Fri Apr 28 08:31:08 UTC 2023

k/57934259.txt

@@ -576,3 +576,34 @@ Fuck, wish I had noticed this thread Saturday, will writefag if I get the opport
 --- 57990519
 >>57988937
 Will do my best to keep it alive, anon.
+--- 57991850
+>>57975305
+yeah
+--- 57991882
+>>57934259 (OP)
+My plan for that scenario:
+>Find mages guild asap
+>Learn telekinesis
+>Antimatter nuke fantasy russia into oblivion by simply switching electrons around 
+And that is only the beginning of a long list of cool shit one could do with magic normal magefaggots are to stupid to come up with
+--- 57993667
+>>57991882
+>Antimatter nuke fantasy russia into oblivion by simply switching electrons around
+
+/pol/-lite spotted. Get the fuck out newfag.
+--- 57995927
+>>57934259 (OP)
+>become necromencer
+>bring back john lenon
+--- 57997527
+>>57995927
+--- 57999605
+Bump
+--- 58000909
+>>57991882
+>Durrr telekinesis has no limits on area or concentration 
+I love when fags write a huge hole a child could exploit into a system that implied no such thing, then self insert into being "smart enough to exploit it"
+--- 58002526
+>>57946224
+>Big band. A new world full of purpose should not know the depressive morass of the music of the dissolute.
+Bullshit. You'd take big band music anywhere because you just like the stuff so much.

k/57934267.txt

@@ -1390,3 +1390,235 @@ how to fix /k/
 there finally a clean board
 --- 57990688
 My Bulgar AK > some dumb poolak poorly copied POS trash
+--- 57991492
+>>57990678
+Stfu, seethe, and gtfo.
+>>57990688
+Polish Beryl (AK) > your shit Bulgarian AK all day every day:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mtUK7qUobI [Embed]
+7,62
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX6Q222nc5w [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiC-6IflooU [Embed]
+5,56
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L45wzoIkKwk [Embed]
+Mini-Beryl
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y99C0RX0Vuk [Embed]
+Beryl (5,56) reviews in English:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pabhlzczUCw [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z-zn0GfafI [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlk1nFGh9fI [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2veJSlseOo [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S082UgDg5bA [Embed]
+
+P.S. Heck, even the Polish Tantal (AK) > your shit AK:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmAHZmGwJM8 [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZeHLjNLo3U [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUlvtcnae7w [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCfsBsQUhY4 [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjGFflM6WPE [Embed]
+--- 57992029
+>>57990678
+>>introduce flags to filter out nogunz nations
+Oh, I'm fine with that, because you can own guns in Poland, also you don't even need to have a license for older black powder guns! ;3
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIEYauE9jzI [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDu_WBTdGgo [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyH5m6n-wqU [Embed] - Eng subs (CC).
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77TNCUg7p_w [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYrRCMCnOLQ [Embed]
+>>rangeban eastern europe
+How good that Poland lays in Central Europe. ;)
+https://youtu.be/Hn8XXPl1vjU?t=54 [Embed]
+>>rangeban all thirdoids countries while you are at it
+Just great that Poland is a 1st world country! ;D
+https://youtu.be/X1xBpBaBbrA?t=19 [Embed]
+--- 57992317
+>>57991492
+>>57992029
+>spamienie linkami
+to już jest autyzm anon :c
+
+the gun looks great, but as a fan of bullpups and looking at the review videos it looks like the bullpup version has a pretty bad weight distrubition and kicks so much more than the conventional version, that's a damn shame
+--- 57994424
+>>57935353
+why are you not at the front?
+--- 57994616
+>>57944095
+Bro I kinda like that fugly pos on bottom.
+
+I blame MGS1 for my love of the shitpup
+--- 57997846
+>>57992317
+We'll see what the new bullpup version will bring.
+>>57994616
+Snake? You've been simply scarred, no way back.
+>>57990688
+No but seriously, let's compare older Polish AKs...
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKVTlLn-ACo [Embed]
+...with older Bulgarian AKs.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq2VIT7Pst8 [Embed]
+
+P.S. Notice how often the Polish weapons factory (Circle 11 aka Fabryka Broni " Łucznik" - Radom) is praised for their high-quality machining work. FB is well known for high quality in the USA amongst gun collectors. ;)
+--- 57998509
+>>57990678
+Just actually ban the single shizo Pole who keeps making these threads. I mean he's so blatant, spamming links to shitty 500 views YouTube school project videos, posting the same thing five times in a row because he fucks something up in the post and assorted retardation. He's the most obvious serial schizoposter I've ever seen.
+>>57992029
+The reason you can own them is because they literally aren't considered firearms in most countries.
+So yeah, technically noguns still.
+--- 57998632
+>>57935353
+Has an ACR with steel case ammo and a holosun. Rope yourself. Also nice larp, no one seriously uses lancer mags.
+--- 57998777
+>>57962050
+Honestly, that makes my balls wet
+--- 58000149
+>>57998509
+>links to shitty 500 views YouTube school project videos,
+>Task & Purpose
+>930,610 views
+>Strzelnica tv
+>168,049 views
+>Huta Stalowa Wola S.A.
+>302,305 views
+>SHOT OFF
+>57,859 views
+>VICE
+>1,297,103 views
+>Historia bez cenzury
+>1,195,590 views
+>Found And Explained
+>1,194,082 views
+>Militaria.pl
+>76,580 views
+>Fabryka Broni
+>31,242 views
+>BullpupForum
+>55,674 views
+>GunWebsites
+>56,191 views
+>HISTORIA REALNA
+>703,378 views
+>TLDR News EU
+>389,634 views
+>Economics AltSimplified
+>440,620 views
+>Poland Today
+>55,280 views
+>Uniwersytet Jagielloński
+>52,192 views
+>BazBattles
+>513,296 views
+>Real Crusades History
+>539,513 views
+>HistoryMarche
+>1,544,769 views
+>SandRhoman History
+>1,527,473 views
+>Historia w 5 minut
+>249,211 views
+>The Great War
+>517,780 views
+>Frag Out!
+>260,252 views
+>Military Arms Channel
+>804,382 views
+>Mrgunsngear Channel
+>63,848 views
+>9-Hole Reviews
+>636,588 views
+>KLAYCO47
+>51,362 views
+>GunThots
+>88,624 views
+>BrzydkiBurak
+>402,966 views
+>Saguaro-Arms
+>657,460 views
+>Geography Now
+>3,472,596 views
+>NowThis Originals
+>719,075 views
+>SpencerAK74M
+>87,492 views
+>OregonShooter
+>150,799 views
+>Forgotten Weapons
+>221,579 views
+Yeah ok, suuure, bruh.
+>So yeah, technically noguns still.
+I said, in Poland you can own real rifles when you apply for a gun license, but on top of that you can own black powder shooting GUNS without any papers. So, cope some more. ;D
+--- 58001774
+bp
+--- 58001803
+>>57998632
+>Has an ACR with steel case ammo
+good for shooting steel at 25 yds
+>and a holosun
+not buying an delaminationtech sorry not sorry, ill stick to aimpoint/holosun/acogs
+>lancer mag
+polish GROT mag 
+
+now post nods + gun + stamp
+--- 58001922
+>>57934267 (OP)
+Because it's the ACR that lived and after FB Radom finally figures out how to build a 922r compliant version of this gun to bring it into the US, there will be no need for the ACR anymore.
+--- 58002013
+>>58001803
+>polish GROT mag
+>>58001803
+Wtf, I've just noticed that >>57954072
+And here I thought you personally wouldn't stoop so low to buying "copy pasted" and "inferiorly" built Polish vermin stuff, huh...
+--- 58002075
+>>57935353
+Holy shit, IT IS a Grot mag indeed. The fuck?!
+
+P.S. All that trash talk on the Grot and Poles, yet all while you're using Polish Grot mags, making your Mossada just a little bit more Polish in the process, just... poetry! xD
+--- 58002160
+>>58002013
+>And here I thought you personally wouldn't stoop so low to buying "copy pasted" and "inferiorly" built Polish vermin stuff, huh...
+its worse than a gen 2 pmag, so yes they are inferiorly built
+>yet all while you're using Polish Grot mags
+One* dont see myself buying anymore of them over an OKAY or pmag
+
+also guns nn nods remain uunposted
+--- 58002920
+>>58002160
+>its worse than a gen 2 pmag, so yes they are inferiorly built
+Yeah okay, in what way and by what criteria. Polish polymer FB Beryl mags are praised and already have a good track record, so why wouldn't it be the same for FB Grot mags, huh?
+https://youtu.be/o-GqgCtnn1o?t=25 [Embed]
+--- 58002930
+>>58002920
+Like seriously.
+--- 58002952
+>>58002160
+>One*
+Haha, excuses, you've already bought it, cope.
+
+P.S. Btw, does the PMAG M2 come in polymer? Because if not, then you're comparing mags from different "leagues".
+--- 58002974
+>>58002952
+Oh, and also here, here's your "superior" Chinkpul btw, oh boy... KEK!
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZE2jEhOPQY [Embed]
+--- 58003040
+>>58002920
+>>58002930
+>>58002952
+>>58002974
+None of those guns are yours.
+--- 58003403
+>>58003040
+Proofs? Anyway, I like how you're deflecting from your "better" PMAG GEN M2s failing in this vid >>58002974
+>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZE2jEhOPQY [Embed]
+Oh, and I found this gem now as well!
+https://youtu.be/Nu75yYtRkbg?t=42 [Embed]
+
+P.S. >>58002952
+>polymer
+*see-through polymer
+--- 58004037
+>>58003403
+There's more such PMAG "working fine" vids, lots of these in fact:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMsCH_WU3tc [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QNQ7IOl5sk [Embed]
+Heck, even the PMAG AK mags have hiccups:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLUQFTcifRk [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-XQJwLoTs4 [Embed]

k/57939737.txt

@@ -754,3 +754,81 @@ Beans expended, switching to universal short rifles.
 --- 57991297
 >>57989850
 800€
+--- 57991554
+Post crests, factory rollmarks and or neat stuff
+--- 57992283
+>>57991554
+--- 57993210
+>>57939737 (OP)
+Has anyone gotten squibs from Yugoslavian surplus ammo for mauser and Tokarev before? I have a lot from sga I ordered. Also how would someone check before firing if it will be a squib?
+--- 57993932
+>>57990941
+Will a Type C stock fit on a standard 1903 with the hump upper hand guard?
+--- 57995479
+>>57943321
+>>57943395
+>>57943431
+>>57979503
+>>57985002
+>HK has never imported any P8A1 into the US
+>P8A1s made for export
+>t. seething retards who cant tell what the CIPN marking means
+>retards proceed to hopping down on this anon's cock being this confidently retarded LMAO
+I cant imagine being this retarded you all need to stop playing vidya and start buying guns
+--- 57995639
+>>57995479
+>muh cip
+Yeah, that proofmark is on any firearm sold in europe, he bought a p8a1 for the civilian market, hence not surplus
+--- 57995685
+>>57995639
+>p8a1 made for the civilian market
+nigger are u this retarded?
+--- 57995805
+>>57995685
+--- 57996349
+>>57995805
+baka u know these arent made for the civilian market right?
+--- 57996440
+>>57993932
+>Will a Type C stock fit on a standard 1903 with the hump upper hand guard?
+Yes, it was designed for such a rifle.
+--- 57996902
+>>57991554
+--- 57996975
+>>57991554
+--- 57997503
+What's a good price on a Vetterli? My LGS has one for $400.
+--- 57997850
+The tang mark on my 1919 tula FrankenMosin.
+She isn't very accurate.
+She's made of many different guns that have been cobbled together.
+But her reciever and barrel are original.
+And she is mine.
+And she is both fun and satisfying to shoot.
+--- 57997861
+>>57997850
+And like an idiot I forgot to add the picture...
+--- 57997865
+>>57997503
+>What's a good price on a Vetterli? My LGS has one for $400.
+That's like asking for a good price on a Toyota. What nationality and model of Vetterli are we talking? $400 is high for an Italian Vetterli-Vitali or Vertterli-Carcano, decent for a Swiss Vetterli, a steal for an Italian still in single-shot configuration with no magazine adaptation.
+--- 57997898
+>>57997865
+It's a Waffenfabrik Bern. Just have the listing. I'm saving up for a WASR so if it's not a decent deal I'll pass.
+
+www.armslist com/posts /14315117/minneapolis-minnesota-rifles-for-sale--waffenfabrik-bern-vetterli-10-4x38mm-33----r42
+--- 57997940
+>>57997898
+>www.armslist com/posts /14315117/minneapolis-minnesota-rifles-for-sale--waffenfabrik-bern-vetterli-10-4x38mm-33----r42
+IMO it's a little too worn and from the most common manufacturer to be a good deal.
+--- 57997973
+>>57997940
+That was my gut instinct. I'll hold off for now.
+--- 57998616
+>>57997850
+>>57997861
+Nice. I shot my 1920 Tula last weekend. More accurate than I remember –merely bad, not terrible. Trigger still atrocious.
+--- 58000766
+Bump
+--- 58001618
+Late Anzac post

k/57947492.txt

@@ -1032,3 +1032,205 @@ Imagine a few hundred mil spec quadcopters sneaking up on your position in the m
 I'm surprised no one in the thread has mentioned the theoretical doomsday weapon that the soviets considered building / may have built after testing the tsar bomba. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_device Basically a super high yield hydrogen cobalt bomb. Or hundred/thousands of them rigged up to explode in certain locations in order to bathe the earth in radiation so intense that all life on earth would die from radiation sickness. You could also (and this would be very difficult and expensive) build nuclear reactors that are designed specifically to melt down, forever, in the worst way possible. Like Chernobyl, but worse. Maybe build them in key parts of your country so that if you were under nuclear attack, you could set them off and fuck the whole world up with radiation. 
 
 However, nuclear devices exploded at high altitudes result in much more widespread but slower fallout, especially for dirty or cobalt-like weapons. The radioactive isotopes are caught in the natural global meteorological processes which, because of the extraordinary hardiness of the isotope, will cycle many times throughout the condensation and evaporation process, resulting in global spread and the effective destruction of usable water for plants, land animals, humans, and sea life.
+--- 57992041
+>>57990870
+>sea life
+doubt, the oceans are incomprehensibly huge. The volume is so high you couldn't possibly saturate them.
+--- 57992150
+>>57990597
+>biologically engineered super viruses or bacteria are impossible because, i just said so, okay
+Not because I just said so, but because it's literally fucking impossible.
+
+>There is literally a species of tick wandering around in the south with the ability to expose you to a certain kind of protein which makes you allergic to red meat.
+If it's fed on another mammal first. Because injecting the protein into your blood makes you allergic to it because your body remembers it as a fucking invader.
+
+
+You are describing an immune response. Because everything on earth has a powerful, sometimes overactive, immune system. And THAT'S why world ending superbugs will never be a thing. Nothing infects everything. Nothing will ever infect everything. There's no such thing as a skeleton key in nature, you ignorant dumbfuck.
+
+>We have grown ears on mice my dude. You've got to educate yourself on genetic engineering.
+That wasn't done with genetic engineering.
+
+>That reminds me, parasites! Obviously more complex than viruses and bacteria- but seriously what makes you think they wouldn't modify a pre-existing parasite to be able to infest more people, spread and reproduce easily and be more deadly in a long term context?
+Resident Evil is fiction. Nobody gives a shit about parasites. That's poor people shit. There's no money in it unless we're talking cattle.
+--- 57992477
+>>57992150
+>but because it's literally fucking impossible.
+Gain of function is impossible? On the contrary, it's actively and publicly resesrched.
+You're acting like just because a 100% lethal virus isn't possible to create due to how infection works, it's also impossible to create something like the Black Death in terms of transmissibility and mortality.
+--- 57992650
+>>57968008
+Basically. 
+The future is incremental improvements on drone swarms and the efforts to counterplay them.
+--- 57992668
+>>57970393
+We're really just waiting for someone to make a once in a century breakthrough in battery technology to implement exoskeletons. 
+Until that point, batteries are just too heavy for things to work out.
+--- 57992687
+>>57992668
+augmentations that utilize bodily energy would solve this
+the body is crazy energy efficient so matching or exceeding that would be hard
+--- 57992753
+>>57947571
+Isn't plasma weaponry already a thing? I have seen several documents and videos showcasing it. The issue with plasma weapons is that they require too much energy and there are no batteries great enough power them. Also, plasma weapons are not currently portable. They are huge clunky pieces of equipment that you see in a laser laboratory.
+--- 57993814
+>>57992477
+Gain of function research is how you produce vaccines, like the one Chang has been working on for SARS at Wuhan since the outbreak years ago. Gain of function research is also how you create biological weapons, like the one that escaped from Wuhan. My own personal theory about COVID was that is was indeed a Chinese biological weapon designed to target Americans, since essentially you had to be a fat, diabetic lard ass to die from it (like us fine Americans). It escaped the lab, and Chang had a choice to come clean because turns out it actually worked on everyone...OR...get as many sick chinks on to planes to Europe and the US to intentionally spread their fuck-up so they weren't the only ones giga-fucked by their mistake. The US government knew about that aspect, which prompted the lockdowns because they were absolutely terrified that it would actually work as intended. There was an interesting screencap on /pol/ floating around for a while that mentioned this exact thing, specifically the Vid being a medium term disability weapon to overwhelm the target's emergency contingency planning and grind their economy to halt. The cap also mentioned something about an Ebola outbreak in Erenhot that was caused by something naughty escaping the lab. Funny enough, there indeed was an Ebola outbreak around that area in Inner Mongolia some years ago.
+--- 57994006
+>>57992477
+>You're acting like just because a 100% lethal virus isn't possible to create due to how infection works, it's also impossible to create something like the Black Death in terms of transmissibility and mortality.
+No. I'm not. Because in my initial post I literally said verbatim
+>At most you'd be talking about reviving a past pandemic, none of which endangered virtually all life on earth.
+And the Black Death still fucking exists, you fucking idiot. It's just not pandemic because of modern immunities, hygiene, healthcare, and control efforts. Like seriously, plague infections still occasionally pop up with DNA virtually identical to the ancestral strain. Shit's still around. You don't need to recreate that shit.
+--- 57994141
+>>57993814
+You can't use gain of function research to create bioweapons without mass human testing, since you obviously don't fucking know the effects of the random mutations you're causing in vivo. Gain of function isn't magic. It's basically on the level of irradiating plants to hope they get some useful mutation (a thing I'm not making up).
+
+And why the fuck would China be developing a bioweapon at a lab where research was happening backed by the US government and not literally anywhere else?
+
+You're so fucking stupid, I swear to fuck.
+--- 57994205
+>>57994141
+There are lots of disposable chinks and a government more than willing to make their participation in testing involuntary, anon.
+--- 57994266
+>>57994141
+Because Wuhan was specifically tasked to finding a SARS vaccine. SARS, as in SARS CoV-2. They have been at in since 2004.
+https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3371787/
+Why wouldn't you hide in plain sight? I imagine there are intelligence agencies that track specific equipment used in Level-4 biological research labs, and setting up a clandestine lab might be pretty hard (or might not be, I dunno). Maybe the our government has been hiding all this because we realized that we had been indirectly funding unknowingly like assholes and didn't want that getting out.
+--- 57995343
+>>57994006
+>And the Black Death still fucking exists
+Obviously. Did you read what I wrote or did you just skim through it?
+There are published abstracts from THIS FUCKING YEAR describing the creation of chimera SARS derivatives with an 80% mortality rate in lab mice.
+--- 57995449
+>>57992150
+Explain to me why airborne aids isn't possible? Wouldn't it just take a little tweaking? Explain to me how they made the super shelf stable tomato's. Explain monsanto to me like I'm 12, please. Explain the glowing designer fish which was literally produced through gene editing, explain to me why it's not real. Really honestly, I'd rather live in a world where everything is fuzzy and the government can't create world ending biological weapons but based on what I know and what I've seen it certainly seems perfectly possible to do. 
+
+They obviously want one last button they can press before they get turned into atomic dust down in DC.
+--- 57995466
+>>57992668
+We can use other power sources, but they are too loud I would assume. For the purposes of modern conflict, I would assume that you wouldn't want every individual soldier constantly giving away his position as if they are all riding around in their own personal IFV's.
+--- 57995504
+>>57992150
+Different anon, you make a confusion.
+Super-virus don't NATURALLY happen, because if they killed too easily they would run out of host to replicate into.
+There no reason you can't ARTIFICIALLY create a super-virus if you have a good enough understanding of the technology.
+
+And as technology go, we won't know if it is possible until someone understand it well enough to prove it. No one has to my knowledge and if you claim otherwise you'll need good proof.
+--- 57995655
+>>57972583
+You cant use quantum entanglement like that, the guy in the post played too much mass effect.
+--- 57995814
+>>57956001
+Oh really when did they say this?
+--- 57996023
+>>57947492 (OP)
+Every single nuclear warhead on earth probably location tracking in real time
+--- 57996340
+>>57947492 (OP)
+Lasers on flying drones with lithium battery packs. Tesla batteries weigh ~400-1000kg. They can put out ~500 kw of power at a time. And can do ~50-100Kwh of energy storage if needed.
+
+If you have a drone that can float 10-20 km above and laser than can do ~10-30km downrange, thats a deadly/silent killer for any infantry/ground equipment/missiles/other drones/etc.
+--- 57996575
+>>57996340
+That's really expensive for a task that an improvised civilian quadcopter can already do. I don't mean at that height or anything, but for that same job, jerry rigged civilian quadcopters can already do it and more can be manufactured and used in meaningful numbers. 
+
+You don't realize how vital quadcopters are to the Ukrainian front line until you watch the recent trench warfare vids where they hammer Russian trenches with artillery and then as the Russians are taking cover in their dugouts, the quadcopters file right above them en masse and begin a viscous pin point rain of munitions directly onto the Russians in their holes. Squads of Ukrainians maintain reconnaissance and communication with drone operators as they keep the pressure up, lobbing grenades, mortars and using grenade launchers to continue pounding the Russian positions. 
+
+Finally the squads comb through what's left and occasionally have to throw a few more frags and do a little indirect spraying from cover to mop up what's left. 
+
+Devastatingly effective, watching it go down you realize just how much different kinds of explosives must be supplied and how grenades, mortar shells, purpose built munitions etc work together as a family of systems for eradicating the enemy. 
+
+At least, when you can't do regular close air support with bigger drones or bigger aircraft.
+--- 57996646
+>>57996575
+Lasers with drones will be a game changer, specifically ones that can loiter for long periods. They never have to "expend" their bullets or bombs to destroy their target. A single 50kwh battery pack can fire 100+ bursts of 5-10 sec lasers and destroy 100 targets per mission. Then just go back to base and recharge for $50 and have it destroy another 100 targets. Its cheaper than operating a quadcopter with a grenade or a small drone with a gun. Lasers are cheaper than bullets to operate, from logistical standpoint and for cost per fire.
+
+Thats not to say quadcopters are useless, without actual laser tech, quadcopters are great for cheap destruction of enemy vehicles/infantry. But if they had laser drones operating in a high tech battle, it would dominate the battlefield like no other.
+--- 57996732
+>>57996575
+This also makes me remember some other combat footage I've seen of Ukrainians defending a trench from a Russian push of at least a dozen or so guys. 
+
+>>57996646
+Just like with a Tesla vehicle, the cost isn't in the actual use of the weapon- the cost is in building it to proper specifications and capabilities. A drone floating 10 kilometers in the air with enough lift capability to lug around that giant battery would be quite expensive to R&D and manufacture. I don't know if you've watched Styropyro vids, but he has explained several times why it is so difficult to miniaturize a laser that is capable of military applicable use. https://youtu.be/EdURyWZD9tk [Embed]
+
+Laser technology has been around for a long time and anti-drone ground systems utilize lasers, but a decade or so ago, they were massive and required a humongous power supply. https://youtu.be/9ElNjgZCDpQ [Embed]
+--- 57996849
+>>57996732
+You dont even need a large. Just use a turbo prop to generate electricity. Dont compare US DOD projects that cost billions and decades to what the technology actually costs. DoD projects have incentives to balloon the price because they have infinite budget and cost plus model incentivizes that projects must balloon in price/time and be delayed for decades.
+--- 57997380
+>>57963715
+or dozens of zero day exploits snuck onto anything an American computer company had influence over
+--- 57997514
+>>57947915
+implessive copy of china's cope.
+took you niggers HOW many years of internet memes to finally try it?
+--- 57997771
+>>57947726
+that would be a pretty poor choice if the plane was left intact and you just killed a pilot
+--- 57998007
+I need the laser anon to explain to me the laser that goes back in time to remove distortion. I can never remember the name of it to google.
+--- 57999263
+>>57947706
+It's just another benevolent authority institution like the WHO that is beyond reproach. It's only real power is in swaying the minds of western normies to support their home nations corrupt duplicitous ambitions, all the while farming updoots by being as vocal as hell about current thing. A monolith need not function, only be observed. That is it's power.
+--- 57999354
+>>57992753
+Depends what you mean by plasma weapons, afaik some shaped charges make plasma when they detonate. Nukes definitely do. If you mean something where you make a ball of plasma that somehow holds itself together in the atmosphere and flies towards the target like a bullet, I can't really see how/why anyone would build such a thing.
+--- 57999408
+>mfw may 1st the player drop from bots and third worlders still on ancient tech
+--- 58000260
+>>57950401
+>hurrr stereotypes and generalizations in place of objective reality and specifics
+please kys retard
+--- 58000941
+>>57947492 (OP)
+smart bullets are 100% a thing
+imagine a slightly larger gyrojet boolet but with steering
+--- 58000958
+oh another one is drones with facial recognition and meaty lasers on gimbals
+any dick head could make these if you don't give a fuck about war crimes
+
+a single drone could blind hundreds of soldiers
+--- 58001051
+>>57947492 (OP)
+HATO is finished
+--- 58001195
+>>58000958
+https://youtu.be/Q8zC3-ZQFJI?t=78 [Embed]
+this but not shit and mounted to a drone = shit tons of people blind
+--- 58001319
+>>57996646
+Lasers on a plane can also act as an APS against stinger missiles.
+--- 58002755
+>>57947915
+i know this is a copypasta, but half of what it says is true. Bob Lazar, project bluebook, our experimental tech back then was scary, can't imagine what it's like now, or if we really are in touch with ayys.
+--- 58002950
+>>57995504
+>Super-virus don't NATURALLY happen, because if they killed too easily they would run out of host to replicate into.
+I actually didn't argue that at all.
+>There no reason you can't ARTIFICIALLY create a super-virus if you have a good enough understanding of the technology.
+There is no reason an artificial virus would behave differently from natural viruses. "Artificial" viruses are created by either inserting known natural genes into viruses or by accelerating the natural mutation process of viruses. And beyond that if it's a super virus killing people super fast, you still run into the spread issue whether it's natural or artificial.
+
+What you possibly meant was a good enough understanding of genetics, which we don't have, to predict how entirely new custom genes would behave in vivo so you could create some sort of theoretical virus with an extreme incubation period and infectivity, but that still has maximum lethality. Assuming such a thing is even possible. Basically airborne rabies.
+
+That's not companies currently have the capacity or potentially will ever have the capacity to do.
+
+>>57995449
+>Explain to me why airborne aids isn't possible?
+Because HIV's fragile as fuck.
+>Wouldn't it just take a little tweaking?
+In the same way making a chinchilla gorilla-resistant would just take a little tweaking, ie no.
+>Explain to me how they made the super shelf stable tomato's.
+Viruses aren't tomatoes.
+--- 58003062
+>>57995343
+>There are published abstracts from THIS FUCKING YEAR describing the creation of chimera SARS derivatives with an 80% mortality rate in lab mice.
+Oh no, not muh lab rats.
+
+Did you read anything I fucking said? Also SARS already doesn't fucking spread effectively precisely because it's too fucking lethal.
+
+>>57994266
+>Because Wuhan was specifically tasked to finding a SARS vaccine. SARS, as in SARS CoV-2
+SARS CoV-2 and SARS-CoV-1 are different SARS viruses. This is like conflating different strains of flu. Also, it wasn't. That lab specifically wasn't working on a SARS vaccine.
+--- 58003069
+>>57994205
+Well let me know when they find the death camp they were conducting spread testing in, lunatic.

k/57949084.txt

@@ -1170,3 +1170,165 @@ Just develop anti dragon weapons/tactics
 >>57956436
 Stop watching a bad TV adaption you stupid fucking monkey
 Shut the fuck up, stop typing, start reading
+--- 57991854
+>>57990548
+this
+--- 57991870
+>>57949084 (OP)
+Not reading the thread, it's too long. 
+Has anyone suggested tunneling underneath to get inside the walls? Because that's exactly the galaxy brain move Stannis the Mannis would do.
+--- 57991923
+>>57990342
+>Ive planned most of my story
+then you're not like GRRM
+--- 57991939
+>>57991870
+>Has anyone suggested tunneling underneath to get inside the walls?
+>tunneling
+>in Winter 
+>while his army is starving to death
+--- 57993851
+>>57991923
+Kek
+--- 57997200
+What is the best army in Westeros ?
+Stormlands ?
+Vale ?
+--- 57997486
+>>57997200
+Do we actually know anything about the Vale's army?
+I think if you go by the starting strengths and what they manage to achieve, the Lannisters have the most impressive single force. Despite not being stated to be terribly strong, it consistently beats off forces stated to be some of the greatest in the seven kingdoms (the North and Riverlands, Stormlands and Reach) unless the crownlands have some gigachad forces of their own, the Westerlands constantly punch above their weight. Might just come down to superior leadership. 
+
+By the end of the latest book, I think the Vale and Dorne might be the top contenders just by virtue of being the only ones not battered by bloody wars.
+--- 57997589
+>>57997486
+>the only ones not battered by bloody wars
+yet
+--- 57998022
+>>57997486
+The vale has the best cavalry and knights 
+They have the most martial culture of all of Westeros and even the ASOIAF world
+Its where chilvary started in westeros 
+Not to mention they have top tier terrain for defense
+--- 57998094
+>>57998022
+Also they and Dorne are the only two realms who have largely stayed out of the War of Five Kings so they've suffered no depletion of troops in battle. Getting involved in the next book would let them put their thumbs on the scale quite freely
+--- 57998100
+>>57954034
+>>57955107
+>>57955165
+>>57962553
+George will never finish the book because he already has what he has wanted all of his life that he wasted trying to get, fame and fortune. We are just sol because George only finally made it big with Game of Thrones being picked up by HBO and the many sequels planned which George is actively a part of, not because he's writing new material but because he enjoys all the attention he gets on set and the access to expensive hotel rooms and fans that follow the HBO set bandwagon. George was never in writing because of wanting to write a good story, and that's the sad truth very little fans of his works understand. All the previous worlds he has fleshed out and created over the decades are all absolute junk to him and seeing nerds go up to him in conventions wasting 10 hours in line just to ask about the ice dragon or distant worlds just to have George go "huh what's that?" as an answer is just the icing on top. If the first woiaf book flopped, George would have ditched it and started a new story like he has done plenty of times before, he's no Tolkien, Wells or lovecraft that wrote day and night for the sake of the craft instead of the success, George just wants people to dickride him
+--- 57998135
+The dothrakis could have never managed to invade westeros on their own
+
+GRRM is an historylet on this and he think all steppe people are the same 
+>but the mongols
+First of all, dothrakis are nothing like mongols and even mongols/turks got defeated IRL by europeans 
+Keep in mind Westeros is way stronger than medieval europe and that mongols are way stronger than dothrakis 
+Also the tech level is too important 
+Westeros armies are like late medieval armies 
+The dothrakis are like bronze age steppe nomads 
+
+It would just be a fucking one sided massacre if it happens
+--- 57998147
+>>57998135
+>GRRM is an historylet
+GRRM already pointed out that cities in Essos survive because Dothrakis can't into siege
+--- 57998170
+>>57998135
+Also the numbers 
+Westeros can raise like a 300 K army
+The dothraki horde is 20k-40k
+--- 57998182
+>>57998147
+So they cant even fucking siege too ?
+So how the fuck do they plan to invade westeros 
+The dothrakis have literally zero point wich they are superior to the westerosis and keep in mind they never faced westerosi armies in their lifetime
+Even the fucking insullied eunuch beated them
+--- 57998184
+>>57997200
+Reach is the largest army, as it's the largest realm by populus
+Westerlands is probably the best equipped because of all the gold in the area. Plus under Tywin at least have excellent leaders.
+The Vale has a deep cavalry tradition, and stupid strong defenses
+The Stormlands have a long history of butting heads with their neighbours before the conquest, and Dorne for 200 years after, and there are are a bunch of lords called the Marcher lords to give you an idea of their martial prowess. Also the Baratheons are generally very lead-by-the-front sorts, not just Robert.
+Iron Islands are a naval power and know it. The Reach and Westerlands aren't slouches in this field but I.I. are focused on it. Their land combat is more about raiding and pillaging than setpiece battles.
+The Riverlands are the crossroads of the continent and have probably seen the most war, but while this may improve martial skill it also means they get ravaged a lot and may not have the raw resources or manpower compared to the others.
+Dorne can run effective guerrilla campaigns but obviously this means letting the enemy into your territory.
+The North are probably the hardiest soldiers, putting up with the toughest conditions. I know "hard times make hard men" is an historical meme but there's something to it in Westeros.
+--- 57998190
+>>57998135
+The Dothraki have no IRL counterpart we can really look at, George based them on cultures he had no understanding of and left it the shallow war mongerer group they are today. Basically anything in Essos doesnt make sense on even a cursory glance and it'll only give you headache if you try to see how anything makes sense there, like where do the millions of slaves come from? The free cities and Slavers bay deal in producing trained slaves but the Dothraki must be getting the fresh ones somewhere, but as we saw with Tyrions pov while traveling from Pentos to Volantis, there's no towns between Pentos and Volon Therys which makes no sense on its own but even less so with how the dothraki manage to make the slaves spawn from this wasteland
+--- 57998223
+>>57998184
+Hard times make hard men depend on the location 
+Some people get harder 
+Some just get buck broken
+--- 57998237
+>>57998184
+Yeah baratheons/durrondons/stormlanders are very hot headed/martial people
+--- 57998247
+>>57998190
+They based on random medieval steppe niggers + gypsies + numidians
+But in reality even the numidians would probably crush the dothrakis
+--- 57998248
+>>57998184
+>"hard times make hard men" is an historical meme
+It's bullshit in the cycles of history sort of way, but a culture that grows up around the constant threat of death and a region whose population is mostly the wilderness kind of rural tends to be able to levy more randos and have them turn out to be half decent soldiers.
+--- 57998258
+>>57998182
+>plan
+Mein Khaleesi... there is no plan
+
+Daenerys has been spun a lie all this while about Westeros eagerly welcoming back the Targs. She has enough problems trying to fucking get to a harbour, let alone ferry (what's left of) her troops to Westeros. Also, she doesn't have any Dothraki left other than her retinue. If Meereen had all gone well, she'd basically have expected to invade Westeros with mercenaries and Unsullied - the mercs at least might have SOME siegecraft, though I doubt it. And that's it.
+--- 57998288
+>>57998248
+Like i said it depends on the place/era
+--- 57998296
+>>57998258
+It's not really a lie by the third book, the peasants would much rather have a targ because they associate it with stability as seen by Aryas pov chapters as she moves about. fAegon is set to make a huge mess for everyone around because he's presenting himself as a Targ which will cause the small folk to become restless while also having the Golden Company that still has alot of connections in the Reach that will undoubtedly cause huge headaches for the Tyrels after their vanguard is crushed by Jon Connington. But that's nothing to how everyone will go crazy about seeing Dany come back with three dragons to parade to the nobles. Too bad we'll never see a official book on how it all turns out and how Bran fucks everyone up
+--- 57998359
+>>57990548
+ What? Why? To become as pathetic as you?
+ No thanks, anoncel. 
+I like to have sex...with women.
+I think there's a coupon over on /pol where you get 10% off a Daenerys rubber sex doll,(assuming you haven't already got one).
+ Go nuts, you sad freak.
+--- 57998656
+>>57998296
+>It's not really a lie by the third book, the peasants would much rather have a targ because they associate it with stability
+Yeah and everyone hates Bloodraven but I didn't see the peasants rise up for Bittersteel during the Third Blackfyre Rebellion.
+--- 57998867
+>>57998656
+>rise up for Bittersteel 
+>for Biittersteel
+>bitter
+Anon you do realize people hated bittersteel just as much? He had no taste for politics and thus had no allies. Plus the like the second rebellion, the third was an attack on peace itself to the small folk who saw the union of Dorne and the Iron Throne as part of a golden age and is no way comparable to what fAegon or Dany would be getting when landing in the middle of a multi stage civil war that has brought alot of bad blood due to the Lannisters setting the Riverlands to the torch and the raiding by Euron against the Reach while the North is in upheaval, not even in the same ball park anon. And even before all this, we know Doran had been plotting to have Viserys be supported by Dorne in the right moment so its not like there was zero support even before everything hit the fan
+--- 58000395
+>>57998258
+It's just wierd in the show how she basically had a continent sized empire with no possible challengers and she pissed it all away for the chance at a smaller continent sized empire she'd have to mostly destroy to control.
+--- 58001029
+>>58000395
+It makes little sense in the show but in the books it looks like she's gonna go on a slave liberation blood bath across Volantis up to Pentos. In the show she just led a super minority government controlled by foreign sell swords with neighbors that hate them, with if we assume that the fleet attacking Slavers bay included what it was in the books, you still have Tolos and Elyria unharmed who are both slaver cities ready to swoop in the vacuum
+--- 58001049
+>>58001029
+Actually it was Mantarys and Elyria that are unharmed, Tolos was part of invasion of Mereen. But Mantarys does behead her envoys so yeah they hate her too lol
+--- 58003266
+>Slavers still haven't taken Mereen
+It's been twelve years guys
+--- 58003714
+>>58003266
+>its been 12 years from George telling us Winds was totally 80% finished already
+Im ngmi goys, i’m already demoralized
+--- 58003889
+Beneath the gold, the bitter steel!
+--- 58003938
+>>58003889
+--- 58004216
+>>57949084 (OP)
+Sneak in and kill Ramsay
+--- 58004232
+I wish Pratchett were around, I'd love a Discworld send-up of this bullshit
+--- 58004281
+>>57958644
+One stab into the gut and its ogre

k/57962856.txt

@@ -409,3 +409,107 @@ Beautiful.
 >depulso
 >levioso
 >descendo
+--- 57993499
+Imagine not being born a sorcerer. I got bitches on my dick gargling my 'fireballs' every fucking night so their kids can shoot fireballs when they grow up. 
+
+Anyways, I've cut a small inset into my robes to have my wand rest there. Leaves my hands free, and a quick flick of the arm can shift the wand back into my hand. Is this a smart idea or na? I'm a sorcerer, so I don't need the wand exactly, it just helps.
+
+And finally, thoughts on those who main one type of magic versus say, more well rounded casters? I'm a pyromancer so I'd argue 80% of my spells are fire based. 
+And yes, I fucked up while practicing alchemy and made myself a furry, and yes, I'm too cheap to bother changing back, deal with it.
+--- 57993799
+>>57993499
+>I fucked up while practicing alchemy and made myself a furry
+Do you happen to be a female? No reason for asking
+t. Warlock
+--- 57993892
+>>57993799
+No, male, but I think I got a potion kicking around that can give me tits. I could make a full fem potion but it'll cost you 500 gold. And perhaps extra I'd you have anything in mind. 
+
+Who knew warlocks were so lewd?
+--- 57994362
+Bumpity bump
+--- 57994677
+>>57962856 (OP)
+I got your wand right here buddy
+*unsheathes dick*
+*casts fireball*
+--- 57996955
+>>57994677
+You should get that checked out man.
+--- 57997137
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACQLpBEwAzc [Embed]
+--- 57997176
+>>57966468
+>>57968414
+The thing about orb ownership is it's fairly unpredictable, you're likely to ND
+>be showing the peasant bitches my orb
+>she grazes it
+>orb shoots lightning into the village
+--- 57997208
+>>57962896
+>not being a battlemage
+>not frying twinkmages with superior magic
+>not mogging bloatlard melee cucks with my heavy armor
+couldn't be me
+--- 57997415
+>>57993892
+Standard knowledge, isn't it? 
+T. Hunter
+>>57991087
+I could swear I saw someone with something that looked just like that. I think they called it a "Cloudstrike" or something along that line.
+It was probably a replica or a mockup. How could a gun with all of its mechanisms replaced with a staff even work?
+What would the magazine even do?
+--- 57997471
+>>57966468
+>Using a crystal ball
+
+The future is now you fucking boomer.
+--- 57997480
+>>57962856 (OP)
+that looks like it'd feel good in my ass
+--- 57997498
+>>57968421
+Void... pearl?
+I've heard of a void seed but never a void pearl. Weird.
+Anyway, is this new metal any good as a wand cap?
+--- 57997813
+>>57980046
+dumbledick was a faggot and he shoved that pommel up his ass. fancy hilts and engravings give you no magical advantage whatsoever.
+--- 57999470
+>>57993499
+Furfag mage here again, I got a non magical question.
+
+So I need to ask if this would work. I take coal dust and some magnesium and put that into a wooden capsule and then attach that to a spear with two prongs so that when the spear stabs into the enemy the prongs push in, and push the back of the capsule out, right? And that would cause a suction effect, resulting in an aerosolization of the magnesium flakes and coal dust. 
+Firing a fire bolt at the ensuring cloud, or having a circle of match heads around the back of the capsule to generate a spark, would thus ignite and detonate the cloud of coal dust, with the magnesium flakes for a hotter flash.
+
+Would this work? Can I give my more retarded members of my party upgraded throwing spears (I've been calling them firespears), so that they stab the enemy, and when the cloud forms and I hit them with a fire bolt we get a mini fuel air bomb?
+--- 57999852
+>>57962896
+Comfy post desu
+--- 57999906
+>>57962856 (OP)
+I put on my robe ans wizard hat.
+--- 57999924
+>>57997415
+You should check out knights&magic manga.
+--- 57999955
+I got your wand right here, bucko.
+--- 57999972
+>>57997415
+>>57999924
+--- 57999987
+>>57997415
+>>57999972
+--- 58000018
+>>57997415
+>>57999972
+>>57999987
+
+Later there a mechas.
+--- 58002562
+>>57997415
+>What would the magazine even do?
+Well, really a weapon like that wouldn't have one to begin with. Depending on the magic system of the world in question, most casters just draw energy from the ether or their own soul or whatever. If it DID have a mag, it would presumably contain crystals or some kind of shot that could be charged with magic for when a combination of magic and kinetic energy is necessary. Say, for example, someone was wearing particularly magic-resistant armor. In that case, the shot (metal, crystal, stone, whatever) could be propelled by the staff's energy and pierce the armor.
+--- 58002954
+>>57981366
+Based and cartographerpilled

k/57963331.txt

@@ -332,3 +332,76 @@ Who cares
 --- 57990904
 >>57976131
 With how strong he is he could just blow the vampires apart by throwing doorknobs at them.
+--- 57991722
+>>57990904
+Yea but guns are cool.
+--- 57991942
+>>57963331 (OP)
+If you're really that concerned then get yourself blessed by a Navajo shaman and carry some holy water and sage with you.
+--- 57992181
+>hurr durr a mix of european folklore and judaic blessings will surely defeat this native american monster
+>I bet if you also walk backwards or say "Go ahead, Betobeto-san" it will leave you alone
+If you're using literally anything except white ash-dipped bullets, you're going to fucking die. A silver bullet will not kill it the same way it will kill a werewolf. Holy water will do absolutely fucking nothing. If you can't speak it's name, or bare minimum have a caliber strong enough that the physical impact can ward them off until you can escape their territory, any other method is going to get your asshole eaten from the inside out.
+--- 57994221
+>>57991942
+>>57992181
+Really, the thing about a wendigo is to remain pure in mind and body so the entity has nothing to latch onto. That's why shamans would do battle with them- they had the meditative discipline to present a wall of stoicism.
+--- 57994873
+>>57967118
+one who trots along here and there on all fours with it
+--- 57995515
+>>57963331 (OP)
+7.62x54r, 7.62x39, 9x18mm, 7.62x25mm tokarev and 5.45x39 are the only confirmed anamolous murdering calibers. If you explore the zone, you must carry an appropriate weapon
+--- 57995521
+>>57963331 (OP)
+What's a skinwalker? And what's skinwalker country?
+--- 57995797
+>>57963331 (OP)
+"Skin walkers" are not fucking real. Are you serious, dude?
+--- 57995815
+>>57995521
+They are nothing. Skin walkers do not exist. Stop bringing them up.
+--- 57995868
+any skinwalker hunters are more than welcome to visit scary island at 40*30'48.89"N and 82*29'22.02"W
+
+bring guns and beware laughing from the woodline
+--- 57997097
+>>57995521
+--- 57997462
+>>57963331 (OP)
+Do american adults really believe they are monsters and ghosts hiding in the woods ? Sounds hilarious. Monsters today are working in HR departments, anons. And they can be killed very easily. Sadly, you'll go to prison.
+--- 57998075
+>>57995521
+>>57995797
+>>57995815
+>>57997462
+Ok skinwalker
+--- 57998088
+>>57998075
+>57997462
+>Ok skinwalker
+Worse : i'm a euro.
+--- 57999091
+>>57963331 (OP)
+No, but they hurt like hell.
+--- 58001011
+>>57985855
+>Skinwalker is a catch all term
+>>57995521
+>What's a skinwalker?
+Skinwalker is a term that gets used far too liberally to describe any unknown humanoid creature. The rake / wendigo / crawlers are not skinwalkers as the annoying yootubers like to call them.
+A skinwalker is one or a series of as-yet-to-be-identified entities that take human form. I'll post some examples.
+--- 58001330
+.
+--- 58001408
+..
+--- 58001800
+>>57963331 (OP)
+The Word of the LORD is Great & Powerful; find ye a priest or holy man charged with the consecrated destruction of old Bibles to be retired in order to gain a few blessed pages from an old Authorized Version (1611 KJV); finely sliced hairsbreadth wide slivers of pages containing fragments of scriptural text add in with the gunpowder when (re)loading your own bullets by hand provides a bit more accuracy & power, halleluleah! Also, I highly suggest pouring your own silver bullets (around a fasce of seven hexagonally arranged needle-shaped machined tungsten carbide cores), and having the final product blessed by a *proper* Bishop with True Faith.
+
+Furthermore, if you're going all out, don't neglect chemical enhancements, not just to your ammunition & equipment, but to your body & mind as well! My friend, powerful drugs properly portioned proportionately to (You) may indeed prove efficacious, providing however slim an edge you just might between life & death against such semicorporeal nightmares.
+
+Also, don't worry about all of those fudders saying "bullets don't work against skinwalkers" and "you can't kill them with normal human weapons!" They're just saltily coping with lacking the courage to actually go out and hunt one of u-them! One of them. Yeah. So, anyway, don't be a little bitch and hide out in your mom's basement talking shit about skinwalkers with a bunch of khvs on a *Friday* night; you're already properly armed (after a brief visit to your local archdiocese or equivalent to have your ammo blessed), so just get out into the woods and co-go! Go looking for trouble, in the woods. Not here; this isn't "the woods" here where I am right now. (A cave isn't technically "in the woods" -- at least not the *inside* of it, right?) Ah, hey, look at the time: almost midnight, and half a waxing moon riding high overhead illuminates the world in the clear, bright glow of moonlight! Perfect hunting weather! What're u waiting for?
+>t. not a skinwalker
+--- 58003490
+...

k/57967164.txt

@@ -376,3 +376,53 @@ It's Dean from Venture Bros if he trooned out hard.
 --- 57990622
 >>57990440
 sauce on the waifu pls
+--- 57993408
+>>57990622
+Mika from Girls Und Panzer
+Artist is at2
+--- 57996672
+>>57990874
+>Gewehr 41
+Interesting choice. Why the 41 over the 43?
+--- 57997669
+>>57990442
+Based Rue poster get that doessy
+--- 57997679
+>>57996672
+He wants foreskin on the barrel.
+--- 57997706
+>>57981394
+good taste
+--- 57997731
+>>57967248
+>unfaithful to a waifu
+That's why she's mine
+--- 57999492
+>>57997669
+A fellow Anon of supreme taste.
+--- 57999532
+>>57999474
+im updating this to reflect a rifle that i actually own now that im not a nogunz dreamer
+--- 58000085
+>>57996672
+i prefer my rifles uncircumcised
+but seriously tho its because my great grandfather brought one back from germany. sitting in my grandfathers safe right now
+--- 58002163
+>>58000085
+>has a WW2 bringback G41 in the family
+Consider me jealous anon, I hope no one has taken sandpaper to that stock.
+--- 58002215
+the pixels on your screen will never love you back
+--- 58002353
+>>58002163
+worry not anon, it's been taken care of. he also brought back a couple vis 35's (only one of which still has the original finish unfortunately) and what i think was a mannlicher 1895. i pretty much nutted when i found out he brought back so much
+--- 58002675
+>>58002353
+Nice! Mine came back with a bunch of jap shit after the occupation and some german guns but all the cool stuff was ruined in a flooded basement when i was an anklebiter
+--- 58002797
+>>57967164 (OP)
+>Eep is waifu
+>Knaifu isn't sharp rock
+>Raifu isn't spear
+
+Foolish negroid

k/57968030.txt

@@ -844,3 +844,280 @@ The account is needed to prevent skalpers.
 --- 57989453
 >>57973899
 You don't need to go into a store to download new firmware. You don't need to be online to install firmware. Installing firmware doesn't magically add a transceiver to a device. Existing versions of firmware don't break, so you have need to update if you don't require anything added in an update.
+--- 57991749
+>>57968030 (OP)
+Good enough for Ian, means good enough for me.
+--- 57991777
+>>57977652
+easy solution... just don't have kids. then you can have your guns laying around everywhere you want and never worry about little timmy nutfuck wanting to impress johnny rottencrotch with daddy's 1911 and doming himself
+--- 57992111
+>>57987782
+just have some fun every now and then anon
+--- 57993818
+Which color should I get?
+
+Expert edition master race here
+--- 57993944
+>>57993818
+Get the middle one (seems like it will be the most collectable color in 20 years) 
+
+Also post your order confirmation, or you're a shill.
+--- 57993965
+>>57993818
+Second one is the coolest.
+
+First is feces and the third is just your typical pistol color layout
+--- 57993979
+Holy crap that looks like a plastic nerf gun. Ahhaha!
+--- 57993990
+>>57973225
+not as cool
+--- 57994037
+>>57993979
+It looks like the 10mm pistol from Fallout.
+--- 57994077
+>All these people claiming to buy it
+>None of them post order receipt
+>None of them talk about the gun and their experiences using it
+
+I'm getting a little suspicious as to the motives of certain people in this thread.
+--- 57994098
+>>57994077
+>None of them talk about the gun and their experiences using it
+
+its not even out yet, retard
+--- 57994121
+>>57975317
+>investors
+pretty sure that's just where the people who work at the company have previously worked. If nasa, lyft, and square are all investing in this gun company, be my guest to share info.
+--- 57994132
+In 15 years CA, IL, MD, NY, CT, will try to mandate smart guns in their states, and they'll try to spread their bullshit across the U.S.
+Fuck off.
+--- 57994151
+>>57994098
+Ian used it.
+--- 57994165
+>>57994132
+And that's wrong why? If society has a way to stop all kids from using guns without actually banning guns, then what's the problem? This may prevent and even reverse some gun laws.
+--- 57994175
+>>57994151
+that's because he literally went to the company shooting range lol. He doesn't even own one yet, he wasn't allowed to disassemble it.
+--- 57994198
+the idea is completely retarded and everyone supporting it deserves to have it glitch out when they need it the most
+
+>hurr durr guns jam too
+and in 99% of cases you can fix it yourself. good luck trying to fix a proprietary OS that you cant even access.
+--- 57994201
+>>57993944
+>>57993965
+I went with the middle one as well, but we will apparently be able to modify orders later on.
+
+Here’s my order
+--- 57994229
+>>57994165
+>This may prevent and even reverse some gun laws.
+see >>57994132
+--- 57994241
+>>57994201
+The hell is that? It's just a generic screen. It's in mobile resolution. I know you didn't order this thing through your phone. Please show the actual confirmation that showed out when you ordered via your laptop. It should have an order number and shit.
+--- 57994248
+>>57994132
+in 15 years you probably wont even like guns anymore.
+--- 57994254
+>>57994165
+Too fucking tired to respond properly as evidenced by previous reply
+This is retarded. (You) are retarded.
+Thank you for admitting you support banning firearms.
+Now fuck off back to shitter or (you)tube where you belong.
+Plant herbs in all shill threads.
+--- 57994269
+>>57994254
+>technology scary!
+--- 57994272
+>>57994229
+You speak in circular reasoning. You know because you know? That makes no sense. If this tech can make guns unable to be used by some kid who grabbed their dad's gun to commit a shooting, then California has no reason not to allow AR-15s and high cap magazines.
+--- 57994278
+>>57994269
+Kill yourself
+--- 57994294
+>>57994272
+>If this tech can make guns unable to be used by some kid who grabbed their dad's gun to commit a shooting, then California has no reason not to allow AR-15s and high cap magazines
+Gun control has nothing to do with saving lives or preventing shootings.
+--- 57994295
+>>57994278
+>technology scary! kids shooting each other good!
+>you should kill yourself
+--- 57994304
+>>57994241
+Why would I not order it on my phone?
+--- 57994312
+>>57994295
+Faggot
+--- 57994328
+>>57994304
+Are you for real? You ordered something on your bloody phone? Jesus Christ. Phones are not secure. You never know if someone has done a man in the middle attack.
+--- 57994340
+>>57994328
+>You never know if someone has done a man in the middle attack.
+
+oh no, better engage cyberbrain autistic mode!
+fuckin nerd.
+--- 57994360
+>>57994340
+Oh, you watched GITS SAC. How cultured you are.
+--- 57994396
+>>57994328
+Bro chill
+--- 57994431
+>>57970484
+Ameristani tv-remotes don't use regular aa-batteries?
+--- 57994445
+>>57994431
+i've never had one that didn't run on regular batteries, ive also never had them die. i think the dude is making shit up. the luddites in this thread are getting desperate
+--- 57994527
+>>57968116
+Don’t give these pieces of shit money they’re just giving anti gun lobbyists more fucking fuel to take our guns away. How STUPID can this community get fr
+--- 57994549
+>>57994165
+I'm assuming that matching the gun to your bio-data is done with it in your possession meaning I give the biomeme 2 weeks until it gets cracked and some nigger with a laptop can reset it on the fly.
+--- 57994581
+>>57973403
+Shut the fuck up fat ass. Stay in your shit general
+--- 57994649
+>>57994549
+yeah dude, the crack team of nigger home invaders will have their hacker jailbreak your gun when you aren't there so that when they break in to your house for real next week, your gun wont work.
+--- 57994667
+>>57969132
+EVOLVED
+--- 57994682
+>>57969132
+Don't you just love how much Snake blew out the "war never changes" line that fallout uses? War literally changed.
+--- 57994804
+>>57994077
+retard
+>>57988687 >>57994304
+
+>>57994527
+fuck off, fudd boy. go fondle your boomstick while adults are talking
+--- 57995158
+>>57994431
+>>57994445
+The point was that a dead battery can be replaced and you'd have to be a retard to think a device is useless because the battery doesn't work.
+--- 57996796
+>>57993818
+I wish I could have gotten the all white with an orange trigger and mag release, but I could only get the orange with the white/black combo.
+Maybe I'll send them an email.
+>>57988593
+FDE has it's own charm
+--- 57996890
+>>57994304
+Where do you see this screen? I can't find it on the website and there are no links to it in my confirmation email
+--- 57996900
+>>57996890
+Not him, but I see the same confirmation screen on my phone.
+--- 57996935
+>>57996900
+Is it their app or something? I do things boomerly on computor
+--- 57996990
+>>57996900
+Me too
+>>57996935
+I am not aware of an app. It's okay, you're not the only boomer here. See:
+>>57994328
+--- 57997064
+>>57996990
+>>57996900
+They must have changed the order confirmation email since my order I guess, I don't see any info about my order when logged into the web zone and my email looks like so
+
+Oh well! They said they're adding portals and stuff for editing so maybe it'll show up on the site later.
+--- 57997135
+>>57988299
+>seatbelt laws
+Fuck you, anon. I wanted to hate this gun.
+--- 57997347
+>>57987782
+Based and completely correct
+>>57968030 (OP)
+>>57992111
+>>57987827
+Kys shills
+--- 57997361
+>>57974919
+The issue is those safes are easy as fuck to defeat. Watch any lock picking lawyer video on them. That's one of the issues this solves
+--- 57997640
+>>57988299
+This got me on the fence
+>>57977706
+This is compelling 
+>>57973173
+This pushed me over the edge. I just ordered one (all black)
+--- 57997751
+>>57997640
+yeah i was surprised to find out the trigger is a solenoid, i wasn't sure that was actually legal.
+--- 57998531
+>>57991777
+Oy vey this is a very good post
+--- 57999411
+>>57994077
+Because this is an astroturfed thread by a Soros-funded company. They're going to take screenshots of the shillposts claiming to have bought one and use then as evidence that "wow, see? Even those '2A extremists' on 4chan support smart guns!". I wouldn't be surprised if this thread or one of the countless similiar threads these kike shills will doubtlessly make ends up on a posterboard in a House committee hearing for the "Ban All Guns But Smartguns Bill of 2027".
+--- 57999724
+>>57999411
+I bought one today just to be in the House subcommittee screenshot. Can you take your meds, please?
+--- 57999774
+>>57999724
+What color?
+--- 57999785
+This has got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. Only an absolute faggot would be stoked about these. I hope they sell a million
+--- 57999792
+>>57999411
+>soros
+
+go back to tucker carlson general
+--- 57999905
+>>57999774
+Blue and white, like the flag 
+>>57999792
+kek
+>>57997751
+>>57972199
+>>57968589
+>>57970953
+Actual reasons I ordered one
+>>57971864
+Based if true
+>>57975289
+Pretty sure those are where the employees worked before. Lyft isn't funding shit.
+--- 58001032
+>>57995158
+Yeah, just pop down to AutoZone and buy some batteries, oh, that's right, Tesla won't sell them to anyone, you have to take it to them for replacement for the low cost of $60,000. And even if you magically had a reasonable source for replacement batteries, the car's software literally wouldn't accept them.
+--- 58001274
+>>58001032
+my nigga in Chriss, China already has while-u-wait automated battery replacement stations with snack stands, you roll in, grab a hot pickle and roll out with a new battery in your EV
+--- 58001312
+>>57971077
+>it isn't finished and ready yet
+>which is why we've made pre-orders available!
+Hate this mindset so much
+--- 58001688
+>>57973699
+>Also, did congress not recently pass a bill requiring all kinds of bullshit technology to be included in cars manufactured after 2026 or so?
+Not sure about that but there's so much useless bullshit that's required to be included in new cars. I think pressure sensors in your tires is one of them. They're usually wireless AFAIK which means batteries. Often non-replaceable from what I know. Useless bloat for anyone who isn't a 15 IQ drooling retard and just another warning light to distract you from potentially important warning lights when those batteries do eventually die and your car bugs you about it every time it starts up. The units aren't too expensive but remember every tire has to be removed and the device replaced (or batteries changed, whatever) so the labor is fucking retarded compared to, you know, just ignoring it. Especially when that $100-200 or whatever could be spent on literally ANYTHING ELSE.
+--- 58001750
+>>57993818
+PENIS GUN
+--- 58001753
+>>57999724
+>literally AI response 
+lmao
+--- 58001762
+>>57999792
+>WOAH did you just NAME THE JEW?! Pretty cringe, bro!
+--- 58002523
+>>57970045
+i simply would not let that happen.
+--- 58002534
+You people are going to turn me into a linuxfag. YOU'RE PUTTING BLOATWARE IN MY FUCKING GUN REEEEEEEE!!!
+--- 58002610
+God, so many shill kikeniggers on this thread wanting to sell this fucking POS
+
+NEVER BUY THIS, you are deliberatedly helping on funding gun control with this, gun control freaks deserve to eat lead without consent at all times.

k/57970713.txt

@@ -459,3 +459,756 @@ That's a typical chink/gook pipe dream. Production of commodities have been larg
 I meant that it’s expensive because their military industry is rarely allowed to sell anything to other countries. 
 Other countries want to export as many weapons as possible to improve their military industry which makes the weapons cheaper for their own military.
 Japans pacifist laws prevents that, which means that it’s militarily is much weaker than it should be with that much money
+--- 57991866
+>>57983816
+They've finished a series of flight tests of the newly built 36th airframe at Komaki. At this rate it will be 40+ by the end of the fiscal year. F-35 flying against a Japanese castle looks pretty kino.
+https://youtu.be/sBkxgk5npkI [Embed]
+--- 57994153
+>>57990035
+There is a chinese flag on the moon, the japanese can't even launch a small rocket properly
+--- 57994423
+>>57994153
+Oh shit, a launch failure, there's no possible way they'll recover from it. Has there ever been a launch system that failed and was later used again?
+--- 57994432
+>>57994423
+Don't bother engaging him, it's the eternal gookshill.
+--- 57994517
+>>57994432
+But he's funny, it's like listening to some junkie rambling about
+--- 57994705
+>>57994423
+>>57994432
+>>57994517
+Lmfao fucking trannies so obvious the way you incoherently bitch like a bunch of fruits
+
+LMFAO
+--- 57994733
+>>57994705
+What's your obsession with trannies? You always bring them unprompted
+--- 57994762
+>>57994705
+I just wish you'd argue with facts instead of whatever random shit you've vomited out today.
+--- 57994763
+>>57994733
+You know what you are tranny you clearly do not communicate like a regular male and sound like a faggot I can hear the lisps in your posts, see this ->
+>>57983921
+
+Lmfao
+--- 57994795
+>>57994762
+Ok here's a few facts tranny:
+
+there is a chink flag on the moon, the only country that has a proven flag on the lunar surface, more than half of the US population (let alone the world) don't believe the US ever landed on the moon
+
+japan has struggled massively with advanced technologies like rockets
+
+Let's establish that we agree on the above before moving onto anything else you fucking tranny, nobody gives a fuck about how you think a watered down f16 made worse into an f2 has a "pretty" paint job that gives your boyclit a boner fucking faggot
+--- 57994810
+>>57994795
+I fucking feel dirty even communicating with you directly you probably get hard off of it thinking that somebody is actually validating you as a fucking tranny
+--- 57994816
+>>57994153
+>moon
+Amateur level. There's even a manmade crater on the surface of an asteroid, created by an interplanetary bomber of the Rising Sun.
+Chinks are still far better than gooks though. At least they have some achievements while Korea has literally 0 (zero) achievement or pioneering work in aerospace.
+--- 57994825
+>>57994762
+Like these "fact" tranny?
+
+>>57994423
+>>57994432
+>>57994517
+
+LMFAO fucking kys tranny
+--- 57994828
+>>57994763
+I get it, accusing people of being trannies is the only way you can feel more manly than them, especially after you admitted to selling your ass to tourists
+--- 57994836
+>>57994795
+Ahh look, more opinion with no facts.
+
+No wonder you don't argue with facts, you obviously don't understand what a fact is.
+--- 57994867
+>>57994816
+ROK is even ahead of the US let alone thirdie countries like Japan lmfao
+
+There's a reason why the US government is rolling out the red carpet for ROK as we shitpost and is ignoring Japan you monke
+
+Note, they keep saying 70+ years fighting together against the world in the strongest alliance ever
+
+Lmfao
+--- 57994905
+>>57994828
+It was my fucking japanese relatives when I was younger faggot, and I was not the only one doing it retard, its everywhere in japan and part of the reason why I hate 1) faggots and 2) japanese pedo culture
+--- 57994914
+>>57994867
+>ROK is even ahead of the US
+Hahahhahahhahahhahahaahhahahahahaha
+--- 57994917
+>>57994905
+To clarify it was my japanese relatives that effectively acted as pimps
+--- 57994925
+>>57994905
+So you're a tranny Nordic Japanese American who supports south Korea... Unironically?
+--- 57994947
+>>57994917
+>>57994905
+You believed your pimp you retard, no wonder you're mindbroken
+--- 57994952
+>>57994914
+Here's who is running all of the US technology sector retard do you think they have your particular interests prioritized over their agenda and home cultures? Without them the US is effectively a third world country of mystery meat goblino "whites" and ghettoniggers, lmfao
+--- 57994979
+>>57994914
+Lmfao you have no idea how far ahead they are even compared to the US...
+--- 57994986
+>>57994925
+No, I don't think he's one, it's just that trannies are only people he feels manlier than after getting plowed by tourists, so he accusess every opponent of being one
+--- 57995011
+>>57994925
+I'm 50% japanese, 25% korean, 25% norwegian, my last name is nordic and my norwegian/korean side of family are all cool normal people, my japanese side are generally decent but there are several freaks that are just straight up bad people
+
+Also, I've lived in japan, but not norway or korea, and know what life is like there
+--- 57995022
+>>57994905
+I admire your commitment to this LARP. Keep it up. It's entertaining.
+--- 57995041
+>>57995022
+If I were larping why tf would I larp as a manlet hapa that got pimped out by my relatives many years ago?
+--- 57995048
+>>57995041
+Because you're dirty little slut?
+--- 57995064
+>>57995048
+This is how I know you are a tranny and or a faggot
+--- 57995073
+>>57995064
+You're the one that got international train run on you
+--- 57995100
+>>57995073
+You are a fucking retard, just because I got raped does not make me a faggot, the abusers however were clearly faggots, you by getting off to this is clearly a tranny or a faggot
+
+Lmfao
+--- 57995217
+>>57995100
+Hey at least we know your opinions are biased by your own personal history lending any argument you make in regards to Japan or Korea instantly suspect.
+
+You're far too personally biased to ever make a rational argument for or against Japan/Korea.
+--- 57995358
+>>57995217
+That's patently incorrect, I have firsthand experiences in japan not some delusions on the internet, I don't know korea as well as I don't know that part of my family but probably more knowledgeable than most as I follow news in south korea, japan and china everyday for decades, I also have a unique perspective in being able to compare to europeans as I'm reasonably close to that part of my family
+--- 57995378
+>>57995358
+To clarify I've met my korean relatives several times but have never lived there unlike japan where I literally lived there for years and since my mother is full japanese have that part of my culture partially ingrained sadly
+--- 57995459
+>>57995358
+>>57995378
+In what reality do you think you being pimped out by your Japanese relatives DOESN'T taint your biases?
+
+Of course it does, you can never be objective when it comes to Japan because you've made it some integral reason for why your life is how it is.
+--- 57995683
+>>57995459
+So have you ever had a conflict or dispute with anybody in your country whatever it is? Do you blame the entire country for it and does it taint your opinions of the entire said country? Retard
+--- 57995833
+>>57995683
+No I've never been pimped out or raped by anyone from any country.
+
+If you honestly want to sit here and pretend that event DIDN'T permanently taint your bias, feel free. But no one is going to believe you.
+--- 57995859
+>>57995833
+He even admitted it did>>57994905
+--- 57995957
+>>57995011
+So you got some gook blood injection recently to dilute your "75% jap 25% nordic" heritage or is it just your puregookbrain made from kimchi is too small to carry out consistent larping?
+--- 57996020
+>>57995957
+I'm 25% norwegian/25% korean on my father's side, 50% japanese on my mother's side, my parents got divorced when I was young and my mother remarried to a 100% white man that is danish/dutch/german heritage
+
+If I were larping would not larp as a 5'5" 148lb hapa dipshit
+--- 57996076
+>>57996020
+Then how the fuck are you so factually incorrect?
+
+Are you trying to pretend someone ELSE was claiming you have a 100% Japanese father and 50/50% jap/norwegian mother? Making you, as you claimed in your own post, 25% Norwegian and 75% Japanese. 
+
+You're the one who posted it.
+
+NOW you're claiming (a month later) that ACTUALLY your 100% Japanese father is now suddenly 50% norwegian and 50% korean? (making you 25% of each), and your previously 50/50% jap/norwegian mother is suddenly 100% japanese (making that the other 50% of your genetics).
+
+
+So either you were flat wrong a month ago talking out of your ass, you're flat wrong NOW talking out of your ass, or you were flat wrong both times and are just a gook faggot larping this entire time and is unable to keep his story straight.
+
+Take your pick but no matter what you look completely fucking retarded.
+--- 57996085
+>>57971127
+Sure thing, Han.
+--- 57996104
+>>57996020
+You said that you had nothing to do with Korea and that you were a manlet because your biological father was 100% japanse when you got caught out in that thread (about japan), gookshill.
+--- 57996132
+>>57971643
+Keep exaggerating your technology chang, 3 more hypersonic missiles and I've got a house in Aspen
+--- 57996153
+>>57984139
+Theoretically speaking, where could one find those Japanese girls?
+--- 57996169
+>>57996020
+>>57996076
+Come on anon, don't you sometimes forget if your mom is fully or half Japanese? Or occasionally you might not remember if your dad is 100% Japanese vs 50% Norwegian and 50% Korean.
+It's a mistake we've all probably made before.
+--- 57996201
+>>57995833
+>If you honestly want to sit here and pretend that event DIDN'T permanently taint your bias, feel free. But no one is going to believe you.
+What are you suggesting? That he would start projecting his trauma and start claiming that Koreans turned Japan into a nation of sex slaves and ladyboys? That'd be ridiculous
+--- 57996225
+>>57996076
+>>57996104
+Wrong, I always said that my father's side was white or hapa, he looks mostly white or hispanic even though I barely know him, my step-father is 100% white, my mother's side is 100% japanese and that is where I got my manlet genes, my mother is 5'3", I'm 5'5", my half-siblings (my genetic mother + step-father) are all tall chads and giga stacies, I have MASSIVE depression over being the shortest in my entire extended family with cousins that are as young as 11 years taller than me, sometimes if I'm lazy I will just say I'm 75% japanese + 25% white, but its technically 50% japanese, 25% korean, 25% norwegian (and maybe some Finnish but not really sure)
+--- 57996238
+>>57996225
+Again we have a screenshot of your post here >>57995957
+
+We can SEE your breakdown, it's your own post, are you saying you LIED in your own post or are you trying to say it was someone else who just HAPPENED to get REALLY close to what you're NOW claiming is your actual ethnicity?
+
+What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you actually think anyone is going to believe you?
+--- 57996324
+>>57996238
+What if there's more than one personality inside his head?
+--- 57996345
+>>57996225
+s c h i z o
+c
+h
+i
+z
+o
+--- 57996376
+>>57996238
+Even if that is even me why would anybody post their actual passport on 4ch of all places? I'm telling you what I am, you can choose to believe or not, I don't fucking care, but the point is that I am not biased at all and if anything have real firsthand knowledge unlike your delusional tranny internet experiences lmfao
+--- 57996417
+>>57996376
+Yeah i'm thinking you're just a VANK larper.
+--- 57996437
+Why is Japan so much stronger than Korea?
+--- 57996565
+>>57996437
+Lmfao posting a picture of a jap soldier with two chinese sluts
+
+In reality its picrel
+
+Also see this -> >>57984175
+
+Japanese women cannot get enough of Korean bulls but then again its the same everywhere in the world especially in the US and Europe
+--- 57996596
+Why is South Korea so much stronger than Japan?
+
+This is even before the nukes that South Korea just announced
+
+Lmfao
+--- 57996611
+>>57971157
+Omg if you don't know the answer don't reply
+--- 57996626
+>>57996565
+>Japanese women cannot get enough of Korean bulls but then again its the same everywhere in the world especially in the US and Europe
+Except Korea
+--- 57996641
+>>57970713 (OP)
+why japan treads always end in a dick measure contest between korea-japan and china?
+--- 57996643
+>>57996565
+> weebs on suicide watch as they begin to realize that japanese women not only lust after korean bulls but also consider weebs more repulsive than a fresh off the boat haitian illegal border crosser
+
+Lmfao
+--- 57996644
+>>57996437
+Yamato/samurai genes vs slave rapebaby genes
+--- 57996654
+>>57996644
+LMFAO!!!! Yamato is literally Korean Yayoi y dna genes you fucktard! Lmfao
+--- 57996667
+>>57996654
+You are a slave race, gook.
+--- 57996690
+Korean bulls literally founded all martial arts in Japan, Japs literally worshipped this samurai like a demigod even though he was considered a borderline manlet in Korea lmfao
+--- 57996699
+>Korean incel melting down again
+Why does Japan live rent free in every gooks head?
+--- 57996725
+Japan literally put up this Korean bull onto a pedestal as their symbol of masculinity but again he was just a regular sized dude from Korea lmfao
+--- 57996736
+>>57996699
+Gee I wonder
+--- 57996740
+>>57996699
+It's literally just one guy, you can tell because he signs every post off with "lmfao" like a signature. As has been pointed out before he shills on a couple of other boards like /r9k/, /v/ and some others I'm forgetting. He's Elliot Rodgers tier mindbroken.
+--- 57996744
+>>57996641
+Some dude got pimped out by his Japanese relatives in the past so he's still seething
+--- 57996805
+>>57996611
+--- 57996823
+>>57996805
+If I save this does it count as theft?
+--- 57996824
+If you go to Japan (which none of you trannies have) you will occassionally see brutes like this walking around like they own the place particularly around pachinko parlours, bars and nightclubs, this particularly zainichi is considered a giant in Japan but is barely above average sized in South Korea as he is only about 240lb, yes they do borderline terrorize the local hobbit natives but they are also backed by the US as well
+
+LMFAO
+--- 57996871
+>>57996824
+Do you perhaps fantasize about such brute saving you from being pimped by your relatives?
+--- 57996917
+>>57996824
+I have been to japan, so no, I don't think some loser larping on /k/ 24/7 about his eternal seething japan hateboner has been there, or anywhere outside of his cheetoh encrusted cum smelling room.
+--- 57996945
+>>57996824
+>240 lbs
+>barely above average
+
+Either kimchi is a secret bulking food, or you’re very mistaken in your stats.
+--- 57996966
+>>57996690
+>>57996725
+>>57996824
+In reality even Taekwondo, the sole relevant martial art of Korea, derives from Japan's Shotokan Karate, with the belt color system copied from Japanese martial arts style like Judo/Karate. Literally colonized in everything lmao
+--- 57996971
+>>57973211
+The only thing that could really do that is the chinks, since the only thing both of them hate more than each other is China.
+--- 57997087
+>>57996966
+Are you retarded? Shotokan is an Okinawan martial art founded in the late 1800s, Okinawans fucking hate Japanese more than China does
+
+Kyokushin is generally considered a Japanese martial art founded by Mas Oyama, a zainichi Korean
+--- 57997105
+>>57996945
+See this fuckface ->
+>>57984252
+
+South Koreans are bigger than most Europeans whereas Japanese are the size of Bolivians or Guatemalans
+
+Lmfao
+--- 57997116
+>>57997105
+>>57997087
+Thank god you being pimped out and raped didn't color your biases in this matter.
+--- 57997141
+Meat consumption per capita
+
+South Korea 62.1kg, more than the UK, Norway, and Switzerland
+
+Japan 41.6kg, less than Vietnam, China and Peru
+
+Fucking basedboys lmfao
+--- 57997150
+>>57997087
+If Okinawans hate Japanese so much, why have Gichin Funakoshi taught Shotokan at Japanese universities?
+--- 57997155
+>>57997116
+Don't keep bringing that up you know its crossing a line and its hard enough to deal with it let alone you shitposting it to rub it in faggot
+--- 57997164
+>>57997150
+If you don't realize how Okinawans and Hokkaido natives think about Japan you are completely hopeless on this topic
+--- 57997188
+>>57997155
+Get fucked you dumb faggot, I don't give a shit about your anal rape, but I'm not going to sit here and watch you lie about japan because your little cornhole got fucked into a bloody mess when you were a little kid. 
+
+Sucks to suck, but your lies don't suddenly become real because you got pimped out and raped.
+--- 57997240
+>>57971127
+Nobody does except seething Koreans and jews.
+--- 57997255
+>>57997087
+Okinawa is Japan, and Ryukyuan are Japonic people to begin with, you retarded gooshill. Gooks got colonized to the core and everything in modern Korea is a bootleg Japanese stuff. No wonder you suffer from such a massive inferiority complex and seethe 24/7.
+--- 57997303
+>>57997188
+Then don't bring it up and it didn't happen when I was little it happened in my early adulthood but I was too stupid naive about it
+
+I'm posting facts and sources you are just shitposting empty delusional claims, post something to back up your claim from a credible source and then come back otherwise just shut the fuck up you fucking tranny
+--- 57997315
+>>57997255
+You are a complete fucking retard, Okinawans fucking hate Japanese, do you know a single Okinawan? Do you know their history which was worse than what the Normans did to the Anglo-Saxons and Celts? Lmfao
+--- 57997370
+Fact:
+>>57983492
+
+Fact:
+>>57983512
+
+Fact:
+>>57983606
+
+Fact:
+>>57983704
+
+Fact:
+>>57983995
+
+Fact:
+>>57984104
+
+Fact:
+>>57984139
+
+Fact:
+>>57984153
+
+Fact:
+>>57984175
+
+Fact:
+>>57984252
+
+Fact:
+>>57984790
+
+Fact:
+>>57988366
+
+Fact:
+>>57991866
+
+Fact:
+>>57994153
+
+Fact:
+>>57994705
+
+Fact:
+>>57994867
+
+Fact:
+>>57994952
+
+Fact:
+>>57994979
+
+Fact:
+>>57996565
+
+Fact:
+>>57996596
+
+Fact:
+>>57996626
+
+Fact:
+>>57996690
+>>57996725
+>>57996824
+
+Fact:
+>>57997141
+
+You:
+>>57996643
+--- 57997373
+>>57997303
+Wait, so you're just former prostitute with regrets and not abused child?
+--- 57997382
+>>57997303
+Holy shit this just keeps getting more and more hilarious.
+--- 57997398
+>>57983492
+4 star general was interviewed, not died in crash
+--- 57997467
+>>57997373
+I was living with my relatives for a few years and since I do not speak fluent japanese I could not get a regular job so I had to work at a restaurant/bar and service some of the regulars in a backroom since just waitering alone was not enough to pay for the rent/food/etc my relatives set, after a few times I refused to and they had some brutes beat me up and pressure me back into it, I eventually saved up enough to move back to the US
+--- 57997478
+>>57997467
+>they had some brutes
+Surely they must've been Zainichi Koreans
+--- 57997619
+Saddest thread I have seen in a while, OP is obviously hurt and are suffering from PTSD, please be well OP :(
+--- 57997673
+>>57997478
+Don't threaten him with a good time.
+--- 57998287
+>>57997673
+If not Koreans, then according to his own 'facts' he got beaten by low test midgets, sad
+--- 57998311
+>>57979271
+this
+navy is what really matters and japan mogs chinas navy
+--- 57998361
+Land forces: South Korea could realistically walk through 5x Japans without much effort
+
+Sea forces: South Korea has a far more advanced navy and according to the recent announcements today appears to have nukes on their subs, SK navy is probably 50% better than Japan, all of ROK naval vessels are best in class not just in Asia but the world, the only thing they don't have yet is nuclear powered submarines which are being developed already and should be operational in the early 2030s
+
+Air forces: SK has a significantly more advanced and larger modern air fleet, probably 2x the capabilities of Japan
+--- 57998382
+>>57998361
+>and according to the recent announcements today appears to have nukes on their subs
+Does those announcements exist outside your head?
+--- 57998388
+>>57998311
+Implessive
+--- 57998411
+>>57998388
+>>57996643
+Why did you take screenshot again instead of using already saved pic?
+--- 57998467
+>>57998361
+>SK has a significantly more advanced and larger modern air fleet, probably 2x the capabilities of Japan
+Lets compare
+
+SK
+> 170 F-16
+> 60 F-15
+> 40 F-35 (with 20 more planned to be ordered and MAYBE another 20 after that but neither order of 20 has been placed yet)
+
+Japan
+> 90 F-16 (F-2)
+> 200 F-15
+> 36 F-35 (with ~108 more on the way ordered and paid for)
+
+> Sea forces: South Korea has a far more advanced navy 
+Nope, if you look at VLS capacity and anti-submarine warfare capabilities, and ballistic missile defense, japan mogs SK. 
+South Korea has a single Aegis destroyer class with more VLS cells, but japan has 8 Aegis destroyers from 3 different classes. The most modern is from like 2020. 
+
+Japan has DOZENS of modern maritime patrol aircraft too that specialize in sub-hunting.
+--- 57998519
+>>57970713 (OP)
+I, for one, just wishes Japanese and Koreans just got past their hangups and decided to team on China.
+--- 57998579
+>>57998467
+
+Land: Where to start?
+
+Let's use MBTs as a proxy, ROK has 1511 120mm mbts all K2s or K1a2s the K2 is widely considered the best mbt in the world, Japan has 452 120mm mbts and they are all lightly armored and not fit for warfare by NATO standards, but probably similar to Russian/Chinese standards
+
+SPHs? ROK has 2,240 155mm sphs, most are K9s the best sph in the world, Japan has 166 155mm sphs
+
+The same gap is across all levels of land weapons to include ifvs, helicopters, rocket launchers and this is not even factoring the sheer number and readiness levels of the special operations forces which are the largest in the world even larger than the US, and again, the level of training that occurs constantly 24/7/365 of the entire military system for a full scale combined arms war - honestly only the US is at a comparable operational readiness / training level
+
+Air: SK has 120 KF21s confirmed orders, will be at least 240 KF21s over the next several decades, 60 FA50s that are generally comparable to F16s that are not F16Vs, all of SK F16s have been upgraded to F16Vs compared to none in Japan, all of SK F35s are F35As, this is not the case with Japan
+
+Sea: Naval warfare is not a gradual parity game, certain tiers of weaponry completely outclasseses lesser tiers and makes them effectively useless, ROK has submarines with SLBMs that are already fitted for nuclear missiles, Japan only has torpedos and would need a complete redesign to fit missiles which are not even being contemplated, this is solely why the British and French navies are only surpassed by the US in the free world, they have nuclear subs...full stop...end of discussion here
+--- 57998598
+>>57998579
+And those supposedly nuclear armed SLBMs are going to get through Japan's massive sonar detection system by…?
+--- 57998612
+>>57998579
+Ahhh yes, you're going to use a handful of ballistic missiles fired from 2 subs that can only go less than 500km and can only carry a conventional warhead (the nuclear warhead in your head doesn't exist you dumb faggot). Against a country that SPECIALIZES in sub hunting and ballistic missile defense...
+
+you're delusional.
+
+Also, how are any of those self propelled guns or tanks supposed to GET to japan? Japan has plenty of naval assets to make china think twice, let alone south Korea.
+--- 57998638
+>>57986263
+>Lmfao there are about 100+ countries that fall into this category idiot
+Not really because most of those 100 countries don't already have a completed nuclear program but just haven't converted it to weaponry yet. Japan already functions on nuclear power.
+--- 57998650
+It's amazing that SK has more chestbeating than on /int/, the place where you actually see the SK flags.
+--- 57998677
+>>57998579
+>ROK has 1511 120mm mbts all K2s or K1a2s
+Unless wikipedia is heavily out of date, then he real number is 744, it does however have over 1500 tanks with 105mm cannons, K1s, K1E1s and modernized M48s(lol)
+>FA50s that are generally comparable to F16s that are not F16Vs
+No they're fucking not
+>SLBMs 
+Stop masturbating to them, without nuclear warheads they're not the gamechanger you think they are
+--- 57998678
+>>57998579
+Most don't comprehend or realize the sheer scale of advanced weaponry on the Korean peninsula, ROK has more MBTs and SPHs than all of western europe...combined and they are all cutting edge / state of the art latest available technologies, on the other side of the dmz the Norks have even more although their weapons are dated the volume of weapons is massive..this is all on a land area barely bigger than the main British isle...
+
+This is part of the reason why there is some pressure for ROK to support Ukraine as they have more arms than literally all of Western Europe today, as an example ROK is estimated to have more than 1 million 155mm artillery shells, this is a crazy figure that is difficult to comprehend, and why ROK is "donating" 500,000 155mm shells to the US without even breaking a sweat, comparing ROK to Japan is like comparing the US to Canada or Australia, its not even worth the exercise
+
+https://news.bloomberglaw.com/international-trade/russias-war-puts-focus-on-huge-korean-artillery-stockpiles
+--- 57998685
+>>57998598
+Yes
+--- 57998690
+>>57998650
+The primary gookshill on /k/ is a well known east coast american who claims to be ethnically japanese/nordic/korean, and since he was pimped out by his Japanese relatives in japan he now lashes out against japan and shills for Korea vocally in as many threads as possible, anything korea or japan related will get posts from him. He often calls people trannies or ends his posts with lmfao
+--- 57998692
+>>57984276
+I thought of just filtering him but so far this downfall is entertaining
+--- 57998709
+>>57998612
+You are a fucking idiot if you think 500km range on a sub can't hit any part of Japan, do you realize how close Korea is to Japan, fuck they even talk about Korea being able to hit Japanese soil with 155mm arty let alone slbms on an archipelago that has no piece of land more than 100km from a shoreline, literally the worst geography to defend from as there are landing points from literally everywhere
+--- 57998710
+>>57998692
+>downfall
+I don't think there's rock bottom for him, he always find a way to get lower
+--- 57998730
+>>57998709
+Again, the country with 20+ attack subs, a massive fleet of maritime patrol planes that drop sonobouys and torpedos for sub hunting, and brand new sub hunting frigates (Mogami-class) that are being built at a pace of 2 per year for the next decade or so.
+--- 57998731
+>>57998677
+> wikipedia as a source exposing yourself as a noob
+
+The current number of 120mm is 1511 K2s and K1a2s, the K1a2s are literally M1 clones, all have been upgraded to 120mm as of last year
+
+FA50s beat out the non F16V F16s 100% of the time in international procurement where they go head to head, its nothing special but neither is the F16 unless the F16 is upgraded to an F16V
+
+SLBM is literally the most potent weapons systems in the world today fuckface, why would any country that has this want to give it up and why is it considered the single most presitigious weapons system to hold everywhere in the world? You realize with slbms the UK and France would be Belgium and Netherlands from a military perspective idiot and yet they are considered minor world powers, also why China won't completely fuck with India too
+--- 57998735
+Guys, it was 80 years ago. At some point you kinda have to get over it because there won't be anyone left who was alive when it happened. I'm Vietnamese and I don't really hold a grudge against the Americans because the war was a long time ago, I hold a grudge against the Chinese because they continue to fuck with us to this day.
+--- 57998743
+>>57998677
+Yeah, 1511 120mm, if you count the 105mm the total is something like 2500+ mbts, that's a lot of armor on land the size of England alone
+--- 57998764
+>>57998731
+>SLBM is literally the most potent weapons systems in the world today
+ONLY WITH NUKES RETARD
+--- 57998767
+>>57998710
+Just caught up with the thread. Didn't now it was a recurring schizoposter. Somehow, back when name- and tripfagging was more common, 4chan didn't have anywhere near this many obnoxious egofags.
+--- 57998771
+>>57998612
+The ROK navy would steamroll the Jap navy without any effort it would be uglier than what Yi Sunshin did to the Japanese armada by sinking their entire navy of over 330 ships with only 13 ships
+--- 57998775
+>>57998731
+>The current number of 120mm is 1511 K2s and K1a2s
+How?
+
+There are 260 K2s
+There are 484 K1A1 that are being (or have been) upgraded to K1A2
+
+That's ~750
+
+Where are the extra ~750 coming from in your 1500 estimate?
+--- 57998783
+>>57998775
+He got 1511 from total number of K1 and K1A1 tanks that due to his schizophrenia morphed into 1511 120mm tanks
+--- 57998795
+>>57998771
+Ahhh yes, the navy that has the most joint training and integration with the US navy, and literally based their destroyers off of the US destroyers, of which they have more than 3x as many naval VLS cells than korea has. 
+
+That's the navy south Korea is going to steam role?
+
+>>57998783
+Yeah figures, and sure the K1E1 program is a nice upgrade, but they're still 105mm and that program wont even be done until like 2027.
+--- 57998808
+>>57998735
+He's butthurt because he got pimped out by relatives in Japan, not because of war
+--- 57998822
+>>57998638
+Are you retarded? Japan is literally a mental midget in nuclear technologies and needed South Korea to come to the rescue during Fukushima
+
+The only nuclear technology powers are the US, South Korea and France that's it, UK has nuclear weapons given to them by the US back in the day but don't have any real nuclear expertise
+--- 57998873
+>>57998795
+Lmfao if you think japan has the most joint training with the US navy, there is literally no navy that conducts operational exercises more with the US than the ROK navy and its not even close, what you tranny weebs don't understand is that the US military system is all about tradition and our greatest heros and doctrine are rooted in WW2 and the Korean War
+
+So guess what who was our mortal enemy that we conquered in ww2? Japan
+
+Who was our blood brothers allies in the Korean War? South Korea
+
+Which country has sent more combat troops to support US operations post Korean War than all other countries combined? South Korea
+
+There is a reason why the US rolled out red carpet this week to ROK, it was all a celebration of brothers in arms regaling in their mutual history fighting on the same side against the bad guys, did you see how many standing ovations the joint session of congress gave to the ROK president? No you didn't because you were shitposting on your tranny discords
+--- 57998901
+>>57998873
+Where is the US 7th fleet headquartered for the last 70+ years? Japan.
+
+Who initially trained and established the JMSDF? The USN. The USN also has DEEP ties in the development of naval technologies and naval warfare hand in hand with japan over the last 60+ years.
+
+You're delusional if you think South Korea is anywhere near japan in terms of naval training with the US.
+--- 57998928
+I hope everyone understands that the legal barriers to the JSDF deploying in offensive operations won’t mean anything if the US seriously pushes them to come out. For example, in a war with China. For example, their new helicopter carrier being designed and tested with operating F-35s. The frequent training with the US. If you think they won’t participate if something big goes down in the Asian Pacific you’re deluding yourself.
+--- 57998930
+Man I hope norks nuke sorks
+--- 57998945
+>>57998873
+>There is a reason why the US rolled out red carpet this week to ROK
+Yeah, it's official state visit. But I understand you had certain experiences that shaped your view of normal hospitality
+--- 57998949
+>>57998928
+Japan reinterpreted their constitution recently to allow for deploying the JDSF abroad for defense of an ally. They also now allow the JSDF to use cruise missiles in counter strikes in an enemies territory, or to pre-empt an imminent attack on japan or their allies.
+--- 57998983
+>>57971643
+>advanced air-targeting guidance solution
+Shills are just making stuff up now kek
+--- 57999016
+>>57998901
+What's joint development of anti ballistic missiles to normal state visit ceremonies like rolling out the red carpet
+--- 57999017
+>>57998928
+Yup. It's funny when someone takes any kind of "oh but this weapon is only for role x" claim seriously no matter what kind of legislation backs it up.
+If you have the military capability, you will use it as necessary.
+Laws are only words on paper and subject to change.
+--- 57999034
+>>57999016
+i'm glad you got pimped out
+--- 57999075
+>>57998928
+You are smoking tranny weed if you think Japan would last any longer than Taiwan against the CCP, this isn't the early 1900s fucktard, Japan and Taiwan are literally just meatshields and a land base in the Pacific theatre, that's it, if fighting does go down it will be 99% US + ROK, this is what their gigantic constant exercises are for, even countries like the UK and Australia will play a greater combat role if the Pacific theatre, if you understand anything about US geopolitical doctrine its to keep BOTH China and Japan cucked perpetually, we beat the fuck out of Japan the entire post-war period culminating with the Plaza Accord and now our attention is focused on China, we literally built up China to counter Japan's copy ajd paste strategy they would still be in the stone ages if we really had an altruistic approach to Japan, simple as
+--- 57999115
+>>57999034
+??
+I think you misread my comment, I'm not the gookshill
+--- 57999117
+>>57971643
+we skipped hypersonic, our ordinance basically instant transmissions onto target.
+--- 57999125
+From 1982, obviously before the internet age where these prestigious newspapers set the tone for political agendas in the US, simply replace Japan with China and vice versa, cycle will repeat ad naseum
+--- 57999158
+Here's the wiki page on anti-Japan sentiment in the US, typical wiki it glosses over the fact that Japanese were considered worse than niggers in the US, but gives a flavor as to how its been a core part of the US culture since the 1800s and only started to subside years after the Plaza Accord
+
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Japanese_sentiment_in_the_United_States
+--- 57999171
+> Ctrl+f "tranny"
+> All results are this one schizo 
+Truly rent free.
+--- 57999176
+>>57999125
+>>57999158
+what a sussy baka
+--- 57999205
+>>57999158
+> Glosses over the fact it was worse than niggers
+> Links a factual statement about anti Japanese sentiments but also asserts an implication to try to tie it in with the fact and lend credence to said assertion.
+Jesus Christ. There's so much proof of Japan being militarily inferior yet you go on these grand adventures to point at everything but /k/ related info. Are you ok? Who the fuck is paying you? What color is your skin?
+--- 57999677
+>>57994867
+>Using Japanese and German robots in factories make you advanced
+Your own countrymen don't even think so.
+https://www.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20220110025500504
+Also
+>>57996643
+>>57995957
+>Larp online as some crossdressing twink
+>Constantly fantasize about "Korean bulls"
+>Call other people trannies
+--- 58001253
+>>57998519
+Japan and Soko may hate eachother, but they would absolutely join forces to fight off Red China. It helps that lots of younger Chinese people hate South Koreans.
+--- 58001310
+>>58001253
+ROK is the most pro-US in the world, ironically even more than the US itself, but both absolutely hate China
+--- 58001344
+>>58001310
+South Korea is even more anti-China than Japan
+--- 58001605
+What's the internal JSDF culture like - do they actually see themselves more as a self-defense force than a military, or do they see themselves as a military in all but name - and does it vary by rank and service? 
+
+For example, does the JMSDF, with their F-35 carrying "multi-purpose operation destroyers" named after WW2 carriers and flying the rising sun flag, see itself as closer to the tradition of the Imperial Japanese Navy than the JGSDF does to the Imperial Japanese Army? And what about the air force? And when it comes to revising Article 9, how do soldiers and the upper ranks of the SDF feel - are they eager to drop the pretense, or is it really only a hobby horse of politicians and nationalist civilians?
+--- 58001711
+>>58001344
+I hear there are monuments in Korea dedicated to victims of the PLA, but I didn't see any when I was there.
+--- 58002107
+>>57999075
+Stop being delusional gookshill.
+US war simulations conclude that Japan is the decisive factor in the next war with China. Japanese naval, air, and logistics support literally determines the war, while Korea is too weak and irrelevant to be taken into account in the slightest. Those conscripted cannonfodder gooklings army in ROK only exists to prevent it from getting steamrolled by the commies within a few days again, and Korean nation itself, ROK or DPRK, is a pathetic slave colony that spent the entirety of its history sucking dicks of China, Mongolia, Japan, and the US, who the hell takes it seriously?
+--- 58002753
+>>58001605
+Considering the top brass in the past used to be ex-IJA, I would find it hard to believe all of the old culture and views to be gone, at least in the high ranking officers.
+--- 58002777
+>>57971127
+>t.
+--- 58002847
+>>57984175
+I'd love to know the reasoning behind each prefecture's choice.
+Korea makes sense, I assume because everyone's watching K-Dramas and listening to K-pop and so on, and the USA is presumably a mix of US cultural dominance and US forces having a presence in Japan, so those aren't as interesting. But what's the reasoning behind picking Italy, the UK, Germany, France and Russia? And is there a good reason those specific prefectures prefer those countries, or is it basically just random noise?
+--- 58003711
+>>58001605
+>JMSDF 
+Easily the biggest traditionalist of all branches, doesn't even hide its love and respect for IJN traditions as you see, from Rising Sun ensign to ship names. It wouldn't even be a coincidence that the Kaga, known as "devil ship" in China for air raids launched from the predecessor during the Second Sino-Japanese War, was revived in the midst of Chinese expansion.
+
+>JGSDF
+Ambivalent. On the one hand they loathe fuckeries committed by IJA, and on the other still inherit a lot from it consciously or unconsciously. Pic related for example, tanks of JGSDF 11th Tank Unit, on the turret are two characters that mean samurai spirit in honor of the IJA 11th Tank Regiment which had the same motto/nickname for the regiment, fought Soviet Kuril landing forces in the last days of the war, displaying their inseverable spiritual bond with IJA for better or worse.
+
+>JASDF
+Modeled after USAF, least traditionalist of all, evident from their aircraft naming convention following that of USAF instead of the IJA/IJN Type-X style.
+--- 58004254
+Japanese culture is centered around Americans. They have holidays for Americans. They killed hundreds of thousands of Japanese men to compete with Americans. They listen to American music. They elect Americans as their countries main line of defense. They dress and act like Americans. They draw the entirety of their modern culture from Americans. They post sassy gifs about Americans. They read textbooks in worship of Americans. Their biggest event of the year involves throwing parties in honor of Americans singing songs. They use American slang like "Yo" and "homie". When you say "Gaijin" they're not thinking of the game dev studio, They're thinking of Americans . Their cities are completely overrun with Americans. They worship their TVs and social media disproportionately filled with Americans and their global freedom crusade filled with liberty. Their men sit around watching American car culture TV shows while their women sit around watching American talk shows and fantasizing about blonde hair blue eyes kids. They worship Americans like Seth McFarlene and Donald Trump and the late Freddie Mercury while attacking the other foreigners who actually built their country before Americans took over. They send Japanese to the west coast campuses and celebrate when the Japanese graduate because those Japanese are now true Americans. They watch American animation to a point where "Family Guy" does not make them think of a salaryman but about American TV shows instead. They will tell you how much they hate Americans and how the Japs law meme is a stale joke and they are just pretending to love Americans but the evidence speaks for itself in that Japan has always been and will be a nation of American loving azns.

k/57973617.txt

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 --- 57991373
 >>57991343
 The SLR safety is actually better than the regular FAL's. Same with the mag release. It's more awkward when you don't have gloves on, but you'll see the point when you're wearing mitts and have to change mags
+--- 57991514
+>>57991373
+Yeah, I do like both the safety and mag release on L1A1 better than the metric style, I don't use the trigger finger, but press the mag catch with the thumb of my supporting hand while grabbing the magazine... I'm a bit unsure about the charging handle - the folding one is more comfortable for carrying the rifle, but can be difficult to grab quickly, esp. with gloves. I would definitely prefer the metric sights though, that folding rear sight seems to always be down when I want it up and is difficult to grab, plus the aperture feels a bit too big.
+
+Also need to put a longer pin in the BHO to make it work again - don't know why the bongs decided to deactivate it.
+--- 57991657
+>>57991134
+>muh ukraine
+Ahh yes the war where they are using literally anything they can get their hands on what a great example, just about every weapon of the cold war is being used some bone stock some with "modernized" shit on it. This is not what I was speaking about but rather the rifles countries actually issue to their military. Which by the way they are using FAL's in Ukraine of all types from old FN and inch guns to more modern ones. They are also using bone stock M14's and EBR's along with G3's, AR308's, AR18's and again pretty much anything made in the last 80 years.
+--- 57991902
+>>57991514
+>but can be difficult to grab quickly, esp. with gloves
+I have managed it in inclement weather with period-correct British winter mitts on, rifle is fine
+--- 57991907
+>>57991657
+I don't recall seeing a single inch FAL in Ukraine. Aren't they mostly Paras?
+--- 57993139
+>>57991907
+The vast majority of them are paras or old FN guns yes. I wager the inch rifle I have seen was probably a gun someone brought themselves but I couldn't tell you for sure.
+--- 57994514
+>>57990953
+FAL shooters spend half their time adjusting their gas block and the other half complaining about how their rifle is on the wrong gas setting.
+--- 57995580
+>>57994514
+Lel, I won't dispute that. Though it's usually less that the rifle is malfunctioning and more that it either barely shits out the casing or shoots it into orbit
+--- 57997377
+>>57991657
+what optics mount is this?
+--- 57997960
+>>57991514
+>plus the aperture feels a bit too big
+There's an easy fix
+--- 57998128
+>>57973617 (OP)
+You wouldn't be a schizo to think that you'd be a tranny
+--- 57998786
+>>57997960
+Insulation from electric wire?
+Honestly, if I could get a Hythe sight without paying an arm and leg, I think I wouldn't have any complaint.
+--- 57998844
+>>57998786
+>Insulation from electric wire?
+Yep. First time I took it to the range I didn't have that at hand so I put a sticker over the aperture and pierced it with a needle, worked just as well but not as durable
+--- 57999495
+>>57973632
+>>57974187
+>>57975194
+Where do DSA FALs typically fail parts wise? Could I potentially take a DSA FAL and frankenstein it with quality overpriced FN parts or something?
+--- 58000727
+>>57999495
+Maybe, but—knowing nothing about the FAL market, mind you—I expect that after one or two parts you'd get into the ballpark of having just bought a quality parts kit gun to begin with.
+If it's just a range toy that you trot out when it's short shorts weather, I've never heard of them failing catastrophically or DSA's CS being inadequate, so I'd hesitate to bother doing my own armorer work instead of having them deal with their shitty rifle's bullshit.
+--- 58001480
+>>57999495
+In my experience it is the receiver being out of spec and causing excessive wear until I got a dremel in there and since then the only issues I have are due to having shitty mags from the 60's. I am going to assume the issues are less related to any specific part and just that DSA doesn't have very tight standards.
+--- 58001486
+>>57994514
+I put mine on "3" 6 years ago and have fired several thousand rounds through it since then, of all manner of shit. Aguila, surplus 7.62x51mm, s&b, if you name it, and it's headstamped 7.62x51, I've probably shot it through with no problems.
+Mine's a very old DSA StG58 parts kit though
+--- 58003807
+>>57998844
+Would you mind measuring the aperture sizes on your rear sight? I live under the impression that the large aperture is bigger and the small smaller than the standard one on single-leaf rear sight, but couldn't find any conclusive evidence.
+DESU if it is so, I probably wouldn't bother with the stripped wire trick if I had a Hythe RS...
+--- 58003890
+>>58001486
+My SLR worked fine on 5 but I flipped it to 4 because I started getting uneven ejection. Wonder if the gas port is a bit crusty
+--- 58003929
+i still have an old ass imbel receiver i bought but no parts kit to go with it. i want to get a stg58 or something with those sheetmetal handguards. i like the look.
+--- 58004188
+>>58001486
+My L1A1 shoots brass to 15 meters regardless of the gas setting so I just leave it. Gf's Stg 58 needs to be adjusted properly though or it won't cycle some of the weaker ammo 
+>>58003807
+The small one without the insulator is 2mm and the large one is 7mm

k/57975110.txt

@@ -399,3 +399,51 @@ That Chinese naval yard shitting out destroyers 7years ago was kino.
 --- 57990706
 >>57989609
 Stay mad cuck
+--- 57992713
+>>57977815
+Apparently one of these is still airworthy today.
+--- 57992773
+>>57977557
+>singles out some black woman who did her part to win the war just because of her skin colour
+For shame, anon.
+--- 57992779
+>>57977837
+US alone I believe almost two 4-engine aircraft every hour
+--- 57992853
+>>57975110 (OP)
+--- 57992959
+>>57977557
+--- 57992962
+>>57978753
+>>57983530
+>tfw 26yo western machinist
+Feels like being a peasant after the black plague
+--- 57992968
+>>57990190
+kek, chill out white boi
+--- 57993061
+>>57992773
+>colour
+I don't think you'd understand as a non-white brit
+--- 57993404
+>>57993061
+I am certainly whiter than you.
+--- 57993462
+>>57990190
+>>57992968
+A war between zogbots and chinks would be beautiful. Please do the needful.
+--- 57994413
+>>57992968
+NO. I'm tired of the piss-people thinking they're hot shit. Well, they are, they're the hot sloppy ploppy you pump out after a particularly spicy meal, an entire country populated by evolution's diarrhea. They don't have empathy or sympathy, their entire culture celebrates cheating and fucking people over, lying about literally everything ESPECIALLY their fucking military capability. I bought an M79 replica from Taiwan a few days ago just so I could imagine them seething about not having that gay little island that hurt the feelings of 1 billion "people" by telling them to fuck off and leaving their disease ridden, backwards, infinitely subjugated perpetually failing state. Chong Bong up there MUST shut the fuck up and make the Mcdonald's toy plastic interior bezels for my old corvette that I WILL NOT pay more than 10 cents per man hour for once the slant-eyed simpsons character making it has finished losing 7 fingers molding it and then died to his plant collapsing 4 seconds after the truck picks it up to ship it. Not that they have them but I would pay extra to know something I ordered from China had some chink's soul trapped in it after being eaten by industrial machinery like a fucking plastic soul gem. Make these river destroying, videogame ruining, single child having, shovel-faced, industry sharting, furnace diving, truck catching, plane crashing, apartment welding, free range tire hugging liveleak stars get OUT of my games, markets, and probably world.
+--- 57997400
+>>57993404
+Doubt.
+--- 57998664
+>>57989799
+youd never find me anyways
+--- 58001483
+>>57984595
+notice it looks like they're doing the paintjob, maybe they throw in 16 switches
+--- 58004366
+>>57999479
+>tfw no english slag gf to watch footy with and listen to prog rock after love making

k/57976583.txt

@@ -212,3 +212,119 @@ You can fit like 10 more on there bro
 Any patch makers watching this thread, enjoy the free idea.
 
 Sator square patch please.
+--- 57992056
+>>57991247
+One of the oldest memes, ultra based, I want one.
+--- 57992697
+>>57991247
+sure lmao
+--- 57992825
+Any good metal patches?
+
+Pic related is a chink patch, surely cheap brass that'll oxidize in an hour and smell terrible: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005286629684.html
+--- 57995451
+>>57989751
+>So do you guys actually wear you patches at the range or otherwise IRL?
+Occasionally
+--- 57995612
+>>57986747
+I'm hoping so but I'm gonna need to get some money flowing back in before I can go restocking less popular stuff. Things have been tight lately and people aren't buying as much in the way of non-essentials these days. I'll try to squeeze them into an upcoming batch. That said, restocks are inbound. These shipped last night.
+--- 57995705
+where can I get this petch?
+--- 57995781
+>>57995705
+Bye
+--- 57996061
+>>57995612
+this is nice but man you told me a m200 mlg restock was going to happen like almost 2 years ago
+--- 57996552
+these will all be restocked friday
+there are some new patches too that i'll take pics of later
+--- 57997899
+>>57989776
+nice anon
+>>57995612
+I am once again going to buy more of your patches
+--- 57998283
+>>57997899
+Checked. Where'd you cop the anti-UN patch?
+--- 57998408
+>>57998131
+Cringe patches dude
+--- 57998508
+>>57995612
+what store is it?
+--- 57998557
+>>57998283
+It's in the image 2 posts above T^T
+
+>>57997899
+nice & check'd
+--- 57999063
+>>57976583 (OP)
+--- 57999635
+>>57983129
+I've seen a thousand edits of these florks, what is the original context?
+--- 57999752
+>>57999635
+--- 57999915
+>>57990266
+Just bought some from them, thanks for the rec.
+--- 58000284
+hope y'all enjoying the draft
+--- 58000710
+anon that wanted it, it's done!
+--- 58001003
+>>57976583 (OP)
+--- 58001043
+Anybody know where I could get this patch or a decent bootleg of it?
+--- 58001207
+>>57995612
+I will now buy your patches (look sick).. and hopefully with our purchases you'll be able to restock those eventually
+
+>>58000710
+fuck yes that was me and day one cop for sure; any news on the 4chan pass one? (my other request)
+--- 58001228
+>58001003
+Fuck off faggot
+--- 58001273
+Anyone got some good ranger eye/ cateye patches? I have some space on my bag where I want to add some
+--- 58001661
+>>58001207
+Had some color issues so trying again
+--- 58001837
+>>58001661
+oh man max fuccen excite, thank you very much aho-kun
+--- 58002583
+>>57997899
+Where's the rest of the gun anon? You're not wasting gun money on patches again are you??
+
+>>57996061
+I'm retard, pls forgive
+
+>>57998508
+anon pls
+--- 58002641
+>>57989484
+>>57989693
+It's desuprint, I made it for him and i'll push him to make a konata one to go with it
+only ones he has right now is haruhi and marichka
+--- 58002700
+>>57989751
+FYI meme/anime patches are relatively common at competitions. I have run into weeb patchfags at AZ 2gun.
+--- 58003172
+>>57977756
+>>57977252
+Where did you get the Rally Vincent patches?
+Which sleeve of the ACU gets the flag patch? What goes on the opposite sleeve? Would it be cringe to wear an American flag on the correct sleeve of a CIVPU blouse?
+>>57976760
+You might like to have a patch of the Serapis flag. It's a pretty cool story, and it looks nice.
+--- 58003710
+>>58003172
+>rally patch
+from whoever makes the McChicken patch
+I can't remember
+--- 58003787
+>>58003710
+>>58003172
+Ahoworks makes rally and the McChicken patch

k/57977563.txt

@@ -607,3 +607,115 @@ I work at Chuck's Suck N' Fuck.
 --- 57990708
 >>57989945
 this, unironically. friend has a multi-million(10+) company working with gubmint contracts and their firewalls get a few dozen attempts per day, 70-80 percent from uge chyna, rest from domestic US. my suspicion is that uncle spendy is trying to do damage control and internally roster what info has been leaked by breaking into the systems themselves so they can verify what is and what isnt a known unknown.
+--- 57991673
+>>57977626
+BASED
+
+https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dJdCJMyBi5I [Embed]
+
+https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dJdCJMyBi5I [Embed]
+
+https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dJdCJMyBi5I [Embed]
+--- 57991698
+>>57982709
+What do u do
+--- 57991708
+>>57977563 (OP)
+Former liquor store employee.
+Between jobs atm.
+--- 57991887
+>>57977563 (OP)
+>just sold my failing business
+>have run it for 12 years, beyond burnt out
+>just turned 30
+>no qualifications or degrees other than highschool
+>can't join military because some doctor thought I had ADHD a year ago (never took meds)
+>single
+
+What the fuck do I do? All I want is to move out of the city and live comfortably during the decline and collapse of society.
+--- 57991901
+>>57991887
+Become a park ranger.
+--- 57991919
+>>57991887
+Society ist the decline of society, at least in the west. The further it degrades, the less likely it is to collapse. The decline of society happens precicely because people don't care enough for there to ever be a loss of control
+--- 57991932
+I bought Bitcoin to buy drugs and forgot about it in like 2011
+--- 57991940
+>>57977563 (OP)
+I cut grass.
+--- 57993844
+>>57991887
+Start a new business
+--- 57994978
+>>57993844
+how do you do this, how do you efven get a decent job I got no idea where to start in this shithole.
+--- 57995457
+I sell drugs
+--- 57995629
+I’m currently going for an associates in marking while working for a major banks auto department. I’m not exactly sure what to do with my degree once I get it. But hearing about all this cyber security stuff and tech is making me reconsider. I’m reasonably computer literate, what should I go for if I do decide to switch?
+--- 57996298
+IT software engineer for a major airline. I love the flight benefits but have to hide my love of guns completely
+--- 57996692
+>>57977851
+They need engineers for their stationary? Wow, I didn't think pads of paper were that complicated.
+--- 57997327
+I'm literally (not figuratively) an arms dealer
+--- 57997396
+>>57997327
+can i have one?
+--- 57997450
+>>57996298
+Do you also have to hide your love for fucking children?
+--- 57997468
+>>57997450
+I don't understand, why are you so mad anon?
+--- 57997857
+>>57977643
+I’m pretty grateful Locksneed and NASA turned me down, working for an oil company in a western mountain state and the hours and workload are nothing, the pay is the most I’ve made, and everyone here is an alcoholic degenerate. Feel like I struck gold. Might just vote for Biden since my life has gotten so much better.
+--- 57998117
+>>57977563 (OP)
+I got an office job and im a year away from six figs, so i can afford some entry level toys. 5 year plan is to build a pathan style ak with carved furniture and some specific traits, i have a guy and everything, but my libshit state banned everything so I must wait. 
+
+I know plenty of 65k/year bros from my old line of work who own guns, they just take them out on payment plans
+--- 57998172
+>>57978930
+Fuck UPS, jesus christ. Teamsters are fucking scumbags that do nothing in exchange for that $10 every check. 
+Im somewhat happier at fedex but theyre still pulling the same shit of cutting hours to the bone and trying to get 60 trucks a night processed with as bare minimum a crew as they can. and then they wont fucking train me on equipment so I cant do ramp duty and get more hours. Its fucking dogshit.
+--- 57998702
+>>57998117
+I make 35k/yr and have 20 guns. Budgeting is important and so is avoiding debt.
+--- 57998761
+>>57998117
+>65k a year
+>payment plans
+this is why you don't /k/onsooooooooom gun product
+--- 57998816
+>>57977657
+Enjoy your aids i guess
+pro tip genocide all russians
+--- 57999202
+>>57977563 (OP)
+Medical device. I design million dollar medical appliances.
+--- 57999247
+>>57977657
+Edgelord
+--- 57999268
+>>57983691
+Save money and retire young then enjoy the rest of your life someplace rural where you can shoot at all hours. I retired at 47 and life is good (except for my bad back, fuck old age).
+--- 57999302
+>>57997468
+He hates competition and should join the priesthood.
+--- 57999328
+>>57998702
+^This. Live right and have much disposable income. I'm a poor cripple only netting ~60K but about 2/5 is fun money and I'm debt free with a paid off mortgage. 
+
+Buy cheap, DIY like a beast, don't live in cities.
+--- 58000220
+>>57977563 (OP)
+engi for a car company, piss easy job that pays well enough, even better coworkers are curious about /k/ shit too and they appreciate my autism in a way i haven't experienced before
+--- 58001985
+>>57994978
+idk
+--- 58003282
+I'm poor as shit, I cheap out on what I eat so I can afford firearms. I also don't smoke, drink, or do much that requires spending money aside from buying a game every now and then.

k/57978151.txt

@@ -684,3 +684,77 @@ The war should be taught in schools to show Iraq's military genius and how it ov
 >Leave when largely stable, but keep a few bases behind
 
 I'm very drunk and I have no idea if any of that was in any way not retarded, but it's what I have
+--- 57991792
+>>57990064
+I bet you signed up the day you heard the Kurds got gassed and enlisted into MARSOC single handedly lead the charge into Saddam's palace and raped Saddam's cute little asshole until he died right?
+--- 57991810
+>>57991792
+no but my brother got permanently crippled there
+--- 57991846
+>>57991810
+Yeah, my neighbor at the time got his leg crushed by an artillery gun during it, part of me thinks he didn't on purpose but he was never too bright
+--- 57994096
+I love my /int/ Iraqi bro
+--- 57994818
+>>57979857
+The deradicalization and reeducation of the japs was pretty active and apparently pretty effective though.
+--- 57996718
+>>57994096
+Love you too bud
+--- 57996777
+>>57979333
+wow yeah current iraq is so much better
+retard
+--- 57997410
+>>57979333
+Saddam was absolutely better for Iraq than what has followed
+--- 57998741
+>>57994818
+No it wasn't lmao, it wasn't until the economic boom in the 70's and 80's that Japan stopped wanting to murder everyone around them. You know absolutely nothing of Japan's post war history.
+--- 57998778
+>>57998741
+Anon, put down the crack pipe. Even in the early 1950s, when the US wanted Japan to remilitarize to contain the Soviet Union, they said "no, we're pacificists now lol"
+
+Ultranationalism was only ever really popular in the Japanese military, and we killed all of those people. What was left were the technocratic bean counters who were never anti-American to begin with.
+--- 58000598
+>>57978151 (OP)
+First off, I would've tapped a brand new combat arms recruit at that time -- myself -- and placed him/me in [REDACTED]; this will be important later.
+
+Next, I survey the map. With their entire air force as well as C&C destroyed, the enemy has been reduced to purely decentralized guerilla warfighters waging a hopeless asymmetrical campaign which is effectively impossible to stamp out with conventional military. The conventional military's job here is done... for now; there's no telling if they'll be needed back there to deal with a likely invasion by neighboring countries inspired by the power vacuum of both our withdrawal and Sadam's elimination.
+
+So, now that we've realigned American military presence to a much smaller and concentrated footprint -- Kandahar plus three or four satellite airbases, each ringed with layered fortifications surrounded by miles of killzone closely watched and patrolled thoroughly -- with a new mission agenda shifted away from playing police to simply securing airheads in-country from which to provide close air support & logistics within the surrounding theater.
+
+Now comes the time for a *new* vision. This is where the fun begins...
+
+Firstly, know this: the continuous conflict between Iran & Iraq is largely doctrinal, as that -- pre-9/11/2001 -- Iraq was ruled by a Sunni minority, while Iran was taken over by hardcore Shiites when all that jazz with the Shah happened. Sunni & Shiite muslims are doctrinally opposed; if their Jihad against all infidel ever culminates in the total eradication or enslavement of all non-muslims, then the Sunni & Shia factions of Islam would fall upon one another like mortal enemies and savagely war until only one or the other remains, inshallah...
+
+...that is, of course, unless one arrives who was prophecied in scripture: the "Madis" or something suspiciously like "Muad'Dib" (Dune) -- which translates roughly to "truthspeaker" -- who shall speak such deep wisdom as to unite Sunni & Shiite! (cont)
+--- 58000614
+>>57979333
+how exactly is that my problem?
+--- 58000703
+>>58000598
+(cont)
+...so... I MANUFACTURE THE MADIS! Yeah: I get that guy who I sent to [REDACTED] -- basically alternate past me -- and shape him/me into this mythical muslim messiah. I start this cult in Iraq (and parts of Iran and surrounding countries, lel Israel), clandestinely supported by the CIA, which "organically" wanders around the country with an ever-growing band of followers, this almost hippy movement, man, like Jesus Christ Superstar.
+
+So, this on-demand prophet surreptitiously uses CIA mind control techniques (LSD, subharmonics, directed energy, subliminal holograms, you name it) in order to build a FUCKING CULT! Holy shit, you ain't NEVER seen a cult like THIS since back when early Christianity was going hard BLM-style! This cult of Islamic Unifists would really stir up trouble all throughout the Middle East, conveniently on the doorsteps of perpetual adversaries Russia & China, which is the thesis of this Hegelian dialectic.
+
+The antithesis is... *CRACKDOWNS* -- but we use the Iraqis themselves; we form a whole huge native police force, basically put a badge on every guy from Iraq with military experience, or even just the abilities of reading & driving, tier it out, then cast the net wide.
+
+Naturally, the terrorists & insurgents will gravitate to my manufactured Madis movement and stick to it like glue, cuz "the man" is really giving it to them; few better ways to get street cred than keeping it real while the authorities knock you around.
+
+So, now my huge cult has deep network connections with insurgents, terrorists, criminals, et cetera... it's now a relatively easy matter to use this puppet as a puppet master of sorts, and utilize these connections to destabilize our enemies, maybe even drawing them into war against our proxy guys. Sorta like Obama's ISIS...
+
+Alright, so here comes the punchline; the synthesis: we ultimately topple the puppet government of Iraq and replace it with a religious theocracy lead by the Madis. We win @ MidEast.
+--- 58001512
+>>57998778
+No we didn't kill all of the ultra nationalists, they just learned to hide their power level. Like many asian cultures the japs are very good at stabbing people in the back and being very 2 faced. If it wasn't for the massive economic boom they had there's a good chance they would have tried something. Korea was much of the same way and was a complete powder keg until very recently.
+--- 58001637
+>>58000614
+Tanker War
+--- 58001866
+>>57978151 (OP)
+I wouldn't. America is a piece of shit faggot nigger nation run by kikes. All their influence on foreign countries should be removed.
+--- 58002446
+>>57982954
+when you've got the big stick, you get to play big stick games. Luxembourg doesn't try to play power games and nobody bothers Luxembourg do they?

k/57978834.txt

@@ -537,3 +537,247 @@ Yeah
 --- 57990884
 >>57990829
 ok thanks anon.
+--- 57991809
+Oh
+--- 57992144
+>>57990166
+I recommend doing a converging zero first then shoot at a different range and adjust only azimuth. That way you have a converging zero for elevation and can make adjustments based on distance but have a parallel azimuth and can shoot to any distance and keep the laser in line with your bore
+--- 57992767
+>>57978876
+yeah and they completely mog every other NVG in existence
+--- 57993790
+>>57990397
+>Reaction time dulls with age
+This is a true statement. Takes longer for me to cum, chicks dig it.
+--- 57994203
+>waiting for the assfacts review
+any of you in his discord? bully him into shooting it, i know he has one.
+--- 57994238
+do you guys know if NVD BNVDs are compatible with PVS 14 attachments? I'm considering getting an ANVRS and PVS compass but I don't want to spend a bunch of money for nothing
+--- 57994382
+>>57994203
+never ever.
+--- 57994384
+>>57994203
+The only thing I want to see from him is why he thinks Lancer mags suck.
+--- 57994448
+>>57994384
+because they pop a round out occasionally. real talk though, ive been using them for over 10 years and they work fine. 
+
+the real reason is that 300blk fags use them without knowing that you need the 300blk version for proper function, and then they blame the magazine. 300 blk fags ruin everything, that caliber can make any AR unreliable.
+--- 57994503
+>>57994448
+Thanks for the take, I was concerned that the 308 ones I was interested in picking up a couple of were going to have issues.
+--- 57994536
+Now that Nocturn dropped the Daisho bridge I can stop using ebay pano. Waiting on some reviews , if it all checks out Ill be scooping one up for my Tantos.
+--- 57994553
+>>57994448
+Please fuck off back to /cangen/ before the janny bans you. Why are you even here, you probably don't even have nods.
+--- 57994573
+>>57979723
+I hate that all of these US made IR illuminators look like a fulking incandescent bulb with a weird halo. All of them... My Perst-3 has the cleanest fucking illumination. Perfectly even lit circle.
+--- 57994652
+>>57994503
+no the 308 ones are based. the larues are better ofc, but the lancer 308s are good
+
+>>57994553
+seethe nerd
+--- 57994670
+>>57994652
+My bad, I thought you were someone else that frequently spams another general.
+--- 57994675
+>>57994573
+feds dont want you to have nice things. 
+
+if it werent for the chinks and slavs, it would be all we have without paying $5,000
+--- 57994687
+>>57994536
+looks cool. 
+
+tik tok bracie, may31 is the deadline
+--- 57994716
+>>57994687
+Time to just put a stock adapter on it then.
+--- 57994745
+>>57994716
+do they have one? the P320 thing looks real cool but i think the problem with that platform is theres no stock available. 
+
+the brace ban killed many cool guns.
+--- 57994794
+>>57994745
+Yea it’s basically just a thicc Burt plate where the Jhook is now. $99 if I remember right.
+--- 57995676
+>>57994384
+>>57994448
+I've never shot .300 blackout out of them and have never dropped my mags and still have had reliability problems with them.
+--- 57995722
+>>57995676
+with lancers? 
+
+ngl i kinda doubt it. its almost always something else with the gun. lancers have been around a long time
+--- 57995774
+>>57994448
+>>57995676
+I have some lancer 5.56 smoke 30rd mags and I relegated them to 300blk usage only. I never had problems with them in my 5.56 ARs but I do have the issues with rounds getting ejected from the feed lips when the mag is impacted hard enough at the base plate. So far with my little amount of 300blk usage they seem to be fine but this caliber is not my primary rifle setup so I don't have enough time with it to see any issues that may occur like brassfacts or others have.
+One thing I do notice the polymer for the lancer mags are noticeably flexible over pmags, but I bet it has to do with the translucent design that makes the polymer a bit "weaker".
+--- 57995798
+>>57994573
+my d2 looks good
+--- 57995842
+>>57995798
+Yeah, I don’t know what’s he talking about, I can understand the edge emitting laser illuminators in that photo is what he’s criticizing but the D2 and other LAMs with VCSEL illuminators are damn clean and soft like looking with a WML.
+--- 57996001
+>>57995722
+This was on two different guns, with two different Lancer mags as I collect the different colors.
+--- 57996118
+>>57995676
+>>57996001
+caliber?
+--- 57996272
+>>57996118
+.223. Happened on both an AR-180B and my own AR that I never have malfunctions on.
+--- 57996360
+>>57996272
+thats pretty cool, ive been shooting with lancer mags for years. i dont claim they're the best magazine, but they certainly work. ill file your ancedote in with all the other ones
+--- 57997169
+>>57996360
+Yeah I was surprised. Maybe it was ammo related, it was shitty Winchester ammo, but I didn't have problems with other mags I had that day.
+--- 57997950
+So is a PVS-14 just a PVS-14 or are there different kinds of PVS-14?
+--- 57998041
+>>57997950
+The PVS-14 is the housing.
+--- 57998059
+>>57997950
+Yes but also no. A PVS14 is assembled with specific manufacturer housings and optics with a couple different battery module options. The most commonly available being Carson, but there are other manufacturers with NSNs that you can find sometimes. There are however a lot of commercial housing and optic options that are marketed as PVS14s that are not. Some can be just as good, most are often worse, and rarely some are better in specific use cases.
+TLDR shop for assemblers using Carson housings and optics for the true PVS14 experience.
+--- 57998067
+>>57997950
+The biggest variations are with the type of image intensifier, which range from foreign Gen 2+ ones to expensive high grade L3 ones. The best bang for your buck are Elbit tubes. Besides that, there are some variations in the device itself with lightened glass, housings and battery covers. Of course, those are almost always more money.
+--- 57998456
+is it just me or did every single laserspeed product disappear off of alibaba ?
+--- 57998904
+>>57998456
+>alibaba
+If you are looking to resell just use their website contact for business inquiries. If you are just a consumer then aliexpress is where you should be buying.
+https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1101039324
+--- 57999458
+>>57998456
+They took them down because they're redoing the product listings due to some Alibaba policy changes for anything firearm accessories related. They said it should be back up mid-May.
+
+>>57998904
+>If you are just a consumer then aliexpress is where you should be buying.
+You'd be a retarded consumer if you wanted to buy multiple units and went straight to Aliexpress first.
+--- 57999582
+>>57994503
+Be aware that .308 guns are way more picky than 5.56 ones. I have pmags, steels, and lancers. Steels dont work in either of me or my friends (his is a S&W, mines a CMMG [pic rel]). Lancers work in mine, not his. Pmags work in both.
+--- 57999631
+>>57999582
+larue mags are extremely based i just wish they werent so expensive. i only own 4
+
+you are absolutely right, i actually had to modify my gun to get them to work. the bolt catch was getting lifted by the mag body and locking back every shot. removed the catch and dremeled it a bit, cold blued it, reinstalled, fixed
+--- 57999689
+>>57999631
+>the bolt catch was getting lifted by the mag body and locking back every shot
+I've had to file bolt catches on 3 large frames among my shooting buddy group. 2 Aeros and 1 local CNC shop/FFL. The not-quite-an-actual-standard is a fucking headache for building LR308ish rifles.
+--- 57999742
+>>57999689
+yeah. It's a pain in the ass. and then you have companies like Ruger who got so pissed off with the lack of compatibility in AR10s that they just made a 308 rifle that could take as many AR15 parts as physically possible. im not sure which approach is better, but I can see why people just say FUCKIT and buy a KAC SR25. 
+
+hows the CMMG 308s? any good?
+--- 57999897
+>>57999689
+>>57999742
+Wasn't my reply, but my CMMG has been flawless with decent groups at 100 (dont have anything longer near me). My buddy's S&W however, has been a shit show. Ended up having to send the barrel off to have the gas port drilled out since I don't own a press. Seems to be good since then.
+--- 57999931
+>>57978876
+>>57980360
+Also have some experience with the pnv 57e
+Was very surprised with it. Very usable only problems was lack of autogain so it raped your eyes whenever looking at a bright light source and fixing the elec was a bit annoying
+Other than that if you can find em for cheap theyre great
+--- 58000006
+>>57999742
+Sorry, I wasn't CMMG guy. I do have this sewerpipe 22" 6.5CM built off of the CNC shop receivers I mentioned though. Not at all a night gun or even one I've used outside of the local 1k flat range.
+I imagine the SFAR makes a decent field rifle. Too bad about the interrupted top rail IMO.
+--- 58000283
+>>57999742
+Having played fuck fuck games with AR10 assembly before the best move is to buy receivers and parts from one place
+--- 58000434
+>>57999931
+They are quite neat for the price.
+The guy who sold em to me was a cunt though, said it was all working, but in reality there was arcing inside the transformer box that shocked the shit outta me when I was fixing it.
+--- 58001742
+>>57999458
+>due to some Alibaba policy changes for anything firearm accessories related.
+uh oh. That doesn't sound good. Hopefully Ill get enough time to buy the upgraded FL5 before stupid stuff starts happening.
+--- 58001744
+bump
+--- 58001980
+>>58001742
+Upgraded fl5? You mean M3 with a non shit mount you fucking newb?
+--- 58002028
+>>58001980
+And they are apparently doing some sortve upgrade to the turrets.
+--- 58002264
+>>58001980
+>he hasn't been on the Laserspeed Facebook 
+ngmi fake fan
+--- 58002271
+>>58001742
+Be more worried about the ass fags review on it coming this month
+--- 58002366
+>>57978834 (OP)
+Do tritium sights get in the way of shooting a red dot under night vision? What about night sights? (On a pistol)
+--- 58002387
+>>58002271
+Ahh good luck future lasersneed buyers, assuming he gives a glowing review of it.
+--- 58002400
+>>58001980
+>calls others newb
+>hasn't even been around long enough to remember the first FL5 upgrade
+shiggy diggy
+
+>>58002028
+The updated turrets are still in early testing so it doesn't sound like it'll be out anytime soon. I'm more excited about the smaller and lighter M3 variant that's on the horizon.
+--- 58002482
+>>58002271
+>>58002387
+From the sound of it he begrudgingly rates them as high as the Somogear. Sounds like he possibly got one of the early versions, which does have issues. And its not like he hangs out here or talks with LS on fixing the issues. ;)
+--- 58002507
+>>58002271
+we're all gonna make it bros.
+--- 58002533
+>>58002366
+front sight i find is not a huge issue. it's visible and you can see the glow but it's not overpowering in the conditions i've shot in. i even use the front sight as a locator beacon of sorts to help with alignment if i've fucked up on the draw. i have something like a lower 1/4-1/5 cowitness though. if you have absolute or 1/3 it might get in the way. rear sights are distracting and you should make them black. 
+
+i prefer a higher brightness to my red dot when shooting under nods so the above might be different if you're using a low brightness.
+--- 58002591
+>>58002482
+>as high as somogear
+blasphemy, somogear a shit
+--- 58002814
+Thoughts on setting up an R8 for night vision? Seems like it might be a bad idea because of cylinder gap and fireballs. unless you can affix a muzzle device/flash hider of some kind.
+--- 58002960
+>>58002028
+If the vis laser is what you all are referring to you all are a joke. Nobody gives a fuck about anything but the ir illuminator and ir laser designator. The caps are something they barely acknowledged with no fix date in sight.
+--- 58002986
+my sneed is almost here.
+--- 58003027
+>>58002960
+>If the vis laser is what you all are referring to you all are a joke.
+The first step to healing is to admit when you are wrong and stop drinking so much.
+>Nobody gives a fuck about
+ESL?
+--- 58003324
+>>58002591
+Might be fun for flat range larping.
+
+>>58002960
+It makes sense to update the FL5 to match the same high vis output of the M3 if it's not going to affect anything else.
+>The caps are something they barely acknowledged
+Not publicly. They told me they started working on something.
+--- 58003408
+>>58003324
+Tell Ping Pong that if they release a cheap LAM with a center-over-bore designator that takes crane plugs then they’ll dominate the US market
+--- 58004137
+bump

k/57979309.txt

@@ -499,3 +499,352 @@ They appear but not often.
 >>57990859
 >SVCH
 Is that basically an mr1?
+--- 57991628
+>>57991060
+>Looks way better than that new production WBP garbage
+it's exactly the same except for color
+--- 57992070
+>>57987402
+>PSL
+--- 57992257
+>>57992070
+That's a psl
+--- 57992524
+>>57990157
+Why’s aren’t you wearing the ear pro under balaclava?
+--- 57992583
+>>57991060
+What’s wrong with WBP furniture? I know it’s a bit too light but you can always put your own finish.
+--- 57992611
+Is it normal for the Romanian side folding stock to fold a bit to the right without pushing the button?
+--- 57993352
+>>57989966
+Still not small enough.
+--- 57993739
+>>57979627
+Get a 1p76 instead
+--- 57993740
+>>57991354
+SVCH is mil designation and mr1 is civilian version.
+--- 57993768
+>>57993740
+Oh, I handled those two at the gun store but they didn't impress me that much.
+--- 57993885
+>>57984366
+Check'd n kek'd
+--- 57993934
+>>57993740
+>>57993768
+You could say the MR1 isn't SVCH a good design
+--- 57994017
+>>57993934
+--- 57994168
+>>57979441
+what about doggy?
+--- 57994169
+>>57985079
+>I have both
+If that isn't the biggest flex
+--- 57995222
+>>57979309 (OP)
+I AM SO FUCKING SICK OF THIS
+
+there is no mud on the battle field, this is a fucking meme, and at no point is a solider going to drop this gun in some mud then need to shoot it.
+
+And so what if he does? He can just clean it. THIS IS A FAKE PROBLEM. THE AK IS FINE.
+--- 57995231
+>>57993768
+I don't blame you. I just like that its literally a modern SVD, using the same gas system. I don't know if they made the 338 version for civilians, but a semi auto box mag fed 338 DMR is very attractive to me. I have a saiga 308 and wouldn't mind the 308 version, either. We'll just never see them here in the US.
+--- 57995389
+I've got an old romanian Sar 1 that I'd like to put a scope mount on. I read somewhere that century put a proprietary rail on them so regular AK scope mounts don't fit. Anyone know if that's true?
+--- 57995877
+>>57995389
+just wait until you get it, then upload pics. it's like 50-50 if it's the century rail or a normal one
+--- 57995901
+>>57995222
+90% of fighting in europe rn is in muddy ass dirty trenches. Just doing combat drills and patrols you will get shit all over your gun if you're hittin the dirt and actively engaging someone over a dirt burm in the rain. Battle is dirty, sweaty, and muddy (if in a temperate climate)
+--- 57995924
+>>57995222
+But I will throw you a bone, practical combat conditions don't result in the packing mud into the receiver kind of "mud tests" that jewtoobers do. But you will get some shit in the action of your gun. I've gotten leaves, sticks, mud, rocks, even a spent casing bouncing around in my receiver from where the brass bounced off a tree and went back into the action. Ak chewed through it all, but shit does get in there.
+--- 57995964
+>range trip ruined by nignog with his draco and even brought a speaker blasting skippy bip bop
+--- 57996019
+>>57995964
+>Shoots the floor, ceiling, wire holding the target
+--- 57996159
+>>57995924
+A few of the videos of trench warfare I saw months ago the ukrainians were knee deep in mud, if a soldier forgets to put the safety on I could actually kimd of see mud being a problem
+--- 57996174
+>>57995964
+based nigger. I would've hip hopped and mag dumped with him before blowing a blunt in the parking lot
+--- 57996187
+Can I hang out?
+--- 57996247
+Was going to get a cheapo PSA AK for my first, but just ordered a WASR on sale for $850 and a 700 round spam can. What am I in for?
+--- 57996267
+>>57996174
+Based and h'weed-pilled
+--- 57996289
+>>57996247
+A real good time. My WASR is my go-to AK
+--- 57996294
+>>57996187
+you can chill with us homie
+--- 57996307
+>>57996247
+you made the right choice anon, you're in for a good fuckin gun. Welcome to Romanian gang
+--- 57996310
+>>57996247
+A great rifle. And some stinky corrosive ammo. It's gonna be great, you'll love it.
+--- 57996394
+Anyone used those metal croat mags with the WASR? I bought 10 of them. I'm comfortable with a dremel if they don't.
+--- 57996411
+>>57994169
+I'll flex for real if I ever manage to get an SVDS and both a PSL and M76. I also dream of an SVU but I know that is impossible.
+--- 57996455
+>>57996394
+I have two, one works fine and the other doesn't work at all. The one that doesn't work I received for free because it didn't work though. It doesn't seat at all in any of my 7.62 AKs and I don't want to fuck with it so I just use it as a bottle opener now.
+--- 57996583
+>>57996394
+I bought quite a few when there was a sale on them I haven’t even opened most of them but the ones I have used work fine
+--- 57996821
+>>57992583
+>What’s wrong with the WBP furniture?
+--- 57996832
+>>57995222
+>there is no mud on the battle field, this is a fucking meme
+Retard living under a rock since last year?
+--- 57996909
+>>57996821
+are you retarded?
+--- 57996942
+>>57996832
+He's shitposting. Posters (possibly from /akg/) in threads relating to rifle mud tests were proclaiming (probably trolling) that getting mud into your rifle is literally impossible and the mud test that Mike Jones did is invalid. It caused lots of flame wars and even Mike and crew called people idiots.
+--- 57997006
+>>57996289
+Sweet, I just ordered another. Fuck it. Oregon here so I'm getting them when the getting is good.
+--- 57997161
+>>57996909
+You are retarded.
+--- 57997168
+>>57997006
+Washingtonian here. I empathize.
+Fuck I hate how my state has been cucked.
+--- 57997195
+>>57997168
+That blows. It's funny because I used to visit my rural cousins in WA as a kid and always thought of it as a place that had more freedom than Oregon.
+--- 57997243
+>>57997195
+I live in rural WA and love it here. If it weren't for Seattle you'd think it was at least deep purple if not outright red. But no, the gibsmedats and Californian transplants in Kang County vote Dem for obvious reasons.
+On the bright side the tech industry is starting to collapse which makes me happy. Maybe those faggots can move back to where they came from
+--- 57997451
+>>57997243
+Where I'm at it's all 60+ retired entitled Californians that want everything their way. For example I know of a bird hunting spot where they've put up a no hunting sign on their land next to the entrance of the federal land where it's allowed.
+--- 57997482
+>>57996411
+Nothings impossible if you have the right connections, anon
+--- 57997528
+>>57997451
+>>57997482
+>move to small town in droves
+>tear down Mom and Pop shops and restaurants to put up strip malls with Starbucks and Target
+>buy up farmland and develop it into gated communities
+>proceed to complain about why the town has lost its character and charm
+Why are Californians like this?
+--- 57997567
+>>57997528
+I don't know what Viktor Bout did to you, but I can assure you he's not californian
+--- 57997590
+>>57997482
+Kek, my best chance would be to have a gunsmith rebuild it from a tigr. I can get the sights and furniture, but it wouldn't be the same. If I had to go that way I'd rather get a commercial g36 to convert into a xm8 but importing or buying a gun privately from the US is almost impossible.
+--- 57997634
+>>57997451
+>Where I'm at it's all 60+ retired entitled Californians that want everything their way. For example I know of a bird hunting spot where they've put up a no hunting sign on their land next to the entrance of the federal land where it's allowed.
+you should go hunt birds out there and then take the carcasses and crucify them with nails onto the californian's houses during the night
+--- 57997714
+>>57997634
+While a good idea, I think that is illegal anon.
+--- 57997784
+What causes one WASR10 to cost $150 more than another? My LGS is selling one for $830 and another for $1000, only difference I can tell is the $1000 one's barrel is a quarter inch longer.
+--- 57997805
+>>57997567
+Didn't mean to tag that post lol
+--- 57997904
+>>57997784
+Idk take some pictures, maybe one is used, maybe one is a old model with the old gas block and still has the bayonet lugs.
+--- 57998180
+>>57996247
+Are 1960s romanian kit builds with recreator blanks on par with WASRs?
+--- 57998233
+>>57997714
+>>57997634
+idk then maybe just hang them from little bird nooses or something. better yet, nail the birds to the "no hunting" signs
+>I'm only joking of course, animals are God's creatures too and shouldn't be killed in such a way
+--- 57998254
+>>57988738
+Both Beryl stock variants suck bigly: both are heavy and have no cheek weld if you use the optic rail.
+
+I've thought of just using pic related on the Atlantic/AoA stock they use to stop the suffering.
+--- 57998386
+>>57998254
+i am working on a riser kit for the beryl stock, i may take orders on them when i am happy with them. this was v1, i haven't taken any new pictures with the actual screws in it yet
+--- 57998494
+>>57998180
+I am not qualified to answer any questions about Ak's. I only bought 2 WASR because the concensus online was they are better than American made.
+--- 57998558
+>>57998180
+depends who builds the kit
+--- 57998607
+>>57989743
+I don’t know why CAI doesn’t offer a pre-installed KNS piston as an optional factory upgrade for their new PSLs at this point. 
+
+It’s a win-win. Having the KNS piston factory installed counts towards 922r and it actually improves the performance and doesn’t mangle the aesthetics or introduce points of failure unlike a lot of the common 922r components and modifications for AK type guns.
+--- 57998701
+>>57990765
+Someone please tell me if pistol grips like these are available, because I'm itching for one really badly. Fuck the tapco SAW grip, I want one of these FAL-esque grips.
+--- 57998704
+>>57990683
+>Whats the handguard? 
+Dissident Arms, very expensive but was worth it to me. Tweaking this shotgun has been fun and it is good to me.
+
+>ps. I fucking hate webps
+I'm a big fan of ranting about this, they make me want to beat someone with a hammer. Quickest thing I've found is opening in Paint and just resaving as JPEG/PNG, probably not very helpful as it isn't exactly quick. I'd imagine an extension exists.
+--- 57998721
+>>57998607
+>WASR's now cost $1k
+>CAI still welds pistons to carriers
+Yeah we all know why they won't do it.
+--- 57998827
+>>57995389
+>>57995877
+this is the type of rail my SAR has. Does this look like a regular combloc rail or a proprietary Century?
+>ignore the chinese dust cover, it's got a dovetail mount and came with the rifle is set to be replaced
+--- 57998828
+>>57998607
+You trust drunken Century monkeys to install KNS pistons? Lol, lmao even
+--- 57998837
+>>57998827
+That's about as generic a side rail mount as you'll find. It'll fit anything that fits AKM rails.
+--- 57998988
+>>57998837
+Nice, thanks anon
+--- 57999481
+Can anyone tell me if these mags can be used on ZASTAVA ARMS PAP M90?
+https://atlanticfirearms.com/ak-556-223-magazine
+--- 57999504
+>>57999481
+>Fits Yugo and Bulgarian Spec AK 5.56 Firearms
+typical retarded pap owner
+--- 57999718
+https://www.icollector.com/Arsenal-DIG-SLR-95-7-62x39-SN-BE370293_i43091541
+
+Surely this US made pistol grip has to be available somewhere, I just can't find any sources.
+--- 57999749
+ITT we wait for
+>>57999999 →
+Then everyone calls that person a nigger.
+--- 57999789
+>>57999749
+I hope it's not me
+--- 57999797
+>>57999789
+Might be me.
+--- 57999808
+Fingers crossed the picture doesn't flip. Just got a new phone, first pictures taken with it. Looks better than last phone. Both are $40 androids. I don't care about buying expensive phones. As long as it takes pictures, and makes phone calls that's all I need.
+--- 57999814
+In any case, may God grant me a U.S made FAL grip for my AK-63F.
+--- 57999824
+>>57999504
+Any recommendations for mags that will work with the ZASTAVA ARMS PAP M90?
+--- 57999845
+sippin the bush latte before driving way too fast through residentials
+--- 57999869
+>>57999845
+>anheuser-busch
+--- 57999882
+>>57979774
+Based
+--- 57999898
+>>57999869
+they were out of my PBR lol
+
+desu that beer politics is just more distractive bs that I can't care about lol
+>they made beer with a tranny on it
+I drink cheap piss water to fuzzy up my brain, I don't have the desire to play jewish identity market games
+--- 57999926
+I should go buy some beer.
+--- 57999938
+>>57999898
+vote with your wallet friend, it's the only thing they understand
+
+is that one of the UF wasrs? how is the stock on it? rickety or nah?
+--- 57999958
+>>57999938
+yep it's a gp wasr 10/63. The stock is matching to the md65 parts kit they made this out of it. I can't speak for the modern production ones. Mine locks up solid. I've run it with drums, bipods, I've jumped into the dirt with it on the stock. It still just keeps chugging away
+--- 58000005
+>>57999845
+>>57999898
+>drinking industrially produced alcohol poison in the current year
+>drinking at all
+Keeping alcohol at home or getting drunk more than once in a blue moon is retarded. Find better ways to spend your free time, your money, and to have something in common with the people you socialize with.
+--- 58000049
+>>58000005
+yeah. i agree, i drank heavily in my early 20s but now im 28 and alcohol just sucks. i only drink when its really hot out or im doing chores. alcohol gives the weakest little shitbuzz destroys your body, its a drug for poorfags and lazies
+--- 58000087
+>>57996247
+Make sure to change the balsawood furniture that comes with it to some surplus laminate.
+--- 58000661
+>>58000049
+It's true. Real men do coke anyway.
+--- 58001257
+>>57996310
+I think he bought the new production romy cans, theyre not corrosive
+--- 58001323
+>>57979774
+>74 get
+god has spoken
+--- 58001437
+>>58001323
+That krink wood is fuckin gorgeous
+--- 58002186
+What's a good handguard for just mounting maybe a light and a foregrip? Nothing else since I have a moe ak stock on my ak right now.
+--- 58002356
+>>57979309 (OP)
+7.62x39 prices went up a dime last time I looked. This isn't looking good guys
+--- 58002425
+>>58002356
+223/556 is still around 30 cents for steel and 35 cents for brass. x39 being .40 cents even though it’s all steel is not that bad.
+--- 58002662
+>>57988738
+Yeah. Bro. It’s comfy
+--- 58003186
+>>57999824
+Beryl mags
+--- 58003269
+>>57999938
+https://www.gunbroker.com/item/970868001
+Get one of these for it.
+--- 58003474
+What's the difference between ZPAP M90 PS and a ZPAP M90 besides the other one having just two more letters in it's name?
+--- 58003583
+How are modern ur wasr?
+--- 58003601
+>>58003583
+I also want to know this. I love my 10/63 uf but I want a new made one too
+--- 58003617
+Are Childers recovers good?
+--- 58003824
+>>58003186
+Thanks for the suggestion anon
+--- 58004038
+Midwest industries brake finally came in the mail. Gonna test it out tomorrow at the range.
+--- 58004104
+>>58004038
+Looks loud
+>>58003617
+yeah
+>>58003583
+2021 WASR 10v2
+--- 58004342
+>>58004038
+Enjoy

k/57980861.txt

@@ -233,3 +233,247 @@ Hmm, interesting. The only quibble I have is that submarines do not do colonial
 
 >>57990875
 If you are talking about the runup to World War I, I think battleships and battlecruisers cost about the same to build, and the higher fuel consumption of battlecruisers may have made them more expensive to operate.
+--- 57992707
+>>57991036
+You have a very valid point.
+
+>>57991083
+Aircraft carriers are deadly at all ranges, however.
+In modern warfare, arguably Burkes and NATO frigates are comparable with cruisers. Only smaller ships like missile boats and corvettes are akin to destroyers.
+
+>>57990875
+Battlecruisers were a new design brought to you by the nutso who also invented the modern battleship - Jackie Fisher. It was a more radical development of the same idea, except that it drastically sacrificed armour for speed. He believed that it could hit battleships from a distance while sailing fast enough that it wouldn't be hit, itself. It was a bad idea of course, and eventually they packed on armour so battlecruisers evolved into fast battleships. But arguably, they were never a necessary evolutionary step - faster battleships were already being built.
+
+In short, a battlecruiser is a battleship, but with the thinner armour and faster speed of a cruiser.
+--- 57993481
+>>57987758
+That is the case historically, but there's other factors if Pearl somehow doesn't happen. If Pearl doesn't happen, the battle fleet is still intact from the start. No repairs, no lengthy transfers from the Atlantic needed. Kimmel, not Nimitz, is still in command of the Pacific fleet. The USN's institutional bias towards the battle fleet as the decisive arm of naval combat is not brutally and violently checked. Carriers are still considered raiders and scouts for the main fleet.
+
+The only real question is, would the logistical reality of only being able to operate a few carrier fast task forces, or the battle line, push Kimmel into favoring carriers for their flexibility until more oilers become available? Also worth wondering, does the US carrier force and overall intact Pacific fleet cause the Japanese to advance more cautiously outside of their initial conquests? Do they no longer go for Wake Island, or New Britain, and instead build up forces in the Philippines and Marianas due to the threat of the Pacific fleet? A lot to mull over there.
+
+>>57990875
+>>57991120 is correct here, battlecruisers were just as expensive if not more so that actual battleships. Reason being that they had to be bigger and have a shitload more boilers than a regular battleship in order to reach their higher top speeds. Nations that couldn't build a dreadnought couldn't build a battlecruiser.
+--- 57994406
+>>57993481
+>Carriers are still considered raiders and scouts for the main fleet
+The USN was going to build enough carriers to match the number of battleships 1 for 1 even before Pearl. The world recognised the importance of carriers by the mid-late 30s. I don't think it would have changed USN doctrine at all.
+--- 57994980
+>>57994406
+Only from the 1940 Two-Ocean Navy act, procurement from the 1934 and 1938 naval expansion acts had been overwhelmingly in favor of battleships. Also worth mentioning, none of the 1940 act ships would be in service until the middle of 1943. There's a lot of hard lessons the USN learns in 1942 that influences how that new fleet gets employed. If Pearl Harbor doesn't happen, the wakeup call for the US that massed carrier air power can both be effectively coordinated against an enemy and be effective enough against battleships to supercede their role as the decisive arm of the fleet has to happen elsewhere. Also worth mentioning that aircraft development was improving by leaps and bounds at the end of the 1930s. What was top of the line in 1939 was obsolescent in 1941, and the most experience that flag officers had with carrier aircraft was the early-mid '30s biplanes. US carriers were still carrying biplanes (albeit newer models) for the final Fleet Problem in the Pacific prior to WWII.
+
+Saying the world recognized the importance of carriers is incredibly reductive and glosses over a lot of stuff. It's not as simple as airplane > battleship shell. For the Japanese, naval air power was heavily pushed because they couldn't build battleships at the rate the US or UK could, and even though the US hadn't built to its treaty limits pre-war the Japanese battle line was horribly outnumbered. So both carrier aircraft and land-based naval strike bombers were developed to close the gap, along with submarines, torpedoes, and night-fighting tactics. In Europe, a mix of weather and geography greatly reduced the efficacy of carriers, and as a result battleships remained incredibly important for control of the sea lanes as they were both more survivable in the face of land-based air power and could operate in all weather.
+--- 57996277
+>>57985267
+Nakadashi French BBs and BCs
+--- 57996330
+>>57980861 (OP)
+Not really a fan.
+--- 57996382
+>>57981077
+>>57996330
+>>57983820
+--- 57996403
+>>57985293
+Sap are good, the biggest problem for me are the fuckhueg citadels. Italian ships are always targeted first because people know they can be smoked with a single broadside.
+--- 57996524
+Which line first?
+Also, these two are basically fast battleships at this point which is make sense.
+--- 57996591
+>>57996524
+St Vincent because those dual casemates on Schlieffen make me physically ill
+--- 57996638
+>>57996591
+I actually hate how St Vincent look.
+--- 57996734
+>>57996382
+Anon, the Navy has reused ships' names over and over, with popular ones having half a dozen iterations all with various fates. Are you just now finding this out?
+--- 57996748
+>>57996734
+It's a joke about not so invincible.
+--- 57997509
+>>57994980
+>procurement from the 1934 and 1938 naval expansion acts had been overwhelmingly in favor of battleships
+only because the existing battle line was extremely outdated, with the newest ships otherwise being the Colorados
+basically a whole new battle fleet was being built during this time, and its composition was 2x NorCals and 4x SoDaks. Theoretically they would be matched by five Ranger-class carriers, but this turned out to be 1x Ranger, 2x Yorktowns, and 1x Wasp. The only actual ship added by the 1938 Act was Hornet, because the USN already possessed 15 battleships. The Iowas would have replaced older scrapped battleships. While aircraft carrier numbers were being built up and old battleships retained in service, necessarily task force compositions would be limited: if including Hornet, the USN would have 15 battleships, 5 fleet carriers and 2 light carriers.
+
+The RN had similar restrictions and a similar Treaty-restricted fleet of 15 battleships and 7 carriers; in the late 30s the RN ordered 5 KGV battleships and 6 Illustrious carriers.
+
+Thus by the late 30s, before the Two-Ocean Navy Act, before Taranto and before Pearl, aircraft carriers were being procured in quite large numbers. In part this would provide older battleship squadrons with CV cover, but also they could be used to form a modern fast striking force of battleships and carriers in at least equal strength.
+--- 57997868
+>>57980861 (OP)
+There was basically two schools of thought for BCs. First was the German approach with being a mid-point between heavy cruisers and Battleships. Then there was the British approach with having the speed of a cruiser and the guns of a Battleship. The British approach never really panned out and we ended up with Fast Battleships instead. Apparently all that armor doesn't slow a ship down.
+--- 57998208
+>>57997509
+>only because the existing battle line was extremely outdated
+That was the case for everyone, and the Standards compared well (excepting Nevada and Oklahoma) to everyone's 1910s-20s construction save for maybe the Nelsons. Their speed was really their only drawback.
+
+>Thus by the late 30s, before the Two-Ocean Navy Act, before Taranto and before Pearl, aircraft carriers were being procured in quite large numbers
+Granted it's treaty-constrained, but how can you make that claim? If you look at total numbers, because after all nobody threw out their WWI-era battleships since they were in reality still useful and dangerous, carriers still made up a much smaller portion of the fleet. If you look at tonnage, battleship tonnage constructed far exceeded that of carriers. Carrier aircraft, while improving rapidly, were nowhere near the level of effectiveness that the world would see in 1941 and onward. Your claims also ignore real-life experience, where both the RN and the USN in the interwar years found carriers to be excellent raiders and excellent scouts, but also to be extremely vulnerable. Which is why battleships were kept as the decisive arm for as long as they were, and US carriers especially were operated in a dispersed manner that precluded the kind of mass strike coordination that the US would experience at Pearl and would also be necessary for carriers to actually inflict appreciable damage to an enemy fleet.
+--- 57998426
+>>57998208
+>carriers still made up a much smaller portion of the fleet
+I just showed the numbers up there are at least 3:1 if not approaching 2:1 counting light carriers. And assuming the Treaty had held at early 1939 levels, light carriers would be eventually replaced by fleet carriers, just as WW1 BBs would be replaced by modern BBs.
+In practice, second-line squadrons would be made up of 3-4 BBs and 1 CV, allowing fleets to concentrate modern BBs and CVs in one "Kido Butai" type formation. The RN did it, the IJN did it, the USN would have done it if not for Pearl.
+
+>battleship tonnage constructed far exceeded that of carriers
+Because of the USN need to replace legacy BBs. Contrast the RN's construction programme.
+
+>Carrier aircraft, while improving rapidly, were nowhere near the level of effectiveness that the world would see in 1941
+The RN was gimped by the RAF, but the Wildcat, Zero, Dauntless, and Val are excellent aircraft.
+
+>Which is why battleships were kept as the decisive arm for as long as they were
+They were kept as close escorts all the way to 1960, but the carriers were regarded as the future decisive striking arm - it was only logical. The bottleneck was number of hulls.
+
+>that precluded the kind of mass strike coordination
+No, the USN consciously decided to disperse for protection on the logic that a counterstrike might only find one carrier instead of the whole shebang.
+
+The RN had too many commitments and too few carriers to mass carriers. Ultimately the IJN was first to implement the tactic. But we can see from the building programmes and air wing compositions that carriers in significant numbers considered essential to future naval fleet battles.
+--- 57998752
+>85 replies in and nobody posts
+You're slipping, 4chinz
+--- 57999166
+>>57987860
+Exactly this. I was maining the PBJ ground attacker and the b-17e's when the update dropped. Every plane turned into paper overnight. Fucking sucked
+
+Engagements that last literally 0.5 seconds aren't fun or realistic
+--- 57999189
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexington-class_battlecruiser
+Vgh... what could have been...
+--- 57999501
+>>57999189
+
+The design with the 5 or 7 stacks was an absolute pigdisgusting monstrosity though
+--- 57999539
+>>57999501
+>he hates it
+--- 57999570
+>>57999539
+Has there ever been a ship that did 7 stacks?
+--- 57999648
+>>57998426
+>I just showed the numbers up there are at least 3:1 if not approaching 2:1 counting light carriers is
+1/4 to 1/3 of the fleet's capital ships. That is objectively a much smaller portion compared to the battleships.
+
+>Because of the USN need to replace legacy BBs
+You're aware that the RN still had Renown and Repulse, along with the whole R class and some un-modernized Queen Elizabeths floating around right? Where does this idea come from that the Brits didn't also want to replace their old and slow dreadnoughts?
+
+>Contrast the RN's construction programme.
+Could you point me to where those last 2 Illustrious class were ever actually ordered? Because I can only find the details for the 4 that were actually laid down and completed. Compared to the 5 King George Vs laid down in 1936-7.
+
+>the Wildcat, Zero, Dauntless, and Val are excellent aircraft.
+The Wildcat and Dauntless both were not in actual service on carriers until 1941. US carriers were kicking around with Brewster Buffalos and some even still carried F3F biplanes into 1941, as well as SBU Corsairs. The A6M likewise only entered very limited service in mid 1940. Which reinforces my point, the effectiveness of 1940-41 aircraft was leagues beyond what flag officers trained with in the '20s and '30s. In a hypothetical "no-Pearl Harbor" scenario, why does Kimmel completely flip-flop on his own experience if he's trying to get a fleet action with the Japanese?
+--- 57999682
+>>57998426
+>the carriers were regarded as the future decisive striking arm
+Due to war experience, arguably a somewhat biased experience from the USN being able to outbuild any other nation on the planet and primarily fighting a foe with anemic anti-aircraft abilities. But they learned hard and bloody lessons from the Kido Butai first. There is zero evidence that any flag-level officer other than Yamamoto prior to Pearl Harbor considered carriers to be the new decisive arm of the fleet.
+
+>the USN consciously decided to disperse for protection on the logic that a counterstrike might only find one carrier instead of the whole shebang.
+This is true. But it doesn't refute the fact that it also prevented the US from achieving the same coordination that the Kido Butai could, and by extension, precluded the kind of mass needed for an air strike to be more than a raid.
+
+>But we can see from the building programmes and air wing compositions that carriers in significant numbers considered essential to future naval fleet battles.
+So now you're backtracking. You've gone from "they knew all along carriers were going to supercede battleships", to "carriers were considered as important as battleships", to "they knew carriers would play a vital role in future fleet battles". Yes they knew from the Fleet Problems that carriers would be the eyes and ears of the fleet, replacing regular cruisers in that role. They also knew they needed fighter cover to keep the enemy from finding their own fleet. They also knew carriers, thanks to their speed and range, could perform deep raids on enemy installations. But they also knew carriers were incredibly vulnerable. Which is why any flag officer of the interwar period was thinking with battleships when he was thinking about a major fleet action with the enemy. The USN could not then, and could not until the Essex swarm of the mid-war period, deal with an enemy battle fleet with air power alone.
+--- 57999694
+>>57999682
+>There is zero evidence that any flag-level officer other than Yamamoto prior to Pearl Harbor considered carriers to be the new decisive arm of the fleet.
+The evidence is the USN procuring like 40 new fleet carriers before Pearl Harbor.
+--- 57999810
+>>57999694
+There were only 18 total Essex class bud, compared to 6 Iowas, 5 Montanas, and the 6 treaty battleships. And the battleships represent a much larger percentage of Navy resources than the carriers do.
+--- 57999858
+>>57983523
+>whereas battleships, even old ones, remained important in both the Med and the North Sea.
+I always found this interesting because air power launched from land is clearly much stronger than naval. 
+>>57983981
+>Also, the change to carriers pissed me off to no end. I liked how it used to be like a mini-RTS, not what it is now.
+Lol it's gotten SO MUCH worse with the subs. I spend a lot of time playing WoWs and WT; my advice is that you need to be willing to stay out of high tiers and you need to be able to adapt to avoid bad meta. That means switching lines or ship types when bad changes happen. You can do it for free but you must be flexible.
+--- 57999875
+>>57999858
+I quit after subs were added to the normal pool of ships, I have subs.
+--- 58000014
+>>57999648
+>SBU Corsair in 1941
+Thats always puzzled me; why they not employed Vindicators earlier? It was inferior to a Dauntless, but more modern than biplanes.
+--- 58000147
+>>57999648
+>That is objectively a much smaller portion
+1/3 is close to 1/2. If you're looking for carriers to outnumber battleships, that wasn't going to be the case. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that carriers were the long-range strike force and everyone knew that.
+
+>the Brits didn't also want to replace
+The whole point of the naval treaties was to put the brakes on a naval arms race. The instant war looked likely they laid down the KGVs and Illustriouses.
+
+>where those last 2 Illustrious class
+Modified builds with war experience as the Implacable-class.
+
+>my point, the effectiveness of 1940-41 aircraft was leagues beyond what flag officers trained
+I misunderstood what you were trying to say.
+Yet the continued development of these aircraft informed fleet design. It was a no-brainer; if land-based aircraft could have such impact, so could fleet-based.
+
+>In a hypothetical "no-Pearl Harbor" scenario, why does Kimmel completely flip-flop
+Not sure what you mean.
+
+>>57999682
+>There is zero evidence
+IMO, the importance attached to carrier building in the 30s strongly says otherwise.
+
+>by extension, precluded the kind of mass needed
+It doesn't. It merely meant the USN needed to tweak either its doctrine or its operational procedures. You can't deduce intent from a cockup.
+
+>>57999682
+>You've gone from "they knew all along carriers were going to supercede battleships"
+"Supercede" is a word you used, not me.
+>"carriers were considered as important as battleships"
+>"they knew carriers would play a vital role in future fleet battles"
+I still maintain this. It's not backtracking at all.
+
+>The USN could not then, and could not until the Essex swarm of the mid-war period, deal with an enemy battle fleet with air power alone
+I never said they would be alone.
+As I said, battleships were needed as close escorts all the way to 1960.
+You're thinking that I claimed "it was expected that carriers would make battleships extinct in the 30s", I didn't.
+--- 58000934
+I love playing a Cruiser or Battleship with Spotter Planes, rushing mid like a mad cunt, disrupting and trading shots with the enemy forces converging on mid, then launching a Spotter Plane right before getting sunk.
+
+I then switch to the Spotter Plane's view, sit back, pack a bowl of weed and smoke it while spectating the battle from my aimless Spotter Plane until it runs out of fuel or gets shot down. Cozy.
+
+>t. haven't played in years
+--- 58000987
+>>57983149
+I mean, it kind of did at first.
+--- 58001040
+>>57980861 (OP)
+>battlecruiser
+aka "a shitty battleship"
+--- 58001190
+>>57994980
+>battleships remained incredibly important for control of the sea lanes as they were both more survivable in the face of land-based air power
+I don't really get this point. if you can't launch planes from a carrier because planes from a land base can shoot them down, can't the same land base also bomb your battleships? in the pacific there were instances where the japs withdrew their battleships because they were afraid of attacks from henderson field.
+--- 58001285
+>>58001190
+NTA, but adding a hundred Bofors 40mm, radar guidance, and fuze shells significantly improved the AA capability of a late-war battleship compared to a pre-war battleship.
+--- 58001298
+>>58001190
+> more survivable in the face of land-based air power
+He seems to be saying that Battleships are less vulnerable TO land-based bombers. Which seems like an extremely dubious claim to say the least.
+--- 58003005
+>Daisen is based on a series of battlecruiser design studies by Yuzuru Hiraga from 1916. 
+>The point of these studies was to determine the kind of hull that would be required to reach a top speed of 35 knots on a capital ship.
+>The four designs all had a main battery of eight 410 mm guns in four twin turrets, completed by a large number of casemate-mounted 140 mm secondary batteries.
+>In all cases, the high top speed of 34.5 to 35 knots was achieved by powerful engines driving six shafts.
+
+>Design I and II were the smallest with an overall length of 284 m and a 229 mm main belt.
+>The design I could reach 35 knots with 205 000 HP and had a standard displacement of 40 850 tons.
+>Design II could only reach 34.5 knots with 186 000 HP and had a standard displacement of 40 430 tons.
+>As for Design III and IV, they were much bigger with an overall length of 294 m and a main armor belt of 305 mm.
+>Design III could reach 35 knots with 215 000 HP and had a standard displacement of 44 500 tons.
+>Design IV could only reach 34.5 knots with 195 000 HP and had a standard displacement of 43 950 tons.
+--- 58003009
+>>58003005
+--- 58003189
+>>57990801
+>>57990768
+Many interwar carriers were literally just converted battlecruisers
+
+I'd argue that as they became the primary combatants, both concepts sorta merged into one. A carrier is a glass cannon, faster than most ships but also intended to fight it out with enemy carriers if necessary. Though optimally you'd use attack subs to counter enemy surface combatants.
+--- 58003258
+>>58003189
+>Many interwar carriers were literally just converted battlecruisers
+Coincidence.

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@@ -429,3 +429,520 @@ Not even a joke about the 50 year old ex felon thing.. Girlfriend works HR at re
 >>57990408
 >Many non alcoholics BECOME alcoholics while serving
 Can confirm. I've become such a fat piece of shit(by my own standards) since I've been in.
+--- 57991917
+>>57985508
+One of the worst off alcoholics I know had a wife, two kids, and a house. Lawyers and doctors are also in top brackets for alcoholism. I can't beleive people still believe this shite. And that guy saying get laid? If just finding a job is overwhelming, who wants to deal with that noise? Sex is nothing special.
+Also to OP, it gets much worse. They're not wrong, you gotta stop.
+--- 57992383
+>>57984002 (OP)
+you sound like you need discipline and the marines would do this for you but you specifically mentioned alcohol problems and marines drink more than anyone. Join the army and get into a *good* unit. An airborne infantry battalion or if you are already in good shape go rangers. 
+
+Getting a POG job in the military is sort of a waste of time, and if you want to do a non military job in the military you should just go to college and not join the military at all, as you will just use your GI Bill afterword so the experience is kind of the whole point.
+--- 57992754
+>>57984002 (OP)
+>Basically I need a job to escape alcoholism
+And the bright idea you came up with is to join an organization with the highest percentage of functional alcoholics?
+--- 57993190
+>>57984002 (OP)
+Been drinking for decades. Never once puked, and then drank again. In fact, I cant remember the last time I puked from alcohol. Youre not bored, youre a hard-core alcoholic. If you do not stop now, you will die a slow, undignified, horrible death. My advice would be to take up back packing. Its cheap.
+--- 57993209
+Any advice on joining at 30 y.o.?
+--- 57993788
+>>57991917
+Just have sex dude
+--- 57994109
+>>57993209
+keep your head low during basic. Dont let the retardation get to you, it will eventually end. Dont get into tard wrangling till you get to a command and earn rank/respect/knowledge of the system.
+--- 57996040
+>>57984002 (OP)
+>joining the military to escape alcoholism
+Lol
+Lmao
+--- 57996053
+>>57993209
+im joining at 30, just get in shape, you will get some ribbing because of your age but its just banter. youre much more mature so use that to your advantage
+--- 57996446
+>>57993788
+Pussy's a hell of a drug. So's booze, opiates, and any other one. I'd take a perc with a snoot and a cheap beer over having to deal with getting a nut.
+--- 57996531
+>>57984399
+Naltrexone is an anti-opiate drug that is useful for combatting alcohol abuse disorder. You receive no pleasure while drinking. No endorphins. Eventually, you stop drinking on your own because it's just not fun and you're not getting any pleasure out of it.
+It's like $400 for a couple month supply from alldaychemist.
+But again, this requires discipline.
+>I'm not a doctor.
+>I'm not YOUR doctor.
+>This is not medical OR legal advice.
+--- 57996789
+>>57996531
+this sounds like it does really bad things to your brain
+--- 57996914
+>>57993209
+Don't do it
+--- 57997078
+>>57996789
+It does, it also makes you receive any endorphins at all really and inhibits the dopamine cascade effect. So working out, spicy foods, hell even orgasming is diminished. Also it made me depressed as fuck (probably already was but the damn thing killed any survival-mode chemicals I had when I was already treading water).
+That being said, some people --even hardcore alcoholics, have reported it working for them. You can order it from India without a prescription if you want to keep it off your records, or telehealth someone from another state and pay with cash on pickup. Since it's not even a scheduled drug there's little risk.
+Basically, why not? I fucking hated it, but I also hated being dependent on alcohol so I gave it a 70 day run until I just realized it was doing more harm than good.
+--- 57997313
+>>57993209
+Commission to the air force. You're an adult and you deserve to be paid and treated as such.
+--- 57997320
+Might not be applicable but I’m considering joining the coast guard as an ME. I’m mainly joining to improve my shooting and to work on the cutters. I’ve heard CG has good quality of life too compared to the other branches. I know Marines get plenty of training in small arms but don’t know if that would be better
+--- 57998305
+>>57984002 (OP)
+>>57987895
+Stocking and merchandise.
+--- 57998327
+>>57984002 (OP)
+Whys it so hard for zoomers to get a job?
+--- 57998576
+>>57998327
+They don't exist in this reality. They are all sheltered by helicopter parents and never had to say a word to anyone that wasn't in their family. They're stunted, socially, mentally, cognitively. Inept, anxious, avoidant, neurotic, risk averse. They never learned how to interact with people, or function in the word, or navigate the socioeconomic landscape. It's fear that consumes them, and so they turn to isolation, and then that leads bitterness, resentment, and all sorts of psychopathology. But in their hearts, deep inside they just want to be accepted and participate like everyone else. The zoomers tale is one of tragedy, and the source of it all is wealthy, neglectful parents.
+--- 57998648
+>>57998576
+I see, so, is there a cure?
+--- 57998724
+>>57998648
+Meditation or therapy lol
+--- 57998733
+>>57998327
+No jobs, no training, low pay, no social skills, take your pick.
+--- 57998747
+>>57997313
+I just don’t have any real interest in the Air Force. 
+
+>>57996914
+Why? I basically wish I had just checked the box when I was younger.
+--- 57998749
+>>57997313
+>implying he has a degree
+--- 57998768
+>>57998747
+>I basically wish I had just checked the box when I was younger
+Oh, God. Don't do it. I made this exact same mistake. If you want to understand why you'll hate being in, then go ahead and join, but it's shit and I regret the decision.
+--- 57998796
+>>57998576
+I don't wanna hear this shit.
+>Helicopter parents
+>Wealthy neglectful parents 
+These helicopter parents you're talking about were beaten and abused by their parents and now they've decided to break the cycle and be less rough and this the thanks they get? You have no idea how rough it was being raised poor by parents who were raised by parents alive in the 19th century. Things were rough and it was a transition period to the post modern digital age. I'd bet good money you've never been so much as slapped let alone belted and beaten. 
+And don't give me this shit about wealth. Parents used to be abusive because money problems were rampant in every household, conditions were tough, food and healthcare couldn't be afforded so the stress was high and people snapped. Now that there's a solid middle class this is less the case and you not only take it for granted but you also blame it for your own failures? Get the fuck out of here and be thankful for the gift you've been given and the patience your parents have for you because I guarantee you they were never shown the same mercy.
+--- 57998829
+>>57998796
+Ok boomer
+--- 57998847
+>>57987273
+Huh? Sailing is American and there is enough literature about it. I was describing videos of probably Marines (they were in their underwear) kept in something like a warehouse on the water for weeks. They were stunned by drugs, aggressive and fighting amongst themselves. I think it is good advice to abstain from such possibilities. This realtiy is totally different from the image you get from "Lone Survivor" or what have you. It is just meat on stock. I think that our young OP has an idea of hyper masculinity in mind that might heal him from his drinking disease. It is an idea and it will be frustrated in the military if he is not very very lucky e.g. by Godly intervention. Basically, he has to heal himself, the military won't help. It would be giving up his freedom and individuality. That is not what America is about. Enlisting for a sobriety cure is like crying for more Communism at the cost of giving up your dignity. America is a spin off from the East India company, why should OP not accordingly make a living as a civilian, learn about the Declaration of Human Rights etc. and join a patriotic militia or just be an upright individual high end fighter with a family. That is all very respectable and requires a lot of discipline. He will give up drinking by the way because he has better things to do and he won't want to risk failure due to drinking because his goals are so important to him. Worked for me that way although I lived all over the world not only in the US and I am also not a US citizen.
+--- 57998907
+>>57998796
+Your kids have zero work experience, a third of them can't even drive, they're not going to college, they're not dating, they're not exercising. What the fuck are you doing? 
+>At least I don't beat my kids like my parents did! And we're not poor!
+This is bare minimum work. The job of a parent is to get their children functioning independently, not to shelter and pamper them. This is why they commit mass shootings. You should be forcing their hands to write a resume and then dragging them to the interview if that's what it takes.
+--- 57998976
+>>57998907
+Uh, maybe they are working mentally or meditate very hard to better themselves. Hard to tell from the outside. On the other hand, you are right, idle hands are the devil's workshop
+--- 57999003
+>>57998907
+>i need you to hold my hand and tell me how to breathe 
+nNo one has time for this when they're busy paying the bills and keeping a roof over your head. Not to mention the college funds (which our parents ever even considered college to be an option). You have everything you fucking need and a computer to boot. You can access any and all information for free and can attend any university online, you don't need to fucking show up to class. You all of you zoomers should be doctors, engineers and lawyers with the information at your disposal. Instead you've squandered every opportunity because you'd rather play Fortnite and smoke weed. Good fucking job retard.
+--- 57999053
+>>57984002 (OP)
+>Basically I need a job to escape alcoholism
+>OP is considering the military
+HA LOL LMAO, LMFAO even, if anything your drinking problems will get much worse, if you join the Marines you'll learn how to be a functional alcoholic at least
+--- 57999309
+>>57999053
+I'll take what I can get. At least I'll be a marine. Theyre cool, they wear cool uniforms, shoot cool rifles, ride on big cool helicopters with "MARINES" printed on the side.
+--- 57999375
+>>57999003
+I'm done reading your boomer rage. If you didn't want a generation of losers you should've raised us better.
+--- 57999416
+>>57998907
+It’s not entirely the kids’ fault. The older I get, the more I realized how fucked up all of this is. Expecting them to succeed in it is like expecting roses to grow out of ashes. We have something like 3 generations totally forgetting everything about that old adage that describes a society where old men plant trees for young men. We have almost the opposite of that, old men who basically stole the soil right out from under them.
+--- 57999425
+>>57998768
+Well, why can’t you just elaborate? I want to run for office and military experience would’ve massively boosted my reputation.
+--- 57999498
+>>57999416
+Opportunity for employment and education are infinitely more available now for youth then they were in the past
+--- 57999535
+>>57999498
+Opportunities for careers are vastly less. So the result is grinding the education only to end up getting the same job and pay, in other words losing the time spent getting the education in order to attain the same result. It's a tax of literal life-time.
+--- 57999555
+>>57999535
+That's bullshit, it's the same as it's always been. Get the degree, start at a company, gain experience, work your way up, and then either stay there or move companies. Why did you ever think you were entitled to luxury right out of college?
+--- 57999721
+>>57999425
+If you're serious about running for office you would just do it. You would also do well to do your best while you're instead of just checking off a box.
+--- 57999729
+>>57984002 (OP)
+ITT we wait for
+>>57999999 →
+Then everyone calls that person a nigger
+--- 57999732
+>>57999425
+Because you're joining for the wrong reason. It wouldnt help you there much, for one, military experience seems nice but doesnt mean shit beyond SUBBORT MAH TRUUUBS DAMN ERRYTHIN ELZ types, who don't tend to vote unless they're geriatic fucks in the first place. In addition you'd be joining as enlisted, you's be an E-3 at best out of basic if you have college under your belt, and you know what that means? You're going to be dealing with 17-19 year olds for your first 4-6 years so you'd have nothing in common with them, while being barred from hanging out with people outside of your rank bracket, which means you'd have no friends your age because they'll all be E-5 to E-7, i.e. sergeants and above.
+
+In short you're going to be competely isolated your entire enlistment outside of being ordered around by people 4-6 years younger than you while your knees explode, all for some extra credit in an election where you wouldnt make it past a primary, service or not
+--- 57999895
+Join the airforce OP.
+
+Everyone shits on them but they get treated better and you'll be surrounded by slightly smarter retards than other branches.
+The new army has become full of corporate style politics and management, so it won't make a difference.
+
+If you want a cool job or want to be "high speed" go pararescuemen or something.
+--- 57999979
+>>57999555
+It's objectively not. Contrast cost of living as a percent of income for now vs 2010, 2000, 1990, 1980 or 1970.
+--- 57999996
+>>57999003
+I got a bachelors in computer programming, am fluent in AutoCAD engineering and architect, work with title companies in real estate, am a public notary, and technically own a retirement facility when I bought the land.
+And I still can't afford a to buy a fucking car straight-out. Boomer boss asks me to scan his write-up because he's too fucking lazy/stupid/ignorant/insert-here how to press to fucking buttons on a computer.
+
+It's bullshit and you know it.
+>back in my day
+nigga I used to literally dig ditches, move furniture, and do residential construction right next to Pedro just to make some fucking money. Fuck boomers.
+--- 58000056
+>>57999996
+>And I still can't afford a to buy a fucking car straight-out
+
+just buy a nice used on from the 90s off autotrader or facebook market place
+
+>>57999555
+this worked in the 1960s, here in the gta wages are staying the same and we have a housing crisis but are bringing in tons of people for wage stagnation and a liberal voting block and houses have rised 14000% since the 1970s, my parents bought a house here in 2000 for 220k, now its worth 1.3 million
+--- 58000076
+>>57999996
+This is all just shit that never happened. You expect me to believe all that and you say you don't know how to buy a car? Give me a fucking break.
+--- 58000135
+>>58000056
+>I don't want to get off my ass because... things cost more!
+...
+--- 58000153
+>>58000135
+>>I don't want to get off my ass because... things cost more!
+
+You dumb boomer I work 60-70 hours a week doing construction making 110-120k yearly with side stuff, I still cant afford a house here, boomers just 25 years ago could get a normal house here for 200k when now the cost over 1 million,
+--- 58000181
+>>58000056
+I had a '96 corolla, loved it. It's dead as Dillinger. Go look at a cost of a fucking car nowadays. And no, you can't drive an old one unless it passes the "emissions test".
+>>58000076
+Fuck you retard. Literally read any objective material on the buying power of a dollar. Oh wait, you won't, because you haven't learned anything since you were in school and refuse to now, and believe that your experience is the same as what your kids are while swindling their entire futures in the same swipe. Get fucked.
+Honestly, I'm seriously considering deciding to be a nigger on the government dole. Covid payments were equal to what I was doing in skills labor, and more than above than what could be got for going "yes massah," for being given the opportunity to break my fucking joints or kiss ass for a living.
+--- 58000185
+>>58000153
+So full of fucking shit man. You can afford a fucking house. Jesus Christ why do you come on here and just spout these weird deranged fantasies. I'm so fucking sick of it don't even get me fucking started.
+--- 58000208
+>>58000185
+>So full of fucking shit man. You can afford a fucking house.
+
+https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/99-Eleanor-Cir-Richmond-Hill-ON-L4C-6K6/2057928791_zpid/
+
+you absolute scum eating boomer faggot, this house would have been 350k 20 years ago now its 1.5 million
+--- 58000232
+>>58000185
+https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/409-Paliser-Cres-S-Richmond-Hill-ON-L4C-1S2/2070534211_zpid/
+
+idiot boomer
+--- 58000299
+>>58000208
+>>58000232
+You're all morons 
+>Here's this one outlying example of property value quadrupling
+>Therefore, I can't afford a house! 
+You know why I know you're full of shit? You might think I hate zoomers, but I know an amateur photographer and his hair stylist fiance younger than you that live in one of the most expensive cities west of the Mississippi and they have a house. You're just being fucking stupid. A lot of zoomers do have their shit together, and they have homes and cars, but there's always the loud mouthed bunch that's wants to blame the previous generations for their shortcomings
+>You ruined the market!
+>You ruined the economy!
+Is such bullshit, and I'm fucking sick of hearing it. Even if it was true, you want me to go back in time and fix it? It's not our fault, and maybe you don't deserve it, but your current situation is all on you, and I know plenty of zoomers that are doing well for themselves when without being some kind of coder software engineer. Youre just full of fucking shit.
+--- 58000366
+>>58000299
+I’m 30 years old not a zoomer. And it’s not an outlying example of property rising it’s all around the country (Canada). Boomers ruined so much of this country it’s insane. 
+
+> A lot of zoomers do have their shit together, and they have homes and cars
+
+Not even close , you boomers are so delusional
+--- 58000389
+>>58000366
+You're just going to outright deny reality because it makes you upset. 30 years old my ass, but even if you were a millennial you're not any better, millennials are the whole reason Biden won and why battleground states are flipping blue. So kill yourself either way
+--- 58000412
+>>58000389
+I hate you boomers so much you destroyed this nation and outsourced all jobs, instead of acknowledging that millennial and zoomers have it bad you keep deflecting and won’t even acknowledge that it is bad for us
+--- 58000435
+>>58000412
+>won’t even acknowledge that it is bad for us
+What are you going to do about it? Whine and complain all day? You don't think we didn't have it rough either? You've never worked a real day in your life. Your fucking stupid cozy office job. Oh but muh retail is so hard. Fuck you
+--- 58000472
+>>58000435
+>What are you going to do about it? Whine and complain all day?
+No go out and redefine labour and get community involvement and get involved in community politics. As I have been doing since I was 26
+> You don't think we didn't have it rough either? 
+No in terms of buying a house you didn’t the wages have mainly stayed they same for the last 50 years while the price of housing has risen 14000% since the late 80s, so you at 30 could have bought a house in1980 for 200k and now they are 1 million
+> Your fucking stupid cozy office job. Oh but muh retail is so hard. Fuck you
+Like I said i work construction and do interlock I have never worked a desk job
+--- 58000489
+>>58000472
+You aren't gonna do shit. You're going whine on 4chan and piss your pants 
+>"ITS THE BOOMERS FAULT THAT IM A LOSER!'
+>"WAHHH! WAHH!"
+--- 58000502
+>>58000489
+You’re seething dumb boomer
+--- 58000522
+>>58000366
+Really, you guys should not fight like that. It takes three generations to have a thing go right. If you are so crafty you might want to go abroad and travel the world a bit.
+--- 58000539
+>>58000502
+You're the one still here seething. I thought you were supposed to be changing the community. Or did you just mean wasting time on a Mongolian basket weaving board? I knew all you zoomers were full of shit. I just knew it.
+--- 58000554
+>>58000502
+Don't take that shit so personal. You can make it anywhere and travel the world as a civilian. On the map, you can see that there Americans everywhere, especially in Germany
+--- 58000573
+>>58000554
+I want to eat German food
+--- 58000587
+>>58000539
+It’s 930pm I’m at home , I actually go to a labour event this weekend and am going to the town council to discuss workers rights with my union
+--- 58000589
+>>58000573
+Well, there is enough food in Germany, but also plenty of gerx and Kebab. In summer, the country should be worth you while
+--- 58000630
+>>58000587
+Yeah, uhuh, and I'm going to be meeting president Donald Trump tomorrow to discuss our business dealings. Anyone can make up any bullshit thetbwantnonljenanybtikengivrnkenhritor
+GIVE ME PROOF THAT YOU ARE WHO YOU SAY YOU ARE
+--- 58000675
+>>58000435
+Objectively no, you were given an entire industrial base and booming post-war economy on a platter.
+I'm sick of hearing dumb old fucks telling me how they flipped pizza for three years compares to me hanging drywall at maybe a dollar over the illegal Mexican he's working next to. Or how to make these hidden calculated lateral moves and hoodwink banking systems while he doesn't even know how to plug a number into Microsoft Excel. Guess what, I've worked with the banking correspondents for years. I fucking know. You've probably head a quote once from a guy 30 years ago who had my position and are now claiming it to be your original thought.
+It's so fucking retarded. The phrase "Figure it out!" pisses me off so much, when they're so inept.
+
+
+Honestly, one of the best boomer bosses I had was a drunk landscaper. He always drove around in a dump truck, helped out, checked on his landscaping maintenance crews, and had his wife handle the numbers. He knew that the crew should be compensated, the management should be present, and the back office shouldn't fuck suppliers or clients. And he only seemed halfway there. The fuck is wrong with most other boomers?
+--- 58000688
+>>58000630
+>meeting president Donald Trump tomorrow to discuss our business dealings. Anyone can make up any bullshit
+Going to union meetings, and a May Day rally is nothing that important. I have a vested interest in my work because in Canada everyone is on strike now. Why are you boomers and old people so blind to the fact that young people now don’t have the purchasing power you did and that everything costs more while wages stay the same,
+--- 58000689
+>>57999498
+>education
+Wow, what a great "opportunity" we have, going into debt to get a devaluing piece of paper because everyone and their mother has the "opportunity" to go to college. Remember when Boomers were able to work a summer job and pay off a full year of college from it? Woe is me for those poor boomers that couldn't go to college but could still be a homeowner and live comfortably with their jobs that didn't require degrees )'=
+>employment
+Golly gee. Thanks for this job that requires me to work 50+ hours a week, just to make end's meet, and have SOME savings in the bank. Sure glad I have so many options today to live in the infested rat race. I'm assuming you're a shill, but boomers do have your retard mentality.
+--- 58000732
+>>58000675
+>>58000688
+>>58000689
+Youre all just lazy ass zoomers who never worked a day in their lives. Go to college, get your degree, start you career. Easy as. All I hear is excuses..you were all sheltered by helicopter parents and now the real world hits you like a truck because you weren't prepared for it. No matter what the conditions are you should be able to adapt and succeed, but you don't and you can't because you're all lazy worthless pieces of pot smoking IPA drinking shit. Just fuck off and die if you don't want to grow up, im not hearing it
+--- 58000751
+>>58000732
+1/10
+--- 58000759
+>>58000732
+Reads demented
+--- 58000784
+>>58000751
+Fine, you've caught me. I haven't honest with you. The truth is, I'm one of the zoomers I claim to hate so much. I wanted to believe that we were dealt a bad hand, the boomers ruined our economy and our parents underserved us. But every time I posted about it on /adv/ I was met with ridicule and accusations. 
+I decided to use you to test my own feelings, to throw the best argument the people that hated me had at you and to have you beat it, because I never could. I guess as I got more drunk I couldn't keep up the authenticity anymore and it became obvious I was baiting. Anyway, there it is, that's the truth. I agree with you. 
+What I still can't figure out is the zoomers I know that make less and still have it all together, going on the path of university to house to family that I was promised but never truly worked out. Am I the failure or is it really a dirty deal. You tell me, please tell me. In ten shots down, and I need the answer.
+--- 58000789
+>>58000732
+This guy has had sex with woman in his life and it was transactional prove me wrong
+--- 58000801
+>>58000789
+*one woman
+--- 58000818
+>58000732
+Do better. No (You) for you.
+--- 58000838
+>>57984002 (OP)
+>wants to escape alcohol
+>joins military
+
+You're like that girl at the club who dresses like a literal prostitute but then calls it rape when I fuck her in the bathroom after stuffing a hundred dollar bill between her tits.
+
+Honestly, who the fuck would even believe you (or her)? There's no way you're honestly saying this. It's like you're telling us that you're medically prone to nosebleeds and deathly afraid of both drowning & sharks, but you've decided to go surfing of the coast of Australia. FFS, there's no way you're not baiting with this shit, OP; nobody with any sense is buying it, fuckstick.
+
+Like, c'mon, man! "Oh, man, I don't wanna become an alcoholic; I'd better join the military! Those guys don't drink AT ALL! Nope! You NEVER see those guys blow their ENTIRE paycheck on booze, fortnight after fortnight! Nuh-uh, the military is DRY! Why would anyone ever seek the intoxicated escape provided by alcohol, when their job is so great, and not at all dehumanizing & soulcrushing? It's just a coincidence that every military base in the world is literally surrounded by bars & whorehouses (or stripclubs -- same dif). No, there aren't a statistically unlikely proportion of military veterans in Alcoholics Anonymous, and it's just a coincidence that the 82nd Airborne Division's logo has doube-ayes ("AA") -- not for Alcoholics Anonymous, actually All American, yeah right -- so, like, no, OP: one simply does not join the military to escape alcoholism; if you're already an alcoholic, the military will simply bring out even more of the alcoholic in you, and you will become more of an alcoholic.
+
+Great bait, OP; you got me and a whole bunch of other /k/ommandos to reply. Thanks for yet another low-quality thread!
+--- 58000906
+>>58000838
+>prostitute but then calls it rape when I fuck her in the bathroom after stuffing a hundred dollar bill between her tits.
+
+I second. Just look at the posts right above
+--- 58000912
+>>58000838
+>Heh, heh, heh
+>Flinch, tweak, hmph!
+Is how I go
+>Why does he do that with his face? 
+>Why does he make those sounds?
+Is what they ask. Where do I belong? Where should I go? Do I not deserve to ask that question? Or should people like me just be stringed along some path they don't really want because we're deemed to be at least fit enough for such a suboptimal fate. You all did that to my cousin, and biology did that to my best friend. I'm not going to give up that much easily. I'm not going to give in like that. Not without trying. Not without trying, and I'll never give up. If I was going to give up, I would've taken that G19 and imploded the roof of my mouth by now. I'm not the type to give up. Give me all the shit you want, and say what you want. It makes more difference. Whatever you say is not even a fraction as harsh as what I say to myself. It's not going to phase me. Hit me, hit me, I want you to hit me until my face is fucking bruised.
+--- 58000931
+>>58000838
+I think this thread is just a thinly veiled recrootment thread, since the glowies got called out in the generals all the time.
+--- 58000959
+>>58000912
+Shill
+--- 58000970
+>>58000931
+Maybe you should not spend so much time with thinking
+--- 58000971
+>>58000931
+Shrewd senses, fren; you're probably right (and also likely a glowie lol).
+--- 58001001
+>>58000971
+What makes you think so? All you state is an opionon or feeling with acutally zero information
+--- 58001044
+>>57999721
+Not a lot of examples of guys who did it in their 30s. It seems like it would’ve helped if I were 5 years younger, but I’m not sure about now.
+--- 58001067
+>>57999732
+Those people do vote in all non-blue districts. Also, I have a college degree. My plan would be to become an officer.
+--- 58001099
+>>58000970
+>t. Glowie
+Sad
+--- 58001111
+>>58001044
+Nobody cares if "elected" officials have military service or not. Especially today's military.
+--- 58001113
+What a fucking disaster of a thread
+--- 58001138
+>>58001113
+Given how retarded the inital OP was, what were you expecting?
+--- 58001147
+>>57984002 (OP)
+I’m depressed, like risk taking, have a death wish, have given up on science, have a doctorate, clinical lab certification, and lots of experience in infectious diseases 
+
+Talk me out of it
+--- 58001171
+>>58001067
+You are not adding any inherent value to your life or for the community but wasting your time being a plastic. You should be more souvereign than that. Is that too normative, should I rephrase it?
+--- 58001181
+>>58001099
+There is nothing in you, not even a true and justified feeling, plastic
+--- 58001189
+>>58001113
+Lots of stealthy wankers and competitive murricans, I suppose
+--- 58001191
+>>57984002 (OP)
+
+If you go the officer route Navy now is a good bet as the government plans to expand the navy and promotions will likely be easier to get. 
+
+Space force is also interesting as they are also likely to expand in the future. 
+
+Marines is suffering, army is boring, air force has too much demand and is extra woke.
+--- 58001192
+>>58001181
+Why are you talking in 3rd person, glowie?
+--- 58001202
+>>58001147
+Nobody cares what you do. Faggot.
+--- 58001209
+>>58001138
+I took him seriously but now I am even too disappoint to check if he faked this for his creative writing assignment
+--- 58001245
+>>58001192
+Grammar is knowing the difference between one is shit and one's shit, plastic
+--- 58001258
+>>58001209
+>be alcoholic
+>think joining the most alcoholic inducing profession will fix this
+You took this seriously?
+--- 58001263
+>>58001171
+No. I get it.
+--- 58001270
+>>58001245
+Poor glowie is out of rebuttals. Sad.
+--- 58001284
+>>58001147
+There’s nothing to be talked out of really. Professional jobs in the army aren’t all that different from professional jobs outside the Army. I would just ask whether that’s what you really want to join the Army for.
+--- 58001355
+>>58001258
+I thought that he lost his marbles or sense of direction. Also, delinquents often agree join the military to avoid punishment. But his answers were weak, so I had doubts about his honesty or whether I understood the whole picture. With regards to the ongoing Russian war, I probably overreacted
+--- 58001388
+>>58001270
+Trash
+--- 58001393
+>>58001284
+You kill animals nonstop for academic research to make tiny incremental gains. I want out to something more applied. Forensics for law enforcement is also another thing being considered.
+--- 58001441
+>>58001270
+Jump back and forth
+It feels like you were there yourself
+Work it out
+Oooooooooy
+Jeferndidnknownhow
+Jefrridjowyo 
+Itsdae
+--- 58001465
+>>58001393
+Wahh wahh 
+Fuck you animals
+That's how science has always been
+Incremental gains building off the previous information
+That's why science let's man advance so much because it doesn't take a genius to build off what was previous observed
+--- 58001553
+>>58001441
+>>58001465
+Meds. Now.
+--- 58001586
+>>57984002 (OP)
+If you want to stop drinking, the army is a bad idea. My cousin was part of the 82nd AB division during the surge in the GWOT. He saw action in both Iraq and Afghanistan, has the scars to prove it. The only thing is he joined when he was 17. He told me all the soldiers drank on their time off, and he felt bad because he wasnt legal drinking age. To me, it sounded like if they weren't shooting, they were drinking. That's the opposite what you want. Maybe join a trades program or medical speciality.
+--- 58001587
+>>58001001
+*PRECISELY!*
+--- 58001740
+>>58000412
+>I hate you boomers so much you destroyed this nation and outsourced all jobs, instead of acknowledging that millennial and zoomers have it bad you keep deflecting and won’t even acknowledge that it is bad for us
+Millennials have it worse and zoomers have it even worse than that. But most of them have doubled down on the boomer errors that caused this situation. They're more likely to support open borders and sexual perversions, and even less likely to support the white race than boomers. For every Groyper you have 5 AOC cheerleaders. The task for us is going to be surviving the coming insanity once the boomers die off
+--- 58001818
+>>57984056
+Yes lol now you’ll be doing that and legally forced to do military bullshit. Also bro you realize half of the mfs in the military are alcoholics, there’s a huge culture around getting wasted. Just go to rehab man.
+--- 58002243
+>>58001740
+I wonder how old the teachers, professors and media personalities that conditioned all that stuff are.
+--- 58002411
+>>57984165
+I'm looking into joining the Coast Guard. I heard it's a pretty good gig. Did your brother share any stories with you about it?
+--- 58002768
+>>57998747
+>Why? I basically wish I had just checked the box when I was younger.
+>>57999425
+
+just do it im 30 and doing it because I wish i did it earlier
+--- 58002824
+>>58002768
+>doing it because I wish i did it earlier
+Worst reason to join. Try reading the thread next time, dumbass.
+--- 58002833
+>>58002824
+>Worst reason to join. Try reading the thread next time, dumbass.
+
+I already have a degree and 50k saved up, figured I would do a quick 4 years and get another adventure in
+--- 58002864
+>>58002833
+>figured I would do a quick 4 years and get another adventure in
+Dumbass
+--- 58002881
+>>58002864
+cope, going for a nice adventure lad!
+--- 58002903
+>>58002881
+You sure are buddy! Yes you are!
+--- 58002921
+>>58002903
+yes I am... a nice office job in the military, perhaps I will be stationed in Idaho, I would like that
+--- 58002959
+>>58002921
+>adventure
+>office job
+(You) had me going.
+--- 58003000
+>>57984002 (OP)
+OP, no. Just get a civilian job. You'll earn more and have a lot more time off.
+
+I joined the British army when I was younger, an I regret it now - it was years I could have spent doing literally anything else for more life progress. So, you have a drinking problem. But you're not retarded. Why would you give your life to the army? You have to be retarded for this to be better than civilian life.
+--- 58003217
+>>58003000
+How do promotions work in the British military? It seems like you spend your entire career in one rank - and that if you want to be an NCO, it takes 25 years

k/57984212.txt

@@ -180,13 +180,6 @@ Holy shit, great find. These were taken during the middle of the siege then.
 --- 57985837
 >>57985643
 These images are from may last year. And I'm only posting this because of the hot thick chick you posted.
---- 57985846
->>57985321
-nta, but this entire war and the non-escalationists in Washington will be judged extremely poorly in the future. they think they can save their reputation by sending aid after the war started but what's the point if the war has completely destroyed Ukraine?
-
-also i honestly don't think American foreign policy will recover from this war either. everyone knows the U.S. has the equipment and means to let Ukraine completely defeat Russia on the battlefield, and there is no other explanation as to why they do not provide it besides them being weak, risk adverse and terrified of the consequences of making hard decisions.
-
-i guarantee that this is going to be the new norm. when China lands troops in Taiwan the U.S. will not lift a finger to actually defend it.
 --- 57985859
 >>57985643
 old pictures. Severodonetsk is intact.
@@ -582,3 +575,416 @@ But I'm talking about something completely different.
 Remember the Azov kino from Mariupol? The video where two tanks get ambushed and there is a flying vatnik from offscreen to the right? This is the place.
 --- 57991256
 >>57985643
+--- 57991755
+Tank looted
+--- 57991773
+>>57991208
+--- 57991798
+Burnt out Commieblocks near western city limits, Mariupol
+47.106, 37.514
+--- 57991837
+Mariupol hospital evacuation.
+Bottom right corner is what's left of the pharmacy.
+47.1111, 37.5131
+--- 57991852
+They will pay for what they've done to this country
+--- 57991903
+>>57991837
+insane
+--- 57991926
+Civilian vehicles abandoned on Yablunska St. in Bucha, alongside several bombed out houses and what looks like tracks running through back yards.
+Looks like this was taken shortly after the Russians withdrew from the area.
+50.541, 30.228
+--- 57991931
+>>57991926
+>Forgot pic
+I'm retarded
+--- 57991935
+>>57989171
+They're already in the wrong hands and Russia allegedly already lost 84 suitcase nukes.
+--- 57991954
+>>57985643
+The average vatnigger can't read, as far as they're concerned it said 'bomb here'.
+--- 57991968
+Outskirts of Mariupol are a mass grave man
+2 Tanks + another burned out vehicle in the top left
+--- 57991991
+Downed helicopter in Antonov International Airport, Hostomel.
+To the right are a series of trenches, and the burning remains of whatever vehicles were left in the parking lot.
+It appears that a civilian plane is trying to take off.
+If you look further up to the north along the tarmac, you'll find another downed heli.
+50.5904, 30.2078
+--- 57992004
+>>57991991
+>Forgot pic again
+I'm going to bed
+--- 57992153
+Anyone know where that one timelapse photo with the corpse next to the BTR was taken?
+--- 57992529
+>>57985094
+Over 600 civilians seeked shelter there, thinking it was a safe haven. Today its their tomb. 
+https://youtu.be/KeDhEtt9rtE [Embed]
+https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/08/31/7365502/
+--- 57992600
+Mariupol mass graves with cords at the bottom 
+
+1
+--- 57992609
+>>57992600
+2
+--- 57992619
+>>57992609
+3
+--- 57992696
+I was opening those images and it went from:
+>>57992600
+That's pretty bad.
+>>57992609
+OK that's A LOT of graves.
+>>57992619
+Fucking necropolis!
+--- 57992787
+>>57989171
+Never undestood that reasoning. Russian federal government is criminal, terrorist organization by any metric so it's not like these nukes are in the right hands. Also Russians kept losing (or "losing") their nukes in early 90s and general Lebed once admited that they lost more than 100 of them.
+
+Literally nothing bad would come out from balkanization of Russia. At least nothing worse than current situation.
+--- 57992807
+>>57985950
+I would not be surprised if that were a thing
+--- 57992857
+>>57992696
+Its way bigger, open google earth and see for yourself heres the cords 47 08 13 n 37 28 49 e
+--- 57992897
+>>57992600
+>>57992609
+>>57992619
+Ruski mir in action
+--- 57992961
+>>57992857
+The light earth ones are the new graves, if i were to guess below the white line near the forest clearing are old graves before the war, you can see on Google Earth that the further to the right of the image the lighter the ground which means they are new.
+--- 57992986
+>>57988347
+They barely have money for themselves, if left to russia these land will become depopulated
+--- 57993051
+I wonder how Bakhmut will look after the battle is over. It would be cool if they allowed tourists to visit not long after the place is liberated
+--- 57993078
+>>57991755
+>a historical landmark tank is going to be pushed into service
+lol
+--- 57993109
+>>57991991
+what are these formations? berms made by bulldozers?
+--- 57993130
+>>57993051
+>what are landmines
+--- 57993149
+>>57992857
+>>57992600
+hasn't actually grown that much from the year before, and it seems the imagery is from march 2022
+--- 57993161
+>>57992857
+its pre-war. the fact the southern area doesn't have roads marked on the map makes me think that part might be newer though.
+--- 57993187
+>>57993130
+A land mine, or landmine, is an explosive device concealed under or camouflaged on the ground, and designed to destroy or disable enemy targets, ranging from combatants to vehicles and tanks, as they pass over or near it.
+--- 57993221
+>>57984212 (OP)
+it's not march 2023, it's march 2022 data. 10 days after the theatre was bombed.
+--- 57993231
+>>57993051
+would be cool to visit the country once the war is over but fuck getting blown up by landmines/uxo
+--- 57993245
+>>57987760
+There's a tragic christmas video I saw a few months back of Mariupol having a christmas concert there... knowing that every one in that video is dead is something spooky.
+--- 57993747
+not enough pixels to see the chernobyl
+trenches :(
+--- 57994539
+>>57985643
+>file deleted
+Why did they delete the image?
+--- 57994559
+>>57987587
+I'll personally conduct a special military operation if they don't.
+--- 57994575
+>>57984212 (OP)
+Wait, Azov was a hotel this entire time?
+--- 57994663
+>>57991991
+Anybody have Chornobaivka? We must capture the time anomaly
+--- 57994767
+>>57986680
+>>muh nukes
+>>muh counterweight to China/Europe
+>>muh balance of power…!
+>>muh realpolitik…!
+
+Why are these not things to worry about? The US is, for all its power, not God and as almost all its recent military history shoes, events frequently run away from its grasp. It cannot just press the force button and will Justice or whatever into being.
+
+The war is a disaster for Ukraine, but any escalation of it would be a disaster for the whole world. If anything right now the US has been too aggressive – continuing the war to use it as a strategic meat grinder instead of compelling a settlement.
+--- 57994811
+>>57994767
+Also there probably wouldn't have even been a war without the US/NATO insisting on continuing an adversarial posture towards Russia – not at all to justify the invasion, but US/NATO policies just fed Putin's brain worms.
+--- 57994932
+>>57994663
+Think the photos there might still be out of date, still shows helos sitting at the airport and no serious damage to the airport/areas where the helicopters had been stationed.
+>X,Y: 46.6803, 32.5010
+--- 57994989
+>>57985643
+>store weapons and ammo and gear in a building
+>write "DO NOT BLOW UP, KIDS ARE HERE!!!" when there are no kids
+>building gets blown up because there are weapons there and no kids
+>noooooooo ivan how could you kill those six million children!!
+--- 57994992
+>>57993221
+What key events had happened at that point again?
+Might make tracking down interesting spots a bit easier.
+--- 57995071
+>>57994811
+The invasion was gonna turn into a shitshow regardless. Ukraine held on its own for weeks before western support started arriving. The population proved they had the will and mettel to resist and absolutely zero intention of letting Russia walk over them. They probably would have lost eventually, but Russia would be dealing with insurgencies out the ass for years. They'd never be able to establish control.
+--- 57995104
+ziggers deserve having 10x or 20x of this degree of destruction imposed back on them
+I am a moderate
+--- 57995164
+>>57994992
+this was the rough situation then, so the front lines were mostly on the outskirts of the city except for that one incursion to the west.
+--- 57995223
+>>57995164
+Guess Mariupol would be the best place to look then, other than spots like Hostomel that still seem to have some residual damage, it seems mostly clear elsewhere.
+--- 57995259
+>>57985846
+Although the US could give more to Ukraine, what they have provided has turned russia from a regional power with aspirations of being a superpower to a second rate regional power whose economy and military will not recover from this for decades. Tbh I don’t see China taking the bet that the US won’t do at least as much to them for a nation that is actually vitally important to the US, and has actual defensive agreements with it. Like, your argument doesn’t make sense, your saying that China will see that Russia wasn’t instantly annihilated, instead just crippled for generations and think “I see what’s happened and I want that too”?
+--- 57995337
+East highway into Mariupol, The fields around the city seemed generally covered in trenches but here it's most notable.
+Also looks like there's the use of civilian vehicles as makeshift roadblocks.
+>47.1307, 37.6846
+Can see shell craters all over the place, seems shell dispersion is fucking insane in the area, with rounds landing from (47.1337, 37.7027) to (47.1357, 37.6617) on average, making a general dispersion of about 3.1KM mostly landing in open fields, implying either poor spotting, dubious accuracy on their guns or just a general haphazard application of fire.
+--- 57995363
+>>57995337
+For reference, here's the whole range, with the third point being where the first image was taken.
+--- 57995402
+>>57993109
+I'm not sure, but you can see them anywhere there's entrenchments in east Ukraine too.
+Perhaps it's just basic earthworks to make hitting vehicles a bit harder?
+--- 57995421
+>>57986153
+Whatever it was, I think they missed, doesn't look like there's anything there other than shell holes.
+--- 57995460
+Large makeshift roadblock in Mariupol
+47.1065, 37.6512
+--- 57995478
+>>57995337
+This trenches are from 2014 year
+--- 57995513
+https://www.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=10df2279f9684e4a9f6a7f08febac2a9
+if anyone is interested in looking at newer data take a look at this
+--- 57995529
+I don't know, Google, if looks are anything to go by, this mall probably isn't open today
+--- 57995546
+>>57995513
+>Updated Apr 13, 2023
+Well, looks like the wrecks at Hostomel are still there.
+--- 57995565
+My city is not updated
+--- 57995577
+>>57995546
+click on the map and it gives you an outline of the sat image and the date it was taken. so hostomel was late march or something ofc the russians couldn't be bothered to clean it up
+--- 57995599
+>>57995577
+It's certainly more up to date than google right now, here's the spot from >>57995337 as of Jul. 30, 2022.
+--- 57995638
+dont care, come back when you have google street view
+--- 57995646
+>>57995638
+How much do you think Google would be willing to pay to have someone drive around doing that right now?
+--- 57995710
+>>57995646
+ukranian minimum wage
+--- 57995739
+>>57995071
+I don't disagree, but that wasn't my point there – my point is that NATO sustaining enmity with Russia for decades past the collapse of the USSR instead of building a cooperative relationship with Russia created the conditions for Putin to go off his mind and do this ridiculous war
+--- 57996519
+>>57984286
+It's probably because of the name of the sea nearby.
+https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Azov
+--- 57996530
+>>57995739
+I don't think that building a truly cooperative relationship with Russia was ever really an option, at least in its current form. Ukraine isn't a NATO member and was explicitly denied membership the last time it applied because of ongoing border disputes with Russia itself. They had the buffer state they wanted, alongside a healthy business selling gas to Europe despite lots of people voicing concerns about dealing with Russia.
+
+Sounds to me like they were in a great spot to build inroads with their neighboring countries and start making partnerships if they were so inclined. NATO is a military treaty, it doesn't dictate the trade or politics of its members, and there's been plenty of grumbling over the past few years that it's not worth the cost.
+
+All Russia had to do to "beat" NATO was keep its head down and make some actual friends. There was nothing stopping them from buddying up to Germany and using that to forge closer ties with Europe. They just decided that they'd rather try to paint the map instead, and now they're suffering the consequences.
+--- 57996850
+>>57988812
+Pretty much all exUSSR states have functional democratic politics. I guess they have many internal issues but still they are functional.
+--- 57996960
+>>57996850
+Unless you're one of the Stans. Turkmenistan especially is... Very interesting. It's basically stealth North Korea.
+--- 57997033
+>>57988742
+Yes.
+Let them.
+
+>>57989171
+They're already very much in wrong hands.
+--- 57997088
+>>57996960
+Ok, then there are 5 Stans + Belarus + Russia = 7 out of 15 states. ~50%. Not that bad.
+--- 57997102
+>>57997033
+Think about ISIS having nukes.
+--- 57997174
+>>57997102
+From a terrorist state to a terrorist quasi-state.
+That's an improvement.
+Even less chance of them being successfully used.
+--- 57997217
+>>57996530
+NATO expanded to the east against Russian requests and interests, which can't be read as anything but a backfiring attempt (because it got us here) to check Russian power... otherwise why does NATO still exist at all? Despite that, up to the early 2000s, Putin, Yeltsin, and Gorbachev all discussed Russia joining NATO and were waved off.
+
+Ukraine hasn't been accepted but it (and Georgia) were publicly promised eventual membership in 2008. 
+
+Again, this isn't to say to invasion was rational or justified – it is obviously an absolutely ridiculous disaster for everyone involved. But NATO running on irrational inertia and refusing to exit the antagonistic dynamic it was created for, and continually poking the monkey as it got more and more brainwormed... no wonder we got here.
+--- 57997251
+>>57997217
+How did Nato expand anyways? Did any of the former warsaw pact countries at least try to stop Nato from invading?
+--- 57997376
+>>57997251
+They applied to join, and were accepted.
+
+If you're trying to make some argument about national self-determination and independence or whatever – lol cute but no one, least of all the lead NATO powers, actually plays by those rules. Even if you were going to do that, nothing obligated NATO to accept them and doing so was clearly a mistake.
+
+Since the collapse of the USSR NATO has just been waving a rifle at a loser with a knife and expecting him to be happy about it. It's no surprise that said loser decided to start stabbing someone trying to hang with the rifleman. Everyone fucked up here.
+--- 57997481
+>>57997376
+>Crazy unpredictable retard with knife is standing nearby and may or may not stab you. 
+>If you dare seek assurances of safety from the rifleman, then you may get stabbed even faster
+Huh. Makes sense I guess
+--- 57997500
+>>57997376
+"Everyone is equally at fault"
+--- 57997595
+I'm starting to think pro-vatnik shitposters and flat earthers are the same people.
+--- 57997600
+>>57985278
+you are not nato member, ukranian anon. so keep calm down and defend the trenches. :))))
+--- 57997683
+>>57997376
+>Hypocrisy of grey: the post
+I start to think we shouldn't provoke the burglars with all that fancy walls and doors.
+--- 57997739
+>>57997376
+>waving a rifle at a loser with a knife
+>loser goes mad at the rifleman and stabs other people
+
+Looks like a knife user was an insane animal and rifleman was right about holding him on trigger. Actually, he should have shot the loser down 10 minutes ago.
+--- 57997765
+>>57995739
+>muh HATO bullying poor pocciya sob story
+empires need to know they have fallen. america fucked around with muh appeasement too much, they were full on cucks up until now. eastern europe pretty much had to whine, screech, cheat and bribe to join NATO to avoid the "transnistria" scenario that was already brewing when puccias empire disintegrated
+ HATO as a talking point stopped mattering in 2014 when Rußia created a frozen conflict out of their own incompetence, muh defensive borders literally dont matter in the era of NOOKS. its purely puccia's self illusion about being the great triune rus nation
+--- 57997983
+>>57995739
+There was NO REASON to have cooperation with Russia as they didn't stop with being a threat, they were still putting their fingers in a lot of pies in Eastern and Central Europe during the 1990s. They did what they did in 2014 to several different countries around them in the 1990s already. They even had a influence over Serbia's actions in the Balkans. Think for a second without acting like whole planet revolves around the US/NATO's intentions.
+--- 57998232
+>>57996850
+>>57997088
+I don't think you could call Ukraine a functional liberal democracy even after 2014, the corruption and Donbass war alone would likely not let it. Or Moldavia and Armenia for that matter.
+--- 57998522
+>>57996450
+zoom in and enhance
+--- 57998532
+>>57997765
+this kid is dead now
+--- 57998549
+>>57984212 (OP)
+Ukraine... what a shithole.
+--- 57998751
+>>57998532
+>Sic Semper Donetsk Liberi
+--- 57998908
+>>57984273
+RIP in Peace
+--- 57999004
+>>57997481
+I don't really fault Ukraine here, they miscalculated but they were just kind of in a shit position no matter what. I fault the US/rifleman for thinking threatening crazy unpredictable retards is how you deal with them, instead of focusing on deescalating them. Anyone who doesn't realize that is either a cop or has never dealt with crazy unpredictable retards.
+
+>>57997739
+>Actually, he should have shot the loser down 10 minutes ago.
+
+Oh, left out of the story – knife user *also* has a suicide vest. Kinda complicates things right?
+
+>>57997983
+Yeah, so? Russia having their fingers in European pies is better than this mess. Hegemony shouldn't exist, but as long as the US is hellbent on keeping it, it needs to realize cooperatively sharing it is way better for everyone than insisting on maintaining sole hyperpower dominance at any cost.
+
+>>57997683
+>>Hypocrisy of grey: the post
+what does this even mean?
+
+>>57997500
+Obviously proximally and morally Russia is at fault, but there is zero way to argue other actors didn't strategically fuck up for it to get to this point. Even the "US/NATO should've been more aggressive" people get that, they're just neglecting that there is kind of a hard compatibility-of-life-on-Earth limit to how hard that can go.
+--- 57999058
+>>57999004
+Thing is... USA wanted all of this. They wanted European countries to finally rise their quota of military expenses, they wanted to weaken Russia as much as possible and they wanted to sell their weapons. They didn't deescalate shit because this mess it's exactly the best scenario for someone like Biden... Untill eventually shit hits the fan. We are all betting it doesn't.
+--- 57999147
+>>57999058
+Correct, and that is horrible, reckless, and a disaster for all the other parties... if we're lucky and it doesn't wind up being a disaster for the whole world.
+
+The US needs to either stop existing, or learn to manage the world with prudence and collaboratively and not much competitively with other super and great powers. Those are the only two options, question is how we get there.
+--- 57999160
+>>57984212 (OP)
+Cars are moving across the bridges in the Kherson region, I don't think this is 2023
+--- 57999183
+>>57999058
+I'm eager to see your negotiation techniques while I smack you across the tits
+--- 58001504
+>>57994989
+there's a video above of the theatre serving as a home to hundreds of civilians m8
+--- 58002052
+>>57994989
+So if Russia took Mariupol and they have access to the theater why did they never release footage of all of the wrecked Ukrainian military equipment under the rubble and instead decided to quietly finish demolitioning it?
+
+It would've been a great propaganda piece to reveal Ukraine hid weapons there, no?
+And if the Theather was filled with military equipment why didn't it blow sky-high when it was bombed?
+--- 58002111
+>>57992529
+sucks to suck, I guess.
+--- 58002723
+>>57992600
+>>57992609
+>>57992619
+Fucking hell, that puts things into perspective.
+--- 58002994
+>>57984212 (OP)
+
+well , at least they don't speak russian
+--- 58003153
+>>57988742
+Russians killing russians? Splendid.
+--- 58003223
+>>57999183
+Or you might just do the needful and kill yourself
+--- 58003259
+>>58002994
+Robbed blind by corrupt government, betrayed by the west, invaded by mongol horde. They never stood the chance. Next time there wont be nigger buffer zone and EU will have to fight.
+--- 58003381
+>>58002052
+The Russians probably did kill hundreds of civilians, but the lack of bodies is much stronger evidence than there not being an extra big kaboom. There are other important types of hardware than munitions.
+>For real though, Russia always hides the bodies if given the chance. After shooting down a Korean airliner over shallow water in 1982 the Soviet military dragged the wreckage out to the deep ocean and told the families of the deceased that crabs ate all the bodies.
+--- 58003691
+>>58003381
+>There are other important types of hardware than munitions.
+It's a theater, not a warehouse. It's not like you can fit tanks inside of it.
+--- 58003913
+>>57988742
+Russia being busy with itself is excellent news for (Eastern) Europe and Central Asia but a complete collapse of the state would be the touch too much, unless friendly forces can be installed and kept in power there. Someone must fill the vacuum and by nature of gravity and proximity, the most likely candidate would be China. Highly sub-optimal outcome, desu
+--- 58004060
+>>57988347
+IMHO they only built enough to seal mass graves and crime evidence under concrete and asphalt.
+--- 58004276
+>>57988742
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHhOFRCGLvA [Embed]
+The whole debate is good but it really crystallizes in the last 5 minutes, and it includes your point about total collapse.
+--- 58004376
+>>58002994
+Not gonna happen, nobody will immigrate there in mass.

k/57984344.txt

@@ -299,3 +299,119 @@ https://youtu.be/jrUT_X0Yk5Y [Embed]
 How soon? The Germans surrender in May, the Japs were bombed in August. Germany was well on its way to surrender and already did so when the japs were glasses but there was still preparation for an invasion upon Japan.
 --- 57991393
 reddit thread
+--- 57991601
+>>57991393
+--- 57992231
+>>57986949
+There were concerns that the LHC experiments would give birth to a black hole engulfing the Earth.
+--- 57992423
+>>57985613
+>I thought we were building a rice cooker...
+>Well, you're TECHNICALLY right.
+I lost
+--- 57994742
+Cheeki…breeki?
+--- 57994839
+The brownies had... le cum?
+--- 57995657
+>>57987051
+They deserved one too tho
+--- 57995733
+>>57987224
+Jews are only white when it benefits them.
+--- 57995822
+>>57987224
+Juden aren't white, just accuse them of responsibility for any perceived wrong doing of white people and they will correct you on that little mistake
+--- 57996273
+>I am...in charge here?
+--- 57996329
+>>57996273
+>First one to talk... gets stay on my aircraft?
+--- 57996471
+>>57988563
+by whomst?
+--- 57996508
+>>57996273
+>If I take the mask off....It'll hurt?
+--- 57996671
+>>57996273
+>He's wondering... why I would shoot him before throwing him off the plane?
+--- 57996724
+>>57984344 (OP)
+They found her body in... the dumpster?
+--- 57996877
+>>57990729
+They were asian
+--- 57997182
+>>57995822
+They're white when it benefits them, not white when it doesn't.
+--- 57997277
+>>57996273
+>Le plan crash...le no survivors?
+--- 57997354
+I hate this new meme. Of course he knew, the whole point of the "i am become death" speech was that he was left with no choice. Please atleast tell me its retarded zoomers getting the wrong impression and perpetuating it and not the gay ass kike director misunderstanding the topic of his own fucking movie.
+--- 57997962
+>>57997354
+People are mocking his kikey maudlin bullshit.
+--- 57998314
+>>57996471
+Themselves probably. White people will be blamed however.
+--- 57998328
+>>57997354
+everyone is laughing at him because he knew all along what he was building and even joked about dropping it on Germany
+the idea that he suffered from some massive, life altering episode as a result of the weapon he spent years building requires either extreme dishonesty or some sort of mental disorder and disconnection from reality
+--- 57998356
+Folks in the Manhattan Project who got all gung ho about nuking the Nazis but got hung up about the Japanese I think we're tuning out what utter murderous shitbags the Imperial Japanese were.
+--- 57998824
+>>57998356
+Every single country in the Axis got a lot less than they deserved. That goes for the Fr*nch collaborators, too.
+--- 57999046
+>>57987356
+>Lebanese are basically white,
+No.
+--- 57999055
+>>57996724
+I really miss... those kids?
+--- 57999084
+>>57998824
+Yeah but realistically what can you do? You can't execute them all, it's insanity. You can't put them all in jail. Rebuilding your defeated enemies to be more like you and to never fuck with you again is the best you are going to get.
+--- 57999101
+>>57984344 (OP)
+Megaton... Went megaboom?"
+--- 57999114
+>>57997354
+It's not the I am become death that has people ragging on him but more of the hand wringing whininess to Truman. It's also mixed with the memery of Cilian Murphy's character in Peaky Blinders holding a gun to his head, as he's playing Oppenheimer here. The memery being he's going to kill himself because of 20th century racism or something like that.
+
+So extended to Oppenheimer, it's people going pic related to him realizing his bomb won't blow up white germans but rather yellow japanese.
+--- 57999137
+>>57998356
+Jews don't care about morality, they hated nazis and anybody working with them because nazis didn't ignore their actions like others and couldn't be bought off.
+Exhibit A: >>57998824
+--- 57999161
+>>57988563
+Get the fuck off of /k/ you retarded zoomer
+--- 57999199
+>>57985814
+I can understand a little of it. I still think it's stupid to blame the creator of an item instead of the item itself, people did the same shit to Kalashnikof as if some mechanic existing or not would have changed Mtumbu or Ahmad or Jose from killing someone.
+
+I am not able to find proof that Oppenheimer opposed the US having nukes, but I am able to find explicit evidence (from jewishpress.com no less) that he highly and directly advocated at least as late as 1952 if not later for Israel to develop nukes.
+--- 57999623
+>>57986073
+I can't understand how they think flooding this board, and /pol/ and /b/ with jewkraine threads will somehow shift opinion to their side?
+--- 57999660
+>>57999623
+>flooding /b/ and /pol/
+pissing in an ocean of piss
+--- 58002732
+>>57986094
+You truly are a retarded faggot nigger lovin' kike.
+--- 58002778
+>>57987391
+>Arabs are basically just white people but tan so that doesn't change much.
+No arabs are the merchant meme
+--- 58003035
+>>57992231
+No. The concern was strangelet formation that might trigger a chain reaction of decay in ordinary baryonucleonic matter that from a false-plateau stability to closer-to-ground state superstable strange matter. A black hole of the mass that a collision in the LHC can bring to bear, even if magically somehow stable would be so incredibly tiny that it would literally zip straight to the center of the earth and go right through the gaps between atomic nuclei and electron clouds and just sit there doing nothing except statistically eating a single atom every few months. The sun would turn red giant and swallow the planet before that black hole absorbed a sugar-cube-volume of matter.
+--- 58003728
+>>57984344 (OP)
+nuh uh, I kill people SHK SHK, with bombs

k/57984588.txt

@@ -96,13 +96,6 @@ Kissable neck
 pantsir has been shooting them down regularly. https://files.catbox.moe/d602q3.mp4
 --- 57986251
 A little off topic, but I wonder if C-RAM systems for mechanized formations will make indirect fire less useful in future wars.
---- 57986337
->>57986090
-as opposed to
->We spent the most money possible, including printing future money, and lost so bad our entire treaty-organization broke up, because the totality of our economic and military capability was destroyed by a few thousand multiple-felon convicts using shovels!
-
-The best possible outcome would be the mutilation and death of every shill on /k/ 
-luckily, poland is up nextz to defend democracy, so all I gotta do is wait I guess
 --- 57986364
 >>57984588 (OP)
 And
@@ -129,9 +122,6 @@ remember when copelord compared himars to bm-21s
 --- 57987040
 >>57986734
 jewskins still without health care while sharing their cities with million of nogs
---- 57987045
->>57984588 (OP)
-What happens when Zelensky loses?
 --- 57987046
 >>57987025
 I hate that guy too but this is fake news. He compared it to the BM-30 Smerch. Still a horrible comparison but yea. Lets try to be accurate
@@ -146,9 +136,6 @@ You could at least fucking quote me
 --- 57987064
 >>57986337
 NATO is stronger than ever. Where do you come up with this stuff?
---- 57987074
->>57987016
-You're just describing the U.S.
 --- 57987078
 >>57986044
 >Lands in Belgorod
@@ -164,16 +151,9 @@ Lmao this pic
 >>57987074
 no u
 Nice one pajeet
---- 57987140
->>57987083
-And Zelensky is still losing, so what happens now?
 --- 57987168
 >>57987140
 In about a year Russia will have next to no ground capabilities based on their current rates of attrition lmao.
---- 57987251
->>57987133
-I'm not going to tell you how to run your country, only that when you rig your elections, persecute your political opponents under the flimsiest of legs pretenses, and lock away peaceful protestors for pointing any of this out, nobody cares what the U.S. has to say about anything.
-But I guess going after blumpf was worth completely obliterating your international credibility.
 --- 57987390
 >>57987074
 >intentionally targeting civilians because you're seething hard is the same thing as collateral damage from striking terrorists
@@ -181,16 +161,10 @@ South Korea and Ukraine are totalitarian dictatorships? Anon, just accept that y
 --- 57987408
 >>57987053
 they destroyed 3-4 the rest hit, they fucked off because they are empty. I'm not saying that the pantsir makes the himar useless. But it is a counter to it though, as OP asked.
---- 57987430
->>57987390
-It's funny that everything you mentioned are just fraudulently installed globaist regimes.
 --- 57987467
 >>57985864
 So crazy man, really wild.
 Now remind me, how many HIMARs has the Shasneed destroyed?
---- 57987478
->>57987016
-I just support whatever makes hohols buttmad at this point :)
 --- 57987500
 >>57986337
 The Russian lies as easily as it breathes
@@ -286,9 +260,6 @@ Two of the most awful asses I've ever seen. Cleansing the thread.
 --- 57990510
 >>57984588 (OP)
 MONKE! WHERE IS THE WAR YOUR PROMISED US? ATTACK NATO YOU MISERABLE EUNUCH!
---- 57990524
->>57987064
-No it isn't, you're delusional. The unity of 12 months ago has gone.
 --- 57990624
 >>57990524
 I DEMAND RUSSIA ATTACK NOW! YOU ALL MOSCOVITE EFFETES ARE EUNUCHS FOR THE TRIBES OF THE EAST WHO WON'T DARE! DO IT NOW MONGRELS!
@@ -313,3 +284,135 @@ What is a xoxol? Sounds like quetzalqoatl. You reddit fags and your stupid words
 --- 57991227
 >>57987140
 Imagine niggers having 4chan in WW1 and bitching that France is done because sitting in trenches and taking casualties sucks.
+--- 57991481
+>>57989762
+t.
+--- 57991676
+>>57987016
+Best Korea leading the way against climate change
+> go to sleep at night
+--- 57991704
+>>57991481
+>pic
+ngl the dude cleans up decently well. if he lifted and took care of his hair he could have had all the mid latina bitches he wanted
+--- 57991746
+>>57986337
+>The best possible outcome would be the mutilation and death of every shill on /k/
+I agree. The russoids and their army of shitskins and useful idiots should be put down like the subhuman vermin that they are.
+--- 57991751
+>>57985455
+Apparently they can't do it
+--- 57991762
+>>57991704
+ye, the eternal tragedy of chud's wasted potential
+--- 57991928
+>FSBniggers still seething
+
+Glorious
+--- 57991947
+>>57986337
+Schizo living in fantasy land lmao
+--- 57991958
+>>57991928
+jesus what a hit.
+--- 57991967
+>>57991928
+xoxols have aimbot
+--- 57995134
+>>57986251
+
+Each burst consumes a ton of ammo, IDF spam will get through it
+--- 57995191
+>>57987140
+>And Zelensky is still losing
+Source? Because I see how putin is losing.
+--- 57995218
+>>57987045
+>>57987140
+it's hilarious that vatniks and brown piece of shit think this war will continue after the death of daddy Putin... 
+and remember, stress in not good for health.
+--- 57995257
+>>57987045
+I would take a screen of this pic to prove it wrong later, but the most of pro-russian images were wrong or misleading.
+--- 57995262
+>>57990524
+Real quick check-in here: how many countries were in NATO 12 months ago and how many countries are in NATO now?
+--- 57995294
+>>57986337
+>The best possible outcome would be the mutilation and death of every shill on /k/
+Very low dopamine, zister.
+--- 57995376
+>>57987539
+>Ghost of Kyiv protects skies above Kyiv
+>Russians gained no air superiority over Kyiv
+>Russians lost the battle for Kyiv
+
+Apparently ukrainian city legends are more real than russian army.
+--- 57995491
+>>57984588 (OP)
+Why was the Khinzhal thread deleted, but this stays up?
+--- 57995526
+>>57991185
+What looks like the Latin X in cyrillic is pronounced kinda like "ch".
+So "xaxaxa" = "hahaha"
+
+It's a play on "hohols" which is the Russian degradory term for Ukrainians. While "Vatnik" is the degradory term towards Russians.
+--- 57995568
+>>57985376
+Optimally, you have jets in the air already. When they launch, your defensive systems shoot down the rockets and your jets hit afterburners in the direction they came from. Jets reach the launch location within 3-5 minutes and use IR targeting pods to find the vehicle, which can't possibly get far enough away to hide.
+
+Russians don't have good air defense, nor sufficient air support and SEAD. That makes them totally impotent at dealing with MLRS.
+--- 57995647
+>>57995491
+Because this is all they have left anon.
+--- 57995932
+>>57984588 (OP)
+Uragan systems, SMERCH systems
+--- 57995974
+>>57995932
+too old
+--- 57996297
+>>57995568
+Thanks a lot.
+
+t. Shoigu
+--- 57996343
+>>57996297
+>just do all the shit you've been completely incapable of doing this whole time
+Damn, Putin should just pay me for my advice. I'm full of these.
+--- 57997641
+>>57996297
+--- 57997853
+>>57995974
+
+Your lose.
+
+I am getting tired, when are russians gonna get serious, why is that they haven't attacked NATO yet? It's like they don't have the balls or something.
+
+ATTACK NOW YOU FUCKING BITCHES! WW3 NOW!
+--- 57997939
+>>57995568
+>Russian jets
+>Targeting pods
+Anon......I......
+--- 57998398
+>>57997939
+How is the SU-34's targeting capability, actually? I'm cautiously optimistic that it's better than a laser pointer aimed from inside the cockpit.
+--- 57998757
+>>57987539
+>The Ghost of Kyiv still causes seething in the minds of the shit skins.
+He didn't exist and russia still couldn't take Kyiv. I'm going to start tallying all of the russian jets crashing on takeoff as another Ghost of Kyiv kill.
+--- 57998800
+>>57997853
+If WWIII kicks off, I'm killing all the leftytroons in my country.
+--- 57998811
+>>57987046
+clear evidence he got what he deserved
+--- 57998902
+>>57988364
+They're really only good for leveling cities and towns, and in that regard they've been used to pretty good effect. I'm sure they suffer from the ammo supply issues even worse than their conventional arty though. Probably quite vulnerable to counter-battery fire as well.
+--- 58001953
+>>57986044
+Considering Russia can only make 1 a month, I don't think they'll ever make an impact.
+--- 58004365
+Just hide the stocks of fuel, shells, and food so the HIMAR has nothing worth to bomb

k/57984633.txt

@@ -326,3 +326,338 @@ About how many generations does it take for the adverse effects of inbreeding to
 --- 57991423
 >>57990687
 I've busted so many nuts to this image series
+--- 57992162
+>>57984844
+
+So when are you headed to the frontline? You are going to volunteer so you can do yourself what you tell others to do and pay with your life for the privilege, right? Right, anon?
+--- 57992541
+>>57984938
+I have met super blonde Italians. They do exist.
+t. Med looking Dane
+--- 57994321
+>>57992162
+never
+gonna keep watching my tax dollars kill Russians from my comfy couch
+--- 57994447
+>>57992541
+What about Blonde Japanese Italians? It's important since I'd like to marry one.
+--- 57994470
+>>57994337
+
+All that time to do the artwork and the artist couldn't do the damn swastika right. Who was he afraid of pissing off? The commies?
+--- 57994479
+>>57994470
+He's just a pussy since he wants to maintain a larger audience after the war is over I guess. Very cowardly of him to not include the titty swastika.
+--- 57994528
+>>57994465
+>the casio calculator watch
+heh
+--- 57994572
+>>57990687
+no way fag
+--- 57995188
+>>57984735
+No one knows how women think, not even women, you just have to get a feel for it. Once you get a feeling you'll realize that until your ready there is no reason to waste your time on them.
+--- 57995230
+>>57992162
+When are you joining Fagner?
+--- 57995950
+AMAZON POSITION
+--- 57996264
+>>57995950
+Is it rape if you want it but pretend that you don't and actively fight back because struggling makes it hotter?
+--- 57996610
+>>57995950
+Grotesque body
+--- 57996721
+>>57984823
+A lot of people criticized it for being "yuribait" and for the weird magical guns that aren't actually guns, but Chisato is so cute that she can carry the show by herself
+--- 57997912
+>>57989175
+Don’t think so. I think artists are just extra depressed this time of the year
+--- 57997934
+>>57990289
+The funniest part is I can’t think of a single dead character in GFL that is actually dead. AR15 died but not really. M16 died but not really. RO635 died but not really. Angie died but not really
+--- 57998013
+>ROOAAR I HATE CARRIER SCHOOLS THEYRE EVEN DUMBER THAN CARBON FIBER TANKS
+--- 57998038
+>>57998013
+I want to die on the population 27810 ship.
+--- 57998108
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gnZhEqcUE4 [Embed]
+:DDD
+--- 57998293
+>>57988378
+Suisei no Gargantia is cottagecore
+but in Waterworld.
+--- 57998335
+>>57997934
+UMP-40, and no 45s schizo internal recreation does not count
+--- 57998679
+>>57990060
+As much as the plot needs her to
+--- 57998744
+>>57990436
+I'm sorry anon...
+--- 57998839
+>>57984633 (OP)
+>>57988924
+>>57994447
+more feet posts pls
+--- 57998868
+>>57995950
+I love women in suits
+--- 57998970
+Is the RE4 remake any good? Only other Resident Evil game I've played is the remake of 1 but everyone seems to consider RE4 one of the best games ever made
+--- 57998995
+>>57998970
+If you liked the RE1 remake, you’ll like the RE4 remake. If you liked the original RE4 and aren’t autistic, you’ll apprecoate the RE4 remake. 
+If you are autistic and liked the original RE4, you’ll just find things to bitch about.
+--- 57999029
+>>57985242
+Not even. It's got no real analogues.
+--- 57999060
+>>57999029
+Literally a civilian 5.56 Saiga with sporter handguard?
+--- 57999090
+>>57999060
+Maybe if it were a Saiga 12 with that rear and front sight but it's not
+--- 57999135
+>>57999090
+Or SR1 but without magwell and with proper sights.
+--- 57999229
+>>57998995
+Yeah, saw a few comparison videos and it seems like both versions do some things better and some things worse, remake Ashley though seems like a 100% upgrade to OG Ashley
+--- 57999327
+>>57998293
+oh shit I watched this years ago on netflix or something
+I remember thinking "damn this setting is cool but this robot looks gay as hell"
+--- 57999440
+Is it really so much to ask to want a 6'4" blond blue eyed musclebound big tittied American god queen?
+I think that's a pretty reasonable set of standards to have for a girl
+--- 57999707
+>>57999499
+This show is so bad and yet so good. Pure junk food.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMBRGPOJ4lU [Embed]
+--- 57999758
+>>57999499
+>>57999707
+>someone actually watched this
+It really didn't grab my attention.
+--- 57999848
+thoughts on the fire witch?
+--- 58000033
+Dumb bitch can't even eat spaghetti
+--- 58000053
+Kei can have burg though
+--- 58000088
+>>58000053
+>burg
+Gotta eat big to get big
+--- 58000377
+>>57990687
+>>57991423
+I dunno why but the idea of knocking up your aunt makes me harder than diamonds
+--- 58000399
+>>58000377
+>30-year old, unmarried, sexually frustrated aunt
+Right in my strike zone
+--- 58000458
+>>57999440
+They're an extinct species now anon. Nothing but squat 56% goblinas anymore.
+--- 58000466
+>>58000458
+I believe there is a place where they can still be found
+--- 58000505
+>>58000466
+>Minneapolis
+who wants to tell him
+--- 58000513
+>>58000466
+>Scandi ancestry but raised in traditional America
+I'm sickened but curious
+--- 58000535
+>>58000399
+Is it even possible for a woman to reach her 30th birthday and still be a virgin?
+--- 58000604
+>>58000505
+yeah but OUTSIDE Minneapolis and Fargo it's nothing but red
+--- 58000619
+>>57984823
+I was skipping ahead from ep1. 
+Also it's heavily promoted by kadokawa shills but the very next yuribait girls band show completely mogs all the attention. 
+
+Let's just say we are still waiting for the next big k autism show, and its not this.
+--- 58000622
+>>58000604
+>>58000466
+and yes I know about the bulb head problem in Minneapolis 
+but they don't leave that shithole from what I understand
+--- 58000641
+>>58000535
+Femcels exist but uh you have to be like pippa growing mold in her room and using horse strength bugspray as deodorant autistic for it to happen
+--- 58000646
+Getting into trouble with drunk Finnish onee-sans!
+--- 58000650
+>>58000513
+Scandis are the happiest people in Europe and the happiest people in America
+--- 58000656
+>>58000619
+Why are you head canoning a Bocchi Lyco rivalry lol
+--- 58000673
+>>58000650
+Need Scandi tradwife who will happily bear me a litter of children
+--- 58000705
+>>58000641
+True, any woman who managed to achieve wizard (witch?) status irl would probably be the kind who would actually have to resort to begging her own nephew to fuck her.
+--- 58000733
+>>58000377
+>>58000399
+I prefer a disillusioned, sexually frustrated Christmas cake teacher who is forced to part-time as a adult service maid
+--- 58000747
+>>58000733
+Christmas cake sensei who seduces me with feet and choco
+--- 58000787
+>>58000747
+Elaborate pls
+--- 58000823
+>>57999440
+My American wife
+--- 58000847
+>>58000673
+that's kind of the energy they have goin on up there
+--- 58000851
+>>58000787
+ Look up the anime/manga "The Garden Of Worlds"
+--- 58000855
+>>58000535
+Not with simp culture being forced the way it is, honestly the idea of a foid going more than 24 hours with tinder dick is laughable. A guy in Toronto proved there are enough desperate betas to chase any femoid.
+>search for the "Donalda" story if you don't believe me
+--- 58000856
+>>58000787
+Makoto Shinkai's movie "The Garden of Words" involves a cake sensei who seduces a student with her feet, beer, and choco.
+It's wholesome.
+--- 58000875
+>>58000851
+Thanks fren
+--- 58000878
+>>58000823
+That's a Russian boy
+--- 58000880
+>>58000855
+Donalda doesn't turn up anything but a bunch of random places
+--- 58000886
+>>58000856
+But do they fugg?
+--- 58000897
+>>58000878
+Time to breed some Russian boys, then.
+--- 58000946
+>>58000856
+Well shit gotta watch this now
+--- 58000973
+>>58000946
+Sadly the toes are often drawn kinda weird as is the case with anime
+--- 58000989
+>>57987055
+cool fact anon, thanks for sharing.
+--- 58001093
+>>58000897
+You can't breed a boy anon!
+--- 58001105
+>>58001093
+He technically can if he's a woman
+--- 58001119
+>>57992162
+I can't wait for all your russnigger shills to get finally sent to the frontline so we can laugh at your body get blown to bits by a drone
+--- 58001134
+>>58001105
+>cakes gently domming slender Russian femboys....
+--- 58001378
+>Miho's mom is a MILF
+>next to no fanart of her because GUP fans are all pedos
+
+it's a cruel and unfair world
+--- 58001412
+>>58001378
+>actually moralfagging about muh pedos in a show about JKs
+--- 58001570
+https://youtu.be/MxEAc-ymdCQ [Embed]
+--- 58001589
+>>58001378
+She has plenty of fanart what are you taking about retard?
+--- 58001601
+>>58001378
+The guppie franchise is one of the most milf friendly tho
+--- 58001622
+>>58001378
+>next to no fan art 
+Compared to who? For a barely on screen anime mom she has plenty of fan art and full doujin.
+--- 58001659
+>>58000458
+If you spent less time on /pol/ and more time outside you'd know that's a load of horseshit.
+--- 58001698
+>>58001589
+God I wanna drink milk out of her saggy old mom tits and show her that her libido didn't slow down with age, it just got temporarily paused.
+--- 58001729
+>>58001601
+Maho calls Chiyo "mommy" too
+--- 58001935
+>>58001729
+>
+>>58001698
+>>58001622
+>>58001601
+>>58001589
+you fools, you utter baffoons, you absolute morons, you played right into my hands and now the MILF art is mine
+--- 58001988
+>>58001698
+>that one onsen egg pic with shiho's floppy tits out while sucks dick 
+I swear it must be referenced from some real milf porn the way he drew the tits is just too real
+--- 58002004
+>>58001935
+And I saw through your deception which is why I only posted art of Shiho as a high schooler.
+--- 58002055
+>>58001935
+You can keep your MILF art, then. I'll happily keep my younger guppie wife and make her into a mother.
+--- 58002067
+>>58002055
+Imagine the pregnant sex
+--- 58002114
+>>58001935
+Well have some more
+--- 58002153
+>>58002067
+God that face is hot. Maho likes the fact you're a pervert that has her put on her old senshado uniform while she's pregnant.
+--- 58002173
+>>58001988
+Don't forget her wide waistline, very clear some good references went into that pic
+--- 58002228
+>>58002173
+Good to know Tsueno still gets freaky with his old lady
+--- 58002304
+>>58002228
+The woman is an absolute goddess, if he doesn't someone else will, and she doesn't have any sons who can pick up the slack and not have it count as cheating (because it's not cheating if it's your biological son, he's already been in your pussy)
+--- 58002355
+>>58002304
+Shiho loves her husband's muscular ass
+--- 58002613
+>I can close early today.
+--- 58002746
+>>57984735
+>>57984774
+>>57988843
+>>57988886
+>>57995188
+Ok guys I'm good now, considering the fact that said woman is friends with me and also I've found another woman AND the previous woman is gonna help me with the next woman. I am back on my feet and ready to strike.
+I will not stop until I find a wife.
+--- 58002796
+>>57984938
+Well she's an android so...
+--- 58002811
+>>57995188
+I don't even know how I think most of the time, I'm fully convinced most humans just have their own weird individual schizo logic and we invented laws and societies for the sole purpose of trying to keep everyone on a compromise leash so we don't end up all murdering each other.
+--- 58002840
+>>57984819
+That pig is most likely dead, chopped into bacon and grease.
+You can see it having fun blowing its little bubbles in its little trough, then feeling embarrassed and self-conscious after it realizes it's being watched.

k/57984883.txt

@@ -93,14 +93,6 @@ russians could just not invade and remain in their rathole country.
 --- 57985329
 >>57985176
 Did they forget to teach you how to capitalize? Fucking wild.
---- 57985385
->>57985148
->I hate board policing newfags so fucking much
-kill yourself nigger
-/k/ is shit and every board is shit and every chan is shit because people stopped policing newfags
->>57985275
->but low effort
-is it supposed to be high effort you retard? do I have to write a novel everytime some tourist acts like a retard? what difference does it make you whiny faggot. newfags act like fags, they should be called out on it. you are the reason why this site is fucking unusable now.
 --- 57985400
 >>57984883 (OP)
 nazi war criminals stole their blanket earlier
@@ -427,3 +419,427 @@ What did you want them to do after being hit with a point blank explosion to the
 --- 57991317
 >>57984943
 It’s Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve
+--- 57991582
+>>57990967
+The leg flail is a death spasm anon, the other guy died instantly
+--- 57991920
+>>57984892
+War crime? Dunno about but definitely a hate crime.
+--- 57992033
+>>57984883 (OP)
+How do you defend against this shit? These weapons are small, cheap, and stupid, which is why no one's ever tried countering them.
+
+Big giant fuck you UAV's? Anti-air defense can track and shoot them down. Tiny little quadcopter? lol you're out of luck. 
+
+Will every squad have to carry around a big bulky expensive anti-drone gun? Radio jamming equipment? Small rocket launchers? 
+
+Every solution is more expensive than the damn cheap UAV quadcopters and the mortors they drop to begin with!
+--- 57992037
+>>57985905
+> Also we need to just start banning people who post shit like any of this
+Kill yourself today you fucking faggot lmao. 
+
+Post passport and then livestream you hanging yourself because you’re a noguns invader communist.
+--- 57992140
+Mental illness thread
+--- 57992160
+>>57992140
+Nice of you to join us
+--- 57992164
+>>57984892
+You poor thing, you should see a psychiatrist.It's never too late.
+--- 57992172
+>>57992033
+Makeshift slanted roof and trench to catch munitions.
+--- 57992199
+>>57984892
+that's a big never happened my dude
+--- 57992209
+>>57987453
+dig deep
+--- 57992238
+>>57984944
+Having a paragraph break between single sentences is peak mobilefag behavior. On a small phone screen even a small bit of text will look like a HUGE wall of text that looks like it needs a break to make it more comprehensible. Consider this post for example.
+--- 57992250
+>>57992033
+Jammers, airburst autocannons in the 20-30mm range, spotters for the pilots, etc.
+>Every solution is more expensive than the damn cheap UAV quadcopters and the mortars they drop to begin with!
+That's not how it works, the solution must be less expensive than what they are targeting. A plate carrier is more expensive than a bullet, but it is still worth it because it's less expensive than losing a trained soldier. These drones routinely kill multiple soldiers, destroy expensive equipment, and they must be absolutely atrocious for morale, so having a dedicated solution to counter them is worthwhile.
+--- 57992363
+>>57992250
+>and they must be absolutely atrocious for morale,
+
+Russian army doesn't have an answer to them, and just seems to consider them an acceptable loss. It's "only" 10-15 soldiers a day right? A "normal" army wouldn't think like that.
+--- 57992411
+>>57992033
+>>How do you defend against this shit?
+Counter-drone operations
+--- 57992436
+>>57984944
+this image is reddit spacing
+--- 57992459
+>>57992436
+Who gives a fuck?
+--- 57992469
+>>57992459
+you gave enough of a fuck to reply
+--- 57992514
+>>57992436
+t redditor 
+
+And the irony is 2000s 4chan was all Reddit spacing. Wasn’t really until all the /r/4chan redditors invaded with their greentext blogposting that anyone started pretending to give a shit about “Reddit spacing.”
+--- 57992545
+>>57992514
+-t reddit spacer
+--- 57992561
+>>57992545
+You don’t even know what Reddit spacing is you newfaggot foreigner lmao. Here’s some Reddit spacing for you 
+
+Ira shill farms 
+
+-SEO Sky 
+Caнкт-Пeтepбypг, Кoмeндaнтcкий пp., 4a, БЦ «Cтpoйдoм», oфиc 409, St Petersburg, Russia, 197227
+
+-Marketingovoye Agentsvo Didzhital Risech
+Kuybysheva St
+St Pete 197046
+
+-Pravda basement
+Grivtsova Ln
+St Pete’s 190000
+
+-Serm / PR set
+пpocпeкт Юpия Гaгapинa
+Saint Petersburg 196135
+
+-Gubment coordination building
+yлицa Caвyшкинa
+Saint Petersburg 197374
+
+-Grifon
+Лигoвcкий пpocпeкт
+Saint Petersburg 191040
+
+-ResearchMe
+Bolshaya Sadovaya Street
+Moscow 123001
+
+agentstvo kreativnih
+Зeлeнoгpaдcкaя yлицa
+Moscow 125475
+
+Direct for business 
+Nevski prospekt
+Saint Petersburg 191167
+
+Ksentra 
+2-я Звeнигopoдcкaя yлицa
+Moscow 123022
+
+Direkt info 
+Tverskaya Street
+Moscow 125009
+
+yлицa Opджoникидзe
+Moscow 115419
+
+Agentsvo Internet Issledovaniy
+Obukhovsky Oborony Avenue
+Saint Petersburg 192029
+
+Shillfarm
+Domodedovo
+Moscow Oblast 142000
+
+Russ int tech
+5-й Дoнcкoй пpoeзд
+Moscow 119334
+
+Russian promo farm
+Marata Street
+Saint Petersburg 191002
+
+Online market intelligence 
+yлицa Щeпкинa
+Moscow 129090
+
+IRA building
+Cyздaльcкaя yлицa
+Moscow 111672
+
+Prodvizheniye Sayta 
+Зapeчнaя yлицa
+Saint Petersburg 194355
+
+Artics internet solutions
+Rentgena Street
+Saint Petersburg 197101
+
+Alfa marketing
+Caдoвaя yлицa
+Severnyy
+Belgorod Oblast 308519
+
+Klever Lab
+yлицa Hapимaнoвa
+Rostov-on-Don
+Rostov Oblast344000
+--- 57992728
+>>57992238
+ye I could post more normally when 4chanx still worked
+--- 57992840
+>>57984883 (OP)
+Lack of discipline/training. In an 2-man fighting position when one rest the other one stay up and vigilant.
+--- 57993050
+At this moment russians are dying not for glory, not for freedom and for their motherland. They don't even die for a white race or oligarchs money or even a chance to murder and rape.
+They are dying just to lose the war a little later. Sad.
+--- 57993264
+>>57992631
+>had to made
+Holy fucking ESL
+--- 57994568
+>>57985972
+Sorry for not being braindead retard
+--- 57994591
+>>57984892
+kek, faggot
+--- 57995524
+>>57984944
+
+
+This is
+
+
+Reddit 
+
+
+Spacing
+--- 57995661
+>>57990836
+Yeah, can someone explain what injuries these guys have? I would expect people to be mist after having a grenade dropped on them, but these guys seem pretty consistently intact enough they're kicking around?
+--- 57995715
+>>57995524
+Seethe
+Newfag
+Tourist
+--- 57995898
+>>57984883 (OP)
+Spooning just feels nice you know
+--- 57997394
+>>57992033
+you gotta go full moleman and just dig your way too victory. fighting on the surface is only for fools who aren't smart enough too realise that the future is in the tunnels.
+--- 57997942
+>>57984944
+is that bait for tricking people to admit they're redditors by arguing with him? Reddit spacing is using double like breaks when only one is needed. 
+Using double line breaks between paragraphs or sections on the other hand has always been fine and only newfags would call that reddit spacing
+
+cope
+--- 57997976
+perfectly lined up, perfect drone bait
+their commander must want to get rid of them ASAP or something
+--- 57997981
+>>57984892
+When they let in the fags did you turn in your card like the rest of us?
+--- 57997996
+This whole site is filled with retarded newfags. Dont they know the shit they call reddit spacing has been the format for most forum posts on the internet before they even came out of their mother's womb?
+--- 57998109
+>>57997996
+They are children, someone says Bane and they say For you! Someone says Chuck and they say Sneed.
+Whats funny about it is how much they'll defend it, everything is reddit and reddit is evil reddit is gay reddit is stupid reddit is the enemy of my secret club! Reddit reddit reddit. You use a wrong word and you're a tourist from reddit!
+
+Buncha idiot kids that parrot everything they hear, they desperatly want 4chan to be their super secret club.
+--- 57998144
+>>57985905
+>stop being /k/ and be more PC my fellow board members.
+niggerfaggot
+It hurts me whenever people shit on the BSA due to my fond memories of it, but I would happily pick insidious bastards like you each and every time over people having a laugh at a failed and dying organization tainted by its own mistakes.
+--- 57998178
+>>57997942
+its bait on bait on bait.
+people have double spaced since 2003 at least.
+its part of the eternal game on 4chan.
+at this point arguing over redditspacing has become well known enough that it is a bait all on its own.
+it won't change the fact that redditspacing has always been a bait meme that identifies newfags as described by >>57997996 and >>57998109
+--- 57998198
+>>57984883 (OP)
+>That twitch
+man I'm going for a walk. Maybe call some people. Maybe never come back here again.
+--- 57998298
+>>57998198
+Never seen a death on theninternet before anon? Its an ugly thing I agree but war is ugly. I more just wonder why the Russians dont prep the poor bastards for this kind of thing. Have them dig deeper, make proper bunkers with roofs and sandbags and sumps, etc. 3rd ass military sending its young, barely trained men to die stupidly. Russian leadership deserves to be put on a wall and shot simply for allowing those dumb mobniks to die so wastefully. Speaks to the shittyness of Russian society that they havent done it.
+--- 57998441
+>>57989977
+Must've been something the drone dropped.
+--- 57998496
+>>57997996
+ Stupid newfag redditspacing sulkingniggaz never Usenetted.
+
+Opinions on everything discarded.
+
+They roll their own feces in little balls and pop them in each other's mouths like Faggot Skittles.
+--- 57998804
+>>57984883 (OP)
+It's wild af that this is what liberal America wants.
+--- 57999062
+>>57990967
+They get tarps and wooden logs to cover the holes sometimes, the Ukraine drones just blow the cover up.
+--- 57999082
+>>57992033
+>>57992250
+You can do what both sides already do and use machine guns as AA weapons like its WW1/WW2 again.
+--- 57999107
+>>57984944
+this retard was so close to being right. 
+
+reddit spacing is a space between every line. 
+
+separating paragraphs is not reddit spacing.
+--- 57999134
+>>57984883 (OP)
+Very rude
+--- 57999154
+>>57984883 (OP)
+Is he gonna be OK? That firecracker gave him a bad leg cramp from the looks of it. Probably dehydrated.
+--- 57999169
+>>57984915
+>warcrime
+what "war" this is a Special military Operation as said by Russians themselves XD 
+Besides even if Russia did declare war on Ukraine and you want to bring up crimes then lets talk about the raping and bombing of civilians they've done and forcing convicts to join Wagner.
+--- 57999366
+>>57995524
+And why should be believe you?
+--- 57999398
+>>57997942
+
+reddit spacing is leaving a newline between the quote and the response, like I just did
+--- 57999457
+>>57995661
+severe concussions, bruised flesh to the point of it kind of turns into necrotic goo if not looked after, filled with holes from the shrapnel which will cause them to bleed out and occasionally limbs will fall off it shrapnel hit the right parts
+--- 57999488
+>>57984944
+Everyone who responded to this is a fucking retard, as is the person who posted it. The only reason "reddit spacing" is even discussed is because of all you faggot fucking redditors who came here and thought
+>lol this formatting reminds me of reddit
+Spacing out your posts has always been common. It was common before you newfag zoomers were even born.
+--- 57999491
+>>57999398
+
+>reddit spacing is leaving a newline between the quote and the response, like I just did
+
+Especially egregious after greentext
+--- 57999508
+>>57984921
+That's not reddit spacing.
+--- 57999550
+>>57998198
+Don't let the door hit you on the way out, you might get the door knob stuck in your gaping asshole you pathetic sheltered faggot. Get shit on, scrub. This is the internet. The real internet. You probably don't have any internet memories before smartphones were invented, but if you do, you remember the days where censorship was nonexistent beyond basic moderation and you had thick skin or you went back to whatever other hobbies or space you had that were more sheltered. I'm talking child porn on the front page of /b/ and /r/jailbait steady on the front page of reddit. Everybody and their mom had seen two girls one cup and the pain olympics. We didn't all necessarily enjoy that stuff, but we were actual adults, mentally, and could experience that sort of stuff without becoming traumatized. You could never. From the bottom of my heart, don't come here again until you're ready to be an adult.
+--- 57999564
+>>57984944
+hey guys I'm only gonna say it once
+
+this is reddit spacing and I was here before that faggot
+this is not
+
+It's called reddit posting because one enter double spaces on Reddit >hits enter
+and on 4chan it does not >hits enter twice
+
+does that make sense, fags?
+--- 57999609
+Why are threads of Ukrainians dying deleted but threads of Russians dying are allowed?
+--- 57999652
+>>57999609
+People hate Russians (they deserve it).
+--- 57999680
+>>57999609
+Check 4chan bans and see what gets deleted, it should make fucking sense why you niggers get culled like chaff.
+--- 57999725
+>>57999609
+Why are threads about human gore deleted but threads about hunting pigs allowed? \
+--- 58000670
+>>57999491
+>Especially egregious after greentext
+
+I dont see a problem with a little space after a correct greentext though.
+--- 58000778
+>>57984892
+anyone calling you a faggot is insecure about their sexuality. in emergency preparedness, our counselor noted that an extra body for warmth could literally be the difference between life and death in the freezing cold. the larpers in this thread have never camped in adverse conditions and they'll never understand lmao
+--- 58000819
+>tfw your ancestors lived through Tsarists, Bolsheviks and Stalin just so you could die in a hole to secure a rail line 
+Truly an experience that only the Slavic people could have.
+--- 58000832
+>>57984892
+when i was in scouts we just drank loved the south and hated minorities
+--- 58001648
+>>57999488
+retard
+--- 58001666
+>>57999550
+I hope this is pasta
+--- 58001682
+>>57984892
+Are you okay now Anon? Did you ever bring that up to your parents? I'm assuming this isn't b8 since I was in the scouts too but we never shared any beds or bags with one another nor were allowed on each others beds generally even to play.
+--- 58001796
+>>57984883 (OP)
+>troll
+>off topic
+>low quality
+
+Why janitors allow?
+--- 58001840
+>>57984883 (OP)
+I was expecting another prayer session op, my day is ruined
+--- 58001924
+>>57984883 (OP)
+Might be a dumb question but when the grenades explode, where's the blood?
+I thought the shrapnels should fuck people up real badly especially in such proximity.
+--- 58002006
+>>58001796
+If you haven't already noticed, /k/ jannies will allow literally anything these days as long as it's anti Russia. Just look in any other thread and see which posts get deleted and which posts don't.
+--- 58002017
+>>58002006
+Based mods
+--- 58002025
+>>58002006
+Not really.
+I replied in a /chug/ raid thread and it still got deleted.
+--- 58002478
+>>58001924
+>lots of tiny holes
+>uniform/heavy clothing absorbs lots
+--- 58002491
+>>58002006
+Check 4chan bans you lying nigger. First /k/ thread deleted is a >russia still hasn't taken Bakhmut.
+--- 58002510
+>>58002006
+>If you haven't already noticed, /k/ jannies will allow literally anything these days as long as it's anti Russia.
+Good. You can go cry about it in gonzalo's channel.
+--- 58002599
+>>57990816
+>Russian style of propaganda
+>Is exactly the pro-Ukraine propaganda on /k/
+--- 58002636
+>>57984883 (OP)
+Yes, they didn't had all that gay sex on russian prisons for nothing OP, they were always training.
+--- 58002656
+>>57984883 (OP)
+This makes me feel a great deal of sympathy for the Russians. The US-backed coup regime in Ukraine has been shelling the Dunbas for several years, but watching people actually die leaves a bigger impression.
+--- 58002740
+>>57985551
+This
+But it's still too little too late, time to abandon thread
+--- 58002774
+>>58002491
+>4chan bans
+You're a retard who doesn't even know how this website works.
+--- 58002818
+>>57984883 (OP)
+They should put up a green tent to hide from the plane
+--- 58002828
+>>58002774
+I’m not the guy you’re replying to, but here you go newfag.
+https://www.4chan.org/bans
+--- 58002897
+>>58002828
+I know what that is. The post I replied to referenced that as proof, but it doesn't show all bans, and also doesn't show deletions, which is the point he was trying to refute.
+--- 58003268
+>>57992033
+we already have the pike which is a 40mm missile that can be launched from a grenade launcher. Surely that must be cheaper than these small quadcoptors, right?

k/57985510.txt

@@ -56,3 +56,163 @@ Which side op?
 --- 57991003
 >>57985510 (OP)
 >this entire thread
+--- 57992669
+>Another Bakhmut thread gets posted
+OKAY STOP
+
+Some three-day special military operations just take longer than others to be completed, that doesn't make them any less successful!
+--- 57992693
+"An old man died."
+"But look! A Lada!"
+--- 57992712
+>>57992669
+But how can a handsome monke- TSAR have trouble taking land?
+--- 57992772
+>>57989771
+> But when did it start?
+> And when do they capture Bahkmut?
+> Time is important and I am a clock?
+> If the counteroffensive starts, that what happens?
+> Is Wagner even real does anyone know?
+> Maybe Wagner’s just an arm of the Kremlin, not actually a legitimate PMC-
+> Z! Z! Z! Z! Z! Z! Z! Z! Z! Z! Z! Z!
+--- 57993353
+>I am have surplus equipment, see?
+--- 57993361
+>>57993353
+>When was the last time you modernized those, friend?
+--- 57993374
+>>57993361
+>Modernize them...? Into what?
+--- 57993971
+>>57985510 (OP)
+>Well I'm mobilized.
+Hmm, What?
+--- 57993982
+>>57993971
+What?!
+--- 57993992
+>>57993982
+I'm mobilized.
+--- 57993994
+I'm not , but I'll let you hide at my place in exchange for pussy and tits.
+--- 57994003
+>>57993992
+Says here, I'm definitely mobilized.
+--- 57994016
+>>57994003
+Who else does it say?
+--- 57994029
+>>57994016
+Why were you mobilized?
+--- 57994039
+>>57994029
+I was born male. Ha!
+--- 57994045
+>>57994039
+What about us? Does it.. What does it say about me?
+--- 57994055
+>>57994045
+Am i mobilized?
+--- 57994061
+>>57994055
+Nope! Just me.
+--- 57994073
+>>57994061
+Why do you get to..that's, It must be. That's a mistake.
+--- 57994085
+>>57994073
+Somebody's Jealous
+--- 57994099
+>>57994085
+Jealous of me being Mobilized
+--- 57994110
+>>57994099
+You don't even know what it is. So why would i be jealous?
+--- 57994125
+>>57994110
+Yes, I do. As far back as i can remember i always knew i deserved to be mobilized.
+--- 57994140
+>>57994125
+Just, I'm more the kind of guy that would be mobilized.
+--- 57994147
+Literally watched a load of this last night and now it's all over/k/, maybe I just never noticed it before because I didn't get the references.
+--- 57994149
+>>57994140
+You're jealous.
+--- 57994158
+>>57994149
+That's just my kind of thing.
+--- 57994164
+>>57994158
+I'd better get changed into my Uniform.
+--- 57995175
+>>57985510 (OP)
+Good, stop posting on 4chan and go die
+Good riddance, one more vodkaape gone from this accursed board
+--- 57995879
+I thought it was a fun thread.
+--- 57995897
+I for one enjoyed this thread
+--- 57996774
+Thanks for the laugh, Oh Pee
+--- 57996803
+>>57995159
+this doesn't work btw
+--- 57997101
+>>57996803
+Yeah, you have to report it for spamming/flooding.
+--- 57997349
+>>57985510 (OP)
+MOS? I want to do something cool in the army, but I don't know what there is to do.
+--- 57997393
+Good thread
+>>57995175
+you are a dum dum
+--- 57997551
+Buy tons of lip balm. Both for your asshole and lips, because they are going to get roughly handled and chafed. Plus I suspect hepatitis/AIDS cum burns in all the open wounds you're going to get in them.
+
+Maybe carry a qu'ran and ingratiate yourself to the Chechens - they'll still rape you, but might give you a reacharound or something.
+--- 57997559
+>>57995159
+YOU IDIOT
+
+NOW I'M NEVER GOING TO SEE THAT SKELETON
+--- 57997576
+>>57985510 (OP)
+I like this thread.
+--- 57997855
+boomers get out. no one cares about your dead show
+--- 57998227
+>>57995159
+>ads
+--- 57999544
+>>57997855
+>brand new show
+>boomers
+Wat?
+--- 58000390
+Today Op was not a faggot
+--- 58000452
+> Come on friends, we need to get to Bahkmut, we've got a lot of work to do!
+--- 58000528
+Best thread on /k/ imo
+--- 58000858
+>>57999544
+There are zoomers who weren't even born when the first episode came out posting here now.
+--- 58000917
+>>58000858
+>DHMIS 1 was 12 YEARS ago
+holy fuck
+--- 58001144
+>Memories of him talking to me
+>He told me about Wagner PMC
+--- 58001211
+>>58000917
+BRB, suck-starting a Luger.
+--- 58001237
+>>58001144
+FAR TOO WEAK!
+--- 58001424
+What about my shredder?
+My personal shredder?

k/57985774.txt

@@ -177,3 +177,72 @@ None of what you said matches anything in the OP
 --- 57990934
 >>57990553
 From what I got out of it, OP wants a modern rifle that gets the job done while being cheap to shoot and having lightweight, compact ammo.
+--- 57992912
+>>57987416
+Hes right though, because you should compare Kentucky Rifles to other rifles, not line infantry muskets, which by the virtue of their function had to be long (bayonet fighting, warding off cavalry charges and firing over the shoulders of the front ranks). European civilian rifles that Kentucky/Pennsylvania evolved had short barrels, the same goes for military rifles of that era. Google Jagestutzen and compare them to American rifles, the difference is obvious. Same goes for the Bakers or French Versaille light infantry rifles.
+--- 57994144
+>>57987416
+>The British short land musket pattern 1769 all had 42" barrels.
+Yes, and? Kentucky Longrifle was designed as a hunting weapon not a battle rifle. You're comparing to to the wrong thing.
+--- 57994166
+>>57992912
+Why were infantry still using muskets when they had rifles?
+--- 57994355
+>>57994166
+Muskets were faster to reload, more volume of fire
+
+Militaries are retarded, even in modern times they do this where they go from wanting accurate fire to wanting a high volume of fire every few decades. They switched to percussion cap guns and eventually cartridge guns, but about 20-40 years after the civilian market in each case
+--- 57994533
+>>57994355
+>>57994166
+Black Powder was incredibly dirty and made rifles harder to load after they fouled up quickly. They were also much more time consuming and expensive to make, and required better quality control. For equipping large numbers of line infantry smoothbore was the way to go, they achieved their goals by massed close range fire, and their lives were fairly unimportant.
+--- 57994564
+>>57994355
+The civilian market will tolerate much higher costs than the military, and were built in very small numbers by high end craftsmen.
+--- 57994578
+>>57985774 (OP)
+Extra-long barrels now are a case of diminishing returns past perhaps 24" for most rounds.
+I'd say maybe the Savage Axis II.
+--- 57994607
+>>57986369
+Washington State just banned them by name.
+--- 57994964
+>>57986369
+the homosexual faggots in WA let their legislators ban them by name
+--- 57997777
+>>57985774 (OP)
+>/k/ is so obsessed with ARs that wanting to shoot for less than what .223 costs today is a foreign idea
+--- 57997883
+WHERE THE FUCK DO I FIND A FUNCTIONAL FLINTLOCK KENTUCKY MUSKET
+
+NO, I DONT WANT AN ORNATE WALL HANGER
+NO, I DONT WANT AN ANTIQUE OR HISTORICAL PIECE
+I WANT A FUCKING WOOD STOCKED, FLINTLOCKED, LONG BARREL PIECE OF SHIT THAT I CAN CARRY AROUND IN MY 4TH OF JULY OUTFIT LOADED SO I CAN BLOW THE HEAD OFF A REDCOAT EFFIGY IN THE WOODS
+--- 57997895
+>>57994607
+more reason to own one or more then
+--- 57997916
+>>57997883
+https://muzzle-loaders.com/products/traditions-kentucky-rifle-kit-flintlock
+--- 57998020
+>>57994355
+XIXth century militaries era were no more retarded than contemporary ones, They stick to proven arms suitable for mass armies and cost effective given their level of technological and industrial development. Where it was feasible they did not shy from introducing novelties - light infantry units that operated in difficult terrain precluding use of cavalry were often armed with rifles, sometimes of quite intricate design, like Austrian Grenzer O/U combination guns - thats because these small units conducted basically a hit and run guerilla warfare against similarly sized groups of opponents and had marginal role in main battles. Line infantry units were used by their commanders as giant shotguns, individual accuracy did not mattered much and flintlock rifles could not be reloaded quickly enough to make the difference. 
+ The real problem was heavy fouling that made loading into a rifled barrel tightly fitted and thus accurate projectiles impractical due to slow rate of fire and high probability of completely jamming the gun if you were unable to completely set the bullet down the barrel. This was only solved with expanding projectiles like Minie ball, but it had to wait for the introduction of new percussion priming, since pressure in flintlock guns was insufficient to properly expanf the skirt of the projectile, due to gasses bleeding from the touch hole.
+--- 57999312
+>>57997777
+Hey retard OP didn't ask what the cheapest ammo was. He asked a very specific question and got a very specific answer. That answer is the AR 15.
+--- 58000933
+>>57997777
+How could you waste such a blessed get.
+--- 58001117
+>>57986743
+You may be strangely aroused, but I know exactly why I have this boner.
+--- 58001407
+>>57985774 (OP)
+IIRC you can technically legally hunt deer with a PCC in a lot of states, and 9mm from a rifle barrel will get you performance comparable to .357 out of a handgun and people hunt with those. So maybe an accurized PCC with a decent scope slapped on it?
+--- 58001775
+>>57997777
+Fucking wasted qjqes
+--- 58002475
+>>57997777
+checked

k/57986169.txt

@@ -91,3 +91,312 @@ I doubt it, giving a rival free data on your anti missile defences would be real
 --- 57990041
 >>57986169 (OP)
 It's hiMARS, not hiVENUS
+--- 57992302
+>>57986169 (OP)
+Do burgers use the HIMARS to hit sea targets?
+
+From what I've understood the Pinoys want to buy the HIMARS and other stuff in exchange for all of these temporary bases because they can't afford them otherwise.
+
+Also the burgers are parading their F-35B all over the Philippines, if they weren't dirtpoor and uber corrupt they'd have a small fleet by now.
+--- 57992431
+>>57992302
+they probably did this whole thing to see if it was a viable tactic. But no burgers do not use rocket artillery to attack ships. They have a giant navy, planes, and even the marines have AShMs for that now.
+--- 57992947
+I like how it's news when western weapons miss, but Russia blowing up belgorod on accident is totally no big deal.
+--- 57993036
+>>57992431
+I doubt America is low IQ to even consider this, I'm guessing Pinoys want to see if the HIMARS can pull double duty because they're low IQ and dirtpoor.
+
+Surprised to not see a HIMARS with Harpoons and NSMs.
+--- 57993057
+>>57986169 (OP)
+>how did something missED?
+Indian detected
+--- 57993085
+So in real battle situation, when PLA ships will also be moving and also defending themselves with missiles and CIWS, how many missiles would Americans have to waste on a single target?
+
+Also, i understand where HIMARS is hiding from Russian in Ukraine - Ukraine is big, but if HIMARS is on the island where there are not many roads, and not many forests. Where would it hide?
+--- 57993098
+>using artillery as good ole naval batteries in 2023
+holy fuck
+i feel so bad for the marines posted in there
+they're on a glorified pr stunt event with a military that has no/shit gear and thinks naval warfare is still in the 19th century
+how do marines even cope with their thirdie counterparts
+only high ranking officers want this because they score brownie points
+--- 57993111
+>>57986425
+China's ballistic missiles and glide vehicles do not have terminal guidance and China lacks the technological infrastructure to even begin trying to develop ways to provide these weapons with terminal guidance.
+--- 57993127
+>>57993111
+>China can land rover on Mars
+>but they don't have technology to guide a missile here on Earth a few kilometers, because is said so!
+--- 57993131
+>>57986477
+>yeah but why didn't they pick the right coordinates?
+Look at the people in our military then ask if they can do math.
+--- 57993136
+>>57993085
+>to waste on a single target?
+Considering HIMARS is GPS guided, it's only use against shipping is, at best, very stationary targets in ports. Harpoon, NASM, TASM, etc are much more effective since they have an actual terminal guidance system that can detect targets independently.
+--- 57993141
+>using HIMARS to hit ships
+>when Marines have pic related
+>when Marines have the F-35B
+>when the Chairforce have F-16s, F-15s
+>when the Navy has Super Hornets
+This looks like Lockmart is heavily shilling this to a country who couldn't afford it even with ally discounts.
+--- 57993143
+in actual invasion scenario himars will be reserved to hit possible landing sites, no?
+--- 57993150
+>>57993085
+>how many missiles would Americans have to waste on a single target?
+Depends on the missile
+you will note that the artillery rounds and airstrikes did not miss, and that even the HIMARS rounds hit their targeted co-ordinates, those coordinates just didn't contain the ship
+As I understand it American anti-LCS strategy is to saturate the defence systems with dozens or even hundreds of simultaneous threats all approaching at different speeds and from different directions
+--- 57993164
+>>57993127
+bro we've been able to land spacecraft on other planets for more than half a century, its not new technology anymore
+advanced terminal guidance for missiles on the other hand, is
+--- 57993180
+>>57993143
+dont forget static logistical elements, like launching sites, bridges and floating drydocks
+--- 57993238
+Target was an old US WW2 ship that was passed down to the Philippines post-WW2. It was still in active service as of 2020. According to Philippine sources these are what launched shit:
+
+>HIMARS
+fired once, then unleashed all five salvos, all missed
+>F-16
+Dropped a Paveway II at the stern, titled the ship
+>F-35B
+Dropped a Paveway II at dead center, sunk the ship
+>AC-130U
+didn't get to fire anything but was airborne
+
+>ATMOS (Israeli 155mm howitzer on a truck)
+30 rounds, only half hit their targets
+>AH-1
+Shot Hydra rockets, did piss damage
+>T129 ATAK 
+Fired Hydras and their 20mm gun, did minimal damage
+>FA-50
+Dropped a Maverick, did minimal damage
+>Super Tucano
+Dropped a Paveway II, hit the bow and only rocked the ship
+--- 57993291
+>>57993141
+>two subsonic missiles
+
+Is this a joke?
+--- 57993314
+>>57993238
+>an old US WW2 ship that was passed down to the Philippines post-WW2.
+
+wtf? i bet Philippine navy lost half of its battle potential by sacrificing this asset
+--- 57993336
+>>57993111
+and yet, the US confirms China has hit a moving sea target with their ASBM 3 years ago.
+
+>y-yeah they just calculated the movement and hit it unguided at the right spot!11
+
+So, why couldnt the HIMARS do the same as it has better CEP due to american tech superiority?
+--- 57993372
+>>57993111
+>China's ballistic missiles and glide vehicles do not have terminal guidance
+--- 57993789
+>>57993127
+>>57993372
+>>57993336
+>retard chinks display their ignorance once again.
+Hypersonic ballistic reentry vehicles and gliders cannot provide internal terminal guidance for moving targets because they create a plasma shealth that blinds radar and optics and china is decades away from having even the beginnings of adequate OS and SIS to even start considering starting work on the problem of how to penetrate the plasma sheath to provide communicate external guidance to their hypersonics. 
+China cannot guide a hypersonic missile to a moving target, however what they can do is run a target along a pre-set path and and then feed the intercept coordinates into the vehicle before launch. Doing this is of course not actually very useful or impressive, but sure looks great as a propaganda bit, especially for US defense contractors looking to get more funding to come up with non-existant opfor wunderwaffen.
+--- 57993825
+>>57986169 (OP)
+Why are they even chucking GPS missiles at a ship? Without an active seeker, you're really relying on the ship being at anchor without any wind change.
+
+I get practicing to use what you have, but they did buy a bunch of NSM for this exact reason.
+--- 57993831
+>>57993789
+lmao you dont even know your own bullshit here.
+none of the hypersonic missiles or ASBM are even near the speeds needed for a plasma blackout.
+
+And even then, there are methods nowadays.
+--- 57993845
+>>57993127
+>China can land rover on Mars
+It died btw lmao
+--- 57993866
+>>57993845
+it was expected to have a life expectancy of 3 months. it managed to stay operable for almost 2 years, which is not bad for their first ever rover.
+
+next time, they would use an isotope based stirling engine.
+--- 57993876
+>>57993831
+>none of the hypersonic missiles or ASBM are even near the speeds needed for a plasma blackout.
+The plasma sheath forms at Mach 5 and the minimum speed claimed by china for the DF17 is mach 5 (up to mach 10), ergo. You have no idea what you're talking about.
+
+>>57993831
+>And even then, there are methods nowadays.
+Name some chang, I'll wait. lol, lmao.
+--- 57993917
+>>57987981
+the failure could also be part of a deception operation
+or to boost the partner nations morale if they think their smaller limited capabilities bested the mighty yankees
+--- 57993921
+>>57993876
+>The plasma sheath forms at Mach 5 
+
+lmao no
+X-51 had a speed of nearly Mach 6 and experienced no blackout.
+
+And space shuttle only has the blackout during their descent at Mach 23.
+
+And this plasma formation does not apply evenly for all shapes. Conical shapes like missile RVs have a higher treshold than the reentry capsules of space craft.
+--- 57993939
+>>57993921
+And additionally, "blackout" is not blackout. You have different frequencies where blackouts happen depending on temperature of the plasma.
+--- 57993949
+>>57993939
+This is also the foundation of the Chinese design for using the plasma sheath as an antennae, since it has resonance by itself.
+Basically, the entire body becomes an antennae.
+--- 57993973
+>>57993085
+Taiwan is not some tiny little rock either. It's half as big as Scotland, or a little bigger than Maryland depending on which is a better comparison for you.
+--- 57993999
+>>57993141
+I feel like that gets stuck in mud and sand really easily.
+--- 57994091
+>>57993921
+>nearly Mach 6
+Incorrect. The top speed reached by the X-51 was mach 5.1 
+
+>experienced no blackout
+Incorrect, it did.
+
+>Conical shapes like missile RVs have a higher treshold
+Irrelevant given that existing designs still generate the sheath.
+
+>>57993949
+You don't understand what that graph actually means. More so, as I previously mentioned China is decades away from having adequate OS and SIS to even think about creating a TDSS for their missiles. 
+
+>>57993949
+Yes, this is definitely a practical theory with no issues and has useful military applications. Again, lol, lmao.
+--- 57995394
+>>57993085
+that's a nice sweater
+--- 57995454
+>>57993973
+oh i didn't know it was actually this big
+--- 57995796
+>>57993973
+Its size can be negated by destroying a few bridges. Literally, imagine you have a Taiwanese tank division located in the North and you need to deploy them South because there are reports that PRC started landing there. PRC can destroy a few bridges and that tank division will never see combat. It will be stuck in the North, not doing anything.
+
+After achieving air superiority over Taiwan, PRC can crowd control like that - by insulating different parts of Taiwan into clusters.
+--- 57995831
+>>57986229
+>the west has fell off
+Is that typical?
+--- 57995851
+but maybe Americans think that HIMARS is going to hide there, in the mountains of Taiwan.
+
+Dude, there are no roads there and where there are roads. No gas stations. You can't hide and run in the mountains of Taiwan forever... after PRC will start deploying drones that have infrared cameras.
+--- 57995886
+>>57995831
+At sea?
+About 5 in a 5.
+--- 57996188
+>>57995796
+>amphibious vehicles and bridgelayers dont exist
+>in their own fucking country
+--- 57996202
+>>57995851
+two days to Taipei?
+--- 57996259
+>>57996188
+I said Tank Division. Can all Taiwanese tanks swim?
+
+Can bridge layer reach around this type of river? I just use simple refferences from Google Maps here.
+--- 57996261
+How strategically illiterate are you idiots? Half the shit in this exercise is clearly NOT meant for targeting ships, the point was clearly "if we HAD to, COULD we use these to attack ships? Lets see what fails and what doesn't." because to a country that actually cares about progress and not saving face, failing is just as useful as succeeding.
+--- 57996282
+>>57996259
+It can just go where the river is thinner cherrypickerkun, or use one of their many tunnels, or ferries or boats
+--- 57996388
+>>57996282
+Its not impossible, but it will take time. I imagine a giant collumn of vehicles rushing at speed to the bridge, finding out its gone. Then they have to reverse, change course, shouting in the radio, finding a better place to cross, organising new route, not sure if its available or not. What if they are lead into an ambush? What if PRC specifically wants them to use one narrow crossing and then trap them like Ukraine did with the Russians?
+
+Its going to be very sloooooow response time for Taiwanese millitary, very limited maneuver space.
+--- 57996426
+>>57996388
+Damn the incredibly fortified country whos entire national identity revolves around resisting china must never have thought of that. I'm sure they'll immediately group together in large clumps and try to use major obvious military targets to get around immediately.
+--- 57996526
+Example of dumb rivers that criss-cross the East cost
+not all of them
+each has from 4 to 7 bridges
+
+Lets continue or thought experiment with Taiwanese tank division going from North to South. They see reports that bridges destroyed everywhere, they could try to get into the mountains, trying to find roundabout ways but not all of them are possible, lots of chokepoints
+--- 57996598
+>>57996202
+its not going to be two days to Taipei, but its not going to be scenario where Taiwanese HIMARS or mobile harpoon launchers are running around undetected, launching and disappearing into the night, constantly changing location, hiding in the forest, then emerging in the unpredictable location, and then disappearing into the folliage of the forest like elves in LoTR, just to again emerge on the other side of the island and sting! from another shore.
+
+Once the bridges are gone, the mobility of any anti-ship or anti-air assets in the area will be severely limited. So if they launch at something, the get detected - and they not getting away to replenish their ammo in haste. They have very limited ammount of roads to use, to get out. Its like a police chase shit at this point, lol, when you know what highway the suspect is using, he is not getting away if cops are on his tail.
+--- 57996708
+>>57993291
+Ask the Moskva
+--- 57998037
+>>57986406
+> China, we kinda suck right now. Can you wait to invade until we've had some time to improve?
+--- 57998069
+>>57993789
+> Bibble babble
+
+Even if. What happens to ships in port or otherwise not moving?
+
+> They get sun--- hey wait a minute.
+--- 57998085
+>>57993876
+> No -- I don't think they slow down in the lower atmosphere.
+--- 57998092
+writing a misleading headline should be a felony.
+--- 57998211
+>>57993876
+>plasma sheath forms at Mach 5
+That doesn't mean terminal guidance is completely blocked unless you have a source to back that up.
+I've done research on comms blackout and every PDF I've read is very complex, sheaths form predicated on a variety of factors and body type and altitude are very important too. You realistically cannot determine at what speed comms blackout occurs without access to classified data on the reentry vehicles size, body shape, nose shape etc. I'll concede you could reasonably assume a terminal x-band guidance system to operate between 8-12 GHz however. 
+
+A real world example is the space shuttle experiencing comms blackout like the other anon mentioned, see pic rel. Obviously the graph isn't extremely precise but total blackout appears to end around 3.75 km/s at 180,000ish ft, that's Mach 11. Even if you're generous and say it's 3.25 km/s that's still Mach 9.5. 
+
+Seriously I'm not trying to be a dick and say you're dumb so if you got sources please dump them I'd love to learn, it's just everything I've read seems to point towards it's a problem but doesn't ever put exact speeds or they say that it's more an issue for spacecraft and ballistic missiles/HGVs don't suffer much from it because any blackout doesn't last long enough to matter.
+--- 57998225
+>>57993876
+--- 57998637
+>>57986477
+They probably did. You act as if water isn't constantly in motion. It's what makes naval combat as unpredictable as it is and why you need seekers on missiles to adjust on the fly to ensure hits on vessels. 
+HiMars arent ASHM anyway. They are used primarily for stationary targets, which no naval vessel is, such as supply dumps as we have seen in Ukraine. I'm sure they could make a ASHM that launches from the same systems but I doubt they had one for the event.
+--- 57998720
+>>57993336
+Because HIMARS isn't a ASBM, you fucking retard. Its a GPS guided artillery missile for stationary targets. It's like saying "why can't you use S-300s for anti-tank? They are missiles with longer range than ATGMs and have explosives".
+--- 57998789
+This was obviously Lockmart shilling the HIMARS to the Philippines, they thought that it can hit ships but it can't.
+
+Should have shilled the Harpoon instead.
+--- 58001460
+>>57986169 (OP)
+What is she doing with that thing? It's kind of big.
+--- 58001725
+>>57986169 (OP)
+lamo git gud
+--- 58002361
+>>57998085
+That's what all they do currently but they can't do it on a very low part that a typical subsonic cruise missile flies at.. LRASM can get much much closer to the sea.
+
+And also, then, it's vulnerable to missiles like ESSM, SM-6 etc since they can easily hit supersonic targets. I mean, the latter have been tested against hypersonic targets recently and they will have dedicated variants for the more harder targets. GPI is also in the works which will lessen the threats more.
+--- 58002744
+>>57988313
+>>make thread in bad faith
+
+94% of all threads on reddi/k/
+--- 58002850
+>>57993917
+The failure is there by design, we design our wargames to test our limits and find weaknesses. A wargame where we “win” is a failure. We want to have it so difficult that we cant win, so we can develop strategies that will work when we encounter that scenario for real. Wargames are for learning.
+
+On the other hand, the chinks design theres for propaganda purposes where grorious peoples army defeats the enemy in spectacular fashion. Nothing is learned. Failure in wargame = general sent to slave camp for making china not look stronk.

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@@ -224,3 +224,750 @@ ngl I actually want that
 --- 57990973
 >>57989702
 Where exactly would you optics cut it?
+--- 57991981
+>>57986598 (OP)
+*SNIIIIIIIIIF* ALRIGHT HEAR ME OUT! 
+A 20 round, bullpup revolver chambered in 5.7
+--- 57992016
+>>57986598 (OP)
+I got one. take a glock mag and turn it upside down. get like 12 of those bitches in 4 rows of 3 in a receiver. 12 barrels in the same 4 rows of 3 vertically. 
+oh... and make it look like the needler from halo. AND THE MAGS MUST BE CLEAR OR ELSE IT WONT WORK. WORT WORT WORT.
+--- 57992389
+>>57988400
+Separate your porn from your shitpostan folder ya dingus.
+Also, piss is only hot when it's desperation/pain induced.
+--- 57993385
+>>57990405
+Yup. That was it.
+> the fucking industry said "don't do this"
+> he did anyway
+--- 57993471
+>>57986598 (OP)
+*snort* what if we make. A rifle that us literally gas operated? We can use the fuel tank as a stock
+--- 57993500
+>>57986598 (OP)
+George Kellgren has said before that he just designs shit that he likes, personally which is pretty based
+https://youtu.be/6_d0DBJhqvQ?t=122 [Embed]
+--- 57993531
+>>57986598 (OP)
+Friendly reminder that Kel-Tec is in Cocoa Florida 
+The 2nd most unsafe nigger town in the entire state 
+It is on Cox Road, just a mile from crack town. 
+They do treat their employees pretty well and have a loyal following, most employees will receieve a free gun after 90 days, using Kel-Tec Points. 
+I have several friends that have worked there over the years. 
+Also, down the road is Diamon back, 
+Dimond back is a white trailer trash nigger meeting area, never buy one item from these faggots, as they are sub humans who thrive in meth and trailers
+--- 57993615
+>>57990973
+Could be like this, but I would personally prefer a racegun-style fixed bridge (with the best optic, of course).
+--- 57993685
+<sniiiiiiiIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIF>
+Okay guys, just throw them at me. Brainstorm the shit out of this. Let's fucking GOOOOO!
+
+> uhhhhhh, mag fed semi auto .410
+Got it.
+> 3 round .30-30 hunting revolver
+It's up there.
+> 1 bore rifle and we load golf balls as projectiles
+Keep 'em coming.
+> Top loading .22lr Gauntling gun that you hold like a leaf blower
+Whiteboard go BRRRRRRRRRR
+> 20 guage rifled shotgun that only shoots broadhead arrows
+More. MORE!
+> Break action over/under rifle in 9mm and 7.62x39
+--- 57993828
+>>57990501
+>>57990782
+One could try and adapt a new 80X Cheetah, by using a new barrel, very weak recoil spring and probably a new magazine follower.
+What would make it Keltec-tier would be if they made a .25 Super: lengthen the case by about 2mm, double the pressure to modern levels (~45kpsi). It could still fire .25 ACP (with a weaker recoil spring) as it would still headspace on the semi-rim, and you could have a 50 grain at about 1200FPS that way. Not too impressive, but 20 of them? Sounds decent.
+--- 57993868
+>>57986925
+Consider the following:
+--- 57993913
+*sniff snoof snort*
+>what if we resurrected the ak45
+*room collectively gasps*
+>in 30-06
+*room violently cheers*
+--- 57993937
+>>57986598 (OP)
+I've posted this before, but I want an M1 Garand clone chambered in .22LR that takes 10 round Ruger 10/22 magazines just like en-bloc clips.
+Load the 10 round magazine in through the TOP of the action, and it functions just like a normal en-bloc clip. Also ejects out the top AND makes a realistic metallic *ping* when ejected.
+It must be made of steel and walnut just like a real M1.
+It must be the same size and have the same outward appearance as a real M1.
+While we're at it, I want a threaded barrel because suppressed .22s are very neat.
+Impossible? Yes. But Kel-Tec is the only company that would be autistic enough to try it.
+>picrel
+--- 57993956
+>>57986922
+We call it the "big wazzo flazzo"
+--- 57993959
+>>57986598 (OP)
+Based
+I have my Halo 2 Battle Rifle because they are so based
+--- 57994031
+>>57993615
+Im ashamed to admit how much i like that.
+--- 57994189
+>>57993937
+Make it 20 rounds and you got my vote.
+--- 57994218
+>>57986906
+--- 57994333
+>>57988295
+>>57988279
+>>57988429
+These are all really fucking good ideas. Someone needs to print out these posts, tape them to a kilo of coke, and send it to the KelTec board of directors immediately.
+--- 57994574
+>>57986598 (OP)
+50 BMG revolver rifle that uses the Benelli system
+--- 57994583
+>>57994189
+I'd love a 20 round capacity, but Ruger doesn't make 20 round rotary 10/22 magazines. And a 10 round magazine is pretty dang close to the actual size of an en-bloc clip.
+--- 57994606
+Sidenote, a Wa2000 clone in 300NM would be fucking sex.
+>>57994583
+Ah that's fair, comparability is important.
+I still fuck with it, a M1-22 would be a fucking BLAST as a trainer and just shooting random shit.
+--- 57994832
+>The kek-tek 69
+Rifle that fires forward and backwards at the same time to eliminate recoil. This allows advanced operators on infiltration missions to maintain 360 Defence(TM). Comes with mirror sights to see behind you. 
+
+>The Fibonacci 7
+A carbine that has spiraling barrels in sequential smaller calibers, starting with 500 S&W, .460 S&W, then 44 Mag, .41 mag, 357 mag, 327 mag, .22 mag. The idea being that you never know what animal you may find on the hunt, be it grizzly bear or squirrel, and finally there's a Gun That Does It All (TM) 
+
+>The Kel-Tec Free Trapper 
+Literally just a replica of a sharps rifle in 45/70 with a pic rail. Optional walnut stock.
+--- 57994876
+>Snifff
+338 Lapua Bullpup
+--- 57994879
+Milkor MGL lookalike which uses blank cartridges to fire 40 mm rubber balls. Or an air rifle with build in 20V air compressor.
+--- 57994927
+>>57994876
+https://deserttech.com/srs.php
+The big un even goes up to .50 BMG.
+--- 57994946
+>>57994927
+But that one is bolt, need to keep the rfb forward ejecting thing goin
+--- 57995036
+>>57994218
+Would you accept a bag of soda pop bottle caps, and a shit load of used books, as payment?
+--- 57995075
+>>57995036
+>and a shit load of used books,
+we talking fiction or like manuals and skill books?
+--- 57995091
+>>57993685
+>Over-under in 7.62x39
+
+... I'd genuinely take that hiking.
+--- 57995102
+>>57995075
+I've got some small books, some large books, a fistfull of magazines I don't really have use for, and because I like you, I'll throw in some sensor modules.
+> hold on, let me put on this hat, I think your prices will improve
+--- 57995116
+>>57986906
+> fallout combat shotgun
+So I recently visited D.C. as a chaperone on a high school trip. 
+> some of the students identified with the landmarks they'd seen in Fallout 3
+> Foggy Bottom
+> L'Enfant Circle
+> Pentagon - "hey, that building is in Fallout"
+--- 57995150
+Piston 38 Super piston driven pistol that is loaded with 10 round m1 garand style clips that ping
+--- 57995160
+>>57986598 (OP)
+How do we turn a nail gun into a semi-automatic dart launcher?
+--- 57995170
+>>57986598 (OP)
+We need a new over-under rifle-shotgun combo. Break action, classic stuff.
+
+But.
+
+Hea-
+Hear me out.
+
+This is the important part.
+
+It needs-
+It needs two, two magazines.
+Yeah.
+
+Two thirty-round box magazines.
+Oh yeah baby.
+
+Three-o-eight and twelve gauge.
+Tho maaaaybe we should make the top shotgun mag one of those- those round things? Whatcha call them? Barrel? Oh yeah drum mag.
+
+One on top, one on bottom. You following me? 
+
+And it's gotta be break action, alright?
+
+Rifle. Shotgun. Two thirty rounders. Break action. Everyone will buy it. It's got something for everyone. We'll be stinkin' rich.
+--- 57995414
+>>57995150
+Kel-Tec has openings in their design department.
+You'd be a great fit.
+--- 57995808
+>*walks in with a bloody nose and a 2 foot long can*
+>"I think I made a 200 round helical 5.56 mag"
+>how did you manage that?
+>"I... I don't know"
+--- 57996399
+>>57990501
+Anything in .25 ACP is dumb as fuck
+--- 57996412
+>>57993685
+Mag fed semi auto .410s already exist
+--- 57996713
+>>57996399
+youre dum as fuck boi
+--- 57996862
+>>57996399
+filtered
+--- 57997222
+>>57996862
+Sorry, I don’t like guns with a single finger grip and ballistics even worse than .22 LR. Maybe as meme/gun range toy, but it doesn’t even seem fun to shoot.
+--- 57997298
+5 shot nagant revolver clone with the gap seal, suppressor height sights, and threaded barrel... chambered in 380ACP and 9mm using the same system as a Medusa.
+--- 57997484
+literally just make this shit again but with shockwave zmags and non-cracking charging handles.
+--- 57997651
+>>57997222
+you are a retard
+>22lr balllistics are calculated when shooting from a rifle length barrel
+>25ACP and 22lr have nearly identical ballistics from a pistol length barrel but 25 is centerfire so inherently more reliable
+--- 57997682
+>>57997298
+Nagant style relies on a non-circumsized cartridge to work, so won't work with regular 9mm.
+--- 57997749
+>>57986598 (OP)
+DA/SA
+With selectable Full Auto 
+8 shot
+6 o'clock revolver
+in 327 federal mag
+--- 57997849
+>>57997651
+They make fast burning .22 LR anon. Look up Federal Punch or Winchester Silvertips. Specifically made for handgun length barrels and has more energy than .25 ACP. I don’t know why you’re even arguing about this they’re both ass compared to even something like .32 ACP.
+--- 57998243
+>>57997849
+because I want a 20 round pocket rocket in 25 ACP
+--- 57998276
+>>57997749
+>Fullretard revolver
+Sounds like a recipe for a mistiming on the cylinder turning your hands into mush.
+I'll take 3.
+--- 57998472
+>>57986598 (OP)
+Ooh, ooh, sir, I have one!
+
+You know how T/C makes modular single-shot guns? Well what if we make modular DOUBLE RIFLES that you can swap out individual barrels on and also make them all tactical and shit? You should also be able to fire both barrels at the same time if you want.
+--- 57998510
+>SNIIIIIIIIIIIFFFF
+Single action only, rotating barrel tube fed handgun chambered in 12 gauge minishells.
+--- 57998540
+Pump action tube fed .357 with an 18" barrel.
+
+ Just the ticket for poor fuckers that live in Anti-Gun Fag states.
+
+ Price point $500
+--- 57998555
+Ok, get this
+A tandem charge... but with bullets
+A gun that shoots two bullets in close succession, nearly at once, in a way that makes them land in the exact same spot. 
+The first one will be a 5.7, to pierce soft armor, the other one a .500, to properly fuck up the human behind it
+--- 57998654
+>>57986598 (OP)
+A lever action .50AE rifle fed from a top down single stack 15 rounds magazine, made with waffle chinesium plastic e 168 Philips screws.
+--- 57998696
+>>57986721
+I know of multiple examples, what caliber?
+>45 ACP
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEzUMfQ0BXQ [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frKMU2EpaoI [Embed]
+There also exists an incomplete prototype that is a short recoil->toggle locked design that I can't find right now. It's barrel looks like a car piston.
+--- 57998717
+>>57986735
+You seek a rifle variant of Maurice the Franken Ruger, which is both a 9mm and 38 special, Detachable quick change tube magazine, auto ejecting revolver.
+--- 57998722
+this post was done by a boomer and his 12yo nephew.
+--- 57998738
+>>57986807
+So you want this with a short barrel?
+https://mjlmilitaria.com/section-1-2-immaculate-ww1-1918-dated-springfield-m1903-mk1-410-shotgun/
+Combined with this
+https://www.springfieldforum.com/threads/springfield-1903-bullpup.3086/
+--- 57998765
+>>57987998
+Browning patented a hopper with a sprocket that looked kinda similar for a gun that the fun never ends. Literally just dump rounds in it pointed forward.
+--- 57998787
+>>57989410
+wat gam?
+--- 57998836
+>>57990464
+So all revolvers are out? All semi-autos are out? All guns are out? Just get better fingers/grip combo and you can out cycle most slower guns (600rpm).
+HINT:
+>your trigger finger is on your left hand, and you are holding the rear grip with your right hand.
+--- 57998845
+>>57993471
+Myanmar called.
+They want their gun back.
+>And their freedom.
+--- 57998886
+giant polymer screw made of screws that shoots screws
+--- 57998912
+>>57998555
+They already sell tandem .308, duplex and triplex 38 special and 45 acp, and a bunch of memeshit shotgun loads with varying weights (small slug+ shot). Also two differently sized projectiles will either be glued together and act as one (a problem called swaging) or separate and have wildly different flight paths. The front one will destabilize the rear ones aerodynamics and throw it far enough off coarse that it will not land in the same hole as the first one.
+--- 57998980
+>>57986605
+You have summoned wrong demon,Anon.
+It can be done.
+--- 57998999
+>>57998472
+>You should also be able to fire both barrels at the same time if you want.
+you're saying *SNIFFFFF* we should make machine guns?
+--- 57999002
+I conjured this up without any chemical assistance, so it might actually not be retarded.
+
+>MP7
+>Mathematically optimized grip, grip angle, and magazine to allow the longest possible OAL cartridge
+>30 carbine or 5.56 necked to .204. Hybrid case (80-100kpsi), VLD bullets with point-like meplat/super low ff, mid-weight for caliber, ~40-45gr @3200+fps
+>35rd double stacks, or 50+rd quad stack/mini-drum
+>10” barrel
+>Large diameter Reflex can that adds minimal length to the barrel (scaling from extant super short 5.56 cans, ~3.5” added length is viable)
+>some form of mechanically reduced cyclic rate for actually useful full auto.
+
+
+Et voila. You have a new assault rifle ~6 inches shorter than an m4 (INCLUDING the can, controlling for LOP) in a cartridge that OUTPERFORMS 5.56 in many ways, has less recoil, is much lighter - both the rifle and the ammo. Has the benefits of a bullpup without the weird ergos, shit trigger, or too far back center of mass. It’s perfect bros. Maybe it’s even holsterable.
+
+A holsterable assault rifle is sort of cocaine-tier, right? Maybe I should go work at keltec.
+--- 57999023
+>>57997749
+>full auto revolver
+
+Would love to see it done desu, just for the engineering marvel it would be.
+--- 57999030
+>>57998999
+I have to point out that you have triple digits
+--- 57999039
+>>57998717
+>Franken Ruger
+
+big gun for big men
+--- 57999061
+>>57999002
+Cont.
+
+Since we’re shooting off insane ideas with no mechanical explanations, I propose a rifle that pulls rounds BACKWARDS from the feed lips by the rim and delivers them to a chamber that sits BEHIND the magazine. Rifle version of the boberg bullpup pistol, except it doesn’t pull the bullets and dump powder all up in your gun’s internals. 
+
+Combine this with the MP7-type rifle I proposed and you can add like 2 or 3 inches to the barrel length for no additional overall length penalty. The barrel to overall length ratio would truly be bullpup-tier, but less gay.
+--- 57999105
+>>57998738
+>https://mjlmilitaria.com/section-1-2-immaculate-ww1-1918-dated-springfield-m1903-mk1-410-shotgun/
+its in Bongistan :( that shotgun will be binned before long. i hate seeing bongs talk about guns. it's like listening to a vegan talk about cooking steak
+--- 57999149
+A telescoping barrel that works kind like an expanding baton
+Every segment would be composed of several interlocking pieces forming an aperture of sorts, allowing the barrels to change their inner diameter to facilitate telescoping while preserving proper function
+--- 57999164
+>>57999023
+I don't think it'd be much more complicated than the webly. I mean it's already halfway there. You just need to make the mechanism such that the hammer falls again without the trigger being pulled, an interruptable sear that functions on the backward/forward momentum of the cylinder frame.
+
+Says the guy who isn't a gunsmith, has only taken apart two revolvers, and doesn't actually know much of anything about what he's spouting off about...
+--- 57999168
+>>57999039
+Not the one I was talking about.
+https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/03/maurice-frankenruger-magazine-fed-revolver/
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4XtVldNbO4 [Embed]
+--- 57999209
+>>57999061
+a sort of long blow forward action.
+Would be a damn weird recoil impulse to try and control.
+Would even be properly called recoil or would it be a different word because the gun is trying to pull itself out of your hand instead of press itself into your hand?
+Would you be able to balance out the mass of the barrel and chamber and it's forward moment against the mass and momentum of the rest of the gun to make it feel recoilless?
+
+...
+Damn Anon. Now you've got me thinking.
+...
+
+Back burner for about 10 years from now if my career path goes well. I might try and make it.
+--- 57999230
+>>57999164
+Yeah, you’re right. Now that i think of it, There is a semi auto revolver, the Mateba 6 unica. Top half of the gun is like a slide that reciprocates some short distance and that advances the cylinder. Simply connect that to an auto sear and you have full auto. Still though, id love to see one made. It’s just so retarded kek.
+--- 57999259
+>>57999209
+Oh no, not blow forward. That’s meth-tier, and we’re just amateur cokeheads. 
+
+I mean let’s say the bolt face/chamber are 2 inches behind the rim of the top cartridge in the stack. and let’s say this bolt face is going to move 3 inches during the backwards stroke of the BCG. I’m talking about some pulley/lever/gear/whatever contraption that pulls the top round back 5 inches, lifts it, lines it up with the bolt face, and then the BCG resumes its cycle like normal.
+--- 57999274
+>>57999209
+Long blow forward action? like whole barrel moves forward to then actuate gun? some early handguns did that by using the drag of the bullet on the rifling to actuate things. I think there was a popular one in mexico that did it before the 1911 was a thing.
+--- 57999290
+>>57999259
+You mean a pump shotgun don"t you?
+>piss
+--- 57999301
+>>57986598 (OP)
+It's time to lean into the smart gun trend, but with none of the faggy saftey features.
+
+Small battery, recharged with the action of the gun. 
+
+Round counter.
+
+User selectable automatic mag ejector when empty. User selectable automatic charging when insert fresh mag with nothing. Auto bolt release. Auto jam clearing via rack and tap. Bluetooth functionality for audible ques for all functions. Auto sight adjustment with applicable sites/semi automatic static zeroing with audible ques via ir laser. 
+
+Oh, and put together using mim molded plastic and woodscrews ofc.
+--- 57999322
+>>57998999
+>you're saying *SNIFFFFF* we should make machine guns?
+Seeing as they're not self-loading we should be fine. However, we should also make the barrels hot-swappable for faster reloading; just push a button to drop the current barrel and just slap the new one on.
+
+Think of the endorsements from trick shooters!
+--- 57999356
+>Welcome to KeK-Tec R&D
+>You're going to need one of these
+--- 57999403
+>>57998999
+Not a machine gun. VOLLY GUNS, EVEN FUCKING REPEATING VOLLY GUNS, ARE COMPLETELY LEGAL.
+>SO FUCKING LEGAL
+SO ARE GUNS WITH MULTIPLE TRIGGERS THAT FIRE ONE BARREL, SO ARE MULTIPLE TRIGGERS THAT FIRE MULLETPLE BARRELS, I WANT TO SHOOT THREE NIGGERS OR SHOOT A NIGGER THREE TIMES. 
+>I WILL SHOOT^3 YOU
+BUILD A WALL OF GUNS
+ALL TRIGGERS SET OFF ALL GUNS
+100 PIERCE MINT LEGAL
+A BILLION GUNS
+A TRILLION TRIGGERS
+I WILL END MEXICO
+EVERY DOOR HANDLE IN AMERICA WILL FIRE MY WALL OF GUNS
+EVERY STEP ON A SIDE WALK WILL SET OFF ANOTHER LEAD TSUNAMI
+ALL OF THIS IS COMPLETELY LEGAL
+I WANT A WALL OF GUNS ON THE BORDER
+>THERE'S NO LAWS AGAINST THE MEXICANTS BATMAN
+(now do it again but in .410)
+--- 57999418
+>>57999061
+the czechs tried this actually
+--- 57999432
+>>57999418
+that looks awesome.
+--- 57999442
+Bullpup in 5.56 with a 20 inch barrel and an electric trigger tuned to be very crisp
+--- 57999533
+>>57999418
+What’s it called?
+--- 57999547
+>>57999290
+Hah. Yeah. But rifle version and mag-fed. No need for fancy mechanisms if the cartridge is just under the chamber.
+--- 57999568
+>>57999547
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmW2LzTNq1E [Embed]
+Done.
+--- 57999591
+>>57999301
+>round counter
+
+Is wayyyyy past due, especially on exceptionally high capacity guns (drum fed, quad stack fed)
+
+A spool of wire located in the mag basepad, with its other end connected to the follower. Some small electronics in the basepad that can communicate degrees of spool rotation - and thus the remaining capacity - to the optic, which will display the remaining rounds in the mag right next to the reticle. Dunno what tech you’d use, but I’d be astonished to learn that such tech doesn’t exist. 
+
+There’s the temptation by some companies to turn the red dot window into a HUD, and they display retarded shit that nobody ever needs to know, like rifle cant, optic battery level, etc. but round counter is actually a really useful thing that is worth the optic window real estate it takes up.
+--- 57999622
+>>57999533
+Sa 81 Krása
+--- 57999630
+>>57999568
+REEEEE stop looking for loopholes.
+
+>Mag-fed
+>Centerfire rifle caliber
+>Select fire
+
+Like a real gun dude, not a meme. 
+
+Inb4 full auto mag-fed lever action
+--- 57999659
+Kel tecs really aren’t that crazy. Everything they do has been done before.
+--- 57999681
+>>57999622
+Thanks. Looks really interesting
+--- 57999773
+>>57999681
+np
+here's a later version in 5.56
+https://youtu.be/qE-SQo9UEaE [Embed]
+--- 57999835
+>>57993937
+Holy fucking WANT
+--- 58000129
+>>57986598 (OP)
+Modernized sks with integral 4x scout scope (in 7.62 windage) and natural zero at 300m (change the barrel angle upwards so it crosses zero at 150?m and 300m). Keep the bayonet, improve the cleaning case spot in the butt, and add a longer cleaning rod so the barrel can be swapped properly, allow easier firing pin removal with a spring, compensating muzzle brake, lower the receiving housing into the stock and have an ambidextrous cheek weld, and increase the gas return piston size so its easier to swab, add a gas selector toggle above the return port which can be twisted with a casing, and keep iron sights with a combat pullback for 300m but improve the sight profiles and adjustment method. Keep the wood stock, improve the magazine latch button, and keep the two stage trigger. Also laser sight the bore/scope at factory to 1moa. Most importantly keep it Canadian market legal and under a grand. You will sell so many your accountants will drown in champagne.
+>No detachable mags. Factory pinned ten rounds to five so you don't lose spring strength. Safety is great, keep it. Dial a trigger weight would be magical. Being able to store the scope in the butt would be absolutely amazing. Oh and sling mounts. Basically the ultimate deer hunting rifle. I want to buy a dozen just reading this description.
+--- 58000345
+>>57999630
+>stop looking for loopholes.
+no mr atf man
+--- 58000499
+>>57999630
+list all requirements, I'm losing track but sounds like you want a pull style machine gun (as opposed to push through belts) that takes mags. Maxim guns do this but arn't selective fire (easy fix) and don't take mags (possible but not as easy). If I look long enough I can probably find an example though, as there were many hopper chute and mag experiments done with machine guns.
+--- 58000527
+>>57999630
+>>58000499
+Forgot pic
+--- 58000615
+>>57999630
+>>58000499
+Maxim five-barrel machine gun, fed from overhead inserted magazines and later belt-fed.
+>t. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxim_gun
+--- 58000648
+>>58000499
+Basically a conventional pattern rifle, like an AR, but with the action moved way further back and with barrel length closer to that of a bullpup. That’s what I’m going for here, no beltfed, no manual action, just a free couple inches of barrel length. Dgaf how it’s accomplished, just that pull-back method seemed logical,
+--- 58000664
+>>57999630
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TKB-022PM
+look it's exactly the opposite of what you want, 3 inches forward and it even has a buffer zone.
+--- 58000668
+>>57993531
+Gosh, I used to surf there in the 80s
+--- 58000711
+Bolt action carbine in straight -wall calibers.
+--- 58000712
+Doublestack P32
+--- 58000741
+Actually, wait. Bring back the fucking Hakim. American made clone.
+--- 58000803
+mkii with a pic rail on top and keltecs square pattern stuff on the receiver
+--- 58000810
+>>58000648
+>Basically a conventional pattern rifle, like an AR, but with the action moved way further back and with barrel length closer to that of a bullpup.
+18 inch barrel.
+>just a free couple inches of barrel length.
+If it has room to lift a cartridge up, then you will gain no additional space from adding in all that extra stuff over just using a mag where the lifter is supposed to be. The bolt must move back the same amount either way to clear the chamber and have enough room for a cartridge to fit in it. There is one where cartridges are halfway in front of the chamber though...
+EXAMPLE: G11
+>fuck normie rules.
+--- 58000835
+>>58000648
+Tell me this isn't exactly what you asked for.
+--- 58000890
+>>57995116
+Pentagon is not in DC
+--- 58001075
+>>57986598 (OP)
+Self-loading black powder gun.
+
+The barrel is connected to a two-chamber revolving breech. When one chamber is in the firing position, the other is in the loading position. The gun has two magazines, one for powder and one for bullets. The whole thing is electronically controlled.
+
+When you pull the trigger, an electronic spark plug in the back of the firing chamber ignites the powder and rotates the breech. Then, two solenoid arms reload the other chamber. You could have a dial or something to control the amount of powder that goes into the next shot. Manual backup loading handles are available so that you can go through this entire process even if the electronics fail.
+
+The magazines can be canted to form a sort of "V" shape in order to avoid obstructing the sights. Only the bullet magazine needs to be detachable; the powder magazine can be topped up, and acts more like a hopper.
+
+Furthermore, the gun would have a crank in the stock that you can use to recharge its internal battery.
+
+> Advantages of such a system
+It uses primitive ammunition that can be much more easily procured. No need for brass. No need for percussion caps. You can shroud the mechanism so that it's resistant to rain. It's the ultimate end-of-the-world firearm.
+--- 58001096
+>>58001075
+I really really like this idea.
+--- 58001146
+>>58001075
+How would you deal with black powder fouling?
+--- 58001188
+>>58001146
+Well I guess you'd have to just clean it every so often innit
+--- 58001239
+>>57996399
+--- 58001354
+>>57995075
+these designs are about 1000x better than the fallout 4 pipe garbage we got. first thing I do when I replay it is mod them out of the game entirely
+--- 58001391
+>>57997682
+I think that's why anon mentioned the Medusa, it's neat stuff. too bad they break some times and you can't find replacement parts
+--- 58001433
+>>57999168
+>https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/03/maurice-frankenruger-magazine-fed-revolver/
+okay that is pretty fucking cool
+--- 58001538
+>>57999591
+optic would be neat, but if the rifle doesn't already have a smart optic the feature would be useless. what about a tiny e-paper screen on the side of the magazine? the smallest I could find from a quick search was over 1" square, but I'm sure a smaller stamp sized display featuring just a 2 or 3 digit could be made if it doesn't exist already. these displays could then be sold to consumers without already having to own a several hundred dollar smart scope
+>This black and white square 200x200 pixel ePaper display module is a perfect size for small, low-power electronic shelf labels. 
+>EPD/ePaper displays are bi-stable, meaning once an image is displayed on the ePaper, it remains visible even when the display is disconnected from power.
+
+further reading (just remove all the wireless stuff to save cost):
+https://www.hackster.io/news/lilygo-s-t-echo-is-a-tiny-battery-powered-epaper-display-with-lora-bluetooth-nfc-and-gps-radios-5b6e1ad5fb5e
+--- 58001546
+>>58000803
+this, plus a 3/4 scale .22lr version that takes MP5 22LR mags
+--- 58001567
+>>58001188
+>>58001146
+>>58001096
+>>58001075
+That's been done. I'd love to see a modern interpretation
+--- 58001580
+=>>58001538
+You don't need a proper E-paper display, though. You can just have 7-segment digits. I bet that would simplify it even further.
+--- 58001594
+>SNIIIFFFF
+Ok so the tkb 022
+>rails another line
+But instead of shit soviet plastic from the 70s
+>SNIFFFFF
+ahhh...... we put shit american plastic so it looks like a gun from halo
+>silence
+What?
+>silence
+Oh yeah! And have it in 6.8mm remington!
+--- 58001706
+>>57986925
+Thompson Arms have been making handguns in every fucking rifle caliber under the sun since the sixties. Not to mention every fucking AR and AK "pistol" that have been extremely popular as of late.
+--- 58001721
+>>58001580
+>You don't need a proper E-paper display, though. You can just have 7-segment digits. I bet that would simplify it even further.
+a 7-segment display would probably be simpler to implement (proubably by DIY), but the display would need to be powered to work (I mean you could put a solar bank on it but that would get muddy and be useless at night). I mentioned the e-paper specifically because it will display with no input power. A mag could be stored loaded and would still visually show its round count for example. 
+also, what about a magnetic strip that runs along the spine of the magazine. the sensors could measure the distance the follower has travelled to calculate how many rounds are remaining. I would worry that a spoil of wire hanging on to the follower could break withe repeated movement.
+--- 58001759
+>>58001721
+I mean you take the E-paper tech and use it to make a 7-segment display. Right now it's a 200x200 pixel grid but that seems very wasteful if all you're ever going to show is numbers.
+--- 58001779
+>>58001759
+I mean you take the E-paper tech and use it to make a 7-segment display. Right now it's a 200x200 pixel grid but that seems very wasteful if all you're ever going to show is numbers.
+yes, that's exactly what I mean. though it looks like there's already a better solution out there. these could probably be 3d printed as I assume they're just mechanical:
+--- 58001792
+This thing but with polymer casings to keep weight down even further would unironically be dope. Fifty rounds of no recoil in a lightweight package feeding from fifty round magazines.
+--- 58001793
+>>57986598 (OP)
+Their concepts are actually excellent they just have good old American cheapness in their execution.
+--- 58001811
+>>57986598 (OP)
+Belt fed, crank operated 37mm flare launcher, with optional 40mm pipe adapter
+--- 58001826
+>>58001792
+what is that thing? 
+*sniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiif*
+guy's elon musk is making rockets, he-
+*sniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiif*
+FAST rockets. what if we like....
+*snooooooooooooooooort*
+what if we brought back the FUCKING gyrojet
+--- 58001844
+>>58001826
+It's a little more pedestrian than gyrojet projectiles.
+--- 58001856
+>>58001538
+It has nothing to do with a smart optic, just one added functionality to any red dot. Sig’s recent romeo9 (I think that’s what it’s called) has 2 zeros in 2 different colors that can be turned on simultaneously. It’s just that same tech with an adaptive LED.
+
+The problem I think with putting it anywhere other than in the optic window is that you can’t see the live round count while shooting. If you have to look at the mag to get a round count reading, you mightaswell just use a translucent mag. The point of it in the optic is so you know when you’re running low, when the gun won’t fire, and how to time your reload. Maybe it’s a very niche use case, like only in high intensity firefights, but is still useful nonetheless and neat to have. Anything that consumes fuel always has a fuel gauge, it would be odd if it weren’t desirable on guns.. I imagine similar arguments could have been bade about LRBHO. “When are you not gonna have a extra second to rack the action?”, but alas LRBHO is ubiquitous now (‘cept on AKs Jfl at AK virgins)
+--- 58001861
+>>58001826
+Interdynamics MKR
+--- 58001891
+>>58001856
+you make a valid point, but how does the optic talk to the magazine? bluetooth? a little wire running from the magwell to the optic mount? then you have to buy an optic that has this functionality when you may already own a red dot. 
+>make the magazine have a display AND bluetooth functionality. If you have a compatible optic it will display in the reticle, if not you can just look at your mag. plus the mag will display a count when stored.
+--- 58001901
+>>57998787
+>store.steampowered.com/app/1378290/The_Citadel/
+--- 58001929
+>>58001792
+>50 round magazines
+
+Dream bigger
+The 4.5 inter dynamics is 1/3 the weight of 5.56 already. Say polymer case brings it down to 1/4th (maybe even less). Right off the bat, a 120rd quad stack mag weighs the same as a 30rd 5.56 PMAG. Bring the gun’s weight down some, which shouldn’t be too hard, and you can hold a complete combat load on the gun at once. Imagine a p90 style mag running the entire length of the top, quad stacked, holding like 200-250rds.
+--- 58001938
+>>58001826
+>sniffffffff
+alright fellas now hear me out
+>ffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
+how about caseless?
+--- 58001961
+>>58001929
+>Right off the bat, a 120rd quad stack mag weighs the same as a 30rd 5.56 PMAG
+Now make it telescoped
+--- 58002003
+>>58001891
+Ya exactly. It’s gotta be a completely system purpose designed from the ground up. Too many sacrifices would have to be made in order to retrofit/be shoehorned into existing equipment, if it’s even possible.
+
+No wires. It would have to talk to the optic wirelessly. I’m not well versed in tech, so I don’t know what would be used, and that’s why I said I would be astonished if no such tech exists in 2023. It would have to be something like Bluetooth, which is archaic for tech standards, so maybe whatever tech Bluetooth spawned or whatever it evolved into. And it would have to be smart, so the optic knows when to display info received and when not to. Example: a mag is in proximity but not inserted into the gun, so the round count should not read “30”. So the optic needs to know the location of the transmitting device relative to it, to confirm it’s coming from the right angle, or there has to be some button on the mag that interfaces with the magwell that will transmit only when pushed. 
+
+Bro, if I had the exact how-to on how to accomplish this, I would’ve made it already lol. I’m just spitballing in a keltec cocaine thread.
+--- 58002042
+>>58001961
+Ah shit, I did say dream bigger lol. Ok fine, we’ll go from 50gr total cartridge weight to like 45gr.
+
+Hang on.
+
+Actually that’s a great idea. Omit the rim, and now you can have a case head smaller than what is permitted with rimless cartridges, while still having room for a primer.
+
+Ok now make the case out of steel and crank the pressure up to 100kpsi. Beltfed from a 5,000 round backpack.
+--- 58002130
+>>58002003
+If you have that set up, then it'd be better to just have an NFC chip set up to communicate with the gun. NFC only lets you communicate along very short distances, it's used mainly for credit card payments. Your phone has NFC too. It uses very little energy and I believe it'd be the perfect technology for this so long as you're willing to modify your magwell with a receiver for the signal. I suppose you could then communicate this to the optic via a sort of smart picatinny rail with contacts for communicating with attached devices, sort of like in Battlefield 2042, or just with bluetooth between the gun and the optic (better than between the optic and the magazine. Bluetooth is a bitch to connect and disconnect) to transmit the data.
+--- 58002190
+>>58002130
+I forgot completely about NFC. but yeah, literally “near field communication’. Any tech that accomplished this.
+
+If it uses very little energy, why not a small 2032 battery in the basepad? And why the modifications to the magwell if the basepad can speak directly to the optic or the gun via powered rails? The reason I imagined it speaking directly to the optic is cause it seems like a fucking nightmare trying to put all sorts of electronic devices and wires etc into a firearm design. Much more streamlined and simple if it talks to the optic, and the gun remains a dumb analog device. So no new gun needed, just an optic and mag
+--- 58002197
+>>58002003
+Same but I like that we have a similar idea
+--- 58002202
+>>57998836
+Some republican politician made the point that he could exceed 5 rounds per second semi-auto. They didn't care, but they're not banning semi-auto or revolvers. I think it's just something that would get invoked for binary triggers, two triggers, or other innovations in fire rate.
+--- 58002241
+>>58002190
+While it'd be nice to do that directly, and it's certainly possible with bluetooth, NFC has an extremely limited range so you'd need to put something in the magazine well. This also solves the problem of figuring out which magazine you want connected; Bluetooth has a range of a couple of meters. It might try to connect to mags in your carrier. I reckon you might be able to cram it into the mag release, actually, so you connect to your mag release from the optic and the mag release talks to the magazine.
+--- 58002332
+>>58002241
+That sounds like a really elegant solution. Are there problems that could arise from having an intermediate step between mag and optic? Does NFC have any shortcomings relevant to this use-case? What needs to go into the mag release? NFC sensor and battery, I’m guessing?
+--- 58002377
+>>58002332
+NFC sensor, battery, and of course a little microcontroller + bluetooth transmitter to actually get the data out. All of these can be made quite small, so there's definitely the possibility that this can fit. I'd be a little worried about structural integrity since that thing is usually solid metal, though I guess it'd probably be fine if you made it out of aluminium or maybe if you just had the NFC sensor in the mag release piece, and had a wire run out from it to a control box that you can affix to your quad rails (finally, something to put on your rails) - It'd be a small control box, much smaller than like a PEQ box.
+--- 58002432
+>>58002377
+Could all of that just be fit into a new block on the bottom of the magazine? Or would that be too far from the optic?
+--- 58002495
+I've got a P17, P32 and P15. They've all been 100% reliable, the P17 is coming up on 4000 rounds and has been the best performing 22 I've ever ran. Kel Tec also has excellent customer service, fast shipping times and refuses to follow what all the other manufacturers are doing.
+--- 58002597
+>>58002432
+No, you could fit it all in the base of the magazine. The problem is that you won't necessarily know if it's inserted. Hence why I think it'd be better to have the bluetooth connection to a device in the lower receiver.
+--- 58002625
+>>57999168
+What the fuck. Also he should've done it on a DA revolver but still, WHAT THE FUCK?
+--- 58002665
+>>57993937
+Based 10/22 top feed magazine autist. If this retardation were made I would hunt squirrels with it. But you might need to modify the internals of the mag to get an auto bolt hold open or some kind of trip/pusher to let the gun "know" the last round was shot to let it eject. Basically something in the mag that pushes the "mag release" button.
+--- 58002684
+>>57988295
+That thing really needs to have a better trigger though. Try the trigger on one of those things, it is STUPID heavy. Unironic old chrome staple gun-tier.
+t. played with one once
+--- 58002736
+>>58000890
+Oh for fuck's sake. It's on the DC metro. Close enough.
+--- 58002754
+>>57988295
+I tried to find the real trigger pull weight for clarification and came up empty, except for some complaints:
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COP_.357_Derringer
+>Two complaints about the COP .357 are that it is too heavy to be used as a backup gun, and that the trigger pull is too heavy for rapid fire, even heavier than most modern revolvers.
+https://www.forgottenweapons.com/the-most-80s-gun-ever-cop-357-at-the-backup-gun-match/
+>It’s also an awful pistol to shoot. The trigger is one of the worst I’ve ever felt
+https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=367050
+>Trigger pull is about 63,000 lbs +/- 1 ton.
+https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/advice-on-cop-357-for-ccw.3913/
+>I would tell you the pull weight if I knew, but my trigger pull gauge only goes to 25 pounds.
+kek
+--- 58002815
+>>58002597
+>No, you could fit it all in the base of the magazine. The problem is that you won't necessarily know if it's inserted. Hence why I think it'd be better to have the bluetooth connection to a device in the lower receiver.
+I'm the other anon who's also not up to date on current tech. I would just think that having everything on the accessories rather than built into the gun would be more marketable and user friendly overall. No need to do gunsmithing on things you already own, and it could make the technology more versatile as it wouldn't necessarily be configured for a single platform.
+--- 58002887
+I gotchu boss
+--- 58002905
+>>58002815
+I'm a software developer and I'm fairly up to date on current embedded technology, though it's not my day job.
+
+Basically, while it would be nice to cut out the middleman, my concern is that Bluetooth is very unreliable when trying to pair with a specific device - if you've ever owned a phone and a pair of wireless headphones, or a car, or bluetooth speaker or whatever, you'll know what I'm talking about. Now, this would obviously be very bad during a gunfight. Bluetooth is also basically the only protocol I can think of that would be appropriate for trying to connect mags to your optic. You don't want to be waiting around for your mag to pair properly, you want it to know exactly what's up, right now. You especially don't want it to give you mag data for the weapons of people near you, or the magazines in your carrier. NFC is the best way to communicate in this situation. But it's too short ranged to reliably be able to go straight from the mag to the optic. So, I think the best way to handle this would be a middleman piece.
+--- 58003907
+>>57986598 (OP)
+>*Sniiiiiifff,* snort*, aaaww yeaa, listen up guys I have an Idea , hang on , *sniiiiifff* ough . Here it goes.
+5 shot Da/Sa Bulpup 12 gauge revolver and 5.45 combo slideaction rifle. Thumb selector switches the hammers +pump assemblyes, the safety is a crossbolt safety like the one on a benelli nova or rem 870. The (bothsides ) charging handle on top of the 545 barrel allows to rotate the 12 Ga cilindre backwards if pulled halfway and if pulled all the way pushes the SAA stile ejector. Lever in the back(not seen) puts it on halfcock allowing you to freely spin the cilindre.
+We will call it the kel tec 12 000 000

k/57987486.txt

@@ -169,3 +169,304 @@ And ya could have got the best shit available on the civi market for just $1k mo
 --- 57990843
 >>57990329
 by normal hands or your fat hands
+--- 57992966
+>>57989987
+>>57990032
+A map, some papers, string, odds and ends. Maybe some medical supplies.
+--- 57993304
+>>57989987
+>>57990032
+Cool rocks that you find during movement
+--- 57993609
+>>57989987
+dead birb or wabbits
+--- 57993880
+mystery ranch makes the best backpacks in all the categories:
+
+>EDC
+2dap
+
+>assault pack
+3dap/komodo dragon
+
+>ruck
+SATL/beartooth 80
+
+>big sustainment ruck
+6500
+
+for the assault pack category they have high prices, but for the big ruck category all packs are expensive so there's not much of an opportunity cost, anyway in general they're more expensive yes
+
+change my mind
+--- 57993933
+>>57993880
+I thin military surplus is a good option. Used US Army ACU pattern packs and gear is very cheap because no one likes the ACU camouflage. I bought some textile dye from Hobby Lobby for $5 and dyed the gear I bought. 
+ The ACU pattern dyed dark green works great in Appalachistan.
+--- 57993935
+>>57993880
+i think you can get away with just 2, a big 3dap and a giga ruck, if you fill them less just sinch them down.
+I'd also add an EDC pack that's separate for the fact that it's easier to manage but otherwise you can just do 2.
+for example I got a 6500 but you can compress and close the sleeping bag compartment and it becomes a SATL basically.
+but since I'm a pack consoomer I was thinking about buying a mid ruck, i just cant decide which, I like the satl, but the ones i find are old gen and have the small chip belt, that concerns me as it seems it may be shit at load bearing, unless you buy a new gen from varuste but it's too expensive , otherwise there's the beartooth 80 which is a very good general purpose pack and has a cool design with the 270 zipper, but it's super expensive too so I might wait a bit before buying. I also like the kifaru 357.
+
+has anyone tried the old gen satl? is the small belt really a problem?
+btw my 6500 is old gen and has the internal frame instead of the external pike the new gen, is there much of a difference.
+--- 57993943
+>>57993933
+I know I had a MOLLE 2 ruck in acu and also an ILBE main, I sold them both for a prooofit and bought the 6500
+--- 57994654
+>>57988029
+>what are they made of?
+Ceramic strikeface glued to a backer. Backer is usually kevlar or polyethylene, fiberglass if you are RMA.
+
+Most common ceramic is Alumina Oxide due to its extremely low cost and ease of manufacture. Boron Carbide is the lightest and most expensive, close to 50% less dense than alumina, but gets its ass handed to it under hypervelocity impacts OR high load scenarios like tungsten carbide hits, its no silver bullet till inexpensive doping strategies can mitigate its fragility. 
+Silicon Carbide is the middle child cost/weight wise, nowadays only about triple aluminas cost, while providing marked density reductions and better damage tolerance against tungsten rounds.
+There are a metric shitload of minor variants that Im not gonna sperg about but thats the lay of the land.
+
+>I've seen shelf life of ceramic plates mentioned before. What exactly degrades in the plate?
+Provided the plate isnt using something like Zylon, and provided its stored in reasonable conditions, first thing liable to go is shitty glue. I have an XSAPI that basically separated out due to a shit batch of glue. If the glue doesnt suck, expect a properly stored plate to be an heirloom you can give your grandchildren, expiration is a complete meme if you arent a trogolodyte with your gear.
+--- 57994717
+Crye combat pants or field pants?
+(Or UF Pro?)
+
+I understand that the cut is slightly different, but how different? I want something that won't be tight in the dick and ass while I'm hiking in the field etc and I dont really care about knee pads.
+--- 57994718
+>>57994654
+give some sauce on where to learn the technicals of armor like the stuff you're saying, I already know the basics but want more
+--- 57994761
+>>57990329
+Your gym membership should be hand selected too.
+--- 57994793
+About 1/2 way done building out the AOR1 h-harness, finding a matching map pack has been elusive. My buttpack came in and I noticed the coloring is a lot less warm than the harness itself. DOM on the buttpack is ‘07 (along with most of the pouches) whereas the rig was made in 2013, everything is Eagle.
+Is this just a byproduct of variations in manufacturing over the years? Or did they deliberately play with the colors as production went on? Doesn’t bother me at all, just curious on the history.
+--- 57994835
+>>57989964
+You're gonna need to shell out for a precision rifle style tripod and mount.
+--- 57994869
+>>57994718
+Apexarmorsolutions. Google that. Read everything he's written posted or linked on Facebook, reddit, and his website.
+--- 57995078
+>>57994717
+just get the combats and tuck the knee pad entirely in the pocket so they don't catch and rip out as easily 
+
+I like exposed knee pads because it's easier to replace worn out knee pads than wearing a hole through the fabric of internal knee pads
+--- 57995148
+GBRS are fags Y?N? Both in terms of products and media
+--- 57995574
+>>57995148
+Y
+--- 57995717
+>>57994869
+lmao. Go home, Apex, you're drunk
+Basically, "Apex" is full of shit and unironically recommends the most shit-tier armor plates (RMA 1155 single curve) because he gets a kickback from them. Nothing he ever wrote is original and he is known to plagiarize from other sources without attribution. Like /bag/ for instance.
+--- 57995724
+>>57995148
+gigafags
+--- 57995912
+>>57995148
+Very faggy, but if you want one of their products, Chang has your back.
+--- 57995919
+>>57994717
+the kneepads make a world of difference
+>>57994793
+aor1 is homosexual
+>>57995148
+huge fags on all fronts
+--- 57995926
+>>57988175
+ooooo very nice
+--- 57995936
+>>57993880
+None of those are Hill People Gear so none of them can be the best
+--- 57995960
+Why are most gearfags absolute fucking autistic cringelords?
+Like, I see dudes out here running super duper lightweight setups because "they're gonna be in the field for 20-40 hours" or some shit
+--- 57995975
+>>57990267
+Another 1k always has to come at the cost of something else, since 99.99% of people who are into this don't have fuck you money. It's not like Elbit tubes are bad, they're very modern Gen 3 devices with slightly lower specs than L3 tubes. Spending another 1.5k for only moderate benefit will always come at the cost of something else you'll need.
+--- 57995978
+Anyone got any tips for bringing a P83 chest rig to a local tailor for modification? They've altered pants and stuff for me before but they barely speak English. Should I provide technical drawings with what I want? 
+Better yet does anyone have recommendations for someone that will modify a P83 chest rig online? 
+> H harness
+>replace GP pouches with molle
+>Sew in hook and loop between rear admin pocket and chest rig for dangler
+--- 57995985
+>>57995717
+>Go home, Apex, you're drunk
+HELL YEAH
+
+I miss /bag/, they did great research while it was around. Im starting to update the spookplate chart, but it feels like a hollow undertaking nowadays
+--- 57995991
+>>57995960
+It's just fashion anon. Hansel, so hot right now. Hanseeel.
+--- 57996011
+>>57995960
+>Why are people on 4chan absolute fucking autistic cringelords?
+gee bud wonder why
+--- 57996018
+>>57995991
+Oh now I get it
+Maybe I'll get some slutty "totally not lycra" ""tactical"" wear for the range then, usually I just go for plainclothes styles like jeans and shit
+--- 57996029
+>>57995717
+Hey fuckface, dude is looking for info. It doesnt matter if the info is stolen or what fucking ever info is info and that fucker has it so im telling him to go steal it from him if you will. Notice you didn't provide shit but talk shit fucking thanks for nothing.
+--- 57996081
+>>57995978
+online might be a better bet, or finding a local tailor that speaks better english. I'm not a sewing machine autist but there might be specific shit that they need on the machine
+--- 57996448
+>>57995960
+>running super duper lightweight setups
+How light we talking? There's validity to lightweight plate carriers and belts since sustainment and such should be in a pack
+--- 57996477
+>>57995936
+is HPG IR compliant?
+--- 57996680
+>>57996477
+Yes, just tested it
+--- 57996762
+>>57996029
+Lol. Lmao
+--- 57996766
+>>57996477
+Their stuff is generally made with actual 500D Cordura so I'd say so
+--- 57997268
+>>57996448
+Mainly just hearing people shit talk crotch and deltoid protection because apparently everyone hikes 30 miles a day in their plate carrier
+--- 57997306
+>>57997268
+In all my time in the army (I joined in 2013), I have never once seen someone wear the deltoid protectors or crotch flap, even deployed to the sandbox. I've only worn the crotch flap when doing FTX's in places with cactus. The only extra bits I've seen someone wear was a cherry officer wearing the neck flap and tramp stamp protector, and we bullied him into removing those.
+--- 57997403
+>>57997306
+See but in actual boot shit where you're doing 4 hour foot patrols with a combat load, that extra stuff is patently retarded
+I'm talking for the civvies who wanna play army at the range
+Even if you do urban exploration with your funs and gear, you're much more likely to get tetanus from a bare nail than catch a bullet. My anger is directed towards those wannabes who act like they're in or are still in, when civvies have entirely different operating requirements
+--- 57997789
+>>57997268
+>>57997403
+Fair enough, I feel not a lot of people understand what's important to know in order:
+1.) Defend a structure/area (house, land, etc.)
+2.) Shoot and maneuver in a vehicle/Evasive driving
+3.) Protection and sustainment when having to move on foot (guaranteed death for most people)
+--- 57997793
+>>57996029
+Hi John. You gook faggot.
+--- 57998052
+>>57997403
+Honestly we should have worn every piece, seeing as how soft armor is mainly in response to shrapnel and explosives were a much higher threat in theater to us, but man fuck it was too hot for that shit. Even though we were mounted (broke dick humvee AC almost never worked too). Took a good amount of fire but none of us were ever hurt.
+Should wear it normally too, given the amount of artillery and stuff you'd see in LSCO, but I'd probably only wear it in trenches (and I pray I never have to do trench warfare)
+--- 57998064
+>>57997793
+Lol rent free huh. Feel free to suggest alternate sources of body armor knowledge. Faggot.
+--- 57998174
+>>57996680
+Thanks, which color?
+--- 57998498
+>>57998064
+John, why do you recommend RMA? Is it just the money? Also, have you apologized to Hesco yet?
+--- 57998746
+>>57994793
+There's definitely some variation to AOR1 depending on when it was produced, plus if it's used or stored in the open it will fade eventually. I wouldn't worry about it. 
+
+>>57995919
+>aor1 is homosexual
+It's nice as long as you're not role playing as a SEAL. It's AORfun but there's also BaeOR2 for more practical camo outside of a desert.
+--- 57999703
+I've discovered a lot of really small gear makers via Instagram. Some of these guys are making really nice stuff, and they're often open to letting you request certain customizations and tailor made stuff. You might have to wait a month or two for them to make it, but I find that preferable to playing the old "which product from which company meets the requirements I have for X piece of gear I need" game.
+--- 57999747
+>>57998174
+The ranger green + khaki one
+--- 57999872
+What do you guys put on the dominant side on the cummerbund of your plate carrier?
+I'm wondering if I should put a small admin pouch there or leave it naked
+--- 57999909
+>>57999872
+I use an elastic cummerbund with magazine cells. On my dominant side, I tend to stuff small cases or bags with tools and other odds and ends. Stuff like a range kit with a small bottle of lube, bore snake, microfiber clothes, etc. Also my "boo-boo" kit with mundane medical stuff like band-aids and eye drops since my eyes get dry in certain conditions.
+
+If you mount a GP/admin pouch on your dominant side, make sure it's low profile enough so that your arm isn't constantly making contact with it. That gets annoying.
+--- 57999928
+>>57999909
+>I tend to stuff small cases or bags with tools and other odds and ends
+That's what I was thinking, leathermen, etc
+I was thinking maybe cleaning stuff like lube but would it be better ot put that in a pack I can easily access?
+--- 58000045
+What are some good organizational pouches to put inside my ruck?
+
+That’s what I’d use them for:
+
+>spare socks 
+Osprey dry bag 3L 
+
+>spare clothes (spare base shirt mainly)
+Same bag as the socks 
+
+>hygene kit
+Helicon Tex small med pouch seems good, otherwise kifaru 500d pull out bag
+
+>first aid kit 
+Same as hygiene kit
+
+>water filter and dirty water bag 
+Mesh bag
+
+>food
+Idk, a big cordura bag or a waterproof bag
+
+>small stuff like ferro rod lighter tape etc 
+Magpul daka see through or another kifaru cordura bag
+
+>empty mesh bag
+To hang stuff to dry either in my pack or at camp
+--- 58000051
+>>57999928
+I guess it depends on what you want to carry on-body. I don't put a lot of stuff on my chest rigs or PC since I'm not doing recon type stuff or whatever. I tend to keep stuff like a multitool, batteries, chemlights and my headlamp in small cases stuffed into elastic cells or pouches.
+
+I do have a chest rig with an HSGI Mini MAP V2 mounted onto the front of an Unobtanium SLEDS placard. It's a pretty nifty GP pouch, and the only one I could find that mounts using 5 MOLLE columns, since that's what the SLEDS provides. I'm typically not a fan of mounting pouches onto the front of placards since a lot of them are pretty deep and add to the overall thickness of the rig up front. I like to keep my setups as slim as possible, which is why I typically prefer storing stuff on my sides.
+--- 58000072
+>>58000045
+--- 58000144
+I know here we’re almost all larpers but I find airsoft guys very cringe, the main reason is they buy gear just to be lookalikes of real units instead of utility, and they dress up with American flags and unit patches and shit even tho they’re not American (at least where I am), and they don’t know shit about small unit tactics and gear, in fact they often have stuff set up in absurd ways.
+Anyway whatever I’m not mad at them they can do whatever but I find them cringe
+--- 58000174
+>>58000045
+Defense Mechanisms sells a mesh organizer bag. >https://defensemechanisms.com/mesh-organizer-bag/
+--- 58000322
+>>58000144
+Every hobby including airsoft starts off "just for fun" until people get caught up buying tons of bullshit, terrified at every turn what people will think of them for it, and then of course have to defend their choices vehemently against the slightest criticism.
+Sound familiar?
+--- 58000360
+>>58000322
+>terrified what people think
+Why would one care?
+Plus I don’t tell people about my interests because I know they’re not muh socially acceptable (guns, gear, military tactics and strategy, vehicles, logistics and operations etc), especially at work, I only do that if I get a feel that the person is the right type, but anyway I never found anyone that was actually interested in this stuff, at most they owned guns but they were fudd tier mentality even if young, like muh cops should shoot him in the hands to make him drop the pistol
+--- 58000749
+>>57998064
+Me, for one. I have no reputation to maintain, and no conflicts of interest besides selling sets of plates I am not using. Or, the archives here are a treasure-trove of useful information. Or, self directed study of the field from the ground-up reading research papers from the last 60 years. Plenty of options rather than "shut down your brain, slurp the reddit advice teat and go back to sleep".
+
+In line with that, fuck most armor makers on the planet, most are making plates qualitatively worse than their counterparts 20 years ago. Cercom was selling a 5.2lb boron carbide IV for 850 back in 2004 through Diamondback tactical. Cercom was also selling 4lb SAPIs explicitly 10-hit rated at a 1" shot spacing
+--- 58000756
+>>58000144
+This is why I larp as an insurgent, im barely qualified to act as such
+--- 58001624
+>>58000174
+$50 for a little mesh bag are you out of your fucking mind
+--- 58001954
+>>58001624
+Lbx has really nice organizers that are more worth the money. Look at the titan pack organizer sacks.
+--- 58002121
+>>58001954
+I wasn't the guy asking but thanks anyways.
+I've been a long time LBT simp but lately I've found that their quality has taken a nosedive
+--- 58002168
+>>57989987
+They are called poacher pockets
+
+I will leave it at that
+--- 58002860
+>>57994793
+I made one of these too but didn't get the butt pack
+--- 58003366
+>>57999999 →
+Well time to make a e-tool info graphic
+--- 58003626
+>>58000144
+There are cringe airsofters out there but your median milsimer is far better for actual combat than most of the Instagram range drill fans, because at least they have some practice with maneuvering and communicating.

k/57987557.txt

@@ -114,3 +114,216 @@ I dont know man, seems like even normies are turning into fucking loons these da
 --- 57990658
 >>57990613
 Wouldn't take that bet. There's no money in leftwing politics. All the grifting and astroturfing money is showered on reactionary dipshits. We have a hard time even getting all our folks to show up to bimonthly SRA meetings. You're falling for propaganda that was literally designed to only work on leaded-gasoline addled boomer brains with dementia what's wrong with you
+--- 57991728
+>>57987557 (OP)
+
+Eliminate the competition, and then you may wear the color of your choice.
+--- 57991748
+>>57987557 (OP)
+Yeah, by being at least reasonably fit and not having any cringenigger patches on your gear.
+--- 57991857
+>>57987557 (OP)
+R8 my black kit
+--- 57991874
+>>57990613
+>were bussed in or don't even live in Ft. Worth or Texas?
+You're obviously not from Texas. This state isn't some massive conservative block. Most leftist in this state are located in the big cities.
+--- 57991916
+>>57987557 (OP)
+Be jacked and look good wearing anything. The truth that both /k/ and /fa/ alike don't want to accept is that looking good in any clothing comes down to looking good naked. If you work out and have a good frame, you could be wearing the cheapest airsoft gear and still wont look like a faggot. Obviously you still have to set it up competently because you can still easily look like a retard if your mags are upside down or your radio PTT cant be reached, but be jacked and never worry about looking like an umbrella corp cosplayer ever again.
+--- 57995417
+>>57990613
+I could see them coming from Austin, but they were probably local.
+>>57990633
+No one even casually associated with antifa is a Human Being.
+>>57990658
+You're going to pretend that the Kenosha rioters were local?
+The one-armed bandit was from Milwaukee and the chi-mo was from way the fuck out west.
+--- 57995444
+>>57987557 (OP)
+Black kit in general isn't that great.
+I suggest civilian clothes or grey in cities. In a wilderness, I'd go with Kryptek patterns to avoid looking like a fed, while still getting the same color pallet.
+--- 57995704
+>/pol/tard is so deluded that he thinks a tiny fraction of gun owners wearing all black gear makes everyone think of antifa
+Fucking nobody cares about antifa, not even self-proclaimed antifas themselves.
+--- 57996393
+>>57987628
+Don’t go at all. You have nothing to gain and everything to lose. If they come to you it’s a different story.
+--- 57996406
+>>57988911
+Because he’s a retarded methhead. Why do you feel the need to defend serial child rapists?
+
+https://youtu.be/ZVYFu57T58c [Embed]
+--- 57998204
+>>57987567
+Found the redditor
+
+>>57987701
+Tan and green don't blend well with urban environments 
+
+>>57995444
+Black & grey is fine for cities and wearing a camo pattern at all would defeat the entire point of trying to not be noticed in urban areas
+--- 57998301
+>>57987690
+Wonder how many of those guys have gotten ACK'ed! by now.
+--- 57998313
+>>57995704
+Bitch I'm in Los Angeles California which should have "dude weeeeed lmao jus want muh gay peeps to grow weed with AGAY47s" and even here gun shops and ranges niggers talk about antifags chimping being a major cause for people buying guns. During the panic dudes were joking about denying people wearing even just Bernie '16 shirts not a full blown black/red getup.
+--- 57998371
+>>57998204
+If you're in a city and not actively raiding a target, greyman and minimal kit are wiser. If you are actively engaging a target then wear whatever kit you need.
+--- 57998645
+>>57987701
+homie's got some cheeks
+--- 57998674
+>>57987557 (OP)
+>Did they ruin it for normal people?
+No this is never a problem for normal people because they don’t go all black.
+--- 57998739
+>>57995417
+>the one-armed Bandit
+a Home Alone tier name for a Home Alone tier criminal
+--- 57999067
+>>57998313
+>implying gun store owners are a large portion of gun owners
+--- 57999256
+>>57988869
+>yes, but dont. let the antifa faggots make themselves easily distinguishable. they even put brightly colored flags on top of their black "uniforms" to make it extra easy. 
+It's funny cause the whole idea behind the black bloc is that if everyone is wearing black, it's easy to get away with smashing shit cause no one will be able to pick you out among the hundreds of other people wearing black. These idiots are neutralizing their entire modus operandi, one that they came up, because they can't help but be attention whores.
+--- 57999311
+>>57988911
+>why ELSE do you think he was at a riot?
+There's a wide range of possible reasons. His extreme aggression filmed earlier in the night doesn't clearly mark him as suicidal, it just marks him as a psycho wigger thug wannabe. Rosenjew is the only truly interesting character from that night, because his motives and thought process are hard to pin down. Everyone else is pretty straightforward, even boring. 
+
+>Kyle
+muh blue line, muh communitah service
+
+>satanist jew burglar
+edgy fart-huffer who forgot his act was supposed to be edgy and not sincere. There's clones of him all over the far left
+
+>jumpkick nigger
+just a nigger nigging, nothing unusual
+
+>sk8er boi
+generic dumbass who wanted to get caught up in mob violence and succeeded a little too hard
+
+>rosenjew
+Baffling. Suicide is a strong possibility, but there's no real proof. Acted batshit insane every time he was caught on camera. Probably wanted to get caught up in mob violence, although he started it all up by himself without a mob to support him and paid the price. Also that backstory on him is really interesting. Raped as a child, became child rapist, 44 writeups in jail including for arson. Who the fuck tries to burn down the jail they are trapped in? The only really concrete thing we can say about him is he was looney tunes, but that's a very general explanation that doesn't get into the nitty-gritty of his looney tunes mind.
+
+I really wish we could get a play-by-play of what was going on in his head
+
+>>57996406
+>retarded methhead
+True but far too reductionist
+--- 57999343
+>>57996406
+>defend
+
+explaining someones motivations is not defending them.
+--- 58000509
+>>57990633
+we hate both of you
+--- 58001102
+>>57987613
+Black and grey or black/FDE work just fine, blue also works
+>>57998204
+All black sticks out everywhere including at night
+--- 58001131
+>>57990658
+>why do you stupid idiot rednecks keep voting against your own interests?!??
+--- 58001152
+>>57988950
+those patches are so gay
+--- 58001166
+>>57987557 (OP)
+wearing any kit in public makes you look like a dork, desu
+--- 58001292
+>>58001131
+Do you have a link to the article itself?
+--- 58001329
+>>57990613
+Don't think they were. It's a local Dallas/fort worth group known as the elm fork john brown gun club. They're on Twitter and mentioned on r/socialistra
+--- 58001370
+>>58001292
+Search transgender children on your own device, or just ask your nearest federal agent
+--- 58001404
+>>57988950
+>unprotected nods pointing directly in the direction of the sun
+--- 58001489
+>>57990658
+>Wouldn't take that bet. There's no money in leftwing politics. All the grifting and astroturfing money is showered on reactionary dipshits. We have a hard time even getting all our folks to show up to bimonthly SRA meetings
+I wish literally any of this was true, faggot bolshevic
+If it were, we wouldn't have BLM's leaders living in mansions, we wouldn't have a growing left-wing Youtube presence, and we most certainly wouldn't have lefty-dominated reddit.
+--- 58001521
+>>58001329
+Were they the ones standing armed guard at a drag kids dance party in Dallas? And if so, why are they still alive?
+--- 58001902
+>>58001489
+You don't think "Worker's Rights" means endless fag/tranny shit and a totally open border so (((billionaires))) can outsource labor for even cheaper?
+>lmao ok incel
+--- 58001921
+>>58001521
+>opposing molestation of children is fascist
+How does one become superfascist
+--- 58001958
+>>57987557 (OP)
+Fucking hell theyre so dysgenic even when blacked up. Knock knees, and either pencil arms/necks or obese.
+--- 58001969
+>>57990633
+No, all socialists are evil, even when they fight.
+--- 58002071
+>>58001902
+If only we could have convinced the libs in 86 that the dream act was corporate propaganda to get cheaper labor
+--- 58002144
+>>58001521
+I don't know of the event ever being touted as specifically for kids
+--- 58002398
+>>57987557 (OP)
+Wear a Swastika in a red armband so people will know you're not an Antifaggot.
+--- 58002434
+>>57998301
+I'm pretty sure that pic is ancient, they probably all retired years before the recent conflict started.
+--- 58003668
+>>57987557 (OP)
+I'd dress as a white ninja just to look different from them while concealing my identity.
+--- 58003779
+>>57987557 (OP)
+You'll always be a larper
+--- 58004117
+>>57988554
+That's not a man, baby.
+
+>>57988930
+Here's a thing to learn about cops: Cops don't like punks who don't like cops. Cops also like to arrest such punks. When said punks gather in crowds, cops can and do plant agent provocateurs in their ranks to escalate confrontations so they have an alibi to make arrests, but anarchist-type groups also go looking for confrontations with cops, so it's like cats and dogs really.
+
+Anarchists also live in their own inner world and believe getting into it with cops will suddenly "wake people up" about the cops being meanies. But realistically, a lot of people, when they see a cop hitting someone with a nightstick, will think the guy probably did something to deserve it (even if he didn't), and sometimes he did do something to deserve it, so
+
+>>58001329
+Yeah they're locals. DFW is a metro area of six million people and those two groups have been feuding outside of drag shows (plenty of those in DFW too) for like two years or something. 
+
+>>57999256
+Yep. See, I think this is a form of "middle-class" radicalism, that comes out of a frustration with politics. That's what I would call it. They believe in their own little group that goes out and acts really "radical" (although it isn't, not really) and that's gonna "wake people up." But when people don't see what those guys are doing as operating on the level of their own understanding about politics or the world or reality in general, then that's evidence for the group that they just haven't put on enough patches, or reconfirms a belief that they're right and everyone else is wrong. Once this cycle sets in, it's impossible to escape from it. It happens in left and right groups.
+
+Also I think it's particularly common (to the extent that this is actually common) among people from a middle-class background. Say what you will about BLM, but blacks tend to move en masse when they move politically.
+
+>>58003668
+You could do a Grammaton Cleric look.
+--- 58004204
+>>57991916
+>The truth that both /k/ and /fa/ alike don't want to accept is that looking good in any clothing comes down to looking good naked.
+I read this in Duke Nukem's voice.
+--- 58004347
+>>58001902
+83 billion. What the fuck did they use it for?
+--- 58004373
+>>57990658
+>We have a hard time even getting all our folks to show up to bimonthly SRA meetings.
+Well that's not a surprise. I dunno. What's the point? I get having a gun club for a bunch of noodle-armed leftists is a novel idea and, at the level of shooting sports, might even build some confidence. But it's not really accomplishing anything, politically speaking. It's not like organizing a union at a warehouse (or even a Starbucks). And you know there's a lot of guys who work in warehouses who own guns and like to go shoot them, right?
+
+So, I get the feeling that the formula for what's going on here is this: here are some young men who got "radicalized" by Bernie Sanders and they like guns (plenty of guys do) and they want to get together with like-minded guys to shoot guns (it's a fun way to spend a Saturday) and they have left-wing politics (more of that nowadays), but it's like... the politics is a rationalization here for just doing what you already wanted to do anyways. Basically a hobby.
+
+But to actually accomplish something politically, you have to do stuff that you don't wanna do, and it's going to be boring and involve a lot of drudgery and uncomfortable compromises. On the other hand, that's how we got Social Security and the eight-hour workday and a bunch of stuff that Americans now take for granted. I can tell you anyways that, politically speaking, that's different from what those antifa guys outside the drag show in Fort Worth are doing.
+
+BTW: You know who else was from Fort Worth?
+
+https://youtu.be/bHzov33tgfg [Embed]

k/57987595.txt

@@ -104,3 +104,410 @@ Yeah yeah we've all heard the story before
 One of you perfidious Swedes snuck up on him in a dark alley
 He pulled a pistol and said "I think not!"
 and then he disappeared
+--- 57991922
+Good 7.62 K Can? 
+Was looking at Rugged's Micro30, buit read it only has 2-3 baffles.
+--- 57992341
+>>57989978
+I literally just picked up Hatcher's Notebook and he has a whole chapter on this specific subject. I'll have to give it a better read, but from what I remember:
+Due to the moving mass not absorbing much of the actual recoil upon firing, and instead moving independently from the rest of the gun, a semi-auto gun's perceived recoil can be much higher than a bolt action *of the same weight*
+A 17lb BAR has half the felt recoil of a 9lb Springfield firing the same bullet. But a 17lb BAR with its bolt locked would have significantly less recoil than a standard BAR.
+Bullet fires, gun hits shoulder, bolt unlocks and also hits shoulder.
+The reasoning is weird, but most noticable with early pistols. You have to take the reciprocating mass out of the equation. A revolver will kick much less than a 1911 that weighs the same and shoots the same bullet. A semi-auto 9lb gun with a 4lb bolt will recoil like a 5lb gun. A bolt action of the same weight will recoil like a 9lb gun. If you've ever gotten the chance to fire a pistol with a slide-lock, it's ridiculous how little recoil it actually has.
+This discounts the next 70 years of arms development though, new gas piston systems and springs and recoil mitigation tech means that a properly tuned system should have almost no recoil. And since Semi-Auto guns are almost always heavier than bolt actions even without the BCG, the recoil is reduced even further.
+>TL;DR: a light bolt action in .308 will have significantly more recoil than an AR-10. A light AR-10 (SFAR) will have more recoil than a standard DPMS AR-10, but only if both gas systems are tuned identically
+--- 57992396
+>>57992341
+>still tl;dr revolvers will always be king
+--- 57992460
+Good morning sirs!
+--- 57992511
+>>57992396
+>Off-topic
+I like revolvers for innawoods carry, but that makes up maybe 5% of my life if I'm lucky. I pocket carry 100% of the time outside of winter, and there's no revolver on the planet as thin as a single stack semi in the same caliber. I would love a daily CCW revolver but they're just not great for that in the modern age compared to modern guns. Add in a holster and some small revolvers are almost as wide as they are tall.
+>inb4 muh reliability, I've put thousands of rounds through my Shield without a single hiccup and maybe 3 cleanings
+--- 57992559
+>>57992511
+Yeah. I'm just baggin' on sliders. The best I've found are the SW Airweight series and they will never be slim. The 317 is the most imperceptible, but ...peep, peep. I'm oc anyway.
+--- 57992681
+>>57989066
+It's the best visual evidence I have access to. If you want to prove that twink wrong, make an hour long youtube video that chronicles your 3,000 round count and experience with your Aero Precision, I mean rifle. Trex twink didn't even reach his planned 5,000 rounds when the gun fell apart at 3,000. 
+
+By the way, my FAL's round count is now at 2,200. My AR at 800 and my AK at 1,600. Took 6years but I'm getting there. Imagine if I had bought an Aero instead of a FAL. Boy, I sure would be mad.
+--- 57992786
+>>57989978
+>How is the perceived recoil of an AR10 in .308 with a rifle buffer relative to a bolt action rifle in .308?
+Better on a bolt action. Mine has a brake and 24" barrel so when the bullet leaves the barrel, all the gases are burnt up, not to mention it weighs relatively less, in the 8 1/2 range. On a bench with a bipod my bolt action barely moves. Less capacity also means less weight. Usually, I use 2 5round mags, unless I want to meme on boomers.
+--- 57992794
+Where the absolute fuck can I find a metric pattern FAL in Europe without buying an STG58 and its ugly ass handguard
+--- 57992803
+>>57991332
+>Sako is right now the most elite European gun maker. I bet their AR's would be up there with DD and LMT
+Careful, if you like something too much with a reputation and history of quality products, people will start calling you a shill. Better blend in better with the zoomers and needlessly shit on stuff, without evidence to back up your claims.
+--- 57992957
+>>57991922
+Nice rifles anon. Simple, but you clearly had a pattern and color scheme in mind. Love Lancer mags, might not be the most durable, but they work and look cool. 
+
+>Was looking at Rugged's Micro30, buit read it only has 2-3 baffles.
+I wouldn't trust anything that isn't; Silencerco, B&T, or Surefire. 3 Baffles is pretty much the standard for short Silencers. Other stuff I'm looking into like OSS and YHM also have 3 baffles. If you're going to wait a year, plus tax plus tip for a Can, get a quality one.
+--- 57993004
+>>57992957
+>OSS
+Only think I am worried about with the single piece flow through cans is the issue of strikes. Since it's all 1 piece, do they just make a new one and Form 4 a new one for you with a 1 year wait?
+--- 57993012
+>>57991922
+>Good 7.62 K Can?
+The Enticer L-Ti and Hyperion are probably the best 30cal cans right now in raw performance, but both are pretty high backpressure as well so you need a platform that can handle that, and/or be prepared for more gasface.
+
+For shorter and much lower backpressure (though not super low, mid-tier) while still having solid performance, Helios QD and Anthem-S are worth looking at.
+
+If you're looking for lowest bp of all, the vented R30 does pretty well, and then the Anthem-K. Anthem-K gets a callout as well for only being 5.25" long if you care about that. You're losing a reasonable amount of suppression at this point but it's still vastly quieter than unsuppressed.
+
+If you want to wait a bit, everyone is really interested in if Hux is going to announce a 30cal version of its Flow 556k. That could be a really interesting option, and prototypes were seen last year. But who knows when exactly or what availability or actual final performance will be like.
+--- 57993067
+>>57993004
+>Only think I am worried about with the single piece flow through cans is the issue of strikes.
+I've got a hyperion on my BR for what it's worth. I did think about that, but alignment is pretty good these days and they said amongst all the civilian and government ones they've ever sold they've literally never seen a bafflestrike. End cap strikes yes, but that is trivial to replace even for the user. But the precision of the 3d laser sintered stuff is so high and a single piece means nothing is ever out of alignment that as a practical matter it's apparently just not an issue.
+>Since it's all 1 piece, do they just make a new one and Form 4 a new one for you with a 1 year wait?
+It'll depend on the design. At least one place I honestly can't remember who said that technically it was two pieces with the serial numbered part being a shell/chunk on the bottom and that the core could be replaced without change that, so no new stamp. I think hux said they planned to move in that direction as well? Do your research I guess.
+
+But after running one for a while I don't worry about it. No baffles might make it harder to repair but also seems to reduce the chance of needing it. I'm ok with it for the performance. There are very good baffle options remaining though.
+
+And agree with other anon, nice gats btw.
+--- 57993126
+>>57993067
+thanks.
+I guess that does put my mind at ease a bit. Guess I'll keep an eye out for Hyperion and whatever Hux has in store. I'm not too anal about sound suppression since it's a game of give-and-take with size and all that, just something to put on my 16" AR10 to take the edge off.
+--- 57993235
+>>57992681
+Do you also reference John Money exclusively because it's the only thing you have backing up your freak behavior?
+--- 57993253
+>>57993126
+>Guess I'll keep an eye out for Hyperion and whatever Hux has in store. I'm not too anal about sound suppression since it's a game of give-and-take with size and all that, just something to put on my 16" AR10 to take the edge off.
+In that case do keep an eye for Hux, but don't go with the hyperion. It's when you're willing to go with something quite long and somewhat heavier for the absolute best performance. It's 9.5" long and 15.6oz. The Enticer-L is almost as good overall performance but 8.25" long and 10.5oz. I mean, I'm happy with my Hyperion but I'd probably choose the Enticer if I was buying today.
+
+But even more so don't ignore the backpressure, even if like me you've got quite a decent 6+pos AGB, lower backpressure is still always better all else being equal. No one likes face gas. Anthem-S and Helios QD both drop down to 6.5". They're heavier being steel (14oz/19oz) but are also tanks. Helios gets some credit for sheer flexibility, it come with end caps for 1.375x24, 5/8x24, and 1/2x28, so can attach to damn near anything.
+--- 57993272
+>>57993235
+>John Money
+Neat, didn't know that guy existed. Wiki article just gives you the basics on his life, not his ideal or angle. 
+>Do you also reference
+I don't know, maybe I would if I had actually read some of his work. Does he believe trannies are created when little boys are sexually molested? Then we might have a lot in common.
+--- 57993321
+>>57992460
+Blody benchod bech
+--- 57993346
+>>57993321
+Lado kha rundii
+--- 57993350
+>>57993272
+>Saying neat about that human cancer
+Wow, it's amazing how much of a piece of shit you are.
+--- 57993390
+beniss :D
+--- 57993429
+>>57993350
+>Saying neat about that human cancer
+Yeah, his research was neat. He proved what we've been saying all along. And his test subjects became part of the 41%. Pretty clear when you read his research and what he did, that he was a closeted homo, that died at an old age without wife and kids. What does that have to do with battle rifles though?
+--- 57993574
+>>57993429
+>his research was neat
+There is nothing neat about what that subhuman scum did to those kids you worthless trash.
+--- 57993598
+>>57993574
+Why are you so butthurt? You're the one that told me to go read up on him. Shouldn't ask for people's opinions if you can't handle them.
+--- 57993657
+>>57992794
+>midcentury modern industrial styling is ugly
+--- 57993670
+I REALLY REALLY want that SAKO M23
+I'll fucking clone it if I have to
+--- 57993699
+>>57993670
+Beg beretta
+--- 57993767
+>>57993390
+I like it but upgrade to combloc handgun. Glockbloc does not fit in with the aesthetic.
+--- 57993854
+>>57993767
+The only combloc handgat I have is a tokarev and it's too old topair with a modern tigr.
+--- 57993895
+Good thread theme
+--- 57993929
+Have a bunch of little tweaky/polishy things arriving at last in a few days I'm looking forward to> They had some spring sale so decided to try some of those gunskins that got posted. Not really ready to go all the way on permanent cerakote or hydro, so for $40 kinda curious how a skin will look, see what ideas it gives me. Also ordered one of those scope honeycombs which brg pointed out to me, kinda excited for that since I've been annoyed shooting over water and snow. Finally indulged in grabbing a few fancy mags. Looks like it's gonna be kind of a rainy weekend here but I'm sure I'll find some windows.
+--- 57993970
+>>57993670
+Its just a LMT MWS
+--- 57994483
+>>57993670
+Semi-auto versions are in the works. They might export them if deemed worth the hassle
+--- 57994588
+>>57993854
+Agreed, which begs the question, what new commie gun to buy tgat fits? You now have a good reason to buy another gun. Also, what would best pair?
+--- 57994601
+>>57993895
+Nice composition!
+--- 57994613
+>>57993929
+>Not really ready to go all the way on permanent cerakote or hydro
+I feel like Brownell's Alumahide is underrated.
+--- 57994636
+>>57994588
+With a modern tigr I'd like to buy pic rel (or a grach) but they're impossible to find now and quite shit in quality. For the other svd I'm looking to find a stechkin as it was often paired with SVDs in the cechen war for room clearing.
+--- 57994774
+>>57994636
+Thx, interesting. I am totally out of the loop on modern commie handguns.
+--- 57995423
+So my PTR started double feeding more than it did when it was breaking in, it actually got better before it got this bad.
+It's around once per mag now.
+Bolt gap was fine last time I measured it and I am using random mags from about 20.
+Is this bolt carrier wear normal?
+--- 57996485
+can anyone tell me what scope it is?
+--- 57996543
+I like 8mm Mauser battle rifles, I just think they’re neat.
+--- 57996969
+>>57995423
+Double feeding on a casing that didn't extract after firing is more of a bolt head problem than a bolt carrier problem, and specifically more of an extractor problem. Inspect this piece along with the rest of the bolt head and face. Does it seem like it's damaging the rim of the cartridge stuck in the chamber when it fails to extract it?
+--- 57996970
+>>57992341
+>>57992786
+Thank you gentlemen. My bolt action .308 is 3.5lb and I was going to build an AR10 specifically designed to be a bit heavy, more than 10lb at least to try and absorb some recoil. The bolt action rifle I have mauls my shoulder and I was hoping an AR10 would be easier. I'll probably finish out my build and see how it feels. Any idea how barrel length will affect recoil as well? Like 18" or 20" with a suppressor relative to a 24" or 26" unsuppressed?
+--- 57997008
+>>57996970
+Faxon heavy barrels are heavy
+--- 57997062
+>>57996970
+There's a chart for it I think, I'll take some pictures and post them here when I get out of work
+--- 57997074
+>>57996970
+>My bolt action .308 is 3.5lb 
+
+Jesus, mine is like 13lbs and still bruises my smallest friend when fired a few times in succession.
+--- 57997312
+>>57997074
+I'm 5'9" and 140lb so my shoulder is pretty sore after a range day yeah. Was honestly thinking of just selling it but I have a bunch of .308 and figured if my AR10 malfunctions or fails and I can't get another it's not a bad idea to keep one manual action gun around.
+
+>>57997062
+You're the best thanks
+
+>>57997008
+Will look into this as well.
+--- 57997353
+>>57996970
+>My bolt action .308 is 3.5lb
+>3.5lb
+I call bullshit. There's no way it weighs that little. Proof, or could you tell the class what your bolt action is so we can check online? I've heard of carbon fiber 16" bolt action rifles weighing as little as 5.5lbs. 3.5lbs? That's just sus.
+--- 57997399
+>>57997353
+https://www.tikka.fi/en-us/rifles/tikka-t3x/t3x-lite
+My bad it's 6.3 lb. The 3.5lb is the trigger pull
+--- 57997420
+>>57997399
+Add scope weight, and weight of any other accessories. Grams add up to ounces, which add up to pounds
+--- 57997426
+>>57997399
+Part of me is sad you didn't discover some space age metal manufacturing that could weigh as little as 3.5lb and still hold a .308 explosion.
+--- 57997438
+>>57997420
+Damn boy she THICC. Ungf
+--- 57997490
+>>57997420
+All I'm running is an optic so it's not much heavier than 8lb or so. Actually seems an AR10 won't be THAT much heavier unless I specifically load it up with crap to weigh it down.
+
+>>57997426
+I wish, I'd get a 5.56 lever action in this magic metal.
+--- 57997728
+>>57997420
+The whole point of the Lite is that it's a lightweight rifle, why stick a bunch of garbage on it
+--- 57997872
+>>57997420
+Ye
+--- 57997909
+>>57993970
+>IT'S JUST THIS AMERICAN GUN WHICH ISN'T BEING SOURCED OR CONSIDERD BY FINLAND OR SWEDEN
+lmao
+>>57994483
+The DMR version would implicitly be semi auto only I thought?
+--- 57997972
+>>57997909
+There's a dedicated sniper version and a DMR version, I think the DMR version might even have FA. I don't remember too well
+--- 57998058
+>>57997972
+Why do you and that guy care so much about a rifle from a country that's never been in a war? Just get an LMT, ADM or DD in .308 and it'll be 99% similar.
+--- 57998103
+>>57997420
+>always a fat bridesmaid 
+>never a fat bride
+And this after weightloss therapy.
+--- 57998132
+>>57992794
+You don't mean that anon
+--- 57998136
+>>57997872
+>measuring your rifle's weight in cunts
+--- 57998148
+>>57997909
+>piston driven monolithic upper 
+Yes
+--- 57998613
+>>57996485
+No but I can tell you that is a super hot gat.
+--- 57998646
+Where to buy cheap 308/7.62 NATO?
+Everything I see is stupid expensive.
+>inb4 just buy milsurp 
+Give me specific websites cunts
+--- 57998855
+>>>NEW<<<< Mail what you want for the SAR bulk order to Lubeanon, check their catalog, if you don't find what you want there, try mailing him anyway
+>mail [email protected] and include your order-ID and order date to be included in the lube mailing list for news, updates, questions etc. [BETA TESTER LIST IS FULL]
+>lube available via Moka's shop, by /k/ommandos, for /k/ommandos
+CURRENTLY OUT OF STOCK COME ON AMERICAN POSTAL SERVICE DO YOUR JOB
+>I'm not Lubeanon
+
+Reminder that SAR G3s will get you
+>sub 1 MOA
+http://www.sar-shop.de/epages/61028398.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61028398/Products/41.331
+>sub 0.5 in the DMR version
+http://www.sar-shop.de/epages/61028398.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61028398/Products/41.373
+>5 years guarantee
+>2 free check-ups
+>officially certified German master artisan (yes that's a thing) crafted weaponry
+>literally produced just 15 minutes away from the HK HQ
+>peerless reliability and unmatched quality
+>a gun that never even came CLOSE to grubby PTR hands
+>break in period? Are you gay? (/akg/ welcomes you)
+>trigger? Not shit!
+>the highest quality barrel
+>Polygonal rifling (none of that cheap L&G PTR shit) coldforged and stress free annealed in a vacuum by Lothar Walther (rip)
+>national marksman competition winning accuracy
+Don't want an old school battle rifle?
+How about something newer than the SCAR for only 3k?
+>the HK417 (aka MR308 in the civilian version, HK original, so feel free to post better deals or deals in your region) is also available at SAR
+>precision, reliability, operator level gear and the ability to dunk on SCARfags*
+All that and more, only at SAR with worldwide shipping.**
+Buy SAR, buy quality.***
+
+*pls no spergerino SCARfrens we still love you
+**American import restrictions apply, blame your local governor/president
+***currently out of stock due to christmas sales and SARnon snagging up one of the last
+--- 57998872
+>>57998855
+Lübeanon, widely renowned for providing the best lube around for /k/commandos by far, stepped up and offered to just proxybuy and ship them through Korbo's LLC in Arizona, he was offered an extra cut for his services but refused and preferred to do it for free. Buy some of his lube if you need a refill though.
+>what does that mean for me?
+Cheap European parts probably this winter INCLUDING PIC RELATED
+
+Already got a PTR or intend to get one soon?
+Want SAR quality for your G3 clone but live under a tyrannical government that colludes with your gun lobby to restrict imports in any way possible?
+How about a high quality 1900g pull weight G3 match trigger for 400 bucks?
+http://www.sar-shop.de/epages/61028398.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61028398/Products/41.1013
+>not a refurbished old G3 trigger, actually a fresh product from their own production
+>all new parts, nothing recycled
+>long development to ensure quality that matches the rest of the M41 (SAR G3 clone)
+>triggerstop customizable to your taste
+>crisp break
+>completely SAR made from start to finish
+>high production quality, top quality surface treatment, finely CNC'd
+>improved spring
+>production via the highly accurate machines of SAR (it doesn't say whether machines refers to the actual machines or Germans here)
+>Black Rheinmetall finish over a corundum blazed surface (wow!)
+>No flimsy plastic
+>large precision increase if you have any idea how to shoot
+
+Get fucked HK Parts.
+--- 57998956
+>>57998148
+Can they fit onto a DPMS GII/SF AR-10 lower?
+--- 57999236
+>>57998956
+The SAKO & LMT are Armalite/SR25 cut so no
+--- 57999407
+>>57998646
+I don't think it's rude or gatekeeping to say being into battle rifles requires a certain degree of independence and intelligence, nor do I think begposting is on the correct side of this criteria.
+--- 57999472
+>>57998646
+>Where to buy cheap 308/7.62 NATO? Everything I see is stupid expensive.
+Get into a time machine and buy in 2016
+>Give me specific websites cunts
+Step 1: Go to ammoseek 
+Step 2: click on or type .308/7.62x51mm Ammo
+Step 3: click modify search and set shipping costs to >8 
+Step 4: buy the ammo with the lowest price per round
+--- 57999595
+Here's a weird one. I went shooting with my PTR today, and had a few boxes of Winchester white box. Half of them triggered the magnet the range used to check for steel. Has this happened to any of you guys before? It's just such a bizarre thing.
+--- 57999619
+>>57998613
+would be even hotter in bakelite
+--- 57999633
+>>57999407
+>begposting
+Good one.
+>>57998646
+Tacticalshitdolcom, 77cpr.
+--- 57999645
+>>57999619
+Or carbon graphite? The wood is n
+--- 57999665
+>>57996485
+I-Is that a bullpup M1A?!?
+--- 57999756
+>>57987595 (OP)
+Will a Aero M5 eat that blue German training plastic ammo or do I need a special bolt like the G3?
+--- 57999779
+>>57997909
+It's just a generic piston ar-10 though, why do you want it so badly?
+--- 57999827
+>>57999645
+*ice
+--- 57999828
+>>57999779
+Why do "milsurp collectors" pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for "rare" versions of mass-produced military rifles
+--- 57999836
+>>57999828
+collecting is a mental illness
+--- 57999841
+>>57999828
+Millions and millions, am I right?
+--- 58000708
+anyone shooting tomorrow?
+--- 58000907
+>>58000708
+Gonna zero a new 308 build this weekend
+--- 58001296
+>>57996485
+found in higher res
+--- 58001297
+>>57999595
+The NATO specifications for ball ammunition allow for both traditional gilding metal only alloys as a jacket as well as bimetal steel jackets. Some countries/manufacturers use bimetal, others don’t. Most American made M80 has bimetallic jackets IIRC.
+--- 58001680
+>>58000708
+Shooting myself because I didn't finish work after 13h today so I have to come in tomorrow at 6am for my 13th 12h+ day in a row.
+--- 58001700
+Quad rail upper should be here tomorrow, bros. I thought this build might take months to finish because of parts availability, but this has gone way faster than I anticipated. Now I just need to see how long it takes me to get a BCG.
+--- 58001799
+>>58001700
+Are you going for a full LMT build?
+--- 58001983
+>>58001799
+Yes.
+--- 58001989
+>>58001680
+maybe you should work better
+--- 58002019
+>>58001989
+Maybe everyone else should show up to work so I'm not doing everything B4 the deadline.
+--- 58002448
+>>58002019
+why show up if they don't? you're getting prisoner's dilemma'd
+--- 58002564
+>>58002448
+Cuz I'm working on the big bosses house, can't lose the contract.
+--- 58002793
+>>57998058
+Because it pisses off the kind of ARfag who chimps out at everything not American made
+--- 58003014
+>>58002564
+ouch, good luck on that
+--- 58003200
+>>58001700
+similar to mine I'm working on. LMT MARS-H lower, quad upper, stainless 16" barrel. parts availability really sucks right now, I ended up getting a SOLGW branded BCG (made by LMT) because the LMT ones are out of stock everywhere at all their distributors it seems. anyways, cool rifle sir

k/57987851.txt

@@ -177,3 +177,62 @@ What's the point then? Average american rightoid is a braggart with no self disc
 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minutemen_(anti-Communist_organization)
 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minuteman_Civil_Defense_Corps
 If you want a PC brand for your informal organisation, Minutemen would be slightly less brilliant choice than Dirlewanger or Blackwater
+--- 57993426
+>>57991223
+Fuck, you're right. Wish those cunts didn't put public shame on the name. Still, the modern concept of American militias is very close to the idea of the Minutemen, the name would be a great fit but damn. Why does pc shit needs to seep in every aspect of stuff nowadays
+--- 57993458
+>>57988419
+I do not want to be mistaken for s fallout 4 LARPer sorry
+--- 57993673
+>>57988690
+>if you show up with enough people they will always listen to you and vote how you want them to>>57988690
+--- 57993783
+>>57987995
+HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA, make me you fucking fossil, cops didn't save us and defy their orders during the St. Fentanyl race riots why would they save us now?
+--- 57995032
+>>57988071
+You know how a heat seeker works?
+--- 57995069
+>>57988468
+Me (good guys) them (bad guys)
+--- 57995099
+Everything I hear the term "militia" I immediately think about that vice documentary about a "rightwing" militia in GA that claimed they were elite, and highly selective of their members and inducted a 300lbs diabetic into their org during the filming
+--- 57996867
+>>57987976
+Or an assistance league where you pick up trash and help your elderly neighbors take care of their houses and stuff. Identify it clearly as a right-wing organization but not specifically about guns. Then invite some of the guys to go shooting.
+--- 57996886
+>>57987851 (OP)
+You're thinking along the right lines. You want to maximize effectiveness while minimizing the chance of infiltration. I think 3-4 guys could pull off 90% of insurgent missions.
+--- 57998119
+>>57987995
+You must like the taste of leather.
+
+>>57987982
+Nobody asked
+
+>>57987851 (OP)
+There are plenty of manuals you could cite for your question, but ultimately you would have to consider how many people you got, what gear they got, and what you can supply yourself and them, if anything
+--- 57998127
+>>57995099
+That was some laughable shit.
+Nothing more intimidating than a 400 pound 60 year old
+--- 57998140
+>>57996886
+Personally I'd say no more than 8 for most activity
+--- 58000714
+Why do I feel like there have been a lot of feds ITT?
+--- 58002195
+>>57988071
+Do you wanna turn beer night with your friends into a fed honeypot? That's how you turn beer night with friends into a fed honeypot.
+--- 58002208
+>>58000714
+it's been like that since this place became /nupol/
+--- 58002255
+Why so much emphasis on trying to purge glowies and stay below the radar?
+
+Seriously, I can't tell if you people want to defend your neighborhood or start a coup.
+--- 58003671
+>>57987851 (OP)
+Separate into a number of teams, making sure that every member knows (and as far as possible trusts) every other member of their team. In that situation the team leader should be obvious to everyone in the team and you can let them elect their own lead. If there's disagreement then let them run drills until they've figured it out. 
+
+That team leader needs to understand and respect that he's not an officer though. He doesn't hold a commission, and there isn't a nice corp of MPs to arrest anyone in his team who calls his ideas 'retarded' and knocks his teeth out with the butt of their rifle when he expects them to do something fatal without a very good reason. It's a very, very, very different kind of leadership and command compared to what you'd find in the military/police/etc. Let the team vote to change their leaders whenever they want, outside of combat at least.

k/57987922.txt

@@ -184,3 +184,83 @@ It's a sign that you need to get good with irons rather than fucking around tryi
 --- 57991130
 >>57990862
 They do
+--- 57991485
+>>57989478
+>narrative
+stopped reading here.
+--- 57992267
+>>57987922 (OP)
+>SIG
+That's your first, second and third problem.
+--- 57992899
+>>57987922 (OP)
+SIG was using plastic bodies and plastic lenses in their compact pistol red dot. Their thoughts was that it's cheap so if you scratch the lens just buy another one. Of course they want that.
+I don't buy SIG products. Even the legendary p226 isn't as good as a 2011. The p365 isn't any better than a Glock 43x and everything else they make should give you serious concerns over quality control and safety.
+Glock, HK, CZ and I suppose Walther are the brands I would trust a lot more than SIG.
+
+As for pistol optics, I hate having to admit that Holosun is probably where it's at for features, design and battery life. For rifle sights, buy American made though.
+--- 57992936
+>>57987922 (OP)
+>what the fuck?
+It's a 99.9998 match.
+--- 57996812
+>>57988043
+Bros, I'm tired of all this winning...
+--- 57998157
+>>57992936
+Heh
+--- 57998401
+>>57989180
+why even have sights on guns?
+--- 57998588
+>>57987960
+>Sig
+>expecting quality
+>it's made by holosun its the same
+And yet...
+--- 58001210
+>>57988043
+Reject modernity embrace tradition
+--- 58001231
+>>57988198
+RMR needs to be removed and re-zeroed to change the battery. They're fine optics sure (especially the CC) but some innovation is sorely needed
+And the ACRO is just a fucking disappointment all around tbqh
+--- 58001252
+>>57989180
+Wait no more.
+--- 58001275
+>>58001231
+Get a laser and rezero the sight with it? Or just actually use your gun and resight it at the range like everyone who isn't a queer does?
+--- 58001280
+>>57989478
+Too based for nu/k/ as you can see by the replies
+--- 58001321
+>>58001275
+You're missing the point. It's a design flaw that could (and should) have been fixed by now.
+>dur hur fag just buy new screws and mounts every time you strip or gall the threads durrr
+--- 58001541
+>>58001321
+Does it cost SIG less to fix it or less to warranty the ones that break? That's the only question SIG gives a shit to answer. Whether or not they could make it better for any reason other than short term sales is irrelevant to them.
+--- 58002065
+>>58001541
+And who owns SIG
+--- 58002070
+>>57987922 (OP)
+Iron sight gang where you at?
+--- 58002378
+>>57989187
+>Army MOS 92S
+I think that's the cherry on top for your post.
+--- 58002399
+>>57987960
+Buying anything sig 2022+1.... Realistically though prob just a long that slipped through quality control. I'd warranty it, sell it, and replace with holosun.
+--- 58002516
+>>57987922 (OP)
+Limpwristing it. Or may you used the wrong glue to mount it. Did you shoot against the wind? Sometimes (roughly 50% of total attempts) i get it mixed up and piss into headwind by mistake and it flies up and into my nose and mouth and makes my vintage army Ray-Ban glasses dirty. Maybe it's the same with bullets if you shoot into headwind and they flew back and hit your pistol scope on the magnifying glass. You should just be happy you didn't hit your own mouth or the bullet would turn your body to Mish that bounces all around the range. Have you checked if the glass is maybe expired the best by date? A lot of the time you can still eat it even after but it's good to check if it has gotten mushrooms or something? 
+I hope this helps anon. I'm just happy to hear I'm not the only rifle noob on this chatroom. Maybe you can fix it by unscrewing the glue and rescrewing it as hard as you can back on. You should wait 10 mins for the gun to reset.
+I'm not gonna ask if you dropped the thing or if bought chinkshit airshit with glass composed of cat litter and chinkistan imitation silicate mixes. Haha. Only a complete fucking idiot would mount an instrument containing delicate crystalline components on a mechanism that literally contains and directs a pressurized conflagration and expect it to not fucking break if it was shittily made. Haha. And only a fucking mongoloid would drop his gun on the ground. Even dumdums like me never fuck up as spasticularly as that. 
+
+Also what the fucks wrong with your carpet? Did your dog piss on it several times for every sqf?
+--- 58002541
+>>58001541
+They feel nice in the palm and shooting with a p226 personally fit to you feels as natural as pointing a finger, what more do you need?

k/57988132.txt

@@ -114,3 +114,189 @@ If you mean the first gun that I had, then an Izh-38 airgun.
 >>57991136
 >airgun
 Doesn't count eurofag
+--- 57991885
+>>57988132 (OP)
+Pic rel at 18.
+--- 57991977
+>>57990645
+I hate the fact no one bothers posting glocks anymore. As if it was any more or less common than any USP or Beretta or else.
+--- 57992555
+>>57988132 (OP)
+First gun given to me was a Winchester model 320 I got for 12th birthday. First one I bought was a Bulgarian Makarov the next year, got it for $70 at a gun show in 2001.
+--- 57992764
+>>57990108
+based stoic
+--- 57994856
+>>57988524
+Excellent taste
+--- 57995243
+>>57988170
+What gauge?
+--- 57995253
+>>57988132 (OP)
+My dad bought this for me back when they were maybe 80 bucks.
+--- 57995278
+>>57995243
+12
+--- 57995340
+>>57995278
+Cool, I inherited one in 16 that looks almost exactly the same
+--- 57995370
+>>57991095
+>>gee, I hope my image doesn't rotate and make me look retarded
+I have bad news, anon...
+But it is a nice SKS.
+--- 57995412
+I used to have a G2C Taurus just for home defense purposes when I used to live and work in a bustling city. Had to sell it, I'm looking to buy a Glock 19 soon which I'll use in gun ranges. I really miss my handgun.
+--- 57995455
+My first gun ever was a m&p 9 shield, after I finally moved somewhere where I can not only own guns but carry them too
+--- 57995473
+>>57988132 (OP)
+My first was my Ithaca Mag-10 that my nana gave me. It was originally purchased by my dad, then sold to my papaw after my older brother was born and he needed the money. After my papaw died it was part of his estate so my nana gave it to me since my dad really shouldn't have a gun in the house. It's a fucking hoss, definitely not an ideal first shotty. 32 inch full choke barrel chambered in of course 10ga magnum. At least it's a semi-auto so the recoil could be worse, but God it is expensive to feed.
+--- 57995562
+>>57988132 (OP)
+When I was 6 dad bought me the New England Firearms Pardner 410 shotgun on the bottom. Then when I was 11 he got me my marlin model 60 there in the middle. Those 2 guns shaped my whole upbringing in the world of firearms. Practicing 1000s of rounds of fundamentals through that 22 made me the marksman I am now (I have placed in multiple international precision marksman competitions both in the army and civilian side). But the first gun I bought for myself is the gp wasr 10-63 underfolder there. It's trunnion dated 1970. I will never part with these 3 guns. Many guns have come and many guns have gone, but those base 3 are the one's that I hold the most nostalgia and sentimental value for. I have lived and nearly died by this ak, that shotgun and 22 I've harvested more game than I have fingers and toes. Love guns. Even though dad turned out to be a real shit (serious alcoholic and grossly abusive) he did instill in me a love for firearms and marksmanship I'll take to my grave.
+--- 57995575
+>>57995473
+that;s a fucking corvette son you better take care of that. I would do bad things for that shotgun
+--- 57995660
+only surviving picture of my pps m2
+what an absolute crock of shit
+I thought i was a fucking imbecile shooter because i couldn't hit shit with this fucking thing and i didnt even have the confidence to take the absurdly easy conceal carry license exam.
+
+turns out the gun is just ass and the moment i got a real gun i wasn't shooting like a fucking neanderthal anymore.
+--- 57995699
+>>57995473
+Here's a target me, my brother, and one of my buddies fucked up from about 10 yards at an indoor range. They normally want you to buy their ammo to use on the range there, but they didn't have any 10ga to sell me so they inspected what I brought in. They wouldn't let me shoot slugs because the were worried about them damaging the edges between the bullets traps for each lane. They said no to 00 buck for the same reason which is how I knew the guy was retarded since the pellets aren't any bigger for 10ga there's just more of them. So the only thing they would let me shoot just so happened to be the most punishing, 2 1/4oz magnum turkey loads. Lots of masochistic fun, we only did four shots each so didn't quite get bruised up. The other holes were from my brothers S&W Bodyguard .380 we were testing out.
+--- 57995712
+>>57995660
+What's wrong with the pps? Was it just too hard to shoot for a newfag?
+--- 57995837
+>>57995712
+it has 6 rounds single stack, absolutely no possibility of accessories, and tries to fly out of your hands. I thought 9mm was some kind of cannon round when i fired that thing and im pretty sure it made me develop a massive flinch.
+The "good" trigger that is it's only positive is actually bad for a brand new shooter. It was super crisp and i think it was pre-cocked, so shit like glocks and sigs just did not fucking work for me until after i sold it and just re-trained my brain.
+Basically the time i spent with that gun did not count at all towards my progress. I was permanently bad with it and would only improve until i got rid of it.
+--- 57996055
+>>57995837
+Should have started with a bigger pistol I guess - yes smaller guns are harder to control and learn on but it's a Walther ffs. I wasn't even aware of this, I would have picked it up, but I already have a single stack tiny carry
+--- 57996193
+>>57988132 (OP)
+--- 57996899
+>>57991148
+It does if you live in New Jersey.
+Those fuckers classify air guns as "firearms" and they are thus regulated the same. Just thought I'd let you know in case you thought NJ wasn't enough of a shithole.
+--- 57996919
+>>57995253
+Nice Anon. How's it shoot?
+--- 57997017
+>>57988132 (OP)
+
+First long gun:
+M&P15 optics ready… what a rip at $1099 , still had to buy a set of Troy irons and then had to buy a replacement yankee hill gas block and vtac rail to make it a normal AR. Oh yeah and a cucked semi auto bcg and 1/9 twist.
+--- 57997046
+>>57988253
+>Ruger 10/22 takedown
+Its a gun that splits in half, I wonder what could be the problem?
+--- 57997076
+>>57992555
+They sold a 13 year old a Makarov? Got damned gunshow loophole
+--- 57997099
+>>57988132 (OP)
+First gun I bought for myself was a Sig Sauer P226 basic bitch Nitron. To this day it is the semi-auto pistol I am most accurate with, more so than a 1911. It is my bedside home defense weapon. It has only failed to go bang twice; both times were because of a dud round (multiple strikes failed to fire them both). When I bought it I was such a gun noob I didn't know the story behind the gun (military service history, etc.). I just knew it felt good in my hands and I could shoot it well; better than the other guns I rented at the range. The store was having a sale at the time and I picked it up for the almost criminally low price of 600 dollary doos.
+
+I had a couple of bb-guns as a child, but I couldn't even tell you what models they were; though I do remember they were .177 caliber. I remember buying the little milk carton of bb's as a kid and plinking cans in my back yard to while away the time. I miss that innocence and optimism. Every kid should have a bb gun, a big back yard, and cans to plink. God knows it would help them as adults to not hit the goddamn ceiling/floor/walls/equipment at the range.
+--- 57997179
+Bought this for 200 bucks 20 years ago. It's a Made in Spain piece of shit that kicks empty shells into your forehead. It now has a Wilson Combat mag to guarantee 40% reliability.I will never get rid of it.
+--- 57997245
+>>57988132 (OP)
+--- 57998676
+>>57996899
+Thanks anon, I will continue not living there
+--- 57998700
+>>57990176
+looks good
+--- 57998712
+I dont own any firearms but I tell everyone to buy a 5.7 or 10mm.
+
+no verification needed.
+--- 57998737
+>>57997179
+Fuck with the ejector and extractor
+--- 57998772
+>>57997046
+Is that a thing it does now? Fuck, glad I sold it and plan to buy a standard.
+
+>captcha: p00m02
+
+Kek
+--- 57998982
+>>57990108
+Why are they 1k still. Feels bad man
+--- 57998997
+>>57990176
+Based. Also my first gun.
+--- 57999019
+>>57988132 (OP)
+--- 57999028
+>>57994856
+Here's my 2nd
+--- 57999050
+>>57988412
+>22lr/20ga
+wtf thats awesome
+--- 57999073
+>>57991110
+I've been wanting this setup since i was like 13. How is it?
+--- 57999546
+>>57990543
+44 shells once fully loaded.
+Might add 2 picatinny shell holders to the sides for a total of 56. I scare myself
+--- 57999557
+>>57999546
+Groovy
+--- 57999693
+Crazy neighbor threatened to kill everyone in my house, so I decided to get a gun. I went out and bought a gun the next day from a calguns listing. Back then, c&r long guns in CA didn't need a back ground check. I don't remember how much I paid, at this point, M44s were already getting pricier. I think I paid 150 to the dude in mid 2012.
+I sold it a while after due to ejection issues, and because nuggets were not very good HD guns. I've bought many nuggets since though.
+--- 57999839
+>>57988132 (OP)
+First gun I ever bought was a mossberg 500. I had to sell it to afford to move after my divorce.
+--- 57999861
+>>57990176
+what is?
+--- 57999865
+>>57999546
+nah that's a good idea. Post results.
+--- 57999900
+>>57998982
+Maybe one day the price will come down.
+--- 57999913
+>>57999900
+Hopefully your digits are powerful enough to make that happen
+--- 58000442
+>>57999900
+It will only increase in price as hk continues to shit the bed
+--- 58000967
+One of a couple uhh.. gifts I got from a girl at work after I clocked her in and saved her job after some bs from management. Her boyfriend had won it from a Ducks Unlimited raffle, said hes a shitty shot anyways kek.
+Id argue its a damn near perfect piece, especially for cc.
+--- 58000978
+>>57988132 (OP)
+A Glock 19 and a Daniel Defense RIS 3 M4
+--- 58001046
+>>57990108
+Based and mommy-pilled
+--- 58001088
+>>57996919
+I only ever fired it one time.
+It seemed nice enough.
+I got one of the rare good ones that doesn't require a 2x4 and a mallet to cycle the bolt.
+The serial numbers are also all matching.
+--- 58002443
+My first gun ever was technically a .22 long rifle, but it was really just my dad's old gun that he let me keep in my room. Picrel was the first gun that was actually "mine."
+--- 58002536
+>>57999693
+who's the fluffy fren anon? It's rude not to introduce it to us.
+--- 58002552
+A spanish Eibar shotgun in 16ga, very elegant actually
+--- 58002790
+taurus judge.
+heh

k/57989273.txt

@@ -55,3 +55,150 @@ The spacecraft from which they drop would out-range anti-air missiles both in sp
 Stoke Space's upper stage is similar to that, albeit smaller.
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=812xKz9pcnU [Embed]
+--- 57991570
+>>57990881
+Damn how many space startups are there. But also neat.
+--- 57991667
+>>57989273 (OP)
+It makes sense if you have a hypersonic aircraft that is cruising really fast and really high and you really needed this airborne operation to start in 90minutes or less.
+
+The pod would be to protect the paratroopers from 1000mph wind.
+
+Otherwise it has the same drawback as an airborne operation where if you can land the aircraft it is safer to do that.
+--- 57991670
+>>57989273 (OP)
+dropping something like a large cargo glider with a lot of troops seems more sensible as you quickly get a lot of men in one place, at least if infantry in general is usable in any way. an even more effective option is likely precision orbital bombardment though as it is much simpler and likely more effective
+--- 57991672
+>>57989273 (OP)
+>paratroopers but many, many times more expensive
+>only use case is where normal paratroopers wouldn't be able to insert deep enough so they're even more risky to employ
+no not really
+--- 57991682
+>>57990791
+>but sending in a small number of scattered, unsupported men with small arms and hand grenades will only result in those men getting surrounded and taken out
+Only if you use them like a moron and not as a recon, harassing and special force. War is not a video game where you count down enemy tickets.
+--- 57991709
+>>57990820
+>Bombard cities from orbit
+>Enemy is still fine because bunkers protect against literally everything including nuclear meteors
+>Enemy now has higher defender morale and an ethnic grudge to never surrender
+There are practical reasons why your strategy is ineffective and as a bonus you're now a war criminal.
+--- 57991730
+>>57991709
+>conventional warfare is confined to strategically important civilian-inhabited locations
+Orbital bombardment wins.
+--- 57991731
+>>57991672
+>but many, many times more expensive
+But are they really? Is an aerodynamic pod with a chute and braking rockets that much more expensive than a few dozen parachutes? Is a hypersonic glide aircraft that can't be shot down that much more expensive than a subsonic aircraft that can't get there in time and gets shot down with the loss of a crew of pilots, airmen and the paratroopers that didn't reach the drop zone?
+--- 57991740
+>>57991730
+I'm sure you'll take the colony of 20,000 in two weeks of bombardment.
+--- 57991744
+>>57990860
+Not like meteors are an everyday thing, the signatures coming down are pods and will be shot down.
+--- 57992326
+>>57991740
+Don't need to. It'll be the marine's problem after the navy has gotten them there and will protect them from any relief efforts.
+--- 57992364
+>>57990570
+Obligatory not him, but >>57989430 's images are from Astronautix iirc, there used to be an archive at modernmechanix.com but you'd have to use the internet archive to browse it now, if it was even archived. 
+Heres something a bit more grounded in reality but still got that "War OF THE FUTURE" vibe.
+--- 57992395
+>>57989273 (OP)
+Just launch them from cannons
+--- 57992841
+>>57992364
+>Integrated claymore mine skirt
+Nice
+--- 57993173
+>>57991744
+I think air superiority might be a prereq for safe insertion operations.
+--- 57993193
+On earth, there would be no advantage over airborne paratroopers. 
+
+The pods themselves would be too expensive to build and deploy at scale.
+--- 57993259
+>>57989273 (OP)
+Special ops shit, spy insertion, or during a very niche situation like during an active coordinated assault and you need some troops in certain areas to disrupt shit.
+--- 57994626
+>>57989273 (OP)
+If you were trying to take a planet you had no forces on its kind of required unless you would want to risk a whole transport/war ship capable of shuttling on and off a planet.
+--- 57994845
+>>57990636
+>hot and fast orbital entry
+>heavy payload
+>heavy mechanized forces and firepower
+>pack enough resupply to support sustained action in the drop zone
+without trying to derail the thread over mechs, that pretty much describes battletech dropships
+--- 57995422
+>>57991570
+Estronaut did a tour of their facility a while ago, their design is pretty interesting. Particularly the regeneratively cooled heatshield.
+
+https://youtu.be/EY8nbSwjtEY [Embed]
+--- 57997988
+>>57991730
+You just drop troops to take out ground to space supergun emplacements to make your bombardments cheaper.
+--- 57998002
+>>57997988
+>You just drop troops to take out ground to space supergun emplacements
+why wouldn't you just drop bombs instead
+--- 57998010
+>>57990740
+>hmmm this looks shitty must be AI art
+>reverse image search
+>"Air force illustrator" designed it by hand
+--- 57998029
+>>57989273 (OP)
+For drop pods? No. A one-way trip to a planetary insertion that can't offer support or supply is a good way to get your troops VDV'd.
+
+For dropships, yes, since they're basically trans-atmospheric helicopters.
+--- 57998126
+>>57989273 (OP)
+Clearing landing zones or ground to orbital defences/sensors/communications for your invasion force
+--- 57998235
+>>57994845
+I never understood why battletech is so light on space ship navys. You would figure naval ship supremacy would be more important than mechs since they can intercept them in flight.
+--- 57998375
+>>57998010
+even our mock ups are dogshit now
+--- 58000270
+>>57998235
+Lore is a lot heavier on space stuff, but gameplay is about big stompy mechs, so it focuses on them.
+--- 58000310
+>>57989273 (OP)
+yes. dropping in support for isolated groups and deployment of spec ops are two things that come to mind for the nearish future. however i doubt they'll be single-person pods for at least a while, and they'll require either dominance of the air, neutralization of things that could shoot them down, or be deployed alongside a lot of filler pods (maybe ones that deploy drones, or alongside missiles) to reduce losses.
+
+of course, the single most useful ability for drop-pods isn't for dropping troops, but supplies.
+--- 58000356
+>>57998235
+the warship was supreme up until ares conventions when people decided that ortillery was bad since it kept being used to commit genocide. amaris coup had the SLDF trying to liberate their own worlds so they wouldn't use it (while the republicans used it a lot), resulting in more ground battles. 1st and 2nd succ war had warships be the big boys again but those got whittled down and then eventually disappeared, ending up with space battles now being between only dropships and aerospace fighters, and while tech recovered eventually culturally it stayed.
+
+as as previous poster said, gameplay is all about ground warefare. warships being dominant means that doesn't happen.
+--- 58000455
+>>57998235
+They go into pretty good detail about why they don't have a big presence in the majority of the setting. Long and short of it, there's not enough left among most of the major powers to risk using and losing them, or even letting people know you have them. Building more is out of the question because the companies with the expertise were all destroyed, their paperwork destroyed, even retiree engineers and surviving technicians assasinated in some cases. It got to the point in setting where at least one technical university was nuked in a "terrorist attack"(by AT&T) because someone found some CAD files for an older model ship in their archives.
+--- 58000725
+>>57994845
+Battletech uses drop pods for mechs all the time because dropships are much more expensive than mechs. Also if you have jump jets you can chance having no drop pod at all.
+--- 58000761
+>>57998235
+Jump ships are generally forbidden to attack as are drop ships docked to said jump ship.
+
+Also solar systems have zenith and nadir jump nodes and various other stable and unstable jump nodes. Rich planets are well defended by warships and aerospace fighters, but a lot of planets are lucky to have more than a few satellites.
+--- 58002211
+>>57998002
+You can drop pod in troops anywhere, a bomb has to land on the target directly. Further, a target can conceivably be made more durable against bombardment than against infiltration or sabotage from the ground.
+--- 58002410
+>>58002211
+I disagree profoundly
+a single infantryman, and a nuclear-tipped stealth cruise missile, have comparable logistics footprints when dropped from orbit. 
+only a lunatic would believe that 12 space men with rifles can achieve the same effect on target as 12 nuclear missiles.
+--- 58002809
+Almost didn't bother to reply since the answer was so fucking obvious. But here we are. On /k/ of all places and nobody mentioned it yet. I saw this exact thread on tg and they got it in less than 10 replies. 
+
+The reason drop pods would be a core part of any hypothetical orbit to surface troop insertion is tømanyfold, but most importantlyfor the same main reason which prompted MIRV's development. Shooting down a Mach 15+ object is feasible only with missiles as it stands, which turn it into a simple numbers game. Can you outgun their gun? It would take a single missile to blow up 50 infantry troops on some kind of shuttle dropship, it would take 50 missiles to nail a dispersed swarm of drop pods. Even if they all impact within a minute their velocity would put them hundreds of meters apart in spacing. This figure can be skewed even further in the infantry's favor by deploy XX additional dumme drop pods that do not contain live soldiers. 
+The second advantage is speed. Big things slamming into lower altitude atmospheric densities might as well hit a brick wall if they move at 8k mph. They'll KABLOOWIE. A drop pod has better resistance and could more economically be produced as partly being composed of an outer single use shell of heat shielding material that sheds and ablate during reentry. Thirdly. Square cube law actually dictates that smaller objects are in fact straight up better and more efficient at using atmospheric resistance to aerobrake. So spreading a reentry load across several units is pretty smart if you aim for unpowered ballistic aerobreaking trajectories. Which you should. Any digital or remote system would be liable to be the target of enemy jamming and other e-warfare. Worst case they reveal which pods were dummies and which hold meat. Also, drop pods aren't as problematic g forces wise as some thing. Submerging in tissue-density breathable liquid inside the pop allow momentary 150-200g survival and continuous 30-45g. More if you add in stim
+--- 58004309
+>>57989273 (OP)
+yes, it distracts the enemy and draws their fire thus wasting their ammo

k/57989358.txt

@@ -50,3 +50,115 @@ Buy brass. The difference in price between steel and brass rn is not enough to m
 Avoid Winchester. Bottom of the barrel tier.
 --- 57991339
 the bestest generic 223 ammo i recently shot was GGG Lithuania, followed by geco made in switzerland which would be even better but they fucked the primers holes with military crimp
+--- 57993027
+>>57989507
+Don't buy gen 2 pmags. there is a reason why there is a gen 3.
+
+>practicing reloading drills with empty mag.
+>Mag over seats itself and was a bitch to get out.
+>get rid of every gen 2 p mag I own.
+
+>>57989358 (OP)
+
+Get Winchester or Federal. Youre never going to get good accuracy out of ball ammo.so get the most relievable stuff. It used to be cheap to buy the ammo already in the cans, but the price has doubled since covid. Just purchase a new can separately from your ammo. Use ammo seek.
+--- 57993069
+>>57989358 (OP)
+All m193/m855 ammo is sealed. Frontier says "military grade", but its not sealed.
+--- 57993257
+>>57989719
+at the shop i go to, it was 250 rounds for about $80.
+--- 57993289
+>>57989358 (OP)
+i like to shoot wolf gold, prvi partizan, and ventura munitions. sometimes tula for fun because it produces huge muzzle flashes. the reman stuff i get from ventura isn't bad
+--- 57996106
+>>57993289
+Does PMC give more muzzle blast than other 556s?
+--- 57996119
+>>57989719
+
+They're using like a million rounds a day in ukraine, pretty sure most of our ammo factories aren't producing mainly for the civilian market right now.
+--- 57996281
+>>57989358 (OP)
+Remember, with a small amount of work to clean and deprime, you can get a 5-10c rebate on your brass by selling to reloaders.
+--- 57996311
+>>57989528
+>>57989685
+>>57990513
+>>57990848
+>>57991339
+>>57993069
+Is Federal good or na? Fiocchi is usually pretty solid
+--- 57996445
+Same question but for 7.62/308? Im looking for a quality round to stack deep was leaning towards imi as well
+--- 57996522
+>>57996445
+polish surplus if you can find it
+cheap and it just werks
+--- 57996546
+>>57989528
+IMI and PPU are also military spec, but true remington, federal, and most of the rest are 223 loaded
+--- 57996624
+>>57996311
+I've had some shit Federal 9mm rounds, not that it's the same. Between 4 boxes of steel case, at least 5 of the little fuckers had the round pressed into the cartridge and one ended up squibbing, thank god the fucker refused to chamber another round.
+--- 57997664
+>>57996445
+Bump what sort of 308 are those kooky peppers stacking?
+--- 57997716
+after shipping, probly about 39cpr
+--- 57997722
+>>57989719
+places gearing up for 6.8 fury + government stocking up for ukraine, taiwan and potentially the middle east.
+--- 57998203
+>>57993069
+Federal and Winchester are made in a .gov ammo plant (Lake City). For stacking that's what I would use.
+--- 57998652
+>>57997716
+where?
+--- 57999304
+>>57990848
+DA HOOVES
+--- 58000393
+I can reload a 75gr BTHP for about 41cpr. I can reload M193 for about 35cpr if I wanted. I bought some IMI M193 for 47cpr last year with Midways birthday deal.
+
+>>57989685
+IMI M193 was watered down in my experience. 
+
+>>57993027
+Never had a problem with Gen2.
+--- 58000785
+>>57990848
+Winchester white box is m193, it's fine, on par with PPU. Hottest m193 for the price right now. Watch Buffman's review.
+--- 58000900
+>>58000785
+>Watch Buffman's review.
+No. I'm not going to waste my time watching some faggot youtube video
+--- 58001214
+>>58000900
+>accuses a YouTuber he's never watched of being a faggot 
+>Is a tripfag on an anonymous image board
+
+Ok
+--- 58001507
+So is IMI and PMC good or not
+--- 58001522
+>>58001507
+No. PPU or Winchester white box.
+--- 58001599
+>>58001522
+Does the PPU have the waterproof seal?
+--- 58002084
+>>58001507
+PMC 556 is kinda wack. Had 5 duds in a pack of 150. It's not a lot but I just don't like that kind of inconsistency.
+PMC 9mm is awesome though and not dirty at all like blazer.
+
+>>58001522
+Winchester is so fucking dirty to shoot and creates noticably more smoke compared to anything else I've shot. It is bottom of the barrel at a premium price.
+--- 58002465
+>>57989358 (OP)
+IMI, PPU, Winchester, maybe Federal (no idea since Winchester took over Lake City) are loaded to true M193 specs. PMC consistently comes in at lower velocities than the aforementioned companies.
+--- 58002539
+>>57990848
+Winchester m193 is not the same as their usual white box offerings. Lake City manufactured, loaded to true m193 specs, reliable.
+--- 58002603
+>>57996106
+i don't remember it having any noticeable difference

k/57990077.txt

@@ -85,3 +85,101 @@ girl next door friend who i hang out with all the time
 naturally athletic tomboy who always gets dirtier than she should but seemingly never makes a mistake
 >my zenitco ak
 doesnt get out much, but impeccable fashion sense
+--- 57991760
+>>57990674
+>vz.61
+>polish
+--- 57991770
+>>57990348
+>also maybe connected to several cases of grand larceny
+But I thought that was a P38
+--- 57991816
+>>57990348
+are you sure you're not just projecting anon?
+--- 57993478
+>>57990077 (OP)
+>yugo m72b
+contemplating war crimes
+--- 57996810
+>>57990077 (OP)
+Cyber-fudd. I have a Ruger Scout, and want a tactical lever action .357 and a Taurus Raging Hunter to match.
+--- 57997075
+>>57990077 (OP)
+>WASR
+Romanian immigrant that's doing pretty well for herself in America, but still doesn't quite understand the culture. Not the best at her job, she knows her good looks are what keeps her employed. This does not bother her.
+>CZ-SP01
+Friendly, but will not shut up. Does most of the legwork, and is happy to do it. Demands attention. 
+>Glock 19 Gen 4
+Talented, but clinically depressed. Gets discouraged easily. Will never be as cool, funny, or attractive as CZ-SP01. Friends with...
+>Hi Point .380
+Former ghetto hoe who works as a maid white man. Basically paid slavery, but she isn't complaining, yet. Secretly hates...
+>Baikal IJ-70 Makarov .380
+Russian maid who works with Hi Point. Is better than the Hi Point at more or less everything, and is treated better. Openly racist. 
+>AR-15 
+Just as capable as anyone else, if not better, but has extreme anxiety. Knows her days are numbered at her job and that she's going to get sold soon. She knows her new home will be a good one, but she just hopes it's her home forever. She's been passed around too many times.
+>pile of parts
+A horrific amalgamation of firearm flesh. Multiple consciousnesses exist in one body, if you can call it a body. Occasionally an individual will crawl out of the pit and exist as an individual again, but that seldom happens.
+--- 57999325
+>>57991816
+No way, I don't have a foot fetish
+--- 57999936
+>Gun
+>Name
+
+>JW20 norinco 
+>Jingwei
+A shota who dresses like a traditional late 2000s trap, very frilly dress and very moe and pink. Long pink wig and high leather boots and a frilly dress. He is anti trans but super gay. He is evil. He is a gross otaku, repulsive to be around, a bad friend who talks behind your back, and a coomer. He farts propellent gas out of the loading tube when you open the magazine.
+>Type 81 LMG
+>Angie (chinese name - skunk)
+A big strong tomboy with I or J cup big tits and abs and muscles. She has skunk ears and tail. She wears a cropped sailor style school uniform. Her hair is black and shaggy, and she has silver eyes. She is sorta fob, and loyal to the CCP. Shes an 80s design but manafactured in 2020, and shes a zoomer neo maoist. She is genki and outgoing and normally unoffensive except for the occasional xenophobic chinese responses. Her bolt has a cosmetic defect where the silver coating of the bolt carrier was not applied to the bolt, so her name is skunk (because of the black and silver color)
+>K12 shotgun
+>Kevin
+Hes a strongfat chud type guy. Sun yat sen enjoyer. Hes very smart and well spoken. He has short black hair, rectangular glasses and wears a casio calculator watch with his school uniform, which is a short sleeve button down with slacks that are worn high on the waist. 
+>Gevar 96
+Shes a nice, caring mommy type girl. She has blonde hair in a braided tail worn to the front. She has massive titties like P cup or something, and she wears a white sundress and straw hat. She has blue eyes. She is a nazi. She is an oberndorf made swedish mauser. She has wolf ears and tail, that are brown/grey.
+>Mav88
+Shes a mexican american girl. She has mutt dog ears and tail. She has short reddish brown hair. Her skin is light brown and she has some freckles. She wears a magenta track jacket over her school uniform. Her hobby is napping. She is genki until she isnt. She has green eyes. 
+
+cont.
+--- 58000106
+>>57999936
+>SKS
+>Iskra
+A washed up slut. She has a thick russian accent and is a loser. Shes a very easy girl but she doesnt have many friends or romantic relations. She is very refurbed and has a shiny coat on the wood. Shes an izhevsk made. She has short brown hair, died lighter. She wears a sailor school uniform with a short miniskirt. She has multiple tattoos and piercings. She has loose knee socks over loafers. She also wears one of those slut belly chains and some bracelets. Shes an easy slut but a loser, so shes blackpilled and cranky. Shes a stalinist.
+>Winchester 370 (Cooey 840)
+>Cooey
+He gets mad that I call him cooey. I bought him from a quebec gun store, so he identifies as quebecois and speaks french, and english with an accent. He has short hair and average physique and height. He wears a CAF shooting jacket (picture a cotton tunic with shoulder and knee pads) and a cap, like a gopnik cap. He is very angry and evil, repulsive and unpleasent to be with. He has no soft side. He is also very boomer minded. He has an above average sense of humour.
+>Savage A22 pro varmint
+>Albert
+Nice guy, kindhearted. Shota with short hair and blue eyes. He is super canadian. He wears a red flannel, jeans, and a trappers hat. He is good natured. He larps as a hunter gun but he is really a bench gun.
+--- 58002127
+>>57999936
+>>58000106
+This right here is my shit.
+Pure late 2000s underageb& cringe kino.
+--- 58003307
+The FEG AK-63F I'm planning on building is Maryl - a sweet, adorable hamingja lassie with a sense of humor. Tender, warm, adoring regardless of personal flaws, she is divine as she is helpful. A chipper, hot-blooded soul that abhors the wicked kings and nobles running babylon, the corpse of the holy roman empire known to many as the new world order. May or may not be schizophrenic, she hasn't told me.
+--- 58003342
+>>57990077 (OP)
+You ever see something and think "10 years ago, this would have both confused and unnerved me"?
+--- 58003418
+>>58003342
+not really, I figured out just how weird the internet was pretty quickly after I ventured outside of cool math games.
+--- 58003982
+>>58003342
+I feel like if I saw that a decade ago I wouldn't be confused, more concerned as to what kind of mind would make such a thing. These days though I know exactly who would draw something like that
+--- 58004294
+>>57990077 (OP)
+>1911
+Just happy to be there
+>H&R M16A1 
+Old man that still acts like he is 19 drugged up and ready to roll whenever
+>IMI Uzi
+Asking when I will finally make it an SBR (Super Badass Rabi) and cut off it's foreskin
+>Chinese Mosin
+90 year old man who can barely walk but can still bust out like yip man when the need arises
+>glock 19
+Beep boop
+>Walther PPK
+Hates any non-german who shoots him and gives them slidebite every time, would probably self destruction if a jew attempted to shoot him.
+Could probably come up with more but this is what comes to mind.

k/57990087.txt

@@ -61,3 +61,502 @@ Every single clip I've watched of this animu is nothing but cringe. There's that
 --- 57991452
 >>57991315
 You suffer from the stage in life where you pretend to be overly serious about non serious things.
+--- 57991537
+>>57991315
+it's literal recruitment propaganda, don't dwell too much on it.
+--- 57991560
+>>57991315
+dude it's just a fun show, enjoy rory and stop complaining
+--- 57991561
+>>57991315
+Modern techniques vs old retardation I think is the point.
+Most of those soldiers were conscripts turned vagabond they are hardly the best of the best. The ones in the capitol I'd see you point but she spend most of that shooting them.
+--- 57991583
+>>57991560
+Easily the worst character of the show
+--- 57991602
+>>57990087 (OP)
+>or would it be a total shitshow instead?
+
+/tg/ cross-poster. 
+It would be a total shitshow because GATE intentionally handicaps the Gate world, in order to make the JDSF look cooler, by deliberately denying the fantasy world their great equalizer: Magic. 
+
+Gate played straight is a fucking nightmare for everyone involved. 
+>You killed too many people and weren't able to read them their funerary rights. They're now coming back as zombies and skeletons and spreading a purple mist that makes people sick. 
+>An angry Wizard you were evicting has cast "Plastic to Insects" in one of your humanitarian camps. 
+>Somebody has been replaced by a Changeling. 
+>One of the men has contracted lycanthropy via sex. It will be asymptotic until it isn't anymore. 
+>Another man refused to give a wizard disguised as a beggar some spare change and has been turned into a wooden puppet of himself.
+
+And that's just assuming the weird shit is self-contained and cross contamination isn't happening. 
+That the Gate being opened isn't reintroduced magic back into 'our' world and allowing urban legends, religion, and folk beliefs to be real.
+--- 57991616
+>>57990087 (OP)
+>>57990650
+>>57990657
+No location out of reach for American logistics.
+--- 57991635
+>>57991560
+When I was in Japan, I bought a pin of Rory at some shop selling that crap. The cashier actually fucking laughed and took a picture. I guess she was shocked about me being the first motherfucker to actually buy one of these things. That was the first and last time I saw anything GATE related up for sale.
+--- 57991662
+>>57991602
+Isn't it mentioned in the show that magic is on the decline and that only a few people can use magic?
+--- 57991664
+Gate is such jsdf/japan is the best. That it put me off. Yeah, its nice to be proud of your nation but damn does this manga really buff thr jsdf while ignoring everything it can actually do. Not to mention it plays everyone else down to the point of insult.
+--- 57991666
+>>57990087 (OP)
+The first several trucks through the gate would build a McDonalds and an ice cream factory. Immediate world domination. No need for episode 2.
+--- 57991681
+>>57991602
+Don't be foolish. The magic as is portrayed wouldn't give them the edge they needed even if most people could use it
+--- 57991710
+didn't seem to work out for the yankees in afghanistan and that's far closer to modernity than the literal feudal system.
+
+america is utterly incapable of nation building. it's just a fact.
+--- 57991712
+>>57991662
+No. There are universities dedicated to teaching new mages. they were very excited to obtain Earth science books that enhanced their abilities to manipulate magic.
+--- 57991719
+>>57991602
+>One of the men has contracted lycanthropy via sex.
+wasn't me
+--- 57991803
+>>57991187
+We wouldn't really reach our full strength until we had functional GPS and time to re-calibrate everything that requires it.
+
+It's an interesting idea, actually. How well would the modern US military handle no GPS and satellite communication? I have no doubt that drills are done in training that forgo GPS assistance, but it's still a loss of a normally-assumed advantage.
+
+Yeah, you're fighting sticks with firearms, but humans are supposed to be adaptable. Eventually someone's gonna figure out how to at least slow down a tank, and now your tank crews can't notify you that they'll be three days late to reinforce something.
+--- 57991813
+>>57991602
+it denied the fantasy world normal medieval things, like extremely capable political operators because they grew up in a much more cutthroat system. i was expecting that that was how the story was gonna go when rory and the elf hopped across the gate back to japan and there was that parliamentary hearing - the king would realize he was dealing with people who were squeamish about killing and would ruthlessly maneuver cameras and corpses for his political advantage. instead they were idols for a few days and that was the end of the story arc.
+--- 57991865
+>>57991813
+Its almost as if the manga was made to jerk of japan and the jsdf! While denying the reality of everything else!
+--- 57991869
+>>57991187
+Army corps of engineers could easily get a pad built for a F9 in a matter of weeks, and the entire rocket is small enough to be transported by a truck and would easily fit through the gate
+--- 57991973
+>>57990087 (OP)
+Even if we let Gate take it's course, the aftermath of the invasion and counter-invasion would be a multi-national effort. At least in terms of scientific efforts. You'll see a goldrush of scientists and researchers from every nation coming in.
+There might be some sovereignty issues since it opened up on Japanese soil, but a gate to another dimension with inter-dimensional aliens is too great an event for Japan to just turtle up and block everyone from coming in to help investigate.
+
+As for military, JSDF would at least host a unit from each of their close ally nation on the other side, but I can see JSDF running the main show.
+--- 57991979
+>>57991710
+>america is utterly incapable of nation building. it's just a fact.
+>Japan
+>South Korea
+--- 57992145
+>>57991803
+Drills based on a GPS denied environment still require INS as a back up. This isn't a problem in the real world where we have accurate maps of the entire earth that are being constantly updated. 
+
+The the gate world the first few weeks would probably be have drones and SF teams with LIDAR going out and mapping everything. You also have the issue of having to figure out how magnetic poles work in gate world and recalibrating everything accordingly.
+--- 57992157
+>>57991813
+>>57991865
+tbqh hearing these sorts of things makes me uninterested in watching it.
+--- 57992167
+>>57992157
+then don't watch it
+--- 57992201
+>>57991560
+Best girl.
+--- 57992300
+>>57991602
+>show up on other side of the gate
+>we wuz magic n sheit
+>never mind guys fuck this shit
+>establish sizable base around the gate
+>build runway
+>ship in b52s and other air assets
+>magic can't into radar or AA
+>bomb the everliving shit out of hostiles
+>take land
+>???
+>profit
+--- 57992320
+>>57992157
+don't, it sucks.
+--- 57992384
+>>57990129
+>>57990286
+This one?
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome,_Sweet_Rome
+--- 57992424
+>>57990286
+https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13803057/1/Here-We-Go-Again
+--- 57992458
+>>57991602
+Thing is it's a low magic world, kind of like Middle Earth, magic isn't something that every idiot can handle.
+--- 57992530
+>>57991813
+The Empire's problem was they had so many centuries of opening the gate and curbstomping everyone on the other side they ended up with Vatnik syndrome where they were overconfident, got BTFO and spent the rest of the series constantly playing political catch up.
+
+It also didn't help that the only people who did get to see Japan was a discredited Councibine's daughter, and a bunch of people the king wouldn't give a fuck about.
+--- 57992594
+>>57991315
+Honestly the bland characters are less bad than the relentless 'japanu did nothing rong' Lost Cause shit in the show. I don't mind hyping up the JSDF but the really uncomfortable complaints about big mean americans bullying poor widdle innocent Japan is stupid as fuck.
+--- 57992677
+>>57992594
+Pretty sure even the Japanese readers thought those parts of the story were retarded and bad.
+--- 57992684
+Everything the US government touches turns to corrupt shit, so it'd probably go way worse.
+--- 57993608
+Isnt there a fanfic somewhere that basically fixes the plot?
+--- 57994473
+GATE was a waste of potential sadly. It just turned out to be japs wanking themselves to impress medival anime girls in the end.
+
+A good plot would be if somehow another GATE opened in China and the chinese would start to support the empire's enemies, then we would have a proxy war between JGSF and PLA, would be fun to watch.
+--- 57995117
+>>57991602
+>One of the men has contracted lycanthropy via sex
+
+sorry, but that girl just jumped over me when i gave her a headpat
+heatpats are dangerous
+--- 57995152
+what’s the appeal of this anime?
+watching dudes with guns and tanks and jets and helicopters against dudes with swords is about as interesting or compelling as watching seals getting clubbed or male chicks against the grinder
+--- 57995354
+>>57995152
+The jsdf as depicted in the manga/anime is more fantasy than the fantasy setting it takes part in.
+--- 57995366
+>>57995152
+It's one of the few good uses of isekai because it actually does something with the isekai concept.
+--- 57995407
+>>57992167
+>>57992320
+I won't.
+--- 57995450
+Drifters did this concept way better than Gate ever did.
+--- 57995587
+>>57992594
+iirc it was basically written by the Japanese equivalent of a poltard
+--- 57995928
+>>57992530
+Wait. Who else did they invade through the Gate? I thought they just invaded other countries on the same planet..
+--- 57995965
+>>57991803
+my guess is with radio and radar systems. if you manage to get a radar to ping your allied forces, it can reliably relay their coordinates relative to the radar, or to a designated 0 point if you're using multiple radars. its no GPS of course, but its accurate enough while you get a proper GPS working
+--- 57996006
+>>57991803
+does the 'Navigator' role even exist for most flight crews now, regardless of military?
+Land navigation without satellite, celestial bodies, or pre-existing maps isn't the samething as training without GPS assistance
+--- 57996012
+>>57995450
+Too bad you can't watch it anywhere. At least, no where I could find
+--- 57996099
+>>57991602
+>One man has contracted lycanthropy
+I fail to see how this is a problem, now he just has to date white women.
+--- 57996120
+>>57990087 (OP)
+They'd have to do better just by virtue of having more experience with military expeditions on foreign soil, let alone having superior equipment and numbers.
+Also they wouldn't be doing retarded imperial revanchist shit like the stupid cunt author was pushing.
+--- 57996127
+>>57996099
+>soldier turns in to a rage filled monster once a month
+anon, that soldier just became a women. its horrible
+--- 57996135
+>>57996012
+Yeah and it probably won't get another season either, at least not with how it's looking now.
+--- 57996214
+>>57990087 (OP)
+They would do worse. Japan is homogenous, pragmatic and has a history of empire. The US would get bogged down in hearts and minds+leftist way of life injection, while also blocking the military from doing its job.
+--- 57996262
+>>57996099
+He can't keep himself financially safe with his new silver allergy
+--- 57996265
+>>57990087 (OP)
+There's a story quite like this, on R*ddit (Piss be Upon It), called Retreat, Hell!
+If you want to see elves get mowed down by A20 warthogs, ran over by tanks, and napalmed like good VC, it's the story for you.
+--- 57996269
+>>57991979
+Both developed nations many times older than the US. The US just replaced a few pieces and inserted a constitution.
+--- 57996301
+>>57990087 (OP)
+i would have been interesting if someone leak shit like the communist manifesto and see the medieval world going for the same shit we did in the 20s
+--- 57996331
+>>57996099
+ayyyy
+--- 57996333
+>>57990087 (OP)
+In the GATE world the US grinds everybody into the dust more rapidly and brutally then makes money mining and selling them junk food.
+
+If the GATE setting was half as interesting as any random homebrew dnd game you'd have to deal with:
+
+1) Giant flying magic dinosaurs with genius level intellects which can look like anybody at will, read minds, scry the future, brainwash by staring hard enough, make battalions shit themselves my screaming too loud, teleport, stop time, and sometimes just cast the fucking Wish spells for free.
+
+2) Autistic evil unkillable skeleton nerds who don't even have brains anymore and therefore have no limit to their ability to retain information.
+
+3) Extra dimensional entities whose very nature compels them to fuck with people and self-righteously consider their particular opinions on a 9 square chart to be inherently superior to all others, and woe betide you if you disagree.
+
+4) 1001 unique and totally independent supernatural plagues which cause whomever is killed by a victim of that plague to rise from death as a carrier of that plague(ie all contagious undead).
+
+5) Parties of homeless assholes who did pushups and punched goblins until they found themselves able to run at 30mph for 20 minutes on a single breath, jump 80ft vertically, suplex most AFVs and carve through several feet of steel with their +5 Holy Avenger that has been folded four quadrillion times.
+--- 57996337
+>Concept is "what if the modern military fought medieval fantasy"
+>Drops the ball so hard with magic elves switching sides and AMERICA BAD RISE UP JSDF for no reason
+--- 57996375
+>>57996214
+and for that reason japan is a military super power and the US isn't--- oh wait, that's not the case.
+--- 57996431
+>>57991666
+I'll take one for the team and fuck all those 200 pound elves.
+--- 57996533
+>>57991602
+Magic just becomes technology
+--- 57996545
+>>57996337
+I've always been confused by the ultra nationalists in Japan. US gives them all sorts of toys and grantees that anybody who fucks with them hard enough will be nuked, but that's a raw deal somehow? You can't even entirely blame the fact that the US pulled rung out from under their "economic miracle" which had been given to them via preferential treatment and ceased when it was withdrawn, because some of this shit was present before. Like that one about a submarine captain who goes rogue in a sub that was co-developed with the US and somehow defeats an action group with a single vessel while standing around stoically rather than looking at any information displayed on a screen. I get it during and after the 90s, but Japan's standing among nations is far higher than it was during the height of its empire. Back then it was a sixth or fifth place after America, Britian, Germany, Russia, and maybe france. Today it is third by GDP, and lets be honest China is such a shithole it shouldn't even count in any era so really its second, and probably tied for fourth in military power. 
+
+>>57996431
+And elf is an elf.
+--- 57996597
+>>57996545
+>muh GDP
+There is more to life than the economy.
+--- 57996702
+>>57996597
+Yes but but any cultural renaissance could be done internally without the imperial patron giving a shit, and you don't often hear the ultranationalists bitching about the actual foreign obstruction to any such policy namely the jews and even they aren't doing much with Japan. Japs don't talk much about jews, at least outside of Angel Cop and that one "they fear the samurai" guy.
+
+Something about that section of society just doesn't like playing second fiddle, which is what got them into their current situation to begin with. They could have just sucked it up and redoubled their efforts in China and Korea while enduring some hardship but they had to spaz out on their retarded Kantai Kessen plan which requires them to do everything perfectly and their opposition to be blind, retarded, and paralyzed.
+--- 57996704
+>>57991813
+I find it weird so many people and pieces of media just assume people from the past (or modelled after the past) would be utterly baffled by modern technology because of superstition and lack of understanding.
+Like, sure, sometimes that happens but history shows even more examples of stone age aboriginals organizing and arming themselves with modern technology within years of establishing contact with outside world.
+It's even weirder because this is the major plot point of so many media involving alien invasions - within hours of one happening humans run around with ayy weapons, utilize ridiculous improvised means to fight back and strap a nuke to an alien spaceship.
+--- 57996716
+>>57996333
+i think the main problem is that we don't have any real reference for the magic system nor any real way to guess how our world's soft power would affect the magical world. 
+for example, our diseases would fuck up hard the magical world; it would be like discovering the new world all over again. and on the other side of the coin, most farmers and peasants would kill to never have to till a field again, just work a 9-5 job and more importantly never ever have to worry again about going hungry in the near future
+--- 57996737
+It could have been a lot better but I think people overreact in general about it. But, like with a lot of anime/manga, there's still a lot of cool ideas and concept in it and I enjoyed it. Did the Naval sequel ever come out?
+
+>>57991560
+based enjoyer
+>>57991583
+(You)
+--- 57996765
+>>57996704
+They knew what guns and grenades were in 1200AD and even modern rifles operate similarly to crossbows. Aircraft, long range artillery, and chemical weapons would fuck with them because they can kill without being seen. But in a world with magic where wizards can phase through matter, turn people into manticores, strike you dead with a glance, and fly at will it would be much less incomprehensible to them. 
+
+"Clearly the enemy is doing X in the same way we do X but they are just really really good at it. And we need to steal their shit to have any chance."
+--- 57996910
+>>57996375
+We're talking about a fantasy scenario anon, not real life. You don't have to lash out everytime someone points out the 21st century US's myriad faults.
+--- 57997633
+>>57996910
+you weren't
+--- 57997725
+>>57991315
+>JSDF recruitment propaganda is shit 
+Who is shocked? It’s the normal propaganda retardation combined with anime autism. An actually good story would have the medieval forces have the high tier fantasy beings like dragons actually have an effect and give them magic that actually can even the odds. But that goes against “JAPAN STRONK BTW WE DINDU NUFFIN DONT LOOK UP NANKING PLEASE”
+--- 57997741
+>>57996597
+High GDP usually means a high standard of living and luxury.
+--- 57997745
+>>57991616
+>welcome to mars
+The great thing about this pic is that american logistics WILL power at least the very first temporary human landing sites on Mars. Anything could happen in the long run but at least in the coming decades that's where SpaceX and NASA are heading with no competition in sight.
+--- 57999743
+>>57992384
+>>57992424
+Thanks for these
+--- 57999930
+>>57991813
+I dunno, the manga so far has him as quite competent at the military and political level, resorting to guerilla warfare and using civilian shields when he realizes what he's dealing with. How is the emperor meant exploit the media circus when he doesn't even know it's happening or even what a camera is?
+--- 58000164
+>>57991602
+consider the following
+--- 58000287
+>>58000164
+Can you buff an F-22 with magic?
+--- 58000407
+>>58000287
+no, but the wizard/dragon is getting BVR'd and there's nothing they can do about it
+--- 58000409
+>>58000164
+>I cast localised 0 friction
+>I cast increase gravity
+>I cast EMP
+>I throw my doragon (invulnerable to pleb non-magic dmg) at it
+--- 58000436
+>>57996702
+>Thicc Elf from Elf-San
+
+B-Basado
+(Also more realistic than GATE lmao)
+--- 58000451
+>>58000409
+>was already blown up and died 5 minutes before he even knew it was coming
+--- 58000468
+>>58000164
+nancy pelosi already sold it to the wizards in return for magic botox
+--- 58000484
+>>58000164
+>F22's full potential is finally revealed
+--- 58000526
+>>58000451
+>before he even knew it was coming
+this nigger never heard of divination, all your plans are known months in advance. The airbase got strafed by dragonfire and all your boots got succ'd. Total techcuck defeat.
+--- 58000556
+>>58000526
+nah the dragon died to AA
+--- 58000565
+>>57991602
+>Complaining that a setting has low fantasy-tier magic and this is "handicapping"
+So this is autism huh? Not bad.
+--- 58000584
+>>57996214
+>while also blocking the military from doing its job.
+mutts never hold back if they're attacked directly.
+--- 58000588
+>>58000287
++ durability
++ action points
+- weight
+- chance of failure
+--- 58000593
+>>58000556
+nuh uh, dragons can use fire breath to screen incoming AA fire
+--- 58000596
+>>58000593
+nah
+--- 58000603
+>>58000287
+Wind magic would make a jet absurdly manoeuvrable
+--- 58000642
+Honestly, Gate featuring the Empire vs. US civilians would be much more interesting. Quasi-roman legions vs. superior firepower and inferior discipline would make for a more balanced and interesting story.
+--- 58000652
+>>57991616
+>The burning osprey
+God this picture gets better the more you look at it
+--- 58000720
+>>57991602
+this is "zombie infestation would overrun the US military" levels of fictional cope
+
+if you need to empower magic to the point every mage is an existential threat to all life in your setting before the gate even opens, and just hope everyone stayed chill for the centuries beforehand and didn't reduce any civilizations present to dust... you're not fucking "playing it straight"
+
+"plastic to beetles" lol, lmao even
+--- 58000744
+>>58000409
+you seem to have "magic" and "whatever bullshit i want to pull out of my ass as a counterpoint" confused, sir
+--- 58000755
+>>57991602
+Do you simp for magic to compensate for something? This is one hell of a weird complaint. Seriously, wtf?
+--- 58000873
+>>57991602
+Least autistic /tg/ poster
+--- 58001336
+>>57991315
+>Hating Rory
+She literally tells the Jap parliament earlier that episode she's a few hundred years old and more or less immortal until she transcends to the next plane of existence. The rounds don't even break her skin
+--- 58001368
+>>58000164
+>mobius one, engage.
+--- 58001555
+>>57996214
+>While also blocking the military from doing its job
+Japan is way, WAY worse in that regard. They take civilian control so seriously that they straight up can't do ANYTHING without some political bigwig giving the OK, even if they're actively being shot at.
+--- 58001692
+>>58000409
+If their magic is that prevalent and that powerful than they wouldn't be living in a vaguely medival society
+--- 58001717
+>>57991635
+based cashier bullying anons
+--- 58001751
+>>58000755
+not the anon but i think he's more complaining that they had a medievel fantasy world with magic and dragons and actual fucking gods, and then put all that stuff on the side of the JSDF while the medieval enemies got stuck with zerg rushing conscripts in waves to exhaust JSDF ammunition.
+--- 58001782
+>Generation Kill crew steamrollin through fantasy land
+k..kino..
+--- 58001907
+>>58001336
+Encase her in lead and throw her into a subduction zone.
+--- 58002286
+>>57996269
+so you’re going to ignore the histories of Iraq and Afghanistan? Both also had developed nations many many times older than the US.
+Different people in charge running the nation rebuild show, not to mention the nature of the enemy was vastly different.
+--- 58002488
+>>57991681
+>>57992300
+>>58000565
+>>58000164
+>>58000755
+
+
+I cast the 5th level Necromancer Spell: Animate Internal Skeleton, on all of you. 
+The Skeleton inside your body is now trying to escape your body. Good luck with that. (Unless you have a cross on or prayer beads or some kind of religious accessory which case my spell didn't do shit, lmao, lol.)
+
+Except you:
+>>58000720
+>"plastic to beetles" lol, lmao even
+
+I cast the 2nd level Transmutation Spell: Plastic to Insects, on you.
+The % of your clothing that's made out of polyester is now red ants. Fuck you. Plastic to Insects is a great spell. 
+
+I'm not even commenting on it's frequency or power compared to modern weapons. I'm saying magic is fucking weird and can do shit a modern person doesn't really have any response to. 
+You don't have IED in a fantasy world: you have a homeless man or a large crow give you the stink eye and then something impossible happens.
+--- 58002518
+>>58002488
+so issue crosses to every man then?
+call up the chaplains they have a big use!
+--- 58003152
+>>58002488
+Yep, you're just autistic.
+--- 58003199
+>be Gate
+>ask yourself if you should write some interesting conflict between technology and magic
+>the answer is no
+>write modern combined arms blowing up Tetsudos
+>yeah that'll be a super compelling "conflict"
+Writing GATE is like writing a 10 novel story about Mike Tyson stepping on Hamsters and occasionally not fuckin the Hamster women throwing themselves at him because he's such a moral paragon that we should all wish to be.
+--- 58003234
+>>57995928
+The book reveals that the gate's been opened before and they've done cross dimension raids like this, it's how they got some of the rarer fantasy races in the setting.
+--- 58003287
+>>58003199
+I wouldn't be surprised if the writer was a Jap who spied on some of /tg/'s "X in fantasyland" Quests and decided to write his version.
+--- 58003562
+>>57991602
+This would've been a far more interesting show.
+Modern military vs a completely unpredictable adversary with plain weird powers beyond our mundane reality.
+It would be a tale of human ingenuity and adaptability for both sides. Very hard to write.
+--- 58003717
+Realistically, it would rapidly devolve into an Iraq-style insurgency but 20x worse because of magic at the very least. The Japs would just sit in their FOBs all day and accomplish fuck all for X years before packing it up and heading home.
+--- 58003748
+>>58003717
+Only if the medieval side doesn't want to be brought into the modern world like the sand people didn't, and given the obvious structural similarities between the not!Roman Empire and modern Western nations, integrating them would be far more likely to go well since you wouldn't be introducing massive changes beyond replacing the King with some sort of electoral system.
+--- 58003836
+>>57990087 (OP)
+I'm forming a death squad to genocide all elves. Fuck those long eared bastards.
+--- 58003880
+>>58000164
+i cast delete coulomb force on all of you
+--- 58003928
+>>58003748
+To them, you are an invader with a completely foreign language and culture. Your nation's values include atheism and buggery. Your soldiers are probably insufferable. Their priests tell them that your technology works on unspeakable black magic and that your medicines are actually poisons.
+You, meanwhile, don't have even the slightest understanding of their culture(s) and customs.
+Even if they initially like you, relations will take a nosedive. This is what happened in Iraq btw
+--- 58004026
+>>58003152
+>NO FUN ALLOWED WHEN DISCUSSING ANIME HYPOTHETICALS
+/tg/ anon is definitely autistic but he's for sure higher functioning than you
+--- 58004055
+>>58003717
+>Realistically
+And there's your problem
+--- 58004075
+>>57996214
+Japan is worse when it comes to their nation building and military. Don't act like japan was any better. America is still leads ahead of japan.
+--- 58004098
+>>57990087 (OP)
+So uh ...
+
+Try this:
+
+https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13422864/1/Empires-Infamy
+--- 58004308
+>>58002488
+If they showed even the tiniest hint of the capability of doing real damage to the U.S. they would disguise a large nuclear weapon as some kind of food truck, bring it in and actually use the food truck part of it for a month to fool the locals, announce they were leaving, evacuate the area near the modern side of the Gate, and detonate that shit, hopefully vaporizing the Gate and anyone within 10 miles of the medieval side of it.

k/57990191.txt

@@ -1,12 +1,6 @@
 -----
 --- 57990191
 What's this gun.
---- 57990204
->ledditain
-You have zero humanity if you enjoy watching Moeshitter shows. For most of human history, the stories passed down for generations have largely been epics in the form of religious prose, poetry, or song. This is because people enjoy hearing a good story of heroes and warriors triumphing over evil, getting past obstacles and going on a long journey like the Odyssey or the Epic of Gilgamesh. From these old stories came derivations which birthed genres like comedy, tragedy, satire, romance etc. These ancient stories have persevered in the modern era and has given forth new stories in the anime industry. Shonen as a genre is as big as it is because it has the same themes that make it comparable to an ancient epic. Romance and comedy come after because they too share these characteristics. But with Moetrash, you don't get any of that historical tradition. You have a group of cute girls doing nothing for as many chapters as possible. They do normal life activities like school or hanging out but contextualized with terrible satirical writing from a 40 year old otaku mangaka who never had a social life and thus can only guess how a young Japanese girl would act. You as a reader are only observing boring and ordinary people and come away with no sense of awe or wonder. Really, you just consume a fictional character's life like a mindless normalfaggot browsing their favourite celebrity on IG. And while every reader has vicariously lived through the characters they enjoy, what does the moeshitter worship? A hero? A villain? A tragic character? No one. Just a retarded 14 year old chuuni girl written as a terrible overused trope.
-I will never watch a single episode of moeshit ever in my entire life.
-
-You are literally, objectively, unironically, not human.
 --- 57990230
 >>57990204
 She's my cute little sweetheart and I'm going to take care of her.
@@ -152,3 +146,184 @@ What would you say instead, all 14-year-old girls must die?
 >>57990314
 
 Looks like a C96 to me.
+--- 57991729
+>>57990786
+You mean an infinity aged AI god that took the form of a 14 year old girl.
+--- 57991941
+>>57990204
+You should fear my lack of humanity.
+--- 57993129
+That's a Famas with a laser pointer taped to it.
+--- 57993207
+>>57990255
+It's Lee: Anime edition
+--- 57993250
+>>57990230
+>pats laptop
+>"uwu cutie uwu"
+yeah
+--- 57993275
+>>57990204
+Based
+--- 57993348
+>>57990230
+I love Lain!
+--- 57993368
+AND YOU DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND
+--- 57993770
+>>57993368
+A shame you seemed an honest man
+--- 57993855
+>>57993348
+Hi pretty
+--- 57993916
+>>57990204
+True as fuck. Moeshitters need to get some fucking taste in this world, been tired of their bullshit clogging up my KINO MANIME discussion with my fellow shonen brothers.
+--- 57993962
+>>57990233
+Accurate.
+--- 57993968
+>Lain
+Is it /g/ or /a/ that decided to show up this morning?
+--- 57994004
+>>57990256
+Nakadashi sex with pudding
+--- 57994452
+>>57993968
+First day here, I see. 4chan is 4chan.
+--- 57995360
+>>57990295
+>lain thr ead
+--- 57995380
+I am falling,
+I am fading,
+I have lost it all
+--- 57995415
+>>57990786
+Out of ten
+--- 57995706
+>>57990191 (OP)
+APX A1 with accessory 
+>>57990314
+Broom handle Mauser
+--- 57995721
+>>57995706
+Thanks. Can you give me some money to buy one?
+--- 57996219
+>>57995721
+get a job
+--- 57996278
+>>57996219
+Where do I start? I've never worked a day in my life.
+--- 57996760
+>>57993207
+Dear God. It's happening again...
+--- 57996775
+>>57993207
+>>57990255
+get a job
+--- 57997411
+>>57990230
+>Proves his point
+--- 57997494
+I AM BALLIN
+I AM FADED
+--- 57997708
+>>57997411
+You're not going to change the way I feel
+--- 57997721
+Weird thread. Half of it reads like false flag baiting.
+--- 57997727
+>>57990204
+>dragonshitter
+lol
+lmao
+--- 57997743
+>>57997721
+>Everything is a conspiracy
+Meds
+--- 57997753
+>>57997494
+HELP ME TO SHEEEEEESH
+--- 57997758
+>>57990233
+Welcome to the NHK is better
+--- 57997808
+>>57990255
+Who is lee?
+--- 57997812
+>>57990577
+right, it speaks to the fact that people are collection of subpersonalities, which is a psychoanalytic perspective. 
+Lain has trouble controlling these subpersonalities so they run rampant, but it's through her friendship with Alice that she finds the direction she needs to rear them in. 
+maybe this wasn't an explicit point, but it also shows how if someone is socially isolated all it takes is one true friend to pull them out of that deep dark pit
+--- 57997890
+>>57997808
+Some literal who that kiwifags are obsessed with.
+--- 57997911
+>>57990204
+pasta delivers yet again
+--- 57997928
+>>57997812
+Can we be friends? I need someone to pull me out of isolation.
+--- 57997941
+>>57997911
+>>57993916
+I’m guess jenny was a mad moeshitter since its gone
+.
+--- 57997957
+>>57990786
+A little old but I'll allow it
+--- 57997991
+>>57997957
+Yeah, Lain gets a pass. Internet is now, by any measure, older. Sad.
+--- 57998267
+>>57995360
+kerning is for FAGGOTS
+--- 57998524
+>>57997928
+Friends. People you can always go back to. A safe place, where you all fall back into the routine of relaxation, play, and chit-chat that youve practiced for years. It's not something easy to come by. Like a second family.
+--- 57998919
+>>57998267
+Based.
+--- 57999338
+>>57990230
+She is really pretty. I can see why characters were constantly confessing their love for her throughout the series despite being three times her age.
+--- 57999708
+>>57999338
+She's fourteen
+--- 57999713
+>>57990191 (OP)
+biofire smartgun
+--- 57999750
+>>57990191 (OP)
+>>57990230
+I love lain
+--- 57999788
+>>57999713
+Of course it's a Biofire, how did I not realize? I mean, look at that slide. And duh, it's one of their Smartgun models because that's the only model available to civilians in Japan. How could be so foolish. Thanks, anon.
+--- 58000154
+>>57999750
+She's so pretty and sweet. Such a good girl who deserves nothing but soft love and hugs.
+--- 58000415
+>>57999708
+And you can't fight the tears that ain't coming
+Or the moment of truth in your lies
+When everything feels like the movies
+Yeah you bleed just to know you're alive
+--- 58001341
+>>58000415
+Eha?
+--- 58001449
+https://youtu.be/q70vOnBlB5Q [Embed]
+--- 58001607
+>>57990191 (OP)
+Sure thing officer. That's a DEAGLE brand DEAGLE in .50 African Eliminator
+--- 58001643
+The anime along with lucky star tourists pretend to like to be like "super cool oldfags!" whats next, rozen maiden?
+--- 58001713
+What's this gun?
+--- 58002455
+What is this thread?
+--- 58002612
+>>58002455
+the results of MKUltra and years of neglect

k/57990245.txt

@@ -19,3 +19,66 @@ Miss you Dad
 >Steel Panthers
 MRLS and FASCAM OP.
 Also best Soviet block antitank is 160mm mortar.
+--- 57992053
+>>57990245 (OP)
+WinSPMBT doesn't really have an AI, it just beelines into objective flags
+--- 57992067
+>>57990283
+>go to /v/ to discuss videogames
+/v/ is for shitposting with a vague taste of videogames
+--- 57992080
+>>57992067
+then OP should go to /vst/
+--- 57996031
+>>57992053
+>WinSPMBT doesn't really have an AI, it just beelines into objective flags
+what's a good tactics game in the same genre?
+--- 57996054
+>>57996031
+Obviously Graviteam, it might not have great whole-map AI but from observing the individual units and the allied units you get in missions it looks decent. It seems to understand things like to run away when suddenly facing an entire Panzer company with infantry.
+--- 57996094
+>>57990283
+yikes
+--- 57999200
+>>57992053
+Straight for Banan?
+--- 57999289
+>>57990245 (OP)
+I've never understood this game; they try to sell it to you for $40, but on the same page have it to download for free.
+--- 57999476
+>>57996031
+Graviteam and Combat Mission series
+--- 57999510
+>>57996031
+>>57999476
+Second for Graviteam, it's kino
+--- 57999515
+>>57990245 (OP)
+Crashes on launch for me, never got it to work.
+--- 57999649
+>>57992053
+sounds realistic to me
+--- 57999669
+>>57992053
+Tbh, I play as the Soviets sometimes and my assaults don't look very different from AI pulling a Vuhledar in OP.
+--- 58000090
+>>57996031
+Armored Brigade is pretty easy to pick up. Haven't tried SP myself but the devs describe it as "Steel Panthers in real time". 
+
+https://store.steampowered.com/app/1089840/Armored_Brigade/
+
+The DLC is nice but not really needed and there's a truck ton of modded nations and maps anyway.
+--- 58000110
+>>58000090
+>Steel Panthers in real time
+Jesus christ, how do you keep track of things? It's hard enough in turn based.
+--- 58000335
+>>58000110
+It rarely gets too bad, the command and control delay mechanic (which can be turned off) keeps things in check. You can always pause/slowdown or just play small-scale scenarios anyway.
+--- 58001061
+Oh FUGG, was re-playing the battle of 73 Easting and the Iraqis managed to dab on 2 of my M1A1 Abrahams. And to add insult to injury, it was a T-62 scoring some lucky flank shots....
+
+I failed you Mein Schwarzkopf...
+--- 58001198
+>>57999476
+Combat Mission is great for PvP, especially Cold War.

k/57990491.txt

@@ -45,3 +45,175 @@ regular ass ammo fails to penetrate, though I don't doubt that tungsten-tipped a
 >>57990523
 >.277 fury can't yet pen level IV armor, and probably won't given technical limitations without expensive tungsten.
 Reminder that penetrating NIJ IV plates without using tungsten was never a design criteria.
+--- 57991868
+>>57990491 (OP)
+No, its more like this generations SCAR. Insofar as it was supposed to replace all rifles for a whole branch, but ends up only being used in certain roles and configurations; and after a 15 years is a rarity to see. In fact before Socom put out the contract for the Creedmore SCAR sniper this year, I was honestly under the impression they'd stopped using the SCAR entirely. If the XM7 is as good as they say, its going to be hard to justify keeping the M110a1 around, and I suspect that's going to be the XM7s final niche. So in 2038, somebody like me will see the army demanding an XM7A2 to upgrade squad DMRs and be reminded that the XM7 existed at all, and wonder why I haven't seen it in ages.
+--- 57992352
+>>57991868
+>Insofar as it was supposed to replace all rifles for a whole branch
+Lol why are you making shit up?
+
+The army ONLY ever mentioned replacing M4s for front line combat troops, they have NEVER once said the XM7 was EVER going to fully replace every M4.
+
+So why say this lie?
+--- 57992938
+>>57992352
+Its not a lie, that's a meaningless distinction. Just because Marine pogs still use the M16 doesn't mean that the M27 isn't ultimately replacing it. Pog units were still using A2s until the late 2000s, but they all got M4s in the end.
+--- 57994236
+>>57992938
+Because that was always the plan with the M4, that was NEVER the plan with the M7.
+
+Jesus you really are retarded and relying on lying through your teeth to try and make your point.
+--- 57995533
+>>57990641
+>Serves him right, he trusted Ron Cohen!
+--- 57995679
+>>57990491 (OP)
+>when you get isekie'd into one of the 5000 various nightmare worlds catering to a single horrific fetish and aren't having any of it
+--- 57996509
+>>57995679
+Which ones the furries or lovecraftian SCPs?
+--- 57997260
+>>57996509
+One of the ones that combines the two, like the furry bara superhero world with the latex mind break O denial slave symbiote world or the body fluid furry/monster hive mind mutant world
+--- 57998091
+>>57990504
+Okay faggot
+
+>>57990491 (OP)
+Gun sucks, end of story
+--- 57998125
+>>57990491 (OP)
+They only ever had a few hundred XM8s over 3-4 years of development and testing. 
+
+The XM7 already has over 20,000 guns ordered.
+--- 57998194
+>>57998125
+Remember when the SCAR-16 was supposed to replace the M4?
+--- 57998200
+>>57998091
+yeah, and what are you gonna do about pal
+--- 57998209
+>>57998194
+Yeah, and they only ever ordered a few thousand and then cancelled it after getting a few hundred delivered.
+
+In total I think they took delivery of less than 3000 SCARs.
+--- 57998222
+>>57998125
+>xm8 came before xm7
+where are these time travelling gun merchants
+--- 57998236
+>>57998209
+Yeah I’m sure the finicky 12lb rifle will be replacing all the ARs and wont just be a DMR
+--- 57998246
+>>57998236
+Considering their FY24 procurement number they're gonna have a LOT of DMRs to go around.
+
+>>57998222
+It was the XM5 until they realized Colt already had an M5 rifle. So then it got changed to XM7 so when it enters service it'll be M7.
+--- 57998260
+>>57998236
+Yeah, they're building a whole new production building and manufacturing line at Lake City production plant JUST for the new 6.8x51mm ammo, if they're really just going to be used for DMRs, they don't need some massive production line that can pump out millions of rounds a month.
+--- 58000590
+>>57998260
+Two more weeks
+--- 58000632
+>>58000590
+What are you talking about? It's part of a multi-year process of upgrading and updating most of the US's ammo production sites.
+
+The lake city line for 6.8x51mm is supposed to be up and running by 2027/8.
+--- 58000724
+>>57990491 (OP)
+The SIG SPEAR, the GROT, and Malyuk will probably be elevated by the last couple years events.
+--- 58000829
+>>57990534
+That's how I feel about it too. The hybrid case shit is a complete dead end and already obsolete.
+--- 58000865
+>>58000632
+So if the spear is gonna be the standard service rifle then why is there a mid range gas gun trial going on where brands like Larue and LMT are competing in making AR10s in 6.5?
+--- 58000939
+>>57990491 (OP)
+SCP gay as fuck. Bring back Creepypastas. They are less embarrassing. Also fuck analog horror and the backrooms too.
+--- 58000942
+>>58000865
+Probably not for the army, or if it is it's for some special forces group.
+--- 58000960
+>>58000939
+>SCP is gay as fuck. Bring back Creepypastas
+Yes. SCP is seeing human life expandable yet celebrating pride month and supporting transgender organizations retarded and cringe. I’ll take Jeff the killer over that bullshit.
+--- 58000972
+>>58000942
+
+As said here its either some dumb misinfo spread somewhere or its a different branch doing some testing and potential acquisition. The navy and air force have their own systems and acquisition protocols after all. They normally fall in line with what the army adopts though because its just easier and cheaper.
+--- 58000988
+>>58000939
+Why is zoomer horror so cringe?
+--- 58000999
+>>58000972
+>>58000942
+https://events.sofwerx.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/MRGG-S-Objectives-Statement-23JUN21-002.pdf
+Making a 6.5 AR-10 is a lot easier than gobbledygook gimmick sigger shit
+--- 58001016
+>>58000999
+Oh wow, it's exactly what I said, a contract for special operation groups, not the wider army.
+--- 58001064
+>>58001016
+Hey dumdum do you really think jamal abdul hernandez and all other grunts will be armed with a sig spear and that 4lb optic?
+--- 58001168
+>>58001064
+Again, considering procurement numbers they're either gonna have to start making DMRs a LOT more common, or they're actually going to be handing it out to the frontline troops.
+
+Even if they stop procurement after FY 2024, they'll still have like 20-30k rifles and 3500+ LMGs. Which seems like more DMRs than the army would really need.
+--- 58001382
+>>58001168
+And what will more likely than not be the case is the NGSW being a DMR like weapon because those things are uncomfortable to shoot full auto and whoever wins the MRGG contract will probably have made/issued more rifles than sig
+--- 58001429
+>>58001382
+This is delusional, more than likely the M7 gets an even larger order in FY25.
+
+If they were ACTUALLY going to go with the MRGG gun they wouldn't have bought another 17,000 M7's in FY24.
+--- 58001458
+>>57990491 (OP)
+No? The XM8 was artistically forced into every trial by HK, and failed.
+The sig at least passed the trial.
+--- 58001466
+>>57990523
+. 277 fury was never intended to pen armor, retard.
+6.8x51mm with special projectiles can, and the special 6.8mm projectiles were created before any of the weapon systems.
+--- 58001569
+>>58000632
+>The lake city line for 6.8x51mm is supposed to be up and running by 2027/8.
+So they're going to pay Sig $2.50 per round for basic bitch ball ammo for at least 4 or 5 years? Not to mention the SP round at $20+ a pop. That's one hell of a grift.
+--- 58001597
+>>58001429
+The SCAR-16 556 was supposed to replace the M4 and look at it now.
+--- 58001598
+>>58001569
+Yup, that's the rub.
+
+Would've been the same situation with True Velocity's polymer ammo too since it also would've required a new production line with new equipment. 
+
+I believe the army said they expect their "war reserves" of 6.8x51 to be filled in the early 2030s, but they wouldn't discuss what quantity the "war reserve" was intended to hold, though I'd have to imagine we're talking at LEAST 250,000,000 rounds and potentially even up to 1B rounds.
+--- 58001608
+>>58001597
+see >>57998209
+--- 58001647
+>>58000939
+>Also fuck analog horror
+Gemini Home Entertainment is quite good, but a lot of others are pretty shit
+--- 58002980
+>>57990745
+>regular ass ammo fails to penetrate, though I don't doubt that tungsten-tipped ammo would succeed.
+obviously the army is going to issue some 6.8 equivalent of the EPR and not basic bitch ball ammo. with that much bulging on FMJ, looks like the program did succeed with its requirements though its still to be seen how much practical utility this will be
+--- 58003016
+>>57990514
+Unlike Colt, Sig doesn't neglect the consumer market. Colt was too reliant on military contracts so when they lost the M4 contract to FN they had nothing. They hadn't invested in their consumer products so everyone had moved on. Sig isn't making that mistake. And as long as they continue to avoid it they should be fine.
+--- 58003295
+>>57990641
+you can actually do this with a lot of rails on many free float guns.
+--- 58003303
+>>58003016
+Look up who runs sig
+--- 58004016
+>>58001608
+H&K isnt ran by jews or at least not that I’m aware of. Do you think boots will like lugging around a heavier rifle? At best it’ll be the designated marksman’s rifle.

k/57990998.txt

@@ -13,3 +13,517 @@ California didn't make all reloading components go through an FFL though.
 --- 57991321
 >>57990998 (OP)
 What is left to get at this point? Just manual actions? Are there any decent semi auto rifles that weren't banned by name?
+--- 57992221
+Gun laws only real if dont have friends
+--- 57992260
+You faggots deserve this. You did absolutely nothing to make your legislators lives absolute fucking hell. They have homes. They have kids. They have cars. They shop at stores for groceries. They get their medicine at pharmacies.
+But you know, doing anything means your a fed. So with that being said, you faggots deserve to suffer what you accept.
+--- 57992642
+>>57990998 (OP)
+Based, I now have one of the most powerful guns in Washington 
+Soon gangster fights will like hunt showdown
+--- 57992666
+>>57991201
+>the WA fag copes to deny he's worse off than CA
+--- 57992821
+>>57992666
+yeah i dont get it, we now have the worst gun laws in the country, or will in 2024. Our AWB bans virtually every semi automatic rifle. In order to be legal it needs to not have
+-Handguard
+-threaded barrel and/or ANY kind of muzzle device
+-Pistol grip
+-folding or thumbhole stock
+
+And even if you have a fixed magazine, it can only be 10rd or less. The only common semi automatic rifle that will be WA legal is the Garand. and ON TOP of this in 2024 we will require permit to purchase and the permit will require you to pay for education, submit your full medical records so if you ever fell for the mental healthcare trap of any kind you're not buying a gun ever, 2 week plus waiting period. It's truly a mess.
+
+I actually could have been OK with permit to purchase alone because IMO it is too easy to get automatics (particularly cheap handguns). A permit+special use tax for automatic firearms, funds from which would be used to fund efforts to get illegal guns off the streets, tax would reduce number of cheap handguns purchased/in circulation over time. It would have made some sense as a policy, it's annoying and I don't like it but I could see the theory of change. But instead we get a bill designed to deal with weapons used in about 1-2% of gun crimes in the state. And the permit makes no distinction between types of guns.
+--- 57992998
+>>57992821
+This legislation wasn't passed in order to make WA a safer place, this has been passed with the sole intent on stimulating black market economy...
+Learn your prohibition era history fæm.
+
+>>57990998 (OP)
+>Tacticool remlin
+>Picrel mfw
+--- 57994760
+>>57992821
+Aren't automatics federally banned? Or are you talking about autoloaders in general?
+--- 57994769
+>>57992260
+>please americans, do terrorism!
+
+t. mystery nigga
+--- 57994783
+>>57994769
+It doesn't have to be violent
+--- 57994803
+>>57992642
+>It's the broomhandle twink again
+--- 57994823
+>>57992260
+Glow
+--- 57994830
+>>57992998
+>This legislation wasn't passed in order to make WA a safer place, this has been passed with the sole intent on stimulating black market economy...
+Anon you thinking wrong.
+This legislation is spiteful legislation. IE find things your political opponents like and ban them.
+>stop liking things I don't like
+ Sole reason is to hurt your opponent, simple as.
+--- 57994840
+>>57994769
+Egg the homes. Shit on their front door steps.
+Slash the tires. Graffiti over government buildings saying something like politician x is cock-sucking dictator. Idk. Something to say it's a stupid thing.
+--- 57994844
+>>57994840
+>>57994783
+
+feel free to do this yourself.
+--- 57994855
+>>57994844
+I don't live there. Speaking of which, did anyone even write to the politicians about it?
+--- 57994868
+>>57994840
+Tell ya what, when an awb comes to your state you can throw away your life doing dumb shit to prove just how immature gun owners really are. Im good on all that.
+--- 57995097
+>>57990998 (OP)
+Woohoo, I finally have a seat at the cool kids table and it has sarsaparilla and beef jerky.
+>>57992821
+>A permit+special use tax for automatic firearms
+WA banned autos in the 90's. Even if you have a tax stamp.
+>>57994830
+>IE find things your political opponents like and ban them.
+They are also concerned that their goonsquad will get Rittenhouse'd if they start their shit again.
+--- 57995154
+>>57992821
+With the way the law is worded, isn't the Garand banned as well?
+--- 57995203
+>>57992642
+>Tiny twink with a broom handle Mauser that looks enormous in his hand forces a blowjob on you at gunpoint
+--- 57995305
+>>57995203
+Based
+--- 57995342
+>>57992642
+you got soft hands boy
+--- 57995348
+>>57991284
+>If it reverses how much lever actions have gone up in price
+LOL
+LMAO
+--- 57995362
+>>57992642
+How about you suck my dick? And also massage my balls with your soft hands.
+--- 57995489
+>>57995342
+Feet too
+But at least they’re not gonna take these away
+>>57992821
+Can’t FFL03 let you recieve old guns directly? They’re pretty much what’s left so no harm in getting one
+--- 57995501
+>>57995489
+Are you also Nagantfag?
+--- 57995543
+>>57995489
+What holster is thet? I’ve been looking for one to fit my Nagant besides the actual Nagant holster
+--- 57995552
+>>57995501
+I like old things
+--- 57995564
+>>57995543
+Some cheap hunter brand holster in an antique store
+--- 57995640
+>>57995489
+You have the toes of someone who wears thing style flip flops way too much
+--- 57995681
+>>57990998 (OP)
+>Complying
+--- 57995708
+>>57992821
+Oh my god you are such a faggot. Being okay with any of this is how you get all of it you dumb nigger.
+--- 57995738
+>>57995552
+That's not what I asked though innit? I asked if you were Nagantfag or not. What's the trigger pull like on that thing?
+--- 57995834
+>>57995738
+About equal to an enfield no 2 because you buy Chinese made springs on eBay and file and clip them
+--- 57995854
+>>57995708
+I'm not OK with anything given the current environment and bad faith negotiation from democrats. But if we went back to reset gun laws and make reasonable gun laws, requiring increased scrutiny for automatic (both semi and fully) weapons is sensible, while full bans of them aren't. Break actions/single shots shouldn't be regulated and manual actions shouldn't have much regulation either. 
+
+>>57995154
+No. It has no assault features except a 'barrel shroud' and you need to have one badboy feature plus detachable magazines. Garand uses a clip which is not a magazine. Then again, I guess they could try to get an AG opinion to redefine a clip as a magazine, not like they're trying to give people options here. 
+
+The way this is worded, it DOES ban other WW2/immediate postwar/interwar semi auto designs like the M14, BM59, Hakim, SVT, etc. The one common one that otherwise wouldn't be banned, the SKS, is banned by name.
+--- 57995874
+>>57994769
+>standing by their houses or where they work with signs is terrorism
+Okay Trudeau
+--- 57995953
+>>57995854
+No increased scrutiny for autos is not warranted retard. That shit is unconstitutional and just a foot in the door for more gun control. There is no scenario where your perfect 'reasonsble' laws get set up and then are never made worse. Because the people that actually pass gun control are liars and want complete disarmament. 'reasonable' gun control is a myth for useful idiots like you to slurp up so they can push the even worse shit that they actually want.
+--- 57995994
+>>57995834
+Why are you so strange Nagantfag? What did you even mean by this?
+--- 57996022
+lever action rifles are unironically amazingly fun
+--- 57996070
+>>57995854
+>make reasonable gun laws
+Faggot, keeping Americans from easily owning semi autos isn't reasonable at all. If you can't buy a semi auto on a whim in 10 minutes at the store, it's a tyrannical law.
+--- 57996077
+>>57995994
+That I mod cheap stuff to make it better 
+>Why are you so strange
+Out of everything that’s what crossed the line?
+--- 57996095
+>>57996070
+Yes
+--- 57996179
+>>57995854
+>(E) A fixed magazine in excess of seven rounds; or
+Good luck trying to argue the internal magazine on the Garand isn't actually an internal magazine (you will lose)
+--- 57996198
+>>57996179
+But the broomhandle isn’t targeted, right?
+--- 57996220
+>>57996198
+>not a rifle
+--- 57996248
+>>57996179
+>citing the text from the shotgun section when discussing rifles
+Fuck off retard. The limit for rifles is 10 just like every other AWB that has passed outside of that one in New York.
+--- 57996252
+>>57990998 (OP)
+Good. Been getting real tired of this AR nonsense.
+--- 57996266
+>>57996220
+What if they take me seriously and ban it for being an assault pistol/carbine
+--- 57996390
+>>57996248
+SHUT UP NIGGER!!! I READ IT AND IT SAYS WHAT I READ IT DOES
+DUMB NIGGER CAN’T READ
+DEMONCRATS WANNA BAN ALL THE GUNS AND STOP MASS SHOOTINGS, BUT THAT’S JUST MY CONSTITUTION RIGHTS!!!!!!!
+--- 57996425
+Did you Washingtonians buy enough lowers and uppers before this passed?
+--- 57996451
+>>57994769
+>just do nothing while your rights are taken away!
+Don't be surprised when you have no rights. He didn't even imply violence.
+--- 57996472
+>>57994868
+>prove just how immature gun owners really are
+There won't be gun owners once they get their way.
+--- 57996547
+>>57996252
+Cowardly faggot
+--- 57996550
+>>57996451
+He’s literally talking about murdering children, you people are fucking weird. I just like gun control more now.
+--- 57996573
+>>57996451
+>He didn't even imply violence.
+>They have kids.
+What do you feel he was implying here then retard?
+--- 57996705
+>>57996550
+>He’s literally talking about murdering children
+Show me the part where he says "murder their children".
+>>57996573
+They are part of a wider community and have routines in the world. People have successfully harassed politicians into changing their vote on something before.
+--- 57996715
+>your move /k/
+--- 57996786
+>>57996715
+That's banned
+--- 57996794
+>>57992821
+>I actually could have been OK with permit to purchase alone because IMO it is too easy to get automatics
+
+I see why it passed.
+--- 57997052
+>>57992821
+>Rifles are only 2% of murders
+People should stop citing this. It makes guns rights activists look disingenuous or uniformed. While this is true based on how the data is reported, over 42% of gun murders don't have any weapon type reported. Assuming none of those are rifles is baseless. We should assume that rifles are as represented as they are in the murders that do have a type. Also, PCCs end up in "Other Guns," being the most common type there (shotguns have their own category).
+
+That makes rifles and pistol caliber carbines more like 8-9% of homicides, which is still low.
+
+The problem is that this missed what reformers and voter have cared about, which is spree killings. Most murders are domestics or gang bangers and people don't see themselves or kids being involved in that segment. A classroom of children getting killed is more salient. Also, with domestics, people rightly assume many of the murders might occur anyhow with other weapons.
+
+What IS a good argument is that crime is way, way down over the past thirty years, even with the pandemic bump. This isn't true everywhere, but it is true most places. Which begs the question "why do we need new laws when crime has plunged in places that haven't done new gun control or even made it easier to get weapons?"
+
+Vermont, Idaho, and New Hampshire have the lowest murder rates and aren't particularly strict on firearms. Washington already is a very low murder rate state (Arkansas, Missouri, Mississippi, and Louisiana are legit worse than Uganda and Zimbabwe and twice NYC's surge rate in 2020 lol, fuck hell, but that only proves it comes down to other factors)
+--- 57997729
+>Average Seattle gang war arsenals ca. 2025
+--- 57997998
+>>57990998 (OP)
+So I'm reading the bill here. And am curious about this situation.
+
+>Use 3D printer to print AR-15 lower
+>Build my gun
+>Get questioned about it
+>tell them I printed the AR-15 lower before the bill went into effect
+
+Like, there's not really any way for them to know whether or not that's true, right? Because as it is now as I understand it, there was never a requirement for registering self made firearms.
+
+At the very least, creative firearms will probably end up coming out of this. I think printing an FGC-9 will still be legal no matter what.
+--- 57998034
+>>57997052
+>even with the pandemic bump
+This is just not true at all, murders are at or in excess of 90's highs
+--- 57998089
+>>57990998 (OP)
+>Implying they wont go after lever actions because of muh high capacity tubes suitable for skull shooting.
+--- 57998129
+>>57992821
+Picrel is not banned
+No barrel shroud or threaded barrel
+KelTec chads stay winning
+--- 57998155
+>>57992642
+--- 57998183
+>>57998129
+Doesn't the detachable magazine and handguard make it banned?
+--- 57998193
+>>57998183
+it looks scary and will probably be used in a shooting at some point so yes it's effectively banned. Right now? Shadowbanned.
+--- 57999092
+>>57992821
+>Handguard
+My rifle doesn't have a handguard or barrel shroud. It does have an operating rod shroud.
+
+Am I OK?
+--- 57999250
+>>57992260
+--- 57999525
+>>57997998
+NSA niggers pull the metadata on when you downloaded the file and when you sent it to the printer
+--- 57999562
+>>57990998 (OP)
+Nobody should have to be forced to engage in my cowboy larping; I think it's about time I leave this state, for now my birth-state's (California) influence is becoming very apparent now.
+--- 57999607
+>>57990998 (OP)
+They'll come for those too. And your bolt action- no one needs a high power sniper rifle.
+--- 57999617
+>>57999562
+You’re just salty because you didn’t have a cowboy kit beforehand
+--- 57999646
+>>57996550
+You could easily just pay other kids to bully or even just tell them not to play with someone because their dad is a cocksucker. Why do you fuck wits always go to the most extreme shot possible? Egg their house, key their car, ostracize their children. You forget our whole society is pussy, to include the scumbag politicians.
+--- 57999701
+>>57999617
+My friend, what did you think I mean when I said "my cowboy larping"? I would be the last guy to be salty here.
+--- 57999744
+>>57999607
+first it will be high power sniper style rifles, bolt action rifles are weapons of war, pump action shotguns are also used in war too. No weapons of war on our streets!!
+then it will be cowboy style weapons, no lever actions, revolvers or break actions!
+finally pirate style weapons, no deadly black powder, which is also detrimental to air quality!
+--- 57999769
+>>57998129
+Has a barrel shroud you chud. Look at how the law defines it. If this gun had a fixed mag it would be legal but it does not. They basically designed this ban to be a "all semi automatic rifles that are not a garand" ban.
+--- 57999793
+>>57999744
+I feel like semi auto pistols are next
+--- 57999807
+>>57992260
+t. Noguns foreigner
+--- 57999842
+>>57998034
+Source?
+--- 57999946
+>>57999793
+I can only hope revolvers are spared
+--- 58000041
+>>57999769
+I can guarantee you they will prosecute someone for selling a garand within the next 6 months
+--- 58000228
+>>58000041
+USA is dead. I'm going somewhere white.
+--- 58000254
+>>58000228
+This
+--- 58000268
+>>57999525
+>download 3d print gun schematics using VPN
+>buy custom printer that's off the network
+antichrist BTFO
+
+>captcha: HAXGS
+--- 58000289
+If you fags weren't so pro-police, you would still have rights. Retards, the right wingers originally empowered the government to do this shit in the name of stopping terrorism. Americunts deserve total NWO enslavement.
+--- 58000312
+>>57992260
+
+Absolute fucking nonsense. It'll take a bit for a case to reach the Supreme Court, but once it does the ban will be dismissed with prejudice.
+--- 58000329
+>>57997729
+Tally ho. Hos
+--- 58000331
+>>57992260
+Americans fear the collapse of their own government more than anything. They never had the balls to start a war. America isn't exactly known for winning wars this century.
+--- 58000421
+>>57994769
+george washington was a terrorist
+--- 58000449
+>>58000312
+Tell that to California
+--- 58000545
+>>57992260
+Lol at all the Americans scared of disobeying the gov, guns are for shooting deer and niggas nothing more
+--- 58000834
+>>58000545
+guns are for NOTHING except for serving your country, and for police when they come arrest you for a Facebook post
+--- 58000850
+>>57990998 (OP)
+>cowboy shooting renaissance
+You mean I'll get to shoot cowboys? Wtf I love WA now
+--- 58000872
+>>58000850
+Screw this country and my debt+loans, I'm going to Spain. Adios Mutts, I'm going somewhere white for a change.
+--- 58001222
+>>58000872
+>white
+>Spain
+Do we tell him?
+--- 58001758
+>>58001222
+checked, but Spain is whiter than USA
+--- 58001863
+>>57999769
+so somebody can make a new plastic shell and woodscrew kit that doesn't have the barrel shroud, and then you can pin or fix your magazine in place.
+--- 58001868
+>>58000449
+California dems are shidding their pants in the wake of the Bruen decision. I just read an article a while back about how Gavin Newsom was really concerned the AWB and mag limit laws are going to get btfo
+--- 58001871
+>>57997998
+Did they ban spooky ghost guns yet?
+--- 58001873
+>cyberpunk timeline with revolvers and police operated killbots
+--- 58001992
+>>58000872
+Spain has terrible gun laws and worse self defense laws than NY city. Enjoy.
+--- 58002012
+>>58001758
+Spain has elected social democrat government after social democrat government, they'll have a massive African population within two decades at the most.
+--- 58002036
+>>57994840
+Yeah making all gun owners look like irresponsible clowns is definitely going to help us get our way and won't strengthen the opposition, great idea
+--- 58002078
+>>58002036
+We shouldn't make this about guns at all. We need to make this about fighting authoritarianism.
+--- 58002081
+>>58001868
+>Bruen is going to change everything! Just 2 more weeks! Even though it hasn't changed a single thing since it was ruled.
+Going to be funny ten years down the line when even more states have AWB's and people are still going to be spouting this retarded Bruen trust the plan shit.
+--- 58002089
+>>57990998 (OP)
+Isn't there a good chance the law will get overturned?
+--- 58002094
+>>58002081
+At this point, trusting any government entity bemarks a fool. They want nothing more than your firearms, and it's for a good reason. The US government is still unsure what would happen if the people rose up. The people aren't defeated yet.
+--- 58002102
+>>57992260
+The FBI is now looking for you.
+--- 58002129
+>>58002089
+Not after the mass shootings that will happen this year right before the 2024 elections. Look at Australia.
+
+>>58002102
+Not him, but no they're not. I've posted edgier shit about slaying pigs. Anons reported me but I went and bought guns the next week. You're an auth fasc retard with control power delusions who thinks government is everywhere so you want to join them deep inside, because your life lacks meaning and purpose. Those are the actual CIA's words on people like you.
+>people with authoritarian personalities will always overestimate the power of authority
+--- 58002132
+>>57992260
+100% correct
+--- 58002137
+>>58001868
+i still don't know what the fuck benitez is waiting for. CA is going to appeal that shit anyway, let's get it going
+--- 58002167
+>>58002129
+Just because they didn't do anything doesn't mean you haven't been upped on their priority monitoring.
+--- 58002177
+>>58002167
+Schizos like you never realize that if they're watching everybody then they're watching nobody. The fact of the matter is the feds have their hands so full of stuff they aren't watching most people on basketweaving forums.
+--- 58002214
+>>58002177
+>he thinks watching means there's an actual wagie looking at all his texts
+--- 58002223
+>>57992260
+>>58002132
+>attack the politicians for being corrupt
+You dumb right-wing MAGAtards tried this on January 6, and achieved nothing. Less than nothing. You were baited into ""attacking"" exactly on your opponent's terms. Same thing will happen this time. If one of those pro-dystopia politicians suddenly gets sniped, that will be enough to sway the sheep's opinion into Australia-tier bans. Then, the pro-gun activists would have no legal recourse. They would have to fight there and then. And all for the life of a replaceable pawn. 
+
+>>58002167
+>I am now higher on the priority monitoring list
+What does that even mean? How does that influence my life at all whatsoever? I don't want a clearance. I know how to hide from glowies online if I wanted because I can hack. I suppose the glowies would know this, but they can't do anything about that. They're not able to track down my TOR node on a Pi that I left in Mexico City last time I visited. Additionally, if I'm on a list then so is literally everyone here including (you). I'm relatively normal -- I'm straight, employed, educated, and not a weeb. Basically, you're just a Nazi so you think government knows everything. I've openly challenged the FBI to a fight to the death out here before. Bring it the fuck on.
+--- 58002256
+RedHats are fucking retards. The Feds are still legally tracking and sentencing people who were there on Jan 6.
+>Sun Tzu clearly said:
+>do NOT make an idle threat
+>what did the retards do on January 6th?
+
+>>58002214
+>>58002177
+Checked. At most, what we're talking about gets fed to some kind of AI analytics machine. 
+
+>FBI is tracking me right now
+I have a 10k host botnet so I have 10k IP's. I'm unironically smarter (and stronger) than they are. They're dumb fat boomers.
+--- 58002278
+Important to not that the Washington ban is on new sales. Existing guns are grandfathered in to t their current owners. Although I heard if an owner dies, no one can inherit the assault weapon. Looks like they are trying to virtually eliminate them from the state permanently over the next however-many decades.
+--- 58002290
+>>58002223
+It is a catch-22 situation, politically it's pretty evident that unless something like 90% of the population were suddenly pro-gun then gun rights are basically going to become worse and worse and nothing can really change it. But on the other hand any serious violent or aggressive attempt to improve the situation would immediately wipe away whatever gun rights were left not even a day later, so it's kind of fucked any way you go.
+--- 58002291
+>>58002089
+The law does go against all supreme court rulings on what the second amendment protects, but politicians and Washingtonians don't care about rights.
+--- 58002313
+>>58002291
+States can just keep challenging it over and over while keeping their current AWBs up anyways, so expecting the supreme court to do anything isn't a good idea regardless.
+--- 58002373
+>>58002290
+>we need 90% of the population on our side
+Wrong, we just need states that have populations (and cops and politicians) who are unwilling to budge another inch on gun rights.
+
+>gun rights will keep getting worse
+Mostly due to overpopulation. 100 years ago, you used to be free to go out in the woods and shoot your revolver. Now, there's barely any such woods left. And they're all private property. More humans means shooting recreationally becomes gayer, as shooting requires a lot of open space.
+
+>catch 22 between waiting and fighting now
+If we (the governed) stop cooperating with the system, it's possible to dismantle the whole system without violence. For example, securing free communications like the ones we are having right now. The government cannot rule without the consent of the governed. The best possible outcome at this point is to collapse the system, because any scenario where the system (as it is) survives is a dystopia. They give you paper instead of gold.
+--- 58002385
+>>58002012
+>This
+Also forget about jobs, guns and non castrated dogos.
+t. Eurospic
+--- 58002422
+I already realized this a few years ago. I have all the "tactical" stuff I need and I'm bored of it, I don't feel like I'm cucking out by leaving that stuff in my safe and taking my revolver/tikka/lever action to the range and smiling the whole time. They will never even think about taking my cowboy guns. No magazines to buy, no state cuckery on buying "scary" ammo at big box stores, I just play by the rules and don't think about whatever fake and gay legislation is coming down the pipe. Clears my head to not worry about my guns getting me put on a list.
+--- 58002872
+PNWers were needlessly cocky for so many years about their shitholes too, and now look at them.
+--- 58002932
+>>58002036
+You people are hilarious. Everything you value will be stripped from you and you will win nothing and own nothing amd I'll dox you so I can come lol at you again and again for winning nothing.
+--- 58002944
+>>58002932
+>you people
+don't forget, you're here forever
+--- 58002958
+>>58002944
+I've been here longer than you've been alive zoomer. Nice bot post tho 
+And yes you people. Lmao
+--- 58003116
+>>57992821
+>I actually could have been OK with permit to purchase alone because IMO it is too easy to get automatics (particularly cheap handguns). A permit+special use tax for automatic firearms, funds from which would be used to fund efforts to get illegal guns off the streets, tax would reduce number of cheap handguns purchased/in circulation over time. It would have made some sense as a policy, it's annoying and I don't like it but I could see the theory of change.
+You unironically deserve this. I hope a nigger breaks into your house you subhuman piece of shit.
+--- 58003414
+I heard .50 BMG was banned outright. Is that true?
+--- 58003483
+>>58003414
+The Barrett rifles were banned by name but I don't think .50 BMG as a caliber was banned, so single-shots are still allowed.
+--- 58004105
+>>57992642
+Hey it's the mauser twink again
+--- 58004169
+>>57990998 (OP)
+It's not Washington anymore...silly
+It's shultzheimerbergsteinville 
+
+There's a statue of Jorge shultzheimerbergstein in London and I'm heading there in a couple of weeks to put a plaque over the name that says 
+'beto shultzheimerbergstein'
+
+Haha it's gonna be freaking awesome

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@@ -49,3 +49,591 @@ Your thread sucks sorry
 --- 57991367
 >>57991355
 not my thread, impotent nigger
+--- 57991479
+>>57991367
+K
+--- 57991972
+>>57991086 (OP)
+Stupid question but were Little Boy and Fat Man parachute retarded? And how common was parachute retardation in WW2?
+
+>>57991206
+Apparently, I don’t get Japs, the Germans said sorry for the fucked shit they did but Japan still has a tachi up their arse about The Great Based’erning of 1937-1945, and then has the gall to cry about the Yanks nuking them.
+--- 57991995
+>>57991298
+New anon here, it would absolutely mean the end of the world. Not in a physical sense, but our way of living would go down the toilet. International supply chain would cease to exist and global wealth would take a nosedive. Or to put it in a language you would be able to understand. You won't be able to shitpost on 4chan anymore.
+--- 57991999
+>>57991086 (OP)
+This gif makes me hate humanity in general and WW2 US leaders in particular so much more than id would admit it.
+--- 57992008
+The only winner of that war will be the southern hemisphere. Do you really want an Australian-lead world?
+--- 57992024
+>>57992008
+It would be pretty kino (also wouldn’t Aus get nuked too?)
+--- 57992036
+>>57991086 (OP)
+>murders milions of chinese, to the point that one of their massacres is called "the rape of nanchin" 
+>act smugly boasting about head cutting competitions of british and american pow
+>NOOOOOOO NOT THE HECKIN CONSEQUENCERINOS FOR MY ACTIONERINOOOOOOOS
+why are gooks like this? fuckign yellow subhuman monkeys i fucking hate those animals so much bros
+--- 57992055
+>>57991972
+
+Uh oh, sounds like two towers weren't enough. Little ソイボイ needs another 20 year timeout in the sandbox.
+--- 57992068
+>>57992036
+
+9/11 never fergit the dulgurn dangnab consequences of my actions mhmm nahmsayn y'all
+--- 57992073
+>>57991179
+keeping people ignorant can work wonders. Russian Wagner is still telling Africa how Putin is gonna absolve billions of debt any day now when what they're referring to was actually the fall of the Soviet Union.
+--- 57992084
+>>57992055
+I’m not American :(
+--- 57992086
+>>57992008
+
+Depends
+--- 57992091
+A Strange Thread.
+The only winning move is
+To call OP a Fag.
+--- 57992094
+>>57992084
+
+Ew.
+--- 57992107
+>>57991972
+>Stupid question but were Little Boy and Fat Man parachute retarded?
+To allow the planes enough time to fuck off from blast radius
+--- 57992116
+>>57991086 (OP)
+Only losers in a nuclear war.
+Even faggot putler knows that, even with all his "muh nuke" cope.
+--- 57992120
+>>57991086 (OP)
+
+That's one of the most grim things I have ever scene. Gives me an absolute sense of hopelessness.
+--- 57992125
+>>57992008
+Australian led world you say?
+--- 57992128
+Americans be like
+>Russian nukes don't work!
+
+and when Russia will respond to this doubt and start testing nukes to prove to them, that Russian nukes work to restore deterrence, and prevent Americans from acting stupid, those dumb Americans will be like:
+>RRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, RUSSIA IS TESTING NUKES, ITS UNACCEPTABLE, HOW DARE YOU!!! ITS DURTY!!
+--- 57992148
+>>57991179
+Once you also understand the scope of how much the 90s fucked Russia, them having an operational nuclear arsenal becomes genuinely impressive.
+--- 57992151
+>>57992036
+Edgy equivocations aside, post war Strategic Bombing Survey showed nukes/firebombing wasn't necessary and didn't make that much of a difference, but that is hindsight. So its just something else that shouldn't have been done.
+
+>It is the opinion of the Survey that by August 1945, even without direct air attack on her cities and industries, the over- all level of Japanese war production would have declined below the peak levels of 1944 by 40 to 50 percent solely as a result of the interdiction of overseas imports
+
+>A successful attack on the Hakkodate
+rail ferry, the Kanmon tunnels and 19 bridges and vulnerable sections of line so selected as to set up five separate zones of complete interdiction would have virtually eliminated further coal movements, would have immobilized the remainder of the rail system through lack of coal, and would have completed the strangulation of Japan's economy
+
+>Had the level of production been any higher, however, aluminum stocks would have been exhausted and aluminum would have become the controlling bottleneck. In any event, not enough aircraft engines w^ere being produced to equip the airframes. Aircraft engine production was plagued by shortages of special steels, but in July 1945, plant damage and delay in completing the underground and dispersed plants staned in the spring of the year temporarily prevented the full use of the small stocks of such steels available at the time. Output of radar and radio equipment was limited by plant capacity, the small factories supplying parts having been destroyed in the Tokyo city raids and many of the larger plants either destroyed or forced to disperse. Shipbuilding and heavy ordnance production were limited by the availability of steel. Oil refineries, aluminum plants and steel plants w ere basically limited by lack of foreign raw materials.
+--- 57992179
+>>57992128
+If they uh said the rest of the nukes didn't work after the test would they continue testing and where would the testing take place?
+--- 57992195
+>>57992008
+That's what the Halo universe canonically is.
+--- 57992197
+>>57992148
+>>57991179
+Didn't Russia also try several (like 5 or 6) nuclear tests as a show of force but not a single one worked?
+
+Russia is like "Schrödinger's nuclear power" right now. They both are and aren't one. We have no idea which ones work and neither do they. None may work at all. Either way I doubt Russia is a global nuclear threat by this point anymore.
+
+And China only has a few hundred nukes.
+--- 57992207
+The nukes were intended to intimidate Stalin and japanese civilians paid the price. Japanese people, in their heart of hearts, hope that they will see American civilians drink from the same bitter cup in their lifetime.
+--- 57992311
+>>57991086 (OP)
+Yes, America could easily win a nuclear war.
+
+>BUBUBUBUT LE MIGHTY PUSSIA HAS MORE MISSILES!!!
+Not only a small fraction of them work but if Putin gave the order to launch, there would be insubordination, hesitation and doubt in the chain of command, it would be a mess and they would probably think it's a false alarm and never launch anything.
+
+>BBUBUBUBBUT CHYNA STRONK!!!!
+Chinks don't have the capability of attacking mainland America, they might fuck up Japan, Taiwan and South Korea but that's it.
+--- 57992324
+>>57991086 (OP)
+No one "Wins" a nuclear war.
+--- 57992336
+>>57992197
+Russia can probably lob a glorified v2 at a Euro city.
+--- 57992372
+>>57992179
+I can just speculate that around 5 tests would be enough to quell any doubts
+
+Russia probably won't start nuke testing first, i rather expect that USA will start testing nukes first because Americans are SCARED SHITLESS of China and the fact that China can destroy US forces in the pacific with just conventional means. Nukes are the only type of advantage Americans have over China. So Americans will be ramping up nuclear signalling up and up each year, untill somewhere in 2025 new US president would test nukes in the Pacific. After this we will see Russia and China return to their own nuclear tests.
+--- 57992470
+>>57992372
+Sure buddy.
+--- 57992516
+>>57992470
+or Americans can just act like weasels again and give nukes to Australia and tell them to test nukes. Just so that people would blame Australia and it will make Australia a target.
+
+Russia could respond by giving nukes to Belarus and also pretend that its Belarus testing nukes, not Russia. And then China can also give nukes to Hong Kong and claim that its Hong Kong testing nukes, not China itself. Everyone seem to be playing dumb games like that.
+--- 57992852
+>>57991999
+But the firebombings were fine, and convincing your citizens to thrown their children off cliffs was fine too? Right right?
+--- 57992862
+>>57992008
+I now fear nuclear war.
+--- 57992877
+>>57991086 (OP)
+Two nukes weren't enough considering the war crimes the Japs committed in WW2.
+--- 57992880
+>>57992151
+Ya I am fine with admitting terror bombing doesn't work. But idiots who use hindsight to justify their disagreement with leaders of the time using the best information they had is retarded. We only now know it doesn't work because we tried it then.
+--- 57992984
+>>57992372
+>Russia probably won't start nuke testing first,
+because none of their nukes work.
+>i rather expect that USA will start testing nukes first
+We had a couple within the last 10 years I think, we don't need more we maintain our military.
+>because Americans are SCARED SHITLESS of China
+lmao, nobody but the chinese are afraid of china. They're a weak corrupt government, their battleships are pieces of shit that are made of rusting metal, and their entire infrastructure from cities, to dams, to their entire military are the same way. If anybody was afraid of china, nobody is now after seeing how bad covid fucked them, their collapsing cities, their poisoned dams, etc. 
+>and the fact that China can destroy US forces in the pacific with just conventional means.
+lol, are you paid to be this stupid
+--- 57992996
+>>57992516
+>or Americans can just act like weasels again and give nukes to Australia and tell them to test nukes. Just so that people would blame Australia and it will make Australia a target.
+what kinda crackhead looney toons fantasy world do you live in chief
+--- 57993569
+>>57991086 (OP)
+Stupid Burgers, Russia would turn Belgorod into glowing rubble before you could even react. Meanwhile your missiles don't even have a song about them
+--- 57993640
+>>57993569
+>Russia would turn Belgorod into glowing rubble before you could even react
+WW3 starts, Russia bombs Voronezh
+--- 57993676
+>>57992984
+The last nuclear test the US did was in the early 90s anon, unless the claim is they did it sneakily without anyone noticing
+--- 57993752
+>>57993569
+Denis Maidanov made a music video where he was rocking out on the deck of the Moskva in the Black Sea and then made one in an ICBM base which is both ominous but might lead to an ironic and funny conclusion if the pattern holds.
+
+I'm not a superstitious person but I think God might also have a sense of humor and he speaks through musicians.
+--- 57993773
+Nuclear bombs aren't even real you dumb fuck.
+--- 57993787
+>>57991086 (OP)
+>Can the US win a nuclear war
+>win a nuclear war
+>win
+Are you retarded?
+--- 57993812
+>>57993773
+Yeah but what if they were real doe, would you wanna risk it? It's like Pascal's wager but for nuclear weapons instead of God. But what is God but Peace?
+--- 57993857
+>>57993812
+god he's such a faggot. 
+Anyway, I would, Russia's military is more jank than China's with worse infrastructure. If they even have functioning nukes, I'd bet 100 to 1 odds that the nuke would go off in the launch tube before ever hitting the target, doubt it'd reach Ukraine even if it did. 
+
+They'd be better off sneaking in a suicide bomber with a suitcase nuke to their enemy country of choice. And they lost almost a hundred of those lmao.
+--- 57993878
+>>57992372
+Huh. Japanese furry costumes are instantly more tolerable to me for some reason.
+--- 57994127
+>>57993676
+This one of the main reasons I think most of the Russian nuclear arsenal might not actually work (besides being broke and muh nepotism). The last nuclear tests may have been decades ago, but the US has plenty of data to run through massive ad hoc supercomputer clusters for detonation physics simulations. Does Russia have anything even close to comparable? This a genuine question. The US has literally 100k plus people spread out over multiple facilities to keep their nuclear arsenal maintained and functional, and our budget just to keep our nuclear arsenal comfy is more than the entire Russian military budget.
+--- 57994223
+>>57991086 (OP)
+>win
+They will be hit by a handful of nukes and China and Russia will be gone.
+So yes, I'd call it a win.
+--- 57994273
+>>57993676
+I could've sworn we had one in Bush's era, jsut one, maybe I'm misremembering
+>>57994127
+>The last nuclear tests may have been decades ago, but the US has plenty of data to run through massive ad hoc supercomputer clusters for detonation physics simulations. Does Russia have anything even close to comparable? This a genuine question. The US has literally 100k plus people spread out over multiple facilities to keep their nuclear arsenal maintained and functional, and our budget just to keep our nuclear arsenal comfy is more than the entire Russian military budget.
+This is my main point as well. Even if the tests aren't recent, even without the data crunchers, we still maintain our military 100%. Most of our budget goes to the military, countries pay us to be their defacto military, we continually invest in our soldiers, tech and warfare every year without fail. 
+
+America might be corrupt like every other country, but not so much that our facilities are falling apart worldwide. Our jets work, our boats work, or weapons are tip top shape, we have new weapons every few years, and our personnel are trained adequately despite the POZ'd shit. 
+
+No other military has what we have in this regard barring maybe NORK and they have no budget with pitiful weapons comparatively, but little to no corruption given the scope.
+--- 57994275
+>>57991086 (OP)
+The US has had nuclear primacy since we retrofitted the W76 with the MC4700 fuse. We could destroy Russia's entire arsenal before any of them got off the ground.
+--- 57994299
+>>57991995
+1) Lurk 2 years newfag
+2) If the US launches first, it's unlikely that Russia would be able to hit back, and if they did there is a good chance the surviving warheads would be targeted at an empty silo in North Dakota.
+--- 57994350
+>>57991999
+Start shit, get hit.
+--- 57994412
+>>57992852
+>>57994350
+I'm sure manga people were doing some horrible shit too at that time, but come on, nuclear fire on cities, really ? That's untenable, even according US general standards.
+--- 57994597
+>>57991086 (OP)
+Memes aside there are no winners In nuclear war
+--- 57994624
+>>57991995
+Read up on global economics anon. There's a reason we're living in a world of plenty.
+--- 57994639
+>>57992055
+Are you having a stroke?
+--- 57994688
+>>57991999
+In an all out war you use the most effective weapons you have at hand simply.
+--- 57994805
+>>57991999
+The Japanese got off lightly
+--- 57994821
+>>57991086 (OP)
+I mean, America(only whites can be American) would win big in any strategic nuclear exchange as we would be essentially unharmed while all competitors domestic and foreign would be crippled.
+
+I mean if they want a white nationalist empire to murder half the world I'm all for it. If nothing else any economic loss will be covered by not spending 3 Trillion bucks cumulatively on nogs, beans, and jews.
+--- 57994834
+>>57991086 (OP)
+The maintenance of a rocket is quite difficult, and resource heavy. The maintenance of a nuclear warhead is incredibally expensive, and requires excessive precision manufacturing and engineering. If the ring of enriched uranium is not perfect, if there are any imperfections, any contamination, if the neutron charge is not perfect, if the precision layered explosives are not perfect, if there is dust in the chainber, if any of the components have not been replaced regularly... you get a fizzle, not an explosion. 
+Russia suposedly has 5977 nuclear warheads. The US has a similar number of warheads (5428) and spends on average between 35 - 98 billion $ per year to maintain the arsenal. The russian anual GDP is around 1.7 trillion $. That's 2.9% of the GDP. 
+Do you really, really think that is something russia is willing to do? Pay that much? Is it capable? And even if is, do you really think none of that is stolen?
+I honestly don't really believe russia has many functioning nukes.
+--- 57994846
+>>57992036
+Rape of Nanchin is vastly over estimated, that said they did drop plague bombs so they don't don't really have much reason to bitch about the heckin nukerinos. Don't blame america for beating you at your own game, its just what we do.
+
+>>57992068
+9/11 was the consequences of Mossad paying mudlimes to do a terrorism because they wanted Iraq knocked down a peg.
+--- 57994870
+>>57993787
+I mean until the mid 60s America likely could have caught the majority of the USSR or China arsenal on the ground then bombed them into dust over a month's time. And if one or even two dozen nukes managed to tag US cities, yes by any definition that is a victorious war. We've been spoiled by having the largest moat in history.
+--- 57994885
+>>57994821
+That what ifalthist guy is such a fucking back lol
+--- 57995149
+>>57994885
+He's such a joke. I utterly despise moderates; insane libtards may be addicted to virtue signaling but habitual centrists are just conflict avoidant pussies. Also what the fuck is wrong with this slob's chest hair, its like somebody transplanted negroid follicles onto him. Come on man, if you are a pudgy wimp at least button up your shirt this ain't a Fabio novel cover you're posing for.
+https://youtu.be/SYnGXNmpb-M?t=573 [Embed]
+--- 57995550
+>>57991086 (OP)
+Topkek, I laughed uncontrollably while watching that webm
+>WAHHHHH look what teh ebil yankee did to us, feel bad for us PLEASE!!! I’m the victim!!!!
+HAHAHHAHA LMFAO KEKEKEKEK, get fucked you subhuman gook
+--- 57995617
+>>57991086 (OP)
+--- 57995725
+>>57991086 (OP)
+Maybe?
+It could be that the reason Russia's military went to dog shit is that the money is mostly going to maintaining its nuclear capability.
+In the case of the PRC, I wouldn't worry, as their gear has "Made In China" stamped in moon runes on the side, so it's probably defective.
+--- 57995750
+>>57995617
+The best of all timelines.
+--- 57995784
+>>57991086 (OP)
+Thanks OP.
+That webm may be the best fap I've had in ages.
+I managed to make it to the part where the woman with a baby gets torched, but that was too much for me not to blow.
+--- 57995855
+>>57991999
+Japanese leadership was willing to sacrifice 50% of the population of the Home Islands in the expected invasion, in order to kill a million GIs, because they thought that this would cause the American public to give up and force the US government to negotiate, at which point Japan would get most of what it wanted simply by threatening to continue the war.
+
+In fact, many generals were willing to sacrifice 90%+ of the population; the only reason for the 50% number was because internal police warned that if half the population was killed, enough of the survivors might revolt against the government to successfully overthrow it, and they viewed sacrifice as something for underlings, not themselves.
+
+The first Bomb didn't even really phase them; they had probably the best nuclear program outside of the US, and were able to correctly(!) deduce not just how the weapon worked, but how much HEU it required, *and* that the US would probably only be able to enrich enough for a couple Bombs a year, which made nukes less of a threat than firebombings.
+
+And then Nagasaki blew up, and scientists detected lots of plutonium in the aftermath. Plutonium was too "hot": it was impossible to build a Bomb with, and yet, somehow, the US had managed it (thanks to the innovation that was the implosion device). Worse, pure plutonium is a lot easier to produce than pure U-235, which meant the US might not be bluffing when it claimed to have "hundreds" of Bombs ready to go (it *was* a bluff; just normal propaganda, with only a third Bomb nearing completion and then one coming out every ~10 days). Suddenly, Hirohito had to ask himself whether Japan might not lose 50% of its population before the first GI waded ashore. He could go down in history as the Emperor who lost not just his own life, but the entire dynasty.
+
+Hirohito folded.
+--- 57995979
+>>57994412
+They had orders to murder all POWs as soon as any GIs landed on the Home Islands. Also, they were killing ~100,000 civilians a month in the territories they still occupied at the war's end.
+--- 57995999
+>>57992311
+>Chinks don't have the capability of attacking mainland America
+Imagine still thinking that in 2023
+--- 57996003
+>>57991086 (OP)
+>Russia
+Very unlikely Russia's nuclear missiles still function. Maybe a few, but considering their anemic economy and how fucking expensive a nuclear program is, it's unlikely they work.
+>China
+Probably has working missiles but their stockpile is too small. Might inflict some damage, but the US can probably intercept most of them.
+
+Chinese seaboard and Three Gorges Dam would be fairly fucked, though.
+--- 57996021
+>>57991999
+--- 57996044
+>>57995999
+>believing chicom propaanda 
+lmao, they can't even build cities without them falling apart because they make everything out of balsa wood, you expect me to believe their missiles are top of the line?
+--- 57996049
+>>57991999
+You'd be a lot more angry if we'd invaded
+--- 57996164
+>>57992372
+>I can just speculate that around 5 tests would be enough to quell any doubts
+I don't care if your warhead reliably ignites, when the launch platform they're attached to is unreliable. Just look at Russia's recent failed Sarmat (Satan II) ICBM test, and the many, many failed tests of their Bulava SLBM. The Bulava even gave use great shows like the Norway lights, because they could never get their second and third stages reliable enough to actually be combat effective. They then rushed them into service and scream MUH SUPER SUB MUH NOOOKS with them knowing full well they're unreliable. What good is 10 state-of-the-art RVs if the rocket you attach them to doesn't reliably get them to their intended targets? The US pulls random MMIIIs and tests them yearly, and hasn't had one failure of any stage in the flight profile. Can Russia make a warhead ignite reliably? Probably. Can they get it to the US or Europe? I'm not too confident they could.
+--- 57996194
+>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST BOMB US AFTER WE BOMBED YOU
+Hiroshima and Nagasaki are history's ultimate example of "talk shit, get hit"
+--- 57996203
+>>57996044
+>don't worry, their weapons don't work bro.
+wtf is this kind of cope?
+--- 57996228
+>>57991102
+That's why they're stationing them in Belarus now.
+--- 57996283
+>>57996044
+There's a Chinese space station flying above your head right now. They can build functional missiles.
+--- 57996292
+>>57996203
+May I see them working?
+--- 57996299
+>>57996283
+apples and oranges
+--- 57996305
+>>57996283
+>There's a Chinese space station flying above your head right now.
+Proof?
+--- 57996528
+>>57996203
+>they never show them working
+>when they do it's pathetic
+>any systems or projects that do "work" do so poorly
+lmao, cope, sure chink
+>>57996283
+oh wow, one thing that works, congrats! Now lets see your navy, army, infrastructure, DAMS. OH WAIT every single video of your naval fleets, soldiers, cities, etc has them all malfunctioning or crumbling! Your shitty chinknesium materials tend to do that, good thing your army is good at policing the people so they don't notice how badly they're getting microdicked down by the CCP!
+--- 57996554
+>>57991086 (OP)
+why so MAD OP?
+--- 57996753
+>>57991086 (OP)
+> Can
+It's possible the US could win with a first strike if the Russian and Chinese subs are kept under control. Especially Russia is vulnerable here, and both Russian and Chinese nuclear ports are under higher pressure than American ones. Those new Chinese missile silos might make them more likely to have assets that survive a first strike (three silos per missile making the cost of taking them out prohibitive).
+> Will
+Never, because you'll have to have a 100% success rate or have conditions where swallowing millions of your own dead would be okay.
+--- 57997015
+>>57996753
+>Russian subs
+lmoa do they even have any at this point? Their entire "navy" got gassed by the ukraine who has none. I'd be surprised if any still sail. 
+China might have some, sure, but there's no way America can't detect their shitty knock off subs with superior tech.
+--- 57997357
+>>57992055
+>ソイボイ
+>What the fuck is an niboi?
+>Realization.jpg
+When the FUCK are the Japs gonna fix their shitty ass katakana? God damn like 2 years and 1000 kanji into this hellshit language and so, n, tsu, and shi still fuck me up
+--- 57997435
+>>57997357
+be glad you arent one of the nips who was named with an ancient and obscure kanji that the government declared obsolete and to be removed, forcing you to go through the process of legally changing your name because it is now officially invalid lol.
+--- 57997495
+>>57997435
+>ancient and obscure kanji that the government declared obsolete and to be removed
+Is... Such a thing possible? The Japanese? Foregoing opportunities to fuck with filthy gaijin's puny pea brains by... *Removing* useless kanji??
+--- 57997523
+>>57997435
+I had no idea that was happening. My sides are in orbit.
+--- 57997617
+>>57997495
+>>57997523
+they have been doing it since the Meiji restoration, pre WW2.
+https://soranews24.com/2023/02/07/draft-bill-proposal-seeks-to-curtail-unconventional-kirakira-kanji-name-readings-in-japan/
+a lot of old timers get pissed off every time
+--- 57997627
+>>57997357
+Phonetic languages are superior because they are constrained by the human tongue, a thing which any moron can use. Pictographic and purely symbolic languages are shit for reasons which must be painfully obvious to you at this point of your journey into the glorious world of moonrunes. I refuse to learn any language that isn't phonetic, fuck culture and history this is a matter of fucking practicality. Symbology is for a calculus or geochemistry class.
+--- 57997649
+>>57997627
+the one "upside" is that you can make funny jokes and secondary messages encoded in alternate meanings for the kanji
+--- 57997662
+>>57997617
+Is this even a fucking language? It's as if we have entire words left over from Middle English, Saxxon, High French, and the Indo-Ayran root tongue which are no longer pronounceable just shoved in. I guess at least they are trying to curtail this shit, but I can't imagine the clusterfuck that must have existed in the 1890s.
+--- 57997666
+>>57996044
+>>57996528
+And yet people buy their products by the billions.
+--- 57997667
+>>57997649
+I always enjoy reading TL's of manga and doujinshi where the translator vents their frustration about the pain of trying to convey Japanese word puns into English lol
+--- 57997695
+>>57992195
+>Halo verse where humanity is controled by a totalitarian state that kills anyone who doesn't blindly follow the UN
+
+Seems right.
+--- 57997700
+>>57997667
+I greatly enjoy when they take a moment to explain that the joke exists instead of doing a clumsy translation alone
+
+>>57997662
+saxxon, french and older english was always odd because it mixed at least two languages together, but it was based off of a SINGLE writing system, Latin.
+Japan has had multiple alphabets for who knows how long and straight up made ANOTHER ONE just for foreign concepts.
+--- 57997703
+>>57997667
+An entire language with terminal "dad joke" syndrome.
+
+>>57997666
+And the bushings inside have Made in America on them again. I despise Jews and their "supply chain" bullshit.
+--- 57997704
+>>57995725
+Am I tripping or all of those rounds keyholing like a motherfucker? Literally at optometrist getting new glasses so maybe my genetically inferior eyes all BSing me
+--- 57997717
+>>57997704
+yes. we have had multiple arguments over it on the board.
+part of the issue I think was them using some odd training rounds that just don't work well with the guns... but also typical chinese QC as usual
+--- 57997736
+>>57997617
+>Even when bestowed without any feelings of malice, unusual names, especially in cases when the reading of the name kanji differs vastly from typical readings, can present a host of challenges to everyone from the child in question experiencing healthy social development to medical professionals when making records.
+Imagine having a name that uses kanji so obscure that even fellow japs have no fucking clue what your name is lmao.
+Say what you will about English, at the very least we can butcher a name with weird spelling instead of flat out being unable to even read it.
+--- 57999007
+>>57995784
+>I managed to make it to the part where the woman with a baby gets torched, but that was too much for me not to blow.
+--- 57999051
+>>57991086 (OP)
+Can pajeet shit in a toilet like everybody else? No
+--- 57999145
+>>57997704
+The chink cope is that these are "training rounds".
+Anons from other cou tries that also use training rounds report that theirs didn't have this problem.
+The fact is that what you are seeing is just Chinese ballistics in acrion.
+--- 57999159
+>>57996283
+Then why do they need balloons?
+--- 57999243
+>>57991972
+No, neither of the atomic bombs had parachutes.
+--- 57999347
+>>57991999
+The only creature in that gif I felt sorry for was the dog. The Japs deserved it, two nukes wasn't enough.
+--- 57999782
+>>57997700
+...A third?
+
+How does that work?
+--- 57999868
+>>57991999
+Total War can only be replied to with Total War, you are naive to think otherwise.
+--- 58000152
+>>57991086 (OP)
+Nukes aint real i would be more concerned about the space lasers if i was you
+--- 58000517
+>>57991086 (OP)
+lmao they got rekted
+--- 58000542
+they werent kidding when they said the future was so bright youd have to wear shades
+--- 58000639
+>>57994350
+>Japan hitting a military target that was threatening them vs. USA geocoding an entire race by flattening all cities and indiscriminately mass murdering as many civilians as you can.
+Ever heard of proportionality, the geneva convention, international law or basic morality?
+--- 58000654
+>>58000639
+>just do the land war thatll result in way more deaths on both sides lmao
+--- 58000657
+>>57991086 (OP)
+Yes, Israel will not even be touched
+--- 58000717
+>>57991086 (OP)
+needs to be set to 
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHMzCpy0fXc [Embed]
+--- 58000853
+>>57991086 (OP)
+>can?
+Yes.
+>will?
+Yes!
+>shall?
+YES!
+--- 58000861
+>>58000853
+This guy fucks
+--- 58000992
+>>58000861
+Sometimes I do, but not tonight; tonight it's Friday night, and I'm posting on 4chan, with (You) and (You) & (You)!
+--- 58001112
+>>57999782
+they have 12 systems in total anon. not 3.
+3 systems are just for kanji
+>Kanji, 
+symbols for entire words
+>Ryakuji, 
+simplified slang kanji,
+>Ateji, 
+some weird variant that is more about phonetics.
+
+then for actual alphabets you have
+>Hirigana,
+their current "normal" alphabet
+>Katakana,
+their "foreign concepts" alphabet
+>Man'yōgana, 
+their ancient stolen from chinese writing language,
+>Sōgana, 
+which came after their earliest writing and is like their equivalent of middle english.
+Then a bunch of weird sub alphabets for niche uses
+>Furigana,
+which is just subtext showing how to pronounce kanji
+>Okurigana,
+which are suffixes they just add to kanji to indicate you are supposed to read a specific meaning from it instead of wondering which half a dozen meanings to choose from
+>Gojūon
+which was some ancient monks creation to organize their alphabet better, and exists only as an organizational system.
+>kana ligatures
+which is... basically just cursive writing for katakana and hirigana
+
+And finally...
+>Hentaigana (yes that is a real thing)
+which is a language only used by their porn industry for the purpose of writing lewd stuff that kids can't figure out the real meaning of.
+--- 58001124
+>>57991086 (OP)
+Define win. I don't think anyone wins in a nuclear war.
+--- 58001186
+>>57991086 (OP)
+Where's the scene where OP dies a virgin and chad is fucking OP's sisters?
+--- 58001232
+>>58000639
+More like Flaminga Convection
+--- 58001267
+>>57995617
+This
+--- 58001456
+>>57991086 (OP)
+anime about the horrors of nuclear war. shows naked loli. why are japs like this?
+--- 58001789
+>>57991999
+Good for you trips, I then think about Unit 731, anime and Japs in general and thank the conflict we are about to be in and remind myself that China will finish what we didn’t.
+--- 58001810
+>>57992207
+And they will come with us. All willing, they will be wiped off the face of the earth.
+--- 58001842
+>>57995855
+Should have had McArthur execute the fuck and glass the island.
+--- 58001918
+>>58001112
+>>Hentaigana
+--- 58001998
+>>58001112
+>which is a language only used by their porn industry for the purpose of writing lewd stuff that kids can't figure out the real meaning of.
+I-is there where all the "x-pussy" terms originate from? Now it all makes sense. But wouldn't it all just be simpler to assign a sound to a symbol or symbol group and then just write them in order, I guess that's why 70% of the planets uses some derivative of that system. That and copious amounts of rape and murder. All those confusing archaic systems were extirpated by the simple application of a sharp bronze stick.
+--- 58002757
+>>58001998
+I could let you go out into the world with this knowledge... and eventually you MIGHT tell it to others.
+And certain revelations might be had.
+Is it moments like this that reveal who a person is?
+Anon, I was lying through my teeth on that last one.
+Hentai in literal translation means "weird," or "abnormal"
+Hentaigana is this weird leftover from the 1900's when japan had started trying to straighten out their language.
+The idea was you had an orthodox set of kanji to be used for every phonetic sound, with the rest being "abnormal," or hentai.
+
+I just didn't have it in me to let you loose upon the world with my bullshit in your brain and NOT say something.
+--- 58002848
+>>57995725
+>It could be that the reason Russia's military went to dog shit is that the money is mostly going to maintaining its nuclear capability.
+With how poorly they're doing against a proxy satellite of the first world, I doubt their nuclear program wasn't embezzled. 
+>>57995617
+i wish
+>>57997666
+>And yet people buy their products by the billions.
+Not by choice, most cheap manufacturing is done there because it's cheap. It's about the only utility China has. And being that they're thieving cunts in msot aspects, and covid crippled everyone because manufacturing is centered there, people have been moving operations to vietnam, mexico, and other south american areas. 
+Pretty soon, things will be made in Mexico.
+--- 58002895
+I dunno. I mean chink shills aside nobody buys Russian red dot optics unless you’re hardcore slavaboo but Holosun has good shit. Extrapolate that to other military items and I think China is the fabled near peer competitor that Russia so obviously isn’t

k/57991318.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,76 @@
+-----
+--- 57991318
+what the fuck am i looking at here?
+--- 57991396
+>>57991318 (OP)
+they use shotgun shell as a priming mechanism
+now go back making 627th russo-ukies war thread, faggot
+--- 57991415
+>>57991396
+You'd have thought they would have used engine starters instead.
+--- 57991420
+>>57991318 (OP)
+Ignition catridge, hello?
+
+>Yes, mortars were pipe shotguns all along
+--- 57991468
+>>57991318 (OP)
+Damn Bootleg Fireworks
+>LORD REEKUS!!
+--- 57991700
+>>57991415
+Those things are cheaper.
+--- 57991707
+>You really thought I left you?
+--- 57992521
+>>57991396
+>>57991420
+If that actually works then I'm genuinely curious to see it in action. I assume they're being dropped by drones, are there any videos of one of them being used?
+--- 57992551
+>>57991396
+>>57991318 (OP)
+Oh I noticed a small puff of smoke on the new drone footage and figured it was something like this. The originals would just drop the mortar and it would often spin and go off target. Now they add a small charge which puts more energy into it, making it more accurate. 
+
+I find this all fascinating since for whatever reason small scale anti-infantry UAV Quadcopters were something no military in the world thought about. The smallest UAVs were small plane shaped and designed for recon. They're cobbling together the next generation of military hardware filling a really interesting niche and it's all off the shelf material.
+--- 57993692
+>>57992521
+See those holes on the side of the shaft? That's where the hot gas from the internal charge comes out to fill the tube and propel the mortar forward. It's a high pressure-low pressure system and the mortar is normally dropped down the tube. A cartridge makes priming these easier than fiddling with tiny primers and measuring cups of powder.
+--- 57993760
+>>57992551
+webm?
+--- 57993811
+>>57992551
+That smoke probably comes from the soviet grenade fuses' replacing the original fuses. Normal mortar fuses wouldn't work if they're just dropped.
+--- 57996432
+>>57992521
+Every mortar system works like this. It isn't an isolated thing.
+
+Why would you assume mortars are being drone dropped and not used as mortars? The puff of smoke you saw wasn't this because being dropped wouldn't set it off.
+--- 57997774
+>>57991415
+>use engine starters instead
+Anon, you do know shotgun shells have been used as engine starters as well, right...?
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K1OPmYbaDg [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65qrzgbTTcQ [Embed]
+--- 57997901
+>>57991318 (OP)
+OP showing off his latest onlyfans teaser?
+--- 57999324
+>>57992551
+They've been thinking about it for a long time but normally it takes years to actually get something approved for field use. Ukraine didn't have years so they grabbed something off the shelf without going through the normal processes.
+--- 57999436
+>>57999324
+>>57992551
+>I find this all fascinating since for whatever reason small scale anti-infantry UAV Quadcopters were something no military in the world thought about.
+Not correct.
+— STM Boyga: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDLnwy2fhzU [Embed]
+— Asisguard Songar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-oG9qAAs9Y [Embed]
+The latter has also been sold to Nigeria and undisclosed Asian state.
+--- 58000649
+>>57998489
+someone doesn't like rumble getting linked.
+who could be behind this I wonder?
+--- 58001367
+>>57991318 (OP)
+
+New dilator just dropped. You're welcome.

k/57991322.txt

@@ -8,3 +8,281 @@
 >paki
 
 Ahhh, we should have never left Afgh, it would have served as an eternal training school of counter-insurgency against a people who truly relish the fight for it's own sake.
+--- 57991501
+>>57991466
+Pakistan is a made up country, not an ethnicity. your stereotypical Paki is a Punjabi,
+--- 57991505
+>>57991322 (OP)
+Gilgit scouts during the indo-pak war 1948
+--- 57991567
+>>57991322 (OP)
+During the early days when Pakistan can't into CT ops
+--- 57991660
+>>57991567
+Best way to beat hillmen:
+> pay them to fight your other foes.
+--- 57991716
+>>57991322 (OP)
+why is he white
+--- 57991747
+>>57991322 (OP)
+Why is he wearing make up?
+--- 57991785
+>>57991660
+When they learned, soldiers need good gear to fight
+--- 57992674
+>>57991716
+pashtun
+--- 57993132
+>>57991716
+pashtuns are whiter then most posters calling you brown
+--- 57993160
+>>57991322 (OP)
+Why is his face white but his hands purple ?
+--- 57993191
+>>57993160
+phones back then struggled in low light
+--- 57993418
+>>57992674
+Afghanistan was an aryan victory over brown Babylonian America.
+--- 57993849
+>>57993160
+The pic looks AI-generated, especially with those swirly patterns all around (which are different from any blur you can get optically).
+--- 57993984
+>>57993849
+>Al-generated
+Mutts can't accept the fact that others can be blue eyed, white people.
+The picture was retouched from B&W
+--- 57994086
+>>57993984
+>Mutts
+I'm not from the US, do not dare call me that again.
+>others can be blue eyed, white people
+Nah, that's not the issue I raised. Look at the rifle, it looks "wobbly". Look at the hill on the right, especially the vegetation on the top. Look at the right side of the hill in the distance. How would you ever get that type of blur with an film camera?
+--- 57994265
+>>57991466
+>That hat
+>paki
+Yes, you mongoliod.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakol
+--- 57994343
+winter war isn't really obscure but this picture has always shocked me with how clear it is
+--- 57994371
+>>57994086
+by setting the focus really close, like, say, if you were taking a portrait
+--- 57994618
+>>57994086
+Have you never seen the artifacting from a colorized photo before?
+--- 57996149
+Mongolian revolutionaries Togtoho and Ja Lama, 1910s
+--- 57996223
+>>57996149
+>Ja Lama
+Ja Rule's more based Mongolian cousin
+--- 57996243
+>>57994343
+Some of the old black and white cameras had insanely high resolution because they didn't need to capture anything from the color spectrum
+--- 57996302
+>>57996223
+His severed head is preserved in a museum in Saint Petersburg btw
+--- 57996759
+>>57996243
+I know but with the resolution being good they still look dated. That one looks particularly modern for some reason like it could've been taken yesterday and had a filter thrown over it.
+--- 57996815
+>>57993984
+>>57994371
+>>57994618
+do you retards really not see the floating bit near the muzzle and the other weird, obvious AI artifacts? the gun is a dead giveaway, this is clearly AI
+--- 57996897
+>>57996815
+It really does seem like /k/ is the lowest IQ board sometimes
+--- 57996941
+>>57993132
+>pashtuns
+>white
+Its like with mexicans, some are whiter than others.
+--- 57996973
+>>57993984
+You aren’t white, Achmed
+--- 57997010
+>>57991322 (OP)
+>those fingers
+Bad colorization or ai generated?
+--- 57997041
+>>57997010
+Probably a bad "AI" upscale/enhancement filter and colorizer. AI colorization tends to always use that blue-ish hue on clothes.
+--- 57997103
+>>57996973
+Kek
+What happened?
+Did you're mutt Brain have an aneurysm, from seeing "Sandniggers" having whiter genes than you?
+--- 57997127
+For you Low IQ troglodytes, here's the original image.
+--- 57997133
+American soldiers dug in along a paddy field during the Philippine-American War.
+--- 57997224
+>>57991322 (OP)
+Looks like some shitty AI upscale
+--- 57997237
+Irish National Army soldier looking through a loophole knocked in a wall during fighting in Dublin during the outbreak of the Irish Civil War.
+--- 57997262
+T-55 are good against insurgents
+--- 57997443
+>>57996815
+You can't be this dense.
+--- 57997492
+>>57997103
+Are you German perchance?
+--- 57997529
+>>57997133
+The Americans did some brutal shit during that war
+--- 57997542
+>>57993849
+It says “colorized” in the filename you dope
+--- 57997558
+>>57993849
+Its a bad colorization.
+--- 57997566
+>>57997492
+Yes I am a full blooded Aryan
+--- 57997574
+>>57996941
+Just like Americans then
+--- 57997584
+>>57997566
+Not that hard to find the cucks who defend people who murder and rape their own
+--- 57997621
+>>57997584
+So just like the Germans??
+--- 57997660
+>>57997621
+>most intelligent and reading comprehending German
+--- 57997823
+Soldiers of the rebel army during the Second Samoan Civil War. 
+
+>>57997529
+>that war
+You got a war where we didn't do brutal shit? I'm interested.
+--- 57997906
+>>57997823
+WWI, in large part due to us not fighting in it for very long
+--- 57998111
+>>57993849
+>>57994086
+>>57996815
+zoomers really can't tell the difference between AI "art" and ancient photos put through an AI colorizing program
+retards.
+--- 57998217
+Hungarian militia resisting the Austrian annexation of the Banat of Leitha. 
+
+>>57997906
+We got the Germans to lodge a complaint at the Hague, so we must have been doing something right.
+--- 57998422
+>>57997133
+Warfare seemed so weird back then, it was involved enough to not fight in big blocks but every picture and drawing I see has them dug in a line
+--- 57998448
+>>57993102
+this nigga chases you in temple run
+--- 57998481
+>>57998111
+>doesn't notice the obvious signs of AI like the nonsensical muzzle, warped vehicles, facial artifacts and wonky clothes textures
+>zoomers zoomers zoomers
+/k/ has become so shit i can't tell if this is b8 or not
+--- 57998516
+>>57998481
+The original scan of the photo has already been posted
+--- 57998536
+>>57996302
+Russians be like 
+>My ancestor
+--- 57998580
+Canadian militia stand over a fallen Fenian raider, 1866
+--- 57999076
+>>57998481
+hey retard.
+I know you haven't been around to see shitty colorized stuff because you were too busy with fortnite, but how can you be so fucking blind you can't notice when the original is posted?
+as >>57998516 said?
+right here 
+>>57997127
+>>57997127
+>>57997127
+this thing?
+--- 57999224
+The impact impression of Kapitanleutnant Heinrich Mathy's body after he jumped out of his burning Zeppelin L31, October 1916.
+--- 57999257
+>>57991466
+there is more pashtuns in pakistan than in afghanistan retard
+--- 57999266
+Japanese POWs being employed as armed guards against Indochinese guerillas,
+--- 57999406
+>>57999266
+Wait, why tf would you use POWs as armed guards? Were the Indochinese guerillas such a threat even your prisoners would be willing to fight them?
+--- 57999597
+>>57999406
+>Indochina
+>Viet Minh
+>later known as the Vietcong
+--- 57999642
+>>57999406
+Yes, they also used them against Indonesian nationalists.
+--- 58000180
+Could somebody do me a solid and post that "Fear your math teacher" image? Full if possible, but if all you have is the meme crop that'd be fine, too. I wanna look into it, maybe find out who the guy is
+--- 58000205
+>>58000180
+--- 58000337
+Not obscure, but a qt IRA waifu
+--- 58000386
+Ikhwan - Saudi traditionalist militia that rebelled against the Ibn Saud when he started collaborating with the west way back in the day. Small photo, unfortunately.
+--- 58000406
+>>58000386
+Ok, found a better photo of them
+--- 58000441
+>>57991322 (OP)
+A tastefully injured 1st Special Recon Trooper (China's first special forces) posing for the cameras. This was in the early 1980s right after the end of the Sino-Vietnamese Wars. Fighting continued all over the border up until 1988, which saw China field its first special forces units after their experiences in the war.
+
+They were also the first Chinese units to get issued camo.
+--- 58000494
+>>57996243
+lmao that ain't why. it's because they used 4x5" or 8x10" sheets of film... thus they weren't enlarging the captured image by 10x or so like 35mm and digital sensors.
+--- 58000665
+>>57996959
+Is that Hop?
+--- 58000672
+>>57996243
+lmao zoomer understanding of reality, that's not how film works retard.
+--- 58002282
+>>57997529
+--- 58002312
+>>57999266
+>>58000441
+Neat.
+
+Speaking of Indochina, have a teeny-tiny pic of Foreign Legion paras.
+--- 58002375
+>>57993102
+So this is what awaits all those leftie basedboys and feminazis if they ever manage to "win".
+
+It will be brutal man.
+--- 58002430
+>>58000337
+>N-no! waifus with guns can't be real!
+--- 58002497
+>>58002375
+Nice projection.
+--- 58002837
+Landing party of US Navy sailors fighting in the streets of Veracruz during the 1914 US occupation of the city.
+--- 58003140
+>>57994086
+mutt
+--- 58003145
+More Philippine-American War.
+--- 58003994
+>>57999359
+Man I'd love to put on a kilt. Makes it easier to scratch my balls and taint itch
+--- 58004095
+>>57998481
+Holy shit you actually have brain damage. How is your brain wired so terribly that you actually believe old photographs are AI generated.
+Newsflash old cameras weren't perfect, even modern ones can still have weird artifacts or other weird niggles.
+>>57994086
+>I'm not from the US
+Then why the fuck are you here? You either are going to speak on a topic you know nothing about (firearms) or are a complete faggot who is into swords or knives, if you're even allowed to own them in whatever shithole you live in.

k/57991621.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,78 @@
+-----
+--- 57991621
+Aside from weight is a there a reason not to have both a bayonet and a M203 grenade launcher on a M4?
+--- 57991632
+>>57991621 (OP)
+Makes the weapon more cumbersome overall. Bulk.
+--- 57991638
+Ugly and useless.
+Keep a knife by your side and learn to throw bombs
+--- 57991697
+>t. Grug
+--- 57991858
+>>57991621 (OP)
+To put a net in the 40mm launcher to catch Leon and make him fuck Claire.
+--- 57991895
+>>57991621 (OP)
+Weight is the reason, also there isn't space for the bayonet in the real world M203. Grenade launchers need to be accurate and the grenadier skilled so they can actually hit the enemy position with their grenade.
+--- 57991909
+>>57991638
+>pugnal fra i denti,. le bombe a mano!
+--- 57992385
+>>57991621 (OP)
+makes the weapon longer and harder to manouver
+--- 57993439
+>>57991858
+Kek
+--- 57993663
+>>57991621 (OP)
+Can it even attach both at the same time?
+--- 57993869
+>>57991621 (OP)
+Bayonets seem like a no brainer against zombies. I love that RE6 actually has a usable bayonet.
+--- 57994727
+>>57991621 (OP)
+I actually carried an M4 with a 203, and I don't think a bayonet would have fit while still allowing the grenade launcher to work.
+--- 57994908
+>>57991621 (OP)
+Bayonets haven’t been actually relevant in western combat since magazine size went higher than 5.
+--- 57994928
+>>57991621 (OP)
+why would that boulder puncher need a knife?
+--- 57995728
+>>57994908
+Brits did a bayonet charge in Iraq
+--- 57995745
+>>57995728
+And Afghan. More than once iirc.
+--- 57995748
+>>57991632
+Get /fit/ noodle arms
+--- 57996370
+>>57993663
+Yes
+--- 57998463
+>LEON, WE'RE GOING TO CLAIRE'S HOUSE RIGHT FUCKING NOW
+>DON'T YOU BE PULLING THAT GLOWNIGGER SHIT ON THOSE HANDCUFFS, THEY'RE STAYING ON UNTIL THE TEST COMES UP POSITIVE
+--- 58000553
+>>57991621 (OP)
+lol
+--- 58000571
+>>57991621 (OP)
+It doesn't make impregnating my sister any faster. Where is Ethan?
+--- 58002503
+>>57994908
+We've had this argument dozens of times. Soldiers need a knife for utility reasons anyway so there's no reason to not also have it attach to the end of the gun. Bayonets will be issued to the Martian Marines in 2283
+--- 58003503
+>>57991621 (OP)
+M203 is kinda meh.
+The M320 is far superior.
+--- 58003568
+>>58002503
+Devil's advocate, but just because they make the utility knife attach to the rifle anyway doesn't make it relevant in combat which is what he was talking about. I'm aware there was a couple of meme infantry charges by the brits in the sandbox, but their only relevant use as an actual bayonet in the modern era is crowd control since people who don't comprehend they should be scared of bullets do manage to realize the pointy thing can hurt them.
+--- 58004245
+>>58000571
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laGChAJmkR8 [Embed]
+
+ETHANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

k/57991951.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,407 @@
+-----
+--- 57991951
+What went so right?
+--- 57991969
+>>57991951 (OP)
+plot armor
+America is the main character of the world
+--- 57991970
+>>57991951 (OP)
+Well to start they didn't think they would be welcomed with open arms and actually prepared to meet resistance
+--- 57991987
+>>57991951 (OP)
+How long was iraq sanctioned for again?
+--- 57991997
+>>57991987
+So sanctions actually work? I was told otherwise.
+--- 57992001
+no one cared about human rights because it was a nato invasion
+--- 57992023
+US & UK teamed up is formidable. Iraq is not.
+--- 57992026
+>>57991951 (OP)
+>and on the seventh day he rested
+--- 57992038
+>>57991987
+Sanctions don't do anything, based royssian Asiatic horde told me so
+--- 57992049
+nothing went right
+--- 57992052
+all went wrong
+--- 57992098
+>>57991951 (OP)
+>What went so right?
+
+The Americans were fighting Sunni Iraqis who also could not defeat Iranians (even with American help), kurds, ISIS, or Shias. The Russians are fighting Ukraines. Is this complicated?
+--- 57992113
+>>57992049
+>>57992052
+>Dredging this material up
+What next, Tongo Tongo, AQ sniping montage?
+This is why we laugh at russian visceral fat being sprayed up asphalt
+--- 57992126
+>>57991951 (OP)
+Would Saddam Hussein's 1990 army be able to beat the 2020 Russian Army? I think they would stand a decent chance.
+--- 57992147
+I miss Saddam Hussein
+--- 57992149
+>>57992126
+They'd repel any invasion attempt that's for sure.
+--- 57992163
+>>57991951 (OP)
+Alright i will bite.
+Iraq was in peak economic and military form in the late 1970s,after that they went through a grueling brutal war with Iran for 8 years
+
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War
+
+Thena\ not even 2 years latter after that brutal grind the retard Saddam miscalculated an thought the west will just let him invade Kuwait without doing anything.
+Thend they got opartioned by Desert Shield and after that Desert Storm which pushed their shit in hard in1991
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War
+They are barely hitting the pre 1991 economic leverls today,the aftermath of the gulf war fucked their shit for more than 2 decades.
+https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/IRQ/iraq/gdp-gross-domestic-product
+
+So in conclusion by 2003 when the US invades Iraq is exausted both militarily,economically and politically since even absolut slave peopel like arabs had enough of Sadams fuck-ups by that point.The war was a genuine 6 day SMO.
+Of course then the US politicians fucked up,didnt cooperate properly with the locals in the oposition and an insurgency started and they are now in bed with Iran, gg.
+All in all everything post 1991 was useless shit to get more money into the DOD and has failed to achieve any political gains for the US in the region,if anything it hurt their interests.
+
+tldr OP is a giant b8ing faggot,these two wars are not really comparable.
+--- 57992183
+>>57992113
+the mujahadeen gave the weak soldiers of your country a trauma that they will never get rid of it
+--- 57992202
+>>57991951 (OP)
+Gee I wonder, maybe 10 years prior to that something happened that destroyed most of the military and also gave the invading force a lot of experience and knowledge of the area.
+But nothing like that ever happened.
+--- 57992203
+>>57992163
+>even absolut slave peopel like arabs had enough of Sadams fuck-ups by that point
+keep lying faggot, but the truth that you will never admit that iraqis were happy with saddam and shia faggots hated him becoz he destroyed them, thats the truth that you will never speak with you american dog.
+--- 57992219
+>>57992147
+
+Best expendable ME friend the US ever had.
+--- 57992232
+>>57992183
+>the mujahadeen
+are all dead lol
+--- 57992241
+>>57992232
+just like your soldiers in ukranie fag
+--- 57992248
+>>57992023
+the US is the group member that does all the work, the UK is just the guy who gets invited to fill space
+--- 57992280
+>>57992049
+>5k casualties for the combined coalition force for the entire war
+>hahah le west owned!!!!
+How fucked are the russians if 5k deaths is "bad" compared to their like 160k casualties of which around 60k is KIA with bakhmut probably causing 1k deaths atleast on its own
+--- 57992285
+>>57992232
+Well considering theat the soviet-afghan war started in 79 and most of the fighters would've been in their early 20s and we are now in 2023 and the life expectancy in Afghanistan is 62 years,that actually checks out.
+Most of them have probably died of old age and the ones who have not have lived to see their people btfo another great power.
+--- 57992308
+>>57991951 (OP)
+One was an unsupported Arab country against the most powerful military on earth. The US lost the proxy conflict to Iran in the end anyway.
+--- 57992313
+>>57992285
+afghans fucked over your country fag
+--- 57992322
+>>57992313
+American barely felt the consequences of afghanistan
+Cant say the same for the USSWAS
+--- 57992327
+>>57992202
+Well to be fair, Ukraine was literally russia for most of its history so I’d assume the russians would know the area a little bit
+--- 57992392
+>>57992049
+>>57992183
+>>57992241
+>>57992313
+>An actual seething shitskin
+--- 57992445
+People tend to forget, due to all the propaganda and media bullshit, that Russia is a POOR country. If they weren’t sitting on huge piles of Soviet surplus they’d never be able to conduct any kind of invasion like what we’re seeing.
+--- 57992480
+>>57992001
+Is NATO in Iraq now?
+--- 57992497
+>>57992480
+Yeah?
+--- 57992506
+>>57992280
+Shitskins and Russhits (niggers but wrong color) do this constantly. They have immeasurably high expectations for the West, but when they lose hundreds of thousands, it's simply expected. It's a combo of cuckoldry and inferiority complex.
+--- 57992510
+>>57992497
+Are they in the room with you now?
+--- 57992522
+>>57992510
+No?
+--- 57992610
+>>57991987
+was more than just sanctions but also no fly zone, Iraq was bled white before we went back to finish the job a decade later. Gulf war 1 was really more impressive and fucking terrified the Chinese and Soviets because Iraq operated on the same basic doctrine, and both China and the USSR had the same kind of potemkin army except it hadn't been hardened by recent war.
+--- 57992612
+>>57992126
+If the Pozziyans had to drag their asses all the way to Iraq to fight then Saddam would fucking crush them
+--- 57992616
+>>57992163
+You forgot that they defacto partitioned a third of Iraq in 91 and it became its own autonomous Kurdish state in all but name (which then fought a civil war). When the US invaded it had 80,000 Kurds helping the attack from the North.
+--- 57992651
+>>57992052
+>all went wr-ACK
+--- 57992667
+>>57992183
+>vatniks talking about afghanistan again
+--- 57992745
+>>57992202
+You mean like the invasion of Crimea, not even 10 years ago?
+--- 57992761
+>>57992667
+>15,000 killed (official figures)
+I wonder what the real number was
+--- 57992799
+>>57991951 (OP)
+>coalition of democratic nations with low corruption rates and high morale wins
+Yes 1+1=2
+--- 57993120
+>>57992745
+This is not even comparable, iraq lost a large chunk of it's military and a ton of equipment after the gulf war. After Crimea and Donbas Ukraine got a significantly stronger and better equipped military.
+>>57992327
+You overestimate how the Soviet Union was, Ukraine wasn't very close with moscow outside of Kiev and most people didn't move around (willingly) in the USSR.
+--- 57993995
+>>57992232
+Actual registered Mujahideen fighters raped literally everyone they fought, they smoked Russia, Iraq, The US, Al Queda, and the Taliban, they ended up dying off later on because they got too old to fight but they did a lot of fighting and they didn't lose too often even outside of Afghanistan.
+--- 57994072
+>>57991951 (OP)
+>1 billion zillion countries get together to invade one country that already got bled dry for 10 years before
+>totally incapable of putting up resistance and basically surrenders its way into occupation
+>2 impoverished eastern european nations with roughly equal combat power relative to frontage throw shit at each other
+>instant gridlock
+i think its very easy to see
+--- 57994690
+>>57994072
+>1 billion zillion countries get together to invade one country that already got bled dry for 10 years before
+>>totally incapable of putting up resistance and basically surrenders its way into occupation
+>2 impoverished eastern european nations with roughly equal combat power relative to frontage throw shit at each other
+>instant gridlock
+nice one retard
+--- 57995858
+>>57991951 (OP)
+Letting your troops know you are going to invade for starters.
+--- 57995882
+>>57992183
+Smoking opium, looking at splatted towel heads and burning shit in a barrel must be pretty traumatizing ngl
+--- 57996405
+>>57992241
+>your soldiers in ukraine
+I wish that was true. I wish russia (obr. 2023) taste the war with US for real, at least for a couple of days.
+--- 57996465
+>>57992248
+One regiment policed an area the size of England in Afghanistan
+We didn't even need Beto shultzheimerbergstein holding our hands or talking to us with a Spanish accent either 
+We did it all by ourselves
+--- 57997117
+>>57993995
+>Mujahideen
+died early on and splintered into multiple factions.
+--- 57997129
+>>57992202
+>10+ years isn't enough to rebuild the military
+cope shitskin
+--- 57997156
+>>57991951 (OP)
+>America calling Iraq war a victory
+>Iraq forming an military economic alliance with iran against the United States
+This bigger cope than saying america didn’t lose in Vietnam and Afghanistan /k/Ope redditors eats up.
+--- 57997203
+>>57996465
+>the single regiment Britain can afford to provide gets sent to the already stabilized sector so they can feel like they're contributing to something 
+You're a shitty little island country, you can't do anything by yourselves. That's not in the cards for you anymore.
+--- 57997211
+>>57992280
+Better to lose 100K and $100B and win than to lose 5k and $20T and lose
+--- 57997254
+>>57997211
+>
+Just don't be poor lol
+--- 57997333
+>>57997156
+>>Iraq forming an military economic alliance with iran against the United States
+in your dreams, faggot
+--- 57997344
+>>57997211
+>20T
+kek you retards and your imaginary numbers.
+--- 57997351
+>>57997156
+>Iraq war = Battle of Baghdad
+I know you are a retarded faggot, but try harder
+--- 57997391
+>>57997156
+USSR lost WW2 because it collapsed Germany unified and entered alliance against Russia.
+--- 57997416
+>>57997156
+>Iraq forming an military economic alliance with iran
+--- 57997429
+>>57991951 (OP)
+If you consider the Iraq War a victory than you are just as delusional as the vatniks, but at least we btfo'd the Iraqis in the actual war https://time.com/6265077/how-iran-won-the-iraq-war/
+https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2019/01/18/armys-long-awaited-iraq-war-study-finds-iran-was-the-only-winner-in-a-conflict-that-holds-many-lessons-for-future-wars/
+--- 57997437
+>>57997203
+You're so rattled by big anglo cock you can't even type English, this is projection 
+And Britain is a continent not an island
+--- 57997448
+>>57997429
+Let me ask you anon, what was the objective of the Iraq war?
+--- 57997501
+>>57997156
+>Sunni
+>Shia
+>doing anything unified
+At most it will be a neutral agreement. There's no way Iraq and Iran will be more than that. 
+Unless there was a Shia revolt and genocide that happened in the past 2-3 years that noone reported ofc. 
+I imagine its more of a unified anti-Israel/Saudi agreement and playing nice with Uncle Xi so they can revitalise their militaries. Iraq has no reason to not just buy whatever it can from China and Iran clearly produces arms based on Russian designs as they are supplying them with munitions. 
+US sanctions has literally forced them all into a corner and it's fairly lucky that India wasn't in the same state it was in the 80s because it'd very likely join them in that case.
+--- 57997833
+>>57992126
+> Soviet trained Army that actually has gear that functions
+vs
+> Russia today
+Honestly, I think Iraq 1990 would be able to at minimum fend off the invasion. The entire reason it was a cakewalk for the United States was because the US can conduct SEAD on ridiculous timetables, which the Russian Federation has proven it can not.
+--- 57997852
+>>57992202
+> NOOO it takes a hecking DECADE to replace meat in a military!
+> he says, while talking about a military where the meat was replaced
+--- 57998711
+>>57997117
+They were never one single group, they were always a bunch of different groups under one name, hence why they fought each other almost as much as the soviets.
+--- 57998755
+>>57992126
+Win? No. Be able to blunt the advance to the point Russia would seriously need to rethink their strategy? Yes.
+--- 57998770
+>>57992183
+>the mujahadeen gave the weak soldiers of your country a trauma that they will never get rid of it
+Yeah... but here's the thing. Soldiers go to the army expecting to be traumatised. Absolutely nobody can say they didn't go in open eyed. The vietnam movies and books and stories are all right there. Hell, I've heard Gulf War 1 veterans saying they were traumatised by walking along the Highway of Death looking at all the bodies of Iraqis they smoked.
+Real effect on the USA of all of this? Zip. Nada. Squelch. Some guys with a hardon for trauma porn got what they were looking for. The rest of the country goes on pretty much the same.
+Meanwhile your mujahideen are starving and crying to the USA for aid that's not coming.
+--- 57998776
+>>57991951 (OP)
+america with...
+>american exceptionalism
+>manifest destiny
+reminder that america was literally willed by God and is the promised land. One Nation Under God. It is Israel 2.0 the greatest nation on earth and all the so called "christian savior" larpers such as russia are nothing more than poor immitations, evidently destined to fail. the usa is the greatest nation to ever exist. thirdies and yuropoors cope seethe and dialate.
+--- 57998788
+>>57991951 (OP)
+shitskins cannot fight
+--- 57998810
+>>57992761
+other sources say 26,000, so it's probably about 25,500
+--- 57998841
+Invading Iraq and Afghanistan was stupid. Wasted over 20 god damn years larping in the desert killing camel herders in caves.
+
+Should have just made a hit list of potential targets responsible for 9/11 and send a bunch of assassins to the Middle East and call it a day.
+
+Imagine what the military could've been doing for 20 years instead.
+
+All of this, just to appease our circumcised overlords.
+--- 57998857
+>>57991951 (OP)
+America actually had logistics, and Iraq like most middle eastern countries have a shit show of a standing military and are only good when they become guerilla. Russia has no logistics and are fighting a much better fore
+--- 57998885
+>>57992651
+you know, i've never actually seen the footage of that.
+--- 57998900
+>>57991951 (OP)
+50k American deaths and losing over half of your Air Force and returning to status quo is winning. Amazing.
+--- 57998932
+>>57992761
+1.3 million Russian conscripts dead
+--- 57998933
+>>57992126
+Forgot how ugly was the chieftain.
+--- 57998943
+>>57998900
+>50k American deaths
+
+lol divide that by 5 to get a more accurate number
+--- 57999077
+>>57997448
+defense contracts and military experience + bringing iraq to stoneage shithole status to please israel so it was indeed a victory from that point of view
+--- 57999217
+>>57999077
+>it was indeed a victory
+So Iraq lost? And the US won? Okay, glad we cleared that up.
+--- 57999298
+>>57997156
+>decimating a shitskin's standing army is the same as civilizing said shitskin country
+>thinking alliances mean anything in the shithole that is the middle east
+more cope. shitskins are so awful at fighting they have to conflate clear military victories with the impossible. instead, they scatter like roaches, and resort to IED and using children as suicide bombers to have any sort of a chance.
+--- 57999362
+>>57998933
+>chieftain
+>ugly 
+
+It may be a piece of shit but it’s gorgeous.
+--- 57999370
+>>57992667
+>2 million civvies killed with 3 million wounded
+Jesus Christ.
+--- 57999401
+>>57999370
+The Soviets actually tried the genocide method at winning a guerilla war and they couldn't even do that
+--- 57999468
+>>57999370
+>you mean PFM-1 is only really good at maiming children
+>increase production, Boris
+Recent Friendly Fire:
+>In Russian-controlled Donetsk many PFM-1 were widely dispersed, and Russian and local sources accused the Ukrainian army of being responsible for their deployment.[23] There have been reported casualties, most prominently Semen Pegov, a Russian war blogger calling himself "War Gonzo".
+--- 57999496
+>>57997437
+>>57996465
+Don't mind him he's just our local board anti-bong retard anon. He's been more subtle recently with his shilling but he's still here.
+--- 58001889
+>>57997129
+>what are sanctions?
+--- 58001941
+>>57997852
+>what are sanctions?
+--- 58001976
+>>57997429
+>Iran won because the U.S. invaded Iraq a decade after Iran already capitulated
+--- 58002221
+>>57992126
+1990 Iraq would certainly have a more modern and better-maintained fleet of MBTs.
+--- 58002249
+>>57991951 (OP)
+>take out saddam and usher in pro iranian govmt after 20 years
+EPIC WIN!
+--- 58002257
+>>57992023
+Slightly off topic but if the US during Gulf War = Russia currently, what is the UK in this example? Belarus? Kazakhstan?
+--- 58002258
+>>57992651
+Didn't his head rip off?
+--- 58002318
+>>57992126
+Russia would get stomped. Iraqi AD networks were ridiculous and their military dwarfed the Russian invasion force.
+--- 58002350
+>>57993120
+Crimea is directly comparable. Russia literally annexed one of the most strategic parts of the country and fed a war on its eastern industrial heartland. Russia just sucks.
+--- 58003323
+Everything
+--- 58003338
+>>57991987
+But I thought you faggots told me sanctions don't work?
+--- 58003345
+>>57997211
+>20t
+Anon, russians are spending billions per day. Modern wars are expensive, especially at the invasion phase.
+--- 58003355
+>>57997203
+>Helmand
+>Stable
+Marine here, the bongs on the ground did an actual astounding job considering of how poorly they were supplied to deal with that deathtrap
+Helmand can go suck a dick, and so can you faggot
+--- 58003360
+>>57992203
+Nobody liked saddam aside from the ruling minority that ruled the country.
+--- 58003508
+Did the Iraqis even put on a fight in Baghdad? I don't remember much going on

k/57992378.txt

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+-----
+--- 57992378
+50000 years ago Grug would just snap the necks of his enemies after he beat them down because he was stronger. 
+
+Now you sit around in muddy water digging trenches for weeks until a suicide drone randomly manages to sneak a grenade through an unpatched hole and get your brains blown out.
+
+I dread to think what indignities the weapons of tomorrow will bring.
+--- 57992397
+>>57992378 (OP)
+sex robot drones tricking you with a bj and exploding seconds before you cum
+--- 57992400
+>>57992378 (OP)
+It can't get much worse really, the far future will just be energy beams vaporizing legions of robots or something, which seems like an improvement if anything. I guess the indignity will be that humans just become totally obsolete.
+--- 57992478
+>>57992400
+Humans practically are obsolete. We’ve already eliminated the need for the stronger and bigger sex to engage in warfare. Technicians don’t need to be big or strong or male. And drone pilots can hardly be considered soldiers at all. How much longer until the man and the woman are unnecessary for war altogether?
+--- 57992486
+>>57992378 (OP)
+>50000 years ago Grug would just snap the necks of his enemies
+source?
+--- 57992554
+>>57992378 (OP)
+"The warrior" as a concept has been completely and utterly btfo after the first world war. Tactics, strategy, and art of war wont die though, if anything it will get more complicated and deep because of EWAR autism.
+--- 57992734
+>>57992554
+What difference does it make if dignity is undermined? The tactician doesn’t even have to be present on the battlefield while soldiers who 1,000 years ago would be hailed as heroes today have their ugly death by drone broadcast to the world.
+--- 57992781
+>>57992397
+OK, so like not on the battlefield probably, but if you are a millienial you might hear about this happening before you die. Zoomers, this will probably be the number one cause of death.
+--- 57992854
+>>57992378 (OP)
+the truth is that war was never kino
+--- 57992860
+only a retard thinks that you fight in a war for some nebulous definition of honor
+you fight to win a war or not at all
+--- 57992941
+only way to not suck as much is to meld flesh and machine. Once the mind can blend with the digital, it becomes less shit.
+So many people harp about the end of humanity, when the true answer is humanity merges with the robots.
+--- 57992946
+>>57992940
+--- 57993175
+>>57992941
+I think technology has really been a disaster for human life and dignity and so any solution which prescribes a closer relationship between humanity and technology is probably not a solution.
+--- 57993196
+>>57992854
+Counterpoint: every war ever.
+--- 57993230
+>>57993175
+Technology is the physical manifestation of our minds. It is literally us augmenting our weak physical bodies with our potent brainpower. Except we are now shooting towards materialization of building our physical form towards the ideals our brains thought up.
+
+Technology and singularity is basically us, bending down and sucking our own dicks.
+--- 57993258
+>>57993175
+You're not a proper Homo Sapiens if you don't use technology. It's our defining evolutionary trait.
+Your trad fantasies would be retarded to anybody from the past that could enjoy modern standards of living. Specially farmers.
+--- 57993379
+>>57993230
+I don’t think that’s right. I agree that technology is about extension and amplification of human abilities, but it’s not the same as us. If you operate a tank, you are not the same as the tank. The tank is basically the environment turned into operable form. What you’re doing is wielding the power of nature the way a viking would wield an axe. But we’re approaching a point where we’re moving behind extension of the human and we’re providing human to the extension. We’re giving bodies and minds to things that don’t have bodies or minds. But there might be things that lurk in non-physical space which want bodies and minds but should never have them.
+--- 57993394
+>>57993258
+Homo Sapien never used technology. It is wrong to associate use of a tool with technology.
+--- 57993438
+>>57993394
+>Homo Sapien never used technology.
+Are you an aymaoo from the future?
+>It is wrong to associate use of a tool with technology.
+>fire, spears, or clothes are not technology
+You were homeschooled or something?
+--- 57993488
+>>57992378 (OP)
+So fucking tired of these childish takes from war tourists.
+Yes, war is hell. Always has been. It doesn't change much whether soldiers in their muddy trenches die to a drone grenade, shelling or nerve gas. If anything this part has been getting more humane.
+--- 57993507
+>>57993394
+>stone tools, fires, the first weapons were not technology
+literally kys uneducated retard
+--- 57993566
+>>57993488
+Never mind that war has ALWAYS leaned on ranged combat. Even in melee engagements most of the dead would die from head wounds because the back rows would chug rocks at your face.
+
+Entire history of war can be summarized as "I want to attack from further away".
+--- 57993642
+>>57993507
+They weren’t. A stone tool doesn’t harness power, it isn’t a system, it’s just a tool.
+--- 57993656
+>>57993438
+You might have been told that spears, hammers, axes were technology but they weren’t. Technology is the systematized refinement of techniques involving tools. A hammer is a tool. A jackhammer is a technology.
+--- 57993658
+>>57993642
+>Technology is the application of knowledge for achieving practical goals in a reproducible way. The word technology can also mean the products resulting from such efforts, including both tangible tools such as utensils or machines, and intangible ones such as software. Technology plays a critical role in science, engineering, and everyday life.
+It's literally in the fucking definition, including tools, idiot.
+--- 57993675
+>>57993658
+This is called an appeal to authority. It’s a fallacy.
+--- 57993695
+>>57993658
+We like to think that technology is an evolution of tool usage and thus must necessarily involve tools but in reality technology is a study and refinement of technique involving the use of tools that necessitates or matter of considering tools in a way that’s fundamentally at odds with the way one considers a tool in actuality. In a sense, technology is almost the opposite of a tool. It’s the gradual displacement of a tool.
+--- 57993792
+>>57993566
+And that is precisely why the ICBM became the ultimate weapon, and will remain as such for as long as we as a species are confined to a single planet.
+--- 57993804
+>>57992734
+>What difference does it make if dignity is undermined?
+
+None, the idea of romance is a autspergtard delusion.
+--- 57994015
+>>57992478
+men are still biologically better at science and video games, so we'll still need them to design and pilot the drones in the futurewars
+--- 57994035
+>>57992397
+It doesn't wait until a second after? That's against the Geneva convention
+--- 57994130
+The only real hope is that machines/drones become so good that humans become unnecessary and are almost removed from war entirely, this of course will be its own dystopian hell but at least large portions of populations wont have to die in mass for every conflict.
+--- 57994159
+Homicide is becoming increasingly less common. Many existent hunter gatherers have homicide rates such that 1 in 5 to even 1 in 3 males who make it to adulthood die due to homicide.
+
+Oxford, a university town filled with clergymen, had a homicide rate higher than the worst Latin American shit holes today at 110 per 100,000 people. https://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/23/us/historical-study-of-homicide-and-cities-surprises-the-experts.html#:~:text=A%20study%20of%20the%20university,per%20100%2C000%20people%20per%20year.
+
+England as a whole averaged a homicide rate higher than Baltimore's worse year for the entire 1500s.
+
+Humans in a state of nature appear to have had a homicide rate of a whopping 2,000 per 100,000, higher if infanticide is included. This is 40 times higher than high crime US cities or Latin American states today.
+
+https://www.nature.com/articles/nature19758
+
+Wars likewise have become less deadly. While WWI is seen as having crippled France for a generation, but it killed far fewer people than the Huguenot Wars, which occured when the population of France was far smaller. Scaled up to the WWI population, the wars would have killed 11-12 million.
+
+Likewise, if one scales the Thirty Years War's death till to the WWI and WWII populations of Germany respectively, it killed 2.5 times more people than both World Wars combined. The Thirty Years War also killed a larger share of all of Europe's population than the Second World War by a substantial margin.
+
+Both homicide and war deaths have been declining, albeit in a chaotic way. Good governance and peace appears to be a strange attractor for our chaotic systems.
+
+In essence, Hegel was right about everything and we should embrace his political philosophy. It's a nuanced, but brilliant look at politics and how to ground morality in the essence of the immanent world, not fascism as many claim or communism as Marxists like to claim (Marx himself thought he was negating Hegel not following him anyhow).
+--- 57994178
+>>57992378 (OP)
+Nobody would snap necks cause that's too hard. They would just smash your skull or cut your neck off or pierce your heart.
+--- 57994208
+>>57993507
+You are super gay if you don't think stone industry promoted a better way of life.
+--- 57994587
+>>57994035
+no, having your orgasm ruined means guaranteed PTSD if you survive
+--- 57994738
+>>57992378 (OP)
+What happened to Tucker? He was approaching ascendant meme god status and now he's gone. I can't imagine where he can go from here.
+--- 57994959
+>>57992940
+What would r/wojak they know about winning?
+--- 57995112
+>>57993675
+>appealing to a dictionary to define a word is a "logical fallacy"
+>me talking out of my ass with no source and asking you to believe it is perfectly reasonable though
+you're a fucking moron, holy shit
+--- 57995246
+>>57993695
+nice word soup, French “philosophy” should be right up your alley
+--- 57995325
+>>57992378 (OP)
+In the future we'll just simulate wars on a computer and send the losers to vaporization chambers based on the number of simulated casualties.
+--- 57995581
+>>57994251
+the science has been settled time and time again, masking didn't work. or at the very least didn't work in any substantial way to stop the spread. educate yourself, you've been bamboozled
+--- 57996341
+>>57992781
+millenials wont actually get to see this because theyll be killing themselves when they reach 35/40 because theyre childless and have no reason or desire to grow old
+--- 57996427
+>>57996341
+by that logic there should be no one left in east asia
+--- 57996458
+>>57996341
+Thats zoomers actually. Millennials still believe in the American Dream. Zoomers are gonna off themselves en masse after they realized how fucked up they became by listening to mongrels like Andrew Tate instead of their grandpa.
+--- 57998162
+>>57993394
+Redditor
+--- 57998175
+>>57993675
+Get laid, liberal
+--- 57998176
+>>57996341
+You need to go outside
+--- 57998238
+>>57992478
+> And drone pilots can hardly be considered soldiers at all
+You say it to their face, nigger. They risk their lives no less than regular infantry, because they can be easily radio located and deleted by arty. That’s on top of the value they bring to the battlefield no grunt can match
+--- 57998239
+A friend showed me the pic OP posted yesterday. Am I seeing things or is that a mashup of tucker and johnathan greenblatt?
+--- 57998255
+>>57992397
+>Be you in 2033
+>Try to steal an old, rickety 2022 Tesla
+>You accidentally set off the alarm
+>The McPolice have already been notified
+>They send out the camera drones and the McRape bots
+>You see the McRape bots come running around the corner of block in your rearview mirror
+>their cocks flapping as they run
+>One of the Drones EMPs the car killing it and causing the doors to lock
+>feeling of panic, and raw fear swells up in your chest right as the McRape bots make it the car
+>They surround it and one smashes the windshield and grabs you by the collar
+>You try to break free but it has a grip of iron
+>Two other McRape bots come over and help the first pin you to the ground ass up
+>The firs one rips of your clothing while the others restrain you
+> As you strain your neck trying to see what is going on you see their 9 inch silicon dicks beginning to grow and harden
+>The first one now mounting your naked ass, presses its rubber hardon into you
+>Another one uses its cock to gag you by gaping your throat with its 8 inch silicon girth
+>The camera drones begin recording and live streaming to all the smart billboads nearby
+>It begins thrusting using its McVax fluid mixed with blood for lube
+>After 30 minutes it finishes, filling you with its McFlurry goodness
+>the bots sprint away to the scene of another crime as quickly as they came
+>You lay there a traumatized, McBuckbroken shell of a man
+--- 57998324
+>>57998255
+Seek help
+--- 57998357
+>>57998324
+>Seek McHelp
+FTFY
+--- 57998369
+>>57998255
+is this a left wing meme? i got lost a couple miles in
+--- 57998457
+>>57993175
+>paraphrase just enough so it doesn’t seem like you’re plagiarizing the infinite wisdom of the exalted Uncle Ted.
+
+It’s ok, anon. Uncle Ted was right about everything
+
+To OP, war (actual violent war, not muh economic warfare) will tend towards greater range and more automation. Eventually you’ll fight a wars without stepping foot in enemy territory, just send drones, robots, etc. it’s a fundamental paradigm shift in that it removes the fear of death from war entirely. No inviolable self-preservation instincts for drones, and so on.
+--- 57998500
+>>57994035
+Geneva conventions v2, article 1:
+
+>It is an unconscionable crime against humanity to bring a man close to completion, but not allow him to cum. Cumming is a universal human right
+--- 57998528
+>>57994738
+>gets fired
+>posts one video to Twitter a couple days later
+>gets ~15x more views than FOX, hints at hosting debates/discussions.
+
+The best is yet to come, fren.
+--- 57998546
+>>57994738
+Podcast with Don Lemon.
+--- 57998773
+>>57994738
+>and now he's gone.
+hardly.
+--- 58000538
+>>57998528
+FUCKER KEKERSON IS BACK AND DUMBER THAN EVER!
+--- 58000955
+>>57998255
+Decided to try your hand at sci-fi, Tariq?
+--- 58000975
+>>57992378 (OP)
+Napoleonic wars was the pinnacle of the war meta, every role was skill based and you had a chance to prove your worth. Modern war is jist spread sheet simulator and finance and science nerds decide the outcome before the war even starts.
+--- 58002382
+>>58000538
+YWNBAW
+--- 58003826
+>>57992378 (OP)
+50000 years ago the most common cause of death was getting dehydrated from the shits.
+--- 58003941
+>>57993175
+>>57993379
+>>57993394
+>>57993642
+>>57993675
+>>57993695
+Holy shit will you fuckers just go live in the woods already? Why is it always luddites that come onto the fucking INTERNET to bitch about technology. Please god go get dysentery living your based trad life and calmly shit yourself to death in silence you Ted worshipping, semiconductor fearing, cave dwelling, parasite hoarding, smallpox enabling, diarrhea spraying, plague collecting, vomit spawning, always starving, papercut bait.
+--- 58003967
+>>58003941
+unfathomably based
+--- 58004062
+>>57992378 (OP)
+"You can still go grug on the TTC of GTA"
+>gov.ca
+--- 58004088
+>>57992378 (OP)
+>50000 years ago Grug would just snap the necks of his enemies after he beat them down because he was stronger.
+And then die a few days later because he got a splinter that got infected. Brain always wins. Only retarded troglodites think modern war is bad
+--- 58004091
+>>58002382
+--- 58004136
+>>58003941
+Based
+--- 58004176
+>>57992397
+doesn't even have to. good enough sex robots could enslave and condition the populace.

k/57992725.txt

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+-----
+--- 57992725
+amogus
+--- 57992931
+>>57992725 (OP)
+I love and hate this
+--- 57992937
+>>57992725 (OP)
+suscopter
+--- 57992951
+>>57992725 (OP)
+That's retarded and makes no sense since that helo isn't pretending to be something else
+--- 57992964
+>>57992725 (OP)
+This timeline is truly cursed
+--- 57992977
+>>57992725 (OP)
+kek like pottery
+--- 57993013
+>>57992725 (OP)
+Great, now I can't get that stupid tune out of my head.
+--- 57993072
+>Hello fellow children, enlist today!
+Now that's kinda sus
+--- 57993073
+when the rice farmer is sus
+--- 57993079
+>>57992951
+That's what you think
+--- 57993121
+>>57992725 (OP)
+some kind of impersonator in our midst
+--- 57993400
+>>57992725 (OP)
+daily remainder that a large portion of zoomers are now on their mid 20s
+--- 57993649
+>>57993400
+Rent free
+--- 57993707
+>>57992951
+Should’ve had imposter thrown into the ocean
+--- 57993718
+>>57992977
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkjtxb5VZUk [Embed]
+--- 57993798
+>>57993400
+I have a much more straightforward and foolproof method. Do they clearly remember 9/11? if so, Millenial. If not, Zoomer. No your grandpa who thinks its 1983 and doesnt remember anything since Reagan doesnt count.
+--- 57994081
+>>57993798
+I remember 9/11 and I was born in 2004
+--- 57994474
+>>57993798
+I remember the 9th of november like it was yesterday
+--- 57994659
+>>57992951
+I think you lack critical information
+--- 57994711
+>>57993400
+can confirm. Still waiting till I can own a handgun.
+t. 20 y/o zoomzoom
+--- 57994812
+>>57992951
+You think it's a helicopter?
+--- 57994851
+>>57993400
+>mid 20s
+Darkest period of my life. Good luck you little zoomies, keep your heads down, things get better at 30
+--- 57994883
+>>57993798
+It works for dating in the present moment, too. If she clearly remembers 9/11 she's too old to start a relationship with in 2023.
+--- 57996256
+Everyone has their fair share of retarded symbols.
+--- 57996418
+>>57993400
+>alpha
+More like beta
+--- 57997866
+>>57996418
+>More like BEYTAAAAH
+--- 57998230
+>>57993718
+This will be reality soon. Just wait a few more years for another Afghanistan to start
+--- 57998250
+>>57993718
+I hate this so much but I love it
+--- 57998292
+>>57994883
+Nah, you're doing it wrong. That's ideal for getting into a relationship with since she's aready too old to have kids.
+--- 57998385
+>>57993718
+They're already here
+--- 57998587
+>>57994851
+Ty anon
+--- 57998592
+>>57994883
+but dating young women is shit
+--- 57999156
+>>57996256
+I'll have you know gringo that insignia was drawn by 1940s cartoonists that had worked for Disney at the time. Do not compare to 21st century shitposting memes.
+--- 57999261
+>>57994851
+Thanks
+--- 57999384
+>>57999156
+Ours have many 1940's Disney stuff.
+--- 57999482
+fake
+--- 57999556
+>>57994851
+Surely you jest it can’t get worse can it? 
+T. 22 yr old zooma
+--- 57999573
+>>57993121
+He dead.
+--- 57999626
+>>57999556
+Sometimes things work out for people in their 20s, but nothing clicked for me until I was late 20s, and things have only picked up steam since. As long as you don't knock someone up, get addicted to something or go to prison- eventually it comes out in the wash.
+--- 57999804
+>>57993798
+I was born in 2001 and was taught about it for most of elementary. I remember having to make a lil project thing about it and it was when nobody did the safe google firewall thing where you'd see titties during class on accident. Anyways my 7 or 8yo mind saw the aftermath of one of the jumpers. It scares me but since I didn't know what it was I had a teacher come over and ask me what this is and she immediately shuffled me away from the computer for the rest of the day.
+--- 58000328
+>>57993121
+I fucking wish I saved the dead amogus zigger.
+--- 58000397
+>>57992951
+it's pretending to be an attack helicopter
+--- 58001095
+I remember when Ilhan Omar and "AOC" went on Twitch to play that game. I could not understand why they were going on Amazon's network to promote their company and this game. Then one day I played the game and there's a ton of tranny/groomer shit in it. Then it clicked as to why a Muslim and a Muppet were working to get it in front of little kids. 
+
+That's what's on OPs pic. Corporate groomer shit.
+--- 58001439
+>>57999804
+We were watching the news at school when we saw what looked like debris falling off the building. the cameraman zoomed in and I started realizing they were people, and my teacher walked over and turned off the TV.
+--- 58001510
+>>58001095
+>there's a ton of tranny and groomer shit in it
+proof?

k/57993720.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,154 @@
+-----
+--- 57993720
+>Commonwealth will take control of CEA Technologies saying the company’s phased array radar capabilities are a critical sovereign capability
+
+>CEA’s phase array radars, which are fitted to the Royal Australian Navy’s fleet of warships, are regarded the best in the world. The radars allow for 360 degree detecting and tracking missiles at much greater range and accuracy than traditional radars. The company is also providing radars to army and air force projects.
+
+>Under the agreement, the federal government will buy out American defence giant Northrop Grumman’s 49 per cent stake by July. Eighteen months later, CEA Technologies will become majority-owned by the Commonwealth and converted to a Government Business Enterprise (GBE) as other minority shareholders are bought out.
+This deal is a part of Australia's desire for "Sovereign Manufacturing". Up until now its been more talk than action, combine this with the investments in domestic missile manufacturing and we have big days ahead
+--- 57993731
+Here's a link:
+https://archive.is/gmAJa
+--- 57993772
+>2123
+>FDPA liberates Beijing from the Chicoms.
+--- 57993986
+>>57993720 (OP)
+Fucking based. We finally get a Labor government in and things start moving. They might spend money on something other than propping up the property market.
+--- 57994087
+>>57993720 (OP)
+>CEA’s phase array radars, which are fitted to the Royal Australian Navy’s fleet of warships, are regarded the best in the world.
+
+Okay mate.
+--- 57994827
+>>57993986
+The property market is pretty fucked, though.
+--- 57994874
+>>57993720 (OP)
+Daily Reminder that Howard privatised Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation, the shipyards, and Telecom
+--- 57994983
+>>57994874
+And that led to what? No aircraft, no ships and terrible internet.
+--- 57995005
+>>57994087
+excusing the hyperbole, the radars are pretty good
+--- 57997811
+Good to see some movement on assuring domestic manufacturing and knowledge stays around.
+--- 57998687
+>>57994827
+Exactly, that's what I meant. They did everything they could to keep it that way.
+--- 57998707
+Got to get ready to sink some chinks.
+--- 57998714
+>>57998707
+Well in this case I think they're more making sure they can have a large Aegis-equipped Hunter-class in the 2030s for ballistic missile defense.
+
+They COULD always buy American radars for the Hunter-class, but that's not nearly as fun as domestic production and development.
+--- 57998736
+>>57994874
+No single politician has done more to ruin this country than fucking Howard.
+
+>unfunded super tax concessions
+>privatisation
+etc.
+
+I think the future of Australian politics unironically looks like Labor vs Greens, based on how insistent the Liberals are to kill their own party by trying to copy wildly unpopular American-style culture wars and free markets.
+--- 57998785
+>>57998736
+If the Greens ever get into power being a straight white male will be punishable by death.
+--- 57999047
+>>57993986
+They're buying it so they can gut the information and give it to the Chinese you fucking commie poofta
+--- 57999104
+>>57998736
+Wasn’t Keating pretty bad? From what I can tell he basically just wants to make Australia China’s bitch. 
+I know nothings about aussie politics btw.
+--- 57999461
+>>57999104
+He's retarded now but back in the 90s his government passed superannuation and the modern industrial relations system. He's just an old school internationalist socialist who is too old to learn new things these days so is stuck in the China good USA bad loop from the lefty 1980s. He's a vague embarassment for Labor which is a shame because if he'd just shut the fuck up he'd be remembered as a pretty decent PM.
+--- 57999610
+>>57999104
+Keating as PM was your standard Neoliberal. Loved privitisation, free trade, de-regulation etc. The problem is his time after PM. He is so pro-china it is perplexing in the last few years he has criticised his own party for being "anti-china", criticised ASIO for their "china stance", called comments critcising China's military aggression as demented and ignored harrassment of Australian Naval Ships and Aircraft by China (dumping chaff, blinding lazers etc.) Paul Keating took money from the State Owned China Development bank for years and when questioned could only answer that it wasnt that much money and Henry Kissinger was there.
+IMO these last few years Keating is seeing his legacy dying faster than him. >APEC 
+Keating's creation, is dead and irrelevant
+>The Sea Air Gap 
+A now failed defense policy
+>Economics above Security
+Keating always placed trade and economics first, now both parties are placing Australia's security first as the world becomes more dangerous
+>AUKUS
+Objectively a good deal, one that if happend under Keating he'd wank off how much of a genius he is. However AUKUS can only exists because of the failure of regional blocks like APEC and ASEAN to support muh rules based order.
+>Privitisation
+nothing to relevant, I just think a lot Australians are over the constant desire for Privitising anything that moves
+--- 58000061
+>>57993720 (OP)
+CEA radars are excellent, but they are heavy. It was a minor problem for the Anzac Class frigates, as they only have smaller versions, but the Hunter Class frigates have them located higher up.
+
+The Hunter Class also has less weight allowance. I have zero doubt that CEA radars will be installed on the Hunters, just that it will make things more difficult.
+
+>>57993731
+Thanks for not being a newfag and including a link.
+--- 58000166
+>>57999610
+>I just think a lot Australians are over the constant desire for Privitising anything that moves
+Pretty much. Even Liberal and National supporters are over government privatisation of public assets and services. There is an undeniable and long list of privatisations that lead to increased cost, less competition, degraded services, stiffled innovation etc.
+
+Two phrases that the Australian public have finally realised were nothing but Liberal and National lies were:
+"The Liberals are good economic managers" and "privatisation will lead to cheaper bills/fares"
+
+With regards to Labor, I am happy to read on page 110 of the DSR "The Government agrees that Defence must have the requisite funding to deliver the agreed priorities and capabilities recommended in the Review. The Government will increase Defence funding over the next decade ABOVE ITS CURRENT TRAJECTORY to implement the Review."
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+>>57993720 (OP)
+This kinda came out of the blue. I did not expect this but I think it's a smart move. CEA radar tech is one of the best in the world.
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+>>57999104
+China's not as much of a problem as people think. All you need to do is put restrictions on them buying our land and businesses and you're set. China just wants to trade and shit.
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+>>57994874
+Yep, he truely is the villain Australia deserves. Can’t fucking believe we stayed in as long as he did.
+
+Don’t forget,
+He took our guns (look I admit I’m not that upset as I know enough dickheads to know we should not be given American levels of access to guns, we could not be trusted with that)
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+>>58000666
+Yeah it's kind of wild. I grew up being taught Howard good, he got rid of the guns. It's only now through current Liberal fuck ups that people are starting to look back and be like "no they've always been fuck ups". It's pretty amazing watching their party just collapse.
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+>>58000627
+>China just wants to trade and shit.
+>pillages Fiilippino waters regularly
+>has jets intrude into Malaysian airspace
+>attacks Indians soldiers at the border because why not
+>undermine the sovereignty of Federated States of Micronesia 
+>have ambassador question the legitmacy of former Soviet countries as nations on French TV.
+>sanctions South Korea for installing THAAD to protect against North Korea shenanigans
+>sanction Lithuania almost dragging EU into a larger trade spat
+>break trade treaty with Australia to hurt them, give them record trade surplus in the middle of your trade war
+fair
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+>>58000666
+>American levels of access to guns, we could not be trusted with that
+Ironically, Australia would be safer than America could ever hope to be, even if we had American levels of access to guns.
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+>>58000797
+Although I wish we had better access to personal firearms, I can absolutely believe there would be a lot more deaths in Australia if we had an American-style gun laws.
+Just look at the behaviour of methed-up bogans tooling around in their utes, it would make the US look downright civilised.
+Although I concede that we would have very cool shoot outs between cops and bikies and not lame school shootings like the yanks (I hope).
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+>>57993720 (OP)
+Govt purchasing a defence company to make it "sovereign capability"
+Navy radars - which we might use on the next halfdozen boats we buy from overeas shipyards, or maybe not, and not used on Nuke Subs, so those future ships arent the priority purchase anyway.
+Why not nationalise ADI Thales that makes all our rifle propellants, explosives, ammunition up to cannon ammo - and is owned by the French? 
+Something that we will actually use every day in WW3, not maybe buy a few more in peacetime then not build more ships that might need a new radar during the war?
+>it will be some (((financial ripoff scheme))) dressed up as a 'defence buy'
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+>>58002855
+>Navy radars - which we might use on the next halfdozen boats we buy from overeas shipyards
+These radars are used on Australian ships and will be used on the Hunter to built domestically.
+>Why not nationalise ADI Thales 
+If you think this a one time deal you are a dumbass, so calm down
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+>>58000772
+>attacks Indians soldiers at the border because why not
+I mean wouldn't you if you shared a border with India?
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+>>58000797
+I dunno man. I see people every day that I desperately hope never get to hold a gun. We have many specials.