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+[House Hearing, 109 Congress]
+[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office]
+
+
+ 
+                           FUTURE MARKETS FOR
+                            COMMERCIAL SPACE
+
+=======================================================================
+
+                                HEARING
+
+                               BEFORE THE
+
+                 SUBCOMMITTEE ON SPACE AND AERONAUTICS
+
+                          COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE
+                        HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
+
+                       ONE HUNDRED NINTH CONGRESS
+
+                             FIRST SESSION
+
+                               __________
+
+                             APRIL 20, 2005
+
+                               __________
+
+                           Serial No. 109-10
+
+                               __________
+
+            Printed for the use of the Committee on Science
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+                          COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE
+
+             HON. SHERWOOD L. BOEHLERT, New York, Chairman
+RALPH M. HALL, Texas                 BART GORDON, Tennessee
+LAMAR S. SMITH, Texas                JERRY F. COSTELLO, Illinois
+CURT WELDON, Pennsylvania            EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas
+DANA ROHRABACHER, California         LYNN C. WOOLSEY, California
+KEN CALVERT, California              DARLENE HOOLEY, Oregon
+ROSCOE G. BARTLETT, Maryland         MARK UDALL, Colorado
+VERNON J. EHLERS, Michigan           DAVID WU, Oregon
+GIL GUTKNECHT, Minnesota             MICHAEL M. HONDA, California
+FRANK D. LUCAS, Oklahoma             BRAD MILLER, North Carolina
+JUDY BIGGERT, Illinois               LINCOLN DAVIS, Tennessee
+WAYNE T. GILCHREST, Maryland         RUSS CARNAHAN, Missouri
+W. TODD AKIN, Missouri               DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois
+TIMOTHY V. JOHNSON, Illinois         SHEILA JACKSON LEE, Texas
+J. RANDY FORBES, Virginia            BRAD SHERMAN, California
+JO BONNER, Alabama                   BRIAN BAIRD, Washington
+TOM FEENEY, Florida                  JIM MATHESON, Utah
+BOB INGLIS, South Carolina           JIM COSTA, California
+DAVE G. REICHERT, Washington         AL GREEN, Texas
+MICHAEL E. SODREL, Indiana           CHARLIE MELANCON, Louisiana
+JOHN J.H. ``JOE'' SCHWARZ, Michigan  VACANCY
+MICHAEL T. MCCAUL, Texas
+VACANCY
+VACANCY
+                                 ------                                
+
+                 Subcommittee on Space and Aeronautics
+
+                   KEN CALVERT, California, Chairman
+RALPH M. HALL, Texas                 MARK UDALL, Colorado
+LAMAR S. SMITH, Texas                DAVID WU, Oregon
+DANA ROHRABACHER, California         MICHAEL M. HONDA, California
+ROSCOE G. BARTLETT, Maryland         BRAD MILLER, North Carolina
+FRANK D. LUCAS, Oklahoma             SHEILA JACKSON LEE, Texas
+J. RANDY FORBES, Virginia            BRAD SHERMAN, California
+JO BONNER, Alabama                   JIM COSTA, California
+TOM FEENEY, Florida                  AL GREEN, Texas
+MICHAEL T. MCCAUL, Texas             CHARLIE MELANCON, Louisiana
+VACANCY                                  
+SHERWOOD L. BOEHLERT, New York       BART GORDON, Tennessee
+                BILL ADKINS Subcommittee Staff Director
+                 ED FEDDEMAN Professional Staff Member
+                  KEN MONROE Professional Staff Member
+                 CHRIS SHANK Professional Staff Member
+               ROSELEE ROBERTS Professional Staff Member
+         RICHARD OBERMANN Democratic Professional Staff Member
+                      TOM HAMMOND Staff Assistant
+
+
+                            C O N T E N T S
+
+                             April 20, 2005
+
+                                                                   Page
+Witness List.....................................................     2
+
+Hearing Charter..................................................     3
+
+                           Opening Statements
+
+Statement by Representative Ken Calvert, Chairman, Subcommittee 
+  on Space and Aeronautics, Committee on Science, U.S. House of 
+  Representatives................................................     9
+    Written Statement............................................    10
+
+Statement by Representative Mark Udall, Ranking Minority Member, 
+  Subcommittee on Space and Aeronautics, Committee on Science, 
+  U.S. House of Representatives..................................    10
+    Written Statement............................................    11
+
+Prepared Statement by Representative Sheila Jackson Lee, Member, 
+  Committee on Science, U.S. House of Representatives............    12
+
+                                Panel I:
+
+Mr. Burt Rutan, Scaled Composites, LLC
+    Oral Statement...............................................    13
+    Written Statement............................................    17
+    Biography....................................................    22
+
+Mr. Will Whitehorn, President, Virgin Galactic
+    Oral Statement...............................................    23
+    Written Statement............................................    26
+    Biography....................................................    28
+
+Discussion
+  5-10 Year Commercial Space Industry Outlook....................    29
+  Regulatory and Approval Process................................    30
+  Similarities to Airlines.......................................    31
+  Export Controls and Tech Transfer..............................    33
+  Economics of Commercial Space..................................    35
+  Safety Concerns................................................    37
+  Return-to-Flight...............................................    39
+  NASA Aeronautics...............................................    40
+
+                               Panel II:
+
+Mr. Elon Musk, Chairman and CEO, Space Exploration Technologies 
+  (SpaceX)
+    Oral Statement...............................................    44
+    Written Statement............................................    46
+    Biography....................................................    47
+
+Mr. John W. Vinter, Chairman, International Space Brokers
+    Oral Statement...............................................    47
+    Written Statement............................................    49
+    Biography....................................................    51
+
+Mr. Wolfgang H. Demisch, President, Demisch Associates, LLC
+    Oral Statement...............................................    51
+    Written Statement............................................    54
+    Biography....................................................    55
+
+Dr. Molly K. Macauley, Senior Fellow and Director, Academic 
+  Programs, Resources for the Future
+    Oral Statement...............................................    56
+    Written Statement............................................    58
+    Biography....................................................    64
+
+Discussion
+  Cost of Access to Space........................................    64
+  Emerging Space-based Markets...................................    68
+
+             Appendix 1: Answers to Post-Hearing Questions
+
+Mr. Burt Rutan, Scaled Composites, LLC...........................    72
+
+Mr. Will Whitehorn, President, Virgin Galactic...................    77
+
+Mr. John W. Vinter, Chairman, International Space Brokers........    78
+
+Mr. Wolfgang H. Demisch, President, Demisch Associates, LLC......    80
+
+Dr. Molly K. Macauley, Senior Fellow and Director, Academic 
+  Programs, Resources for the Future.............................    81
+
+             Appendix 2: Additional Material for the Record
+
+Statement of Herbert F. Satterlee, III, Chairman and Chief 
+  Executive Officer, DigitalGlobe, Inc...........................    84
+
+Statement of Peter H. Diamandis, President and CEO, X Prize 
+  Foundation.....................................................    90
+
+
+                  FUTURE MARKETS FOR COMMERCIAL SPACE
+
+                              ----------                              
+
+
+                       WEDNESDAY, APRIL 20, 2005
+
+                  House of Representatives,
+             Subcommittee on Space and Aeronautics,
+                                      Committee on Science,
+                                                    Washington, DC.
+
+    The Subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 9:35 a.m., in 
+Room 2318 of the Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Ken 
+Calvert [Chairman of the Subcommittee] presiding.
+
+
+
+                            hearing charter
+
+                 SUBCOMMITTEE ON SPACE AND AERONAUTICS
+
+                          COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE
+
+                     U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
+
+                           Future Markets for
+
+                            Commercial Space
+
+                       wednesday, april 20, 2005
+                          9:30 a.m.-12:00 p.m.
+                   2318 rayburn house office building
+
+Purpose
+
+    On Wednesday, April 20, at 9:30 a.m., the Subcommittee on Space and 
+Aeronautics will hold a hearing to examine the future of the commercial 
+space market and the government's role in that future. Last year, the 
+President signed into law the Science Committee's Commercial Space 
+Launch Amendments Act, which dealt with regulating one aspect of 
+commercial space--private, human sub-orbital flights, which are 
+generally intended for space tourism.
+    The first panel at the hearing will examine the potential for space 
+tourism, with a focus on last year's successful flights by 
+SpaceShipOne, the world's first privately-built and human-piloted 
+spacecraft.
+    Built by famed aircraft developer Burt Rutan, SpaceShipOne last 
+year won the Ansari X-Prize, a $10 million kitty raised by space 
+enthusiasts to stimulate entrepreneurial interest in space flight. 
+Rutan's ship was the first to fly to an altitude of more than 100 
+kilometers twice in two weeks, beating 25 other teams from seven 
+countries.
+    Virgin Galactic, founded by the Virgin entertainment and airline 
+company owner Richard Branson, has announced plans to buy a fleet of 
+spacecraft based on SpaceShipOne's design to carry tourists into sub-
+orbital space (an altitude not sufficient to orbit the Earth), possibly 
+as early as 2008.
+    The second panel will examine the potential of the wider commercial 
+space market, which includes rockets to launch satellites and the 
+satellites themselves, which provide services ranging from beaming 
+images of landscapes and weather patterns, to global communications and 
+entertainment. The commercial space market has had a spotty record of 
+success. The government is very involved in the commercial space market 
+in a variety of ways, including providing permits for launches and 
+insuring private parties against catastrophic accidents. Perhaps most 
+significantly, the government is a leading purchaser of both satellites 
+and launch services.
+    Another potential aspect of the commercial market--private 
+provision of services for the National Aeronautics and Space 
+Administration (NASA) to service the International Space Station--will 
+not be a focus of this hearing.
+
+Witnesses:
+
+FIRST PANEL:
+
+Mr. Burt Rutan founded his company Scaled Composites, Inc. in 1982. For 
+SpaceShipOne's achievements, Mr. Rutan this month received the Collier 
+Aerospace Trophy, the most prestigious prize in aeronautics.
+
+Mr. Will Whitehorn is the President of Virgin Galactic and Group 
+Corporate Affairs and Brand Development Director for Virgin Management 
+Limited.
+
+SECOND PANEL:
+
+Mr. Elon Musk is the CEO and Chief Technology Officer of Space 
+Exploration Technologies (SpaceX) in El Segundo, CA. He formerly 
+founded two Internet companies, PayPal and Zip2 Corporation.
+
+Mr. John W. Vinter is Chairman of the International Space Brokers 
+(ISB). ISB represents nine of the twenty satellite companies in the 
+world and is the only insurance broker that is focused exclusively on 
+the space industry.
+
+Mr. Wolfgang Demisch, the founder of Demisch Associates, LLC, is an 
+aerospace financial analyst.
+
+Dr. Molly Macauley is a Senior Fellow and Director of Academic Programs 
+at the Resources For the Future.
+
+Overarching Questions:
+
+    The Committee will focus on the following questions at the hearing:
+
+        1.  What is the outlook for the various aspects of the 
+        commercial space industry over the next five to ten years?
+
+        2.  What should the government do or not do to encourage the 
+        nascent commercial space industry?
+
+        3.  How can the commercial space industry avoid some of the 
+        pitfalls that have led to unrealized expectations in the past?
+
+Background:
+
+The Rise of Commercial Space Industry and the Role of Legislation
+    From the dawn of the space age through much of the 1980s, 
+governments dominated efforts in space. Governments financed and owned 
+most satellites, which were launched on government-owned vehicles, 
+including the Space Shuttle.
+    The Challenger accident in 1986, however, helped spur private 
+sector ownership of both satellites and launch vehicles. After the 
+Challenger accident, for example, government agencies, particularly the 
+Department of Defense, viewed the Space Shuttle as too risky to be the 
+sole launch vehicle for U.S. Government payloads and began looking for 
+alternatives.
+    The Science Committee passed the Commercial Space Launch Act (CSLA) 
+of 1988, which required NASA to purchase launch services for satellites 
+from private companies rather than purchasing the launch vehicle 
+itself. The CSLA ensured a market for the nascent launch industry by 
+requiring the government to be a customer.
+    The CSLA also provided another element intended to foster the 
+success of the new industry--indemnification against catastrophic 
+accidents. Because a single launch failure had the potential of causing 
+billions of dollars of damage should the debris fall on populated 
+areas, the private sector argued that no private insurance company 
+would offer coverage to a satellite company or launch provider unless 
+the government agreed to indemnify (that is, pay for) at least a 
+portion of the potential damages.
+    The CSLA indemnifies companies for catastrophic losses--losses 
+above the amount of damages that private insurers calculate to be the 
+maximum probable loss (for which private insurers themselves provide 
+coverage) to a ceiling of $1.5 billion. While there is debate over 
+whether indemnification is necessary as the satellite launch industry 
+matures, Congress last year, led by the Science Committee, extended the 
+indemnification provisions of the CSLA through December 31, 2009.
+    The CSLA also established a permitting process within the Office of 
+Commercial Space Transportation (known as AST), now housed within the 
+Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), for all private commercial 
+launches.
+    Last year, as SpaceShipOne became the first privately funded, 
+developed, and operated spacecraft to carry a person into sub-orbital 
+space, the Science Committee passed legislation designed to foster a 
+commercial space tourism industry. The Commercial Space Launch 
+Amendments Act of 2004 gave AST explicit authority to permit launches 
+with humans on board and provided guidance on how to use that 
+authority. One key provision created a new kind of permit that would 
+facilitate flights by experimental vehicles, modeled on the regime 
+another part of FAA uses to regulate airplanes. (That part of FAA is 
+known as AVR.) Another key provision limited the extent to which AST 
+could regulate passenger safety in the near-term. (A summary of the Act 
+is attached.)
+The Challenges Faced by Commercial Space Industries
+    Commercial space industries today include communication satellite 
+developers (including radio, television, and telecommunications), 
+launch service providers (whose customers include the government), 
+satellite imagery companies, and perhaps soon, space tourism companies 
+like Virgin Galactic and companies servicing the International Space 
+Station.
+    One of the first challenges these companies face is securing 
+financing. Space assets are expensive, and launching into space is 
+fraught with risk. One or two launch failures can drive a company into 
+bankruptcy. Finding investors is thus very difficult for new entrants 
+in the space business, who frequently must court risk-seeking, ``angel 
+investors'' rather than relying on more established financing firms.
+    Space industries must also secure insurance. But there are limits 
+to the private pool of insurance available, which can pose a challenge 
+to newcomers to the space business, who necessarily lack a track record 
+to demonstrate their reliability to insurers. Moreover, costly failures 
+in one portion of the space industry can affect the availability of 
+insurance for the rest.
+    Perhaps the greatest challenge commercial space industries face is 
+capturing a market large enough to sustain them. Unfortunately, their 
+history of success in doing so has been spotty. The commercial 
+satellite imagery or remote sensing industry has failed to develop as 
+originally expected. But satellite radio seems to be gaining in 
+popularity despite the abundance of free competition on more 
+traditional airwaves.
+    Still, markets can be elusive. For example, optimism for 
+communications satellite manufacturers ran high in the 1990s when 
+markets opened in China and the former Soviet states, where there was 
+little permanent communications infrastructure. Three U.S. companies 
+raced to take advantage of the seemingly boundless opportunities. 
+Iridium, a Motorola spinoff based in Chicago, was the first company in 
+the race. It launched 66 communications satellites into orbit. Next was 
+Globalstar, which had planned to launch 48 satellites.
+    But the ground-based cell phone industry was quicker. Its 
+penetration into the former Soviet and Chinese markets soon rendered 
+Iridium's and Globalstar's investments practically useless. Iridum's 
+assets were ultimately sold to a group of private investors, which 
+continue to own and operate Iridium today. (The Department of Defense 
+continued to use Iridium throughout the change in ownership.) A third 
+company, Teldesic, had planned to launch 288 satellites, but could not 
+attract enough investors after the failure of Iridium and Globalstar.
+    As satellite producers saw their fortunes fade so did those 
+companies who had hoped to put those satellites into orbit. Lockheed 
+Martin and McDonnell Douglas had earlier invested large sums, aided by 
+the government, to develop a new generation of launch vehicles. Boeing 
+launches Sea Launch and the Delta series of rockets (obtained when 
+Boeing took over McDonnell Douglas), and Lockheed launches the Atlas 
+series of rockets. The Europeans have a competing Ariane rocket.
+    Unlike the Space Shuttle, these rockets are used only once, so they 
+are known as Expendable Launch Vehicles (ELVs). The most advanced of 
+the Atlas and Delta class vehicles, developed with the U.S. Air Force, 
+are known as Evolved Expendable Launch Vehicles (EELVs). Elon Musk is 
+developing a series of rockets dubbed Falcon, which he believes will 
+launch at a significantly lower cost.
+    With the decline of the satellite industry, the rocket 
+manufacturers were left with too few customers to easily recoup their 
+costs. That has raised the cost of launches to the government. The 
+recently released White House Space Transportation Policy is designed 
+to find a way to provide enough business to keep two competing U.S. 
+entities in the launch market. NASA's pending decisions on how to 
+launch its scientific satellites and on how to launch the planned Crew 
+Exploration Vehicle would affect the market.
+SpaceShipOne
+    Burt Rutan's SpaceShipOne is an effort to open a new aspect of the 
+commercial space market--space tourism. Rutan had to complete two 
+consecutive successful flights to earn the X-Prize. Those flights were 
+not trouble-free. The vehicle rolled 29 times during the first flight; 
+the vehicle shook but had only a ``little roll'' during the second 
+flight, according to the pilot. No one was injured in either case.
+
+Questions Asked of the Witnesses:
+
+    In their letters of invitation, the witnesses were asked to address 
+the following questions in their testimony:
+Mr. Burt Rutan:
+
+        1.  What is the future of your commercial SpaceShipOne program 
+        and do you see other customers beyond Virgin Galactic?
+
+        2.  What should the government do or not do to encourage 
+        commercial space endeavors?
+
+        3.  If you develop other vehicles, where would you expect to 
+        find investors? Do you think the traditional investors of Wall 
+        Street are likely to step forward?
+
+        4.  As you move into the commercial world, how do you expect to 
+        be able to get insurance coverage?
+
+Mr. Will Whitehorn:
+
+        1.  When does Virgin Galactic plan to take ownership of the 
+        five SpaceShipTwos that it has ordered from Scaled Composites? 
+        How soon do you expect to be flying? When do you expect to make 
+        a profit?
+
+        2.  What is different in preparing to take ownership of a fleet 
+        of spaceships vs. Virgin Atlantic taking ownership of a fleet 
+        of airplanes?
+
+        3.  What preparation are you engaged in for the commercial use 
+        of these vehicles?
+
+        4.  What, if anything, should the government be doing or not 
+        doing to encourage commercial space?
+
+Mr. Elon Musk:
+
+        1.  What business plan do you have to make your launch vehicle 
+        a success in the commercial market?
+
+        2.  What do you see as the outlook for commercial space 
+        activities in the next five years? The next ten years?
+
+        3.  What, if anything, should the government do or not do to 
+        encourage the nascent commercial space industry?
+
+        4.  Are there implications for the commercial space industry as 
+        you see it in the President's announced Vision for Space 
+        Exploration?
+
+Mr. John H. Vinter:
+
+        1.  What kind of activities does your company include for 
+        insurance purposes in its definition of ``commercial space?''
+
+        2.  As insurance brokers, what do you see as the outlook for 
+        commercial space activities in the next five years? The next 
+        ten years? How do you think we can avoid exaggerated 
+        expectations for the industry, such as those that occurred in 
+        the low-Earth orbit (LEO) market in the late 1990s?
+
+        3.  What, if anything, should the government do or not do to 
+        encourage commercial space endeavors?
+
+Mr. Wolfgang Demisch:
+
+        1.  Considering some of the difficulties in the past for 
+        commercial space business, (the low-Earth orbit launches 
+        anticipated for Iridium, Teledesic, etc.) and the slow growth 
+        of the commercial remote sensing industry, what is your outlook 
+        for this nascent commercial space launch business and how do we 
+        avoid the failures of the past?
+
+        2.  In the entrepreneurial commercial space arena, when would 
+        you expect traditional Wall Street investors to become classic 
+        ``risk-reward'' investors, in place of the ``angel'' investors 
+        that we see today?
+
+        3.  What, if anything, should the government do or not do to 
+        encourage commercial space endeavors?
+
+Dr. Molly Macauley:
+
+        1.  What kinds of activities would you include in ``commercial 
+        space?''
+
+        2.  Is the U.S. the leader in ``commercial space?'' How does it 
+        compare with the status of international commercial space?
+
+        3.  What do you think the government should do or not do to 
+        encourage commercial space?
+
+        4.  What do you see as the outlook for commercial space 
+        activities in the next five years? The next ten years?
+
+APPENDIX
+
+             Commercial Space Launch Amendments Act of 2004
+
+    H.R. 5382, the Commercial Space Launch Amendments Act of 2004, is 
+designed to promote the development of the emerging commercial human 
+space flight industry by putting in place a clear, balanced regulatory 
+regime.
+    The Act assigns to the Secretary of Transportation jurisdiction 
+over commercial human space flight and requires the Secretary to craft 
+a streamlined experimental certification process for sub-orbital 
+reusable launch vehicles. The Secretary of Transportation must ensure 
+that only one license or permit is required to conduct human space 
+flights. By its licensing or permitting of flights, the United States 
+does not certify the safety of the flights for passengers or crew.
+    The Act requires the Secretary of Transportation to protect the 
+uninvolved public when licensing commercial human space flights. The 
+Act also requires that crew receive training and satisfy medical 
+standards. Space flight participants must undergo appropriate medical 
+exams and training requirements, and must provide written informed 
+consent for their participation. For the first eight years after 
+enactment of the legislation, the Secretary of Transportation may issue 
+regulations governing the design or operation of a launch vehicle only 
+if the design or operation has indicated likely safety problems through 
+operational experience.
+    The Act extends the existing liability indemnification regime to 
+the commercial human space flight industry, but excludes launches under 
+an experimental permit.
+
+                         SUMMARY OF H.R. 5382,
+
+             Commercial Space Launch Amendments Act of 2004
+
+    Introduced by Mr. Rohrabacher (CA) and co-sponsored by Mr. Boehlert 
+(NY) and Mr. Gordon (TN)
+    Key features of the Act include:
+
+          The Act will make it easier to launch new types of 
+        reusable sub-orbital rockets by allowing the Secretary of 
+        Transportation to issue experimental permits that can be 
+        granted more quickly and with fewer requirements than licenses;
+
+          Under the Act, permits will allow an unlimited number 
+        of experimental flights, rather than requiring a license for a 
+        single launch or small number of launches;
+
+          The Secretary of Transportation must ensure that only 
+        one license or permit is required to conduct human space 
+        flights;
+
+          The Act will require the Secretary of Transportation 
+        to issue regulations for crews relating to training and medical 
+        condition;
+
+          The Act will limit requirements for paying passengers 
+        (or ``space flight participants'') a medical exam, training, 
+        and to being informed of the risks of their participation and 
+        providing written, informed consent;
+
+          By its licensing or permitting of flights, the United 
+        States does not certify the safety of the flights for 
+        passengers or crew;
+
+          For the first eight years after enactment of the 
+        legislation, the Secretary of Transportation may only issue 
+        regulations governing the design or operation of a launch 
+        vehicle if the design or operation has indicated likely safety 
+        problems through operational experience;
+
+          The Act will require paying passengers to execute 
+        waivers of liability with the Federal Government; and
+
+          The Act will extend the existing liability 
+        indemnification regime to commercial human space flight 
+        launches, but the bill will not grant indemnification for 
+        flights conducted under experimental permits, which will be 
+        more lightly regulated.
+    Chairman Calvert. Good morning.
+    Pursuant to notice, I hereby call this meeting of the Space 
+and Aeronautics Subcommittee to order.
+    Without objection, the Chair will be granted authority to 
+recess the Committee at any time. Hearing no objections, so 
+ordered.
+    Today, we are going to examine the future of the commercial 
+space market. We are going to have two panels. The first will 
+examine the success of the world's launch, the hopes of our 
+nascent commercial space industry that led to a robust market 
+for space tourism.
+    Burt Rutan's SpaceShipOne is a manned, reusable launch 
+vehicle that has successfully flown twice in two weeks carrying 
+the equivalent of three people. His team won the X-Prize in 
+October, and last night, his team was awarded the 2005 Collier 
+Trophy, congratulations, which recognizes those who have made 
+the most significant achievement in the advancement of 
+aviation.
+    Joining him will be Will Whitehorn, President of Virgin 
+Atlantic. Virgin Atlantic will be buying the first fleet of 
+five of a derivative of these spaceships that takes space 
+tourists into sub-orbital space.
+    On the second panel, we have Mr. Elon Musk, the CEO of 
+Space Exploration Technologies, or SpaceX. I was most impressed 
+with the work his folks are doing when I was touring his 
+facility in El Segundo. His company is developing a new family 
+of launch vehicles, the Falcon. He will offer his insights on 
+the business plan and how he intends to emerge as a success in 
+this commercial space business.
+    Also, on this panel will be Mr. John Vinter, the Chairman 
+of International Space Brokers. He will offer guidelines that 
+the insurance community requires for those start-up companies 
+and how they must compete with the established aerospace 
+companies for insurance coverage.
+    Our third panelist is Mr. Wolfgang Demisch, a pre-eminent 
+expert and financial analyst in the aerospace industry.
+    And finally on this panel, we will have Dr. Molly Macauley, 
+a Senior Fellow and Director of Academic Programs at the 
+Resources for the Future. Dr. Macauley will examine what the 
+government should do or not do to encourage this start-up 
+commercial space industry. She will give her predictions on how 
+the industry will look in five to 10 years.
+    The history of success in the commercial space arena has 
+been spotty at best. Today, I want to see how the government 
+can be an enabler rather than a hindrance to this important, 
+high technology industry. I am proud of the bill that this 
+committee was able to get enacted last year, the Commercial 
+Space Launch Amendments Act, which Congressman Rohrabacher 
+worked very hard to get passed. This committee has had a 
+history of interest in the commercial space industry, and I 
+plan to continue that interest. I am hoping that we will glean 
+information today that will be valuable as we put together our 
+NASA authorization in the very near future.
+    I look forward to working with the new Administration, Mike 
+Griffin, on this objective. I look forward to hearing from our 
+witnesses today on this very important topic.
+    [The prepared statement of Chairman Calvert follows:]
+
+               Prepared Statement of Chairman Ken Calvert
+
+    In today's hearing, we are going to examine the future of the 
+commercial space market. We are going to have two panels. The first 
+will examine the success of the world's first private effort to launch 
+a person into space and to launch the hopes of our nascent commercial 
+space industry that may lead to a robust market for space tourism.
+    Burt Rutan's SpaceShipOne is a manned, reusable launch vehicle that 
+has successfully flown twice in two weeks carrying the equivalent of 
+three people. Last October his team won the privately-funded $10 
+million X-Prize for the development of the first private, manned 
+spacecraft to exceed an altitude of 100 km twice in two weeks, and last 
+night, the team was awarded the 2005 Collier Trophy, an annual award 
+that recognizes those that have made the most significant achievement 
+in the advancement of aviation.
+    Joining Mr. Rutan on this first panel will be Mr. Will Whitehorn, 
+President of Virgin Galactic. Virgin Galactic will be buying the 
+inaugural ``fleet'' of up to five of the derivative vehicles of 
+SpaceShipOne, named SpaceShipTwo. We are very interested in hearing 
+when Virgin Galactic plans to take ownership and when they expect to be 
+flying tourists into sub-orbital space.
+    On the second panel, we have Mr. Elon Musk, CEO of Space 
+Exploration Technologies or SpaceX. I was most impressed with the work 
+that his folks were doing when I toured his facility recently in El 
+Segundo, CA. His company is developing a new family of launch 
+vehicles--the Falcon. He will offer his insights on his business plan 
+and how he intends to emerge as a success in this commercial space 
+business.
+    Also, on the panel will be Mr. John Vinter, the Chairman of 
+International Space Brokers. He will offer guidelines that the 
+insurance community requires for those start-up companies and how they 
+must compete with the established aerospace companies for insurance 
+coverage.
+    Our third panelist is Mr. Wolfgang Demisch, a preeminent expert and 
+financial analyst of the aerospace industry. He will address the 
+outlook for the commercial space launch industry as well as outline 
+when space is likely to be able to attract classic risk-reward 
+investors to succeed the ``angel'' investors that we see today.
+    And finally, Dr. Molly Macauley, Senior Fellow and Director of 
+Academic Programs at Resources for the Future, will examine what the 
+government should do or not do to encourage this start-up commercial 
+space industry. She will also give her predictions on how the industry 
+will look in five and ten years.
+    The history of success in the commercial space arena has been 
+spotty at best. Today, I want to see how the government can be an 
+enabler, rather than a hindrance to this important, high tech industry. 
+This committee has had a history of interest in the commercial space 
+industry and I plan to continue to promote commercial space. I am 
+hoping that we will glean information today that will be valuable as we 
+put together our NASA Authorization in the very near future. I look 
+forward to working with the new NASA Administrator on this objective.
+
+    Chairman Calvert. And with that, good morning, Mr. Udall. 
+You may proceed with your opening statement.
+    Mr. Udall. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
+    And good morning to all of us and all of you that are 
+assembled here.
+    I want to welcome the witnesses as well, and particularly 
+extend my congratulations, as did Mr. Calvert, to Mr. Rutan and 
+his team on winning the Collier Trophy for their efforts on 
+SpaceShipOne. This is a very prestigious and well-deserved 
+award, and it puts Mr. Rutan in distinguished company, 
+including Orville Wright, the crew of Apollo 11 lunar mission, 
+and of course Mr. Rutan himself, because I just recently 
+learned that you won the award back in 1986 as well. So 
+congratulations. These are impressive accomplishments, and I 
+think I speak for all of us when I say we consider you a real 
+national asset. And we all hope you keep working and designing 
+for many years yet to come.
+    Mr. Chairman, as you know, Congress, and this committee in 
+particular, has long had a strong interest in promoting the 
+growth of a healthy, robust commercial space sector.
+    Over the years, there have been some notable successes, 
+such as the development of the Nation's commercial satellite 
+communications industry.
+    There have also been some setbacks.
+    For example, the very optimistic projections made in the 
+1980's for the emergence of manufacturing in space, solar power 
+satellites, and so forth, have not been realized.
+    And finally, there are the commercial space transportation 
+and commercial satellite remote sensing industries. These are 
+industries in which there has been growth over the years as 
+well as the promise of exciting new applications and markets on 
+the horizon.
+    At the same time, the current reality is that both of these 
+industries depend significantly on government contracts to 
+maintain their viability.
+    While the primary focus of today's hearing is on emerging 
+commercial space transportation initiatives, I hope that the 
+witnesses will share their thoughts on the broader issues 
+facing all commercial space companies, whether they be 
+entrepreneurial start-ups or established companies fighting for 
+market share.
+    The question, for example, of what helps determine whether 
+a potential commercial space activity succeeds or fails, and 
+what should government be doing, as the Chairman mentioned, and 
+equally important, what should government refrain from doing if 
+it wants to promote a healthy commercial space sector.
+    In that regard, I have received some written testimony 
+submitted by one of the commercial remote sensing companies, 
+DigitalGlobe, that addresses some of those broader issues. Mr. 
+Chairman, I would ask unanimous consent that it be entered into 
+the record of this hearing. (See Appendix 2: Additional 
+Material for the Record, p. 84.)
+    Chairman Calvert. Without objection, so ordered.
+    Mr. Udall. And I want to thank you for convening this 
+hearing, and I look forward to hearing from the witnesses 
+today.
+    Thank you.
+    [The prepared statement of Mr. Udall follows:]
+
+            Prepared Statement of Representative Mark Udall
+
+    Good morning. I want to join the Chairman in welcoming the 
+witnesses to today's hearing. And I would also like to extend my 
+congratulations to Mr. Rutan and his team on winning the Collier Trophy 
+for their efforts on Spaceship One.
+    Mr. Rutan, that is a very prestigious and well deserved award, and 
+it puts you in very distinguished company, including Orville Wright, 
+the crew of the Apollo 11 lunar mission. . .and of course Burt Rutan. . 
+.because as I recently learned, you had already won the Collier trophy 
+for the first time back in 1986.
+    That's a very impressive accomplishment, and I consider you a real 
+national asset--I hope you keep working and designing for many years to 
+come.
+    Mr. Chairman, as you know, Congress--and this committee in 
+particular--has long had a strong interest in promoting the growth of a 
+healthy, robust commercial space sector.
+    Over the years, there have been some notable successes, such as the 
+development of Nation's commercial satellite communications industry.
+    There have also been some setbacks.
+    For example, the very optimistic projections made in the 1980s for 
+the emergence of manufacturing in space, solar power satellites, and so 
+forth, have not been realized.
+    And finally, there are the commercial space transportation and 
+commercial satellite remote sensing industries.
+    Those are industries in which there has been growth over the years, 
+as well as the promise of exciting new applications and markets on the 
+horizon.
+    At the same time, the current reality is that both of these 
+industries depend significantly on government contracts to maintain 
+their viability. . .
+    While the primary focus of today's hearing is on emerging 
+commercial space transportation initiatives, I hope that the witnesses 
+will share their thoughts on the broader issues facing all commercial 
+space companies--whether they be entrepreneurial startups or 
+established companies fighting for market share.
+    That is, what helps determine whether a potential commercial space 
+activity succeeds or fails? What should government be doing--and 
+equally importantly--what should government refrain from doing if it 
+wants to promote a healthy commercial space sector?
+    In that regard, I have received some written testimony submitted by 
+one of commercial remote sensing companies--DigitalGlobe--that 
+addresses some of those broader issues.
+    I would like to ask unanimous consent that it be entered into the 
+record of this hearing. Well, Mr. Chairman, we have a wide range of 
+issues to consider, and I look forward to getting the perspectives of 
+today's witnesses. Thank you, and I yield back the balance of my time.
+
+    Chairman Calvert. I thank the gentleman.
+    And we are joined by Mr. Rohrabacher, the former Chairman 
+of this subcommittee. Do you have any short comment? I would 
+comment that what he is drinking there, ladies and gentlemen, 
+is the energy drink. It is----
+    Mr. Rohrabacher. This is not beer.
+    I figured that your leadership, Mr. Chairman, would 
+energize me, but just in case, I brought Red Bull.
+    Chairman Calvert. Well, it is appropriate that--at this 
+hearing that you have wings. So----
+    Mr. Rohrabacher. All right.
+    Chairman Calvert. Without objection, the additional 
+statements of other Members will be put in the written record 
+so we can get right to the testimony.
+    Hearing no objection, so ordered.
+    [The prepared statement of Ms. Jackson Lee follows:]
+        Prepared Statement of Representative Sheila Jackson Lee
+
+Chairman Calvert, Ranking Member Udall,
+
+    I want to thank you for organizing this important Subcommittee 
+hearing to discuss the Future Markets for Commercial Space. This is one 
+of those topics where we realize the future we only read about is not 
+too far from reality. Commercial space encompasses a number of 
+different issues, some which are still be developed and others that 
+have been an integral part of our lives for quite a while now. The only 
+way to advance our prospects in this field is to invest in R&D and put 
+our knowledge and skills to use for improving the lives of people.
+    Space tourism is a subject that seems like science fiction, but in 
+fact that fiction is now close to being reality. SpaceShipOne, the 
+world's first privately-built and human-piloted spacecraft built by 
+Burt Rutan shows that individuals can indeed take part in space 
+exploration. Rutan's ship was the first to fly to an altitude of more 
+than 100 kilometers, completing the feat twice in two weeks. Now, 
+Virgin Galactic has announced plans to buy a fleet of spacecraft based 
+on SpaceShipOne's design to carry tourists into sub-orbital space. 
+Clearly, the future is upon us, but realistically it will be many years 
+before regular flights into space for individuals will be possible. 
+Before we get to that stage, it is vital that we discuss all aspects of 
+what this kind of space exploration will entail.
+    First among our priorities must be the issue of safety for those 
+who would take part in such flights to space. In discussing NASA I have 
+long said that safety must be the first priority, now with the prospect 
+of average citizens being propelled into space the issue of safety is 
+even more paramount. I would suggest that a separate commission be 
+organized to discuss the safety parameters that would need to be in 
+place to make it feasible for average citizens to enter space. Clearly, 
+as time goes on so will the technology that will steadily allow people 
+to gain even greater access to space exploration than is being proposed 
+by Virgin Galactic. In accordance, guidelines and regulations must be 
+put in place to meet the risks associated with such travel. We may be 
+entering a new era in individual travel, but just like the passenger 
+airplane before it we must ensure the safety of all passengers.
+    In regards to space tourism, it is also my belief that such travel 
+should not be restricted to only the wealthy. Clearly, these businesses 
+make large investments to startup such a complex operation and 
+therefore huge fees must be generated to make up the costs. However, 
+those who have a passion for space exploration; especially students 
+should at least have a chance to experience space exploration. Of 
+course, this could not be open to everyone, but even allowing a few 
+individuals with lower means but high motivation to take part would be 
+a wise investment. I believe in the long run this will be good for 
+business and good for the science of space exploration because it will 
+only increase the general public's interest in space. We must inspire a 
+new generation to want to literally reach the stars, and with our new 
+generation of technology this dream is more possible.
+    Commercial space has long yielded great dividends in the technology 
+of satellites. In today's world we would be lost and confused without 
+the aid of these stations in space. However, new technology must emerge 
+and the ability for more businesses to use satellite technology must be 
+enhanced. Lowering the cost of producing and launching commercial 
+satellites would go a long way in bringing new business and therefore 
+new revenue streams in to the fold. Together with space tourism, the 
+future of commercial space is bright, but we can not relent in our 
+pursuit of continued development. Only when we continue to push the 
+boundaries of discovery do we yield innovations that affect the lives 
+of everyday people.
+
+    Chairman Calvert. I ask unanimous consent to insert, at the 
+appropriate place in the record, the background memorandum 
+prepared by the majority staff for this hearing.
+    Hearing no objections, so ordered.
+    Today, we will begin with our first panel: Mr. Rutan and 
+Mr. Whitehorn.
+    Mr. Rutan, thank you for attending, and you may begin. You 
+might--turn your mike on there. That little green button.
+
+                                Panel I:
+
+      STATEMENT OF MR. BURT RUTAN, SCALED COMPOSITES, LLC
+
+    Mr. Rutan. Okay. Thank you very much for the opportunity to 
+address the hearing.
+    I will attempt to specifically answer the questions that 
+showed up in the invitation.
+    I want to first point out that I will use the words 
+``personal space flight'' here. We tend to use that nowadays 
+instead of ``space tourism.'' And personal space flight is just 
+access to flight above the atmosphere by the public, generally 
+inferred that it is a commercial, revenue-like business.
+    I think the markets for personal space flight will take on 
+two basic scenarios. The first is one in which commercial 
+companies develop lower-cost versions of the classic government 
+booster and spacecraft concepts and then conduct commercial 
+flights that are funded by passenger ticket sales. This 
+activity might properly be compared to trekking outfits that 
+take courageous adventurers to the top of Mount Everest. That 
+activity survives today even though more than nine percent of 
+those who have reached the summit have died on the mountain and 
+with the recent rate still at four percent. The safety record 
+for all of government manned space flight is hardly better; 
+four percent fatality rate for those who have flown above the 
+atmosphere, and the fatality rate for government space flight 
+for the last 20 years has been much worse than it was for the 
+first 20 years.
+    This first scenario's approach will result in, I think, a 
+very limited market whose size will depend somewhat on the 
+ticket prices. However, I do not believe this scenario will 
+result in significant volume of operations, being limited by 
+the same factors that limit the Mount Everest climbers. I 
+believe these systems might begin commercial flight in four to 
+six years, flying maybe 50 to 100 astronauts the first year, 
+and I think the rate will top out at maybe 300 to 500 people 
+per year.
+    The second scenario is quite different. It is a scenario in 
+which the players do not find the dangers of space flight 
+acceptable. They recognize that extensive improvements in 
+safety are more important than extensive improvements in 
+affordability. Those that attack the problem from this 
+viewpoint will be faced with a much greater technical 
+challenge: the need for new innovations and breakthroughs. If 
+successful, however, they will enjoy an enormous market, not 
+one that is limited to servicing only a few courageous 
+adventurers. It is likely that systems that come out of this 
+approach will be more like airplanes and will operate more like 
+airplanes than the historic systems that are used for 
+government manned space flight.
+    The future plans for my company regarding the new industry 
+can not be revealed since they are only at a preliminary stage 
+of technical development. They are not fixed--excuse me.
+    Chairman Calvert. I apologize.
+    Mr. Rutan. No problem.
+    Chairman Calvert. They will go off in a second.
+    Mr. Rutan. They are not fixed in business deals and, in 
+general, the--when we approach these sort of things, we don't 
+talk about them in the early years. So we are not ready to put 
+out, in a public forum, the--any details on our plans. I could 
+share that with you privately, but not publicly.
+    I can assure you, however, that our plans do involve this--
+do not involve the scenario one approach. Since we believe a 
+proper goal for safety is the record that was achieved during 
+the first five years of commercial scheduled airline service 
+started in 1927. The first five years of commercial airline 
+service, while exposing passengers to risks that were high by 
+today's standards, were more than 100 times as safe as 
+government manned space flight. Achieving that goal requires 
+new generic concepts, ones that will come from true research, 
+not development programs like the ones we are seeing with 
+NASA's exploration plans.
+    I can tell you that we do not yet have the breakthroughs 
+that can promise adequate safety and costs for manned orbital 
+flights. That is why our early focus will be on the sub-orbital 
+personal space flight industry. Our recent SpaceShipOne 
+research program did focus on the needs for safety 
+breakthroughs by providing an air-launched operation in which 
+the rocket propulsion is not safety critical and the ``carefree 
+re-entry'' concept assures that flight control is not safety 
+critical for atmospheric entry. Those are biggies, and those 
+are the things that allow us to move into a commercial industry 
+in the short-term.
+    Another thing I can tell you is that our systems for the 
+commercial private space flight industry will be focused on an 
+early marketplace with multiple, competing spaceline operators 
+in order to bring the experience to the largest possible 
+audience. The airline experience has shown us that it is not 
+just technology that provides safety, but the maturity that 
+comes from a high level of flight activity. Airline safety 
+increased by a factor of six within the first five years 
+without an accompanying technology increase.
+    I am not able to reveal the schedule for the introduction 
+of our commercial systems. However, I believe that once revenue 
+business begins with these new systems, it will likely fly as 
+many as 500 astronauts the first year, by the fifth year, the 
+rate will increase to about 3,000 astronauts per year, and by 
+the twelfth year of operations, at least 50,000, maybe 100,000 
+astronauts will have enjoyed that black sky view from sub-
+orbital flight.
+    Now that it has been shown that a small private company can 
+indeed conduct robust, sub-orbital manned flights with an 
+acceptable recurring cost, I do not believe that this industry 
+will again be hampered by the inability to raise capital. The 
+size of the potential market supports significant investment. 
+The main barrier has been the perceived risk that the technical 
+problems weren't solvable. Those that develop systems that have 
+generic features that point to poor safety will continue to 
+have trouble finding capital, as they should. Our ability to 
+find funding for our research program, the one that we 
+completed last year, was certainly tied to the fact that we had 
+a goal of not just to fly in space, but to fly a system that 
+could be immediately developed for the commercial market. We 
+have had no problem finding investors for our future program, a 
+program that involves the development and certification of 
+commercial sub-orbital spaceships.
+    I believe the ability to insure will be greatly improved if 
+the government steps up to the responsibility to require an 
+operator to show his passenger safety by adequate flight and 
+ground testing. Clearly, insurance will be expensive until it 
+is shown that the aggressive safety goals are indeed being 
+achieved. With maturity, that safety will continuously improve, 
+as it did with airliners.
+    Over the last 33 years, my companies have developed 39 
+different manned aircraft types. All were developed via 
+research flight tests flown over our California desert area, 
+and all flights were regulated by the FAA-AVR, which is now--
+the airplane folk are who I am talking about, now AVS. We have 
+never injured a test pilot nor put the non-involved public or 
+their property at risk. In spite of that record, the FAA 
+insisted that the Office of Commercial Space Transportation, 
+AST, impose their commercial launch license process on our last 
+five flights of our 88-flight research-only test program. That 
+would have been fine, except that their process bore no 
+relation to that historically used for research testing.
+    The AST process, focusing only on the non-involved public, 
+just about ruined my program. It resulted in cost overruns. It 
+increased the risk for my test pilots. It did not reduce the 
+risk to the non-involved public. It destroyed our safety policy 
+of always question the product, never defend it. And under AST, 
+it removed the opportunities for us to seek new innovative 
+safety solutions. The main reason for this is that AST, with 
+their history of only regulating the dangerous scenario one 
+type of systems, applied the process of protecting only the 
+non-involved and had no process to deal with the safety and 
+prediction of failure for manned aircraft. Their process deals 
+primarily with the consequence of failure, where the airplane 
+folk, their regulatory process deals with reducing the 
+probability of failure.
+    The regulatory process was grossly misapplied for our 
+research tests, and worse yet is likely to be misapplied for 
+the regulation of future commercial spaceliners. The most 
+dangerous misapplication might be stifling innovation by 
+imposing standards and design guidelines rather than the 
+aircraft certification process that involves requiring a 
+manufacturer to test to show his safety margins. AST has 
+already used NASA and AIAA to develop design guidelines. This 
+is an approach that must not be imposed on an industry that is 
+still doing basic research. The AST launch license process 
+might be applicable for the protection of those on the ground 
+during flights of scenario one-like systems, but it will not 
+work for the portion of the industry that promises growth and 
+sustainability.
+    Time here does not allow me to elaborate on that, but I do 
+have it included in my handout.
+    The basic problem faced by the FAA in dealing with the 
+regulatory tasks ahead is funding for hiring staff that are 
+familiar with aircraft certification and aircraft commercial 
+operations. The FAA Administrator has told me that she is 300 
+people short needed for the current demands in regulating 
+aircraft, thus it is impossible to shift the job of regulation 
+of spacecraft, like mine, to the aircraft organization. I think 
+it needs to be shifted to people who know how to regulate the 
+systems that are being developed.
+    This problem must be solved quickly to support an industry 
+that needs a proper research environment to allow innovation. 
+The problem can not be solved by adding staff at AST, since 
+having more people applying the wrong process is not the 
+answer. I believe they are over-staffed now to do the current 
+launch license process. Much of the work done in an attempt to 
+misapply the expendable booster process to our aircraft was 
+repeated numerous times with a staff that were not equipped to 
+make relatively easy decisions and incapable of applying the 
+needed waiver process. In fact, while my company was already 
+flying initial test flights and waiting for time-critical 
+responses from AST during 2003 and 2004, AST found time to 
+expend extensive resources processing and awarding a launch 
+license to a company that did not even have a vehicle in 
+construction, nor even funding for the program.
+    We have spent considerable resources developing 
+recommendations for specific regulatory processes to be applied 
+to the new industry, that is a streamlined like certification 
+for these new commercial spaceships, but we have not yet found 
+interest within the FAA to consider them. We will continue our 
+work to solve this problem and will hope to make progress 
+within the next two years.
+    I want to point out also, this sub-orbital space tourism 
+industry has been criticized by some as, well, this is just 
+joyrides for billionaires and that--what is this all about? It 
+is about fun. I want to tell this group that I am not at all 
+embarrassed that we are opening up a new industry that will 
+likely be a multi-billion-dollar industry that is focused only 
+on fun. I want to remind you, I--when we bought personal 
+computers in the late '70s, a lot of people--you know, many 
+thousands of people bought these things, and what were they 
+for? Balancing our checkbook? Well, in general, they were for 
+fun. The vast majority of uses on them were to play games. And 
+the fact that it expanded as an industry and of something that 
+we really didn't know what they were for, it left it wide open 
+for somebody like Al Gore to come along and invent the 
+Internet. And then, all of a sudden, the fact that it is out 
+there, all of a sudden now here is an application, and the 
+application is now our communication, it is our commerce, it is 
+our, essentially, everything. And that was an industry in which 
+the product was sold for a full decade just for fun. And I 
+believe this is going to happen with space flying, also. I am 
+not embarrassed that the first decade of personal space flight 
+will be for nothing but fun. But I am confident that when there 
+are 50,000 people that have left the atmosphere, and when there 
+is a lot of capital investment on it, because it is profitable, 
+all of a sudden we will get out there and we will solve the 
+reasons to make it also safe to go to orbit and to go to the 
+moon. And we will also find out new uses for it. There will be 
+somebody that comes along and invent an Internet-like reason 
+for changing this fun into something that is long lasting and 
+significant for our Nation.
+    Thank you.
+    [The prepared statement of Mr. Rutan follows:]
+
+                    Prepared Statement of Burt Rutan
+
+    Thank you for the invitation to address this important hearing. I 
+will attempt to specifically address the subjects outlined in the 
+invitation.
+    The markets for a future Personal Space Flight industry (access to 
+flight above the atmosphere by the public) will likely take on two 
+basic forms: The first is a scenario in which commercial companies 
+develop lower-cost versions of the classic government booster and 
+spacecraft concepts and then conduct commercial flights that are funded 
+by passenger ticket sales. This activity might properly be compared to 
+the trekking outfits that take courageous adventurers to the top of 
+Mount Everest; the activity survives even though more than nine percent 
+of those who have reached the summit have died on the mountain, with 
+the recent rate still at four percent. The safety record for all of 
+government manned space flight is hardly better; four percent fatality 
+for those who have flown above the atmosphere, and the fatality rate 
+for the last 20 years being much worse than the first 20 years. This 
+first scenario's approach will result in a very limited market whose 
+size will depend somewhat on the ticket prices. However, I do not 
+believe this scenario will result in a significant volume of 
+operations, being limited by the same factors that limit the Everest 
+climbers. I believe these systems might begin commercial flights in 
+four to six years flying maybe 50 to 100 astronauts the first year with 
+the rate topping out at maybe 300 to 500 per year.
+    The second is a scenario in which the players do not find the 
+dangers of space flight acceptable and recognize that extensive 
+improvements in safety are more important than extensive improvements 
+in affordability. Those that attack the problem from this viewpoint 
+will be faced with a much greater technical challenge; the need for new 
+innovations and breakthroughs. If successful, however, they will enjoy 
+an enormous market, not one that is limited to servicing only a few 
+courageous adventurers. It is likely that systems that come from this 
+approach will be more like airplanes and will operate more like 
+airplanes than the historic systems used for government manned space 
+flight.
+    The future plans for my company regarding the new industry cannot 
+be revealed since they are only at a preliminary stage of technical 
+development. I can assure you that they do not involve a `scenario one' 
+approach, since we believe a proper goal for safety is the record that 
+was achieved during the first five years of commercial scheduled 
+airline service which, while exposing the passengers to high risks by 
+today's standards, was more than 100 times as safe as government manned 
+space flight. Achieving that goal requires new generic concepts; ones 
+that will come from true research, not merely development programs like 
+the ones we are seeing with NASA's exploration plans.
+    I can tell you that we do not yet have the breakthroughs that can 
+promise adequate safety and cost for manned orbital flights. That is 
+why our early focus will be on the sub-orbital Personal Space Flight 
+industry. Our recent SpaceShipOne research program did focus on the 
+needs for safety breakthroughs by providing an air-launched operation 
+in which the rocket propulsion is not safety critical and the `care-
+free re-entry' concept assures that flight control is not safety 
+critical for atmospheric entry.
+    Another thing I can tell you is that our systems for the commercial 
+Private Space Flight industry will be focused on an early marketplace 
+with multiple, competing spaceline operators in order to bring the 
+experience to the largest possible audience. The airline experience has 
+shown us that it is not just technology that provides safety, but the 
+maturity that comes from a high level of flight activity. Airline 
+safety increased by a factor of six within the first five years without 
+an accompanying technology increase. I am not able to reveal the 
+schedule for the introduction of our commercial systems. However, I 
+believe that once the revenue business begins it will likely fly as 
+many as 500 astronauts the first year. By the fifth year the rate will 
+increase to about 3,000 astronauts per year and by the twelfth year of 
+operations 50,000 to 100,000 astronauts will have enjoyed that black 
+sky view.
+    Now that it has been shown that a small private company can indeed 
+conduct robust, sub-orbital manned flights with an acceptable recurring 
+cost, I do not believe that this industry will again be hampered by the 
+inability to raise capital. The size of the potential market supports 
+significant investment. The main barrier had been the perceived risk 
+that the technical problems were not solvable. Those that develop 
+systems that have generic features that point to poor safety will 
+continue to have trouble finding capital, as they should. Our ability 
+to find funding for our research program was certainly tied to the fact 
+that we had a goal of not just to fly, but to fly a system that could 
+immediately be developed for the commercial market. We have had no 
+problem finding investors for our future program that involves the 
+development and certification of commercial sub-orbital spaceships.
+    I believe the ability to insure will be greatly improved if the 
+government steps up to the responsibility to require an operator to 
+show his passenger safety by adequate flight and ground testing. 
+Clearly, insurance will be expensive until it is shown that aggressive 
+safety goals are indeed being achieved. With maturity I expect that 
+safety will continuously improve, as it did with airliners.
+    Over the last 33 years my companies have developed 39 different 
+manned aircraft types. All were developed via research flight tests 
+flown over our California desert area and all flights were regulated by 
+the FAA-AVR (the airplane folk, now AVS). We have never injured a test 
+pilot, nor put the non-involved public or their property at risk. In 
+spite of that record, the FAA insisted that the Office of Commercial 
+Space Transportation (AST) impose their commercial launch license 
+process on the last five flights of our 88-flight research test 
+program. That would have been fine, except that their process bore no 
+relation to that historically used for research testing. The AST 
+process, focusing only on the non-involved public, just about ruined my 
+program. It resulted in cost overruns, increased the risk for my test 
+pilots, did not reduce the risk to the non-involved public, destroyed 
+our ``always question, never defend'' safety policy, and removed our 
+opportunities to seek new innovative safety solutions. The main reason 
+for this is that AST, with their history of only regulating the 
+dangerous `scenario one' type of systems, applied the process of 
+protecting only the non-involved and had no process to deal with the 
+safety and prediction of failure for manned aircraft. Their process 
+deals primarily with the consequence of failure, where the aircraft 
+regulatory process deals with reducing the probability of failure. The 
+regulatory process was grossly misapplied for our research tests, and 
+worse-yet is likely to be misapplied for the regulation of the future 
+commercial spaceliners. The most dangerous misapplication might be 
+stifling innovation by imposing standards and design guidelines, rather 
+than the aircraft certification process that involves testing to show 
+safety margins. AST has already used NASA and AIAA to develop design 
+guidelines. This is an approach that must not be imposed on an industry 
+that is still doing research. The AST launch license process might be 
+applicable for the protection of those on the ground during flights of 
+``scenario one'' systems, but it will not work for the portion of the 
+industry that promises growth and sustainability. Time here does not 
+allow elaboration, so I must refer you to the handout.
+    A basic problem faced by the FAA in dealing with the regulatory 
+tasks ahead is funding for hiring staff familiar with aircraft 
+certification and commercial operations. The Administrator has told me 
+that she is 300 short in staff needed for the current demands in 
+regulating aircraft, thus it is impossible to shift the job of 
+regulation of spacecraft like mine for ``scenario two'' to the aircraft 
+organization (AVS) who will know how to regulate the systems being 
+developed. This problem must be solved quickly to support an industry 
+that needs a proper research test environment to allow innovation. The 
+problem cannot be solved by adding staff at AST, since having more 
+people applying the wrong processes is not the answer. I believe that 
+they are over staffed, to do the current launch license process. Much 
+of the work done in an attempt to misapply the expendable-booster 
+process to our aircraft was repeated numerous times with a staff that 
+were not equipped to make relatively easy decisions and incapable of 
+applying the needed waiver process. In fact, while my company was 
+already flying initial test flights and waiting for time-critical 
+responses from AST, during 2003 and 2004, AST found time to expend 
+extensive resources processing and awarding a launch license to a 
+company that did not even have a vehicle in construction, or even 
+funding for the project!
+    We have spent considerable resources developing recommendations for 
+specific regulatory processes to be applied to the new industry, but 
+have not yet found interest within the FAA to consider them. We will 
+continue our work to solve this problem and will hope to make progress 
+within the next two years.
+    Thank you for your attention to my opening remarks. I will be happy 
+to answer your questions.
+
+             Regulation of Manned Sub-orbital Space Systems
+                 for Research and Commercial Operations
+
+    A summary prepared by Burt Rutan, Scaled Composites
+
+Safety Requirements for the Private Spaceline Industry
+
+          New generic solutions for safety as compared to 
+        historic Government manned space operations will be mandatory
+
+          Cannot run a Spaceline without a huge reduction of 
+        current risk
+
+Safety Goals: Airline experience as a model
+
+          Risk statistics, fatal risk per flight
+
+                  First 44 years of manned space flight = one 
+                per 62 flights
+
+                  First airliners (1927 & 1928) = one per 5,500 
+                flights
+
+                  Early airliners (1934 to 1936) = one per 
+                31,000 flights
+
+                  Current airliners = one per two to five 
+                million flights
+
+                  Modern military fighters = one mishap per 
+                33,000 flights
+
+          Logical goal:
+
+                  Better than the first airliners
+
+                  < one percent of the historic government 
+                space flight risk
+
+Different Systems Need Different Regulation Methods
+
+          The AST Process
+
+                  To show that the consequence of failure, 
+                i.e., the expectation of casualty (Ec) for the non-
+                involved public (NIP) is low.
+
+                  Deals with systems that are historically 
+                dangerous.
+
+          The AVR (now AVS) Process
+
+                  To show that the probability of failure (Pf) 
+                is low.
+
+                  Assures safety of crew and passengers.
+
+                  Deals with systems that need to be reliable.
+
+          The risk method approach by AST
+
+                  Risk is product of failure probability and 
+                consequence.
+
+                  NIP risk with dangerous systems is assured 
+                only by selection of flight area.
+
+                  Flight crew risk with dangerous systems can 
+                be addressed only by flight termination staging.
+
+                  However, since Pf cannot be calculated for 
+                immature systems, AST has no acceptable process for new 
+                systems that have to be safe enough for commercial 
+                passenger service.
+
+          AST Methods for Booster-like systems
+
+                  Computer-flown or remote operation
+
+                  Automation that requires backup via flight-
+                termination systems
+
+                  Ground-launched
+
+                  Safety-critical rocket propulsion
+
+                  Un-piloted stages dropped
+
+                  High-scatter landing
+
+          AVR Methods for Aircraft-like systems
+
+                  Human Piloted flight
+
+                  Expendable-like flight-termination systems 
+                are not appropriate
+
+                  Runway takeoff
+
+                  Rocket propulsion not safety critical
+
+                  No ``bombing'' of hardware that presents risk 
+                to NIP
+
+                  Horizontal aircraft-like runway recovery
+
+          If the safety approach is based on failure 
+        consequence it should be regulated by AST.
+
+          If the safety approach is based on failure 
+        probability it should be regulated by AVR or by staff 
+        experienced in aircraft safety assurance.
+
+          If safety is based on both consequence and vehicle 
+        reliability, then consequence should be calculated by AST, but 
+        Pf must be accessed by those with aircraft safety regulation 
+        experience.
+
+Experimental Research Testing of Airplane-like Systems
+
+          Cannot be addressed by enforcing standards or 
+        guidelines--the important need is to allow innovation; to seek 
+        safety breakthroughs without regulatory hurdles. Regulators 
+        must not be expected to appreciate this need during a research 
+        test environment.
+
+          Pf cannot be calculated, thus historic data must be a 
+        guide for approval of an adequate test area to meet Ec intent 
+        for NIP.
+
+          Environmental requirements, like for aircraft are not 
+        needed, but they can be tolerated, with costs not the full 
+        burden of the developer.
+
+          The AVR waiver method for all regulations is 
+        mandatory. The developer must be able to argue the equivalent 
+        safety justification for non-compliance to any regulation. This 
+        is critical, especially for an immature industry with 
+        indeterminate technical issues.
+
+          The AST launch licensing process is not acceptable 
+        due to its costs, its hindrance of innovation and its negative 
+        effect on safety policy. The AVR-EAC (Experimental 
+        Airworthiness Certificate) method works and must be 
+        implemented. The system is based on respect for a developer's 
+        safety record and the expectation that he will follow the 
+        license rules.
+
+Certification, or Licensing Spacecraft for Commercial Sub-orbital 
+                    Passenger Operations
+
+          The manufacturer and the operator cannot accept a 
+        scenario in which the FAA has no role in approving the safety 
+        of crews or passengers. His responsibility to do adequate 
+        testing to assure passenger safety must have acceptance by the 
+        FAA. Otherwise he has no unbiased defense at trial following an 
+        accident.
+
+          Part 23 & 25 Certification are based on defining 
+        conformity. Then, by test and analysis showing adequate margins 
+        for the conformed vehicle. Subsequently the holder of the 
+        certificate can then produce and operate unlimited numbers of 
+        vehicles that conform. The main costs of certification are the 
+        issues related to conformity, not the specific tests to show 
+        margins.
+
+          Any ethical manufacturer or operator must test to 
+        show margins, even in the absence of any government regulation.
+
+          However, initially the manufacturer and operator will 
+        build and operate only a very small number of vehicles, thus 
+        making the detailed conformity process debilitating. Also, the 
+        intensity of the process would interfere with the need to solve 
+        new technical problems and to maintain a ``question, never 
+        defend'' posture while system technical status is not mature.
+
+          Our proposal: an applicant seeking approval to fly 
+        passengers will be required to define the tests needed to show 
+        adequate margins for his design and define the required systems 
+        safety analysis. He must then obtain acceptance of the test 
+        plan by FAA regulators and later get acceptance that the tests 
+        were satisfactorily completed. The process will be design 
+        specific and repeated for each flight article.
+
+          Conformity of the design, the tools, the systems or 
+        the manufacturing process will not be required.
+
+          A manufacturer can select the conformity process as 
+        an option if he desires to avoid the individual tests of each 
+        production article.
+
+          Conformity may be mandatory after the industry 
+        matures (the aircraft certification process).
+
+Lessons from the Regulatory Process During the SpaceShipOne (SS1) 
+                    Research Flight Tests
+
+          The Tier1 test program involved 88 flights, 17 for 
+        the SS1 and 71 for the White Knight. 83 of those flights were 
+        licensed via an AVR-AIR-200 Experimental Airworthiness 
+        Certificate. Those flights were done under the authority of the 
+        EAC and directed via the information in its Operating 
+        Limitations list. The EAC was in effect for the duration of the 
+        program, July 2002 to October 2004.
+
+          Five flights of SS1 were flown under the additional 
+        authority of an AST Launch License. License was in effect from 
+        March 2004 to October 2004.
+
+          The 83 flights flown under the EAC involved the 
+        highest risk, both to the pilots and the NIP: first flights of 
+        unproven vehicles and nearly all envelope expansion, including 
+        first supersonic flight of SS1 to max-q.
+
+          The EAC flights were regulated similar to the 1,800 
+        research flights conducted by Scaled on 36 aircraft types over 
+        a 30-year period: we were expected to fly within the Ops Limits 
+        list, and were trusted to do so. The program allowed the 
+        innovation always present in aircraft research, and did not 
+        interfere with our `question, never defend' safety policy.
+
+          Development of the new safety innovations were done 
+        under the EAC: the new type hybrid rocket motor, the air launch 
+        and the `care-free re-entry' feathered concept.
+
+          The EAC process provided an efficient environment for 
+        exploratory testing and continued the historic research 
+        aircraft record of safety for the NIP.
+
+          The AST Launch License process enforced on the 
+        remaining five flights of SS1 was a very different regulatory 
+        environment. We were assured streamlining from the 
+        certifications needed for commercial operations approvals but 
+        were kept in the dark on specifics. The process involved a 15 
+        month, three party Ec analysis that failed to arrive at an 
+        adequate calculation for Pf, thus rendering the Ec 
+        determination to be useless. The process was misguided and 
+        inappropriate, at times resembling a type certification effort 
+        and left the applicant without the basic information needed to 
+        determine status. The regulators requested Ec analysis, then 
+        ignored those results without informing the applicant or 
+        allowing him to defend, to revise or to resubmit the data. The 
+        regulators refused to reveal the government's analysis method 
+        for Ec calculation. The `shell game' continued for the majority 
+        of the program, resulting in a severe distraction to key test 
+        personnel as well as high costs and a disregard for our safety 
+        policy. The environment also precluded innovation.
+
+          The Launch License process, as applied to the 
+        aircraft research test environment resulted in increased risk 
+        for our flight crews, the very people that bear the true risk 
+        in experimental flight tests.
+
+          The AST office had no waiver policy, and answered our 
+        requests by a written denial from the Administrator without 
+        giving the applicant the opportunity to debate or negotiate the 
+        technical merits or to get an opinion from the EAC's regulatory 
+        staff.
+
+Conclusions
+
+          An applicant for approval to fly research flight 
+        tests of piloted, aircraft-like systems must have a defined 
+        process, one that allows him to plan his program staffing and 
+        financial needs. It is not acceptable to impose undefined, 
+        inappropriate forced oversight. The specific EAC process has 
+        served the industry well for decades and should be used and 
+        enforced by regulators familiar with research aircraft testing.
+
+          The Ec process, developed for protection of 
+        population from the dangers of ground-launched, expendable 
+        rocket boosters, is not workable for application to piloted, 
+        aircraft-like systems during research tests and must be 
+        replaced by the AVR method of having test-experienced 
+        regulators select an appropriate flight test area for research 
+        tests. The Ec process might be justifiable for commercial 
+        operations, but it must be regulated by those experienced with 
+        commercial aircraft operations.
+
+          Regarding licenses to conduct commercial flights that 
+        carry revenue passengers, it is not acceptable for FAA to 
+        ignore the approval or acceptance of the vehicle's ability to 
+        safely fly people. Regulation must be done by experienced 
+        (aircraft experienced) staff.
+
+          The acceptance of the system's probable safety can be 
+        done via a vehicle-specific test requirement process for 
+        structures and safety analysis for systems, rather than the 
+        more expensive Type Certification process that includes full 
+        conformity assurance. These processes cannot be defined in 
+        advance by specification of standards or by design guidelines, 
+        since every new system will have unique features. The testing 
+        details and systems safety analysis process must be specific to 
+        the vehicle and its intended operation. This process does not 
+        have to be significantly more expensive than that which would 
+        be done by any ethical manufacturer in the absence of 
+        government regulation.
+
+                        Biography for Burt Rutan
+
+    Burt Rutan was born in 1943. He received his Bachelor of Science 
+degree in Aeronautical Engineering at California Polytechnic University 
+in 1965. His education includes the Space Technology Institute at Cal 
+Tech and the Aerospace Research Pilot's School at Edwards Air Force 
+Base. Mr. Rutan holds, in addition, the honorary degree of Doctor of 
+Science from California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo, 
+June 1987; Doctoral of Science, honoris causa, from Daniel Webster 
+College, May 1987; Doctoral of Humanities, honoris causa, from Lewis 
+University, May 1988 and Doctorate of Technology, honoris causa, from 
+Delft University of Technology, January 1990.
+    Mr. Rutan worked for the U.S. Air Force from 1965 until 1972 as 
+Flight Test Project Engineer at Edwards Air Force Base, California. His 
+projects ranged from fighter spin tests to the XC-142 VSTOL transport.
+    In March 1972, Mr. Rutan became Director of the Bede Test Center 
+for Bede Aircraft in Newton, Kansas.
+    In June of 1974, at Mojave, California, Mr. Rutan formed the Rutan 
+Aircraft Factory (RAF) to develop light homebuilt aircraft. Through 
+this company, the VariViggen, VariEze, NASA AD-1, Quickie, Defiant, 
+Long-EZ, Grizzly, scaled NGT trainer, Solitaire, Catbird, and the 
+world-flight Voyager aircraft were developed.
+    In April 1982, Mr. Rutan founded Scaled Composites (Scaled) to 
+develop research aircraft. Since its founding, Scaled has been the 
+world's most productive aerospace prototype development company, 
+developing new aircraft types at a rate of one each year. Past projects 
+include the 85 percent scale Starship 1 for Beech Aircraft Corporation, 
+the Predator agricultural aircraft for ATAC, the Scarab Model 324 
+reconnaissance drone for Teledyne Ryan Aeronautical, the Advanced 
+Technology Tactical Transport (ATTT) for DARPA, the 1988 America's Cup 
+wing sail, the Triumph light executive jet for Beechcraft, the ARES 
+close air support attack turbofan, the Pond Racer, the Pegasus Space 
+launch vehicle flying surfaces, the Model 191 general aviation single 
+for Toyota, a 40 percent scale B-2 bomber RCS model, General Motor's 
+1992 show car (the GM Ultralite), the Bell Eagle Eye prototype tilt 
+rotor RPV, the Earthwinds pressurized gondola, the McDonnell Douglas 
+DC-X single stage rocket structure, the VisionAire Vantage business 
+jet, the Raptor and Raptor D-2 high altitude RPVs for BMDO, a 40-meter 
+wind generator for Zond, three NASA X-38 crew return vehicles, the 
+Williams, International V-Jet II, the high-altitude Proteus aircraft, 
+the Adam Model 309 business aircraft, and the Rotary Rocket Roton 
+atmospheric test vehicle. Recent projects include the White Knight and 
+SpaceShipOne. On 21 June 2004, with Mike Melvill at the controls, SS1 
+flew history's first private manned space flight. On 4 Oct 2004, SS1 
+won the $10M X-Prize (two flights within five days flown by Melvill and 
+Brian Binnie). The Virgin Atlantic GlobalFlyer designed and built at 
+Scaled made its maiden flight in March 2004 and a record setting solo 
+world flight in March 2005.
+    A few of the awards which Mr. Rutan has received include:
+
+          EAA Outstanding New Design, 1975, 1976 and 1978.
+
+          Presidential Citizen's Medal presented by Ronald 
+        Reagan, December 29, 1986.
+
+          Grand Medal of the Aero Club of France, January 29, 
+        1987.
+
+          National Medal of the Aero Club of France, January 
+        29, 1987.
+
+          Society of Experimental Test Pilots, 1987 J.J. 
+        Doolittle Award and 2004 J.J. Doolittle Award.
+
+          Royal Aeronautical Society, British Gold Medal for 
+        Aeronautics, December 1987.
+
+          Design News Engineer of the Year for 1988.
+
+          Western Reserve Aviation Hall of Fame, Meritorious 
+        Service Award, 2 September 1988.
+
+          The International Aerospace Hall of Fame Honoree, 24 
+        September 1988.
+
+          Member, National Academy of Engineering, 1989.
+
+          1987 Robert J. Collier Trophy for ingenious design 
+        and development of the Voyager 15 May 1987 and again on 19 
+        April 2005 for SpaceShipOne.
+
+          National Aviation Hall of Fame Honoree, 21 July 1995.
+
+          EAA Freedom of Flight Award, 3 August 1996.
+
+          EAA Homebuilders Hall of Fame, 23 October 1998.
+
+          Designer of the Year, Professional Pilot Magazine, 13 
+        March 1999.
+
+          Clarence L. ``Kelly'' Johnson ``Skunk Works'' award 
+        by the Engineers Council, February 2000.
+
+          2000 Lindbergh Award by the Lindbergh Foundation, May 
+        20, 2000.
+
+          Aviation Week & Space Technology magazine's ``Laurel 
+        Legend'' and Hall of Fame in April 2002, Current Achievement 
+        Award for first privately-funded manned space flight by 
+        SpaceShipOne in April 2005.
+
+          Aviation Week & Space Technology magazine's ``100 
+        Stars of Aerospace'' (ranked 29th), June 2003.
+
+          Scientific American magazine's ``Business Leader in 
+        Aerospace,'' November 2003.
+
+          Time Magazine's ``100 Most Influential People in the 
+        World,'' April 18, 2005.
+
+    Chairman Calvert. I thank the gentleman for his excellent 
+testimony.
+    That--Mr. Whitehorn, and I apologize, President of Virgin 
+Galactic, not Virgin Atlantic. I just--it morphed in my mind, 
+but----
+
+  STATEMENT OF MR. WILL WHITEHORN, PRESIDENT, VIRGIN GALACTIC
+
+    Mr. Whitehorn. Thank you very much, Chairman Calvert.
+    Can I first of all start by moving slightly away from my 
+testimony and express my total agreement with Burt Rutan's last 
+comment there with regards to the reasons why personal space 
+flight, as a concept, is incredibly important?
+    Our belief at Virgin Galactic is that the proof of concept 
+in creating a profitable business in the private sector without 
+government funding to take individuals into space to experience 
+the blackness of space, the curvature of the Earth, 
+weightlessness, and all of the attendant things that they will 
+feel and experience during their two-hour trip to space is not 
+just about fun. It is certainly not all about fun for us. We 
+see this is as a proof of concept, proof of the idea that it is 
+possible to develop viable, reusable space systems that can be 
+safe in their operation.
+    As a major airline group operating three airlines around 
+the world, Virgin Atlantic and its sister companies have not 
+taken lightly the idea of venturing into the personal space 
+flight market. There has been a lot of handling over the issue 
+internally, because we have a worldwide brand and a reputation, 
+and we have a reputation for safety in the commercial airline 
+industry, which is second to none. In the 20 years we have been 
+operating, we have not lost a single passenger. We also operate 
+one of the largest rail networks in Europe operating high 
+technology tilting trains, which are a new technology to the UK 
+market. And we carry 50 million passengers a year in that 
+business, and we haven't had a single accident or incident 
+involving the death of a passenger on board.
+    And for us, the principle of entering this is the principle 
+of proving a concept, proving that something can be done in the 
+private sector, can be done safely, and through the personal 
+space flight experience of the pioneers who do pay at the 
+beginning of this process, we believe within five years we can 
+create a viable business, which will be profitable, and that 
+would allow us to bring down the costs of personal space flight 
+to levels which would be affordable across the board in the 
+United States and around the world.
+    I will move on now to talk a little bit about some of the 
+questions that the Subcommittee put to us. You asked us about a 
+timetable, and I think my answer to the issue of the timetable 
+is pretty similar to Burt Rutan's. The timetable for us depends 
+upon the ability to go through the process of completing the 
+design of SpaceShipTwo, as we will call it for the purposes of 
+today, and proving and testing the vehicle. For us, the issues 
+of coming to a contract with Mr. Rutan's company to build 
+SpaceShipTwo are bound up in a number of issues of bureaucracy, 
+which we are not unhappy about. We believe we can cope with 
+them. We have got the Defense Department and the DDTC to deal 
+with over the issue of technology transfer. And that is a 
+process which has to be completed before we can complete the 
+design work with Burt Rutan's company and move towards a final 
+contract to construct a fleet of space ships.
+    But an outline, our view of the issue is that we would like 
+to order at least five SpaceShipTwos, as we will call it for 
+the purposes of today, from Mr. Rutan's company, and we would 
+like to be in operation before the end of this decade. And we 
+would like to be going through a testing process by the end of 
+2007 and commercial operation by 2008, if that was possible. 
+But we can not allow ourselves to be dictated to by a 
+commercial need. The most important factor for us will be 
+developing a safe vehicle and operating that vehicle safely. 
+And if that can be proved, then we believe that we can take the 
+people into space and the people want to go.
+    To give you an example of where we believe the marketplace 
+is for commercial space tourism, we announced the formation of 
+Virgin Galactic formally before the X-Prize flights last 
+September, and we, at that state, set up the marketing 
+operation to market the flights. We have, since we set up, had 
+29,000 applications to fly. That is 29,000 people who said they 
+are willing to pay a deposit of up to $20,000 for space flights 
+within a range of prices of up to $200,000. We have also had 
+100 people who have actually signed terms and conditions with 
+us now to pay the full cost of a $200,000 flight up front in 
+order to fly in SpaceShipTwo, should that be developed. 
+Clearly, if we fail to develop a viable vehicle, they will get 
+their money back.
+    And moving on to some of the other questions that you 
+asked, and the question of profitability for us is a very 
+important one. We are not doing this as a rich billionaire's 
+toy adventure and as a loss leader or just as a grand 
+representation. We are doing this to create a profitable and 
+viable business to prove a concept. And we believe that if the 
+initial work that we have done on the business plan can be met, 
+that this business can be profitable within five years, and the 
+cost of space flights could fall by a factor of 75 percent by 
+the end of that five-year period. And the pioneers, who are 
+going to be the pioneer astronauts who pay to fly commercially 
+into space, will help to fund the process of making 
+commercially viable personal space flight something that people 
+across the country can enjoy and afford in the future.
+    And you asked one of the questions about the differences 
+between acquiring a fleet of commercial spacecraft compared 
+with the process of buying commercial aircraft in the 
+commercial airline market and our experience of both. At the 
+risk of sounding trite, the short answer is that the 
+differences between the process we are going to undertake with 
+Burt Rutan's company and buying aircraft from Boeing are chalk 
+and cheese. We are in uncharted territory here, and it is 
+relatively easy now, on the basis of an output specification 
+from an airline, for one of the major manufacturers to provide 
+one's needs within the parameters of their manufacturing 
+capability. And the business is highly regulated. We work in a 
+highly regulated environment in commercial airline operation, 
+and rightly so.
+    In this area, the area of personal space flights, we are 
+going to have to design different ideas as to how we create a 
+viable vehicle, and we are going to be working very closely 
+with scale composites to come to a contractual arrangement with 
+each other, which will work for both parties to ensure that we 
+get the thing built and we get it operating viably as quickly 
+as possible. But it will not be like buying aircraft in the 
+commercial airline market. We are at the experimental cutting 
+edge of a new industry here, and between the two of us, with 
+our commercial experience and Burt's experimental aircraft 
+experience, we are absolutely convinced that we can come up 
+with something which will be viable and acceptable in terms of 
+safe operation to the FAA and the other organs of government 
+who are going to be involved in regulating the venture as it 
+unfolds.
+    It is--one of the other questions that you asked was the 
+question of the space act of last year and issues within that 
+act, which are important to us and things that the government 
+can do to help. Frankly, the most important thing to say is we 
+don't want help from the government. This is an important point 
+of principle here that the parties undertaking this venture do 
+it in the private sector and do it off their own back. However, 
+in a nascent industry like this, enabling by the government is 
+a very important thing. And I think one feature of the act that 
+we would like to look at more closely is the issue of the 
+insurability of this industry. For this industry to be viable, 
+the commercial personal space flight industry to be viable, it 
+is important that some of the breaks on insurance and support 
+from the government in the insurance area are carried through 
+beyond the current plan of 2008 to 2009 and that when the 
+government looks at this issue, they do extend the insurance 
+provisions within the act to cover a longer period of time to 
+allow this industry to get going with the kind of support it 
+needs. Because with the support of the government, the 
+insurability of the third party uninvolved risk is going to be 
+a much easier thing to undertake.
+    I think the other thing that the government can help us 
+with is enabling, enabling the processes that we undertake and 
+taking an active role in preventing roadblocks on the way. We 
+believe that the FAA is an organization that is well up to the 
+job of helping this industry to form and form a safe pattern of 
+operation. We believe the Defense Department can take its 
+responsibilities to protect the U.S. public very seriously and 
+at the same time not hold up this project. We don't see 
+roadblocks on the way at the moment, but if they appear, we 
+would like the chance to come back before this group and have 
+the chance to tell you about it.
+    Thank you very much.
+    [The prepared statement of Mr. Whitehorn follows:]
+
+                  Prepared Statement of Will Whitehorn
+
+    Chairman Calvert, Ranking Member Udall, and other Members of this 
+distinguished subcommittee, on behalf of Virgin Galactic, thank you for 
+the opportunity to testify today. Virgin Galactic appreciates the 
+chance to explain how, with an unwavering commitment to safety, we plan 
+to make available and affordable an adventure of a lifetime. We are 
+proud to be on the leading edge of the commercial space industry and 
+honored to have Burt Rutan as our future partner.
+    I am Will Whitehorn, the President of Virgin Galactic. I also am 
+Group Corporate Affairs and Brand Development Director for Virgin 
+Management Limited. I have nearly 30 years of aviation experience 
+having previously worked for British Airways and Thomas Cook before 
+joining Virgin in 1987.
+    At the outset, I wish to acknowledge the invaluable leadership the 
+House Science Committee and this subcommittee provided last year for 
+the nascent commercial space industry. You ensured Congress struck a 
+proper balance in the Commercial Space Launch Amendments Act of 2004. 
+Had it not been for that sensitivity in crafting a proper regulatory 
+oversight regime consistent with the goal of permitting our emerging 
+industry to realize its full potential, it is unlikely the Virgin Group 
+would have made our considerable commitment to Virgin Galactic.
+    Virgin Galactic is a private sector venture. We receive no state 
+aid. Frankly, we think that is the way it should be. Entrepreneurs like 
+Sir Richard Branson who are willing to shoulder the economic risk and 
+challenge of commercializing space will be the most successful 
+innovators who lead this industry and chart its course. Government's 
+proper role is regulatory oversight and creating a climate in which 
+entrepreneurs can translate their vision into reality and innovation 
+can flourish.
+    The history of Virgin Galactic goes back to the mid-1990s when Sir 
+Richard Branson identified that new technologies in composite 
+materials, rocketry and computing could easily lead to the development 
+of safe, economical reusable spacecraft in the future. At that time, we 
+registered the Virgin trademark in the area of space travel. In 1999, 
+we registered the Virgin Galactic name.
+    Virgin has a long history of working with Burt Rutan going back to 
+the early 1990s. When Mr. Rutan informed us he was building a spaceship 
+for a private customer to win the X-Prize, we made a commitment to him 
+that we would be prepared to develop a commercial version of 
+SpaceShipOne should he be successful. Over the last year we have 
+negotiated with Paul G. Allen, the visionary and financier behind 
+SpaceShipOne, to buy the rights to use his technology. Following the 
+successful conclusion of these negotiations, we signed a $21.5 million 
+deal for the use of that technology and developed a $100 million 
+investment plan to build up to five spaceships at Mr. Rutan's factory 
+in Mohave, California. The plan for the ships themselves is being 
+developed by Mr. Rutan to a specification created by Virgin Galactic.
+    Safety obviously is our first priority. Our commitment to safety 
+extends beyond the Virgin name, one of the best-known and most valuable 
+brands in the world. Sir Richard Branson has said that he, along with 
+his parents, son and daughter plan to travel in Virgin Galactic's first 
+space flight. If the Federal Aviation Administration permits me to do 
+so, I hope to be on an earlier test flight. Our commitment to safety is 
+very real and personal to us. Safety is and will continue to be Virgin 
+Galactic's North Star.
+    Suffice it to say that the Virgin Group has considerable experience 
+in issues regarding passenger carriage and an unwavering commitment to 
+safety. Virgin currently operates three separate airlines around the 
+world which together carry over 50 million passengers a year. The best 
+known of these is Virgin Atlantic Airways whose main business is 
+operating scheduled services between the United Kingdom and a variety 
+of destinations in the United States, as well as flights to the Far 
+East, Africa and Australia. We have an unblemished safety record having 
+never lost a single passenger in over 21 years of operation. All of our 
+airlines also are profitable without ever having received any state 
+subsidy. We also operate the U.K.'s largest long-distance rail company 
+which also has an unblemished safety record despite carrying 35 million 
+passengers per year at speeds over 125 miles per hour.
+    Let me briefly describe the out-of-this-world service Virgin is 
+known for that, quite literally, we intend to offer to Virgin Galactic 
+customers. It is envisaged that the astronauts we carry will experience 
+a two hour trip. Half of that will involve the thrill of climbing to a 
+safe altitude with the mother ship and then our astronauts will 
+experience the exhilaration of spending an hour on SpaceShipTwo as it 
+accelerates to over three times the speed of sound and climbs to well 
+in excess of the 100km altitude officially recognized as entering 
+space, and becoming one of the few humans to have left the planet. Our 
+current plan is to begin operations in Mohave and then develop a second 
+site in another location that could possibly be either Florida, Texas 
+or New Mexico. The flights will be what is known as sub-orbital. The 
+pioneers who become astronauts with Virgin Galactic will initially pay 
+$200,000 for the trip but the Company hopes to reduce the cost over 
+time as the business develops. Our long-term goal is to develop 
+commercial space tourism into an orbital business which could in the 
+future carry payloads as well as people into orbit.
+    Chairman Calvert, the Subcommittee asked that I address several 
+specific questions in my testimony. Let me turn to them now.
+    The Subcommittee asked about the timetable for taking possession of 
+the Virgin Galactic spacecraft, first flight and expected 
+profitability. At this time, Virgin Galactic has a memorandum of 
+understanding with Mr. Rutan's company, Scaled Composites, to customize 
+the SpaceShipOne vehicle for commercial use. Design work to that end 
+continues. However, we have not yet formally ordered the spacecraft. 
+After U.S. Government technology transfer issues are clarified and 
+addressed if deemed necessary, we hope to place a firm order for the 
+spacecraft. At this point, due to uncertainty about possible licensing 
+requirements, we are not able to even view Scaled Composites' designs 
+for the commercial space vehicle.
+    Mr. Chairman, we are not concerned about this lack of clarity on 
+the technology licensing issue and the nominal delay it has caused to 
+date. Like any nascent industry overseen by government oversight 
+agencies faced with issues of first impression, we understand instances 
+such as this are to be expected. We are continuing a robust and cordial 
+dialogue with the Department of Defense and other agencies that provide 
+input on technology licensing issues. We hope a consensus can soon be 
+reached that will clear the way for us to move forward with a formal 
+order for Mr. Rutan's spacecraft.
+    In terms of first flight, we are hopeful Virgin Galactic will begin 
+service in either 2008 or 2009. Let me be clear, this is an estimate 
+only. As I testified earlier, safety is our North Star and it will 
+determine our launch date. We will launch as soon as our safety 
+assessments and training dictate we do so, and not a day before. Our 
+launch date estimate also assumes prompt clarification of the U.S. 
+Government technology licensing issue I just mentioned. The longer it 
+remains unresolved, it could adversely impact our projected launch 
+date.
+    As far as profitability is concerned, our business plan projects 
+that we will attain profitability in our fourth or fifth year of 
+operation. Importantly, this estimate assumes five spaceships, two 
+launch aircraft or mother ships, and two launch bases in the United 
+States. If the schedule for deploying any of these assets slips, it 
+would negatively impact our target date for profitability.
+    Mr. Chairman, the Subcommittee asked that I comment on the 
+differences in procuring a commercial spaceship fleet and Virgin 
+Atlantic's experience acquiring a fleet of commercial aircraft. At the 
+risk of sounding trite, the short answer is everything. Virgin Atlantic 
+is a customer of both Boeing and Airbus aircraft. Being a customer of 
+commercial aircraft essentially is a passive process. While you can 
+request some custom features, the aircraft as designed by the 
+manufacturer essentially is a complete unit and customer suggestions 
+and requests tend to relate to the margin. Virgin Galactic's 
+relationship with Scaled Composites is very different. It is an active 
+partnership. It is envisaged that we will work very closely together 
+designing the aircraft and sharing our complementary expertise. Simply 
+put, it will be a symbiotic relationship where ideas and intellectual 
+capital are shared by the customer and manufacturer to ensure a 
+successful product that benefits both.
+    This active partnership dynamic is precisely why we are so pleased 
+to have Burt Rutan as our future partner. Incidentally, in a decade or 
+so when the history books are written describing the birth of the 
+commercial space industry, I am confident that just as the Boeing brand 
+is synonymous with ushering in the age of commercial jet travel, Scaled 
+Composites will deservedly receive similar recognition for its 
+trailblazing role in our industry.
+    Mr. Chairman, let me now turn to the question the Subcommittee 
+asked about what preparations we presently are undertaking for the use 
+of the spaceships we plan to purchase from Mr. Rutan. We are focused on 
+complying fully with the letter and spirit of the Commercial Space 
+Launch Amendments Act of 2004. Scaled Composites will have sole 
+responsibility to certify the spacecraft. However, together, we are 
+engaged in an active dialogue with the Federal Aviation Administration 
+on other aspects of our business. At the same time, we are designing a 
+program to prepare our astronauts for an incredible sensory experience 
+and to allow them to gain the maximum from their journey to space. That 
+program will include training in all areas from physiological to 
+psychological. We want to ensure our passengers have the optimum 
+sensory experience but, even more importantly, that the operation will 
+be undertaken with the utmost safety, consistent with safety being our 
+absolute priority.
+    Finally, Mr. Chairman, you asked what, if anything, should the 
+government be doing to encourage commercial space. Let me reiterate a 
+point I made earlier. Virgin Galactic is a private venture. Consistent 
+with our belief that the proper role for government in encouraging the 
+commercial space industry should not include financial subsidies, we 
+receive no state aid. We believe there is great potential for mutually 
+beneficial partnerships between NASA and private companies involved in 
+our emerging industry. In other words, we support public-private 
+partnerships. For instance, NASA should seek opportunities to contract 
+with private sector manufacturers for cutting-edge designs and outside-
+the-box thinking. I am encouraged by signs of progress in NASA's 
+willingness to engage with the private sector in idea sharing. This 
+spirit of cooperation should be encouraged and broadened whenever 
+practical to do so. Virgin Galactic, for example, would welcome the 
+opportunity to provide assistance to NASA for aspects of astronaut 
+training. If NASA's first instinct is to look to private sector 
+commercial space partners for opportunities to work together, I believe 
+both NASA and our industry will be the better for it.
+    Mr. Chairman, let me conclude by again thanking you, Ranking Member 
+Udall, and other Subcommittee Members for the opportunity to testify 
+today. Virgin Galactic looks forward to working with you and your 
+staff. Burt Rutan has expressed his wish to put the first private 
+spacecraft on Mars. It may be several more years before I get the 
+chance to address the Subcommittee on that subject! I am pleased to 
+respond to your questions today and to keep you apprised of relevant 
+developments as we prepare to take-off.
+
+                      Biography for Will Whitehorn
+
+    Will Whitehorn is Brand Development and Corporate Affairs Director 
+of Virgin and one of five members of the Management Board of the group. 
+He is responsible for the corporate image of Virgin, public affairs, 
+global brand development and a number of new business development 
+activities most recent being the formation of Virgin Galactic, the new 
+Virgin space tourism operator due to launch flights in 2007-8, of which 
+he is President. In addition he acts as Richard Branson's spokesperson.
+    Aged 45, he joined Virgin Group in 1987, as Head of Corporate 
+Public Relations. Previously he was an Account Director at Lombard 
+Communications where he had worked on numerous flotation's and bids for 
+companies as diverse as Chrysalis Group, Ward White and Grampian 
+Holdings. Before entering the public relations industry he had worked 
+for British Airways as a helicopter crewman in the North Sea, was a 
+Graduate trainee with Thomas Cook Group and finally Market Intelligence 
+Officer for the TSB Group flotation. He was educated in Edinburgh and 
+graduated from Aberdeen University in 1981 with an honours degree in 
+history and economics.
+
+                               Discussion
+
+              5-10 Year Commercial Space Industry Outlook
+
+    Chairman Calvert. I thank the gentleman.
+    Now we will open up for questions.
+    Mr. Rutan, this is obviously very exciting, and this is 
+moving a lot quicker than we imagined just a year ago that we 
+would be moving to this next stage of space exploration.
+    What is your outlook for the commercial space industry, you 
+kind of mentioned this in your testimony, but maybe you would 
+like to expand on this, over the next five to 10 years? And how 
+do you expect SpaceShipOne or SpaceShipTwo to fair 
+commercially? Do you--how--what do you see the vision of this?
+    Mr. Rutan. Yes, I did try to summarize that in my opening 
+remarks, but I will tell you that we won't sell spaceliners or 
+spaceships to spacelines that aren't safe to fly. And we don't 
+plan to develop ones that will have large direct operating 
+costs, because we don't need to. We believe we have all of the 
+technologies demonstrated. There are several new technologies. 
+There are probably a couple of new patents in work now relating 
+to the new vehicles that will be commercial. But I think our 
+risks that we need to take right now are tiny compared to the 
+risks that we took in the year 2001 to get to the goals of 
+SpaceShipOne. When we have available spaceships that can be 
+flown at low direct operating cost per seat and provide the 
+real experience, and I want to point out this will not be the 
+experience like you saw in SpaceShipOne where you have a small 
+cabin and people are strapped down and they have little 
+windows. The very first generation of commercial sub-orbital 
+spaceships will be experience-optimized. There will be large 
+cabins. There will be big windows. There will be--since you 
+only have four or five minutes of weightless time, they will 
+pull a bar open, and you will float your body about the cabin. 
+We think that is extremely important to do on a short space 
+flight.
+    So we are working very hard on assuring that this will be 
+extremely attractive to the public, it will be extremely 
+affordable, and it will be at least as safe as the early 
+airlines. If we achieve those goals, and I think we really can, 
+we don't have tough answers to--in front of us or new 
+challenges in front of us to get there, but if we achieve those 
+goals, I think this is going to be a much, much bigger market 
+than anyone imagines. I think once it is determined that this 
+is a business that is profitable, I think very much like the 
+early airlines, you will get dozens of businesses wanting to 
+be--wanting to compete with Virgin, for example, and wanting to 
+be space flight operators. I believe that a lot of those will 
+fail either financially or their ability to raise capital or 
+their inability to follow--to support and follow the 
+maintenance and other guidelines that we will set up. And in 
+fact, we are looking at having this not like selling a 
+spaceship that says, ``Here, take it and do what you want,'' 
+but we are looking at doing it as a franchise, like a Wendy's 
+franchise. You buy our product, but you have to follow very 
+carefully our rules in how to maintain it and how to operate it 
+and the limits of its operation.
+    Chairman Calvert. I don't know if you want to use Wendy's 
+as an example.
+    Mr. Rutan. Well, okay. McDonald's franchise, right. But at 
+any rate, the important thing is because of where we stand in 
+the marketplace now, I think we will be able to assure that all 
+of the operators operate it safely.
+    Now I believe, like the early airlines, most of these that 
+want to that will try, I think most of these will fall out for 
+the same reasons that the early airline companies did. But I 
+expect to see that, say, in the--between five and 10 years into 
+the operation of these, I expect to see that you will have 
+three or four operators with multiple sites that are operating 
+reliably, and they are going to be competing with each other, 
+and they are going to have an enormous, enormous market. The 
+space market has never had any product, any payload that is 
+high volume. Generally, nowadays, if you are doing something 
+commercial in space, you don't complain a lot that you have to 
+pay $80 million to buy a booster, because your payload that is 
+in it, you may invest a half a billion dollars to build this 
+payload. Well, the payloads for this industry don't cost 
+anything. In fact, they pay to fly. That is a totally different 
+concept for the space industry. In fact, the payloads can be 
+easily reproduced by unskilled labor. And I don't see a limit 
+to it, whereas there has been very specific limits to 
+everything.
+    Another thing, if we reach our goals on affordability and 
+safety, it will affect everything else that is done in space. 
+For example, as we flow this capability of very high volume, 
+very low cost, high safety into the orbital market, all of a 
+sudden, those that go out and want to do exploration of the 
+planets, instead of being able to afford to build one or two of 
+these every couple of years, we can build thousands and 
+hundreds and send them everywhere and do real exploration 
+because it will be affordable. I have had NASA, two different 
+centers, including NASA headquarters, insisting that I keep 
+SpaceShipOne flying so that they can fly their payloads on it. 
+You know, they have made a lot of these payloads for student 
+projects and so on, and they just don't have an ability to fly 
+it.
+    My position on that has been that NASA certainly has a lot 
+more capability to fly science payloads than we do. They have a 
+space station. They have a reusable Space Shuttle. The reason 
+that they can't fly their own payloads is not my fault. And I 
+have refused to do that, because I have refused to have 
+anything in my way in order to, as quickly as we can, get an 
+operable system that flies safe and flies cheap. And I think it 
+is much better for NASA to just wait and buy tickets rather 
+than us doing science projects to develop that kind of 
+capability along the way. We have put all of this other 
+interest and all of this other stuff aside so that we can 
+quickly reach the goal. And that goal will help everything 
+else.
+    Chairman Calvert. Thank you.
+    Mr. Udall, a skilled man.
+    Mr. Udall. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
+    The testimony that both of you presented was fascinating, 
+and I am looking forward to hearing more about your point of 
+view.
+
+                    Regulatory and Approval Process
+
+    Mr. Rutan, you talked about some of the challenges working 
+through the--an approval process for SpaceShipOne. As you look 
+ahead at developing a commercial version of this spaceship, 
+have you had any discussions with FAA as to what you will have 
+to do to get your vehicle approved for commercial service? And 
+would you be willing to talk with us and/or provide some 
+specific ideas about changes to the process? And perhaps you 
+could do that for the record. Again, we have got limited time 
+today, but----
+    Mr. Rutan. Absolutely. I have had multiple meetings with 
+the FAA Administrator. I have insisted that at least one of 
+those meetings including having the airplane people as well as 
+the space people, you know, AVR as well as AST, and I did 
+succeed last month in having that meeting where all three were 
+in the same room. And that was in the FAA Administrator's 
+office. It was a meeting of more than two hours, and I made my 
+point that the FAA does need to stand up to the responsibility 
+for assuring the safety of the passengers. And I believe that 
+that process can be structured so that the applicant for flying 
+commercial flights can get an acceptance by the FAA that he has 
+indeed done his testing and has defined the testing that is 
+needed for--to show his margins, his safety margins. I believe 
+that can be done with a very minor effect on the cost of the 
+developer.
+    However, this is a subject that FAA seems to be afraid of. 
+They seem to be happy that they are not required under the new 
+legislation to certify these ships. And I think it is--really 
+comes down to the problem is that they just flat don't have the 
+people that are qualified to do it. I don't believe that the 
+new ships will go through a conformity process like you do in a 
+part 25 certification for airplanes. And we have developed 
+specific processes for that as suggestions. And I am--I hope 
+to, over this next month or two, have a meeting with the 
+working level certification people so we can present this. But 
+we have not had that opportunity yet.
+
+                        Similarities to Airlines
+
+    Mr. Udall. Thank you.
+    If I could, I would move to Mr. Whitehorn.
+    You have got a background in the airline industry. Would 
+you talk a little bit about what aspects of your operations 
+that you think will be similar to the airline industry and 
+which aspects would be different?
+    Mr. Whitehorn. Yes. I mean, I think when we look at issues 
+such as the certification of the spacecraft, I mean, Burt 
+Rutan's company, Scaled Composites, will be responsible for 
+certifying the SpaceShipTwo, which we have developed into a 
+commercial business. So I won't talk about those issues at all. 
+We will leave that to Burt.
+    We will receive--we have engaged in an active dialogue as 
+well with the FAA at the moment, which is in a much happier 
+area, which is the area of what the passenger experience will 
+be and the program to prepare the astronauts for flight and the 
+regime that we will operate in terms of the safety of those 
+astronauts, what we will need to do on the medical front to 
+ensure they are fit to fly. We are planning to buy a system 
+from Burt Rutan, which would allow 80 percent of the population 
+of the world to fly in terms of medical areas. And in terms of 
+age, it would be open to anybody of any age to fly. But 
+obviously, from the point of view of the FAA, we will come up 
+with a set of standards and guidelines as to what we will deem 
+acceptable. And what the legislation allows us to do is to work 
+in quite an open forum on those issues of the guidelines as to 
+what the passenger will have to experience.
+    Where I think this differs from the commercial airline 
+industry is that the commercial airline industry has been 
+regulated now for the best part of 70 years, properly 
+regulated, in the United Kingdom and the United States. And the 
+difference here is that there is no precedent to base things 
+upon. The precedent of the past is to look at the best that has 
+happened in the world of commercial aviation and try and apply 
+the important principles of that but not create rules before we 
+know exactly the direction of where we are going is, but to try 
+and develop the rules that will be there for the future in as 
+open a forum as possible between the parties involved in this 
+industry. And I think that is achievable. I think the FAA has 
+an open attitude to those aspects. And I think that when it 
+comes to the certification of the craft itself, that is Mr. 
+Rutan's area, the principles around how it operates the 
+business will be our area, as the commercial operator. And you 
+know, I think the principles of safety for us are paramount. 
+The principles that we do want to create an experience for the 
+customers that they can have confidence in, and the kind of 
+sophisticated individuals we are dealing at the moment have an 
+understanding of risk, but they are expecting an experience, 
+which will be along the lines--I mean, as Burt said, the early 
+days of commercial aviation, back in the 1920s and 1930s, or 
+somewhere around where private aviation got after the second 
+world war in the USA in terms of the level of safety. That is 
+what the audience expects that we are addressing this product 
+to. And I think that our north star in safety is going to be 
+ensuring that the standards that we introduce to service at the 
+beginning of the operation of this by the end of this decade 
+are standards that then can be improved by experience all of 
+the time.
+    And if one starts from a prescription of where you begin, 
+you are never going to get to the position of creating 
+guidelines that can be improved and developed with experience. 
+And one of the things I am encouraged by, though, is in that 
+particular area I think the FAA is spot on in the way it is 
+working.
+    Mr. Udall. Thank you.
+    Chairman Calvert. Mr. Rohrabacher.
+    Mr. Rohrabacher. Well, I thank you very much. And let me 
+just sing the praises of Burt Rutan, who, of course, everybody 
+sings the praises of Burt Rutan. I don't know if you are Hans 
+Solo or Charles Lindbergh, but whoever you are, Mr. Rutan, you 
+are an historic person, and it has been my honor to have had 
+the opportunity to know you and to watch with amazement some of 
+the things you are doing. So thank you very much for being just 
+a role model to young--the young people in America and old 
+people in America as well.
+    Mr. Rutan. Well, thank you, Dana. I consider myself someone 
+that just hides out in the high desert in California and has as 
+much fun as I can. And I don't look at it that way at all, but 
+thank you very much.
+    Mr. Rohrabacher. Well, I would hope that when people are 
+studying in our universities and in our high schools that when 
+they pick people out to study and to see what type of person 
+they were and to use as examples for--I would certainly hope 
+that the education community takes a look at Burt Rutan and 
+makes him a full chapter in the book, because that is what our 
+young people need.
+    Mr. Rutan. I believe that the education, which has--NASA 
+has spent a lot of money over the last three decades on trying 
+to keep the interest in education, I believe that problem will 
+totally disappear once there is a growing industry out there 
+and kids can not just kind of be prompted to dream about being 
+an astronaut, they will be making their plans to fly. And once 
+you have that, I think we are going to get an enormous amount 
+of increase in those that go to school to learn engineering and 
+science and those that deal with all of the aspects of this new 
+industry. And I don't think our education problem will be a 
+problem at all once there is something real that is going on.
+    Mr. Rohrabacher. Okay. Thank you very much.
+    The--I had to leave a few moments ago, because Lieutenant 
+General Arnold, who is the command of the Space Missile Center 
+there in Los Angeles, was--needed to meet me right outside the 
+room here. And I think that it is significant, and you 
+mentioned this in your testimony in passing, that in the past--
+as in contrast to the past, where there were spin-off effects 
+from America's defense spending to the private sector. You 
+believe that there is going to be a great spin-off or 
+collateral effect for national defense and other type of issues 
+from the private sector investment in space.
+    Mr. Rutan. I have got an example that supports that, and 
+let me just state that I don't think the primes--Lockheed and 
+Boeing, for example, I don't think they know it yet, they will 
+be developing large numbers of low-cost launch capabilities. 
+And the reason I say that is we have an example in front of us 
+that I really truly believe is a parallel and that is in the 
+late '70s, IBM did not know that in a few years they would be 
+building tens of thousands of $700 computers. They really 
+didn't know that. They found out that they had to force 
+themselves into that market. They had to realize that, ``Hey, 
+we are not just a company that makes a handful of mainframe 
+computers.'' And they changed very quickly, and they got in and 
+they competed. And I think that is going to happen also as this 
+paradigm changes to where there are the benefits of cost and 
+safety and an enormous lot of activity.
+    Mr. Rohrabacher. Which leads me to a question for Mr. 
+Whitehorn. And of course, let me applaud you, as well. Very 
+rarely do we have a witness come here before us in Washington 
+saying that they aren't asking for any help.
+    Mr. Whitehorn. Well, that is because I come from the United 
+Kingdom, and if you ask the government for any help, they just 
+don't get it.
+    Mr. Rohrabacher. But I noted--I think we noted two things 
+here. Number one, you were asking, basically, correct me if I 
+am wrong, for making sure that we have definitions of liability 
+that will permit your business to succeed. And I think that 
+that is something that we understand.
+
+                   Export Controls and Tech Transfer
+
+    Number two, you also mentioned tech transfer, just in 
+passing. Is there a problem? And again, there are military and 
+security implications to the craft that is being developed, 
+because obviously, frankly, what Burt is developing here as 
+something for the general public has some very great 
+implications for the security of the United States and the free 
+world. Are there problems with transfer to Britain, to a 
+British company and----
+    Mr. Rutan. Yes, I thought that Britain--or that England was 
+a relatively friendly nation to America. And at least reading 
+the papers, you would see that. But when you try to export 
+designed things that are tied to either rockets or the avionics 
+that go in rockets, we have seen this as an extremely difficult 
+thing. And it has been one of the reasons that we have had to 
+move away from the basic concept of this being a foreign-funded 
+development of the ship, even though it is a very friendly 
+country. And I have been to London. I found these people seem 
+to like us, too.
+    Mr. Rohrabacher. Well----
+    Mr. Rutan. But let me point out----
+    Mr. Rohrabacher. And people will be able to get to London a 
+lot quicker in your----
+    Mr. Rutan. First of all, I don't think we are going to have 
+this problem in the short term now by developing the ship here. 
+And if we fly them within the United States, I think that 
+problem will be minimized. However, relatively soon, and I 
+think this will happen in the first decade of commercial 
+operations, there will be requests, and very serious, well-
+funded requests. We have gotten them even from the guys 
+building that new city outside of Dubai. They want to run space 
+lines in their country. And when you take something that does 
+have some technologies that would transfer over--that could be 
+transferred over into a weapon, even though these technologies 
+are all really in the public domain, we run into very severe 
+restrictions. We have wrestled with this problem in terms of 
+technology transfer to Virgin Atlantic for about five months 
+now. And it has been--it doesn't seem to meet logic, and it has 
+been difficult. I think--and as a result of that, we are 
+discouraging, until there are routine commercial operations 
+going on in this country, and it can be shown that for the same 
+reasons that we sell airliners that we don't want to have 
+technology, that they don't have to have the technology in 
+order to operate a spaceline. And I think that is not going to 
+work on the early stages, because we just flat can not export 
+it. But I believe once there is routine operations going on 
+this country, then we will be able to surpass those roadblocks 
+and be able to set up sites in Dubai or in Australia or in 
+Europe.
+    Mr. Rohrabacher. Mr. Chairman, just one note, and I know my 
+time is up, and that is I have been a long-time advocate of a 
+two-tiered system of technology transfer controls where 
+countries like Australia and England and other countries that 
+are totally friendly to the United States should not have the 
+type of restrictions on them as compared to a country that 
+poses a potential threat to the United States. And thus, it 
+should be a totally free market with those countries.
+    Chairman Calvert. The gentleman----
+    Mr. Rohrabacher. Thank you very much.
+    Chairman Calvert. The gentleman is correct, however, you 
+know, there are still some burn marks from 1812 over at the 
+Capitol. We may have to send Virgin a bill for cleaning some of 
+that up.
+    Mr. Whitehorn. I would just like to add a couple of 
+comments to what Burt said there. We don't envision a problem 
+with the DDTC or with the Department of Defense. We are having 
+a robust and very friendly dialogue on this issue. But we have 
+made it clear to them that we are not planning to export the 
+vehicles, and we are planning to operate the vehicles only in 
+the USA to start with. But if you look at the marketplace, and 
+I think back to Burt's point about Boeing selling aircraft 
+around the world or Lockheed selling aircraft around the world, 
+the market for this is worldwide. Of the 29,000 people who have 
+registered that wish to pay the deposit, only 40 percent are 
+from the U.S. Now a lot of the people are going to be coming 
+from other parts of the world to fly in the U.S., but this 
+could be an export industry for the U.S. And you know, this 
+country has a balance of payments problem, there is no doubt 
+about it. And you know, you have to look to the methodologies 
+which you are adopting in terms of every aspect of export of 
+technology from this country, because, you know, it is the 
+export of technology, which is the lifeblood of an industrial 
+country. And at the moment, there are issues to deal with on 
+this front.
+    Chairman Calvert. I thank the gentleman.
+    Mr. Costa.
+    Mr. Costa. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman and the 
+Ranking Member for having this hearing today. I think it really 
+focuses on a very important growing technology that I think all 
+of us are excited about. And I, too, want to commend Burt Rutan 
+as the recipient, for the second time, of the Collier Trophy. 
+It just goes to show that kids that grow up in Silicon Valley 
+can do good, as a native not far away from Fresno. We are very 
+proud of all of those accomplishments, obviously.
+    I have two questions, and I think it was important in 
+your--both--Mr. Rutan, your testimony, and Mr. Whitehorn, to 
+remind us of the history of aviation in the 1920s and the 
+1930s. Douglas and Northrop and a little company in San Diego 
+called Ryan that built an airplane for a fellow named 
+Lindbergh, and how that whole relationship developed between 
+entrepreneurs who had a vision and had a dream to fly and the 
+partnerships, the public partnerships that later developed. 
+Obviously, if it weren't for the establishment of the Federal 
+Postal System giving contracts to the fledging airlines of 
+those days, because the passengers certainly weren't paying for 
+the airlines to come together, but if you could get a postal 
+route, it made a big difference. And that whole evolution 
+process, and I think there are certainly applicable lessons to 
+be learned as we develop this industry, as you so well stated, 
+Mr. Rutan, in your comments, and you as well, Mr. Whitehorn.
+
+                     Economics of Commercial Space
+
+    Two questions. One, and I don't know if you are yet at this 
+level in terms of developing your economic model. You talk 
+about 27,000-plus interested parties that have indicated, and 
+we hear the number thrown around about $200,000 per flight per 
+individual, and say, maybe half of those actually end up 
+purchasing a ticket. And you can do the math, obviously, but 
+have you done any economic models in terms of the multiple 
+impact? I spent some time in high-speed rail and others, and 
+they like to talk about a two-to-one factor, for every dollar 
+spent, there are $2 benefit in return in terms of the ripple 
+impact to other economic sectors or subcontractors or the like. 
+Have you developed anything like that yet at this point in 
+time?
+    Mr. Whitehorn. No, we haven't done it at this stage. I 
+mean, what we have done is we have taken Burt's costs in the 
+development of SpaceShipOne and some feasibility work that Burt 
+did for us last year before we signed the contract with them to 
+buy the technology. And we have modeled. We believe that with 
+it--for the expenditure of $120 million, we can get to a viable 
+business and that the early pioneers will pay $200,000 to fly 
+on this model, and we believe that by year five we can be 
+reducing those costs very considerably. And from the point of 
+view of the individuals, we believe that eventually we could 
+get it down to $25,000 or $30,000 after a number of years per 
+flight per person.
+    In terms of the economic impact outside of Virgin 
+Galactic's own business plan and Burt's own business is he uses 
+us as the launch customer, as Boeing would describe it. And our 
+status as a launch customer will obviously give Burt the basis 
+on which to invest in developing further projects. And we, in a 
+symbolic relationship, would envision ourselves developing an 
+orbital business eventually out of the Virgin Galactic 
+business.
+    My personal view is that the developments that we undertake 
+together, Burt as the manufacturer and ourselves as the 
+customer, will have a considerable effect on the industry as a 
+whole, on the space industry in the United States. NASA, for 
+example, you know, will be able to help us by being a customer. 
+But the reason they should come to us as a customer is because 
+we can do for them what needs to be done more efficiently than 
+they can do it themselves. And that is how public-private 
+partnerships work. One thing that the UK has actually excelled 
+in the past 20 years is privatizing its publicly owned 
+industrial structure and creating partnerships between the 
+public sector and the private sector. If you look at our 
+National Health Service in Britain, for example, it was run 
+like a Soviet operation 10 or 15 years ago. Everything was done 
+inside the health service. Now 10 billion pounds worth, so 
+about $20 billion worth, of contracts per year are let by the 
+National Health Service, which is a publicly owned institution, 
+to the private sector. I don't think NASA has gotten as far as 
+that in terms of its attitude to the private sector yet.
+    Mr. Costa. Yeah.
+    Mr. Whitehorn. But when it does, and when organizations, 
+such as NASA, buy in more and more from the private sector, as 
+this industry develops, and I don't mean the Lockheed or Boeing 
+private sector.
+    Mr. Costa. Right.
+    Mr. Whitehorn. I mean, not the primes, but the new industry 
+that emerges, I think you will see a ripple effect in terms of 
+investment. But it is too early to model that for the moment.
+    Mr. Costa. Thank you. And----
+    Mr. Rutan. Could I comment briefly on the launch customer 
+point that----
+    Mr. Costa. Sure.
+    Mr. Rutan.--Will made? I think it is extremely important to 
+us that we have a Virgin as a launch customer, because if I 
+would look back before Richard Branson's interest in this, my 
+business model assumed that this business would start off from 
+a low-credibility standpoint, both from developing and building 
+spaceships and for those that operate them. I didn't dream and 
+expect that a Jet Blue or a United or American Airlines would 
+come in and buy spaceships early in this game. I just--my gut 
+told me that they will pass on that. The fact that a major 
+world airline has stepped up and has told us that they want to 
+buy the first five spaceships and that they want to operate, 
+and they have already gone out and done market surveys and so 
+on, that fact that an airline, not just whatever else would--
+you would think would be there, has stepped up has given me the 
+ability to go out and get the investment that is needed to 
+develop and certify the spaceships. So I didn't expect that we 
+would start off from that strength. The fact that we have a 
+launch customer, which is a successful, major airline is 
+absolutely huge.
+    Mr. Whitehorn. I have to add, of course, that Virgin 
+Atlantic is just another normal airline. As they say in Denmark 
+about Carlsberg, it is probably the best airline in the world.
+    Mr. Costa. Mr. Chairman, I know my time has run out, but I 
+do have a technology application question that Mr. Rutan might 
+want to respond to later on to the Committee, but I--in terms 
+of the application of this technology, I know there has been a 
+lot of investment by NASA and by some other companies on 
+hypersonic space flight to bridge the continents, and I would 
+like to have a better understanding of whether or not there is 
+an application of this technology to that at a later stage. And 
+you can maybe do that in a written statement or whatever suits 
+the Chairman.
+    Chairman Calvert. Certainly. We could move into our next--
+Mr. Honda.
+    Mr. Honda. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Ranking Member.
+    Let me just piggyback on my colleague's question, and maybe 
+you could answer that question at the same time that--piggyback 
+on the question that I am going to ask.
+    First of all, I--you know, as a kid that grew up watching 
+Flash Gordon in his young adult, the--you know, Star Trek and 
+all of that sort of stuff, I find this subject very 
+interesting.
+    A quick comment on NASA. I think NASA will probably be in a 
+position to do more partnering if this Administration had the 
+foresight to invest more into the projects that we have, 
+because currently we are looking at massive cuts, and massive 
+cuts that would affect young people who would consider space 
+flight and manned space flight if we were to invest properly in 
+a more healthy way into this area. That is a personal comment, 
+because I agree with both of you that NASA has a great role to 
+play. And as a schoolteacher, I do believe that NASA has a role 
+to play in terms of education and primary research.
+
+                            Safety Concerns
+
+    Having said that, along with Mr. Costa's question, in terms 
+of research in manned space flights, do you believe that there 
+are--that humans can be subjected to unknown kinds of exposures 
+that we haven't even thought of as of yet that we should be 
+looking at in terms of safety and long-term safety, whether it 
+is intercontinental, high-speed, supersonic travel or orbital 
+space flights? What would be your reaction to that?
+    Mr. Rutan. Well, there is nothing that is unknown about 
+what we are going to put humans exposed to in order to have 
+this sub-orbital industry grow and be healthy. We know all of 
+the answers to those things. They are very straightforward. 
+They are very acceptable, and they are--you--by the way, you do 
+want to expose someone to forces in order for it to be fun. And 
+the--there are now showstoppers out there at all. Now as we 
+move on and go to the planets where you have long-term exposure 
+to radiation and so on, there are serious things that need 
+solutions, but that is not for the work that we are likely 
+going to be doing this decade. That is the next step. But I 
+don't see any roadblocks at all on technologies, and I don't--I 
+do not believe we need any research work done at NASA to 
+support the sub-orbital private space flight industry. I 
+believe when the private space flight industry moves to taking 
+people to the moon and the planets, NASA will be a very strong 
+player, because they do need to get back into their role of 
+doing basic research rather than running the airline. And I see 
+a big role for NASA as we go to low-Earth orbit, and 
+particularly as we go above low-Earth orbit. And I think Mr. 
+Musk will comment more on his, because he is working on orbit, 
+and we are not. But for this new industry that we have been 
+developing here on this panel, we don't see a role at all for 
+NASA.
+    Mr. Whitehorn. If I can just add to that, very quickly. I--
+one of the things we are working with the FAA at the moment is 
+the guidelines. And one of the guidelines is that we explain to 
+the customers exactly what the risks are. And those risks are 
+known, so the risk of----
+    Mr. Honda. Oh, okay.
+    Mr. Whitehorn.--gamma radiation, for example, will be 
+explained to the customers. And you know, you are talking about 
+a level of risk of a CT scan for a flight on a sub-orbital 
+craft.
+    Mr. Honda. So you have research on that, then?
+    Mr. Whitehorn. There is plenty of research on it, which 
+goes back decades now. And the research in the airline industry 
+and the research that was done around the introduction of 
+Concord back in the 1970s is all perfectly relevant to this 
+particular situation. I mean, the only risks we don't know 
+about is, you know, the possibility that we might meet aliens 
+since there will be several thousand flights rather than just a 
+few hundred over 40 years.
+    Mr. Honda. Well, that is a buzzword in this country.
+    Thank you.
+    Chairman Calvert. Thank you.
+    Mr. Wu.
+    Mr. Wu. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
+    I have a couple of questions, but I just want to start by 
+saying that, you know, my dad was in the aerospace industry. By 
+then, the industry was already fairly mature, and names like 
+Northrop and Boeing were institutions rather than individuals, 
+but by having an affection for whatever field I am in, I dig 
+into the history. And it was interesting for me to find the 
+individuals behind those institutions, and that was a romantic 
+era when the founders of these great institutions were first 
+starting their businesses.
+
+                            Return-to-Flight
+
+    I want to salute you all for your cutting-edge work, and I 
+truly believe that Mr. Whitehorn, Mr. Rutan, you and Mr. 
+Branson will be remembered in the aerospace pantheon with the 
+likes of Jack Northrop and others, and I really want to 
+recognize that.
+    And Mr. Rutan, it was a long time ago, but I made a 200-
+mile drive to see Voyager land in the Mojave Desert, and that 
+was one of the great moments of my life to see that aircraft 
+come in. It is just really terrific. I try to explain its 
+significance to my son when we see it at the Air and Space 
+Museum. He is less than completely impressed right now, but I 
+think--he is seven, and----
+    Mr. Rutan. I believe the Voyager pilot is with us in the 
+audience today, too, my brother, Dick.
+    Mr. Wu. Well, you flew it really nice, straight, and level 
+all of the way in. And you did walk away from the landing, 
+which is a very good thing. Thank you. It is very, very 
+impressive.
+    I really want to ask you all a couple of questions apart 
+from commercial space and what you have been working on, 
+because, you know, sometimes in the course of your work and 
+your extensive background, you can shed valuable light on other 
+organizations and other processes. And the two things I wanted 
+to check with you about are really NASA and federal programs.
+    As you know, the launch window for the next Shuttle opens 
+approximately May 15, and I was wondering if either of you, 
+particularly Mr. Rutan, but either of you, have any commentary 
+as you have observed. I mean, I know you all have been very 
+busy, but if you have observed the NASA return to space--return 
+to flight efforts, if you have any observations to share with 
+us. And then I have one other question after that.
+    Mr. Rutan. Well, I feel very privileged to have an 
+appointment this afternoon with the new NASA Administrator, 
+even though he has only been on the job a couple of days. So I 
+believe there is likely going to be major changes on what we 
+believe is ahead, and I would prefer to not guess, at least 
+until I have had a chance to give him my thoughts and to have a 
+better idea of what is likely to happen at NASA. But I believe 
+there will be major changes in what NASA's activities were 
+otherwise going to be because Mike Griffin is on board. So I 
+really don't think it would be appropriate for me to guess on 
+that until I have a little more information.
+    Mr. Whitehorn. I would like to make a general comment.
+    I think it is incredibly important for the future of space 
+that NASA returns to space flight. I think there is an enormous 
+psychological impact. And you know, one of the comments that 
+was made earlier was about in education. When I was brought up 
+as a young lad in Scotland, my parents told me that I would 
+probably go to space when I grew up and that they wouldn't be 
+alive to see it, but I would. The generation beyond my 
+generation grew up not believing they would ever go to space. 
+They ceased to believe it, because the whole attitude to space 
+became, ``Robots will do it, because robots are going to be 
+cheaper,'' and scientists decided that robots were where space 
+was going. And to be honest with you, the psychological impact 
+of that around the globe was that people actually stopped 
+believing in the whole idea of the exploration of space, 
+because why do human beings want to pay through their tax 
+dollars to fund something that they are never going to get the 
+chance to ever experience themselves? However, science has 
+moved on. Our understanding of our own planet has moved on 
+enormously in the last 20 years, and people have realized that 
+our tenure on this planet is pretty limited, that you know, 
+there will be catastrophic events that could damage 
+civilization itself, and that they happen on a more regular, 
+say, precept than we had thought of 30 or 40 years ago.
+    So the idea that we can't ever leave this planet is a 
+psychologically damaging one to the whole concept of 
+civilization, development, and science and technology itself. 
+So not only is this private sector venture incredibly 
+important, but also NASA's return to space flight is incredibly 
+important, and I think we should laud them for, hopefully, what 
+will be a great event around May the 15th or shortly 
+afterwards. And it was interesting, my son went to see 
+SpaceShipOne the Christmas before last. And he went back to his 
+school in England, and the schoolteacher was asking, ``What did 
+you do in the Christmas holidays?'' of all of the boys in the 
+class and the girls in the class. And he said he had been to 
+see the spaceship and his dad might be building one. And the 
+science teacher sent him out of the class. And the difference 
+between two years ago and now is that he has had a letter of 
+apology about that and--thanks to Burt succeeding in the X-
+Prize, and also, you know, if you look at the attitude to space 
+at the moment, the interest there was in the Mars mission, 
+because this government announced that you were going to intend 
+to go to Mars with human beings, and the worldwide coverage of 
+the Mars Explorer last year was dramatically different to the 
+previous coverage of the early missions to Jupiter, for 
+example, in the late '80s and early '90s, which didn't attract 
+that much public interest or attention. The fact that human 
+beings are going out beyond this planet is the incredibly 
+important principle that NASA has to re-establish and it is 
+doing so now, which is to be lauded.
+    Mr. Wu. Thank you very much.
+    And Mr. Chairman, with your forbearance, if I can get out 
+my second question.
+    The--if--and I look forward to hearing, Mr. Rutan, your 
+observations in private after you have had your meeting. And 
+Mr. Whitehorn, I completely agree with you about the importance 
+of NASA's return to flight. It has tremendous symbolic as well 
+as real significance, and I think the whole Nation, the whole 
+world, will be holding its breath. And that is why it is so 
+important.
+
+                            NASA Aeronautics
+
+    The other thing that gets a whole lot less attention and 
+that is that we talk all of the time about space, but we forget 
+about the aeronautics mission of NASA. And I was wondering if 
+either of you have views about whether NASA has under-
+emphasized its aeronautics mission perhaps at the expense of 
+either American competitiveness or world aviation.
+    Mr. Rutan. Well, before NASA, there was NACA. And NACA did, 
+indeed, support the industry by providing wind tunnels and 
+providing basic research, really very well focused on the kinds 
+of things that a manufacturer would need in order for him to go 
+out and build an airplane and compete and to build the 
+industry. NACA never did run an airline. NASA now is running 
+the only airline that America has in space. So it is a 
+considerably different thing. I don't think just by throwing 
+more funding to NASA you are going to get help on the 
+aeronautics. I think you are going to have to be specific, and 
+you are going to have to identify the resources that NASA has 
+for aeronautics, which one of the wind tunnels are critical, 
+and the ones that are critical need to be--remain open so that 
+the developers all of the way down to--all of the up from 
+Boeing and all of the way down to Scaled Composites can use 
+these facilities, because they are national assets that we have 
+spent money for.
+    In general, though, in terms of the research done at the 
+individual level, say, calculations and so on, at NASA, what 
+has happened is because the airline industry and the military 
+airplane development industry is so competitive, you will look 
+inside Northrop and Boeing and so on and you will find better 
+skills there of these technologies than you find looking inside 
+the labs at NASA. So I am not a proponent of keeping a lot of 
+that alive if it is not something that flows good information 
+out to the U.S. manufacturers. I don't see a benefit there. But 
+I think at least on the short term, we have got to make sure 
+that the wind tunnels that are important and the assets that 
+are important that the government owns, that they not be just 
+thrown away.
+    Mr. Whitehorn. I would agree with Burt's testimony.
+    I would also add that I think one of the issues that NASA 
+has had to face over the last 45 years is that it really hasn't 
+had a clear output specification of what it should be doing 
+from government on behalf of the people of the States. I mean, 
+it is, to me, very, very interesting that NASA had--if you look 
+at the 1970s and 1980s, it was very direction-less for a long 
+period of time. And it was also part of a Cold War that existed 
+between the Soviet Union and the USA, and people forget that 
+these days. It was forced to do things by government by using 
+tax dollars, which were part of the Cold War itself, rather 
+than part of the exploration of space. And I think NASA, for 
+the first time in, probably, two decades, has a very clear 
+direction at the moment, but it mustn't be thinking in that 
+clear direction about the mechanics of achieving it using the 
+ideas of the past. It mustn't get stuck into the rut of, 
+``Well, we have got to do this so we have got to build this 
+type of rocket, because that is the way you do it.'' It should 
+really be thinking about, you know, if the best way to do it is 
+to build something out of paper mache and send it into space, 
+because that will work more effectively and be more cost-
+effective and safer, then that is the way we should think about 
+doing it. And I think that attitude and that cultural change in 
+NASA you can definitely see happening at the moment from the 
+outside.
+    Chairman Calvert. I thank the gentleman. I thank the 
+gentleman for his questions.
+    Mr. Wu. I thank the witness, and I thank the Chairman for 
+his forbearance.
+    Chairman Calvert. Okay. We are spending a little more time 
+on this panel than we expected, but it is very interesting. Mr. 
+Bartlett has joined us. Does the gentleman have any other 
+questions or----
+    Mr. Bartlett. I am sorry I couldn't have been here for the 
+whole hearing. Thank you all very much for coming.
+    Are you making an argument, maybe, that you ought to be--we 
+ought to be rethinking NASA and its mission when you note that 
+the aeronautical area has--now has large companies, very 
+competitive, that are able to attract skills that it is 
+difficult for the government to match? I have a general 
+philosophy that government needs to be only where they need to 
+be, and if we don't need to be in an area, maybe we shouldn't 
+be there.
+    Mr. Rutan. Well, I don't think that it is NASA's role to do 
+development, and I don't think it is NASA's role to run an 
+airline or a spaceline. I think it is NASA's role to do basic 
+research to discover--to allow the discovery of breakthroughs. 
+The problem that we have is if you define research, like I 
+think it should be defined, and that is if there is something 
+out there that you are trying to achieve and you want to put 
+funding in to achieve it, if half of the people that look at 
+that goal look at it from the standpoint of, ``Oh, man, that is 
+tough. And, God, it would be neat if you could do it, and I 
+think you can do it.'' And then the other half of the 
+technologies looked at--technologists look at that and they 
+say, ``Well, hell, that is impossible.'' Okay. I believe at 
+that level, then to go after it, you are doing research. But if 
+everybody says, ``Oh, yeah, that will work, and we are just 
+here to kind of refine it,'' then all you are doing is 
+development. And that is my argument with this exploration 
+program now is they are not out there looking for the 
+breakthroughs. They are not out there looking for things that 
+can make big differences. They are really--NASA is doing 
+development, because NASA, in general, and it may be somewhat 
+of things imposed by them by accident committees. It may be 
+some things that are imposed on it by you folks who pass out 
+their money. But they just flat are scared to death of failure, 
+and if they are scared to death of failure, you are incapable 
+of doing research. I think NASA ought to be funded to do 
+research to support America's airline industry and America's 
+military development industry, and that means that most of what 
+they do are things that are expected to fail. And that takes a 
+whole different culture and a whole different idea. That is 
+what NASA ought to do.
+    Mr. Bartlett. I come from a science background. I 
+appreciate very much your understanding that there is no 
+unsuccessful experiment.
+    Mr. Rutan. Right.
+    Mr. Bartlett. If it doesn't work, that is a success. You 
+learn----
+    Mr. Rutan. Right.
+    Mr. Bartlett.--that it doesn't work, so you have got to try 
+something else next time.
+    Mr. Rutan. And if you are afraid to fly it, you never learn 
+anything.
+    Mr. Bartlett. That is right. You know, and people who don't 
+come from a science background have a lot of trouble 
+understanding that, that there is no unsuccessful experiment. 
+If it didn't work, it didn't work, so we will try something 
+else next time.
+    But for people who are--who want to avoid failure, they see 
+an experiment that--where you didn't prove your hypothesis, 
+where the data did not support your hypothesis, they see that 
+as a failure, and so they don't want to do it. And when you 
+have that kind of timidity, you are not going to push the 
+envelope very far very fast.
+    Mr. Rutan. The X-34 is a very good example. Here is 
+something that was funded all of the way through, essentially 
+ready to fly, and then was not flown because it was deemed to 
+be risky. And you know what happened shortly after we had some 
+failures in some Mars missions, and they decided, ``Listen, we 
+don't like it, because it is risky, so we don't fly it.'' And 
+that is, essentially, what happened. If they had have flown 
+that and made a smoking hole in the desert, you would learn 
+something from it. When you don't fly it, you have wasted all 
+of your money and you have defined certain failure of your 
+goals.
+    Mr. Bartlett. I appreciate your concern.
+    Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
+    Chairman Calvert. I thank the gentleman.
+    I certainly thank this panel. Mr. Rutan, again, 
+congratulations for your accomplishments.
+    Mr. Whitehorn, thank you for putting some risk capital 
+behind this, and that is what entrepreneurship is all about.
+    I am going to have a question--a couple of questions, one 
+that I will--because we--in the interest of time, about the 
+long-term prospects for space tourism on full orbital flights. 
+And if I can put that in writing to you and get a written 
+response what kind of technologies need to be developed and 
+what do you see is a timeline for something like that.
+    With that, again, thank you very much for your testimony. 
+It is very interesting. We have spent more time on this than we 
+thought, but you were very kind to stay here, and it was very 
+interesting for us. Thank you very much.
+    Mr. Rutan. Thank you.
+    Chairman Calvert. Okay. Our next panel: Mr. Elon Musk is 
+the CEO and Chief Technology Officer for Space Exploration 
+Technologies, SpaceX; Mr. John W. Vinter is Chairman of the 
+International Space Brokers, ISB; Mr. Wolfgang Demisch, the 
+founder of Demisch Associates, LLC, Aerospace Financial 
+Analyst; and Dr. Molly Macauley, Senior Fellow and Director of 
+Academic Programs at Resources for the Future.
+    Of course, Mr. Musk is known for inventing, what is it, 
+PayPal and very successful and now is investing his money in 
+something that is even more interesting, and that is space 
+exploration.
+    With that, Mr. Musk, we are going to try to stay on our 
+traditional schedule now of five minutes of testimony and five 
+minutes for questions. We kind of let that go with the last 
+panel, but we are going to stick to it this time.
+    So Mr. Musk, thank you very much for coming, and you may 
+begin your testimony.
+
+                               Panel II:
+
+STATEMENT OF MR. ELON MUSK, CHAIRMAN AND CEO, SPACE EXPLORATION 
+                     TECHNOLOGIES (SPACEX)
+
+    Mr. Musk. All right. Thank you. There we go. All right.
+    Chairman Calvert, distinguished Members of the Committee, 
+thank you for having me here. It is an honor to be here.
+    I will address the questions as directly as possible.
+    The first one is: ``What is the SpaceX business plan?''
+    SpaceX is dedicated to improving the reliability and cost 
+of access to space for the greater purpose of helping us become 
+a space-faring civilization one day. Without dramatic 
+improvement in those two inseparable metrics, cost and 
+reliability, we will never exceed the great deeds our Nation 
+accomplished for all humanity with the Apollo program.
+    Although the ultimate goal of SpaceX is to provide heavy-
+lift, super-heavy lift, in fact, and manned launch vehicles, we 
+have chosen to focus our initial efforts on a small rocket 
+capable of launching satellites to low-Earth orbit. This 
+vehicle, the Falcon I, is effectively a sub-scale technology 
+test bed, ensuring that the inevitable areas of development 
+occur at a small scale and without people on board.
+    However, the Falcon I, which has the lowest cost per flight 
+in the world, and is entirely American built, is also showing 
+strong market demand in its own right. We already have three 
+firm contracts for launch and expect to close another two 
+before Falcon I performs its maiden flight later this year. 
+Once Falcon I has a few flights under its belt and the 
+satellite producers have time to adjust, I think it is quite 
+possible that there will be more flights of Falcon I than any 
+other orbital launch vehicle in the world.
+    It is also worth noting that the Falcon I is the only semi-
+reusable rocket in the world, apart from the Space Shuttle. 
+However, reusability is not currently factored into the price. 
+As we refine that process, we may be able to make further cost 
+reductions and hope to make further cost reductions in the cost 
+per flight of Falcon I. As far as reliability is concerned, the 
+Futron Corporation, which is used extensively by NASA and the 
+FAA, concluded that the Falcon I, despite being low cost, had 
+the second highest design reliability of any American rocket. 
+It was tied with the most reliable version of the Boeing Delta 
+IV and Lockheed Atlas V. The highest design reliability rank 
+was held by our Falcon V design, which will be the only 
+American rocket that can lose any engine or motor and still 
+complete its mission, which I think is really quite crucial.
+    The Falcon V, scheduled for first flight next year, is a 
+medium-lift rocket designed to carry people as well as 
+satellites. As such, the design margins will meet or exceed the 
+NASA requirements for manned spacecraft. In fact, my current 
+instruction to the design crew is that they exceed the NASA 
+specs. My hope is that this vehicle will provide the United 
+States with an all-American means of transporting astronauts to 
+orbit and ensure that we are beholding to no one once the Space 
+Shuttle retires.
+    All in all, I see an increasingly positive future for 
+commercial space activities over the next five to 10 years.
+    But what should the government do or not do to encourage 
+the nascent commercial space industry?
+    The most important thing that the government should do is 
+adopt a nurturing and supportive attitude towards new 
+entrepreneurial efforts. In particular, the government should 
+seek to purchase early launches as well as offer prizes for 
+concrete achievements. Evidence for the tremendous power of 
+prizes can be found throughout history, most recently, 
+obviously, with the X-Prize and the best evidence being the 
+prior panel.
+    Regarding purchasing early launches, the Defense Department 
+has been very supportive and has done the right thing at every 
+level, purchasing two of the four launches we have sold to 
+date. But regrettably, NASA has not yet procured a launch and 
+has provided less financial support than the Malaysian Space 
+Agency, who has bought and paid for a flight on Falcon I.
+    However, I am very much heartened by the recent 
+confirmation of Dr. Griffin as the new NASA Administrator. I am 
+confident that his outstanding technical ability, dedication, 
+and diverse experience will invigorate our space program. With 
+a finite budget and entrenched interests to fight, Dr. Griffin 
+will be forced to make some difficult decisions in the year 
+ahead. I urge Congress to give its full support to Dr. Griffin 
+when he does so.
+    As far as what the government should not do, I think it is 
+important to minimize the regulatory burden required for space 
+launch activities. And a comment made by Mr. Rohrabacher early 
+on regarding the ITAR rules and having ITAR apply only to 
+certain countries and not to others with--you know, we are in 
+close military alliance, I think makes a lot of sense. But 
+right now, we have the greatest difficulty just dealing with 
+people from New Zealand and from the UK and from Canada. I 
+mean, for goodness sake, it just becomes a bit silly. I really 
+think we need to--there is an urgent need for reform in that 
+area. I think, unfortunately, the American industry is really 
+being harmed by this. And so it--but in general, we should do 
+no more than is necessary to protect the uninvolved public, I 
+think, as far as regulation is concerned. It sometimes seems to 
+me that our society is paving the road to hell one regulation 
+at a time.
+    And are there implications for the commercial space 
+industry as you see it in the President's announced Vision for 
+Space Exploration?
+    Well, the NASA budget is unlikely to see significant 
+increases in years ahead, and in fact, will face severe 
+pressure from entitlements just when we really need to spend 
+money on the moon and Mars in, say, 10 or 20 years. Compounding 
+the problem, U.S. launch prices have been increasing every 
+year. So this places NASA in a financial vice, a continually 
+tightening financial vice.
+    Unless we can reverse the trend of rising costs, we are 
+going to accomplish less and less every year. So therefore, the 
+only way that our country can meet the President's Vision, or 
+really, any interesting objectives in space, is to encourage 
+the development of new, low-cost access to space. If we can't 
+afford to get there, the Vision will remain--or will become 
+nothing more than a mirage.
+    [The prepared statement of Mr. Musk follows:]
+
+                    Prepared Statement of Elon Musk
+
+    Chairman Calvert and distinguished Members of the Committee, thank 
+you for inviting me to testify today on Future Markets for Commercial 
+Space. It is an honor to be here.
+
+What is the SpaceX Business Plan?
+
+    SpaceX is dedicated to improving the reliability and cost of access 
+to space for the greater purpose of helping us become a true space-
+faring civilization. Without dramatic improvement in those two 
+inseparable metrics, we will never exceed the great deeds our nation 
+accomplished for all humanity with the Apollo program.
+    Although the ultimate goal of SpaceX is to provide super-heavy lift 
+and manned launch vehicles, we have chosen to focus our initial efforts 
+on a small rocket capable of launching satellites to low-Earth orbit. 
+This vehicle, the Falcon I, is effectively a sub-scale technology test 
+bed, ensuring that the inevitable errors of development occur on a 
+small scale and without people on board.
+    However, the Falcon I, which has the lowest cost per flight in the 
+world for a production rocket and is entirely American built, is also 
+showing strong market demand in its own right. We already have three 
+firm contracts for launch and expect to close another two before Falcon 
+I performs its maiden flight later this year. Once the Falcon I has a 
+few flights under its belt and the satellite producers have time to 
+adjust, I think it is quite possible that there will be more flights 
+per year of Falcon I than any other vehicle in the world.
+    It is also worth noting that the Falcon I is the only semi-reusable 
+rocket in the world, apart from the Space Shuttle. However, reusability 
+is not currently factored into the price. As we refine that process, 
+the cost of Falcon I will decline over time. As far as reliability is 
+concerned, the Futron corporation, which is used extensively by NASA 
+and the FAA, concluded that Falcon I had the second highest design 
+reliability of any American rocket. It was tied with the most reliable 
+version of the Boeing Delta IV and Lockheed Atlas V. The highest design 
+reliability rank was held by our Falcon V design, which will be the 
+only American rocket that can lose any engine or motor and still 
+complete its mission.
+    The Falcon V, scheduled for first flight next year, is a medium 
+lift rocket designed to carry people as well as much larger satellites. 
+As such, the design margins will meet or exceed NASA requirements for 
+manned spacecraft. My hope is that this vehicle will provide the United 
+States with an all American means of transporting astronauts to orbit 
+and ensure that we are beholden to no one once the Shuttle retires.
+    All in all, I see an increasingly positive future for commercial 
+space activities over the next five to ten years.
+
+What should the government do or not do to encourage the nascent 
+                    commercial space industry?
+
+    The most important thing that the government should do is adopt a 
+nurturing and supportive attitude towards new entrepreneurial efforts. 
+In particular, the government should seek to purchase early launches as 
+well as offer prizes for concrete achievements. Evidence for the 
+tremendous power of prizes can be found throughout history, most 
+recently with the X-Prize.
+    Regarding purchasing early launches, the Defense Department has 
+been very supportive and has done the right thing at every level, 
+purchasing two of the four launches we have sold to date. Regrettably, 
+however, NASA has not yet procured a launch and has provided less 
+financial support than the Malaysian Space Agency, who has bought and 
+paid for a flight on Falcon I.
+    However, I am very much heartened by the recent confirmation of Dr. 
+Griffin as the new NASA Administrator. I am confident that his 
+outstanding technical ability, dedication and diverse experience will 
+invigorate our space program. With a finite budget and entrenched 
+interests to fight, Dr. Griffin will be forced to make some difficult 
+decisions in the years ahead. I urge Congress to give its full support 
+to Dr. Griffin when he does so.
+    As far as what the government should not do, I think it is 
+important to minimize the regulatory burden required for space launch 
+activities. We should do no more than is necessary to protect the 
+uninvolved public. It sometimes seems to me that our society is paving 
+the road to hell one regulation at a time.
+
+Are there implications for the commercial space industry as you see it 
+                    in the President's announced Vision for Space 
+                    Exploration?
+
+    The NASA budget is unlikely to see significant increases in coming 
+years and in fact will face severe pressure from entitlements in the 
+next decade. Compounding the problem, U.S. launch prices from existing 
+contractors are increasing every year, sometimes significantly.
+    Unless we can reverse the trend of rising costs, NASA will be 
+placed in a continually tightening financial vice, accomplishing less 
+and less each year. Therefore, the only way that our country can meet 
+the President's Vision in a meaningful way is by encouraging the 
+development of new, low cost access to space. If we can't afford to get 
+there, the Vision will become nothing more than a mirage.
+
+                        Biography for Elon Musk
+
+    Elon is the CEO & Chief Technology Officer of Space Exploration 
+Technologies (SpaceX), which is developing a family of launch vehicles 
+intended to reduce the cost and increase the reliability of access to 
+space ultimately by a factor of ten. The company officially began 
+operations in June 2002 and is located in the heart of the aerospace 
+industry in Southern California.
+    SpaceX is the third company founded by Mr. Musk. Prior to SpaceX, 
+he co-founded PayPal, the world's leading electronic payment system, 
+and served as the company's Chairman and CEO. PayPal has over sixty-
+five million customers in 38 countries, processes tens of billions 
+dollars per year and went public on the NASDAQ under PYPL in early 
+2002. Mr. Musk was the largest shareholder of PayPal until the company 
+was acquired by e-Bay for $1.5 billion in October 2002.
+    Before PayPal, Mr. Musk co-founded Zip2 Corporation in 1995, a 
+leading provider of enterprise software and services to the media 
+industry, with investments from The New York Times Company, Knight-
+Ridder, MDV, Softbank and the Hearst Corporation. He served as 
+Chairman, CEO and Chief Technology Officer and in March 1999 sold Zip2 
+to Compaq for $307 million in an all cash transaction.
+    Mr. Musk's early experience extends across a spectrum of advanced 
+technology industries, from high energy density ultra-capacitors at 
+Pinnacle Research to software development at Rocket Science and 
+Microsoft. He has a physics degree from the University of Pennsylvania, 
+a business degree from Wharton and originally came out to California to 
+pursue graduate studies in high energy density capacitor physics & 
+materials science at Stanford.
+
+    Chairman Calvert. I thank the gentleman for his testimony.
+    Mr. Vinter.
+    If the gentleman would turn on his microphone.
+
+STATEMENT OF MR. JOHN W. VINTER, CHAIRMAN, INTERNATIONAL SPACE 
+                            BROKERS
+
+    Mr. Vinter. Yes.
+    Good morning, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Members of the 
+Subcommittee, good morning as well.
+    My name is John Vinter, Chairman of International Space 
+Brokers. Our office is in Rosslyn, and we have subsidiary 
+offices in London and Paris. I am pleased to testify before the 
+Subcommittee.
+    My company represents a ``who's who'' of satellite users, 
+including, in the U.S., Intelsat, XM Satellite Radio, 
+Worldspace, AT&T, Bigelow, Kistler, and SpaceX. Additionally, 
+we represent SES Astra in Luxembourg, Telesat Canada, New Skies 
+Satellites in the Netherlands, Optus in Australia, Star One in 
+Brazil, and Singapore Telecom. We have also managed the third-
+party liability program for the Shuttle when they were flying 
+commercial missions.
+    I am also the Chairman of COMSTAC, the DOT's Commercial 
+Space Transportation Advisory Committee.
+    You have asked me today to address three questions: ``What 
+kind of activities does your company include for insurance 
+purposes in its definition of commercial space?'' ``As 
+insurance brokers, what do you see as the outlook for 
+commercial space activities in the next five years, 10 years? 
+How do you think we should avoid exaggerated expectations in 
+the industry, such as those that occurred in the low-Earth 
+orbit market in the late 1990s?'' and finally, ``What, if 
+anything, should the government do or not do to encourage 
+commercial space endeavors?''
+    With respect to commercial space, we include any space 
+activity which does not directly involve the U.S. Government as 
+an insured. We address satellite insurance and risk management 
+needs from ``cradle to grave.''
+    For us, commercial space begins with the arrival of people 
+or equipment at the various launch sites, continues through 
+launch, deployment, testing, and on-orbit operations of 
+satellites through the end of their expected lives. These are 
+the areas of risk where we spend the majority of our time and 
+where satellite owners spend the majority of their insurance 
+money. The launch itself is generally the riskiest and most 
+expensive phase of any commercial space endeavor. In simple 
+terms, our objective is to cover the risk of loss or damage to 
+the satellites, including failure of the launchers or failure 
+of the satellite to work according to the specifications. In 
+general, as a comment, the market wishes to see successful 
+first flights before insuring.
+    We also provide liability coverage for damages to third 
+parties caused by launch and related activities and accidents. 
+Again, commercial space insurance begins with arrival of 
+equipment or people at the launch site and continues through 
+on-orbit operations. As with the satellite coverage above, 
+activities prior to arrival at the launch site are best covered 
+in non-space insurance markets.
+    We also insure persons, for example, astronauts, tourist 
+visitors to the Space Station, and individuals who have flown 
+on the Shuttle. We also can insure various contingencies such 
+as acts of governments, and yes, we could probably even insure 
+a space prize.
+    As insurance brokers, what do you see the outlook for 
+commercial space in the next several years?
+    We see space activities evolving and growing, albeit not 
+very fast. The world's satellite manufacturers and launch 
+vehicle providers have considerable excess capacity. There does 
+not seem to be sufficient demand to absorb this excess in the 
+near future. For the next several years, we think there will be 
+approximately 15 to 20 commercial launches a year. We see, 
+however, more human activities in space, the X-Prize being the 
+first, and no doubt the America's Prize will be the second. And 
+other incentive programs I am sure will generate an increase in 
+activities.
+    I hope Mr. Rutan and Mr. Whitehorn, the other gentleman 
+from Virgin Galactic, are widely successful and very active. 
+The insurance community will be there for them, but it still 
+remains to be seen.
+    What, if anything, should the government do?
+    Well, with respect the government involvement to encourage 
+space endeavors, I offer the following. I would suggest the 
+government maintain the current liability risk-sharing regime 
+of private insurance, government indemnification in excess of 
+private insurance, and cross waivers. This regime was 
+established in the late '80s and was renewed last year for an 
+additional five-year period. This system, in my judgment, is 
+working very well. It has been adopted by non-U.S. launch 
+organizations. I know there are doubters, but I believe this is 
+very essential to the commercial launch business in the U.S.
+    I also would recommend we take another look at the 
+International Traffic in Arms Regulations as regards to 
+commercial space to see if they really achieve what they are 
+meant to achieve. We handle these matters for some of our 
+clients, and the people who review the matters for licensing 
+and monitoring are doing an excellent job and in a very timely 
+fashion. The practical impact is not so clear. From the 
+insurance point of view, this is an essential area, because 2/3 
+of the insurance market is located outside the country, and it 
+appears that the same underwriters show up on every program, 
+but they have to be individually cleared for every program. I 
+believe that the U.S. industry would benefit if the process can 
+be streamlined. I should also point out the whole process is 
+pushing satellite business overseas as non-U.S. operators find 
+it increasingly difficult to cope with the whole process.
+    I believe the use of government ranges and government 
+purchases of commercial space services, where feasible, seems 
+to be working well. I would, of course, defer to others, such 
+as Mr. Musk, for their comments.
+    In this age of deficit spending, I would be hesitant to 
+recommend additional public spending, but perhaps it could be 
+considered by way of providing seed money for promising new 
+technology.
+    This concludes my testimony. I will, of course, be pleased 
+to answer any questions. Thank you.
+    [The prepared statement of Mr. Vinter follows:]
+
+                  Prepared Statement of John W. Vinter
+
+    My name is John Vinter, Chairman of International Space Brokers, 
+Inc. My office is in Rosslyn, VA, and we have subsidiary offices in 
+London and Paris. I am pleased to testify before the House Committee on 
+Science, Subcommittee on Space and Aeronautics.
+    My company represents a ``Who's Who'' of satellite users, including 
+the following: In the U.S., Intelsat, XM Satellite Radio, Worldspace, 
+AT&T, Bigelow, and SpaceX. Additionally, we represent SES Astra in 
+Luxembourg, Telesat Canada, New Skies Satellites in the Netherlands, 
+Optus in Australia, Star One in Brazil, Singapore Telecom in Singapore, 
+and others. We also have managed the Shuttle third party liability 
+insurance program for NASA.
+    I am also the Chairman of COMSTAC, the Department of 
+Transportation's Commercial Space Transportation Advisory Committee, 
+advising the FAA's commercial space transportation office. In my 
+career, I have been fortunate, in separate career phases, to work for 
+both a satellite company having the need for insurance as well as an 
+underwriter company providing insurance coverages. Today, I am a broker 
+representing the above mentioned clients, and others, in the purchase 
+of insurance from the international space insurance market. You have 
+asked me to address the following questions:
+
+        1.  What kind of activities does your company include for 
+        insurance purposes in its definition of ``commercial space''?
+
+        2.  As insurance brokers, what do you see as the outlook for 
+        commercial space activities in the next five years? Next 10 
+        years? How do you think we should avoid exaggerated 
+        expectations for the industry, such as those that occurred in 
+        the low-Earth orbit (LEO) market in the late 1990s?
+
+        3.  What, if anything, should the Government do or not do to 
+        encourage commercial space endeavors?
+
+What kind of activities does your company include for insurance 
+                    purposes in its definition of ``commercial space''?
+
+    With respect to ``commercial space'' activities, we include any 
+space activity which does not directly involve the U.S. Government as 
+an insured. We address satellite insurance and risk management needs 
+from ``cradle to grave.''
+    For us, commercial space begins with the arrival of people or 
+equipment at the various launch sites, continues through launch, 
+deployment, testing, and on-orbit operations of satellites through the 
+end of their expected lives. These are the areas of risk and insurance 
+where we spend the majority of our time and where satellite owners 
+spend the majority of their insurance money. The launch itself is 
+generally the riskiest and most expensive phase of any commercial space 
+endeavor to insure. In simple terms, our objective is to cover risks of 
+loss or damage to the satellites, including failure of the launchers, 
+or failure of the satellite to work according to its specifications.
+    We also provide liability coverage for damages to third parties 
+caused by launch related and satellite operational accidents. Again, 
+commercial space insurance coverage begins with the start of launch 
+site activities and continues through on-orbit operations. As with the 
+satellite coverage above, activities prior to arrival at the launch 
+site are best covered in non-space insurance markets.
+    We also ensure persons, for example, the lives of various 
+astronauts and tourists/visitors to the Space Station, including 
+individuals who fly or have flown on the Shuttle.
+    From time to time, we also insure contingencies such as acts of 
+government, and other causes, that could affect the ability to launch 
+for various reasons.
+
+As insurance brokers, what do you see as the outlook for commercial 
+                    space activities in the next five years? Next 10 
+                    years? How do you think we should avoid exaggerated 
+                    expectations for the industry, such as those that 
+                    occurred in the low Earth orbit (LEO) market in the 
+                    late 1990s?
+
+    As brokers, we see space activities evolving and growing, albeit 
+not very fast. The world satellite manufacturers and launch vehicle 
+providers have considerable excess capacity at the moment. There does 
+not seem to be sufficient demand to absorb this excess in the near 
+future. For the next several years, it would appear there will be 
+approximately 15 to 20 commercial launches per year. We see, however, 
+more human activities in space, the X-Prize being the first of what is 
+expected to be a significant increase in the number of humans going 
+into space. I have no doubt that the America's Prize, and, hopefully, 
+other incentive programs will generate an increase in activities, 
+although it is hard to determine how long this will take.
+    Going into space is expensive and involves significant risk. The 
+implications of the low-Earth orbit projects in the late '90s adversely 
+affected the financial markets. I have no doubt that the financial 
+community will demand sound business plans before advancing significant 
+sums of money. As it is well known, space is very exciting and will be 
+the subject of much discussion. Unfulfilled expectations can't be 
+avoided. I do not know whether a solution will exist to deal with the 
+ups and downs of expectations. Perhaps getting together with the 
+insurance industry for their opinions may be of value in minimizing the 
+potential financial risks.
+
+What, if anything, should the government do or not do to encourage 
+                    commercial space endeavors?
+
+    With respect to government involvement to encourage space 
+endeavors, I offer the following thoughts.
+    I would suggest the government maintain the current liability risk 
+sharing regime of private insurance/government indemnification in 
+excess of private insurance and cross waivers. This regime was 
+established in the late 1980s and was renewed last year for an 
+additional five-year period (P.L. 108-428). This system, in my 
+judgment, is working very well and has been adopted by non-U.S. launch 
+service organizations. I know this regime has doubters but failure to 
+maintain this regime, I believe, in the long run could significantly 
+harm the U.S. commercial launch business.
+    I would also recommend that the International Traffic In Arms 
+Regulations, as regards to commercial space activities, be reviewed to 
+see if they really achieve what they are meant to achieve. We handle 
+these matters for some of our clients and the people who review such 
+matters for licensing and monitoring are doing an excellent job and in 
+a very timely fashion. The practical impact of these regulations should 
+be noted. From the insurance point of view, it is important to 
+recognize that two thirds of the market is located outside of the 
+country and the same underwriters appear on most of the programs. It 
+could benefit U.S. industry if the ITAR process can be streamlined. 
+However, I should point out the whole process is pushing satellite 
+business overseas as non-U.S. operators find it increasingly difficult 
+to cope with the process, particularly, in a tough competitive 
+environment.
+    I believe the use of government ranges and government purchases of 
+commercial space related services, where feasible, seems to be working 
+well. I would defer to others for their comments in this regard.
+    In this age of deficit spending, I would be hesitant to recommend 
+additional public expenditure for commercial space projects but perhaps 
+it could be considered by way of providing seed money for promising new 
+technology and so forth.
+    This concludes my testimony. I would, of course, be pleased to 
+answer any questions. Thank you for this opportunity.
+
+                      Biography for John W. Vinter
+
+Professional Background:
+
+    John Vinter is Chairman of International Space Brokers, Inc. (ISB). 
+He has been involved with virtually all aspects of satellite business 
+for over thirty years. Mr. Vinter was appointed to the Department of 
+Transportation's Commercial Space Transportation Advisory Committee 
+(COMSTAC) in January 2000. In July 2003, he was appointed as COMSTAC 
+Chairperson by FAA Administrator, Marion Blakey and assumed the 
+official duties of Chair at the last meeting in October 2003.
+    Mr. Vinter founded ISB in February 1991, in conjunction with three 
+prominent insurance brokerage organizations. Since its founding, ISB 
+has consistently maintained a 30-40 percent market share in this 
+business.
+    From March 1984 to February 1991, Mr. Vinter was responsible for 
+the space underwriting activities for INTEC (now AXA Space). INTEC was 
+the underwriting manager for CIGNA and a large number of insurers and 
+re-insurers worldwide. As Executive Vice President, Mr. Vinter was lead 
+underwriter for many of the world's major programs. His underwriting 
+activities were such that INTEC was able to achieve an underwriting 
+profit six out of seven years and a market share of 20-25 percent.
+    From August 1976 until February 1984, Mr. Vinter held a variety of 
+positions with Satellite Business Systems where he was Director of 
+Administration, Contracts and Procurement. In this capacity he was 
+responsible for Satellite Business Systems' business transactions 
+involving contractual relationships with its customers, contractors, 
+insurers and launching agencies. He was also responsible for the risk 
+management function of the company. In connection with this activity he 
+negotiated the contract for the first HS-376 satellite as well as the 
+first commercial Shuttle launch services agreement with NASA for which 
+he then purchased the first Shuttle third party liability and launch 
+insurance.
+    From July 1968 to August 1976, Mr. Vinter held a number of 
+management positions within Communications Satellite Corp. in which he 
+was responsible for the negotiation, procurement and administration of 
+major satellite and ground system procurements.
+
+Education:
+
+    John Vinter has an A.B. degree in Economics from Georgetown 
+University and a M.S. degree in Telecommunications Operations from 
+George Washington University.
+
+    Chairman Calvert. I thank the gentleman.
+    Mr. Demisch, you may begin your testimony.
+
+   STATEMENT OF MR. WOLFGANG H. DEMISCH, PRESIDENT, DEMISCH 
+                        ASSOCIATES, LLC
+
+    Mr. Demisch. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
+    Mr. Chairman, Members of the Subcommittee, and honored 
+guests, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you 
+today. My name is Wolfgang Demisch. I am a principal in Demisch 
+Associates LLC, a financial consultantcy in the aerospace 
+sector.
+    You have asked me to address the outlook of the commercial 
+space launch business as well as to forecast when space would 
+attract classic risk-reward investors to succeed the ``angel'' 
+investors, such as Paul Allen, who funded SpaceShipOne that we 
+see today. The goal is to help the Committee recommend what the 
+Congress could or should do to encourage commercial space 
+endeavors as called for in the NASA charter.
+    Your hearings come at a challenging time for commercial 
+space. The benefits of commercial space are just embedded in 
+the economy. They are taken for granted by anybody who goes for 
+a hike with a GPS, for instance, but they just haven't been 
+well rewarded in the financial area. To highlight the issue, 
+over the last four years, essentially all of the world's civil 
+communications fleet has changed hands for an aggregate price 
+roughly equal to one-year NASA budget. That has been a 
+disappointing return for the investors, and that is without 
+factoring the costs of things like Iridium or Beale or Kistler. 
+The only consolation is the buyers are probably a roll call of 
+the smartest investors in the world, people like KKR and 
+Carlyle and Apollo, and clearly, they see outstanding risk-
+reward in space right now, and but notably in the space 
+communication segment.
+    The fact that there are smart buyers for space 
+communication doesn't change the reality that access to space 
+remains too costly for most commercial endeavors. Price per 
+pound to low-Earth orbits in the $10,000 class, essentially 
+unchanged from the $1,000 a pound achieved by the Saturn V in 
+the 1970s. That translates, incidentally, on a tourism basis, 
+directly into the $20 million a head paid by the guys who flew 
+on the Russian boosters, and I might note that that was a 
+bargain. They didn't pay for life support. If NASA were to do 
+the same thing, if Congress was encouraging them, they would 
+probably have to charge five to eight times as much.
+    So I think the message is space launch is on a much lower 
+productivity track than microelectronics or computing, and that 
+is despite Congress's long-term funding support of new space 
+launch technology: the reusable Shuttle, the commercially-
+derived EELV. No savings were achieved. I am unaware, 
+regrettably, of any credible proposal for substantial cost 
+reductions. The propulsion breakthrough, which I think would be 
+necessary in the technical basis to achieve such a 
+breakthrough, isn't in sight. I think it would be prudent to 
+set policy on the basis that no substantial launch cost 
+reductions are to be expected.
+    It will stay expensive until we get something like the 
+proposed space elevator that Clarke, among others, has written 
+about. I think that is a plausible technology, and so I 
+enthusiastically applaud NASA's Centennial Challenge program, 
+which will help mobilize the need of talents and materials and 
+power technology that would underpin that kind of a 
+transformation. And I think that is worthy of your support, but 
+in the interim, I think it will remain uneconomic to send up 
+anything other than information up and down from space. Absent 
+some astonishingly serendipitous discovery, a cancer cure, for 
+instance, space access, I think, would grow in line with the 
+general economy.
+    And I think the more promising approach to improving the 
+efficiency of space flight is to accept that it is hugely 
+costly; about 10 pounds of space payload is equal to one man 
+year at current engineering rates, and at that price, it is 
+really worthwhile to invest to shrink the payload weight that 
+is needed to perform a specific task. NASA has used this 
+technique with pretty good success to trim the mission costs of 
+its interplanetary probes. And while it has limitations, 
+because, you know, antenna size and also people don't scale 
+down like they might, nevertheless, it is pretty powerful, 
+especially when you combine several satellites in the station 
+keeping system to ambulate the performance of a bigger 
+platform. There is lots of space for better improvement: better 
+batteries, better solar cells, lighter structures, more 
+efficient communications, and has direct spinout both to the 
+military as well as eventually to the larger economy. I think 
+that that kind of effort deserves your support.
+    In general, I have to say Congress has been consistently 
+supportive of commercial space. It has shied away from the kind 
+of direct operating incentives we saw in the beginning of the 
+civil air transport industry, but nevertheless, Congress has 
+been very generous. I consider, for instance, you know, the 
+duopoly allocation for the satellite radio business or, for 
+that matter, the enormous frequency allocation, which was 
+granted Teledesic when they had their broadband project, and 
+those kind of in-kind supports that is essentially the modern 
+day equivalent of land grants to the railroads that financed 
+the transcontinental railroads in the 19th century. I think it 
+is important, but I think it is inadequate, to catalyze a major 
+new industry of the scope and stability that is needed to 
+transform commercial space into the kind of risk-reward 
+investor as opposed to ``angel'' investor area that you are 
+seeking. Commercial space today is centered on communications 
+and broadcasts and the new broadcasts are being brought into 
+service, like XM Radio and Sirius, and as that happens, 
+existing services, like DirectTV, get forwarded into larger 
+media powerhouses and the investment feasts on those 
+enterprises is not controlled by the space investment. It is 
+controlled by other factors.
+    I do think there are other drivers for commercial space 
+initiatives that respond to Congressional mandates regarding 
+national security, for instance. It is interesting that right 
+now there is no effective surveillance of the millions of 
+containers that flow across our borders. In fact, industry 
+can't even find about 1/3 of them. So the TSA and Customs have 
+begun to institute some monitoring. These are big boxes, you 
+know, I mean, sort of house-sized, able to contain anything, 
+germ warfare labs. The monitoring doesn't really watch these 
+trailer-sized structures either while they are in transit or 
+when they are in the U.S. There are proposals for satellites to 
+offer that capability to maintain that watch worldwide. It 
+requires each container be equipped with a suitable black box 
+that checks its status and reports intrusions. And once that is 
+there, there is also, of course, obvious commercial spin-offs 
+from that. You can monitor the environment. You can monitor the 
+temperature. You can check the--see that the product quality is 
+maintained. When you have a container of beer and it goes to 
+160 degrees, it is probably not going to be good beer. But it 
+also gives you a straight commercial payoff. You can include 
+the documentation for fast Customs clearance.
+    That kind of monitoring, I think, will be routine in the 
+decade, because it responds--is driven by a pressing security 
+need. There are other initiatives, for example, to switch a lot 
+more of the air traffic control to satellite-based navigation 
+and communications. That will take longer. But I think that 
+getting the infrastructure support, which provides steady and 
+reliable revenues, that is the kind of thing risk-reward 
+investors seek and will accept. I think that may begin the 
+transition the Committee is talking about.
+    Thank you for your attention. I am available for any 
+questions.
+    [The prepared statement of Mr. Demisch follows:]
+
+               Prepared Statement of Wolfgang H. Demisch
+
+    Mr. Chairman, Members of the Subcommittee, honored guests. Thank 
+you very much for the opportunity to appear before you today. My name 
+is Wolfgang Demisch, I am a principal in Demisch Associates LLC, a 
+financial consultancy oriented towards the aerospace sector and I have 
+been active in aerospace financial matters since the early 1970's.
+    You have asked me to address the outlook for the commercial space 
+launch business, as well as to forecast when space would attract 
+classic risk-reward investors to succeed the `angel' investors we see 
+today, investors such as Paul Allen, who funded the Spaceship 1 
+development. The goal is to help the Committee recommend what the 
+Congress could or should do to encourage commercial space endeavors, as 
+called for in the NASA charter.
+    Your hearings come at a challenging time for commercial space. 
+While the benefits of commercial space are now so embedded in our 
+economy that they are taken for granted by anyone who goes on a hike 
+with a GPS, to give just one example, they have not been well rewarded 
+in the financial arena. To highlight the problem, over the past four 
+years, the bulk of the world's civil communications satellite fleet has 
+changed hands, for an aggregate price roughly equal to one year's NASA 
+budget. This represents a disappointing return to the industry 
+sponsors; even without factoring in the additional losses on 
+restructured projects such as Iridium or the costs of now quiescent 
+launch ventures such as Beale or Kistler. The consolation, if any, is 
+that the buyers, firms such as KKR, Carlyle and Apollo, are almost a 
+roll call of the world's most astute investors. Their actions 
+demonstrate that they see outstanding risk-reward value in commercial 
+space, notably the communications segment, where substantial purchases 
+could be made.
+    That commitment to space based communications however does not 
+invalidate the painful reality that access to space remains too costly 
+for most commercial endeavors.
+    At present, the price per pound to low Earth orbit is in the 
+$10,000/lb class, depending on the vehicle. It is not much changed, on 
+an inflation adjusted basis, from the roughly $1000/lb achieved by the 
+Saturn V booster in the 1970's. Today's price translates readily into 
+the $20 million fare paid to Russia by the first space tourists, who 
+arguably got a bargain, as their life support and training was 
+included. NASA would have to charge several times as much to cover its 
+costs, if the Congress were ever to encourage such a use of NASA's 
+fleet.
+    Clearly space launch costs are on a much lower productivity track 
+than the microelectronics or computing sectors. This is so despite 
+Congress' solid support of cost reduction efforts, first with the 
+reusable Space Shuttle, then with the commercially derived EELV, 
+neither of which achieved the savings anticipated. Regrettably, I am 
+unaware of any credible proposal to achieve the desired substantial 
+cost reductions. The propulsion breakthrough, which would be a 
+prerequisite for a much better cost performance, is not in sight. Hence 
+it would seem prudent to set policy on the basis that no substantial 
+launch cost reductions are to be expected.
+    Access to space will stay expensive until we can achieve something 
+like the proposed space elevator that Arthur C. Clarke, among others, 
+has written about. This seems a plausible technology. Consequently, I 
+enthusiastically applaud NASA's Centennial Challenge program, which 
+will, I believe, help mobilize the needed talents to realize the 
+materials and power technologies that underpin such a transformative 
+capability. This effort, although still far from fruition, is worthy of 
+your consideration in my view.
+    In the interim, perhaps for the next two or three decades, it will 
+remain uneconomic to send anything other than information up into or 
+back down from space. This suggests that absent some astonishingly 
+serendipitous discovery, a cancer cure for instance, entry to space 
+will grow about in line with the general economy, rather than some 
+multiple thereof. It also suggests that there is not much to be gained 
+from an effort to force feed the launch sector
+    A more promising approach to improving the economic efficiency of 
+space flight, in my opinion, is to accept that space payload is hugely 
+costly, 10 pounds per man-year at current engineering rates. At that 
+price, it is worthwhile to invest to shrink the payload weight needed 
+to perform the desired task. NASA has used this technique with 
+considerable success to trim the mission cost of its interplanetary 
+probes. While the approach has limitations, because of antenna size and 
+power requirements, because of packaging constraints as well as because 
+of people life support needs for manned systems, it is surprisingly 
+powerful, especially when considering that several smaller spacecraft 
+can cooperate to emulate the performance of a larger platform. There is 
+plenty of scope for payload improvement, including better sensors, more 
+efficient solar cells and batteries, lighter structures and more 
+efficient communications. The product applications exists in the 
+broader defense market as well as in space, plus such improvements 
+eventually find application in the larger economy. While unglamorous, 
+such initiatives are well suited to the NASA culture and likewise 
+deserve your continued support.
+    Congress has been consistently supportive of commercial space. 
+While it has thus far shied away from the kind of aggressive operating 
+incentives that early in the last century helped bring the national air 
+transport system into existence, Congress has been generous, even 
+beyond the massive launch vehicle investments. For instance, Congress 
+allowed duopoly positions for the satellite radio business, just as it 
+blessed the enormous frequency allocation granted Teledesic to support 
+their space based broadband project.
+    Such in kind support, reminiscent of the land grants that financed 
+the transcontinental railroads in the 19th century, remains an 
+important component for commercial space ventures, but appears 
+inadequate to catalyze major new industries of the scope and stability 
+needed to transform commercial space into a risk-reward investor's area 
+of interest. Commercial space enterprises are currently centered on the 
+communications and broadcast sectors. While there have been new 
+services brought into being here, most recently the direct radio 
+broadcasters Sirius and XM Radio, others such as DirecTV have been 
+acquired by larger media powerhouses. For these entities, space is a 
+minor component of the overall investment thesis.
+    There may however be other drivers for commercial space, 
+initiatives that respond to Congressional mandates regarding national 
+security for instance. For example, there is not at present any 
+effective surveillance of the millions of containers that flow across 
+our borders. While the TSA and U.S. Customs have begun to institute 
+some monitoring, both at the point of origin as well as at the port of 
+entry, there is no watch on these trailer sized structures while in 
+transit or while in the U.S. Satellites offer the capability to 
+maintain that watch worldwide, provided each container is equipped with 
+a suitable black box that checks its status and reports intrusions. 
+This type of self-assessment is of course readily extended to include 
+measurements of commercial interest, such as temperature or vibration, 
+which then facilitates better product quality control, as well as of 
+course electronic documentation for faster and easier customs 
+clearance.
+    Such monitoring will, in my view, be a matter of routine within the 
+decade, because it responds to a more pressing security need. Other 
+initiatives, for instance to shift much more of the air traffic control 
+responsibility to satellite based navigation and communications links, 
+will take longer to achieve broad acceptance. However, services such as 
+these, providing critical infrastructure support, appear to be the kind 
+of reliable revenue generators that risk-reward investors eagerly 
+accept. They may begin the transition the Committee asked about.
+    Thank you for your attention.
+
+                   Biography for Wolfgang H. Demisch
+
+    Mr. Demisch is an owner of Demisch Associates LLC, an aerospace 
+financial consultancy. He has over 30 years experience as an analyst 
+and banker in the Aerospace and Technology sectors. While a research 
+analyst covering aerospace and computer technology, he frequently was 
+ranked a leader in these fields by Institutional Investor Magazine. He 
+later established and managed the U.S. Equity Research department for 
+UBS. He subsequently moved to the investment banking side of the 
+business, where he helped implement transactions such as the 2002 
+purchase of GE Americom by Societe Europeenne des Satellites. He has 
+served on the NASA Advisory Council and numerous NASA panels, including 
+small satellite technology, space station alternatives and commercial 
+uses of space. In 2003 he established Demisch Associates LLC to provide 
+advisory services for investors considering acquisitions in the 
+aerospace and technology sectors. A frequent guest on financial TV and 
+speaker at industry meetings, he is a member of Wall Street Week with 
+Louis Rukeyser's Hall of Fame. He has served on the Board of Directors 
+of SAIC, an employee-owned professional services company, since 1991. 
+He is a graduate of Princeton University and the Harvard Business 
+School.
+
+    Chairman Calvert. Thank you.
+    Dr. Macauley, you may begin your testimony.
+
+STATEMENT OF DR. MOLLY K. MACAULEY, SENIOR FELLOW AND DIRECTOR, 
+          ACADEMIC PROGRAMS, RESOURCES FOR THE FUTURE
+
+    Dr. Macauley. Thank you.
+    Good morning, Mr. Chairman, and Members of this 
+subcommittee. Thank you for the opportunity to join you today.
+    Much of the discussion this morning has centered on getting 
+things and people into space. I have been asked to broaden 
+discussion a bit to consider these as well as other kinds of 
+activities included in the commercial space industry. I have 
+also been asked to discuss U.S. leadership in these activities, 
+and probably most important, the role of government, including 
+what government should not do in encouraging commercial space.
+    My written comments address all of these three topics, and 
+they have some very specific discussion of past regulatory and 
+legislative initiatives, the legislative initiatives taken and 
+spearheaded by this subcommittee. And the testimony also has 
+some detailed discussion about directions for the future.
+    So, in the interest of time, I will just summarize the 
+general themes here.
+    And I offer my comments with a great deal of humility. I am 
+not a pioneer in building space technology and making a 
+business work like my colleagues this morning. So I offer my 
+comments with humility. What I and other analysts try to do, 
+though, is innovate in the case of public policy. And actually, 
+in the past couple of years, there has been a great deal of 
+innovation in public policy in the U.S. Government at the 
+Federal, State, and local level, and these have direct 
+applicability to space policy making.
+    Generally, they are incentive-based approaches. They 
+generally work. They generally work well. In particular, what 
+they try to do is to minimize the costs imposed on industry, 
+but, at the same time, do some of the things government is 
+supposed to do, such as protecting the environment to some 
+degree, providing some reasonable amount of worker or consumer 
+safety, generally provide opportunities but without dictating 
+choice, and in short, to balance the interests of the taxpayer 
+with specific interests of industry.
+    So some of these examples of policy innovations, say, in 
+the last decade have been highly successful tradable permits in 
+the case of industries that have to meet environmental 
+regulation, auctions of portions of the electromagnetic 
+spectrum by the Federal Communications Commission to improve 
+access to and use of spectrum, vouchers to permit consumer 
+choice, the move towards performance standards meeting a level 
+of overall performance rather than government dictating exactly 
+how every nut and bolt used by industry should comply with 
+safety regulations, and of course the role of prizes and cash 
+incentives.
+    I think it is very important to point out that government 
+policy making for space in the form of Congressional 
+legislation, again spearheaded by this subcommittee in the 
+past, as well as some presidential policy directives and some 
+regulation of various commercial space activities has, in many 
+cases, already promulgated incentive-based policies like these. 
+We already have on the books some provisions for space 
+transportation vouchers. In some cases, we are moving towards 
+performance standards. There are provisions for government 
+purchases of Earth and space science data and space 
+transportation services and now, most recently, we are 
+experimenting with prizes. In all cases, the statutory intent 
+has been to support commercial space.
+    Now to be sure, not all of these initiatives have worked. 
+The example perhaps most notable is the attempt to transfer to 
+commercial operations. But the policy experiments are being 
+attempted. And in terms of government's future role, I 
+recommend that a philosophy of incentives like these and 
+sometimes established as experimental or demonstration policy 
+programs, the counterparts to technology pathfinders underlie 
+future approaches.
+    In the interest of quickly summarizing my other comments, 
+let me use two examples.
+    The first. Recently Google joined with a company called 
+Keyhole to offer three-dimensional maps on our PCs and our 
+BlackBerrys for finding things ranging from street directions 
+to restaurants to ATM machines. For some neighborhoods, these 
+maps are so detailed, you can see your neighbors' trashcans. 
+But the real advantage of Google and Keyhole is that the maps 
+are easy to use and they are very well annotated. Even though 
+the underlying satellite imagery and aerial photography data 
+can consist of many terabytes, they are very complicated to 
+manipulate and geographically rectify these data, and they are 
+very hard for a consumer not trained in photogrammetry, let 
+alone map reading, to understand. The factors, then, are these: 
+ease of use, low-cost ease of use, annotation, and a corporate 
+partnership that brings with it, ready-made, a large consumer 
+market.
+    The second example. A newcomer to commercial space is 
+satellite radio, XM and Sirius. They had to obtain FCC licenses 
+and frequency allocations, contract for commercial launch 
+services and insurance, obtain permits for and then install and 
+maintain an initial network of hundreds of terrestrial 
+repeaters for ground coverage in drop-out areas. They also had 
+to design and test radio antennae and in-car technology. Then 
+they had to attract GM, Honda, Sony, Wal-Mart, Best Buy, 
+Circuit City, and RadioShack for their supply and market 
+chains. And they still weren't done. They needed programming. 
+They needed content. So they are signing up Major League 
+Baseball, NASCAR, CNN, Fox News, and Howard Stern, literally 
+hundreds of kinds of programs.
+    The points of these examples are these.
+    Businesses can succeed or fail despite of or independent of 
+space policy. Commercial space success depends as much on the 
+usual business challenges: strategy, customer relations, 
+contracting practices, understanding consumer markets, as on 
+challenges that are space unique. Space businesses also depend 
+on innovation in non-space commercial markets, like 
+electronics, information technology, entertainment, 
+automobiles, retail services. And space businesses also face 
+policies related to export restrictions, as have been mentioned 
+earlier, national security concerns, and regulation in 
+financial, environmental, occupational, and employment sectors.
+    And a good space policy, I think, will be familiar with 
+these other pressures brought to bear on our U.S. industry to 
+understand the big picture of what space business in this 
+context is all about.
+    So in conclusion, I would just like to say that I think to 
+confer with the titans of space industry, as we have done 
+today, is essential for good policy making. It may also be 
+useful to confer with titans in other types of U.S. industries 
+that are directly related to the success of our space 
+businesses. And finally, good space policy is necessary, but it 
+won't always be sufficient for business success nor at fault 
+for business failure.
+    Thank you.
+    [The prepared statement of Dr. Macauley follows:]
+
+                Prepared Statement of Molly K. Macauley
+
+    Good morning, Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee on Science, 
+Subcommittee on Space and Aeronautics. I am Molly K. Macauley, a Senior 
+Fellow at Resources for the Future (RFF), a research organization 
+established in 1952 and located here in Washington, DC. RFF is 
+independent and nonpartisan, and it shares the results of its policy 
+analyses with members of all parties in the executive and legislative 
+branches of government, as well as with business advocates, academics, 
+members of the press, and interested citizens. My comments today 
+represent my own views, it should be noted, and not those of RFF, which 
+takes no institutional position on legislative or regulatory matters.
+    My training is in economics and I have worked as a space analyst 
+for 20 years. I have written extensively about space economics and 
+policy, serve on numerous NASA and National Academy of Science panels, 
+and have had the opportunity to meet with your committee several times 
+in past years. Thank you for the opportunity to meet with you today, 
+Mr. Chairman. I am honored to be part of this distinguished panel. 
+Moreover, I am grateful that you are seeking perspectives about the 
+role of government in space commerce.
+    I've been asked to consider these topics: the kinds of activities 
+included in ``commercial space;'' U.S. leadership in these activities 
+and the outlook during the coming years for the industry; and the role 
+of government, including what government should not do in encouraging 
+commercial space.
+    My overall observation is that U.S. commercial space policy to date 
+has been appropriately supportive of U.S. industry and sets a good 
+precedent for the future. The interests of the taxpayer and industry 
+are most likely to flourish mutually by way of a conservative approach 
+to legislative and regulatory intervention, coupled with an innovative, 
+incentive-oriented philosophy. I also recommend the usefulness of 
+demonstration or pathfinder, experimental approaches to policy.
+
+WHAT KINDS OF ACTIVITIES ARE INCLUDED IN ``COMMERCIAL SPACE?''
+
+    Some of the promise of commercial space has been more than 
+realized, accompanied by new and perhaps unexpected consumer markets. 
+Some promise has been less successful, often for a variety of reasons 
+independent of government actions.
+    Looking backward for just a moment is useful. A decade ago, the 
+Wall Street Journal and USA Today had vastly expanded their geographic 
+distribution by a new method: using satellites to transmit the papers 
+to local printing presses across the country for early morning 
+publication. The satellite distribution technology was so novel that 
+the papers included at the top of their front page, ``Via Satellite,'' 
+to impress upon readers that the news was hot off the press even if the 
+news had originated thousands of miles away. A much more routine use of 
+space by the commercial media was the satellite pictures of cloud cover 
+and hurricanes on the daily TV news. In another routine use of space, 
+telecommunications companies routed some long-distance telephone calls 
+by way of satellite, although microwave or undersea fiber optic cable 
+sent most calls. Satellites also enlarged the market for cable 
+television. Sometimes to the dismay of neighbors, many consumers had 
+erected large satellite dishes in their yards to receive cable TV. 
+Reflecting the by-then wealth of experience of commercial satellite 
+makers in serving these markets, Fortune magazine, in its list of ``100 
+Things America Makes Best,'' included communications satellites by 
+Boeing.
+    In another related market, the satellites supplying these services 
+were commercially launched, fueling the commercial space transportation 
+industry. In other markets, some bulky, expensive, and complex global 
+positioning satellite (GPS) receivers were finding use in ground 
+surveying and in navigation for civil aviation. The entrepreneurs 
+proposing the first commercial remote sensing space system worked with 
+policy-makers to forge entirely new regulatory and legislative policy 
+to obtain licenses for their service and were preparing for launch. 
+There were also business plans for markets in space burials and for 
+commercial materials processing on the Shuttle and Space Station.
+    Today, just a decade later, the novelty of commercial 
+communications satellites has worn off so that the newspaper covers 
+don't remind readers of the transmission technology (although the 
+technology is still essential and new comsats are routinely launched 
+for existing and new services). Residential satellite dishes are much 
+smaller and hardly noticeable perched on apartment balconies and 
+corners of rooftops. There are now some thirty-two commercial satellite 
+operators around the world. They support 176 million Americans for whom 
+cell phones, pagers, BlackBerrys and high-speed connection to the 
+Internet are as essential as a morning cup of coffee. Most of these 
+services use at least some satellite relays in addition to terrestrial 
+network technologies. Backpackers and passenger cars carry lightweight, 
+increasingly lower cost, and highly capable GPS receivers. Satellite 
+radio receivers are in cars, homes, and boats and hand-held satellite 
+radios accompany joggers. XM Satellite and Sirius Satellite radio 
+companies along with SpaceShipOne are the most prominent among new 
+entrants in commercial space markets. XM has just announced that it is 
+also joining with AOL for Internet radio service. Both XM and Sirius 
+point out that after eighty years of AM radio and sixty years of FM 
+radio technology, their digital technology offers the first new radio 
+broadcast medium.
+    In the case of commercial space remote sensing, industry is 
+struggling financially. For a variety of reasons, the industry has had 
+trouble building a civilian consumer market and has instead relied 
+heavily on sales to government, including contacts for data purchases 
+by the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency and other national and 
+foreign government security departments.
+    But the recent acquisition by Google of Keyhole Corporation, a 
+California-based digital mapping company, is a new and promising 
+direction for remote sensing. Keyhole uses satellite and aerial maps 
+and, most important, easy-to-use software. A person (untrained in the 
+complexities of photogrammetry) can zoom-in for detail on satellite and 
+aerial pictures by way of a personal or laptop computer and even 
+simulate 3D maps to find hotels, parks, ATMs, and subway stops at home 
+or when traveling. One reviewer noted that in some cases a consumer can 
+even zoom in enough to see a neighbor's trash cans. In remote sensing, 
+then, companies are finally treating the market not as ``users'' but as 
+``consumers.'' Keyhole, together with the innovative software known as 
+Ajax that manages the complexity of all of the data and interfaces 
+between hardware and software components, simplifies and annotates 
+otherwise complicated digital imagery.
+    In the commercial space transportation industry, ideas and 
+technology have moved from conventional rockets to an innovation like 
+Sea Launch, and from unmanned commercial vehicles to the promise of 
+SpaceShipOne in serving payloads in the form of people not packages.
+    These examples of satellite radio, the Google-Keyhole arrangement, 
+and innovations in space transportation technology and markets 
+represent a particular and significant development relevant to 
+Congressional and public policy perspectives on commercial space. This 
+development is the hard work of industry in blending space-based 
+technology with existing technologies and markets on Earth, complete 
+with having to comply with the regulations that govern those 
+technologies and markets. In other words, commercial space is not a 
+stand-alone industry and it can succeed or fail on market conditions 
+and other public policy wholly independent of commercial space policy.
+    By way of illustration, satellite radio had to: obtain FCC licenses 
+and frequency allocations; contract for commercial launch services and 
+insurance; obtain permits for and then install and maintain an initial 
+network of 800 terrestrial repeaters for ground coverage in drop-out 
+areas; design and test radio, antenna, and in-car technology; attract 
+GM, Honda, Sony, WalMart, Best Buy, Circuit City, and Radio Shack, 
+among other companies, to build its supply and market chain; and sign 
+up major league baseball, NASCAR, CNN, Fox News, Howard Stern, and 
+other programming. No space technology has a stand-alone supply network 
+or consumer market.
+
+U.S. LEADERSHIP IN COMMERCIAL SPACE--STATUS AND OUTLOOK
+
+    Most experts contend that some of the best commercial space 
+products as well as significant innovation continue to come from U.S. 
+companies. But these observers also acknowledge that ``U.S.-made'' can 
+be misleading. For instance, companies routinely employ foreign-born, 
+U.S. trained engineering talent. In addition, increasingly, and due in 
+part to export restrictions, markets are typically larger for U.S.-made 
+components rather than entire finished products.
+    Space-related markets are markedly more competitive than in past 
+decades. Space transportation markets now include suppliers in Europe, 
+China, Russia, Ukraine, Japan, and India--all now offer commercial 
+launch services. Israel and Brazil also have their own launch 
+capability. According to data maintained by the Office of Commercial 
+Space Transportation in the Federal Aviation Administration, in the 
+past ten years, the U.S. share of the worldwide commercial launch 
+market has averaged about 30 percent to 40 percent of total launches 
+and about a third of total revenue (of a $1 billion total market in 
+2004, the U.S. share was about $375 million). The total number of 
+launches in the past five years has been smaller than in previous 
+years, largely due to longer-lived satellites and a decline in the 
+number of small satellites launched to nongeostationary orbit. For 
+example, in 2004, U.S. companies launched six out of a total of 15 
+worldwide commercial launches.
+    Joint arrangements between U.S. and foreign companies are 
+increasing. For instance, Boeing has a share of launch revenue from its 
+partnership in Sea Launch, which had three launches valued at $210 
+million in 2004. In commercial remote sensing, U.S. companies have 
+entered into distribution agreements to market foreign data from SPOT 
+and Radarsat.
+    The international mobility of engineering talent, increasing 
+activity by other countries in commercial space launch markets, and 
+joint arrangements such as those noted above are trends that are likely 
+to continue in coming years. During 2004-2013, the Office of Commercial 
+Space Transportation expects a total of about 23 commercial launches 
+per year, on par with past years. Industry trends may include 
+continuing coupling of space-based and ground-based technologies and 
+markets--the ``XM'' model. Commercial companies have also proposed the 
+first commercial deep space science mission and commercial space 
+operations and telemetry, tracking, and control systems. In the case of 
+Earth observations, a major initiative impelled by the G-8 heads of 
+state in June 2003 has led to a ten-year plan for an integrated global 
+Earth observation system (GEOSS) among the governments of more than 30 
+countries. A separately established organization is working closely 
+with industry to identify opportunities to support GEOSS in the coming 
+decade.
+
+WHAT MIGHT GOVERNMENT DO (OR NOT DO) TO ENCOURAGE COMMERCIAL SPACE?
+
+    The Congress and executive branch have generally been extremely 
+supportive of commercial space. The legacy of policy initiatives to 
+nurture the industry is rich with examples. Table 1 lists key 
+legislation, regulation, and policy directives that have included 
+provisions specifically addressing commercial space. These initiatives 
+have included (but not been limited to) a host of innovative, market-
+like approaches: vouchers to fund launch purchases by space science 
+researchers, to enable them to choose a launch vehicle best tailored to 
+their payload; government purchases of Earth and space science data and 
+launch services; and most recently in the Commercial Space Launch 
+Amendments Act of 2004, initial steps toward allowing private and 
+commercial passengers to undertake space travel.
+    The twenty-year legislative and regulatory history of commercial 
+space has generally and been responsive to industry concerns. To be 
+sure, not all initiatives taken so far have worked in practice. For 
+example, transferring the land remote sensing system (Landsat) to 
+private operation or identifying a commercial company to build and 
+operate a follow-on system (the Landsat Data Continuity Mission) did 
+not work out for a variety of reasons. However, the policy emphasis on 
+data buys has formed the basis for the purchases of commercial space 
+remote sensing data under contracts worth about $1 billion with 
+national security agencies. By way of the Centennial Challenges 
+project, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) is 
+now offering prizes for space technology development. NASA also has 
+funding in its FY 2006 budget request for commercial transportation of 
+crew and cargo to the International Space Station.
+
+
+
+    In the future, consideration could be given to potentially strong 
+incentive-oriented approaches when government oversight of commercial 
+space activities is deemed necessary. These approaches include 
+financial incentives, performance standards that nurture adoption of 
+alternative technologies rather than requirements that specify 
+technologies to achieve performance, rational pricing policy for access 
+to government assets, and reliance on private markets for insurance 
+when appropriate. Table 2 lists market-like policies that have been 
+taken or are currently used, or that might be used in the future in 
+designing space policy. These approaches include performance standards, 
+prizes, private market insurance, auctions, voucher, and government 
+purchases of commercially produced goods and services. The objective of 
+policy options such as these is to encourage flexibility, discourage 
+government intervention when private institutions (such as insurance 
+markets) could suffice, and ensure a ``fair playing field'' between 
+government space and commercial space activities.
+    I know from Chairman Calvert's recent comments at the 21st National 
+Space Symposium this month that there is concern about sectors of the 
+U.S. space program working in isolation from the others. These sectors 
+would include the civil, national security, and commercial space 
+activities. This is a familiar problem. For instance, in the case of 
+energy policy, the Department of Energy, the Federal Energy Regulatory 
+Commission, the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, the National 
+Highway Safety Administration, the Environmental Protection Agency, and 
+the Minerals Management Service all have great influence on energy 
+markets. These agencies' decisions affect what fuels are used to 
+generate electricity, what fuel efficiency targets cars must meet, what 
+mixtures of gasoline may be sold, and where oil and natural gas can be 
+produced.
+    Our space and space-related agencies now range from the national 
+security complex to NASA, the Department of Interior and the U.S. 
+Geologic Service, the Department of Commerce and the National Oceanic 
+and Atmospheric Administration, the Federal Aviation Administration, 
+and the Federal Communications Commission. The Departments of State and 
+Energy, together with the Department of Commerce, are key champions of 
+the GEOSS program (described above). The Department of Energy also 
+plays a role in space power systems.
+    To some extent, our space sectors have mutually benefited from this 
+mix. For instance, GPS is owned and operated on the defense side but 
+routinely used by the civil and commercial sectors. Remote sensing/
+Earth observation information was championed by NASA and the 
+infrastructure, data, R&D, data validation, and information products 
+from NASA's Earth science activities over four decades are routinely 
+used by the defense and commercial sectors. Commercial satellite 
+telecommunications were advanced markedly by industry but are routinely 
+used by the defense and civil sectors.
+    Some steps could be taken to better integrate the large scale and 
+scope of government space and space-related activity. For instance, 
+establishing prizes for innovation of use to all three space sectors--
+civil, commercial, and national security--makes sense provided all 
+three sectors have at least a few desirable innovations in common. 
+These requirements could range from space transportation to space-based 
+navigation for on-orbit activities that may include autonomous 
+refueling and repair. They may also include developments in Earth 
+science in mapping and meteorology, for which prizes could be offered 
+for new and faster algorithms to turn data into actual information 
+products for the battlefield or the oil field (for geologic 
+exploration). These prizes could be jointly funded and developed by the 
+civil and national security sectors with input from the commercial 
+community.
+    Another step, and one that has been taken in the past, is 
+establishment of a space-dedicated cabinet council. In the past, such 
+an effort has been inadequate to overcome differences in goals, 
+leadership and decision-making. Nor did previous interagency efforts 
+adequately include provision for industry representation, which if 
+optimally designed would include representatives from ``other than the 
+usual suspects'' by seeking participation of non-space companies 
+(perhaps WalMart, Microsoft).
+
+
+
+
+SUMMARY OBSERVATIONS
+
+    Some of the alternatives outlined in Table 2 address different 
+types of risk (financial and safety), export issues, and other topics 
+not addressed at length in this testimony. With these omissions in 
+mind, some general guidelines for public policy and commercial space 
+include:
+
+        --  Balance financial risk taken by industry compared with 
+        asking the public to underwrite risk (for example, in the case 
+        of upcoming deliberations on continuation of commercial launch 
+        indemnification)
+
+        --  Balance personal risk taken by crew, passengers, and third 
+        parties in commercial space transportation
+
+        --  Maintain familiarity with the non-space commercial markets 
+        upon which commercial space relies (for example, computing 
+        hardware, software, wireless connectivity, telecommunications 
+        capacity enhancements and cost reductions, consumer retail 
+        markets)
+
+        --  Routinely seek out the opinions of non-space industry 
+        leaders in information technology, telecommunications 
+        technology, entertainment, automobiles, education, retail 
+        services, and other consumer markets to appreciate the larger 
+        context in which commercial space operates
+
+        --  Intervene when necessary and appropriate in legislative and 
+        regulatory policy in non-space commercial markets upon which 
+        commercial space relies (for instance, spectrum and orbital 
+        access, environmental and occupational safety/health 
+        regulation)
+
+        --  Balance export policy, national security concerns, and 
+        other restrictions on international trade in space goods and 
+        services
+
+        --  Build or build-on inter-agency relationships among the 
+        myriad government offices that are involved directly or 
+        indirectly in space technology, policy, and operations
+
+        --  Acknowledge that commercial space success depends at least 
+        as much if not more on normal business challenges (business 
+        strategy, customer relations) as on challenges that are space-
+        unique or that pertain to government commercial space policy
+
+        --  Accept that some commercial ventures will fail 
+        independently of supportive legislative, regulatory, or other 
+        policy
+
+    In conclusion, the supportive legacy of U.S. commercial space 
+policy has set a good precedent for the future. The interests of the 
+taxpayer and U.S. industry are most likely to flourish mutually by way 
+of a conservative approach to legislative and regulatory intervention, 
+coupled with an innovative, incentive-oriented philosophy amenable to 
+demonstration or pathfinder, experimental approaches to policy.
+
+                    Biography for Molly K. Macauley
+
+    Dr. Macauley is a Senior Fellow at Resources for the Future in 
+Washington, DC. Her research focuses on economics of and policy issues 
+in space transportation, Earth science and remote sensing, space risk, 
+space debris, space power technology, and the roles of the government 
+and private sectors in space. She has published over 50 articles, 
+lectured widely, and testified before Congress on these topics. Dr. 
+Macauley also chairs the Board of Advisors of the Thomas Jefferson 
+Public Policy Program at the College of William and Mary and has served 
+on the Board of Directors of Women in Aerospace. She is a member of the 
+International Academy of Astronautics and the Aeronautics and Space 
+Engineering Board of the National Academy of Sciences, and has been 
+honored by the National Space Society as one of the Nation's ``Rising 
+Stars'' in space policy. She has also received commendation from the 
+National Aeronautics and Space Administration for contributions to 
+development of commercial space remote sensing. In addition, Dr. 
+Macauley spearheaded the Space Shuttle flight of replica of a standard 
+of George Washington; that standard is now on display at Mount Vernon. 
+Dr. Macauley has taught for many years in the Department of Economics 
+at Johns Hopkins University and consults for a variety of aerospace and 
+other companies. She has a Bachelor's degree in economics from the 
+College of William and Mary and Master's and doctoral degrees from 
+Johns Hopkins University.
+
+                               Discussion
+
+                        Cost of Access to Space
+
+    Chairman Calvert. Thank you. Thank you for your testimony.
+    Mr. Musk, as I was listening to the other testimony, I 
+noticed an emotional response at one moment where Mr. Demisch 
+said that we should set policy on the basis that no substantial 
+launch cost reductions will be expected. And I know from 
+discussions with you, you hope to reduce those launch costs 
+through your business. So I thought I would give you an 
+opportunity to comment on that.
+    And since you are one of the newest entrants into the 
+launch market, based on your experience, how would you 
+characterize the U.S. Government's regulation of the launch 
+industry, in general? And what should the government possibly 
+do to enable this industry to succeed?
+    So with that, I will----
+    Mr. Musk. Certainly. Well, I think the fact that we are 
+offering the Falcon I launch vehicle at a price of 
+approximately $6 million, which, thanks to the current U.S. 
+dollar, is quite a bargain on the international market. We are 
+actually--we only cost, effectively, about three million 
+pounds. The--this compares with the next best U.S.--or the next 
+best U.S. launch vehicle being the Pegasus from Orbital 
+Sciences, which has a NASA list price of about $30 million. Our 
+vehicle does 50 percent more payload, has a better payload 
+environment, has more volume. In fact, on every meaningful 
+dimension, it is superior and yet it is about 1/5 of the cost.
+    So I think that is, you know--clearly indicates that 
+significant improvement is possible. We expect to do the same 
+thing with our medium-lift vehicle, Falcon V, and we expect to 
+make some announcements about a heavy-lift vehicle in the--
+later this year and with similar price reductions on the order 
+of four to five over the current U.S. launch vehicle costs. And 
+those we consider starting points. We are going to go down from 
+there.
+    As far as the--what the U.S. Government can do as--from a 
+regulatory standpoint, you know, I think there is currently a 
+fairly large body of regulation regarding expendable launch. It 
+is quite onerous. It adds quite a bit to our cost per launch. 
+And I think the U.S. Government should do its best to minimize 
+and constantly be trying to reduce that body of regulation. 
+Regulation just tends to--it is like atrophy. It just keeps 
+growing. Unless there is an active force to contain it, it just 
+gets worse and worse every year.
+    And then to the point that I mentioned in my testimony, I 
+think we really need to do something about ITAR. I think that 
+is really harming the U.S. industry.
+    Chairman Calvert. Yeah, I am going to give you the 
+opportunity to answer a question.
+    There are people, and you have probably heard this, Mr. 
+Musk, because of your own considerable personal wealth, I heard 
+the phraseology ``angel.'' You are probably considered one of 
+those folks, and that--you know, you have more capability 
+financially than most to do this that--are you in this for the 
+business, or are you in this--because, you know, I am sure you 
+heard this behind your back, are you in this for a hobby? So I 
+want you to have the opportunity to answer this question for 
+the record, because----
+    Mr. Musk. Certainly.
+    Chairman Calvert.--I think you should--you deserve that.
+    Mr. Musk. I certainly--well, if it is a hobby, it is the 
+most expensive hobby I could possibly conceive of. You know, in 
+fact, the--I have--there is a joke in the space industry, which 
+is how do you make a small fortune in the launch business, if 
+you start with a large one? And I have heard that joke so many 
+times that I started to--just for amusement, when people ask me 
+why I started the company, I would say, ``Well, you know, I had 
+a large fortune, and I was trying to make it small very 
+quickly, and this seemed like a good way to do it.''
+    But the serious answer is that this really is a business, 
+which I expect to be really quite profitable. I think we could 
+hit a positive cash flow as soon as the--late this year or 
+early next year, which would mean that, if we were able to do 
+so, we would have achieved positive cash flow in our third or 
+fourth year of operation, which is unusually good for any 
+business, and I would say particularly good for the launch 
+business.
+    So I think I am really quite convinced that there is a 
+solid business there. You know, we are doing our best to 
+solicit business throughout the world. You know, we--the 
+Malaysian launch, we competed against the Russians for that and 
+won. You know, that was a tough one. We have got a couple of 
+other international launches we expect to win. We are working 
+hard to earn NASA business. So I am--we are trying to get as 
+much business as possible in order to drive that cost even 
+lower than it is today.
+    Chairman Calvert. Thank you.
+    Mr. Rohrabacher.
+    Mr. Rohrabacher. One thousand dollars a pound on Saturn V? 
+Is that in today's dollars or then-dollars?
+    Mr. Demisch. Then-year dollars.
+    Mr. Rohrabacher. Then-dollars? So it is----
+    Mr. Demisch. So adjustment for inflation, it is about 
+$10,000.
+    Mr. Rohrabacher. So it is about the same, then?
+    Mr. Demisch. Yeah, it hasn't--things haven't changed much. 
+I think if Mr. Musk can achieve the kind of overhead reductions 
+that I think are necessary to get the costs down to something 
+which is a little bit closer to materials and engineering 
+content, it would be a tremendous gain. It hasn't been possible 
+for any of the other players, maybe perhaps because of 
+regulatory issues, but----
+    Mr. Musk. If I--this is an interesting point, which I 
+suspect that members may not be aware of.
+    Do you know what the cost of propellant is on our rocket? 
+Propellant is usually the dominating cost. It--you know, gas--
+jet fuel is the dominating cost in airliners. The cost of 
+propellant for our rocket is $50,000 a launch. That shows you 
+there is a huge amount of room for improvement. And we should 
+be getting to the point where that cost actually matters as 
+opposed to being an accounting error on the launchcrafts.
+    Mr. Rohrabacher. Well, of course--Mr. Musk, how old are 
+your children now?
+    Mr. Musk. They are one.
+    Mr. Rohrabacher. I am--you have two babies that are one, 
+and I have three babies that are one week from being one. Now 
+do you foresee our babies being able to go to college on the 
+Moon?
+    Mr. Musk. Well, I think college on the moon may be 
+challenging, but if they can actually have the potential to go 
+there at all, that is really part of what I am working hard to 
+try to achieve is that there should be the possibility that, 
+you know--that any citizen can go to space, go beyond orbit, 
+even to the Moon and going to Mars. I think it would be really 
+a very dismal future where that possibility was closed.
+    Mr. Rohrabacher. I noticed when the other panelists were 
+talking, there was a lot of--I am sorry. You did sound a little 
+pessimistic, sir, but--about the development of technology and 
+overcoming this, but I think that what we hear from Mr. Rutan 
+and Mr. Musk, who are on the business end of this, is that the 
+technology development will be there. They are confident. I 
+mean, I noted confidence in both Mr. Rutan and Mr. Whitehorn in 
+terms of technology. What they don't seem to be confident in is 
+government policy that will permit them the type of technology 
+development to overcome problems.
+    Mr. Demisch. I think that I will defer to Mr. Musk in one 
+nanosecond, but the challenge really has been that there are--
+we are living with the same technology in space propulsion and 
+have, really, since--probably the Shuttle is the most advanced 
+engine of any space vehicle currently flying. And so that sets 
+your underlying engineering merit. And then the question is how 
+cheaply can you build it. And that then becomes a question of 
+how costly and complicated is it and what is your overhead 
+weights on your people and all of the rest of these things.
+    Mr. Rohrabacher. You know, I think every time that 
+humankind has said that, they have been wrong. And let me just 
+note, and Mr. Rutan is not on the stand now, but I will never 
+forget when he talked about when he--I had a group of people 
+there to hear a lecture by him in my District, when he talked 
+about how he has changed the way that there is re-entry and how 
+that the implications on that--of that. I mean, this is not 
+just a mechanical change. It is actually a change of concept.
+    Mr. Demisch. I think Mr. Rutan is a genius in aviation. I 
+think that that is--I bless his efforts, and I hope that this 
+committee can encourage NASA to give people like him a lot more 
+space in the aeronautics arena, because it--God knows it needs 
+it, where industry would just be fading before our very eyes in 
+terms of employment and so on. It would be nice if we had 
+people like Mr. Musk in the space frontier. All I am saying is 
+the underlying technical merit of the boosters hasn't changed. 
+The only real way for drastic improvement is something 
+completely different, like an elevator. That I think is 
+technically doable over time. So it is not there yet, but at 
+least it is conceptual.
+    Mr. Rohrabacher. Well, that is--there is a revolutionary 
+idea: the elevator into space. But let me know. I never looked 
+at that.
+    Thank you.
+    Mr. Chairman, if you would just indulge me one more note, 
+and that is that what we have heard today is that there are 
+some things we can do, and the--Mr. Musk has made it very clear 
+that export control is--as our witness of the first panel 
+mentioned export control, I--and we are talking about people 
+who understand the importance of freedom here and are not 
+suggesting that we do anything that puts our country in 
+jeopardy by making these technologies available to potential 
+enemies. But I think it behooves us and the Subcommittee to 
+become a force, as I have tried to be, in the international 
+relationships to try to push these barriers aside for countries 
+that are friendly to the United States and pose no future 
+danger to us. And it is something that we could do that would 
+really help these folks out. This is one of the regulations----
+    Chairman Calvert. And I would be happy to work with you on 
+this. I am on the Armed Services Committee, and you are on the 
+International Relations Committee. We--and this committee. We--
+between that, we ought to be able to work out some streamlining 
+to make this process work a little more simpler.
+    Mr. Rohrabacher. And one on--other note is that Mr. Musk 
+did, I would like to note, mention the concept of prizes as a 
+means of developing new technologies. And I have a bill for 
+that, and I would hope our new head of NASA, who we are all 
+mystic about, he also takes a positive view towards that 
+approach, and perhaps we could work something out, and move in 
+that area as well in developing new technologies by prizes for 
+them rather than having the government bureaucracy telling 
+people how to turn the screws and seeing the actual development 
+process.
+    So thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
+
+                      Emerging Space-based Markets
+
+    Chairman Calvert. I thank the gentleman.
+    I am going to have a question for all of the panelists.
+    And looking into the future, do you see evidence of newly 
+emerging markets or products that will rely on space-based 
+assets? And if so, what might they be? And we will put it 
+another way. Are there products or services coming into the 
+marketplace in the next five to 10 years that are likely to 
+spur the additional space-based infrastructure?
+    And I think I will start with you, Mr. Musk, and just head 
+on down the panel.
+    Mr. Musk. Sure. I think that there are a couple trends that 
+I see. One is in the small satellite arena of doing things with 
+the smaller, lower-cost satellites rather than with gigantic, 
+very expensive satellites. I think we are seeing that trend. We 
+are certainly seeing that trend and the interest in our small 
+launch vehicle. I think as the--as time goes by, there is 
+greater and greater interest in more broadcast, more 
+communications, more exploration. I see a--really a very 
+positive future for space. And it is--for those that are 
+pessimistic, I think it is--bearing in mind that space is a 
+very cyclic business, and so when--and once--people are prone 
+to become very optimistic at the top of the cycle and very 
+pessimistic at the bottom of the cycle. And you need to 
+remember that it is a cyclic business.
+    Chairman Calvert. It sounds like real estate.
+    Mr. Musk. Yeah. Buy low, sell high.
+    Chairman Calvert. Mr. Vinter.
+    Mr. Vinter. Yes, sir.
+    I echo what Elon is saying about small satellites replacing 
+big satellites. The big satellites have proved to be very, very 
+difficult to produce, taking three and four years to get out of 
+the factory, whereas the smaller ones could come out in a year 
+or a year and a half. So that is definitely a trend.
+    There is also, I think, going to be a big interest in so-
+called KA band, and this is an application where there is 
+interaction, you know, back and forth over the Internet. And we 
+are seeing a number of people today who are really interested 
+in KA band. And there are a couple of experimental packages 
+that--and one operational package already flying with us. And I 
+think that if it takes off, it will be--probably very 
+interesting.
+    Mr. Demisch. I think that there is still a tremendous 
+opportunity for growth, or just start off with trying to use 
+your cell phone. I mean, the service is still terrible any way 
+you slice it, and so there is need for a better service, and 
+the only way you really get it is to have it coming down from 
+above rather than from the buildings on the side. And the other 
+thing is, of course, I think the kind of really high-speed 
+mobile links, as you sort of start to see TV on your cell phone 
+and so on, again, the best place to do it is from up above. I 
+think the underlying concept that was behind Teledesic remains 
+sound, and I don't know that their business plan is close to 
+being resurrected, but a lot of work has been done there. And I 
+think that that is going to see a lot more future. And the 
+other thing is I just think that the combination of 
+surveillance and tracking for monitoring and national security 
+purposes is, in fact, going to be a large growth market over 
+the course of the coming decade.
+    Dr. Macauley. I come from a research organization where my 
+colleagues specialize in agriculture, energy, water, and I 
+argue with them, and they are gradually coming to agree, that I 
+think that space is every bit as an important and natural 
+resource as those. And it is a natural resource that is really 
+unique. It is an incredibly unique environment. It has 
+fundamental attributes that make it a very difficult place to 
+be for a long period of time, but nonetheless it is a resource 
+that we are still learning a lot about. And I remember eight 
+years ago when we would get USA Today or the Wall Street 
+Journal, right under the headline, it said, ``via satellite,'' 
+which meant in order to get these newspapers to remote places 
+around the world in time for people's morning coffee, the text 
+of the newspapers was sent via satellite to regional printing 
+presses. And now we don't see that underneath the Wall Street 
+Journal or USA Today. They are still using that technology, but 
+it is embedded so much in our way of life, and similarly with 
+much of our communications activities. So space, as a place 
+through which to bounce signals, is very much a part of our 
+life. Will it ever be a place where we turn to the dreams of a 
+decade ago of doing materials processing? I remember hearing, 
+similar to those today, where we had entrepreneurs thinking 
+about space as a unique environment in which to do some very 
+interesting materials processing. And then what happened was 
+when 3M and other companies stepped up to the plate to try it 
+out, it took so long to get there, to get through the process 
+of getting your assets into space and getting the experiments 
+done that we had accomplished the innovation here on Earth much 
+more quickly.
+    So once we get to space more quickly and can stay there for 
+sustained periods of time routinely, we may see some of those 
+visions, which were very visionary, recycle back. And then 
+today, the extensive discussion about not just a place through 
+which to bounce signals but a place to actually send us all 
+and, perhaps, someday to live, if not visit. I think that--
+yeah, I think the future of space is very bright, subject to a 
+lot of other things that have to happen in a business sense to 
+make it work and subject to sound government role.
+    Chairman Calvert. Well, thank you.
+    And I want to thank this panel. We are living in an 
+exciting time, and I am looking forward to working with all of 
+you in the future. And I am looking forward to, Elon, coming 
+out to your launch here shortly, and I wish you all of the 
+success in the world.
+    And I, again, thank this panel for coming today. We are 
+adjourned.
+    [Whereupon, at 11:45 a.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned.]
+
+                              Appendix 1:
+
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+
+
+                   Answers to Post-Hearing Questions
+
+Responses by Burt Rutan, Scaled Composites, LLC
+
+Questions submitted by Representative Mark Udall
+
+Q1.  As you understand it, what steps will you have to go through to 
+get the commercial version of your spaceship approved for commercial 
+service by the FAA? Which office of the FAA will you be coordinating 
+with?
+
+A1. In my opening remarks I did outline what I believe the proper steps 
+for government approval of commercial spaceships. My handout also 
+included more detail on the subject and is attached for your reference. 
+(See Attachment)
+
+Q2.  In your testimony you indicated that you have a number of proposed 
+changes to the licensing process that you think would make sense. 
+Please provide your proposed changes for the record.
+
+A2. Our main emphasis is that FAA needs to staff the regulatory office 
+with personnel experienced in the research testing and certification of 
+commercial aircraft. These personnel are found at AVS, not at AST.
+
+Questions submitted by Representative Sheila Jackson Lee
+
+Q1.  Some of those who have argued for an ``informed consent'' approach 
+to safety for the emerging Personal Space Flight industry make an 
+analogy to the ``barnstorming'' days of aviation when a formal 
+structure for regulating safety did not yet exist but the aviation 
+market continued to grow dramatically. It doesn't seem from your 
+testimony that you agree with that analogy. Is that true? If you don't 
+agree, why not?
+
+A1. We are not among those who have argued that informed consent is 
+adequate. Two things need to happen for a healthy, sustainable private 
+space flight industry.
+
+        1.  A level of safety at least as good as the early airliners.
+
+        2.  Some form of FAA approval for the flight vehicle's safety 
+        as regards the paying passengers, not just the uninvolved 
+        public.
+
+    We believe the industry might be stillborn after the first fatal 
+accident if these two items are not provided.
+
+Questions submitted by Representative Jim Costa
+
+Q1.  One of the goals of previous hypersonic R&D programs such as the 
+National Aerospace Plane was to cut travel times between widely 
+separated locations such as the west coast of the United States and 
+Asia. Would a commercial version of the sub-orbital spaceship you have 
+developed be able to contribute to that goal? Why or why not?
+
+A1. Sub-orbital rockets, flying parabolic missions will work nicely for 
+flying people outside the atmosphere. However, they are limited to 300 
+or 400-mile trips. Air breathing, high altitude propulsion or space 
+planes that skip along the atmosphere's extremities would be needed for 
+travel between widely separated locations.
+
+Attachment
+
+             Regulation of Manned Sub-orbital Space Systems
+                 for Research and Commercial Operations
+
+    A summary prepared by Burt Rutan, Scaled Composites
+
+Safety Requirements for the Private Spaceline Industry
+
+          New generic solutions for safety as compared to 
+        historic Government manned space operations will be mandatory
+
+          Cannot run a Spaceline without a huge reduction of 
+        current risk
+
+Safety Goals: Airline experience as a model
+
+          Risk statistics, fatal risk per flight
+
+                  First 44 years of manned space flight = one 
+                per 62 flights
+
+                  First airliners (1927 & 1928) = one per 5,500 
+                flights
+
+                  Early airliners (1934 to 1936) = one per 
+                31,000 flights
+
+                  Current airliners = one per two to five 
+                million flights
+
+                  Modern military fighters = one mishap per 
+                33,000 flights
+
+          Logical goal:
+
+                  Better than the first airliners
+
+                  < one percent of the historic government 
+                space flight risk
+
+Different Systems Need Different Regulation Methods
+
+          The AST Process
+
+                  To show that the consequence of failure, 
+                i.e., the expectation of casualty (Ec) for the non-
+                involved public (NIP) is low.
+
+                  Deals with systems that are historically 
+                dangerous.
+
+          The AVR (now AVS) Process
+
+                  To show that the probability of failure (Pf) 
+                is low.
+
+                  Assures safety of crew and passengers.
+
+                  Deals with systems that need to be reliable.
+
+          The risk method approach by AST
+
+                  Risk is product of failure probability and 
+                consequence.
+
+                  NIP risk with dangerous systems is assured 
+                only by selection of flight area.
+
+                  Flight crew risk with dangerous systems can 
+                be addressed only by flight termination staging.
+
+                  However, since Pf cannot be calculated for 
+                immature systems, AST has no acceptable process for new 
+                systems that have to be safe enough for commercial 
+                passenger service.
+
+          AST Methods for Booster-like systems
+
+                  Computer-flown or remote operation
+
+                  Automation that requires backup via flight-
+                termination systems
+
+                  Ground-launched
+
+                  Safety-critical rocket propulsion
+
+                  Un-piloted stages dropped
+
+                  High-scatter landing
+
+          AVR Methods for Aircraft-like systems
+
+                  Human Piloted flight
+
+                  Expendable-like flight-termination systems 
+                are not appropriate
+
+                  Runway takeoff
+
+                  Rocket propulsion not safety critical
+
+                  No ``bombing'' of hardware that presents risk 
+                to NIP
+
+                  Horizontal aircraft-like runway recovery
+
+          If the safety approach is based on failure 
+        consequence it should be regulated by AST.
+
+          If the safety approach is based on failure 
+        probability it should be regulated by AVR or by staff 
+        experienced in aircraft safety assurance.
+
+          If safety is based on both consequence and vehicle 
+        reliability, then consequence should be calculated by AST, but 
+        Pf must be accessed by those with aircraft safety regulation 
+        experience.
+
+Experimental Research Testing of Airplane-like Systems
+
+          Cannot be addressed by enforcing standards or 
+        guidelines--the important need is to allow innovation; to seek 
+        safety breakthroughs without regulatory hurdles. Regulators 
+        must not be expected to appreciate this need during a research 
+        test environment.
+
+          Pf cannot be calculated, thus historic data must be a 
+        guide for approval of an adequate test area to meet Ec intent 
+        for NIP.
+
+          Environmental requirements, like for aircraft are not 
+        needed, but they can be tolerated, with costs not the full 
+        burden of the developer.
+
+          The AVR waiver method for all regulations is 
+        mandatory. The developer must be able to argue the equivalent 
+        safety justification for non-compliance to any regulation. This 
+        is critical, especially for an immature industry with 
+        indeterminate technical issues.
+
+          The AST launch licensing process is not acceptable 
+        due to its costs, its hindrance of innovation and its negative 
+        effect on safety policy. The AVR-EAC (Experimental 
+        Airworthiness Certificate) method works and must be 
+        implemented. The system is based on respect for a developer's 
+        safety record and the expectation that he will follow the 
+        license rules.
+
+Certification, or Licensing Spacecraft for Commercial Sub-orbital 
+                    Passenger Operations
+
+          The manufacturer and the operator cannot accept a 
+        scenario in which the FAA has no role in approving the safety 
+        of crews or passengers. His responsibility to do adequate 
+        testing to assure passenger safety must have acceptance by the 
+        FAA. Otherwise he has no unbiased defense at trial following an 
+        accident.
+
+          Part 23 & 25 Certification are based on defining 
+        conformity. Then, by test and analysis showing adequate margins 
+        for the conformed vehicle. Subsequently the holder of the 
+        certificate can then produce and operate unlimited numbers of 
+        vehicles that conform. The main costs of certification are the 
+        issues related to conformity, not the specific tests to show 
+        margins.
+
+          Any ethical manufacturer or operator must test to 
+        show margins, even in the absence of any government regulation.
+
+          However, initially the manufacturer and operator will 
+        build and operate only a very small number of vehicles, thus 
+        making the detailed conformity process debilitating. Also, the 
+        intensity of the process would interfere with the need to solve 
+        new technical problems and to maintain a ``question, never 
+        defend'' posture while system technical status is not mature.
+
+          Our proposal: an applicant seeking approval to fly 
+        passengers will be required to define the tests needed to show 
+        adequate margins for his design and define the required systems 
+        safety analysis. He must then obtain acceptance of the test 
+        plan by FAA regulators and later get acceptance that the tests 
+        were satisfactorily completed. The process will be design 
+        specific and repeated for each flight article.
+
+          Conformity of the design, the tools, the systems or 
+        the manufacturing process will not be required.
+
+          A manufacturer can select the conformity process as 
+        an option if he desires to avoid the individual tests of each 
+        production article.
+
+          Conformity may be mandatory after the industry 
+        matures (the aircraft certification process).
+
+Lessons from the Regulatory Process During the SpaceShipOne (SS1) 
+                    Research Flight Tests
+
+          The Tier1 test program involved 88 flights, 17 for 
+        the SS1 and 71 for the White Knight. 83 of those flights were 
+        licensed via an AVR-AIR-200 Experimental Airworthiness 
+        Certificate. Those flights were done under the authority of the 
+        EAC and directed via the information in its Operating 
+        Limitations list. The EAC was in effect for the duration of the 
+        program, July 2002 to October 2004.
+
+          Five flights of SS1 were flown under the additional 
+        authority of an AST Launch License. License was in effect from 
+        March 2004 to October 2004.
+
+          The 83 flights flown under the EAC involved the 
+        highest risk, both to the pilots and the NIP: first flights of 
+        unproven vehicles and nearly all envelope expansion, including 
+        first supersonic flight of SS1 to max-q.
+
+          The EAC flights were regulated similar to the 1,800 
+        research flights conducted by Scaled on 36 aircraft types over 
+        a 30-year period: we were expected to fly within the Ops Limits 
+        list, and were trusted to do so. The program allowed the 
+        innovation always present in aircraft research, and did not 
+        interfere with our `question, never defend' safety policy.
+
+          Development of the new safety innovations were done 
+        under the EAC: the new type hybrid rocket motor, the air launch 
+        and the `care-free re-entry' feathered concept.
+
+          The EAC process provided an efficient environment for 
+        exploratory testing and continued the historic research 
+        aircraft record of safety for the NIP.
+
+          The AST Launch License process enforced on the 
+        remaining five flights of SS1 was a very different regulatory 
+        environment. We were assured streamlining from the 
+        certifications needed for commercial operations approvals but 
+        were kept in the dark on specifics. The process involved a 15 
+        month, three party Ec analysis that failed to arrive at an 
+        adequate calculation for Pf, thus rendering the Ec 
+        determination to be useless. The process was misguided and 
+        inappropriate, at times resembling a type certification effort 
+        and left the applicant without the basic information needed to 
+        determine status. The regulators requested Ec analysis, then 
+        ignored those results without informing the applicant or 
+        allowing him to defend, to revise or to resubmit the data. The 
+        regulators refused to reveal the government's analysis method 
+        for Ec calculation. The `shell game' continued for the majority 
+        of the program, resulting in a severe distraction to key test 
+        personnel as well as high costs and a disregard for our safety 
+        policy. The environment also precluded innovation.
+
+          The Launch License process, as applied to the 
+        aircraft research test environment resulted in increased risk 
+        for our flight crews, the very people that bear the true risk 
+        in experimental flight tests.
+
+          The AST office had no waiver policy, and answered our 
+        requests by a written denial from the Administrator without 
+        giving the applicant the opportunity to debate or negotiate the 
+        technical merits or to get an opinion from the EAC's regulatory 
+        staff.
+
+Conclusions
+
+          An applicant for approval to fly research flight 
+        tests of piloted, aircraft-like systems must have a defined 
+        process, one that allows him to plan his program staffing and 
+        financial needs. It is not acceptable to impose undefined, 
+        inappropriate forced oversight. The specific EAC process has 
+        served the industry well for decades and should be used and 
+        enforced by regulators familiar with research aircraft testing.
+
+          The Ec process, developed for protection of 
+        population from the dangers of ground-launched, expendable 
+        rocket boosters, is not workable for application to piloted, 
+        aircraft-like systems during research tests and must be 
+        replaced by the AVR method of having test-experienced 
+        regulators select an appropriate flight test area for research 
+        tests. The Ec process might be justifiable for commercial 
+        operations, but it must be regulated by those experienced with 
+        commercial aircraft operations.
+
+          Regarding licenses to conduct commercial flights that 
+        carry revenue passengers, it is not acceptable for FAA to 
+        ignore the approval or acceptance of the vehicle's ability to 
+        safely fly people. Regulation must be done by experienced 
+        (aircraft experienced) staff.
+
+          The acceptance of the system's probable safety can be 
+        done via a vehicle-specific test requirement process for 
+        structures and safety analysis for systems, rather than the 
+        more expensive Type Certification process that includes full 
+        conformity assurance. These processes cannot be defined in 
+        advance by specification of standards or by design guidelines, 
+        since every new system will have unique features. The testing 
+        details and systems safety analysis process must be specific to 
+        the vehicle and its intended operation. This process does not 
+        have to be significantly more expensive than that which would 
+        be done by any ethical manufacturer in the absence of 
+        government regulation.
+                   Answers to Post-Hearing Questions
+Responses by Will Whitehorn, President, Virgin Galactic
+
+Questions submitted by Representative Sheila Jackson Lee
+
+Q1.  It has long been my belief and contention that space exploration 
+is something that should not be limited. This principle has generally 
+applied to space exploration by nations, but today we face the prospect 
+of space tourism where individuals would be the ones who get to explore 
+space. I feel strongly that this opportunity should not just go to the 
+rich, but also to others who have a passion for space exploration; 
+especially students should at least have a chance at this. I believe in 
+the long run this will be good for business and good for the science of 
+space exploration because it will only increase the general public's 
+interest in space. Does Virgin Galactic have any plans to provide the 
+chance to explore space to even a select few individuals who may not 
+have the means to pay for such a flight?
+
+A1. Representative Jackson Lee, let me assure you that Virgin Galactic 
+shares your concern that financial barriers alone should not limit 
+commercial space travel to only the most financially able. Virgin 
+Galactic is committed to making seats available on our spacecraft each 
+year for individuals who cannot afford to pay the commercial price for 
+this adventure of a lifetime. Our plans to accomplish this shared goal 
+are in the early stages. I will provide more details to you and the 
+Subcommittee as they crystallize. At this point, we are in discussions 
+with the National Space Society to receive its input. Internally, we 
+also are exploring opportunities to make tickets available every year 
+for other charitable purposes. As our plans solidify, we will keep you 
+and the Subcommittee advised.
+
+Q2.  You come from a background in the airline industry. As you look 
+forward to operating commercial passenger-carrying spaceships, what 
+aspects of your operations do you think will be similar to those of 
+airlines, and what will be different? In particular, how will the 
+safety and maintenance practices you plan to follow in your Virgin 
+Galactic operation differ from those you follow in Virgin Atlantic?
+
+A2. Lest there be any confusion, commercial operations for Virgin 
+Galactic and Virgin Atlantic will differ markedly in many significant 
+respects. Running a commercial space business is dramatically different 
+than running a scheduled commercial airline. Differences aside, the 
+most important common thread Virgin Galactic and Virgin Atlantic share 
+is Virgin's unwavering commitment to safety. With respect to the 
+airlines Virgin operates around the world and the passenger rail 
+service we operate in the United Kingdom, the Virgin brand has become 
+synonymous with safety. We have never lost a passenger. This fact is 
+our proudest accomplishment. Similarly, safety will be Virgin 
+Galactic's North Star.
+    Virgin Galactic will differ from Virgin Atlantic in a number of 
+significant operational respects. For instance, it will not operate 
+point-to-point service and it will not be subject to the Federal 
+Aviation Administration's (FAA) customary regulatory structure for 
+commercial carriers. These differences aside, the safety procedures we 
+envision will bear some similarities to the lessons we have learned 
+from our safe and successful airline ventures. For example, Virgin 
+Galactic's pilots will be expected to develop a pre-flight safety check 
+protocol similar to that used by our commercial airline pilots. 
+Similarly, we intend to have maintenance practices and spacecraft check 
+procedures similar to those jointly used by operators and manufacturers 
+in the commercial airline industry. One key area of difference will be 
+Virgin Galactic's pre-flight focus on the health, safety and security 
+of our passengers. Working closely with the FAA's Office of Commercial 
+Space Transportation, we plan to develop pre-flight guidelines that 
+will be rigorously followed.
+
+                   Answers to Post-Hearing Questions
+
+Responses by John W. Vinter, Chairman, International Space Brokers
+
+Questions submitted by Representative Mark Udall
+
+Q1.  In the past, we have heard the concern expressed that new 
+commercial space ventures would not be able to find insurance because 
+of the risk presented to insurers from potential launch failures. Is 
+that still a concern?
+
+A1. Underwriters are not unduly concerned about launch failures. They 
+recognize that launch failures are part of the unique circumstances 
+with respect to space ventures. What underwriters are concerned about 
+is untried and unproven technology. Underwriters generally are quite 
+willing to insure developed technology. Thus, in most cases, 
+underwriters wait to see one or two successful launches before 
+committing underwriting capacity for subsequent launches. The thesis 
+being that a new launch vehicle or other untried technology should 
+first be proven to work before seeking insurance. That said, 
+occasionally the market will sometimes insure new technology but at a 
+very much higher price.
+
+Q2.  How will the insurance market for commercial passenger-carrying 
+spaceships differ from that for expendable launch vehicles that launch 
+unmanned satellites?
+
+A2. The market will consider the reliability for commercial passenger-
+carrying spaceships in much the same way that it does for expendable 
+launch vehicles that launch unmanned satellites. The space market is 
+primarily a property market. It will rate each spaceship and/or launch 
+vehicle on its own merits. Thus, today whether we are discussing Space 
+Shuttles, the Atlas or the Delta, the market will rate the launch 
+system on its own merits. In due course as passenger-carrying 
+spaceships prove themselves to be working, the likelihood is that 
+eventually passenger-carrying spaceships will be treated very much like 
+airline planes and their passengers are treated today.
+
+Q3.  As you look at the emerging commercial human space flight industry 
+being described by Mr. Rutan and Mr. Whitehorn, how important will 
+demonstrating adequate safety margins in advance of flight operations 
+be if they want to get insurance? Are there any regulatory approaches 
+to safety that would be more likely to make it easier to get insurance? 
+Less likely?
+
+A3. As stated in the answer to Question 1 above, the market would want 
+to see successful demonstration of the vehicles carrying humans before 
+making significant commitment to such vehicles. I should point out from 
+the beginning that the market has insured humans on the Space Shuttle 
+and indeed tourists on the Russian Soyez vehicle. A regulatory regime 
+much like the FAA regime for aviation will most likely be rewarded by 
+the market and the demonstration of successful flights will be the 
+determining factor in these circumstances.
+
+Q4.  In your testimony you mentioned the potential impact of current 
+export control policies on the U.S. commercial space industry.
+
+          Please elaborate on the nature of your concern with 
+        the present situation.
+
+          What would you do to fix the problem?
+
+A4. The concern with the current ITAR arrangement is that non-U.S. 
+satellite operators are favoring European suppliers of the satellites 
+over U.S. suppliers in large measure because of the complication of the 
+ITAR regime. The current ITAR regime limits the amount of information 
+available to non-U.S. owners. Thus, all other factors being equal, a 
+non-U.S. customer will buy a European satellite because it is much 
+simpler to buy such satellite. I am aware of a number of instances 
+where this happens to be true.
+    Please note I am talking of standard commercial communication 
+satellites. With respect to launch vehicles and Earth observation 
+satellites and new high technology equipment, I do not suggest any 
+change to the current regime. In particular, launch vehicles and Earth 
+observation satellites can be deemed weapons and as such, should be 
+controlled to the maximum extent possible. With respect to standard 
+communication satellites, however, I should point out that such 
+satellites are in production in Europe without restrictions and nothing 
+is gained from strictly controlling technical information with respect 
+thereto.
+    With respect to these satellites, consideration should be given to 
+removing such satellites from the Munitions List. If there is a 
+particular technology, by all means this technology should be 
+protected. If the concern is of a particular country such as China, 
+then it should be specified as such. The above comments are made as an 
+observer of the current situation and it does not have an insurance 
+connotation.
+    With respect to the non-U.S. underwriter community (approximately 
+2/3 of the market is overseas), I suggest an annual license be adopted 
+for each underwriter for all projects. A license is now issued to each 
+underwriter for each launch to be insured or each satellite on-orbit, 
+no matter how similar the satellites are. While the current government 
+employees are very efficient in processing licenses, it seems a waste 
+of time. A streamlined approach would be simpler.
+                   Answers to Post-Hearing Questions
+Responses by Wolfgang H. Demisch, President, Demisch Associates, LLC
+
+Questions submitted by Chairman Ken Calvert
+
+Q1.  The Federal Government invests large sums of money in space and 
+aeronautics research and development. From an economic perspective 
+which has a greater return on investment for the U.S. economy, 
+investments in space or investments in aeronautics? Are there specific 
+areas within either space or aeronautics that have a particularly high 
+return on investment?
+
+A1. The economic contribution of the aeronautics sector substantially 
+exceeds that of the space segment, both in terms of direct sales as 
+well as when factoring in the associated business activity. Moreover, 
+because a substantial fraction of the federal space funding is 
+committed to support manned space operations, an investment whose goals 
+are primarily social rather than economic, the returns on space 
+spending are further diluted. Historically, the Congress has not 
+wavered in its steadfast support of advanced technology development, 
+with aerospace a leading beneficiary. Experience has shown that 
+advanced technology brings enormous social benefit through the new 
+industries and jobs that it makes possible. Hence at the national level 
+it has been the Congress's choice to support ambitious new technology 
+and leave marginal improvements to industry. To achieve a better return 
+on its aerospace investment, the Congress may find it useful to take a 
+wider perspective on the challenges facing the aeronautics and space 
+communities. In civil aeronautics, the aerodynamics and structures 
+technology is mature.
+    One limiting factor is the need for manual control of each 
+individual flight. This is both economically burdensome, (crew costs, 
+along with fuel and capital, are one of the three largest elements in 
+the air carriers direct operating cost) and a safety/reliability issue, 
+particularly in general aviation. A more aggressive push to achieve 
+automatic fight, with increased safety standards from what we now 
+accept, should be a national goal Deployment would presumably start 
+with the cargo carriers, but should spread very quickly as it would 
+transform airline economics and greatly improve the utility of general 
+aviation. Achieving this capability requires at the very least seamless 
+cooperation between the FAA and NASA, plus superior software 
+integration, but the payoff is very large.
+    Feasibility is clearly demonstrated by the growing numbers of 
+military UAVs now routinely deployed in the U.S. and abroad.
+    In the military aerospace segment, strategists are seeking much 
+higher speed flight vehicles and very long endurance systems. Much 
+better materials and more efficient power sources are prerequisites for 
+these efforts. unfortunately, although NASA has much experience in 
+these issues, the NASA effort in these areas is small and shrinking. 
+The success of the X-43 program last year is not being pursued, even 
+though the return on investment from operational hypersonics for the 
+country appears compelling.
+    The returns on space investments are often smaller simply because 
+of time. The most promising commercial space businesses are 
+communications and Earth observation both substantially regulated and 
+hence subject to long delays before new technology can be brought to 
+market. For instance, the Ka band communications now beginning to be 
+offered were demonstrated in the 70s by NASA's experimental and very 
+successful ATS III satellite. To rebuild the Nation's technology 
+reserves and to restore NASA to its proper role as a technology 
+generator for the national economy, in my opinion, it would be 
+beneficial to encourage really challenging goals, objectives that 
+cannot be met with off the shelf systems. one such goal could be deep 
+space, to send probes out towards nearby stars, recognizing that such a 
+mission would last perhaps centuries. The task would set new standards 
+for advanced propulsion, ultra light structures, sensors and power 
+systems, plus extreme reliability. Another goal might be comprehensive 
+and ongoing multi-spectral Earth observation. To properly assess the 
+implications of the geyser of environmental, economic and military data 
+such a system would generate represents the data management challenge 
+of the century, but the rewards are proportionate.
+
+                   Answers to Post-Hearing Questions
+
+Responses by Molly K. Macauley, Senior Fellow and Director, Academic 
+        Programs, Resources for the Future
+
+Questions submitted by Chairman Ken Calvert
+
+Q1.  The Federal Government invests large sums of money in space and 
+aeronautics research and development. From an economic perspective 
+which has a greater return on investment for the U.S. economy, 
+investments in space or investments in aeronautics?
+
+A1. I appreciate the importance of this question, as the answer should 
+guide budgetary allocations for both of these fields. However, I have 
+not and do not know of any economic analyses comparing these 
+investments on an apples-to-apples basis (that is, with comparable 
+methods, time periods, and other modeling criteria).
+
+Q2.  Are there specific areas within either space or aeronautics that 
+have a particularly high return on investment for the overall economy?
+
+A2. Although I am not aware of studies that can provide an answer, the 
+field of economics usually argues that government investment, as 
+differentiated from private sector investment, has the higher return 
+and the less potential to crowd out private investment when made on 
+innovation that is generic, hence hard for private investors to capture 
+a return.
+
+Questions submitted by Representative Mark Udall
+
+Q1.  What future markets do you see for the commercial remote sensing 
+industry?
+
+A1. I see at least three markets. One market is providing services to 
+operational civil and military government agencies, as implemented by 
+funding awards to the commercial industry from the National Geospatial 
+Intelligence Agency. On the civil side, the Federal Government has yet 
+to provide a ``one-stop'' agency through which government can arrange 
+for imagery purchases to support activities of the EPA, DOI, Dept. of 
+Agriculture, Dept. of Energy, and other agencies. Yet the market seems 
+to be there. For instance, while not a federal agency data purchase, 
+the State of Hawaii has recently arranged to buy Quickbird imagery from 
+DigitalGlobe to map rainy terrain in Kauai County. It is key that the 
+imagery had to be of adequate resolution to meet the requirements of 
+FEMA's Digital Flood Insurance Rate Map (see Space News, 6 June 2005, 
+p. 13). It is also worth noting that the products that the commercial 
+remote sensing industry provides are derivatives of sensor 
+instrumentation and spacecraft bus designs pioneered by NASA's four 
+decades' of remote sensing science and technology.
+    A second market is sales to commercial markets--agribusiness, real 
+estate, utilities, etc. Here, the commercial markets are still coming 
+up to speed in terms of having the expertise and technology in place 
+for making use of imagery. At the same time, the commercial imagery 
+world needs to better develop and market its products for the 
+commercial sector. The commercial imagery world still is quite 
+provincial in producing products with limited general appeal.
+    A third market yet to be tapped is that of providing imagery and 
+other data from space assets for the purpose of monitoring compliance 
+with domestic environmental regulation and international environmental 
+agreements.
+
+Q2.  What do you consider to be the biggest obstacles to growth and 
+sustainability of the commercial remote sensing industry?
+
+A2. I see the biggest obstacles to be:
+
+        --  failure to market more consumer-oriented, easy to use and 
+        understand products. This calls for better annotation of 
+        imagery as well as a Microsoft-approach to product design.
+
+        --  failure to think outside the government procurement 
+        mechanisms to exercise more mainstream, consumer-oriented 
+        pricing and marketing
+
+        --  a possible concern about innovation and R&D, typically the 
+        role of NASA. Cutbacks in the Earth science budget may not 
+        ensure that our remote sensing industry remains state-of-the-
+        art.
+
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+                   Additional Material for the Record
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+                 Statement of Herbert F. Satterlee, III
+        Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, DigitalGlobe, Inc.
+
+    Mr. Chairman, Mr. Ranking Member, and Members of the Subcommittee, 
+I would like to thank you for the opportunity to discuss the future 
+market for commercial space and specifically as it pertains to the 
+remote sensing and satellite imagery industry. I am the Chairman and 
+Chief Executive Officer of DigitalGlobe, a commercial remote sensing 
+and satellite imagery and information company based in Longmont, 
+Colorado.
+    There are three commercial imagery companies currently operating in 
+the United States, each with one satellite on orbit. Launched in 2001, 
+DigitalGlobe's QuickBird satellite offers the world's highest 
+resolution imagery commercially available at 61 centimeter resolution. 
+Thornton, Colorado-based Space Imaging and Dulles, VA-based ORBIMAGE 
+operate the IKONOS and OrbView3 satellites respectively, both at 
+approximately one meter resolution. All three companies provide 
+unclassified, high resolution satellite imagery to government and 
+commercial customers worldwide for a variety of market applications 
+such as defense and intelligence, homeland security, agriculture, 
+forestry, oil and gas, environmental assessment, disaster planning, 
+mitigation and recovery, flood insurance mapping, transportation and 
+more.
+    Despite the vast range of potential markets for commercial 
+satellite imagery, the industry has been slower to develop than 
+originally anticipated. Still, the industry sees steady commercial 
+growth with each fiscal quarter, and increased interest and demand from 
+government and commercial customers. Strong U.S. Government anchor-
+tenant commitments have helped this industry maintain momentum as it 
+develops commercial markets, and a continued commitment from the U.S. 
+Government will be necessary until the full commercial market develops. 
+These markets will not fully develop until we address the expensive and 
+risky nature of the commercial space business which inhibits the 
+realization of the industry's full potential. The cost of access to 
+space has been a tremendous barrier to entry, and will continue to 
+stifle industry's progress in making this business profitable. In order 
+for the U.S. commercial satellite imagery industry to remain 
+competitive with foreign and other domestic competitors and achieve its 
+maximum potential, the cost of access to space needs to be 
+significantly reduced.
+
+Access to Space is a Competitive Discriminator
+
+    DigitalGlobe, clearly the leading commercial satellite imagery 
+company in the remote sensing industry, has been in operation since 
+2001 with the launch of our QuickBird satellite. DigitalGlobe won the 
+industry's largest-ever U.S. Government contract in 2003, and just 
+recently signed the biggest, most prominent commercial contract the 
+industry has ever seen. However, in recognizing these accomplishments 
+and celebrating our successes, we must not forget the long, tumultuous 
+road we've traveled and the challenges that lie ahead for DigitalGlobe 
+and the entire industry.
+    Because of the tremendous cost associated with launching and 
+operating commercial satellite imaging systems, it is an extremely 
+risky business. One of the most significant challenges in successfully 
+getting three companies to orbit has been the cost of access to space 
+(including the consequent insurance premiums). All three of the 
+commercial U.S. operators struggled to enter the market, each having 
+experienced at least one launch or on-orbit failure. Approximately 
+fifty percent of the cost to put DigitalGlobe's QuickBird system in 
+orbit was related to launch and insurance costs, totaling tens of 
+millions of dollars. Access to space in the past has been one of 
+biggest barriers to building a successful commercial industry, and it 
+will continue to be a major discriminator in the future.
+    Although the commercial satellite imagery industry has several 
+benefits over its market rival, the aerial photography industry, it 
+nevertheless experiences a major competitive disadvantage. The cost to 
+develop and fly a commercial aerial photography sensor in an airplane 
+is far less expensive than the cost to build and launch a commercial 
+imaging satellite; yet, to stay viable, commercial satellite imagery 
+providers must offer pricing competitive to that of the aerial 
+photography companies.
+    Not only does our industry see competition from domestic 
+competitors, but also from foreign satellite imagery providers. Foreign 
+competitors are gaining a foothold in the global marketplace, and 
+subsidization from foreign governments is a significant contributing 
+factor. The U.S. companies make up the only truly commercial industry, 
+having launched three satellites, all financed through private capital. 
+Foreign providers enjoy partial or full subsidization from their 
+governments, enabling them to more quickly realize a profit.
+    As the Commission on the Future of the Unites States Aerospace 
+Industry identified, ``the cost to orbit is an essential ingredient for 
+progress.'' The cost of access to space needs to be significantly 
+reduced in order for the U.S. commercial satellite imaging industry to 
+remain competitive with foreign and other domestic competitors.
+
+The U.S. Government-Industry Partnership: A Mutual Reliance
+
+    In part because of the high cost for access to space, the 
+commercial satellite imagery operators have had to rely on significant 
+U.S. Government contracts to sustain the industry while we grow the 
+commercial markets. Long-term U.S. Government commitments such as the 
+National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency's ClearView and NextView 
+contracts have been key factors in allowing the industry to attract the 
+private investment necessary to serve fixture commercial markets. 
+Industry seeks a similar level of commitment from the U.S. civil 
+government agencies to help grow our businesses and markets.
+    While the U.S. Government has made a significant investment in the 
+industry, it receives tremendous value in return. As President Bush's 
+2003 Commercial Remote Sensing Space Policy recognized, a robust 
+commercial satellite imagery sector will ``advance and protect U.S. 
+national security and foreign policy interests,'' ``foster economic 
+growth, contribute to environmental stewardship, and enable scientific 
+and technological excellence.'' To this end, the President directed 
+U.S. Government agencies to ``rely to the maximum practical extent on 
+U.S. commercial remote sensing space capabilities'' and ``develop a 
+long-term, sustainable relationship between the United States 
+Government and the U.S. commercial remote sensing space industry.'' By 
+entering into long-term partnerships with industry and increasing its 
+reliance on commercial satellite imagery, the U.S. Government is able 
+to realize increased cost savings, streamline requirements among 
+agencies and reduce duplication of efforts.
+    U.S. Government reliance on commercial satellite imagery drives 
+further demand for and consumption of the technology. For example, as 
+the industry entered into the marketplace several years ago, the 
+initial demand from the defense and intelligence community was slow to 
+materialize. However, the reliance on commercial imagery during 
+military operations in Afghanistan and, even more so, in Iraq 
+demonstrated that commercial products and services were of even more 
+value than many had previously imagined. The ability to share 
+unclassified commercial imagery with coalition troops and allies was 
+invaluable, and the capacity of the industry to provide imagery to 
+troops on the ground sometimes within a few hours of collection was 
+remarkable. Because the use of commercial satellite imagery in these 
+two campaigns was proven to be highly successful, the defense and 
+intelligence communities have accelerated the convergence of commercial 
+technology with national imagery architectures, and will increasingly 
+rely on commercial sources to meet their mapping and intelligence 
+needs.
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+    Another area where commercial satellite imagery was a significant 
+factor in helping to complete a vital mission for the U.S. Government 
+and others throughout the world was during the Southeast Asian tsunami 
+crisis in December of 2004. Within hours of the event, commercial 
+satellite imagery of the devastated areas flowed via Internet 
+connection to U.S. and global emergency relief organizations. 
+DigitalGlobe offered newly collected imagery along with archived data 
+of the same geographic areas from our ImageLibrary, enabling relief 
+workers to assess the magnitude of the damage, navigate the altered 
+landscape, determine where infrastructure and medical facilities 
+previously existed or needed to be constructed, and decide on their 
+next courses of action.
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+    Data stored in the ImageLibrary is not only valuable for before-
+and-after assessments such as this, but also for assistance in pre-
+event emergency planning. For example, archived, yet current satellite 
+imagery could be extremely useful in emergency response planning for 
+future tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, forest fires, or other 
+disasters. Satellite imagery together with digital geographic 
+information systems (GIS) containing features such as key 
+infrastructures like roads, airports and utilities, and key 
+installations like hospitals, shelters, fire departments, and schools 
+can be helpful in planning evacuation and emergency scenarios.
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+Cultivating Commercial Markets
+
+    The global exposure that the tsunami and military operations 
+provided the commercial satellite imagery industry has not only been 
+instrumental in increasing the U.S. Government reliance on the 
+technology, but also in cultivating new commercial markets. For 
+example, the news media's use of commercial satellite imagery during 
+Operation Iraqi Freedom captured the attention of the oil and gas 
+industry, which is now investigating the use of the technology for 
+vulnerability assessment, infrastructure security and exploration 
+purposes. And, State and local governments have focused more of their 
+attention on satellite technology for emergency planning and relief, 
+and homeland security purposes. Agriculture is another example of a 
+market with huge growth potential for our industry. By utilizing new 
+and archived commercial satellite imagery to assess crop and soil 
+conditions and detect change, growers can make faster, better informed 
+and more accurate crop management decisions, resulting in greater 
+productivity and higher revenues. The insurance industry can benefit 
+from utilizing high resolution commercial satellite imagery and 
+elevation data to determine flood, fire or other hazardous zones. Even 
+professional consumers such as realtors can use commercial satellite 
+imagery and other GIS technology to map and identify potentially 
+lucrative land development opportunities by being able to analyze 
+traffic patterns, population growth, census data, and key 
+infrastructure placement. And in addition to commercial businesses, 
+satellite imagery has even reached the individual consumer market with 
+the recent deal made between DigitalGlobe and the Internet search 
+engine Google to provide Internet surfers with current satellite 
+imagery of almost any researched location on Earth. The list of 
+potential commercial and consumer markets for commercial satellite 
+imagery goes on and on: forestry, environmental assessments, 
+transportation, port and airport security, economic development, etc.
+
+Conclusion
+
+    After experiencing many bumps along the road, the U.S. commercial 
+satellite imagery industry is experiencing steady growth and success. 
+However, the industry has had to put its future into the hands of the 
+U.S. Government. Without long-term U.S. Government commitments, U.S. 
+companies' plans to begin their next generation systems might still 
+only be ideas and briefing charts. Instead, the C1earView and NextView 
+programs have turned those charts into hardware for both DigitalGlobe 
+and ORBIMAGE by allowing our companies to attract the hundreds of 
+millions of dollars in private investment required to build and launch 
+our future generation systems.
+    Having more commercial satellite imaging assets in space multiplies 
+the benefit for both the U.S. Government and the vast array of 
+potential commercial customers. However, with launch and insurance 
+costs remaining extraordinarily excessive, government budgets facing 
+deficiencies, and foreign and domestic competition looming, the U.S. 
+commercial imagery industry still faces significant challenges. More 
+must be done to lower the cost of accessing space, or the commercial 
+satellite imagery industry will be challenged to realize its full 
+potential and provide the innovative solutions on which its government 
+and commercial customers have begun to rely.
+
+                Biography for Herbert F. Satterlee, III
+                 Chairman and Chief Executive Officer,
+                             DigitalGlobe
+
+    Mr. Satterlee joined the DigitalGlobe team in 1998, bringing more 
+than 25 years of experience in business and finance management for 
+space, defense and remote sensing programs. In the face of two 
+satellite failures prior to the successful launch of QuickBird in 2001, 
+Satterlee rebuilt DigitalGlobe by refocusing the management team, 
+boosting employee morale and confidence, leading the company out of 
+near bankruptcy and securing the financing necessary to move forward 
+with plans to build and launch QuickBird. Under Satterlee's direction, 
+DigitalGlobe became fully operational and began serving customers in 
+2002. Also under Satterlee's leadership, DigitalGlobe was granted a 
+quarter-meter imaging license by the U.S. Government, and was awarded 
+the NextView contract by the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency in 
+2003. Satterlee will help lead DigitalGlobe and the commercial remote 
+sensing industry into the next generation of imaging with the 
+construction and launch of the WorldView system no later than 2006. 
+Satterlee is member of board of directors for USGIF, on the advisory 
+committee for National Satellite Land Remote Sensing Data Archive, The 
+National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's (NOAA's) Advisory 
+Committee on Commercial Remote Sensing (ACCRES), and a member of MAPPS 
+and ASPRS.
+    Satterlee previously served as CEO of RESOURCE21 LLC, a Denver-
+based remote sensing information products company. There, Satterlee led 
+the development of aircraft-derived imagery information products for 
+the agriculture industry. Prior to that, Satterlee spent 19 years 
+working for Boeing Company, where he held several senior management 
+positions. He received a Bachelor's degree in business administration, 
+with a specialization in finance, from Washington State University, and 
+an executive Master's of business administration degree from the 
+University of Washington.
+
+About DigitalGlobe
+
+    DigitalGlobe is an Earth imagery and information company located in 
+Longmont, Colorado. With superior image resolution and unmatched 
+customer service, DigitalGlobe makes it easier than ever to use spatial 
+information to improve decisions in markets such as agriculture, civil 
+government, environment, infrastructure, exploration, visualization-
+simulation, and intelligence.
+    DigitalGlobe offers the world's highest resolution commercial 
+satellite imagery, the largest image size, and the greatest on-board 
+storage capacity of any satellite imagery provider. In addition, the 
+company's comprehensive ImageLibrary houses the most up-to-date images 
+available. DigitalGlobe established market leadership with the 2001 
+launch of its QuickBird satellite, and will continue its legacy with 
+the construction and launch of WorldView--the industry's next-
+generation commercial satellite imaging system.
+    DigitalGlobe's comprehensive geo-information product store--at 
+digitalglobe.com--delivers data for many types of project requirements. 
+Through this online store, customers can access a wide variety of 
+imagery and derivative information products, including 61-centimeter 
+panchromatic and 2.4-meter multi-spectral imagery--the highest 
+resolution satellite imagery commercially available.
+    In addition to technical superiority, DigitalGlobe distinguishes 
+itself through its commitment to quality, fairness and customer 
+satisfaction, and prides itself on being the most reliable and 
+responsive provider of satellite imagery and information products for 
+commercial and government applications.
+    DigitalGlobe's Basic Imagery products are designed for users with 
+advanced image processing capabilities. DigitalGlobe supplies QuickBird 
+camera model information with each Basic Imagery product, permitting 
+users to perform sophisticated photogrammetric processing such as 
+orthorectification and 3D feature extraction. Basic Imagery is the 
+least processed image product of the DigitalGlobe product suite.
+    Standard Imagery products are designed for users with knowledge of 
+remote sensing applications and image processing tools and require data 
+of modest absolute geometric accuracy and/or large area coverage. Each 
+Standard Image is radiometrically calibrated, corrected for sensor and 
+platform-induced distortions, and mapped to a cartographic projection.
+    Orthorectified Imagery products are designed for users who require 
+imagery products that are GIS-ready or have a high degree of absolute 
+geometric accuracy for analytical applications. Each Orthorectified 
+Image is radiometrically calibrated, corrected for sensor, platform-
+induced, geometric and topographic distortions, and mapped to a user-
+specified cartographic projection. Additionally, customers may choose 
+to have these imagery products digitally mosaiced, edge-matched, and 
+color-balanced to create seamless wide-area coverage. The panchromatic, 
+natural color, and color infrared versions of Orthorectified Imagery 
+are well suited for visual analysis and as backdrops for GIS and 
+mapping applications, while the multi-spectral version is best used for 
+image classification and analysis.
+    In addition to imagery products, DigitalGlobe provides product 
+solutions for environment/natural resources, civil government, 
+visualization-simulation, infrastructure, agriculture and other 
+markets. The products include cloud-free mosaics, vegetation maps, 
+bundled and merged products. DigitalGlobe also partners with industry 
+leaders to provide value-added imagery and information products.
+               Prepared Statement of Peter H. Diamandis,
+                 President and CEO, X Prize Foundation
+    Chairman Calvert and Members of the Committee, thank you for 
+permitting me to submit this testimony on market development for 
+personal space flight.
+    Today I wish to brief you on three subjects pertinent to your 
+discovery of the marketplace for space and our ability to meet the 
+needs of that market in the near future: First, the X-Prize 
+Competition; second, the critical need to support an emerging new crop 
+of space entrepreneurs; and third, the need to embrace an increased 
+level of risk in our exploration of space.
+
+The X-Prize Competition:
+
+The Power of a `Prize' to drive the market
+    There is a large and vibrant marketplace of individuals willing to 
+pay for the opportunity to fly into space. Recent surveys consistently 
+indicate that more than 60 percent of the U.S. public would welcome the 
+opportunity to take such a trip. The Futron organization quantifies 
+this public space flight market at more than $1 billion per year, over 
+the next 20 years.
+    On October 4, 2004, Burt Rutan and the Mojave Aerospace team, 
+supported by private financing from Mr. Paul Allen, won the ANSARI X-
+Prize Competition--proving to the world that sub-orbital flight was 
+possible to develop in the private sector, safely, and at low cost. 
+But, this is one vehicle. I support the notion that the market will not 
+be served until there are multiple vehicles offering a diversity of 
+competing spaceships serving this market.
+The X-Prize Competition
+    In 1995, I proposed an idea that would spur the industry into 
+motion to develop these myriad spacecraft. We funded the $10 million X-
+Prize and it was offered to the first private team to privately build a 
+ship and fly three adults to 100 kilometers altitude, twice within a 
+two-week period. The prize was purposefully funded to support the 
+development of a spaceship capable of meeting the current market 
+demand.
+    We announced the X-Prize Competition in May 1996 in St. Louis, 
+under the Arch with then NASA Administrator Dan Goldin and 20 
+astronauts, business leaders and visionaries. Twenty-seven teams from 
+seven nations signed up to compete over the next eight years. During 
+this time, 150 individuals deposited funds to reserve a ride on the 
+winning vehicle. The market for private space flight was born.
+    The result of the X-Prize competition was a miraculous rise in the 
+public's demand for space flight, coupled with the private sector 
+stepping forward with private funding to develop the vehicles. 
+Additionally, the prize maximized investment. For the promise of a $10 
+million prize, more than $50 million was spent by the competing teams 
+in research, development, and testing. Dozens of real spacecraft were 
+actually built and tested. Compare this to a $10 million investment 
+from a government procurement program, which historically has resulted 
+in one or two paper designs.
+    This is Darwinian evolution applied to spaceships. Rather than 
+paper competition with selection boards, the winner was determined by 
+the ignition of engines and flight of humans into space. Best of all, 
+we didn't pay a single dollar until the results were achieved.
+    The bottom line is that prizes work!
+NASA's Centennial Challenges
+    I'm also very proud of the critical role that the success of the X-
+Prize Competition played in inspiring NASA to create the newly 
+announced Centennial Challenges. These annual NASA prizes will help 
+encourage out-of-the-box thinking that is sorely needed in our risk-
+adverse space community. While the annual budget for NASA's Centennial 
+Challenges is only $25 million today, I imagine and ask for the 
+Committee's support for a future where 2.5 percent of the NASA budget, 
+some $400 million, would be offered each year. And, what would be truly 
+exciting is to see NASA combine its efforts in research with the 
+development efforts of the private sector--resulting in a two-tiered 
+system of space flight.
+    Entrepreneurs can solve the problems that large bureaucracies 
+cannot. Prizes offer NASA and the U.S. Government both fixed-cost 
+science and fixed-cost engineering. More importantly, prizes offer NASA 
+the passion and dedication of the entrepreneurial mind that cannot be 
+purchased at any price.
+    I encourage the Committee to fully embrace and support the use of 
+prizes for NASA's future Orbital, Moon and Mars initiatives.
+
+Public Support drives the economic engine
+
+    As a result of the ANSARI X-Prize Competition, the front pages of 
+Forbes, Investors Business Daily, Wall Street Journal, Wired, The 
+Washington Post and the New York Times began to report on a new breed 
+of space entrepreneurs. Companies representing the X-Prize teams, XCOR, 
+SpaceX, Zero Gravity Corporation and Space Adventures captured both 
+public attention and investor interest. For our space community, these 
+companies were the early versions of Apple, Microsoft and Netscape. 
+These companies embodied the entrepreneurial ``can-do'' spirit of 
+America. When the X-Prize was won, it was the number two story of the 
+year in 2004, headlining more than 300 newspapers and media outlets 
+worldwide.
+    Most of the new space companies, including Zero Gravity Corporation 
+which I founded, are focused on one specific market: Personal Space 
+Flight. Many of us believe that it is the only commercial market that 
+makes near-term sense. Call it space travel or barnstorming, the fact 
+is that the public will pay for a chance to fly into space. This is a 
+mass market that can yield a profit while developing breakthroughs in 
+launch operations. These two areas are the very essence of what is most 
+needed to develop a hearty industry.
+    The reason that space flight is so expensive today is simple--there 
+just isn't enough of it. The commercial launch market for satellites is 
+pathetically small, only 15-25 per year. The number of human space 
+launches is even smaller: four Space Shuttle flights and four Soyuz 
+flights.
+    What we need is not dozens, but thousands of space flights per 
+year. Flights that teach us about launch operations--how to refuel, re-
+tool and re-launch a fleet of reusable vehicles.
+    I recognize that the vehicles resulting from the X-Prize are only 
+sub-orbital ships, only one-thirtieth the size of today's orbital 
+ships, but the lessons we will learn from these vehicles are critical. 
+We will learn about operations, an area in which we are sorely lacking.
+    Everyone knows that the reason the Space Shuttle costs so much to 
+operate is not the fuel, but its dependence on a standing army of 
+10,000-plus professionals. We have people, watching people watching 
+people in order to increase safety margins.
+    In stark contrast, the reason that a crew of six can turn around a 
+Boeing 737 for its next flight in 20 minutes is the operational 
+robustness achieved through millions of flights conducted during the 
+first 50 years of aviation. Flights that began with 10-minute hops 
+across farmers' fields grew over time to transatlantic journeys. Our 
+space program has in essence skipped the learning stages of these 10-
+minute hops and went straight to orbital shots. We need to practice and 
+learn, but we cannot achieve the flight rates and experience base we 
+need with the Space Shuttle or the Crew Exploration Vehicle or any 
+other large government program.
+    The next generation of X-Prize vehicles will soon be competing in 
+the X-Prize Cup--an annual competition for rocket-powered aircraft and 
+future spacecraft. The X-Prize Cup is a partnership established between 
+the X-Prize Foundation and the State of New Mexico under the vision of 
+Governor Bill Richardson--specifically to support the new generation of 
+space entrepreneurs. During X-Prize Cup week, there will be an 
+Education Day with thousands of students learning about space, rocket 
+demonstrations and eventually races, and an exposition of space-related 
+technologies. In 2005, we will ``Countdown to the X-Prize Cup'' at the 
+Las Cruces International Airport from October 6-9.
+    I urge the Committee to join our efforts to recognize the need to 
+support the creation of personal space flight, if for no other reason 
+than to enable a high flight-rate and teach us about low-cost, safe and 
+frequent operations of rocket powered vehicles. NASA and the DOD should 
+embrace this new generation of sub-orbital vehicles to learn all they 
+can. Fly them frequently. Learn. Support America's space entrepreneurs.
+
+ACCEPTING RISK:
+
+    Finally I'd like to address the issue of risk. In contrast to 
+individuals who speak about reducing risk, I want to speak in favor of 
+taking more risk.
+    There is no question that the ANSARI X-Prize Competition involved 
+risk--so does going to the moon or Mars or opening any portion of the 
+space frontier. BUT, this is a risk worth taking!
+    As Americans, many of us forget the debt we owe to early explorers. 
+Tens of thousands of people risked their lives to open the `new world' 
+and the American West. Thousands lost their lives crossing the ocean 
+and then the plains--but we are here today because of their courage.
+    Space is a frontier and crossing new frontiers is inherently risky! 
+As explorers and as Americans, we must have the right to take risks 
+that we believe are worthwhile and significant. We owe it to ourselves 
+and to future generations. It is also critical that we take risk to 
+develop technology. It is critical that we allow for failure. Without 
+risk and without failure, we cannot initiate and realize the very 
+breakthroughs we so desperately need.
+    A breakthrough, by definition, is something that was considered a 
+``crazy idea'' the day before it became a breakthrough. If it wasn't 
+considered a crazy idea, then it really wasn't a breakthrough, but an 
+incremental improvement. Remember those immortal words, ``Failure is 
+not an option''. . .if we live and work in an environment where we 
+cannot fail, than breakthroughs may not be an option either.
+    In summary, I urge the Committee to support those efforts that will 
+allow us to realize our dreams of space exploration. Support prizes as 
+the most efficient mean to foster and enable breakthroughs in 
+technology and embrace risk. Help the American people understand that 
+space exploration is risky--but a risk worth taking.
+    Let's let space explorers be heroes once again.
+
+