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+[House Hearing, 108 Congress]
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+                             THE UNINSURED
+
+=======================================================================
+
+                                HEARING
+
+                               before the
+
+                         SUBCOMMITTEE ON HEALTH
+
+                                 of the
+
+                      COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS
+                     U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
+
+                      ONE HUNDRED EIGHTH CONGRESS
+
+                             SECOND SESSION
+
+                               __________
+
+                             MARCH 9, 2004
+
+                               __________
+
+                           Serial No. 108-50
+
+                               __________
+
+         Printed for the use of the Committee on Ways and Means
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+23-794                      WASHINGTON : 2005
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+
+                      COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS
+
+                   BILL THOMAS, California, Chairman
+
+PHILIP M. CRANE, Illinois            CHARLES B. RANGEL, New York
+E. CLAY SHAW, JR., Florida           FORTNEY PETE STARK, California
+NANCY L. JOHNSON, Connecticut        ROBERT T. MATSUI, California
+AMO HOUGHTON, New York               SANDER M. LEVIN, Michigan
+WALLY HERGER, California             BENJAMIN L. CARDIN, Maryland
+JIM MCCRERY, Louisiana               JIM MCDERMOTT, Washington
+DAVE CAMP, Michigan                  GERALD D. KLECZKA, Wisconsin
+JIM RAMSTAD, Minnesota               JOHN LEWIS, Georgia
+JIM NUSSLE, Iowa                     RICHARD E. NEAL, Massachusetts
+SAM JOHNSON, Texas                   MICHAEL R. McNULTY, New York
+JENNIFER DUNN, Washington            WILLIAM J. JEFFERSON, Louisiana
+MAC COLLINS, Georgia                 JOHN S. TANNER, Tennessee
+ROB PORTMAN, Ohio                    XAVIER BECERRA, California
+PHIL ENGLISH, Pennsylvania           LLOYD DOGGETT, Texas
+J.D. HAYWORTH, Arizona               EARL POMEROY, North Dakota
+JERRY WELLER, Illinois               MAX SANDLIN, Texas
+KENNY C. HULSHOF, Missouri           STEPHANIE TUBBS JONES, Ohio
+SCOTT MCINNIS, Colorado
+RON LEWIS, Kentucky
+MARK FOLEY, Florida
+KEVIN BRADY, Texas
+PAUL RYAN, Wisconsin
+ERIC CANTOR, Virginia
+
+                    Allison H. Giles, Chief of Staff
+
+                  Janice Mays, Minority Chief Counsel
+
+                                 ______
+
+                         SUBCOMMITTEE ON HEALTH
+
+                NANCY L. JOHNSON, Connecticut, Chairman
+
+JIM MCCRERY, Louisiana               FORTNEY PETE STARK, California
+PHILIP M. CRANE, Illinois            GERALD D. KLECZKA, Wisconsin
+SAM JOHNSON, Texas                   JOHN LEWIS, Georgia
+DAVE CAMP, Michigan                  JIM MCDERMOTT, Washington
+JIM RAMSTAD, Minnesota               LLOYD DOGGETT, Texas
+PHIL ENGLISH, Pennsylvania
+JENNIFER DUNN, Washington
+
+Pursuant to clause 2(e)(4) of Rule XI of the Rules of the House, public 
+hearing records of the Committee on Ways and Means are also published 
+in electronic form. The printed hearing record remains the official 
+version. Because electronic submissions are used to prepare both 
+printed and electronic versions of the hearing record, the process of 
+converting between various electronic formats may introduce 
+unintentional errors or omissions. Such occurrences are inherent in the 
+current publication process and should diminish as the process is 
+further refined.
+
+
+                            C O N T E N T S
+
+                               __________
+
+                                                                   Page
+
+Advisory of March 2, 2004, announcing the hearing................     2
+
+                               WITNESSES
+
+Congressional Budget Office, Douglas Holtz-Eakin, Director.......     6
+
+                                 ______
+
+Center for Consumer Driven Health Care, Galen Institute, Greg 
+  Scandlen.......................................................    56
+Center for Studying Health System Change, Len M. Nichols.........    41
+Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured, Diane Rowland...    23
+University of southern California, Center for Health Financing, 
+  Policy and Management, Glenn Melnick...........................    49
+
+                       SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD
+
+AdvaMed, statement...............................................    85
+American Academy of Actuaries, statement.........................    86
+American College of Physicians, statement........................    92
+Associated Builders and Contractors, Arlington, VA, statement....    96
+Catholic Health Association of the United States, Michael, D. 
+  Place, statement...............................................    98
+Communicating for Agriculture and the Self-Employed, Fergus 
+  Falls, MN, Wayne Nelson, letter................................   101
+March of Dimes, Marina L. Weiss, statement.......................   102
+National Conference for Community and Justice, Sanford Cloud Jr., 
+  statement......................................................   105
+National Federation of Independent Business, statement...........   106
+Neltner Billing and Consulting, Independence, KY, Martin E. 
+  Neltner, statement.............................................   108
+
+
+                             THE UNINSURED
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+
+
+                         TUESDAY, MARCH 9, 2004
+
+             U.S. House of Representatives,
+                       Committee on Ways and Means,
+                                    Subcommittee on Health,
+                                                    Washington, DC.
+
+    The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 2:25 p.m., in 
+room 1100, Longworth House Office Building, Hon. Nancy L. 
+Johnson (Chairman of the Subcommittee) presiding.
+    [The advisory announcing the hearing follows:]
+
+ADVISORY FROM THE COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS
+SUBCOMMITTEE ON HEALTH
+                                                CONTACT: (202) 225-3943
+FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
+March 02, 2004
+HL-5
+
+               Johnson Announces Hearing on the Uninsured
+
+    Congresswoman Nancy L. Johnson (R-CT), Chairman, Subcommittee on 
+Health of the Committee on Ways and Means, today announced that the 
+Subcommittee will hold a hearing on the uninsured. The hearing will 
+take place on Tuesday, March 9, 2004, in the main Committee hearing 
+room, 1100 Longworth House Office Building, beginning at 2:00 p.m.
+    In view of the limited time available to hear witnesses, oral 
+testimony at this hearing will be from invited witnesses only. 
+Witnesses will include Douglas Holtz-Eakin, Director of the 
+Congressional Budget Office, and experts on the uninsured population 
+and health insurance. However, any individual or organization not 
+scheduled for an oral appearance may submit a written statement for 
+consideration by the Committee and for inclusion in the printed record 
+of the hearing.
+      
+
+BACKGROUND:
+
+      
+    This hearing will focus on Americans who lack health insurance 
+coverage--a constantly changing group as some gain and others lose 
+coverage. Estimates of the number of uninsured range from 20 to 60 
+million, depending upon the definition of uninsured, and the length of 
+time considered. For example, the Congressional Budget Office estimates 
+that between 21 and 31 million people were uninsured for all of 1998, 
+about 40 million were uninsured at any point in time during 1998, and 
+nearly 60 million were uninsured at some point in 1998. According to 
+analysis by the Census Bureau, the number of non-elderly who were 
+uninsured increased each year from 2000 to 2002, after falling the 
+previous two years.
+    The uninsured are not all alike: they encompass a wide range of 
+characteristics. While some uninsured tend to have lower than average 
+income, and tend to be in poorer health, others are young and healthy. 
+Over 50 percent of the non-elderly who were uninsured at any time 
+during 1998 had incomes over 200 percent of the poverty level. In 1998, 
+90 percent of those who were uninsured all year were in working 
+families.
+    In announcing the hearing, Chairman Johnson stated, ``When 
+Americans who lack health insurance coverage get ill, many suffer lower 
+access to care and higher costs. We must understand who lacks coverage 
+and why, before we can identify solutions to the problems the uninsured 
+face when they need health care.''
+      
+
+FOCUS OF THE HEARING:
+
+      
+    The hearing continues the Subcommittee's consideration of the 
+issues concerning Americans who lack access to affordable health 
+insurance. The first panel will discuss the identification of 
+individuals without health insurance and changes in the number 
+uninsured over time. The second panel will help Members understand the 
+causes and consequences of lack of health insurance, tax and regulatory 
+policies that affect access to health insurance, and consequences faced 
+by some of the uninsured who are hospitalized. This hearing will lay 
+the groundwork for future hearings on options to address the problems 
+of the uninsured.
+      
+
+DETAILS FOR SUBMISSION OF WRITTEN COMMENTS:
+
+      
+    Please note: Due to the change in House mail policy, any person or 
+organization wishing to submit a written statement for the printed 
+record of the hearing should send it electronically to 
+[email protected], along with a fax copy to 
+(202) 225-2610, by the close of business, Tuesday March 23, 2004. Those 
+filing written statements who wish to have their statements distributed 
+to the press and interested public at the hearing should deliver their 
+200 copies to the Subcommittee on Health in room 1136 Longworth House 
+Office Building, in an open and searchable package 48 hours before the 
+hearing. The U.S. Capitol Police will refuse unopened and unsearchable 
+deliveries to all House Office Buildings.
+      
+
+FORMATTING REQUIREMENTS:
+
+      
+    Each statement presented for printing to the Committee by a 
+witness, any written statement or exhibit submitted for the printed 
+record or any written comments in response to a request for written 
+comments must conform to the guidelines listed below. Any statement or 
+exhibit not in compliance with these guidelines will not be printed, 
+but will be maintained in the Committee files for review and use by the 
+Committee.
+      
+    1. Due to the change in House mail policy, all statements and any 
+accompanying exhibits for printing must be submitted electronically to 
+[email protected], along with a fax copy to 
+(202) 225-2610, in WordPerfect or MS Word format and MUST NOT exceed a 
+total of 10 pages including attachments. Witnesses are advised that the 
+Committee will rely on electronic submissions for printing the official 
+hearing record.
+      
+    2. Copies of whole documents submitted as exhibit material will not 
+be accepted for printing. Instead, exhibit material should be 
+referenced and quoted or paraphrased. All exhibit material not meeting 
+these specifications will be maintained in the Committee files for 
+review and use by the Committee.
+      
+    3. Any statements must include a list of all clients, persons, or 
+organizations on whose behalf the witness appears. A supplemental sheet 
+must accompany each statement listing the name, company, address, 
+telephone and fax numbers of each witness.
+      
+    Note: All Committee advisories and news releases are available on 
+the World Wide Web at http://waysandmeans.house.gov.
+      
+    The Committee seeks to make its facilities accessible to persons 
+with disabilities. If you are in need of special accommodations, please 
+call 202-225-1721 or 202-226-3411 TTD/TTY in advance of the event (four 
+business days notice is requested). Questions with regard to special 
+accommodation needs in general (including availability of Committee 
+materials in alternative formats) may be directed to the Committee as 
+noted above.
+
+                                 
+
+    Chairman JOHNSON. Good afternoon. The hearing will come to 
+order. Today's hearing focuses on uninsured Americans, who they 
+are, and why they are uninsured. Since the Subcommittee on 
+Health last held a hearing on the uninsured in 2001, the number 
+of Americans without coverage has increased. Over 43 million 
+Americans, more than 1 in 7, are uninsured on any given day. In 
+my home State of Connecticut, more than a quarter million 
+residents live and work without health insurance. As we develop 
+legislative solutions, we need to understand the latest 
+research on the uninsured and the barriers they face in 
+purchasing coverage.
+    We will hear from our expert panelists that the uninsured 
+are a dynamic group which is constantly changing as people gain 
+and others lose coverage. The number of Americans who are 
+uninsured depends on the definition of the uninsured, 
+especially how long a person is uninsured and whom you count. 
+Analysis by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) shows that if 
+you look at people who are uninsured for an entire year or 
+longer, you find between 21 million and 31 million uninsured. 
+If you look at any given day in a year, about 40 million are 
+uninsured. If you consider those who are uninsured at any point 
+during a year, nearly 60 million are uninsured.
+    The uninsured are a diverse and divergent group 
+demographically as well. Among the non-elderly who are 
+uninsured all year, one-quarter are under age 18, but one-fifth 
+are over 45. Three-quarters have income less than two times the 
+poverty level, but 5 percent have income four times the poverty 
+level. One-quarter lack a high school diploma, but one-third 
+attended college.
+    One characteristic may come as a surprise to many. About 90 
+percent of the uninsured live in working families, and 40 
+percent live in families with a full-time worker. Over 60 
+percent of uninsured individuals do not have access to 
+insurance through their employer, often a small business. In 
+Connecticut, for example, 59 percent of the uninsured adults 
+work for companies with fewer than 100 employees and 30 
+percent, or 76,000 people in Connecticut, work at a company 
+with fewer than 10 employees.
+    Finally, some of the uninsured are eligible for public 
+programs but fail to enroll. For example, one-third of 
+uninsured children were eligible for Medicaid. Others are 
+eligible for the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP). 
+The presence of the uninsured is a significant problem in our 
+Nation's health care system. The Subcommittee understands the 
+importance of addressing this problem, both because those 
+without health coverage often go without health care and 
+because the payment structure supporting our providers no 
+longer accommodates the cost shifting that used to absorb the 
+cost of care of the uninsured. Indeed, for the individual 
+uninsured person, he or she is more than three times likely to 
+delay care, more than three times likely to leave a 
+prescription unfilled, and far more likely to face financial 
+ruin as a result of health care costs than an insured 
+individual.
+    From the point of view of the provider network, emergency 
+rooms are closing and doctors are being forced to limit the 
+number of nonpayers they accept for care as costs rise and 
+payments fall. So, both for the sake of the individual 
+uninsured people in America and to preserve our health care 
+delivery capability for all, we must assure that every American 
+has access to affordable health care. Today our experts will 
+help us review the who, when, and why questions about the 
+uninsured so that we may turn at a later date to the question 
+of how to fix the problem.
+    First we will hear testimony from the director of the CBO, 
+Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who will focus on the diversity of the 
+uninsured, and, given that diversity, the multiple approaches 
+in the future we will have to consider. Actually he is not 
+going to consider the multiple approaches. I sort of misread my 
+punctuation there. I say that, given that diversity, I believe 
+we will be required to approach this problem from many 
+different points of view. Our second panel will turn to further 
+examination of the uninsured population and our experts will 
+discuss barriers to affordable coverage and myths about the 
+uninsured. I would like to recognize Mr. Stark, the Ranking 
+Member, for an opening statement.
+    Mr. STARK. Thank you, Madam Chair. I appreciate your 
+calling this hearing. I must admit it feels a little bit like 
+Ground Hog Day. Year after year we hold hearings and report on 
+the uninsured and year after year we hear that the numbers 
+continue to rise. Year after year we fail to take any action. I 
+say that through a series of various Administrations and 
+political control. We know who the uninsured are and we know 
+why they are uninsured and we could fix it.
+    Even President Bush knows how to get there, and that is why 
+he is promoting national health insurance for the people in 
+Iraq. It may sound strange that I agree with the President on 
+something, but in this case his idea that a system of national 
+insurance is the most equitable, efficient means of insuring 
+all people is right. I only wish that he would decide to extend 
+that same generosity to his folks here at home so that everyone 
+in our great country could have the benefits of a national 
+health insurance program.
+    My friend and our own Secretary of Health and Human 
+Services has basically said that Americans deserve less than 
+national insurance. A week ago, when he was asked about our 
+policy in Iraq, he said, well, and I am quoting him: ``Even if 
+you don't have health insurance in America, you get taken care 
+of.'' I am not sure what that means, ``taken care of.'' That 
+could be defined as universal health care. I find it alarming 
+that our Administration would equate eventual treatment in an 
+emergency room or a charity clinic, often too late to avoid 
+serious damage or death, as universal health care.
+    We know better than that. The Institute of Medicine will 
+tell us that 18,000 Americans die prematurely each year due to 
+the effects of lack of health insurance coverage. The Kaiser 
+Family Foundation in their 2003 health insurance survey found 
+that half of uninsured adults postpone seeking medical care, 
+and over a third say they need it but did not get medical care 
+in the last year. Their survey also found that a third of the 
+uninsured had a serious problem paying their medical bills in 
+the past year and a quarter were contacted by a collection 
+agency, if not having homes foreclosed or threatened with 
+bankruptcy.
+    The uninsured are more likely than those with insurance to 
+be hospitalized for conditions that could have been avoided. 
+``Sicker and Poorer: The Consequences of Being Uninsured,'' a 
+report by the Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured, 
+found that better health would improve annual earnings by 10 to 
+30 percent for private companies.
+    The statistics go on. We know how to solve the problem. We 
+have programs that work in this country. They work in the State 
+of Hawaii. They are up above 95 percent covered, which is far 
+better than we are able to do. We have employer-sponsored 
+insurance for workers. We have got public programs such as 
+Medicare, Medicaid, State Children's Health Insurance Program 
+(SCHIP), Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act 
+(COBRA). We could build on those programs. All we need is 
+somebody in the White House and their adherence here and in the 
+Senate to roll up our sleeves and say, let's do it. We could go 
+to work tomorrow and require some kind of, I don't care what it 
+is, pay or play. We could do it, there is nothing new in this 
+world of providing medical care to all Americans. It ought to 
+start right here and I would love to join with the Chair and 
+introduce a bill next week and let's see how far we can go. 
+Thank you.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. Thank you, Mr. Stark. I hope that our 
+testimony today will create a better factual basis for 
+legislative action. Dr. Holtz-Eakin.
+
+      STATEMENT OF DOUGLAS HOLTZ-EAKIN, PH.D., DIRECTOR, 
+                  CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE
+
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. Chairman Johnson, Mr. Stark, Members of 
+the Committee, thank you for the chance for CBO to be here 
+today and present some of the work we have done on the 
+uninsured. I have a written statement which I will submit for 
+the record and I will instead use this time to touch briefly on 
+the highlights, some of which the Chairman has introduced in 
+her opening remarks.
+    Probably the easiest way to do this is through the use of 
+the four charts that we brought along. The first chart is 
+focused on the question of how many people are uninsured. The 
+answer really depends on how one asks the question. One could 
+ask the question, How many people are uninsured for an entire 
+year, for a full year? If the question is asked that way, using 
+data from three different surveys--and these data are from 1998 
+but recent research suggests the basic patterns are unchanged--
+you would have an answer of roughly 20 to 30 million 
+individuals who are uninsured for the entire year.
+    In contrast, you could ask the question, How many people 
+experience some spell of uninsurance during a year, however 
+short or long? If one asked the question in that way, you get a 
+much larger number, about 60 million individuals. Those are the 
+bars on the right-hand side of the chart. Instead what you 
+typically hear is the number 40 million. That is the answer to 
+the question, if you walked out on the street and asked how 
+many people are uninsured in this week or on this day, there 
+would be a mixture of those two groups: those who have short 
+spells and long spells, and that number is about 40 million 
+individuals.
+    As these numbers suggest and as we show in Chart 2, there 
+are radically different experiences in terms of the duration of 
+spells of uninsurance. For some individuals, about 45 percent, 
+the duration of such a spell would be under 4 months. That is 
+shown as the large wedge in the pie chart on the left. In 
+contrast, about 29 percent, nearly 30 percent of individuals 
+experience a spell of uninsurance that exceeds 1 year in 
+length. The remainder lie in between.
+    As a result of this mixture of individuals with short and 
+long spells, if you walk out on the street again and find a 
+person who is not insured and ask the question, How long would 
+this person be uninsured, you are more likely to find somebody 
+who has a long spell of uninsurance because of their prevalence 
+in the population and that is displayed on the right-hand pie 
+chart. The policy implications of this, I think, are fairly 
+straightforward. One size evidently does not fit all and it 
+suggests that there are really broadly two different kinds of 
+problems of uninsurance: those with short spells perhaps driven 
+by labor market dislocations and job transitions; and those 
+with longer spells which exceed a year in length.
+    The next question is, What do the individuals look like in 
+these different spells? This is laid out in Tables 1 and 2 in 
+the testimony. The highlights of that are that adults are more 
+likely to suffer uninsurance in large part because the children 
+are more likely to be covered by Medicaid and SCHIP programs in 
+the United States. Those who are uninsured tend to be of lower 
+income and lower education and, as the Chairman noticed in her 
+opening remarks, in working families, but there is not a large 
+difference by health status. There appears to be no like 
+defining characteristic on that dimension.
+    Among those with longer spells, again we find those who are 
+poorer, lower income, and lower education. This suggests that 
+these are individuals who are in jobs without employer-
+sponsored insurance. There was also the case that among 
+different ethnic groups, Hispanics are more likely to suffer 
+long spells; and among the age distribution, younger 
+individuals are more likely to be represented there as well.
+    A moral that comes out of looking at the vast array of 
+statistics that characterize the uninsured and the duration of 
+spells of uninsured is that it is a very multidimensional 
+problem and it will not be simple to target a single 
+characteristic to identify those who would be likely to be 
+uninsured or even uninsured for a great length of time. All of 
+this diversity and dynamics occurs within longer term trends in 
+the top line number, the fraction of individuals without 
+insurance.
+    We show in the next chart some of the patterns over the 
+past two decades in the level of uninsurance in the population. 
+Out of the 160 million Americans with insurance, about 64 
+percent receive their insurance through their employer. That is 
+down about 6 percentage points from the beginning of the chart 
+in 1997. If you look, the large move occurred between 1987 and 
+1993 when there was about a 6 percentage point drop in the 
+total level of employer-sponsored insurance. Since then, we 
+have seen a modest rise and then a reversal during the most 
+recent time period.
+    The Medicaid pattern in the green bar roughly offsets the 
+trend in employer-sponsored insurance. This suggests that one 
+concern may be that variations in new sources of insurance, 
+such as Medicaid or expansions of other types, may offset 
+existing employer-sponsored insurance or crowd it out to some 
+extent, a topic to which I will return before I close.
+    The topic of the hearing itself, the dotted red line, is 
+the rise in uninsurance, which is now about 17 percent overall, 
+up about 3 and one-half percentage points. One lesson I think 
+that is easy to draw from that chart is that the uninsured 
+problem is not new; indeed it is a chronic condition in the 
+United States and needs to be revisited in all its forms.
+    The final chart examines more carefully the link between 
+health insurance premiums and uninsurance. I want to say at the 
+outset that the link between these two is far from simple. One 
+could imagine a situation in which premiums rose in the absence 
+of any change in the underlying benefit from being insured, and 
+in those circumstances it is quite rational for individuals to 
+choose to purchase less insurance, and we might see uninsurance 
+rise.
+    On the other hand, to the extent that health care costs per 
+se simply go up, the value of insurance rises and one might 
+expect more individuals to choose to purchase insurance and to 
+negotiate with their employers to get coverage. So, there is 
+not an absolute relationship between premiums which may be 
+driven by benefit increases and premiums which are not and the 
+rate of uninsurance.
+    Nevertheless, a casual inspection of the historical record 
+suggests some relationship between rising health insurance 
+premiums, an episode in the late eighties and early nineties, 
+and more recently have both coincided with declines in the 
+overall level of the rate of insurance. That may come in 
+roughly two kinds of categories, those which are related to 
+business cycles. We discuss in the testimony the notion that 
+COBRA coverage may also come with not only the opportunity to 
+buy but the obligation to pay a much higher premium in the face 
+of diminished income--that would be difficult--but also for 
+longer term movements in the crowd-out between the enhanced 
+Medicaid programs and the acquisition of private insurance. 
+Some estimates in the literature suggest that expansions in 
+Medicaid are offset by as much as 10 to 25 percent in reduced 
+private insurance. With that overview of the testimony, I would 
+like to close and be happy to answer your questions.
+    [The prepared statement of Dr. Holtz-Eakin follows:]
+
+Statement of Douglas Holtz-Eakin, Ph.D., Director, Congressional Budget 
+                                 Office
+
+    Chairman Johnson and Members of the Subcommittee, I appreciate the 
+opportunity to be here today to discuss the characteristics of people 
+without health insurance and the relationship between health insurance 
+premiums and insurance coverage. Although more than 240 million people 
+in the United States have health insurance today through a variety of 
+private and public sources, millions of others do not; and the 
+percentage of Americans who are uninsured has risen in each of the last 
+two years for which information is available.
+    In my testimony today, I will discuss some important 
+characteristics of the uninsured population that have received 
+relatively little attention but that have important implications for 
+federal policies to expand insurance coverage. I will also discuss the 
+implications of rising health insurance premiums for insurance coverage 
+rates and the potential costs of federal programs to expand coverage.
+Characteristics of the Uninsured Population
+    In recent years, it has been frequently stated that about 40 
+million Americans lack health insurance coverage. That estimate, by 
+itself, presents an incomplete and potentially misleading picture of 
+the uninsured population. The uninsured population is constantly 
+changing as people gain coverage and lose coverage. Furthermore, people 
+vary greatly in the length of time that they remain uninsured. Some 
+people are uninsured for long periods of time, but more are uninsured 
+for shorter periods.
+    There are several alternative measures of the number of people who 
+lack insurance coverage. One describes those people who do not have 
+coverage for a sustained period (say, one year)--the long-term 
+uninsured. Alternatively, another identifies how many individuals have 
+experienced any spell without insurance during a particular period. 
+Finally, the most commonly used measure (a mixture of those two others) 
+counts the number of individuals without insurance on any particular 
+day or in a certain week. Those different approaches yield different 
+numbers because of the continual movement of people into and out of the 
+uninsured population. The Congressional Budget Office's (CBO's) recent 
+analysis \1\ found that in 1998:
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \1\ Congressional Budget Office, How Many People Lack Health 
+Insurance and for How Long? (May 2003).
+
+      Between 21 million and 31 million people were uninsured 
+all year;
+      At any point in time during the year, about 40 million 
+people were uninsured; and
+      Nearly 60 million people were uninsured at some point 
+during the year (see Figure 1).
+Figure 1. Estimated Number of Nonelderly People Without Health 
+        Insurance in 1998
+
+        [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T3794A.001
+        
+                  Source: Congressional Budget Office.
+
+ Note: The Survey of Income and Program Participation is conducted by 
+the Census Bureau. The Medical Expenditure Panel Survey is conducted by 
+  the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality. The National Health 
+  Interview Survey, which reports only the point-in-time estimate, is 
+      sponsored by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
+
+    CBO conducted the analysis for 1998 because that was the most 
+recent year for which suitable data were available to construct all 
+three measures. More recent analyses by researchers at the Agency for 
+Healthcare Research and Quality indicate that those three measures of 
+the uninsured remained fairly stable in the subsequent period from 1998 
+to 2001.\2\
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \2\ Agency for Health Care Research and Quality, The Uninsured in 
+America--1996-2002, Statistical Brief No. 24, available at 
+www.ahrq.gov.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    Nearly 30 percent of Americans under age 65 who become uninsured in 
+a given year remain so for more than 12 months, while 45 percent obtain 
+coverage within four months (see Figure 2).\3\ Those estimates were 
+obtained by CBO using data from the Census Bureau's Survey of Income 
+and Program Participation for 1996 through 1999. They are very similar 
+to the findings of previous studies that have examined earlier time 
+periods.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \3\ Congressional Budget Office, How Many People Lack Health 
+Insurance Coverage and for How Long?
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    Those estimates of the duration of uninsured spells describe the 
+experiences of people who become uninsured in a given year. However, 
+almost 80 percent of the people who lack health insurance at a 
+particular time end up being uninsured for more than 12 months (see 
+Figure 2). Although long uninsured spells occur less frequently than 
+short spells, they are more likely to be under way at any given time.
+Figure 2. Distribution of Uninsured Spells Among Nonelderly People in a 
+        Given Year and at a Given Point in Time, by Duration
+
+        [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T3794A.002
+        
+  Source: Congressional Budget Office based on data from the first 11 
+  waves of the 1996 panel of the Census Bureau's Survey of Income and 
+ Program Participation, which followed respondents over a period of 41 
+              months (from March 1996 through July 1999).
+
+    People with less education, those with low income, and Hispanics 
+are more likely than others to be uninsured (see Table 1). They are 
+also somewhat more likely to remain uninsured for long periods. For 
+example, people in families in which no one attended college account 
+for 64 percent of uninsured spells of more than 12 months but only 49 
+percent of uninsured spells that end within four months (see Table 2). 
+That difference probably reflects, at least in part, the fact that 
+people who did not attend college are less likely than others to have 
+access to employment-based insurance.
+
+            Table 1. Nonelderly People Without Health Insurance in 1998, by Selected Characteristics
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+                                                         Nonelderly People
+                               -------------------------------------------------------------------- Distribution
+                                                                        Uninsured at                   of the
+                                                                          Any Time      Uninsured     Uninsured
+                                            Characteristic               During the     All Year     Population
+                                                                            Year        (Percent)     (Percent)
+                                                                          (Percent)
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Age                             Less than 19                                 26.8           7.3          24.9
+                                19-24                                        41.9          14.4          13.7
+                                25-34                                        31.1          12.3          21.9
+                                35-44                                        20.2           9.3          19.7
+                                45-54                                        15.1           7.6          12.6
+                                55-64                                        14             6.7           7.2
+
+Race/Ethnicity                  White, Non-Hispanic                          18.4           6.3          48.4
+                                Black, Non-Hispanic                          33.4          10.7          15.3
+                                Hispanic                                     47.4          22.5          30.8
+                                Other                                        31.1          10.9           5.5
+
+Family Income                   Less than 200 percent                        47.9          19.5          74.9
+  Relative to the               200 percent to 399 percent                   17.4           5.3          19.8
+  Poverty Level a               400 percent or more                           6             1.6           5.3
+
+Education a, b                  No high school diploma                       50.4          24.6          28.4
+                                High school graduate                         33.1          12.7          36.4
+                                Some college course work                     22.1           7.3          26.6
+                                Bachelor's degree or higher                   9.9           2.6           8.7
+
+Family Employment Status a      At least one full-time worker all year       15             5.9          42.9
+                                Part-time or part-year work only             46.1          16.1          46.6
+                                No work                                      32.8          13.1          10.6
+
+Health Status c                 Excellent                                    23.7           8.9          28.8
+                                Very good                                    25.1           9.3          32.8
+                                Good                                         24.6           9.1          24.5
+                                Fair                                         25.1           8.7           8.9
+                                Poor                                         25.3          10.3           5.1
+
+Memorandum:
+    Total Nonelderly                                                         24.5           9.1         100
+     Population
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Source: Congressional Budget Office based on an analysis of data from the 1996 panel of the Survey of Income and
+  Program Participation.
+a For family-level variables, families are defined as health insurance eligibility units, which are composed of
+  individuals who could be covered as a family under most private health insurance plans.
+b Education measures the highest education level among the adults in the family.
+c Information on health status was collected only for survey respondents who were at least 15 years of age.
+
+
+ Table 2. Comparison of the Characteristics of Nonelderly People with Short Uninsured Spells and Long Uninsured
+                                                     Spells
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+                                                              Duration of Uninsured Spell
+                                                       ---------------------------------------
+                                  Characteristic          Four Months or       DMore Than 12
+                                                          Less (Percent)     Months (Percent)
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    Total                                                      100                 100
+
+Agea                        Children                            47.3                37.5
+                            Adults                              52.7                62.5
+
+Race/Ethnicity              White, Non-Hispanic                 56.7                48.8
+                            Black, Non-Hispanic                 19.7                18.2
+                            Hispanic                            18.4                27.6
+                            Other                                5.2                 5.4
+
+Family Income Rela-         Less than 200 percent               61.6                77
+  tive to the Poverty       200 percent to 399 per
+  Level b, c                  -cent                             26.7                21
+                            400 percent or more                 11.7                 7
+
+Education a, c              No high school diploma              17.8                26.6
+                            High school graduate only           31                  37.6
+                            Some college                        35.5                26.8
+                            Bachelor's degree or                15.6                 9
+                             higher
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+    Adults are somewhat more likely than children to remain uninsured 
+for long periods. The availability of Medicaid coverage may explain 
+some of that discrepancy: coverage is available to many children in 
+low-income families, but the majority of low-income adults are not 
+eligible for the program. In addition, evidence suggests that single 
+adults without children may be less inclined to seek insurance, on 
+average, than adults with children, which may cause them to experience 
+long spells without insurance.
+    The vast majority of the uninsured are in working families. Some 43 
+percent of the people who were uninsured all year in 1998 were in 
+families in which at least one person worked full time all year, and 47 
+percent were in families in which at least one person worked part time 
+or for a portion of the year (see Table 1, column 3). Studies have 
+found that over three-quarters of uninsured workers are not offered 
+insurance by their employer.\4\ Low-wage workers are less likely to be 
+offered insurance by their employer and are less likely to accept it if 
+it is offered.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \4\ See, for example, Bowen Garrett, Len M. Nichols, and Emily K. 
+Greenman, Workers Without Health Insurance: Who Are They and How Can 
+Policy Reach Them? (Washington, D.C.: Urban Institute, 2001).
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    Medicaid is an important source of coverage for children and 
+parents in low-income families, the disabled, and the low-income 
+elderly. However, the number of people who report in population surveys 
+that they have Medicaid coverage is smaller than the number indicated 
+by the program's administrative data. Survey estimates could therefore 
+overstate the number of people who are uninsured. But some evidence, 
+albeit limited, indicates that many of the Medicaid enrollees who do 
+not report being covered by Medicaid mistakenly report another type of 
+coverage, so the bias in estimates of the uninsured may be small.
+    About half of all uninsured children in 2002 were eligible for 
+Medicaid or the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), 
+according to one study.\5\ For uninsured people who are eligible but 
+not enrolled, Medicaid provides a form of conditional coverage. Such 
+people can apply for Medicaid at the time that they obtain care and 
+then receive retroactive coverage for their expenses.\6\ Because of 
+that provision, some policymakers view those people as insured. Others 
+view them as uninsured because they may not realize that they are 
+eligible for Medicaid and therefore may delay or avoid seeking medical 
+care.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \5\ Genevieve Kenney, Jennifer Haley, and Alexandra Tebay, 
+``Children's Insurance Coverage and Service Use Improve,'' Snapshots of 
+America's Families, vol. 3, no. 1 (Washington, D.C.: Urban Institute, 
+July 2003).
+    \6\ In principle, that provision also applies to SCHIP. However, 
+seven states have placed caps on their enrollments in SCHIP because of 
+budget shortfalls. See Vernon K. Smith and David M. Rousseau, ``SCHIP 
+Program Enrollment: June 2003 Update,'' Kaiser Commission on Medicaid 
+and the Uninsured (Washington, D.C.: Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation, 
+December 2003).
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+Trends in Insurance Coverage
+    The vast majority of nonelderly Americans who have health insurance 
+are covered through their own or a family member's employer. According 
+to the Census Bureau's Current Population Survey (CPS), 161 million 
+nonelderly Americans (or 64 percent of the nonelderly population) had 
+employment-based insurance in 2002.\7\
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \7\ Researchers disagree about how the CPS estimates of the insured 
+and uninsured should be interpreted. Like many health care analysts, 
+CBO believes that those estimates provide a close approximation of the 
+numbers at a specific point in time. See Congressional Budget Office, 
+How Many People Lack Health Insurance and for How Long?
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    A smaller proportion of Americans have employment-based insurance 
+today than in 1987 (see Figure 3).\8\ The decline in coverage occurred 
+primarily from 1987 to 1993, when the share of the nonelderly 
+population with employment-based coverage fell by nearly 6 percentage 
+points. From 1993 to 2000, the percentage with employment-based 
+coverage stabilized and then increased, before falling in 2001 and 
+2002. The percentage with employment-based coverage in 2002 stood at 
+about the same level as in 1993.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \8\ The CPS estimates for 1987 to 2002 have been adjusted to 
+account for changes that were made in the survey design during that 
+period. The estimates are from Paul Fronstin, Sources of Health 
+Insurance Coverage and Characteristics of the Uninsured: Analysis of 
+the March 2003 Current Population Survey, Issue Brief No. 264 
+(Washington, D.C.: Employee Benefit Research Institute, December 2003).
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    The percentage of nonelderly Americans without health insurance 
+coverage rose gradually during most of the period from 1987 to 2002, 
+although it fell in 1999 and 2000 (see Figure 3). The uninsurance rate 
+did not increase by as much as employment-based coverage fell because 
+of offsetting changes in the percentage of people who were covered by 
+Medicaid and SCHIP. The share of the nonelderly population that was 
+covered by private nongroup insurance remained relatively stable at 
+about 7 percent. In 2002, about 17 percent of the nonelderly population 
+was uninsured--about 3.5 percentage points higher than in 1987.
+Figure 3. Percentage of Nonelderly Americans With Employment-Based 
+        Health Insurance, Medicaid, and Private Nongroup Insurance and 
+        Those Without Insurance, 1987 to 2002
+
+        [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T3794A.003
+        
+Health Insurance Premiums and Insurance Coverage
+    Rapidly rising health insurance premiums are a source of concern 
+first because they are likely to reduce the percentage of people who 
+have health insurance. They also increase the amount of federal subsidy 
+that must be extended to individuals or firms to achieve a specified 
+reduction in the number of people who are uninsured, and the associated 
+growth in health care spending raises the cost of expanding public 
+programs such as Medicaid and SCHIP.
+    Just how much of the change in insurance coverage rates that has 
+occurred over the past 15 years results from changes in premiums, 
+changes in unemployment rates, and other factors is unknown. But in the 
+two periods in which employment-based coverage dropped (from 1987 to 
+1993 and from 2000 to the present), health insurance premiums rose 
+rapidly. Private health insurance premiums grew much more rapidly than 
+wages and the prices of other goods and services from 1987 to 1993 and 
+then grew at a more moderate pace until accelerating again in 1999 (see 
+Figure 4). Thus, employment-based coverage rates fell during periods of 
+rapidly rising premiums and stabilized (and even increased) when the 
+growth of premiums slowed. Those simple correlations suggest that 
+rising premiums contributed to the decline in coverage. Other factors, 
+such as cyclical changes in employment, changes in the characteristics 
+of the health plans offered, expansions in public coverage, and 
+demographic changes probably also contributed.
+
+Figure 4. Annual Percentage Change in Private Health Insurance 
+        Premiums, Wages, and the Consumer Price Index, 1987 to 2002
+
+        [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T3794A.004
+        
+    In discussing the effect of increases in premiums on coverage, 
+distinguishing among different causes of such increases is important. 
+Clearly, an increase in premiums having nothing to do with the quality 
+of the insurance benefit (a tax on premiums, for example) would lead to 
+a reduction in the number of people with health insurance since the 
+price increase would lead some people to drop their coverage. However, 
+the growth in health care spending that has driven the increase in 
+premiums in recent decades has been largely caused by the advancing 
+capabilities of modern medicine. Increases in premiums therefore have 
+reflected, at least in part, changes in the product itself, leaving the 
+effect of premiums on decisions to purchase coverage less clear-cut.
+    Determining how increases in premiums affect insurance coverage 
+rates is also complicated by the fact that a general upward trend in 
+the cost of medical services can make insurance more appealing, because 
+covering potentially costly medical needs without insurance is more 
+difficult. Although that argument applies to many individuals, others--
+particularly those with limited financial resources--are more likely to 
+drop coverage when faced with rising premiums and to then rely on care 
+furnished by safety net providers such as community health centers, 
+local health departments, and public hospitals.\9\
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \9\ David M. Cutler, Employee Costs and the Decline in Health 
+Insurance Coverage, Working Paper No. 9036 (Cambridge, Mass.: National 
+Bureau of Economic Research, July 2002).
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    The rapid growth in premiums from 1987 to 1993 may have contributed 
+to the reported decline in the rates at which employees take up the 
+offer of employment-based coverage. According to one study, the 
+reduction in the insurance coverage rate among workers from 1979 to 
+1997 resulted from two factors: a decline in the rate at which full-
+time workers accepted an offer of insurance from their employer and a 
+decrease in the proportion of part-time and new full-time workers who 
+were eligible for the insurance that their employer offered.\10\ There 
+was no decline in the proportion of workers whose employer offered 
+insurance.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \10\ Henry S. Farber and Helen Levy, ``Recent Trends in Employer-
+Sponsored Health Insurance Coverage: Are Bad Jobs Getting Worse?'' 
+Journal of Health Economics, vol. 19, no. 1 (January 2000), pp. 93-119.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    As noted, increasing unemployment rates, too, reduce insurance 
+coverage, because losing a job sometimes puts a worker's employment-
+based health insurance at risk. In a recent analysis, CBO found that 
+health insurance coverage rates declined significantly among people who 
+received unemployment insurance (UI) benefits for at least four 
+consecutive months in 2001 or early 2002.\11\ Some 82 percent of such 
+workers had health insurance coverage (from any source) before they 
+began receiving UI benefits, but only 58 percent had coverage by the 
+final month of those benefits.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \11\ Congressional Budget Office, Family Income of Unemployment 
+Insurance Recipients (March 2004).
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    Federal legislation (the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation 
+Act of 1985, known as COBRA) requires firms with 20 or more employees 
+to continue offering health coverage to workers who separate from their 
+firm. However, firms may charge former employees up to 102 percent of 
+the full (group) premiums for that coverage. Therefore, unemployed 
+workers may face a large increase in their out-of-pocket premiums under 
+COBRA. The reduction in coverage estimated for recipients of 
+unemployment insurance probably stems, in part, from many of those 
+people opting not to purchase coverage under that law.
+
+Policy Implications
+    Policies aimed at increasing insurance coverage will be more 
+effective if designed in light of the characteristics of the uninsured 
+population. In particular, policymakers should be mindful of the 
+dynamic nature of the uninsured population as well as the distinction 
+between the short-term and long-term uninsured. For people with short 
+spells of being uninsured, policies might have the goal of filling the 
+temporary gap in coverage or of preventing such a gap from occurring. 
+For people with longer periods without insurance, policies might seek 
+to provide or facilitate an ongoing source of coverage.
+    An issue that complicates any policy initiative to expand health 
+insurance is the crowding out of existing sources of coverage. ``Crowd-
+out,'' which results when coverage through a new government policy 
+initiative replaces private coverage that people would have otherwise 
+had, can occur in various ways. Some employees may drop their 
+employment-based coverage if a government program provides health 
+insurance at a lower premium. Or employers may reduce or drop coverage 
+if the demand from their employees lessens because a government program 
+provides an alternative source of coverage. A related issue concerns 
+health insurance tax credits or similar subsidy programs. Some 
+proposals would extend credits or subsidies to people who would have 
+been insured even without them. Through both phenomena, federal aid is 
+extended to people who otherwise would have been insured. As a result, 
+the federal cost per newly insured person could be substantially 
+greater than the cost for each person who uses the federal program or 
+who receives the tax credit.
+    Information on the amount of crowd-out associated with policies to 
+expand insurance coverage comes primarily from analyses of occasions 
+during the late 1980s and early 1990s when states extended Medicaid 
+coverage to pregnant women and children with income above the federal 
+poverty line.\12\ According to those analyses, an estimated 10 percent 
+to 25 percent of the people who were enrolled in Medicaid when 
+eligibility expanded would have otherwise been covered by private 
+insurance.\13\ The variation in the estimates arises to some extent 
+from the use of different methods in measuring the effect. Such 
+estimates may also vary because of differences in the types of people 
+eligible for the public programs being measured. In particular, crowd-
+out rates increase as programs extend the level of income that 
+enrollees may have, as the eligible population includes an increasing 
+share of people who have private insurance instead of no insurance.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \12\ No estimates of the crowd-out associated with tax inducements 
+for insurance coverage are available.
+    \13\ For a review of the literature on crowd-out, see Understanding 
+the Dynamics of ``Crowd-out'': Defining Public/Private Coverage 
+Substitution for Policy and Research (report prepared by the Academy 
+for Health Services Research and Health Policy under The Robert Wood 
+Johnson Foundation's Changes in Health Care Financing and Organization 
+Program, June 2001).
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    Finally, incremental reforms probably cannot provide insurance for 
+everyone, and attempting to achieve 100 percent coverage would be very 
+expensive. As an alternative, policymakers could consider policies 
+aimed at expanding insurance coverage in conjunction with policies to 
+strengthen the system through which the uninsured receive medical 
+care--for example, through increased funding of community health 
+centers and public hospitals.
+
+                                 
+
+    Chairman JOHNSON. Thank you. Thank you very much. On this 
+issue of crowd-out, which is perhaps the most difficult aspect 
+of doing something about the uninsured, States have done 
+different things in terms of coverage. Have you done any work 
+on States that have tried universal coverage to see what the 
+crowd-out impact, particularly on small business, was?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. We haven't done any work at CBO on that 
+particular issue. We have relied on our surveys of the 
+literature in looking at, particularly Medicaid expansions 
+which have given the best body of evidence, to look at impacts 
+with respect to different income levels as the expansions took 
+place at different parts of the income distribution. We can go 
+back and look at the literature and see if it gives us more 
+evidence at the State level evidence and will be happy to work 
+with you to get that back to you.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. I should think it would be interesting to 
+look at TennCare in Tennessee and see whether the change in the 
+public coverage affected employer-provided insurance, 
+particularly for small businesses. What were the other 
+ramifications?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. We can go back and look at the Tennessee 
+experience. Most of the academic literature tries to aggregate 
+many different State experiences into a summary statistic on 
+crowd-out without itemizing State-by-State experiences but it 
+is certainly within the data.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. I don't know whether you can look at 
+whether those States have taken up all the options under 
+Medicaid, so they cover a much larger population, much higher 
+up the income ladder, what the sort of comparison is between 
+willingness to provide insurance in the small business sector 
+in States with low Medicaid definitions versus States with high 
+Medicaid definitions. I mention that because during the 
+Medicare debate, one of the things that surprised me absolutely 
+the most and one of the reasons I think the benefits in that 
+bill are being grossly underestimated is that 38 States define 
+Medicaid eligibility as 75 percent of the Federal poverty 
+level.
+    So, for us to cover people basically up to 150 percent does 
+make a huge difference for many seniors throughout the country. 
+If that is what States are doing, then in those States, the 
+small businesses may be finding a way to participate in their 
+employees' health care at a higher rate than, for example, in a 
+State like Connecticut that has generous Medicaid coverage. So, 
+if there is any way we could look at those two things I would 
+appreciate it. I have two specific questions and then I will 
+turn it over to Mr. Stark. In your charts and your testimony, 
+you mentioned that there is somewhere between 21 million and 31 
+million, approximately, uninsured all year. That is a huge 
+swing. That is a 50 percent swing. Why can't you do better than 
+that?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. The range of estimates comes from looking 
+at different data sources for information about the uninsured. 
+To track completely a spell of uninsurance requires the kind of 
+data that follows individuals through time. Such data sets are 
+relatively rare. To the extent that they ask good questions 
+about the nature of individuals' health insurance coverage is 
+even rarer.
+    So, we have a restricted amount of data, quite frankly, 
+that are available to answer this question. I guess it is in 
+the eye of the beholder. From the point of view of someone who 
+has looked at data on many problems in economics for a long 
+period of time, I was less unhappy with that swing than you 
+might have been. I think the key message is that out of the 
+whole population of the uninsured, there is a smaller subset 
+which is uninsured for a sustained period of time, and if one 
+wanted to target that audience more carefully it might be 
+useful to peel back more layers, look at those individuals who 
+perhaps had not declined employer coverage. If they declined 
+employer coverage, it is hard to argue that they were uninsured 
+involuntarily. You could look at the degree to which they might 
+be eligible for Medicaid and not take it up.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. Two things. First of all, I think it 
+would be very useful to know more about the difference between 
+21 million and 31 million because what you are really saying is 
+either half of the uninsured are uninsured for 12 months or 
+more or three-quarters. So, I would like to know more about 
+that figure.
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. We can certainly provide that.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. I would appreciate that.
+    [The information was not received at the time of printing]
+    Chairman JOHNSON. Then in your other chart, about spells in 
+progress and spells that began. On one chart you have 45 
+percent uninsured for less than 4 months, 26 percent for 5 to 
+12 months, and about 30 percent for more than 12 months. So, 
+about 30 percent for more than a year. Then, in the chart 
+beside it, 78 percent were uninsured for more than 12 months. 
+You explained that with some man-in-the-street question. I 
+didn't get that. If only 30 percent are actually uninsured for 
+more than 12 months, why do 78 percent think they are?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. It represents the difference between 
+watching someone progress through an entire spell, from 
+beginning to end and seeing how long it is, versus walking out 
+and finding people perhaps in the middle of a spell of 
+uninsurance. There are a smaller fraction, 30 percent, who have 
+very long spells, so you are more likely to run into that 
+person when you survey. As a result, in the right panel, what 
+you see is the answer to the question when we find somebody in 
+the survey then and say are you uninsured, they say yes, they 
+are more likely to be the kind of person who has a long spell 
+because they are more likely to be found in such a survey.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. Do we ask them how long have you been 
+uninsured or do we ask them how long do you think you will be 
+uninsured?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. We ask the first question. The latter we 
+can only track by following them for a long period of time. The 
+data are fairly limited.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. It seems to me that the former number is 
+the one that we as policymakers should be more concerned with. 
+That is the number who actually are uninsured for more than a 
+year. Is that the correct interpretation?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. Yes.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. Thank you very much, Dr. Holtz-Eakin. Mr. 
+Stark.
+    Mr. STARK. I gather that this is sort of like labor 
+statistics, and are you talking to the people at home or are 
+you talking to the employers to get different employment 
+figures? I don't think it makes a whole hell of a lot of 
+difference. You still only had 21,000 jobs last month and when 
+you need 300,000 or 400,000 jobs a month, we aren't doing very 
+well, as we are not in taking care of people who aren't 
+insured. I guess the real question is, How many people get sick 
+when they don't have insurance? I don't know as we know that, 
+do we?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. The onset of----
+    Mr. STARK. The onset of an expensive medical encounter. How 
+many people have a heart attack or get diagnosed with diabetes? 
+I don't think we know that. Maybe somebody does, but I don't 
+know as we know. That is the key. If somebody makes it through 
+the year, they are home free, and then they get insurance next 
+year. Where they are going to get it, I don't know. The other 
+thing that I don't believe you define, or anybody else that I 
+know of, is what do you consider as insured. If they have the 
+American Family Life Assurance Company (AFLAC), they get a 
+hundred bucks a day if they get sick because they've got some 
+kind of a hospital policy. Is that insured?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. In the longer paper that underlies this 
+testimony, the data sources have different classifications. 
+Basically they include employer-sponsored insurance. Not all 
+the details about the policy are available, but these are 
+standard insurance measures.
+    Mr. STARK. At the low end of the scale with some of the 
+associated health plans, as we have been reading in the press 
+lately about these plans that have cropped up that are phony. 
+People think they have bought health insurance and the 
+insurance company has gone south. We don't have, outside of, 
+say, Medicare, a definition--maybe we do in the Federal 
+Employee Health Benefit Plan (FEHBP). I don't know as the 
+benefits are--if there is a minimum level of benefits there--
+but we really don't have a definition as to what is, quote, 
+``insured,'' do we?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. The definitions will differ by the survey. 
+It is often self-reported.
+    Mr. STARK. Particularly if somebody is on the margin, if 
+they have high blood pressure or a host of things where they 
+have been excluded as a preexisting condition, they are really 
+not insured for the things they need most. I don't know how I 
+could define that in a way that a scientific researcher could 
+use it. I do think that with the vast difference in benefits 
+and what is covered and what isn't, we would have a better 
+understanding of how well we are dealing with this problem if 
+we could define where we put somebody in the winner category. 
+We just don't take them and give them some kind of schlocky 
+insurance company that may not pay benefits, may not pay 
+hospital benefits, may not have mental health.
+    We say, look, here is a standard of what a person ought to 
+have; and then the question is, if they have a holdover when--
+as you say in your testimony--they move from job to job, but 
+really do you count the time between when the new insurance 
+goes into effect, which often is 60 days, 90 days? Yes, they 
+may be insured, but the benefits don't start if you get sick in 
+that trial period, and there may be preexisting conditions 
+which have been precluded, all of which I think makes no 
+difference. I am just suggesting that we could argue all day 
+whether there are 30 million or 40 million, and nobody has 
+brought up children. I keep hearing the number 12 million. What 
+would you say is the number of children? How would you define 
+that?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. Depending on the definition, we show in 
+Table 1 some of the fraction of those individuals less than 19 
+who are uninsured at any point during the year. It is about a 
+quarter in our data.
+    Mr. STARK. About 25 percent of the uninsured are kids?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. Yes. Of the kids are uninsured at some 
+point during the year.
+    Mr. STARK. Again, I think this is all very interesting, but 
+what does General Accounting Office (GAO) suggest we do to get 
+all these people insured?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. I am not familiar with what the GAO folks 
+would suggest, sir.
+    Mr. STARK. Okay. What do you think we should do? You are 
+studying this. You say you think we have trouble affording it. 
+What about the social costs? General Motors tells us they lose 
+$1,300 by making a car here as opposed to making it in Canada. 
+That may be an incentive to not have jobs here or there. In 
+your opinion, is that something we should take into account 
+when we think about Federal costs of insuring everybody?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. On the job location, I think the key thing 
+to focus on is not any particular part of the benefit package, 
+but labor costs in any location here versus Canada. I am not 
+familiar with the particular number you quoted. Certainly if 
+you want to look at the decision to locate a facility or a job 
+in one place or another, the typical standard is unit labor 
+cost relative to the productivity of labor, not a benefit in 
+isolation.
+    The broader question, the intent of my remarks was not to 
+tee up specific policy solutions but to identify the fact that 
+there are many different features to the issue of uninsurance. 
+There is the time series pattern of the total uninsurance, and 
+then there is the fact that within the population, there appear 
+to be different kinds of experience with spells of uninsurance. 
+It wasn't meant to offer specific solutions but to frame up the 
+issues.
+    Mr. STARK. So, you don't have a suggestion for us?
+    Chairman JOHNSON. Mr. Stark, we actually didn't ask them to 
+come to talk about that. They are not prepared for that.
+    Mr. STARK. As a person who has a lot of knowledge about 
+this, as an economist approach to what it will cost, I think 
+you did say it would be expensive, didn't you?
+    Chairman JOHNSON. Let me go on to Mr. Crane.
+    Mr. STARK. Sure.
+    Mr. CRANE. Thank you, Madam Chairman, and thank you, Dr. 
+Holtz-Eakin, for coming today. As you know, H.R. 1, the 
+Medicare prescription Drug and Modernization Act, included 
+language that created Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) for all 
+Americans. Do you recall CBO's estimation for the number of 
+individuals who would purchase a new HSA based on the new law?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. I don't know the number of individuals who 
+would purchase them. I know the Joint Committee on Taxation 
+scored the budget costs of it. We could certainly discuss with 
+them the underlying mechanics of the estimate.
+    Mr. CRANE. According to the last Department of the Treasury 
+report, 73 percent of people who had a medical savings account 
+were previously uninsured, is that correct?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. I am not familiar with that number again. 
+We can work with you to make sure that that is right.
+    Mr. CRANE. One of the arguments against HSAs is that this 
+type of savings account drives people out of employer-sponsored 
+health care coverage, but based on the Treasury Department's 
+report, it seems that most people were not driven out of the 
+system. They had no insurance at all. Based on factual data, it 
+seems that these types of accounts are not undermining the 
+employer-based health care system. Would you agree?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. I think it is important to look at the 
+evidence. Certainly if you look at the incentives in an HSA, 
+they will differ on both the dimension for insurance and the 
+incentives for efficient use of health care. For some 
+individuals who are already purchasing insurance to get a tax 
+subsidy and take on the HSA is clearly to their advantage, it 
+doesn't change insurance coverage at all. For other individuals 
+who do not have insurance, there is an obvious incentive, 
+lowering the cost. It will be an empirical issue as to which of 
+those things dominates on the insurance front.
+    Mr. CRANE. You stated in your testimony that the vast 
+majority of the uninsured are in working families and that over 
+three-quarters of uninsured workers are not offered insurance 
+by their employer and that low-income workers are less likely 
+to be offered insurance by their employer and are less likely 
+to accept it if it is offered. It seems to me that if we are 
+going to find a way to help uninsured individuals, the first 
+place we need to start is to make health care more affordable 
+for individuals and small businesses. Would you agree?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. It certainly appears that the employer-
+sponsored part of this is an important part of it, especially 
+the transitory spells of uninsurance.
+    Mr. CRANE. Thank you.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. Mr. McDermott.
+    Mr. MCDERMOTT. Thank you, Madam Chairman. There is a 
+fascinating article in today's Washington Post entitled 
+``Rising Costs of Health Care in the U.S. Give Other Developed 
+Countries an Edge in Keeping Jobs.'' Some guy named Jim 
+Stanford, an economist with the Canadian Auto Workers, said 
+employers who operate in either country, meaning Canada or the 
+United States, can save $4 an hour per worker by choosing 
+Canada. He says that is a significant differential. It's one of 
+the reasons the Canadian auto industry has done a lot better.
+    Officials from Ford Motor, General Motors, and 
+DaimlerChrysler sent out a letter that said the Canadian public 
+health system significantly reduces total labor costs compared 
+to the costs of equivalent private health insurance services 
+purchased by the U.S.-based auto makers. Then, finally, the 
+Vice Chairman of the Ford company said, high health care costs 
+have created a competitive gap that is driving investment 
+decisions away from the United States.
+    My question to you is the Institute of Medicine did a study 
+last year, a 3-year study on the uninsured and said that the 
+U.S. economy loses between $65 and $130 billion each year 
+because we don't have a system of universal coverage. Have you 
+done any kind of look at that at all? Did you look at their 
+study?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. I read the study briefly. I won't pretend 
+to be intimately familiar with the research underneath it. At 
+CBO we haven't done any estimate of losses of that sort.
+    Mr. MCDERMOTT. In a country where these things are true 
+about Canada--presumably they are true. I remember that in 1994 
+we had a lot of people going around beating on their chests and 
+very proudly saying we defeated the Clinton program and that 
+the private sector would take care of it. Is there any evidence 
+whatsoever that you can show me since 1994 that the private 
+sector has done one thing to deal with the measure of 
+uninsurance in this country?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. The evidence on uninsurance, we have 
+presented in my opening remarks and in our testimony. I guess I 
+would go back to----
+    Mr. MCDERMOTT. You think since 1994 it has gotten better?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. In the overall insurance rate, we saw a 
+sharp drop between 1987 and 1993. Then it rose during the 
+nineties and has declined more recently. We are at 64 percent 
+overall in employer-sponsored insurance. I guess I would repeat 
+what I offered to Mr. Stark, which is that, with all due 
+respect to the individuals involved in the auto companies, I am 
+not familiar with their numbers, it is not the full calculation 
+to look only at health care costs in the two countries, 
+especially at the employer level. It is the total cost of labor 
+compensation relative to how productive those workers are that 
+will be the key issue.
+    If health care costs rose and nothing else changed, 
+certainly that is a competitive disadvantage. The evidence, 
+however, over a long period of time in the United States and 
+elsewhere is that if one part of the benefit package rises, it 
+is usually offset to some extent by another part of the benefit 
+package or wages. So, the total compensation package does not--
+--
+    Mr. MCDERMOTT. So, workers wind up really worse off because 
+more of their pay goes into their benefit package than it does 
+into their pocket.
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. Obviously they value the benefit. So, it 
+is a mix that offsets one value of compensation with another.
+    Mr. MCDERMOTT. Are you testifying that from your research, 
+that there is really no problem, then, with the health 
+insurance? Eight years in a row of double-digit inflation. The 
+private sector was going to take care of that, they told us in 
+1994, because they were scared that the--that the health 
+providers would be scared and the insurers could get a better 
+deal. We have had 8 years of double-digit inflation. What is 
+happening here? Why does it continue to go up? We leave more 
+and more people by the side of the road, even if for 3 or 4 
+months.
+    If you are uninsured and you get sick, it doesn't make any 
+difference whether you haven't been insured for a week or 12 
+months and 25 days. It really is a question of what you do. 
+Where is the control that is supposed to come out of the 
+private sector? I am a free enterpriser. I believe in free 
+enterprise, but I don't see them functioning at all. They put 
+down the government system. So, where is the evidence that they 
+control costs?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. I think the underlying question with the 
+rising cost of health care in the United States, not insurance 
+per se, starts with care. Then I think there is broad consensus 
+that it is associated with technology adoption and the 
+enhancement of technologies in the medical sector. They have 
+not in the United States and elsewhere proven to be cost 
+savers. The question is whether the difference in quality is 
+worth the money.
+    Mr. MCDERMOTT. All this technology has not proven to be a 
+cost saver. Why does the health care industry continue to do it 
+then? Why does the insurance pay for it? If it doesn't save 
+costs, why do they pay for it?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. As an economist, I would answer that if 
+quality is higher, you would be willing to pay more for 
+something. What remains the outstanding question is whether we 
+are getting quality per dollar with the technology 
+enhancements. That is the question for the United States in 
+looking at the efficient provision of health care. Insurance is 
+layered on top of that to spread the financial risk of 
+providing that care. The underlying issue of the rising cost of 
+health care is one in which it may be the case that quality is 
+rising and as this Nation becomes older and wealthier it may 
+choose to buy more health care. It may also be the case that at 
+the margin, some of these enhancements do not provide the 
+quality enough to offset their dollar cost. That is the key 
+issue I think in terms of the cost.
+    Mr. MCDERMOTT. Did you do any cost-benefit analysis at all? 
+Did you look at the cost-benefit analysis at all in terms of 
+our system versus any of these other systems?
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. We don't have a study on that. One of the 
+questions that would be difficult is measuring benefits. As you 
+can imagine just by introspection, valuing the benefits of 
+additional medical technology is a very difficult task, both in 
+economic and social terms.
+    Mr. MCDERMOTT. I yield back the balance of my time. We 
+don't need another study, Madam Chairman.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. I don't know that I have ever seen a 
+study that I thought was useful on that. At the time this issue 
+first came up in the eighties, we had more computerized axial 
+tomography (CAT) scanners in Connecticut than all of Canada. 
+That says a lot about access to quality care. I don't know how 
+you would deal with that in a comparative analysis of health 
+care costs. That has been one of the difficulties.
+    I just wanted to put on the record one issue that I talked 
+with you about that you did not mention in your testimony so I 
+didn't talk--bring it up earlier. You don't mention the 
+variation in the uninsured geographically. You talk about it 
+demographically and in terms of income and age, but not 
+geographically. I think we need to know that, because these 
+sort of generic fixes end up having an enormous number of 
+ramifications.
+    For instance, if you go to a policy that provides tax 
+credits, even if they are refundable and they go to 100 percent 
+at certain wages, that will certainly displace a lot of 
+employer-provided plans. There are other problems with it. If 
+we understood the geographic structure of the uninsured 
+population, we would have a lot more levers to pull.
+    I just want to comment that the Health Resources and 
+Services Administration is handing out grants to community 
+health centers that will do two things, and they are 3-year 
+grants. They will search out the underinsured and the uninsured 
+in their region and bring them into the system and implant 
+electronic technology so that any place they enter the system, 
+whether it is the hospital, the doctor's office or their 
+community health center, a home health agency, an optometrist, 
+wherever, they can be brought into the system by electronic 
+record so that then wherever they come again, their records 
+will be available. It is a very exciting, big effort. I hope to 
+get some report on where they are on that in some of the older 
+demonstration areas as some portion of the guidance that this 
+Committee will need. If you could talk with Census and search 
+out and see what do we know about the geographic distribution, 
+that would be something of interest to, I think, this 
+Committee. Thank you.
+    Dr. HOLTZ-EAKIN. Certainly.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. We now will ask our second panel to come 
+forward. As they are coming forward, I will just introduce them 
+very briefly. Diane Rowland is the executive vice president of 
+the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation and executive director of 
+the Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the uninsured. I won't go 
+through her whole biography but she has done a lot of very 
+important work on Medicaid and long-term care issues, cost 
+containment issues and so on.
+    I am very pleased to have Dr. Rowland with us. Dr. Nichols 
+is from the Center for Studying Health System Change, a 
+nonpartisan health policy research organization in Washington. 
+He is an expert on private insurance markets, market-based 
+reforms and the Medicare Program. Dr. Glenn Melnick is the Blue 
+Cross of California Professor of Health Care Finance at the 
+University of southern California and a senior economist and 
+resident consultant at RAND Corporation in Santa Monica. He has 
+focused a lot of time and effort on areas such as pricing of 
+hospital services, health insurance and health care markets. We 
+appreciate him being with us here today. Greg Scandlen is with 
+the Galen Institute and is an expert on financing, insurance 
+regulation, and employee benefits and has written extensively 
+on consumer choice and publishes a weekly newsletter, Consumer 
+Choice Matters.
+    We welcome you all here today. We thank you for your input 
+and your help as we embark on this effort to take some action 
+on the uninsured. I know it is an old issue as Pete has 
+mentioned. It has been with us for a long time, through 
+Republican Administrations and Democratic Administrations. It 
+is a hard problem, which is one of the reasons we haven't 
+solved it. Also our system has a peculiar way of ultimately 
+providing health care. At this point, it is not only the 
+uninsured, we can't afford for people to be uninsured as a 
+matter of principle, but also the caring system can no longer 
+sustain the costs of nonpayers. Dr. Rowland, if you would 
+proceed.
+
+    STATEMENT OF DIANE ROWLAND, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, KAISER 
+            COMMISSION ON MEDICAID AND THE UNINSURED
+
+    Ms. ROWLAND. Thank you, Madam Chairman and Members of the 
+Committee, for this opportunity to be with you today to discuss 
+the Nation's uninsured problem and population. While surveys 
+differ in their count of the uninsured and the time period 
+without health insurance, all tell us that millions of 
+Americans go without coverage each year, and many for long 
+periods of time. The census data we use to monitor health 
+insurance coverage that gives us in 2002 the number 43 million 
+Americans at any given point without health insurance also 
+helps us to understand how this number changes over time. In 
+2002, we saw an increase of 2.4 million without insurance over 
+the previous year. The size of our uninsured population, in 
+fact, is comparable to the number of beneficiaries you deal 
+with in other legislation who are Members of the Medicare 
+Program.
+    While the composition of the uninsured population includes 
+Americans of all ages and incomes, the problem, especially for 
+the long-term uninsured, is particularly focused on low-income 
+families. Health insurance coverage in America is very much a 
+patchwork. Having insurance depends on where you live, where 
+you work, and what you earn. In fact, as you pointed out, Madam 
+Chair, the geographic variations in the rate of insurance 
+coverage are very significant. Those States with large firms 
+and more affluent economies are more likely to have lower rates 
+of uninsurance than those States with large poverty 
+populations, small businesses and especially rural interests.
+    There are also many misperceptions about our uninsured 
+population. They are, as you said, hardworking families that do 
+not obtain health coverage through their jobs. Eight in ten of 
+the uninsured come from a working family, but I think most 
+important to remember is that for the most part, they are not 
+affluent. Two out of every three come from low-wage families 
+earning less than $30,000 for a family of three, families 
+hardly able to afford $9,000 for a family policy on their own, 
+and in most cases families who work for employers that don't 
+offer coverage. In the few cases where the employer offers 
+coverage to these low-income families, their share of the 
+premium, averaging $2,400 last year for family coverage, is 
+often too high a price to pay when the family budget is 
+extremely limited.
+    The uninsured, of course, are predominantly adults because 
+our public programs have actually helped to extend coverage to 
+1 in 4 American children. Today Medicaid and SCHIP provide 
+coverage to over 25 million low-income children and have 
+dropped the uninsured rate among low-income children from a 
+high of 23 percent in 1997 to 14 percent at the beginning of 
+2003.
+    Indeed, a success story in our efforts of extending 
+coverage. This drop in the number of children without insurance 
+has helped to counteract the rise in the uninsured as a result 
+of loss of employer-based coverage. I don't believe it is all 
+crowd-outs. For the most part, you have provided coverage 
+through Medicaid and SCHIP to millions of children previously 
+uninsured, not those who were in the employer-based market. 
+However, limited eligibility for parents and restrictions on 
+coverage of childless adults and Medicaid leave over 20 million 
+low-income adults, half of America's uninsured population on 
+any given day, outside of Medicaid's reach. Unfortunately, in 
+today's economy with weak job growth, the number of Americans 
+without health insurance is likely to grow, not shrink.
+    Rising health insurance costs are compromising employer-
+based coverage as more and more employers shift increased costs 
+for premiums and additional cost-sharing burdens onto their 
+employees, making coverage ever more unaffordable for the 
+lowest-wage employees. Meanwhile, State fiscal constraints are putting 
+Medicaid and SCHIP coverage at risk. Fiscal relief in the tax 
+bill really did help stave off deeper cuts and reductions in 
+Medicaid and reductions in eligibility during the last year, 
+but the matching rate increase will expire this June putting 
+the State's fiscal considerations back on the table.
+    It is hard to see how we will be able to make progress 
+extending coverage to the uninsured or maintaining the coverage 
+Medicaid now provides without a commitment of additional 
+Federal resources. Addressing the uninsured is, as you have 
+said, a national priority. People without health insurance 
+often go without appropriate care and get sicker and die sooner 
+than they should because of it.
+    Leaving millions uninsured and coverage of millions more at 
+risk in Medicaid is a poor prescription for our Nation's 
+health. So, I look forward to working with the Committee to 
+find ways to secure the coverage we have and extend coverage to 
+the millions of uninsured who need assistance in meeting their 
+health care needs. Thank you. Dr. Nichols.
+    [The prepared statement of Ms. Rowland follows:]
+
+     Statement of Diane Rowland, Sc.D., Executive Director, Kaiser 
+                Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured
+
+      Today, over 43 million Americans are without health 
+insurance. The uninsured are predominantly low-income working 
+families--nearly two-thirds (64%) have incomes below 200 percent of the 
+poverty level (or less than $30,000 per year for a family of three in 
+2002).
+      Eight in ten of the uninsured come from working families 
+but do not obtain coverage in the workplace. Low-wage workers are 
+particularly disadvantaged--they are less likely to be offered coverage 
+through the workplace and unable to afford coverage on their own.
+      The rising cost of health insurance is a major problem 
+for both employers and employees; in 2003, the average premium cost was 
+$3,383 for single coverage and $9,068 for family coverage. On average, 
+employers contributed 84 percent of premium costs for single and 73 
+percent for family coverage; however, the employee share remains a 
+substantial burden for many low-wage workers.
+      Medicaid helps fill in the gap by providing health 
+insurance coverage with limited cost sharing and comprehensive benefits 
+to 38 million low-income children and parents, the large majority being 
+children. Medicaid's reach for low-income adults, however, is severely 
+limited--income levels for parents in 35 states are below poverty and 
+childless adults are generally excluded from coverage, no matter how 
+poor.
+      The recent economic downturn and return of escalating 
+health costs now place health insurance coverage for working families 
+in jeopardy from increased premium costs and loss of employer-sponsored 
+coverage, combined with limits on the availability and scope of 
+Medicaid due to state fiscal constraints. We face the prospect of 
+seeing coverage erode, not expand, for millions of Americans.
+      The combination of rising health care costs and state 
+fiscal constraints puts the low-income population relying on Medicaid 
+and SCHIP particularly at risk. Maintaining the gains in public 
+coverage over the last decade, especially for children, may require 
+continuing federal fiscal relief to the states in return for a 
+commitment to maintain coverage.
+      Health insurance matters for the millions of Americans 
+who lack coverage--it influences when and whether they get necessary 
+medical care, the financial burdens they face in obtaining care, and, 
+ultimately, their health and health outcomes. Extending coverage to the 
+millions of Americans without health insurance is both an important 
+policy and health objective.
+
+    Thank you for the opportunity to offer testimony this afternoon on 
+the nation's growing uninsured population and the consequences of 
+leaving 43 million Americans without health insurance coverage. I am 
+Diane Rowland, Executive Vice President of the Henry J. Kaiser Family 
+Foundation and Executive Director of the Kaiser Commission on Medicaid 
+and the Uninsured.
+    Health insurance coverage remains one of the nation's most pressing 
+and persistent health care challenges. The most recent data from the 
+Census Bureau show that more than one in every seven Americans--43.6 
+million adults and children--were without health insurance in 2002. 
+This is not only a large problem, but a growing problem for millions of 
+Americans. From 2001 to 2002, the number of Americans lacking health 
+insurance increased by 2.4 million (Figure 1). Public coverage 
+expansions through Medicaid helped to moderate the growth in the 
+uninsured, most notably by providing coverage to children in low-income 
+families, but were not enough to offset the decline in private 
+coverage. Lack of coverage compromises not only access to care and the 
+health of the uninsured, but also the health and economic well-being of 
+our nation.
+
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+
+The Uninsured Population
+    Who are America's 43 million people without health insurance 
+coverage? The uninsured are predominantly adults from low-income 
+working families--three-quarters of the uninsured are between age 18 
+and 65; two-thirds have incomes below 200 percent of the federal 
+poverty level or $28,696 for a family of three in 2002; and the 
+majority (eight in 10) come from working families (Figure 2). The 
+complexities of coverage through the workplace combined with gaps in 
+public coverage through Medicaid and the State Children's Health 
+Insurance Program (SCHIP) mean millions of Americans are outside of the 
+reach of health insurance coverage. Health coverage in America is very 
+much a patchwork--having health insurance depends on where you live, 
+where you work, and too often what you earn.
+
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+
+    Two out of three nonelderly Americans receive their health 
+insurance coverage through an employer-sponsored health plan offered 
+through the workplace, but for millions of working families such 
+coverage is either not offered or is financially out of reach. Among 
+the 43 million uninsured, eight in ten come from working families--
+nearly 70 percent come from families where at least one person works 
+full-time and another 12 percent from families with part-time 
+employment.
+    Most uninsured workers, and consequently their dependents, are not 
+offered job-based coverage either through their own or a family members 
+job. The likelihood of obtaining coverage through the workplace depends 
+largely on where one works and what one earns. Most large firms offer 
+coverage, but many smaller firms do not. Low-wage workers are often 
+employed in small businesses, particularly in the retail and service 
+industries, where health insurance is not widely offered as a fringe 
+benefit.
+    The cost of health insurance in the workplace is a substantial 
+financial burden for both the employer and employee, but remains a key 
+fringe benefit, especially in large or unionized firms. When health 
+insurance is offered in the workplace, most employees opt for coverage 
+even though the share of premium they must pay often represents a 
+substantial share of their income. In 2003, the Kaiser/HRET national 
+survey of employers found the average annual premium for employer-
+sponsored group insurance for a family was $9,068 with the employer 
+contributing 73 percent of the premium ($6,656) and the employee 
+contributing 27 percent of the premium or $2,412 per year (Figure 3). 
+For single individuals, the premiums averaged $3,383 per year with the 
+employer covering 84 percent of the premium cost ($2,875 per year).
+
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+
+    If health insurance coverage is not available through a group 
+policy from an employer, families are hard pressed to be able to find 
+and pay for a policy in the individual insurance market. Most directly 
+purchased policies are expensive and have more limited benefits and 
+more out-of-pocket costs than group coverage plans. Moreover, the cost 
+of these policies is based on age and health risk, and any preexisting 
+health conditions are generally excluded from coverage. For the average 
+low-income family, a $9,000 family policy in the individual market 
+would consume a third or more of their income, provide only limited 
+protection, and could exclude coverage for any family members with 
+health problems. Most notably, in many states, private plans 
+individually marketed do not provide routine maternity benefits or, if 
+they do, they are offered as a very costly add-on.
+    Medicaid and SCHIP help fill in the gaps for some of the lowest 
+income people, but this publicly sponsored coverage is directed 
+primarily at children and pregnant women and varies in availability 
+across the states. Most low-income children are eligible for assistance 
+through Medicaid or SCHIP, but in most states parents' eligibility lags 
+far behind that of their children. While eligibility levels for 
+children are at 200 percent of the federal poverty level ($30,520 for a 
+family of three in 2003) in 39 states, parents' eligibility levels are 
+much lower (Figure 4). A parent working full-time at minimum wage 
+(approximately $9,300 per year at 35 hours per week) earns too much to 
+be eligible for Medicaid in 19 states (Figure 5). For childless adults, 
+Medicaid funds are not available unless the individual is disabled or 
+lives in one of the few states with a waiver to permit coverage of 
+childless adults. As a result, in 2002, Medicaid provided health 
+insurance coverage to over half of all poor children, and a third of 
+their parents, but only 22 percent of poor childless adults. Over 40 
+percent of poor adults and a third of near-poor adults were uninsured.
+
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+
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+
+    Low-income individuals are disproportionately represented among the 
+uninsured--nearly two-thirds (64%) of the uninsured come from low-
+income families earning less than 200 percent of the poverty level and 
+over a third (36%) come from families living below the poverty level. 
+Employer-sponsored coverage is extremely limited for the low-income 
+population; only 15 percent of the poor and 42 percent of the near-poor 
+receive coverage through their employer (Figure 6). Medicaid helps to 
+offset the lower levels of private insurance for over a third (38%) of 
+the poor and 20 percent of the near-poor, but many parents of low-
+income children as well as childless adults do not qualify for Medicaid 
+assistance.
+
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+
+    The chances of experiencing a long spell without health coverage 
+(12 months or longer) are not equal. Individuals with low incomes and 
+those in fair or poor health status are significantly more likely than 
+others to be uninsured for long periods. Young adults (19-34 years old) 
+are at greater risk of being uninsured for 12 months or longer than 
+other age groups (Figure 7).
+
+[GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T3794A.011
+
+    This confluence of factors relating to the characteristics of the 
+uninsured places low-income adults at the center of the nation's 
+uninsured problem and the group most likely to have long periods 
+without coverage. In 2002, 48 percent of the 43 million uninsured 
+Americans were low-income adults--16 percent parents of low-income 
+children and 32 percent low-income adults without children (Figure 8). 
+Assuring coverage for this group, as well as extending coverage to the 
+parents of the low-income children who are now largely eligible for 
+public coverage, poses the next challenge in coverage expansions. 
+Focusing attention on the lack of coverage for low-income adults and 
+continuing to push for better enrollment of low-income children offers 
+the potential to reach two in three uninsured Americans.
+
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+
+THE CONSEQUENCES OF LACK OF INSURANCE
+    The growing number of uninsured Americans should be of concern to 
+all of us because health insurance makes a difference in how people 
+access the health care system and, ultimately, their health. Leaving a 
+substantial share of our population without health insurance affects 
+not only those who are uninsured, but also the health and economic 
+well-being of our nation.
+    There is now a substantial body of research documenting disparities 
+in access to care between those with and without insurance. Survey 
+after survey finds the uninsured are more likely than those with 
+insurance to postpone seeking care; forgo needed care; and not get 
+needed prescription medications (Figure 9). Many fear that obtaining 
+care will be too costly. Over a third of the uninsured report needing 
+care and not getting it, and nearly half (47%) say they have postponed 
+seeking care due to cost. Over a third (36%) of the uninsured compared 
+to 16 percent of the insured report having problems paying medical 
+bills, and nearly a quarter (23%) report being contacted by a 
+collection agency about medical bills compared to eight percent of the 
+insured. The uninsured are also less likely to have a regular source of 
+care than the insured, and when they seek care, are more likely to use 
+a health clinic or emergency room. Lack of insurance thus takes a toll 
+on both access to care and the financial well-being of the uninsured.
+
+[GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T3794A.013
+
+    Moreover, there is a growing body of evidence showing that access 
+and financial well-being are not all that is at stake for the 
+uninsured. There are often serious consequences for those who forgo 
+care. Among the uninsured surveyed, half report a significant loss of 
+time at important life activities, and over half (57%) report a painful 
+temporary disability, while 19 percent report long-term disability as a 
+result. Lack of insurance compromises the health of the uninsured 
+because they receive less preventive care, are diagnosed at more 
+advanced disease stages, and once diagnosed, tend to receive less 
+therapeutic care and have higher mortality rates than the insured 
+(Figure 10). Uninsured adults are less likely to receive preventive 
+health services such as regular mammograms, clinical breast exams, pap 
+tests, and colorectal screening. They have higher cancer mortality 
+rates, in part, because when cancer is diagnosed late in its 
+progression, the survival chances are greatly reduced. Similarly, 
+uninsured persons with heart disease are less likely to undergo 
+diagnostic and revascularization procedures, less likely to be admitted 
+to hospitals with cardiac services, more likely to delay care for chest 
+pain, and have a 25 percent higher in-hospital mortality.
+
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+
+    Urban Institute researchers Jack Hadley and John Holahan, drawing 
+from a wide range of studies, conservatively estimate that a reduction 
+in mortality of five to 15 percent could be achieved if the uninsured 
+were to gain continuous health coverage. The Institute of Medicine 
+(IOM) in its analysis of the consequences of lack of insurance 
+estimates that 18,000 Americans die prematurely each year due to the 
+effects of lack of health insurance coverage.
+    Beyond the direct effects on health, lack of insurance also can 
+compromise earnings of workers and educational attainment of their 
+children. Poor health among adults leads to lower labor force 
+participation, lower work effort in the labor force, and lower 
+earnings. For children, poor health leads to poorer school attendance 
+with both lower school achievement and cognitive development.
+    These insurance gaps do not solely affect the uninsured themselves, 
+but also affect our communities and society. In 2001, it is estimated 
+that $35 billion in uncompensated care was provided in the health 
+system with government funding accounting for 75 to 80 percent of all 
+uncompensated care funding (Figure 11). The poorer health of the 
+uninsured adds to the health burden of communities because those 
+without insurance often forgo preventive services, putting them at 
+greater risk of communicable diseases. Communities with high rates of 
+the uninsured face increased pressure on their public health and 
+medical resources.
+
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+
+    A recent IOM report estimates that in the aggregate the diminished 
+health and shorter life spans of Americans who lack insurance is worth 
+between $65 and $130 billion for each year spent without health 
+insurance (Figure 12). Although they could not quantify the dollar 
+impact, the IOM committee concluded that public programs such as Social 
+Security Disability Insurance and the criminal justice system are 
+likely to have higher budgetary costs than they would if the U.S. 
+population under age 65 were fully insured. A new study by Hadley and 
+Holahan of the Urban Institute suggests that lack of insurance during 
+late middle age leads to significantly poorer health at age 65 and that 
+continuous coverage in middle age could lead to a $10 billion per year 
+savings to Medicare and Medicaid.
+
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+
+PROSPECTS FOR THE FUTURE
+    Given the growing consensus that lack of insurance is negatively 
+affecting not only the health of the uninsured, but also the health of 
+the nation, one would expect extending coverage to the uninsured to be 
+a national priority. All indicators point to significant growth in our 
+uninsured population if action is not taken to both broaden and secure 
+coverage.
+    With the poor economy and rising health care costs, employer-based 
+coverage--the mainstay of our health insurance system--is under 
+increased strain. Health insurance premiums rose nearly 14 percent this 
+year--the third consecutive year of double-digit increases--and a 
+marked contrast to only marginal increases in workers' wages (Figure 
+13). As a result, workers can expect to pay more for their share of 
+premiums and more out-of-pocket when they obtain care, putting 
+additional stress on limited family budgets. With average family 
+premiums now exceeding $9,000 per year and the workers' contribution to 
+premiums averaging $2,400, the cost of coverage is likely to be 
+increasingly unaffordable for many families, especially low-wage 
+workers. However, for most low-wage workers, especially those in small 
+firms, it is a question of availability, not affordability--because the 
+firms they work in do not offer coverage.
+
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+
+    In recent years, with SCHIP enactment and Medicaid expansions, 
+states have made notable progress in broadening outreach, simplifying 
+enrollment processes, and extending coverage to more low-income 
+families (Figure 14). Participation in public programs has helped to 
+reduce the number of uninsured children and demonstrated that outreach 
+and streamlined enrollment can improve the reach of public programs. 
+However, the combination of the current fiscal situation of states and 
+the downward turn in our economy are beginning to undo the progress we 
+have seen.
+
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+
+    From 2001 to 2002, employer-based health insurance coverage 
+declined for low-income adults and children while Medicaid and SCHIP 
+enrollment increased, muting a sharper climb in the number of 
+uninsured. Most notably, while the number of uninsured adults 
+increased, the number of uninsured children remained stable because 
+public coverage helped fill in the gaps resulting from loss of employer 
+coverage (Figure 15). Recent reports of enrollment freezes in SCHIP 
+programs and reductions in Medicaid coverage are troubling.
+
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+
+    With the recent economic downturn, states have experienced the 
+worst fiscal situation they have faced since the end of World War II. 
+State revenues fell faster and further than anyone predicted, creating 
+substantial shortfalls in state budgets. In 2002, after accounting for 
+the effect of legislative changes, real state revenue collections 
+declined for the first time in a decade--falling 6.8 percent that year 
+followed by a 3.3 percent decline in 2003. Although states predict 
+slight growth for 2004, it is not sufficient to meet rising program 
+costs. Medicaid spending has been increasing as health care costs for 
+both the public and private markets have grown and enrollment in 
+Medicaid has increased, largely as a result of the weak economy and 
+loss of jobs and income. However, even with Medicaid spending pressure, 
+it is the state revenue shortfalls--not Medicaid--that remain the 
+primary cause of the state budget crisis.
+    The state revenue falloff is, however, placing enormous pressure on 
+state budgets and endangering states' ability to provide the funds 
+necessary to sustain Medicaid coverage. Turning first to ``rainy day'' 
+and tobacco settlement funds, states have tried to preserve Medicaid 
+and keep the associated federal dollars in their programs and state 
+economies. But, as the sources of state funds become depleted, states 
+face a daunting challenge in trying to forestall new or deeper cuts in 
+Medicaid spending growth. In the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief 
+Reconciliation Act enacted in May 2003, Congress provided $20 billion 
+in state fiscal relief, including an estimated $10 billion through a 
+temporary increase in the federal Medicaid matching rate. This helped 
+states avoid making deeper reductions in their Medicaid spending 
+growth, but this fiscal relief will expire in June of this year. It 
+seems unlikely that states' fiscal conditions will substantially 
+improve by then, so the absence of continued fiscal assistance from the 
+federal government will likely result in additional cutbacks in 
+Medicaid coverage in many states.
+    Because Medicaid is the second largest item in most state budgets 
+after education, cuts in the program appear inevitable--in the absence 
+of new revenue sources--as states seek to balance their budgets and the 
+fiscal relief expires. Indeed, survey data the Kaiser Commission on 
+Medicaid and the Uninsured released in January indicates that 49 states 
+and the District of Columbia put new Medicaid cost containment 
+strategies in place in fiscal year 2004. This cost containment activity 
+follows two previous years of Medicaid cost containment action in many 
+states (Figure 16).
+
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+
+    States have continued to aggressively pursue a variety of cost 
+containment strategies, including reducing provider payments, placing 
+new limits on prescription drug use and payments, and adopting disease 
+management strategies and trying to better manage high-cost cases. The 
+pressure to reduce Medicaid spending growth further has also led many 
+states to turn to eligibility and benefit reductions as well as 
+increased cost-sharing for beneficiaries, although, reflecting the 
+requirements of the federal fiscal relief, no states have made 
+additional Medicaid eligibility reductions since the fiscal relief took 
+effect last year. Although in many cases these reductions have been 
+targeted fairly narrowly, some states have found it necessary to make 
+deeper reductions, affecting tens of thousands of people.
+    The fiscal situation in the states jeopardizes not only Medicaid's 
+role as the health insurer of low-income families, but also its broader 
+role as the health and long-term assistance program for the elderly and 
+people with disabilities. Although children account for half of 
+Medicaid's 51 million enrollees, they account for only 18 percent of 
+Medicaid spending. The low-income elderly and disabled population 
+represents a quarter of Medicaid beneficiaries, but 70 percent of all 
+spending because of their greater health needs and dependence on 
+Medicaid for assistance with long-term care. Facing their budget 
+shortfalls, states will find it difficult to achieve painless 
+reductions and understandably are seeking more direct federal 
+assistance, especially with the costs associated with the elderly and 
+disabled who are covered through both Medicare and Medicaid (the dual 
+eligibles) and account for 42 percent of Medicaid spending.
+
+CONCLUSION
+    Looking ahead, it is hard to see how we will be able to continue to 
+make progress in expanding coverage to the uninsured or even 
+maintaining the coverage Medicaid now provides. Lack of health coverage 
+is a growing problem for millions of American families. The poor 
+economy combined with rising health care costs make further declines in 
+employer-sponsored coverage likely. The state fiscal situation combined 
+with rising federal deficits complicate any efforts at reform. In the 
+absence of additional federal assistance, the fiscal crisis at the 
+state level is likely to compromise even the ability to maintain 
+coverage through public programs. Although Medicaid has demonstrated 
+success as a source of health coverage for low-income Americans and a 
+critical resource for those with serious health and long-term care 
+needs, that role is now in jeopardy.
+    Assuring the stability and adequacy of financing to meet the needs 
+of America's most vulnerable and addressing our growing uninsured 
+population ought to be among the nation's highest priorities. 
+Maintaining the coverage now provided through Medicaid and SCHIP and 
+building on that foundation to extend coverage to more of the low-
+income uninsured population provides both a tested and cost-effective 
+approach to reducing the number of uninsured Americans. But, like all 
+solutions to the uninsured, this too requires additional resources and 
+given the fiscal straits of the states, undoubtedly means a greater 
+commitment of federal support to address this national problem.
+    I commend your efforts to highlight the plight of the 43 million 
+Americans without health insurance coverage and to identify options 
+that could help address this growing problem. I look forward to working 
+with you to meet the challenge of making health care coverage a reality 
+for all Americans.
+    Thank you for the opportunity to testify today. I welcome any 
+questions.
+
+                                 
+
+    STATEMENT OF LEN M. NICHOLS, VICE PRESIDENT, CENTER FOR 
+                 STUDYING HEALTH SYSTEM CHANGE
+
+    Mr. NICHOLS. Madam Chair, Representative Stark, and Members 
+of the Subcommittee, I am honored to testify before you today 
+on a topic of such importance to our Nation. My name is Len 
+Nichols, and I am the vice president of the Center for Studying 
+Health System Change. I am also a participant in the Economic 
+Research Initiative on the Uninsured (ERIU), a project that 
+convened a group of health and labor economists from around the 
+country to sort out what we do and do not know about the 
+uninsured. ERIU recently published a book entitled Health 
+Policy and the Uninsured, and my written testimony is organized 
+around 10 myths about the uninsured which are implicitly 
+debunked in different chapters of the book, one of which I 
+coauthored. My remarks today shall highlight four of these 
+myths.
+    Myth number 3: Coverage is coverage is coverage. As 
+Representative Stark alluded to, the punch line is that head 
+counts in coverage are not enough. Insurance differs in terms 
+of the kind of financial protection it offers, the potential 
+for improvement in health, and the humanity of the treatment 
+when you enter the delivery system. To put it slightly 
+differently, imagine a policy that gave every American as much 
+insurance as $100 could buy. We would then have zero uninsured, 
+but we wouldn't be very much better off than we are now.
+    Myth number 4: Health insurance would improve the health of 
+all the uninsured. This is among the more complicated and 
+emotional disputes in health policy analysis. It turns out that 
+standards of proof about causation in this area have not been 
+as high as they should have been. Researchers have come to 
+realize there may be important but unobservable differences in 
+people that make different choices about things like insurance, 
+diet, exercise, and education. If we merely observe what people 
+do without proper research controls, it is hard to be sure what 
+caused and what was merely associated with health outcomes. 
+When appropriate standards of proof have been met, the evidence 
+suggests that health insurance does indeed have positive 
+effects on the health of certain key populations: the poor, the 
+elderly, the truly sick, and children. What has not been proven 
+by this standard is that universal coverage would improve the 
+health of all of the uninsured, and this leads economists to 
+the following three inferences: We cannot say with certainty 
+that more public subsidies for health insurance for the general 
+population would be the best way to improve health. The second 
+thing, understanding more about the complex relations between 
+health status, health services, health insurance, personal 
+behaviors and information would help us improve our policy 
+advice. Third, there are many reasons to support universal 
+coverage, but the analytic case for the general short-run 
+positive health effects is not the strongest one.
+    Myth number 9, one of my favorites: Economists don't know 
+anything about why people are uninsured. Sometimes it seems 
+that a normal person might listen to economists argue among 
+themselves and conclude that nothing has ever been 
+satisfactorily proved. That is not the case. This issue is so 
+important, I devote the last two myths to embellishing the 
+point. There are three things most economists actually do 
+believe about the lack of insurance coverage, and this one is 
+key. The single most important reason people are uninsured in 
+this country is they are not willing to pay what it costs to 
+insure themselves. This unwillingness to pay is highly, but not 
+perfectly, correlated with low income. Thus, if policymakers 
+really want to increase coverage, they are going to have to 
+provide substantial subsidies since most of the uninsureds have 
+incomes below twice times poverty.
+    Finally myth number 10: The combined research evidence 
+supports doing nothing to address the problems of the uninsured 
+today. Now, I want to be clear. Economists and health policy 
+analysts cannot tell you as a scientific matter that you should 
+implement new subsidies and other policies designed to reduce 
+the number of uninsureds. We can, when we are at our best 
+behavior, articulate and help you see the tradeoffs involved, 
+but only you who have been entrusted with the power of the 
+people can decide if the opportunity cost is worth it; that is, 
+which competing priorities will and should get less attention 
+and fewer resources. A politically neutral observer might 
+conclude from our relative inaction on behalf of the adults in 
+the last 35 years that the case for doing something substantial 
+about the uninsured must be weak. I believe this is the wrong 
+conclusion to draw from the evidence I have reported on today 
+as well as some other recent empirical work.
+    The case for some kind of significant coverage expansion 
+seems persuasive to many health economists and health policy 
+researchers today, but perhaps the best proof of the value of 
+health insurance lies not in statistics or econometrics, but 
+rather in the fact that all of the health policy analysts I 
+know--and I have lived long enough to know quite a few of 
+them--actually seek out and keep health insurance even when 
+self-employed. They even buy for their recalcitrant adult 
+children when the latter emerge from college feeling immortal 
+but also stunned at the rental price of nice apartments in our 
+great cities.
+    The choice is less funny for two working parents who make, 
+say, $7.50 an hour and therefore earn $30,000 a year. Their 
+children would in most States, as Diane pointed out, be 
+eligible for SCHIP, but they would not likely be offered health 
+insurance at their jobs, and they make far more than most 
+States' Medicaid income cut-off for adults. They are also not 
+likely to spend a third or more of their income on family 
+health insurance than the nongroup market. To add one final 
+touch of realism, you may assume they are healthy today.
+    Are we willing to require them to obtain health insurance? 
+If they do get sick, they will use resources that will impose 
+costs on the rest of us, and thus a requirement to purchase 
+would be responsive to the free rider justification for 
+universal coverage. Of course, at $30,000 a year, they can't 
+afford it, so we would also have to subsidize their purchase of 
+insurance or impose an inequitable burden upon them. At the 
+same time, they are healthy now, so the Nation would be 
+essentially buying for them true insurance with no necessary 
+immediate health benefits; that is, we would be buying 
+protection from risk, a risk of potentially devastating 
+financial, emotional, and health consequences of unforeseen 
+health problems which could strike any of us this very 
+afternoon.
+    The question comes down to, are we willing as a nation of 
+communities to pay to protect these parents from living with 
+this risk that we all pay to avoid for ourselves and to protect 
+us all from free rider costs? These are the ultimate questions 
+that only you and your colleagues can answer, but we would be 
+glad to help. Thank you very much.
+    [The prepared statement of Mr. Nichols follows:]
+
+Statement of Len M. Nichols, Ph.D., Vice President, Center for Studying 
+                             Health System
+
+                       Myths about the Uninsured
+
+    Madame Chair, Representative Stark and members of the Subcommittee, 
+I am honored to have been invited to testify before you today on a 
+topic of such importance to our nation, facts about those who live 
+without health insurance. My name is Len M. Nichols and I am an 
+economist and the vice president of the Center for Studying Health 
+System Change (HSC). HSC is an independent, nonpartisan health policy 
+research organization that is principally funded by The Robert Wood 
+Johnson Foundation and is affiliated with Mathematica Policy Research. 
+We conduct nationally representative surveys of households and 
+physicians, site visits to monitor ongoing changes in the local health 
+systems of 12 U.S. communities, and we monitor secondary data and 
+general health system trends. Our goal is to provide members of 
+Congress and other policy makers with unique insights on developments 
+in health care markets and their impacts on people. Our various 
+research and communication activities may be found at www.hschange.org.
+    I am also a member of the Policy Advisory and Research Review 
+Committees of the Economic Research Initiative on the Uninsured (ERIU), 
+a project of The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation that convened a group 
+of health and labor economists to sort out what we do and do not know 
+about the uninsured in our country. The ultimate goal was to inform 
+policy makers who may consider specific policy responses. The project 
+was directed by Catherine McLaughlin, a professor of economics at the 
+University of Michigan. I was a co-author of a chapter in a recently 
+published book that grew out of this project, Health Policy and the 
+Uninsured (Urban Institute Press, 2004). My chapter was titled, ``Why 
+Are So Many Americans Uninsured?''
+    My testimony today is organized around a theme called ``Myths About 
+the Uninsured.'' This theme was also the one used at a recent press 
+briefing, which Mark Pauly--professor of economics and health care 
+systems at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania--and I 
+did together to report on the research contained in the ERIU book. Dr. 
+Pauly and I took turns clarifying the research pertinent to each myth, 
+and we both essentially agreed with what the other said. Dr. Pauly has 
+kindly allowed me to use some of his logic and words in my written 
+testimony. I take sole responsibility for any remaining errors or 
+ambiguity, however. In this testimony I have combined and rephrased 
+some of the myths we used that day, and I have added one more that 
+grows out of the spirit of the research but is wholly my contribution 
+to your deliberations. The 10 myths about the uninsured my written 
+testimony will highlight are:
+
+     1.  We know how many uninsured there are.
+     2.  The uninsured are all alike.
+     3.  Coverage is coverage is coverage.
+     4.  Health insurance would improve the health of all the 
+uninsured.
+     5.  The uninsured choose to be so.
+     6.  Employers pay $400 billion for health insurance today.
+     7.  The decision to remain uninsured has no effect on anyone else.
+     8.  Until HIPAA, workers were afraid to switch jobs because of 
+health insurance.
+     9.  Economists don't know anything about why people are uninsured.
+    10.  The combined research evidence supports doing nothing to 
+address the problems of the uninsured today.
+
+    Below I explain why economists think all these myths are misleading 
+to an important degree.
+    Myth #1: We know how many people are uninsured. Forty-four million 
+is the ``official'' number from the most recent Current Population 
+Survey, but the truth could be (and is) on either side. The CPS asks: 
+did you have health insurance at any time in the 12 months ending two 
+months ago? Penn State Professor Pamela Farley Short's chapter 
+clarifies the overwhelming evidence that many respondents answer the 
+CPS insurance questions incorrectly. Even if answered perfectly, this 
+concept omits quite a large number of people who lack insurance for a 
+period shorter than 12 months or the interval in which they lacked 
+insurance did not match the particular window asked about. So the truth 
+is that far more than 44 million are uninsured for a period shorter 
+than 12 months in a given year.
+    On the other hand, other surveys make clear that the 44 million 
+number overstates by as much as a factor of two the people who were 
+uninsured for all of the prior 12 months. The Census Bureau's Survey of 
+Income and Program Participation, HSC's Community Tracking Household 
+Survey, and AHRQ's Medical Expenditure Panel Survey, as well as the 
+Urban Institute's National Survey of America's Families, all have 
+probed survey respondents for years and said, now, are you really sure 
+that you didn't have any insurance for that time period?
+    The subtle lesson here is to pay attention to time frame. The 
+longer the period of time, the smaller the number of people who are 
+always without health insurance and the larger the number of people who 
+are without insurance for some of the relevant time period.
+    Perhaps the most important thing to establish from a policy 
+perspective is not the precise number, as long as we are confident that 
+the number of uninsured for an entire year is in the tens of millions, 
+and researchers are confident of this. The most important analytic 
+measurement may be the time trend in the percentage of non-elderly 
+Americans who are uninsured, which has recently been quite adverse. 
+Trends are more reliably calculated, assuming that the same kinds of 
+respondent errors and measurement imperfections are present each year, 
+which is a reasonable assumption.
+    Myth #2: The uninsured are all alike. This is manifestly false. The 
+uninsured tend to be somewhat lower-income and in somewhat poorer 
+health, but because there are so many of them and because they do span 
+various dimensions of American life, there are many who are young and 
+healthy but there are many who are not; there are many who are 
+reasonably well off, including a sizable fraction above the median 
+income. And then, as is also important to note, there is a sizable 
+fraction below the poverty line who are also sick and in a very bad 
+way. The message of this diversity for policy design in a world of 
+public budget constraints is that you probably want to be careful and 
+clever in making limited funds go as far as they can toward expanding 
+coverage. Of course, policies that are target efficient are also more 
+complex. In addition, there are inherent trade-offs in choosing a 
+target population, for example, in extending lower cost coverage to a 
+larger number of relatively healthy uninsured vs. extending higher cost 
+overage to a smaller number who are likely to have more health risks. 
+Value judgments are unavoidable when making actual policy choices in 
+this case.
+    Myth #3: Coverage is Coverage is Coverage. Designs of insurance 
+policies really do matter. Insurance is not insurance. Insurance 
+differs in terms of the kind of financial protection it offers, in the 
+potential for improvement in health it offers, and the humanity of the 
+treatment when you contact the healthcare system. To put it slightly 
+differently, imagine a policy that gave every American as much 
+insurance as $100 could buy. Every American would then have insurance, 
+we'd have zero uninsured, but we wouldn't really be in that much better 
+of a situation than we are now.
+    But the punch line is that the head counts of coverage are not 
+enough, that the actuarial value \1\ of insurance may vary, and even 
+given the same number of dollars spent on insurance, the consequences 
+of insurance may be different, depending on the form that insurance 
+takes. Furthermore, the harm of not having insurance may vary with the 
+length of time coverage is lost, as well as with nature of the people 
+without coverage.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \1\ Actuarial value can be thought of as the percentage of expected 
+health-related costs for an average risk person that the policy is 
+designed to cover. It is thus a measure of generosity of a health 
+insurance policy.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    Moreover, the kind of insurance that people get depends very 
+strongly on where they get it. If they work for a large Fortune-500 
+firm whose benefits department is run by professionals, they will get 
+very good and well-designed coverage. If they get it from Gus and 
+Otto's Garage, and neither Gus nor Otto was trained as an actuary, it 
+may not be such great coverage. And if they get it in the individual 
+market, it depends on how good the consumers are at searching through 
+the wide range of possibilities available to find the best buys out 
+there compared to other less satisfying policies that are also 
+available and may be easier to find.
+    Myth #4: Health insurance would improve the health of all the 
+uninsured. This is among the more complicated and emotional disputes in 
+health policy analysis. I will clarify how the literature may be 
+correctly interpreted on what is accepted as proven now, and take some 
+care to distinguish this from what we would like to know and from what 
+we might think policy should do in the face of real-world imperfect 
+knowledge.
+    Helen Levy and David Meltzer, both professors at the University of 
+Chicago, were asked to review the literature to assess this question: 
+``Does health insurance really affect health status?'' They were 
+rightly concerned that standards of proof about causation in this area 
+have often been lower than they should have been in many published 
+papers, even in many prestigious journals over the years. And they 
+chose to use a standard of proof that is quite high, but is nonetheless 
+becoming increasingly common in the social sciences, that causation is 
+not likely to be appropriately inferred unless there has been an 
+adequate natural experiment or a true experiment in which a 
+representative sample of people are assigned to have or not have 
+insurance for the duration of the experiment. This standard of proof 
+for causation has become more widely shared as researchers have 
+realized that there may be important but unobservable differences in 
+people that make different choices about things like insurance, diet, 
+exercise and education. If we merely observe what people do, it is hard 
+to be sure what caused and what merely reflected health outcomes. For 
+example, if some people (for whatever reason) have a low value for 
+their health, it is likely that they will not obtain health insurance 
+but also will not take steps (like preventive care and better health 
+habits) that are known to affect health. We can easily observe the 
+association of lack of insurance and low health, but it will be their 
+low demand for health that causes the poor health, not lack of 
+insurance per se.
+    Now, this standard of proof has rarely been met in the research 
+literature, but when it has, the bulk of the evidence suggests that 
+health insurance does indeed have positive effects on the health of 
+certain populations, and indeed, those most often at the center of a 
+policy debate: the poor, the elderly, the truly sick and children. What 
+has not been proven by this standard is that universal coverage would 
+improve the health of all of the uninsured, and this leads economists 
+to the following three inferences. (1) Because we do not have an 
+unbiased measure of the effect of health insurance on health in 
+general, we cannot say with certainty that more public subsidies for 
+health insurance for the general population would improve health status 
+more than would an increase in the capacity of public health centers or 
+public hospitals, better education about diet and exercise, or a more 
+equal income distribution for that matter; (2) Understanding more about 
+the complicated pathways that different types of people traverse from 
+coverage to health status through health services, and indeed, health 
+insurance and health education, would help us make far better 
+calibrated recommendations to policymakers; (3) There are many reasons 
+to support universal coverage, but the analytic case for the short-run 
+positive health effects is not the strongest one, at least for the 
+higher income and basically healthy uninsured who comprise roughly 40 
+percent of the uninsured today.
+    Another element of this generalized myth is that universal coverage 
+would eliminate poor health status among vulnerable populations. 
+Despite considerable policy attention and focus, rather large 
+disparities in health care outcomes among different population 
+subgroups persist in our country. At least part--and perhaps a very 
+large part--of the reason lies in differential access to health 
+insurance. Harold Pollack and Karl Kronebusch, from the Universities of 
+Chicago and Yale, respectively, have written a chapter that focuses on 
+access to health insurance by six subgroups that are often considered 
+vulnerable for one or more reasons. The groups are the low-income 
+population, children, racial and ethnic minorities, people living with 
+chronic conditions, the near-elderly, and people suffering from 
+psychiatric and substance use disorders.
+    Each group raises distinct concerns for public policy, health 
+insurance and the healthcare delivery system. Pollack and Kronebusch 
+conclude there are four basic reasons vulnerable populations often lack 
+health insurance: (1) they have medical and social needs that hinder 
+their access to good jobs and to private health insurance markets; (2) 
+they have general economic disadvantages, including lower incomes, 
+which impede their ability to pay for health insurance when it is 
+available and less access to jobs with employer-sponsored insurance, 
+which makes it cheaper; (3) they sometimes face discrimination based on 
+race, ethnicity or language; and (4) they sometimes suffer from 
+impaired decision-making and rather imperfect proxy decision-making. 
+And unfortunately, many people in vulnerable populations face multiple 
+barriers at the same time.
+    As an example of troubling disparities, taken from AHRQ's recent 
+healthcare disparities report,\2\ black women have lower rates than 
+white women of cancer screening and higher rates of diagnosis in late 
+stage and consequently higher death rates. These death rates apparently 
+persist even after controlling for education and income. They also 
+appear to persist after controlling for insurance. This suggests that 
+insurance alone cannot solve the problems faced by vulnerable 
+populations. Pollack and Kronebusch wrote: ``The data provide ample 
+warning that one should not oversell the possibilities of improving 
+health status and individual well-being through expanded health 
+coverage. Expanded coverage is unlikely to eliminate the high rates of 
+death and illness that arise from multiple causes and require 
+multifaceted interventions.'' In other words, insurance will help these 
+populations and reduce gaps,\3\ but eliminating the disparities gap 
+will require multiple policy changes.
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+    \2\ http://qualitytools.ahrq.gov/disparitiesReport/
+download_report.aspx
+    \3\ Hargraves, L. and J. Hadley. ``The Contribution of Insurance 
+Coverage and Community Resources to reducing Racial and Ethnic 
+Disparities in Access to Health Care,'' Health Services Research 38:3 
+(June 2003).
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+    Myth #5: Individuals without insurance choose to be so. In some 
+general sense this is true. No law prohibits people from buying 
+insurance, and most could buy individual insurance, although if you are 
+a very high-risk person you might find the price quoted to exceed what 
+you expect to get back in benefits, and a small fraction of people are 
+outright denied access to insurance at any price. But, more generally, 
+if we think of realistic choice or reasonable choice for low-income 
+people or for people at high levels of risk, if they don't have 
+insurance now, obtaining insurance voluntarily without further 
+subsidies is probably not a realistic option.
+    We also know--especially from some of the studies described in the 
+chapter that Linda Blumberg of the Urban Institute and I wrote--that 
+job matching is not perfect and there are some people who probably want 
+insurance who can only find a job in firms that do not offer insurance. 
+Now, they do not want it so much they are willing to pay whatever it 
+may take in the non-group market, but they do want insurance and can 
+not get it. There are also some other people who would rather have 
+higher wages than health insurance but can only find a job in a firm 
+that offers health insurance to them along with an acceptable wage. The 
+out-of-pocket premium required of them may even be low enough to induce 
+them to take-up this employer offer, but maybe not, and thus this low 
+relative demand--or willingness to pay--for health insurance may be the 
+core reason roughly 20% of workers do not accept their employer's 
+offer.
+    Myth #6: U.S. employers spend $400 billion a year for workers' 
+health care. This issue reveals how differently economists think from 
+most people. Imagine that somebody could wave a magic wand and end $400 
+billion of employer payments for health insurance. First, the 
+definition of ``pay'' in economics is not who writes a check, but the 
+definition is wrapped up in the question, would employers then get to 
+keep $400 billion more of profits that they could distribute to 
+stockholders on to increase compensation of their senior executives, or 
+to do whatever they wanted to do with it?
+    And the answer that economics gives--well summarized in a couple of 
+chapters in the ERIU volume--is no. One way to think about why the 
+answer is no is to think about why employers offer health insurance. 
+Now maybe some of them do it out of the goodness of their heart, and 
+some of them do it because they think insurance makes employees 
+healthier and therefore more productive, and under certain 
+circumstances there may be a business case for doing that. But most 
+employers, at least if you locked them in a room and asked them, ``Why 
+are you doing this if you whine and complain about it all the time, why 
+don't you just stop offering health insurance?'' And their answer is, 
+``Well, we need to offer health benefits to be competitive in the 
+market for workers, to be able to attract and retain high-quality 
+workers,'' which is another way of saying they offer health insurance 
+to obtain a given quality of worker for less total compensation outlay 
+than they would have to expend in the absence of health insurance.
+    And so the punch line is that if somehow employers were not allowed 
+to spend $400 billion on health insurance, then in order to attract the 
+workers that they were formerly attracting with this benefit, they 
+would have to use money or some other benefit that could well eat up or 
+even exceed all of the savings. So that's at least one way to think of 
+why economists are out of step with the rest of the world. Our 
+theoretical logic--and some careful empirical work--tells us that 
+(most) employers actually do not pay for health insurance (and by the 
+way, then, health insurance costs are not what makes U.S. products 
+noncompetitive internationally). Economists believe that ultimately 
+most workers end up paying for health insurance in the form of lower 
+wages.
+    This argument also works in reverse, which may be more germane for 
+the current situation. Imagine that employers are mandated to provide 
+health insurance, as has been passed in some states and introduced at 
+the federal level from time to time. Who's going to actually end up 
+paying for that? Well, the story is just the same as above but in 
+reverse. Initially of course employers will do most of the complaining 
+about it, as they have, and threaten to lay off workers, but that will, 
+at least over time, soften the labor market, cause raises to be smaller 
+than they otherwise would have been, and sooner or later, the bulk of 
+workers will end up paying for the health insurance that policy makers 
+gave them with the best of intentions. They'll end up paying for it 
+themselves through reduced wages and fewer jobs unless they receive a 
+subsidy. Of course, if they receive a generous subsidy or their 
+employer does, that subsidy will ultimately go to workers.
+    Myth #7: The decision to remain uninsured has no effect on anyone 
+else. An overarching feature of modern labor markets is worker 
+heterogeneity; we all differ in many important dimensions, including 
+our preferences for health insurance arrangements. One consequence of 
+heterogeneity is that different kinds of compensation packages may 
+exist in equilibrium, some with a broad array of health insurance 
+choices attached, some with one health insurance option embedded, and 
+some with only cash wages to entice a prospective employee to give up 
+their leisure time. Michael Chernew and Richard Hirth of the University 
+of Michigan focus their critical review essay on the connections 
+between decisions made by different people in the nexus of labor and 
+health insurance markets. This myth was chosen to highlight the reality 
+that some workers' willingness to work at jobs without health 
+insurance--while this may be a minority of workers today--has important 
+consequences for the rest of us.
+    First and foremost, it means employers have a choice about whether 
+to offer health insurance, and they will make this decision largely 
+based on the preferences, expectations and productivity of the dominant 
+type of worker they need to produce their products and services, as 
+well as on their own unique costs of delivering health insurance to 
+their workforce. For example, higher-wage workers are likely to be 
+willing to pay more for health insurance in the form of reduced wages, 
+and so employers of highly productive high-wage workers are more likely 
+to offer than are employers who can get by with mostly lower-wage 
+workers. This effect is amplified by our current tax subsidy for 
+premiums nominally paid by the employer, a subsidy that works out to be 
+roughly proportional to the marginal income tax rate of the worker. It 
+is also amplified for large firm employers of high wage workers, since 
+they have the lowest costs of providing health insurance, for they can 
+take advantage of various economies of scale.
+    But worker heterogeneity also means that local labor market 
+conditions can significantly affect offer rates, since firms offer only 
+when they must to compete for the workers they want, and we do observe 
+offer rates differ by as much as 20 percentage points across the United 
+States. This variation in offer rates also affects ultimate coverage 
+rates, of course. Differential offer rates and employer-sponsored 
+insurance (ESI) coverage rates also affect the contours of the coverage 
+problem faced by policy makers. For example, states with high offer 
+rates find it cheaper and easier to be more generous with Medicaid and 
+SCHIP eligibility--Minnesota and Wisconsin come to mind--than do states 
+with very low employer offer rates, like Arkansas and Mississippi.
+    Myth #8: Workers used to be afraid to switch jobs because of health 
+insurance, and HIPAA fixed that. ``Job lock'' is the shorthand term 
+economists applied to the phenomenon of workers remaining with less 
+productive jobs than they could get because they fear losing health 
+insurance if they were to switch. This was originally investigated with 
+some vigor in the early 1990s during the debates over the Clinton 
+Health Security Act, for it was argued that if the aggregate amount of 
+lost productivity was large enough, there could be a very large 
+hitherto uncounted gain to universal coverage, and thus the net cost to 
+society might be much lower than simple budgetary cost estimates.
+    Since then, much research was done, and HIPAA was passed, which 
+among other things, was designed to make the portability of insurance 
+more real and reduce job lock. Jonathan Gruber of MIT and Bridget 
+Madrian of the University of Pennsylvania reviewed the complex research 
+evidence and concluded that the studies with the most defensible 
+methods do indeed find some pre-HIPAA job-lock, though the welfare cost 
+from this job lock is essentially impossible to quantify. This means 
+economists cannot tell, at the moment, if additional policy 
+interventions are justified.
+    Gruber and Madrian also highlight two broad reasons to believe that 
+many workers are still reluctant to switch jobs for health insurance-
+related reasons, even after HIPAA: They stem from Myth #3, coverage is 
+coverage is coverage. First, workers could have more generous coverage 
+on their current job than HIPAA requires, in terms of pre-existing 
+condition waiting periods, actuarial value or access to preferred 
+providers. Second, insurance in the individual market costs more per 
+dollar of coverage, so that higher wages--exactly equal to what the 
+previous employer ``paid'' toward health insurance, for example--may 
+not be able to make one whole. Thus, workers are often reluctant to 
+leave a job with health insurance for a job that might pay higher wages 
+but does not have health insurance attached. The cost advantages of 
+group purchase are large.
+    Myth #9: Economists don't know anything about why people are 
+uninsured. Sometimes it seems that a normal person might listen to 
+economists argue among themselves or read a whole book devoted to 
+methodological flaws in prior work and reasonably conclude that 
+economists actually think we know exactly nothing, that nothing has 
+been satisfactorily proved, and we therefore need millions of dollars 
+and years more to study and argue before we will be able to say 
+anything at all that is useful to policymakers. This is not the case, 
+and this idea is so important, I will devote the last two ``myths'' to 
+embellishing the point. There are three things I think most economists 
+actually do believe about the lack of insurance coverage. And I think 
+the chapter by Linda Blumberg and myself make these fairly clear, even, 
+and maybe especially, to non-economists.
+
+    1. The single most important reason people are uninsured in this 
+country is they are not willing to pay what it costs to insure 
+themselves. This unwillingness to pay is highly but not perfectly 
+correlated with low income. Thus, if policy makers really want to 
+increase coverage, they're going to have to subsidize people, probably 
+quite substantially, since most of the uninsured have incomes below 
+twice-times poverty.
+    2. The prices people are required to pay for health insurance vary 
+a lot across different circumstances and insurance markets. Workers at 
+large firms probably face the lowest prices, and they, correspondingly, 
+have the highest offer rates and the most generous policies on average. 
+Thus, to economists, price really, really matters.
+    3. Even though price really, really matters, most people and firms 
+have fairly inelastic demands for health care and health insurance. 
+That is to say, those of us who can pay quite a bit more would pay more 
+than we have to now before we would go uninsured, and those who do not 
+buy it now will require substantial subsidy before they will buy it 
+voluntarily.
+
+    Myth #10: The combined research evidence supports doing nothing to 
+address the problems of the uninsured today. Economists and health 
+policy analysts cannot tell you--as a scientific matter--that you 
+should implement new subsidies and other policies designed to reduce 
+the number of the uninsured. We can--when we're at our best--articulate 
+and help you see the tradeoffs involved, but only you who have been 
+entrusted with the power of our people can decide if the opportunity 
+cost is worth it, i.e., which competing priorities will and should get 
+less attention and fewer resources. For let there be no doubt, if you 
+really want to make a serious dent in the uninsured problem, you're 
+going to have to be willing to claim and redirect a considerable amount 
+of public resources.
+    But at the same time, a politically neutral observer might 
+reasonably conclude, from the decades we have been discussing this 
+issue as a nation even while the number and percentage of uninsured 
+keeps trending upward, that the case for doing something substantial 
+about the uninsured must be widely perceived to be weak. I believe this 
+is the wrong conclusion to draw from the evidence I've reported on 
+today, as well as form the empirical work my colleagues at HSC and 
+others around the nation have done these last few years.\4\ Perhaps the 
+best evidence of the value of health insurance is not in statistics or 
+econometrics, however, but rather lies in the fact that all the health 
+policy analysts I know--and I know quite a few around the country--
+actively seek out and keep health insurance at all times, even when 
+self-employed, and they even buy it for their recalcitrant adult 
+children when the latter emerge from college feeling immortal but also 
+stunned at the rental price of nice apartments in our great cities 
+these days.
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+    \4\ B. Strunk and P. Cunningham. ``Treading Water: Americans' 
+Access to Needed Medical Care,'' Tracking Report No. 1. Center for 
+Studying Health System Change. March 2002. http://www.hschange.org/
+CONTENT/421/; Care Without Coverage: Too Little, Too Late. Institute of 
+Medicine, National Academy Press, May 2002; J. Hadley. ``Sicker and 
+Poorer--The Consequences of Being Uninsured: A Review of the Research 
+on the Relationship between Health Insurance, Medical Care Use, Health, 
+Work, and Income,'' Medical Care Research and Review Supplement to Vol. 
+60, No.2 (June 2003).
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+    The choice is less funny for two working parents who make say $7.50 
+an hour each--that's more than $2 above the minimum wage--and if they 
+work full time as most do, they therefore earn $30,000 a year. Their 
+children would in most but not all states be eligible for SCHIP, but 
+you can know they would not likely be offered health insurance at their 
+jobs, and they make far more than Medicaid income cutoffs in the vast 
+majority of states in our country. They are also not very likely to 
+feel like they can afford to spend a third or more of their gross 
+income on family health insurance in the non-group market. To add one 
+final touch of realism, you may assume they are healthy today.
+    Are we willing to require them to obtain health insurance? If they 
+do get sick, they will most likely access health resources that will 
+impose costs on the rest of us in various ways, and a requirement to 
+purchase then would be responsive to the so called ``free rider'' 
+justification for universal coverage. But of course they cannot afford 
+it, so we would also have to subsidize their purchase of it, or impose 
+an inequitable burden upon them. At the same time, they are healthy 
+now, so the nation would be partially buying for them true insurance 
+with no necessary immediate health benefit, that is, we would be buying 
+protection from risk, a risk of potentially devastating financial, 
+emotional and health consequences of unforeseen health problems which 
+could strike any of us this very afternoon. The question comes down to, 
+are we willing as a society to pay to protect these parents from living 
+with this risk that we all pay to avoid for ourselves, and to protect 
+us all from living with their free-rider risk? These are the ultimate 
+questions that only you and your colleagues can answer.
+    I devoutly wish it were otherwise, but we economists cannot tell 
+you with certainty the best particular way to expand health insurance 
+coverage,\5\ but I can say the case for some kind of significant 
+coverage expansion seems strong to many health economists and health 
+policy researchers today. The prudent strategy in the event you do move 
+in that direction would be to monitor the outcomes quite closely and be 
+prepared to alter details of the program or change course altogether if 
+credible evidence warrants it. We at the Center for Studying Health 
+System Change and in the economics and health services research 
+professions more generally will undertake to try and keep you well 
+informed.
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+    \5\ For a range of coverage proposals developed by thinkers with 
+many different perspectives, see the Covering America Web page at 
+www.esresearch.org. This Robert Wood Johnson Foundation project was 
+directed by Jack Meyer of the Economic and Social Research Institute.
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+    I would now be glad to answer any questions my testimony today 
+might have provoked.
+
+                                 
+
+    Chairman JOHNSON. Thank you very much, Dr. Nichols. Dr. 
+Melnick.
+
+STATEMENT OF GLENN MELNICK, PH.D., DIRECTOR, CENTER FOR HEALTH 
+   FINANCING, POLICY AND MANAGEMENT, UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN 
+              CALIFORNIA, LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA
+
+    Mr. MELNICK. Good afternoon, Chairwoman Johnson and Members 
+of the Subcommittee. I am privileged to have this opportunity 
+to share with you my recommendations on what Congress might do 
+to improve the pricing information in the health care 
+marketplace. Such improvements can be a first step in helping 
+to protect the uninsured from arbitrary and excessive prices 
+and to lay a foundation for serving individuals under the HSA 
+insurance option.
+    I am a professor of health care finance at the University 
+of Southern California, where I direct our Center For Health 
+Financing, Policy and Management. We have been conducting 
+analyses of hospital pricing for many years using data from 
+California and other States. In my short time today, I hope to 
+leave you with a better understanding of how hospital pricing 
+as currently practiced impacts the uninsured and what might be 
+done to improve it. My written information supplements my 
+testimony.
+    I first began with two powerful trends of hospital pricing 
+that I am afraid worsen the problem of the uninsured in America 
+and may stifle the market for HSAs. I will then present 
+recommendations designed to limit the negative effects of these 
+trends. Hospital pricing as currently practiced negatively 
+impacts the uninsured. We have witnessed a very significant and 
+rapid increase in hospital prices over the--list prices over 
+the last 8 years. Hospitals have two sets of prices, list 
+prices and net prices. Hospital list prices are the standard 
+set of prices established by hospitals each year for all their 
+services. The list price is more or less equivalent to the rack 
+rate that hospitals display--that hotels display for their 
+rooms.
+    All patients are charged the same list price for the same 
+service; however, very few patients actually pay the list 
+price. Insurance companies and other third-party payers 
+generally have contracts with hospitals which allow them to pay 
+a discounted price that is significantly below list price. 
+Uninsured patients, referred to in most hospital accounting 
+systems as self-pay, are charged the list price and then, 
+depending on the individual hospital's policies, may be offered 
+a discount.
+    To illustrate how this affects the uninsured, I turn your 
+attention to Exhibit 1 in the handout. This exhibit shows list 
+and net prices for patients admitted to California hospitals 
+for an appendectomy in 2002. The list price is $18,229, the 
+same to all patients. However, as you can see, the net price 
+differs depending on the patient's insurance status. Managed 
+care plans paid about $6,000, a 66 percent discount. Medicare 
+paid about $4,800, a 73 percent discount from list prices. The 
+uninsured self-pay patients are divided into two groups, those 
+that qualify for hospital indigent programs and all other 
+uninsured. The indigents end up paying the lowest net price, 
+about $1,700. Nonindigent self-pay patients paid the highest 
+net price, about $8,000. They did receive a discount, but it 
+was the smallest one.
+    Please note that these numbers are not exact, but they do 
+accurately portray the pattern of pricing out there. Hospital 
+pricing strategies are driven by a complex mix of contracting 
+arrangements as well as market forces, and as a result, 
+hospitals have focused largely on net prices. However, since 
+most hospitals can continue to increase their revenue from 
+insured patients by raising list prices, there is a strong 
+incentive for them to continue to increase list prices. The 
+data in the attached exhibits show that list prices have 
+increased rapidly and substantially in recent years throughout 
+the United States. An indirect and largely, I believe, 
+unintended affect of these trends is that they have created 
+hardship for the uninsured patients. In fact, hospital prices 
+that the uninsured population pay are increasing more than any 
+other group.
+    Given the incentives in the system, I believe that hospital 
+list prices will continue to rise faster than costs and net 
+prices, and will further exacerbate the problems facing the 
+uninsured. In some cases hospitals do discount from list prices 
+for self-pay patients; however, the practice of granting 
+discounts to self-pay patients is ad hoc at best right now. The 
+net price that an uninsured patient will pay depends on too 
+many arbitrary factors, such as the patient's level of 
+education, their negotiation skills, where the patient lives, 
+the hospital they are admitted to, their ability to pay, and 
+which collection agency their unpaid bills are sent to. 
+Furthermore, the lack of a rational and transparent pricing 
+system for self-pay patients may hinder development and 
+adoption of the HSA reforms.
+    In closing, I have two sets of recommendations: Form a 
+national task force to study the current patterns and practice 
+of pricing to the uninsured; and, two, charge the task force to 
+do the following: Develop guidelines and policies regarding 
+pricing and payment options for the uninsured; mandate that 
+hospitals report both the policies for discounting charges to 
+the self-pay patients and the procedures used to ensure that 
+all patients are aware of those policies and procedures; and, 
+finally, mandate that hospitals annually report their actual 
+experience publicly vis-a-vis the uninsured in terms of 
+charges, discounts, and collections. Through mandated public 
+disclosure and media attention, social pressure will be brought 
+to bear on hospitals to develop fair and reasonable pricing for 
+the uninsured. These explicit policies and better reporting can 
+serve to moderate the negative and arbitrary effects of rising 
+hospital charges until we have a more systematic solution to 
+covering the uninsured and could lay the groundwork for the 
+emerging HSA market. Thank you.
+    [The prepared statement of Dr. Melnick follows:]
+
+    Statement of Glenn Melnick, Ph.D., Director, Center for Health 
+ Financing, Policy and Management, University of Southern California, 
+  School of Policy, Planning and Development, Los Angeles, California
+
+                   Hospital Pricing and the Uninsured
+
+    I will first discuss powerful trends in hospital pricing that I am 
+afraid will worsen the problem of the uninsured in America and stifle 
+the market for HSAs. I will then present a set of recommendations 
+designed to limit the negative effects of these trends.
+Hospital pricing as currently practiced negatively impacts the 
+        uninsured
+    We have witnessed a very significant and rapid increase in hospital 
+list prices over the past 8 years in the U.S.
+Hospital Pricing Terminology and Practices
+    To better understand hospital pricing, some terminology is 
+required. Hospitals have two sets of prices: list prices and net 
+prices.
+    Hospital list prices (more commonly referred to as gross charges) 
+are a standard set of prices established by hospitals each year 
+(generally) for all their services. The list price is more or less 
+equivalent to the ``rack rate'' that hotels display for their rooms. 
+All patients are charged the same list price for the same service.
+    However, very few patients actually pay the list price (see Exhibit 
+1). Insurance companies and other third party payors generally have 
+contracts with hospitals, either directly or indirectly through rented 
+provider networks, which allow them to pay a discounted price that is 
+significantly below the list price. Uninsured patients (referred to in 
+most hospital accounting systems as self-pay) are charged the list 
+price and then depending on the individual hospital's pricing policy, 
+may be offered a discount. The actual amount a hospital receives from 
+the patient will be based on this discounted price less any portion of 
+the bill that turns out to be un-collectible.
+    Hospital pricing strategies are driven by a complex mix of 
+differing payment schemes and contracting arrangements as well as 
+market forces.
+    With the advent of selective contracting and the growth of managed 
+care in the U.S., the practice of negotiating discounts with hospitals 
+has become widespread. In this environment the gap between list and net 
+prices has widened. Contracting, combined with market forces, largely 
+drives hospital net prices. Consequently, most insurers, policymakers, 
+and researchers have focused on net prices. However, there are a number 
+of factors that have kept hospital list prices important in overall 
+hospital pricing and which have contributed to the rapid run-up in list 
+prices. These factors include:
+
+      Not all third party payors have contracts with all 
+providers (i.e., Some third parties pay list prices or charges).
+      Many third party contracts include payment formulae where 
+the discount is applied to list prices (or charges).
+      Many third party contracts (including Medicare) have 
+stop-loss provisions that pay on the basis of list prices (charges) 
+above a certain threshold.
+      In many cases the stop loss threshold is based on list 
+prices (charges).
+      Not all insured patients are covered by a third party at 
+every hospital (e.g, for out-of-network use).
+      Some patients have no insurance coverage (self-pay 
+patients) and do not have access to negotiated discounted prices at any 
+hospital.
+
+    Since most hospitals can increase their net revenue (from private 
+insurers, Medicare, and workers comp plans) by raising their list 
+prices, there is a strong incentive to keep increasing list prices. 
+Indeed, data show that list prices have increased rapidly and 
+substantially in recent years.
+    The following data provide a picture of what has happened to 
+hospital list prices in recent years:
+
+      Hospitals have increased their list prices much faster 
+than their costs have gone up and much faster than their net prices 
+(see Exhibits 2 and 3 for California data and Exhibit 4 for national 
+data).
+      The difference between hospital list prices and costs 
+varies substantially from state to state across the U.S. (see Exhibit 
+5).
+      The difference between hospital list prices and net 
+prices varies substantially across hospitals within the same state 
+(data can be obtained from the author)
+
+    An indirect and largely unintended effect of these trends is that 
+they have created hardship for uninsured patients--the hospital prices 
+they face are increasing more than for any other group.
+    Not only do the uninsured pay for all their care out-of-pocket, but 
+they face higher fees for the same procedure than the insured since 
+they do not benefit from the bargaining clout of an insurance company. 
+In the current environment, self-pay patients are much more likely to 
+be asked to pay the list price than insured patients. An example of 
+this is illustrated by the data previously presented in Exhibit 1. This 
+exhibit compares the average list price for an appendectomy in 
+California hospitals in 2002 with the amount actually paid based on the 
+insurance status of the patient. Uninsured patients who do not qualify 
+as indigent (according to each hospital's criteria) pay far more than 
+patients who have insurance coverage.
+    Hospital list prices will continue to rise faster than cost and net 
+prices, further exacerbating the hardship on the uninsured.
+    With continuing managed care push back by hospitals, we will see 
+more hospitals terminating their capitated contracts with third party 
+payers. This will move more hospital volume into fee-for-service 
+contracts that generally include list prices in the payment formulae, 
+either in terms of discounts from list price or as part of stop-loss 
+provisions. This will increase the reward to hospitals gained by 
+raising their list prices. Under this scenario, the uninsured will 
+continue to face higher price increases than insured patients.
+    In some cases, hospitals do discount from list prices for self-pay 
+patients. However, this policy may not be uniformly applied to all 
+self-pay patients within a hospital and discounts vary substantially 
+across hospitals and across the country.
+    The practice of granting discounts to self-pay patients is ad hoc 
+at best. It varies both across hospitals and within hospitals. As a 
+result, the net price that an uninsured patient pays for hospital care 
+depends not only upon his ability to pay, but also upon his level of 
+education, negotiation skills, where he lives, the hospital he is 
+admitted to, and which if any collection agency is retained by the 
+hospital.
+    One reason for the wide variation in pricing services for self-pay 
+patients is that hospitals have not really focused on developing an 
+analytical capacity for retail pricing. List prices have grown very 
+quickly and so have only recently become an important element of 
+pricing to hospitals.
+    Moreover, most hospitals do not have the necessary data systems 
+that allow them to accurately calculate how much they charge or receive 
+from the self-pay population. Self-pay patients often start out in and 
+are billed to a third party payor category and then end up as self-pay. 
+Often the charge is not reclassified while any payments would be 
+credited to the self-pay category. This could understate gross charges 
+to self-pay patients and make it appear that hospitals are collecting a 
+higher percentage of gross charges to self-pay patients than is the 
+case.
+    Furthermore, the lack of a rational and transparent pricing system 
+for self-pay patients may hinder development and adoption of the health 
+savings account (HSA) reforms.
+    Individuals choosing an HSA as their primary insurance mechanism 
+may face the same rapidly increasing list prices that the uninsured 
+face since they will be seeking care with their own funds. Moreover, 
+the nascent state of analytical pricing models in hospitals and the 
+absence of management tools that I've already noted could hinder the 
+development and growth of the retail market envisioned under health 
+savings accounts.
+Recommendations
+    1.  Form a national Task Force to study current patterns and 
+practices of pricing to the uninsured.
+    2.  Charge the Task Force to:
+
+      a.  Develop guidelines for policies and procedures regarding 
+pricing and payment options for the uninsured.
+      b.  Mandate hospital reporting of both the policies for 
+discounting charges to self-pay patients and the procedures used to 
+ensure that all patients are aware of the discounted payment options.
+      c.  Mandate that hospitals annually report their actual 
+experience vis-a-vis the uninsured in terms of charges, discounts and 
+collections.
+Rationale
+    Through mandated public disclosure and media attention, social 
+pressure will be brought to bear on hospitals to develop fair and 
+reasonable pricing policies for the uninsured in their communities. As 
+a first step in easing access for the uninsured, hospitals should be 
+required to develop explicit policies and procedures for discounting 
+list prices or charges to self-pay patients. Ideally, the discounting 
+schedule would be a sliding scale based on income.
+    These policies and procedures should be included in all mailings to 
+patients. When patients receive their first bill, it should clearly 
+state that they may not be required to pay the charge listed. Rather, 
+it should inform them that they are eligible to apply for a reduced fee 
+under the hospitals' discounting program based on specific guidelines.
+    These policies and procedures should also be posted at the hospital 
+registration area and should be reported to state health departments or 
+other relevant agencies so that the public and media have easy access 
+to this information.
+    In addition to developing and publicizing policies for charging the 
+uninsured, hospitals should be required to report their experience each 
+year in terms of how the uninsured were billed and the final 
+disposition of their bills. The annual reporting could be incorporated 
+into the recent CMS rule requiring hospitals to report uncompensated 
+care on the Medicare cost report form. Explicit policies and better 
+reporting could serve to moderate the negative and arbitrary effects of 
+rising hospital charges until we have a more systematic solution to 
+covering the uninsured in the United States.
+
+                             Glenn Melnick
+
+    Dr. Melnick is Professor and Blue Cross of California Chair in 
+Health Care Finance at the University of Southern California (USC).
+    Dr. Melnick has worked extensively in the area of health care 
+insurance and health care market competition. Dr. Melnick's research 
+has focused on the areas of pricing of hospital services, health 
+insurance and health care markets and he has numerous publications in 
+the scientific literature, including journals such as Health Economics, 
+JAMA, Health Affairs and many others. He is frequently called upon to 
+provide expert advice to the Federal Trade Commission, States' 
+Attorneys General and others. His editorials have appeared in the  Wall 
+Street Journal and the Los Angeles Times.
+    In addition to his work in the U.S., Professor Melnick works in 
+Pacific Rim countries (including China, Taiwan, and Indonesia) 
+providing technical assistance and training to assist countries in the 
+development of formal health insurance systems and social programs. Dr. 
+Melnick is also the Director of USC's International Public Policy and 
+Management Program (IPPAM). [email protected]
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+    Chairman JOHNSON. Thank you very much, Dr. Melnick. Mr. 
+Scandlen.
+
+   STATEMENT OF GREG SCANDLEN, DIRECTOR, CENTER FOR CONSUMER 
+   DRIVEN HEALTH CARE, GALEN INSTITUTE, ALEXANDRIA, VIRGINIA
+
+    Mr. SCANDLEN. Thank you, Madam Chairman, for the 
+opportunity to share some thoughts with you. I think it is 
+worth stepping back a few paces and looking at how we got here 
+if we are looking at the underlying causes of noninsurance in 
+this country. I think my perspective will be different than 
+most of what you have heard in the past several years.
+    Generally people will cite the growth of technology, the 
+aging population, labor market effects in looking at what is 
+behind the uninsured. I think these things, perhaps with the 
+exception of the aging population, are more symptom than cause, 
+and I think the technology--for instance, in most industries 
+technology will actually save money, but only in health care 
+does technology actually add to overall costs. I would suggest 
+this is because only in health care are we subject to a system 
+of third-party payment. Third-party payment distorts the market 
+so that economizing technologies are given short shrift while 
+revenue enhancing technologies are highly valued.
+    Third-party payment itself is also not the ultimate cause, 
+I don't believe. We have adopted a system of third-party 
+payment largely because of State and Federal policy that has 
+been adopted over the years. There are two things that I would 
+like to focus on particularly today, although these are only 
+two of many. It is Federal tax policy dating back to 1943, and 
+the Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA) that goes 
+back to 1974.
+    Starting with the tax situation. As you know, the Internal 
+Revenue Service ruled that employer-sponsored health insurance 
+benefits would be free of taxes, excluded from income for 
+workers, and Congress codified that ruling in 1954. It was 
+seen, and I think it was, a good way to encourage more 
+coverage. The numbers of Americans with health insurance grew 
+from about 12 million in 1940 to 80 million in 1950 to 132 
+million in 1960, and the coverage became more generous and more 
+comprehensive, switching from basic hospitalization services to 
+major medical-type approaches.
+    It has also had two substantial, I think, negative 
+consequences. First of all, it advantaged only those with 
+access to employer-sponsored health insurance. It did not 
+advantage people that bought their own coverage or people that 
+paid directly for services. The large amount of new money that 
+was put into the system as a result of this incentive raised 
+prices for everybody, including those not associated with an 
+employer, with employer-based coverage. Now, that includes the 
+aged and the poor, but it also includes the self-employed and 
+people whose employers simply did not choose to provide 
+coverage. These people found it increasingly hard to pay for 
+their services.
+    In 1965, Congress addressed part of this problem by 
+enacting Medicare and Medicaid, but the rest of the affected 
+population, the self-employed and people without employer-based 
+coverage, were not helped. These days, the cost of these 
+subsidies are enormous, $250 billion in Federal money for 
+Medicare in 2003, $160 billion for Federal spending on Medicaid 
+and SCHIP, and $180 billion for employer-sponsored coverage in 
+2004.
+    There is another consequence of this subsidy as well. The 
+extraordinary amount of the subsidy causes that anyone who 
+could possibly get employer-sponsored coverage will do so, 
+leaving behind only those people who are unable to. That 
+includes lower income workers, people too sick to work, people 
+who are semiretired, and people in seasonal employment. This is 
+the pool that is available for the individual insurance market, 
+so their costs are considerably higher than the employer-
+sponsored pool, and coverage is ever less accessible for them.
+    I think ERISA has had a similar story. The primary result 
+of ERISA was to divide the employer-based market into very 
+large employers, influential employers who are completely 
+unconcerned about State regulation, and small, powerless 
+employers that were subject to State regulation. With the 
+absence of the larger employers from the political scene, State 
+legislators went on a feeding frenzy of regulation that raised 
+costs for smaller employers and for individuals and made--and 
+in some States destroyed the insurance market, and in all 
+States making coverage much less affordable for people not in 
+the employer-based system.
+    I would be happy to share additional information with you 
+sourcing these assertions, but also discussing some of the 
+other provisions in Federal law that have been problematic.
+    [The prepared statement of Mr. Scandlen follows:]
+
+Statement of Greg Scandlen, Director, Center for Consumer Driven Health 
+                         Care, Galen Institute
+Madam Chairman and Members of the Committee,
+
+    Thank you for the opportunity to share some thoughts with you about 
+the underlying reasons for uninsurance. I think you will find my 
+perspective rather different than most of what you have heard in the 
+past few years. Most commentators will discuss the aging population, 
+the growth of technology, labor market effects, and the like.
+    These all contribute, of course. But they are actually more 
+symptoms than causes. Take technology. In most industries technology 
+saves money. Only in health care does technology add to costs. Why 
+should this be? Because we have a system of third-party payment that is 
+unique to health care. Third-party payment distorts the market so that 
+economizing technologies are dismissed in favor of revenue-enhancing 
+technologies. Hospitals are encouraged to buy the latest whiz-bang MRI 
+machine, but do not equip physicians with PDAs that would reduce 
+medication errors.
+    But third-party payment is not the ultimate cause, either. Our 
+system of third-party payment is the direct result of many decades of 
+well-intentioned, but short-sighted and ultimately misguided state and 
+federal policies. These policies have had far-reaching and negative 
+consequences that were unforeseen (but not unforeseeable) when they 
+were enacted.
+    I will deal today with two--federal tax policy and ERISA--but these 
+are only two of the more prominent examples. Other federal laws that 
+have contributed to the problems we face include the Hill-Burton Act of 
+1946, the McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1947, price controls in the early 
+1970s, the HMO Act of 1973, the Health Planning Act of 1974, various 
+aspects of Medicare and Medicaid, COBRA, HIPAA, and a range of state 
+and federal mandates.
+    In each case, the law was passed with high hopes and good 
+intentions, but without adequate consideration of the long-term 
+consequences. Some of those consequences include creating the 
+conditions that made health coverage unaffordable for many, and 
+preventing the market from being able to respond appropriately. 
+Oftentimes the problems are compounded because of the way several of 
+the laws interact, as we will see with the combination of federal tax 
+policy and ERISA.
+    Let's start with tax policy. As you know, in 1943 the Internal 
+Revenue Service ruled that employer-sponsored benefits would be 
+excluded from income, and Congress codified that ruling in 1954. Health 
+insurance at the time was not very expensive and relatively few 
+Americans had any coverage at all, so the revenue effect was small. The 
+measure was seen as a good way to encourage more coverage, and in that 
+it was very successful. The numbers of Americans with health insurance 
+coverage grew from about 12 million in 1940 to 80 million in 1950 to 
+132 million by 1960 and the kind of coverage became more generous, 
+moving from basic hospitalization coverage to more comprehensive major 
+medical plans.
+    But this growth in employer-sponsored coverage had two negative 
+consequences:
+
+    1.  Tax policy advantaged only those with employer-sponsored health 
+insurance coverage, not people who bought their own or who paid 
+directly for services, and
+    2.  The large amount of new money in the system raised prices for 
+everybody--including those with no coverage. People not associated with 
+an employer--especially the aged and the poor, but also the self-
+employed and people whose employers didn't offer coverage--found it 
+increasingly difficult to pay for medical care.
+
+    In 1965, Congress addressed part of these concerns by enacting 
+Medicare and Medicaid for the aged and the poor, respectively. But 
+predictably, the infusion of large new amounts of federal money on the 
+demand side of health care resulted in even greater increases in the 
+cost of care. In 1960, 56% of total national health spending was paid 
+directly out-of-pocket by consumers, and only 21% was paid by state and 
+federal governments. In just seven years, in 1967, that changed to 36% 
+OOP and 37% by government payers. The total amount of money spent on 
+health care rose dramatically, tripling from 1965 to 1977, and rising 
+from 5.9% of Gross National Product to 8.3%. These demand-induced cost 
+increases further disadvantaged people remaining outside of the 
+subsidized system.
+    [As an aside, alarm over rising health care costs induced by all 
+this new money in the system resulted in a panic to ``do something'' 
+about costs in the early 1970s. What was done included the imposition 
+of price controls and health planning activities aimed at limiting the 
+supply of services. These were precisely the wrong responses to dealing 
+with demand-induced inflation. The basic theory of supply and demand 
+says that prices go up when demand outstrips supply. The way to deal 
+with rising prices is to increase--not reduce--supply.]
+    Since 1965 we have had a system that generously subsidizes the 
+elderly, the poor and people who get coverage on the job. Federal 
+expenditures alone equaled $250 billion for Medicare in 2003, $160 
+billion for Medicaid and SCHIP, and $180 billion in 2004 for employer-
+sponsored coverage. This subsidized spending clearly results in higher 
+prices for everyone, including those who get no subsidies at all.
+    Some of the uninsured, perhaps one quarter of the total, are 
+already eligible for Medicaid or employer-sponsored coverage, but have 
+not taken advantage of the coverage. But the overwhelming majority are 
+people who are not eligible for public programs and whose employers do 
+not offer coverage. These people might be willing to purchase their own 
+coverage, but there is no subsidy available to them to do so.
+    Someone getting coverage on the job has to earn $4,000 in 
+compensation to get $4,000 in benefits. The same person who does not 
+get coverage from an employer may have to earn $8,000 in wages to have 
+enough left over after taxes to pay for a $4,000 insurance policy. 
+Members of Congress, corporate executives, members of labor unions, all 
+are well subsidized. But someone who is laid off from a job, a waitress 
+in a diner, a stock clerk in a small retail store--people whose 
+employers don't provide coverage get no help with their health premium 
+at all. Their only choice is to buy individual coverage with after-tax 
+dollars or go uninsured.
+    There is another consequence, as well. Because of the extraordinary 
+tax subsidy provided solely to employer-sponsored coverage, anyone who 
+can get an employer-based plan will do so. This leaves only those who 
+cannot in the individual market. These people may be lower-income 
+workers, people too sick to work or semi-retired, people who change 
+jobs frequently, and people with seasonal employment. They are older, 
+sicker and poorer than people with employer-sponsored coverage. Because 
+they tend to be older and sicker and financially less stable, the cost 
+of the coverage is higher than it would be for an employer-sponsored 
+pool. There are higher claims costs because they are sicker and there 
+are higher administrative costs because premium collection, marketing 
+and retention are difficult. Yet these people get no help from their 
+employers and they get no tax advantage from the government.
+    Some employers might be willing to contribute to the costs of 
+coverage for these employees, but here the Employee Retirement Income 
+Security Act (ERISA) gets in the way. The employer may not want to 
+commit to purchasing a full-scale benefit plan with all the added 
+regulatory reports and responsibilities. They would prefer to simply 
+contribute money to the cost of an individual policy chosen and owned 
+by the employee.
+    The tax code actually allows them to do this. As far as the IRS is 
+concerned, employers are free to make such a contribution on a tax-
+favored basis. But ERISA forbids it. Under ERISA, an employer's 
+contribution means the coverage is an ``employee welfare benefits 
+plan:'' ergo, a ``group'' plan subject to all the requirements of any 
+other group plan, including the HIPAA guaranteed issue requirement. 
+Plus, state insurance law makes a clear distinction between group and 
+non-group coverage. The two are regulated and priced separately, 
+controlled by different sets of laws, usually offered by different 
+insurance companies. A worker who buys his own health coverage in the 
+non-group market must forfeit any tax advantage if the employer 
+contributes to the cost of the policy--not due to any tax code 
+regulation, but because of ERISA.
+    This is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to problems 
+created by ERISA. ERISA was enacted in 1974 to give employers a safe 
+harbor from state regulations and protect the assets of a benefit plan 
+from unreasonable costs. It was particularly important to multi-state 
+employers who wanted to provide consistent benefits in all of their 
+locations. But ERISA applies to all employer-sponsored plans (except 
+those offered by churches and governments), not just multi-state plans, 
+and not just to large employers. ERISA pre-empts all state laws 
+``relating to an employee welfare benefits plan.'' But ERISA ``saves'' 
+from pre-emption state laws that regulate insurance companies. The 
+states are allowed to continue regulating insurance companies.
+    Unfortunately, this results in a division of the employer 
+community. All are ERISA plans, but those who purchase coverage from an 
+insurance company are indirectly subject to all the regulations that 
+apply to that insurer. Those employers who ``self-insure'' their 
+benefits are exempt from the state insurance laws. Large employers are 
+able to self-insure and are thus exempt from state law. Smaller 
+employers must buy coverage from insurers and are thus subject to state 
+law.
+    This division affects the uninsured by disrupting the political 
+equilibrium in the states. Large influential employers don't care what 
+the state legislatures do, because they are completely unaffected by 
+it. That leaves only small, powerless employers to complain when a new 
+mandate is proposed, or new restrictions are placed on their coverage. 
+As a consequence, advocates of more regulations and more mandates 
+encounter little effective resistance.
+    In 1974, before ERISA was enacted, there were very few mandated 
+benefits. Since that time, over 1,500 separate laws have been enacted 
+by state legislatures mandating coverage of somebody's favorite little 
+service. The states have also passed limits on underwriting, community 
+rating laws, price controls, and a vast number of other laws and 
+regulations that have destroyed the insurance market in some states. 
+Whatever their seeming merit, all of these laws add costs and 
+complications to the process of a small employer providing coverage to 
+its workers.
+    Not surprisingly, the cost of small group coverage has gone up 
+faster than that of large, self-insured employers for many years. Also, 
+not surprisingly nearly half of uninsured workers work for small 
+companies. The ``irrational exuberance'' of state legislatures for 
+onerous regulations has virtually destroyed the small group market 
+across the country.
+    Let me summarize these two issues so the point doesn't get lost. 
+First on tax policy:
+
+      Congress allowed-employer sponsored health insurance to 
+be free of all taxes, state and federal, income and payroll.
+      The exclusion from income encouraged virtually all health 
+care services to be paid through a third-party mechanism.
+      Third-party payment created unlimited demand for health 
+care services.
+      Unlimited demand causes ever-higher prices.
+      Higher prices made it difficult for people not associated 
+with an employer to pay for their care.
+      Congress responded by enacting Medicare and Medicaid to 
+help the elderly and the poor to pay for coverage that was otherwise no 
+longer affordable
+      Medicare and Medicaid further increased demand, raising 
+prices even further.
+      The people not associated with any of these programs--
+especially people whose employers do not provide coverage--found it 
+even harder to pay for health care.
+      These same people had access only to individual insurance 
+policies, but the individual market had become a ``residual pool'' made 
+up largely of those people too sick or too unstable to access employer 
+plans.
+      Not only are costs higher in the individual market, but 
+tax policy requires these people to earn up to twice as much in wages 
+to pay for their coverage.
+
+    Next on ERISA:
+
+      Congress allowed all employer health plans to be exempt 
+from all state laws.
+      But Congress also allowed the states to continue to 
+regulate health insurance companies.Only those employers large enough 
+to self-fund their benefits actually escaped state regulation.
+      That left only those smaller employers who could only buy 
+fully-insured benefits subject to state regulations.
+      This eliminated the largest and most influential 
+corporations from being concerned about state laws and regulations.
+      State legislators now found little political resistance 
+to piling on regulations.
+      State legislators went on a feeding frenzy of mandates 
+and other regulations that substantially raised the cost of coverage 
+for small employers.
+      Small employers found it ever-harder to afford coverage.
+      Ever-fewer small employers provide coverage to their 
+employees.
+
+    These are the kinds of underlying conditions that make it difficult 
+for the uninsured to access coverage. We are not supposed to discuss 
+solutions here, but I do want to add a cautionary note. The American 
+people, the American health care system, and the American economy are 
+all entrenched in this system. Even if we wanted to un-do it, it would 
+be enormously disruptive to do it quickly. Change should be made 
+carefully and thoughtfully. But having an understanding of this history 
+and the consequences of well-intentioned policies should make it more 
+feasible to tailor changes that can work.
+
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+
+    Chairman JOHNSON. I thank the panel very much. You have 
+brought out a number of different things that create barriers 
+for people getting access to health insurance. Dr. Melnick, in 
+your charts you demonstrate how rapidly gross patient charges 
+have grown, particularly disparate to patient costs. To what do 
+you attribute this? Since raising their charges, I appreciate 
+that raising their charges also has an impact on raising what 
+they actually get for their services. Nonetheless, the 
+difference between the publicly announced charge and the 
+received payment is extraordinarily large. If you were to do 
+the bar chart on the bottom of page 8 where you talk about 
+trends in hospital charges and costs in California, if you were 
+to do that for any other product sector, would you see as big a 
+difference, for instance, in retail clothing between the marked 
+price and the discounted price at Marshall's?
+    Mr. MELNICK. I can't think of any example outside of health 
+care. I think the peculiar aspect of the way health care 
+financing payment has evolved over the last 10 or 15 years with 
+contracting, and the fact that embedded in many contracts is a 
+formula which includes charges on which some payments are made. 
+So, what happened is hospitals figured this out and said, well, 
+wait a second, we can raise our charges and get a higher 
+revenue. Even if it is only a small fraction, a half of a 
+percent, why not do it? I think that is how we got to where we 
+are today.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. I think behind that lies the complexity 
+of the Medicare payment system and there are points at which 
+raising your charges will reap you very big benefits for small 
+groups of patients. So, there are factors that drive this 
+behavior. In my experience, Medicaid is the worst actor in this 
+in the sense that the managed care plans tend to bargain across 
+the board; Medicaid tends to have a fixed price. So, if you 
+want to comment on that, I would be happy to hear that.
+    Mr. MELNICK. Well, I think, in preparing my testimony for 
+today, one thing I am struck by is we know very little about 
+actually this side of the whole pricing and how hospitals 
+operate in their data systems. I think one of the things we 
+need to do is improve that side of the hospital industry in 
+order to understand it better and prepare for other products. I 
+think third-party private sector contracts also many times have 
+charges built into the contracts so hospitals are rewarded both 
+through the Medicare side as well as through the commercial 
+side.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. Thank you. Dr. Rowland, in your research, 
+since you have done quite a lot of research, we all agree that 
+the most disadvantaged under this system are the people who 
+aren't poor enough to be on Medicaid or aren't signed up for 
+Medicaid whether they are poor or not, and those who work for 
+an employer that has a good plan or who can afford a plan 
+themselves. What do we know, outside of the demographics, about 
+where these people are? If they are mostly in the cities, do we 
+know why they are not signed up for Medicaid? It is astounding 
+that CBO could say that we have 25 percent of the children 
+uninsured when we have two different policies to cover 
+children. So, we need to understand more why those policies 
+don't reach.
+    One of the things about SCHIP is it discovered an awful lot 
+of Medicaid kids who were eligible for Medicaid and hadn't 
+signed up. How big a problem is that really? How many of the 
+uninsured live in a reasonable circumference of our community 
+health centers which will provide them with care according to 
+their income? So, we need to know more about who is using the 
+resources we have out there for people under 200 or 300 percent 
+of poverty income, and why do people who are eligible and 
+nearby don't use it? Has any of your research led you down 
+these particular trails?
+    Ms. ROWLAND. Well, our research has clearly shown that the 
+kinds of rules and eligibility requirements in place for 
+Medicaid prior to SCHIP, the documentation required when you 
+apply for coverage, the face-to-face interview, the enrollment 
+forms that were 24 pages long and asked numerous questions, the 
+requirement to bring in birth certificates and all kinds of 
+documentation helps to impede families from coming in to apply. 
+So, with SCHIP, the streamlined eligibility that came in for 
+SCHIP and then has been implemented in many States for the 
+Medicaid population as well; the fact that a working family 
+doesn't need to take the day off to come in and sign up.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. How much has that helped? Can you see 
+that in the data?
+    Ms. ROWLAND. We can clearly see. We have almost doubled the 
+number of children on Medicaid as a result of some of these 
+practices in the States that have streamlined it, and we can 
+show you the increased enrollment State by State from some of 
+the statistics that we collect. So, the children's story is 
+that when you simplify eligibility, you begin to increase 
+participation. What we see in a State like Wisconsin is that 
+when you cover the parents as well as the children, you have an 
+even higher participation rate.
+    So, some of the lack of coverage now is that in a State 
+like, for example, Louisiana, children are covered up to 200 
+percent of the poverty level, that is about $30,000 per family 
+of three, whereas a parent in that State is only covered up to 
+about $3,000 per year, so that this gap between covering the 
+parents and the children has really resulted in some lag in 
+enrollment.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. If you could provide us with that State 
+by State data, that would be helpful.
+    Ms. ROWLAND. I will certainly do that.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. Both for children and for adults.
+    Ms. ROWLAND. The other issue is that the uninsured children 
+live throughout the country, and they are often in rural areas. 
+So, really looking at access to facilities like community 
+health centers can help and really does help in many of the 
+urban areas, but has been a much less available source in the 
+rural areas.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. The same kind of studies about community 
+health centers and who they serve and how that has grown and 
+changed that you have around SCHIP.
+    Ms. ROWLAND. We have some studies that have looked at the 
+number of people served by community health centers and how 
+many of those are actually on Medicaid. About one-third of the 
+revenue today to community health centers comes from providing 
+services to people already on Medicaid and that helps to 
+supplement the direct core funding of community health centers. 
+I think that is an important thing to remember when you are 
+looking at trying to make that access more available.
+    Many community health centers have also become part of the 
+managed care plans that States contract with for their Medicaid 
+plans. We really need to look at both the delivery side of care 
+as well as the insurance card, because we know a Medicaid 
+insurance card can be fairly empty if it doesn't connect you 
+into a network of physicians. The low payments rates 
+historically have really made access to care for some 
+specialists especially difficult for Medicaid patients.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. Of course, the access to care with the 
+community health centers is less of a problem since community 
+health center doctors don't have malpractice costs, and the 
+community health centers are reimbursed on costs. They are only 
+one of the few actors in the systems that are reimbursed that 
+way. So, any information you can give us about---SCHIP and 
+children and adults, but also about community health centers 
+and any ways in which you see them participating more 
+aggressively in the uninsured and serving the uninsured 
+population.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. Now, Connecticut lost a large, very 
+large, number of jobs when a big insurance company went under 
+and regardless of their income, I told them to go, there was an 
+excellent facility. It was a great boon to the community health 
+center because all those people were full pay. Full pay at that 
+time was $27 for an annual physical. Now, this is 10 or 12 
+years ago. So, that was $27, but at that time that was about 
+$60 normally. So, they are very affordable. It is mysterious to 
+me that people of higher incomes when they are unemployed don't 
+use these facilities.
+    So, I think we need to know more about who uses them, 
+whether the unemployed go there, and so on and so forth. So, 
+how can we use the resources we have in the system better is 
+one of the most rapid avenues to reaching out that we would 
+have. Then, of course, what else do we need to do. So, anyone 
+who wants to offer on that. My time is up, and I don't want to 
+take much more, but I do thank you, Mr. Scandlen, for your 
+insight into current law, and, Dr. Nichols, for your work. Mr. 
+Stark.
+    Mr. STARK. Thank you, Madam Chair and the panel, for your 
+efforts in trying to enlighten us. I guess, however, there are 
+two questions for Dr. Nichols and Dr. Rowland in particular. We 
+talk about the diversity of the uninsured, but it is my sense 
+that perhaps two-thirds, just to pick a number, of the 
+uninsured come out of the lower-income population. Now, they 
+may be lower income because they lost their employment and 
+thereby their insurance. I don't know as there is any cause and 
+effect here.
+    What would be the low income--if it is systemic, if they 
+have been in low-paying jobs in the service sector, in jobs 
+that are part time, in jobs that have multiple employers in the 
+service sector, and they are unapt to have--they work for Wal-
+Mart, what would be your recommendation, just briefly for each 
+of you, of reaching that 60 percent or two-thirds of the 
+uninsured, however many there are out there? I think we would 
+all agree that a substantial majority of the uninsured are low 
+income. What is the best way to provide them coverage? Diane?
+    Ms. ROWLAND. Well, certainly I think building on the 
+experience of Medicaid and SCHIP with children and to try to 
+continue some of the outreach and enrollment simplification to 
+get those children that are already eligible for coverage but 
+are not enrolled, enrolled and into coverage.
+    Mr. STARK. Okay. In that, do you think you could find some 
+studies that you could send on to me that would show that that 
+is economically efficient, as opposed to individual policies 
+with a tax subsidy or other alternatives that are mentioned?
+    Ms. ROWLAND. We have done some recent work in conjunction 
+with Jack Hadley and John Holohan at the Urban Institute that 
+looks at the low-income population, the coverage received 
+within Medicaid versus comparable coverage through private 
+insurance. In fact, Medicaid treats, because of the nature of 
+the population it enrolls, a sicker population than those 
+privately insured in the low-income groups, but does so at a 
+much lower cost per person when you adjust for the differences 
+in health status. The reason for that is partially the low 
+payment rates that Medicaid pays to providers, but it is also 
+that Medicaid operates fairly efficiently for that population. 
+We can make that study available to you for the record.
+    Mr. STARK. I would appreciate it.
+    [The information follows:]
+
+Medicaid: A Lower-Cost Approach to Serving a High-Cost Population
+    Medicaid is our Nation's principal provider of health insurance 
+coverage for low-income Americans. The program is generally the only 
+source of health coverage available to the 38 million low-income 
+children and adults who are enrolled. Discussions about Medicaid 
+spending and financing are a perennial feature of policy, legislative, 
+and budget deliberations at both the Federal and state level. Some 
+contend that Medicaid is excessively costly and argue that the private 
+sector could provide coverage more efficiently. Others maintain that, 
+for the population covered and the services provided, Medicaid is, in 
+fact, an effective vehicle for providing coverage.
+    New research conducted by Jack Hadley and John Holahan of the Urban 
+Institute examines this issue and shows that Medicaid is a lower-cost 
+approach to providing coverage when compared with private insurance--
+once the poor health status of Medicaid's beneficiaries is taken into 
+account.\1\ The study brings new empirical evidence to bear in the 
+debate concerning the efficiency of Medicaid versus private health 
+insurance as a mechanism for covering low-income children and adults.
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+    \1\ For more details on the findings and methodology described in 
+this issue paper, see Jack Hadley and John Holahan, ``Is Health Care 
+Spending Higher under Medicaid or Private Insurance?'' Inquiry, Vol. 
+40, No. 4, Winter 2003/2004. This research was supported by the Kaiser 
+Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    The researchers sought to assess whether, for non-elderly adults 
+and children with incomes below 200 percent of the Federal poverty 
+level, Medicaid is a high-cost program relative to private health 
+insurance. Using statistical methods to control for differences between 
+the demographic, socio-economic and health characteristics of those 
+with Medicaid and those with private insurance, the investigators 
+examined whether health care spending would be lower under private 
+coverage than through Medicaid.\2\ This policy brief highlights the key 
+findings from this study.
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+    \1\ For more details on the findings and methodology described in 
+this issue paper, see Jack Hadley and John Holahan, ``Is Health Care 
+Spending Higher under Medicaid or Private Insurance?'' Inquiry, Vol. 
+40, No. 4, Winter 2003/2004. This research was supported by the Kaiser 
+Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured.
+    \2\ Hadley and Holahan based their analysis on pooled data from the 
+Medical Expenditure Panel Surveys (MEPS) conducted in 1996, 1997, 1998, 
+and 1999. The expenditure data were inflated to 2001 dollars using the 
+annual percentage increase in the National Health Accounts.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Study Highlights
+
+The Medicaid Population is Much Poorer and Sicker than the Low-Income 
+        Privately Insured Population
+    Income. The Medicaid population is much poorer than the low-income 
+privately insured population.\3\ The analysis by Hadley and Holahan 
+indicates that the average family income for adults with Medicaid was 
+only $18,614--56% of the average family income for low-income adults 
+with private insurance. Similarly, average family income for children 
+with Medicaid was 58% of average family income for low-income children 
+with private coverage.
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+    \1\ For more details on the findings and methodology described in 
+this issue paper, see Jack Hadley and John Holahan, ``Is Health Care 
+Spending Higher under Medicaid or Private Insurance?'' Inquiry, Vol. 
+40, No. 4, Winter 2003/2004. This research was supported by the Kaiser 
+Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured.
+    \2\ Hadley and Holahan based their analysis on pooled data from the 
+Medical Expenditure Panel Surveys (MEPS) conducted in 1996, 1997, 1998, 
+and 1999. The expenditure data were inflated to 2001 dollars using the 
+annual percentage increase in the National Health Accounts.
+    \3\ ``Low-income'' is defined as income below 200% of the Federal 
+Poverty Level (FPL).
+
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+
+    The much lower average income of the Medicaid population reflects 
+the extremely high concentration of poverty among Medicaid enrollees. 
+Among low-income adults, over 70 percent of those with Medicaid had 
+incomes below the poverty level, compared with only 20 percent of the 
+privately insured (Figure 1). Likewise, 73% of Medicaid children came 
+from families below poverty, compared with only 21% of privately 
+insured children.
+    Health. Health status is markedly worse among both adults and 
+children in Medicaid than among their privately insured counterparts. 
+Among adults, the disparity is dramatic. In particular, over one-third 
+of adults with Medicaid report that they are in fair or poor health, 
+compared with only 11 percent of the privately insured. Nearly 60 
+percent of low-income adults with private coverage reported that they 
+were in excellent or very good health, compared with only 34 percent 
+with Medicaid (Figure 2, Table 1).\4\ The health status differentials 
+for children are similar, though not as dramatic.
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+    \4\ Tables 1 and 2 appear at the end of the brief.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    Disability is also much more prevalent in Medicaid. Nearly half of 
+adults with Medicaid report physical or cognitive limitations--a 
+proportion over four times greater than among low-income adults with 
+private insurance (Figure 3, Table 1). Among children, the disability 
+rate is 20 percent in Medicaid, but 13 percent among the privately 
+insured.
+
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+
+Health Status Explains Medicaid's Higher Per Capita Spending
+    Driven largely by health status, per capita expenditures for adults 
+with Medicaid were higher than the corresponding amounts for low-income 
+adults with private coverage. However, when health status differences 
+were adjusted by excluding disabled adults \5\ from the analytic 
+sample, per capita expenditures were significantly lower for Medicaid 
+adults than for the privately insured. This result suggests that the 
+higher per capita spending associated with Medicaid adults was due to 
+the much poorer health of the Medicaid population.When all sample 
+adults were included in the analysis, per capita spending was $4,877 
+for those with Medicaid, compared with $2,843 for the privately 
+insured. When only non-disabled adults were included, spending per 
+Medicaid adult dropped by nearly two-thirds, to $1,752--about 78 
+percent of the corresponding private insurance level of $2,253 (Figure 
+4, Table 2).
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+    \5\ For purposes of this analysis, ``disabled'' individuals are 
+defined as those reporting any physical or cognitive limitation (see 
+Table 1).
+
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+
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+
+    Among children, per capita expenditures were significantly lower 
+(p^.10) for those with Medicaid than for those with private coverage--
+even when children with disabilities, who are more prevalent in the 
+Medicaid population, were included in the analysis (Figure 5, Table 2).
+    Benefits Often Cited as ``Overly Generous'' Account for Small Share 
+of Medicaid Spending and a Larger Share of Private Insurance Spending
+
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+
+    Dental and other services that states are not required by Federal 
+law to provide under Medicaid were found to account for less than 10 
+percent of per capita spending for non-disabled adults in Medicaid. In 
+fact, per capita spending for these services was higher for the 
+privately insured than it was for the non-disabled in Medicaid (Figure 
+6).
+Medicaid Protects against the High Out-of-Pocket Spending Faced by the 
+        Low-Income Privately Insured
+
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+        
+    Low-income people with private insurance incur much higher out-of-
+pocket costs than do those covered by Medicaid. Presumably, the higher 
+out-of-pocket costs they bear are attributable to cost-sharing charges 
+and spending for non-covered benefits.
+    Privately insured adults below 200% FPL had out-of-pocket costs 
+more than twice those of Medicaid adults, $585 versus $266 (Figure 7, 
+Table 2). When disabled adults were excluded from the sample to 
+increase comparability between the Medicaid and privately insured 
+groups with respect to health status, the out-of-pocket gap widened to 
+nearly a sixfold difference--$508 for the privately insured versus $91 
+for those in Medicaid (Figure 8). In the case of children, the 
+privately insured spent roughly seven times more than those with 
+Medicaid--whether children with disabilities were included or not. The 
+limits on cost-sharing in Medicaid appear to protect its beneficiaries 
+from large out-of-pocket obligations.
+
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+
+    The higher out-of-pocket health care costs incurred under private 
+coverage would be difficult for the sicker and poorer Medicaid 
+enrollees to afford if they were enrolled in private plans unless 
+states provided comprehensive ``wrap around'' or supplemental 
+protection to cover these costs.
+Simulation Results: Estimates of Spending per Person under Medicaid and 
+        Private Insurance
+    If the average person enrolled in Medicaid were shifted to private 
+insurance, simulation models indicate that per capita spending would 
+increase by $1,265 for an adult and by $76 for a child (Figure 9).\6\
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \6\ See Hadley and Holahan, 2004, for more details on the 
+simulation models used.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    Per capita spending for an adult Medicaid beneficiary in poor 
+health would rise from $9,615 to $14,785 if the person were insured 
+privately and received services consistent with private utilization 
+levels and private provider payment rates. For an adult in excellent 
+health, a shift from Medicaid to private coverage would increase per 
+capita spending by $675 (Figure 10). The results for children are 
+generally similar, but less dramatic because the spending per person is 
+so much lower.
+
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+
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+
+    Medicaid's low per capita spending levels are due, in part, to 
+lower provider payment rates under Medicaid than in private insurance. 
+Inadequate payment rates have affected some providers' willingness to 
+participate in the Medicaid program and have impeded access to care. 
+But, as discussed below, this research indicates that utilization of 
+basic services among Medicaid beneficiaries is generally the same as or 
+higher than the utilization of these services by the low-income 
+privately insured.
+
+Utilization of Services
+    When controlling for income, health and other characteristics, 
+adults in Medicaid appear no more or less likely than those with 
+private coverage to have a medical expense (i.e., use a service). Among 
+the adults who did have an expense, total spending was significantly 
+lower for those with Medicaid than for the privately insured, largely 
+reflecting Medicaid's lower provider payment rates. Unlike adults, 
+children with Medicaid were found to be more likely than their 
+privately insured peers to use a service. However, among children with 
+any expense, total expenditures were also lower for those covered by 
+Medicaid.
+
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+
+    Using simulation techniques, the predicted utilization of Medicaid 
+adults shifted to private insurance is not significantly different from 
+their actual utilization under Medicaid (Figure 11). However, the 
+findings for children are different--children in Medicaid have more 
+doctor and office visits under Medicaid than they would be expected to 
+have if their utilization followed private insurance patterns (Figure 
+11). This may reflect Medicaid's emphasis on well-child care, and the 
+deterrent effect on utilization of the much higher cost-sharing 
+requirements of many private plans.
+    It should be noted that while utilization of broad categories of 
+service was examined, possible differences in the detailed content of 
+the care (e.g., specialist services, surgical procedures, diagnostic 
+tests, and so forth.) between the Medicaid and privately insured low-
+income populations were not analyzed.
+
+Discussion
+    When the poorer health status of Medicaid beneficiaries is taken 
+into account, Medicaid provides coverage at a lower per capita cost 
+than private insurance. The study findings highlight the distinctive 
+profile of the Medicaid population, compared with other low-income 
+people, and the special role that Medicaid plays as an insurer. Neither 
+higher utilization in Medicaid nor the program's more comprehensive 
+benefit structure are key factors driving Medicaid spending.
+    The results of this research suggest that using public funds to 
+purchase private coverage would cost considerably more than building on 
+Medicaid. However, any reform based on a broad expansion of Medicaid 
+would need to address the low provider payment rates long associated 
+with the program. Additionally, the prospect of much higher out-of-
+pocket costs for the Medicaid population if they were moved to private 
+coverage could limit their access to needed care, particularly 
+considering their poverty and extensive health care needs.
+    As policymakers evaluate Medicaid's performance as an insurer for 
+low-income non-elderly adults and children, and private-market coverage 
+as a potential alternative, these key study findings and implications 
+warrant consideration:
+
+      The high per capita spending associated with non-elderly 
+adults and children with Medicaid, as compared with the privately 
+insured low-income population, is due to the much poorer health of 
+those with Medicaid. The Medicaid population differs significantly from 
+the privately insured low-income population. Comparisons between the 
+two groups need to account for their different income and health 
+profiles. Medicaid plays a critical role in our health insurance system 
+as the source of coverage for many of the sickest and poorest 
+Americans, whom private insurance does not reach.
+      Out-of-pocket spending for the low-income privately 
+insured is six to seven times greater than that faced by low-income 
+Medicaid beneficiaries. These much higher out-of-pocket costs would 
+represent a heavier financial burden for the much sicker and mostly 
+poor population in Medicaid. If Medicaid beneficiaries were moved into 
+private coverage without the financial protection of ``wrap around'' or 
+supplemental coverage, access to care could be diminished for those 
+most in need.
+      Medicaid's comprehensive coverage of dental care and 
+other optional services accounts for less than 10 percent of per capita 
+spending for individuals with Medicaid; per capita spending for these 
+services is higher for individuals with private coverage.
+      Lower per capita spending in Medicaid (adjusted for 
+differences in health status) reflects, in part, Medicaid's lower 
+provider payment rates, raising concerns about access to care in the 
+program. Although this study indicates that expected utilization of 
+basic services by Medicaid beneficiaries is comparable to what would be 
+expected for the privately insured, further analysis is needed to 
+examine whether less access to medical specialists, advanced diagnostic 
+and therapeutic procedures, and high cost drugs contribute to 
+Medicaid's lower costs.
+      Moving those who are now on Medicaid into private 
+coverage could significantly increase health care spending and might 
+not improve access if cost-sharing proved to be a barrier. Better 
+access to specialty care or better quality of care through market-based 
+coverage would need to be balanced against budget concerns, and against 
+the risk that higher cost-sharing might diminish access to care and 
+increase financial hardship for very low-income people.
+
+    This brief was prepared by Julia Paradise and David Rousseau of the 
+Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured and is based on 
+research conducted for the Commission by Jack Hadley and John Holahan 
+of the Urban Institute. For more details on this research see Jack 
+Hadley and John Holahan, ``Is Health Care Spending Higher Under 
+Medicaid or Private Insurance?'' Inquiry, Vol. 40, No. 4, Winter 2003/
+2004.''
+
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+
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+
+    Mr. STARK. Dr. Nichols, which way would you go to handle 
+this group?
+    Mr. NICHOLS. Well, sir, I would want us to remember that 
+the picture here is quite diverse even among the lower income 
+uninsured. Some work for firms that actually do offer now, and 
+they feel like they can't afford it. So, you might think about 
+low-hanging fruit, including subsidies to people to pay their 
+employees' share. That will end up being expensive because a 
+lot of low-income workers who are offered today do take.
+    So, you have got this diversity problem which will lead to 
+an equity problem. So, in some ways it really does depend, sir, 
+on how much you want to spend. If you want to pay for equity, 
+that is expensive. If you want to target the money just for 
+those who are currently uninsured, then you might think, well, 
+the best thing to do would be to focus on those who don't have 
+employer offers, who don't have any other alternative. Like 
+Diane said, you might insure them efficiently through Medicaid, 
+but you might also give them tax credits; you might also give 
+them access to maybe let them buy into the State employee plan. 
+That is a big umbrella plan; it ends up being--it is like FEHBP 
+on the State level. It ends up being an avenue that you can 
+enroll people in every county; it ends up being a way you can 
+guarantee choice.
+    So, I would submit, it depends--you have got to tell me a 
+little bit more about which way--what your values are, what 
+your choices are. Tell me that, and I can design a system. I 
+would say at this point, do something, because we are looking 
+at 40-something million. I would submit, if there is one thing 
+I could say today that would be my main point on all of, it is 
+we are now in a dynamic system where health care costs are 
+growing faster than wages, and they have for 30 years. No 
+matter what we do, that seems to be the reality and what that 
+means at a personal level is that an increasing fraction of our 
+workforce cannot afford health care as we know it. Thus, if we 
+don't intervene---
+    Mr. STARK. Let me toss this in. Just think about it, and 
+send me a letter if you are concerned. Half of--more than half 
+of personal individual bankruptcies are related to medical 
+expenses, but 80 percent of those people filing had health 
+insurance. Now, what does that tell you? Does it begin to tell 
+you that the health coverage or quality of their insurance is 
+inadequate, or they wouldn't be going bankrupt? Generally they 
+can't get the check and spend it on a new car and not give it 
+to the insurance. Most of the health insurance goes right to 
+the provider. So, the bankruptcy has got to be for the extra 
+charges that the insurance didn't cover.
+    So, again, that is something--it is one of those little 
+factoids that troubles me when we are dealing with--we are 
+saying, well, we can't--Holtz-Eakin said we don't know. What is 
+insurance? It sure wasn't good enough for the people who went 
+bankrupt who had insurance. Let me just--one more question, if 
+I may, Madam Chairwoman, to Dr. Melnick. Maybe you know her, 
+maybe you don't, but missing, at least conspicuous to me but 
+not to most people, from your testimony and your charts was 
+Maryland, where I suspect your problems are all solved.
+    Mr. MELNICK. You have a good eye.
+    Mr. STARK. I happen to be a fan of the all-payer system, 
+and all of your testimony wouldn't apply in Maryland, would it?
+    Mr. MELNICK. To tell you the truth, I didn't know it was 
+missing, so I am not sure.
+    Mr. STARK. Maryland has a State-set all-payer system. So, 
+between cost, they charge everybody the same.
+    Mr. MELNICK. Right.
+    Mr. STARK. So, there is no pricing strategy there because 
+the prices are set. They can't offer every person who walks 
+into any particular hospital pays the same rate no matter how 
+they are insured. That would solve your problem, wouldn't it?
+    Mr. MELNICK. That would solve this problem.
+    Mr. STARK. Thank you. Thank you.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. Mr. Camp.
+    Mr. CAMP. I thank the Chairman. I want to thank all the 
+panelists for your testimony today. I think it has been very 
+helpful. What I take away from what you have been saying is 
+that the uninsured are a diverse population that is constantly 
+changing as some lose coverage and some gain coverage. That may 
+mean that different solutions might be required depending on 
+the group of people that we are trying to help.
+    It seems that estimates of the number of uninsured vary 
+depending on what timeframe is used. Dr. Rowland, you testified 
+that there were 43 million uninsured in 2002, and you gave some 
+of their characteristics in your testimony. We have heard from 
+CBO and others that obviously that timeframe is important when 
+you look at this number of uninsured, and that there are more 
+uninsured if you consider people who lacked coverage at a 
+particular time. I think you stated that 43 million are 
+uninsured, which is similar to CBO's number of those uninsured 
+at particular times.
+    So, are your conclusions based on that same premise, that 
+those are people who are uninsured at a particular time? If 
+not, would those conclusions differ? Or would that change your 
+analysis; if you considered the uninsured for an extended 
+period of time, would you come up with a different number of 
+uninsured people?
+    Ms. ROWLAND. I certainly agree with the analysis that CBO 
+presented to you. We tend to use the snapshot of the uninsured 
+that comes from the current population survey so that we can 
+measure how that snapshot changes from year to year. That is 
+where the 43 million comes from, from the latest numbers for 
+2002. If you look at people who have a bout of uninsurance 
+during the course of the year, that would increase that number 
+much higher.
+    One of the other surveys that we have worked with, the 
+National Survey of American Families conducted by the Urban 
+Institute, showed, for example, in 2002 that there were some 49 
+million people who were uninsured at some point during a 12-
+month period, and that of those, half, or 26 million, were 
+uninsured for the whole 12 months. I think what really is 
+important here is that there are lots of people who move in and 
+out of coverage when they are between jobs, when they are young 
+and move off of their family's health insurance policy, or when 
+they are on Medicaid and their income changes and they lose 
+coverage.
+    I think what really is important in looking at solutions is 
+that we have to look at that short-term set of people with 
+perhaps a different set of solutions than the very hardcore, 
+long-term uninsured. That group remains primarily a very low-
+income population and one which tends to have bouts of 
+uninsurance that are 12 months or longer. So, the chronically 
+uninsured, I think, is a different problem than those who are 
+between jobs or certainly family situations.
+    Mr. CAMP. So, that your analysis of those for an extended 
+period of time, more than a year, is similar, falls into the 
+same range as CBO?
+    Ms. ROWLAND. Right.
+    Mr. CAMP. I appreciate that.
+    Dr. Melnick, you mentioned that the uninsured paid more, 
+and they are more likely to pay above the list price. It does 
+seem to me that lack of transparency is a real problem, because 
+it is hard to find out what something costs around the country. 
+You make a series of recommendations. What do you think is the 
+most significant thing we could do with regard to that?
+    Mr. MELNICK. Well, I think we need to shine a light on the 
+policies and procedures at the hospital level. We need 
+hospitals to, first of all, look at what they are doing. A lot 
+of hospitals, because it is kind of an artifact of their main 
+line of business, which is insure patients, this problem has 
+emerged--a lot of them may not even know that they are imposing 
+a hardship on uninsured self-pay patients. They get the bills, 
+they send the bills out, and then they turn it over to 
+collections. So, a lot of hospitals may not know and plus, they 
+pay the collection agency anywhere from 20 to 80 percent of the 
+revenue that the collection agency collects. So, a lot of 
+hospitals may not even know the hardship they are imposing on 
+their patients. So, I think the first thing I would do is shine 
+a light on this, force hospitals to look at it; publish their 
+policies and procedures; make it clear to patients that when 
+they get this giant bill in the mail, they are not responsible 
+for that. There is a procedure to go through to get a discount.
+    Mr. CAMP. Thank you.
+    Dr. Nichols, I know my time is almost expired, but I 
+realize we are dealing with a diverse group of people in terms 
+of the uninsured. What is the one thing that we could do to 
+help the uninsured? I realize that is a varied group, but what 
+is the one thing that Congress might be able to do that you 
+think would be most helpful?
+    Mr. NICHOLS. Well, it seems to me that the evidence is most 
+clear on the low-income population being the target and would 
+most benefit from some kind of health insurance, and their 
+health status would be improved the most. We cover today about 
+half of the population below poverty in various ways, mostly 
+through Medicaid and about 10 or 12 percent or so through 
+employer-sponsored coverage. I would submit, commit yourselves 
+to making sure that all of the people who are below poverty are 
+covered somehow. There are lots of different subsidy mechanisms 
+that could get us there, but that would be a goal you should 
+set, because you know you would do good.
+    Mr. CAMP. Thank you.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. Thank you. Mr. McDermott.
+    Mr. MCDERMOTT. Thank you, Madam Chairman.
+    I don't know quite what to ask you, because I have sat here 
+for years and years and years and heard the same stuff go round 
+and round and round. People ask, well, what little thing could 
+we do here; one little thing we can do there? It is pretty 
+obvious nobody wants to have a universal system, so we are 
+going to continue to tinker with it.
+    I noted, Mr. Scandlen, you didn't like what State 
+legislators did. You kind of gave a kind of an off-hand slap to 
+the fact that legislators insure things that don't get covered 
+by insurance companies, like Dr. Melnick. I think the States 
+are really hamstrung in this whole business and what is 
+fascinating about the two proposals that are floating around 
+here, this Association Health Plan (AHP) business and HSAs, the 
+AHP is deliberately set up to get rid of that problem with 
+State legislatures, just knock them out of the box. Knock them 
+out, knock out insurance commissioners, and leave the insurance 
+industry with no regulation at all except a two-man operation 
+over at the Department of Labor.
+    Now, I can't see any evidence from any--either of those 
+proposals, either the AHP which allows small businesses to get 
+together--they can do that now. They could do it before this 
+bill passed. They have been--they have had that open to them 
+for a long time. Didn't reduce costs anywhere, it didn't get 
+any more people covered. Now we have HSAs and the idea that you 
+would have $5,000 to put into an account that you could start 
+drawing out over the year for anybody making less than $40,000 
+a year sounds like pretty much pie in the sky. I would like to 
+hear from either Dr. Rowland or Dr. Nichols. Do you think 
+either of those proposals will significantly improve the number 
+of covered people in this country, reduce the number of covered 
+people in this country?
+    Mr. NICHOLS. Well, sir, I actually testified on AHPs a year 
+ago before the Senate Small Business Committee, and I think it 
+is fair to say that there is a lot of passion on this issue and 
+relatively little light. I will tell you what I believe. I 
+believe that benefit mandates are real. They do add to costs. 
+They don't add as much to costs as the advocates of AHPs 
+believe.
+    If you look at the study done by the Department of 
+Insurance in the State of Texas, which is not known to be a 
+left-wing bastion, they concluded that their benefit mandates, 
+which include inpatient mental, which, as you know, is one of 
+the more expensive--the full month thing for alcohol and 
+substance abuse. They concluded their benefit mandates added 
+about 3 percent to the premium. Now, 3 percent is no small 
+number when you are talking about premiums that are $9,000, 
+$10,000. I don't want to imply it is trivial and if you are a 
+small business on the cusp. That can make a difference, but 
+that is not the kind of belief that I think a lot of people who 
+advocate AHPs hold.
+    So, I think there is kind of a search, if you will, with 
+all due respect, for fool's gold there. They are looking for 
+savings that aren't really there, because at the end of the day 
+they are going to have to pay the same costs everybody else 
+does. What is driving cost is technology.
+    Mr. MCDERMOTT. It is the waste, fraud, and abuse sort of 
+argument. That is what they are looking for.
+    Mr. NICHOLS. Well, sir, I believe that they are sincere. In 
+some cases I think they do think that it is that nasty 
+insurance company middleman that somehow thinks there are costs 
+there to be taken that are not.
+    Mr. MCDERMOTT. Well, but when a State legislature requires 
+that supplies for the diabetic patient be paid for, the number 
+one chronic disease in the United States, the hospitalization 
+costs, all the problems that come, all the disability costs 
+that come out of uncontrolled diabetes, do you think that that 
+is a wasteful effort on the part of the State legislature?
+    Mr. NICHOLS. No. I believe a number of studies have found 
+that even if you didn't have specific things mandated, as you 
+know, most physicians who are going to try to get their 
+patients the right care, which is true everywhere, are going to 
+find a way to make what is needed covered. So, that is part of 
+the reason, by the way, the benefit mandates studies don't find 
+all that much of a cost increase, because the reality is they 
+are getting that stuff anyway, and they are going to get it. 
+What you don't get if you don't have mandates are things like 
+in-vitro fertilization and in some cases maternity care, which 
+is not sold in the nongroup market as a matter of course.
+    Ms. ROWLAND. I would also point out that while we have 
+talked about the diversity in uninsured, the diversity of small 
+businesses in America is also something that you have to take 
+into account. The majority of the small businesses that don't 
+offer health insurance coverage tend to have a very low-wage 
+work force where I think some of these efforts would be far 
+less effective than in areas where the work force has a higher 
+income. We have begun to start doing some modeling of the HSAs 
+to see what the take-up rate might be and hope to have those 
+results in a few weeks.
+    Mr. MCDERMOTT. I would like to see them when you have them 
+done. Thank you, Madam Chair.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. I hope you will also model the HSAs, 
+because the----
+    Ms. ROWLAND. Actually, it is the HSAs that we are modeling.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. The other proposals do get small business 
+out from under State mandates the very way big business is out 
+from under State mandates. The fact that big business offers 
+roughly the same spectrum of benefits indicates that mandates 
+aren't the key difference. On the other hand, all the little 
+different mandates in high-mandate States do mean that you have 
+to insure to a higher standard. In Connecticut, which is a 
+high-mandate State, I am being told over and over again we 
+could cut premiums 10 percent if we could choose of the 
+mandates the basic ones that everybody offers.
+    So, while we don't know exactly what it will cost, the idea 
+that I am bound by what the legislature does--and the 
+legislature is going to do what is politically useful--is a 
+problem. Then don't underestimate the power of bargaining. The 
+big difference between these associated health plans or the 
+HSAs is that you are going to have an employer group bargaining 
+price, and your charts say loud and clear what a big difference 
+that makes.
+    So, as you look at HSAs, one of the things about HSAs that 
+could make a huge difference is employer creativity and being 
+able to add more in a good year and less in a poor year so that 
+they are not obliged. With a rollover capability, they can even 
+have some variation of benefit depending on catastrophic 
+problems or big health problems.
+    So, there are a lot of permutations of HSAs. People will 
+have a lot more control over what they look like, both the 
+employees and the employers. So, it is hard to model, but I 
+think we do need to think about it. What I want to ask you is 
+do we know anything at all about how many of the--what 
+percentage of the uninsured have a health problem during their 
+spell of uninsurance by group; the under 4 months, 4 months to 
+12? Obviously, people who are uninsured for 12 months, of 
+course, will access the system.
+    Mr. MELNICK. The Institute of Medicine study reported 
+statistics of 62 percent of the uninsured use health services 
+while they are uninsured, about 1 in 30 use inpatient care, and 
+about 1 in 15 use the emergency room, and a higher percent use 
+physician services as well.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. This includes the long-term uninsured as 
+well?
+    Mr. MELNICK. Correct.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. Do we have any breakdown?
+    Mr. MELNICK. I can get you that.
+    Chairman JOHNSON. If you will get that to me, I would be 
+interested in that.
+    [The information follows:]
+
+Health Services Utilization and Spending by the Uninsured
+    The uninsured, while they use fewer services than the uninsured, 
+still use health services during periods without health insurance 
+coverage. Several researchers 1,}2 have utilized the Medical 
+Expenditure Panel Survey (MEPS) to study and compare utilization 
+patterns for the uninsured and insured populations. Provided below are 
+three tables based on 1996 data from this prior research to provide a 
+picture of utilization and spending patterns of the uninsured (for 
+different time periods) compared to the insured.
+
+Probability of Using Health Services
+    Table 1 presents data comparing the probability of using different 
+kinds of health services depending on whether an individual is insured 
+or uninsured for a full year. In general, the insured have a higher 
+probability of using all health services, except for hospital emergency 
+care. A number of other key findings include:
+    For under-65 population, 89% of the people who were privately 
+insured for the full year in 1996 used at least one health service, 
+compared to 62% of the people who were uninsured for the full year in 
+1996.
+    4.6% of privately insured population used inpatient hospital 
+services compared to 2.9% of the uninsured.
+    The percentage of privately insured population was more than double 
+compared to the percent of uninsured population using services such as 
+Outpatient hospital (13.4% vs. 6.2%) and Dental (53.1% vs. 20.4%).
+    A larger portion of privately insured population used preventive 
+care services compared to the uninsured.
+
+Total Spending and Out of Pocket Spending
+    Table 2 presents data on total spending from all sources on behalf 
+of the insured and uninsured and out of pocket spending by the insured 
+and uninsured. The estimates of per capita medical care spending are 
+for the under-65 population and include estimates of the uninsured for 
+an entire year or part of a year. A number of key findings include:
+    Total per-capita spending for the uninsured (for the entire year) 
+was about $923 per person compared to $2,484 per person for privately 
+insured and $2,435 per person for publicly insured.
+    Total per capita spending on behalf of the uninsured (for the 
+entire year) was substantially below the insured population--about 38% 
+of the total spending by an insured person.
+    For the uninsured population (including those uninsured for the 
+entire year or part of the year), total per-capita spending on medical 
+was about $1,335 per person
+    This represents about 54% of total per-capita spending compared to 
+an insured person.
+    Average per capita out-of-pocket spending for an uninsured (for a 
+full year) person was $426 compared to $402 for a privately insured for 
+the entire year.
+    Out of pocket spending by the uninsured was not substantially 
+different from the insured population in 1996.
+
+Financial Burden
+    A final measure of the effects of being uninsured is the financial 
+burden of out-of-pocket spending on uninsured families. Table 3 
+presents estimates of the percent of privately insured and uninsured 
+families that spent greater than 20% of their annual income on health 
+care in 1996. A number of key findings include:
+    Overall, about 4% of the uninsured families and about 1.1% of the 
+privately insured families spent greater than 20% of their family 
+annual income on health care.
+    For poor families (income less than or equal to Federal poverty 
+line), and for low income families (125-200 percent for Federal poverty 
+line), a greater portion of the privately insured families spent more 
+than 20% of their annual income compared to those that were uninsured.
+References
+    \1\ Taylor, Amy K., Joel W. Cohen, and Steven R. Machlin. 2001. 
+Being Uninsured in 1996 Compared to 1987: How Has the Experience of the 
+Uninsured Changed Over Time? Health Services Research 36(6, Pt. II): 
+16-31.
+    \2\ Hadley, Jack and John Holahan. 2003a. How Much Medical Care Do 
+the Uninsured Use and Who Pays for It? Health Affairs Web Exclusive 
+(1): W66-W81
+
+Tables
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+
+    Chairman JOHNSON. Then the other thing that does continue 
+to frustrate me, How much do you know about--there is money in 
+the system now for the uninsured, and you have talked about 
+Medicaid money and SCHIP money. States are cutting back on 
+Medicaid, in case you didn't notice. The Federal government's 
+budget is stressed. I believe budgets are going to be stressed 
+at both the local and the State level, no matter which party is 
+in power, for at least a decade, if not for 20 years. So, I am 
+not optimistic about solving this through annually appropriated 
+programs.
+    I am interested that the President put 70 billion dollars 
+in over 10, even in this year's budget for the uninsured. So, 
+there is some money allocated to this. In none of this 
+conversation--this is exactly the same hearing we had 2 years 
+ago, and yet this Administration has committed itself to and is 
+methodically doubling the number of community health centers, 
+and they expect that next year, with the additional allocation 
+they are putting in, that they will be providing total coverage 
+for 15 million uninsured and underserved individuals. About 7 
+million of these are in rural areas.
+    We need to know what is happening as these expand. Who is 
+being served? Are they Medicaid people? Are they SCHIP people? 
+Are they uninsured? Are they underinsured? Not to know that 
+does really weaken our ability to move forward. There are so 
+many urban areas in which there are outstanding multiservice 
+clinics, and they do mental health, and they do dental. So, why 
+is it we have completely neglected in our study of the 
+uninsured who is going there?
+    Now, what do we know about disproportionate share hospital 
+(DSH) payments? How effective are DSH payments? Are they just 
+actually covering overhead for some of these people that you 
+charge who it turns out are paying more than any average bloke, 
+more than any other payer? So, what do we know about DSH money? 
+It is big, and we give it to a hospital in ways unrelated to 
+the burden they carry. So, what do we know about that money? 
+What do we know about indirect medical education money and its 
+relationship to uninsured?
+    So, I hope that, given your resources, you will help us 
+narrow this problem beyond the kind of definition we have given 
+it today, because the debates to this point have covered 
+exactly the kinds of things we have talked about today. Clinton 
+laid down the challenge to the Congress to provide universal 
+health care to all Americans. There was a bipartisan bill, 
+Rowland and Michel, that met that challenge and had a majority 
+vote, and that is why it was not allowed to come to the floor 
+of the House. It covered everybody. That last segment it 
+covered through means tested premiums so everyone would have 
+access, but it did a number of other things.
+    So, it isn't that we haven't thought about this a lot at 
+the Federal level. We have. It is hard, because nobody 
+understands the interactions of what happens at the end if we 
+subsidize premiums. I have been amazed at how many small 
+companies I represent, small manufacturers, where the employee 
+pays 50 percent of the premium. That is tough. So, we need to 
+be thinking more clearly about how do we reach and how do we do 
+it in an affordable way, and how do we do it to encourage 
+modest use of our resources.
+    I am surprised that you haven't talked more about consumer 
+involvement. One of the things that is dramatic about disease 
+management--and I want to commend the Administration right here 
+and now for offering to pay half the cost of implementing 
+disease management programs in Medicaid because they pay back 
+so fast. It will be budget neutral for the States in a year or 
+two. It is just astounding for people with chronic illness. We 
+need to think about this problem: Who is it that is uncovered 
+that needs help, where do they live, who could they go to? Do 
+we need a combination of community health center expansion and 
+special payments for physicians in rural areas who just take 
+all the people who are uncovered?
+    We need to think more specifically about the nature of this 
+problem. I appreciate your input. It has been very good. It has 
+been broad, and it has brought back to the table the basic 
+research and state of knowledge about this issue in America. It 
+isn't exactly the information that can drive specific 
+solutions. If we are going to do specific solutions, we need to 
+think about the next step. I hope to have your help in doing 
+that. Thank you very much for being here. The hearing is 
+adjourned.
+    [Whereupon, at 4:00 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.]
+    [Submissions for the record follow:]
+
+                          Statement of AdvaMed
+
+    AdvaMed is pleased to provide this testimony on behalf of our 
+member companies and the patients and health care systems we serve 
+around the world. AdvaMed is the largest medical technology trade 
+association in the world, representing more than 1100 medical device, 
+diagnostic products, and health information systems manufacturers of 
+all sizes. AdvaMed member firms provide nearly 90 percent of the $71 
+billion of health care technology products purchased annually in the 
+U.S. and nearly 50 percent of the $169 billion purchased annually 
+around the world.
+    AdvaMed shares the concerns of the Members of Congress, the 
+Administration and millions of working Americans about the number of 
+people in our country lacking access to affordable health insurance 
+today. Our nation enjoys the best health care system in the world, and 
+everyone should have full access to it. While today's market-based 
+system provides insurance coverage to the majority of Americans, and 
+along with it access to most of the latest, breakthrough technologies, 
+some 43 million Americans are currently uninsured.
+The Benefits of Access to Health Care Insurance and Advanced Treatment
+    In addition to the personal benefits to securing individual 
+insurance, there are also larger benefits to the health care system and 
+society for reducing the number of uninsured. An Institute of Medicine 
+(IOM) report published in June 2003 estimated that the benefits from 
+health years of life gained by providing continuous insurance coverage 
+are greater than the social costs of providing it. Specifically, the 
+report estimated the potential economic value from better health 
+outcomes from uninterrupted coverage is between $65 and $130 billion 
+each year.
+    A paper published by David Cutler and now FDA Commissioner Mark 
+McClellan in the Sept/Oct 2001 Health Affairs noted the net benefits of 
+new technology for several conditions, including cataracts, depression 
+and heart attacks. A review of the findings estimates that more than 
+$1.1 billion is lost annually from lack of access to new technologies 
+for treatment of the three specific conditions--an annual loss of 
+around $350 in excess morbidity and mortality per uninsured person in 
+the age group studied.
+
+Incentives to Help Make Insurance Coverage More Affordable
+    To bridge the current gaps in insurance coverage, AdvaMed has 
+consistently supported maintaining tax incentives to encourage 
+companies to offer health benefits to their employees--including 
+refundable tax credits similar to Trade Adjustment Assistance (TAA)--as 
+well as expanding tax incentives to allow individuals to more 
+affordably purchase coverage. As supporters of market-based health care 
+and competition, AdvaMed also believes consumers should have a wide 
+choice of health plans and coverage options that allow them to select 
+those that best fit their needs.
+    To expand the number of choices available, AdvaMed supports the 
+creation of Individual Membership Associations or Association Health 
+Plans to allow groups to leverage size for more affordable health 
+options, as well as the expansion of Health Savings Accounts, which 
+have already helped address the insurance needs of a select group of 
+previously uninsured Americans. To address the many problems facing 
+individuals with uninsurable medical conditions, AdvaMed also supports 
+efforts to encourage states to offer ``risk pools'' that help them 
+access insurance that will meet their complex and costly health care 
+needs.
+
+Innovation Also Helps Reduce Health Care Costs and Makes Coverage More 
+        Affordable
+    America is undergoing a revolution in medical technology. Through 
+advances in technology we can detect diseases earlier when they are 
+easier and less costly to treat, provide more effective and less 
+invasive treatment options, reduce recovery times and enable people to 
+return to work much more quickly. Medical technology has advanced to 
+the point where it is fundamentally transforming our health care system 
+in ways that improve quality and reduce costs. For example:
+
+      Three types of laparoscopic surgery have generated 
+approximately $1.9 billion annually in increased productivity by 
+enabling people to return to work more quickly, according to a study by 
+DRI-McGraw Hill.
+      Angioplasty and other minimally invasive heart 
+procedures, for example, have greatly reduced the need for riskier, 
+more expensive heart bypass procedures. An angioplasty procedure costs 
+$20,960 on average, compared to $49,160 for open-heart surgery. 
+Surgeons can complete an angioplasty procedure in 90 minutes compared 
+to 2-4 hours for open bypass surgery. Patients can leave the hospital 
+in one day instead of 5-6 days, and recovery only takes one week rather 
+than 4-6 weeks for bypass.
+      Total knee replacement produces an average one-time 
+health care cost savings of $50,000 per patient; a savings of $11.5 
+billion in 1994 alone, according to the American Academy of Orthopedic 
+Surgeon (AAOS).
+
+    An article in the Washington Post highlights another of the many 
+advances transforming health care delivery: a health care information 
+system that alerts doctors at Brigham and Women's hospital to 
+potentially dangerous medical decisions. The system has cut the 
+medication error rate at Brigham by 86% compared to 10 years ago.
+    Information systems like these can dramatically improve the safety 
+and efficiency of health care delivery and help reduce health care 
+costs. Automation in the insurance industry alone could save an 
+estimated $20 billion. That is why both the President's Information 
+Technology Advisory Committee and the Institute of Medicine report on 
+health care quality have stressed the need for a new health information 
+infrastructure.
+    Steady declines in mortality rates, medical procedure times, 
+hospital stays and patient recovery times all illustrate the emergence 
+of the New Health Economy. Gains in workforce productivity and 
+accelerating declines in disability rates point to this shift as well.
+    In order to reap these benefits, advanced medical technologies must 
+be rapidly assimilated into the health care system. The Institute of 
+Medicine's report, ``Crossing the Quality Chasm,'' underscored this 
+point, stating: ``Narrowing the quality chasm will make it possible to 
+bring the benefits of medical science and technology to all Americans 
+in every community--and this in turn will mean less pain and suffering, 
+less disability, greater longevity, and a more productive workforce.''
+Conclusion
+    Again, AdvaMed applauds Congress for addressing the many needs of 
+the uninsured in America. We look forward to working with the Congress 
+and the Administration on efforts to help increase access to affordable 
+coverage, as well as improve the quality, efficiency and cost 
+effectiveness of the health care system through innovative medical 
+technology.
+
+                                 
+
+ Statement of Catherine M. Murphy-Barron, American Academy of Actuaries
+
+    The American Academy of Actuaries' Uninsured Work Group appreciates 
+the opportunity to provide comments on issues concerning Americans 
+without health insurance. The Academy is the non-partisan public policy 
+organization for actuaries of all specialties in the United States.
+    The U.S. Census Bureau estimates that more than 43 million non-
+elderly Americans did not have health insurance in 2002, an increase of 
+more than 2 million from 2001. A solution to the uninsured problem has 
+so far been elusive, but the issue is again moving to center stage. The 
+actuarial profession has extensive experience designing, pricing, and 
+managing health insurance coverage for individuals, employers, and 
+public programs, including Medicare and Medicaid. As the actuarial 
+profession's voice on public policy issues, the American Academy of 
+Actuaries has many insights that may benefit members of Congress as 
+they design proposals to provide health coverage to the uninsured.
+    This document identifies many, but not all, of the myriad issues 
+that should be considered when designing and evaluating proposals to 
+expand health insurance coverage. Addressing these and other issues 
+should help minimize any unintended consequences and increase the 
+chances for success of any such proposal. This document does not cover 
+implementation or administration, both of which will be critical to the 
+success of any new initiative. Rather, in the sections that follow, we 
+identify issues related to: the target population(s); the benefit 
+packages; the costs to individuals, employers, and states; the impact 
+on the health insurance market; the impact on regulation; and the 
+impact on overall health costs.
+Who Is the Target Population?
+
+    The uninsured population is not a homogeneous group. It includes, 
+among others, low-income workers who do not have access to or cannot 
+afford employer-sponsored coverage, early retirees not yet eligible for 
+Medicare, adults who do not feel that insurance is a good way to spend 
+their money (these people are often young, but not always), individuals 
+ineligible for or unaware that they are eligible for public programs, 
+and unhealthy individuals who cannot obtain insurance at any price.\1\ 
+A proposal could use a single approach to increase coverage among the 
+uninsured, or it could use different strategies for different segments 
+of the uninsured.
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+    \1\ For more information on who the uninsured are, see the American 
+Academy of Actuaries issue brief Health Coverage Issues: The Uninsured 
+and the Insured, which is available on the web at http://
+www.actuary.org/pdf/health/uninsured_0903.pdf.
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+Who is the target population?
+      What uninsured population subgroup(s) does the proposal 
+target?
+      How well does the proposal target the intended group(s)? 
+
+What is the expected participation among the intended group(s)?
+      Will other groups also participate? If so, are they 
+currently insured or uninsured?
+      How will the eligible population be contacted and 
+enrolled?
+
+What are the conditions of eligibility?
+    A proposal may offer direct insurance coverage through a public 
+program such as Medicaid, a premium subsidy for use in the private 
+insurance market, or some other approach.
+      Under what conditions does an individual or family member 
+become eligible for coverage or premium subsidy under the proposal?
+      Is there a requirement to be uninsured for a certain 
+period in order to be eligible for coverage?
+      How long will an individual or family member be eligible?
+      Is the proposed coverage meant to be permanent or 
+transitional? For example, is eligibility tied to being unemployed? Is 
+eligibility tied to ineligibility for other private coverage, 
+regardless of cost?
+      If the proposal relies on public program expansions, how 
+will the eligibility rules differ by state?
+      If the proposal relies on private coverage expansions, 
+will plans be widely available, regardless of state or rural/urban 
+location?
+
+What are the conditions of issue and is coverage portable?
+      The Federal Health Insurance Portability and 
+Accessibility Act (HIPAA) provided Americans with increased access to 
+health insurance.
+      Will the coverage offered under the proposal change an 
+individual's HIPAA right to insurance without a pre-existing condition 
+exclusion?
+      Does the proposal contain open enrollment periods with 
+guaranteed issue?
+      What conditions, such as pre-existing condition 
+exclusions, waiting periods, etc. will apply to uninsured individuals 
+who wish to obtain coverage under the program?
+      Will those who are already insured but want to move into 
+the new program be subject to any pre-existing condition exclusions, 
+waiting periods, etc.?
+      If coverage eligibility is tied to certain requirements, 
+such as being unemployed, are there any portability opportunities so 
+coverage can be retained?
+
+What Is the Benefit Package?
+
+    The benefit package must be considered when evaluating proposals to 
+provide health insurance coverage for the uninsured. Most insurance 
+typically protects against catastrophic losses that occur with low 
+probability. Employer-provided health insurance, however, has usually 
+covered not only the expenses associated with high-severity, low-
+incidence health services, such as hospitalization, but also high-
+incidence, low-severity health services, such as office visits. One 
+recent trend has been to move toward higher deductibles, thus reducing 
+or eliminating coverage for more predictable health expenses. Another 
+trend has been for some states to allow ``bare bones'' policies, thus 
+avoiding state coverage mandates that can increase premium costs.
+
+What is the benefit design?
+      Does the proposal provide comprehensive coverage with 
+relatively low deductibles similar to traditional health insurance, or 
+does it provide benefits more closely associated with catastrophic 
+coverage?
+      Will coverage abide by state-mandated benefit 
+requirements or are ``bare bones'' policies allowed?
+      Is any required provider network adequate to meet the 
+health care needs of plan enrollees?
+      How flexible is the benefit package to advances in 
+medicine?
+      Does the benefit design include cost-sharing provisions 
+designed to encourage efficient use of health care?
+      Will the benefit design allow an individual to pre-fund 
+future insurance expenses (e.g., health reimbursement accounts)?
+
+What Are the Costs to Individuals/Families?
+
+    Many proposals to increase insurance coverage rely, at least in 
+part, on the private insurance market. To make coverage in this market 
+more affordable, proposals often provide subsidies that cover all or 
+part of an individual's insurance premiums.
+
+Are premium subsidies proposed?
+      What are the premium subsidy levels? Are they expressed 
+as a percentage of premiums or as a flat amount?
+      How do the subsidies vary by income or age? Do subsidies 
+vary by income levels of the individuals within a state, or nationwide?
+      Will they reflect state premium variations?
+      How will the subsidies be distributed?
+      Will they be provided in advance, as a refund of costs, 
+or both?
+      Where can individuals use their subsidies? Can they be 
+used toward only one coverage plan, or toward any appropriate coverage 
+the person may be eligible for?
+
+What are the net costs payable by individuals/families?
+      The cost of participating in an insurance plan includes 
+not only the premium, but also any cost-sharing requirements. On one 
+hand, high cost-sharing requirements will reduce premiums, all else 
+being equal. On the other hand, some individuals, especially those with 
+low incomes, may choose not to enroll in plans with high cost-sharing 
+requirements, even if the premium would otherwise be affordable.
+      What is the premium required, net of any subsidies?
+      What is the deductible and are there any other cost-
+sharing requirements? Are there any cost-sharing subsidies for low-
+income individuals/families? Is alternative care available at no, or 
+low, cost?
+      Is there an out-of-pocket maximum that limits the amount 
+of cost sharing?
+      Are there any lifetime or annual benefit maximums? Are 
+there any financial penalties imposed for not having coverage in place?
+
+Will insureds know the true costs of their health care?
+    Insurance shields most Americans from the true costs of their 
+health care. Workers who obtain insurance through their employer 
+typically pay only part of the premium, and may not know the total 
+premium costs, including the employer premium share. Perhaps even more 
+important, when receiving health care services, insured Americans 
+typically see only their out-of-pocket costs, not the total costs 
+billed or paid. Some data suggest that the lack of understanding 
+regarding the total costs of care provides insureds with incentives to 
+over utilize health services.
+
+      Will the proposal make insureds more aware of the total 
+costs of their health care?
+      Does the proposal include incentives intended to 
+encourage insureds to be more efficient users of health care services?
+
+What Is the Cost to Employers?
+
+    Although most insured Americans obtain their coverage through the 
+workplace, the majority of the uninsured are in working families. Some 
+employers, especially small employers, do not offer insurance. 
+Moreover, many employers who do offer and subsidize coverage are 
+responding to growing coverage costs by shifting more costs to workers 
+through increased premiums or cost sharing, thus making it more 
+expensive for workers. Many proposals aim to increase the share of 
+employers offering coverage as well as increase the affordability of 
+that coverage. Such proposals may include providing additional tax 
+subsidies to employers offering coverage, mandating that employers 
+offer coverage, providing reinsurance to employers to lower the costs 
+of coverage, and facilitating the formation of purchasing pools for 
+small employers. Whether such provisions would be successful at 
+increasing the availability of employer-sponsored coverage and, 
+ultimately, whether they will reduce the number of uninsured depends on 
+several issues:
+
+Are tax subsidies available to employers who sponsor coverage?
+    Currently, employers who offer insurance coverage are allowed to 
+deduct their premium contributions as a business expense.
+
+      Would any additional subsidies be available for employers 
+who offer coverage?
+      Would employers be required to pay a minimum share of the 
+premiums to qualify for the subsidies?
+      Would the subsidies apply to the costs for all workers, 
+or would they be limited to those with low incomes, or other targeted 
+populations?
+      What conditions, if any, are placed on the availability 
+of additional subsidies? For instance, are certain benefits required? 
+Are minimum enrollment targets included? Are employers required to pass 
+along any premium savings due to subsidies to the employees?
+
+Does the proposal include other provisions designed to make it easier 
+        for employers to offer coverage?
+      Does the proposal allow collective employer actions, such 
+as purchasing pools or association health plans (AHPs)? \2\
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+    \2\ For more information on AHPs, please refer to the Academy's 
+April 28, 2003 letter to Congress regarding the Small Business Fairness 
+Act of 2003 (H.R. 660 and S. 545), which is available on the Academy's 
+website at http://www.actuary.org/pdf/health/ahp_042803.pdf.
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+      Will reinsurance be made available to reimburse employer 
+plans for high-cost individuals?
+      Does the proposal include some form of coverage sharing 
+that would form a partnership among the employer, the government, and 
+the insured?
+      Note that the potential impact of some of these types of 
+provisions on the insurance market is discussed in the next section.
+
+What are the estimated net costs to employers and are they predictable 
+        over time?
+      What are the premium costs to an employer affected by the 
+proposal, net of any subsidies? Are they higher or lower than those 
+currently available?
+      What are the associated administrative costs? Are they 
+higher or lower than current administrative costs?
+      Are premium costs more predictable over time?
+      Are there any costs for employers who do not offer 
+coverage, or otherwise do not participate in the proposal?
+
+Are new subsidies available for insurance outside the employer group 
+        market?
+    Proposals that increase the availability or affordability of 
+insurance outside the employer group market could also impact whether 
+some employers continue to sponsor coverage, regardless of whether any 
+changes are made to the employer market. For instance, if subsidized 
+insurance is available in the individual market, some employers may be 
+less inclined to offer coverage to their workers.
+
+      Does the proposal increase the availability or 
+affordability of coverage outside the employer group market?
+      Could the proposal prompt some employers to discontinue 
+offering coverage for workers and/or their dependents? Is this 
+consistent with the long-term goals of the proposal?
+      Does the proposal include any incentives for employers to 
+continue offering coverage?
+      If workers can use individual tax credits to pay for 
+their share of employer-sponsored coverage premiums, will employers 
+shift more of the premium costs to workers?
+How Will the Proposal Impact the Health Insurance Market?
+
+How will the proposal affect the different private insurance market 
+        segments (small group, large group, and the individual market)?
+    There is not a single unified market for private health insurance. 
+The three main segments are: large (employer) group, small (employer) 
+group, and individual. There are major differences in the underwriting 
+and pricing of the coverage in these three markets. These differences 
+are due to competition, the regulatory environment (primarily state), 
+and to the fundamental purchasing decisions made in the different 
+markets.
+    Large-group insurance (generally over 50 employees) is driven more 
+by competition than by regulation, at least in the underwriting and 
+pricing functions. Insurers generally accept any employer and provide 
+coverage to any enrolled employee or family. Prices are set at the 
+group level and typically are based in whole or in part on the prior 
+and expected medical costs of the specific group. An average price is 
+charged for each employee and family unit, without variation for age, 
+gender, or health status. Larger employers often self-insure the 
+underwriting risk. State benefit and coverage mandates apply to the 
+insured groups but not to the self-insured groups due to exemption 
+under the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 (ERISA).
+    Small-group insurance (2 to 50 employees) is subject to 
+significantly more state regulation of the rating and underwriting 
+practices. All groups and eligible employees must be offered coverage 
+regardless of health status. Surcharges based on health status for 
+individual employees are not permitted. Premiums charged for each 
+employee may be either the average of the group or based on the age and 
+gender of the specific employee. Some states mandate community rating, 
+whereby an insurer is required to pool the medical cost experience of 
+all small groups in determining the expected average medical costs and 
+premiums. The average rates serve as the basis of the rates charged to 
+a specific employer. State variations often set limits on the maximum 
+or minimum difference from this average, and also on the percentage 
+rate increase an employer must pay in a given year due to experience. 
+For example, the minimum may be 75% of the average, the maximum may be 
+150%, and the rate increase limit is the increase in the average plus 
+15%.
+    The individual insurance market is tightly regulated. Rating 
+practices permitted by the states vary from community rating to full 
+age/gender rating with initial underwriting loads (extra premiums) 
+permitted. Many states permit individuals to be denied coverage due to 
+poor health, or to have specific pre-existing conditions excluded for 
+the life of the policy. Other states require that all applicants be 
+accepted and all conditions covered. In most states, renewal rate 
+change to reflect the change in an individual's health status is not 
+permitted. However, the rates for the entire pool, both new and renewal 
+business, may be increased to reflect the experience of the pool. A 
+sub-segment of the individual market is composed of those who are 
+guaranteed coverage regardless of health. In some states the entire 
+market is guaranteed issue. This guaranteed issue right comes under the 
+state group conversion regulations or under the federal HIPAA 
+portability provisions. Although coverage must be offered to these 
+individuals, the premium rates charged are typically higher than the 
+rates for underwritten individuals. The excess premium charges may or 
+may not be regulated by the state.
+
+      Does the proposal change the underwriting methodology 
+allowed in the different markets?
+      Does the proposal increase or decrease the risks to be 
+borne by any of the private market pools?
+      Does the proposal change any ERISA exemptions for 
+employers that self-insure coverage?
+      Does the proposal give flexibility to both the insured 
+and the insurer to provide products appropriate to the risk the insured 
+wants to cover?
+      Will the proposal allow insureds to move between markets?
+
+Will the proposal affect the risk composition of the insured 
+        population?
+    Different insurance expansions can affect the insured-risk 
+composition of the market differently. Proposals that remove the high-
+cost or otherwise uninsurable population from the individual and group 
+markets and put them into a high-risk pool will reduce the coverage 
+costs of the remaining population. The resultant lower premiums could 
+make insurance more affordable among some of the currently uninsured. 
+Similarly, if reinsurance is provided to insurers to cover the costs of 
+high-cost enrollees, premiums could be reduced. Note, however, that 
+such high-risk pools and reinsurance arrangements are mechanisms to 
+spread cost, not eliminate it, and will reduce premiums only to the 
+extent they are financed by a population broader than the privately 
+insured population.
+    On the other hand, if healthy individuals are more likely to drop 
+one type of coverage for another, premiums for those remaining with the 
+original coverage will increase. Some may find the higher premiums 
+unaffordable, and drop coverage as a result. Insurance plans that are 
+left with a disproportionate share of unhealthy individuals are much 
+less likely to be viable in the long term, which could ultimately 
+result in more uninsured individuals if those dropping coverage are 
+unable to find more affordable coverage elsewhere.
+
+      Does the proposal include high-risk pools, and if so, how 
+are they financed?
+      Does the proposal provide reinsurance to cover the costs 
+of high-cost enrollees, and if so, how is it financed?
+      Other than into high-risk pools, will the proposal result 
+in healthier individuals opting for one type of plan and unhealthy 
+individuals opting for another? If so, is this the desired result?
+
+Is adverse selection manageable?
+    Sustaining a viable private health plan typically requires 
+minimizing adverse selection, which occurs when relatively fewer 
+healthy individuals enroll in a plan. However, this adverse selection 
+is the norm in a high-risk pool. Therefore, it is important to consider 
+the health characteristics of those who will become newly insured. In 
+particular, will only the unhealthy choose to participate, or will the 
+healthy participate as well? If this segmentation occurs, is it planned 
+for in the proposal? Under a private group type plan the key to 
+minimizing adverse selection is to increase participation, especially 
+among healthy individuals. This can be accomplished through various 
+means, including high premium subsidies, automatically enrolling 
+eligible participants, and requiring higher premiums and/or other 
+penalties for those who delay enrollment.
+
+      Do insurance subsidies or other incentives encourage 
+enrollment among not only the unhealthy but also the healthy?
+      Does the proposal require the individual to obtain 
+coverage?
+      Does the proposal require an employer to provide 
+coverage?
+
+Are risk-sharing provisions included?
+    In the absence of universal coverage, some degree of adverse 
+selection is inevitable and should be planned for. Risk adjustment and/
+or other types of reinsurance arrangements can reduce the incentives an 
+insurer might have to avoid enrolling high-risk individuals. For 
+instance, risk adjustment would adjust the payments to insurance plans 
+to account for the health status of plan participants. As mentioned 
+above, reinsurance is another option to limit insurers' downside risk. 
+Under aggregate reinsurance, all or a percentage of a plan's total 
+claims exceeding a predetermined threshold would be reimbursed. 
+Individual reinsurance can reimburse a plan for high claims from 
+individual plan participants.
+
+      Does the proposal include risk adjustment to reduce the 
+incentives among insurers to avoid high-risk individuals?
+      Are reinsurance provisions included?
+
+What Are the Costs to States?
+
+    Medicaid and coverage under the State Children's Health Insurance 
+Program (SCHIP) are not reaching all the people they are designed to 
+serve for many reasons. With state budget deficits increasing, states 
+may have modified their Medicaid and SCHIP programs to reduce costs. 
+These cost reductions have been in the form of increased eligibility 
+requirements or the termination of eligibility categories, decreased 
+benefits or provider fee schedules, and more aggressive contract 
+negotiations with managed care plans that may administer a state's 
+Medicaid or SCHIP program. Managed care plans may in turn withdraw from 
+providing Medicaid or SCHIP coverage.
+
+      Will the proposal increase Medicaid or SCHIP coverage 
+through increased benefits, provider fee schedules, decreased 
+eligibility requirements, or new eligibility categories?
+      Will the proposal increase or decrease the financial 
+burden to states and the federal government?
+
+Will enrollment in public programs increase?
+    Implementing broader outreach programs to reach those who are 
+eligible for public programs but do not know it may decrease the 
+current number of uninsureds.
+
+      How does the proposal address bringing greater awareness 
+of Medicaid and SCHIP programs to those who are eligible?
+      Will administrative language and cultural barriers be 
+reduced so that Medicaid and SCHIP enrollment will be more efficient 
+and effective?
+What Is the Impact on Regulation?
+    Individual states are responsible for regulating the individual, 
+small--and large-group insurance markets and monitoring the financial 
+solvency of insurance companies. ERISA controls many aspects of self-
+funded programs provided by larger employers.
+
+      Will the proposal affect each state's ability to regulate 
+its local insurance market?
+      Will the proposal reduce or increase an individual 
+state's regulatory burden?
+      Which states will have to increase/decrease their 
+regulatory activities as a result of the proposal?
+      Will ERISA need to be modified to allow any changes 
+required under the proposal?
+      Can the federal government handle any new requirements?
+
+How Will the Proposal Be Funded?
+    Proposals that include public program expansions or subsidies for 
+private insurance coverage will need to be funded by state and/or 
+federal revenues. Consideration of funding sources should also include 
+an analysis of the sustainability of the funding over a relevant period 
+of years and the proposal's impact on administrative costs.
+
+How will funding be provided?
+      Federal government
+      State governments
+      Individuals (e.g., taxpayers, program participants, 
+uninsured, etc.)
+      Employers (e.g., insured, self-insured, not currently 
+offering insurance, etc.)
+
+Will funding be on an annualized basis or will it include long-term 
+        funding mechanisms?
+
+What Is the Impact on Overall Health Costs?
+    According to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), 
+the United States spent $1.6 trillion on health care in 2002 or 14.9 
+percent of gross domestic product (GDP). CMS projects spending to 
+increase to $3.4 trillion, or 18 percent of GDP, by 2013. Because 
+rising health expenditures have contributed to insurance being less 
+affordable and less available, managing the growth in health care costs 
+is key to long-term solutions for reducing the number of uninsured. 
+Medical malpractice reform, better contract negotiations with health 
+care providers, more consumer awareness of the cost of healthcare, and 
+others have all been suggested as potential ways to stem this growth.
+
+      How will the proposal address the rising costs of health 
+care?
+
+Conclusion
+    Whether a proposal to reduce the number of uninsured is successful 
+depends on many factors. We have tried to present many, but by no means 
+all, of the issues that need to be considered as Congress drafts and 
+evaluates proposals to extend health insurance coverage to the 
+uninsured. Addressing these issues will improve the likelihood that 
+such proposals will have a significant affect on reducing the growing 
+number of Americans who lack health insurance coverage.
+
+                                 
+
+            Statement of the American College of Physicians
+
+    The American College of Physicians (ACP), representing more than 
+115,000 internal medicine physicians and medical students, is the 
+nation's largest medical specialty organization and second largest 
+medical association. The ACP commends Chairwoman Nancy Johnson for 
+addressing the causes and consequences of lack of health insurance. 
+Understanding who the uninsured are and why they lack health insurance 
+is a critical first step to formulating policies that ensure this 
+increasing segment of the population can access quality health care.
+    The advanced science, technology, and practice of American medicine 
+is admired throughout the world. Americans with access to health care 
+benefit from widely available preventive care, state-of-the-art 
+equipment, and accomplished practitioners. However, the benefits of 
+American medicine are less available to those who lack health insurance 
+coverage. Individuals without health insurance coverage are less likely 
+to have a regular source of care, more likely to delay obtaining needed 
+medical care until a later and more advanced stage of disease, and more 
+likely to obtain care in more costly emergency centers rather than in a 
+physician's offices. For these patients, the benefits of the best 
+medical services in the world are not fully realized.
+
+Rising Numbers of Uninsured Americans
+    Tough economic times and soaring health care costs have compromised 
+access to the health system. As unemployment rises, states cut back on 
+the number of people eligible for public insurance programs. At the 
+same time, employers reduce benefits, shifting a larger share of health 
+care costs to employees, or simply discontinue offering health 
+insurance coverage. After increasing by roughly a million people each 
+year throughout most of the 1990s, the number of uninsured now exceeds 
+43 million persons, representing more than 17 percent of the U.S. 
+population under age 65.\1\ Those most likely to lack health insurance 
+continue to include young adults in the 18-to-24-year-old age group, 
+people with lower levels of education, people of Hispanic origin, those 
+who work part-time, and the foreign born.
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+    \1\ U.S. Census Bureau. Current Population Reports: Health 
+Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2002. September 2003.
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+Health Consequences of Being Uninsured
+    A popular myth exists that not having health insurance is merely an 
+inconvenience. The myth asserts that anyone can go to an emergency room 
+or free clinic and get care. To help dispel this myth and prove that 
+lack of health insurance is a serious health threat, ACP conducted a 
+literature review of over 1,000 documents published over the last ten 
+years linking health insurance coverage with the utilization of health 
+care services and individual health outcomes. The College's 2000 
+report, No Health Insurance? It's Enough to Make You Sick, verified 
+that the uninsured experience reduced access to health care and tend to 
+live sicker and die younger than people with health insurance. Evidence 
+from the available medical and scientific literature indicates that:
+
+      Uninsured Americans experience reduced access to health 
+care;
+      Uninsured Americans are less likely to have a regular 
+source of care;
+      Uninsured Americans are less likely to have had a recent 
+physician visit;
+      Uninsured Americans are more likely to delay seeking 
+care;
+      Uninsured individuals are more likely to report they have 
+not received needed care;
+      Uninsured Americans are less likely to use preventive 
+services;
+      Uninsured Americans experience poorer medical outcomes;
+      Uninsured Americans experience a generally higher 
+mortality and a specifically higher in-hospital mortality;
+      There is a disproportionate representation of racial and 
+ethnic groups among the uninsured;
+      Uninsured Americans may be up to three times more likely 
+than privately insured individuals to experience adverse health 
+outcomes;
+      Uninsured patients are up to four times as likely as 
+insured patients to require both avoidable hospitalizations and 
+emergency hospital care.
+
+    More specifically, ACP found that uninsured working-age adults are:
+
+      More likely to go without care that meets professionally 
+recommended standards for managing chronic diseases, such as timely eye 
+exams to prevent blindness in persons with diabetes;
+      Less able to access medications needed to manage 
+conditions like hypertension or HIV;
+      Less likely to receive appropriate cancer screening, 
+resulting in delayed diagnosis, delayed treatment, and premature 
+mortality; and
+      More likely to have avoidable medical crises and 
+emergency hospitalizations from untreated conditions.
+
+    A separate study, funded by ACP to raise awareness about the 
+uninsured found that high proportions of uninsured adults were not 
+receiving needed medical care. The study examined 1997 and 1998 survey 
+data for more than 220,000 adults between the ages of 18 and 64 from 
+the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Behavioral Task Force. 
+Highlights from this study, which was published in the Journal of the 
+American Medical Association,\2\ include:
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+    \2\ Ayanian J, Weissman J, Schneider E, Ginsburg J, and Zaslavsky 
+A. Unmet Health Needs of Uninsured Adults in the United States. JAMA. 
+October 2000; 284 (16): 2061--2069.
+
+      About 14 percent of respondents lacked health insurance 
+and 10 percent had gone without health insurance for an entire year.
+      Nearly two-fifths of long-term uninsured and one-third of 
+short-term uninsured adults reported they were unable to see a 
+physician within the last year due to costs.
+      Of the long-term uninsured, nearly 70 percent of those in 
+poor health and nearly 50 percent of those in fair health reported 
+being unable to see a physician in the previous year due to cost.
+      Those who reported excellent or very good health were two 
+to three times more likely to have health insurance.
+      For highly recommended preventive services, long-term 
+uninsured adults (those that were without health insurance for more 
+than one year) were three and a half times less likely to receive 
+cardiovascular risk reduction services such as hypertension and 
+cholesterol screening; 25 percent less likely to have had a mammogram; 
+and three to four times less likely to have had a screening for breast 
+cancer.
+      Clinical risk groups for the long-term uninsured reported 
+being unable to see a doctor when they needed due to cost during the 
+past year including: 37 percent of smokers, one-third of the obese, 40 
+percent for hypertension, 46 percent of diabetics, and 37 percent with 
+elevated cholesterol.
+      One in five of the short-term uninsured in these same 
+risk groups reported encountering the same obstacles.
+      One quarter of the long-term uninsured had not received a 
+routine check up in the last two years in high-risk groups reporting 
+hypertension, diabetes and elevated cholesterol.
+      Nearly half of the long-term uninsured women and 40 
+percent of short-term uninsured women reported being unable to see a 
+doctor when needed during the last year (versus 30 percent and 22 
+percent of men.)
+      Long-term uninsured women aged 50-64 were three times 
+less likely than insured women of the same age to have received a 
+mammography or clinical breast exam; long-term uninsured women between 
+ages 18 and 64 were three times as likely not to have obtained a pap 
+smear within the last three years.
+      Nearly 20 percent of the self-employed had been uninsured 
+for greater than one year; another 5 percent had been without insurance 
+for some period within the last year.
+      Nearly 40 percent of the employed long-term uninsured and 
+30 percent of the employed short-term uninsured reported being unable 
+to see a doctor when needed during the last year.
+      In contrast to federal and state government efforts to 
+extend affordable health care coverage to children, nearly 33 million 
+adults continued to lack a cohesive plan to address their needs.
+Economic Costs of Being Uninsured
+    One of the principal obstacles to enactment of legislation to 
+expand health insurance coverage to all Americans is the belief that 
+the cost would be enormous and unaffordable. In a forthcoming paper, 
+The Cost of the Lack of Health Insurance, ACP documents the extent of 
+what is known about the aggregate economic costs to the United States 
+of maintaining a considerable uninsured population. By illustrating 
+that the United States already spends an enormous amount on health care 
+for the uninsured, both in terms of the direct costs of services 
+provided and the indirect costs to society of having individuals forego 
+or delay receipt of needed health care, the paper counters the claim 
+that the cost of extending coverage to the uninsured is prohibitive.
+    Following an extensive review of the current literature, ACP found 
+that the most integral cost estimate of the uninsured takes into 
+account multiple factors, some more quantifiable than others. There are 
+the direct costs borne by the health care system for treating the 
+uninsured, whose care is often more expensive than the insured since 
+the uninsured tend to receive treatment in the emergency department and 
+lack preventive care. These costs must be absorbed by providers as free 
+care, passed on to the uninsured via cost shifting and higher health 
+insurance premiums, or paid by taxpayers through higher taxes to 
+finance public hospitals and public insurance programs. Estimates of 
+the direct costs of the uninsured found in the literature include:
+
+      The uninsured receive as much as $98 billion in medical 
+care, $35 billion of which is considered uncompensated, a year.
+      Total government spending in the name of the uninsured is 
+about $30 billion a year.
+      Hospitals provide about $24 billion worth of 
+uncompensated care a year.
+      Physicians spend about $5.1 billion a year caring for 
+those who cannot pay their bills.
+      Employers and managed care companies spend $1.5-$3 
+billion through higher rates to cover part of the amount hospitals 
+spend caring for the uninsured.\3\
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+    \3\ Hadley J, Holahan J. How Much Medical Care Do the Uninsured 
+Use, and Who Pays For It? Health Affairs Web Exclusive. 12 February 
+2003.
+
+    Although the indirect costs associated with lack of insurance are 
+more difficult to calculate, a discussion of the consequences of not 
+extending coverage to the uninsured would be incomplete without their 
+consideration. Inadequate preventive care and delayed treatment among 
+the uninsured yields substantial societal costs in terms of reduced 
+life expectancy, lower workforce productivity, diminished educational 
+attainment, imperiled public health, and the financial burden 
+shouldered by uninsured individuals and communities. Making preventive 
+medicine and existing treatment therapies available to uninsured 
+persons will not only increase overall access to health care but may 
+also substantially contribute to a reduction in the total burden of 
+illness facing the United States.
+    The Institute of Medicine (IOM) report, Hidden Costs, Value Lost, 
+estimates the aggregate, annualized cost of diminished health and 
+shorter life span to be between $65 billion and $130 billion for each 
+year of health insurance forgone. This figure does not include the 
+increased financial risk and uncertainty borne by the uninsured and 
+their families, which is estimated to cost between $1.6 billion and 
+$3.2 billion, nor does it account for the wide range of societal costs 
+to which a price tag cannot be assigned.\4\
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+    \4\ Institute of Medicine. Hidden Costs, Value Lost. Consequences 
+of Uninsurance Series, No. 5. Washington, DC: National Academies Press; 
+17 June 2003.
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+    Critics of proposals to expand health insurance coverage point to 
+the high cost of the additional medical care that would be used by 
+newly insured Americans if coverage were expanded. However, a report 
+published in Health Affairs in June 2003, found that this amount may 
+not be as high as critics claim. The authors estimated that the 
+uninsured would use about $34-$69 billion (in 2001 dollars) in 
+additional medical care if they were fully insured, accounting for 
+about 3-6 percent of total health care spending. While this amount may 
+seem large in absolute dollars, an increase in medical spending of this 
+range would increase health care's share of gross domestic product 
+(GDP) by less than one percentage point.\5\
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+    \5\ Hadley J, Holahan J. Covering the Uninsured: How Much Would It 
+Cost? Health Affairs Web Exclusive. 4 June 2003.
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+    In a related analysis, the IOM found the estimated benefit that the 
+uninsured would experience from incremental health coverage ($1,645 to 
+$3,280) to be higher than the estimated incremental cost of providing 
+that service to the uninsured ($1,004 to $1,866), resulting in a 
+benefits-cost ratio of at least one for most values within each 
+range.\4\ Given the positive effects health insurance has on life 
+expectancy, public health, educational attainment, production, and the 
+economy in general, the benefits of extending coverage to the uninsured 
+appear to be greater than the costs of not insuring them.
+    The value of extending health insurance coverage to all Americans 
+requires an understanding of the alternative--the cost of leaving over 
+17 percent of the population under age 65 uninsured for all or part of 
+the year. When millions of Americans are unable to receive the care 
+they need, the health and lives of all patients are endangered, costs 
+are added to the health care system, and productivity is reduced. In 
+the debate of how to extend coverage to the uninsured, it is critical 
+that both short and long-term benefits are fully considered, since the 
+latter may offset what many critics fear are the direct costs 
+associated with such an expansion.
+
+Proposals to Expand Health Insurance Coverage
+    Given that the rising number of uninsured are imposing huge 
+economic and social costs on our country, ACP believes that it is 
+essential that Congress enact legislation to expand health insurance 
+coverage to all Americans by the end of the decade, starting with the 
+working poor and near poor who do not qualify for coverage under public 
+safety net programs and those who do not have access to affordable 
+employer-provided and individual insurance In April 2002, ACP proposed 
+a plan, entitled ``Achieving Affordable Health Insurance Coverage for 
+All Within Seven Years: A Proposal from America's Internists,'' which 
+offers a framework for policies that would enable all Americans to 
+obtain affordable health insurance within seven years. The College's 
+plan calls on Congress to take the following steps:
+    Enacting legislation to make affordable coverage available to all 
+people with incomes up to 200 percent of the Federal Poverty Level 
+(FPL), including: creating a national income eligibility for Medicaid 
+at 100 percent of FPL; converting the State Children's Health Insurance 
+Program (SCHIP) to a federal-state entitlement program; and creating a 
+tax credit/premium-subsidy program for individuals from 100-200 percent 
+of FPL that would apply to Medicaid or SCHIP ``buy-ins'' or toward the 
+purchase of private insurance.
+
+      Expanding the premium subsidy program to uninsured people 
+with incomes above 200 percent of FPL, while authorizing the creation 
+of purchasing groups and conditions for health plan participation, 
+modeled after the Federal Employees Health Benefit Program.
+      Enacting legislation to authorize states to request a 
+waiver to opt-out of the national framework for coverage. States that 
+meet federal guidelines would be able to use federal funding for state 
+programs.
+      Establishing a national commission that would report 
+annually to Congress on progress, develop a basic benefits package, and 
+recommend mechanisms to discourage individuals from voluntarily opting 
+out of insurance coverage.
+
+    Key elements of the College's seven year plan subsequently have 
+been incorporated into the bipartisan Health Coverage, Affordability, 
+Responsibility and Equity Act of 2003 (HealthCARE Act of 2003), H.R. 
+2402, introduced by Rep. Steve LaTourette (OH) and Marcy Kaptur (OH). A 
+companion bill, S. 1030, has been introduced in the Senate.
+    We believe that the policy framework proposed in the HealthCARE Act 
+of 2003 provides a realistic basis for a bipartisan consensus in 
+Congress on expansion of health insurance coverage. The legislation 
+provides for a program of tax credits combined with state purchasing 
+pools, to provide uninsured low-income Americans with the same dollar 
+subsidies and choice of health plans available to members of Congress 
+and other federal employees through the Federal Employee Health 
+Benefits Program. It provides a means for small businesses to band 
+together to purchase coverage comparable to that available under the 
+FEHBP. It also provides states with new options to expand and simplify 
+enrollment on Medicaid, without imposing new unfunded mandates on the 
+states. Finally, it provides an innovative structure to encourage 
+health plans to offer essential health benefits without imposing 
+unrealistic benefit mandates. The ACP would welcome the opportunity to 
+provide additional information to the Committee on the HealthCARE Act 
+of 2003 and on initial steps that could be taken this year, based on 
+elements in this legislation, to expand health insurance coverage to 
+the working poor.
+
+Conclusion
+    The American College of Physicians appreciates the opportunity to 
+provide the Ways and Means Committee's Subcommittee on Health with this 
+summary of our views on the economic and health costs of not providing 
+health insurance coverage to 44 million Americans, as well as our 
+recommendations for expanding coverage to all Americans. Additional 
+information on ACP's analysis and proposals can be found on our 
+website:
+
+      No Health Insurance? It's Enough to Make You Sick: http:/
+/www.acponline.org/uninsured/lack-contents.htm
+      Unmet Health Needs of Uninsured Adults in the United 
+States: Ayanian J, Weissman J, Schneider E, Ginsburg J, and Zaslavsky 
+A. Unmet Health Needs of Uninsured Adults in the United States. JAMA. 
+October 2000; 284 (16):2061-2069.
+      Achieving Affordable Health Insurance Coverage for All 
+Within Seven Years: A Proposal from America's Internists: http://
+www.acponline.org/hpp/afford_7years.pdf
+      The Cost of the Lack of Health Insurance: http://
+www.acponline.org
+      Highlights of the HealthCARE Act of 2003, H.R. 2402, S. 
+1030: http://www.acponline.org/uninsured/bing_highlights.pdf
+      Section by Section Summary of the HealthCARE Act of 2003, 
+http://www.acponline.org/uninsured/bing_sectsum.pdf
+
+                                 
+
+ Statement of Associated Builders and Contractors, Arlington, Virginia
+
+                      SPEAKING FOR THE MERIT SHOP
+
+    Associated Builders and Contractors (ABC) appreciates the 
+opportunity to submit the following statement for the official record. 
+We thank Chairwoman Nancy Johnson (R-CT), Ranking Member Fortney 
+``Pete'' Stark (D-CA) and members of the Health Subcommittee of the 
+House Ways and Means Committee for addressing the crisis of the 
+uninsured in America. ABC urges the committee to follow up on this 
+important hearing with an additional hearing to examine possible 
+solutions to this growing epidemic.
+    ABC is a national trade association representing 23,000 general 
+contractors, subcontractors, material suppliers, and construction-
+related firms from across the country within a network of 80 state 
+chapters. Our member companies represent over one million craft 
+professionals and administrative employees. As the nation's second-
+largest employer, with over 6 million workers, the construction 
+industry continues to create new and beneficial jobs each year. 
+Construction spending has a stimulative effect on the economy. For 
+every $1 million spent in construction, $3 million in economic activity 
+is generated and 13 new permanent jobs are created.
+    To remain at the present level of activity, the construction 
+industry needs an additional quarter of a million (250,000) workers per 
+year to replace an aging and retiring workforce. One of the key 
+elements to attracting and retaining workers and remaining competitive 
+in any industry is to provide high quality, flexible health benefit 
+plans. Providing quality health care benefits is a top priority for ABC 
+and its members, and maintaining cost effective health insurance plans 
+is a key ingredient in achieving this objective.
+    Currently, there are more than 43 million uninsured Americans, and 
+60 percent of them are employed by (or family members are employed by) 
+small businesses. Therefore, the problem of the uninsured does not 
+solely lie with the unemployed, but also with the small businesses 
+across the country who are unable to provide quality health care 
+coverage due to skyrocketing costs. In fact, a new study by the Robert 
+Wood Johnson Foundation found that more than one in three Americans 
+under 65 was uninsured at some point over the past two years.
+    In 2002, the Census Bureau released a study that showed that the 
+share of the population covered by employer-sponsored health care 
+coverage declined from 63 to 61 percent. The rising cost of health 
+insurance premiums is the biggest factor in this decline and number one 
+problem facing small business in this country. Faced with 15, 20 and 
+even 50 percent premium increases annually for the past several years, 
+many small businesses have been forced to reduce or even drop coverage.
+    Many factors have contributed to the cost increase of health 
+insurance. Hospital costs, frivolous medical malpractice lawsuits, lack 
+of competition and increased state regulation have all led to increased 
+premiums. However, it is important to note that while health insurance 
+costs have gone up at twice the rate of inflation, a vast majority of 
+small businesses's productivity and profits have failed to grow at the 
+same rate. One sector though, has enjoyed its greatest profit margins 
+ever. The insurance industry, namely large health insurance companies, 
+have experienced record-setting profits over the past few years.
+    A number of state reforms have actually led to increased rates, 
+thus forcing employers to reduce benefits through higher deductibles 
+and co-pays or eventually to drop coverage in order to comply with the 
+law. State health insurance reforms and community rating laws have 
+forced some insurance carriers to completely withdraw from the small 
+group market for employers with less than 50 employees. When these and 
+other state reforms occur, small employers are left with fewer 
+alternatives for health insurance coverage for themselves and their 
+employees.
+    Recent mergers of health insurance companies have also reduced 
+competition and alternatives for employers who seek access to quality 
+and affordable health insurance. Today, there is a great need to bring 
+more competition back into the system rather than continually reducing 
+it.
+    While there is no single solution to the problem of the uninsured, 
+ABC feels that it is vital for Congress to examine the current market 
+and to consider proposals that will provide market-based reforms. We 
+believe that our current health insurance system, while flawed, is 
+still the best in the world. Any solutions should help provide working 
+families the best opportunity to obtain the quality, affordable health 
+coverage they both need and deserve. Increasing competition within the 
+small group market will help lower costs to employers struggling to 
+continue to offer health insurance to their employees today.
+    The House of Representatives has already passed The Small Business 
+Health Fairness Act (H.R. 660), which represents one common-sense 
+proposal to address the uninsured problem plaguing small businesses. 
+President Bush, a strong proponent of this legislation, called on the 
+Senate to pass this same measure in his State of the Union Address. ABC 
+recognizes the need for this legislation and commends the House for 
+approving it last summer.
+    ABC appreciates this opportunity to submit comments on such a vital 
+issue. We look forward to continuing a constructive dialogue on how to 
+increase access to affordable and competitive health insurance for 
+small businesses and thus reducing the number of uninsured Americans.
+
+                                 
+
+   Statement of Michael D. Place, Catholic Health Association of the 
+                             United States
+
+        THE NATIONAL TRAGEDY OF THE NEARLY 44 MILLION UNINSURED
+
+INTRODUCTION
+    Clearly, a disease that infects nearly 44 million individuals in 
+this country would quickly command resources from every possible 
+governing agency and public health entity. But this country faces an 
+epidemic of uninsured individuals, and many in our nation seem willing 
+to ignore this epidemic.
+    While researchers and economists may disagree on exactly how many 
+are uninsured, their income levels, and the reasons that they are 
+uninsured, no one can deny the fact that by default a ``silent'' 
+national policy excludes 1 in 7 individuals from fully participating in 
+and enjoying the benefits of our health care system.
+    The recent IOM Study, Insuring America's Health: Principles and 
+Recommendations,and numerous other research reports clearly state that 
+being uninsured presents a formidable barrier to obtaining necessary 
+medical care with a multitude of health consequences. For the 
+individual, treatment delayed can mean serious complications, even 
+death. For society, it means the potential spread of disease, rising 
+medical costs, and the inefficient expenditure of health care 
+resources.
+    As the Catholic health ministry, whose history began over 275 years 
+ago, we continue to serve uninsured and underinsured individuals every 
+day in our hospitals and clinics. We have seen the unraveling of our 
+nation's safety net due to a downturn in our nation's economy; 
+decreasing resources at the local, state, and federal level; and 
+increasing demands for services. The strains on our health care system 
+must be addressed.
+    As employers, health care providers, and above all as a community 
+of faith, our values are the basis for our commitment to addressing 
+these issues and presenting our recommendations.
+OUR VALUES
+    The perspective of the Catholic health ministry is founded in 
+social justice teachings. The following are our ``operating 
+principles,'' derived from a faith-based tradition of caring for the 
+poor, healing the sick, and speaking for those who often go unheard.
+
+      Every person is the subject of human dignity. This 
+dignity must be honored, preserved, and protected from conception to 
+death, whether one is disabled or aged. Flowing from this dignity is 
+the right to basic and continuing health care.
+      Health care is a service to people in need. Health care 
+is an essential social good. It should never be reduced to a mere 
+commodity exchanged for profit.
+      Health care must serve the common good. The health care 
+needs of each individual must be balanced by the needs of the larger 
+society.
+      There is a special duty to care for the poor and 
+vulnerable. The well and the wealthy should care for the poor, the 
+sick, and the frail.
+      There must be responsible stewardship of resources. The 
+resources needed for health care must be balanced with the needs of 
+other essential social services.
+      Subsidiarity. To the greatest degree practicable, 
+administration must be carried out at the level of organization closest 
+to those to be served.
+
+    Our ministry's approach to health care rests in these values. As a 
+result, we believe there is a human right to basic health care and that 
+society has a special duty to care for the poor and vulnerable. These 
+are commitments that many Americans, regardless of their denomination 
+or faith, also share.
+    Today, turning a blind eye to discrimination, denying any child a 
+public education, or allowing a defendant in a criminal proceeding to 
+stand trial without legal assistance would be unacceptable to us as a 
+nation.
+    We believe that if more individuals understood the suffering that 
+millions among us endure, the apathy that now shrouds the issue of 
+helping the nation's uninsured could be remedied. After all, any one of 
+us among the over 160 million privately insured could very quickly and 
+unexpectedly join the ranks of the uninsured.
+    As a ministry, we continue to take steps to educate and raise 
+awareness among our associates, our community leaders, and the general 
+public about this critical issue. We are committed to partnerships with 
+other organizations such as the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation to 
+prepare this country for a serious dialogue about the nearly 44 million 
+who are uninsured. We also are looking at innovative ways to provide 
+coverage for low-wage earners in our own ministry, and to assist in 
+identifying and facilitating enrollment of those populations who are 
+eligible but not enrolled in public programs. Our ministry is motivated 
+by our mission and underlying values to do the right thing, as 
+evidenced through our commitment to broader community benefit efforts.
+    As we prepare for this national dialogue, the Catholic health 
+ministry has articulated the following guiding principles for a broader 
+approach to health care reform and remains committed, both in the short 
+and long term, to achieving the necessary changes in our current 
+system. The guiding principles include:
+
+      A reformed system should provide health care for all
+      A defined set of basic benefits should be available to 
+all
+      Responsibility for health should be shared by all
+      Spending on health care should be based on the 
+appropriate and efficient use of resources
+      Financing of the delivery of health care should be 
+adequate and based upon a pluralistic model, with shared responsibility 
+by government, employers, and individuals
+      A reformed system should provide quality health care 
+services
+      The effective participation of patients and families in 
+decision making should be encouraged and enhanced
+
+    In light of our values and our guiding principals, we offer the 
+following recommendations for your consideration.
+RECOMMENDATIONS
+    There are tough moral, ethical, and policy questions surrounding 
+the uninsured that must be discussed and debated in an open forum where 
+all sides are heard. We thank the committee for addressing these very 
+important policy questions.
+    Without abandoning the goal of accessible and affordable health 
+care for all, but in recognition of the valuable lessons learned from 
+previous efforts, CHA has chosen to pursue a strategy that works toward 
+our goal in intentional and sequential steps.
+    Our proposal, crafted in collaboration with the American Hospital 
+Association, is both an acknowledgment of today's political realities 
+and an example of the policy choices and strategy we intend to follow 
+in building an infrastructure for accessible and affordable health care 
+for all. This proposal is consistent with our sense of societal 
+responsibility and guiding principles. We are well aware of the current 
+fiscal constraints at the local, state, and federal level, but we also 
+believe that this issue demands significant resources in the near term.
+    While we acknowledge that this proposal is not the ultimate 
+solution, and that accessible and affordable health care for all cannot 
+be achieved overnight, we do believe that this proposal provides 
+additional ideas and consideration for the committee as it looks for 
+ways to craft bipartisan legislation that achieves coverage for our 
+nation's children, the future of our country, and those most in need of 
+care.
+    The AHA/CHA proposal would expand insurance coverage through a 
+combination of approaches. The proposal mandates that all children have 
+health insurance coverage, and expands eligibility under the Medicaid 
+and State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) for those 
+children not otherwise covered by other sources. The plan also would 
+provide tax credits and premium subsidies to assist small employers and 
+individuals in the purchase of private health insurance for their 
+workers and families. The three key components to the AHA/CHA proposal 
+to expand health insurance coverage are briefly described below.
+    1. Mandatory Children's Coverage: All children under the age of 19 
+would have coverage. Accessible and affordable health care for all 
+children, without reducing employer coverage for dependents, would be 
+accomplished by structuring the programs so that financial incentives 
+remain for people to cover their children through private insurance 
+whenever possible. Children would be enrolled at birth. Subsequently, 
+coverage would be required as a condition of enrolling in school.
+
+      Premium Structure: States would be required to expand 
+eligibility under their Medicaid and/or SCHIP programs to provide 
+subsidized coverage for all children living below 250 percent of the 
+federal poverty level (FPL). Children below 150 percent of the FPL 
+would be covered without premium contribution, while premiums would be 
+phased in on a sliding scale for those between 150 and 250 percent of 
+the FPL, subject to a premium cap equal to 5 percent of family income. 
+Children above 250 percent of the FPL would pay full actuarial costs in 
+premiums to ``buy into'' the Medicaid/SCHIP coverage.
+      Benefits Package: States would have the choice of 
+offering the Medicaid benefits package or an alternative benefits 
+package (similar to SCHIP).
+      FMAP: State spending would be matched at the current 
+SCHIP enhanced Federal Medical Assistance Percentage (FMAP) rate.
+      Eligibility: States would be required to maintain their 
+current income eligibility levels and covered services throughout the 
+Medicaid/SCHIP programs.
+
+    2. Small Employer Premium Subsidies/Tax Credits: The plan includes 
+premium subsidies to small employers for the purchase of insurance for 
+low-wage workers below 200 percent of the FPL. The premium support 
+would be administered by the United States Treasury Department.
+
+      Employer Eligibility: Firms with between 1 and 50 workers 
+would be eligible for the subsidies, provided the employer's workforce 
+is paid less than an average of $10.00 per hour, or 60 percent of 
+employees in the firm are earning less than $10.00 per hour. In 
+addition, the employer must be paying at least 70 percent of the 
+premium for single-only coverage, and 60 percent of the premium for 
+family coverage. The subsidies would be available to both for-profit 
+and not-for-profit employers.
+      Subsidy Amount: The maximum subsidy would be 50 percent 
+of the employer's share of the premium, up to a maximum premium amount 
+based on a benchmark health plan (i.e., Blue Cross Blue Shield's 
+``Basic Plan'' offered through the Federal Employees Health Benefits 
+Plan). The premium percentage subsidy is phased down with firm size 
+from 50 percent for the smallest firms to 30 percent for firms with 50 
+workers.
+      Additional Provisions: The subsidy would be refundable 
+(the amount of the subsidy could exceed the amount of taxes owed by the 
+employer), and would be advance fundable so that subsidies are 
+available throughout the year as the employer's premium payments are 
+due. In addition, employers taking the subsidy would be required to 
+offset the employer premium payment by the amount of the subsidy 
+received in determining the employer's allowable deduction for employee 
+health benefits costs.
+
+    3. Premium Subsidies/Tax Credits for Individuals: The program would 
+provide a subsidy for the purchase of non-group insurance for people 
+below 300 percent of the FPL, or help pay the worker's share of 
+premiums for people with employer-sponsored insurance (ESI).
+
+      Subsidy for individual non-group coverage: The subsidy 
+would be equal to two-thirds of the insurance payments for qualified 
+coverage through an FEHBP plan, and would be phased out for persons 
+over 150 percent of the FPL reaching $0 at 300 percent of the FPL.
+      Subsidy for employee share of ESI: The premium subsidy 
+amount is capped not to exceed $1,000 for single coverage and $3,000 
+for family coverage for the employee share of the ESI.
+CONCLUSIONS
+    As provider, employer, advocate, citizen, bringing together people 
+of diverse faiths and backgrounds, our ministry is an enduring sign of 
+health care rooted in the belief that every person is a treasure, every 
+life a sacred gift, and every human being a unity of body, mind, and 
+spirit.
+    As the Catholic health ministry, our faith tradition calls us to 
+collaborate with others to be both a voice for the voiceless--the 
+millions of uninsured--and agents for change. CHA has been, is, and 
+will continue to be a strong advocate for accessible and affordable 
+health care for all in a reformed health care system. We stand ready 
+and willing to work with the committee this year and as long as it 
+takes to craft an equitable solution to this national tragedy.
+
+                                 
+
+                Communicating for Agriculture and the Self-Employed
+                                             Fergus Falls, MN 56537
+                                                      March 9, 2004
+The Honorable Nancy Johnson
+Chair, Subcommittee on Health
+House Ways and Means Committee
+Washington, DC 20515
+
+Dear Chairman Johnson:
+
+    Communicating for Agriculture and the Self-Employed (CA) is a 
+national, non-profit rural association made up of farmers, ranchers and 
+rural small business members throughout the country. Throughout CA's 
+32-year history, we have been active on health care affordability and 
+access issues and we applaud your efforts to address, through a series 
+of hearings, this pressing problem for millions of Americans.
+    While much of the discussion on this issue has centered around the 
+employer-based health insurance market, our members bring a different 
+perspective to the issue, a perspective I would be happy to discuss at 
+a future hearing. Many of our members are self-employed, do not have 
+access to employer-based insurance and must rely on the individual 
+health insurance marketplace.
+    Solutions that we have found that would help these individuals 
+obtain affordable health insurance, and solutions I would be happy to 
+discuss with the Subcommittee in future hearings, include:
+State Health Insurance High Risk Pools
+    High risk pools are special state created and overseen health 
+insurance programs that serve people in the individual market who have 
+been denied coverage, or who can only access coverage at very high 
+rates due to a pre-existing health condition such as cancer, congestive 
+health failure, diabetes, AIDS and other chronic illnesses.
+    Federal legislation recently provided $40 million a year for two 
+years to help existing risk pools and another $20 million to help 
+states form new pools. (CA was called in by the Department of Health 
+and Human Services to suggest language for the new regulations 
+governing this program.) CA is now supporting legislation that would 
+increase the funding per year and extend the program through 2009.
+Advanceable, Refundable Tax Credits to Purchase Health Insurance
+    As you know, there are several proposals in Congress to create an 
+advanceable, refundable income tax credit for the cost of health 
+insurance purchased by individuals under 65 years of age.
+    Depending on income and other factors, this tax credit would be 
+available in advance of the time the insurance is purchased. 
+Individuals would reduce their premium payment by the amount of the 
+credit and the health insurer would be reimbursed by the Department of 
+Treasury for the amount of the advance credit. Eligibility for the 
+advance credit would be based on an individual's prior year tax return.
+Individual Tax Deductions
+    In addition the refundable tax credits, CA supports 100 percent 
+deduction for health insurance for all individuals and there are 
+several bills now in Congress to address this issue. Businesses and the 
+self-employed can deduct 100 percent of health insurance costs, but not 
+individuals. If General Motors can deduct its insurance costs, why 
+can't a woman who holds two part time jobs and is not eligible for 
+health insurance at either job, deduct the cost of her individual 
+policy?
+    We believe that there is no one silver bullet that will immediately 
+solve the problem for our uninsured. However, we also believe that a 
+combination of programs, such as those I have outlined, will go a long 
+way to enable a great many more Americans to have access to health 
+insurance.
+    Our members support your efforts to deal with this very serious and 
+very complex problem and if we can ever be of service, please don't 
+hesitate to call.
+    Thank you.
+            Sincerely yours,
+                                                       Wayne Nelson
+                                                          President
+
+                                 
+
+              Statement of Marina L. Weiss, March of Dimes
+    The March of Dimes Birth Defects Foundation is pleased to submit 
+for the hearing record the following statement on ``The Uninsured.''
+    President Franklin Roosevelt established the March of Dimes in 1938 
+to fight polio. The March of Dimes committed funds for research and 
+within 20 years Foundation grantees were successful in developing a 
+vaccine to prevent polio. The March of Dimes then turned its attention 
+to improving the health of children through the prevention of birth 
+defects, prematurity and infant mortality. As you might expect, 
+providing coverage to women of childbearing age, especially those who 
+are pregnant, infants and children are policy priorities for the 
+Foundation.
+    Today, access to health insurance is especially pertinent to the 
+advancement of the March of Dimes mission. In January 2003, the 
+Foundation embarked upon a 5-year, $75 million campaign to address the 
+growing problem of preterm birth. The Prematurity Campaign is designed 
+to increase awareness of the problem of preterm birth; to expand 
+research on the causes of preterm birth and the care of babies born 
+preterm; and to improve access to health coverage for women of 
+childbearing age and their children.
+    The March of Dimes includes millions of volunteers and 1,400 staff 
+members who work through chapters in every state, the District of 
+Columbia and Puerto Rico. The Foundation is a unique partnership of 
+scientists, clinicians, parents, business leaders and other volunteers, 
+who work to advance the mission by supporting programs of research, 
+community services, education and advocacy.
+    At the March of Dimes, the overarching goal is to improve the 
+health of women and children. This is why we are so concerned about 
+improving access to health coverage for women of childbearing age, 
+especially those who are pregnant, as well as to their infants and 
+children.
+The Problem of the Uninsured
+    Lack of health coverage continues to be a significant problem for 
+millions of Americans. The Census Bureau reported in September 2003 
+that 43.6 million Americans were uninsured in 2002. Census Bureau data 
+commissioned by the March of Dimes show that in 2002, 12.1 million 
+women (19.6 percent) or nearly one in five women of childbearing age 
+(15-44) went without health insurance--a higher rate than other 
+Americans under age 65 (17.2 percent). In other words, approximately 28 
+percent of uninsured Americans are women of childbearing age. Hispanic 
+women in this age group are more than 2.5 times as likely as whites to 
+be uninsured--37 percent compared to 14 percent respectively. Native 
+American (29 percent), African-American (24 percent) and Asian (24 
+percent) women were also likelier than whites to be uninsured.
+    Compared with a U.S. average of 19%, New Mexico (31 percent) and 
+Texas (30 percent) had the highest rates of uninsured women of 
+childbearing age for the 2000-2002 period according to the U.S. Census 
+Bureau.\1\ Since the mid-1980's expanded Medicaid eligibility for 
+pregnant women has resulted in better rates of coverage for this group 
+than for women in general. The Congressional Budget Office, citing in 
+part March of Dimes supported research, estimates that about 1.7 
+million pregnancies are covered each year through Medicaid.\2\ But as 
+the data indicate, considerable room for improvement remains.
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+    \1\ U.S. Census Bureau, March 2003 Current Population Survey. Data 
+prepared for the March of Dimes. October 2003. http://
+www.marchofdimes.com/files/census2003.pdf
+    \2\ Congressional Budget Office. ``Cost Estimate: S. 724 Mothers 
+and Newborns Health Insurance Act of 2002.'' October 11, 2002.
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+Health Insurance Makes a Difference
+    Numerous studies have shown that having insurance coverage affects 
+how people use health care services.\3\ Particularly important is the 
+finding that the uninsured are less likely to have a usual source of 
+medical care and are more likely to delay or forgo needed health care 
+services.
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+    \3\ Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured. Sicker and 
+Poorer: The Consequences of Being Uninsured. February 2003.
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+    In a report issued in 2002 by the Institute of Medicine, 
+researchers concluded that ``[L]ike Americans in general, pregnant 
+women's use of health services varies by insurance status. Uninsured 
+women receive fewer prenatal care services than their insured 
+counterparts and report greater difficulty in obtaining the care they 
+believe they need.'' \4\
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+    \4\ Institute of Medicine. Health Insurance Is A Family Matter. 
+National Academies Press. 2002.
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+    A study funded by the March of Dimes and cited by the Institute of 
+Medicine in its report shows that, in 1996, some 18.1 percent of 
+uninsured pregnant women reported going without needed medical care 
+during the year in which they gave birth. That compares with 7.6 
+percent of privately insured pregnant women and 8.1 percent of pregnant 
+women covered through the Medicaid program.\5\
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+    \5\ Amy B. Bernstein. ``Insurance Status and Use of Health Services 
+by Pregnant Women.'' AlphaCenter prepared for the March of Dimes. 
+October 1999. http://www.marchofdimes.com/files/bernstein_paper.pdf
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+    Pregnancy represents a significant cost to young parents without 
+insurance, even in the healthiest pregnancies. For families with a 
+problem pregnancy, the financial impact can be devastating. Without 
+access to health insurance, many pregnant women delay seeing a doctor 
+and getting the prenatal care they need. As the report that accompanied 
+legislation passed by the Senate Committee on Finance in the last 
+Congress stated, ``[R]ecent studies have shown that infants born to 
+mothers receiving late or no prenatal care are more likely to face 
+complications which can result in hospitalization, expensive medical 
+treatments, and increased costs to public programs. Closing the gap in 
+coverage between mothers and their children will improve the health of 
+both, while reducing costs for taxpayers.'' \6\
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+    \6\ Report 107-233. ``Mothers and Newborns Health Insurance Act of 
+2002.'' Committee on Finance, United States Senate. August 1, 2002.
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+Maternity Coverage is Often Not Available in the Individual Insurance 
+        Market
+    In accordance with its mission, the March of Dimes seeks to reduce 
+the number of uninsured women, infants and children and to improve 
+access to medical care. It is for this reason that the Foundation is 
+concerned about certain aspects of Administration and Congressional 
+proposals to address the problem of the uninsured by providing a health 
+insurance tax credit for use in the individual market. A recent study 
+by Ed Neuschler of the Institute for Health Policy Solutions, 
+commissioned by the March of Dimes, found that using tax credits to 
+subsidize the purchase of individual (non-group) health insurance would 
+do little to expand access to maternity coverage.\7\ Services related 
+to normal pregnancy and childbirth typically are not covered under 
+health insurance policies sold in the individual market--except in a 
+few states where such coverage is mandated. In some cases, maternity 
+coverage for individuals is offered as a separate rider with an 
+additional premium. Coverage under such riders is typically very 
+expensive and limited in scope, with separate higher deductibles or low 
+dollar limits on benefits, and special waiting periods. Private 
+individual coverage for women who are already pregnant is simply not 
+available, at any price. In fact, to the extent that tax credits 
+promote a shift from employer-based coverage to individual coverage, as 
+some researcher predict, widespread use of such credits could increase 
+the number of young families lacking coverage for maternity care, 
+according to Neuschler's report.
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+    \7\ Ed Neuschler. Policy Brief on Tax Credits for the Uninsured and 
+Maternity Care. Institute for Health Policy Solutions prepared for the 
+March of Dimes. January 2004.
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+    Maternity care is offered in most employer plans. Under the federal 
+Pregnancy Discrimination Act, employers with 15 or more workers may not 
+offer health insurance that excludes maternity care. Some researchers 
+have estimated that, while providing tax credits for non-employment-
+based coverage would reduce the number of uninsured, there would be 
+considerable shifting in source of coverage. That is, the number of 
+individuals with employment-based coverage and associated maternity 
+benefits would decline, mostly due to employers' elimination of health 
+coverage as a fringe benefit, with the result that some employees would 
+switch to individual insurance and others would become uninsured. Thus, 
+the number of people with individual coverage (and, therefore, without 
+maternity coverage in most cases) could increase significantly. None of 
+the individual health insurance tax credit proposals introduced in the 
+108th Congress would specifically require qualifying health plans to 
+cover maternity benefits.
+    While several approaches to improve the availability of maternity 
+coverage might be considered in the context of designing a tax credit, 
+there appears to be no easy way to assure that a policy of subsidizing 
+individual health insurance plans will also expand coverage of 
+maternity care. Simply requiring health insurers to include maternity 
+coverage in individual insurance policies could cause carriers to 
+increase premiums dramatically--diluting whatever effectiveness tax 
+credits might have in helping the uninsured afford coverage--or 
+withdraw from the market altogether, according to Neuschler.
+    Should the Committee elect to approve creation of a tax credit 
+targeted at subsidizing individual health insurance coverage, it is 
+important that the overlap between eligibility for the credit and 
+Medicaid or State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) coverage 
+for pregnant women be addressed. Tax credit proposals introduced in 
+Congress and proposed by the Administration in 2003 deny eligibility to 
+individuals enrolled in Medicaid. Because Medicaid income eligibility 
+for pregnant women is more generous than for women who are not 
+pregnant, some tax-credit eligible women will qualify for Medicaid 
+coverage of pregnancy-related services. Under the proposals currently 
+pending before the Committee, these women would be forced to forgo 
+prenatal coverage while covered in the individual market and enroll in 
+Medicaid for coverage of delivery and postpartum care, or to decline 
+private coverage and enroll in Medicaid only for the duration of their 
+pregnancy. If she chose the latter course, the woman would then be 
+forced to re-apply for private coverage--and face possible denial due 
+to underwriting--once her pregnancy is over and she is no longer 
+eligible for Medicaid.
+    At the very least, pregnant women who become eligible for Medicaid 
+only because of pregnancy should be able to retain their tax credit for 
+individual coverage. The normal third-party liability provisions of 
+Medicaid can assure that Medicaid does not pay for services that the 
+woman's private insurance ought to cover, thus avoiding any risk of 
+duplicative federal costs.
+Alternative Approaches
+    The March of Dimes urges Members of the Committee to consider the 
+needs of women, especially those who are pregnant, as you tackle the 
+problem of the uninsured. In addition, we offer for your consideration 
+some `best coverage' suggestions from both the public and private 
+sectors.
+
+    1.  If tax credits are considered as a vehicle to help the 
+uninsured, encourage use of the credits for purchase of employer-based 
+or group health insurance, rather than coverage in the individual 
+market. Because of the difficulties inherent in trying to integrate 
+maternity benefits into individual insurance coverage, it would be 
+preferable if health insurance tax credits were used to expand access 
+to and participation by low-income workers in employment-based coverage 
+and other group plans that cover maternity services. In addition, 
+allowing tax credits to be used for purchase of COBRA continuation 
+coverage through a former employer--as with the Trade Adjustment 
+Assistance health insurance tax credits--would protect some individuals 
+and families from losing coverage that includes maternity care.
+    2.  Allow states the flexibility to extend SCHIP coverage to 
+pregnant women 19 and older. Although outside the direct jurisdiction 
+of the Ways and Means Committee, extending the State Children's Health 
+Insurance Program (SCHIP) to income eligible pregnant women is a 
+modest, incremental step that would provide access to maternity 
+services for thousands of women.\8\ In 1999, 80 percent of uninsured 
+pregnant women (about 340,000) were eligible for Medicaid or SCHIP but 
+were not enrolled. If SCHIP were expanded as described, and women 
+already eligible for Medicaid were enrolled, nearly 90 percent of all 
+uninsured pregnant women would have health insurance coverage.\9\
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+    \8\ The provision to expand SCHIP to cover pregnant women is a 
+component of H.R. 3293, ``The Prevent Prematurity and Improve Child 
+Health Act'' introduced by Representative DeGette on October 15, 2003.
+    \9\ Kenneth E. Thorpe, Jennifer Flome, Peter Joski. ``The 
+Distribution of Health Insurance Coverage Among Pregnant Women, 1999.'' 
+Emory University prepared for the March of Dimes. April 2001. http://
+www.marchofdimes.com/files/2001FinalThorpeReport.pdf
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+    3.  Automatically enroll newborns whose mothers are enrolled in 
+SCHIP and provide 12 month continuous coverage. To avoid gaps in 
+coverage for medically vulnerable newborns, enrollment of infants born 
+to mothers eligible for SCHIP should begin on the child's date of birth 
+and continue uninterrupted for at least one year.
+Conclusion
+    The March of Dimes supports improving access to health coverage for 
+the 12.1 million women of childbearing age and 9.3 million children who 
+are uninsured.\10\ As the Committee considers alternative ways of 
+addressing this complex but urgent problem, we ask that you keep the 
+needs of women, especially those who are pregnant, infants and children 
+uppermost in mind.
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+    \10\ U.S. Census Bureau, March 2003 Current Population Survey. Data 
+prepared for the March of Dimes. October 2003. http://
+www.marchofdimes.com/files/census2003.pdf
+
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+                                 
+
+Statement of Sanford Cloud, Jr., National Conference for Community and 
+                                Justice
+
+    Madam Chairperson and Members of the Committee, my name is Sanford 
+Cloud, Jr., President and CEO of the National Conference for Community 
+and Justice (NCCJ). The NCCJ, founded in 1927 as the National 
+Conference for Christians and Jews, is a human relations organization 
+dedicated to fighting bias, bigotry and racism in America. With 55 
+regional offices in 32 states and the District of Columbia, NCCJ 
+promotes understanding and respect for all races, religions and 
+cultures through advocacy, conflict resolution and education. On behalf 
+of NCCJ, I am pleased to submit this testimony to the House of 
+Representatives Subcommittee on Health of the Committee on Ways and 
+Means hearing on the uninsured.
+    NCCJ has identified racial and ethnic disparities in healthcare as 
+one of our core public policy issues. Looking at healthcare in America, 
+one can see there is a racial and ethnic divide at the most basic level 
+by examining major differences in health insurance coverage by group. 
+Some facts to consider when discussing the uninsured include the 
+following:
+
+      According to the report Going Without Health Insurance: 
+Nearly One In Three Non-Elderly Americans (March 2003) released by the 
+Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (RWJ), historically underrepresented 
+racial and ethnic groups are significantly more likely to be uninsured 
+as compared to White non-Hispanic Americans. During the period 2001-
+2002, 52.2% of Hispanics and 39.3% of African Americans were uninsured, 
+compared to 23.3% of White non-Hispanics for the same period. Among 
+Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders, 17% of children and 24% of 
+adults are uninsured. According to the U.S Census Bureau, 25.5% of 
+American Indian and Alaskan Natives reported that they did not have 
+health insurance.
+      According to the same RWJ report, there were an estimated 
+39.8 million people in the U.S. population without health insurance in 
+year 2000. However, that number increased to 41.2 million in 2001, and 
+at least 50% of those are people of color. The problem is compounded 
+because those who do have insurance tend be in lower-end plans, forcing 
+them to pay greater out-of-pocket expenses and reducing their access to 
+medical specialists.
+      The disparities in health insurance coverage even exist 
+among those who receive insurance through their employers. The report 
+by the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation entitled Racial and Ethnic 
+Disparities in Access to Health Insurance and Health Care (August 2000) 
+found that only 51% of American Indians and 43% of Hispanic Americans 
+have health insurance through jobs, compared with 73% for White 
+Americans.
+
+    NCCJ is addressing this issue through our research, programming and 
+advocacy work. Studies, such as the 2002 Institute of Medicine report 
+Unequal Treatment: Confronting Racial and Ethnic Disparities in 
+Healthcare, show that the many factors contributing to the disparities, 
+but can be grouped into three main categories:
+
+      Socioeconomic disparities--It is a fact that 
+underrepresented ethnic groups and people of color are 
+disproportionately represented in lower socioeconomic ranks, lower 
+quality schools, and poorer-paying jobs. These factors lead these 
+groups to experience lower rates of insurance coverage and an inability 
+to pay for rising costs of health care.
+      Cultural differences and bias--The lack of diversity and 
+cultural understanding among health care workers contributes to 
+stereotypes and bias in our health care providers. Increasing the 
+proportion of underrepresented racial and ethnic professionals and 
+integrating cross-cultural curricula will assist caregivers to increase 
+understanding of diversity and background of their patients and 
+increase the trust of the patients in the care and caregiver.
+      Education and language barriers--Education and language 
+barriers affect the delivery of adequate care through ineffective 
+exchanges of information, misunderstanding of physician instructions, 
+or poor shared decision making. Language difficulties may also result 
+in decreased adherence to medical regimes, low appointment attendance 
+and decreased satisfaction with services.
+
+    While much of our work focuses on the non-socioeconomic factors, we 
+understand and agree that part of the solution to eliminating 
+healthcare disparities is based on increasing access to insurance or 
+other affordable healthcare in our communities of color.
+    Historically underrepresented racial and ethnic populations 
+continue to experience disproportionate rates of morbidity and 
+mortality. Reduced access to quality, affordable and culturally 
+competent healthcare services are critical factors that impact the 
+health of underrepresented ethnic groups and communities of color 
+across our nation.
+    Public perceptions of the shape, depth and dimension of healthcare 
+problems vary dramatically depending on one's own background. NCCJ, in 
+partnership with Aetna Inc., conducted a survey that documents the 
+public opinion and perceptions of the problem of racism in healthcare. 
+The report, Racial and Ethnic Disparities in Healthcare: A Public 
+Opinion Update, discusses the results.
+
+      Americans do not see racism as an isolated phenomenon: 
+they see it appearing in many aspects of daily life. In healthcare, 64% 
+view racism as a problem, with 20% saying it is a major problem.
+      41% of African Americans see racism in healthcare as a 
+major problem, as do 25% of Hispanics. Only 16% of White Americans say 
+it is a major problem.
+      Most Americans say difficulty getting healthcare because 
+of one's racial or ethnic background is not a problem for people like 
+themselves. While only one in five White Americans (21%) see this as a 
+problem, fully 45% of African Americans and 34 % of Hispanics do.
+      The public is split on how often a person's race or 
+ethnic background has an impact on whether one can get routine medical 
+care. 40% say it happens very often or somewhat often, while 49% say it 
+is an obstacle less frequently.
+      A majority of Americans (55%) say people of color receive 
+the same quality of medical care as White Americans do. Less than a 
+third (28%) disagree; saying African Americans, Hispanics, and other 
+racial and ethnic groups receive a lower quality of care. A substantial 
+majority of White Americans (63%) see no differences in the quality of 
+healthcare, while an almost equally strong majority of African 
+Americans (59%) see lower quality care for people of color. Hispanics 
+are divided on the issue.
+
+    NCCJ expresses its high hopes and expectations for the 108th 
+Congress to address the issue of healthcare disparities. Two bills 
+introduced recently, Healthcare Equality and Accountability Act of 2003 
+(S. 1833 and H.R. 3459) and Closing the Health Care Gap Act of 2004 (S. 
+2091), have the lofty goal of expanding access of quality healthcare 
+through increasing access of affordable health insurance and expanding 
+the health care safety net. With work we can rid our healthcare system 
+of bias, bigotry and racism, and create a system that is more inclusive 
+and just.
+    Thank you.
+
+                                 
+
+      Statement of the National Federation of Independent Business
+
+    On behalf of the 600,000 members of NFIB, we thank you for allowing 
+us to submit testimony today about the worsening health care crisis 
+that faces our country, as the small business community is among the 
+hardest hit. Since 1986, NFIB members have ranked the cost of health 
+insurance as their top concern.
+    America's small-business owners, whose businesses create two out of 
+every three new jobs in this country, continue to struggle with the 
+high cost of offering health insurance to their employees. Because of 
+the current structure of the health care industry, too many small-
+business owners and their employees do not have access to affordable 
+health insurance.
+    A recent Census Bureau report showed that over 43 million Americans 
+lack health coverage. That is an increase of almost 2.5 million people 
+over the previous year and the largest annual increase in more than a 
+decade. In 2002, more than 8 out of 10 uninsured Americans came from 
+working families, with nearly 70% coming from families with one or more 
+full-time workers. It is no coincidence that the uninsured figures 
+continue to rise as the cost of insurance continues to skyrocket--
+small-business owners face double-digit increases year after year, 
+pricing more of them out of the marketplace.
+    Many factors contribute to the overall cost of healthcare. Lack of 
+competition in the small group market, litigation, and mandates are 
+just some of the many cost drivers that have led us to where we are 
+today.
+    Small employers are forced to purchase in the over-regulated small 
+group market, and consequently, workers in the smallest businesses that 
+do provide health insurance pay 17 percent more on average for health 
+benefits than workers at large companies. There is inadequate 
+competition among insurance carriers. A recent GAO survey found 
+dangerously high levels of market concentration among large insurance 
+companies in the states' small group markets. This concentration 
+reduces competition and enhances insurers' underwriting gains; as 
+competition decreases, prices increase.
+    We must also address the growing cost of benefit mandates. 
+Requiring health insurance to pay for every medical treatment and 
+service covered by state mandates drives the cost so high that the 
+coverage is unaffordable, and therefore, unrealistic. More mandates 
+mean higher costs. The Council for Affordable Health Insurance says 
+that since January 1970, mandates have increased 25-fold.
+    Something must be done on the front of medical malpractice 
+litigation. The cost of malpractice lawsuits has soared in recent 
+years, pushing up insurance premiums and forcing physicians out of 
+business.
+    A government run healthcare system is not the solution, however, it 
+is still very much on the minds of some in Congress. The devil is in 
+the details, whether it comes in the form of government-run health care 
+or mandates and minimum benefit packages forced on the backs of small 
+employers.
+    The problems facing small-business owners, their employees, and 
+families must be addressed as part of the debate. We understand that no 
+one solution will help all of the 43 million uninsured, and, therefore, 
+we propose a multi-faceted approach that will help move countless 
+numbers of Americans off the rolls of those without health care 
+coverage. We are aggressively urging enactment of legislation to permit 
+Association Health Plans--AHPs--to operate nationwide. We support the 
+recently enacted Health Savings Accounts (HSAs), coupled with a high 
+deductible health care plan, as a way for small businesses and 
+individuals to lower their health care premiums. Along with HSAs, 
+individuals should be allowed to deduct 100 percent of their high 
+deductible health plan premiums, if they are not subsidized by an 
+employer plan already. Representative Crane's newly introduced bill, 
+H.R. 3901, would allow for this. Lastly, NFIB supports allowing 
+individuals to rollover Flexible Spending Account (FSA) money from year 
+to year as well as allowing individuals to use tax credits for the 
+purchase of health insurance or toward lowing the cost of their 
+employer-sponsored health insurance plan premiums.
+    Association Health Plans would allow small-business owners to band 
+together across state lines through their membership in bona fide trade 
+and professional associations to purchase health care for their 
+families and employees. Organizations such as NFIB, the U.S. Chamber of 
+Commerce, Associated Builders and Contractors, and the National 
+Restaurant Association would be able to offer insurance to their 
+members.
+    Association Health Plans will make health insurance more affordable 
+for small businesses. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated 
+that small firms obtaining health insurance through AHPs will realize 
+premium reductions of 13 percent on average. In fact, reductions range 
+from 9 percent to 25 percent. It is estimated that as many as 2.1 and 
+up to 8.5 million individuals--employees and their dependents--will 
+obtain employer-sponsored health care insurance for the first time due 
+to enacting AHP legislation.
+    HSAs will also help reduce the number of uninsured Americans by 
+allowing small businesses more choice in the current small group 
+market. For example, some small businesses have saved up to 42 percent 
+when they have chosen a Medical Savings Account (MSA) over traditional 
+insurance products; others have saved up to 60 percent using a Health 
+Reimbursement Account (HRA). Additionally, individuals who have 
+catastrophic health care coverage with a health savings account should 
+be allowed to deduct 100 percent of the premiums from their taxes. 
+HSAs, along with 100 percent deductibility, will provide small 
+businesses with more accessible, affordable options in the health 
+insurance market.
+    According to a 2001 survey, 80 percent of NFIB members believe that 
+individuals who contribute to tax-free savings accounts for health care 
+should be allowed to carry over any unused portion. Individuals should 
+be allowed to rollover any unspent funds tax-free from year to year. 
+The current limitation of ``use it or lose it'' needs to be changed to 
+allow workers to take control of health care costs and prepare for the 
+future.
+    Lastly, small business owners have told us they support tax credits 
+for individuals. With tax credits, small business owners and employees 
+without insurance currently would be more likely to purchase coverage, 
+leaving fewer people without insurance. The credit should be created in 
+a manner that it can be used toward either an individual policy or an 
+employer-sponsored policy. This would provide an opportunity for 
+choice--an employee can purchase a policy based upon his/her individual 
+health care needs. Health insurance policies purchased with the 
+proposed tax credit would also be portable, meaning employees could 
+have the benefit to carry the policy with them to another job and keep 
+the same providers of care through many years, rather than changing 
+providers with each new job.
+    We cannot afford to wait for the ``perfect'' solution. There is 
+none. The longer we delay, the more we will hear the calls for 
+government-provided health care, and certainly, that is not the perfect 
+solution.
+    Thank you for holding this hearing that continues the discussion on 
+how to solve the problem of the uninsured.
+
+                                 
+
+    Statement of Martin E. Neltner, Neltner Billing and Consulting, 
+                         Independence, Kentucky
+
+         Focus on Americans Who Lack Health Insurance Coverage
+
+EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
+
+Circle of Life and the ``Scars'' of the Health Care System
+    One can sum up the health care crises relating to the uninsured as 
+told by a story where one day my friend the farmer went to see his 
+doctor for a physical. Now this person was never sick a day in 60 
+years. The farmer noticed that everyone was so busy that he felt bad 
+when they called him back. After all he felt good with the exception of 
+a small tingle in his arm. Because the clinic was busy no one would 
+take the time to ask the pertinent questions about his health. After 
+all he looked healthily so why waste time to ask questions. Two days 
+later my friend the farmer had a stroke that ended up costing the 
+system over $100,000. So instead of the doctor spending 40 minutes and 
+billing $ 150 he spent 10 minutes and billed $60. So the circle of life 
+was broken because now my friend is laid up and he cannot work. His 
+wife can't work because he needs someone to care for him. No taxes were 
+collected on wages and he could not afford his health insurance.
+    The insurance company hassle factor of putting up roadblocks to pay 
+appropriately backfired and now we have another person who is 
+uninsured. My friend will never be insured again because now he has a 
+pre-existing condition. So if he is able to purchase health insurance 
+it will be costly and it will not cover this chronic condition that was 
+caused by to busy a doctor who is not paid appropriately for the 
+service that in the end cost everyone unnecessary costly health care. 
+Had the doctor spent the time, they would have asked the question ``do 
+you have any tingling'' the answer of yes would have prompted testing 
+and discover of his risk. Preventive measures would have occurred and 
+my friend would have return to work and continue paying his fair share 
+of being a productive citizen.
+    There are many ``Scars'' in the health care system that is causing 
+the uninsured problem. All which are easily repaired. What is needed is 
+for the ``Lion King'' to return to restore confidence, accountability 
+and responsibility. We need to invoke the principles of the
+
+                            ``OZ Principle''
+
+    The recent major increases in the premiums by the insurance 
+companies are unjustified. 35% in the past two years alone suggests an 
+out of control system. Health care is the only industry where there is 
+no accountability and everyone has lost his or her focus. Hospitals are 
+still inefficient. Doctors have lost confidence and don't care anymore. 
+It's all about the money. After all they just spent 15 years in school 
+and residency, fellowship and paid dearly with long hours of work with 
+little pay. Now they are strapped with school debt, raising families 
+etc. The average mean salary for a primary care doctor is $90,000. That 
+is an insult to the time they spent learning to care for the sick.
+    West Virginia along with other states experience a major crises in 
+malpractice. In Cincinnati, Ohio physicians closing up their practices 
+leaving town because the managed care companies would not increase the 
+pay to doctors or hospitals. A large settlement by one insurance 
+company will pay Cincinnati doctors their increases. The other two 
+payers are doing nothing and the suits continue. Charges against 
+insurance companies for Racketeering, low pay, timely payments are 
+increasing all over the country. CLEAN CLAIMS ACT. In the last five 
+years virtually every state has had to enact legislation to force 
+insurance companies to pay promptly. The legislation is called ``Clean 
+Claims Act''. The problem is the insurance companies have figured out 
+how to get around the term ``clean claim so the state legislatures had 
+to return to put teeth into the legislation.
+                                 ______
+                                 
+
+                         The Problem Summarized
+
+    1.  Physicians have lost confidence in the system. I don't care and 
+the attitude is ``they cheat me so I will cheat back''
+    2.  Hospitals should stay with core business and learn to manage 
+their resources well. Stop the kickbacks and striking deals in secret 
+joint ventures that cause unnecessary increases in health care cost.
+    3.  Patients take health care for granted. Give me a pill to fix my 
+problem. The emergency room rotation of crime, drug addicts, etc. is 
+killing our resources.
+    4.  Every one is sue happy. We need tort reform desperately.
+    5.  The coding system that is used to pay providers invites abuse. 
+It is complex and is designed to send in a 5-digit number and a 
+paycheck appears with no monitoring. Medicare is the only insurance 
+payer that has instituted audits to verify services provided.
+    6.  If hospitals and doctors would collect the small dollar 
+balances health insurance cost could be reduced by 10% to 20% alone. 
+Most providers collect only 50% of what they charge.
+    7.  Stop this nonsense of the doctor dictating a note that creates 
+worthless points to judge the level of care. Ask a doctor and he will 
+tell you 90% of the documentation created in the chart is meaningless. 
+The national coding guidelines managed by the AMA to describe physician 
+complexity in the visit service called the ``Evaluation and 
+Management'' is causing worthless documentation that cannot tell you 
+much about the patients symptoms and outcome.
+    8.  Resolve the problem of allowing aliens or illegal residents to 
+tax our health care system. The attitude is if you are sick come to 
+America and they will care for you for free.
+    9.  Pushing pill on TV is out of control. I don't need the V drug
+                                 ______
+                                 
+
+                              The Solution
+
+                   Accountability and Responsibility
+
+Practicing the OZ Principle ``Getting Results Through Individual and 
+        Organizational Accountability \1\
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+    \1\ The OZ Principle, Roger Connors, Tom Smith, Craig Hickman.
+
+     1.  Restore confidence in the providers who control the spending 
+of the health care dollars by paying more to evaluate the patient 
+symptoms. Make the providers justify their care in a simple 
+documentation process that promotes positive outcomes. I can show you 
+how this would work.
+     2.  Patients must be held accountable for their health. Employers 
+and employees should work together to reduce health care risk.
+     3.  Counter the pushing of pills on TV with more how to care for 
+your health in a natural way.
+     4.  Use Medicare as a model for insurance companies to follow in 
+claims processing. Their system is the best.
+     5.  Better tort reform.
+     6.  Medicare should go into the claims processing business. 
+Insurance companies could contract with Medicare to use their system. 
+Here is an approach based on fact and outcomes. This will offset 
+Medicare administrative cost.
+     7.  Berlin Wall Theory. Require insurance companies to justify 
+their cost. Require meaningful audits of insurance company books. Open 
+the door to hearing about complaints from providers and allow 
+meaningful dialogue to stop abuse, pay promptly and restore confidence 
+between the two parties looking over the Berlin Wall.
+     8.  Allow a simple process for providers to report health care 
+payment abuse. The state department of insurance is worthless.
+     9.  Encourage employers to install wellness programs for their 
+employees.
+    10.  Encourage employers to take positive action and for God's sake 
+we should not wait for the government to solve our health care problem.
+
+    The only way to insure those with out insurance is to lower the 
+premium and spread the risk among a lot of people. This is how the 
+system worked before 1984. Ask several insurance companies to pull 
+their resources, and insure those with out insurance. Work with 
+providers to install meaningful systems that reward for symptom 
+management.
+                                 ______
+                                 
+
+                             Other Comments
+
+     1.  The physician's pen can be the best tool to curtail health 
+care cost.
+     2.  Pay the physician appropriately for spending time evaluating 
+the patient symptom and developing a plan of action.
+     3.  Stop these foolish audits that derive no benefit. Physicians 
+are scared to code appropriately.
+     4.  The system encourages doctors to see more patients in volume. 
+Its all about quantity and not quality. Refer to graph below.
+     5.  Profiteers in the industry that built small insurance plans 
+100,000 or less that were purchased and repurchased causing more cost 
+in the system.
+     6.  The charge for the service commonly referred to as the single 
+fee schedule. The phony dollar of what the service is worth. The 
+average industry collection rate.
+
+         a.  Hospitals are paid 30% to 50% of gross charge.
+         b.  Doctors are paid 30% to 60% of the single fee schedule.
+
+     7.  NO ONE IN THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM KNOWS WHAT IT COST TO PROVIDE 
+THE SERVICE. NO ONE KNOW S WHAT THEIR PROFIT MARGIN SHOULD BE?
+     8.  Insurance company claims processing is a shamble.
+
+         a.  More insurance companies over pay than what you can 
+imagine. Doctors and hospitals play catch me if you can.
+         b.  Referrals and authorizations. This system created by the 
+insurance companies is become a legal way to steal from the health care 
+provider.
+         c.  THE AMA CODING SYSTEM INVITES ABUSE.
+
+     9.  Patients demanding more but will not take care of themselves.
+    10.  As an employer every time I try to create a system that 
+promotes healthily life styles I get bomb bared with obstacles by the 
+government employees rules that say I cannot do this or that because it 
+discriminates against some one else in the organization.
+
+         a.  As an employer of 84 staff here are my stats.
+
+     i.  40% are over weigh.
+     ii.  40% eat and drink.
+     iii.  10% drink excessively after work.
+     iv.  10% are chronic depressed.
+     v.  5% have worthless spouses who milk the health care system
+     vi.  65% of my employee smoke
+     vii.  There are approximately 10 healthy people in the 
+organization.
+     viii.  Absentee is very high, kids are always sick or employee is 
+sick. I have ten employees to cover for the 80 employees who call in 
+sick.
+
+                                                  Office Visit
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+                                                AMA
+                                            recommended    Visits per     Physician                    Consider
+                                              time per       hour 60       time per     Compared to    this the
+                                               visit                        visit                       range
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Level one                                        5           12               3            2.4               ok
+Level two                                       10            6               5            4.8               ok
+Level three                                     15            4               8            7.2               ok
+Level four                                      20            3              10            9.6               ok
+Level Five                                      40            1.5            15           19.2               ??
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+
+                                     As it relates to the RVU of each visit
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+                                                     AMA recommended
+                                                      time per visit     Physician time 48%     Staff time 52%
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Level one                                                   5                    2.4                  2.6
+Level two                                                  10                    4.8                  5.2
+Level three                                                15                    7.2                  7.8
+Level four                                                 20                    9.6                 10.4
+Level Five                                                 40                   19.2                 20.8
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+    So it appears that a physician could see double the number of 
+patients as recommended by the AMA guidelines since in reality his 
+staff is assisting with the evaluation to the degree his efficiency is 
+improved and more billable patients per day are realized.
+
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+                                                                Level II    Level III
+                                                       Hours   phy time 5     Phy 7     Level IV 10  Level V  15
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Patients per hour                                                      12            9            6            4
+  8 till 12                                                4           48           34           24           16
+  1 till 5                                                 4           48           34           24           16
+    Total patients per day                                             96           69           48           32
+Payment per service                                                    34           48           75           91
+Payment per day                                                 $3,264.00    $3,291.43    $3,600.00    $2,912.00
+Works 4 days a week                                                     4            4            4            4
+                                                               $13,056.00   $13,165.71   $14,400.00   $11,648.00
+Weeks worked                                                           48           48           48           48
+                                                              $626,688.00  $631,954.29  $691,200.00  $559,104.00
+Take home rate                                                       0.52         0.52         0.52         0.52
+Take home                                                     $325,877.76  $328,616.23  $359,424.00  $290,734.08
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+
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+
+