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+[House Hearing, 108 Congress]
+[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office]
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+                        PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT:
+                    STRENGTHENING HOMELAND SECURITY
+                   BY EXERCISING TERRORISM SCENARIOS
+
+=======================================================================
+
+                                HEARING
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+
+                               before the
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+                 SELECT COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY
+                        HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
+
+                      ONE HUNDRED EIGHTH CONGRESS
+
+                             SECOND SESSION
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+                               __________
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+                              JUlY 8, 2004
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+                               __________
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+                           Serial No. 108-53
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+                 SELECT COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY
+
+
+
+                 Christopher Cox, California, Chairman
+
+Jennifer Dunn, Washington            Jim Turner, Texas, Ranking Member
+C.W. Bill Young, Florida             Bennie G. Thompson, Mississippi
+Don Young, Alaska                    Loretta Sanchez, California
+F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr.,         Edward J. Markey, Massachusetts
+Wisconsin                            Norman D. Dicks, Washington
+David Dreier, California             Barney Frank, Massachusetts
+Duncan Hunter, California            Jane Harman, California
+Harold Rogers, Kentucky              Benjamin L. Cardin, Maryland
+Sherwood Boehlert, New York          Louise McIntosh Slaughter, New 
+Joe Barton, Texas                    York
+Lamar S. Smith, Texas                Peter A. DeFazio, Oregon
+Curt Weldon, Pennsylvania            Nita M. Lowey, New York
+Christopher Shays, Connecticut       Robert E. Andrews, New Jersey
+Porter J. Goss, Florida              Eleanor Holmes Norton, District of 
+Dave Camp, Michigan                  Columbia
+Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Florida         Zoe Lofgren, California
+Bob Goodlatte, Virginia              Karen McCarthy, Missouri
+Ernest J. Istook, Jr., Oklahoma      Sheila Jackson-Lee, Texas
+Peter T. King, New York              Bill Pascrell, Jr., New Jersey
+John Linder, Georgia                 Donna M. Christensen, U.S. Virgin 
+John B. Shadegg, Arizona             Islands
+Mark E. Souder, Indiana              Bob Etheridge, North Carolina
+Mac Thornberry, Texas                Ken Lucas, Kentucky
+Jim Gibbons, Nevada                  James R. Langevin, Rhode Island
+Kay Granger, Texas                   Kendrick B. Meek, Florida
+Pete Sessions, Texas                 Ben Chandler, Kentucky
+John E. Sweeney, New York
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+                      John Gannon, Chief of Staff
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+       Stephen DeVine, Deputy Staff Director and General Counsel
+
+           Thomas Dilenge, Chief Counsel and Policy Director
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+               David H. Schanzer, Democrat Staff Director
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+             Mark T. Magee, Democrat Deputy Staff Director
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+                    Michael S. Twinchek, Chief Clerk
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+                                  (II)
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+                            C O N T E N T S
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+                                                                   Page
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+                               STATEMENTS
+
+The Honorable Christopher Cox, a Representative in Congress From 
+  the State of California, and Chairman, Select Committee on 
+  Homeland Security:
+  Oral Statement.................................................     1
+  Prepared Statement.............................................     2
+The Honorable Jim Turner, a Representative in Congress From the 
+  State of Texas, Ranking Member, Select Committee on Homeland 
+  Security:
+  Oral Statement.................................................     2
+  Prepared Statement.............................................     4
+The Honorable Robert E. Andrews, a Representative in Congress 
+  From the State of New Jersey...................................    41
+The Honorable Donna M. Christensen, a Delegate in Congress From 
+  the U.S. Virgin Islands........................................    44
+The Honorable Norman D. Dicks, a Representative in Congress From 
+  the State of Washington........................................    38
+The Honorable Jennifer Dunn, a Representative in Congress From 
+  the State of Washington........................................     5
+The Honorable Jim Gibbons, a Representative in Congress From the 
+  State of Nevada................................................    36
+The Honorable Bennie G. Thompson, a Representative in Congress 
+  From the State of Mississippi..................................    34
+
+                               WITNESSES
+
+Mr. Thomas O. Mefford, Director, DuPage County Office of Homeland 
+  Security and Emergency Management State of Illinois:
+  Oral Statement.................................................    22
+  Prepared Statement.............................................    24
+
+Ms. C. Suzanne Mencer, Executive Director, Office for State and 
+  Local Government Coordination and Preparedness, Department of 
+  Homeland Security:
+  Oral Statement.................................................     6
+  Prepared Statement.............................................     8
+
+Accompanied by:
+Mr. Corey D. Gruber, Associate Director, Office for Domestic 
+  Preparedness, Department of Homeland Security..................    28
+
+Mr. Clark S. Kimerer, Deputy Chief of Operations, Seattle Police 
+  Department, Seattle Washington:
+  Oral Statement.................................................    16
+  Prepared Statement.............................................    18
+
+                                APPENDIX
+
+Material Submitted for the Record:
+  Questions for Ms. C. Suzanne Mencer............................    47
+  Prepared Statement of Advanced Systems Technology, Inc48 
+
+
+                        PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT:
+
+
+
+   STRENGTHENING HOMELAND SECURITY BY EXERCISING TERRORISM SCENARIOS
+
+                              ----------                              
+
+
+                         Thursday, July 8, 2004
+
+                          House of Representatives,
+                     Select Committee on Homeland Security,
+                                                    Washington, DC.
+    The committee met, pursuant to call, at 1:11 p.m., in room 
+210, Cannon House Office Building, Hon. Christopher Cox 
+[chairman of the committee] presiding.
+    Present: Representatives Cox, Dunn, Camp, Gibbons, Turner, 
+Thompson, Dicks, Andrews, Lofgren, McCarthy, Christensen, 
+Etheridge, Lucas and Langevin.
+    Chairman Cox. Welcome. The Select Committee on Homeland 
+Security will come to order. The committee is meeting today to 
+examine how terrorism preparedness exercises function in 
+strengthening the Federal, State and local government homeland 
+security response capabilities.
+    In order to allow us to hear from our witnesses more 
+quickly, I would ask members to waive or limit the duration of 
+oral opening statements. Those who are present within 5 minutes 
+of the gavel and waive their opening statements will be 
+allotted 3 additional minutes for questioning the panel. If 
+members have written statements, they may be included in the 
+hearing record.
+    As most of you know, this committee recently reported 
+H.R.266, the Faster and Smarter Funding For First Responders 
+Act. This bill authorizes $3.4 billion annually to aid first 
+responders in both preventing and responding to acts of 
+terrorism through improved planning, equipment, training and 
+exercises. We expect this important bill to be considered on 
+the House floor shortly.
+    Today, we examine how one part of the grant funds 
+authorized by this bill will be used to strengthen our Nation 
+through terrorism preparedness exercises. Scenario-based 
+training is critical to an effective counterterrorism program 
+because the terrorist threat is often not visible. We need to 
+remind ourselves through training of how real and enduring this 
+threat is, as we were reminded again today by Secretary Ridge. 
+The stakes are high.
+    In evaluating FEMA's response to the Oklahoma City bombing, 
+the General Accounting Office cited a number of unique 
+terrorism-related challenges. The arrival agencies on the scene 
+weren't coordinated in their times of arrival. There was a 
+clear need to better integrate typical law enforcement 
+functions, such as preserving the chain of evidence, with 
+typical disaster response and recovery functions, such as 
+clearing rubble.
+    The mission to create a national strategy for terrorism 
+preparedness exercises began with President Bush's national 
+strategy for homeland security. It was codified in the Homeland 
+Security Act, which gave the Department of Homeland Security 
+the specific responsibility to coordinate preparedness efforts, 
+as well as to work with State and local entities on exercises 
+to combat terrorism.
+    In response to this mandate, the Department has focused on 
+two areas, national programs and State and local programs. The 
+national program focuses broadly on the Federal Government's 
+response and coordination of Federal, State and local 
+resources. For example, the TOPOFF exercise series takes place 
+over multiple days and tests the ability of several communities 
+to respond to weapons of mass destruction. TOPOFF 2 was 
+conducted almost 1 year ago and involved over 20,000 
+participants, over 25 Federal, State and local agencies and 
+departments and the government of Canada.
+    We are fortunate to have with us today key participants in 
+the 2003 TOPOFF 2 exercises from both the Chicago and Seattle 
+sites. I look forward to hearing the assessments of our 
+witnesses on the strengths and weaknesses of the TOPOFF 
+exercise.
+    TOPOFF 2 cost $16 million, but it provided valuable 
+lessons. Agencies were able to rehearse for the first time the 
+actions they would take when the homeland security advisory 
+system is elevated to red. Should highways be closed? Should 
+airports be closed? Who is going to make these decisions? The 
+exercise allowed us to see the consequences of making these 
+very decisions. Similarly, the original TOPOFF exercise 
+revealed difficulties in distributing the strategic national 
+stockpile.
+    Since then, HHS, DHS, and State and local governments have 
+focused on remedying these problems; and we are now better 
+prepared to deliver and distribute the stockpile than we were 
+before TOPOFF.
+    The Department clearly needs a robust terrorism 
+preparedness exercise program. It needs a program that is 
+coordinated across the Department and is programmed to share 
+data and lessons learned with State and local governments and, 
+when appropriate, with the private sector. It is our intent to 
+codify and expand some of these exercise program elements in 
+the committee's first-ever DHS authorization bill.
+    We are fortunate today to have representatives from the 
+front lines in this terrorism preparedness effort, from the 
+Department of Homeland Security, from the Seattle Police 
+Department and from the DuPage County Office of Emergency 
+Management. I look forward to hearing your thoughts and 
+testimony today.
+
+          Prepared Statement of the Honorable Christopher Cox
+
+    As most of you know, this Committee recently reported out H.R. 
+3266, The Faster and Smarter Funding for First Responders Act. This 
+bill authorizes a $3.4 billion annually to aid first responders in both 
+preventing and responding to acts of terrorism--through improved 
+planning, equipment, training, and exercises. We expect this important 
+bill to be considered on the House floor shortly.
+    Today, we examine how one part of the grant funds authorized by 
+this bill will be used to strength,en our Nation through terrorism 
+preparedness exercises. Scenario-based training is critical to an 
+effective counterterrorism program because the terrorist threat is 
+often not visible and complacency can easily set in. We need to remind 
+ourselves through training of how real and enduring this threat is--as 
+we were reminded again this morning by Secretary Ridge. The stakes are 
+high. In evaluating FEMA's response to the Oklahoma City bombing, GAO 
+cited a number of unique, terrorism-related challenges. The arrival 
+agencies on the scene were not coordinated. There was a clear need to 
+better integrate typical law enforcement functions, like preserving the 
+chain of evidence, with typical disaster response and recovery 
+functions, like clearing rubble.
+    The mission to create a national strategy for terrorism 
+preparedness exercises began with President Bush's National Strategy 
+for Homeland Security and was codified in the Homeland Security Act, 
+which gave DHS the specific responsibility to coordinate preparedness 
+efforts at the Federal level, as well as to work with state and local 
+entities on exercises to combat terrorism. In response to this mandate, 
+the Department has focused on two areas--national programs and state 
+and local programs.
+    The National Program focuses broadly on the Federal Government's 
+response and coordination of federal, state and local resources. For 
+example, the TOPOFF exercise series takes place over multiple days and 
+tests the ability of several communities to respond to weapons of mass 
+destruction. TOPOFF 2 was conducted almost one year ago, and involved 
+over 20,000 participants, and over 25 federal, state, and local 
+agencies and departments, and the Canadian Government. We are fortunate 
+to have with us today key participants in the 2003 TOPOFF 2 exercises 
+from both the Chicago and Seattle sites. I look forward to hearing the 
+assessments of our witnesses as to the strengths and weaknesses of the 
+TOPOFF exercise.
+    TOPOFF 2 cost $16 million, but it provided valuable lessons. 
+Agencies were able to rehearse, for the first time, the actions they 
+would take when the Homeland Security Advisory System is elevated to 
+Red. Should highways be closed? Should airports be closed? Who would 
+make these decisions? The exercise allowed us to see the consequences 
+of making these very decisions. Similarly, the original TOPOFF exercise 
+revealed difficulties in distributing the Strategic National Stockpile. 
+Since then, HHS, DHS and state and local governments have focused on 
+remedying these problems, and we are now better prepared to deliver and 
+distribute the Stockpile than we were before TOPOFF.
+    The Department clearly needs a robust terrorism-preparedness 
+exercise program. It needs a program that is coordinated across the 
+Department and is programmed to share data and lessons learned with 
+state and local governments and, when appropriate, with the private 
+sector. It is our intent to codify and expand some of these exercise 
+program elements in the Committee's first-ever DHS authorization bill.
+    We are fortunate today to have representatives from the front lines 
+in this terrorism preparedness effort--from the Department of Homeland 
+Security, the Seattle Police Department and the DuPage County Office of 
+Emergency Management. I look forward to hearing your thoughts and 
+testimony today.
+
+    I now recognize the Ranking Member, Jim Turner of Texas, 
+for an opening statement.
+    Mr. Turner. Thank you, Mr. Chairman; and welcome to all of 
+our witnesses. We look forward to hearing about your experience 
+with the TOPOFF exercise series. I think it is very critical 
+that we do these kind of exercises, and I know that you will 
+have some good reports and information to share with us about 
+the exercises that have been conducted to date. There is no 
+doubt that effective exercises at all levels of government will 
+help us to be prepared in the event of a terrorist attack, and 
+I commend you on your efforts and your work in this area.
+    There are several issues that I hope you will try to 
+address in your comments to us today.
+    First, I am concerned about how we develop the scenarios 
+for the exercises. Do we rely upon the intelligence 
+information, the threat, and the vulnerability assessments that 
+our Department of Homeland Security is supposed to be 
+preparing? Or do the scenarios come from some other source? If 
+we are not using the threat and vulnerability information, it 
+seems to me that we are not conducting the exercises that we 
+may need to be conducting; and I would like to hear how the 
+scenario development process occurs.
+    Second, I would like to know a little bit about how the 
+Department of Homeland Security measures the effectiveness of 
+these exercises. What readiness level are you seeking to 
+achieve? How does the conduct of an exercise contribute to our 
+State and local governments' overall preparedness? And, 
+following an exercise, do the Department and the participating 
+State and locality have a clear understanding of what 
+additional planning, training, and equipment is necessary to 
+prepare that impacted community for that kind of terrorist 
+incident?
+    Third, I would be interested in knowing if the actual--or 
+if the conduct of these exercises has actually led to fixing 
+any of the problems that were discovered.
+    The exercise I understand we are going to hear about today 
+occurred about a year ago, in May of 2003; and it would be 
+interesting to know not only how the exercise was carried out 
+but, perhaps more importantly, how DHS and the Cities of 
+Seattle and Chicago have addressed the shortfalls that were 
+uncovered through the exercise.
+    It is my understanding that the after action report for 
+that exercise revealed that there was little understanding of 
+inter--or intra-agency command and control protocols, that many 
+exercise players did not fully understand their reporting 
+relationships with Federal officials, that a number of major 
+pre-existing interagency Federal plans and processes were 
+circumvented during the exercise. There were logistical 
+difficulties accessing DHS assets and resources, and there was 
+a lack of a robust and efficient emergency communications 
+infrastructure in the Chicago hospital system that impeded 
+response.
+    All of those issues seem to be important, and the more 
+interesting side of your testimony would be what have we done 
+since that exercise to solve those uncovered problems. So I 
+would appreciate a description of what lessons we learned and 
+how have we responded to them.
+    So thank you so much for being here, and we appreciate very 
+much the good work that you are doing. Thank you.
+
+                    Prepared Statement of Jim Turner
+
+    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
+    Director Mencer, welcome back. Mr. Mefferd and Mr. Kimmerer, 
+welcome to Washington. Thank you all for appearing before the Select 
+Committee today, and I look forward to your testimony on the Department 
+of Homeland Security's exercise programs, and specifically the TOPOFF 
+exercise series.
+    The Department of Homeland Security, and particularly the Office 
+for Domestic Preparedness, plays a crucial role in preparing our 
+country to win the war on terror. It oversees a range of programs to 
+prepare our first responders, individually, and our communities, more 
+broadly, to prepare for and respond to acts of terrorism. It is 
+critical that the job is done right.
+    Effective exercises at all levels of government are a key component 
+of our terrorism preparedness activities. The Arlington County, 
+Virginia Fire Department's after-action report on their response to the 
+9-11 attack noted that frequent training and exercises with the Federal 
+Bureau of Investigation, the Pentagon, and the Military District of 
+Washington made a substantial contribution to their successful response 
+operation.
+    Therefore, the Department is to be commended for its commitment to 
+a robust exercise program, particularly the TOPOFF program, and for the 
+efforts it has undertaken to provide state and local governments with 
+guidance on developing and conducting exercises.
+    However, there are several issues that I would like you to address 
+either in your testimony or in response to the Committee's questions.
+    First, I am concerned that in the development of exercise 
+scenarios, DHS does not utilize threat and vulnerability information to 
+guide its choice of either the location of the incident, or the mode of 
+terrorist attack. Why don't the TOPOFF exercises focus on what the 
+intelligence assessment indicates is a city's highest vulnerability? I 
+am afraid that Department's inability to develop a comprehensive threat 
+and vulnerability assessment--which has been noted by this Committee on 
+numerous occasions--has a significant, negative impact on the conduct 
+of your exercise program.
+    Second, how is DHS measuring the effectiveness of its exercise 
+program? What ``readiness'' level are you seeking to achieve in the 
+exercise venues, and how does the conduct of an exercise contribute to 
+a state or local government's overall preparedness? Following an 
+exercise, do DHS and the participating states and localities have a 
+clear understanding of what additional planning, training, and 
+equipment are necessary to fully prepare the impacted communities?
+    Third, while the actual conduct of exercises is important, it is 
+equally important to fix the problems revealed by the exercise. The 
+TOPOFF exercise we will hear about today took place over a year ago, in 
+May of 2003. At this point, while I am interested in how the exercise 
+was carried out, I am much more interested in how both DHS and the 
+cities of Seattle and Chicago addressed any shortfalls in their 
+response operations. For example, the after-action report for the 
+TOPOFF 2 exercises noted the following:
+         There was little understanding of inter- and intra-
+        agency command and control protocols, and many exercise players 
+        did not fully understand the reporting relationships among 
+        federal officials;
+         A number of major, pre-existing interagency federal 
+        plans and processes were circumvented during the exercise;
+         There were logistical difficulties accessing DHS 
+        assets and resources; and
+         A lack of a robust and efficient emergency 
+        communications infrastructure in Chicago's hospital system 
+        impeded response, and resource demands challenged these 
+        hospitals throughout the exercise.
+    I am interested in understanding how you have improved your 
+operations since the exercise to assure us, and the nation, that in the 
+event of a real terrorist attack, we will not repeat the same mistakes. 
+Therefore, I would appreciate a description of how any lessons learned 
+from the exercise have been incorporated into either the Department's, 
+or your city's, day-to-day policy decisions, and the specific 
+corrective actions you have undertaken to remedy any operational 
+deficiencies.
+    Finally, I am not convinced that the Department is taking full 
+advantage of the exercise knowledge and expertise resident in a number 
+of its components, such as FEMA and the Coast Guard. These agencies 
+were conducting multi-agency, intergovernmental exercises long before 
+the Department of Homeland Security was created. I recognize that the 
+Office for Domestic Preparedness has been tasked with managing the 
+National Exercise Program; however, DHS must begin the process of 
+integrating the vast resources under its control to build the most 
+effective programs.
+    As you can see, I have many questions and concerns about the 
+Department's exercise program. I hope that in addition to describing 
+your experiences in the TOPOFF 2 exercise, you can directly address the 
+questions I have raised. Thank you for being here, and I look forward 
+to your testimony.
+
+    Chairman Cox. Thank the gentleman.
+    The Chair recognizes the Vice Chairwoman of the full 
+committee, Jennifer Dunn of Washington.
+    Ms. Dunn. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman; and we are 
+delighted that you are here with us today, panel. We look 
+forward--having heard bits and pieces of what happens as a 
+result of the analysis of TOPOFF--to seeing the big picture in 
+your eyes.
+    Mr. Chairman, we are especially lucky today to have a local 
+official from my hometown and my State of Washington, Deputy 
+Chief Clark Kimerer, who is number two at the Seattle Police 
+Department, on this panel today; and he will bring a unique 
+perspective because he was actually there on the ground in May 
+of last year at the TOPOFF 2 exercise. He started at the 
+Seattle Police Department in 1983 as an officer; and now, as 
+Deputy Chief of Operations, he oversees the Investigation and 
+Emergency Preparedness Bureau.
+    Chief Kimerer, you recognize some of the people on this 
+panel because some of them met with you when we were in town 
+for a field hearing last fall; and we appreciate your coming 
+back to Washington, D.C., to discuss with us again in more 
+detail the perspective of those who were on the ground in 
+Seattle the day of TOPOFF 2. We look forward to your testimony.
+    With that, Mr. Chairman, I will yield back.
+    Chairman Cox. I thank the gentlelady.
+    Are there further opening statements?
+    If not, I now ask unanimous consent that a video from the 
+Department of Homeland Security be shown at this time. Without 
+objection, so ordered.
+    [Video played.]
+    Chairman Cox. That video, of course, reflects what we 
+actually conducted as an exercise during TOPOFF 2. It was I 
+think quite clearly prepared by the Department of Homeland 
+Security and sets the stage for the testimony of our next 
+witnesses by providing a visual representation of how exercises 
+are designed and conducted.
+    We will now hear testimony from our three witnesses; and I 
+want to remind our witnesses that, under our committee rules, 
+they should strive to limit their opening remarks to 5 minutes. 
+Each witness's entire written statement, at full length, will 
+appear in the record. We will also allow the entire panel to 
+testify before the questioning of any witness.
+    Chairman Cox. The Chair now recognizes our first witness, 
+Ms. Suzanne Mencer, Executive Director of the Office for State 
+and Local Government Coordination and Preparedness of the 
+Department of Homeland Security. Miss Mencer, welcome.
+
+                 STATEMENT OF C. SUZANNE MENCER
+
+    Ms. Mencer. Thank you very much, Chairman Cox. I appreciate 
+the opportunity to be here today.
+    It is certainly my pleasure, on behalf of Secretary Ridge, 
+to talk about our homeland security exercise programs. I want 
+to thank you, Mr. Chairman, and all the members of this 
+committee for your ongoing support for the Department of 
+Homeland Security, for the Office for Domestic Preparedness and 
+for the new consolidated Office of State and Local Government 
+Coordination and Preparedness. Congress has long been a 
+champion of rigorous exercise programs as an important 
+contributor to our Nation's preparedness, and made early and 
+critical investments in what have today become very highly 
+successful programs.
+    Over the past 6 years, SLGCP, which is our very long 
+acronym, has supported nearly 400 exercises. We conduct these 
+exercises in the firm belief that they are a cornerstone of 
+preparedness. Our experience and data show that exercises are a 
+practical, efficient and cost-effective way to prepare for 
+crises. They test our resilience, identify procedural 
+difficulties and provide a plan for corrective actions without 
+the penalties that might be incurred in a real crisis. Short of 
+an actual incident, exercises provide the ``final test'' for 
+our preparedness.
+    SLGCP provides exercise support through its Homeland 
+Security Exercise and Evaluation Program. Through this program, 
+SLGCP State exercise managers and support teams work with 
+States, Territories and designated urban areas to help 
+establish exercise programs and develop a multi-year exercise 
+schedule. On average, States plan about 20 exercises a year.
+    In addition, as you know, Mr. Chairman, at the direction of 
+Congress, SLGCP has conducted two Top Officials, or TOPOFF, 
+national exercises that involved the participation of all key 
+personnel who would participate in an actual terrorist event. 
+The first exercise in May 2000 was, at the time, the largest 
+counterterrorism exercise ever conducted in the United States, 
+with over 6,000 participants. The States of New Hampshire and 
+Colorado served as our pioneer venues.
+    Then, last year, just 2 months after the Department of 
+Homeland Security was established, Secretary Ridge personally 
+led his team and the Nation through a week-long TOPOFF 2 full-
+scale exercise. Sixteen major exercise activities were 
+conducted in the States of Washington and Illinois for 103 
+Federal, State, local and international departments and 
+agencies. These exercises involved 20,000 domestic and 
+international participants, including senior U.S. and Canadian 
+government officials.
+    Following TOPOFF 2, Secretary Ridge directed my office to 
+develop a comprehensive national homeland security exercise 
+program. Congress has provided the resources necessary to build 
+a program that will ensure that the homeland security community 
+is trained, practiced and able to perform its assigned homeland 
+security missions.
+    Implementation of this program is well under way, including 
+the design and development of a third TOPOFF exercise. TOPOFF 
+3, which will involve the States of New Jersey and Connecticut 
+and the governments of the United Kingdom and Canada, promises 
+to be the largest, most productive exercise ever conducted by 
+the United States and its allies.
+    In addition to direct exercise support, we have also worked 
+with our Federal, State and local partners to develop exercise 
+policy and doctrine. We have produced a series of manuals and 
+compiled hundreds of exercise references that are available 
+through a secure but unclassified Web portal we established for 
+the homeland security community. We have been hard at work 
+evaluating models, simulations and games to identify products 
+that meet training and exercise needs when large-scale 
+exercises are impractical, and to augment and extend existing 
+programs; and we have established a national network of lessons 
+learned and best practices for emergency response providers and 
+homeland security officials. All this information is available 
+through the secure but unclassified Web portal that we 
+established for our homeland security community.
+    In closing, I would like to provide just one illustration 
+of the value of exercises to our Nation's preparedness. On the 
+morning of September 11, 2001, one of our exercise teams was in 
+New York City, preparing to assist Mayor Giuliani and his team 
+to conduct a full-scale bioterrorism exercise that was 
+scheduled for the next day. This exercise would have involved 
+upwards of 700 police officers and firefighters. On September 
+11th, when the City's emergency operations center went down in 
+the World Trade Center attack, the exercise venue, Pier 92, 
+became the response and recovery nerve center. Mayor Giuliani 
+later described what a robust exercise program meant to the 
+City. ``We did not anticipate'', he said, ``that airliners 
+would be commandeered and turned into guided missiles. But the 
+fact that we practiced for other kinds of disasters made us far 
+more prepared to handle a catastrophe that nobody envisioned.''
+    Let me restate the strong commitment of both Secretary 
+Ridge and myself to the support of exercises as a cornerstone 
+of America's homeland security preparedness. We look forward to 
+continuing to work with you, Mr. Chairman, and members of this 
+committee and Congress, to insure that our Nation's first 
+responders are fully prepared to protect our home towns and our 
+homeland.
+    This concludes my statement, and I will be happy to respond 
+to any questions that you or members the committee might have. 
+And I did bring along Corey Gruber, who was the voice of a lot 
+of that video, who lived through both TOPOFF exercises and is 
+here to talk about it. Thank you very much.
+    Chairman Cox. Thank you very much.
+    [The statement of Ms. Mencer follows:]
+
+                Prepared Statement of C. Suzanne Mencer
+
+    Chairman Cox, Congressman Turner, and Members of the Committee, my 
+name is Sue Mencer, and I serve as Director of the Department of 
+Homeland Security's (DHS) Office for State and Local Government 
+Coordination and Preparedness (SLGCP). On behalf of Secretary Ridge, it 
+is my pleasure to appear before you today to discuss our homeland 
+security exercise programs.
+    I want to thank you, Mr. Chairman, and all the members of the 
+Committee, for your ongoing support for the Department and for SLGCP. 
+Congress has long been a champion of rigorous exercise programs as an 
+important contributor to our nation's preparedness, and made early and 
+critical investments in what have become today's highly successful 
+programs. You and your colleagues have entrusted us with a great 
+responsibility in administering these efforts for the nation, and we 
+are meeting that charge with the utmost diligence.
+    Mr. Chairman, since its creation in 1998, the Office for Domestic 
+Preparedness (ODP), now consolidated with the Office of State and Local 
+Government Coordination as the Office of State and Local Government 
+Coordination and Preparedness (SLGCP), has provided assistance through 
+its preparedness programs to all 50 States, the District of Columbia, 
+the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and the U.S. territories. By the end 
+of Fiscal Year 2004, SLGCP will have provided States and localities 
+with more than $8.1 billion in assistance and direct support, trained 
+550,000 emergency responders from more than 5,000 jurisdictions and 
+directly supported nearly 400 exercises.
+    We conduct these exercises in the firm belief that they are a 
+cornerstone of preparedness. Our experience and data show that 
+exercises are a practical, efficient, and cost-effective way to prepare 
+for crises. They test our resilience, identify procedural difficulties, 
+and provide a plan for corrective actions to improve capabilities 
+without the penalties that might be incurred in a real crisis. They are 
+a tangible measure of accountability in the repetitive cycle of 
+planning, training, exercising, and assessing our homeland security 
+capabilities. Short of an actual incident, they provide the "final 
+test" for our preparedness.
+    Congress has played a critical role in laying the foundation for 
+our current programs. In 1996, Congress authorized the Nunn-Lugar-
+Domenici Domestic Preparedness Program, an unprecedented undertaking 
+which provided training, equipment, technical assistance and exercises 
+focused on the threat posed by weapons of mass destruction to 120 of 
+the nation's largest urban areas. This effort was initially 
+administered by the Department of Defense and subsequently transferred 
+to our Office. Each city received direct support in the design, 
+development, conduct and evaluation of a series of three exercises, 
+including a full-scale (or field) exercise. This Program was the 
+forerunner for many of our current initiatives.
+    Today, SLGCP has organized exercise support for States and 
+communities into Eastern, Central, and Western Regions through its 
+Homeland Security Exercise and Evaluation Program. States are required 
+to adopt the Program for exercises conducted with Federal grant funds. 
+State Exercise Managers and support teams are assigned to each Region. 
+Exercise Managers conduct Exercise Planning Workshops with States, 
+Territories, and designated urban areas to aid in program establishment 
+and development of a multi-year exercise schedule. On average, states 
+have planned twenty annual exercises.
+    Congress has also led the establishment of exercise programs for 
+our nation's leaders. In 1999 Congress directed that a Top Officials 
+(``TOPOFF'') National Exercise be conducted with the participation ``of 
+all key personnel who would participate in an actual terrorist event.'' 
+The first TOPOFF, a full-scale exercise in May 2000 was, at the time, 
+the largest combating terrorism exercise ever conducted in the United 
+States. Over 6,000 participants from federal, state and local 
+departments and agencies, including Cabinet officials participated. The 
+States of New Hampshire and Colorado served as our pioneer venues for 
+the first TOPOFF exercise.
+    Again thanks to Congress, the second TOPOFF was a tremendous 
+advancement. We were provided with additional funding so we could 
+design and conduct a full two-year cycle of exercise activities of 
+increasing complexity. Sixteen major exercise activities were conducted 
+for 103 Federal, State, local and international departments and 
+agencies and 20,000 domestic and international participants, including 
+senior officials of the USG and Government of Canada. The States of 
+Washington and Illinois were our full partners and provided our 
+exercise venues. Through the use of distance learning methodologies, we 
+were able to broadcast elements of the exercise series to audiences 
+across the nation. Secretary Ridge personally led his team and the 
+nation through the week-long TOPOFF 2 full-scale exercise just two 
+months after the Department of Homeland Security was established. This 
+proved to be an invaluable opportunity for the Department and its 
+partners across government to train key personnel in their new homeland 
+security roles and responsibilities.
+    Following TOPOFF 2, Secretary Ridge directed my Office to develop a 
+comprehensive national homeland security exercise program. Congress 
+provided the resources necessary to build a Program that will ensure 
+the homeland security community is trained, practiced and able to 
+perform its assigned homeland security missions. We worked with our 
+partners across government to develop a Program with four principal 
+objectives: (1) To provide senior officials and their organizations 
+with the opportunity to periodically train and exercise together, 
+identify key policy issues, and refine key incident management 
+processes/procedures against the range of probable threats; (2) To 
+develop common doctrine and provide annual program planning guidance; 
+(3) To establish collaborative management processes, supporting 
+systems, and multi-year scheduling; and (4) To formalize a system for 
+collecting, reporting, analyzing, interpreting, and disseminating 
+qualitative as well as quantitative exercise lessons and exemplary 
+practices.
+    The importance of a nationally integrated program was reinforced 
+when the President issued Homeland Security Presidential Directive/
+HSPD-8, ``National Preparedness,'' in December of last year. HSPD-8 
+confirmed the requirement to establish a national program. Our National 
+Exercise Program, including the TOPOFF exercise series, will support 
+implementation of the National Response Plan and National Incident 
+Management System, and the provisions of HSPD-5, issued in February 
+2003.
+    Program implementation is well underway, including design and 
+development of the third in the series of TOPOFF exercises. New Jersey 
+and Connecticut will be our host venues, and Washington and Illinois, 
+our partners in TOPOFF 2, will serve as their mentors. We will shortly 
+announce the venues for TOPOFF 4, and those States will be invited to 
+monitor the design, development, conduct and evaluation of TOPOFF 3. 
+This mentoring program is designed to transfer knowledge and experience 
+among multiple States and communities by leveraging national-level 
+exercise participation. In addition, the Governments of the United 
+Kingdom and Canada have committed to participation in what promises to 
+be the largest, and surely the most productive exercise series ever 
+conducted by the United States Government and its allies
+    To unify homeland security exercise efforts, we have worked 
+diligently with our federal, state and local partners to develop 
+exercise policy and doctrine. We have produced a series of manuals that 
+are employed by our State and local clients, and have been adopted for 
+use by several Federal departments and agencies. These manuals and 
+hundreds of exercise references are available through a secure but 
+unclassified web portal we established for the homeland security 
+community. This portal helps us realize our goal of maximizing the 
+reuse of exercise investments and products, and in reducing the man-
+hours required to design and develop exercises. The portal is utilized 
+by thousands of federal, state and local exercise planners, and 
+provides them with the tools and references that accelerate exercise 
+design and development and dramatically enhance our ability to share 
+information, including lessons and best practices. Our success with the 
+portal has led us to use it as a collaborative workspace for many other 
+preparedness initiatives.
+    To meet the needs of the millions of first responders that must 
+periodically train and exercise together on key action procedures, we 
+have been hard at work examining and evaluating models, simulations, 
+and games to identify products that meet federal, state, and local 
+training and exercise needs when large-scale exercises are impractical, 
+and to augment and extend existing programs. The potential benefits 
+include increased training and exercise frequency, delivery, realism, 
+and lower costs. Two reports commissioned by my Office reviewed nearly 
+100 models, simulations and games, and these reports are available to 
+federal, state and local users of our Secure Portal.
+    The real value of exercises--and a difficult challenge--is in the 
+identification and correction of weaknesses in our performance. We have 
+established a national network of Lessons Learned and Best Practices 
+for emergency response providers and homeland security officials. This 
+``Lessons Learned Information Sharing'' system was developed by our 
+partners at the Oklahoma Memorial Institute for the Prevention of 
+Terrorism, is hosted on our secure but unclassified web portal, and is 
+designed to share information necessary to prevent and respond to acts 
+of terrorism across all disciplines and communities throughout the 
+United States. All users are verified emergency response providers and 
+homeland security officials at the local, state, and federal levels. We 
+employ strong encryption and active site monitoring to protect all 
+information housed on the system. Most importantly, the content is 
+validated by homeland security professionals for their peers. The site 
+also houses an extensive catalog of after-action reports from exercises 
+and actual incidents as well as an updated list of homeland security 
+exercises, events, and conferences.
+    Today's multimedia presentation will complete the portrait of the 
+homeland security community's exercise efforts at every level of 
+government--efforts that improve with every exercise. Your committee's 
+support of these programs contributes to our readiness every day across 
+this great nation.
+    In closing, I'd like to offer a premier illustration of the value 
+of exercises to our nation's preparedness. In 1997, New York City began 
+a rigorous series of exercises focused on the terrorist threat. Our 
+office, along with other federal partners, was privileged to assist in 
+these efforts. On the morning of September 11th, 2001, one of our 
+exercise teams was in New York City preparing to assist Mayor Guiliani 
+and his team in conduct of a full-scale bioterrorism exercise scheduled 
+for September 12th. This exercise would have involved upwards of 700 
+police officers and firefighters. The exercise venue, Pier 92, became 
+the alternate City emergency operations center when Tower 7 of the 
+Trade Center was made untenable by the attack. Mayor Guiliani later 
+described what a robust exercise program meant to the City: ``We did 
+not anticipate that airliners would be commandeered and turned into 
+guided missiles; but the fact that we practiced for other kinds of 
+disasters made us far more prepared to handle a catastrophe that nobody 
+envisioned.''
+    Let me re-state Secretary Ridge's and my commitment to exercises as 
+a cornerstone of America's homeland security preparedness. There are no 
+stronger proponents than the President and the Secretary for the 
+utility and versatility of exercises in improving domestic incident 
+management. This concludes my statement. I will be happy to respond to 
+any questions that you and the members of the Committee may have 
+following our multimedia presentation. Thank you.
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+    Chairman Cox. I want at this point to welcome and introduce 
+also Mr. Clark Gruber, who is--or, pardon me, Corey Gruber. 
+Clark, I am getting you confused here--Corey Gruber, who is the 
+Associate Director of the Office for Domestic Preparedness at 
+the Department of Homeland Security. We understand that you are 
+not going to present formal testimony but would be pleased to 
+respond to members' questions.
+    At this time, I would like to introduce Clark Kimerer, who 
+is the Deputy Chief of Operations for the Seattle Police 
+Department.
+
+                 STATEMENT OF CLARK S. KIMERER
+
+    Mr. Kimerer. Mr. Chairman, distinguished members of the 
+select committee on Homeland Security, thank you for inviting 
+me to speak with you today. Washington State is proud to have 
+two Congress people serving on this important committee, 
+Congresswoman Jennifer Dunn and Congressman Norm Dicks. We 
+appreciate your continued support to look after the Homeland 
+Security needs of the City of Seattle and of the State of 
+Washington.
+    It is an honor for me to be asked to share with you my 
+reflections on the TOPOFF exercise series. It is particularly 
+gratifying to note your commendable interest in the 
+observations of a local police professional. We must never lose 
+sight of the fact that, for most Americans, their homeland is 
+defined as the specific geography where they live and work, 
+raise their kids, go to school and enjoy their friends, their 
+family and their leisure.
+    On May 12 of last year, the City of Seattle was rocked by a 
+detonation of a radiological dispersal device, otherwise known 
+as a dirty bomb, exploded by international terrorist 
+operatives, creating a mass casualty crisis. For the whole of 
+this 36-hour continuous crisis, City of Seattle Mayor Greg 
+Nickels, Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske, the Fire Chief, and the 
+head of public health presided over the City's Emergency 
+Operations Center and provided continuous communication and 
+engagement with the citizens of Seattle via the media. The 
+entire architecture of the Federal response under the 
+Department of Homeland Security was shoulder to shoulder with 
+us during this event.
+    Of course, what I have just recounted was the 
+congressionally conceived TOPOFF 2 exercise. No one was 
+actually hurt or killed, the terrorist cell did not actually 
+penetrate our defenses and harm our citizens, and at the 
+conclusion of the exercise we went about the invaluable 
+enterprise of analysis and improvement, rather than the tragic 
+activity of mourning.
+    My observations today about TOPOFF 2 will be decidedly 
+local and influenced by police officer sensibility. If asked to 
+characterize my perspective, I will describe it as coming from 
+the lofty vantage of being at ground level.
+    Why was this exercise so important and, in my estimation, 
+so successful? Its value for me is measured in four basic 
+dimensions.
+    First, an exercise tests and contributes to the evolution 
+of doctrine, policies and plans. It is one thing to develop 
+plans and policies as a matter of academic abstraction. It is 
+quite another to test them in the real world, take real time 
+movements of people on the ground. When all of this is set in 
+motion, our doctrines and policies will be thoroughly tested 
+and, as a consequence, will grow in clarity and precision. The 
+TOPOFF 2 exercise series helped illuminate these critical 
+needs, and together we have worked diligently to address them.
+    The Department of Homeland Security's recent work on the 
+National Incident Management System, or NIMS, is right on point 
+to address the major deficiencies we identified in TOPOFF 2. 
+But I want to emphasize again that we are only as good as we 
+are clear and precise in our doctrines and policies, and 
+exercises help us attain that clarity and precision.
+    Second, an exercise provides an opportunity for the 
+practical development of technical skills and expertise. Every 
+one of the officers, firefighters, emergency room nurses and 
+doctors, public health workers and the myriad others who were 
+deployed during TOPOFF 2 gained real-world experience and 
+practice in dealing with a crisis whose reach exceeded our 
+grasp. This included real-world fatigue, real-world mandates to 
+be innovative and creative, real-world mistakes. This is the 
+gold standard of exercises. But we could not have undertaken it 
+were it not for the financial support that enabled us to stage 
+this exercise.
+    We have day jobs, 850,000 calls a year. We cannot take 
+officers off the street to train them. It has to be off duty. 
+So for us the TOPOFF series and, more to the point I am going 
+to make next, the UASI grant process is invaluable. It is truly 
+a Godsend.
+    I want to comment on UASI at this juncture. My observation 
+is very straightforward. The UASI grant process has been vital 
+to our jurisdictions, our local, state and regional 
+jurisdictions. Without UASI support, cities like Seattle would 
+be literally unable to equip, train and provide technological 
+support to our first responders.
+    But we are approaching a point in the evolution of the UASI 
+process where the limitations and prohibition regarding the 
+hiring of full-time equivalents or personnel is becoming a 
+critical priority of many chiefs. You see, in addition to 
+technology, equipment and training, the capital and commodity 
+we need most is people. We need to have the flexibility to 
+invest in the most important capital asset of all, namely 
+personnel.
+    Third, exercises in general and TOPOFF in particular 
+provide--indeed require--a comprehensive after action 
+assessment and evaluation process and report. This transforms 
+our localized experience into an enduring, relevant and 
+universal benefit that we can share among all of our first 
+responder agencies at all levels of government. The Department 
+of Homeland Security--and my friend, Corey Gruber--calls this 
+``bankable learning.''
+    I propose that the key planners and players responsible for 
+our exercises should have the chance to regularly convene with 
+the exercise evaluators and assessors in an attempt to measure 
+the growth of policy and strategy and in turn contribute to the 
+national discussion and our collective expertise to prevent and 
+respond to acts of terror.
+    Fourth, finally, and most important, an exercise like 
+TOPOFF builds relationships and creates lines of communication. 
+Our discussions around TOPOFF were candid, honest, open and 
+productive. Now I know who to call, and the voice in 
+Washington, D.C., is likely someone with whom I have 
+established a professional relationship and vice versa. In my 
+view, this is one of the most profound benefits of committing 
+to any multijurisdictional exercise and TOPOFF 2 specifically.
+    I will close with one final thought. I contend that for any 
+of these programs and initiatives to be successful they need to 
+be designed and managed in large measure by the State and local 
+first responders and active law enforcement, fire and police 
+professionals who will use them. It is tempting but I believe 
+misguided to look inside the Beltway for decisions that affect 
+Seattle or Austin or Miami. Secretary Ridge, I know, shares 
+this value. We are on track to make it a reality. But people 
+like me need to constantly remind those that have much too much 
+work to do of the importance of the local perspective in the 
+design of our national strategy for response.
+    It has been an honor and a privilege for me to be able to 
+share these observations with the committee. We are all part of 
+the same coalition of concern and dedication, and together I 
+know we will protect the citizens we serve and the freedoms 
+that define our Nation. Thank you.
+    Chairman Cox. Thank you, Chief Kimerer.
+    [The statement of Mr. Kimerer follows:]
+
+                 Prepared Statement of Clark S. Kimerer
+
+    Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member Turner, Distinguished Members of the 
+Select Committee on Homeland Security, thank you for inviting me to 
+speak with you today. Washington State is proud to have two members 
+serving on this important committee--Congresswoman Jennifer Dunn and 
+Congressman Norm Dicks. We appreciate their continued attention to the 
+homeland security needs of the City of Seattle and the residents of the 
+State of Washington.
+    On May 12th of last year, the City of Seattle was rocked by the 
+detonation of a radiological dispersal device, otherwise known as a 
+``dirty bomb'', exploded by international terrorist operatives, 
+creating a mass casualty situation, a plume of radioactive debris 
+enshrouding a significant part of Seattle's civic center, and the 
+contamination of police and firefighters who, with willful disregard 
+for their own safety, rushed into this scene of destruction to care for 
+the injured. For the next 36 hours, over 3700 men and women from 
+Seattle, King County, the State of Washington, the Department of 
+Homeland Security, the FBI, FEMA, the nation of Canada, local and 
+national departments of public health, the academic community, and many 
+others--including our partners from the private sector--worked together 
+to contain and neutralize the damage; rescue, triage, decontaminate and 
+treat victims; investigate the crime scene; and reassure a shaken 
+public that we were doing everything possible to protect their sacred 
+interests: Their own security and safety, that of their children and 
+loved ones, and--at the same time--the freedoms that define this 
+nation.
+    For the whole of this 36-hour crisis, City of Seattle Mayor Greg 
+Nickels presided over the city's Emergency Operations Center, and 
+provided continuous communication and engagement with the citizens of 
+Seattle via the media. The Chief of Police, the Fire Chief, the 
+Director of Public Health, the Director of FEMA Region 10, and the 
+Department of Homeland Security Principal Federal Official (PFO), among 
+others, worked in support of the Mayor to address the crisis. At the 
+same time, nearly identical scenarios were being played out in the 
+office of the King County Executive, and in the office of the Governor 
+of the State of Washington. In Vancouver, British Columbia and the 
+capital city of Ottawa, top officials from Canada worked to both 
+protect the interests of their citizens, as well as offer assistance to 
+the US. Then, in the midst of our crisis, a second attack was launched. 
+Twenty-four hours into our response to the explosion in Seattle, the 
+same terrorist group released tpneumonic plague bacillus in Illinois, 
+infecting citizens in Chicago and its five surrounding counties. As in 
+Seattle, the Mayor of Chicago, the executives of the impacted counties, 
+the Governor of the State of Illinois, and the Department of Homeland 
+Security worked together to address the crisis unfolding before them. 
+And, finally, here in the other Washington, the response and support 
+architecture of the Federal government, under the organizational 
+structure of the Department of Homeland Security, was engaged and 
+operational during the whole of the Seattle and Illinois crises. I have 
+it on good authority that the Secretary got about as much sleep as the 
+rest of us during the second week of May, 2003.
+    Of course, what I have just recounted was the congressionally 
+conceived TOPOFF 2 exercise. No one was actually hurt or killed. The 
+terrorist cell did not actually penetrate our defenses and harm our 
+citizens. And at the conclusion of the exercise, we went about the 
+invaluable enterprise of analysis and improvement, rather than the 
+tragic activity of mourning.
+    It is an honor and privilege to be asked to share with you my 
+reflections on the TOPOFF exercise series, as well as the value of 
+exercising terrorism scenarios generally. It is particularly gratifying 
+to note your commendable interest in the analysis and observations of 
+local police, fire and emergency services professionals. I know this 
+commitment is shared as a priority by the Secretary. We are, after all, 
+the first responders to virtually every disaster and emergency either 
+presented by nature, or conceived by the malignant misuse of the human 
+intellect. The impressive machine of Federal support almost invariably 
+follows the efforts of local, regional and state response. Local 
+police, fire, public health and emergency services workers are and 
+always will remain the first to respond and the last to leave. We do 
+not have a national police force, like Canada, nor even a unified, 
+governing jurisdictional construct like Great Britain. Our nation 
+defines itself by local, community-based governance, particularly as 
+concerns police and emergency services. In times of crisis, our 
+citizens look for aid and reassurance from the President and Congress, 
+and at the same time, to their elected Mayor, local police and fire 
+chiefs, County Executive, and Governor. As we design exercises to 
+improve our capacity to respond to terrorism, as we develop and refine 
+homeland security doctrine to define essential responses and actions, 
+we must never lose sight of the fact that most Americans define their 
+``homeland'' as--first and foremost--the specific geography where they 
+live and work, raise their kids, go to school, and enjoy their friends, 
+family and leisure.
+    The balance of my comments will be my reflections on key lessons 
+learned from TOPOFF 2; the profound value of exercises generally, both 
+large and small; and, finally, what we need to build on based upon the 
+insights gleaned from TOPOFF and other recent scenarios and 
+simulations. I will also explore with you two related issues of great 
+concern to my colleagues in the Major Cities, namely the need to have 
+the latitude to hire personnel, and to keep focused upon threat-based 
+assessments at the municipal and regional first responder level. My 
+observations will be decidedly local and influenced by a police 
+officer's sensibility. If asked to characterize my perspective, I would 
+describe it as ``low altitude,'' or--more to the point--generated from 
+the lofty vantage of being at ground level.
+    Perhaps the most immediate and significant characteristic of the 
+TOPOFF 2 exercise is symbolized by its very name: TOPOFF, which is 
+shorthand for Top Officials. A few moments ago, I described that during 
+the TOPOFF field exercise in May 2003, we saw the total engagement and 
+focused participation of Seattle Mayor Nickels, the King County 
+Executive, Washington Governor Locke, Mayor Daley, the elected 
+Executives representing five counties surrounding Chicago, the Governor 
+of Illinois, top officials in Canada, Secretary Ridge and the whole of 
+the leadership of DHS, members of the Cabinet, and the office of the 
+President himself. I know that members of Congress, and this committee 
+in particular, were part of this unparalleled coalition of engagement 
+and concern. This level of exercise play was truly groundbreaking, both 
+as an opportunity for evaluation and assessment of our gaps and needs, 
+as well as for its statement of the commitment we have made to the war 
+against terrorism.
+    Why was this exercise so important and, in my estimation, so 
+successful? I contend that exercises of any scale--from the monumental, 
+like TOPOFF 2 and the upcoming TOPOFF 3, to the focused and specific, 
+like a 4-hour tabletop scenario--are immensely valuable. Their value is 
+measured in four basic dimensions:
+    First, an exercise tests and contributes to the evolution of 
+doctrine, policies and plans. It is one thing to develop a vision of 
+crisis and consequence management as a matter of academic abstraction; 
+it is quite another to test doctrine and policies in real world, real 
+time movement of people on the ground. Every time we individually or 
+nationally undertake a field exercise, we have an opportunity to re-
+think and further clarify our basic principles. What is the role of a 
+national alert system? What is the priority of the Incident Command 
+System for first responders? Where do jurisdictions begin and end? What 
+is the role of the private sector and business community in both crisis 
+and consequence management? How do we organize joint public 
+information, crisis communications, and who is the messenger? Who 
+leads, who follows, who facilitates? During TOPOFF 2, over eight 
+hundred Seattle firefighters and police officers moved on the ground 
+for 36 continuous hours to rescue the injured, evaluate and contain the 
+damage, extricate victims from collapsed structures, implement Incident 
+Command, establish interoperable communications, investigate the crime, 
+reassure the public, coordinate the integration of local, state and 
+federal emergency services leaders; when all of this is set in motion, 
+our doctrines and policies will be thoroughly tested, and, as a 
+consequence, will grow in clarity and evolve in precision.
+    In TOPOFF 2, it became clear that we have more work to do to 
+further clarify our national, state and local doctrines. From my 
+perspective, we need to use exercises like TOPOFF 2 to unify first 
+responders in applying the Incident Command System, or ICS.
+    We need to clearly articulate our focus upon local, regional and 
+state capacities, based upon threat assessment, population densities, 
+and critical infrastructure. We need to practice the integration of 
+mutual aid, and the arrival of federal support and coordination into 
+field command and command post operations. We need to have a precise 
+and efficient organization for public information, joint crisis 
+communications, with due regard for the jurisdictional responsibilities 
+of the elected leaders of impacted communities.
+    The TOPOFF 2 exercise helped illuminate these critical needs, and 
+together we have worked diligently to address them. The Department of 
+Homeland Security's work on the National Incident Management System (or 
+NIMS), the Homeland Security Exercise and Evaluation Program (HSEEP), 
+HSPD 5 and 8, the National Response Plan, and the recent Universal Task 
+List work group that I sit on, are right on point to address the gaps 
+and needs illuminated by TOPOFF 2. And in TOPOFF 3, all of these 
+lessons learned have been integrated into the design of the next set of 
+scenarios. I have the privilege of being one of the TOPOFF 3 mentors, 
+and am solidly impressed by the design of the upcoming exercise series. 
+But I want to emphasize that we are only as good as we are clear and 
+precise in doctrine and policy, and we must create a sustainable 
+process of learning to hone and refine our doctrinal principles and 
+priorities. I believe that Aristotle captured this mandate: If you 
+really know something, you can say it, and say it clearly and 
+precisely. Exercises immensely help us to this end.
+    Second, an exercise provides and opportunity for the practical 
+development of technical skills and expertise. In some ways, this is 
+self-evident. Every one of the officers, firefighters, emergency room 
+nurses and doctors, public health workers, ambulance technicians, 
+utility and public works professionals, and the myriad others deployed 
+during TOPOFF 2 gained real world experience and practice in dealing 
+with a crisis whose reach exceeded our grasp. This included real world 
+fatigue, real world mandates to be flexible and innovative, and real 
+world mistakes. Many of the TOPOFF 2 participants in Seattle were at 
+the beginning of 20--and 30-year careers. Imagine a long tenure in 
+emergency services marked by progressively more difficult and complex 
+exposure to scenarios, played out in times of calm, and with the 
+opportunity for reflection and improvement. This is our gold standard. 
+But it is near impossible for most municipal, county or state fire or 
+police agencies--including Seattle--to undertake a major exercise and 
+meets its day-to-day requirements for emergency response. Were it not 
+for the financial support we received to stage TOPOFF 2, we could not 
+have taken resources away from the street and 911 responsibilities. 
+Consider this: In Seattle last year, the police department responded to 
+850,000 911 calls. A quarter million of these calls required one, two 
+or multiple police officers to physically respond. On top of that, 
+these same police officers self-initiated stops, arrests or other 
+official actions 170,000 times. Over 20,000 adults and juveniles were 
+arrested and booked into jail, and another 6500 were cited or summoned. 
+On the one hand, it is precisely this day-to-day experience that makes 
+the local jurisdictions expert in first response and emergency 
+management. We do it all the time. What better resource to help define 
+the national doctrine, strategy and exercise plan. But on the other 
+hand, it is precisely this burden of work that precludes us from being 
+able to create a TOPOFF 2 on our own. When we train, it is almost 
+always during off-duty times, resulting in overtime and other 
+exceptional financial and personnel impacts. But, in the view of this 
+operations chief and 20-year veteran of policing, it is worth every 
+penny.
+    It is appropriate at this juncture to comment on the UASI grant 
+process. My observation is very straightforward. The UASI grant process 
+has been vital. Without UASI support, cities like Seattle would have 
+unable to equip, train and provide technological support to our first 
+responders. It would have taken us ten years to approach a percentage 
+of the progress we have made under UASI in just the last 12 months. 
+This progress has all been in areas directly supportive of our mission 
+to prevent, detect, deter and mitigate acts of terrorism, specifically 
+personal protective and detection equipment, maritime, port and 
+transportation protection, interoperable communications, and other 
+programs that protect our citizens. We are fast approaching a point in 
+the evolution of the UASI process that many chiefs and elected 
+officials around the county are confronting:
+    The limitations and prohibitions on hiring FTEs from grant sources 
+like UASI is becoming a priority concern, for this reason: In addition 
+to technology equipment and training, the capital and commodity we are 
+most in need of is people. Expert, dedicated, competent people to 
+assist us in planning, intelligence, technical and scientific 
+processes, computer and communications technology--including the 
+emerging threat of cyber terrorism--and, quite simply, to help us 
+manage the equipment and systems we are receiving from the UASI 
+process. We know the difficulties that inhere in grant funding 
+personnel positions. We know that creating an on-going obligation for 
+staff beyond the life of a grant is problematic. But I am confident 
+that there is a middle ground, and that we can structure positions that 
+have set terms and sunset provisions to meet our need to have the 
+flexibility to invest in the most important capital asset of all, 
+namely personnel.
+    Third, exercises in general and TOPOFF in particular provide--
+indeed, require--a comprehensive after action assessment and evaluation 
+process and report. We call these ``lessons learned,'' and, in a real 
+sense, this process may be the reason to undertake an exercise in the 
+first place. As I mentioned above, TOPOFF 2 provided an opportunity to 
+test and refine our doctrines and policies, and explore real world, 
+practical deployments with our regional, state and federal partners as 
+we jointly confronted a series of devastating terrorist attacks. But 
+what transforms our localized experience into an enduring, relevant and 
+universal benefit is the sharing of our insights in a sustainable and 
+secure system that can be accessed by all police, fire and emergency 
+services professionals. The Department of Homeland Security has called 
+this ``bankable learning.'' The process of integrating the architecture 
+of data collection, evaluation and assessment and sharing of lessons 
+learned must begin at the same time an exercise is conceived. This did 
+not happen in TOPOFF 2; it is a principle component of TOPOFF 3. I 
+commend DHS for their resolve to take this key element of exercise 
+management and elevating its priority for future scenarios. In the end, 
+this is the basic reason to commit to the expense, risk and personnel 
+impacts of an exercise at all: To grow, improve, evolve and share 
+insights to benefit all emergency workers, in the same manner that a 
+rising tide lifts all boats.
+    For my part, I believe we have more work to do in evaluating the 
+TOPOFF 2 experience. I would like to see an after action process that 
+regularly revisits and provides opportunity for thoroughgoing follow-up 
+on the lessons we learned. One year, two years, even five years 
+following an exercise like TOPOFF should be the occasions to 
+systematically compare our insights against changes in policy, 
+doctrine, first response, consequence management, and training. The key 
+leaders and planners responsible for an exercise should have the chance 
+to convene with the exercise evaluators and assessors, in an attempt to 
+measure the growth of policy and strategy, and in turn, contribute to 
+the national discussion and our collective expertise to prevent and 
+respond to acts of terror and disasters generally. This is truly 
+``bankable learning,'' and is a priority I know we share with the 
+Department of Homeland Security.
+    Fourth, finally, and most important, an exercise like TOPOFF builds 
+relationships and creates lines of communication. In the end, it really 
+is all about relationships. In the year leading up to the Full Field 
+Exercise, I participated in a series of TOPOFF seminars that explored 
+public information, direction and control, management of an RDD and 
+plague attack, jurisdictional responsibilities and prerogatives; in 
+short, the whole gamut of response challenges that will be present in 
+the event of a real attack. These discussions were candid, honest, open 
+and productive. The Department of Homeland Security heard from me and 
+my colleagues that we will be successful in direct proportion to the 
+level that local first responders are consulted and listened to; and I 
+heard and saw that DHS was comprised of smart, dedicated people who 
+were trying their best to address a huge task in a short time to thwart 
+an implacable and malignant adversary (and listen to state and local 
+jurisdictions at the same time) I remain impressed. I commend their 
+efforts. And now, I know who to call, and the voice in Washington DC is 
+likely someone with whom I have established a professional 
+relationship. And vice versa. The exact dimensions of how important it 
+is to create these relationships is difficult to quantify. In my view, 
+this is one of the most profound benefits of committing to any multi-
+jurisdictional exercise, and TOPOFF 2 specifically.
+    Now, during the exercise itself, it wasn't always perfect. There 
+were not a few false starts, though none that interfered with the work 
+being done in the field. I found that the Principal Federal Official 
+(PFO) system worked very well, and I was surprised and gratified to see 
+a minimum of ``creeping jurisdictions'' at play. In the end, I believe 
+that DHS was eminently respectful of the role of local government and 
+its first responders, and tailored its role to support, assist, engage 
+the federal system and its myriad responsibilities, and prepare for 
+transitions of jurisdiction following the resolution of the mass 
+casualty incident by Seattle police, fire and emergency services 
+professionals.
+    As we look ahead, I can conceptualize a roadmap based in part upon 
+my previous comments. The first element is the continued support of 
+exercises and scenarios at the federal, state and local level, with 
+emphasis on interjurisdictional coordination and mutual aid. A 
+progressive continuum of exercise formats and media--from elementary to 
+highly advanced--should be our ultimate goal. The Department of 
+Homeland Security is pursuing this objective with rigor and energy. 
+Programs involving distance learning, computer-aided models, 
+simulations and games, formats for tabletop, limited and full field 
+exercises and specialized scenarios and topics--cyber terrorism being 
+one example--would find a ready audience. At the heart of this 
+curriculum, I believe, must be use of the incident command system. Now, 
+returning to a central theme of my remarks, I contend that for any of 
+these programs to be truly successful, they need to be designed and 
+managed in large measure by the state and local first responders and 
+active law enforcement and fire professionals who will use them. The 
+second element, then, is a redoubled commitment to ensure that 
+doctrine, policy and exercise design is a matter for state and local 
+input and expertise. It is tempting to look inside the beltway for 
+decisions that affect Seattle or Austin or Des Moines. Having said 
+this, I know that the Secretary is committed to a full partnership with 
+the many state and local experts who make up the first responder 
+community. The third element is an expanded program of after-action 
+analysis, appropriately secured but accessible to all professionals 
+within the federal, state and local emergency response community. This 
+program should include regular updates and opportunities for 
+interaction with evaluators and assessors, and should ideally be 
+presented in a standard format designed by the professionals who will 
+use the information. The fourth element is to maximize the occasions 
+for interaction at all levels, and to build relationships and lines of 
+communication forged in times of calm, that will endure in times of 
+crisis.
+    It is an honor and a privilege for me to be able to share these 
+observations with the committee. We are all a part of the same 
+coalition of concern and dedication, and together I know that we will 
+protect the citizens we serve, and the freedoms that define our nation
+
+    Chairman Cox. Of course, whereas Seattle had to endure a 
+radiological attack, the Chicago metropolitan area had to 
+endure an attack of bubonic plague; and here to tell us about 
+that is Tom Mefferd, who is the Director of the DuPage County 
+Office of Homeland Security in the Chicago, Illinois, area. 
+Welcome.
+
+                 STATEMENT OF THOMAS O. MEFFERD
+
+    Mr. Mefferd. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and members of the 
+committee. I appreciate the opportunity to discuss exercise 
+issues with you as related to the TOPOFF exercise.
+    As has been previously indicated, the State of Illinois and 
+the State of Washington, the whole country, if you will, 
+participated in the exercises a little over a year ago. While 
+it would be real easy to spend some time talking in detail 
+about that exercise, I would like to take a step backwards and 
+talk about the whole picture that exercise plays or that 
+exercising plays in the grander scale of emergency 
+preparedness. Preparedness is one of the major functions that 
+homeland security and emergency management is built on.
+    There is a three-part process, a triangle, if you will, of 
+planning, training and exercising; and each of those pieces 
+have been mentioned in one way or the other here this 
+afternoon. Planning is the foundation under which the whole 
+process is built. Planning is the foundation, if you will, that 
+allows us to be able to respond to a major emergency or 
+disaster. Absent an emergency plan, we have nothing to train to 
+and we have nothing to exercise, because we have not thought 
+out who is going to do what at what level and how we are going 
+to do it. It is critical that an emergency plan exist at the 
+local level, at the State level and at the Federal regional 
+level, as well as the headquarters level, that clearly 
+indicates how we work together.
+    There were numerous things that came up in the TOPOFF 
+exercise that either required a decision to be made at a local 
+level that directly impacted things that were happening here in 
+Washington, or there was a decision made here in Washington 
+that directly impacted things that happened at the local level. 
+We must be able to understand, we must be able to know how our 
+counterparts are functioning and thinking at every level of 
+government, because as we continue to function in an emergency 
+scenario we must work as a team.
+    The development of the national response plan and, 
+ultimately, NIMS will help us do that. But I caution you, just 
+putting a document on the street will not solve the problem. 
+The ultimate solution to this problem is the adoption, the 
+training and the acceptance on the part of every State and 
+every one of our localities of those systems. We must work 
+together. We must work in unison if we are going to be able to 
+function.
+    As we look at the TOPOFF scenario and ultimately any 
+terrorist incidents, it is critical again that we have a system 
+that is robust, that we have a system that is clearly 
+understood at every level of government; and that leads to the 
+second part of the triangle, training. As part of TOPOFF, prior 
+to the exercises, there was over a year of planning and 
+training activities that led us to, ultimately, the skills 
+necessary to perform the exercise. That training where we 
+brought together local officials and county officials and State 
+officials and Federal officials was invaluable.
+    Again, it is critical that we all clearly understand how we 
+relate to each other. Every person, every agency that has a 
+role in the ultimate emergency plan must also participate in 
+training if in fact we are to work as a team. Again, as a 
+sports team, as any other team works, we must do the same in 
+homeland security and emergency management.
+    Finally, the third leg of that triangle, exercising. There 
+are some basic concepts that I think we forget sometimes in the 
+development of exercise, and that is the concept that we must 
+crawl before we walk and we must walk before we run.
+    In the same fashion, we look at exercising as 80 percent 
+training and 20 percent testing. It is important that we 
+understand clearly that when we go through an exercise, as we 
+did in TOPOFF, that we will make mistakes, that we will 
+identify those mistakes and work to solve the problems that 
+were identified in the exercise. It is critical that we clearly 
+understand that we don't rush out and just do the big 
+phenomenal exercise but we also support all of the smaller 
+exercises that led up to that. We did, I believe a total of six 
+exercises in preparation for the ultimate TOPOFF exercise.
+    Additionally, one of the fallacies in exercise design that 
+I think we should be aware of is that we should not be afraid 
+to make those mistakes. Understandably, if exercises are going 
+to be a training environment, we are going to make mistakes 
+that may potentially be made public. But those mistakes can be 
+fixed through critique. They can be fixed through evaluation 
+and planning and retraining.
+    There are a number of other specifics, but let me move 
+toward conclusion, to touch base on one final component, a 
+critical component of the system, as Clark just indicated, with 
+the UASI program. That part is personnel. It is critical that, 
+as we look at the management infrastructure in this country 
+that is responsible to make sure that we have the capability to 
+respond not only to an exercise but a full-scale disaster, we 
+have to start looking at other areas other than our first 
+responders.
+    Don't take that wrong. Our first responders have been 
+focused as a major part of national attention since September 
+11, and they need that continued support. We need to make sure 
+our first responders are the best trained, best equipped and 
+best prepared. But the issue is there needs to be the command 
+and control system that stands behind those first responders 
+that is prepared to make the decisions that are necessary.
+    The emergency management community, the emergency managers 
+themselves, our chief executive officers need to be trained. 
+They need to be exercised, and they need to be supported. Our 
+infrastructure in communications and interoperability and 
+command and control facilities, emergency operating centers 
+must be a priority.
+    Again, as we look at the support systems for our personnel 
+we need to clearly understand in the preparation for TOPOFF 
+this was a year-plus activity that put significant strains on 
+those agencies that participated. In our government alone, we 
+had three full-time personnel, two in our public health 
+community, one in my office, that initially were committed on a 
+monthly basis to multiday meetings once a month. As we moved 
+closer to the exercise, that was almost a full-time commitment. 
+If an exercise can put that kind of a strain on a local 
+government system, then what would a real emergency do? We need 
+the availability of putting additional personnel into our 
+command and control system, much as Clark has just indicated.
+    In conclusion, again, let me state this. As we look at 
+exercises, the benefit to our country, the benefit to our 
+communities is immeasurable. Bringing folks together, talking 
+together, planning together and working together, there is no 
+way to measure that. It is a tremendous benefit.
+    But again we must--we must from the Federal level down have 
+a commitment to support the overall triangle--planning, 
+training and exercising--as an entire package. The continued 
+support of Congress, the continued support of the Department of 
+Homeland Security is essential to all of us at the local level 
+being able to effectively respond and manage a major crisis, 
+especially the uniqueness that is there from a terrorism 
+scenario. Thank you very much.
+    Chairman Cox. Mr. Mefferd, thank you very much for your 
+testimony.
+    [The statement of Mr. Mefferd follows:]
+
+                Prepared Statement of Thomas O. Mefferd
+
+    By way of background, I have been involved in the emergency 
+management field since 1971, serving at the municipal, township and 
+county government levels. Additionally, I have served in the training 
+and education divisions of both state and federal governments. During 
+these thirty- three years, I have participated in or developed more 
+than 100 exercises ranging from low-level table-top exercises to full-
+scale exercises.
+    A little more than one year ago the State of Illinois; City of 
+Chicago and its surrounding counties of Cook, DuPage, Kane, and Lake; 
+the State of Washington; City of Seattle and surrounding counties; and 
+the federal governments of the United States and Canada participated in 
+the most extensive counter-terrorism exercise ever held in this 
+country. This exercise was designed to test the cooperative efforts of 
+the local, state, and federal government in responding to, and 
+ultimately recovering from, a multi-facetted terrorist attack on the 
+country.
+    At the outset it may appear appropriate to comment on and critique 
+the exercise and its ultimate results. However, it is critical to 
+clearly understand the role that exercising plays in the bigger picture 
+of emergency preparedness. Preparedness includes three equal but 
+interrelated components, including:
+         Planning
+         Training
+         Exercising
+    Planning is the foundation on which the triangle rests. Absent an 
+emergency plan, there is nothing on which to train and no organization 
+to exercise. The key to an effective response and recovery system is 
+the development of a comprehensive emergency plan that clearly 
+identifies the roles and responsibilities of key departments, agencies, 
+and officials, and various levels of government. More importantly, the 
+roles, responsibilities, and authorities of all agencies that 
+participate must be clearly defined. At the local level, where a mayor 
+or county executive provides direct leadership to operating 
+departments, the process of ``direction and control'' is relatively 
+easy. The higher one looks in government, however, the more convoluted 
+things become. With the large number of federal agencies, as well as 
+the differences between regional and headquarters organizations, it is 
+not always clear how certain decisions are made and how local 
+implementation of those decisions occur.
+    With the roll out of the new National Response Plan (NRP) and the 
+National Incident Management System (NIMS), hopefully many gray areas 
+will be eliminated. Critical, however, to the success of these plans 
+will be their adoption and integration at the local and state levels.
+    The following example, related to the Strategic National Stockpile, 
+clearly illustrates how planning must be integrated at all levels of 
+government.
+        A terrorist organization covertly releases a biological agent 
+        into a community. In a short period of time many citizens 
+        become ill and begin to seek medical attention. At the local 
+        level, emergency medical services (EMS) providers and health 
+        care professionals attempt to render aid. Reporting 
+        requirements at the local level alert county health officials 
+        who realize that something is terribly wrong. Calls are placed 
+        to state health officials who, in cooperation with county 
+        officials begin medical surveillance. Notification of the 
+        Centers for Disease Control follows. Working jointly, local, 
+        state, and federal officials determine that a biological agent 
+        has been released which requires the deployment of the 
+        Strategic National Stockpile (SNS). CDC officials transport the 
+        nearest push-pack to the state, who in turn receives the 
+        package and distributes it to the stricken county. County and 
+        municipal officials open medication dispensing sites and 
+        provide prophylaxis to exposed individuals and are able to deal 
+        with the crisis.
+    Clearly this scenario identifies separate but interrelated roles 
+for municipal, county, state, and federal governments. If any of these 
+component pieces do not understand their role then other related 
+components do not function, potentially leading to a loss of life, or 
+at least significant levels of confusion. While this scenario focuses 
+only on public health, consider the ramifications when areas of crisis 
+communications, law enforcement investigations, and consequence 
+management issues are added.
+    The second but equally important part of the triangle is training. 
+Once a plan or procedure has been developed, it is critical that 
+everyone who will use the plan be instructed in how that plan is to 
+function. This includes personnel at all levels of government. As can 
+clearly be seen in the example above, there are key roles as well as 
+major opportunities for failure at all levels of government. It is 
+clear, then, that officials at every level of government clearly 
+understand their role as well as those who function at levels both 
+above and below them.
+    The final part of the triangle is exercising. A mistake often made 
+by exercise planners is that a full-scale exercise is the best way to 
+test a plan or procedure. A guiding premise to exercise design is that 
+you must be able to crawl before you walk, and walk before you run. 
+Additionally, exercises can be viewed as 80% training and 20% testing. 
+Therefore, lower level table-top and functional exercises should be a 
+key part in any exercise program, where participants can ``walk 
+through'' procedures and become trained in the proper method of dealing 
+with an event. During the TOPOFF program, several lower level exercises 
+were held to allow local, state, and federal agencies to work out the 
+``bugs'' before tackling the final full-scale exercise. These types of 
+multi-level exercises should continue and be expanded as a key 
+component of any federal terrorism exercise program. On a daily basis, 
+close coordination and cooperation is the exception not the rule. 
+Working through problems and resolving issues as part of these 
+exercises brings responders and policy makers together and fosters 
+closer cooperation which ultimately leads to lives saved.
+    A common fault of exercise design, especially in high visibility 
+exercises, is a desire to ``not look bad.'' In many exercises, 
+important functions are left untested because a perceived weakness may 
+be observed, reported on, and made public. Exercises, by their very 
+nature, are designed as training tools. It is assumed, if not 
+understood, that mistakes are made during training. Making a mistake 
+during an exercise is natural and nothing to be ashamed of. During the 
+critique process, problems are identified and potential solutions 
+found. These problems are then remedied through future planning, 
+training, and re-exercising. This cyclical process corrects weaknesses, 
+focuses on prior successes, and ultimately builds a stronger system.
+    In retrospect, a number of lessons learned from the TOPOFF 2 
+exercise should be shared for the benefit of those who will follow and 
+to guide the development of future exercises. Highlights of these 
+lessons include:
+         Limit the number of objectives that the exercise will 
+        try and accomplish. Many departments and agencies often have a 
+        shopping list of things that they want to test / try in an 
+        exercise. The more complex the exercise becomes, the greater 
+        the potential for failure or for participants to become 
+        disillusioned. Exercise objectives should be realistic for the 
+        type of scenario being developed.
+         The exercise can not be everything to everyone. As 
+        stated above, not every agency may be able to participate in 
+        every exercise. For example, in a biological scenario, collapse 
+        search and rescue teams, or hazardous materials response teams 
+        may not be needed. Again, participation in the exercise should 
+        be realistic, based on the scenario being developed.
+         Coordinated multi-jurisdictional decision making must 
+        be included. During TOPOFF a decision was made in Washington to 
+        close O'Hare International Airport and suspend passenger rail 
+        traffic in and out of Chicago, without consultation with the 
+        City of Chicago, the State of Illinois, or the federal regional 
+        agencies that were participating. This decision left local 
+        governments scrambling on how to implement the decision, and 
+        more importantly, how to re-start operations when the airport 
+        and rail station were declared safe. This type of coordination 
+        is essential during a real incident, and now is the time to 
+        learn how to function.
+         Future exercises must focus on the weaknesses or 
+        problem areas discovered in previous exercises. During TOPOFF 1 
+        a number of problem areas were identified with the Strategic 
+        National Stockpile. During TOPOFF 2 various federal, state, and 
+        local agencies worked diligently to work through these issues 
+        and develop procedures that would ensure effective operations. 
+        Future exercises should continue to build on the lessons 
+        learned so that new and better procedures can be developed.
+         Future exercises should allow continued exploration of 
+        new and more effective ways to respond and recover. One 
+        official from the Department of Homeland Security likened the 
+        TOPOFF exercise to a laboratory. I cannot agree more. While the 
+        exercise tests knowledge of plans and systems, it also provides 
+        an opportunity to ``test'' new approaches and provides hands-on 
+        training to acquaint emergency managers and responders.
+         Future exercises should explore recovery issues. In 
+        most exercises, a test of the capability and capacity of 
+        government and the private sector to effectively respond is 
+        scripted. Exploration of the issues related to long term 
+        recovery are often not a key focus. Response exercises often 
+        become media events where government can visibly demonstrate 
+        capabilities. Recovery activities, on the other hand, usually 
+        take place in a command center, hidden from public view, where 
+        decision making and prioritizing are the key. These activities 
+        are not very photogenic and therefore don't tell ``the 
+        preparedness story'' that government wants the public to see. 
+        While life-saving skills must be constantly honed, it is 
+        equally important that emergency managers work through the 
+        problems associated with recovery.
+    Finally, it is important that we focus on a critical component, 
+common to each of the three phases of preparedness previously 
+described. The one common thread to all three phases is the individual 
+charged with the responsibility for management of the community's 
+preparedness program. This person is the local emergency manager. Since 
+September 11, 2001, significant national attention has been given to 
+the nation's first responders. Millions of dollars have been spent to 
+provide our first responders with the latest in technology and life-
+saving equipment, as it should be. However, little or no money has been 
+allocated to upgrading our aging command and control systems, emergency 
+operating centers, and more importantly to increasing the support to 
+the local officials who are charged with the responsibility for 
+managing a major crisis.
+    In most communities, across the nation, the position of emergency 
+manager is filled by a part-time or volunteer. Even in communities 
+where a full time manager exists, staffing levels for this position are 
+less than adequate to maintain an effective and robust crisis 
+management capability. Preparing for the TOPOFF exercise required 
+almost a year of planning and training. In the early phases of 
+planning, monthly multi-day meetings occurred. As the date for the 
+exercise drew closer, an almost full-time personnel commitment was 
+required. In many communities the level of commitment needed to support 
+an exercise of this magnitude would not be possible, even though the 
+benefits from this type of exercise are enormous. If this level of 
+stress is generated by an exercise, then what might be the impact on 
+the emergency system created by an actual event?
+    In conclusion, the benefits to the nation and our citizens by 
+participating in emergency exercises are immeasurable. Exercises allow 
+first responders and emergency managers to understand the demands that 
+may be placed on their community during a terrorist event or other 
+disaster. For any exercise to be effective, however, requires a firm 
+commitment to the other two components of the preparedness triangle, 
+planning and training.
+    Continued support of the emergency preparedness program, as well as 
+those who manage that program, by the Department of Homeland Security 
+and members of Congress is essential to increasing the level of 
+preparedness through the country.
+
+    Chairman Cox. Mr. Kimerer, Ms. Mencer, and Mr. Gruber, 
+thank you for being here as a resource as we dive ahead into 
+questions; and thank you for all the work that you all do in 
+keeping our Nation safe.
+    One of the major questions that Congress is now wrestling 
+with as we write legislation is whether or not funding 
+terrorism preparedness is in some way different than funding 
+preparedness for other hazards that can produce similar 
+symptoms. For example, a building can blow up because of a 
+natural gas leak. The casualties might be identical to those 
+occasioned by an Oklahoma City bombing type attack on the same 
+building. Is there a difference when you train in responding to 
+terrorism that is manmade and in responding to either acts of 
+nature or accidents?
+    It is possible, for example, that terrorists could use 
+bioweapons. It is also possible that we could actually have an 
+outbreak of plague which would be a public health emergency. 
+Would there really be a difference in the way that we 
+responded? We have varying views about this in Congress, and it 
+influences how we put the money into the hands of first 
+responders.
+    At this point, I want to share with you my own view, which 
+is that there are differences and there are similarities, but 
+from the standpoint of first responders we only have one first 
+responder. We only have one Fire Department, we only have one 
+Police Department, and they are not on duty 24/7 waiting for a 
+terrorist incident. They are doing a lot of other work in the 
+meanwhile. So they have to be prepared to deal with all 
+hazards.
+    I don't think that is the argument. I think the question 
+is, rather, back here in Washington, when we make funds 
+available, should there be an additional pot of money available 
+that is separate from all hazards money that goes directly to 
+terrorism training? Because there are unique aspects of 
+terrorism. And when I say training, I mean also terrorism 
+preparedness in all of its manifestations, because there are 
+differences.
+    Facially, it strikes me that there is a difference between 
+a hurricane coming through town, which at least when it hits 
+has predictable behavior, and the same kind of havoc being 
+wreaked by human beings who not only can strike but who can 
+plan avoidance in real time. This is a thinking threat, not an 
+unreasoning one.
+    Likewise, as some of you mentioned in your prepared 
+statements, you have to focus on different things when you are 
+cleaning up after acts of terror. After the Madrid bombings, we 
+wanted to make sure that we gained as much in the way of clues 
+to the way terrorists operate as possible, so we went in not 
+only to clean up the mess but also to find out exactly how this 
+happened. There are chain of evidence and custody of evidence 
+issues that law enforcement is, of course, well aware of when 
+there is a thinking assault by a human being as against other 
+kinds of disasters that at least symptomatically produce the 
+same result.
+    If you could--and I would address this to all the panel--
+help us with this. Should Congress have separate funding 
+available as an incremental addition to what we make available 
+for all hazards?
+    Miss Mencer, we will begin with you.
+    Ms. Mencer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
+    I think you are absolutely right in your description. It is 
+different when you respond to the scene of a terrorist event 
+because, as you have described, you are entering into a crime 
+scene. So you have to preserve the evidence there. You have to 
+worry about intelligence collection, as well, so you can catch 
+the people who did it. So it is very different than a hurricane 
+or a tornado. So, yes, it has special requirements. It requires 
+specialized exercises to deal with it, and specialized training 
+and equipment. So that is absolutely correct.
+    And, Corey, would you like to add anything to that?
+    Mr. Gruber. Yes, ma'am.
+    Sir, the very important point that we are talking about is 
+a human architect that is adaptive, versus historically what we 
+face, which has been morally neutral nonadaptive hazards. When 
+we face a human predator, we have the addition of prevention 
+activities, deterrence and defeat of that adversary, and 
+intelligence collection and gathering. So we believe that, if 
+we take a capabilities-based and a scenario-based approach to 
+planning for these events, we need to look across the full 
+spectrum of the missions that we face as a department, or as a 
+Homeland Security community, but we have to focus on the very 
+most essential tasks.
+    And the Homeland Security Act, and the national strategy 
+have told us that prevention is the foremost imperative. So we 
+have very much focused our efforts on that significant 
+difference from facing seasonal, geographic and nonadaptive 
+hazards.
+    Chairman Cox. Chief Kimerer.
+    Mr. Kimerer. Mr. Chair, the fact is that there are great 
+similarities and great and profound differences when looking at 
+preparing for terrorism. As Mr. Gruber said, a terrorist act is 
+the result of a malignant use of the intellect and has a level 
+of aggression and deliberation and strategizing that makes it 
+absolutely incomparable to other natural disasters. The fact 
+that we do a lot of the same things, of course, is an argument 
+for exercising and training and practicing. Implementing 
+incident command is somewhat universal. Preparing for the next 
+wave of attack or the next part of the stratagem makes the 
+whole curricula of exercising for terrorism very unique and 
+fairly new to local law enforcement. The consequence 
+management, as was mentioned before, has profound implications.
+    Case in point, as part of our exercise we had our 
+responders preparing for working through both the intelligence 
+and the reality of there being a secondary explosion, of there 
+being the discovery of a safe house, of things that were 
+uncovered and disclosed in the crime scene that might have 
+pointed to additional threats in other parts of our region or 
+even other parts of the country, like Chicago. It is a unique 
+body of wisdom that we need to be working toward in looking at 
+and preparing for and responding to detecting and deterring a 
+terrorist act.
+    Chairman Cox. Director Mefferd.
+    Mr. Mefferd. Let me build on the comments that have been 
+made. I totally agree with your assessment of two roles. When 
+we deal with a natural disaster, you are dealing with an event 
+that has very clearly manifested itself. Typically, you will 
+have one thing to worry about, and that is the disaster. When 
+you are dealing with a terrorism event, one of the things you 
+must think about is I, as a first responder, am a target; and 
+one of the goals of a terrorist is to try to lure the first 
+responder to that scene and now move into a second attack which 
+now takes down the first responder.
+    But as we set that aside and look at some of the other 
+issues, the evidence roles that have been brought up, one of 
+the other critical roles today is we have to think about long-
+term public health effects. If we did have a release of a 
+biological agent or a chemical agent, again, if we look at a 
+typical disaster, we take an individual to the hospital. We 
+treat them, we release them, and the whole process maybe takes 
+a few days to a week. We are talking about potentially people 
+who will be evolving into some kind of a disease or some kind 
+of long-term problem months or year later. So records need to 
+be kept, and systems need to be built to handle that. Long-term 
+epidemiology processes need to be put in place.
+    If you will, we are used, in the law enforcement community, 
+to work as detectives who look for clues for crime scenes. 
+Today, we are looking at medical health professionals who are 
+also becoming detectives to try and find out what was released, 
+where was it released, how many people were exposed to that 
+release.
+    And, finally, the whole issue of emergency public 
+information. Again, in a tornado, it is real easy to say a 
+tornado has gone through. This is where you come to get your 
+assistance. This is the shelter area.
+    In a biological attack, for example, we have long-range and 
+long-reaching public information and community-building types 
+of things that we have to look at. How do we make the 
+population aware of the fact that the event is over? Is it 
+over? How do we make the community aware of the fact that this 
+area is safe again? And how do we make--how do we clearly 
+identify those issues?
+    So certainly there are some uniquenesses--some tremendous 
+uniquenesses with the issue of terrorism response and recovery.
+    Chairman Cox. Thank you very much.
+    The Ranking Member, Mr. Turner, is recognized for 
+questions.
+    Mr. Turner. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
+    I would like to ask each of you to comment on this 
+question. What level of preparedness standard are we working 
+toward? And what experience comes out of these exercises that 
+helps shed light on what that level of preparedness is? And 
+perhaps even more importantly, I would like to have each of you 
+tell us whether you think it is important for us to have a 
+preparedness standard.
+    In the legislation that the Chairman and I have introduced, 
+and this committee has reported out, we call for the 
+establishment of what we call the essential capabilities of 
+preparedness that we think should be established. But I would 
+like your comments on whether or not this is an issue of 
+importance that we should address.
+    Mr. Mefferd. That is a kind of a moving target. Certainly, 
+a level of preparedness nationwide is something we should work 
+towards. I think one of the problems that we see across the 
+board--and I am going to go back to the personnel issue. As we 
+look towards establishing a standard, we need to understand who 
+is going to be responsible for attaining that standard across 
+the country. The typical individual who serves as the emergency 
+manager, the person responsible for building that capability 
+for coordinating the planning, for bringing those pieces 
+together in many cases is a part-time, if not a volunteer, 
+individual. Should we then set that standard based on that? And 
+I don't believe so.
+    I think we need a standard. We need to work towards an 
+ultimate goal. As we look at standards in law enforcement, as 
+we look at standards in the fire service, the challenges that 
+we have to meet today are a moving target. But they are always 
+getting better. They are always getting higher. And certainly 
+as we look at standards for emergency preparedness, whether it 
+is for dealing with the effects of a tornado or a flood or a 
+terrorism event, we need a nationwide standard that we can all 
+work towards that we can all build upon and try to attain. 
+Because I think that is the basis not only on which we build 
+our training and our exercises but it also gives us at the 
+local level a goal upon which we need to build our budgets and 
+build our local programs towards attaining that national 
+standard.
+    Mr. Kimerer. Ranking Member Turner, September 11 stunned us 
+out of a kind of lethargy about the complexities of preparing 
+for and responding to the myriad possibilities of both disaster 
+and evil in the world. It illuminated for us, as did the TOPOFF 
+exercise, the need to greatly expand the frame of reference we 
+must acknowledge and build in order to be prepared to respond--
+to prevent, detect, deter and respond. Things like unification 
+of intelligence data, making it more accessible, having better 
+and more robust data collection around the specific threats 
+that materialize in the realm of terrorism, those were things 
+that were not pre-occupying concerns of local and regional and 
+State law enforcement before September 11 or before we 
+undertook these kind of exercises. They contributed to the need 
+to have baseline, I guess, standards, for want of a better 
+term, but certainly objectives and doctrine and goals that we 
+must all acknowledge and all work toward.
+    The absence of a national incident command system, which 
+some of us have been saying probably should have been in place 
+many years ago, was certainly brought home to us and is now a 
+priority objective of agencies like mine and, clearly, the 
+Department of Homeland Security. That represents an essential 
+and kind of universal benchmark and standard that we need to 
+aspire to.
+    All of this of course, depends upon a kind of collective 
+recognition of what is important, of what is essential; and I 
+think together we will very shortly come up with what 
+represents the basic, essential doctrine we use to determine 
+how we take care of our citizens at all levels of government in 
+the face of all realities, whether it is an accident of nature 
+or the work of an evil intellect bent on destruction.
+    Am I answering your question?
+    Mr. Turner. I think you are. I think it is going to be very 
+difficult to motivate the Congress to adequately fund the needs 
+that we have, particularly at the State and local level, unless 
+we first establish some essential capabilities that we are 
+trying to build. As long as we are just passing out money 
+without any measurement of what that money is achieving, I 
+think it is going to be very easy for the Congress and the 
+administration to simply say, well, this is all we can afford. 
+And I think if you define through some logical process, a 
+planning process, what it is we are trying to build in this 
+country, based upon the real threats and vulnerabilities that 
+we face, which is the responsibility, I think of the Department 
+under the law to determine, if we don't have any measurements, 
+we are not going to get to the end goal and there will be not 
+be sufficient political pressure to get us there.
+    So I hope all of you will continue to advocate that 
+position as we go through this process, like we mandate in the 
+legislation that we have reported out of this committee. We 
+mandate that the process take place so we will know what we are 
+trying to build.
+    Mr. Kimerer. Sir, I couldn't agree more; and there are a 
+couple of things on point to that.
+    First, all of our work has been--
+    Ms. Dunn. [Presiding.] If you will be brief.
+    Mr. Kimerer. Oh, I am sorry. Two very quick things then.
+    We approach our identification on the basis of threat 
+assessment, the intel, of risk assessment and risk analysis. 
+That is the formula upon which we at the local level and the 
+regional and State level are making our decisions.
+    And the second is we are proceeding with doctrine which I 
+think is right on point, like national incident management to 
+further move the ball down the field; and we endorse those 
+efforts and are participants in the design of it.
+    Ms. Dunn. Thank you very much.
+    The gentleman's time has expired.
+    Ms. Mencer, can you talk to us a bit about the lessons 
+learned from TOPOFF 2? And exactly, as you mentioned, we are 
+going into the planning of TOPOFF 3 What is it that you take 
+into consideration that you learned from the last set of 
+exercises a year ago?
+    Ms. Mencer. I would be happy to do that.
+    If I could address for a minute the other question, look at 
+the moving target, as Mr. Mefferd described, that has been 
+assigned to us with Homeland Security Decision Directive 8, 
+which talks about how to measure preparedness. We are indeed 
+looking at establishing essential tasks and how to develop the 
+capabilities needed by communities to address different 
+incidents. We will be available to provide an in-depth briefing 
+on that, if you wish, as to where we are with that process.
+    As to the lessons learned from TOPOFF, I would like to hand 
+that over to Corey to address.
+    Mr. Gruber. Thank you, Ma'am. We started the exercise when 
+we developed the concept with objectives. Objectives are the 
+foundation of exercise design. And each objective is an 
+expectation of performance. So as we designed the exercise and 
+then completed and analyzed that performance, that is what 
+allowed us to identify specific lessons. And we had a 
+voluminous amount of lessons and hundreds of evaluators across 
+the Country who were looking at the performance at each 
+exercise venue.
+    Out of that, we distilled those down into the reports that 
+you have seen that we produced for every participant. We ran a 
+series of after-action conferences, both in the venues and at 
+the national level, to examine those lessons.
+    We have built a secure but unclassified Web portal that has 
+a lessons-learned/information-sharing component that has over 
+3,000 registrants across the Nation who are using the portal to 
+access that information.
+    Some of the most important points that we learned out of 
+the TOPOFF exercise, I will start with the foremost one, we had 
+a Department that was all of roughly 70 days old. And it 
+provided us with an unparalleled opportunity to look at our 
+roles and responsibilities for all of these disciplines that 
+had converged under Homeland Security in a manner that was 
+unprecedented. It afforded us a great opportunity, at the very 
+start of the exercise, to help to define and literally 
+engineer, in the course of the exercise, roles for people like 
+principal Federal officials--how, as Clark and Tom have both 
+alluded to, we worked together and clarified our 
+responsibilities.
+    We also learned very important lessons about how we 
+understand the impact and the effects of the agents that we 
+used in the exercise. As Tom alluded to, how do we get a common 
+technical picture of the event that occurred so that we can 
+predict the consequences, understand how it impacts our public, 
+and make sure we are providing them with the right information?
+    As a result of that exercise, we developed an integrated 
+emergency communications plan that was actually a result of the 
+very first seminar that we did in the exercise series, which 
+was focused on public affairs and had 74 public information 
+officers from across the Country at it. I'd like to give Tom an 
+opportunity to talk about some of the concrete lessons on 
+bioterrorism, and perhaps Clark on the radiological. But it was 
+a tremendous opportunity to think about the roles and 
+responsibilities for the Department.
+    Tom?
+    Mr. Mefferd. Obviously, the bioterrorism scenario is 
+significantly different than the radiological dirty bomb in 
+that it did not have any of the--typically, what is used in the 
+business--the blood and guts and gore that goes along with a 
+typical disaster. All we had was a whole bunch of ambulance 
+calls to start it off with. We have learned since the exercise, 
+I think, better sharing of information.
+    There has been significant work--Mr. Turner talked earlier 
+about the issues of communications with our hospitals. In the 
+State of Illinois, for example, we are installing as we speak a 
+satellite-based communications system that will link our 
+primary command post hospitals Statewide. We have a new system 
+that the Illinois Department of Public Health has brought 
+online to share patient information across the board, so as we 
+look at hospital capabilities, bed capabilities and so on and 
+so forth, that can be rapidly transmitted to our State Public 
+Health Command Center in Springfield.
+    We are also working on increased communications 
+capabilities to ensure that we have good epidemiology as well 
+as the ability to share that epidemiology.
+    Another major thing that came out of this exercise was 
+really built on TOPOFF 1 the headaches of the Strategic 
+National Stockpile. How does it work? How do we bring it into a 
+State? And ultimately, how do we get it to the residents that 
+need it? In our county alone, we have spent at least now 2.5 
+years before TOPOFF as well as since TOPOFF working those 
+points. And we anticipate shortly being done with the 
+establishment of multiple sites around our county where we can 
+treat every man, woman and child in a reasonable amount of time 
+to give them the prophylactic drugs that they need in this 
+situation. Those are directly a result of the lessons that we 
+learned in TOPOFF.
+    How do we do it? How do we manage it? How do we make it 
+work? You do it one way in an exercise, and then you build on 
+those capabilities for real.
+    Mr. Kimerer. The last time I was asked to recap the lessons 
+learned for Seattle from TOPOFF, 3 hours later people were 
+exiting the room. I will not subject you to that.
+    We learned hundreds of fixable things right off the bat, 
+things that were more logistical in nature, some of which we 
+want to remain confidential but involved how to manage a 
+command post and have the right equipment and anticipate the 
+decon requirements and things like that. To that end alone, if 
+nothing else happened in TOPOFF, we would be miles ahead of 
+where we were before the exercise. And we have literally 
+addressed all but about 5 percent of those small fixable 
+things.
+    Some of the larger issues, we are working diligently to 
+address. We had an issue with plume modeling which got some 
+press nationally where there were conflicts in attempting to 
+ascertain the degree to which contamination was present in the 
+atmosphere. In the end, that did not hamper the field 
+operations because the field commanders quite wisely said, 
+``Give me the largest plume, and that is what we are going to 
+respond to.''
+    Since then, there has been a lot of academic work to create 
+what is called consensus plume modeling which actually will 
+meet that gap. Those kinds of details were really invaluable to 
+address, again, in times of calm rather than in times of 
+crisis.
+    Our focus has been to continue to refine our precision in 
+implementing incident command, equipping our first responders 
+and dealing with the influx of various interests and needs, 
+including what has not really been mentioned today, the 
+business community and the private sector, in the redress of a 
+critical incident. And that does include coordination with our 
+Federal partners and making sure we do not have overlapping 
+jurisdictions or what I affectionately refer to as 
+jurisdictional creep, which I was gratified to see was not a 
+big factor in our experience with TOPOFF 2.
+    Ms. Dunn. Thank you very much.
+    Thank you all of you.
+    Now, I would like to call on Congressman Thompson, who has 
+8 minutes for questioning.
+    Mr. Thompson. Thank you Madam Chairman.
+    And I appreciate the testimony offered today in the 
+hearing.
+    Ms. Mencer, if either one of the scenarios we heard today 
+happened in a community of 10,000, what would the response be?
+    Ms. Mencer. Well, you mean, what would the response of the 
+Department be or the communities?
+    Mr. Thompson. Well, yes.
+    Ms. Mencer. All right. Well, I think that we have made 
+great strides with every successive TOPOFF, as has been 
+described, with better communications and better plans.
+    I think, even at the local level, in the smallest 
+community, because of the grant process where everyone has to 
+communicate what their needs are, what their assessment is of 
+their readiness and what equipment they still need, what 
+training and exercises they need, they are all talking to each 
+other, which we did not really see prior to September 11th. We 
+did see this with the individual TOPOFF exercises.
+    But now every community in the Nation, and in the 
+territories, has been talking about, how do we prepare better 
+as a unit, as a community, not just law enforcement, not just 
+fire, but working together?
+    So I think, all of the lessons that were learned in other 
+communities, are being shared across the Country through the 
+Web sites that we have up that share best practices. So I think 
+it would be a much better response than we would have seen 
+prior to September 11th.
+    Mr. Thompson. Well, I guess the question is, have you 
+conducted any internal review of a scenario in a rural area, 
+either one of these situations?
+    Mr. Gruber. Sir, we have conducted almost 400 exercises 
+across the Country, and they have been in every State and 
+territory. And some of those have involved scenarios in rural 
+settings. In fact, the very first TOPOFF was done in the State 
+of New Hampshire, in a relatively small community, Portsmouth, 
+New Hampshire, which is about 25,000 population, and which 
+relies very heavily on mutual aid. The event was a chemical 
+event, explosively disseminated, and involving hundreds of 
+victims. They relied on resources throughout the State and the 
+entire region. And that is an important point that the 
+Secretary and others have made about emphasizing and 
+strengthening mutual aid assistance compacts for communities 
+that do not have all the resources available.
+    Mr. Thompson. Well, so the comments I get from rural fire 
+departments and sheriffs departments and other people about 
+having adequate equipment to deal with emergencies and other 
+things, is your testimony that that is not the case?
+    Mr. Gruber. No, sir, no. We, obviously, know that there is 
+great need. We are trying, though, speaking specifically about 
+exercises, to encourage very strongly and, in fact, in the 
+manuals that we have published and the guidance that goes out 
+with the grants, to strongly encourage States to make sure that 
+exercises are available to their communities, and then that 
+communities participate, not just in isolation but as mutual 
+aid, as emergency management assistance compacts, to draw 
+resources from where they may not have them organically to that 
+setting.
+    Mr. Thompson. Well, for my own information, can you provide 
+this committee with a State-by-State listing of those 
+demonstrations that have gone on?
+    Mr. Gruber. Yes, sir, we have that breakdown by exercise, 
+by location, by scenario. We would be happy to provide it.
+    Mr. Thompson. Ms. Mencer, I do not want to pick on you so 
+much, but you know, it is your job. The issue of how we pick 
+off--pick the TOPOFF scenarios, I know we are going on to, 
+based on your testimony, to Connecticut and New Jersey next. We 
+have two Members from New Jersey on the subcommittee, one from 
+Connecticut. And I would hope, at some point, you will involve 
+them in the exercise. I would shudder to think of you going to 
+those two States without at least involving those Members in 
+what you do.
+    Have there been any communication with any of the Members 
+of the committee?
+    Ms. Mencer. Well, the process to select the venue sites is 
+a long one and a competitive one and one where they volunteer 
+to be the sites. So the States themselves were very active 
+participants in this selection process and raised their hand to 
+do that. And it was a selection process that ensued, and they 
+won. But, yes, we will indeed involve them in this as we 
+proceed.
+    Mr. Thompson. Well, I think that is really important 
+because, at some point, just like you have people from Seattle 
+here, and I am sure they were intricately involved in what you 
+did in Seattle, they ought to be likewise involved in their 
+communities. So I would encourage that.
+    Ms. Mencer. Absolutely.
+    Mr. Thompson. The Presidential Directive 8 has called for a 
+multiyear National Homeland Security preparedness plan. Has 
+that been done?
+    Ms. Mencer. We are in the process, sir, of implementing 
+HSPD 8. It is a very complex decision directive. We actually 
+have a meeting of the steering committee tomorrow where we are 
+bringing in various leaders from all the disciplines that are 
+involved with this process. We also have established concept 
+teams that look at the essential tasks and capabilities that we 
+need to establish as a Nation.
+    So we would be happy, since it is a very, very 
+comprehensive decision directive, to give you an in-depth 
+briefing on that, because it is quite complicated. Yes, we 
+would be happy to.
+    Mr. Thompson. Now, has the President formally adopted it 
+and provided it?
+    Ms. Mencer. We have done briefings up to the Secretary 
+level. And of course, it is a presidential decision directive, 
+so the President is aware of the directive, yes.
+    Mr. Thompson. No more questions.
+    Ms. Dunn. The Chair yields 5 minutes to the gentleman 
+from--where are you from, Jim? Nevada?
+    Chairman Gibbons.
+    Mr. Gibbons. Yes, I will take Nevada. Ladies and gentlemen, 
+thank you very much for your presence here today. Thank you, 
+for your testimony, it has been very helpful to us with regard 
+to our better understanding of these exercises.
+    There are three very brief questions I want to ask, and 
+perhaps, I should get them out first and let each and every one 
+of you pick one of the three that you want to answer because 5 
+minutes isn't enough time to ask this.
+    First of all, with relation to focusing on regions, with 
+these exercises, to what extent do you incorporate and at what 
+point do you incorporate the military inasmuch as there is 
+always going to be a jurisdiction who's got the best equipment, 
+who's got a better response capability, who should be in charge 
+when you are regionalizing that? I am sure that Seattle is a 
+big area, but if the National Guard of the State of Washington 
+were called in, it obviously would have a capability that 
+perhaps the City of Seattle does not have.
+    So at what point in these regional exercises do you call in 
+your military, your State military and/or Federal Military? 
+That is one.
+    second, to what extent has public relations within the 
+gambit of these exercises affected either the implementation of 
+the lessons learned or the exercise itself? And how has public 
+relations affected that? It is obviously very critical to have 
+the public involved in what is going on, not only for 
+confidence but also for just the basic control of what is 
+expected out there in terms of the public's need-to-know.
+    And finally, the intelligence-sharing aspect is very 
+critical to me. I want to know whether or not you feel the 
+communities and, especially you, Chief, feel you are getting 
+the intelligence you need today to meet the threats and the 
+responses to these threats that you are planning for in the 
+future. So any one of those three questions. You have 3 
+minutes; 1 minute each will be fine.
+    Mr. Kimerer. I think the wise person goes first, so you get 
+to pick one of the three questions. Let me take the one I think 
+you directed to me which has to do with the intelligence 
+sharing.
+    Thing is, the big frontier, it represents one of the most 
+challenging parts of creating the structure of prevention, 
+detection, deterrence and response. We are working in our 
+region through military nexus it so happens, through LINCS, 
+which the Navy is kind of the sponsoring agency for. The model 
+seeks to create a data warehouse that is secured and enables 
+agencies throughout the region to access the information and 
+then, further and more to the point, create a unified 
+analytical structure, so that it is not raw data, but data that 
+is being processed in a joint fashion.
+    That I think is an importable model. It can be used on a 
+national level and represents what I think might emerge as kind 
+of the gold standard in organizing this incredibly complicated 
+and voluminous issue of intelligence collection, analysis, and 
+sharing.
+    As far as our communication with DHS on the intelligence 
+front through the Joint Terrorism Task Forces, it has been very 
+good. I was prepared to say that we still have a lot of 
+problems, and of course, we can always be better. You do not 
+have to be bad to be better. But I am finding regular 
+briefings, regular updates, regular access to my counterparts 
+in the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security on issues of 
+the moment having to do with intelligence.
+    Mr. Gruber. Sir, if I might, I will address the public 
+relations question. At the request of the community, in TOPOFF 
+2, the very first seminar we conducted was on public relations 
+and on emergency public information, because the community felt 
+that was the most important issue that we had to struggle with. 
+We had 74 public information officers who were involved in that 
+exercise at that seminar. To make sure that the public was 
+aware, a very important objective was to reassure the public 
+about what we were doing. So we took out full-page ads in 
+newspapers. We conducted press conferences in the venue. You 
+saw a little bit in the video of Secretary Ridge conducting a 
+national press conference so that the media could help inform 
+the public about this event that was occurring.
+    The exercise was covered by over 670 media releases, print 
+and press. It had very extensive coverage, as you saw reflected 
+in the video. We also had an extensive network of citizen 
+volunteers who helped in the exercise, role-played as victims, 
+and supported the exercise activity. That was a very important 
+component.
+    And finally, for future exercises, our Assistant Secretary 
+for Public Affairs, Ms. Neely, and her team have been integral 
+to the planning process to insure that, both in terms of 
+reassuring the public and in terms of designing an exercise 
+that accurately reflects the issues related to public 
+relations, that that is done effectively and accurately.
+    Mr. Mefferd. If I might, let me build on the public 
+information and then move into the military for the second. I 
+want to indicate one of the things that we really did, that we 
+felt worked very well with regard to public information prior 
+to the exercise, was a cooperative effort between DHS, which at 
+that time was just the FEMA portion. FEMA conducted for the 
+Chicago venue an Advanced Public Information Officers Course at 
+their national academy in Evansburg. This gave us the 
+opportunity to bring together public information officers from 
+the City of Chicago, from the outer counties, as well as the 
+State of Illinois, to work through one week of hard work, 
+learning to work together as a team. And that is one of the 
+things that we have tried to keep going since that time.
+    From the military side, and just the State military, but 
+certainly one of the things that we have in the State of 
+Illinois which we are pretty proud of is a seven-part response 
+that relates not only to State capabilities but local 
+capabilities. From the State capability, the State has built 
+something called a State weapons of mass destruction response 
+team. A critical component of that response team is the civil 
+support team which is part of the National Guard Service. The 
+system that we have established in the State of Illinois is 
+that any time that there is a weapon of mass destruction or a 
+terrorism incident, a call is immediately placed to the State 
+Emergency Operating Center, and within 90 minutes tops--again, 
+obviously the State of Illinois is a big State--but in 90 
+minutes tops, there will be representation on the ground from 
+the State Weapons of Mass Destruction Team, including the Civil 
+Support Team.
+    So we feel they are an integral part of our terrorism 
+response, not only for planning but training.
+    Ms. Dunn. You did not run over.
+    Thank you all for your answers.
+    The Chair yields 8 minutes to the gentleman from 
+Washington, Mr. Dicks.
+    Mr. Dicks. I want to thank all the witnesses today.
+    And Clark, good to see you again and appreciate your good 
+work out there.
+    Let me just ask one thing on communications. There was--as 
+I understand--there was a problem between the Seattle Fire 
+Department and the Police Department, in terms of 
+communications. Has that been fixed since TOPOFF 2 in terms of 
+communications interoperability?
+    Mr. Kimerer. Yes, actually, we have a pretty good 
+infrastructure in actually the whole of the State of Washington 
+but particularly King County that supports sharing frequencies 
+and allowing for an expansion of our interoperable 
+communication as needed.
+    Of course, it tends to be a rather expensive proposition, 
+but the ability of the Police and Fire Department, as well as 
+mutual aid agencies in our region, has increased hundredfold 
+immediately before and since TOPOFF& And we look to, you know, 
+even broadening that to create a regional or even a Statewide 
+network that allows for interoperable communication and 
+flexibility in communications.
+    We were able to communicate on the basic frequencies. Where 
+I think we had some challenges when we started breaking off 
+into tactical frequencies, specific taskings, special 
+operations things of that kind, the depth that we needed was 
+not present. It is now. We still have more to do and more to 
+go, but we have certainly addressed a fair number of those 
+issues and will continue to work on it as we--
+    Mr. Dicks. In your statement, you mentioned doctrine, 
+policy and plans. Give me a sense of what this doctrine--I 
+mean, is this a doctrine of how to respond to a terrorist 
+attack, or is it a doctrine of how to respond to a natural 
+disaster? What is the difference here?
+    Mr. Kimerer. I can give you an example that exists which is 
+probably the best one, rather than making one up. The doctrine 
+of, say, incident command says that there are three priorities 
+you address, and they are priorities. First, life safety. 
+Second, incident stabilization. Third, property conservation.
+    As a commander in the field, when I have decisions to make, 
+when I have resources that I need to commit, I now have a very 
+clear set of principles that tell me what my priorities are and 
+where I make the choices.
+    Similarly, with something like terrorism, the doctrine of 
+importance to stabilize the incident and to contain it and to 
+search for additional threats, additional acts of terrorism, is 
+very high. It has to be always kept in mind. These are the kind 
+of things that a commander--
+    Mr. Dicks. That is a terrific answer. Let me ask you this. 
+As Ms. Mencer explained, it is a police scene, too, at the same 
+time.
+    Mr. Kimerer. That is right.
+    Mr. Dicks. Where does that fit into this?
+    Mr. Kimerer. That is a very good question.
+    Mr. Dicks. I would hope it is not the highest.
+    Mr. Kimerer. Not the highest. The highest is treating the 
+injured and dealing with the mass casualty, and that, too, 
+defines how we respond and how we manage the scene. We yield to 
+the fire department, who has the priority in dealing with the 
+people that need the help. We support them. When we have to 
+make a choice between preserving a crime scene and helping 
+somebody who is injured, it's an easy choice to make. Those are 
+the doctrinal issues that we hope become more and more and more 
+clear as time goes on. Exercises help us do it. Some of the 
+work that is being done by DHS is helping us.
+    But we want everybody in that town of 10,000 to know that 
+that is the most important thing, this is the second most 
+important, and then, from there, you build policies and plans.
+    Mr. Dicks. How did the mayor get along--the mayor was kind 
+of running the show, right?
+    Mr. Kimerer. Yes, he was.
+    Mr. Dicks. And then the Federal Government had its lead 
+agency. Was that FEMA?
+    Mr. Kimerer. The National Response Plan calls for the 
+Principal Federal Official; the PFO was on the ground quickly 
+in the incident and was the overall coordinator of the myriad 
+Federal assets that were there.
+    Mr. Dicks. Who was?
+    Mr. Kimerer. Mike Byrne.
+    Mr. Dicks. From where?
+    Mr. Kimerer. DHS.
+    Mr. Dicks. As I understand it, Mr. Gibbons is not here, but 
+when we were out at Northern Command and I asked this question, 
+which, as a Member of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee I 
+have been concerned about, when is the military called into 
+this, and how would that happen? And I was told that if the 
+lead Federal agency feels that there is a requirement for 
+military equipment or military personnel, that they would then 
+be the person who would communicate with Northern Command, and 
+you have got--we have, of course, the National Guard out there 
+in the State of Washington, and they have got--what do they 
+call it? The Regional Response Team.
+    Mr. Kimerer. Uh-huh.
+    Mr. Dicks. They would be involved, but there might be 
+something beyond that you might need from the military in terms 
+of if you were dealing with weapons of mass destruction or 
+something like that. Did you guys get into that? Was the 
+military called into this thing in any way, shape or form?
+    Mr. Kimerer. Military was present from the beginning.
+    Mr. Dicks. Was it the National Guard?
+    Mr. Kimerer. Both CERT, the National Guard, in fact there 
+was NORTHCOM representation.
+    Mr. Dicks. They were actually there?
+    Mr. Kimerer. Yes. Of course, the issue is, when that switch 
+is flipped, what are the conditions and criteria that need to 
+be met to engage the military in whole or part?
+    Of course, States like Washington have laws about 
+activation of the National Guard, and they proceed from 
+declarations or proclamations of the governor.
+    But having said all of that, the help we received, the 
+guidance, the counsel, the prepositioning of potential 
+resources that might be needed as the situation unfolded from 
+the military was invaluable. And it was well rehearsed, and I 
+think it is going to be there for us in the event we do need to 
+invoke that.
+    Mr. Dicks. How did the Federal-State relationship work? I 
+mean, ultimately, you get down to making some decisions. How 
+did that decision-making process work?
+    Mr. Kimerer. They were just remarkably respectful of us. I 
+am not sure what was going on when they were all by themselves. 
+No, I think that their posture was facilitation of counsel and 
+guidance, of offering support and a position of readiness to 
+take over when the jurisdiction needed to change.
+    We can't look at these incidents as being, you know, 
+defined in a single event, single jurisdiction. When police and 
+fire, fire in particular, have resolved a mass casualty 
+incident, then you go into the crime scene investigation which 
+is an FBI lead, which involves a change in jurisdiction of 
+which then we become the support entity. When that is 
+resolved--and there may be myriad of other changes in 
+jurisdiction and resource allocation between then--we go into 
+consequence management, which FEMA has a lead in, and DHS 
+obviously has a big role to play.
+    That continuum of engagement, I thought, was played out 
+pretty well in TOPOFF. It wasn't always pretty. We were doing 
+some education along the way. But there was a spirit of 
+helpfulness and support that I found to be pretty uninterrupted 
+and pretty commendable during the course of the exercise.
+    Mr. Dicks. I am told that the hospitals, the health care 
+side of this thing was of some concern. Is that right? I mean, 
+of having adequate facilities or being able to work with--we 
+had a lot of hospitals in the Seattle Puget Sound area.
+    Mr. Kimerer. We learned a lot about the public health 
+coordination side of the thing. Tom might be the one to ask. 
+They got the full meal deal on hospital coordination.
+    Mr. Mefferd. As I indicated earlier, one of the big 
+problems we had was communication between the hospitals. We 
+ramped up and played, if I remember, we had 130 hospitals 
+Statewide that played in this exercise. One of the comments I 
+have made in my written testimony is the issue of, we have got 
+to look at the scope of the exercise, and that is probably one 
+of the areas that we went a little farther than we should have. 
+And that led to some of our communications problems in the 
+exercise.
+    As I indicated, one of the things we are currently working 
+on in the State of Illinois at this time is the ability to 
+communicate Statewide over a satellite-based communications 
+system as well as an Internet-based data system tracking beds 
+and patients and so forth. So, again, we have learned a lot 
+from that exercise to more effectively work as a team.
+    But the one problem we get into when we deal with hospitals 
+is hospitals are profit-making entities as compared to 
+Government-run organizations. As we look at the Government 
+operation, we have to look at that a little differently as we 
+look at hospitals, and I think we are doing very well with it.
+    Mr. Dicks. Thank you.
+    Ms. Dunn. Thank you very much, Mr. Dicks.
+    Let me just pursue one question that Mr. Dicks asked you, 
+chief, and I would like you to respond. And that was the 
+question that only the principal Federal official would be able 
+to call in the military, NORTHCOM for example. What if there is 
+a situation where, a political situation, perhaps, where a 
+mayor or public official is the principal officer and does not 
+want to give up control of the situation to the extent of 
+calling the military? Is there anything there that is 
+available, a team of people who can be there and see that it is 
+time to call them in and yet they haven't been called in?
+    Mr. Kimerer. Well, of course, we are all going to be 
+working in a centralized operations context, an operations 
+center, which allows, obviously, access to all the key decision 
+makers. The mayor can be dealing with the principal Federal 
+official directly on issues that may result in some conflict or 
+disagreement.
+    Of course, the use of the military, probably, I think 
+literally has to proceed from a presidential directive, which 
+brings it into an entirely different spectrum. I would actually 
+be interested in kind of the mechanics of it from Sue and 
+Corey's standpoint. But my understanding, the National Response 
+Plan provides for that, but only with the appropriate checks 
+and balance of it proceeding from a declaration from the Oval 
+Office. And in that event, unless there is an exigency, we will 
+be governed by, you know, obviously, the Federal requirements 
+and the Federal law.
+    But I do say, on the other side of it, that nothing would 
+be done in a vacuum the way we are structured now. The mayor 
+would have, or the governor or the county executive would have, 
+free and open opportunity to address the issue with the 
+principal Federal official and anybody else that has 
+jurisdiction over the matter.
+    Ms. Dunn. Good. Thank you very much.
+    Let me now call on the gentleman from New Jersey, Mr. 
+Andrews, for 8 minutes of questioning.
+    Mr. Andrews. Thank you, Madam Chairman, and I appreciate 
+the panel's work, and certainly the exercise is very worthy, 
+and I have learned a lot by listening to your comments today. 
+Thank you.
+    I want to pick up on something that Mr. Gibbons and Mr. 
+Dicks was talking about, which is this crucial interface 
+between military authority and the existing civilian authority 
+at the time of an emergency.
+    Now, I am assuming that this exercise was designed in such 
+a way that you began when the emergency was reported. Is that 
+correct? So there wasn't any part of the exercise prior to the 
+explosion of the radiological bomb and the detection of the 
+first people with the plague. Is that correct?
+    Mr. Kimerer. Yes, as far as the full field exercise on May 
+12, that is correct. We did have an exercise the week before on 
+cyber terrorism which was very interesting.
+    Mr. Andrews. One of the things I would suggest is, just in 
+terms of the future TOPOFF, that you might want to start the 
+process early. In Amman, Jordan, in April of this year, they 
+did not have an exercise. They had a real situation where the 
+Jordanian secret police uncovered a plot to detonate several 
+truck bombs around the U.S. embassy in Amman, Jordan. And the 
+reports are they successfully intercepted the attack and 
+prevented the deaths of anywhere from 20,000 to 80,000 people.
+    I am curious what would happen in our exercise if it began 
+earlier. In other words, if you started the clock when there 
+was some credible operational intelligence that trucks were on 
+the way with a chemical weapon on them. That is when we get the 
+answer to how the military fits into this concept.
+    You know, one of the intriguing policy and legal questions 
+is this Principal Federal Officer--if I am using the correct 
+term--if I read the law correctly, can ask for military help, 
+certainly, but certainly can't order it. That is something that 
+the President of the United States down through the Secretary 
+of Defense would have to do, which raises some questions about 
+posse comitatus and exceptions to the posse comitatus law.
+    It raises a whole host of the questions which were not 
+dealt with in this exercise, I understand, about how this all 
+relates. If people--I assume people from NORCOM--were people 
+from NORCOM present? Northern Command?
+    Mr. Kimerer. Yes.
+    Mr. Andrews. I am sure they were present because they were 
+invited to come and observe, correct?
+    Mr. Kimerer. Corey?
+    Mr. Gruber. NORCOM and the Secretary of Defense's 
+representatives have been involved, and have been involved in 
+the design from the beginning of the exercise.
+    Mr. Andrews. I understand that, but in real life, they 
+wouldn't be sitting there in the police operations center of 
+Seattle or Chicago.
+    Mr. Gruber. In fact, that would be at the request, again, 
+of the mayor, the governor, and then the Federal authorities.
+    Mr. Andrews. I think our next scenario needs to start 
+sooner, because, you know, really dealing with two problems 
+here. It sounds to me you thoroughly vetted the second of the 
+two problems, which is what do you do once a disastrous attack 
+has occurred, in this case two of them? Who responds? What do 
+you do when you are working that through?
+    There is another, which is, what do you do in those golden 
+moments or hour when you, say, believe an attack is imminent 
+and you have operational intelligence that might enable you to 
+prevent the attack? What happens then? And I do think it is 
+important that the next scenario take that into consideration.
+    Obviously, the 9/11 Commission is dealing with that 
+question retroactively. They are looking at what happened on 
+the morning of 9/11 between the initial attacks on New York and 
+the ultimate attack on the Pentagon and the failed attack of 
+the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania, and they are trying to 
+unwind who was doing what, when who was responding to whom, 
+when. And that is going to be a useful exercise for us to read 
+that.
+    But I think it would be more useful to do it, to engage in 
+a scenario where we had such a situation and, frankly, to the 
+extent possible, within the ground rules of the game scenario, 
+to do so under the conditions of surprise.
+    I think this is a profoundly important question because you 
+have dealt, from what I can tell, rather well with questions of 
+Federal versus local and State, and public versus private 
+entanglements. And that is what this exercise is about, 
+thinking that all through. You had hospitals run by private, 
+for-profit and nonprofit corporations. You had local police 
+departments and fire departments. You had mayors and Office of 
+Emergency Management, the State and county level, and I think 
+the fact that you gamed this all through is very, very 
+important.
+    I think the missing link and one that literally may mean 
+the difference between life and death some day is going to be 
+how the military fits into this, when, who gets to make the 
+decision, who falls into the subordinate chain of command once 
+the decision is made and so forth.
+    One more question, I read the key after-action issues 
+report, and I see that, on page 4, there is the rather 
+understandable finding that there were numerous issues directly 
+related to lack of command-and-control discipline. The people 
+sort of improvised, made things up as they went along and did 
+not follow the doctrines as necessarily were supposed to be 
+followed. That does not surprise me, and I don't think that is 
+in any way scandalous. But I would ask the Department, Ms. 
+Mencer, what have you done about it since the finding? If, God 
+forbid, we had an incident this afternoon, an attack this 
+afternoon, what has changed since this after-action report came 
+out?
+    Ms. Mencer. What has changed has been mentioned previously, 
+that we now have the National Incident Management System, which 
+we are training for all over the Nation to make sure that 
+communities and essentials are up to speed with how they 
+perform in the event of an emergency. So NIMS has been 
+instigated, and that is crucial to command and control issues.
+    The National Response Plan, of course, is now also in 
+effect. As we continue to train up, those two things will 
+contribute a great deal to correcting that situation.
+    Mr. Andrews. I assume that the focus of the next TOPOFF is 
+going to be how well that is working. It is one thing to 
+promulgate it in theory and another thing to see it in 
+practice. Is there a particular weakness that emerges from the 
+analysis of the first exercise in terms of chain of command?
+    Mr. Gruber. Sir, I think Clark talked about that 
+eloquently, but perhaps a lot of it was that, in fact, we had a 
+brand new Department with very significant responsibilities 
+that was all of 74 days old. So much of what happened in the 
+exercise was concept development and experimentation about 
+those roles and responsibilities that have matured 
+significantly because, getting back to your original point, 
+there have been a host of exercises subsequent to TOPOFF 2 at a 
+very senior level, looking very specifically at direction and 
+control and how we do that.
+    In fact, we have conducted exercises specifically with the 
+Department of Defense to look at the points you mentioned 
+earlier and to explore those. In the next exercise, we will 
+integrate roughly 60 days of pre-incident intelligence activity 
+to build on the point that you made.
+    Mr. Andrews. I think that is important. And the 
+recommendation I would make, to the extent it is feasible, is 
+that the exercise start sooner. Perhaps it even start early 
+enough that it could be prevented to see how we do under that 
+kind of scenario.
+    Madam Chairman, thank you very much.
+    Ms. Dunn. Thank you very much.
+    I yield 8 minutes to the gentlewoman from the Virgin 
+Islands, Mrs. Christensen.
+    Mrs. Christensen. Thank you, Madam Chairman, and being the 
+last one here, a lot of questions have been answered, at least 
+in part. And I appreciate your testimonies.
+    Deputy Chief Kimerer, I thought, in your opening statement, 
+based on my recollection of our trip to Seattle, that you were 
+being very diplomatic and generous when you said you would hope 
+that the Federal people would recognize that the local people 
+have a lot more knowledge of their approximate areas. And in 
+response to Congressman Dicks, you seemed to say that the 
+relationship between the Feds and the local went very well, and 
+they were very supportive.
+    But that is not what I remember from my visit. It seemed as 
+though the coordination was not there and that, instead of 
+relying on the local first responders, sometimes they were 
+overstepped.
+    Was that really one of the lessons learned?
+    And then, I would ask Ms. Mencer, what has the Department 
+done--if that is indeed the case that the Department of 
+Homeland Security came and they started making some of the 
+decisions that probably were best left to the local first 
+responders who knew the people, who had been working together, 
+who knew the area, if that indeed occurred--what has happened 
+to fix that problem?
+    Mr. Kimerer. Thank you, Congressman Christensen, for saying 
+I am diplomatic. I do not hear that very often.
+    The thing I expected to happen, which actually framed the 
+way I presented it in my comments, was there would be an awful 
+lot of what I refer to as jurisdiction creep, where there would 
+be a lack of clarity as to who had that kind of priority or 
+primacy of jurisdiction. So my expectations were low.
+    I was grateful and pleasantly surprised that, while I am 
+sure things were going on behind the scenes to try and resolve 
+questions and conflicts, the general posture of the Federal 
+official, the Principal Federal Official and the Federal 
+agencies was one of helpfulness. Again, it may not have been as 
+crystalline as we would have liked.
+    Mrs. Christensen. You were pretty upset in their reports 
+that they were not--
+    Mr. Kimerer. I was focusing my attention on what was going 
+on in the field. There were breakdowns in information in the 
+field, certainly. I think many of them have been addressed or 
+are in the process of being addressed.
+    Of course, my priority as a commander, as somebody who has 
+been on the ground and who has commanded incidents is, Do I 
+have, A, the independence as it were to make decisions and, B, 
+do I have the support once I make those decisions?
+    Those, I think, were a success story in large measure in 
+TOPOFF 2. Where we go from here and where I think kind of was 
+the inspiration for my comment was to just simply, you know, be 
+vigilant about the inclusion of the local perspective. My 
+Department, answers 850,000 calls a year and makes 26,000 
+arrests and is responsible for day-to-day policing.
+    We have a great body of experience, one that I know Ms. 
+Mencer, the Secretary, and Corey Gruber appreciate. But I also 
+know that when deadlines are tight and when we have an urgent 
+job to do against an implacable foe, sometimes, it is easy to 
+just rush into a decision process or a framework or a format. 
+So I am trying to be the voice of a reminder to ensure that we 
+have the experts and the inclusion we need to make this 
+successful.
+    Mrs. Christensen. What has happened since that time? 
+Because you cannot have any confusion or conflict between who 
+is in charge and who is making decisions when you are in real 
+time.
+    Mr. Kimerer. That is correct. The gentleman that proceeded 
+you asked about what we are doing tangibly. I am on a group 
+called the Universal Task List Support Group which is 
+identifying the essential tasks that every agency needs to do 
+within its own limitations to respond to a whole sequence of 
+possible terrorist events. That is real, on-the-ground kind of 
+work that I think seeks to resolve all potential conflicts in 
+times of calm rather than crisis and sets a benchmark for all 
+agencies.
+    Mrs. Christensen. My time is running really short. Ms. 
+Mencer, did you want to comment briefly?
+    Ms. Mencer. What I think is interesting about exercises in 
+general is that it becomes stressful, just like the actual 
+incident would be. And so, because we do not generally hire 
+type B personalities to deal with law enforcement and fire, and 
+to be Federal officials, when you have an incident like that, 
+with the type A personalities who would be in charge, because 
+that is what they are trained to do, you do have some conflict 
+occasionally.
+    With TOPOFF 2 Mike Byrne, who was the Principal Federal 
+Official, was actually, in his previous life, a fire chief in 
+New York City. So he had a local background and was able to 
+relate on the scene, not only from the Federal perspective, but 
+from the local one as well.
+    Mrs. Christensen. I just hope that there is a standard 
+protocol that does not allow for confusion. I understand what 
+happens with human beings. But I hope that there is some kind 
+of clear guidance.
+    Having gone through a couple of disasters when I was not a 
+legislator, sometimes we wished they would stay out of our hair 
+and out of the way. Is there a role--what is the role that you 
+envision for your State legislators and for us? For example, in 
+a hurricane, I would be at FEMA headquarters here in their 
+command center. How do we make--how do we utilize us optimally 
+and not interfere in decision-making?
+    Ms. Mencer. I will let Corey answer this as well, but I 
+think, at the State level, we have continuity of Government 
+operation plans that are in effect in various States so that 
+the local legislators know where they are to regroup and how 
+they are to maintain their continuity of government. Similarly, 
+we need that in the Federal Government, as well, and certainly 
+are working towards having a very comprehensive plan to do 
+that. You do have an important role to play. I think we saw 
+that during President Reagan's funeral, when we had the plane 
+over the Capitol and some concern.
+    Mrs. Christensen. To me, our immediate impulse is to be 
+there where things are going on.
+    Ms. Mencer. Right, and we do not want to add to the 
+confusion.
+    Mrs. Christensen. Where do you want us to be?
+    Ms. Mencer. I will ask Corey to step in.
+    Mr. Gruber. Ma'am, I think, first and foremost, as you see 
+in the lessons from TOPOFF 2, there were very specific issues 
+about legal authorities at every level of Government. Perhaps 
+where some legal authorities conflicted with one together, for 
+example the Stafford Act, and the Public Health Act, it's very 
+important that legislators at all levels of Government look at 
+those and help to deconflict those so that, when we respond, we 
+understand our roles and have the authorities and resources we 
+need to do that.
+    And then the other role, of course, is adding hearings like 
+this that help us bring attention and visibility to the results 
+of the exercises so that legislators, again at the State, and 
+local level, understand these issues and can act on them.
+    Mrs. Christensen. I just, if I could just finish by saying, 
+I see that Illinois has really done a great job in dealing with 
+the health issues, but I hope that those lessons that they have 
+learned become a part of the national way of operating.
+    Ms. Dunn. I thank the gentlewoman.
+    And thank the panel very much.
+    I would like the record to show that the record will remain 
+open for 10 days for questions from folks or anything that you 
+would like to follow up on, panel.
+    Thank you so much for coming back here to testify. It has 
+been very helpful to us, I believe, listening to your analysis 
+and your good lessons.
+    Thank you so much. This hearing is concluded.
+    [Whereupon, at 2:58 p.m., the committee was adjourned.]
+
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+                        Material for the Record
+
+Questions for the Record For C. Suzanne Mencer, From the Honorable Jim 
+                                 Turner
+
+Setting and Running Exercises
+    1. How did the Homeland Security Council set its 15 different 
+scenarios for measuring readiness, and how do those measures relate to 
+the performance standards mandated in HSPD-8? How are those measures 
+used to determine the essential capabilities needed by each state and 
+local government?
+    2. I continue to be concerned that the Department's inability to 
+develop a comprehensive threat and vulnerability assessment is having a 
+significant, negative impact on the conduct of your exercise program.
+    a. Do these major TOPOFF exercises focus on what an intelligence 
+assessment says is a city's highest risk? Do the exercises take into 
+account a city's specific critical infrastructure vulnerabilities? If 
+not, why not?
+    b. Was there any reason to think that Seattle is at especially high 
+risk for a dirty bomb or Chicago was at higher risk of biological 
+weapons attack? Do these major TOPOFF exercises focus on what the 
+intelligence and vulnerability assessment say is a city's highest risk?
+    c. Will future National-level exercises utilize scenarios that are 
+consistent with the specific threats to and vulnerabilities of the 
+location(s) conducting the exercise? If not, why not?
+    d. What ``preparedness standard'' is used when planning and 
+conducting a terrorism exercise? What level of preparedness are we 
+training to achieve? Is this level of preparedness based any risk 
+assessment?
+    3. Homeland Security Presidential Directive 8 calls for a ``multi-
+year national homeland security preparedness-related exercise plan'' to 
+be approved by the President. Has that happened? What will that multi-
+year exercise plan look like?
+    4. According to the TOPOFF 2 after action report, there were 41 
+participating federal agencies. What role did Congress have? Were there 
+Members of Congress that played a role in the exercise? If not, how do 
+you plan to involve the Legislative Branch in future exercises and/or 
+the response to an actual terrorist attack?
+    5. How many cyberterrorism exercises have you run as part of the 
+National Exercise Program? Have cyber events been included as part of 
+any other large scale exercises? Which ones?
+    6. Some experts say that these exercises, including TOPOFF 2, are 
+unrealistic and don't provide a real estimate of how difficult these 
+disasters are to respond to. Many of the people brought in to simulate 
+victims or ``worried well'' are well-behaved and calm. Especially in 
+the event of a WMD attack, I would expect people to be extremely 
+frantic. People might not line up in an orderly fashion to get 
+vaccines. How do you build chaos into the system during these exercises 
+to see how prepared we are to keep the peace?
+    7. If city in my district wants to conduct an exercise, how do they 
+engage with ODP? Does a DHS person attend all of these exercises? Who 
+does the evaluation and the drawing out of lessons learned?
+
+Exercise Coordination
+    8. What is ODP's role in coordinating exercises that are led by the 
+Coast Guard, FEMA, ICE, and other DHS agencies? When different DHS 
+agencies are assisting state and local participants in running 
+exercises, and how do you ensure that they provide the same technical 
+guidance?
+    9. The hearing focused on exercises that are conducted to simulate 
+potential terrorist attacks and improve our readiness for such events. 
+But everyday, there are real-world emergencies and events that also 
+highlight areas where we aren't secure enough. I'm interested in how 
+the DHS exercise program incorporates these lessons learned, whether 
+from firefighters battling wildfires or the Secret Service running 
+security for a national convention.
+    10. In conducting exercises, there's clearly going to be overlap 
+with other federal departments. I assume that an exercise dealing with 
+bioterrorism needs to be planned in consultation with HHS. An exercise 
+on identifying and dealing with an animal disease has to be coordinated 
+with USDA. How does that interagency process work for planning an 
+exercise, working through an exercise, and in terms of paying for it? 
+Can you provide a specific example?
+    11. How does ODP capture the lessons learned from exercises that 
+are run by other departments, like HHS or Defense? Are they made part 
+of the MIPT (Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism) 
+database?
+    12. How much cooperation and ``jointness'' is there between DHS and 
+DOD in homeland security exercises? Are there formal organizational 
+ties between DHS and DOD? At what level? Does DHS participate in DOD 
+exercises? To the extent that National Guard and Guard Civil Support 
+Teams participate in DHS exercises, how does that work, and are the 
+Guardsmen under the Governor's or Secretary of Defense's command?
+
+TOPOFF 2 After-Action Reports/Lessons Learned
+    13. The TOPOFF 2 after-action report for the Emergency Preparedness 
+and Response Directorate and the final after-action report from the 
+Department as a whole identified numerous issues directly relating to a 
+lack of command and control discipline during the exercise. 
+Specifically:
+        a. There seemed to be little understanding of inter- and intra-
+        agency command and control protocols, and many exercise players 
+        did not fully understand the reporting relationships between 
+        the FEMA Federal Coordinating Officer, the DHS Principal 
+        Federal Official, the FEMA Emergency Support Team, and the DHS 
+        Crisis Action Team.
+        b. The report also stated that a number of major, pre-existing 
+        interagency federal plans' coordination structures and 
+        processes were circumvented during the exercise.
+    What specific corrective actions have been undertaken by DHS to 
+address these issues, and can you assure the Committee that we will not 
+see the same types of problems in the next TOPOFF exercise.
+    14. The reports further noted that there were logistical 
+difficulties accessing DHS assets and resources. Specifically, although 
+the Strategic National Stockpile was at that time under ``operational 
+control'' of DHS, exercise players were confused as to whether approval 
+from the Department of Health and Human Services was necessary to 
+access stockpile resources. In addition, the report states that ODP's 
+pre-positioned equipment program was unavailable for most of the 
+exercise.
+    Again, what specific corrective actions have been undertaken by DHS 
+to address these issues, and can you assure the Committee that we will 
+not see the same types of problems in the next TOPOFF exercise.
+    15. Finally, the Department's after action report noted that the 
+lack of a robust and efficient emergency communications infrastructure 
+in Chicago's hospital system was apparent, and that resource demands--
+including short supplies of isolation and negative pressure rooms, as 
+well as staff shortages--challenged these hospitals throughout the 
+exercise.
+    How is DHS working with the Department of Health and Human Services 
+to address these critical problems? Can you report on any progress in 
+this area?
+    16. I understand that ODP is working with the Oklahoma City MIPT 
+(Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism) to create a 
+database for first responders with lessons learned from exercises. Can 
+you tell me how many records there are in that database and how many 
+you'd like to have and how many first responders have used it? Are 
+lessons from all of the hundreds of exercises you run annually captured 
+in the database? How do you notify the first responder community of the 
+availability of new data in this database?
+    17. Does DHS use the results from these exercises in evaluating 
+first responder grant applications? If a city works with ODP in an 
+exercise and identifies gaps in its readiness, can ODP capture that 
+information when it makes the next round of grants?
+
+ Prepared Statement for the Record of Advanced Systems Technology, Inc.
+
+    Chairman Cox and members of the Committee, practicing through 
+exercises and simulations will help all those who must respond in the 
+wake of a terrorist attack to perform better in an actual emergency. 
+Superior response, achieved through a range of proven exercises and 
+simulations, will result in saved lives, minimized damage, and quicker 
+recovery. In a post-September 11 world, we cannot take the importance 
+of preparedness and training for granted.
+    Advanced Systems Technology commends the Committee for recognizing 
+this fact and for holding this important hearing. You should know of 
+the wide range of computer-based simulation tools that are readily 
+available for law enforcement and public safety personnel. And 
+simulation exercises have proven to work well in both military and 
+civilian sectors.
+    Simulation tools range from virtual, immersive simulations that are 
+highly functional for first-responder decisionmaking activities, to 
+constructive simulations that are highly functional for command-level 
+decisionmaking activities, to predictive simulation models that are 
+used to predict how particulates or gasses move through the atmosphere. 
+Each of these simulation tools has a place in the exercise and 
+simulation arena, if we expect all first responders (police, fire, 
+emergency medical) at all levels of government (federal, state, local, 
+military) to respond most aptly should a terrorist or other catastrophe 
+occur on American soil.
+    One factor holding up practicing to make perfect involves 
+allocation of homeland security funds. Our understanding is that the 
+Department of Homeland Security has spent funds to examine several 
+simulation tools, but has not yet allowed funds to be allocated to use 
+cost-saving computer simulation tools by local and state governments in 
+their training or exercise activities. It is important that the DHS 
+Office of State and Local Government Coordination and Preparedness 
+approve computer-based model and simulation tools as a required element 
+of emergency-response decisionmaking exercises and training activities 
+for all hazards preparation. Otherwise, taxpayer dollars will only be 
+spent on expensive exercises that certainly have a place, but should 
+not be viewed as the only tool in the preparedness training toolbox.
+    With regard to civilian-military interaction and cooperation, many 
+successful cross-disciplinary activities have been conducted since the 
+events of September 11, 2001. For example, in the National Capital 
+Region, three exercises have been conducted with joint cooperation 
+among local police, fire, emergency medical services, the U.S. 
+Marshal's Service, the U.S. Marine Chemical-Biological Incident 
+Response Force (CBIRF), and DHS Federal Protective Service.
+    In El Paso, Texas, the Department of Justice sponsored a large 
+school safety exercise directed at command-level personnel. It involved 
+two schools in different school districts and exercised 21 separate 
+school, local, state, federal, and military emergency response 
+agencies--this without touching precious first-line resources or 
+disrupting school activities.
+    Each of these large-scale, multiagency, cross-disciplinary 
+exercises was stimulated by the Emergency Preparedness Incident Command 
+Simulation (EPiCS) system, a system that is owned and operated by the 
+U.S. Army TRADOC Analysis Center. EPiCS is the result of an effort to 
+use existing military technology for civilian applications. It is based 
+on the U.S. Army's Janus war game program, with state-of-the-art 
+visualization tools to enhance environmental realism. EPiCS puts 
+decisionmakers from each agency involved in a computer simulation 
+exercise to the test in ``real time,'' using their own communications 
+equipment. Unlike other programs, this simulation tool integrates on-
+site decisions and results in the likely consequences of such a 
+decision. This aids in the learning process, which is why it has proven 
+invaluable to crisis managers and their staffs from both civilian and 
+military agencies. Command-level training goes hand-in-hand with first-
+responder training. Without one, the other will fail.
+    As most experts acknowledge, it is critical to train and exercise 
+response agency personnel at all levels. Standards for such training 
+are provided by the National Incident Management System and the 
+National Response Plan, and measures are provided by the Homeland 
+Security Exercise and Evaluation Program. Training and exercising these 
+standards can be cost-effective, recorded, and repeatable using 
+computer-based models and simulation.
+    A sound model for the emergency response community for standards 
+training is used by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, which conducts 
+a series of five exercises in an exercise cycle. This stepping-stone 
+sequence focuses on each core element individually and then combines 
+these activities into a unified response. The sequence begins with a 
+seminar exercise that introduces the overall objectives and procedures. 
+Then comes a series of tabletop exercises that progressively involve 
+local, state, federal, and military resources. Using the lessons 
+learned from these exercises, all agencies thenparticipate in a unified 
+command-level exercise that leads to the final full-scale exercise. 
+This cycle provides opportunities to discuss, revise, retrain, and 
+retest aspects of training without expending valuable resources until 
+all the pieces come together for a capstone, full-scale exercise. At 
+each step, simulation tools are used and have proven to be valuable, 
+effective, and cost-saving.
+    Simulation, virtual reality, predictive models, and constructive 
+models can and should all play important parts in reducing the cost and 
+increasing the value of emergency response and terrorist-related 
+training and exercises. Full-scale exercises are even more valuable 
+after other types of exercise activities using models and simulation 
+tools have been conducted. For instance, the $16 million expended on 
+TOPOFF 2 could have been spent more effectively with more robust, 
+recorded, and replayable results using computer-based simulation and 
+modeling tools. Or the TOPOFF exercise could have been preceded by a 
+progression of other sorts of exercises in order to maximize its value. 
+This perspective should be considered as the third TOPOFF exercise is 
+planned and executed.
+    While practice will make perfect where terrorism and emergency 
+response is concerned, it is important to keep in mind that large-scale 
+exercises--which involve large numbers of personnel, tie up limited 
+resources such as fire trucks and helicopters, can disrupt city streets 
+and the routines of citizens, and are usually costly--are just one of 
+many kinds of exercises and simulations available for this mission. All 
+the tools in the toolbox of preparedness training should be employed, 
+each one filling a distinct, vital part in preparation for the worst.
+    Our nation's enemies will probably not strike in the same manner on 
+the same targets each time, but they clearly intend to strike. 
+Therefore, first responders across the nation--from the police officer 
+on the street to the midlevel commander calling the shots and 
+coordinating activities to top officials--all need training, and the 
+training they get should be diverse, appropriate, and cost-effective. 
+Exercises are important, and computer-based simulations can make them 
+better.
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