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Buy a Lamy Safari Edition

>Topics appropriate for discussion:
- Cleaning agents
- Filling systems
- Nib, Pen, & Refill materials
- Tip and general pen design
- Ink compositions
- General feeling/comfiness of pens

>Approved Pen/Pencil list:
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki//ppg/_-_Pen_%26_Pencil_General

>Resources
https://www.gouletpens.com/
https://www.jetpens.com/
https://www.penaddict.com/
https://unsharpen.com/
https://mycursive.com/cursive-writing-style
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nib_(pen)
https://bleistift.blog/2013/08/origins-of-the-mechanical-pencil
https://www.explainthatstuff.com/how-fountain-pens-work.html

Previous Thread: >>92685423 →
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>>92788939 (OP)
The Lamy Safari is widely regarded as one of the best pens ever made, and for good reason. With its ergonomic design, durable construction, and smooth writing experience, it has become a favorite among writers, artists, and students alike. 

First and foremost, the Lamy Safari is incredibly comfortable to use. The pen's design is based on the principles of ergonomics, which means that it is shaped to fit comfortably in the hand, reducing fatigue and strain during long writing sessions. The pen's grip is designed to be both soft and sturdy, allowing for a comfortable grip that doesn't slip. This is especially important for students and professionals who spend hours writing every day, as it reduces the risk of hand cramps and other repetitive stress injuries.
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>>92788955
In addition to its ergonomic design, the Lamy Safari is also extremely durable. The pen's body is made of high-quality materials such as ABS plastic, which is both lightweight and strong. This means that the pen can withstand the wear and tear of daily use without cracking or breaking, ensuring that it will last for years to come. The pen's nib is made of stainless steel, which is resistant to corrosion and can withstand the pressure of heavy use without bending or breaking.

One of the most important factors in any pen is its writing performance, and the Lamy Safari does not disappoint. The pen's nib is designed to provide a smooth and consistent flow of ink, making writing effortless and enjoyable. The pen is also refillable, which means that users can easily replace the ink when it runs out, rather than having to buy a new pen every time.
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>>92788978
Another advantage of the Lamy Safari is its versatility. The pen is available in a range of colors, allowing users to choose the one that best suits their style and personality. It is also available in a variety of nib sizes, from extra fine to broad, making it suitable for a wide range of writing styles and applications.

Finally, the Lamy Safari is affordable, making it accessible to anyone who wants a high-quality pen without breaking the bank. While there are certainly more expensive pens on the market, few can match the Lamy Safari in terms of quality, durability, and performance.

In conclusion, the Lamy Safari is the best pen ever made because of its ergonomic design, durability, smooth writing experience, versatility, and affordability. Whether you are a student, a professional, or an artist, the Lamy Safari is a pen that is sure to meet your needs and exceed your expectations.
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Kinda weird seeing people go nuts about the average school children's pen over here.
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>>92789006
>It is also available in a variety of nib sizes, from extra fine to broad, making it suitable for a wide range of writing styles and applications.
in OP pick <F> is almost as thick as <B> and much thicker than the other <F> but that's to be expected with 0.06mm tolerance on the nib size
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>>92789045
Shut the fuck up you lying faggot
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>using paper in 2023
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>>92788955
>>92788978
>>92789006
Thansk, based Chatbot. I more or less agree.
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>>>92788812 →
What's a Note nigger?
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>>92788939 (OP)
>ruining /ppg/ with the lamy meme
I would almost rather have a bic, and I hate bic.
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Is this a shill general or are you actually discussing pens?
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>pen 
>technology
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>>92789424
Yes
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>>92789410
The last few thread have made it to the bump limit, so I'd say there are just some people around here who are enthusiastic about pens and pencils. I myself enjoy a good pencil for writing out statistics and code ideas.
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>>92789410
Actually discussing pens. But some people like their pens too much and are autistic (like me). Other have a kind of pen dunning-krueger and having tried only a few shit pens, they go all in.
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>>92788939 (OP)
Nice hand fedora
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>>92788939 (OP)
The European fines in OP's pic are the same as Jap mediums.
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>>92788939 (OP)
I can't get over OP's pic, even the EF in #1 looks thicker than the F in #3 & #4.
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>>92788939 (OP)
I love the Pilot G-2 0.5mm. But only half of them work out of the box.
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>>92789424
Death to zoomers.
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>>92789649
I have great memories with the G-2. I even started looking for them in my market a year ago. When I couldn't find them I bought the closest thing, a Uni 207.
Since then I've moved onto it, pic related, and even daily carry them for 3 pens now, which is unheard of for me. They are phenomenal, and have incredible ink. Unlike the G-2, they haven't skipped on me ever.
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>>92789707
Mine is a micro, btw, not ultra micro (but I'd buy the Ultra Micro if it was in my market), I wish.
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>Pilot MR (metro)
>brass body
>40$

>Kaweco Sport
>brass body
>100$

>Traveler's Company pen
>brass body
>100$

I understand the economics of mass-production (forgot the specific word) but is that really all there is to explain the price difference?
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>>92788939 (OP)
this handwriting is uhhh its not great
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>>92789781
How much do they weigh? That's a good indication of the brass quantity. I wouldn't be surprised if the Pilot is the lightest.
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>>92789813
Why not?
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>>92789813
>>92789882
I've seen far worse, in fact, that's actually fairly nice... and I can write cursive.
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>>92789881
No idea but that's a good point.
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>>92789882
just, very polite and nondescript. not a lot of personality or conviction to the choice of glyphs. just neat, rounded, and readable but with just a little bit of inconsistency which kinda gives the whole game away as something that not a lot of thought was put into.
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>>92788939 (OP)
Lamy
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>>92789978
like, if they were writing fast
>why is it that consistent?
or if they were writing slow
>why is it that INconsistent?

its legible but there’s just not a lot of character to it, thats all.
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I bought a lamy safari a few years ago because of these fucking threads and it was a complete piece of shit. I've been writing with fountain pens bought at the local supermarket since I'm like 12 and the Lamy was worse than those. Feels like shit, writes like shit.
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>>92790267
Please delete this post sir.
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>>92790207
that woman is NOT athletic
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>>92790365
Your mother does not have XX Chromosomes.
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>>92789059
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>>92790365
she's an alcoholic, of course she isn't
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>>92790393
how is that deemed acceptable
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>>92790402
how is that deemed acceptable
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>>92788978
>ABS plastic
abs is shit plastic PBT is much better
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>>92790393
stop spreading misinformation.
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>>92790523
stop spreading misinformation.
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>>92790267
stop spreading misinformation.
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>>92790557
shill thread, aint trusting this place any longer
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>>92788939 (OP)
i can't stand the safari grip
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>>92787411 →
>Love ur pens, what are they?
From top to bottom in (>>92784290 →):
Platinum #3776 Century
Sailor Shikiori
Sailor Profit 21 (i.e. 1911L)
Graf von Faber-Castell Guilloche (pic related)
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>>92790207
Finally, an actually good Lamy.
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>>92788939 (OP)
>>92788955
>>92788978
>>92789006
The Lamy Safari is a decent pen, but what's with this level of fanaticism?
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I embraced the pencil pill anons, at least until I finish them off, then idk what next
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>>92793085
it's hipster meme bs at this point, just like a casio wristwatch or an ibm thinkpad laptop. At one point it was a practical choice that the mainstream looked at as 'uncool' or 'nerdy' because it was ugly even though it was the superior product of it's category at a time. Places like reddit and /g/ turned it into a pop culture icon as a way to flex on "normies" who "just don't know" and at this point it's the incel version of middle schoolers wearing Supreme. I do have a Safari and it is great but it's like, I'm not jacking off about my toyota corolla every day....
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>>92793273
and here's my pen and watch they're usually pretty unpopular when I post here. Genta Retro Sport and a Waterman Carene.
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Are parker ink cartridges actually proprietary or can I use them in other brand pens?
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I can't always stand around and unpost my pen in the middle of walk. That's why I use Capless Decimo (Capless is too fat, and I have huge hands), but always keep around a Jotter loaded with Schmidt P900 and a Zebra Blen to lend to people.
The fact Japan is much closer to me that Europe also leans me more towards Japanese stuff, as I had my nib serviced for about 7 dollars at Pilot, they can do a nib replacement for about 40.

>>92793085
Lamy Safari is a good basic pen that works for most people

>>92793507
Why would you want Parker Ink in anything
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>>92793625
>Why would you want Parker Ink in anything

I have a few cartridges laying around already and no idea what to do with them.
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>>92793625
>Why would you want Parker Ink in anything
What? Why the bias against Parker? I don't have their cartridges but I sometimes use their Quink ink bottles; they're nothing special but they are cheap so what's to complain about here?
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>>92793427
>Waterman Carene.
Looks nice.
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>>92793625
thats why i have a multipen
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>>92793427
very steampunk anon *stifles my “hipster” laugheter*
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>>92793715
This is another reason I'm interested in knowing if they're compatible with non-parker pens, they're probably the cheapest most available ink in my area.
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>>92794004
I've used my Parker inks with some non-Parker pens, didn't notice any issues. I mean, look, reputable fountain pen inks can be used in almost any other brands' fountain pens. You take any ink and put it in any pen, 90% of the time there'll be very little issue.

In my experience, the only time I've noticed 'incompatibility' is when I used my Pelikan Edelstein (which is a slightly more viscous ink) in my Sailor pen with a MF nib. The viscosity causes the ink flow to not be as buttery smooth in a Japanese fine nib, but even then it still can write.
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>>92793715
There's never a time I would pick Quink over something else. And this is coming from someone who used Quink during my school years (2000s) because that's all there was access to.
If anything, it's is easily available.
Feathers on office paper (although I'm aware most people seem to say it doesn't) and there's nothing special about it, the black is underwhelming also. No waterproofness or archival qualities, so I can't use it for anything I want permanence for.
Don't see how saving a few dollars every 6 months to a year is worth it for me.

>>92793801
Any specific one? I use the Jetstream multipen.
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>>92794107
What I'm asking is if the refill cartridges will fit in other non-parker cartridge pens specifically.

Tho I suppose taking the ink out of them with a needle is always an option.
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You guys never seem to post or consider vintage pens much. A lot of the people here are focused on cheap pens which usually work well enough and are easy to replace, but some talk about more expensive pens like from Opus 88. That's solid vintage price range for very nice and reliable pens. Probably not NOS but great condition workhorses like the Parker 51. Sheaffer Snorkel too maybe, but I don't have experience with them. For the most part I would just stick with the Safari or Metro/Kakuno if I didn't want to jump in price to the well reliable vintage models.
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>>92794717
>You guys never seem to post or consider vintage pens much
There's very little interest whenever i post my vintages. 
>That's solid vintage price range for very nice and reliable pens.
Most people wouldn't be willing to spend $50~100 here which is the solid price range for a pen from a first tier vintage maker restored. when you start going under that price you're typically looking at 2nd or 3rd teir makers like wearever.
tbqh the lower priced beginner vintages pens have risen in value to a point i wouldn't buy.
>Sheaffer Snorkel 
i'd consider this a slightly risky purchase if you plan on buying from ebay since people have a hard time restoring them correctly so even when they say they've restored it some chances are it won't be right.
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>>92795152
Yeah that may have been bad to include I just always though it looked like a super usable pen if in good shape. I'm pretty much done looking at pens now and want to shit out my grievances before I just use a 51 if not a gel pen for the rest of time. HERE GOES
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Fountain pens: Modern US pens are fucking trash. Most modern pens are overpriced at best. The best ones are all pretty much entry level japanese. Anything other then cartridge-converter is even more obscenely overpriced. Get a Lamy Safari or Pilot Metro/Kakuno for the cheapest best pens. If you learn a little about vintage pens you can find good value with filling mechanisns that arent cartridge-converter. 

Nibs: Any nib can be any type of nib that isn't a larger one. Most are all shit from the manufacturer, from 20-500 dollars. Pay a nibsmith like 20 or 30 bucks to grind it to a width you want, smooth and get it running consistent. Gold isn't much of a factor and mostly a superficial luxury. Modern SS nibs don't seem to have rust issues, and gold's "softness" is probably completely unnoticed 
by the majority or people using it, if it isn't a hard nib regardless. Flex is an entirely different type of nib that the majority of people don't need or use and make finding a pen impossibly more difficult.

All of this is irrelevant if you want a specific pen. It will cost a ton more though for no reason unless you're buying it for a very specific type of use.

Get a Safari or a Metro/Kakuno, and still expect to send it to a nibsmith to get it running well and consistent. Get a fine (Japanese not Euro) nib if you want it to be useful on most paper and not a thick bleeding mess. If you want to splurge get a Lamy 2k or a Parker 51 in good condition for a better ink capacity. A JoWo or Bock nib unit is nice if you like throwing it in
different pen bodies or spending lots of money trying new ones.
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>>92788939 (OP)
I'll stick with my 2000
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>>92794717
>You guys never seem to post or consider vintage pens much
I own three old Sheaffers and a Parker from my Dad. He gave it to me when he retired. Not exactly "vintage" in the sense of it being from the 70s or earlier, but they are older pens, still. One of them has a slightly loose cap though, which I'm not sure how to fix. It's a pop cap, not the screw type, but that pen tends to dry after even a day of not using it due to the seal not being air tight.
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i have a ton of leads for a mechanical pencil in both 0.5mm and 0.7mm. i just bought a uni Kuru Toga for the 0.5mm leads. what do you recommend for a 0.7mm pencil?
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i actually use a kuru toga for 0.7, kept breaking leads with the 0.5 one for some reason.
using a zebra f-301 for 0.5
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>>92793507
You could use a syringe to suck out the ink and put it in any other cartridge or converter.
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>>92794717
Opus 88 is just an eyedropper with a bock nib
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Are these things popular because everyone just convert these things to eyedropper pens and run their own ink in them?
Not much of a fountain pen guy, picked up one of these to try it out and with the included ink cartridge it just writes like fuckin' garbage compared to pilot rollerball pens.
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how do I learn to write straight on a paper with no lines?
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>>92799764
use a guide underneath
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>>92799910
always?
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I use Lamy Safari for over 25 years and never wanted to switch to something else.
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>>92799595
Just buy a Lamy Safari bro.
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>using paper in 2023
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>>92789064
When you leave your mom's basement and get a job you'll see that using paper is still very common in the office environment of 2023.
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>>92789611
That's more or less my experience with the Lamy safari
One fine was super fine and another was bigger than a medium, although it did change a little with ink
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>>92790657
Now show me a safari that has gotten smooth from use
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>>92803202
Look at picrel
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>>92802997
How can I tell you're a brainlet?
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>>92803505
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>>92793427
>actually wearing a genta watch
you're the person you're making fun of. this is the apex "look at me, i know watches better than you normies" watch. it looks horrible but the excuse is "muh gerald genta" as if that somehow made it look as nice as a RO.
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>>92797398
>i actually use a kuru toga
i hope you write in japanese a lot anon
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>>92788955
never tried lamy but how can it be better than pen, japan?
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>>92800023
Until you get used to it
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>>92799595
They're cheap and seal well because all platinum pens have slip and seal
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>>92788939 (OP)
I can't believe this thread is as popular as it is. Are autists really obsessed with pens and pencils?
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>>92805028
sorry you got lost. maybe a tech savvy friend can help you get rid off this virus infected site and install the facebook app for you
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>>92805028
When I was younger I was this stupid too.
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Zoomers have no appreciation for collecting or even hobbies in general.
Such things make them confused and angry. >>92805028
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>>92805699
I just wanna see a hot nickel ball on a pussy
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>>92805535
>>92805719
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>>92788939 (OP)
>all these inconsistencies between strokes
jesus christ, those pens better not cost more than 5 bucks
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>>92806472
It's called "shading" and it has more to do with the ink than the pen. Also, most people want it.
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>>92806472
>inconsistencies between strokes
I can't see anything like that unless your talking about the ink shading.
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>>92789707
aren’t they the anti fraud pens that lawyers love?
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>>92797033
update: i bought a pentel Graphgear 500 for my 0.7mm leads
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>>92797398
darn i will probably have the same problem as i tend to put more pressure on the paper than most people when i write
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I've been thinking about getting a japanese EF pen, and Pilot 78G+ seems to be what I'm looking for. Are there any reasons to avoid this model? Are there any better options in this price range?
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>>92788939 (OP)
I don't think I can even write by hand anymore, I can barely put my signature. I haven't written on anything other than a keyboard or, very rarely, a touchscreen, ever since I finished highschool, almost 20 years ago.
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>>92803202
>When you leave your mom's basement and get a job you'll see that using paper is still very common in the office environment of 2023.
not really, I have a white collar job and: >>92809037
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>>92806327
heh
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>>92809037
You're soulless it seems.
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>>92809240
>>92809409
you need to go back
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>>92809409
based and pen pilled
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>>92809484
Imagine posting this shit whilst not being able to use a fucking pen. YOU are the only retard here.
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>>92809720
I think you should go back brother. You are not welcome here.
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>>92809409
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>>92803583
>as if that somehow made it look as nice as a RO.
There is merit if it is built differently, one can appreciate difference for difference's sake.
As Goethe says of the Germans, they are destined to do things the hard way.
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>>92809720
Almost 100% of Europe's population has been vaccinated, anti-vaxing is almost exclusively amerimutt culture. Guess the ENTIRE POPULATION OF EUROPE will be gone in two weeks. But sure, whatever helps you sleep at night, perhaps opinions of some anonymous /pol/tards whose memes you love spamming much really carry more merit then those of doctors and medical professionals (inb4 they're all paid by big pharma: this doesn't apply to EU, Japan, next to any country in fact where healthcare isn't a commodity, a concept unfamiliar to your god forsaken shithole)
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>>92788939 (OP)
*makes you are pen irrelevant*
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>>92810050
An ESL will never tell me what pen to write with.
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>>92799595
Just stick to rollerballs if you like them so much.
Since it's a ball, I think it's physically, inherently smoother.
The point of fountain pens is the writing angle and smoothness. Rollerballs have the smoothness of fountain pen ink and the slippery-ness of a ball. But the ball dictates you have to write at a higher angle.

Fountain pens aren't about glass-like smoothness.
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>>92810050
>I'm only worth 5 cents
Dogs eat dog food.
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>>92810076
Whats wrong with English Sign Language? deafphobic asshole
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>>92793273
found the mofo who don’t appreciate industrial design
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>>92790207
nakadashi lamy
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I can see why eye-droppers aren't more common.
It doesn't spurt on me, but it leaks ink all the time. By leak, I mean it sort of just lets too much ink onto the nib and said ink blobs onto the paper.

Now, I know that to prevent this, it is ideal to fill it up once it drops to around 3/4 empty. But, at that point, one would be re-filling it at the same rate as a converter.
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>>92811720
Your handwriting is both unusual and eerily similar to mine, only tidier. Scary.
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>>92793085
There's one Safari hardliner, but I like it a lot.
It's not like it's magic or something, in the end even Montblancs are just pens.
It's like necklaces, you can get them at the dollar store for almost nothing, you can buy an excellent gold one that's relatively inexpensive, then you can buy some brand name luxury shit folded 1000 times.
In the end it serves its purpose as a necklace.
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>>92793273
>Solid shit is hipster meme bs.
Everything you named is solid as fuck.
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>>92793427
That's a gorgeous pen, but you're previous points are still faggot-speak.
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>>92793085
EDC nerds go crazy absolutely bonkers
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>>92805699
Zoomers are in their mid 20s and are probably half this thread anon.
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>>92794717
Vintage pens mog modern pens.
The boomers were right, they don't make 'em like they used to.
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>>92813267
This is what happens when the market shifts from catering to the rich to catering to the poor.
Of course, America is to blame for this. An economic advisor to post-war Japan literally told them to not make things too good, because then poors can't afford it.
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>>92799595
>Are these things popular because everyone just convert these things to eyedropper pens and run their own ink in them?
That's part of the appeal.
>Not much of a fountain pen guy, picked up one of these to try it out and with the included ink cartridge it just writes like fuckin' garbage compared to pilot rollerball pens.
Rollerballs are nice but fp's have a lot of advantages to them. The preppy is smooth as fuck and most certainly matches and probably is smoother, but you may have gotten a bad nib or haven't found the sweet spot. The sweet spot is the correct angle. Of course rollerballs have the sweet spot almost everywhere.
There are other advantages like backwriting with finer lines and line variation, which you can get very little with the Preppy, but it's still there.
Nothing wrong with Pilot Rollerballs (except the non permanent ink), I use the V5 sometimes but the Preppy more often.
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>>92805028
>Are autists really obsessed with pens and pencils?
I am, yes.
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>>92810021
is this why Ursula von der Leyen is pressed with charges over corruption tied to pfizer, lead by her husband? Because you said they are honest hard-working people who care about your health? This is exactly why pfizer & co have a history of over 10 mass health incident charges, not counting charges to their children companies (legal covers)? Is this why young children all around the globe suddenly suffer of cardiac arrests after 2020 and this gets blamed on everything possible but not vaxx itself?

P.S. The guy you replied to is a faggot who brings unrelated topics to discussion, but you still managed to outdumb the motherfucker with your reply. Get aids, fag
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>>92806530
>>92806552
When I first saw shading I was confused and found it strange. Then it started to grow on me and in my mind like a fucking virus. It started making me feel aroused in a strange way.
Now I can't use ink (except black, for art) that doesn't have nice shading and can't use cheap paper that does not show it. I need help.
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>>92813534
>he doesn't know about the shading blacks
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>>92808035
Yes sir. The Uni *07 series has completely destroyed the G-2's. I'm sad saying that because I like Pilot so much and Pilot is still possibly my favorite brand overall.

Video highly recommended:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhR-koBU4zM [Embed]
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>>92808357
You made the right choice anon. Well done.
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>>92788939 (OP)
Hmm, can it fix the way I hold pens & pencils?
- Sonichu CPU Blueheart
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>>92808908
That's really gorgeous, I've never even heard of it. I wonder why it's so obscure?
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>>92803608
well i say use, but should have been past tense since i don't much use them now. they only take up a spot in the pencil holder on my desk.
mostly use pens and whiteboard markers for my kanji.
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>>92813655
If you want fraud-proof, Noodler's Inks is crazy fraud proof.
He held a competition to see if anybody could get his ink off (without obvious evidence of it being removed) and the one way somebody managed it was using freaking lasers.
Then he made the ink laser-proof.
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>>92813709
It's only sold in mainland china so a lot of people think it's a ripoff, but it's legitimate. Not many people go for it because it has to be imported and Pilot/Platinum have similar pens that don't have to deal with that, but it's the only EF nib that's not "cut off" like that of Plumix, at that price of course.
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>>92809720
>>92813528
Fuck off niggers
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>>92813703
Cute hands anon
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>>92808908
>>92813709
>>92814040
It does kind of look like a Pilot Prera.
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>>92814128
>someone called me... A VAXXIE?!
>I MUST PROTECT MY HECKIN' INVOLUNTARY CELIBATE WEBSITE CREDIT!!
see >>92809433
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>>92811720
>Now, I know that to prevent this, it is ideal to fill it up once it drops to around 3/4 empty. But, at that point, one would be re-filling it at the same rate as a converter.
There is such a massive increase in volume of liquid from the inner chambers of the radius of a ~5mm piston converter to the ~10mm barrel of a pen that it is literally night and day.
>tldr. I refill my piston converter once every few days, but I only refill my eyedropper once every few months.
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>>92813375
>This is what happens when the market shifts from catering to the rich to catering to the poor.
This may be a surprisingly good insight and I've never heard such a take on the matter.
Of course dirty corporate mindsets also play a big factor, stuff like planned obsolescence.
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>>92813703
You must have a glorious cock clutch with that death grip anon, pls be a girl... i just jerked off to that pic and don't wanna be a faggot.
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>>92814040
>>92814125
It actually reminds me of a TWSBI. Which are asthetically pleasing, but I'd never buy one.
A Pilot on the other hand, it's almost guaranteed to be solid.
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>>92793427
What happens after the hands reach at 60
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>>92803583
>>92809992
it's an modern brand with a modified eta a diamond bezel and a rubber strap owned by a jewelry company with a unique complication and because the guy who designed it also made the RO the only thing you see is the brand. You're not interested in the history of this specific watch or it's mechanism. You're interested in the soap opera of brand marketing. We see things fundamentally differently. I could have bought a steel Rolex but this is the watch I prefer so this is what I bought for myself and if that triggers you than you're the hipster.
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>>92814678
the minute hand jumps back to 00 as the hour wheel jumps to the next number
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>>92814820
Not him but... Don't go shooting hipster stones from your hipster glass tower, anon.
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>>92814934
what is hipster about a modified eta
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Why are the ink mechanisms of all pens made of plastic? Wouldn't metal be more durable, especially for expensive pens?
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>>92788939 (OP)
>fountain pens
Ermm, I'll stick with my Pentel Philography.
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>>92815174
>ink mechanisms
?
>>92814995
What's a modified eta?
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>>92815347
he probably means the feed
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>>92815174
Metal corrodes. What you really want is an ebonite feed.
Plastic feeds only barely work and they have to be etched with complicated chemical process for the capillary action to be strong enough.
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>>92815174
>>92815377
It's actually a decent question if you mean feed.
My guess:
>cost
>weight
>rust (but then you have steel nibs), maybe metal on metal would be more prone to rust with ink contact
Feeds used to be made of ebonite, but never heard of anything else. But I'm curious now if a metal feed would work.
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I really, really love this color. Kinda meh about inkjoys but I love writing math so I ordered 10 of these.
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>>92815722
I like Papermate, never knew they made gel pens.
Post writing sample, since you mentioned the color.
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>>92815524
>Plastic feeds only barely work and they have to be etched with complicated chemical process for the capillary action to be strong enough.

I wasn't aware of that, did the ebonite feeds also need chemical treatment? 

>>92815570
Yeah sorry I meant the feed, couldn't remember what it was called at the moment. I started thinking about it because I was wondering what materials could replace it in the future if oil-based plastic runs out or become otherwise unavailable.
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>>92815896
It's the main color. You can see the InkJoy Slate Blue a little bit in the bottom right.
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>>92816382
The regular blue and "bright blue" are different. This is aquamarine and though there is another color that looks more like what I think of as aquamarine I made sure that wasn't it before I ordered the bulk.
idk I just like the contrast on the page.
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lol, here's the problem I was working on.
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>>92793427
>>92803583
why the fuck would you even wear a watch in the current year, other than being a retarded obnoxious consumer? the only valid reason is being someone who doesn't own a smartphone (and this is coming from someone who refuses to even browse the internet on anything other than a desktop PC) or is too old to comfortably operate one. people who legitimatelly need to look at a clock every 5 seconds, like pilots, have it build in into their work machinery.
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>>92816664
Has your smartphone never ran out of battery on you? Or have you never been around a neighborhood where you don't wanna pull out your phone? 

Have you never needed to check the time while having an important conversation where you don't wanna look distracted or rude? Or during an exam where you're not allowed to pull out a phone?
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>>92816723
my phone battery lasts almost a week, can't remember the last time I was walking through such neighborhood (they'd rob the wach too) and I finished the uni over a decade ago, just as most people who buy expensive watches, but I admit those are valid points for some people
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>>92816664
>why the fuck would you even wear a watch in the current year, other than being a retarded obnoxious consumer?
That question can be asked about pretty much everything
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>>92808908
its a meme
japanese regular fine is already "extra fine"
(nip medium and broad are about normal, if not wider)
japanese extra fine and ultra extra fines exceed the abilities of ink's viscosity, every ink but something like xfeather which would probably clog up an extra fine, and end up bleeding out past the designed width on the tip
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>>92813375
>>92813267
lol, no the fuck they dont
all you have are the ones that are left that work well after silent boomers threw away all the shitty ones
even a chink pen like a jinhao has better production quality than a vintage parker
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>>92790207
wamy
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>>92817428
I use a Platinum 3776 ultra extra fine with Pilot Iroshizuku ink, works fine for me.
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>>92817428
is it really? I'd understand if you'd be talking about UEF, but EF? Every japanese brand sells it, I think both the producers and consumers would realize the thing isn't working if things really were as you describe. Are you sure you didn't just get a broken product?
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Where would one even buy vintage pens? Is ebay alright?
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>>92817792
You haven't stated that you want them in restored condition but I'm going to assume you want them restored.
>Where would one even buy vintage pens?
Quite a few places. Ebay, retailers and quite a few personal sites out (Professional restorers etc.) all offering quite good pens.
If you already have a pen/brand in mind then there are specialty sellers.
Ebay is "generally" the cheapest place to buy as retailers and professionals charge a mark-up (about 15~20% but can go as high as 50%)
>Is ebay alright?
It should be fine for cheaper sac based pens, just know what you're getting into and make sure that they are in fact restored. Quite a few reputable sellers there (and sellers that people think are reputable but not).
>>92816664
There are other legitimate places where you'd want a watch like if you were working in an intrinsically safe environment.

>>92816360
>did the ebonite feeds also need chemical treatment?
no. well i guess they're already treated since ebonite is vulcanized rubber
>oil-based plastic
I don't believe this will happen tbqh that oil runs out during our lives but don't we already have plastics that arn't oil based or do those still suck?
>>92814484
>>92813375
I think both consumer and manufacturers are to blame. Back in the 1920"s people would be willing to spend up to $7 for a good quality pen (just under half a weeks wages). these days you have people haggling for under $7 (like 10 mins worth of wages)
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>>92789707

307 is superior
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>>92819447
Thanks for the info on vintage pens, and yes, I do want them restored. I don't exactly have the tools nor expertise to restore old pens. Yet.
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So is this a paid shill thread
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>>92819447
>I don't believe this will happen tbqh that oil runs out during our lives

Oh yeah it probably won't, we probably have another 100 or 200 years still, but I enjoy thinking about how these relatively old technologies we keep around might look like when my grandchildren or great grandchildren are around. 

>don't we already have plastics that arn't oil based or do those still suck?

AFAIK (And I'm no expert) there's some pretty promising plastic alternatives, but plastic is very varied in properties so I'm not entirely sure if those alternatives (assuming they're ever implemented on mass) would be able to supplant with very specific properties that I assume is requires for the feed.
--- 92823710
Deciding what to use a brand new fancy notepad for and how to organize it is so hard
--- 92823789
My handwriting sucks ass after 10+ years of almost exclusively typing. Are there any resources to improve it? Like repetitive training or tracing sheets?
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>>92788939 (OP)
Practicing the Voynich script using my new Zieler set. 1.5 mm nib. Really relaxing.
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>>92824606
I really wish out scrip looked this elegant. Also, anyone found a better slim multipen than pic related? (Uni Jetstream Slim) I feel like there must be better, but this is what I use for now because I use three colors for my notes.
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>>92816382
>>92816409
Thanks anon.
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>>92817513
>chink pen like a jinhao
Opinion discarded.
Vintage pens are usually built more solidly, with better resin, and when they have better nibs they destroy modern pens.
Have you ever used an old flex nib?
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>>92820275
Based.
Yes, that's actually what I'm using right now. Before that I was using the 207 and most recently the 207 Micro. But they're all great. 307 feels like nicer smoother ink, greasier, more pigmented, and apparently it was designed to write on all surfaces.
I may go back to 207 Micro for daily carry, but that's only because I write small in my small daily notebook.
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>>92819447
>If you already have a pen/brand in mind then there are specialty sellers.
What about Sailor pens? Any specialty sellers you know of? As far as I am aware, Yahoo! Auction JP has some decent deals on used JP pens.
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>>92827439
>old flex nib
this still boggles my mind that we dont have nibs like that on the market. we have 1000 buck pens with all kinds of feeds and colors but no one can make flex nibs like they used to? its almost like the concrete they used in the roman empire
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>>92794216
You can easily check the compatibility on the jetpens site.
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>>92808908
The pen itself is well regarded. It's the included converter (CON-40) that gets shitted on for being hard to fill completely.
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>>92789006
Okok, I'll get a Safari. But what is the recomendation for the first ink for a beginner to go with the Lamy? Was thinking about a black ink from J.Herbin because it would be hilarious to use a pen used by German Schoolkids with an ink brand used by Napoleon
--- 92829085
Marx sure was silly.
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>>92815524
Noodler's pens all have Ebonite feeds. The body is also made of a pre-WWII plastic (derived from cotton or something).
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>>92813528
This idiot is prepared to believe any conspiracy theory
Point and laugh folks
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>>92828566
There's really no 'beginner' ink. Though it may be wise to start off with a basic ink, instead of a fancier one. Not in colour, just in creation (id est: price).
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>>92814084
>>92814540

Thats Chris Chan's autistic hands, you guys jerked off to an obese severely autistic man
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>>92817750
you can literally just google platinum ultra extra fine vs extra fine vs fine
theres no change in line width despite smaller tips, the difference is in the wetness of the nib, soft fine has a bigger line width difference between it and regular fine
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>>92827439
>Vintage pens are usually built more solidly, with better resin, and when they have better nibs they destroy modern pens.
>just ignore all those yellow pens that literally disintegrated
>old vulcanized rubber is totally indestructible compared to brass

>Have you ever used an old flex nib?
yeah, I literally used to buy and sell cheap watermans for 20x markup to retards like you almost ten years ago
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>>92827665
>muh flex
its literally a reddit meme, by cons- I mean 'people' who cant even be trusted to not mangle a pilot falcon nib but yet want a fucking vintage 1920s wet noodle pen
that Nu-wahl eversharp that came out with a semi flex replicates a vintage semi flex that hasnt yet become over fatigued if you open up the feed (which is already low pourous ebonite) on it a little bit
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>>92830932
yeah "ive never used a vintage nib" would have been enough
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>>92811906
>Your handwriting is...unusual
isn't that the standard letterform that used to be taught in gradeschool
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cursive is slower to read because your brain can't just shortcut processing the word by shape as easily, isn't it?
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>>92831264
it only seems that way because you can't read cursive.
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>>92831513
been able to read/write cursive just fine since elementary school, but neither is as fast as print
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>>92831550
writing cursive has always been faster and less straining than print for me senpai guess you're just built different
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>>92811906
>>92831065
How do I unteach myself grade school cursive? Do I learn spencerian or go palmer method
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>>92831643
i like italics
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>>92788939 (OP)
It is nice to see the /ppg/ general alive and flourishing. I also love that the OP actually put in the effort to add Goulet to the resources section and capitalize the words in the topics section kek
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>>92828566
The non-washable Parker Quink Black is a great choice for a beginner. Or even the Platinum Black or Platinum Carbon Black. Maybe even the waterman blue?
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>>92831065
We don't do 'p', 'r' or 'x' like that in the Commonwealth.

Photograph from wikipedia.
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>>92831618
He did say 'read' in the beginning.
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>>92832320
>read/write cursive but neither as fast

don't butt in with your worthless comments thanks
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>>92832347

>>92831264
>cursive is slower to read because
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>>92829085
These glass dip pens are so beautiful, I kinda want one desu
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>>92833507
They are fairly cheap on aliexpress
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>>92830676
>you guys jerked off to a man 

That's fine. 

>Thats Chris Chan

Oh...
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>>92827665
I really don't know why it's impossible to build such a nib today. We're advanced in every fucking way, but can't make flexy things.
>>92830932
don't listen to this clown, he's an idiot who doesn't have a clue. Flex nibs have nothing to do with reddit you fucking memetard.
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>>92830762
You're the retard if you can't even understand the importance of line variation in calligraphy, art and even regular writing.
Fucking ebay merchant pleb.
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>>92804053
that looks like shit to hold
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>>92831643
>How do I unteach myself grade school cursive? Do I learn spencerian or go palmer method
Don't!? I believe you were taught standard cursive. Are the fancy cursive even feasible to write with daily.
Plus I'm sure you can learn them and switch around whenever, your brain is not binary cursive-print. You can learn all the styles if you really have the time.
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>>92788939 (OP)
the only reason this is relevant to technology is because the chinese haven't figured out how to make ballpoint pens.
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>>92830676
>"And I am a proud Lesbian Transwoman... I am still a work in progress, always."
whew, at least it's a woman and i'm not a faggot or something.
--- 92834395
Only on reddit...
Never become like this u guys.
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>>92827665
>but no one can make flex nibs like they used to?
>>92833985
>but can't make flexy things.

It's not as impossible, to forget how to make things, as you might think.
Exempli gratia: Top hats. We have forgotten how to make them like the old days. That very shiny style.

>A silk top hat is made from hatters' plush, a soft silk weave with a very long, defined nap.
>and it is thought that there are no looms capable of producing the traditional material any more; the last looms in Lyon were destroyed by the last owner, Nicholas Smith
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>>92834395
>reddit
Those stupid motherfuckers only collect shit to post it online but never fucking use any of it irl
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>>92834395
owning 4 pencils and a nice carrying case? sounds horrible. maybe stop going there?
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>>92833507
They aren't too expensive.
A nice, fancy one, made in Italy from historically famous Venetian glass, is about fifty bucks.
Mine isn't one of these, though I do hope to eventually get one.
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>>92834395
>the virgin "collection of pristine condition high-end mechanicals that never gets used"
>the chad grimy $10 staedtler lead holder that gets used every day and underlies every ink drawing
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>>92788939 (OP)
Is it 
>laimee
or
>lawmee
?
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>>92835175
>lawmee
dieses
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>>92835173
>the man-God 'collection of pristine condition high-end mechanicals that gets used every day and underlies every ink drawing'
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>>92835149
these have always intimidated me, I tried ink with a brush on rice paper like trad Chinese style and the ink spread so quickly you had to be very deliberate and precise and it seemed like a skill that would take years to refine just to get something remotely presentable. I've also heard that they need a different type of ink than fountain pens? I would imagine you'd need something more viscous or it would just drip off almost instantly...
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>Taipei, China
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>>92834395
what's the problem?
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>>92805699
>Zoomers have no appreciation for collecting or even hobbies in general.
what?
--- 92835804
My favorite pens to write with are the Jetstream and Energel.

Is there a metal body with a sharp knurled grip that I can get that will fit either of those refills? (kinda like rotrings style)
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>>92835615
>Taiwan, officially the Republic of China (ROC)
yes. like it or not
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>>92835891
They don't mean it like that. You can tell because they didn't include the flag
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>>92835910
then enlighten us, how do they mean it and what kind of virtue signaling would you like to see?
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>>92835615
>Taipei, China
We can still destroy the PRC desu.

'China has The Bomb. [...] Sometime in the future--25, 50, 75 years hence--what will the situation be like then? By that time the Chinese will have the capability of delivery too. That's the reason some schools of thinking don't rule out a destruction of the Chinese military potential before the situation grows worse than it is today. It's bad enough now'.
- Curtis LeMay
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>>92835973
Have you never heard of the 'one China policy'?
Taiwain, according to the PRC, does not exist as a country. It is simply a province of the PRC.
This is also vice versa when viewed from the ROC.

What they mean is they do not acknowledge Taiwan as a country, which is what the PRC has been pressuring businesses to do.
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>>92836011
cause it isnt as of right now. but hey have my updoot for visibility
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>>92835973
They are kneeling to the PRC, meaning they are cucks. Either put the flag and call it Taiwan, or don't put anything at all.
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>>92835600
No, it's not so complicated to use.
You can see in my photograph that I used Pelikan 4001, which is for fountain pens. Dip pen ink might work better but fountain pen ink works quite fine. Just wipe the nib on the bottle once or twice to remove excessive ink.
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>>92836084
have you tried calling them cucks for following a international legal status? did it work? maybe call for a boycott of the evil lamy company. they probably have nazi roots given that htey are from germany so you can use that
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>>92836067
>cause it isnt as of right now
According to the PRC and everybody who wants to do business with them.
But majority rule isn't absolute truth.
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>>92836067
>>92836154
>salt
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>>92836168
its international law. simple as. same as ukraine is seen as independent no matter what russia might think.
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>>92836154
>U.S. policy has not recognized the PRC's sovereignty over Taiwan (2007)
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>>92836211
>its international law. simple as
>countries, such as the UK, Canada, Australia, and Japan like the U.S. acknowledge but do not recognise the PRC's claim [over Taiwan]

You're right, it is simple.
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>>92836186
based. where do we organize the boycott of lamy? discord?
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>>92836345
>whataboutism
>"oh shit I have no argument... WELL YOU PROBABLY OWN SOMETHING MADE IN CHINA SO I BASICALLY WIN, OK?"
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>>92836345
Why the fuck would I or should I give a shit about what Russia thinks?
It seems like you're trying to 'get' me but you're too retarded to manage it.
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>>92835131
You didn't quite get it. There's nothing wrong with owning 4 pencils, and nothing wrong with a nice carrying case. One thing I find funny is they spent the most amoiunt of money for the shittest respective tools, all in 0.5mm. They have awful taste and don't even use their shit. It's consoomption masterbation.
>Rotring wobble 800
They could have got a 600 since it's carried in a case, but they don't even carry that case.
>TWSBI mech pencil, kek
>Kaweco 0.5mm mech pencil 
This:
>>92834944
>>92835173

>>92835744
See above.
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>>92835175
>do re MI fa sol LA si do
Take the La and the Mi from it, and that's (the most) correct pronounciation.
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>>92835891
If Taiwan considers itself its own country then I consider Taiwan its own country.
>tldr; Taiwan considers itself its own country
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>>92836429
no im just trying to prepare the first paragraph of our official lamy boycott letter. didnt want to start with calling them cucks like the other anon
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>>92837450
Are they all the same kind of wood with different finishes?
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>>92836540
Taiwan doesn't consider itself it's own country. It considers itself the real and only China.

Even though the young people now kinda are in the intependent Taiwan movement.
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>>92837662
So if China considers Taiwan to be China, and Taiwan considers itself to be China, then why is the whole issue so controversial?
--- 92837928
>leave /ppg/ for a day
>come back to see people arguing about China and Taiwan
What the shit?
--- 92837958
>>92837928
You missed the Covid vaxx discussion
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>>92837797
It's controversial because Western media wants it to be controversial. It serves the USA's interests to antagonise China.
But enough /pol/itics from me.
--- 92838271
PARKER Duofold Centennial?????
More like....
BAKA Duofold Centennial, amirite??????
huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue
--- 92838282
>>92836435
I imagine that consooming lets them get a feeling that maybe someday they'll do something important with them. It is frankly very hard to justify fancy pens if your calligraphy is shit, you suck at drawing, and don't need to handwrite anything on your everyday life.

I own exactly 1 pen and honestly have to force myself to use it.
--- 92839645
>ctrl + F "pigma"
>ctrl + F "micron"
Threadly Sakura Pigma Micron recommendation post.
--- 92839665
It's so hard to start writing in paper. I'm so used to vomiting my toughs into a word document knowing I can erase and improve it slowly afterwards, but I can't bring myself to press the pen down into the paper until I know that what I wanna say will work 100% and it just doesn't seem to happen ever.
--- 92839890
>>92839665
write a draft document, then you improve on it and write a final document
--- 92840145
>>92788939 (OP)
Bought my dad a Jinhao 35 as his first fountain pen, I was worried when I saw the review of his falling apart. But the only issue is how slick the grip section is, the Fine nib writes extremely fucking well and he's actually been trying to draw landscapes with it.

I use a Lamy Safari and I'm planning to get the 20 dollar Heart of Darkness ink for the free pen, and the 'Turquoise of the Mesas' blue for the shading effect. I think it'd be fun to draw with. Besides that. Lamy Safaris are fun. I like the idea of a durable looking pen to be carry around with my sketchbook. 
One thing I'd like is to possibly engineer a traveling inkwell that is NOT fucking 35 or 70 dollars. They're both friction fit, so having to pay 70 dollars for some cheap injection molding, silicone and 50 cents worth of glass is fucking gay. I'm planning on buying my own bottles off of amazon and drilling holes into the caps to design my own traveling inkwell in the caps.
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>>92811720
How's the Charlie pen?
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>>92840145
I got that HoD ink bottle some time back, been liking it.
Pen though you gotta deal with it stinking for a while before it goes away.
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>>92840145
Yeah most inkwells are so ridiculously overpriced it's unreasonable. Same with a lot of pen pouches.
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>>92840323
What's the stinking like? I heard someone say it's like... earthy. Like something obviously organic. kinda like a bunch of plant fibers mushed together
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>>92840973
Don't remember actually, but it was bad. Didn't use it for some weeks.
--- 92842462
Eyedropper or just refill the cartridge using a syringe?
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>>92842462
the latter.
--- 92842762
How does the 207 Plus compare with the original?
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>>92842462
I converted a preppy to an eyedropper pen and it took it from an absolute shitter to something that I would actually ink drawings with
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>>92832084
same, i like to drop in from time to time to sperg out about pens, max comfu
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>>92837797
because there are two competing claims to sovereignty
im not sure why you are struggling with this so much, this has all happened in living memory
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>>92842462
I have a purpose made eyedropper pen, doesn't burp which is nice, but if I didn't then I'd eyedropper something for dat ink capacity
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>>92788939 (OP)
It is the best fountain pen!
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>>92831001
>>92833985
>t. reddit retards who probably dont even own anything more than a pilot metropolitan
post fountain pens
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>>92810050
A fellow penman of taste. My preferred pen is highly uncorfortable to all but the most emperienced and skilled penmanshipmen. Despite it's steep learning curve, the humble yet refined Kilometrico has writl bility and reliability second to non .
--- 92846774
I love fountain pens but I have lost way too many Lamy chans during my extended travels to continue justifying further purchases. Feelsbadman.
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Bump-o.
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guys... i cant read cursive japanese at all
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>>92788939 (OP)
But the Lamy is ugly. Too much Germanic utilitarianism, too much bulk, not enough aesthetics.
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>>92838271
kek, at least you got the pic right anon.
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>>92842762
It doesn't ship to my country, otherwise I'd have tried it already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0W9-j6jqmg [Embed]
Apparently they changed up the barrel and changed the ink formula. My favorite pen channel dude says it's a bit more water, fraud and fade resistant.
I'd use it instead of the 207 just for those features (besides the barrel, which looks ugly). In fact, I would just get the refill and pop it in the faux carbon 307 body, which is my favorite "batman" body.
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>>92843497
>I would actually ink drawings with
It's an ink-monster. What ink do you use for drawings? Noodlers Black here, but I'm open to trying new stuff. I've heard good stuff about DeAtramentis and Platinum Carbon.
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>>92846111
>Calls people retards then asks them to post pics.
Yeah, how about you go learn to not talk like a subhuman first.
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>>92846723
kek, at this refined post.
People are too hard on ballpoins here. But it's true they're shit for long writing.
Regarding the "popular" ballpoints, I kind of like the Papermate write bros and Bic Round Stics.
They have nice line gradation.
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>>92848988
This
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>>92848988
>>92851208
I like it except for two things:
>The huge clip and the tripod grip.
I like how chunky it is and the texture.
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>>92848755
Jesus Christ
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>>92848988
also they support the opressive regime in china. typical germ stuff. fitting digits id say
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>>92849806
I only have noodlers black, and it's a really nice black. Only problem is that it really doesn't respond well to kneaded erasers no matter how long you wait, so I would still use fineliners and india ink for anything you're going to spend a decent amount of time penciling first, saving the fountain pen more as a sketching tool
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>>92793085
people clinging onto anything for validation and superiority complex
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bump
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>>92810050
Ah yes, the timeless frindle. The true primary filter of penmanship tools.
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>>92848755
still more legible than Chloe's handwriting.
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>>92854876
sea creature themed vtubers are generally based retards
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don't know if they're the best, but definitely good for sketching on a nice afternoon, i like using water based ink and then a brush pen for shading
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>>92854876
fair
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>>92852743
>and it's a really nice black.
It really is. In fact, one of the deepest, most matte, flattest blacks I've ever seen.
I just hate that it smudges (when touching, erasing or mixing mediums) on anything other than the finest platinum, 0.2.
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>>92855502
>Lamy Safari OP again
kys
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>>92855502
>Replying to yourself