Tue May 2 13:37:10 UTC 2023

sci/15272623.txt

@@ -564,3 +564,12 @@ Ok time for bed
 --- 15407975
 >>15406986
 >Candlekeep sounds
+--- 15408930
+Bump
+--- 15410292
+>>15407975
+The Moongroves have my attention again
+--- 15411458
+>>15407975
+>>15410292
+Ok Moongroves let’s see what adventures you have in store for me

sci/15346155.txt

@@ -480,3 +480,16 @@ Shut up you shill. Not buying your 200 dollar textbook
 kek
 --- 15408868
 bump
+--- 15410727
+>>15367450
+man, if I could find them that cheap
+--- 15411480
+>>15410727
+i am always lucky :)
+--- 15411486
+>>15346155 (OP)
+I have bookshelves everywhere
+--- 15411487
+>>15411480
+>>15410727
+yes...yes you are lol

sci/15347459.txt

@@ -585,3 +585,30 @@ That's how science is supposed to work dumbass
 --- 15408890
 >>15404519
 This is called that "Mott and Baily" argument strategy.
+--- 15409674
+>>15408890
+It's how they all argue. Very slimy and dishonest.
+--- 15409982
+>>15409674
+atheists are all hopelessly dishonest and academia & science is overwhelmingly dominated by atheists
+--- 15409983
+>>15409982
+you could just say jews. you're right and we know you're talking about the jews.
+--- 15410005
+So this thread is still up. Does any non-schizophrenic want to try answering my question?
+--- 15410010
+My question being this >>15347476
+--- 15410273
+>>15410005
+>>15410010
+there is a new plate of fresh, warm shit waiting for you to eat back in your padded room schizo
+--- 15410281
+Science must be gatekept. Think about how stupid the average person is, then 50% of the population is more stupid than that. Add into all of this bad faith actors, shills, politicians, schizos, etc. and science can get derailed pretty quickly. The average person is cattle who can't make up their mind, they must be gatekept.
+--- 15411288
+>>15409983
+pretty much, but theres tons of cryptos and shabbos goyims who willfully go along with the jew agenda
+--- 15411423
+>>15410281
+>The average person is cattle who can't make up their mind, they must be gatekept.
+They must be gatekept, because they have the mindset needed for science?
+Please explain. I hope you don't think that "we already know this" is an approach suited for real science.

sci/15349240.txt

@@ -370,3 +370,19 @@ ok then
 Who are you, nestle
 --- 15408680
 >>15407298
+--- 15409666
+>>15408680
+I'm glad people are still sharing this.
+--- 15409957
+something doesn't add up here
+--- 15411003
+>>15407016
+This thread will 404 and then they will immediately go back to peppering the board with climate doom rumors as if the information shared here never happened. They aren't honest people, if an honest person is disproved then they can take it into account and modify their beliefs, if the same thing happens to a dishonest person they just ignore and pretend it never happened, so thats what will happen here. the global warming crowd has ulterior motives for their lies and they aren't going to give up on their plans just because physics disagrees with them, they never have in the past and they aren't about to start now.
+--- 15411446
+>>15351834
+why did ppl 300000 years ago burn so many fossil fuels
+--- 15411461
+>>15409957
+Yeah, they're just communists trying to use any excuse they can to take away your rights and take away more of your income via state theft taxation.
+
+Green is the new red. They've been crying "the world will end in 5 years if you don't give up your rights and raise taxes" for the last few decades and we're all still here.

sci/15353120.txt

@@ -470,3 +470,9 @@ its just some homosexual prancing around pretending to be an athlete
 math is up there too
 --- 15408756
 >>15398447
+--- 15410030
+>>15355560
+>reeeeeee its overused
+>uses it in the next sentence
+--- 15411336
+Someone in another thread pointed out the connection between atheism and narcissism and it seems like its worth repeating here. Atheism is the belief that an intelligence superior to your own couldn't possibly exist.

sci/15354724.txt

@@ -379,3 +379,22 @@ People are realizing their vote has not counted for decades.
 --- 15408572
 >>15407531
 The more tech ZOG gets, they easier it is for them to steal elections.
+--- 15410228
+>>15386970
+>People like the idea that he's this stupid buffoon
+because it was fed to them by 9001 jewish television programs
+--- 15410807
+>>15408572
+>elections.
+"You must choose one of our pre-selected puppets!"
+
+The illusion of choice.
+--- 15411062
+>>15391423
+this. just the way JFK has impacted america since his passing, Trump will be immortalized in the generation that witnessed his presidency
+>muh mean tweets
+zero wars.
+>muh wall
+booming economy. 
+>muh putin
+Enjoy the Chinese millennium, retards.

sci/15357012.txt

@@ -245,3 +245,8 @@ good pic
 --- 15408520
 >>15405752
 Yeah, that stuff in the article about how they how no problems with singing the praise of yogurt because of it's exotic foreign origin, but couldn't stomach the idea of mentioning ice cream in the same context are pure mental illness. Image consciousness more important to them than honesty or science. Cancerous posers.
+--- 15410242
+gibes me dat ice cream
+--- 15411263
+>>15408520
+Thorstein Veblen explains the appeal of foreign novelties over domestic tradition amongst the leisure class in his theory of the leisure class

sci/15357632.txt

@@ -1192,3 +1192,33 @@ even they did you'd still be whining about they're hypocrites for using even tha
 I dunno, sounds pretty good to me. People would no longer have to live like rats worrying about how they're going to 1 up the previous generation, especially when we all know Gen Z is going to fail.
 --- 15407510
 >>15406854
+--- 15410303
+>>15359731
+Agriculture doesn't produce CO2, it absorbs it
+--- 15410322
+>>15357632 (OP)
+They do.
+--- 15410342
+>>15410303
+you think so? where does the carbon come from, and where does it end up?
+
+with a tree, it takes CO2 from the atmosphere and uses it to make sugars and cellulose and lignin. then the CO2 that was in the air is now trapped in the wood.
+you burn the tree, you return the CO2 to the atmosphere. or, the tree dies and rots and returns to the atmosphere. 
+or, you build a house out of it and the CO2 is trapped as long as the house stands. and when the house is burned down or landfilled or whatever, the CO2 returns to the atmosphere.
+
+when you grow corn or wheat or whatever, the same process occurs. CO2 from the atmosphere, builds the plant. you eat the plant, you digest it, the CO2 returns to the atmosphere. the chaff is burned, the CO2 returns to the atmosphere. 
+the transport and machinery all lead to a net CO2 production, because the plant is fundamentally CO2 neutral over time.
+
+the only way to sequester organic carbon is to bury it underground where it cannot decay, or sink it deep under the ocean. this is how fossil fuels are made. or in carbonate minerals, like limestone.
+--- 15410343
+pretty much:
+>autistic as shit
+>probably indian since he doesn't even qualify as ESL but more ETL or E4L 
+>gets banned daily 
+>thinks copy pasting the same shit is some epic troll, doesn't even get (you)'s since he gets filtered
+>sometimes breaks off from the threads to annoy other generals when he gets sick of being ignored
+>buys 4chan passes 
+>pretends to be multiple people but always gives himself away cuz he unironically pulls the "damn what a fine job these group of handsome trolls did this, i bet everyone thinks they are very epic fr fr"
+--- 15411291
+>>15410343
+what are you even talking about, skizo?

sci/15361269.txt

@@ -321,3 +321,8 @@ The jews sell the goyims' foreskins a big profit
 >>15407428
 Manipulating braindead goylems into being good people doesn't increase the amount of good people, since the first demon that comes by can convert them back to Evil as soon as they shit in their soul.
 The light of apocalypses should be used to genocide the goylems and the demons.
+--- 15410051
+>>15408606
+Fine by me
+--- 15411039
+>>15372425

sci/15364585.txt

@@ -650,3 +650,21 @@ Oh noes! The sea level is dropping! It is a catastrophe! We must give more taxes
 >>15364585 (OP)
 >We hear how the polar ice caps and glaciers are melting at record pace.
 They aren't, what you've heard is all lies.
+--- 15409659
+>>15408593
+Interesting... How are they able to lie so boldly about something like that?
+--- 15410385
+>>15404694
+>>15405309
+But why use obviously retarded arguments like that Fort Denison pic?
+--- 15410388
+>>15410385
+It easily stumps and angers climate apocalypse cultists because they have no knowledge of the relevant facts.
+--- 15411273
+>>15409659
+The people they're lying to are the ones who pay their bills, but they people they lying for are the ones who sign the checks and thats all that matters to them
+--- 15411515
+>>15409659
+>Interesting... How are they able to lie so boldly about something like that?
+They are just quite when the media and their masters lie. The science wageslave mantra "We never told that" is correct because they never tell anything. 
+On the other hand "They who consume she bullshit of media and -experts- had lost control of their live"

sci/15369462.txt

@@ -390,3 +390,118 @@ Explain the axis of evil?
 --- 15408679
 >>15408551
 So you have to base your beliefs on someone else's opinion? You aren't capable of thinking for yourself?
+--- 15410038
+>>15386704
+Every major media outlet is jewish owned. 
+All of these outlets are also constantly shilling "diversity"
+--- 15410261
+>>15399947
+He also fucked more child slaves than all 4chan users combined.
+--- 15411134
+>>15408679
+Its all based on observed evidence
+--- 15411137
+>>15408551
+>>15411134
+Do you also believe the earth is flat?
+--- 15411195
+>>15370901
+>first video
+>one giant appeal to credentialism
+>YOU ARE JUST A BIASED CONTRARIAN JUST LISTEN TO US EXPERTS
+Uh.. ok.
+--- 15411204
+>>15370901
+>second video, only 5 minutes in
+>actually quotes articles, without any huffing and puffing and moronic bloviation
+Uhhhhhh.... bro.......
+--- 15411208
+>>15370901
+>>15411195
+>>15411204
+The biggest irony of this exchange that you linked is that the Robertaile or whatever guy actually has the credentials, while the Dave idiot seems to be a total funkie. So, uhhhhhhhh.... bruh moment?
+--- 15411218
+>>15370901
+>15 minutes into the 2nd video
+>the "crank" quotes textbooks and shit
+>the "deboonker" just keep bloviating with "trust me bro I'm an expert" while giving no citation to any of his claims, or being any sort sort of uber-expert on the subject
+I think I can now close the video.
+
+Robitaille may well be a fraud, but whatever you and this insufferably obnoxious Professor Dave are selling: I am not buying. Not even if you pay me to buy it. Sorry.
+--- 15411219
+>>15411195
+>>15411204
+>>15411208
+Ignoring the substantial arguments and focusing only on the authority aspect is a stawman. If you can't actually respond to the arguments don't try to bullshit your way through.
+--- 15411222
+>>15411218
+I should probably note that the videos linked ITT are the only material from Robitaille that I have ever watched. So if your goal was to deboonk him you messed up bad. (Not going to continue watching tho. I'll just stick to my area of study.)
+
+/2 cents of a lurker
+--- 15411224
+>>15411219
+Huh??? Not my problem. I didn't even watch any of the two videos to the end, and refuse to do so.
+--- 15411232
+>>15411224
+>>15411219
+I should also note that I have no idea what the SZ problem thing is that you were talking about with that other anon. I am merely procrastinating and was curious to see what the exchange was like. 
+
+The crank won big. Professor Dave is probably a net negative for anything he touches. I know this is a bold claim, given that I've literally only seen 15 minutes of a 40+ minutes video of his, but he is insufferable. Reminds me of idiots on bygone forums who would quote mine and quibble over minor shit (which it just so happens that were even often wrong about) in other posts by splitting them up into tiny chunks. Immensely off-putting and uninformative.
+--- 15411233
+>>15411232
+You also see the exact same behaviour here at times. Autism gone wrong.
+--- 15411250
+>>15411224
+>>15411232
+>I have no idea what the SZ problem thing is
+Clearly. And yet you feel informed enough to assert Dave is wrong. But you admit you don't even understand the question. Get a grip.
+--- 15411255
+>>15411137
+lmao i bet you believe in the holocoaster
+--- 15411307
+>>15411250
+> And yet you feel informed enough to assert Dave is wrong.
+Are you dyslexic, by any chance? I said no such thing. Here, pick my posts apart and point out where I stated he's wrong:
+
+>>15411195
+>>15411204
+>>15411208
+>>15411218
+>>15411222
+>>15411224
+>>15411232
+>>15411233
+There, these are all the posts I made ITT. Have a go at it.
+--- 15411314
+>>15411307
+To spoonfeed you: I merely pointed out that Professor Dave is not just unpersuasive, but grossly off-putting. And that, although Robitaille may well be a complete loon, he actually comes across as the more reasonable one in the exchange, If this was supposed to instruct me and encourage me to get closer to the truth, then it was a massive backfire. Not sure what kind of mental defect one must have to freely subject himself to the intellectual abuse of this Professor Dave fellow, but my intuition tells me that one must in fact have a defective intellect to do so.
+
+Who among the two is right, I have no bloody clue.
+--- 15411366
+>>15411218
+the "deboonker" just keep bloviating with "trust me bro I'm an expert" while giving no citation to any of his claims, or being any sort sort of uber-expert on the subject
+Lel.
+>Whine about appeals to authority
+>He's not an expert
+
+>>giving no citation to any of his claims,
+Lie. From the description:
+Research relevant to this video:
+Using the Sunyaev-Zel'dovich effect to discover galaxy clusters: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1134/S1063773719020063
+More SZE stuff: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.4219.pdf
+Planck results on Sachs-Wolfe effect: https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pdf...
+Use of CMB polarization to detect gravitational lensing from galaxy clusters: https://news.fnal.gov/2020/01/data-from-antipodal-places-first-use-of-cmb-polarization-to-detect-gravitational-lensing-from-galaxy-clusters/
+CMB lensing: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/2041-8205/753/1/L9/pdf
+Planck results on gravitational lensing-infrared background correlation: https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pdf/2014/11/aa21540-13.pdf
+More CMB lensing stuff: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/2041-8205/753/1/L9/pdf
+CMB is not redshifted starlight: https://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/stars_vs_cmb.html
+An easy read on the CMB: https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/this-is-how-we-know-the-cosmic-microwave-background-comes-from-the-big-bang-90c85af092e
+Study on liquid metallic hydrogen: https://arxiv.org/abs/1610.01634
+The black hole image paper: https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1906/1906.11238.pdf
+Derek explains the black hole image: • How to Understand... 
+More black hole stuff: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0004-637X/729/2/119
+--- 15411397
+>>15411314
+>>15411307
+>Who among the two is right, I have no bloody clue
+And yet you felt compelled to make half a dozen posts, which say literally nothing of substance. Complain about Dave's "moronic bloviating" while going on a pointless multi-post rant yourself. Whining that he crticises Robitaille credentials, and then making the same appeal yourself one post later. You say Dave is awful and off-putting and all you've done is copy him. The difference is at the end of all the bullshit he had something substantial to say, you don't.

sci/15369501.txt

@@ -257,3 +257,32 @@ because global warming is fake
 --- 15408566
 >fake thermometers
 what a clown show
+--- 15409655
+>>15408566
+Makes you wonder how many places use these same thermometers. Most of the ones in the US abandoned mercury entirely so we'll never know what the real measurements were.
+--- 15409675
+>>15406715
+Ya.. makes you wonder if the same corporations who benefit from ignoring environmental degradation and climate change are actually pushing the trans agenda to discredit all science that threatens their profits.
+The covid hysteria was just lemmings panicking and running off a cliff.
+--- 15409733
+>>15405596
+not him but that's the catch. half the time it feels like they did something completely different from what they wrote to save time or were doing writing and manufacturing in parallel, the other half it feels like they just starting making things up.
+--- 15409736
+>>15409733
+It's not like they'll ever get in trouble for making it up.
+--- 15409750
+>>15369826
+Yes, but how many other measurements are similarly tainted?
+This is just the tip of the iceberg.
+--- 15409755
+>>15409750
+Every measurement made with a thermistor from this brand, at a minimum. Most likely all thermistor measurements.
+--- 15409769
+>>15409755
+This is why I am always telling everyone on this board to START WITH FIRST PRINCIPLES. Never take anything for granted as a given, they lie about EVERYTHING
+--- 15410101
+>>15409769
+Since nobody teaches epistemology in STEM, it's pretty hard to convince any of the STEMdrones posting here to break out of their preprogrammed modes of thought.
+--- 15410604
+>>15409769
+governments lie about everything, literally

sci/15370375.txt

@@ -627,3 +627,19 @@ how do you people get out of bed in the morning?
 >egg yolks contain 5 times more biotin than egg whites
 >how do you people get out of bed in the morning?
 kys soiboy
+--- 15410192
+>>15407403
+>don't eat eggs goy, eat this toxic estrogen filled legume instead
+--- 15410199
+>>15403287
+you know how in those movies the alien infects the chest and tries to get out? it's kinda like that, you see, the jews (also called "reptillians") actually coinhabit a human shell with the small chest-bursting creature. the reptillian does the tribalism, the thinking, and soi production, whereas the chestburster allows for the reptillian to switch to a new shell when the current one is spent.
+--- 15410218
+>>15370375 (OP)
+(((GREGER)))
+--- 15411256
+>>15410199
+Can you please stop with such demonstrably false slander.
+We chesbursters are NOT associated with jews, and only tend to have jewish hosts because satanic rituals are the best opportunities to get a host.
+--- 15411296
+>>15411256
+fair enough fair enough

sci/15370453.txt

@@ -259,3 +259,9 @@ fbi described it as a forgery not a hoax
 --- 15408545
 >>15370453 (OP)
 Earth is flat with a dome. Onestone was a globohomo puppet and relativity is a complete meme.
+--- 15410066
+>>15408542
+So they're saying its legit, but that just wasn't the original document, good to know.
+--- 15411267
+>>15408542
+The Protocols are 100% authentic without a doubt, one only needs to follow the news a little or learn 20th century history to authenticate them, reality validates what is written in the protocols 1488%

sci/15370730.txt

@@ -827,3 +827,12 @@ it varies state by state and that chart doesn't account for gibes like free tuit
 --- 15408694
 >>15400493
 Roll
+--- 15410031
+>>15370730 (OP)
+whorishness is shilled by hollywood and every other major institution.
+--- 15411033
+>>15408041
+Did you ask your mother how you got it?
+--- 15411165
+>>15370730 (OP)
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV6J8Wr5qug [Embed]

sci/15371874.txt

@@ -234,3 +234,9 @@ cringe
 --- 15408557
 >>15407321
 The premise of their article is that Reddit is some sort of open to the public free-for-all, rather than a tightly controlled and moderated propaganda outlet.
+--- 15410597
+>>15371874 (OP)
+reminder: a 60 kg tiger in a zoo will get 3 kg meat daily, needs no dentist
+--- 15411284
+>>15391422
+Yeah thats absurd, they have fake hot dog too, its just tofu in a tube shape with flavorings. They should be happier eating plain tofu instead of something that resembles an animal product, if they want to avoid animal products.

sci/15377486.txt

@@ -291,3 +291,9 @@ silly anon you have mistakenly come too the conclusion that radfems and trannies
 --- 15408599
 >>15405518
 They do
+--- 15410233
+>>15399376
+--- 15411259
+>>15398985
+>The correlation between biological sex and gender identity is ~99%
+100%

sci/15378431.txt

@@ -390,3 +390,19 @@ But even for how smart we humans are, we can't colonize planets and we've been a
 --- 15408490
 >>15407823
 We are not the first civilization on this planet. The Silurians colonized space millions of years ago and then left the planet.
+--- 15410321
+>>15405479
+does it make any difference?
+--- 15410865
+>>15378431 (OP)
+Erasing your memory most likely as well as camouflaged.
+
+At the least they are a couple of hundreds of thousands of years advanced in technology.
+--- 15410879
+>>15391516
+I tend to agree. Maybe the technological aspect has a lot more hurdles than we give it credit for. If light speed is a hard limit (unlike most sci fi) that could be a big part of the equation. Also actual AI could be a big hurdle. And we make assumptions about how technology evolves that lend themselves toward space exploration. What if advanced beings are exploring other facets of existence rather than trying to colonize other planets.
+--- 15410978
+>>15378431 (OP)
+an alien named myziam came to /x/ and talked to people. they took pictures of earth and the moon from orbit. people gave them coordinates and it hovered over their house and posted pictures. Either an alien or someone in control of a satellite was having fun.
+--- 15410981
+don't post in this stupid, automatically generated spam thread until it hits page 10, show some willpower, we're trying to keep it alive as long as possible, not have a low iq discussion about "are hollywood plot devices real?"

sci/15379089.txt

@@ -493,3 +493,30 @@ Space departments no longer have unlimited money
 --- 15408528
 >>15400360
 Soviets, like americans,just copied the germans. And without the massive american capitalist economy, the apollo program wouldn't exist with zero funding.
+--- 15410088
+>>15379089 (OP)
+living in space is just a lame hollywood sci-fi meme thats been done to death, its not something thats worth doing in irl life
+--- 15411110
+>>15410088
+If Hollywood never stopped making westerns in order to start making gay sci-fi instead, they this board would be all about horses and six shooters
+--- 15411117
+holy shit all of you are retarded.
+>hurrr blueprints lost
+thats not the argument NASA makes anymore (because nobody bought their bs) the argument is the parts arent being made anymore; which can quickly be solved.
+
+so whats the answer? aliens.
+
+thats literally the only fucking reason. and why i dont see 1500 threads up right now studying the metallic ufo here is beyond me: https://nypost.com/2023/04/21/pentagon-releases-video-of-ufo-flying-over-active-combat-zone-in-middle-east/
+
+we've been asking since ww2. it's obvious these are drones; but they are such mind breakingly amazing that i know for a fact (and every single one of you reading) that it's not ours.
+
+>muh /x/
+Your mom.
+--- 15411473
+>>15405497
+I love how there's a big black space in the middle of that Twitter meme where Rothschild "said" he had $500 trillion and it was shopped out because the retard who created it didn't know that's 2x global GDP and impossible...
+
+>>15411117
+>thats not the argument NASA makes anymore
+
+NASA doesn't "argue" this retarded point at all, tinfoil head. The SLS is more powerful than the Saturn V. Case closed.

sci/15379528.txt

@@ -1384,3 +1384,55 @@ I have never tried to use LaTeX without a template. I am just going to fix the r
 --- 15408880
 >>15408847
 I am assuming you are talking about margin notes. You don't need any special template for that. Latex already has it, like I have done here. If you can upload just the naked manuscript without any superfluous packages on github, I can see if I could help you later. I am very busy right now.
+--- 15409197
+>>15408880
+I never understood using margins like that, if you're going to write so much text, just add another paragraph in the body. If not, just add it as a footnote. Now it's like there are two pages next to each other and you have to switch between them when the author feels like it.
+--- 15409227
+>>15409197
+I mostly did it for experimentation, but I suppose it has mainly to do with textwidth. If you are using a small font, you can only cram in so much characters in a line. Beyond a certain limit, it just become hard to read. The max characters per line is ideally considered to be no greater 80 characters. So if the page you are using is large (like A4), you will have extremely wide margins, which will be left unused. So it is better to be used some way or the other. Hence, it makes sense to move the footnotes there.
+
+Personally, I use the margins a different way. I overflow large headings outside the margin. This is because they use a larger font, so the size of the paper relative to them is smaller, so it makes sense to have narrower margins for them. Secondly, I also indent theorem environments outside the margin, this makes them easier to track when glancing through the page. Picrel. I also overflow tables and figures outside the margin, since the whole character per line is not really relevant then.
+--- 15409341
+>>15379528 (OP)
+What are the AI chat engines that you use and like that don't require a login? Here are my three "go-to" chat sites:
+
+https://deepai.org/chat
+https://beta.character.ai
+https://www.perplexity.ai
+
+Are there any others you can recommend that don't require a login?
+--- 15409359
+>>15409227
+This looks great
+--- 15409638
+Why is top left equal to top right?
+Bottom is my attempt but I don't get where the minus come from.
+--- 15409696
+>>15409638
+Top looks like the chain rule [math]\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{dy}{du} \frac{du}{dx}[/math]. What context is this question though? The negative sign will come from some other relationship.
+--- 15409706
+>>15409696
+Thermodynamics. I had to prove that [math]c_p-c_v=\frac{TV\alpha^2}{k_T}[/math]. I eventually got to the point where to be truth the relation that I mentioned must be truth. I also thought it was chain rule, but I don't get where the minus come from.
+--- 15409735
+>>15409706
+Ahh. Use Maxwell's relationships.
+[math]
+\dfrac{\partial P}{\partial T}\bigg|_{V} = \dfrac{\partial S}{\partial V}\bigg|_{T} 
+= \dfrac{\partial S}{\partial P}\bigg|_{T} \dfrac{\partial P}{\partial V}\bigg|_{T}
+= -\dfrac{\partial V}{\partial T}\bigg|_{P} \dfrac{\partial P}{\partial V}\bigg|_{T}
+[/math]
+--- 15409808
+>>15409735
+aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa tytytyty
+--- 15410337
+Anyone know if this converges?
+[math]\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\frac{cos(kna)}{2^n}[/math]
+--- 15410383
+>>15410337
+assuming your coefficients are real, observe that every term in the sequence is going to be bounded between 1/2^n and -1/2^n
+--- 15410566
+>>15410383
+Yeah, just ended up throwing it at wolfram and it converges.
+--- 15411510
+>>15410337
+Yes, by comparison test.

sci/15381592.txt

@@ -523,3 +523,27 @@ https://www.bitchute.com/video/zFApOYBteK1a/
 --- 15408797
 >>15382167
 He said the line!
+--- 15409328
+>>15382142
+>it will be hard to miss
+when people like you get their way and ban air conditioning.
+--- 15409335
+>>15384016
+>How many barrels/day does this process produce?
+whatever we require, abiotic oil is one of those hypothesis that are purpose-built to allow people to ignore problems.
+--- 15409343
+>>15392560
+denuclearization and oil scarcity both make oil more valuable, strangling energy markets like this will destroy our society but for a short while our hallowed job creators will make a few more bucks from higher oil prices.
+--- 15409501
+>>15407838
+>implying he needs to you to tell him what is and isn't right
+--- 15410461
+>>15381592 (OP)
+Since its now consensus opinion that global warming is fake, why are scientists still trying to make a big deal about it? Why don't they respect the consensus?
+Science is a danger to our democracy
+--- 15410483
+>>15381610
+Unironically this. Teachers already had enough trouble teaching basic literacy & arithmetic to Youths without all of their attention being taken away by Instagram and Tiktok
+--- 15411247
+>>15409343
+Theres no oil shortage except what is artificially induced

sci/15385043.txt

@@ -279,3 +279,13 @@ Yeah, elegance is actually a thing math nerds look for when they are working in
 --- 15408914
 >>15396613
 more authoritive points to you
+--- 15409152
+>>15408758
+>bull is Chad even though the entire analogy is about the white mans idiocy and shortsightedness
+lmfao
+--- 15410329
+>>15408506
+Its a noted thing that they're all faggots too.
+--- 15411121
+>>15410329
+lets hope all the mathtrannys decide to subtract themselves sooner rather than later

sci/15386219.txt

@@ -443,3 +443,165 @@ Climatefags don't study physics, their beliefs are reliant on ignorance. If they
 --- 15408656
 >>15404593
 kys if you don't like it. why be miserable and dissatisfied for a whole long lifetime? just end your suffering now, you'll be better off that way
+--- 15409662
+>>15407902
+Maybe they should study agriculture and learn that a greenhouse requires a solid barrier.
+--- 15409997
+>>15387388
+>>15387417
+Be honest, were you hit on the head regularly while you were a child?
+--- 15410044
+>>15409997
+The absolute state of climate soience.
+--- 15410050
+>>15410044
+So why are your posts full of blatant fallacies?
+--- 15410056
+>>15410050
+That's a different anon. I'm just disappointed in you.
+--- 15410059
+>>15410056
+So why did you jump in when I asked him a question? Were you hit on the head regularly too?
+--- 15410062
+>>15410059
+Your refusal to engage his arguments on their merit is disappointing. I thought climate soience was rigorous and settled science.
+--- 15410070
+>>15410062
+Which of his "arguments" do you think is not blatantly wrong? Since you're very eager to defend him, try answering this
+--- 15410071
+>>15410070
+You haven't even presented any evidence on where he's wrong. I'm not going to spoonfeed your narcissism. Shut up and calculate.
+--- 15410107
+>>15410071
+I'm not even a climate scientist or anything close to it and even I can see how stupid his posts are. What's your excuse for not being able to do that? For example, 
+> the calculation in pic rel makes sense, and climate cultist have to modify it
+They have to modify it because it obviously ignores the effect atmosphere you retard 
+>5780K, but there's a standard error of about 100K
+The uncertainty in the temperature of the sun doesn't even come into consideration since you don't calculate energy received at the earth using the sun's temperature but measure it directly instead. In fact, you estimate the temperature based on the energy received.
+>as argued that's known only to one sig fig.
+Notice how he has no evidence for this claim at all.
+
+If only you weren't such a retard, you would realize these simple things
+--- 15410113
+>>15410107
+>the sun's temperature isn't what's providing the earth energy
+is this really what climate cultists believe?
+--- 15410115
+>>15410113
+Did you just hallucinate a statement I never said and then think I said it? Very amusing, do it again!
+--- 15410121
+>>15410107
+i'm the anon who provided the original argument you're buttblasted over. allow me to refer you to another one of my comments.
+>>15400656
+specifically,
+>if you have a better quantitative assessment of the earth's temperature, including your greenhouse effect (WITH ERROR PROPAGATION), please provide it. if you don't know how to do it, then share the calculation you used and the standard errors in each value used, and i'll do it for you.
+look, all the values i'm finding for reflexivity are reported to one sig-fig. so, i made the most generous assumption i could and assumed it was precisely known as possible to one sig-fig accuracy. if you have a more accurate value of albedo to use, please let me know (with source).
+
+as for your egregious claim that the sun's temperature is calculated based on the energy earth receives, that's fucking retarded. star temperatures are calculated by the blackbody spectrum they emit (cf. planck's law). this is a technique used to determine the spectral composition of fucking galaxies that are 12 billion light years away from us, which clearly aren't irradiating earth with any appreciable energy. 
+
+as for the rest of your buttblasted comments,
+>They have to modify it because it obviously ignores the effect atmosphere you retard
+once again, the calculation matches the earth's measured temperature to high precision. it doesn't need to be modified, though if you want to include albedo you get a lower temperature at the expensive of a larger error. again, if you propose a better calculation... well, do it. and if you don't know how to propagate errors, again give me the formula you use, the standard errors of each value, and i'll calculate the standard error in earth's temperature for you.
+--- 15410141
+What drives retards to deny stuff like pandemics, climate and globe? I don't get it.
+
+Fun thread though, some amazing dunning-kruger peak moments. And they seem genuine rather than pretending to be retarded.
+--- 15410153
+>>15387388
+>>15387417
+based
+--- 15410156
+>>15410121
+>please let me know (with source).
+Ok
+https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/2000GL012580
+>Our data imply an average terrestrial albedo of 0.297±0.005
+
+> that's fucking retarded. star temperatures are calculated by the blackbody spectrum they emit
+Stars aren't perfect black bodies you moron. Look at this graph for example
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Solar_spectrum_en.svg
+You can only estimate the temperature using the measured energy and a simple way of estimating the sun's temperature is to measure the energy received at the earth or more directly by a satellite placed above the atomsphere and then calculate the temperature based on the planck distribution. You never measure the temperature and then use that to calculate the energy received at the earth, you measure the energy received directly so only the uncertainties in the latter are relevant
+
+>once again, the calculation matches the earth's measured temperature to high precision. it doesn't need to be modified,
+I know ignoring simple but inconvenient facts such as the existence of an atmosphere is commonplace to you, but you can at least try a bit harder
+--- 15410162
+>>15400057
+>>15400061
+>>15400007
+>>15399809
+RETARD ALERT
+>RETARD ALERT
+--- 15410225
+>>15410156
+>https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/2000GL012580
+>In modeling the reflectance of the earth, we use scene models developed for the Earth Radiation Budget Experiment (ERBE) observations. The cloud cover data, updated every 6 hours, are a whole earth composite of visible-light satellite images from WSIINTELLICAST
+>The cloud cover data, updated every 6 hours, are a whole earth composite of visible-light 
+>visible light
+do you realize that the albedo is a function of the wavelength of light, and that visible light is a very, very, very narrow band of the electromagnetic spectrum? probably not, because you're a dunce. i mean hey, if you want to argue visible light is what's causing global warming, by all means. go ahead. 
+>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Solar_spectrum_en.svg
+who said the sun is a perfect black body? look dude, if you really think the sun's temperature is calculated based on how much energy is detected at earth (red bands in your plot), then i honestly don't know what to tell you.
+>You never measure the temperature and then use that to calculate the energy received at the earth, you measure the energy received directly so only the uncertainties in the latter are relevant
+you clearly don't understand my comments then, because that's not what i'm doing. i'll spell it out more, though i thought i was being clear from the onset. the calculation shows that what, from first principles, that our measurements are consistents with physics. it's climate cultists like you who see a problem where it doesn't exist, and try to refine the calculation using albedo and end up with a less precise calculation. though if you occlude the errors you get to parade around the 255K value of earth's temperature, and then justify the need for green house gas warming. but the point is that you don't need that to make sense of the measured value of earth's temperature--it's already consistent with what's calculated!
+--- 15410251
+>>15410156
+>>15410225
+adding on, the reason why your paper calculated such a precise value for albedo is that they used a very narrow band of electromagnetic radiation (visible light). when you include more wavelengths such as UV, IR, etc., all of which the earth has a different albedo for, the albedo will will change somewhat (0.3) and acquire a larger error due to the more disperse values of albedo. your graph (solar spectrum measured on earth) already proves this: the earth absorbed (i.e., reflects) different wavelengths to much different degrees: some of which nearly 100% so and some of which nearly 0% so. it's so funny to see you dips post data which refutes your own arguments. my original posts in this thread were pointing out the issues in a calculation made by one of you drones, and now my posts are btfo'ing you again on your own fucking claims with your own data and your own citations. funny how that works, when someone actually reads your drivel and understands what's going on, isn't it?
+--- 15410263
+>>15410225
+>>15410251
+Gigachad physicist lays the smackdown on ignorant climate soientists twice in one thread. Truly blessed. Saving these posts.
+--- 15410565
+>>15386219 (OP)
+science is a problem, government is a problem
+--- 15410608
+>>15410225
+>>15410251
+Based
+--- 15410691
+>>15390083
+Imagine not knowing what a slide rule is, and still cheekily directing people to a retard board.
+Made me Zozzle lad
+--- 15411326
+Its an absolute laugh riot that climatefags can't do undergrad thermodynamics.
+--- 15411330
+>>15410225
+>>15410251
+You might be the biggest larping retard I've seen on this site. I don't even want to reply to you since I can't even consider you human now because of how stupid you are, but here's my last reply to you and to this dumb thread. 
+>>The cloud cover data, updated every 6 hours, are a whole earth composite of visible-light
+You imbecile, that's not saying they're only measuring visible light (they were but that's not saying it). That's saying that the photos of the clouds (which they don't even use in the actual measurement of the reflectance) were taken with visible light. How are you this stupid?
+>visible light is a very, very, very narrow band of the electromagnetic spectrum
+About 50% of solar radiation is in the visible spectrum you idiot
+>who said the sun is a perfect black body?
+You: >>15410121 >star temperatures are calculated by the blackbody spectrum they emit
+> if you really think the sun's temperature is calculated based on how much energy is detected at earth 
+That is how one of the first reasonably accurate estimates of the sun's surface temperature was made you buffoon
+>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan%E2%%93Boltzmann_law#Temperature_of_the_Sun
+But notice how you ignored the part where I said you could also measure the energy outside the atmosphere.
+>you clearly don't understand my comments then
+I clearly do understand and have concluded that you are a schizo who ignores reality and the fact that 30% of the solar radiation incident on the earth is reflected.
+>the albedo will change somewhat (0.3) and acquire a larger error
+No it won't you retard. 
+https://ceres.larc.nasa.gov/science/#earths-energy-budget-and-surface-temperature
+https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo1580
+>absorbed (i.e., reflects)
+Lmao. Did they not teach you the difference between absorption and reflection in the larp school for retarded cranks?
+--- 15411351
+>>15411330
+You sound upset. 
+>Admits to presenting a result that omits over half the data
+>Doesn't see a problem
+Yep definitely a climate soientists. Are you an intentional liar or is it accidental?
+--- 15411358
+>>15411351
+So you, the guy who was repeatedly caught lying about the errors in albedo measurement, are accusing me of lying about something? 
+Notice how you can't respond to a single point I made
+--- 15411363
+>>15411358
+I'm not the physicist who laid the smackdown on you. I just think it's funny how much you're seething. Doubly funny how hard you're projecting. Wasn't that supposed to be your swan song — your last post in this thread? Here you are posting immediately again. To laugh at you more
+>He doesn't realize the Stefan Boltzmann law used to calculate the suns temperature treats the sun as a black body 
+My sides man. You will never be a real scientist
+--- 15411367
+>>15411363
+Don't worry, I know that neither he not you, his sycophant lackey, are real physicists and are instead larp school graduates who don't know the difference between absorption and reflection that even a kindergartener would know :-)
+--- 15411387
+Bumping this thread just to embarrass the schizo who thought he debunked climate change

sci/15387291.txt

@@ -237,3 +237,35 @@ Oil companies are planning to replace all their vaccinated employees after they
 This woman works in a gas and oil recruitment firm. She says that higher level industry executives have given her instructions involving plans to replace all their vaccinated employees, about half of their staff, within the next three years. The implication is that these higher level oil and gas executives know that all or most of their vaccinated employees will be dying from those vaccines.
 
 https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ls1m4haniGpC/
+--- 15409669
+>>15408809
+This deserves its own thread.
+--- 15410335
+>>15408575
+Thats standard jewish theology, they think only jews are human and everyone else is their livestock
+--- 15410557
+>>15410335
+DA JOOOS shat your pants again
+--- 15410793
+>>15408809
+Un-Jabbed are preferred everywhere now.
+--- 15410874
+>>15387291 (OP)
+You live in a society of feral retards and not only that, they are at the steering wheel. Sorry you had to find out this way but I tried to warn you
+--- 15410880
+>>15391451
+--- 15411173
+>>15388408
+Free speech is itself an intrinsically leftist (French Enlightenment) idea. You are as clueless as you are stupid.
+--- 15411242
+>>15411173
+Don't expect a inbred right wing incel to have a very deep understanding of politics. Incel probably doesn't even know what the Enlightenment was.
+--- 15411464
+>>15411173
+>>15411242
+okay so then call the modern "left wing" retarded for who they paint as "right wing" too you disingenuous fucks. that little piece of pop-history trivia is irrelevant to the current discussion.
+--- 15411471
+>>15387291 (OP)
+Didn't read, why do you waste your time reposting their propaganda? You dumb useful idiot.
+
+Learn to play the game already, because you're still losing it.

sci/15389556.txt

@@ -690,3 +690,89 @@ Ironically only some philosophers still cling to determinism
 --- 15408908
 >>15408893
 Determinism is not a theory so it can't be falsified, you retard
+--- 15408926
+>>15391401
+This is a good paper - it actually justifies science.
+It is showing that our senses are subjective and you MUST use objective observations and science to make progress.
+What you "believe" is real is not. What is real is what can be objectively measured.
+--- 15408929
+>>15392605
+God this chart so explains modern Republicans.
+--- 15408933
+>>15393596
+> explored through philosophy
+
+"explored" but NOT "answered".
+Huge difference.
+--- 15408939
+>>15393633
+
+WHAT: Science
+WHERE: Science
+WHEN: Science
+HOW: Science
+
+WHY: Subjective purpose
+
+"Why" is subjective. There is only "why" within your consciousness. Your "why" is not my "why".
+Philosophy does not answer "why".
+Philosophy is nothing more than the attempt to justify a "why" answer internally and then standardize "why" answers across multiple individuals.
+--- 15408967
+>>15394229
+>too high IQ for your tiny little brain
+
+Your belief in a conscious creator when it is not required shows your intelligence. 
+
+It is not radical to claim there must be "something" rather than nothing. This is actually the predominant view. 
+There is zero justification for then jumping to the conclusion that this "something" - whatever it is - requires a "creator". 
+
+For example, let's say "Math" is the something that <always> exists. You don;t need a creator. Math just IS. If you want to call that "God" to satisfy your weak, limited mind that fears death and the unknown, go ahead. But the rest of us don't need your crutch. Sorry, dude.
+--- 15408981
+>>15408858
+>I'll give you three.
+>1. Turing machine in Malament-Hogarth spacetime allowing for infinite computations in one reference frame to be evaluated in finite time in another reference frame
+Theoretical
+
+>2. Oracle machine for any set of uncomputable problems
+Fiction
+
+>3. Free will
+Fiction
+--- 15408986
+>>15408881
+>Philosophers hate science since it debunks their stupid questions like the question of free will or the mind body problem and so on
+
+Yes. But I wouldn't call the questions stupid. Philosophers can predict answers, scientists get answers. 
+Philosophy has a place. Whenever a scientist creates a theory, he/she is doing philosophy. When they validate that theory, they are doing science.
+--- 15409029
+>>15408561
+> math isn't a subset of science
+Give me an example of something that is mathematical and not scientific.
+--- 15409032
+>>15408986
+>Whenever a scientist creates a theory, he/she is doing philosophy
+No, if the theory is a scientific theory i.e. it is intended to solve or reframe a scientific issue, then they're doing science.
+--- 15409327
+>>15408981
+The first two are theoretical. The poster asked for computational models after all, not for existing devices. Free will though is obviously real and suffices to destroy the Church-Turing hypothesis.
+--- 15409332
+>>15409029
+Gödel's incompleteness theorem
+--- 15409342
+>>15408986
+>Philosophers can predict answer
+Show me a philosophical prediction.
+
+>Philosophy has a place. Whenever a scientist creates a theory, he/she is doing philosophy. 
+If any scientist without education in philosophy can already trivially do philosophy then philosophy seems to be quite a weak and cucked field. If it has absolutely no intellectual prerequisites then how can you give philosophy any value higher than toilet cleaning?
+--- 15409367
+>>15389556 (OP)
+autism
+--- 15409436
+>>15408841
+But what makes something useless? You realize that's a normative question right? One person's useless is going to be someone else's useful.
+--- 15409441
+The problem is that the good philosophy is wrong speecherino nowadays
+--- 15409582
+>>15408929
+Ahh yes, it is the troons who dont know what gender they are that is the intelligentsia. You people are psychotic and delusional.

sci/15389866.txt

@@ -336,3 +336,11 @@ I'm so glad global warming is finally over! Now all the activists can retire and
 >>15404777
 soifags are so ignorant that they don't know the basics of their own language.
 is it brain atrophy due to poor nutrition?
+--- 15410217
+>oh no!! good news about the enviornment
+>reeeeeeeeeee its a conspiracy!!!
+>muh messiah complex muffugguh
+>i'm gonna save the world!!
+--- 15411130
+>>15389969
+The two largest natural areas in my state outside of the national park are both privately owned and are both financed by the cattle grazing. One of them has the world's greatest steakhouse at the west end.

sci/15390726.txt

@@ -253,3 +253,13 @@ Trust the science, goy.
 --- 15408605
 >>15405119
 nooooooooo!!! you can't test on animals, thats inhumane!!! mice are people!!! i'm so stupid i can't tell the difference between humans and animals!!! you must cater to my idiocy!!!
+--- 15409770
+>>15391365
+No, the cause of that problem is affirmative action.
+The rise in medical accidents correlates with the rise in the number of niggers practicing medicine, which was the result of affirmative action.
+--- 15410589
+>>15390726 (OP)
+distraction
+--- 15411275
+>>15410589
+It isn't, its significant and important scientific information. You may want to SHUT IT DOWN, but thats only because you're a jewish butt pirate

sci/15390974.txt

@@ -102,3 +102,26 @@ this
 >>15390974 (OP)
 >the climate has been ''amazingly stable'' for 150 years.
 barring a volcanic event which blocks sunlight, solar input is the only factor that determines planetary temperature. the effects of the last big volcanic event had faded away by about 150 years ago. this stuff isn't hard to understand
+--- 15409058
+>>15408544
+>the effects of the last big volcanic event had faded away by about 150 years ago.
+There was also the Pinatubo eruption in the early 90s-
+>this stuff isn't hard to understand
+True. Even girls with no scientific training screams that the science is done.
+--- 15410300
+>>15390974 (OP)
+>Incontrovertible is not a scientific word. Nothing is incontrovertible in science.''
+Science has become political and dogmatic in favor of progressive lunatics
+--- 15410341
+>>15396438
+>NOO YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY HAVE HETERODOX IDEAS AS A GENIUS YOU NEED TO TOW THE LINE
+retard
+--- 15410817
+>>15390974 (OP)
+>The society's policy statement says: ''The evidence is incontrovertible: global warming is occurring.''
+>But Professor Giaever, 82, who shared the 1973 Nobel physics prize, said: 
+>''Incontrovertible is not a scientific word. Nothing is incontrovertible in science.'' 
+He is right about that; but instead of refuting the evidence, he bitches about the conclusion.
+--- 15411317
+>>15410341
+How far off are we for Nobel prizes being given out for regurgitating dogma? Maybe I can figure out a unique way to paraphrase GR & gets muh prize?

sci/15394842.txt

@@ -69,3 +69,9 @@ Nothing wrong with it, a scientist is a tube where you put money in one end and
 --- 15408547
 >>15394842 (OP)
 they're no different than homeless bums demanding handouts, except in that they demand a lot more money. in the case of either one, they'll still be back the next day in the same spot, still demanding more free money in exchange for nothing in return
+--- 15410061
+>>15404419
+Over $12 trillion wasted on a nonexistent viral epidemic
+--- 15411124
+>>15395259
+>money --> food --> brain --> schemes to get more free money without doing anything worthwhile to earn it

sci/15394955.txt

@@ -162,3 +162,63 @@ Other than as noted above, there should be no tolerance for the vaccinated. Thes
 >>15403286
 >inferior strain of schizophrenia
 hehe
+--- 15410065
+>>15394968
+>t. Penetrated by rod
+Gay
+--- 15410069
+>>15394968
+They hated him because he spoke the truth
+--- 15410086
+>>15402032
+How did I make a mistake? I took the vaccine and it hasnt negatively affected me in any way
+--- 15410089
+>>15410086
+It's your right to believe that.
+--- 15410098
+>>15410086
+No one gives a fuck about that, the problem comes to play when you didn't want it.
+--- 15410116
+>>15410089
+No, elaborate on your point. You schizos go on and on about how the vaccinated have made some grave mistake and that they will all suffer for it, so the least you can do is defend your stance. We've been waiting like 2 years now, when will the vaxxed start dropping like flies and face these terrible repercussions from getting the jab?
+>>15410098
+I dont know what you're talking about, I was never against the vaccine
+--- 15410143
+>>15410122
+>It's been happening since 2021, did you just miss it?
+Maybe I missed it because literally nothing has happened
+>There was even a peer reviewed article about how "anti-vax messaging" was causing vaccine-takers to have heart attacks en masse due to stress.
+What a load of crap lmao. Why don't you post the article, might be good for a laugh at least
+--- 15410368
+>>15410116
+--- 15410411
+>>15410116
+>I dont know what you're talking about, I was never against the vaccine
+Fuck off with the semantics faggot. There was a clear problem with how unvaxxed people were treated, it's as simple as that, if you can't get that across your mind, get your IQ tested. I'm afraid you might be a midwit.
+--- 15410422
+>>15410411
+It's not a problem of intelligence imo, it's a problem of character. Hence: >>15394969
+
+Which is almost worse than just being dumb, in a way,
+--- 15410550
+>>15410422
+I'm aware anon. Big chance it is a tranny/paid shill as well, judging by the terminology he uses. But no worries, faggots like him will walk into their own demise with their homosexual mindset.
+
+I'm only pointing it out for other anons to see.
+--- 15410849
+>>15394955 (OP)
+Man, some of you people are not just regular crazy, but crazy crazy
+--- 15410853
+>>15410849
+You're welcome.
+--- 15410868
+This thread is truly enlightening. Now I understand that 4chan is actually populated of 99% absolute retards. I don't want to live on the same planet as the literal apes who seriously think of posting their anti-vax vomit on science thread.
+--- 15410871
+>>15410868
+There is nothing more anti-science than supporting vaccination.
+--- 15411331
+>>15410868
+Good, leave faggot.
+--- 15411418
+>>15394968
+Ok now OP has more facts than fiction

sci/15395240.txt

@@ -222,3 +222,9 @@ none of them did
 --- 15408779
 >>15408766
 Wrong
+--- 15410026
+>>15408159
+Clyde Tombaugh goes on the list too, he had a high school diploma when he made the 20th century's biggest astronomical discovery.
+--- 15411015
+>>15410026
+Can you imagine an astronomer that was actually capable of building a working telescope? Used to be par for the course back in Tombaugh's day, these days none of them can, they don't even know how the telescopes work, its all built for them by defense contractors.

sci/15395525.txt

@@ -356,3 +356,20 @@ if i have kids, would giving them this just to make them taller be a bad idea?
 --- 15408309
 >>15407532
 I read that's an opioid.
+--- 15409462
+>>15395535
+>Children that actually have ADHD aren't really negatively affected by the medication
+This might be the biggest gigacope in all of modern medicine. Amphetamines are universally considered to be a performance enhancing drug. It's why millions of college students take them to study long hours, and why they were given to fighter pilots on long missions. This whole narrative of 
+>uh actually it's dangerous poison for you but it's medicine for me based on a superficial personality test
+is the goofiest gatekeeping nonsense ever devised.
+--- 15409467
+>>15408309
+It's true that it interacts with you opioid receptors but in lower doses it is absolutely stimulating. There's no contradiction here, cocaine is used as a local anesthetic but that doesn't mean it's not a stimulant.
+--- 15409498
+why do you want to give children meth? what the fuck is wrong with you? there are much better medicines available without all the downsides of meth. i wouldnt even put concerta in the top five... adderall is meth lite. meth's lipophilic methyl group gives it better penetration and speed (no pun intended) but aside from that its the same compound. nooo you just can't compare two extremely similar things waaaa this one thing is the exception to a universal rule except when i say it isnt bigot
+--- 15409737
+>>15409498
+Why do you want to give children H2O? What the fuck is wrong with you? Don't you know it can lead to death by inhalation or ingestion?
+--- 15409740
+>>15409737
+that's a great point, there are superior alternatives available such as breast milk or mountain dew

sci/15397116.txt

@@ -311,3 +311,253 @@ You should shave your neckbeard, get a hair cut, lose some weight or wear contac
 --- 15408763
 >>15397920
 Diagnosis and treatment of muscoloskelettal dysfunctions falls short in traditional school medicine, there isn't really a good comprehensive evidence based diagnostic system in place to deal with the complexity of the issue outside of mutlimodal pain therapy for symptomatic relief. So shit like chiropractics, osteopathy or TCM comes into play, using their own systems to adress it, but you'd be hard pressed to call them sufficiently "evidence based", hence it's luck of the draw to a degree. Properly analyzing more complex dynamic or structural issues requires training, experience and most of all time, the skillset isn't necessarily part of your training as an ortho or PM&R, and you certainly won't get the time to do it properly in a clinical setting. That is not say it completely falls short, as it can correctly assess and treat certain issues , but if the regular treatment options don't work for you and you'll start approaching the wall of just getting pills and PT for symptomatic relief it's best to pony up the money and look elswhere for further diagnostic testing. But then again, alternative medicine is also full of quacks so be prepared for a frustrating journey
+--- 15409184
+Why am I becoming so cynical /med/? I had a severely demented woman in the emergency department, so demented that she could not even talk or eat on her own. She had removed her PEG tube for the third time in one year now so we had to reinsert it. 
+My question is why the hell are we using resources on keeping these people alive? Why are we reintroducing a PEG tube so that she can continue to eat when left to her own devices supposed to die in such a condition?
+--- 15409219
+>>15409184
+Religion says that suicide is bad and killing is bad.
+Says nothing about suffering. On the contrary.
+People in your country are very faithful. Of course you don't kill grandma. We want everything done!
+Keep her alive as long as possible, will you? She's not gone as long as we can keep visiting her every few years
+--- 15409400
+>>15409184
+You’re becoming cynical because you see your work as futile. I was like you a couple months ago. I’ve gassed critical cases with lactate >10 only for them to die at the ICU or under a shitty sedation provided by the surgeon at the surgery floor because ICU wouldn’t take them. 
+I remember one time. A laparotomy of a 50some sweet woman. It was an ulcerative tumor that rekd her. The scalpel nigger did what he wanted, I did what I could. Died in less than four after after discharging her to the surgery floor under sedation. 
+When I talked to her I promised I’d do whatever it was at my hands so her husband would see her again. And he did. Some times it’s not about saving lives, but more about giving the ill a fighting chance. That man got four more precious hours to tell her how much he loved her and to say his goodbyes. How much would you pay to have the same chance after your hours are gone, Anon?
+--- 15409608
+>>15408751
+>You should shave your neckbeard
+I'm clean shaven.
+>get a hair cut
+I wear my hair short. 
+>lose some weight
+I weigh 165 lbs at 6 feet tall. 
+>or wear contact lenses
+You got me there. I wear the autism/incel glasses. 
+
+And honestly, I'm ugly. Had a dying lady once tell me "why you look like that" one time I entered her room.
+--- 15409681
+>>15409608
+NTA, but rip. You could try lifting and see if that helps
+--- 15409708
+>>15397920
+Chiropractic is glorified stretching
+--- 15409741
+>>15409184
+The most ridicoules one I've seen was back in early medschool, it was an older lady, she had become blind, was in constant pain and her skin had become so thin in places that it bascially ripped off at any touch, it was really beyond pergament skin thin. Back then I helped a nurse with her wound dressings and her arms were just covered in open sores where the skin had come off, even eating caused her pain, so she was just lying in bed, either sedated or moaning, telling the staff she just wanted to die, and that just went on for weeks until I finished my "nurse rotation" (required in my country for medschool). Can't remember what exactley she had, but that was honestly the worst state I've seen a non-critical patient in, I sincerely hope she died soon after
+--- 15409987
+Halp. I've fallen, and I can't get up. I graduated with a humanities degree from a US top 3 school. I am 27 (white, m). I would like to go back to school for med school (post-bac + med school or IMG). I was great at natural sciences and humanities in high school (National AP Scholar). However, I was kind of average in college because of problems (that I won't mention). Is it too late for me? Replies from doctors or med school students are preferred (especially non-traditional students). Any advice would be appreciated. I already tried /adv/,
+--- 15410007
+>>15409987
+I mean yeah it's totally doable but really ask yourself if you want this before you commit
+--- 15410017
+>>15409987
+What's your plan if you fail?
+It's really hard and some people don't make it.
+Even if you do make it, it's very long hours for okayish pay.
+You haven't even started falling yet
+--- 15410040
+>>15409987
+Consider going to EMT school first to show "genuine interest" in patient care/healthcare etc. and do some of that work so you can show clinical exposure and convince them you don't just want to do medicine for the money
+--- 15410041
+>>15410007
+It's all I think about. I read research papers (I work for a publishing company) about public health and molecular biology and I psych myself out not being able to do that kind of work. I didn't have guidance early on because white parents are hands-off. I'm smart, but I really wish someone just smacked me upside the head after 6th grade microscopy and told me to be a doctor. It's still my fault, nevertheless.
+--- 15410047
+>>15410017
+I'm working outside the states atm. If I bomb out of post-bac, I will just work to pay off the debt and return to where I am.
+--- 15410053
+>>15410040
+Good idea. However, EMT work is non-existent where I live. I was thinking of just doing a MPH first (internationally) before doing a post-bac to show that I am not in it for the money. Law and ibanking are better for money, but I don't care for those fields.
+--- 15410495
+What are ways to get around vaccine requirements? Asking for a friend
+--- 15410523
+>>15410495
+death, continuous chemotherapy.
+--- 15410681
+>>15410523
+Shalom
+--- 15410704
+I'm a 20 year old white man with a 3.3 GPA. I'm not going to make it into medical school. All I wanted to do was take out people's gallbladders. I have extensive clinical experience compared to most other premeds but because of my fucking low GPA I can't realize the only thing I want to do in life, and I'm probably going to kill myself. Meanwhile, all these TikTok type Instathot girls at my uni are able to get by with 3.6-4.0 GPAs with their 8$ Starbucks drinks and they don't have a tenth of the real world experience that I do nor do they give a shit about medicine and humanity, they just like the perceived status and wealth, yet they will be the ones who get in, not me.
+Fuck this gay world, fuck humanity, it's over.
+--- 15410711
+>>15410704
+Sounds like a skill issue
+--- 15410715
+>>15410711
+I want to blow my brains out.
+--- 15410717
+>>15410711
+I keep getting B's. A B is a 3.0. I understand the material and I study and feel like I do fine but I get fucking B's. Even a B+ isn't good enough. A B+ average is a 3.3, what I have. I am in Hell. This is a curse. I wish I wanted to do something else.
+--- 15410722
+>>15410704
+Why didn't you focus on your GPA first instead of clinical experience? You can always get more experience but GPA stays with you.
+--- 15410725
+>>15410722
+I had dual enrollment credits from highschool that were less than a 3 so I was already setting myself up for failure. I got a C in genchem 1, I got an A in genchem 2, and I got a C+ in organic 1, and an A- in general biology. I think my science GPA is higher than my cGPA. I did focus on my GPA, and I got a fucking 3.3
+--- 15410726
+>>15410722
+Me when the fact that it is over and I will never get accepted to medical school and I will also always be alone and never be happy sets in
+--- 15410729
+>>15410725
+>I did focus on my GPA, and I got a fucking 3.3
+I don't want to be mean to you but if you get a 3.3 with your upmost effort, that's not a good look. Change your study habits now. 
+>>15410726
+It's not over yet. And besides, you need to stop putting medicine on a pedestal. Your life isn't over if you're not a doctor.
+--- 15410731
+>>15410729
+>>I don't want to be mean to you but if you get a 3.3 with your upmost effort, that's not a good look. Change your study habits now.
+What the fuck is wrong with me then? Am I retarded? Why can't I get A's?
+>>15410729
+>stop putting medicine on a pedestal
+I'm not putting it on a pedestal it's just working in healthcare is genuinely fun and exciting and the world isn't going to let me pursue it because I suppose I am too retarded to get A's.
+--- 15410734
+>>15410704
+Why do you want to do what you want to do specifically? Genuinely curious
+--- 15410735
+>>15410734
+Family medicine or general surgery
+--- 15410739
+>>15410735
+Yes but why are you so adamant over it to the point of suicide if you fail to do so
+--- 15410741
+>>15410739
+Because what will I do then? I'm not able to find love, and medicine is the only thing that makes that OK, I'm content with not finding love if I can just do medicine. So I would be a lonely loser lab tech or something and I'd off myself from the loneliness and I would hate being a lab tech.
+--- 15410742
+>>15410731
+>I'm not putting it on a pedestal it's just working in healthcare is genuinely fun and exciting and the world isn't going to let me pursue it because I suppose I am too retarded to get A's.
+You can't say you're not putting it on a pedestal if you're feeling suicidal over the prospect of not getting in. I'm just saying that there is more to life to than medicine, being a doctor is just a job.
+--- 15410744
+>>15410742
+>being a doctor is just a job.
+I guess I don't see it that way. There are other things besides medicine I enjoy, but nothing as much as medicine. Idk if I should even be applying next cycle. I wish I didn't even start being premed, I knew in my heart when I was a senior in highschool that I didn't have what it takes to succeed academically, but I went along anyways because that's what you're supposed to do.
+--- 15410748
+>>15410744
+And now I'm here with a 3.3 while all these ethots and indians get 4-0s seemingly without any effort
+--- 15410751
+>>15410748
+>indians
+Why are you singling out Indians for achieving academically?
+--- 15410757
+>>15410751
+Just because it is dominated by Indians where I am at least. I'm often the only white guy in the room at these premed events.
+--- 15410762
+>>15410748
+Look into postbacc programs specifically tailored for people with bad GPAs. They might actually clamor to take you as the only white guy just for appearance's sake.
+--- 15410763
+>>15410757
+Maybe ask the Indians for studying tips? Obviously, there's something wrong with your studying habits if you're only getting a 3.3 with all your efforts. You need to get better at studying if you hope to even do the MCAT, which is what you need to do extremely well on to make up for your GPA.
+--- 15410765
+>>15410762
+Idk, I don't think that will even fix it at this point. Society doesn't want me.
+>>15410763
+>Maybe ask the Indians for studying tips
+Everyone refuses to speak to me>>15410763
+>You need to get better at studying if you hope to even do the MCAT, which is what you need to do extremely well on to make up for your GPA.
+I don't know how to get better at studying. I am able to remember a great deal of information but I guess I'm bad at problem solving, hence why I do good in biology courses and bad in organic chemistry. I think it is just over and I need to KMS. There is no solution. It just gets more competitive every year. I hate this country and I hope China nukes us
+--- 15410780
+>>15410741
+Perhaps you need to take a break anon. You should take some time off and try and fix yourself before you fix others and I mean that in the most loving way possible bro
+--- 15410784
+>>15410780
+I took a whole semester off after my first semester of college and I was just bored. There's nothing for me to fix. I just have no friends and want to do medicine and keep on getting 3.3 GPA
+--- 15410785
+>>15410765
+>I think it is just over and I need to KMS. There is no solution. It just gets more competitive every year. I hate this country and I hope China nukes us
+You genuinely need to calm down bro.
+--- 15410786
+>>15410785
+>You genuinely need to calm down bro.
+How can I when my soul is on the line?
+--- 15410789
+>>15410786
+>How can I when my soul is on the line?
+Again, there is more to life than medicine.
+--- 15410792
+>>15410789
+>Again, there is more to life than medicine.
+What like having a family? Oh wait I can't do that
+--- 15410795
+>>15410792
+Bro, I'm a virgin and I never had a relationship and I don't really have friends but I still enjoy life.
+--- 15410800
+>>15410795
+It is very simple, I am not going to get into medical school and I will kill myself. I have known this since middle school.
+--- 15410808
+>>15410786
+>>15410792
+>>15410795
+
+You should read the Bible and out your faith in Jesus Christ. Society and people may reject you but Jesus would never reject you. He died for you. For your soul and your sins. He is at the door friend. All you need to do is open the door and accept him. And if you honestly seek him with all of your heart,soul and mind he will reveal himself
+--- 15410811
+>>15410808
+Put**
+--- 15410812
+>>15410808
+Why was I tagged lmao. I'm just trying to help the dude realize that there is more to life than working.
+--- 15410815
+>>15410808
+>>15410812
+Jesus would reject me.
+I've had bouts throughout the year where I am in bed for weeks and it felt like I was dying, and I wouldn't eat and just skipped class trying to die and rot away in my bed. I felt better before but now I feel like doing that again. Only the boring parts are work.
+--- 15410818
+>>15410815
+>just skipped class
+I think that's why your GPA is a 3.3...
+--- 15410825
+>>15410815
+He would never reject you. He himself was rejected by the world and so are his people. Again you should read The Bible. Start from new testament and try and apply what you learn into your life BUT YOU MUST REPENT AND BELIEVE
+--- 15410889
+>>15399300
+They generally don’t make sense, and are for fence sitters, with a few exceptions. For example, if you want to be in charge of a big facility that has peds beds, having peds training in addition to adult might be a requirement. Pretty rare though.
+--- 15410909
+>>15409987
+have you considered other options like optometry or podiatry?
+--- 15411037
+>>15410704
+https://med.unr.edu/md-admissions/post-baccalaureate
+http://studiesinenglish.med.bg.ac.rs/studies-in-english/applying-to-ubfm
+
+The latter only requires high school. If you were slightly above average in high school and college, that is probably enough. A MD is a MD.
+
+I was there too. A lot of being poignant in academic affairs is not breaking down selfobject relations and making incrementally small wins. Confidence is competance.
+
+I was originally getting Cs in precalculus in high school and I turned it around and got accepted to a US top 3 school as a white guy from a working class background.
+
+You have to want it.
+--- 15411112
+I'm not asking for treatment advice here, but medically speaking why does all the muscle pain and stiffness occur several vertebra above the site of my T12 injury, rather than at the site itself? I fucked it up while climbing a few years ago but it typically feels fine, the issues occur between and slightly below my shoulder blades
+--- 15411123
+>>15403334
+Got better. Hoping that these fuckers won't comeback or it's repeat of mebendazole and then most likely trip to hospital (prolly for manual removal if not for more antiparasitics). Why did I have to be such a retard to undercook chicken and eat raw fish?
+--- 15411169
+>>15409987
+>Is it too late for me?
+I've never understood this. You're going to age regardless. If you're going to age, you might as well go to medical school while you're at it. I hope that makes sense. 
+
+One of my professors in my undergrad is actually an MS1 right now. She wanted to go to medical school and she just went ahead and did it because that's what she wanted to do.
+--- 15411197
+if i bought an ultrasound machine what kind of stuff could i diagnose with it (even very crudely)
+
+putting an x-ray in my house is obviously impractical, but I've seen people get alot of mileage out of ultrasounds, I'm just wondering how far I could take it
+--- 15411202
+how dangerous is it to biopsy your own muscle tissue, and is there a way to prevent yourself from going into shock?
+--- 15411209
+>>15410741
+you could go be a doctor for kids in syria or something, they don't really give a shit how much residency you've done cus they can't afford someone with le degree anyway
+--- 15411246
+Any fellow rad techs/ radiographers in this thread? My question is how many general x-ray examinations do you perform on average in an 8 hour shift? I work in private radiology practice, not a hospital. I used to average around 32-40 exams per day but since my company introduced an automated bookings system, it's consistently over that number. I did 52 motherfucking general exams today and I'm starting to think being a slave in ancient Rome must have been better than this shit. When I do CT I usually average between 25 - 30 exams being that exams are 15 minute appointments and I get 30 minutes for lunch. 30 CT scans is luxury compared to 52 general x-rays. What are your average numbers? Is my rage justified or am I just turning into a pussy who can't hack it anymore?
+--- 15411292
+>>15410495
+The vaccine requirements are there to filter low IQ chuds like yourself
+--- 15411320
+How do I maintain my faith in humanity when I see so many 600lb walruses who live in squalor blame thyroid problems or genetics for their condition rather than their life choices?
+--- 15411497
+>>15411197
+>what find?
+gallbladder stuff; inflammation, stones
+heart stuff: thrombi, pericardial effusion, etc.
+abdominal aortic aneurysms
+hydronephro
+some hernias
+get some gel and your rocking.

sci/15397156.txt

@@ -503,3 +503,89 @@ Point is, from the level of a child to a college undergrad, the man got everythi
 --- 15408765
 >>15408755
 The vagueness mostly resides in his characterisation of the second study. It's unclear who or what he's comparing or which statistic he is attempting to cite.
+--- 15408945
+>>15408765
+>It's unclear who or what he's comparing or which statistic he is attempting to cite.
+Not at all. Happy to explain. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1651261302268997634
+>Comprehensive study in Sweden shows *increased* suicide!
+pre/post operative suicide risks are not assessed.
+If mortality, "[All-cause mortality (ACM)] did not reach statistical significance for the period 1989–2003."
+"[...] survival of transsexual persons started to diverge [...] after about 10 years [...]"
+So the only significant and meaningful difference is 6 years of the study, or 20% of the time.There is no way Elon is not wrong or wrongly inferring.
+
+Then there's Elon's goalpost shifting schizophasia.
+>If we take as given that the [sweden] study 2-3X suicide rate is correct, then doing surgery or chemical sterilization on minors gains nothing in reduced mortality.
+This is incoherent. The study did not assess independent effect of intervention. Lowest age of sample was 20, so effect on minors was definitely not even incidentally/accidentally assessed.
+>My position is simply that we should wait until an individual is mature enough to make their own decisions
+This is just a statement of disposition and does not follow from the cited study. Goalpost shifted. Hard.
+>The counter to my position would be that if we don’t make the changes when they’re a minor, they may never reach adulthood due to suicide.
+This is a false dichotomy. There are many counters, including other factual refutations e.g. as outlined above. Also including values e.g. "Suffering and its effects compounding suffering are sufficient to do so".
+>However, that counterargument does not hold water if mortality is essentially unchanged, which it is. 
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
+Anyone being wrong doesn't make Elon right.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact%E2%80%93value_distinction
+Nor would Elon being factually right make his value judgment "true".
+
+Not vague at all to me.
+--- 15409063
+>>15408749
+This is trivially falsified by the fact that you can inject hormones or modify the endocrine system of a person and it does not induce gender dysphoria
+--- 15409095
+>>15397156 (OP)
+I thought the counter was that if they don't make the changes when they're minor, they won't pass later due to testosterone making them look masculine? is this guy retarded or disingenuous on purpose?
+--- 15409497
+>>15409095
+>is this guy retarded or disingenuous on purpose?
+It could easily be both
+--- 15409500
+>>15408945
+Eh, fair enough. We don't need to try to divine what argument he thinks he's making when every argument he could possibly be making is wrong.
+--- 15409959
+>>15409500
+>Eh, fair enough. We don't need to try to divine what argument he thinks he's making when every argument he could possibly be making is wrong.
+You'd be surprised how often it has to come to proof by exhaustion with proof by contradiction. Deal with hypocritical moving goalposts of what "sufficient reason" is for long enough and at some point you just resign yourself to always delivering an exhaustive proof by exclusion every fucking time. Kind of warps my idea of what constitutes "vague" I suppose.
+
+Granted anyone can just shit out nonsense when cornered, and that is a distinguishing unique feature of narcissistic personality disorder. I mention that as I think Elon has narcissistic personality disorder on that same basis. I can't get traction to get funding to publish a study on it, but I swear that being confronted with "proof by contradiction" reliably triggers narcissistic schizophasia every single time in every single case. Uniquely to narcissistic personality disorder. Since the only way out of admitting "I fucked up" when every alternative involves still more falsehood is by reaching for nonsense, and the mere superficial perception of truth. That is exactly what Elon did by shifting the goalpost to personal value judgments.
+
+So either that or he has professional training in dishonestly managing public perception, which I could very well believe could involve training people to behave like someone with NPD.
+--- 15409962
+>>15397772
+20% retard genes and 80% abuse from trannies. it's how fags reproduce, they rape kids, and those kids grow up to be faggot trannies.
+--- 15409965
+>>15398212
+>the vast body of evidence in favour of the efficacy of sex reassignment
+hey look it's fucking nothing! hmm yes a number of self reported studies WITHOUT FUCKING CONTROL GROUPS which show negligible results aaaand... that's fucking it! Wow! You just self-reported yourself to be a complete retard, and I just finished filling out the latest Penis Size survey (2,000,000 inches, by the way).
+--- 15409995
+>>15409959
+>I mention that as I think Elon has narcissistic personality disorder on that same basis.
+You're probably right. Which makes this >>15408245 defence of Musk rather ironic.
+--- 15410049
+>>15409995
+>You're probably right. Which makes this >>15408245 defence of Musk rather ironic.
+You'll see that quite a lot once you learn about NPD. You can look into research on attempts to evaluate treatment options for NPD. There's rather strong disagreement on this but I think the general notion that NPD can't be cured is sadly true. They take everything they learn and use it as further tools for manipulation. Someone with NPD would then just try to preemptively accuse others of being a narcissist as one method of trying to exert their whims and cover their own manipulations, and often on very arbitrary grounds.
+
+The key difference is always superficiality and contingency. A narcissist so accused on the basis of specific falsifiable evidence would resort to schizophasia and manipulation tactics, including preemptively accusing others of what they're doing or qualities they have. People earnestly trying to understand or point out narcissism do so on the basis of very clearly communicated and very much falsifiable grounds, and generally not preemptively but descriptively. For example, it is possible my notion on the reactance from proof by contradiction is wrong. No strings attached. I'd just be wrong. My values or intuitions don't factor into it. For the narcissist there can be no such thing as "no strings attached", and if they're "wrong" it's only because they were actually right. That's why it's fucking impossible to cure them.
+
+The difficulty of following such slim difference, especially in real time, is also why dealing with a real narcissist is fucking exhausting. Especially if you've become their obsession. Even professionals don't want to touch them with a ten foot pole. I think people enjoy being around literal psychopaths more.
+--- 15410137
+>>15397156 (OP)
+Why is it ethical for adults to be allowed to take permanently damaging actions upon their lives? If someone even suggests that they need a gender change, they no longer are capable of consenting to having one. Get the libertarian shit framing out of here
+--- 15410145
+Did anyone look at the one trial in his sample to verify that there was even a single successful test? What if the only data point showed a failure and he lied?
+--- 15410174
+What is this thread even about?
+Trannies kill themselves?
+Mentally ill parents shouldn't be allowed to damage their kids?
+Something else, what?
+--- 15410222
+>>15410174
+Helene is not the parent. Helene is the sister.
+>>15405534 →
+--- 15410229
+>>15410222
+>>15410222
+>>15410222
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNR4hKbSH7I [Embed]
+--- 15411300
+>>15410174
+>Are there any other studies similar to the one Musk quotes here? 200%-300% seems like a pretty broad range of results to be considered authoritative, must've been pretty small sample size.

sci/15397540.txt

@@ -426,3 +426,10 @@ TL:DR, we can modify fuly developped organisms, we just don't have the technolog
 --- 15408851
 >>15408831
 Bacteriophage aren't bacteria dumbfuck
+--- 15409375
+>>15408851
+>bacteria responsible for carrying the desired gene
+Quote from OP to which i said we don't use bacteria.
+--- 15410577
+>>15408831
+Thanks, sounds interesting. I've also heard of the concept of biolistics (using "gene guns" to genetically modify organisms), would something like that be a more efficient method? By the way, what do you mean by "the copy number is undetermined"? Would inventing a method that quickly modifies every single cell in the body leaving little time for complications solve the issues you mentioned?

sci/15398217.txt

@@ -302,3 +302,291 @@ Polio literally means the: "the inflamation of the gray nerve matter"
 --- 15408525
 >>15405034
 >no longer fashionable i guess
+--- 15410073
+>>15398313
+--- 15410600
+>>15398217 (OP)
+yes. the phenomenon is called government.
+--- 15410603
+>>15405737
+these.
+--- 15411025
+>>15408525
+Whats the technical name for that procedure?
+--- 15411280
+>>15405737
+It should be admitted that it's suspicious how it appeared in the late 19th century and only in developed countries, and now it's supposedly extremely rare to show these severe symptoms.
+--- 15411306
+>>15411280
+>>15405737
+Polio virus don't real because of superficially similar damage described in the 18th century? The effort for that lie is almost impressive. Is this some kind of kool kids club I don't know about?
+--- 15411315
+>>15411306
+>Polio virus don't real because of superficially similar damage described in the 18th century
+
+No the polio virus is not real, because: 
+>there is no existing isolation of it which isolates a specific nanoscopic agent, which causes a specific neuro(motoric) disease
+This experiment or evidence does not exist. 
+
+What exists instead: 
+https://rupress.org/jem/article-pdf/51/5/777/1178818/777.pdf
+>get bunny
+>get corpse of person with neurological disease
+>get nerves
+>grind them up
+>put them in solution
+>inject solution directly in the testicles of rabbit
+>if rabbits get sick "poliomyelitis virus is proven"
+>but wierdly only testicle are swollen but none got sick with polio
+"The testicle of the fourth animal was injected into the 4th ventricle of a fifth. No symptoms occurred in the final animal or in any an|real of the
+series."
+>inject solution into the brain of a monkey
+>if monkey gets sick, its proof of "virus"
+>but monkey does not get sick
+>only slighlty irritated
+"An emulsion of the brain and cord of this animal injected intracerebrally into a monkey produced no
+symptoms. "
+
+>take three more monkey and directly inject solution in brain after drilling hole
+"Three of the animals, two of which died, showed other symptoms
+including spastic leg conditions, salivation, convulsions and postural abnormalities."
+>inject in another group
+"Two died without showing symptoms at 21 and 30 days."
+>must be the virus
+
+So the proof of "polio beeing a virus" is based on injecting rabbit testicles into monkey brains. 
+While during the same period in which polio "spiked", they sprayed down the people with DTT, Lead Arsenate and Paris Green to "delice" them, and prevent "insect pests". 
+Especcially children. 
+And Arsenic is also in Paris green. 
+So neurotoxins. 
+And DDT is also neurotoxic. 
+>webmrel here: 
+>>15403910
+And to say that this is not a coincidence: 
+They played the same shit in italy and the same pattern occured
+>picrel
+--- 15411335
+>>15411315
+>This experiment or evidence does not exist.
+The lack of effort in that lie is just fucking dumb.
+--- 15411349
+>>15411335
+then it might be easy for you to provide the experiment, in which they isolated the nanoscopic distinct and unique agent of cause. 
+Proved that it is the agent of cause, by creating the same exact disease in a new host, by transmitting the agent and only the agent, in the alleged pathway of transmission.
+--- 15411357
+>>15411315
+>then it might be easy for you to provide the experiment, in which they isolated the nanoscopic distinct and unique agent of cause.
+So do you just pretend electron microscopes don't exist, or... ?
+--- 15411365
+>>15411357
+Electron micrsoscopes produce images of highly altered cells. 
+And just because you see a image of contrasted dehydrated, stained cells, does not mean you know cause and effect. 
+I know what EM is. 
+And I know the EM requires highly altering steps to cells, which raise questions about the validity of what you see. 
+But even if everything is fine, it is still required, to take what you see, and prove causation. 
+
+Electron microscopy requires a few things:
+>contrast metals (so that the electron beams bounce of)
+>fixation (since EM is always creating a still image)
+>a heat resistant sample
+>a dehydrated sample
+
+EM works fine to look at dry, dead or inorganic matter, because the composition for example in minerals is self contrasting.
+But in Biological matter it requires extensive preparation.
+https://www.nature.com/articles/nprot.2007.304
+
+https://www.leica-microsystems.com/science-lab/brief-introduction-to-contrasting-for-em-sample-preparation/
+
+For example to observe the structure of liver tissue you have to prepare it in the following way(s):
+>dehydrate it (dry freezing is often used, sometimes with ethanol)
+>staining it (heavy metals or even radioactive metals are used here. Uranylacetate or lead citrate)
+>fixating it (often done with glutaraldehyde, paraffin, formaldehyde, osmium teroxide or epoxy resin)
+>slicing up a thin part of the sample (<= 1mm in thickness)
+
+And then you retrieve a image, which you have to interprete, and assume, that what you see is not just an product of cell altering. 
+And to prove that, you Isolate the particle in question, and conduct a experiment. 
+
+I know electron microscopy is nice, but it does not prove causality. 
+You require to optain the particle in question, which you allege all these beautiful attributes, such as: 
+>replication competence
+>causing a specific disease
+>and beeing the unique and only cause of the specific disease
+--- 15411369
+>>15411365
+>Electron micrsoscopes produce images of highly altered cells.
+You know it isn't 2007 anymore right? There's been a lot of developments and we've recorded video of cells being infected by viruses. Not dead cells or anything. Contrast material and so on has improved a lot too. We can even do single virus tracking now https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.chemrev.9b00692
+
+So I guess let me narrow my question. Do you just pretend electron microscopes stopped improving, or... ?
+--- 15411380
+>>15411335
+>The lack of effort in that lie is just fucking dumb.
+Surely you can provide the experiment or evidence then.
+--- 15411382
+>>15398318
+this. disease death rate inversely correlates with global CO2 production. 
+(((they))) want to switch away from fossil fuels to """save the planet""" when in reality CO2 is the thing keeping death rates so low. you can already see the start of this. pandemics used to happen all the time, the black death, loads of people died. we started burning coal and fossil fuels and there hadn't been a pandemic since. we start switching to green energy, guess what, covid-19. yeah sure "coincidence". remove your catalytic converter, pull out your fillings, eat red meat. i leave my car idling 24/7, it's the least i could to do help.
+--- 15411385
+>>15411380
+>Surely you can provide the experiment or evidence then.
+Yeah. If "seeing is believing" then look at any electron microscopy video of viral infections after 2011 in particular. Or methods on single virus tracking >>15411369
+--- 15411388
+>>15411385
+>there is no existing isolation of it which isolates a specific nanoscopic agent, which causes a specific neuro(motoric) disease
+your link does not provide any sort of evidence for the above
+--- 15411391
+>>15411369
+This is not an argument. 
+In the 1900-1960s they declared a polio pandemic. 
+Based on the science given at the time. 
+So provide the source of your knowledge that this is was accurate back then. 
+
+>Do you just pretend electron microscopes stopped improving, or... ?
+
+This does not matter. 
+You can have the most fancy meme Microscope in the world, if you cannot isolate the alleged particle you see, with what ever meme Technique you use, and prove via transmission, that this agent is the cause for a disease in a complex organism, then all you have is expensive images. 
+Which are only real images within the range of >= 3µ and are computer generated calculated imaged, based on laser scans. 
+
+Good for you that you enjoy this meme shit, which still is not proving causation, of the complex claim: 
+>a nanoscopic organism, with no metabolism
+>highjacks your body
+>and causes a highly specific disease
+--- 15411393
+>>15411388
+>your link does not provide any sort of evidence for the above
+It describes the methodology and related so you understand what you're seeing. Are you unable to find any of the many videos of live viruses infecting live cells? Do you believe viruses exist and usually do as described, but only specifically poliovirus does not do what it is purported to do? Knowing what level you're operating at would make it a lot easier.
+--- 15411398
+>>15411391
+>You can have the most fancy meme Microscope in the world, if you cannot isolate the alleged particle you see, with what ever meme Technique you use, and prove via transmission, that this agent is the cause for a disease in a complex organism, then all you have is expensive images.
+You can track a single virus infecting a cell. You can also take so many images so quickly that you can make videos from them too. How is that not what you want?
+--- 15411399
+>>15411388
+>>15411380
+Dude, this mongoloid retard just deflects. 
+>see here we have expensive ways of creating nice images
+>and it has virus written in it so it must contain virus
+>just like a box with "contains unicorn farts" must contain unicorn farts, why would they lie? 
+>if it's written on it it is true!!!
+--- 15411403
+>>15411393
+Viruses don't exist. There are no scientific proofs at all.
+--- 15411404
+>>15398217 (OP)
+what was in the needles anyway?
+--- 15411410
+>>15411306
+>>15411315
+It isn't that isn't real, but that it rarely ever does anything more than flu like symptoms.
+--- 15411411
+>>15411398
+>You can track a single virus infecting a cell. You can also take so many images so quickly that you can make videos from them too
+calculated computer generated and superimposed images and videos.
+
+Also they never show it, they always use either large bacteria or create extremly artificial examples with so called: "virus-like particles (VLPs)"
+Which are not viruses, but memes. 
+
+It's even noted in your source, that their claims are based on VLPs. 
+
+And still its not about a "in vitro, outlandish environment with antibiotics, stains and shit". 
+It's about the claim: 
+>in this world are non-alive nanoscopic replication competent particles
+>which hijack you and squirt their genes into you
+>and subsequently you get a specific disease
+>based on the specific nanoscopic replication competent particle
+>and thats why we have to kill all sorts of animals in farms, lock you down, inject you with crap 
+
+the claim: 
+>in this world are non-alive nanoscopic replication competent particles
+>which hijack you and squirt their genes into you 
+Has horrific implication and gives a scary amount of power to those protecting this claim. 
+
+So there must be a instance in which it has been shown that: 
+>in this world are non-alive nanoscopic replication competent particles
+>which hijack you and squirt their genes into you
+>so we isolated this particle from a sick host
+>so that we have only this particle and just this particle
+>and gave it to a new host, and cause the specific disease
+
+Unless this is not down, any "indirect" method of "see we got meme Pictures" is nothing but memes. 
+You can have a indirect proof, if you have proven it directly and verified, that the indirect proof shows the same information than the direct proof, so we verified that this surrugate method is valid. 
+
+So again : 
+>provide the experiment, in which they isolated the nanoscopic distinct and unique agent of cause, and verified it is the agent of cause
+--- 15411415
+>>15411411
+this kills the virus believer
+--- 15411417
+>>15411411
+>calculated computer generated and superimposed images and videos.
+If I take 3 pictures representing RGB and superimpose them, is the resulting picture not real to you even though it would be the same as taking a regular RGB picture? I don't understand what you think the problem is.
+>Unless this is not down, any "indirect" method of "see we got meme Pictures" is nothing but memes.
+We've video watching viruses infect cells. Videos are just frames, or individual pictures, too. Is the video of someone kicking a football not real merely because you're stitching frames together?
+--- 15411425
+>>15411417
+>provide the experiment, in which they isolated the nanoscopic distinct and unique agent of cause, and verified it is the agent of cause
+--- 15411429
+>>15411425
+>provide the experiment, in which they isolated the nanoscopic distinct and unique agent of cause, and verified it is the agent of cause
+SVT does that. You're continuing to claim it doesn't count for reasons that don't make sense, so I am asking why you're thinking about it like you are. What point is there providing experiments if your standard of what qualifies as an experiment isn't coherent? You'll just arbitrarily change standards and keep declaring victory. So please answer questions about why you reject SVT when you presumably don't reject regular photography or video >>15411417
+--- 15411430
+>>15411429
+>SVT does that.
+no.
+--- 15411433
+>>15411425
+I really began to doubt pretty much everything once once I learned that science is completely wrong on another topic, which is denied by a massive amount of evidence (that is it doesn't work in practice at all) has a much more reasonable solution, yet "the scientific consensus" is adamant that it is so.
+--- 15411436
+>>15411429
+Okay, how do you know that the presence of the cell-infecting particle that you're observing is the cause of symptoms?
+--- 15411442
+>>15411429
+>So please answer questions about why you reject SVT when you presumably don't reject regular photography or video
+
+Football exists in reality. 
+Players exist in reality. 
+Observed interaction of them in reality.
+Both can be isolated.
+If player kicks ball, ball moves. 
+
+Observed, and verified IRL. 
+See same shit in video. 
+Verified. 
+
+Also your meme microscopy is rarely ever used and in no circumstance, in which humans where then obligated and coerced into medical measures. 
+So it is irrelevant. 
+
+You deflect the simple demand to verify the causality of specific diseases in humans or animals by nanoscopic agents: 
+>provide the experiment of a diseases, in which they isolated the nanoscopic distinct and unique agent of cause, and verified it is the agent of cause, by isolating the agent, and inserting it in a new host and causing the same disease. 
+
+So please, go a head and show the experiment, that show that.
+--- 15411445
+>>15411429
+Also, you've said we're not in 2007 anymore. Are you suggesting that prior to 2007 viruses haven't been proved to exist?
+--- 15411449
+>>15398217 (OP)
+Yeah, the medical industrial complex is a very lucrative racket. 
+
+Just wait until you learn cancer has had many cheap cures for decades which have little or no negative "side" effects. Or that the science already proves an autism-vaccine link, and money has already been paid to damages including autism from vaccines in court; it's all political, and the dumb useful idiots who buy into the big pharma lies are fucking insane so they don't care about the truth.
+--- 15411467
+>>15403848
+Lol, yeah organic mercury compounds are typically worse. In this case, it doesn't matter, since ethylmercury in the body breaks down into inorganic mercury compounds with multi-month half-lifes which have similar effects to elemental mercury.
+
+It is clear you have no idea what you're talking about, which is why you keep dodging the point that thimerosal was never proven safe before it was injected into infants. You appear to have gotten a rather large dose.
+--- 15411489
+>>15411436
+>Okay, how do you know that the presence of the cell-infecting particle that you're observing is the cause of symptoms?
+If you didn't see something fall over how do you know it fell over? In principle the answers are the same.
+>>15411442
+>Observed, and verified IRL.
+So unless you personally see it with your own eyes without any instrumental aid, and independent of any other evidence like pictures or video, it doesn't exist?
+--- 15411492
+>>15411489
+>If you didn't see something fall over how do you know it fell over? In principle the answers are the same.
+the burden of proof is on you. is that your best argument? really? no scientific proofs?
+--- 15411494
+>>15403848
+>>15411467
+It's a complete lie. Mercury is essential, its deficiency makes people fat and gay. See Japan with obesity rates below Africa.
+--- 15411505
+>>15411489
+You keep deflecting. 
+Answer the question about the agent of cause of polio. Or any specific disease caused by a specific nanoscopic replication competent particle.

sci/15398230.txt

@@ -63,8 +63,6 @@ Please tell me there is a Pepe version of the pic on the right.
 There is. Unfortunately I didn't save it.
 --- 15402777
 >>15400917
---- 15403375
->>15399941
 --- 15404648
 >>15398230 (OP)
 None of the above
@@ -97,3 +95,19 @@ aka
 >>15407547
 https://youtu.be/_PIZOK1ODK4 [Embed]
 Diversity will help us right cancer!
+--- 15408928
+>>15408705
+the polcel version would be more realistic
+--- 15409465
+>>15406361
+Left one dies of desalination.
+Idiot.
+--- 15409477
+>>15406361
+--- 15409495
+>>15398234
+https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davisc0994/ai-art-fat-black-sci-fi-fantasy-characters
+--- 15409605
+obligatory
+--- 15410177
+Criminology is an overlooked science on this board

sci/15398489.txt

@@ -190,3 +190,40 @@ better off just castrate some autistic kids and sell them heaps of prescription
 >>15404807
 
 To make more trannies, so that eventually they won't be a vanishingly rare circus sideshow attraction anymore. The ideal is to slowly become the majority, any cult's goal.
+--- 15409679
+>>15404109
+--- 15409783
+>>15398767
+you arent having children. You arent going to ever get married as well.
+--- 15409817
+>>15409783
+>g-g-good I didn’t want them anyways!!
+Trannies, cross-dressers and attentionwhore fags should all be baked on 375 for 25-30 days so they can’t reproduce (by molesting children ofc)
+--- 15409836
+Trans are hated by almost every ethnic and racial group, therefore it is the ultimate attraction for victim mentality types. They absorb it and make it part of their personality so they can be clinically oppressed. That’s why they are insufferable and that’s why I know for a 100% fact they are mentally ill.
+Gender dysphoria is a mental illness.
+--- 15409898
+>>15400530
+According to most recent political polling from the 2020s, democrats now support the military, the police, corporations, and mainstream media more than republicans. Basically, anyone who questions the US media establishment, the US political establishment, US foreign policy, or the American legal and criminal justice system is considered an anti-government 'conspiracy theorist'. 
+
+Jan 6th, COVID, and the Putler's invasion basically destroyed any last shred of anti-establishment, anti-corporate, or anti-government sentiment amongst the woke neoliberal left. These sorts of anti-establishment sentiments still remain pretty common amongst members of the far left (e.g. Jimmy Dore, Briahna Joy Grey, Glenn Greenwald, etc.), but the dems currently view any opposition to the establishment as unacceptable. After all, if right wing terrorism and conspiracy theories have become rampant, and we need new disinformation laws, more domestic surveillance, and a massive increase military and police funding in order to combat anti-vaxxers, the far-right, and Vladimir, then that sort of conflicts with the goals of reforming and defunding the police, or bringing home the troops. Given the choice, it's pretty clear that spying on anti-vaxxers, transphobes, and other so-called "domestic terrorists" is more important to the pro-censorship neolibs than any sort of police reform. Pic related. 
+
+That being said, while I suspect you're a typical woke neoliberal, I actually completely agree with your suggestions. Keep you kids away from church, keep your kids away from cops, keep your kids away from trannies. Teach your kids to distrust the media, the government and corporations. Teach your kids to reject pop culture and public opinion. Teach your kids to ignore fads and trends. Teach your kids to value science, math, philosophy, art, and music. Teach your kids to enjoy the outdoors. Teach your kids that both democrats and republicans a low IQ soulless normies.
+--- 15409920
+>>15398489 (OP)
+https://www.bitchute.com/video/S4ssssjVhAyo/
+--- 15409921
+>>15409898
+If you look at all the polls, neolib centrists are consistently the biggest cucks in the world. 
+
+Both the "far-right" ("MAGA republicans") and the far-left ("Bernie Bros") are far more reasonable when it comes to issues concerning tech corporations, the media, the police, the military, censorship, and any other controversial issues.
+--- 15409933
+>>15409921
+>>15409898
+And you will note that democrats are actually growing MORE supportive of corporations, bankers, big tech companies, while conservatives are becoming less supportive of these institutions. 
+
+Neolib democrats will do everything in their power to bow down at the feet of billionaires, corporations, and the government. Their entire ideology is centered around worshiping elites.
+--- 15409990
+OP, you seem to be drawing the conclusion that trannies are fake when all you have done is present evidence which strongly suggests that 87% of trannyism is fake. This implies that trannyism may be up to 13% real. From this I can conclude that, despite being less than 13% of the trans-identifying population, trans "people" account for over 100% of all mass shootings in april 2023
+--- 15411008
+>>15409933

sci/15399389.txt

@@ -273,3 +273,89 @@ You forgot to mention it is the shit-skin males that "woke' women sleep with tha
 --- 15408725
 >>15408172
 You must be sooo mad that HAART works lol
+--- 15408963
+>>15400779
+What's wrong with abstinence?, degenerate
+--- 15408968
+>>15402861
+Based, go to church.
+>>15399389 (OP)
+You have to obey God's commandments or you get ugly results.
+--- 15408969
+>>15408324
+If you only knew of God's grace.
+--- 15408972
+>>15399529
+How to know if a wife is clean? Women lie all the time. Also they hate washing their pussies
+--- 15409405
+>>15408972
+Bro you'll here them talk about how it's "self-cleaning" like bitch no. WASH IT, outside at least
+--- 15409408
+>>15400121
+reminded me the story how Gavin McInnes gave himself an STD
+--- 15409759
+>>15399389 (OP)
+It's HPV, it has a vaccine. You should get it if you like going with prostitutes or have casual sex. Brits and burguers are fucking stupid.
+--- 15409778
+>>15409759
+vaccines only protect against a few strains that have been linked to ovarian cancer, there are no vaccines that target the strains causing throat or penile caner.
+--- 15409787
+>>15399420
+>This is why I don't eat pussy.
+does eating pussy cause HPV?
+--- 15409792
+>>15409405
+I ate an unwashed pussy once. Almost fucking puked on it, fucking gross rotten fish smell.
+--- 15409857
+>>15409778
+The majority of HPV positive oropharyngeal cancers are caused by 16 and 18. These strains, among others, are covered by the first generation as well as the nine-valent gardasil
+--- 15409860
+>>15409857
+Sounds like people shouldn't be fucking whores then, I guess.
+--- 15409864
+>>15409860
+?
+--- 15409870
+>>15409864
+Don't fuck whores, don't get HPV. Simple.
+--- 15409874
+>>15409870
+Sure. Nevertheless, risk is reduced further by vaccination
+--- 15409876
+>>15409874
+You can't reduce your risk lower than 0.
+--- 15409879
+>>15409792
+When my female hadn't had a bath for 3 days I ripped off her clothes and as the stank hit me my dick was diamonds. Faggot
+--- 15409882
+>>15409876
+So you’re practicing celibacy?
+--- 15409886
+>>15409882
+You're not required by law to sleep with HPV-carrying sluts.
+--- 15410011
+Eating pussy increases your risk of throat cancer much more than sucking dicks. That's okay though cuz only faggots eat pussy. It's a submissive, feminine act and girls don't respect men that do it, even though it feels good. 
+
+>inb4 actually um I'm in control when I eat pussy because I can make her feel things
+
+Yeah, same way you're in control when you're on your knees with a cock in your throat lol
+--- 15410022
+>>15410011
+Right, this is why I only suck dicks. It’s for health reasons
+--- 15410875
+>>15399389 (OP)
+humans are having too much sex and being nasty and not washing and causing new mutations; that can now even give cancer if they find a way to connect to your enzymes or plasma.
+--- 15411298
+>>15409792
+enjoy ur cancer
+--- 15411305
+>>15410011
+Are you jamaican by chance
+--- 15411401
+>>15409857
+There are dozens of strains of HPV. What appears to be happening is that the community rates of 16, 18, and the strains in the vaccine responsible for warts have gone down, but the niche has been filled by other strains, including several which cause cancer.
+Ironically, the strains causing warts may have been helping prevent cancer by outcompeting strains that do.
+--- 15411424
+>>15409792
+>>15409879
+there a difference in smell depending on her diet and overall health. smokers, fast food eaters, fatties, etc smell the worst. a healthy gym bunny smells and tastes great after a workout, no shower needed.

sci/15399706.txt

@@ -337,3 +337,30 @@ toasty roastie tier posty
 --- 15408787
 >>15404163
 my mother was a computer programmer for over 25 years and still uses controllers like she uses a keyboard, laying them on the table then "typing" the buttons.
+--- 15409170
+>>15399706 (OP)
+imagine being this lil nigga and the utter confusion when your friends talk about how hot your sister is.
+Or worse, he's not confused at all.
+--- 15409417
+>>15408264
+>any random girl like her
+She's not a "random girl", she looks like Bella Delphine with an Asian face filter. She's definitely lots of people's fetish and she would be stupid not to take advantage of it.
+--- 15409438
+>>15399706 (OP)
+Here are the REAL learning tiers:
+
+> 1. Learning by doing
+>...
+> 44. Studying The Textbook
+> ...
+> 10894. Paying attention to lecture
+--- 15409542
+>>15399706 (OP)
+no lol
+I'm a free man now and I still study, without being forced to study a topic through command rather than desire.
+--- 15411151
+>>15409438
+Lectures tell you what parts of the textbook are important.
+--- 15411171
+>>15399706 (OP)
+bwc

sci/15399739.txt

@@ -114,3 +114,12 @@ So how did my phimosis surgery go doc and why can't I feel my balls?
 --- 15408921
 >>15406376
 Out of a eugenics standpoint, you should not intervene. The quality of the gene pool increases if people prone to these illnesses to not reproduce.
+--- 15410239
+>>15408921
+Faggots reproduce via child molestation, allowing them to live allows them to reproduce even it if isn't biologically
+--- 15411059
+>>15399739 (OP)
+Skeletal contouring is an Asian specialty 
+This advertisement was running during the grand sumo tournaments about 6 years ago, it became a popular meme with sumo fans
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nm5EhBSdr0 [Embed]
+Dr Takasu's Dubai clinic is where you want to get your treatment, if you're an insane autogynphiliac

sci/15400307.txt

@@ -221,3 +221,45 @@ If plants are not conscious, why can they be controlled?
 --- 15408846
 >>15404981
 Are you stupid? Even with todays technology dogs are used for work everywhere, unlike horses and most traction animals.
+--- 15408973
+>>15400428
+>I am not aware
+kek
+--- 15410020
+>>15408829
+they don't, you're just projecting your own human thoughts and emotions onto dumb animals
+--- 15411047
+>>15408846
+Horses are still a necessary tool for wildland cattle drives, they're still useful pack animals too
+--- 15411054
+My father-in-law has a very stupid and misbehaving dog. The dog is barking, begging at the table, making my pants dirty with its wet nose. What can I do to teach the dog to shut up and stay in its corner?
+--- 15411476
+Dogs are not conscious simply because there is no such thing as "consciousness" in the first place. I am not "conscious", neither are you. Those "hard problems" are made up out of human ignorance, dogma and desire to feel exceptional (when funnily enough there's no such thing as "desire" either)
+--- 15411483
+>>15408846
+True
+
+>pitbulls give work to doctors
+>German shepards let police illegally search cars
+>Dogs shit everywhere, giving more work to the sanitation department
+
+truly dog's create lots of work for humanity.
+--- 15411496
+>>15408837
+>If wind is not conscious, why does it make sound?
+Wind is sound, wind does not produce sound. 
+>Proof that it perceives?
+Dogs have abillity to train which requires perception
+>If plants are not conscious, why can they be controlled
+Phisycal control and mental conditionig are not same thing.
+--- 15411500
+>>15408973
+I did not say i am not aware i am just telling you i do not thing of awernes the same way you do.
+For example, when we speak of force of gravit you might think of it as a entity or a thing, i think of it as an interaction between objects. This is very big difference. Yet i do not claim it does not existy just that it is not the way people think of it.
+--- 15411519
+>>15400307 (OP)
+Proof that OP doesn't have consciousness:
+Mistakes cultural differences between species as "lacking consciousness"
+Doesn't recognize consciouness expressed by different intelligences
+Mental gymnastics to justify delusions of superiority
+Probably a nigger

sci/15400900.txt

@@ -66,3 +66,6 @@ We could always perceive a curvature as 'straight'. But yeah, I agree. That and
 --- 15408840
 >>15400900 (OP)
 >concave earth
+--- 15410350
+>>15400900 (OP)
+In the non-rotating case, if the concave Earth were a spherical symmetric shell then gravity on its internal surface will be conspicuously absent (Shell theorem). Otherwise gravity will be easily demonstrably non-homogenous across points on the internal surface. For surface gravity to be homogenous (to first order), the concave Earth has to be rotating at the very least, but this means that ballistic trajectories deviate from conic section paths.

sci/15401807.txt

@@ -260,3 +260,57 @@ that study showed large age gaps
 --- 15408574
 When you outbreed you introduce potentially disruptive genetics not compatible with your environment
 This is potentially lethal
+--- 15410917
+>>15401807 (OP)
+How many prominent scientists married their cousin? Einstein, Darwin, any others of note?
+--- 15410934
+>>15405723
+worked for breeding domesticated crops and animals
+suddenly doesn't work on people?
+I guess genetics stop at the neck right?
+--- 15411098
+>>15408494
+stop making shit up
+--- 15411114
+>>15411098
+Anon, I read at least twenty papers about the roman administrated censuses of 1st and 2nd century which whowed the practice egyptian sibling marriage to be as much as 20% or more in some regions, primarily urban. one of them examined the age gaps of the couples finding most to be larger than average. Another paper tried to argue that this was all just the practice of adopting a cjild into the family to then marry an actual child. A subsequent paper responding to that one examined the pattern of inherited names as there was a custom of giving a grandchild the same name as a grandparent they concluded that given the frequencies of the name patterns that these marriages were almoist certainly between real siblings.
+--- 15411128
+>>15411114
+how many of them between older sister / younger brother?
+--- 15411186
+>>15411128
+I do not remember, maybe you could look it up yourself i found them using related papers and references?
+I think thhe japanese had some custom about unwed women being taken in by their younger brother but that could be misremembered.
+--- 15411187
+He married his first cousin because he was intelligent, not in spite of it. Cousin marriage is not incest, it's normal. Add that one to the list of weird shit Americans get up in arms about.
+--- 15411191
+>>15407180
+>Uhhhh yeah, whites are the most inbred race there is, which is why they are the dominant and smartest race.
+the 'smartest race' is killing itself off through its own incompetence.
+--- 15411196
+>>15411191
+No they're being destroyed by a hyper ethnocentric parasite that practices extensive endogamy.
+ethnocentric preference is the strongest survival mechanism, if you are indoctrinted to believe it to be bad and the original unifiers like religion are sabotaged then things go wrong.
+--- 15411206
+>>15411196
+sure bro all the white women are being mind-controlled by le jews and it is completely beyond their control, they're simply compelled to murder their own children and fuck tyrone
+--- 15411227
+>>15411206
+If you say so rabbi.
+--- 15411230
+>>15411227
+>everyone who tells me to take responsibility for anything is a kike
+actual child worldview
+--- 15411272
+>>15411230
+No it's quite an advanced world view that took me aboout 10 years of reading to come to.
+--- 15411341
+>>15405706
+https://youtu.be/BEV2SAL8z5g [Embed]
+--- 15411384
+>>15411341
+>57 minutes
+in your own words describe their argument.
+--- 15411400
+>>15402483
+tell me about this image. i want to know

sci/15402123.txt

@@ -347,3 +347,34 @@ If you disagree with this then you are claiming you can't use language to descri
 Both paragraphs suffer from epistemological issues.
 The first part (physics is trying to understand truths etc) is too vague
 and the second is a slight of hand. People write down "laws" and when they fail, they write down different "laws". There's no laws that are so established that breaking them in unthinkable.
+--- 15409776
+>>15402123 (OP)
+String theory is jewish nonsense that can safely be ignored.
+Dark matter is probably just measurement error.
+--- 15409790
+>>15409776
+Accurate.
+--- 15410975
+>>15408866
+
+>you have atheists who claim that immaterial math formulas they themselves invented run the material universe every millisecond across billions of light years, since 13 billions years ago LOL. how is this not retarded.
+Those people aren't atheists, they think they're god. Atheism and narcissism are tightly linked. 
+"There is no god" and "there is nobody with a greater understanding of the universe than myself" are essentially the same idea
+--- 15410993
+>>15409776
+Dark matter is probably particles falling into a black hole stretched into galaxy sized wavelwngths.
+--- 15411164
+>>15410993
+How would that increase mass?
+--- 15411352
+>>15405773
+you can see it in this very thread, people bend over backwards to express that he just doesn't know what he's saying so he doesn't even know how to be pro science correctly.
+--- 15411361
+https://youtu.be/eJK1gLHbOxA?t=1136 [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/52dVfhgt_T4?t=694 [Embed]
+--- 15411456
+>>15402355
+>The jealous peer review crab bucket isn't going to see it because I already know what the inevitable results of attempting that will be and I don't want to sabotage my academic career that way
+What you're saying is that there was no rigour in your experiments? That's fine. However, you should have no difficulty is selling your solution for a very obvious problem. Farmers will be queuing for your inventions.
+
+Otherwise, I call bullshit on you already.

sci/15403457.txt

@@ -329,3 +329,68 @@ For me philosophy wasn't part of my degree and I'm very glad it wasn't. I have a
 
 >>15408222
 Where did I mischaracterize it? The poster I replied to demanded a very short summary so I focused on the core feature + criticizing it. The remaining contents of CTMU like 3xM, infocognitive monism, conspansion, syndiffeonic unisections etc wouldn't fit into a single 4channel post anymore (though they could be described and criticized each in posts of similar length).
+--- 15409258
+>>15408570
+>Where did I mischaracterize it?
+You stated that Langan "claims a computational mechanism" behind the CTMU. That's false. You stated that the CTMU denies "the role of free will". That's false. You stated that there are "cases where his model is not applicable". That's false.
+--- 15409276
+It's actually Chris typing in this thread isn't it?
+--- 15409318
+>>15409258
+>You stated that Langan "claims a computational mechanism" behind the CTMU. That's false. 
+CTMU is a computational model. Langan is describing SCSPL as some kind of formal automaton analogous to a Turing machine.
+
+>You stated that the CTMU denies "the role of free will". That's false. 
+Langan mentions self-determinacy. Unfortunately he denies the possibility of self-determinacy being acausal. By insisting in a dubious generalized utility function he takes away the freedom from telic recursion and cucks it into a deterministic process. If you read his cringy paper on QM posted ITT you also know that he ridicules the fundamental role of consciousness in QM and instead degrades the telor from a conscious creator of reality to merely a deterministic half of reality's SCSPL. 
+
+>You stated that there are "cases where his model is not applicable". That's false.
+Several examples of uncomputable phenomena not accounted for in CTMU have been named ITT. I will not repeat them. If you continue to ignore or deny them I'll take this as your declaration of defeat.
+--- 15409339
+>>15409276
+he is old now and has a lot of time
+--- 15409353
+>>15409318
+>CTMU is a computational model.
+Quote directly from Langan:
+The CTMU follows from the fact that any comprehensive description of nature must account for the generation of computational syntax along with mere syntactic content, and must thus portray nature as telic and protocomputational rather than merely computational in essence. Nature has the capacity to self-generate and regenerate, whereas computational automata and even computation theory do not. This militates against the notion that nature is fully analogous to standard computation theory.
+>he denies the possibility of self-determinacy being acausal.
+That's because self-determinacy literally means self-causality. Saying a system is completely self-determined, then saying it's also "acausal" is gibberish and is to say that X = not-X.
+--- 15409396
+His style reminds me of Habermas. Of course Habermas is so much clearer and coherent (and his writings actually have scientific value and content).
+But the style is superficially similar.
+--- 15409540
+>>15409353
+Unfortunately Langan avoids telling us what this "protocomputational" model is supposed to be or do. In order to make sense it must be more powerful than a classical computational model, i.e. must encompass something uncomputational/hyperturing. Langan however is too much of a coward to be concise and precise, hiding behind intentional vagueness. One can only speculate that the uncomputable element of protocomputing may be free will, in which case I'd agree. 
+
+>"acausal" is gibberish
+Langan accepts acausal as a meaningful adjective in the case of randomness. If he was consistent he should also accept it for self-determinacy, giving credit to the fact that self-determinacy just like randomness can happen independently of external causes.
+--- 15409587
+Listen up, brother! CTMU is like the ultimate smackdown of philosophy and science! It's a theory that says the universe is like a giant mind, and everything in it is connected in a way that's way beyond our puny human brains. It's got stuff about self-reference and recursion, and it's so powerful that it makes other theories tap out! It's like the Hulkamania of ideas, brother! CTMU is the champion of the universe, and it's gonna slam down all the haters and skeptics, dude! Whatcha gonna do when CTMU runs wild on you?
+Oh yeah, brother! The CTMU is like a championship belt for the universe! It's got this idea called "univalent recursion", which is like the ultimate finishing move for all other theories! It's like the atomic leg drop, brother! It's got the idea of "self-transcendence", which is like reaching the top rope and flying off with a perfect elbow drop! It's got the "Principle of Invariance", which is like the ultimate submission hold that locks down reality and makes it tap out! And let me tell you, brother, when you combine all of these ideas, you get a theory that's so powerful, it can't be beat! The CTMU is the champion of the universe, and it's gonna take on all challengers! Whatcha gonna do when the CTMU runs wild on you? Oh yeah!
+--- 15409752
+>>15409540
+You stated that Langan "claims a computational mechanism behind" the CTMU. I immediately disproved this by introducing you to the CTMU concept of protocomputation, which can be found simply by searching for the word "computation" in the paper. After having made this mistake, instead of admitting to it or asking for more clarification, you somehow still believe yourself knowledgeable enough about the CTMU to make the following statement in regards to protocomputation (a concept which you did not know existed before I introduced it to you): "Langan avoids telling us what this 'protocomputational' model is supposed to be or do". You then rattle off the ad hominem epithet "coward" against its author. This behavior precludes me from spoonfeeding you any more information about this concept.
+>self-determinacy just like randomness can happen independently of external causes.
+This statement is explicitly given credence in the following remark from Langan's book, "The Art of Knowing": 
+>Aren’t we ignoring the possibility that the universe is simply 'random', i.e. uncaused? Not really, for externally speaking, that’s exactly what it is! In deducing that the universe is unaffected by external causality, we find that it is externally acausal or “random” in that specific sense of the term.
+
+It's more than evident that you are not familiar enough with Langan's work to make authoritative statements regarding its objective content. In order to merit a serious response, you will need to edit any further such statements in one or more of the following ways: (a) make them only in tandem with a direct quote from Langan, (b) drop any semblance of authority by prefacing them with qualifiers like "I think" or "it appears", (c) rephrase them in the form of questions.
+--- 15410194
+>>15409752
+Don't act offended, Chris. Your language is equally provocative, at least in that QM paper. The basis for my posts is the original CTMU paper which I read 3 or 4 years ago. The word "protocomputation" appears thrice in that paper but without a definition or any useful hint to its meaning. It's merely used as a vague buzzword leaving room for a huge variety of interpretations. I'm not gonna pay for your book. If you give me a free copy I might add it to my reading list though. Else you'll have to defend yourself ITT by revealing your position regarding the nature of "protocomputation" and the role of free will in it. 
+
+The quote about randomness only confirms what I said. If randomness can be acausal in the sense of lacking external cause, then acausal is an equally valid description of (at least some) expressions of free will.
+--- 15410208
+>>15403457 (OP)
+>Can anyone explain it to me in layman's terms so I could understand it?
+It's solipsism: an untestable idea which doesn't fascinate me at all.
+--- 15410212
+>>15410208
+>It's solipsism
+Langan is the psyop of TheSolipsist from Daisy's destruction too. That's why there's always a Langan thread or three.
+--- 15410925
+>>15409587
+reddit tier
+--- 15410937
+>>15410925
+that post is obviously AI-generated because none of the shit in quotes refers to actual CTMU concepts

sci/15403583.txt

@@ -102,3 +102,7 @@ I struggle to see how without replicating completely the human mechanism from th
 >>15407630
 >See the SJW movement for scientific proof on how completely you can control someone and use them against themselves.
 the irony is that you are 100 times more controlled than any SJW
+--- 15411475
+>>15408876
+>I struggle to see how without replicating completely the human mechanism from the ground up, How AGI will be guided by beauty in the same way classical composers, novelists and pure mathematicians do?
+by replicating the human mechanism from the ground up

sci/15403759.txt

@@ -101,3 +101,18 @@ In Japan, at the end of the year, a bell is chimed 108 times in Buddhist temples
 >>15403941
 >>15407696
 braindead niggers
+--- 15408997
+>>15407839
+interesting thanks
+--- 15409017
+When you were a kid, did you ever know a kid a few grades up, like your friend's big brother, who you were drawn to and looked up to? Yeah it's like that, everything in the universe, living and nonliving, likes bigger things than them. Sorry small dicks. Moon hangs out with earth because earth is its big brother (onii-chan!) and the sun is like Earth's mommy (OKAASAN, IKUUUUUUUUUU!!!~~~~)
+--- 15409121
+>>15403759 (OP)
+Earth is flat and stationary with a dome. This is what is causing it.
+--- 15409479
+>>15403759 (OP)
+God damn you for posting this again!
+The numbers are not exact, they are off, there is no perfect correlation, your buddhistic attachment is based off of error in percentages. Stop posting this, you're like the solar eclipse guy about how it's perfect timing or something for the moon to be in place in perfect line up with the sun but the percentages are still off, there's no 100%, it isn't perfectly 108 repeated, just close estimates that rocket scientists would shun and kick like dogs. Send your rocket 108 moons away and it will miss the Earth.
+--- 15409486
+>>15407696
+wow so shocking! im so shocked. this is just so shocking and im so shocked that OP would be stupid.

sci/15404526.txt

@@ -229,3 +229,29 @@ Still waiting for the paper on dark matter being debunked. The thread went very
 --- 15408560
 >>15408553
 People have spent the last 40 years studying dark matter altertives, there are no viable models today. MOND gets attention because it was early, and so proponents can claim it predicted lots of things. But it falls apart on larger scales. It cannot match things like clusters and the comic microwave background, which cold dark matter predicted with great success. In order for there to be a change there needs to be a serious contender, which there isn't. Nothing approaches the simplicity and predictive power of cold ark matter. And the best "alternatives" literally just replace invisible dark matter, with invisible fields.
+--- 15409654
+>>15408560
+So now that it's been totally debunked, will they just become dark matter agnostics?
+--- 15410083
+>>15409654
+Still waiting for this epic debunking paper. Post it.
+--- 15410085
+>>15410083
+It's already been posted. What is your next step? Agnosticism?
+--- 15410106
+>>15404927
+>The mathematics of general relativity is completely self-consistent and predicts a whole plethora of phenomena with remarkable accuracy.
+It's still wrong though.
+
+Now predict quantum interactions.
+--- 15410109
+>>15410085
+Perhaps you can link to the post, I only see one link and it's not about DM.
+>Agnosticism?
+Can't discuss the implications without seeing the actual paper.
+--- 15410119
+>>15410109
+>Can't discuss the implications without seeing the actual paper.
+Give me your best guess then. What would you believe next?
+--- 15410537
+Eh...

sci/15404842.txt

@@ -154,3 +154,18 @@ Don't post files you doofus, they automatically download and run and it could be
 --- 15407851
 >>15407671
 Judging by the way there's a connection error literally every time I post that PDF, probably 50 out of 50 times, even when posting several different versions of it that cannot possibly share any sort of file corruption, I'd say you are 100% exactly right. That's not going to stop me from posting it, however.
+--- 15409048
+>>15404842 (OP)
+>is string theory detrimental to modern theoretical physics?
+Yes. It is a drain on limited funding resources and possibly also human resources.
+>i've heard things along the lines of it just being a mathematical framework with no empirical basis but i was wondering if anyone knew the details of it
+There are too many knobs and dials on the model that it can fit into any measurement result, and they do that, but ONLY after a measurement is presented. There is ZERO predictive power. For that reason it is not real science. Not surprisingly they demand an exception from the scientific model based on a preceived "elegance" of the model.
+--- 15409072
+>>15409048
+>>15407000
+--- 15409509
+>>15404842 (OP)
+>27:15 - 28:10
+lmao I love her
+--- 15409516
+I found her a few months ago, so I'm glad /sci/ is finally giving her the recognition she deserves as a science youtuber.