Wed Apr 19 09:18:58 UTC 2023

lit/21888646.txt

@@ -1279,3 +1279,28 @@ Greek meter is quantitative. Eeeta is not quantitatively different from ayyy(lma
 --- 21926850
 >>21919194
 The Lucian pronunciation.
+--- 21927700
+is every r in latin rolled?
+--- 21927821
+>>21927700
+in the classical period IIRC yes, though I think some have raised doubts about whether it was always trilled or maybe sometimes tapped or some close variation
+--- 21927974
+>>21927821
+I can't roll R's to save my life. Will conversing with my Mexican gf and having her teach me it through Spanish help?
+--- 21928040
+>>21927974
+>I can't roll R's to save my life
+To be honest, the moment I stopped trying was the moment I was able to do it. Basically most people fail because they try to intentionally move their tongue in a rolling fashion and people who make videos explaining this don't do a good job. What's actually going on is that your tongue is loose and you aren't trying to do anything with it at all. You are just blowing air past it and it flaps like a flag in the wind. Think of the flapping sound the flag makes, that's a rolled R. Try more air and less control of the tongue and it will roll on its own.
+--- 21928710
+>>21928040
+I finally started getting it after realizing this. Every person that tried explaining it to me focused way too much on the tongue touching the ridge of the teeth and how I'm not supposed to move it intentionally at the same time but never said anything about the simple fact that it's pretty much just blowing out air while leaving one's tongue relaxed.
+--- 21928885
+>>21921748
+Thank you anon. That was aptly put. I can see a clear subject focus (deduction) vs. object focus (induction) dichotomy here too thanks to your explanation. Greatly appreciate your take!
+--- 21929592
+>>21928710
+>I finally started getting it after realizing this. Every person that tried explaining it to me focused way too much on the tongue touching the ridge of the teeth and how I'm not supposed to move it intentionally at the same time but never said anything about the simple fact that it's pretty much just blowing out air while leaving one's tongue relaxed.
+YouTube pronunciation videos can be frustratingly over complicated for absolutely no reason. I try to imagine how I would explain my own language's pronunciation based on the position of the tongue or teeth and it seems like something that would be easy to fuck up unless I had studied some linguistics and phonology. And even then, all that technical knowledge is basically useless if you can't break it down for the layman.
+--- 21930049
+>>21889312
+What a retarded post

lit/21895736.txt

@@ -557,3 +557,77 @@ this brings me back
 --- 21926852
 >>21918906
 This reminds me of the duck in M&D, down to Mondaugen's Law
+--- 21927663
+>>21922728
+It's the Division Bell
+--- 21928070
+>>21923439
+Don't compare this book to NGE, anime is trash
+Also, NGE would be Gravity's Rainbow - the book, since GR came before
+--- 21928079
+>>21928070
+>he doesn't know
+--- 21928101
+>>21928079
+>he doesn't know
+>muh esoteric meme
+Go fuck yourself
+--- 21928118
+>>21923439
+nge is a simple story
+--- 21928462
+>>21895736 (OP)
+
+Where in the book did Katjie get raped?
+--- 21928542
+>>21928462
+Isn't that her entire arc
+--- 21928548
+>>21928462
+When she was undercover. Except it wasn't in a castle, it was in a shack on Luneberg Heath.
+--- 21928868
+>>21920980
+>by bringing up the fucking bananas.
+Hahaha I feel called out. This was me after trying to read GR two times, both times getting filtered and dropping the book, shitposting on /lit/ how the book sucks, in a detached, ironic way. I would attach a pic of Pynchon and write something like
+>zoinkers bananas i'm so randumb xDDDDD
+and watch the replies flow in. It was a simpler time 5 years ago. 
+
+But I'm glad I'm nearing the end of the book this time. It's so good. It's the reason I started this thread lol
+--- 21929316
+>>21928868
+Well at least you've become a slightly less awful person over the last five years. Probably not though.
+--- 21929333
+>>21929316
+I'd like to believe so, but that's for other people up to decide.
+--- 21929625
+>>21895736 (OP)
+>Crying Lot & GR
+Then wash your hands of it.
+
+>>21919240
+>Updike
+Updike rehashed BABBIT repeatedly and is a former incarnation of Franzen. A non-entity for ngmis
+
+>Gass
+Amusing, playful, little else. "Poetry is impossible after Auschwitz." (for a German), but comedy is on the table until the end of days. 
+
+>>21922514
+ATD is the SubPrime of novels and anyone stanning the garbage printed after it is immediately suspect. 
+
+>>21922951
+It's the Redditor's Sotweed factor and a completely puerile shitshow in inconsistently period period prose. 
+
+>>21924700
+>or the Animals fans of Pink Floyd.
+Smile was apt but this is calumny
+--- 21930032
+>>21929625
+ur a faget
+--- 21930296
+>>21929625
+Redpill me on the Sotweed Factory
+--- 21930327
+>>21930296
+>"In fact, just recently Pynchon was kind enough to send me an inscribed copy. He wrote: 'To John Barth: Been there, done that.'"
+
+https://hub.jhu.edu/magazine/2015/spring/john-barth/

lit/21902612.txt

@@ -742,3 +742,70 @@ kek
 --- 21927314
 >>21902612 (OP)
 He was not what the post-'45 liberal hegemony needed. It's like the story of Plotinus who was practically completely forgotten until the late 18th, early 19th century when german idealists rediscovered him as a predecessor of sorts, thinkers are popular because their ideas are popular at a given time and in a particular milieu, not because of their ideas in themselves.
+--- 21927511
+>>21903111
+he is just a puppet playing his part in the illusion of choice berween two tightly correlated neoliberal entities larping as a democracy
+--- 21928591
+>>21912644
+This reads like a reddit post lol
+--- 21928620
+>>21902717
+This encapsulates every lit non-fiction discussion ever had. I swear I've seen these exact words written 100 times by various litizens. Always the trannies, always the faustian man, always the nihilism and social progress. I appreciate your knack for prose but this is highly unoriginal and nothing more than a wikipedia summary of other posts here. Lurk moar, essentially.
+--- 21928654
+>>21902616
+Is that you "niggerkiller"? https://twitter.com/artyfender?s=20
+--- 21928664
+>>21913460
+Do it anon, don't let your dreams be dreams
+--- 21928691
+>>21928620
+Doesn't make it any less true
+--- 21928718
+>>21902717
+Progress is definitely happening though. It's just that it ascends contained civilizations.
+--- 21928756
+>>21928620
+its the spirit of the age... of course its recurring
+--- 21928770
+>>21928620
+It's chan culture they all eat out of the same bowl, any regular knew the gist before even getting a third of the way through it. It's funny how he points out heckin propaganda as if he himself hasn't been a victim of propaganda and rhetoric from this site.
+--- 21929086
+>>21922848
+Thomas777 is that you?
+--- 21929096
+>>21903111
+>The current SCOTUS disagrees.
+Did they ban abortion yet? Yeah, that's what I've thought. Faggot.
+--- 21929107
+>>21907072
+>Spengler does not want to understand the modern age, like most right wingers he has nothing but revulsion for it.
+Based?
+>Nuuu, you have to study troons and sheit!
+Fuck you, to the asylum, NOW!
+--- 21929116
+>>21928770
+You don't get it, /pol/ is telling the truth (((they))) don't want you to know about. It's not propaganda, it's just hidden knowledge suppressed by cultural marxist subverters. Just because we happen to share the same exact positions as Steve Bannon and the Russian government means nothing, we are free thinkers.
+--- 21929472
+>>21902612 (OP)
+He straightened a Slinky
+--- 21929642
+>>21918228
+Panagiotis Kondylis
+--- 21929649
+>>21912700
+Everything is ideologically based, retard.
+--- 21929694
+>>21902717
+>the west has fallen
+>billions must die
+--- 21929746
+>>21902612 (OP)
+He isn't forgotten. Decline of the West (translated as the Decline of Europe) was obligatory reading at several courses at my Russian university. 
+
+I don't think he is that perceptive. This genre was popular around the time and there are predecessors like Danilevsky. I think the Americans like Lothrop Stoddard made more sense and there's less metaphysical nonsense in their writings.
+--- 21929755
+>>21929107
+Interesting that you can roll the clock back 2000 years and it fits
+--- 21930791
+>>21929107
+Troons are related to feminism, feminism is related to the feeling of maternal care that Spengler says is important to the Faustian soul, everything is related and important.

lit/21907813.txt

@@ -309,3 +309,11 @@ Depends on what you’re reading him for (obviously too there are much better op
 If I'm reading eisegetic fictive garbage I'd rather read the Cartoon History of the Universe & Cartoon History of the Modern World.
 
 If I'm reading eisegetic cack I'd rather Hobsbawm shit his multi-volume collection—but I'd rather read _Feudal Society_ or Chris Hill's _Century_ or _The Mediterranean and the Mediterranean World in the Age of Philip II_
+--- 21928046
+Thought I'd bump this thread and ask if anyone has any recommendations for a good book on the Cristero War?
+--- 21929322
+>>21907813 (OP)
+What about archeology?
+--- 21929364
+>>21907820
+The Mind of the Middle Ages by Fredrick Binkerk Artz is a older, but still a great intellectual/cultural history.

lit/21908901.txt

@@ -769,3 +769,125 @@ Nuclear war won’t extinguish all life but it will extinguish a lot more than a
 
 >>21927004
 If life is a disease and malady then curing it would be a good thing
+--- 21927467
+>>21913659
+--- 21927480
+>>21927467
+>life is an horrific disease which it is just too much of a chore to end in and instant but not too much of a chore to spend hours and hours every day toiling to maintain
+--- 21927484
+>>21927480
+learn how to properly speak english before trying your hand at posting on a literature board
+--- 21927548
+>nihilist
+>Doesn't inmediately kill himself
+Opinion discarded. Keep crying in your moldy basement while I enjoy the magnificience of the universe
+--- 21928013
+I used to be an Antinatalist...
+Until I watched Mario Montano's video
+--- 21928094
+>>21928013
+How did he convert you to natalism?
+>inb4 he killed himself and that makes him automatically wrong
+--- 21928194
+>>21928094
+He taught me that consciousness is inevitable.
+Even if I kill myself, I'll just end up living on a different timeline
+--- 21928291
+>>21923997
+This image is so stupid. Yes this exist, but you can die of hunger in this place. This exist, but torture chambers exist too. Anyway, this is just stupid
+--- 21928308
+>>21926919
+>procreation genes takes huge effort and sacrifice
+wtf
+--- 21928353
+>>21911447
+But the upper bound of information transmission and storage in physics is many many many magnitudes larger than the way we have organically evolved. Computers can transmit electrical signals hundreds of times faster than the human brain. The hard part is just the software.
+--- 21928365
+Why are antinatalist such attention whores? Why should one care about their outlook on life? It feels as if their real goal is to drag everyone down to their miserable state
+--- 21928411
+>>21923997
+the demiurge memes are too damn funny.
+--- 21928419
+>>21928194
+No reason to believe that.
+--- 21928423
+>>21928353
+So let's assume that it's impossible to break the laws of physics. all you did is just make a super smart einstein. the AI can't just do magical things, there are limited resources it can't make those from scratch. it can't just terraforming earth into a utopia.
+--- 21928427
+>>21928423
+start terraforming*
+--- 21928448
+>>21908931
+jokes aside, this is the real answer
+it's just how our entire existence is oriented
+--- 21928471
+>>21928448
+i know thats not the point but,
+sex ≠ procreation
+--- 21928484
+>>21908931
+>>21928448
+"No"
+--- 21928855
+>>21910632
+Unironically study NDEs and realize that there actually is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die. And while the Bible and the Qu'ran convinces few people who do not already believe, the book in pic related is known to convince even hardened skeptics that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die. And there are scores of studies confirming that reading about or listening to NDEs lessens or removes the fear of death. And YouTube is filled with NDErs and their testimonies. Once you read and listen to NDEs enough, you will not only not fear death, but actually look forward to it with excitement.
+
+Here is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:
+
+https://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o [Embed]
+
+It emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out:
+
+https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist 
+
+>"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, "An afterlife definitely exists"."
+
+Since NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison.
+
+Or as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE:
+
+>"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved."
+
+Needless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs.
+--- 21929014
+if you could raise everyone's IQ two standard deviations the birth rate would almost hit zero world wide.
+some would still breed™ of course.
+--- 21929049
+>>21924199
+Kids that don't have cancer do, in fact, exist.
+--- 21929054
+>>21928855
+stale pasta
+--- 21929455
+>>21927467
+t bee honest
+--- 21930017
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XAKh8gwsb0 [Embed]
+--- 21930179
+>>21913650
+there's nothing wrong with it, same way there should be nothing wrong with a spiritual devote abstaining from all creature comforts and living in pure stoicism. the issue arises when you look at the type of person that is the common proponent of anti-natalism, very often an ultra-materialistic hedonist, and they are trying to convince us that denying our physical purpose, I'll elaborate:
+
+The problem is not in anti-natalism itself but the hypocritical philosophy of it's proponents. In fact, the absolute best critic of anti-natalism would be some kind of celibate monk type who has known a higher pleasure from understanding the world at a transcendent level, one that is not often achieved by the people wandering in the forest, frolicking and reproducing, with all their joys and sorrows. A person who reaches this level of transcendence could tell you there is more to life than indulging in creature comforts and reproduction, but instead we're hearing it from the most hedonistic, self-indulgent, decadent and pretentious midwits. They are smugly denying themselves simpler joys, having been enveloped by the modern societal display of wealth and status behavior that has subsumed our animalistic quest for signaling our worth for reproduction. They will need to continually feed an increasingly desperate need for stimulus and distraction from their natural urges, more consumerism, more materialism, more degeneracy, all to avoid introspection into what they really are and can never escape. In the end, they should just be pitied, our entire existence, our senses and our thoughts came into being for the purpose of reproduction, and if someone's thinks they can replace their entire existence with starwars and antidepressants, well, they are in for some cosmic dread eventually, at least when the drugs wear off. For many of us however, we'd take the existential crisis while feeling alive, than willful mental suppression to feel nothing. Who's the nihilist again?
+--- 21930443
+>>21908920
+not my issue
+--- 21930570
+>>21930179
+pretentious hedonists are not the issue nor are they an argument against, that's just something you have a personal problem with.
+also antinatalists aren't necessarily claiming to be nihilists although some are, again this just goes back to you having a few personal bones to pick with a stereotype you have in your head, a stereotype that you have no basis in reason for disliking.
+at any case not all antinatalists are hedonists either.
+and the funny thing is, antinatalists by definition, people who don't want to procreate as in not want to create the problem in the first place are the ones that make you personally upset, not the crazed natalists that pop out kids left and right without care though, oh no those cannot be responsible nor deserving of criticism and anger. 
+definitely the harmless hedonists, those devils! how dare they not upset someone!
+--- 21930599
+>>21930570
+>crazed natalists
+what a concept, beings made to procreate procreating, this is not a thing unless you are talking about some fetishization of reproducing which is extremely uncommon at best. anti-natalism is a cult as you yourself are demonstrating, trying to say there is a cult of 'natlists' intentionally having kids to piss you off shows how paranoid you are. saying its my personal problem is projection. Literally no one is having kids because they think it will make some reddit retard angry, they do so because they simply want to.
+--- 21930614
+>>21930570
+It seems like you missed my argumen too, so here:
+no one arguing for anti-natalism is wise enough to justify that argument, it's a standard they set for others that they fail to follow themselves. That, in itself, is wrong. Someone deciding to not procreate, for the right or wrong reasons, materialistic hedonism or spiritual celibacy, is morally ambivalent. 
+You are arguing from a stance of human primacy, where human suffering is more significant than all suffering in nature. Nature will exist with its suffering even if humans don't, humans are part of that suffering and denying that our procreation is part of nature but rather something more important is human-biased and myopic for someone supposedly arguing for the cosmic good.
+--- 21930771
+>>21930599
+crazed here can also mean idiot. im not blaming anyone directly for procreating. yea for most people it's not a thing they think a lot about, however, the human being is generally deluded even antinatalists, so "crazed natalists" isn't an odd description.
+but really I mean a specific group, those that know and have thought about and still wanted to make people, those are definitely crazed even to the average natalist.

lit/21909823.txt

@@ -222,3 +222,76 @@ Keep us posted man. I'll contribute or at least support it in any ways that Im a
 Glad to see the interest. Tell you what, I'll learn how to actually publish magazines the way Hartley did and THEN I'll eventually return for some schizo call threads for submissions, help etc.
 --- 21926807
 Bumping
+--- 21927676
+>>21924489
+i feel the same, i just want to see it continue at a reasonable and steady/reliable pace, and give the editor room to be healthy and focus on his health and what he loves sans the stress. im just one anon with less talent than i act like i have, but im willing to step up. who else is?
+--- 21928894
+Hey boiz.
+Editor anon here. Or I guess you know my name now anyway. I want to apologize for seriously lolcowing myself, going crazy and abusing myself (it’s not the first time as most of you know). I am out of jail now for a sec but I’ll be back there soon for some more comeuppance. 
+I’ve decided to share the inbox and some website assets with some anons to better democratize &amp and help secure a brighter future for it. I don’t go back to jail for about another month, and in the meantime I’m going to be finishing some book reviews before I jump into a new issue of &amp or any other projects. I have a tendency to fill my whole plate while I’m sober and motivated and then let my efforts spoil and rot once I’m down and out, but I’m very serious about the book reviews and &amp in general so you can count on me to do that. 
+
+My gf and I read this thread last night and, man. There were tears. Which sounds gay but I have to say that the support blows my mind and breaks my heart. I’ll leave it at that lest I expose myself as emotional (okay).
+
+I’m setting up everything now to hand over some of these reins, so bear with me, and bump the thread, and I’ll give an update this afternoon. Also if you don’t believe me when I say that I’m him, the only proof I have to offer before I drink this coffee and eat breakfast is this super shitty webpage template that I stashed when I was working: 
+https://lamp your.com/test
+Talk very soon.
+--- 21928900
+>>21928894
+Lampbylit.com/test
+--- 21928948
+>>21928900
+wtf? 
+Is this where you're staying while you recover, bro?
+--- 21928987
+>>21928894
+Bump and wishing you the best man
+--- 21929076
+>>21928948
+Heh nah. I made that website for them a couple years ago. I just often use the &amp site as my professional dumping ground for work projects. 
+>>21928987
+Thanks king. A bit embarrassed desu but I’ll live.
+--- 21929118
+>>21928987
+>>21909823 (OP)
+>>21909946
+I’m mad at interrupting people kek 
+Great interview tho. Miles and Oggy you guys are real princes.
+--- 21929632
+>>21928894
+Sure thing pal, besides -- you're the only game in town without LitQuarterly and PineCone guy. Keep up the good work.
+--- 21929748
+>>21928894
+I hope your GF helps you get your life in order.
+--- 21929798
+>>21929748
+Thanks man. Means a lot.
+I’ve just passed over the keys to the Cadillac. Some new editors and administrators coming onto the scene.
+--- 21929821
+>>21929798
+who are the new editors? are they the same ppl who’ve helped you edit in the past?
+--- 21929898
+>>21928894
+ey man, we're all human here. ive said to you before, im in it for the long haul and am here to help out any way i can.
+--- 21929903
+>>21929821
+>who are the new editors?
+also, this^
+--- 21930082
+>>21929821
+>>21929903
+my friend jet and my friend fin are in the cockpit now. i'm going to focus on the book reviews and start prepping for issue sixteen and they're going to handle the Greatest Hits and some other Compilation stuff respectively. i'm excited. i lost access to my Canva account so all magazine design going forward is from the drawing board. keks for miles
+--- 21930084
+enormous shout out to Unreal for being the heroes we deserve
+--- 21930111
+>>21929798
+Sucks about the drugs. Do they seriously keep sending you to jail over it? Who does that help? 
+
+Tough call handing things over but I can respect it. Do you trust these new people or are they just internet randos? The benefit of a dictatorship is unity of command. I can easily imagine this whole project disintegrating once its fate is decided by more than one. Internet autists will fight over any scrap of imagined power they perceive can be possessed. They can be extremely narrow-minded and may not buy into the idea that this project is cooler than them. 
+
+Question: can this process be reversed? Are you temporarily delegating in absentia or are you officially relinquishing direction over the project? Because you have done an admirable job despite your issues.
+--- 21930122
+>>21930111
+I’m pretty sure that the greatest hits guy is the best-of editor switching identities again. Both of the new guys might be him considering his track record.
+--- 21930141
+>>21930122
+Ah. Are we dealing with a fabulist here?

lit/21912608.txt

@@ -1649,3 +1649,348 @@ With feigned solace ease a true-felt woe;
 Or if, deaf god, thou do deny that grace,
 Come as thou wilt, and what thou wilt bequeath,
 I long to kiss the image of my death.
+--- 21927426
+How'd you guys write so fast? I feel as if I'm sitting on a verse for a day. Occasionally I reckon it might be easier to write the thought out in prose and then restructure it into metrical verse.
+--- 21927705
+>>21924309
+Do you have a PDF of that translation of Beowulf? I cannot find it. I have the Seamus Heaney.
+--- 21927791
+J'ai poursuivi les quatre vents
+De la Cerdagne au Pausilippe
+Où poussaient les myrtes fervents.
+J'ai poursuivi les quatre vents,
+J'ai vu dans ma course, aux levants,
+Le souffle temps qui tout dissipe.
+J'ai poursuivi les quatre vents
+De la Cerdagne au Pausilippe.
+
+La poudre d'or vole aux chemins
+Du bleu rivage adriatique
+Avec la pompe des romains.
+La poudre d'or vole aux chemins
+Et j'ai touché de mes deux mains
+L'or des gravats du monde antique.
+La poudre d'or vole aux chemins
+Du bleu rivage adriatique.
+
+Virgile est mort, tout a passé,
+Morte Phyllis et morte Laure,
+Morte Venise au flot pressé.
+Virgile est mort, tout a passé,
+Toutes les gloires du passé
+J'ai vu le temps leurs lèvres clore.
+Virgile est mort, tout a passé,
+Morte Phyllis et morte Laure.
+--- 21927913
+dodo, adada todo
+solo lolo yo no toto
+toto toto 
+badida retina
+no no no
+godin lolin 
+redi tretre
+trino potino
+ah entiendo
+nuna luna limba
+okey.
+--- 21928001
+>>21927386
+Glad to see William Drummond being shilled, check out John Davies of Hereford as well, they are both grouped together.
+--- 21928022
+>>21926952
+lmao
+you got me
+read tales of terror and wonder though
+it's the greatest collection of gothick ballads ever written
+i have an 1880s copy by my side that never goes unread
+--- 21928085
+>>21928022
+Different anon but I’ve read some of his other stuff, for some reason he wasn’t saved in my notes though I enjoyed it and that aesthetic in general, so thanks for reminding me to read more of him.
+--- 21928184
+Cycles
+
+There is still beauty to be found.
+When spring comes round
+buds blossom in delicate delight,
+one can hear their struggle in the night,
+and in morning light color flows
+as art come to life.
+
+The light of summer may blind some
+and confine to chamber solitude,
+yet another is freed
+from sickness and decrepitude
+and himself becomes bright,
+moving through masses with tactful skill,
+he sees the beauty in human will.
+
+To the mingler autumn brings despair,
+to a poets heart it is more than fair,
+for thus begins the endless cycle of life,
+as totems of virility begin to wane,
+a new beauty emerges, 
+peaceful and tame.
+
+As frost abounds and whiteness reigns free,
+images of ones death come to the fore,
+perspiring in their transient form,
+all hours spent in joyful glee
+seem like dust in the wake of nevermore.
+That is the burden man must bear,
+yet, there is still beauty there,
+out of its deathly lair
+new life is begotten,
+destined to despair,
+live, laugh and die,
+and be born again.
+--- 21928457
+"Interface with palantiri
+on the surface of the deep",
+said General Stubblebine, adjusting his skirt on his way to the Klan meeting.
+Tehom, tehom on the bythus, my teacher Stubblebine, the Godhead rattled back wrapped in the ruah,
+right as rain.
+"Deep computing off the coast of Halifax.
+Halifax - where those thick-thighed Polynesian ghosts of yore
+haunt my Stubblebine dreams with shanty screech-ins",
+said General Stubblebine, adjusting his skirt on his way to the Klan meeting.
+Tehom, tehom on the bythus, my teacher Stubblebine, the Godhead rattled back wrapped in the ruah,
+right as rain.
+"Paper woods and North clip - clip to back to the West when St. Elmo's fire
+comes screechin' down the plain - and we passencore re-arrive our side the scraggy is-thymus - oh, oh
+the same breast! the same heart! -
+- and crass, the old isthymus that falters and splits this war, this our cloak of justice given to foulest
+sin! -
+of Oklahoma, down to UT's
+underground nuclear facilities
+to anamach our phallermic poleme
+to anagraph to the graph of our dreams,
+grotesque and pittoresque
+to katabate to Hieronic and ironic
+wells of Procopean catenas,
+deep in the heart of Texas".
+Tehom, tehom on the bythus, my teacher Stubblebine, the Godhead rattled back wrapped in the ruah,
+right as rain.
+This is the Pleroma of General Stubblebine.
+--- 21928465
+O Stubblebine! my Stubblebine! our fearful trip is done;
+This syzygos has weather’d every hylic, the prize we sought is won;
+Gnosis is near, the hautbois I hear, the cherubs all exulting,
+While follow eyes the steady keel, the kobold grim and daring:
+But O Stubblebine! Stubblebine! Stubblebine!
+O the bleeding drops of red,
+Where on the deck the Demiurge lies,
+Fallen cold and dead! 
+O Stubblebine! my Stubblebine! rise up and hear the bells;
+Rise up—for you the circle is squared —for you the hautbois trills:
+For you lustration's cathartic breath itself unsheaths—for you the firmament a-crowding:
+For you they call, the hylic mass, their eager faces turning;
+Here Stubblebine! dear father!
+Your arm beneath his head;
+It is some dream that on the deck,
+The Demiurge's fallen cold and dead! 
+
+The Demiurge does not answer, his lips are pale and still;
+Beezelbub does not feel my arm, he has no pulse nor will;
+The ship is anchor’d safe and sound, its voyage closed and done;
+From fearful trip, the victor ship, comes in with object won;
+Exult, O shores, and ring, O bells!
+And Stubblebine, with gleeful tread,
+Walks the deck where hylics lie,
+Fallen cold and - dead!
+--- 21928473
+I.
+Heigh, ho! -
+It's off to gnosis we go, said Stubblebine's syzygos.
+Heigh ho! -
+From UT's underground nuclear facilities
+upon past the cape-arena where the suitor sought his own city:
+Oh, Dauid huios, ol' oily Davidovitch was cross when he crossed the river on the way to the Cross,
+because there was no
+river -
+to cross.
+And there was no
+cross -
+to bear.
+But cross he did and cross we must the same, O my teacher, my teacher - Stubblebine!
+II.
+Heigh, ho! -
+Meat annoy ya? meat annoy ya?
+Heigh, ho! -
+Out of the land of weighed qualia,
+where the maiden's reduced life slid its way in to more noble
+Alcestian dirges,
+free of Persians and pirates and such-like
+sundries as they befit later stages of the withering surface-state Biome,
+Daphne dies by his own art
+But surface-state girls live again through it:
+truly not the stuff of women,
+but of eunuchs
+and of girls reading by candlelight.
+Let's leave this land,
+out of the Stubblebine's bythus
+past Mytilene, back up Athenaze,
+Where INSCOM's own sotadic whore Basedster will be toppled
+through his own maculation of our Mysteries.
+Oh, Dauid huios, ol' oily Davidovitch was cross when he crossed his river on the way to the Cross,
+because there was no
+river -
+to cross.
+And there was no
+cross -
+to bear.
+But cross he did and cross we must the same, O teacher, my teacher - Stubblebine!
+III.
+Abraxas! -
+Heigh ho!
+Abraxas! -
+Oh, the Earth - it shakes! See, the firmament - it quakes!
+But Stubblebine's bythus remains silent all the same.
+Silence on the bythus, my teacher, as we make our way
+back up from UT's underground nuclear facilities
+To render mute Basedster's en-thymations.
+Oh David huios, ol' oily Davidovitch was cross when he crossed his river on the way to the Cross,
+because there was no
+river -
+to cross.
+And there was no cross -
+to bear.
+But cross he did and cross we must the same, O teacher, my teacher - Stubblebine!
+--- 21929084
+I just wrote this:
+
+Shrimp ambition leads a lad to limp condition.
+Inhibition keeps a kid in kid position.
+Sit-and-listens beat a boy to bored submission.
+And the last thing you need to know is how to fight.
+--- 21929943
+Golden arches shining bright,
+A symbol of light in the night,
+A sign that hunger can be sated,
+Fast food dreams can be created.
+
+From Happy Meals to Quarter Pounders,
+Each dish in a world of wonders,
+Fries that crunch and chicken that’s crisp,
+Satisfying bites you don’t want to miss.
+
+But more than just a place to eat,
+McDonald's is a cultural treat.
+A gathering spot for young and old,
+A hub where stories are told.
+
+Maybe it's a postgame snack,
+A birthday party or a date on the deck,
+Bringing us closer through the years,
+A home away from home that's a popular choice for all our peers.
+
+And so we flock to your gates,
+Enticed by the meals and the taste,
+Thankful for a moment of pause,
+Before heading off to complete the cause.
+
+McDonald's, a beacon of light,
+A place we come to win the night,
+A fast food gem in the midst,
+Our heart and our favorite bits.
+--- 21929960
+A dangerous doctrine takes hold,
+In the minds of the brave and the bold,
+A creed that challenges the norm,
+And seeks to lead a new reform.
+
+Accelerationism is its name,
+A philosophy that's both bold and shame,
+It argues that the best way forward,
+Is to speed up the trend toward.
+
+The belief that change must come,
+And if left to its natural sum,
+It will bring forth a better world,
+A place where freedom is unfurled.
+
+But critics say, it's a game of chance,
+A path that leads to a fiery dance,
+And instead of reaching utopia,
+It might lead to an apocalyptic dystopia.
+
+Yet, accelerationists persist,
+In this dream that they call bliss,
+For them, the path of revolution,
+Is the only way to find a solution.
+
+Only time will tell what's the way,
+And who knows who'll triumph on this play,
+But until then, we watch and wait,
+As accelerationism still debates.
+--- 21930014
+>>21926952
+>but reckoned it too high quality and out of range aesthetically for who I know posts here
+You would know
+--- 21930765
+oh God is dead
+his bones the head
+he never sleeps 
+he dreams the end
+
+when he will rise
+abysmal might
+the blinding light
+the death will die
+
+***
+
+>init mind control 'I SHALL REGROOM THE TRANNER FOR THE GAMER CAUSE' 
+
+it not black gnosis though
+it is whatever-
+your-race-is gnosis
+a spiritual osmosis
+through a dung hill
+my soul’s ill
+where dementia spills
+waste on your sheets
+laying juicy shits
+
+>I mean I’m not a tr00n
+>but I’m also pretty cool
+
+but shitposting is like taking shit
+is a private and delicate matter
+even though fecal
+it is all the way focal
+
+and to confess my own malaise
+I'm torn between wanting to gift my friendship and good spirits
+and sneeding venom in my own cubicle while no-one sees even God
+I despise communication: pepo swaping thoughts as if they can
+bring them anywhere but to that sweet recognition of the mutual diabetic
+(demi)urge to be amongst 
+but never amongus
+
+long time yoke of being despised leaves you unable to 
+to symbolic acceptance
+why do they praise Hitler?
+perhaps hit her as in erotic passion
+
+'I AM SICK' screams from every crack vapour 
+tranny chud + sneed and the forbidden
+name like the tetragrammaton 
+a nutter whispering it deep in the bushes
+where no one sees even God
+is dead but he died before they killed him
+
+I urge you
+pledge your soul to shitposting
+dissolve whatever been clutching your mental canvas (enemas)
+from the lowest regions of shame
+to apateia of saints
+rather transcending oneself
+folding the line like Deleuze
+poking on itself like I don't read books
+few drops of life and its good
+tastes like the healing fruit
+lemons.
+--- 21930766
+>>21929943
+>>21929960
+These read like GPT poems

lit/21914448.txt

@@ -526,3 +526,94 @@ And I say it in real life too, unlike terminally online zooms zooms I’m not af
 --- 21927355
 >>21924698
 Most people don't write 4chan posts intra-coitus. Of course they don't have anything good to say about women.
+--- 21927398
+>>21924723
+Works on me.
+--- 21927410
+>>21917360
+Where is the lie?
+--- 21927413
+>>21927410
+How would you like it if it was your rights they were taking away?
+--- 21927529
+>>21927413
+I dont ask for rights, i assert my authority
+--- 21927534
+>>21914499
+kek
+--- 21927538
+>>21914448 (OP)
+>If I pay too many compliments, she starts telling me other men are hot
+>If I withhold sex for a month or two, suddenly she's cooking
+Holy shit this guy's blissful unawareness
+--- 21927541
+>>21918359
+heidegger.jpg
+--- 21927755
+>>21927529
+If you keep treading on women we may do the same.
+--- 21927854
+>>21927755
+--- 21927867
+>>21924381
+I suppose this begs the question. How do I gain self-worth? And what book can point me in the right direction?
+--- 21927923
+>>21923246
+This is only bait to /r9k
+--- 21927940
+>>21924645
+Until you really get to know them
+--- 21927956
+>>21927867
+/fit
+--- 21928557
+>>21927940
+I've gotten to know some of them pretty damn well. Like 'would tell our deepest darkest secrets to each other and invite each other to our weddings' well.
+--- 21928563
+>>21914499
+is models actually worth reading, bros?
+--- 21928800
+>>21928563
+Its more about emotional intelligence not being a complete social retard. You would be amazed by how many people get into relationships who are lacking basic emotional health. If you have strong emotional intelligence you will naturally do the most attractive thing. You won't have to read it and it will be insanely obvious (not rewarding bad behavior) (not looking for validation or approval). If you're a complete social retard (like most people on here) I would suggest reading it.
+--- 21928832
+>>21927538
+t. involuntary celibate
+--- 21928844
+>>21923150
+The choice isn't between manipulation and le wholesome appreciation, it is between manipulation and celibacy (or divorce if you're already together).
+--- 21928940
+>>21914448 (OP)
+maleprivilege.net/viewtopic.php?t=159
+
+>There's nothing wrong with being deceptive, predatory and even sociopathic if it's for a good cause; and hot girls are one of the best causes there have ever been.
+--- 21929009
+>>21928800
+oh-okay, I'll read it
+--- 21929055
+>>21928844
+There are relationships not based on manipulation.
+--- 21929523
+>>21923400
+lmao based femoid
+>>21914448 (OP)
+>I want to get pussi!
+just b urself anon! But, also books won't help you. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line so this is basically a math problem. There is a simple recursive function that will get you laid. 
+1. What ever you are doing with her right now is defined as "sex"
+2. In your mind describe the "sex" you are having with her. Format of this description is "We were having sex but ..." where ... is the first thing you can think of that doesn't make sense.
+>"We were having sex but she wasn't looking at me"
+>"We were having sex but we weren't facing each other"
+>"We were having sex but she was 5 feet away from me"
+>"We were having sex but she was talking the whole time"
+>"We were having sex but there were 20 other people in the room"
+>"We were having sex but her clothes were on"
+>"We were having sex but she was crying and screaming for help"
+3. Fix that thing
+4. Wait a minute
+5. Go back to step 2
+Anyways, good luck anon!
+--- 21929543
+>>21929523
+Also if you are asking /lit/ how to trick girls into liking you there is zero(0) chance of you being capable of tricking a girl into liking you. You just need to get lucky and hope she already likes you when you meet her.
+--- 21929574
+>>21917724
+you need to pad out IQ with dumb normie genes or your klids will be schizo and/or suicidal

lit/21915512.txt

@@ -376,3 +376,41 @@ Too worldly. People who ontologize tech fads are tiresome.
 --- 21927006
 >>21915923
 We weren't talking about you?
+--- 21927757
+>>21926190
+>This guy will probably explode in popularity 
+
+Nah, Mitchell Heisman is too hard to get in to. People take one look at his work and see 2000 pages of schizo ramblings so they think it's a big meme.
+--- 21927803
+>>21917746
+
+Lol, ok snoboid, I guess i'll have to take your word for it. Enjoy the farts
+--- 21928201
+Ulrich Horstmann is as edgy as it gets.
+--- 21928684
+>>21928676
+https://youtu.be/QT13kk8HDDo [Embed]
+--- 21928693
+he´s pretty tame (for schizophrenics standards) but insightful nonetheless
+--- 21928696
+>>21928693
+--- 21928697
+we may be getting soon a print edition of Xenosystems and maybe a new Land book
+--- 21929429
+>>21928697
+/knigga/ incoming
+--- 21930064
+>>21928697
+They should release a book of just those two guy's ongoing argument that spanned the comment section of all Nick's posts.
+--- 21930146
+his most interesting work was urban future
+--- 21930309
+>>21930146
+1 or 2?
+--- 21930526
+>>21917746
+we already know about guénon
+--- 21930735
+>>21928201
+>Guys we should just all kill ourselves with nukes
+Lol

lit/21917809.txt

@@ -314,9 +314,6 @@ Lying retard. He wasn't crying about Jews being insulted. He was crying about Je
 --- 21924828
 >>21922069
 Holy shit, you're retarded.
---- 21924862
->white race is dying but we must gatekeep the last vestiges of literary culture to the white masses because I'm a perpetually angry tranny embittered by my lack of accomplishments and self-worth
-Divide & Conquer bullshit. Sage
 --- 21924912
 >>21918268
 https://youtu.be/HpxN4N7AT2Q [Embed]
@@ -465,3 +462,204 @@ Hating Blood Meridian is the most newfag thing on /lit/, retard
 --- 21927224
 >>21917809 (OP)
 We need five maybe seven threads of Blood Meridian at any one time. Now look at the name field.
+--- 21927646
+>>21923655
+nigga you gotta accept you're gay, embrace it and carry on
+--- 21927677
+Even well read people don't get it. Get ready for more "le judge raped the le kid" spam.
+--- 21927745
+What /lit/core book will he normify next? I’m thinking either Brothers K or Moby Dick
+--- 21927829
+>>21927745
+Those two are already normie novels.
+--- 21928602
+>>21918382
+>Sun Kil Moon playing
+Yep you definitely have a restraining order or two
+--- 21928794
+I haven't watched Wendigoons video on it but what is the general consensus of Blood Meridian on here anyway?
+
+I always thought it was a decent book, admittedly filtered me due to how it's written but I appreciated the ending and sort of understood some of the subtext.
+
+Still think like The Road, that it's super overrated
+--- 21928823
+>>21922186
+its just Reddit Guntube. Thank Christ people like Paul Harrell exist
+--- 21928856
+>>21928794
+>the general consensus of Blood Meridian
+like all Cormac McCarthy books it does an amazing job at capturing a certain feeling and mood in his setting but the actually substance of the story is lacking. At least thats my view of it after I got to chapter 12 I basically had to force myself to keep reading it. Mind you thats not because of the graphic content but because I was so immeasurably bored and didn't care about any of the characters.
+--- 21928902
+Never read this book, but watching Wendyman video made me realize how much the SomeGuy2000's series of New Vegas mods took from it.
+--- 21928911
+>>21928902
+>SomeGuy2000's series
+>tells me not to take my companions into new area
+>ah fuck it whats the worst thing that happens I break the balance?
+>take them anyways
+>quest deletes my companions
+>npc tells me he told me not to bring them and that they are now all dead
+>ends my New Vegas playthrough
+--- 21928968
+>>21924376
+This woman represents 90% of all female American readers
+--- 21928971
+>>21928911
+I think Jarhead was just about done with modding when he made New Vegas Bounties III, so he tried to make it "meaningful and consequential". later he realized he still had a bunch of loose end so he rushed out The Better Angels, which was an awful way to end the series, but I get it, modding is hard work for no pay.
+Too bad bethesda didn't hire him like they did to so many worse modders, but his writing takes so much from other media that they might have avoided him just because of it. Hell the villain in Russel is called Glanton and he's a merc that scalps natives for caps.
+--- 21928975
+>>21918268
+Pseud
+--- 21929119
+>>21928971
+Not to mention NVBIII is very heavily based on The Great Silence. That final entry had it's issues for sure, but I'll always be thankful it introduced me to that gem of a film.
+
+>>21928794
+It's my favorite book, but I can completely understand why some might not like it as much or at all. Aside from the prose and graphic content, it does have a very barebones story (aside from what one gleans under the surface) and has a lot of repitition. Personally, I find these to be strengths, but they understandably don't appeal to some.
+--- 21929185
+>>21925660
+>NooOOoOoOOO don't listen to the bible. listen to a man instead
+--- 21929557
+>>21918437
+>So was The Judge some kind of convoluted metaphor or some sort of demon?
+I think The Judge is a personification of what modern man believes deep down, but refuses to come to terms with. Even if the average person lags behind, we live in a world which has internalized Materialistic, Atheistic assumptions and reduces human behavior to a clash of arbitrary wills. Educated people have contempt for anyone who rejects Darwin as an explanation for man's creation, but then try to smuggle in Christian values, or a Post-Christian Liberalism, never addressing the contradiction between how they behave and what they believe.
+
+The Judge accepts all the insight and power of the world he lives in, but ditches the rationalizations. He stands naked before an uncaring, material universe and feels at home, because he understands and accepts the terms of the game: a direct conflict between human will and material reality. He is the natural conclusion of the mentality he represents, and calls out the reader's hypocrisy, because it is impossible to challenge him morally while sharing his core beliefs.
+--- 21929588
+>>21917851
+>>21917854
+>Protestant
+He lacks a frenulum, if you know what I'm saying.
+
+ >>21929557
+European explorers in the age of sail didn't wring their hands or clutch pearls or question their faith -- if they scalped, they got it back ten times worse even if it took a few generations; if they performed cardiac surgery with obsidian daggers on a mass scale to pagan gods, they were put to the sword and it was God's will, especially the one who was supposed to return. Things are only going to get more hairy and primitive and violent in a world with a closed frontier -- without the release valve of virgin territory, without making the leap to space to walk among the stars with God (or like unto gods ...) the human version of Mouse Utopia is walking toward systematized mayhem, "Man made horrors beyond human comprehension."
+--- 21929604
+>>21917968
+Wendigoon is profoundly mentally ill and had a troubled upbringing; that's the mimetic wellspring drawing differently abled 'normal'fags in, the para-lumpenprole dregs that will be obsolescent between automation and AI and their own godless godforsaken anti-natal nihilism
+--- 21929631
+>>21924376
+>you are like the english lit professor i never had
+this is so psychosexually telling. these women are so miserable its actually kind of heartbreaking
+--- 21929641
+>>21926165
+I would hardly call the future king of England part of mainstream academia
+--- 21929648
+Pa. Why are eggs breakfast.
+
+What.
+
+You can put bacon on lunch.
+
+Ye.
+
+But if you put eggs on stuff it becomes breakfast.
+
+The man spat and said the eggs are not for this world or from this world they come from the chicken but the chicken knows it not.
+
+He wiped his chin and spat.
+--- 21929656
+You are all downers.
+I enjoy Wendigoon a lot, he is very likeable and his conspiracy iceberg was kino.
+I did watch this and was disappointed it was a beat for beat take on the story, but that is okay.
+He adds in his thoughts and opinions on topics that I didn't spot, even though I read BM 4x times.
+He is a good lad and a real fren, and his BM video is super comfy, if a touch paint-by-nubers.
+--- 21929676
+>pewdiepie gets zoomers to read dostoevsky and mishima 
+>/lit/ complains
+>wendigoon gets zoomers to read paradise lost, divine comedy, no longer human, and blood meridian
+>/lit/ complains
+wow it's almost like no one here actually reads and uses high brow literature as an identity or fashion statement like narcissistic women do
+fuck you charlatan queers and your bookshelves
+you fags buy literature like millennials buy funkos
+--- 21929679
+>>21929641
+>future
+Know something about Lizzie's corpse you ain't telling us anon?
+--- 21929682
+>>21929656
+>I enjoy Wendigoon a lot, he is very likeable and his conspiracy iceberg was kino.
+I don't think the problem lies with Wendigoon it lies with the influx of people on the discussion of the topic and the usage of his video as a replacement of actually read the book.
+This was extremely apparent in the Divine Comedy discussion following his video where you basically had lots of
+>le Dante put all the people he disagreed with in hell 
+and completely disregarding its content on that basis alone
+>>21929676
+>gets zoomers to read 
+I'd wager out of the millions of people that have watched that video maybe triple digits will read the book and for those that do good on them.
+--- 21929709
+>>21929676
+Why don't you lick pewdiepie's balls zoomer
+--- 21929737
+>>21929682
+>influx
+Fair. But what are we to do? Not make videos if that is our passion because it will cause a wave of pseud shit elsewhere? I thank him for shitting up this train wreck board some more for 6 weeks and then maybe getting a few dozen young men to try and read one of the greatest works of American literature. A worthwhile trade.
+--- 21929741
+>>21918437
+Look, I don't know why no one ever says this. He is the personification of the Western White Civilization. It's very simple and very clear
+--- 21929795
+>>21924821
+No, he wasn't. He went on a 2~ monologue about how antisemitism is wrong and not Biblical.
+--- 21929807
+>>21929676
+>Wendigoon
+>blood meridian
+>ending with kid getting raped
+so epic and deep
+--- 21929981
+I'm steadily realizing the only reason long-form essays are even popular is because it subconsciously justifies not engaging with media. It's anti-discourse, calling it background noise just distracts from this truth and you can see its effects as more fanbases become rife with secondaries. All their opinions are paraphrases of what the youtuber said, all their criticisms are based off someone else's assessment instead of their own experience.
+--- 21929990
+>>21929981
+long-form video essays exist because we trained an entire generation of Americans to write essays and this skill has no purpose outside of school
+--- 21929993
+>>21929990
+Essays are a great format for 4chan posts and literally nothing else.
+--- 21930016
+Am I stupid or something? I don't understand why people suggest the judge rapes anyone throughout the book when he's constantly naked and displays eccentric or deranged behavior. There's no real reason to believe he raped anyone unless I just didn't fucking pay attention?
+--- 21930074
+>>21929741
+His contempt for Christianity suggests otherwise.
+--- 21930076
+>>21930016
+There are naked and/or murdered children wherever he goes, for a start.
+--- 21930091
+>>21930074
+Chistianity is a non-White religion.
+--- 21930109
+>>21930091
+Please explain this in the context of the pagan Ottomans taking Christian white slaves.
+--- 21930158
+>>21930076
+>naked
+I must've missed it.
+>murdered
+Can be done without rape
+--- 21930210
+>>21930158
+The most obvious example I can remember is that when the natives raid the camp at the river crossing, the Judge has a naked young girl in his tent.
+--- 21930237
+>>21930016
+The historical character was a child rapist
+--- 21930425
+>>21930158
+>must've missed it.
+It is subtle and not in your face. Like the other anon said the most obvious is when the natives raid and he, the idiot and a girl are all naked in the room with the howitzer and the howitzer quickly takes the reader's attention away from the off mention of the girl.
+--- 21930433
+>>21917809 (OP)
+Lmao i made a thread because of this video. Best go delete it
+--- 21930456
+>>21926304
+I like wendigoin but always wondered if he was a shabbos goy. Guess so.
+--- 21930471
+>>21918276
+Outer Dark
+--- 21930486
+>>21917809 (OP)
+Is it true the book has no full stops and commas?
+--- 21930514
+>>21929676
+They enjoy it for the wrong reasons. Completely unironic.
+--- 21930519
+>>21929676
+I actually download my literature. I told zoomers about it and /lit/complained and got the websites taken down. Now thatswot i corl faggotry
+--- 21930772
+>>21929807
+i still don't think he was raped, he's to old. and the point is the contest. and the victor dances.

lit/21917939.txt

@@ -133,3 +133,64 @@ Pouring one out for Nadab and Abihu; the absolute morons.
 --- 21926916
 >>21926527
 pour out a whole bottle for jephtah's stupid ass
+--- 21927575
+>don't be mean to foreigners or immigrants, you were migrants too
+>go into these places and impose your beliefs and principles on the native people
+Interesting.
+--- 21927962
+>>21927575
+>revealing the truth of the world to foreigners and immigrants is being mean
+lol. lmao even.
+--- 21928135
+Better to let them keep worshiping demons
+--- 21928481
+>>21928135
+how do infants worship demons exactly
+--- 21928766
+>>21918474
+ever had someone do something nice for you or save you from a dire situation?
+you won't hold to the gratitude for long. same as the Israelites. they're often reprimanded for that short memory.
+--- 21929521
+>>21918474
+It does mention that God makes Pharaoh's heart 'heavy', which is to say that God purposefully inflicts him with stubbornness. He does this in order to be able to show off the various plagues and therefore exhibit his omnipotence, which wouldn't have seemed as impressive if Pharoah had given in as soon as he saw frogs in his bed. 
+It's a fairly sadistic thing for God to do, to draw out the anguish of the Egyptian people by making their leader oblivious to what's occurring around him.
+--- 21929554
+>>21927575
+Taking in guests doesn't mean allowing squatters
+--- 21929571
+>be lefthanded
+>nobody suspects you're carrying a weapon to the foreigner fat fuck king since it's on your right thigh and not the left
+>tell everyone you want the king to go to his bathroom to "discuss"
+>everyone leaves
+>you rip the shit out of his intestines, dirtying your sword, and then lock the door behind you
+>you run and gather an army and the leaderless foreigners are defeated
+>rule israel and do fuck all for 40 years
+>die
+>cycle repeats
+--- 21929583
+>>21922760
+Esau, he was stronger than Jacob, who went toe to toe with an angel
+--- 21929613
+>For the Lord thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee.
+goyimcels seething
+--- 21929909
+bump
+--- 21929978
+>>21919804
+I self-insert as the lady who wanted to let the child be split in half with a knife by King Solomon.
+--- 21929983
+>read genesis
+>skip to the gospels
+>instantly minimize pharisaic taint with one simple trick
+can anyone offer a convincing reason not to do this because i’m honestly struggling to come up with my own
+--- 21930086
+>>21917939 (OP)
+>finish the pentatuch yet?
+Lol to understand it you need to read what it was based upon, the Greeks...
+--- 21930362
+>>21929521
+if you'd actually read exodus you would mention that pharaoh hardens his heart fo every time god does so and did so first.
+--- 21930414
+Are there dates that can be put to some of these events and people?
+--- 21930597
+Hold up. Is this Jehoshaphat where the phrase "jumpin' jehoshaphat" comes from?

lit/21917984.txt

@@ -281,3 +281,127 @@ Listen to the overtures and preludes, plus the individual famous pieces like Sie
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ch227pV-A0&list=PLBrs-r77FPJLEYSLxTyjCs2mNRjrLrWWK [Embed]
 
 A good playlist with some of the more famous pieces from the Ring.
+--- 21927610
+Bumping with the best piece of music ever composed.
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCo2MIfP16Y [Embed]
+--- 21927630
+>>21926106
+Thank you for the concise response anon, I've asked that question previously to no avail.
+--- 21927650
+>>21927610
+Wagner ended music. He set the bar too high. Nothing will ever come close to this.
+--- 21927807
+>>21927610
+I feel holy...
+--- 21927828
+>>21927650
+It reminds me of the Buddhist formula:
+>'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for the sake of this world.'
+And 2 Timothy 4:7
+>I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith
+--- 21928167
+>>21919395
+Read Actors and Singers. His comparison between puppet theatre, Shakespeare and Greek tragedy is genius.
+--- 21928259
+>>21925041
+Traditionally the libretto is published before the opera and sometimes years or a decade as in the ring cycle. The hardcore fans would buy a copy and read it like a poem and study it and when it came out would see it knowing already the opera.
+
+Causal fags would go and buy a copy at the opera and follow along. 
+
+Super causal Paris fans would go dress up and Head out after the second song to party. 
+
+But anyway the ‘intended’ method is for the audience to have read and studied the libretto and then watch the opera without having to consult it.
+
+I found the penguin classic ring cycle and the translation is meh to cringe (the rhinemaidens say ‘what’s up’ at one point) but my German is good enough to ‘correct it’s
+--- 21928268
+>>21928259
+>But anyway the ‘intended’ method is for the audience to have read and studied the libretto and then watch the opera without having to consult it.
+This is only for GSL. The intended method is to be a native German speaker, the singing be articulate, and follow the words for the first time in a performance.
+--- 21928293
+>>21928268
+No, if you check out the publishing history Wagner always released the libretto far in advance in German and the English translation of Ring for example had come out later and Wagner and the family thought it was fine but got bad reviews (the translation not the work) in England for being very cold and exact but the Wagner’s just dismissed the critiques they were being sent becuase the English wasn’t that important to them.
+
+I agree it’s a German work and the translations aren’t ideal but he did intend the audience to have read and have a strong understanding of the work before the performance, especially given the philosophical nuance would be lost without reading it
+--- 21928314
+Wagnerian bros.... why was this slam pig picked to play nearly all major female roles in the operas. Was this the ideal german female back then? Or its just that the germans turn ugly by 27?
+--- 21928315
+>>21928293
+I think Wagner just published the poem first because it was completed.
+
+Doesn't needing to study the text clash with Wagner's idea of a popular drama?
+--- 21928333
+>>21928314
+You need power to sing Wagner's operas otherwise your voice is overwhelmed by the intensity of Wagnerian orchestra.
+
+>Body weight and body fat volume appear to influence select objective measures of voice quality, vocal aerodynamics, and phonatory range performance.
+
+https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24408481/
+
+Thus the meme: It's not over until the fat lady sings.
+Also why lean singers usually don't do Wagner. Maria Callas for one supposedly said she wasn't "fat enough" to sing Wagner.
+--- 21928336
+Klingsor is so Jewish bros.
+--- 21928379
+>>21928314
+Because Wagner divided his two performer ideals between Wilhelmine Schröder-Devrient (created the roles of Adriano, Senta, Venus and would have created Elsa if Wagner hadn't engaged in the revolution) and Ludwig Schnorr von Carolsfeld (created the role of Tristan). One didn't have much of a voice but was dramatically convincing through her brilliant acting, musical speech and trim figure, the other was fat and depended mostly on his powerful singing to be convincing in the dramatic role which was enhanced by his acting skills.
+
+Wagner was disappointed that he had to rely on Amalie Materna and said the only exceptional performer in Bayreuth was the Alberich, Karl Hill.
+--- 21928422
+>>21928336
+fun fact: wagner was a huge fan of eta hoffman and he has a short story version about wartburg singer contest "Der Kampf der Sänger (1818)", where Klingsor is a dark magician/diplomat/alchemist who resides in Transylvania and teaches composition with a powerful but superficial Beckmesser-tier system. his disciple eventually loses the final battle against his former friend who is a more authentic bard.
+and there's a 16th century irl treatise by Diruta called "il Transilvano".
+--- 21928470
+>>21928422
+Hoffman was Wagner's spiritual forerunner. Analysed Beethoven through the concept of the Sublime, created German Romantic Opera, wrote the music as well as the words for his operas. When a friend of Hoffman told Wagner that he resembles him Wagner said that he was not surprised by this.
+--- 21928577
+Rewatching the finale of Meistersinger, Wagner to me displays the unifying power of Culture --a power that ancient Greeks must have felt about Homer, which is why they insisted that he be taught to young boys, and why it felt so alien to Augustine, who wasn't Greek, but I digress --, a whole people united in spirit, a mirror turned to them and they turned to it in holy celebration. Imagine for a moment what this must have felt like. We can't even imagine it, we can't fathom what it's like for culture and art to NOT be tools of demoralization and subversion directed against the people; to be a power that uplifts the people. We can't imagine that because it has taken away from us. Those who would corrupt the whole world understood, and feared, this power all too well. Thus the need to control and subvert it.
+--- 21928632
+>>21923853
+>the same general substance of them is present in Wagner.
+This. It was quite literally his whole endeavour.
+--- 21929852
+>>21928336
+I really don't get the accusations of antisemitism thrown at every villain Wagner does. Sure, the man was antisemitic and might have incorporated some of that in his work, but it's not immediately obvious if it is and even then most of its seems to be reaching. Take Beckmesser for instance, I don't see anything that could be construed as Jewish about him and yet there's plenty of arguments for that very point. I don't know, maybe I'm missing some 19th century context to it, but I just don't see it.
+--- 21929862
+>>21929852
+Correct Wagner himself said Jews don't make good villains. Perhaps relates to Weininger's assertion that Jews, like women, were only amoral and not capable of true evil.
+--- 21929868
+>>21928336
+>Klingsor is so Jewish bros.
+
+He's definitely not. You could say he's transgender, as he castrates himself--which is important symbolism; its an evasion of responsibility.
+--- 21929918
+>>21929868
+
+Though by no means none of the characters can be said to be Jewish, Wagner's worldview was highly anti-capitalistic, and such views are always at least implicitly antisemitic--and the worldview of course animates the artworks
+--- 21929952
+>>21929862
+Alberich is Jewishness itself
+>He has been widely described, most notably by Theodor Adorno, as a negative Jewish stereotype, with his race expressed through "distorted" music and "muttering" speech;
+Mime is hyper Jew
+Hagen is a Mischling
+--- 21929976
+>>21929952
+I wonder if this isn't a case of Jews identifying themselves with negative stereotypes, e.g money grubbing goblins and manipulative subversives. In my mind, the character has to be explicitly semitic for it to count; the stereotypes themselves are not anti-semitic, or at least wouldn't be if they didn't keep on identifying with overtly immoral villains.
+--- 21929987
+As for Klingsor, although it may be untrue that Wagner specified that he be dressed as a rabbi in stage, he fits the role perfectly in that he attempts to corrupt the knights by weaponizing sex, as they do.
+>If “Heldentum” is an ex planation of “Parsifal,” and Gutman believes that it is, it then follows that the opera is an allegory. Gutman's thesis, which has aroused something of a storm in Wagnerian scholarship, is that “Parsifal” is “an allegory of the Aryan's fall and redemption.” *Klingsor represented the Jews and the Jesuits, Wagner told his wife;*
+https://www.nytimes.com/1970/11/08/archives/music-what-was-parsifal-what-was-parsifal-up-to.html
+--- 21930002
+>>21929976
+>money grubbing goblins
+It’s a time-honored tradition.
+--- 21930005
+>>21927610
+ i really dont think humanity will ever accomplish more
+--- 21930008
+>>21929952
+lol, siggy calling him an ugly disgusting faggot who could never have made him
+and mime rubs his hands with glee whe he comes up with the poison plan
+--- 21930052
+>>21929952
+Yes by Theodore Adorno, a self-victimizer who seems to interpreted everything besides atonal music as fascist.
+--- 21930100
+>>21929987
+See, this is exactly my point. Most normal people when they hear of someone weaponising sex to corrupt people think it an abhorrent thing to do, an evil which should be denounced and prevented, but nothing more than that. Jews on the the other hand think "It must be referring to us Jews!"

lit/21920011.txt

@@ -730,3 +730,81 @@ Despite that I genuinely see myself as a virgin because I never had a normal gir
 --- 21927220
 >>21920479
 For me it's looking back at what I once was. It's a strange mix of pity, cringe and toe-curling disgust
+--- 21927666
+>>21926477
+I hope you realize that "Rollo Tomassi" is a Gen X loser who never actually scored IRL
+--- 21927728
+>>21926908
+I am years into being a wizard and I haven't given up on getting married. The comments ITT have some interesting perspectives, I'm still forming my own about this phenomenon. I think one unmentioned part of it is the way communication has changed in the 21st century exacerbated the rise of both incel and femcel. Because now we don't have to be present to get basic interactions, yet the expectations for those interactions are now wildly different. What's the right way to present yourself through, image, video, audio and text? How much time do you have to make an impression? How many suitors are challenging you in parallel, now that people can message anyone?
+For people that cannot compete this way completely miss out, at least online. I've had more and more girls ask me out in person over the years but I keep rejecting them because of my own wild expectations that I'm now coming to grips with. And it's not just communication, I feel many boomers and genx coddled their children with "you can do anything" while failing to set expectations for life, beauty and self-image. So the kids that did not learn that way are struggling with feelings that beauty isnt something you can create, but parceled out at birth. I think we've ended up with lots of people stuck in that rut of feeling inadequate, having naive expectations, consumed by misanthropy and being unable to present their best self---who is beautiful---online.
+I dont want to come off as mocking incels at all because I am one. But I want to move past this experience and I want to hope that there is a relationship out there so we won't feel alone.
+--- 21927763
+>>21920011 (OP)
+Not my problem.
+--- 21927893
+>>21924213
+Are you getting offended by the word NIGGER on 4chan?
+--- 21928000
+>>21927893
+Yes, apologize.
+--- 21928055
+>>21928048
+Have sex.
+--- 21928060
+>>21928055
+Kys
+--- 21928069
+>>21928060
+I am keeping myself safe by demanding respect in the space I occupy. Now, apologize.
+--- 21928123
+>>21920011 (OP)
+Literally me
+--- 21928312
+>>21926621
+There were a couple of women he dated later in his life that had the exact opposite problem he had. He was still pursuing women that rejected him romantically in the hopes that he might one day be seen as a romantic partner. The women on the other hand saw him as a friend, keeping in contact with him in the hopes that one day he would get over his romantic ideas and become close friends. These women literally just wanted a gay male friend they could "flirt" and be silly with with no pressure of being involved with each other. 
+
+Overall I put the blame more on him than any of the women, since he was often given a straight up "no, I will never be romantically interested in you, stop trying that" yet he never gave any of the women a straight up "I am not interested in just being friends, I am romantically interested in you and if you don't want that we shouldn't see each other anymore"
+--- 21928443
+>>21924213
+You type like someone experiencing psychosis after having had some traumatic memory uncovered during a therapy session.
+--- 21929651
+>>21924901
+>Id be interested to get a femanons perspective on this conversation actually
+>Not a single reply
+Women btfo. Truly the niggas of gender
+--- 21929859
+>>21920011 (OP)
+>Perpetual virgin story
+>20 pages and 15 years of his life in and he's already kissed, touched a girl's pussy, and had attractive girls flirt with him
+Must be nice. Then again, it was the 70s, and if I had lived back then, I probably would've gotten laid by that age.
+--- 21929892
+>>21923611
+just have sex bro
+its legitimately not hard
+--- 21929937
+>>21928443
+Okay, thanks for your analysis, doctor. How much do I owe for this consultation?
+--- 21929947
+>>21929937
+you owe me several (you)s
+thats a good start, keep em comin
+--- 21929969
+>>21920868
+I actually do some of this lol
+--- 21929971
+>>21929947
+You get two.
+--- 21930216
+>>21927666
+Then he's the guru I've been looking for.
+Certainly more so than the whiny depressive OP-author.
+--- 21930230
+>>21926673
+>entitled to love
+>some sort of Disney movie impossibility
+Wow...literally debunked in the first few pages of "The Rational Male".
+>some girl you enjoy hanging out with and sticking together
+who is sleeping with Chad on the side
+--- 21930332
+>>21930230
+Anon, I hate to break it to you, but if you're regularly plowing some cute girl.... You are the Chad on the side.

lit/21920117.txt

@@ -976,3 +976,318 @@ I'll just add semi-colons and conjunctions to the first sentence, I fucked up th
 >Where does 'and' go?
 >Where does 'as' belong?
 >WHAT EVEN IS 'WHILE'?!?!?!?
+--- 21927587
+Does anyone know how a Baron would address an Earl? Because I sure as shit don't.
+--- 21927595
+>>21927587
+>Hey Earl
+>Hey Crabman
+--- 21927601
+>>21926419
+You finish the action then describe. If I come in to your home and start banging your wife in front of you, you may notice how big my cock is, or what color my skin is, or hair color, but you’re going to be more focused on getting me to stop fucking her and will only notice sharper details later once you got my meat club out of her. Or one hopes, anyway.
+--- 21927619
+>>21925483
+I write literary fiction and have a few short stories under my belt
+>taut prose
+Do I look like I have talent?
+--- 21927642
+>>21927587
+I am pretty sure it would be "my Lord" or "your Lordship". I have no idea how it would work the other way around.
+--- 21927654
+>>21927642
+
+I could accept "Your Lordship", but I don't think "My Lord" would be appropriate? The Baron I'm referring to doesn't serve under the Earl in question, they're from across the country, doesn't "My Lord" imply the Baron would be serving under him?
+--- 21927662
+>>21920125
+4800 words instead
+Get on my level. In fact, some of you 4chan niggaz ain’t even Ridahz!!! Ahhhh!!!
+--- 21927664
+>>21927587
+Both would use Lord or your Lordship to the other when speaking.
+--- 21927665
+>>21927664
+
+Got it, thank you.
+--- 21927753
+>>21925483
+My story is a European travel romp about a man being chased down by a psychopathic boy and having lots of sex with locals/expats and doing drugs.
+--- 21927799
+>>21925483
+Why the false dichotomy between fantasy fiction and short stories?
+--- 21927911
+>>21920706
+That makes it sound even more like cringy anime bullshit, frankly.
+--- 21927922
+>>21920832
+The repeated line sounds more than a little off, and the content makes no sense. A person stabbed in the head cannot perceive anything because they’re dead, unless of course this is a work of fiction in which someone can survive a fatal wound to the brain and I’m just missing the context.
+--- 21927929
+I know my idea is good goddamn it
+--- 21927931
+>>21920952
+Sounds pretty good, but I hope that you’re just writing this for fun. No publisher in their right mind will pick up your manuscript, and even if you self publish, I doubt that anyone would buy a copy. When there are dozens of other epics, romantic or otherwise, how can your work hope to compete with the old greats?
+
+That said, don’t give up on my account, and feel free to ignore my warnings. If you write with passion and believe in your work, you should keep at it regardless of what people say.
+--- 21927941
+>>21927929
+Ideas are cheap. A good idea is worthless without a proper execution. A bad idea well done can still work. Get to work!
+--- 21927951
+>>21922263
+The biggest mistake of magic systems is focusing on them too much. On general principle, your story should come first, and while there should be some consistency to maintain the reader’s suspension of disbelief, spending too much time on developing your exposition before the actual writing will kill the spontaneity and discovery of your writing - for both the reader and yourself.
+
+Work on the characters and the thematics of the magic as it relates to the to plot, then remember to maintain a little consistency. Then you’re golden.
+--- 21927958
+>>21927911
+
+Just admit you hate high fantasy, anon.
+--- 21927992
+>>21926088
+I hope you do anon!
+--- 21928029
+>>21927931
+
+I think the real big issue is... very few people read in the first place, statistically speaking.
+
+How many people do you think really crack open a book for entertainment? Even something /wg/ likes to shit on like litrpg, which is supposed to be muh mass anime appeal?
+--- 21928039
+>>21927941
+>Get to work!
+I'M GONNA FUCKING WOOOOOOOORK
+--- 21928041
+>>21927992
+I will get it too but I got behead all satans and chicken world recently too. Need to get Oggie's recent novel too.
+One of these days I will have a bookcase that is all /lit/.
+--- 21928059
+>>21928041
+Based patron of the arts
+--- 21928090
+I used to have story ideas and didn't know how to build the scenes to make the story
+now I have scene ideas and don't know how to make a story out of them
+--- 21928140
+>>21928090
+Yeah, same. I have both, I just can't, or rather, I'm not sure how to put them together.
+Like trying puzzle pieces out. Keep at it.
+--- 21928170
+>>21928090
+Brainstorm about the scenes and find a common theme. Some scenes and sometimes were meant for other stories, but sometimes you can make it work.
+--- 21928209
+>>21927922
+I’ll retune it and I’ll have it so he knew at once he was dead by seeing the blade coming for him instead of feeling it in his head. Guy will die instantly and I’ll switch character perspectives there. But now I gotta find a way to keep the dog biting his head sensation line because I don’t want to lose it.
+--- 21928212
+How do I write in a way that engages an audience and keeps them wanting to turn the page?
+
+I like writing slow paced stories with tons of attention to detail, but I’m unsure whether or not I’d bore my audience with my tendency to go for long periods without any action happening.
+--- 21928283
+>>21928212
+write a mystery. use your focus on detail as a way of keeping the reader searching for potential clues.
+--- 21928288
+>>21928212
+Create "conflict," not necessarily drama or fighting but a kind of tension. You are trying to put ideas in the reader's head so he will anticipate what happens next. Then the reader has to turn the page to confirm what he suspects.
+It could be things like
+>why did that character look away
+>does it have anything to do with that other character?
+>why was this description so abnormal, this character seems like he's thinking about something else
+>when are those two going to see eachother again?
+>is this plan gonna work?
+>what will they do if it doesnt?
+>wait, was that character actually present at that e ent, how did he know that?
+>that idea is pretty big, what does it mean for all these characters?
+>i remember that gun now, it'd be really bad if that one character had it
+--- 21928302
+Trying to write a short children's fantasy story/fairy tale. I planned on the girl having a 'curse' put on her by the fairy as a price for guiding her back home, and then she has to enlist the help of a hermit/sorcerer and under go a spiritual tribulation in the form of some sort of inner, hallucinatory journey Carlos Castaneda/Don Juan style but that might be a bit much for a children's tale.
+Alternatively she can get fully spirited away and then the rest of the story would take place in this non-physical fairy realm, and I could do a little Alice in Wonderland surreal type of thing, but I'm not sure.
+--- 21928367
+So I wrote a dialogue heavy chapter where two characters just hang out. It's intended to be a breather with some funny (at least I think they're funny) moments to take the edge off shit that's about to happen and also happened previously. Now the problem is that I'm about to do another chapter similar to this except I don't think I mentally can. Where that chapter was fun and a little nonsensical, every time I try to write for this next one it comes across as very opinionated. I recognize one of the characters is a shameless self insert to just make that character easier to write but everything I jot down is just my own moral-ground bullshit opinions about politics, how people act, consumerism, etc. It's fucking awful and I'm only just waking up to the idea that I find myself unbearable. So how can I essentially kill my ego? I heard LSD gives you something called Ego Death but I know 2 people who are now lifelong mentally fucked because they took a bad batch. What do?
+--- 21928405
+>>21928367
+>I'm about to do another chapter similar to this
+then don't. as for the rest of it you may be a basic bitch political junkie - why though, all that shit is a distraction, at best - but normal people are not. unless your characters are actively involved in politics please don't bore your reader by having them yammer on about something like that. if you want to show it by having things happen, that's fine, that's visual, that at least allows for a little more ambiguity than having your self insert monologue at the reader.
+but you already wrote chapter of pure bullshit, don't subject your reader to another one. as the author you may feel you need a break from the story, but I'd imagine your potential readers would disagree
+--- 21928412
+>>21928367
+Have you read Steinbeck? He does this, and yes he comes off as opinionated but if you work your way to it and have same space inbetween the scenes where the bros just sit down and talk, it should be fine.
+--- 21928421
+How the hell do you introduce a great villain that isn't particularly powerful or strong but still intimidating? Every piece of advice is like "Shoe dere powea!" But that's useless if it's not that kind of book, he only kills one person throughout the book so it'd be silly to have him appear caked in blood. I really want to get it right
+--- 21928429
+>>21928421
+describe the villain's character and we'll have a better shot at helping you. like, what actually makes him a villain? a great villain, nonetheless
+--- 21928437
+>>21928421
+stop anime writing
+--- 21928502
+>>21928421
+Here is the thing, you cant be intimidating without power. Why fear someone who is weak? That being said, power comes in many forms. Judging from the post, I will assume you me someone who isn't physically strong, isn't physically intimidating. If you are writing a 5' 3" fucking nerd to be intimidating, you can have him ruin some actual dude for some sort of slight. The dude could be actively antagonizing him (though some buff bullying some nerd is a bit cliche), or some perceived slight. Maybe the dude didn't say hi to him, or accidentally said something he took umbrage with, something completely innocuous. He writes something down, or sends a text or some shit, later on he is stuffed in a suitcase, or the bank forecloses on his house. And the nerd guy is behind it all along. Some shit like that off the top of my head. It really depends on what kind of character you are going for. Pretty much, you need them to be able to do something, otherwise no one is going to care.
+--- 21928514
+>he hangs out on discord rather than writing
+--- 21928552
+>>21928421
+Power can be done through presence. Go watch A Serious Man. There is a fantastic villain in the film who is extremely scummy and overpowering despite the fact that he never physically assaults anyone, kills anyone, nor makes verbal threats. On top of avoiding all the typical paths you would expect to show off "power" he's an ugly, fat, balding Jew.
+--- 21928583
+Substack or Wordpress? I need something that won’t fucking hassle people wanting to read my stuff, for free.
+--- 21928610
+>>21928437
+I only posted griff because the villain is supposed to be effeminate. Books basically about a guy chased across Europe by a maniacal twink
+
+>>21928429
+>a great villain, nonetheless
+Good point that did sound awful self confident. 
+
+I'm trying to explain him but he's supposed to be ambiguous, he has an advantage over the protag because he's (The protag) Is just a normal everyman whereas he is sadistic and doesn't care for the laws right? That sounded cringe but my meaning is just that he doesn't worry about making a scene, the thought of murder doesn't phase him like it does a normal person so he has the upper hand. I certainly wouldn't kill somebody at the drop of a hat at least. He's clever but mainly his strength just comes from the protags weakness. He cuts him off from his friends and tricks him into losing his money etcetc then he's isolated abroad it's weird. I just want it to be right
+
+>>21928502
+Yeah it's not confirmed but the dude may or may not have done some reprehensible shit to the guy so he's not bent of ruining his life basically. 
+
+>>21928552
+Sounds good I'll give it a watch. Thanks aynon.
+--- 21928637
+>>21920134
+its okay, women aren't good writers anyway, you're saving yourself a lot of wasted time and needless heartache
+--- 21928642
+>>21928610
+he sounds like mafia. give him a smoking habit, give him a distinctive pair of gloves or alligator boots or something that shows he has money. give him a pair of hulking bodyguards, or a whole crew, he casually orders around and they snap to attention and say, yes Mr. so-and-so. even if in his opening scene you don't see him do anything evil, per se, the way others treat him will help cement his status in the mind of your reader
+--- 21928675
+>>21928610
+Honestly I am remembering Lin from Eggplant, which was from /lit/ of course.
+Lin doesnt seem so bad at first but when you see the people around him, he begins to become far more creepy because you question how much of a friend he is.
+I dont know the background of your villain but one good way to show he is bad is who he is surrounded by or juxtaposed with. Consider giving him a foil or two to highlight what characterstic you want readers to notice about him. Sometimes rumors or odd behavior, like Svidrigailov in Crime and Punishment makes him terrifying even though you dont see him do anything for a long time besides walk around.
+--- 21928692
+I can't focus on my duties at work because it's a waste of my finite time on this earth. I only want to write. I'm the only one who can write my ideas and I am terrified of dying with my stories left unfinished.
+--- 21928751
+>>21928610
+>by a maniacal twink
+stop anime writing
+i didn't say you were anime writing because of the anime picture, dumb fuck. your brain is fundamentally thinking in anime tropes. in visual art they call it symbol drawing. in /lit/ we call it anime writing. your ideas are shit because your brain is fed a diet of garbage and cliches.
+--- 21928755
+>>21928692
+i dont have this issue because i can only write well in the evenings, after natural work hours. however, if i have an in office job i come home too exhausted to write (introvert problems). meanwhile the same exact job, just wfh? i can suddenly write just fine after work! with no interruption to my writing habit. 
+
+offices are designed to kill the human soul
+--- 21928757
+>>21928610
+>Books basically about a guy chased across Europe by a maniacal twink
+is he scary because he has aids?
+--- 21928790
+>>21928755
+The pathetic thing is that I work from home, but my role is extremely demanding so I just feel drained and borderline suicidal at the end of each day.
+--- 21928826
+>>21928790
+that's because you're a victim of labor abuse. your employer should have 2 people or more doing your job, but they cut their positions and demanded more out of new hires, to the point you are at the brink of stress death for it. 
+
+take a brick to your employer's head
+--- 21928958
+Alright lit, do your worst. I despise second person voice normally, but it felt right here.
+https://pastebin.com/cRrNd0FG
+--- 21929034
+>>21928958
+Extremely strong start, but drops off at the end. I kind of rolled my eyes at the domestic abuse angle because of how played out it is. I like the overall framing though. The first paragraph or so would make a really solid intro to a novel.
+--- 21929081
+>>21928302
+I like it. First time I've read to the end of a /wg/ excerpt in ages. Maybe that means I have a child's attention span. As for inner journey vs non-physical realm, I think fairy tales are essentially about inner fears and desires materialising and taking on a life of their own as grotesque and fascinating creatures and scenes, so it would be truer to the spirit of the form to make her visit an actual world instead of experiencing a mere hallucination. But also, for a fairy tale, what's the real difference between a hallucinatory journey and a real one? The effect seems to be the same.
+
+I made a list of copy-editing corrections because this beer hasn't yet hit and I'm still in work mode. Please see attached. You will receive an invoice shortly.
+--- 21929105
+>>21929034
+Thanks for the concrete feedback, anon. I'll work to tighten up the ending and revise for clarity and originality - it's not really supposed to be about DV, per se, which means I missed hugely in that regard.
+--- 21929339
+>>21929081
+Damn bro, this is insanely helpful. I now understand why people by editors the big bucks, much appreciated. 
+
+As for the 'hallucination' angle, I read 'The Teachings of Don Juan' by Carlos Castaneda some time ago, in which he purportedly has all these magical experiences induced by various hallucinogenic plants which seem real to him, but he's not entirely sure to what extent they're actually happening. Repeatedly throughout the book his magical mentor, Don Juan, tells him that at some point in his development he will acquire the ability to fly or to turn into animals through the use of these plants and Castaneda keeps asking him 'but will other people see me fly/turn into an animal' (i.e. is it "really" happening) and Don Juan constantly reprimands him, telling Castaneda that he still doesn't understand. The implication being reality isn't as simple as 'real existence' and 'fake hallucination' -it's neither this nor that. The academic consensus is of course that Castaneda made all of this shit up and none of it happened in the slightest, but it's still neat to think about.
+Having written all of that out, I think I'll explore that a bit more in some other story, because that could be it's own thing and doesn't warrant the introduction of fairy, and all that. 
+Either way, big ups for the editorial notes, extremely helpful.
+--- 21929493
+>>21928421
+>How the hell do you introduce a great villain that isn't particularly powerful or strong but still intimidating?
+I would show their resolve. Make it clear that the villain absolutely will use any advantage they have to hurt the hero, even if they don't have any cards at the moment.
+--- 21929589
+Is every writing forum online absolutely useless?
+As far as I can see they’re a mixture of fetishising being a writer and autistic world building.
+
+>
+--- 21929779
+>>21929589
+dont forget the noob questions that should have been a google search or a course in remedial high school english
+
+yes, it's all idiots. they make /wg/ look skillful
+--- 21929808
+>be me
+>write 20 words
+>spend three hours looking at my shit draft and hating myself for how much is sucks
+Feels bad. I left some of the important parts for last and now the pressure to make them not shit is so much I can't even begin to write them.
+--- 21929819
+>>21928421
+There's more than one type of villain. Generally you may be better off humanizing the villain and making the reader understand, without telling them outright, the villain's intentions and why they are what they are.
+--- 21929880
+I highly recommend to anons here that struggle with actually starting a project and staying with it to write something on royalroad. It doesn't matter if you think it's trash, but it can be great practice and let you understand what you're doing wrong and let you apply these lessons to more serious works later on.
+--- 21929899
+>>21929589
+Yes. I joined "writing" groups and they just sit around rehashing the same dogshit and never making any progress. Their projects are meandering nonsense with no hook or characters. The only place I've seen people actually working on anything are fan fiction groups (which ironically have people in them making original content and actually making progress on it, probably because they write unlike "worldbuilding" tards).
+--- 21929932
+>>21929899
+I’m not surprised. Fan fiction writers know that their work isn’t going to be published or make them money so it doesn’t feed into the being an author fetish and their stories are inherently character driven (no matter how ridiculous) and no world building nonsense (“oh what do I name my race of elves and what kind of magic do they use”). 
+
+Also none of the “I am stuck starring at a blank page unable to start the great American novel” crap because they’re actually excited about writing something they would enjoy to read and are part of a community that constantly churns this stuff out and provides lots of constructive criticism.
+
+No wonder we’re seeing a number of actual successful and professional authors who started out this way. Fuck.
+--- 21929955
+>>21929899
+it's kind of astounding how many people start a writing project and can't finish it. meanwhile other than /wg/ i dont post anywhere and i already have several completed (unpublished) novels. they should sit their ass down and put their fingers to the keyboard more often than they spend discussing what they would like to write someday. i've also met normies who endlessly talk about what they would LIKE to write, and most of the time they don't even have more than one page of summary, let alone anything actually written, but they'll go on for YEARS about it, trying to act like they're already an author and deserve respect. even a third world pajeet in a mud hut can complete a novel, even if it might be total shit. people in writing groups are pathetic. they're trying to take credit for things they've not even done yet. this one guy, middle aged man, tells me he's going to write a book that will change the whole world. the lazy fucker was a C student in high school, hadn't read a book in 20 years, his own life was a total shitshow of failure and bad choices, and didn't have more than five pages drafted in a 5 year period of him "working" on this world-changing book. but he would prattle on and on about it like he was zarathustra. (he doesn't even know who that is, btw. completely uneducated and not at all intelligent. but ego for miles.) dunning kruger. 
+>>21929932
+fanfiction writers will unironically put out 400,000 words of story in a 2 year timespan. i'm scared of them. they might be crazy but they have the work ethic for it.
+--- 21929986
+>>21928041
+I hope you write reviews for all those /lit/ works.
+Lord knows we need them.
+--- 21929999
+>>21929932
+Trying to branch off from being a fanfic writer is pretty brutal and unrewarding because you're used to engaging feedback and then you start working on original stuff and it's like screaming into the void.
+--- 21930026
+>>21929999
+nice numbers, and probably, but agents do read fanfiction. most of them are wine aunts in the making and into non-serious writing like fanfiction and YA. it's probably possible for a really talented fanfiction writer to be noticed. however, most of them aren't writing in a professional format (novel structure, and the level of editing necessary to make a query-ready manuscript). but i wouldn't be surprised if some of the popular writers get approached by agents.
+--- 21930118
+>>21930026
+Pretty sure 50 Shades was originally fanfic, among others. I don't think talent has much to do with it here.
+--- 21930125
+Does anyone else think that the majority of their own work sucks?
+
+Over the years I’ve written several short stories, some poetry and haikus, and a single play.
+
+Rereading some of them, I think most of them suck despite getting positive feedback for most of them. The only ones I pretty strongly like are my more recent poems and haikus.
+
+I tried reading the short stories I wrote when I was a teenager and I honestly hate them now, despite them being liked by others at time. I genuinely cringe at my old writing style. Even my more recent short stories feel “meh” to me, like they’re missing something.
+--- 21930171
+>>21930125
+No, I love everything I write.
+And it pains me that so few share my opinion of my work.
+--- 21930215
+>>21930125
+I suffer from that more often than not. As you improve, it's natural to look at your older work and dislike it, since you know better. I would just accept that it is work from the past and focus on what you do now.
+--- 21930285
+>>21929081
+Are you the guy from /trash/? I suspect you're the fellow from there.
+--- 21930305
+>>21930125
+>Does anyone else think that the majority of their own work sucks?
+Yes. This is very common. Successful authors can still feel this way, while the others set it aside because their success allows them to look past their own natural fatalism ("I write like shit." "I wish I could write as well as X." "Only imbeciles waste their time reading my trash." "Please don't compliment my writing, I'm going to be sick.") Others just end up killing themselves because they can never get beyond their overwhelming impostor syndrome. This obviously isn't everyone, though.
+--- 21930541
+GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY WAY
+HERE IT COMES
+FUUUUUUCK I'M WRIIIIIITIIINNNGGGG
+HNNGGGGNNNGGNNGGNNGHHNNNNGHNNHH
+--- 21930624
+>>21930541
+y-you too,,,
+--- 21930686
+Lets say you're a white straight male
+You have a moderate writing talent
+You write a novella and some short stories and sent them in
+What is likely to happen?
+If you get rejected and self-publish on Amazon, is there any hope of 'success'? I mean does viral marketing work?
+I am not an author, I am just interested
+--- 21930700
+I really want to get at least one book traditionally published, if only for my closest people to recognize I'm a legitimate writer, and not just wasting my time playing for fun. The odds of getting published abroad as esl are probably bad, but writing in my native language is also incredibly slow and painful. 
+
+Many words are stupidly long, syntax heavy and awkward. I did a comparison out of curiosity and a text body of 250,000 characters converts to about 50,000 words in English, but only to about 30,000 words in my language. This makes it really difficult to estimate if I have enough material for a novel, or if scenes are too short or too long, when I'm more used to writing in English. Goddamn. Maybe I just don't have what it takes.
+--- 21930711
+>>21930686
+
+Send it in under a pen name that implies you're a genderqueer black female, make bank.

lit/21920562.txt

@@ -275,3 +275,60 @@ Recommend me a book where the main character is a monster. No, not a horrible pe
 --- 21927363
 >>21927348
 Writing your suggestion with a vaguely tangentially related picture goes against the spirit of the thread.
+--- 21927489
+>>21927348
+Jack London
+--- 21927830
+>>21927489
+A whole life
+--- 21927955
+>>21922999
+How the hell did you get Heideggar from that? 'Splain yourself anon
+--- 21927980
+>>21927955
+two ideas:
+das man
+the revealing sway / self-disclosure of dasein, represented as the lightning flash.
+
+also the dim candlelit setting implies that the frog is in an area unknown to das man, due to the lack of electricity, which is symbolic of Heidegger's attempt to turn back the clock on being. he is in an abandoned environment by himself, with limited visibility.
+--- 21928098
+>>21921957
+maybe captain alatriste? was a film with viggo mortensen after a book series
+--- 21928187
+>>21927606
+the secret garden
+--- 21928203
+>>21925124
+the iliad
+--- 21928239
+>>21926002
+The Good and Evil Serpent: How a Universal Symbol Became Christianized by J. H. Charlesworth
+--- 21928461
+>>21920562 (OP)
+--- 21928725
+>>21928461
+One of those Wizard of EarthSea books.
+--- 21929922
+>>21920562 (OP)
+Slaughterhouse 5.
+--- 21930083
+>>21925034
+Amusing ourselves to death
+--- 21930168
+>>21930167
+Tess of the d'Urbervilles
+--- 21930241
+>>21920562 (OP)
+--- 21930246
+>>21928239
+
+Tale of Two Cities
+--- 21930250
+>>21928509
+Stephen King's Full Dark, No Stars.
+--- 21930253
+>>21926177
+Dante's Inferno
+--- 21930426
+>>21925868
+The Red-headed league, by Conan-Doyle

lit/21921346.txt

@@ -552,3 +552,246 @@ Honduran
 25
 Prefers mtf trannies and grannies
 Virgin
+--- 21927653
+>>21922361
+"I'll have 2 meters of red books, please?"
+"Would you care for some green books, sir?"
+"Why not, give me one meter!"
+--- 21927657
+>>21925829
+Ever came in it's mouth?
+--- 21927996
+>>21927653
+Not quite a meter!
+--- 21928011
+>>21927653
+The green books could be a meter if properly arranged
+--- 21928840
+>>21927657
+Why would that thought even cross your mind, anon?
+--- 21929243
+>>21925675
+I liked the cossacks, we need more short fiction
+--- 21929261
+>>21927653
+Kek
+--- 21929277
+>>21928840
+Answer the question
+--- 21929469
+1/3
+--- 21929473
+2/3
+--- 21929486
+>>21922875
+
+>dedicated Giger section
+>he doesn't have Necronomicon I and II, and Biomechanics (they are the largest books I own in terms of front cover surface area), an attribute for which they compensate in their literal (and thematic, if one wants to be uncharitable to the popular edgy artist) lack of depth
+
+Some anon has some Kubin books (a directly related artist), I think he posted something else recently. But you appear to be distinct from that one. In order for me to make an annotation in a book (much more an art book), it has to be a truly special and correct observation. When I compared Giger's "Self-Portrait" with Kubin's early self-portrait, I saw at once that the young Giger had cribbed Kubin's entire composition in a youthful experiment, simply permuting elements. As I wrote in an earlier post:
+
+"-In a claustrophobic, medium frame, a "boxy" severed head is at left, and its headless owner stands upright at right.
+-Kubin's small black upright, representing blood gushing from the body's neck, becomes a small vertical bar on Giger's window.
+-Giger's decision to include an axe with a curved blade may have been influenced by the curved shoe worn by Kubin's headless man."
+
+This prompted me to write, in excited capitals on page 27 of my own copy of "www HR Giger com", where Giger's self-portrait is reproduced: "ALSO: KUBIN, SELBSBETRACHTUNG!!" Giger's youthful compostion also reminds one of Durer's Jerome in his Study: black and white, a skull (another severed head) and domed elements at left, a few props and bric-a-brac.
+
+Nor would this be the first time that Giger had cribbed predecessors. In Alien, it is known that the exterior of the alien spacecraft ultimately derives from Böcklin's Isle of the Dead (Hitler loved this painting), while the initial chestburster concept was a re-hash of the ugly chicken figures at the base of Bacon's Crucifixion.
+--- 21929488
+3/3
+--- 21929496
+>>21921759
+>>21921761
+
+Why not just put them all neatly in a single spot? (Yes, I have subsequently got Fall into Time and the two major English secondary works).
+--- 21929509
+>>21929486
+>he doesn't have Necronomicon I and II, and Biomechanics
+But I do have them, anon. I also have several Kubin books.
+Thank you for noticing!
+I personally I'm a big fan of pages 102 to 113 in www HR Giger com where he presents his collected paintings and there are things like Poumeyrol, Dado and Fuchs in it.
+--- 21929527
+>>21929509
+
+Neat!
+--- 21929548
+>>21929527
+They usually live on my oversize books shelf space (shared mainly with Arno Schmidt's typoscripts) though which is why they can't be with their friends on the edgy shelf.
+--- 21929622
+>>21929469
+I think I know you IRL.
+--- 21929658
+>>21929622
+Really? Give me a hint.
+--- 21929691
+>>21929658
+No.
+--- 21929730
+>>21929691
+--- 21929743
+>>21927996
+The Bronte comes with 'The Professor.' Nice
+--- 21929749
+>>21927657
+--- 21929805
+>>21929730
+I will deny it if you ask me.
+--- 21929942
+>>21929548
+what are those books on the top right?
+--- 21929949
+>>21929942
+That's the critical edition of Karl May. I kinda regret getting all of these (I have 59 volumes of it, after all) because the literary quality is unimaginably low but I also find them kinda neat regardless.
+--- 21930144
+Lifes good hobbesbros, been eatin well
+--- 21930153
+>>21930144
+>almost exclusively hardbacks
+Nice
+--- 21930162
+>>21930144
+>latro in the mist
+based. have you read soldier of sidon yet?
+--- 21930181
+>>21921346 (OP)
+1/2 - Spiritual material
+--- 21930182
+>>21930144
+You're that guy who's always posting his elephant hide LoTR editions.
+--- 21930194
+>>21930181
+2/2 - Other reading 
+>White 
+>2 weeks from 30
+>Straight
+>Married for 5 years, 10 year relationship total, 8 month-old baby has made me feel like a virgin again with how tough it is to have sex anymore
+--- 21930199
+>>21930162
+Nope haven't read that book yet actually, just got it in a couple weeks ago. Loved Book of the New Sun and haven't read anything else by him, its next on my list.
+
+>>21930182
+Nope thats not me, that lotr I have sucks, wouldn't recommend
+--- 21930204
+>>21921376
+I may not know much, but I know Moby Dick is not that big.
+--- 21930213
+>>21930204
+It's the old people with shit eyesight version. It's like 8 words a page.
+--- 21930217
+>>21921759
+The Magic Mountain. Very nice.
+--- 21930225
+>>21922361
+This shelf is ass and still full of itself.
+--- 21930227
+just my library while living in temporary exile, my library back home is bigger
+
+>>21929473
+I love those old orange penguins, but I imagine all the pages are just falling off by now
+
+>>21927996
+if only Everyman's Library didn't pick P&V translations for Dostoevsky...
+
+>>21922394
+Folger is based, but that Homer tome is worthy of scorn
+--- 21930235
+>>21922822
+Catholic bro meets Barnes and Noble. Did you know St. Thomas More's name is on a Communist monument in Red Square?
+
+The proto-Communist.
+--- 21930375
+>>21930227
+Tell me about, I've always preferred constance garnet. I didn't care for the house of the dead Everyman translation. It has more mechanical language and the hallmarks of an insignificant pedant.
+--- 21930379
+>>21922875
+This is one of the best shelves I've seen here, gives me hope and a drive towards improving mine own shelf, vielen danke
+--- 21930390
+>>21921346 (OP)
+Bookshelf: Don't got none.
+>Race:
+>Age:
+>Sexuality:
+>Virginity Status:
+None of your business, glownigger.
+--- 21930398
+>>21930379
+Post yours
+--- 21930490
+>>21930398
+I did, I have the Theodore Fontane 10 volume set
+--- 21930507
+>>21930490
+Oh noes, not the Fontane. Did you finish the Wanderungen?
+--- 21930576
+>>21921346 (OP)
+The Pill Book
+Ten To Zen
+>>21921353
+????
+>>21921376
+Can't Read it / Ben Hur
+>>21921381
+The Golden Chain of Homer
+>>21921429
+incredible shelf. I am jelly.
+>>21921436
+I'm skipping this one because of the figurines.
+>>21921584
+The Crusades
+Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
+>>21921678
+Can't read that shit.
+>>21921850
+A Portrait Of The Artist As a Young Man
+Donnie Brasco book.
+>>21922218
+really cool shelf
+The King's Two Bodies
+Synopsis of the Four Gospels
+Hagakure
+Plato Complete Works
+>>21922361
+Can't read that.
+>>21922409
+Martin Chuzzlewit
+>>21922585
+Reflections on the Revolution in France
+>The Implied Reader
+>>21923076
+Plutarch
+>>21924832
+The Art of Computer Programming vols 1 and 2.
+>>21925477
+KJV
+Douay Version
+THe Book of Common Prayer
+>>21925530
+The Possessed
+>>21925588
+Nice cat
+>>21925655
+Fasti
+The Annals
+Great Expectations
+>>21925836
+Ben Franklin
+>>21926808
+Nice
+>>21927001
+Paradise Lost
+>>21929496
+All Gall Is Divided
+>>21929548
+Walton Ford erect monkey penis book
+>>21930144
+Tao Te Ching translation?
+>>21930181
+Respect
+>>21930227
+The Oxford Handbook of The Bronze Age Pervert
+--- 21930627
+>>21930227
+Some of the penguins are in surprisingly good condition, but you're right about many of them falling apart. All still very much readable, though.
+--- 21930746
+>>21921770
+Most apt response in thread

lit/21921830.txt

@@ -306,3 +306,137 @@ So it's best to learn from their example and learn to live without them or view
 New Criticism isn't New Critical Theory son. New Criticism is modernist Americanism with text-as-discrete-object-of-analysis as priority and textuality within the text as central.
 New Criticism is modernist.
 Jesus fuck cunt you are dumb.
+--- 21927535
+>>21922433
+This made my woman hate five times stronger
+--- 21927546
+>>21921830 (OP)
+Madam Bovary.
+--- 21927550
+>>21923200
+The backdraw is these women tend to have more masculine traits overall which begs the question….
+--- 21927551
+>>21923233
+I know this in my bones to be true yet I can't accept it
+--- 21927554
+>>21925464
+To counter, what was feminist theory then? Did they actually expect to change the world for the better? Cause from what I see, swap the genders, change a few words around and up the political correctness and it reads like some shit Shulamith Firestone would write.
+--- 21927555
+>"in Minecraft" is no longer a defence
+I'm in trouble lads
+--- 21927682
+>>21927555
+Just switch to 'in terraria', faggot.
+--- 21927724
+>>21921830 (OP)
+--- 21927761
+>>21927550
+What question does it beg? (I'm assuming you mean 'raises the question', and not 'begs the question' as in 'assumes the conclusion'. I have no objection to language evolving, but it's annoying that there doesn't seem to be another good term for that fallacy.)
+--- 21928555
+>>21921830 (OP)
+Women have womb, men have coom.
+--- 21928566
+Women are just kids that need constant attention and gifts. They also like aesthetics. I don't know. They value similar things to you except that they have poor reasoning skills. In terms of why you might fail to get the woman you want, pick someone below you. You don't want a power imbalance as a man. You can always try to make them better. Woman are moldable.
+--- 21928567
+My most persistent fantasy is one in which I am at the mercy of two women.
+
+One is a hard dom -- exacting and sadistic bordering on cruel. She breaks me down physically and mentally, pegging me, whipping me, torturing me with eroticism until I'm a quivering mess lapping at her heels like a dog.
+
+Then she leaves and is replaced by the other woman -- a gentle dom. A woman who is overflowing with a maternal warmth and nurturing spirit. A woman who wishes to dote on me body and soul. She builds me up where the hard dom broke me down with lap pillows, nursing handjobs, mommyplay, headpats, 'good boys', etc. until my broken spirit is restored and I worship her like an angel who brings light into my life.
+
+Then she leaves and the hard dom returns.
+
+I'm caught in a maelstrom of domination where I'm systematically broken down and restored and broken down and restored until my very sense of self is lost. Until my identity hinges on these two women and their attentions. Until I can think of nothing else but pleasing one or being pleased by the other like a rutting domesticated animal.
+
+Pure bliss.
+--- 21928573
+>>21928567
+That actually sounds kinda hot, to tell the truth. Can I have your Discord?
+--- 21928594
+Eva Illouz - The End of Love
+
+But if you believe that women have a distinct nature (as in, from men), you're already beyond help.
+--- 21928783
+>>21922433
+>Women hate conflict
+Depends on the type of conflict. Women love social conflict. They love the social drama and the entertainment it brings. Some of them will try to make a man insecure so he stands up for himself in front of her and it turns her on. Women do not avoid conflict, in fact they engage in it if they think it can bring them more attention or sex or whatever regardless of its purpose. The conflict they hate is the conflict of actually making things better. That requires real work and energy.
+--- 21928802
+>Women do XX
+>Women like YY
+
+Holy shit this board is as hopeless as the rest of 4chan.
+--- 21928804
+>>21928567
+it's kinda funny how all men obsessed with female "doms" just want to get their asses fucked
+admit you're a faggot and fuck off, freak
+--- 21928859
+>>21928804
+Nothing gay about a man wanting to get fucked in the ass by a woman. 'Gay' refers to the fact that the person you're attracted to is of the same gender, not what you want to do with them.
+--- 21928869
+>>21921830 (OP)
+Imagine a Man who spends an extra 2hrs 53minutes playing with his face in a mirror each day, and imagine Men who all go to have a dump in a public toilet at the same time and value the experience of it as a high moment in their daily routine. Then imagine all of those Men are stared at hungrily and eagerly by 95% of all Women wherever they go, with Women buying things for them, holding door open for them, letting them go in front of them in lines, etc.
+
+Imagine that this is deeply unsatsifying and that more is wanted by such Men.
+
+Esther Vilar and Norah Vincent are good places to begin this quest, Opsposterman.
+--- 21928887
+>>21928783
+This is true. The easiest way to shut a Woman or a Child down is to force them into a situation where they have to do some work, they'll stop speaking and you won't hear from them for a while.
+
+buncha banana eating tree-singing fatsos
+
+>>21928859
+I wish you'd mention this to the transgenders; the majority of tranny porn involves being dominated and humiliated by a woman. I agree, it's 100% straight.
+
+>>21928567
+>>21928804
+Lately for me it's been to find big fat or ghetto black women beating up on bratty white women. This is not a paid advert for ZebraGirls.
+--- 21930163
+>>21926953
+--- 21930176
+the collected radio appearances of patrice o'neal
+--- 21930184
+>>21921830 (OP)
+there is really not that much difference personality wise between men and women so you may as well be asking "is there a book to understand men?"
+--- 21930229
+>>21930184
+>there is really not that much difference personality wise between men and women
+--- 21930234
+>>21921867
+Well, they might as well Hook up with a Man bc they started to love him
+(Bro thinks life is a novel)
+--- 21930236
+>>21930229
+There really isn't, and most of the people who are "confused by women." literally just fail to see that there really is not much difference between the genders in terms of personality
+--- 21930249
+>>21930236
+It's true that there are personality types which appear both in women and men. But it's also undeniable that there are cleqr diferentes between sexes. There s some kind of behaviour which it's natural to men and not to women and viceversa
+--- 21930349
+>>21930249
+I just honestly have to disagree but that is just my personal experience
+--- 21930364
+>>21930184
+Women are completely different from men, women and men are literally more similar respectively to little girls and little boys than they are to eachother. Women have a completely different experience of reality from what men have, it's almost purely sensuous and emotional. It's like a land animal trying to understand what it's like to be a sea creature, and the ocean is pure emotion and sensuosity. Women are immersed in it to such a degree that it's an entirely distinct environment. Women literally cannot think in straight lines of reasoning, or hold to principles. They don't know what principles are, they see people first and "situations" (made of people, which are made of feelings) first. So if you ask a woman what she would do if A happened, she would say B. And then when A happens an hour later, and she does something the opposite of B, she can't perceive a difference, because she's just "feeling" her way through what she wanted. 
+
+You as a man think she's being obtuse or unprincipled in not owning up to the fact that she "lied," but she literally doesn't perceive it as a lie. She can't think back to the past to when she said B, and then trace the line from B to the present not-B, and feel bad when she notices it's not a straight line but a crooked one. Crookedness is straightness for women from within their subjective experience.
+
+If you could have a woman's mind for 5 seconds you would probably feel like you were drunk, and extremely emotionally erratic like to the point that you would normally go see a doctor or something. But that's their normal state.
+--- 21930366
+>>21930364
+All this is empirically observable every second of the day by the way. Watch, the negative replies to this post will be personal, social, situational, contextual feelings-based, refer to feelings, refer to individual situations rather than principles. Look at any woman post on 4chan and it's the same. They refer to individuals, situations, social contexts, personalities, feelings, individual life consequences (you won't be happy if you do X). They literally cannot think in principled terms, or follow cold lines of reasoning.
+--- 21930372
+>>21930349
+The truth of the matter is so obvious that I do not even believe that you are sincere. I might believe that you were a woman, but I know better. There are no women on the internet.
+--- 21930538
+>>21930364
+There's also nothing wrong with that, emotions add richness to life and make it worth living. Stoic men need a sensual woman to make them whole.
+--- 21930783
+>>21923233
+Tldr:
+>women prefer hot sex to boring sex
+Shocker!
+--- 21930792
+>>21928567
+Posts like these are why 4chan is by far the best discussion space on the internet.
+No other website could have a guy just barge into a thread and post such a text, none.
+Thanks anon.

lit/21922118.txt

@@ -299,3 +299,237 @@ Nietzsche wasn’t a nihilist
 >>21927359
 He didn’t, he just showed that it didn’t have the effects some people were asserting, but he never proved it to be dysgenic. But even if the implementation as such wasn’t eugenic when it happened, banning it is a different question, since the social damage is already done.
 Total victory is all that matters, this won’t make you win in the long run
+--- 21927498
+>>21922118 (OP)
+he's just french. you suck cock though. nazi faggot bitch, gross
+--- 21927518
+>>21927268
+Catholics were getting mad at the BAP right because they want to abort black babies.
+
+Based Catholics: "Black Lives do actually Matter guys this is really serious"
+
+So what if BAP is a jew you fucking retards? His ideology is Nazism. He believes in Aryan supremacy. A bunch of leftists did an expose podcast on him and it just revealed that he has been based a far right neo nazi since university. His ex-professor interviewed said he has always been into Aryan history and eugenics.
+--- 21927522
+>>21927518
+what podcast?
+--- 21927530
+>>21927522
+Unbalanced.mn
+
+You can get it on Spotify
+
+The Leftist is called Logan Carrol his final two episodes were on BAP. He has some interviews with students and professors. The hosts are moralfags and difficult to listen to.
+--- 21927544
+>>21922118 (OP)
+I wish someone would write a book where Plato, Aristotle, Saint Augustine, Saint Paul, Cicero, Origen, etc. the "great Western minds of antiquity," are forced to comment on this shit.
+
+They're going to find very little that the "Western chauvinists" derive from them and lots of post-modern denials of absolute truth, knowledge divorced from social context, or non-relative moral values.
+
+I read like 30 pages of BAP again recently since I hadn't in years, and I'm also reading Augustine's Confessions. It is absolutely astounding that BAP is the older man, while the wisdom and maturity of the guy from millennia ago absolutely BTFOs him.
+--- 21927552
+>>21927544
+>One of the most famous philosophers of all time and a man considered a saint is more mature than the Twitter e-celeb targeting Zoomers with dating problems.
+Shocking.
+--- 21927553
+>>21927544
+Damn, the annonymous internet poster from our degraded age doesn't live up to the theologian who has been read preserved and appraised for a millennia and a half.
+
+His thinking is not really in the tradition of any of the names you mentioned. If you are a believing Christian it's not surprising you don't like him because it's mostly incompatible. The western thinkers of his tradition are pre socratics: (Heraclitus, Thrasymachus, Callicles), then Machiavelli, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Hitler.
+--- 21927579
+>>21927268
+no we actually just want to limit the number of low quality people in society. it's really as simple as that.
+--- 21928147
+>>21924065
+The psyop on the right is getting retards to accuse everyone involved with a popular patriarchal white nationalist movement of being a fed or a jew.
+--- 21928154
+>>21928147
+Shalom
+--- 21928166
+>>21928154
+Amen and allelujah to you too my friend.
+--- 21928180
+>>21928154
+"The jews are trying to subvert the west by importing the 3rd world"
+
+Let's ally with other black brown and asian christcucks to attack this movement thats main priority is closing the borders. This must be those stinking jews trying to close the borders to white countries.
+--- 21928611
+>>21927518
+>So what if BAP is a jew you fucking retards? His ideology is Nazism.
+what does that even mean? he will jump into the oven first?
+--- 21928615
+>>21927518
+so gay jews, or gay mexicans? those are my 2 extreme right wing options? kek
+--- 21928619
+>>21927579
+who cares what you want? you aren't even in control of your house
+--- 21928625
+>>21927518
+>So what if BAP is a jew you fucking retards? His ideology is Nazism
+
+You cannot be serious. That's a red flag for subversion and manipulation.
+--- 21928656
+I actually think he’s onto something with this. The freaks and degenerates on the other side are all sellouts marching in the streets for recognition and acceptance by society and institutional changes internal to the liberal regime. They may have drug-fueled gay sex rampages but they ultimately *want to be bourgeois* or already are bourgeois. Fascists could see this and say we are the avant-garde, our principles are our principles, we don’t want to be accepted and have our chuddiness compartmentalized and sanitized for usefulness to the liberal regime (ie go be a nazi by being a mercenary and fighting against Putler). That extremist energy and contempt for normalfags could steal the “radical personality type” people away from the left, though you might not want to touch those people. Still, I’m a chud and I can see some degenerates as based because they’re trying to impose their own forms on existence and are seemingly attempting to escape the matrix through neo-Bacchanalias and such
+--- 21928760
+>>21928656
+I think a key thing to take away is that in some sense it's not the time for an explicit pars construens alternative to the regime, the regime can hire swarms of thinktank-based drooling rodents like journalists and intellectuals to neutralize any constructive attempts to oppose its course, you are simply severely outgunned in a direct face to face.
+The current predicament of the west, to use an alchemical image, was brought about by the use of copious amount of solvent used to deconstruct the old order. It worked, the line didn't hold, but your enemy now ideally wants to absorb that solvent away and build a new line and fortification, the coagula phase. At worst, you can attempt to not let it do this, snatch the solvent yourself and use it against the regime charmers, use the same weaponized tactical nihilism, it's cheap after all and they used it first.
+--- 21928763
+>>21928625
+>>21928611
+One of his parents or one of his grand parents are Jewish. You could say he is obviously a europhilic Jew if he is a Jew at all. He admires and identifies with the European right wing tradition. Other examples could be Curtis Yarvin, Paul Gottfried and Zemmour who are all Jews that support white ethno-nationalism.
+
+Advocating for white nationalism is not subversion when the goal is white nationalism. Allying with coloured Christians against Jewish allies is subversion of white nationalism. The Nazi party accepted many 1/4 Jews as Germans. The problem with Jews is that they identify themselves as a foreign ethnic group and don't assimilate - if you got them to stop practicing the culture within your country they would mix and forget where they came from.
+
+BAP is an excellent propagandist for the hard right wing European/Aryan tradition and has a good understanding of the history. What would he be subverting? He is arguing for the philosophy of a white dominated world. 
+
+He is subversive of Christianity but imo Christianity is part of the problem - at least as it is understood today. The religion will always advocate for the coloured hordes because it orients it self towards the poorest, weakest, and most broken people.
+--- 21928814
+>>21928763
+Sounds kosher to me, stupid bonehead.
+--- 21928871
+>>21928763
+to me it just sounds like a gay guy with a nordic fetish
+--- 21928877
+I would sacrifice my race is a heartbeat if it meant the end of that infernal, despicable (((race))). Literal incarnations of an unholy abyssal darkness. Shouldn't have even survived.
+--- 21928926
+>>21922132
+>no real vision of the future, no ambition for wielding power.
+Because power in this world is worthless and the only "future" humanity has or deserves is a slow and painful death. Only an idiot tries to have a positive effect on society.
+--- 21928931
+>>21922564
+In this society? Whatever you get will be the vilest trash imaginable. Don't be retarded.
+--- 21928933
+>>21928926
+This. I'm planning to write a book on something similar.
+--- 21928935
+>>21922118 (OP)
+This retard has never read Mishima or Celine. He’s just a retarded romanian jew who reads papers defending neoliberalism
+--- 21928973
+>>21928763
+>He admires and identifies with the European right wing tradition
+>He is arguing for the philosophy of a white dominated world
+No, that's at best wishful thinking but more likely just taking advantage of people not actually being familiar with him. There is nothing "European" nor "White" in or about his drivel. Or himself for that matter. Hell, not even in his name. Nor his accent. It's all purely Jewish marketing (as obvious from his well-stocked Wikipedia) shock-value to, in his own words, attract low-IQs fascinated by the eternal new and exotic. Quintessential Judeo-BBC brainwashing.
+
+>Allying with coloured Christians against Jewish allies is subversion of white nationalism
+And this is the typical projection of accusing others of what you yourself are doing. Who, again, is shilling for Eurasianism? Who is openly siding with and promoting as saviors the non-Europeans hordes who have defiled half of Europe and are now, shockingly, back to their typical behavior of ethnic cleansing and replacing with non-native hordes to dilute to population for easier control? Who is encouraging those raging on about the new multi-polar world, specifically against the fascist, colonial, White-domination?
+
+>The religion will always advocate for the coloured hordes because it orients it self towards the poorest, weakest, and most broken people.
+The religion was the foundational strength of the poor, weak and broken people who fought for their kin against invaders. The same who are now fighting against the subversion tactics who try to paint it like you do, as if it's some gay proto-communist movement. But making a straw-man about it won't change anything.
+--- 21929187
+>>21928973
+Jew always bad is low IQ. It would be like me supporting white communists who should all get the bullet.
+
+You are right on the Russian question, it's difficult. No BAPist supports Russians sending Mongolians into Ukraine. The Russians could be useful as barbarians that force the Western World to get serious again. Also it is part of this world view that war is generally eugenic and good because it determines who is superior. The white man's real advantage over the rest of the world is his dominance in war. While there are Nazis in Ukraine they are mostly controlled by the US empire and not a real threat. The war could be good for the right win no matter the result. It reestablishes the importance of white men for violence and the hard right may take power in both countries. Also within Russia it's complicated. Russians are just as racist as we are. BAP opposes all the much colonialism muh oppresion stuff coming out of Russia, hopefully it is mostly cynical on Russia's part.
+
+As for Christianity I don't think there is any compromise here. No right wing political movement gunning for votes can be openly opposed to it because it is central to so many of our nations. However, all of the equality rhetoric such as we are all born equal comes from Christianity. The Romans and Greeks did not believe in equality, they believed in eugenics and the development of the highest type of men. Christianity was like an SJW movement in Rome. It is the religion of women and slaves. There is no sanction for racism in Christianity "no Jew or Greek in christ". Christian organisations encourage and fund the refugee movements into white countries. The religion is increasingly ridiculous and fewer of our people believe in it. We should take ownership of moral relativism and mockery of the pieties of the current ruling ideology, which is what the Celine discourse is about.
+--- 21929211
+>>21928619
+what
+--- 21929212
+>>21928763
+>The problem with Jews is that they identify themselves as a foreign ethnic group and don't assimilate - if you got them to stop practicing the culture within your country they would mix and forget where they came from.
+Translation:
+Mixing with Jews is fine!
+Kys, philosemitic trash.
+--- 21929263
+>>21929212
+I'm not in favour of mixing with any group. There is no upgrade. They should all be expelled at best. I was making a point about why Jews have been particularly harmful as compared with like the Arabs in Spain or the swarthy Sicilians.
+--- 21929278
+>>21929263
+No, you're making the point about why you should compromise or cuck to Jews to achieve your geopolitical aspirations, even though Jews were responsible for this mess to a large degree.
+Disingenuous faggot.
+--- 21929303
+>>21929278
+Are you cucking to all the other races when you ally with them against white nationalism? BAP can die if these ideas take power for all I care. It is the strategy and philosophy that's correct.
+--- 21929315
+>>21929303
+Making Faustian bargains with Jews never turns out well, knuckle-head.
+You literally think and talk like a subhuman. Recommend necking yourself.
+--- 21929385
+>>21928871
+>nordic fetish
+You are brown.
+--- 21929403
+>>21929212
+the jewish problem's origins lies precisely in the christogolem attitude towards them, keeping them in a limbo as pariahs yet safe from annihilation, only contributing to the cementing of their extraordinary ethnic self-interested force of gravity and arms-race towards cutting edge psychic warfare(since their numbers didn't allow them to compete in physical warfare)
+absorbing them straightforwardly would have completely and utterly solved the problem just as much as killing them all like cathars, complete dilution = destruction
+--- 21929405
+>>21928763
+>>21929187
+Lmao. I am a normie centrist type, but BAP was always openly toying with the idea of some sort of vague transracial alliance against the Left, this wignat turn feels more like a cope for the recent "BAP is a jew!" thing mixed with counter Fuentes signaling, hence why he going on hysterical rants about the impending 2nd Bantu expansion(all caused by an anti-abortion bill that haven't even gone to vote in Florida, btw), and it becomes even more retard when you look it up and see him mocking that exact type of logic a year ago. Honestly the online, self-styled "dissident right" as a whole have become this bizarre shitshow for several months by now(it was always shit to begin with, but was still marginally better than its current iteration), with its complete inability to understand the Ukraine war, embarrassingly bad attempts at 2012 style /pol/ collapse infographics, stale humor, and nonsensical takes(seeing fucking Mikka whining about how he is worried about the rise of an AI-assisted, Gattaca-style genetically engineered elite while he remains a normie on UBI as well was doing unironically generation zyklon takes was legitimately surreal).
+--- 21929410
+>>21929405
+>I am a normie centrist type
+excellent way to stop anyone from reading your verbal diarrhea, good strategy
+--- 21929413
+Mental illness: the thread.
+--- 21929461
+>>21929403
+>Let's just race mix with Jews, goyim
+Please just stfu already. Might as well absorb all of the Somalians too, retard.
+Jews are literally the worst race on this planet. You can't get lower than a Jew. The fact you have to make Faustian bargains with them shows you're a weak and pathetic faggot.
+--- 21929476
+>>21929461
+you are completely mentally parasitized by jews and you don't even notice: your type is exactly what Nietzsche was warning about and boy he was spot on
+you make jews more into superpower-having, literal infallible deities than they actually are; a jew is an half Roman peasant, half judaean inbred/bottlenecked type that grew into what it is today precisely because that's how christians in Europe shaped them; one could say christians created their ashkenazim nemesis with their own hands and sweat by taking this utterly minuscule minority that would've been totally absorbed like the countless other minorities whose names we don't even remember and making into a fetish/totem to hate-love
+you are the jew's best chance to never have to worry about disappearing, they already own copious amounts of real estate in your head at worse
+--- 21929503
+>>21929476
+Blah blah.
+What I got from your pseudointellectual garbage: "Whitie shaped the Jews! Whitie should have mixed with them more! Please work with Jew and make more bargains ;)"
+It's obvious that you're mixed a bit with Jews yourself.
+--- 21929505
+>>21929476
+kek
+--- 21929511
+>>21929503
+duuuude you are so right, one time a jew showed up in my town, hurled a thundering lighting bolt and killed 150 gentiles (as well as deafening those close to him) in one single instant, gotta watch out for them, they are dangerous very powerful beings
+--- 21929545
+BAP is a humiliation ritual. And through this lens, all that he spouts, makes perfect sense.
+
+You wouldn't take seriously a man with an unkempt appearance, in dirty attire. His lack of self-respect instinctively makes you wary. The same lack of self-respect found in one who consistently writes poorly and does not improve his grammar and orthography, ultimately a sign of disrespect towards the reader. 
+Confronted with a strong foreign accent, signalling the speaker is not part of your group (or a civilized one, for that matter) nor does he have much of a desire to, in any healthy individual, a healthy distrust arises.
+
+So who could ignore basic common-sense and take heed? Essentially the self-hating. The cucks. The weak who'd bend over to any strong daddy figure for crumbs and front-row seats. 
+To voluntarily subject oneself to such bastardization is nothing short of sacrificing your (and through you, your peoples') authentic self on the altar of globalism and multiculturalism you claim to despise.
+--- 21929559
+>>21929511
+Way to reveal yourself, Shlomo.
+Don't think I don't know your psyops game.
+Jews are even worse than Pakistanis, and that's saying a lot. You will never make the far right fully kosher.
+--- 21929563
+>>21929405
+I'm interested in examples of how he was courting the poc?
+--- 21929573
+>>21929559
+idk man I'd say they are even worse than Thanos
+--- 21929594
+There surely has to be a middle path between BAP's poorly disguised Zionism and TRS's all-consuming obsession with Jews.
+--- 21929609
+>>21929563
+There was an article on the american sun(?) which he talked about a vague "colored" pro-Trump alliance against the left, but I don't have it so I will admit that what I am saying is basically "dude trust me" tier. That said, I agree with the overall idea that engaging BAP "seriously" is fundamentally a waste of time.
+--- 21929616
+The solution is to drop the whole left vs right bullshit and get rid of (((them))) first and foremost.
+--- 21929623
+>>21929563
+Ignoring the fact that he's a Jew? All of the stuff about supporting Kanye as MAN OF POWER, and the whole "LatinX Putler". Which, let's face it, isn't much because BAP isn't much. BAP is just something that Costin does for fun. "BAP" is a tool towards certain ends. If BAP and Costin seem contradictory, just look at where BAP leads, which is what Costin wants. The path that you take to the goal is irrelevant, it only matters that you reach the goal. If Costin has to shitpost on twitter to get people to vote for Zionists, he will.
+--- 21930505
+>>21927579
+>2000 years of Christianity in Europe
+>no mass migration or degeneracy
+
+>75 years of Atheism in Europe
+>mass migration, degeneracy, entire cities now African enclaves.
+--- 21930583
+>>21929594
+The middle path is letting the Jews having their own homeland but not letting them behave like Jews on the worldstage. HItler even talked about it before the formation of Israel happened; it would just turn into the operating base of international gangsters, which it has. Israel does not obey extradition treaties.
+--- 21930638
+>>21929187
+>Jew always bad is low IQ
+they aren't bad, but they should have as much say about Europe or the US as a Pakistani or a Nigerian, BAP can go play games in the middle east as much as he wants, but he should STFU about america and europe
+--- 21930640
+>>21930583
+if he was to have his own homeland, why is BAP not shutting up about what europe and america should do? sounds like he wants to be in charge here on top of a population that is not his own, rather than have his own country for his own people
+--- 21930803
+>>21930505
+.

lit/21922275.txt

@@ -304,3 +304,95 @@ No not yet
 --- 21926315
 >>21926167
 u just described a life that is over 9000 times more exciting and fulfilling than the one u are currently living
+--- 21927607
+>>21925898
+That's a gross exaggeration. Out of the entire book, Krakauer spends one 15 page chapter talking about his McCandless-esque experience.
+--- 21927655
+>>21925653
+it's not romantic unless you are a bohemian trust fund vagina. the only thing the moron shows is that atheists are dead inside and they have no clue what to do in their life.
+And his pathetic death shows also atheist 20 year-old are utterly braindead. At least his death is funny.
+--- 21927861
+>>21927655
+Shut up you colossal pussy. Its capital R Romantic. Like relating to Romanticism. You have heard of that, haven't you you fucking retard? He wasn't an Atheist, either. God, I wish I could walk around like you, sharing the IQ of the protagonist from Flowers for Algernon. 
+
+>>21927607
+You're right. I was exaggerating. It's only 22 pages from a 200 page book. Keep in mind, however, that 14 pages are dedicated to Everett Ruess, or the chapter just before, which has 13 pages dedicated to random bums and vagabonds (one of whom, it's worth noting, is a guy Krakauer met himself and he needs to tell his completely unremarkable story about running into this suicidal hippy). Even the parts about McCandless often dip into Krakauer relating to the boy. I understand why, as the story doesn't have enough information to fill a book, but his musings on the topic never penetrate the surface. Any conversation he does engage in usually ends up as a comparison between the two, which is more idyllic than it ought to be. This leads to a book where you get the sense that the author is really mourning his past self more than he is the person he spent all the time researching, and as I said before, Chris has a great story buried beneath all the self-fellatio Krakauer engages in. It's just a shame, is all. A good writer, hell, even a playwright, could have made the story into an icon for the modern American-- a work with staying power that shows how far the nation has come from it's "intellectual declaration of independence."
+--- 21928097
+>>21927861
+It's not a novel, it's non-fiction so entirely appropriate for Krakauer to relate his own experiences. He does it even better in his book about climbing Mt. Everest, which is also recommendable.
+
+Seriously, is there a better writer than Krakauer for this kind of stuff? I can't think of anybody who does it better.
+--- 21928119
+>>21922275 (OP)
+>be narcissistic kid
+>run off into wilderness
+>eat poison mushrooms and die
+The End
+--- 21928204
+>>21928097
+Nibba, did you just try to inform me that the book is nonfiction? Obviously he reflects more in HIS book about HIS Everest climb. Here, let's do an exercise. Point to a single passage in Into the Wild in which Krakauers writing is the least bit impressive. Anything that evokes a feeling. There's very little because he's not a great writer. The emotional force of the book comes solely from Chris' adventure. Another writer could have told the story better, and fleshed out the ideas more completely
+--- 21928585
+>>21926315
+>u just described a life that is over 9000 times more exciting and fulfilling than the one u are currently living
+I dont need my life to be exciting. why do you think that is something to be proud of? im sure anne frank's life was "exciting" in your eyes but I sure as hell wouldnt want to be her
+
+>As anne was shoved into the cattle car with people who look like extended family members she thought to herself "Gee wont anons think my life is exciting when they find my diary! Golly I am glad my life isnt mundane because that would be horrible!"
+--- 21928596
+>>21928585
+>I dont need my life to be exciting
+That's why you will never be a writer, an artist, an adventurer or will ever do anything worthwhile.
+
+You are destined to consume and die. And that's okay, perfectly okay. But nothing to be proud of.
+--- 21928606
+>>21922275 (OP)
+McCandless was the equivalent to today's redditors who went to go fight for Ukraine. A retarded idealist with no skills to back it up.
+--- 21928613
+>>21922275 (OP)
+He was another trustie who misinterpreted Thoreau and fucking died in the most painful way possible because of it. Rest in piss
+--- 21928622
+>>21928606
+>>21928613
+
+I hope you faggots realize that if he didn't die, there wouldn't be a book. Nobody would have heard of him.
+
+He achieved immortality to a far greater extent than any of you are going to.
+--- 21928629
+>>21928622
+Who said I want immortality, you narcissistic fucker?
+--- 21928636
+>>21928596
+>You are destined to consume and die. And that's okay, perfectly okay. But nothing to be proud of.
+someones mad
+--- 21928639
+>>21927861
+I actually think that the chapter on Everett Ruess and the chapter talking about those vagabonds are highly valuable to the work. Krakauer's intention by including these stories was to demonstrate that McCandless was not a completely unique phenomenon. You're right that Krakauer often comments on how he relates to McCandless, but with the exception of his chapter, it's always in passing, and on top of this, he even apologizes for doing so. To be honest, I've never understood those who think that Krakauer is a narcissist just because he takes time to reflect on himself. And besides, Krakauer is a skilled writer, and he did make the story into an icon for the modern American. The book has had staying power. Krakauer's book actually fulfills the parameters you've set.
+--- 21928772
+>>21928639
+We have different opinions, but you conveniently left out my request for a single evocative paragraph.
+--- 21929145
+>>21928772
+Nobody has read the book in like twenty years.
+--- 21929338
+>>21929145
+Because its not good, anon
+--- 21929692
+>>21929338
+It sold 30 million copies and has been translated into dozens of languages
+--- 21929710
+>>21924103
+>>21924167
+>>21925880
+>>21927655
+>>21927861
+>>21928772
+>replying to tripfags
+Shame!
+--- 21930028
+>>21929692
+Look at the top 10 songs playing right now on the radio and tell me it's music with a lot of artistic merit
+--- 21930029
+>>21922275 (OP)
+the book is about Krakauer not Chris
+--- 21930073
+>>21929710
+I'm here to discuss books. I dont care about anything else

lit/21922828.txt

@@ -178,3 +178,72 @@ I don't think the market is as big for self published youth books even if that s
 Youths generally get their books through layers of middle men and gatekeepers. They don't buy books directly from authors themselves.
 
 Libraries, school boards, and parents groups aren't really going to go out of their way to buy hundreds of copies of some independent self published book from some random dude like they will of something put out and pre-approved by a major publishing house.
+--- 21928125
+>>21926869
+if profit was removed from writing, most of the lowest quality books would disappear. it would improve the industry. all those low effort schlock books pumped out in a week to milk cash from retards? they'd all vanish. same with things like celebrity ghostwritten biographies and orange man bad rags.
+--- 21928485
+>>21926405
+>female
+>They don't have dicks to suck.
+think i just figured out why you can't get published, chud
+--- 21928713
+>>21928125
+If profit was removed from writing writers both good and bad would move on to other industries and books as a industry would die.
+
+Do you really think good writters just write for themselves and don't care if they have no audience or gain any compensation for their craft?
+--- 21928720
+>>21928485
+Why did you bother posting that?
+You don't believe it, and it wasn't funny.
+I don't see the point.
+--- 21928736
+>>21928720
+tired after eating too much. killing time waiting for food to go down. i must make this everybody's problem.
+--- 21928746
+>>21928713
+>Do you really think good writters just write for themselves
+Yes. You're nothing but an intellectually bereft, soulless prostitute. Don't project your immorality upon others.
+--- 21929626
+>>21928746
+>If you need to work for a living you're immoral
+Epic take bro
+--- 21929760
+>>21928713
+Yes. YES.
+You are a stooge.
+--- 21929771
+>>21928746
+>>21929760
+>No argument
+>Only insults
+
+Humans don't work without incentives. Even animals require incentives to do much of anything.
+Writers aren't magical beings that don't require any sort of incentive nor are they beings bereft of physical needs.
+
+Or do you think the value of writing so low that it shouldn't be compensated?
+--- 21929806
+I think this chart is sort of bullshit in the sense that someone who makes $1 is in the same group as someone who makes $4,999 dollars.
+--- 21929810
+>>21929771
+Sure, writers can get paid for their work, and people can write to the market to make money.
+It doesn't change the fact that art cannot exist in its purest form when touched by either money or politics.
+>hur dur all art is political
+That is not what I mean by this.
+--- 21929867
+>>21929806
+Hybrid chads are killing it desu
+--- 21929870
+>>21929810
+>Art is some airy fairy magical bullshit thing because I say so
+How about you actually prove it rather than thinking I am going to take the opinions of some random anon as unquestionable holy gospel.
+--- 21929878
+>>21929806
+How is hybrid defined in that chart?
+--- 21929890
+>>21929878
+people who both self published and traditionally published. 
+>>21929867
+Of course they'd be doing better, because traditional publishers only pick up wildly successful self published books like 50 Shades of Grey and The Martian.
+--- 21929911
+>>21929890
+Self publishing Chads have much better margins as well. Becoming undeniably successful self publishing, publishing a traditional book to secure your legacy/legitimize yourself, then going back to self publishing for that extra $$$ is probably the ideal route in this day and age.

lit/21923046.txt

@@ -291,3 +291,84 @@ agh, sounds like I need to read it
 --- 21927213
 >>21923046 (OP)
 best aot girl
+--- 21927460
+>>21924436
+>So then, go and eat your bread with rejoicing, and drink your wine with gladness. For your works are pleasing to God.
+>Let your garments be white at all times, and let not oil be absent from your head.
+>Enjoy life with the wife whom you love, all the days of your uncertain life which have been given to you under the sun, during all the time of your vanity. For this is your portion in life and in your labor, with which you labor under the sun.
+>Whatever your hand is able to do, do it earnestly. For neither work, nor reason, nor wisdom, nor knowledge will exist in death, toward which you are hurrying.
+(9:7-10)
+Ecclesiastes is only "sad" if you never got past the first two chapters, or if you're a materialist that thought seeking perverse amounts of riches or engaging in wanton hedonism would bring you happiness.
+--- 21927597
+>>21927460
+good point
+
+but op said he wanted catharsis
+didn't want to make someone's life even worser
+hence ecclesiastes
+--- 21928138
+>>21927597
+Fair, good recommendation then.
+--- 21928653
+>>21924706
+
+That wasn't the first post
+--- 21928730
+>>21925491
+god damn it
+--- 21928741
+>>21923547
+he's cumming anon
+--- 21928810
+>>21923046 (OP)
+Peter Pan
+--- 21928841
+>>21925491
+do you know how old he was when the accident happened?
+--- 21928917
+>>21928841
+Looks like he was 30-31. 
+He was starting law school late. Not that there's a good time to become a quad, but that's a bad time to become a quad.
+--- 21929286
+>>21928917
+that's brutal
+--- 21929359
+1984
+--- 21929397
+>>21929286
+Well yeah. Its 2arms1head. 
+Its a brutal as a flaming hurricane of dogshit on christmas.
+--- 21929415
+>>21923051
+Hard to say, her writer is an angry illiterate
+--- 21929683
+>>21923046 (OP)
+'The Fifth Child' by Doris Lessing
+'Stoner' by John Williams 
+'Train Dreams' by Denis Johnson 
+'The Ballad of the Sad Cafe' Carson McCullers
+'Amongst Women' by John Mcgahern 
+'Wuthering Heights' by Emily Bronte
+'On Chesil Beach' by Ian McEwan
+'A life' by Guy De Maupassant 
+'Behind the scenes at the Museum' by Kate Atkinson 
+'The Great Gatsby' by F. Scott Fitzgerald
+'The Red Pony' by John Steinbeck
+'To Kill a Mockingbird' by Harper Lee
+'Hadji Murat' by Leo Tolstoy 
+'Reasons for Living' by Dimitri Bakin
+--- 21929725
+>>21923046 (OP)
+pic rel destroyed me as a child (still does)
+
+also nordic children literature in general are really good at ripping your heart out and tearing it intoa thousand pieces, especially H C Andersen and Astrid Lindgren's work.
+--- 21929991
+>>21929359
+i really liked this. Listened to it on audio, and at the climax of the story, I shut myself in my room, turned off all the lights, and just listened to Winston get tortured in pure black darkness. It was an experience...
+
+>>21929683
+>>21929725
+thanks
+--- 21930156
+>>21926228
+It's a definitely a fuller work than the movie. You experience a wider spectrum of intense emotions than the movie, which is mostly just straight up depressing (IMO the book actually manages to be more depressing if you can imagine that). The book has more to it also because of Selby's unique prose style, which is very animated and visceral like I said. It's an experience like no other.

lit/21923195.txt

@@ -270,3 +270,76 @@ well that's just simply a delusional perspective, doomer
 --- 21927384
 >>21926553
 maybe this really is the American Century
+--- 21927395
+>>21926373
+no, its going to be peaceful.
+Its just that peace isnt automatically a good thing despite what everyone always assumes everywhere
+
+its going to be one powerful individual suppressing everyone else. There will never be a conflict because they are all powerful and to oppose them is entirely useless
+--- 21927403
+>>21926553
+Wasn't the 20th century the American Century? Why are you americans so greedy as to want two centuries to be your century?
+--- 21928690
+>>21923195 (OP)
+what is wrong exactly? you're a subject in a functioning society.
+--- 21928705
+>>21928690
+>functioning society
+If you mean a low trust society where young people have no future
+--- 21928729
+>>21928705
+It really is something else how much westerners take their society for granted
+--- 21928739
+>>21928729
+It’s entire economic structure is in the verge of re-serfing everyone
+--- 21928775
+>>21928739
+two more weeks
+--- 21928815
+>>21928775
+Shut up faggot, the entire US economy is already oligopolized and controlled by the financial industry
+--- 21928862
+>>21928729
+Yeah, we should be real grateful to live in a decaying crime ridden shithole where housing is unaffordable and you can fall into 6 figure debt for getting sick
+--- 21929025
+>>21928862
+It could be improved but it could also be a whole lot worse, and the west still has it unbelievably better than most of the world AND history. Tired of this ridiculous propaganda saying otherwise. You should be grateful you can get an education, have easy access to information, food, water, shelter, a vote, etc. At the very least.
+--- 21929030
+>>21928729
+The only reason we have a society is because we also have standards. Stick to your shithole and don't give out advice.
+--- 21929035
+>>21929025
+>muh vote
+--- 21929038
+>>21929035
+based propagandoor. Voting means nothing, having a voice means nothing democracy bad yes!
+--- 21929323
+>>21923195 (OP)
+>peace dividend
+>turns out the Cold War never ended in absence of a Nuremberg 2 for the Soviets and Red Chinese
+Naivete, nescience, and consoomer cooms. The only selection pressure for the so called 'elite' strata and its circulation is commercial, kakistocratic oligarchy goading anarcho-tyrranical ochlocracy is the consequence which remains superficially distinguished from ComIntern depredations and social organization. In essense: the Nuremberg Regime is the Siamese Twin of the Baby Boomer generation, and the latter's senescence will take the former down with it into the dregs of world history We're in a holding pattern unless and until virtuous application of lawful force against a panopoly of vice and criminality can be practiced again, you know history as such The current contendings are for the terms and conditions for space exploration and exploitation. That cannot be achieved while looking over our shoulders at geopolitical rivals.
+--- 21929693
+>>21929038
+--- 21929715
+>>21929025
+>Fluoride brain boomer actually believes that people in the third world don't have fresh water or internet
+Lmfao. You're an idiot and a domesticated house nigger.
+--- 21930092
+>>21923378
+California is a nearly failed state, look at the migration flows in the US, they're leaving ur progressive paradise for some reason
+
+demographics? so Chicago and Atlanta are a model for the future successful city?
+
+libs are driven by pure narrative delusion, which is why they need to publish cope books to pat themselves on the back like OP's pic related. 'Wisdom of crowds' is one of the most unsubtle and worse of these self-satisfied, hugbox books, that deflect all blame in a 'how could we have known we just do what we're told!' way while supporting establishment licentiousness because they mean oh so well and are oh so smart for watching tv news and oh so moral for being conspicuously virtuous for their friends
+
+these people don't live in reality, and their opinion is worth nothing since its contrived from a preferred narrative
+--- 21930119
+>>21923378
+Why do they keep talking about how they want to drastically lower everyone's standard of living and force them to eat bugs all the time?
+--- 21930130
+>>21929025
+>the west still has it unbelievably better than most of the world AND history
+I think that most of the world and history would regard state sponsored campaigns to castrate children as a worse situation than what they had.
+--- 21930365
+>>21930130
+Most people never even had the option of being castrated before puberty or giving their children meth so they didn't have to raise them. For millions of years humanity was forced to live meaningful lives in close knit communities where everyone knew everyone their actions had consequences, and that's a terrible thing. Go to sleep anon.

lit/21923762.txt

@@ -196,3 +196,78 @@ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Books_of_the_Western_World
 >wide shoulders
 >narrow hips
 uhhhh
+--- 21927558
+>>21925556
+
+Selling them later
+--- 21927640
+>>21923817
+>she's a whore with very bad taste
+so you're saying i have a chance?
+--- 21927644
+>>21925630
+Severely underrated. Wow.
+--- 21927648
+>>21923773
+...and after many years of reading all those books, OP became a total moron, capable of reciting what he's read, but not think for himself...
+--- 21927649
+>>21925630
+I don't get it.
+--- 21928075
+>>21925630
+lmao
+--- 21928086
+>>21925630
+Kek
+--- 21928165
+>>21925630
+lmao
+--- 21928249
+I don't get it.
+--- 21928541
+>>21923762 (OP)
+>read 1000 books
+no thanks. i think i'll stick to Tom Clancy novels.
+--- 21929492
+I have a great answer that would be very helpful to you, moreso than the other links posted so far, but I won't post it because you are a lover of pornography and will never make good use of such things anyways.
+--- 21929537
+>>21925634
+The *girl* in the op is quite literally an underaged teenager
+--- 21929634
+>>21923762 (OP)
+>dresses like this
+>doesn't want males to look
+I'll never understand women. Do they secretly like it?
+--- 21929654
+>>21928541
+>"All rules for study are summed up in this one: learn only in order to create." Shelling
+--- 21929655
+>>21923762 (OP)
+I haven't been reading at all,I work there and all but no reading all working day. Only 4chan and all
+--- 21929720
+>>21929634
+yes. They also like it when you choke them and call them a slut. But they pretend they don't. Life is a faggy game to them
+--- 21929766
+>>21929492
+>you have a magical link/answer better than Bloom’s Western canon list
+Oh yeah and I have a girlfriend but I won’t show you pictures of her and she goes to another school
+--- 21929776
+>>21929537
+Nah. I know an old crone when i see one.
+--- 21929780
+>>21929634
+What don't you understand? They want some men to look, but not others.
+--- 21929973
+>>21923846
+Homosexuals go after the flesh. Its emasculating to let yourself be controlled by an impulse.
+--- 21930099
+>>21929766
+Sorry bro, I already fucked her.
+--- 21930442
+>>21923762 (OP)
+That's a man, innit?
+--- 21930643
+>>21928541
+what's the Tom Clancy boomer-canon?
+--- 21930651
+>>21923762 (OP)

lit/21923907.txt

@@ -125,3 +125,23 @@ It's clear any man can embrace & appreciate a young male youth. You are prob
 --- 21927070
 >>21926108
 Do whatever you want dude I don't give a shit. The point is you're making claims regarding NIETZSCHES positions that are untrue. Whatever you want for yourself I couldn't care less
+--- 21928178
+>>21926525
+>Point invalid since only 0.00001% look like that and all of them are gay
+What the fuck are you talking about
+--- 21929190
+>>21923983
+True
+--- 21929444
+>>21929190
+>impotent to tell what is wrong exactly with herd animals banding together and overwhelming their pastor.
+1. The herd animals DO NOT band together, you dumb animal. It is the "their pastor" that gets too crippled by self-mutilation, so that he is rendered impotent.
+2. Physiology. Resentment and ascetism lead one on a parabolic trajectory, at first stimulating one's intelligence, but in high dosages it becomes incompatible with life.
+
+" 'if your eye offends you, pluck it out': fortunately, Christians do not follow this rule. Nowadays, to destroy the passions and desires just to guard against their stupidity and its unpleasant consequences strikes us as itself a particularly acute form of stupidity. We have stopped admiring dentists who pluck out people's teeth just to get rid of the pain ... But it is reasonable to admit that the idea of 'spiritualizing the passions' could never have arisen on the soil where Christianity grew. It is well known that the first church even fought against the 'intelligent' for the sake of the 'poor in spirit' : how could we expect it to have waged an intelligent war on the passions? - The church combats the passions by cutting them off in every sense: its technique, its 'cure', is castration. It never asks: 'how can a desire be spiritualized, beautified, deified?' - it has always laid the weight of its discipline on eradication (of sensuality, of pride, of greed, of the thirst to dominate and exact revenge). - But attacking the root of the passions means attacking the root of life: the practices of the church are hostile to life..."
+
+"The same methods - castration, eradication - are instinctively chosen by people whose wills are too weak and degenerate to exercise any restraint in a struggle against a desire <...> - Incidentally, this hostility, this hatred, reaches its climax only when natures like this do not even have enough strength to adopt this radical cure and renounce their 'devil' . Looking through the whole history of priests and philosophers (and artists as well): it is not the ascetics or the impotent who say the most poisonous things about the senses, it is the impossible ascetics, people who really should be ascetics .."
+--- 21929595
+>>21929444
+>the strong gets weak enough to get fucked by the angry herds
+K. Nothing to refute what the OP said.

lit/21923946.txt

@@ -173,3 +173,25 @@ Lyotard
 --- 21927376
 >>21924259
 Phonics works the same in any accent, dipshit. Boston teachers using phonics to teach Boston kids, or Kiwi teachers teaching Kiwi kids, it makes no difference.
+--- 21927402
+>>21925924
+The worst teacher I ever had was a dude.
+
+The fucked up thing was despite him being so extremely shit that the principal had to come in and teach classes for him to make sure we actually covered the material needed to keep test scores up (it was a major focus of that particular school) they still literally couldn't fire him for incompetents due to the union structure and a bunch of other bullshit that had nothing to do with educational quality and everything to do with insulating teachers from responsibility and accountability.
+
+It took months to remove another teacher that was caught molesting kids from payroll. She was getting paid 2 years while still on leave going through court despite getting caught in the act by another teacher on school property molesting a 4th grader. And the only reason the court thing was dragged out so long is every time they tried to make a deal a new victim would come forward. So yes she was a serial abuser that eventually got something like 20 years in total.
+Still couldn't stop paying her until she was finally in prison and convinced.
+
+
+My point is the public school system is corrupt garbage that has more issues than just being full of women.
+The whole system need to be burned down and stated fresh, or avoided entirely.
+--- 21928641
+>>21923960
+>Postmodernism is the denial of objective truth and an insistence on the irreducible complexity of life.
+The latter half of the sentence is true but not the former. Postmodernism is the rejection of grand narratives or the ability to SYSTEMATIZE knowledge into a hierarchy of increasingly abstract principles from which all others must derive. You can have a somewhat naive view of epistemology while still denying our ability to abstract from socially ingrained structures when creating a system of philosophy.
+--- 21928645
+>>21928641
+>Postmodernism is the rejection of grand narratives or the ability to SYSTEMATIZE knowledge into a hierarchy of increasingly abstract principles from which all others must derive
+so, the denial of objective truth?
+--- 21929673
+bump

lit/21924046.txt

@@ -36,3 +36,42 @@ Dzogchen? more like dogshit
 >>21927050
 >Dzogchen is the highest teaching in tibetan buddhism
 shouldn't you spend 30 years washing rice in a monastery before they teach it to you then? or you just can download it from torrent?
+--- 21927437
+I recommend reading some Dōgen instead, start with Instructions for the Cook since you can actually try and apply some of it to your own life in a practical way when cooking.
+You are seeking knowledge of religious teachings earnestly, yeah?
+You wouldn't happen to be posting on here masked in so much irony that nothing you say holds any meaning any more but instead seeks to cause banal discord for minor amusement, right?
+You wouldn't LARP to gain knowledge of world belief systems as a cope for not having any coherent worldview of your own while also stroking your ego about how much you know of things obscure to other people even if it provides no real benefit to you spiritually, would you?
+--- 21927809
+>>21927050
+mahamudra is at the same level
+--- 21927904
+>>21927809
+It's less experience-based
+--- 21927912
+>>21927904
+tantric mahamudra is aimed entirely at obtaining experience of the natural state of mind
+--- 21927976
+>>21927912
+>>21927904
+They're the same thing and differ only in terminology and order of presentation.
+--- 21928923
+>>21927976
+I thought Dzogchen was considered more noble.
+--- 21929136
+>>21924046 (OP)
+i got you, "A Trackless Path" by Ken Mcleod is a good introductory book
+and "Roaring Silence: Discovering the Mind of Dzogchen" by Ngakpa Chogyam is a good introduction to the practice itself
+--- 21929142
+>>21927050
+each school has it's own form of "highest teaching" Dzogchen is the one for Nigmapas, mahamudra for kagyu,lamrin for gelug and lamdre for the sakya
+--- 21929770
+>>21924088
+what happens if you practice dog's zen without a teacher?
+why can't one take the buddha as teacher?
+or life? a tree? a sexual organ? or violin?
+--- 21929802
+>>21929770
+Because Dzogchen practice is based on a teacher directly introducing you to the nature of your mind. Having a reliable, external source who you have faith in perform this introduction allows you to have confidence in the experience of the nature of mind
+--- 21930793
+>>21929142
+Which vajrayana school is the least corrupted?

lit/21924125.txt

@@ -58,3 +58,54 @@ the book where this depiction is from is absolute history kino
 No, but his apprentice broke away from the church in his later years and joined the montanist movement
 --- 21926887
 Bump
+--- 21927986
+>>21925592
+What is this
+--- 21928332
+>>21928296
+>your theodicy is a nature calendar
+lol
+--- 21928342
+>>21924662
+It really is.
+--- 21928689
+>>21924421
+Augustine talking about manichaeism too
+--- 21928789
+>>21928332
+Bad faith is the keystone of monistranny and nicaeanpc rhetoric
+--- 21929944
+>>21928296
+Cope, nature is a gladiatorial arena. Mayhem is ongoing in both macro and microscale.
+--- 21929967
+Gnosticism is the one thing so dumb Christians and pagans both agreed on it being dumb. Plotinus shit on Gnosticism harder than any Church Father ever could.
+--- 21930095
+>>21924586
+Your understanding is mistaken. The world is an accident, your spark is indeed imprisoned.
+--- 21930347
+>>21929967
+>gnosticism was intended as a negation of both paganism and judaism
+>pagans and christians don't like it
+Real scintillating insights you can only get on /lit/
+--- 21930359
+>>21924662
+you should unironically blow your brains out
+--- 21930497
+>>21924586
+why is talking retardedly so funny, bros? Nothing makes me giggle harder.
+--- 21930637
+>>21928296
+"Wow, that sure sounds beautiful. Please describe it to us!"
+--- 21930642
+>>21930347
+it's been nothing more than embarrassing fanfiction of both
+--- 21930653
+>>21930642
+>aaaaaaa is that a transvaluation of values that doesn't sanction gay sex I'm going insane
+westerners
+--- 21930779
+Do gnostics value love?
+And I mean love between human beings, not some abstract "love for God/Good/whatever"
+--- 21930782
+>>21924138
+kenogaia is kino, guy (uh)

lit/21924189.txt

@@ -86,3 +86,38 @@ Please don't post ocean porn on /lit/, some of us know how to read art.
 --- 21927378
 >>21924209
 kek
+--- 21927411
+>>21924189 (OP)
+The incel thing is boring now. You're boring.
+--- 21927414
+>>21925609
+Katawa Shoujo
+--- 21927415
+Middlemarch
+--- 21927670
+>>21924507
+Seconded, t. married
+--- 21927675
+>>21927414
+Nta, what else?
+--- 21927749
+>>21927670
+Are you a cuck?
+--- 21927834
+>>21924189 (OP)
+Gravity's Rainbow
+--- 21928727
+bump
+--- 21929406
+>>21924189 (OP)
+>What media will replace my having done fucking nothing with my life
+Fuck you
+>B-but my crippling–
+Double fuck you
+Take a shower
+--- 21929652
+>>21927302
+This post glows
+--- 21930463
+>>21929652
+Keep your filthy white mythos away from my beautiful Nihonese Oni (Male).

lit/21924241.txt

@@ -62,3 +62,25 @@ Young pussy is the cutest. The perfect age.
 >>21924289
 >>21924302
 maybe he's resting after reading through that whole pile
+--- 21927990
+I was hoping more people would post their pets with their books
+--- 21928056
+>>21924241 (OP)
+i want a pet cat so bad I'm losing my mind.
+--- 21929078
+>>21924393
+
+Hi George!
+--- 21929135
+>>21924241 (OP)
+Dis kitten, ahh, sleepin on books
+Only at Miller Grove
+--- 21930071
+>>21924241 (OP)
+My kot got really really sick last week. She's slowly getting better but I legit thought she was a goner for 2 days. Vet served no purpose except make me a poorfag for the next month.
+--- 21930087
+>>21926497
+My God what a cute cat.
+--- 21930152
+>>21924298
+That version is a little under 700 pages in total, with 70 of that being introductory materials. Pages are also kinda thick, and the font is fairly large

lit/21924800.txt

@@ -689,3 +689,113 @@ It's fucking over dude.
 --- 21927390
 >>21926423
 Greek hands typed this
+--- 21927409
+>>21924800 (OP)
+there is a space in the middle which represents a mixture of the two that i would enjoy being with more than either of them.
+--- 21927416
+>>21924838
+individually they can be charming and nice fun people to be around but ultimately their strategy in western countries is to dominate religiously and therefore politically. Their belief system is an adherance to god where they want to implement sharia, therefore they are muslim above anything else. That is why you always hear that ultimately they are not compatible with secular countries.
+--- 21927436
+>>21925504
+>oh herf derf you have to heirarchy high value sigma hypergamy did you know genetic chimerism
+masculinity is a caricature of itself now that can be packaged and sold by Andrew Tate et al, anyone from millenial age onwards have been educated by left leaning feminist women who think boys being boys by naturally establishing dominance, should be put on drugs or their behavious supressed. Its no wonder why men today are unhappy and unfulfilled, its making the women that way too.
+--- 21927440
+>>21924800 (OP)
+Dating profile. Simple seven words. I am not like other girls. Pythagoras wrapped in the used condom.
+--- 21927461
+>>21925628
+>"what do you think of gays?"
+he was clearly reflecting on the situation he was in and realized that you might be after his bussy, your answer was not sufficient enough for him to be certain you were not a fag.
+--- 21927516
+>>21926434
+>t. pic related
+and there are many who are forced to do it, what's your point? Ultimately, there's no difference between them and any other modern female, they're just as depraved. Muslimoids just make a awful din (no pun intended) about their le honor, in between mouthfuls of cock. This is why I laugh when chinless incels who look up to top G rave about how based islam is.
+--- 21927527
+>>21925628
+Kek
+--- 21927568
+>>21924800 (OP)
+Pause. Yep, that's me. No, not her. No no, pan to right a little bit. Right there. Yep, that's me.
+
+I was on my way to buy some minoxidil and Rogainemaxx. Today, my train left 10 minutes earlier than expected. So we wait. I pull out my phone.
+--- 21927722
+>>21927436
+It just makes me wonder all the time what's supposed to be so masculine about throwing up this desperate facade and walking around terrified nobody's noticing how manly you are. But then if you tell people they should maybe chill out and jus b themselves because they're men and it will work itself out, all you get is 'oh so you're saying I should LITERALLY cut off my dick and worship Anita sarkeesian?!!'
+--- 21927740
+>>21927436
+what is even masculinity these days?
+--- 21927750
+>>21924800 (OP)
+The muslim girl wanted to whore out and the western girl wanted to trad out because the grass is always greener on the other side.
+--- 21927909
+>>21926690
+>pajeets could be here she said pajeets could be anywhere around the pages of these social media sites asking for bobs and vagene
+--- 21928248
+They start making out with each other and everyone lived happily ever after
+the end
+--- 21928258
+>>21924800 (OP)
+frankly im just admiring the wonderful posture of the nice muslim lady. kept me staring much longer than for the used rag on the bench next to her.
+--- 21928262
+>>21926561
+>boots over stilettos
+What are you, a faggot?
+--- 21928284
+>>21924800 (OP)
+One minute before today's mass shooting begins.
+--- 21928344
+Anyone else get seriously hot from veiled women? When I see them, I know they are subservient, they wear this thing because some religions indoctrination has told them they have to. The whole not thinking for yourself thing is like super fucking hot. I used to just fap to long skirts, then it was dresses, the less neck the better. I would imagine a husband forcing his young wife to totally wear covering clothing. She would cry but she would accept, slowly lobotomized by the madness of being a housewife. Recently I've been fapping a lot of hijabs and related clothing, including fantasies of western women forced to convert to Islam and wear their clothing as like 2nd or 3rd wife. The whole thing is like seriously hot.
+--- 21928360
+>>21927096
+Maybe when you are 20. Around 30 or older getting sex as a man is really not that hard. I mean yes, getting sex as a woman is way easier, but as a man it's also not very hard.
+
+I have a beer belly and I have a few hookups here and there. Just be confident and not a fucking Chud.
+--- 21928363
+>>21924838
+Just people, sometimes nice, chill, decent, terrible , etc. I very much don't agree with a lot of the practices Muslims have (especially with how evil the majority of Muslim governments can be towards its own or different people). But I wouldnt condemn an entire group of people by a few personal experinces Ive had and what I read from the news. I recommend not taking the opinions of those who're being racist chuds just because they haven't met a decent muslim before.
+--- 21928463
+>>21925394
+I used to work with catholic filipinos (very superstitious people by the way) muslim indonesians, eating pork in front of the indonesians was enough to trigger them, and the filipinos liked to banter.
+--- 21928774
+>>21924838
+I hate both Muslims and Christians. Muslims are belligerent and stupid, and they tend to make a big fuss out of iconoclasm, a practice that goes back thousands of year. Christians are all hypocritical jackasses with a holier-art-thou attitude over the death of a trivial disgusting Jew while pushing for endless ZOG wars. 
+What bothers me most about Christcucks and Mudslimes are their petty conflict and how they try to pull everyone into it. If I had my way, I'd kill them both.
+To the credit of Christians though, they leave you alone even if you make macabre artwork of Jesus being cannibalized. Muslims aren't the type to leave you alone if you do that for M*hummad (piss be upon him).
+If I know someone is a Christian or Muslim, I walk away. I don't want any interaction with them, and I consider them icchantika destined for countless kalpas of suffering. I don't give a shit about race in this aspect since I like to judge people over their life decisions rather than things out of their control.
+I plan to burn my father's 500+ year koran when he's dead, but I will throw in a Torah and Bible in for extra measure. I hate both my father and mother.
+I'm pretty serious when I say I want all of you Abrahamists dead and frequently visualize walking over your smouldering corpses. I visualize making macabre artwork out of your corpses the way Jack did in the film The House that Jack Built.
+All Abrahamists are at war with nature and everything that is truly good.
+--- 21928778
+The Holy Spirit is a daemonical force of pure destruction. Jesus was an idiot.
+
+Allah is an angry, jealous, and merciless god, and I put superior idols before him. Muhammad and Ali were idiots.
+
+Moses and the Torah are shit, and I curse YHVH/Elohim.
+--- 21928784
+>>21928774
+Please share with us religions that you actually respect other than Buddhism if there are any.
+--- 21928797
+>>21928784
+Buddhism, Jainism, Daoism, Tengriism, Hinduism, Orphic mysteries, Greek paganism, Germanic Neopaganism, Shintoism, Reformed Zoroastrianism
+--- 21928801
+>>21928784
+>>21928797
+Oh yeah, and I like Druidry a lot.
+--- 21928811
+>>21928797
+Redpill me Reform Zoroastrianism
+--- 21929734
+>>21924800 (OP)
+Am I the only person here who has more respect for Muslim women than Western women? I am not even religious myself, but I respect the modesty of Muslims, even if I do think they can go overboard sometimes when they wear something like a burka.
+--- 21929750
+>>21924838
+They smell
+--- 21929752
+>>21927028
+If they weren't so hot there wouldn't be any raping. Reign it in a bit.
+--- 21929785
+>>21926463
+>marriage negotiations
+kek, all marriage is in Islam is a contract like any other
+>inb4 you rattle off some virtues in marriage
+doesn't make it any less worldly - just makes the transaction a bit smoother

lit/21924936.txt

@@ -77,3 +77,165 @@ Actually most great inventions were funded by governments and not private invest
 >>21926060
 >by creating an AI that would calculate a person's need and distribute wealth accordingly
 How is an AI going to do that exactly?
+--- 21927397
+>>21927351
+>Companies will basically get a live feed of your hormonal balanance
+Blockchain it, so that only an impartial uneditable inhuman algorithm would have access to it, but no one else.
+And if that algorithm was that badly poorly designed, then just fork it, and start anew.
+--- 21927399
+>>21927383
+> This AI would have to know everything about everyone in order to calculate need. It must know the person's financial status, and what he could afford. It could also take into account their behavior and social credit score to ensure that those who are well behaved receive greater benefits than the antisocial.
+And answered it.
+
+>>21926060
+> behavior and social credit score to ensure that those who are well behaved receive greater benefits than the antisocial.
+>social credit score 
+This concept was thought already in fascist Italy and China uses this model today. That’s a horrible idea, although the “credit score” in America is also horrible and inhumane (extreme capitalism is even more inhumane).
+--- 21927423
+>>21925939
+When did I say that?
+--- 21927425
+>>21927383
+
+All of humanity's problems are now the problem of some AI that doesn't even exist. We are no longer responsible for anything, it's great isn't it.
+--- 21927428
+>>21927425
+>All of humanity's problems are now the problem of some AI that doesn't even exist.
+All of humanity's problems are now the problem of Kolmogorov complexity
+--- 21927429
+LE GOMMUNISM! Get a job u fucking losers.
+--- 21927858
+>>21927429
+You seem to enjoy sucking bankers’ dick.
+--- 21928189
+Creating our own labor vouchers is a reasonable thing to do. Waiting for the dollar to crash and the US government to replace it with a digital currency for your smartphone, is a dumb state-cuck thing to do. 
+So questions. 
+1. Which would you like to do, locally made vouchers or Federally issued accumulative debt digital notes? 
+2. What political leanings do you have?
+
+>>21927429
+Masked arsonists and other assorted liberals that are well directed by the Pentagon aren't doing anything to advance anarchist ideology, so kindly disregard them. They're not anarchists
+--- 21928218
+>>21928189
+Anarchist here, please explain how labor vouchers will meaningfully differ from money for longer than a week? It seems like there's literally no reason to think they aren't just a utopian pipedream.
+--- 21928222
+>>21928218
+Anarchist here, my ideology is the most retarded of all.
+--- 21928238
+>>21926060
+>muh tech will save us
+lmao, dumb capitalist pig
+
+"On the other hand, there are people who say that only science and technology can be relied upon to provide the answers. There are others who believe they can fight against violence by putting forward remedies against aggressiveness, and so on. These people all subscribe, in a general way, to the proposition that each problem presupposes its own particular scientific solution. They are therefore essentially passive, since they take the view that the human being is a simple object to be manipulated. They are also completely unequipped to create new interhuman relationships (which is something they have in common with the adversaries of science); they are unable to see that a scientific solution is a capitalist solution, because it eliminates humans and lays open the prospect of a totally controlled society"
+--- 21928255
+>>21928238
+Communism worships technology, as does Capitalism. Don't be an incel about it.
+--- 21928261
+>>21926060
+Something like Fascism is literally eternal. There are always scarce valuable things to fight over: women, best land to live in, positions in a hierarchy and other goods. The form of competition will vary but will always exist. The possiblity of violent takeover by an organised group will always exist and other groups must be formed to constantly guard against it. Violence is a permanent element of politics and only takes different forms: in liberal democracy violence is used to protect property, in communism it is used to fight accumulation of property, and in fascism it is used to take property from foreign elements.
+--- 21928266
+>>21928255
+weird reply but thanks for rewording my point
+--- 21928281
+>>21924936 (OP)
+dr dickblast makes for primo reading material. thank you for sharing his work here.
+--- 21928788
+>>21928218
+It’s earned by your labor, assigned in your name, to you. No one can steal it.
+You pay for item and it is canceled out. There’s no till and no banks involved. The place you spent it at are earning their own labor time vouchers. 
+It is time sensitive, to be determined, the value of things are set by computer. Cockshott goes into more details in the book. The main thing that sets it apart from money it that it is non-accumulative. No one grows rich on this method, no one’s poor. For those who can work, meets can work out how they can be taken care of. The commune will cut a lot of jobs, so most remaining jobs will have many workers doing less time. Much can be determined later. 
+
+As an anarchist myself, I endorse this as a transitional method for local commerce. (I’m very opposed to Bitcoin even though it bypasses banks, it’s still about rich men gaining traction in a “free market “) As communities grow closer an actual free economy can develop from there. 
+
+>>21928255
+And in a free economy, we won’t need the voucher app or cell phones. We’d be free to embrace a more agrarian lifestyle. Some still dream of scifi technology pampering us into the next century, but there’s reason to believe technology is going to go caput (maybe not)
+--- 21928791
+>>21928788
+>For those who can’t* work,
+--- 21929106
+>>21928218
+>please explain how labor vouchers will meaningfully differ from money for longer than a week
+Money circulates ad infinitum (in theory), such vouchers wouldn't since it'd terminate upon use e.g. corporations issuing coupons for discounts or free goods isn't "utopian" but claiming you could base an economy around that somehow as an alternative to money is. Constraining commerce to the quantity of labour performed instead of historically accumulated "wealth" or speculation on the future would be extremely retarding on everything... almost as much as trying to constrain everything based on the supply on shinny rocks available. The unique problem of capitalism is excess capacity and underinvestment needed for profit not equity issues per se
+--- 21929179
+>>21926060
+>create an all powerful ai to redistribute wealth according to a social credit system
+
+lol thats closer to fascism. its not each according to ability to each according to need, but rather favoritism towards those that follow the rules and who the regime likes
+--- 21929207
+>>21929106
+Explain how time worked is retarding.
+Recourses and labor are their own rewards. Money, the accumulative short, is imaginary. You think some imbalance is going to happen with labor-time currency? The shiny rocks economy (gold backed) is nothing like this
+>profit
+In a community people are the source of wealth. Connectivity ensures mutual profits and goodwill.
+--- 21929356
+>>21924936 (OP)
+I'm still pissed that most people on the left haven't heard of Beer or read his work.
+--- 21929423
+I thought in a communist system I wouldn’t be forced to work but still get whatever I want? That’s the whole reason I support communism. These labor vouchers just sound like money in a roundabout way.
+--- 21929466
+>>21929207
+Please explain if I’m understanding the concept properly:
+>1 hour of labor is pegged at 1 time-dollar, regardless of intensity or type
+>time-dollars can be used to exchange for goods and services from others
+How is this not like a fiat currency but worse? If all labor is pegged at a standard rate regardless of difficulty or training required, what incentivizes anyone to specialize in any trade other than the most basic? You are certainly economically advantaged to do so
+What’s stopping anyone from issuing their friend 100 time bucks for no work at all, if there is no central issuing authority? If there is a central issuing authority, how do you prevent people from lying about how many hours of labor a task took and defrauding the rest of society?
+
+How are time bucks not just a fiat currency but more retarded? How do you determine the fair market price for something like an apple? Is an apple only worth .001 time bucks because it took that long to pick? Is it worth 5000 time bucks because it took that long to cultivate the tree you picked it from? I feel like you can name a million scenarios where the implementation doesn’t track with reality. Are we saying paying someone for 5 hours of time bucks to dig a ditch in front of your home is worth the same as 5 hours of someone working as a barista in the communes coffee shop? And both of these are the same as someone working 5 hours to perform eye surgery?
+Ultimately market economies price goods and services to an extent on how much society values certain roles and objects. The will of the people is reflected in the markets, and over a long enough time prices will reflect the real world value of these goods and services. Humans are hierarchical by nature, and our societies reflect this. Unless you intend to implement 100000 years of directed evolution or crispr gene editing to remove this feature, I’m not sure how designing an economy to ignore this basic trait can ever hope to successfully function on a meaningful scale.
+--- 21929601
+>>21929423
+How about sweeping the dinning hall out once a week. Shouldn't take but an hour. You can have a little place to yourself if you really don't want to do just fucking anything.
+You were raised in capitalism though. Should we show you how to grow and tend a garden for food?
+--- 21929605
+>>21929207
+>Explain how time worked is retarding.
+It's an unnecessary ceiling on demand
+
+>>21929466
+>How is this not like a fiat currency but worse?
+It wouldn't be a currency since it functions differently. Are coupons issued by corporations "currency"? Not exactly. The big difference is fiat currency keeps exchanging hands and exchanges variably by design. These "vouchers" wouldn't obviously
+
+>If all labor is pegged at a standard rate regardless of difficulty or training required, what incentivizes anyone to specialize in any trade other than the most basic?
+Think about "perfect equilibrium". In theory all wages are moving towards equilibrium... in such a state why would different jobs exist and why would people do different things? If that's an absurd question why even use that theoretical instrument to try to conceptualize things instead of embracing chaos?
+
+>How do you determine the fair market price for something like an apple? Is an apple only worth .001 time bucks because it took that long to pick?
+Well "fairness" is political mumbo jumbo... people always complain about that and always will. The issue is determining demand and supply without fluctuating prices which is the issue.
+
+>Ultimately market economies price goods and services to an extent on how much society values certain roles and objects
+Not "society", people with money command resources. Aggregate demand is all that matters under capitalism... not what you "want" but what you can afford.
+Why corporations choose and pay CEOs what they do or why investors aren't forming one big collective syndicate or soviets of corporate stakeholders to increase the supply of executive talent or wrangle down those costs is a sociological exercise.
+
+>The will of the people is reflected in the markets, and over a long enough time prices will reflect the real world value of these goods and services
+In the long run we're all dead, etc, etc
+--- 21929607
+>>21929601
+I thought food was free.
+--- 21929662
+>>21926060
+>happy, comfortable and meaningful life
+I disagree. Each of those three can and do often conflict with one another. I had the option of living a comfortable life, but I would not have had much meaning. 
+>The wealthy are privileged in many ways, and must recognize that they have a moral obligation to use their advantages for the common good.
+Would it be fair to say those blessed with a great intellect have a moral obligation to use their talents for the common good? If you test at a certain level should the state be able to force you to become something you don't want to be? Doesn't that interfere with the concept of "we should be able to agree that the purpose of life is to live a happy, comfortable[,] and meaningful life"? If you believe that people shouldn't be forced to be something they're not because of their talents, then what difference is there when a million dollar bank account disappears? The two are functionally equivalent. Except instead of disappearing, the wealthy individual just doesn't hand the money over. What's the difference between the intellectual talent and the productive capacity of the money? You are advocating for something you don't understand because your own claims contradict themselves.
+--- 21930542
+>>21928788
+>For those who can work
+And handicapped people / old people who cannot work, what will happen to them? 
+Will the commune have welfare aid programs and pension plans? 
+Who will sustain and contribute into the pension plans and how?
+--- 21930549
+>>21929601
+yeah, what this anon said: >>21929607
+i was told i could get free shit? what happened to that??? it really feels like i'm getting baited here
+--- 21930723
+>Utopia by Thomas More
+>The republic by Plato
+>De re publica by Cicero 
+>Philosophy of right & Phenomenology of spirit by Hegel
+>Capital by Marx
+What do you think of these?
+--- 21930777
+>>21925939
+GOP voters are overwhelmingly proletariat. This contradicts nothing.
+--- 21930784
+>>21929356
+Stop being disingenuous, i consume Beer on a daily basis

lit/21925060.txt

@@ -56,3 +56,69 @@ On the contrary, I would say he's one of the least translatable
 --- 21927329
 >>21925060 (OP)
 Compared to James and Balzac in particular? That he was jewish and very outspokenly liberal.
+--- 21927704
+>>21927297
+Except you're just wrong, why do you think his English translation is so well regarded? Paul Valery wrote in French, gide wrote in French. Both are untranslatable. Proust didn't write in French and behold he's translatable. If you stubbornly don't believe me just check out how many good translations of exist of the two other writers I mentioned (there aren't any, and it explains their total unpopularity outside France)
+--- 21927758
+“there are pages, there are chapters of Marcel Proust that are unacceptable as inventions, and we unwittingly resign ourselves to them as we resign ourselves to the insipidity and emptiness of each day.” --- Jorge Luis Borges
+
+
+"To be absolutely honest, apart from the opening volume of Proust, I find him crushingly dull." --- Kazuo Ishiguro
+
+
+"I have read some pages of his. I cannot see any special talent." --- James Joyce in a 1920 letter to Frank Budgen
+
+
+"I am reading Proust for the first time. Very poor stuff. I think he was mentally defective." --- Evelyn Waugh
+
+
+"Prout Proust, who was half ghost, immersed himself with extraordinary tenacity in the infinitely watery futility of the rites and procedures that entwine the members of high society, those denizens of the void, those phantoms of desire, those irresolute daisy-chainers still waiting for their Watteau, those listless seekers after implausible Cythereas.
+300 pages to learn tutu is sodomizing toto.... it's too much" --- Louis Ferdinand Celine
+
+
+"Proust? That's not literature" --- Cormac McCarthy
+--- 21927765
+>>21927704
+Gide is untranslatable? What am I missing when I read him in English, anon?
+--- 21927768
+>>21927758
+Joyce had a negative opinion as well
+--- 21927773
+>>21927758
+I wonder what Waugh's problem with Proust was.
+--- 21927775
+>>21927282
+>When I took a taste of that lovely Madeleine I was transported back to when I watched sissy hypno porn as a young boy and I coomed so hard that I decided to use my family’s money to castrate my testes and to cut my penis and turn it inside out. Oh, that Madeleine
+--- 21928475
+>>21927758
+Borges isn't being negative here. If you read Bioy's diaries you'd know what he really thought about Proust.
+--- 21928499
+>>21927773
+Some xenophobic hang-up i suppose
+--- 21929170
+>>21927758
+Most writers are awful critics, especially of their own contemporaries. I am only interested in who or what they praise, not in their seething.
+--- 21929204
+>>21927758
+and I could find quotes of 1000 influential authors sucking him off
+--- 21929355
+>>21926685
+>Proust didn't write in French
+what are you talking about
+--- 21929366
+I have volume 1 of the Everyman's Library editions
+Is Proust a good author to read after James Joyce, Henry James and Tolstoy?
+--- 21929474
+>>21929366
+yes absolutely. he's the greatest.
+--- 21929482
+>MOMMY MOMMY COME LOOK BASED MCCARTHY WEIGHED IN
+--- 21929804
+>>21929482
+Don't post your face on the site, man
+--- 21929823
+>>21929355
+If it wasn't obvious (which pains me) I mean this in the same way they say that late Goethe wasn't writing in German.
+--- 21929860
+>>21929482
+What a little queer, can‘t even (you) the poster.

lit/21925459.txt

@@ -42,3 +42,27 @@ that's such a childish and oversimplified way of looking at it. maybe because it
 --- 21927315
 >>21925459 (OP)
 The Greeks address retards like you. You either get it or you don’t.
+--- 21928527
+>>21926986
+based
+--- 21928537
+>>21926964
+not op but yes
+--- 21928553
+>>21926651
+Not OP but I have read a lot of classic philosophy books and I really, really do not think I have gained anything from them. Don't want to be controlled? Study science. not philosophy
+--- 21928680
+>>21928553
+>Study science, not philosophy.
+Oh so you can point out enzymes in a bio lab and have your career destroyed if you don't publish enough? Or do you mean sell your soul to work at some big tech/arms manufacturing company?
+--- 21928711
+>>21928553
+Science is philosophy.
+--- 21928719
+>>21925459 (OP) 
+>I can form my own values and views.
+All your views and values are from others, though. Your parents, role models, peers and various other people live lifes that you, to varying degrees, try to emulate, whether consciously or not. Reading philosophy would merely be expanding the pool and drawing from more sources. 
+Wouldn't your best option for a good life be checking various schools of thought, so you can try to apply them to your life and piece together your own unique view that has a bit of each (or might even largely follow one) school of thought? Why deprive yourself of others' insights and knowledge? You can read philosophy and still discard the parts you don't like. Seems foolish to me to discard it altogether.
+--- 21930025
+>>21925459 (OP)
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k-uIK5ogBA [Embed]

lit/21925699.txt

@@ -43,3 +43,50 @@ you might be doing this on purpose to emphasise how internet-focused NEETs can b
 --- 21927393
 >>21925699 (OP)
 Dude, Oblomov is modern. You meant post-modern or contemporary.
+--- 21927439
+>>21927391
+Thank you for the feedback. I try to avoid repetition as much as I can.
+--- 21927494
+>>21927439
+i do really like the concept i should say, not trying to dog on you -- the prose is at times very precise, which i like. i would just focus on tidying up some of the description, making it shorter, which could be a cure to the proper noun repitition.
+--- 21927593
+I tried to convince my dad to write a story about his life
+>NEET who despises work
+>womanizer addicted to sex
+>multiple tales of women paying expensive vacations and trip for him
+>one time he was falmed at an event on TV with one of his girlfriends and some of the others found out he was cheating because of it
+>side hustle of selling stolen products from his criminal acquaintances
+--- 21927624
+>>21927494
+> i would just focus on tidying up some of the description, making it shorter, which could be a cure to the proper noun repitition.
+Understood. That's a good suggestion and thank you for liking the concept :D
+--- 21927710
+>>21925764
+Esl, learn english first or get a damn good editor.
+--- 21927812
+>>21925737
+retard
+--- 21928387
+>>21925699 (OP)
+i wrote one around 2015 when i was 20/21 and also neeting. it was overfull with too much stuff and tryhard-ish. i shelved it for about a year and then reread it and hated it and deleted any trace of it from existence. i subsequently regret this since i've seen bits of plots in it crop up here and there in recent things that have done well. it was surely shite but i nonetheless may have been on to something. oh well. mydiarydesu over.
+--- 21928397
+>>21925699 (OP)
+I’ll give it a go
+--- 21928551
+Confederacy of Dunces is essentially this. Why bother with an updated version with online message boards and video games?
+--- 21929235
+>>21925699 (OP)
+The definitive NEET novel was already written in the XIX century. It's called "Oblomov' by Ivan Goncharov.
+--- 21929258
+NEETS are not new. There have been countless books about them that no one cares about.
+--- 21929291
+>>21925732
+It seems today that writers in their 20s are MFA students and adjunct lecturers at universities.
+--- 21929337
+NEETs are not interesting characters and do not speak to anything interesting about life. The only people who like NEET characters are other NEETs who want easy self-indulgence.
+--- 21929822
+>>21925699 (OP)
+I tried last year. I got a third of the way through and posted part of it on /wg/. They told me it was boring and no one would want to read about a NEET. I thought about it and decided to stop wasting my time and do something else.
+--- 21929856
+>>21929258
+/lit/ cares about Hamsun

lit/21925883.txt

@@ -87,3 +87,10 @@ Christianity wouldn't necessarily disagree.
 --- 21927231
 >>21925883 (OP)
 We need five maybe seven threads of Blood Meridian at any one time. Now look at the name field.
+--- 21928252
+Greatest villain of all time
+--- 21928825
+>>21926479
+Giggled. Wish I could afford a 1st edition. Shit’s crazy.
+--- 21929643
+and then he ate the tortilla and then he wiped his chin and spat and said Mucho coffee por favor and then he spat

lit/21925921.txt

@@ -11,3 +11,29 @@ I can't find anything online about this but it reminds me of Murdoch Murdoch so
 --- 21926393
 >>21926348
 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Friedrich_von_Meyern#Werk
+--- 21927608
+>>21926393
+
+geboren, gestorben
+
+Nice lmao
+--- 21927629
+>>21926393
+>https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Friedrich_von_Meyern#Twerk
+--- 21928330
+>>21925921 (OP)
+>dya-na-sore
+--- 21928849
+>>21928330
+DEE-ya-nah-SO-re but I appreciate your enthusiasm for lizards, my fren.
+--- 21928947
+>>21925921 (OP)
+Tell us about this book, OP.
+--- 21929008
+>>21928947
+No. I'm starting to regret making this thread, actually. /pol/tards might actually wanna read it and add it to their canon. It should be read only if you want to understand where Nietzsche was coming from and not as an ideal to strive towards to because it outlines an even more extreme Third Reich than the one Germany later delivered.
+--- 21929957
+Bump
+--- 21929964
+>>21929957
+pls don't

lit/21926426.txt

@@ -24,3 +24,28 @@ What was this tax policy? Does Westeros even have a calendar? On a planet with a
 Baelor gave tax exemptions to noble families that made their daughters wear chastity belts.
 --- 21926975
 he was homogay
+--- 21927591
+>>21926426 (OP)
+>Baelor the Blessed
+Gee, I fucking wonder
+--- 21927805
+>>21926426 (OP)
+you've either been successfully turned into a degenerate by porn or don't have siblings to post this
+--- 21927826
+le porn le sex le coom le sisters le slelelelelelle
+
+
+fuck off nigger twat
+--- 21927840
+>>21926426 (OP)
+Based Baelor realized "Septon" Barth was a fraud and the Doctrine of Exceptionalism was heretical bullshit.
+--- 21928904
+>>21927826
+The books have significantly less sex scenes and profanity than the TV show.
+--- 21929659
+>>21926426 (OP)
+we all know Viserys really ran the kingdom just like Tywin ran the kingdom for Aerys.
+or at least we might know that if that fat fucking faggot would ever finish any of his books.
+--- 21929664
+>>21928904
+wait are you telling me a show on HBO shoe horned in a bunch of titties and sex?

lit/21926578.txt

@@ -192,3 +192,388 @@ My 15 month old cousin can express why she wants yogurt and not cheezits. She do
 >>21926761
 >You think Martin has better writing than Sanderson?
 absolutely. martin at least tries, sanderson just puts to paper the first thing that comes into his mind
+--- 21927412
+>>21927325
+You've merely revealed that you haven't read the others.
+--- 21927458
+Anything decent involving biological ships?
+--- 21927496
+>>21927458
+like living ships? liveship trilogy, part of the realm of the elderling series
+--- 21927503
+>>21927458
+night's dawn trilogy
+beware: the beginning part is excruciating, long and drops tons of jargon, in-universe terms and names at you. that aside, after you manage to slog through it and get into the book proper, i found it to be incredibly enjoyable, with a rich universe and charming characters. it has its weak and goofy moments but in the end it's very rewarding and memorable.
+don't delve too deeply in plot specifics when you're looking it up or you risk being massively spoiled
+--- 21927508
+Hey review anon, are you around? Ive been meaning to ask you how the will of the many compares to james islingtons three previous books. An improvement? Bout the same?
+--- 21927531
+>>21926643
+Kinda based. Remember to switch to a bodybuilding routine in a year or so.
+>>21926582
+Incredibly based.
+--- 21927549
+>>21926761
+>>21927371
+Having only read The Way of Kings, I'd disagree that Sanderson doesn't make an effort. He works hard to write in a way that is accessible to anyone short of illiteracy. Prose is as plain and simple as possible, and exposition is spelled out to the point of redundancy. There are a lot of people out there for whom Tolkien and sometimes even Martin are too much, and Sanderson writes for them.
+I have to respect him, in a way. Man obviously understands how to reach the widest possible audience, and makes bank doing it. Biggest kickstarter ever.
+--- 21927560
+>>21927549
+So at best, he dumbs his work down as far as he possibly can in exchange for money.
+--- 21927569
+Maybe one day I'll read Mistborn 4+ or Stormlight Archive, but not today.
+--- 21927577
+>>21927310
+The Martian was ok. Nothing special. I really did enjoy Project Hail Mary, though.
+--- 21927651
+>>21926590
+>fantasy has some prose
+I'm pretty sure there a good fantasts, as once moorcock said in introduction for the elric delrey books, that are good writers but Titus Groan isn't fantasy. Maybe it's "manner-punk" or "fantasy of manners" but not fantasy in itself. it has some "not realistic" elements tho now that i retrace the book in my mind but i'd call it fantasy. I didn't read the sequels
+--- 21927691
+>>21927651
+It's set in a strange world with strange customs and strange people, how is it not fantasy?
+--- 21927708
+>>21927569
+There are better things to read than Rhythm of Bore.
+--- 21927798
+Is Tanith Lee's Flat Earth just lewd YA?
+--- 21927887
+>>21927708
+I heard a big part of RoW is fabrial science and I just KNOW that Stormlights part 6-10 are gonna have stormlight fueled airplanes and space travel
+--- 21927948
+>>21927887
+He wouldnt rip off his own fucking story, would he? He already did that in mistborn 1 and 2
+--- 21927957
+>>21927948
+well he did say stormlight is gonna have a time gap after book 5. with the focus of bronze smithing in oathbringer and more fabrial science you could see the direction.
+--- 21927975
+>>21927887
+Well yeah? We've known since before Stormlight was a thing that end-Cosmere would involve space travel. And he's stated that Roshar/Stormlight would be the most Cosmere-ically important.
+--- 21927985
+>>21927957
+Oh so every part of the cosmere is gonna end up as sci fi eventually?
+--- 21928030
+>>21927325
+no he isn't, delusional tolkiendrone
+--- 21928050
+>>21926907
+John Crowley is now one of my favorite writers. I have read 3 of his books. The Deep and Engine Summer are so good. Up there with R A Lafferty in skill
+--- 21928068
+>>21927508
+I haven't read them. I picked it off NetGalley without looking at the author. I just liked the premise.
+
+>>21928050
+He's an interesting stylist for sure, but not one of my favorite writers. I enjoyed Engine Summer, but not so much the The Deep. I haven't finished anything by Lafferty.
+--- 21928072
+>>21927985
+Who knows how advanced it was before the shattering.
+--- 21928077
+>>21928072
+Presumably advanced enough to kill god
+--- 21928095
+>>21928068
+Ah okay, i defibitely reccomend them. Magic time travel man! Also your reviews are shit, fuck off.
+--- 21928117
+>>21928095
+I may read Islington's previous work later this year. There's a supposed group read going on in discord right now. If had been conducted under different circumstances I might've has already read it. 
+
+As for R.A. Lafferty, that's less likely.
+--- 21928152
+>>21928117
+>>21928068
+Hope you read laffery this year. He's very interesting
+--- 21928162
+>>21928152
+If I do read Lafferty, which would you personally recommend?
+--- 21928191
+>>21927691
+You just described every sci-fi story ever written for starters.
+--- 21928205
+>>21928162
+probably Past Master or Fourth Mansions to start. He's definitely an acquired taste. But he's best known for his short stories. The collection Ninehundred Grandmothers is well received.
+--- 21928219
+>>21928205
+Ok, I'll read one of those sometime, though I don't know exactly when.
+--- 21928298
+>then
+>then
+>then
+>then
+does it stop? I'm at around page 50 and while I really enjoy this book I'm bothered by the word "then" starting sentences
+am I autistic?
+--- 21928317
+>>21928298
+>and
+>and
+>and
+>and
+--- 21928331
+>>21928298
+In the 4chan sense, yes.
+In any other sense, no.
+That's more likely obsessive tendencies.
+--- 21928356
+>>21928298
+Kitties :)
+--- 21928426
+didn't know Robin Hobb was a woman
+--- 21928477
+>>21928426
+You can tell by the cucking and homo vibes by the fool
+--- 21928504
+It ends with everything just being a timeloop that will repeat over and over with only small variations
+How depressing...
+--- 21928515
+FAVORITE GORMENGHAST CHARACTERS, GO!
+For me, it's Prunesquallor.
+--- 21928523
+>>21928515
+the nanny, fuchsia, the doctor to some extent
+--- 21928533
+>>21927691
+Mmmh that's a point but I think it's boil down to 2 terms: fantastic and fantasy. Not a scholar of the matter but throughout my school years (here in Italy) when studying literature genres there was the "Fantastico". That's more akin to non-realistic fiction and it's something pre-commercial fantasy, as a terminology at least. Bah, maybe they just overlap i don't know.
+Anyway I'm not a good reader and of late I've read only stuff in the language of Albion (the perfidious). is there some itali-anon that could point me to some Italian fantasy, both literary (like Borges, Saramago, maybe Q/Wu Ming?) and genre. For example i studied Calvino at school but never actually read his "fantasy"/"fantastic" books like Le Città Invisibili (The Invisible Cities) that has some fantastic elements
+inb4 fuck yourself esl-kun retard, ask on a Italian board/forum
+--- 21928572
+How does one actually sit down and begin to draft up and iron out the details of a fantasy setting? Making something concrete? What is the normal procedure here?
+--- 21928576
+>>21928515
+>>21928523
+Gormenghast is trash
+BOTNS is the greatest. Wolfe is the best fantasy author.
+--- 21928628
+>>21928576
+oh shit here we go race war now
+--- 21928687
+>>21928572
+That is very nice art, do you have any more/source?
+
+I don't think there is a "normal procedure". You could spend years coming up with animals, plants and types of soups to fill a fantasy world or you could just start writing and fill in the relevant details as you go. I work somewhere in the middle, usually starting with some scenes/themes that I want to happen and then thinking about what kind of world those would happen in.
+--- 21928703
+>>21927339
+>>21927316
+What?
+--- 21928928
+>>21928504
+Gotta wait for the 4 Warriors of Light to show up:
+Red Mage
+Red Mage
+Red Mage
+and Red Mage
+--- 21928934
+>>21928426
+The range of well written women should have been a giveaway
+--- 21928939
+>>21928704
+Get a life. You're the same faggot in every thread who starts shit for you's.
+He's the only one doing anything interesting in this thread other than people asking for rec's and posting their thoughts on what they're reading.
+You should do more of those if you're so upset.
+Go read something right now.
+--- 21928970
+Who influenced Gene Wolfe according to himself from 2 interviews. The first book of The Book of the New Sun was published in 1980.
+--- 21928996
+>>21928572
+I am only on the start of working on it myself, but I'd implore you
+>NOT
+to fall for the worldbuilder trap that happens on /tg/. Where all you do is just flesh out the world. There'll always be something more to hash out. It's an unending trap of navel-gazing encyclopedia composing when your goal is to compose a story. Your goal should be to have the barest minimum to start conceiving a story and then as you work on the story come up with targeted details as necessary when they come up. And whenever you do brainstorming for a targeted section, like cities or whatever, then you might do a bit extra brainstorming than you need to but not go down a rabbit hole. In my mind the bare minimums to get started would be a targeted focus to the protagonist and any characters involved, being the name, nationality/race, religion/gods, elevator pitch paragraph or less of the pertinent characters concept, and a broad strokes sense of the wider world. 
+
+Imagine you're an author in your favorite fantasy setting. You're writing a book series called Casablanca based on the movie of the same name. Think about all the irrelevant details of our own world you wouldn't want to waste time building on when it'd be irrelevant to the story. 
+
+This might not be how Tolkien and the like did it, but they're not the amateur trying to pick it up from stage 0.
+--- 21928997
+>>21928939
+seethe more reviewfag
+he does nothing interesting in this thread, he's a pseud who """reviews""" shit books and shills his goodreads
+--- 21929001
+Writers who Gene Wolfe admires. From 1988.
+--- 21929006
+>>21928997
+>shills his goodreads
+>no goodreads link
+okay_buddy_retard.jpg
+--- 21929012
+>>21928997
+Do something worthwhile instead of being angry.
+--- 21929026
+I am so fucking mad.
+My kindle had an ad for some shit but the picture was a woman in a dress looking through a telescope and now it's some faggot military book ad.
+I had the first one for years. How the fuck did airplane mode come off in order for it to shill me a new ad?
+--- 21929029
+>>21928996
+Also didn't mean to insult you by saying you're an amateur, since I am too. It is just that one of the big hegemons of fantasy writing likely had their conceptions years or decades in the making, not starting from square 0.
+
+>>21928317
+Real il duce vibes with the judge there, I like it
+--- 21929031
+>>21926578 (OP)
+What are some cool magic systems that you've seen in fantasy settings, ones that are particularly inspiring? For instance, I'm a big fan of the systems in the Cosmere books by Brandon Sanderson.
+--- 21929051
+>>21928939
+Reminder to stop responding to automated chatbots and report automated chatbots when you see them.
+--- 21929061
+>>21929031
+Here are some types:
+Draws heat out of the air
+Destroys the environment
+Damages the caster
+Uses others as a power source 
+Uses jewels/gems as power source 
+Uses metals
+True name
+Various words
+Arbitary environmental factors 
+Equivalent exchange
+Elemental 
+Deity
+Leylines
+Mana
+Materia 
+Dragons
+Stored up concepts 
+Colors/Breath 
+Runes 
+Hand motions 
+Psionic 
+Food 
+Completely arbitary 
+Technology 
+Math 
+Etc
+--- 21929082
+>>21928997
+Which books would you prefer?
+--- 21929148
+>>21929001
+>Algis Budrys
+Hey now, a countryman made on the list. I think I heard of him, but since sci fi is not my thing compared to fantasy I have not read his stuff.
+--- 21929157
+>>21929061
+For me? It's true names. I'm also a fan of Ye Olde witch rules, where anything you do to somebody else comes back on you three times as hard.
+--- 21929191
+>>21929157
+Credence...
+--- 21929349
+>>21929061
+Magic is so fucking cool.
+I have to stop wasting time and get reading.
+There's so much to enjoy...
+--- 21929354
+>>21928628
+well, they are kind of aryan
+--- 21929360
+>>21929191
+...Clearwater...
+--- 21929362
+>>21929191
+>>21929360
+ah no, that's creedence
+--- 21929367
+>>21929031
+Vancian magic
+--- 21929371
+i want to write fantasy novel but my god is it hard
+--- 21929479
+>>21929362
+Sneedence Chuckwater
+--- 21929495
+>>21929031
+Dave Wolverton was Sanderson's writing mentor. Try the Runelords.
+--- 21929514
+>>21929031
+Dragon Prince and Dragon Star trilogies by Melanie Rawn, Sanderson read that when he was young and made a big impact on him.
+--- 21929547
+>>21929371
+It’s not that hard but doing it well and having it be something someone out there wants to buy, both the publishing companies and anons, that is the challenge.
+--- 21929640
+>>21928515
+Sepulchrave.
+--- 21929675
+>>21928572
+think of what you want, what is important, and then keep talking with GPT4 about it.
+this is the future 100%. it's like that skilled editor or knowledgeable colleague that only the lucky used to have.
+--- 21929688
+>>21929061
+I wish for something that is Naruto but even just SLIGHTLY consistent about its magic system, power levels, world building, etc.
+--- 21929705
+>>21929688
+I mean... I'll vaguely gesture towards Cradle.
+--- 21929719
+>>21929688
+The House of Blades.
+Naruto, One piece and Bleach combined.
+--- 21929769
+>>21929688
+Agreed. I like naruto and would like to write something inspired by it one day, as fantasy. 
+For now just writing space novels.
+--- 21929873
+any universe like asoiaf but made by someone obsessed with cuckolding instead of incest? ideally has orcs as a race.
+--- 21929985
+>>21929873
+bakker
+--- 21930020
+>>21928515
+Gertrude, Fuschia, Mr Flay
+--- 21930138
+>>21929031
+Why is vin a man?
+--- 21930143
+>>21929873
+Probably the apocalypse series by bakker
+--- 21930154
+Why is there no fucking art of the dread empire series
+It's such a cool setting with so many memorable scenes
+I wanna see art of a necromantically raised fetus that floats in a bubble killing (unkillable by normal means) large shadow demon monsters by picking them up and then dropping them from 30000 feet in the air
+--- 21930202
+Is Neal Stephenson any good?
+Picked up Cryptonomicon and Snow Crash at a church store for a dollar
+Cryptonomicon is very thick
+--- 21930322
+>>21930202
+Not really, it's the fun kind of shlock though
+--- 21930360
+>>21929873
+see >>21929514 there's only emotional incest. there aren't orcs but the second trilogy is about a barbarian horde invasion, so it's similar.
+--- 21930370
+>>21930322
+Ah
+Oh well, only cost a dollar
+--- 21930374
+>>21930202
+He's a very fun author and Snow Crash taught me some information on the Bible I had no idea about.I do think The Diamond Age is better, so if you do like his other two books, you should give it a read.
+--- 21930384
+>>21929688
+What are the rules there? Correct movements and the caster's energy? Also a latent talent, I assume. I don't know if Naruto can just pick up Sand Jutsu.
+Naruto aside, ninja magic is cool.
+--- 21930498
+>>21930154
+>dread empire
+How does it compare with Black Company?
+--- 21930518
+>>21930498
+Tbh I like it better and I love tbc
+One issue with tbc I think is it one really, really long ass story
+Dread empire is split PoVs like more modern fantasy and has basically one 3books series that can be seen as complete, then a prequel book and then another 3book series that wraps everything up although the final book is considered by most people to feel a little rush, the payoff and finality of it is still satisfying
+--- 21930527
+>>21930518
+Who's the Lady of the series? I know Cook would have one...
+Who's Soulcatcher?
+--- 21930539
+>>21929675
+Thanks for reminding me. I'm curious what chatGPT types would be with coming up with names. 
+>Ask it to come up with five place names in old church slavonic since I was having to try and come up with place names in that and it was a bitch to find in latin script. 
+>Gives me five solid results.
+>One is an existing city in Bulgaria but the rest aren't
+>definitions seem accurate too
+Damn son this is kinda cool.
+--- 21930558
+My friend recommended me the First Law series by Abercombie. Is it good? I saw there were 9 books and I want to know if it was worth it before I sink into it.
+--- 21930577
+>>21930558
+It's not really 9 books, it's 3 loosely connected trilogies. I'm reading the third book of the first trilogy and it's really good shit so far.
+--- 21930608
+>>21930384
+Its just cultivation. The hand movements are how they make their chakra(chi) behave a certain way. Like in wuxia, how the chi paths determine how your chi flows and behaves. Well since you have chi paths in your hands, the naruto ninjas just change the properties of their chi er chakra er wait no space mana uh... well they use hand signs to make IT gain differebt properties and behaviors when it flows through the hands.
+
+Its cool, but the series abandons it almost immediately in favor of innate techniques and inherited chakra properties.
+--- 21930708
+An underrated but comfy aspect of Lord of the Mysteries is when he pretends to be a socialite; either hanging out at the divination club, the club as Sherlock, the country club and/or country estate as Dwayne and pretending to be an entire city

lit/21926675.txt

@@ -23,3 +23,95 @@ where else would it be? the bladder? lol
 >I am strong, therefore I don't need to think
 Only death and suffering is along this path, congradulations
 >t. used to think this way and know people who think this way
+--- 21928169
+>mfw Plato thinks cum is stored in the brain
+--- 21928263
+>>21926920
+The idea isn't that "the strong doesn't need to think", but that Plato's philosophy round the need to take control of the state. He who rules isn't preocupied about what another government could be, or how it could be virtuous - the ruler is always occupied in exercising power to organize society to his will (or their will in most cases, since there is never "a (1)" ruler).
+--- 21928274
+>>21926675 (OP)
+Behold! A man!
+--- 21928866
+>>21926675 (OP)
+That's a scientific fact doe. Your cum is made of brain fluid, nice try trying to swtich it up trying to say brain fluid is actually made of cum, almost as if you actually know what you're doing but you're trying to dissuade people..
+It's as simple as
+>be me, clear head
+>coom all my cum away
+>brain is now foggy as fuck
+>hmm cum and brain related, full balls good empty balls bad
+--- 21928875
+>>21926675 (OP)
+LOL what an atheist loser, everyone knows cum is stored in backbone, god told me
+--- 21928876
+>>21926675 (OP)
+Is he wrong though? I think he has a real point.
+--- 21928880
+>>21926810
+The sovl?
+--- 21928922
+>>21926823
+>All philosophy is but incellectual cope; 
+This also applies to historians. They would be too busy to write histories if they were actually successful.
+
+https://scholars-stage.org/history-is-written-by-the-losers/
+>Sima Guang would never have finished his history had he not been shunted out of Song court politics. Had Thucydides defeated Brasidas, he would be known today not as a historian, but as a military strategist, a strategist who never had the time to travel the world and collect the material needed to write his history. Even winning historians need time in defeat to write their histories—had Churchill’s party not been kicked out of power by British voters after the Second World War was over, Churchill’s famous account of that war would never have been written.
+--- 21929674
+>>21926675 (OP)
+He never said that. Aristotle might have because Aristotle wrote lots of science crap that is outdated and stupid for ancient times even (ie women have 40 teeth and their hymens physically move around their bodies) but Plato never said anything like that.
+--- 21929824
+>>21926675 (OP)
+He's right.
+>he isn't sending cum up and down his spine
+--- 21929827
+dios mio... logoi spermatikoi...
+--- 21929830
+The original Nofapper
+--- 21929845
+>>21929674
+Yes he did retard, read Timaeus
+--- 21929850
+>>21929845
+Fuck, wrong pic
+--- 21929888
+>>21926675 (OP)
+It might as well be
+--- 21929904
+>>21926675 (OP)
+I guess I'll give up the coomer life then. What's the acceptable bare minimum? Nutting in a slut every Saturday night?
+--- 21929910
+>>21926857
+Plato was descended from the aristocrats and Archons (kings) who ruled over Athens for hundreds of years. His hatred of the democrats is mosty because they took away all the power his family had consolidated.
+--- 21929914
+>>21929850
+How did these niggas came up with this shit and then started saying it with so much confidence?
+--- 21929917
+he is absolutely correct
+--- 21929929
+>>21929904
+Socrates is very clear about this in Xenophon's Socratic Dialogues. You find a fat/ugly girl who's easy and pound her out once a month to get it out of your system with minimal distraction. DO NOT go after hot girls, they're more effort than they're worth and generally disappointing.
+
+Also if you're getting married the ideal age is 14. This was you can still mold her into a desirable wife who will arrange the things in your home in satisfying ways and make sure that your wine is kept in a cool room and your treasure is kept in a windowless room and that all your possessions are kept in corresponding boxes. It's very important that your 14 year old wife knows how to maximize space.
+--- 21930096
+>>21926675 (OP)
+>he doesn’t know that unused cum is converted into neuro-steroids 
+>he doesn’t know Plato is entirely metaphorical 
+>he doesn’t get the reference to Athena bursting from Zeus’ head
+--- 21930112
+>>21928922
+Caesar wrote the Bellum Gallicum while on campaign BTFO'ing the Gauls
+--- 21930121
+>>21930096
+>>he doesn’t get the reference to Athena bursting from Zeus’ head
+Oh shit, I never thought about it like that
+--- 21930157
+>>21930096
+>nfw Plato knew modern science in the 2000 BCE
+--- 21930288
+>>21926675 (OP)
+Coomers vindicate him
+--- 21930291
+>>21926675 (OP)
+pee is stored in the balls
+--- 21930297
+>>21929929
+Based. He was right about everything.

lit/21926867.txt

@@ -8,3 +8,8 @@ de sade
 --- 21926982
 >>21926867 (OP)
 Borges' the double is a great short story on fatherhood.
+--- 21928051
+"Prayer for my Daughter" by Yeats is a pretty weird and at times moving poem. Worth checking out.
+--- 21929712
+>>21926982
+sick

lit/21926897.txt

@@ -210,3 +210,91 @@ if you think the german revolution can be boiled down to jews being involved you
 >>21927373
 irregardless a brilliant move removing them knowing how they lean politically. I'd also take his >>21927346 word over yours
 any kvetching on you from that matter is just further endorsement of the fact
+--- 21927493
+Post hand
+--- 21927505
+>>21927333
+I am a Serbian. When Germans came, they instructed others to kill Serbs, which saused 700 000 serb civilians to die. Germans thenselves killed thousands of our children. For each one german soldier killed by a rebel, 50 Serb civilians were killed. Stop using your jew hate as an excuse. Not my monkeys, not my circus, but Nazis were racist to Jews, Gypsies, Serbs, and Russians... they called us demihumans.... they acted like beasts. Killing children of any race is fucking depraved, regardless of whiny bs reasons. They use these same values today in the EU... Sholtz....Fonder Lien....Berbok.... NAZIS...
+--- 21927513
+>>21927285
+>create universalist religion with yourself at the center
+>exploit period of political havoc to infect gentiles with it
+>swarm their lands, exploit religious laws to commit usury and other social disease
+>gentiles poisoned with your universalist brain rot lack the moral foundation to deal with you appropriately
+>as an absolute last resort, the worst they can do is insist upon conversion
+>bitch and whine about it anyway, maybe go undermine another country for a few generations
+>it‘s gentiles‘ fault for having the universalist religion
+--- 21927580
+>>21926947
+Yes anon the entire point is the increasing redditardation of the glanton gang
+--- 21927583
+>>21927333
+Suck Hitler's balls Nazi apologist
+--- 21927586
+>>21927513
+Those mean Jews threatening or innocent huwhite society!!!
+--- 21927618
+>>21926905
+The bible is stories that didn't happen. BM written with similar idea. BM is a commentary on fiction as well. Judge is a literary figure that will always be lurking in fiction.
+--- 21927695
+>>21927580
+cope, this text is trash
+--- 21927748
+>>21927695
+Yeah, I'm coping because some 4channel incel has terrible taste
+--- 21927752
+>>21927586
+Post more cartoons as neologistic clapbacks you faggot child
+--- 21928062
+>>21926925
+So you did came for wendigoon?
+Wow what a shock
+Get fucked faggot
+--- 21928066
+>>21927101
+Warlock
+--- 21928300
+>>21928062
+he did came, he did came a lot
+--- 21928321
+>>21927748
+like you're doing now?
+--- 21928322
+>>21926897 (OP)
+Cormac is simultaneously a midwit and a god tier writer.
+--- 21929411
+>>21926905
+>Mommy come look I eschewed the use of a comma just like Charlie "Cormac" McCarthy
+Fuck you
+--- 21930535
+this book is shit
+--- 21930544
+>>21930535
+Retard
+--- 21930566
+>take the western genre
+>remove everything that makes it inspiring and thought-provoking 
+>in its place write several hundred pages of meaningless comic book-tier edgegore
+it's trash
+--- 21930568
+>>21930566
+Read the book instead of blabbering fantasy bullshit, retarded chud.
+--- 21930578
+>>21930568
+read more books, redditard
+--- 21930645
+>>21930578
+Vastly better read than you, you low IQ ape
+--- 21930678
+>>21930544
+cope edgelord
+--- 21930687
+>>21930678
+Cope low IQ trash
+--- 21930697
+Every fucking thread. Jews, Trans people, cuckolding, or BBC. It never ends.
+
+This is the truth. Hitler lost and the nazis did. The "1000 year Reich" fell apart in under 15 years. You're never getting what you want. Trans people will continue to be accepted and the world will continue to shift left. So either go ahead and publish that schizo manifesto or neck yourself.
+--- 21930721
+>>21926897 (OP)
+>overwritten

lit/21927020.txt

@@ -57,3 +57,1182 @@ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELWXfj5rqnI [Embed]
 --- 21927366
 >>21927041
 You should be executed
+--- 21927400
+>>21927020 (OP)
+Im telling you guys, as I got older, I realised that women overall just have this nature in them to want to control things. The problem is, although they can get control very easily they more often than not aren't very responsible with it. Or they misuse it that it leads to destruction, most of the times without even meaning or intending to. Eg. Being accepting of things that are blatantly wrong to gain favor.
+
+It always starts in the homes, where they destroy the husband by making him a weaker (simp) version of himself just to survive her (remember that silly "happy wife happy life" motto that basically implies to give in to her for everything which then often backfires long term), or he ends up leaving. Then they have free reign to impose their nature onto their kids and control them in some way. Sometimes it's done covertly, through excess coddling which they claim is "love" but then destroys the kids long term as it leaves them unprepared. Or they impose their own traumas, neurosis, complaints about other people (like their father) onto the kids which they then start to identify with passively. Then the cycle continues where the daughters become like her by being controlling with future partners and kids, and the sons either become straight up incels or end up marry women like her who weakens them which stops them from protecting their kids as they should from her. Both sons/daughters thinking it's the normal way to be.
+--- 21927404
+>>21927400
+Cont.
+
+Seems to be the reason why a lot of issues in society stem from absentee father's or weak father's. I feel there really needs to be a balance of energies. Women need to be self aware of their nature and give up this controlling nature and men need to be strong enough to be able to HANDLE that nature so that it doesn't ruin their kids and protect them from it.
+
+
+Seems to be why women are the more neurotic, anxiety ridden types. It all stems from wanting to control things, or not being able to control things
+
+What do you think?
+--- 21927420
+>>21927404
+
+Yeah pretty accurate. I suffered one of the mothers.
+--- 21927444
+Sex is a foreign concept to me.
+--- 21927456
+>>21927041
+You are 100% right, that's why there are 0 counter arguments presented
+--- 21927459
+>>21927020 (OP)
+Sex is fun but have you tried very very very good burgers? And when cats actually comes to you when you pspspspsps them
+--- 21927462
+>>21927041
+What she's doing is nasty but I would personally put her in jail for maybe 1 year maximum. She needs to be institutionalize for what she did. I think 10 years is too much.
+--- 21927475
+>>21927400
+>>21927404
+>>21927420
+Agreed, that’s what happened in my family and seems to be very common nowadays.
+--- 21927490
+>>21927404
+I think we are too far gone, women know, either consciously or unconsciously that the government and non-government organizations will back whatever they do and what ever they want. The FBI is now tagging MGTOW and the Manosphere groups as terror groups, they are actively filtering for words like Chad, Stacey, and based. While I don't think that its over, they obviously want to enforce their gynocentric onto the culture.
+I don't really understand their game, I thought that most big government thought that immigration regardless of legality was a good thing? I don't see why they are worrying about the birth rate when they could just import more immigrants. They were so quick to want to replace the native population but they are no pissed that they are replacing the native population? Maybe its a "Hydra's many heads" problem, but its obvious that they are going to try to force men into accepting not being able to afford anything and accept being a 2nd class citizen while also supporting the society. Which a lot of men don't want to do, hence why there are 7 billion men between the ages of 24 to 54 who just left the job market and are doing nothing more than staying at home watching tv or surfing the internet.
+--- 21927647
+>>21927420
+>>21927475
+>>21927490
+
+It's interesting how you can trace a lot of people's or societies problems to it. 
+ whether it's suicides, sluts with "daddy issues", transgenders, incels, school shooter types. It's almost always rooted to controlling women who imposed their nature onto them due to no father or weakened fathers who couldn't protect them. Or women accepting and promoting this weakened state of other people. 
+
+Eg. Every guy deep down knows trannies are ridiculous yet women mostly accept it because they don't want to be "mean" which in itself is a way to control being favoured or not. Then guys who accept trannies only do so because they want brownie points from women who accept transgenderism. Another example of how they get easy control but don't use it wisely which is to tell the truth.
+
+It's funny too how women say they dress up or do their makeup "just for themselves" which is false or else they would do it just at home. The idea is that deep down it rooted to another form to control how other people perceive them. They deep down enjoy the control they have of men who silently (or explicitly) notice them.
+
+But I dunno, it's all so weird. But what exactly is the solution?
+--- 21927688
+>>21927647
+>g. Every guy deep down knows trannies are ridiculous yet women mostly accept it because they don't want to be "mean" which in itself is a way to control being favoured or not. Then guys who accept trannies only do so because they want brownie points from women who accept transgenderism. Another example of how they get easy control but don't use it wisely which is to tell the truth.
+Women tend to want to be in groups more than men, their hormones and their physically smaller frames mean that they are psychologically way more likely to form into groups, specifically groups that benefit them because Women are evolutionarily more concerned with the accumulation and preservation of the resources they have for kids. Because women are inherently social this creates a lot of weird dynamics in the group, there is a podcast by Chris Williamson that explains some of the reasons for what you are seeing and why.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5w0sALvppU [Embed]
+>It's funny too how women say they dress up or do their makeup "just for themselves" which is false or else they would do it just at home.
+They do it for both themselves and to attract someone. Women, mainly, use flower tactics to attract men. Its why they get flattered when you compliment their face and bodies, they then are validated that they are pretty and they know what they are doing is working. Men do the same thing with working out in general. Both Men and Women will enforce standards onto other Men and Women that comes from the misconception of what they think the opposite sex wants, mainly because the opposite sex is either not straightfoward with what they want or for an ideological/cultural reason.
+There is a really good example in Islam about this with women. Originally, the Quran says women should cover themselves, it says nothing about how much or a veil. I think it does mention a veil later but its debated if the veil is optional or not. My point being is that the Quran doesn't explicitly order anything more than "cover your women.". The reason why you everything from hijab, to hijab and scarf, all the way up to fully covered was due to the women within Islam itself. Women in that society wanted a man and they knew that their piety would attract a man but also give them social status. What happens is a female arms race as women covered up more and more over time to garner more piety to signal their attractiveness. This also ended up awarding them more power socially as they are seen as more pious than women who didn't cover as much, creating a "social aristocracy" where they could then look down upon other women who didn't cover up as much. And it basically continued to the point where you see women who don't even show their face.
+>But what exactly is the solution?
+I have no idea, but it won't be anything violent. I've always admired hermits and recluses so I'm probably just gonna dip out of society and retire extremely early.
+--- 21927692
+Yesterday I went to a remote place in a forested area with a dammed lake to knap glass in peace. I chose this specific place because the only people who go there are fishermen. I parked the car in front of the entrance of what used to be a holiday house for students and started working on an arrowhead. In a couple of hours a car stopped right behind me and honked. I went in my car to move it, as it was apparent the other person wanted to get inside. As I was starting my car, I saw a woman get out of the other car, so I lowered my window and she asked me "Do you speak english? I live here.". I barely got a "yes" out of me, I was so flabbergasted as this was the last place I was expected somebody to live and in addition to that - a foreigner. She said she saw me working with antlers and glass and invited me for a tea, because I looked "alternative and into nature". I let her proceed with her car and in 10 minutes it started raining, so I went inside myself. 
+
+Two dogs kept barking at me, and they got really agressive when she came out; one of them, which howled like a jackal at times, almost bit me. She showed me around, there was land that she used for growing vegetables, a couple of large buildings that she had started renovating with random people, when there were other people there. When we went to her room for some tea, she said she's from Belgium and has lived here for the past 9 years. She was into self-sustaining land management, construction of structures out of natural materials and so on, that's what her PhD was about. I myself want to buy a house in this area so I can dedicate my life to working on something that will last. So we talked for a couple of hours and I left. She was very sweet I wish her all the best. I'll visit her in the near future.
+--- 21927693
+>>21927400
+My mom has ruined the lives of me and all my siblings with her domineering psychosis. Is it any wonder I'm a 32 year old virgin who lives at home? I was never allowed to be anything else.
+--- 21927703
+>>21927692
+Sounds like a lovely day Anon, you might even make a friend there.
+--- 21927707
+>>21927693
+That's the exact thing I'm talking about and I'm sure a lot of people who end up on this site had similar experiences. Sure these women think what they're doing is the right thing but it almost always leads to suffering.
+
+What's that saying? A road to hell is paved with good intentions. That's exactly what a woman's controlling nature leads to. Even working with women can be a nightmare, they get a promotion and take that power as "do as I say, just because I'm the boss now" and if you challenge it or show them another way that is more efficient they will bully or HR you. And what's that other HR stereotype, they're all in that role because they enjoy the control aspect of it.
+--- 21927712
+>>21927707
+Cont. 
+
+It almost makes sense seeing that because they are smaller and weaker naturally, they have to self preserve in other ways, which is psychological control, whether it's manipulating others low key even in a "positive" manner or agreeing with things that are false to be with the safety of the group.
+--- 21927714
+>>21927703
+Indeed, she knows her area pretty damn good as well. I have thought about doing field surveys in that region to register archaeological sites and she knows several. She even showed me a couple fragments from marble figurines, most likely from the Roman period.
+--- 21927720
+>>21927020 (OP)
+I'm halfway through college and its just starting to really dawn on me that zoomers are actually mentally disabled. Covid lockdowns and over socialization broke what little personality they had. Just dull annoying people repeating twitter talking points while remaining disengaged completely from any real conversation within the classroom. At this point i dont think its even worth it to continue towards grad school. At least the retards i'm dealing with now aren't up their own ass.
+--- 21927727
+>>21927707
+I wasn't allowed to go outside alone until high school and every time before I left through the door I'd get a list of demands and checks, if I had my phone, if I ate, etc... I didn't realize how much this sort of thing stressed me out until once my mother was taking a sick day and she was still sleeping while I left. Not having to be confronted before opening the door like that was such a weird and overwhelming relief. At that point I also understood half the reason I never went outside except to go to school was to avoid this kind of confrontational check. It probably sounds stupid but I'm for lack of a better word afraid and ashamed to have to explain myself if I were to try and do something, so I just don't.
+
+I still don't go outside or talk to anyone or do anything, and haven't for over a decade since I dropped out of college. I once made a brief comment about our neighbor's son joining the military (I mentioned he's the same age as me) and she became hysterical at the shadow of the suggestion explaining how he's a loser and unintelligent and ungrateful and hurting his family.
+
+I'm reminded of Brave New World. Of how the construction workers are incubated upside down, at hot temperatures, or high up to acclimate them for their future and inevitable professions.
+
+I like this Wojak because it doesn't make eye contact just like me.
+--- 21927729
+>>21927727
+Jesus fucking christ.
+--- 21927743
+>>21927727
+I'm looking at you anon
+--- 21927744
+Things are finally starting to feel normal. I feel at place
+--- 21927762
+>>21927020 (OP)
+I think I'm pretty content being my own best friend, its not worth making connections with other people. I like me because I don't disagree with me and I really love to hear myself talk, I have such a dignified voice. the hell with other people, I'm a great dude.
+--- 21927767
+>>21927020 (OP)
+Peepeepoopoo
+--- 21927784
+>>21927727
+>I didn't realize how much this sort of thing stressed me out until once my mother was taking a sick day and she was still sleeping while I left. Not having to be confronted before opening the door like that was such a weird and overwhelming relief. At that point I also understood half the reason I never went outside except to go to school was to avoid this kind of confrontational check. It probably sounds stupid but I'm for lack of a better word afraid and ashamed to have to explain myself if I were to try and do something, so I just don't.
+>I still don't go outside or talk to anyone or do anything, and haven't for over a decade since I dropped out of college.
+
+Fuck, are you me, I went through the exact same thing that it jsut really became a nuisance and embarrassing with friends that I just stopped. Even now at 33 if I'm just going out she will ask where I'm going even though I barely go anywhere since I don't have friends anymore, nor have I had friends in over a decade. 
+
+It was sso embarrassing one time I just went to drop off eBay packages I sold, she was in he room and mustve heard me start my car and just had to go out in her dressing gown asking me where I was going. Like what the actual fuck. You don't realise it and people might think it's small or nothing, but having these "small things" constantly done actually builds up and kills you little by little. Even driving with her in the car is so frustrating becusse she projects all her neurotic tendencies onto whoever's driving. Even when I first got my license my dad didn't mind me driving but when she was around she would always make comments like "you don't have much experience" which slowly kills your confidence. And before I knew it my driving capabilities suffered where I only drive very locally and get very paranoid about parking 
+
+I don't even know what to do. People will say just move out but I literally don't know how or what steps to take. And it feels embarassing how TF I'm going to be a completely noob talking to a landlord or whatever to organise this now having ever done it before at the age of 33 
+
+I don't even have a job ATM because I wasn't prepared and only worked a min wage job. I know it's my fault ultimately for not preparing myself but at the same time I didn't know that the goal was to get away from my mother/parents as I didn't see them as a negative force in my life. They literally didn't think it was weird I didn't go out much or they I didn't have a social life or have things in order.
+
+It's interesting now I mention it because it's the exact same dynamic in my aunties family, where all the kids left yet I have one cousin who kind of ended up like me (well me ending up like him) back in the day I felt sorry for him but didn't realise my mother was doing the exact same thing to me.
+--- 21927793
+>>21927784
+I honestly feel so weird at the idea of getting a job again because I'm 33 and I know new coworkers will find out I still live at home and find out again I have no social life. On top of that I'm 33 and have no real skills since I worked a min wagie retail job for 7 years.
+
+My old coworkers im sure picked up on it or didn't care about me living from home because I was working there formwhen I was 25 so they were the closest things to friends to me. But now I'm older and still in the same position seems like it's worse
+--- 21927795
+> start reading voraciously at 26
+> start writing at 30
+Now, I can’t help but feel it was over before it ever even started.
+--- 21927800
+>>21927795
+It feels like the potential for any path you take is severely lowered if you take it after 30 regardless. All of the greats get on theirs before 30.
+--- 21927808
+>>21927784
+Moving out is easy. You find apartment listings online, you ask them for a quick tour if it’s nearby or a video tour if it’s not, you go look at for 15 minutes and ask about the rent, the utility cost, laundry facilities, parking, what kind of people live near by, and what they available lease term is. That’s it really.
+--- 21927815
+I don't want to offer specific details about my life but I will say that I am in very deep in a certain situation and the cognitive dissonance I've been feeling, as a result of the contrast of the aggregate feeling -- of being unable to distinguish the difference between false hope and genuine belief -- and the feeling that I'm heading down the wrong path, has been tearing me apart, slowly, piece by piece. But it's also made me calloused, and there's beauty to be found in it
+--- 21927819
+>>21927800
+>All of the greats get on theirs before 30.
+Untrue doomer crap
+--- 21927823
+>>21927819
+It’s not like I want to believe this, but it seems like fate is real and it typically intervenes relatively early. If you can identify a single person who didn’t I’ll admit I’m wrong.
+--- 21927835
+I dig my own grave and now I'm unable to get out of it.
+--- 21927839
+>>21927784
+>>21927727
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjfClL6nogo [Embed]
+--- 21927843
+>>21927823
+Look, it’s not too late to really buckle down and commit at 30. Plenty of greats didn’t write their first novel until their 30s, or didn’t publish until their 30s. But none of them, not a single 1, discovered reading and writing this late. Not 1. Dante wrote La Vita Nuova in his early 30s and the La Divina Commedia in his late 30s, but Dante had been writing poetry since he was a teenager. Don DeLillo started writing his first novel at 30, but he had published a short story at 24 and had a career as a copywriter from 22. Tolkien started writing The Hobbit at 44, but he had been writing and writing for his whole life and had poems published in the school newspaper at 19. I could go on and on.
+--- 21927847
+>>21927823
+>>21927843
+Starting reading and writing at 30 is a totally different thing that starting at 18 but not getting serious until 30.
+--- 21927852
+>>21927839
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzrIV8yhKpE [Embed]
+probably more pertinent
+--- 21927853
+>>21927839
+Fuck. 2 mins 30 really hit home 
+
+In the 33 year old guy, Wtf do I even do at this point. Even when it comes to simply driving I feel so nervous going anywhere beyond locally that I avoid it now. I can't even take myself anywhere I want. Yet here I am, 33 , had my license since i was 18 and should really have all or most of the nuances of driving down. I should even have a good mind map of my city but I don't becusse I barely went anywhere besides work and have no where to go. So when there is a social event I avoid it because I'm so embarrassed and fearful of going.
+
+I didn't realise how badly my shit accrued. Even now, I got fired for being unvaxxed due but my old work let me know a position is available. However it's a casual position which means I will be needing to drive all over the place to work different sites. Even busier areas.
+
+Should I just go back to my old job and go from there. I don't even know where to go from here seeing the past year of being unemployed I've been so fearful of new workplaces due to things like parking and not knowing the reads to get there despite having thing alike GPS these days
+--- 21927863
+>>21927839
+Can Peter Pan be blamed for not growing up in his own. From where I’m sitting, it looks like parents turn their kids into Peter Pan by either reinforcing Peter Pan behavior or not doing anything at all for them. TV and High School/College do the work of the parents now and they do it terribly.
+--- 21927866
+>>21927852
+Fuck bro. 
+
+This guy here ( >>21927852 ) Just started that one and its already hitting so close to home. I really don't know wtf to do or how to get help. I'm so ahsamed of my situation and don't have friends anymore to even turn to. I feel so fucked up. Even going to my sisters family events (like my niece and nephews bday) is feeling weird because I go with my parents as I still live at home and don't have a family of my own. Even though I'm the one driving, I feel like a kid on the same level as the kids rather than one of the "adults" at the party
+
+I also fear the exact same thing is going to happen to my brother's kids as my brother jsut liemhos soon ex wife reign in their household weakening everyone there. Probably because she has a similar nature to our mother which my brother probably never truly overcame either. What the heck.
+--- 21927882
+>>21927795
+You already lived a life and have plenty of ideas, experiences and observational skill. Don't beat yourself up. Your legacy will not be about when you wrote, but what you wrote.
+--- 21927883
+>>21927404
+Men don’t have the legal rights to take authority of their households and women have access to legal rights to destroy it.
+--- 21927886
+>>21927020 (OP)
+identify this painting for me please
+--- 21927888
+>>21927853
+First of all, have you tried to talking to your mother about the fact that she hurts your confidence?
+--- 21927900
+>>21927882
+Well, this is the other thing. I really don’t feel like I have lived a life with experiences. I chased a degree at my state uni a few hours from where I grew up from 18-24 and was a failure of a college student but was an otherwise normal college student. I chased a series of jobs from 24-26, and then at 26 I settled into a job back in the same town I went to college in and get this, at the same college I went to. I feel I’ve really not done anything worth mentioning with my life. I’ve spent nearly my entire adult life in the same town, at the same school, doing nothing in particular and not even doing it particularly well. So I really just feel like I don’t have anything going for me now.
+--- 21927903
+>>21927808
+I appreciate that friend. I really am lost and don't know what to do. 
+
+I'm 33 and im so behind. And with the cost of everything going up, it's making me even more worried if I can even make it on my own now.
+--- 21927908
+>>21927888
+Yes I have. I tried it nicely reminding her im a grown man and don't need to be questioned where I'm going, I even been a bit harsher yet whichever approach it jsut falls on deaf ears or doesn't get it. Or she just makes it out "cos she loves me and cares" which is more irritating.
+
+Then I get treated like the bad guy for it.
+--- 21927910
+>>21927020 (OP)
+
+Behold, as I find myself ensconced within the confines of my office, pulling a 24-hour shift, while my esteemed guild in the realm of World of Warcraft ventures forth to make strides in content progression bereft of my presence. One can only hope that they are merrily partaking in the spoils of their toil.
+--- 21927915
+my tummy hurts
+--- 21927917
+>>21927839
+>tfw 30 yo old infant
+oh, I was too late
+--- 21927937
+>>21927888
+It truly does feels like what the guy who brought up the subject mentioned
+
+>The problem is, although they can get control very easily they more often than not aren't very responsible with it. Or they misuse it that it leads to destruction, most of the times without even meaning or intending to.
+
+Im sure my mother isn't doing anything like this on purpose but she completely lacks selfawareness about her behaviour or what she's doing and that it isn't exactly a good thing.
+
+My brother is back home again since he is getting a divorc and she caters to his every whim seeing that I reject and have been finding her doing things for me irritable for years and have told her so. Yet she doesn't seem to listen or care.
+
+Even simply asking me if I've eaten or asking what I'm going to eat is irritable because i keep saying to jsut cook for her and dad and I'll figure out my own thing. I don't understand why she can't just understand that. Even asking my what I'm going to eat as though I'm this completely helpless person who can't tend to myself. I'm not sure if she honestly thinks it but it sometimes feels like she treats me like a moron who cant even figure out if I'm hungry or not or that I have no idea what I am supposed to do if I am. It's so frustrating.
+--- 21927944
+>>21927903
+It’s hard right now. I think moving out would be good if you can manage it, but your priority should be work and relationships. When you die, nobody is going to care when you moved out but you might care what you did with your time here on earth and who you did it with. 
+
+>>21927908
+Is that in the moment though? Have you tried approaching here when she’s calm and just saying “Mom, can I talk to you about something?”
+--- 21927950
+>>21927937
+I think the key here though is there’s no way to make someone else change. You have to gain independence and then figure out where your mother fits into the puzzle of your life. You might find that when you live with her, you blame her for so much but when you’re on your own and being independent you don’t even think about it and can get a long just fine.
+--- 21927968
+>>21927888
+Really though, you try and say to stop it or tell her off for treating you like a moron and she goes on her whoa is me moments acting like no one appreciates what she does for them , no one cares about her etc etc.
+
+It all makes sense now, there really is this innate sense to control things. She does the exact same with the grand kids. Catering to every frivolous whim instead of having set rules like haivng them eat at the table, eating proper food etc. Which just leads to chaos because kids don't know what they want .
+
+Also if the kids are around she jsut puts them straight away on devices as soon as they mention it (even though my sisters household doesn't depend on them) despite them being fine playing with toys just prior
+
+It truly is scarey how destructive this nature really is. She really does set up the gingerbread house giving them sweets and snacks or eat what they want, letting them watch YouTube for hours on end, all just to sedate and neuter them just two they can like her
+--- 21927972
+FUCK SSRIS
+FUCK JEWISH PHARMA COMPANIES
+FUCK PSYCHIATRISTS
+--- 21927977
+I think I might be getting ready to kill myself
+--- 21927978
+>>21927968
+I would say though that you can only do what you can do. And what you can do is to sit down and be like “Mom, here’s all these things I’m insecure about myself, and here’s how I’ve been trying to work on it, and here are the things you’ve been doing which I know mean well but aren’t helping” and see if she puts the breaks on. If she doesn’t, nothing changes. If she does, good. Either way, you’re going to have to pursue self-sufficiency as your primary goal and that includes independence from your mother, but it would be better if you could salvage that relationship into something that makes you better rather than something you have to maintain to keep from breaking you down. 
+
+Women hen peck men into oblivion. This has been known forever. The real failure here is your father and the men in your life or not in your life who failed to teach you that. But now you know that the key is to break free from the hens and to make them stop their pecking.
+--- 21927979
+>>21927900
+I understand. But try to think on what you are passionate about. At first I thought I had no voice. Then I realized
+>read the Bible more than anyone I know outside of preachers, can practically preach myself
+>esoteric conspiracy theory and paranormal connoisseur
+>detailed knowledge about a job many people will never have
+>part of the channer generation from the start
+>multiple mental illnesses
+And while these things are pointless on a resume it begins to make a unique voice. Ray Bradbury had said your voice is the most valuable thing a writer has. Other people cannot write like you. Take a more critical look at how youve spent your time. And if you havent spent it very well, there's certainly a story there that people want to hear.
+--- 21927991
+>>21927979
+I don’t think so. Some things just aren’t interesting. You know you can write a story about a life of suffering. You can’t really write a story about a non-life. And that’s what I feel like I’ve had, a non-life. It’s just going through the motions of school and work in the most mediocre way, and that’s fine until you’re like 25 or something but somewhere between 25 and 29 something has to change if you r want to make something of your life. I didn’t. I basically gave up. I retreated into my remote job, stopped working, and holed up in books. Even then, I spent less time reading than I wish I had because of places like this. I would feel a lot better about this if I were 28 because I would feel like I could at least be confessional and build a career for myself, but at my age it’s basically just over. Nobody wants to hear the whining of a guy in his 30s who isn’t even really suffering. That’s not great literature. That’s trash. My whole life I’ve just been so beyond bored with life and then when I finally find something that lights my fire, I just can’t help but feel like it’s just too late to do anything with it. I really do feel that way. Unique voice or not.
+--- 21927997
+My single biggest regret is entering the effeminate bourgeois environment of college at 18 and not the military instead.
+--- 21928004
+>>21927991
+>You know you can write a story about a life of suffering. You can’t really write a story about a non-life.
+You're completely correct, and I understand what you mean from personal experience. My life was like that up until I was around 25-26-27. What you can do is transmute those experiences and also change the way you live and perceive the world now and in the future. Even though you can't change what was done, you can use it to your advantage in shaping what you are now and in the future. You can also reinterpret it, understand it in a new light, frame it differently to the way you think about it now. It takes patience and flexibility, but it's worth trying. I'm still not happy with my life but I feel more human and more alive, even though objectively speaking (or at least from my previous perspective), my life is still quite bland. I think this is how most people's lives are, and it also increased my empathy and love for others, knowing that they often feel the same about themselves.
+--- 21928007
+>>21927944
+>Is that in the moment though? Have you tried approaching here when she’s calm and just saying “Mom, can I talk to you about something?”
+
+Yes I have but it always goes to her tirades of no one caring. Or when you bring it up she denies she did anything worng. It just frustrates me again when she asks me stuff like if I've eaten or what I'm going to eat even though I never ask her to cook anything for me
+
+>>21927950
+
+But youre right I really need to get some independence but don't really know where to start or how seeing that I have only ever work min wagie jobs and don't have any other real skills. It doesn't help either that I'm ethnic so it's kind of odd to move out unless married.
+
+Funny thing is as I mentioned with my cousins earlier, I really do think their mother (my mother's sister) must have had similar traits. The youngest must've figured it out and moved out at 26 but the girl didn't leave home til 34. I get the vibe they must've been feeling similar to what im feeling now especially the girl cousin.
+--- 21928015
+>>21927977
+Did anything accelerated things?
+--- 21928021
+>>21927978
+>“Mom, here’s all these things I’m insecure about myself, and here’s how I’ve been trying to work on it, and here are the things you’ve been doing which I know mean well but aren’t helping”
+
+I've tried something similar in the past but she always addresses it in a mocking tone or I'm worried she will mention it to my aunties who will spread it to the cousins. Or if at a gathering she will bringing it up in a passive aggressive way and others will hear which is embarrassing. So I avoid that approach.
+
+>>21927978
+>Women hen peck men into oblivion. This has been known forever. The real failure here is your father and the men in your life or not in your life who failed to teach you that. But now you know that the key is to break free from the hens and to make them stop their pecking.
+This is so true. I think it happened to my brother with his wife.
+
+I don't know how my sister escaped it. She seems to have more sense. Apparnelty back in highschool she said to my dad "why do you let her treat you that way". Maybe she saw the wrongness of it and something switched in her to avoid becoming like her
+--- 21928033
+>>21928027
+I'm not really good at anything. Accept that it's fine to not be really good at anything. Stop shooting yourself in the foot at the starting line. Chances are even if you started in your prime, you'd still never be "really good" for a variety of reasons. Just do your best no matter what an be satisfied with whatever you accomplish. Even if you don't "do your best", just do what you find worthy of your time. Make your life worthwhile.
+--- 21928034
+>>21927997
+The grass is always greener. I joined the Army when I was 17 and while I did develop in some ways that I wouldn't have as a college student, I also had some incredibly shitty experiences that I would rather have avoided and overall became a worse person as a result of my service. 
+The military is literally just high school 2.0 in some ways, so if you think you missed out on joining some kind of fraternal brotherhood of steely-eyed, square-jawed Men bound by camaraderie and honor or whatever then you're sadly mistaken.
+--- 21928036
+>>21928007
+Why don’t you talk to your cousins about it?
+--- 21928042
+>>21928021
+My Mom use to Hen peck me because that is what she did to my Dad. IT was about everything I did that she didn't like and I put up with feeling like shit for so long that it broke me but in a good way. I started putting her in her place calming, not screaming, not calling her names or demeaning her, but I would point out her behavior and I called her a bad person and a bad Mother. She reacted emotionally and insulted me and I would point it out to her and then tell her that is exactly how she made me feel all the time. It go through her head and she has been nicer since.
+The key imo, is not to dominate them like how they try to dominate you. Just be calm on the outside as much as possible and but tell her straight what is going down. The moment you emotionally react, they will sense the weakness and slowly open that weakness over time to destroy you to feel better. Ever since I put her in her place but remained calm we have got along so much more now. Women will respect you if you take a path/action/make your mind up about something even if you fuck up and your wrong.
+Best advice I ever got from a man ironically 5 years younger than me was: "Be the driver in your life, you can pick up women and drive with them but don't let them divorce you from your purpose or your goals. If she tries to do that, push back, if she can't accept that, get rid of her. Let them know early on that your the driver and she is coming along the ride with you, not that this is a 50/50 split. She has the freedom to leave, you have the freedom to leave, but never ever give her the wheel of your life."
+--- 21928054
+>>21928033
+I think what you’re failing to understand though is it’s not about having success or being really good while you’re young. It’s failing to have gotten on the path at all. You don’t feel like you’re at the starting line. You feel like the race started a long time ago and you just didn’t know it. You’re not just behind. You’re not yet to run. You lost. That can be very difficult to accept for ambitious people. For ambitious people, finding your ambition late can feel like a death sentence.
+--- 21928074
+My mind has been obsessively looking for things wrong in my relationship lately but I haven't found much. The few things I've noticed are ultimately harmless. We're both neurotic and we talk about things we're unsure about openly so it's pretty stable. This pattern that after solving one issue I have to move on to a bigger issue is frustrating at times though. This is how I tackle my professional work so it makes sense that my brain crosses wires a bunch.
+--- 21928078
+The Wire is overrated.
+--- 21928150
+>>21928078
+I just think you don't give a shit about the topic and characters.
+True Detective is
+Sopranos is
+Breaking Bad is
+Family Guy and American Dad especially are
+--- 21928161
+I have frontflipped off the ramp of a chinook into the Atlantic ocean.
+--- 21928174
+I hope my boyfriend's ex girlfriend gets sex trafficked.
+--- 21928177
+>>21928174
+>tfw no jealous and possessive gf
+--- 21928179
+>>21928150
+You think wrong. It's just overrated. I gave it a fair chance, watched 3 seasons. Watched the first season like 3 times now its so overrated i kept trying. I was born in Baltimore. The show is not great.
+--- 21928185
+>>21928177
+As a possessive girlfriend it is a horrible feeling. I would never wish the way I feel on any other human being.
+--- 21928188
+>>21928161
+Marines?
+--- 21928193
+>>21928185
+Why its a bad thing? Do you feel insecure all the time?
+--- 21928197
+>>21928188
+1st Ranger Batt
+--- 21928206
+>>21928193
+No I feel insane all the time. Like immense hatred and anger because I wasn't the first person he said "I love you" to. I was his first and only sexual partner though.
+--- 21928216
+>>21928206
+>I feel insane all the time. Like immense hatred and anger because I wasn't the first person he said "I love you" to.
+I can understand your frustration. I would feel the same in your position.
+--- 21928225
+>>21928206
+He will never love you the same way he loved her.
+--- 21928226
+>>21928216
+I intentionally make myself upset by finding his old 4chan threads in the archives as well. I don't know what's wrong with me. :c
+--- 21928229
+I just feel like it’s over and it’s not just my head this time. It’s my gut too…
+--- 21928230
+>>21928206
+He thinks about her as he uses you.
+--- 21928233
+>>21928225
+>>21928230
+Gross. He was edating her for a short period of time. How would he fantasize about someone he has never seen in real life?
+--- 21928237
+I feel lonely, but I think I've become too used to how I live to make room for another person, but I have a strong urge to have kids, but there's no way I'll get married let alone meet someone, but plenty of guys uglier and weirder than me do it, but they might just be highly visible outliers, but I'm building up an image of women as hard to approach and highly judgemental and highly selective and with high standards that may not correspond to reality, but what if I'm not and I really am that subpar, but I'll never know if I don't approach anyone, but I don't even want to try in an age where everyone is on Tinder and sexting and fucking from an early age, but I'll probably be alone forever if I don't put myself out there, but I fucking hate "putting myself out there" and socializing and intimacy and touching people and being touched, but I'll never move past that if I don't get out of my comfort zone, but I have a ton of baggage beyond just issues with intimacy that would make a relationship difficult if the other person ever found out about all the things in my past, but that might be true for a lot of people who manage to find someone, but I've done some particularly horrible things that I'll definitely be damned for, but I'm still alive and recognize what I did as wrong so I can still repent, but I'm scared to speak about it aloud to a priest because the selfish part of me fears to suffer the consequences of my actions, but I have to do it as soon as possible because I know death is so very close to me at every moment, but I'm anxious about publicly leaving the cult I was raised in in order to become a real Christian because my family might disown me, but I have to accept that because the truth is more important, but I still wonder if I'm making the right choice after the church I grew up in turned out to be a front for a shitty corporate grift out to take money from people and I don't want to make a choice unless I'm absolutely certain that it's the right one, but I have so little time and even though I don't fear dying I just want to accomplish the important things I need to do before I reach it.
+--- 21928243
+>>21928226
+That does seem like you're feeling guilty about having guilt.
+--- 21928245
+>>21928206
+I was a good boy for a long time but something last year set me off randomly.
+Some new person started working in our department. She was introduced to everyone but me, even though I have a senior position. Everyone started going to lunch together and it became painfully clear no one wanted anything to do with me. All those kinds of signals used to roll right off me, it didn't matter I thought. But in that moment of humiliation it all suddenly meant the world and I became violently obsessed with someone properly introducing me like a decent human being. Everytime I looked at people I could see knives flying through them, blood and bone and melting faces. Every day for two weeks. It was horrifying. I still dont know what happened to me, but I feel like it's passed and I am okay again.
+--- 21928251
+I might have fallen in love with an escort, again. I cannot do it any more. It's too much. I am going to the train tracks now to put my head on the rail. It's over, I just can't fucking cope with this miserable hell anymore. It's so miserable that it's comedic, and the comedy just adds to my pain like I'm being laughed at.
+--- 21928260
+>>21928251
+Boo fucking hoo shut up
+--- 21928272
+How would you hypothetically make family dislike you or find you to be a burden?
+--- 21928273
+>>21928243
+What does this mean? I'm guilty about what? :c
+>>21928245
+I feel like I understand your anger. I hope mine goes away someday.
+--- 21928276
+>>21928197
+I'm jealous. The most I ever got to do was take a single Blackhawk ride back from an exercise with my shitty mechanized infantry company.
+--- 21928277
+>>21928272
+For what purpose?
+--- 21928313
+La vie s'écoule et coule l'avis que porte la multitude sur un monde dont je me contente des franges
+--- 21928324
+If you outlined a book in December 2021 and did a bit of writing but not much and then went on to write the rest of the book in 2022, would you say you started writing the book in 2021 or 2022?
+--- 21928335
+>>21928277
+Does it matter?
+--- 21928338
+>>21928313
+Ainsi bas la vida...
+--- 21928341
+>>21928335
+I just want to know YOUR reason.
+--- 21928343
+>>21928324
+Planning doesnt count, we plan stories in our head our whole lives. Just say you wrote it in 2022. Better yet say you wrote it in 3 weeks. But don't tell anyone the themes only started to matter to you then, because it takes a lot in someone to compel them to tell a story in novel form.
+--- 21928347
+>>21928272
+I don't think poisoning your family against you is a good idea at all... If you need help or if you need something from them, tell them. If its something fucking weird so you can just sit in your room and jerk off all day, your better than that.
+--- 21928348
+>>21928341
+I’d rather not share it.
+--- 21928351
+>>21928343
+Great. I think I’ll just give up in that case. Thanks!
+--- 21928352
+>>21928324
+Would it matter? Some people don't even remember when they have started or ended some of their books, I doubt its going to come up. The most common question you'll probably be asked is "when/why did you start writing." And you just think back to the first time you wrote a poem or a story or something outside of class.
+--- 21928355
+People have likened being labeled a conspiracy theorist to being labeled a heretic, but to take the parallel even further, isn't getting cancelled the same as becoming excommunicated from the church? Did the middle ages ever end?
+--- 21928388
+>>21928348
+Disappointing but understandable.
+--- 21928424
+>>21928276
+One time flying back from a mission I was sitting in the middle of a Blackhawk with the doors open. All of a sudden I feel a splash across my face but don't think anything of it because I was exhausted. Then my squad leader was like, "yo! Are you OK? Your bleeding!" Turns out a bird flew into the rotor and busted all on my face. Good times.
+--- 21928425
+>>21927886
+It's Gerhard Richter's Abstraktes Bild (952-2) from 2017.
+--- 21928432
+>>21927707
+same with my mom, except my siblings get treated way better. I'm the oldest, and my sister according to my mother can do no wrong. because my relationships with women are always fucked up in one way or another.
+--- 21928433
+Kawabata a sexy motherfucker.
+--- 21928439
+>>21927997
+at least you had a choice. college isn't free here and I wasn't cut out for the service because of autism. so I went to trade school instead and got a degree thats practically useless now.
+--- 21928441
+>>21927020 (OP)
+> Friend assumes the worst about me at the moment when I'm most worried about them.
+--- 21928456
+i'm so fucking hungry
+--- 21928467
+>>21928439
+I took at nearly $100k in student loan debt to go because I had no one around me to tell me it wasn’t a good idea. I grew up with a single mom that never took an interest in what I did. She didn’t graduate and from her perspective, a degree was the key to wealth and money. She never once even asked me what I studied. She just didn’t care about the details or if what I was doing was right for me. She expected me to become a doctor or a lawyer. 6 years later I had graduated with a business degree and a barely passimg GPA.
+--- 21928469
+mouse rage
+--- 21928472
+>texting with the oneitis
+>i just help her with homework, that's all our message history
+>she no longer sends me heart emojis along with her 'thankssssss' message
+It's fucking over. It's so fucking over.
+--- 21928478
+>>21928467
+I mean I can look on the bright side and know that I have two parents that are still married after 40 years.
+--- 21928483
+I think I'm going to have a night in with Dirk Bogarde
+www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd3vsmWhYWI [Embed]
+--- 21928486
+>>21928472
+just ask her to do it over a coffee
+--- 21928488
+>>21928432
+I’m also the oldest. Mom always worried about what the other siblings were doing but never really gave a fuck about what I was doing. When I was 20, I ended up in the hospital for 3 months and nobody even came to visit me. But when my younger brother was in the hospital for a week, everyone had to visit and dote on him. When I think back on how much I’ve failed but also how much I never really had any structure or anyone to turn to for advice or just give a shit what was going on in my life, I get kind of depressed. It’s a curse of being the oldest male I think. Nobody really cares what you do or how you’re doing or what you want.
+--- 21928491
+>>21927020 (OP)
+KITTY NO!
+--- 21928493
+>>21928478
+My parents divorced when I was 14 and I didn’t see my dad for 10 years.
+--- 21928507
+>>21928491
+>kitty next day
+--- 21928532
+>>21928472
+I know how you feel. You think that she is the only one that you will ever crave that way. It's perfectly normal to feel that way, but you have to remember two things:
+
+1] such feelings are the result of a complex web of thoughts, emotions and chemicals. Right now, that mix is telling you that she is the one for you, but do not forget that there are a lot of things you do to alter that mix so you can open yourself up to others.
+2] there are literally millions of girls out there that are just as good, if not better matches for you
+3] if you haven't done it yet, just tell her how you feel. Don't live a life filled with regrets. Feeling embarrassed, awkward, or cringy hurts much less than regretting the fact you never made a move.
+--- 21928536
+>>21928507
+>when your so weak willed you just feed your cat every time it complains
+I just can't understand why some people don't think that overfeeding their animal is a problem.
+--- 21928546
+>>21928472
+meh, she obviously knew she was manipulating you, so you probably dodged a bullet. I had a girl send me a winking face emoji after she asked me if I wanted to study for a test together an all I sent back was "sure, but don't send me emojis they are gross" and she never bothered contacting me again about studying lmfao
+--- 21928621
+>>21928507
+God I wanted her to give that fat cat one of those meaty slaps people give sturdy dogs.
+--- 21928742
+I’ve been so depressed for so long. I just feel like things will never get better.
+--- 21928743
+>>21928324
+You save all evidence of the earliest date you put down the idea, so if someone tries to sue you for copyright or rip you off for copyright you have evidence of its independent and dated creation.
+--- 21928744
+>>21928742
+They won't if you don't take action.
+--- 21928769
+I wonder how much of adulthood is just about chasing the ghosts of one's adolescence and childhood.
+--- 21928773
+>>21928744
+To be honest, I don’t know what action looks like anymore. I feel like I missed my one and only shot.
+--- 21928787
+>>21928773
+notice how you said "feel" rather than saying "you know". If you truly feel that way, no loss in giving it 1 last final try.
+--- 21928796
+>>21928787
+That’s true. I’m worried I have nothing to fall back on but I guess that’s how things have to be.
+--- 21928819
+>>21928796
+Iunno man, a lot of people kinda fail once and think its the end of the world. Its better to be "delusional" (I"m using that word very lightly) and just keep on trying and hoping and you'll eventually make it. That is how literally everyone else in the world does it. Even if your right, you'll be much better off for trying than not doing anything in the long run.
+--- 21928821
+What’s the best American city to move to right now? I’ve been thinking about moving to Pittsburgh.
+--- 21928829
+>>21928821
+Seconding this question. Heard a lot about the rust belt coming back
+--- 21928830
+>>21928819
+I have a thing where I look at the all-time greats and I kick myself for not doing it like they did. That was never realistic because I’m a different person in a different time, but I hold that up as like a gold standard anyway.
+--- 21928835
+>>21928829
+I definitely do not think the rust belt is coming back. I think there are just some cities there which are halfway liveable and cheap unlike the coasts.
+--- 21928839
+>>21928830
+They probably weren't afraid to try new or impossible things
+--- 21928854
+>>21928830
+Eh, Julius Caesar cried at the statue of Alexander because he felt like he did nothing in his life and he went on to literally take part in not only one of the Greatest Historical Epics ever recorded, he changed the course of history. People with no connection to European Culture know and reference him.
+Buddha didn't start his spiritual journey till he was 30. David Goggins didn't join the army and became a bad ass till after 30.
+Your ability to improve and transform yourself is only limited by the imaginary cage you put yourself in.
+
+Want to know something cool? If you take a baby elephant and tie a rope to on a wooden post, it will try to tug on it to get out but eventually learn that it can't and stops. The elephant will grow up and you can still use the same rope and post, something that it can now tear out of the ground easily and fuck off, but because it learned as a baby that it can't get out it never tries again. Humans can be the same way sometimes. Your not truly helpless, you just learned that you were at some point of time and assumed, like the elephant, that it will never change. A prison of the mind.
+--- 21928870
+>>21928821
+Upstate South Carolina is growing. Cities like Greenville.
+--- 21928896
+>>21928854
+Julius Caesar is probably the most inspiring man in history, but he did serve in the army, crucify pirates, was a notorious playboy, and had quite an exciting life overall before he ever cried in front of Alexander. So while he wasn’t a conqueror or great man of history yet, he was still quite an interesting and successful person. He had a lot working for him. This is the sort of thing I beat myself up over the most.
+--- 21928905
+>>21928896
+When Nero was in power, he left Rome during a civil war to go tour Greece. Who was in charge of the whole Empire for pretty much his whole rule? A former slave... A lot of the time its just dumb luck, I wouldn't beat yourself up about it. I only ever wanted a quite life, myself. Nothing crazy, just the ability to work enough to retire early and live out my years doing what I like on a huge piece of land.
+--- 21928915
+>>21928905
+I don’t want to accept that my life is just a stroke of fortune…or misfortune. I find that too unbearable.
+--- 21928920
+>>21928896
+Adding onto that, at least you weren't Scipio Africanus who spent all his personal wealth to raise illegal legions to go sack Carthage and get Hannibal out of Italy. Not only did he win the war single handedly, he was basically seen as a Hero of the Republic. He went into politics afterwards expecting to become Consul only to be bullied and removed on dubious claims of bribery. That man did everything that Rome told its men to do to experience success and he was taken down by the jealous Patricians who envied him. He ended up retiring and living the rest of his life at his Villa in Tuscany pissed off that he did everything right and still got fucked. He even requested that he not be laid in state and be buried at his home town too.
+--- 21928925
+>>21928920
+I think Scipio Africanus would be disappointed at his mortal life and happy with his historical legacy.
+--- 21928929
+What restaurant should I go to for my birthday?
+--- 21928942
+>>21928915
+Well, you have to do something or at least try then, which was my original point.
+>>21928925
+Yeah, I think he would be happy of his family legacy as well. His son allied with the man that fucked his Father politically to attempt to save the republic. I think Cicero would be proud of his legacy too. He did all the right things morally, but they always went wrong because it wasn't always the most pragmatic thing to do. Also one of my favorite people in that whole Epic is Crassus. Crassus is literally the embodiment of a regular man in extraordinary events. He did a lot of good and a lot of bad but his service under Sulla and his murder spree of all of Sulla's enemies after he was assassinated is always a weirdly fun read for me. I don't know... Crassus isn't a remarkable person at all other than he was alive when this all happened.
+--- 21928946
+>>21928929
+>eat your mom out :^)
+Iunno anon, I don't know you. Happy Bday btw!
+--- 21928952
+I can't forgive myself for being ugly.
+--- 21928998
+>>21928942
+I don’t see Crassus as a regular man. Crassus was allegedly ruthless in acquiring wealth and brash iirc. Crassus also seems to me at least as remarkable as Pompey Magnus or Mark Antony. Only Marcus Aemilius Lepidus punches below his weight historically. 
+
+Anon, how can you read about these figures and not want to leave a legacy like they did?
+--- 21929011
+>>21928946
+I'm not going with my mom, but thank you.
+--- 21929019
+What do you think about joining the army in your 30s?
+--- 21929040
+>>21928744
+The circularity of depression makes this "take action" recommendation easier said than done. You are depressed because you can't take action or don't know what to do. Being depressed makes it harder to take action, which makes it less likely you will take the actions that will help unbury you from the depression. That makes you more depressed. It's a vicious circle.
+--- 21929042
+>>21929019
+You have until 35
+--- 21929050
+>>21929040
+It’s easier to say what you should have done than what you should do.
+--- 21929111
+>>21929019
+Someone I know joined at 28 and ended up a tranny, paid for by the VA. Thankfully detransitioned after several years of disillusionment.
+--- 21929131
+>>21929111
+I think the only reason you’d want to join if you didn’t at 18 or 22 or whenever you graduated is if things aren’t working out for you and you’re lost or you just found your life’s calling as a hitter. The latter is awfully rare.
+--- 21929146
+I moved back in with my mom a to save money a couple of years back. I just turned 30 and I regret this period so much. This is like stunted development.
+--- 21929163
+>>21929040
+In my experience the best solution to that problem was to just do anything. Never say no to opportunities or invitations, always be on the move, exploring new places and just generally getting out of the house. It helped me a lot to just always be going to new places. Even something as simple as stepping into a cafe you've never been in before can help break that cycle. 
+As things turned out, new opportunities opened for me and the mindset of always doing something has been extremely useful in helping me makw the most of the new opportunities. Just do something. Anything.
+--- 21929199
+not to sound racist, but I think life would be better without a certain group of humans who are harder to see in dark
+--- 21929215
+>>21929163
+Agree. It’s better to be dynamic. But what’s done is done. You can’t go back and be dynamic where you weren’t and money makes making moves cost prohibitive now. I would’ve left my job a long time ago if I could afford it but I couldn’t afford it. So I was stuck in a shitty job.
+--- 21929218
+>>21929163
+If you have that attitude as a young person you’re really lucky. My big regret is not having that when I was young and once you get older it feels like it’s just too late.
+--- 21929228
+>>21929218
+Not him, but it's never too late. You'd think it was too late if someone told you to start ten years ago.
+--- 21929260
+>>21929228
+It’s nice to tell ourselves that but we don’t actually know that. We can never know if it is or isn’t too late. We only have history to suggest one or the other.
+--- 21929267
+>>21929260
+Well if you never start it's always going to be too late for you. You miss 100% of the shots you never take.
+--- 21929272
+>>21927020 (OP)
+I once had a dream that before the universe existed there was just an infinite plane of ankle-deep mercury. Any way, god and the devil fucked in the primordial mercury.
+--- 21929273
+>>21929272
+Almost, but far too few people fucking for Mercury
+--- 21929275
+>>21927062
+It has to be with a woman you love.
+--- 21929280
+>>21929275
+Or at least interested in
+--- 21929281
+This is the only board I can go on anymore to not be a coomer. I realize now that something as innocent as a pretty girl's face or clothed legs can trigger me to jerk off, indirectly. It sucks, because in my mind I use this website to speak with likeminded people about shared interests but maybe the truth is that shared interest is cooming. I can't bring myself to give up 4chan entirely, but this will be the only board I use from now on, as it keeps coombaiting to a relative minimum.
+--- 21929288
+>>21929273
+what
+--- 21929290
+Why the fuck do so many whyt boys make youtube video essay channels, why is this shit such an often occurence among white people? Fuck, I even caught myself thinking about doing shit like these, but there are literally swarms of those out there
+--- 21929293
+I spent $700 on a fucking composting toilet.
+I think it could have been a bad idea.
+My home made one wasn't pretty or perfect but it was super cheap.
+Still it's uncomfortable and unsightly if I ever have visitors. 
+To think I still haven't grown above spending large quantities of money for the sake of what other people think and something as petty as comfort.
+It's still just a fancy box I shit in at the end of the day.
+--- 21929294
+Leftism is so schizophrenic
+--- 21929297
+>>21929040
+>The circularity of depression makes this "take action" recommendation easier said than done.
+I'm the original Anon who posted that in my mid-20s I was diagnosed with Chronic Reoccuring Depression or (PDD) Persistent Depression Disorder, classed as N5 (severe). I scored I think the second highest on the chart which put me into the "likely an heroing" category. They immediately medicated me and I went to therapy but eventually just stopped because at the time it was hard to get out of bed.
+I'm in my 30s now and since then, I'm no longer medicated and I'm no longer depressed. I get episodes but they are much more manageable now. If I can do it you can do it. I know its hard, I know its painful, but its something you must do.
+Remember Anon, It is always darkest before the dawn.
+--- 21929299
+>>21929218
+I only started when I was 23. I feel a lot of regret too but it was it is man
+--- 21929300
+I cringe when I think about my life
+--- 21929302
+>>21929294
+modern society is a prison.
+--- 21929305
+>>21929294
+I like this way more than I should....
+--- 21929308
+>>21929288
+Look closer next time, very few of them mind
+--- 21929311
+>>21929299
+Retard. 23 is young enough to just start basically anything. You’re a fucking kid.
+--- 21929314
+>>21929290
+1. There are tons of women and girls who do video essays too
+2. There are tons of people who aren't white who make video essays
+3. It's the modern format of the age for getting a essay a interested audience without dealing with bougie gatekeepers or a total lack of audience
+Realistically very few people read random essays from nobodies as a pastime.
+
+Also you sound really racist and sexiest. Just saying.
+--- 21929317
+>>21929311
+Its entirely valid for me to feel regret about being a friendless shut in from the ages of 13 to 23
+--- 21929325
+Nobody gets my jokes.
+--- 21929328
+>>21929325
+That our joke hah hah
+--- 21929336
+>>21929314
+>Also you sound really racist and sexiest. Just saying.
+you sound like an old hag
+--- 21929341
+>>21929325
+I dont tell jokes for the benefit of others. I tell them to amuse myself.
+--- 21929342
+>>21929314
+>3. It's the modern format of the age for getting a essay a interested audience without dealing with bougie gatekeepers or a total lack of audience
+Ignoring the weird communist part, I agree youtube is the oratory Gutenberg press. We are no longer constrained to the gatekeepers of TV and Radio, it has democratized entertainment and news media, not to mention that the internet has democratized information period. So it makes sense why everyone would jump on it.
+--- 21929374
+>>21929317
+It is, but you’re still very young. You have much youth ahead of you. It’s different when you’re 33. When you’re 33 you’re not old but you’re not young anymore. 23 is decidedly young.
+--- 21929380
+> move to place A for college
+> move to place B for work
+> move back to place A for work
+> move back to place B for remote work
+My whole life has been like this. I have no idea where to go now.
+--- 21929396
+>>21929374
+>It’s different when you’re 33. When you’re 33 you’re not old but you’re not young anymore. 23 is decidedly young.
+Rude, I have no idea how old you are but there are people in their 40s that turn their lives around, its never too late.
+--- 21929400
+Drinking a Mountain Dew right now.
+--- 21929409
+>>21929400
+Start writing love poems to mountain dew's corporate office for years, write thousands of poems then near the end of your life take them to see if you can get them published.
+--- 21929422
+>>21927020 (OP)
+I wanted people to forget about me and now that they did, I long for their touch,
+and their smiles and laughs. This is as pathetic as it could get. I can't even reach out. What relationship do I have left that wasn't blasted by my paranoia or tainted with my own hypocrisy?
+--- 21929447
+>>21929396
+That’s true, there are but that’s not what we’re talking about here. We’re talking about people who on paper are doing fine but at nonetheless dissatisfied and not people who need to turn their lives around.
+--- 21929451
+For the first time in 3 years, I'm talking to a nice girl who wants to go on a date. Then, out of nowhere, I got the opportunity to socialize with a group of people that includes a girl I've had a crush on but never really had the chance to talk to for 8 months. This second girl is objectively less attractive than the first one, and chubby to boot, but she's somehow more exciting to me.
+--- 21929480
+My friend recently got a radfem gf and I don't envy him. What a shrew. Very low self esteem, negative energy, calls women gender traitors for getting fillers.
+--- 21929494
+>>21929342
+What communist part?
+I said nothing related to communism.
+--- 21929498
+>>21929400
+I like mountain dew.
+It's a tasty soda.
+--- 21929500
+>>21929494
+>bougie
+>short for: Bourgeoisie
+I know in English its just used as a term for "rich" a lot of the time, but it has a very latent communist political undertone in Russian and French.
+--- 21929519
+>>21929500
+So you admit you know that the word I used has a different meaning than something related to communism. Knew full well what the word meant especially in context. Yet you took two extra leaps of logic to arrive at a conclusion that is very obviously not was meant at all.
+
+That is the most aggressively midwit thing I have seen all day.
+What the fuck is wrong with you?
+--- 21929531
+>>21929519
+>Don't know you at all
+>Says "bougie"
+>Puts it next to gatekeeping
+>References Tv and Radio
+>Is shocked that someone may think that your a communist
+If what I wrote is the most "aggressively midwid thing" you've ever read, you might want to go back through and reread this post I'm replying to... Your asking questions about things that have already been obviously answered.
+--- 21929535
+I just found out my IQ is 124. The first test I ever took was at 6 years old measured at 113, and then when I was 8 it was measured at 124. What does this mean? Any chance it's increased since then (I'm 21 right now)
+--- 21929578
+>>21929535
+Iunno, remember that education can (and does) skew IQ. You can be born with 99 and if you actually get a decent education it will bump you to 100 or 101.
+--- 21929619
+Retard girl with a retard boyfriend was sharing her location when she was coming over my house. Now he showed up outside of my job today. If I knew I was going to have to deal with all this shit I really would have fucked her. Life would be so much easier if I was just a bad person for real.
+--- 21929644
+tomorrow, tomorrow and tomorrow creeps
+--- 21929653
+>>21929531
+Do you legitimately have a mental illness that explains your very particular form of stupidity?
+--- 21929663
+>>21929619
+Like actual retards, as in special needs people, or garden variety idiots.
+Because the first one is certainly a lot funnier to imagine. You caught up in a lover's drama but the other two involved are "special". Would pay money to see it.
+--- 21929685
+>>21929663
+She's not that stupid, just the kind of girl that got pushed around in her life by her parents and everyone else. Has no clue how to say no, no clue how to take care of herself. Like fuck I helped her make a skin care routine, I'm essentially her older brother, girl is 4 years younger than me. Her boyfriend is a retarded loser that's terrified enough at the thought of losing her or her becoming a real human being that he lost his shit enough to feel the need to come threaten me.
+--- 21929703
+I love wapan. The wapanese have great karrotoons.
+--- 21929803
+I just had an epiphany.
+--- 21929809
+I want to shoot myself, dude. I fucked up so badly. It’s unironically over.
+--- 21929813
+If my dog barks me awake before 06:00 again tomorrow I'm beting the shit out of him.
+--- 21929816
+>>21929809
+What happened?
+--- 21929834
+>>21929813
+I hope your dog beats the shit out of you, psycho.
+--- 21929840
+>>21929834
+You're a faggot.
+I am not going to accept having to wake up at 05:00 cause this dog decides to be a faggot.
+--- 21929884
+>>21929813
+Based. I fucking hate dogs, only the dog I owned was good and now he's gone. Never seen a good dog since, no one raises one that deserves life. Behead dogs. Drop kick dogs in the face. Slam dunk a dog baby into a trash can.
+--- 21929906
+>>21929884
+Neighbours also have these mutts who bark at night sometimes. And the owners just let it bark.
+Death penalty for both the dog and the owner.
+--- 21929913
+>>21929809
+What did you do?
+--- 21929956
+What do you think about starting graduate school in your 30s?
+--- 21929982
+>>21929272
+look into the alchemical symbolism of mercury, that dream is about as pregnant with meaning as dreams get
+--- 21929992
+My mum has this thing where if you have any kind of crisis or problem, she'll pick a fight about it and turn it around so it can be her getting mad at you for responding in a certain way, and then somehow it will end up with her hanging up on you and demanding apologies. It can be anything. You could tell the woman you're being held at gunpoint by cartel thugs and she would somehow turn it into how she didn't like your tone, or how you need to have a more positive attitude about it, and she doesn't like your tone when you responded "I don't think a positive attitude will help much in this situation." 
+
+My theory is that it's because she's scared of not being able to help, and this is unconsciously a way of making the situation more less confusing and frightening. If the conversation is no longer about how your wife was just diagnosed with a rare form of skin cancer that could actually be dangerous, but about how you said "mum can I just finish what I was saying" with some tone she doesn't like, then it's back to being a situation she recognizes and knows what to do in. 
+
+If this sounds familiar to anyone, look up parentalizing or parentification.
+--- 21929997
+How do you cope with being unintelligent? sometimes I manage to delude myself into thinking im smart but I always get a hard reality check when im in situations where im asked to show it. It takes me so long to write eloquently and my recall memory is complete shit. I think the worst feeling for me is knowing I will never create something of intellectual value. Whats the point of being alive if im just another retard.
+--- 21930007
+The smell of coffee gives me a headache, man.
+--- 21930018
+>>21929290
+spending far too long in the educational system and a lack of friends with whom you can share you thoughts regarding your common interests, and a desire for social respect and esteem for your decidedly nerdy hobbies. the only outlet is the absurdity of a 30 hour series of videos on dark souls in a pseudo-acsdemic format
+--- 21930033
+>>21930018
+Good post, I'd also throw on top of this that a lot of people passionate about their degree later end up doing things unrelated to it and want to find a way to keep their interest alive. Film students who are truly passionate about film but end up being desk jockeys, that kind of thing. I can see why they want a community. 
+
+In the 1880s they'd be writing journal articles. I wish we could go back to that.
+--- 21930041
+>>21927041
+10 years for that is pretty damn insane when murderers have walked for less. I'm no statist, but up to 2-3 months seems fair.
+--- 21930072
+My career is a damn disaster.
+--- 21930088
+>>21927847
+What about 23?
+--- 21930132
+Eros as self-negation:
+Heterosexual relations are fundamentally a form of narcissism, Ficino believes. In the
+event that the object who has been substituted for the subject prevents
+the latter from loving himself, takes away from him the pneumatic mirror without 
+which he is practically reduced to nonexistence, the beloved
+can be called the murderer of his lover. After knocking hopelessly at the
+door of the other's eyes, this Narcissus will die through lack of access to
+the glossy surface of a spirit on which (or on whom) he can be reflected.
+--- 21930133
+>>21930088
+What about it?
+--- 21930137
+I had the chance to do some copywriting when I was younger. It wasn’t as glamorous as journalism or working for a university so I turned it down but I think that would’ve been good for me. I think I would’ve been a lot better off now. I should have done it.
+--- 21930185
+>>21930133
+I don't know, what are you reading?
+--- 21930239
+I wish my boyfriend's ex girlfriend would eat cupcakes with glass in them.
+--- 21930300
+>>21930239
+Arent you bored of this by now
+--- 21930324
+>>21930300
+No
+--- 21930354
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QFc5gf6Jx4 [Embed]
+--- 21930376
+She tells me she only sleeps with guys after like 5 dates. When I know for sure she has slept with multiple guys without any dates. I’m just trying to be one of those guys. Why is she saying this to me? Why does she want to be in a relationship with me first? Is she just using me for something? I don’t have much money? I don’t understand?
+--- 21930393
+>>21930376
+perhaps she is changing her ways
+--- 21930400
+>>21930393
+>doubt.jpg
+--- 21930411
+>>21930376
+Bro... 
+
+ Have some dignity and tell this two dollar whore to hit the bricks
+--- 21930415
+>>21930411
+Yea I’m definitely not going to date her. But she also was in a serious relationship for over 2 years.
+--- 21930449
+>>21929653
+I'll take that as an admittance of defeat and you outed yourself, Commie... The only time I see people get this upset about this kind of thing is when I'm right. Take your faux intelligence to Starbucks, I'm sure they will greatly appreciate another "misunderstood and oppressed genius "
+--- 21930472
+I wish I didn't have to eat so often
+--- 21930537
+>>21930472
+Then don't? Most hunger people in the first world, hell probably most people in the world now Period. Is habitual hunger, not true hunger. Your body is use to you eating at a certain time, so it secretes insulin and Ghrelin early to anticipate the food. Which then drives you to eat, the way it works is genius.
+--- 21930551
+>>21930537
+I have to eat regularly because I have a disorder. It fucks up your ability to feel hunger too.
+--- 21930565
+>>21930551
+Oh, sorry to hear that bro.
+--- 21930579
+Tried to put it in while doing doggystyle and couldn’t. So fucking embarrassing. I’m not even that small. I’m 6 inches. I’m doing something wrong. Anyway, I’m going to kill myself.
+--- 21930605
+>>21927784
+>>21927727
+>>21927853
+>>21927917
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50FbeazFkgs [Embed]
+
+Peterson has said quite a few decent things about this subject. People misunderstand the Freudian Oedipal model, it isn't literal, and it is relevant. The reason so many manchildren exist today is because of single mothers arrested their development and making them psychologically beholden prisoners.
+
+Just remember bros, if you feel things are wrong, that's a good thing. It means there is still some hope for you, it means there is still time to find some redemption, it means it's time to start doing the right things instead of being a pussy; and you know that, that's why you're unhappy.
+
+Don't live in regret bros, even if it's only for a short while.
+--- 21930610
+>>21930565
+You're probably right about most people. I have to eat when I'm not hungry and I feel just as full before and after most of the time and it feels pointless sometimes.
+--- 21930611
+>>21930605
+I'm a manchild, but my mom was the opposite. She let me do whatever I wanted, and I'd wander the city alone as a child. I think for me it must be something else.
+--- 21930615
+>>21930611
+My mom was the same. She even support me going out yet I didnt do anything.
+--- 21930616
+Damn I wish I could commit suicide
+--- 21930618
+>>21930616
+Why?
+--- 21930619
+>>21930605
+man child behavior comes from the eternal youth being demonized because it isn't marketable, the suffering from being eternal youth comes from it clashing with expectations of reality, look at women and how happy they are acting like retarded toddlers, for men that is not allowed due to cultural and societal expectations, if at any point a man tries to enjoy the same freedoms women take for granted he gets chided for being lazy underachiever and he is expected to have a gf and a career he loves, everything short of the picket fence boomer dream is considered a failure or something that needs fixing
+you're a victim of a conditioned dream sold to a generation who were the guineapigs of the advent of television
+https://youtu.be/0f0gGDsX0PI [Embed]
+as for the suffocating single mother hens that won't let their kids fly or become independent they're just being retarded women, you need to understand that women will be like that 90% the time and that being alone in solitude is better than being governed by a woman
+>>21930616
+if you were there you wouldn't feel the need to announce it, find out what holds you back from doing it, if it's fear of death practice buddhism or some other religion until you're sufficiently not afraid of death anymore then your desire for death either fizzles out or you're ready to go through with it, either way you get finality
+--- 21930620
+>>21930615
+You didn't do anything? I had crazy adventures exploring the city and meeting people. My first kiss was some hot girl walking on the sidewalk, and she invited me to her house, but her brothers were there and they threatened me with a knife. There's a few times I had to run from crazy people and pedos trying to pick me up. I also broke into abandoned buildings and explored them.
+--- 21930626
+>>21929400
+Drinking Mountain Dew again lol.
+--- 21930628
+>>21930626
+we get it, you get two pennies a post to say mountain dew, next say you're drinking monster energy drink you fucking shill, just spam mountain dew 5 times in a row and fuck off so you can buy a bottled water you slave
+--- 21930629
+>>21930620
+Lame, I lived across a lake and spent my days fishing and for some reason eating a lot of dirt.
+--- 21930632
+>>21930628
+I can't drink Monster. Makes me withdrawl from my meds.
+--- 21930633
+>>21930632
+spam mountain dew a few times and fuck off
+--- 21930634
+>>21930633
+No because I only just started drinking this one. I promise I'll let you know when I drink another one if you're so insistent.
+--- 21930635
+>>21930629
+I lived on a farm after living in the city. Honestly, I prefer the farm life. There's even more you can get away with, like shooting guns and driving cars before license. I loved just playing with the animals, like letting the baby goats jump on you.
+--- 21930636
+>>21930634
+i'm calling you a paid shill you retard
+--- 21930639
+flirting with death by idolizing / fantasizing about suicide is just a fancy way of coping with the feeling of lacking options in life, people who are stuck on their spot in life tend to fantasize of suicide so they feel like if things get too bad they have a way out, when you look at north korea and how miserable conditions people will tolerate without committing suicide you should realize it's just a cope
+--- 21930641
+>>21930636
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw6zgHVE12U [Embed]
+--- 21930648
+>>21929982
+my dreams always are.
+--- 21930661
+>>21930620
+I dont really need you rubbing salt into my wounds.
+--- 21930662
+>>21930629
+Also, I don't want to sound like I'm bragging. Like I said, I'm a manchild, and a NEET who lives in mom's basement. I enjoyed my childhood very much, but my adulthood is mostly in the basement. I lost my childhood wanderlust.
+--- 21930665
+>>21930661
+I expected this response. See >>21930662
+--- 21930672
+>>21930639
+Plagiarizing Steppenwolf.
+17:45
+https://www.bitchute.com/video/6P6alnpoTUSB/
+--- 21930673
+>>21930619
+>look at women and how happy they are acting like retarded toddlers
+Neither toddlers nor women are all that happy.
+--- 21930674
+>>21930449
+Yeah I'm going to go with a diagnosis of mental retardation
+--- 21930676
+>>21930665
+Atleast you had childhood.
+--- 21930677
+>>21930673
+then you need to like, just do whatever you want queen, like who cares what others think they're just jealous
+and now the same in actual toddler
+toy, fun, food, yum, impulse, fulfill, want do? do
+--- 21930680
+>>21927041
+Based Caween
+>>21927784
+Anon if I were you I would just chill. 
+You should start working out and investing in /lit/ frens. Also you should straighten out the kinks with ur mom. To me she looks like she's a makeshift lonely stressed out old lady. Just show her that you care from time to time. 
+Also you couldn't blame yourself for leading a patrician's lifestyle. 
+Read as much as you can while you can. Most jobs out there are hypocritical and soul crushing, and you're just another fool down the line coveting them for what they are not.
+P.s. as a 34yo wageslave I can tell it only gets worse.
+--- 21930682
+>>21930677
+>neither of these humans having regular meltdowns
+I have strong reservations about encouraging anyone on this site to meet a toddler, but you could at least try meeting women.
+--- 21930684
+>>21930629
+>eating a lot of dirt.
+Anon, I ..
+Think you may have...
+Pica or possibly hookworms?
+https://www.healthline.com/health/pica
+
+https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/resources/web/roundworms_hookworms.html
+
+Have you ever read, "Let Us Now Praise Famous Men"?
+
+"And Their Children After Them" is also good. The perks described in those two books remind me of my mom's side of the family. Dirt poor in Alabama.
+--- 21930688
+>>21930682
+>regular meltdowns
+that's just part of being entitled and retarded, the price you have to pay for indulging in your impulses 24/7 and then wondering why things aren't always cotton candy and sunshine
+--- 21930691
+We need five maybe seven threads of Blood Meridian at any one time. Now look at the name field
+--- 21930694
+>>21930674
+cope
+--- 21930695
+>>21930694
+Diagnosis confirmed.
+--- 21930698
+>>21930639
+Why it is a bad thing? It's a stoic life hack that door is always open without this option I would've surely killed myself
+--- 21930699
+>>21930684
+I've had hookworms in the past, but this was pre-hookworm. I've also had another kind of worm that burrows into your foot and lays eggs in your colon cause I use to walk barefoot everywhere. I haven't ate dirt since I was a child though and I know I don't have worms cause I would be shitting them constantly
+--- 21930701
+>>21930695
+the cope continues.
+--- 21930702
+>>21930698
+i did not mean to imply good and evil on it, i was just stating that there is always an option and the fact that people are refusing to look at it seriously shows how far life affirming life worshipers are willing to go to lie to themselves that life is worth living
+it isn't but neither is it worth dying for
+--- 21930704
+>>21930684
+Forgot to answer the rest of your post
+>Have you ever read, "Let Us Now Praise Famous Men"?
+>"And Their Children After Them" is also good. The perks described in those two books remind me of my mom's side of the family. Dirt poor in Alabama.
+No I've never read those books, I'll put them on my list. Funny that you mention Alabama cause this was when I was growing up in North Carolina.
+--- 21930705
+>>21930619
+What's your general advise on coping with life you sound wise
+How old are you?
+--- 21930706
+>>21930701
+We get it already. You are retarded. No need to be so shameless about it.
+--- 21930709
+>>21930706
+This is just getting embarrassing for you now... Since you won't give yourself the mercy you deserve, I will and leave it with this post. Remember, Communism has failed!
+--- 21930710
+>>21930702
+Euthenasia is the only human right that truly matters
+--- 21930713
+>>21930710
+Do rights really matter if they can be suspended for little to no reason outside of "its inconvenient that you are around"?
+--- 21930717
+>>21930705
+>coping with life
+stoicism if you're not religious / spiritual
+zen buddhism if you want a flare of spiritual
+absurdism if you want to keep religion
+
+pretty much 
+S "life is shit but i am tough enough to take it"
+Z "ill just flow through life without overthinking it"
+A "life is fucking weird and i love it"
+>>21930710
+i am also a supporter of voluntary euthanasia
+--- 21930720
+>>21930713
+Don't know anything
+--- 21930722
+>>21930720
+I know everything
+--- 21930729
+>>21930722
+Lair
+--- 21930731
+>>21930729
+I'll prove it.
+Your currently breathing right now.
+See?
+--- 21930736
+>>21930717
+>absurdism if you want to keep religion
+Doesnt make sense. Camus said that religion is a philosophical cope.
+--- 21930737
+>>21930736
+Camus says a lot of things...
+--- 21930742
+>>21930736
+>life is bizarre and makes little sense
+>"well just embrace life as absurd and accept that you probably will never get it"
+fits like a glove with the fact that gods ways are unknowable and to try to understand the reasoning behind bizarre events is folly
+--- 21930748
+think of these for example
+>a devout priest dies of cancer in his 30's
+>a rapist murderer survives a miraculous car crash that kills 5 officers
+if you believe in god you would probably be wondering "wtf was god thinking, this is absurd this is ridiculous!"
+camus's world view of "life is absurd" with a tagged on "gods ways are mysterious yo" go hand in hand to explain that
+personally i know life is absurd but i don't think it is worth glorifying over that, i'm more of a zen "don't over think it" and stoic "fuck it i can take it" type of guy, only part of absurdism is to acknowledge that life rarely makes any sense when you get down to the nitty gritty of it or look at it from macro view
+--- 21930749
+>>21930731
+Holy...
+--- 21930750
+>>21930748
+Dont most of religious people think that God works in a mysterious way by default?
+--- 21930753
+>>21930750
+most of them have reached the same synthesis of absurd and "god has a plan don't question it"
+--- 21930755
+>>21930753
+>>21930750
+>>21930748
+You can always take the Stoic opinion and not bother about thinking about it. Attempting to "infer appearances of the moves of the Heavens" is a waste of time and energy you could spend on action.
+--- 21930763
+NEW THREAD >>21930760 →
+NEW THREAD >>21930760 →
+NEW THREAD >>21930760 →
+NEW THREAD >>21930760 →
+--- 21930780
+The war in the west rages on and on
+Ten thousand men for a step, ten million dollars per ton.
+A red sun rises and it shall not set
+So long as the war goes on in the west.
+Like ants they go marching!
+Look at the lines over the dunes!
+In the west, they say, is harbored the world-doom.
+Doves sing in the valleys of our snowcapped peaks
+Where fruit grows by the river and nuts fall by the creek
+In the west, says an old man, back from the front
+The war is fought against skeleton empires of dust
+He told us evil stories of men made of stone,
+Of the forced abdication of all worldly thrones
+He whispered of a moon that hangs shattered in the sky
+When we children looked up, the sight eluded mine eye
+The war in the west rages nearer by the day.
+Soon, our green valley will burn all the same
+Or so says a young man, with fire in his eyes -
+Who whispers of killing immortals with steel in their spines
+And told us of the sound of a giants death-cry
+or the faded bone-white against the gore of dead lives
+but when we listened for the footsteps of the giants, all we heard was our river.
+And yet the war in the west is paid in full;
+My own father deserted, long ago, in a lull
+He sits at the table with crystal-clear eyes
+He tells of the war and what it comprised
+"In a land where the sun does not rise nor set -
+there can be no war, no pain, no bloodlet
+And yet, my son, i saw the sages
+Of ancient days rise again
+I saw the dragon-mother of the stars consume the waters of men
+I felt the cold of deep-dwellers who crawled out from bitter seas
+I smelled the ammonia-burn of dying xenoenemies
+I tasted my own blood as a lance pierced my side-" 
+And then did my father lift his shirt, to our surprise,
+For there was no lance-scar on his leathered flesh yet
+And he smiled when he said,
+"It isnt real, my son,
+Until that red sun sets."
+The war in the west rages on and on
+Ten thousand men for a step, materiel by the ton
+Never again will I question the war in the west
+For I too have seen the bone-yards of the lands if the west
+Where the moon hangs crying
+And a red sun never rises
+And the red sun never sets

lit/21927303.txt

@@ -8,3 +8,52 @@ We need five maybe seven threads of Blood Meridian at any one time. Now look at
 >>21927303 (OP)
 >youtube-core trash
 Try harder. He’s well appreciated here in France that is for sure. More than Melville actually.
+--- 21927876
+>>21927303 (OP)
+I wanted to read it, but after watching wendigoon video about it, I decided it's not that interesting
+--- 21927880
+I enjoy Cormac but I don't believe he on par with Melville and Faulkner.
+--- 21927881
+>>21927876
+Based.
+--- 21927897
+>>21927880
+He is better than both. You are either gay or family drama enthusiast at heart.
+--- 21927902
+>>21927897
+>i'm not a family drama enthusiast, i'm a gay rape enthusiast
+simply epic my friend
+--- 21927906
+>>21927902
+>gay rape
+Fanfiction. Read the book before getting insecure about your favorite writers.
+--- 21927945
+>>21927303 (OP)
+Faulkner's as i lay dying might be the worst book ive ever read.
+
+But bruh you are supposed to read it 4 times to enjoy *looks at notes* a simple story about a stupid bitch dying!!!
+--- 21928809
+>>21927303 (OP)
+>big jewtuber makes video on meme meridian
+>Zoomers come to /lit/ to discuss a book they have no intention of reading
+Whats next Heart of Darkness?
+--- 21928816
+>>21927303 (OP)
+No, I consider Faulkner to be far inferior.
+--- 21929120
+>>21927876
+extremely based and honest
+--- 21929254
+>>21927906
+I mean Judge assaults multiple children and the The Mankid so he's not wrong really
+--- 21929398
+No. And Faulkner is shit as well. Melville is the greatest.
+--- 21929419
+>>21927370
+No one cares what you frogmunchers think any more
+--- 21929517
+>>21927303 (OP)
+I'm going to read it becauses of the movie trailer meme and I couldn't find any of the other books people reccomend to start with from McCarthy in stores.
+--- 21929530
+>>21927880
+He is definitely better than conrcobby Falukner, even if he never wrote BM lol. I wouldnt say he eclipsed Melville though.

lit/21927309.txt

@@ -6,3 +6,23 @@ How do you choose between reading a political poet like Ezra Pound & a poet
 Easy. Political poets are gay.
 --- 21927353
 Poe is "Poet" without (Chris)t read a poet that puts Christ first, such as T. S. Eliot, Tennyson, or Taliesin then you can read Poe and see he is the exact same kind of filth that turned Bill Nye trans.
+--- 21927582
+>>21927309 (OP)
+If Edgar Allen Poe was Indian, he's be Edgar Allen Poo.
+--- 21927833
+>>21927309 (OP)
+I like a nit of policy in poetry. BTW, I am right wing, so no liberal, neolib, gay stuff. I am a Serbian young conservative and we have beautyful poetry with political/patriotic elements.
+--- 21928128
+>>21927833
+Is Eminescu political?
+--- 21928936
+>>21928128
+havent checked him
+--- 21928977
+Poe. No question.
+>>21927353
+--- 21929100
+>>21928977
+Pretty standard american 19th century trash poetry and it's a setpiece or "ambiance" in story morella which is about using God to commit voodoo.
+--- 21929502
+>>21927353

lit/21927435.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,289 @@
+-----
+--- 21927435
+I did it.
+
+I wasn't made for the world. I tried it and did okay, but it was killing me. I'm abandoning a highly paid, well-esteemed corporate job to pursue the greatest love of my life through a literature MA. Even if that means toiling as an adjunct on low pay and short contracts for years. 
+
+My research topic is on Dostoevsky and Bernanos, two of my favourite authors. For a year straight I can just focus on reading and writing about them. I will do well. I will do a PhD. Nothing else matters. Even if I end up teaching in a school somewhere rather than a university.
+
+I no longer want to be wealthy or esteemed in the eyes of the world. I feel completely free. 8 years ago I was toiling in a factory with poor school grades and no degree. Now I'm attending one of the top comparative literature MAs in Europe. I owe so much of it to finding /lit/ in that darkness. You can be a force for good. I'm so happy. Thank you. Thank you.
+--- 21927443
+>>21927435 (OP)
+enjoy 0 pussy
+--- 21927447
+>>21927443
+I've seen what pussy does to a motherfucker.
+--- 21927453
+>>21927443
+>Pussy
+>Dick
+>Sex
+This is all your peanut sized indoctrinated brain can comprehend.
+--- 21927454
+>>21927447
+kek I’ve gone through some nasty pussy shit myself, just memeing you with a meme reply
+all the best in your new literary life OP
+--- 21927464
+>>21927435 (OP)
+Hope you do well OP and are happy. The board would be a better place if we could all be as passionate and inspired as you are.
+--- 21927491
+>>21927435 (OP)
+Godd luck! And out of curiosity, how old are you?
+--- 21927507
+All the best, Anon.
+--- 21927521
+You are so fucked KEK
+--- 21927631
+>>21927507
+I’m 27.
+
+>>21927521
+Am I really? I feel happier than I have done for years. The dream would be to get an academic position once I finish my PhD, but if not I’d happily work in a nice private school. They tend to pay better than some university positions anyway. After a few years at Deloitte I don’t care about money any more. It’s meaningless. I just want to spend my life reading, writing and talking about books. 
+
+I no longer care about having a mansion or a Ferrari and I’m embarrassed I got to a point where I wanted those things. Give me a cottage somewhere with a garden I can tend.
+--- 21927711
+>>21927631
+if you had a banking job you coudl juggle both and it'd be pretty /lit/ and cool.
+please tell me you've saved a fortune to live off of before quitting.
+--- 21927717
+>>21927631
+>I just want to spend my life reading, writing and talking about books.
+Books are better but spiritual goals trump intellectual
+--- 21927733
+>>21927711
+You can’t really juggle both. I can tell you that when I was poor and struggling I produced better work (had multiple stories published in print) and felt happier than in a meaningless job. Being a professor or a teacher is hardly being in poverty, though. Just less money for more meaning and satisfaction.
+--- 21927737
+Just write and be an author, retard.
+--- 21927738
+Good luck OP hope your department doesnt get DEI'd into oblivion
+--- 21927741
+>>21927631
+Alright. Relatable because I was an investment banker for a couple years before I realized I didn’t care about the money. You know what the mistake I made was? I loved reading and writing so I went and worked in higher education, started my graduate degree, and within a year I was jaded by that too. You know what I wish I had done? I wish I had taken my savings and cut my budget down as much as possible and spent a year, two, maybe three, doing nothing but writing. You said you’re 27 so this is a word of advice. You don’t want to be 30 abandoning another career because you settled for something you didn’t really want and having written and published nothing or very little.
+--- 21927771
+>>21927741
+Intellectual voids in people's lives look like spiritual and religious voids unfortunately. I don't think people realize how happy you can be with a job you moderately dislike but don't hate.
+--- 21927782
+>>21927741
+I appreciate your insight. Thankfully I’ve already had a few short stories published (even got paid!) and I’ve almost finished my first novel. Writing is certainly a passion but I love the abstract. I am poor at practical things and dislike them. To this day my favourite piece of literary criticism is Bradley’s Shakespearean Tragedy, because it is almost entirely abstract and focuses on character rather than historical/social/political etc contexts. 
+
+>>21927771
+>>21927717
+Thankfully I have a good relationship with God and have done for many years. For the last 6 years I’ve taught confirmation classes at my Church.
+--- 21927787
+>>21927631
+>I’m 27.
+>After a few years at Deloitte
+Anon I am 27 at a Big Four, I've longed to dedicate my life to literature. Do you have any advice? My undergraduate education is a bachelor of science. Keep fighting the good fight.
+--- 21927790
+>>21927787
+Write in your time off, save your money, quit, write full-time, publish immediately. Pretty simple.
+--- 21927794
+>>21927790
+I shouldn't try and pursue further education around literature. It was (mostly unrealistic) dream of mine to attend Trinity College in Dublin.
+--- 21927797
+>>21927794
+Just decide what you want to do and do it. Do you want to be an author or do you want to be an academic? If you want to be an author get to writing. If you want to be an academic then go to school. Just pick one and commit and put in the effort immediately. You’ll regret if you wake up at 30 without having done either.
+--- 21927802
+>>21927435 (OP)
+godspeed anon, I'm glad that you found your dream and that you're doing whatever you need to accomplish it. I wish you the best anon
+--- 21927831
+Who is the author of painting / name of painting?
+--- 21927856
+>>21927782
+>I’ve almost finished my first novel.
+Post it here when you're done. Please. We need good writers here, and you can do some shilling. Though I understand that you might not want to be directly connected to the site, at least throw some hints our way.
+--- 21927864
+>>21927787
+OP here. It's tricky because every situation is different - my undergrad degree was English Literature and I got a first (4.0GPA equivalent) so I could apply to most graduate literature programs. A path to teaching or academia is easier than if I had done an unrelated bachelor degree. I also had the benefit of tutoring students in English and religious studies while doing my degree, so I got a feeling for whether I enjoy it as a 'job'. 
+
+I sympathise with your stress - one thing I will say is this: I think we are very, very lucky to have something we genuinely love. At least in my case, I can read Shakespeare time and time again and be moved by him, feel passion, real passion, and emotion in my heart. It's a kind of joy - it's love, really. No different or less precious than love for a person. 
+
+Most people don't have that. I do, so I want to spend my life pursuing it. If you feel the same then I encourage you, and understand.
+--- 21927874
+>>21927797
+OP here, the person you're replying to wasn't me. I don't know how old or young you are but it is fairly unrealistic to assume you can retire based off the proceeds of even a commercially successful novel. Nobody really 'writes full time' - even someone like Sally Rooney, who has seen astounding financial success, worked until recently as the editor or a literary journal, while other 'famous' authors teach creative writing for a stable income. Most authors throughout history have had to work a main job for financial security, at least until much later in life.
+
+In my own case, I want to be a successful writer and I want to teach literature at the highest level. There is no reason why I can't do both. I am traditionally published and finishing my first novel draft, and I have a good degree and am starting my MA at a top 5 UK university. So I'm on track for both, really.
+--- 21927890
+>>21927435 (OP)
+
+>I no longer want to be wealthy or esteemed in the eyes of the world
+
+imagine ever wanting this.
+--- 21928023
+>>21927890
+You must not be American.
+--- 21928064
+Good luck brah I had a similar thing going on but for philosophy, did an Mphil at Cambridge but became kind of disenchanted with academia by the end. At the moment I am thinking of simply going into teaching high school English and being satisfied with that - and just pursue philosophy in my free time. We’ll see how things work out.
+--- 21928065
+>>21928023
+The sin of America is the same as Satan's: 'Non Serviam'. Rugged individualism is fundamentally incompatible with holiness. Obedience, humility, and radical passivity are the true paths to the Empyrean. One can choose the things of this world or the things of the next. To be a saint is to forget yourself completely in love for others. Shortly before dying in a concentration camp, a man wrote out a small prayer: 'Lord, may the fruits of my suffering go towards the salvation of those who kill me'. That is love - not AR-15s and diamond encrusted cars while good people struggle to get by. 
+
+Blame the French Revolution and subsequent """enlightenment""" of egalitarianism.
+--- 21928083
+>>21927453
+He is what they call coombrained
+--- 21928092
+>>21928065
+ 
+and someone in one of those camps also wrote: “If there is a God, He will have to beg for my forgiveness.” so there's that.
+
+stop enforcing religion every chance you get.
+
+>>21928023
+
+worse, i'm from the balkans.
+
+but the point i was trying to make is that you should set your own goals and boundaries in life which is kind of hard if your are consequently being brainwashed by your frustrated family and peers and materialist propaganda.
+
+just step back a bit from all that and ask yourself what do YOU want, because at the end of the day, that is where your happiness lies. 
+
+i am speaking from experience and i wish you all the luck in the world.
+--- 21928093
+Good luck bro. The >i am free part almost made my eyes well up. My life isn't bad but what a nice feeling that must be, i really hope you make it
+--- 21928124
+Good luck OP, I hope it doesn't turn out like this for you
+>>>/wsg/5055353
+>>>/wsg/5055355
+>>>/wsg/5055356
+--- 21928141
+>>21928065
+Christcuckery in full display here, but I won't derail.
+--- 21928562
+>>21928092
+>stop enforcing religion every chance you get.
+>enforcing is preaching
+Stop conceding its truth every chance you get.
+--- 21928565
+>>21928092
+>but the point i was trying to make is that you should set your own goals and boundaries in life
+What are your goals?
+--- 21928571
+>>21928141
+>Christcuckery in full display here, but I won't derail.
+Your post literally translates to:
+>Insult which means that I am in the know relating to current cultural critique and to genuflect to nothingness
+>nothingness on top of arbitrary glorified pepe me in word form
+>but I am so gabsmackingly intelligent that I won't derail
+It's amazing how unconcealable pride is and how unstoppable its symptom of idiocy truly is.
+--- 21928599
+>>21928565
+
+i have achieved all of my childhood goals and now i try to get by as chill as possible for as long as i can.
+--- 21928600
+>>21927874
+In my own case, I don’t really care about commercial success as an author. I think it would be great to be able to do that because the freedom is appealing, but I realize it’s scarcely achievable and maybe not even good for your writing. What I’ve done for the last few years is save money so that I can take a year or two off and do nothing but write, fully expecting I’ll have to return to a a job again eventually. My ambition is not to be a writer as a career. Still, I want to write some things and I want to at least one thing that’s fairly ambitious. What I struggle with is my age, my track record, my lack of success to this point. I wasn’t one of these lucky people that discovered their love for poetry at 16. I didn’t even read classic literature in my free time until I was 26 and wrote almost nothing until I was 30. Recently, I’ve started feeling like someone like that can write decent commercial literature, but they won’t ever write good classic literature. That’s why I recommend try to figure out what they want to do and give it a serious try before they’re 30. 
+
+Anyway, i don’t have much of a career or anything I can be proud of, inside literature or outside of it. Good for you though.
+--- 21928605
+>>21927890
+The modern world doesn’t really give you much else to do besides work and make money. Business is about money. Politics is about money. Education is about money. The whole of life is about money today.
+--- 21928607
+>>21927435 (OP)
+don't do it, once you turn your hobby into your job you will hate it. In my early 20s i loved to program and now i work as a software engineer and i hate it.
+--- 21928623
+>>21928605
+
+sure it is. but if you are lucky you might reach a level of monetary influx to cover all your needs and then all you gotta do is keep it that way. there is no reason to want more than you (and your family) needs.
+
+aspiring for luxury is usually a slippery slope.
+--- 21928630
+>>21927631
+>>21927787
+Accountingbros, I am going into a mid-tier firm in audit this summer and I am dreading it. I just want to find a good exit op so I can work <40 hours in an industry role making half-decent pay... I have no desire to be uber wealthy like the rest of my peers, I just want to have an average income and enough free time to read and relax with my family.
+--- 21928640
+>>21928630
+amass enough money to not have to worry.
+a good rule of thumb for investment is enough in that you can survive with .5% of it as profit.
+you could try to get into the housing lease stuff, but that's worse.
+in any case, get about high 2-3 million, and you can live off of dividends comfortably.
+--- 21928688
+> I wasn’t made for the world but I managed to get a job at the big 4 
+> I wasn’t made for the world but I’m going to pursue a graduate degree and the most conformist career there is 
+Stop talking like this.
+--- 21928695
+>>21928623
+I agree but a life working for the minimum isn’t exactly a worthwhile life I’ve had a normal job for years and I want to kms everyday.
+--- 21928734
+>>21928688
+Job at the big 4 isn't too difficult to get. Pursuing an academic career, especially if that means rejecting a greater material reward, is the opposite of conformist. Read Stoner by John Williams
+--- 21928749
+>>21928695
+
+i guess that varies from peson to person. my free time usually consists of reading, sometimes writing and playing video games. i occasionally go out but ever since i quit drinking alcohol socializing has become scarce.
+
+i guess i am an introvert and quite frugal and definetly low maintenace so it works out for me.
+
+im not saying it should be like this for everyone. we all have different needs.
+--- 21928753
+>>21928688
+
+maybe he wasnt made for this world and yet has enough intelligence to adapt to it and survive. i definetly understand why he isn't happy.
+--- 21928765
+OP is probably some left wing faggot anyway. Who cares if his life sucks
+--- 21928843
+>>21928765
+I care
+--- 21928857
+>>21928749
+We’re not talking about your free time though. My free time is more or less the same. It sounds like I write less than you do, but that’s all.
+--- 21928861
+>>21928734
+But you don’t get hired there if you’re some maladjust. You had to do well in college at the very least. 
+
+Stoner is fiction. I work in academia so I know what it’s like.
+--- 21928864
+>>21928753
+Possible, but it still seems a ridiculous thing to say. If you’re that flexibly competent how can you say you’re not made for the world. It’s absurd.
+--- 21928913
+>>21927831
+https://www.thomaseakins.org/The-Thinker-Portrait-Of-Louis-N.-Kenton.html
+
+The Thinker by Thomas Eakins.
+--- 21929114
+>>21928571
+you type like a literal schizo, also
+>love not AR-15s
+>if you kill your enemies they win
+--- 21929125
+>>21927435 (OP)
+Good luck, friend.
+
+This would be a better board if more anons had the stones to pursue the literary lifestyle.
+--- 21929490
+>>21927794
+
+It's a beautiful campus but the quality of teaching there is nothing special.
+--- 21929497
+>>21928124
+Who is that?
+--- 21929936
+>>21928765
+I care fag. To know that this board has done at least a little good in the midst of the turmoil of existence is a pleasant feeling.
+
+Then again, your a fucking troll fag piece of shit begging for attention and barely contributing anything, so what would you know?
+--- 21929938
+>>21929936
+you're.*
+--- 21929951
+>>21929125
+A lot of people just fail to pursue the literary lifestyle for a whole number of reasons.
+--- 21929970
+>>21927711
+>juggle both 
+
+Back when I was a clueless imbecile, that was my prerogative. During that time, an art professor told me an interesting proverb:
+>if you try to catch two rabbits at once, you won’t catch either of them
+
+As a scatterbrained ADHD fool, I can safely say that my professor was mostly correct. It ain’t easy to pursue more than one core skill/profession at once, and defiantly trying anyway usually will likely lead to learning nothing at all.
+--- 21930000
+>>21929970
+What are you doing now? Which one did you end up chasing?
+--- 21930277
+>>21930000
+I went to pharmacy school, dropped out due to my own lack of discipline, am now studying programming, and haven’t finished a drawing in almost 10 years. 
+
+I haven’t learned my lesson, anon.
+--- 21930304
+>>21927435 (OP)
+Wish you the best bro. Haters itt don't know for themselves how material desires and debased urges aren't worth it.

lit/21927497.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,42 @@
+-----
+--- 21927497
+Shill me fiction and poetry that deals with psychedelic drugs
+--- 21927523
+You rang?
+--- 21927966
+>>21927523
+I love this little nigga like you wouldn't believe
+--- 21928053
+T.S. Eliot's The Waste Land, supposedly
+--- 21929647
+>>21928053
+
+??? elaborate sir
+--- 21929717
+>>21929661
+
+kek
+
+I never see these so-called machine elves. last time, I floated down the shoulder of a Dr. Manhattan lookalike the size of a galaxy, the time before some weird little guys implored me to look at something that my eyes would just roll over because it was too strange. good times
+--- 21929849
+>>21927497 (OP)
+A Scanner Darkly
+the only good book Dick wrote.
+--- 21929871
+>>21927497 (OP)
+Alan Harrington's The White Rainbow
+--- 21929876
+>>21929849
+
+It's amazing how much better it is than everything else he wrote
+--- 21930431
+>>21927966
+why
+--- 21930446
+>>21929849
+>>21929876
+Retards kys
+Also, to answer OP's question: read Flow My Tears the Policeman Said, The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch, and UBIK.
+--- 21930594
+>>21927497 (OP)
+Rimbaud A Season in Hell

lit/21927509.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,106 @@
+-----
+--- 21927509
+or he just wanted a "healthy" moral system?
+--- 21927514
+>>21927509 (OP)
+He was a very sensitive, deeply moral person, who felt wronged by Christianity but was so affected by it that he had a huge overreaction to it.
+--- 21927557
+>>21927509 (OP)
+He wanted one defined by what everyone really thinks about human relations but is too chicken to admit
+--- 21927599
+>>21927509 (OP)
+The word "moral" has many different meanings and senses. He was amoral in the sense that he was indifferent to christian morality. He wanted a "healthy" moral system in the sense of actual physical and spiritual health promoting ideals and rules.
+--- 21927671
+>>21927509 (OP)
+> She told me herself that she had no morality – and I thought she had, like myself, a more severe morality than anybody.
+-From a draft of a letter to Paul Ree from Nietzsche
+--- 21927699
+>>21927509 (OP)
+>/lit/ nerds are discussing ethics again
+--- 21927718
+>>21927509 (OP)
+He was anti-hedonist so probably yes
+--- 21927756
+>>21927557
+Basically this. His ethics were based on instinct, but a lot of people are too retarded to understand and just call hin conpletely unethical.
+--- 21928786
+>>21927509 (OP)
+He was indoctrinated into christianity as a kid, loved god, and called little preacher by his matriarchal household. 
+He was intelligent, went to school, and studied the lives of heroic greeks. He started writing about how his fellow greek historians superimpose their german protestant ethics onto their study of greek culture because as an autist, he saw pornographic and violent greek writings for what they were. 
+He began to hate the hypocrisy of society, the church, and human behavior when held up against the ethical teachings of jesus. 
+He got cucked by his best friend Paul Ree when Ree married his dream girl. He read science, became a materialist, and came to the conclusion that only a superhuman race of beings will redeem the downfall of the west happening since bugman Socrates and in Germany since coomer Martin Luther. 
+He claimed the knowledge of science can be a source of aid to us in this goal and in the end will wipe away all of the christian morality leading to a decadent, feminized west and create new table of morals based on literal physiological health. For the individual, it is up to them in how they craft their morality, so long as it is in line with life-affirming, principles of health and will-to-power.
+He went crazy to uncertain causes, his brain rotted.
+He tried to save a horse and collapsed in the street.
+His sister fed and bathed him. 
+He died, became dionysus the crucified, and is a modern day prophet. 
+I'm not getting into will-to-power, but basically a biological idea (or metaphysical idea, according to Heidegger) and conception of life that rejects Schopenhauer and Darwin as survival being the underlying goal of existence. And yes, he misread Darwin. If he read more about sexual selection he may see the will-to-power operating in this, esp. the "Dionysian" aspect of sexual selection insofar as ornamental displays are emphasized for the purpose of a male getting pussy at the expense of attributes that help survival.
+--- 21928795
+>>21927509 (OP)
+His "system" is basically stirnerism taken to it's final conclusion. Total spook death. The only real thing which remains is biology.
+--- 21928803
+>>21927718
+In early antiquities there were sever schools of hedonism, but only two main trends survived. I like to imagine a kind of Nietzschean style of hedon existed. Exercise and adrenaline oriented pleasure is still pleasurable even if you ache afterwards.
+--- 21928960
+he rejects morality but not ethics
+--- 21929510
+>>21928786
+He mistook a moustache for a personality
+--- 21929646
+>>21927509 (OP)
+>kallos kagathos
+The octopus' brain is distributed to all 8 limbs, which if severed can operate completely independently for a time, even demonstrating purposeful movement and manipulation of objects. "Where the mind leads, the body will follow." Suppose we bridge that gap with "healthy" instinct through good breeding. It is unreasonable (even unethical) to expect the unwashed masses to exert anything approximating personal or political agency in the way qualified by all our recent experiments in Republican modes of government: they require ruling, and those pretending not to be themselves of the masses need to be returned to the fold as well. Kakistocracy and ochlocracy have had their time, and it must be brought to a close. The alternative is man never making the leap to space, and huddling around until the end of days or an asteroid strike.
+--- 21929782
+Spiritually amoral
+Literally moral
+
+Nothing of his morality is different on the moral level, only the goal changes. In other words, altruism should be used to build parthenons, fitness centers, and philosophy conventions instead of monotonous suburban neighborhoods for monotonous suburban neighborhood's sake
+--- 21929786
+>>21929782
+On the literal level*
+--- 21929858
+>>21928960
+If you mean ethics as in "be a good saint and don't rob/kill/rape others and exploit them you fucking narcissistic psychopath" then that to me is morality, not "morality" as in aesthetic commandments such as fasting, you must eat ze X, obeying ridiculous orders, and praising a centralized deity. I call such commandments "commandments"
+
+>>21929782
+>>21929786
+So this book is virtually useless for any actual moral advice then
+--- 21929864
+>>21928786
+>He went crazy to uncertain causes
+Wagner unintentionally btfo'd him so hard with Parsifal Neetzche realised it was all for nothing.
+--- 21929865
+>>21929858
+If you have the slightest thoughts about grasping a man's throat with a knife or using a rich girl as resources seek fucking HELP
+--- 21930669
+>>21928795
+>His "system" is basically stirnerism
+"“Ego,” sayest thou, and art proud of that word. But the greater thing—in which thou art unwilling to believe—is thy body with its big sagacity; it saith not “ego,” but doeth it.
+<...>
+Thy Self laugheth at thine ego, and its proud prancings. “What are these prancings and flights of thought unto me?” it saith to itself. “A by-way to my purpose. I am the leading-string of the ego, and the prompter of its notions.”"
+
+"Ah! I have known noble ones who lost their highest hope. And then they disparaged all high hopes.
+Then lived they shamelessly in temporary pleasures, and beyond the day had hardly an aim.
+“Spirit is also voluptuousness,”—said they. Then broke the wings of their spirit; and now it creepeth about, and defileth where it gnaweth.
+Once they thought of becoming heroes; but sensualists are they now. A trouble and a terror is the hero to them. But by my love and hope I conjure thee: cast not away the hero in thy soul! Maintain holy thy highest hope!—"
+
+"Ye constrain all things to flow towards you and into you, so that they shall flow back again out of your fountain as the gifts of your love.
+Verily, an appropriator of all values must such bestowing love become; but healthy and holy, call I this selfishness.—
+Another selfishness is there, an all-too-poor and hungry kind, which would always steal—the selfishness of the sick, the sickly selfishness."
+
+"Ye love your virtue as a mother loveth her child; but when did one hear of a mother wanting to be paid for her love?
+<...>
+And like the star that goeth out, so is every work of your virtue: ever is its light on its way and travelling— and when will it cease to be on its way?
+Thus is the light of your virtue still on its way, even when its work is done. Be it forgotten and dead, still its ray of light liveth and travelleth.
+<...>
+Ah! my friends! That your very Self be in your action, as the mother is in the child: let that be your formula of virtue!"
+
+"To stand with relaxed muscles and with unharnessed will: that is the hardest for all of you, ye sublime ones!
+When power becometh gracious and descendeth into the visible—I call such condescension, beauty.
+And from no one do I want beauty so much as from thee, thou powerful one: let thy goodness be thy last self-conquest.
+All evil do I accredit to thee: therefore do I desire of thee the good."
+
+"Unfruitful are ye: therefore do ye lack belief. But he who had to create, had always his presaging dreams and
+astral premonitions—and believed in believing!—"
+
+"This counsel, however, do I counsel to kings and churches, and to all that is weak with age or virtue—let yourselves be o’erthrown! That ye may again come to life, and that virtue—may come to you!—”"

lit/21927589.txt

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+-----
+--- 21927589
+We can’t possibly have this many retards browsing lit who are unable to deal with McCarthy.
+--- 21927701
+>>21927589 (OP)
+are we really going to have to go through this gayshit every time that spic makes a new video? Just because a retard likes a book doesnt mean its automatically bad.
+--- 21927747
+yeah, I saw BM going down the way of No Longer Human when there daily threads about it on /tv/. sad, because I genuinely enjoyed the novel.
+--- 21929062
+Browseposters who change the original layout style of the board are only slightly more cringeworthy than those who browse in "incognito" mode.
+--- 21929074
+>>21927701
+Wop, not spic
+--- 21929984
+>>21929062
+I like a dark screen due to migraines. I'm getting one right now. Due to you, retard. Thanks for that.
+--- 21930438
+>>21927589 (OP)
+We need five maybe seven threads of Blood Meridian at any one time. Now look at the name field.

lit/21927600.txt

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+-----
+--- 21927600
+how was it manage to be the king of literature? /lit/
+--- 21927617
+>>21927600 (OP)
+
+Along with Germany, they're the only people on Earth with any respect for the intellectual life
+--- 21927621
+>>21927600 (OP)
+Arab man completely btfo the French language
+--- 21927622
+I am learning French for historical fiction and poetry
+Is it just me or is this the main appeal of French literature
+--- 21927627
+The Academie Francaise was overall a good thing. It is lacking in other languages and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
+--- 21927632
+>>21927622
+French here, yes.
+--- 21927778
+>>21927622
+Poetry is the main appeal and everyone knew this until XXth century where people started thinking novels are as important.
+--- 21927783
+>>21927622
+>>21927778
+Nonfiction is the main draw, both for the language being great for it and a lot of even big names not being translated. 
+French verse is good for the extreme autism of classical rules.
+--- 21927816
+>>21927600 (OP)
+Why are they so shit at making video games?
+--- 21927825
+>>21927816
+Old ubisoft was great, turned into perhaps the worst publisher. Arkane was my favorite developers before getting americanized. 
+French programmers often go elsewhere (not related to vidya) because they are paid like pajeet drones here.
+--- 21928020
+>>21927783
+>French verse is good for the extreme autism of classical rules.
+i disagree, the existence of beat in english poetry makes it much more appealing to the technically rigorous
+--- 21928038
+>>21927778
+>>21927600 (OP)
+
+>en tout cas, il s'efforce de temoigner contre l'affirmation tant de fois repetee que le francais n'est pas poete, que la poesie serait le point faible de notre litterature. (...) Ceux qui rabaissent la qualite de notre poesie le font en general par comparaison avec les poesies anglaise et allemande 
+ 
+From Georges Pompidou's Anthologie de la poesie francaise
+
+how did we get from that to people today considering french poetry among the best?
+--- 21928159
+>>21928038
+French poetry is better for reading and virtually no one still recites poetry. 
+The only common enough exception are the psalms but for those Corneille and Claudel mog everything with their versions.
+--- 21928186
+>>21928159
+>French poetry is better for reading and virtually no one still recites poetry.
+how is this relevant to french poetry being considered subpar in the past (according to pompidou)?
+--- 21929716
+>>21928038
+J'entends l'opinion qui veut que le français soit trop monotone pour la poésie mais pourtant je ne vois pas que les anglais ou les allemands aient eu un seul poète aussi génial que Racine, que Lamartine, que Hugo ou que Rimbaud. Je trouve que Ronsard et du Bellay valent bien Shakespeare, et Chénier vaut bien Goethe.
+--- 21929774
+>>21928186
+Isn't it obvious? If the way we enjoy art is different today than it was 200 years ago, obviously the artworks which we can connect to are going to change as a consequence. And so French poetry which was considered prosaic and stiff, with new standards can blossom to be more appreciated today.
+--- 21929777
+>>21927600 (OP)
+>how was it manage to be the king of literature?
+I am not really smart but even I can tell there are a few things wrong with that sentence.
+It's destracting how little effort you put into what is basically a bait thread.
+--- 21929800
+>>21929716
+Je ne pense pas qu'aucun des romantiques français (a l'exception de Hugo) ne valent aucun des romantiques anglais. Je crois que la critique que Gide fait de leur trop forte fidelite au mythe de l'inspiration a nuit au mouvement, et que la grandeur de Coleridge, Wordsworth, Shelley est indéniable
+--- 21929828
+>>21927617
+Italy is above Germany when it comes to literature. Not counting philosophy.
+--- 21930009
+I haven't read any frogs except for half of count of monte cristo, and i guess ill probably read les miserables eventually 
+are there any good frog writers who arent libertines and other assorted hyper-degenerates? 
+is there a french answer to Tolstoy or dosotyevsky?
+--- 21930069
+>>21927600 (OP)
+frog hands typed this post…
+--- 21930077
+>>21927600 (OP)
+>how was it manage to be the king of literature? /lit/
+Checked, and it's because France was the very first Catholic kingdom in history. We are the chosen people of God.
+--- 21930654
+>>21930009
+proust literally solved literature
+--- 21930727
+>>21930654
+he also wrote about fag shit so im not really interested
+--- 21930786
+>>21927600 (OP)
+You posted the pre-2021 French flag, OP. Please use the new one or Macron will kill you in your sleep.

lit/21927613.txt

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+-----
+--- 21927613
+Phillip K. Dick is the greatest writer around.
+--- 21927638
+>>21927613 (OP)
+He's not around anymore.
+--- 21927786
+>>21927613 (OP)
+it is clearly Manly P. Hall
+--- 21927842
+He's got great ideas but his style gets old really fast if you read a lot of his stuff at once. A Scanner Darkly is his best by far.
+--- 21927875
+>BROOOOOOO WHAT IF REALITY, BUT TOO MUCH !?
+>this goes on for 40+ books
+>only about 6 of them are ok, and maybe a couple are genuinely good
+He's fine, but he's definitely not the greatest writer around
+--- 21928146
+stop with the chud pics
+--- 21928192
+I was actually visibly infuriated by the end of valis. I read a couple other books and thought they were astonishingly dogshit diarrhea, so i thought id give his most acclaimed book a try. But holy fuck. I don't care about Horse's Ass or whatever his name is and his smug schizoposting where he tries to convince you that no, he totally gets it, his theories are ridiculous and are obviously a mental illness... Until every paper-thin retard he wrote into the story comes to believe his every word and follow his boring, asinine psychotic episode wherever it leads him. The movie thing was so painfully hamfisted. Quickcuts?? In a MOVIE?? MY MIND IS FUCKING BLOWN! IM SEEING SPACE JESUS AHHHHH
+inb4
+>bro, like, u just didnt get it mayne...
+no, no, i assure you, his fifth-grade prose and religious theorizing was all very humdrum and simple to parse. It was just that it had no nuance, tried to impress us by beating us over the head with the fact that PKD had *actually read* some gnostic literature, and that he was so self-aware that he knew his ideas were insane, but not self-aware enough to know the next logical step is to NOT assume they are manifesting into reality before your very eyes.
+All in all a complete and utter waste of my time, this faggot shit talked superior writers like Stanislaw Lem and even wrote incoherent letters to the fucking FBI trying to get them on board with his theories about entire scifi associations just being three commies in a trenchcoat. I want my weekend spent reading your drivel back, PKD - at the very least i know i wont let his hungry ghost stalk me from the grave anymore.
+--- 21929724
+Hello, I'm Philip K. Dick. I'm right here!
+--- 21930031
+>>21928192
+Jeez. Seethe more, why don't you.
+Did you try reading "Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep", "The Three Stigmata Of Palmer Eldritch", or "Ubik"?
+Those were my favorite 3 novels.
+And before you bash on him anymore...remember, his kids are billionaires.
+Enjoy being a poorfag shut-in NEET.