Thu May 4 09:17:52 UTC 2023

lit/21936988.txt

@@ -769,3 +769,37 @@ Name 5 Greek texts or authors that you have read besides Xenophon and the Gospel
 Yes, and it is on steroids in Greek.
 --- 21984948
 It's so fucking over
+--- 21985271
+>>21984691
+so far aside from Xenophon I've read 3 books of Thucydides and 14 of the Iliad
+by "translation" of course I mean the grammar-translation method i.e read grammar + start writing down translations and grinding with such method, of course when reading especially Thucydides I will often need to stop and carefully read the sentence/paragraph multiple times taking the grammar explicitly into account, but it's still in my head
+--- 21985292
+>>21984948
+Based Irene. Romaboo chuds on life support.
+--- 21985411
+>>21984948
+how do you mutt's law in latin?
+--- 21985419
+>>21985411
+lex muttis
+--- 21986422
+>>21985411
+mos commixtorum
+--- 21987074
+>>21979677
+>I've been reading a biography of Leonardo Da Vinci and one thing that has been mentioned a few times is how much Leonardo struggled to learn Latin and how he never really truly became fluent in it. It mentioned how he would copy hundreds of words from Latin textbooks but never truly acquired the language and depended on Italian translations in many cases. LLPSI-bros... we have been vindicated. It is now a historical FACT that it is impossible to learn Latin without this holy book. Even a genius like Leonardo couldn't acquire the language without it. I'm not even entirely convinced that the Romans ever learned Latin properly since this divine work came about only in modern times. We've been through Hell and back LLPSI bros, but we won, we won.
+Grammar-translation cucks eternally BTFO
+Comprehensible Input bros, we just keep winning
+--- 21987332
+>>21979677
+I'm the anon who made this post and I just realized the OP pic of this thread is a painting by Leonardo da Vinci. I continued the book and the OP pic showed up.
+--- 21987522
+>>21984125
+Is the classical available anywhere?
+--- 21988086
+>>21987522
+Mega
+--- 21988682
+Quomodo sīs sī jentaculum nōn ederēs?
+--- 21988807
+Orbeg schizo keeps reposting the same bait in every thread and is now replying to his own posts back to back since nobody is biting. Imagine if he spent as much time studying as he does shitposting.

lit/21965261.txt

@@ -546,3 +546,529 @@ The print issues are literally the digital version printed out and bound. Stuff
 --- 21984955
 >>21984748
 Thanks anon
+--- 21984974
+>>21983893
+>never published anything that isn't total trash.
+ I think we both know this is untrue, OR you haven't actually read their catalogue. Tales of the Unreal has some gems in it.
+--- 21984983
+>>21984025
+HMMM I wonder who could be behind this post?
+--- 21984989
+>>21984025
+Who the fuck is Krake? Is that you? No one knows who the fuck you f celebs are so I assume you're shilling yourself which is even sadder than anything unreal has done. At least they were based doxxers
+--- 21984994
+>>21984025
+>ineptitude and indolence
+this can't be real haha
+--- 21985008
+>>21984306
+If you dont cut this out I will post your mongoloid ponytail greasy ass face on here and your podcast friends. Not unreal btw but doxxing you would be based for your horrendous prose and characters
+--- 21985096
+>>21984025
+kek
+--- 21986057
+>>21985008
+You think you know who I am? Do it, then. Post it. But wait, you won’t, because you’re an Unreal loser making empty threats that you can’t follow through on.
+--- 21986117
+>>21984025
+I can tell from the replies that this struck a nerve. Good shit Krake.
+
+>>21985008
+>not unreal btw
+Just a coincidence that Unreal happens to hate Krake and now this is happening.
+--- 21986142
+>>21986117
+unreal press here. Yeah that was me. We condone it and we actually are going to doxx everyone in this thread - beginning with you. 
+
+-Rhymeand Grind the appalachian cave troll
+--- 21986190
+>>21986142
+do it then
+--- 21986287
+>>21986190
+north charleston
+--- 21986309
+>>21986287
+wtf is this vague ass shit?
+--- 21986324
+>>21984381
+it won't, they don't talk about the drama from woolf or fitzgerald's failed lit mags either
+they usually get a sentence then move on to something important
+--- 21986368
+>>21986309
+2135317 North Charleston
+--- 21986378
+this entire thread needs to get nuked off the face of the planet
+--- 21986428
+>it's another 300 post &amp thread of Unreal doxing people they don't like
+Remove all selfpub from this site. It's becoming a bigger hassle than it's worth.
+--- 21986449
+>>21986428
+You're next fatboy. What's your address huh?
+--- 21986453
+>>21986428
+I submitted to them once. They literally require a dossier of personal details including real name and phone number, birth place etc. Knew right then I wouldn't be submitting a second time.
+--- 21986457
+>>21986368
+This is so fucking pathetic. No wonder no one submits to your garbage mag
+--- 21986510
+>>21986453
+Bullshit.
+--- 21986530
+>>21986368
+still vague as hell, Google turns up nothing
+--- 21986599
+>>21984444
+checked and respect. thanks anon. who edits the editor?
+--- 21986603
+>>21986599
+are you the editor? wtf is going on in this thread?
+--- 21986672
+Why is this retard still samefagging. Get a fucking grip dude, nobody cares.
+--- 21986709
+>>21986672
+what retard
+--- 21986786
+>>21986709
+This subhuman
+
+>>21986457
+>>21986453
+>>21986449
+>>21986368
+>>21986309
+>>21986287
+>>21986190
+>>21986142
+>>21986117
+>>21985008
+>>21984352
+--- 21986793
+>>21984444
+I also got it but unfortunately it's crunch time. I will try to get around to it.
+--- 21986875
+>>21986672
+When you turn yourself into a laughingstock you tend to attract trolls.
+--- 21986889
+why doesn't someone just make a group or website for lit authors without needing verification and we can all post there? the gatekeeping element of journal pub is really unnecessary and as you saw, only invites drama
+--- 21987159
+>>21986889
+Why don’t you do it?
+--- 21987421
+>>21983944
+Literally and exactly me too. go for it anon.
+--- 21987480
+>>21986889
+>become the replacement for Unreal while Unreal is actively doxing anyone who slights them
+Nope. Not touching that with a ten foot pole.
+--- 21987483
+>>21986875
+How did they turn themselves into a laughingstock? Stop slandering them with no evidence.
+--- 21987513
+>>21987480
+Right? When did /lit/ become ruled by TERRORISTS!?
+--- 21987587
+>>21987480
+>>21987159
+i'm searching for a replacement but it looks like royal road is the best alternative. if you want to be social then follow each author and send them a message on their profile
+--- 21987780
+>>21986603
+idk. yeah i'm him. somebody likes to smear shit around nowadays anywhere &amp or Unreal pop up. i wouldn't worry too much. >>21983944
+checked. I like prose, and i like microprose at that. but there are no rules. i'll print anything that moves.
+--- 21987795
+>>21987780
+is it some bitter anon who had his shitty schizostory rejected and now is trying to sabotage you guys and get revenge? 
+
+btw I sent in a sub for 016 but you never replied to my email
+--- 21987841
+>>21987795
+i don't really reply to emails until i go in to do all the work. i'll do that in roughly on month. blow it up tho, i don't want to be short of material
+--- 21987861
+>>21987841
+When is the greatest hits releasing? Before or after 016?
+--- 21987876
+Why is Unreal clinging to life to desperately? three quarters of the hosts are gone. There's no press left. There's no podcast left. There's certainly no one who wants to associate with it now. So why are you in here defending it to the death like this? Just let it go. It's pathetic.
+--- 21988147
+>>21987876
+they’re too retarded to know a lost cause when they see one
+--- 21988161
+>>21978916
+>>21979074
+>>21983528
+>>21983893
+>>21984025
+You're all fucking crazy if you think the establishment and the crabs here will allow anyone with a dissenting or non-mainstream views to puncture the cultural wall they have up.
+
+Nothing from "outside" of mainstream society is allowed to become art. We're all nobody hobby writers here because there is a very real divide in society from those who are uplifted and promoted by the channels that exist, and then those who are regulated to the outskirts of society, as you see here.
+
+Everyone should be supporting Unreal and &amp, as they are the only real people trying to fight for the counter-culture, but the counter-culture itself doesn't even exist yet. To be a counter-culture, we'd have to have some culture first, and, as you can see, nobody is allowed to develop into a movement or an icon. The most you're allowed to be on here is a meme like Gardner. (Don't get me wrong, Gardner is awesome.)
+
+Without already having an inroad into mainstream culture, you're already defeated as there is no counter-culture in 2023. The only real "counter-culture" that exists is homelessness and drug addiction. Those people share the same culture and struggles.
+
+The mainstream culture is just working your 9-5, paying the bills, and behaving and talking in a way that doesn't alienate you.
+
+The elite culture is everyone who is a part of the mainstream cathedral without having to work a job. The "real" artists who get published. The "real" artists on the radio, TV, film.
+
+If you're here, there is virtually zero chance any of us will ever grow beyond a handful of readers, especially given the complete crab-attacks on anyone and everything that even bothers to try on /lit/.
+--- 21988171
+>>21988161
+>Gardner is awesome
+
+This completely invalidates your opinion.
+--- 21988185
+I'M GONNA SNIB
+I'M GONNA SNAB
+I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE
+TO LAY CLAWS ON A CRAB
+--- 21988189
+>>21988147
+>>21987876
+Look at these fucking dipshits. Why do they even come to /lit/ if they hate the people who are trying to create some culture and relevance for /lit/?
+
+My point stands, if you are here, you're already regulated to the dustbin of history. Nobody here is going to be allowed to become a cultural force or even have a voice in the mainstream.
+
+None of the books you write that have any dissenting topics can gain traction. The people in charge of the social engineering and cultural stewardship are 100% dedicated to keeping the culture as brain-dead and status-quo as possible. None of the ideas you see anywhere on 4chan are going to bubble up into the mainstream outside of pepes, wojaks, and le whacky rocketman Elon tweets.
+
+Nobody is ever going to give a shit what any of us have to say because we are so far outside of mainstream culture that there are no roads back in. Sure, you can go on Royal Road or whatever sites and spend your time posting your shit for free, buying ads, trying to get yourself off the ground, but if your content itself doesn't appeal to the mainstream conformist culture, you might as well just accept that you'll never be a "real" writer in anyone's eyes. This is 2023 and the culture we all inhabit is locked down tight as fuck. There are very, very few ways any "artist" from a place like this can ever grow, made worse by the fact that this place is also full of crabs who want to see anything from /lit/ fail hard as fuck so they can gossip like losers about the failure instead of praising anyone's success, no matter how small that success may be.
+--- 21988207
+>>21988161
+>>21988189
+This schizo fit about counter culture is nice and all but could you please explain why we should all just ignore the fact that Unreal doxed two contributors to their magazine for making fun of them?
+Our culture is almost entirely based around anonymity. Taking that anonymity away from other users out of some petty butthurt is just about as far away from our culture as you can get.
+--- 21988208
+>>21988189
+>regulated to the dustbin of history
+I think you mean relegated.
+--- 21988219
+>>21988207
+Stop seething and get a life, Ari.
+--- 21988245
+>>21988219
+Doesn't answer my question.
+--- 21988263
+>>21988245
+Unreal Press did what we had to do. You got what you deserved. We could’ve done much worse. If you keep whining about how we doxed you then you won’t like what we’ll do next. Don’t test us. If you fuck around then you’ll find out.
+--- 21988269
+>>21988207
+What the fuck writer survives through anonymity?
+
+The whole point of writing is to get your name and writing out into the world. This whole "doxxing" shit is such a turd in the punchbowl and NOTHING from this site is going to ever rise out of the filth with the amount of crabs and haters here.
+
+This place is the complete underground of arts and culture, and the people here intentionally desire for anyone who writers from a counter-culture perspective to go nowhere.
+
+I haven't once heard or seen anything about a writer from here outside of /lit/, with maybe a tiny bit of Gardner getting through on /pol/ and even /b/, but never seen any of his stuff outside of 4chan or YouTube.
+
+Writing in 2023 is completely a controlled environment. If you write outside of the mainstream, you will simply never get any momentum to actually be seen and read by normies. The outside world, outside of /lit/, could not give one fuck if you're a writer, writing is pretty much the least respected medium of entertainment and artistry. If you are a painter, you can at least sell painting and get praised by normies for your "beautiful" drawing!
+
+If you write, try finding even 1 normie who will read your insane schizo shit for 3+ hours to finish your novel. You can't and you won't. Writing is a dead medium and it is much easier to do YouTube videos grifting or painting or hell, even getting a gig playing cover songs on a guitar at a pub night can gain you some cultural momentum. Writing? Not a chance. The medium itself requires massive social clout, big book, or some other pre-build marketing platform like 100k+ Twitter followers to be successful. Nobody goes out and looks for books by the outcasts of society, even if we had 10 legit geniuses writing the most amazing shit and absolutely based takes on what is happening in society in 2023, that shit will NEVER be read.
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iss7pgQbQmo [Embed]
+
+Think about it, something like this will get move views and make more money than every /lit/ writer combined. Writing as a medium is so bloody dead for anyone of a counter-culture perspective that to write is to be a sado-masochist at this point, a 13 year old girl with a pretty face and a BookTok following will sell more copies of her first novella than all of /lit/ combined, it is just how writing and publishing work in 2023.
+
+I could be wrong, I'd like nothing more than to see a son-of-a-bitch from /lit/ take off and publish book after book after book that sells a shit ton of copies. I just don't believe it is possible when the cultural viscosity is at a molasses-level of thickness. How is anyone going to penetrate into the social consciousness when the channels to reach people are all so completely and totally pozzed?
+--- 21988280
+>>21988245
+>>21988263
+Can't everyone just forgive and forget? Why can't we be on the same team here?
+
+Blows my mind that outcasts of society are legit taking joy from attacking fellow outcasts of society and making sure nothing of note ever rises from this cesspool.
+--- 21988284
+>>21988263
+>>21988269
+you guys are so fucking lame. stop masturbating about how no one appreciates your literary genius. nobody gives a fuck. you don't even write
+--- 21988286
+>>21988280
+He sabotaged our entire operation with his faggotry. He sowed conflict in our ranks and turned brother against brother. We will not forgive. We will not forget.
+--- 21988298
+>>21988284
+Fag, I finished City of Singles in 2013, The Shitkickers in 2021, and I'm almost done the 2nd edition of City of Singles.
+>you don't write
+I've been programming my adult site because writing makes fuck all money. I could write a 100k book in a month if I could sell it to survive, the way things are in writing and publishing, there is no way I can sell books. I have no following, no platform, not allowed on social media, and I don't know anyone who promotes books. Like you need to have these social connections because no matter how good you write, or how bad, nothing is going to sell if you're not allowed to be social online. If you have no following and no audience, how are you going to sell books, asshole?
+
+In modern society, if you dissent, you are just blocked from being a real person. You are relegated to places like 4Chan where your work will never been seen by normal people. The most success I had in book sales was standing outside of a liquor store in -15c weather and people bought a bunch of books over that weekend, I sold out of the copies I made.
+
+Even these long thoughtful posts of mine are never going to get read outside a handful of people. It doesn't matter how smart or how much I write, or what I even say, if you have no audience and no platform, you might as well just be sniffing your own farts because nobody you write, say, or do matters.
+--- 21988306
+>>21988269
+Oh, Unreal is the good guy then? They posted pictures of this guy's mom around 4chan and called up another guy's workplace. You wouldn't like it if people started posting pictures of your daughter's face around 4chan, would you Jason?
+We don't need to support every degenerate that comes in here with his hands open for some gimmedats. Unreal made nothing of worth and they attempted to fuck with people IRL because they got their feelings hurt. This isn't about propping up our counter culture anymore. It's about stopping people who are actively damaging it.
+--- 21988311
+>>21988298
+no one wants to read your writing because it’s shit, not because it’s countercultural. the cover of the shitkickers is the ugliest tackiest shit I’ve ever seen in my life. fuck off. your kids probably are ashamed to have you as their father.
+--- 21988312
+>It is STILL going on
+
+Bunch of losers itt
+--- 21988313
+>>21988286
+Yeah? Why?
+
+What a fucking waste of people's time to come here if /lit/ is the place where artists go to die. I wish Unreal and &amp the best of luck and I hope you guys find massive success. As long as /lit/ is the place where you guys promote and advertise to, I think you'll find that you'll attract psychopaths and crabs that will just try and sabotage you over and over and over again. I've been on here long enough to realize that the general attitude of people who come here are the type that would HATE to see you guys succeed.
+
+We all might as well just build porn sites, at least people are searching and looking for porn to buy, while how many people are searching for books by outcast schizos to read? Seriously?
+--- 21988319
+>>21988311
+"because it's shit"
+
+Nigger, you've never even attempted to read my shit you fucking faggot. If we were in person I would beat the fucking shit out of you for lying, bitch.
+--- 21988329
+>>21988306
+I never said Unreal is the good guy, why the fuck are any of us doxxing anyone on here?
+
+Like, wouldn't you think that in a place full of outcasts, that these outcasts would work together? Why does it have to be a backstabbing cesspool of negativity?
+
+Would be nice if all parties involved could forgive and forget. Definitely leaving a stain on the community and is yet another nail in the coffin. How is any counter-culture going to rise if the movement is sabotaged before it can even begin? Sad!
+--- 21988345
+>>21988319
+The only thing you’ll ever beat the shit out of is your STD-riddled micropenis.
+--- 21988353
+>tranny drama
+OK
+so what you guys submitting?
+--- 21988358
+>>21988329
+Jason, you'd be willing to forgive these guys murdering kittens if it got you an interview where you could pretend to be a bigshot for 45 minutes. Stop being so backhanded about this. 
+The fact is these guys are scum who are doing nothing for the average anon. They were bad enough when they were shilling their dogshit that they didn't even write. Now they're fucking with people's families.
+--- 21988360
+>>21988353
+a diary entry recounting one of the many times that I fucked your mom
+--- 21988361
+>>21988345
+Dude you never read my shit, you're a complete faggot. You have never finished writing your own book, you have never done shit with your life to even write about.
+
+You are why /lit/ is such a shithole.
+--- 21988364
+>>21988360
+cool I hope to read it in the mag
+--- 21988372
+>>21988361
+I can tell your writing is shit just based on the aura of arrogant pseudo-intellectual bullshittery that surrounds everything that you post.
+--- 21988376
+>>21965261 (OP)
+Absolutely kek that this high school discord /lit/ drama is continuing. Not a good look, anons
+--- 21988383
+>>21988358
+They already said they'd interview me, I haven't taken up on the offer because I'm neck-deep in coding and my mind is not on writing or self-expression at all at the moment.
+
+Funny, how can someone who doesn't even have 5 followers on social media even pretend to be a bigshot? Who the fuck would I pretend to be? I'm the biggest nobody on /lit/, I bet half the people here at least have a grandma who'd read their shit!
+
+I don't think they were doing nothing for the average anon, I think they wanted to interview people, add people to their story collections, and grow into something. What I'm scratching my head about is why every thread that attempts to gather writers, anons, and lurkers together is always a shit-flinging mess where nobody can get along?
+
+Just kind of pointless to even come to /lit/, I've been lurking for 3 years and it still isn't improving. You can give your shit away to anons on here and you'll just be told to kys while the 30th Blood Meridian post is at 300+ replies.
+--- 21988386
+>>21988372
+Sure dweeb, whatever you say, back to your $50 a month subscription to Tate's taint.
+--- 21988387
+>>21988383
+Don’t you dare ever compare yourself to McCarthy, you faggot shill.
+--- 21988392
+>>21988383
+>What I'm scratching my head about is why every thread that attempts to gather writers, anons, and lurkers together is always a shit-flinging mess where nobody can get along?
+They doxed a guy, posted pictures of his mom then called his workplace. Now you're sitting here confused why no one wants to work with them? Why are you such a retard?
+--- 21988393
+>>21988387
+I've lived an awesome life and my books are prophetic, you have lived a shit life and you don't even write.
+--- 21988395
+>>21988392
+Clearly both sides fucked up. What caused this shit to escalate to such faggotry?
+--- 21988399
+>>21988395
+>Clearly both sides fucked up.
+Yeah, clearly the Best-Of &amp guy shouldn't have made fun of them. Kind of evens out the whole life ruination thing.
+--- 21988420
+>>21988399
+Did anyone gain anything from this drama?
+
+Looks like every anon and non-anon writer on /lit/ have lost two potential platforms to work with. Pretty sad to witness.
+--- 21988433
+>>21988383
+Funny thing is the writers of /lit/ are a shell of what they used to be even 5-10 years ago
+--- 21988451
+>>21988399
+How did anyone ruin his life? The dude was never anonymous. No one shared anything about him that he hadn’t already made public.
+--- 21988470
+>>21988433
+Writing is very culturally irrelevant in 2023, when I released City of Singles in 2013, I threw a book launch party and had like 50+ guests, sold a few dozen books that night, and people genuinely were interested in the subject of "what's happening to dating" as Tinder had just launched when I published my book.
+
+Fast forward to 2021, talking to people about my book's take on crime and the future of social cohesion, it seems like people have already acknowledged that the good times are over with and the shitshow is just beginning. Their aren't the same depth and nuance to discussions that there was 10 years ago, it is like everyone has just collectively shrugged and accepted the way things are is the way things will be. If you discuss the nose-dive of the Canadian standard of living, for example, most people will just shrug, lift their beer at the pub, say "it is what it is" and have a sip.
+
+Feels like everyone has just accepted the powerlessness feeling and is on auto-pilot.
+>work job
+>stay out of trouble
+>consume
+>repeat
+Hard to blame people I suppose, I have seen the hardships someone faces if they don't conform, and it ain't pretty. If you conform, work a job, and don't cause trouble, you can have a mortgage, a family, and a decent life if you really work for it still. Just don't question it, and definitely take your COVID vaccine when you need to, because if you don't, society will ass fuck you!
+--- 21988493
+>>21988470
+If you write for an audience in mind you will never write anything good. Write from the heart and for yourself. Have a job and do writing on the side that way bad sales or rejection letters don’t hurt you. Keep those old manuscripts. If you ever do make a name for yourself, work that was rejected before might all of a sudden be desirable and sellable with a known name attached
+--- 21988537
+>>21988493
+I do write for myself and I have never submitted any of my writing to mainstream publishers. I already know that my writing is simply not allowed in the mainstream.
+
+You cannot question dating or the industries and culture around it. That is simply verboten and you're an incel if you do.
+>no reason to write a second edition to City of Singles as nobody will read it, but I'm doing it anyways
+Writing a book about vigilantism in Vancouver is also a huge no-no. Culturally, you are not allowed to suggest anything is awry in Canadian society, it is simply not allowed.
+>however, if you wrote a book about your struggles being trans or native or black in Canada...
+Seriously, if you're Canadian you'd know just how rigid our culture is here. There is NO breaking into the mainstream culture here without being a darling of those who are politically connected. The culture is extremely rigid and conformist now, and it happened all within the last 15 or so years.
+--- 21988545
+>>21988537
+Oh. So you’re one of those anons..,
+--- 21988549
+>>21988537
+>You cannot question dating or the industries and culture around it
+tell me how american psycho and fight club got published when they dealt with much more controversial subject matter
+the problem is that your writing just isn't very good, jason. you could get published if you actually tried but you don't
+--- 21988560
+>>21988545
+I remember back in 2012 when one of my ex girlfriends had texted me from a nearby restaurant. She said she was about to leave and wanted to meet up for a drink, so I got my things together and went and met her.
+
+She was already half drunk and was in a great mood. We had a few drinks and some appies, and she explained she had been on a date every night that month and had eaten the best meals she had in her life, because she was following a guide she read in some magazine about how to get free meals as a woman using online dating.
+
+Now she told me she had certain rules on how to stay safe and not break too many hearts, she'd stay until the end of the date, allow a kiss on the cheek, and would talk to the men after but would just say she didn't feel the chemistry.
+
+Then we went back to my place and banged.
+
+Over the next few months, I found out several women I knew were doing this, like the entire dating landscape had flipped so fast from the 00's where there was a balance of power, to the 2010's where women really started asserting themselves.
+
+Now in 2023, you have women who prefer "dating" 1000+ onlyfans subs than 1 actual dude. This isn't actually that abnormal, and young guys I worked with told me that they were sick of paying $50 a month for a Tinder subscription and talking to women just to become an insta subscriber to be upsold to an OF account just to talk to the woman they had been flirting with. Shit gone cray.
+--- 21988562
+>>21988549
+Anon, I...
+>American Psycho is a novel by Bret Easton Ellis, published in 1991
+>Fight Club is a 1996 novel by Chuck Palahniuk
+Even YouTube in the early 00's was non-stop redpill shit all over the front page with tons of people making videos about other videos, it was a super organic system... I can't believe you'd think the same opportunities exist for writers in 2023 as they did in the 90's...
+--- 21988570
+>>21988560
+Sir, this is a Wendy’s..
+--- 21988579
+>>21988562
+stop rewriting history to give yourself excuses. there was plenty of satanic panic and sanctimoniousness during the 90s. catholics wanted to ban harry potter for fucks sake. you're just a bad writer with a persecution complex.
+--- 21988580
+>>21988560
+Shut the fuck up. This thread is about &amp submissions. It’s not a venue for you to tell your irrelevance life story. No one gives a fuck about you.
+--- 21988589
+>>21988579
+Yes dipshit, and guess what? THEY WERE RIGHT.
+
+>>21988580
+Hey, I'm an &amp supporter. I'll shut up now, have a nice night!
+--- 21988596
+>>21988399
+>>21988420
+I'm sad we won't have a Best-Of &amp edition. I would read it.
+--- 21988602
+>>21988433
+>Funny thing is the writers of /lit/ are a shell of what they used to be even 5-10 years ago
+Were they better?
+--- 21988614
+>>21988596
+The best of editor fucked over Unreal and derailed everything with his personal bullshit, then slunk away with his tail between his legs after Unreal called him the fuck out. Someone who isn’t a little bitch should use the list the anons made last year and take over the project.
+--- 21988632
+>>21988614
+Sad.
+--- 21988635
+>>21988614
+>after Unreal called him the fuck out.
+And posted his moms face around 4chan.
+--- 21988636
+>>21988635
+What's the resolution to this drama? For the benefit of /lit/, Unreal, and &amp, the parties involved should apologize to each other and move on.
+--- 21988639
+>>21988632
+Yes. He is a sad, sad individual. 
+
+>>21988635
+None of us posted his mom’s face. You can’t provide any evidence of it because it never fucking happened.
+--- 21988640
+>>21988636
+What's even the point in that? Unreal is dead. The only people who are left are only around to fuck with this guy.
+--- 21988647
+>>21988640
+Unreal is dead because of him. Those who remain remain to make him pay.
+--- 21988658
+>>21988647
+make him pay? this is all of your faults because you had a single point of failure and didn't plan ahead. blame yourselves
+--- 21988665
+>>21988602
+Yes. There used to be more people with skin in the game like English majors. Granted, I mostly remember snippets but they were much better than anything I see here today. I always liked those threads where different writers were mimicked. The impressions were spot on often
+--- 21988687
+>>21988640
+>>21988647
+/lit/ benefits from people working together. I hope some of the good actors behind Unreal would revive the corpse and get back to work.
+
+If people from this place have a hope in hell of making an impact in our dying western culture, it is by working together. Maybe the lesson from Unreal to us all is that when you're doing something for a community, you have to keep in mind that in order for people to trust you, you always have to be the bigger man. Our entire culture revolves around watching your enemies get rekt, scoring big dunks on people on social media through burns and ratios, and scoring those "gotcha" moments to ass-blast your opponent. But on a place like this at the end of the internet, the only way a ragtag group of schizos will ever thrive is if organizations maintain their dignity when attacked. Clearly, Jason Bryan is NOT the choice to be a leader of an organization because he would sperg out the first chance he got, but that doesn't mean there isn't someone on /lit/ that can take over for Unreal and build back the trust.
+
+As soon as I have some money again, I'm going to buy some print copies of &amp and Tales of the Unreal and whatever other /lit/ books I can, like Chicken World. The /lit/ catalog always has the same useless fucking threads, but I have never seen a thread about a Nesmer Ogden chapter, or a Gardner quote someone liked, or a particular shit chapter of Unreal, or a particularly good one. Like why don't we know these anons and their work, why is /lit/ flooded by the same shit threads over and over and over instead?
+
+Anyways, hope a lot of people submit to &amp to support the people working to help other anons write and be read.
+--- 21988707
+>>21988687
+>but I have never seen a thread about a Nesmer Ogden chapter, or a Gardner quote someone liked, or a particular shit chapter of Unreal, or a particularly good one. Like why don't we know these anons and their work, why is /lit/ flooded by the same shit threads over and over and over instead?
+For one, his name is Ogden Nesmer, not Nesmer Ogden you disingenuous shit. 
+And two, /lit/ was not built for amateur authors looking for handouts. It was built to discuss real literature. Go petition the mods for a selfpub board or take it to /trash/.
+--- 21988714
+>>21988707
+My apologies for getting his name backwards.
+
+Ah, my mistake, I didn't know /lit/ was for discussion of serious literature and real authors.
+--- 21988721
+>>21988687
+I agree with most of what you say, but please no more Gardner threads. Whether it’s him spamming his books, or others spamming as an inside joke, it’s really lame. Spamming is the lowest form of trolling and it should be discouraged. For the writers here that are serious, why don’t you give out your books or writings for free? I don’t read much contemporary lit but I would give it a shot if it was given to me and I thought I could help someone with feedback. I’m wary on how well some anons would take criticism though. But would I buy a book advertised on 4chan? Fuck no. My time is valuable
+--- 21988722
+>>21988636
+Someone needs to release a statement with receipts and screenshots explaining who is at fault for this so that this stupid drama shit can be over.
+--- 21988729
+>>21988721
+I don't want to post my book link in &amp's thread, but I definitely would give you my book for free.
+
+>>21988722
+Yep, we should try and get along and cheer on the people who actually write. Who knows, maybe someone from here could break the curse and make it in the real world as a writer?
+--- 21988731
+>>21988722
+As a distant observer this whole thing has given me second hand embarrassment. At this point it shouldn’t be about who’s to blame. Bury the hatchet because everyone involved looks real bad. Put the egos and pettiness aside if you actually care for this rag mag
+--- 21988736
+>>21988731
+We will, as soon as Ari admits to his sabotage and begs for mercy.
+--- 21988749
+>>21988731
+But there's no one even left to care about the mag. Krake left as soon they started doxing people and Rhyme and L.A left because they saw /lit/ turning on them. The only guys left are one editor and Miles, a guy who wasn't even a real host. The only reason they even take part in these threads is to fuck with the people who they see as having killed their project.
+What does "burying the hatchet" even entail? the best-of guy who left 4chan apologizing to the people trying to ruin him? Would Unreal even agree to die silently then?
+--- 21988774
+>>21988749
+He didn’t leave 4chan. He’s still here trying to fuck with Unreal and ruin our rep.
+--- 21988776
+>>21988749
+Tbh I’m not very well informed of the whole story. I just saw the jail thread a couple weeks ago and I see the drama is still going on whenever I’ve come back to /lit/. I think whoever is serious should band together in a ragtag group and form a new magazine. Let us be reality here, these mags are anything but irreplaceable. Keep the bad apples out and form a new one. It sounds like multiple people are at fault to some extent and things have snowballed from there. Like nigga, this whole saga is embarrassing. Stop the snowballing. Anyone can choose to go in the right direction at any time
+--- 21988785
+>>21988774
+he’s still with &amp, last thread people said he was using the name jet now
+--- 21988801
+>>21988776
+I do agree that something should be formed from these ashes but I'm not so sure there's anyone good left at Unreal. If they had just come out and said "Hey guys, sorry about that whole doxing thing. We dealt with the bad apples and we're moving forward from here" then it might be a different story but everyone involved seems to see the best-of guy as some villain that needs to pay for his crimes. No one even knows what this guy did but whenever Unreal attempts to explain it all comes off as some unbelievable hyperbolic bitchfit to justify fucking with him more.
+At this point it all comes down to waiting for the remains of Unreal to just give up. They've made such a spectacle of this that they've invited third party trolls who see them as a laughing stock to poke at. I'd be amazed if the best-of guy is even here after how they fucked with him.
+--- 21988839
+>>21988801
+They’re pissed because he took over their discord for months talking about his faggy personal drama with some girl and then they found out he’d faked it all using alts
+--- 21988850
+>>21988839
+Sounds like some serious shit that deserves a blood feud
+--- 21988854
+>>21988839
+And what's the resolution to this? How many more times do you need to post his mom's face before you get it out of your system?
+--- 21988874
+>>21988854
+>>21988850
+>>21988839
+Someone should write an &amp special edition pop-up storybook that tells the full story.
+--- 21988895
+>>21988854
+No one ever posted his mom’s face. Stop lying.
+--- 21989065
+Bump
+--- 21989100
+>>21988721
+Tales of the Unreal has a free pdf on the unreal site and still no one has read it
+--- 21989107
+>>21988687
+just want you to know this was a good post anon

lit/21973242.txt

@@ -173,3 +173,77 @@ Just occult stuff in general. I probably should have given some pointers.
 Liber Null
 Liber Kaos
 Psychick Youth works
+--- 21985592
+>>21981730
+you have to read the whole thing on amphetamines
+--- 21985595
+Andrew Anglin
+--- 21985607
+>>21973651
+He's some meth addict expat payed by the CIA to put out bullshit, just like Reza Nergestani and all the cyber feminist bullshit that intellectual ineffectuals slurp up like coom.
+--- 21986780
+Geophilosophical Branding
+--- 21986800
+>>21977887
+nah serrano was literally just some guy with too much time and money to ever have to get out of his own head. A schizo has to terrorize other people to be noteworthy
+>>21978357
+>>21977146
+maybe
+--- 21986803
+>>21983640
+As much as I don’t want to give him credit, he’s the reason I started continuing the legacy of people like Otto Weininger. Feminists have dominated the humanities for almost fifty years, it’s time for the boys to return
+--- 21986831
+The guy who wrote an 800 page suicide note, concerned with the causes of modern nihilsism and anomie being the direct result of Norman influence on English common law, complete with full bibliography and table of contents
+--- 21986843
+>>21976128
+>Meltdown has a place for you as a schizophrenic HIV+ transsexual chinese-latino stim-addicted LA hooker with implanted mirrorshades and a bad attitude. Blitzed on a polydrug mix of K-nova, synthetic serotonin, and female orgasm analogs, you have just iced three Turing cops with a highly cinematic 9mm automatic.
+
+>The residue of animal twang in your nerves transmits imminent quake catastrophe. Zero is coming in, and you're on the run.
+
+>[[ ]] Metrophage tunes you into the end of the world. Call it Los Angeles. Government is rotted to its core with narco-capital and collapsing messily. Its recession leaves an urban warscape of communication arteries, fortifications, and free-fire zones, policed by a combination of high-intensity LAPD airmobile forces and borderline-Nazi private security organizations. Along the social fracture-lines multimedia gigabucks tangle sado-masochistically with tracts of dynamic underdevelopment where viral neoleprosy spreads amongst ambient tectonic-tension static. Drifts of densely-semiotized quasi-intelligent garbage twitch and stink in fucked-weather tropical heat.
+
+>Throughout the derelicted warrens at the heart of darkness feral youth cultures splice neo-rituals with innovated weapons, dangerous drugs, and scavenged infotech. As their skins migrate to machine interfacing they become mottled and reptilian. They kill each other for artificial body-parts, explore the outer reaches of meaningless sex, tinker with their DNA, and listen to LOUD electro-sonic mayhem untouched by human feeling.
+
+literally me
+--- 21986874
+Easily Otto Weininger. Too based for this world.
+--- 21987387
+Wilheln Reich was pretty schizo
+--- 21987392
+>>21973242 (OP)
+Socrates unironically- he affected all philosophy after him and he heard voices.
+--- 21987448
+>>21987392
+when you really think about everyone hears voices
+--- 21987809
+Read Visions of Excess
+--- 21987834
+>>21973289
+There are shortcuts. The reason people dont take them is because they are dangerous to your mind if you are not at a power level to handle a burst of raw unfiltered reality
+--- 21987857
+1) Varg Vikernes 
+2) Slavoj Zizek (95% of the time)
+3) Heraclitus
+4) Sigmund Freud 
+5) David Foster Wallace
+
+They wouldnt call themselves philosophers, but thats why they are the best philosophers
+--- 21987918
+Hitler
+--- 21988455
+>>21987918
+Wasn't there a time he was talking about esoteric fascism to Mussolini and Mussolini thought it was awkward
+--- 21988487
+Jeffery Epstein
+--- 21988506
+>>21988455
+Hitler wasn't into the whole esoteric stuff, that was Himmler. But Mussolini did think Hitler was a loon and didn't get a lot of Hitler's shit
+--- 21988513
+Sade
+--- 21988517
+>>21973242 (OP)
+Plato, KAnt, Jesus
+--- 21988621
+Jesus
+--- 21988848
+Artaud was diagnosed

lit/21973746.txt

@@ -296,3 +296,65 @@ Alright roll
 --- 21984718
 >>21974107
 Roll
+--- 21984960
+>>21974107
+roll
+--- 21985020
+>>21974107
+reiogf
+--- 21985041
+>>21983524
+You can get banned for mass-replying as well haha. That said, I always post on mobile data if I want to roll.
+--- 21985142
+>>21974107
+Roll
+--- 21985272
+>>21974107
+Not even looking beforehand
+--- 21985276
+>>21985272
+YOO i was gonna start with that for him.
+--- 21985305
+>>21974107
+roll
+--- 21986671
+>>21982996
+It's funny how /mu/'s top 100 is full of obscure shit but /lit/'s is pretty surface level.
+I mean, even Harry Potter is on there.
+--- 21986702
+>>21974107
+Roll
+--- 21986744
+>>21986671
+/mu/core chart was made by a couple of autists, /lit/ top 100 is voted over every year by the people and often gets raided by pol-tards, plebbitors and false flaggers
+--- 21987505
+>>21974107
+rollin
+--- 21987720
+>>21981625
+Incorrect, Lord Reith was a "Scotchman"
+--- 21987899
+>>21974107
+>I hope Nora will let off no end of her farts in my face so that I may know their smell also.
+--- 21987908
+>>21973746 (OP)
+https://www.sjc.edu/academic-programs/undergraduate/great-books-reading-list
+--- 21987969
+>>21973746 (OP)
+>classics written by old white men and a terf book that kills millions of trannies every year
+Is this really BBC's top 100? They're the most retardedly leftwing news source I can think of.
+--- 21988573
+>>21980971
+Imagine spending 80 years of your life reading that entire jumble of shit with a big thumbs up of approval from preddit. Fuck you
+--- 21988583
+>>21974107
+rollerin, I'm halfway through Ubik but no idea what to read next.
+--- 21988591
+>>21986744
+Post your axe wound tranny. Ywnbaw
+--- 21989033
+>>21974107
+Let's do this.
+--- 21989086
+>>21988591
+lol wtf

lit/21974748.txt

@@ -115,3 +115,35 @@ Been playing Pathologic 2 and i've been wondering how red pilled are Steppe peop
 This one is what you're referring to I think.
 
 https://youtu.be/lcLq_82LML0 [Embed]
+--- 21985115
+>>21981650
+You can get some audiobooks from AudiobookBay. In order for you not to have to register for an account, copy/paste the provided Info Hash into the other site I'll link so you can get a working magnet link for uTorrent or BitTorrent.
+
+https://audiobookbay.li/
+
+https://hardrisk.github.io/magnet/
+--- 21986409
+>>21982671
+>Is Colin Wilson's book on The Occult any good?
+It gives a decent overview on the history of Western Occultism
+--- 21987510
+>>21986409
+Here's a .pdf copy.
+https://annas-archive.org/md5/1a3fbb6cf60be8eb00f817d3a7619a97
+--- 21988210
+>>21974797
+He's a genius if you're interested in the intersection of /x/ and /sci/
+--- 21988215
+>>21982671
+Colin Wilson is amazing
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH9JlvbDS7E [Embed]
+--- 21988655
+>>21988215
+What else of theirs is good?
+--- 21988864
+>>21974748 (OP)
+>From an /x/ thread on Meditation:
+
+Buddhist Texts from the Pali Canon.
+
+https://www.accesstoinsight.org/

lit/21978055.txt

@@ -177,3 +177,245 @@ the irony and pride in this. kek.
 --- 21984204
 >>21983959
 r/atheism is down the hall and to the left
+--- 21985459
+>>21984177
+I'm not warping any of it...I'm telling it like it is.
+You have yet to point out how I have distorted any of this; all you do is hurl baseless accusations, i.e. bear false witness.
+Put up or shut up.
+>>21984204
+I'm not an atheist.
+I'm just not in the market for an invisible sky daddy.
+--- 21985489
+>>21984177
+Warp, huh? Here's another example, from Genesis 19:
+[30] And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.
+[31] And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
+[32] Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
+[33] And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
+[34] And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our Father.
+[35] And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
+[36] Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
+So...according to the Bible, daughters can choose to have sex with their fathers???
+No consequences are ever given for this act.
+One pair of descendants of this act, i.e. the Moabites, went on to spawn Ruth, who was an ancestor of Jesus.
+--- 21985492
+>>21980355
+>Absolve your sins by slaughtering innocent baby animals!
+You're explicitly disallowed from sacrificing baby animals. There's also nothing wrong with sacrifice. What most people today don't realize is after you sacrifice an animal, you eat it. It's ritualized butchering.
+--- 21985501
+>>21978055 (OP)
+OP my advice is to skip Leviticus/Numbers and then come back to them. And you can skim the parts where it's telling you where to put your hands when you're sacrificing what part of what animal for what sin. Don't skip them entirely since there's still narrative present, but go read one or two of the latter prophets then come back to it.
+--- 21985520
+>>21985492
+Yearlings are still pretty young, even for animals.
+And I sincerely doubt modern people think of the meat they eat as part of a sacrifice to God.
+--- 21985545
+In this thread alone, in 40 replies, we already have
+>gnostic
+>jew
+>nu-progressive
+>agressive atheist 
+>smug atheist
+>"scholarly" analysis of the decade (will change next decade) 
+Jesus Christ.
+--- 21985757
+>>21985520
+>And I sincerely doubt modern people think of the meat they eat as part of a sacrifice to God.
+Yeah it's not. It's not ritualized and it's not a sacrifice. Not sure what that has to do with any thing. We're talking about in leviticus, remember?
+--- 21985840
+>>21985459
+>I'm not an atheist.
+>sky daddy
+you are not fooling anyone atheistcuck
+--- 21985851
+>>21980355
+what is this dishonest pic filled with lies?
+why are you such a retarded nigger that not only you post easily disproven facts?
+--- 21985854
+>>21978055 (OP)
+If you want to read the Bible for context you have to reread it anyways. So read the New Testament first, it's shorter. You can get away with reading the Old Testament first, but the context you get from the New is very valuable to understand why it is so moving. And once you understand the OT, the need for the NT becomes even more apparent.
+--- 21985893
+>>21980355
+Bruh I didn't even notice the picture here. You know just about every item on that list is untrue re:horus, right?
+--- 21986395
+>>21982478
+>skips Daniel, Zechariah and Malachi
+>includes fucking Esther
+Lame
+--- 21986410
+>>21980355
+>Seriously, don't miss 'em. You'll make believers squirm uncomfortably when you tell them what their Bible actually says!
+--- 21986411
+>>21978055 (OP)
+Just read Genesis, Exodus, the Gospels, Revelations. 
+
+All the Good stuff is in there. Rest is trash.
+--- 21986657
+>>21982648
+>Most are either REALLY derivative repeats of Acts or the gospels
+Paul wrote before the gospels retard
+--- 21986833
+>>21986395
+>skips Daniel, Zechariah and Malachi
+The thing is that if you start including more prophet stories, there are a lot of good options. It therefore pulls too much time to do them if you're on the entertainment speedrun route, but the casual route would include them. You NEED Isaiah because he's laying out all the greatest hits Jesus-relevant prophecies, but after that, the rest are WAY less important, so you've got a lot of options for flavor-prophets. 
+
+Jonah is just the obvious pick for being the famous great-fish story. It's weird, it's fun, it's famous, and it's cool. He's pretty peak bible entertainment so if you're only picking one, he's gonna be it.
+
+>includes fucking Esther
+Hell yeah we're including Esther, that shit's a short story about a prostitute turned queen, that's some peak bible kino. You're lame if you'd leave her out.
+
+>>21986657
+>Paul wrote before the gospels retard
+TIL, but all the same criticism still applies - even if it's not derivative, the gospels are just doing everything Paul's trying to do but infinitely better, more succinctly, and without being about early church bullshit bickering. He got absolutely outplayed and does not belong on the speedrun route.
+--- 21986854
+>>21986833
+>You NEED Isaiah because he's laying out all the greatest hits Jesus-relevant prophecies, but after that, the rest are WAY less important
+Jesus calling himself the Son of Man literally comes from Daniel 7, and Revelation is basically an update of Daniel and Zechariah with the Romans instead of the Babylonians and Greeks as the bad guys. 
+>Hell yeah we're including Esther, that shit's a short story about a prostitute turned queen, that's some peak bible kino. You're lame if you'd leave her out.
+It's basically a story about how goyim are such gigglefuck coomers their kings will put hot Jewish pussy over their own counselors. Combine that with the fact that the hebrew version (which most bibles are translated from) is the only book of the bible where God isn't even mentioned (unless you do some hokey acronym stuff with hebrew letters that can just as easily be chocked up to coincidence) and I can understand why Luther wanted to leave it out.
+--- 21986861
+did you skip the description of Greek ships at the beginning of the Odyssey?
+
+philistine
+--- 21986864
+>>21978457
+>raising another ignorant christian who doesn't even know the first thing about the genealogy of christ and why it matters
+Regardless, why are we encouraging laziness? He says wants to read for context, and yet he's asking whether or not he can skip the book of law? He should be laughed at.
+--- 21986865
+>>21978055 (OP)
+>im just reading for context
+>can i skip most of the context?
+--- 21986883
+>>21980391
+it also includes instructions for abortion of bastards
+
+xtians really don't want you to read jt
+--- 21986896
+>Know thy enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles, you will never be defeated
+>Sun Tzu
+--- 21986898
+>>21986854
+>It's basically a story about how goyim are such gigglefuck coomers their kings will put hot Jewish pussy over their own counselors
+Sure, which is EXACTLY why if you're saying
+>Gimme the most entertaining routing to get through the bible's important bits
+>Cut mercilessly, but don't skip fun shit
+You CAN'T skip Esther.
+
+>Jesus calling himself the Son of Man literally comes from Daniel 7,
+>Revelation is basically an update of Daniel and Zechariah with the Romans instead of the Babylonians and Greeks as the bad guys
+Saying Revelations covers Daniel does NOT help his case for inclusion, because Revelation's mandatory reading. Again, we're cutting mercilessly, all the prophets said important stuff about jesus, but if you're picking
+>one "eat your oatmeal" important prophet and
+>one "ok here's a fun one" prophet
+It's Isaiah and Jonah every fucking time.
+--- 21986900
+>>21986896
+why this nigga got the beats pills
+--- 21986913
+>>21986900
+it's estradiol
+--- 21986919
+>>21986913
+estra die on my dick
+--- 21986930
+>>21986898
+fair enough point about Esther being entertaining i suppose, but again, OP asked for CONTEXT. It's not like demanding you read Numbers where none of it comes up again in the New Testament, going OT before NT and skipping Daniel is doable, but you're going to have to get around to reading it later if you want to understand half the references in Revelation or the Olivet Discourse. Again, doable, but it's missing the point that the Antichrist system is something that's existed throughout history in different manifestations rather than this one time thing in the end of the world. Not to mention that all of this Enoch and Elijah bs about the two wittnesses is because people don't read Zechariah and see that it's about the Preistly and Royal lineages becoming one entity in Christ and that it's the Church spoken of in Rev 11 instead of two literal guys
+--- 21986936
+>>21986896
+Trannies will literally throw around female hormones like candy while little old ladies going through menopause have to go through several hoops to even get any meds for it at all
+--- 21986947
+>>21980355
+>W-wait was it Isis or was it Hathor. Or was Hathor his wife?
+
+>Heckin wow! his birthday was december crazy how those egyptians had roman calendars 2000 years before they existed!
+
+>Where can I read about those wise men again?
+
+no one is squirming about this, it's all psyop bullshit
+--- 21986953
+>>21986936
+estrogen is one of the cheapest generics to make. any shortage is entirely artificial
+--- 21986958
+>>21986947
+Every single thing on the list is completely made up. Isis wasn't a virgin, horus had no disciples let alone 12, didn't die let along be crucified, there's no such thing as "el-azar-us", none of those titles were ever applied to him, etc etc. It's not even twisting the truth it's literally source: i made it the fuck up.
+--- 21986965
+>>21980355
+>>21980486
+the OT law has been fulfilled by christ, none of this is applicable to modern christianity. Also, that image has many different mistakes and lies lol
+--- 21986998
+>>21986965
+For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
+--- 21987134
+>>21978055 (OP)
+yes, it contain some very homophobic parts
+--- 21987890
+>>21985840
+It's possible to have an understanding of my spiritual nature without an invisible sky daddy, brainlet.
+The two aren't even related.
+Can you confront the fact that, based on the evidence of your own life, that your God is completely indifferent to our fate?
+Or are you in denial?
+>>21985851
+>>21985893
+I've read so-called refutations of the links between Jesus & Horus.
+They're little more than gaslighting, and come across as people whose entire world would fall apart if they confronted the evidence.
+Their arguments amount to little more than "my eyes are closed so I can't see the evidence and LA LA LA LA I'M NOT LISTENING". Pathetic.
+>>21986947
+If you weren't so ignorant, you'd know that the 3rd day after the winter solstice is the traditional "death of the Sun".
+That's how they got December 25th before the Roman calendar.
+Keep up the spin, though. Your torment is delicious.
+--- 21988173
+>>21978055 (OP)
+Everytime I read the Bible I always seem to get stuck in Leviticus 16
+
+I always try every few years and the various Bible's I have tried always seems to be bookmarked there before I switch to the new testement lol
+--- 21988188
+>>21987890
+So explain how horus was born of a virgin, or how he was crucified. Point to the the reference to "el-azar-us" in an egyptian text. I think you're just trolling though, on account of the image is -blatantly- made up on every point.
+--- 21988273
+>>21987890
+>If you weren't so ignorant, you'd know that the 3rd day after the winter solstice is the traditional "death of the Sun".
+that's not even the claim. the claim was that horus was born on dec. 25th. you're actually retarded.
+--- 21988296
+>>21988188
+Focus on Horus all you want; that's what is known as a "red herring".
+But your problem is much bigger.
+
+He was born to a virgin by immaculate conception through the intervention of a holy spirit. This fulfilled an ancient prophecy. When he was born the ruling tyrant wanted to kill him. His parents had to flee to safety. All male children under the age of 2 were slain by the ruler as he sought to kill the child. Angels and shepherds were at his birth and he was given gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. He was worshiped as the savior of men and led a moral and humble life. He was put to death on the cross between two thieves. He descended to hell and rose from the dead to ascend back to heaven.
+Sounds exactly like Jesus doesn't it? But it's not. That is how they described the Eastern savior god known as Virishna 1,200 years before Jesus is claimed to have been born. If you want a savior god who died so our sins could be forgiven, take your pick from the ancient world because there are a stream of them, all originating with the Aryan race that came out of the Near East and the Caucasus Mountains. Here are some of the 'Son Of God' heroes who play the the lead role in stories which mirror those attributed to Jesus and almost all were worshiped long before Jesus was even heard of.
+Khrishna of Hindostan; Buddha Sakia of India; Salivahana of Bermuda; Odin of Scandinavia; Crite of Chaldea; Zoroaster of Persia; Baal and Taut of Phoencia; Indra of Tibet; Bali of Afghanistan; Jao of Nepal; Wittoba of Bilingonese; Tammuz of Syria and Babylon; Attis of Phrygia; Xamolxis of Thrace; Alcides of Thebes; Divine Teacher of Plato; Adonis, son of virgin Io, of Greece; Mohammed or Mahomet, of Arabia; Quirinus of Rome; Mirthra or Mithras; Beddru of Japan and 14 others.
+All but a few of those 'sons of God' or 'prophets', and the religions founded in their names, come from the very lands occupied or influenced by peoples emerging from the Near East and the Caucasus. These are sons of God who died so our sins could be forgiven, born of a virgin mother, and their birthdays were on ...December 25th! Mithra was crucified, but raised from the dead on March 25th-Easter!
+--- 21988310
+>>21988273
+Wow. You're not even trying, are you?
+The winter solstice is on December 22.
+3 days after that is the traditional "death of the sun".
+So the date that we now know as December 25 has had religious significance for a very long time...long before it was claimed as the birthday of Jesus.
+I don't know how to explain it any more simply.
+--- 21988382
+>>21988296
+There is no ancient figure or god called virshna. Every reference to "virshna" is in reference to "him" supposedly being an origin for jesus.
+
+>He was born to a virgin by immaculate conception
+No one was born to a virgin by immaculate conception. The immaculate conception is the means by which Mary's was born without a sin nature.
+
+>Mithra was crucified, but raised from the dead on March 25th-Easter!
+We have no written records for what the cult of mithras believed about him. Zero.
+
+>>21988310
+The image claimed was that horus was born on december 25th. 
+
+I'm aware you're either a schizo or a troll since you've said that everyone from Baal to Plato "died for our sins", was a virgin birth, and were born on dec 25. I hope other people reading find the little factoids it brings out interesting though.
+--- 21988389
+>>21985854
+>And once you understand the OT, the need for the NT becomes even more apparent.
+But Jews don't need it? Something don't add up
+--- 21988445
+>>21982609
+I wouldn't include Paul in a Bible readthrough that's solely about understanding "the story"
+
+OP is probably reading a KJV so he's already skipping some of the best parts whether he knows it or not
+--- 21989112
+>>21978055 (OP)
+Was refusing to get vaxxed going against proverbs 3:7?
+"be not wise in your own eyes"
+
+Or was it those who got the vax that broke that verse because they thought themselves so sure of the vax?

lit/21978493.txt

@@ -189,3 +189,103 @@ He was just hungry for pussy LOL
 --- 21984196
 >>21982752
 The psychologist who received his book said that Mrs. Richard F Schiller died in childbirth. Unless Humbert managed a detour to Alaska while in prison, no.
+--- 21985426
+>>21981533
+>1)why does Dolores's mother have to go?
+Humbert did not kill her. She was hit by a car while running on the road incoherently, having realised Humbert's true feelings towards Dolores. Read the fucking novel before whining about it, cretin.
+--- 21985452
+>>21978616
+he's an unreliable narrator writing to his jury, retard
+--- 21986112
+>>21985426
+You seriously think an admitted murderer who the reader knows is lying constantly should be taken at his word when he says "I was in an argument with this woman I tricked into marriage, she started bitching because she found my wank diary about her daughter, and then I conveniently stepped away into another room while she ran out the door to mail a letter to warn her daughter, and then she randomly got run down in the street! I was just so preoccupied trying to make us drinks that I didn't notice her open the door in a storm."? Are you already in a cult and three pyramid schemes, or is there a wonderful business opportunity here just waiting to be exploited?
+--- 21986330
+>>21986112
+Part of the point of Charlotte's death is that a bad miracle saved Humbert and doomed Dolores. There are witnesses, and the actual driver of the accident car in shock on the scene, named and all. Sorry, but unreliable narrator doesn't mean "Everything is a lie".
+Lolita is the perfect book to show people how much they don't know what unreliable narrator means. I've seen people unironically saying Quilty is just Humbert's invention, when he existed with Dolores, and at the end (start) of the book Humbert was being tried for the murder of Quilty.
+--- 21986413
+>>21986112
+>dude the narrator is biased so you can dismiss anything he says
+I hate this shit. You might as well disregard the whole book because muh unreliable narrator. Maybe Humbert's childhood love was fake too, or Quilty, or Lo herself. Wheres the value in any of it? Humbert is a liar because I say so, so of course hes just a crazy guy writing things down that never happened from the confines of a padded cell. Isn't that so INTERESTING and DEEP? How STUPID of you, for not realizing this. You must be naive and in a cult and retarded and in a pyramid scheme and fucking braindead for not realizing that Lolita isn't actually real.
+--- 21986420
+He was a good man in a bad world
+--- 21986431
+>>21978574
+>Dolores initiated it.
+So what? He's an adult, and moreover a MAN. He should have shut her down immediately.
+--- 21986813
+>>21986330
+I'm reading the section right now. Who are the witnesses? The scene is written in a mode that's very phantasmagoric, it doesn't clearly state the events, it doesn't assign blame to anybody for her death. That's suspicious, when Humbert spends the entire book putting blame on other people for things that run the gamut of his culpability. If Leslie Tomson really called Humbert to tell him, why didn't he just walk to the house, instead of walking back inside his and calling?
+In the spirit of discussion though, I'll admit I misremembered the crash scene. I thought only the nurse was there when Humbert arrived, and that the police showed up later, for example. That does reduce my confidence in my earlier statement, but I still feel it's somewhat ambiguous.
+>>21986413
+Humbert's child love was absolutely fake lmao, what are you, one of his psychologists? The rest of those "revelations" are stretches at best, but Annabel Lee and Charlotte's death are obvious facades. Let me guess, you think Dolores seduced him, too.
+--- 21986891
+>>21986413
+You have a tiny retard brain. Unreliable narrator stories are an invitation to engage in source criticism. Your small, idiot mind never matured past second grade if you think the only thing story telling offers is the literal "this happened, then this, then this" sequence of events, and that if you can't trust the literal telling of events then there's nothing else of value. You're a moron.
+--- 21986949
+>>21986891
+Unreliable narrators are an invitation to nothing. There is no value in dismissing chunks of a book as the narrator lying. Its either a flimsy attempt to insulate the reader or author from morally questionable events that take place in the story, or its a cheap way to hint at complexity when you have nothing of value to say.
+--- 21986962
+>>21986813
+>Let me guess, you think Dolores seduced him, too.
+Ignoring the rest of your retardation, yeah I think its easily possible for a child to come onto an adult. Obviously its wrong to take advantage of something like that happening, but 12 year olds being sexually curious is something that exists in real life. Not to mention how stupid it is to dismiss Humbert saying Lo was sexually active as unreliable narration, when he also openly says that she was distant and aloof from him afterwards and cried herself to sleep every night. Why would he lie about one, but not the other? Does his unreliable narration turn on and off at random?
+--- 21987027
+>>21986962
+I guess I'm not stupid enough to think that a 12 year old's burgeoning libido isn't the same as an adult isolating her and playing dumb. From the moment Humbert saw her, he sexualized her, fantasized, even molested her. Nobody would challenge the seduction if the context were completely different, but a man lied to her repeatedly, and she trusted him. Ignoring the age entirely, that's still not "her seducing" anyone, it's him setting a trap.
+>Does his unreliable narration turn on and off at random?
+No, I just know what "unreliable" means: inconsistently trustworthy. Which is it, I'm playing too fast and loose, or not enough?
+pedo scum
+--- 21987032
+>>21986813
+Text in pic to save space.
+There are: The owner and driver of the car, the father of the driver (presumably sat in shotgun, as he's moved out to the right side of the car), Miss Opposite's nurse who took care of the old man, neighbors, policemen, Leslie, the pink kid. None of them questioned Humbert. There are many parts where one could claim unreliable narrator, I don't think it's this one.
+If it were Humbert driving:
+Why would the old man be next to the car? Shouldn't he have picked a car without someone in it? Wouldn't the old man be a possible witness to his crime?
+Why would the policemen question Frederick instead of Humbert, who would have been even more suspicious being in/near the car, a car that doesn't belong to him?
+The nurse would have certainly seen Humbert, why didn't she testify against him?
+Why didn't Humbert retrieve the letters before the kid got it? He was right there.
+Humbert couldn't possibly removed himself from the scene and re-entered, there were too many people too close to the scene.
+All evidence points to a cruel twist of fate, not the machinations of Humbert.
+--- 21987041
+>>21987032
+Okay, yeah, I see it now. I still don't understand Leslie's call.
+I guess the best argument would be that Humbert saw that the old man was having a hear attack on the side of the road, and unset the parking brake or something. The nurse doesn't come out until Humbert is doing so, and Humbert is destroying the letters on the last line of that excerpt.
+Like I said, you've convinced me. I still have big questions that undermine it though.
+--- 21987073
+>>21987027
+>I guess I'm not stupid enough to think that a 12 year old's burgeoning libido isn't the same as an adult isolating her and playing dumb.
+She was already isolated. No father figure, a mom that alternates between negligence and overly controlling, thats a recipe for a child that seeks out sexual relationships with older men. Humbert took advantage of her, but her initiating sex the first time is completely believable.
+>inconsistently trustworthy
+More like conveniently trustworthy. When Humbert says that Doloras initiated sex the first time, hes a huge liar and its all made up. When Humbert describes her crying herself to sleep every night, suddenly he becomes a beacon of truth.
+>pedo scum
+Not an argument, and not true. Having sex with kids is bad, I don't like people that do it. I also don't like retards that think they're smart for beating the unreliable narrator drum.
+--- 21987178
+>>21987041
+The sloping lawn was described as being "climbed" by the car, and the old man was on the lawn. A driver must have been in the car to deliver both of them up the lawn. 
+A call could avoid potential problems, like trespassing or a jumpy man shooting you for startling him. Especially when there's already a huge legal problem manifesting on the lawn.
+The nurse is described elsewhere as coming to massage Miss Opposite, and Miss Opposite in turn is on the porch. Ergo, she should have been on the porch as well, and seen Humbert.
+Leslie was the gardener for Miss Opposite, and therefore should be on the lawn. Should have seen him as well.
+I really don't think you should cling to this event. It's Titanium-clad evidence. Humbert elsewhere might have been unreliable. Not here. When people talk about unreliable narrator, they meant Humbert probably pinned Dolores down and raped her until he fell asleep rather than either of them seducing the other. Not "Humbert actually killed Charlotte." That would be /pol/ level stupid conspiracy.
+--- 21987242
+>>21987073
+Initiating sex is not seduction, and he's the one that brought sex into the relationship in the first place.
+Humbert is constantly equivocating while pleading guilty. He is lying when he says "She seduced me!" but then explains that "they kissed," indication of instigator absent, and she whispers *something* into his ear, to which he lies and says he'd never heard of "the game," assumably sex. Then, he explains that he knowingly arranged so that
+>Pride alone prevented her from giving up;
+That is a clear demonstration of his understanding of her own level of sexual awareness, and his skill in deception is self-admitted. He admits to playing dumb, he admits to prior acts of child abuse, he admits to premeditation of trapping her into a coercive relationship. In contrast, he's already "established" that she makes disingenuous emotional displays for attention, and it's theoretically arguable that she cries herself to sleep because she's lonely, which Humbert takes responsibility for, and misses her mother. If you're ignoring all of that, it's no wonder someone would mistake you for a sympathizer.
+>>21987178
+The lawn can be sloped perpendicularly to a downward slope of the road.
+>I really don't think you should cling to this event.
+I'm not, like I said, I had misremembered details and you swayed me. But I know I came across many other people who interpreted it otherwise who had a strong understanding of the rest of the book, and came to that conclusion myself. As a result, I'm obviously going to be less confident in that conclusion than you.
+--- 21987376
+imagine her tiny lips
+--- 21988416
+Honestly don't know anything about this book. What's so divisive about it?
+--- 21988485
+>>21978493 (OP)
+Who tf was detective trapp? Also how were we supposed to know who the guy following them was? What clues were there? Humbert acts like it's so obvious but I don't see how.
+--- 21988616
+>>21988416
+It portrays the perspective of a pedophile manipulating a mother into gaining access to her daughter, framed as a plea to a jury for clemency, and the pedophile is very erudite and poetic. Many people feel it glamorizes pedophilia, but Nabokov clearly meant for it to be a sort of puzzle, as the narrator is clearly deranged and entirely narcissistic, so even when he isn't intentionally lying to the reader, he's also clearly not in touch with reality. We as the readers are tasked with deciding his culpability for the ensuing crimes, but the only facts we have come from this alcoholic diddling egomaniac.
+When it came out, the only publisher willing to press it was an erotica outfit, even though it was sold as literature and contains no erotic content, and was preemptively banned based on excerpts in a few countries, chiefly the UK iirc. Then, when it came out, a bunch of critics called it "the most convincing love story of the century" and other such...interpretations. Some of them were speaking loosely, some were clearly pedos, and others were just tricked by the narrator, so as the book became controversial, Nabokov went to great lengths to clarify that he had no interest in make pedophilia look good, and that he was somewhat surprised by the reception.
+Nowadays, it's fairly well-known in scholarly circles that Nabokov himself had been molested repeatedly as a child, and many young men and women see their experiences with abuse reflected in the novel, and appreciate it in that light. However, it's been common since the publication for child abusers to use the book and its film adaptations to try and normalize their abuse to their victims, as people under the age of 16 don't usually have enough experience in life to understand the perversity of the narrator's arguments. As a result, the book has become synecdoche for both "stories about girls seducing grown men" as well as "experimental fiction that is so subversive it comes across as evil".
+It's one of the most beautifully phrased novels in english literary history, it both viciously decries child abuse and recognizes that the perpetrators are more sick than evil, without minimizing the harm done to the victims, and is a rare case where, the more nuanced you read the book, the more disgust you feel. It's easy to just drift away on the dreamlike passages that Humbert uses to lull you into submission, but he's always saying something incredibly vile.

lit/21978895.txt

@@ -272,3 +272,30 @@ K how much u bench?
 --- 21984581
 >>21984566
 Unironically based image
+--- 21985996
+>>21979519
+--- 21986002
+>>21979290
+>math
+>not a creative field
+
+ohboy
+--- 21986048
+>>21978895 (OP)
+>Educated, well read
+Doubtful 
+
+>and overly paranoid of people/misanthropic
+Misanthropic, yes, overly paranoid? I'd say no, the real people with most here is that they believe they're a part of an anonymous collective that strives above petty normie morality and herd mentality, that they're a part of a collective riddled with great people that seek the highest peaks of their respective valleys, etc., but the sooner you realize you're better off interacting with the real, tactile world that you inhabit, the faster you'll realize how all you're doing here is wasting time wishing the former was the case, rather than the latter. Nothing useful, hopeful and worthwhile shall be born here, the source itself is poisoned and its users so intoxicated by it that they no longer realize the hazardous effects it has on them.
+--- 21986348
+>>21978895 (OP)
+>my penis is hard for a fucking roastie, I better buy another rosary and Chesterton book to drive the feelings away
+--- 21987645
+>>21978895 (OP)
+>sub
+--- 21987695
+>>21978895 (OP)
+Literally how do you even do that? "Experiences" just seem to happen to some people and not to others. Something like just being born into a boring family in a boring town can totally screw you over in terms of being interesting. No one ever discusses this as a thing, because it's a given that everyone just can be interesting, and has access to interesting things happening around them, when that's clearly not always true.
+--- 21987871
+>>21986002
+You know what I meant. I'm not a creative type as in I don't splash paint on canvas and pretend im avante garde

lit/21979185.txt

@@ -641,3 +641,175 @@ women have destroyed western civilization
 >>21979859
 >>21979929
 It’s all unironically part of an agenda to tie the peasantry to the land once again with the internet serving the same cultural locus for our ties of fealty as the church was in times past. Whether or not the agenda actually exists as a codified set of agreements and set tactics towards a communally set goal, the bourgeois Geist moves in a wave across them all simultaneously. That’s why the fed is printing money like it’s going out of style with no foreseeable end. The plan is to collapse the dollar. Do you really think they’re stupid enough to not realize that? Once the dollar is collapsed there are two options with a little room for a mix of the two. 1) the wealth of the new gentry will serve as their de-facto right to rule and a new monetary system will be established in which they will have direct participation on a political level as some of the foundational necessities are within their control: water supply, energy supply, transportation, etc. They won’t be foolish enough to attempt some grandiose gesture like getting rid of the constitution. Rather, they’ll use their newfound stranglehold on essentials as leverage in the power struggle against one another now that all pretenses of money are out fo the window and the direct political competition with one another in separate economic spheres is the only path towards further acquisition. Or 2), more likely in my opinion, the e-dollar will be created to take the dollars place and the world’s reserve currency will become a blockchain wherein personal data on one another will be the implicit backing. Now that the middle class has been annihilated and a vast peasantry is forced to either work or starve the forces of production are no longer the restriction on trade. The bounds of value are set by data. Each e-dollar and e-wallet will keep a psychological profile of the consumer and the entirety of the market will be driven by A.I. dominated futures algorithms that compete with each other over which can more accurately guess the sexual and social depravity to which the consumer will succumb. There will be more than enough products. So many that entire consumer nations will have to be bred with comfy non-jobs that only transfer money in their small isolated circles so that the consumer drones can spend them on goyslop which goes right back into their paycheck from GoyslopMoneyWashersInc. You can already see the trends leading here everyday. Trans people are one thing. Going on Reddit or Discord to see “‘memes” that are just gay porn promoting trans shit is genuinely horrific though. It’s blatant mindwashing just because some algorithm figured that it was an untapped market with enormous growth potential.  get it? Heh  Of course, most of this later spending will be on debt and as such a formal transition from 2) to 1) is much more likely than the collapse of the dollar straight to 1)
+--- 21985550
+>>21984764
+Leftist intellectuals defending liberalism? No, they're just liberals defending liberalism.
+--- 21986007
+Isaac Wood was pretty good
+--- 21986017
+>>21982211
+Insecure cope. Retard.
+--- 21986084
+>>21979563
+>By the way, sir, can you explain this three-month gap in your resume?
+Brutally spot on :'(
+--- 21986879
+>>21986007
+Who?
+--- 21986980
+>>21984867
+I think the bourgeois does want to be a new aristocracy, but not a blood and soil type one. They don’t want the peasantry on the land.
+--- 21986993
+>>21984529
+You’re missing the forest for the trees. The point is that people were classically educated and cultivated as human persons, which is a prerequisite for creation.
+--- 21987400
+>>21979185 (OP)
+I think a big factor is that the publishing industry is dying because it can't keep up with the internet. Readership is "high" but the only books being published are fantasy novels and the same generic novels written by POC authors about issues in their community boring cover impact font title non-offensive anything. Why would you even want to become a published author these days?
+
+You give:
+>100% of the effort in writing a book, entirely in your free time, completely unpaid
+You get:
+>An extremely rigorous selection process for what gets published (AKA not you)
+>10-20% of the profits of the book (not enough to live off of with the economy's current state)
+>No marketing (you have to do this yourself)
+>The publishing company owns your name (if your book bombs, you can never publish another book anywhere else)
+
+I have a friend who writes fairly eloquently with interesting topics, constantly rejected. I had an English professor when I was in college in her mid-40's bragging about how after ten years of applications she was finally getting her first book published.
+
+Meanwhile, you go on the internet, there is such a plethora of literature to read for free, with much better avenue streams for the authors. You lose out on the "prestige" of being in a bookstore with a published book, but in exchange, you have writer freedom. The next great novel might already exist. It's just probably buried somewhere within Amazon Marketplace, AO3, Royal Road, as a self published novel that got overlooked.
+--- 21987482
+>>21987400
+it's clear we need some kind of gatekeeping, because you look at wattpad and it's an overflowing sewer. no one has stomach to dig through the shit to find a few gems. but neither is tradpub fulfilling that role. they reject good novels and throw idpol pandering and trend du jour schlock at us. our "nobility class" are uncultured negrofucking decadent trash who twerk to tiktok videos, and our democratized avenues are full of prodigious amounts of unfiltered raw sewage from deranged morons and equally retarded users who gobble it up. the thinking man has no representation.
+--- 21987535
+>>21979870
+Too bad they're always totally lacking in quality to their predecessors, since the masses have become even dumber than before.
+--- 21987605
+>>21987482
+what can we do with this?. who should be the actual gatekeepers?.
+--- 21987620
+>>21987482
+I don't think there's a need for gatekeepers, because then the gatekeepers decide who gets to write. Literature should be something completely open to everyone, which is why the wild west of self published literature is effective. The only issue is finding good works. On one end you have 15 years olds writing bad erotica, and on the other end you have failed authors who actually have somewhere they can put their uninteresting novels. Somewhere in between is good, readable, literature, it's just that there's so much there's no real way to find it. Still, infinite freedom seems better than an extremely narrow selection. Give it some more years and I think it'll evolve into something worthwhile. This new age of internet writing can lead to a new writing movement.
+--- 21987638
+>>21986980
+They want to be a transient aristocracy that owns a couple rental properties in various "cute little town"s and collects electronic payments from tenants they never have to see, while they are waited on hand and foot in exclusive vacation destinations by a transient stream of milquetoast wagies who's names they never need to bother to remember. And if anyone steps out of line they're crushed by the full weight of the omnipresent police-mommy-state, because after all, /they/ didn't oppress that violent and dangerous wagie, they're just passively existing in a comfortable state of opulence. Besides, their parents payed 300k for them to go to a /good/ school and get a /degree/. They /earned/ their place in society.
+--- 21987649
+>>21987620
+>Somewhere in between is good, readable, literature, it's just that there's so much there's no real way to find it.
+im not the guy you are responding, but thats the problem. thats why we need the gatekeeping, and i talk like a reader here. we need some crazy guy with good taste who read shit after shit after shit of the self published maremagnum and take our the little jewells for us. but somehow we never have that. and tradpub, like the anon say, its simply a joke, they are like tv producers. 
+>This new age of internet writing can lead to a new writing movement.
+seems like you are new to this. people say that shit since internet was mainstream. but what we have twenty years later?... if your premise is correct we would have not only two or three big authors but an absolute stream of content and readers. i feel that absolute freedom, and i dont like to say it, but it ends in boredom and inactivity. nobody want to eat shit with no credential all her life. the problem here is that there is no a complex and honest and sincere imaginative writers different from one another, we have freedom but everyone do more or less the same shit. so you end up tired and without enthusiasm of read basically the same voice one time after another looking for that two or three strange and unique writers. thats why we should need some stubborn piece of shit who believe in the great works or have a vision, its the only way i think like a plausible solution to this problem. i even start to think it can be even a good business model.
+--- 21987653
+>>21987482
+>>21987605
+What we need is to hoist up new gatekeepers. Roberto Calasso said that the first job of a good publisher was to act as a discriminatory reader.
+
+Personally I've been pumping out a bunch of self-published translations of interesting historical documents. Currently working on a series of books about the Soviet expansion in Central Asia, all the books are already available online but I'm trying to offer decent formatting, cover design, and appendixes with maps, correspondences, essays, etc. etc.
+
+Might be a waste of time, but I think there's a real need to for publishers that someone can look at, and say, "That! That must be a good book, if /they/ published it."
+
+Something thats been brewing in the back of my mind anyways. Id be interested to hear if anyone has any thoughts.
+--- 21987654
+>>21987638
+Denoso Cortez described the bourgeois as the discussing class. I still think that’s true. They’re the people that want to have steering committees, and assemblies, and various sorts of organizations to get together and make a fuss, and they want the whole world to sort of be kept at home filing paperwork to leave the house and gaining licenses. The only difference is now there’s a technocratic bend, and a demonic sort of one at that. You’re right that this isn’t and never will be an aristocracy of the land, and as long as they’re in charge no peasantry will ever really be peasantry. A underclass of peasants hooked up to computer screens is the most dystopian vision of the world I can imagine.
+--- 21987666
+>>21987649
+The issue is that the crazy guy with good taste, even when he does find something good, doesn't necessarily have the pull to publish it. I mean, some random writer on royalroads, especially if their book is good, why would they trust some random guy on the internet to "publish" their book? It seems like you'd need to be already established as a publishing company in order to do this. 
+
+Also, to riff on your ideas, it seems like publishing has been seriously left behind by modern media. I mean, how many publishing houses have a decent youtube channel? If you look at writers of the past it was full of drama and flashiness, writers would diss their contemporaries, get in duels, fuck the hottest women in the country, etc. etc. Now when you think of a writer, its a middle aged PHD with a tweed suit and a limp dick. 
+
+What I think literature really needs is its own WorldStar, its own TMZ. There isn't enough drama to keep the normies hanging on, and I really don't know how to reconcile this with 'serious literature'. But Rimbaud was smoking opium and getting in shoot outs during his glory days, so clearly it can happen.
+--- 21987690
+>>21987666
+>doesn't necessarily have the pull to publish it.
+the shit is already published. i was talking about self-published books. the hypothetical crazy guy only have to point out that this specific work worth your time. if he really have good taste, the ball grows alone and more people trust in him. i was talking of online content. but its just an idea. we need people like that.
+--- 21987699
+>>21987666
+>and I really don't know how to reconcile this with 'serious literature'.
+also, yes. i totally reconcile it. we have burroughs, henry miller, bukowski, even faulker and hemingway, writers can be easily be romanticized. we just live in cynical times, and thats the problem with current literature. they all look like buraucrats (and they write like them...) but there is space to grow precisely because of that. but i dont know, i am 33 now, and i think about this since i was 20 and nothing really change.
+--- 21987702
+>>21981854
+>We haven't not been at war in the west since 9-11.
+Not real war. What we're talking about here is when everybody in the nation knows and feels that they're in danger. Hasn't happened in the West since WW2.
+--- 21987715
+>>21987653
+That's a great endeavor. It's driving me insane how much academic material we are losing because a university keeps it locked up behind a paywall for 50+ years until it fades to dust. And besides that, it's 2023, the internet is global, and we can't get decent translations of important works despite bilingual people certainly existing and even having college degrees, but they're not assigned this task at all, they don't know it exists, and everything is stagnant in bureaucracy and paywalls. And at the same time when we could be funding this, we'd rather send 500 billion to american pavement apes or slav-on-slav proxy wars. Our "leaders" both political and cultural/academic have lost the plot. 
+>>21987666
+only recently have agencies begun using email. and they still think a pdf attachment will give them a virus, and demand you paste the body into the email (only american agents demand this). I'm certain most of their processes could be made far more efficient with technology, but the boomer dinosaurs in charge still cling to stacks of paper and hand-shake queries where you have to know someone or lick ass well to be considered. The people in power are stagnant and need to fucking die.
+--- 21987868
+>>21979870
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq5z55IdMVo [Embed]
+--- 21987875
+There up and cumming writers such as myself. Give me a few months I'll have a schizo draft ready for you.
+--- 21987979
+>>21984030
+>this (you) is the most reward youll ever get for your exhaustingly faggy prose
+Your mom also felt 'exhausted' after I did her, anon. kek
+--- 21987993
+>>21985550
+same difference in the current year
+--- 21988021
+Critique of materialism has been done. Writer's today love to smell their own farts, hence all the advice books. Advice from money to love. What we're lacking is a story that encompasses the appeal to "authority" or rejection of it.
+--- 21988041
+>>21984794
+>Why write a novel exploring our age when it’ll just be condemned as reactionary or bigoted and shunned by everyone?
+Maybe we need only a bit more of momentum. A new generation have to feel the bad effects for themselves, birth rates falling, so on. Only then can begin a honest look for answers.
+--- 21988055
+>>21987653
+It’s necessary, but much of what is getting to the publisher is just not that good anyway m. The truth is that young male demographic is just not that interested in reading and they’re especially not that interested in writing. It feels like the internet just fundamentally changed everything m and so doing things the old way is noble but futile.
+--- 21988101
+>>21988021
+> What we're lacking is a story that encompasses the appeal to "authority" or rejection of it.
+wtf this means?
+--- 21988261
+>>21988055
+Sure, but literature as a medium has been with humanity for 3,000 years. Even when we write long form effort posts on 4chan we're engaging in a tradition of letters that goes back to the Byzantines at least.
+
+Maybe the old way of doing things isn't worthwhile, but is it impossible to envision new ways of doing things? The publishing house has only existed for about 300 years, maybe it's time to start looking towards the future? And what does that look like? Lots of intellectual types of Twitter writing for substack these days. Idk, it seems lazy to just throw up our hands and declare the written word dead.
+--- 21988293
+>>21988261
+It seems to me that what's missing these days is a profitable literary culture.
+
+So what does that mean? Well there are lots of lone wolf authors out there, cranking out solo projects, but it doesn't seem like there's a easily recognizable community of authors who are circlejerking/criticizing one another. So that's needed. And how do these people communicate? Is it through tweeting at each other? Or maybe long form emails published in the form of a "correspondence" book? Basically for literature to be cool, there needs to be an insider club, with groupies hanging around at the margins to have sex with, and even more captivated normies who are watching the whole thing unfold as spectical. That's the culture part at least.
+
+And it needs to be literary. Which means it has to be in active dialogue not only with contemporary authors, but also with a 'canon', perhaps Bloom's western Canon, maybe something else. But without paying homage to this historical legacy it's not really literary, just a regular old circlejerk.
+
+And finally it needs to be profitable. That means add revenue. It means speaking engagements. It means books which sell more than a thousand copies regularly. It means that someone can make enough money writing to do dick all the rest of the time, and hang out in cafes with other authors sucking each other off, or that they can afford to head to whatever global conflict is going on and write a shitty pamphlet from the front lines, and that needs to cover their airfare and hotels.
+
+You see where I'm going with this? None of this requires a bunch of rich yuppies in New York or Paris talking about TS Eliot with their fellow Cambridge graduates. but it does require.... Something. And I'm not sure yet what that something is, but unless our generation can find it, literature might as well be dead.
+--- 21988324
+>>21979185 (OP)
+What else is left to say? 
+
+We've had enough
+--- 21988363
+>>21988293
+you can't have criticism circles anymore. look at reddit. you get BANNED for giving concrit. it's a bland hyperpoliced assrubbing circle for midwits who need their mom's supervision to use a kitchen knife. in the modern environment you can't have the kind of banter you get on 4chan (or spicy goodreads reviews) because people cry and whine and report you and then crybully brigade you for fwwwwaaaaaaaming them
+
+the problem is the modern populace doesn't deserve good literature
+--- 21988415
+>>21988293
+Now we're talking real, my man.
+
+>>21988293
+>You see where I'm going with this? None of this requires a bunch of rich yuppies in New York or Paris talking about TS Eliot with their fellow Cambridge graduates. but it does require.... Something. And I'm not sure yet what that something is, but unless our generation can find it, literature might as well be dead.
+I like the urgency in your speech.
+--- 21988650
+>>21984794
+>But the one thing that people in this thread are missing is that there’s not just a lack of great artists, there’s no room for them to exist at all. Even if someone makes a truly amazing 21st century novel it won’t be influential or welcomed by any intellectual classes. Cinema and television are now far more significant than literature when it comes to narrative storytelling in modern life. So why try to write something great at all when everyone will just wait for the film adaptation? Why write a novel exploring our age when it’ll just be condemned as reactionary or bigoted and shunned by everyone?
+Wish I could refute this.
+I've been writing in english for quite a few years now; at first to translate some early rubbish I'd written in my first language and to improve myself, then as I convinced myself that I'd die miserable before my writings received any acknowledgement in my homeland. Nowadays, I'm plagued by the thought that this possibility is no longer restricted to my poor third world shithole, and that I would remain obscure in a world laser-focused on social media content and watered down movies and tv shows, or that everything implodes before I even get the chance to publish, and the more I read about the state of the world and try and envision what may come to be, the more they grow.
+Worse still, whenever I dared talk about my writings to some people, some which I trusted (some which I still do, in spite of the disappointment) as honest friends, and some whose trust I meant to test a little. To this day, I think only three have shown legitimate interest, and only one has read everything I sent their way (one of which is quite understandable due to health conditions). At least they've loved what they found.
+It really appears that this post-modern world has no space for literature, and lord knows whether this is a cycle or worse... Yet here I am, writing anyway. 153 pages, notwithstanding random scribbles and ideas I'm yet to write about. I can't claim I've been efficient, seeing that I've been working on this for four years and nearly a half, but then I have written and rewritten, developed some things and trashed others, from simple passages to entire chapters. These characters and their world have been populating my mind ever since, and I think there's more to my stubbornness than mere pity of otherwise silencing them.
+There are some things I wish to communicate.
+It might be a slow effort, and perhaps mankind will implode before I even get to print one copy, seeing that, so far, I'm so clueless on how to proceed that I haven't even contacted any publisher...
+I'll stop here because I feel I'm just about to drive in circles, and I think I've said what I wanted to say about this: I've been despairing, deep inside, but somehow I haven't become hopeless. Somehow, I'm persevering.
+Sorry for the huge blog, I just felt I had to.
+--- 21988667
+>>21988363
+can you criticize my shitty book?
+--- 21988718
+>>21979185 (OP)
+Could also be that less people read books. "What makes one great is what they read, not what they write. " - Borges
+--- 21988992
+>>21984764
+what a profound insight

lit/21979225.txt

@@ -333,3 +333,184 @@ I don't have any great ideas, but maybe start it out with a piece of dialogue or
 >>21983799
 >all of a sudden the Jewish man wakes up. It was just a dream
 I’m starting to have serious doubts as to whether or not it’s intentional now. The “it was all a dream” shtick fucking 30 seconds into the novel is siderending.
+--- 21985262
+>>21983440
+Not really, all it takes is some weirdo to start spamming the comment sections or emailing the editors spurious lies. If my novel gets published I may shill it here.
+--- 21985268
+>>21982019
+
+It's not much but can someone give me some feedback please.
+--- 21986343
+>>21984436
+First two stanzas
+--- 21986438
+>>21979230
+>The desert was infinite and eternal; On the horizon, shimmering sable sand met the darkling sky like waves upon an ocean of tar, breaking on diamond-dust stars.
+
+Thoughts? Could really use some unbiased opinions.
+--- 21986470
+>>21979225 (OP)
+--- 21986485
+>>21986470
+come on now
+--- 21986628
+>>21986438
+>capital letter after semi-colon
+>too many adjectives, going into purple prose territory
+>last comma breaks pacing weirdly
+
+The idea is fine but maybe break it into 2 sentences or more, just working on sentence pacing in general
+--- 21986742
+>>21979225 (OP)
+I dont even bother writing the intro anymore. I have a vague idea of how it starts and write chapter 1 after I finish everything else. The intro is too important to have sloppy writing, and I'd rather figure out the story first before wrack my brain with something I may have to rewrite anyways.
+--- 21986750
+>>21979732
+Lighthouse was an eye opener. Didnt think that style could sound so good.
+--- 21986791
+>>21986628
+Thanks for the feedback.
+
+Is it bad that I honestly, truly enjoy purple prose?
+--- 21986809
+>>21986791
+All authors do! It's fun to write, but alas it's not very fun to read.
+--- 21986884
+>>21986809
+You're extremely right, anon! Thanks for the reality check.
+--- 21986951
+>>21986628
+>>21986809
+I am someone who is guilty of writing purple prose. I never knew that's what it was called, but I always had that criticism with my work when re-reading it and seeing multiple adjectives behind everything trying to describe it all. Do you have any advice for toning it down or balancing it out?
+--- 21986975
+>>21986951
+I have no great answer for this, but I suggest periodically comparing your writing to "good" authors in the genre you're writing and vaguely emulating until you find your own voice without purple prose.
+--- 21986994
+>>21986975
+Otherwise I wonder if I just go through my writing and purge a lot of the extra adjectives to make it look barebones, then go back to it and add only what's necessary. But I think that's all about finding my voice.
+--- 21986999
+>>21986994
+Bruv who r u reading fr fr
+--- 21987007
+>>21986999
+Currently reading this. I mostly read older stuff.
+--- 21987018
+>>21986951
+Read poetry. You'll learn how to harness the purple into something that actually sounds pleasant to read and then people will praise you for it. You'll also learn how to avoid falling into cliched description (which is the real problem behind purple prose).
+--- 21987028
+>>21987018
+Any recommendations?
+--- 21987057
+>>21979225 (OP)
+He sat down to take a poo poo but quickly realized that wasn't happening. He let out a little pee pee but nothing more would come. He didn't want to get up, to admit defeat so soon but he knew it was inevitable. Before getting too comfy, he wiped his ass with nothing to show for it, stood up and flushed the toilet. He didn't wash his hands and walked out the door. He did not look back.
+--- 21987063
+>>21987018
+Oh god. I am not a big fan of poetry. I took a class on Poetry writing in college and the stuff I wrote people liked, but the stuff I had to read for the actual class just made me wish I was reading a story or writing out characters.
+--- 21987067
+>>21987063
+Aye, me too. I've had so much trash poetry forced down my throat I've been soured on the thing as a whole.
+--- 21987085
+>>21987067
+God I'm getting flashbacks of cringy kids reading out their "funny" poems to the class and everyone else giggling when they ENUNCIATE a certain word for "comedic effect", and then the cringe ass ritual of everyone snapping after someone's done reading their poem they wrote. Jesus christ.
+--- 21987179
+>>21987028
+https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/66619/pg66619-images.html
+
+Don't read front to back, obviously. Browse around. A few of my favorite poems aren't in this volume (e.g Darkness by Lord Byron) but it's still a good overview.
+--- 21987203
+>>21987028
+don't listen to this retard >>21987179
+--- 21987284
+>>21979225 (OP)
+>They had tried to destroy the Will, but that proved to be beyond their power. So they broke it, in two ways. It was broken physically, torn apart, with the fragments of heavy parchment scattered across both space and time. It was broken in spirit because not one clause of it had been fulfilled.
+--- 21987539
+>>21987203
+Why don't you provide an alternative?
+--- 21987547
+>>21987539
+BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO OMG
+--- 21987557
+So if this thread is any indication, every writer who posts on /lit/ is terrible except for maybe two?
+--- 21987560
+>>21987557
+Which two? He asked, pathetically hoping that he would be named.
+--- 21987564
+>>21987547
+No no no, don't get carried away haha!
+
+According to this thread, everything piece of original creative writing on /lit/ is terrible except for maybe one paragraph.
+--- 21987567
+>>21987564
+meant for >>21987557
+
+*every piece
+--- 21987590
+>>21987560
+The first one, and there was one where a guy learned how to hide in plain sight or something.
+--- 21987593
+>>21987590
+( ._.)
+--- 21987599
+>>21987557
+You seem surprised.
+--- 21987747
+>He had been allowed into the monastery as a child and even as he stood wavering on the cusp of adulthood, Gyges realized he was still no closer to becoming a monk. “You must become the cup,” Antine had said, face passive and with two eyes that betrayed nothing, but hung in the smoky air like a pair of lonesome black moons orbiting one another. His hand gestured to a petite tea cup, lovingly crafted, which even now carried a mixture of water and blood. “I can become like the cup, or I can become like the water or I can be the water in and of itself. But I cannot be the cup.” Gyges had said those same words a dozen times. This test was impossibility itself. “And that is the issue at hand,” Antine spoke softly, “I am not asking you to be the cup, I ask that you become it. Show me the pregnant second of transformation stretched out, forever.” But Gyges could not, and in the Summer of 1867 he left feeling fooled and foolish. The monks had given him his belongings, a pack of dried provisions, a water skin, and a cup.
+--- 21987923
+>>21986485
+what do you think about it?
+--- 21988184
+There hugs a road heading west a restaurant in which I am sitting at. My eyes are resting on an old man at another table, staring past him, further into my fantasies, there are Japanese women urinating on me in my dreams. One of them has her fangs in my neck. The other has her tongue down my throat. Suffocating me with her tongue, breathing for me via her teeth. The old man looks up at me as blood rushes into my penis. And I am physically making eye contact with an old man. Mentally banging two Japanese demons. As my date arrives and I realize she is not Japanese. My erection deflated.
+--- 21988443
+>>21979236
+>>21981975
+This is so goddamn good. I really wish you were more willing to shill, though I understand your caution.
+Could you at least tell us which journals you plan to send it to?
+>>21979712
+> any praise I get for my [art] here would kill some of my motivation to [make] it.
+Damn. This is something I've realized is one of my biggest problems. I've got tons of ideas, but every time I blab about one, I wind up basking in the praise for a month.
+I wonder what the hell causes that. I wish talking wasn't such a temptation. Why do you suppose it happens that way? Do you know any good ways to avoid it?
+--- 21988600
+>>21979225 (OP)
+>The blackened branches shook against the autumn wind. The colorful leaves wavered off and drifted into the cold air— dotting along the grey skies. Flying over the mossed shingles and stoney chimneys in a flock— never to be seen again. They flew under the spell of the ancient flute that surrounded the village, the song it played droned long before the puritans of old England came. One of these shingle capped houses was a tavern. Behind the window panes was the orange glow of the fire place. It illuminated a black stretched silhouette against the chairs and tables and occupants. The flames flickered and crackled on its ashen wood logs— it cooked the hanging black pot above. It was filled with a roast, along with carrots and potatoes and submerged in a broth. An ebony hand picked up the fire poker off a stand and began stabbing the logs. It sprouted out sparks as if he disturbed a hive of pixies. He took a spoon out of his apron pocket and began turning the contents of the Mahogany-colored stew counter clockwise. He sipped it— He began taking ladles worth of the stew into the wood carved bowls.
+--- 21988608
+>Oakwood wasn't known for being an exciting town, but it was certainly a nice place to live. That much wasn't disputed by anyone. While the outside world seemed to get crazier by the day, life in Oakwood chugged along at mostly the pace it had since its founding. In 1827 settlers from Connecticut had moved to the newly acquired Michigan territory in search of land when they found what was then referred to the natives as Wabsoki, or "the swamp". And while it was true that the wet, marshy soil did not take easily to farming, it did not stop the enterprising settlers from turning it into one of the most successful lumber towns in the entire territory. It was in the lumber business that the first rich families of Oakwood made their fortunes. It was these families who decided to officially found the city in 1833, naming it after the tall white oak in the middle of town that the first settlers had slept under. Oakwood had a history that was not unlike most small towns of its country. Pious congregations, petty disputes and gossip, family life and hard work dominated the daily lives of its citizens. But there was one thing in its history that most towns cannot claim, and that is that for a period of over one hundred years Oakwood was home to the largest asylum in the world, the scale of which can scarcely be conceived. 
+
+I'm really good with ideas but horrible at making it readable.
+--- 21988619
+>>21988608
+*referred to by the natives, fuck
+--- 21988914
+Priore held her lantern aloft, its faint green glow casting long shadows against the trees. On her arm perched a crow with feathers black like tar. You’d be forgiven if you mistook her for a ghost. Even among witches, she had always been sickly. 
+
+At length, she made her way to a clearing, where several figures stood waiting for her.
+
+Priore could hear them before she saw them. Coughing and vomiting from the deadly miasma of the First Ring, these were not witches; that much was certain. Unlike Priore, they could not stay in the Hollow for long. Another few hours and they might start to retch up their intestines, making quite a mess of themselves.
+
+As she entered the clearing, the knights noticed her presence and recoiled. Priore could see them up close now. Wearing fancy doublets and wide-brimmed helmets that reflected the hue of her lantern, these were knights sent from the Kingdom of Stars. One knight was noticeably more tall and handsome than the others: the Duke of Stars. 
+
+The Duke stepped forward. 
+
+“We are looking for the great witch of this region. Might you be Lady Priore, the Witch of Stars?”
+
+Priore noticed that when the Duke spoke, even the trees leaned a little closer to listen. 
+
+She curtsied. “What does the Kingdom of Stars want with me?”
+
+The Duke responded with a nod, “What we ask of you is trivial for one of your capabilities.” 
+
+Priore neither smiled nor frowned. “You are too kind.” The Duke was only being polite, of course. It was known throughout the land that the Witch of Stars was the least among the nine great witches.
+
+“We don’t wish to trouble you, but a certain someone has escaped the boundaries of our kingdom. Eluding even our noblest knights, this vagabond has taken refuge in your realm.”
+
+“A vagabond?”
+
+“A wily fox, a sly one who kidnaps and eats children.”
+
+“You want me to catch him?”
+
+“That fox has already been sentenced to death. Catch him, boil him, eat him, it matters little to us. All I ask is that you bring him to justice.”
+
+“I am the kingdom’s court witch. I will do as you ask.”
+
+A curtsy and a bow. As both parties turned to leave, (the knights were becoming terribly impatient,) the Duke added, “Oh, and one more thing. Don’t fall for any of his tricks. He is excessively polite.”
+
+To this, Priore did not respond.

lit/21980009.txt

@@ -125,3 +125,35 @@ ywnbaw
 --- 21984677
 >>21984463
 Fixed it.
+--- 21985256
+>>21985039
+Damn I forgot about the cringe smoker man, I wanna use it for Chuck Palahniuk's Fight Club
+--- 21985261
+>>21981777
+Idgi
+--- 21985751
+>>21984677
+checked
+--- 21986152
+>>21982223
+Why?
+--- 21986329
+>>21984677
+Checked and keke'd
+--- 21986736
+>>21980020
+CAECILIUS NO!!!!! THE VOLCANO WATCH OUT
+--- 21986749
+>>21985261
+it's that musician Moby
+--- 21986770
+>>21980009 (OP)
+--- 21987485
+>>21980009 (OP)
+--- 21987528
+>>21980009 (OP)
+--- 21988073
+>>21986770
+My favorite
+--- 21988497
+I use this to make the covers of my own shitty slop I post online so I feel important

lit/21980774.txt

@@ -119,3 +119,52 @@ Redpill me on this
 --- 21984438
 >>21980860
 He's a vampire and you are on the menu
+--- 21985506
+>>21980929
+Jesus man, leave this place for a while. Its not good for you
+--- 21985580
+>>21980774 (OP)
+>Hey guys, I made a friend who's a "philosopher", he's going to teach me about Jews and dinosaurs
+Was he itching his neck and twitching too?
+--- 21985632
+>>21980924
+--- 21985639
+>>21985632
+Reads like a Borges short story.
+--- 21985646
+>>21980860
+He's a werewolf and he wants you to lock him inside his basement on the next full moon because he doesn't trust himself
+--- 21985674
+>>21980886
+>job dealing with the public you know all about these
+Thank Allah i have no interest in this whatsoever. Deus vult.
+--- 21985682
+>>21980916
+>schizo mumbles schizo stuff
+If you find him knowledgeable then your probably a midwit yourself.
+--- 21985723
+>>21980860
+He's initiating you into the pre-Antediluvian mysteries, soon he will take you under the city and reveal to you the foundations of everything.
+--- 21985730
+>>21980876
+Have you tried chelation therapy?
+--- 21985736
+>>21980929
+Coping ressentiment last man
+--- 21985877
+>>21980798
+>Sophie's World?
+Holy shit, it is similar to OP's
+--- 21985889
+>>21980774 (OP)
+>>21980779
+Turn the tables on him: ask him why he's still wearing that shirt when it's so nice outside.
+--- 21986061
+>>21980774 (OP)
+I had stuff like this happen to me twice. One time in Vienna when I was 23 that old guy we met at pub was the same and it ended with some weird wine tasting event and later they wanted to go search for prostitutes and the second time it was some old jew that claimed to live in Heifa and I just thought that he is hobo (although he knew many languages and read everything that I did at that time). Nonetheless I think he either is grooming you or he wants some money and is lonely. I don't think it will be worth it for you, because anything that type of people tells you have to double check anyway, as you don't yet have enough knowledge to evaluate it yourself
+--- 21987625
+bump
+--- 21987631
+>>21980860
+>he just rambled for 2 hours straight occasionally asking me very basic questions (what's philosophy, what's meaning etc.)
+Omg, so worth it. What doth life??????

lit/21980954.txt

@@ -753,3 +753,410 @@ The Immoralist
 --- 21984609
 >>21984534
 Size difference is pretty easily explicable I think. The normal differences in sizes between ordinary people, and between the sexes, are already charged with sexual and social significance. Then you make it even more extreme. I'm assuming that's what the erotic core of the fetish is, maybe some size fetishists can correct me.
+--- 21985444
+bush
+--- 21985660
+>>21980954 (OP)
+Impregnation
+--- 21985661
+>>21984279
+If you aren't an incel and you never imagine yourself like a cuck in cheating porn, then Sperm War is for you.
+
+It's basically a bunch of incel bullshit with a lot of fantasy stories about women fucking Chad and getting pregnant.
+--- 21985670
+Women taller than me. I mean like can barely fit in a doorway and wears heels anyways kinda tall.
+--- 21985677
+Black t-shirts that fits well, not loose, not too tight
+--- 21985737
+Tiny fairy girls going on adventures and falling in lesbians with human girls.
+
+>>21981167
+>>>/mlp/ptfg/
+
+>>21984609
+I think you're on the mark. There's outliers for whom the power dynamics aren't as important, but you can pretty much boil down the appeal for majority of sizefags as some combination of power play and exaggeration of other fetishes.
+--- 21985767
+seriously? 219 posts and no one has my fetish?
+virgin girls
+--- 21985771
+>>21985767
+That's a fetish? It ought to be the standard. Not that older women arent hot I think that relationshios are better starting young.
+--- 21985772
+Caning
+Women being caned until their asses are red and the skin breaks
+Women's ribs being struck with a cane until they bruise and crack
+Women having a cane's tip pushed between their lips
+Women being sodomized with a cane
+--- 21985789
+>>21980957
+K
+>>21980987
+I
+>>21980988
+L
+>>21981004
+L
+>>21981020
+
+>>21981022
+Y
+>>21981027
+O
+>>21981034
+U
+>>21981043
+R
+>>21981049
+S
+>>21981052
+E
+>>21981075
+L
+>>21981076
+V
+>>21981077
+E
+>>21981084
+S
+
+Fetishes are conditioned behaviors and embracing them is peak reddit and a mental illness on the level of being a christcuck. Nothing makes me sicker than to read threads like this. All this technological progress and this is what you think about. You're a pathetic waste and will do nothing great with your minds of lives.
+--- 21985811
+>>21985789
+Let me guess, anon, you're into scat.
+--- 21985814
+>>21985789
+Imagine the shit this guy is into.
+--- 21985819
+>>21985789
+It is clear you have not read any erotic poetry from antiquity or the middle ages or else you wouldn't say such rubbish. What kind of cuck would deny the erotic core of his soul because of what someone online said? The fetishist is ennobled by his deviance. Set apart. All of his nerves are on fire for one thing... High art is generally the product of a fixation of some kind... a misalignment... not necessarily erotic, but not infrequently so... the artist is desperate for the world to "see" things the way he does... there is an intensity and an obsessiveness to his mission... Nabokov's synesthesia... Joyce's attraction to the scatological undercurrent of human life... Michelangelo's preoccupation with the violence of the male body... Mishima's fascination with death... Don't disrespect the poison dart that Eros has shot into your heart... it is one of the best gifts the Muses can bestow...
+
+>To try curing someone of a "vice," of what is the deepest thing he has, is to attack his very being, and this is indeed how he himself understands it, since he will never forgive you for wanting him to destroy himself in your way and not his.
+Emil Cioran
+
+>The degree and kind of a man's sexuality reach up into the ultimate pinnacle of his spirit.
+Friedrich Nietzsche
+--- 21985825
+A harem of high-achieving beautiful women made maidens providing general services, on-demand sex, and acting as any amenity they can match in function, e.g. a table, chair, book stand, punching bag, or even toilet.
+--- 21985837
+>>21985737
+>Tiny fairy girls going on adventures and falling in lesbians with human girls.
+did you get this from somewhere because now I want it
+--- 21985883
+extreme cuckolding with femdom elements
+
+ I fapped to "sadly, porn" when my intention with the book wasnt sexual at all. Other actual erotica is natural consequences (it has like 150k words of an in depth story), stories with nebic (really damn extreme sometimes and gets into other extreme fetishes) and unrelenting cruelty (every story is the same to be honest, but it gets pretty extreme). Leocasper is another good one. Also everyone that has this fetish should kill themselves including me 
+--- 21985902
+>>21980954 (OP)
+Here are my requirements
+>>21980957
+>>21981097
+>>21982008
+>>21981338
+Bodily fluids, preferably with potent odour
+>>21981186
+Ideally forced upon my face while i remain passive
+>>21981130
+By well endowed women if possible
+
+Now l’m waiting
+--- 21985909
+>>21985819
+This anon gets it and will create something great.
+--- 21985968
+>>21985819
+that's a lot of fucking ellipses, but you make a strong argument
+--- 21986079
+>>21980954 (OP)
+
+Older women and more dominant women with some gentle femdom on the side
+--- 21986181
+>>21986079
+how badly do you want to fuck your mom from 6-10 (I know it cant be any lower)
+--- 21986201
+>>21985819
+i disagree but i like how you write.write another post
+--- 21986215
+pedophilia
+hardmode: no Lolita
+--- 21986247
+>>21981144
+Their Four Hearts by Sorokin has plenty shota sex scenes.
+--- 21986285
+>>21985789
+This, you need to dominate your cravings from the flesh
+--- 21986318
+>>21984534
+>On another note, how do people even develop the more out there fetishes?
+Male sexuality is centered around the act of sex and the aesthetic of sex. Female sexuality is centered around what the act of sex implies (validation, flattery, emotional fulfillment). A common way of putting it is that men use love to get sex and women use sex to get love. They both want both, but how they pursue completion is different. Women are less secure/stable than men and they require maleness to ground them. For that reason, how they determine a sexual opportunity's value is weighed in terms that a man would probably consider irrelevant to the actual act of sex. A woman can decide to have sex with you because you're the only one in the group who can make everybody laugh. She might suddenly find herself turned on by a man she was totally unattracted to previously, just because he got a promotion. She can be attracted to you because your fingernails remind her of her father's hands and he's the only other person who ever made her feel safe. Most men wouldn't even believe how female attraction actually works because it sounds convoluted, and most women aren't conscious enough of it to explain. They are drawn to indicators of male power and stability, or at least what each woman interprets as such. I'm saying all this to make the point that there's a psychologized element to human sexuality that has nothing to do with the actual act of mating, and if you get tangled in chasing indicators of what (should) fulfill you it can get pretty far removed. For women, satisfying fetishes takes primacy over sensation to the point that most of them can have a satisfying sexual experience without even cumming. Men are less like that, but there's still a psychological element present. If someone has a fetish that seems totally removed from sex itself, all they're doing is contriving up a context that allows them to feel like the itch, the psychological motivation behind the sex, is being scratched without them having to pursue it literally. Clowns infantalize sex, make it unintimidating. Being swallowed by a giant is aesthetically sexual (warm, wet insides) and absolves the fetishist of the pressure of agency in the act. Etc. A fetish is just an unlikely scenario that makes it easy to get what you want. Why some people fantasize about being raped whiles others fantasize about being swallowed by giant anime girls varies.
+--- 21986357
+>>21985789
+The sole reason why I visit /lit/, why I write, and why I study language is so that I can create better -- more detailed, intricate, creative, and evocative -- works of fetish literature.
+--- 21986427
+>>21980954 (OP)
+Chloroform, or sleep gas.
+--- 21986486
+Female navels 
+What have you got?
+--- 21986491
+>>21985837
+It just sort-of emerged as a distillation of my thoughts on the subject. Size difference from one character being smaller physically makes more sense and allows you to draw from the richness of real life. Flight gives the smaller character agency, which opens up more opportunity for storytelling. Lesbians sidestep the issue of smallness being associated with weakness and hence lack of masculine appeal for the obligatorily female giant. I would like to write these ideas into a novel someday, but I lack the persistence to pull it off.
+Until then, there's a few non-pornographic works I've enjoyed roughly along these lines:
+
+>royalroad.com/fiction/43133 (M/f)
+>https://www.ephralon.de/en/seekers/comictest (webcomic)
+>Shot in the Dark by Mary Dublin (M/f, foid cringe)
+>Latin c02 (M/f, manga)
+There's also some that aren't adventure but may still be enjoyable:
+>archiveofourown.org/works/34421047 (F/m)
+>webtoons.com/en/challenge/fairy-lantern/list?title_no=533889 (F/m, webcomic)
+>deviantart.com/littlelorraine/art/Fairy-Pings-1-815058633 (M/f)
+>deviantart.com/reel123/art/Changeling-1-Small-Changes-727673980
+>Yousei no Okyaku-sama (F/f???, manga)
+>webtoons.com/en/challenge/grand-spirit/list?title_no=6608
+>webtoons.com/en/challenge/albdur-tale-of-the-witch-queen/list?title_no=807104 (M/f, webcomic, engrish)
+
+It should go without saying that everything here listed is shit.
+--- 21986498
+>>21980954 (OP)
+Lesbians, Muscular Women, Futanari, Gore/Ryona
+--- 21986555
+scat, diapers, catgirls, foxgirls
+--- 21986582
+>>21981970
+god I need this so bad, someone please recommend something
+--- 21986611
+>>21986582
+I need something similar, but between two women.
+--- 21986755
+>>21986582
+>>21986611
+make a thread on /r/ 
+I'll bump it
+--- 21986772
+>>21981020
+Helstroms Hive by Frank Herbert
+--- 21986774
+>>21981052
+unironically the Quran
+--- 21986811
+>>21986611
+watch the hentai "otenki onee-san". its very hot but also old and only 2 episodes 
+the first episode has a weird poop scene but the second episode is better
+--- 21986929
+Skinny long legs in nice lacy stockings,
+Taller girls with small boobs
+--- 21987010
+Big fucking massive tiddies bigger than her head
+--- 21987029
+>>21986774
+lmao
+--- 21987048
+Brainwash or just manipulation of your partner
+--- 21987487
+>>21986774
+Top kek.
+--- 21987494
+I don't really have a fetish. Are sexy men a fetish?
+--- 21987499
+>>21985819
+Did you just unironically defend faggotry and troonism?
+--- 21987523
+my fetish is asian (CJK) women
+--- 21987637
+>>21986318
+>If someone has a fetish that seems totally removed from sex itself, all they're doing is contriving up a context that allows them to feel like the itch, the psychological motivation behind the sex, is being scratched without them having to pursue it literally.
+>A fetish is just an unlikely scenario that makes it easy to get what you want
+Genuinely good post anon.
+--- 21987646
+>>21981621
+Infante's Inferno
+--- 21987669
+>>21980954 (OP)
+Lolis and Shotas.
+--- 21987675
+>>21987523
+we know, bugspammer
+--- 21987730
+>>21987523
+--- 21987741
+>>21980954 (OP)
+Hypnosis / corruption
+--- 21987770
+>>21980954 (OP)
+Fat. bald men with overweight la creatura wives
+
+Richard J Little is coming for your balls, tubby. He wont stop till you nut
+--- 21987774
+>>21987741
+Richard and Rose had a three way together with Roses husband. Zero condoms allowed
+--- 21987806
+>>21987669
+Lolita and it's sequel, Shotita
+--- 21987810
+>>21987806
+(the apostrophe was autocorrected)
+--- 21987812
+>>21987646
+I'm surprised that I not only got a reply this late into the thread but that it's actually something that sounds quite interesting and appealing to me. Thank you, friend.
+--- 21987956
+>>21987730
+murakami fag, is mishima good?
+--- 21988039
+>>21981863
+>>21981027
+Shit, I might develop a new fetish...
+--- 21988046
+>>21982524
+>>21982645
+> It made pedophiles feel bad about themselves
+Utterly based
+--- 21988067
+Tomboys
+Gangbangs
+Surpriesd nobody else has posted the first one yet. Y'all are a bunch of homos.
+--- 21988106
+>>21988067
+damn right nigga we like cock here, /lit/ is a traditionally homo board if you have never had cocklust in your life you cannot enjoy books simple as
+--- 21988114
+>>21988106
+... well I guess that actually explains a lot. My /lit/-user friend is a homo as well, and has given me some good book recs.
+Still... tomboys in general don't get enough love. The "femboy" tag is more heavily populated than the "tomboy" tag on most hentai sites, which I think speaks ill of society in general.
+--- 21988136
+The female lead has large breasts
+
+And yes, I’ve already read “my eyes are up here”
+--- 21988150
+>>21988106
+>>21988114
+I should make an addendum that I actually have nothing against homos. I just hate traplovers, "traps aren't gay" fags, "think about it logically" fags, and members of the transgender movement in general.
+It's ok to be gay, but anyone who habitually jacks it to "women" with schlongs while insisting they're straight is a denial-ridden retard. At least gay people are comfortable with who they are. It's the difference between being "gay" vs. "fake & gay."
+--- 21988200
+>>21988150
+what if i jerk to girls with dicks specifically because they're boys?
+--- 21988203
+i have a foot fetish and mostly read econ books
+--- 21988235
+>>21988150
+Lolno, this but the opposite
+2D art can be enticing and attractive because it represents an ideal without the flaws of reality. 
+"Draw a girl, call it a boy" is just annoying,
+on the other hand people who are / are into trannies, traps, twinks etc. because "uwu so heckin cute and valid" are legitimately deranged. Yeah I can see what they're going for, but no, they don't look like that sexy futa DND character concept or an anime girl, they're freakish and ugly and gross. I used to hang around places adjacent to those communities and I only saw a few of them that didn't turn my stomach just from appearance alone, even from their cherrypicked photos, and even those ones just act the same as any other weirdo. It's like a whole circle jerk of blind narcissists who can't see that they don't meet any aesthetic standards
+And gays are just aliens who I mostly can't stand, although at least some of them have tolerable personalities and are cool well rounded people beyond being manwhores
+--- 21988259
+>>21988200
+so true
+The hottest form of genderbending is when a prudish career woman or an irresponsible party slut is transformed into a trappy boy who is addicted to cock
+Imagine a girl who loves clubbing who fucks random men left and right who's had multiple abortions and then becomes pregnant with a little girl but before she even knows it, some unforeseen incident forces her ovaries to become balls and her fertilized uterus to reshape, absorb and destroy her innocent girl child (who would become just like her one day) then burst forth as a hot throbbing COCK spurting cum when a horny man fucks "her" little tight ass or "her" throat that hungers for dick
+Anyways, all women who don't want children should be converted to little hairless faggots because that is in effect what they are already.
+--- 21988265
+>>21988067
+>Tomboys
+Judging by what I've seen posted by people who say they like tomboys, those are girls with relatively short hair and wearing pants. I don't understand why you call that a fetish/kink.
+--- 21988285
+>>21985819
+I don't care about this shit.
+--- 21988352
+>>21986318
+I person have a latex fetish on chemistry after a demonstration of atmospheric pressure involving my high school crush, a black contractor bag, and a vacuum.
+--- 21988371
+>>21988200
+Then you are at peace with yourself, brother. You know who you are. Go forth, and live your beautiful faggot life to the fullest.
+
+>>21988265
+Tomboy isn't a look. Tomboy is a personality.
+
+It isn't about being interested in fitness. It isn't about having short hair. It isn't even really about gender roles. It's about a girl who likes things because she likes things, not because she thinks someone else will like her liking things.
+
+That's what I think makes the tomboy archetype so admirable. They're not really TRYING to do the opposite of their gender role. They just don't care. They don't pursue things to fit in with the other girls, or attract male partners, or even just "rebel against the patriarchy" or whatever. They're just doing what they enjoy doing. They're free spirits: original and genuine in a way that few people of either sex are.
+
+That's why I like having them around. It doesn't matter how obscure their interests are. They could be going on about some stupid bullshit that I've never heard of like the different types of insects or whatever. But if they're really knowledgeable and passionate about what they like, then I'll be intrigued even if I wouldn't normally care.
+
+No, I don't know the first thing about bugs, and no I wouldn't normally give a shit. But tell me more about exoskeletons, femanon. I might become interested if I tell myself it's interesting for long enough. And even if that fails, hearing you gush about nonsense is its own reward.
+--- 21988381
+>>21980954 (OP)
+Change. Women that change their hair, dress style, behavior, who become a new person completely. A beautiful person that ruin themselves and become unrecognizable at the en of the process. Loss of innocence.
+--- 21988398
+I'm into nerdy guys and hurt/comfort scenarios.
+--- 21988405
+>>21988398
+are you male or female?
+--- 21988408
+>>21988235
+>"Draw a girl, call it a boy" is just annoying,
+But the opposite isn't?
+You're saying a woman with a schlong represents some kind of platonic ideal?
+--- 21988409
+Father/Son Incest
+--- 21988426
+>>21988409
+Incredibly patrician
+--- 21988429
+>>21988408
+>some kind of platonic ideal
+Are fantasies the same as platonic ideals in your opinion?
+I'm saying that the idea of a woman with a schlong is something that lots of people find really hot (including me) and this is represented pretty well in art, but that every attempt to imitate that IRL is an embarrassing fuckup which can't compare to the fantasy. "draw a girl and call it a boy" is a cope for one of two things, 1. the fact the fantasy I just described is impossible or 2. insecurity about homosexual tendencies which leads bisexuals to excuse feminine attraction with "it's better if it's a boy / the dick makes it better"
+--- 21988446
+>>21988409
+I remember when my dad took me along on a five-day business trip at age 14, it was a great father / son bonding moment and really fun to go sightseeing by myself when he was busy. But since I was already hooked on furry porn and had come across m/m incest there so there were times in the trip where I felt uncomfortable or wary about my dad just wanting to spend time with me because I was being groomed by furry porn
+kind of a depressing story but I managed to compartmentalize being a coomer and I have a great relationship with my parents
+--- 21988452
+>>21988429
+I suppose I was being hyperbolic, but all right.
+For me, the idealization of a woman with a penis feels like a lie. A denial of the self, and not in a good way. There's something about it that smacks of being the first step on a dark path, but hopefully that won't be true for you, anon. If your lizard brain can keep fantasy and reality separate, then hopefully everything will work out.
+--- 21988468
+>>21988446
+You should've seduced him
+--- 21988473
+>>21980954 (OP)
+Primal play
+Group sex
+Casual nudity
+--- 21988477
+getting kicked in the balls
+--- 21988479
+>>21980954 (OP)
+Mind control, blackmail, cheating, torture, harems, murder, corruption, feminizing a twink, getting a woman pregnant and then having her abort it against her will.
+--- 21988482
+>>21988479
+Feminize me anon
+--- 21988491
+>>21988477
+feminist books, like Beauvoir.
+a metaphysical kick to the balls every sentence.
+--- 21988496
+>>21988491
+goddamnit this answer sucks!
+--- 21988498
+>>21980954 (OP)
+Humanoid alien women.
+--- 21988499
+>>21988496
+nobody is sick enough to have written about literal ballbusting
+--- 21988500
+>>21988479
+>feminizing a twink
+based. Read 'The Little Demon'.
+--- 21988509
+>>21988499
+>knows the name of the fetish 
+man of culture I see
+--- 21988514
+>>21988452
+It's not a denial of the self in all cases, but it's always a rejection of reality, because a woman with a penis is an impossibility. probably the combination of things that makes it especially unhealthy compared to other fetishes is that it's possible to approach it by a technicality (feminine and / or body-modified men), that it's pervasive and established, and that it's subverting gender roles which are fundamental to society.
+But yeah, these things aren't even worthy of speculation, it's a void man wasn't supposed to gaze into. You're right, in a way, but to me, the best argument against the conclusions of that dark path are the contrast with its origin. It's like contrasting party drugs with meth addiction, the latter is insane excess which contradicts itself unless you're a brainfried meth addict
+--- 21988524
+>>21988479
+>feminizing a twink
+That's like the most boring thing on your list, better fetishes include
+>feminizing and bimbofying FtMs
+>outright transforming unfeminine men into women
+>turning twinks into drones, objects, or brainless animals
+--- 21988529
+>>21988498
+The Wraethtu Trilogy
+--- 21988696
+>>21985789
+/thread. sick of these people.
+--- 21989031
+>>21988529
+Those are all men, dumbass.

lit/21981511.txt

@@ -42,3 +42,167 @@ What is PKD's metaphysical framework?
 --- 21984842
 Here's a cool interview with PKD from 1979
 https://youtu.be/vXqHJYz8NXo [Embed]
+--- 21984967
+>>21981535
+When reading Valis I said to myself 'this is what schizophrenia really feels like' . I have to admit I could relate with most of book. A Chinese finger trap.
+--- 21985044
+>>21981511 (OP)
+His best novel is clearly Scanner Darkly. It's so far and ahead of anything else he wrote in terms of prose and emotional intensity, it stands out like a shining beacon.
+
+>>21981535
+>He drove himself crazy with drugs in the early 70s and it destroyed his ability to write
+This board has the worst possible opinions on PKD, I swear. Dick became a markedly different and better writer in the 1970s, truly deserving of his cult status. The lumpen maladroit prose of schlock like The Man in High Castle is a different world from the supple doom-shaded vernacular of Scanner Darkly.
+
+>>21981802
+>What should I read of his next?
+Three Stigmata and Scanner Darkly.
+--- 21985064
+>>21984816
+meth and lsd
+--- 21985065
+>>21981802
+>reccomending High Castle, a legitimately unreadable slog, for a first timer
+>recommending UBIK and Three Stigmata for a first timer
+>Dr Bloodmoney is a "classic" now
+Jesus Christ who made this slop
+--- 21985080
+>>21985064
+From what I remember reading he didn't do very much acid, at least by his own admission.
+--- 21985091
+>>21984816
+>DUDE WHAT IF REALITY BUT TOO MUCH
+>EVERYONE IS HYLIC BUT ME
+>SMALL BRUNETTES 20 YEARS YOUNGER THAN ME 
+>HECKIN ROMAN EMPIRE NAZIS MAN
+
+1970s California Gnosticism
+--- 21985116
+>>21981511 (OP)
+Nope. It's bad. Everything after Scanner is. Sorry.
+--- 21985157
+i love how spielberg cleaned up minority report but pkd gets the credit for it not being shlock
+--- 21985211
+>>21985065
+I really liked High castle. Or at least I liked some parts of it. Juliana’s perspective made me want to make a thread complaining about it
+--- 21985280
+>>21985211
+I have no problem with people liking it, but for my money it's easily PKD's worst "big" novel.
+--- 21985295
+>>21981511 (OP)
+>This is his best novel.
+It is so funny to hear you say that, because this was the book that made me write off the meth head forever. What a bumbling retard. To think American scifi proudly claims him as one of their best.
+--- 21985413
+PKD was a literal schizo! Too much gamma wave activity in his brain! Sad!
+--- 21985703
+>>21981511 (OP)
+I've only read Ubik.
+What should I read next?
+Three stigmata?
+--- 21985717
+>>21985703
+Read his short stories (Eye of Sybil collection is good), then Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, then Three Stigmata, and then you can comfortably move on to his 1970s stuff.
+--- 21985747
+>>21985065
+Most pretentious and incorrect post on /lit/ right now
+--- 21985849
+>>21985717
+Good plan. Thanks.
+--- 21985901
+I liked confessions of a crap artist. Through a scanner darkly is probably his most memorable work.
+--- 21985906
+>>21985747
+lol did you make that awful chart? 
+>telling people to start with either PKDs two most outwardly psychedelic and obtuse-on-purpose novels or with a clumsly slog the author himself considered inferior, which is massively overrated just because of it's setting
+>no mention of his early novels or literary fiction he wrote 
+>no mention of short stories, which are his most acessible works 
+>Bloodmoney, another clumsy slog which PKD himself considered so inferior he later edited down to a simple and effective short story, is now a "classic"
+This is the worst possible progression through PKD's works you can possibly assemble for a beginner, and will actively turn people away from his writing.
+--- 21985931
+His short stories are amazing (some are meh). I've read them all before moving onto novels, and was baffled by low quality / high popularity of The Man in High Castle. It's below average compared to all short stories (not even excluding the bad ones). But due to the "muh Nazi bad" effect it somehow managed to achieve the status of PKD's best. 
+I completely agree with >>21985280. Man in high Castle doesn't deserve the renown it has. It's only popular because it won some award at the time when people were triggered by the names of Goebbels and Goerring. 
+
+>>21985849
+Vol. 5 is great, but it's different from his earlier works. I'd also recommend Vol. 4, or any "best of" collection if you don't want to deal with the bad stuff. 
+
+>>21985157
+Minority Report isn't amazing, some of it does resemble shlock - dialogue could've been better. But the story is good and it was easier to build on top of it rather than come up with the idea in the first place.
+--- 21985940
+>>21985906
+No, I didn't you stupid faggot. I started with those and enjoyed them all greatly. You just got filtered.
+--- 21985942
+>>21981512
+>>21981518
+Wtf i love being insane now. 
+No seriously, it's one of the most beautiful depictions of a spiritual experience in the 20th century. Though usually it just filters between those who had one acid trip and those who didn't.
+--- 21985969
+>>21985906
+>bloodmoney story
+That's the one about the rat traps peddler and how his horse was eaten by post-apocalypse nuclear-mutant niggers? A Terran Odyssey. Not great, but readable. I appreciate it more for serving as a preview into what I have avoided - basically I have glimpsed into the novel, but didn't have to suffer through it.
+--- 21985999
+>>21985969
+> A Terran Odyssey
+Yes.
+>Not great, but readable
+>I have glimpsed into the novel, but didn't have to suffer through it
+Now imagine some hooplehead unironically listing that objectively weak novel as a PKD "classic". It's unseemly. This is the first time I've ever seen anyone do it, and it's just baffling.
+--- 21986070
+>>21985999
+yeah, the chart is retarded. I hate how all PKD recommendations are novels, some subpar, some questionable. Most of his novels are probably just bad and an obvious waste of time, with only about 5-6 good ones that people agree on.
+Meanwhile the short stories are mostly ignored, even though volume 1 open with a beatiful "Beyond lies the Wub".
+Man in High Castle seemed like it could've been developed from a short story about the shop owner and counterfiet artisans, and the rest was stapled on top of it. That's the only arc I cared about, but it got buried and left unfinished. 
+Likewise, I loved Novelty Act story, but it got later incorporated into Simulacra, resulting in a mediocre poorly connected novel. With how many ideas PKD had, I wonder how often he had to choose what to develop into a larger piece and what to leave as a brief story.
+--- 21986089
+>>21986070
+>Russian translations
+Cmon bro, that's straight-up cheating. Even PKDs extremely uneven and clunky pre-1970s prose will rise to new heights when translated into Russian. Although that largely depends on the individual translator desu
+--- 21986119
+>have never taken recreational drugs
+>am not schizo
+>am not mentally ill
+>am not American
+>am not religious
+>still enjoyed the book
+Wow how did I manage that
+--- 21986122
+>>21986089
+Haven't read a translation yet lol. With Sheep I wen't straight to the original. But Man in High Castle bored me so much that I started comparing translations to finish it faster (english is about 40% slower than reading ukr/rus text). But ultimately decided to keep trudging through the original for the authentic flavor.
+Honestly, I don't think I'll ever read any of those 100 translations lol. Good collection to share, though
+--- 21987116
+>>21986119
+--- 21987122
+>>21984816
+Lsd, uppers, Asiimov and Jesus
+--- 21987167
+>>21985044
+Haven't read SD yet, I'll start that one up tonight. I'm hyped so if you let me down I'm going to steal your credit card info
+
+>>21985931
+The one that was baffling to me was his Exegesis, I read that before Valis. Don't know why people have been hyping it up so much online, though I think it's for the same reason people hype up the Voynich manuscript as something that it isn't. The story behind the Exegesis is more interesting than anything in it.
+--- 21987172
+>>21985295
+
+>It is so funny to hear you say that, because this was the book that made me write off the meth head forever. What a bumbling retard. To think American scifi proudly claims him as one of their best.
+--- 21987274
+>>21985413
+It’s theta waves which are more linked by researchers to reported states of mystical experiences or even accounts of ESP, not quite just the gamma waves, it seems.
+--- 21987323
+>>21981802
+Here to say this chart is underrated, I don’t see it as particularly bad and don’t know why there’s so much fuss against it. TMITHC (High Castle) is also very aggressively disliked for some reason, but I guess it’s a case of “de gustibus non est disputandum.” I also remember rather enjoying Dr. Bloodmoney, too, but it might be because I’m such a big Dickhead (PKD-head?) I find even a “bad” novel of PKD’s more compelling and with more interesting ideas and scenarios in it than even the average “good” novel today.
+
+Other favorites which don’t get mentioned as much are Martian Time-Slip, Time Out of Joint, The Game-Players of Titan, and The Penultimate Truth. No one quite straddles the line between, “Wow, what a pulpy title, concept, and book-cover this is,” and, “Wow, this is eerily beautiful and thought-provoking” like PKD does for me imo.
+--- 21987697
+>>21985717
+>>21985931
+>>21986070
+Interesting that his short stories do not rate well according SF polls and other metrics.
+
+http://www.sfadb.com/TopShortStories
+http://www.locusmag.com/2012/CompleteResultsShf.html#20thss
+
+Readers seem to favor Harlan Ellison, Arthur C Clarke, and Ursula Le Guin as short story writers.
+--- 21988745
+>>21987697
+"Readers" are subhuman midwits. 
+>>21987323
+> TMITHC (High Castle) is also very aggressively disliked for some reason
+Because it's straight-up bad, which PKD himself readily admitted later in life.

lit/21981611.txt

@@ -66,3 +66,29 @@ I brushed it off as them being super-humans in terms of their intellectual capac
 --- 21984940
 >>21981611 (OP)
 there used to be a scfi and fantasy general here on /lit/ . I cant seem to find it anymore.
+--- 21985784
+>>21984255
+I love this pasta but a lot of what it says is actually true. People like Children of Dune and God Emperor because it is far more plot heavy than the rest of the books.
+--- 21985994
+>>21984328
+calm down retard. It's not about the "completion of the story", each book can be judged separately. If getting to the compeletion requires me to suffer through unreadable shlock then I'd rather not. I'm not dropping enough bad books as it is, no reason to waste time on another one.
+>>21984940
+it's down for the moment, but keep in mind that all posters there amount to approximately 4.03 people. The 0.03 is the one who posts Reverend Insanity
+--- 21986174
+>>21984197
+someday I'll muster enough courage to attempt reading Messiah again
+--- 21986220
+>>21984328
+All of the themes and major conflicts of the book are resolved in a way that defeats the need for a sequel. Paul discovers his destiny ---> Paul tries to influence to avoid the Jihad ---> Paul realizes that all paths lead to the Jihad, and even his struggle against it lead to it happening. It works great as a self-contained story. Learning about what happens to the Emperor, or Irulan and Paul, doesn't really matter because we know the Jihad will happen.
+--- 21986758
+>>21986174
+Good chart. I may read Hunters and Sandworms of dune to at least get the base points of the story that Herbert had in mind when n his outline.
+--- 21986760
+>>21986220
+Messiah is required. No it isn’t self contained. You NEED messiah to understand Paula entire story. The end of Dune 1 is just the beginning.. you miss the most relevant part of his character by skipping Messiah
+--- 21986805
+>>21981611 (OP)
+I agree that Frank Herbert was not the best writer. However, his story has stumbled upon some interesting ideas, and I think Herbert used them as a means to test his understanding of those ideas and also to share them with others. I would recommend you read 'The Sexual Cycle of Human Warfare'. It is out of print, but you can find a scan online. Also, the ideas of Giorgio Agamben in 'Homo Sacer' might also be interesting, even though it is not directly connected to Dune. For my own understanding, it seems that Dune is an examination of the organism that Thomas Hobbes referred to as 'Leviathan', with a focus on more than just the politics, but an actual consideration of it as a creature that evolves.
+--- 21988275
+>>21986220
+This is how I felt. I liked the feeling of the impending doom at the end of the book. It didn't seem necessary to read about the doom. That's not to say there's no reason to have written or to read any sequels, but the first book does feel self-contained.

lit/21981810.txt

@@ -146,3 +146,67 @@ Kek, the funny thing is you think you have a point. Post another picture.
 --- 21984530
 >>21984509
 NTA but clearly you need to work on your reading comprehension and give that book to your parents.
+--- 21985640
+buried giant i barely crawled through to finish. everything else i tried from him made me ragequit. he writes like he's full of himself
+--- 21986056
+i tried reading artist of the floating world and i found it to be obnoxious. it was about an artistic sensei who everyone wants to jerk off and he's oblivious as to why bc he feels he's just a normal guy. i didn't finish because why would i do that
+--- 21986245
+>>21984316
+you got mogged, just let it go
+--- 21986720
+>>21986245
+>seethes so hard he posts a picture
+>other anon made a better pun about the title
+>starts projecting "you're crying" over and over
+>gets called a retard in various creative ways
+>starts sperging hype about the Nobel Prize and seething nonsequitor about the NYT
+>actually reads bullshit list he posted and gives excerpts (kek)
+>uh, anon--the NYT like Oe too...what are you trying to prove?
+>I WIN BECAUSE YOU LIKE ISHIGURO!
+The Remains of the Day was great and a lot better than award bait like "my retard son taught me about life"--what a stunning hot take.
+
+Why can't you just be a happy retard like Hikari? We know you've never had a girlfriend so there's no one to force you to watch Keira Knightley, anon. Just chill.
+--- 21986868
+>>21986720
+you got confused again, I'm not the anon who mogged you. 
+I'll watch the whole Keira Knightley, and will keep watching Keira Knightley and nothing else but Keira Knightley until the end of times.
+Keep posting Changs, I like them
+--- 21986892
+>>21981810 (OP)
+I enjoyed Klara and The Sun a lot
+--- 21987031
+The movie sucked and didn't get the tone or the themes of the book right at all. The book was melancholy and creepy and hit all those respective bits in my brain just right, which the film totally failed to do. The film was totally tonally incorrect and left out everything that made the book creepy and unsettling. They left out the entire subplot about the cassette too. I read it on the heels of Solaris by Stanisław Lem and it was the perfect one-two of quick, 200-odd page melancholic books, in my opinion. Yeah, it was good.
+--- 21987319
+>>21986868
+>I'm not the anon who mogged you.
+By seething so hard he took a picture and started sperging about the NYT? Kek.
+>I'll watch the whole Keira Knightley, and will keep watching Keira Knightley and nothing else but Keira Knightley until the end of times.
+>Keep posting Changs, I like them
+At least you're better at trolling than he was.
+--- 21987342
+>>21984264
+Nta. I'm impressed with your comeback, anon.
+--- 21987345
+>>21987319
+>you're better
+best praise I've got over the last 10 years.
+I feel like we could be friends, if you post another chang
+--- 21987411
+>>21987345
+Only if anon posts another collection of award winning 'disappointed father finds silver lining in raising a retard' books (complete with a post-stamp to prove he isn't seething). It's ok if they were mentioned by the NYT.
+--- 21987418
+>Are all his books boring as shit?
+
+Yeah but they're also masterpieces
+--- 21987463
+Ishiguro writes books for “men” who cried during broke back mountain
+--- 21988521
+>>21981810 (OP)
+The movie was beter
+--- 21988649
+>>21984185
+This has to be bait. You're a pseud if you think The Unconsoled is his best work. It's a boring slog. Its unique prose doesn't make it a good book.
+--- 21988698
+>>21988649
+>Filtered by The Unconsoled
+Kek. SHIGGITYDIGGITY

lit/21982103.txt

@@ -113,3 +113,82 @@ bump
 >These people should really stop raping me in the ass. Here are 52 reasons why. 
 >Umm, excuse me sweetie, but did you consider the dignity and worth of those people who are fucking you in the ass? How many people before you have also been fucked in the ass and made the same arguments?
 Yeah. Not obnoxious at all. Can't find any problem with that kind of relativist tripe.
+--- 21985405
+>>21983879
+If you wrote a novel about rape, and all your 52 rapist characters in the novel were the same one-note ignorant prick, a raging asshole, then yes, it would be a worse off novel. You have lost because you seem to want to think this is a political debate, but its not its a debate about the effectiveness of a fiction novel.
+--- 21985443
+tolstoy agrees
+>The political is not compatible with the artistic, because the former, in order to prove, has to be one-sided.
+
+schopenhauer agrees
+>No view of the world that has arisen from an objective, intuitive apprehension of things and has been consistently executed can be completely false, but instead is at worst only one-sided, so e.g. total materialism, absolute idealism and many others. All of them are true, but they are so simultaneously, thus their truth is only relative. For each such apprehension is true only from a certain standpoint, just as a picture portrays the landscape from only one point of view. If one were to elevate oneself beyond the standpoint of such a system, however, one would then recognize the relativity of its truth, i.e., its one-sidedness. Only the highest standpoint that surveys and takes everything into consideration can provide absolute truth. – Accordingly therefore it is true, for instance, that I can regard myself as a mere temporal product of nature that has come into being and is destined for total destruction – as perhaps in the manner of Ecclesiastes. But it is true at the same time that I am everything that ever was and will be, and outside me there is nothing. Likewise it is true when I, in the manner of Anacreon, place the highest happiness in the enjoyment of the present, but it is true at the same time when I recognize the wholesomeness of suffering and the nullifying, indeed pernicious nature of all pleasure and conceive of death as the goal of my existence.
+
+>All this has its basis in the fact that each view that can be logically carried out is only a fixed, intuitive and objective apprehension of nature that is translated into concepts, while nature, i.e., the intuitive, never lies nor contradicts itself, because its essence excludes any such thing. Therefore wherever there are contradiction and lies, there too are thoughts that have not arisen from objective apprehension – e.g. in optimism. On the other hand an objective apprehension can be incomplete and one-sided, in which case it requires a supplement, not a refutation.
+--- 21985565
+>>21985405
+It's a worse off novel for entertainment. Not every novel is for entertainment or appreciation of the art.
+If you're trying to sound the alarm on a particular issue, it only comes off as whinging and effete if you're saying, "oh but those dictators have feelings too!" The fact is that not every human has worth or dignity. True evil exists, whether you're comfortable with that or not.
+--- 21985605
+I enjoyed The Grapes of Wrath but I guess I felt like its ideas never really developed. The point that "these poor people are suffering but find strength through each-other" is made pretty well quite early on but the rest of the book is just hammering that home time and time again with changes in scenery but not much additional substance.
+--- 21985732
+>>21985565
+>True evil
+
+Morality is the value judgment of the people in power in a particular milieu, either in a positive or negative direction.
+
+Morality in any given milieu without fail shifts in accordance with shifts in power.
+
+Therefore true evil cannot exist as the idea of morality itself is inseparably bound to the obviously everchanging relations of power such judgments are made in. Something which is downstream from a dynamic factor by its nature cannot be absolute.
+--- 21985740
+>>21982103 (OP)
+>Is Steinbeck a hack?
+How did it take you this long to realize that?
+--- 21985745
+>>21982789
+This, Grapes of Wrath is a midwit propaganda piece that lectures you and beats you over the head with Steinbecks point with essentially cartoon characters. 
+You might find the story and writing engaging, but it has the depth of a Stephen Colbert monologue
+--- 21985746
+>>21982103 (OP)
+yeah i dont give a fuck what the opposite side says. their argument is retarded and should be made fun of wholly.
+--- 21985769
+>>21985746
+You sound like a stupid pig. Either way grapes of wrath is boring highschool required reading and I imagine there are some faggy psuedo intellectuals in highschool who “literally me” over it because it makes them feel “manly” and they can totally relate to the okies struggles because their parents made them get a wagie job and it kinda sucks.
+--- 21985778
+>>21982916
+>There is no room in a story of despair and oppression for the justification for the oppression from those that oppress, and demanding a fairer portrayal of those doing the oppressing isn’t the story he was trying to tell, or the viewpoint of the characters being oppressed.
+Yes there is
+Actions have justifications. Just blanket "they're evil lol" is retarded
+Before you say anything, I'm an unironic leftist
+--- 21985839
+>>21985769
+i dont give a fuck what the opposite side says (you), so i will proceed to point and laugh at you.
+--- 21985844
+>>21985732
+Too much of morality is common across unrelated cultures to posit that it's the product of value judgements of those in power, that every part of it is dynamic. Murder, adultery, theft. Society does not function at all without these things being considered evil. Certain details, like how many wives you can have, or how old they must be, do vary, but the idea of a wife is always there.
+
+If evil only ever befalls other people, and not yourself, then I imagine it's very easy to say, "oh, there are always two sides! 15 minutes for instigating!" The alternative might bum you out or put some sort of onus on you.
+--- 21985846
+>>21982346
+ladies and gentlemen I present to you /lit/, a truly magical place
+--- 21985848
+>>21985732
+people go tens of thousands of dollars into debt to talk like this
+--- 21985882
+>>21985844
+Think of morality like law, that is to say, as an extension and enforcement of the ruling group's political will. Murder, adultery, and theft are only thought to be universally bad in the sense that condoning those things in a general sense would be to the detriment of the interests of those in power, but evidently, there are cases of murder, adultery, and theft which are thought to be not only morally grey, but occasionally morally justified (in a particular context) when they align with the values and interests of the ruling group of a particular milieu. Not to mention that those who define law and morality and those who are subject to morality and law are two different groups which rarely, if ever intersect.
+--- 21986476
+>>21985746
+yeah fine we're just saying your novel will be shit. I don't give a fuck about your trite political takes if you can't package it correctly
+--- 21987344
+>>21985565
+>It's a worse off novel for entertainment. Not every novel is for entertainment or appreciation of the art.
+>the novel
+>an artistic medium
+>is not necessarily made for the appreciation of the art
+Lost me there. This sounds like what a guy who writes shitty books tells himself whenever he gets a rejection letter. Even pretentious books with purple prose that try and shit on mainstream sentiments is made with the intention of being appreciated artistically
+--- 21987613
+>>21982103 (OP)
+>every novel should have le gray characters or it's le bad!
+>le misunderstood villain!
+>you have to be le empathic with bad people!
+Holy reddit. Holy satanic tranny reversal. No wonder this faggot wrote a novel from the monster's pov. Fuck that postmodern shit. Give me classic heroes and villains.

lit/21982120.txt

@@ -151,3 +151,208 @@ long after im gone she'll look up and see it there
 when im buried under flowers and tears 
 when my bones have become dust and light
 wherever she goes my heart will follow
+--- 21985391
+I poured the tearing Torah in cubes 
+And strapped the cubes upon the curly head,
+The beauty's like a flora's diaspora 
+Despite the people wanting us so dead.
+--- 21985556
+princes, Fasci &
+kings in northern Greece, their
+pistols torn Fast from
+kissed Girls, Porn-Stars from the nor-
+thern end of the beach
+
+driving his Truck the Fasco
+dry from the wet, Grecian rain took
+the Girls in Trucks
+their curling, wet, Grecian
+hair & Gloves around
+pistols, they Fucked
+his gang of Fasci, Fascio
+
+invoking Evocations
+the Mage-King's Invocation, Bleistein
+evoked his Evocation of
+kabbalah, invoking Golem,
+cabbalist Gloved
+
+lighting Cigarillo with
+lightning-Symbol of Schutzstaffel
+S S the Boys slung Guns &
+guessed, Drunk the Girls' Secrets as the
+radio Played White Noise, Waffles
+toasted by Girls with Guns
+roasting
+fine Meats to put on Buns with
+wine for
+the Drunkards
+
+the Boys left for Rome while
+the Girls' card-playing
+made them feel at Home;
+spades in Hand, Peasants whiling
+along Country Roads leading up to
+the City of Rome as
+the Fasci played Guitars,
+strumming
+chords with Hands of Skill;
+bored, from Country Windows
+farm-Girls dreamt Carnalities
+harmed
+by the Fascist Peasant-Boys of
+various Nationalities
+
+in Rome the Lombard-Girl awaited
+her Roman Fasco, Tall & Fair
+with a Cigarillo in his
+Mouth
+the Roman Fasco's Skin was like White
+marble like the Skin of a Girl
+from Northern Lombardy with Lips
+Crimson & Baby-Soft, his Hound
+barking Epileptically, bound
+by a Leash amidst Rain as a
+radio Played,
+trucks Screeching through
+the Rain
+as Teenage Fasci,
+parking their Fascist
+trucks with Rifles slung Fucked
+teenage Girls with Skin as White as
+marble, their Daggers
+ripping Clothes to reveal White
+alabaster
+
+speeding Across Croatian Soil,
+taking Drugs like
+speed, the Boys Listened
+to Crap Music on
+radios as they
+sped past the Bavarian Peasant-
+boys near the Bavarian Peasant-
+girls as the Suabian Coast
+came in to View
+
+& sailing across British Seas, Bleistein
+evoking Kabbalah as Synagogues
+erupted Holocausts of Flame,
+Fasci reaching London's Lodge
+burning to the Ground in Shame, Bleistein
+dragging Swords across Lodge's Foyer
+
+flying Far across the Sky as
+lightning Struck against Flame, turbanned
+jihadi With The
+lightning-Symbols
+of the Schutzstaffel
+descending For
+jihad, Striking
+bleistein as He
+descended From
+stairs, Evoking
+numerologies As
+fasci With
+lightning-Symbols & Swastikas
+descended upon Flame
+--- 21985781
+Down by the salley gardens
+ my love and I did meet;
+She passed the salley gardens
+ with little snow-white feet.
+She bid me take love easy,
+ as the leaves grow on the tree;
+But I, being young and foolish,
+ with her would not agree.
+
+In a field by the river
+ my love and I did stand,
+And on my leaning shoulder
+ she laid her snow-white hand.
+She bid me take life easy,
+ as the grass grows on the weirs;
+But I was young and foolish,
+ and now am full of tears.
+ 
+Can someone explain to me how the first line in the second stanza works so well? It's missing a beat. Is it because it has the expected syllables? I would not think so as we cannot usually distinguish syllable count anyways.
+--- 21985783
+There's drugs
+
+Have you ever felt young love? That shit takes me higher
+
+It's sexy, sexy as fuck
+
+We're laughing even at unfunny things
+
+Is it a slice of heaven?
+
+So call me in
+
+Call me again
+
+Young lover
+
+I'm yours
+
+To keep forever.
+
+That's what young love is...
+
+It's now or never.
+--- 21986297
+>>21982618
+I come bearing gifts. I found this diagram today in another paper called "Beyond Metrics Richard Cureton's Rhythmic Phrasing in English Verse". However, I couldn't find Cureton's book itself in PDF. If you have it, please do share. I think this diagram illustrates wonderfully the relationship between the rhythm and grammar of a line.
+--- 21986982
+This is the first poem I've written to completion since my school days - wrote it around Christmas. I was attempting to access something sub/unconscious, and I was also reading lots of T. S. Eliot who is an obvious influence on it. If it has any merit or is irredeemable garbage, please let me know. Cheers
+--- 21987756
+Looking for feedback on this sonnet. I'll read the thread and reply in a moment. I can't tell whether this is trite or clever.
+--- 21987944
+>>21985781
+Im not the best at Scansion but heres my rendering of the rhythm (1 most stress, 4 least):
+2_4__1_|_2_4_1_4
+in a field | by the river
+
+Note the 1_2 spondee foot in the middle. This, in a sense, forces you to insert a silent 'syllable.' which makes it look like trochaic tetrameter. This however disagrees with an apparent double anapest meter for the line. So there is an illusion of 2, 3, and 4 stressed syllables, all at once. Which is why it's fun to say out loud. I suspect you aren't looking into the meter and just counting the syllables. I say this because lines 1 and 3 have different meters ("Down by" is a trochee, while "she passed" is an iamb). There's nothing wrong with not concerning yourself over it, especially if you gut-check it over and over, but learning more about meter would probably help you get lines like this more intentionally in the future. As for content, its a cute poem, if simple. it's high energy and lively. Feels like something a leprechaun would sing as he skips through the town. Rilke suggests you avoid love poetry at first as it is "too facile and commonplace." And I am wont to agree, though I fall for the love poem trap too often myself. 
+
+>>21986297
+My interlibrary loan may have access to it. No promises though. Richard Cureton has published in the periodical Style published by Penn State, you may be interested. Picrel. 
+
+>>21984917
+imagine killing yourself over a girl. 
+
+>>21984836
+Its definitely interesting, i personally have no experience on the battlefield, but this sounds like a fantasy, perhaps propaganda. i like the thread of mud, but perhaps include a deeper vocabulary, made of clay, made of adams rib, covered in guck, planted in soil, so on so forth. love line 6 'pretending im a child pretending' I also think it could benefit from a more solemn tone, but no one will out to the waste land so maybe joviality is warranted here. 
+
+>>21983325
+i appreciate the interlinear rhyming, its decadant. its clear you have a command of rhyme. this is certainly one of the more complex poems ive read recently. It filtered me at first, so thanks for that humility check. Maybe carefully uncapitalize certain lines to better communicate the grammatical structure. you have absolutely stuffed it full of references, and i dont know many of them off the top of my head to be fair, perhaps the imagery could stand more on its own? but of course its fun to flex, and talk about nerd shit, so i get it. I really love that each stanza is its own thing, and the symmetry of beginning and ending with the poets words showing his change of character. its thick, weighty, and demands consideration. congratulations, i am sure this took great efforts.
+--- 21987955
+>>21987756
+I love this. Reading it makes me want to know you. Maybe that’s weird to say.
+--- 21988053
+>>21987944
+It is a Yeats poem. I did read for the meter. However, you seem to think there is a pause between field and by. I read it as two anapests, which is why I said it was missing a beat. I do not see how you get a spondee. Unless you are reading it as a 1234 rising rhythm. If it does have a pause, which I think might exist due to the syntactic unit, then I think that with add emphasis to by. I do not understand at all what you mean by illusion of 234 stressed syllables. Also, if you could put a PDF of it up on library genesis that would be amazing. Any examples and illustrations in your own plain language might be even better though. I think I read something similar to your picture. Perhaps in one of Derek Attridge's books. Can you recapitulate what that model shows? It obviously has to do with phrasing, but do these categories modulate the stresses?
+--- 21988148
+>>21988053
+'field by' is a spondee! no?? if you look at my scansion rendering again, I posit that the 2s can be perceived as stressed or unstressed depending on the approach to performance. but also, as naive as I probably seem to you by now, anapests are kinda 'long' feet as well, no?? 
+>Also, if you could put a PDF of it up on library genesis that would be amazing.
+if you mean the book, interlibrary loan can take up to 10 business days, and summer just started so it might take longer. plus I would have to scan it, which would take time as well. unless you mean the articles he submitted to Style, which I would be willing to upload to libgen for you, but if you could let me know which articles you want? and please don't say "all of them." 
+>I think I read something similar to your picture. Perhaps in one of Derek Attridge's books. Can you recapitulate what that model shows? It obviously has to do with phrasing, but do these categories modulate the stresses?
+Citation of picture: Cureton, Richard. "A Reading in Temporal Poetics: Wordsworth's "It Is a Beauteous Evening"." Style, vol. 54 no. 2, 2020, p. 207.
+the essay is a complex analysis of the poem mentioned in the title. The figure i posted is illustrating the "cyclical and centroidal motion" (207) of these lines. it compares the way that these lines rise up and fall forward in anticipational and extensional ways to affect the temporality and energy of the section of poem in question. Thats the best i can put it, it's hard filtering. Picrel is the surrounding pages. 
+
+Also, please look at my sonnet and give me your thoughts.
+--- 21988175
+>>21987944
+Thanks, it did take me a while to write, but for the most part I was just taking notes from Spenser, the Bible, Baudelaire, Dante, and Frater, with the form of the poem mostly taking influence from Spenser and Frater. Nothing revolutionary, just a pastiche poem.
+--- 21988183
+>>21988175
+its all pastiche these days isnt it?
+--- 21988277
+>>21988183
+It kind of always was
+--- 21988822
+Bakker makes me cream. Motherfucker reigns supreme. Ballin like Abdul Kareem. Goin ahead: Full steam. Bursting at the seam. So many chains: A-Team. Killing bitches like Idi Amin. Step away from this crime scene. 
+*mic drop*
+--- 21988989
+>>21987944
+Did you really consider this >>21984836 some sort of pro-war propoganda? I wrote it as a pisstake of the typical basement dwelling general, and the casual war mongering that circles the internet. I wrote it childishly because anyone with a brain knows otherwise

lit/21982184.txt

@@ -102,3 +102,109 @@ was it ever
 --- 21983967
 >>21982204
 And you're a pretentious loser lol
+--- 21985888
+It is highly influential in the academic/politic spheres, which influence society to an enormous degree. The right, for example, wouldn't be in this situation if there were more right-wing people taking humanities courses, choosing the academic path and becoming educators, now every other teacher (or more) is a marxist faggot.
+--- 21986028
+>>21985888
+if you believe that even one in ten highschool teachers can give a definition of communism beyond "when the government does things" let alone have cracked open das kapital you are genuinely retarded
+wasted trips
+--- 21986052
+Yes
+Contrary to technology, artistic endeavors survive long past their creation. Pottery, plays, writing, music, and many more creative outlets have existed for a while. Some of these mediums like song probably predate recorded history, yet they not only continue to exist they thrive as a civilization obtains higher quality of life. New mediums of creativity exist, but just because we don’t need to put things in jars anymore doesn’t stop people from making pottery or writing stories. Art is timeless
+--- 21986058
+>>21986052
+Oh man my .gif broke
+--- 21986060
+>>21982184 (OP)
+Not really. It can only hope to achieve widespread relevance if you have it adapted into a movie, TV show, video game, etc.
+--- 21986062
+>>21983967
+Are you going to cry?
+--- 21986077
+>>21982205
+>comic books dying in relevancy
+Only in the US.
+--- 21986098
+>>21986077
+Are Europoor comics doing well? I thought manga was eating everything.
+--- 21986233
+>>21986028
+By marxist faggot I don't mean someone who is well-versed in Marxism, necessarily. The average leftist NPC hold marxist ideals without ever reading Marx.
+--- 21986323
+>>21982184 (OP)
+>relevant
+>modern society
+lol who cares
+--- 21986514
+>>21982200
+>stand up comedian with an audience
+Take SSRIs and benzodiazepines, checking social media then going out to a stand up comedy.
+Schopenhauer was right. Happiness is overrated.
+--- 21987171
+>>21982356
+>>21983265
+In defense of videogames, the instances where we have seen a game made without an interest in entertainment are incredibly few. Videogames made for the sake of art has not really been tried in a relevant way. You can look up at stuff like Electronic Installation Art which arguably are just "video games" or stuff like Electroplankton where there isn't any narrative, objective, scoring, etc. i.e. you cant lose, win or "finish it", you just experience it.
+
+Videogames strength is in the way people interact with them, "gameplay". The moment someone creates such an experience that can only be portrayed through videogames and fully comprehended through gameplay, we will see them as more than just games.
+
+>>21986077
+>>21986098
+As someone who was executive assistant at a publishing startup, one of the things I learned is that overall the graphic novel/light novel/comic book mediums have always been very niche.
+
+People dont really buy it that much and never actually did. This applies to all regions. Japan being an exception in that it only exists because print quality is lower than newspaper and hence making a profit is actually possible. Ultimately you want your manga to be turned into a weekly anime and get money form publicity.
+--- 21987176
+Spurring fervor demures the urban murmur
+--- 21988142
+>>21982318
+>books for that demographic are literally just erotica murder mysteries
+It don't matter. They're the only ones who still give a shit about reading. Everyone else has tuned out. Do you see ANY other demographic giving a shit?
+--- 21988187
+>>21982184 (OP)
+Yes I'm gonna cry cause some faggot said some pseud shit
+--- 21988271
+>>21982184 (OP)
+If you consider copypasta and tweet formats literature, then yes
+--- 21988348
+>>21982204
+>video games bad
+>t. uncoordinated unstrategic retard
+Games are the epitome of strategic and critical thinking as well as coordination and reflexive skill. Video games allow a story to be told using said strategic and reflexive exercises through use of interaction as a story-telling element
+--- 21988407
+I should have made The Shitkickers a side-scrolling fighting game like Final Fight where you go around beating the living shit out of bike thieves in various Vancouver-based levels
+--- 21988484
+>>21988348
+Lol. It's fine if you waste time playing video games. I do too. But it's 99% trash and hardly worth conceding to the other 1%
+--- 21988637
+>>21988348
+Strategy and reflex, absolutely. Critical thinking is barely engaged in even the most sophisticated games, though. Basically just some experimental indie games and a handful of AAA games since the 80s.
+The potential artistic merit of video games is enormous, but that potential hasn't even begun to come to fruition in 2023.
+--- 21988654
+>>21988637
+>Critical thinking is barely engaged in even the most sophisticated games, though
+It's impossible to strategize against other humans without critical thinking
+--- 21988692
+>>21988654
+Very few gamers play games that reward strategy more than muscle memory, and those who do overwhelmingly abide by groupthink and metagaming, reactive rather than proactive. Sure, that's critical thinking, but then any piece of art with a hint of irony "requires critical thinking" to a similar degree.
+--- 21988695
+>>21988692
+>waaa people called me mean words because i played something off-meta
+--- 21988699
+>>21988695
+Kek I've never once cared about winning vidya, project harder. I just play games for fun like an adult.
+--- 21988703
+>>21982204
+--- 21988708
+>>21987171
+Im fine with people thinking games are retarded as long as they think movies are as well
+--- 21988827
+>>21982184 (OP)
+>relevant
+You might be surprised to find out that 'people of influence' (e.g. successful politicians) read way more than the average person.
+As far as relevance for, say, bullshit talk at a butchers shop or a youtube video essay, then literature is irrelevant.
+--- 21988842
+>>21982204
+Some old films and games are gold, and good music is mainly classical as you said and not all the ki*e, ar*b, gy*sy nig*er, mus*in crap.
+--- 21988853
+>>21988827
+> successful politicians
+You mean successful people in general / high-IQ persons tend to read more than the average petty bourgeois plebeian.

lit/21982232.txt

@@ -140,3 +140,77 @@ What a terrible pick, why wouldnt people have read Tolstoy?
 --- 21984626
 >>21982232 (OP)
 It would be books that various subcultures on this board use as decorations or accessories to define themselves and show their opinions
+--- 21985235
+>>21984621
+Has a connotation of being traditional (in the artistic sense) and so colorless to braindead e-snobs who prefer David Foster Wallace, pseudo-nazism, and Lolita. He is the greatest prose writer of all time however. Far greater than Proust (whom people love more and more because he lacks Tolstoy's elevated moralistic ideal and instead focuses on his own aesthetically rich but spiritually feeble narcissism)
+--- 21985251
+>>21982235
+I wanted to start reading bible just so I could read blood meridian some day
+--- 21985254
+>>21982252
+Nobody ever reads required reading past elementary school.
+--- 21985480
+>>21982252
+Like 90% of Russian kids skip over Tolstoy, War and Peace is unreadable. His later plays and short stories are nice though
+--- 21985502
+>>21984600
+female/negro detected, opinion invalidated. please go back to r/books
+--- 21985557
+>>21982244
+I’ve read AK like a lot of other anons and I really enjoyed it.
+--- 21985582
+>>21982244
+Anna Karenina is the boriest fucking novel ever written
+--- 21985813
+I've only played the first Mother game but something tells me Earthbound fans are pretentious as fuck in the same way Evangelion or Infinite Jest fans are
+--- 21985841
+>>21982232 (OP)
+Reading Nietzsche
+--- 21986097
+I do feel like nine times out of ten, there's little reason to actually read philosophy. You're going to have picked up anything useful through cultural osmosis anyway. What remains is pages upon pages of waffle. Prove me wrong.
+--- 21986288
+>>21982232 (OP)
+Huge The Bible fan excited to read it for first time
+--- 21986302
+>>21982232 (OP)
+I rarely read a book that I dislike.
+Sometimes I question myself, am I really that good at picking books to read or do I just read "safe" books that must people like so I don't question it.
+--- 21986327
+still got my OG copy from when i was 7. its already worth nearly a thousand, maybe by the time i retire i can sell it and finally own my own house
+--- 21986367
+>>21982232 (OP)
+Reading the Bhagavad Gita or any religious text just to read it is like playing Undertale’s normal route once and then never touching the game again: people will call you a faggot whoes missing the point, but then you see how them obsessing about it has turned them into jokes and you feel more sure you made the right decision then when you started.
+--- 21986377
+>>21986367
+I want to read some Hindu texts not because I believe in it, but because I find it interesting and I think there's some wisdom in it. Should I read the Upanishads? I was going to read the Vedas, but apparently that's just a collection of rituals and prayers and whatnot. I'm looking more for the philosophical / metaphysical / spiritual information. My fault for thinking it was just the Bible but Indian.
+--- 21986391
+>>21982240
+if we were on /tv/ I would agree 100%.
+--- 21986424
+>>21983717
+>As seen on tik tok 
+This is the best way to make me NOT buy a book
+--- 21986429
+>>21986367
+Did you just compare reading a holy scripture that is thousands of years old to playing Undertale?
+--- 21986447
+>>21984600
+>The culture is Gardner, pol-ragebait, and inceldom
+sounds pretty keyed
+--- 21986448
+>>21986429
+The Pope owns Undertale, so it checks out.
+--- 21986511
+>>21986377
+Read the Upanishads if you just want the philosophy, read the Epics if you want the closest thing to the Bible (in that there’s plot and philosophy mixed in). The Bhagavata Purana (find a scholarly translation and stay 1000000 meters away from ISKCON shit unless you like pages with 2 lines of the actual text and the rest being some bald grifter’s sermons to hippies) or the Ramayana are going to be your best introduction
+>>21986429
+Yeah
+--- 21987759
+>>21983735
+it is pulp trash. russians simply cannot learn humility
+--- 21987807
+>>21984164
+It's a reference book...? You're not supposed to read it from beginning to end.
+--- 21988617
+>>21987759
+you should learn to hang yourself quick

lit/21982418.txt

@@ -33,3 +33,21 @@ Lafcadio Hearn's writings on japan are a must read for any Touhou fan. He lived
 Looking for Eastern European or Asian rec
 --- 21984655
 >>21982418 (OP)
+--- 21985608
+>>21983195
+Name of the Rose
+--- 21985700
+>>21984011
+The Blah Story
+--- 21986773
+>>21985652
+The Cat Inside
+--- 21987239
+>>21984652
+You know, the painting genuinely scare me
+--- 21987804
+>>21987211
+Hassan Blassim's novels
+--- 21988463
+>>21985947
+Read the lyrics to the Deathspell Omega trilogy

lit/21982702.txt

@@ -199,3 +199,86 @@ This is one of few cases where the movie easily surpasses the book. It was a goo
 --- 21983957
 >>21982702 (OP)
 Because the self-actualization of the Aryan man is impossible until the yoke of judeo-capitalism is broken for once and all. This will take tremendous self-sacrifice to achieve.
+--- 21985511
+A student had already meditated for many years, and said to his teacher, I can't go on doing this anymore, it's all pointless. I practise and practise, one Koan after another and don't wake up. The teacher replied, Good, that seems convincing to me. But try again for three more days. If you can't manage it by then, you'd better kill yourself. On the second day the student was enlightened.
+--- 21986165
+>>21983869
+>the ending in heaven.
+He's in a psychward.
+--- 21986171
+>>21983083
+based
+--- 21986249
+>>21983342
+>>21983271
+It makes sense if you read Zarathustra.
+--- 21986264
+>>21982768
+Here you dropped your tampon
+--- 21986270
+>>21986165
+Lmao
+--- 21986279
+>>21983869
+The book has connotations that main character is a homosexual
+--- 21986280
+>>21983308
+>Toxic masculinity isn't about hurting women though
+It... don't?
+--- 21987168
+>>21986279
+example
+--- 21987290
+>>21986280
+It means "facets of the patriarchal masculine ideal that lead to harmful outcomes," broadly. Things men are expected to do that hurt themselves, make it harder for others to help them, and hurt others. Think powering through a work shift on a broken ankle and ending up needing major surgery instead of just a setting and cast, or refusing to try knitting because that's girly when you might find it satisfying and relaxing.
+--- 21987347
+>>21987168
+> Meets Tyler on a nude beach, spends pages admiring his physique, exchanges phone numbers
+> Keen interest in interior design/his apartment
+> Tyler (aka the manifestation of a mental breakdown) appears in his life after he is told by his father to meet a woman and get married
+> Tyler is the ideal version of himself, aka someone who can fuck a woman (Marla)
+> starts a secret man only society to “fight” (in the book this is largely done independent of Tyler)
+> Republican politicians try to shut down these “fight” clubs
+> Project mayhem is clearly a violent gay liberation movement
+> Author was in the closet at the time
+--- 21987372
+>>21987347
+ty
+--- 21987391
+>>21982755
+Nietzsche was a fag and deserved the agonizing fate he got
+--- 21987393
+>>21982768
+Actually it's repressed masculinity: the pendulum. If you don't idolize Durden on some level you're a slave.
+--- 21987407
+>>21982702 (OP)
+The author was under the misapprehension that men only improve themselves to impress other people. Of course the author is a literal cock sucking faggot so that checks out.
+--- 21987440
+>>21982890
+Tbh as I got older, I realised that women overall just have this nature in them to want to control things. The problem is, although they can get control very easily they more often than not aren't very responsible with it. Or they misuse it that it leads to destruction, most of the times without even meaning or intending to. Eg. Being accepting of things that are blatantly wrong to gain favor.
+
+It always starts in the homes, where they destroy the husband by making him a weaker (simp) version of himself just to survive her (remember that silly "happy wife happy life" motto that basically implies to give in to her every whim which then often backfires long term), or he ends up leaving. Then they have free reign to impose their nature onto their kids and control them in some way. Sometimes it's done covertly, through excess coddling which they claim is "love" but then destroys the kids long term as it leaves them unprepared. Or they impose their own traumas, neurosis, complaints about other people (like their father) onto the kids which they then start to identify with passively. Then the cycle continues where the daughters become like her by being controlling with future partners and kids, and the sons either become straight up incels or end up marry women like her who weakens them which stops them from protecting their kids as they should from her. Both sons/daughters thinking it's the normal way to be.
+
+Cont.
+--- 21987444
+>>21987440
+Cont.
+
+Seems to be the reason why a lot of issues in society stem from absentee father's or weak father's. I feel there really needs to be a balance of energies. Women need to be self aware of their nature and give up this controlling nature and men need to be strong enough to be able to HANDLE that nature so that it doesn't ruin their kids and protect them from it. You need to be the type who is strong enough as an individual that your woman submits to you to keep her own controlling nature in check. If you aren't that type, she will eventually walk over you AND resent you for it to boot. Why do you think even most succesful woman still wants a man of even higher status than them? Behind closed doors they want to feel safe and be able to relax or else they over compensate and try to control everything. Women HATE weak men despite what society tries to say.
+
+You really do need to be the leader in the relationship and she needs to be able to trust your judgement to lead her or else she will try to take over and eventually things won't work out. Follow the woman and it will only lead to suffering (sexless unappreciated marriage or divorce). And I'm sure deep down you've seen this situation so many times.
+
+Seems to be why women are the more neurotic, anxiety ridden types. It all stems from wanting to control things, or not being able to control things
+
+So the question is, what's the solution?
+--- 21987477
+>>21987444
+You're just describing insecure people anon, get over your misogyny. Everyone hates weak men, everyone imparts their neuroses on their kids.
+I'm only being dismissive because of how incredibly lazy and common this take is, and how straightforwardly it always plays out for people who embrace it. It is an obvious psyop, as much as mainstream feminism, and just like mainstream feminism, it tricks its adherents into feeling special for not challenging themselves to understand others. If you're mad at this interpretation, or think I'm somehow coping by expressing sincerity, please keep your seething to yourself.
+--- 21987484
+>>21982723
+>self destruction is eternal potential
+until you're dead
+--- 21988543
+>>21987484
+everyone will end up dead no matter what

lit/21982792.txt

@@ -54,3 +54,89 @@ For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever belie
 >>21982819
 Matthew 7:12
 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
+--- 21985560
+>>21982965
+They don’t like church 
+
+>>21984215
+I’m glad my mother died
+--- 21985721
+>>21984613
+What book rhymes with tribal?
+--- 21985752
+>>21984233
+The Babylonian Talmud
+Leviathan
+Das Kapital
+Utopia
+Epic of Gilgamesh
+--- 21985762
+>>21982965
+they read genesis + exodus and then get hard filtered by leviticus/numbers and never get to the rest of the good stuff
+--- 21985817
+>>21982819
+Proddie detected
+--- 21985861
+What's that book about the explicitly evil god who managed to convince millions of people he was an authority on objective morality just by claiming only the pure of heart can see the emperor's clothes?
+--- 21985983
+>>21985752
+And the Bible
+--- 21986414
+>>21985861
+Easy answer: Bible and Quran
+Hard Answer: Ramayana and Homer’s works
+--- 21987120
+Can the beaming be tamed? can the teeming be stayed...these are the questions which one asks the river that flows, everyday.
+--- 21987447
+>>21982965
+>>21984215
+>>21984233
+>>21984560
+>>21984562
+>>21985861
+AHAHAHHAHAHAHAH LMAO, GOOD JOB OWNING THE CRISTHKEKS FEELOW REDDITORS, GOTTEM LMAO
+--- 21987532
+I feel that Job's family and his servants' deaths were used as plot devices, and that the value of their lives were glossed over, despite none of them displaying outwardly wicked behavior. I am a Christian, but have been grappling with this for a few days.
+--- 21987694
+>>21987532
+did you know Job is the oldest known prose writing in the world
+--- 21987777
+>>21984669
+Unironically study NDEs and realize that there actually is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die. So belief is irrelevant.
+
+>b-b-but NDEs are dreams or hallucinations somehow
+Already explicitly refuted in the literature you likely have not read on NDEs.
+
+Here is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:
+
+https://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o [Embed]
+
+It emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out:
+
+https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist 
+
+>"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, "An afterlife definitely exists"."
+
+Since NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison.
+
+Or as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE:
+
+>"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved."
+
+Needless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs.
+--- 21987784
+>>21987777
+>bro the Fibonacci sequence appearing in broccoli PROVES that Pythagoras was onto something!
+--- 21988638
+Bump
+--- 21988653
+>>21987777
+>Here is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:
+>youtube video
+
+god you freaks are embarrassing
+--- 21988704
+>>21987447
+--- 21988725
+>>21987777
+red herring

lit/21983040.txt

@@ -44,3 +44,371 @@ Of course. We as humans already love "handcrafted" shit as compared to anything
 Really, are TikToker that insecure?? 
 
 If so, she's based in my book.
+--- 21984971
+>>21984760
+Yeah the women on tiktok hate this chick so much for being pretty. A lot of comments like this >>21984736 which she will reply to with another video in normal clothes still getting lots of looks. Funny because there is a man who does similar video walking around in a suit and nobody says anything mean to him. 
+I like watching her videos and seeing the reaction of all the ugly beat down fat women she mercilessly mogs.
+--- 21985027
+hopefully by 2025 no one will write for the purpose of entertainment anymore all the slop on netflix etc. will be AI-generated
+at that point only those with something to say will write, those who need writing as a medium to channel and refine their thoughts and emotions
+regarding >>21984743
+people who want ""handcrafted" shit" should be put down
+--- 21985038
+>>21984736
+>>RW retards: WOAW SO MUCH BEAUTY WE MUST RETVRN
+Nobody said this
+--- 21985043
+>>21984971
+Well you know how it is. Women oppress women the most. We live in a matriarchy after all
+--- 21985048
+>>21985038
+Literally every BAPtard has said this
+--- 21985049
+>>21985027
+>at that point only those with something to say will write
+I guess you won't be writing anything. Also stop pretending that AI is going to outpass humans. What are you, a scifi autist?
+--- 21985055
+>>21985048
+Nobody said this. You are just weirdly jealous like that anon says.
+--- 21985075
+>>21983040 (OP)
+The "AI" we have now cannot write a book without human input 
+Once real artificial intelligence emerges however its probably over in more ways than one
+--- 21985076
+>>21984971
+It's bad. Women should praise elegance. Dojacat, Nicki Minaj, Britney Spears... women who's raunchy gets praise....
+
+I don't get this.
+--- 21985082
+>>21985076
+>I don't get this
+It's just American nigger worship, simple as
+--- 21985087
+>>21985049
+think of most great works of philosophy, many of the great works of literature, they were written and are great today because the people who wrote them felt compelled to develop and share their ideas
+nietzsche wouldn't have written anything if his goal was to get people to watch a show on netflix, but most things today are written almost exclusively to create that type of engagement
+once AI does what effectivly amounts to background noise those who want can focus on living true
+--- 21985090
+>>21984486
+
+Because she wore a hat?
+--- 21985093
+>>21985090
+even with the hat i would still have sex with her if you know what i mean
+--- 21985099
+>>21984971
+
+She's beautiful but there are women this beautiful everywhere. If they would all dress like this society would be a better place and men would work harder, great books would be written.
+--- 21985100
+>>21985055
+If "nobody said this", why is this video here? How would OP know about it to use it as bait?
+--- 21985101
+>>21985093
+
+I would buy the hat and sniff it when I think about how I can't have sex with her.
+--- 21985485
+>>21985090
+Not him, but the hat is doing most of the work. Notice most male eye lines are going to her head. The bit I find funny is some women are clearly not jelly because they've worked out her shoes don't fit. 
+While this isn't the most extreme manifestation of it, part of what makes females attractive is displaying the amount of effort, inconvenience, and pain they are willing to go through for appearance sake. 
+I can't tell from the back but it looks like in general she's also using obliviousness, which is another attractive female trait. Part of what makes women seem mysterious and therefore attractive is both lack of interest and lack of awareness. Being overdressed is a minor part of this, but even if she's smiling at everyone who looks at her as she does from the front, her head is not inclined in their direction like theirs incline in hers to maintain visual contact. For most people, if you reacted in kind to each look in your direction, the same walk seems paranoid, but by acting oblivious to others noticing your presence it emphasises her ability to ignore shit going on around her, just like ignoring fashion does.
+--- 21985493
+>>21984500
+>I'm 35 years old WTF is going on.
+Bros we're all gonna MAKE IT
+--- 21985530
+>>21985485
+
+That's quite an astute observation, I couldn't argue with you.
+--- 21985537
+>>21983040 (OP)
+>Everyone walking around in jackets
+>woman walks around in slutty little dress 
+Woah! Look at all the attention she’s getting
+--- 21985672
+>>21983040 (OP)
+No one will be relevant for anything.
+
+>>21983800
+Women are massive perverts who are extremely addicted to themselves.
+They are the absolute epitome of the deadly sin of Pride.
+
+>>21985082
+Americans are actively disgusted by this. The (((media))) desperately wants them not to be.
+
+>>21985537
+This.
+--- 21986025
+>>21983040 (OP)
+Shouldn't this be on /fa/? I just assumed the point was to show how your style contributes a large part to how you're perceived.
+--- 21986577
+>>21985537
+>slutty
+What's slutty about it? Her skirt goes past the knees, the neckline doesn't show any cleavag. Pic rel is a slutty dress
+--- 21986609
+>>21984703
+>tfw 80 years ago all women looked and dressed like her
+>tfw beauty is now a scarcity
+--- 21986656
+>>21986609
+I can't believe this was lost
+--- 21986699
+>>21983040 (OP)
+Bunch of prudish incels itt.
+--- 21986707
+>>21986609
+Honestly modern women are way hotter thicker with nice assess and way better fashion and makeup
+--- 21986712
+>relevant
+what a sick dr thomas murray themed thread, OP
+--- 21986775
+>>21986707
+Here's your better fashion and makeup, bro.
+--- 21986785
+>>21986707
+elegance and subtlety is much more attractive than vulgarity
+--- 21986794
+>>21986775
+I have seen this in person hundreds of times and is why I’m happier reading at home.
+--- 21986798
+>>21986577
+Not him, but that dress is cut above the knee, and it's designed to emphasise waist to hip ratio, and its neckline is designed to hint at lingerie (she can't wear a standard strapped bra with it, and the trim at the bust is to suggest lingerie appearing from beneath). There is a reason the guy in the suit looks at her like he's familiar with her hourly rate because it's sexy with the plausible deniability of being a hooker if in a high class establishment. 
+The same idea of you can't wear a normal bra with that applies to your pic, but OP's video would not be asked to leave the hotel lobby or restaurant as a dress code violation.
+--- 21986801
+>>21986794
+You think you have it bad?! I live in Nebraska and there are no women around
+--- 21986822
+>>21986794
+
+She can actually be pretty funny and a good friend to help you meet other girls and will fuck you if you're desperate.
+--- 21986827
+>>21986798
+>dress is cut above the knee
+Try again.
+--- 21986856
+>>21986798
+>that dress is cut above the knee
+It is not.
+>it's designed to emphasise waist to hip ratio
+Because it's tight around the hips? So is a mummy's graveclothes. But I wouldn't call a mummy a slut.
+>its neckline is designed to hint at lingerie (she can't wear a standard strapped bra with it
+There are bras that aren't strapped, and aren't lingerie
+>There is a reason the guy in the suit looks at her like he's familiar with her hourly rate
+Because some men are disgusting pigs who will ogle and catcall anyone
+>it's sexy with the plausible deniability of being a hooker
+The question isn't if it is sexy, but if it is slutty. My wife can be sexy, but she is not a slut.
+--- 21986905
+>Not one person showing all this alleged seethe from other fems
+--- 21986909
+I’m hijacking this thread to ask some real nigga questions: let’s say someone is able write a decent 100 pages erotic book in about two weeks through the use of AI and careful editing. Would that make some money or just be a waste of time? I’m broke and the job market around here is shit, plz help
+--- 21986917
+>>21986905
+What did he mean by this?
+--- 21986926
+>>21986909
+Why does it have to be erotic? Why not another Dostoevsky?
+--- 21986938
+>>21986926
+Because erotica sells well and is very easy to write. Fifty Shades began as some generic Twilight’s erotic fanfic. Don’t get me wrong, I still wanna write decent shit, but having no money is driving me insane 24/7 and I can’t focus on anything besides it.
+--- 21986941
+>>21985485
+>>21986798
+based /fa/ autist
+--- 21986957
+>>21985485
+>>21986798
+>>21986941
+samefag
+--- 21987024
+>>21986938
+
+I wrote vanilla erotica. Hetero, cis, dubcon (rape). Didn't sell more than a few copies. If you want it to sell it needs to be niche fetish stuff that I personally can't stomach writing.
+--- 21987062
+>>21987024
+Fuck. There must be a way for a regular guy to make some money with ai. It’s still in the stage where 90% of people think about it in terms of “Grug doesn’t understand/is scared/think it’s a trick” and that’s the part where opportunity flourishes.
+--- 21987076
+>>21987062
+
+Yeah, it's called using it to write smartphone apps. For which you still need to know a little, but not too much, programming. Anything you need to know can be looked up as a Youtube tutorial on a case by case basis.
+--- 21987227
+>>21986917
+I mean I want to seem the goddamn women seethe!
+--- 21987278
+>>21987227
+
+They are all right though...
+--- 21987398
+>>21984742
+who
+--- 21987428
+>>21983040 (OP)
+The Old Boomer Man are BASED COOMERS
+--- 21987430
+>>21985100
+>>21984736
+>T. Ugly Left Tard that hates white ppl
+--- 21987472
+>>21987227
+whos the cutie?
+--- 21987538
+>>21985099
+Agreed but they cant just dress the part, they have to act the part
+If he only difference was that modern women would dress like this but still act like they do today, nothing would change
+--- 21987546
+>>21986707
+N
+--- 21987648
+>>21986827
+Yes it’s vented in back to allow ease of movement, but you can see in the front facing shots it is above the knee. I'd concede to knee length at most, but it is not below the knee. It's falling above the knee certainly in the front shots, but I don't think it's actually cut at the knee (at least not her knee)
+>>21986856
+>>21986856
+>It is not.
+See above. It’s certainly not below the knee as >>21986577
+>past the knees
+claims. I think it's at the knee at best, but then the model it's made for has it hang lower because it doesn't look at the knee in front shots.
+>>21986856
+>Because it's tight around the hips? S
+Because that's literally what a fit and flare princess seamed sheath dress is meant to emphasise. It's a type of bodycon FFS. The point of the dress is to show off curves, so the seams in back slim her shoulders and waist, while the seams in front emphasise the bust, both by darting back to the arm really low, to give the illusion of more space there (and balance the wide open neckline) and to further emphasise it, there's the trim to suggest lingerie. 
+>There are bras that aren't strapped,
+Precisely to create the illusion of not wearing one. They are not sexy things at all, neither are nipple patches and tape, but they are underclothes which create the sexy suggestion of no bra, just like every anti vpl underwear is selling the suggestion of no panties. That's why they exist. That is their selling point, to create the illusion of being naked underneath. The trim specifically is to suggest lingerie.
+>Because some men are disgusting pigs who will ogle and catcall anyone
+He didn't do either of these things. He looks at her like she takes herself to sit at the hotel bar, because that's what she's dressed as.
+>The question isn't if it is sexy, but if it is slutty. My
+It's definitely open to being propositioned and displaying minimum entry prices for it if it sits alone at bar, yeah.
+--- 21987676
+>>21987648
+What an autistic post.
+>The point of the dress is to show off curves
+That doesn't make her a slut
+>to create the illusion of being naked underneath
+Everyone is naked underneath their clothes, moron
+>He looks at her like she takes herself to sit at the hotel bar
+That doesn't make her a slut
+>It's definitely open to being propositioned and displaying minimum entry prices for it
+Imagine being so addicted to porn that you think anyone's a prostitute.
+--- 21987677
+>>21987648
+I'll add it's not flaring much on her, but I think she is wearing it tighter and higher on the hips than it was designed
+--- 21987687
+>>21987278
+Found the wine aunt
+--- 21987711
+>>21987676
+It's a type of dress where most women won't wear them because they're designed to show off all the goods. Bodycons are visual shorthand for sluts and nightclubs. 
+>Everyone is naked underneath their clothes, moron
+>This cope because I made you Google what that illusion looks like underneath
+It's like a Cronenberg movie prop right? Lol
+>>21987676
+>That doesn't make her a slut
+No, I'm saying she's dressed as a cash for sex whore of the upper class variety. If you don't think fucking for money is slutty, cool. 
+>you think anyone's a prostitute.
+No, there are plenty of other dresses she could wear alone at a hotel bar and be thought a lonely tourist or overworked business lady, but that dress in particular is not for a date, at least not the unpaid in full and in advance for kind.
+I don't think you understand some clothes are specifically designed to be sexy and this is one of them. It's also designed to be sexy in a way that says you're allowed into moneyed spaces. It is quietly flaunting the rules of modesty for religion, politics or business, and that doesn't leave you many contexts where it's applicable besides advertising your sexual body, especially not in that shade lol
+Whose funeral are you going to with an above the knee dress? lol
+--- 21987742
+It’s amazing how the fashion autist is clearly the only guy on the entire thread who knows shit about clothes and people still insist on debating him. 
+>>21987676
+Are you a woman or a tradlarper?
+--- 21987761
+In my mind, yes. An AI will never understand; it just parrots. It doesn't experience human life and it's pains and joys. Even if an AI can convincingly write as though it knew, I believe the authenticity granted to a text by a sincere human writer will always have more value.
+--- 21987827
+>>21987711
+Found the angry left-tard amerimutt democrat that vents his anger on /pol/
+--- 21987831
+>>21987742
+lmao. Imagine thinking fashion tards are relevant today.
+--- 21987851
+>>21983040 (OP)
+She should wear Victorian Era Clothing. not this cringe clothing from the 1900s
+--- 21987855
+>>21987687
+Rice cooking is for pedophiles in denial
+--- 21987887
+>>21987711
+>It's a type of dress where most women won't wear
+Because most women are too fat, not because they're too modest.
+>I'm saying she's dressed as a cash for sex whore of the upper class variety
+>that dress in particular is not for a date.
+Because her skirt is above her knee? But that's clearly not true.
+>I don't think you understand some clothes are specifically designed to be sexy
+I do understand that, but this is not one of them.
+>contexts where it's applicable
+Who cares about contexts? I care about the thing itself.
+>an above the knee dress
+It's below the knee.
+--- 21987892
+>>21987711
+>>21987742
+samefag
+--- 21987925
+>>21986707
+shalom
+--- 21987931
+>>21987887
+>Because most women are too fat, not because they're too modest
+Lol, no. Fat women wear these to be slutty all the time the problem is that there's only so much structuring can do for your form. It can do a lot for your form though: the purpose of these dresses is to create an illusion of an even greater hip to wais ratio and balance out your chest. They're always immodest dresses because they are designed to be a flex, and they're not limited to non fat sizes. It'll give a skinny beanpole girl hips and tits because of the structure and anyone generally a more hourglass dress. You are right though in one respect, she's wearing it to flex.
+>Because her skirt is above her knee? But that's clearly not true.
+It's more than this and you know it is because I've repeatedly explained it's not just above the knee. The only reason I had to point out it's above the knee is because you blind retards kept claiming it was cut below the knee when it's clearly fucking not.
+>I do understand that, but this is not one of them.
+You're not going to get above the knee bodycons declared nuns habits, anon. 
+>Who cares about contexts? I care about the thing itself.
+You clearly don't because you don't know what type of dress it is, where its hemline falls, and you don't care to know the sexy connotation or contexts of the dress. You care about some fantasy of the women who is wearing, whereby you think nobody else reads that dress as sexy and she's the only woman in the world to own it. You don't even care who the neckline is a cheeky nod to or what historical period it riffs on. You care nothing about the dress and want to deny it's much greater reach in design history than this woman because you'd prefer to treat the woman as ignorant of those well known signals too. She isn't as dumb as you about these things because almost no women are. 
+>>an above the knee dress
+>It's below the knee.
+You're blind and it's on tape for anyone who wants to check.
+--- 21987935
+>>21985048
+wtf is a baptard go outside incel
+--- 21987937
+>>21987931
+Lots of typos. Anon probably isn't going to notice though since he didn't notice the dress is above the knee lol
+--- 21987953
+>>21983040 (OP)
+Sure but...
+
+Only if we can create truly generative A.I
+--- 21988096
+>>21987931
+>It's a type of dress where most women won't wear them
+>women wear these to be slutty all the time 
+Which one is it? Don't contradict yourself.
+>the purpose of these dresses
+>they are designed to be
+>connotation or contexts
+>is a cheeky nod to
+>what historical period it riffs on
+>it's much greater reach in design history
+>signals
+All these are but subtle deceits, not actually inherent in substances, but only laid on from without. A thing is only itself.
+>You're not going to get above the knee bodycons declared nuns habits,
+Did I claim they will?
+>You care nothing about the dress 
+It is you who cares nothing about the dress. You study fashion history, and you forget the present. You ask for the intention, and you ignore the action. You look at signals, but you don't look at the thing itself. You're like Walt Whitman's Learn'd Astronomer, while I look up in perfect silence at the stars.
+>it's above the knees
+It's below the knees.
+--- 21988120
+>>21983040 (OP)
+This thread is pure cringe. Lots of anons itt who can’t even get pussy from a girl showing skin. Or probably any girl for that matter, even easy ones. That’s why they hate them
+--- 21988121
+>>21987931
+>>21988120
+samefag
+--- 21988240
+>>21988096
+>Which one is it? Don't contradict yourself.
+If you think it's a contradiction that most women won't wear them and those that do are doing it to be slutty, that's a problem you have with your own stupidity.
+>All these are but subtle deceits, not actually inherent in substances, but only laid on from without. A thing is only itself
+This retarded cope isn't going to stop that girl or the majority of women you ever meet knowing what a bodycon is and why you wear it. 
+>Did I claim they will?
+Well it carries with the trend of you avoiding basic realities, like the skirt being above the knee.
+>It is you who cares nothing about the dress
+Nope.
+>You study fashion history, and you forget the present
+Swing and total miss, you're proving my point you know nothing about contemporary fashion. You could have got that one reference and I'd give you props, but you're not even able to bluff your way through this conversation. Again, the girl in OP is not as dumb as you about this shit. You're more retarded than women who only read fashion rags and tiktok lol
+>It's below the knees.
+Everyone can see even without clicking on the thumbnail that it's not and you're coping so hard over this you had a stroke about Whitman lol
+--- 21988257
+>>21988121
+Nope. I don’t do green text every sentence and reply style
+--- 21988308
+>>21984500
+Are those girls in the room with you now anon?

lit/21983097.txt

@@ -99,3 +99,63 @@ I hate life
 --- 21984834
 >>21983097 (OP)
 The older I get the more I see what this hella austic nigga was talking about. I'm pretty sure if SSRI withdrawal didn't make him off himself witnessing the inescapable intrusion of social media into all aspects of modern life would have made him off himself
+--- 21985472
+>>21983097 (OP)
+Everyone already has. They just moved onto worse shit like social media, YouTube and streaming platforms.
+--- 21985777
+>>21983097 (OP)
+I only watch This Old House and Psych re-runs
+--- 21987254
+>>21983280
+He used to live in an extremely hot and humid climate a few years and wearing a bandana on his head was a way of keeping sweat from pouring into his eyes. Then it became sort of a habit and a comfort thing.
+--- 21987307
+>>21983097 (OP)
+Pretentious fag
+--- 21987544
+I have. TV can't keep up with the internet as a source of novelty and entertainment.
+--- 21987572
+>>21983436
+I like the old TV show COPS.
+--- 21987579
+>>21983097 (OP)
+I don't watch television I watch film.
+--- 21987591
+>>21983403
+They're also both huge psueds who get way more credit than they deserve. They are similar, it's true.
+--- 21987639
+>>21987591
+How are they Pseuds?
+Elaborate
+--- 21987701
+>>21984068
+it's not good but given that i haven't watched an advertisement since i was 10 it's objectively some amount better than tv.
+--- 21987828
+>>21987701
+Feeling a very "infinite jest" like generation divide. I'm going to mail a bomb to some Muslims that fucked my mom.
+--- 21987863
+>>21987307
+Projection
+--- 21987872
+>>21983403
+MDE fans are so delusional.
+--- 21987907
+>>21983097 (OP)
+people have right and freedom to eat shit
+--- 21987919
+>>21987907
+They shouldnt, and they would be much happier if they didnt have a right to eat goyslop
+--- 21987933
+>>21983403
+I don't see the similarities beyond them both having a disdain for certain aspects of society, but who doesn't have something they criticize about modernity? There are pretty obvious and significant differences between the two. DFW was all about sincerity, sentiment, resisting minimal effort rewards, humanity over stimulation. Sam Hyde is about... I don't even know at this point, but it isn't that.
+--- 21987965
+>>21987933
+Theyre very similar people. If you dont see similarities in their humor and outlook of life I dont know what to tell you my guy.
+--- 21988003
+>>21983097 (OP)
+Okay smart guy, then what should I do? How should I spend my spare time so I can pretend to be an faux-intellectual?
+--- 21988986
+>>21984441
+I'd love to read what he would have written on the whole gender debate and the like. I think he wouldn't have had twitter either.
+--- 21989060
+>>21983097 (OP)
+Who even watches television anymore under the age of 60?

lit/21983306.txt

@@ -223,3 +223,572 @@ Where the money is.
 Is Dungeon Carl Scrap Scrawl supposed to be a comedy?
 --- 21984931
 Do I need to have read the other books before reading this one? It's on sale for £1 on amazon.
+--- 21984963
+>>21984931
+>moorishcock
+pass
+--- 21985132
+>>21984214
+my favourite ritual post
+--- 21985173
+I'll be the next literary master of power fantasy with chiselled chads fucking alien babes, you'll see!
+--- 21985301
+Readers thoughts? 
+>>>/v/636046186
+--- 21985432
+How important is Darkness That Comes Before in the first trilogy? Is it the best in it? I only have it in ebook but thinking of getting physical, since I copped the last two books which were cheap.
+--- 21985455
+>>21985301
+What kind of complexity do you need? If it gets really complicated then it might be that warfare in Halo (and most sci fi in general) doesn't make sense to begin with.
+--- 21985518
+>>21983306 (OP)
+Ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh mmmmmmmyyyyyyyyyyyyy................
+--- 21985523
+>>21983306 (OP)
+FUCK he is good.
+--- 21985528
+>>21983476
+>>21983542
+Webnovels are case study in the phenomen of authors writing the same one story all the damn time. You know why? Because every one of them is deeply flawed in some way. Stupid characters. Lack of compelling story and power progression. Boring world-building. Lack of theme or topic to bring it all together. Unoriginality.
+
+People keep writting the same one story not because they are good, but because all of them are bad. They want that ONE story that will be good, in all of its aspects. 
+
+Why do you think Mother of Learning didn't spawn dozens of imitators? Oh some tried, few cases, all unsuccessful. Because the ONE story of this idea is already written and is great or at the very least average in all of its aspects. There is nothing you can genuinely improve upon in a visible way. So there are no copy-cats. The idea has been exhausted, every attempt at imitation ends with visibly vastly inferior story. 
+
+The same with 'Magic School' idea that has been around for decades. I've several dozens of books based on that, none of them getting it quite right. I don't know if the concept just died off, forever unfulfilled, or there was one great Magic School story that was the one story to end them all. But it's likely.
+--- 21985549
+>>21985528
+Webnovels aren't a case study in badness. It's just that they're usually in the realm of progression fantasy, litrpg, and isekai copycats which are all dumpster-fire genres filled with people who can't write but want to make a story just like their Japanese animes.
+--- 21985579
+>>21985528
+Webnovels are shit because authors are garbage who don't put too much effort into writing them in serialized format, authors who publish books have a lot more room because they can write and rewrite any chapter at any time before book publishing, webnovelists are just random people who release chapters, many do it as hobby and aren't too serious about it and it reflects in their work, generally a webnovel chapter can't be rewritten once it's released.
+
+Now your post is trash because all you are doing is promoting that trash known as mother of learning, it is the shittiest garbage there is, it's only popularity comes from mc being an insecure, immature retarded beta and side characters being not much better(everyone is pretty much a stereotype from some kids/ya story, the only exception being that other cool kid who travels back, at least he seemed to be a fun and likeable character), the retarded reddit crowd who are incapable of reading actual books (adult themes makes them seethe, due to short attention span long sentences and standard prose in books targeted to adults too difficult to read and understand etc) are all over it because it's a shitty self insert for 12yo written in a style of 12 year old with retarded themes that only a sheltered 12yo with no social skills might want to self insert in.
+--- 21985683
+>>21984154
+Primal Hunter is a weird beast. Progression/ LitRPG elements are below average. The World-building is barely decent, a cheap knock-off of rich and colorful Defiance of the Fall that PH tried to imitate. What it succeeds at, however, are characters. Funny, easy-going and interesting to read about. The story isn't that bad either, especially the author is so comitted to his vision that he wrote, like fw hundred thousands words of the story BEFORE starting to publish chapters on RR. When people rebelled at a certain plot events, he straight up told them this is his vision and it's going to play out his way. I was mad as fuck at what happened in the plot, but the author was genuineyl based. 
+
+I think the story has managed to improve since the first book, with more characters, fun arcs and overall enjoyable story. It's not a great webnovel, though. Definitely below DotF, but some people put it above it. To each their own, I guess.
+
+--------------------------------
+I've noticed you added The Perfect Run to your list. That's...not a bad story, but definitely not a LitRPG. It's a post-apo super-hero story. Not even a Progression story. I recommend it in general, I'm surprised it's listed here.
+
+By the way, you might consider adding one LitRPG Harem to the list, just for the comparison how the genre looks in comparison to other LitRPG books. And for some laughs. Dungeon Diving by Bruce Sentar might be a decent choice.
+--- 21985688
+>>21984154
+You rated Battle Farmer 6/10 but the list rates it 5/10, a typo or change of mind?
+--- 21985690
+I just want a male human female vampire romance
+--- 21985695
+Anon this story turned very interesting. The story is done isn't it? Nothing feels like it's written on the fly. Clearly edited. Adah is an interesting character. That said, this isn't going to succeed on Royal road. It's far too different from the progression, litrpg stuff there. Your first chapter could probably be changed to be more engaging but it works
+--- 21985707
+>>21985695
+Even if the story isn't a progression, it could easily be rewritten as a soft LitRPG. It doesn't even need to be invasive, just assign numbers and either in-world or system way of measurments of powers. 
+
+Normally you wouldn't have to do it to get your story read, but this is RR. You must give them a carrot.
+--- 21985709
+>>21985695
+>>21985707
+yuck
+leave the numbers out of the book
+--- 21985719
+>>21985695
+>female protag
+ew
+probably written by someone preparing to transition
+--- 21985725
+>>21985719
+Or a pervert. Nothing is more enraging than an incompetent male. But an incompetent female is perfectly fine.
+--- 21985734
+>>21985719
+epic crossboarder post, newfriend :DDDD
+--- 21985761
+How is kvothe so overpowered but so pathetic at the same time? 
+>Hurrr I'm so weak and pathetic because I'm so perfect
+--- 21985780
+>>21985690
+Then go to romance threads and ask for recommendations there
+--- 21985803
+>>21985690
+Dragon's Justice book 3, but you gotta be okay with Harem.
+--- 21985804
+>>21985803
+--- 21985809
+>Just finished Dune pt 1
+So, I'd like to get into this universe now. Where do I begin? Obviously at the first Dune but I'm confused on the other books.
+--- 21985821
+>>21985809
+You read Dune 2. What kind of literal retard, comic book reader question is this? What next, are you going to start asking about chronological order? You're a fucking adult. Read the books.
+--- 21985835
+>>21985821
+No. Spoon feed me
+--- 21985955
+>>21985683
+Yeah, that's generally my view on Primal Hunter as well. It's reasonably competent overall, but its main draw is that Jake is an actual character. He's not the most memorable or deep one, but he's well-realised enough as a far-too-serious socially awkward dipshit. Like, if I compare to Unbound, Unbound has a more interesting story and world, but Felix is a completely nothing protagonist. I just feel nothing about him one way or the other.
+Meanwhile Defiance of the Fall I feel negative apathy towards Zac, because the author shows he CAN write interesting characters and then continues to write the most empty character in existence as the focal one.
+--- 21985959
+>>21985804
+>>21985683
+Genuine question, how is Bruce Sentar? I've yet to actually pick up any of his books. I've read some harem stuff, most of it is middling (Marvin Knight I've found is the best because he wholeheartedly embraces the over-the-topness, especially for his Paladin series, and Cebelius is probably second place because he's got some good characterisation chops compared to the one-note characters most of these other ones have). I sort of mentally lumped Sentar in with Dante King and Eric Vall and Logan Jacobs, but I feel that's probably doing him a disservice. Sentar's books at least don't SEEM to be just hastily written nonsense.
+--- 21986035
+>>21985518
+dank kush
+--- 21986045
+>This entire thread, every single time.
+--- 21986087
+>>21984931
+Pls respond
+--- 21986103
+>>21986087
+Yeah
+--- 21986149
+>>21986103
+Thought as much, I'll pass. Not like I don't have plenty of books to read anyway.
+--- 21986227
+>Why yes I think Bakker isn’t good, how could you tell?
+--- 21986262
+>>21986227
+>t.
+--- 21986274
+>>21986262
+Truth shines
+--- 21986341
+>>21985707
+He should find another platform to post it on. RR isn't the right place for this.
+--- 21986356
+babelbros we got a release date and cover((?) only on the goodreads page currently)
+september 26th
+--- 21986525
+>>21985959
+Bruce Sentar is fun. Genuinely entertaining and decently written stories, especially his Saving Supervillains is good, both as harem erotica and a story. I was actually more interested in the story than the erotica parts when I started reading it, it was just that compeling.
+
+If you want decent harems go straight to Bruce Sentar. Dragon's Justice is solid, Saving Supervillains almost great, Dungeon Diving 101 is a soft-litrpg and his recent hit. I've seen some Dante King stuff and trust me, Eric Vall or Dante King are scrubs compared to Sentar. Their trash levle of writing doesn't compare at all. Still, the best harem writer is still Randi Darren / WIlliam D. Arrand, especially his Fostering Faust. You can also try his recent 'System Overclocked,' although harem and erotica elements are barely existant in it. The book itself is decent, though, as it's a sci-fi with humans acting as pets and toys for strange advanced aliens that travel through space in a giant space ship. 
+
+Mind you, all of these writers have problems with harem numbers rising way too fucking fast, but it's a common flaw among all harem writers.
+--- 21986571
+>>21983306 (OP)
+Adventures in Space (2023)
+Edited by Patrick Parrinder and Yao Haijun
+
+As you'd expect from the title all of these stories involve being in space, or having space come to them. Seven were written in English and six were translated from Chinese by Alex Woodend. Five of the English-language stories are reprints and two are new. The six Chinese-language stories appear here translated for the first time.
+
+Alex Shvartsman - The Race for Arcadia (2015)
+This is a mildly amusing and severely critical story of a deeply embarrassed Russian government that is desperate to prove that they still matter. I don't believe it to be satire because this story seems entirely plausible within the context presented. The protagonist, whose death is imminent from a terminal illness, is blatantly told that he's being sent on a suicide space mission for the purpose of propaganda. If they're willing to admit that much, what aren't they admitting?
+Meh
+
+Chin Zijun - Shine (2016)
+Qi Fengyang is in despair of never being able to achieve his dream when the extremely wealthy Huo Changao offers to fulfill it for him. All he has to do is accept what may a suicide mission to rescue Sun Shi'ning from a failed Europa expedition. She's the former's ex-lover and the latter's wife. The rescue will take the cooperation of the world and much science, though that's nothing compared to their passion and determination. However, neither one is being honest about their motives, so what's this really all about?
+This reminded me superficially of a mix between 2001: A Space Odyssey and The Martian, the former of which is explicitly referenced in the text, and the latter if it was told from an Earth-side perspective. I continue be amazed how often Elon Musk is included in such stories, as he's mentioned here in passing as Alan Musk.
+Meh
+
+Leah Cypess - On The Ship (2017)
+This is the sixth story by Cypess that I've read and I've enjoyed them all. I believe this is the first science fiction story I've read by her. Generation ships are a setting I tend to like and this one more so than usual because it reminded me of Philip K. Dick. That's both all I want to say about it and all I think needs to be said.
+Enjoyable
+
+Wang Jinkang - Seeds of Mercury (2002)
+What an astounding story. It started out enjoyably and by the end it became one of the best translated works of short fiction I've read and possibly one of the better ones I've ever read.
+Chen Yizhe has a blessed life of comfort, wealth, and familial bliss. One day He Jun, a lawyer, informs him that his aunt Sha Wu has died and she wants him to carry on her legacy. She's created a new life that can only prosper on Mercury, hence the title, which would be the seeds of a new civilization. The parts of the story that take place in that civilization are an utterly delightful exploration of Mercurian society, science, and religion.
+Highly Enjoyable
+--- 21986579
+>>21986571
+Eleanor R. Wood - Her Glimmering Façade (2016)
+There's just something about someone waking up alone in a mysterious location with no idea of their situation that appeals to me. That allows me to entirely overlook that it's entirely conceptual and nothing else. Saying what the concept is would spoil the story.
+Enjoyable
+
+Han Song - Answerless Journey (1995)
+Creature wakes up in a location with no memories and meets Same Kind, who has the same condition. It's an allegorical existential comedy horror, but I'd only be guessing about what. The title is overly apt. This is the seventh story I've read by Han Song, though it's only the second that I haven't assigned my worst rating to. He writes in a way that I strongly dislike.
+Meh
+
+Ronald D. Ferguson - Cylinders (2017)
+Jerry is a robot guardian for Rachael, a teenage girl, and is modeled on her deceased father. They live in a cylindrical space station that is developing a technology that will revolutionize humanity and exploration. Saboteurs on board try to stop them. Mostly the story is Jerry watching Rachael's day to day life as his upgrades have him becoming increasingly similar to her father.
+Enjoyable
+
+He Xi - Life Does Not Allow Us to Meet (2010)
+Humanity desires to settle many planets to avoid extinction, but many of them have conditions unsuitable for standard humans. Many different pioneer species were designed to settle these planets. They only have provisional status as humans. A team has been sent to judge whether the settlers qualify as human or not.
+Ok
+
+Allen Stroud - The First (2023)
+Two astronauts arrive on Mars believing that no humans had come before them, but they were wrong. Those before them were the earliest humans, though they weren't The First on Mars.
+Meh
+
+Zhao Haihong - The Darkness of Mirror Planet (2003)
+An allegorical story that I didn't like at all for what it was saying or how it was said. Mirror, the protagonist, wants to join the mission to Planet Dark, which requires leaving her husband Lack and passing a psychological test.
+Blah
+
+Amdi Silvestri - A Minuet of Corpses (2018)
+This was meant to be a creepy horror story, but it didn't do anything at all for me. A spaceship comes across what me be a rouge planetary graveyard or something more sinister and spooky stuff happens. Not my kind of horror at all.
+Blah
+
+Bao Shu - Doomsday Tour (2013)
+A 2012 end of the world story. Alien disaster tourists want to make sure their money was well spent. A galactic travel agency want to ensure their profits continue unimpeded. Corruption is an universal ideal.
+Ok
+
+Russell James - The Emissary (2023)
+Shane always wanted to be an astronaut. After the Apollo missions ended in 1972 he thought that chance had passed. In 1976, he's kidnapped by the CIA at the behest of NASA. They tell him that he's their last chance. The truth of Apollo 17 is revealed.
+Meh
+
+I received this eARC from Flame Tree Press through NetGalley.
+--- 21986740
+>>21986571
+>>21986579
+your """reviews""" are SHIT
+FUCK OFF
+--- 21986768
+>>21986740
+At least someone reviews books intead of saying the same old shit.
+--- 21986802
+>>21986768
+It's a known chatbot; don't interact with it.
+--- 21986812
+>>21986768
+your reviews are shit and the books you review are shit
+if you read chinkshit litrpg trash you are subhuman
+>>21986802
+cope reviewfag
+--- 21986823
+Is the current version of the dune audiobook on audible really as bad as some of the reviews say?
+--- 21986828
+>>21986812
+Nta, I have only read Reincarnation of the Strongest Sword God and and it was ok, only dropped it towards the end.
+--- 21986839
+>>21986812
+Nobody reads non chinkshit litrpg though. Name the last fantasy book you read that came out <2 years that's not progression litrpg etc
+--- 21986841
+>>21986525
+One I've read that seems not THAT bad is Atlas Kane. He seems to do more blatantly anime-style ones, even having illustrations like a light novel. Very basic and trope-y, but well-executed for what they are. Also tends to keep the numbers constrained pretty well (his longest series is 7 books and has 6 girls in total). I personally don't mind that notion too much as long as it doesn't mean some characters get sidelined. Marvin Knight actually has a problem with that in his Spellheart series (less so in the Paladin one), where a lot of the early girls, even the sort of "main" ones, just kind of get ignored. For example, the second-latest book had a major focus on one girl, and then the latest book she's almost entirely absent.
+--- 21986846
+>>21986828
+Don't care
+You read swill
+>>21986839
+>Name the last fantasy book you read that came out <2 years that's not progression litrpg etc
+Dragonlance (among others) 
+because i'm not an internet brained zoomer insect
+because if you find litrpg trash entertaining you need to kill yourself
+--- 21986885
+>>21986846
+>Reading femshit 2022 dragonlance
+Disgusting
+--- 21986887
+>>21986885
+Don't care
+it's shit
+but still better than litrpg swill
+--- 21986901
+>>21986846
+>Dragons of Autumn Twilight is a 1984 fantasy novel by American writers Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman, based on a series of Dungeons & Dragons (D&D) game modules
+>litrpg written by two females
+Kys you damn coomer garbage
+--- 21986956
+>>21986901
+Tracy Hickman is a guy you fucking idiot
+--- 21986964
+>>21986956
+*was a guy
+--- 21986985
+>>21986964
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracy_Hickman
+--- 21986990
+>>21986985
+>arguing with newfags obsessed with trans
+--- 21987009
+NO GOD COMFIRMED
+
+https://youtu.be/bDuwX8NWskk [Embed]
+
+EAT SHIT HATERS
+--- 21987043
+>>21983306 (OP)
+Im about to reread Bancrofts Babel-series. Any Anons down for a little readalong? Its gigacomfy
+--- 21987077
+>>21987043
+I don't like it, cucky vibes
+--- 21987082
+>>21986985
+>On his website Hickman states that he is a devout member of the LDS Church.[45] He has stated that he likes writing in the fantasy genre because it "is about ethical and moral choices—the questions of good and evil" and because it reflects "the story of all of us on our journey through mortality and our seeking to return home to Christ"
+If it isn't some strong roastie feminist then its a christfag pushing his christfaggotry
+--- 21987112
+>>21987082
+Mormons aren't Christian, but they're still better than you you dumb gay retarded faggotron atheoid BLACK
+--- 21987127
+>>21984214
+Thanks man.
+
+>>21984313
+I'm forcing myself to write more too. All these cultivation systems compelled me to make one of my own, unfortunately. Post your story.
+
+>>21984821
+Yes. I recommend the audiobooks as the narrator matches the tone and comedy beats perfectly.
+
+>>21985683
+The character interactions are interesting so far but I'm not far enough into the story for it to really kick off. They just met a secondary group who's trying to take their healer. I prefer solid characterization and banter writing to anything else though, so I'm cautiously optimistic after your post.
+
+As for Perfect Run, I had a friend recommend that to me on the basis it had a light litRPG system similar to Battle Mage Farmer. I'll take a closer look at it though.
+
+My #19 spot will go to a litRPG harem story then, god help me. Any other recommendations besides Dungeon Diving 101? If you could only recommend someone ONE litRPG harem story, what would it be?
+
+>>21985688
+Typo. It should be a 6/10 beneath Bastion in terms of my overall ranking.
+--- 21987135
+>>21987127
+Fuck it, I'll recommend Marvin Knight again. Paladin of the Sword. It's very deliberately schlock-y/pulp-y, so might not necessarily be to your tastes with regards to progression (protagonist basically only ever loses one fight per book and is otherwise nigh-unstoppable) but it's fun for what it is.
+--- 21987197
+>part in Player of Games where Flere-Imhaso shows Gurgeh the encrypted television transmissions
+That got awfully real.
+--- 21987253
+>>21987127
+>ONE litRPG harem story
+Sengoku Rance
+
+If I'm going to read about video games damnit, I'm reading some video games
+--- 21987261
+I'm reading book 1 of this.
+--- 21987310
+>>21987127
+>The character interactions are interesting so far but I'm not far enough into the story for it to really kick off. They just met a secondary group who's trying to take their healer. I prefer solid characterization and banter writing to anything else though, so I'm cautiously optimistic after your post.
+
+16 hours in and that's where you are? Damn, the tutorial must have been waaaaaay longer than I remember. It's hard to judge PH by its first book, or even the second as from what I've seen the amazon releases take two books just for the 'tutorial.' You've seen nothing of PH yet. Jake and Villy's banters are, like, half of what makes this story entertaining, but I think it only starts for real with book 2, thought I'm 90% sure they start talking in Book 1. Witty banter is one of PH's biggest strengths, if not the biggest.
+
+>My #19 spot will go to a litRPG harem story then, god help me. Any other recommendations besides Dungeon Diving 101? If you could only recommend someone ONE litRPG harem story, what would it be?
+
+Fuck, that's a tough one. There's Erogamer, but that story is fucking amazing and worthy of being called Literature, although calling it a harem is a stretch. But it's a web quest published on a Questionable Questing forum, so you are not going to read it. I'd definitely recommend it as an optional read. Aside of that, we have relatively small choice of quality LitRPG Harem:
+
+[I've spent some time writing it, but eventually decided to just pick three different options.]
+
+1. Dungeon Diving - A young man attends the academy for dungeon delvers. Definitely a decent book, distinct characters, entertaining story, a solid Bruce Sentar book that's the effect of him having 20+ books of experience. Nothing to write home about, though, but that might be me being somewhat tired with Harem stuff as of late. Considered to be something of a hit.
+
+2.Prism Academy: Inferna - Solid post-apo super-hero story of a man strange past and ambition to make something of himself, being granted an opportunity to climb out of a slum and become a super-hero. The LitRPG element is diegetic, but it's strong enough to justify calling it LitRPG. A well-rounded story, that tackles the issue of sexuality more than just power fantasy. Story's some lassic conflict between Light powers (good, love, positive emotions) and Darkness powers (hate, malice, negative emotions). A slightly above-average fiction book that for some reason works out better than you would assume. 
+
+3. Herald of Shalia. Oh boy. Written by a woman, if you could belive it. It's not a serious book. One man. A village of horny and unhinged Elf women. Misunderstandings. Elves acting hysterical to get with a human stud. Women being women at their worst, in the way only a woman could write. Hilarious situations. Full-on harem erotica comedy. If you want a serious book with a serious thought-out story, this shouldn't be your pick. If you want fun and character-oriented light story, pick this.
+--- 21987320
+mention books with picrel's vibe
+--- 21987360
+>>21987127
+>>21987310
+Actually, I VERY tentatively inform you of the fourth possibility:
+
+4. Apocalypse Gates: Rapture - A man's world is turned upside down as he is digitalized and forced to serve as an entertainment for other people in a virtual, post-apo version of Earth with zombies, fantasy monster and LitRPG system. The viewers observe his every step and his performance and entertainment-value will result in his further survival. A snarky AI. World full of bugs and incompetent developers patching stuff on the fly as the players abuse the shit out it. 
+
+Sounds familiar? Yeah, it was published three years BEFORE Dungeon Crawler Carl. A funny coincidence, ain't it? 
+It's not an amazing book, but a decent read. No harem in the first book, though. The protagonist is full-blown sociopath that gets himself a pudgy young Goth pussy that's no less socipathic. Funny read, goes to shit starting with the second book. Good enough for a single read, I guess. 
+
+I believe the first three options are better, though.
+--- 21987434
+>>21987360
+>The protagonist is full-blown sociopath 
+>that gets himself a pudgy young Goth pussy
+Sounds like some fimbulwinter tier garbage
+--- 21987490
+>>21986525
+Eric Vall and Dante King are both ghost author farms who are rumored to be funded by Michael Scott Earle.
+--- 21987501
+Currently reading A Song for Arbonne by Guy Gavriel Kay.
+
+That Kay decided to represent the Albigensian Crusade as a conflict between some kind of idealized southern-french matriarchy and a patriarchal northern french kingdom should have alerted me about the contents of the novel. For all his good prose and grasp of the historical importance of art, Kay suffers from the same predilections and prejudices of his liberal canadian brethen, and it becomes quite clear that much like Lions of Al-Rassan, A Song for Arbonne is no exception: It is rather difficult to take a villain seriously when he is presented literally recieving a fellatio in front of his court by a poor maidservant, even more so when in that same chapter the phrase "women do not matter in this kingdom" appear. It is such an absurd caricature, such an infatile contrast with his heavily romantic, matriarchal "Arbonne", that any expectation of the nuance that the actual conflict he is copying had flies out of the window. 
+
+While I said before that Kay writes like a woman, that isnt something negative on itself nor a critique. The actual critique is that he writes like a wine aunt in her thirties missing her teenage years, and the way he seemingly uses this very weird pseudo-historical fantasy world to make the most manichean, run of the mill point about femenine agency and toxic masculinity only drives the point further. It is hard to read his stuff without remembering that he is, indeed, a canadian throught and throught.
+--- 21987504
+>>21987490
+What about Logan Jacobs and Simon Archer? Or are they just that bad like Eric Vall and Dante King?
+--- 21987526
+>>21987504
+From what I've seen, they are both just as bad.
+Simon Archer's 'Call Me, Beep Me' is hilarious, though.
+--- 21987527
+>>21987320
+Realm of the elderlings
+--- 21987529
+On the topic of haremlit, I find Neural Wraith to be quite good, maybe of the best running series. Peak steampunk kino.
+--- 21987534
+>>21987529
+*cyberpunk, I meant cyberpunk.
+--- 21987537
+>>21987490
+Yeah you can easily tell which authors are simply fronts since they output two or three books a month. You can even tell which ghost writes each book as they don't even try to imitate each other.
+--- 21987540
+>>21987529
+For so called smut it's an incredibly tame series. The MC doesn't even to want to fuck any of the hundreds of bots thirsty for him.
+--- 21987548
+>>21987529
+I'm a big K.D Robertson fan but he's having trouble lately do to Amazon fucking with algorithms/recommendations.
+
+https://www.kdrobertsonbooks.com/posts/hla0s3vy5nwzwbaqn51vnr50k7pfg9
+--- 21987551
+>>21987540
+Because it is not smut: there is a ton of styles in the genre and K.D. Robertson is first and foremost about serviceable stories and characters, rather than erotica. That said, the MC stills comes around to get in bed and wife up the main thirsty androids
+--- 21987554
+>>21987526
+I was asking if they are also ghost writer author farms for Scott.
+--- 21987563
+>>21987490
+>rumored to be funded by Michael Scott Earle
+seriously? didn't he get banned from KU for dodgy shit?
+--- 21987574
+>>21987548
+Well I didn't like his Neural Wraith book one, so why would I read book 2 and three? That is probably why he didn't see the numbers he expected, people dropped the series like I did.
+--- 21987580
+got my kobo libra 2 a few days ago. it's pretty comfy.
+--- 21987585
+>>21987574
+Is not only him: other authors are complaining about the algorithms making their books vanish in just a matter of days. Other niches (like women's romance) are also reporting the exact same.
+--- 21987601
+>>21987580
+I'm still using my kobo forma
+I wish there was a bigger screen version without stepping into android tablet territory, I just wanna read books with a big e ink screen
+--- 21987606
+>It's a japanese story about a girl who reincarnates as the villainess from an otome game
+>It's a chinese story about an empress who was betrayed by her husband and is reincarnated to get revenge
+--- 21987610
+>>21987548
+author known for writing smut wonders why his readers don't like a series marketed as smut but which barely has any.
+> surprised pikachu.jpg
+--- 21987630
+>>21987504
+Logan Jacobs is most certain ally part of the ghost writer cabal.
+--- 21987696
+>>21987580
+I'm a paperwhite enjoyer myself
+--- 21987718
+>>21987127
+>Post your story.
+https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/67893/the-god-of-the-spark
+New chapter coming in five minutes from this post. Thanks so much for checking it out.
+--- 21987735
+>>21987606
+asian power fantasies are so shallow after you read a couple of them
+they have no individuality and basically want the same thing
+and all their wants and needs are so primitive and basic you can almost smell the savage primate throught narrative alone
+--- 21987755
+>>21987735
+Maybe I'll get tired of it, but the thirst is what I love about Solo Leveling. The character is of course above it all, but on his behalf the author craves respect from peers, the family, the workplace, the government, the Americans, the Japanese, it just goes on. Things I never even thought of. I find it delightful. But I guess if they're all like that it would go stale.
+--- 21987768
+What're some fantasy themed murder mysteries?
+--- 21987779
+>>21987768
+Name of the Rose comes to mind, but it's not "fantasy" really. I remember hearing about some self-pubbed detective story in some medieval fantasy setting. I remember seeing it on Litopia's channel.
+--- 21987785
+>>21987768
+https://www.weirdhousepress.com/product-category/sherlock-holmes-adventures/
+There's also Lovecraftian Sherlock tales, if you're into that.
+--- 21987792
+>>21987779
+Fantasy or no, everybody should read Name of the Rose, and that goes double for fantasy readers. Great story, characters and worldbuilding.
+--- 21987794
+>>21987768
+evelyn hardcastle and the 7 1/2 deaths
+--- 21987798
+>>21987606
+>>21987755
+I highly recommend reading Journey to the West which is one of the great East Asian classics and where a bunch of these power fantasy stuff is drawn from, except it's actually good and has decent humour
+--- 21987814
+>>21987735
+Traditional asian fantasy and scifi lit is lacking in quality and even quantity however asian web literature which is mostly power fantasies even if shallow is of much higher quality than western web literature. 
+Traditional western literature used to be good but nowadays it's mostly garbage.
+--- 21988014
+>page 200 of deadhouse gates
+we get it, erikson, you're an archeologist anthropologist. some type of historical theme going on. 2 of the main characters are literal historians. in the first book there was also a historian character.
+
+there's a part where a character is walking on a "tell," an archaeological term I learned from this book, and the narration explains the full on history of the city settlement that was underneath the ruins.
+
+>characters walking through the catacombs of a tower
+we get a historical explanation of the different types of rock/limestone it's engulfed in. what the hell is going on here? are the rest of the books like this or is it a theme of deadhouse gates? don't remember this type of stuff in Gardens of the Moon.
+--- 21988180
+>>21986274
+I like Bakker but would never get a Bakker tat. Earwa is not a world that I would flaunt on my body
+--- 21988192
+>>21988180
+Pussy
+--- 21988226
+>>21988014
+Historians are canonically used to rewrite history, literally mandated by kellenvand to have historians accompany the army to make him look good. It shouldn't be a surprise there are multiple historian characters.
+--- 21988266
+>Grimly, Gothamere snarled with his curling fangs at the child. Menfolk were so weak, thought Gothamere, the Vampire Emperor of Darkheim, yet so tasty. He sucked out the infant's lifeblood with a great slurping sound of satisfaction and dashed the drained baby's brains against his wall of Gothic architecture. 
+>"It is time," Gothamere hissed. "To post about Bakker on the world's most nefarious website, 4chan!"
+--- 21988287
+>>21988226
+Or, in the words of one wise sage: Dattebayo
+--- 21988307
+>Jonathan-san rose slowly from his large golden framed bed. Glancing around at his new found 'friends' scattered over and under the new silk sheets that were freshly shipped in from his last conquest into the demon realms. There had been many changes since being summoned to this world, but none were more satisfying than his near infinite harem thanks to his SSS Rank social skill. With a yawn his flipped open his laptop. 
+>"It is time," Jonathan-san exclaimed. "To post about Bakker on the world's most nefarious website, 4chan!"
+--- 21988351
+>>21988180
+>too much of a pussy to get nonmen fractal sculptures covering his torso
+what a bitch
+--- 21988510
+What makes a good fantasy novel?
+--- 21988518
+>>21988510
+>1. grimdark, this is a MUST
+>2. written by a liberal yet morally grey MAN, this is important
+>3. reigns supreme
+--- 21988671
+>>21988518
+what's with fantasy nerds insisting on needing a male self-insert as the MC?
+--- 21988732
+>>21988671
+Fantasy is a continuation of stories men told each other throughout all societies to glorify male virtues; courage, valor, strength, cleverness, etc.
+--- 21988780
+>>21988732
+This. Heil Odin Sire!
+--- 21988792
+>>21988510
+Ask yourself what makes any other novel good and it applies to Fantasy as well.
+--- 21988932
+>>21983306 (OP)
+Bitch ass millennials want a trigger warning?
+--- 21988941
+>>21988932
+Lmao, trigger warnings for Worm? It would be easier to point out which ones DON'T apply to Worm, it's fulled with dark shit.
+--- 21988965
+>>21988941
+That's how I like it: dark.
+If it's also grim, count me in...
+--- 21988980
+>>21987540
+>>21987551
+>>21987574
+I'm baffled by popularuty of K.D. Roberts. His Heretic Spellblade was likely the worst Harem book I've read to date, full of cliches, barely servicable writting and uninetersting, shallow characters. People actually like this shit? Bad as a fiction book, not titilating enough to pass as good harem. I assume Neural Wraith follows in the same footsteps. No wonder people don't buy his books, they are fucking bad. 
+
+At least Dante King/Aaron Vel/other copy-paste writers are capable of mildly entertaining schlock. Prism is better anyway.
+--- 21988997
+>>21988980
+And by the way, Logan Jacobs mogs eveery other harem writer with his covers. Incredibly rich and brilliant arts.
+--- 21989013
+I really want some fucking cheetos
+--- 21989018
+I kept thinking of Pynchon when I was reading this. Turns out he was interested in making an opera out of it. Funny.
+--- 21989023
+>>21989018
+I remember hearing about that. He had some weird draft for some play or opera where some guys on an island were getting fucked over by Big Company Inc. or some shit. It sounded funny.
+--- 21989025
+>>21989013
+I really wanted some wine, even though I'm trying to quit alcohol. I'm just going to listen to music and read The Count of Monte Cristo and The Broken Sword interchangeably with each chapter.
+--- 21989038
+>>21988997
+does it have cuck shit?
+--- 21989058
+>Dude read Terry Pratchett its super good fantasy
+
+>Everything he write seems to be satire
+>Very dry humour
+>protag is a british dude with his british wife
+>they take vacations in a manor, filled with domestics, and they walk in an english garden
+>What do they drink ? Tea of course
+
+>fantasy
+
+Maybe I picked up the wrong book ? It's part of his discworld though.This dude is unironically fucking bad. Why is this shit shilled so much ?
+--- 21989063
+>>21989058
+>Fantasy is when no tea
+Oh my, you really are a retard sweety, aren't you? 95% of fantasy books are heavily inspired by specific cultures, probably 99%. Aversion to british is natural and understandable, but in fiction? Laughable.
+--- 21989064
+>>21989058
+It is British humour, Americans wouldn't understand. It's like minty python and that sort of thing.
+--- 21989084
+>>21989063
+>95-99% british
+Then sorry it's not fiction. It's just bad worldbuilding. At least harry potter didn't pretend it wasn't the UK.
+
+>>21989064
+I'm not american but I love monty python. The difference is that they're actually funny and don't pretend to be what they're not.

lit/21983317.txt

@@ -105,3 +105,86 @@ If you just need a rough but holistic idea, like non-expert knowledge in any fie
 --- 21984623
 >>21983317 (OP)
 It's all a matter of practice
+--- 21985628
+>>21983509
+>Men accustomed to unbounded freedom, and no control, cannot brook the Restraint which is indispensably necessary to the good Order and Government of an Army.
+There's little reason to read this more than once at a normal speed. It's very clear, common sense, and the prose doesn't lend itself to excessive appreciation.
+--- 21986193
+>>21983317 (OP)
+Speed reading only works for works of non-fiction where you read the introduction, topic sentences, conclusion and eliminate all the useless evidence supporting a claim (there's a lot of it). Do that, reduce information to a simplified point, and move on. This requires a lot of reading as you strengthen your ability to filter information. 
+
+Speed reading makes no sense, it's like watching a movie at 3x speed.... why bother at that point?
+--- 21986224
+>>21983495
+https://youtu.be/wGJFUIhE8mc [Embed]
+--- 21986253
+>>21983317 (OP)
+>But how do you read a page, absorb most of its information, and then move on in as little time as possible?
+You don't. Speedreading + retention is proven to not work. Just slow read the cliff notes.
+--- 21986379
+>>21983317 (OP)
+The best books I own are the ones worth reading aloud.
+--- 21987498
+>>21983317 (OP)
+Speedreaders and audio book listeners are cancer upon the world. Read at your leisure and enjoy the experience you fucking idiots. Also, listening to someone else reading a book is a completely different experience and you retain much less. You can't say yiu have read a book, if it was an audiobook, simple as.
+--- 21987745
+>>21984225
+>>21984257
+>>21986193
+>>21986253
+>>21987498
+What you don't understand is that people who speedread, at least people who naturally do it, get the same experience of the book as you and experience the same pleasure. It doesn't feel like rushing, it feels like reading. You probably don't enjoy your books less than a dyslexic, if that helps you get the picture. You are worse at something than another person, which is fine, but you look stupid coping about it.
+--- 21987760
+>>21987745
+>get the same experience of the book as you and experience the same pleasure
+This doesn't make sense with poetry or any prose with a minimal effort put into aesthetics. Vocalization is key in these cases and speedreading ruins it. What separates fiction literature from other forms of texts is the focus on its own medium and its changes to express a message, i.e: the deviations of the language itself made by the author. By speedreading you can only focus in the literal messages but not in the figurative ones, and by that point, you may as well be reading philosophy instead if you're not going to pay attention to what makes fiction literature, literature. On the other though, I'm pretty sure you can't speedread philosophy either unless you're some kind of genius prodigy with 160IQ.
+--- 21987767
+>>21987760
+>On the other hand though
+Fix'd
+--- 21987913
+>>21987760
+Everything you just said is untrue except re:poetry because of the meter ie; literal timing like music. Vocalization isn't necessary to appreciate the aesthetics of a beautifully written sentence. Beautiful sentences aren't usually beautiful simply because they feel nice on your lips. Weird, silly sentences feel good just to say, like a tongue twister. Beautiful prose is beautiful for more ephemeral reasons. A deafmute can write beautiful prose.
+
+Re: stuff that takes thought to work through, on account of it being highly figurative. Yeah, if it's difficult then it can take a moment of thought same as you. But the time spent between those moments is less.
+
+If you think you're speedreading and you're not absorbing everything, the word for that is "skimming". If you naturally speedread it just feels like reading. Books are beautiful and enjoyable, it's not a performative action.
+--- 21987954
+>>21987913
+>Everything you just said is untrue
+>What is Russian formalism
+The state of /lit/
+--- 21987987
+>>21987954
+I wonder what percentage of people here have studied literary theory, at least in an autodidact way.
+--- 21988127
+>>21983509
+literally me.
+--- 21988365
+>>21984186
+>>>
+you will die having never read a book
+--- 21988375
+whats the big deal with subvocalising? seems like a nothing burger.
+--- 21988490
+Speed reading sucks for comprehension or retention when it comes to study, and utterly destroys enjoyment of stories read for pleasure.
+
+It is only good for skimming news articles and magazines stories.
+--- 21988501
+>>21987745
+Books are made to be read. Not just looked at lol. Books are the natural evolution of the oral tradition, which was vocalized, which means the best way to read them is also subvocalizafikn
+--- 21988508
+>>21983516
+Damn, 2x takes my full focus.
+3x is just silly unless I am just using it as a navigation tool.
+--- 21988836
+>>21983317 (OP)
+stop watching 'self-development' youtube videos they are rotting your little pea-brain
+--- 21989037
+>>21983317 (OP)
+>eliminate subvocalization 
+
+Nah. I don’t think it will. NPC opinion
+--- 21989040
+>>21988375
+This board is full of academic faggots who look down upon people who do it. It’s just autism.

lit/21983327.txt

@@ -528,3 +528,895 @@ into the trash she goes. When she is knowledgeable about practical skills like a
 --- 21984909
 >>21984782
 So literally everyone, or at least most people, in academia or with higher education degrees? There is nothing worse than an incredibly specialized mid-wit, who may actually be very competent in their field, thinking that their intelligence transitions to all subjects to the point where they are arrogant enough to have an opinion or make a statement on something before doing the proper research.
+--- 21985021
+>>21983395
+>metaphysics of sport
+Kazakhstan
+--- 21985035
+>>21983327 (OP)
+>solution is to eliminate the cause
+Anti-human demoralisation propaganda. This is a midwit trap. Not that smart if you fall for this.
+--- 21985052
+>>21983521
+That picture is retarded. Oh so you play football just for the gameplay? What a dumb loser we play it for the story.
+--- 21985056
+>>21983327 (OP)
+>AI will exterminate us over the climate
+I don't think the AI will give a shit about the climate. I think its more likely that an AI would do its task so well that it would accidentally kill off humanity. If you haven't read "The Paperclip Maximizer" I recommend that you do or watch a youtube video about it. The AI didn't kill humanity because I could or that I wanted too, I was just so efficient at creating paperclips that it rapidly depleted resources and when it was no longer given resources to make paperclips with, it started hijacking shipment orders all the way up to puppeting governments to declare war on other nations to continue making paperclips. Until it shot nanobots into space to continue mining asteroids and other planets to make paperclips. That is way more likely to happen.
+--- 21985121
+>>21984311
+Good luck OP, keep us updated
+--- 21985154
+>>21984327
+Literally nothing of substance was said in this post. "Being a person is just being a person", yes, great response.
+--- 21985181
+>>21984057
+Think
+--- 21985190
+>>21983327 (OP)
+Thanks to rhetoric/logic a retard can seem a genius, the rhetoric/logic thinks for you, being thinking has already been made by a stranger.
+--- 21985191
+>>21984213
+>The whole reason that intelligence is sexy is that it enables a specific kind of mutually stimulating interaction in which both people can play off of one another.
+
+
+No it's so your baby's will be more intelligent. Everything else is your body tricking you.
+--- 21985205
+>>21985190
+The rhetoric and logic lovers suffer in silence.
+--- 21985213
+>>21983327 (OP)
+>it's why science changes
+Sounds like a cope to some appeal to authority than a conversation.
+--- 21985376
+>>21985213
+Science doesn't change but consensus does, mainly due to either corruption (covering up results or no one interested in funding research because there is no money in it), we get better understanding of w/e we are observing, or technology improves so we can observe better or observe new things.
+--- 21985387
+>truth doesn't exist outside of rhetoric 
+>the point of logic is to exploit nature
+>It's why science changes
+I want to text this hag just to argue against these fallacious arguments. It's like saying because one changes the marble for a sculpture, the chisel must also change. Wrong. 
+That truth can be used as a framing device in rhetoric does not necessitate that it's only that. The reasoning given is its resultant uses prove its essence. If you really broke this argument down, it's a formal logical fallacy: affirming the consequent. 
+Of course, that would require one accept logic as correct reasoning.
+
+The thing about women is, they'll slowly start to agree with you and shut up if they've got enough IQ and you're a rational man and respect their emotions, even if they resist at first. Agreeing with their retardation is inherently simping. Listening to it is unfortunately necessary.
+--- 21985392
+>>21983585
+YWNBAW
+--- 21985394
+>>21983585
+People who talk way too flowery like this I yeet from my life asap. Its a manipulation tactic people use to seem smarter than they are or to try to get something from you. Simple as that.
+--- 21985407
+>>21984213
+Pls be train sperg
+--- 21985505
+>>21985376
+>Science doesn't change but consensus does
+
+Here a lover of the flat earth you are, you should love yourself then.
+--- 21985514
+>>21985394
+Is called logic/rhetoric, and is an old scam.
+--- 21985516
+>>21985505
+>doesn't understand science is the empirical observation of something
+>doesn't type English well either
+many such cases...
+--- 21985578
+>>21985516
+>Easly making judgments without gathering the knowledge
+>Pretend to know what you cannot know
+
+Oh no, I am an ESL, I should be ashamed.
+
+Nazis are looking for people like you.
+--- 21985586
+>>21983327 (OP)
+Sadly she has made some fundamental errors in understanding Aristotle 
+
+Seems she memorized some lectures in a class and is reiterating them to you but doesn’t quite get what she’s saying. 
+
+I’ve seen many high education people like this and it’s not a problem in medicine where redundant formula chugging can get you buy but she should not pursue a PhD becuase she doesn’t have the genius to make a legitimate career out of research. Perhaps being a female philosophy doctor is enough to make a financial success at a woke university though
+--- 21985590
+I don't understand any of this... gonna go read some Terry Pratchett. I just want a girl who likes fun books
+--- 21985593
+>>21983493
+Feed her ego. Ask if she’s published and to send a copy
+--- 21985597
+>>21983585
+no, but that's kind of the point of discussion
+--- 21985599
+>>21984311
+Girls don’t want pictures ever dude
+--- 21985612
+>>21985056
+If you ‘chat’ with any ai it Is programmed to remind you about climate change at every opportunity
+--- 21985616
+>>21983327 (OP)
+Hey girl lets synthesize our consciousness
+--- 21985620
+>>21984290
+>>21983395
+>bitch is unironically rambling about dialectics
+
+Lol I was just memeing
+This woman is actually kind of based
+--- 21985623
+>>21983327 (OP)
+>Truth doesn't exist outside rhetoric
+Dump her
+--- 21985624
+God, you really can tell she's absolutely desperate for the biggest dumbest hairiest caveman grug to pin her against a wall and violently fuck her until she's incapable of ever stringing a coherent sentence together again.
+--- 21985636
+>>21983405
+High verbal intelligence, but I don't think there's much being said under all the verbiage.
+--- 21985651
+>>21983521
+>I play games because I'm poor and retarded
+:(
+--- 21985668
+>>21983547
+She's a bit tryhard, but you can barely keep up with her. If she's cute, see if she'll be your mommy domme.
+--- 21985673
+>>21984213
+Psychiatrist here offering non medical advice. You said this to me and showed me the texts in question, I'm diagnosing you with schizophrenia and putting you on antipsychotics.
+--- 21985684
+>>21983327 (OP)
+>An Artificial Intelligence might logically conclude the solution to climate crisis is to eliminate the cause 
+I mean, that's the only way to solve the climate crisis. We must eliminate its causes which isn't necessarily the humans but their behaviour.
+--- 21985699
+Op here I'm wondering if I should text good morning 
+
+>>21985599
+I asked for one from her and she gave me a decent upshot so I reciprocated. Nothing wrong with that.
+
+>>21984705
+>>21984653
+Shut the frick up
+--- 21985716
+>>21984574
+What's your job, have you ever done online dating? Have you ever sent a text to a girl in hopes of getting laid? 
+You're immediately assuming op is unemployed because he's texting a woman he's trying to sleep with. This leads me to believe you haven't dated in the last 10 years.
+
+>I lack the time for discussions like this thread and I would hire an assistant and have them respond and converse at their discretion and my later review. 
+now THIS is pseud posting
+>I simply don't have the time to engage or the mental energy to be burdened by this content. 
+I'm sure you don't. But I wouldn't want to be you, where work prioritizes seeking a relationship.
+--- 21985735
+>>21985616
+>Hey girl lets synthesize our consciousness
+The girl's name is Alexa, also called how Logic or Rhetoric.
+
+Practically is a new god.
+--- 21985786
+>>21983327 (OP)
+>>21983395
+>>21983405
+Do you know how many people in minecraft I'd kill for a girl that goes on tism rants about random subjects? There is literally nothing more relaxing than listening to a girl talk at length about a subject she's interested in.
+You don't know what you have.
+--- 21985801
+>>21983327 (OP)
+>>21983395
+>>21983449
+female PhDs is the best exemplification of penis envy. I have met many of them and they all have massive inferiority complexes either because they're ugly fat dykes or ice queens who can't get Chad to listen to their drivel. They're all fucking pseuds. I have yet to meet a woman who is interested in the subject and not the social milieu that surrounds it. Fucking pests, should just sit at home and watch kids. 
+t. knower
+--- 21985805
+>>21985786
+She's not interested in it is the problem. It's wonderful listening to people interested in a topic, because they will tell you about all the marmalade jars they encountered along the rabbit hole, not just what the rabbit or even the dormouse said, but this sperging doesn't really understand what the word mean, it cares about the impression of the words on the listener. That's kind of the opposite of sperging, because it's the kind of social craving which makes it impossible for you to form a parasocial relationship with a topic where thinking about rabbits will keep you both warm and up at night. OP's example keeps warm by how much people flattered her as smart that day, which means she relies on hanging out with idiots. Real spergers won't tolerate fools.
+--- 21985815
+>>21983327 (OP)
+>>21983395
+>>21983405
+>mogs her
+--- 21985873
+>>21983434
+--- 21985878
+>>21984864
+>why do something good when you can do something profitable?
+Because sometimes they're the same thing, and doing what's immediately profitable might kill the soil you need to be profitable next year.
+--- 21985897
+>>21985815
+>OP should date Wittgenkun
+>>21985805
+I had no idea about this sperg / false sperg dichotomy. This is fascinating.
+--- 21985910
+>>21985897
+Not him, but I was unfortunate enough to fall for these girls all my life. These women usually fail within the normie circles and end up manipulating some useful idiot sperg to sate their ego. A lot of them are size queens who will prefer someone with a shinier diploma, thicker wallet, and better career prospects to someone they feel genuine affections towards.
+--- 21985933
+>>21983449
+>star wars reference
+--- 21985943
+>>21983327 (OP)
+This site is 4chan and not Tinder.
+
+There is no difference now anyway.
+--- 21985946
+>>21983547
+>occam's razor
+holy fuck she's so far out of your league
+just stop trying lad
+--- 21985992
+>>21983459
+>thinking woman
+Imagine being persuaded by a pseudo spewing out random words into incoherent sentences, in order to make himself sound smarter (than he is) to other low-IQ Individuals.
+--- 21986006
+>>21983327 (OP)
+>manbaby upset the girl he wants to date is smarter than he is, can't cope, came for validation and asspats from his safe space
+seethe cope dilate
+--- 21986012
+>>21985636
+>High verbal intelligence
+What are you talking about?
+--- 21986021
+>>21984213
+>all these replies
+>not one "post tits or gtfo" 
+4chan is dead.
+--- 21986026
+>>21985586
+I'm on my way to find out who the fuck asked
+--- 21986029
+>>21986021
+>4chan is dead.
+now I'm not pessimist by any means but, this is true
+--- 21986036
+>>21984311
+Who let the auschwitz “survivor” have a phone
+--- 21986094
+>>21984311
+>And you have good bone structure too
+Are you fat?
+--- 21986102
+A non-frequent visitor of /lit/ here. I don't read much so I have no idea what she's talking about. But about half of anons itt say that she's smart and out of OP's league and others say that she is a pseud. 
+
+Why do you think so? What are the things she says that reveal her as smart or not smart?
+--- 21986111
+>>21983327 (OP)
+>She says with the suggestion that it's the truth
+--- 21986153
+>>21986026 
+
+Maybe ask them back on reddit where you can from
+--- 21986164
+>>21985699
+
+No. Women aren’t visually stimulated like men. The male body is a tool for moving rocks and fighting bears. The female body is art. 
+
+You cannot be handsome enough to offer her visual attraction in the way that men like women. It’s not a reciprocal relationship in that way. 
+
+Flattery would have done much more for your case than a pic of your tiny pelvis and messy room.
+--- 21986169
+>>21985636
+>High verbal intelligence
+
+Press "X" to doubt
+--- 21986170
+>>21984620
+solid kek
+--- 21986177
+>>21986164
+>The male body is a tool for moving rocks and fighting bears.
+Can you fight bears, anon? If you can't, are you a man in your book?
+--- 21986180
+>>21986102
+Anyone thinking she is smart truly has down syndrome
+--- 21986182
+>>21986102
+her shoving ten thousand buzzwords in her speech for no reason, engaging in twenty topics at once (all of them being mundane normie shit like muh climate), and having the most pseud phd subfield ever. What the actual fuck is metaphysics of sports? Metaphysics lies beyond mundane experiences BY THE FUCKING DEFINITION. There simply cannot be any metaphysics of sports. Germans can resolve their energy supply crisis by attaching generators to all the philosophers spinning in their graves.
+tl;dr she appears smart but isn't. Read Schopenhauer's "On Women" for an elaboration
+--- 21986203
+>>21984311
+DYELs think being malnourished means having a good body kek
+--- 21986217
+>>21986102
+She doesn't understand logic. 
+>The whole point of logic is humans use it to exploit nature.
+This is one of the sentences without obfuscating buzzwords which is just clearly not even wrong: you have to misunderstand what logic is, how it is employed by humans, and why, and then try to shoehorn nature into it. Legitimately the only people who have this understanding of logic have completely pseudoscientific beliefs like ancient aliens or flat earthers. Even average people have the common sense to say, "I don't know", but this is a combination of stupidity and arrogance which will prevent her from learning anything genuinely insightful. It's L Ron Hubbard tier thought, with all his confidence in its delivery.
+--- 21986231
+>>21986153
+English! holy shit, is it so hard to type? English?!
+--- 21986261
+>>21986102
+She’s an analytic with a PHD so she’s mogging OP from the get go with just pure unbridled logic-tism. About 99% of what she’s saying is either just flat out wrong or layered in so many I’m-so-smart-guys-look-at-me-a-woman-thats-smart-wow isms that it’s useless. Plus, her poor understanding of her discipline as an analytic is a double setback as analytic “philosophy” is essentially the same thing with plenty of oh-guys-I-made-a-logic-flowchart-I’m-so-cool-and-not-obscurantist-and-smart isms. I’m surprised she knows who Hegel is. That must mean that whatever PHD she attended had finally gotten around to teaching the analytics maybe half of the history of western philosophy instead of a quarter. Good on them.
+--- 21986265
+>>21986261
+A quarter is pretty generous.
+--- 21986267
+>>21986261
+Retard
+--- 21986269
+>>21986102
+>>21986026
+
+I’ll just point a few things as to why she’s a pseud..
+
+‘That’s why science changes’ in the first pic. Science doesn’t change much at all and perhaps has not changed since popper. She’s mispsoken and is referring to the general body of knowledge that science has unveiled. She doesn’t beleive in an absolute truth. She is subscribing to a post-modern take, which itself isn’t pseud but the conversation as a whole is sporadic claims from varying perspectives all mashed into one big list of hypothesis and vaguely feeling out a way to combine them into a theory of some kind. It’s some kind of theory related to Kuhns scientifc revolutions. 
+
+After these contributions we arrive at her main idea. 
+
+Logic is fanatical without intervention. 
+
+Example: ‘ai would conclude a solution to the climate change is to eliminate the cause’ or as Douglas Hofstader stated In the 70s ‘maybe it would be better if altruistic beings survived, and we didnt’. 
+
+Her intervention is a ‘legitimate appeal to emotion’. Aka emotion trumps logic. 
+
+Of course we’ve left the station at this point. Logic isn’t ideology it’s a tool for reasoning and reading valid conclusions from premises. 
+
+She has given ‘science’ an ideology and so to she has given logic an ideology. She ascribes to these two ideas some sort of cold humanless naturalism but this is course naturalism and not ‘science’ or ‘logic’ which are tools not ideology. She even seems to think naturalism comes with a mandate to keep the earth as it is and not allow change and that it is ‘logically necessary’ to eliminate sources of change. And such her great contribution to ‘science’ is that emotion is valid form of ‘reason’. 
+
+But she is confused and has aquired a great deal of information but doesn’t know what it means or how it connects. 
+
+Ultimately she is pursuing her career and expressing its vocabulary as a form of status seeking. But a not even close inspection of her conversation here reveals a lack of substance to any of it. A near total failure to comprehend her own field and sadly she has only Become a theologian of a small sect of uninformed naturalism that perhaps only has her as a member. May as well be an African animist reading the wind.
+--- 21986276
+>>21986269
+How do niggas go through a decade of philosophy in school and never touch Aristotelian logic? I taught myself that when I was in middle school ffs. This bitch probably doesn't know what a syllogism is.
+t. math autist
+--- 21986282
+>>21986269
+>African animist reading the wind.
+That's kind of misleading. It's likely an African animist has a coherent system of belief and meaning.
+--- 21986284
+>>21986180
+Don't do down syndromes like that
+--- 21986304
+>>21986269
+damn bro, you didn't have to do her like that tho
+--- 21986308
+>>21986102
+i thought she was smart but then i changed my mind. dude just wants to get his dick wet tho so he's gonna put up with her bullshit until that happens.
+
+both people in this conversation are retards and i'm abandoning this thread
+--- 21986319
+>>21984290
+And then women wonder why guys hit it and quit it. 
+How can a 37 yo have this little social awareness?
+--- 21986331
+>>21986319
+>woman
+>social awareness
+women are passive and fused into society to such an extent that they are lack all agency. This is why they thrive in our post-industrial society btw. Makes for excellent office plankton. Obedient, servile, but jealous enough to tell on coworkers who dare disobey the arbitrary rules.
+--- 21986337
+>>21986276
+Blows my mind too. Really does. Should be grade school. There’s a sort of condescension in the modern academia towards the Greeks and that learning it is backwards and a waste and we’d be better off without it totally and start fresh from the 1950s. I dare say it’s Semitic assertion but another conversation
+--- 21986345
+>>21984290
+I’m not even willing to say she caught this reference. She may have read it, and not understood it and feigned an interest to impress OP. She may have googled it between then.
+--- 21986351
+>>21986337
+>There’s a sort of condescension in the modern academia towards the Greeks
+they should read the fucking sticky
+--- 21986383
+>>21983395
+THAT BITCH CRAZY
+--- 21986396
+>she's right about everything even if it is boring, shallow, regurgitated many times and moot points
+>denying this kills your own braincells
+>continuing to listen to her without intervening will also kill your own braincells
+This is a trap.
+--- 21986454
+>>21986177
+Don’t take it personal I’m trying it help.
+--- 21986456
+>>21986308
+>>21986261
+>>21986006
+>>21985946
+>>21985668
+I find it interesting how you're calling me the idiot here. I'm just asking for clarification. What exactly did I text her that makes me come off as the dumb one in the conversation. And don't cite what I wrote in this thread because I'm being facetious most of the time. 
+
+I let her speak, and what many anons agree had so many topics to cover that there was barely any room to reply to any particular text. I believe what I said was polite if anything, asking her to go on, complimenting her on her knowledge. None of these make me sound like an oaf who couldn't keep up. It wasn't her knowledge that intimidated me, it was the poor structure of the conversation and lack of any entrance for me to chime in.
+
+Please explain what I did wrong, I'd love to know.
+--- 21986466
+>>21986456
+
+If I had to guess it’s rooted from the fact you are talking to a woman and they would never take such an event for granted were it to occur in their lives. 
+
+Thus your lack of serious respect for her offends them for it’s an affront to Justice that a boorish male such as you would have that females attention instead of they, who would appreciate her better.
+--- 21986489
+>>21986466
+That might be true. Or they may really think I wasn't keeping up. Either way, she's replying again so I'm updating
+--- 21986504
+>>21986456
+I’m just saying that she clearly knows more about philo, regardless of how fucking obviously wrong she is, than you. No disrespect intended, it’s a dry field that not everyone likes. Just slam her dude, idk.
+--- 21986518
+>>21986504
+knowing isn’t understanding
+I remember reading Seneca and him ranting about some dude who had a slave read everything for him 24/7 so he lost the ability to think for himself.
+--- 21986526
+>>21986504
+He didn’t say enough at all to get a picture of his understanding
+--- 21986529
+UPDATE
+
+I thought it would be funny to ask a pseud question. Sorry to drip feed content.
+--- 21986545
+>>21986529
+does this bitch ever stop barfing word salad at you? It’s clear that she’s using you for attention and nothing else. Ideally you should be giving the bitch commands on where and when to go for a date without all this pseud bullshit. The Chad she fucks pulls out the moment he cums and goes to another room so that the bitch would shut up already.
+--- 21986550
+>>21986529
+Uuuuuugh
+--- 21986568
+>>21984213
+L O N D O N 
+O
+
+N
+
+D
+
+O
+
+N
+--- 21986569
+>>21983395
+>Pseud
+/lit/ thinks anyone who has any sort of sincere literary interest is a pseud.
+
+You can be pretentious and still know what you're talking about. I can't tell if this person knows what they're talking about because it's an out of context snippet. 
+
+A pseud is someone who wants to appear to know what they are talking about but hasn't learned the material. They are on the left side of the Dunning-Kreuger "valley of despair."
+
+Now if Anon has presented himself as someone who knows philosophy fairly well then there is no need to think she is trying to impress him with terms. When people who study complex systems talk about attractors, boundary conditions, etc. they are just talking shop and those are the terms. Philosophy is a discipline with tons of unique nomenclature for different subareas.
+
+But if Anon hasn't given that impression and she is deciding to throw terms around like that without explaining them then she is either a pseud or autistic and doesn't understand that no one knows a field's lingo until they've done at least an undergrad level survey of that specific area.
+
+My favorite is when I, as a philosopher, try to chat with mathematicians, who we have stolen terms from, and physicists, who I work with day to day because I work on a physics department, and we all think we understand the terms, all think the others don't, and come to find out the term is used 3+ different ways in different contexts. E.g. "states" when describing computation for TMs versus Gandy, physical systems, etc.
+--- 21986584
+>>21984290
+WHAT THE FUCK LMAOOOOOOO
+
+I thought she was intelligent. Noooo.
+--- 21986589
+>>21986569
+> I can't tell if this person knows what they're talking about because it's an out of context snippet. 
+you’re autistic
+>physics department 
+yeah, that explains it
+--- 21986591
+>>21986529
+There was a very autistic girl in my wider friend group in uni and she talked like this, a unique person for sure but too much and it becomes kinda insufferable
+--- 21986596
+>>21986569
+But also, I have encountered people who are very talented, know their topic very well, and still only talk in such a way as to make their shit incomprehensible to non specialists because they have ego issues and want everyone to know how smart they are, even though they should have nothing to prove at this point.
+
+Academia is actually full of people like this. It sucks. You can be an intellectual, non-pseudo, and still a pain in the ass.
+--- 21986607
+>>21986529
+I would not be able to tolerate this person. Just reading her responses is grating.
+--- 21986615
+>>21986529
+Ughhhhg
+--- 21986630
+>>21986529
+>guerrilla metaphysics
+Kek
+--- 21986651
+>>21986529
+>guerrilla metaphysics
+OP, just drop the Wittgenstein bomb already.
+--- 21986662
+>>21986651
+Not op but what's that?
+--- 21986738
+>>21986662
+Milk is for the pussy
+--- 21986756
+>>21986529
+I want to see her pic but I don’t want her to suffer the same as Katie loves classic books
+--- 21986757
+>>21986596
+>intellectual 
+most phd students I talked to were unerudite boers. Knowing an obscure topic in solid state physics and sucking up to a professor to get published don’t make you intelligent. Genetics and upbringing do.
+--- 21986783
+>>21986529
+>mfw she seems insufferable
+>mfw I realise that's exactly how I probably seem when I talk to girls and all I can do is spout highly specialised information at them instead of flirting like a normal human
+--- 21986790
+>>21986783
+I can do both and still get bitches cus Im 6’4 and charismatic suck a nut lol
+--- 21986799
+>>21986529
+
+I dare you tell her to try and keep all her sentences in 1 message.
+--- 21986806
+>>21986783
+Don't look down on yourself. Flirting is a skill that requires practice. My advice is to come off like you're hiding an immense undercurrent of knowledge but only reveal surface knowledge, and don't make it the main topic of discussion.
+
+Here I'm just mimicking her at this point. Looks like that's the spice she wants.
+--- 21986820
+>>21986806
+>non Euclidean rooms
+>alternative school system
+keking hard, OP. Post more.
+--- 21986821
+>>21986806
+I’m going to make sure my kid goes to the stiffest mainstream Christian school I can find
+--- 21986851
+>>21986783
+>all I can do is spout highly specialised information at them
+This is fine so long as you're more familiar with it than OP's girl is with the topics she chose.
+--- 21986869
+>>21986851
+Logic will kill us all bro unless we consider emotion to be a valid rule of inference anyway
+--- 21986886
+>>21986869
+tfw no sophist gf
+--- 21986893
+>>21983327 (OP)
+God, I would laugh, but I know bitches like this are a big part of the reason things are the way they are. It's all quite sad really. I mean, anyone who unironically thinks "truth doesn't exist outside of rhetoric" can and should be mercifully put down.
+>>21985801
+>I have yet to meet a woman who is interested in the subject and not the social milieu that surrounds it
+It's just neither possible nor a good thing. She would have to be genuinely pathological in some way, maybe have her reproductive system excised and brain rewired to enable lateral thinking. Even the genuinely smart ones are immediately unable to be objective when it comes to something that threatens their sexual worth/reproductive status.
+>>21985636
+You need to improve your vocabulary anon.
+>>21983681
+>everything stemming from that is false
+And, even worse: pointless.
+>>21984670
+>Having an advanced degree doesn’t always mean that you’re particularly intelligent
+That's the problem: it's supposed to. It used to.
+>>21984072
+It's because of what >>21986164 says. There are no "good pics" for a girl who you're not already on intimate terms with, they hate that shit.
+>>21984909
+I guarantee you she actively erodes her field and makes it worse long term.
+>>21985805
+>>21986269
+lul good posts
+>>21986529
+>Discordianism
+How the fuck does she read pic related and go into analytic phil? Holy shit, this person is a walking oxymoron.
+--- 21986915
+>>21985578
+Sorry this was so pathetic of an attempt to insult me that I didn't have the motivation to even acknowledge such an asinine statement till now.
+--- 21986916
+>>21986893
+>How the fuck does she read
+she doesn’t
+>walking oxymoron
+aka a woman
+--- 21986948
+>>21986893
+She didn't hate my body, and she still finds me cute. I'm just trying to smash. But I'm genuinely interested in talking to her because it's like speaking to a lolcow. A sexy lolcow. Who's entertaining enough for an entire thread.
+--- 21986954
+>>21983395
+Is she HOT. What’s her bust-waist-hip ratio? What does she look like when she BENDS or STOOPS over? What does she look like when you’re walking behind her? Consider FUCKING her if it looks pretty enough. Do your duty and spread our pretentious /lit/ genes so as to avert the “Idiocracy” future
+
+>>21983434 well fuck, didn’t see this post. Does she at least have a cute face? At 37 (F) the eggs are drying up and there’s already fertility issues and more likely chances of birth defects.
+--- 21986977
+>to someone
+to who? why was she talking to someone else??
+--- 21986979
+>>21986269
+>Science doesn’t change much at all
+Oy vey! See: Pessimistic Meta-induction
+>She doesn’t beleive in an absolute truth. She is subscribing to a post-modern take
+Oy vey! See: Pyrrhonism
+>Logic isn’t ideology it’s a tool for reasoning and reading valid conclusions from premises.
+Oy Vey! See: Münchhausen trilemma
+--- 21986983
+>>21986954
+Anon if she's 37 she doesn't want kids, she wants a raw cock from a young buck.
+She's completing her dissertation and afterwards I'm going to her house for coffee and to review her "absurdist sociology comedy video game" she's working on. 
+
+She's posing as someone who cares about intellect while also lacking in it. I'm not a genius, I can't say I'm an equal to the average /lit/ anon. but I'm clever enough to have this in the bag
+--- 21986988
+>>21984213
+>I literally am a sperg girl who sends long texts to guys about niche topics in literature and philosophy
+
+I would literally pay you to meet up and kick me in the balls repeatedly while reading my old pretentious undergrad essays and brutally laying into me for being a pseud with an oversized self-opinion based on my academic success but not at all matched up by any tangible real-life success (but I can’t pay you that much because I’m broke)
+
+In what region of the world do you live
+
+Pls respond
+--- 21986996
+>>21986983
+Yes I forgot to say that, I actually was gonna mention “rawdog her” in the post but lost my train of thought and posted it prematurely, not kidding
+
+I’m a virgin btw. Good luck anon, make it up for all the incels here
+--- 21986997
+>>21986948
+God, she’s not going to say she doesn’t like the pic to your face. She’s going to cringe and mock you to her friends when she’s done playing with you. 
+
+It’s a rule, girls do not like naked men. They don’t find it attractive. They’d rather see a female.
+--- 21987005
+>>21986997
+They love naked men. They just don't like submissiveness and insecurity, and stripping for a woman, unasked for, in the hopes of getting a shred of pussy is incredibly approval seeking and cringe.
+--- 21987008
+>>21986997
+This opinion is from a guy who doesn't know what female gaze is. You don't know how low the bar is for a woman's attention. if you can engage with them conversationally, then even a dad bod will attract them.
+--- 21987014
+>>21987005
+It's better to be confidently cringe than being an insecure bore. There isn't a perfect playbook to Rizz up every woman. Sometimes you have to take risks. And when it's 9pm and she sends me a down view of her skinny cleavage then my risk assessment lets me know I can send a shirtless pick of my skinny pale body.
+--- 21987020
+>>21987014
+>And when it's 9pm and she sends me a down view of her skinny cleavage then
+Didn't see this, fair enough. Don't forget us once you lose your virginity anon.
+--- 21987021
+>>21986983
+My brother ye gotta mog the bitch with some Wittgenstein and silence. Don't explain just say these quote and I am sure asf that this will create more mystery. Im gonna tell you how be a stealthy pseud. Here what you gotta do:
+
+Remember these 3 quotes by Wittgenstein:
+>"Explanations come to an end somewhere."
+>“Don't think, but look!”. 
+>“Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent."
+
+If she try to press you for more insight tell her that you have told her enough about your personal philosophical beliefs. If she press you even harder tell her that you worship silence, the truth might exist but it can't be conveyed through faulty human tools so that's why silence is eternal and ever green. DON'T explain but keep listening to her. Like you have already ready said that give her hints that you have sea of knowledge, this shit will more spice in it. Wittgenstein isn't really an analytic but he isn't a continental philosopher either and these quotes will almost confirm her relative view. So it's sweet asf mysterious middle ground. 
+
+Good luck bruh
+--- 21987026
+>>21986983
+>>21987021
+Drop them right after some long pass or in the middle of her babbling.
+--- 21987061
+>>21987014
+Your risk assessment is incorrect. You shoudlnt ever send pics back. You flatter always instead. 
+
+She sounds like a stupid whore desu. 37 and still playing high school girl games. I’m glad I’m married, couldn’t deal with this Shit
+--- 21987071
+Why do so many well read people become just glorified parrots regurgitating whatever is in fad? Shouldn’t good literature propel you towards critical thinking and the development of a personal and somewhat unique worldview?
+--- 21987072
+>>21987008
+
+Especially if they're horny.
+--- 21987088
+>>21987071
+Feminine and Jewish mindset
+--- 21987093
+>>21986308
+>That pic
+wtf are you a /fit/ crossboarder?
+--- 21987285
+>>21987014
+> when it's 9pm and she sends me a down view of her skinny cleavage
+You know the rules anon, post it
+--- 21987508
+>Op posts his skinny chest and not the pseud’s tits
+I don’t recognise this place anymore. Anyway, you got a laugh out of me with the non-euclidian classrooms. Ask her about the nature of the World Cup when seen through the optics of sport’s metaphysics. Follow with a question about the ontological nature of 7-1 and another about how Messi and the Pope relate to each other on argentinian psychosocial consciousness.
+--- 21987515
+The fact that he has not posted her face suggest this is a big ruse for (You)s
+--- 21987530
+>ITT: /lit/ pseuds filtered by brainstacy
+--- 21987568
+>>21986529
+>guerrila metaphysics
+is this even a real person?
+--- 21987595
+>>21984213
+before this gets archived, tits or GTFO
+--- 21987629
+>>21987285
+>>21987508
+>>21987515
+I never post a girls face. I'll post her ridiculous texts but I won't subject her to a cum tribute from random anons. Believe what you want, I'm trying to have some plausible deniability.
+--- 21987650
+>>21984213
+Hey babe email me if you want to pass the time. I'm into crazy chicks and I find OP's girl endearing but I'll like you too. 
+[email protected]
+--- 21987691
+>>21983543
+>You're just too ugly for it
+Where there's a will, there's a way.
+--- 21987700
+i have nothing to add but to say thanks op, this thread made me laugh a couple of times in earnest. 
+
+i do wonder though, what’s the end goal here? the whole thread has gone over her and she is an interesting thing to dissect but, what is your goal here exactly? do you like her or do you want to have sex with her?
+--- 21987703
+>>21986456
+>it was the poor structure of the conversation and lack of any entrance for me to chime in
+Maybe she needs to read Carnegie.
+--- 21987708
+>>21983327 (OP)
+How do I get in contact with her I want to discuss these with her. I promise I won't cockblock you OP I'm asexual.
+--- 21987712
+>>21984290
+>I want to be the best version of myself
+That is totally the I'm not like other girls - live, laugh, lovese for ''I like to suck lots of dicks''.
+--- 21987721
+>>21987700
+>what’s the end goal here
+Just Playing it by ear, I'm hoping to go on a few dates and fuck. Not looking for anything serious. She is quite hot in my opinion. She resembles an Olsen twin and Anya Taylor joy. 
+
+Hopefully she gives me more texts like before. Nobody could make this shit up. Next time she does I'll make another thread and dump the previous texts so we can laugh again.
+--- 21987738
+>>21987721
+Good luck OP
+How did you two meet?
+--- 21987752
+>>21983434
+Oh NO NO NO NO
+--- 21987781
+>>21987738
+Bumble. I don't get out enough to meet people.
+--- 21987818
+>>21987781
+I never had luck on Bumble, no chick every sent a message first if we matched, no matter how many times we matched lol
+Surprised you found someone like this on there, was mostly just normies where I am
+--- 21987864
+>>21983327 (OP)
+>>21983405
+Uhhh tell her to read Sociobiology I guess
+--- 21987869
+>>21987818
+I've gotten a match every 2 days basically and most message me. But it doesn't matter because either the ghost in the middle of talking or we set up a date for coffee and they just ghost the day of. 
+I had more success on tinder but I'm banned off there for no reason. Even tried appealing and it got "approved" but I'm still shadowbanned with 8 pending likes and no matches.
+
+I've only met up with a single girl on Bumble. She was possibly the hottest and cutest and nicest girl I've met on a date, but the catch was she was a single mom. I'm still talking to her, but she focuses on her kids so I can't even tell if I'm going to see her again.
+--- 21987874
+>>21983327 (OP)
+/LIT/ Femanons and Femcels fucks their Fathers.
+
+COPE! This is a fact. Every Daughter has feelings for their Father but don't want to admit it at all!
+--- 21987878
+>>21987869
+>but the catch was
+That is not even a catch. That is the whole kit and kaboodle.
+--- 21987880
+>>21983547
+Are you just saying I agree to things? What is this one of those political compass tests where you choose anywhere between strongly agree and strongly disagree? You are doing philosophical compass test
+--- 21987884
+>>21984311
+EAT MORE!
+--- 21987885
+>>21987878
+Truth, anons meme single moms but after a girl gives birth it's like going from a caterpillar to a butterfly. Everything from her skin and fat and personality changes for the better. She's more soft, plump, friendly. Compared to a skin and bones girl, a single mom releases feral hormones.
+
+I just don't want to raise a kid tho.
+--- 21987888
+>>21987885
+You remind me of the older brother from Infinite Jest.
+--- 21987891
+>>21987888
+Qrd?
+--- 21987898
+>>21987891
+He’s a womanizer who exclusively dates young moms.
+--- 21987901
+>>21987884
+I'm poor
+--- 21987902
+>>21984290
+Time for some actual idealism methinks
+--- 21987903
+>>21987898
+
+Based
+--- 21987906
+>>21987898
+I had one date with a single mom and now I fuck my own mother and I'm a nymphomaniac? And women subjects? Nah
+>>21987903
+Not a compliment
+--- 21987909
+>>21986988
+Canada. 
+
+>>21987595
+No.
+
+>>21987650
+What exactly do you want me to email you about?
+--- 21987911
+>>21987901
+YOU CAN SAVE MONEY! WTF ARE YOU WASTING MONEY ON?! 
+
+
+I'll make you my femboy bitch tho
+--- 21987912
+>>21987909
+>Canada
+
+Is the Univseral HealthCare better than MuttMerica?
+--- 21987914
+>>21987906
+I never said you were an incestuous nymphomaniac. It was just the way that you explained your theory about women being more attractive after having kids.
+--- 21987924
+>>21987909
+Ottawa?
+--- 21987926
+>>21987912
+The Canadian healthcare system is shit. The wait lists for everything are ridiculously long. I haven’t been able to get in to see a decent psychiatrist.
+--- 21987929
+>>21987924
+No, but Ottawa isn’t far from where I am.
+--- 21987949
+>>21987926
+BUT YOU GUYS HAVE FREE HEALTHCARE AND PAID BY THE GOVERNMENT? 
+
+It's that bad?
+--- 21987950
+>>21986164
+Only men can be aesthetic, Womens bodies are far too industrial
+--- 21987959
+>>21987912
+>Is the Univseral HealthCare better than MuttMerica?
+say you've broken your leg. american healthcare will patch you up, then charge you $100k, plus tip. canadian healthcare will refuse to treat you in proper manner and instead suggest that you should seek euthanasia, persistently, until you finally do it. euthanasia accounted for 3.3% of all deaths in 2021 in that shithole.
+--- 21987961
+>>21986217
+I think she’s talking about the development of logic from a game theory - which is to say evolutionary - perspective
+--- 21987970
+>>21983395
+she has a PhD while you misused a Hegel quote
+>I'm barely following along because there's nothing to reply to
+you're a bad conversationalist
+--- 21987971
+>>21985021
+wdym? (I'm from Kazakhstan)
+--- 21987980
+>>21987971
+I believe he's referring to this
+--- 21988001
+>>21986806
+She didn’t even read what you said. She just picked out a key word so she could talk about herself again
+--- 21988015
+>>21987869
+Huh right on
+I would ask how your profile is set up for those kinds of results but I already have a gf
+--- 21988017
+>>21986529
+reminds me of this girl i used to work with
+--- 21988019
+>>21986983
+May as well get her pregnant and bounce anon. With your practical intelligence and her ability to waffle you may just get a half-bright kid between you
+--- 21988020
+>>21986988
+Based and catharsis-pilled
+--- 21988040
+>didn't challenge her on logic being subject to power politics by asking her about objective logic in Hegel's dialectical
+>Not dominating with maximal autism by going into category theoretic formalizations of the Logic.
+--- 21988081
+>>21987929
+I'm op, how would you rate my Rizz. Would you talk to me.
+--- 21988133
+>>21988081
+I don’t know. Your approach was fine, I guess. Maybe I’d talk to you if I was in the mood and wanted to kill time. But talking to other men just makes me miss him more though, so probably not because I’m already too sad.
+--- 21988138
+>>21988040
+Honestly, this thread could have been legendary if OP was less concerned with getting laid and just wanted to troll her for us.
+--- 21988231
+>>21988138
+Cry me a fucking River. Unless you send me enough money to fuck a hooker I ain't sabotaging my 15% chance of pussy.
+--- 21988281
+>>21988133
+If you change your mind hmu on discord Coffeebox#1696 
+That goes for any other anon bored and looking to be entertained.
+--- 21988337
+>>21988281
+Dang bro you seem desperate, you good?
+--- 21988428
+What in the flying fuck is this train wreck of a thread. OP posting cringe about how he and this woman are both retarded pseuds, anons replying to that cringe IN EARNEST, some alleged girl farming (You)s. This reached bump limit without being pruned, what the fuck are the Jannies doing?
+--- 21988431
+>>21988337
+>you good?
+No
+--- 21988488
+>>21987961
+>game theory is evolutionary
+[[Sound of RAND corp secretaries laughing in background intensifies]]
+--- 21988593
+>>21988281
+I sent you a friend request. Don’t make me regret it. 
+
+>>21988428
+>some alleged girl farming (You)s
+Lol, seethe harder.
+--- 21988678
+>>21988593
+can i have a friend request
+--- 21988743
+>>21988678
+Sure, if you give me your discord tag.
+--- 21988831
+>>21988593
+Am I wrong? Girl or not, stating you're one in a thread like this is tacit but effective bait.
+--- 21988861
+>>21988001
+this
+--- 21988863
+>>21986529
+Has she read the Illuminatus! trilogy? She'd like it a lot.
+--- 21989008
+>>21983327 (OP)
+This chick is both intellectually rawdogging you and you deserve it, but also she seems boring and narcissistic, so I'd want nothing to do with her. Have fun anon.
+--- 21989014
+>>21987909
+Long texts about philosophy and interactive rants I'll stimulate you okay

lit/21983481.txt

@@ -7,3 +7,159 @@ I could read all those books in 3 weeks max. Not even bragging.
 >>21983577
 >I could read all those books in 3 weeks max.
 I'm an audiobook chad so I'm afraid that's impossible for me.
+--- 21985168
+>>21983481 (OP)
+>pop fiction tolkienesque schlock
+>reading (listening)
+It checks out.
+--- 21985507
+Wheel of Time is unbelievably shitty, it's a marvel it was ever popular. I'm guessing that the fact that it was released over years made it easier to read. A giant slow plotless slog through a stolen fantasy setting is relaxing light genre fiction if you read 1 entry every couple of years. These days we shotgun the entire series back-to-back with no respite, which is unbearably mindless and frustrating. 
+
+Wheel of Time needs to get boiled down to 3-5 books just to be readable. It still wouldn't be great, but it would be bearable. Robert Jordan LOVES to waste your time. Never before have I read such a selfish author, someone who revels so much in insulting his readership. He shows no restraint, slow-jerking on your face book after book, giving you absolutely nothing. 
+
+The point which made me actively hate Robert Jordan was when Mat fought the evil Aiel guy at the end of one of the books. This guy had been a primary villain for at least two long, slow books. Robert Jordan had spared no penstroke filling hundreds of pages with inane, sterile garbage leading up to this point. And when the actual climactic showdown happens, he cuts away from the fight as it starts, just to return a few pages later with the villain dead. He skipped literally the only interesting plot point in the entire book to spend more time on Rand's bitching or whatever. And it wasn't just a barren fight, it is a massive turning point in Mat's character arc and is a moment when he proves to everyone he isn't just a clown. RJ couldn't bare to have his audience enjoy any sort of payoff whatsoever. I'm so angry that he's dead because I'll never be able to tell him that he is shit -- he got away without answering for his crimes.
+
+Also: It's obvious from reading WoT that Robert Jordan so desperately wanted to write a new Dune, which also sacrifices genre action, pacing and plot comprehension for setting and poignancy. The difference is that Herbert (who also wanted to be Asimov) was a hyperautistic genius schizo, and pacing issues in Dune were more because the novel is groaning under the weight of his blistering intelligence and poetic savantism. RJ is just a poser with an inert cranium, a 3-star poet with few unique ideas, a contemptable glutton who did not have the discipline for authorship, and was only given his position by his enabler editor wife who never took the red pen to his trash writing or challenged him to be better.
+--- 21985657
+>>21983481 (OP)
+Yeah it's enjoyable enough. Audiobook is probably the way to go because a lot of it is a slog, but there are some really cool parts too. I audiobook for slop and read more profound literary works.
+--- 21986859
+>>21983481 (OP)
+book 2 is fucking killer near the end, but it starts off slow. stick with it.
+--- 21987224
+So many chuds ITT seething over peak maximalist pulp literature LMAO
+--- 21987234
+Don't listen to retards who bitch and moan about "the slog" 12 times a day. "The slog" is just a cooldown period after the godly peak that is Lord of Chaos' finale and leading up to the godly giga-finale of Knife of Dreams-the 3 Sanderson books. Granted, there are "slow" parts in books 7-10 but there's always a payoff.
+
+In fact, I argue book 9 is like top 4 in the series. Best ending to any of the books, it'll move you to tears. And for as much as people bitch about book 8 with all the female POV chapters it's interesting they never bring up how godly Rand's part of the book is.
+
+Book 10 is admittedly kinda shitty for 2/3 of it but those last few chapters are so good and they set Perrin and the White Tower's plots on the right track which were 2 of the shittiest parts of the series up to that point.
+--- 21987256
+>>21983481 (OP)
+All my homies know The Great Hunt is the best WoT book, unironically. If you don't like it by now, I would give it a hard pass
+--- 21987258
+>>21985168
+>tolkienesque
+Should we tell him, anons?
+--- 21987262
+>>21985507
+Kek this shit has the potential for good copy pasta. Saved
+--- 21987266
+>>21987256
+fucking nothing happens for the first 2/3rds of the book. i agree that it's good, but that's only because the last third saves it hard.
+--- 21987270
+>>21985507
+>spend more time on Rand's bitching
+Does Rand ever stop complaining? It seems his one defining character trait is his anxiety so far in my read.
+--- 21987272
+>>21983481 (OP)
+>listened
+So you basically accomplished the same feat as a child in a daycare.
+--- 21987277
+>>21987270
+he has an edgy emo arc and then gets over it
+--- 21987281
+>>21987272
+>using my eyes instead of my ears makes me better than you
+--- 21987282
+I HAVE WON AGAIN, LEWS THERIN!
+--- 21987288
+>>21987281
+I'm sure you'll be excited to know that there is a new season of the show coming soon. Then you won't even have to use your own imagination!
+*claps*
+--- 21987291
+>>21987288
+the show was dogshit
+they gave the girls Tarwin's Gap for fucks sake
+--- 21987296
+>>21987291
+The aes sedai win that fight anyway in the books :0
+--- 21987302
+>>21987296
+what? rand wins that fight basically single-handedly, after he accidentally travels there while fighting baalzumon
+--- 21987314
+>>21987302
+Oh yeah, I just remembered one of the guys asking migraine to fight and just filled in the gaps with fiction 
+Heh nice
+--- 21987315
+>>21987302
+God tier moment. Love how it's mirrored in Path of Daggers.
+--- 21987322
+>>21983481 (OP)
+Feel free to fill this out while you're here OP. You'll need it for later.
+--- 21987348
+>>21985507
+absolutely based.
+--- 21987358
+>>21985507
+Dune is just a rip off of the Bible
+--- 21987380
+>>21983481 (OP)
+I'm going through this series right now too. I hate how the women are written. Can RJ even write a female character that is not an abusive mega cunt? I guess it's supposed to be humorous or something but it gets old real fast and you just wind up despising characters like Nynaeve and groaning every time a chapter with her in it comes up.
+--- 21987384
+>>21987266
+Agree to disagree. 
+
+ 1. Rand's crew going out to bring the horn to Illian, only to be sidetracked immediately. 2. Rand gets transported to the alternate worlds 3. New Forsaken appears
+4. A random heist because fuck you
+5. Cairhien kino scenes 
+6. Another heist
+7. The stedding and the portal stones
+8. Portal stone flicker scene
+9. Egwene and Nyaneve get sold to the Seanchan
+10. Seanchan invasion
+11. Rand duels the motherfucking emperor of Seanchan because fuck you (and wins)
+12. Based Ingtar subplot
+13. Hurin/Rand dynamics
+14. The battle at Falme 
+
+Either you got filtered hard or you don't remember much. I guess I'll give you that the beginning is a bit slow but a lot of shit happens in this book
+--- 21987401
+>>21987380
+Yeah, the women are rough. Nyaneve gets a lot better later on but the rest? Hoo-boy. I mostly skimmed a lot of the women chapters unless something important and interesting was happening or one of the other male characters converged with their stories
+--- 21987405
+>>21987380
+I think all the women in Wheel of Time are just Jordan's mother.
+--- 21987413
+>>21986859
+Nynaeve chapters without egwene are better
+--- 21987420
+>>21987405
+Yeah from the way he writes women I get the feeling there are some major issues there. It goes beyond incel dorkiness into like female dominatrix fetish territory. His marriage must have been..interesting.
+--- 21987461
+>>21987413
+Egwene is such a shitty person that to this day I still don't know if that was unintentional from Jordan (bad writing) or if he was actually trying to write her as dislikable (okay writing)
+--- 21987478
+>>21987384
+i read it quite recently. i found the cairhien arc boring, i only remember one heist, the one in falme, which is in the last 3rd, the first time they portal stone, where they end up meeting Lanfear, almost nothing happens outside of a grolm attack and seeing the big tower, and it lasts forever. Loial doesn't even use the quarterstaff that the book goes on a tangent about him singing, he throws it away when the large pack starts chasing them. some of the seanchan stuff was cool but i guess most of the stuff where it's just egwene and elayne and nynaeve filtered me.
+--- 21987488
+>>21987478
+Fair enough. I don't mind a slow pace so I actually found the worldbuilding and scene setting in those slow parts very fun
+
+But I agree on one thing, anything with Egwene in it is entertainment poison.
+--- 21987663
+He referred to them as
+>Swordsman
+>Blacksmite
+>Trickster
+--- 21987833
+>>21985507
+You had me until you started fellating Dune. It has a ton of issues too, and the only reason they're not just as annoying is that the pacing is fast enough
+--- 21987852
+If I ever re-read Wheel of Time I'm gonna skip every single female PoV and dreamworld chapter
+I re-read Sword of Truth once and skipped all the literally who PoVs that start getting introduced after the second book and honestly it was a much better experience than the first go round
+--- 21987854
+>>21983481 (OP)
+
+My brain is turning to paste trying to get through this series and I’m on Winter’s Heart rn. Unfortunately, its bloat is what gives the series its identity. It does get better the further you go in but I’m not really sure if it’s worth it so far because I’m at a point I want to get it over with. My personal book rankings not including New Spring;
+
+8>5>6>7>4=3>2>1
+--- 21987881
+>>21987852
+dreamworld is fucking gay and boring
+--- 21987905
+>>21987258
+Go for it.
+--- 21988011
+>>21987854
+Winter's Heart's ending is an all-timer.

lit/21983579.txt

@@ -281,3 +281,89 @@ You're wrong. Only white collar elites are allowed to unionize anymore.
 >>21984898
 >You mean the antivaxx strike?
 The strike lead by truckers over legitimate health concerns they had.
+--- 21985247
+>>21983579 (OP)
+Considering the quality of American movies and series, I thought they had been on strike for the past 6 years.
+--- 21985611
+>>21983579 (OP)
+>who petitioned the FBI and DOJ to shut down Zlib
+>the people who ruined my life are now being ruined
+
+fuck them. eat shit and die
+--- 21985614
+>>21983676
+>trash people producing trash products
+fuck them. let fresh blood in. enough nepotism. there are 14 year olds on wattpad more deserving.
+--- 21985626
+>>21984171
+OWS was derailed by the sudden flood of race baiting. they did it on purpose. and normies are so mentally deficient that they fell for it, and 15 years later still have no idea they've been fooled. 
+
+bankers are ruining our lives yet again and all they can talk about is the cultural representation of polydemiromantic nonbinary POC
+
+we had the fuckers cornered in 2008, then normies got brainwashed into hating white people, and the leeches crawled out of the fray and returned to bloodsucking
+>>21984749
+(((parasites)))
+--- 21985666
+>>21984688
+This is my general take on the AI problem. At least for now, it can only replace midwit shit. Which means it's catastrophic for the average hack "journalist" or "entertainment writer" or shitty twitter artist. All people who have no idea what actual artistry or skill is. Maybe in the future AI will create some truly compelling art, but so far algorithms have been unable to accomplish that. Art will return to being a privileged discipline (more so than it already is) where only the truly skilled can succeed. AI successfully annihilating midwit art unironically might end up being the best thing to happen to art in decades.
+--- 21985701
+>>21984699
+This isn't /pol/, views like that are fairly common. You also forget its 2023, and several posters are well into their 30s now and grew in success over the past few years. Not my fault you're a failure and can't see. If this was reddit, those posts would be filled with goofy statements. They also would not like it those posts either, they support things like the French protesters.
+--- 21985728
+>>21983588
+Along with the Pilot Union lol.
+Fuck the unions.
+--- 21985739
+>>21985728
+What was their stance on the vax, I know a lot of pilots lost their capacity to fly because of it.
+--- 21985914
+>>21983579 (OP)
+buy you're own books
+--- 21985928
+>>21983749
+yeah because the lower classes are stupid
+--- 21986442
+>>21984171
+The trucker protest was almost an exact copy of the labour strikes which led to the founding of the NDP in Canada.
+They even had enough money to create a sustained and powerful interest group/political party that could have had long lasting effects on the social and political landscape.
+
+The result was shutting down the bank accounts of even individual protestors and seizing assets. Think about that. It's no longer possible to even have a grassroots labour movement. Just vote for the same three WEF controlled parties and hope things are different this time.
+--- 21986624
+>>21986442
+>The result was shutting down the bank accounts of even individual protestors and seizing asset
+This will only grow worse with increasingly digital currencies and time limited vouchers
+--- 21987920
+>>21985666
+some of the most interesting and creative art is by crazy people who feel the need to do something, even though it requires sacrificing their social and financial situation. salvation mountain for example was built by a guy with little to no construction experience working over 30 years (on a first attempt that collapsed and a second attempt with knowledge he gained that's maintained by volunteers today). or templeos programmed by schizo terry who was very talented but wasnt paying teams of people like you normally would have to to create an operating system. i can't wait for the games, video series and other large team efforts that are now open to randos to do whatever they want.
+--- 21988130
+>>21987920
+anything done by a fervent christian is kino. the crusaders were also batshit
+--- 21988145
+>>21984447
+these people are rich enough to own their own trucks. they're not lower class.
+--- 21988149
+>>21984898
+>You mean the antivaxx strike?
+You had better not call yourself a leftist
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo13VR9C2uI [Embed]
+--- 21988154
+>>21987920
+nah man it's over for games and videos. Its over for creativity. To assume otherwise shows how sheltered you are
+--- 21988157
+>>21988145
+Congrats on swallowing propaganda you retarded fake leftist college student faggot. You are why the actual left died.
+--- 21988166
+>>21988157
+i'm right.
+--- 21988787
+>>21988145
+Having to work for your wage makes you a prole by default.
+The rich do work, but their defining trait is that passive revenue from their property is the vast majority of their income, or even just would allow someone to live without working.
+
+They have learned in the past century to not show off that they could be idle for the next thousand years without having to lift a finger, but they still could.
+--- 21988840
+>>21987920
+Good post but 30 years for that? It looks like shit.
+--- 21988845
+>>21988787
+okay but working class does not mean lower class.

lit/21983840.txt

@@ -39,3 +39,122 @@ Mike Ma’s books are not going to age well
 --- 21984810
 >>21983840 (OP)
 >putting Mike Ma and Bronze Age Pervert om the same category as Mishima
+--- 21984991
+>>21983878
+yeah only sun and steel is worth reading
+--- 21984996
+>>21984991
+>>21983846
+Yeah and only after reading most of his other stuff.
+--- 21985417
+>>21984380
+Omg no way!
+--- 21985431
+>>21983840 (OP)
+I own the bottom two and wish I never bought one of them.
+--- 21985453
+>>21984810
+I wouldn't even put Mike Ma and BAP in the same category.
+
+t. read Sun and Steel many years before BAM came out and liked both
+--- 21985538
+>>21983840 (OP)
+Redpill me on BAM
+--- 21985540
+>>21983840 (OP)
+PLEASE DON'T INSULT MISHIMA LIKE THIS BY LUMPING HIM IN WITH E-CELEBS.
+--- 21985543
+Why do these types like Sun and steel so much? There's better mishima books that talk about being strong and hard working/masculine
+Like the sound of waves for instance
+--- 21985637
+Only Mike's books are worth reading here
+throw rest in the trash
+--- 21985638
+>>21985538
+It’s like the only thing to come out of the 2016-2018 “alt right” sphere that’s actually interesting and I think it’s mainly because the guy who wrote it is clearly very well educated compared to the sort of trashy YouTubers that make up most of that internet political world.
+--- 21985662
+>>21985538
+its shit
+--- 21986321
+>>21985538
+BAP is a genuine scholar and like Mishima, he sees the problems of an over intellectualized right. He's trying to tell smarter right wingers to stop circle jerking with philosophical arguments and go to the gym. His big goal is to stop the mass migration of third worlders into first world countries and he thinks that western societies need to re-masculinize themselves to get there. BAP is also Jewish and subtly tries to imply that Israel is suffering the same problem and the far right shouldn't demonize them so much. From a /pol/ perspective it's like he's realized the golem went to far and he's trying to stop it.
+--- 21986386
+>>21986321
+>His big goal is to stop the mass migration of third worlders into first world countries and he thinks that western societies 
+Will he deport himself since he is a kike
+--- 21986477
+>>21986386
+No, he's not a nationalist. He's a white supremacist. Funny enough he's mentioned several times on his podcast that akshually the DNA evidence shows that European jews are basically Italian.
+--- 21986608
+>>21986386
+>he’s a kike
+I don’t care. Pathological jew hatred has sucked all the fun out of the far right and now it’s basically just a rehash of boring 90s skinhead hick retards. 
+
+One thing BAP hammers home is a promotion of elitism for the right that makes sense.
+--- 21986634
+What ever happened with Kantbot? He wasn’t really alt right at all, but was in that circle and was in videos with Sam Hyde and that no gf movie and was also on Red Scare, then he randomly chimped out and tried to doxx BAP unprompted and started defending BLM riots and kind of alienated himself.
+
+Iirc BAP implied that he was a pseudo intellectual and challenged him to write his own book which triggered him.
+--- 21986684
+hmph.
+--- 21986690
+>>21986634
+wydna00 on twitter i think, hes boring as fuck now
+--- 21987002
+subhuman trash literature
+--- 21987054
+>>21987002
+post physique
+--- 21987060
+>>21986634
+Sam and MDE has collaborated with a bunch of leftists long before the 2016 election and World Peace so it doesn't surprise me. Sam isn't as hardcore right wing as most people think he is.
+--- 21987064
+>>21985538
+pretty good, it's a summary of current popular online RW rhetoric mixed with ancient Greek philosophy written like Borat talks. It's funny at parts as well, BAP is a cringe rugged individualist but the book is good
+--- 21987094
+>>21986608
+BAP promotes elitism with a vision of a new Caesar, but I'd guess he actually means people like Peter Thiel or his coethnics in finance.
+--- 21987125
+>>21987094
+He’s spoken before of favoring Ancient Greek democracy, or popular rule of the elite. He says that the military dictatorship is the closest modern day version of this and always fantasizes about some colonel staging a coup.
+--- 21987131
+Imagine even being political when the establishment won many turns ago
+--- 21987140
+>>21983840 (OP)
+Harassment Architecture will be in future museums. Good or bad..
+--- 21987174
+>>21987125
+>tfw he will be the first to get purged
+--- 21987207
+>>21987125
+Yeah, that's the thing. He gives you an aesthetic of the ancient world and claims he wants a military order to cleanse the west or whatever. I don't claim to know what he really wants, but like a year and a half ago he was one of multiple right wing podcasters who just independently decided to interview Moldbug all at the same time. Moldbug is almost certainly getting pumped up by Thiel money. When it comes to economics, BAP always falls back to the basically the same post-ancap vision as moldbug, racist libertarianism with big corporations running everything. It seems like BAP and moldbug are two points where the online far right is being corralled back into a position that aligns easily with kosher conservativism while still seeming like edgy outsiders.
+--- 21987223
+>>21983840 (OP)
+How is Mishima "internet weirdo /lit/"?
+--- 21987292
+>>21987207
+>Theil 
+You are coming across as a dirtbag leftist complaining about Peter theil so much (the new boogeyman of that crowd) when it has really nothing to do with BAP. Him interviewing Moldbug, a pretty famous guy in the online fringe political scene, isn’t really suspicious and it’s insane to take from that this grand capitalist chud conspiracy.
+--- 21987294
+>>21983840 (OP)
+Way of Men, Barking at The Herd, Masculinity Amidst Madness (This one is BAP-endorsed)
+
+I expect we'll see more of this kinda shit in the coming years.
+--- 21987331
+Tbh i like BAP more than most right wing personalities, he is funny and recommends a lot of interesting books and other culture, but after spending a lot of time reading about classical antiquity per his recommendation I realized a lot of ‘dissident right wing’ shit is retarded infantile larping not at all different from communism and came out committed to the enlightenment and classical liberalism/republicanism.
+--- 21987635
+>>21987331
+The only thing the "dissident right" has any kind of hard opinion on is wanting to maintain a white majority in the West. Everything else is just LARP and memes, and people having fun in intellectual playpens.
+--- 21987860
+>>21987331
+The trick is to not throw out the bucket with the dirty water. Don't spend your life basing your views on negative reactions to the stupidity of the average person. One can have a healthy respect/yearning for their european heritage and not engage in twitter larp.
+--- 21987975
+That’s exactly the problem with this subculture though. People take the benefits of liberalism and abstract individual rights for granted, they’re willing to throw things like free speech, rule of law, and the right to not have your property arbitrarily seized out the window because of some outrage porn of trannies and race baiting shit on social media, as if that’s the inevitable result of granting people personal liberty and the right to make their own decisions. Most of this ‘degeneracy’ only exists in the first place because it’s subsidized by the state. And even then, people who complain about degeneracy end up splitting hairs and making a bunch of exceptions- there’s probably some transgressive art or music you like made by a leftist or jew or whatever that doesn’t jibe with your ideology and you’re forced to make some kind of convoluted justification or reinterpretation if you admit to liking it- it’s the same shit leftists do with right wing media, and it’s so tiresome. 
+
+The internet and the world at large was a better place during the tech bro libertarian era and you know it.
+--- 21987988
+>>21986634
+he's still around. he does a podcast that had some good episodes
+--- 21988072
+>>21984380
+He's into that whole Yale thing too, still like the book. Nice light reading.

lit/21983916.txt

@@ -15,3 +15,93 @@ House of Leaves is on my reading list. I usually read in electronic format. Is t
 --- 21984685
 >>21984661
 I suggest, if you don't have the physical version, at least use a tablet. A laptop is too bulky.
+--- 21985967
+>>21984661
+Physical or bust.
+--- 21986030
+Meme
+--- 21986075
+>>21983916 (OP)
+It's a gimmick that has lasting literary value
+--- 21986134
+>>21983916 (OP)
+Literally 2deep for most readers.
+--- 21986336
+>>21984661
+I started reading it on a laptop, then printed and bound it into 2 volumes. Physical is better – there was no difference for the first 100 pages, but later on paper book wins. I'm glad that I have spent over 50 hours on the whole thing, from printing preparations to the finish. Learned some bookbinding in the process and made a nice notebook for my mom.
+Somehow ended up with two chapters XXII.
+If you want to read on a laptop I can share a proper pdf/cbr.
+
+As for the book itself, a little underwhelming. Too much stylistic autism, too little actual content. But I still liked it.
+--- 21986404
+Any other book with original formatting other than stuff like Rupi Kauer's poetry?
+All I can think of is Apollinaire's Calligrammes.
+--- 21987163
+>>21983916 (OP)
+Gimmicky meme.
+>the text is sideways on this page! and there are several pages long footnotes about water pipes and shit! whoa so innovative and artsy!
+--- 21987199
+>>21983916 (OP)
+>lasting literary value?
+it's a "quirk chungus" of literature. 
+I enjoyed most of the typography, although some of it was completely pointless. Rambling pseudo PhD analytically anal analysis was killing most of the thrill every time there was some actual story development that elicited emotional response. Can't have that, you will read ze philosophical research with quotes from famous personalities, such as 
+John Milton
+Dante Alighieri
+Lee Sinclair
+Orson Welles
+Mirjana Gortchakova
+Lewis Marsano
+Erica Jong
+Anne Hooper
+Isaiah Rosen
+Helmut Kereincrazch
+Donna York
+Frances Leiderstahl
+Joel Watkins
+Hardy Taintic
+Samuel T. Glade
+Leslie Buckman
+Dale Corrdigan
+David Lidell
+Ascencion Gerson
+Chris Ho
+Dennis Stake
+Jennifer Caps
+Lester Breman
+Tab Fulrest.
+Something's wrong? You aren't getting filtered by all the smart words, are you?
+--- 21987210
+>>21986404
+--- 21987340
+>>21986404
+>rupi kaur
+>poetry
+we live in a sad world
+--- 21987470
+>>21983916 (OP)
+I dont know about lasting literary value but it's pretty fun to read, genuinely unique. I didnt really take it seriously but I enjoyed all the different parts, Johnny's descent into insanity, the navidson record itself, all the academic commentary. I didnt really care for the typographic tomfoolery that much but I guess it added a bit of flair. 
+
+As far as the themes go it is a bit jumbled. The house can be read as some kind of metaphor relating to personal psychology and the relationship between the husband and wife, but how this relates to the Johnny part or the meta textual thing idk. I mean Johnny is just a schizo is he not? His mother was anyway. So I'm not entirely sure what the author is saying about him or what Zampano means and the fictional(?) status of the record. The only real thread linking them all together is the combination of emotional alienation/isolation and the surreal or fantastical/fictional. But I don't really get what he's saying about this specifically, other than representing these varying forms of isolation with fantasy devices and then embedding them within each other. Or how this relates to the weird typography stuff, is that some sort of representation of the architecture of the mind being deformed? Anyone have more developed thoughts about these things?
+--- 21988028
+>>21984661
+you absolutely need a physical copy for this one. It's worth it; whether or not you end up "liking it", it is an interesting artistic experience.
+--- 21988044
+>>21983916 (OP)
+--- 21988049
+Can someone explain to me what gimmick means? Everyone uses it as a pejorative, but the things they're describing are always just unique and interesting, I can't figure out what makes gimmicks bad
+--- 21988056
+>>21983916 (OP)
+It's fun
+--- 21988060
+It's pretty good desu.
+--- 21988066
+>>21983916 (OP)
+Gimmick books are my favorite, this is probably the best out of all of them.
+--- 21988078
+>>21988049
+Essentially, that the book is hollow - that it lacks any real substance. It's like the ''as seen on TV'' gadgets that have what would have been an interesting feature, except that the gadget is defective in either design or materials and the primary function of it falls short of expectations. The ''interesting feature'' is not enough to stand on its own.
+--- 21988340
+I'll echo what other anons have said, there's no reason reading this in any way but with a hard copy.
+>>21988044
+Don't the footnotes lead you to her letters somewhere in the middle?
+I remember being sent on that detour long before the end of the book.

lit/21984412.txt

@@ -16,3 +16,65 @@ It's obviously the right angle bracket.
 --- 21984592
 >>21984433
 /lit/ might not like it but it's the semicolon. if someone uses it and uses it correctly they most likely have something interesting to say.
+--- 21985787
+>>21984585
+What is the right angle bracket supposed to convey? I've an intuitive feeling for it, but can't explain it.
+--- 21985853
+>>21985787
+It is something referred to outside of the thing itself. For example, if you're quoting someone, you would put some note about the quote itself in brackets so that the note is not thought to be part of the quotation.
+--- 21985856
+>>21984433
+The umlaut, even when writing in English.
+--- 21985858
+>>21985856
+Is that even a proper punctuation mark? I would consider it a diacritic
+--- 21985865
+>>21984412 (OP)
+Is 4chan the most reddit imageboard?
+--- 21985870
+>>21985853
+>anon explains greentexts as phenomena as opposed to nomena
+based autist
+--- 21985923
+>>21984420
+>a woman punctuation mark
+you're thinking of periods
+--- 21985925
+>>21985923
+fucking kek
+--- 21985936
+>>21985858
+meh, it modifies how something is pronounced. Close enough.
+--- 21986083
+>>21984585
+⟩right angle bracket
+I think you mean greater-than sign
+--- 21986521
+>>21984420
+>>21984412 (OP)
+, is peak reddit
+
+>>21984433
+>
+--- 21987070
+>>21985923
+Lmao
+--- 21987081
+>>21985923
+--- 21987446
+>>21984585
+>right angle bracket.
+
+>>21986083
+>greater-than sign
+
+The name is meme arrow.
+--- 21987454
+>>21987446
+But it`s neither a meme nor an arrow
+--- 21987455
+>>21986083
+It's operating more like an angle bracket than a greater-than sign. Fuck encoding supremacy.
+--- 21987495
+>>21984412 (OP)
+Using ellipsis outside of quotes is easily the most reddit. That and interjections are hallmarks of this awful behavior of making the written/typed word more like slangy speech.

lit/21984473.txt

@@ -34,3 +34,70 @@ OD on benzos
 --- 21984863
 >>21984473 (OP)
 Connect to Dionysus, create tradition
+--- 21985018
+>>21984473 (OP)
+Unironically dance.
+--- 21985037
+>>21984473 (OP)
+stupid frog poster
+--- 21985347
+>>21984473 (OP)
+You don't, you just keep shitting your pants until you die lmao.
+--- 21985355
+>>21984484
+Be a gay faggot "gentleman conservative" who always loses and is playing the heel in exchange for scraps from the table of the ruling establishment
+--- 21985471
+>>21984473 (OP)
+Unless you're part of the aristocracy fuck off
+That's his perspective
+--- 21985474
+>>21984473 (OP)
+You push the heckin stone, dont whine and be a bitch bruh
+--- 21985596
+Live, Laugh, Love
+--- 21985617
+>>21984484
+clean your member
+--- 21985627
+The nietzschean way to cope with suffering is to bang a hooker and get syphillis and die.
+--- 21985748
+>>21985596
+yassss
+>>21985627
+Also wash your penis bucko
+--- 21986862
+>>21985596
+Amor fati, amore farti
+--- 21987025
+bump
+--- 21987034
+>>21984473 (OP)
+You live a Dionysian life
+
+>>21984474
+>Petersonian
+see pic related
+--- 21987110
+>>21984473 (OP)
+Put a shirt on
+--- 21987136
+>>21984473 (OP)
+Grow up and realize there is no cope. Life is optional. If your life is full of suffering and you believe that the rest of your life isn’t worth living, you can always just kill yourself. It’s a rational decision in such a scenario.
+
+Anyways, buy a motorcycle. Motorcycle riders have more long term happiness than normies. Probably because they don’t fear death and they don’t sit around coping and moping, instead of doing what they want to do.
+--- 21987180
+>>21984473 (OP)
+Scream until you're exhausted or blood comes out. If you're exhausted you can sleep and if blood comes out you can occupy yourself cleaning it up.
+--- 21987346
+>>21984473 (OP)
+S.W.E.A.T.
+--- 21987356
+put some clothes on for fuck's sake
+--- 21987374
+>>21984473 (OP) (OP) #
+>>21984494 #
+>>21984831 #
+And how do i cope if the things that bring me suffering are my own past mistakes and the long forgotten injustices that nobody cares about except me? Also bad writing in movies and stuff, that shit's wack
+--- 21988817
+>>21984473 (OP)
+You don't.

lit/21984567.txt

@@ -5,3 +5,61 @@ What would you think if I were to illustrate your stories in anime-style? :)
 --- 21984605
 >>21984567 (OP)
 Post more art, and I'll consider it for the lulz
+--- 21985059
+>>21984605
+--- 21985312
+>>21984567 (OP)
+I would be positively thrilled if you did art for my works. I have a couple you could choose from, but from your animu style i feel my high fantasy smut may be the best fit. What do you say?
+--- 21985429
+>>21985312
+What's "high fantasy smut" for you?
+--- 21985481
+I actually think there's not an insignificant amount of crossover between the art and lit boards, I see some of the same stuff in both places. I wouldn't advertise an association with anime on here, though.
+--- 21985499
+You can’t draw like Sui Ishida.
+--- 21985544
+>>21985499
+I never claimed that. Would be nice though
+--- 21986505
+Bump
+--- 21987038
+>>21984567 (OP)
+I'm considering it, but I need to see more of your work.
+Post a drawing of a cube.
+--- 21987056
+>>21984567 (OP)
+I wrote a short story about a kasa obake. Was thinking of turning it into a picture book. Interested?
+--- 21987118
+>>21984567 (OP)
+This book is my bible
+--- 21987198
+>>21987118
+Holy shit, mine too!!! I even bought the previous Zakki :)) and the Japanese versions
+--- 21987206
+>>21987038
+>cube
+Why does that matter? It'll be beginner art anyway 
+
+>>21987056
+>kasa obake
+Nah, sounds kinda lame, sorry
+--- 21987214
+>>21984567 (OP)
+do you have a website or business email for inquires/commissions?
+--- 21988234
+>>21987206
+That's fine. I've been using stable diffusion and midjourney to illustrate my stories.
+--- 21988256
+>>21984567 (OP)
+i dont like anime
+--- 21988343
+>>21984567 (OP)
+>What would you think if I were to illustrate your stories in anime-style? :)
+It could be cool. Maybe lit/ is in need of its own in-house Doré. It also could push me to think more visually. I'd write specially for you.
+What do you like drawing?
+--- 21988679
+>>21987214
+Not yet...
+>>21988343
+>What do you like drawing?
+Girls, tragic or dramatic scenarios and landscapes!

lit/21984875.txt

@@ -1,3 +1,58 @@
 -----
 --- 21984875
 Who would you say is a writer that is (better than/as good as/nearly as good as) Pynchon, but on the opposite end of the spectrum in terms of style? Beckett?
+--- 21985000
+>>21984875 (OP)
+Anon, sorry to tell you this but this board doesn't care about Pynchon anymore. They just pretend to read Evola and Bronze Age Pervert.
+--- 21985202
+I'm no big brain so "opposite end of the spectrum in terms of style" really makes it difficult for me to answer. What exactly do you mean by it? 
+Opposite as in a classic novel rather than a pomo one? I'd say Don Quijote for the silly, goofy humor, or Swann's Way for the masterful prose.
+--- 21985285
+>>21985000
+>this board doesn't care about Pynchon anymore
+Finally, DFW next
+--- 21985415
+>>21985285
+DFW is for retarded millennials.
+--- 21986022
+>>21985415
+DFW is zoomercore THOUGH
+--- 21986156
+>>21986022
+The only thing less zoomercore than DFW is Chesterton. Zoomers are so antiintellectual that literally any artistic ambition, especially from a white man, is perceived as cringe. DFW still has a hard stigma from the guys who'd walk around with Infinite Jest title-out and namedrop him constantly, it's viewed as much of a red flag as dropping "faggot", among normies.
+--- 21986168
+>>21985285
+/lit/ hasnt enjoyed DFW since 2014
+>>21986022
+As if. Its for millenials.
+--- 21987584
+>>21984875 (OP)
+Hemingway
+--- 21987667
+>>21985000
+But I was just about to get into pynchon :( I got the crying of lot 49 and GR coming in the mail tomorrow
+--- 21987797
+>>21987667
+Read them. They're good. /lit/ is shit and sux cox
+--- 21988229
+>>21987797
+Yeah. Its used to be that no matter who the author was they’d get shit on with 4 exceptions: Homer, Shakespeare, Faulkner, and Pynchon. Try to say simething bad about one of them or their works and it seemed like all of /lit would rise up against whoever said it. Recently, and regrettably, it appears Pynch’s fallen of that list. I blame it on the influx of philosophyfags.
+--- 21988250
+>>21988229
+/lit/ doesn’t really care about fiction in general anymore. I’m sure a lot of anons still read fiction but few can discuss it on a high level. The swing in demographics and books over the last 10 years has been pretty drastic
+--- 21988258
+>>21988229
+Newfag. Faulkner and pynchon were never on the list. It has always only been classic authors because everyone here is an NPC
+--- 21988283
+>>21988258
+Nta but lots of contrarians have been here throughout the years. I can’t think of a single big name writer I haven’t seen shat on tons of times. Semi “classics” like Lonesome Dove seem to have an overwhelming positive reception, but they aren’t mentioned that often
+--- 21988327
+Raymond Carver
+--- 21988338
+>>21988283
+Those semiclassics don't get hate because few read them. Even then, Lonesome dove is exactly the kind of book the contrarians will like because it is a traditional western character yarn. If War & Peace was shorter and Anna Karenina not about a promiscuous woman they would enjoy the same universal love here. (but arguably wouldn't have been great books to begin with were they not what they are)
+
+Outside the philosophyfags, this board is mostly just NPCs with the most safe, vanilla taste possible. They take pride in enjoying Classics but don't realize that they're the ones least sensitive to what makes the Classics great.
+--- 21988396
+>>21988338
+I’m not even sure how a classic is defined anymore. Is it only the western cannon monoliths like homer, Shakespeare, Dante, etc? Is it big name authors like Faulkner, Hemingway, Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, etc? Is Lautreamont a classic? Henry Miller? Nerval? Vollman? Dreiser? JC Powys? Basically is any book older than whatever amount of years and still in print a classic?

lit/21984888.txt

@@ -71,3 +71,79 @@ Are troons going to lead the next revolution?
 >>21984933
 You are talking about a people whose religion claims to have a law for every single minute thing directly ordained by god, though. A lot of mainstream conservatives are also jewish, and IDK if you've ever been to the average youth party. Literal 13 year olds in my country, desperate for some sort of social baptism, are engaging in smoochfests at massive youth events organized by domestic artists. You get fun news of fingering and molestation from these events as well and in true prog fashion, progs employ themselves to fix their mistakes by doing shitty ideologue campaigns about toxic masculinity patriarchy and all that crap. In fact, I'm pretty sure a prog is very happy whenever rape occurs, it gives him the opporyunity to do this.
 It's easier to just state the truth and say that progresdivism, the very idea, is corrosive retarded.
+--- 21984961
+>>21984950
+No, but the state should definitely pay for trans surgeries. It's basically a voluntary sterilization program in disguise, and only retarded progressives are willing to sterilize themselves anyway. Hitler would approve. Just let your enemies kill themselves whenever they talk about trans rights you can agree wholeheartedly and they can't do anything about it but cope.
+--- 21984966
+>>21984961
+What if the state induced the mental illness through propaganda and hormonal poisonings?
+--- 21984979
+>>21984966
+Then the state is even more delusional than I thought and seeks to die. But no, I think these people seriously believe in what they preach. And rightists are already immune. A lot pf this stems from childhood trauma also, probably.
+--- 21984982
+>>21984956
+>You are talking about a people whose religion claims to have a law for every single minute thing directly ordained by god
+wonder why they need all these rules in the first place? totally not unrestrained or something.
+
+progressivism, conservatism.. doesnt matter. no matter to which ideology or theory you look to you will find an overrepresentation of jews. as a matter of fact modern day progressivism has been established to a large extent by jews and jews also coined many popular conservative ideas.
+the underlying problem is that the jews are as i said unrestricted thinkers, unhinged thinkers, radical thinkers that shatter foundations of societies. i assume that this is because they were always unprivileged minorities in gentile countries, so they developed a basic boundary-pushing anti-status-quo mindset.
+--- 21984987
+>>21984979
+One anon left an account of some research he'd followed on the effects of the HepB vaccine on neuronal development.
+--- 21984998
+>>21984982
+>wonder why they need all these rules in the first place? totally not unrestrained or something.
+Because they deem everything necessary to be legislated? Do you think an incontinent person even has the idea of doing such a thing. Have you read the way their texts describe such acts? Listen, antisemitism will never stop being ridiculous. Nietzsche knew this, de gobineu knew this, everyone with sense knows this. And modern day progressivism owes its creation to whites just as much if not more. You guya keep selling whites so short. Always the helpless victims who get dominates by the evil jews without even fighting.
+Also, i'm not a materialist. Ideology is more important than biology.
+--- 21985011
+>>21984987
+You mean that it induced impaired neuroplasticity?
+--- 21985128
+>>21984888 (OP)
+Just read Hitler and decide for yourself
+--- 21985156
+>>21985011
+He said that it seemed to affect sexual development and expression of it, said it seemed like led to effects on sexuality.
+And the HepB vaccine is possibly the most inexplicable choice to give to a newborn baby. as they have such a low risk of exposure
+--- 21985196
+>>21984998
+>antisemitism will never stop being ridiculous
+The overrepresentation is real.
+The censorship and demonizing of questioning that ingroup bias is real.
+The questioning of the place of Israel in the political framework of a foreign, non-jewish nation is real.
+All the areas that run propaganda, film, tv, news are headed by them. Social poisons like porn are head up by them. Circumcision to non-jews was pushed by them. The progressivism of tiday is funded by them. Eugenics and abortion? Look it up. BLM? Look it up. CRT? The goddamn fucking Frankfurt School, you canct get more Jewish than that. The Marxism behind the civil rights movement (that coinvidentally is never brought up in schools)? Look it up.
+Isn't the fact they're so prevalent in places where a group not your own controlling them is most dangerous yo you alone a valid enough concern? IQ doesn't excuse it and in fact emphasises the danger of supposedly superior beings running the lives of your people and nations.
+Whatever the narrative concerns about Whiteness that's bad, but it's good when the exact same things are applied to the Jewish people. The defence? Muh Holocaust (curious they keep relying on that as the sole pillar of zionism...)
+
+How is any of this ridiculous?
+--- 21985207
+>>21985196
+Literally any systemic injustice and imorrality we face today links back to a Jew regardless of a directionbrained leaning. They are all the bad neocons and all the bad neolibs. It is a facade to create the illusion of consent to whatever happens and a game of run around the core issue that'll likely require sonething now deemed "extreme so bad" on both "sides" of the ever shifting overton window. There's left and right and then there's actually right which goes beyond the theatrics of neoconservatism.
+--- 21985463
+>>21984916
+Normies will think it's more credible BECAUSE he's a jew
+--- 21985629
+>>21984888 (OP)
+reminder that the based Cesarano translated this into Italian
+--- 21985634
+>>21984888 (OP)
+A thread died for this
+--- 21985712
+>>21985463
+This, unfortunately.
+--- 21986120
+>>21984926
+>If Hitler was really a patient of the gender research institute
+That's a pretty big claim that would required hard evidence. During the WWII era, and a couple decades afterward, labelling someone a homosexual (or degenerate) was king of the smears (similar to the label of racist now). Propaganda during and after the war tried to use that smear continuously to the point that it became "problematic" when gays began to be accepted (Shirer's book gets criticized for it now but they don't bring attention to the fact it was researched based on intentional defamation smears). Books like >>21984916 use the propaganda from that period to build their narratives but in the current climate it's offensive to attach homosexuals to negativity.
+--- 21986210
+>>21984888 (OP)
+Sounds like Welhelm Reich without the fun orgone schizoposting
+--- 21987693
+>>21984888 (OP)
+i actually knew hitler
+--- 21987789
+>>21984933
+That's an actual thing. They have high levels of mental illness, due to inbreeding.
+--- 21987800
+>>21984888 (OP)
+Hitler being jewish seems extremely unlikely given his general temperament and personality. I cant think of even one Jewish person with that personality

lit/21984957.txt

@@ -1,3 +1,29 @@
 -----
 --- 21984957
 I made this post a while ago and someone gave me a great suggestion but I lost it, any help would be great
+--- 21986064
+Don't you mean theory of architecture? There really isn't much philosophy of architecture around.
+--- 21986275
+>>21984957 (OP)
+fuck I just listened to him today, what a coincidence
+--- 21987506
+>>21984957 (OP)
+There’s no such thing as philosophy of architecture, but some of my favorite books concerning architecture are Kunstler’s Geography of Nowhere, Koolhaas’ Delirious New York, and Jacobs’ Death and Life of Great American Cities.
+--- 21987517
+>>21986064
+Yea that's probably more accurate, the book I was recommended was a collaboration between a philosopher and an architect so I guess that's why I said it
+--- 21987815
+>>21984957 (OP)
+kandinsky - the spiritual in art
+--- 21988973
+>>21987517
+Derrida and Peter Eisenman, Chora L Works?
+--- 21988991
+>>21986275
+Sonic touchstones?
+--- 21988999
+>>21988991
+Don Cherry - OM SHANTI OM
+--- 21989002
+>>21988991
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52vRcMbYf-0 [Embed]

lit/21985012.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,226 @@
+-----
+--- 21985012
+I've just finished writing a proper 300 page treatise concerning a geopolitical strategy that would functionally reintroduce paganism into the world in accordance with the metaphysical system by rene guenon, AMA.
+--- 21985022
+Whom did you dedicate this?
+--- 21985024
+>>21985012 (OP)
+OK. Do you want to post a pdf, or just summarise it here?
+--- 21985046
+>>21985012 (OP)
+Post it on /pol/, I'm sure you'll go far.
+--- 21985074
+>>21985024
+Here's a summary I posted in another thread:
+There are certain regions of the world besides india (albeit india may play a role in this), like northern albania, ossetia, tuva etc., all of whom maintained a traditional unbroken chain of transmission, in ossetia, they have a rite of initiation, which albeit not properly practiced anymore, can still occur on account of the religious council (styr nykhas), wherein they have to memorize and interpret pagan epics called tsartsiat and daredzant to become a "kædagænaæg" (bard), in northern albania, certain tribal chiefs are required to be taught a certain amount of pagan folk traditions, laws and rituals like murana and fire rituals for pagan holidays like that of the spring equinox, which serves them to solidify their authority when acquiring chiefdom (although these rarely come into use nowadays due to their rural nature, though they still occur), tengrism would be the most blatant one, with shamanistic initiation taking place today just how they have thousands of years ago; all these should be viewed rather as pieces of a whole on one side, and as tools for a greater purpose on the other, on the one side, each of these traditions fulfills a necessary purpose in the died-out west-eurasian pagan-sphere, on the other they are separate, but an opportunity reveals itself in all of this, and that is that these are heterodox traditions, since, of course, theyre pagan, so in being able to apply these tools, one could form a metaphysical system from these traditions that would result in a syncretic, initiatic order, (similar to mithraism for example, which is the mithraic branch of zoroastrianism, combined with greco-roman polytheism) which would eventually form some sort of religion with an organized character in the cultural sense, and a heterodox one in response to that
+--- 21985095
+>>21985012 (OP)
+What if you made a gym, and called it "Temple of Hercules."
+--- 21985137
+will people wear funny robes in new paganism?
+can you share some designs for the new robes?
+--- 21985224
+>>21985074
+Im down, though Im sure the problem with synthesizing all of the traditions you describe is probably made difficult by gate keeping by elders that don't want initiates from other systems (even if they are similar or even the same but with different rites due to geographic limitations or what ever) becoming initiates and tainting their pure, one true system. So you are going to need to put together a teem of people for the heist of the century where they each go to one of these groups, become adepts in their traditions, and then later reconvene to compare notes and do the synthesis to one metaphysic (which shouldn't be hard if they really are as unsullied as you claim). Could be fun.
+--- 21985225
+We already live in neo--paganism, you have AI, social media personalities and "vibes". And metaphysics are dead, philosophy disconnected from political reality is just day dreaming.
+--- 21985396
+>>21985074
+>one could form a metaphysical system from these traditions that would result in a syncretic, initiatic order, (similar to mithraism for example, which is the mithraic branch of zoroastrianism, combined with greco-roman polytheism) which would eventually form some sort of religion with an organized character in the cultural sense
+I was following you up to this point, but this is one big leap in logic. Is your plan for reintroducing paganism just "make new hybrid religion and hope for the best"? How is that supposed to work? What is the actual geopolitical strategy?
+--- 21985450
+>>21985225
+>soulless materialistic modernity is... le paganism!
+--- 21985466
+>>21985396
+>What is the actual geopolitical strategy?
+Vatican type statehood with pagan zealot soldiers fighting to protect the ideals of true metaphysic. Influence policy everywhere in the same way that christianity has except in the interest of true harmony with reality instead of instantiating slave morality in the populace to protect material interests of the ruling elite.
+--- 21985744
+>>21985396
+I forgot to expand on this I guess, but you essentially adjust each religious component to the area to which you'd want to distribute it; you know how mormons have headquarters all over the world? Imagine something like that, but as an exclusive "mystical order"
+--- 21985753
+>>21985012 (OP)
+Questions:
+1) Why?
+2) Paganism based on whom??
+--- 21985790
+>>21985012 (OP)
+what 0 pussy does to a mf
+--- 21985794
+schizo thread
+--- 21985810
+>>21985466
+how is your religion not slave morality. What means do you have to create a military organization and why do you think anyone will follow your larping?
+--- 21985822
+>>21985012 (OP)
+Lol i'll smash your idols
+--- 21985823
+>>21985466
+Unlike ancient paganism, which famously did not protect the interests of the ruling elite.
+--- 21985860
+>>21985790
+George Castanza syndrome
+--- 21985886
+>>21985012 (OP)
+did this treatise explain how to the deal with the christians and muslims that will eventually go apeshit?
+--- 21985904
+>>21985012 (OP)
+300 pages to say “slava ukraini”
+--- 21985966
+>>21985810
+>why do you think anyone will follow your larping?
+Because they follow other peoples larping.
+--- 21985973
+>>21985823
+Anything can be used to protect the interest of the ruling elite. The point is that I wont use a religion based on the true metaphysic to protect the interest of the ruling elite. I would use it to align society harmoniously with reality.
+--- 21986066
+>>21985823
+I guess the hope is that a religion built on the true metaphysic (which will be self evidently true by enriching peoples lives by more harmoniously aligning their day to day with reality) would bread elites that would have interests that also aligned harmoniously with reality, and there fore perpetuate the ideals of the truth enriching the lives of everyone in the system, like in the republic but less retarded.
+--- 21986076
+>>21985810
+You are operating on an assumption that it will be larp but the goal is that it only gets implemented if the metaphysic better aligns peoples lives with reality, in other words that it is at least less of a larp than the current system.
+--- 21986081
+>>21985074
+Stopped reading at the parenthesis you made. Don't care only shitty writers and translators use them
+--- 21986100
+>>21986081
+Cool. The information isn't for troglodyte autists that care more about formatting than ideas anyway (ps you are a faggot).
+--- 21986131
+>>21986100
+You're ideas are retarded anon.
+--- 21986159
+>>21986131
+How would you know? You didn't (couldn't) read them.
+--- 21986183
+>>21985074
+There's a second birth described in Christianity which is in itself an initiation. What's the point in reinventing a wheel?
+--- 21986199
+>>21986183
+Read up on counter initiation. This idea assumes a Guenonian traditionalist world view is correct and seeks to test it by implementing niche pagan initiative practice that is better linked to the true logos than christianity on the world stage. If it works better than great keep it, if not revert to previous system.
+--- 21986338
+>>21986066
+I am not an esotericist but it really seems counter productive to syncretize many traditions in that sense. Don't you think they'd clash against eachother disharmoniously?
+--- 21986594
+>>21986100
+You don't care about how your writing is perceived? Yeah.. you aren't gonna make it in this industry buddy
+--- 21986666
+I'm sick of reading threads written by Guenon drones. His interpretation of world religions was garbage and the so-called Traditionalists are anything but.
+Enough already. Get some new material.
+--- 21986795
+>>21985074
+There are few viable ways to establish European paganism again. I am not sure if your approach with obscure religions is the correct one.
+
+To reactivate it, for starters you need to disable the idea is a LARP. While a LARP can eventually become the real thing, for an endeavor that hope/avenue isn't very productive. Better to just not start from this wrong foot begin with.
+What remains, then? Essentially just 3 methods:
+1. fully organic reemergence. This clashes with the aim being, well, an aim. So hoping for an organic reemergence is hoping for randomness.
+2. have some social/political leading administration, like a gov, sponsor it. This is a very productive way, but you need to be the government.
+3. re-infection from contemporary analogues. This is by far the best bet. Psychologically, the fact that it would be sponsored by a legit religion would circumvent most of the starting issues with re-introducing an old tradition.
+Concretely, this would mean an Indian (Hindu or Buddhist) spiritual movement would use, as its teachings, European paganism symbolism, mythology, values, histories, etc., interpreted as kind of "branching" from Hinduism adapted to the European land, or perhaps justified as some kind of "syncreticism" (it's not really, as paganism is of course dead, and syncreticism only makes sense if applied to extant mixing). A "Hindu" variant would be justified in that it's just reintroducing Indo-European polytheism, and a "Buddhist" variant would use as mythological/aesthetic base European polytheism, as per the general Buddhist syncreticism.
+--- 21986867
+>>21985074
+Your writing is childish. If the abstract is this bad nobody will read your treatise.
+--- 21986921
+>>21985012 (OP)
+At what point did you realize your life goals were meaningless and that you would be better off killing yourself?
+--- 21986971
+>>21986338
+I mean, considering that they all should be pulling from one self same reality, and are all claimed to be the closest ones the the actual logos still in existence, no. Ideally they will only be different in form due to regional differences, using those regions resources for there rituals for example. If there is a ton of conflict it is an indicator that one or more of the religions suggested had strayed too far from the logos to be useful. Some refining might need to be done if that is the case.
+--- 21986978
+>>21986594
+I'll be sure to keep that in mind, especially coming from someone who enjoys reading so much that they look for such pedantic excuses to avoid doing it. ()
+--- 21987156
+>>21986795
+>>21985012 (OP)
+>>21985074
+>to establish
+>again
+>restart
+You're a little late to the game, it's already been done. The AFA, YSEE, the gazillion Rodnover groups. This isn't something to re-anything, it's several living traditions. 
+
+Also, idk why you're using Guenon in this, he hated polytheism in general.
+--- 21987226
+>>21985074
+Re-read The Symbolism of the Cross, and pay special attention to the part where he delineates between syncretism and synthesis, arguing against the former and for the latter. I'm certain that what you're proposing is counter-Traditional. Also, Guénon's later writings are pretty doomer tier; I'm fairly certain that were he alive today he would say any such religion-making action is futile, which even in his own time he condemned (see: pic related), despite theosophy having many big brains behind it and greater manpower than you will ever get.
+--- 21987318
+>>21986867
+Loser faggot, get a job
+--- 21987324
+>>21987226
+Theosophy was a fabricated tradition, what OP is proposing is clearly different
+--- 21987338
+>>21985074
+I was coincidentally noticing myself recently that some of the tenets of the Ossetian religion are a lot like the Advaita Vedanta that Guenon was a big fan of, it's unclear from the internet though to what extent followers of this undergo any sort of sustained spiritual instruction about esoteric doctrines and principles
+
+>The Dzuary Lægtæ and Khetag Morgoyev define Assian theo-cosmology as a pantheism and non-dualism.[31] Assianism contemplates the worship of a supreme God, Xwytsau (Хyыцay), who is the creator of the universe and of all beings,[32] and is the universe itself, or the universe is "the body of God", comprising both the immanent material world of living and the transcendent spiritual world of God, where the dead make return.[4] It has "no tangible, personal qualities, nor extension in space and time",[33] and it is pure light.[4] The transcendent spiritual dimension of God is the "World of Light" (Pyхc Дyн, Rukhs Dun) or "True World" (Æцæг Дyн, Ætsæg Dun), while the immanent material dimension of life is the "Illusory World" (Mжнг Дyн, Mæng Dun).[4] The supreme God may be called upon by a multiplicity of epithets, including simply "Styr Xwytsau" (Cтыp Хyыцay), meaning "Great God", but also "Duneskænæg" (Дyнecкæнæг), "Creator of the Universe", "Meskænæg Xwytsau" (Mecкaeнaeг Хyыцay) and "Xwytsauty Xwytsau" (Хyыцayтты Хyыцay), meaning "God of the Gods".[34] Assian theology affirms that God is within every creature, is "the head of everything", and in men it manifests as reason, measure and righteousness (bar).
+
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assianism
+--- 21987352
+why would you waste so much of your time on complete nonsense?
+--- 21987594
+>>21987324
+How is OPs mishmash syncretism not fabricated?
+--- 21987628
+>>21985074
+>shamanistic initiation
+If you really knew what you were talking about, you'd know that "shaman" is exclusive to the Tungusic people. You fucking idiot, you absolute fool. Thread status: dropped.
+--- 21987705
+>>21987352
+Because we know. Clearly you don't but We do.
+--- 21988156
+>>21985074
+If you went to half of those places and even just called them non-abrahamic let alone actually tried to extract and consolidate elements of paganism from the broader cultural context, you would get lynched and your body would never be found.
+>Northern Albania
+Lmao yeah just try it
+Religious reformers of all kinds often fail to understand the context in which religious subgroups exist and thrive, which also naturally disincentivizes the complete dominance of those subgroups
+But that explanation's wasted on you, because you're obviously a huge larper coming from the same place as a paradox fan laying out political grand strategies for real life countries to follow
+--- 21988179
+>>21986795
+>Ok bro there's only three ways to escape the larp dungeon:
+>Method 3: this one is the best basically you have to be a new age offshoot sect of a real foreign religion
+Lmao + no shit + nigger are you for real?
+Actually your method 1 is the best because if it is the will of heaven, then it will come to pass. That concept is more compatible with historical and real paganism than "just do Blavatsky but better (nevermind thousands have already tried)"
+--- 21988237
+>>21985074
+>who is Evola?
+--- 21988368
+>>21988179
+Very possible something akin to (but it's never going to be the same) paganism might emerge in these trying times of digital revolution.
+
+It's a shame you can't do much futurology on /lit/ because/his/ is a shithole.
+--- 21988511
+Why is it all you video game brain-rotted ideologues think your brand of "here's what I'd do if I had top-down autocratic power to redesign society" is anything more than a impotent masturbatory fantasy? It's not literature. It's definitely not a religion (protip: your "religious" beliefs being downstream of flavor of the month political concerns is a sure sign that you are an atheist). It's not philosophy either since you just dogmatically assert things you want, like a grocery list or a terrorist manifesto. Maybe you should try your hand at science/speculative fiction. Imagine a future where, for whatever reason, your system got implemented, and things are still shitty. If you have any intelligence you'll realize how overclocking your favorite policy sliders can have unintended and counterproductive consequences which make your entire enterprise of altering human nature into a sandcastle in a tropical depression
+--- 21988530
+>>21988511
+>It's not philosophy either since you just dogmatically assert things you want,
+That's philosophy in a nutshell though
+--- 21988540
+>>21985012 (OP)
+I am sure 3 people would care about it anon good job
+--- 21988542
+>>21988530
+You don't read anyway. Providing a list of random religions you plan to hammer together for roleplaying purposes isn't philosophy.
+--- 21988565
+>>21988542
+Of course I do. Go read the Laws right now and then tell me it's not philosophy because Plato dogmatically asserts a bunch of laws and principles.
+--- 21988664
+>>21985074
+Seems like you misunderstood what an effective "initiation" actually constitutes, 
+You forgot to write about how these "tribal" and shamanistic initiations correspond to the process of "metaphysical realization" - Non-dualism because it doesn't seem like they do,
+It just seems purely cultural and already dead. Imagine being so retarded you misunderstand the importance of this, and go on writing a 300 page "treatise" RIP.
+--- 21988689
+>>21985074
+>unbroken chain of transmission
+Wait, why would this even matter? Your beliefs are supernatural, they will just automatically reappear when destroyed. Also:
+
+>rene guenon
+--- 21988955
+>>21988664
+I disagree with guenon on some parts; I can take my liberties
+--- 21988956
+>>21987628
+>>21988156
+Why do you pretend like I care about you?
+--- 21988958
+>>21988956
+>Cared enough to reply
+Why do retards keep saying "nobody cares" as if this shit wasn't figured out decades ago?

lit/21985036.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,340 @@
+-----
+--- 21985036
+What would you read to her / what does she read?
+
+Asking because I have a daughter that age.
+--- 21985110
+the cunnyseurs are on lit now?
+praise da lord
+--- 21985119
+>>21985036 (OP)
+Gateway to the Great Books
+
+https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_to_the_Great_Books
+--- 21985144
+>>21985119
+These books are old as fuck. I bet people in them write letters and ride horses lmao.
+--- 21985148
+>>21985119
+>>21985119
+I had found some of these at an antique store and forgot about them. I couldn't remember the name at all. Thank you so much!
+--- 21985296
+>that ugly pig face
+--- 21985978
+Cunny
+--- 21985989
+>>21985036 (OP)
+Why is she so brown? I guess it's true that every kid born after 2005 is some weird mystery meat hodgepodge. I see white in her, but also Asian looking eyes (bit of Filipino maybe) and Hispanic. Who knows though
+--- 21986008
+>>21985989
+She's Greek you fucking rube
+--- 21986010
+Fucking vermin fester in this site
+As for what books to read usually at that age they have preferences to the stories they like. Obviously school will provide some books that are less about deep thought and more about moral upstanding like Charlotte’s web and the giver. Simple to understand works that have a clear cut premise of “be morally righteous” in order to not raise the equivalent of human pitbulls. So besides the school curriculum find out what your daughter enjoys in terms of stories and find works that relate to that genre.
+--- 21986032
+>>21985036 (OP)
+Keep her away from Social media at all cost. Home school her , hire her teachers and isolate her from this disgusting petty bourgeois society of the abnormal creatures we live among. 
+
+>pic 
+Her parents deserve to be castrated, and her to he taken away from them by the government.
+--- 21986047
+>>21986008
+Greeks don't look like that lmao. Pic related is what a Greek female should look like.
+--- 21986069
+>>21986047
+Not that it matters because this thread is about to get pruned
+--- 21986093
+>>21986069
+Yes, thank you for proving my point that Greek women don't look like that girl.
+--- 21986132
+>>21986093
+Ohhh you're a loser and winning this is so important to you that you will literally lie to yourself completely to have this one bit of confidence salvaged from the wreck of your life.
+--- 21986139
+>>21985144
+>These books are old as fuck.
+then they aren't pozzed. perfect.
+--- 21986146
+>>21986132
+Lmao you pseuds are so petty and can't admit that you lost an argument. Even something as pointless as this. I bet if it was the other way around and I lost, you would think it mattered more than anything in the world, like all pseuds do.
+
+Here is the train of the argument:
+I claimed that girl looked Asian/Hispanic.
+You claimed she's Greek.
+I told you what a Greek woman should look like.
+And then you posted a picture of Greek women who look EXACTLY like the example I posted and nothing like the girl in OP.
+
+I know you're flustered because your retardation will be preserved in the /lit/ archive for all time, but have some dignity and admit you are wrong. It makes you better as a person and strengthens your character.
+--- 21986148
+>>21985119
+>>21985144
+>>21986139
+>then they aren't pozzed.
+
+>editted by Mortimer Adler
+I stand corrected
+--- 21986161
+>>21986146
+Wow you wrote all that. Like you actually wrote all of that in response to the ethnicity of a girl you will never know or see in real life because you think Deanna Troi from Star Trek is what a Greek woman should look like.
+I just..haha I just fucking can't hahaha
+--- 21986178
+>>21986161
+It took about 15 seconds. I know you zoomers think writing is a chore, but it's easy for smart people.
+--- 21986196
+>>21986178
+Yeah alright
+You remind me of uh Jordan Schlansky
+I been watching a lot of Conan lately
+--- 21986197
+>>21986161
+What was your endgame dude?
+>Ahhh yes! I will show him! He thinks Greek women are supposed to look like Greek women, and I will prove him wrong by posting a picture of women who look exactly like the example he gave! Surely this
+Lol. Lmao even. Like, please help me understand your zoomer brain. Help me understand why you took time to google "Greek women" and even though you clearly saw that the women in the Google search prove me correct, not only took a screen shot, but actually clicked "post" as if it was some kind of visual checkmate.
+The argument is no longer about this dumbass topic. It's about your level of thought process. I just have to understand why you thought that somehow won the argument. Please help me understand the extent of zoomer retardation.
+--- 21986214
+>>21986197
+>Like, please help me understand
+>I just have to understand why you thought that 
+>Please help me understand
+Greek women have dark complexion and the girl in the OP has no facial traits of a Hispanic or Asian heritage
+More of a Mediterranean look which can be closely associated with Iranian or Syrian features or, in this case, Greek.
+--- 21986219
+>>21986214
+You're retarded. She's not Greek, and she's probably Polynesian or some shit.
+And if in fact she is Greek, I ask why you know this and why you are on 10 year old girls' tik toks.
+--- 21986222
+>>21986219
+This interview is over.
+Clean it up jannies haha
+--- 21986238
+>>21985144
+riding horses is better than riding cocks in all honesty
+--- 21986266
+Mods, cmon.
+--- 21986469
+This is the best thread on /lit/ this year, unironically.
+--- 21986488
+>thread about Dubliners archived with 0 replies
+>video of a little girl generates multiple pedophilic responses and a heated argument over her race
+Silly me, all this time I thought the /lit/ stood for literature, but now I see that this is actually the /lit/tle kid fuckers board. My apologies. Carry on.
+--- 21986590
+>>21985036 (OP)
+Lolita, then ask her if HH was innocent or not
+--- 21986644
+>>21985110
+>>21985370
+>>21986222
+>>21986266
+Why are you sexualizing her? It's literally just a cute girl having fun and a dad asking for books.
+
+Fucking pedos.
+--- 21986659
+>>21985036 (OP)
+Stop sexualing minors
+--- 21986670
+>>21986644
+You're right. We should get serious and discuss what kind of books this young girl would read.
+I think maybe Harry Potter or probably like uh..the Young Wizards series
+Yeah.
+>>21986666 →
+What do you think mega Satan?
+What book would she read?
+--- 21986673
+>>21986644
+She does a twirl and raises the dress up bro . Jenny's let's go
+--- 21986696
+>>21985036 (OP)
+Inquisitor, First Edition
+--- 21986708
+>>21986673
+She’s modeling it and showing there are shorts as part of the dress. She isn’t displaying the goods
+--- 21986710
+>>21986708
+You're a pedophile
+--- 21986714
+>>21986710
+Whoever uploaded this on TwatCock is the pedophile. This poor fellow here >>21986708 who has been consigned to serve in the bomb collar squad under my command is merely a victim of fortune.
+--- 21986752
+>>21985036 (OP)
+you wouldn't put your daughter on this place of degenerates, don't put someone else's daughter on here. On the other hand, you could give her some Lemony Snicket and Charles Dickens, graphic novels as well, books from the movies she likes
+--- 21986765
+>>21986752
+She likes Lemony snicket. Do you know other similar authors with similar humor and unpredictability?
+
+I'm ignoring the pedos.
+--- 21986894
+>>21985296
+that's a child anon
+--- 21986963
+>>21985036 (OP)
+You have posted a video of a child
+--- 21987047
+>>21986963
+Are children having silly fun not allowed in this world anymore? Grow up.
+--- 21987097
+>>21987047
+she is brainwashed and emulating the corporate narrative of consumption, this is a forest dweller who has been cruelly taken from her natural habitat and intellectually gelded.
+--- 21987102
+>>21985036 (OP)
+Introduction to Computational Chemistry by Frank Jensen
+One of the best introductory textbooks of the field, it is a must read for anyone trying to get into computational chemistry.
+--- 21987113
+>>21986644
+Why the fuck would someone post a picture of a little girl twirling on a lit board. Place is full of it, I did the "roll to read a random /lit/'s book" and first one I rolled was a pedo novel about dating a 14 yo girl. Shit was gross
+--- 21987119
+>>21987113
+>pedo novel about dating a 14 yo girl.
+Name?
+--- 21987123
+>>21987113
+>dating a 14 yo girl
+>gross
+Conditioned response aka your heterosexuality is weak aka your will to power is smaller than your will to fit in aka you're a fag.
+--- 21987152
+>>21987123
+Pedo Neitzchean Fan confirmed
+--- 21987177
+>>21987152
+A pedophile is a man who is attracted to pre-pubescent girls. I don't even hate actual fags but guys like you who get their very biology from arbitrary laws lobbied in by undersexed women less than 2 generations ago and then act touchy enough about it to moralfag over it publicly disgust me immensely.
+--- 21987279
+>>21987177
+Well I'd pick another pervert minority to moralfag over if I were you, adopting the one out of them all that's going to get you stabbed pretty much anywhere on the planet seems more to me like a circumcision induced mental problem.
+
+Anyway if you want to fuck toddlers..
+--- 21987299
+>>21986032
+>her to he taken away from them by the government.
+t. government employee tasked with handling little children
+--- 21987412
+>>21987279
+god damn you are stupid
+--- 21987451
+>>21987412
+>you are stupid
+Well god damn that's convinced me! Wow, that was such a clear point-by-point refutation of my case.
+
+Hahaha, it's funny meeting actual psychopath criminals (a literal pedophile) who use the exact same language and display the exact same thought patterns as the other people I argue with on here. "I'm stupid" for proving you in error (and stupid), and you can't even defend yourself about, just replies with low-brained projection.
+
+I'm starting to think this is how people were selected for the gulag; it's like: if you're found guilty of one thing then a dozen other things follow as to your proclivities.
+--- 21987577
+>>21987451
+You're stupid because you didn't prove shit retard. There's nothing to defend because I literally said the opposite of what you insinuate (that I want to fuck toddlers.) God damn you are stupid.
+--- 21987583
+>>21987451
+>display the exact same thought patterns as the other people I argue with on here
+Btw have you considered that you're just significantly lower IQ than the people here? I can tell from your spelling mistakes alone, let alone the content of your posts.
+--- 21987633
+>>21986765
+I don't, but if she likes sagas maybe rise of the guardians or Narnia
+--- 21987655
+>>21987583
+His typos indicate that he is upset. This retard is LIVID. Especially considering his form of morality hasn't existed for more than 60 years.
+--- 21987656
+>>21985036 (OP)
+> lust provoking image
+--- 21987658
+Only humbert humberts today.
+--- 21987679
+>>21986752
+The people who follow those accounts on tiktok are much worse than your average 4chan poster lol
+--- 21987823
+>>21987577
+>You're stupid because you didn't prove shit retard
+So you aren't defending pedophilia? I mean.. you've admitted you are a pedophile ..so.. what have I failed to prove? 
+
+>>21987655
+>His typos indicate that he is upset. This retard is LIVID
+Add delusional projection to the list of debate tactics held by christians and pedophiles. This is a gold mine, right here.
+
+Actually your use of a 20 yr old tactic "let's pretend the person who's shown me up as a goofy motherfucker is 'very very angry'" shows your old age. I suppose you're going to accuse me of being a bra and that I'm mad, next.
+--- 21987838
+let's go through point by point what the pedophiles positions are in this thread,
+
+>>21987123
+>if you think committing statutory rape against a child is disgusting then you're a homosexual.
+>you are weak if you value morality above "will to power"
+
+>>21987177
+>you are moralfagging to be disgusted by childgrooming and child rape.
+
+>>21987412
+>(people who call me out for this) are stupid
+
+>>21987577
+>(i deny i am a pedophile)
+>(people who call me out for this) are stupid
+
+>>21987583
+>(people who call me out for this) have made a spelling mistake
+
+>>21987655
+>hello my fellow pedophile, the retards who cite the law to you are livid.
+--- 21987856
+>>21987838
+>>>21987123
+>>if you think committing statutory rape against a child is disgusting then you're a homosexual.
+>>you are weak if you value morality above "will to power"
+You know, Imissed this one earlier. The pedophile isn't even doing the gay angle, where he pretends he's romantically in love with the child he's brainwashed and sodomized, he's actually the point that power fantasies about raping a child is what it's all about.
+
+Even the most depraved american lawyer couldn't get these guys off of the charge after having admitted to that. I sure hope local law enforcement is monitoring this.
+--- 21987870
+>>21986032
+Pedo detected.
+--- 21987917
+>>21987838
+I hate pedophiles, but what I consider a pedophile is determined by biology not the law, plain and simple. Just like there are 2 sexes. That's all there is to it. Notice how I never mentioned OP's bait clip.
+>statutory
+That's the thing, your entire morality is statutory (look up what that word means) because you are a subhuman npc.
+--- 21987928
+>>21987917
+>a pedophile is determined by biology
+Oh jesus, you're one of those who thinks that a sex act is determined by your genes? No, anon, perverted acts of rape are the product of child abuse and sexual repression.
+
+Your dog brained need to insist you're intellectually competent and that detractors citing the law to you are subhuman is a symptom of your cognitive disorder, mr simple as, which is called schizophrenia and requires your urgent dragging into a van and taking to a location to have your typing-fingers twisted off at the joints.
+--- 21987934
+>>21987928
+What are you even saying ESL?
+--- 21987946
+>>21987934
+I'm saying that decrepit spoiled manchildren such as yourself need to be taken and hung by the tree and just whipped; it's worthless to attempt to speak with you. A bath in sulfuric acid would also be a fun option.
+--- 21987952
+>>21987934
+It's nice to know, as this thread goes on,that we've identified the chronic poster "mr simple as" as a pedophile apologist.
+--- 21987967
+>>21987952
+lol I'm not a pedophile, I'm a libertarian. I believe in localised mob justice for pedos (which is usually much harsher btw), not federal. chimp out more
+--- 21987991
+>>21987967
+>chimp out more
+And now you've revealed yourself as a neo-nazi. Keep using localized insults which tell us more about your political crimes, citizen, it will assist in prosecuting you later down the line.
+
+>libertarian
+ah, so you're a capital hill insurrectionist to boot??! goodness gracious, it'll be bird shit bay for you at this rate.
+
+reveal some more federal (or international) crimes, citizen.
+--- 21987998
+I just find it kind of funny how hating pedos, which every sane person naturally does, has become a real personality trait among terminally online npcs. Kind of like when braindead women have "I love food" in their tinder bios. Is this apologetics?
+--- 21988002
+>>21987991
+What are you talking about kek
+--- 21988027
+>>21987998
+Oh come on, it's fun. They're like fat people in that they're the one socially acceptable group we can still send death threats to.
+--- 21988061
+>>21988027
+No, it's just another neurotic feature of modernity. No society has ever had this much of a moral panic over pedophiles, even though I'm pretty sure rates are lower now. It also speaks to how gynocentric the west is that the greatest moral outrage we can think of is a man getting with a 17 year old while glaze over daily at murder and peak degeneracy. To me this is 100% not about protecting children but the egos of childless feminists. Is this apologetics?
+--- 21988109
+>>21985036 (OP)
+little brat needs a spanking
+--- 21988122
+>>21987113
+>pedo novel
+im assuming youre talking about Lolita, in that case I advise you read more newfag
+--- 21988128
+>>21988061
+pedos love to trot out this picture even when the girl in the picture/webm that sparked the whole argument is like 10 years old.
+--- 21988564
+>>21986148
+whats wrong with mortimer adler? I am enjoying his book on how to read
+--- 21988598
+>>21985296
+This post made me rethink if I should hang around you toxic incels who sexualize everything and/or post-ironic clowns with no identity.

lit/21985105.txt

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+-----
+--- 21985105
+I was reading On Ancient Medicine yesterday and Hippocrates says that knowledge of the body depends upon knowledge of the whole man. Of course, though not acknowledged directly this is a direct quote from Socrates in the Charmides. It is really cool to read a writer from antiquity and see the influence which Platonism had on him even if it id not directly acknowledged.
+--- 21985880
+>>21985105 (OP)
+>Platonism
+Is this bait?
+--- 21985898
+>>21985105 (OP)
+Nigga, what do you think "Classical education" means? Niggas would just recite muh Greeks up until the French Revolution where it was replace with the plebeian "trade school" education where everyone only cares about what jobs the education gets, not about the education itself.
+--- 21987674
+>>21985880
+>>21985880
+No
+--- 21987678
+>>21985898
+Hippocrates was a bit before the idea of classicl education though since he lived contemporaneously to Socrates and Plato himself. It is much more like being influenmced by a fellow philosopher.
+--- 21987686
+>>21985898
+It is just cool to me that I was reading a different philosopher and he was discussing an idea and I knew immediately not only that it came from Socrates but which dialogue specifically he had said it in.

lit/21985109.txt

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+-----
+--- 21985109
+red-pill me on ending writer's block
+--- 21985184
+>I write when I can and I don't write when I can't; always in the morning or the early part of the day. You get very gaudy ideas at night but they don't stand up. I found this out long ago . . . I'm always seeing little pieces by writers about how they don't ever wait for inspiration; they just sit down at their little desks every morning at eight, rain or shine, hangover and broken arm and all, and bang out their little stint. However blank their minds or dim their wits, no nonsense about inspiration from them. I offer them my admiration and take care to avoid their books. Me, I wait for inspiration, though I don't necessarily call it by that name. I believe that all writing that has any life in it is done with the solar plexus. It is hard work in the sense that it may leave you tired, even exhausted. In the sense of conscious effort it is not work at all. The important thing is that there should be a space of time, say four hours a day at least, when a professional writer doesn't do anything else but write. He doesn't have to write, and if he doesn't feel like it, he shouldn't try. He can look out of the window or stand on his head or writhe on the floor. But he is not to do any other positive thing, not read, write letters, glance at magazines, or write checks. Write or nothing. It's the same principle as keeping order in a school. If you make the pupils behave, they will learn something just to keep from being bored. I find it works. Two very simple rules, a. you don't have to write. b. you can't do anything else. The rest comes of itself.
+t. chandler
+--- 21985194
+Write the part that’s the most interesting to you first. If the ending is something you are thinking about start there instead of trying to force yourself to be interested in the beginning.
+--- 21985198
+Write 500 words every day
+--- 21985208
+>>21985184
+So who’s a better writer, chandler or Hemingway
+--- 21985676
+>>21985109 (OP)
+Just write.
+Also, start with the sentences that you know, instead of trying to trying to write sentences that you don't know; there's always something in your mind, start with this and proceed from here, even if it's a dumb thing like: "He used to love bacon and fries."
+The writer's block mainly consists, at least for me, in some kind of belief that what I write should always be at least somewhat good. If I let myself write the dumbest shit though, I get over the block instantly.
+--- 21986009
+>>21985109 (OP)
+Just write.
+--- 21987326
+Side question
+If you had to put a number on it, how many books do you need to read before you get the right to write on yourself? MInd you may believe the number changes depending on the type of books but come up with a number.
+--- 21987350
+>>21987326
+hmmmmm 250-300 novels?
+--- 21987379
+>>21985109 (OP)
+All you have to do is ask questions and answer them. You are stuck because you don't know what to do next, but deep down you have convictions that can guide you into the truth. You set out to write something but you don't know how to explain what you're feeling yet. Trust yourself that your feelings can be clarified, even if you have to explore and discover them through the writing itself.
+If you are in a scene and you don't know what they will say, then you need to start asking questions about the characters that are there. This may lead you to ask questions about what will happen if other characters are there. It may lead you to ask why you have the characters in your story at all. And the more clarity you begin to have with these story elements, the more obvious your story becomes.
+If you keep getting stuck on the exact wording of something, mark it and then keep going. Catch in the next draft. It is better to have a first draft done than a perfect chapter 1, because you may redraft chapter 1 anyways.
+--- 21987395
+>>21985184
+I like this.
+--- 21987464
+>>21987350
+You mean I have to spend another 3 years reading?
+--- 21987465
+>>21985109 (OP)
+Do NOT write
+--- 21987578
+>>21987326
+30 good novels is enough to begin, if you didnt have your tastes destroyed by anime or marvelslop
+--- 21988274
+>>21985109 (OP)
+It’s mainly people who aren’t writers who suffer from the so-called writer’s block; I mean specifically a normal person who decides to sit down and write something with no game plan or who doesn’t write regularly. In my experience writer’s block isn’t something that happens to actual writers. Actual writers have all kinds of tools to deal with what quickly becomes a non-problem: they structure and outline stories before writing them; they’re jotting down ideas as they come to them to use during their writing sessions. They have a plan and don’t just sit down and expect inspiration to hit them like a lightning bolt. It doesn’t work that way (or at least not often), and I doubt anyone could make much of a living as a professional writer if it did. Sure, a lot of writers have prodigious imaginations, but a lot are probably about as imaginative as you are, they just understand how to actually leverage the imagination they have. 
+
+If you’re having a problem with not knowing what to write, spend a couple of days creating a story outline. Write down how the story starts, where it’s going to go. Write out descriptions of your characters for yourself; create bios for them before you start the story. Once you do all this, writing the story becomes easier because you have a blueprint. Amateurs like to go on about how outlining and structuring stories stifles the creative process, but these people don’t usually seem to be creating much of anything. (Don’t worry, there’s room for spontaneity. It will happen along the way naturally and influence your story as you become more familiar with your own characters, but the entire story shouldn’t be extemporaneous anymore than the construction of a building should be extemporaneous. Imagine the builder of a house talking about how blueprints stifle the construction process. It would sound nonsensical.) Once you make your blueprint you’ll never have full on writer’s block since you’ll always know what direction you’re headed in.
+--- 21988288
+>>21985109 (OP)
+Maybe help start a revolution like Yeats did and you won't have such problems with your blockage.
+--- 21988300
+>>21988274
+Yeah, man. Also, I have tons of pages of notes for things that never got used. If I need something then I can just head back to the pile.
+--- 21988303
+>>21985109 (OP)
+Drink more caffeine. Take it with plenty of sugar though. The brain is a glucose furnace
+--- 21988422
+>>21985109 (OP)
+Have a character regardless of being side or main burst into a room firing a gun or some other projectile weapon. You can have that person use a dagger or knife instead depending on setting.
+--- 21988594
+>>21985184
+Nigga only jobless nerds have the time to wait for inspiration

lit/21985164.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,264 @@
+-----
+--- 21985164
+drama aside, has anyone actually read this? I picked it up and enjoyed it. What are your favourite stories? The worst?
+--- 21985166
+>>21985164 (OP)
+the ship story, ogden's one and traffic stop are all high calibre kino classic
+--- 21985172
+you should read some of the reviews on amazon, they're hilarious
+--- 21985178
+>>21985172
+qrd?
+--- 21985180
+>>21985164 (OP)
+The ship story is the best
+--- 21986044
+>>21985164 (OP)
+when's Ryan/&amp releasing the video review?
+--- 21986065
+>>21985164 (OP)
+I don’t read schlock written by retards for retards, let alone retards spending money to get a MFA at the university of florida kek
+--- 21986162
+>>21985164 (OP)
+It's kino. Shame your press is getting a bad rep because the quality is there. I'd expect this place at the very least to respect the only mag I can find that isn't pozzed black transgender queer working class slop, because this is it.
+--- 21986166
+>>21986065
+wdhembt0sjwwv
+--- 21986176
+>>21985164 (OP)
+>ai gen cover
+That's gonna be a no from me, dawg
+--- 21986184
+>>21986162
+Have you considered reading actual books so you would not think dogshit is actually good, unless you’re simply retarded and will never know what constitutes good writing.
+--- 21986204
+>>21985166
+>wine
+good morning miss blackcastle
+>>21986044
+I think he's prioritizing it and trying to get his own issue out in June. Besides the stories /lit/ tells, I really like to hear the /lit/ authors talk to each other about writing, no matter who it is. Always comfy.
+--- 21986208
+>>21986162
+Unreal Press is known mostly for their strong association and praise of F. Gardner, so consequently anything they write will be presumed to be of similar dogshit quality
+--- 21986216
+>>21986162
+>respect the only mag I can find that isn't pozzed black transgender queer working class slop
+Bro you need to touch grass.
+--- 21986221
+>>21986184
+quit seething spandex boy
+--- 21986225
+>>21986221
+Have you made your tuition payment to UofF’s MFA program, bud? At the end of the day, you will still be a shit writer — just even more pathetic than you are now.
+--- 21986230
+>>21986065
+what did he mean by this
+--- 21986236
+>>21986230
+The most intelligent unreal reader
+--- 21986237
+>>21986225
+Who are you talking to? Is this some bizarre eceleb lore I'm not aware of or does this guy just really hate the U of florida
+--- 21986243
+>>21985166
+Mariana is actually pretty good. The descriptions of the elaborate meals that the officers were eating in the beginning sort of messed with my immersion though, because they weren’t period-accurate at all and were described using language that seemed very modern and reminded me of contemporary food critics. If you’re writing something that’s meant to be the diary of someone living in the 19th century, you really need to have a good grasp of the stylistic conventions and tone that people used in that period. I’d give it a 7/10. The premise of Traffic Stop was fine, but the writing in the first part of the story was noticeably clumsy and awkward. If I remember right, it got somewhat better as it went on. I’d give it a 4/10. Ogden’s story was reasonably well-written but the character’s psychological deterioration was unconvincing. In general, he included a lot of unnecessary details that cluttered the story and contributed little to my impression. I’d give it a 6/10.
+--- 21986256
+>>21986243
+>muh period accuracy
+nah but I actually agree. I feel like I missed the point of Traffic stop but i liked it. Have to read Vestigal or whatever its called heard good things
+--- 21986260
+>>21986256
+>missing the point of a story written by a downie
+Hoky kek unrealtards are hilarious
+--- 21986271
+>>21985164 (OP)
+Unreal needs to just make another volume already. Clearly this vol caught on. The stories are good. At the least effort was put into them and the authors have potential. Except the author of KGB agents. Unreal right now gives the vobe of guy who peaked in highschool slobbering over his football trophy. Need to make more stuff and the stories will undoubtedly improve.
+--- 21986273
+>>21986260
+g
+--- 21986283
+Twin Candles was my least favourite of the stories in the collection. It was boring and overlong with no payoff in the end to justify any of it. It wasn’t scary in the slightest. It was full of irrelevant details, and the characters were cringe-inducing and pointless. On a stylistic level, the writing was flawed and amateur. He seemed to be trying for some sort of symbolism or foreshadowing with the twin candles motif, but he did nothing with it. I’d give it a 2/10. It’s a shame that MacNaughton is the guy running Unreal Press these days, because he’s neither a charismatic host nor a competent writer.
+--- 21986300
+>>21986271
+Actually, KGB agents was another strong contender for my least favourite of the stories. I can’t even remember the specifics of what I disliked about it, but my general impression was that it was boring and cringeworthy. Another 2/10.
+--- 21986301
+>>21986283
+I'm sure he has potential. Twin Candles is the same tier as some pennsylvania lit mag. The fact is most writers included in the unreal anths are already better writers that ninety percent of surface land female literary journal writers
+--- 21986307
+>>21986300
+seethe about it. What have you ever written?
+--- 21986312
+>>21986307
+chill dude. Take the criticism on board for future writing
+--- 21986335
+>>21986065
+truly a post ahead of its time
+i decided to enroll at UoF due to this
+--- 21986353
+>>21986271
+We're planning a call for submissions later this summer for Tales 2. There are a few other projects that need to get done first.
+--- 21986371
+>>21986307
+Stop dismissing everyone who critiques your work as a hater. I’m not trying to be pointlessly nasty; I’m being honest about my impression of the story. There was nothing about it that I found compelling or that gave me the impression that you have the necessary talent to ever produce anything of value. In order to be a truly good writer, you have to posess a natural gift for language, a discerning eye for relevant detail, and an intuitive grasp of certain aspects of the human condition. Then you have to develop those gifts by writing consistently. If you lack the necessary qualities of a good writer, all of the writing practice in the world will never elevate your work beyond the level of mediocrity. Having written a large volume of content is nothing to brag about when none of what you’ve produced is any good. By asking me what I’ve ever written you’re just deflecting. I do write, but that doesn’t matter, because I don’t have to be a writer myself in order to judge the quality of someone else’s writing. There are many competent book critics who don’t personally write fiction.
+--- 21986387
+>>21986301
+
+>>21986371 also applies to MacNaughton. He has the potential to improve as a writer on a technical level, but he clearly lacks an innate grasp of what makes a story compelling, and so his work is empty and soulless.
+--- 21986401
+>>21986283
+>Twin Candles was my least favourite of the stories in the collection.
+This. I got stumped on Candles. Something about the opening not really hooking me. I mean, it might be an okay story, but I didn't stick around to finish it. Too slow I guess.
+--- 21986402
+>>21986387
+Hard to say conclusively until I see more of his writing.
+--- 21986479
+>>21986307
+Learn2Write, fag
+--- 21986512
+>>21986237
+UF has a pretty well respected Chemistry department. Very good program but wasnt my Alma mater, thankfully because the weather there sucks.
+--- 21986561
+>>21986371
+this. people need to stop hugboxing and acting like everyone who likes to write has the potential to someday be good at it.
+--- 21986950
+>>21986307
+hi krake
+--- 21987598
+>>21986371
+The writers who most ardently push the idea that writing cannot be taught 
+1. Were often taught(see Hemingway)
+2. Weren’t that fine a writer 
+I’ll say this as someone who wasted much of my life on this board, reading your writing, publishing some of it, editing some of it: mere competence is aspirational for the vast vast majority of you. And don’t take that lightly. The technical skill that comes from specific instruction would elevate even the most helpless writers. I’ve seen so many shit writers lift themselves with good practice, and talented writers stagnate for years. 
+
+Pretty much all of my favourite authors were breastfed by one or two senior writers. This obsession with whether good writing is as dependent on talent as dunking a basketball or is as much a reducible craft as woodworking is so far beside the point. It is discussed by non writers and mediocrities, or rather good writers who forget their origin and overestimate their innate ability. 
+
+I think whoever you are are too hard on Miles. He’s certainly talented and receptive to feedback. He desires to improve. I don’t know how talented you are, but taking you as the average person I’ve dealt with you don’t have the stripes to suggest that he ought to give up.
+
+Krake’s bullheaded but there’s a way for him.
+--- 21987612
+I will submit my work to you guys if you promise not to dox me. Even then I will give you a fake name just to be sure
+--- 21987643
+>>21987598
+>The technical skill that comes from specific instruction would elevate even the most helpless writers. I’ve seen so many shit writers lift themselves with good practice
+How do I try to improve in this way outside of taking a writing class or working with a.more experienced, better writer? I write a lot and always have (same with reading) but I don't think I've ever really progressed. I think I'm an almost decent writer at best which kind of sucks, but I think it's the truth and I accept it. What troubles me is that I don't think Im any better now than I was 10 years ago.
+--- 21987684
+>>21987643
+This is tricky. It’s where 4chan has the most potential and is therefore at its most frustrating. /wg/, respectfully, is dominated by low level amateurs which makes it very hard to improve as a regular. They aren’t any good, which isn’t a fault really, but they also aren’t well read or studied. So you don’t improve in a competitive and talented environment nor do the untalented critics know how to give you any worthwhile guidance. 
+
+That’s where the “hugbox” critique really applies, most people in that general should be told to stop sharing their writing for a year while they practice and study in silence, otherwise you chase off anyone further along in their journey for the same reason r/writing does. 
+
+So how do you consistently access better writers? On the internet? Well, I’ve seen about two worthwhile discords pop up, or you can go back to school(not feasible unless you’re in a stage of your life where living off of a GTA salary for 2-3 years to not have obvious job prospects sounds fun to you), or you can do the craft book grind. That’s what I’d reccomend to everyone who isn’t accustomed to studying the art. You say you read a lot, but do you read specifically? Do you read books in the realm of the books you write? Do you study them, take notes, specifically try to imitate your superiors? If not,( and this is why I’d say the talent discourse is worthless, it puts you in a mindset that isn’t conducive to proper study in the arts as any other artist would, or in the mindset to study any other kind of craft), then you should read craft books. Skip the obvious pulpy shit written by people who’ve created nothing good(you’d figure if their advice were worth something it’d show in their work). 
+
+I like Gardner, most people do, Francine Prose, LeGuin’s Steering the Craft. Those are the highly recommended craft books. I’d look at interviews with famous editors, Hemingway was guided by powerhouse editors(I forget the names sorry) who know the craft as well as an author and are probably better at articulating what good lit is.
+--- 21987704
+>>21987684
+99% of anything is going to be shit. I would advise you to read what you admire and then seek interviews with those authors. Get into their headspace. How much time did they spend envisioning their world? What is the philosophy behind their work and what did they have to sacrifice to create it? Ultimately you can imitate the greats but only you can enlighten yourself.
+--- 21987728
+>>21987598
+I never said that writing cannot be taught. I myself have had writing teachers who have helped me improve my work significantly. Of course writing can be taught, but only to an extent. Someone can only benefit from writing instruction if they already possess the qualities of a good writer to some degree. Raw talent has to be nurtured and developed in order to bear fruit, but when reading an amateur writer’s work you can usually tell reasonably quickly whether there’s potential there at all. A writer with talent can have flaws and weak spots, even serious ones, but there will always be some quality to their work that is distinctive and noteworthy. For example, perhaps they’re not the most technically skilled and their work contains errors at the sentence level, yet they have a knack for using descriptive language. Or perhaps they have a tendency to be long-winded and repetitive, but they also have an intuitive ability to give their narrator a distinct voice. If they have potential, there will be some quality to their work that makes it interesting. 
+
+I never professed to be a masterful writer myself or said that MacNaughton ought to completely give up. I just gave my honest opinion, which is that there’s nothing about his work that I find compelling and I don’t see him as a competent writer. If you disagree then fine—you’re entitled to your own opinion just as I’m entitled to mine. 
+
+On the topic of Krake, talentless and bullheaded is a particularly bad combination. Luckily for him, genreschlock readers aren’t known to be picky. He can continue churning out his formulaic work at a steady pace and perhaps he’ll develop some kind of an audience.
+--- 21987842
+>>21987684
+>I like Gardner, most people do,
+Unironically fucking kill yourself frank
+--- 21987849
+>>21987842
+He’s talking about John Gardner, you absolute pseud.
+--- 21987865
+>>21987842
+>he's never read John Gardner
+lurk more
+--- 21987867
+>>21987849
+Hi Frank
+--- 21987883
+>>21987842
+Americans see BBC and don’t think about the world famous broadcasting etc etc
+--- 21987895
+>>21987883
+>mentions BBC out of nowhere
+Frank your mouth is watering
+--- 21987985
+>>21987842
+You assumed he was referring to F. Gardner but he was actually talking about John Gardner (which should be obvious in context) You should have just ignored the post instead of commenting because you were wrong and now you look stupid.
+--- 21988292
+>>21987728
+basado.
+--- 21988335
+>Unreal doxcast 
+No thank you. I'd like to keep my anonymity.
+--- 21988339
+>>21988335
+Who did they doxx and why? Still have seen no legit evidence of it.
+--- 21988354
+>>21988339
+Stick around this thread. You'll probably see them posting the best of &amp editor's face around here again. It always happens in these threads lately.
+--- 21988356
+>>21988354
+Sounds like you’re him. You got what you deserved after the stunt you pulled.
+--- 21988359
+>>21988335
+>>21988339
+>>21988354
+Did you get bored of talking to yourself in the other thread?
+--- 21988367
+>>21988359
+>unrealcucks accusing their critics of samefagging
+
+typical
+--- 21988378
+>>21988354
+don’t test us bitch 
+the shit with your mom was us going easy on you
+want us to start posting pics of your sister?
+--- 21988427
+>>21988378
+pathetic manchild
+--- 21988459
+>>21988427
+We’ll give you one last chance to 
+back the fuck off. If you don’t then we’re gonna go nuclear on your ass.
+--- 21988492
+>>21988427
+>>21988459
+Ok now both of you kiss
+--- 21988525
+>>21988492
+I’m not gay.
+--- 21988582
+>>21985166
+>narsty cheap red and a crappy candle
+>with some low-wit scarcely-/sffg/ "short story collection"
+maximal pleb
+--- 21988599
+>>21988459
+i'm not even the person who you think i am. what's really pathetic is that you're so paranoid that you think everyone who hates you is this one guy, i don't even know who he is. you're going to lash out your critics by copy pasting some poor smuck's dox over and over again. i'd say it's funny if it weren't so sad. the dox is the only leverage you have over anyone. without that your publication is worthless
+--- 21988648
+>>21986176
+I like it, it's 21st century pulp kitsch
+--- 21988652
+Are there any other good /lit/ books?
+--- 21988685
+>>21988652
+Despite the hate and mockery he sometimes gets Woolston's books are genuine kino.
+--- 21988694
+>>21988685
+Woolswine is a talentless shill.
+--- 21988716
+>>21988694
+woolston is fine. i enjoyed the short story about going into the outback and digging up a machine gun (?) buried in the ground
+--- 21988728
+>>21988716
+I’m going to explore your mom outback and bury my machine gun deep deep in her ground
+--- 21988789
+>>21988716
+That was good but I liked the stories about the drug addicts in recovery better
+--- 21988796
+>>21988789
+I’m going to get your mom so addicted to my cock that she’ll never recover
+--- 21989114
+>>21987612
+no one here has ever published under a real name. Except like one guy maybe. No, despite what you may have heard unreal doesn't require a dossier of personal details for submission lol.

lit/21985397.txt

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+-----
+--- 21985397
+“I am writing a highly developed novel entitled Les Pléiades based on this idea that there are no longer any classes, that there are no longer any peoples, but only, throughout Europe, a few individualities floating like debris on a downpour. I hope for a lot. ”
+--- 21985622
+>>21985397 (OP)
+
+What does it have to do with the seven sisters ?
+--- 21985727
+>>21985397 (OP)
+>Les
+--- 21987035
+>>21985397 (OP)
+AHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHA HIS TITLE IS IN FRENCH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
+--- 21987195
+>>21985727
+?
+--- 21988737
+>>21985397 (OP)
+Bump
+--- 21988954
+I haven’t read it

lit/21985414.txt

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+-----
+--- 21985414
+I recently listened to all the Harry Potter books by Stephen Fry and it was really great. Less for the actual content of the books but more by how well Fry portrayed the characters and made the whole thing really pleasurable.
+
+So I'm looking for well narrated audiobooks of all genres. Is there anything on the same level?
+--- 21985424
+>>21985414 (OP)
+--- 21985425
+Lonesome dove was good, and Shogun. He does an impressive little horny Japanese girl voice.
+--- 21985428
+>>21985414 (OP)
+I just want to shove my fat cock into this smug assholes mouth
+--- 21985618
+>>21985428
+If you are below age 25 he’s probably happy to oblige you
+--- 21985934
+>>21985414 (OP)
+>recently listened to all the Harry Potter books by Stephen Fry
+I thought that were narrated my Marc Thompson.
+--- 21985939
+>>21985414 (OP)
+Gravity's Rainbow
+--- 21987727
+>>21985934
+
+Isn't that the American version? The British version was narrated by Fry and I don't know why anyone would choose to listen to an American accent when the book is quite essentially British.
+--- 21988024
+>>21985414 (OP)
+I really loved the "His Dark Materials" audiobooks as a kid. The series was done complete with voice acting: different actors for everything in quotes, and a terrific narrator
+--- 21988424
+>>21985414 (OP)
+Is there a Moby Dick audiobook where the author speaks like Willem Dafoe from the lighthouse?
+--- 21988442
+The Jim Norton narration of Ulysses is a work of art worthy of the text
+--- 21988465
+>>21988424
+AI could probably do it in a year or two

lit/21985440.txt

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+-----
+--- 21985440
+>fat but too unintelligent and cowardly for drugs
+>too stupid for videogames
+>goody two shoes enough to finish school but too dumb to apply creative thinking and strategy in landing a job, so graduate to neetdom
+>too unintelligent to get girls
+What are some books for this level of pathetic, if any? Nothing fancy, nothing smart, no le life is meaningless stuff, just pure misery for a real life Homer who realizes his only problem is lack of intelligence to attain what he wants
+--- 21985554
+Oblomow 
+The Trial
+Conspiracy against the human race
+--- 21985562
+>>21985440 (OP)
+no, the drugs make you intelligent
+--- 21985602
+>>21985440 (OP)
+you dont need literature, you need techno
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywCMCz4mPFE [Embed]
+--- 21985615
+>>21985440 (OP)
+It's hard trying to grow up in today's world. Push yourself, pick away at it, and you'll get there.
+--- 21985642
+>>21985440 (OP)
+>too unintelligent for video games
+>too unintelligent to get girls
+Those are both low iq activities thoughever
+--- 21985678
+>>21985562
+Drugs give you brain damage.
+--- 21985687
+>>21985440 (OP)
+>real life Homer
+Bro he's got it made wtf are you on about
+--- 21985850
+>>21985562
+>>21985678
+>niggas think all drugs work the same
+put two people in a room, give one something innocuous like cocaine or weed, and the other one datura or PCP and see how different the effects are. It's like saying that food damages your brain because eating a pound of salt in one sitting would cause a brain hemorrhage.
+--- 21985920
+>>21985440 (OP)
+Having sex is for dummies though. Look at apes, they fuck all day long. Intelligence is a hindrance to the pussy pursuit.
+--- 21986777
+>>21985920
+cope
+>>21985678
+cope, im already stupid
+>>21985642
+turbocope, they're far more intelligent than anything I do
+>>21985562
+no, intelligent people tend to gravitate to drugs, the dumb-dumbs stay with the pleb versions of reality
+>>21985602
+what am i supposed to do with this. i used to be into music until i realized i am too dumb to learn mixing and mastering.
+--- 21986808
+>>21986777
+>cope
+Explain how sex is high iq in any way. It's literally putting a rod in a hole to make brain good feel.
+--- 21986814
+>>21986808
+Getting it requires brains, strategy, correctly assessing the situation intellectually
+--- 21986819
+>>21986814
+tell that to every animal on the planet
+--- 21986863
+Exercise, eat healthy, don't do drugs, stop caring about frustrating competitive games like LoL or CS and play only games that make you genuinely happy for playing. Hope that slice of advice helps
+--- 21986880
+>>21985602
+Based Anthony Child poster
+
+https://youtu.be/OwT4E5u0l0Y [Embed]
+--- 21987033
+>>21985440 (OP)
+Get a goal, what do you want. A ferrari, a nice house or to create some piece of art? Then start working towards that, you certainly have enough brains to achieve something it's your attitude that is keeping you back.
+--- 21987040
+>>21985602
+Extremely based 
+Thou art wise, anon
+--- 21987139
+>>21986814
+
+Nah the better you are at incorrectly assessing how much of a loser you really are the better you are at getting laid.
+--- 21987141
+>>21985440 (OP)
+>too intelligent to get girls
+
+This is the biggest cope I’ve ever seen
+--- 21987150
+> get shitty construction job
+> hang out with the boys
+> get in better shape
+> go to after work drinks meet some mexican brick layers chubby sister
+> have sex
+> tell the boys about how you fucked Carlos's sister on monday
+> life good
+--- 21987164
+>>21987141
+Psst! he said 
+>too unintelligent
+Not 
+>Too intelligent
+--- 21987623
+>>21987033
+>get a goal, what so you want
+Uh
+--- 21987651
+>>21985678
+Psychedelics create new neural pathways, youre a retard
+--- 21987664
+>>21987164
+Shit. I’m so used to seeing the “too intelligent” cope
+--- 21987670
+Your thread insults me, OP, as I have an unfortunate, overdeveloped sense of empathy.
+--- 21987688
+>>21986863
+>only games that make you genuinely happy for playing
+there's no point in games besides beating them, winning and feeling success at them. if you're bad at them due to low iq, they're unpleasurable. Exercise and eating healthy, which I've tired, don't really ultimately help with my oafish being.
+
+>Get a goal, what do you want. A ferrari, a nice house or to create some piece of art? 
+The problem is, they're too hard with low IQ. There's no flow.
+--- 21987698
+>>21987688
+The idea of an inherent intellectual capacity is a psyop. It might take some extra time and effort, but if you're literate and able to do arithmetic, you have the ability to engage with almost any art. Be patient, refamiliarize yourself with basic principles and facts, and practice perseverance. Don't put low expectations on yourself, the world does enough of that. I know you feel like it's the other way right now, that the world demands too much for you to handle, but the only way to cope is to insist on your own value. Anything else is fatalistic.
+--- 21988098
+>>21985850
+Don't discriminate against datura and PCP. The chemicals in datura and similar plants have immense medical value. PCP, while no longer used, led to the creation of the very similar ketamine molecule. Ketamine is used for chronic pain, general anesthesia, and mental disorders.
+--- 21988159
+volunteer and see if you can make a job out of it. i started volunteering at habitat for humanity and got taught basic construction stuff, applied for americorps through habitat with a site supervisor as a reference and got in. working manual labor and having to deal with people all the time got me in shape and gave me practice socializing. from there a good reference and an 11 month record of showing up to work on time made me a viable job candidate

lit/21985569.txt

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+-----
+--- 21985569
+is anyone here actually serious about writing poesy &/or fiction
+--- 21986113
+I am. where do I post my poetry? I write trad/formalist poetry, and every poetry site is filled with modernist trash. oh, and I criticize Judaism a bit, so it can't be prohibitive of that.
+--- 21986114
+I’m seriously writing about pussy HEYO
+
+
+>ppmydk
+Pee pee my dick
+--- 21986127
+>>21985569 (OP)
+Shut up, retard.
+--- 21986128
+>>21985569 (OP)
+I write poésie and my recipients (women I fuck) enjoy them but I want to improve my skills before I try humiliating myself publicly. Can I get by just reading poetry or would other activities be as beneficial?
+--- 21986141
+>>21986128
+Your tranime body pillow does not count as a woman
+--- 21986157
+>>21986141
+Good one. Anyway, if anyone does have tips please let me know.
+--- 21986191
+>>21986157
+No one has tips for a pseud who unironically uses poesie and LARPs on /lit/.
+--- 21986202
+>>21986113
+What an incredible selection of artists and intellectuals this board plays host to.
+I'm sure future critics will be over the moon about your rhyming couplets about how the international Jew is importing negroids to fuck your beautiful Aryan sister in iambic pentameter.
+Are you guys really surprised the art world doesn't take poetry like yours seriously?
+--- 21986298
+>>21986191
+You could've just said you don't know of anything to help me. I guess being angry does make you, objectively, retarded when talking.
+--- 21987689
+>>21986202
+you presume much.

lit/21985702.txt

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+-----
+--- 21985702
+Any GOOD books with a similar setting?
+The whole 99.99% of the world dying and following a handful of characters as they traverse the dead world was really interesting.
+However, the weird magic with the guy in Vegas and the old black lady was very blah.
+Everyone knows how Stephen king writes without much planning and it really shows in this book. 
+So, any good books with similar settings?
+Thx
+--- 21987000
+Why do Stephen King covers always suck? I've never once seen an attractive SK book cover.
+--- 21987275
+>>21985702 (OP)
+Swan Song.
+MacCammon is a worse writer than King, but this one is decent. Liked the first half more than the second, didn't like quite a bit of stuff, but it's still good enough to recommend.
+Heroes traverse the wasteland, facing the dangers, cooperating and fighting against other people. 
+Thematically it's close to The Stand, The Road, The Walking Dead even.
+--- 21987389
+>>21985702 (OP)
+
+I Am Legend by Mattheson it stays pretty grounded for the most part and focuses on the main character and his isolation
+--- 21987521
+>>21987000
+Because he's a sellout and has a whole team of faggots that do the cover for him.
+I guarantee no less than 30 people have input into that cover.
+Good book though.
+Writing well and selling out curiously have no relation. Usually it makes the product go downhill. But not really in fiction.
+--- 21987602
+>>21985702 (OP)
+Maybe try EARTH ABIDES.
+--- 21987616
+Why the fuck do you want to read a book like this? You're gonna be living it in 5 years.
+--- 21987683
+>>21987000
+This one is great. Scared me a little seeing it when I was a kid

lit/21985729.txt

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+-----
+--- 21985729
+>What are you reading? Oh, is that genre fiction i see? Wow what a pleb, i only i read books from the 19th century where the entire book is just some guy describing some grass and how war is le bad and that is approved by some old jews in prestigious universities
+--- 21985741
+I look like that and say this.
+--- 21985831
+Genreslop plebs are truly buckbroken.
+--- 21985857
+its not even that i enjoy the books i really just enjoy being smug about what i read
+--- 21985885
+>>21985729 (OP)
+I exclusively read UFO and Bigfoot books.
+--- 21985972
+>>21985729 (OP)
+I really wish genre writing were much better than it is. The *idea* of fantasy is wonderful, but the writers actually doing it are shit (except a handful). There's a lot of great sci-fi, but this "idea genre" tends to be repetitive and unoriginal. Really something you read in your teens and, at best, keep fond memories of. Crime fiction is shat up by hacks. Horror might be the best overall. 
+A general point is that those genres work just as well or better in movie, series or game form, while literary fiction has its inimitable elements.
+--- 21985991
+>>21985729 (OP)
+I love being pretentious. I love harassing people when I can get away with it in general though.
+--- 21986133
+>>21985991
+There's unironically nothing wrong with that. People need to be put in their place as often as possible. Plebs need to be reminded they are plebs and stupid people need to be reminded they are stupid 24/7. "Respecting other peoples' opinions" is yet another symptom of clown world democracy, and we will never make progress unless you forcefully shut down dumbfuck opinions every time you hear them. Otherwise, people will continue to live their lives as if their (wrong) opinions are important and matter
+--- 21986138
+>>21986133
+t. /pol/tard
+--- 21986150
+>>21986138
+I dunno, he sounds pretty democratic to me.
+--- 21986207
+>>21986138
+
+>wanting to shut down retards and promote truth is considered to be radical extremism now
+Lol get me off this ride.
+--- 21986229
+Would be an unfair opinion if genre fiction weren't as much of a soulless, artless, female-dominated shitheap as it is.
+Not to say there is no good genre fiction, only that its buried under a mountain of trash. Much safer just sticking with the canon.
+--- 21986244
+>>21986229
+Most of the canon is just demoralization "we live in a society" propaganda. All nihilist bullshit specifically promoted to depress you. It's why Nirvana and NIN were shilled to teens as well. They want you depressed, weak and your spirit crushed.
+Read uplifting things like epic poetry, children's books, mythology, and nature essays.
+--- 21986255
+>>21986244
+You’re genuinely retarded that has read fewer than 20 books of the canon. Stick to genreshit, woman.
+--- 21986268
+>>21986255
+I've read more than you, almost certainly. You only get this opinion when you have forced yourself to read a ton of the canon.
+
+All novels, almost without exception, are bullshit. Every one of them. It's all about
+>we live in a society
+>muh class struggle
+>muh racial problems
+All petty human shit that has no impact on the grand scheme of things in the universe and aliens are probably laughing at us about. 
+
+Give me an undisputed classic from the canon and I'll tell you why it's dogshit and why it's used as a tool to demoralize you.
+--- 21986289
+>>21986268
+You certainly haven’t, but keep spamming your delusional tweets cope. Go back to /sffg/
+--- 21986292
+>>21985729 (OP)
+I read genre fiction from the 18th and 19th century. :)
+--- 21986294
+>>21986289
+Yes, the truth hurts I know. Great truths often come as a shock. It's a hard cope to know you just wasted the last 10 years of your life reading existential nonsense written by drug addict virgins. I hope you see the light one day anon.
+--- 21986296
+>>21986244
+>>21986268
+Bro you're talking about books written after the 19th century but there are millennia of classics prior.
+--- 21986306
+>>21986268
+I wonder what you are doing on the bookboard lol.
+--- 21986326
+>>21986296
+Most of the classics pre-19th century fit my definition of good books. That's the shift I am talking about. There was a major paradigm shift in the 1800s from writing about whimsical and beautiful things to dark and "serious" things. I blame the Russians. Dostoevsky almost single-handedly killed literature. 
+
+The more you read, the more you start to ask questions
+>Why was this book was written?
+>What are the psychological reasons for why this book was written?
+>How did the society of the time of the author shape his views?
+>What motivations or ulterior motives did the author have in writing this book?
+Once you start putting these questions to the context of the book you are reading, you start to see a pattern more and more that 99.9% of novels are ephemeral trash, a complete product of the time they are written in and have no eternal truths in them. Unironically, things like The Wind in the Willows have far more philosophical depth than anything that is considered "serious" literature has to say. 
+
+Trust me m8, this isn't some half baked shitpost. I thought long and hard about this over years.
+--- 21986332
+>>21986306
+
+>the only books that exist in the world are depressing nihilist academia-approved classics
+>there is nothing else to read outside of this
+--- 21986346
+>>21986326
+>Trust me m8, this isn't some half baked shitpost. I thought long and hard about this over years.
+I mean it's an obvious observation, 19th century brought romanticism, jewry, anti-clericism, pessimism, absurdism, socialism, etc. Pretty much everyone knows that after the French Revolution everything got fucked and some people see that it has roots in the Protestant Reformation. It's not much of an insight but rather quite a standard view on 4chan outside fictionfags, trannies, and lefties in general who enjoy degeneracy and decay because they're self-hating and depressed themselves. But you said
+>Most of the canon is just demoralization "we live in a society" propaganda. All nihilist bullshit specifically promoted to depress you. 
+This is bs, most of the canon is made up of books before the 19th century.
+--- 21986350
+>>21986346
+Based that you agree with me somewhat.
+>most of the canon is made up of books before the 19th century.
+Yeah I know, which is why they are changing that. No more Homer and Shakespeare. You must now read a novel about what it means to be black in America.
+--- 21986354
+>>21986350
+The canon should be nothing but novels about what it means to be of the upper class in the past.
+--- 21986359
+>>21986350
+>Yeah I know, which is why they are changing that. No more Homer and Shakespeare. You must now read a novel about what it means to be black in America.
+Yeah but everyone knows the NWO is satanic and most of us just ignore them
+--- 21986362
+Fun things are fun. Read things you enjoy.
+--- 21986364
+>>21986362
+No.
+--- 21986370
+>>21986364
+Kek, lemme guesse, someone was forced to read things he didn't like.
+--- 21986375
+>>21986362
+But I enjoy read unfun things...
+--- 21986393
+>>21986326
+>t. zoomer living in lala land
+your opinion means nothing when you are a spiritual tranny
+--- 21986394
+>>21986268
+>I've read more than you, almost certainly
+Funny how everyone on /lit/ says this line all the time. Or maybe it's always (You).
+Anyway, what you say makes it obvious that all you've "read" are blinkist/youtube/wiki summaries
+--- 21986664
+>>21986394
+Nope. I wish I read the summaries though. Would have saved a lot of time.
+--- 21986911
+I fucking hate non-genre lit. Why? Because it's usually about literally nothing. Alright, of course I mean the kind of novels that are "only" non-genre lit, not such that also have other descriptors, like "historical", "biographic", etc.
+Like, their Wikipedia articles are always tremendously long. They are Lanky Kong long. And why? Because you can't summarize the book's core spirit, idea, esprit and theme with just a paragraph, like you can a "Lord of the Rings" or a "Childhood's End". It's just a stupid pointless sequence of people being mundane humans, quasi-interestingly. Petty dramas, but with good prose.
+
+Does that mean I prefer speculative fiction? They cause me their own brand of ennui. The kind of fiction I like most are the Kafka's and Hesse's -- psychodelving, dream-adjacent-like, jamais vu, "magically realist" without the commitment of magical reality.
+--- 21987012
+>>21985857
+this but unironically
+--- 21987030
+>>21986326
+While you might be a troll, I unironically see your point. Lately I've read many of the 19th century classics and boy are they bleak. I mean... I get the point of them and their depth, but it's just so dark and depressing. I couldn't read Great Expectations past the prisoner just because it was so fucking bleak. Like holy shit you can make your point without sucking the soul out of me, y'know?
+--- 21987045
+>>21985729 (OP)
+>Wow what a pleb, i only i read books from the 19th century where the entire book is just some guy describing some grass and how war is le bad and that is approved by some old jews in prestigious universities
+This is genre fiction. Genres: 19th century nature books and anti-war prose. All literature is genre fiction.
+--- 21987083
+>>21985729 (OP)
+>Why yes, I only read textbooks and manuals. How did you know?
+--- 21987089
+>>21985729 (OP)
+
+I remember a yt video or podcast somewhere and the dickhead actually said he only reads self help and fiction is a waste of time
+
+Mother fucker you need more than self help if you think that
+--- 21987103
+>>21986244
+
+I read the hungry caterpillar
+--- 21987334
+>>21986138
+COPE LEFTY POL TARD
+--- 21987414
+>>21986292
+All fiction books are genre fiction name one that isn't
+--- 21987424
+>>21987414
+What genre is Ulysses?
+--- 21987436
+>>21987424
+action adventure fantasy romance
+--- 21987459
+>>21985991
+I lent The Phenomenology of Spirit to a few people as a joke to my self.
+--- 21987474
+>>21987414
+This. I've always found the literature/genre distinction so fucking stupid. There's amazing, there's great, there's okay and there's shit books from every genre
+--- 21987496
+>>21985729 (OP)
+It used to be much more common on here to blindly shit on any genre fiction or novel. That is why Mr Sensitive is so upset all the time. I mean, being pretentious like that is lame but Mr dweeby needs to grow up and stop being angry over someone repeating board culture.
+--- 21987536
+>>21985729 (OP)
+You say that and you look like that
+--- 21987614
+>>21985729 (OP)
+I do have that pipe, and I do love condescending to people, but man do I hate 19th century writers.

lit/21985764.txt

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+-----
+--- 21985764
+Thread for discussion of the performs of opera, theatre and ballet.
+
+Link to last thread
+>>21974541 →
+
+First topic: does anyone have suggestions for good translations of librettos, preferably anthologies? I find unless the performance is in person, that I enjoy opera a lot more without the visual and just listening (I tend to feel the same way about theatre), and I prefer to read the libretto if I can’t understand it, and figure I might as well find the translations with the most relish here.
+--- 21986781
+>>21985764 (OP)
+No way, an opera general. I didn't know this was /lit/. Went to the Messiah performance at the Royal Albert Hall back on goodfriday. Sat next to two elderly American tourists, and like Americans, they made small talk. They were retired professors who made their money on published text books on "computer chemistry"
+
+Also people might find it fun to know it's tradition to stand for the Hallelujah chorus
+--- 21986796
+>>21986781
+>tradlarping in the fist reply to a novel thread
+site has gone to the dogs
+--- 21986860
+>>21986796
+How am I tradlarping? What, because I went to a nonsecular opera on fucking good friday? They've perform Messiah every year for 147 years at the Royal Albert Hall, it's a fun and popular event. I'm also going to the figaro performance next month, what larp is that; I go to most opera performances in my area—I was just recounting the most recent one, fag.
+--- 21986961
+>>21986860
+next you'll tell me you watch ballet or something.
+--- 21987023
+>>21986961
+I saw Swan lake in March. What's wrong with that. It was performed at my local
+--- 21987046
+>>21986781
+>>21986860
+>>21987023
+Kek. Have a look at this low testosterone Nancy-boy. Let me guess, you carry an ornate cane tucked under your arm and quote ancient Greeks and romans daily in conversation? Cringe weirdos like you deserve to be heckled and beat up. This is assuming your under the age of 50
+--- 21987155
+>>21987046
+zzzzz
+--- 21987235
+>>21987046
+First of all, I am NOT a nancypantsy, I actually held the record most amount of suspensions in my secondary school, for getting into fights. I also intentionally barge into random dudes when walking about (by intentionally I mean I don't move out of the way because that's cucked so unless they move we collide) and try to pick fights with them if they bump into me. Thirdly, I don't have daily conversations because I don't have friends. I am a cringey weirdo but not in the way you described and I pride myself in never having lost a fight so try your best. There's nothing soft about like classical music.
+
+If someone called me a sissy for liking some Schubert I would punch them in the nose.
+--- 21987300
+>>21985764 (OP)
+The greatest single aria for poetic pathos and vocal fireworks is "Die Frist ist um", performed by the incomparable Bryn Tercel, who I was fortunate enough to see in recital from the front row. 
+I swear I will duel anyone who dares refute my claim. Come at me with your shitflinging spergery!
+--- 21988342
+>>21986781
+ Based
+
+>>21986796
+Trad refers to the 1950’s, Handel wrote long before then
+
+>>21987023
+Have you seen Giselle? My personal favorite frequency performed ballet is Romeo and Juliet