diff --git a/k/23385784.txt b/k/23385784.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f0386339ce2ae55e0ebef4d0714526c922becdb3 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/23385784.txt @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +----- +--- 23385784 +Welcome to /k/, 4chan's weapons board. Our board centers around weapons, armor, and other myriad military technology. While guns are the primary topic, threads involving any other sort of weapons, from swords and knives to tanks and jet fighters, come up frequently as well. If you're new, we suggest reading the sticky at http://amagicalplace.wikia.com/wiki/Sticky to get acquainted with the board's subject matter. + +Before posting a thread, please check our catalog to ensure that a thread about the same topic does not already exist. + +>>>/k/catalog diff --git a/k/27429060.txt b/k/27429060.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..20095618a7213a921f6017be516a45b51cbde4af --- /dev/null +++ b/k/27429060.txt @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@ +----- +--- 27429060 +/k/ is a board devoted to weapons and military equipment. + +Discussions about politics or current events belong on /pol/. + +>>>/pol/ +--- 27429070 +Do not post threads about gun control. They belong on /pol/. + +Troll threads will be deleted, and those posting troll posts will be banned. diff --git a/k/57772495.txt b/k/57772495.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5b8220bc6ee260490d445060e4df7b9003a9f7df --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57772495.txt @@ -0,0 +1,731 @@ +----- +--- 57772495 +Design, create, and discuss your latest patches + +Previous Thread: >>57714636 → + +>Where do I cop that patch? +Newest +>https://patchfeed.com/patch-seller-list/ +Newer +>https://hackmd.io/@Patchboi/PatchThread +Classic +>https://pastebin.com/cXZTGafD +--- 57772583 +>>57772495 (OP) +someone please tell me where I can buy the blue /k/ patch for the love of god +--- 57773373 +>>57772583 +would like to know as well +--- 57773959 +>>57772495 (OP) +--- 57776313 +>>57776273 +need links to the bunny girls on top 2 rows +--- 57777510 +>>57776313 +etsy iirc +--- 57779722 +Posting a South Vietnamese patch to combat the faggotry: +--- 57780051 +>>57773959 +>>57775056 +>>57776273 +>>57778610 +>>57779316 +very organic posting +--- 57780335 +>>57779722 +>never put on an article of clothing and only dropped once +--- 57780829 +>>57780051 +Fuck ya mudda +--- 57780853 +>>57779722 +What unit was that from? +--- 57780977 +Are there any good custom patch sites that do embroidered one-offs? No one has what I'm after but I keep encountering sites with a minimum order of a hundred units and other wack shit. +--- 57781727 +>>57776313 +Project shokoshu. Probably won't find the ones you want he guy only does limited runs +--- 57781746 +>>57780335 +Where can I find this +--- 57782119 +Ukrainian patch ,looks like different tridents in a circle. :2.15 mark. +https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_woUtKt6KEs [Embed] +--- 57782255 +new patch idea +--- 57782312 +>>57782119 +You mean the vegvisir rune? +--- 57782943 +>>57780051 +patch idea +--- 57784481 +for the love of god, someone please tell me how to acquire +--- 57784583 +>>57784481 +> www.ruten.com.tw +> item/show?22148307633953 + +good luck +--- 57784604 +>>57784481 +>>57784583 +kek +--- 57784842 +>>57780977 +Nope rip twill +>>57782255 +Whats this from? +--- 57786678 +>>57784842 +Tsukuyomi Moon Phase +--- 57786728 +>>57784481 +>>57784583 +based, fuck china, fuck holosun, and fuck shitty chinese lasers +--- 57788540 +Looks like we finally ran off Badger. +--- 57788835 +>>57788540 +Good, maybe he can put some of that money toward getting opchan running and keep the cp off of it. +--- 57788914 +>>57788868 +where +--- 57788936 +patch idea 1/34 +--- 57788943 +patch idea 2/34 +--- 57789014 +>>57788943 +>>57788943 +>of/34 +quit while you're ahead +--- 57789051 +>>57789014 +no +--- 57789062 +>>57772495 (OP) +Why isn't anyone making an Azov-chan patch? +--- 57789079 +>>57786233 +>>57784583 +>>57783385 +>Marx +>Taiwan +>antiklan +Don't glowies get Sundays off anymore +--- 57789092 +>>57789079 +>>they do it for free +--- 57789524 +>>57772495 (OP) +ready for the range +--- 57789748 +>>57789524 +kino +--- 57790161 +>>57789667 +kek king +--- 57790203 +>>57789748 +faggot +>ftfy +--- 57790230 +>>57789062 +>making a patch for a crack head +ngmi +--- 57791430 +>>57789667 +basado +--- 57791759 +Patch idea for Aho +--- 57792364 +>>57789524 +--- 57793096 +Sput is kill +Crimson is kill + +who's next? +--- 57793435 +>>57793096 +all of them +general is ded +time to pack up +--- 57793501 +>>57793096 +fuck sakes, i didnt grab a checchyna butterfly in time +--- 57793592 +>>57793096 +Great White North Patch Co closing shop or already closed +--- 57794223 +>>57793096 +Bought SKS Innawoods patch and got refunded. + +I'm gonna cry +--- 57794296 +Crimson only had like one good patch. Never liked Fallout autism. +--- 57797187 +Where can I get this? +--- 57800118 +>>57797187 +what are percs? +--- 57800325 +>>57800118 +Percocets +--- 57801543 +When did this become a liberal tranny hangout? Looks like r/liberalgunowners around here now. +Seems like just last year this was RWDS patches +--- 57801562 +>>57793096 +it's a shame, Crimson is a good dude I met several times. +--- 57801582 +>>57801562 +he peg you? +--- 57801594 +>>57801543 +More than a year but yeah it happened pretty quick. Started with the guy bashing badger, moved onto the pvc I didnt serve because ____ guy, and very rapidly devolved from there. +--- 57801661 +Wanna get these soon but I dont really know where to put em, I take greymanning to heart + +https://www.etsy.com/listing/907842513/csgo-patch-tct-emblems-ironhook + +https://www.etsy.com/listing/889060036/opposing-force-cs-phoenix-connexion +--- 57801736 +>>57801661 +>browsing +Holy fuck look what i found, this brings back memories +https://www.etsy.com/listing/714265789/battlefield-2-middle-eastern-coalition +--- 57802708 +>>57802697 +>Im not going to fight for Israel +--- 57802773 +>>57802718 +New Badger drop? +--- 57803147 +>>57786678 +Neko mimi mode +--- 57803466 +>>57802708 +would you do it for a Klondike bar? +--- 57803737 +>>57801543 +More or less. Trannys are with the Janny because for a while any trans hate or calling out of his faggotry was met with bans left and right. Seems to have died down but only because more people are being vocal. Hopefully, they moved on. +--- 57803751 +>>57801594 +Now its these god awful spams of gay pride flags, portect equality and god awful starwars shit. Never bought Nazi and Fash stuff but I'd welcome those guys back compared to these fried retards. +--- 57803808 +>>57803751 +Yeah that slope got steep FAST +--- 57804803 +>>57803751 +literally those most reddit tier bullshit around + +this general can be summed up as a bot posting a rainbow flag storm-trooper helmet. +--- 57805062 +Anyone know where I can buy an SKS Innawoods patch? Please +--- 57805113 +>>57804803 +Pretty much. Baby yoda saying "Equality Protection" meanwhile we never got "The Black Death" or "Intolerance is a Virtue". +--- 57805670 +>>57680094 +make this patch, faggots +--- 57806319 +>>57793096 +Damn Crimson was a favorite of mine, RIP +--- 57806327 +>buy galil patch from one of you guys +>arrives in 2 days +unironically thanks for being on the ball +--- 57806855 +Patch idea +--- 57806935 +>>57788116 +Where'd you get the awesome face one? +--- 57807201 +>>57779316 +The Anarchist one is very nice +--- 57807298 +>>57806935 +>>57807201 +Very organic posts +--- 57807328 +>>57807298 +Suck my dick you lobotomized faggot +--- 57807331 +>>57806935 +>>57807201 +Eat a bag of rocks and begone from this place +--- 57807474 +>>57807328 +you are not fooling anyone +--- 57808585 +>>57793096 +Fug it I was going to buy some stuff from him. +--- 57809596 +>>57772583 +What's the idea behind the fake East India Trading Company flag patch? +--- 57810730 +Guys and dolls. Something is going down +--- 57810843 +>>57810730 +Something is always going down and nothing ever happens +--- 57810956 +>>57806327 +Post patch +--- 57811031 +new petch wall shot +--- 57811284 +>>57811031 +Just make sure its the last +--- 57811301 +>>57809108 +why do people have these finger traps in their every day carry? +--- 57812365 +>>57811031 +How much does the FBI pay? I'm looking for a new career? +--- 57812578 +>>57798316 +Boot. +--- 57813145 +>>57811031 +missing the badger ghost of kyiv one. otherwise based af +--- 57813308 +>>57810956 +its this one +--- 57813382 +>>57801594 +It's a very specific store posting this stuff, I won't say who, but he's been doing it a long time +--- 57813767 +>>57813382 +You're one of a couple who blames it on specific patch jews. You start flinging shit when that specific merchant puts his trip on like a fucking chimp. +Part of the problem. +--- 57813821 +>>57812365 +the only good thing about government is that all the pay scales are open to the public. starting for a special agent is 55k and max is 72k for level 10, plus however much in location based adjustment. i think the highest location adjustment is the san francisco area which has the same pay be 80k to 100k. +--- 57813862 +BUY AN AD SPACE +--- 57814026 +>>57813767 +I never post here anon, I just came by because somebody mentioned Crimson was quitting. Just posting my what I know direct from the source +--- 57814040 +>>57809630 +Does make a patch insult enemy good? +--- 57814122 +>>57814026 +Surely this is true. +Surely you are genuinely whistlebowing on a secret patch making cabal, while also not being involved in any way. +Do you also know exact details on the deaths of ai and komfy? +--- 57814294 +>>57814040 +aww look at the poor little ESL trying to speak a real language +--- 57815580 +Why is Ahoworks taking so long to ship my damn order!?! +--- 57815591 +>>57815580 +He's on vacation for the whole month of April. +--- 57815620 +>>57815591 +you're joking... +--- 57815639 +>>57815620 +--- 57815653 +>>57813382 +>>57813767 +just say NEET and be done with it + +>>57815620 +he's getting drunk in japan with your patch money as we speak +--- 57815696 +>>57815620 +Nay, he aint. +--- 57815907 +Anyone know were I can get a 50 blessings patch? +--- 57816796 +>>57772495 (OP) +who sells these? +--- 57816819 +>>57779316 +>dat fucking cringe +go back to plebbit +--- 57817576 +>>57772583 +4chan told me all the trannys were gross why is this one cute. +--- 57817604 +>>57789062 +make your own if you really care for diet russia that much +--- 57817878 +fuck all your femboy animu drama, i want this +--- 57817903 +found this one on ebay. i'm planning to put it on a serbian field parka +--- 57818045 +>>57811031 +https://www.reddit.com/r/Patches/comments/12ftq09/just_wanted_to_show_off_my_patch_wall/ +of course it's a fucking reddit troon +--- 57818076 +>>57817576 +Its name is lexical, one of the myriad PA trannies. +--- 57818125 +>>57793096 +>sledgehammer bumper stickers never restocked +rip crimson you were one of the real ones +--- 57818156 +>>57818045 +whats wrong with reddit? +--- 57818233 +>>57818156 +its censored, owned by the chinese, and the insufferable globalhomo basedface users preach endless false virtues +--- 57818238 +>>57818233 +nevermind I cant even say s o y +this sites fucked too +--- 57818769 +>>57793435 +This whole board is dead, it's only fitting. +--- 57818879 +>>57818769 +Ukraine supporters killed it +--- 57818915 +>>57818879 +where do they get all the shills from? shouldn't they be armed with aks instead of keyboards? so much for their homeland and all that bullshit +--- 57820006 +>>57817878 +Can't post link with spam filter + +>>57818156 +It's full of faggots. +--- 57820588 +>>57818238 +>wordfiltered +Ironic +--- 57821489 +>>57772495 (OP) +Cringe or based to wear this patch on my carrier? As someone from Greensboro +--- 57821972 +>>57814122 +Anon, don't take everything so seriously +--- 57822187 +>>57821972 +Hard not to sometimes with the autism and all +--- 57822683 +Here's some pics I took years ago +--- 57822698 +>>57822683 +--- 57822709 +>>57822698 +--- 57822753 +>>57822683 +>>57822709 +>>57822698 +Wow that's fucking terrible. Fuck off and don't come back. +--- 57822860 +>>57822753 +Thanks anon +--- 57823233 +>>57821489 +Send it. Is that from Texas 144.1? +--- 57823832 +Lol +--- 57824158 +>>57818045 +>petch + +Dead giveaway. Do a /k/ archive search for "petch" sometime. +--- 57824183 +Need pregnant cunny patches +--- 57825629 +>>57822683 +>>57822698 +>>57822709 +Very nice. +--- 57825773 +I don't even remember getting half of these +--- 57826660 +>>57825773 +nothing beats possum patches :D +--- 57827096 +Patch when +--- 57827775 +>>57821489 +If you are also from Greensboro like me then its based. Otherwise its lame. +--- 57827984 +>>57827775 +oof +--- 57828586 +>>57824727 +kek based +--- 57829212 +>>57772495 (OP) +--- 57831307 +>>57814122 +No I don't but was a part of a secret discord +--- 57832557 +>>57822683 +Anon, did you take these pics in the fucking drying room in your company? +--- 57834440 +>>57832035 +If you own this sincerely kill yourself +--- 57835425 +i got some velcro backed patches that would look good on a bag i have with no velcro. how good is iron on velcro? the bag has multiple layers and foam between them so sewing will be a pain. +--- 57835582 +>>57835425 +It's worked for decades with no issues +--- 57835937 +>>57835323 +>>57829212 +>>57828001 +>>57826660 + +buy an ad space for your horse shit reddit tier garbage you fucking loser +--- 57836214 +>>57834440 +im a good christian so don't think i will anon +--- 57836351 +>>57835425 +I have a couple padded bags I used sticky Velcro enhanced with the adhesive tape that’s real thin and melts when ironed. It’s held up so far but I also am careful when changing patches. Also you have to make sure you leave a hair of space around the edges so it doesn’t melt and creep out like in pic. +--- 57837083 +>>57836351 +Sorry do you mean you added tape to the stick on kind? The stick on and iron on are two different products +--- 57837251 +>>57837083 +It’s not tape, but it looks like medical tape on a roll. It melts under steam. I used sticky Velcro so the strips would stay out while ironing. +--- 57838052 +>>57826660 +>>57828001 +Post stinky dildo collection and body hair troon +--- 57839112 +>>57772495 (OP) +--- 57839136 +>>57832557 +Yep. There was zero chance I was going to explain Upotte to the other NCOs +--- 57839206 +>>57801736 +loading geometries... 62% +--- 57842352 +>>57806327 +Ayy that was me, just started out. + +Thankie! +--- 57844884 +taytay :D +--- 57844912 +>>57782943 +seconded. would buy. +--- 57845280 +Any Holo patches? +--- 57845388 +>>57845280 +Pastebin +--- 57846124 +>>57828001 +Please leave this board. +--- 57846302 +>>57846124 +t. atf agent +--- 57847126 +>>57784583 +>>57784583 +>>57784604 +Based as fuck. Will be buying +--- 57847263 +>>57813308 +Sauce me. Where mate? +--- 57847528 +>>57846571 +you should get new lines. +--- 57848177 +>>57847263 +https://www.kawaiioperator.com/product/galil-ar-thankie +--- 57848188 +>>57847528 +you should buy an ad space +--- 57848515 +>>57848177 +Thankies ^-^;; + +Wished there were more patcheroos on that site. Copped one for now +--- 57848908 +>>57848515 +Pay your taxes +--- 57849054 +>>57837251 +Thanks man I found some at a fabric store today and it seems pretty secure +--- 57849209 +>>57848908 +??? Already did that 14days ago +--- 57849385 +>>57849209 +Sorry i meant the store +--- 57849391 +patch idea +--- 57849598 +Patch idea +--- 57849799 +>>57772495 (OP) +--- 57849809 +>>57849799 +ngl that alien due is str8 bussin fr fr ong +--- 57851584 +>>57849391 +--- 57851794 +>>57844884 +based +--- 57852527 +Any recommendations on someone who could do a one-off patch? +--- 57852988 +>>57847303 +Where please to be purchase sirs +--- 57853284 +>>57852527 +Come up with 2 or three ideas and start a store +--- 57855880 +>>57855196 +--- 57856394 +>>57801594 +>Started with the guy bashing badger +I didnt know what i was starting, but im not sorry. My only regret is that we had to suffer along the way. +--- 57858449 +new cop +--- 57858839 +got this ages ago and finally have some place to put it +--- 57859352 +>>57849391 +done already by texas 144.1 +--- 57859366 +PK when +--- 57859378 +Badger when +--- 57859505 +>>57852527 +I've got 25pcs of the vietnam napalm hippie patch being made now. It's a test to see if they do good work. I'll let you know how it goes. Should be done in another ~3 weeks or so. +--- 57859541 +>>57817576 +That's not cute +--- 57859711 +>>57859366 +>>57859378 +neither of them are looking at this thread +--- 57862583 +>>57859711 +>>57859378 +I just go on his twitter to get update +--- 57862947 +>>57862583 +i just check reddit for his latest drops. got the spy balloon one recently +--- 57863214 +>>57863019 +??? what's wrong with badger posting on reddit and me going there for uodates +--- 57863254 +got to love the jannies personally monitoring this thread and deleting posts they don't like +--- 57863387 +>>4491159 +--- 57864341 +>>57772495 (OP) +>>57782312 +Ahoworks +Would anyone be able to make this into a patch? Either with Bocchi as the rock shape alone or with the MRE leaning on Bocchi with none of the text. +--- 57864546 +>>57809596 +Probably a play on the fake Blackbeard flag patches +--- 57864691 +>>57864341 +PK is making that. +--- 57864748 +I hate you sick tranny freaks so fucking much. +--- 57864793 +>>57863254 +yeah they're super fast to delete responses to spam, but refuse to delete the actual spam. Jannies confirmed for intentionally torpedoing the patch thread. +--- 57864910 +>>57864341 +iirc that's Sours art and tacbacon sells a shirt of it. my recommendation would be to go to sour first to see they're doing a patch +--- 57865032 +>>57864691 +Awesome, good to hear that! I'll be on the lookout for it on his site. +>>57864910 +ahh...well I hope they can resolve that issue then. It would be a nice patch for the collection. +--- 57865475 +>>57864910 +I sent you an email a few weeks ago please respond +--- 57865831 +>>57865475 +I'll sort through emails when able. not a whole lot I can do atm +--- 57865933 +>>57865831 +Okay. I just want to know if usps lost my patches or you forgot to send them out. Its not a time sensitive issue so i can wait. +--- 57867897 +>>57867135 +Cool he's doing the Ai scam now +--- 57868597 +cleaning and petching ^^; +--- 57869414 +>57868597 +--- 57869927 +>>57867897 +>you won't be charged until the patches are ready to ship +--- 57870042 +>>57869414 +and? +--- 57871034 +:D +--- 57871091 +>>57864341 +it's such a bad anime though... +--- 57871276 +>>57869927 +I don't want to give a redditor money though +--- 57871291 +Fucking jew made the bundle 24.99 so you can't get free shipping +--- 57871311 +>>57871091 +I enjoy what I like and you can do the same. I don't mind if others do not share the same enjoyment as me with what I find entertaining. +--- 57871324 +>>57870042 + +how do you cope with the fact that the biggest supporters of the LGBTMAP mafia are also the ones leading the charge on gun control? +--- 57871425 +>>57871324 +the same way the entire conservative mafia copes with the nra, trump, reagen, cops etc +doing more for gun control than the dems even could dream of i guess. might want to look into the buzzwords you use tho so you don't ask retarded questions next time :D +--- 57871428 +>>57868597 +trannies are allergic to real fumos, its why they're banned from speedrunning events. +To trick people they make their own custom ones or use chinese knockoffs +--- 57871444 +>>57871425 +>n-no u! + +not sure what I expected. have fun with all the blue states steadily disarming their populace. +--- 57871446 +>>57864341 +Give it a few days. Should be here soon. +--- 57871523 +>>57780977 +waeponized.design 144.1 +--- 57871621 +>>57871425 +>I support gun rights but I'm also a liberal +>I better vote liberal because the conservatives are worse +>My state has banned magazines +>That's ok because conservatives are worse +>My state has now banned threaded barrels +>That's ok because conservatives are worse +>The conservative state next door has removed their license requirement and is another constitutional carry state +>My state carry license now requires me to give a blowjob to a cross dressing preschool teacher while facial recognition software determines if im disgusted or not, in order to evaluate if im liberal enough to own a gun +>Thats ok because conservatives are worse. +--- 57871786 +>>57871291 +oof +--- 57871975 +>>57871291 +waaah it costs money to ship things +--- 57872007 +>>57871975 +yeah but making it 1 cent off so you don't get the free shipping is kikery at it's finest +--- 57872053 +>>57872007 +I think the idea is you're incentivized to buy more so that your money goes to product instead of shipping +--- 57872119 +>>57871621 +OP, have you LOOKED at the conservative politicians being put forward as leaders these days? Yes...theyre worse. How many trannies do i have to blow to keep Marjorie Taylor Green away from appointing judges? Line them up. diff --git a/k/57812977.txt b/k/57812977.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4713515b454628bdf3c23cae06e6f07c2f038a79 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57812977.txt @@ -0,0 +1,638 @@ +----- +--- 57812977 +Anyone here is Interested in a thread about asian armies and their equipment? +--- 57812985 +>>57812977 (OP) +Yeah. /k/ is direly deprived of weapons content. Especially Asian. +--- 57812986 +>>57812977 (OP) +No +--- 57813004 +>>57812977 (OP) +Please, this board has been severely lacking in autistic info dumps. +--- 57813023 +>>57812977 (OP) +impressive +--- 57813035 +>>57813002 +Why don’t you make a thread then, instead of derailing a promising thread into a ukraine seethe thread. + +Those south korean guns are very cool, it’s interesting to see them looking so old but with upgrades bolted on +--- 57813056 +>>57812977 (OP) +apparently China is teasing another border skirmish with India, maybe we'll finally see some action in Asia +--- 57813063 +Eh +I'm just going to post some pics +--- 57813078 +>>57812977 (OP) +yes +--- 57813098 +>>57813078 +>Israel +--- 57813119 +>>57813098 +yes +--- 57813149 +>>57812977 (OP) +Sure, unless you start spamming bullshit about hypersonics +--- 57813168 +>>57813063 +I love these things. Most 80s future looking gun, what were they thinking not adding a stock though +--- 57813224 +>>57812977 (OP) +So how are Korea's and Japan's optics compared to ours? I know Nikon used to be in the scope business but those were mostly fudd scopes and not red dots and prisms. Are they reliant on sales from other nations to get the glass they need? +--- 57813247 +>>57812977 (OP) +The Indonesians have this 7.62 NATO firing machine gun that looks like a weird offshoot of an RPD, and it’s on a spider looking tripod that lifts up whenever you fire it in bursts, so it needs sandbags, felt kinda silly. Also it doesn’t have butterfly trigger, instead it has like a paddle that you twist down like a motorcycle throttle. +--- 57813253 +>>57813117 +>>57813080 +Have any of those 3D printing faggots every made a chassis like this? +--- 57813289 +>>57813224 +Japanese glass is superb. They're using their own company for their LVPOs. Their digital optics OTOH idk. +--- 57813333 +>>57812977 (OP) +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt_mtjhr55Y [Embed] +--- 57813345 +CS/LS06 submachine gun +--- 57813378 +>>57813117 +Is that real? +--- 57813379 +>>57813247 +Their cool guy units also have a lot of cool guy shit. HK 416, and he even have agilite gear, which is illegal there since they don’t have recognize Israel so that’s kinda sick. + +Also the machine gun was the madsdeb saetter, and the Indonesians had converted it to 7.62 NATO +--- 57813428 +Taiwanese camo goes very hard +--- 57813468 +I JUST LIKE IT +--- 57813489 +>>57812977 (OP) +i'm not interested in chink shilling +--- 57813503 +>>57813412 +i have questions +why does the guy have a hammer +what gun is in the back +why is bob the builder leading the way and packing heat +--- 57813535 +>>57812977 (OP) +Define asian +--- 57813552 +>>57813313 +>>57813292 +>>57813263 +>>57813240 +Total gookoid death +--- 57813570 +QBZ95B +--- 57813585 +>>57813570 +--- 57813667 +Zijiang M99 semi-automatic anti-materiel rifle +--- 57813740 +Old pic from Myanmar +--- 57813788 +>>57813667 +implessive height over bore. +--- 57813824 +The W03 sniper rifle was a prototype Chinese bullpup anti-materiel rifle developed as a potential sniper rifle for export to other countries. +However, the W03 was in developmental hell until 2012, when it was developed into the LR2 sniper rifle. +--- 57813843 +>>57813824 +--- 57813865 +>>57813824 +The LR2 +--- 57813878 +>>57813865 +--- 57813899 +>>57813878 +--- 57813926 +>>57813899 +--- 57814116 +>>57813878 +>>57813899 +>Sixth International Police Equipment Exhibition in Beijing +That's an anti-material rifle or one of their funky high velocity grenade rifles, what in the world is it doing at a police exhibition? +--- 57814272 +>>57814116 +>That's an anti-material rifle? +Yes +>what in the world is it doing at a police exhibition? +Is really that weird? +I though most special police units have access to high caliber sniper rifle. +For example,here's a member of the Mumbai police quick reaction team with a Barrett M107. +--- 57814326 +QLZ87 automatic grenade launcher +--- 57814352 +>>57814339 +--- 57814416 +In South America +--- 57814423 +>>57814416 +In Africa +--- 57814435 +>>57814423 +In the middle east +--- 57814437 +T91 with M-lok handguard. +--- 57814458 +The SAR-21 from Singapore +--- 57814478 +>>57814458 +--- 57814688 +Still can't get over how tiny they look holding any gun. +--- 57814706 +SAR-21 in Sri Lanka +--- 57814766 +>>57813078 +>>57813119 +fuck outta here bagel bitch, this is a rice nigger thread +--- 57814817 +YES OP i posted a thread about the JSDF body armor not too long ago, we need "highspeed" japs, they literally larp as tier 1 in airsoft while their military still uses flak jackets +--- 57814820 +>>57814785 +>>57814798 +>>57814809 +I hope Iran nukes you +--- 57814881 +>>57814822 +Tavor is such a good rifle. Leave it to the Israelis to master the bullpup. +--- 57814998 +>>57814817 +https://twitter.com/dewszt/status/1600803742060019713/photo/2 +If you bother looking for more than 2 seconds. The idea that every basic bitch unit should be running around JPCs and FAST helmets is an absolutely retarded notion when artillery and drone dropped grenades exist. The Type 18 is a perfect combo of soft and hard armor. +https://euro-sd.com/2023/03/news/30280/jgsdf-to-adopt-new-body-armour-system/ +--- 57815133 +Indian Military’s improvised brass-catchers made from empty plastic bottles. +--- 57815150 +>>57815133 +--- 57815166 +>>57815133 +Japs used noodle strainers as brass deflectors +--- 57815182 +>>57812977 (OP) +--- 57815225 +INSAS rifles with some factory made brass catcher +>>57815133 +https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NGDyveapEQQ [Embed] +--- 57815243 +>>57815225 +--- 57815277 +>>57815225 +YouTube link mean for>>57815166 +--- 57815332 +Dunno what's with asians and their obsession with brass collecting. +--- 57815338 +Does Australia throwing its SOG guys under the bus count? +--- 57815346 +>>57815338 +No +--- 57815507 +>>57815346 +Walked around Melbs or Shitney lately? Or Brissie? We're an Asian cuntry. +--- 57815542 +Tell me about the insect men, why do they like brass catchers so much? +--- 57815574 +>>57815507 +Ah, yes. And California is apart of Mexico. +--- 57815575 +>>57814998 +looks badass, desu i couldnt find anything when i looked for more than 2 seconds thanks for looking for me. +--- 57815610 +>>57815542 +shiny +--- 57815617 +>>57815542 +probably some ridiculous rule where they count all the brass to make sure its the same as the amount of ammo issued +--- 57815777 +>>57812977 (OP) +Will Taiwan allow foreigners to join their military with this CHYNA threat? +--- 57816279 +The Indonesian Pindad PS-01 pistol +--- 57816288 +>>57816279 +--- 57816302 +>>57816288 +--- 57816343 +>>57815332 +Because most Asian countries have strict gun control, brass are collected to ensure the soldiers don't sneak the bullets home. + +t. Asian +--- 57816408 +You now remember the North Korean helical magazine AK +--- 57816424 +>>57813063 +>>57813168 +There was a provision for stocks on them at one point in time I believe. Why it was never implemented commonly, no idea. +I've been collecting pictures of the fucking PM-9 for a while now to try and generate a 3D model, I want to mill one out of a 4140 block of steel I've got kicking around. +Picrelated - the only example I've ever seen, captured in photo form with a fucking potato. +--- 57816454 +>>57813345 +>>57813354 +>>57813370 +This has to be near the top of all Chinese weapons platforms I really want to fondle. +--- 57816496 +>>57813253 +There are models out there but none that are accurate to the best of my knowledge. +I've been collecting data on this fucking thing for like a year now to try and generate a model. +Internals are pretty much standard Mini/Micro uzi bolt, striker, magwell, and FCG as far as I am aware, with an extended micro uzi dimension barrel and shroud with regular mini/full size uzi barrel nut thread sizes. +--- 57816613 +>>57815574 +Yes +--- 57816650 +Some weird looking suppressors from the 2020 DPRK parade +--- 57816667 +>>57816650 +--- 57816931 +ROK Coast Guard Special Sea Attack Team members during training +--- 57817282 +>>57812977 (OP) +>Other US military branches aren't allowed to wear MARPAT +>Other countries are allowed to wear MARPAT +--- 57817302 +>>57814437 +I want a T91 upper so bad but I'm not impressed with the plastic handguard version that we get here +--- 57817318 +The first M16A1 produced in Korea, serial #001 +--- 57817325 +Indigenously produced 60mm mortar +--- 57817336 +>>57813289 +Dion is the manufacturer I believe. +The model they're specing for the howa type 20 is an 1-10x lpvo with dual reticles so the crosshair remains the same while windage and elevation charts appear out of nowhere in the background when you zoom in. +It's also smaller in length than most other 1-6x optics. +Fuckin' sunrise kingdom magic man. +--- 57817339 +>>57816442 +--- 57817353 +Type 74s are a cute. I hope the japs send some to Ukraine +--- 57817374 +>>57813224 + +The glass in most quality optics comes from Japan. So its probably great. +--- 57817377 +>>57817282 +My understanding is it went like this +>USMC funds, tests, and develops the pattern because the Army has fucked up multiple times in a row making worthless patterns that don't match the biomes or use cases they're intended for, and will surely fuck up again (correct assessment) +>makes a really good pattern that's fantastic in the conditions it's designed for and at the time one of the best patterns for use at night against NODs +>they patent it +>Army suddenly realized, hey we want that +>so the USMC says "so pay for it" +>Army says no, fuck you, I'll make my own digital camouflage, it'll be the best camouflage, it'll work in every environment, on the moon, in grasslands, on your grandma's couch, in deserts, in woodlands, in cities +>they fuck up again, lmao, trying to make it match everywhere made it work nowhere, except on your grandma's couch +>after years of pretending everything is fine they finally pay crye to use their multicam pattern + +So anyway other countries probably either pay to license it or don't answer the phone when the marine corps calls to ask if they're going to pay their licensing fees already +--- 57817389 +>>57816650 +Can't unsee. +--- 57817441 +>>57816572 +I love looking at all the wild kit NK parades out. Its like their army is a bunch of larpers and they are trying to copy every setup they see and think looks cool. +--- 57817463 +>>57813865 +pretty sure this is getting used in myanmar right now +--- 57817603 +Which Asian military has the most soulful camo? +--- 57817606 +>>57816582 +--- 57817688 +>>57817377 +You forgot the +>Shamelessly copied CADPAT and recolored it with leftover crayons the marines didn't eat +--- 57817689 +>>57817603 +Malasya +--- 57818544 +>>57815166 +Adapt, improvise, overcome +--- 57818555 +>>57817353 +On one hand, they're really outdated, on the other hand, they would be fighting vatniks, so I wouldn't be surprised if it would've score a kill on T-90 +--- 57818562 +>>57817302 +You can buy the M-lok handguard on T91 Tactical. +--- 57818564 +A blow forward automatic grenade launcher +--- 57818573 +ROC Army Special Forces are using Trijicon MRO and EOTECH G33 combo on their T91s now. +--- 57818589 +>>57813056 +What's India got? This is China's +--- 57818657 +>>57814881 +it ok, could be improved +and they did +--- 57819964 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIrapk2DT3U&ab_channel=Neje203 [Embed] +--- 57821233 +>>57817353 +Finally, a tank for the latino market +--- 57821282 +I love the look of Jap SWAT. I really want a New Nambu M60 +--- 57822156 +>>57821233 +Lol +--- 57823245 +>>57812977 (OP) +The South East Asian archipelago is an interesting theatre of war. There is a fuck ton of human beings, industrializing societies and an environment that lends itself to amphibious landings and parachuting. If those nations got there shit together and made a military and economic alliance it would make for an interesting civilization given how it is primarily made of islands. Many of these countries have young growing populations and are looking to be the next centers for economic boom if globalism functions properly and industry isn't reshored. The problem as far as I can tell, because there are too many nations to read about is that there individual military strengths suck. +--- 57823554 +>>57814865 +What gun is that? +--- 57823617 +>>57821282 +You should see the chair their boss sits in. +--- 57823898 +>>57823554 +Daewoo K1 but with a Mlok handguard and a buffer tube adapter for the stock. +--- 57824576 +Top armor technology from Philippines +--- 57824591 +Why is it so difficult to find East Asian surplus outside of chinese things? Do they not get rid of it and destroy it? Or is there some secret i'm not aware of? +--- 57825603 +>>57812977 (OP) +Please do so. +--- 57825607 +>>57823898 +The updated Daewoos look pretty good ngl +--- 57825620 +>>57825607 +--- 57826529 +>>57823617 +Kek +--- 57827366 +>>57824576 +>ERA +--- 57829592 +>>57812977 (OP) +--- 57829723 +>>57821282 +Jap MTF looking pretty good +--- 57830117 +>>57818562 +What kind of brass-catcher is that? +--- 57830288 +>>57813078 +what is with israelis trying to post their gay webms at any given opportunity +--- 57830317 +>>57825607 +love it, looks like some Metal Gear Solid V AbominationKino +--- 57830356 +>>57816424 +Reminds me of the MP7 stock Fab Defense makes. +--- 57830365 +>>57818657 +>smallest target takes point +kek, makes sense +--- 57830441 +>>57814435 +whats with the hat? bro looks like he came straight out of a portal from kabul in the 80's +--- 57830500 +>>57816667 +Why I get the feeling that all the snow camo will soon look like M05? +--- 57830570 +SAR 21 is a kino rifle +--- 57830630 +I am partial to the Nork copy of the Komatsu LAV. +--- 57830632 +>>57830117 +Brass Goat AR Catcher +--- 57830691 +>>57818573 +>MRO’s +Holy fuck, they have contracts? +--- 57830719 +>>57812977 (OP) +They have some interesting grenade launchers. +--- 57830735 +>>57816288 +>>57816279 +Wait, what the fuck is this Robocop shit doing in Indonesia? + +Is it a Beretta 93r copy in a funny caliber WITH THE PROP COMPENSATOR STANDARD? +--- 57831557 +>>57830570 +Yeah +--- 57833452 +>>57825721 +What pattern is this +--- 57834042 +>>57831557 +>>57830735 +--- 57835051 +CS/LS06 in Myanmar +--- 57836627 +>>57833452 +No idea +--- 57837714 +>>57823245 +Yeah +--- 57837739 +>>57837714 +Famas +--- 57837890 +>>57814881 +>1.8 MOA on a great day +--- 57837967 +>>57813078 +real tough against rock throwing kids lol +--- 57838195 +>>57813224 +>he isn't aware of Dong In +--- 57838226 +>>57813263 +Why blur a korean? +--- 57838372 +>>57830691 +Like it or not it is a clean picture and shadow from a tube. +--- 57838480 +>>57813224 +When I was in Korea, whatever indigenous red dot seemed like it was somewhere between Aimpoint and primary arms in terms of quality. +--- 57838625 +Anyone got shit on the MSSR from Indonesia +--- 57838996 +>>57813080 +I love how you can shove this gun as is on a Cyberpunk anime like Ghost in the Shell and looks completely futuristic and coherent with its setting, whereas guns like the Type-89 look old as fuck, incredibly outdated. +--- 57839023 +>>57813454 +I'm partial do the A1 variant myself. +--- 57839045 +>>57817336 +That's pretty rad +--- 57839152 +>>57814822 +>proceeds to drive tank into a ditch +--- 57839175 +>>57815332 +Stupidly fucktarded gun control laws to the point in where people can get in trouble if they so much as have empty bullet casings on their possession. +--- 57839195 +>>57816408 +These North Korean tactical vests use some sort of fabric that thinner than my tighty-whities and those helmets are absolutely made of plastic. +--- 57839218 +>>57818555 +Stick a new turret on them and some ERA on the tank's glacis and it will be good to go. +--- 57839272 +>>57825750 +>Daewoo with that heatshield +Sex +--- 57839306 +>>57813503 +Their ways are beyond your understanding, Westoid. +--- 57839561 +>>57817377 +UCP was ok in the rocky mountains of Afghanistan. They worked really well in a sandy environment too after like a day or two of getting dirty in the field. +--- 57839597 +>>57839561 +>if you smear it with the environment it becomes the same color as the environment +wow, very cool +--- 57839697 +>>57830365 +My SWAT team does that too. The guy in the rear generally has the biggest gun and he covers the hall while we search rooms and take corners. When the stack is moving down a hall, we crouch low enough so the rear guy can shoot over our heads if necessary for additional firepower. Because of this, it's more efficient to make the tallest guy in the stack the rear man. +--- 57839847 +>>57839597 +Kys +--- 57839860 +>>57839847 +Your picture is an excellent example. Which part matches? Oh yeah, the dirty part. Wow, the uniform works when it's no longer its original color but is instead literally covered in the environment. And all you need to do to hide in a mud puddle is cover yourself in mud. +--- 57839949 +>>57839597 +sure but it’d be harder if the base color was bright blue or something +--- 57839980 +>>57839860 +>the dirty part +Nigga, it's barely that dirty. I'm still right. Cope. +--- 57839997 +UCP Delta was alright. +--- 57840009 +>>57839980 +>Nigga, it's barely that dirty. +Look at his leg. It matches the ground next to him. Look at the rest of him. It does not. +>i-if I post a tiny res picture it kinda all blurs together! +very nice anon, except even from the thumbnail I can pic out the dumbfucks in UCP, and yet the one guy's multicam backpack blends in to the background. +--- 57840133 +>>57839023 +where the actual mcinfuck do you get those fucking uppers for those things, or rails. Where. How. Who sells them? Where are they sold? Being an american with a T97 is suffering man. +--- 57840261 +>>57840133 +There is this company that I know of, but I don't know if they ship to outside of Canada. + +http://www.t97.ca/ +--- 57840419 +>>57840261 +>>57840261 +i hate you leaf fucks. +>image limit reached +fuck off. +>Please note, the LHG is no longer available and there are no future productions planned. All backorders are filled. Thank-you. +--- 57840563 +>>57815379 +Is that a fucking digital camo M1952 flak vest? +--- 57840569 +>>57840419 +I'm not leaf, am Brazilion. +--- 57840704 +>>57840569 +>Brazilian +Oof chief, that's gonna be a yikes from me dawg. A real WeirdChamp moment from right there, senpai. Just some big cringe energy vibes from this coming from this post, deadass. +--- 57841635 +>>57840704 +fr fr no bussin +--- 57842292 +>>57813313 +>K1A + +>KIA + +hahaha +--- 57842534 +>>57825750 +It took me way too long to realize that that pouch wasn't some tactical codpiece. +--- 57842695 +>>57842534 +Same +--- 57844130 +>>57842534 +>2023 +>not having tactical codpiece +It's like you don't want space to get comfortably erect while shooting +--- 57846870 +bump +--- 57847817 +>image limit reached +Should we make another thread? +--- 57847835 +>>57813056 +One would hope. But it's quite unlikely. +--- 57849024 +>>57813224 +LOW is pretty much the most used optics maker for most scope brands like Trijicon, Vortex, etc. Quality glass. +--- 57850171 +>>57814437 +Pure sex +--- 57851744 +>>57847817 +Well? Yes or not? +--- 57852565 +>>57837890 +you don't need sub-moa accuracy when you're murdering Palestinian children at close range +--- 57853576 +Six million palestinian children... +All death... +--- 57855741 +>>57840133 +How the fuck did you get one of those? I thought access to chinkshit rifles was one of the few exclusive pros of being a gun guy in this socialist ice box versus stateside. IIRC Bush senior put an import block. +--- 57855763 +>>57830288 +US glownigs outsource to Israel to spam shit. +--- 57855804 +>>57824591 + +The JSDF actively tries to keep it out of foreign hands, mostly because of Nork infiltrators having done shit in the past, both in SK and even in Japan itself. +--- 57856174 +>>57855804 +>mostly because of Nork infiltrators having done shit in the past, both in SK and even in Japan itself +I'm curious what other conspiracy theories are actually true. Before 2002 socialists and North Korean diaspora in Japan were claiming that there were no abductions of Japanese citizens by Korean infitrators and that's just a right wing conspiracy theory +--- 57857478 +>>57856174 +Supposedly the Japs have at least some work on a potential warhead if ever the day comes. The space program being a dual purpose ballistic missile development opportunity and their plutonium stockpiles from reactor byproduct, those are public knowledge. But iirc some anon had claimed they had actual research or technical information of some sort on the bomb +--- 57857582 +>>57857478 +>The space program being a dual purpose ballistic missile development opportunity +What, you don't have solid fuel space rockets that can be launched on short order with just a laptop instead of control tower for your peaceful scientific needs? +--- 57858092 +>>57824576 +stand off distance is stand off distance +--- 57860763 +>>57813224 +Pretty good +--- 57861537 +>>57817336 +Wait, are you sure it's 1-10x? According to wikipedia type 20 was shown with DEON MARCH 8x, which sounds like 1-8x optic +--- 57863939 +>>57840261 +Thanks +--- 57865588 +>>57813056 +>"Bloddy bich basterd, post bobs and vagene or I post tinnamin copypasta!" +--- 57865609 +>>57842292 +For me it was the 5.56 nato smg. +--- 57865850 +>>57816931 +These guys actually do shit. North Korea still occasionally tries to kidnap random fishermen, and did so super often in the early 2000s. These guys just hang out and wait to shoot Norkies who try it. +--- 57868838 +>>57812977 (OP) +Non +--- 57871343 +>>57814658 +Wow, a Starlight picture? +--- 57871431 +>>57816343 + +Can confirm (Singapore), heard on the grapevine that quite recently there was one case involving a sergeant which was on guard duty for firearms negligence after a round was discovered to have went missing; one of the guys he was in charge of accidentally ejected/dropped the magazine (a possible mistake is that it was not inserted properly) from his rifle and didn't check the number of rounds thoroughly afterwards + +All I know was that some uncle from the canteen found the round on the ground a few hours later, not sure what happened to those implicated; really sucks because the sergeant (from what I've heard) was already reaching the end of his national service obligations diff --git a/k/57819001.txt b/k/57819001.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5f6debed9b8d61c61efc6aab4a343422df065cb2 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57819001.txt @@ -0,0 +1,755 @@ +----- +--- 57819001 +Does 300WM magazines take 308? +--- 57819165 +>>57819001 (OP) +They will fit inside but it will not fit in a .308 maxwell. Short action vs long action. +--- 57819210 +>>57819165 +I know. + +I'm looking for a way to make my .308 M94/14 take detachable magazines, and PTG makes a Mauser magazine well for AICS long action magazines. Figure if it fits, it'll work. +--- 57819602 +>>57819001 (OP) +>QTDDTOT +Why aren't constant force springs more common in magazines? They seem like a good way to make higher capacity magazines more reliable but they're rare, so I'm assuming there is some catch. +--- 57819628 +>>57819210 +Is .308 NATO's case large enough to not just slip through the feed lips? +--- 57819886 +>>57819628 +That's what I'm wondering. +--- 57819950 +Is there any diffrence between industrial (?) peltor protac 3 like pic related and hunter/shooter model? Or rather are these also ok for shooting? +--- 57819961 +>>57819886 +If this thread is still up when I get home I'll measure my X-bolt magazine. It's in 300WM. Won't be perfect, but it'd be a start. +--- 57820023 +Will a Mossberg 590 hand guard fit the maverick 88? +--- 57820102 +>>57819950 +They don’t have a noise cancellation function like walker razors, but they are a way better NRR of 26vs23. Double the price though, but I can see it being worth it. They’re very nice. Albeit pretty big. I can see them fucking up your cheek weld. + +I’m pretty satisfied with wearing plugs with my walker razors. +--- 57820166 +>>57820102 +Me buddy is authorised dealer of 3m and he could get me these for a very good price. Unfortunately his discounts aint work for shooter/hunter, only basic peltor 3 or slims. +So i should be fine with either of these? +--- 57820252 +>>57820166 +That’s pretty dope. They’ll work well, other than active noise cancellation all that matters is NRR value, and you don’t easily get higher than 26 with over the esr muffs. You’ll probably want to double up still, you never get hearing back once it’s gone. +They do kinda look like it can make getting a good cheek weld difficult, that’s the only issue I see with them. Even the slim walker razors can be against the stock sometimes. +--- 57821325 +Will I ever get a gf? +--- 57821432 +>>57819961 +Thanks anon +--- 57822243 +Can you still buy 30 round mags in Oregon/are shops still selling them? Google seems to go back and forth about it. +--- 57823511 +>>57820023 +Yes but you usually have to buy a new action slide assembly, they usually cost like 50-60 dollars. They're pretty simple to install, shouldn't need any tools or anything. Apparently some 88's at one point were made with the normal 500 one but almost all have it as one piece with the handguard, it's one of the cost saving measures on the 88. +--- 57823536 +Does anyone actually ever use the lanyard loops on handguns? +--- 57823604 +Does anybody know about an AR style buttstock where the buttpad is convex instead of concave? +Like the shaping is the same, but the buttpad itself, the rubber, is cylindrical instead of being either flat or slightly concave +--- 57824258 +>>57819001 (OP) +What if someone drilled a bullet and lodged a tungsten-thorium tig electrodes in it as a heavy metal penetrator, would it work ? Asking for a friend +--- 57824303 +>>57824258 +You'd have to make sure it's extremely well centered, and that it had supporting material from the rear jacket because normal FMJ would just blow the core. +--- 57824408 +>>57824303 +Like this ? +--- 57824546 +I accidentally screwed a 6-32 screw into a 6-48 hole in an aluminum receiver while trying to mount an optic plate. There were some shavings in the hole so I definitely stripped it. + +I was able to attach the plate securely in the same holes using the correct 6-48 screws but haven't shot it yet. Will this hold or am I gonna have to retap a bigger hole? +--- 57824675 +>>57819210 +>>57819001 (OP) +Long action and long action magnum have different base diameters. You want standard long action assuming whatever gun this is has the room needed for a long action magazine. +Make sure your magwell cutout is big enough for whatever bottom metal you're looking at. +--- 57824835 +>>57821325 +yes +WAGMItvhjmx +--- 57824933 +>>57823604 +some of the a1 stocks are like that but then you have to look out for the ones that didnt have the rubber shit damaged or replaced with a2 parts for a trapdoor. +honestly just take sandpaper to what you have and round the edges. +--- 57824935 +Grandfather is circling the drain, and he had decades old books and periodicals on all sorts of gun stuff to go so far as to build your own gun. What is the idea on selling these kinds of things. It's a thing my Grandmother is asking me and my Dad to deal with soonish. +--- 57825312 +>>57821432 +0.466" on the feed lips. +Hope that helps. +--- 57825563 +>>57824408 +I imagine that would work. If you went in from the front I think it could be a problem. +--- 57827377 +>>57824935 +Probably find a local flea market with a "hunting" day or a "military" day and set up. Or a normal flea market. As far as it's just books (and your local flea market is not gay) you should be fine to sell and there will probably be some guy who buys 70% of your shit outright to resell or hoard. Milsurp and old books like that do end up at places like that and there's often sellers that swoop that shit up early in the morning. +--- 57829754 +Why do Americans and chinese dont wear balaclavas/face covering but russians love to wear them ? +--- 57829972 +>>57829754 +Because Russians are ugly +--- 57830187 +>>57829754 +Because Russia is fucking cold as shit and >>57829972 is a nigger +--- 57830200 +Where can I get cheap woodland ALICE pouches +--- 57830928 +>>57819602 +Additional cost, expense, and lower durability compared to conventional springs which already work well. + +>>57819001 (OP) +What is the best FFP MPVO for the money. I like the looks of the Swampfox Kentucky Long and Athlon Helos 2-12s, but I'm curious what else is out there. + +Unfortunate I cannot stand Primary Arms' weird horseshoe reticles. +--- 57833816 +>>57830200 +Good will, pawnshops (haggle on these because they've been in the same spot since the 80s), ebay, yard/estate sales. +Insider Trading: Make a trip to your local military base with $1,000 cash and hit the dozens of pawn shops off base for stupid deals on stupid stuff. +--- 57833954 +Can someone recommend a cheap plate carrier that will fit 1 inch hard plates (militech) AND hard 6x6 side plates? Looking at the Condor modular gen II but want to check out other options. + +Trying to keep it under $200. +--- 57836137 +Is there any reason to get a hammer coach gun over hammerless? +--- 57836400 +>>57819001 (OP) +what do 'target practice' rounds mean exactly? are they still lethal? does it mean they use less gun powder in the bullet? or does it just mean it's a non-hollow point? +--- 57836468 +>>57836400 +What? Are you talking about FMJ? Companies just print "target" on the box because it's their intended use. If they were less powerful they'd be shit for practicing and zeroing with and wouldn't cycle right in semi-automatics. They're still bullets and have killed people +--- 57836536 +>>57836137 +Aesthetics mainly. +--- 57837697 +Is the rdb as bad as people say. 1k for one is really tempting for a first bullpup. +--- 57837805 +>>57837697 +Mines an old one with a fucked up top rail. I've had perfect reliability and its handy, but goddamn don't touch the top rail. +--- 57838230 +Just got this sxs hammer shotgun, wanted to know is it normal for them to have some sort of wobble? +--- 57839091 +I ordered a panzer m4 today from buds +Most bad reviews have to deal with the stupid stock issues so it seems well reviewed +I already have a benelli m2 and m3 and didnt feel the cost was worth it for the b m4 +Anyone have the panzer? how you like +--- 57839543 +>>57836468 +>Companies just print "target" on the box because it's their intended use. + +I was just making sure. I'm a new gun owner but i'm afraid of using hollowpoints because what if I'm in a scenario where I need penetration to take down a suspect? Why isn't penetration more important than wound cavity? +--- 57839557 +>>57833954 + +Try calling pawnshops that focus on firearms. Might have some used plates for sale. +--- 57839562 +>>57839543 +>e. I'm a new gun owne +lurk, faggot +--- 57841713 +Uhh historical question about swords. The development history of the katana is very interesting to me, was there any Western equivalent? +>take standard military sidearm just before the dawn of the modern era +>try to fix any flaws of it +>downsize it, optimize it for unarmored EDC and quick-draw +Rapiers and epees are close, but more difficult to draw and better for dueling than open combat +--- 57841754 +Could a gun CIWS like Phalanx or Goalkeeper shoot down say a 16" shell? What about one of those missile based CIWS? +--- 57842079 +How much of a difference is there between FMJ and hardcast lead? Particularly for large animal defense. I see a bunch of people talking about how hardcast lead is the best load but I don't see how a nonexpanding bullet resistant to deformation would be enough different than a 180 grain flat nose FMJ at 1300 fps to justify paying Underwood 200cpr. +>>57823536 +Some militaries and specialized police people mandate it, the 101st airborne M17 in the new ForgottenWeapons video for instance has a lot of wear on the loop which suggests that at least some airborne guys use them. +--- 57844726 +Why the FUCK dont M11 stocks fit semi auto clones? I just want to make this piece of shit i got for basics free somewhat less shit. + +https://macmachineguns.com/?product=m11-folding-stock-2 +--- 57845027 +Did anyone tried handloading Rhino Solid Shank bullets? How good are they? In my country they're two or three times cheaper than Hornady, RWS or Lapua, yet there aren't many reviews of them. +Who makes better 7x64 factory rounds? Found some decent 7x64 rifles, but the ammo is scarce. +Would it be comparable to.30-06 in terms of power and handloads? I'm not planning to go hunting brown bear, at least right now, but I want to know how good are my chances may be with hand loaded rounds. +How should I choose the bullet weight for my game, is there some sort of a weight-game table, as with bird- and buckshot? +--- 57845046 +>>57841713 +>downsize it, optimize it for unarmored EDC and quick-draw +Epee to rapier, rapier to sidesword, cutlasses and hangers to sabers and messers, trench daggers and fighting knives to bayonets. +--- 57845794 +>>57845027 +I've never used the Rhino bullets so I can't comment on those. 7x64 is about the same power as .30-06. Rifle bullet construction matters more than the weight, but generally speaking the lighter weight bullets will be for smaller game and the heavier bullets will be for larger game. +--- 57845868 +late evening, someone knocking at your door, do you open empty handed? what do? + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0TmKOVyFg [Embed] + +what do? +--- 57846102 +>>57845794 +>but generally speaking the lighter weight bullets will be for smaller game and the heavier bullets will be for larger game +Yeah, that's obvious, But I thought that there would be an easy digestible article on choosing the bullet weight. +Agreed on the construction, but it's hard to find a bad bullet from a famous brand on reloading market. That's why I ask about Rhino, they're not as famous as RWS, but more affordable. I expect to stick with SP, HP and plastic tip bullets, because, well, FMJ doesn't deform as much. +--- 57846127 +>>57845868 +Opening the door with a gun in your hand is retarded, especially at night. Most of the time its going to be a cop. Having a gun concealed or in a holster that isn't immediately visible is a good idea; cops won't immediately shoot you and you have it if you need it. +Step 1: ask who it is +Step 2: if they claim to be the police, call 911 and ask if real police have really been sent to your address. Inform the people outside that you are calling 911 to make sure. If it is the police, you'll have mildly inconvenienced them but they probably won't care. If its not the police, then you already have 911 on the line and can tell them that someone is there impersonating a cop so they can break in, outsourcing your violence to the real cops and saving yourself from potentially getting into a voluntary gunfight. To be clear, this is a 100% valid use of 911. +Alternate step 2: if they don't claim to be the police, use your peephole/doorbell camera (you do have a security system, right anon?) to sus out if you are willing to take the chance on it being a criminal for the chance to help someone. If you cant decide, you can always call someone else to help them out (for instance, sending them an uber if they need a ride, use your imagination). + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEi9Qpnro34 [Embed] + +If you open the door with a gun in your hand, best case scenario you scare the shit out of some confused drunk or pizza boy. Worst case you get into a gunfight with the cops or some criminal. +--- 57846593 +>>57846127 +thanks! unfortunately no peephole where i'm renting. been visited once by two plainclothes, asking about my neighbor. had my rape whistle behind the door, outside of their view, and felt retarded about it since then. +--- 57847047 +I see all the posts about Russia using T54's now and laughing at them for it, but I'm not sure I get why. I mean, the T72's, T80's, and T90's get slaughtered too, right? So are T54's really a down-grade? If a single ATGM will kill a T90, a T54 isn't exactly worse for also getting OHKO is it? +--- 57849127 +>>57819001 (OP) +Bit cringe to say +I have a gun loving OC, (stick in crazy). +What’s cooler/more attractive KAC chainSAW with m203 or sci fi m82a2? +--- 57849320 +>>57849127 +They're both pretty dumb but I suppose I'd find an actual M82A2 impressive. +>>57847047 +The older tanks are more vulnerable to a wider range of cheaper and more abundant threats. As short as the front line combat life of all the systems that already got schlacked was, an obsolete tank would be killed even faster. At some point they'd be getting destroyed so quickly and easily that even bringing them to the fight is a complete waste of time, resources and lives. Hard to say if the 54/55 is really that level of abject uselessness since Ukraine has successfully made use of some extremely modified examples though. +>>57845868 +Have the gun out of sight. +>>57839091 +I don't have the Panzer but I have a different M4 clones that was imported by Charles Daly (601 DPS). Lot of trigger time on it so far and I'm extremely happy with it. +>>57838230 +It's not great but kind of like a revolver a little wobble is acceptable. That means it's either worn, not the best quality or both. +--- 57849437 +>>57819001 (OP) + +Do operators ever use ricochets to take out someone that is hiding behind a structure? For example aiming at a concrete floor or aiming at the side of a hardened wall? Sort of like a trick shot. +--- 57850250 +What kind of ALICE M16 pouches have a big brass ring on the bottom for a drainage hole? It has 1990 and 1991 stamped on it, don't know if ones a contract date and the other and issue date or whatever +--- 57850528 +Assuming all other parts are CA-compliant, could a commie-state ARfag with a featureless grip legally switch it out with a pistol grip if a bullet-button is installed? +--- 57850536 +What optics would pair well with my Savage A22 Takedown? It has iron sights built in but it's kind of hard to see indoors and I get like 5 inches groups with it at 25 yards. + +I also have a bolt action 22lr with a 4-14x scope that I enjoy shooting more. I'm tempted to swap the scope over and see if it's as enjoyable. +--- 57850566 +>>57850528 +Shit meme, faggot +--- 57850585 +>>57850528 +> a bullet-button is installed? +this is illegal in ca +--- 57850587 +>>57850566 +Not enough words tankie? +--- 57850601 +Also, why do people buy SFP optics? Doesn't FFP optics do everything better? + +>shoot paper target +>point of impact is off +>look at markings and measure how far off it is +>dial it in +>done + +Can't do that with sfp unless the rifle is immobilised with a vise or something. +--- 57850646 +>>57839543 +Look man part of being a good hollowpoint is consistent test passing penetration. There's an fbi test that is like the standard for how a hollow point should perform. Nerd out on some videos like tn9outdoors and shootingthebull410 for ballistics test. As long as you don't cheap out on your hollow points and stick to the big 3, federal hst, Speer gold dot, winchester ranger t, you'll be better than fine. +--- 57850648 +>>57850601 +>Can't do that with sfp unless the rifle is immobilised with a vise or something. +i think youve mistaken something or dont actually fully understand sfp. because you can do that. +the issue with sfp is when you change magnification. +dialing in windage and elevation would work fine as long as you knew what you were doing(like how much each click moved) and didnt fuck with the magnification. +--- 57850682 +>>57850648 +Don't SFP reticules usually not have markings to measure with? And even if there are markings, the markings won't translate directly to the number of clicks of the turrets? +--- 57850712 +>>57839091 +I got the same one as wumbo, only have like 300ish shells of random number 7 or 6 walmart birdshot and a bit of buck through it and it's been fine. Have had exactly 3 problems where the shell stovepiped but there were scratches on the brass that were like rough chamber maybe or who knows. Anyways that was only during the first hundred rounds. I installed the Charlie's extended mag tube and ghostloading and ripping 9 shells of anything is dope as fuck. I got some snap caps and practice quad loading, not super pleasant but doable. Stock up on shells, shoot it asap to know if you got a good one. Looks like it's a luck of the draw with Monday morning or Friday afternoon guns. +--- 57850734 +>>57846127 +This is important information +--- 57850752 +>>57849437 +No dude. Just no. The closest you could say would be if they have a round they know could penetrate whatever the enemy is behind, ie: turn their cover into concealment. That is it. +--- 57850761 +>>57850587 +Lol +--- 57850809 +>>57850601 +Ffp is dumb and wasteful for lpvo's in the 1-6 and moreso in the 1-4 because of the size and weight, they're fatter and heavier, plus price penalties more expensive. It's not necessary until you get past 10x which is now mpvo territory. From 1-6 a good reticle and you actually having shot your shit is more than enough to adjust your shots. Also yeah sounds like you're confused as fuck. Watch out for the dunning kreuger drop off. +--- 57850831 +>>57850682 +>Don't SFP reticules usually not have markings to measure with? And even if there are markings, the markings won't translate directly to the number of clicks of the turrets? +this is true but you just experiment before hand and know how your optic works. with ffp it holds true regadless of magnification. with sfp it would change depending on magnification so you woull need to know what it was a 3x and what it was at 9x. beacuse it would changes since its sfp. you write that shit down in a logbook or something. prior to the 2000s all optics were like that ffp and sfp +its not the fault of it being sfp its just being old and unmarked. +--- 57851048 +Is there anyone who makes a chassis like picrel still? or do I have to go through some jew on GB charging thousands + +captcha: GAY4XM +--- 57851243 +>>57819602 +Short answer, expensive. +Long answer, a constant force wouldn't be ideal either. The more rounds you're pushing, the more inertia and friction there is, and the more force you need, so common compression mag springs are in the right direction. They may typically overdo it, but it's cheap and usually can be made to work well, so compression springs are fine. +On the other hand, weak recoil springs of autoloading 22s (meaning limited force to strip the round from the feed lips) and fully loaded 20+ capacity magazines are not a combination that have a great legacy of "usually can be made to work well", so there's more interest in trying the extra bulk and expense for an alternate approach. +--- 57851278 +>>57850528 +There are too many CA laws, just claim ignorance + +>>57851048 +https://www.milehighshooting.com/ai-chassis-systems/ That is always going to be pricey +--- 57851497 +>>57851278 +Something about the newer AICS stocks just doesn't do it for me. The AWM / MK13 Mod 5 just does it for me. I just didn't wanna shell out the 4-5k for an old deployment kit +--- 57851506 +>>57851497 +Reading this back, I sound autistic as fuck. +--- 57851746 +>>57849437 +No but yes. +If you're thinking of it like bouncing a billiard ball off the edge of the table for a precise shot from a new angle, that's not viable at all. Bullets and the surfaces they hit aren't purpose built for making intuitive bounces, they're going to deform in the process, affecting the angle in ways you can't predict, and the remaining energy of the bullet will be weak. +But if you add up a lot of weak random ricochets, you can eventually expect results in some situations. The story of tony stein and his custom machine gun is that he dumped shitloads of ammo into the windows of pillboxes, small concrete rooms, and successfully relied on ricochets for effect on the enemy inside. +--- 57851796 +>>57824546 +Retap with bigger hole and screw, or alternatively use a thread repair kit. There are several different types I use at work: +Heli-coil: +>easy to install and remove +>Best general use ones and inserts are cheap. +>messups/failures don't damage parent material and can be removed easily +slimsert/rosan insert/rosan slimsert: +>only usable in soft material +>Much higher strength then heli-coil +>Cost more for both tool and inserts +>Still easy to install (requires limited forgiving counter boring) +Some kits have a separate counter sink tool while others use a stepped drill bit +>https://catalog.howmetfasteners.com/category/all-categories-slimserts-reg- +LOCKRING THREADED INSERTS +>HIGHEST STRENGTH +>MASSIVE DICK +>(for use in soft materials) +>Requires BIG counter boring to install +>Counter bore depth matters a lot +>0.015+ IIRC is bore depth tolerance +>can only install each size lockring twice +>https://catalog.howmetfasteners.com/category/ring-locked-inserts + +Bullshit mentions that you should avoid: +keensert +>gay and finicky to install, difficult to remove without damaging existing hole +using gaybweld/excessive locktite/thread locker/anyotherglue +>I'd hate you for that. +Using a coil of wire and tapping to the next size +>Heli-coils work cause they have a rhombus cross-section that fits threads perfectly, but in a pinch using appropriately sized wire isn't the worst option. +Alternatively you can drill it out bigger, and then +a.tap for a bigger screw, and then drill into that screw, and then tap the inside of that screw for the correct size +b.IF you or a friend have access to a lathe, even a small or mini-lathe you can make a threaded bushing to press fit inside the hole. +If you have any questions, I'll refer you taewoeaweokawodkasnfb wm,.amwmd .wafcv cx +--- 57851933 +Just got my first gun, a P365XL. Are there any grips or mods I should be looking for? I'm not a huge fan of the stock grip but otherwise very happy with it. Put a 100 rounds through it today. Also, any good videos on fundamentals of shooting and things to practice would be much appreciated. I definitely need all the help I can get there. +--- 57851942 +Has anyone here directly compared 22lr accuracy between ammos like Federal AM22 (LRN) and Federal 745 (CPHP)? +Are they both waxed? I imagined CPHP has less wax if any. +--- 57852256 +>>57849437 +yes and no like>>57851746 said. +You don't ricochet a bullet expecting it to hit someone, HOWEVER one real world example of +>For example aiming at a concrete floor +is what made a small protest turn into +>ROLLIN' DIRTY TANKS IN THIRTY +Specifically I am referring to the euro-maiden protests in Ukraine (funny how things worked out) where riot police would fire slugs at concrete floors at an angle to shatter it and cause large amounts of directional concrete fragmentation/spalling that was used repeatably and effectively to destroy and shred peoples knee caps and lower legs. It turned a lethal slug into concrete buck/bird shot that would maim rather than kill. I see no reason why rifles couldn't do it on a smaller scale. +>p.s. +Concrete is very low density, and chunks or splatter that breaks off would have a very unlikely chance at any deep penetration of tissue (the lead slug fragments not included). Any small fragments would likely lose significant amount of energy before reaching you and be like a worse sandblaster at a distance. Any big chunks would likely cause crushing/blunt damage rather than normal ballistic damage. small rock sized chunks would probably cause the most damage, as in sharply edged 1-3 inch long, ~1 inch thick or less, and while would not penetrate deeper than their length, would still not make a great time. Pebble sized ones would be equivalent to low power pellet gun with terrible ammo. +>t. Concrete ballistics enthusiast since 2013 +--- 57852386 +I found this magazine in a car at work. No note of the caliber. It's a Promag but I got bored looking through their catalog. What's it for? Never seen a mag with such a protrusion +--- 57852406 +>>57852386 +SKS thingmabob +--- 57852461 +>>57852386 +More specifically, a detachable mag since a stock SKS comes with an internal mag and is fed from the top with stripper clips. +--- 57852512 +I've been out of the hobby for 2 years. During this time my state banned mags and about to do an AWB. + +What I gone done? Whats the overall state of affairs in the hobby? What the hell happened to the prices of 5.45 and 7.62x39? +--- 57852519 +>>57824258 +I always wondered how you'd cut them down to a consistent size. Also they might be too brittle for. Most people I see speculating just wanna stuff them in hollow points like maybe 3d print ballistic tips that are also a sabot to seat the penetrator or something. +--- 57852594 +New suppressor owner here, a week ago I went shooting, came back and cleaned my baffles with an ultrasonic cleaner (manufacturer said it's fine), dried it, and reassembled. Now I opened up the can and have these dark spots all over the baffles, the surface is still smooth but I'm certain I fucked up somewhere. I was pretty sure I dried the baffles thoroughly before I reassembled. What causes this? If it's just cosmetic then it's no big deal but I want to make sure I don't make the same mistake on future cans. +--- 57852707 +>>57852519 +grinding them with the same tools you use to sharpen them for welding +>diamond wheel +At my work there is one that has a block fixed to it with different sized holes (for different sized tungstens) and it has 2 sets, one set of holes is on a moveable angle (for sharpening the point) while the other is at a straight 90 degree angle (useful for blunting your tungsten). I believe it would be simple to sharpen one like normal, then flip it around and "trim" the back side of it flat and to length. If you want to get really consistent you can do above but hold it in a object that has a shallow or repeatable depth, like a pair of needle nose vise grips but you weld on a fixed plate on one side of the top jaw to zero off of and then either settle for whatever size that is or mill and/or file the side that will be facing the tungsten sharpener flat to whatever desired jaw thickness (translates to length of tungsten) you want. +>all in minecraft of course! +--- 57852930 +>>57824935 +send anything rare/interesting to the internet archive, or scan it yourself +--- 57852970 +>>57851933 +>Are there any grips +if you're comfortable with it, no +>or mods +never mess with the mechanics of a carry gun unless absolutely necessary, but a red dot (the holosun 407K is a good option) and light (TLR-7/A and TLR-1 good) are recommended +>Also, any good videos on fundamentals of shooting +twink-rex arms has some good content +https://www.trex-arms.com/category/Pistol/?post_type=video +--- 57853156 +>>57852970 +Perfect, thanks anon. +--- 57853181 +>>57850734 +<3 +>>57850536 +Depends on what you want to do with it, if you already have a scoped .22 then I'd personally go with a red dot. Sig is making them really cheap nowadays, I've been pretty happy with my MSR but you can pay a few dollars more and get something like the Romeo 5 which is a little more user friendly. Downside on a takedown rifle is that you have a potential to shift your zero every time you disconnect the barrel. I don't know if that's much of a concern on an A22 in particular but if your trying to shoot a squirrel at 50 yards and your zero is off by a couple inches, it could make a real difference. +>>57851933 +The Wilson Combat grip mods are great, but the thing that will really improve your capability at this point is a case of 9mm 115 grain fmj range ammo, whatever you can get the cheapest that isn't Ammo Inc (picrel). +--- 57853260 +>>57851933 +>>57853181 +As for technique, +In order to hit something with a handgun you need to point the handgun at that thing and then make the gun fire without moving it. This is much easier said than done. Assuming you know how the sights work, the only two things keeping you from shooting accurately are the trigger pull and recoil anticipation (sometimes called flinching). +For the trigger pull, dry fire. A bunch. More than you're thinking. P365s are dry fire safe (as with most modern handguns). Practice pulling the trigger until you can reliably make it break without the sights moving at all, if you're new to shooting it might take time for the fine control muscles to get developed. +As for flinching, its pretty common that people will jerk the gun at the last moment as they are firing, pulling it off target (often low and to their non-dominant side). You can load snap caps into your mags at the range to better understand the concept, but the only way to beat it is shooting a lot and making yourself not flinch. +--- 57853390 +>>57853181 +I'll look into those grips. I've been buying boxes of Blazer 115 FMJ for the range. +>>57853260 +This is exactly my issue. If I try and shoot quickly (for me) my shots were all low left. When I stopped, exhaled and pulled the trigger deliberately I had much more success. I work from home so I'll probably just practice dry firing all day. That was another thing I couldn't get a straight answer on, whether the dry firing the gun was going to damage it. Again, thank you all. +--- 57854173 +Any good magnified prism optics for yuro/commie guns with a significant stock drop? Absolute cowitness at minimum, lower if possible. +--- 57854213 +Good first aid kit or first aid items? I got an amazon gift card, so something non-chinkshit from there would be good +--- 57856118 +>>57819001 (OP) +I want a box magazine fed .22lr bolt action with a wooden stock and peep sights to satisfy my particular autistic idiosyncrasies. I'm thinking of getting a savage mk2 and mounting techsights to it. Would there be a better option I'm not considering? As far as I can tell the Savage is on par with those lovely CZs for build quality and accuracy so price is in the MK2's favour. + +Also is it a bad idea to use JB Weld to mount the techsights permanently. I intend this to be an irons only rifle. +--- 57856517 +>>57856118 +>I want a box magazine fed .22lr bolt action with a wooden stock and peep sights to satisfy my particular autistic idiosyncrasies +Zastava MP22 +Or might buy biathlon rifle like Anschutz +--- 57856540 +>>57856517 +Ah, sorry, missed the peep sights +You can install aftermarket sights tho +--- 57856573 +>>57854173 +Not sure about stock drop, but try VOMZ PIlad Brevis. I should beware you, VOMZ sights have jumpy quality, some may be good, some break apart just as that. This is determined by assembly quality rather than model flaws. +And don't buy VOMZ on Aliexpress, Ali sellers put VOMZ brand on typical chink airsoft sights +--- 57856582 +>>57854173 +Veber Wolf, Dedal Stalker +--- 57856727 +>>57856517 +>>57856540 +I intend to. I haven't found any factory irons for 22s that aren't either notch and post or Lyman style peep sights. I'm not fond of either. The Zastava is a lovely piece and the Anschutz are well regarded but both are pretty rare and expensive in my neck of the woods. I don't believe tech sight has a model for them (not that I know why they're model specific), and haven't seen other peep sight manufacturers of that style for those rifles. That's why the CZs were the other option I was considering +--- 57856859 +>>57856118 +>Also is it a bad idea to use JB Weld to mount the techsights permanently. I intend this to be an irons only rifle. +see >>57851796 +>using gaybweld/excessive locktite/thread locker/anyotherglue +>>I'd hate you for that. +locktite and thread locker would be the correct option because those can be removed with heat. +--- 57857616 +the dumb fucks at discover declined my $30 c&r renewal fee with the atf. They sent the text out and I responded yes it was legit but I don't think the ATF has tried again after it was declined the first time. Are they gonna send my renewal papers back or just send me a letter telling me to pay? +--- 57857853 +/o/ here, didn't know where to put this. What gun does Slim have? +--- 57857888 +>>57857853 +AR15, but something seems fake about its barrel +in car equivalent it is a civic with body mods +--- 57857929 +>>57857853 +some additional info for a non-/k/ anon +The front looks so different from what you might consider a standard ar15 because someone switched out the normal hand guard for a quad rail and then left the grippy covers on it (covers rails and is supposed to be for grip, but gets lost/damaged easily and not worth keeping). +--- 57858026 +>>57819001 (OP) +Were czech Hedgehogs thick/sturdy/strong enough to stop a 7.92 bullet? +--- 57858264 +>>57852519 +I know a guy who knows a guy who just 3d printed a sabot for 7,62x39 with a 2.5mm hole to fit the 2.4mm tungsten tip, also possible with the 4mm tips. 2.4mm might be better when drilling the lead bullet and lodging the tungsten inside. 4mm for sabot rounds. All was done in international waters ofc. And to cut and sharpen them you use a grinding wheel as >>57852707 said +--- 57858287 +>>57821325 +What a weird question. +--- 57858306 +>>57824258 +>>57824303 +>>57824408 +>APAnon you are forgotten +--- 57858398 +>>57858306 +I don't have knowledge of this piece of board lore, please explain +--- 57858555 +>>57819001 (OP) +easiest way to get Rust-oleum off a gun without damaging its finish? +--- 57858582 +>>57858555 +cloth. If the finish comes off with a cloth then it was already damaged. +--- 57858736 +>>57858582 +no, i mean, rust-oleum, like the spray paint +--- 57858780 +>>57833816 +Are you allowed to go inside a base if you’re just a regular jackoff? Last time I was in Washington there was a Taco Johns inside Lewis-Mcchord but I ended up not going in since I wasn’t sure if I could. +--- 57858792 +>>57858736 +oh. I though you meant the de-ruster, doesn't help that they sell a wide variety of stuff that could be applied to (ghettod) guns. +I would need to know the finish in question. +If it's on a wooden piece, give up. +>high grit sanding to remove paint is POSSIBLE but aids to actually do. +If it's on metal, use paint remover or brake cleaner. +>do this outside + If it's on plastic, find out what paint stripper works on said paint but doesn't melt the plastic +>NO ACETONE ON PLASTIC! +--- 57858811 +>>57858792 +Ah no worries. It's just my AR-15 I camo'd up like a year ago and got sick of the scheme. Was thinking about using brake cleaner but was worried about it taking the finish off the aluminum, so I wanted to ask just to make sure. +--- 57858854 +>>57858780 +No, you need a common access card. Most bases will allow you in if you have one even if you are not assigned to that base. The reason is that military bases actually have a lot of supporting civilian jobs that are usually worked by people who are married to active duty personnel. The main one being working at the commissary, which is a tax free grocery store. So people if theoretically questioned on why the have a need to go onto a base that they are not assigned to can say shopping at the commissary which is a legitimate thing that happens. Some bases have food courts with franchises in them, and bigger bases even have a full blown mall. Common to most bases at minimum is at least one B/X (Base exchange) (ranges from gas station mini-mart to small Walmart sized) and one Commissary (day to day necessitys mainly). +--- 57858856 +>>57858736 +this will do the job perfectly. though be willing to detail strip the gun during/after cause that shit gets everywhere. +--- 57858885 +>>57858856 +true, will keep in mind! thanks king +--- 57858899 +>>57858811 +brake cleaner is fine for both anodized and non anodized aluminum. If it's bare metal aluminum it will remove the oxide coating but aluminum self passivates and forms a thin protective oxide film over time. +--- 57858938 +>>57858398 +It was done already with tungsten scribes. +--- 57858982 +>>57858899 +Anodizing is an oxide coating on aluminum. +--- 57859079 +>>57858885 +coat all painted areas liberally, let it sit overnight, then brush it off with a toothbrush or something. +it expands so it will get in all the cracks and crevices like under the gasblock. so you really need to detail strip afterwards to get rid of all the residue. +the surface will be unharmed. +--- 57859144 +Is there any downside to leaving one in the chamber for a pistol in terms of corrosion? It's for CC, but I leave it chambered while I'm at home. +--- 57859170 +>>57859144 +if it was years theres the possibility of moisture getting in and rust happening ruining the gun but under normal use even if its months its fine. just check that shit occasionally. +--- 57859199 +>>57858982 +yes. Anodizing is a very thick aluminum oxide coating that traps dyes in it. brake cleaner is very slow at removing aluminum oxide, and it's solvents will evaporate before it makes any significant amount of progress on the outermost layer of oxidation. On regular aluminum the oxide coating is a single layer thick, hence why it is important to mention it. It is also very slow acting on aluminum oxide so it only becomes a problem when left to sit for a while. +--- 57859227 +>>57859144 +>>57859170 +Galvanic corrosion can happen, though unlikely. just applying a little oil to the chamber and then wiping off excess should be enough to stop it from happening. the oil will evaporate one you fire. +--- 57859551 +>>57859199 +Care to explain how an organic solvent removes oxides then? +Only in the gun world does it seem to attack aluminum. Kind of weird considering the amount of aluminum in cars, almost like manufacturers know this and formulate appropriately. +--- 57860013 +>>57859551 +>Care to explain how an organic solvent removes oxides then? +Acetone +>Only in the gun world does it seem to attack aluminum. Kind of weird considering the amount of aluminum in cars, almost like manufacturers know this and formulate appropriately. +They were retarded and some non chlorinated organic brake cleaners still use acetone +--- 57860787 +>>57859551 +By the power of niggers +--- 57860955 +Ibought a berreta 92 x rdo , I like it alot how ever when i try to put a new mag in when the action is open there is always a jam . however when i close the slide , put a mag in and pull the slide back there is never a jam. Am I just operating this gun wrong? +--- 57860986 +>>57860955 +>when i try to put a new mag in when the action is open there is always a jam . +how are you releasing the slide to send it forwards? +how much force are you using slamming the mags in? +--- 57861016 +>>57860986 +yes I am releasing the slide , its kinda concerning being that berettas are pretty reliable, but if i am just an idiot then thats ok. I could be using too much force , but I tend to baby this gun since its my first +--- 57861034 +>>57860986 +i misread that , i am using the slide release +--- 57861050 +>>57861034 +is your thumb rubbing against the slide while you hit the lever? +--- 57861063 +>>57861050 +i use my thumb to hit the lever +--- 57861073 +>>57861063 +If you slingshot the slide, do you have this issue? +--- 57861082 +>>57861063 +so its only the slide release you are sure you arent fatfingering it? if your thumb or other bodypart is slowing down the slide that would explain it. +if you are sure its not that we move down the checklist of common causes. +--- 57861255 +>>57836137 +Some people chamber them then manually put the hammers down, which can be dangerous depending on the design for obvious reasons. 12ga hammerless typically aren't stored loaded and certainly aren't drop safe. +If you don't care for that it's, as >>57836536 points out, for aesthetics only. +--- 57861517 +>>57861073 +no , slingshotting always works if its what i think it is (putting a mag in when the slide is closed, pulling it back and letting it close) + >>57861082 +im not sure what the fatfingering is , i am new to the lingo of /k/ but i dont think i am doing that +--- 57861524 +>>57861255 +>and certainly aren't drop safe +That depends entirely on the gun in question. Some have "interceptor sears" which is a fancy word for a drop safety. +--- 57862180 +>>57861517 +>no , slingshotting always works if its what i think it is (putting a mag in when the slide is closed, pulling it back and letting it close) +thats not what it is +sling shotting is pulling the slide back with your left hand then letting it fly forwards. +no easing it down or any bullshit like that. +it doesn't matter if the slide was closed or already locked open. + +fatfingers should be self explanatory. you are fat so you hit more than the thing you intended to. like 12 when you only meant to hit 1 on the keyboard. + +if it isnt going into battery when using the slide release you need a new recoil spring. your current one is too weak. this assumes that you arent doing something else retarded like being in the way of the gun, no lube, or extremely dirty. +--- 57862271 +Are archery threads allowed on /k/? +--- 57862486 +>>57862271 +you can make one and it will die or be full of bullshit. +--- 57862637 +I have a Vortex Venum laying around, should I put it in my AKV, Benelli M4 or on my suppressed .22 handgun +--- 57863471 +>>57862271 +it's /k/ WEAPONS not /K/ GUNS +weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee +occasionally have bow or cross bow threads. +No weapon is too old or too small, we will go back to fists and the humble rock. No weapon is too new or too big, whether it be back yard bombs (aka Gigaton nuclear weapons) or space lasers. +--- 57863634 +I tougt about asking /x/ but I figured you guys might know more about this topic +how do I get skinwalker gf? +--- 57863691 +>>57862180 +ok , thank you for telling me this , Ive got dainty fingers so no fatfingering here , so I guess I will try a spring and just better maintenance. Thanks again +--- 57863787 +>>57862637 +based chiyoposter +--- 57863858 +Will Czech hedgehogs (specifically the design used at Normandy) stop a 7.92? +--- 57864135 +>>57860013 +Acetone does nothing to anodizing. +--- 57864138 +>>57819001 (OP) +What does this mean? It's my grandfather's ribbons from Korean War. +--- 57864165 +>>57864135 +>t. retard +>https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_the_effect_of_acetone_to_anodized_aluminium_surface +--- 57864288 +>>57864138 +https://www.uniformribbons.com/ +This site has pictures I will not spoon feed you more. +--- 57864615 +Is Bad Dragon still a gag for unboxing threads? +--- 57864635 +>>57863858 +At 500 yards and a compound angle? +No +At the muzzle and perpendicular? +Yes. +--- 57864641 +>>57864165 +You never bothered to read your link did you? +--- 57864895 +>>57819001 (OP) +What magazines can accept 44-40 ammunition? I ask because I would like to use a magazine to reload my six shooter more efficiently. +--- 57866587 +>>57851497 +>>57851506 +NTA but don't worry anon, I fucking love the old AWM stocks too. I'm biased, of course; it's all old games and movies that I saw those old green AWM/AWPs in that made introduced them to me, sure, but I love the look. Folding or other colors are cool, sure, but the "original" or whatever model it is I like will always be better looking in my head. +--- 57866602 +>>57852512 +>What the hell happened to the prices of 5.45 and 7.62x39? +Russian ammo import bans baybee. I do not look forward to the future of x39. I love my SKS. May be brass cases and reloading in my future, and for x39 of all things. +--- 57866618 +>>57856118 +CZ? I really want to buy one of those silly 26" barrel rifles. And then put a suppressor on top of that. +--- 57866622 +>>57857853 +>no iron sights at all +how does he aim??? +--- 57866631 +>>57864615 +I haven't seen that in years. It'd certainly be a welcome sight. +--- 57867051 +>>57819001 (OP) +Marlin 336 Classic, Winchester 1873, or 94 for a deer hunting rifle? I have never been hunting before, never had a lever action before, and figured it was a good excuse to get one. Just can't decide at the moment. I like the classic styling on the Winchesters, but the Marlin seems more practical and probably comfortable to shoot. +--- 57867180 +>>57819001 (OP) +who makes a good floor jack + +I want to be able to lift high enough to do work on the suspension of my pickup +--- 57868454 +Are there any good infographics or anything for ink or book-making or especially handmade typewriter inkribbons or printing presses? I'm a moderately successful smut author and artist, and I feel like bespoke pornography would be highly in demand in post-apocalyptic scenario. Like how some people recommend you stock up on honey and mustard and salt to trade. +--- 57869779 +>>57866631 +It seems the kiddos on /k/ nowadays don't care the culture of the board from years past +--- 57869895 +>>57867051 +>Marlin seems more practical and probably comfortable to shoot +Marlin are a slightly better optic host but otherwise they're the same +Be careful with Marlins as their QC was trash for a good handful of years and there has been problems afterwards too. Take a nicely made winchester 94 and never look back, don't make the same mistake I did. +--- 57869936 +>>57869779 +I always do a 'gay sex with hats on' tab when I take a screenshot. +--- 57870450 +>>57869895 +>Take a nicely made winchester 94 and never look back +2nding this. John Browning's design plus Jap QC autism is a winning combination. The Miroku-made Winchesters have much better fit and finish than the Marlin. +--- 57870679 +Grappling best martial arts for hazguns? +What if countering knives? +--- 57870973 +I went to the range yesterday to shoot my s&w642. I fired 5 rounds of my carry ammunition which all fired fine. However, I bought a box of 50 Norma .38 special training rounds from the range. 6 out of 50 rounds failed to fire. It appeared every one of the FTF rounds had a depression in them so I’m hoping it’s just the shitty range ammo but I’m concerned. Should I be worried about carrying this until I can shoot a different box through it or should I assume it’s just the ammo? + +Second unrelated question, here were the 5 rounds I fired of my carry ammo. Is this acceptable for shooting at 10 yards with a jframe? I should add that when I was using the training ammo I had a bad habit of shooting slightly high and to the right. What can I do to correct this? I shoot left handed for the record. +--- 57871016 +>>57870679 +The best martial art is the one you train consistently. Grappling especially has a much higher learning curve to become proficient compared to striking, so you should do whatever you’re more interested in. If you want to ground fight, do bjj. If you like throws and standup, do judo or sambo. If you like to do standup without the go (and also be a special snowflake) see if you can find someone who teaches catch wrestling. If you want to do a little of everything, join an mma gym. + +Don’t be afraid to shop around to find what you like either. +--- 57871329 +>>57868454 +>Are there any good infographics or anything for ink [...] making +You can make ink out of green Walnut husks. You cut the green "fruit" off and let it oxidize. The finer the better I assume since it lets the air oxidize it faster. Then you put it in water and boil it to concentrate it down. It takes a while and dark brown/black ink would take quite a few walnuts but it'd be doable. Also it's a rather permanent ink; your hands will be black afterwards, kek. Wear gloves. You can "paint" or write (quill and ink or calligraphy pen) with it but you'd be stuck with black/brown tones. +>or especially handmade typewriter inkribbons +You might just be able to soak ink ribbons to reuse indefinitely as long as they are not the plastic type (fabric only) but the challenge would be keeping them wet while not getting everything filthy and ink covered. +--- 57871526 +>>57819001 (OP) +What are some good QD scope mounts that provides options for offset microdots? I know of the Burris PEPR, using their picatinny ring tops, and of the Unity, are there other options? I like the PEPR solution, it seems super simple and I'm surprised that more manufacturers don't do it. +--- 57871537 +>>57871526 +forgot pic +--- 57871608 +Where are the adjustable sights for one of these? +--- 57872282 +>>57869936 +Remember the /k/lass photos? +Wonderful times from when we had actual fun +--- 57872367 +>>57872282 +NTA but I never got in one and I regret it in some strange way. I remember the last one or two devolving into autistic picture size/cropping arguments, leaving out wrongly formatted photos, and multiple "real" or "final" versions by multiple anons when there were disagreements and that was it. What a weird way for those threads to fizzle out. +--- 57872456 +>>57869895 +>>57870450 +That's what I'll get then, thanks guys. +--- 57873043 +>>57872367 +I mean, my dumbass was able to make a 200x200 picture for the collage +Shit ain't hard +Dude was putting it together, the least everyone could do was format the pictures correctly +Also Squid +--- 57873114 +>>57873043 +>my dumbass was able to make a 200x200 picture for the collage +>Shit ain't hard +No doubt, but I seem to remember that getting very common in the most recent two threads I remember. Before that I can't remember it. Maybe it was the phonefags, I dunno. Then it just sorta died out after that which was odd to me. Thought it'd come back after the year or two off but it just never did. diff --git a/k/57824354.txt b/k/57824354.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e954f73d813fb6d9f3d7312274e97034a5b23032 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57824354.txt @@ -0,0 +1,1275 @@ +----- +--- 57824354 +Chinese here. Share with you amerimutts some war stories. Heard from family members or people I know irl. +--- 57824443 +Grandpa on mother’s side fought Korean War. +He was arti crew. Don’t know how he survived through America-tier CAS. +One mission includes”organising lost soldiers”. PVA used to rush alot for outmanoeuvring, long range, mountainous terrain, and on food. It was inevitable that someone would straggling. His unit would gather them and wait for other units to take them back somewhere. Occasionally there would be deserters. +Grandpa don’t want to talk about that. +--- 57824566 +The artillery position of another unit get caught by F84. He said they were “plane with big thing on the end of wings” so I guess they were f84. +Grandpa’s unit came to assist after the attack was over. +Total hell. They have to find some guns still functional. Remove…human body parts out of artillery pieces. Then took guns back to service. +The heat was brimstone level. Something would melt and stick together with guns. Have to be removed with tools. +--- 57824622 +>>57824443 +Artillery crew? Like a mortar team or actual artillery? Because the PVA could only use mortars in the early phase, but then they used actual artillery later on. I think the Battle of Kumsong was like the culmination of Chinese experience with artillery, since they were able to send a shit ton of artillery down at UN positions +--- 57824638 +He knows someone who fought indians during borders clash decades ago. Generally indians got fucked up by Chinese infantry. But some urban legends left. It’s said that some india guys can shot chinese hmg gunner through the sight on sg43’s shield. With only iron sight brits bolt action. I don’t know if it’s real but I have read accounts on some random partisan silenced a jap bunker by snipe the shooting holes with only a rifle. +--- 57824681 +>>57824622 +They used real thing. American guns captured from KMT. We used to joke that Chiang Kai Shek ( we call him Jiang Jieshi) actually runs the clandestine logistics department of early PLA. +--- 57824696 +No something’s wrong. He’s not grandpa. He’s grandpa’s father. +--- 57824709 +>>57824681 +Lmao that's pretty funny. I'm guessing alot of PVA troops were thankful to your grandfather, artillery was scarce and so were logistics to supply shells. As well as it being a damn scary job with US counter battery and air support. Has he ever spoken about the Japanese invasion? +--- 57824745 +>>57824709 +My Grandfathers friend was a translator for the Allies in Burma when the Chinese Expeditionary force was sent to fight with the Americans and British against the Japanese. He was sent there because he was the only guy educated enough and who knew english. So it's interesting to hear stories from other Chinese as well about veterans. +--- 57824794 +Grandpa on father’s side spend university years during cultural revolution. +I try to explain it simply. +It’s like early modern Europe. +CCP is Christianity. Mao is Jesus. Dissens are Muslims. That’s many people know. +But many people don’t know the christians also divided by catholics or many thing else. +That’s how gang fight between red guard groups began. +One gang in university seized the radio room and do mission all day long on top volume. +Grandpa was on the other gang. They tried to besiege the building and capture the room back. +They tried to rush in through doorway. +Defenders throw things. Attackers repulsed. +Grandpa’s friend had an idea. +They flipped a basketball pole. Using the H shape base as bow. They cut many bicycle tires to make strings. +Behold. A siege engine. +Firing bricks to suppress defenders. +While assault team rushing in. +Building captured. +Top volume didn’t turn off. But changed to another tongue. +--- 57824909 +>>57824709 +Grandma experienced japs. +Just as what book said. +Entire street in her village was literally emptied. +--- 57825001 +One neighbour old man fought Vietnam. They experienced the horrific people’s war themselves. + Soldier helps a Vietnam granny. +Granny hugged her help. +Then took out a triggered grenade. +Partisans attacking logistics convoys everywhere. +Poisonous bamboo spike traps. +Soldiers had to put steel plate in boots. +But on real battle Vietnam was shit. At least china arti was batter. +--- 57825030 +>>57824443 +cool, my grand dad on my mom's side was a tank crew member, he remembers there being russians on the ground in Best korea +--- 57825062 +Grandpa’s family used to work as servant in the house of a KMT officer. He was a division commander of Fu Zuoyi’s clan. Maybe not Fu’s army but be one division in Beijing area. His family name is Zhang and he had many pet snakes. +Xinbaoan, a city near Beijing. Besieged by PLA. +That division went for enforcement. +Ambushed halfway. Typical PLA tactics. +Commander ran back home that night. Covered with mud and blood. +He flied Taiwan a few days later. +--- 57825155 +>>57824709 +Grandma has a older brother and a older sister. And many younger siblings. +Many of them died during the famine of You Know When. Only she and her older brother survived. +Japs attacked the village on the same day her mother’s giving birth to another sister. +One soldier rushed into house. +Older sister points the birth to soldier. +That Japanese lad just turned away. +I sincerely hope that jap survived the war. +--- 57825250 +>>57825155 +Was your grandma's family in the north like Shanxi? +--- 57825269 +>>57825001 +Yeah the battles during 1979 were terrible for everyone involved, I think the Battle of Cao Bang was the worst meatgrinder of the war. Vietnamese were very skillful with ATGMs and RPGs so Chinese tanks were picked off alot +--- 57825324 +>>57825269 +The use of grenade launchers(m79in this case) and the importance of issuing helmets. That war actually taught china alot. +--- 57825360 +>>57825001 +why was Chinese artillery better? +--- 57825362 +>>57825269 +I watched a Vietnam film on YouTube recently. It’s funny how films of commie countries portrayed their enemies in exactly the same way. +--- 57825377 +>>57825360 +Simple answer. China has more. +But it’s true that Vietnam has soviet 130mm but china not. +--- 57825411 +>>57824638 +>With only iron sight brits bolt action +Completely possible for a trained rifleman as far back at the 1800s +>>57824794 +>a basketball pole. +>Behold. A siege engine. +>Firing bricks to suppress defenders. +awesome. pour one out for Gramps next time you open the baizhu +--- 57825488 +>>57825411 +Red guard gang fight is not something to be proud of. +In Many places the fightings are bloody. Many people died just for argument on who is Maoist canon. +--- 57825519 +>>57825250 +Yes. In central plain. +--- 57825746 +>>57825519 +Did your grandfather defect to the PLA during the Civil War or did he only join during the Korean War? +--- 57825805 +>>57824794 +>Top volume didn’t turn off. But changed to another tongue. +Revolutions, gentlemen. +--- 57825870 +>>57825488 +>Many people died just for argument on who is Maoist canon. +Damn that's fucked, got to admire the dedication though +--- 57825903 +Ya/Herb. +Get dunk on you yellownigger. You'll never be human. +--- 57826474 +>>57825488 +On /k/ we do not care why men fight, only how they fight. War is eternal, glory is elusive. +>07 Grampa Wang +--- 57826485 +>>57825870 +Boy have I got something to show you and it's called "1000 years of religious wars in Europe" +--- 57826594 +>>57824354 (OP) +Do you still live in China? +--- 57828734 +bump for GMT +OP good thread +--- 57831467 +>>57825746 +He’s too young for fighting japs. I think he just joined in late 40s and only fought the Korean War. +He stayed in NK for a few years and then went back home to return civvie life. That’s when he met grandma. +I have no chance to ask now. He passed away a few years ago. +--- 57831486 +>>57826594 +Currently studying in UK. family still in China. +--- 57831535 +>>57825870 +In some place gang fights involved rifle, tank, gunboats. It was relatively peaceful in Beijing. Fighters only use bayonets stolen from PLA. +In Sichuan a gang removed another gang and many many civvies with ZPU. Mao thought things are out of control. PLA was ordered to stop them. Then gang fights stopped. Everyone turn to dissents. +--- 57831582 +In old times the soviet nuke threat was real. So most “politically entrusted populations” had militia training. My dad has a mate received training for 37mm 61K in late 80s. +Amerimutts literally shocked everyone how they fucked iraq. +“You’re gonna go fighting apache and a10 don’t you?” +Mate smile like a mobik just received draft. +--- 57831720 +One current classmate is from Taiwan. +I might be thought autistic if they find I know huge amount of ROC military lore. + +We all know how life would be once under commie rule so that's not a question. +But I do think ROCA would not stand a chance when the invasion commenced. Even if US intervention is real but that would not rise chance to 50/50. +Huge loss of life will be on both sides. Like typical chinese civil war, especially when one side is crazy. +I cannot imagine how huge cities would be like during the war. I cannot also imagine how partisans would do after the war. +--- 57831832 +>>57831535 + +>ZPU + +holy shit +--- 57831856 +>>57831720 +Interest in /k stuff is pretty common so he could be a potential friend, even if you're from the enemy's side. +Interesting stories. Thanks for sharing. +--- 57831895 +Thank you for this thread friend. Interesting read +--- 57831967 +>>57824354 (OP) +why chinks be calling american mutts while they are mutts themselves? +--- 57832016 +>>57831967 +why you amerimutt call chinese chinks while you are mutt yourself +--- 57832032 +>>57824794 +Based these stories rule +--- 57832045 +>>57831856 +not he, she. +that's why. +I don't want one more person think I'm chrischan lite. +though they all don't know cwc lore as well. +--- 57832082 +>>57831582 +The stuff I’ve read about militias was nuts. They didn’t just give them rifles but mortars, anti air, heavy machine guns, some trucks… +--- 57832094 +>>57832045 +>she +this is you +--- 57832102 +Anyone play Arma3? +I'm ElderLZ on steam. +It's bizarre how Arma "predicts" what happened now.(actually arma just recreated what happened in Moldova I think). +But the only thing different is CDF evoved into arma3 while russians remained in flashpoint. +--- 57832117 +>>57832094 +wtf is this? +--- 57832147 +>>57832117 +the direct result of the one child policy +--- 57832159 +>>57832102 +I kinda envy you, I’d kill to be able to study modern Chinese doctrine and philosophy but I’m a monolingual cucked by translations. I’m a bit away of systems confrontation warfare and tianxia. Is tianxia an idea people discuss or take seriously? +--- 57832196 +>>57832082 +In the old times militias were everywhere. Every village has militia, mostly typical light infantry. Every state-run factory has militia. +They were on defensive or aux role. aa, at, trucks, like you said. +The most of them were light infantry with rifle, mortar, zpu and rpg2. +Some village militia on south east also run some costal defence or patrol. +They gave Taiwan recon some hard lessons. +--- 57832229 +>>57832082 +By the way. In 80-90s, public security is shit, police were too few. Many criminals buy or thief guns from militia in cities. That's partilly why the militia thing was cut around the same time. +--- 57832254 +>>57832196 +Yeah I watched How Yukon Moved the Mountains, I saw some of the costal milita drills. Fascinating stuff. +--- 57832320 +>>57832159 +Philosophically I think Tianxia may means the entire known world. For a long time the known world didn't change. Siberia-south china sea-Xiyu-Yellow Sea. +Tianxia isn't talk seriously I think. +Old people in my family used to take abit taoism. Some read Laozi's book and some practice Qigong. +(Normal Qigong, NOT the human combustion one!!!!!!!!!!!!) +--- 57832352 +>>57824354 (OP) +--- 57832371 +>>57832352 +--- 57832393 +>>57832371 +and thats all i have in my "fuck china" folder besides a pic of Douglass MacArthur and a carrier with a ramp, because i refuse to put forth the mental wherewithal to expand it. +--- 57832437 +>>57832371 +These're some old logical fallacies and shit thoughts. Everyone hates that. I think they're dying, though on a slow speed. +What do you mean by this? +--- 57832969 +>>57832147 +I never though the things in that pic can be together in one pic. +--- 57832986 +>>57831832 +Puts the whole "this is just like the cultural revolution" stuff you hear about protests in perspective. + +>>57832229 +I've also heard that crime was high in the 80s. + +>>57832159 +Interesting book here: + +https://community.apan.org/wg/tradoc-g2/fmso/p/fmso-bookshelf +--- 57833084 +>>57832986 +>>57831832 +The city is Chongqing. There's a lot factories for river gunboat, so as to weapons for gunboats. +Here are accounts: +August 1 1967. One group fortified a school building. The other gruop took control a factory of naval AA gun. They took out tens of ZPU4 and DshK out and shoot the building. +August 5 1967. One group tried to human wave a hill captured by another group. Defencing group use 20 to 30 people to lift a ZPU onto the top of that hill. You know what happened next. +--- 57833111 +>>57831486 + +Where and what in the Uk are you studying? +--- 57833138 +>>57832986 +Yes. Crime was crazy in 80-90. Even in Beijing. With many guns came from militia weapon depots. +Chinese has no SWAT then, only regular police with type 54(Chinese TT) or type 64(Chinese PPK). +When my father was at my age there were rumors of a guy with a stole 81-1 fleed somewhere to Beijing. People were in panic for months then. +--- 57833149 +>>57833111 +Studying urban planning. In scapa flow. +--- 57833172 +>>57833149 +>>>57832986 +Based, I do History in London. I have a lot of Chinks with me and the guys are absolute lads, the girls are a little bit difficult but I enjoy you guys a lot. + +It really really surprises me how Anti - CCP a lot of them (all I spoke with) are - like saying Xi and his party are actually damaging to China in the long and middle term and how they like democracy here. + +Captcha: WAR X2A +--- 57833205 +>>57833172 +haha. +I always think the way to fuck up nationalism is to know a person from other country in person. +Chinese hate west, west hate chinese, that's what ccp want most. +--- 57833233 +>>57833172 +don't feel bizarre when some of them turn mute when you talk politic with them. That's what we're "trained" to do. +I don't have many chinese around me. Most of them are from south china. No north guy like me. Others are hk or taiwan. +--- 57833327 +>>57833233 + +I try to avoid inner chinese politics as much as possible, but they are huge pacific war nerds and we bond a lot about that and other historic engagements between china, japan and other countries. + +I actually think that we westerner are way more cucked by the CCP than the chinese here. I said something in class in regard to HK and Gibralta and the Falklands being neighbors to "evil" neighbors in the 1960-2000 (Francoist Spain, Maoist China and the Argies) and my prof actually told me I should refrain from such generalisations specifically in regard to the Chinese students in class as they are from the CCP. + +Interestingly enough my friends from the mainland basically agreed with me, that the chinese regime was/is bad and that they do not understand our lecturer here. +--- 57833421 +best thread on this board in a while +You play any Squad, OP? +--- 57833425 +>>57833233 +nta, but whats the north/south chinese divide actually like? I hear it mentioned occasionally, but only briefly +--- 57833497 +>>57833425 +There's 1,700 km between Hebei and Guangdong. Nearly the same between Texas and Virginia. We use the same Mandarin and that's all. A lot of differences in many things. +--- 57833504 +>>57833421 +It's not as huge as chinese meme says. But it exists. +--- 57833538 +>>57833421 +sorry I reply to the wrong person. +I don't play squad. +FPS. too nervous. My heart beat as fuck when I tried COD for the first time in 2015. +RTS. too boring. I play Red alert 2&3 for more than 10 years. +So I choose Arma in between. +--- 57833575 +Thanks for these stories chinanon. +--- 57833733 +Dear asdfg, I have an unrelated question. To us it seems comical or unbelievable that, during the Red Guards period, people would worship mango fruit after Mao received one from Pakistan. How are events like that regarded today in the public consciousness? +--- 57833859 +>>57832016 +Because racism is 4chan culture. +--- 57833921 +>>57824354 (OP) +How is life in China these days? Are there still lock downs or is that pretty much over? +--- 57833930 +China anon have you read the three body problem? Thats the only chinese thing ive interacted with recently beside chinese tiktoks +--- 57834063 +>>57833859 +>>57833859 +You have right to racism and others also have right to racism you. +That's my favourite part of 4chan. +Unlike some place irl, where only one group have right to racism others and when others racism back they're labelled morally wrong for racism. +--- 57834077 +why did the PLA gain so much ground in Korea but get stopped in Vietnam? +--- 57834117 +>>57833921 +I don't know. +My family says they're fine. Lockdown happened before and after I left. Chaos for supply commenced in the first few days and then things back to normal. +My grandma had lung cancer once and she caught covid. She's fine. It's a miracle. +Old people're vulnerable so once I get back this summer I would stay home for a week before go to see granpa and grandma. +This only applied to Beijing. I don't know how people in other cities doing. You guys out of firewall may know this better than me. +--- 57834129 +thank you for your stories, friend +peace and fortune upon you and your family + friends +--- 57834216 +>>57834077 +I think these are different case. +I don't think China have thought of gaining vast land in Vietnam. Their only goal was to make Vietnam draw back their focus from elsewhere. One opinion is Vietnam want to be Gadaffi of Indochina and China attacked to stop that, by forcing Vietnam to remain moblised in north. +When China got back they did many demolition to interrupt Vietnam economy. Maybe that's one point. +--- 57834313 +>>57834117 +What part of Beijing does your family live? Is it true that the bars at Sanlitun are gone? +--- 57834372 +>>57834313 +None of us go for bars even before covid. +One of my highschool mate remains posting her bar safari on wechat everyday so I guess the bars are still there. +--- 57834417 +>>57834313 +Sanlitun, this name has story. +Around a week before Christmas eve of 2014 or 2015 someone said on the internet that Uyghur Separatists were planning an attack in Sanlitun against foreigners on Christmas eve. +The rumors gone viral on the internet that week. +Police even arrested that retard to disarm the storm of public panic. +--- 57834472 +>>57824696 +There are some rather old Anons.... +--- 57834490 +>>57824794 +Very fucking cool. +--- 57834529 +>>57834063 +This. Morals and rules are gay. Let us fight! +>>57833930 +A friend loaned that book to me at a mining camp and I had no idea what to expect. It was really good. Highly recommended. + +Thank you for your stories OP. +--- 57834651 +>>57833930 +>>57834529 +I only did read the book version around 2016. Then I read some other books by him. +I don't read alot scifi books so it's hard to compare. +Liu's books are cold I think. +Inhumane somehow. +He said the topic he discuss is how human would behave under"extrem conditions". +If you want to find how Chinese massing people thinking nowadays on how society and world politic truely works, go for Liu's books. +I don't think what he writes are scifi. They're realism under a highly censored environment. + +If I can choose a future to live. I would go for Startrek than Liu's future. +--- 57834671 +>>57834417 +>Sanlitun +so you're like Chinese aristrocrats? +--- 57834680 +>>57834671 +What? +--- 57834702 +>>57833930 +>>57834529 +One more suggesstion. +Go for books, not movies. Book are Liu's thought, movies are CCP's. +--- 57834747 +Here is a urban legend. +I met one guy on a chinese site. He said his granpa who worked in a Steel Factory in Beijing actually saw a few Panther tanks. Soviets sold them to china for wasted steel. +He thought his grandpa was talking about T34 or 3485 or even M41 so he showed him different pics. +Old anon pointed Panzer V and said that was it. +--- 57834875 +>>57834651 +I agree with you, Liu writes humans from a very detached perspective, the most “ human” feeling character in 3 body is detective Shi. Im glad you like the books and find them an accurate presentation of chinese thought and opinion. Im very curious to know more about the average chinese persons thinking and way of life, its a shame it seems like the US is ramping up aggression towards your country, the government might suck but so does ours. +--- 57835373 +>>57834216 +i would imagine it also has something to do with how the locals felt as well, north korean opinion probably ranged from greeting them as saviours to neutral while the vietnamese had grandmas blowing themselves up with grenades to kill chinese troops if what anon >>57825001 said is true which makes things way harder, also different geography probably played a role along with vietnams many years of fighting on paper stronger opponents +--- 57835978 +>>57833425 +Northerners eat more and are chads, souferners are poofs. +--- 57836571 +>>57835978 +Maoists mainly concentrate their fire on Beijing people like me and Southeast people- ironically, most of my friends. They think Beijing people are enablers(sorry for using christory word lmao) and southeast people are people who gain economical benefits in Reformation. +--- 57836688 +>>57833327 +I think calling things evil is emotional language and your professor was right for calling you out on it. Use better words. +Also if they're not careful they lose Chinese gibs as well as the Chinese there end up being heavily questioned and less likely to have a good life when they go home. +I see why they do it for the students, but not letting students discuss it at least is pretty shit. +--- 57836867 +>>57824638 +Old tribals in the subcontinents are natural born sharpshooters and still are. +I've seen 9yr Olds plinking needles with .22 from far away. +That's why Pakistan has a hard time quelling insurgencies in balochistan. They get fragged from miles away. +--- 57839044 +My ex-gf from high school had a grandfather that fought in Korea. +I was doing a program with a local congressman and he had us interview a veteran and write their story. +He was a badass, was a Marine, was there throughout most of their tactical retreat, killed a few commies, survived a human wave attack, managed to capture an enemy soldier. Got sent home after his left leg got blown off below the knee. Got married and had a on of kids. I was honored to have deflowered his granddaughter. + +I was told after that I was the only person he had shared that much of his war experience with. +The interview is preserved in the US National Archives. Not that anyone will read it probably, but it's cool that something I wrote is there. +--- 57839063 +>>57834063 +Fair enough slanteye +--- 57840327 +>>57836688 +In a lot of countries there are unofficial Chinese cop shops that are therer to look over the Chinese ex-pats, they will just bodysnatch you if they think you are fucking up in your fancy gwailo school +--- 57840427 +>>57824354 (OP) + +1- Is it true Mao was about to invade Taiwan when Best Korea chimped out and attacked South Korea, meaning that Mao had to take his army to help Best Korea and they lost too much soldiers and material so the Taiwan invasion had to be postponed? + +2- Have you seen the American perspective of the war (meaning how the war is portrayed and talked about)? + +3- Is the Korean War talked about a lot in China? + +4- Is it true that one of the reason the modern CCP leadership is so paranoid about control is because they had their formative years in the Cultural Revolution and don't want something like that happening again? +--- 57841410 +>>57824354 (OP) +What secret code word should I shout to the other line when I get drafted and sent to the front in mainland for ww3 that will prevent Chinese soldiers from shooting at me? +--- 57841480 +>>57841410 +台湾不是中国的。香港也不是中国的。钓鱼岛永远是日本的。Say these magic words to get free cigs and baijiu +--- 57841539 +Old fag here. Mother in law was in PLA. Better than starving, as military at least got food. +--- 57841590 +On a different note, got absolutely ripped on PLA booze one night.. +--- 57841625 +>>57841480 +--- 57841719 +>>57841590 +China is an alcoholic's paradise. You can get a gallon of 56% gaijin for $5 +--- 57841789 +>>57841539 +Throughout human history this has been a constant theme. You get treated like a dog and you may die tomorrow, but at least you can eat buns +--- 57841871 +>>57841719 +>>57841590 +Meant to say baijiu don't know why it got changed to gaijin +--- 57841902 +>>57841789 +>>57841539 +One of the interesting things I’ve noticed about the (pre-deng) PLA is that they didn’t seem to have endemic sexual abuse of the women in their ranks. It certainly seems there was some, certainly during the early civil war before the Japanese invasion, but not nearly as much as one might expect in what was essentially a mainly-peasant army that was frequently starving, doing dangerous guerrilla warfare, sabotage, etc. +Obvious sexual assaults did happen though or mao wouldn’t have put out a pamphlet on military discipline and conduct that including, alongside “don’t loot,” “please don’t rape women, people will hate us.” + +*I as pre-deng because I am much more ignorant of the post-cultural-revolution era of PLA history +--- 57841987 +>>57841902 +I think the pre-Deng PLA really drank the kool-aid. Alot of the old people and boomers I've met seem to really think the party takes their interests to heart +--- 57842018 +>>57841987 +It was the same in the USSR. even tho they had to wait in line to buy toilet paper in the 80s, boomer Russians after 1992 often cried for the Great Sovier State to help them instead of democracy +--- 57842025 +>>57825030 +Were they really far behind lines? I find it hard to believe the soviets would risk losing one of theirs and have the corpse be unretrievable +--- 57842174 +>>57834077 +The military that went into North Korea had been seasoned by ~20 years of warlords and an invasion by the Japanese. Many were also schooled and trained by advisors from the Allies, both American and Soviet, in order to help with the South China and Burma Campaigns. + +The military that went into Vietnam was mostly party loyalist which had went through twenty years of famine, poverty, and near-Civil War conditions during the Cultural Revolution. + +It also doesn't help that when they went into Vietnam, they were going up against a military that had been seasoned for the last thirty years in irregular jungle and urban warfare, and was also on a war footing thanks to Cambodia and Laos going full retard with their own cults of personality. + +Basically, China had to neuter its military post-Mao in order to prevent a 2nd Cultural Revolution. Chinanon might have to correct me, but this is also why the PRC adopted harsh anti-gun legislation in comparison to the years of the Red Guard, where most school students were kitted with WW2 surplus. By the time Mao died, several factions were already preparing for a 2nd Cultural Revolution, with hardliners threatening to go Khmer Rogue mode. + +By the way if any anons want to go "WTF" look up the Shanghai People Commune, and the whole Wuhan Incident. Cultural Revolution almost broke into Civil War several times. +--- 57842226 +Damn this is an interesting thread. It's not often we get to hear from somebody from mainland China. My grandfather lost his leg to a German mine in the battle of the bulge so I guess that makes me the old anon +--- 57842589 +larper can't even speak chinese +--- 57842640 +>>57842174 +The Shanghai people’s commune was pretty intense yeah. Sort of like a Paris Commune inside of an existing civil strife situation. So chaotic even the hardliners wanted it done with. +--- 57842682 +The fact that people type out all these posts makes me feel great because I don't read them +--- 57842713 +>>57842682 +Good on you, anon. Reading's for fags +--- 57842738 +>>57834472 +I'm on the cusp of still being young enough to be called 'young' and my grandfather fought in WWII. Perfectly believable. +--- 57842841 +>>57833084 +And they were just citizen gangs? And they did all this because they believed in communism that strongly? I know little about China but that sounds crazy. +--- 57842889 +>>57842226 +My dad's aunt's husband got knee capped in the Ardennes when the Germans counter attacked. He had to play dead overnight and hide under another American body to avoid detection. He pulled the pin on a grenade when he thought they were about go get him, but they didn't noticed him and he realized how difficult it is to put the pin back in in the dark. + +Later he made a friend who was also in the Ardennes and got his knee fucked up on the same leg, but the dude was on the German side back then. +--- 57842989 +>>57842841 +Yes. Read literally any account of the cultural revolution. I know it sounds crazy but kids aged 13-22, typically aged about 15 or 16, were constantly fighting each other. Usually it was on the level of street gangs with sticks - sort of imagine the peak of post-trump maga v antifa street brawls but happening literally everywhere and somewhat encouraged by the government. Every building was covered by huge posters which loudly proclaimed so and so was a revisionist. Universities, high schools (which iirc started about year 7 like in the UK), apartment blocks and factories were divided into factions who debated, carried out propaganda campaigns and frequently got into brawls. Sometimes people were beaten to death, hung, etc. Three Body Problem includes a scene of a man being beaten to death for espousing General Relativity - it’s framed as a going-to-far by over enthusiastic youth during a party show trial, but that sort of thing did happen, it’s not at all exaggerated. +And that’s without guns. Local militias were armed, and I mean proper militias properly armed, especially with light field artillery and anti aircraft guns. They drilled frequently and enthusiastically because of quite reasonable fears of US/USSR invasions, but also to be able to defeat the PLA if they became “reactionary.” +When those got involved it turned into small scale warfare and armed skirmishes. + +While fictionalised you should try to read the three body problem excerpts about the cultural revolution specifically because it will give you real insight into what that was like. 15 year olds gunning each other down over the specific wording of pamphlets. The CCP allows such writings because the official party line is essentially that it was a mistake/sabotage by far-left radicals in the party, and ending the cultural revolution and putting those supposed leaders of the violence on trial was how the Deng government cemented their legitimacy. +--- 57843003 +>>57842989 +>>57842841 +Meanwhile the tiananmen square protests were carried out against the Deng government, by a combination of factions most notably pro-western democracy forces and pro-maoist/pro-cultural-Revolution forces (but it was more complicated than that). The massacre was the steel heel of the Deng government and PLA demonstrating that there would be no second cultural Revolution nor would there be any sort of pivot to liberal democracy. +Obviously the successors of Deng want to look like a peaceful continuation of the legacy of ending internal strife and bringing about prosperity after the “mistakes” of the cultural revolution and Great Leap Forward, and the Tiananmen Square stuff tarnishes that narrative +--- 57843047 +>>57842989 +>>57843003 +How did they come to be that crazed over communist writing minutiae? It wasn't like that in the soviet union's early days, was it? +--- 57843067 +>>57834671 +Are you trying to dox chinkanon or something? +--- 57843092 +>>57843067 +Sanlitun is a district where there's lots of diplomat housing. The heavy diplomat presence led to people setting up bars in the area with many concentrated on an unpaved road that everyone simply referred to as "dirty bar street". Notable recent events there are a ricecel stabbing a Chinese woman to death in front of her French boyfriend and a lady recording a crappy sex video at the Uniqlo store. Asking if he hangs out there won't reveal his identity. +--- 57843097 +>>57843092 +>Notable recent events there are a ricecel stabbing a Chinese woman to death in front of her French boyfriend +based +--- 57843103 +>>57843047 +>It wasn't like that in the soviet union's early days, was it? +Nigger are you fucking kidding? Russians of every commie and other political stripe killed each other in droves. The big meta story of the Russian revolutions and civil wars was that the various communist and authoritarian factions sucked at winning battles and wars, but kept winning the peaces, while the anarchist factions like the black guard were ridiculously combat effective but insanely easy to slaughter and disperse with secret police etc once the battle was over. +--- 57843119 +>>57843103 +The way it's always been explained to me was after the revolution there wasn't actually much in the way of street violence, and all the killings were either quiet political assassinations or regular old gulag death camps. Government-sanctioned street gangs beating and sometimes killing eachother seems like it's several levels above that. +--- 57843144 +>>57843119 +https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_uprisings_against_the_Bolsheviks +--- 57843201 +>>57843047 +It’s kind of a complicated question but +>mao himself +>memories of the civil war +>memories of the Japanese invasion and the Korean campaign +Mao, it cannot be stressed enough, encouraged freedom of criticism to an absurd degree. I know this might some strange to a western reader but there’s a logic to it. Think of it as a combination of social mobiliazation, civic engagement, and kind of a bottom up censorship. Random people were encouraged to attack party officials (usually not physically) for failing to do their jobs and follow mao’s policies. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticize_Lin,_Criticize_Confucius +It’s hard to talk about concisely but here we go - after stalin’s death mao was shocked by the Krushevite changes and the 180 on the cult of Stalin. It became apparent to mao that krushev had been preparing for such a coup and “shift to revisionism” for years before Stalin’s death. This lead to the sinno Soviet split. But at home mao began to fear a similar coup, believing it would originate in the party, which was actually huge and unwieldy and he never had anything like full control over (how could he given china’s size and the pre-modern state of infrastructure), and backed by the PLA. So Mao essentially tried to use the masses to control the party from below for him, through semi-organized and semi-directed campaigns of criticism and removal of party officials (sometimes violently) and trying desperately to keep the PLA from being independent +Now, criticism from below was sort of mythologized in the party. During the civil war, retarded leadership were retards and were taking retatded advice from retarded Soviet advisors. This nearly wiped out the party and only didn’t because mao said “this is retarded we’re going north.” +Why was it so bloody? Because of the lessons of Japan and Korea, and because of fears of the PLA and the USSR. The Chinese took a rifle behind every blade of grass seriously (cont) +--- 57843208 +>>57843047 +>>57843201 + mao believed that an armed, organized populace (loyal to him) was necessary to protect against internal coups and external invasion. So random fuck off villages were organized into platoon or company sized militias with some old military hardware, including mortars, trucks, anti air guns etc. these drilled quite a lot. You had costal militas, factories organized into political study groups that doubled as milita platoons, etc etc etc etc. these were explicitly trained to be wary for both internal and external threats +After the sinno Soviet split the Chinese people were primed with endless essays, articles, speeches about the dangers of revisionism, the importance of adhering to the revolutionary path and maozedongthought, the dangers of party officials trying to turn the state against socialism and maoism and to fascism (which the Chinese would associate with the Japanese invasion of China). Mao has been telling them this is exactly what happened in the USSR, who are now threatening china with nuclear annihilation and denying them machinery which can lift them out of poverty, trying to destroy socialism. +So mao says +>we need to organize struggle at all levels of society to protect against revisionism! +And they take it to heart. You know American culture warriors telling you that children’s cartoons are going to destroy America? Notice how American high schoolers get extremely emotional about either things being too woke or not woke enough? That was what China was like, but actively encouraged by the head of state and most admired man in the countr, and with a similar proliferation of guns but with less small arms and more military surplus. And with government organized student groups on the level of JROTC but with more political debates. They literally had internecine brawls over opera and poems, debates about specific pieces of opera were often centrepieces of debates and struggles in Beijing amongst both party officials and lay people. +--- 57843234 +>>57843208 +In short - imagine your typical teenager who is way too into politics. Now imagine their idol has told them they have to struggle against internal enemies or there country is doomed and there will be mass death. Imagine he encourages them to form groups and engage in struggle personally, tells them they’re the future of their civilisation. Imagine now that they’re given fucking guns and told to root out corrupt municipal figures and people with the wrong beliefs who will destroy America. +Imagine if Trump went on /pol/ in 2018 and told them that if they started attacking commies in the street he would be sure they were protected from prosecution. +--- 57843265 +>>57843201 +>>57843208 +>>57843234 +>brawls over opera and poems +Wow, how strange, and, well, foreign. I honestly don't think I can actually truly imagine something like what you described taking place in the US, as with your Trump example. Interesting stuff anon, thank you. +>>57843144 +Look how shit-tier and uninteresting this response is in comparison. How embarrassing for that anon. +--- 57843873 +>>57824354 (OP) +thank you for comfy thread china anon +--- 57844774 +>>57843097 +I forgot to mention he did it with a katana +--- 57844839 +>>57841590 +This thing has a reason. +In wild cold war era chinese light infantry need something that can do both in medical and hydrate way. +When the army became motorised the drinking cult just die out. +PLA prohibited drinking alcohol many years ago. +--- 57844883 +>>57842841 +It is crazy indeed. +In People’s War theory there is no noncombatant. Commies around the world have taken advantage in it for more than 100 years. +Most people taking part in fighting received military training. At least the training about how to shoot sks and using grenade. +That city also has factories of ordnance so it’s easy to get arms. +--- 57844948 +>>57843234 +Dude are you Chinese? +中国人? +--- 57844959 +I didn't expect this thread to survive this long... +--- 57844993 +>>57825030 +Do you know where he was trained? My grandfather was a tank driver then commander under Patton in WW2 with three bronze stars. When Korea started he was brought back as an instructor in Virginia. +--- 57845165 +>>57832117 +Severe mental illness +>>57832147 +It could be diaspora +>>57832969 +Have you seen non-4chan social media? It's full of LGBTQ commies that are pro-China, pro-Russia, pro-Iran, pro-Palestian and basically full on tankie. They literally root for countries and leaders that would make their lives miserable if not kill them. +--- 57845879 +>>57845165 +Tankies shall be treated in the way how tankies would like to treat dissents. It's mirror fairness. +--- 57846791 +>>57825488 +How did the cultural revolution gangs realte with central and local authorities? As far as I am aware, things like public trials and struggle sessions were official, unlike the gang fights. Were the administrative revolutionaries above reproach from any gang, or was it a struggle of which gang were the regional officials? +--- 57846812 +>>57843265 +>>brawls over opera and poems +>Wow, how strange, and, well, foreign. I honestly don't think I can actually truly imagine something like what you described taking place in the US +I can only assume you're joking +>>57843208 +>>57843201 +>>57842989 +I remember a book with with a white horse on the cover about this; can't remember the name. was written well before Red Scarf Girl, anyway absolutely nightmarish stuff yeah +thanks for butin to a quality thread +--- 57846882 +>>57846791 +there were a lot of sudden and not-arbitrary promotions and demotions, a cadre leader would accuse the local boss of capitalism or revisionism and the higher up bosses would either promote him to local party boss after he's taken out he local boss in some hideous manner, or they would gin up another cadre across town to oppose them. +violence from the street, middle ranks in turmoil, orders from the top. +bog-standard populist-authoriatrian playbook, straight from the French Revolution right on through Hitler and etc +--- 57846912 +>>57842589 +of course its a larp. let people enjoy things, bigot. +--- 57848142 +>>57846882 +>>57846791 +The thought behind it is that they would eventually revert to capitalism as things calm down, heirarchies reappear, society gets orderly again, and the only way to prevent that would be continuous revolution by constantly encouraging whoever was on the bottom to keep attacking anyone who gets higher than them. This is why ancom is worse than stalinism. The only way to make society be moneyless heirarchyless grugs is to have them constantly kill eachother and cut down any grug that gets too high +--- 57848368 +Why? Just, why? +--- 57848787 +>>57844948 +Not him but Maoist China is a topic a lot of non-Chinese can and do put the actual intellectual effort into understanding beyond pop-history bites and narrative-driven (from either end) portrayals. +It does not extend the other direction from my interactions with Chinese nationals. I haven't seen you tread near it in this thread, but even non-pozzed Chinese nationals tend to have cartoonishly poor or otherwise low-resolution understandings of US history beyond militaria. +--- 57848801 +>>57848142 +>they would eventually revert to capitalism as things calm down, heirarchies reappear, society gets orderly again, +And they were completely correct as we can all see, which led China and Xi to unironically reinvent fascism as a working model and by God he's got a decent shot at pulling it off +--- 57848922 +>>57834063 +>You have right to racism and others also have right to racism you. + +im saving this quote. +--- 57849048 +>>57848787 +I have to admit that my timeline about American history is linked up by war after war. From Chicago indians to Afghanistan. And I have no idea on how American politics before 20th century. +--- 57849134 +>>57848992 +Based +--- 57849180 +>>57848368 + +Oh God you don't know about Chris-chan? +--- 57849443 +>>57848787 +The irony of an American complaining about people having cartoon-tier knowledge of history +Toppest of keks. +--- 57849612 +>>57843201 +>Mao +>Encouraged freedom of criticism +What is Hundred Flowers? Some of us lost family who thought they were doing the proper thing in calling out flaws in the system. +--- 57850262 +>>57843119 +You can look at Stalin's purges as a Russian equivalent of the Cultural Revolution since a lot of people who caught a bullet were in the middle, which created upward mobility from the bottom (who'd also be loyal to Stalin). There's a book called "Stalinism and the Politics of Mobilization" about this, arguing that mass mobilization was more important than assumed by historians, rather than the purges being strictly top down. + +It's more of a pincer attack. And it's complicated, because Stalin (and Mao) were paranoid and wanted to root out their enemies, alleged spies, traitors, and potentially disloyal people, but they also used mass mobilization and political commitment on the part of people at the bottom to help do it. Stephen Kotkin, the conservative historian who is finishing a three-volume biography of Stalin, described Stalin's rule as a form of "participatory totalitarianism," which is an interesting phrase. Like this: + +>>57843201 +>Random people were encouraged to attack party officials (usually not physically) for failing to do their jobs and follow mao’s policies +Stalin encouraged that too, although in a somewhat different way. Your manager at a state-owned factory is disloyal? There have been accidents that injured a worker because of neglect? Report him to the NKVD and then some mysterious men show up and the managers disappear. Then some other guys at the factory take those jobs. Those guys will be loyal to Stalin for life. Maybe the manager who got disappeared didn't do anything wrong, but either way... who's asking questions? + +It's an absurd (but funny) movie, The Death of Stalin, because it depicts the top leadership as craven, but there are throngs of people flooding into Moscow to pay their respects, but some of the leaders are trying to control it, or Beria trying to shut the capital down with his NKVD troops, and the people at the bottom are more militant true believers than the leaders: + +https://youtu.be/VersLJjqRGY?t=105 [Embed] +--- 57850438 +>>57848142 +>continuous revolution by constantly encouraging whoever was on the bottom to keep attacking anyone who gets higher than them. This is why ancom is worse than stalinism. +Stalinism is kinda like continuous revolution though, that's the weird thing about it. Or at least that's part of it. I believe Mao also had a concept like "permanent revolution" or something. The French Revolution had its Jacobin phase which led to the Thermidorian reaction and then the rise of Napoleon. But Stalin had elements of each of these things, so you see Stalin adopting rather conservative policies in various areas, reintroducing pretty traditional military ranks with generals with shoulder bars, but then also adopting some of the most radical measures such as forced collectivization. That was not the case with Thermidor, the radical social experiments stopped, but not under Stalin (or Mao), in some areas they intensified. Thing is, too, all the people at the top we're talking about read a lot about the French Revolution. + +Stalin's consolidation of power purged both "left" and "right." In communist terms that is, the "left" would be Trotsky and the far left of the party, who he moved against first, but then the "right" represented by Bukharin (think of Deng Xiaoping here), while also adopting elements of both in his own policies. For Stalin, everything was basically relative, contingent. +--- 57850846 +>>57824354 (OP) +Genuinely good thread anon +--- 57851062 +>>57849180 +I’m a Chinese who spend most of my life inside the wall why shall I know him. + +I do know a bit cwc lore but don’t know this China thing till today. +--- 57851082 +>>57848922 +>>>57834063 +>>You have right to racism and others also have right to racism you. +>im saving this quote. +its a whizbanger no doubt +>fr fr no cap ong +--- 57852325 +>>57841987 +It’s partially true. +Mao himself once wrote a passage on rural poverty in 1920s. +I forget the exact number. +More than 70-80% peasants are literally serfs. The same percentage of total population is illiterate. Landlords are intentionally pushing peasants into a Engel coefficient of 1 or even more than 1. The case of more than 1 is usually used to gain land or labour from them. The result is the entire village would remains shit for 1000years. In marxism word, this system cuffs the productivity in shithole. + +For example before commies came to granny’s place the most advanced agricultural technology in the entire village was a single cow and a set of wooden plough owned by the landlord himself. Wtf. + +Granny’s family used to be one of these serfs. Commies came in late 40s. The recruiting station was nearly crushed by human wave after commies said they would give every family a land. Despite shit happened later, but that’s exactly why commies can have sky high popularity then. + +Maybe many would say Mao is shit. +But for the majority of population Mao is Jesus at least before late 50s. +--- 57852363 +>>57824354 (OP) +Grandfather fought in WW2, never met him cuz he shot himself in the 70s when his cancer became terminal. +Great uncle on other side of the family fought in korea, went to Tokyo U for college, married a japanese girl. +Father was going to fight in Vietnam but his brother died in a test flight of the Starfighter and thus he was exempted under the Sole Survivor policy. +--- 57852381 +>>57852363 +Oh and grandfather on other side was in the navy during korea but didnt fight, they were stationed in the Caribbean during it. He WAS however physically present at the Reagan assassination attempt so that's something. +--- 57852396 +>>57852325 +Another thing. +Giving everyone land is just PR for recruiting(but was successful). China has so many people and so limited land. The only way to concentrate land and apply soviet tractor and fertiliser on it. Even for now, post deng era, this is happening in rural area in a slow pace. + +Honestly I don’t know how People’s Commune both Mao and me(lmao) thought that should work. + +The materials and researches on the Great Famine are also restricted in China so some of you people might know this better than me. +--- 57852427 +>>57852325 +It's hard to blame impoverished communists at the turn of the century. I completely understand why they chose something to fuck over the people who fucked them over nonstop. It's the utopianist middle-upper-class communists I detest because they just want to meet the new boss same as the old boss at worst or at best are guilty and trying to dances-with-wolves. But fuck you live in the depraved shitholes of the industrial revolution or landlord era third world 19th-20th century and fuck yeah unless you could get into the system as a mook of the landlord of course you'd go commie. +--- 57852732 +>>57824354 (OP) +Why aren't they slapping ERA onto the statue? +--- 57852810 +Actually a good thread compared to /pol/ and CIA troons trying to influence each other. +--- 57852816 +>>57852732 +it already has it, look closer +--- 57853405 +>>57849612 +Yeah I was trying to make a 101 explanation but it would be more accurate to say that he encouraged freedom of criticism as it allowed him to more clearly identify threats on one hand and on the other direct the broad people to keep the party loyal to him through that criticism, as the party wasn’t nearly centralised enough for him to do that from the top down. It’s a very complicated issue but no one can say that mao stifled expression, especially during the cultural revolution. Now, stifled specific persons and groups for their expression… +--- 57853478 +Hi OP, cool thread you seem very knowledgeable +I don't know a lot about earlier PLA/China history admittedly, but I have done a decent amount of research into modern-ish PLA kit + +Here's my PLAN Marine uniform I put together, I'm aware type 07 camoflage is being replaced by the type 16/19/whatever Starry Sky, but I prefer the 07 digital honestly + +also using the older type 95 style chest rig, rather than the newer type 06 MOLLE vest +--- 57853561 +>>57842025 +That would be bizarre as Soviets were not practitioners of the "no one left behind" doctrine and used to high casualties as the price of operations. Even as late as A-stan they buried many dead on the battlefield though there were corpse repatriations too. +--- 57853583 +>>57842738 +Post age. I'm 63 and my father fought in Europe (US Army). +--- 57853596 +>>57843119 +The Russian civil war was enormous and went on for years until the White forces were defeated and killed or expelled overseas. +--- 57853674 +>>57833205 +doesn't even have to be in person. +I'm Bangladeshi. If you knew our history, you'd see we had a lot of bad blood with Pakis and Indians. Let's just say, I was brought up with a not-so-rosy view of them. +Then, I played COD4x in a Sri Lankan server with asians of all countries including Pakistanis and Indians, became friends. That changed my mindset and now I don't think they're so bad. +There were also a bunch of russians too and now I wonder how they're doing with everything thats going on. +--- 57853849 +>>57850262 +>Death of Stalin +really good movie. Surprisingly historically accurate for a comedy +--- 57853894 +Wow, I've got to learn a lot of Chinese history that I'd have otherwise been unaware of. +You guys recommend any books to get an overview of the politics, happenins and the PLA state in China from the 40s onwards? +--- 57853987 +>>57853583 +28 +--- 57854055 +>>57853583 +If this is true damn anon what made you find this place lol +--- 57854159 +>>57852325 +It helps that the Guomindang were absolute dogshit during WWII +--- 57856531 +>>57853478 +The time period I’m obsessed with are Deng and Jiang era. I’m abit lost about post-Jiang PLA because things just changed too rapidly. +Grandpa owns a Type 65 overcoat. In winter mornings of 2007 he used to put that on me and drive me to school in his scooter. +By the way this blue camo is informally called Smurf because it’s just too…ugly. +--- 57856866 +Just did weekly video chat with grandpa. +Told me more about his good old days. +Serious military training starts at high school. He used a type 38. Practicing physical skills and bayonet. Grenade as well. But no shooting. +There was a pen pal project between east bloc for kids to practice Russian. Grandpa writes with a Russian girl. Her name is Dasha or so. She sent grandpa a soviet novel. The Young Guard. Written in russian. The entire class plus the teacher spent a semester together to read this. +--- 57856891 +>>57856866 +Still wondering how that Russian person doing in these 60 years. Is she still alive? Grandpa said she may from Ukraine. That adds uncertainty. +High school ends and grandpa went through Gaokao for university. +3 months of military training in advance. This is serious. Involving everything of boot camp. Living with real soldiers. Shooting sks. Shooting rpd. Rpg2 and rpg43. +--- 57856914 +>>57856891 +One training involves what to do when you spot a mushroom cloud nearby. Holy shit. +Another is going prone at night. Soldiers shooting tracer with rpd above your head. +They had a marching practice in one rain night. They returned barracks with mud and water. One mate found the upper of his sks is gone. Everyone freaking out. All goes out to find. Things recovered later in a mud pool. +--- 57856962 +One day. Nonsense chatting with my classmates. + A mountain hiking obsessed guy asks me if I do the same in Beijing cuz Beijing is surrounded by mountains in three side. +Yes I do and I love these old bunkers. +What bunkers? +In old times the mountains are the last line between soviet tanks and Beijing so there’re bunkers. +Alright… +One bunker is funny particularly. When russians dropped nuke on Beijing the guys in bunker would observe how many of the city is vaporised and reported it to someone else. +One girl turns a shitty smile. + +Only a week later I got to know she’s russian. +--- 57857071 +>>57844839 +>When the army became motorised the drinking cult just die out. +>PLA prohibited drinking alcohol many years ago. +Doubt. This particular bottle was new. Maybe only officers can get it, idk. All I know is that it came from a friend of a friend currently in the PLA and I have no idea how it got snuck into the US. +--- 57857193 +>>57843047 +Ever try talk to a commie? Like a real die hard commie? They know and obsess over every minute detail of theory worse than the most ardent religious fundamentalist. And like a religious fundamentalist, to be against their hyperspecifc interpretation of the one true ideology is to be the enemy, the embodiment of evil, the heretic. Now that's here in the West, where they're somewhat restrained. In a world where their (broad) worldview has violently won its place they get cart blanche to act on that. See secterian violence in Iraq and Iran, or commies killing commies in China, early Soviet Russia, and so on +--- 57857254 +>>57857193 +For example, the early Red Army in 1930s. +Imagine a grouping of teens going really crazy in this commie thoughts. And different from rural rebels they’re properly trained in killing and properly organised in killing teams by some educated and super smart middle aged men who have military experience seasoned in decades of light infantry fightings. +And you have to fight them in mountainous southern china. +Even you have mauser and they only have pike you cannot defeat them. +--- 57857766 +thanks for sharing anon, your grandpa sounds nice. mine (US) got drafted during the korean war but thankfully got sick and didn’t deploy with his unit. Two stories: + +>be grandpa during basic training +>do grenade practice +>throw grenade really hard +>it bounces back +>everyone runs away +>thankfully it was a dud (or maybe a practice grenade, I forget which) + +Then after training was done + +>get released from army +>grandpa is from New York +>his friend is also from New York +>they decide to drive back together +>important note: his friend is black and basic training is in the south, which is super racist. New York not so much +>grandpa was shocked on the drive back when they couldn’t eat at the same restaurants or use the bathroom at the same gas station, they had to find separate ones + +Later he programmed computers for the Apollo missions and the Osprey (he predicted it would crash but got fired because he insulted his boss about it). He died a few years ago. +--- 57858120 +>>57856962 +>guys in bunker would observe how many of the city is vaporised and reported it to someone else. +>One girl turns a shitty smile. +>Only a week later I got to know she’s russian. +thats funny right there i dont care who you are +--- 57859217 +>>57853561 +The point is the Soviets didnt want the west to have proof they were involved, hence why they only flew air support deep in NK territory +--- 57859451 +>>57857766 +this is all true +--- 57859504 +>>57834077 +they didn't get stopped. they fucked up the gooks up enough to teach them a lesson, then fucked back to China because who knows what the USSR was gonna do. + +Vietnam got BTFO in 79 hard and anyone who disputes that is a retarded gook lover or muttard wholly devoid of reason. +--- 57859568 +>>57833172 +>It really really surprises me how Anti - CCP a lot of them (all I spoke with) are - like saying Xi and his party are actually damaging to China in the long and middle term and how they like democracy here. +kek +what they don't tell you is how absolutely they think the west is. +And besides, grass is always greener on the other side. These people you speak to are the elites of Chinese society. You talk to Chinese students in provincial universities in China and see what you get. + +>>57833327 +>that the chinese regime was/is bad +then ask them who provided the economic reforms necessary for them to acquire enough wealth. Hint: if the KMT won the civil war, you're looking at another civil war in 25 years. + +>>57833233 +>don't feel bizarre when some of them turn mute when you talk politic with them. That's what we're "trained" to do.. +That's not really true. + +>>57833205 +>Chinese hate west, west hate chinese, that's what ccp want most. +you're a naive retard. +Western propaganda arms are working overtime to build a comprehensive anti china narrative and if you don't understand that, you're even dumber than you sound. +--- 57859582 +>>57841987 +>Alot of the old people and boomers I've met seem to really think the party takes their interests to heart +that's because it's true. +the CPC and the PLA were a lot more egalitarian back in the days. +the command structures and decision making matrices were much flatter. +--- 57859593 +>>57859568 +>chink +>dd ar +checks out +--- 57859606 +>>57859593 +KNEEL. +WORSHIP AT THE ALTAR OF MARTY DANIEL. +--- 57860756 +>>57853405 +>You have freedom of legitimate criticism +>That is: The freedom to get lynched afterwards +>But only after a self criticism session +--- 57860776 +>>57860756 +>freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences +--- 57860794 +>>57860776 +>/leftypol/ fingers typed this +--- 57860809 +Cultural Revolution China sounds like a capture the flag game +--- 57862921 +>>57860756 +>t. retard +--- 57863263 +When i was a kid my uncle was friendly with a guy who won the medal of honor in Vietnam. He won the MOH during his first tour and then went back for 4 more doing various things, including as a LRRP/SF. He told some pretty fucked up stories. + +The LRRPs were generally a recon force but the VC/NVA hated them because they were so elite. When a LRRP team got hit, they were such a small unit that they would have to leave any friendly KIAs behind. A couple days later they'd send another team back to investigate and dudes would have their dicks cut off and shoved in their mouths, impaled...all kinds of atrocities. + +So despite being a recon unit, most of the LRRPs would end up wanting to kill some motherfuckers and would do it whenever they got the chance to without compromising the mission. He said sometimes if they had a slow mission with no enemy showing up or whatever, they'd set up a fake camp and cook some rice the same way the VC/NVA would. When dudes showed up to investigate, they'd think it was one of their camps, sit down to eat, and they'd ambush them and either kill them or kidnap them. He also said one time he came up on a guy sleeping in a hammock. Instead of just slitting his throat and being done with it, he put his hand over the guy's mouth and shook him awake to see the look on his face before he killed him. Must have been crazy doing that job. He really had a tough time when he came home though desu +--- 57863619 +>>57863263 +Heard similar stories since childhood. +Chinese and Vietnam recon during Sino-Vietnam war. Not 1979one, but the long war alongside border in 80s. +The geo of sino vietnam war zone was bizarre. Many positions were on isolated hill tops. Only connected by roads on valley. +Recons were deployed for gaining intels for further offensive. This applies for china in most case. Vietnam didn’t wage big offensive alot. they made big offensive once. they won initial infantry battle with superior force but eventually got raped hard by our arti. +Both china and vietnam love to use recon for kidnapping. Target might be signal guys or small patrol. This was one method to gain intel. But mostly just for scaring people. +There’re stories of vietnamese Dac Cong infiltrates Chinese barracks and kill random people or planting bombs. +There’re also stories about female Dac Cong. An urban legend says female Dac Cong would hid explosives in their china.(another cwcism) +--- 57863637 +My uncle was in Vietnam, he was drunk when I was a child and told me a story about how his M16 was out of ammo, or maybe jammed, and he had to bayonet the VC he was just shooting at. I think he might have felt bad about it. + +>>57863619 +>There’re also stories about female Dac Cong. An urban legend says female Dac Cong would hid explosives in their china.(another cwcism) + +Hah +--- 57863702 +>>57863263 +Vietnam also deployed many US things against China. Like M16 with silencer, M16 with nvg or M79. The latter two gave PLA hard lessons sometimes. +China uses flamethrowers alot for Vietnam. Many that’s one reason China still doesn’t want to give up it today, even portable thermobaric are already deployed. +For counter insurgency operations in You Know Where and You Know Where II they still use flamethrowers to clean caves. +--- 57863739 +Random thought. What do the Chinamen think of America's adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan? +--- 57863804 +>>57859568 +>Western propaganda arms are working overtime to build a comprehensive anti china narrative +yeah both governments are, they're each trying to create political will for their desired outcome (invade/defend Taiwan). Most likely, the outcome will be decided more by this psychological trickery than any battle. This is because political will determines whether or not America intervenes, and whether the CCP gains anything internally by invading. + +I hope it doesn't happen. I don't know if the CCP is really crazy enough to do it, but a friend of a friend building PLAN ships said they were aiming for 2025. +--- 57863852 +>>57863739 +For contemporary China the Iraq wars were Human-Kryptonian war. Just too shocking. +Like aforementioned. One of my dad’s mate was 37mm 61K gunner factory militia. One day dad just laughing on him. Saying that he would be sent to counter apache and a10 when Sino American war broke out. Mate just smiled like mobik. +For Afghanistan, the sudden retreat causes the same shocking. Nobody knows why. Even for Chinese people. +--- 57863883 +>>57863804 +Stop replying that guy. China-taiwan comparison is fine but put non/k/ politic aside. +I don’t want my thread to become sino american bot war. +--- 57863982 +>>57863739 +Iraq also somehow boosted Jiang‘s will on reforming and modernising PLA. And we have to say that this modernisation finally works. +Taiwan for example. Things are alot different nowadays than 1996. +--- 57864022 +>>57863702 +>using flamethrowers and cave hajis +Jesus Christ how horrifying. But they’ll get a rude awakening if they try that against any actual military +--- 57864074 +>>57863852 +military knowledgelet here, what makes apaches and a10s scarier to do AA against vs whatever he was expecting before then? +--- 57864162 +>>57863883 +fair. here's a /k/ but not military china story. +I did kung fu for several years here in the states. my teacher's teachers were involved in involved in triad/gang/hongmen shit back in the day. They never specified exactly. one time, one went on a trip back to hong kong. A guy he knew there wanted a gun, so he bought one in the states and just... stuck that shit in his waistband and walked on the plane. Then when he got there, the guy didn't offer him enough money for it, so he... stuck it right back in his pants and went home. 1970's airport security did not give a fuck. +--- 57864267 +>>57834077 +How hard would YOU fight for Pol pot, anon? +Outside of murder/k/ube obligations. +--- 57864428 +>>57864074 +Countermeasures, BVR stealth fighter fleets and AWACS makes it hard to even get a lock before you're destroyed. +--- 57864494 +>>57864074 +Anon this is what this factory militiaman would have been manning against gunships with guided missiles with BVR capabilities +I would shit my pants too +--- 57864496 +This is quite possibly the most informative thread I've ever seen on /k/ +--- 57864834 +Tell me more about these factory militiamen. Were they based at these factories because the factories were just the best place or centerpoint they had for that region, or were they intended to guard the factory specifically? +--- 57864842 +>>57853478 +Nice I have a pla bonnie hat that I love for hiking. The tibetian plain camo it has is pretty unique. + +>>57844883 +Apparently sks are still being manufractured as a gun for formal occasions. Wish we could get some here. +--- 57865003 +>>57832094 +Not the USMC Flag :( +--- 57865060 +>>57864834 +Factories themselves were very organized, a lot of the workers lives would have revolved around their factory +>lived close by +>work teams already highly organized, politicised by discussion and debate groups +>these groups were often the only organizing the production lines and methods themselves +>daycare facilities at factory +>healthcare and pharmaceutical facilities at factories +And then add onto that, the factories would have been often producing war materiel. In fact some factories weee started basically by random people in the neighbourhood finding an old building and requesting permission and machinery to get started. Random housewives making iron cookware, for example. +Militias were fucking everywhere pre-deng, and people were organized into groups everywhere from villages to factories to primary school to university to factories to apartment complexes. +How Yokong Moved the Mountains is obviously propaganda but when you acknowledge that, it’s interesting to see how they framed the idealness of their society. Factory groups putting up giant posters criticising the party official managing their factory, debating whether or not pay incentives are socialist, conducting costal air raid milita drills, putting on socialist plays, etc. + +When the language from party leadership turned to correcting mistaken ideas, preventing internal coups, re-educating the wayward revisionists, the dangers of the PLA… well you can see how these organisations might start turning on each other +--- 57865078 +>>57856531 +I'm in a online community that does PLA impression kits, one or two of the guys there are actual PLA vets as well, I've known about the smurf nickname lol, I've always liked it for being unique though +>>57864842 +Nice, the Tibet flecktarn clone I presume +--- 57865261 +>>57833172 +We all bleed under the same sun, we all sleep under the same moon. +--- 57865486 +>>57832117 +>>57832969 +>>57845879 +based innocent chinese.-anon + +How many gangs were there in the early days of the Red Guard fighting? +Dozens? Over a hundred? +Early christianity had three main branches (only Catholics survived; they had the best recruitment message) but for a very long time every church picked and chose what sacred Hebrew and Christian writings were used. +One church might choose some books, another church might refuse those books. +--- 57866106 +>>57824354 (OP) +Changnon, why is Chinese cinema so devoted to spectacle over substance? +--- 57866148 +>>57864162 +>Then when he got there, the guy didn't offer him enough money for it, so he... stuck it right back in his pants and went home. +This sounds like a Sopranos scene lmao +--- 57866230 +>>57866106 +Says the guy living in the country that invented capeshit +One Shadow is worth the entire Avengers series you uncultured mutt +--- 57866534 +>>57856531 +>By the way this blue camo is informally called Smurf because it’s just too…ugly. +kek. I will have to remember that. + +>>57856914 +Damn, that sounds like some bad luck. It's hard to knock that lever out of place, then catch the pin on something to pull it out and lose the top cover but I believe it, especially if it's been worn in. I wonder how he didn't hear it when it fell off, though; they're quite loud when the cover pops off! As an aside, I love my Chinese SKS. It's not in the greatest of condition as it was used by Albania but it shoots rather accurately and the recoil is very light. I prefer it over my AK. +--- 57866555 +>>57860794 +>he doesn't understand sarcasm + +Why do you think I wrote it in greentext? +--- 57866562 +>>57866534 +>Damn, that sounds like some bad luck. It's hard to knock that lever out of place, then catch the pin on something to pull it out and lose the top cover but I believe it, especially if it's been worn in. I wonder how he didn't hear it when it fell off, though; they're quite loud when the cover pops off! As an aside, I love my Chinese SKS. It's not in the greatest of condition as it was used by Albania but it shoots rather accurately and the recoil is very light. I prefer it over my AK. +Not him obviously but when I read that post I assumed the grandpa's friend guy or whatever meant his gas tube. I feel like it's easier to mistakenly think the gastube is on right while it's not, than the same for the top cover. +--- 57866601 +>>57866106 +Not op, but entertainment as a whole is kinda made to cater to the lowest common denominator. It's actually pretty hard to find groups to do hobbies with because most entertainment venues try to cater to as wide a market as possible. Disposable income and time are still pretty new things to many Chinese people so it's taking awhile for more niche interests to gain a following. Also, Chinese people kinda have a mindset of bigger/more is always better so people rarely think a movie is too dramatic or has too many special effects. +--- 57866655 +>>57866562 +I was going between that and the dust cover while I was reading OP's reply. Makes a lot more sense; if that thing falls off it would make almost no noise, especially in the rain and mud! My lever on the gas tube is even more worn out than the one holding the cover on. Should bend it to keep it more secure so the same doesn't happen to me if I ever take this thing hunting. SKS parts are fucking retarded right now. +--- 57867019 +>>57824354 (OP) +https://youtu.be/DXbwKf-2iB8?t=18 [Embed] +--- 57868121 +>>57866106 +I don’t watch film then. Maybe the last time I went for cinema was in 2014or 2015, for a Jackie Chan movie I think. +I watch some TVs. Mainly police tv from early 2000s. The equipment used in these are interesting. Maybe deserved to be talked about in another reply. +--- 57868214 +I love two Tv particularly. +重案六组(Crime investigation team VI) and 士兵突击(Soldier) +The first is a police drama, with 4 seasons, themed police in early 2000s Beijing. +I love the first two. +Many interesting /k/ features can be seen in there. +Police equiped with regular type 54 and type 64 pistol. BUT someone have BHP and PPK. +In one scene a guy is using a Mauser HSC. Wtf. +Police use SMG like Type 79 or CQ UZI. +Sometimes the 'sniper' guy would use a CQ M16 with a scope. +All real guns I can sure. Fake movie gun were not popular in mainland in that time. +There's no swat in Beijing then. So all reinforcements are real PAP soldier. They have type 56(AK) and wearing thet classic chest gear, right, in 2003. +These're real soldiers. PAP at that time are allowed to take part in tv for extra money. Jiang banned army and pap from setting company but acting and renting house is not banned until XI. +Banning pla from renting house made my favourite Uyghur restaurant dissapeared. I miss Xinjiang noodle and Roast Lamb! +Many scene of the tv are just filmed in streets of Beijing. Fulfilled my 2000s nostalgia. +--- 57868254 +>>57868214 +Where did they source the weirder guns? Is it all straight from government sources or were there companies that specialized in renting real guns to movie and TV show productions? +--- 57868272 +士兵突击 is about PLA in early 2000s. +It's about a soldier's life of being recruited, bootcamp, deployed in a regular recon company in motorised regiment, then got chosen into "elite" unit. +Type 87 camo (copycat M81) still in use. +Type 81 and 81-1 rifle and Type 81 LMG still in use. The sniper in infantry uses type 85 (chinese svd). In one scene there is a disguised Type 56-2 with black handguard. A fake 81-1 isn't it? +The "Elite Troops" are using type 95 and type 88 sniper. + +Vehicles: +Regular units still using type 63 APC and type 59 tank. But they're in a transition toward type 86 ifv. The company leader later moved to be a battalion leader of "divisional recon battalion". +--- 57868280 +>>57868254 +from police themselfs. this is later prohibited. that's how these early police drama can offer us a insight of police equipment in that time. +--- 57868323 +>>57868272 +what do you think about the fact that westerners hate you and will not think twice about putting you in a camp? +--- 57868353 +>>57868323 +fuck ya mudda +--- 57868401 +>>57868353 +Based +--- 57868412 +>>57843208 +>They literally had internecine brawls over opera and poems, debates about specific pieces of opera were often centrepieces of debates and struggles in Beijing amongst both party officials and lay people. +I think when chinese say "america is collapsing" this is what they mean, because they have a historical reference to go off of for how their own country faltered - not that I necessarily believe that premise. +--- 57868450 +>>57865078 +Is there something wrong with his wrist? Besides the rubber band constricting it. The fuck am I looking at? Am I having a stroke? +--- 57868715 +>>57832016 +Chink is a reference to the slit eyes. +Amerimutts mostly have normal shaped eyes. +So whats your point? Or are you just being a regular yellow fella and copying without understanding. +--- 57868744 +>>57868715 +anon the epicanthic folds are normal for them +--- 57869197 +>>57868353 +Is this how you cope with being an inferior chink? +--- 57869864 +>>57869197 +Yes so fuck ya mudda +--- 57870005 +Actually breddy gud bread, chinanon what do you think of the PLAAF aircraft would you say that the CCP still copies both American and Russian designs or are they now trying to design their own fighters from the ground up like the h-6 or J-20, not trying to start shit flinging just genuinely curious +--- 57870130 +>>57870005 +I’m not familiar with PLAAF. We shall say, as long as they had the capability of designing something different they start it. From J10abc to J20. +Shenyang finally made Su27 their own to develop J11, J15 and J16, maybe the only thing kept them from designing something looks like new is that the aerodynamic of Su27 is so damn good. Y20 is here. Maybe new bomber is next. +Engine is still a problem. CCP got seethed by AVIC so much that they set up a separated engine company. That did achieved something. Notice the difference in Y20’s engine. +In a sentence. Long way to go. But better than nothing, better than 2010s, partially better than Russia, and equal or better than US in some minor points. +--- 57870210 +Someone screencap this thread +--- 57870360 +>>57824794 +>Behold. A siege engine. +Nice +--- 57870504 +>>57824909 +What book +--- 57870555 +>>57831535 +Thay's a very different take on how history books told the story. + +So if civil unrest predated mao, what caused the civil unrest? +--- 57870576 +>>57832016 +Amerimutt is an insult coined in /int/ to insult americans. Mixed blood americans like to own it up but it's an endearing term. +--- 57870596 +>>57832045 +Just ask her out bro. + +Reunification can happen in other ways +--- 57870617 +>>57832229 +How bad did corruption get in the 80s? +--- 57870662 +>>57833233 +Is the turn mute thing something tgat predates the revolution? +--- 57870670 +>>57833327 +>argies +>evil +Autistic brit detected +--- 57870701 +>>57870504 +All books. No matter Chinese or western, propaganda or history. Japs just still fight in medieval way. +--- 57870711 +>>57834117 +>i dont know how other cities are doing +??? Why not? +--- 57870719 +>>57870711 +many municipal governments and provinces do their own thing and have their own standards, they're fairly decentralized in some respects +--- 57870745 +>>57870711 +Media is controlled. Social media is also controlled. Central authority have power to delete things. Local authority(even universities) have bots cruising around and look for bad news. +--- 57870784 +>>57870617 +Crazy high. +Just like culture revolution era. +The crazy thing is not Mao himself would do bad things to you without supervision. The crazy thing is anyone who represents Mao(party officials in this case) can do bad things on you. +--- 57870786 +>>57870701 +No. I understand that Japs were brutal and inhumane but they have always been very quick to adapt and adopt new ways to commit war. After the Portuguese introduced them to firearms in 1543, they were mass producing better muskets in 3 years. Imperial Japan before WWII had the best ships, best planes, best weapons (except tanks) in the world other than Germany. They conquered most of SEAsia because they were much more modern and skillful than other Asian people. They could not upgrade quickly enough and were stretched too thin so they lost the war but it was not because they were bad at fighting wars, they were very good at that +--- 57870830 +>>57870745 +We can see a lot of this from outside, infosec people who monitor Chinas internet notice the gaps and painted over parts in social even if we can't actually see it happen. +Anyway do you like Chef Wang Gang? I love his recipes and his uncle +--- 57871054 +>>57857766 +When did segeefation laws really get gping in the south? + +I feel like they weren't there before 19220 +--- 57871165 +>>57870745 +I didnt imagine you were not allowed to know about what happened to your own nationals. + +Say im a beijing civil engineer, how would I find out that there's compaby looking to set a company up next province and they are hiring? + +Or do provinces no really exchange people? +--- 57871180 +>>57870784 +Did Xi really did manage to stop corruption, or he cant penetrate province level corruption? +Does it affect modern PLA? +--- 57871193 +This was a fascinating thread. Thanks for your anecdoctes and answers, friend +--- 57871208 +>>57870786 +>they were mass producing better muskets in 3 years +Let’s not get carried away + +>best ships +Lmao no +>best planes +>best weapons +Ah I see, you are shitposting +--- 57871272 +>>57870830 +I'm sorry who is Chef Wang Gang? +--- 57871349 +>>57871180 +At least he stopped some. +It depends on how you view these things. + +[setting up a police state.] ++ drug selling(even weeds) and terrorism nearly eliminated. +- too many. +? huge budget. + +[Xi concentrating power.] ++ corruption partially stopped. At least party anti-corruption agency starts being serious. +- too many +? winnie the pooh banned. +--- 57871442 +>>57871272 +Sichaunese chef on social, his uncle looks like the Beast from Kung Fu Hustle +https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hgYXRuQcniw [Embed] +--- 57871599 +>>57871349 +>winnie the pooh banned. +this is a lie. Go to Shanghai Disneyland. +--- 57871997 +>>57871599 +Since Jiang era we call Winnie and in recent years all media call him pooh. +Do you know why? diff --git a/k/57825770.txt b/k/57825770.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..be2317f8c5613eeb03f26afaef5372dcda3914c0 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57825770.txt @@ -0,0 +1,1225 @@ +----- +--- 57825770 +Emergency Bake Edition + +Post wood (furniture) +Frens +Battle Rifles +Living Easy, Living Large + +Thread Theme: +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgoqrgc_0cM [Embed] + +As always; No Trips, No Traps, No Airsoft ~ +Previous Thread: >>57778003 → +--- 57825786 +pasty: replace the "()" with "." +https://rentry()co/brg_V09 +--- 57825811 +>>57825770 (OP) +This barrel is far too long for good accuracy and performance. Ninjas will teleport in no problem and then you'll get stuck swinging it for cqb. +--- 57825851 +>>57825770 (OP) +What's a fair price for a brand new gen 1 galil ace in .308? +--- 57825967 +>>57825851 +$1,800 more or less. They still have them on Gun Broker. There were a lot more available about 6months ago. Looks like you missed your mark senpai. Better luck next time. Can still find them in 5.56 and x39. +--- 57826719 +>>57825851 +See the first post. Oh... +--- 57826794 +>>57826719 +I'll see about actually putting in some effort and contributing this time around. +>>57825967 +Conversely some stuff that was going to for stupid pricing above msrp durig coof is now better and improved, and ammo pricing has come down significantly, so not all bad. For me though the only gun I can say was a truly perfectly timed purchase wasn't a bg and sadly only got one. Hindsight is 20/20, end of the day for most of us I think the best strat is to do some research, try stuff, and just get things you think are truly cool and enjoyable yourself. If you luck out and it goes up great, if not you've still got a gun you personally love. +--- 57826999 +Just tried to buy g3 mags and they canceled my order without giving a reason. What's the best place to buy g3 mags? +--- 57827264 +>>57826999 +>Just tried to buy g3 mags and they canceled my order without giving a reason. +Name and shame. +--- 57827313 +>>57826999 +Do you live in a cuck state? +--- 57827321 +>>57826999 + +https://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/CAN-COMBO-FOR-HK-G3-FIFTEEN-20RD-G3-MAGS-WITH-ONE-NEW-AC-AMMO-CAN-2p11420.htm + +Came in the mail alerts earlier this week, about $6/mag before shipping unless you value the ammo can. +--- 57827341 +remember to write Coomeranon about the M41 match trigger! +>sub 4lbs +>adjustable trigger stop to switch between BR or DMR +>used for the sub 0.5MOA M41 DMR +--- 57827352 +For the anon telling me to flip the bipod around, this is how I actually use it normally, but because of other shit in my case, it fits better when it's backwards. Also gravity would work regardless of which way I flip it to help deploy it, and the mount would likely break before the bipod itself, so I don't think it would matter anyway. Also the stock already has a sling attachment point and I feel it's balanced enough and not uncomfortable to shoot +--- 57827415 +>>57827341 +>Zur Zeit nicht lieferbar + +Sad. +--- 57828301 +>>57827352 +Not the dude who called you out, but your bipod is fine so long as it suits your needs. If it's stupid but it works it's not stupid and anyone else can get bent. +--- 57828394 +>>57825770 (OP) +M&P 10. Sneed it or Chuck it? +--- 57828634 +>>57825023 → +Sorry, bud. I missed the close of that one. Taste the country side. + +>>57825770 (OP) +Thank you op. +--- 57828673 +>>57827321 +This is still a deal. Lee's Mags would be first, but I took my finger off that pulse last year after a quan 30 buy. I rounded up for free shipping, I think. +--- 57828682 +>>57825770 (OP) +FLY BY NIGHT AWAY FROM HERE + +CHANGE MY LIFE AGAIN +--- 57828928 +>>57828682 +>mfw my ship isn't coming and I just can't pretend +--- 57829257 +>>57828673 + +Lee's is out of mags essentially. Website only has a $250 pack of six mags now. +--- 57830226 +>>57828673 +>be brg +>wonder why you can't get fal mags despite being the right arm of the free world +>also brg +>buy g3 mags thirty at a time +It will happen to you too +--- 57830377 +>>57830226 +>>be brg +>>wonder why you can't get fal mags despite being the right arm of the free world +Worse still, I just bought 3 FAL mags from Sarco, really nice ones. So in every way, that's 3 you'll have to buy from my Estate at $150/ea 7-32 yrs from now. Neener, sompin', sompin'... you should see the wooden FAL carry handles I bought from then a couple yrs ago. I actually CAN wait to gouge for those... Time marches on. Good thing I snagged the last of the G3 mags from Lee. Maybe he will change his company name from Lee's Mags to Lee's Leftover Shitty AK Parts Nobody Wants? +--- 57830496 +>>57826999 + +https://www.jgsales.com/c308-and-cetme-20rd-surplus-308-magazine,-vg,-used.-p-2415.html + +Buy in 10+, $4.50/mag steel C308s that should fit. +--- 57830780 +>>57828394 +Yes +--- 57830904 +>>57825770 (OP) +What is the best FFP MPVO for the money. I like the looks of the Swampfox Kentucky Long and Athlon Helos 2-12s, but I'm curious what else is out there. + +Unfortunate I cannot stand Primary Arms' weird horseshoe reticles. +--- 57830940 +>>57830904 +I’d get the althob because swampfox is a noname brand +--- 57831279 +I have a rifle rebuilt to .308win in 1955. Anything to take into consideration using modern ammo in such an early .308 gun? +--- 57831404 +>>57831279 +depends on the action +and .308 has been standardized for a long time +--- 57831495 +>>57827352 +i wonder what his favorite brand is? +--- 57831986 +>>57831279 +>I have a rifle rebuilt to .308win in 1955 +What rifle? It would be cool as fuck if it was a Garand +--- 57832417 +>>57830904 +>What is the best FFP MPVO for the money +By this you mean what's the best poorfag budget one? Never used their mpvos but swampfox lpvo was pretty decent for the bucks. At that price range I doubt there is any massive difference between them so probably worth just check fov and relief, if it's gudenuf then just pick by what reticle you want. +--- 57832471 +>>57831279 +The main things I can think of are +a) make sure it's actually 308 rated not 7.62x51, this is one case where the civilian one is actually the hotter round. 308 can use 7.62 fine, and with new guns they're pretty much whatever, but back then probably worth double checking. +b) all the normal stuff for an older rifle, any corrosion, shit like that. That's not so old that metallurgy was all different or anything like that so I wouldn't say you should have it chamber checked with an xray/ultrasonic or something like with an 1890s gun but look closely for any signs it was stored/maintained badly. +c) I assume it's a normal 1:12 twist but might be worth checking out of curiosity. + +Any enjoy your neat older rifle, post some pictures! +--- 57832472 +>>57831986 +Not a battle rifle, sadly. But figured this was the place to ask. + +It's a Swedish M94/14. Supposedly Interarms bought a batch of them from the Swedish government back in '55 and had Madsen in Denmark convert a bunch to 7x57mm and .308Win. Funny thing is that I don't think it's been shot at all since it was converted - all the refurbished parts show zero wear, and when I got it the trigger spring was missing, so I think whoever had it before me just thought it was broken and never bothered fixing it. But hey, cheap pristine .308 Swedish Mauser for me. +--- 57832552 +>>57832471 +I'm certain it's .308 since I went to the auction house to check for myself, since I saw it and was like "what the fuck". Big ".308WIN" stamp on the barrel. It's also clearly one from that batch conversion I talked about, since many of the parts are pitted to hell from rust, but whoever refurbished it just recoated everything and assembled it while forgetting to put the trigger spring back. A proper gunsmith job would not have been like that. + +The barrel is the only part that doesn't have some sort of pitting, which leads me to believe they replaced the entire thing with a new one. The receiver also doesn't have any crest on it anymore, so that could also have been completely replaced, or maybe just polished down and recoated. The serial number is the original one, as it matches with several parts that have not been refurbished, and puts the rifle as a 1901 production. + +Other than that, the stock is heavily sanded and very worn, but is also the original. I'm having a new one custom decorated at the moment. + +I'll skedaddle for now and let the discussion get back to semi-auto rifles. Thanks for the answers. +--- 57832647 +I found a site that is selling the CA CETME clone with the surplus wood parts. The price is $600. Worth it? +--- 57832765 +>>57832552 +Nothing wrong with a bit of 30cal older goodness like that once in awhile. Thanks for posting it, looks fun. +--- 57832898 +>>57832552 +I have always had an erection for cavalry carbines. I went with a Spanish fr8 though instead because it was cheaper to buy and to shoot +--- 57832978 +>>57827341 +Does Lube need another new email? +--- 57833058 +What length handguard should I use on my 18" barrel ar10? +--- 57833061 +>>57833058 +Rifle length +--- 57833124 +>>57833061 +13", 14" or 15"? +--- 57833167 +>>57833124 +20" +--- 57833185 +>>57833124 +>>57833167 +https://www.smftactical.com/products/308-hand-guard-kit.html +get the 20" +--- 57833531 +>>57830226 +Just gotta be patient. And know where to look. +--- 57833720 +M1A is love +M1A is life +--- 57833739 +>>57833720 +--- 57833847 +Big sister +Little sister +:D +Wish I could find wood for the SAR but oh well +--- 57833966 +>>57825811 +t. owner of real ultimate power website +--- 57833994 +I'm building a 12.5" meme AR10 bros, any optics you would recommend? +--- 57834021 +>>57833994 +Some sort of red dot. What are you willing to spend? +--- 57834083 +>>57834021 +Under 1k preferably. I got all the parts for ~$850 so I can stretch the optic budget a bit more. +--- 57834108 +>>57833994 +Like >>57834021 says, dedicated 1x, you're not shooting for distance with that. If it's a pure cheapshit fun build then just get whatever minimal rds. If it's a fancier meme build (12.5" 30cal? really? or is this 8.6memeout subsonics?) and you want to larp with your nv or whatever maybe an eotek holo, or if you have shitty eyes and find etched reticles do better for you a quality 1x prism. + +Alternate option: get a fucking 12-60x HPVO (vector minotaur, just $450, made from finest chinesium metaloid materials!) scope that hangs right over the end of the barrel, a set of pit viper wraparound sunglasses, bright purple top hat, biohazard upper suit, a scottish kilt for your bottom (no underwear), and go to the range exclusively using the 500yd+ lanes. Post photos. +--- 57834128 +>>57834108 +>Alternate option: get a fucking 12-60x HPVO (vector minotaur, just $450, made from finest chinesium metaloid materials!) scope that hangs right over the end of the barrel, a set of pit viper wraparound sunglasses, bright purple top hat, biohazard upper suit, a scottish kilt for your bottom (no underwear), and go to the range exclusively using the 500yd+ lanes. Post photos. +mutter "they're always after me lucky charms" if anyone asks questions +--- 57834143 +>>57834108 +>>57834128 +Kek, thanks for the ideas. I'll have to find a range near me with 500yd lanes. And it is indeed 30 cal. Like I said, it's a meme build. +--- 57834795 +finally going to join a club for a private range today. 20-30min away isn't terrible. will be fun to see how that goes this summer. +--- 57835309 +>>57834795 +Range by me is only 700 for a lifetime pass but all the cops train there :( +Plus only 150y rifle range +--- 57835819 +>>57835309 +no lifetime but $60/year isn't enough for me to be that concerned about giving a spin and seeing how it is. +--- 57835865 +>>57835309 +>>57835819 +Lifetime memberships are well worth the cost depending upon your youth and peripatetic nature. +--- 57835942 +>>57835865 +don't think they offer one, but again, vs $700 upfront I'd have to be going there for over 12 years. will they even still be in business? and the other $640 can go into an investment account or otherwise used immediately so it's actually more like a $15 year payoff. don't deny lifetime can be worth it in some places and circumstances at all but think that's a pretty fair price. anyway, wouldn't pay lifetime without first going there a little while and seeing what it's like right? +--- 57836232 +Any idea if the Noveske dual ejector BCG will work with a an Aero M5 receiver and barrel extension? +--- 57836280 +>>57836232 +How many times will it take for you to learn your lesson old man? You and the guy that asks about the Best Low Power Scope are probably one and the fucking same. Just buy it. If it doesn't work, return it for a refund. Asking the same idiots every thread won't solve your problem. +--- 57836350 +>>57836232 +Dpms and sr25 pattern internals are the same. The receivers are not cross compatible >>57836232 +--- 57837135 +>>57835942 +>seeing what it's like +>you can pick your house +>but you can't pick your neighbors +Memberships, like neighborhoods, can charge and evolve. I pity the fool who think they won't look back on "the good ol' days". Nostalgia comes with rose tint inherent. +--- 57837274 +>>57837135 +Sure anon but culture and institutions can be surprisingly sticky as well in some cases. Even at huge scale. Pic related is a classic, a super simple, seemingly meaningless question, of what do you call that sweet carbonated flavored beverage that's ubiquitous nationwide? Soda, Pop, and Coke are the big three labels in the US. Yet the answer paints a wild view of different regions and history. This can be less true if there aren't many choices combined with inelastic demand, or if there is some sort of outside pressure, but if people are able to pick and there is some level of continuity that can get sticky. Like here if there was literally one place to shoot within hours, well guess you just have to suck it up. If it's a "eh, might be nice" and you don't like it, probably just won't renew, which means mostly only people who like it will stay and thus it'll self-perpetuate. If a place was expensive to run and membership shrank too much then they might feel forced to change to try to attract more, but a basic rural range is going to be pretty dirt cheap. +--- 57837323 +>>57833058 +Just make sure it wont cover the adjustable gas block +--- 57838340 +>>57837323 +Or has windows so you can adjust the gas with the handguard on. +--- 57838397 +>>57833720 +>>57833739 + + +A fine rifle you have there. +--- 57838405 +>>57834795 +It's really nice. During the week mine is basically empty so I almost always have the place to myself. +--- 57838408 +>>57827341 +Listen to this man, he's your friend. + +>>>NEW<<<< Mail what you want for the SAR bulk order to Lubeanon, check their catalog, if you don't find what you want there, try mailing him anyway +>mail LUBEcu19s@eclipso.de and include your order-ID and order date to be included in the lube mailing list for news, updates, questions etc. [BETA TESTER LIST IS FULL] +>lube available via Moka's shop, by /k/ommandos, for /k/ommandos +CURRENTLY OUT OF STOCK +>I'm not Lubeanon + +Reminder that SAR G3s will get you +>sub 1 MOA +http://www.sar-shop.de/epages/61028398.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61028398/Products/41.331 +>sub 0.5 in the DMR version +http://www.sar-shop.de/epages/61028398.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61028398/Products/41.373 +>5 years guarantee +>2 free check-ups +>officially certified German master artisan (yes that's a thing) crafted weaponry +>literally produced just 15 minutes away from the HK HQ +>peerless reliability and unmatched quality +>a gun that never even came CLOSE to grubby PTR hands +>break in period? Are you gay? (/akg/ welcomes you) +>trigger? Not shit! +>the highest quality barrel +>Polygonal rifling (none of that cheap L&G PTR shit) coldforged and stress free annealed in a vacuum by Lothar Walther (rip) +>national marksman competition winning accuracy +Don't want an old school battle rifle? +How about something newer than the SCAR for only 3k? +>the HK417 (aka MR308 in the civilian version, HK original, so feel free to post better deals or deals in your region) is also available at SAR +>precision, reliability, operator level gear and the ability to dunk on SCARfags* +All that and more, only at SAR with worldwide shipping.** +Buy SAR, buy quality.*** + +*pls no spergerino SCARfrens we still love you +**American import restrictions apply, blame your local governor/president +***currently out of stock due to christmas sales and SARnon snagging up one of the last +--- 57838423 +>>57835865 +I don't plan on moving but I'm trying to buy the next lot over to put a rifle range in. +If they had a 1km DMR range is def just get the lifetime +--- 57838424 +>>57825770 (OP) +>Tfw the zipties shipped with the streamlight are too brittle. +I will probably be coating or rattle canning the light, not sure on color +>earth yellow +>field drab +>Ral 8000 +>coyote +> +--- 57838425 +>>57838408 +Lübeanon, widely renowned for providing the best lube around for /k/commandos by far, stepped up and offered to just proxybuy and ship them through Korbo's LLC in Arizona, he was offered an extra cut for his services but refused and preferred to do it for free. Buy some of his lube if you need a refill though. +>what does that mean for me? +Cheap European parts probably this winter INCLUDING PIC RELATED. + +Already got a PTR or intend to get one soon? +Want SAR quality for your G3 clone but live under a tyrannical government that colludes with your gun lobby to restrict imports in any way possible? +How about a high quality 1900g pull weight G3 match trigger for 400 bucks? +http://www.sar-shop.de/epages/61028398.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61028398/Products/41.1013 +>not a refurbished old G3 trigger, actually a fresh product from their own production +>all new parts, nothing recycled +>long development to ensure quality that matches the rest of the M41 (SAR G3 clone) +>triggerstop customizable to your taste +>crisp break +>completely SAR made from start to finish +>high production quality, top quality surface treatment, finely CNC'd +>improved spring +>production via the highly accurate machines of SAR (it doesn't say whether machines refers to the actual machines or Germans here) +>Black Rheinmetall finish over a corundum blazed surface (wow!) +>No flimsy plastic +>large precision increase if you have any idea how to shoot + +Get fucked HK Parts. +--- 57838465 +>>57838424 +What scope? +--- 57838472 +>>57832647 +For 600, might as well go for it. +--- 57838563 +What were the lube rankings again? I think I screenshot it but don't want to go digging, but barfcom has me doubting SOTARacha, CherryBalmz is kill apparently, and I'm running low on OneShot, so looking to buy. +Thanks! +--- 57838605 +>>57838408 +>costs ein arm and ein leg + tip compared to my $1100 gunbroker PTR +d-danke... +--- 57838624 +Coomoil and Coomgrease, only option +--- 57838654 +>>57838563 +Anon summarized it for you here >>57838624 +--- 57838663 +>>57838605 +Get the trigger for the PTR, thank me later. To poor for a 350$ import trigger from /k/? Get a job +--- 57838725 +>>57838424 +That is a beautiful rifle. +--- 57838816 +>>57838624 +Where does one acquire the coomgrease? +--- 57838879 +>>57838563 +I use good ol ballistol for most stuff, break free clp for tougher cleaning, and slip2k for general dedicated lube. Got some of the nanolube stuff to try, guess a pretty old one, didn't seem any better or worse and formula was constantly jumping around so left it on the shelf and maybe will check back in a year. The stuff I have I know and have used from 35 below zero to 102 above and hasn't let me down so it's fine. + +Only ones I'd actively stay away from are anything obviously known toxic (motor oil for example) and natural stuff like coconut oil (froglube being a well known brand) which are liable to turn to glue if left sitting. Most well regarded synthetics are likely going to be OK so long as they publish a full data safety sheet that doesn't have any red flags. +--- 57838882 +>>57838624 +>>57838654 +What were the other ones? +--- 57838918 +>>57838879 +Reason I'm asking for the other ones is because of reading the aforementioned arfcom thread and re-reading the info on CherryBalmz' website, I'm wondering if I should try some of the more "technical" lubes instead of the ol' Hoppes or Slip 2000 or so on, but I can't remember what they were called, though I recall them placing pretty high on the lube list, right by the Coom. Was it Lucas Extreme and something else? I can't remember and my autism/OCD is going insane. +--- 57839073 +>>57838816 +Time travel or killing Anons +--- 57839109 +>>57838816 +Coom oil should be enough for everything you need. If not, send lubeanon money through paypal to get a grease prototype sent to you I guess. Shipping's expensive. +--- 57839173 +>>57838465 +Poortex Strike Eagle 1-6, Derpcoated Ral-8000. May**get a Stiener Prism +--- 57839570 +>>57838408 +>lube available via Moka's shop, by /k/ommandos, for /k/ommandos +>CURRENTLY OUT OF STOCK +Figures. I get ready to buy lube for my tube and anon is all out. Shaking my head in disappointment. How will I get my alone time enjoyment in the weekend now? Take my gun out dry? +--- 57839610 +>>57839570 +Write Moka and ask for Coom amd Hentai Slings, I want that so bad +--- 57839618 +>>57839570 +Yeah I'm waiting for the coom to come back too +--- 57839800 +>>57838563 +>I think I screenshot it but don't want to go digging, but barfcom has me doubting SOTARacha, CherryBalmz is kill apparently, and I'm running low on OneShot, so looking to buy. +Sotaracha is good for basic needs. Coomoil is better. Other stuff like CLP, Ezzox, Ballistol etc are pricey and don't beat Coomoil so best to get Coomoil for your most used or best piece, then sotaracha slathered on other stuff. Coomoil wins in quality, sotaracha wins in quantity and value. I use both, but go with your needs. +--- 57840038 +>>57838918 +I've never heard of anyone being let down by slip2k ewl in any temperature or use conditions, nor if a gun has some put on it and then just sits for 6 months (though for seriously long term storage obviously grease is better than anything wet at the cost of maybe have to give it a clean first). I guess it's like, what more are you after here? Are your guns seizing up or something? Military seems to have no problem just using break free clp on absolutely everything. + +World of guns is vast so I won't claim there aren't situations where maybe something else is better, but until I find one myself kinda done with it. +--- 57840092 +>>57839800 +>Other stuff like CLP, Ezzox, Ballistol etc are pricey +I don't understand this. You can buy Ballistol by the fucking gallon and it's like, $0.85/oz. What the hell else is cheap? And anyway how is literally any lube "pricey" in the context of guns? You don't bathe the gun in it, couple of drops here and there and you're done for entire rounds. Even a 4 or 8oz bottle will last ages. The cost per outing is less then like, a single fucking bullet. What are people doing with lubes that it's a consumable they even think about beyond safety/performance? +--- 57840098 +>>57840038 +I don't know if it's just /brg/ or humans being humans, but there are a LOT of RETARDS seeking extreme best scope, extreme best BCG, extreme best lube for no real reason other than they want what others think is the best giving no thought to what they need, use, value or own. What fucking losers. +--- 57840119 +>>57840092 +>What the hell else is cheap? +Sotaracha gives you a two quarts of use for $15. +--- 57840166 +>>57840038 +>I guess it's like, what more are you after here? +I guess, more or less, I'm just interested in trying more "new" (to me) stuff, see if there's any "room for improvement" or stuff like that because I like tinkering, and I've always been wary of crappy lubes since the winters in my neck of the woods can get both very cold AND very wet at the same time (most times it's a dry(ish), -35 or so sort of deal, but there's always days where it's much worse), and the summers retardedly humid/muggy, meaning my 'tism makes me stress about muh WHAT IF's. +One of the reasons I like OneShot so much is because it's easy to just blast it in the gun and it apparently performs incredibly well compared to most stuff, but I end up going through a ton quickly and I figure I might do better by finding stuff I'm less likely to go overboard on, while maybe "performing" "better", or at least no "worse", etc. +>(Also, I punctured a can of it in my bag once and got kicked out of the range one of the few times I actually went to one and not just shooting on my own or public land, so now I'm a little jaded) +--- 57840185 +>>57840092 +>You don't bathe the gun in it +I have a problem +--- 57840230 +>>57840185 +Thinking the same thing. That anon probably doesn't own many guns or shoots much. I don't want to toot my own horn, but I have yet to see anyone on /brg/ provide PROOF that they shoot at least 400rounds a month, which I do. Not much compared to the pros, that go through 800rounds a week but a huge power gap from you average poster that owns palmettos or aeros. +--- 57840274 +>>57840119 +How much does Mobil 1 cost near you? 5 quarts is like $40 at the O'Reilly's down the road near me. +--- 57840282 +>>57839173 +Meh I need a MRAD something +--- 57840328 +>>57840230 +I still douse my Scorpion in lube after bumpfiring 300 rounds in one trip, and that's a super simplistic direct-blowback gun, kek. +My Mini, AK, and Nugget get the dowsing even moreso, for reasons I can't really explain, but they seem to run fine for the moment.... Other than the nugget being a giant POS and hurting my tender girlhands from beating on the bolt handle the entire time. +--- 57840367 +>>57840274 +I started mixing sotaracha six years ago. Started my second quart in early 2021. +>5 quarts is like $40 at the O'Reilly's down the road near me. +It's so cheap, that Amazon doesn't even bother selling them by the quart because there is no money to be gained. Then you mix your full synthetic grease of choice and voila. It's literally that easy. I'll take an updated picture with Coomoil, tomorrow for sure.... +--- 57840417 +>>57840367 +Be more careful! You've spilled more than you've put in to mix apparently! +Just kidding. Anyways, I guess I really should start using Amazon more often, I poo-poo it for no real good reason, and it's not like I can go to the general store anymore, it's all big box shit taken over, so I can't say MUH CORPORATIONS either now. I'll just submit and be a good consoomer. +--- 57840462 +>>57840417 +>Be more careful! You've spilled more than you've put in to mix apparently! +Mixing and pouring into a squirt bottle isn't easy. That's the part that took practice and skill. I'll take wax cardboard boxes from Wawa, the kind their burgers come in because they are in plentiful supply cause... REASONS, mix the grease and oil into a proper consistency, then pour the mix into a small Shiracha bottle. +--- 57840564 +>>57840490 +That bun looks really sad and now I'm depressed too... +--- 57840619 +>>57840490 +>>57840564 +>Dark room +>No signs of life, pets or children +>Mostly empty chocolate pretzel bag +>Cheapest dollar value bun with nothing on it +Anons, please don't take your life. It can get better, you will find that waifu if you try hard enough. When was the last time you talked to a woman with the intention of flirting? She's waiting for you to save her. You will find her, you only need to try. We're gonna make it brah. +--- 57840628 +>>57840230 +>Thinking the same thing. That anon probably doesn't own many guns or shoots much +That makes no sense still, because shooting a ton doesn't change the relative ratios at all. I can go through hundreds of rounds of 308 in dirty conditions without any sort of cleaning and lube. Straight from the horse's mouth with my MDR: +>https://deserttech.com/media/download/MDRX-Manual-V2-Low-res.pdf +>pg49: "Desert Tech recommends cleaning the MDRX every 1000 rounds in clean environments." +And then it's mostly a few drops here and there. My other guns are even less finnicky, not more. And that's lined up with what I've shot. And again, 1000 rounds of 308 is going to be like $700-1500 depending on what you're shooting. A gallon of Break Free CLP is $90. Even if you just hosed the fucker it with 3-4 entire ounces of CLP (jesus), that'd be 4*(90/128)=$2.81. An entire couple of dollars, or 0.2-0.4% of ammo consumption. + +Seriously anons show me why LUBE is something you stress about on pricing. Are there guns you're running that have to be hosed down every other fucking mag or something? I mean sure, shoot what you like, but if I had to clean and lube a rifle more than a dozen someodd times before the entire barrel burns out I'd sell it unless I was very attached. +--- 57840671 +>>57840619 +Hopefully it just looks worse than it is because it's in one of those stupid fucking noveau interior design schemes that's gotten so fucking popular and trendy where everything is cold colorless shades of grays/whites. Like living in a hospital. +--- 57840767 +>>57840671 +Anon that moved with a bunch of bros? You had that sterile Home Depot showroom aesthetic before you moved. Kitchen is fine style wise, it just needs life and attitude. The Time Has Come, your parents are waiting for their grandkids and death is drawing closer with each day. You can only be selfish and think about your needs, your wants, your desires before you look at the man in the mirror, and an old gray wrinkled guy stares back. +--- 57840823 +>>57839570 +Tactical reload is on the way. +--- 57840844 +>>57840823 +--- 57840912 +>>57840767 +>Doesn't even have a spice rack +Home Depot, step it up. +--- 57841111 +>>57840564 +>>57840619 +Sad bun anon here. Signs of doggo and children present, I’m just super cheap on buns and like >>57840671 said it’s a cheaper condo interior. GF and I are renovating as time goes on. +--- 57841176 +is it okay to get a ptr 91 without rail and get claw mount? or is welded the way to go +--- 57841207 +>>57841111 +--- 57841240 +>>57841176 +>is it okay to get a ptr 91 without rail and get claw mount? +I'm in the anti-claw camp. For many reasons. Expensive. They will gouge out your rifle. They don't hold zero. Not drop safe or drop proof. Claw itself will break on you, something I haven't seen happen on a pic rail. Why do you want a Claw mount? Convince me why it's better. +--- 57841300 +>>57841176 +Welded unless you are looking for very specific larp stuff. +--- 57841318 +>>57840282 +Trijicon 2-10, or if poor I think the Viper PST's have it +--- 57841519 +>>57828634 +I appreciate you following through. Cute buns. +--- 57841611 +>>57840619 +Forgot bad counter +Nice gun though +--- 57841661 +>>57833739 +>>57833720 +Fellow Ruuuun Through the Jungle chad. +--- 57841889 +Why can’t the Sig 716i have an 18” barrel with adjustable gas ugh +--- 57841927 +>>57841176 +Just get an MFI rail if you want a rail, at least you can remove them at leisure and they’re relatively cheap and available. +--- 57841943 +>>57841176 +For practical, welded, for aesthetic and proper G3 vibes: without. If you don’t want to rock a claw mount, you can get a MFI or B&T mount like my old one in pic. It held zero and was a great way to mount optics. I went with the claw mount to do proper G3 DMR vibes. I had to dremel my receiver to get the stanag claw mount to work but no pain, no gain. +>>57841207 +Thanks bru +>>57841611 +Also TY. I love my PTR. Question for you all; I want a 30mm scope for this, and I want something that fits the aesthetic of clone-correct Zeiss optics that were fielded with G3. Does anyone have a modern optic that would do the trick? +--- 57842140 +>>57830904 +Not sure but I'm thinking of getting either the Helos or the Burris Veracity 2-10. +--- 57842315 +>>57827264 +I tried ordering from RTG parts which makes me wonder why the order failed if it worked for >>57827321 +The payment went through (they refunded it when the order was canceled) and I live in texas so idk what the issue is. +--- 57842339 +>>57825770 (OP) +sell/trade galil ace gen 1 pistol and cop BR? sig tread looking kinda gud… +--- 57842377 +>>57840490 +chocolate always gets the /brg/ romance going +--- 57842464 +>>57842315 + +When I said in the mail I meant email. I had plenty of mags so I didn't buy any more. You didn't say a name at the time so when I suggested RTG it was just the first to come to mind. +--- 57842624 +>>57842464 +I must be dyslexic. But yeah that place keeps canceling my order, Ill give them a call tomorrow and see why they deny my god given right to cheap g3 mags. +--- 57842789 +>>57838425 +Is this real and how does one get? +--- 57843558 +>>57842789 +Send a mail to Lubeanon, his friend does the import for Anons and gunshops once the needed value for SAR is reached +--- 57843960 +Have a crackpot idea. +How hard do you reckon it'd be to make a retro reciever/parts set for a Ruger SFAR? +I really like the idea of a retro M-16A1 sized AR, but in .308. +I'm thinking Portuguese AR-10 style. +Reuse the same BCG and barrel extension from the SFAR, have a new 20" barrel turned for it. +Laser scan the internal dimensions, work up a retro exterior model in CAD, then CNC some new receivers using billet 6061 aluminum. +Also design a new charging handle and handguard reminiscent of the Portuguese AR-10. Drill and pin a new FSB on the 20" barrel. A1 stock and grip. +Thoughts? Can't be that hard. I have a bit of machining experience and some good friends who have done custom gun stuff before. +--- 57844011 +>>57833994 +That's actually not as retarded as it seems. Go with 13.5" bull barrel and you can pretend it's a SCAR. IIRC short bull barrels were preferred in special forces DMR setups, if you're staying in the 200-350yd range it's ideal. +Pic semi related, it seems like it's actually kinda rare for actual in-field-use .308 DMRs to have barrels longer than 16in. I'll find the anon who explained why it's viable +--- 57844038 +>>57844011 +>tldr: some cartridges lose relatively less energy than others when lowering barrel length +--- 57844092 +>>57840230 +>I have yet to see anyone on /brg/ provide PROOF that they shoot at least 400rounds a month +That makes two of us. I shoot about that much that split between 5.56 and 9mm just because .308 has been expensive and hard to find locally and most ammo companies refuse to ship to my state (blessed be RTG). I have to actively restrict how much ammo I bring to the range because I only come back with guns. +>>57841176 +If you're going to actually go out and shoot it a lot, I'd say welded. If it's going to be a range/safe queen, go with the claw for pure aesthetics +--- 57844335 +>>57840619 +I hate women. I don't want one in my life. +--- 57844403 +>>57844038 +This oversimplifies somewhat though. Like yeah, check a barrel/velocity table and do the math for your target use range and what you're after, but overly short barrel has other effects like much bigger flash bang out the end, which obviously is an effect by itself in terms of noise/lightshow but also obviously then also goes into any can one might want to use. Lot of cans have minimum barrel lengths they're warranted for in a given cartridge. Also while it shouldn't matter in this case from a quick glance, if MV changes enough it might need a different twist to achieve desired stabilization. I guess just don't forget the whole spectrum of effects is all. + +Not that any of this has anything to do with anon just wanting to do an awesome silly fun memebuild. +--- 57844512 +>>57841661 +Yezzir +Gonna get a sadlak mount here soon for a m21 clone. Is the steel really worth the extra money over the aluminum? +--- 57844613 +>>57840619 +he has a pet/kid gate so definitely one or the other +--- 57844795 +>>57841943 +What ranges are you looking at shooting also price +--- 57844928 +>>57844335 +Having been married and divorced and with girlfriend, women can make or break a good man. A good one will help you unlock your highest potential. And you should do the same for her, too. +>>57844613 +Both, my bru. Doggo is much easier. +>>57844795 +Range: 400 to 500 meters, well in the PTR’s range +Budget: upwards of 1k. I have a budget Burris on there now that isn’t awful, but using 1inch inserts is sketchy and is rather rock the proper G3 DMR vibe. +--- 57845039 +Mornin Frens +--- 57845161 +>>57845039 +Morn. +--- 57845249 +>>57845039 +>>57845161 +Gm friends +--- 57845660 +>>57845039 +>Mornin +>10am +>Not getting up before the sun does +Low +T +Niggas +--- 57845732 +>>57845660 +>the world is one timezone +--- 57845932 +>>57842377 +BW LKS Chad, love that rig to death, putting together my third one, have an old setup I threw together +--- 57845979 +>>57844011 +>Go with 13.5" bull barrel and you can pretend it's a SCAR. +That is a good idea, but I've already committed to my full retard 12.5" barrel. I'll keep that in mind. +--- 57845995 +>>57845660 +>Not sleeping until the babby starts crying +I need those extra sleep cycles +--- 57846376 +Got tired of taking the bayonet adapter out whenever I swapped to this handguard. +--- 57846492 +>>57846376 +Careful anon, a few more inches and you might have "accidentally" made a fully semi autoerotic bayonet. +--- 57848207 +Fuck, I really dont want to go with a buffer tube adapter but I think that might be the best option unless i can ask Kalashnicarver for a reduced angle clubfoot. +--- 57848250 +>>57846147 +Whats the deal with those blue bullets? +--- 57848307 +i'm bringing back hose clamps +--- 57848349 +>>57848307 +>honeycomb optic +wat +--- 57848387 +>>57848349 +never seen an ARD newfag nogunz? +--- 57848586 +>>57848349 +The Apache always knew where the Cavalry was from the glint off their spyglasses. If bluecoats into honeycomb hideout heap big scalps on belts. +--- 57848647 +>>57848349 +Lenses work in mysterious way, if you put something right in front you won't see it, it'll just appear less bright. So it reduces shine but you can still look through it. +--- 57848788 +>>57848307 +Ok, do it work and where can I get one? +--- 57848882 +>>57848647 +huh, more effective then a shaded lens or other shade? neat. +--- 57848886 +>>57848250 +Candy bullets blue raspberry flavor. +--- 57848891 +>>57848882 +ok so it also hides reflection. makes sense, same idea as screen window. +--- 57849424 +>>57848788 +it work. get on internet +--- 57849498 +>>57848788 +--- 57849700 +>>57848886 +>taste the rainbow +--- 57850079 +>>57848349 +>he doesn't know about the corn optics +--- 57850121 +>>57850079 +honestly I did not. for all shit shit on /k/ one thing that I love is after decades just seeing other anons guns and learning something new from a single picture. wish people still posted as many actual guns and groups as once happened. +--- 57850366 +Sig Tread $1,349 wat do +--- 57850396 +>>57850366 +ruger sfar $900 +--- 57850399 +>>57850366 +>Sig Tread $1,349 wat do +You do what you want with your money, but I haven't ever seen a confirmed, verified report of a Sig Tread being bad. Ruger Sfar does more nifty, cutting edge things but I have seen 3 different confirmed varied people having problems with them. Is 3 bad samples out of 5,000 a deal breaker for you? Other wise, the Sig Tread is the best of the budget AR10s. Much like the M&P10 but that rifle isn't as nice or have as many from the factory extra features. +--- 57850432 +>>57850121 +For you my new fren. Let me tell you about my leetle fren, it's heavier than you'd expect. 30rnd mags are heavy. The man purse (murse) carries 4 30s and was from Galati (sp). It's a nice solution, but last I checked, wasn't shown on thier web site. Gear for 30rnd .308 mags can be problematic, but you can always bungee cord an open top or cut your flap off and do the same. The best accessory is the Versapod grip, it's a solid handle on a less than perfect ergonomics (and heavy) gun. The little spout takes a qd bipod, so ...cool. + Normally I'm not so blabby, thx 4 rdn. Oh, yes, a piccatiny bottle opener frame right because ...cool. +--- 57850481 +>>57850432 +those carry handles are super flimsy. +use AK mag pouches. my 25 rounders get swallowed up by 'em. +--- 57850551 +>>57850396 +I like Ruger but not their semi-auto offerings. +>>57850399 +Yeah I agree +--- 57850572 +>>57850432 +thanks a bunch anon, looks very fun. +--- 57851105 +>>57850481 +>those carry handles are super flimsy. +Totally agree, unusable and came off before seeing dirt. +>>57850572 +Np, welcome. +--- 57851150 +>>57850366 +>Sig Tread $1,349 wat do +Sig is probably lowering their price to clear stock to make room for the Sig Spear 6.8 and .308 that are in production. +--- 57851161 +>>57848886 +Did some research and they appear to be cheap 308 German training rounds. +Will my Aero AR10 eat them? I only seen videos of them being used in G3 derivatives which need a special bolt. +--- 57851189 +>>57850399 +>I haven't ever seen a confirmed, verified report of a Sig Tread being bad. +I've seen a thread on SIG Talk about extractor issues, and there's a few YT videos about the same thing, but I'm not sure if those were earlier gens. Not any better or worse than simple QC fixes on the SFAR (still a problem, but if you don't know how to properly re-align a gas block, I'm not sure you should own firearms in the first place, for example.), along with plenty of other good reviews. Hot new thing gets some bad reviews and people latch onto it, a few sour grapes spoil the bunch and all that, but I really don't think you can go wrong with either and any problems either may or may not have had/are having are vastly misproportioned in my opinion. +--- 57851268 +Alright, just picked up my first BR. I am excited but think I'm going to change it up some. I'm thinking off going with a socom ace stock, PRI handguard and an 18" fluted barrel. And maybe swapping the mk4 MRT for a mk4 LRT. Thoughts? +--- 57851282 +>>57851189 +Also, while I know it's SORT OF a "pain", following Ruger's instructions for break-in and using the right gas settings shouldn't be so hard for some of these "reviewers" desufampai. (Turkey's Opinion comes to mind, if I'm not misremembering) +--- 57851325 +>>57851268 +PRI Handguard YES +Mucho sexo +--- 57851377 +>>57851268 +>Thoughts? +You're putting $800 worth of changes and upgrades when you could have just bought a better rifle. Shaking my head. Maybe you should have just built it from the ground up instead of getting a complete base to work from. +--- 57851413 +>>57851377 +I mostly bought it because of the scope. It's a $1600 scope and I paid $1600 for the whole thing. +--- 57851416 +>>57851268 +No real thoughts beyond +a) congrats on an awesome new funz and first battlerifle. +b) personally not a fan of fluted barrels but shoot it a bit as you have it first and get a feel for how it runs and what you want to do with it (if you haven't already). +--- 57851427 +>>57851413 +>It's a $1600 scope and I paid $1600 for the whole thing. +--- 57851433 +>>57851413 +nta but yeah that's a solid scope, and at that pricing it's "scope, with free br to go with it", but maybe in that case just do the minimum and drive the thing into the ground and then follow that advice later to build something else to put the scope on. But that sounds like an awesome purchase. I got my scope at a real discount too, one of the only two good gun deals of my life but fun when it happens. +--- 57851442 +>>57848349 +Insect vision mode +--- 57851488 +>>57848349 +It gives you 32x different views of your target from different angles for the best precision. +--- 57851492 +>>57832417 +unironically just look at PA's optics, for <$400 you'll find something decent. use that until you either break it or out grow it +--- 57851527 +Can anyone ID this muzzle device? +--- 57851547 +>>57851377 +>>57851433 +i've heard people say that DPMS is bad quality before. is that why you're saying it's not a good rifle? i have a DPMS in 5.56 but i've never had any problems with it. +--- 57851592 +>>57851547 +nta honestly don't know anymore but they were brought a private equity place and then got sold again during remington's bankruptcy and that kind of jumping around is rarely great. also remember problems tend to be statistical. if a company has 35% fail rate? thats fucking abysmal but also means 2/3 of customers had no issue. if you put few hundreds rounds through and runs perfect then same as most guns might be fine, just would be cautious about sinking a lot in day 1 is all. +--- 57851600 +>>57851547 +>is that why you're saying it's not a good rifle? +I'm a man of value and cost saving. I built my ADM over six months by buying parts on sale. For my Sniper rifle I saved $1200 cash, then got it on credit and paid it off in three months. I'll wait for black friday, Christmas, 4th of july and other sales instead of buying something I want or need right away. + +$1600 plus $800 parts = $2400 +You could get an entry LMT, an ADM .308 or DD V4 for similar prices. +--- 57851846 +>>57851600 +Link to lmt for $2400? +--- 57851868 +>>57851846 +Travel back in time 6years. Learn this simple trick from the pros. +--- 57851897 +>>57851868 +Unfortunately speed limit around here is 65mph. I can't go 88mph, that'd be breaking the law :( +--- 57851909 +>>57851268 +>>57851325 +Just dont buy one that covers the gas block +--- 57851967 +>>57851527 +Pretty cool, 2nd to Viper brake. +--- 57851985 +>>57851897 +Breaking the law is wrong, I learned that watching Buffy. More people should watch Buffy. +--- 57852034 +>>57851985 +this anon knows what's up +--- 57852071 +>>57851985 +I have never broken a law. + +:^) +--- 57852089 +>>57850399 +Tread is good imo. Buy it +--- 57852091 +>>57851909 +Why not? +--- 57852214 +>>57852091 +If you force the poor thing to clench and hold the gas in that eventually it'll come out as a huge stinky wet one and everyone in the range will turn and look at you and you'll be SO embarrassed. +--- 57852246 +>>57852214 +H-hot... +--- 57852293 +>>57851268 +why do you want SFP with lame ass reticle? get an accupoint 3-9 if you're willing to put up with that. also 18 inches has no meaningful benefit over 16. and get a 6.5 mememore barrel. +not sure what that ace stock does better than an A1, looks heavier. +i can tell you're going for an SPR clone in .308 or whatever, but there's a reason nobody builds rifles for serious use like that anymore +--- 57852371 +>>57852293 +>Nobody builds rifles for serious use like that anymore + +Why? I have a 5.56 mk12 mod 0 clone and it's fucking awesome. +--- 57852390 +>> 57823314 +Damn, the man I’ve tried for years to copy finally did away with the beautiful wood. +You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. +--- 57852395 +>>57852390 +>>57823314 → +Goddamnit. +--- 57852410 +>>57852390 +>>57852395 +Sometimes people change as they get older. We are all subject to the gnawing winds of eternity :( +--- 57852444 +>>57852410 +We’ll I hope you’re happy as the person you’ve become. +I’m still gonna do it though. +>I cropped out the tip of this guy’s penis. +--- 57852495 +>>57852444 +Sorry to be clear I'm not him, I still like wood even though I do have a BR now without it, I'm just commenting that I've seen friends change, and hell I can't deny I have as well. Haven't lost a lot of core stuff I loved but no sometimes I do wish I had taken different paths. Nothing for it though. + +Personally I wish you luck on your vision and think the wood looks good. I wish it was possible to get wood, even if it was on plastic or metal, versions of some bullpups or other wild designs. +--- 57852884 +>>57852371 +i already stated why. basically the only good part is the handguard +--- 57854295 +>>57825770 (OP) +Washington fags, time has been bought for you: +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LBv4_H0Ejk [Embed] +--- 57856514 +Mornin boop +--- 57856627 +Morning frens +--- 57857156 +>>57856514 +Nice Silencer. When B&T releases their mini for 5.56 in the Surefire Warcomp compatible base, I might have to get one. +--- 57857233 +>>57851105 +RFB fren! +--- 57857364 +>>57856627 +Morning anon +--- 57857373 +Why is the APC10 so heavy? +--- 57857385 +>>57857373 +I meant APC308 +Can't wait until Steyr DMR comes out. Or maybe a SAKO clone +--- 57857690 +>>57856514 +wat rail covers +--- 57857867 +>>57857690 +Your AK isn't done cooking, friend. Put it back in the oven for a while? +--- 57857984 +>>57857233 +>Foregrip on a short barrel +Hello, FBI? +--- 57857996 +Hey frens, do you know anything about these? +https://luxdeftec.eu/ldt%20products/ldt%20hsg/ldt%20hsg41 +There's one available locally but 900€ sounds too good to be true +--- 57858046 +>>57857867 +The .358 Win BLR is it’s chaperone here +--- 57858050 +>>57858046 +Always good to make sure the kids are chaperoned +--- 57858246 +>>57857984 +>he doesn't know +--- 57858265 +>>57858046 +Wise choice. +--- 57858867 +>>57858046 +Gotcha, couldn't really tell what it was at first glance. A solid choice, friend +--- 57859001 +>>57857690 +Ummmmm I think they're just old fde magpul rubbery ones. That rifle is almost totally a parts bin rifle. Always keep MBT2 triggers in the parts bin. +--- 57859663 +>>57857156 +Kek it's just a warden m8 +I refuse to get a tax stamp out of principle +--- 57859989 +>>57852444 +where did you get the 901 front sight? i found the block for sale but it doesn't have the actual sight post on it. +--- 57860127 +>>57850366 +I did a thing +--- 57860233 +>>57860127 +Based +--- 57860320 +>>57856627 +Where the FUCK do you people find wide handguards nowadays? +--- 57860367 +>>57860320 +There was a modern repro at robert's place. +--- 57860426 +>>57860320 +Mail me and i try to clear some. +--- 57860482 +>>57860426 +lube, do you need people who previously mailed you about the sar triggers to do so again? +--- 57861170 +>>57860482 +Yes, im making a list of all items for k. SARshill makes another list for gunshops. +--- 57861236 +Shot my PTR for the first time in years today. Bought it in 2021 but I couldn't have hands on it consistently until recently. I must've gotten lucky, because I haven't had a single malfunction with it besides a FTF I accidentally induced. Great rifle, I love the thing. +--- 57861354 +>>57857996 +Never heard of them. Be the first! +--- 57861671 +>>57857996 +>There's one available locally but 900€ +>900€ +I only speak AMERICAN. +--- 57861694 +>name all the countries that use metric that landed men upon the moon? +I'll wait. +--- 57861763 +Is the Tavor 7 really the best bullpup battle rifle? + +Does it also have the ironic problem with holocausting you if it’s suppressed? +--- 57861817 +>>57861763 +spending $2000 to group 2+ inches is retarded, especially on a modern gun +--- 57861877 +>>57861763 +Does anyone here even have one? I've seen all the 308 battle rifles get posted here EXCEPT the T7 +--- 57861903 +>>57861763 +>Is the Tavor 7 really the best bullpup battle rifle? +No, though it's one of the decent choices. There is no perfect bullpup BR though and I say that as someone who owns and likes one. All of them have tradeoffs. But all of the top newer ones are also solid and a ton of fun in varying ways, so I don't think you'd go wrong with whatever you liked so long as you make sure you understand what you're after and have the budget. Tavor 7 does have a 4 position AGB iirc so I assume if you pair that with a low backpressure can you should be able to tune it alright. How good a suppressor platform something is though is one of the things that can vary. + +Also there are other advances to take into account, like if this year one of the more advanced flow through designs get applied to 30cal a lot of that tradeoff may go away on nearly any BR platform at all. +--- 57861950 +>>57861817 +Everything I’ve seen points to about 1.5 MOA which isn’t bad. + +>>57861903 +Which ones do you think are better? The MDR? RFB? MDR seems cool in theory, but it seems like they’re super hit or miss on quality. I don’t want to spend $3k on a lemon. I’ve heard good things about the RFB, but again it’s leltec so who knows what you’re actually gonna get. + +I just want a bullpup battle rifle that is “combat ready” and the Tavor platform is battle proven (against unarmed children) +--- 57861958 +>>57861950 +And I really wish there were more options. I would buy a 7.62 AUG in a heartbeat +--- 57862008 +>>57861877 +>Does anyone here even have one? I've seen all the 308 battle rifles get posted here EXCEPT the T7 +I think I saw one in one of the bullpup general threads, maybe a month ago? But yeah if there's a /brg/ anon with one would love impressions, I only got to shoot one once last year, was fun but not like I own one, I have an mdr. Damn heavy beast though, even for a bullpup. Trigger wasn't as good but good enough. Apparently it's not that accurate (again, even for a bullpup), though 2-4moa would still be gudenuf for hunting if you really wanted. I can't speak to that personally because I didn't shoot it enough for my own groups to mean anything. + +Also forgot to mention one kinda interesting thing is that with the gas block one of the positions is just "off", you can literally turn it into a purely manual repeater. Can't remember seeing that before. +--- 57862064 +>>57862008 +Yeah, I'm interested in a breakdown from someone who actually owns one too. I love love love my RFB but I was going to get a T7 as a second choice. There's just not much practical info out there. +--- 57862091 +>>57862008 +How do you like the MDR? + +>>57862064 +How do you like the RFB? + +Pros and cons of both? +--- 57862100 +>>57861950 +where are you seeing that? overwhelmingly people report 2-4 MOA. +--- 57862126 +>>57861958 +>I would buy a 7.62 AUG in a heartbeat +From God to you and me, fren! +--- 57862154 +>>57861950 +>Which ones do you think are better? +I mean, I'm not trying to fuck with you anon or be waffly when I say that doesn't have a clear answer. I researched it a lot, I shot them a bunch, and I went with an MDR, but it does have one real design flaw/really weird choice (fixed block tied to rail section), whose importance will vary a bit. They've massively improved on quality, if you buy one right now you're getting a significant number of improvements, but there absolutely can still be lemons. Of my two, one worked perfectly, liked it enough got another (admittedly during coof off of shekelbroker), and it failed after one single shot. But then on another side, their warranty service was as good as I could wish. Zero bullshit, told them the problem, they sent me a label, paid for shipping both ways, had it done in a few weeks and that was over the xmas/new years holiday season too, and they also gave me upgrades to recent improvements. Which doesn't change the fact it broke after one shot and then I didn't have it for three weeks. They should bring everything in house already. + +But I still love the thing. I can do 1.5moa groups with limited practice after finding the right ammo. Non-float block makes it stupid picky though for such an expensive gun. But T7 is apparently not a sub-moa hole driller either? It's lighter and shorter than the T7, like the trigger better (but variable), better after market, it has a 6 position block vs 3+off, forward eject is actually pretty cool. Split rail doesn't matter to me because I'm only using an LPVO, it could be a deal breaker for someone else, T7 is superior in that regard. They're both pretty ambi friendly. Then there's a bunch of little details, like grip storage, 3rd mag release, differences in rear bolt catch etc. A lot of that is really subjective. + +If MDR had floating block, better rail setup, and if their 2023 efforts show real quality improvement I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it. As it stands though maybe T7? +--- 57862215 +>>57862154 +sorry for wall of text. Also I've seen mine go down to 1.3moa, which still isn't amazing, but haven't been able to do that consistently, and that itself is one of the issues, it's too damn picky in that regard. A very comprehensive review technically did submoa, but only with one single brand of ammo out of like dozens tested. And when I wrote about trigger varying, mind is 4 lbs something, but others have seen 5.5 lbs, which again is an example of inconsistent quality control. But they did a huge apology video a year ago and said they'd improve, so maybe it's better? + +But that mere fact of rapid change is another problem. Tavor 7 has just plain been around longer, it's stable, you know what you get right? DT, like Keltec, continues to iterate, which in one way is a good thing, I mean shit, better to keep polishing something then just ignore flaws. But I can't give them full credit since it's not trivial to tell where you stand, and obviously it'd be better if it was smoother all along. + +I liked shooting the RFB too for what it's worth, though again I don't own one. I had one fte though with it and found it hard to clear that vs the others as one example downside. + +Guess this is all a lot of words to say it's a gun I like but that also gives me an idea of its faults and they're real. Don't want anyone to be disappointed. Guess I will lean towards suggesting the 7 might be best because you don't sound like you want to deal with any fiddling and I cannot honestly say with an MDR anything more than "you'll get there in the end". Check back in 2024/2025? Otherwise T7 is probably "safer". +--- 57862226 +>>57862091 +Great gun. Took a short break in period but after that I haven't had any issues that weren't mag related (using thermolds has never worked out so I just stick to steel/aluminum FAL mags). I've almost exclusively shot cheap M80 ball through it, and it groups around 2-2.5 MOA on my rifle. I did put a couple boxes of M118 through and I remember it being noticeably tighter at 100yds. Honestly I need to go buy a bunch of different higher quality ammo and see how it goes. With just regular M80 I've had good results from 0-500 yds, though. The steel rings and it's fun. + +Pros: The gas adjustment is insane on this thing, there's 34 clicks on mine. You can make it run basically anything and have an enjoyable experience, mild recoil, etc. Other than that the usual bullpup perks of small package. Also the RFB definitely has one of the best stock triggers of the bullpups. + +Cons: FAL mags. If you can't find good steel/aluminum, you'll have to settle for the various polymers. I don't like em at all, so I just paid up for the good stuff. People meme about plastic gun but only the lower assembly is actually plastic. The rest of it is all metal, making it pretty hefty (in a good way). If you're an accessory guy then the rail space might be lacking, even if you install the handguard rail. I'm still trying to figure out if/how I want to put a light on mine. + +Can't think of much more to say other than it just werks +--- 57862237 +>>57862154 +>warranty service was as good as I could wish. Zero bullshit, told them the problem, they sent me a label, paid for shipping both ways, had it done in a few weeks +Anyone should be able to admit it doesn't get better that that. SW, Ruger, Winchester name it, couldn't do better. Except sell guns that work the first time. Still, that's pretty great service. +--- 57862239 +>>57862100 +Arfcom, boomer forums, Reddit, various YouTubers. I’ve seen reports of worse accuracy too, but more recent reviews seem to trend towards 1.5 MOA + +>>57862154 +I appreciate the well thought out post. I have seriously considered the MDR in the past. Cool gun when it works, but definitely would not consider it a rugged milspec rifle +--- 57862281 +>>57862226 +How do you find the build quality to be? On par with milspec rifles? + +>>57862237 +>Except sell guns that work the first time +I mean that’s pretty important. If I wanted a gun that didn’t work, I’d just buy a Turkish shotgun +--- 57862356 +>>57862237 +>Except sell guns that work the first time +Right, well that's the kicker ain't it? Their service is good enough that it moves to "tradeoff" territory vs "dealbreaker" territory to me, in that I got a lemon and they really took care of me. They even called me up to check on how it was going after. But at the same time damn, there do seem to be a lot of lemons period. And no one WANTS to get a new gun, pull it out of the box, fire it up and whoops, off for service! But then again it's worked great ever since, in bad conditions, and down to 30 below zero, so it's not inherently unreliable either, which makes it different from real shit designs. So yeah. +>>57862239 +>I appreciate the well thought out post. +Glad if it was any help, sorry again for words, was kind of thinking it through as I wrote. And fwiw, again anecdotal, but it seems like a bathtub curve gun. IF it shoots 300 rounds, it's probably going to be good for 3000 or 6000 rounds. Friend had an original gen 1 MDR (not MDRX) even, did the free kit but that still didn't bring it to mdrx and yet it's still been chewing steadily along no problem. So I guess once broken in I do trust it. But getting there? Wish it was better. +>a rugged milspec rifle +Yeah probably not if only because of that rail section bit. If you wanted to stick a cozeroed MAWL or front NV/FLIR or whatever on there it's just not going to work. And that is a design, not QC issue. +--- 57862395 +>>57862281 +I'm no machinist/metal expert/etc, but in my experience it's a solid rifle, certainly not milspec but it isn't too far off. Haven't had anything break yet, although I have seen people post about welds failing due to spotty QC. I bought mine "used" off GB but it was basically new, very low serial number but had all of the gas system/bolt improvements. +--- 57862400 +>>57862356 +>Their service is good enough that it moves to "tradeoff" territory vs "dealbreaker" +A valid perspective. +--- 57862420 +How cool is that? +--- 57862436 +>>57862420 +that is pretty cool +--- 57862459 +>>57862420 +Kind of a funny chicken headstamp. Loading M14 mags so zen for me. Enjoy my National Geographic cover quality 7x eye loope and cell cam photograph. +--- 57862469 +>>57862356 +also purely as an aside because was discussing it on /brg/ like two threads ago with another MDR owner, I just learned yesterday the apparent reason for their strange rail/block design and the reason itself was SO FUCKING WEIRD. So like, apparently it's tied in with the modular caliber system they're proud of, where you can take any MDR and convert it from 30cal straight down to SBR. They sell this dinky little cheap pistol style RDS with a strange custom mount that attaches directly to that single rail section, and the idea is that you'd buy a bunch of these and have one for each barrel assembly, so you can have them all zeroed separately tied to a specific barrel assembly and go from 5.56 to 308 or whatever in the field and have an RDS work right away with no rezeroing, and this is supposed to be some neat thing worth all the tradeoffs. And somebody powerful likes it so much they've resisted all efforts to change it. + +Those fucking mormons man. +>>57862395 +I wonder, for some of these guns used might almost be better than new? Like, if it's only been used 500 rounds or something, in 308 that isn't much wear at all but now you know it's broken in and isn't an oob lemon. +--- 57862481 +>>57862420 +>>57862459 +based +--- 57862528 +>>57862469 +All of my bullpups were bought "used" off fuddbroker and every time I've opened the box they were basically new. Considering the deals I got for them and how well they're working out I am not complaining at all. +--- 57862582 +>>57833720 +very nice +--- 57862761 +>>57862215 +one final thing, the multicaliber is potentially interesting, but not to me so not sure how to rate it. But I can see some people liking that you can take an mdr and go to 5.56/223 or 300bo or sneed, or even third party, you can actually do 350 legend and 450 bushmaster from es. If someone lived in a state with restrictions on bottleneck cartridge use, that itself might be a killer feature vs any other bullpup on the market or even a bunch of brs. + +Since I don't though I can't really think of why I'd use that vs buying another gun, so didn't even really think about it, yet it is technically neat? Dunno. +--- 57862880 +>>57862481 +It's just such a wonderful endorphin release. I think because I must really enjoy recycling cardboard. I just want to do my part for a better world. +--- 57862898 +>>57862528 +>"used" off fuddbroker and every time I've opened the box they were basically new. Considering the deals I got for them and how well they're working out I am not complaining at all. +Weird, my "trust issues radar" would be telling me they were dumping lemons. Nice score. +--- 57862913 +>>57862898 +Don't get me wrong, I was apprehensive at first too, but I checked everything I could and tried to cover my bases and it all worked out. Now if only DM had the low mounts in stock for ps90s, I'd be all set. +--- 57862915 +>>57862761 +I think those kinds of features are cool, but are they *actually* accessible and easy to take advantage of? + +As an AUG fag, the AUG is great because you can theoretically convert it from an LMG, to a carbine, to a 9mm PCC with a few easy swaps. In reality, barrels are sparse if not unicorn levels of rare and expensive, and 9mm kits number within the hundreds. I feel like that’s the case with most of these “multi-purpose” guns +--- 57862917 +>>57862880 +>I just want to do my part for a better world +Then go plant some trees. You'll be lucky if half the shit you "recycle" actually gets re-used. +--- 57863001 +>>57862917 +Just ran the chain saw today. Hoping to poach some ocelots in the fall. +--- 57863072 +>>57862915 +>but are they *actually* accessible and easy to take advantage of? +Yes, absolutely. It's a big thing for them, one of their core features they're enthusiastic about, kits a readily available. Go look, everything is in stock that I can see right now. So that at least is not an issue, and bunch of anons have done it even. Not hard either, I've seen people swap em in like 10min or less, though I assume doing it the first time would take longer. ES's take like 3-4 months apparently, but that's a super high end comp type of ultra custom job where you can specify different twists, fluting styles if you want even, so doesn't strike me as a weird it'd take awhile. + +So they're in no way unicorns, but they are damn expensive, and that's another point in the T7's favor, it's just plain cheaper. Like a solid $250-450 off the gun, that's real money. And you could have any MDR conversion kit you wanted and have it next week, but they're $700-1000 each. You could get a decent basic full standard pattern BR for that, even if sure it's much less then another bullpup. +--- 57863177 +>>57862226 +Lucky Irishman handguards are pretty slick looking when you have the rail connector installed. Without it they look goofy to me. I have an idea for another handguard in my head, but unfortunately I am terrible at putting in-my-head ideas on paper due to my incredible retardation. +--- 57863630 +>>57861763 +In terms of performance, features and theoretical quality where it just works? +MDRx > Tavor > Aug > RFB +In terms of real life use and what actually works as advertised? +Aug > Tavor > RFB > MDRx +--- 57863696 +>>57862898 +>Weird, my "trust issues radar" would be telling me they were dumping lemons. +I've gotten 3 used items from Gun Broker and yeah, they worked. But I stuck to relatively fool proof guns like HK USP, Jericho 941 and Sig Scorpion 1911. You're correct in that if you buy used "bad" reputation guns, then you are taking big risks my white american friend. +--- 57863738 +>>57862880 +>That feeling you get when your can is over flowing with ammo and you've no choice but to shoot what doesn't fit +--- 57863875 +>>57860426 +What’s your email? +--- 57864377 +anyone have any sr25 lancer mags? are they worth it? sure look pretty damn cool but ouch are they expensive vs pmags. +--- 57864420 +>>57864377 +I have several I have not used yet. +--- 57865583 +>>57831495 +Didn't set out to buy a bunch of sig firearms but I bought an M18 because I was already familiar with it and liked it from what I had seen of it. The sig tread I bought during the COVID bs when I was on leave briefly back from Germany, only Decent looking/feeling ar10/.308 anyone seemed to have in stock. Definitely don't feel like it was a bad purchase though +--- 57866828 +NN +--- 57867679 +>>57864420 +since it's a meme build might grab two anyway +--- 57868809 +Would anyone happen to have a spare $1200 so I can purchase a garand? +--- 57868823 +>>57863875 +Thats my public mail, more than a half year on /k/ :) +LUBEcu19s@eclipso.de +--- 57868928 +>>57868823 +>more than a half year on /k/ +Get a load of this newfag. +--- 57869016 +>>57868928 +Yeah, because Im here since 6months LOL. +--- 57869027 +>>57868928 +I would rather not. +--- 57869479 +Patiently waiting... +--- 57869893 +>>57868928 +>Get a load of this newfag +He actually sells them for 10 bucks a bottle. +--- 57870303 +You know by now I only post unique, this would make for the most baddass camper under the "covered wagon syndrom" ever: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1987-mercedes-benz-unimog-10/ +Ever. +--- 57870621 +>>57870303 +--- 57870722 +Can someone explain 5r rifling to me? +--- 57870798 +>>57840230 +never understood this. even when i lived in LA id put 1k rounds down range a month. its really not that hard just budget and or get a better job. +--- 57870964 +>>57870722 +it has 5 grooves. supposedly, since none of the grooves are directly opposing each other, this is better for accuracy because of how the bullet gets squished or something. +--- 57870978 +>>57870722 +Smoother and nicer rifling angles, doesn't deform the bullet so much. +--- 57871041 +>>57870964 +>>57870978 +Tanks +--- 57871052 +>>57870798 +I don't understand why you think how many rounds you put down range has anything to do with relative lube costs. Wouldn't matter if you did 10k rounds per month. The proportional cost of lube per bullet/barrel would still be zilch. +--- 57871141 +>>57871052 +I think the liquid volume for surface protection is higher than the need for lubrication. Cost for lubrication per cleaning is around 2-7ct with Coom, so yeah its ALOT and makes you poor +--- 57871385 +>>57871141 +>I think the liquid volume for surface protection is higher than the need for lubrication +Well, if I ever develop the burning desire to leave my non-cerakoted guns sitting outside in the rain for a month between usage I'll certainly keep that in mind. +>Cost for lubrication per cleaning is around 2-7ct with Coom, so yeah its ALOT and makes you poor +too true but sometimes fates smile on you, I thought it was all over for me last year due to cost of lube but then I noticed a shiny quarter on the ground at the range, phew crisis averted for another year! +--- 57871719 +The Time Has Come And So Have I. +Cosplay Edition. +--- 57871844 +French Bread: >>57871837 → +>>57871837 → +>>57871837 → +--- 57871995 +Poopa +--- 57872040 +>>57871719 +>Cosplay Edition. +Nicely done, my man. Peasant girl edition next time. +--- 57872870 +>>57871995 +Looks shopped, but I'm pretty sure it's not. +>>57872040 +Nice diff --git a/k/57827396.txt b/k/57827396.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4f7d6b228fb1694ce09976acdaa9f95759c431fe --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57827396.txt @@ -0,0 +1,1136 @@ +----- +--- 57827396 +Billy Waugh edition +Lying about medical record: GOOD +Lying about criminal record: BAD + +>Resources: +>Before you ask a question, check the FAQ +http://pastebin.com/Rx0nDuga + +>Free ASVAB Practice Tests +https://www.asvabpracticetests.com/ + +>Fort Jackson Army Basic Training Guide (Nov. 2020) +https://pastebin.com/yg972vRE (Short version) +https://pastebin.com/53tsDj90 (40 page version) + +>Special Forces Fitness Guide +http://specialforcesrecruiter.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/THOR3-10-Week-Program.pdf +http://www.stewsmith.com/linkpages/sfart.htm#:~:text=PT%3A%20Every%20other%20day.,of%2040%20to%2050%20reps). + +>https://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/index.php +For all Army SF info. + +>https://www.airwarriors.com/community/ +>https://mega.nz/folder/ZQhQDLQA#SrCZyqNQiomnG4DsTzcNMg +Naval Aviator forum with info on Navy OCS, as well study guides for ASTB-E + +>https://bogidope.com/civilian-to-guard-or-reserve/the-ultimate-military-pilot-career-path-part-1/ +Airforce Pilot guide - just do AFROTC, political science major, 4.0 with athletics is auto-acceptance + +>Info on sf86 +https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf86.pdf + +>How to get way overqualified physically for BMT/BCT when starting from nothing +https://pastebin.com/yGzadpNZ + +>How can I get more college credits while I'm in without signing up for classes +CLEP/DSST information: +https://dantes.doded.mil/EducationPrograms/get-credit/creditexam.html + +>What is MHS GENESIS? +https://www.health.mil/Military-Health-Topics/MHS-Transformation/MHS-GENESIS +https://calmed.tricare.mil/Getting-Care/MHS-GENESIS-Patient-Portal +--- 57827621 +Why is NAFO leaking TOPSECRET/NOFO documents to win arguments in War Thunder? +Verification not required. +--- 57828356 +What are good certs/foundry courses for a 35F? +--- 57828663 +How disqualifying is ADHD? I was diagnosed with it at a young age, thought I haven't taken (or needed) meds for it since I was ten, but I had an IEP through most of school. I wasn't going to mention it to the recruiter, but I'm worried it will show up on Genesis and fuck me if I don't. +--- 57828725 +Anybody here Coast Guard? I've been wanting to enlist and join the deployable operations group they have as either Taclet or MSRT. What should I expect from it? I'm also considering doing Navy EOD after I went to my recruiter and learned about it. My main consideration is how much time I would get working in the field +--- 57828770 +>>57828356 +mental illness. +--- 57828773 +>>57828725 +DOG is dead and they never actually did their jobs anyways. When is the last time an MSRT shot someone? Navy POGs saw more shit in the GWOT +--- 57828787 +>>57828663 +Just don't mention it. I had a kid in my basic with sickle cell anemia. Kid next to me at airborne was color blind. They'll never know. +--- 57828792 +>>57828787 +Sickle cell anemia can be confirmed with a blood test which they likely performed which is why his dog tags were red you dumb fucking boot +--- 57828826 +>>57828792 +He didn't have red dog tags. He said he was nervous they'd not allow him in, so he didn't mention it at MEPS. As far as I know, it never came back to him. +--- 57828880 +>>57828826 +Well they're red now. +--- 57828958 +Why is this off-topic general allowed? +--- 57828996 +>>57828663 +If it's not medicated and was diagnosed at a young age you could be fine. But don't mention it if you don't have to. +--- 57829021 +>>57828996 +>the neverserve name faggot is still here +Yikes +--- 57829124 +Why can't we talk about our negative experiences in the military when the thread is off-topic to begin with? Is this really a FED invested thread? +--- 57829162 +>>57829124 +The people bitching about it being off-topic were never in (a western) military. Vets share their shitty stories and teenagers pretend to know more than they actually do (and then demand timestamped uniform items). It's the /meg/ ecosystem. +--- 57829217 +>>57827396 (OP) +>just found out I got selected for commission +I finally made it out of the hood, bros. +--- 57829230 +>>57829162 +Nah, I've seen posts deleted in this very thread for talking about realities in the military. It's a blatant recrootment thread and completely off-topic to this board. Not surprising, given how pozzed this board has become. The constant shilling for Ukraine speaks volumes for the current affairs of this board. +--- 57829251 +>>57829230 +>completely off-topic to this board +/meg/ has been around since 2015 and the reason it exists because people got tired of "how do I join dah muhreens" and similar threads like it. It's no more off topic then /ak/. +--- 57829254 +>>57829230 +>/pol/ jibberish +So you're the former, got it +--- 57829265 +>>57829251 +I'd say 2012. That's when I was using it. +--- 57829276 +>>57829254 +Dude you're just proving him right +--- 57829307 +>>57829276 +He posted absolutely no information or personal stories or even third-party anecdotes about being in the military, just an impotent whine about Ukraine. That's off-topic in an "off-topic thread". I don't know what you want, do you want the thread not to exist or do you want it to exist but only if the posts conform to your (autistically specific) worldview? +--- 57829356 +>>57829251 +>how do I join dah muhreens" and similar threads like it +Nobody posts these threads, but even when these generals are dead or achieved, they're miraculously bumped or always present. So either FEDS are making sure the general is always active, or there's a sad obsessed anon making these threads for over a decade +>>57829254 +Oh, I'm sorry. I thought this board was for discussing weapons. How dare I don't give a rat's ass about Ukraine or Russia. +--- 57829385 +>>57829307 +>He posted absolutely no information or personal stories or even third-party anecdotes about being in the military +No. Anon. Because if i did post my experience, the mods would delete my post for wrong-think like they already have itt. I understand you're reading comprehension is shit, but try to keep up. +--- 57829413 +>>57829217 +lol you're going right back to the hood to be a junior manager +>>57829356 +I don't think that's true, otherwise you would be equally upset with counter-ukraine posts. You're disingenuous and passive-aggressively filtering like a scorned woman. +--- 57829431 +>>57829385 +>if i did post my experience +>you're reading comprehension +ESL your way out of here, faggot +--- 57829436 +>>57829413 +>otherwise you would be equally upset with counter-ukraine posts. +What part of "i don't give a rat's ass about Ukraine or Russia" went over your head? Fucking dumbass. +--- 57829463 +>>57829436 +>What part of "i don't give a rat's ass about Ukraine or Russia" went over your head? Fucking dumbass. +This part: +>>57829230 +>The constant shilling for Ukraine speaks volumes for the current affairs of this board. +--- 57829467 +>>57829356 +>but even when these generals are dead or achieved, they're miraculously bumped or always present. +>This general that has been board for years keeps getting threads. +>The only possible explanation for this is Glowies +--- 57829472 +>>57829431 +>he used youre instead of your!!! +>gottem +Imagine resorting to muh grammar because you cant formulate an actual argument. Again, I understand youve reinforced you have 0 reading comprehension, but try before you post next time. +--- 57829491 +>>57829463 +>an anon is sick of the shilling for a country he doesnt give a rat's ass about +>acktually that clearly means you DO care +Really dumbass? +--- 57829494 +Monkey's going nuclear now +--- 57829521 +>>57829467 +>This general that has been board for years keeps getting threads. +>The only possible explanation for this is Glowies +No, no, no, shit-reading-comprehension-anon, i said it could also be a pathetic obsessive anon making these off-topic generals. Perhaps (You)? FEDS or not, they are still shit generals. +--- 57829543 +it's really falling apart for them isn't it? +--- 57829546 +>>57829521 +>No people can't actually be interested in joining the military on this board where talk about the military it has to be one schizo +--- 57829550 +>>57829431 +>ESL your way out of here, faggot +I hope you're being coy... +--- 57829579 +>>57829546 +>threads are dead all the time +>always bumped before achieving +>any posts that speak ill of the military are deleted +>ignores the amount of traffic coming from Eglin +Yeah. Okay. +--- 57829615 +>>57829579 +>threads are dead all the time +>always bumped before achieving +That also applies to a bunch of generals. /k/ is fairly slow board. +--- 57829682 +>>57829615 +>it's okay because... +If the general needs to be bumped constantly to keep it afloat, why not let it die? Oh, maybe because somebody wants to ensure this off-topic general is always present on this board. But wait! If you want to participate in the shitty off-topic general, make sure you only say good things about the military or we'll delete your post. Go ahead, give your justification for why this general should be allowed to stay. +--- 57829740 +>>57829682 +The enter premise of your is argument is muh glowies. Literally every general on this website no matter the subject will get bumped once in awhile so that the thread won't get archived and discussion can continue. +>But it's Le off topic +Please explain to me how this general is somehow any less off topic then /ak/ which is literally dedicated to posting pictures of anime girls or /Cangen/ which is literally dedicated to one country. +--- 57829742 +>>57829579 +have you ever tried making the /meg/ thread yourself? i promise you the jannies won't not delete it.... why do you think the image for this general is deleted half the time? +--- 57829768 +>>57829742 +>why do you think the image for this general is deleted half the time? +Because it's weird gay stuff that you post +--- 57829772 +>>57829740 +The funny thing is people like shitpost and seethe in the general and inadvertently bump the thread. We have plenty of /meg/ threads these days that are nothing but schizo babble keeping the thread afloat. +--- 57829777 +>>57829615 +>/k/ is fairly slow board +Compared to /o/ and /diy/ this board moves at lightning speed +--- 57829788 +>>57829740 +>please defend another off-topic thread to justify this one +You really are a dumbass. +>>57829742 +>have you ever tried making the /meg/ thread yourself? +Why would I? The only time these generals are amusing is when they shit on the current military, but half the post that criticize the military are deleted or get assblasted by shills. Just look at the archives for when anon called out the clot shot mandates. +--- 57829799 +>>57829788 +>Just look at the archives for when anon called out the clot shot mandates. +That because most of it was some schzio sperging out about how it was the Mark of the Beast or how everyone was going to drop dead +--- 57829835 +>>57827396 (OP) +Anyone got any info on Navy Reserves Intel? I am going for officer. I am in Texas btw if that makes a difference. +--- 57829847 +>>57829799 +>schzio sperging +>the Mark of the Beast +>how everyone was going to drop dead +Either a shill or dumbass. Any anon that expressed concern, or questioned the mandate, was met with dumb replies like (You)r's. The clot shot were unjustified, but i degrees. These generals glow. +--- 57829856 +>>57829835 +I'm also transgender, not sure that matters. +--- 57829861 +>>57829847 +>but i degrees +I to degrees +--- 57829862 +>>57829847 +>posts the military 1200%+ cancer rate since 2021 vax mandate documents from Congress +how many times do we have to humiliate you, old man? +--- 57829865 +>>57829856 +Trannies deserve death +--- 57829893 +>>57829861 +It's cute how you try to point out spelling/grammar errors while making them yourself. I would assume it's intentional, but I doubt you're cognizant of it. +--- 57829908 +>>57829862 +Generally can't tell if you're defending or criticizing the clot shots. +--- 57830127 +>>57828725 +The EODs I saw worked out five times a day, and when they weren't skating on the mess decks, they were fucking E-3 thotties. +That was on a carrier, though, and I didn't know any of them personally. + +How hard is it to join again? How difficult is it to go into naval aviation as an enlisted? I want to wear a flight jacket. +--- 57830182 +>>57829847 +You’re STILL here? +--- 57830275 +>>57830182 +>pot let me introduce you to kettle +Why the fuck are (You) here? Oh, that's right, you need to make sure your thread stays glowing. +--- 57830319 +>>57828773 +>>57830127 + +That sounds good, thanks for the input +--- 57830587 +>>57830275 +O B S E S S E D +--- 57830643 +>>57828356 +IFPC +--- 57831779 +>a thread about military careers is off-topic on /k/ +Cope and seethe, self-hating American. Your crusade has yielded zero results and your bitching just keeps the threads bumped. Even if /meg/ goes away, you’ll find something else to complain about. +Remember: you are here forever. Hahahahaha +--- 57831814 +>muh glowies keep bumping the thread when it’s almost dead! +How would you know this, unless you are constantly monitoring the thread? That sounds exhausting, watching a thread on 4chan slide up and down the pages all day and night. What would compel a man to waste his life like this? Or rather, what does this man lack in his life? +--- 57831835 +Leg 11b here if anyone has questions +--- 57831857 +>Duty day is on a Saturday again +--- 57832756 +I think there are recruiters here because they never give accurate or non-obfuscated info on joining. Anyone can do research and see that a lot has changed but these guys want you to use old outdated info. + +Also, complain about anything and they get pissed. Most recruiters are massively braindead including the officer recruiters. They can't even set up a zoom meeting correctly. +--- 57832814 +>>57829021 +>Yikes +Cope. +--- 57832836 +Would I be severely limited in my career potential if I commissioned now at 30? It goes without saying that my 20s haven’t gone in a way that is exactly ideal and I’m worried I’m screwed no matter what I do now. +--- 57832847 +>>57832836 +By the way, I’m mainly considering Army, but am open to all branches. +--- 57833054 +>>57832756 +>he’s too afraid to respond to me +Seethe harder nonserve +--- 57833071 +Does anyone have an explanation for why 99% of guys in the army seem to be obsessed with Latinas +Is it part of a military psyop? +--- 57833234 +pssst liam, look at this cutie! *stares at you all evening* +--- 57833285 +>>57829230 +>spams it’s a recrootment thread and complains about it being so every single thread +What mental illness drives a person to do this? Just filter the thread you gonk +--- 57834599 +>>57833285 +No, I must make myself angry every single day about a problem that only I think is a problem! I deserve to have my way on an anonymous anime forum which is notorious for not giving a fuck about user preferences! +--- 57834750 +>>57833071 +99% of guys in the army are Latino +--- 57834965 +>>57833071 +>THICC LATINA E-3s +--- 57835013 +>>57827621 +picrel +--- 57835040 +I swear, /pol/yps are angrier about this thread in particular than any other. +--- 57835056 +>>57827396 (OP) +>this thread again + +FUCK OFF FED +--- 57835078 +>>57827396 (OP) +>You WILL enlist +>You WILL learn teamwork and basic tactics +>You WILL spend 4 years PMCSing Humvees. +--- 57835101 +>>57835040 +>gun talk +>must join the army +Lmao tell your co they are just as stupid as you +--- 57835136 +>>57828787 +dirty RIGGER +--- 57835221 +>>57828787 +>I had a kid in my basic with sickle cell anemia. Kid next to me at airborne was color blind. + + +They test for both of these conditions. You literally cannot hide them. They just put it in your medical profile. +--- 57835262 +The most based US serviceman to ever live. +--- 57835273 +>>57835101 +Literally a bot reply. +--- 57835753 +>>57835262 +wrong +--- 57836010 +>>57830127 +Naval Aircrew is a difficult school but it is achievable if you’re fit and focused. It’s harder for rescue swimmer candidates obviously. +--- 57836045 +>>57832756 +Sounds like you’re autistic +--- 57836050 +>57833054 +>noooooo you have to give me a (You) +Lmao +>>57833285 +If (You)r dumbass is referring to me, my original complaint was the fact you can't talk about the realities of being in the military unless it's PC, which is dumb when the thread is off-topic itself. Why does calling out the recrootment thread make you FEDS seethe so much? Kek. +--- 57836073 +>>57835262 +he's really damn cute... what is he, naval officer? i would love to take orders from him all night long +--- 57836109 +>>57836073 +Thats an E1 Airman. Good 50/50 chance he's gay, so youre in luck +--- 57836346 +>>57836109 +Since when do E1 get to have nice coats like that? +--- 57836443 +>>57827396 (OP) +I was caring for a sick family member and made the mistake of not keeping up with my fitness while away from home. Now I'm trying to get back into it and it's exceedingly difficult to do the amount of exercise I used to do every day. How do I get back into it? Im feeling fatigued and just have trouble starting +--- 57836465 +So this isn't an enlistment-related question, but I feel like this is a better place to ask than any: for everyone who's a veteran, what's been your experience with the Veterans Benefits Administration (VBA)? + +The reason I'm asking is cause I recently accepted a Veterans Service Representative (VSR) position there. And I want to know what I'm getting into. + +I've also worked similar customer service-type jobs in the past, and I've had people tell me I'm good at it, especially in terms of being emphatic. But I want to know what's frustrated you about dealing with the VSRs in the past. And just in case I end up reviewing your claim or talking to one of you guys, I want to know if there's anything specific you would appreciate me doing. +--- 57836503 +>>57836465 +Don't get frustrated and take it out on the one honestly broken guy after struggling through 10 one-term supply clerks who are blatantly scamming the system. +--- 57836505 +>>57836443 +just push harder man. not much else you can do if you're getting the nutrients, water, and sleep you need. maybe you fell out of touch with your mentality. +--- 57836537 +>>57836073 +>Naval Officer +>No rank insignia, no ribbons, no shoulder boards, +>Literally the slickest of sleeves in Airman Blues + +I hate civilians. +--- 57836647 +>>57836503 +I promise you I won't. Like I said, I try to be emphatic when dealing with people. I've worked a call center job where I had people who were already pissed off when they first got on the phone with me, and then were thanking me for helping them by the end. I understand you guys are frustrated after all the bullshit you've been thru and then having to deal with bureaucracy just to get medical benefits on top of that. +--- 57837533 +I wanna do coolguy stuff in active, but am currently looking to do service in the ARNG while I'm still working on my bachelor's. Recruiter told me there's no 17C vacancy, but they can get me 17E. Whats the job like for 17E? Should I take this if I wanna do stupid combat arms or SF shit when I go active? +--- 57837570 +>31, Engineer +>Have good skin because I don't go outside and do med diet/eat organic heavily +>Some zoomer retard recrooter tried approaching me today +Are you niggers really that fucking desperate +--- 57838136 +>>57837570 +It must be getting pretty entertaining now that zoomers are getting old enough to become recruiters. +I would love to see the interaction between some socially awkward 25 year old e-5 try to get a late 30s professional to consider enlisting or commissioning. +--- 57838341 +went to the Navy recruiter today. They scheduled me for MEPS for next week. +There is absolutely no where they're going to send me there and not mention my weight. I'm about 15 lbs over, and when I was speaking with the air force they wouldn't even send me to meps till I lost the weight and some other shit. +also what is the strategy for getting the rate you want? I'm not locked to 1 rate; Navy Information Systems Technician (IT) +Navy Cryptologic Technician Technical (CTT) +Cryptologic Technician – Collection (CTR) +Cryptologic Technician – Maintenance (CTM) +Cryptologic Technician – Networks (CTN) +Electronics Technician (ET) +Navy Aviation Maintenance Administrationman (AZ) +is what's on my list. he assured me at least 1 would be on there, and hopefully so. +--- 57838450 +>>57828356 +Reclass to November +--- 57838755 +>>57838341 +Choose your rate, choose your fate. Be willing to stick out for the one you really want. Navy is accepting ASVAB scores of 10 so you have all the cards. +--- 57838774 +>>57827396 (OP) +Can’t wait to go to camp Lejeune shortly +--- 57838786 +>>57838341 +Lose the weight man +--- 57839137 +Is the reverses worth it if I'm bored? Hit 30 not long ago but managed to stay in shape and just looking for something that will get me out of my city and maybe even country once in a while. Looking at either Chair Force or Army I got a 82 on the ASVAB back in HS but that was all the way back in 2011 probably be a bit worse since I haven't been in education in a long time. + +>>57837570 +They seem to be dipping into the 30-35 year old pool now, had a old from HS that is 31 and he had a recrooter trying to get him to enlist. Gonna humor one, curious about how desperate they are now and see what I could get. + +>>57838341 +>I'm about 15 lbs over, and when I was speaking with the air force they wouldn't even send me to meps till I lost the weight and some other shit. +You can water fast that off in like 2 weeks to a month, look into water fasting. +--- 57839542 +Cyberfags your time is literally numbed. The DoD is not going to let enlisted touch shit but client systems or help desk. That shit is going directly to contractors. +--- 57839735 +Nobody cares but I made it past BRC bros +--- 57839781 +>>57839542 +>tfw cyberfag on terminal leave applying to contracting positions +I'm going to take a trip to Fort Leavenworth to thank that based retard for my future job security +--- 57840190 +>>57835221 +My understanding is that you can't go airborne if you're colorblind because you can't see the difference between the red and green light. We got into airborne after having high PT scores in basic, so we kind of back doored our way in. I always assumed that's why he got away with it. +--- 57840257 +>>57831857 +Why would that matter enough to merit a post? Saturday is just another day. Are you twelve? +--- 57840302 +>>57836465 +Visit veterans forums with other vets who help vets then ask detailed questions. hadit.com was useful when I appealed my disability rating. Take advantage of those who have gone before you, be awesome then mentor your future replacements. +--- 57840331 +>>57840190 +You don't really need to see the light telling you to jump when the guy at the door is yelling "JUMP", and everyone in front of you is jumping out of the bird. If that isn't enough of a hint, you have more issues than colorblindness. +--- 57840426 +>>57839137 +Sure but goAir Force. The Army is for those who don't know any better or are driven by memes. /k/ are mostly autspergtards but even if you are, do the AF for the career potential then second career potential. Always plan for a career even if you don't anticipate one. Vesting an early retirement is the most important thing you can do in the first half of your life to make the second half suck less. This falls on deaf ears among the yungtards but that's fine because high retention slows promotions. + +Everything is about financial security, medical benefits etc. Life is about security because the world is a volcano of flaming smegma above which we walk a rotting tightrope. Early retirement is "fuck you" money after which your usable freedom is vastly increased. Piss on working to 65 then dying at 70. + +Your peers who follow their dreams off a cliff accumulate over time and that's not pretty to watch, especially the autspergies, OCD etc because that shit gets worse over time. I'm fortunately unafflicted but my damage is physical. Having that bulletproof fallback plan let me retire debt free at 47 and be a comfy cripple. +--- 57841448 +>>57840331 +I don't make the rules man +--- 57841508 +>>57841448 +>thread dead +>about to be archived +>pointless comment from a faggot to keep it alive +You FEDS aren't even subtle about it +--- 57842088 +>>57841508 +Conspiracy is comforting vs. a world of disorder so autspergies prefer that explanations which also explains religion and other superstitions. + +What really bothers you about the armed forces? + +You're here for weapons (presumably which exist for war and other infliction of violence therefore you intrinsically approve of war and violence. Delicious war gives you the toys you adore as talismans of something you will never actually do in person (wage war). War is what primates do! It's who we are as humans, PC leftarded subversive (thank the vatniks for the subversion and the entire anti-weapon polity) drivel to the contrary. + +This is a weapons board and the highest level of weapons use is modern war. You (if Burger instead of some slave) can own weapons because real men waged war against their Bong oppressors, sending shot and shell through tender pink Britfag, Hessian and Tory guts until they ran off or surrendered. The military is why the US dollar is the global reserve currency, a benefit worth many wars to maintain. While misbegotten constabulary operations of late were unwise, delicious nation-state wars are good and good for America. + +War kills Communists who want to disarm and enslave you therefore war is wonderful. War defends Europe, the core of human (not to be confused with bugs) civilization and such a magnificent example even Japan and Korea buy in. + +Contrarian shizo edgelords desperate for relevance repeat your incantations as if they were insights. They're not. You're simple and stupid. +--- 57842107 +>>57841508 +Why were you sitting in a dead thread? Does this general’s existence give you anxiety or something? +--- 57842369 +i got signals for af and i leave soon. +this is all because i read a few posts by the intel guy who shills 35n hard +thank you, intel /meg/ guy. +i’m looking forward to this chapter +--- 57842370 +>>57842107 +--- 57842481 +>there's gonna be people monitoring my activity on furfag servers that I'm in from now on +t. 1N2XX +--- 57842502 +>>57842481 +There always have been +--- 57842508 +>>57841448 +Yea, but you clearly dont even know them either. +--- 57842529 +>>57840426 +>The Army is for those who don't know any better or are driven by memes +>Everything is about financial security, medical benefits etc + +It's crazy to me that Airfags complain about the Air Force feeling like a corporation rather than a military, then turn around and say shit like this. Believe it or not, some of us joined and STAYED in the Army or the Marine because we want to fight. Someone has to do it. +--- 57842567 +>>57827396 (OP) +>Lying about medical record: GOOD +Noticed the "ymmv" has been removed. Are they not pulling prescription histories anymore? Makes sense. +--- 57842572 +Anyone know how likely it is that they discover I used to have eczema? Haven't had a prescription for anything for it in over a decade. Interested in Army but I head they take skin conditions particularly seriously. +--- 57842782 +>>57842481 +i’m going 1n2 and my recruiter literally told me there are bronies and furries in the af intel community and i thought she was overstating it. +i hope i never interact with you people +god what the fuck i even heard rumors there are directors in central intelligence that are furfags why can’t you guys be normal… +--- 57843262 +>>57836010 +How hard of a school? I got consistent good mediums, but that's not saying much. I got through nuke school, and did my six years. +Ask me anything about being a surface nuke. +--- 57843631 +>>57843262 +Advantages of surface over sub? +--- 57844299 +Is there any MOS that guarantees me a Korea duty station? +--- 57844732 +>>57844299 +Air Defense Artillery has a pretty good chance at it +--- 57844737 +>>57844299 +No, but there are MOSes that are required on every base, and if you have an MOS like 88M then you can apply to go anywhere +--- 57845360 +>>57827396 (OP) +Kinda a cautionary tale, the weakest men I've ever met in my life have been career military. Zero control over their emotions, if they're upset or angry they're taking it out on everyone else. No introspection or self criticism whatsoever. +Keep this in mind when you're planning on enlisting/commissioning, esp in combat arms. Being surrounded by faggots is a huge part of why people hate being in the military. +--- 57845517 +>>57843262 +>good mediums +I, too phone it in every time. I have no questions about being a surface nuke. +--- 57846407 +>>57827396 (OP) +Alright boys, how do I get OUT of conscription? I don't want to fight for globohomo. +Can I just say "I don't think homos, trannies, and women should be in the military, let alone in any position of command"? Please oh please... +--- 57846473 +>>57846407 +Assuming you're American, this is a tricky question because they're going to dramatically lower standards when they resort to conscription. +I think you should look at how guys avoided the draft back in Nam. Being well connected enough to get deferments, having a legit medical condition like diabetes, or simply fleeing to another country. +--- 57846596 +>>57846473 +>they're going to dramatically lower standards when they resort to conscription +Yeah, they most likely will. I think this next war is going to be the Big One. +>Being well connected enough to get deferments +Can't do that, poor straight white male in commiefornia. Plus I'm Catholic and the alphabet agencies basically have it in for us +>having a legit medical condition like diabetes +Got amnesia and executive dysfunction from a bad childhood but no way to prove it without insurance, at least not yet. Not sure that would count either +>or simply fleeing to another country +Could work, but where? It's not like it was in the 60s; most countries are globalist now and will be fighting each other to set the stage for the NWO +Worst case scenario I can try to be a conscientious objector, right? (Doubt that'll work either.) +--- 57847595 +Is ET for the navy a good rate? What’s it like? I’m not sure what else is interesting to me either +--- 57847600 +>>57846407 +Is your power fantasy one that involves you draft dodging? Men dream of building monumental structures or performing memorable altruistic acts, but your big dream is to give the middle finger to a recruiter in a scenario that is never going to happen? Reminds me of the preppers that were convinced NATO soldiers sent by Obama were going to roll up and seize all of their hoarded .22 and buckets of freeze-dried mac and cheese. +--- 57847848 +>>57843631 +Surface: You get heavily restricted internet access, and censored emails +Get to see the sun, if you like that kind of thing +Guaranteed your own rack, and probably a locker. Subs may make you share a rack with one or two other people, depending on the type of sub, and manning. Not terrible if your rackmates are hygienic, but not as good as having your own +More room, you can work out in the hangar bay, run on the flight deck (when not launching planes) +More ports of call (in theory, not necessarily in practice) +Probably more time off. Depending on your job, I heard of some topsiders getting 8 section duty, or better. Nukes get 3 or 4, like many subs. Some subs get 2 section (Port and Starboards) +Frequent mail delivery. You can order Amazon packages to the ship, it just takes months for them to arrive sometimes. Just pack what you need, don't order hundreds of pounds of shit in the mail + +Sub: Better food. They have cooks specifically sent to subs for morale. Includes a deep fryer +No useless people. Carriers can get away with people who skate off the entire day, subs can't +No stealing, if you find a thief, they get fucked up. This also negates the need for locks +Air conditioning, a friend said that temperature in the engine room never went above 69F +Cool submarine sweaters. Once you get your subsurface warfare, you get to wear a nice sweater to keep warm +Maintenance is usually deferred until you pull in, a lot cannot be done at sea +No smoking at all on subs. Smokeless tobacco is fine, but no place smells like an ash tray + +Subs usually have longer hours, but the community seems great. I heard about it from a few submariners who got surfaced, and it makes me wish I went subs. Grass is always greener. I'd probably bitch about being on a sub too, though. + +If you're not a huge people person, and you can deal with more work, subs have some good advantages. I think the worst part of the carrier was the awful food, and heat. +Any specific questions? +--- 57848108 +>>57847600 +>Is your power fantasy one that involves you draft dodging? +Is this projection? This isn't a power fantasy for me, more like a contingency plan for if and when globohomo stages another world conflict. What, you don't know they started the last two? Good grief... +I do of course dream of glorious, altruistic acts, but there is no altruism in fighting an unjust war for globohomo. If you think any desire you don't understand is held due to a power fantasy then I feel sorry for you. +--- 57848312 +>>57848108 +No, it sounds like your power fantasy. Here, let me write it out so you can see how stupid you appear to others + +>be me +>war were declared +>military needs more people, specifically pure huwites like me because the darkies and women all dodged the draft because they are sub-human +>the military sends three generals to my door, willing to make an concession so that I will join +>I make them get on their knees and apologize for repealing DADT, allowing non-whites to serve, and not nuking Israel +>then I laugh and tell them I won’t join anyway, giving them a big fat middle finger +>I slam my mom’s front door in their face, then go back on 4chan and write this greentext about dodging the draft, just like the people I don’t like did +>America loses the war because I refused to fight for them, specifically me and only me +>????? +>profit! +--- 57848385 +Dropping a packet for naval aviator. +ASTBE was 66, 8,6,7. + +Wish me luck bros. +--- 57849413 +>>57827396 (OP) +Will the Navy give me a waiver for ADHD after 1 year? +--- 57849446 +>>57846407 +Just take adhd and anxiety medication they'll hand that shit out like candy. +Considering how mentally illness/disorders are frowned down upon, to the military straight up not allowing those with those issues to join, you'll be fine. +If all else fails just gain a fuck ton of weight. +Or just pray that you wont be drafted +--- 57849682 +Can I take the dlab test for the navy before swearing in to something? I’m interested in CTI but if I can’t get it then I’m not sure I’d want to go + +Anyone have advice for the DLAB? +--- 57849800 +I’m 30. I’ve spent the last 5 years as a college administrator. I also have a bachelor’s degree and a master’s degree. I’ll spare you the details about what I did in between the degrees and becoming an administrator. + +My question is simple. How much of a mistake would it be to enlist with my education and work experience? I’m in good not great shape, so as much as I want to consider an 18x contract, I’m not ready for that. +--- 57849819 +>>57849800 +What’s your long-term goal by enlisting? You need to lay out where you see yourself 5 years AFTER you finish your ADSO +--- 57849930 +>>57849819 +I want to run for elected office but plans b and c are returning to the university either in the law program or as an administrator again. +--- 57850604 +XIR! YES XIR! + +https://www.ndtv.com/feature/us-marines-told-to-stop-using-sir-maam-for-superiors-report-3631833 +--- 57851934 +>>57850604 +THEY/THEM YES THEY/THEM + +Shocked how it's the marines of all branches caving to this. +--- 57852318 +>>57850604 +>>57851934 +kys, chang +--- 57852659 +>>57848312 +>>be me +>>war were declared +Ok, I follow +>>the military sends three generals to my door, willing to make an concession so that I will join +>>I make them get on their knees and apologize for repealing DADT, allowing non-whites to serve, and not nuking Israel +>>then I laugh and tell them I won’t join anyway, giving them a big fat middle finger +>>I slam my mom’s front door in their face, then go back on 4chan and write this greentext about dodging the draft, just like the people I don’t like did +>>America loses the war because I refused to fight for them, specifically me and only me +>>????? +>>profit! +Not sure where I came up with this. Sounds more like the piss-poor rambling of some contrarian idiot on Reddit. They put something in those rations to make you a plebbitor? +--- 57852856 +>>57851934 +That's because you're a pathetic neverserve that doesn't know anything. +--- 57853110 +>>57852856 +this dudes still coping lmao +--- 57853136 +>>57853110 +Are you serving namefag? +--- 57853157 +>>57853136 +let me finish college first mf. +--- 57853202 +>>57842088 +tl;dr +>>57842107 +I've browsed the board enough to know these recrootment generals are always on life support. If i could openly speak about my shit experience in the military, maybe I'd tolerate these off topic threads a bit more. Seeing as how it's finally the weekend, I anticipate the thread will be archived since you FEDS are off. Come Sunday evening, this shit general will be back up. +--- 57853224 +>>57853157 +>imagine wanting to join today's military with a degree +Anon... +--- 57853243 +>>57853224 +well im sorry that getting a shot at an air force pilot slot requires a bachelors. +--- 57853307 +>>57853243 +>wants to be pilot +>Chair Force +Good job reinforcing the point that degrees do not equate to having intelligence. Why do you even come to these threads, neverserve? +--- 57853534 +>>57853243 +Marine pilot here. Don't listen to >>57853307 go Coast Guard. Air Force close 2nd. +--- 57853603 +>>57853534 +>Marine pilot here. +lol +>go Coast Guard. Air Force close 2nd. +I agree neverserve anon, go CG or Chair Force if you want to be a pilot lmao +--- 57854921 +>>57853202 +Nobody is stopping or censoring your posts. If you mean you want to whine without people shitting on you and insulting your mother… do you even know where you are? It sounds to me like you want to complain and have people agree with you, and this just isn’t the place for that. Go to your local American Legion, which you should have access to if you aren’t a larping non-serve +--- 57854930 +>>57852659 +Why don’t you greentext how this fantasy goes in your head then? Or are you going to back down because you know how silly you sound when you say it out loud? +--- 57855053 +>>57842107 +--- 57855097 +>>57854921 +Jesus fuck, (You) expect me to read all your dribble? Let me sum it up for you; the military is shit if: you have potential, your skin color is any shade of not-shit-skin, you have an iota of patriotism. Join to get your bennies and be a welfare queen, but let's not pretend anyone should sign up defend this country or better themselves. The military is glorified welfare plan. +--- 57855112 +>>57855097 +Cool, so now that you got that out of your system, what’s next? +--- 57855141 +Scored a 96 on the ASVAB and couldn't fucking get those retarded mouthbreathers to leave me the fuck alone. +How does it feel that you retards literally practice for that shit and still won't be showered in retarded handouts because they know they have you by the fucking balls? +Feel good, retard? Real good to absolutely beg to become a fucking pissed-on and shit-eating veteran retard? +Glorify your undoing harder, dumbfuck. I'll be over here, ignoring recruiter mailspam and leading coldcallers on while you scrape your nuts through glass to suck farts out of 26 year old retard assholes who get off on your subordination. + +Fuck's sake. +--- 57855165 +>>57855141 +Why did you take the asvab in the first place if you weren't interested in joining +--- 57855166 +>>57855112 +>responding right away +>denies nothing +Tell me, FED, does it annoy (You) that the not-shit-skins perform better than you? +--- 57855179 +>>57855165 +You are such a fucking retard. +--- 57855180 +>>57855166 +Why are you avoiding the question? You came here to complain, you did so, so… what’s next? +--- 57855190 +>>57855141 +>Scored a 96 on the ASVAB +Imagine being too retarded to score a 99 +--- 57855216 +>>57855180 +>Why are you avoiding the question? +Idk or care what (You) asked, poop skin. Waste of oxygen +--- 57855223 +>>57855190 +You're so retarded you think that posting this is going to insult that guy, who thought you were retarded, and proving you are too retarded to read the rest of his post to get his point. +--- 57855225 +>>57855165 +He didn’t think that far into his larp +--- 57855231 +>>57855225 +Everyone's fucking required to take the ASVAB in most American highschools, retard. +--- 57855249 +>>57855223 +>tl;dr +Seething sub 99 ASVAB monkey lmao +--- 57855266 +>>57855249 +>meme-riddled babble +14 year old Mexican. Guaranteed. +Go suck more Gokock. +--- 57855272 +>>57855231 +So you’re admitting to be underaged? Nice +--- 57855282 +>>57855231 +>thinks he will be able to dodge the draft +>can’t even dodge the ASVAB +NGMI +--- 57855295 +>>57855272 +>what is the passage of time???? +I don't blog every fucking waking moment into my phone, unlike some of these fucking retards. +>>57855282 +You've lost sight, SOLDIER!!!!!! of the point. +--- 57855311 +>>57855295 +So when did you take the ASVAB that you shat out an entire paragraph about? +--- 57855386 +>>57855266 +>t. Bulbasaur +Lucky for (You), subhuman, calling out monkeys is an auto-ban in these off-topic generals. Washington, forbid, we call out all the shit skins that make modern military, oh, so enjoyable. Verification not required +--- 57855392 +>>57855311 +Lol he ran away because he knows he either +>admits to being under 18 and gets banned (again) +>admits he is still seething about something that happened many years ago that the rest of us don’t even remember + +What a sad waste of a human being. +--- 57855467 +>>57836346 +those are airforce blues -- their standard dress uniform +--- 57855733 +>>57855231 +My parents loved me so I didn't attend public school shooting ranges when I was your age +--- 57855993 +>>57850604 +Given what I've seen, not fucking likely. +--- 57856053 +>>57827396 (OP) +I am going to get a job as a logistician in a European military, but the ones with the ground forces and airforce are already filled. There is a job left at the navy but I don't like boats nor the navy. +Should I wait a year to apply for the army/airforce or just go ahead and join the navy +--- 57856996 +>>57827396 (OP) +Once again checking to see if any of my fellow retards are leaving on the 17th from Seattle for Fort Jackson + +>68W Supremacy +--- 57857272 +>>57849930 +You have a graduate level education. You need to commission if you want to have a real shot at getting into politics. +--- 57857596 +Hey /meg/ redpill me on 19K (M1 Armor Crewman) +--- 57857631 +/meg/bros, just got the result for one of the officer exams today aaaand i failed + +Another year of listening to dumb shits in university that do not help me in any ways, another year of doing things i don't like, FUCK +--- 57857933 +anybody know the usaf leaker's AFSC? +--- 57858008 +>>57827396 (OP) +I took the PiCAT but didn’t capitalize and take the verification at MEPS. How does the ASVAB compare in difficulty? My only issue is urgency when testing, I start losing focus at some point. +--- 57858061 +>>57849682 +read up on grammar and how different languages structure their sentences. I believe that’s what the test consists of. I never took it, plus by me replying someone will feel the need to provide correct info. How do you pick a language for CTI? I thought of it before +--- 57858325 +whoever needs this join the AF trust me +--- 57858452 +>>57858414 +It was destiny. That hole was made for him. +--- 57859659 +What will my options look like if I fail out of DLI and have to reclass? Will they make any particular effort to make use of my security clearance? +--- 57859696 +>>57859659 +>Will they make any particular effort to make use of my security clearance? +--- 57859754 +>>57837570 +What does your skin health have to do with the rest of your post? +--- 57859757 +>>57859659 +>What will my options look like if I fail out of DLI and have to reclass? +SFS, 1s, 2s, and any other job that people don't want to do. +--- 57860547 +>recruiter said my test results make me competitive for the USSF +What do I do with this information? +--- 57860588 +>>57860547 +That means you can go into Intel +--- 57860615 +>>57827396 (OP) +I miss it bros +--- 57860654 +>>57860615 +Nice, I just did eib. Bout to go to school. Should be fun. +--- 57860671 +any good reads / films / videos to educate myself on self-defense, becoming a dedicated warrior so i never have to fear walking on a street? +--- 57860672 +Memes aside how many trannies are actually present in the Army/Guard and how does that work with dress/grooming regulations. Are they even deployable? +--- 57860679 +>>57860654 +Enjoy dude. It honestly wasn't really that bad desu. My issue was land navigation but figured it out in no time and didnt have to repeat anything. But it's my most prized medal I have. +And to be honest, that's pretty awesome you're doing it. Just study hard as fuck. Something I should have done more (2008) +--- 57861001 +>>57859757 +Forgive my retardation, what do you mean by 1s and 2s? +--- 57861483 +Hey guys, stupid question: +Should I tell the doctor at meps that I have seasonal allergies? If I do, what’ll happen (if anything)? I need to take anti histamines and anti nasal blockers to be able to breathe through my nose. + +Thanks. +--- 57861552 +>normal part of me wants to reclass and then move on with my life +>retarded part of me will always want to stay infantry +>can't make the retarded part listen to the normal part +AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA +--- 57861591 +>>57861483 +Don't say anything. Literally nothing at all + They try and scare you with fines, blah blah blah. I had 3 dudes stand up at Ft. Jackson where I went for MEPS and they all lost out. Pretty much everyone in there has some shit. Lie, lie, lie. I mean unless your some unhinged mother fucker then you probably didn't even make it pass thr paperwork at your recruitment office lol. But don't mention it. +Here's what will happen: +>probably spend first night in motel or barracks +>wake up to bus +>blood work +>hearing +>duck walk +>weight and height +>spread ass cheeks +>pass or fail +Sure I forgot some but you get my point and you're going to wait in line for 2-3 hours each test lol. ENJOY!!! +--- 57861618 +>>57861591 +Appreciate it bud. +--- 57861631 +>>57861483 +Forgot to add they take people who believe they can change genders (mentally deranged) so I mean if seasonal allergies are the worst you have I'm sure you're fine but I'd still lie about it if you can survive basic. +What branch and what MOS? +--- 57861652 +>>57857631 +You must be a foreigner where they have higher standards for officers because in the US they let dumbasses like me do it. I'd still wager you're pretty dumb though. +--- 57861676 +>>57861618 +Yeah man don't worry about it. You'll be alright +--- 57861757 +>>57861552 +Why not just leave? When my shit was up I'd seen enough lol and this is peak Afghanistan fighting at my 2nd tour at my veeeeeerrrrry cozy COP(s). If you change don't you have to go through MEPS again, though? +But again, do you want to make a career out of it? How long have you been in? +--- 57861844 +>>57861001 +1 and 2 afscs are tip of the spear. +--- 57862194 +>>57860672 +post moar ass ketchup +--- 57862204 +>>57861631 +>brings up trannies out of nowhere + +RENT FREE +--- 57862309 +>>57861844 +>reclassing into logistics +pls no +--- 57862657 +>>57862204 +They do, though? So the fact just warned a young man about what lies ahead is something that is rent free in my head? Lol +--- 57862823 +>>57832836 +Can anyone answer this? +--- 57863595 +>>57860672 +Amount varies by MOS. Everything depends on if your ID says M or F. +They're deployable as support, but any meds they're taking aren't guaranteed in a warzone and they'll likely be discharged. But we're in peacetime so no one cares. +--- 57863652 +>>57827396 (OP) +It sucks I wanted to join the chair force , my scores were pretty good and then at 17 I got type 1 diabetes. +--- 57864189 +>>57863652 +I got cold urticaria before I got to submit an OCS packet. I guess some things aren’t meant to be. +--- 57865131 +Even when recruiters aren't lying to me they are slimy. +--- 57865215 +How bad is Sill? I’m going in May +--- 57865476 +>>57865215 +If it's for basic then it's good that you won't be there when it's cold as shit but you'll be there when it's hot as fuck. It's also nearly all flat in Oklahoma so it'll be windy too. +--- 57866311 +>>57842782 +Kek you haven’t heard of the furfag at Keesler AFB that got fur suits banned on base? +--- 57866463 +>>57866311 +Story? +--- 57866494 +>>57849682 +>he wants to be a linguist +>he wants to be a linguist in the NAVY +Oh no, hahahaha +--- 57866681 +>>57866463 +Nothing special. A tech schooler airman wore his fur suit everywhere, including to squadron functions at the in front of the fish bowl, against MTL wishes. His way of thinking was that squadron mascot costumes were also fur suits, so his should be allowed. Enough people bitched and then recently the base commander made it official that squadron mascots are the only allowed type of “fur suits” on base. +--- 57866705 +>>57862657 +Bro you live in a country filled with trannies +--- 57866716 +>>57866681 +Kek. Based fur chads +--- 57866718 +>>57828958 +Only Ukrainian shill faggots are mods in K anymore. Place is beyond fucked. +--- 57866793 +>>57866718 +So why are you still here? I would stop going to a bar if it became a gay bar +--- 57866817 +>>57866793 +>doesn't deny anons point +Either you came here after the bar became gay or you're lying and are content with your bar turning gay. Dumbass. +--- 57866835 +>>57866817 +What am I supposed to be denying here? If you think this place is like a gay bar and you keeping coming in, I can only draw one conclusion about you +--- 57866885 +>57866835 +>continues to deflect +Whatever (You) say. No more for you, shill. +--- 57866929 +>>57866885 +I’m just telling you what I think. Nothing you say or do will influence my opinion because I’m not easily swayed by anonymous 4chan users, unlike yourself. +--- 57867046 +>57866929 +>still responding +Sure (You) aren't. Lol +--- 57867090 +>>57867046 +>wah wah stop bullying me! Stop btfoing me on the internet! + +You come to a place you don’t like full of people you hate to get mistreated by them. Reply to me in any form if you’re gay. +--- 57867119 +>57867090 +>still responding +Lol +--- 57867134 +>>57866705 +>he lives on a planet filled with trannies +--- 57867143 +>>57867119 +You know, you never told us when you took the ASVAB +--- 57867155 +>57867143 +Do you think all anons that disagree with you are 1 person? +--- 57867174 +>>57867155 +What disagreement are you referring to? +--- 57867184 +>57867174 +Why bring up ASVAB? Schizo +--- 57867192 +>>57867184 +You would be a very interesting person to torture. If the world was as bleak as you think it is, we would find out +--- 57867199 +>57867192 +>she's moved onto projection +--- 57867213 +>>57867199 +Your response times adjusted rapidly when you felt like you were being accused of being “the one troll”. I wonder what a different person would have said in response to my ASVAB question. +--- 57867241 +>57867213 +Whatever (You) say anon. You sound more schizophrenic with every reply. +--- 57867300 +>>57867241 +You stayed up past your bedtime to spend hours talking to a stranger on the internet. You aren’t the winner here. I’ll talk to you tomorrow if I’m bored, because we both know that all of the shitposting in these threads is just you, me, and me pretending to be you. +--- 57867390 +>>57861757 +A bit under 5 years. I'm trying to take advantage of the military by getting some certs, experience, and a TS clearance before I fuck off to the civilian world but part of me will always be pissed about thr fact that I never did anything while in the infantry except mop a motor pool in my shitty ABCT. +--- 57867672 +>>57828787 +There is a certain percentage of allowed when it comes to Sickle cell aniema, if the guy had it it would have shown on the blood test unless the testing materials were bad. I was let go for being over the hemoglobin limit by .4%. If that guy didn't have red tags he probably only had the trait instead of the actual disease. +--- 57869020 +>>57867672 +Good info to pass along. Damn shame that you were let go over something so small. +--- 57869098 +>>57862194 +She has a Twitter y'know. +>>57863595 +That's fair I suppose. I can only imagine the paperwork though. +--- 57869122 +Alright so fellas, let's say someone hypothetically fractured one of their vertebrae in the past, but they didn't end up in a wheelchair. On a scale from 1-10, how fucked are they if they try and commission in the National Guard? +--- 57869148 +>>57869098 +She cute +--- 57869165 +>>57869098 +who is this? +--- 57869206 +>>57869098 +That nigga has been on my mind. No cap, I been thinking about that time when I barebacked him raw on the center console of a Humvee in Fort Hood. That shit had to be the whitest, tightest, wettest bussy I've ever laid pipe into. I swear to God, the most heavenly high is gargling that wonderboy's toes while going balls deep into his shitter. I had Ketchum screaming in the sheets with ass eating too ridiculous to ignore. That nigga frotted my cock until he busted on my chest, I had to return the favor. That nigga Alex and I been fucking non-stop ever since, but keep that shit on the DL. He does that shit for free. If you're gonna ask me how to "long" Ketchum, I'll be deadass. All you gotta do is ask, be straight up, and get physical real quick. Touch his booty, get him on his knees, talk your shit. He doesn't play around with no pansy-ass niggas either. He likes his men manly, and his dick thick. Dark skin, 6'7 is the minimum and I ain't talking about height boy. + +That nigga Alex Ketchum stole my heart and drank my seed. +--- 57869324 +>>57856053 +please anons answer me +--- 57869339 +>>57869324 +Which military anon? +--- 57869346 +>>57869339 +netherlands +--- 57869371 +Easiest army to get into Don't need to have a PR or something like that)? from a commonwealth country, I'm skinny as fuck, 18.8 BMI. +thinking of french foreign legion but that sounds impossible. russian army = low pay. Doubt the UK army would want me though +--- 57869493 +>>57869371 +Getting into the British Army isn't really that monumental a task anon, especially since you're already from a commonwealth nation. What role were you thinking of? +--- 57869586 +>>57869493 +hey man. +>What role were you thinking of? +infantry soldier is my first and preferred choice, and I'm open to our roles as well, as long as it's not confined in a base. +From what I know they've 'closed' applicants from the commonwealth for years now. I feel like its never going to be my turn considering how many people from africa and the pacific apply to it each year. +--- 57869630 +>>57827396 (OP) +When will USMC realise that poolacks are the true enemy of America +--- 57869781 +>>57869206 +Go jack off in the portoshitter and get back to work +--- 57869901 +>>57869346 +:| +--- 57869921 +Saturday duty day makes the whole weekend disappear because I have the spend all of Sunday catching up on the sleep I didn't get during my shitty 24 hr watch. +--- 57869981 +>>57869921 +what country you live in that has 24 hour duties lmao +--- 57870010 +>>57869981 +24 hour duty day is normal. But lazy cunts who keep calling in sick coupled with other people on leave means that I had to man the watch for the entire 24 hour period. I cheated a little bit and ate food and brought my vape but that was still awful especially now that I can't enjoy my Sunday because I all have the enemy to do right now is lay in bed and look at my phone. If I fall asleep now then I fuck myself over on Monday. +--- 57870018 +>>57870010 +>because I all have the enemy +*because I don't have the energy +Brain is sputtering out +--- 57870044 +>>57870018 +Because all I have the energy to do* +Sorry you got fucked over anon +--- 57870091 +>>57869981 +American staff duty is typically 2-3 people doing a 24hr shift and getting the next 24 off to recover. So often each man gets a few hours of sleep while the other two guard. + +So the best day is thursday for a 3 day weekend while the worst is saturday and get sunday as the recovery. +--- 57871460 +>trying to enlist in Army +>still testing positive for marijuana 35 days after I quit + +I feel like my recruiter is lowkey pissed at me +--- 57872128 +>>57871460 +Marijuana is fat soluble. It takes a long time to get it out of your system. +I would be pissed too, if I was a recruiter. +--- 57872555 +How many miles of walking do you do per day at SFAS and rasp? +--- 57872625 +>57872555 +Why do you ask stupid queations just to keep this retard thread alive, dumbass recrooter. +--- 57872664 +>>57872555 +A lot +--- 57872840 +>>57872128 +:( + +It's been 35 days since I last took an edible, and 45 days since I last smoked. +--- 57872971 +>>57872840 +Then exercise you lazy idiot. If you were a chronic uesr, and it sounds like you were, then it's going to take closer to 3 months to completely leave your system, especially if you're fat or not doing anything to expedite the process. diff --git a/k/57834081.txt b/k/57834081.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..de11cc79c5f8c7fcc8e68c0dc177f0839174a258 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57834081.txt @@ -0,0 +1,327 @@ +----- +--- 57834081 +$3000 for a bulged barrel: edition +--- 57835389 +>>57834081 (OP) +I found out this company was making 10 round magazines for Mosin Nagants that just replaced the existing magazine endpiece and required no permanent alterations to the gun. + +Then I found out that I guess they went out of business years ago. +--- 57838594 +My first two milsurp guns have been pistols. I really want a rifle... +--- 57840122 +I got to play with some milsurp today. It felt complicated inside when you rack the slide. A lot of moving parts. Really nice trigger tho +--- 57841560 +Good evening niggas +--- 57841601 +>>57841560 +There were times I wondered if you ever slept from all the 24/7 posting you used to do here. +--- 57841609 +>>57841601 +I have a 4mo daughter. I haven't slept once this year. + +But yeah, the mobile IP ban makes posting during my many hours away from home difficult. +--- 57841665 +>>57841609 +Chan must hate Detroit. Granted the great ip range ban of 20-21 made me fall off for awhile. +--- 57841946 +>>57841665 +It's not just Detroit. PA, KY, FL, OH... every single state I've been in. Mobile IPs banned, every board. +--- 57841963 +>>57829325 → +Did you get on a waitlist from Starline directly or some other retailer? +--- 57841984 +>>57840122 +>G43 +Nice, I've been looking for a qve45 K43 for a little bit now. I got the chance to take one apart a few years back and really like the bolt mechanism, even if it's not the best. Hopefully, I find an unaltered matching one this year. +--- 57842075 +>tripfag spam +yep no wonder the last one got autosaged after 200 posts +--- 57842097 +>>57841963 +Yes. Starline, Buffalo arms, grafs. Probably other places. +--- 57842122 +>>57842075 +It's called a conversation noguns. +--- 57842206 +>>57842097 +Alright, looks like I'm getting on some waitlists for some then. I don't need 250 cases, I think 50-100 cases would suffice for my M1871 Rolling Block. Otherwise, I might try reforming .348 Win brass since there was some at the local gun show. +--- 57842504 +>>57841984 +That one was all matching according to the listing. Dude paid a little over 4k for it. I wish I had time and permission to take it apart, it would've been fun getting all that open. +--- 57842827 +>>57834081 (OP) +thats a bsap stamped rhodie webley mkiv. +worth? +--- 57844957 +>>57842504 +They're a bit unique to get apart but most people do at least take the bolt carrier group apart just to confirm that it matches to the rifle. The bolt components are electropenciled to match which is something rather unique to Gewehr 43s. Who was the manufacturer on that one, Walther or Berlin Lübecker Maschinenfabrik? +--- 57845675 +Coolest pre-WW2 .32 acp gun? Best sights? Most reliable? +Pic potentially related but I would like to know more +--- 57846272 +>>57845675 +While really cool, I prefer a different FN +--- 57846284 +>>57845675 +Pretty much all pre war .32 pistols are blowback. There are some mechanical oddities though. None of them have that great of sights which is typical of handguns of the era anyways. My FN1900 is a very reliable gun, but my favorite remains my Langenhan which is basically a 1900 clone. The langenhan has a very nice trigger even by today's standards, very nice gun to shoot. + +Among others my Sauer 1913 is decent, my Bayard pocket .32 is fun to shoot but the magazine and release are horrendous. My Beretta 1934 is a commercial post war but I find it very meh despite me being a huge Beretta fan. I also think the Walther PP is a very eh gun. Good enough in single action, the double action trigger is among the worst I've ever fired, I consider the double action on my Enfield no2mk1* to have a better trigger than it +--- 57846313 +>>57846272 +Nice kingdom of Yugoslavia 1922. I like mine, surprised I got it so cheap. People pay premium for the nazi knew despite them being the most boring of the military contract M1922s. I got a copy of the new FN Browning pistols book, I was surprised how many contracts they got on them beyond the common Dutch, Yugo, Nazi ones that are easy to find in the US. +--- 57846746 +>>57845675 +Daily reminder that 32 acp euroguns just arent worth it any more with ammo at $0.60/rd +--- 57847166 +>>57846746 +I don't care about that, plus I shoot mostly milsurp rifles so 60cpr sounds cheap to me +--- 57847277 +>>57846746 +40cpr from SGAmmo and I got it in person shockingly at Scheels at that. Still way more than it has any right to cost, but it's settled around $20 a box. +--- 57849669 +>>57841946 +>SAA repro +Who made that one? Or is it a later gen Colt? +--- 57849987 +what's the cheapest i can get a webley that i can actually shoot? +--- 57850117 +>>57849987 +$3000, the barrel is bulged tho +--- 57852111 +>>57849669 +It's a Uberti repro. 3 click hammer unfortunately but I'll get the 4 click soon enough. +--- 57852900 +>>57852111 +I figured the closest I'll get to a US martial SAA is a repro though I'd like one with a 4 click hammer that can handle smokeless loads without issue. Need one to go with my trapdoor. +--- 57853934 +>>57852900 +The Uberti handle smokeless just fine, you can add a 4 click hammer for around $85. Considering the Uberti was under $500 shipped, I'll call there good. +--- 57853943 +>>57849987 +$200 >>57845696 → +--- 57856418 +>>57846746 +Vz.61 SBR says otherwise. +--- 57856649 +>>57846746 +.32acp was never cheap. +--- 57858650 +>>57840122 +>>57842504 +How the krauts went from fielding one of the simplest and robust bolt actions ever made that was so good most bolt actions to come after are based on the 98 action, then went turbo autism on autoloaders and came up with some of the most pointlessly complex designs for no reason. +--- 57859728 +>>57858650 +Well, you have to remember that the Mauser 98 action went through almost a decade of iteration and improvement starting with the Model 1889 and done in peacetime with no massive conflicts. It's also not a simple rifle to make, there's a lot of machining operations done on that receiver and bolt to make it function as it does. In contrast, development for the Gewehr 41 started in earnest in 1938 with the first prototypes complete in 1939, when war had already broke out. Semi auto rifles were still a relatively untested field in the 1930s so a lot of ideas had yet to be proven superior to others. The flap locking system worked well in the DP27 MGs and the patents on it had already expired so it was a logical choice to try out in a semi auto rifle for Walther. The first rifles for trials were made in the spring of 1941 and with the start of Operation Barbarossa, German industry was becoming strained trying to keep up with the demands of the Wehrmacht. The kneecapping requirements originally set out by the HWA didn't help either for the Gewehr 41 with trials beginning for the 2 rifles late in 1941. Experience with the SVT necessitated that the gas system be redesigned as well as the exorbitant cost and time involved in producing G41s with the first Gewehr 43 prototype submitted for testing in January of '43. The G43 was designed and significantly simplified the receiver and some of the bolt components, and wouldn't enter serial production until October of 1943. When you really get down into the weeds, the development for the G43 was extremely short compared to the Mauser 98 and done under a wartime environment that was becoming worse as time dragged on. It worked and the demands for better weaponry on the front significantly expedited all new wartime designs, even if they hadn't been perfected. +--- 57860314 +I went to a gunshow today and wonder of wonders they actually had a good selection of surps. +a bunch of interesting mauseroids from persia and south america along with the usual suspects, along some hakims, arisakas and a destroyer carbine +I ended up picking up a berthier becuase I didn't want another mauseroid to add to my gorwing collection of mauseroids +--- 57860339 +>>57858650 +flag_de +also the mauser action isn't exactly SIMPLE, it was just that good. It wasn't so complex that it couldn't be produced in numbers by the germans, but the greeks and serbians definitely had trouble keeping up +for a good enough dead simple bolt action rifle you should really be taking something like the carcano as your benchmark +--- 57860349 +>>57860339 +>>57858650 +also, for an example of something that is both overly complex and not great +well the mosin is right there +--- 57861583 +Are non-matching numbers a dealbreaker? +--- 57861613 +>>57861583 +Depends. On a common gun yes, on something that you see pop up for sale once every 3 years less so +--- 57861621 +>>57861583 +For me personally it all depends on the relative rarity and asking price of the firearm. +>pic related +--- 57862489 +>>57861583 +I like the reciver, bolt, and barrel to match. Other than that not much. +--- 57862980 +>>57861583 +yes +--- 57863187 +>>57861583 +Depends on the price and what you plan on doing with it. +I bought a few cheap non matching guns to shoot them. +--- 57863240 +>>57861583 +I prefer the receiver and bolt match since they tend to perform better when they do, but normally it isn't a dealbreaker if the price is right. + +Pic rel is a turbo mixmaster Czech Brazilian contract but I paid barely $200 for it. +--- 57863275 +Dude tried to tell me 3700 for a SVT-40 in decent but not great shape and a broken hand guard was a good fucking deal. +Wouldn't shut up about the no import mark. and the all matching numbers. But would not let me take it down to inspect. +And went on and on about how it was taken by a GI who took it from a dead german. +And then he threatened me and the gun store owner. +he also wanted around 3,000 for a 1937 k98. +WTF is wrong with people? +I'm fucking done meeting people to buy guns. +--- 57863914 +>>57863275 +They see outrageous auctions online that are probably fake and think that's what they got. +--- 57863958 +>>57863914 +He probably is behind some of them. +He claimed he would sell it for 4,000 on gunbroker and he kept wanting to bet me money. +--- 57864013 +>>57863958 +Should have asked him why the fuck he was wasting his time with you then. +--- 57864059 +>>57861583 +No because I’m not a faggot. I honestly think it’s a little funny when none of the numbers on my gun match +--- 57864085 +>>57864013 +Oh don't worry, that was brought up. +He was a very fucking weird man, kept saying shit about how he had autism. +And not the cool kind. +And kept telling me to read a book. +At least the gun store owner is a cool guy. +He sold me a still packed in cosmoline m48a for 350 last week. +--- 57864279 +>>57861583 +No, but I'm not going to pay matching number prices. +--- 57864335 +>>57864059 +I love my mish mashed vz. 24 that's had 2 different rack numbers on it. +--- 57864343 +>>57864279 +Yeah, they go through the roof. +Saw a 91/59 for 950 bucks. but the non matching one next to it, they only wanted 500 for it. +Magical numbers sometimes. +--- 57864378 +>>57859728 +I see Ian browses the board. Love your vids bud. +--- 57864393 +>>57864378 +That's not Ian. I'm Ian. +--- 57864421 +>>57864393 +I don't believe you. + +Why didn't they just copy the M1 Garand then? +--- 57864453 +>>57861583 +Some types of vet bring backs won't match. Bolts were thrown in a pile separate from the rifles. +--- 57864468 +>>57864421 +Okay, you caught me. +I'm othais from C&R arsenal. +--- 57864495 +>>57864468 +No you aren't. Othais doesn't shit at this time of night. +--- 57864514 +>>57864468 +How come you never shoot. +--- 57864530 +>>57864495 +Oh shit, I've been caught again. +Dammit. +I WAS BRUNO THIS WHOLE TIME! +>>57864514 +Well duh... +She cute. +--- 57864715 +>>57864530 +>I WAS BRUNO THIS WHOLE TIME! +Then you owe me $50. +--- 57864784 +>>57864715 +How about I pay you in technical animations? +--- 57864815 +>>57841946 +That’s weird cause I work in KY and browse/poast on here from time to time and have never had a problem with it +--- 57864823 +>>57864815 +Most of Kansas and oklahoma is blocked too. +--- 57866343 +>>57864378 +Not Ian, just someone decently well read on German small arms for WWII. I'd love to get myself both a G41 and a K43 one of these days. +--- 57866730 +>>57864378 +Ian actually hates /k/ because of how autistic people are here, as the constant misinfo and shitflinging. +--- 57866738 +>>57866730 +*as well as, fuckin phoneposting +--- 57866756 +How old does a Mosin-Nagant need to be for antique no FFL needed status? Thx +--- 57866797 +>>57866756 +C&R rifles need to be 50 years old, so anything made before 1973 is a C&R as long as it doesnt violate NFA +--- 57866807 +>>57840122 +My cope for not having the G43 is having a hakim +--- 57866864 +>>57866756 +December 31st 1898 is the last day of manufacture that would be considered "antique" under US law. +--- 57867593 +>>57866756 +I don't know the answer, but I got ahold of a nugget the other day and I'm pretty happy about it. It's a basic Tula 91/30 and was manufactured in 1931. + +I think its pretty cool that I have a rifle that was built 92 years ago that still functions. Out of all the guns I have, it is also the one that has the highest chance of having been used to take a life. + +I bought a front sight adjustment tool so I can resight it without the bayonet, probably going to head up to the shooting spot and do that next week. +--- 57867938 +Where can I get genuine bong milsurp? I never got issued a few things that I kind of want now as a civilian. +--- 57867953 +I've been looking on ebay, but it's all stock images, so it could well be that it's just chink shit. +--- 57867979 +>>57867938 +IMA have stuff that they say is original, but that stuff may be too old for what you're looking for. + +https://www.ima-usa.com/collections/british-militaria +--- 57868916 +>>57861583 +Not for rifles, for me at least. Now if it's pistols, then it can mean the difference between a functioning pistol and a fancy paperweight, especially for the WWI semi autos. +>>57863275 +SVT-40s have exploded in price the last couple years, glad I got mine for $1200 when I did. +--- 57869174 +>>57867979 +Do not buy from IMA. +--- 57869420 +>>57869174 +Sheer curiosity why? Granted the only thing I bought from them was Austrian bayonets since they were 40% cheaper than everyone else. +--- 57869524 +>>57868916 +Yours looks way better than his. +And I found another one locally for 2,500. +And he said some shit about the mag being 500 bucks. +Found tons of them for about 175-250 a piece. +--- 57869535 +>>57866797 +>>57867593 +Seriously guys? Basic question. + +1898 +--- 57869559 +>>57868916 +I remember when they went from $600-800 to suddenly $1200-1500 +--- 57869603 +>>57869420 +My only issues with them was over priced. +But I was only buying the Martini henrys a few years ago. So I cannot comment on the other guns. +--- 57870285 +>>57869174 +I recently learned that the Colorado National Guard bought 1895s in 30-40 Krag. Auction house nearby had a rough one that ye olde bubba replaced the rear sight on. Still sold for 2k. RIA sold some nice ones for well over 5. Adding another to my high end want list. + +the last Russian one I saw in person was at a gun show with the classic boomer 'NOT FOR SALE' sign on it. +--- 57870549 +>>57870285 +>It's a 'Gun Show' buddy. I'm showing my guns. Nothing is for sale. +--- 57871649 +>>57870285 +>>57870549 +Speaking of gun shows, I went to a gun show today. Saw a bit of the usual there. +>M1 Garands for $1600 +>1873 Trapdoor for $850 +>Finnish M39 with some modern scope slapped on +>bcd 43 K98k with sanded stock, forget asking price +>do not touch Luger carousel +>byf42 P38 for $2600 +Did not find any .50-70 but walked out with a bag of .348 Winchester brass that I can convert into it. Some Model 71 shooter probably hates my guts right now. +--- 57872066 +>>57864279 +>chinese reproduction sling + +absolutely disgusting. diff --git a/k/57836283.txt b/k/57836283.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..cdf49d9676a6b4d1eed9fec59ecf9b3125cf52c0 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57836283.txt @@ -0,0 +1,736 @@ +----- +--- 57836283 +Previous thread >>57783045 → +Lets be frenly edition + +Resource on what these spec terminology mean +https://www.nite-walker.com/post/2019/11/21/specs-for-dummies-101 +https://apollogearco.com/blogs/news/night-vision-specs-explained +https://gloomgroup.com/blogs/night-vision-info/night-vision-specifications-understanding-what-they-mean + +You shouldn't be chasing for spec values but they do exist and if you wanted to know what "better spec" values are there's a way to know which unit is desirable over another. +Most retailers won't post this info as they build NVDs to order, first come first serve, and depending on their grading scale of high, mid, low tier it may differ from retailers. If a retailer offer a “ready to ship” fully built units they will list the spec values. Hand select is an option from retailers that will try to match to your spec requirements. + +Some reputable retailers: +https://www.jrhenterprises.com/ +https://nvisionoptics.com/ +https://www.customnightvision.com/ +https://gooningear.com/ +https://apollogearco.com +https://blackphasetactical.com/ +https://steeleindustries.com/ + +SNR: signal to noise ratio, the amount of signal the tube can make compared to the noise +EBI: equivalent background information, how much false image appears in the screen through which the actual image has to show, sort of a noise floor of sorts +Halo: How big the circle of bloom is around lights +Photocathode Sensitivity: How sensitive the photocathode is +LP Resolution: Line pair res of the center of the image as measure against a standardized chart + +If one spec is shit it negates the rest, if you have a halo of 2.0 it kinda fucks on an EBI of 0.20 if you want to do any kind of shooting and it's all a balance game + +The numbers to meet or beat are +EBI under 1, preferably under 0.6 being great, 0.1 is gucci +Halo under 1, anything under 0.7 is awesome +SNR, over 25 anything over 30 is gucci +Photocathode, 1900+ is pretty great, 2500+ is stellar +Resolution of 64+ is good, 72+ is gucci +--- 57836677 +>>57836283 (OP) +>tfw can go shooting at night any time I want within 10 minutes +I love living out West, the perfect place for NVG use. +--- 57837157 +>>57836677 +blessed anon with blessed digits +--- 57837277 +Maybe it was a mistake ordering a chink helmet for shits and giggles +>still hasn't arrived +--- 57837292 +>>57836677 +baaaaased +--- 57837455 +>>57837277 +Did you take the Chink Caiman bump pill? I got mine after two weeks. +--- 57837690 +>>57837455 +>>57837277 +You guys really bought chinese helmets, you could have gotten a surplus galvion for 350. If one of you is the idiot from gq fuck you. You scoffed when i suggested a galvion surplus helmet because people laughed at you when you said you were gonna buy one from alibaba, you were too stupid to understand that they were telling you noo and saying you were stupid and making fun of you because you were buying it from alibaba dipshit not because galvion is a bad brand. In the end looks like you still bought the alibaba helmet. +--- 57837701 +>>57837690 +>surplus galvion for 350 +Is that for a bump helmet? Because that would be a killer deal for a ballistic helmet. +--- 57837716 +>>57837690 +For dudes that just want something to hang their nv off of, its hard to argue with chinkshit. It doesn't matter how good a deal for a ballistic may be, if you don't need it then its dead weight vs a simple plastic bump. +--- 57837726 +>>57837701 +The surplus ballistics from CNV/Kosher +https://www.customnightvision.com/product-category/military-surplus/surplus-helmets/ +--- 57837888 +>>57837716 +you can get a Team Wendy bump for 300 and it has very good head adjustment and mounting capabilities. +--- 57837933 +>>57837888 +checked, people shouldn't scoff at the price for equipment that is PPE and is expected to be worn for 8+ hours if you're going beyond casual larp. +--- 57837965 +>>57837888 +I like TW bumps and think they are the best overall package of the name brand bumps, but I'm not going to pretend that a $50 chinese caiman knockoff isn't a decent option for casuals looking to pinch pennies. +--- 57838006 +>>57837933 +N49 brother! +Love this ballistic helmet, so damn light weight. +--- 57838243 +>>57837965 +i wish there was a bump helmet without holes in the top. it pisses me off how they're all the same. my ops core ballistic helmet does a great job keeping rain off of me. these bumps would all be an absolute disaster in rain. +--- 57838412 +>>57838243 +>i wish there was a bump helmet without holes in the top +The PTS Flux and its genuine counterpart {MTEK Flux Carbon-S) don't have holes. The retention on them doesn't seem as nice as TW though. +--- 57838538 +>>57837965 +If you're trying to be cheap night vision isn't the hobby for you +--- 57838565 +>>57838538 +youre gonna trigger the gen1 shizos by saying stuff like that +--- 57838597 +>>57837965 +>>57838538 + +You could always go full Sportsman's Guide SEPT2, empty shells start at like $20 or so. Add some Amazon parts and some drilling, and you've got a literal IIA-ish PASGT clone with a cheap shroud for around $60-70. Also pic related if you want cheap NV. It's crappy compared to even Gen 2 but hell it's all well under $200, what do you expect? +--- 57839256 +>>57838538 +I mean, you can build a 10s clap trap foxbody for cheap or buy a new ZR1. At the end of the day they both run 10s, just one does it with a lot better road manners, performance beyond just straight line speed, and reliability. +There is no reason to gatekeep folks with a cheap 14 into having to spend several hundred or more on accessories just to get out and shoot with it. There are circumstances where buying good gear is important, but that doesn't mean everyone needs it. +--- 57839712 +>>57838538 +>hobby +>/k/ +--- 57839934 +What's the / k/onsensus on the Steiner Otal-C IR? I saw one for $600 a few weeks ago and I missed the opportunity to snag it. Are they at least good enough. +--- 57839967 +>>57839934 +Its a pretty decent when paired with a Kiji or similar IR illuminator head. Other than that you can have the same performance and save money with a holosun LS221. +--- 57840070 +>>57837690 +You're the downie who still doesn't understand the difference between a bump helmet and a ballistic one. +--- 57840094 +>>57837888 +Yeah but I can get the bump helmet from China for less than 1/3rd the cost and the only thing I need it to do is protect against accidentally bumping against branches when hiking at night. +--- 57840299 +>>57838538 +There's no reason to not save money when practical, within reason. People excused TNVC's jewry with the same explanation. This general never would have found the Laserspeed if people didn't want to save some money compared to the overpriced accessory market that normie NVG uses know about. +--- 57840353 +>>57840299 +there's a diff between saving on something that's going to be protecting your head and you're going to be wearing for hours vs. saving on a piece of metal or 3d printed mount. +--- 57840407 +>>57840353 +It does protect my head from basic bumps, which is all I need it to do. The suspension is very comfy. +--- 57841660 +>>57839934 +>Are they at least good enough? +Yeah, but not worth that much. I bought mine at 330 USD and thought that it was an OK deal. At 600? No thanks. They do work. +--- 57842512 +Story time, faggots. Also a practical application of martial arts. I was stopped at a juncture and had to reset some gear. My buddy apparently took false cues from me that it was OK to fuck around where we were and almost fell off of a five foot dropoff onto concrete. I was pivoting side to side and he took that it was safe to blindly waddle about. I was using The Star of Cali. You keep your feet where they are at all times while kneeling, only pivoting to turn to face another direction. You do not shuffle. You do not slide. You do not step. You do not leave your position. You do not fall off of the edge. Especially given the handicap that we place on ourselves working in the dark like we do, we need to be especially cognizant of terrain issues that can bite us and, if we cannot keep track of where our feet are going then we need to be able to lock them to Mother Earth. End of rant. Carry on, boys. +--- 57842559 +>>57842512 +You need better friends +--- 57842630 +>>57837690 +If chinkshit fit my fat fucking head I'd probably get that too but it doesn't so I have to spend a ridiculous amount of money on a piece of plastic with some foam and velcro. +I just try to take some comfort in the fact that for the most part these are 'buy once cry once' pieces of kit. +--- 57842684 +>>57842630 +What's your hat size? +--- 57842759 +What about PVS-69s? Anyone built a pair? +--- 57842918 +>>57842759 +Funny, I saw that model name for a thread on arfcom and didn’t think much about it but it looks pretty interesting https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/PVS-69-Digital-Pass-or-Try-it-out-/18-543659/ +It probably is using the same digital NV sensor of this build or have similar performance https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MthrbR4_UAk [Embed] +--- 57843490 +Anyone have experience with the SOTAC KIJI replica? I want it for my helmet, not a rifle setup. I remember an anon posting about a knockoff a while ago, but it's lost in time. + +https://www.specprecision.com/en/tactical-flashlights/514-584-sotac-bem-kiji-k1-infrared-laser-ir-illuminator-k1-10-perfect-replica.html#/46-color-fde +--- 57844725 +>>57843490 +I’ve only seen it’s performance compared to a legit kiji in this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-ubZ9Xnpodg, [Embed] the knockoff is not very good at trying to replicate the legit kiji. Unless you just want it because it looks like the real thing, I would get something else that is cheaper like an ultrafire ir flashlight. +--- 57844954 +>>57842684 +I'm the retard who got an XL ops core bump, thought it was too big so I exchanged for an L and can't fit into that without taking out all the pads. +--- 57845147 +>>57844725 +The ultrafire is way too big to be helmet mounted. It's pretty comically sized. I'm gonna return mine. +--- 57845185 +>>57845147 +Not him but I went with a Surefire 6P housing with a chinkshit IR module. It has worked very well. +--- 57845429 +Itt we customize 18650 outside diameter by stripping casings and wrapping in tape. Just to pissoff obsessive lunatics who can't relate to diy. +>have issue +>fix issue +>improve fix +>no problem +>profit +>... +>anon has problem +There will always be one intolerant malcontent. +--- 57845501 +https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrBEIyWMoop/ +>has the vis laser override the real ngal has +>focusable illuminator +>weighs less +>takes a CR123 +>is being recoil tested using real firearms in the US +Oh no lasersneed bros, what happened? How did homogear win? +--- 57845652 +>>57842759 +They're okay as a DIY project but the dude making them is an insufferable prick who wildly overstates what they can do. He claims they can compete with Gen 2 and are in his words "“combat ready” but in reality the performance is dog shit for the price. You can buy a Sionyx for the cost to build one and it will out compete the PVS-69. He's also working on a "real" night vision housing but again the build cost creeps into the price range of devices that aren't made of shitty 3d printed plastic but instead professionally built by people who knew what they were doing. His build price for a Gen 2 dual Binocular was 2500 using blemmed chinese tubes. You can easily get a Gen 3 PVS-14 at that point which will out compete it and if you're dead set on duals that's well above what a good condition PVS-5 costs even with the recent increase in prices. +--- 57846405 +>>57845652 +You had me until PVS-5. +--- 57846519 +>>57845652 +Yea, I wouldn't have expected Chinesium IR cameras to perform at a super high level. Still, the system is appealing, to me at least, because the modding community for them is pretty prolific, so I'm hopeful some better systems will come from it. +--- 57846604 +>>57846405 +The tubes he used in his housing at the 2500 dollar price point were a pair of Blemmed Gen 2 Chinese NNVTs. They might have a sharper image in high light compared to older Gen 2 devices but their low light performance is still garbage. I think it's fair to compare a Gen 2 device to another Gen 2 Device. PVS-5 may be a couple decades old but they're still perfectly usable devices and are going to have an exponentially better build quality than you'll get with a 3d printed PVS-69. +--- 57846611 +>>57838006 +Borthers, what helmet cover do you use? +--- 57846632 +>>57846611 +First spear opscore maritime ballistic +--- 57846703 +>>57846632 +It fits well? I feel like most covers don’t fit the N49 well. I just use some no name cover that I’m pretty sure agilite uses. It doesn’t fit perfectly but fits okay. +--- 57846724 +>>57846703 +It's not a perfect fit. besides the company that shall not be shilled, idk if there are covers specifically made for the n49 +--- 57846783 +>>57846724 +I don’t think there are, it’s kinda a bummer desu. I just want one made specifically for it. +--- 57846825 +>>57846783 +I think I'm just going to cover it in a beez scrim and call it a day desu +--- 57846855 +>>57846825 +I have a Multicam cover and a snow scrim for winter fun. My beef with the scrim is that it makes accessing stuff like lights, cables etc, hard because it goes over everything +--- 57846950 +>>57846855 +>it makes accessing stuff like lights, cables etc, hard because it goes over everything +noted +--- 57846965 +Who has the opfor 1431 housings? I was told I need opfor. +--- 57847278 +>>57846931 +What clicky cap is that on your surefire light? +--- 57847286 +>>57847278 +Zbolt +--- 57847301 +Newfag here, thinking of buying a chink laser (not the somogear) +Should I go for the peq or the ngal? +>both out of stock despite being in stock when I checked 2 weeks ago +Nevermind +--- 57847304 +>>57847286 +Any issues with it/ does it suck power output? +--- 57847320 +>>57847304 +The clicky feels cheap and its a crane connection but I hear the gen 2 is better and no it doesnt seem to cause any issues. They claim the gen 1 I have doesnt even work with DF heads but works with mine and a few other anons. +--- 57847331 +>>57847304 +I think that zbolt tailcap is using the laser crane plug, it might be an issue if you have a pressure pad with two leads they don't usually have dual crane plugs. +--- 57847339 +>>57847331 +>two leads they don't usually have dual crane plugs. +the ones from insight do +--- 57847377 +>>57847320 +Which did you choose for your mod button? It keeps trying to charge extra for an FDE crane switch vs the hot button but there’s not difference if you got the hot button crane plug. + +What am i actually getting with “FDE crane plug” I already have one from my old FP Peq15. +--- 57847401 +>>57847377 +Jesus they arent even worth it at that price I got mine on amazon for $50 for the tail cap. Then I got my mod button from plow works. I dont think there is anymore on amazon tho. +--- 57847450 +>>57847401 +Its still there from the z-bolt store too so it doesn't look to be a knockoff: +gen 1: https://www.amazon.com/Function-Tailcap-Finish-Surefire%C2%AE-Equivalent/dp/B07VQ5LK1H + +gen 2: https://www.amazon.com/Switch-Tailcap-Malkoff-Arisaka-Surefire/dp/B0BRJDMMR3 + +I don't understand why this tail cap is using the crane plugs, I guess its easier to source that part vs the SF plug. +--- 57847509 +>>57847377 +That drop down looks like a fuck up. I'm guessing the Hot Button option is supposed to be for no add ons. Don't forget to use the 25% off coupon code if you're buying from their site. + +>>57847450 +>I guess its easier to source that part vs the SF plug. +That's not the reason they stated. +--- 57847753 +>>57847320 +I’m not super concerned either way, I’m just lost as to what they mean by “crane plug” are they trying to get 100$ extra just to have it accept crane plugs or are they literally giving me a crane presssure pad? +--- 57847785 +>>57847509 +> Hot Button option is supposed to be for no add ons + +Okay that makes sense. Deff not worth 200$ for a damn clicky cap +--- 57847994 +>>57847301 +You actually found them in stock? You missed out cause everyone is buying them up and reselling them on Ebay. Thats why they been out of stock since the brassfacts reveal. lol +--- 57848139 +>>57847753 +idk when they had it on amazon I didnt get a crane plug with it I only got the tail cap. +--- 57848154 +>>57847301 +I'm assuming you're gonna get an Invisible Sight. The NGAL is the better buy, but in higher demand. Either way, you're going be waiting several months. +--- 57848168 +>>57844954 +But what's your hat size +--- 57848262 +>>57848154 +Thank you anon, I'll keep that in mind +Guess I'll be hitting F5 for a while +--- 57848412 +>>57848262 +Youll be waiting months. +>>57848154 +Im getting loaned is ngal Ill let you guys know what I think. 2 other anons are suppose to also be loaned it. +--- 57848533 +>AGM rattler +>this cope + +Is this really a cope? +--- 57848608 +>>57848533 +>scope +perhaps a Freudian slip +--- 57848622 +>>57846965 +Opfor as in the Canadian assembler that used to do upgrade packages on the early 1431s? No longer necessary. +>"We are the only company in Canada working directly with Argus to improve and evaluate the BNVD-1431 series of products. Our feedback and recommendations led directly to many of the improvements made to this housing. Our weatherproofing service is no longer necessary as all changes have been made at the factory, and the Opfor Night Solutions upgrade screw kit has been supplied to the factory so all units come with them as standard." +--- 57848857 +>>57848608 +>if your on a budget +I sincerely cannot tell if he is retarded or shitposting. I lean towards retarded. +--- 57849022 +>>57848533 +Not really. Setting aside firmware, control layout, and form factor; all that really matters for thermal performance is that it has enough resolution to provide you the desired amount of clarity at the level of magnification and zoom combo you want to use, while having enough FOV backed out for your scanning needs. +In that guy's review he is comparing two 384 sensor optics with vastly different form factors and base magnifications so they will have different sweet spots where one can easily be much happier using one over the other in different situations. + +At the core of it you need to consider that the AGM is 14.9* FOV with 1.5x base mag whereas the iRay is 7.5* FOV on 3x base mag. Aside from if you absolutely need a tube form factor like the Bolt (being able to be mounted further rearward is the primary driver there), any other considerations are secondary since they build from the FOV/mag experience. + +See similar discussion here: +>>57620997 +>>57626309 +--- 57849121 +>>57849022 +It's good we have such a thermal specialist in this thread, thanks for imparting your knowledge man. +--- 57850322 +bump +--- 57851006 +>>57836283 (OP) +Laserspeed is upgrading the FL5's vis power. +--- 57851024 +>>57851006 +Fuck. +--- 57851038 +>>57851024 +It's not like you gonna use vis my guy +--- 57851053 +>>57851006 +Was the vis laser always <5mw? I thought it was way higher for some reason. +--- 57851063 +>>57845501 +If it's as good as their PEQ clones, we have nothing to fear. +--- 57851094 +>>57851038 +Says who. +--- 57851232 +>>57851094 +Vis is useless besides zeroing. This isn't cod. +--- 57851280 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpTJpfyfHuw [Embed] +Disregard tripfags, vis lasers are cool. +--- 57851281 +>>57851232 +haha boolet go where laser point in daylight haha +--- 57851293 +>>57851006 +Neat. Have they mentioned anything about the WL? either reducing the spill or increasing the throw? Its my only real complaint and even then its not much since I don't see me using the WL that much. Just would be nice to see it improved. +--- 57851383 +>>57851232 +>this advertisement brought to you by Victor Dicosola at TNVC +--- 57851798 +bretty cool +--- 57851807 +>>57851798 +--- 57852014 +>>57848168 +My hat it has 3 corners, 3 corners has my hat, if had it not 3 corners, it would not be my hat! +--- 57852343 +>>57836283 (OP) +I don't know about you guys but, I love my caiman bump. The golden ratio of price to preformence. The helmet costed 80$ and the whole kit costed 234$ including wilcox mount. Very nice + Cope +--- 57852357 +>>57852343 +Back side >.< +--- 57852467 +>>57852357 +Cool. Planning on earpro? +--- 57852488 +>>57852467 +Yeah, probably going to buy sordins soon. +--- 57853703 +>>57852488 +sordins deez nuts. +--- 57853951 +>>57853703 +Yeah, what brand do you have/want to have? +--- 57854045 +>>57852343 +I'm very happy with mine, I just had to replace the nape strap velcro and it has been fine since. The same company also makes a TW knock off if you don't have a head that requires the Caiman. +--- 57854129 +>>57836283 (OP) +Anyway, anyone has experience with these pouches or overall company? This is poorfag thread now +--- 57854139 +>>57854129 +Also, what did it mean by this? +--- 57854317 +>>57854129 +No experience with that brand or store, if you are looking for a pouch to store your NVD I have this pouch https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ENO5EL4 +It fits my PVS-14 with its j-arm and the lowering arm mount or I will use it to stow away my C35 thermal clip-on. +--- 57854458 +>>57848168 +Idk I don't wear hats. i'm not bald. If you're asking to figure out what size you are just spend the $5 to get a tape measure on amazon. +--- 57854471 +>>57854129 +If you're feeling poor then just get one of the MNVD canteen pouch inserts. +--- 57854543 +>>57851280 +based +--- 57855289 +>>57854458 +Ok well get your hat size with a measuring tape and I might have a recommendation for you. +--- 57855297 +>>57854129 +Surplus options are cheaper. +--- 57856589 +>>57855297 +I need to store my friends panos somewhere when he gives them to me. +--- 57856971 +>>57855289 +It's 23 3/4ths in. so it's inbetween a 7 1/2 and 7 5/8ths according to a chart +--- 57857030 +>>57851006 +Now they should upgrade the m3 to be smaller, lighter, and cheaper. We don't need their shitty flashlight +--- 57857038 +Homogear coming in hot +--- 57857044 +>>57857038 +--- 57857091 +>>57857038 +Nahh, what is this? +Already out of stock? Bro... +--- 57857121 +>>57857038 +Looks like shit desu and out of stock. specs pic rel +--- 57857124 +>>57857091 +The new ngal is apparently being tested in the US under real firearm recoil. I'm actually excited to see how it turns out +--- 57857129 +>>57857121 +That's the old version, they haven't released the new version yet. If the weight is even close to the old version that's still half the weight of an FL5 and nearly half the size +--- 57857161 +>>57857129 +Is homogear actually better then LS FL5? or is it just a meme? +--- 57857167 +>>57857161 +The old models are shit and won't hold zero and don't have an aligned laser and illuminator. It's shit and is only popular because it's half decent for how cheap it is unlike the $60 models. The new version is showing some promise but we will see +--- 57857277 +>>57857167 +What about LS FL5/ M3? +--- 57857295 +>>57857124 +Anyone knows the price? +--- 57857337 +>>57857277 +M3 review +--- 57857346 +>>57857337 +The m3 would be great if they scrapped the fucking QD mount and just used the fl5 mount +--- 57857354 +>>57857295 +They havent said but I'm gonna assume around the same price of their other products so ~$300 +--- 57857454 +Has anyone used these chink skeletonized 3-hole shrouds from ebay? I'm building a cheap bump helmet for eventual NVG use, thought I'd ask in this general if these are ok. +--- 57858204 +>>57856971 +>inbetween a 7 1/2 and 7 5/8ths +Are you me? Get out of the diameter of my head! +--- 57858307 +Decided to put the WL back on the rifle after getting the Sneed. Went with the Arisaka side mount. I'm a lefty so I like my light on the left side but couldn't reach it because of how the FL5 and the streamlight fit with each other. I ended up moving it to the right side so I can still get a pretty decent grip on the gun and articulate the push cap. I may play around with the pressure pad and see if it's better that way. +For using the laser I just roll the gun over otherwise my thumb takes up the whole sight picture. Seems ok to at least LARP in the basement with. +This gun is also heavy as fuck because it's a braked 16 with a WL and laser and EOkek. +Right now I only have one rifle so I'll be coping but at some point I will build out a dedicated night gun with an 11.5 or MK18 or something. +>>57858204 +Fat heads rise up. +What bump are you using btw? +--- 57858400 +>>57857454 +use caiman like shroud, 0 wobble, fits great. +--- 57858893 +>>57857346 +You prefer the FL5 mount? Funny, I was thinking the QD mount was better. +--- 57859255 +>>57857454 +I have had both phenomenal and dogshit results with unbranded chinkshit knockoffs. Your call. +--- 57859615 +>>57858893 +QD weighs more and makes it sit way higher up. I find it unnecessary since it will probably lose zero anyway. I'd only have a QD on something like a magnifier or suppressor +--- 57859742 +>>57836283 (OP) +Nightcap mod for those with larger heads https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/Crye-Nightcap-big-head-mod-swap-to-H-Nape/18-543756/ +--- 57859793 +>>57859615 +If you are losing zero with a QD you need to tighten it. +--- 57859832 +>>57859793 +There was an anon who had to modify his laserspeed's QD to make it not-QD to fix his loose fitting mount. Supposedly laserpseed fixed this after his feedback. +--- 57859848 +>>57859832 +Yeah, I recall that and recall that they sent him(?) the updated mount. I'm just talking QDs in general though. +--- 57859883 +>>57859848 +Ah, my bad. +Yeah a reputable brand QD mechanism should/can maintain zero if tighten down to spec/instructions. +--- 57859920 +>>57859793 +The laserspeed m3 had QD issues that they only "fixed" in March. With chinesium you can't trust it 100% +--- 57860096 +>>57859742 +I feel kinda bad cause I would recommend the crye nightcap but I got the knock off version, which fits my large head just fine. +--- 57860281 +>>57856971 +You should have a good amount of options then. I'm a 7 3/4 and use the Caiman chink rip off on the XL size. +--- 57860555 +>>57860281 +Link? +--- 57860612 +How would you design a non helmet mount for your nods that is quick to don and doesn't suck like the usgi or crye. +--- 57860692 +>>57859832 +They did fix it and announced it last month. There should be no need for DIY fixes now. + +>>57860612 +The Raptor Tactical skullcrusher design is a pretty good. +--- 57860731 +>>57860692 +>raptor tactical skullcrusher +Oh yeah I forgot about this. +--- 57861113 +>>57860555 +If you look up Caiman helmet on aliexpress, it'll come up, get the one with the most orders. It's like 80 bucks. +--- 57861880 +>>57861113 +Alright thanks +--- 57862250 +>>57860731 +That thing looks eerily familiar. I can't quite put my finger on it. +--- 57862333 +>>57862250 +This is how I would design a PVS-14 mount too. +--- 57862393 +>>57860731 +see +>>57837157 +--- 57862580 +>>57836283 (OP) +Decided to update my NVD recording device guide/recommendation that I made awhile back. +Got a new recorder that a buddy of mine linked me and it looked like a nice one for some anons to try out. +--- 57863272 +>>57862580 +I made the gopro mount and it's really bad for recording because you're losing 50% of the brightness so everything you film is much darker than it actually is. What would be interesting is finding the right chineseium nanny ribbon camera to copy the unobtanium recorder for a fraction of the cost. +--- 57863390 +>>57863272 +>you're losing 50% of the brightness so everything you film is much darker than it actually is +True, but you can increase the exposure on the GoPro and other lighting settings to compensate for that. I did that when I repurposed the 3D gopro mount to record through my ACOG so I can record with my C35 thermal clipped on. +--- 57863420 +>>57863390 +Forgot to mention what gopro I was using to record that, that was a gopro 11. +This video though was with a gopro 8 with auto settings. +--- 57863502 +>>57863272 +https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KY81F8T/ +--- 57863525 +>>57863502 +hah, very nice! All you need is to find the STL file for the eyepiece mount adapter for the camera/lens or buy it instead. +--- 57864889 +bump +--- 57865482 +tfw we will never have specialized lenses that let us see straight through them but record as well. +--- 57865540 +>>57865482 +We do with thermal. +--- 57865561 +>>57865540 +Elaborate please? I'm talking about taking something in the form factor of a bubble wand, sticking it on your nvg, and recording as you go about your business. +--- 57865743 +>>57865561 +There are thermals with built in recording capability. I am unaware of any for i2. +--- 57865992 +>>57865540 +>>57865743 +2/10 reading comprehension +--- 57866167 +>>57865992 +I was looking past the lament to try to find the real source of the problem. Can you identify a solution to this problem? +--- 57866323 +>>57865743 +Probably because they're digital devices. +--- 57866331 +>>57854129 +They do decent clones desu, an anon said the Spiritus LV119 clone they made was pretty much 1:1, so maybe give it a try. Other airsoft gear that make decent clones is Emerson, TMC/Cork in terms of PC and clothing, as for PEQ and flashlight clones, FMA has some decent stuff too, dunno if they are as good as the Somogear PEQ, but its more than enough for a poorfag larper desu. Airsoft gear definitely has gone a step up in quality over the years, so much so that I wouldn't even bother on picking up overpriced old surplus shit nowdays, unless you are one of those rare ALICE system focused fags, shame for them cuz now these days being one of them is pretty rough with current prices. +--- 57866396 +>>57866323 +Well, that is entirely the case. The signal necessary for the recording protocol is already native to the thermal device. I assumed that pointing at pragmatic solutions was better than pipe dreaming. Otheranon disagreed. It is what it is. +--- 57866441 +>>57866167 +>real source of the problem +Anon wasn't asking for any ordinary method of recording in the dark. You act like he didn't know clip on NV recorders and recording with digital devices existed. +>Can you identify a solution to this problem? +No I refuse to. + +>>57866396 +>pragmatic solutions was better than pipe dreaming +What do you think tfw implies? +--- 57866510 +>>57865482 +/TG/ & /X/--> +is that way. +--- 57866572 +Hello /k/ +I have head crusher and a pvs 14 gen 3 wolf +its good stuff id like to get a helmet bump is fine so i can mount it but I really only want it for bump unless you know a great deal on one with a mount + +i want a helmet id like to have the 3 hole mount and helmet for under 300, preferably high cut for muffs + +am I being to poo and thats not happening or im missing a whole section of the market....arms core is to leet for me yeah +--- 57866603 +>>57866441 +>You act like he didn't know +I am not acting like anything. They come in all varieties here - including actual retards and people pretending to be retards. Even Wuggy used to come in here with his terminal case of Dunning-Kruger. If my feedback is unwanted then just let it ride. +--- 57866633 +>>57866572 +>3 hole mount +>under $300 (eh) +ballistic, but yeah +https://www.customnightvision.com/product/protech-armored-iiia-high-cut-ballistic-helmet-with-ops-core-nightvision-shroud-light-tan/ +--- 57866637 +>>57866572 +If you get one of the better chinkshit bumps then you can upgrade components as you go. I got the top tier of unobtainium chinkshit shells and put a legit OpsCore liner and shroud on it. If the helmet is the right config then all of the legit parts should fit. +--- 57866665 +>>57866633 +thanks this is perfect +>>57866637 +is the above a good idea then? +--- 57866701 +>>57866665 +>is the above a good idea then? +I am somewhat fond of Protech. I think that that is a good start. Keep in mind that you still need rails and that the initial purchase eats your entire budget. +--- 57866721 +>>57866701 +yeah i get that. they have a used mount + +https://www.customnightvision.com/product/surplus-norotos-rhino-mount-with-j-arm-bayonet/ +does that fit the "ops core three hole mount?" +--- 57866736 +>>57866721 +I really suggest a RHNO II over that RHNO I. The old arms have some issues and the new ones have more adjustments. I do like the old mount but the newer one is better overall. +tldr; I would pass +--- 57866744 +>>57866736 +https://www.customnightvision.com/product/wilcox-pvs-14-dovetail-arm-with-and-without-on-off-switch/ + +is a wilcox good? +--- 57866754 +>>57866603 +I now at least understand what your intention was from >>57866441 so I have no further objections. +>They come in all varieties here - including actual retards and people pretending to be retards. +Agreed. Although anon didn't come off as any sort of retard to me. What he wants sounded like a perfectly legitimate wish. The closest thing to a "solution" I can think of realistically is a further miniaturized clip on recorder but, what he wants sounds like some sort of thin prism with good light transmission. +--- 57866755 +>>57866744 +you're going to need a far more expensive mount or modify the RHINO II to accommodate a dovetail j-arm +--- 57866761 +>>57866755 +hmmmmm i think ill pick up the helmet and get the mount anouther pay period not gonna be able to do this as cheap as possible +--- 57867285 +>>57866761 +That'll give you time to get the mount sorted anyways. +--- 57867511 +>>57866572 +I use a chink Caiman helmet and it's very good for the price. 80 bucks on Aliexpress. +--- 57867957 +bump +--- 57869782 +>>57867511 +Mine finally hit the shores of the CUSA. +--- 57870262 +There's something I don't understand. Can you put a simple camera lens on a thermal vision device and have a zoomed in picture? Or I must have special lens for that? +--- 57870399 +>>57870262 +You can do that it’s similar to thermal clip-on devices, the thermal is 1x native with a screen resolution of whatever its specs are and then the scope zooms into the screen like this setup >>57863390. +If the screen resolution is too low it’ll look extremely pixelated and can only zoom in so far before you can’t make out what is trying to display. Retaining zero if it’s a thermal scope could be an issue too. +--- 57870691 +>>57870262 +>Can you put a simple camera lens on a thermal vision device and have a zoomed in picture? +No. It needs to be a germanium lens due to the band in which thermal imaging operates. +https://outdoorlegacygear.com/blogs/news/thermal-optics-terminology +--- 57871521 +>>57870399 +>>57870691 +Ehm... That's two opposite answers. +--- 57871646 +>>57871521 +Because there’s two mindset on answering your question. +The first reply has to do with magnifying the actual display of the thermal screen. +The second reply has to do with magnifying the actual image/view the thermal sensor is detecting. +Which one were you actually asking for? +Now I’m confused on what you were originally asking about. +--- 57872074 +>>57871646 +Why would I want to magnify the screen with camera lenses? + +That's kinda obvious. +There's a regular camera, I use telescopic lenses to zoom in the view. +There's a thermal camera, I use ?????? lenses to zoom in the view. +--- 57872122 +>>57872074 +>Why would I want to magnify the screen with camera lenses? +Because that is how its done with clip-on thermals with magnified scope optics. +>That's kinda obvious. +Yes so obvious that you don't know what you are even asking about. Do you even own a thermal device? Go place the thermal objective lens into your camera viewfinder or even the telescoptic lens and see what you get. +You truly are moronic and didn't even know what you are asking for. +--- 57872170 +>>57872122 +Retard I don't have a thermal camera but but I want to buy one, that's why I ask. What's hard in my question? If I put a telescope in front of the sensor will I see a magnified thermal image? +--- 57872211 +>>57872170 +>Retard +Ironic. Its been answer already, retard faggot. +--- 57872442 +>>57872170 +>If I put a telescope in front of the sensor will I see a magnified thermal image? +No. The thermal band is blocked by standard glass. Are you familiar with Carl Carwindows? It's the same principle. You cannot even see through window glass with a thermal imager. That has always been one of its larger downsides. +--- 57872481 +>>57872170 +>If I put a telescope in front of the sensor will I see a magnified thermal image? +Negative, the glass used for a camera zoom lens does not allow pass through of the needed spectral range. +There are existing Germanium afocal lenses out there but not many designed for the sportsman market. You would need something like this https://sectoroptics.com/product/afocal-thermal-adapters/ +--- 57872508 +>>57872442 +>>57872481 +Thank you anon, now I got it. +>https://sectoroptics.com/product/afocal-thermal-adapters/ +Damn the price, but atsast they exist. Maybe some day chinese will discover it's secret and manufacture a cheaper aliexpress version. +--- 57872550 +>>57872481 +You know what? I found the separate germanium lenses on aliexpress for cheap. I should definitely play with them after I get my thermal camera. diff --git a/k/57837602.txt b/k/57837602.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e9126f085a76041f6680f45d44e825f19beeeeb0 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57837602.txt @@ -0,0 +1,825 @@ +----- +--- 57837602 +But... why? +--- 57837614 +>>57837602 (OP) +So many manufacturing malfunctions for a piece of shit that costs $7k. + +Fuck sig, they're niggers. +--- 57837627 +>>57837614 +What happened this time? +--- 57837821 +>>57837627 +Everyone who's ever bought an AR-15 is outrageous the Army has switched to a different cartridge and rifle. They feel abandoned and unloved because they are, and they're hyped up little 22 magnums are going the way of the dodo while 30 caliber rains supreme yet again after a nice little nap. +--- 57838080 +>>57837821 +>.30 cal reigns supreme +>new cartridge is .277 +What did he mean by this? +--- 57838096 +>>57837602 (OP) +Is it the handguard flexing and not returning to center? +--- 57838108 +>>57837602 (OP) +Because the army was too far into SIG's pockets to pick an actually innovative rifle +--- 57838141 +>>57837602 (OP) +It can blast through Russian body armor, it was literally designed to do so + +They are also going to be issued with an optic that's able to auto-aim headshot targets from a mile away (see pic related) +--- 57838150 +>>57838108 +>actually innovative rifle +None of the rifle entries were innovative and Sig produced the only innovative SAW, you coping and seething nigger. >>57837614 +>source: my ass +--- 57838194 +>>57837602 (OP) +To make /k/ seethe +--- 57838218 +>2010 /k/: WE WANT BATTLE RIFLES. BATTLE RIFLES ARE CHAD +>2020 /k/: WHY DID THE MILITARY ADOPT A BATTLE RIFLE? +--- 57838228 +>>57837602 (OP) +compensation for small penis +--- 57838352 +>>57838218 +Take me back +--- 57838540 +it really is a dumb idea +there is already so much support for the AR platform, they really should have just made an AR in the caliber they want +also this new rifle is heavy, which is going to be a problem if the army continues to lower standards and push "diversity and inclusion" and recruit women, trannies and fags +--- 57838632 +>>57837602 (OP) +Two (2) charging handles +--- 57838704 +>>57837602 (OP) +>Cohen. +--- 57838707 +>>57837602 (OP) +The russian big bad has body armor now! The US needs a bigger booooolit for muh OVERMATCH, so say the MIC. + +Turns out they probably can't afford to issue it. And if they did, they'd probably be sold to the black market and replaced with egg cartons. +--- 57838776 +>>57838218 +Based fucking king +--- 57838883 +>>57838218 +But this battle rifle is retarded and jewish. +--- 57838906 +>>57838080 +uh, duh its called ROUNDing up +--- 57838943 +>we're going to replace several million M4s and M16s in armories with 110,000 of these +--- 57838991 +>>57838943 +no, they're replacing ~110,000 frontline M4's and ~20,000 frontline M249s with ~110,000 XM7s and ~20,000 XM250s. + +Everyone else keeps their M4s. +--- 57839197 +>>57838991 +and after sometime everyone will have xm5 or 7 as you called it for unknown to me reason +--- 57839232 +>>57837614 +Such as? +--- 57839271 +>>57838632 +It's stupid but it's one of trivial reasons why they won +--- 57839327 +>>57838218 +SIG managed to take all the soul out of a battle rifle somehow +--- 57839344 +>>57837602 (OP) +The MG +--- 57839354 +>>57839197 +They haven't announced any plan to do as such. +For now all they've announced is they're buying ~110,000 rifles to be fielded by the frontline combat units. +What they decide to do in 5-10+ years is anyone's guess, but right now they've officially not made any decision. + + +As for XM5/XM7, it was renamed because Colt already has an M5 rifle and to avoid any potential lawsuits or problems the army pre-emptively changed the name to the XM7 which will become the M7 when it enters service later this year. +--- 57839371 +>>57837602 (OP) +Battle Rifles are too heavy +Assault Rifles are too weak against modern body armor +The Sig Spear bridges the gap between Battle Rifles and Assault Rifles. This is afforded due to modern material science, allowing higher chamber pressures than previous Assault Rifles while also remaining relatively light +>but muh recoil! +I've fired one, its fine. +--- 57839394 +>>57839371 +it has the weight of a battle rifle and the ballistics of an intermediate +--- 57839410 +>>57837614 +>Fuck sig, they're niggers. +You didn't need to say anything else +--- 57839420 +>>57839394 +but it has better ballistics than either .308 or 6.5 mememoor + + +it's also lighter than MOST other battle rifles. And none of those other battle rifles were designed to shoot an 80k PSI round. +--- 57839459 +>>57837602 (OP) +MICs gonna MIC +cant stop the MICkers +--- 57839501 +>>57838883 +Incorrect, Jewish battle rifles are highly tuned kebab removal machines +This is lederhosen made of weinerschnitzel +--- 57839520 +>>57837602 (OP) +Because muh overmatch. + +Never forget that the Army spent twenty years working on a new, lightweight polymer case-telescoped round that would reduce the infantryman's burden (or more likely, allow him to carry more stuff like radios, batteries, and explosives). And then, at the last second, a couple generals who were obsessed with the supposed range advantage the Taliban had in mountaintop fights trashed the whole program by rewriting the program requirements to demand a heavy bullet traveling at warp speed. And now, the infantry won't have enough ammo for a long firefight, much less enough spare weight allowance to carry the smart munitions they'll need. +--- 57839668 +>>57839520 +Polymer case technology is rapidly advancing too. It's not like it just stopped when this competition ended. The goofy multi-piece case shit already looks outdated and will be a forgotten curiosity within a few years. +--- 57840014 +>>57839520 +And range + Velocity is the most important design criteria but god forbid they pick a bullpup +--- 57840028 +>>57839668 +Sig won and you haven't been able to cope with it since +--- 57840091 +>>57839520 + +got mech dog carry ammo soon dont you worry +--- 57840103 +>>57837602 (OP) +SIG USA has successfully captured the Army procurement apparatus. Corruption is increasingly evident across all of US government including armed forces. +--- 57840144 +>>57837602 (OP) +reinventing the wheel lol. every general prepared to fight the last war. +--- 57840159 +>>57840103 +Even leafs are replacing their pistols with P320s +--- 57840216 +>pircrel is the guy she told you not to worry about +FN IWS puts siggers on suicide +--- 57840272 +>>57840216 +How so? It's not like FY24 budget saw any reduction in M7/M250 orders. + +SIG are laughing all the way to the bank. +--- 57840461 +>>57840159 +Canada is run by jews +--- 57840476 +>>57840216 +>We should've adopted .280 Brit in the first place +--- 57840637 +>>57839197 +>after sometime +Which has never happened before with a service rifle +The '03 Springfield, Garand, M14, M16, they were all rolled out by the millions within their first five years issued +--- 57840746 +>>57837602 (OP) +Because it's fast as fuck boy and has good bc and sectional density to shred armor and turn tissue into jelly +--- 57840793 +>>57839420 +>Better ballistics than either .308 or 6.5 creedmoor +>For some reason they cant go back to .308 and make it better saving time and money. +>Oh wait they want this thing to be "Expensive" so they can transfer more wealth from the American tax payer to the elite + +Nothing to see here. +--- 57840798 +>>57838218 +because +>"WE WANT A BATTLE RIFLE" +>monkey paw: "okay, but it's made by SIG" +>"FUCK" +--- 57841206 +>>57840793 +This +--- 57841271 +>>57840798 +>"okay, but it's made by SIG" +it's more like +>"okay, but it's a soulless AR platform ripoff" +--- 57843095 +>>57837602 (OP) +Because +--- 57843424 +>>57837602 (OP) +Grifter's paradise +Just like with the Future Warrior/Future Soldier programs of the 90s and early 00s the only winners are the defense companies involved +--- 57843472 +>>57839668 +>The goofy multi-piece case shit already looks outdated and will be a forgotten curiosity within a few years. +>*he doesn't know* +--- 57843478 +>>57840476 +>piss weak cartridge +--- 57843481 +>>57838150 +The Textron one with the cased telescoped ammo was better +--- 57843508 +>>57843481 +There are rummors case telescoping is plagued by accuracy problems induced by moving chamber misalignments and incompatibility with VLD bullets like 6.8 GP. +It passed tests with surrogate bullet, but with real 6.8 GP it flopped. +--- 57843520 +>>57843472 +Hmu when 5.56 can go 4k fps out of a 16" barrel +--- 57843544 +>>57843472 +I mean, it's one way to get Govment Subsidized Bubba's Hottest Pissenist loads to fire without exploding cases. + +A bridge tech if anything. Until we can easily rework a new case alloy/poly whatever they go with. + +Guns a meme but the idea of fuckin 80k PSI kinda tickles my innards +--- 57843603 +>>57843544 +>you WILL fire thee 100K PSI 5.56 +>and you WILL like it +--- 57843622 +>>57843603 +TIME TO PLINK BOI- *durrrrrsh* +--- 57843665 +>>57838141 +>an optic that's able to auto-aim headshot targets from a mile away +but can it 360 noscope? +--- 57843783 +>>57839327 +>muh soul +Just admit you wanted wood furniture becuase BRetards just can't leave the 1960s in the past. +--- 57843793 +>>57840103 +>do think purchasing all our small arms from one manufacturer would be a logistically and financially sound decision? +>NO ONLY A JEW WOULD THINK OF SUCH THINGS +Man, I'm glad you'll never be in any position to make procurement decisions. +--- 57843827 +>>57837602 (OP) +>no polymer ammo +Shit and cringe. +--- 57844075 +Has anyone actually shot the actual full oomph the so called Sig fury round pray tell +--- 57845443 +>>57841271 +if it was just an AR-10 that would be cool but it's bad instead +>>57843783 +needed more polymer and less aluminum +--- 57845481 +>>57845443 +Short stroke gas piston is based, especially since the rifle is meant to be run with a suppressor 24/7. + +I get that DI is mechanically simpler and much cheaper to manufacture, with a few benefits in mud tests and shit, but those few benefits aren't really worth getting your panties in a twist over. + +I doubt you COULD make a DI AR-10 in the same size footprint as the XM7. +--- 57845495 +>>57845481 +yeah but the (scaled up in this case) AR-18 action is trash, heavier and taller than an equivalent DI and buffer tube action +the only benefit is that it doesn't fart out the ejection port and you can remove the buffer tube +--- 57845505 +>>57837602 (OP) +At least this one doesn't look like a fucking fish. +It WILL fail anyway, no matter what you autists say. They WILL walk back on the contract and keep the M4/M16/Big Black AR-15/Whatever. + +America is a dead end nation. +--- 57845582 +>>57845495 +Sure, but a DI action would take up more length and fart in your mouth, we already know gas blowback is horrible for your health, the army doesn't want the VA having to pay out in 20 years when the boots who were running this rifle start to see their lungs fail. +--- 57845597 +>>57845582 +>take up more length +folding stocks are a meme, just use a non-collapsing polymer rifle stock (A1 length) and move on with your life +>fart in your mouth +don't be left handed I guess +gas blowback is not so bad with the lead-free primers but yeah NOx is... gross +you'll be fine unless you're huffing MG fumes all day +--- 57845605 +>>57837602 (OP) +i hate that it looks like the mag was inserted backwards +--- 57845619 +>>57845605 +It was designed to be used by niggers, so no surprise. +--- 57845801 +>>57838141 +You're wrong about literally everything in your post, holy shit +--- 57845961 +>>57838141 +seeing M7fags think that a autoBDC in a LPVO turns a rifle in the hands of the typical 20-something army mouthbreather into a long range aimbot machine is one of the funniest developments of this shitshow +--- 57846008 +>>57845961 +It's incredible. I shit you not that multiple times I've seen them swear that the BDC is enough and that windage at 500m+ won't matter because "beeg boolet go fast." There is a nearly 24" deviation at 500m from a 10mph crosswind for Fury. +--- 57847797 +>>57845505 +I keep saying it doesn't even have to be walked back +The contract is miniscule enough that damage control was always in place for them to easily go "Yep, we're very happy with our new SCAR-H/HK417/AR10/M14 replacement" and not even be lying +--- 57848999 +>>57838141 +>It can blast through Russian body armor + +Why would you invest in a gun to counter threats that simply don't exist? +--- 57851417 +>>57845961 +>>57846008 +I'm not even sure how all that stuff got started. I remember seeing Vortex's patent documents posted ages ago and they made it pretty obvious how the scope works. +--- 57853039 +>>57837821 +ESL belong on /int/ +--- 57853247 +>>57846008 +It's literally just .270 Winchester out of a short barrel. +--- 57853743 +>>57837602 (OP) +You will never be a real gun. YWNBARG +--- 57853775 +>>57853247 +that was my first rifle caliber way back in the day :tear: +--- 57853819 +Most people here who try to write off the m7 in about 1 sentence or just lazily "it's just (example that isn't even remotely close to what it is being compared to) it's all a scam" are dumbasses or people who can't get over sig winning the contract since their totally game changing bullpup whatever was definitely the better choice. +--- 57853865 +>>57851417 +It's because a good chunk of the proponents do not know anything about long range shooting, or shooting in general. They unironically think that getting the range down is the hardest element when it is by far and away the easiest in regards to making a shot that's really going out there. +--- 57853886 +>>57853819 +it's not as good as it could be therefore I hate it +--- 57854270 +>>57838141 +ruccians can barely make it 20mi outside their border anyway who cares +--- 57854299 +>>57838141 +Russians can afford body armor? +--- 57854328 +>>57843472 +>steel cope case on a joke cartridge +--- 57854581 +>>57839354 +>m7 +>it's not a caseless 5.7 suppressed PCC +it's over +--- 57855633 +>>57853886 +How could it be better? +--- 57856287 +Reminder that the SIG round averages over 80-90k psi while still being the slowest round. Reminder that the army required over 10k round barrel life. Reminder that SIG’s mat sci group couldn’t pull off polymer designs so they had to change to the shitty hybrid case, yet can supposedly somehow make better barrels than companies like rheinmetal. +I pity the poor grunt who gets the first failure. +--- 57857620 +>>57837821 +literally not a 30 cal, retard. +--- 57857715 +>>57837602 (OP) +if you can't understand why a (gay) military doesn't want its infantry weapon to be 99% parts compatible with civilian weapons, you're ngmi +--- 57857874 +>>57855633 +lighter, softer recoiling +20" barrel +--- 57860667 +>>57857874 +so both larger and lighter weight, while ALSO reducing the recoil? + +seems like physics would contradict that possibility. +--- 57861364 +>>57860667 +Not him but playing with the idea: +A long-stroke piston has lighter perceived recoil than short-stroke pistons because it feels more like a push than a few light hits +C405/7050 series aluminum could replace 7075 to cut a few ounces while retaining strength. Or in the case of the handguard, keep the weight and strength it to increase rigidity. +The longer barrel poses a problem. Maybe have it really thick around the chamber but tapered to a pencil profile? Or use a barrel sleeve design like on tanks/ what Armalite did with the original AR-10 against Stoner's recommendation +--- 57862379 +>>57861364 +DI +>>57860667 +You'd need to sacrifice the folding stock and use more polymers but it wouldn't even be hard +the barrel is negotiable +--- 57862381 +>>57854299 +They meant "near +-peer adversary" +--- 57862549 +>>57838707 +There’s still based Chinks as enemy. +--- 57862584 +>>57837602 (OP) +Because it makes bullpup fags cry and they deserve to suffer for having shitty European tastes +--- 57862745 +>>57837602 (OP) +RIP AR +--- 57862855 +>>57845597 +>>fart in your mouth +>don't be left handed I guess +Doesn't even do that if you're left handed +Suppressed I get smacked on the right cheek by unburnt powder from shitty Winchester ammo, that's about it. +--- 57863082 +>>57840793 +This, also retarded that they want a new service eifle that also is a dmr but they cut that rifle shorts as fuck, and as seen by the commercial hybrid ammo that’s available. It affects ballistics alot +--- 57863206 +>>57843472 +Get with the times grandpa. Hybrid cases are old and busted. Thin wall stainless steel is the new hotness. +--- 57864193 +>>57838228 +>you have a gun that scares me? Now I'm thinking about your dick! Checkmate, gun owner" +Sorry to inform you, but thinking about dicks is extremely gay +--- 57864337 +>>57840216 +What is this? +--- 57864726 +>>57839410 +Pretty much. +--- 57864740 +>>57840014 +Bullpups suck worse than Sigs. +Verification not required. +--- 57866027 +>>57837821 +I thought the new cartridge was 6mm ARC +--- 57869012 +Because corruption and retardation, that's why. +--- 57869036 +>>57838141 +I can no longer tell when this is said as a joke or from a troll vs genuine belief by Siggers +--- 57869037 +>ctrl+f drone +>0 results found + +smart scope + ivas feeding aimbot tier aiming advice to grunt ++ +grunt with heavier and harder hitting round += +every infantry squad now has a fighting chance against enemy drones += +US has widespread anti-drone capability built into every infantry soldier when countries are still figuring out how to use drones +--- 57869068 +>>57839371 +>The Sig Spear bridges the gap between Battle Rifles and Assault Rifles. +By having the weight of a battle rifle and the effect on armor of an assault rifle? + +Post guns. +--- 57869099 +>>57838906 +>uh duhhh +Ok retard +--- 57869101 +>>57838218 +/k/ US mil criticis BTFO +Pentagon is the Chad +--- 57869231 +>>57843793 +>just have a monopoly on your weapons production +Man, I'm glad you'll never be in any position to make procurement decisions. +--- 57869253 +>>57860667 +Hmmmm if only there was a way to increase barrel length and therefore velocity meaning a lower pressure round could be used, all while not increasing OAL +--- 57869265 +>>57869037 +>smart scope + ivas feeding aimbot tier aiming advice to grunt +Which can be applied to any rifle +>+ +>grunt with heavier and harder hitting round +>= +>every infantry squad now has a fighting chance against enemy drones +What? How are grunts able to pick out drones from the sky with a rifle? +--- 57869911 +>>57837602 (OP) +I'm going to buy one of these just to make /k/ seethe lmao +--- 57869943 +>>57869253 +bullpups are gay tho +--- 57869958 +>>57869068 +One of the lightest weight BRs ever made for it's capabilities, and more lethality than either .308 or 6.5meemoor, both of which can do considerably more against armor than 5.56. +This doesn't mean 6.8x51 (or 7.62) can pen the armor you're talking about, but it IS more effective than 5.56 even if neither one pens on the first shot. +--- 57870021 +>>57864337 +.264 licc + +>>57869958 +>it can't pen armor any better than the cartridge it was supposed to replace to pen armor, but if it lands a hit despite more recoil and less ammo the bruise on their ribs will be slightly wider +--- 57870058 +>>57837602 (OP) +>why? +Because if you don't want M4s on Mars you have to start somewhere, unfortunately at this point in time there's no significant leap if technology that's going to necessitate something that different which is why the fish gun wasn't going to make it. +--- 57870061 +>>57869958 +>makes praise revolve around effect on armor +>"it IS more effective than 5.56 even if neither one pens on the first shot." +Do SIG shill have actual brain parasites or something? Between not understanding windage, thinking a BDC turns the common grunt into a sniper, and this assumption that people are really getting nailed multiple times at range by infantry rifles, it's like all their knowledge about small arms combat comes from videogames. +--- 57870065 +>>57870021 + +Considering it was never designed to penetrate high tier body armor, I don't really understand your point. + +It was designed to go through light cover (walls, unarmored vehicles, etc) better than 5.56. It does that. It's ALSO flatter shooting, heavier, and faster. + + +The idea that it was SUPPOSED to be able to penetrate level 4 rifle plates is just fuddlore fantasy cope you dumb fucks made up to shit on it. +--- 57870086 +>>57870061 +I'm just tired of morons like you pretending it's supposed to be some sniper round penetrating high tier body armor when it was NEVER intended to do that. It's intended to go through light cover like a single layer brick wall or some wood or sheet metal. + + +BUH MUH ARMOR PEN as if armor pen = penetrating BODY armor, not just generic greater penetration through ANY cover (the actual point of the program). +--- 57870098 +>>57870065 +>The idea that it was SUPPOSED to be able to penetrate level 4 rifle plates is just fuddlore fantasy cope you dumb fucks made up to shit on it. +you are absolutely fucking deluded if you think the detractors were the one spewing the armor pen meme and not the supporters. like straight up brain damaged. +--- 57870109 +>>57870065 +Penning peer body armor was the latest official justification, moron. Before that, it was range in afghanistan and in the program before NGSW it was stopping power for CQB. + +You're continuing the same series of rationalisations, but unlike the official copers you're denying the literal official justifications. +--- 57870111 +>>57870098 +Who the fuck cares who started it? + +I don't give a single fuck who started saying it, if you're STILL saying it, you're a moron. And the people who STARTED saying it, are ALSO morons. +--- 57870117 +>>57870086 +>I'm just tired of morons like you pretending it's supposed to be some sniper round penetrating high tier body armor when it was NEVER intended to do that. +Ironic, considering skeptics like me were the ones always saying this and it was your ilk posting otherwise, but you do you famalam. +>BUH MUH ARMOR PEN as if armor pen = penetrating BODY armor +No one refers to barrier penetration as armor penetration you literal retard, holy shit. +>not just generic greater penetration through ANY cover (the actual point of the program). +I cannot tell if you're being serious or not, this was never alluded to in any of the competition specs. +--- 57870122 +>>57870109 +>was the latest official justification +Show me ANYWHERE that OFFICIALLY claims this. + +I've read the entire original project PPON that started the program, as well as watched the entire contract award announcement press conference. +--- 57870128 +>>57870111 +>YOU JUST SAID THIS TO SHIT ON IT +>no we didn't the whole reason it got brought up at all was because the pro_NGSW crows swore it would go through IV plates for weeks on end +>WHO CARES WHO STARTED IT +are you a woman? +--- 57870136 +>>57870122 +You cannot say that the whole point of the program was to increase blind barrier penetration capability and expect to be taken seriously. Why are you posting like you're on the verge of crying? +--- 57870149 +>>57870136 +I never said that was the ENTIRE point of the program, that was the ONLY point of penetration needs stated by the program ( you know, the specific thing we're talking about here?) + + +The overall goal of the program was to increase lethal engagement range while keeping ammo commonality throughout the squad. +--- 57870150 +>>57870021 +This is just wrong. Its supposed to give basic infantry the ability to reach out to 600 yards, thump through light-skinned vehicles, and defeat special threat plates (not level IV) in a similar size and weight package to 5.56 rifles. It does this. Its actually a great idea for an intermediate cartridge. +--- 57870151 +>>57870122 +>aaaaaaaa it was actually barrier pen all along +There's no reasoning with a liar like you. +--- 57870162 +>>57870086 +> as if armor pen = penetrating BODY armor not just generic greater penetration through ANY cover +Do you refer to cinder blocks, sheet metal and foliage as "armor"?? +--- 57870175 +>>57870151 +I'm asking for the proof you said existed OFFICIALLY. + +if asking you to provide proof of a claim you said was OFFICIAL justification, how the fuck am I supposed to believe ANYTHING you claim? +--- 57870178 +>>57870149 +>I never said that was the ENTIRE point of the program +>>57870086 +>generic greater penetration through ANY cover (the actual point of the program). +please refer to >>57870128, are you a vagina-haver, because you argue like one. +--- 57870193 +>>57870178 +Yes, again in the context SPECIFICALLY of penetration, the point of THIS program was NOT to design a round to penetrate level 4 plates. +--- 57870194 +>>57870150 +>M7 +>a similar size and weight package to 5.56 rifles +>an intermediate cartridge. +Okay I'm starting to think that these people are either shitposters or genuinely mentally ill. +--- 57870199 +>>57870194 +Nigger kill yourself, the army themselves refer to it as an intermediate cartridge. + +ACHTUALLY faggots like yourself will point out it's a full-sized rifle cartridge, but so fucking what? The army is calling it intermediate. +--- 57870204 +>>57870199 +Active denial of reality, more support for my theory. +--- 57870219 +>>57870204 +Again, blame the most well funded military in the world for making that claim, not the people repeating what they say. + + +You just seem like a pedantic faggot the more you dig your heels in on that one in particular. +--- 57870231 +>>57870199 +A round with a135gr. projectile and 80k psi chamber pressure is not intermediate in any way shape or form. Do you consider 6.5 Creed and 7.62 NATO intermediate? +--- 57870239 +>>57837602 (OP) +I dont know what it is but I dislike rifles without fixed iron sights. I dont mind optics but I NEED fixed irons (no flip ups) +--- 57870241 +>>57870231 +see >>57870219 +--- 57870249 +>>57870239 +And I personally simply wouldn't buy a rifle with fixed iron sights. Ever. +--- 57870255 +>>57870199 +>>57870219 +>THE *AMRY* SAID SO +the army has repeatedly proven its capacity for retardation which anyone who has served would be able to tell you, use your brain you hyperemotional faggot, if you think this shit is actually intermediate then you might as well consider any full-powered rifle round intermediate as well +--- 57870263 +>>57870249 +Thats alright anon. How about carry handles ? +--- 57870274 +>>57870263 +If it's collapsable maybe. + +If it's like on the M16 or similar i'd rather eat a bullet. +--- 57870275 +>>57870241 +Even if they said that, they're wrong. It's nto intermediate, and you thinking it is just because some nimrod with a rank said it was makes me wonder what you know about shooting period. + +Anywho, it's a nice Sunday and I'm going to spend it shooting steel at 300m, not arguing with a likely gunless troll having fits of autism rage. +--- 57870288 +>>57839520 +yep. the XM7 is a rifle to fight the last war. Doesn't make ANY sense for a highly mechanized and urban Pacific war that we expect to fight by the end of the decade +--- 57870290 +>>57870199 +>the army themselves refer to it as an intermediate cartridge. +they're wrong then, if they said the sky was green would you believe them? because that's essentially what they're doing here, if they actually said that at all. +--- 57870297 +>>57870275 +>>57870255 +Get over it, the round was created after the army ran several research programs on a replacement intermediate caliber round, they determined a larger round than 5.56 was needed, so they settled on 6.5-6.8mm bullet this eventually finalized to a 6.8x51 bullet/catridge. + +Since all of this originally started with the goal of making a new intermediate caliber, that's what the army calls it even if by traditional standards, it is full-size. +--- 57870307 +>>57870297 +>the army says it's an intermediate round so it's an intermediate round +my guy you are actually retarded, I hope you're realizing this +--- 57870326 +>>57870297 +>>57870219 +>>57870199 +>>57870111 +>>57870086 +You have to be 18 to post here +--- 57870329 +Honestly glad I never bought Sigshit despite living in New England where it is held in such high regard because there's a manufacturing plant in NH as well as training facility. Every person I know with a gun has a Sig lmao +>>57838141 +This picture just makes me mad that the tens of thousands I pay in taxes each year are going to niggers and goblinos to have this stuff instead of me. +--- 57870331 +>>57870307 +You're also the retard that thinks the army wants it to pen level 4 armor despite never having said that's what they want. + + +>>57870326 +Good thing I'm 31 then. +--- 57870340 +>>57870331 +You're 31 and you have the emotional posting style of a 14 year old redditor? Damn. +--- 57870348 +>>57870274 +damn ok brother +--- 57870358 +>>57870331 +>You're also the retard that thinks the army wants it to pen level 4 armor +nah, but cool backtracking attempt you noguns moron, lmfao +--- 57870374 +>>57870340 +>the emotional posting style +LE REDDIT POSTING MAYMAY?!@?!?! + +"reddit" posting as a meme was created to let newfags (like yourself) call someone out for "reddit" posting which was just allowing yourself to signal to everyone else that you were a newfag. + +"Reddit" posting as a format style has existed since before 4chan even existed, since it's a stylistic holdover that was popularized on tech forums and other online forum communities in the late '90s and early '00s. +--- 57870379 +>>57870297 +>>57870219 +>>57870199 +--- 57870393 +>>57870374 +My dude are you okay? +--- 57870402 +>>57870393 +Did you read the first line and assume it was some breakdown or something? + +I'm fine, I'm more worried about you since you've soundly outed yourself as a newfag. +--- 57870405 +>somewhere out there is a 30-something loser spending his sunday soaking his keyboard with tears of rage as he defends a rifle he will never touch, let alone shoot +--- 57870416 +>>57870405 +I like how to "win" you have to pretend I'm somehow angry and crying lmao +--- 57870424 +>>57870402 +> I'm more worried about you since you've soundly outed yourself as a newfag. +only a sigger could post this without any hint of irony. +--- 57870437 +>>57837602 (OP) +MIC grift + +Expect this to get dropped and everyone goes back to the M4 + +>inb4 cope +--- 57870441 +>>57870424 +Only a braindead retard thinks that me pointing out how the gun isn't shit and does exactly what the army asked for somehow makes me a "sigger". + +I don't even own ANY SIG products. + +I've got a Benelli M4 and I'm debating on AR, but haven't made any decisions yet. +--- 57870457 +>>57870441 +>I don't even own ANY SIG products. +you don't own any guns period dude lol +--- 57870471 +>>57870162 +He's retarded. +--- 57870491 +>>57870457 +Besides my Benelli M4 I also have an old Remington 870. + +I live in a state where handgun purchase is dumb and ARs are also restricted and harder to get generic models. + +In this state the only easy guns to buy are shotguns or bolt action rifles. +--- 57870556 +>>57869943 +Which is the inclusivity the modern army wants +--- 57870574 +>>57869958 +>One of the lightest weight BRs ever made for it's capabilities +It’s 13.5lbs. +>and more lethality than either .308 or 6.5meemoor +Not in any practical sense with bullets of similar construction. Explain to me where there is a lethal hit with 6.8 that would not be a lethal hit with the other 2 in the same place. +>both of which can do considerably more against armor than 5.56. +Still requires multiple shots to penetrate + +You didn’t post guns. Hmm I wonder why. Even tiny ones like this are fine. +--- 57870590 +>>57870574 +>It’s 13.5lbs. +loaded, with optic and suppressor and other accessories. + +A fully kitted M4 can push 11+lbs too. +--- 57870597 +>>57870058 +>Because if you don't want M4s on Mars +I do want M4s on Mars. 1911s and M2s +also +--- 57870610 +>>57870086 +>enetrating high tier body armor when it was NEVER intended to do that. +Then why did you bring it up first? You disingenuous faggot +--- 57870631 +>>57870590 +>A fully kitted M4 can push 11+lbs too. +No it can't. +--- 57870632 +>>57870111 +>Who the fuck cares who started it? +Everyone. Because you started it. Then backpedaled faster than primetime could. + +Are you jewish? +--- 57870712 +>>57870491 +>In this state the only easy guns to buy are shotguns or bolt action rifles. +Why aren't you being specific about the state, that narrows it down to a small handful already. +--- 57871359 +>>57837821 +Based af fuck 5.56 nigger amerishits. .30 cal and 8mm Mauser are the lord's caliber +--- 57871642 +>>57870631 +Not him, but yes it can with a Vortex Razor and PEQ-15, RC2, sling, and loaded magazine, it gets a little over 11 pounds. If you replace the Razor with an Aimpoint and the RC2 with the Mini 2, you're back to around 10 pounds. +--- 57871704 +>>57837602 (OP) +This is such an ugly fucking abomination of a gun. It looks like it belongs in that "in-between" era of experimental guns that never took off, except this is the nightmare alternate reality where it did take off and got adopted. +--- 57871722 +>>57870631 +Lmao yes they can, and often do. Try actually being a grunt. +--- 57872107 +>>57870150 +>in a similar size and weight package to 5.56 rifles +If that was the goal they failed +--- 57872140 +>>57870199 +The army also says a man can cut off his dick and be a woman. That doesn’t make it true +--- 57872288 +>a bunch of skinnyfat nerds and obese bubbas reeing at each other about a weapons system they'll likely never put their stubby Cheeto snatchers on because they can't afford it/won't or can't join the military for a litany of psychological and physiological reasons + +Never change /k/, this is why I still come here +--- 57872322 +>>57870297 +>intermediate caliber round, they determined a larger round than 5.56 was needed +>larger +>than intermediate +>nooooooo it’s still intermediate +Post hand and guns +--- 57872341 +>>57870441 +>I've got a Benelli M4 +Then post it +--- 57872359 +>>57870590 +Which is a 23% increase before factoring in mags. It’s another 2.4lbs of ammo with just 6 mags which is a 40% increase +--- 57872457 +>>57837602 (OP) +I'm halfway convinced it was just to have caliber parity with MG adoption +The M250 is legitimately a good upgrade over the 249, and will probably take over the 240 as well just for weight considerations alone +--- 57872522 +It's the inverse of what the marines did by requesting and adopting the M27 to replace the M249 but right after adoption they hoodwinked ordnance and said they're replacing their M4/16s with it instead. +The Army wanted to replace their 308 rifles and GPMG at the same time, so they adopted this. They're not gonna stop using their M4s. +--- 57873155 +>>57839501 +Canada banned a ton of assault rifles by name, but the Tarvor wasn't one of them, so this may be the leaf gun of choice in a few years time. +--- 57873242 +>>57870631 +>being this fucking stupid. +jej diff --git a/k/57838374.txt b/k/57838374.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..3192de30b2e3bae7a00ba6a22cc59d0e6d088ab2 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57838374.txt @@ -0,0 +1,1013 @@ +----- +--- 57838374 +Anybody have the leaked Ukraine documents? I was waiting for the media to get pissed to see if they were legit +--- 57838388 +>>57838374 (OP) +You will not find it on this board dude. A certain country is 10 days from collapsing everyday day here and so on +--- 57838396 +>>57838374 (OP) +Yeah +--- 57838414 +>>57838374 (OP) +Imagine her doing a mission in Africa. But instead of ending up killing the king warlord nigger, she gets captured and raped in a dungeon by a dozen BBCs. +--- 57838421 +>>57838374 (OP) +are you talking about these ones? i thought they were fake too +--- 57838429 +>>57838414 +Mutts law. +--- 57838453 +>>57838388 +kek + +Russia's EMBARRASSING HUMILIATING LOSSES just keep getting further and further west. + +And the documents are real, except for the part about Ukrainian casualties ohnononononono +--- 57838454 +>>57838421 +Why? +You think Vatniks know how to use and format MS Project? +--- 57838456 +>>57838421 +the ones that make russia look bad are fake +--- 57838474 +>>57838374 (OP) +Is that ShoeOnHead? Man she's a lot different since the last time I saw her +--- 57838475 +>>57838388 +hard projection +--- 57838493 +>>57838453 +Russia still hasn't taken Bakhmut and never will +--- 57838511 +>>57838374 (OP) +https://teletype.in/@tysknip/USleak +--- 57838514 +>>57838493 +Bakhmut is still installing the Artmemovsk operating system, its just stuck at 80% and updating since its been turned off for 30 years . +--- 57838516 +>>57838493 +))))), pay close attention during the following couple of weeks. +-From Z +--- 57838522 +>>57838474 +No thats the chick they modeled Mara after in MW 2019. +--- 57838543 +>>57838388 +Kek so true. The leaks basically completely invalidate the entire /k/ike narrative they're pushing here so you'll get banned if you post the original leak. +--- 57838614 +>>57838543 +You mean the ones where Ukraine lost more planes and tanks than they have? +>kek +How to spot a glavset prostitute. +--- 57838616 +>>57838374 (OP) +There is nothing in the leaks concerning the war you wouldn't know if you follow it. There are some interesting international bits: +Serbia selling weapons to UA +Egypt wanting to sell ammunition to Rus +SK considering supplying USA with artillery ammo so the us can move their stocks to ua +--- 57838640 +>>57838453 +The part about UA casualties which was a '1000 hours in paint' edit? +--- 57838678 +>>57838454 +Fair point +--- 57838684 +>>57838374 (OP) +I was the first to post them on /k/ (not the bad Vatnik shoops). +--- 57838689 +>>57838421 +What gets me is it was supposedly some NG fag who leaked them. Really strange to me that some literally who NG zoomer had access to super duper totes top secret stuff relating to another country. That does more to convince me it's "fake" (intentional misinformation) than real. Operation mincemeat without the need for a body because zoomies can't be trusted with jack shit as shown by the many War Thunder leaks over the years. If that wasn't the goal and it's all legit then holy fuck the military's current security is an absolute joke, might as well be an open book to anyone who wants to read it. + +My favorite part is all the Ztards acting like it somehow means Russia isn't bogged down to a near standstill by a notably smaller force. Regardless of the situation it has taken 2/3s of a year to even get halfway into a single city. Russian gains can be measured in single digit miles per month. If instead of Russia it was the US doing this badly every single one of you faggots would rightly be saying we're getting our asses kicked. +--- 57838698 +>>57838421 +THIS LEAK HAS KEKED ME OUT OF + +TOTAL +ZIGGER +DEATH + + +REEEEEEEEEE +--- 57838708 +>>57838374 (OP) +No. Most people on /k/ haven't read them but comment in the threads anyway. The rest of /k/ and the media in general get hard when they play coy, even if they're playing coy with publicly available info. Everyone seems quite happy to give their summary, but apparently it's a step too far when I want to fact check what these arrogant fat cunts are saying +--- 57838716 +>>57838684 +In fairness, they don't contain anything dramatically new, if you follow the war closely and have good OSINT sources like Wolski. + +What is kind of surprising is that they show that Ukraine have receiver only enough new equipment to arm 9 new brigades, while we were being told it was going to be a much higher number. + +Also what the leaks showed were that both the Russians and Ukrainians have less forces engaged than most open sources speculated. +--- 57838733 +>>57838716 +I still can't find the remaining pages. Please post if you have more. + +BTW glowniggers can fuck off. I'm not a US resident. +--- 57838734 +>>57838684 +I guess this is the only part of the leak allowed to be posted on /k/. the "NOT SHOOPED ORIGINAL" page where Ukraine has lowered casualties +--- 57838741 +>>57838689 +He was some kind of an it technician, it guys usually have a wide access to info since they manage the network. Also it's not THAT top secret, not the kind of thing that exposed your agents or compromises critical systems, those are daily briefing info snippets +--- 57838746 +>>57838708 +They were posted a week ago? +--- 57838747 +>>57838733 +--- 57838759 +>>57838734 +UA favored documents predate the Rus photoshops by weeks +--- 57838783 +>>57838759 +Yes, it must be a huge EMBARRASSMENT for anyone to say otherwise. Because that would be believing VATNIK DISINFO. + +EVERYONE on /k/ knows that the original documents favored Ukraine. You don't even need to have been there when it happened, you just know it , because vatniks always lie and anyone who believes vatnik DISINFO is a 5th column /pol/. +--- 57838804 +>>57838783 +https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/04/09/from-discord-to-4chan-the-improbable-journey-of-a-us-defence-leak/ +We both know you're not going to read it but just so you can fuck off +--- 57838824 +>>57838783 +>EVERYONE on /k/ knows that the original documents favored Ukraine. + +Half of the retards here still think the leaks are fake, despite this blowing up in the media and the US DoD pursuing and snagging the leaker. +--- 57838828 +>>57838716 +>Wolski +--- 57838830 +>>57838747 +>>57838733 +>>57838716 +what do these mean? more red squares than green squares bad for ukraine? +--- 57838831 +>>57838374 (OP) +PM'd you +--- 57838845 +>>57838374 (OP) +You missed it. Nothing you find now can be confirmed because there have been hundreds of edits dumped. What's available on the Internet now is too polluted to know what you're looking at. Your last chance was about a week ago ... so, go to the /k/ archives and look for the first posted images, then trace them backwards through other boards & websites to confirm what was originally available. Have fun with that. +--- 57838850 +>>57838684 +Where did you get yours from? +--- 57838864 +>>57838850 +Thug Shaker Central +--- 57838885 +>>57838453 +This poster is true, every week they get 3 feet closer to Kyiv. In 25,000 years Ukraine is FUCKED +--- 57838889 +>>57838543 +What's your opinion on the leaks showing Russia losing 50,000 soldiers? +--- 57838897 +>>57838830 +>what do these mean? more red squares than green squares bad for ukraine? + +Why don't you read a book maybe Zoomie zoom zoom? +You need everything to be spoonfed to little babby brain zoomie? +Open wide zoomie, here comes the aeroplane, say AHHHHHH + +The Russians use different force structure. Ukrainian brigades are much larger units and are represented thus with fewer symbols. + +Plus it literally tells you in the map legend the Russians have 23,000 personnel in Bakhmut vs. 10,000-20,000 for Ukraine who are being constantly rotated. + +I swear, we need mass conscription of the whole Zoomer population to be fed into a ground war with China or something, so that the last 30 years of devolution and dysgenics in the gene pool can be reversed. +--- 57838900 +>>57838747 +This was the fake one, check the obvious shoop on the casualties and aircraft losses. +--- 57838912 +>>57838864 +Telegram. +--- 57838925 +>>57838900 +>This was the fake one, check the obvious shoop on the casualties and aircraft losses. + +Oh shit, you're right. Got mixed into my folder. +--- 57838927 +>>57838912 +Telegram was late to the party, it went through 3 discords first +--- 57838937 +>>57838746 +About 6 pages out of public leak of about 100 and a further 200+ potentially trapped in the Discord +--- 57838949 +>>57838927 +But I'm not a zoomie. +Still, I was the first to post on /k/. + +t. Pikachad. +--- 57838955 +>>57838925 +It's still funny as fuck to look at again. +--- 57838957 +>>57838897 +so which squares are better? If you had to choose a square, what square would you be? I like the brighter red square with the "X" in it :) +--- 57838960 +>>57838949 +tfw I'm on a discord but it's for a boomer game so everyone is 30+ anyway +--- 57838961 +>>57838741 +Still extremely strange that he was just able to casually access and take them. The fact that they hunted down and nabbed the guy could easily just be selling the leak and making it seem more legitimate. Also probably a solid excuse to make an example. Again though, even if it's legit it doesn't really change much to me. The Russians are still gaining shockingly little ground over a disturbingly long time at absurd costs. Bakhmut will be Russia's Isonzo. + +I'd expect secret and top secret stuff to be secured and encrypted in such a way some random NG IT guy wouldn't be able to just casually yoink them or even see what they are. If they're just raw and can be easily accessed by even the NG's IT guys it's not actually a secret. That's a HUGE security issue and would mean it's heinously easy for vodkanig and chink spies to get into. +--- 57838962 +>>57838689 +>supposedly some NG fag +Massachusetts Air National GUard, 21 year old faglord who was posting shit to his gaming discord group since 2020. He was a chairforce wannabe, but not good enough for even that. They had him managing part of a network, with "security clearance" to access servers that general, lower level info was kept on for reference. + +They interviewed some sub-zoomer teen who called him a "father figure," totally into guns, republicans, God, games, and presented himself as an "authority" on the Ukraine war. For the last three years he was impressing teen zoomies with how hard he was in the intelligence community by posting various shit. + +Going out on a limb here and I'll suggest he probably had an abovetopsecret account. Or something(s) similar. The media is already trying to pass him off as some sort of a Snowden-like whistleblower. +--- 57838968 +>>57838955 +Yeh, when I first saw it I knew it was fucky because of the retarded edit to the aircraft losses. I could personally count more visual RU aircraft losses than what the Vatniks claimed. +--- 57838982 +>>57838961 +I'd prefer that the government was this super powerful cabal if 10d strategists, but the truth is it's made of regular people, and the quality of human material gets worse with each generation +--- 57839007 +>>57838824 +I believe the leak is real but there are so many photoshopped versions that the real one is lost in the misinformation +Omg this is just like the Codec call with the AI in MGS2, it’s just like my video games! +--- 57839009 +>>57838957 +Ukrainian mechanized brigades are the top dogs in that theatre. +--- 57839021 +>>57839007 +>real one is lost in the misinformation + +The shoops are primitive and stupid and immediately give away if the document is altered, like here:>>57838747 + +Only morons appear confused, which is actually half of /k/. +--- 57839024 +>>57838421 +POSTING IT IS ILLEGAL AND YOU WILL GO TO JAIL +--- 57839046 +>>57838453 +>bakhmut is west of kherson +this geographic knowledge proves this poster is an actual burger, not an oblastposter +--- 57839205 +>>57838962 +If that's the case he's never seeing daylight that hasn't passed through frosted security glass again lol. If I had some zoomie with "above top secret" clearance working for me in that field meaning they had access to the rawe documents I'd have that little bastard monitored multiple ways for exactly this sort of thing. If he's a patsy he was probably chosen specifically though. Bet the risk of him doing that was painfully obvious. Guys like that don't exactly hide their delusions of grandeur or their desire to be seen as a badass well. A lot of people should be in a world of shit over this if it's been going on for over 3 years and it wasn't planned leaking of misinformation. + +>>57838982 +Keeping secret and top secret stuff encrypted and server access well monitored at bare minimum isn't some super impressive feat. It's incredibly embarrassing that this was even able to happen if it wasn't outright planned. + +Intentionally "leaking" misinformation isn't some super hard thing either btw, it's been bone for ages. The British took it a step further than normal in WWII's Operation Mincemeat though. Dressed of a dead hobo as an officer, loaded him with documentation to make him look legit, and stuffed him with juicy but bad info. Then they stuck him in the ocean at a location where his body would drift to a place someone would surely find him and pass the documents to the Germans. +--- 57839254 +>>57838421 +Isn't it illegal to post this? +--- 57839367 +>>57838889 +much less than the 100k commonly cited +--- 57839403 +>>57839254 +It's illegal to leak them, since they've already leaked though you're not breaking any laws by reposting them. +--- 57839424 +>>57839396 +>muh Joos! +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast +Who are you even kidding Ivan? +--- 57839428 +>>57839396 +Why u always lyin'? +--- 57839440 +>>57839396 +>You get banned you post it here since it doesn't align with the narrative pushed here. + +But the leaks confirmed Pucciya losing 2000 of their most modern MBTs and another 8000 IFVs in addition to 200,000 killed and wounded. +--- 57839465 +I for one welcome our incompetent zoomer army. maybe we'll get our asses kicked for real and stop our worldwide mayhem hobby. +--- 57839475 +>>57839403 +>According to Mr Stransky, the plain text of the Espionage Act does not differentiate between the original source of information, the platform it was leaked on or whether - or not - those sharing it are within the government. + +>Legally speaking, this means that anyone sharing the documents could be "equally liable for breaking the law", he added. +--- 57839478 +>>57839254 +Lol. Lmao even. +Fuck off glowie no one will fall for it. No one would care even if it was true. +--- 57839502 +>>57839475 +If something becomes common knowledge, then the Espionage Act no longer legally applies, since its non-enforcable. +--- 57839513 +Damn, I love the fact that russians are killing themselves by the bushel for free. +--- 57839519 +>>57839367 +Imagine how rabidly the Ztards would jump on the US for KIA numbers that high. Even just 50k casualties including wounded in a year would have them proudly crowing about it. +--- 57839567 +>>57838689 +He was in an intel unit. It’s not that surprising he’d have access to a generic daily briefing +https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/102nd_Intelligence_Wing +--- 57840797 +>>57839205 +>some zoomie with "above top secret" clearance +You've misunderstood the post you replied to. There is a website/conspiracy forum with that name. Among others. Qtarded little shitwits have been using it for decades, and there have been several "incidents" where someone thought they could post there anonymously. + +> Search String: "above top secret forum" +If /pol/ & /x/ had a moron love child, that would be it. Except, it probably predates 4chan & Stormfront and most other similar communities. +--- 57841087 +>>57839367 +Yet much more than in any conflict Russia has participated since World War II. +--- 57841118 +>>57839367 +50k dead you inbred tard. 200k estimated out of action, and 200k men who could’ve worked real jobs back in Russia and save it from disaster holy shit +--- 57841158 +>>57841118 +Going to be a whole lot of fun when they realize all the electricians and plumbers became fertilizer. +--- 57841169 +>>57840797 +Thank you for clarifying, and that's fucking hilarious lol. +--- 57841236 +>>57838374 (OP) +>>57838421 +let's hope the leaks are fake for the glowies sake, it would be a shame if their reports were filled with glaring mistakes like picrel +--- 57842287 +Everything I got was from /pol/, /k/, twitter, a random chinese site, and a random israeli site. +--- 57842311 +There were pictures of some of these on national news broadcast but they were blurred. +--- 57842316 +Which means they were shown to several people in their org. Just like what I'm doing here. +--- 57842348 +How to convince Israel to supply lethal aid to Ukraine +--- 57842355 +>>57838388 +Are you a bot. +No seriously why else would you post the same low effort 1-2 short sentence posts in every thread. +I'm glad you've stopped using /k/ope though you were giving yourself away. +--- 57842358 +Battle damage assessment +--- 57842359 +>muh top secret +Literally the only surprising thing is that the Pentagon claims numbers of soldiers involved are much lower than we all thought +--- 57842368 +Page 2 of 8 from some sort of daily news briefing +--- 57842374 +Black sea sorties +--- 57842381 +I think this is 1 of 8 +--- 57842387 +>>57842322 +This is the only one that seems actually kinda nasty when it leaked. +--- 57842391 +another battle damage assessment +--- 57842400 +3 of 8 +--- 57842410 +>>57838747 +The unedited version +--- 57842414 +>>57842358 +These things have got to have been the groomer faghot larping with partly real product, but mostly his own autism. There's no way any agency or int officer would let an assessment with that many errors in spelling, grammar and terminology. +--- 57842418 +Found this on the Israeli site, never seen it anywhere else or unblurred +--- 57842427 +>>57842387 +Personally I want to see what they mean by Frankensam +They sticking western missiles in IRIS tubes or just bolting them onto the side of the launchers? Lmao. +--- 57842435 +>>57838684 +This map's assessment is for a day earlier +--- 57842445 +more BDA +--- 57842450 +4 of 8 +--- 57842461 +forward lines of troops around Bahkmut +--- 57842482 +ROK 155 delivery timeline +--- 57842494 +Ukraine troops around Bahkmut as assessed by US +--- 57842501 +Russian advance on Bakhmut +--- 57842513 +Bakhmut Topographical Tactical Map +--- 57842518 +CIA Update +--- 57842522 +Daily Intel Update +--- 57842532 +>>57838374 (OP) +Holy shit, what a fucking idiot. +--- 57842533 +>>57842400 +>Artillery unpackaged and stored in an open field +Jesus christ what the fuck KEK +--- 57842541 +Battle for the Donbas Region Likely Heading for a Stalemate through 2023 +--- 57842543 +>>57838830 +>>57838957 +This grimoire contains the secrets of NATO rune magic: +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Joint_Military_Symbology +--- 57842558 +>>57839024 +For undercooking the chicken or overcooking the fish? +--- 57842560 +>>57839024 +Not how that works. +--- 57842562 +That's it aside from close ups of things already posted like picrel +--- 57842588 +others exist but I've not seen them +--- 57842604 +>>57842588 +The glimpse of the satellite hacking one seems interesting. +I told faggots here they were doing more than just jamming satellites. +Shame I can't trust it. +--- 57842617 +>>57838684 +>boomers just printing out stuff then forgetting it on the desk +--- 57842621 +>>57838374 (OP) +>21 year old sad lonely autist spends the rest of his life in Leavenworth because a kid on a minecraft discord server named after a gay black porn meme called him a cuck +lmao +--- 57842634 +>>57839205 +I mean the bongs are actually likely part of this one too. This sort of operational misinformation is literally par for the course and we know they're heavily involved operationally in Ukraine. +--- 57842635 +>>57842427 +FrankenSAM is probably the program to jerry-rig the Buk to fire Sea Sparrows. +--- 57842651 +>>57842518 +Why is Hungary acting like the United States even knows they exist? +--- 57842664 +>>57842651 +Not sure, but today they capitulated and won't be working with a sanctioned Russian bank. + +>BUDAPEST, April 13 (Reuters) - Hungary's government has decided to withdraw its representatives from the Russia-controlled International Investment Bank (IIB) and will quit it, the Economic Development Ministry said on Thursday. + +>The decision comes a day after the United States imposed sanctions on three top officials of IIB in Budapest: two Russians and a Hungarian. + +>Despite agreeing to withdraw from the bank, Hungary expressed frustration at being pushed to do so. + +>The Czech Republic, Poland and Slovakia have completed their withdrawal from the IIB, while Romania will exit in June. At the end of January, Hungary held a 25.27% stake in IIB, the second biggest stake after Russia with 45.44% according to the bank's website. +--- 57842700 +>>57842651 +There's a few govt sinecures trying to nag them gay +--- 57842788 +>>57842374 +This is the one with the most interesting piece of info, but everyone glossed over it because it just looks like air deconfliction and sortie info. The UK nearly had a drone I haven't heard of before shot down. +--- 57842808 +>>57838429 +She's got black in her anyway so nothing of value would be lost if she got railed by a pack of wild BBC's +--- 57842817 +>>57838962 +>Going out on a limb here and I'll suggest he probably had an abovetopsecret account. +I think ATS is bit too boomerish for 21 year old zoomers. That forum is older than him. + +>>57840797 +>Except, it probably predates 4chan & Stormfront and most other similar communities. +It predates 4chan, but not Stormfront. + +>>57842427 +>They sticking western missiles in IRIS tubes +IRIS-T SL is western system. IRIS-T is Kraut/Italian/Swedish short to medium-ish range IR-AAM with surface launched version and longer range radar guided surface launched version under development. + +>>57842621 +Leavenworth isolation cells created broken MANning. I wonder how zoomie will handle it. +--- 57842834 +>>57842788 +UK RC-135W Rivet Joint +--- 57842853 +>>57842788 +>>57842834 +seems like this was reported on already and it was a plane not a drone. + +>LONDON, Oct 20 (Reuters) - A Russian fighter jet released a missile near an unarmed British spy plane patrolling in international airspace over the Black Sea on Sept. 29, UK defence minister Ben Wallace said, in an apparent accident and not a deliberate escalation of tensions. +--- 57842893 +>>57842853 +>>57842834 +Then it's further evidence that the leak is partly real and partly autism larp fiction by the groomer kid, or evidence that RC135 is optionally crewed (ie that RJ 41BLK is a drone RC135 you've never heard of). The sortie info for September says there were no manned UK sorties. +--- 57842979 +>>57842322 +>Ukraine has 700 SA-3s in storage +Interesting +--- 57843000 +>>57842817 +>manning wasn't a histrionic homo before imprisonment +yeah +--- 57843020 +>>57842817 +>MANning +He joined the Air Force because of his dysphoria and thought that an overwhelming masculine environment would force him to be manly. + +Also, Manning was sentenced to 35 years which was commuted by Obama so only served 7 years. I bet this kid gets longer because of the racist slurs on video. +--- 57843036 +>>57839205 +But these docs aren't printouts of something off a server. They're printed on high-quality heavy stock and folded into quarters as though intended to be carried in a briefcase. +--- 57843051 +>>57838962 +>exposing top secret information to an alt-right zoomer discord tranny +lmao, exactly who in the IC thought this was a good idea? +--- 57843057 +>>57842501 +See, shit like this isn't classified. Herr Panzerface gave us a rundown on this a month ago. Multiple axes of advance with no apparent coordination between them -- he identified five, not three, and his disdain was apparent. +--- 57843058 +>>57842979 +700 missiles 5 fixed sites to fire from with 40 km range. +>Non-mobile, fixed sited. Least capable SAM system +--- 57843127 +>>57843020 +>Air Force +>overwhelming masculine environment +kek +--- 57843168 +>>57843000 +He was and still is certainly a faggot. +>>57843020 +Dude was in Army. +>>57843051 +We are talking about military intelligence here. It has reputation for being a oxymoron. +--- 57843186 +>>57838421 +legis this page is the crux. Presumably Russia can tell what Ukrainian unit is where at minimum which gives away much of the game. Of this is an amazing super convincing psyop but I really doubt that given apparently a real US citizen is being held responsible +--- 57843230 +>>57838421 +What are the XXX tanks by country TBD +--- 57843243 +>>57841118 +>>57841118 +Still. Much. Less. Than. The. Hundreds. Of. Thousands. Khokhole. Propaganda. Claimed. +Capisce??? +Also more importantly, according to the leak, Ukraine will be out of S300 missiles by May. That's huge, Russia will finally have air superiority. It's over. Can't fucking wait. +--- 57843273 +>>57843243 +When has any official Ukrainian source ever claimed hundredS of thousands KIA +--- 57843430 +>>57838421 +Yikes, they really aren't ready for a spring offensive +The constant rain keeping the mud in place is definitely god looking out for them +--- 57843442 +>>57843430 +looks like the plan was for the spring offensive to start two weeks ago +--- 57843513 +>>57843230 +Something to do with smuggling of pornography and spreading degeneracy. Perfidious Anglos did this Netherlands in 1944, effects are still felt today. Their most important tourist attraction is fucking red light district and entire fucking country copes with by 24/7 420 blaze it. +--- 57843539 +>>57843273 +He's a Turdworlder that doesnt know the difference between KIA and Casualties +If you assume the standard 1 to 3 casualtie rate conversion using the Leaked KIA numbers then the Official Ukrainian Estimate of Russian casualties is quite accurate (like 150k) +--- 57843823 +>>57843230 +>ussia will finally have air superiority. It's over. Can't fucking wait. +AHAHAHAHAHAH +--- 57843877 +>>57838474 +Holy shit, Alex is actually ShoeOnHead??? +--- 57843945 +>>57843243 +This. Post. Is. Seething. So. Hard. Kek. +What you're seeing anon, is the casualties for a section of the front. Specifically Bahkmut. +Sorry to ruin your fun. +--- 57843987 +>>57843945 +below the casulty numbers it says that Russia lost 6000 vehicles +they didn't lose that in Bakhmut alone, even Oryx claims that they lost 10000 vehicles in the entire war +therefore it is for the entire war +--- 57844029 +>>57838543 +have you actually read the docs? Im now even more convinced russia is fucked +>>57838747 +>>57842410 +why keep posting this page specifically when a much better page exists for losses specifically, picrel +--- 57844037 +>>57844029 +--- 57844079 +>>57838374 (OP) +>virgin boomer: selling pentagon secrets to appease your shitty venezualan wife and buy a jaguar +>chad zoomer: taking pictures of internal memos in order to win arguments on discord while youre living in your moms basement +--- 57844083 +>>57838421 +They are partly edited. + +Basically: the documents are real. What's on them, not necessarily. Some of those posted documents for example state Russian MoD propaganda numbers that we know for a fact aren't true as being the case. I.e. some of the edited numbers gave Russia 7:1 K/D... which is completely unrealistic. + +The unedited version gives 2.5 K/D in favor of Ukraine. + +>>57843430 +Mud season doesn't end until late May. The Ukrainians should know that. +--- 57844131 +my hotwife :) +--- 57844175 +>>57843020 +What video ? Have a link ? +--- 57844185 +if it was this easy for a random nobody to print out these plans and leak them for bragging rights on a discord, then russian and chinese intelligence already had access to this +I don't think they learned anything new, but it's embarassing for the usa +--- 57844707 +>>57844185 +That makes me think the poor bastard was a designated fall guy, and he fell for it. They don't give two shits about enlisted, and will fuck him over just to make sure that the enemy gets bad information. At least the bongs were kind enough to use a dead guy in WWII. + +Unless this kid volunteered for this... +--- 57844971 +Some of these documents are very out of date. Wish he had leaked recent stuff only +--- 57845035 +>>57842322 +The rest of the leaks if true are very positive for Ukraine except this. This is very worrying, but it is 2 months out of date hopefully they have had missiles/systems delivered since +--- 57845413 +>>57845035 +Ziggers like to bring this up all the time, but has everyone forgotten how many AA systems NATO has sent to Ukraine? It's literally a testing ground for anyone wanting to test their shit +--- 57845708 +>>57844175 +His underage discord "friend" gave an interview with wapo or something and described the video of him saying racist and antisemitic words then shooting guns. +--- 57845810 +>>57844037 +Russia has a K/D ratio above one, as long as you include civilian deaths. +--- 57846235 +>>57845708 +ok he's 100% fucked lol +--- 57846864 +>>57845708 +literally /ourguy/ +--- 57846996 +>>57842543 +Is that "do not microwave" or "drycleaner only?" +Asking for a friend. +--- 57847055 +>>57838374 (OP) +Who OP qt3.14? Sauce please +--- 57847095 +>>57845035 +The multitude of short-medium systems they've received are surely enough to continue to protected areas against drone swarms and cruise missiles. + +The S-300s are not surprising as Ukraine doesn't manufacture missiles for it - they were bound to run out as most pieces of that platform were USSR hand-me-downs. Other ex combloc countries can help backfill but likely it will provide impetus for Patriots to be provided to fill in that long range gap in the bubble. While the long range cruise missile launches are still taking place, their impact is not that large in the grand scheme of things. Russian Kalibers/Kinzhals whatever the fuck are likely being depleted at a similar rate as Ukraine expends BUK/S300s, and it doubtful Russia has deep pockets with those sort of PGMs. +--- 57847134 +>>57838493 +One elevator at a time. +--- 57847190 +>>57838374 (OP) +Id like to shoot a load (of semen from my cock) into this woman's vagina if you know what I mean +--- 57847249 +>>57842368 +None of you cumstains cares that Putin is undergoing Chemotherapy as of early March? + +This has a FISA warning on it too. So this was maybe picked up for phone conversations being recorded? +--- 57847439 +>>57847249 +>implying anyone reads these things instead of just looking at pictures +--- 57847512 +>>57847439 +literally me +--- 57847628 +>>57842322 +>Courses of Action: +>Military Deception +kek +--- 57849071 +>>57838453 +What about the page that says Ukraine is loosing 7 men to every Russian? +How about western SF's operating in Ukraine and they still can't win? +How about spring offensive getting pushed back to summer? +You retards actually believe the Pentagon leaker leaked the documents then photo shopped it to make it look like Russia is winning? +--- 57849103 +>>57849071 +DO NOT REEDEEMEE SIR +--- 57850403 +>>57842322 +What the fuck is "Project FrankenSAM"? +--- 57850498 +>>57850403 +Slapping sea sparrows on BUK’s. +--- 57850856 +>>57839367 +casualties do not mean only KIA you dumb fucking shit +--- 57850924 +>>57844707 +you are way overthinking it. If intelligence apparatus bureaucrats had even a quarter of the "god works in mysterious ways" power level paranoid tard on the net claim the world would be a very different place right now. This goes for everybody, specially the asiatic face saving shitbirds like vatnigs and chinks that have a in built motive to lie to themselves on every level of the machine +--- 57850932 +>>57838374 (OP) +Got you famurai +--- 57850946 +>>57847249 +>cares that Putin is undergoing Chemotherapy as of early March? +he has been sick for a while. His bloated face has been the ground of making fun of him ever since the start of the war dumbass +--- 57850956 +>>57838374 (OP) +https://gall.dcinside.com/mgallery/board/view/?id=war&no=3271888 +--- 57851050 +>>57850956 +nice, a bunch not posted here already +--- 57851059 +>>57838388 +Haiti? +--- 57851084 +>everyone once-again forgotten that top secret doesn't always mean 'omg literally no one can know about this or were all dead' tier shit +--- 57851114 +>>57838804 +Bellingcat is strait up cia propaganda +--- 57851184 +>>57847055 +https://www.youtube.com/@Alex_zedra +--- 57851218 +>>57839367 +If I recall, it listed KIA and for bakhmut only +--- 57851235 +>>57838374 (OP) +what is the appeal of "manly" grils who pretend to like guns? is it so you can feel less gay about wanting to fuck guys? +--- 57851253 +>>57851235 +If you think a woman stops being a woman because they aren't a dainty delicate wallflower wholly incapable of fundamental life tasks, you're kind of just a piece of shit. +--- 57851261 +>>57851253 +you into bodybuilding bitches bud? +--- 57851331 +>>57838421 +looks like a lot of the equipment and training isn't ready for the spring offensive..I guess they better call of the distraction of bank collapse/ food crisis / toxic rail disaster they were planning. Here is a gay nigga - he's an army one. He attacks anuses with his tougue.. +--- 57851364 +>>57851261 +If you think the girl in the webm is a "bodybuilding bitch" you're delusional, anon, I'm sorry. +--- 57851397 +>>57838374 (OP) +This chick is sad. Last year she was mad because the dude who lives above her makes a lot of noise. Imagine doing all the e-whoring she's done but still being stuck in an apartment. +--- 57851568 +>>57842355 +I hope congressional offices are called and asked why US foreign policy is reactive to Israel. SAMs are the weapon that will incite a overwhelming response UA can't withstand. +--- 57851829 +>>57842461 +Look at that scale. I've seen boy scout jamborees with a bigger AO. Can those faggots stop sucking each other off long enough to move the lines? +--- 57851842 +>>57842418 +Fucking kikes. How quickly would this end if more Americans knew who was behind it. +--- 57851892 +>>57838689 +>you faggots would rightly be saying we're getting our asses kicked +indiscriminately slaughtering sand niggers and waging a "brothers war" are not the same +--- 57851981 +>>57851892 +Don't try to bullshit your way out of admitting Russia's getting it's shit kicked in. +--- 57852032 +Russia, Europe, & Eurasia +--- 57852047 +>>57852032 +--- 57852059 +EU Northern Ireland Africa +--- 57852070 +Wagner/Vagner in Africa; Western Hemisphere Bolivia; Cyber China +--- 57852084 +Russia stuff +--- 57852094 +China +--- 57852109 +Near East; Africa +--- 57852117 +Africa +--- 57852130 +Latin America +--- 57852131 +>>57852070 +Ty homie +--- 57852149 +this might be summaries of things already posted + +and that's it +--- 57852218 +Thank you for the docs. +they will be an interesting read. +--- 57852235 +>>57842335 +Lmao "it's not "failing" it's just not working because of two failures in parts" +--- 57852796 +Maybe I'm retarded, but I've skimmed these docs and I'm not seeing anything we didn't already know or suspect. Am I missing something? +--- 57852808 +>>57852796 +Nope. It's a power point of the most surface level bullshit- nobody except retards are excited about it. +--- 57852971 +>>57852796 +The internet has resulted in open source intelligence that would blow the minds of central warplanners in WWII. +--- 57853111 +>>57852796 +>reads list of special forces operating in ukraine +>"but i knew that" +crawl out of your own ass +--- 57853279 +>>57853111 +Less likely operating operationally against russians and more likely doing training and checking that the ukrainians are just selling war aid on the black market (remember the short-lived outrage when it turned out some stuff was being sold off instead of going to the front). But people see SOF mentioned and think of the Navy Seals movie. +--- 57853508 +>>57839475 +The espionage act is sufficiently unconstitutional for the government to avoid getting it nullified by abusing it. Courts have held that the first amendment protects the publication of classified info. Anyone suggesting otherwise is a disinformation agent, and even thinking that some nonsense secret squirrel circlejerk by illegitimate 3 letter agencies should be able to govern the behavior of US citizens is as unamerican as it gets. Of course, the government has previously illustrated its ability to ruin people's lives with no legal standing through procedural abuse, but you DO have the constitutional right to share it so long as the intent is to inform. +--- 57853667 +>>57839475 +IS THIS WHY ALL THE UK GUARDIAN STAFF AND EDITORS WENT TO PRISON FOR LIFE AFTER THE SNOWDEN LEAKS? +--- 57853687 +>>57853619 +meds +--- 57853729 +>>57839021 +>Only morons appear confused +But those are the numbers Fox News ran with. 7 to 1 casualties in favor of Russia. Are you saying Fox News ran Russian military disinfo or something? +--- 57853741 +>>57853717 +I remember this particular piece of psyop from early weeks of the war. +--- 57853913 +>>57853111 +I knew British special forces were there because why wouldn’t we be, we’re perfidious Albion after all +--- 57853924 +>>57853698 +How many mobniks is that car worth? 30,000? More? +--- 57853928 +haha, idiot hohol does not realize that earth is round, every time we "retreat" glorious motherland is actually advancing +--- 57853954 +>>57853698 +>>57853717 +Again, meds. +--- 57854110 +>>57849071 +Which page is that I only have the one showing twice as many dead russians +--- 57854131 +>>57854024 +>Hersh +Don’t this guy thinks that the Knights of Malta secretly control the US army? +--- 57854414 +>>57854190 +>doesnt this nigger say theres only 10,000 wounded UA soldiers +No? He said that Ukraine had about 100.000 casualties back in November. Like, are you retard? +--- 57855957 +>>57842340 +What is this retardation, are they unironically not even trying to get real numbers because it'd be too sensitive +--- 57855987 +>>57853619 +Why did you put a UK flag on him? +--- 57855996 +What are the special forces doing in Ukraine? Clearly none have been captured or they'd be paraded. +--- 57855997 +>>57850403 +firing sam hydes +--- 57856079 +>>57841118 +>200k men who could’ve worked real jobs back in Russia and save it from disaster holy shit. + +..but hey..at least Putin is scared to leave the house. (sorry apparently Im an out of touch boomer now and can only offer cheap quips) +--- 57856097 +>>57853111 +>Less than 100 people +That's enough to provide security to the diplomatic/logistics oversight people we have there + some trainers, if they were actually involved in combat/spooky shit in anyway there would be way more. New to no one. +--- 57856111 +>>57855996 +Mix of security for whatever the US still has over there diplomatically, trainers and probably some liaison types for passing on US Intel/picking up captured Russian shit the glowies wanna look over. +--- 57856120 +>both sides suffered heavy losses fighting over a tiny backwater town in the middle of nowhere +>nobody is winning +>no change likely in the near future +>this is somehow top secret intelligence +--- 57856141 +>>57856120 +That's not all anon, we also found out that the US government is spying on everyone, not just enemy nations! +--- 57856156 +>>57853619 +Right wing memes used to be so good, now they’re just like shopping 20 boosters and a pride flag onto what you don’t like. They’re like a retarded picture book version of leftoid wall of text memes +--- 57856181 +>>57853928 +kek +--- 57856207 +>>57856156 +Today's /pol/acks aren't the same "right wing" you're thinking of. Basically the equal yet opposite of you average blue haired landwhale or screeching onions swilling retard. +--- 57856368 +>>57856207 +I guess it was more 4chan memes being good before we got flooded with facebook boomers +--- 57856395 +>>57853111 +did you actually believe there are no SF on standby in Ukraine ? watching/protecting advisor? preparing US visits? watching stuff like US embassy? waiting to evacuate some tar American? Picking up abadooned equipment and collecting SIGINT? Doin the shit jobs? + +what... +--- 57856419 +>>57856156 +This isn't a "Right Wing" meme this is some glavset IRA communist faggot in Russia's idea of what a right wing meme is. +--- 57856810 +We will know in one year. +--- 57857479 +>>57855997 +lel +--- 57860088 +>>57856097 +Never said they were involved in combat, learn to read. And no, you didn't know there were special forces there +>>57856395 +Never said there were no special forces in Ukraine, learn to read +--- 57860436 +>>57860088 +so... it means nothing? +--- 57862275 +>>57843186 +So the US knows what and which units are being raised by the Ukraine military outside of Ukraine and this makes you presume Russia also knows? Why? +--- 57862472 +>>57838716 +To be fair the documents are dated to January and February. And the info used may be older than that. You'd have to use what the documents show and add in newer developments to bring it up to date. +--- 57862503 +>>57838708 +>>57838937 +Only like 10 pages or so have been saved from the original and published is why. Most of what was leaked stayed on the Thug Shaker Central Orthodox Christianity server and with their members. +--- 57862543 +>>57839367 +You lost 50k men in a year instead of 100k. Congratulations. You want a medal? +--- 57862620 +>>57855957 +It means they can only get numbers that are partial at best with a lot of effort on their own part. Basically, the Russians and Ukrainians aren't giving their numbers. +--- 57862671 +>57851842 +Unironic bot post. +--- 57862762 +>>57844083 +How likely is that the casualty numbers don't count the separatists and mercenaries? +--- 57862810 +>>57851184 +>>57838374 (OP) +She looks like Italian fit curvy porn slut Megan Fiore but with light eyes. +--- 57862857 +>>57839513 +damn i wanna buy a cadillac now +--- 57862889 +>>57838374 (OP) +A woman would think Kriss Vectors are good. +--- 57862905 +>>57852032 +What the hell is "The Farm"? It doesn't seem to be Prighozin's troll farms. +--- 57862943 +>>57852047 +Oh boy, this fucking brief. This really should be posted more. + +>On 21 February, FSB officials claimed the Defense Ministry was excluding the deaths of soldiers fighting with the Russian National Guard, Vagner, Chechen leader Kadyrov's mercenaries and other unnoficial organizations. They calculated the actual number of Russians wounded and killed in action was closer to 110,000. + +The Ruskies have lost more than 50k dead haven't they? Imagine the state of the separatists then... +--- 57862972 +>>57852059 +LMAO UN being progressive little shits fucking things up again. +--- 57862993 +>>57860088 +https://nypost.com/2022/03/16/ukrainians-got-secret-cia-training-after-russias-crimea-invasion/ + +SF and CIA spooks have always been there, it's literally nothing new. +--- 57863009 +>>57852070 +>US experts think Lula will help "curb" the communist faggotry Arce is doing in Bolivia at Evo Morales' behest +Lmao so much for all that Ivy League education. +--- 57863216 +>>57853741 +I like that the source is a fucking anonymous ESL person on a social media site named "Wignat Woodcock" who starts the post by saying he knows a guy in a PMC and no more details. I also like how this anonymous social media profile says Russia is using lots of conscripts even though the Russian military can't use conscripts without a declaration of war hence their constant problems with lack of manpower and recruitment for the war. +--- 57863328 +>>57856395 +looks like the Indian members of the Ukrainian Foreign Legion is hard at work... +--- 57863393 +>>57862993 +You're not reading my post +You're not reading your own links +You expect me to believe you've read and understood these top secret documents? +--- 57863469 +>>57851253 +They dont physically stop being a female human. They just dont embody any sort of feminine virtue or worth. +--- 57863486 +>>57839009 +I like the paint job :) +--- 57863661 +>>57838374 (OP) +shes cute , the tattoos are kinda dumb , but as a millennial Ive come to expect them from the women in my age group +--- 57864068 +>>57863661 +at least its a sleeve and not those tiny tattoos women put randomly over there body. +--- 57864301 +>>57842322 +If western deliveries of AD systems don't ramp up to match Russian volume, this is the one I can see that will break Ukraine. That loss of long range is going to badly hurt. Best course of action barring that is diverting resources away from defending civilian infrastructure but that gets bad for politics even for the most zealous of defenders. +--- 57864911 +>>57842418 +>even Mossad is seething over the judicial reform +I knew we were in for some keks when Netanyahu picked James Mason's Jewish counterpart as the second most powerful man in the country. +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir +--- 57865277 +>>57856156 +Right wing memes were never good. It's just that left wingers can't meme, and so anti-left memes were. +--- 57866042 +>>57842543 +Wheeled mounted infantry. Idk what the line running vertically at the left side denotes. +--- 57866237 +>>57864068 +I saw a flabby 50 year old with a butterfly on her upper back/neck area while shopping. God damn how long have women been doing this? I almost laughed out loud +--- 57866306 +>>57853729 +Sure dude +--- 57866315 +>>57850932 +>Black History +That's what got me +--- 57867431 +>>57842617 +Actually, chunky, they were retrieved from a burn bag. That lazy millenial ass failed at his job ensuring their destruction. Behaviour that pretty much sums up todays generation. +--- 57868268 +>>57866042 +its called a gun modifier, it means the thing has a gun, no line = no gun. if thats american it would be an M1117. if its ukraine could be a BTR +--- 57870339 +>>57842322 +where is iris-t located? +--- 57870920 +>>57839024 +no, it is illegal for the first guy, not the second. +--- 57871507 +>>57866237 +>I saw a flabby 50 year old with a butterfly on her upper back/neck area while shopping. God damn how long have women been doing this? +A lot are getting tattoos in their 40s now that it's more socially acceptable, but to answer your question an upper back tattoo was a thing in the 2000s. She could have got it when she was in her 30s. +Speaking of which, did all the guys with tribal tattoos get them lasered off or just died from OD? +--- 57872331 +>>57864911 +Lmao this guy's biography is a piece of fucking work. We really need to just let the jews and goat fuckers duke it out, they deserve each other. +--- 57872389 +>>57872331 +Meir Kahane, the guy's mentor, literally looks like a Jewish George Lincoln Rockwell kek +--- 57872551 +>>57872389 +Guy went nuts because of commies giving the typical commie treatment to their jewish population. Jews running from the USSR is a common origin story of these extreme-zionist figures. diff --git a/k/57839204.txt b/k/57839204.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..3b2930beb054ee3c968299453cbe3ea11d9c6533 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57839204.txt @@ -0,0 +1,1384 @@ +----- +--- 57839204 +whats your go to simplistic cheap but effective watch for a shtf scenario + +mine currently is the casio w-218h picrel +22 dollars functions all the same as a gshock +--- 57839309 +F-91W is the ultimate shtf watch +>battery 10 years, you will die before your watch +>small led, no EL that gives you away +>so slim it will never be caught on anything +>women love it +>can be used as a bomb timer +gshocks and casioaks are just tryharding gay navy seals too much and don't even get you on the list +--- 57839375 +>>57839342 +the cursed f91w government agent mod +--- 57839390 +>>57839309 +>10 years, you will die before your watch +... wat +>>57839204 (OP) +Honestly a mechanical watch with a decent movement will last longer. You can get them with service intervals longer than 10 years, and you can just keep using them. +Honestly a slim dive watch is smarter than an electric that will run out eventually. You could argue for a solar, but you'll need a steel bracelet anyway since those resin bands crap out over time. +--- 57839472 +>>57839204 (OP) +Rolex with nato strap +--- 57839497 +>>57839472 +why would you wear a rolex into such a situation + +>>57839390 +my worry with mechanical watches is one bad hit and the arms will get fucked up or the movement will get fucked up thus the superiority of the digital watch +--- 57839518 +>>57839472 +good tatse +--- 57839529 +>>57839497 +Theyre rugged, and if shtf why would you leave a rolex behind? +--- 57839538 +>>57839204 (OP) +>Not solar +>No radio + +Poors +--- 57839555 +>>57839497 +>why would you wear a rolex into such a situation +not him, but people often forget that Rolex' are made to be tool watches. They were always expensive in the same sense that ANY piece of precision equipment made for professionals is expensive. Just because their market shifted from Mariners needing Marine Chronometers to richfags trying to show off doesn't change what they were designed for. +--- 57839583 +>>57839555 +>>57839497 +sure I guess I didnt take it that rolex made rugged watches but even then why do you want a $5000 watch that does the exact same thing as a $20 watch like id be worried that 5k watch is gonna break that 20 dollar watch is replacable +--- 57839588 +>>57839583 +my friend, shit has hit the fan +--- 57839589 +>>57839497 +>my worry with mechanical watches is one bad hit and the arms will get fucked up or the movement will get fucked up +Mechanical Watches are designed to be rugged. They're self-winding, you shake them to wind up their mainsprings, they are designed to handle a high level of G-forces. NASA Astronauts didn't take quartz watches to the moon, they took Omega Speedmasters +--- 57839592 +I like my Suunto +--- 57839612 +>>57839583 +>id be worried that 5k watch is gonna break +trust me, that 5k watch aint gonna break, they're not made of Chinesium like your $20 watches are. +--- 57839613 +>>57839309 +>Women love it +--- 57839615 +>>57839497 +>is one bad hit +Proper dive watches are rated against, shock, vibration, and, particularly better than resin bands, pulls against the bracelet. I always wear a watch, exclusively mechanical, and it's not a problem, even when you are doing real shit like working on cars/machinery and shooting guns. Also the lume is nice compared to trading battery life for being able to read your watch during half of all the time ever. +--- 57839629 +Mine +--- 57839642 +>>57839629 +Is that on a proper nato strap or is it a look alike? There's alot of rings on it +--- 57839656 +I have a F91W with a broken strap in my range bag. For everyday wear, I have an older Seiko SNK and a hand me down TAG Heuer Link, neither of which are SHTF. +But then again, how long is this SHTF is going to last and how accurate does my watch need to be? My TAG is off by a few minutes a month, so it's "good enough" in that regard despite never having been serviced in the past 20 years +I have been looking at getting a G shock though. I like how this one looks and it's one of the few 2100 that doesn't have a negative display. +--- 57839658 +>>57839642 +Chink knockoff +--- 57839662 +>>57839583 +>>57839497 +the Rolex Submariner is a tool watch designed for, as the name implies, navigation on the open ocean. They are required to pass various industry standard tests like COSC and ISO 6425. They are generally put under way more scrutiny than your cheap dollar store watches +--- 57839674 +>>57839204 (OP) +F-91w or F-105w +--- 57839696 +>>57839658 +If it works it works, I just always recommend a nato strap because it retains both springbars. If one breaks the watch head doesn't fall away. +--- 57839708 +>>57839612 +>>57839662 +you say that like g-shocks arent tough watches as it stands or even the standard casio watches +--- 57839732 +>>57839708 +and you're talking like rolex watches are built like Timex watches +--- 57839844 +>>57839204 (OP) +>>57839592 +Any triple sensor watch so long as you keep your altimeter calibrated would be useful for single-point resection assuming you live somewhere with meaningful elevation changes, but given they aren't shooting GPS/GLONASS out of the sky during civil unrest I plan on using my foretrex 401 and the six extra lithium AAAs I keep in an admin pouch in my backpack. +>inb4 autism, I have topo printouts and know how to use a map and compass too +--- 57839962 +>>57839589 +The last manned mission to the moon was in 1972 you retard. The first commercial quarts watch only hit the market in late 1969 after the first 2 moon landings had already happened. +--- 57840002 +>>57839962 +Okay and? The watches still passed NASAs certification and made the trip +--- 57840029 +>>57839629 +Nice. I'm only shocked(G) that it only has M battery with PS on. +Do you have the light on autio? +--- 57840049 +>>57839844 +>GPS/GLONASS +This is your threadly reminder that gps/glonass use ground sourced updates for coordination of their own clocks. If those end the accuracy will wander to kilometers from meter in a few months. +--- 57840078 +>>57840002 +>The watches still passed NASAs certification +They were the only option on the market at the time you retard. That really isn't an achievement, and doesn't justify their use use over the much more cost effective options that exist today. +--- 57840088 +I hate quartz watches because changing the batteries on them every year is a pain in the ass. I had to take mine to a Jewler every time because its meant to be water resistant and so every time the battery is swapped you also needed to swap the rubber gasket sealing it. I've had my Seiko 5 for a couple years now and I've never done any maintainance on it and she just keeps on ticking and keeping good time +--- 57840137 +>>57839204 (OP) +Cheapest G-Shock I can find at Walmart. If I want something special I'd wear a Tag Heuer Formula 1x S my company gave me for a gift at 10 years.. I also was given a 5 year Bulova watch that has two small diamonds and an emerald to represent our company I use specifically at company meetings. +Point being, wear cheap shit that works lol +--- 57840160 +>>57840088 +>I hate quartz watches because changing the batteries on them every year is a pain in the ass. +What the fuck is your watch doing to burn through batteries that quickly? +--- 57840163 +Why do you need to know the time in a shtf scenario? +--- 57840170 +>>57839204 (OP) +Citizen Eco-drive. I don't have to change the batteries but get the accuracy and durability of a quartz movement. +--- 57840180 +>>57840034 +Hell yeah Invicta sub bro +--- 57840204 +>>57840160 +The reason for the shit battery life is probably because it used an analog clock face instead of a digital LCD, since those always burn betteries much quicker. +My dream watch I eventually want to get is a Seiko Springdrive. It has the reliability and accuracy of quarts, with the mechanical nuance and perpectual nature of an automatic. +--- 57840220 +Any casio is good. +--- 57840225 +>>57839204 (OP) +>F-91W +I have been wearing these for maybe 8 years now. +The fucking pin that holds the band into place is fucking trash. It lasts maybe 6 months under extremis. +I don't know why I keep buying these things. It is a design flaw. Everything else is solid but its a critical fail. + +looking for suggestions on a new watch. They are not the hype. +--- 57840259 +>>57840049 +Yes, that's why you have (and train with) backups for all your gear. I don't see how things like that should stop you from using GPS, starting fires with a bic, using pre-made tent stakes, etc., etc. +--- 57840283 +>>57840204 +I used to have a Timex analog watch that went a good 4-5 years without needing a replacement battery. +--- 57840301 +>>57840049 +Sauce? Big if true. The preppers I've interacted with have always acted like the satellites will always work short of them being shot down. +--- 57840325 +>>57840049 +>>57840259 +Your watch doesn't need GPS to help you navigate. You just need to know what time it is in Greenwich, England vs what your local time is and then count the difference in hours by 20 degrees longitude (from clockwise if east of Greenwich, from anticlockwise if west) and it's accurate within 20 degrees. You can then use the position of the north star to determine your latitude. Thats literally why the first modern mechanical clocks were invented. Some watches have an extra hour hand you're meant to set to GMT for this exact purpose. +--- 57840338 +>>57839962 +speedmasters are still used in outer space btw. digital displays and batteries don’t do so well in the extreme temperatures of space, so mechanical watches are still the go to choice. + +it’s a reliable backup and seeing how habitual pilots and astronauts can be, we will probably continue to see them using these things for decades to come. +--- 57840393 +>>57839589 +lol what a retard +You gonna argue the battle of Verdun was fought with mechanical so it makes them superior to quartz next? +--- 57840397 +>>57840225 +You can buy a bunch of springbars super cheap on ebay or Amazon. I'd suggest you get a nato strap as well for >>57839696 reasons. It would have to be a super thin nato strap though because the springbars on those don't provide much clearance +--- 57840442 +>>57840325 +>within 20 degrees +That gives you an equatorial positional accuracy of like, 1000 miles. +>>57840301 +>Sauce? Big if true +How do you think GPS works? GPS doesn't tell you where you are, it sends out timing signals of absurd accuracy, which are synchronized. You know how far you are from the satellites by the minute differences in the time signature of the various satellites signals and thus know where you are on the earth. If these timing signals are not regularly synchronized then the system drifts, not because their clocks are bad, but because the timing is so precise. +https://www.gps.gov/applications/timing/#:~:text=Each%20GPS%20satellite%20contains%20multiple,receiver%20to%20the%20atomic%20clocks. +It mentions the synchronized time system. +I had to deal with this BS when I was doing seismogrophic support, as the ground stations used GPS for timing. +--- 57840444 +Used Rolex Oyster for $1200. Don't know why people buy $5000 meme watches or cope with $200 shocks. Either buy the Oyster or be happy with the $15 F91W. Anything else is cope. + +Only notable exception being the Amphibia. +--- 57840477 +>>57839204 (OP) +The one on my wrist. Currently using whatever the cheapest Casio on the shelf at Walmart was a decade ago (not the F-91W). The original band broke and the plastic cover over the screen has some deep gouges in it now, but otherwise it has worked just fine. +--- 57840481 +>>57840442 +Also +Lööm +--- 57840494 +>>57840088 +>doesn't service his mechanical watch in years +Well you should +>changes battery every year +Yo wtf +--- 57840498 +>>57840442 +>That gives you an equatorial positional accuracy of like, 1000 miles. +It depends on the latitude, if you want more accuracy, you just do the same thing but instead of setting your current time to your timezone, you instead set it yourself based on your exact local time (just set your watch to 12 noon whenever the sun is highest in the sky) and you can use more precise measurements. Its still a good skill to have when SHTF +--- 57840523 +>>57840494 +>Well you should +I should but I don't have to, when a watch battery dies, that watch is dead, when watch oil gunks up the watch just ends up slightly less accurate but it still works +--- 57840524 +Got an GW B5600 nearly unworn for a good price on eBay, and while the strap doesn't completely suck like the resin ones I've got it on a Nato one now and it's become one of my most worn watches. +I previously wore a asio ae-1200wh which was a great beater for the price as well. +--- 57840525 +>>57840325 +>20 degrees +--- 57840548 +>>57840325 +>You just need to know what time it is in Greenwich, England vs what your local time is and then count the difference +That's just knowing your location with the same precision already but with extra steps +It's a good joke though if you're meming +Not easy to know who's meming and who's retarded these days +--- 57840603 +>>57840523 +>it still works +You're gambling on that in the long run of you don't service it though +--- 57840614 +>>57840204 +You would probably like these anon. I don't know much about them but I think they charge with hand movement +https://sequentworld.com/en-us +--- 57840661 +>>57840548 +>That's just knowing your location with the same precision already but with extra steps +Set your clock to 12 noon whenever the sun is the highest in the sky. You don't need to know your exact location for this. They literally teach you this exact kill in scouts ffs +--- 57840712 +>>57840524 +I want need to get another casio. I broke my a158 trying to fit a jubilee bracelet to it. +--- 57840785 +>>57840712 +I love my casios, cheapo seikos and Vostoks but the very day I have money to spare for a 36 mm (yeah wristlet) Datejust on an oyster bracelet with the white gold crown I will probably never touch any of them again. Thats the watch they have to pry from my cold, dead hands. +--- 57840854 +>>57840785 +Datejust with an engine turned bezel and black dial. They look quite nice on leather as well +--- 57841639 +>>57839583 +this applies to their stainless steel sports watches. they date from a time when this was still a thing though. after quartz became a thing rolex had to move up-market to survive and did this by re-positioning the brand. so even up the 70s you would buy something like a rolex as a top end absolutely dependable tool watch and you could even have a reasonable expectation of being able to afford one, provided you saved your money. since then they have become more and more of a status symbol. + +so it's not that case today. you can't even buy a rolex if you're a pleb; supply is deliberately limited and dealers have discretion as to who they sell to. dealers have waiting lists and for some models (daytonas) it can be years. there is nothing that any rolex can do that you can't find in a digital and better. durability and accuracy wise, quartz is just a much more effective option. you're not going to out-beat a g-shock and you can find iso-spec g-shocks if you need them. + +however, they are still very nice watches and if you can afford them you have a reasonable expectation of wearing one (at least the stainless steel sports models) daily without breaking them. also shtf you could probably use one in trade. +--- 57841645 +>>57840712 +are you the berettafag with a million berettas? +--- 57841659 +>>57839662 +>navigation on the open ocean. +no anon it's a dive watch. it's intended to keep time underwater (no mean feat originally) and the bezel is for timing deco stops. you're maybe thinking of the yachtmaster but i am not sure that's the case either. +--- 57841677 +>>57840785 +36mm is the kino case size +--- 57841686 +>>57840444 +>Only notable exception being the Amphibia. +those are straight up good. nice anon. +--- 57841756 +>>57841645 +Thats my only beretta in the pic. You're thinking of burt in hg +--- 57841787 +>>57839589 +I only have a Seiko SKX007, G-Shock DW6600 and a Longines. My first expensive watch is going to be a Speedmaster. I just love the way it looks and it's got cool history. +--- 57842213 +>>57839497 +More than a few Vietnam vets came home with Rolex watches which were known as being a sports watch, stainless oyster case. Only in the 90s did they really turn towards a fashion/luxury status statement from a racing/diving/yachting status statement. I have a gold Rolex Datejust and a 30 year old Casio dive watch. I like the Casio. +--- 57842225 +>>57839555 +This. +--- 57842770 +>AQ-100W +--- 57842828 +For me, it's the CA-53W. It's nice to be able to do simple math when tired, and it looks cool. +The first one I had, the strap developed some cracks, and eventually the crack worked it's way across fully. I tried to replace the strap, but the attachment method seemed too tight. I couldn't deform the NATO strap enough to get the spring loaded pins on both sides of the face in place. +I didn't treat it very nicely on the ship. It's probably not good for the rubber to go through massive temperature changes, or go in the shower every day. I've treated the second one a lot nicer. +--- 57842927 +>>57839497 +90% of rolex you see posted are 100 dollar fakes +--- 57842965 +Rolex hasn't been a tool watch for decades, if you want a Rolex as a tool watch go buy a Tudor for like 1/5 the price, they're pretty much made in the same factory but rappers don't brag about wearing a Tudor, so they're priced like tool watches instead of status symbols. +--- 57843070 +Are there any knowledgeable anons who have experience with adding titanium casing you can buy separately? Do you have some good sources? It seems like a good idea to make my B5000 survive me. +--- 57843271 +>>57842927 +50% of which were bought for roughly 10x the price may I add +--- 57843310 +>>57839204 (OP) +Probably my Hamilton Khaki for Analog, though my Casio Worldtimer is fantastic. +--- 57843368 +>>57840661 +>what is precision +Earth's circumference is roughly 22000 km, so roughly 1000 km per hour zone, so if your measurements are precise up to 5% (which i think is a generous assumption considering you also need to know gmt time) that's a little less than 50 km +If you think you can be in a situation were this is useful, you should have packed specifically designed tools for the job + +Also do they really teach it? +Probably as a general example of problem solving, not as an actual tool one would use +--- 57843375 +>>57843310 +Bretty /fa/ collection ngl +--- 57843393 +>>57843368 +>Probably as a general example of problem solving, not as an actual tool one would use +Anon, its literally how people once navigated the globe. Its literally why the modern mechanical clock was invented. The British Parliment started the Longitude Project in an attempt to navigate the oceans better and John Harrison was awarded over a million pounds in todays money for his invention. +--- 57843578 +>>57840078 +Being the only watches around that could meet the standards set is an achievement in and of itself. +--- 57843781 +>>57839844 + +The rangeman looks like a cow turd on the wrist. How distasteful. +--- 57843787 +>>57842828 + +Ultrabasado and best itt. +--- 57843788 +>>57839204 (OP) +This is my go to. A friend had one where the battery lasted 15 years (with daily sun exposure). In a true SHTF I would be worried about not receiving time signals but I doubt being a few minutes off a year is that much of an issue. (Nor I do think I'd last that long in the first place) +--- 57843796 +>>57839629 + +I prefer chinkshit adapters and textile straps, they don't make the core stand out so much. A NATO easily adds 5mm or more in height, I hate it +--- 57843808 +>>57843070 +>titanium +Seconding this. They are fine as fuck, but I don't want to shell out so much money. +--- 57843817 +>>57843788 + +Must have been a defective one. I have look up when the first solar Gs started appearing but fyi Casio doesn't give a battery life estimate on solar watches because all of them are still running and they can't yet reach a consensus + +(Battery life under good use and good solar exposure, it's months or a year if they don't get sun) +--- 57843876 +>>57843808 + +Not a true G. And you must know steel and titanium bezels resist impacts worse than a resin bezel. The toughest/most durable balance gshock you can buy is one with a resin bezel and a steel or titanium case, and id recommend no Bluetooth and that it is solar and multi band. That leaves you with the 5000 and some frogmans. +--- 57843881 +>>57843876 +Anon, what is even your point. +--- 57843884 +>>57843876 +No matter which G-Shock you get it'll be able to put up with a shitload of abuse compared to other watches. +--- 57843888 +>>57843070 + +I don't like it because the titanium 5000-5600 bezels that are official from Casio come with cushioning that ends up rotting/degrading and they won't fit regular 5600-5000 module cases. Not even the steel ones. + +You'd haven't have to buy either chinktanium bezels or the fancy fashion ones, none of which come with Alpha Gel, the cushioning. + +No cushioning translates to more energy being transmitted to the module upon impact, which on practical terms can translate to broken glass. + +As I said before the toughest gshock is the one that has a steel core but resin bezel, which should be considered a disposable item. You can perhaps get a nice titanium bracelet but the regular resin straps are design to also absorb shock if you drop the watch, so you're also detracting from it's toughness. + +I would recommend resin straps with carbon fiber inserts. Those don't rot and if they did they'd still keep everything together. +--- 57843893 +>>57843888 +Ahh, now I understand. Thanks, anon. + +Also, checked. +--- 57843901 +>>57843881 + +My point is these new luxury gshocks with titanium and steel everything don't follow the same spirit the originals had (and the regulars still have), and that they're actually less tough than a regular cheap gshock in resin. So don't think you're getting betterer and tougherer just because you're forking hundreds and thousands. + +I'm speaking of the 5600series , the squares. Digital frogmans are indeed top tier. +--- 57843903 +>>57839204 (OP) +for me, it's gold painted plastic +--- 57843936 +No other option besides the Spynet™ VideoWatch© that can store up to 2000 photos or 15 minutes of video. It also has a lie detector and bug detector among other things. +Found mine in the back of the closet after some good 10 years and it still works. +--- 57843980 +>>57843901 +I am the >>57843070 +Thanks for the elaborate reply, I appreciate it. Beyond the durability, it is mostly for me how different materials age. Steel/titanium gets scratched in a way it gives it charm. Resin just looks like trash after a few years and I don't enjoy consooming new watch every five years or so. So I was thinking about getting a 5600 (ideally the one with the negative display and cleaner design, I know they can be worse, but I am just a sucker for them) and then strapping a chink titanium casing on them. +--- 57843981 +>>57843936 +And you can get the flexible Snake Camera© to take stealth pictures, but I don't have one. +--- 57843982 +Mechanical watches need to be serviced and if it breaks, good luck getting spare parts. +Quartz watches have fewer parts so less likely to break but they require battery changes every few years. +Gaskets will need to be replaced for both. +No, in a shtf situation what you want is the trusty sundial. No moving parts, no need to be serviced or battery replaced. Used since ancient times. +--- 57844039 +I'm a level 100 gshockfag so here's a guide if you want a gshock for top toughness AND top durability, which are not the same. This is a list of things not all Gs have and in fact you'll have to evaluate a d research on your own, also choosing according to budget, aesthetics etc... + +- steel / titanium case +- screwback +- solar + multi band +- carbon fiber insert strap +- well protected glass OR bullbar +- aftermarket screen protector +- resin bezel with as less parts as possible +- modular (don't get a one -off model) +- easily available and compatible replacements + +Steel case because if you screw and unscrew the backplate/ bezel on resin cases too many times the threads get fucked and you lose the watch. + +Screwback comes with the solid cases. Once you go black -ehem- screwback you can't go back. Every other G will feel like a toy. They also don't need as many seal replacements. + +Solar and multi band for obvious reasons. Never change the battery, never change the hour. Always have exact time. (Only connected smartphones can do this, no regular watch) + +Carbon fiber insert because it will still absorb the impact and it will not be cut / rot in the same way regular resin ages. + +Well protected glass so it doesn't scratch (it will with time if it isn't, and we're talking about one G for life). Same for bullbars (Jays and Kays makes the best) and screen protectors. (They don't hurt the solar panel intake) + +As for modular, the most modular Gs can use straps from other popular models and there's a lot of aftermarket options. Up to you really, you can always fork many hundreds for Frogman straps and bezels if you have the moneys +--- 57844115 +>>57843980 + +Always think of combining hard with soft. The best is hard core with soft outer. If you want hard outer maybe consider a resin case, but it's by far not a big improvement. I always recommend steel or titanium cases because of the screw threads, mainly. + +I have a beater 5610 with a steel bezel and a bullbar (which is mandatory if you're all for durability) . I must tell you from experience that, while you're correct in regards to resin, steel and titanium may not age the way you think. They will look good for a while, then look good when scratched, showing wear , but 80% of the time the watch will look like a hunk of shit. You'll have to look for a high quality DLC coated bezel or use JG Gunkote or something to get it recoated from time to time. + +Again I know what you mean about wear and your only showing wear, but trust me it will look like shit (even to you) for most of its life, because the wear won't be aesthetic. +--- 57844154 +>>57839309 +no get a similar model with 50m water resist. f-91w buttons don't have seal and will get fucked up when used in water (inb4 cope anecdote about how it survived a dive once) + +if you can go a little bit thicker, get a W-800H. 100m water resist means double seals on the buttons. it has 10 year battery but instead of its CR2025, you can shove a thicker CR2032 battery, the ones found on PC motherboards, and now it's 14 year battery. longer if you don't use the light or alarms of course. + +>>57839555 +lol that's only a tiny part of their history. it's funny if you look at their marketing, even 70+ years ago they were pushing this larp narrative to luxuryfags about how their watches are actually "tool watches" and totally not luxury items. tudors were used far more by military divers for instance because it was essentially rolex but without the luxury fluff. + +>>57840225 +been there, done that. +failure modes of those shitty casio watches if you actually use them: +- in a couple years the band will break +- in 2-4 years the springbar will fail (get thicker springbar) +- in 7-10 years the resin hole that holds the springbar will wear out and not hold it anymore. game over. + +i found this thing which looks like your typical small casio but in steel case and 50m water resistant: +https://www.armitron.com/products/the-silver-rubik +the specs seems good but there is so little info about this thing. if you're american or something, do me a favor and try it. + +>>57843393 +at best it's good to know your general location in the middle of the ocean so you don't wander off too much. completely useless for land nav. +--- 57844171 +>>57839204 (OP) +Wearing that right now kek +--- 57844241 +>>57844039 +Gib your top5 gshocks I can buy now. For durability and looks. Bonus points if at least somewhat minimalistic. +--- 57844248 +>>57844241 + +No. You look for them and show us anons. + +Go to Shockbase, it has an excellent search tool. + +Follow my above guide point for point and you'll find there aren't that many that fit the criteria +--- 57844256 +>>57844248 +>refuses to spoonfeed +Nigger, but also based. +--- 57844261 +i like those sqaure g-shocks but i'm not a wristlet and that's a problem. the way the band curves down presses on the sides of my wrist to the point of pain. even strap adapters are like that and besides, they make the watch look retarded. i had to sell the watch. + +i have to cope with wearing small casios or my 38mm skx modded out the ass. i hate giant watches. my perfect watch would be a small casio but with a real metal case, at least 50m water resist, sapphire glass (or acrylic, just not mineral), metal bracelet, solar or at least 10 year battery. +--- 57844265 +>>57839204 (OP) +What does this have to do with Ukraine? +--- 57844273 +>>57844241 + +I personally rock the new GW-5000 with a Jays and Kays bullbar, but even I haven't been able to tick all the boxes. + +The light sucks shit and is very ugly, but LEDs don't fade, unlike older, awesome looking bluish green electroluminescence , which can fade with the years. (Remember, you're looking at just ONE G to use forever) + +It also doesn't look as much and it's dark gray instead of black, which I really like. +--- 57844295 +>>57844256 + + +Because Shockbase exist and personal taste is crucial I encourage any anon to make up their own mind in regards of finding the perfect gshock. Also because there are many other factors to consider besides durability and toughness (the only ones I've focused on) such as: + +-do you like hueg watches? +-or small? (Are you a wristlet) +- do you like tall watches? +- do you want big, accessible buttons? +- do you want the iconic central G light button? +- do you want a subdued look? Or eye bleach? Maybe retro? +--- 57844316 +>>57844265 +Cope you seething vatnigger faggot. +--- 57844341 +>>57844261 + +6900 straps curve at a much wider angle and they are 100% compatible with 5600s +--- 57844412 +>>57844316 +Thats a pretty dial, anon +--- 57844462 +*blocks your path* +--- 57844475 +>>57844462 + +I'll get one when they make a solar multiband version, or at least a solar. +--- 57844480 +>>57844475 +It's SHTF, not a fucking science project. +--- 57844536 +>>57844480 + +So, at least solar you reatard +--- 57844590 +>>57844241 +If aesthetics are a bigger concern than maximal toughness, the GAB2100 is nice. It's solar powered unlike the base GA2100, though that earlier model does have more colourways available. +--- 57844640 +>>57839204 (OP) +Garmin instinct tactical + +It's the new high speed casio +--- 57844744 +>>57839589 +Moonwatch isn't self winding. There is no gravity in space so its manual wind. +--- 57844806 +>>57844744 +Omega coasts on the speedmaster name pretty hard. The real moonwatch is manual winding only yes, but omega sells many variations with automatic movements +--- 57844835 +>>57843393 +I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying it can't be done with a suitable precision in a shtf scenerio with just a mechanical wristwatch you dummy +--- 57844962 +>>57842828 +This is what I wear to work everyday +--- 57845538 +>>57843936 +That's some cia tier shit +Do you need some sort of permit for those, like license to kill? +--- 57845629 +Oh great, a "let's post pictures of our fat arms and hands" thread. +--- 57845718 +>>57844590 + +That looks like shit though. And feels even worse. Also not multi band, just (((Bluetooth))) +--- 57845756 +>>57845629 +--- 57845771 +>>57845718 +Multi band is useless outside NA, Europe, China and Japan. +--- 57845785 +>>57844115 +I've been into titanium for about a decade now. Bottle, smaller utility cases, even fucking utensils. I like how it ages and I have yet to see something made out of titanium to look like trash when old and banged up. It is just a wonder material for me. Can't imagine gshock squares being different for some reason. +--- 57846176 +>>57842828 +>>57844462 +Should I get one of these as an alternative to my B640W? +--- 57846341 +>>57845771 + +Anon if you live in the third world the last thing you have to thin about is buying a GShock. + +Also not true because multi band watches can be tuned with a phone app that sends a radio signal. +--- 57847931 +>>57846176 +If you want to, it's a twenty dollar watch. I hope that's not a deal breaker. +Give it a try. If you like it, wear it from then on. +--- 57848034 +>>57845718 +the fuck do you actually need bluetooth for in a watch like that? i get it for a smartwatch but what does it actually do on that? +--- 57848123 +Don't care about SHTF, this is an actual picture of my everyday watch. W800H with aliexpress strap and solder mod to unlock all of the module's features (namely 5 alarms and countdown timer) +--- 57848214 +>>57840481 +What watch +--- 57848223 +>>57848214 +Zelos Hammerhead 2 +--- 57848279 +>>57839309 +Pro tip: when the rubber watch band cracks and breaks from flexing back and forth too much (took me about 3 or 4 years for that), buy one of those $0.75 shipped wish.com f91w clones, throw out the watch, and just keep the band. +Sad that real ones are up to $13 on amazon, it's supposed to be the dirt cheap poo in loo watch +--- 57848369 +>>57848123 +I havent heard of that mod, do they really sell it with only half of the features available? Why???? +--- 57848468 +>>57848369 +Yeah, you have to remove the solder on the jumper numbered 0 to enable countdown timer, and solder the jumper numbered 3 to enable 5 alarms. +Why do they do that? Same reason video games are sold with built in features that can only be unlocked through DLC. Same reason why Tesla sells you a car with built in features that can be unlocked if you pay more. +It's just easier to develop one module for several watches, and remove features on the cheaper ones, then you can sell watches with the full features for a premium. +--- 57848492 +>>57848468 +forgot pic +--- 57848569 +>>57839844 +Best I can find is the Rangeman basic in black for good bang for buck ABC function without GPS. Good layout for use with gloves or not. Was like $165 CDN a month and a half ago here but other places have it jacked way up like $270. +--- 57848590 +Anyone know the difference between the gwm5610 and the gw5000? Might cop the former +--- 57848592 +>>57848492 +>>57848468 +I don't care about watches but just wanted to throw in that that's called market segmentation +Other examples are software (Windows Home vs. Windows Professional is basically just a switch) and supermarket coupons (cutting those out is only worth it for poor people so only they get the lower prices) +--- 57848642 +>>57840444 +Respect to the F91 but fuck that. I went with the GWN5610-U as I wanted multi and and solar. Paired that with a Rangeman for my outdoor activities. I would not pay reg price for both. Got both at all time low prices when I got them. Love both but would take Rangeman if SHTF. +--- 57848651 +>>57844039 +Shockbase has to be the least user-friendly database I've ever had the misfortune of using, at least as far as searching for the criteria you've laid out goes +--- 57848708 +>>57848651 +It works fine and I am happy to see a website that is not a modern nu-web trash for once. What is however unforgivable that it is a fucking mess regarding cases. It doesn't do what anon proclaims as one of the most important things - with shitload of models it doesn't differentiate between a steel and titanium bezels. It just gives you "metal lmao". +--- 57848782 +>>57843310 +>IMCO +based +--- 57849454 +ITT clowns that think automatic watches of ANY kind make good "tool" watches. +this board is so full of fucking larpers, it's become unbearable. + +>accidentally bang your OH SO RUGGED rolex (or any other automatic) against anything +>good chance rotor gets stuck +>even better chance gears skip or turn out of sync now +>at least between 6 to 12 seconds off PER DAY (on a serviced and tuned movement, out-of-the-box numbers are even worse) +>after 2 months of survival in your end of the world scenario, no two people on your team will have the same fucking time + +i realize that many people here just don't want to hear it or don't deal with watches as much, but if you're really looking for /k/ watches, go for the some following: +>solar powered +>digial (because lumeshots are bullshots, do not kid yourselves and spare me the fantasy stories of how you always get up at 4am and immediately read the time with perfect readbility) +>sapphire crystal or just plain old plastic +>rubber/silicone straps, NATO straps wear out easier and the hassle of getting them smell-free every few weeks isn't worth it +>radio controlled, won't ever have to worry about setting the time unless putin nukes the continental signal emitters, at which point being off 0.5 seconds every 5 months is the least of your concerns + +yes, a Rolex can look cool and the insta feeds where they put "rugged" straps on no-date subs to make em look like that watch has gone through some rough shit may look appealing to you, but please be fucking real. +if you really live such a Jason fucking Bourne life, get a GWM5610 (or literally any solar+multiband g-shock) and be done with caring about watches for the next 200 years. more time for your survival fantasy training. +otherwise, get the good old F91W. for analog, get literally ANY Citizen that says "eco drive". + +if you ever get the call from the president because he's "putting together a team" and asks if you're on board for some operating, a g-shock will do the trick. don't worry. +--- 57849671 +>>57844154 +Just get the W-59-1VQES, basically a F91-W, but with water resistance. I have it and I couldn't be more happy. +--- 57849712 +>>57839204 (OP) +I wish Casio didn't discontinue the W-86. It was perfect, and had great water resistance while also being electroluminescent. +--- 57849818 +>>57839583 +For the same reason a shotgun from Walmart and a Kreighoff exists. You work hard (or not) and you have some money and you want a mechanical time piece because...some like guns, some like cars, some like nice watches and there are many watches more expensive than a Rolex. The cost to own one does not end in the purchase. These watches also need service. The correct service is a complete disassembly, cleaning, lubrication, and replacement of wear parts. It runs all the time so that's why, and the seals need to keep the water out. A few hundred dollars per 15 years. I have one but I'm not a watch guy but sometime if I know I am going to be around people who give a shit about company bullshit and money, I wear it to see the visible irritation, they also know, knowing me, that it would never be a fake. When they ask me about it, and they ar wearing a Seiko or Breitling I say oh ..yeah it's 10:16. Most days I wear a casio dive watch been going for 30 years. +--- 57849849 +>>57839589 +You might even break the glass on it (the sapphire) and Rolex will repair that and much worse. That's what Rolex service does. Corrosion being the worst. Guys that wear a Rolex everyday just wear a watch that takes the abuse and gets fixed. +--- 57849852 +>>57849454 +They do and uh you are wrong. +--- 57849873 +>>57840041 +That nigga be fresh. +--- 57849894 +>>57849454 +Rolex watches are within 2 seconds per day cased and non thermo compensated quartz can be just the same. You can also use a sub to dive and find north and time various things. It'll last longer than a casio battery and the crystal will be tougher. There's a reason soldiers still wear subs and it's not because your opinion is the only one. +--- 57849906 +>>57839309 +>>57839204 (OP) +Yeah +--- 57849918 +>>57840041 +On his right is a gold/stainless Datejust, not with a very good glow-in-the-dark face, the one on his left does. I bet the Mrs. gave him the gold one. +--- 57849944 +>>57849454 +based and true +watchfags are insufferable +--- 57849989 +>>57840034 +Fellow Invicta enjoyer +--- 57850006 +>>57849944 +Many cope fags itt +--- 57850032 +>>57839204 (OP) +solar seiko but i have a solar citizen chronograph too +--- 57850037 +>>57840041 +--- 57850038 +>>57850032 +Can it be charged by any light?! +--- 57850058 +>>57849454 +I love automatic watches, but you're 100% right. They're just jewelry for men nowadays and not serious tools. Just any rugged digital watch with a few years of battery will do, really. +>>57849894 +>There's a reason soldiers still wear subs +To larp or as fashion. Neither real divers or soldiers wear a fucking Rolex when there are better and cheaper options for them. +--- 57850077 +I've liked this Casio, but the build quality leaves much to be desired and I've needed to replace the battery after less than a year of ownership +--- 57850099 +>>57850038 +i think so but idk +from my experiance photovoltaics only work well in strong sunlight when the whole panel is exposed but idk how they did it in the watch + +i live in a fairly dark place with not much sun and only spend a few minutes outside in the sun per day and yet my watch never got to a low battery level in my 5 years of wearing it (low battery means you still have weeks left and the second hand starts jumping 2 seconds at a time to tell you to charge it) + +pic related is my citizen, it stopped by only after i left it in a drawer for like a year. started again after a shone a flashlight right at it for a few seconds +--- 57850151 +Horizon Zero Dawn is a post-apocalyptic game where humanity very nearly became extinct in run-away robot/AI rebellion. All that is left from the old civilization is just some old ruins and robots still wandering in them. + +Humans live in isolated tribes, and are generally fearful of any old technology. It is cursed and those who use it are shunned and made outcasts. +In this game, you can still find relics from the ancient past, which are considered valuable and desired by the people who managed to survive the apocalypse. + +Picture related is one of the ancient Relics, known as "Ancient Bright Bracelet" and if you find it, it will get you a pretty decent price in the marketplace of those human settlements and villages which are still left in the world. It is a relic from the old days, when humans still ruled the world, and a fashionable piece of jewelry. + +Just saying. +--- 57850152 +>>57850032 +reminder that these prospex solar divers have developed a huge and subtle following amongst seiko owners + +everyone should pick one up before seiko eventually double the price +--- 57850162 +>>57839204 (OP) +--- 57850167 +>>57850058 +>divers or soldiers wear a fucking Rolex +Cope cause ur wrong +--- 57850180 +>>57839589 +>mineral glass +>no self winding +that will be 10k+ tip sir + +the new astronaut speedmaster(the x33) is quartz and its NASA certified + +but so is gshock and casio doesnt market it like omega does. +--- 57850204 +>>57850151 +By the way, the game is gorgeous. + +Here is a savage tribespeople looking at some ancient ruins where it is forbidden to go. Just in case you might awaken some slumbering old machine devil. +--- 57850207 +>>57850152 +you mean this one? +yea its the same watch besides the 'padi' writing i considered getting it but i hated the different colored second hand +--- 57850220 +>>57850180 +they were the X-33's within the station but the mechanical speedies during extra vehicular activities. + +also self winding doesn't work so well in low gravity environments, which is why manual winding is preferred. + +i don't know why you niggers are literally questioning the tests and decisions made by white male nasa engineers from the 1950's and 60's. it comes off as massive cope because it's true, omega milks the brand and moon missions but the original speedmasters with the lemania 5100 caliber are suited for outer space work. + +if you think there's a quartz watch with a digital display that can handle the vacuum and temperatures of outer space, post it. +--- 57850249 +>>57850207 +They have several color combinations these days. I highly recommend picking one up because like I said, I guarantee that in the near future Seiko will realize they can double the prize as they have with some of their automatic watches with the 6R movement that now sell for bullshit prices, near $2k if not higher. + +https://www.seiyajapan.com/collections/seiko/prospex+divers+solar-quartz +--- 57850256 +>>57850220 +>i don't know why you niggers are literally questioning the tests and decisions made by white male nasa engineers from the 1950's and 60's. +Anon, you're bragging about decisions and testing from a time when the choice was mechanical watch or no watch. Should we also be using vacuum tubes because that's what they chose to use in the 50s and 60s? +--- 57850260 +>>57850167 +Imagine thinking that real divers use automatics like we're still in the 90s instead of dive computers. Fucking larper +--- 57850261 +>>57850220 +Its cringe to brag about the speedmaster so much about its "outer space cred" because you are paying out the ass to get a gimped watch. + +nobody would buy a ferrari nowdays if it had no AC + +also bulova lunar pilot is also space certified and nobody gushes about it like you omega niggers +--- 57850274 +>>57850249 +the green one looks nice +i honestly cba to set the watch every day tho so it's quartz for me +--- 57850292 +>>57850256 +the conditions of space haven't changed. if it works it works. if your complaint is that that the watch is too expensive then blame Omega, but the technology is solid for what it needs to do. + +p.s. you won't find an off the self watch quartz watch with a digital on the market right now that can do what the speedmaster still can in the current year. so why not accept that it's a good backup system at the very least? +--- 57850300 +>>57850274 +if you buy it head over to the WatchUSeek forum and you can find recommendations for a better bracelet. all in all it's probably one of the best value propositions in that price range. +--- 57850303 +>suited for outer space work. +>literally falls apart in space +https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/the-other-moon-watch-has-landed#:~:text=Then%20on%20August%202%2C%201971,off%20during%20an%20earlier%20moonwalk. + +bulova to the rescue i guess.. +--- 57850316 +>>57850260 +I dive and I wear a mechanical watch +--- 57850328 +>>57850220 +They made up their mind and twist all data to match. Basically what liberals do. It's the sign of low iq. +--- 57850331 +>>57850292 +You sound really invested in the products you consume. +--- 57850339 +>>57840325 +This is the convoluted aviator way to use the 24hr hand for navigation. Most people just need help getting a consistent bearing which is more easily accomplished syncing the 24hr hand to their time zone so they can point the 12hr hand at the sun and the 24hr hand will then point North. +--- 57850421 +>>57839204 (OP) +Until I can be bothered to buy a replacement strap for my F-91W ill continue using the G-Shock +--- 57850439 +>>57850038 +AHHHHH one of only two kind of expensive watches I actually want. +Very tasteful. +--- 57850591 +>>57850261 +i'm not trying to convince anyone to buy it, i don't even own it because the original models that were certified for these missions are either in possession of these agencies or sold for insane prices on the grey market. and i think the new 321 caliber speedmaster has a display back which is retarded, so there are no good options to purchase what they actually wear in space. + +i'm simply saying that it has performed it's job in extreme conditions for decades and that to this day even the Russian cosmonauts use it for EVA's and that trying to deny that it works in outer space is pure cope. + +>>57850328 +all of the testing methods and results are published and reproducible by anyone who cares enough about it + +>>57850303 +the crystal for one of the speedmasters that were tested on the ground also popped off. the reason was that the astronauts didn't pressurize correctly before one of the space walks and when they walked out it popped off. and i didn't talk shit about the bulova, they used to make great watches as well + + >>57850331 +yeah this is the most important thread i have ever participated in, in my entire life +--- 57850599 +>>57850303 +>m-muh sneedmaster +>m-muh moon certified +>falls apart on the moon +lel +--- 57850626 +>>57850439 +You can buy it bro it's not that bad. I have faith in you. Just get the fully tegemented one because it really works. +--- 57850733 +>>57850591 +>mechanical watches are rugged bro, they used them in space! +>you just have to baby them or they will literally fall apart +lmao you picked the worst example to point to making them rugged +--- 57850803 +>>57842828 +Walter White drip +--- 57850826 +>>57840524 +pretty based, I have this watch too, it's solid as hell. last watch I'll need +--- 57850855 +>>57850733 +post a watch that has more usage in outer space than the speedmaster + +if you can’t, then you’re gay +--- 57850887 +>>57839204 (OP) +i use a gshock. just came in the mail, great so far. we'll see how it holds up to long nights in the machine shop +--- 57850922 +>>57850855 +Shit, maybe we should all go back to using spears too since they've been used in more wars then guns. It's not like technology has ever advanced and rendered something obsolete before. +--- 57850925 +>>57850260 +A lot of divers still use automatics. +Sure, you may have a diving computer as part of your diving equipment. You you are not diving ALL THE TIME, are you? + +It's like having cross-country hiking boots. Nice to have if you are heading out to wilderness, but not really something you use on your office job or on your way to a nearest supermarket. For that, you use something more sensible. Like low-cut shoes. Does not stick out of the crowd or in an office, but can handle some sticky situations. +--- 57850957 +>>57850887 +Granted I push a desk for a living, but I would think introducing snag hazards like a wristwatch would frowned upon. Or is that a think of the past with manual machining going by the wayside? +--- 57851002 +>>57839204 (OP) +Got a Timex Ironman on sale for my beater watch and so far I'm happy with it. +--- 57851132 +>>57839204 (OP) +Gimme something cool and cheap that goes well with a NATO strap, /k/ +--- 57851154 +>>57851132 +How cheap +--- 57851173 +>>57851154 +150$ and under, but realistically under 100$, looking for something to use everyday and beat the crap out of and replace. Bonus points if it's big (I have huge hands) +--- 57851217 +>>57851173 +Vostok is usually the go to brand if you know you’re going to destroy it and don’t care about losing it. + +I’m not even going to tell you where to buy them because part of the journey of owning a piece of shit like a Vostok is going down the rabbit hole and drudgery finding one you like and where to get a legitimate one for the real price. +--- 57851224 +>>57851173 +If you're ok with quartz +Casio Duro +Entry level Gshock 2100 +--- 57851259 +>cheap +For mile splits, my trusty Timex Ironman. Waiting in the wings Casio F91W-1. But normally I'm not a watch fag because time of day is instinctive to me. I also have an iPhone 13. +--- 57851262 +>>57851224 +Oh yeah I'm definitely ok with quartz. +Casio Duro looks like it'd look good with a nato strap, and it's around 80$ + +>>57851217 +Vostok is starting at like 250$ here +--- 57851284 +>>57851259 +>iPhone13 +Ceiling cat is watching you masturbate. +--- 57851340 +>>57851173 +Diesel +--- 57851351 +>>57850626 +Actually I got it mixed up with the UX. Sexy oily goodness. My dad's got a sinn something or other, it's one of the high pressure ones with the neato desiccant chambers. +--- 57851861 +>>57848279 +>>57839309 +The default strap is shit quality and will snap on its own much earlier than the battery dies. Get one with the metal strap +--- 57852567 +>>57850004 +>>A+ basic functions. +>>Fucking big led. +>>Probably the best negative siaplay on a casio. +>>Shitty acrilic display... +Almost a flawless score here. +--- 57852576 +>>57850004 +Can this take a nato strap? +--- 57852622 +>>57851002 +Based Triathlon poster. Most people just assume it's a G-shock at first glance. +--- 57854038 +I keep buying cheap timex watches from walmart and when they break or the battery dies I just buy a new one. what's the step up from this that doesn't look like a brick on your arm or cost a gorillion dollars? +--- 57854217 +For me it's the protrek solar +>basic compass +>alt/baro/temp +>solar +>nuke time receiver +Only complaint is the compass doesn't account for being at an angle. They should add a mercury level on the display to ensure you get a more accurate reading, or account for the angle automatically +--- 57854786 +>>57854038 +what's your budget +--- 57856051 +>>57854038 +I like this one. >>57842828 +It's like 25 bucks, lasts for years, and you can replace the battery +--- 57856087 +>>57854786 +idk like $1-200 +--- 57856119 +>>57856087 +Citizen Ecodrive can be had for under 200 bucks, looks nice, and is good for 10 to 20 years before you need to replace the solar panels, though if you're beating a quartz timex to death, you are still likely to do the same to any other quartz solely unless you're getting them wet. +--- 57856146 +>>57850855 +most astronauts wear fucking casios and other quartz watches when on station, stop believing promo bullshots. + +it's the same with formula one pilots, it doesn't mean they use automatic watches for time measurement just because they get a $45000 Rolex strapped to their wrists before standing ont he podium. + +how fucking dumb are you? IQs below room temperature shouldnt even own guns +--- 57856178 +>>57856146 +worst part is that they dont even use watches in EVA anymore so he can constantly claim +>its the longest used watch in outer space! + +here's a list of all watches that went to EVA +http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum14/HTML/001835.html + +Notice how there's even a quartz watch in there. +--- 57856229 +>>57856146 +>>57856178 +This whole argument is retarded as fuck. +>but muh spacemen use X! +Like lmao, how old/childish are you? Are you a fucking spaceman? +--- 57856646 +>>57849454 +Based and truthpilled +t. a mechanical watch enjoyer +--- 57856666 +Is this a watch rec thread? +Looking for something within these criteria +>Very legible display +>Water proof, at least up to 50m +>Rugged and reliable +>Maybe a compass +>Within $500 +I go out fishing and boating a lot and have fallen into water a few times. I'm clumsy +--- 57856729 +>>57839390 +Mechanical watches are retarded and you should feel bad about owning one because nearly every mechanical watch is overpriced garbage for what they are. +If it's not quartz timer or better you might as well throw it in the bin. +Just don't get cheap quartz circuits, anything above 60 moolahs in circuitry alone should give you a hyper accurate time piece that won't break or run out of battery in a couple years. +The case itself doesn't matter at all, nor do any functions outside of timers. +I have a generic chink/mexicoshit "replica" of a Rolex (made in the same factory same bracelet, they say "only in Switzerland" but it's all bullshit marketing) that I filled with a semi expensive generic quartz that has smooth motors rather than the cheap "tick" of cheap quartz, and it works unironically better than an actual Rolex kek. I also eventually replaced the cheap glass with sapphire glass and now noone would even tell the fucking difference without opening it. +Honestly for most people, long battery (4week) smart watches are fine. If you're expecting an apocalypse get some of the digital ones anons here have suggested, or fuck around finding "fakes" that are probably just as good as 15 grand retard watches made to scam idiots that care about "skilled workmanship" rather than an actual decent product. +--- 57856730 +>got quad 6s +Holy kek +This seems nice but I have 0 experience with any watches. +https://www.seiyajapan.com/collections/seiko/products/seiko-prospex-200m-diver-solar-gmt-sbpk001-made-in-japan +--- 57856757 +>>57856730 +The reviews are literally paid for, they read like a shill, "I wish I bought the more expensive one lol" be careful. +>Accuracy: ±15 seconds per month +Yeah that's normal for quartz. Should be fine. +--- 57858004 +>>57856666 +Casio duro as other anonymous have said is pretty phenomenal for the price. Citizen has some nice offerings as well. If you want something mechanical I would go for a hamilton manual wind field watch. Otherwise there's a ton of gshock offerings that would serve you well. It's all up to what you like based on functions and aesthetics. +--- 57858150 +>>57839309 +F-105W is a straight upgrade, no reason to get the 91 over it except for Taliban aesthetics +--- 57858207 +This is my everyday watch. I have a couple of G-Shock's but I have genetic wristletism and I don't wear them because they look ridiculous. +--- 57858210 +I bought a Casio A158W since my dog liked chewing the bands off my F-91W's. I wouldn't say it's more capable but the adjustable steel band is a big improvement over other watches I've worn before it. If I were to upgrade I'd definitely want a similar style band. +--- 57858324 +>>57849454 +Based. +If analogue is a requirement I'd go for ProTrek though, they are not quite as durable as G-Shocks, but they have solar, all the usual casio functions and a compass. + +I fucking love mechanical watches, but anyone who pretends they are in any way superior to digital in this day and age is delusional. +--- 57858335 +>>57856729 +You must be fun at parties +--- 57858383 +>>57858335 +>Anon goes to a party +>Yeah this is actually a Zigglerwheilmer style movement +>Everyone gather 'round and remain silent so we may appreciate the unique Hubbmleplex's unique tick +--- 57858391 +>>57858383 +>everyone must share what I enjoy and only what I enjoy +You've never been to a party +--- 57858422 +>>57858391 +--- 57858456 +>>57849454 +>citizen eco-drive + +they suck ass after a few years. I've sent my blue angel twice for repairs also gifted a few from a stranger (always keep them in light). +--- 57858534 +bought a g-shock GW6900-1 what amIn4? + +also, I have a f-105 and how to u get the spring pins out? I tried the floss method but there was nothing to grab. took some pliers and pulled them out to replace with 20mm nato strap that came with pins. the pins are too short and can't use the original pins since they're bent. +--- 57858579 +>>57854217 +Based. I had a protrek for years. + +These days I wear one of those. They are relatively new and casios attempt to break into the smart watch market while still retaining the qulities that made G-shock popular. +It's sturdy, basic watch mode will run forever, but it also has gps, heart rate, and all that stuff. +--- 57858900 +A dw-9052 that's bigger than my wrist. +--- 57858916 +>>57839204 (OP) +Mine +--- 57858988 +Inexpensive and functional, keeps time good enough, I like it. +--- 57859385 +Team G it is +--- 57859409 +>>57839204 (OP) +Watch? +--- 57859476 +>>57843310 +>>57848782 +Based IMCO enjoyers. Got to use mine on my recent trip to Vegas and it lit those cigs like a pro. +--- 57859538 +>>57858988 +what is it? +--- 57859567 +>>57859538 +I don't know the model, but that dude has an Islander, house brand of long island watch. Most movements are seiko based, but there are a few ameriquaterz. +--- 57859599 +>>57859538 +Islander ISL-49 with a coin edge bezel and ceramic bezel insert. + +>>57859567 +You got it. +--- 57859623 +>>57858988 +>islander +I've never seen one out and about. +--- 57859690 +>>57859599 +>>57859623 +thanks, it looks nice and the price is alright, I'd pick one up to check it out but I already have a seiko samurai to fill my diver's watch needs +--- 57859713 +Anyone know a watch that might be useful for pilots? Baro, altimeter, etc maybe built into the watch face/main interface screen? +--- 57859739 +>>57859713 +Either a garmin or apple smartwatch +--- 57859752 +>>57859713 +>Baro, altimeter +Shouldn't your plane instruments tell you that? +Anyways Protrek, a few G-shocks or most Garmins have that. +--- 57859769 +>>57859752 +>Shouldn't your plane instruments tell you that? +Plane won't until you set your baro before startup, and having a watch tell your your baro is useful because it saves time having to check the METAR or listen to the radio for it. +--- 57859771 +>>57859713 +>Baro, altimeter, etc +Those are all screaming into your face from your gages if you are flying a plane. I used the altimeter feature on a Casio watch a lot when I was hiking. If I calibrated it within a week it would be more accurate than GPS most of the time. +--- 57859773 +>>57859690 +The way I see it, at least it has sapphire instead of hardlex, I think it's a better deal than the new 38mm series Seiko released a few days ago and certainly cheaper than trying to get a real SKX013. +--- 57859850 +>>57859771 +>Those are all screaming into your face from your gages if you are flying a plane. +Anon, pilots are autistic about backups to backups to backups. Steam gauge altimeters can also fail, pitot tubes can get clogged, etc. +But really the main use is on the ground, before flying. Don't know your field elevation? Check the altimeter on the watch. Don't want to tune the radio to the nearest ATIS for a baro reading? Its on your watch. +--- 57860381 +>>57859409 +>Just stare at the sun bro! Those flashing blotches will go away... Eventually. +>Clouds? What are those? +>Dense tree canopy where the sun literally is not visible at all? Just free climb to the top of the biggest tree and stare at the sun bro! +--- 57860469 +>>57859769 +Thats what atis is for, or set your altimeter to field elevation +--- 57860689 +>>57859690 +They also got other styles. They just released a new line that uses the Seiko mecha quartz movement, which you only find in Seiko's Asian sub brands and alibaba brands. +I like the idea of a decent and affordable mecha quartz, just not a chronograph, which is all the have right now. +--- 57860754 +>water resist +--- 57862530 +>>57860381 +>he can't tell time purely by listening to his internal circadian rhythm +--- 57863769 +>>57850004 +i have all 3. Khaki is my main driver. Had high hopes for the negative display, but it is not useable, can't read unless you line it up it just right. +--- 57864840 +>>57848123 +Nice to see a fellow W800(HM) enjoyer, though mine hasn't been soldered (I'm content with the stopwatch and don't use the alarm) and I replaced the broken band with another band from a broken Casio watch. +--- 57864960 +>>57859850 +>Anon, pilots are autistic about backups to backups to backups +No they aren't. +>Don't know your field elevation? Check the altimeter on the watch. Don't want to tune the radio to the nearest ATIS for a baro reading? +Holyshit it's a no-fly. Don't take this retards advice, the station at your airport will give you good numbers and your checklist will last multiple readings anyway so there is no reason to disregard it and use an uncertified, unmaintained, unreliable source for your fucking navigational and altimeter settings. +Jesus christ, don't talk about shit you obviously know nothing about. +--- 57866102 +>>57860689 +they have some really nice looking ones, but the ones I'm interested in are sold out unfortunately +--- 57867175 +Watchanons, why are multi-wave preferred over GPS? + +am I missing something if I went with GPS? + +>t. radio-less ausfag +--- 57867374 +The only correct answer to this thread is all of them. +--- 57867704 +>>57867374 +I wonder what the Ukraine war is going to do to the quirky hipster reputation of Amphibia? +>NOOO YOU CAN'T WEAR THAT, YOU'RE SUPPORTING LE HECKIN WARCRIMERINOS +--- 57868036 +>>57839204 (OP) +A solar-powered watch would make sense. Automatic watches are nice, but they often aren't accurate, and need resetting every week or so, unless it's a premium watch, and they require servicing. +--- 57868081 +SEIKO COMING THROUGH + +>fuck rolex +>fuck iwc +>fuck sinn +>fuck all the french shit +>fuck laco +>FUCK omega +>fuck all those wannabe trendy epic outdoorsman craft beer mini brands who just put uncalibrated seiko NH35/35As into basic SKX replica cases and put their le epic logo onto basic dials + +CITIZEN +CASIO +SEIKO + +WE RIDE TOGETHER, WE DIE TOGETHER +i will take no comments +--- 57868110 +I think I'm just gonna buy a Mudmaster. +--- 57869035 +>>57867704 +Obsessed +--- 57869107 +>>57839497 +you never know when you'll need to barter for a rat burger +--- 57869264 +>>57867704 +If that was the case, I would be wearing my two amphibias and VDV komandirskie in rotation everyday to show how much I don't give a shit about muh Ukraine. +Unfortunately, 99% of people don't give a fuck about watches and won't even bother looking at what I am wearing, and the remaining 1% has never heard of Vostok. +--- 57869422 +>>57869264 +>VDV komandirskie + +that a diver's watch? +--- 57869510 +>>57869422 +No it's an officer's watch. +--- 57869858 +>>57867175 +GPS is fine, it’s just more expensive than radio controlled watches. +--- 57870078 +>>57864960 +Anon you wouldn't be flying under night vision illegally would you? +--- 57870099 +>>57870078 +>illegally +Why would you assume that? +--- 57870112 +>>57869510 +Does the VEH DEH VEH actually wear these or is it just a meme / marketing watch + +>>57869858 +Thanks, do you know if GPS watches can be updated if/when timezone rules changed? Or are these eventually obsolete? I'm semi-tempted to get a seiko astron or similar for my next watch +--- 57870183 +>>57842828 +That one has shitty buttons. Get the better one for 10$ more. +--- 57870202 +>>57868081 +pretty based +--- 57870276 +>>57870099 +I havent read the far pt 91 in a long time, I thought general aviation wasn't allowed to officially use night vision for flying +--- 57870508 +>>57870112 +actually holy shit nevermind that I am not expecting them to be as expensive as they are + +>>57868081 +seikoanon, got any recs of solar seikos suitable with nato strap? +--- 57870533 +>>57839204 (OP) +>cheap Casio +Actually not many features, only 3 buttons for most, resin rot is real, strap will fail. +>average Casio +More features and buttons, better straps. +>Gshock +Resin rot, strap will fail. + +Yeah, get some $40-60 Casio. +--- 57870917 +>>57870508 +>solar seikos suitable with nato strap? + +http://www.watchsleuth.com/seikodiverfinder/search/?MV%5B%5D=V145&MV%5B%5D=V157&MV%5B%5D=V158&MV%5B%5D=V172&MV%5B%5D=V175 +http://www.watchsleuth.com/seikochronofinder/search/?MVTYPE%5B%5D=Solar + +Pic related, depending on your wrist size the recent seiko night vision series might be appealing to you. The watch on the right is solar, as well as the chrono posted above. + +Otherwise, a chinese re-brander "Tactical Frog" has started to buy seiko VS75 movements and put them into chronos. +In general, any Seiko that isn't an explicit dress watch is suitable for a nato strap, BUT +If you've got some money to spend, google for Seiko PROSPEX solars and you'll find the premium shit. They also have some more obscure solar field watches, and while the lume on them is pretty great, it isn't applied everywhere it should be. + + +Nato straps basically "have become solved" and pointless with the recent rise of (curved-end) silikone straps. +be it literally any aliexpress curved or a $60 (but literally indestructable) Crafterblue, they do what NATO straps did, only better: +- close the optical gap between lugs, watch and strap +- quiet +- easily adjustable without tools, unlike metal bracelets +- good water resistance +- ++feature that natos don't have: they do not absorb smell + +If you've ever worn a nato strap for 3 months constantly during sommer, sport, sleeping, showering etc, it smells like a fucking dogs ass with diarrhea. +The last time I took my watch off was like 14 months ago when I had to go into a CRT machine, so I really wear them 24/7. Silicone straps do not absorb smell and I'm never going back to nato. +That being said, if you want to stick to your Nato straps: throw them into boiling water every 3 months and have em dry, then put em back on. Don't listen to idiots who tell you to just rub some soap into the strap everytime you take a shower, that's not gonna do shit in the long term. Boil it or replace it. +--- 57870952 +>>57870917 +>seiko in the year 20 x (20 + 20 + 20 + 20 + 20) + 20 + 3 +Overpriced trash. + +>If you've ever worn a nato strap for 3 months constantly during sommer, sport, sleeping, showering etc, it smells like a fucking dogs ass with diarrhea. +FUCKING WASH IT WITH SOAP. +>Don't listen to idiots who tell you to just rub some soap into the strap everytime you take a shower, that's not gonna do shit in the long term. +IT FUCKING DOES. +--- 57871004 +>>57870917 +on a sidenote, pic related is what I'm wearing now minus the leather strap because my 22mm curved end silicone is underway already. + +Citizen AS-4035, kinda expensive for a "tool watch", but then I bought unused it for 1/4th of its price because the woman who sold it to me explained that her husband didn't like it. he only likes watches where the second hand flows and so she put it back into the box and let it sit in the drawer. mint condition, fucking lemayo. But hey, I won't complain. as a general tip, always try to get em used first if they're not automatic. most of the time, people have no idea what the fuck they're selling. + +TL;DR, if you're looking for "military field watch" types, citizen has some great chronographs that only start getting into expensive territory if you want radio controlled movements for automatic time adjustment. you're never gonna need that unless you're literally the protagonist from far cry 2 and event then... +--- 57871051 +>>57870917 +>Seiko Prospex +I bought an automatic for 700 and was pretty disappointed. Loses time faster than my nu-hamilton and tissot. +Silicon straps are fine I guess, but they make your watch look like a child’s toy watch. +Bracelet, NATO, or bust. +--- 57871120 +>>57870952 +>FUCKING WASH IT WITH SOAP. + +i don't know how sensitive your nose is, but I promise you that showering with a nato strap, no matter how much soap you dump onto that motherfucker, is NOT going to get rid off the smell. +it just does not. we can go yesnoyesnoyesnoyesno for the next 2 hours, but I stand by my point. +I've worn watches long enough, I've been fumbling and fucking around with them for 2 decades and have tried every type of watch strap there is. natos are fine and somewhat durable, but they do absorb sweat and the fabric does start to smell bad. getting rid of that smell isn't dont with a spritz of soap. + +>>57871051 +>automatic + +you've given yourself the answer: automatic movement. +prospex auto's are still automatics and I wouldn't trust the most expensive automatic to keep the timer better than an old f91w. it's just not technically possible. +i don't get why people still fall for the automatic watch meme, the 80s are over. + +>Silicon straps are fine I guess, but they make your watch look like a child’s toy watch. +depends on the combination of watch and strap, but I rarely see people using anything but black silicone straps. pic related +--- 57871175 +>>57871120 +>i don't get why people still fall for the automatic watch meme, the 80s are over. +Because watches are jewelry and status items, Anon. That is why the most valuable and coveted watch brands are automatics. +Your phone is more useful in every way for telling time accurately and only a handful of niche uses (diving, gps, etc.) warrant the use of a watch to begin with. + +Otherwise it’s just grey man LARP. +--- 57871206 +>>57871120 +>showering with a nato strap +Not showering, washing it: take it off, wash it with warm water and soap, like you'd wash any other piece of nylon, wheather a coat, a chest rig, or a belt, because I sure hope you watch your gear anon. I do it like once a month while washing my hands, I wash the band along with any dust or grime that accumulated on the watch, takes a minute, and then it's perfectly fine. + +It's fucking nylon, it's easy enough to wash, unless we're talking low quality NATOs with cotton fibers, or all the perlon shit that are made of whatever chinks have available. +--- 57871250 +>>57871175 +I'd argue that turning my wrist and looking at pic related is even more practical than fumbling a hopefully charged phone out of a pocket, turning it on an looking at it. especially when you're at the beach or something. + +but I see your point and I agree with it: watches are jewelry for man. +not so much status items though, because literally nobody will ever stop you and go "omg anon is that a rolex on your wrist?". + +you buy a watch because YOU like it and think it looks good, but you're almost never going to impress anybody with your watch. maybe a tinder date and when she shows an unusual interest in your rolex, then you gotta bail anyway. +--- 57871263 +>>57871120 +>showering +have you heard of the concept of washing your clothes/washing machines, you fucking ape? +--- 57871280 +>>57870276 +Well, it's nobodies business. +--- 57871660 +>>57871120 +>>57870917 +>Nato straps basically "have become solved" +>I wouldn't trust the most expensive automatic to keep the timer better than an old f91w. it's just not technically possible + +How can you sound so confident about everything you’re saying yet be so retardedly wrong? +--- 57871963 +>>57871660 +>I wouldn't trust the most expensive automatic to keep the timer better than an old f91w. it's just not technically possible + +Everything he said there was actually correct +stop buying 5$ fakes on ebay +--- 57872521 +>>57868081 +Fuck you IWC makes god tier watchers. +You're right about everything else. +--- 57872562 +>>57871660 +He's right though and you are wrong and gay. + +>>57868110 +Those are fucking huge aren't they. Not hating, but you need a beefy wrist to rock one of those. +--- 57872572 +>>57868081 +Seiko was the best bang for the buck brand up until a few years ago. Nowadays, the prices are pretty much on the same level as Swiss watches. They make mostly big, thick, tacky watches with subpar movements and cheap bracelets. +--- 57872607 +>>57864960 +This dumb nigger actually thinks all fields have baros lmao. Fuck you idiot. +--- 57872655 +>>57868081 +>>57870917 +>>57871004 +>>57871120 +>citizen +>seiko +What’s next, Fossil? +This is the advice you follow if you dress like a 14 year old who just wants a giant tacky glowing watch with a bunch of useless and crowded complications on his wrist, likely with a bezel thats 44mm or bigger. + +Watch equivalent of 5.11 and merrell. +--- 57872694 +>>57872607 +Anon if a small strip doesn't have any info typically pilots set to field elevation or get weather from a nearby field. If you're doing bushplane shenanigans that's different but even still any responsible pilot is not going to use a watch to pull altitude information +--- 57872741 +>>57872694 +It's a dude illegally flying with nvgs so I quite frankly don't give a shit what he thinks. +Modern digital baros fit in a chip the size of a grain of a grain of rice and are incredibly accurate so even if you are doing backwood STOL shit off of mesas of unknown elevation or something they're going to be plenty reliable. +--- 57872994 +>>57871963 +>>57872562 +>Everything he said there was actually correct + +here’s how the next set of replies will go: +1) I will point you to the Rolex specifications which show it’s more accurate than an F-91W per month +2) You will then move the goal posts claiming that it doesn’t actually matter that it’s more accurate because it’s thousands of times cheaper than a Rolex so it’s better value +3) I will then point out that you were factually wrong and a cock sucking faggot +4) You will then say accuracy doesn’t matter since we all have smartphones +5) I’ll then point out that if you can use your phone, then why do you have an F-91 +6) go kill yourseld +--- 57873165 +>>57872994 +Anon they're just coping, let them. The reality is as long as a watch is able to be hacked and standardized between a fire team and can reasonably hold that time for a single day it will be usable in shtf +--- 57873231 +>>57872741 +The original claim was that you can use your watch as a substitute for a field altimeter to save time as stated >>57859769 so admitting that it's only useful for remote stol stuff is a huge step. Glad we could clear that up, retard diff --git a/k/57843595.txt b/k/57843595.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4d4db3c283eb9235f0631d49142ec4b203c18dd9 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57843595.txt @@ -0,0 +1,559 @@ +----- +--- 57843595 +In Japan there is a style of martial art called Kyudo. This is ritual archery, where 正射正中, "a true shot always hits," and the emphasis is on absolutely proper form and the spiritual connection between the shooter, his weapon, and the iron thread between the shooter and his target. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT0XczNY9TU [Embed] +A gun kyudo, a more ritualistic and intuitive shooting sport, should be developed. Pistols, without sights and certainly without optics, shot with one arm, at a 14" target 100 feet away. Only proper form, stillness of hand, and an absolute connection between the shooter and his weapon would ensure a hit. This would promote concentration, and would forge a bond between a man and his handgun, making them one being. +What does /k/ think of my new martial art? +--- 57843607 +>>57843595 (OP) +Thats what olympic shooting is, and its really fucking gay, however kyudo is based because all of the girls ive seen practice it are decently cute + +>t. lives in Japan +--- 57843608 +>>57843595 (OP) +Retarded but fun. +--- 57843611 +>>57843607 +>/k/ommando lives in Japan +That's probably more interesting than where this thread will go otherwise. What's it like for you anon? +--- 57843624 +>>57843607 +No, picrel is olympic shooting, and it is an abomination. They shoot small calibers with absolutely laughable amounts of gear/optics and zero spiritual element. +--- 57843625 +>>57843595 (OP) +>gun in japanese is "Jū" +>Jūdo / Jūjutsu +I think there might be a problem with that term +--- 57843640 +>>57843611 +I just moved here about a month or so ago, but ive visted a bunch before. I work as an English teacher (lmao) and im planning on staying here for a year or two then becoming either a milfag pilot or an air traffic controller. + +Anyways, its pretty cool, my town is a pretty boring suburb, but theres a train station about 10 minutes away by foot where I can end up in the nearest major city in about an hour or so. I've just been wandering around the country by rail in the time ive been here and oogling the airshit in hobby shops whenever I miss my gats back home. + +Is there anything specific you wanna know? +--- 57843644 +>>57843624 +I often wonder how useful this gear is. You never hear about anything of the sort being used by combat snipers, and those guys are the ones with all the records, not these tards. +--- 57843649 +>>57843624 +That's why biathlon is the true /k/ sport. Heavy exercise combined with target shooting emulates combat conditions. +>In modern times, the activity that developed into this sport was an exercise for Norwegians as alternative training for the military. Norwegian skiing regiments organized military skiing contests in the 18th century, divided into four classes: shooting at mark while skiing at top speed, downhill race among trees, downhill race on big hills without falling, and a long race on flat ground while carrying a rifle and military pack. In modern terminology, these military contests included downhill, slalom, biathlon, and cross-country skiing +--- 57843659 +>>57843640 +How it is as a gunfag, I suppose, and how the locals respond to your interest in firearms and airshit. Do you mean a milfag pilot or ATC for the japs, or for your home nation? If for the japs, why? +--- 57843661 +>>57843624 +"all the horsemen's faces gaudy and grotesque with daubings like a company of mounted clowns, death hilarious" +--- 57843662 +>>57843649 +Why is that sign photoshopped? +--- 57843674 +>>57843625 +It would have to be "kenjūdo," "拳銃道" -- "the way of the handgun." +--- 57843677 +>>57843659 +I hide my /k/ommando power level because nips are very, very afraid of even the concept of a gun, its really strange, but a bunch of them visited my apartment when I lived in Arizona and I showed them my guns and the girls basically had panic attacks and refused to even touch them, my one Westaboo buddy held them, but the rest treated them like they were radioactive lmao. + +Also no, I'm a burger, I'm just doing this for fun and because its something Ive wanted to do for a while, and I had the opportunity, so I went for it. +--- 57843687 +>>57843677 +I should add, nips are conditioned from a young age to abhor violence. Like kids playing rock paper scissors dont slap their fist in their palm when they are playing because its percived as being violent +--- 57843692 +>>57843674 +Maybe shorted it to kendo? +--- 57843705 +>>57843687 +Oh, come on. I've also spent a lot of time in Japan, and some kids are in Judo, Sumo, and wrestling from age 5. "Martial" sports -- guns aside -- are more popular in Japan than they are anywhere else. +--- 57843713 +>>57843692 +Already exists. (It is slightly less based because of its autistic ruleset.) +--- 57843731 +This shit better be done in 1700's dress with spark/flint/miquel/wheel/match lock guns or I am not buying +--- 57843734 +>>57843705 +Nah, Im serious, not sure what the whole thing about it is, but that's what one of my co-workers said the other day. My best guess is that with kendo/sumo/etc. is that it's in a controlled environment with certain expectations vs out in public +--- 57843765 +>>57843595 (OP) +It already exists, the only difference is the Japanese-style ritualized training. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwC4RL-FpDE [Embed] + +This style of training can however also be applied to normal firearms-training there is no need for non-ideal form to be paired with it. +e.g. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQDfwyUgtjg [Embed] +--- 57843898 +>>57843644 +no anon, military snipers don't have olympic records. where did you get that idea from? and typically if a civillian shoots someone at long range it's called 'murder' and they get put in jail or executed for it. + +you seem to be confused as to what you're actually talking about, and are conflating multiple different things. that shit is very useful for winning olympic medals; that's why they use it. they don't care about if it's useful in a military context, because they're not in the military. see how that works? + +not everything to do with guns is a call of duty larp. maybe step away from the internet for a while. +--- 57843919 +>>57843687 +>Like kids playing rock paper scissors dont slap their fist in their palm when they are playing because its percived as being violent +They don't do it because they just don't do it. It's not because adults want them not to do it because violence +Japanese kids like to play pretend fights as Ultraman and stuff. +--- 57843920 +>>57843898 +Don't talk down to me, you fucking child. I am talking about general records concerning snipers. I am not talking about "WHOOAAAAA WHO GOT DA HIGHEST KDR!!??!" My point was the military snipers? They hold all the records related to sniping. Olympic "sniping" as you call it is only related to the sport. Which is why I fucking asked if any of their equipment had actual use in the context of actual sniping, because, you retard, sniping records can also extend to targets and hunting, not simply military contexts. Fucking dunce. +--- 57843971 +>>57843919 +Well yeah, when I say conditioned, I mean their parents yell at them to knock it off. Sorry that it came across that way, I got off work like 2 hours ago so im kinda schleepy +--- 57843991 +>>57843687 +I believe that's japs not wanting to be disruptive, something about maintaining harmony or some shit. Heard it explained once. +--- 57844004 +>>57843677 +You have jap friends? I'm surprised you found enough japs with acceptable English skills for that. Did you take the westaboo shooting at least? +--- 57844045 +>>57843991 +From what I hear, before the war they had a pretty vibrant gun culture going on, its that after losing the biggest war ever that started in part to their aggression and the years of occupation afterward, anything seen as "aggressive" became a cultural faux paus. Also yeah the cultural harmony thing has a lot to do with it. + +>>57844004 +Yeah, a few, unfortunately I couldnt go shooting with the westaboo since we didnt have the time, and all of the covid lockdown shenanigans happened literal weeks after he left the states so I didnt see him for another 3ish years until I met him again in Germany. Also it's pretty easy to find at least a curious acquaintance who can speak some japanglish at you, and if reciprocate it can grow from there. My westaboo buddy was like that and 4 years after I first met him, he is what I would consider to be basically fluent. +--- 57844062 +>>57843595 (OP) + +I got you OP + +https://youtu.be/-_y7PL23Cko [Embed] +--- 57844070 +>>57844045 +"Freeaboo", surely +--- 57844197 +There's a great moral degeneration doujin about two cute sisters who practice that. +--- 57844211 +>>57843644 +It's for consistency. +All the fancy bullshit just exists so the gun shoots the EXACT same way every single time. It's just about improving consistency. + +>>57843920 +>military snipers? They hold all the records related to sniping. +Because olympic athletes generally don't see combat? +--- 57844223 +>>57843640 +Based adventure haver. How expensive are the high-speed rail lines? +--- 57844281 +>>57844223 +Honestly not too awful, a ride from Kobe to Tokyo (~300 miles) is roughly $110 and takes 3 hours one way. While it is cheaper to fly that, with the Shinkansen you dont need to go through airport bullshit, and you get dropped generally where you want to be, and you can take the metro/other trains to anywhere else you want to go, so I feel that the convenience is worth whatever you would save flying. +--- 57844318 +>>57843640 +how much japanese do you need in your daily life? +I'm thinking of visiting and working from japan for a bit since my buisness is home office and I've got someone that can handle the physical paperwork +I can read katakana and a decent bit of vocab but making a coherent sentance is above me +--- 57844342 +>>57844281 +Right. I've heard it's not as cheap as people think, but that's still not bad. What's been the easiest adjustment to make? +--- 57844387 +>>57843595 (OP) +>. Pistols, without sights and certainly without optics, shot with one arm, at a 14" target 100 feet away. Only proper form, stillness of hand, and an absolute connection between the shooter and his weapon would ensure a hit. This would promote concentration, and would forge a bond between a man and his handgun, making them one being +Minus the lack of sights, what you're describing is NRA bullseye 50 yd slowfire. +It's 10 shots in 10 minutes, 1 minute each to make sure each shot is perfect +--- 57844420 +>>57844318 +Speaking isnt super required when it comes to daily life, especially in the big cities like tokyo where most people can speak english to some extent or another. Listening though I find is super useful, I can understand a decent amount and figure out most situations through context, but I cant do much more speaking beyond some pretty simple introductions. +My company does a bunch of the paperwork for me, so reading isnt suuuper important in my case, but I do know hira/katakana and some kanji and it does make a big difference. + +>>57844342 +Easiest is finding food lol. There are a ton of familiar chains and things so if you get a hankering for a burger you can just walk into a Wendy's and get one. Also getting groceries is pretty easy because they have supermarkets all over the place here. +--- 57844444 +>>57843920 +i can guarantee you a very decent Olympic shooter will outshoot a us army or marine sniper any day of the week when it comes to shooting a paper target at a distance. +and i can guarantee you the military sniper will outshoot an Olympic shooter in every other scenario that isn't shooting at a paper target. +I'm sorry anon, no matter how much you love Israel's greatest military force (US military) a guy with an $8,000 custom built gun and years upon years of practicing shooting a target with said gun will out-shoot the best taxpayer-trained grunt with a rifle made by the lowest bidder, who's training consists of maybe 50% distance shooting and 50% doing non-shooting related bullshit like pushups and surviving in a forest for a week +--- 57844490 +>>57844444 +You were given quints just to draw attention to how batshit retarded your cope/bait post is +--- 57844807 +>>57843595 (OP) +Already a thing +https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C5%8Djutsu +--- 57845507 +>>57843640 +>English teacher +JETson +--- 57845527 +>>57844807 +>Reenactment +:| +>Reenactment, Japan +:O +--- 57845641 +>>57843920 +>My point was the military snipers? They hold all the records related to sniping + +No they absolutely do not, lmao, a 5 second googling turned up this: + +https://www.themeateater.com/hunt/firearm-hunting/7-774-yards-new-world-record-rifle-shot-set-in-wyoming + +They hold the record for longest KILL-shots, of course, but that's because war is the only place where you can do that without getting thrown in jail, and war is where military snipers operate +--- 57845684 +>>57845527 +I've honestly come to respect re-enactment quite a bit. When I was young I saw it as cringe and gay, now I see it as something akin to practical history, understanding history by studying AND doing, and also giving a visual example to others of how it looked like. +--- 57845777 +>>57843595 (OP) +While there is a bit of a spiritual aspect to kyudo, it's often grossly exaggerated. Partially because you had to if you wanted to do anything remotely martial in the late forties, and largely because an old hippie weeb who didn't know any real Japanese wrote a book about it (Zen in the Art of Archery). Unsurprisingly, said book leaves a lot to be desired: https://thezensite.com/ZenEssays/CriticalZen/The_Myth_of_Zen_in_the_Art_of_Archery.pdf +Now we do have old martial arts dealign with firearms. On the whole they are basically just matchlock handling drills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BgP_G_U0iE [Embed] + +All said and done it's mostly that any practice requiring deep focus (target shooting being an obvious example) can take on spiritual undertones and the Japanese aren't shy about acknowledging that. + +>Pistols, without sights and certainly without optics, shot with one arm +You're missing the point. Kyudo uses old equipment just for tradition's sake (it's not like this is going to be a practically useful skill regardless), not because making shit harder somehow makes it more spiritual. You can be as focused on your shooting with a red dot as without sights. Your way of shooting simply means you don't need as long a shooting range to see the difference between good and great shooting. + +>>57843624 +>They shoot small calibers with absolutely laughable amounts of gear/optics and zero spiritual element. +You're focusing on the gear, they're focusing on the target. You're not going to buy your way to enlightenment regardless of whether it's a dioptre sight or sightless pistol you bought. If you want spirituality you'll have to put your vanity to the side and look elsewhere. +--- 57846253 +>>57843595 (OP) +Seems gay to me +--- 57847507 +>>57845777 +based and Buddha pilled +--- 57847795 +>>57845777 +>Practically useful skill +Considering the former prime minister was just assassinated with a musket a group of heavy archers could probably bring a city to it's knees. +Unfortunately vanishingly few traditional Japanese archers use the full power bows of the past. Samurai used to have tests where you'd have to shoot over a building that physically cannot be cleared from the starting position with a bow of less than 100 pounds draw weight. +--- 57848063 +>>57843595 (OP) +I'm in. would it be done using modern handguns or historical ones? +--- 57848126 +Any Japanese martial-art, which all end with -do, is a watered down version of the original -jitsu martial art that was largely lost because of the Meiji Reformation when traditional Japanese arts and traditions were largely banned. +Then when high schools and/or the Olympics got involved they got even more watered-down. You're looking at a LARP of a LARP when it comes to Japanese martial-arts. +--- 57848178 +>>57848126 +Jujutsu - Judo +Aiki-jujutsu - Aikido +Kenjutso - Kendo +Kyujutsu - Kyudo +--- 57848228 +>>57843595 (OP) +Have you seen a kyudo competition? They miss all the fucking time. All this "muh spiritual purity" bullshit is a bunch of cope that was made up in the late 19th century. I really doubt 16th century samurai gave a single solitary shit about "form" beyond your ability to hit what you're shooting at. +--- 57848669 +>>57845777 +>You're missing the point. Kyudo uses old equipment just for tradition's sake (it's not like this is going to be a practically useful skill regardless), not because making shit harder somehow makes it more spiritual. You can be as focused on your shooting with a red dot as without sights. Your way of shooting simply means you don't need as long a shooting range to see the difference between good and great shooting. +Based digits, kami-sama. +I do think, however, that the spirit of Kyudo lies precisely in its focus on form rather than its focus on piercing the target. +Kyudo practitioners are allowed to use new equipment. Carbon fiber and fiberglass bows are far more popular (and cheaper) than old-fashioned bamboo bows. Moreover, draw weights are low in kyudo -- historical/antique war bows are much harder to draw: http://gunbai-militaryhistory.blogspot.com/2017/07/yumi-japanese-bow.html +Lastly, in kyudo, you're not allowed to use any marking or tool that might help you aim. The focus is strictly on proper positioning and form. "A true shot always hits." This actually fosters a real bond between the archer and his arrow. Surely the same can be done for handguns, and not in a samurai-larp flintlock sense. +--- 57848736 +>>57848178 +>Kenjutso - Kendo +"Police kendo" is, in at least a few locations in Japan, kenjutsu + grappling. It's based. But regular kendo is lame because of a gimped set of competition rules, and modern "kenjutsu" is purest cringe. +--- 57848816 +>>57844211 +>Because olympic athletes generally don't see combat +A few biathlon shooters got caught up in Sarajevo during the sniper wars there. Apparently they did pretty well. One of them only went down because he kept camping the same spot and another one of the Biathlon guys from the other side caught on. +>t. Fry the Brain: The art of Urban Sniping and something something +--- 57848883 +>>57848126 +>Any Japanese martial-art, which all end with -do, is a watered down version of the original -jitsu martial art that was largely lost because of the Meiji Reformation +That's a bit unkind. The jitsu "art" forms are for practical war fighting, the do "way" forms are for self discovery. They're meditation aids. +They're not watered down or replacements. They serve different functions entirely. +--- 57849076 +>>57843624 +>muh small calibers +With that kind of shooting, caliber really doesn't make much of a difference outside of the wind pushing your bullet around more at a shorter range. + +>with absolutely laughable amounts of gear/optics +They have an adjustable stock and a peep sight with an aperture that's adjustable rather than needing to swap apertures. Modern tactical long range shooting is more gear focused. + +>inb4 the jacket is impractically stiff, when a motorcycle jacket is considered too stiff for competition use for that style of shooting +--- 57849125 +>>57849076 +> t. +--- 57849147 +>>57843692 +That's fencing +--- 57849216 +>>57849076 +They should have to kill a boar with their gun to qualify for the competition. +--- 57849258 +>>57849076 +>With that kind of shooting, caliber really doesn't make much of a difference +There's zero recoil. In real shooting, your stance is adjusted to handle recoil and your body is using a lot more muscle to brace. + +When I did precision shooting in high school, the coach told us "you should feel like a blob" when in position. You use as little muscle as humanly possible. If you tried shooting a .308 while completely relaxed in a standing or kneeling position, you'd get knocked on your ass 100% of the time and you'd get the shit beaten out of you by your own gun within 10 rounds. +--- 57849329 +>>57848126 +>because of the Meiji Reformation when traditional Japanese arts and traditions were largely banned +The Meiji government banned carrying swords in public. +The McCarthy administration banned most martial arts, taking aim at kendo and judo specifically (so, you know, the -do was there already). +No one banned tea ceremony, ikebana, ukiyo-e, etc. +You need to do your homework better. + +>>57848669 +>the spirit of Kyudo lies precisely in its focus on form rather than its focus on piercing the target. +Same shit most of the time, since form is necessary for accuracy. The rest of the movements are just there because the Japanese like to have a script to follow. + +>The focus is strictly on proper positioning and form. +Which you need to be accurate. You're largely making up a this-or-that schism where there is none so you can pretend it's all different and special and mystical. + +>Surely the same can be done for handguns, and not in a samurai-larp flintlock sense. +Sure, you can take the sights off of a gun. Don't expect that to expand your mind though, only your group sizes. What kind of spirituality are you looking for if you think a few metal nubs on a gun will stand in your way? And remember, Buddha rejected both luxury and asceticism. You going on about what sights specifically a gun has here is basically just vanity. +Go listen to people who actually have found spirituality in these things and you'll notice that what they speak of is repeated practice until they no longer have to consciously think of it and intense focus so they aren't consciously thinking of anything else either. The use of tools doesn't prevent this, but nor do you need to forge some kind of bond with any tool for it either. So just like finding enlightenment in Zen Buddhism by sitting down and shutting up ( https://www.amazon.com/Sit-Down-Shut-Up-Commentaries/dp/1577315596 ) spirituality in shooting isn't going to be a matter of buying a special blessed dharmablaster, Instead just load, aim, fire. +--- 57849338 +>>57849216 +>he doesn't know +https://www.grandviewoutdoors.com/predator-hunting/airguns-feral-hogs-going-small-bore-small-boar + +>>57849258 +>but you have to brace for recoil +No, you really don't. Not every style of shooting needs to focus on rapid fire. + +>If you tried shooting a .308 while completely relaxed in a standing or kneeling position, you'd get knocked on your ass 100% of the time +If you're a child. +--- 57849375 +>>57849338 +>https://www.grandviewoutdoors.com/predator-hunting/airguns-feral-hogs-going-small-bore-small-boar +I do know. I keep 17HMR and 22lr boar hunt videos tabbed so I can repost them here whenever people talk about caliber requirements for pigs. + + I wasn't saying that they couldn't, I was saying that they have to. +--- 57849408 +>>57849338 +>Not every style of shooting needs to focus on rapid fire +>If you're a child +A 300 pound man will be knocked off balance by a full-power rifle if he is only using enough muscle to keep himself upright in a position optimized for idle balance. The position is the polar opposite of sturdy. +--- 57849471 +>>57849408 +>A 300 pound man will be knocked off balance by a full-power rifle if he is only using enough muscle to keep himself upright in a position optimized for idle balance +Imagine actually believing this shit. +--- 57849639 +>>57849408 +Maybe if the rifle weighed as much as a deringer, and even the that's a maybe. +--- 57849744 +>>57849408 +Have you considered shooting in a stance that's actually stable when relaxed? +--- 57849915 +>>57843640 +DO YOU GET PUSSY? ARE THEY SHAVED OR SMOOTH? ARE THEY KAWAII UWU? +--- 57850911 +>>57849744 +Why do they wear those clown suits? +--- 57851009 +>>57849408 +Anon, I'm gonna need you to post a gun with timestamp, preferably with your wrist in view so we can laugh at what a twig you are. +--- 57852012 +>>57851009 +He has a point, though. "Practical" shooting and Olympic-style shooting are extremely different. Look at the "rifle COG" in >>57849744 +That's the worst possible way to hold a rifle if you need to use it in a defense or combat scenario. +--- 57852041 +>>57843624 +This is one of those sports invented just so wealthy people can join the olympics without the effort or skill +--- 57852107 +>>57843595 (OP) +>more ritualistic and intuitive shooting sport, should be developed. +Fuck you that's gay and retarded and so is nip archery. +--- 57852168 +>>57847795 +>musket +Leave. +--- 57852209 +>>57843595 (OP) +I try to use zen techniques for shooting +Instead of trying too hard I’ll point shoot and correct the sights and fire as if it were being done on instinct + +Not constantly trying to line up a sight which only makes me mess +--- 57852368 +>>57852012 +>the retard who is insisting you need to muscle a .308 onto target or it will knock you over has a point +No, he really doesn't. + +>b-but muh mag dumpy CQC is the only practical use for a rifle +Fuck off retard. +--- 57852672 +Ironically, as a practical (for killing or shooting accurately) martial art, it sucks. +Not only their bows require years of practice to master, the Japanese bow is limited severely in performance by its domestically available materials, and is therefore compensated by its giant cumbersome size. It also has very short range despite this, but this means that they can maintain a small easily maintainable firing range everywhere, a contributing factor to its worldwide popularity. +It is no surprise that the Japanese were eager to immediately ditch them for Portuguese Arquebus even though there was no real spike and shot tactics in Japan. +--- 57853606 +>>57852672 +>It also has very short range despite this +Absolute nonsense. They used to test Samurai archers by having them shoot from two structural landmarks that still exist, over a building that still exists. The shot is not physically possible without a shot equal to normal warbows with draw weights over 100 pounds. +--- 57855326 +>>57852209 +How’s that worked for you? +--- 57855702 +>>57853606 +I think he's confusing low draw weight bows for kyudo with historic warbows +--- 57855720 +>>57843607 +can you do shopping for weeb shit for us? theres a missing service no one has filled for that shit. the weeb kitkats are impossible to score here for under $10 for a single minipack. +--- 57855822 +>>57843607 +olympic shooting is gay as fuck and super retarded +--- 57855843 +>>57843595 (OP) +add rifles to the mix too. this would greatly improve instinct shooting. go for a traditional dress as well. traditional redcoats for our british friends. blue coats for the amerifats. stuff like that to keep it in line with the general theme +--- 57855855 +>>57843595 (OP) +Rituals are faggotry. Only efficient, devastatingly effective killing is worth of admiration, not degenerate play without useful combat purpose. +--- 57855856 +>>57843595 (OP) +You are aware there is a Japanese art of the gun, right? Hojutsu? +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BgP_G_U0iE [Embed] +--- 57855866 +>>57855855 +have a cheese burger. you're not yourself when you're hungry. +--- 57855890 +>>57850911 +Make oneself more rigid. Increase stability to the point where finals had to be regularly shot without the jackets to reintroduce some form of variability, otherwise every one would go 10/10 every shot. + +Only riflefags use them though, Olympic pistol is where its at. +--- 57855894 +>>57843625 +>>57843674 +It exists, see >>57855856 +The term is 砲術, "Hojutsu". The character 砲 is a bit more archaic, but it's the same one used for "Taiho"/"Dai-ho" (cannon/artillery, lit. "big gun"), and the same designation used for Imperial Japanese army weapons (ex. the Ho-103, the WWII era copy/clone of the M2 Browning) +--- 57855902 +>>57843595 (OP) +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BgP_G_U0iE [Embed] +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7wg0OQAa2A [Embed] +Japan's way ahead of you. +--- 57855925 +>>57845641 +>He's never hunted in the midwest +Shameful, really. +--- 57855945 +>>57845641 +>1 lucky shot after 5 hours of shooting +lol, lmao. +--- 57856083 +Japan anon here, just went into the city to go shopping for paint brushes for my 40k minis, went and oggled the airshit again, honestly buying one of these for shits and giggles sounds kinda fun. + +>>57855720 +Really? Theres no way that there isnt a service for that. But to be fair, those special kit kats arent all that cheap, and having to go out to don quixote to buy them in bulk, then ship them would add up quite a bit to the point where it wouldnt really be worh it unless I brought them on as a carryon next time I fly back to the US. + +However it probably would be worth if you wanted something that is either Japan exclusive or marked up a ton overseas like figurines and shit, Ive seen some stuff Ive won from an arcade for like 2 dollars sell for over 60 in the US. +--- 57856144 +>>57856096 +Hey, it's that gun! +--- 57856155 +>>57856096 +s 0yface activated +--- 57856175 +>>57855326 +Guns aren’t my original focus so I did much better after I started treating it as a martial art but with point shooting + +I like handguns and use one handed so maybe that wouldn’t work with a rifle +--- 57856247 +>>57856083 +yeah, j exclusive merch goes for big money, esp Starbucks shit. dudes make a living shipping cases to senpai in the states to sell for them. + +nintendo store fukubukuro bags. louis vuitton is like 1/4 usa price +--- 57856457 +>>57843595 (OP) +>What does /k/ think of my new martial art? +I think you should realise that aside froma veil of mystical bullshit its principles of repeatable form via muscle memory attained via practise are exactly that of western archery as practised in FITA Olympic pic recurve and to confirm that you should actually learn archery in a FITA club and read zen and the art of archery. I will say that both the physical form of draw and of course the bows, clickets, arrow tuners, materials, fletching etc of western recurve archery are evidently more advanced and interesting and teach you even more about perfect repeatability. Even iof I wanted trad I would go longbow. Your just another worthless thousand folded weeb (unless you are actually Japanese in which case based, enjoy your national traditions) +--- 57856464 +>>57843607 +Actually good first post with insight. +--- 57856561 +>>57856457 +Holy fuck, did you even read the post? It's about adapting handgun shooting to that paradigm. +--- 57856723 +>>57856561 +Never expect basic literacy skills on the internet, you'll only get disappointed and frustrated +--- 57856923 +>>57844444 +>very decent Olympic shooter +They don't use anything above .22LR past 50 yards. If you're firing "at a distance" they're probably not hitting shit, especially if they don't have the cope-jacket and pseudo-sling set-up on hand. Olympic shooters (outside of biathlon guys, they're based) are dogshit in every situation that isn't 100% tailored to ISSF regs. But hey, if you have proof of ISSF shooters consistently hitting several hundred meter shots with a conventional ""sniping"" round, by all means post it. +--- 57857599 +>>57843644 +Olympic shooters are basically minmaxing their way to victory in their very specific field, the problem being that their 'field' is shooting small stationary targets at 10 or 25 meters with gucci .22s and all the gear money can buy. Olympic marksmen are great at what they do and the gear helps them, it's just that it's all so niche and incredibly specific that there's very little carry over to any kind of practical application. If you gave them an iron sighted 10/22 and told them to shoot a bottlecap at 25 meters could they do it? Very likely. Could they take out a boar running at 300 meters with a rifle caliber rifle outfitted with a scope? Entirely different ball game to what they're used to, probably not. +--- 57857635 +>>57848816 +sauce on pic? +--- 57857645 +>>57857635 +Looks like Grisaia. +--- 57857806 +There are already many branches of competitive shooting, all of which require discipline to excel at to the point they might as well be martial arts. +Accuracy and form above all else: + - Olympic rifle & pistol + - Bullseye (with variations of equipment, range, and stances) + +Speed with acceptable accuracy under simulated stress: + - Biathlon + - "Brutality" competitions + - USPSA / IPSC (freestyle, you are given a stage and you clear it how you want) + - IDPA (more like executing a kata, you run the stage exactly as prescribed) +--- 57857842 +>>57856561 +Not him but no +--- 57858154 +>>57857806 +Does any of those involve point shooting? +--- 57858369 +>>57858154 +Practical shooting stages can but often don't. +--- 57858765 +>>57843625 +>He's ignoring pitch accent +--- 57859361 +>>57844045 +>Faux paus. +Everybody point and laugh at the stupid Gaijin, kids. +--- 57859858 +>>57848816 +I vaguely remember it came up in Nagano or SLC because some of the competitors were stacking bodies in the war and then went back to competition once things settled down. +--- 57859896 +>>57855855 +Sorry, symbolism is a human thing, a drone wouldn't get it. +--- 57860038 +>>57857806 +I want zen added, I want it to be to the point where you’re shooting in what’s practically an altered state of consciousness where you’re a point shooting machine +--- 57860619 +>>57860038 +In all seriousness, shooting without sights would teach you to be absolutely hyper-autistic about your grip and wrist positioning, so even without the zen, it would develop good handgun shooting habits. +--- 57862820 +>>57856464 +Isn't this book mostly bullshit written by someone who isn't even Japanese? +--- 57862885 +>>57845777 +>and largely because an old hippie weeb who didn't know any real Japanese wrote a book about it (Zen in the Art of Archery) +is this like the fucking Ninja thing where the concepts regarding modern ninjas were invented in the 60's/70's by some larper otaku? +How many times has this happened +--- 57862892 +>>57862820 +Anon, it's about the experiences of someone who isn't Japanese who took up Kyudo while in Japan. +--- 57863862 +>>57862885 +There is an authentic Japanese ninja tradition, but it's nothing like the 80s-90s bullshit +--- 57864361 +>>57843595 (OP) +this "muh spiritual connection with muh gunz" is such homosexual faggotry. a gun is a tool, a weapon, an ooga booga stick that goes boom, it is not a living thing or a being, it is not a spiritual thing. it is a weapon designed to kill people. you are completely full of fucking shit and obviously a touch starved loser psycho if you think your gun is somehow magical or le deep. get a real connection with another human being and stop worshipping your guns like a nutcase +--- 57865116 +>>57864361 +--- 57867004 +>>57864361 +>get a real connection with another human being and stop worshipping your guns like a nutcase +--- 57868159 +>>57848816 +Aren't most of the stories in that book at least partially fabricated? He goes off on a anime monologue about how he knows who the sniper is because he was clearly just shot at with a mauser and there are only like 7 mausers in the country, one of which was sporterized and used by that guy, which is so stupid and unlikely that it wraps around to being funny. +--- 57870851 +>>57864361 +No +--- 57870966 +>>57864361 +Respect and honor your gear anon +--- 57872060 +>>57843607 +This. It's retarded except for the cute girls in cute uniforms. + +>MUH archer's spirit folded over 9000 times +--- 57872263 +If you want a gun to shoot with the mindset of practicing an art, you won't regret getting a good single action revolver like pic related +The SAA in particular intuitively points the best, has unmatched ergos, and its cartridge is more than enough to make the most of each shot +With training, you absolutely will fire the first shot and land it at even 75+ yards +It is also meant to be wielded with one hand having been designed for cavalry use, the plow handle aids in this regard, and by attuning yourself to it the SAA will elegantly roll with the recoil of each shot +--- 57872313 +>>57843595 (OP) +>thread mentioning pistols shot with one hand +>a method of shooting using no sights +>just going off instinct +>not one reply with webm related for TWO DAYS +--- 57872606 +This exists and it's called gunkata +Go watch equilibrium and learn the ways of a Tertranomicin Cleric +--- 57872857 +>>57872606 +Yknow since this system was designed specifically off of analysis of the shot patterns of the mostly untrained savages with AK outside the city, I'm wondering if you could more or less short circuit a cleric's brain by simply breaking the pattern in some strange way, like training your men to drop to the floor and shoot from prone, or aim at the pelvis instead of the head and chest. diff --git a/k/57847204.txt b/k/57847204.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..42af196768ac6c898726143734b8093aadf61bcb --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57847204.txt @@ -0,0 +1,221 @@ +----- +--- 57847204 +like a regular kino thread but only post the good guys/winning team +--- 57847234 +>>57847204 (OP) +Ngl that looks ugly as fuck. Surely there's a better way to do a flag livery? +--- 57847576 +>good guys +>winning team +--- 57847612 +>>57847204 (OP) +>only post the good guys/winning team +--- 57847622 +>>57847204 (OP) +--- 57847639 +>>57847622 +--- 57847654 +>>57847639 +--- 57847771 +>>57847204 (OP) +>winning team +--- 57847800 +>>57847204 (OP) +It's a shame what amerimutts did to the East India company flag +--- 57847816 +>>57847800 +It's the Greek flag actually +--- 57847894 +>>57847816 +Greek fag? +--- 57848237 +>>57848233 +Isn't that a Tornado and Mirage +--- 57848332 +>>57848325 +cute crab in thumbnail +--- 57849102 +I fucking love America +--- 57849113 +>>57847612 +>in a state of potential collapse(again) +--- 57849124 +>>57849113 +Technically, everything is in a constant state of potential collapse. That's what potential means +--- 57849126 +>>57847612 +>>57849113 +>invade country, rule it for 20 years +>educate all the women +>refuse to elaborate +>leave +--- 57849132 +>>57848362 +Does the military ever give people proper protection when it comes to the shit in air whenever a building collapsed? At least a balaclava would give some protection against the dust or sand. +--- 57849135 +>>57849102 +quite aesthetic +--- 57849143 +>>57849126 +Insane how quickly Americans turn into Vatnik tier copers. I’ve said this over and over, as someone who’s lived in both Russia and the US for periods, Americans are just vatniks with more money. +--- 57849171 +>>57849124 +The taliban and Pakistan are close to a collapse than anybody else. The taliban because the country is still unstable and their population are about to suffer from a famine because of being reliant on western gibs. +>>57849126 +>educate women +Having educated people doesn't mean anything when you refuse them into power or any kind of field that they specialize in. America gave the Afghans a foundation, but its up to them on whether or not they want to improve on it. +--- 57849184 +>>57849143 +12 Americans died during the invasion and takeover of Afghanistan +139 Americans died during the invasion and takeover of Iraq +both operations were successful. what happened after that (the occupation and nationbuilding) is generally regarded by Americans as having been a huge waste of time, lives, and money, but regardless of your opinion it is the truth that the US ran the show for two decades with no significant opposition. +--- 57849200 +>>57849143 +>copers +In what way? No one is denying that Afghanistan was a failure. It wasn't a failure in terms of military because america was able to invade and occupy successfully. What was a failure was the set up of government and military that will take over without american assistance. It worked in iraq, but didn't work in Afghanistan for obvious reasons. +--- 57850501 +>>57848237 +No it’s an AAAAAAAAAAAARDVAAAAAAAAARK +--- 57850757 +>>57849126 +Unironically you are coping, come on anon. +--- 57851884 +>>57851801 +WHY + +WHY CAN'T I HAVE IT + +SHE'S SO GORGEOUS +--- 57851957 +>>57849143 +Anon you're just a retard at this point, how can you unironically struggle with reading this hard +--- 57853712 +>>57849171 +2 more weeks +--- 57854505 +>>57848237 +VARK VARK VARK VARK VARK + +>>57848338 +>>57851425 +>>57851583 +F-35 can tongue my anus +--- 57856060 +>>57847419 +why are yuro tanks so disgusting looking? +--- 57856140 +>>57851801 +>>57851884 +I want her so much +--- 57856510 +>>57854505 +Watch a 35 fly in person and it might change your mind. It did for mine. +--- 57856617 +>>57849143 +>make an irrelevant shitpost +>get called a bumbling retard +>HURR, YOU'RE COPING LIKE A VATNIK!!! +lmao, why are you subhumans like this? +--- 57856850 +>>57856510 +https://litter.catbox.moe/y0ccfu.mp4 +It sure warmed me up. No other plane puts out sound with such intensity, even the F-22. And as with most combat jets the roar is felt, not merely heard. +--- 57857368 +>>57856510 +I live 30 minutes away from the assembly line. +I know too much about it to be able to love it. +--- 57858313 +>>57847204 (OP) +point_mugu_skies routinely puts out great shots +--- 57858718 +>>57858313 +nice +--- 57858980 +>>57858902 +hnng +--- 57859009 +>>57847204 (OP) +>only post the good guys/winning team +Nah, Imma post american ones instead +--- 57859071 +>>57852776 +Took me years to figure out why I thought the E variant was so much more sexy than the C's, it's all in the conformal tanks! +--- 57859244 +>>57859071 +never knew this until rn lol +--- 57860241 +>>57860229 +--- 57860254 +>>57860241 +--- 57860744 +>>57858313 +I saw that plane today at Long Beach Airport. +--- 57860777 +>>57860241 +--- 57861114 +>>57860777 +trips of f15 enjoyment awwwyeah +--- 57861196 +>>57848237 +>>57848233 + +So, while those are a F4, F111 and F15 respectively, I'm a bit confused by the one on the far right side. + +It looks to me like a Mirage III, with Romanian air force roundels. But AFIK the Romanian AF hasnt used Mirage IIIs. + +So what is it, or which airforce is that? +--- 57862566 +>>57861196 +Belgium. It’s black, not blue and that should be a Mirage 5. +--- 57862760 +>>57848233 +>>57861196 +Mirage 5 BR, belgian as >>57862566 said +--- 57863596 +>>57848233 +F-111 is so perfect. +--- 57864706 +>>57863596 +i think its my most aesthetic plane no cap +--- 57864717 +wrong pic >>57864706 +--- 57865222 +>>57862566 +>>57862760 +Beldium. duh. I'm a fucking idiot, I thought ti was blue not black. + +Thanks, that's that puzzle resolved. +--- 57865707 +>>57847658 +>>57847693 +I still can't get over the fact these were real vehicles that were actually issued to troops +--- 57865757 +>>57865707 +yeah its a uniquely cool, based, and aesthetic vehicle. a rarity of engineering and art in any field or medium +--- 57866720 +>>57866277 +This is from the IMAX Red Flag movie, btw. +Lots of cool aerial cinematography, but kinda shit delivery. +--- 57866726 +>>57847204 (OP) +have some growlers,they need appreciation + +microwave the enemy. +--- 57870148 +>>57847204 (OP) +>good goys +--- 57870842 +>there are people RIGHT NOW living in the most powerful empire with the most powerful economy and technology in the history of the world who STILL aren't patriots +Fuck this political division, as a center-left leaning person +We should compromise on issues and stop infighting so we can continue to eternally BTFO the rest of the world +sad many such cases +--- 57870907 +>>57870842 +Hell yeah brother +--- 57871195 +>>57847639 + +Can anyone identify this guy's boots? They look cozy +--- 57872925 +>>57870842 +Based diff --git a/k/57847993.txt b/k/57847993.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a2b9e102ae442a8096c3e0fc8846a4feb5537573 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57847993.txt @@ -0,0 +1,963 @@ +----- +--- 57847993 +Your daily LANCET kill, couple tens of millions of dollars more of your taxes up in flames. +--- 57848012 +The observer is an Orlan I think, the shitty stabilization symbology is familiar, where's the FPV footage from the lancet? +--- 57848019 +>>57847993 (OP) +>>57848000 +Ok +--- 57848029 +>>57847993 (OP) +Okay +--- 57848035 +Ok +--- 57848046 +>>57848012 +Here is another LANCET kill from today with FPV. +--- 57848049 +>>57848000 +Sure bruv +--- 57848053 +ok +--- 57848058 +>today +--- 57848061 +Ok +--- 57848064 +>>57847993 (OP) +Did you add the flames again pajeet? +--- 57848077 +>>57848000 +so? lmao Finland and soon Sweden will join NATO +--- 57848087 +>>57847993 (OP) +>daily +LMAO +>YOU are bankrolling this war +We can afford it, unlike poor russians that need to cancel their WW2 victory parade +>a vassal of the US, lol +Subhumans like you can't understand mutually beneficial relationships, yet they try to peddle BRICS as a real thing +--- 57848090 +>>57847993 (OP) +>>57847986 → +Mhhh.... +--- 57848133 +>>57848095 +Get better material, it didn't work at the start in 2022 and still doesn't +--- 57848136 +>>57847993 (OP) +>daily +I think you meant "weekly"? +Did you finally stop using the Lancet-#number# format? +I guess it's good since the last one you posted last week was lancet-55 or something like that. +--- 57848138 +Reminder to report all pajeet lancet posts. Jannies know he's just a crossboarding troll so the response is normally quick. +--- 57848148 +>>57848133 +Weird, it seems to look like the Vatnik Bingo 2022 looks like the Vatnik Bingo 2023. +--- 57848153 +>>57847993 (OP) +You sure that's a krab? I can't see shit here. +--- 57848157 +>>57848095 +>mentally ill homosexuals are living rent free in his head +I somewhat pity you creatures. +--- 57848169 +>>57848000 +no one asked +--- 57848208 +Im so demorgalized gaise, better message my senators to give Ukraine ATACMS so they can kill more Russians. +--- 57848213 +>>57847993 (OP) +good morning sir +I know another cheap and efficient technology that might be useful for you +--- 57848224 +>>57848148 +They haven't changed their script in more than a year. You can go into the archives and look into /k/ threads from the early weeks and it's pretty much the same as today after the first days. +--- 57848229 +DESIGNATED +--- 57848234 +>>57847993 (OP) +Are there any lancet videos that aren't blurry and shitty? Why even bother to post propaganda this bad +--- 57848235 +>>57847993 (OP) +There are ~24 million Russian men aged between 18 and 44, if we are willing to spend as much as we spent of the GWOT (which I am) that means we can afford $120,833 per dead Russian. +We must invest now to build a better tomorrow. +--- 57848254 +>>57848229 +SHITTING +--- 57848259 +>>57848138 +see >>57848090 +Looks like he started to make threads from two devices, two Lancet threads made in under a minute (dont get fooled by the posting time if you hover over the link to the other thread, it shows the UTC (???) time), one being blatant and one made with denialbility in mind. +--- 57848260 +>>57848095 +It is fucking insane what a dumpster fire /k/ is now. A fucking video of a weapon in use +>noooooo fuck you vatnig street shiting pajeet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! +>ukie drone nade drop +>omg so based!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! +Interesting seeing all the new shit mixed with old shit on the battlefield. +--- 57848266 +>>57848260 +>>noooooo fuck you vatnig street shiting pajeet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! +>>ukie drone nade drop +>>omg so based!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! +This, but unironically. +--- 57848331 +>>57848254 +Lancets? +--- 57848342 +>designated lancet threads +You tards were so close +--- 57848351 +>>57848331 +--- 57848353 +>>57848277 +Armatard sucks donkey dicks. +--- 57848371 +What happened this time? +--- 57848381 +>>57848371 +Russians brought T-55's to the front +--- 57848395 +>>57848277 +This is the garbage I am talking about. You can tongue my anus. +--- 57848400 +>>57848266 +fucking this 100%. +between the shilling and the constant scam calls i'm starting to think india should be fucking glassed as well. +--- 57848405 +If Lancet is so good I wonder why Russia still lost 7 times over more equipment than Ukraine +--- 57848417 +>>57848000 +I'll gladly bankroll another 10k pieces of heavy equipment to kill your kind +--- 57848419 +>>57848339 +The jannies are actually based? What a twist! +--- 57848427 +>>57848395 +>so assblasted he posta a pic +kek +--- 57848432 +>>57848260 +>Please do not redeem sirs +--- 57848436 +>>57848260 +The OP's literal first two opening posts were him talking shit to no one from an obvious RU bias perspective so don't even try to pretend there was any good faith hope for discussion. +--- 57848443 +>>57848395 +In case you haven't noticed; you are replying to a troll and shill, he does these kind of false flag posts to rile you up so you will attack posters who call him out or Armatard. Or that's what he thinks is going to happen when he does it. +--- 57848452 +>>57847993 (OP) +Oh no my tax dollars... said no American who actually pays taxes. Will you vatniks ever understand that as long as Russians are dying we will support the cause? +--- 57848455 +>>57847993 (OP) +>US shouldn't arm Ukraine because it costs you tax dollars +It wouldn't be costing my tax dollars if ruskies hadn't invaded. It wouldn't be costing my tax dollars if they weren't shooting lancets at shit. It wouldn't be costing my tax dollars if ukies didn't need a constant stream on nlaws and tows. If ruskies went home today it would cost zero tax dollars. +--- 57848469 +>SIR! YOU MUST CARE! SIR! YOUR TAX DOLLARS, SIR! +Turdie Thirdie +--- 57848478 +>>57847993 (OP) +Why do you imagine that's real money? Stop being poor. Killing Russians is a wonderful use of my money in revenge for their helping kill tens of thousands of my milbros in proxy wars. + +I frequently annoy my Congressman to send more aid. I want YOU shillngiggers to die in a ditch or lead lives of shame that you fled the fight for your Rodina. Your mothers and sisters have emigrated to rent their bodies for decades since the Wall came down and it's time to replenish the bars of Asia with your widows. +--- 57848485 +>>57848427 +Yep before any of you stupid niggers ask for gun/timestamp. I am not armatard or whatever russian boogey that is living rent free in your heads. +--- 57848496 +>>57848469 +>SIR, DO NOT REDEEM THE 'PREGNANT ANNE FRANK' ARTILLERY SHELL! I SAID DO NOT RED- ACK +--- 57848504 +>>57848445 +You have such a garbage take on things it is hilarious and sad at the same time. +--- 57848505 +>>57848095 +They're killing vatniggers who are gayer than Mardi Gras with a raep bonus. Your memes just fuel my amusement. + +Post hand and guns. +--- 57848507 +>>57848000 +You should thank me. +--- 57848508 +>>57847993 (OP) +what the fuck is this footage? Can't fucking see shit. Don't they put DSLRs in their shit? +--- 57848511 +>>57847993 (OP) +>Option A +>120 billion on weapons to stop a horde of murdering, raping asiatic rusniggers +or +>Option B +>120 billion fo' dem programs + +Vote now and dubs doubles the amount! +--- 57848518 +>>57848511 +fuck niggers +--- 57848521 +>>57848478 +It's nice to see in this age of political extremism there are still some moderates around. +--- 57848524 +NOOOO NOT THE HECKIN' TAXDOLLARINOS THEY COULD HAVE BEEN SPENT FOR ISRAEL OR THE BAMBOOZLING BROWNERINOS I AM LITERALLY SHAKING RIGHT NOW +--- 57848525 +>>57848436 +>what is the tactical advantage of +Nigger every thread about this war starts off this way, I just want to see something get blown up. +--- 57848526 +>>57847993 (OP) +If the choice is the government spending my tax dollars on gay nigger tranny pedo propaganda or on cool military shit, then I choose cool military shit. +--- 57848534 +>>57848486 +Glowie screecher (You) is Armatard's little bitch and since he has nothing he can show for, all he can do is false flag as his enemies trying to get posters to hate his enemies. Imagine being such a faggot. Btw if i'm Glowie Screecher, than i'm confirming that i'm a little bitch and need to be culled. +--- 57848546 +>>57848000 +This, ladybois and gentlemen is what fetal alchohol syndrome looks like. +--- 57848554 +>make weapons to kill russian +>omg why are they using these weapons to kill russian? + +I know Russia and China are the main enemies now but we have to start thinking about bombing India too. +--- 57848555 +>>57848542 +Says the guy getting his lancet footage from reddit. +>>57848138 +--- 57848558 +>>57848534 +You are a true faggot. Is armatard in the room with you now? Where did he touch you? +--- 57848574 +>>57848235 +I'm willing to double if we commit to genociding all Russians. +--- 57848593 +>>57848554 +We don't need to bomb India, they are just getting uppety because BRICs propaganda has convinced them the the west is failing, the irony is it was until Russia forced us to get our shit together. +As soon as Indians realize we are still so far ahead we could exterminate them for fun they'll go back to being good little dalit. +--- 57848618 +>>57848558 +Yes, glowie screecher is a true faggot. Strange how i can say that, but you can't and i'm supposed to be him. + +You wanna know how this idiot got his name? He couldn't comprehend anyone having another opinion, so he made up this fantasy world of how everyone disagreeing with him or saying stuff he doesn't like was actually a goverment shill and how they have overrun /k/. Such a dumb faggot, and salty, rile him up and he'll start seething for days and make his passive aggressive false flag posts during that time. +--- 57848630 +>>57848561 +>-t. DGSE +Seethe Frenchie. +--- 57848632 +>>57848554 +Pajeets are fucking retarded. They've enjoyed 50 years of positive image in the West thanks to Gandhi, hippies, and murderous islamists, and yet they're still butthurt about us instead of taking the opportunity to join us. +The day the West begins treating them like we do Russia or China, they're going to really understand the privileged pass they have now. +--- 57848668 +>>57848618 +What the fuck are you even going on about? Holy shit you are off your meds you sad sack of shit. Can we just agree this was a shit lancet video compared to the others, then you tongue my anus and fuck off. +--- 57848678 +>>57848095 +--- 57848683 +>>57848632 +Being prorussian in India is a sign of being a poor or dumb pleb. To be fair they are also the main and easiest target of russian shill farms. + +t. non Indian knower +--- 57848729 +>>57848683 +This message needs to be spread far and wide to Indian audiences, that being pro Russian means losing prestige. How can we do this? +--- 57848743 +>>57848722 +You mean OP’s incoherent offtopic pro Russian spamming? +--- 57848757 +>>57848668 +What i'm talking about? +You (glowie screecher) are a salty schizo, you false flag around to cope and can't actually insult glowie screecher, but instead always try to aim it at the person you are replying to instead. + +Btw, did you know what a cuck he is? He's the idiot that made the Armachad picture with the magazines, imagine being such a cuck. Amirite? Actually answer to this, is this some stupid and cucked behavior? +--- 57848807 +>>57848757 +>you are a cuck +>please answer my 4chan post +Not that anon, but you sound mentally unwell. +--- 57848822 +>>57848757 +You dumb nigger I posted guns because I knew some faggot like you would call me armatard. Fuck off you dumb ape and enjoy the paranoid fantasies in your tiny head. +--- 57848838 +>>57848000 +Lol why you mad though? +--- 57848847 +>>57848743 +>proving my point +--- 57848888 +>>57848822 +I didn't call you Armatard, i was the one who told you the person calling you Armatard is a troll and shill, who does this to get your reaction and train you to attack posters who actually point out Armatard. +--- 57848903 +>>57848095 +I know you fantasize about fucking trannies but they aren't even that common in the west. Iran is full of then though and South Asia has many. +--- 57848909 +>>57848757 +>>57848618 +This poster is the Glowie screecher, also. Another example of being a troll and a shill to train people to attack posters who actually call out Glowie screecher. +--- 57848915 +>>57847993 (OP) +What did it destroy ?Sorry I can't see shit. +--- 57848916 +>>57848807 +>>>Y-ou are glowie screecher! You are a faggot! +>>Well, no. But yes, glowie screecher is faggot and these other things, do you agree? +>Umm, not answering this quesition +I win, you lose, and there is nothing that you can do about it, glowie screecher. Well, except for the usual seething and tantrums. +--- 57848918 +>>57848478 +>revenge for their helping kill tens of thousands of my milbros in proxy wars. +Now I wouldnt really say that the USA is a blameless victim there. Your buddies were there to fight the other side of that proxy war. +--- 57848933 +>>57848046 +And I thought the tank one was obviously faked fpv. +--- 57848964 +>>57848888 +You are right. Anyway I must confess, I am The ArmaTard. Next anon who rolls dubs gets my long/lat for a drone strike. +--- 57848973 +>>57848521 +The hard rod she needs and deserves. +--- 57848976 +>>57848916 +>still false flagging +Sad +--- 57848981 +>>57848916 +I am glowie screecher, not that him/her/it. +--- 57848994 +>>57848504 +get fucked you zigger cunthole +--- 57848995 +>>57848909 +>>57848976 +>still can't say really bad things about glowie screecher +>continues with this flaseflagging +Well, if i'm glowie screecher than i'm a registered sex offender. Now you say it. +--- 57849005 +>>57847993 (OP) +This is 2 or 3 weeks old, Ramesh. +--- 57849010 +>>57848888 +>still can’t attack either Armatard or Glowie Screecher +Armatard and Glowie Screecher need to be permabanned. Now you repeat it. +--- 57849025 +>>57848000 +Why does the existence of poland make you seethe so much? +--- 57849027 +>>57848964 +>ArmaTard +Don't wanna ruin your party, but it's Armata-rd, the russian T-14 Armata was the reason he got the name or to be more precise his stupid obsession with it. +--- 57849038 +>>57847993 (OP) +Worth it. I'd rather see more of this than writing off the student debt of some dipshit with a masters in Queer Afro-American studies. It's also better than free healthcare for brainlets. +--- 57849043 +>>57848511 +Could always be used national deb... +Hahahahaha +--- 57849044 +>>57849010 +Armatard and Glowie Screecher need to be permabanned. +Still waiting for you to acknowledge the stuff in >>57848995, >>57848757 and >>57848618, and before you ask it's all correct. +--- 57849057 +>>57848678 +Never stop +--- 57849059 +>>57849038 +>/pol/ tier samefagging +>in an Armatard thread +there are less surprises up your sleeve every day +--- 57849080 +>>57848933 +Average ZOG goy knowledge of optics. +--- 57849090 +>>57849062 +hello dennis +--- 57849097 +>>57849062 +>glowie screecher doubling down after his false flag attempts failed and backfired +That was quicker than usual. +--- 57849104 +vatniggers will spam the stupidest offtopic shit 10 times in 15 minutes and then cry "it's a NATO conspiracy" when their spam gets cleaned up by tranny-janny +--- 57849109 +>>57849104 +This +--- 57849122 +>>57849110 +Yeah Dennis is cringe. +--- 57849140 +>>57849110 +>>57849111 +It's funny, when you are a shill who posts from two devices and you press post at the same time on both you can get consecutive post numbers. +--- 57849148 +>>57849144 +lol ok Rajeesh +--- 57849151 +>>57849144 +Sure dennis. +--- 57849152 +>>57849111 +Jesus, what's in vodka and pot these days? +--- 57849153 +>>57849140 +based retard +--- 57849158 +>>57849104 +It is a lancet video, and no one has talked about the stupid thing. Because the ukie fanatics won't shut the fuck up. A million ukie drone nade vids +>fucking based omg kill russians!!!!! +>heckin based moderate!!!!!!!!!!! +>one shitty video of a lancet +>omg you fucking shill why post this +You can't have a fucking discussion. +--- 57849159 +>>57849111 +But i thought Armatard was fake and you just made Armatard posts for fun 5-6 days a week for years, and 90% of all times when someone was called Armatard it was you? +--- 57849174 +>>57849158 +yeah +--- 57849186 +>>57849144 +Glowie screecher, you really need to go to a psychiatrist, doubling down on a nigerian coconut carving forum isn't an adequate alternative for your severe developing mental illness. +--- 57849191 +>>57849158 +You can't see shit in the video what do you want to hear? +--- 57849197 +>>57849164 +That was really cute Pramit, we bullied you so much you are trying to copy us. +--- 57849213 +>>57849158 +It's because /k/ hates russia and russians. Always has. Any sensible person does. +--- 57849220 +>>57849196 +Only funny thing to watch is how often you try different and contradicting shit and hope something will stick, glowie screecher. +--- 57849239 +>>57849220 +Now there are two glowie screechers in the thread? Maybe someone could put two or three Ukraine shills together and actually achieve a triple digit IQ. +--- 57849244 +>>57849158 +OP literally is a cum /chug/ging indian who takes the videos from Reddit and only comes here to start shit. And he's been doing it for months and months, but god forbid anyone would remember that. +--- 57849247 +>>57849210 +i wonder +--- 57849249 +>>57849220 +kys room temp IQ slav +--- 57849262 +>>57849239 +Who said there are two? +--- 57849268 +>>57849158 +>It is a lancet video, and no one has talked about the stupid thing +It's pretty funny to see you seething yet missing why anons here mock you and your videos, pajeet. +Maybe if you tried to post those with a more neutral tone and as a matter of fact it would work, but you can't stop seething and writing like a fucking cumchugger retard. +It's not really because you post russian "wins", it's because you're insufferable. +--- 57849279 +>Russian video +>Its pure dogshit +Fucking kek +--- 57849281 +>>57849262 +I did + +t. other anon +--- 57849288 +>>57849062 +The projections from the idiot who brought us funny stories like: +>it's CIA +>it's Earnest Voice +>it's the state deparment +>it's Langley +>it's bots +>it's MI-6 +>it's Shareblue +>it's an indian call center +>it's a nigerian sweat shop +>it's Israel +>it's jannies +>it's bots run rampant across the internet +>it's polish and ukrainian workers shitposting after they got off work +>It's DOD shills +>it's the shill +>it's a polish descent in the US eastern time zone +>it's estonian shills +>it's ukranian shills +>it's people making up a new boogie man cartoon character +>it's oinker +--- 57849295 +>>57848064 +Holy fuck that's good. You can see the first bit a smoke disappear. Can't trust shit +--- 57849313 +>>57849281 +And what makes you say it? +--- 57849316 +So for the last several months I have fet like I didn't care about the war and was annoyed by constant shilling. But honestly I think I am enjoying the idea of NATO crushing the Russian retards. I watched Red Dawn the other night and figure since I'm a NATO country citizen fuck it. Eat shit russia +--- 57849337 +>>57849316 +Russia turns out to be so shit that they make people root for NATO. What a time to be alive +--- 57849356 +>>57849062 +>Ukraine glowies are so powerful they went back in time to like 2014 to create the Armatard persona +I kneel +--- 57849380 +>>57849360 +Paranoia is no way to live +--- 57849381 +>>57849360 +>Very organic. Upvoted, even. +--- 57849397 +>>57848000 +I paid $95,000 (yes, 95k) in taxes last year. I relish the thought of that money going to kill more Russians. +--- 57849401 +>>57849316 +And there is no one else to blame for that but themselves, if they didn't had shilled their shitty stuff so much, if they didn't had been such pretenious assholes, if they didn't had called everyone weak and cucked all the time, if they actually had as much balls as fucking iranian woman and actually revolted against their tyranical goverment,... all this would not have happened. +--- 57849412 +>>57849337 +For months I quit even coming on this board because it was just NATO shills and russian shills fighting. But having recently gotten on a Cold War kick, I'm feelin real fuckin NATO +--- 57849445 +>>57849401 +I don't really care about all that, I just enjoy being part of the winning team and have been on an M81 and M16a1 kick lately. Plus I'm already paying for the war with my taxes so might as well make some popcorn and roll with it. The more things change the more they stay the same. 40 years ago we were in a Cold War with Russia. And now we are again, except this time the USSR is gone and its just them being morons. Kinda kino in a way. +--- 57849466 +>>57849445 +>M81 +I may be wrong, but i think some of the Bradleys that went to Ukraine had or got that camo. Pure kino about to happen. +--- 57849487 +>>57849288 +--- 57849507 +>>57849487 +--- 57849518 +>>57847993 (OP) +>>57848000 +>tens of millions of dollars +Every single day the United States of America pays 1.3 billion dollars to service the interest on federal debt. That means every hour 54 million dollars is paid to service interest alone on the federal debt. Every minute nearly a million dollars goes to servicing the INTEREST and only the INTEREST on the federal debt. Now eat the fucking McDonalds franchise burger and be crushed by the imperial economic might of America with the rest of the "global south" third world shitskin, +--- 57849548 +>>57849518 +And while Russia is currently trying to field T-55 to have tanks in service, the US is casually having a T-90A laying around on some parking lot in Lousiana. >>57831001 → +--- 57849578 +>>57849556 +>/k/eddit +Way to out yourself as a spammer and a tourist +--- 57849582 +>>57849556 +>/k/eddit +post discarded +--- 57849603 +>>57849518 +Unless we lose the petro $ status. Hard to project any power when a loaf of bread is $20. I am more worried about that then a war. +--- 57849618 +>>57849578 +>>57849582 +I already posted guns tongue my anus +--- 57849621 +>>57847993 (OP) +Too bad I guess. +Looks like we need to send the Ukies more shit. +--- 57849633 +>>57849556 +>terminally online orange county contrarian ancap retard +At least pajeets have excuses to be retarded and shill for their country, you're just a defective subhuman and a traitor +--- 57849640 +>>57849603 +>implying a strong Russia and China will not actually make this happen far more likely than supporting the collapse of tyranic Russia +--- 57849644 +>>57849582 +you have to go back +--- 57849655 +>>57849618 +>posted guns +Any retard can own guns. If you think that gives you a pass here, you out yourself as a tourist that doesn't really know this board. +--- 57849658 +>>57849645 +>now +--- 57849672 +>57849645 +>reeee mods and jannies are not doing their job +>reeee mods and jannies are doing their job +>le /k/eddit meme +weak bait +--- 57849774 +>>57849633 +You are dumb bro, even a bot could recognize satire. +--- 57849797 +>>57849655 +Just give it a lick bro, it won't be as salty as you. + +Drones seem to be really good at cleaning up leftovers from artillery barrages. The lancet and switchblades seem to have a good record taking out vehicles. +--- 57849804 +>>57849774 +>I was only pretending to be retarded +Vatniks are the ones actually dumb on this board +--- 57849828 +>>57849804 +You are really low iq, i will keep responding to repeat this to you. You really need to understand how retarded you are since you family won't. You can report me I don't care. + +What do you think of the lancet video? I thought it was low quality shit compared to the others. +--- 57849850 +>>57847993 (OP) +>fundamentally misunderstands Americans’ hatred of Russian fuckery +I would gladly pay higher tax if it meant even the possibility of Moscow getting shelled, you lot are a scourge on the planet +--- 57849893 +>>57849850 +>I would gladly pay higher tax if it meant even the possibility of Moscow getting shelled +This war is literally the first unquestionably worthwhile use of my taxes in decades. +--- 57849908 +>>57849893 +--- 57849933 +>>57849908 +kek based altruistic burger +--- 57850705 +>>57847993 (OP) +The Russians managed to knock out an XM-1244 Indistinct Blur, Ameribros. It's unironically over for us. +--- 57850854 +>>57848419 +more annoying than based. +I prefer idiots be seen and laughed at properly. +obviously thread spamming is a different issue, but this is more... I dunno, feels too faggoty like its gonna stick around and be used more often on completely different stuff. +We have had a few jackasses trying to pull some manipulation on here already to try and say no one can criticize the american government now because "= vatnik" +It doesn't go anywhere but it stinks of glowie bullshit the same way the vatniks and poo shills do, and they probably hope to target the tourists with it. +--- 57850937 +>>>57849062 +no one who has been here longer than a few years is gonna believe that bullshit. +you opened up with a character that predated the Russian reenactment of the 3rd Reich. +--- 57850942 +>>57850854 +Nah, moderation doing something is long overdue, idiots have become too confident with their constant ban evading and remaking the same bullshit threads like it's their job. If you want to blame someone for the situation than get angry at these idiots, because they are the ones trying to disguise themselves as neutrals and making it worse for everyone in the process, because they simply have no shame or morals, and couldn't care less if they cause any harm or who they drag into this bullshit. +--- 57850945 +>>57848395 +>stealth mode XD +--- 57851027 +>>57850942 +this isn't about the threads though. +you brought up and centered around your argument around shit that has nothing to do with what I was talking about. +I SPECIFICALLY said that thread spamming was a separate issue. +Go suck a jannie cock. You seem to be running low on semen. +--- 57851039 +>>57851027 +Maybe read the whole post. +--- 57851080 +>>57850854 +>>57851027 +that are some odd and overly nagging posts, almost makes it look like some of your own posts got deleted in this thread +--- 57851216 +>>57847993 (OP) +>cut up video where you cant make anything out +this has got to be a russian video again +--- 57851246 +>>57851162 +just so you know, it generally a bad idea to schizo ramble conspiracy theories in a thread with so many justifiable deleted posts + +>>57851216 +it's like a trademark +--- 57851617 +>>57851246 +Not really. +Fuck off if all you can say is bullshit and vague allusions to threats of silence. +that shithole /pol/ was deliberately targeted for culture wars and manipulation long before the russians got their hooks in as deep as they did. +But now board manipulation is crazy conspiracy shit? +Don't make me laugh. +We have china, russia, and america trying to pull their crap whenever something happens on here. +The very jannie crackdown on vatnik attempts to do this is being openly applauded by people in the thread, and suddenly its crazy talk to think anyone other than them would be doing anything? + +but I do agree with you on >>57851216, that is pretty much their trademark for war footage at this point. +--- 57851680 +>>57847993 (OP) +Remember how in Vietnam the press constantly gave CENTCOM shit for bragging about the kill ratio? Imagine being russian and bragging about a 0.33 ratio. +--- 57851984 +>>57851680 +>in Vietnam the press constantly gave CENTCOM +>CENTCOM + +You make the most krokodil-addled gopniks look like Leonardo da Vinci. +--- 57852656 +>>57851856 +Imagine going on /k/, a board where a fuckton of people including the moderation had to deal with armatards untreated schizophrenia for almost a whole decade, and then act like you are smart by saying he's not real and never was real. The fucker got fucking soft doxxed merely a year ago and all the autistic shit he did here he also had done in other places on the internet he had visited. How darn new or delusional are you actually? +--- 57852915 +>>57852770 +>bump from page 7 +Predictable, very predicable as always. + +>Stop trying to do damage control dumbass. +Nice projections, more on that later. +>>57852770 +>Of course Armatard was real at one point. +And when was this actually, my intentionally vague being friend? Actually answer it so everyone can see what a turbo liar andd shill you are. +>The low IQ faggots running the “every pro Russian post is Armatard Dennis etc” psyop are not creative enough to make it up, only to spam it at everyone. +Nice shill campaign you got yourself there, shill. After your false flagging failed, after your "armatard is a psyops" bullshit failed, you are now trying to play the victim? And you have the audacity to do it all in a singular thread, probably on your third ban evasion on top of everything. Talking about damage control, glowie screecher. +If you actually had something worth saying you wouldn't change it so often. +--- 57852969 +>>57852770 +from +>ARMATARD WAS A UKROPS PSYOP +to +>uhhhhh well uh. yeah armatard was real +>BUT UH NOW HES FAKE! EVERYONE IS FAKE +--- 57853160 +>>57851856 +>>57852770 +Armatard sucks donkey dicks. :^) +--- 57853774 +>>57852770 +Btw, you already forgot how the whole mess started in this thread? You got mad at how the thread was developing and then you decided to start to falseflag by calling people Armatard for no good reason to lure them on your side. You did that, not some imaginary psyops, it was just you, no one else did it. You got called out for it, which angered you even more and made you shill even harder like the dumb fool you are. + +So take your +>“every pro Russian post is Armatard Dennis etc” psyop +fantasy and shove it so far up your own ass until you start chocking on it. + +Again, you started this mess in this thread, no one was talking about Armatard, you were the one starting with it and you did it in bad faith, now you are angry because there are negative consequences and reactions to your actions. Do you even get the irony of your own actions? +--- 57853857 +>>57847993 (OP) +The US spends tens of millions of dollar in mere food waste from the carriers. Try typing a larger amount. +--- 57854216 +>>57848574 +I, too, hold a moderate position. +--- 57854226 +>>57848729 +We should shift messaging from “You’re Brown” to “You’re Poor” starting here in /k/ and see how it works. +--- 57854726 +>>57853774 +>mad at how the thread was developing +nta, but wasn't that the idiot who got his shit canned by a faggot jannie throwing a perfect imitation of armatards old bitch fits? +screaming about cope this, cope that? +>act like armatard +>use armatard tactics +>get called on it +>panik.jpg +>claim armatard is made up psyops +>get called on that +>panik2.0.jpg +>whine that its some anon's fault for noticing you matching armatards style +>suddenly claim imaginary psyops is no longer something you claimed +>suddenly insinuate that someone else brought up the armatard psyops + +Very convincing. +I am fully convinced you are retarded. +--- 57854999 +A lot of coping going on lately. +--- 57856210 +>>57854226 +we have mocked people for both of those things for decades. +--- 57856326 +>>57848729 +Say supporting Russia makes them lose their caste and become untouchables. +--- 57856450 +>>57851162 +>when it isn't even shilling, vatnik retardation, or offtopic? +Sounds like you're shilling to me and you got caught, and you're currently coping, seething, dilating, and generally crying spam all over the board about how the big bad baddie jannie's read your post history, realise they banned you before for shilling, and keep banning your proxies. + +They do it for free, and as long as you (you specifically) are getting banned I don't even care. Stop making these threads faggot this is like the 50th time this year alone. +--- 57859020 +>>57847993 (OP) +>tens of millions + +Krab (or whatever pixellated blob that is in your shitty vid) is not a fighter jet, retard. +--- 57859077 +>>57849603 +So never in our lifetimes then, given the USD as global reserve currency is the foundation of the entire global economy and that every country on Earth that isn't already a North Korea levels shithole would face ruinous economic collapse if it was to try and change that. See Russia right now. +--- 57859143 +>>57858973 +Nice, very organic 6 hour bump, shill. On what page was the the thread? 9 o 10? +--- 57860235 +i like this one +--- 57860386 +>>57859020 +Numbers seem to be a hard thing for you, but maybe use google before being this retarded in public. +--- 57860428 +>>57860235 +poor trees +--- 57860788 +>>57847993 (OP) +Those billions of dollars we are spending, they are killing Russians. Tens of thousands of Russians. And prolonging a war that is toxic to the very existence of Russia itself, killing the Muscovite empire of filth, sodomy and crime. + +I don't care how many hundreds of thousands of Russian lives it takes before the Muscovite racket collapses upon itself. I don't care how many Russians will die as their criminal empire is shattered, its vassals murder their way to independence and freedom, and the vultures circling overhead take every bit they can from the pigs of Moscow and St. Petersburg. + +I will applaud as each and every alcoholic thief in Putin's junta turns his guns and thugs on the rest and the blood begins to flow. + +It is all money well spent. +--- 57860812 +>>57848213 +You stupid fool? What good is this thing? How can you pave a sidewalk or street with such a weird shaped object? Ridiculous. +--- 57860821 +>>57860788 +>they are killing Russians +They're mostly killing Ukrainians, just the rebel, 4gvnj +--- 57860880 +>>57860821 +ESL friend, you seem to have strayed from /CHUG/. I've got some bad news for you about the ratios... +--- 57860911 +>>57847993 (OP) +Damn. We should send another one to replace this one. +--- 57861186 +>>57856450 +sorry charlie. +aint done none of that. +jannies don't give a fuck about me unless its a new one freaking out over gamer words being used on /k/, and I don't write books about it like that one infamous anon. +though it looks like I triggered one after you cried to them, and even then they just went after that one post. "wah!!! off topic!!!!" +like they gave a fuck before. but then jannies have always LOATHED people daring to talk about the state of a board too much, which is telling about the past and potential future. + +Cope all you want, but it won't change the fact that this board can be shifted just like any other one, even if the tactics would have to be different because we aren't a shithole like /pol/ +--- 57861233 +>>57856450 +actually, to give an example, +https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/57854843/ +>>57857283 got censored just for complaining that people were making off-topic threads, one of those guys salty people keep talking about the war and not guns enough. +--- 57861287 +>>57861233 +Complaining about the moderation is a bannable offense; you are not obligated to be here. +--- 57861363 +>>57861287 +>no defense, can only whine for jannie +a better argument for my case could not have been made +good job, anon. +--- 57861417 +>>57847993 (OP) +Not one dime of tax revenue directly pays into anything but the interest payments on debt secured by the meat of the citizens themselves, Ivan/Chang. +--- 57861469 +>>57861363 +>GR 8: Complaining about 4chan (its policies, moderation, etc) on the imageboards may result in post deletion and a ban. +You willingly come into a tyrannical hellhole, and complain of tyranny. + +Alternatively, banning of a user usually also comes with deleting ALL of his posts currently on the catalog, so perhaps you should begin by confirming that he got banned for that post instead of it being caught in the crossfire when he did something else. +--- 57861496 +>>57847993 (OP) +>Daily lancet bread +>Doesn't actually provides daily footages +What did anon mean by this? +--- 57861516 +>>57861469 +what tyranny lmao +you are constructing fantasies in your mind. +shifting the board and acting up out of being new and incompetent is a different matter lol. +board culture and rule enforcement has always been different from stated rules, +which is why we continue to have gun control threads and why war threads about current wars always get to to stay up. +Fucks like you have whined for decades about this and it never changes. +The rules aren't the rules. +The actual rules are the "norms" of what is enforced. +Lurk moar or finally learn this, be you newfag or one of those eternal autists. +--- 57861568 +>>57861469 +>whines someone is complaining about moderation +>also whines that the website is a tyrannical hellhole +I also just have to stare in awe at how you decided to bitch MORE in one sentence than I did across multiple posts.... and you think THAT is fine lmao +Don't worry, unlike you I have skin thick enough to not cry about you egregious rule breaking to upper management. +--- 57861827 +>>57861811 +nta, but why are you trying to sound retarded? +do you not know about the alcoholic "successor" to armatard or something? +--- 57861922 +>>57861856 +anon. +for all intents and purposes, those people, potentially yourself included, ARE armatard, dennis, the glowie screecher, etc. +reality on this place is based more on perspective since we are all "anonymous." +There is an anon, that confessed a while back to "imitating" armatard by going on every fucking week and doing his best to perfectly imitate his style, his shilling, his posts, everything. +That dude had effectively BECOME armatard, and it mattered not to the masses on here which was which. +People like that effectively become archetypes and its a joke to make fun of them by calling them such, whether its true or not. +The more you ACT like the titles they give you, the more TRUE them calling you that is, as far as everyone else is concerned. +Meanwhile russia has been so obnoxious and retarded BEFORE this until now that, now that they kicked up the shilling, upper management WILL step in. +And no one actually likes russia aside from the poos and serbs. + +The ones who get mostly called retards are YOU. Everyone who has 4chanX will continue to laugh and call you idiots retarded long after your stuff gets removed. +Hell I could argue that the jannies are doing you idiots a FAVOR by preventing the unwashed masses from seeing what retardation was being replied to. +Keep fucking dreaming, armatard, or whomever you are. +Maybe we will finally update our bingo cards. +--- 57862086 +>>57862066 +see? perfect example +this isn't a meme +this is someone taking pity on a retard and pulling back the veil of irony and fuckery to give a perspective on the workings of this place. +act like a retarded vatnik all you want. +be it for (you)s or to shill. +that inorganic defensive response is a better meme than anything I could pull from a folder. +--- 57862711 +>>57862066 +This lol, I can’t tell if some pathetic schizo is actually writing these by hand, or if they have a GPT AI copilot type software for their shill center, so they just click a few suggestions to assemble the wall of text +>inb4 the loser claims we are the same person +--- 57862750 +>>57862711 +they probably will +--- 57862858 +>>57862066 +>>57862711 +Nice samefag, bro. The preemptive damage control only made it better. +--- 57862879 +>>57862858 +well they certainly are matching the playbook. +--- 57863248 +>>57861811 +>You went from claiming the posts calling Armatard were “false flags” to claiming that OP is Armatard bumping the thread from page 7. +Why do you always have to lie so fucking much, glowie screecher? Seriously, what is your defect? You can't even make it into the first sentence of your post without telling bullshit? + +And that isn't even all, there is the constant samefagging, falseflagging, flipping between demanding a discussion and then making short insulting butthurt replies, because the answers you got yet again dismantled your bullshit claims from before, how you constantly try to change what happened, how you try to obfuscate topics,... + +>>57862879 +He does it quite often, he only pretends he wants to discuss something, ultimately he is the pathetic shill he likes to call others, if it starts going bad for him, he metaphorically flips the table in anger on the discussion and shits out posts like he did above. In the end he's just an unpaid shill with the ironic believe he's fighting a government psyops on his own and that legitimates and justifies everything he does, no matter how immoral or vile. +--- 57864537 +>>57864522 +(You) +--- 57864820 +>>57864522 +Again you forgot how this started, """other""" anon? It started with a shill (You) named glowie screecher pretending to be an obnoxious anti-armatard so he can rally up support for his cause and so he can get his revenge on those who had called him Armatard in the past. + +Always remember: You are in this situation because of your own disingenuous actions, there is no one else to blame for it but yourself. +--- 57865257 +>>57864820 +its interesting how they >>57864522 +dont get what was spoken of here >>57861922 +they seem to struggle with english as well. +The more they scream the more they become what they deny being. +certainly a high amount of autism. +they use words and phrases that they clearly heard and are imitating, but they lack understanding and so it sounds off. +but I doubt they truly wish to succeed in their constantly failing attempts at manipulation. +they just want the attention, more likely. +like the dogfucking namefag. + +>>57864522 +so make sure to thank us for giving you what you obviously want, glowie screecher or armatard or whatever you want to be known as. +--- 57865760 +>>57860788 +I agree with every single word you wrote, greetings from Poland +--- 57865799 +>>57865257 +tHEy sure seem to have a lot of deleted posts and this uncanny ability to appear after another, pick up right where the otHEr stopped, be very agitated to finally get any sort of a win out of a deteriorating situation, have expert knowledge on an obscure and niche topic, while barely ever interacting with each other if at all, and gradually becoming more angry and frantic with every new iteration. This should be one big gay sex bundle of anons deepthroating each other in harmony, but all we actually can see is some dying human centipede where one repeats the same shit of the other before him who died a bit earlier. +>dont get what was spoken of here >>57861922 +tHEy are too far gone to actually process this. Let me rephrase it; if tHEy were capable of processing something like this, they would not brought themselves into such a situation. Also it's a direct threat to tHEir current gaslight and shill attempts, so it's simply not engaged. Truth was never the goal, tHEy know how full of shit they are and how much tHEy lied, ultimately tHEy have to keep track of it so they don't say too much self-conflicting things, which tHEy failed to manage to do in this thread. +>but I doubt they truly wish to succeed in their constantly failing attempts at manipulation. +tHEy surely wouldn't know what to do, if tHEy actually succeded. +>they just want the attention, more likely. +No, it's personal, tHEy had multiple mental episodes on /k/ over the whole thing and it's now part of tHEm, ingrained in tHEir brain like a tumor, festering with every further fail or perceived win. Before i forget, please sage your posts, this thread wanted to die a long time ago, who are we to deny it its humble wish? +--- 57866152 +>>57864522 +Armatard sucks donkey dicks. +--- 57866764 +>>57865799 +nah. I choose when I want a post to bump. +--- 57866908 +>>57866795 +महोदय, यह मिस्टर पुतिन के वाउचर को रिडीम करने का समय नहीं है +Sir, it is noon. +Not time for redeem. +Come eat. Remember use right hand. +यह दोपहर के भोजन का समय है। ध्यान रहे कि बाएं हाथ से खाना नहीं खाना है। तुमने मेरी बहन को यह बताकर विसर्जित कर दिया कि तुम कितनी घिनौनी हो। +--- 57866969 +>>57848077 +Finland is already in NATO. +--- 57866976 +>>57848213 +You can't hold your neighbor's hand while taking a shit while using this. This does not spark joy. +--- 57868104 +>>57860788 +>sodomy +How can you fags write this with a straight face? +--- 57868116 +>>57847993 (OP) +cant see shit, captain +--- 57868702 +>>57848235 +>There are ~24 million Russian men aged between 18 and 44, if we are willing to spend as much as we spent of the GWOT (which I am) that means we can afford $120,833 per dead Russian. +just set a $25k bounty per head and let all the russian third world cheerleaders solve the russian problem +imagine the mall ninja kino we'd get out of this +--- 57868829 +Anyone who joins the military is a brainwashed fool. Fighting for Israel and the jews is nothing to be proud of. +--- 57868845 +>>57868702 +$25k a pop? Whole russian armies are gonna spontaneously disappear under Lukas watch right in the middle of Belarus. +--- 57870904 +>>57868853 +The goy stockholm syndrome is something to behold. +Absolutely buckbrocken by the ZOG. +--- 57872046 +>>57866795 +Lol at scrolling through the deleted comments and walls of butthurt text. They/them have reached mentally ill levels of butthurt so extreme that it’s about to spawn a new gender for NATO to celebrate diff --git a/k/57848080.txt b/k/57848080.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a0347976a809c2cab2ea04d7a48cbf2233311371 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57848080.txt @@ -0,0 +1,801 @@ +----- +--- 57848080 +why the hell English longbow men were so devastating? couldn't those French niggas just use bigger shields and/or protection for exposed limbs? +and if they are killing your horses just dismount. +--- 57848103 +>>57848080 (OP) +Longbows were long. They would pierce plate armor and get stuck on a shield, making it useless. +Those fuckers had to train their whole life to use them, it was kind of a wunderwaffe. +--- 57848105 +For the same reason an AR-15 is pretty devastating when fired at someone standing 100m away and armed with nothing but a kitchen knife +--- 57848284 +>>57848103 +just ditch the big, thick shield that is pierced with arrows when you get in melee range and pullout a buckler. also, it's not like arrows were infinite, just literally wait it out under a portable barricade like japs did. +--- 57848299 +>>57848080 (OP) +Mud. You try and do the shit you described while sinking into the mud, and you'll figure the French were fucked from the beginning. +--- 57848301 +>>57848080 (OP) +When the long bows became common, European armies had already been ditching shields for hundreds of years. The longbows would have met heavy infantry and pikes with no shields leading them to perform extremely well. +--- 57848303 +>>57848103 +they do not pierce plate armor, where did you even read this factual lie +--- 57848315 +>>57848299 +just advance slowly instead of tiring yourself out in mud, you get added benefit of enemy running out of arrows. +i think the french were just retarded like modern russians. +--- 57848334 +>>57848303 +--- 57848354 +>>57848334 + +This is some "let's fire it at armor at perfect angle from 10 meters" stuff. + +Can it penetrate at long range, which it was famous for? +--- 57848363 +>>57848080 (OP) +Ummm actually they were Welsh longbows +--- 57848388 +>>57848354 +That's what the contemporary accounts say +--- 57848406 +>>57848354 +Anon you do realize what you’re saying is retarded? No one is only going to get shot once while in plate, archers fired in volley leading the front ranks of a charge to be littlered with arrows. That’s like expecting a modern ceramic plate to work like a vidya game and then seething that it’s unrealistic that they got shot more than once +--- 57848414 +>>57848080 (OP) +>muh bow +lmao +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Patay +--- 57848442 +>>57848080 (OP) +It’s memes. English longbowmen were essentially professional soldiers with training and equipment that gave them an advantage over peasant levies. The two battles where they btfo’d French knights were the results of well chosen ground. Their arrows wounded horses, distracted men in armor, and when said knights went down and got stuck in the mud the longbowmen charged in and executed them with hand weapons. + +Read a fucking book, nigger +--- 57848462 +>>57848406 +not him, but it's not like your body armor is the only option, japs had all sorts of things that protected from arrow and even gun fire. +--- 57848502 +>>57848414 +>we killed 2000 peasents after being slaughtered for 30 years ! +>that means bows suck and has nothing to do with it being sheer luck that the Frog noble who caught them was coming back from a brother with his men (true story look it up) +Cope +--- 57848598 +>>57848284 +T. Crassus +--- 57848623 +>>57848354 +With bodkin heads, yes +--- 57848687 +>>57848080 (OP) +bong propaganda +they won mostly because of smart choosing of terrain and other tactical shit. +--- 57848696 +>>57848442 +>professional soldiers +there were large numbers of longbowmen and most of them were just peasants who were forced to shoot on weekends. +>Whereas the people of our realm, rich and poor alike, were accustomed formerly in their games to practise archery – whence by God's help, it is well known that high honour and profit came to our realm, and no small advantage to ourselves in our warlike enterprises... that every man in the same country, if he be able-bodied, shall, upon holidays, make use, in his games, of bows and arrows... and so learn and practise archery. +the French were just retarded, battle of Crécy is the clear evidence of that, they couldn't even charge all at once. no wonder the English only lost few hundred men. +--- 57848697 +Literally just bumrush them with armored knights. Worked for the French when they carried the day in Agincourt. +--- 57848705 +>>57848080 (OP) +>>57848502 +You know the french won the Hundred Years War anon?You do right? +>>57848301 +First of all shields were still used during the period the hundred years war was fought and they later ditched shields because armor became so good that a shield would offer no extra protection.A bit of wood from a shield wouldn't offer better protection than steel. +>>57848334 +That's not plate armor.That's a cheap peace of prop armor meant for reenactment. +--- 57848720 +>>57848697 +>Worked for the French when they carried the day in Agincourt. + >Agincourt +--- 57848723 +>>57848705 +>You know the french won the Hundred Years War +It took them 100 years to win a war? +--- 57848724 +>>57848623 +Bodkins were meant to pierce mail .They are terrible against real plate. +--- 57848747 +>>57848723 +It took the english 100 years of fighting only to not win the war and lose all of their continental holdings? +--- 57848781 +>>57848747 +Wait so it took 100 years for the french to push the English out of the Continent? Wow +--- 57848797 +If you ever see a french guy with blue eyes he's got a bit of anglish in him +--- 57848858 +>>57848080 (OP) +>it's french vs brits arguing about longbows/agincourt again +you cunts have been doing it for 600 years. +600 years. +--- 57848880 +>>57848858 +It's what we're good at +--- 57848898 +>>57848797 +Ahh yes. I heard the Frankish and normans were all negroes. +--- 57848989 +>>57848858 +Welcome to Europe. +It is why we are better than you. +--- 57849020 +>>57848462 +Bulky, slow, only work on flat ground. Also Japs didn't face longbows. +Shogun wars were more like a game of Go than real war. +--- 57849112 +someone dump crecy +--- 57849115 +>>57848080 (OP) +Longbows werent that "devastating" they were always used best as part of a larger strategy. They werent massive casualty producers on their own, but they'd disrupt, weaken, and harass extensively before a melee broke out. + +Consider agincourt, the best case scenario for Longbowmen, where they basically got to dump all of their ammo uninterrupted on french knights. Most of the killing still happened in a melee, where the archers charged down at the dismounted, weakened, and separated knights and butchered them in an endless series of many-on-one fights despite being outnumbered (lancaster's square rule is a bitch, force concentration is often more important than numbers). + +Longbows against armor are for weakening and killing small numbers, not for cutting down huge swaths, and that's how they were used. + +>>57848103 +>>57848303 +>>57848334 +>>57848354 +>>57848406 +>>57848623 +>>57848724 +Armor was vastly different thicknesses on different parts of the body. Even ignoring an arrow's chance to pierce the chain mail between plates (as some, but not all suits of plate were quite tightly fit together), a blow against a thinner plate or the edge of a plate, or both, could see an arrow that would shatter against the strongest parts of the armor (what we see tested primarily) penetrate to, if not a lethal degree, one sufficient to cut or bruise. +--- 57849139 +>>57848284 +Tiring you out as you stand there for ten minutes getting pelted or making you march slower carrying a bunch of extra bullshit is basically most of the job of the Archer, anon. +--- 57849161 +>>57849115 +>where the archers charged down at the dismounted, weakened, and separated knights and butchered them in an endless series of many-on-one fights despite being outnumbered (lancaster's square rule is a bitch, force concentration is often more important than numbers). +Not really the english knights did most of the melee fighting and it wasn't one one fighting. +>>57849112 +>Battle of Formigny +--- 57849222 +So..…who WERE the French knights? Actual nobles who trained their whole lives for battle? Just the bigger sell-swords who got put into armor and lent a horse? +--- 57849231 +>>57849112 +https://imgur.com/gallery/XqJod is this enough or do you still want it dumped +--- 57849237 +>>57849161 +>it wasn't one one fighting. +That is in fact, exactly what I said, if you look again at the post. +--- 57849309 +Ah fuck it, anon is right +Dumpan +--- 57849336 +>>57848898 +Some Norwegians have really dark hair +--- 57849369 +"That fought with us upon St. Crispin's Day" +--- 57849402 +41 parts btw, this is a long comic +--- 57849485 +>>57848299 +>Mud +Mud has destroyed so many armies, from the French to the Germans to the Russians. +--- 57849499 +>>57849485 +It's pretty funny that the popular perspective of why Russia is hard to invade is the cold in winter, and not the fact that Rasputitsa makes moving armies impossible +--- 57849502 +>>57848363 +This seems to be untrue despite the association. The longbow was first introduced against the Scots by the English and seemed to have terrified them. Just as you get everyone properly armoured up too. Kind of like everyone gets tanks they are finally proud of and then cheap anti-tank missiles come out. +--- 57849516 +>>57848080 (OP) +they werent. they were good when utilized properly in conjunction with fortifications against cavalry but most of the time heavy cavalry still destroyed them. +The english also still had knights of their own. +--- 57849526 +>>57848080 (OP) +They became less deadly as plate armor developed but the raw quantity of arrows often meant that the archer's got lucky and found a gap. Even after armor improved the rain of arrows would annoy and provoke the knights, often causing them to charge too early or into bad terrain. See Battle of Crecy. +--- 57849529 +I don't think anyone understands just how powerful English longbows can become. With a big enough man who can pull it to the maximum power stroke, there were bows that could only be pulled with 200 lbs of force. That's heavier than many modern crossbows and on top of that they had a longer draw length, which allowed even more of that force to be let loose. Pair that with well designed bodkin tipped arrows and you have a recipe for armor penetration and ridiculous momentum at longer ranges. +--- 57849560 +>>57848284 +i.. .. they had eyes. if the enemy stood in tustedo theyd stop shooting until you exposed +--- 57849592 +>>57849581 +Here we go lads +--- 57849596 +>>57849529 +>I don't think anyone understands just how powerful English longbows can become. With a big enough man who can pull it to the maximum power stroke, there were bows that could only be pulled with 200 lbs of force. That's heavier than many modern crossbows and on top of that they had a longer draw length, which allowed even more of that force to be let loose. Pair that with well designed bodkin tipped arrows and you have a recipe for armor penetration and ridiculous momentum at longer ranges. +If by "modern" bows and crossbows you mean compound bows, I dont think you're understanding the difference in efficiency between a compound and traditional bow. The strongest compounds are as strong, if not stronger, than all historical warbows because of the difference in efficiency. Tod Cutler even used a modern Crossbow to fire a medieval arrow at the same speed it was launched from a medieval longbow of average draw weight, and that wasn't the most powerful crossbow on the market. +--- 57849623 +>>57849592 +I had honestly forgotten how much talking there. Love it though +--- 57849627 +Based comic poster +--- 57849634 +>>57849623 +there is* +--- 57849668 +>>57848696 +>there were large numbers of longbowmen and most of them were just peasants who were forced to shoot on weekends. + +Not quite. Longbowmen were a step above the commonest peasant. They often comprised the key part of a knight/lords/kings retinue. Making them professional or semi professional soldiers. The English also hired other cultures longbowmen as mercenaries, including from places like France & Scotland. + +Presents who couldn't use a bow would serve as billmen or spearmen. +--- 57849726 +Fin. +--- 57849733 +>>57849726 +Good comic. Enjoyed the use of cunt. +--- 57849748 +Realistically how many French women took the BBC +--- 57849756 +>>57848080 (OP) +Watch Tod's videos. Dude has done two fucking series now on this very question. Ultimately here is his findings: +>Armor quality varied, using armor made out of high end, modern steel invalidates tests just as much as making the suits out of aluminum. +>Because armor quality varied, you could actually get penetrations, but a blow straight through the front of a plate with period materials was functionally impossible. +>Armor design also varied. Your chest plate could easily tank the blow, but in exchange it'd fling the arrow straight up and into your throat if you didn't have a gorget, and even if you were wearing mail but not a gorget there was a good chance you would have a bad time. +>There are weaker areas of armor that could conceivably be punctured, and the likelihood of this went up if the quality of the armor was substandard. +>There are areas without place protection, and sometimes knights would opt to wear mail without sections of plate over top to make themselves lighter. Arrows would punch through these sections easily. +>Lucky hits could happen, like an arrow in the eye or the mouth vent. +>Getting hit by an arrow was an extremely taxing thing. It's like getting punched straight on by a very strong person. Armor stops the penetration but not the transfer of energy. Eventually you will get tired, you will get bruised, you will make mistakes. +--- 57849770 +>>57849756 +>Getting hit by an arrow was an extremely taxing thing +Something I had never considered before. Thanks, anon +--- 57849787 +>>57848080 (OP) +They weren't. They got routed a bunch of times and the Valois eventually pushed the Plantagenets out of France. +--- 57849945 +>>57849770 +this. not to mention that most soldiers were not heavily armored knights. most were infantry with mail and gambesons, or mounted seargents. + generously, maybe 20% of an average medieval army were heavily armored shock cavalry. looking at an ideal scenario, if you use skirmishers to route their man at arms and levy infantry, and then shoot the horses of the knights, the enemy is left with heavily armored infantry which will get destroyed by your cavalry and infantry even if you couldn't penetrate them with your arrows +--- 57850048 +Just noticed the imgur link is missing the page where the French run into their stake traps +--- 57850190 +I'm going to be serious here, I've actually read a fair bit about the Hundred Years War. Also you guys are really fucking retarded for responding to the obvious shitpost that was first post. +The French just weren't really much good at battles. They usually ended up being very tactically inept. This was due to a number of factors. A lot of the time the French had a qualitative and quantitative advantage that meant they simply couldn't be bothered to take a safer approach and instead hunted for glory. This was compounded by cultural factors. There was as strong tendency for level-headed commanders to be accused of cowardice, which was a social death and led to saner battle plans to be discarded. French commanders were frequently nepotistic, headstrong, arrogant,incompetent, and any other flaw of a cartoon villain noble you care to name, but that was also a flaw of the English so not a deciding factor. However the English did have a "doctrine" that tempered their worse commanders (usually the ones who ignored said doctrine) and handily countered the usual French approach to war, that being of finding and then preparing a strong defensive position and terrain, and waiting for an attack. So that's tactics and generalmanship dealt with, at which the French were remarkably inferior and any quick skimming of the three famous battles (Crecy, Poitiers, Agincourt) of the Hundred Years War, or outside of that, Courtrai, Nicopolis, would attest to. Also interesting to note the sheer span of time between these battles, that gives a hint as to how institutional it was. +(1/4) +--- 57850196 +>>57850190 +Now, on to the actual weapon systems. In the beginning of the period in question, the horse was lightly armored, the standard for a full man at arms being simply that it was barded, which could range from anywhere from simple cloth or leather to mail. Man at arms were also accompanied by a lot of lesser cavalry which did not have protected horse. Now back to the OP >>57848080 (OP). You could indeed just dismount, and that is what the French did at Poitiers and Crecy. However, your commanders are shitters and decided to attack in a way that means now you have to wade through mud, while your relatively less protected sides are being shot at by arrows. You are tired, your visor is down and making it hard to breathe and see and you are losing formation, getting so close to your comrades that you can't fight properly, and when you finally reach the English dismounted knights, not only are they fresh, they don't have arrows up their arse, they have room to move and they're also experts at foot combat on both the individual and formation level because they've been training and doing this tactic for decades. You get fucking trashed, and the French dismounting to attack into the teeth of arrows and solid blocks of dismounted knights is a recurring them in the wars. Why did they keep doing this? Because they had no counter. There were serious attempt at raising their own bow force, but they weren't respected, used, and integrated into the French army the same way the English did. It wasn't really until the advent of the super heavy knight, with full plate barding for the horse, that there was any real counter to an astute commander with the amount of archers the English could field. +--- 57850215 +>>57850196 +So how did the French prevail? The war was won mostly on the strategic side. Estimates place England around a third of France's economy. At the start of the war, England was a well-taxed and administrated country by the standards of the time. However, with every victory England won a Pyrrhic victory. English administration with regards to conquered territories were inept, and they were financially a loss for the English crown, the spoils of war going into private hands while the expenses of defense fell on the crown, and often annoying the local native lords. With every win, England lost money. With every win, the French crown wrestled greater powers and taxes from the towns and lords, and the Hundred Years War culminated into France becoming the most centralized and tax-bearing country in Europe. Meanwhile, England struggled, its formerly strong taxation not looking so hot against the new (French) standards of the time and decreasing from changes in the wool and wine industry. Unlike France, it could not neither take advantage of victories or turn losses into a reason to tax heavier, and as it had gained a habit of taking loans to finance the wars, was permanently in debt and unable to wage war except by taking on even more debt and using emergency taxes to pay debts that stretched back decades. Diplomatically, as time passed, the English position got worse as they lost allies. The loss of Spain meant they could no longer count on control of the sea. The loss of Britanny lost them a convenient staging area into France. The loss of Flanders lost them money. On the operational side, the French for the first half of the war pursued a Fabian strategy of avoiding big battles. At this they were very successful, although there was the occasional large battle where they got BTFO when they got mad about it and had to relearn why they stayed out of the way of the English +--- 57850226 +>>57850215 +So, in the end how essential were the longbowmen? Really fucking vital. They enabled England to punch well above its weight. At Crecy, Poitiers and Agincourt the English were hideously outnumbered and out-qualitied only the benefit of hindsight could possibly give them the lightest chance of winning. The beginning of the war started with a ratio of 1:1 longbowmen:men at arms, and ended with 10:1. The longbowmen got the attention, but it was part of a combined arms system that would not had worked without the English learned habit of dismounting for combat. But the key ingredient wasn't the longbow, which was just the standard war bow of Europe. It was the willingness to field archers in large numbers, integrate them into the tactics and formations the the English army, institutionalize their use and tactics, give them the respect due to them from their battle-winning prowess. All things the French never did, who stopped at the first half step (mandating a certain number of archers per parish). tl;dr archers are OP, Total War got it right (surprisingly). +--- 57850236 +>>57850215 +>Estimates place England around a third of France's economy +Based anon remembering that wars are won by money, money, and more money. France was a scary superpower for hundreds of years +I dread to even think what France would be like today if their population growth hadn't mysteriously cratered in the 19th century +--- 57850241 +>>57849358 +>Deaths a mugs game +--- 57850273 +>>57849668 +Also for most of the war it was law that all young Englishmen had to be proficient in the use of the longbow. Lots of skeletons from the period have distorted right shoulders because of all the training and weights on the right arm (drawing arm). Longbows typically have 150lbs of draw (modern ones are 60lbs). +--- 57850315 +Best thread on k this year probably. Thanks blessed analysis autismo and based comic poster, you guys are cool +--- 57851247 +>>57850226 +V. cool effort post, have a (you) for your time. +--- 57851294 +>>57849222 +At Agincourt, it was mainly nobles, which meant they had the training and equipment that the status would allow them to have. However, being nobles, this meant that many would be arrogant little shits and even worse, they were also french. +--- 57851365 +So…uh, how did the English get their asses handed to them at Orleans? +--- 57851459 +>>57849726 +Whoever wrote this has no idea about longbows,medieval history or warfare in general.Longbows never became widespread outside of england,they were not adopted by other nations ,nor did they change warfare.The english got destroyed by cannons during the Battle of Castillon which ended the hundred years war. Gunpowder and pikes dominated battlefields for the next few hundred years.Which is why it's called pike and shot and not bow and bill.300 yards is also a ridiculous claim and the effectiv range of a longbow is far shorter.The maximum and the effectiv range of a bow aren't the same at 300 yards even a gambeson could stop a war arrow. +--- 57851865 +>>57849222 +>>57849222 +Nobility (and men at arms) covers a wide range of soldiers. The "bigger sell-swords who got put into armor and lent a horse?" could describe a noble and a commoner equally. (My speculation) On the French side, who had vast reserves of men and thus could afford to care a lot more about that stuff, your typical man at arms would indeed be a noble. Not necessarily one that would be landed though, there were plenty of itinerant men at arms, dirt poor (well, as poor as you can get while still owning the trappings of a man at arms) and probably indistinguishable in skill and equipment from a rich commoner who by career or interest pursued such things (end speculation). On the English side, being more pragmatic by the necessities of the war and culture, having already accepted longbowmen as instrumental to their victories, the common folk making it into to the ranks of men at arms was far more common. For example, the rather excellent theses "English castle garrisons in the Anglo-Scottish wars of the fourteenth century" by David Cornell reveals an astonishing level of upward mobility, (page 165, e.g. William Wisse), with multiple men (clearly rich and respected) rising up the ranks from crossbowmen to become men at arms and some constables seem to have even did this as a matter of policy (!), and all this was even before the genesis of the longbowmen having a starring role in the English army. The mounted longbowmen of castle garrisons, having replaced hobelars and expected to take the key offensive role that castle garrisons are known and intended for, must had been trained and expected to engage in mounted combat, a far sight from the typical image of archers that rode to then dismounted for battle that usually accompanies the phrase "mounted longbowman". As well, there are multiple accounts of former longbowmen striking it rich and gaining the equipment necessary to be considered men at arms. To be a victorious longbowman at one of the major Englis +--- 57851926 +>>57851865 +h battles (or even just a routier) seemed to have granted modest-to-slightly-great riches as a matter of course, and we read of many nouveau riche joining the ranks. I have read an account of a commoner (the name escapes me) who graduated into commanding many knights while serving as a man at arms, and apparently couldn't be bothered to get knighted despite how easy it would had been (all that's needed is a willing knight to knight a man), a story that surely survived the ages due to how amusing it was. One question is how skilled and suitable these new men would had been for the rigours of mounted combat. There were indeed complaints about such nouveau riche entering the ranks of men at arms, but they concerned good breeding and manners but oddly enough, nothing about their actual fighting prowess, so I must conclude training was not a problem. + +Incredibly the Holy ROman Empire had the Ministerialis, a class of men almost contradictory to explain - military serfs or unfree "nobles", they can by considered as commoner knights too. + +As an aside, I would heavily recommend the imaginatively named monographs "The Hundred Years War" by Jonathan Sumption which comprises 5 volumes and goes into great detail about the war and contains a great many anecdotes of the nature similar to what I have described above. + +Fuck the word limit, and my god, if I hear anything about nobles who trained all their lives to have huge swinging dicks riding down vast hordes of unwashed peasants like as if we went back time and am reading straight out of a yellow-paged journal from the 1850s I will end you. +--- 57851986 +>>57850236 +>I dread to even think what France would be like today if their population growth hadn't mysteriously cratered in the 19th century +Well there would be what, between 150 and 200 millions of french now? +Fair to think that they would have won WW1 and WW2 in continental Europe on their own, if the wars happened at all. The UK might have even joined forces with Germany instead +--- 57851997 +>>57850226 +>Total War got it right (surprisingly). +Which makes me hate playing multiplayer on any tw title. I want to larp with my spear walls not get cut to peaces by a javy throw that retreats while peppering me with arrows if I pursue or retreat +--- 57852038 +>>57851986 +No, France like much of Europe was hitting a cap that has faced all white countries without fail, whites do not like to be crowded and are naturally schizo and seek to isolate from one another. Even a post ww2 Europe that grew at normal rates as before would have seen a Soviet Union with 400 million people (if parity with their churka parts), A Germany with 200 million and so on. But instead the case with the Czechs and Austrians became the norm, where their populations today arent much different to their 1920 demographics and thats with thirdie replacement +--- 57852061 +>>57848080 (OP) +>why the hell English longbow men were so devastating +They weren't, french knight armors of agincourt often had dozens of impacts without a single penetration. +Frogs lost in melee. +--- 57852088 +>>57852038 +Maybe but it looks pretty empty to me. +--- 57852136 +>>57852088 +Population density in Europe becomes a accurate depictions in prevalence of schizophrenia too lol +--- 57852174 +>>57852136 +Okay, now do it by per capita. +--- 57852382 +>>57848858 +This is how the world works, you can divide it in two : +1- France and UK are endlessly fighting each other and leading the march of progress +2- The rest of the world, doing fuck all and watching us fight +--- 57852421 +>>57852382 +You forgot +>3-Germans spending a thousand years absolutely butchering each other while also leading the charge in new ways to kill a person who speaks a slightly different form of kraut +And yes Nords are just krauts with extra steps +--- 57853004 +>>57852421 +I'm sure this has absolutely nothing to do with bias, no sir. +--- 57853013 +>>57851459 +The plural of cannon is cannon, you daft cunt. +--- 57853031 +>>57848080 (OP) +Either eyewitnesses and participants were completely retarded and based their entire future combat strategy on something that didn't happen, or longbow shafts could indeed penetrate contemporary armour and kill or at least wound mounted French men-at-arms + +Chances are, the arrows were indeed effective +--- 57853038 +>>57848080 (OP) +They weren't devastating by themselves but by how many archers there were. +--- 57853075 +>>57852421 +>sweden, denmark, norway +--- 57853624 +>>57853013 +No gun +--- 57854257 +>>57852382 +Based +>>57852421 +Even more based Germans : helping mankind by eradicating themselves their racial siblings +--- 57854330 +>>57849115 +>What we tested +Damn you guys are here? Why don’t you make more informative medieval threads? +--- 57854461 +>>57848334 +That breastplate is nothing like the 6mm thick center crest one a historic plate drawn out to 1mm overlapping into 2 on the sides. Thats probably 18gauge with virtually no curve. +--- 57854905 +>>57853031 +There's about a thousand degrees between "effective" and "able to reliably penetrate the thickest part of a knight's armor" +--- 57854944 +itt. Retards who in 1000 years will be spouting the same nonsense about how US marines were unkillable on the battlefield because their plates could tank three shots of 7.62 +--- 57854946 +>>57848598 +Parthians got buttraped after carrahe +Crassus was just a big idiot +Its funny everybody remember carrahe but nobody mention the assraping romans did to the parthians afterwards +--- 57854963 +>>57854944 +This thread is much more +>7.62x39 had to be able to go through level IV armor in one shot, otherwise they'd be invincible!!! +--- 57855026 +>>57848781 +How much time did it take for Brits to take their continental fiefs back? Oh, wait, they still didn't take them back. +--- 57855426 +>>57852382 +I would posit that the British were the master race, single-handedly creating and leading the the industrial revolution. It just so happened the European countries were along for the ride, being fortuitously able to glean what few achievements they could from sheer physical and cultural proximity. +--- 57855501 +>>57849365 +Any history buffs know what he is supposed to be chewing in that page? +--- 57855526 +>>57855501 +Looks like a sprig of parsely to me. Jesus Christ, it's a comic not a thesis. +--- 57855779 +>>57851459 +seething frog kek +--- 57855976 +>>57849115 +Eyewitness account doesn't say anything about "arrows penetrating armor". It's only on a bardic song, poem, or something that somehow people quoted (I've seen a military history book quoting that). +--- 57856005 +>>57853031 +Quote those accounts. + +How could those knights, still in sizable numbers, reach the position of the English longbowmen and dismounted men-at-arms if they were slaughtered by arrows (during the Battle of Agincourt)? Think about it for once. + +Can't believe /k/ is even more retarded than /his/. +--- 57856297 +>>57853013 +Both is correct bong.Cannons is used in US english. +--- 57856387 +>>57848080 (OP) +>why the hell English longbow men were so devastating? +Because English historiography made sure to only mention their victories, not their defeats. Somehow, when it hadn't rained and the ground was decent, longbowmen tended to get overran by cavalry. +>couldn't those French niggas just use bigger shields and/or protection for exposed limbs? +They literally did just that. +--- 57856396 +>>57849726 +>this is how anglos see themselves +--- 57856398 +>>57856387 +>when it hadn't rained and the ground was decent, longbowmen tended to get overran by cavalry. +Just don't give battle when it doesn't suit you. Generalship 101, for free. +--- 57856412 +>>57856297 +>Both is correct bong.Cannons is used in US english. +Are you ESL? Your English is atrocious. Your sentence should read: +Both are correct, bong. Cannons is used in US English. +--- 57857021 +>>57848442 +English longbow men were peasants. +Every man in the country on a sunday had to practice with a longbow. +--- 57857063 +>>57848334 +I'm fairly certain I've seen this video. And they say it's both poorly representative of plate at the time, was a very heavy longbow close to the target, and more importantly, the target didn't have a gambeson underneath like a knight actually would. + +https://youtu.be/DBxdTkddHaE?t=807 [Embed] + +This video just shows it, 160 lbs warbow with bodkins aiming at a target 20 meters away. It did penetrate where it missed the armor (just like how a modern trauma plate wouldn't help if someone manage to hit you around the plate) but the second shot completely bounced off the plate. +--- 57857102 +>>57849756 +>Getting hit by an arrow was an extremely taxing thing. It's like getting punched straight on by a very strong person. Armor stops the penetration but not the transfer of energy. Eventually you will get tired, you will get bruised, you will make mistakes. + +This is exactly what happened at Agincourt, even by witness accounts. A few of the knights had been penetrated by arrows or hit in the slits of their helmet; so they held their hands up or shields up high to cover them. And since they were marching in extreme mud during horrible rainy weather, between the blows of the arrows and the fatigue from riding (and eventually having to dismount and march up hill) they got tired. Most French knights actually drowned to death face down in a puddle of mud, rather than get killed by a weapon. + +Another thing is the english yeoman with the longbows joined the melee with lead capped mauls after their knights (armed with poleaxes and other polearms) marched out to fight the french (who, being mounted knights only had swords) +--- 57857103 +>>57848080 (OP) +It's just a dumb history channel meme +--- 57857141 +>>57849309 +B A S E D crecy poster +--- 57857189 +>>57856412 +Holy shit you're retarded. +--- 57857215 +>>57850048 +good lad +--- 57857284 +>>57857063 +The video also says that they used far better steel than what was available for both the arrows and plate which is always the biggest issue when it comes to testing how effective equipment was in the past. Even the most primitive mail from Celt or Roman reconstruction are invincible to all forms of thrust when even most mail coats dound up to the early medieval period shows the death wounds usually being from thrusts punching throw cleanly which is impossible to do with our current steel +--- 57857587 +>>57857284 +The thing is, mail was never made from properly quenched steel. Not even plate was. Then that same low quality iron was exposed to elements, and time, as it went from father to son, and it ended up being very brittle indeed. + +Also, longbows were shit. English lost the 100 years war so hard that they ended up loosing all the territories in France that they held before that war started. Long after the time when longbows were retired, xbows were still used. +--- 57857604 +I just knew someone was gonna post Crecy as soon as I saw the OP, it was basically my first thought on the subject as well. Good show, chaps. +--- 57857938 +>>57849336 +This, I submitted my dna to the overlords at ancestry and I'm pretty much Norwegian/swedish and somehow my hair is dark and my skin is Olive. Go figure +--- 57859087 +>>57854944 +the difference is that 8000 US marines wouldn't be able to take on 25000 soldiers of a well funded European superpower with minimal loses. +US armed forces are, in general, overrated, only capable of winning over corrupt 3rd world shitholes like Iraq, Russia, China etc. and only thanks to limitless resources, international allies and superior tech. there is no innate talent so to speak. +--- 57859125 +>>57848354 +Cope +--- 57859467 +>>57849502 +The english longbow was almost certsinly inspired by the welsh bows at least in part, "In the war against the Welsh, one of the men of arms was struck by an arrow shot at him by a Welshman. It went right through his thigh, high up, where it was protected inside and outside the leg by his iron chausses, and then through the skirt of his leather tunic; next it penetrated that part of the saddle which is called the alva or seat; and finally it lodged in his horse, driving so deep that it killed the animal". This is an excerpt from 1188 well before the longbow became widley used by the english for war. +--- 57859626 +>>57848080 (OP) +If youse talking about Henry V killing like all the French nobility in agincourt the archers were so effective because they were a frontline hybrid force positioned behind pike walls on both sides that forced all the cavalry into a choke point where the archers were essentially shooting them point blank and/or running in and pulling them off their horses and stabbing them under the armor. +--- 57859637 +>>57849560 +no, life is like a video game and nobody here even owns guns or weapons at all +--- 57859682 +>>57848080 (OP) +The french are so bad at war, I don't get why they coulisse not use the rafale to provide CAS against english longbowmen positions. + +Sending cavalry with no mechanized infantry and air support is suicidal. +--- 57859830 +>>57855026 +100 years though... How weak are french men... If that's what you could call them +100 years living under the English cock +--- 57859857 +>>57859830 +Sorry more like 400 +--- 57859894 +Wait so France also celebrates it's independence from Britan? The french are up there with heavy hitters like the embembe ukembo walla tribe of Swahili, can't believe how long the french lived under the English the french were literally beneath them for hundreds of years in status and they still are geographically +--- 57859912 +>>57859087 +>The US isn't overpowered everyone else on the planet just sucks at war +Lol, correct. +--- 57859948 +>>57857021 +Nonsense, the ones who went to war in France were professional soldiers. Do you think they fucked off back to England to plough the fields and harvest their grain? +--- 57859952 +>>57859087 +Holy europcope +--- 57859960 +>>57859894 +Wtf are you talking about the English lived under the French from 1066-1400s. Henry V was descended from Rollo and William the Bastard Conquerer. English nobility spoke French from William to Henry V, who switched to English on account of being at war with the French. + +And when Henry V invaded France he was pushing his claims to the French crown, and after agincourt a peace deal was made with the king of France that Henry would inherit when he died, but Henry died like the next year and the whole plan went to shit. + +Tldr: technically northern France ruled England for like 500 years, not the other way around. +--- 57859986 +>>57859960 +Yeah loads of people spoke french a couple of hundred years ago but they grew up +--- 57860008 +Crazy how the french were ruled by the Norwegians then the English, it's interesting +--- 57860039 +>>57859986 +>tfw the British were so cucked their term for “global language” is Latin for “French Language” +>tfw the first European treaty written in English was the Treaty of Versailles after WW1 because it was written by Americans +>tfw Europe all started learning English 80 years ago in spite of it being the language he British spoke +--- 57860125 +>>57859912 +my point is that America IS overpowered strategically, unlike English who had less manpower and were three times poorer than French and were constantly getting fucked over by their allies. +--- 57860142 +>>57860039 +Ok thanks but Mexicans don't have their own language +--- 57860178 +I mean... french is just pidgin latin when you think about it +--- 57860245 +>>57860142 +Who cares? + +Someone in Germany that wants to talk to someone in Portugal would have spoken French or pre-French from Roman times to mid-20th century. Then as the British empire was collapsing French inexplicably stopped being the global lingua franca and English did. + +Only reason English is currently the global language in the first world is because of post-war murica. At the height of the British empire they spoke French if they wanted to communicate with anyone else in Europe. +--- 57860263 +>>57860245 +If you have to type out something this long to get your point across you're quite clearly seething, relax little fella +--- 57860278 +>>57860263 +Seething and wrong* +I mean... It's just too many words to be correct +--- 57860401 +>>57860263 +>>57860278 +I just like talking about it. It’s a fascinating subject that I’ve studied a whole bunch. + +I also like writing as an avoidance thing. + +But here let me ESL it up for Ching Chong: + +You speakie engrish right now = most rikery America’s fault +--- 57860751 +>>57860142 +Technically they do have different dialects. Mexican Spanish is vastly different from European and even most South American Spanish. +I can speak European Spanish fine because I learned it in school, and while my workers can mostly understand me there’s a lot of terms and grammatical inconsistencies that I can’t always quite follow what they mean. +T. Most of my cooks are beaners +--- 57860887 +>>57850226 +good read. thanks anon. +--- 57860902 +>>57860008 +In what parallel universe do you live anon? +--- 57861340 +Crecy is some edgy tryhard shit +why don't you post a Crossed comic while you're at it you loose toothed bongnigger +--- 57861359 +>>57861340 +How come the crossed virus turns everyone super British? You ever notice that? +--- 57861797 +>>57849726 +I will never tire of that. Nice one. +--- 57861830 +>>57848334 +That dent wouldnt even reach the skin, let alone vital organs and arteries. Penetrating armor doesnt matter per se. +--- 57861854 +>>57860902 +I’m assuming they think that Normandy = all of France or that Normandy was ever more than like 40% Scandinavian idk lotta people that ain’t shit bout the best parts of herstory +--- 57861891 +>>57861830 +Oh fuck off.That's the worst false flag I have seen this week.The "armor" in the picture is not real plate armor and no penetration does matter. +--- 57861898 +>>57861854 +Remember the part where anglo women were lusting after vikings since they kept themselves clean and handsome? What does the nordic % matter if few men can dick a thousand women? +--- 57861915 +>>57861891 +How is it a false flag? The armor does its job if it slows an arrow to the point where it cant even pierce your rib. In one battle Crusaders were shot full of arrows that stuck in them - that is, penetrated the chain - and the crusaders just plucked them out because lower layers worked. +--- 57862357 +>>57848080 (OP) +>why the hell English longbow men were so devastating? +They weren't. +>b-but they won one battle I heard about +Did you know England lost that war? No? yeah that's because "muh Agincourt muh longbow wunderwaffe" is literally English cope. +--- 57862599 +>>57856396 +The two fingered fuck you is a bong thing for a reason, and it's still a thing now. +--- 57862624 +>>57851459 +>angry frog writes a seething wall of tears + +News at 11 +--- 57863828 +>why the hell English longbow men were so devastating? +They were effective, but not to the extent that is often exaggerated. +They were effective because it was relatively inexpensive, fairly uncomplicated to make and they had a law in place which made it mandatory for large amounts of the population to know how to shoot one. If you field longbows enmasse, you will eventually fuck up whatever you're shooting at due to weight of fire. +Bigger shields mean more weight and are awkward to carry around. Pavise's are great to have when set up, but lugging them around sucks. +Too much armor on your limbs then you can't fight for shit as for the above reason. +Also if you're horse gets killed while you're riding it, odds are you'll get trampled and/or pinned under it. And even if you're wearing armor and that doesn't happen, good chance you'll be concussed and are likely going to be in pretty bad shape afterwards in general. +--- 57866216 +>>57848747 +>english +It was a French civil war between the French King and the Duke of Normandy who also happened to rule over the *ngloids +every *nglo that died in that war, died fighting for a French duke that wanted the crown of France because the english one was shit next to it +--- 57867073 +>>57849726 +>crossbows losing to longbows by such an absurd degree +>zero shields present in the army of those who made the pavise famous +>those without plate not carrying a shield +>300ish archers killing thousands over an 8 hour period without going through literal bales of arrows +capeshit tier powerwank, comics are for children +--- 57867195 +>>57849726 +Always hated this gigantic cope comic +I'm not even a frog +--- 57867250 +>>57862599 +Too bad they've been replaced by Pakis now +--- 57867519 +>>57867195 +>>57867250 +>>57867073 + + +To the loser goes the seeth +--- 57867542 +>>57867519 +I'm not the one having my population replaced by muzzies +In fairness the frogs are doing it as well so both lost +--- 57867908 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBxdTkddHaE [Embed] + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds-Ev5msyzo&t=11s [Embed] + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0TfSW0FfiA [Embed] +--- 57867956 +>>57848103 +>They would pierce plate armor +nope +>get stuck on a shield +so? +>making it useless. +how? + +>>57848080 (OP) +because you don't have the funds or resources or training to deck out your entire army in full plate, and shields only work at long distances (due to the angle) and when you aren't engaged in melee +--- 57867993 +>>57867195 +>t. Pierre-ahmed ibn drapeu-blanc +--- 57867995 +>>57867519 +But the french won. +--- 57868006 +>>57867995 +>the french won at crecy +--- 57868014 +>>57868006 +The hundred years war,stupid. +--- 57868087 +>>57868014 +Those anons were on about the crecy comic tho... +--- 57868184 +>>57859830 +>How weak are French men +Clearly stronger than the English. +Don't forget that you were ruled by Romans and then the Danes for like 12 centuries straight lmao +--- 57868289 +>>57860142 +>Ok thanks but Mexicans don't have their own language +I have to disagree with this wholeheartedly. You've never heard the "Spanish" spoken by illegal Mexicans and their Indians. +--- 57868689 +>>57868289 +Google Andalusian Spanish. Nearly all latam Spanish derives from it due to when the Spanish expelled the Muslims they gave the option to the converts to go to the new world instead of a certain life of slavery in Morocco if they were lucky +--- 57869079 +>>57848334 +This buckbroke the platesissies +--- 57869169 +>>57848080 (OP) +>why the hell English longbow men were so devastating +Victorian era weapons studies, imprecise and filled with britwank. +--- 57869226 +>>57857021 +>English longbow men were peasants. + +rubbish, they were countryside middle class, having leisure to train with the warbow and resources to purchase their own weapons, equipment, horses and usually hire a servant that would accompany them on campaign. +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeoman +--- 57869240 +>>57848080 (OP) +the english longbow was basically just a meme blown out of proportion for the sake of propaganda +--- 57869296 +>>57868184 +>The English +>The Scottish +>Ruled by Romans +Um no sweetie +--- 57869297 +longbow only worked when sittting on fortified hills or behind mudfields and pike walls and with an enemy that just bum rushed it, its a big meme, + +when french cav could actually charge, longbows would get massacred +--- 57869302 +>>57867542 +T. Some Balkan paki +--- 57869610 +Why do people still act like the English longbowmen were any good, or even relevant? +They had zero actual impact on the history of warfare. Their crude bows were not widely emulated, they didn't have any influence on the development of warfare, and even the victories people keep talking about are totally cherry-picked. + +Unlike the English longbowmen, the Swiss actually lived up to the hype. They were the ones who actually set the tone for warfare for centuries to come, who were copied by literally everyone, who were actually able to defeat knights (notably by being on the offensive themselves, rather than digging in and waiting), who wiped a country off the map, and who's valour was so great that they guard the pope to this day. +They even had a number of encounters with English longbowmen and won every time. +--- 57870196 +>>57869610 +Because the english conquered half the planet and did the industrial revolution etc. What tf have the swiss done, toy knives, cuckoo clocks, and them swiss rolls (which are pretty good tbf). +--- 57870260 +>>57870196 +They didn't use longbows to do it. +--- 57870398 +>>57869610 +France tried to emulate the English, then got cold feet when they realized they were potentially arming the peasantry. As simple as that. Meanwhile the English YOLO'd and lived with it. +--- 57870451 +>>57870196 +Yeah, the English really did well after they adopted Swiss-derived pike-and-shot tactics +--- 57870489 +>>57849115 +>Longbows against armor are for weakening and killing small numbers, not for cutting down huge swaths, and that's how they were used. + +I don't believe you +--- 57870538 +>>57848858 +Rofl +--- 57870563 +>>57854905 +yup +such as "effectively penetrating the thinner bits" + +>>57856005 +>Quote those accounts +Both French and English participants and eyewitnesses credit longbows, and the English army continued using longbows, and the French army took steps to mitigate their power, so... either literally everyone was retarded and based their strategies around a meme, or it WAS effective. + +>How could those knights, still in sizable numbers, reach the position of the English longbowmen and dismounted men-at-arms if they were slaughtered by arrows +That's just it; they didn't. Far more French men-at-arms died than can be accounted for by melee combat alone. The alternative explanation is that 1,000 English men-at-arms and 5,000 English archers managed to kill and capture 8,000 French men-at-arms, including most of their top commanders and fighters, in melee combat. + +Juliet Barker's Agincourt is the most definitive discussion of the battle, I feel. +--- 57870620 +>>57870489 +They were.At Crecy they were killing the horses and at Agincourt they harrased the french knights while they marched through the mud.Most of the killing was still done in melee. +>>57870563 +Yes you nigger they captured so many that they had to kill prisoners after the battle. +--- 57870624 +>>57852382 +--- 57870638 +>>57870563 +>. either literally everyone was retarded and based their strategies around a meme, or it WAS effective. +The english stopped using the longbow in favour of pike and shot tactics. +--- 57870779 +>English longbowmen +It's French longbowmen. Anglos still don't understand that after they got conquered by William they cased to exist for 5 centuries. +--- 57870836 +>>57870620 +We know the killing of the prisoners was haphazard, inefficient, slow, and many survived. + +But even accepting that, you never wondered HOW they managed to capture so many? +Like, you're submitting that English archers are just THAT OP against fully armoured up French men-at-arms in MELEE? + +Idiot. + +>>57870638 +Amazing +Did you know they also adopted the FN FAL and called it the L1A1 rifle? +Pike and shot was probably a meme. +--- 57871831 +>>57848989 +is that why America is independent and dominates both the french and british? +--- 57871881 +>>57870196 +--- 57872817 +>>57870563 +>The alternative explanation is that 1,000 English men-at-arms and 5,000 English archers managed to kill and capture 8,000 French men-at-arms, including most of their top commanders and fighters, in melee combat. +That's not actually unreasonable if they had their formation disrupted. Volleys of arrows that don't produce tremendous casualties can still weaken and disrupt the enemy, especially if there were many volleys. Force concentration is a bitch in battles, and your weakened, incoherent large army can quickly be dominated by a smaller, more concentrated force. It turns the battle into an endless series of "several men ganging up on one man" fights, like how three men can defeat ten if they only fight them one at a time. +--- 57872900 +>>57848103 +At one point you were legally required to be competent with a longbow, iirc it's one of those laws that are still on the books (UK) but not enforced. +--- 57872997 +>>57854946 +I remember Crassus ignoring his commanders' advice +--- 57873073 +>>57872817 +Terrain and unity of command played massive roles at Agincourt, definitely. However, it doesn't make any sense that otherwise-untrained archers could mog men-at-arms that badly. The battle was historic to both sides, the English claimed the longbow was key to their victory, and the French didn't dispute the notion. The longbow continued to be used, and knights' armour plating didn't lessen in protection until the gun came into its own. IMHO, any alternative theory would have carry a very significant burden of proof. + +>>57872900 +Every able-bodied boy above the age of 12 was required to spend 2 hours at arrow practice every Sunday diff --git a/k/57851236.txt b/k/57851236.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c872ba1632c008c2c5d185621c3a0c6204f2a198 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57851236.txt @@ -0,0 +1,474 @@ +----- +--- 57851312 +>>57851236 (OP) +--- 57851370 +>>57851312 +god damn furri- +oh, a bar. A man of culture i see. +--- 57852093 +>>57851313 +what happened to the nafo mods? +--- 57852194 +>>57851236 (OP) +--- 57852221 +>>57851236 (OP) +Post the template next time. +--- 57852224 +>>57851312 +That thing is the only thing I excuse from troons, and only bc of it's tongue +--- 57852229 +>>57851236 (OP) +--- 57852297 +>>57852229 +>party van pilled +Bold choice +--- 57852486 +>>57851236 (OP) +--- 57854000 +>>57852229 +Aren't you cute and funny anon. +--- 57854014 +>>57851236 (OP) +--- 57854331 +>>57851236 (OP) +Gay +--- 57854404 +>>57851236 (OP) +>>57851312 +>>57852194 +>>57854014 +--- 57854492 +>>57854404 +Makura doesn't count as furry. She'll bear human children. +--- 57854557 +>>57854014 +best one so far +--- 57854718 +>>57851236 (OP) +--- 57855299 +>>57851236 (OP) +--- 57855628 +Last time it got removed despite my wife being censored :( +--- 57855648 +Argonian women are fine women +--- 57855860 +>>57851236 (OP) +--- 57855977 +>>57854572 +I only have the bare tang version of the 240, are the other one any good or just pleasant looking knifes ? +--- 57855991 +opachki +--- 57856002 +>>57852127 +I don't really like folding knife, but god, holy based +--- 57856180 +>>57851236 (OP) +--- 57856271 +>>57851236 (OP) +--- 57856327 +>>57854028 +>>57854572 +Incredibly based +--- 57856679 +Posting with the newer format. +1/2 +--- 57856691 +2/2 +--- 57856698 +>>57851314 +Nigger>>57852093 +--- 57856707 +>>57852224 +based all across the board +--- 57856720 +>>57856679 +>>57856691 +That's a good effort and all, but I feel like part of the novelty is the silly rhyming scheme we have going +--- 57856728 +>>57855991 +What a shit combination +--- 57856775 +>>57856720 +I still respect the original's simplicity, but I also like how this one feels more like the loadout threads. Love these threads regardless. +--- 57856854 +>>57856691 +who's the waifu? +--- 57856862 +>>57856854 +Pirotess from Record of Lodoss War +--- 57856867 +>>57851312 +based tongue nigger +--- 57856953 +>>57851236 (OP) +--- 57857026 +>>57851236 (OP) +--- 57857383 +>>57856691 +god-tier taste in music +--- 57857514 +>>57851236 (OP) +--- 57857550 +>>57852127 +knife is the only thing i have issue with but even then its a good knife. Ya got taste kiddo +--- 57859436 +>>57851236 (OP) +--- 57859463 +>>57851312 +what even is that? +--- 57859750 +>>57856679 +--- 57859761 +>>57851312 +That bat has a penis +--- 57859776 +>>57857514 +I’m not familiar with the girl but she looks cute and good taste in rifles. +--- 57859829 +>>57856679 +>>57856691 +>trying to have two waifus +Nah, you only get knife ears +--- 57860408 +>>57859463 +Mitch McConnell +--- 57860626 +>>57855977 +They are quite good, although I feel they were a better value before the price hike varusteleka did. Understandable since nothing is as cheap as it was. + +They are very heavy duty knives with nice leather sheathes and the handles they use while not particularly fancy are very well designed, comfortable, and durable. I like it much more than my Garberg for instance, I think it's better in literally every way while being cheaper as well. + +But I think the Mora companion/companion HD is probably a better all around value. +--- 57860816 +>>57852224 +>>57856867 +Does rimming even feel good? +--- 57860865 +>>57860816 +Yes +Makes you feel like a grinning ugly bastard +Or maybe that's just me. +--- 57861131 +Anybody else in here bean-pilled? +--- 57861268 +>>57861131 +fuck, thought this was a loadout thread to be honest +it is what it is +--- 57861723 +>>57851236 (OP) +--- 57861772 +>>57854572 +--- 57861834 +>>57855860 +based tatse +>>57860626 +I've been thinking about picking one of them up, I'm not sure if I wanna go that route or a more traditional puukko. +--- 57861985 +>>57861834 +My one issue with it is it has a secondary bevel rather than being a 'true' scandi grind. Personally, I'd go for the traditional puukko as long as you haven't fallen for the batoning meme. +>>57861772 +we even have similar taste in knives +--- 57861994 +>>57854404 +I too like trains +--- 57862039 +>>57860816 +Yes, but tongues aren't only good for that +--- 57862145 +>>57861834 +My dumbass forgor the picture and then took a shower +>>57861985 +Now to just figure out which maker to buy from +--- 57862606 +>>57861268 +THIS NIGGA EATIN' BEANS +kek +Don't worry about it, it turns out you're the least autistic person here. That's a good thing +--- 57863809 +>>57854028 +>>57860144 +Sauce on the waifus? +--- 57863813 +>>57851236 (OP) +I'm phone posting and don't care what anyone thinks +Knaifu: My bayonet +Raifu: C308. Yeah, I'm a poorfag, but it's been a reliable shooter, surprisingly. +Waifu: Anchovy. She is my true love. +--- 57863847 +>>57851236 (OP) +are husbando's allowed +-sincerely,a gay fag +--- 57863895 +>>57863847 +Did you not look at OPs image? Males are allowed. +--- 57863961 +>>57861661 +>New animated movie comes out +>Love interest has kids with a black fly +>Diversity is our strength! +--- 57864139 +>>57863961 +Think about the mental gymnastics the writers jumped though on that one. +A mouse, giving birth to a bunch of maggots that grow into mouse-fly abominations. All to push a race mixing agenda. +--- 57864146 +>>57863895 +im retarded +--- 57864232 +>>57851236 (OP) +call me basic +--- 57864271 +>>57855628 +Glad to hear that my reports are working. +--- 57864278 +Not crapping for you shills. + +>Raifu: Savage 110 Tactical 8/10 rd magazines in 6.5 PRC +>Knaifu: S&W Extreme Ops +>Waifu: Brigitte from Overwatch 1 or 2 +--- 57864765 +>>57857669 +based primal man +--- 57864954 +>>57858024 +Who's the waifu? +--- 57865006 +>>57859761 +egad +--- 57865161 +I need to reread Stand Still Stay Silent one of these days +--- 57865279 +>>57865161 +do you fuck reindeers? +--- 57865462 +>>57865279 +I can't deny they're kinda hot +--- 57865782 +>>57851236 (OP) +--- 57866058 +>>57864954 +Nana, Lala and Momo deviluke from To lore-ru. +--- 57866111 +>>57865900 +nice waifu +--- 57866151 +>>57865900 +>POV: You're a white supremacist spending Christmas with his gf +--- 57866800 +>>57863809 +Second one is Peach, pretty /k/ herself, by Dimtrys. +--- 57866841 +>>57866800 +>dimitrys +Damn, I haven’t heard of him in a while. Last I saw his stuff it was going further and further into gross exaggerated territory, why do futafags do that +--- 57866895 +>>57866151 +I just like how wholesome she is +--- 57867100 +>>57866841 +All artists that create rule 34 stuff basically draw whatever they're personally into. Some will obsess over a particular character or series, others over some fucked up fetish that they get off to. +The artists that stick to the more vanilla stuff are likely doing normal professional art design and don't want to get a bad reputation. There are exceptions, of course, mostly with Japanese artists. +If Dmitry is drawing weirder and sicker stuff then he's probably getting tired of the material that used to get him off. +--- 57867651 +>>57851236 (OP) +--- 57867974 +>>57866825 +The only thing that would make this better is the green or black version of the RM277. +--- 57868179 +>>57851236 (OP) +Gay waifu based gun +>>57851312 +Faggot +>>57852127 +Boring +>>57852160 +Kinda mid, but like the gun +>>57852194 +Autistic 14 year old. Touch grass. +>>57852224 +You're alright. Fantasy fag tho. +>>57852229 +Pedophile +>>57852241 +You take yourself too seriously and think you're more interesting than you actually are +>>57852486 +You're chill +>>57854014 +You were a teenager in the early 2000s and grew up to be your dad. +>>57854028 +You're alright +>>57854572 +Basic, but not overselling yourself. I respect you. +>>57854718 +Basic waifu, but based as fuck gun and knife choices. +>>57855299 +You're alright. Slightly above mid. +>>57855628 +Faggot waifu and dumb sword. Kill yourself. Love me a Galil tho. +>>57855648 +One of those weird furfags that like lizard bitches and doesn't even have enough taste to enjoy the classic famas. Neck asap. +>>57855860 +You're alright. Solid choices. +>>57855921 +You're alright. Solid choices. +>>57855968 +You think you're tougher than you actually are. You're just slightly above average in strength. The average blue collar redneck could kick your ass. +>>57855991 +Faggot slavaboo. The SKS is a sexy rifle. Regardless, go kill yourself. +>>57856180 +Boring +>>57856271 +Solid. I like you. +>>57856327 +Basic, but not bad. I can appreciate the A1 and the KA-BAR. +>>57856331 +You somehow think the French are "based" and your breath stinks. +>>57856679 +>>57856691 +Needlessly verbose format. Stick to the thread, you fuckin sperglord. +>>57856720 +Dumb +>>57856741 +Either really cringe or really based. Not sure which. +>>57856953 +Boring. Go die +>>57857026 +You think you're cooler than you actually are. Go kys +>>57857221 +Kind of a faggot but not really. You're alright... for now... +>>57857514 +Respect +>>57857621 +You have to be 18 to post here +>>57857669 +Another furfag that fucks lizards. Why are you like this? +>>57858024 +Mommy issues +>>57858912 +Simple. I like. +>>57859436 +Ungodly shit taste on the waifu and Boring knife. The Thompson is based tho. I bet you're a Virgin. +--- 57868210 +>>57859750 +Never served because "if a drill sergeant got in his face he woulda had to punch him" +>>57859829 +Tranny. Neck pls +>>57860055 +Good taste +>>57860144 +Good choices, but I bet you're a sperg. +>>57860635 +Insanely based +>>57860734 +Shut up, faggot. +>>57861131 +Stupid +>>57861242 +You're alright ig +>>57861661 +Die, furfag. Based choices for the rifle and knife tho. +>>57861723 +Based +>>57861772 +Tranny. Dilate. +>>57862145 +Boring +>>57862911 +Someone's papaw +>>57864232 +Faggot. +>>57864524 +Insanely mega based +>>57864628 +Weird +>>57865161 +Lit. I like it. +>>57865782 +Wrong format, dipshit. +>>57865900 +Mega based. +>>57866825 +Pretty baste +>>57867651 +Good. +--- 57868213 +Anyway, here's mine. +--- 57868325 +>>57868213 +--- 57868332 +>>57868263 +--- 57868351 +>>57855299 +Well rounded combination +>>57858912 +>887 Nitro Mag +What a blast from the past +>>57865161 +Tasteful +>>57865900 +Based +--- 57868364 +>>57868332 +After deliberating long hand hard, I have decided to compromise: the cat gets to eat my wife's fish taco on alternating weekends, but I get unlimited ear- and head scritch privileges. +--- 57869267 +>>57868179 +>>57868210 +And the most noguns post of the bread award goes to... +--- 57869303 +>Revy +>Esee 4 +>Ruger SFAR (or any ar10) +--- 57869327 +>>57868179 +>>57868210 +Thank you for your valuable opinions +--- 57869797 +>>57868179 +>>57868210 +Based thread reviewer. +--- 57869811 +>>57868263 +>cat-fucking dyke +--- 57870468 +>>57869811 +please see +>>57868364 +--- 57870487 +>>57868364 +Degenerate. +--- 57870602 +>>57868263 +--- 57870729 +>picking the girls from rwby team as waifus +Terrible taste. + +>>57865900 +One of the best combos itt. +--- 57872089 +>>57868332 +--- 57872104 +>>57868179 +>You were a teenager in the early 2000s +Late 2000s but close enough. +--- 57872198 +>>57859829 +>more than one waifu will ruin your laifu +--- 57872199 +It's been a bit and I can't wait to take her to the range soon. ACOG and PARA stock one of these days. +>>57869390 +RFB? that's neat anon. +--- 57872298 +>>57868179 +You're nobody and your opinion is worthless, just like you. +Kill yourself, loser +--- 57872350 +>>57872298 +which one he called shit is yours +--- 57872375 +>>57868179 +>>57868210 +Now THIS is autism. +--- 57873133 +>>57872199 +Yes. Adore that FAL! +--- 57873263 +>>57851236 (OP) diff --git a/k/57851565.txt b/k/57851565.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8addf84f328280ebd7e56e23794fb8f6be3c2413 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57851565.txt @@ -0,0 +1,1015 @@ +----- +--- 57851565 +Have any science fiction films or tv shows gotten the military right? +--- 57851590 +>>57851565 (OP) +>can't lock onto Minbari ships so earth gets rolled in the war + +That always irked me. You have range, heading, and speed. That's all you need to put rounds on target. + +>earth ships don't use missiles + +Also retarded +--- 57851609 +>>57851565 (OP) +the expanse where it's all retarded politics and sitting around hoping that your computer-guided munitions are slightly better than the other guys computer-guided munitions +--- 57851634 +>>57851590 +This. If a Tesla can drive around on cameras then at some point you can build military tech that can basically say if I can see it, I can shoot it. +--- 57851639 +>>57851590 +>That's all you need to put rounds on target. +For dumb rounds and you could tell smart rounds to go to the predicted location but that wont take into account the target changing course +>Also retarded +They did use missiles in a few instances but it is limited. +The Omega destroyer was supposed to feature them prominently, that is what the red circles along its sides are - missile silos. It was supposed to be done in a very dramatic "rolling out the guns" shot with the camera sweeping across as they opened up. +But this and other design features - the big guns in the front and the fighters launching from the rotating section - were never included in the show for some reason +--- 57851648 +>>57851609 +>the Expanse +No, show is retarded as are the factions and how they work + +>Muh Martian marines 80% are STRONG WYMENS!!!!! +--- 57851651 +>>57851639 +>never included in the show for some reason + +Animation budget, I think. The SFX department on B5 was on a shoestring. The first season was done with Amiga computers. +--- 57851673 +>>57851651 +I don't think so, they did some amazing stuff in season 3 and 4. +I think somehow it wasn't conveyed that the model had those elements +--- 57851676 +>>57851639 +>For dumb rounds and you could tell smart rounds to go to the predicted location but that wont take into account the target changing course + +My nigga, we've had weapons that could course correct for decades. No excuse to not have such ability centuries in the future + +>They did use missiles in a few instances but it is limited. + +Which is even more retarded. They can use missiles at standoff range and saturate a target area. None of the fucking ships in that universe have point defense systems either +--- 57851693 +>>57851648 +tfw no cute martian GF +--- 57851709 +>In space no one can hear you scream - unless it is the battle cry of the United States Marine Corp! +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlyNiXPA47M [Embed] +As much as I liked Space Above and Beyond growing up it has to be the worst offender +>recruits still in bootcamp sent to mars to check on radio telescope relay +>marine fighter squadron pilots routinely tasked to fly transports, do ground pounding, intel, etc +--- 57851719 +Edge of Tomorrow is pretty good +--- 57851726 +>>57851676 +course correct for what you cant track the ship, you can physically eyeball it and see it through an optical telescope but that is it +>None of the fucking ships in that universe have point defense systems either +No we def see B5 had quad rail guns and RAMs for defense +--- 57851742 +>>57851726 +>>57851676 +--- 57851751 +>>57851742 +>>57851726 +>>57851676 +--- 57851754 +>>57851709 +>marine fighter squadron pilots routinely tasked to fly transports, do ground pounding, intel, etc +Yeah, this was the real limitation of the series. It would have been better to be two separate character sets that occasionally intersected. One set of aviators, one set of expeditionary ground forces. +--- 57851765 +>>57851639 + +The Omega's will forever by my favorite sci-fi warship, they just feel right. Maybe some nostalgia thrown in , +--- 57851775 +>>57851648 + +>doesn't have any coherent commentary on the space combat in teh show, just gets mad at the female marine + +oof +--- 57851776 +>>57851565 (OP) +No. No show, including the Expanse, has done Newtonian physics right for space combat. I suspect that's because the real deal would be not exciting for television screens. + +Something like this >>57851639 +would get hit with a projectile fired at fractions of the speed of light and be obliterated instantly with no warning, killing everyone aboard. That might be interesting to see just once, but doesn't make for good television. + +Regarding missiles, like everyone is talking about, those are generally retarded for space combat. They would be detected at range, meaning they have to be fast to avoid defenses. To be fast, they'd need a powerful engine, making them even more detectable, as well as a fuel source that'll probably be rapidly expended via constant acceleration, meaning the range will be short. Shorter than a railgun, which can fire faster, can't be intercepted, and gives no warning. The only reason to have them would be to bomb stuff through an atmosphere. +--- 57851788 +>>57851754 +several characters spread around +pilot, jarhead, crew, some folks back home, etc +what the Battlestar Galactica remake figured out +--- 57851810 +>>57851776 +B5 did 3D physics right +whether it correctly applied the technology at hand is another question +--- 57851857 +>>57851810 +Well B5 still fell into the same trap they all do of depicting space battles as if they were ships of the line at sea, like some British age of sail adventure. There's not going to be broadsides in space, that's just fantasy. I will admit it's pretty to watch though. + +What there would be in IRL space combat is nothing at all, followed by sudden extremely powerful violence. +--- 57851902 +>I, STAR COLONEL NICHOLAI MALTHUS, DO HEREBY CLAIM THIS THREAD IN THE NAME OF THE GREATEST MILITARY SF PRODUCTION - BATTLETECH +>WHAT FORCES DARE DEFEND IT +--- 57851961 +>>57851902 +No one gives enough credit to Battletech. They just see the mechs and go "WEEB SHIT" and move on, ignoring the entire franchise is centered around giga military autism. People would rather play Warhammer with its space magic, than shoot ERPPCs and LRM20s at approaching dropships laden with infantry and tanks, and cackling maniacally as they crash into a city and explode, taking out several buildings with them. Sad. +--- 57852043 +>>57851961 +it has a lot of hand waving space magic in terms of ranges and abilities and sensors +but if you really stated weapons to have ranges of several km instead of ~600 meters you'd have to play on a gigantic field or adjust the scale and cause a new group of problems +--- 57852069 +For me it's CoD AW +--- 57852095 +>>57852043 +I mean, they just explain that part away for the sake of gameplay by saying the technology loss from the Succession Wars was so huge that humanity practically reverted to medieval times, and that while they can build a lot of the military hardware they now use, they can't improve on it really or even understand how it totally functions. That's why they use short-range swarms of guided missiles, and lasers with a range of just a few km, etc. + +In terms of actual table top gameplay though, full-spectrum Battletech is vastly more entertaining than Warhammer. +--- 57852106 +>>57851961 +Aren’t the succession wars basically what’s going on in Eastern Europe, but with all the inner sphere getting bombed back to the Stone Age? +That’s pretty realistic +--- 57852197 +>>57852106 +Per the game lore, the Succession Wars were retardedly violent. Like, orbital-nukes-into-playgrounds violent. So yeah kinda. The rigid military hierarchy broke down, and individual regiments ended up becoming more like roving bands of boyars looting one place to go fight somewhere else. I'd actually say it was more like the 30 Year's War, in that any semblance of order just went right out the window. + +Unfortunately, it's also the best backdrop for the series, apart from maybe the Clan invasions. All the latter lore is really boring, personally speaking. +--- 57852248 +>>57852106 +>>57852197 +Russia and Syria before that are more akin to the Chaos March +military too weak to fully take over +various independent factions and militias sprout up to defend their newly independent fiefs +--- 57852258 +Mass Effect has the right amount of military and science autism. Damn shame about Andromeda though. +--- 57852269 +Expanse. +Pretty sad there is no game like Elite Dangerous/SC but Expanse +--- 57852271 +>>57851565 (OP) +the Expanse +--- 57852285 +>>57852269 +>>57852271 +based fellow expanse poster beating me by 15 seconds +--- 57852311 +>>57852258 +Pretty sure they're de-canonizing Andromeda, because Mass Effect 4 is in the works. +--- 57852463 +>>57852197 +in the star league era the standard deployment was a brigade of 3 mech regiments +by the time of the 3000s a regiment was the largest organization, and even then its forces only fought company-sized crossboarder raids +--- 57852513 +>>57852463 +>in the star league era the standard deployment was a brigade of 3 mech regiments +Bigger formations, because they literally had more gear. + +Regiments by the time of the tabletop game are about 3-5 battalions and 100-180 or so mechs, with the rest being tanks, infantry, VTOLs, logistical, C&C, etc. I don't think anyone plays with regiment-level units though, Battletech just isn't popular enough to pull that off. A shame really. +--- 57852530 +>>57852311 +>"I must go now, the Milky Way needs me." +>Note: Ryder died on the way back to their home galaxy +--- 57852552 +>>57852530 +At least Andromeda's total failure destroyed that trend of "if you don't buy this, YOU'RE A RACIST/SEXIST!!!" whining. The game was so bad it collapsed an entire company and 300+ jobs. People got real silent with the strong-arming after that. +--- 57852578 +>>57852513 +BattleForce is lance-sized units, that has been around a long time +Strategic BattleForce allows for regiment sized units, not sure how many actually play that +--- 57852589 +>>57851590 +>earth ships don't use missiles +>>57851676 +>None of the fucking ships in that universe have point defense systems either +You are either didn't watch the show, lying or retarded. Not sure which. +>>57851651 +>Animation budget, I think. The SFX department on B5 was on a shoestring. The first season was done with Amiga computers. +Not really hardware issue at all, it just happened to be first show doing CGI on major scale. Making animation takes time, from animator, more objects you add, more shit you need to animate. Laser beams and some sort light balls for particle projection cannons are just simpler to animate. + +When it comes to Amiga, those were pretty common in audio-visual productions of all kinds until early 2000's, shit stuck around for almost decade after Commodore went belly up because Amiga in 90's had better software for that shit than pretty much any competitor at the time. Saying Amiga for kids might imply reasonably priced home computers, with comparable prices to modern reasonably priced gaming PC's is absolute bullshit. Amiga 2000, 3000 and 4000 line up was pretty different from Amiga 500 and 1200 home computers, especially with expansions, when it comes to both price and capability. +--- 57852623 +>>57852552 +I've yet to make it more than a few hours in that game. Modded to shit, I still can't endure through. Blows my mind they spend years making that pile of shit, but only gave ME3 a fucking year. +--- 57852685 +>>57852578 +>tfw you will never experience a strategic game of Battletech like this +--- 57852696 +>>57852589 +they upgraded the computers after season 2 +you can see a very noticable bump in the quality of the digital from season 3 on +that is when they started using the nebula backgrounds, have a lot more ships doing a lot more things and doing it fast and with the camera moving around a lot +--- 57852734 +>>57851639 +>>57851765 +Your shipfu was copied from 2010. +--- 57852745 +>>57851857 +B5 would sometimes go hard scifi with battles. There's one where the Narn engage the Shadows with beam weapons outside of visual range. +--- 57852768 +I'm probably the only person on /k/ old enough to have watched this. From what I remember it was really, really good. +--- 57852781 +>>57852768 +I remember that shit +--- 57852829 +>>57852768 +nigga I was born in 1986 of course I remember it +--- 57852865 +>>57852829 +Why are you still on 4chan? For that matter, why am I? I was born in '83. +--- 57852869 +>>57852768 +You're not the only one. I remember. Had the toys too. Good times +--- 57852873 +>>57852768 +>>57852781 +>>57852829 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR7ktkOEeFw [Embed] +--- 57852889 +>>57852865 +its saturday +--- 57852904 +>>57851673 +>I don't think so, they did some amazing stuff in season 3 and 4. +>I think somehow it wasn't conveyed that the model had those elements + +the entirety of B5 was animated in Lightwave +Series 1 of B5 was animated entirely on a network of 20 amiga 2000 stations linked using the Newtek Video Toaster software/hardware interface. They upgraded to a network of 486DX PCs when Lightwave was ported from hardware to software. (yes, the original iteration of Lightwave was partially hardware based) + +the 20 machines working in parallel were able to render about 1 frame every 45 minutes, In PAL Resolution: (720 x 576 pixel) + +While the software did get a leap forward by Season 3, the single PC I'm typing this on has more graphics processing power than the multi-million dollar graphics rendering studio for B5. +--- 57852920 +>>57852768 +Never seen that, as that was the year I moved overseas. My childhood exo cartoon was The Centurions, but that wasn't set in space. +--- 57852926 +>>57852904 +toaster was the pilot, they upgraded for after it the regular series and again after season 2 +--- 57852934 +>>57852869 +I was too poor to have the toys so I drew them while I watched the show and clipped out pages from toy catalogs. +--- 57852938 +>>57852106 +The Succession Wars are like WW2 if it went on for a few hundred years at like 10x intensity. Where you just can't produce things not only because the facilities producing the material are gone, but all the factories, labs and planets they were on. + +Nukes and theater level chem weapons were the norm back then. +--- 57852943 +>>57851775 +>mad at the female marines + +>Need marines on mars who are trained in high grav to be effective on earth. +>Which means you need high bone density and muscle mass +>Most are WYMENS!!!!!! + +Military aspect of the show is retarded. +--- 57852944 +>>57852696 +>they upgraded the computers after season 2 +They got rid of effects company and hired animators themselves, bought bunch of hardware and started doing effects in house, cutting the middle man saves money. I picked up Amiga thing, because that for ignorants is implying hardware would be cheapo home computers. All computers of the era, including 100k+ SGI workstations are toasters by any semi-modern standards. Hardware was never bad by standards of the day. +>that is when they started using the nebula backgrounds +Wonder what else changed. Hubble Space Telescope started working properly, after its optics were fixed. It produced copyright free high resolution images of nebulas. +--- 57852951 +>>57852943 +Nigga what are you smoking? Most of the martian recon marines are men. Frankie was a physical freak. +--- 57852974 +>>57852944 +>They got rid of effects company and hired animators themselves +After season 3 Douglas Netter wanted to buy out Foundation Imaging and make it an inhouse unit +They preferred to remain independent +So Netter let them go and hired a bunch of junior Foundation Imaging staff and put his son or grandson in charge of them :\ +No longer contracted to Babylon 5 meant that Foundation Imaging could then go to work for Star Trek and greatly improve their effects that were still mostly being done by ILM with models +--- 57853002 +>>57852926 +Nope,. first season was done on video toaster boards. the software version wasn't released commercially till '94. +The pilot was on a network of 8 toasters, that was upgraded to 20 for the production of the first season CG by Foundation Imaging. + +that was upgraded in turn to 486DX PCs for the start of season 2, but certainly wasn't in place for season 1. +--- 57853025 +>>57851902 +This is the part where I challenge you to a batchall right? ok, ahem +> I, LORD OF THE STARS AND GUARIAN OF THE GALAXY DO CHALLENGE YOU TO A DANCE OFF, DARE YE REFUSE MY BATCHAL CLANNER SCUM!? +--- 57853406 +>>57852974 +>No longer contracted to Babylon 5 meant that Foundation Imaging could then go to work for Star Trek +Fun fact. Pic related from Star Trek Voyager is literally unused Vorlon ship form B5. That is confirmed by guy who made the model, there might be more B5 originated work in progress stuff in later seasons of Voyager and DS9. Star Trek had similar issues when it came to effects as B5, there isn't lot of time to do models and animations for a weekly tv-show. Choke point for VFX was never computer hardware, that was the workforce. Kinda old scifi movies and tv-shows from early 2000's often better VFX than stuff coming out now. Why? Pretty much everyone working in the industry in late 90's and early 2000's were enthusiastic about stuff they did. No amount of rendering passes for dynamic light on some frame can replace good taste and commitment to the art. +--- 57853484 +>>57852768 +13 Year old me was hooked on this show. Fuck this was based children's programming. +--- 57853490 +>>57851902 +--- 57853658 +>>57851639 +>>57851765 +>>57852271 +>>57852589 +>>57853406 +Why is it that every sci-fi ship has their guns bolted to the front when turrets exist? You’d think being able to shoot in directions other than dead ahead would be useful in space +--- 57853709 +>>57851590 +How are you getting the range, heading and speed of a target, if you can't see the target on radar? + +Suppose the ship armor absorbs all radiowave/lightwave and doesn't bounce back any for receiving end. How are you ever "seeing" anything in the empty space? Might as well be shooting everywhere in every corner of the space at that point. +--- 57854482 +>>57853658 +You literally just saw the only part of the expanse where they aren't furiously dakkaing with turrets, kek +--- 57854491 +>>57852623 +>Blows my mind they spend years making that pile of shit, but only gave ME3 a fucking year. +I think someone said that the game was originally meant to make heavy use of procedural generation. +When they couldn't get that to work, or it wasn't cinematic enough, or something, they scrapped that. What was actually released as Andromeda was bashed together from the earlier version's assets and engine in like 1 year. +--- 57854530 +>>57852271 +the Expanse gets ships right but militaries very very wrong because the writer is a faggot civilian +--- 57855217 +>>57852869 +I used to have the toy on the right side of this picture. +--- 57855847 +>>57852271 +Why does he rotate for no reason? +--- 57855952 +Apart from the cops all carrying airsoft H&K XM8s, Children of Men was pretty good, but probably not exactly what OP is after +--- 57855964 +>>57855952 +fug. forgot pic. +--- 57855978 +>>57855952 +>>57855964 + +Children of Men is a great movie. +--- 57855979 +>>57855847 +360noscope +--- 57855980 +>>57851565 (OP) +>Have any science fiction films or tv shows gotten the military right? +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj9VArxREqY [Embed] +--- 57855988 +I hate the Minbari so much! + +Getting lucked into super advanced earth technology from the future. Stuck with billions of backward rituals and religious belief shit. +Having no problems of genocide Humanity because they got the wrong idea because activating your weapons is kinda aggressive looking for an outsider, despite their own claimed morally and spiritually superiority. +--- 57856019 +>>57851857 +I mean it's all fantasy in space to some degree, so better just to pick a historic metaphor as baseline for your space battles. + +Star Trek II's submarine like space battle was more interesting than whatever the show did space battlewise +--- 57856123 +>>57851775 +aside from women being naturally weaker and thus shit material for high grav (for a martian) combat, people in general are very tired of Mary Sues mandated by the woke cultists plagueing entertainment + + notice also in expanse the agenda creep in every aspect. +>Like the best pres of earth being a pajeeta after men fail on multiple tries, +>the belter rebel commander being constantly second guessed by his right hand who (of course) is always right, +>Holden being holden to the obnoxious girl with the zoomer perm haircut, the only correct, +>righteous and not cringe belter faction being led by Drummer who lives with a hamster colony commune "family" +>the crack shot ace pajeet pilot Holden had effortlessly replaced by the martian mariner (after pajeet got cancelled irl) who turned out to be just as good as the natural born pilot. +>the colonies on the alien planet led by strong, independent women who, of course, were in the right despite being illegal gypsy squatters and trying to kill the research crew sent out to prospect. While the only guy who had the correct answer for the belter question was, of course, the seasons big bad. +--- 57856148 +>>57853658 +Why bother with turrets when your ship shoots at things at 500km+ away and your 5000m long warship turns at 30 degrees a second like in trek because of inertial dampeners kek. +--- 57856152 +>>57855978 +ya the battle in the refugee camp at the end is pretty kino. its post-apocalypse though, so there's not really any tech or futuristic military concepts on show, more societal collapse and rag-tag militarism. +--- 57856172 +>>57856123 +I bet you also get angry that the Sky Marshal in Starship Troopers got replaced by a black woman. +--- 57856182 +>>57856172 +Facism breeds wokeness! +--- 57856215 +>>57851565 (OP) +BSG +--- 57856231 +>>57852513 +>Battletech just isn't popular enough +Battletech is the only tabletop (sci-fi at least) that i've wanted to try out. Sadly however I have never met anyone else who wanted to play. +--- 57856234 +>>57851565 (OP) +>>earth ships don't use missiles +no but earth defense ring was all missiles +--- 57856243 +>>57851776 +>Regarding missiles, like everyone is talking about, those are generally retarded for space combat. They would be detected at range, meaning they have to be fast to avoid defenses. To be fast, they'd need a powerful engine, making them even more detectable, as well as a fuel source that'll probably be rapidly expended via constant acceleration, meaning the range will be short. Shorter than a railgun, which can fire faster, can't be intercepted, and gives no warning. The only reason to have them would be to bomb stuff through an atmosphere. +Projectile-based point defence will need a considerable amount of time to reach the missile and can be avoided if the missile has active sensors. +Beam-based point defence has a linear relationship between aperture diameter and effective range. Any point defence gun capable of intercepting a missile at a respectable distance would be the size of the main battery. Which is fine, we can have the main battery do double duty, but heat management is an issue, and it can be overwhelmed. +Any point defence gun small enough to fit in numbers would not be effective past doubledigit kilometres. +And you can't even fit them in numbers because heat management sets hard restrictions on the number of guns you have, anyway. +All of this also means that the missile can coast most of the way, only needing enough Delta V to do course correction and for the final approach, making them smaller and cheaper. +The best way to intercept missiles are, amusingly, smaller gunboats that can meet them at range. Which requires the missiles to be protected by their own gunboats, of course. +Oh, did I just set up fighters in space? Guess all the nerds bitching about them need to take it up the ass. +--- 57856260 +>>57852745 +>B5 would sometimes go hard scifi with battles. There's one where the Narn engage the Shadows with beam weapons outside of visual range. +It's a great sequence. +A pity they dropped that approach afterwards. Need more BVR space combat. +--- 57856274 +>>57851565 (OP) +Stargate is really close to how Planet Dirt really operates +t. overheard something I wasn't supposed to +--- 57856280 +>>57852768 +i have season 2 .do you? +--- 57856293 +>>57856231 + +Try MegaMek. It's literally a free version of the tabletop game that can be played against local AI or online against other people. +--- 57856302 +>>57853406 +That thing is roughly as dense as planet Earth. +That's not a bioship, that thing's made of solid Titanium. With a lead core. +--- 57856314 +>>57856243 +macross fans know better +--- 57856342 +>totalitarian regime in space +>focus on superweapons over practicality +>obsessed with being themed +>makes sure the grunts are incompetent retards so they cannot rebel +>brought down by its own spitefulness and desire to torture its already defeated foes +It's not a good military, but goddamn is it a realistic take on one specific type of military. +--- 57856380 +>>57856231 +>Sadly however I have never met anyone else who wanted to play. +The managing company is incompetent. They give it basically zero advertising or support, and their sole interest is to make money off legacy players. No one wants to play because no one really knows it exists. If they knew what it was, they WOULD want to play. That's the paradox. + +It works for me, at any rate. It's futuristic space Chechnya 24/7. +--- 57856397 +>>57852513 +It's on the upswing, their new kickstarter just got 5.5 million +--- 57856422 +>>57856342 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlvSwZ_4uuA [Embed] +--- 57856440 +>>57851565 (OP) +Gunbuster +--- 57856463 +>>57852943 +>>57852951 +>>57856123 +Bobbie in the books was established as being unusually large and strong due to her polynesian heritage. +--- 57856480 +>>57856380 +They did license a really good and faithful version on the PC. And fucking niggers on /v/ and /btg/ and the CBT forums shat all over it because you could OPTIONALLY choose some pronoun bullshit (or you could choose not to) and because there were some VERY VERY minor differences in mechanics. +The CBT community doesn't deserve nice things. Although NEA seems like a nice guy. Apart from the weird porno fanfiction he wrote. +--- 57856485 +>>57852685 +Go to Cincinatti +--- 57856520 +>>57856485 +Just in general? +--- 57856534 +>>57856480 +The only reason to get mad at the Battletech game is because there's not much variety in weapons or mechs. Some autismos modded it though and added in hundreds of mechs, as well as playable tanks, VTOLs, and basically every weapon ever dreamed up. The mod is 3x the size of the base game. +--- 57856554 +>>57855847 +The shot is a spinally mounted railgun, which is technically too big and powerful for the ship it's mounted to. The rotating ship is being pursued by the ships being shot at. +--- 57856700 +I remembered this story, written in a snit after seeing the WW2 aeroplane space battles in Star Wars. + +http://library.lol/fiction/4b0c638011a5231bc781f3f4446b5863 +--- 57856722 +>>57856463 +NTA but it is nice they cast an actual Polynesian chick to play the part. That actress is a tank . +--- 57856725 +Oh shit I just remembered an old Newgrounds Flash cartoon... let me see if I can find it. + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7MZL_MptOQ [Embed] + +God damn this takes me back. +--- 57856735 +>>57851565 (OP) +Did anyone else really enjoy Titanfall? + +Aside from the time travel BS, really enjoyed the plot, story, and combat. You can tell that they were aiming for the gritty feel that old school Halo gamers were seeking for years: wouldn't this game be a lot tougher if we were ODSTs? +--- 57856756 +>>57851776 +>Regarding missiles, like everyone is talking about, those are generally retarded for space combat. They would be detected at range, meaning they have to be fast to avoid defenses. To be fast, they'd need a powerful engine, making them even more detectable, as well as a fuel source that'll probably be rapidly expended via constant acceleration, meaning the range will be short. Shorter than a railgun, which can fire faster, can't be intercepted, and gives no warning. The only reason to have them would be to bomb stuff through an atmosphere. +You can fire a missile through a railgun, and that missile could iself be railgun. +--- 57856763 +>>57856722 +I like the fact the director took the time to shoot closeups of her ass in tight space outfits coming down the ladders. +--- 57856766 +Man I really hate to do this, but + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWtuKm6C1Sw [Embed] +--- 57856779 +>>57856756 +Yo dawg, we heard you like near C projectiles, so we put a railgun in yo railgun projectile, so you can fire a railgun while firing railguns. +--- 57856807 +>>57852904 +>the single PC I'm typing this on has more graphics processing power than the multi-million dollar graphics rendering studio for B5. +The PC I'm using renders VR in 4k at 144FPS for videogames. Moore's law is a helluva drug. +--- 57856816 +>>57856274 +>Planet Dirt +What? +--- 57856849 +>>57856816 +I wouldn't worry about it. +--- 57856864 +>>57856816 +>Have planet +>Name it dirt +No wonder the Gou'ld abandoned it. +--- 57856921 +>>57856735 +Titanfall 2 was a fucking blast in singleplayer. Even the time travel shenanigans were awesome to use. + +It really felt like a crossover between Portal and Halo. +--- 57856924 +AT LAST, WE NOW GET THE CHANCE TO FACE EACH OTHER IN COMBAT +--- 57857055 +>>57856924 +>Kamovs are supposedly complete shitbuckets +>can cloak +>can immediately fire out of jump +>will fire several salvos despite Energy Shield Genrators are online and win trough sheer saturation +>meanwhile Gamma shoves their thumbs up their assholes and you have to protect from enemy turrets,fighters and destroy shield gens, till their slug like movement allows them to lock and fire +--- 57857061 +>>57856763 +Also this +--- 57857073 +>>57856921 +>It really felt like a crossover between Portal and Halo. + +Perfect way to describe it. I absolitey enjoyed pilot shenanigans with wall-runs and the like. It's a pity the original game is near impossible to play these days; support ended a while ago. +--- 57857087 +>>57856924 +>torpedoes + +My PTSD just kicked in. +--- 57857104 +>>57855988 +And that interspecies shit. Stop that! +--- 57857147 +>>57851565 (OP) +No, though a few got close. + +It depends on travel technology, therefore how meaningful/meaningless distances get, and how much resources are available and required. Both defines the scale of conflicts and what is needed: at a short enough distance, you wouldn't even risk human lives on spaceships, if there's enough resources you wouldn't have much conflicts at all. + +Still the ideal spaceship design would look kind of like an airship, that is a very small spaceship, surrounded by a huge structure that catches projectiles. At least, in the few vidya that kinda properly depict space combat issues, it's what works the best, there needs to be as much filler as possible around you. +--- 57857509 +>THIS ENTIRE THREAD +>no one mention Kessler effect +Disappointed. +Space debris are really, really, really bad for any orbit you care about and the infrastructure building your mighty manned spaceship. +Once you have the infrastructure to build "warship" you have the ability to build Laser turrets capable of effectively disabling any fleet or missile swarms not big enough to get through. + +On the other side, this is a way to legitimize space boarding. +--- 57857634 +>>57857509 +Fuck off retard. Kessler syndrome is functionally impossible and cleans itself rapidly. Solar wind, magnetism, and thin exosphere all rapidly degrade the orbit of small objects. But also collisions result in most off the mass staying in a single large chunk in the original orbit and very few small pieces and a token amount if sand and powder that basically deorbit instantly. + +Fuck off with your "nuclear winter but in space" lies. BTW nuclear winter is also a fucking lie. +--- 57857894 +>>57856231 +You can come to /tg/ battle tech general and shitpost with us anon, and there is MegaMek than makes playing the game fun and not have to look for all the tables all the time. +--- 57858002 +>>57857509 +There was no reason to mention it. This thread isn't about that. +Secondly, the debris wouldn't be permanent. +Thirdly, all the space debris problems could be mitigated by just not having ships in that orbit. + +Practical actual combat ships in space are going to be small, have small crews, and be highly fast and maneuverable while delivering probably one single powerful punch before running away. Basically gunships. Something that zooms into orbit as fast as possible, drops a payload of warheads onto the surface, and hits the burners to break orbit just as quickly. There's not going to be any big hulking cruisers with 10,000 crew members, precisely because that is impractical and stupid, and also presents a gigantic target. Newtonian physics dictates that big slow targets will be very dead targets, and in the arms race between defenses and offenses, offenses will ultimately win. A rod of tungsten about the size of a telephone poll fired at 60% C at a planet would blow the planet up. There's no armor or PDWs that will ever be enough. The only way to not die will be to not get hit. So there won't be big debris fields that choke off a planet, because no one will be dumb enough to build massive structures or ships to create such a thing. Or, well... I should rephrase that, because humanity is stupid. Someone WILL build a big thing, and it will inevitably be destroyed, and then the lesson learned after will be "Oh, we shouldn't build big targets anymore", since a lot of people will have to die before lessons are learned. And that's always been the case. + +I don't especially like Mass Effect's space ship designs, but they had the right idea in a double-hulled 20-30 man ship that can RCS out of the path of danger, and juke, roll, etc. +--- 57858006 +>>57857634 +>denial +Smarter people than you say otherwise. I guess you like looking like a retard on the internet. +You don't even understand basic orbital mechanics, "original orbit" still mean all orbits going through it will be lost and must be cleaned of anything that cannot dodge, constantly, for several decades. +Else ANY impact will create another "original orbit" you cannot go through. +https://youtu.be/JyG3zqLyW8k [Embed] + +The only orbits that clean themselves are the very low orbits and it still take decades plural and depend of debris size. Surprise surprise most of what we are small expendable satellites of a few tons at most who can dodge on their own. +The danger literally scale with how much stuffs you have up there, it would already cause problem right now despite our very low launch capability so we literally cannot have a glorious space future with large space station, space dock, orbital rings, space elevators...etc unless we take this deadly seriously. +Good luck telling everyone on Earth they should just wait "decades" then rebuild all their 1000+tons stations and only build rocket capable of dodging the shredder orbits. + +>Fuck off with your "nuclear winter but in space" lies. BTW nuclear winter is also a fucking lie. +I suspect you are the kind of idiot who think Climate change is a lie because "it didn't kill us already" or because as long as a few people survive it doesn't count. +You weren't worth answering but many other will care to get the full scope. +--- 57858044 +>>57851565 (OP) +The Outer Limits +Space: Above and Beyond +--- 57858053 +>>57857634 +>rapidly degrade the orbit of small objects +Actually, no. People tend to exaggerate how hard it is to hit a perfect orbit. It's very easy, and the margin of error is absolutely huge. + +Our only frame of reference is the ISS and the early MIR, but that's only because they're low enough that it's still in the upper layer of the atmosphere, and gets slowed down. That aside, anything else higher up is likely to remain long enough to be a huge pain in the ass for several generations. +--- 57858078 +>>57856763 +>>57857061 +Can we get some webm's please? Thank you. +--- 57858110 +>>57858006 +Not him, and most of your post is relatively okay, but "climate change" literally is a propagandistic lie. It's a nuspeak term that means whatever people want it to mean, which is why it's never clearly defined. I doubt you know what it really means either, but you're very sure it's real, because a lot of people have repeated the buzzword on tiktok and you heard about it in public school. Yet you don't really think in practical terms of what "climate change" allegedly is. Which is why if there's more hurricanes, that's climate change. If there's no hurricanes, that's climate change. If it's the same amount of hurricanes, well that's climate change as well. Etc. It's just a rebrand of "global warming" because global warming didn't actually happen, and despite what the false prophets of 30 years ago said, Florida wasn't put 20 feet under water, which is what they originally predicted would have happened by now. Whatever doomsday scenario you've been taught in school is going to happen in the next ten years, I guarantee you it isn't going to happen. And if Hollywood movie-tier doomsday "climate change" were about to happen in the next few years, the governments of the world would be sterilizing and killing people off, and shutting down Chinese factories with nukes if they had to. Instead, mass-immigration continues unabated, and cheap Chinese crap continues pouring into every Western nation. +--- 57858316 +>>57858110 +meds +--- 57858392 +>>57851961 +Have you considered that space magic is okay? +--- 57858411 +>>57858002 +Something that can kill or deny a military force orbits is very much in topic. +If you wanted a genocidal war you'd definitely count on a Kessler effect. + +>>Practical actual combat ships in space +You'll need to be a bit more specific with the context because you may not need to have crew, or a spaceship at all. +Given you used "Mass effect" as reference you'll understand I'm skeptical of your understanding of space navigation and reactive mass. + +You do not need to move in a planet orbit to then strike the surface, and being able to do so while starting outside this planet orbit (or even from its moon) imply your ship have huge power source and dV range, making it BIG by other standard. + +ex: +>small +gunship varied a lot in size + +>small crews +A mostly automated deathstar would count + +>highly fast +Can either mean you can change orbit quickly +or can reach another planet with SLOW but constant acceleration + +>maneuverable +Could just be a space pod capable of moving around space station +Could be a very big ship capable of changing orbit, basically pic. + +>before running away +All trajectories in space are ballistic, this imply you cancel the speed you've painfully gained to go back. It's going to require a LOT of fuel. +What you describe is more like +- changing your trajectory so it pass by the target +- use a non-autonomous weapon on target you couldn't hit another way +- keep on your trajectory then change it later + +>because no one will be dumb enough to build massive structures or ships to create such a thing. +So building a civilization is stupid but war is natural and should be actively made easier to do without repercussion? +I see you don't have an high opinion of mankind. +If your real argument is that we should not encourage single point of failure, obviously but risk prevention will mean acting to make war unprofitable (and yes by that I mean making space-Putin not even be able to order to capture space-Ukraine). +--- 57858464 +>>57856463 +>>57856763 +I had a sensible chuckle from one of Bobbie's internal monologs in the books. She said she usually had an advantage in social situations. Either the person was thrown off by being intimidated by her size or they were thrown off by her activating a chocolate muscle girl fetish. +--- 57858652 +>>57858110 +Original anon you answered, +Only way to keep this on topic would be to point out that propaganda and false information are legitimate weapon of war. An alien civilization who would like to wipe us out (without being irrefutably evil to other civilization) might discretely encourage self-destructing stupidity in our race. + +Shame it may make you think you are right because you branded what other said as "propaganda" first, regardless if making you believe something is "fakenews" might be the (real) propaganda of another group who make extra millions per seconds of you acting on wrong information. + +Changing the name of something isn't done solely for misinformation, sometime it's because the problem you only saw a fraction of needed a more scientifically accurate name. +In military context it's like rewording "Enemy provocation, they won't really do it" into "Enemy first strike, they mean war". +https://youtu.be/g3vPyhX1Pps?t=70 [Embed] +--- 57858696 +>>57858053 +based planetes poster +--- 57858737 +>>57856182 +Oh no + +I would rather being eaten by a bug then follow orders from a black woman! +--- 57858744 +>>57851639 +The big red circles are clearly broadside particle cannon. +--- 57858975 +>>57856534 +Which BT game and mod? +--- 57859111 +>>57856231 +>>57856380 +That and the main BT system is kinda clunky and gets really time-intensive once you try to play larger than lance-on-lance engagements, let alone anything involving combined arms. +--- 57859208 +>>57852043 +Ranges in the TT are deliberately shrunk down and abstracted so you don't have to rent a warehouse floor to play a big engagement. + +Like, compare the RPG and Tabletop ranges: A shoulder-launched SRM in the TT has a max range of like 180 meters, while the same launcher in the RPG goes out to 750 meters for a long-range shot. RPG ranges for LRM enable straight up indirect fire over the horizon and the only direct-fire weapons longer-ranged than that (AC/2s, Light Guass etc.) are at least in part designed for AA duties. +--- 57859274 +>>57851565 (OP) +starship troopers. +the movie not the book. +--- 57859423 +>>57852938 +Eh, not quite. The First and Second Succession Wars (both lasted like 30 years each, with a ~10-year pause in between) were more akin to a full-blown Cold War goes hot scenario with all sides trying for full-on strategic destruction of their opponents warmaking and industrial potential. Everything that looked remotely important got nuked if at all practical. Military infrastructure, military-related industry, R&D, administrative hubs, hell even just civilian industry and whatever could theoretically be dual-use. Worlds died, and that was just collateral damage outside a few exceptions like Jinjiro Kurita going full psycho after his dad bit it. + +They only stopped because they all by the end of the 2nd Succession War realised that interstellar civilization was literally at the brink of total collapse. WarShips - military FTL-capable ships - and the industries building them were literally extinct and civilian FTL JumpShip production had declined to the point where they could barely replace just the normal attrition from accidents and wear&tear. + +The 3rd Succession War that followed and lasted ~160 years was essentially a mix between WWI and medieval-style raiding warfare. The lack of FTL transport meant that you couldn't really do massive invasions on an interstellar scale anymore. JumpShips were safe though, because basically everybody relevant agreed that destroying them now was a crime against humanity. So everyone just rolled out the militia, dug in on the border planets and put reserves one or two FTL jumps back and every real invasion would generally get stuck one jump in and then have to grind it out while both sides tried to bring in reinforcements. Campaigns slowed to a crawl and small-unit raids became the prevalent type of combat. +--- 57859449 +>>57858392 +Have you considered not being an irredeemable faggot? +--- 57859527 +>>57856480 +>>57856534 +They expanded the Mechs and parts a bit in later DLCs, too. + +Also, the mechanics differences if at all made things better overall IMO. The buff to ye olde autocannons alone was great, actually amde the smaller ones viable. + +>>57858975 +Harebrained Schemes' Battletech TBS game. +--- 57859534 +>>57858053 +Space diapers! +--- 57859786 +What does everyone think about the idea of still using conventional weapons on Mars? +Rifles, etc should all still work. + +I guess you need to adjust for a higher barrel pressure differential with the thin atmosphere + +The only argument that can be made about handing to use lasers or rail guns instead, is that it takes fuel to get the chemical propellant and projectiles to Mars, and those materials could be better used in other applications +--- 57860162 +>>57859786 +By the time wars are being fought on Mars, there will be local production of muntions. +--- 57860363 +>>57860162 +They may need to come up with new recipes then. +--- 57860382 +>>57856342 +Sir that is a dick and balls +--- 57860418 +>>57860363 +Why? Basically all the resources needed are on Mars. The problem is extracting them. There's nitrogen and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, water ice in the ground. +--- 57860453 +>>57859449 +--- 57861329 +>>57857634 +>Fuck off retard. Kessler syndrome is functionally impossible and cleans itself rapidly. Solar wind, magnetism, and thin exosphere all rapidly degrade the orbit of small objects. +It is possible and how fast low earth orbits will clean itself is extremely relative. Shit might stay up there for long enough to prevent or at least limit space flight for generations. + +>>57856302 +>That's not a bioship, that thing's made of solid Titanium. With a lead core. +kek. I have rarely bothered to check numbers in any of supposed technical specs in scifi fluff materials. I guess we have lead based lifeforms here. Now the relevant thing is how you can kill 'em, lead poisoning wouldn't be a viable method. + +>>57858110 +>"climate change" literally is a propagandistic lie +Most of opposition for climate change are propagandistic lies. Literally coming from same scientists that previously opposed the fact that smoking causes cancer. People with previous experience in selling their opinions to business interests. Rest are mostly willful ignorance. +--- 57861448 +>>57851693 + +You know she'd slap a ball gag on you, strap on a massive dildo and reorganize your guts in zero g. +--- 57861561 +>>57851776 +Nebulous Fleet Command works with those issues with missiles by forcing players to use different tactics with different missile types. Having a missile that has a second "Sprint" stage allows you to fire it from far away or around objects to engage the ship with a missile that the enemy's PD cannot engage in time. Missiles can be fired in groups and with additional onboard munitions to overwhelm the PD with targets to track. There's a lot more to it, but it's honestly just a naval combat game in space. +--- 57861584 +>>57853709 +not to mention distances in space battles could be hundreds of kilometers +even if you could just look out a window (you wouldn't have one) the chances of seeing and estimating off visual alone is just lol, lmao +--- 57861636 +>>57860418 +Water flow has artificially concentrated a lot of the elements on earth. Think California gold rush. You mine the minerals where they are, not everywhere. +I suppose everything is technically possible though. +--- 57861693 +>>57856463 +>Muh books! +>100lb woman is as strong as 250lb Arnold villain + +The concept is overused and is retarded. +--- 57861746 +>iykyk +--- 57861783 +>>57851565 (OP) +https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6tottr + +i love this scene of space yamato with everthing and how retard its is. +--- 57861849 +>>57858053 +This is in my top 5 anime of all time. +I like the little detail accuracies. Like how before going on a spacewalk, they zero a artificial horizon on their HUD to give them a frame of reference. It's not explained in the show/manga, they just do it. +--- 57861861 +>>57861693 +Have you considered not being an irredeemable faggot? +--- 57861926 +>>57861636 +This has likely occured on Mars as well because it too had water and rivers. +--- 57861957 +>>57861636 +Mars had liquid water in the past. It has had a lot of resource concentration. +--- 57862045 +>>57861746 +>that commercial got so many dudes +--- 57862079 +>>57858110 +This anon speaks the truth. +--- 57862082 +>>57859786 +>What does everyone think about the idea of still using conventional weapons on Mars? + + +By the way I'm sure you /k/ junkies will love this page or have plenty of opinion about it +http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/sidearmintro.php + +(talking about pure oxygen atmosphere in space station, which give plenty of advantage) +>In such an atmosphere, the danger of muzzle flash, the unburned gunpowder residues, will force the installation of silencer mount to any gun. Hot brass pose anther ignition source and brass catcher have to be attach to any autoloader or use of revolvers instead. The lower air pressure will reduce the natural convection heat transfer, the guns will heat up very fast and will takes longer time to cool down. Any expose metal part should be cover in the equivalent of full body barrel shroud that prevents any contact between the hot metal to any flammable material if the gun dropped or fall down. Two unexpected perks of the lower pressure; firstly sound transfer reduced by the lower air density and with combine with the obligatory silencers eliminate the need of hearing protection. Second; the lower air density, a fifth of Earth sea level, meant that the air drag is also approximately fifth of what the bullet face in normal Earth air. Most if not all of the special purpose cartridges designed for reduced hull penetration and reduce over-penetration have terrible aerodynamic properties. A lower pressure cabin will allows such types of ammo lower velocity drop and larger ranges beyond their Earth bound specification. + +And more here with official report +http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/sidearmslug.php#id--Slugthrowers--Vacuum_Firearms +--- 57862095 +>>57861448 +I know. That's the appeal. +--- 57862305 +>>57851565 (OP) +Earth Force had Russian tier tactics in Mimbarii war. All they did was just letting themselves to be blown up by space elves. Sheridan was only one who did something else, utilizing concept of trap on his own. +Even first contact was like they intentionally choose most hotheaded and not fitting officer to do diplomatic mission. +Also security on Babylon 5 sucks, far to many times ambassadors had no protection and were in danger few easy to avoid assassination and murder attempts (some even successful). +So yeah, technically it did it right, realistically depending what irl military you compare with +--- 57862322 +>>57851961 +Battletech tries to be realistic but it's in the context of some really retarded foundational rules, so it's a give-some-take-some relationship to realism. + +* """long-range""" missiles are about half a kilometre, and completely unguided without extra special equipment +* Literally ballistic weapons can't be fired *ballistically* at targets over the horizon, only missiles +* Armour is just protective hit points rather than a pierces/doesn't-pierce relationship like it mostly has in reality +* Let's build armoured fighting vehicles with giant windowed cockpits, that's a great idea +* Walking tanks fighting at point-blank range, in fact even actually punching each other +* A computer allowing the giant robots to coordinate with each other takes up space & weight measured in fucking *tons* (this one at least is understandable since back in the 80s people thought powerful computers would always be big & heavy) + +So yeah let's not pretend Battletech is the pinnacle of realism. It's decent at being internally consistent, though. +--- 57862561 +>>57861861 +>if you don't like current entertainment that puts diversity before story writing and character development, you're a fag + +Sorry that I like good entertainment and don't consume current product. +--- 57862771 +>>57851648 +Yeah nah cunt, as an aussie I can tell you right now that polynesian women (who bobbie is supposed to be) like that exist. The show and books had heaps of gay woke shit, bobby wasn't one of them +--- 57863297 +>>57862561 +>puts diversity before story writing and character development +How exactly did it do that? Be specific. What character development and story writing took a back seat? +--- 57865404 +>letting this tgread archive on a saterday night +As if you shut-ins have dates or something. +--- 57865710 +>>57862322 +>* """long-range""" missiles are about half a kilometre + +Even in the TT rules that seriously reduce weapons ranges for the sake of playability, this is incorrect. Also, the LRM is a tactical system and only considered long-range by that measure (and to differentiate from SRMs.) It's not an artillery weapon. + +>and completely unguided without extra special equipment + +As is this. The only actually unguided missile weapons in the game are cheapo one-shot rocket pods and specific "deadfire" missiles that sacrifice the basic seeker to pack more boom. + +>*Literally ballistic weapons can't be fired *ballistically* at targets over the horizon, only missiles + +Yes, because the "ballistic weapons" category are direct-fire weapons that make no accomodations to indirect use. Actual artillery weapons are treated as their own category. + +>*Armour is just protective hit points rather than a pierces/doesn't-pierce relationship like it mostly has in reality + +Which is an artifact of the in-setting technological progression. Armor has become increasingle ablative in exchange for being stupendously resistance to outright penetration. Older "primitive" or crappy commercial armoring types can be penetrated without ablating everything if you shoot it with a big enoug weapon, but those just aren't used on frontline units anymore exactly for that reason. + +>* Let's build armoured fighting vehicles with giant windowed cockpits, that's a great idea + +Yet those "giant" windows are so small that trying to go for a cokcpit shot on a moving target is a waste of time. + +>* Walking tanks fighting at point-blank range, in fact even actually punching each other + +Which mostly happens in heavily broken or urban terrain, and as a consequence of armor being good enough to allow units to take hits and keep going as a matter of course. +--- 57865746 +I'm not reading this whole fucking thread just to post 'Space: Above and Beyond' was the best military scifi show and be eternally and indisputably right. +--- 57865768 +>>57862322 +>* A computer allowing the giant robots to coordinate with each other takes up space & weight measured in fucking *tons* (this one at least is understandable since back in the 80s people thought powerful computers would always be big & heavy) + +C3 networks do rather more than just "allow units to coordinate with each other". Like, holy shit, the actual level of data sharing and fire-control computation involved to make that work the way it does is pretty damn mind-boggling. + +Also, remember that Mech construction rules are abstracted to a point. Like, weapons tonnage includes things like putting those guns into an articulated, armored mount and providing proper connections to power, cooling and autoloader systems. Targetting computers include actual upgrades to those remote mounts and all adjacent systems to work with the improved precision of the system etc. +--- 57865852 +>>57853025 + +>You think your freeborn moves can possibly compare to how a trueborn of Clan Jade Falcon gets down? +>Well bargained and done then surat. +--- 57865932 +>>57852869 +80s and 90s toys were GOAT +--- 57867214 +>>57863297 +This anon summed it up the best +>>57856123 +--- 57867418 +NTA, +To be honest Battletech will obviously suffer from all the flaws related to mecha, AND being ported from arbitrary tabletop gameplay and funky sci-fi weapons that wouldn't exist by realistic physics. +Really, even Gundam is more coherent as pseudo-science and design go. Battledude mocking humanoid shape should remember Battletech still have anthropoid number of arms & legs (save a few exception). + +pic 100% related + +>>57865710 +>Yet those "giant" windows are so small that trying to go for a cokcpit shot on a moving target is a waste of time. +Many battlemech do have GIANT windows right in the center of mass. Redesign or not. +At Battletech level they should have 360° VR with triple redundancy, even with a dedicated FoV for the real sensors + +>>57865768 +>C3 Network +I give them inventing L16 before it was a thing IRL, but the computation required to have walking machine is actually far more impressive than just "sharing targeting data" which was IRL only a problem because constant emission make you into a target. +--- 57867526 +>>57856123 +>didn’t read the books +Holden was a Pajeet because he was a Pajeet in the books and he was a talented Pajeet because he was literally a Pajeet PC in a tabletop campaign of Traveller you dumb culture warrior, and I say that as someone who doesn’t like the show and thinks the books are mid +--- 57867540 +>>57851565 (OP) +Bump +--- 57867549 +>>57861693 +>has never met a Polynesia woman +Samoans are literally built different +--- 57867563 +>>57854530 +Yeah the writers are civvies basing it on a tabletop campaign. It’s why their captain can just do whatever he fucking wants without consequences and always saves the day and makes huge decisions for everyone else kek +--- 57867570 +>>57851961 +Both Battletech and WH40k games where the setting and associated fluff material is better than the game. Even the spin off and licensed vidya are mostly better than original games. Battletech has remained more or less same when it comes to gameplay between new editions, just added more stuff to it. WH40k on the other hand has gone thru plenty of simplification to make easier for kids, some of it good, some of it bad. Best GW games are easily the smaller scale games like Necromunda, Gorkamorka and Bloodbowl. Then again GW's main business has been selling miniatures and new books for new editions for sake of making more money. + +>>57862322 +All of that is derived from game play limitations, size of a table and trying to balance the game. If we ignore realism aspect entirely, look at the internal consistency. Like 70% canonical mechs have some borderline retarded armament choices. 25% are kinda okay with only mild retardation. 5% of designs actually make sense within game. + +One thing is certain, people who made source books about inner sphere factions have no clue about math or human biology. People in BT breed like fucking insects. They also had very little idea of astronomy. +--- 57867691 +>>57867549 +>heavist deadlift by a woman, 621 lbs +>heaviest deadlift by a man, 1,185 lbs + +yeah.... +--- 57868312 +>>57858316 +>>57861329 +"Climate change" isn't real, which is why you cannot define what it is. Reddit is elsewhere. +--- 57868324 +>>57862322 +Literally everything you're complaining about is explained by the canon. +--- 57868663 +>>57856243 +>All of this also means that the missile can coast most of the way, only needing enough Delta V to do course correction and for the final approach, making them smaller and cheaper. +Really feels like it defeats the point of using a missile. +--- 57868667 +>>57856700 +>>57856725 +Did anyone check out my links? Opinions? + +Interstellar Marines and Hellion showed a lot of promise, but both were cancelled due to fuckery. + +I have hopes that Kerbal Space Program or the older Orbiter community will give us the autismo space combat I crave. + +Well, now that the Space Station 13 3D remake that was being made out of eight chan by that Russian autist is gone. + +Outrim was a web comic with pretty hard physics, but it was based on someone's Traveller campaign. Too bad the author packed it in due to some family drama and never came back. + +I heard the RPG Albedo, and the comic that it was based on, were pretty hard-SF settings. I mean, it's furry, but it's that charming sort of early 80's protofurry from before the Sonic OCs and Sparkledogs and the backlash. +--- 57870223 +>>57856274 +Where did you hear about Planet Dirt, anon? Outside of ATS of course. Apparently there is a other potentially better place to go now. +--- 57870232 +>>57867418 +>"sharing targeting data" + +You're completely ignoring that there's degrees there. It's like someone saying modern fire control systems aren't impressive because technology doing the same existed a hudnred years ago already, all while completely ignoring the actual performance of the systems in question. + +>>57867691 +I'd like to see the guys who complain about how buff women are an impossible myth try and deadlift 621 pounds. Probably preceede it with the Jackass soundtrack. +--- 57870639 +Patlabor 2 has maybe the best depiction of electronic warfare in any film, should I put together a QRD? +--- 57870886 +>>57858411 +What game? +--- 57872777 +>>57851648 +Eheh, at least Bobby was a TRAINED marine. Not like Avasaralla and the whole, smelly yaaasqueens behind her. + +The physics checked out for the most part. But on the topic of military - to come back to the question OP had - it was more a political show and therefore +'insert latte-drinking millennial nasal tone\ +military `stuff` just `kinda happened` and some people died and got shredded. + +I rate that show 6/10. +REALLY good visuals, +SOLID grasps on physics, +industrial sized cliffhanger insertions (basically ever ep ended with something hanging in the air), +and some sorry ass woke shit that just made my eyes roll. + +I like B5 better +--- 57872820 +>>57851648 +>>57872777 +Bosmang Camina was the only good female character, and truly a good female character for fucking once. +--- 57872826 +>>57870232 +again 621lbs of 1185lbs with similar years of training + +Average male is stronger than the average female body builder, + +Sorry that you don't like reality. +--- 57872851 +>>57852271 +Awesome shot, solid grasp on physics +Just. Those four ships could pepper the roci`s ass just as likely. +--- 57872990 +>>57861746 +what? +--- 57873007 +>>57852943 +>>Most are WYMENS!!!!!! +Less than half of them were, and they were in power armor which more than makes up for their sex. +--- 57873062 +>>57853490 +Clan Jade Falcon reference.... lol , my sides, literally, my sides.... XD +--- 57873153 +>>57856172 +At least she had a better idea than the brickhead before her. But, yeah, that was also the EXACT thing that happened. +--- 57873174 +>>57862045 diff --git a/k/57852155.txt b/k/57852155.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..94de1082146f2bbc1cd9f943f1a9c86a8ca8b9ce --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57852155.txt @@ -0,0 +1,164 @@ +----- +--- 57852155 +I'm a jogger and I feel vulnerable running around unarmed. For a fighting chance against pitbulls and hobos, I'd like a real small profile knife, probably a folder, and a thigh holster set up that I could have strapped under my running shorts, a lot like pic related actually. I live in California so I'm not sure what exactly the laws are but I believe to I can't conceal carry a fixed blade. +The thigh holster is gay as hell I know, but I don't want to have some pocket knife bouncing around loosely in my shorts, that I'd have to unzip the pockets anyways to get the knife out. Ideally the knife would be flat like a douk douk. +--- 57852302 +I don't think a thigh holster will work for jogging / running. + You will need something like a Hill People Gear Runners Kit Bag. +https://hillpeoplegear.com/Products/CategoryID/1/ProductID/2 +--- 57852492 +>>57852155 (OP) +running with a leg holster sucks ass and is retarded. if you want to run with a knife, run with a neck knife or have a lightweight running pack where you keep a fixed blade secured inside an easily accessible pocket. +--- 57852499 +Sex with Ada +--- 57852503 +get a gun sweetheart +--- 57852545 +>>57852155 (OP) +A folder would be the shittiest choice. Get an inside the waistband or horizontal belt carry sheath for a good fixed blade so you can just draw it out of the sheath and put it to use when seconds count. I recommend something like https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/terava-jaakaripuukko-110-carbon-steel/63681 + +Or this which can also be used as a neck knife + + https://www.bladehq.com/item--Cold-Steel-Tokyo-Spike-Fixed-Blade--15423 +--- 57852557 +>>57852503 +Recommend me a DAO, stainless, polymer frame, .25 or .32 acp then. I just want something to make sure the pitbull fucking suffers for attacking me. +--- 57852592 +>>57852155 (OP) +--- 57852602 +>>57852155 (OP) +I think the dangers of coffee are way overblown. +--- 57852621 +>>57852499 +Sex with Ada (She has a full auto thompson that she'll let me use after) +--- 57852628 +>>57852155 (OP) +You can open carry a fixed blade of any length, but you can't conceal a fixed blade if it isn't 3 inches or lower IIRC. Folding blades are the same idea. +--- 57852678 +>>57852557 +you want a Phlster Enigma as your holster. +>wah I spend a lot of money on holster? +yes, because for your purposes (running), the holster is actually more important than the gun. +carry a Glock 42 in it. +if you cannot carry a gun, then just get a Mora Companion or some shit. if you intend to use a knife for defense, then it needs to be big (for penetration) and fixed (for quick access). +carrying a gun will be better in the long run, and will cause less legal strain (carrying a knife in commiefornia will be looked at weirdly by officers, where if you carry a gun, you have a card to show you can do so legally, absolving you of all officer "opinions") +--- 57852717 +>>57852557 +Kel Tec P 32. I’d honestly just go with a Gen 1 Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield though +--- 57852773 +>>57852678 +Let's be honest here, the hobos really aren't the problem where I live, as it's usually some crusty gen x white guy that wants to be alone and not bother anyone. It's the shitbulls and possibly mountain lions that I'm likely to deal with. I live in small town california in the north. +--- 57852857 +>>57852155 (OP) +Stick a cheap knife in your waistband like a normal person. +--- 57852877 +>>57852857 +>HRT +--- 57852953 +>>57852773 +shitbulls and mountain lions? even more reason to carry a gun. +you do NOT want to fight a mountain lion with a knife. +you want to carry a weapon. guns are the modern choice of weapon. +--- 57853165 +>>57852857 +But I'm fat. How am I supposed to carry a pigsticker like that under my piggy little rolls? +--- 57853176 +>>57852155 (OP) +Pepper spray or sig p365 in 380 +--- 57856799 +This is designed as a purely defensive knife and attendant fighting system. It's innovative, but I'm not sold yet. What does /k/anon think? Did they reinvent the wheel, or just make a square wheel? + +https://www.swatmag.com/article/huttons-edge-tactical-knife-and-fighting-system/ +http://www.zerodistancedefense.com/index.html +https://huttonsedge.com/ +--- 57857782 +>>57852155 (OP) +most perfect Ada of any RE game ever +demakes deserve to be removed from this world +--- 57857916 +>>57852678 +Can you even get a concealed carry permit in Commiefornia? I haven't followed the news much in the last few years. Did California fix their gun laws yet? +--- 57858659 +>>57852155 (OP) +>I'm a jogger +Recreational runner or African American? +--- 57858693 +>>57852155 (OP) +>I'm a jogger +Try a hi point or glawk 40 +--- 57858721 +>>57852557 +Beretta Tomcat is DA/SA but otherwise great +--- 57858788 +>>57857794 +That is a sexy knife. +--- 57858921 +>>57858659 +Recreational. I love the birds, trees, and the gentle breeze on a sunny day, shame that occasionally fat cunts take pibbles out for his monthly walk on my running trails. I've had so many nigger dogs make an attempt on me. +--- 57858945 +>>57858721 +I can't believe I forgot the tomcat existed. Still I'd prefer a polymer frame for absolute lightness. +--- 57859070 +>>57858659 +--- 57859413 +>>57856799 +>He stated that the HETK is a defensive instrument because it and his technique target the opponent’s appendages to render them inoperable. +>The HETK is more of a slashing tool, and the first purpose of the system is to stop the fight rather than attempt to kill the opponent. +>In one practitioner’s opinion, the stab is the “least effective way to disable.” +>One other advantage of the system is you don’t have to be physically fit to employ it. +Yeah this is just like Michael Janich's retarded theory with the Yojimbo. Back in the day people kept trying to make the argument that it takes years for someone to be incapacitated by a stab. It just isn't true. If you study what sparing footage of knife situations that exist, you see people go down quick all the time, especially if you get an artery. The reality of using a knife in a self-defense context is that it will be very brief and brutal. You will not have the time or inclination to engage in any of the bullshido limb-disabling these guys talk about. + +A "defensive" knife just has to be: concealed, able to be drawn quickly, easy to grip securely, and able to stab. A knife user should be relatively athletic and understand what spots are vital targets for a knife to strike. Anyone that sells you a "knife system" where "even a fat fuck can do it" is just grifting or full of their own smoke. +--- 57859669 +>>57859413 +Which brings up a other question, what's the best place to stab an attacking pitbull especially with one arm sacrificed to its mouth? +--- 57859821 +>>57859669 +probably the carotid +--- 57859837 +>>57859669 +Slash as deep as you can into the neck, try to cut arteries. If you stab and get the knife stuck you're fucked. +--- 57860351 +Hijacking. +This shit is what happens when you dunk hot titanium in ferric chloride. You guys happen to k ow ir any other metals react like this, say brass or copper? I know aluminum can be violent with ferric chloride. +--- 57863153 +>>57860351 +copper alloys can be flame colored but it won't last long +--- 57863190 +>>57860351 +Cool. Post more of that. +--- 57865950 +>>57863190 +>>57860351 +Please do. +--- 57867094 +>>57859669 +I purchased a 16 lb. brisket yesterday and, while cutting the fat off of it, I did a light test of stab vs. slash. That's something you could try, to get a feel. Most notable was the incredible difference between a very sharp knife and a duller knife. There's almost no point in carrying a knife if it isn't as sharp as possible, especially if slashing. +--- 57869207 +>>57852155 (OP) +ill tell you what you really want. a gun, cant get one? +get a spyderco manix 2 with g10 scales, or the cheaper option is spyderco's subsidary brand, byrd harrier 2 with g10 scales. spyderco covers its basis with all scenarios for why you would need a knife, and their designs are better than others. +--- 57872291 +>>57852877 +Apropos . +--- 57872305 +>>57857913 +That looks like absolute trash, and that's not even considering the design itself. +--- 57872318 +>>57863190 +>>57865950 +Here's a Kizer Vindicator I did the other day. Discontinued knife and I have a new blade on the way, may try and sell this one for $200 or so. +--- 57872329 +>>57865950 +>>57863190 +>>57860351 +Or even better, post any information on how to accomplish that. Asking for myself. +--- 57872472 +>>57852155 (OP) +>tfw no pale skin slant eye gf with a thompson +--- 57872591 +>>57852155 (OP) +Seems like a OTF knife would be perfect for you +--- 57872975 +>>57852155 (OP) +Goddamn, you're dumb. SoCal-anon here Just tuck a fixed blade into your waistband if you're so worried. I've done it for years, with folders and fixed blades. How hard is that to figure out? diff --git a/k/57852332.txt b/k/57852332.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..87053d4d23d30fb906bd7065fbcf2b2996f0e8dc --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57852332.txt @@ -0,0 +1,587 @@ +----- +--- 57852332 +The year is 2027, NATO is at war with China and Russia. The Russians collapsed immediately, Putin was shot before the nukes could fly, and the oligarchs have capitulated. The invasion of Taiwan failed, with heavy naval losses on both sides, 100k+ Chinese dead. The Korean war 2.0 is playing out with large formations of Chinese and American troops in support of whatever Koreans are left on either side. Seoul is an irradiated wasteland. All that's left are the Chinese mainland and the North Koreans. Iran is sitting this one out due to civil unrest. + +How would this play out? Would we invade at all? Would there just be a nuclear standoff until a peace settlement was reached? +If we were to invade, what would be the best way to do it? What do casualty figures look like? Would they collapse as soon as we reached Beijing? +--- 57852336 +yeah +--- 57852520 +>>57852332 (OP) +Remilitarize Russia and send them in waves. They're clearly buck-broken enough to do it. Once both sides are spent, swoop in and finish the job. Pat Russia on the head and tell them they saved the world again and can have another parade day and an invitation to NATO. +--- 57852894 +>>57852332 (OP) +We would send 3rd world "allies" like Filipinos or slavs to invade, no one would care about the casualties. +--- 57852955 +>>57852332 (OP) +Blockade and let them starve. It’s not worth trying to invade China it’s pretty defensible in terms of the terrain and has literally millions of bodies they can feed into a meat grinder before starting to feel a strain on their manpower. Without food imports a 3rd of the population will die within a few years or they’ll start crab bucketing and NATO can pick the winner. +--- 57853078 +>>57852332 (OP) +chinese take anchorage +war continues until 2070s +nuclear holocaust soon after +--- 57853257 +>>57852955 +> Without food imports a 3rd of the population will die within a few years +Retard +--- 57853473 +>>57852332 (OP) +you dont need to invade taiwan for it to fall. +economic sanctions, limit food and fuel imports to china, maybe some green berets/CIA glowies to start an insurgency in south and west china, and the regime will topple by itself because Xi doesn't have much competent and autonomous people left in middle management or even in his high cabinet to manage the crisis properly. Xi is like the incarnation of stalin. he has been purging everyone. +>>57853257 +china is one of the largest importers of food and energy in the world, and their local food production is still reeling from maoist era retardation that damaged the lands in the longterm and got rid of most farming competency in the populace. +--- 57853738 +>>57852332 (OP) +>Chinese industrial capacity bombed into the Stone Age +>PLAN at the bottom of the ocean +>US bases in Asia are craters but new ones replaced them and US/NATO continues to have air superiority +>Vietnam on Tren on the ground +>stalemate +>social unrest in all countries involved puts an end to the war +>world economy in shambles +>everywhere is a revolution except for maybe a few places in Africa and South America +>antichrist does his thing +>Christ does his thing +>aliens were also there +>turns out everything was just consciousness, magnetism, and electricity +> ƧΉIƬƧ ЩΣIЯD MΛП ︻̵̵̿ +--- 57853803 +>>57852332 (OP) +Will the pajeets get to shit their way into china once the use keep them distracted on the Pacific? Or will they instead nuke themselves into oblivion with Pakistan? +--- 57853818 +>>57852332 (OP) +this is gay and retarded fantasy coming from that retard who can't stop trying to be famous. +--- 57854067 +>>57853627 +>please sanction china more +china isnt being sanctioned in any major way. +US is one of the largest food and energy producers. If the entire world sanctioned the US then lower class people wouldnt be able to afford eggs and beef, but they wont starve. Electronic supply chain are disrupted for a year, but we'll live without phones. +China is an industrial, urbanized society that literally destroyed their agricultural sector in the great leap forward. An industrial society that relies on importing 75% of its energy by the way. you sanction china and you get famine that is worse than the great famine, its industrial sector is gone entirely because no energy, and now the lights are off and people in the city are starving, and they cant even trade in the black market for fuel and food because their industrial capacity is gone +--- 57854078 +>>57853473 +>and their local food production is still reeling from maoist era retardation +you don't know wtf you're talking about and you're being a huge faggot pretending you are. +--- 57854166 +>>57854067 +>urbanized society that literally destroyed their agricultural sector in the great leap forwar +>doesn't realize China is self sufficient in food. Doesn't realize China's energy import is for it's manufacturing export. +If you sanction China you entire society break down because you won't have the parts or machinery to build a street lamp + +This is the so called américain education? +--- 57854319 +>>57854166 +>>57854078 +>food security +https://www.reuters.com/article/china-fertilizers-quotas-idUSKBN2OQ0KY +no fertilizer. no food. +>you wont have the parts or machinery to build a street lamp +you can rebuild industrial capacity. luckily, US has good relations with canada and mexico who can trade the rest of the missing things. +unfortunately, you cant "rebuild" energy capacity. you either have fuel or you trade for it. unfortunately for china, their immediate neighbours dont exactly like them. You can bet that malaysia, taiwan, singapore, indonesia, india, japan will comply with sanctions not because of their obedience to the UN but because they actually have an interest in seeing the CCP eat shit. No energy --> no petrochemical processing, no cheap products, no exports, no processing of fertilizers for their precious foods, no money +Oh and lets not forget to mention their brilliant inverted triangle demographics. those one child policies during industrialization sure are doing a number. +>inb4 russia +i guess they can rely on russian gas (and they actually are relying on russian gas), but in case you havent noticed russia is not the most reliable ally, and neither is china, so they dont exactly trust each other. additionally, russia is also currently undergoing their own crisis. +--- 57854335 +>>57852332 (OP) +Count Russia on the West side, remember USA and Europe would rather prefer Ukraine to sign a piece treaty where they recover their 2021 territories while letting Russia keep Crimea to save face, in the deal Ukraine becomes a member of NATO an EU while the russian regime somewhat manages to save face. + +By 2027 the West can make a deal with Russia, in exchange for a lifting of the economic sanctions and Lend-lease 2.0, the russians attack northern China while they are already are fighting a naval war against Taiwan, USA and their pacific allies, a meatgrinder in the Himalayas against India, asymetrical warfare against Vietnam and have to keep best Korea afloat. + +Ultimately it will be like a mix of the Opium Wars and WW1 european theater all over again, with China's military getting decimated from so many enemies outnumbering even them, too many fronts and a blockade which will finally break Jinping grip on the government, I imagine he may attempt to press the button if someone at the CCP doesn't just put a bullet in his brain to avoid to break the taboo and save something, but I suspect even if that came to happen USA may already have by that point such advanced anti-ballistic systems to deny most nuclear attacks. + +I honestly can't see how China would recover from this, as they already crippled their own demographic. +--- 57854368 +>>57854335 + +I can only get so hard, broster +--- 57854390 +>>57854166 +In fact it will be beneficial to the rest of the planet to get rid China from the economic system, go check academic works and you will find the american middle class shrunk in great measure due exporting jobs to China, as a matter of fact, it was the CCP making a devil's deal with the west elites what allowed China to lift so much of their population from poverty while the west workers faced stagnation, both sides will suffer, but it's the chinese the ones who have the most to lose as don't even think for a second western corporation owners will side with China once it becomes a liability. + +Really, do you honestly believed a nation with an ideology which predicates world revolution was holding back out of good will? +--- 57854405 +>>57854319 +don't shift the fucking goalpost +>and their local food production is still reeling from maoist era retardation +this is what you said. It's wrong. You're a dumb faggot. +--- 57854415 +>>57854335 +NATO? 2027? lol. + +>>57854390 +> go check academic works and you will find the american middle class shrunk in great measure due exporting jobs to China +you're a fucking moron +--- 57854497 +>>57854405 +i can readily admit that I'm wrong about food production; I mixed it up woth their potash imports. However, it doesn't change the fact that their demographic is shite and their fuel hungry. you put sanctions on fuel and now they lose fertilizer production. sanctions would also affect potash imports. so yes, maybe sanctions on food wouldn't do shit. but sanctions in fertilizer and fuel would destroy china. +--- 57854528 +>>57854368 +You can, listen to this while reading it: + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P2QaXbWWF4&t=324s [Embed] + +USA is a strange nation, they are the only major world empire in history who truly seems to prefer to use the carrot rather than the stick, they DO believe it, what is more, instead of a carrot there is burger and discount coupons for more burgers, that's why they always win in the end, even if you somehow manage to make their military go away after ruining yourself to the point of starvation you eventually fall for the smell of roasted beef coming through your window. I guess all these autocrats are vegans or something. +--- 57854546 +>>57854415 +>NATO? 2027? lol. +>Finland +now go and cry to monke lord for a banana +--- 57854565 +>>57854415 +You know outside of 4chan most people don't really hate you, but the ones who rule you want you to believe that despite ample evidence on the contrary the rank and file of humanity and even the elites would rather prefer you don't live in abject poverty, no one has any use for hobos. + +Let me ask you one question, what do you think you will achieve in the long term if you somehow manage to capture Taiwan? +--- 57854727 +>>57854565 +Nigga wtf are you talking about? Off shoring started way before chinese entry into the wto, and it went to Mexico and SEA. + +As far as capturing taiwan, it’s one less headache for china. Taiwan is a huge security complication for China, especially given US designs to use the cross strait relationship as the lynchpin of Chinese maritime containment. +--- 57854737 +>>57854528 +> USA is a strange nation, they are the only major world empire in history who truly seems to prefer to use the carrot rather than the stick +This is the biggest bullshit in a thread full of bulshits. +--- 57854745 +>>57854319 +>no fertilizer. no food. +uhm did you even read the first link you fag? +Did you just google it and copy the first link? +--- 57854775 +>>57854727 +Security Complication? What security complication? They literally just sit there and sit on an island asking China to fuck off. If China were willing to negotiate an end to the standoff, it would end. China's 'negotiation' is "You become part of us immediately and we strip your people of all civil rights like we did Hong Kong." +--- 57854776 +>>57854745 +what do you think they need to produce phosphate fertilizer smartypants? +thats right. energy. energy they wont have if they get sanctioned +--- 57854797 +>>57854776 +Every energy exporter is not going to simultaneously sanction them. +--- 57854800 +>>57854776 +name 1 process that doesn't need energy. +are you are retarded by any chance? +--- 57854837 +oh and were you implying that China imported oil to make fertilizers? +wow. that's very smart. I bet you are from Taiwan or some kind of SEANIG. Nowadays you are all the same with the diversity BS going on. +>>57854775 +when the KMT was still strong, they did negotiated but was told to fuck off. You don't get play coy when you become weak kek. +--- 57854840 +>>57854800 +which makes china's reliance on energy imports even worse. thanks for proving my own point. +>>57854797 +they dont have to. again, china imports 75% of its energy. lets be generous and say that it falls by 20% from sanctions initially, ramping up further and further over time. What so you think happens to chinese society and economy. +--- 57854884 +>>57854840 +>china imports 75% of its energy +lol +lmao even +I am arguing with a monke +--- 57854898 +>>57854840 +>What so you think happens to chinese society and economy. +If we're talking about a full war economy, which is really the only condition I could see sanctions like that happening, they would have shut down all their useless thingamabob factories. They would have enough energy for fertilizer. Remember Japan could prosecute a full invasion of south east asia even after getting sanctioned +--- 57854934 +>>57854775 +> They literally just sit there and sit on an island asking China to fuck off. +You’re a fucking retard and don’t know shit. +--- 57854958 +>>57854737 + +"I may be an asshole but I'm not a 100% dick." +--- 57854980 +>>57852332 (OP) +Isolating them from technology, energy and food supply would be enough to destroy them, wouldn't be good for US and world but much better than all out war or nuke exchange. +--- 57854987 +Invading China sounds completely retarded, like attempting to invade the USA + +nothing would make it worthwhile. +--- 57855007 +>>57853627 +>PLAN successfully projecting beyond its own borders in a global conflict +Thats a wild fantasy novel you're writing +--- 57855027 +>>57852332 (OP) +>The Korean war 2.0 is playing out with large formations of Chinese and American troops in support of whatever Koreans are left on either side. Seoul is an irradiated wasteland. All that's left are the Chinese mainland and the North Koreans. Iran is sitting this one out due to civil unrest. +North Korean brass literally joke about the war with the south never coming. There is exactly zero desire with conflict with the south, meanwhile China literally tried to have Kim Un killed in a quiet coup that resulted in several of his family members dead (some of whom China was backing lol). +--- 57855051 +Why even invade China, seems like too much of a "mainland invasion of Japan" sort of situation to be truly considered. +Why not just take the "nuclear option" and fully blockade it from the SEA straits or from the shore if naval supremacy has been attained. +--- 57855061 +>>57854898 +You know, China's biggest flaw is having this belief about every single chinese being expendable in order to achieve the great leader's goals "for the greater good", it's only when you learn to appreciate the individual when true prosperity can be achieve, because ultimately it's the individuals, however flawed and easy to corrupt, the ones who made a society, not the other way around. + + +>>57854934 +Why don't you run a poll with taiwanese people? Let's see what they think about becoming part of China. +--- 57855127 +>>57853627 +Imagine the CCP council making a PPT presentation about how the war in Taiwan is going when suddenly the audio systems are hacked and they hear the most fearsome thing ever: + +>GOOD MORNING SIRS! +--- 57855150 +>>57855051 + +A lot of Chinese just under half are very anti-CCP + +because of one man, millions were barricaded in their homes for 3 years with no work, no means of living, no food and even when the building was on fire. many died starving but this is routine for communists. where they go, mass death and ruination follow + +covid really opened the eyes of the chinese people, that's why there is so much less shilling nowadays by chink idiots and also the government apparatus is visibly scared in their propaganda +--- 57855352 +>>57852332 (OP) +>Invading a nuclear power. +>Get glassed from this plant +>Fuck around and find out lmao +--- 57855402 +>>57852332 (OP) +>Would we invade at all? +whatever for? if they start a war: just bomb and starve them until they start behaving +--- 57855473 +>>57855127 +what the fuck is wrong with india +--- 57855477 +>>57852332 (OP) +>2027 +>Russia still being a threat to anyone +>Russia still even existing +If you're going to larp or shitpost, at least make it believable. +--- 57855487 +>>57855477 +Ukraine vs Russia war will last 4 years +--- 57855493 +That map is unrealistic. An invasion into China from India, especially northwest India, isn't happening. You're forgetting the borders are mountainous. + +A land invasion into China is only geographically realistic from Myanmar and Vietnam. +--- 57855512 +>>57855061 +>Switched to shitposting because he ran out of dumb arguments +lmao +--- 57855519 +>>57852332 (OP) +do people even live close to the nepalese border? it's all mountains and plateaus several km above sea level, it must be miserable beyond belief +--- 57855545 +>>57852332 (OP) +>How would this play out? + +Your fantasy is so stupid I suggest adding ponies and Warhammer characters. That you didn't instantly implode from shame at the idea of sharing it says a lot about you and nothing good. + +It's so stupid it's not even cool fun fantasy. It's a singularity of duh. +--- 57855554 +>>57853627 +>Your mind on Ching Chong +--- 57855567 +>>57854067 +>If the entire world sanctioned the US then lower class people wouldnt be able to afford eggs and beef, +Honestly they still would. Basic food products are so abundant in the US that they could feed the entire world if they wanted to and used their land efficiently, ie. onions and corn instead of McGregor's 5800 acre organic beef farm. +--- 57855641 +>>57855487 +What is your point..? +--- 57857672 +>>57855127 +>2023 same population +>2030 (prediction) doubling the gap +In just 8 years. +--- 57857688 +>>57857672 +*2022 +--- 57857722 +>>57855567 +Then why is food getting more expensive in America while staying the same in china? +--- 57857775 +>>57855150 +>A lot of Chinese just under half are very anti-CCP +What kind of propaganda bubble you live in? American probably. Reminder that the great firewall of china exists for YOUR protection + +>>57854727 +>Chinese maritime containment. +Chinese warships surround Taïwan and police strait traffic while the US navy ran away as they always do +--- 57859145 +>>57852332 (OP) +Imagine Vietnam, Korea or Operation Downfall but with a terrain 50x larger, with mountains (deathtraps) and cities (deathtraps) to clear and against a military at 0.75% the capability of USA and armed with a fully functioning nuclear triad including HGV's. + +Retard. + +>>57857688 +Churchill was right, they breed like cockroaches. + +If America was clever it would do an Iran vs Iraq, or Ukraine vs Russia. Arm both sides (covertly/overtly) and force India and China to slug it out for a decade before pacifying both countries and installing favourable rulers. +--- 57859275 +>>57852955 +China does not have the manpower to face off against the world. It only has enough to make it difficult. +--- 57859291 +>>57855473 +Democracy is unable to stop subhumans breeding. +--- 57859479 +>>57855061 +>Why don't you run a poll with taiwanese people? Let's see what they think about becoming part of China. +are you actually retarded or do you not understand Taiwan is full of US SIGINT and HUMINT TODAY and the US had nuclear weapons on Taiwan pointed at China until the 72? +Do you know who came up with the Taiwan ADIZ? THE US. +--- 57859536 +>>57857775 +Lmao +--- 57859560 +>>57852955 +This plan ends in the Chinese firing off their nuclear arsenal in a coutner-value strike just to spite everybody. Probably after building a couple hundred extra warheads and missiles beforehand. + +You don't play stupid fuck-fuck games like trying to starve a nuclear power to death without winning some astonishingly stupid prizes for it. +--- 57860023 +no smartie pants plans ITT +--- 57860045 +>>57859560 +>MUH NUKES +kek chang melty +--- 57860048 +>>57857775 +>Reminder that the great firewall of china exists for YOUR protection +more like our sanity, I wish India would follow china's lead and keep all of their citizens in a little propagandized bubble +--- 57860313 +>>57852332 (OP) +everyone forgets the chinks have about 50M minorities to eat before they start starving +--- 57860427 +>>57859560 +Call me when china can even hit the same city they're aiming at. +--- 57860467 +>>57860313 +50m minorities +30 million living in caves +countless undocumented bastards of the One Child Policy + +Honestly these people are more likely to take over china than be eaten by it, Most have never been in a school or received anything but violence from the party. + +Regular Han fucking suck as fighting. If the splinter-chinese who have been living in caves for the last hundred years show up and start rampaging, most chinese will just stand there staring like cattle while they're killed, we've all seen how they react in rekt footage. +--- 57860484 +>>57857722 +Staying the same? You niggers literally just reopened communal rice halls. You know, those things that worked out so well for you last time? + +The Chinese consume ten million gallons of sewer-oil a year. +--- 57860606 +>>57857775 +the wall is not to keep Chinese citizens from accessing Western media. It's to keep the West from accessing Chinese internal eco system. +Ask yourself: is it easier to access the outside internet from within China or is it easier to access Chinese service from outside? +The former is piss easy, even a child can do it. Now the second, even the glow niggers in Langley cannot reliably do it. +That's how most of the "top secret" leaky of Chinese amunition/armor spec "leaks" are just literal screencap of what they show on TV regularly. +You may ask then why don't sexpats in China make a living by "leaking" these shit regularly? +It's simple they cannot understand Chinese LMAO. Even if they have lived there for 20 years. +--- 57860736 +>>57854319 +Russia can provide both fertilizer, food and fuel and coal to China. And Russia is the biggest producer of all of those at different times. +Which is why friendly relations with Russia is of such importance to China. Friendly Russia completelly covers Northern flank of China, allowing them to concentrate resources on the East and South. To this end China is even Ok if Russia is influential in Central Asia, because Stable Central Asia provides safe Western flank for China, allowing them to not bother covering this flank. + +Whatever idea of "Owning" or "Dealing with" China you have - China knows about it for decades and prepared for it. How do they know about it? Because Chinese can read English and they can read Americans bragging about "blockading China and starving China". And so Chinese prepared for that. + +But whats funny is that you don't know how China can deal with you - because you don't know Chinese and Chinese are not dumb enough to tell you about their plans in English. So fuck around and find out. +--- 57860879 +>>57859560 + +This + +The obvious solution is a First Strike in China. +--- 57860894 +>>57860736 +>If you block of the vast majority of China's trade they'll just instantly pivot their entire economy lol +This is how people think when their only experience with conflict or business is in video games. +--- 57861536 +>>57860894 +touche'. How's that trade war going? Easy to win? +>i buy at walmart. therefore, walmart is dependent on me +lol +lmao even +--- 57861573 +>>57861536 +>How's that trade war going? Easy to win? +which one? none of them impact me personally +--- 57862931 +>>57861573 +>none of them impact me personally +if you live in the US it certainly impacts you. +--- 57863006 +Just hit them with the same sanctions used on Russia. China is so resource dependent it would collapse. Mongola, Tibet, Vietnam, Korea, Kazakhstan, Kyrgzstan Myanmar and Russia can all claim clay. The rest of china is broken up into separate regions. +--- 57863589 +>>57860894 +China has several years worth of grain stored. That buys them plenty of time. +--- 57863836 +>>57852955 +Where did this stupid fucking meme come from? Do people even bother to think through the shit they here propagandists say? + + +China produced 25% of world grain and only has about 20% of the world population. It is a major rice exporter. A little over a decade ago China didn't import any better cereal crops. + +>But YouTubers, Tucker, and /pol/ talk about their food sufficiency falling to 67% from 94% in 2000. They have sources and graphs. + +And those sources are correct, but you have to know what those figures mean. They are about the share of food/feed for final consumption in China. + +China didn't loose tons of arable land or forget how to farm over the last two decades. What happened is that food grown in China got relatively more expensive due to gains in foreign productivity and because wages rose dramatically. Since more Chinese can work in non-farming jobs, wages need to be higher to get labor. Chinese land, overall, is also not a fertile as that of other major food exporters. + +So China imports more because it is cheaper. Chinese farming decreased due to competition but could be restarted in a war, and they still make 95% of their own cereals and are net exporting calories from cereals. + +The ratios aren't about calories, what keeps people alive, but in $ amounts. China got richer and eats way, way more meat and out of season fresh produce. This is significantly more expensive and also is more likely to be imports (either meat itself or the feed). + +China can and does produce enough calories to keep their population alive. Currently they are getting more obese. 42% of adults there are overweight or obese now. + +Losing imports would cause high prices and force people to eat differently and even likely actual hunger problems in some regions (more to food be rerouted to rich Han areas from minority areas realistically) but some huge % or even a % dying of starvation is fucking retarded. +--- 57863894 +>>57852332 (OP) +>2027 +This is cope. You have until June. +--- 57863903 +>>57852332 (OP) +to be honest,the best way to cripple infrastructure would be to send a F35 squadron to the three gorges dam and send some trollage their way + +if China is gonna have any anti air presence in that area (likely) its possibly still easilly disrupted by a E/A-18 growler or more f35's specced for AG operations +--- 57863905 +>>57853473 +China has high food self sufficiency rate than the US until the mid-2000s. + +China has higher food self sufficiency than some wealthier nations, e.g. the UK, Japan. + +It is eating way, way more meat now and way, way more oil. They're wouldn't starve without exports, they would just go back to eating meat occasionally, stop frying shit, and get unfat. + +A funny thing about food supply is that it increases health and life expectancy at first, moving up from low levels, peaks, and then begins making people less healthy as food becomes relatively more affordable. +--- 57863926 +>>57863905 +true,that is funny OP,dosage is important for anything +--- 57863973 +So what's going to happen to Ukraine after we pivot to Taiwan? More importantly, what's going to happen to the ukrainian shill farms that police nu-/k/? +--- 57863986 +>>57860736 +>and Chinese are not dumb enough to tell you about their plans in English +lmao, they tell us their plans all the time +--- 57864144 +>>57852332 (OP) +>How would this play out? +Establish a naval blockade preventing even food items to be delivered to them. They'll starve by the dozens of millions and probably start eating each other within 6 months. Negotiate with them and demand a total surrender of their nuclear capabilities and assets, along with complete demilitarization of their conventional forces or their entire population will be starved to death. +--- 57864230 +>>57863905 +China just reopened communal rice halls (yknow, those helped out so much last time) and the Chinese consume over ten million gallons of sewage oil every year. +--- 57864316 +>>57863903 +The three gorges dam is like 1000 miles away from Okinawa. I get that F-35 is "stealth" but I don't think they make it there with a E/A-18 in tow. +--- 57864334 +>>57864316 +Obviously,thats why its not the prime objective,i said this with forward operating bases and like with troops and land already taken. + +obviously a strike from taiwan to the 3 gorges dam would not be possible... +--- 57865005 +>>57852332 (OP) +More interesting is how would you defend China with a 3 front war in the west, south, and east. Assume Russia is neutral. How do you defend yourself from the pajeets in the himalayas, japs in the east, and americans in the east and south? No nukes for either side. Assume south korea is preoccupied with an invasion in north korea, but they may break through and invade the Northeast. + +The biggest issue is the pajeets in the west. I don't see any easy way of neutralizing them just because there's so many of them and you may need to go deep into India. If the western front has a quick end, maybe with China settling borders in India's favor, the defense in the east would be much easier. The northeast is chill because of how the borders are drawn. +--- 57865118 +>>57865005 +>Assume south korea is preoccupied with an invasion in north korea +It's never going to happen. The north is completely disinterested in renewing that conflict, it's all just for show. +--- 57865204 +>>57865005 +>Assume Russia is neutral. +Based retard. +--- 57865223 +>>57852332 (OP) +Realistically, I highly doubt we would ever put boots on the ground aside from special forces strikes or whatever, maybe outlying islands, but China just has too many fucking people and is too big to invade and subdue. Much more likely that we would interdict trade in the Indian Ocean and maybe tit for tat strike at fuel storage and the nascent Russian pipeline infrastructure if they attacked US bases during a Taiwan invasion. China's fuel supply is all imported and almost all of it comes through the Indian Ocean. + +>>57854166 +China is not food secure when you consider agricultural inputs. We build the machines that Chinese use to make most cheap Chinese shit. Loss of China's manufacturing base would be temporarily painful but it is absolute pure hopium to think it would actually cause a societal breakdown rather than a few years of heightened inflation and general economic malaise as supply chains readjust. Loss of foreign capital, foreign export markets and large portions of the global agricultural and energy markets would cause far, far more economic pain to China than what China is even capable of inflicting on the collective west or USA alone. +--- 57865244 +>>57865223 +>China's fuel supply is all imported +implessive +--- 57865245 +>>57865005 +>defend yourself from the pajeets in the himalayas +Logistics constraints +>japs in the east +It'd be fun watching the Japanese parliament justifying amphibious landing capacities for the SDF +>and americans in the east and south? +America has never conducted an amphibious assault against the mainland of a country with a comparable navy. Truth is, landing spots aren't exactly dime a dozen. +--- 57865342 +>>57864144 +Based retard +--- 57865659 +>>57863894 +What's the implication here? Joe Biden dies and NATO vanishes along with him? +--- 57865789 +>>57865659 +China interfered in the 2020 election so that the demented retard would be left unprepared for their summer 2023 Taiwan invasion. +--- 57865910 +Umm... The year is 2023, NATO is not at war with China, and no open conflict between it and Russia. Putin still rules over Russia, the oligarchs are still in control, Taiwan has not been invaded, WAY more than 100k Chinese have died, and Seoul is doing just fine. +Fucking dumbass. +--- 57866611 +>>57860736 +>russia can provide fertilizer, food, fuel, and coal +i have some bad news for you. +https://delano.lu/article/russia-depends-on-western-tech +like i said, russia is currently undergoing its own crisis. its demographics is shit with constant brain drain because nobody competent wants to live in a mafia state, and its geography is just unfortunate, with most land being inhospitable and the hospitable land being flatlands that are a security threat. then just consider the maintenance, technology, and manpower needed to hoist/pipeline gas, coal, fertilizer, food to at eastern china from siberia which is closest to china. +And thats not even considering the ukraine war yet, where theyved gotten tens of thousands of their everyday civilians killed, with many more running from conscription, further destroying local expertise. And then there's the sanction on western tech which russia actually needs to keep their manufacturing and energy processing and production industry running. + +>chinese are not dumb enough +chinese don't have to be stupid. they're running their system stupidly because its a one man state under Xi where he purged everyone competent who could be a threat to his power. not to mention that nobody brings him any bad news because they're scared. Again, this is the same china that claimed they destroyed COVID as soon as western journalists left, created a shit vaccine that no other countries wanted, and then surprise surprise beijing now has a pandemic, xi calls for complete lockdown and millions lose work and savings, not only that but because of the lack of natural immunity because of tight lockdowns and the shit vaccines, doctors were overwhelmed. +--- 57866981 +>>57864230 +US operates soup kitchen and eat themselves to insulin induced death. What’s your point? +--- 57866988 +>>57865223 +> We build the machines that Chinese use to make most cheap Chinese shit. +You’re a fucking moron who’s never looked up the CAPITAL GOODS chinese import category. +--- 57867232 +>>57866981 +Soup kitchens havent +1. put local businesses out of business +2. Appeared before massive turmoil and failed at their one job so spectacularly even the most loyal patriots cringe at their very mention + +Funny that you equate low quality unhealthy food to the actual sewage being used by the millions of gallons to cook in China. +--- 57867242 +>>57865245 +>America has never conducted an amphibious assault against the mainland of a country with a comparable navy. +And considering no comparable navy exists, this trend will continue regardless of who we go to war with. +--- 57867245 +>>57866611 + +the shit Chinese vaccines is exactly the tell that Chinese weapons will be shit + +they are producing both things in a vacuum with whatever they can copy or steal, and the people who do this never have to take any responsibility for it +--- 57867312 +>>57867245 +>t. a fucking moron +--- 57867631 +>dude just eat only rice for years dude we're self sufficient in food +--- 57867696 +>>57867312 + +You will always be subhuman, chink. +--- 57868269 +>>57867696 +>a room temp iq poverty mutt calling anybody subhuman +KEK +E +K + +the irony is so thick you can cut it with a knife. +--- 57868279 +>>57852332 (OP) +Threaten to Bomb the Three Gorges dam if China doesn't surrender. + +Win. +--- 57868761 +>>57852332 (OP) +It makes no sense to attempt a ground invasion. Instead, the smart play is to cut off china's sea access, cruise missile its fuel stockpiles, pipelines and railroads from russia, then wait two years and watch as they eat each other because their agricultural sector can't produce without fuel to run all the machines. + +Also if you think that the chinese fleet can keep its supply routes open, you're delusional. Their navy is built for local force projection, and can only carry out small missions further out from their bases. Tankers moving fuel to china from oil-producing nations need to travel vast distances in the open seas where they are trivially easy targets. To keep them secure they'd need to escort them the whole way for which they haven't got enough warships; whereas any interdictors can drop off a boarding parties on multiple vessels a day, and that's if they're not willing to accept an oil spill and simply missile the damned things. Once it's clearly demonstrated to the tanker operators that their vessels WILL get seized or sunk if they move fuel to china, they'll stop on their own; you can't make a profit when all your ships are under arrest at port. +--- 57872206 +>>57868269 +No gun no opinion post gun +--- 57872344 +>>57867245 +>>57867696 +>>57872206 +Please take more mRNA vax, please be a good guineas pig. + +>>57868761 +I'm sure a fleet of outdated 30yr old ships can blockade the largest fleet of modern warships of the world. You american have qing dynasty tier delusion +--- 57873183 +>>57872344 +>PLAN is better than USN copium +post aircraft carriers lmfao. +But, lets even humor your copium for a second and pretend that the USN cant blockade china. it doesnt even have to blockade chinese ports lmao. +like i said, chinese southeast neighbours (vietnam, indonesia, philippines, malaysia, singapore, japan, SK, australia) arent too fond of china. they will patrol their own sea lanes and enforce chinese sanctions because china treats all its neighbours like shit. +all america has to do is park a carrier group in the persian gulf and the red sea, and there goes iranian and arabic oil. you can figure out what happens then. +--- 57873232 +>>57873183 +post missile defense system capable of intercepting maneuvering HGVs + +t. not even him diff --git a/k/57853262.txt b/k/57853262.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..598530e5ff481fb7cecd31989b1a6ce28ca40855 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57853262.txt @@ -0,0 +1,433 @@ +----- +--- 57853262 +How would a woman conceal a handgun or knife in a dress that is almost totally skintight? + +I’m writing a scene where a woman needs to infiltrate some kind of fancy dress party +--- 57853286 +>>57853262 (OP) +--- 57853310 +>>57853262 (OP) +anything you can write about women wouldn't be realistic so I wouldn't worry so much about it +--- 57853332 +vagoo +--- 57853384 +>>57853262 (OP) +--- 57853392 +>>57853262 (OP) +Cooter Carry +--- 57853401 +>>57853262 (OP) +classic pocket pistol in a thigh strap +--- 57853409 +>>57853262 (OP) +slide the barrel up the vagene, that was she has easy access to the handle and he can do a quickdraw. +If anyone asks about the bulge just call them a transphobe. +--- 57853410 +>>57853310 +It was an actual plot point in this movie that Bond acquired a backwards-firing gun from Q and gave it to his love interest, knowing that women are so useless, she would be disarmed immediately when confronted and the bad guy who took her gun would then inadvertently kill himself trying to operate it +--- 57853438 +>>57853286 +Has anyone asked the ATF what that would be classified as? If not, I might ask +--- 57853556 +>>57853262 (OP) +They have an extra pocket for a reason +--- 57853710 +>>57853262 (OP) +If her boobs were big enough presumably she could hide a small pistol in the space under one +--- 57853777 +>>57853262 (OP) +In her gaping cavernous vagina +--- 57853787 +>>57853710 +Imagine how sweaty it would get, underneath those heaving breasts... +--- 57853877 +>>57853710 +Are large breasts a tactical advantage in this case? +--- 57853885 +>>57853401 +Even easier, handbag. Depending on the bag you might even be able to carry something full-sized. +--- 57853887 +>>57853262 (OP) +In the dress itself. A hidden pocket in a flow area. Also, her hair if done correctly can hide a fucking RPG damned near. Hair accoutrements can easily be hidden weapons especially if disassembled. Platform shoes can also hide significant weaponry. You can also go with certain materials that when dry move with the fabric or move as fabric but once wet, become rigid carbon blades. We haven't even gotten into jewelry that can administer poisons, deadly toxin dart guns disguised as bracelets or necklace, daggers hidden as high heels or even an elegant high heel that's actually a small caliber pistol.. Shit, that's with me pretty drunk, tired and off the top of my head... +--- 57853899 +>>57853262 (OP) +If she has help she could have hidden it inside the establishment beforehand? +--- 57853939 +>>57853438 +Is.. is it a stock? +--- 57853953 +Idk how fiction/sci-fi/realistic is has to be, but maybe one of the heels on her shoes is secretly a single shot 22 or something that can be detached and fired. +--- 57853956 +>>57853286 +round base butt plugs suck +you want the thinner base that fits between the cheeks, much more comfortable and better for long term wear. +--- 57853978 +>>57853262 (OP) +Jill Bearup literally has a video about this exact thing +--- 57853980 +OP here, thanks for the ideas. Any suggestions for a small compact handgun? +--- 57853989 +>>57853956 +true but it only really matters with the larger sizes, beginner plugs are fine with the round base +--- 57853996 +>>57853262 (OP) +How does that stay on without something snagging on and ripping it off? How do women do it +--- 57854013 +>>57853978 +correction, she has several videos about this + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ5Z6awBSb8 [Embed] +https://youtu.be/pcEUSRAFi9w [Embed] +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDUps4lW07s [Embed] +--- 57854103 +>>57853262 (OP) +Realistically? She wouldn’t. She’d wear something specifically so that she could conceal something. +Unrealistically? +Cooter carry +--- 57854116 +>>57853996 +I feel bad for women that high heels are a thing. +Hell there's been times I've pained my ankle in the street wearing my boots just stepping wrong. +--- 57854133 +>>57854103 +Cooter carry can easily fit large objects. Siswet could conceal a SEAL team. Moids are basically hollow hence their ability to hold large litters and birth them at full auto. +--- 57854142 +>>57853989 +depends how fat your ass is +--- 57854182 +>>57853262 (OP) +--- 57854212 +>>57854116 +Heels accentuate the lumbar curve. Looking more enjoyable to fuck is prerogative number one and is worth any price. + +It is astonishing though that women aren’t walking around with their ankles in casts 24/7. +--- 57854393 +>>57853996 +>How does that stay on without something snagging on and ripping it off? +The train is gathered up when she's not on the red carpet, she just needs to bunch it in one hand when standing up from her table when going up to collect her award. There are ushers who will help too and she might have an assistant designated for it. + +For how it stays on generally, it might well be sewn shut but even if not, the top is glued to her breasts, either by liquid glue or transparent double-sided tape designed for the purpose. +That's how all those premiere dresses avoid wardrobe malfunctions when otherwise they'd be falling off breasts left and right. +Tape and glue are a big part of the dressing room when professional fashion dressers prepare their clients. + +Same thing for runway shows, music videos and similar stuff obviously. +--- 57854598 +>>57853262 (OP) +have her steal a weapon with her distractions +or you know, have her plant it before hand +or have an accomplice simp take all the risk and give it to her +or have her rip her dress off because it can turn rigid with a chemical or electrical current +or have her smuggle it drug mule style. bonus points for using the same condom in a sex scene +--- 57854611 +>>57853262 (OP) +Early 20th century woman would order special hairpins made out of spring steel that were reaaaallly sharp on the end. Also, they carried muffs. And they carried tiny handguns like the baby Browning in their muffs, and these were called muff guns. Stop giggling. +--- 57854621 +>>57854182 +is that a bottle opener on the heel? +--- 57854664 +>>57853262 (OP) +In between flaps of fat. +--- 57855052 +Pretend to be pregnant and hide an arsenal of weapons inside their prosthetic pregnant belly. +--- 57855076 +Something real small, tucked up by the goods. +--- 57855109 +>>57853401 +Look at the picture in the OP more closely. There is no place on either of her thighs that wouldn't be visible from some angle when she moves. +--- 57855118 +>>57855052 +Congratulations, it’s an IED! Now just let me cut the cord… +--- 57855119 +>>57853980 +Derringers are the classic for the role. +--- 57855147 +>>57853262 (OP) +Inside natures pocket. You'd probably want to wrap the gun up in something waterproof (it can get kind of gooey up in there, and you don't want to ruin the finish or gunk up the action) which would slow the draw down even more. The only other option would be to strap it to the side of her face, which might not be 'concealed' technically, but I guarantee you that almost nobody is going to see the gun while she's dressed like that. +--- 57855260 +>>57855109 +What do you mean? Are you talking about the vent on the back of her skirt? Those aren't as open as in that picture during normal wear. +--- 57855416 +>>57855260 +Are you saying it magically sews itself when nobody is taking a picture? +--- 57855612 +>>57855416 +Nevermind, I thought you were talking about the girl wearing the pencil skirt showing off the thigh holster for some reason. +--- 57855659 +>>57853262 (OP) +in her wig. +--- 57855910 +If you have big enough assets you can hide quite a bit of gear in the underboob region. +--- 57856220 +>>57853409 +>and he can do a quickdraw + +E.G.: +https://youtu.be/4tk8rlh9oeA [Embed] +--- 57856258 +>>57856250 +is that may marmalade? +--- 57856325 +>>57853777 +Tried and true. +--- 57856357 +You know how, you're just afraid to say it +--- 57856378 +>>57853262 (OP) +She wouldn't. +The point of women's dress is that she's harmless, often hampered by her own clothes and mostly naked so she can't conceal anything and is at mercy of guys around her. +--- 57856546 +>>57854133 +>hold large litters and birth them at full auto. + +Kek, made me laugh +--- 57856553 +>>57853286 +Am I seeing this correctly? +>clench ass +>gun fires +--- 57856559 +>>57854133 +Hey also, moid is the term femcels (self-described) use for men. It derives from “foid”, which is what the blackpillosphere uses for women. The femcels stole the term because they are women and thus unoriginal and can’t meme kek. + +Female humanoid organism > femoid > foid +--- 57856605 +>>57853262 (OP) +I can conceal my dick inside a woman, and it's a pretty big caliber, so I'm pretty sure a woman can hide quite a lot of hardware on account of women being whores. +--- 57856819 +>>57856605 +>>57853262 (OP) +There are women who can literally birth twins simultaneously. +There are women who can take two liter bottles with room to spare for a hand. +--- 57858142 +>>57854182 +picrel + +>>57853980 +derringers are probably the most concealable, although if it has to be an automatic I'd say something like the beretta tomcat or other subcompact pocket guns +--- 57858415 +>>57853262 (OP) +Hairpin dagger. +--- 57858429 +>>57853980 +--- 57858435 +>>57853438 +Wouldn't it be an AOW like penguns, watch guns, lighter guns, and other retarded spyshit? +--- 57858451 +>>57853877 +Large breasts are always a tactical advantage +--- 57858592 +Neck collar that is also a holster with a snub-nosed revolver or any other tiny guns, then cover the back with thick black hair or better hair colour that matches the gun and holster lol +--- 57858612 +>>57858592 +>neck collar +*choker +--- 57858665 +>>57858612 +I hardly knew her... +--- 57858709 +>>57858451 +Yes +--- 57858759 +>>57853262 (OP) +make in modern day, she can pretend to be a dyke and wear a suit +--- 57858804 +>>57853262 (OP) +>ctrl+f “purse” +>nothing + +??? + +Didn’t Scaramanga have a gun made from like a lighter and a pen? +--- 57858824 +>>57853286 +truly a tool for an assassin +--- 57858832 +>>57853262 (OP) +non metallic blade hidden inside the shoe +--- 57858865 +>>57853262 (OP) +The real answer would be to just not wear a dress that make concealed carry difficult. If she has an accomplice that can pose as busboy or kitchen staff, the weapon could simply brought in before hand and stashed somewhere. +--- 57858877 +>>57855118 +>"Congratulations, it’s an IED! Now just let me cut the cord…" +>"Uhh, doctor, there are three cords..." +>"Damn it! Which one do we need to cut?!" +--- 57858881 +>>57853262 (OP) +What kind of scene/story are you writing for? Like presumably it is something semi-realistic and set in a modern day type of era? +--- 57858887 +>>57858804 +Someone used the term "handbag" instead of purse. +--- 57858907 +Make her a gypsy Romani, and she can carry full tactical gear inside her skirt. +--- 57858936 +>>57858907 +>and she can carry full tactical gear inside her skirt. +thats not going to remain undetected in a security search +--- 57858954 +>>57858936 +>searching through gypsy woman's dress +See you in court, bigot. +--- 57858960 +>>57858907 +And then she gets kicked out because Euros hate gypsies (for good reason) +--- 57858990 +>>57858539 +>dude is that like a 9mm audio jack damn you must be a real audiophile. You like Steely Dan dude? +--- 57859004 +>>57853956 +>>57853989 +--- 57859016 +>>57858709 +--- 57859050 +>>57854133 +Ban fully automatic assault roasties +--- 57859085 +>>57853262 (OP) + +By putting it up her vagina. +--- 57859115 +>>57859085 +What if she hides a fully-armed commando midget up ger vagina, then goes into the bathroom to birth him, from there he gets into the vents to further infiltrate the building. +--- 57859231 +>>57853262 (OP) +- belt buckle gun like the SS did +- small derringer in a condom up her vagoo +- voluminous hair in a bun with small gun inside +--- 57859811 +Have chinese hair pins that are actually daggers +--- 57859888 +>>57859811 +weeb +--- 57860236 +>>57853410 +That's a parody movie +--- 57860334 +>>57853262 (OP) +Why do women dress like whores? +--- 57860737 +>>57860334 +ask yer mum +--- 57860897 +>>57860737 +I can't she's sleeping she works 11pm to 6am or at least thats what she says but sometimes I see her just standing on the corner taking a smoke so IDK +--- 57860933 +>>57853262 (OP) +Belly band small of back holster +--- 57860953 +>>57853410 +Peter sellers and woody allen did a bond movie? How the fuck did I not know about this. +--- 57861286 +>>57855109 +Hot +--- 57861365 +>>57856378 +You can absolutely carry a gun in most dresses. Don't ask me how I know. +--- 57861488 +>>57861365 +I don't need to. You wear dresses. +--- 57861504 +>>57861365 +What kind of dresses do you wear and what kind of guns can you conceal in them anon? +--- 57861578 +>>57859004 +you are on /k/ friend +get used to it +--- 57861599 +>>57861488 +Damn, you got me +>>57861504 +I like pinafores and sundresses and they're both extremely easy to carry and conceal in with an enigma +--- 57861626 +>>57861504 +>>57861599 +Oh right, what kinds of guns. I usually carry a microcompact but you can definitely get away with sub/compacts or even full size handguns depending on the dress style. A lot of dresses are designed to flare out to make hips look wider so it's easy to hide stuff under them. +--- 57861990 +>>57854621 +yes, my friend had a pair of shoes like this. they're for strippers, and it's a fun way to help customers open their bottles +--- 57862015 +>>57858435 +nigger what do you think +--- 57862021 +>>57861504 +Not that anon, but your reminder that skirts with a petticoat to get them a bit of floofiness are the ultimate concealed carry garment. With traditional pockets, that were just a hole, you can conceal pretty much anything that isn't longer than the skirt. +--- 57862027 +Why is she leaving the house without a male relative? +--- 57863222 +>>57853262 (OP) +corset +--- 57863830 +>>57853262 (OP) +--- 57863980 +>>57853980 +snub nose revolver +--- 57864007 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kOIAOC-t2o [Embed] +--- 57864034 +>>57853262 (OP) +--- 57864299 +>>57853262 (OP) +in her vag +--- 57865212 +>>57858539 +if laptops werent 90% shitty macbook airs, you could have a laptop gun +--- 57865271 +>>57855961 +Viet and Korean girls in LA will keep razor blades in their hair when they go out clubbing. +--- 57865324 +>>57859888 +thats just been a thing before that anime got popular. +before anime, period. +--- 57865939 +>>57865271 +Uh...*sniff* based? +--- 57865988 +>>57864034 +Really fucking disappointed I had to scroll this far to see it. +--- 57866815 +>>57865271 +Gillette? +--- 57866866 +>>57855961 +Unironically, this could work in a serious way with those tempered glass chopsticks; you've probably seen the style. Snap one at the right angle and you've got a pretty sharp edge. +--- 57867031 +>>57853262 (OP) +Do what Asian women in movies do and have her hair be held up with those Ling metal pins/spikes. Could be called fashionable without immediately seeming like a weapon. If you want a gun the answer is simple: she planted inside beforehand. +--- 57867041 +>>57867031 +Long, not Ling + +>t filthy phone poster +--- 57867108 +Dragon magazine had an issue with espionage (I forgot which issue). + +They disassembled a crossbow and blended the parts into a party costume. Players could then sneak the crossbow into a gala event and reassemble it for an assassination or a hit. + +So if you're okay with taking apart the gun, you could hide the individual parts as components of the dress, or as jewelry. Have a badass scene where the character quickly reassembled the weapon for immediate use. +--- 57867789 +>>57853939 +A buttstock +--- 57867960 +>>57853262 (OP) +Might be able to stash a browning 25acp somewhere depending on the dress, or a deringer +--- 57868016 +>>57853262 (OP) +You could do something like the golden gun where the gun is disassembled into her jewlery or part of her high heels or something. +--- 57869377 +Get a flat-chested lady to wear a padded bra that has a hand grenade hidden in each cup +--- 57869405 +>>57853262 (OP) +CIA has a manual on how to put it in your butthole +--- 57869460 +>>57867108 +Dragon magazine? As in D&D? +Don't crossbows suck in D&D? Because that shit is caster faggotry dicksucking. +--- 57870705 +>>57869460 +Crossbows aren't any worse than other weapons in D&D. They have shorter range than bows but better damage dice. In the last 5e campaign I ran, I nearly wiped my party by ambushing them with 20+ heavy crossbowmen in the woods. +--- 57870725 +>>57865271 +nigger this was done in the 90's nobody does this ghetto shit anymore. +--- 57870949 +>>57853262 (OP) +At that point why doesn’t she just walk out naked? diff --git a/k/57853269.txt b/k/57853269.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..2d0e31cfae7b307362a7f292e40e41b36bdf2a39 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57853269.txt @@ -0,0 +1,1183 @@ +----- +--- 57853269 +Has the war in Ukraine retroactively froze any attempts at Taiwan? China always viewed Russia as the muscle in the relationship, who would grind down the west while China blitzed the Pacific. But now that their faithful second has proven themselves completely helpless in the face of a real war, how can China comfortably push the button on WW3? It would be like pulling a ball and chain. +--- 57853319 +China will probably keep Taiwan in their pocket up until they desperately need an external enemy to quell internal strife. I doubt the top ching chongs wanted to take such a risk any time soon anyway. +--- 57853369 +>>57853269 (OP) +>Retroactively +You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means. +I understand your point though +Hard to say, rationally yes this should be a wake-up call for China that it is hilariously outgunned by the West +But practically speaking, their may be backroom politics taking precedence over common sense and rationality + +After all, it's not like the Chinese generals are going to make the mistake of their Russian counterparts and operate within firing distance of the enemy. They might be making the sociopathic calculation that the deaths of hundreds of thousands of not millions of Chinese soldiers is worth retaking Taiwan, even if they're outgunned and need to meatgrind for it. +--- 57853402 +>>57853269 (OP) +The answer, according to our resident chinkshill, is that China...is waiting on "the US to be on the table", meaning China only wants to take Taiwan when the US is fully committed to defending it so they can defeat America (and another Coalition of the Willing) and finally seize their destiny. As you might have guessed, our resident chinkshill is retarded. +--- 57853415 +>>57853369 +In a war against the United States itself and not a proxy, no enemy general is operating outside firing distance. +--- 57853499 +>>57853415 +Ehhhh... I mean on paper yes, but the military isn't going to just start lobbing missiles and shells into Chinese cities and military bases without China escalating first. We're not barbaric Russians, it's not worth the civilian blowback to maybe bag a few top brass, unless we can do a surgical strike with extremely high confidence of success. And of course the Chinese generals know we have things like the ninja drone, so they're going to take precautions accordingly + +Again though I would be fairly confident China is going to bluster and then fold, they're intelligent enough (I think) to not actively participate in their own forced demilitarization. We want them to attack right now, so they (hopefully) know better than to fall for the bait. +--- 57853519 +>>57853269 (OP) +The opening phases of Ukraine showed what outdated memes ballistic missiles are, which are a weapon type China heavily relies on for offensive capabilities +--- 57853550 +>>57853519 +How so? +--- 57853577 +>>57853550 +Russian ballistic missiles kept missing +--- 57853589 +>>57853269 (OP) +China freezes any attempts at Taiwan. China fears embarrassment more than anything so they won't do something unless they're 100% sure they can do it, and Taiwan isn't a 100%. Plus it makes them a pariah and that would significantly hurt their globally connected economy +--- 57853600 +>>57853499 +Imagine a world where both China and Russia lay broken before America. Finally the Reds will die and the world will belong to us. +--- 57853621 +>>57853269 (OP) +China is never gonna attempt to retake Taiwan by force. They can only threaten, it's way to risky even in the best case scenario. + +Most likely, China was Taiwan to rejoin willingly and will try to influence the culture of the country in order to make it happen. Threatening military invasion only gives whatever political party a justification for reunification, to prevent a world war. +--- 57853637 +>>57853519 +Anon, just because Russia is a fuck up doesn't mean a weapon system is useless. + +>>57853499 +Taiwan is a nice saberrattle but the smart money would be on cementing the 'Stans as Chinese vassals. +--- 57853800 +>>57853637 +I agree, though personally my dark horse is Vladivostok becoming Chinese as part of some renegotiation that gives Russia weapons and security in exchange for de facto vassal status and land. + +Obviously Russia doesn't want to part with its only major eastern port, but give them another year in the cauldron and they may have no choice. +--- 57853904 +Most definitely. Reminder that Xi literally told Putin he couldn't invade until after the Winter Olympics. Vatniks really like to memory hole that one because it shows just how much of a vassal state Russia is to China. + +I guarantee that China expected the Russian invasion of Ukraine to go much, much better than it actually ended up going and did not expect the West to respond nearly as much as they did. Ukraine was basically a test (for China) to see how the West might respond to a Taiwan invasion, and it certainly did not go the way China had hoped. I mean honestly I don't think anyone expected the US, let alone NATO to stand up for Ukraine the way they did. NATO was seriously on the verge of dying in likely 5-10 years time and the Ukrainian war has completely revived NATO as even cucked countries like Germany are forced to see that Russia was never an ally that you could trust and that you need to actually invest in your military. + +I don't see China actually invading Taiwan now for at least another 5-10 years. I can't imagine the rage the Chinese leadership has to be feeling towards Russia for their ineptitude in Ukraine and how they couldn't even perform their role of keeping NATO occupied. NATO hasn't even felt bothered to send any of its valuable equipment to Ukraine like our jets, naval power or actual soldiers as our Cold War era surplus has been more than a match for Russian military equipment and the Ukrainian soldiers, despite being outnumbered and outgunned in the beginning, were able to stop the Russian push towards Kyiv before any major Western aid, sans very low numbers of Javelins & NLAW's, had arrived. +--- 57853923 +>>57853637 +Ballistic missiles in general have a wide CEP, which is part of the reason the West doesn't use conventionally armed ones much anymore +--- 57854008 +>>57853904 +Is it because of the Olympics or was it just a coincidence because that's around the time the snow starts to clear up? +--- 57854041 +>>57853904 +It's questionable if China will be interested in Taiwan in 5-10 years considering how its current trajectory comes from Xi Jinping's goals and he's 69. +--- 57854056 +>>57854008 + +Russia had wanted to invade much earlier than February but was told "no" by China because of the focus on the Winter Olympics and thus the terrain of Ukraine in late February was very unfavorable for an invasion +--- 57854099 +>>57853904 +Not invading Ukraine would have been the most big brained move Russia could have made, it would have embarrassed the US as Saber raddlers, they could have continued to infiltrate German politics and continued to show that NATO isn't needed anymore. +--- 57854119 +>>57854041 + +Exactly, and that's why I said I can't imagine the hostility and rage Xi's party must be feeling towards Russia for likely completely fucking up China's Taiwan plan. China going through with a Taiwan invasion now would be met with complete disaster, where-as in a world where the Ukrainian invasion went differently, NATO would be too focused with defending Ukraine from a competent Russian military to be able to also protect Taiwan. + +Again though, I really want this point driven home to the Vatniks on this board, it REALLY shows just how China truly thinks of Russia. China does NOT think of Russia as allies, they think of them as pawns, and China wouldn't hesitate for a second to start seizing/demanding Russian territory if they knew Russia became too weak. + +>>57854099 + +Hell, it would've been big brained for Russia if they had just retreated completely from Ukraine after the failed Kyiv invasion and from the shitshow that they had created, took the L, and rebuilt their military for a renewed push in another 10 years. But that would mean Putin wouldn't be the one to take Ukraine, and thus Putin isn't willing to accept such a thing. They could've easily spun it to their citizens as, "See, look, we were winning but it took all of NATO to stop us and now we retreat for now to save our strength" or some bullshit. Now it's far too late for Russia to retreat as the losses its suffered are too great for Putin and his administration to get off easily should he man up and accept responsibility for his fuckup. +--- 57854199 +>>57854119 +Putin really only cares about staying in power and this war will likely keep him in power. Anyone with reformist or democratic thinking has likely left Russia. It's why Putin didn't give a shit that 300000 Russians fled when he announced mobilization. He wanted those people gone. This whole war has been about avoiding a euromaiden in Moscow. +--- 57854531 +>>57854041 +That's precisely why Xi will order the invasion of Taiwan before he croaks. Also which guy is willing to tell him no? He's already purged most of the military and political opponents. Now he's going after his own fellow red nobility that goes out of line. +--- 57854570 +>>57853499 +See, China should do the smart thing and saber rattle when politically expedient while having no actual intention of doing it and ruining their economy by causing foreign businesses to leave. The problem is, Xi is Biden-tier retarded, except Biden has people who ignore his stupid decisions and carry on with business as usual sometimes, Xi just has yesmen. +--- 57854585 +>>57853923 +So in short, the idea that China will just fire 1000 of them at all the US bases and aircraft carriers is retarded? +--- 57854626 +>>57853600 +But who would we be gearing up to destroy then? I feel like its a dog chasing a car situation. What will he do when he catches it? +--- 57854652 +>>57854119 +Wonder if the Chinky Winkies will invade Russia to score points internationally at some point. They probably need to blood their officer and NCO corps +--- 57854731 +>>57854626 +Roman plight I imagine. Once we defeat all known enemies we have a civil war. Or I don't know invade Brazil? They're pretty big I'm sure that'll take a couple years or so. Russia is taking a while with Ukraine so maybe we can stretch it too. We got 20 years outta Afghanistan so Brazil should be better....... Yeah you are right I'm starting to feel existential dread. What does the worlds largest military do when we beat everyone? Do we just become Edo Japan and larp among ourselves for centuries? One of you fuckers get good so we can fight you. +--- 57854749 +>>57853369 +By the way, wasn't China building a dam to block certain people from receiving water? + +And then there is certain rice farmer country who happens to dislike China too. + +I know both indians and vietnamese love to troll americans on many things, but by the end of the day they see USA as their friend and ally (former is tsundere due the whole business with Pakistan, the later is the biggest yangire on the planet), and they will be all too happy to jump on the opportunity to open their own fronts against China if it comes to grip with USA, I can't see the chinese winning that one. +--- 57854752 +>>57853269 (OP) +Russia could easily rebuild and re-arm and continue being the bear that divides the west's attention. And this time without the terrible conditions of only invading with only 200k men because they expected far weaker resistance. Probably wouldn't matter either way, China's in a far better position at having the upper hand at attempting Taiwan than Russia was attempting Ukraine: + +-It would be taking place in their backyard while the US would be strained by the tyranny of distance +-They have a well-trained navy that at this point is in a better state than the US Navy's +-PLAAF training is comparable to USAF training; very likely that they will field thousands of airframes by 2030 +-Their missiles have every US base in range ready to shutdown the moment the shooting begins, adding massive logistical pain +-They have reserves of food and energy that will last them years with rationing at current levels + +For all of this, the only allies the US could count on in the area are token forces provided by Australia and UK. +Unlike with Ukraine Europe is not going to get involved if China decides to invade/blockade Taiwan. +SK isn't getting involved because they have NK to deal with and don't fancy getting glassed themselves. +With Japan it's a toss-up, but given their stagnant economy, overall pacifist population, and shit demographics, it's unlikely they'll want to have their cities destroyed either and their young dying by the thousands. + +Underestimate China at your own peril given the facts above +--- 57854773 +>>57854752 +You should also remind them America still hasn't developed any hypersonic missile. +--- 57854812 +>>57854773 +ICBM's are hypersonic dipshit +--- 57854820 +>>57854812 +no it's not. Don't ever talk this anymore you fuckin clown. +--- 57854838 +>>57854731 +Rome never dealt with the Persians successfully. Or all the Germans. +>>57854626 +Aliens. We're ready to go on to the larger stage, space warfare. +--- 57854844 +>>57854773 +We have had them since the 50s. +--- 57854847 +>>57854585 +Yes +--- 57854907 +>>57854844 +Not HGVs +--- 57854926 +>>57853499 +We put that missile into the correct *seat* of a moving car. I think you could say we're pretty confident in the surgical scale of our abilities. +--- 57854935 +>>57853637 +>the smart money would be on cementing the 'Stans as Chinese vassals. +China cant even reliably cement an apartment floor. +--- 57854937 +>>57854907 +Oh yeah sorry that's actually '60s tech +--- 57855038 +>>57854531 + +The US will arrest Xi's daughter and pass her to the CCP to be tortured and killed. + +Xi won't do shit. He keeps postponing (now 2027) but keeps it alive to keep the PLA hardliners in line, while continuing to purge them +--- 57855055 +>>57854652 + +Invading Russians fight Ukraine half heartedly (the officers never go on assaults and half ass their planning, training and logistics for eg), but they will whole heartedly kill Chinese invaders in the Far East. It will be WW2 tier plus nukes +--- 57855072 +>>57854820 + +ICBMs are Mach 25 so they are. + +you are such a retard chink. hypersonic missiles have been around since 60s, its the steerable, low flying, air breathing types that the US is developing only that are new +--- 57855192 +>>57854752 +You forgot to mention that Xi can personally sink carriers with Chi blasts +--- 57855241 +>>57855072 +You are fuckin a clown in /k/. Nobody even wants to reply to you. Know better and get the fuck out of this board. +--- 57855340 +>>57853637 +>Taiwan is a nice saberrattle but the smart money would be on cementing the 'Stans as Chinese vassals. +Smart money is "literally continue to manufacture shit and grow economy, get some siberian clay from russia since they're now your bitch" +but as russia clearly demonstrated countries aren't necessarily rational actors. also control over taiwan is china's gateway to putting pressure on a number of west-aligned countries like worst korea and japan so IF they could get taiwan without a very high cost it might be worth it for them +--- 57855354 +>>57855241 +>you are fuckin a clown in /k/ + +Uhhhh MODS?? This is a blue board wtf??? +--- 57855355 +>>57853269 (OP) +All of the CCP has VAIDS from the covid vax. Even Xi. +>They are all becoming gay and sick and will soon die +--- 57855370 +>>57854652 +>Wonder if the Chinky Winkies will invade Russia to score points internationally at some point +how do you get past nooks in this scenario? barring absolute cockup by the chinks (eminently possible) a drawn-out conflict with china isn't something russia could reasonably win +--- 57855444 +>>57855055 +If russia fires a nuke and it fails the chinese will feel that they can take russia. Chinas ministry of resources is already redrawing maps of Siberia to be part of china. With the west showing that their weapons work the chinese have probably calculated that the cost to take Taiwan is too high. The Russians however have shown themselves to be weak and incompetent taking Siberia would cost relatively little if nukes were not involved. China already has more people lighting along the border with russia than russia has in population. I can see them pulling something similar to what the jews pulled on Palestine if they don't have to worry about getting a few cities nuked. +--- 57855471 +>>57853319 +>China will probably keep Taiwan in their pocket up until they desperately need an external enemy to quell internal strife. I doubt the top ching chongs wanted to take such a risk any time soon anyway. +This for the most part. + +>>57853499 +>the military isn't going to just start lobbing missiles and shells into Chinese cities and military bases without China escalating first. We're not barbaric Russians, it's not worth the civilian blowback to maybe bag a few top brass, +The US is heavily infiltrated by mainland Chinese diaspora and pro-Chinese business elite. So that's the main reason. + +>>57853589 +>China freezes any attempts at Taiwan. China fears embarrassment more than anything so they won't do something unless they're 100% sure they can do it, and Taiwan isn't a 100%. Plus it makes them a pariah and that would significantly hurt their globally connected economy +It's hard to become a pariah that way if the other countries already don't recognize Taiwan. Aside from the US, everyone else thinks the PRC owns Taiwan. + +>>57853519 +>The opening phases of Ukraine showed what outdated memes ballistic missiles are, which are a weapon type China heavily relies on for offensive capabilities +Russia was trying not to be blow anything in Ukraine the first days and weeks of the war! + +>>57853904 +>Most definitely. Reminder that Xi literally told Putin he couldn't invade until after the Winter Olympics. Vatniks really like to memory hole that one because it shows just how much of a vassal state Russia is to China. +I doubt that ever happened. Russia invaded Crimea near the end of the 2014 Winter Olympics which were also held in Russian-held Sochi. They did the same thing in 2022 but a week later. + +>>57854056 +>Russia had wanted to invade much earlier than February but was told "no" by China because of the focus on the Winter Olympics +Absolutely not. That would have been a far worse time to invade Ukraine when winter was in full swing. +--- 57855488 +>>57853269 (OP) +Taiwan was never going to happen. China simply can't admit it (nor America really, China HAS to look like a threat), thus its just a dick measuring contest like Star Wars program in the Cold War. US is dependant on China and vice versa. Retards like Trump, and some no-doubt existing Trump equivalents in China want to change that, but it would only fuck up their own economies. The only way Taiwan falls is if US gets USSR'd out of existance. +--- 57855533 +>>57855488 +>russia isn't actually stupid enough to start a land war of conquest in europe and their economy is very reliable on the west +--- 57855543 +>>57855533 +>is very reliable on the west +reliant* +it's the opposite of reliable +--- 57855586 +>>57854531 +>He's already purged most of the military and political opponents. +So did Beria, it didn't save him from literally who Khrushchev. Around apparatchiks never relax. +--- 57855762 +>>57855471 +>The US is heavily infiltrated by mainland Chinese diaspora and pro-Chinese business elite. So that's the main reason. + +Just like EU was infiltarted by Russian sympathizers. + +USA might be taking notes and planning to deal with this over next decade. +--- 57855826 +>>57853369 +One child policy biting them in the butts again as only sons die +--- 57856007 +>>57855762 +>Just like EU was infiltarted by Russian sympathizers. +and they haven't accomplished much when shit got real +if anything, the lesson here is that the fifth column isn't all that effective when you get up to actual mischief, even if you have retards like Cuckson and a third of german/french government shilling for you. +in america in particular I wouldn't want to be arguing for muh chinks dindu nuffin once the population gets primed into proper government-mandated patriotic fervor +--- 57856129 +The US has had to stretch their resources to cover additional deterrent needs in Europe and to provide support to Ukraine. +We have also seen US military industry begin to mobilise to a limited extent, patriot missile, GMLRS, radars, military UAS ect will all likely see their production expanded over the next few years. China might see that as somewhat threatening and aim to pre-empt it. +Shipment of deterrent weapons to Taiwan are likely delayed/reduced as well because of this. + +This has arguably made it more, not less, likely for China to attempt something around Taiwan. +If something big happened in the middle east for example, you could end up seeing the US mil industry and forces stretched over three possible fronts if China decided to create a Taiwan crisis. + +A crisis over the straight of Hormuz for example might see the USN have to divert considerable resources on top of their already increased tasking in the north Atlantic and Baltic. + +IMO it's still highly unlikely, China ultimately stands to gain from simply waiting; it would take a serious international or national crisis to force China to act IMO. +I think that the perception of a window of Chinese opportunity In US strategy circles is largely wrong, in fact if anything it's the United States that has a window of action this decade Vis China and Taiwan. +A lot of the low hanging fruit in regards to improving the deterrent capabilities of Allied forces, mostly through alliances and agreements, has already been picked. +The Chinese capability to take the island will improve much more rapidly than the allied capability to defend it in my view, they stand to gain from waiting. +--- 57856334 +>>57855762 +>>57856007 +It's really not the same. There was/is very little modern Russian diaspora in Europe compared to the US where major cities and colleges are flooded with Chinese people. Most US corporations and private equity firms are openly pro-China, whether that's wanting to increase investment or actively push back when the US wrote legislature to "ban" the import of goods made from forced labor in China. + +In Europe there was always some states including Poland warning about Russia, and the US did the same. With the US there's nobody else in that position when it comes to China and the US that has to do it entirely on its own. That's why China got another decade green-light to do whatever it wanted in the 2010s and had done the most damage then. + +The US and Australia only started opening their eyes at the end of the decade and had to drag the UK to go along with it. The rest of Europe still doesn't care about China's abuses, expansionism and capture of global governance orgs. France and Germany want to get closer to it. BBC World News often does damage-control for China including lying about the US' version of "One China Policy". Western and US media rarely covers China; no mentions of their harassment of and even kidnapping attempts of dissidents in the West, their espionage and theft of trade, academic and security secrets, or their border expansions. + +Many European states even have extradition treaties with China. There's been many cases around the world where Taiwanese people and oppressed minorities have been sent to the PRC. There's Confucius Institutes and secret Chinese overseas police stations all over the West, the former directly working with colleges. Greece sold off their Piraeus port to China, vetoed an EU resolution condemning China's rights abuses, and during the Olympic torch procession they banned anti-CCP protestors in violation of the EU's own laws. Business and real estate in Italy and Canada have been bought by China left and right. +--- 57856365 +>>57854008 +vatniks wanted chang help in dodging things like sanctions on boyars personal accounts. Which vatniks expected to be the maximum what to expect from the west based off 2014. Which changs agreed to in exchange for not overshadowing their prestigious olympics. +--- 57856369 +>>57856334 +The only thing ive heard from the BBC that is supposed to be negative about china is the oppression of muslims, which actually makes me more positive about china. +--- 57856384 +>>57855370 +by having also big, scary NOOKS aimed at Moscow. Just as vatnigs claim allegedly to have working ones they could aim at Beijing. End result is local, limited exchanges or a pure coventional war like Ukraine +--- 57856393 +>>57856290 +You are pretending like racism doesn’t exist and can’t/hasn’t been weaponized by the US government in wartime +--- 57856413 +>>57856334 +I remember the state level forced organ harvesting camp system report coming out presented by Pompeo but since it was le evil orange hitlers crew, it went completely ignored or disgustingly spun in a pro commie regime spin with the remnant media trash + +tbf regarding the chink cop stations blackmailing and threatening in other sovereign countries, at least western ones have started to crack down on that shit. +--- 57856424 +>>57856393 +modern day heresy aka racism has not been much of thing ever for at least the second half of the 20th century with western civilization. Now cultist woketards aggressively race baiting has of course given it a new revival in addition to opportunistic shitheads like nogs using it as get out of jail free card to escape consequences for their own shitty tribal behavior. +--- 57856428 +>>57853269 (OP) +You're a retard. China never viewed Russia as the muscle in some sort of strategic alliance. Russia has always been seen as a rival, both competing for influence in Central Asia. However now with Russias power and influence collapsing China has an opportunity to completely replace Russias influence and have Russia fall within their own sphere of influence. This war is good for China. +--- 57856434 +>>57854585 + +This will probably invite a full blown nuclear response that was lovingly crafted for the Soviet Union, but now falling on land 1/3 the size and 10 times as dense with human insects. +--- 57856439 +>>57855241 + +fuck you cocksucker, the US had this glide tech in the 60s too but they didn't think it was useful +--- 57856451 +>>57856434 +Keep dreaming loser. The US is going to start a nuclear war over convential missiles hitting our bases. We're just going to attrit the Rocket Force, destroy the Air Force, and sink the Navy. Then starve the Chinese into submission. +--- 57856454 +>>57853499 +>the ninja drone +flying slapchop +--- 57856472 +>>57853577 +Duh, that's why they're called 'missiles' not 'hittiles' +--- 57856518 +>>57856428 + +wrong, no CSTO country will follow China mainly because there is no counterbalance. they know its a mafia. wait and see +--- 57856591 +>>57855444 +Would russia surrender to NATO if it meant help with defending themselves against china? +--- 57856604 +>>57856472 +I wish i could hate you BALD. +--- 57856636 +>>57853269 (OP) +Ukraine War or no it was never going to happen as Taiwan is a literal US ally and Americans will be involved. + +>>57855533 +See Russians aren't Chinese who actually think before acting. +--- 57856673 +>>57854731 +When China dies India will try to step up and be the big player in Asia. It's a downgrade in terms of enemy cool factor because pootech is laughably bad, but maybe it'll buy time until someone else gits gud. +--- 57856878 +>>57853269 (OP) +With everyone and their mom looking at, preoccupied by Ukraine and, more importantly, digging into their ammo/equipment reserves to help out, now might be a good time too strike Taiwan i think +--- 57856974 +>>57853319 +There are multiple reasons why i think Taiwan will be invaded +>Nationalistic/need for rally around flag +>Economic (chip expensive, china no know how make good) +>Strategic (chip complex and in missile, china no know how make good, also think of Japan being cut off from scrap metal and oil) +>Social, sorta like nationalistic but this could balance the gender disparity +--- 57857493 +>>57856974 +>Social, sorta like nationalistic but this could balance the gender disparity +It won't balance shit, Taiwan's population is literally a drop in a bucket to China. +--- 57857525 +>>57856974 +Economic and Strategic concerns factor little in China's aims in Taiwan. Economically Taiwan has been irrelevant ever since China opened up. If it was ever economical then all China would do is just fucking keep doing what it was doing. + +No, Its 100% Nationalistic as the Island is seen as the last rogue province. Taiwan is the reason why the PLA remains named as PLA (i.e. the civil war is not yet finished.). Once finished they would simply be naming it as the Zhongguo Renminjun (The Chinese People's Army). +--- 57857670 +>>57854773 + +Developed, deployed and retired all in the 1970s, mach 10+ in acceleration phase. + +https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_(missile) + +US had true hypersonic missiles (not only hypersonic in the reentry phase like most ballistic missiles) about 50 years ago. + +Than they just didn't bother much with them as they were needlessly expensive and really only useful if the enemy has such a good air defense grid that you can't penetrate it reliably without anything but hypersonic missiles. + +They have a lot of disadvantages if you don't use them for nukes. +--- 57857804 +>>57853269 (OP) +Ukraine war made China realize both West and Russia are paper tiger. Why you think people are ditching the dollar? +--- 57857953 +>>57856974 +Yeah, I can't see the chip factories being factor. Taiwanese engineers would just destroy key components or hide key components of the factories in the mountains somewhere to deny China the ability to use said factories. + +They definitely aren't going to just let the Chinese have those chip factories. +--- 57858049 +>>57857953 +>he chip the fabs are important +TSMC CEO literally said China will catch up to TSMC in 5-8 years. Westerners only has propaganda for brain +--- 57858069 +China will never attempt to take Taiwan. Instead they will use tranny logic say that as long as everyone pretends they own Taiwan then that means they do. +--- 57858072 +>>57858049 +... my post was about how the chip factories were *not* a factor, dude. Hence I was implying that they were, in fact, not important. +--- 57859487 +>>57857804 +I have to ask, do you honestly think anyone is really America's equal much less superior? Especially a 3rd world shithole like China? I'm sorry to tell you this but no amount of internet wolf warrior crap will change the fact that you will implode due to your crappy government and come crawling back to the U.S everyone else. You aren't capable of sustaining yourselves and deep down you know it. Now go make me an iphone bitch. +--- 57859812 +>>57854773 +Post videos of a Chinese hypersonic missile with full directional control +--- 57859903 +>>57855241 +>>57854773 +Hypersonics are just a chink cope lol. They’re for people that know they’re cartoonishly outmatched and have to put all their stat points into pretending to have anything that can operate against US air defenses. + +US spent the last 60 years developing an entire war machine that is so effective at quickly and permanently dominating any air space that they have no need to pretend to have “hypersonic” wunderwaffes because they have no problem hitting their targets as it is. + +You’re not going to win a war with your dozens of propaganda missiles. +--- 57860523 +>>57859903 +The only serious AD systems the US had to face in the past 60 years were the ones in Iraq which were in derelict condition to begin with. +USAF would not do as well against near-peer or peer adversaries even in the current Ukraine war; Russia's AD networks today are on a whole different level that USAF pilots have had ZERO real-world experience fighting against so just imagine how awful the Chinese AA/AD zones would be, something they've been prepping for DECADES. You have unfortunately fallen for the air force cult like so many others have +--- 57861464 +>>57859903 +lmao, speaking of cope... +--- 57861680 +>>57860523 +> The only serious AD systems the US had to face in the past 60 years were the ones in Iraq which were in derelict condition to begin with. +Vietnam was where post-modern air-to-ground combat had the book written about it. And everyone else is still using the same tier air defense systems they were using like 50 years ago. + +Literally nobody else had ANY experience with it in the last 60 years but sure China, a totalitarian dictatorship run by yes-men that are totally caught in the dictatorship groupthink trap, and whose most recent military campaign was when they failed to invade or occupy any part of vietnam for longer than 4 weeks, is better prepared. Lol. + +And the funny thing is all the stuff that is still a secret. China’s go-to propaganda talking point is a broken knockoff of something that landed in Iraq 20 years ago. +--- 57861717 +>>57861464 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War + +>TFW China almost lost as many men after 3 weeks in Vietnam than the US lost in 20 years. +You gooks really don’t understand the power imbalance here. +--- 57861725 +>>57855355 +Jokes on you the Sinovac was just an applejuice injection +--- 57862403 +>>57859903 +Wow, 60 years of development you still can't make hypersonic glide vehicle. Wow! +--- 57863059 +>>57856472 +Carlos! +--- 57863161 +The current eceleb armchair general talk is that China needs to invade in the next 3-8 years before Taiwan can effectively spam American hardware and drones from underground bunker systems. Really the only way Taiwan can ensure it doesn't get invaded is if it just boosts the fuck out of its shore defenses and mass adopts drones. +--- 57863215 +>>57863161 +they only just started doing that en masse. so technically PLA still has a decent chance if they act quick. +--- 57863218 +>>57862403 +--- 57863229 +>>57853269 (OP) +No. +If anything, Russia is desperately using all assets of their extensive spy network to start as much shit everywhere at once and this does include China. +--- 57863274 +>>57854099 +yep. the west has been in pretty steep decline over the past 20 years, mainly due to a loss of confidence (bombing ragheads for israel isnt exactly a noble war), a desire for disarmement, and a hubristic assumption that global economic ties made war impossible. if putin had waited another 20 years, nato would not exist, european defence spending would be 0.5% of GDP (with countries like germany probably disbanding their militaries entirely for 'racism' or some shit) and the US would be entirely consumed by domestic issues. instead putin shat his pants and made bond-villian tier play, and woke the whole west up to the fact that the heckin russiarinos and chinkerinos and all the other third world shitskinerinos are not nice, rational economic partners who have been wronged by us in the past. +they are in fact retarded, aggressive and backwards, and still need to be kept in line. putins bullshit has effectively washed the wests hands clean of the moral greyness of the GWOT. hes reminded us all that if its not us in charge, its despots and corrupt morons like him. +>inb4 coming into the western sphere is worse because of trannies etc. +I hate trannies as much as the next guy. but if the choice is between prosperity+pride parades, or having my country turned into a bombed out rubble covered slave colony to have its resources sucked out of it by GLVRIOUS PUCCIA, im choosing the faggots. teenagers who think living in a crater is preferable to seeing a pride flag need to grow up. +--- 57863277 +>>57863215 +At this point the PLA is staring at a casualty counter currently in the tens of thousands that could go into the hundreds of thousands the longer they wait. They still would need to have a surge in supplies and manpower to maintain an offensive and really they would also have a timer from when they take out the Nimitz to when 2-4 more carriers come in and stomp Chinese air power. If they can strike in the next 4-5 years and accomplish an invasion in about a weeks time or so they could probably take Taiwan with about 20-30k casualties +--- 57863487 +The Taiwanese military is not ready. It is not capable or willing to defend itself. The CCP knows this. We know this. The only reason the Chinese aren't invading right now is because of the threat of crushing sanctions. +--- 57863537 +>>57863487 + +You could say the same of Ukraine. The point is the US can rapidly arm and train Taiwan if it wanted to and of course the USN is the strongest force in the history of mankind. Please assault or fuck off, you are wasting billions every month with your posturing and especially your stupid ass island forts in the south sea that will be wiped by winglet-riding Jdams in first half hour. +--- 57863590 +>>57861680 +if china was in a totalitarian trap, they wouldn't have effectively modernized the PLA to follow the american model past the 90s. you have fallen for your own western groupthink that blinds you to the massive progress they've made especially in the past decades. The global south realizes this and are positioning accordingly (see: recent KSA rapprochement with Iran thanks to China), westerners like you don't because you're too stuck in your own bubble +--- 57863609 +>>57853904 +>I don't see China actually invading Taiwan now for at least another 5-10 years. + +china, and more specifically XJP, really wasted their best chance to strongarm Taiwan this decade. politically speaking XJP may have 5 years but 8-10 years? he wanted to be guy that reunified china and ended the civil war. but at the same time he doesn't want to be wrong and be the guy who sent the last generation of chinese youth into a meatgrinder and destroyed the chinese economy. +--- 57863646 +>>57863590 + +China is in a totalitarian trap. Russia was seen as the second force in the world and turned out to be dogshit. everything was crap. it will be the same for china and its wunderwaffe, which are completely unproven and incomplete copies. even assuming they work 50% of what is claimed, the systems, logistics, training and leadership are not. the fall of PLA will make Russia's one look like a gender reveal party. +--- 57863673 +>>57863609 + +he doesn't need to now he is complete strongman who wiped out the opposition. the posturing over Taiwan was for internal consumption. is he going to risk 1.2 billion slaves to get another 23 million? when he loses, his family will be tortured to death by CCP next gen and even his daughter will be handed over by a furious US. +--- 57863797 +>>57863590 +No gun no opinion chink, post gun. +--- 57863818 +>>57863797 + +they are building so many copies of the same destroyer, never mind planned obsolesence, but there are no crews for the forseeable future. It is obviously a corruption racket. +--- 57863936 +>>57856591 +would NATO even accept that surrender? +--- 57864087 +>>57856129 +Thank you for the least uninformed take in this thread +--- 57864626 +>>57863590 +>posts random picture of industry +Bro I drive through hampton roads every day. I’ll never be impressed by like generic image of ports doing stuff. +--- 57864701 +>>57853269 (OP) +Did her optometrist diagnose her with gookleosis? +--- 57864713 +>>57863646 +What makes you think China will be the same as Russia? Any possible statistic you could find comparing the two countries couldn't disprove that silly notion more than they already do on their own. Are basic numbers just made up to you now? + +>>57864626 +Calling that "random" just shows how little you know. That's Dalian Shipyard for the record. That single shipyard alone has more output than all current US shipyards combined- and that's just one Chinese shipyard out of thirteen. +You don't have to be impressed, you just have to know what you'll be facing up against knowing that current US shipbuilding capabilities have been completely eclipsed by China's shipbuilding capabilities, and that the gap is only going to widen from here on out. +--- 57864746 +>>57864713 + +yes keep building destroyers ahead of crew training. keep piling that rusting metal up + +if you are so good why are you getting washed out ex-US and UK aviators to train your air force? +--- 57864923 +>>57864746 +>rusting metal up +KEK have you even taken a look at US hulls recently? I really, REALLY don't think you want to be using that argument +--- 57865139 +>>57864713 +Russia's fought a war in the last fifty years, China will be far, far worse. +--- 57865372 +>>57864923 + +yes ship hulls rust + +but this ship is being used. imagine building destroyers with no crews, because someone is earning from it +--- 57865584 +>>57864923 +rust is just something you live with and periodically clean when you could. same line of thinking can't be applied to PLA navy. since their hardware are more for internal propaganda purpose. god helps you if you have a speck of dust on it. +--- 57865781 +>>57853269 (OP) +China won't be "pushing the button" on WW3. They will be goaded into it by the U.S. whose masters desperately need to migrate out of their current golem to China and need the regime there resisting moral degeneracy--the magic distraction to allow ever-more ridiculous usury to flourish--they need that regime decapitated. +The U.S. needs to get Russia off the board--so it can do what it did to Japan from 1937-41: squeeze the Chinese on raw materials and interfere in their sphere of influence until they crack and strike at the U.S.--probably cyber/power grid/satellite Pearl Harbor. Won't be enough and Top leadership in China will get offed and the Han will have globohomo, I mean "freedom" like they never dreamed. +--- 57865820 +>>57863646 +>the fall of PLA will make Russia's one look like a gender reveal party. +Your brain on ZOG. +--- 57866209 +>>57865820 +Chinks can’t even help their buildings from falling apart and we’re expecting them to launch the most sophisticated naval invasion in history. +--- 57866707 +>>57865372 +>>57865584 +? +PLAN regularly does drills, patrols and performs extensive ship maintenance. They train months out at sea and yet you never see their ships in as bad condition. Sounds like you're just repeating the same tired memes because they're comforting to you rather than confronting reality +--- 57866719 +>>57865781 + +China is the most morally degenerate nation on earth + +they found one brothel in Shanghai that has young and even underage girls, and because it was for government officials only, all the girls were slaves and whoring for no pay and locked up. + +many such cases of extreme depravity sanctioned at highest levels, it is more Byzantium than USA can ever be +--- 57866722 +>>57866707 + +PLAN hardly uses its navy. It is a political tool, nothing much more + +Please assault Taiwan, what are you waiting for then, we need new entertainment. Moscow was a blast, two actually +--- 57866757 +>>57866722 +>PLAN hardly uses its navy. +China has overtaken the United States when it comes to the sheer size of its navy. While the PLAN has around 340 ships, the US Navy has less than 300 ships, and they're losing them faster to retirement than they can build new ones. +--- 57866772 +>>57866757 +>displacement +show us +--- 57866782 +>>57866757 + +congrats on counting everything as a ship + +furthermore with 340 ships, they are basically doing fuck all as there is no record of meaningful activity, even their island lock drills was a joke as a Taiwan fisherman could slap their carrier's hull could get so close + +stick to eating 5 meals a day on a chinese ship, at least that's something remarkable + +do you not understand, like the poor mobiks, the PLAN does not want to fight USA and Japan and Taiwan and just want to continue their easy life? doing the minimum, like mobiks +--- 57866804 +>>57866782 +Those 340 ships also get the benefit of operating near the coast of their home country, which is loaded to the brim with anti ship missiles and SAMs. Not to mention they get covered by their airforce, which is the largest in the world. +--- 57866813 +>>57866772 +USN isn't going to bring all its assets against China due to global commitments. China absolutely will, evening out the displacement comparisons. Especially as they continue their rapid pace of hull construction while USN retires 40+ ships in the next few years +--- 57866823 +>>57863487 +>The Ukranian military is not ready. It is not capable or willing to defend itself: look at how quickly they surrendered Crimea 8 years ago! +--- 57866843 +>>57866823 +What is it with you retards always comparing ukraine/russia with taiwan/china as if these are even remotely the same scenarios? Ukraine is not Taiwan, Russia is not China, get it through your thick skulls. Ukraine had their Crimea moment, Taiwan hasn't. They are far more complacent than Ukraine is and far less prepared for the type of war that they will have to face +--- 57866851 +>>57866804 + +you seem to think the the enemy USA will fight exactly as you planned them to be, which is a sign of a military that has not fought for half a century + +i think you should wake up to a few mornings of china costal nuclear power plants blowing up from stealth glide bombs for you to understand that USA is reserving special attention and treatment for China which it has not done for 78 years, last it did this was spread incendiaries all over Tokyo +--- 57866860 +>>57866843 + +not after the US got involved with them + +200+ F-16Vs upgraded and bought in record time no? That was an expense +--- 57866952 +>>57866860 +What good are those against the cold hard fact that Taiwan entirely lacks strategic depth? They're completely within PLA's coverage of land-based systems and airborne standoff strike capabilities. PLAAF inventory is far deeper and would bring the full brunt of their forces on top of whatever short-intermediate range missiles they have to strike assets on the ground before they can even take off +--- 57866972 +>>57856451 +Who was this even for? +--- 57866986 +>>57866952 + +the US has openly stated they are not going to allow it. so attacking Taiwan means an all out war with US, Japan, AUKUS and maybe NATO and Korea. If you attack or open fire on the US first, say when breaking the blockade with its ships, NATO's mutual defence kicks in no? +--- 57867009 +>>57853269 (OP) +It depends on how compartmentalized Xi is from everyone else. He has consistently proven himself to be a retard, but maybe this war will be a big enough wake up call that even Winnie the Pooh will hear it. +--- 57867021 +>>57867009 +Why would it? Putin’s just as fucking retarded, why would Xi be any different? +--- 57867023 +>>57866986 +>NATO +China has their economies by the balls, they'd be next to useless and almost certainly won't get involved. You had both Macron and Scholz last week openly going against the US and its taiwan policy. So that's already two of the biggest players out. The rest are too small and irrelevant and lack force projection for a conflict halfway across the globe or any ways to meaningfully contribute. +AUKUS is a given but it's doubtful how much they'd actually provide +--- 57867025 +>>57867023 +Lmao +--- 57867029 +>>57867009 + +Xi is focused on killing his rivals. He's probably killed more communists than any man after McArthur. +--- 57867032 +>>57867023 +Oh no FRANCE won’t help, we’re DOOMED +--- 57867036 +>>57867023 +>big players +--- 57867042 +>>57867032 +>>57867036 +>b-but NATO! +Yeah no here's the basic facts showing why this is utterly unlikel- +>HURRRRR DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR + +I swear to god there's no pleasing you retards +--- 57867047 +>>57867042 +No your just blindly sucking Chinese cock and acting like a stereotypical /pol/ retarded, if you had the ability to read a room you’d realize everyone is mocking you constantly +--- 57867052 +Imagine the pure and utter incompetence we’ll see from China when they launch a naval invasion. It’s gonna make Russia look like Desert Storm. I can’t wait. +--- 57867060 +>>57867052 +The Chinese shills will probably actually kill the site to avoid the vicious mockery +--- 57867068 +>>57867047 +You are a worthless retard +--- 57867074 +>>57867068 +Oh it’s you again + +“Ok” +--- 57867080 +I think it's more that China always assumed that because of 2014 Crimea and more recently our pulling out of Afghanistan, that we would just roll over and let nations annex smaller nations if they wanted to because authoritarian nations stronk and democracies fear confronting them. For the CCP, the west's response to Russia's actions in Ukraine has shown them that yes, there are in fact consequences for doing that. +And the consequences would be far worse for China because they are not a fuel and food exporter like Russia, they are the world's biggest importer of both. People like to claim this might be the end of Russia but Russia-level sanctions on China would legitimately be the end of China as we know it from the famines alone that would ensue. Which is a shame, chinese girls can be pretty hot. +--- 57867082 +>>57867060 +>China displays military incompetence so stunning it shocks the world into silence +>Redditors and noguns flood /k/ like february ‘22 because ww3 +>China let’s their million man shill army off the leash because of this +>/k/ is ultimately drowned and irreparably ruined +It will be this boards peak before its meeting with destiny. +--- 57867083 +>>57867080 +Nah Koreans are much more attractive +--- 57867089 +>>57867082 +It will be glorious I think even /pol/ would be lost, what a shit show. +--- 57867091 +>/k/ STILL doesn't have an answer to these +--- 57867097 +>>57856334 +Maybe before I'd agree but the current administration has already targetted several US industries and said to their employees "either you get out of china NOW, or you give up your US citizenship". Within 24 hours the entire sector's employees either left china or left the US. +--- 57867098 +>>57867091 +https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-Range_Hypersonic_Weapon +--- 57867111 +>>57855471 +>It's hard to become a pariah that way if the other countries already don't recognize Taiwan. +The reason they don't recognize Taiwan isn't because of Chinese bullying, but rather because until Taiwan gives up its territorial claims to the rest of China, it's seen as an internal dispute. Which is why the last thing China wants is for Taiwan to give up said claims and announce true independence from China because suddenly the CCP is threatening a sovereign nation. +--- 57867118 +>>57867068 +Know your place chang +--- 57867120 +>>57867098 +>United States Navy (planned) +草 +--- 57867128 +>>57867120 +奴隶农奴 +--- 57867136 +>>57867091 +Are they cost effective to use on anything cheaper than ships? I can't imagine chucking them at runways will be sustainable for long. +--- 57867137 +>>57867120 +>tested and actually works +>was done so 3 years ago +>interestingly at the same time China started screaming about them +--- 57867140 +>>57857804 +>Why you think people are ditching the dollar? +People have been trying to devalue the petrodollar since the 1970s and last I checked, it wasn't ruined even when half the planet didn't even run on a capitalist system and thus were barely even traded with. +You want to know why BRICS will never defeat the dollar? Because while it has way more people than the west, it has like 1/50th of the amount of wealth. +--- 57867149 +>>57867140 +And most of that wealth is held by wealthy retards like the Saudi princes who are too busy creating cities in deserts to care +--- 57867154 +>>57867149 +No most of it is held by us, the brits, the french, the germans, and the swiss. I don't know how much the Netherlands managed to make off of Indonesia before they lost it. +--- 57867163 +>>57867154 +Lmao you cheeky shit +--- 57867171 +>>57853269 (OP) +Attacking Taiwan would be a strategic blunder of world-reshaping proportions that would grind the global economy to a halt for at least a decade even without America firing a single shot. + +>Taiwan's semiconductor industry is not up for grabs, it's only up for shutdown. If the factories are not destroyed by Taiwan, they'll be destroyed by America. If they miraculously survive the war intact, the workers will be assassinated or evacuated. If somehow China achieves a pro gamer move and executes a flawless victory the likes of which no chink military in the entirety of human history has ever claimed, taking everything intact, the raw materials and machines the factories depend on all come from somewhere else and will be immediately denied and sanctioned, rendering their possession moot. +>So let's say China wins it all and America, for some reason, doesn't destroy the industry and decides to bend the knee instead of just doing without. They wouldn't cuck like that because it'd be the end of American prosperity overnight, but let's say we're just that afraid to fight. First off, every security guarantee the Americans offer to anyone anywhere in the world would instantly be considered worthless. European nations would have to start maintaining actual militaries instead of glorified LARP forces, and NATO would likely fracture. Every simmering conflict that's kept in check by the implicit threat of getting an American-led coalition up the pooper pops off within a year. Do you think Russia will stop at Ukraine if the chips needed to make all those fancy weapons suddenly disappear because China squeezes off the supply and/or western nations can't or won't buy them? Nope! +>Taking the other tack, if it all gets blown to hell, ain't nobody making, selling, or buying SHIT. Everything electronic would be in a shortage immediately. China would collapse, but so would everyone else. + +TL;DR - not even chinks are this stupid, it's all a scam to get more MIC gibs. +--- 57867173 +>>57867154 +The Netherlands have been seemingly content just existing for the last century so I imagine a good amount +--- 57867179 +>>57867171 +>Not even the chinks are that stupid +Werent they saying that about Russia a year or so ago? +--- 57867204 +>>57867091 +Assuming those are China's hypersonic weapons, they have some pretty serious flaws. For one, there is a legitimate tradeoff for being so fast, namely that they can't really course-correct and are effectively just a medium-range rocket that's really really fast. So it's great against stationary targets but a ship has to just...move out of the way. Unless they think putting nuclear warheads on those is a smart idea, as if we wouldn't nuke someone that nuked us first. +And as for stationary targets...have you guys actually looked at the range of those things? Even Guam is 4x farther than their maximum range, all they could really hit of US bases would be South Korea and maybe Okinawa +--- 57867215 +>>57867136 +It ain't called the Guam-Killer without reason. I'd imagine they have good reasons to stockpile hundreds of the things. And considering this is China we're talking about, the costs involved will be far less since they already have R&D + supply chains taken care of +--- 57867218 +>>57867179 +No, American teens in their commie phase were saying that. Everyone else that had experience with Russians knew they were exactly that stupid. + +I mean, yeah, thirdies are unpredictable and prone to flip the board because they're pissed about losing, sure. They MIGHT slaughter the global economy for literally no benefit whatsoever, but then again America has a few competent administrators. I fully expect they'd just bomb the factories and then have a hearty laugh about it until the coffee maker broke and they realized nobody was gonna have the ability to make a new one for 10 years. +--- 57867231 +>>57867218 + +Vietnam knows + +you know, the other gooks +--- 57867237 +>>57867231 +The CPV also can't stand the CCP. +--- 57867239 +>>57867218 +You do realize other countries can make electronics...right? Sure not that such a huge amount but it’s not like it’s a fucking list start only the Chinese know. +>Japan...I am forgotten... +--- 57867247 +>>57867239 +Lost art* +--- 57867258 +>>57866972 +You. I meant to say the US will not start a nuclear war. Sorry :( +--- 57867269 +>>57867258 +I mean if China starts it yeah by definition they aren’t +--- 57867278 +>>57867258 + +if you suddenly lob missiles at a US carrier task force with 6000+ souls, I think everything is on the table. even Kim bless his chubby feet, keeps quiet when the Nimitzes trails destroyers in its wake off Korea +--- 57867283 +>>57867204 +guam absolutely is within range of the df-26 specifically +china's hypersonics are probably overhyped while still posing more of a credible threat than conventional missiles. something to at least monitor but unlikely it's the silver bullet towards knocking out CBGs +--- 57867291 +>>57867283 +>guam absolutely is within range of the df-26 specifically +Yeah but those aren't the hypersonics, the hypersonics only have a range of something like 1000-1500km +--- 57867294 +>>57858049 +Implessive! +he said the same thing 5-8 years ago +--- 57867299 +>>57867239 +It's a "shit rolls downhill" effect. Take what happened during COVID as an example. It's not that there were zero chips at all because of a disruption, it's that the supply became so bottlenecked that many industries couldn't get enough. Prices skyrocketed on things like GPUs and cars as a result. Now that was after like a year of global *reduced* capacity. There was still production going on. If Taiwan gets flattened, that's 50% of the global supply of chips just straight up GONE until new foundries are constructed, then those new foundries immediately open up into a backlog. Anything with a microchip would be out of reach from even the middle class. +--- 57867304 +>>57867299 +Wasn’t that actually due to China buying up literally everything at the time to create the supply issue and farm bitcoins though? +--- 57867305 +>>57860523 +>Iraq which were in derelict condition to begin with. +fourth stronkest army in the world at the time. or have you already memory holed that too? +--- 57867310 +>>57867291 +i know, the pic and the response confused me for a sec +df-21 ain't reaching guam that's for damn sure +--- 57867311 +>>57867299 +Isn’t America already building new foundries right now because of the potential for this to occur? +--- 57867314 +>>57867269 +>>57867278 +The US isn't going to launch Nukes because a carrier is sunk. Carriers are valid military targets. The US doesn't need nukes to defeat China, why would you nuke a country that can also nuke you, and when after the war they will be your vassal. You're just destroying your future ability to extract wealth. +--- 57867320 +>>57867299 + +they are already opening up in USA + +China grew rich through its own effort but also because the West helped them. It would be gigantically retarded to then backstab the West and try to claim global hegemony because it is more likely to invite resistance and continuous troubles by other nations who accept the new gang culture of the world, even in the slimmest of chances it wins +--- 57867321 +>>57867314 +Ok +--- 57867327 +>>57867299 +Why are you ignoring every other SEA country and Japan and their ability to create shit +--- 57867329 +>>57867310 +I just didn't recognize the missiles in the pic and assumed they were the hypersonics because people won't stop acting like they're the biggest thing ever +--- 57867332 +>>57867320 +>It would be gigantically retarded to then backstab the West and try to claim global hegemony +Yeah but third worlders are retarded +--- 57867344 +>>57866843 + so what is your cope going to be after a year of combat chinchongs fail to even establish a stable beach head in Taiwan? +--- 57867353 +>>57867344 +>we didn’t want Taiwan anyway! I was about weakening the US! +--- 57867357 +>>57867320 +>It would be gigantically retarded to then backstab the West and try to claim global hegemony +Normally I'd agree but Xi seems to genuinely buy into the idea that the Han are just the most special awesome ethnic group ever and the rest of the world should be thankful for getting to share the same planet as them so of COURSE they should be the country the whole world revolves around. +--- 57867369 +>>57867353 +so... two more weeks? +--- 57867373 +>>57867321 +>:( +--- 57867377 +>>57867320 +>China grew rich through its own effort +with its own pure effort they let themselves be subjugated by insane god emperors and then embarked on glorious works like the Great Leap Backwards and Cultural Devolution. + + it was western stupidity, greed and over reliance on common sense that led to investments that pulled the insane bug colony out of its freefall stall after they got a little bit saner and off hands god emperors on the throne. Which btw has now reversed as pooh bear is quite openly emulating maoism +--- 57867381 +>>57867357 +if han is so special and awesome, why did they destroyer an entire replacement generation with one child policy, which basically doomed han people unless they start diluting their ethnic purity with other races just to effectively reproduce? +--- 57867386 +>>57867171 +I doubt the chips are that much of a factor to consider. Taiwan entering the fold is every PRC nationalist's wet dream with or without TSMC facilities. There's no doubt in my mind those things are getting blown up no matter what as the cost of doing business. + +And yes it would absolutely cripple everyone's economic situation but PRC might be insane enough to do it if they think they can maintain their own advanced semiconductor fabs. SUPPOSEDLY SMIC already is capable of 7nm chips. If they can get those + future advanced chips to scale for civilian industry needs they'll be more willing to bite the bullet +--- 57867393 +>>57867373 +Ok +--- 57867398 +>>57867304 +Not entirely, although that didn't help matters. It was a combination of lockdowns increasing demand for electronics (need a laptop for WFH and all the home entertainments and etc) and also reducing supply (factories having fewer shifts, sick workers, etc). The point is, as disruptive as that was, that was far, far, FAR less than 50% of chip production going missing. To put it in perspective, Taiwan didn't even shut down their chip factories, only other places with much smaller market shares did. That massive fustercluck was all just people needing more laptops and some of the shitters being quitters. I'm genuinely not exaggerating when I say the world halts if it happens, which is why it's unlikely China will ever do jack shit. +--- 57867399 +>>57867381 +The way I had it explained to me was Mao wanted the country to catch up with the Soviet Union in production so he had a big campaign of basically paying anyone who would have lots of babies. Fast forward a few years and they were like "holy shit, what have we done, we basically doubled our country's population overnight, they're going to eat the country alive if this keeps going" so the 1-child policy was meant to be an extreme overcorrection of that. +>unless they start diluting their ethnic purity with other races just to effectively reproduce +Will never happen, Han are one of the most racist ethnic groups on the planet. +--- 57867406 +>>57867393 +--- 57867409 +>>57867406 +Ok +--- 57867420 +>>57867398 +That assumes the US isn’t making new fabrication plants to counter this, which they are, and other countries refusing to see the writing on the walls as well as apparently this is the decade that authoritarian governments commit suicide +--- 57867424 +>>57867420 +*that said you still are right about it potentially fucking up everything, but relying on China to NOT be retarded is not a good idea +--- 57867437 +>>57867420 +>That assumes the US isn’t making new fabrication plants to counter this +Nta but we already are and Mexico is helping. From how I heard Peter Zeihan explain it +>Mexico can easily do what China does in low-end chip manufacturing which is like the shit that's in like toys and stuff +>We can do the high-end, super advanced stuff +>The problem is we don't currently have a replacement for Taiwan in terms of manufacturing the mid-level chips +--- 57867446 +>>57867344 +They don't need to if they're able to maintain blockade where effectively nothing comes in or out of the island. Invasion would either be the insanely retarded option or a simple formality because taiwan + allies' capabilities had severely degraded past the point of no return +--- 57867447 +>>57864923 +>Rusty And Battered USS Stout DDG-55 After Spending A Record 215 Days At Sea +So at what point do you get tired of posting the same pics of an extraordinately rare incident as if it is the standard? +Here she is as of like 6 months ago btw +--- 57867452 +>>57867437 +>we can create high and low end shit +>but mid tier chips are a problem +What an interesting problem +--- 57867459 +>>57867452 +Each type requires different plant configurations, different levels of expertise, etc. So it makes sense. +--- 57867476 +>>57854570 +>Xi is Biden-tier retarded +Is he? Tell me more please. +--- 57867478 +>>57867459 +Makes sense +>SIR WE CAN ONLY BUILD QUANTUM COMPUTER +>WE’ER DOOMED +IM joking obviously +--- 57867481 +>>57867476 +It was a back handed comment nothing more +--- 57867486 +>>57867476 +Not him but you know how we listen in on everything that happens in the state departments in Russia? We're doing that in China too but unlike in Russia, no one's saying anything. Xi has shot the messenger so many times that everyone's terrified of him so they either don't tell him anything at all, or they just bullshit him so he hears what he wants to hear. I forget what major event it was in China but Xi didn't hear about it until Biden said something about it in one of their video conferences. +--- 57867497 +>>57864923 +>>57867447 +And here is what she looked like just before the emergency longterm deployment> +Its almost as if it was a fluke brought on by extreme measures enacted during a global pandemic of unprecedented scale. +--- 57867501 +>>57854570 +>>57867476 +Biden has one gigantic advantage over Xi, and that's that he can admit he's not the smartest person in the room and is open to ideas from others. Which is a surprisingly rare trait among presidents if we're being honest, and it's a good one because it means people who know better can get a word in. +--- 57867539 +>>57867452 +but by definition mid tier is what's most in demands. it's the proverbial destruction of the middle class but in technology sense. +--- 57867546 +>>57867501 +I’m pretty sure he is smart enough to realize the only reason he was ever elected was because he literally wasn’t trump, so he’s probably taking shit easy and playing the milktoast generic white president and letting his aids do the work behind him. +--- 57867548 +>>57867539 +Ok better bend the knee to our new bug overlords and not just...build new plants. +--- 57867550 +>>57867546 +>>57867501 +Fags +--- 57867554 +>>57867501 +>he can admit he's not the smartest person in the room +Isn't he literally demented? That's not a rhetorical question by the way, it seems like the last time he was mentally competent enough to admit anything was a decade or two ago. +--- 57867556 +>>57867550 +Lmao you got a script that looks for mentions of Biden eh? Sorry daddy trump isn’t going to save you from the trannies and gays anon, he was literally too retarded to be president +--- 57867562 +>>57867554 +No, it there was even a hint of genuine dementia he’d be carted off in an instant, fuck Regan was for the last few months and the country nearly had a stroke. +--- 57867567 +>>57867556 +I don't like Trump. But you don't like him for the wrong reason. +--- 57867571 +>>57867567 +Lmao sure, he was an embarrassment to the title and cached like a child to everyone, that alone is enough +--- 57867578 +>>57853269 (OP) +She looks like she wants to suck that flower's cock, but being a flower it doesnt have one. +--- 57867580 +>>57867567 +So you were just acting hostile to start for literally no reason? +--- 57867581 +>>57856472 +CARLOS +--- 57867583 +>>57867580 +I'm hostile to you because you're a fag. +--- 57867586 +>>57853269 (OP) +Retroactively doesn't mean "made them change their mind" +--- 57867590 +>>57867583 +Why? We both agree trump was a bad president. You...wouldn’t be pathetically begging for attention would you? +--- 57867619 +>>57867590 +I want you to know that you're a fag. Just your text is enough to identify you. +--- 57867640 +>>57867619 +So you are, ok, we’ll I’ll keep responding because you seem to need the human interaction ok? +--- 57867642 +>>57858049 +>TSMC CEO literally said China will catch up to TSMC in 5-8 years. +so china will always be 5-8 years behind? + +>Westerners only has propaganda for brain +ironic innit? +--- 57867658 +>>57867640 +I have a cat laying on me rn in Odessa. I am just fine. +--- 57867662 +>>57867658 +Ok +--- 57867683 +>>57864713 +>more output +quality over quantity. You have ghost cities, too, because of rampant corruption. + +>You don't have to be impressed +Paper country. It's all fake. lol +--- 57867697 +>>57867662 +Keep being a fag and acting like you aren't envious. +--- 57867744 +>>57867562 +>a hint of genuine dementia +What about all those tremendous verbal gaffs? He doesn't do them all the time but when he does it comes off as actually demented. Worse than my late grandmother, RIP. +--- 57867748 +>>57867658 +>>57867697 +Not him + I would probably think you're a fag if I got to know you better too, but post more photos of that cat immediately. +--- 57867750 +>>57867683 +>Paper country +This makes me wonder if other countries, like China for example, use 'paper' in the same derisive way. +--- 57867755 +>>57867748 +--- 57867758 +>>57856472 +Good one +--- 57867768 +>>57867755 +Fuck yeah, look at that thing. I bet he kills birds whenever he feels like it. +--- 57867775 +>>57867768 +A homeless guy talking to himself came by and he got scared and left :( here's a picture of the food I fed gave him +--- 57867798 +>>57867683 +They have both quality and quantity w.r.t. PLAN. You can only fake so much; China literally makes almost half of the world's merchant shipping which readily translates into large labor pool of capable engineers + reduced costs + infrastructure + huge budgets to afford maintenance, training, R&D. This is unlike the current US Navy who is currently stretched thin and pushed quite hard due to lack of available labor, lack of budget, resources, yards, etc. etc. You underestimate them at your own peril +--- 57867843 +>>57853269 (OP) +Better yet +>russian men sent to die in a ditch +>russian women left unloved and frustrated +>chink male surplus acquire siberian pussy +--- 57867855 +>>57867798 + +>takes Chinese propaganda at face value +>takes MIC whining at face value + +gullibility is stretching it. look at russia this is you but underwater soon +--- 57867868 +>>57854041 +Disagree China is actually ideologically sound and practicing realpolitik. Meanwhile State Department representatives are saying how LGBT rights are a key aspect of foreign policy, it's a fucking circus. +--- 57867889 +>>57867775 +The homeless deserve extermination. +--- 57867891 +>>57867437 +>>Mexico can easily do what China does in low-end chip manufacturing which is like the shit that's in like toys and stuff +The issue here is, Mexico does not have the water supply or logistic infrastructure, brain trust and institutional knowledge base to develop a low end chip manufacturing industry within a meaningful time period on their own. And even if they start cooperating with US and Canadian chip manufacturers to develop the infrastructure and human capital to do so, it will take them about a decade with alot of handing holding through the entire process. The chips that Mexico will produce will have long expensive logistic chains where components will have to cross the US border multiple times to produce the final product. Very much in parallel to what's happening with the Mexico-US cross border automotive industrial complex. + +The one major advantage China has in low end chip manufacturing (28 nm - 130 nm and larger), is it has the complete supply chain within the province of Guangdong centered around the city of Shenzhen from raw materials to silicon wafer refining to DUV machine manufacturing and chip prototyping and design. Despite China's aging population, they can still drive down the cost of low end chip manufacturing because every node in the supply chain is so close in proximity to each other and they are investing heavily in industrial robots and automation to maintain their comparative advantage for the foreseeable future. +--- 57867926 +>>57867891 +>The problem is we don't currently have a replacement for Taiwan in terms of manufacturing the mid-level chips. +This is where I call Peter Zeihan out on his bullshit. Samsung started risk production of their 3 nm process node in 2022 and full production of their refined second iteration this year. TSMC got to their second iteration of there's one year sooner then Samsung and Intel the only American vendor that has any leg in this race, are just starting risk production of their first iteration 3 nm process node now. Following this cadence, Intel is forever going to be behind TSMC and Samsung by at least 1-2 years, and this is assuming they don't encounter any difficult obstacles, like what happened when they tried to get their 10 nm (really equivalent to Samsung and TSMC's 7 nm) process node off the ground and struggle to do so for nearly a decade in the early 2010s, taking so long that the East Asian tech giants get 7 nm ready sooner simply by going through all the incremental iterations from 14 nm to 12 nm, 10 nm and then 7 nm. + +The fabs TSMC is building in US are all for older 6-5nm process nodes. if anything current trends look like TSMC and Samsung are going to produce the most advanced process nodes within their respective countries and produce mid level chips in the US because none of these companies want to give away their most valuable trade secrets and patents to the Americans or Intel. +--- 57867928 +>>57867855 +Russia is Russia and China is China. I think I'll take my chances on not assuming that the 2nd largest economy in the world by GDP (and the 1st measured in PPP) doesn't have credible means of contesting the seas +--- 57867931 +>>57867889 +I hate them. I found more cats. +--- 57867946 +Mmmm raping Taiwanese girls. If China makes horny moves on Taiwan and USA cock blocks get ready for wwiii +--- 57867948 +>>57867915 +Russian women do be pretty fine tho ngl no cap frfr ong +--- 57867962 +>>57867948 +I feel like chinese women are usually very ugly. +--- 57867989 +>>57867962 +There are probably 100 million cute/sexy Chinese girls but unfortunately there are 500 million fucking goblins. This ratio is spoiling their chances of getting picked up by western chads. We look to other markets for our sluts +--- 57869072 +>>57863646 +The problem with these threads on sites full of extremists is that people take extreme positions just for the hell of it, you can have extremists for China or extremists for America, but they're not really trying to look at capabilities in a realistic way as much as hoping for a cathartic moment in which the PLAN or the USN will own their enemies online for them. + +>>57867501 +Biden is also a Catholic where the last one we had was JFK. I think Catholics can be a little "softer" or a bit quieter on average. It's a cultural thing. He sometimes even looks like a priest, and his speeches have about as much energy as the Pope. Trump destabilized American domestic politics and Biden wants to stabilize it. + +It's kinda interesting how he does it. In some dimensions, he has governed more to the left than the left expected, folding in Bernie and basically running a quasi-Keynesian economic plan. It's not quite FDR in the late 30s but the almighty state is using its stick to steer investment into manufacturing to a level that has not happened in my lifetime. He kinda stole some of Trump's agenda there. But he's hard for the Republican base to attack too because he's an old white guy, so they just say he's senile or a puppet to a sinister cabal. But they fear him too and don't wanna chimp out either because they fear he will put the stick to them and "excommunicate" them from the holy mother church. + +https://youtu.be/NRt2cKvJLlE?t=92 [Embed] +--- 57869125 +>>57869072 +>Actually thinking Biden is catholic +Lmao +--- 57869315 +>>57867320 +>It would be gigantically retarded to then backstab the West and try to claim global hegemony +Less hope Xi and the chinese have learned something from their neighbour's retardation. +Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast. +--- 57869482 +>>57867486 +>believing Peter Zeihan +kek +KEKW +--- 57869566 +>>57856974 +>Economic (chip expensive, china no know how make good) +If at any point USA thinks that the invasion might result in China taking over Taiwan they will blow up all chip facilities. There is no scenario where China gets chip manufacturing out of this invasion. +--- 57869583 +>>57858049 +China might get to what TSNC produces right now in 5-8 years (super optimistic forecast). +--- 57869597 +>>57855471 +>far worse time to invade Ukraine when winter was in full swing +How can someone be this retarded? Winter is a fine time for an invasion. Mud season is, by far, the worst time to invade. +--- 57869817 +Basically. Its the same moment of reflection as after the Gulf War. + +Before 1991 China thought they could win any war just by having a massive army then in the Gulf War at Khafji you had 3 Iraqi divisions forced into retreat by a smaller USMC and Saudi blocking force then wiped out completely by air power as they retreated. +--- 57870007 +>>57854752 +You're looking at the problem in reverse. China is a net food (and energy) importer. The last two US administrations have been investing in bases that contain China within its limited sphere, most recently in the Philippines. The US doesn't have to break into China's A2AD bubble, China has to break out of our A2AD containment ring. +That does, in my opinion, increase the likelihood of conflict over Taiwan (as other anons have mentioned). Nation-state actors aren't entirely rational, and the likelihood of irrational actions increases if they feel backed into a corner (see Japan in 1941) +--- 57870154 +>>57856472 +Fuck you. +--- 57870366 +>>57853402 +>he doesn't realize how weak they have gotten vs China. +Example: China lauch 40Mil tonnage of ship each year. The US navy is 4.5Mil ton total. +China vs USA is reverse pacific war +--- 57870396 +>>57869583 +Nope he said China will surpass TSMC in 5-8 years. +--- 57870660 +>>57870366 +I can’t wait for ww3 to kick off so you guys can leave the board in droves after we turn the Chinese Navy into molten scrap. +--- 57870797 +>>57867406 +3T0 He my cop? + +what? +--- 57871183 +>>57870396 +No he didn't. That would be completely absurd. +--- 57871248 +>>57870366 +Crashing into a Russian sub 20 years ago means the US navy is bad? +--- 57871260 +>>57870797 +It's not a garbage can +--- 57871284 +>>57867590 +Fuck off neolib. The uke war wasn’t an open invite to libshit NAFO niggers +--- 57871647 +>>57871284 +Maybe cavemen like this aren't a good look either if you want to present yourself as better than libtards so maybe work on your own self image and public presences instead of raving on about stupid culture war shit, idiot +--- 57871695 +>>57871647 +No gun no opinion, fag, post your gun. +--- 57871730 +>>57867928 +Why? We were fed the line that Russia had a military almost equal to ours for decades and it turned out they're still in the 1980s. How could you trust any of this propaganda bullshit after that? +--- 57871891 +>>57870007 +Food no, fuel yes. It's not as straightforward is the longer answer, there's something about more than half of their food imports being either cheap GMO animal feed so they can have cheap pork and beef, or luxuries/non-essentials. +For everything else like grains, legumes, etc. they're (calorically) self-sufficient in. +They have campaigns to stop tens of million tons of food waste at this point that eventually became law a few years ago. Food issues for China were true maybe a decade ago-they aren't anymore. + +Energy is trickier, right now theyd only manage to meet current needs for a few years with something like 45% rationing of strategic reserves. That's assuming zero oil production of their own and that they won't be looking towards inland routes e.g. Russia so they aren't entirely cut off and can sustain reduced level of imports. They might be banking on the american public clamoring for peace before they run out assuming a quick air and sea war since a war with China is also economic MAD for them. + +All of this to say is that it's likely they'll be able to sustain this for a LONG time. Nationalist-authoritarian states like China have no issue with popular support to maintain this almost indefinitely until things reach a very high tolerance breaking point. +Can the same be said for the modern day US, with it's divided and increasingly isolationist population? It's barely been one year and you're already seeing pushback towards providing aid to Ukraine, to the point that suspension of aid will be an important wedge issue for Republicans to rally around. The political situation is just as important as the military one and politically the US has never been as insecure since the lead-up to the civil war. Food for thought +--- 57871931 +>>57871695 +You first troon. +--- 57871984 +>>57871730 +Last time I checked USSR wasn't the largest trading partner of the majority of nations and lagged far behind due to their command economy structure. China since Deng opened things up for partial liberalization hasn't suffered the same mistakes and made the country grow vastly richer in comparison, which feeds into their modernization programs. +Something like $60 billion alone goes towards their own ship maintenance for just one example of how they're taking this seriously especially after they saw how the gulf war played out. +--- 57872912 +>>57867946 +b...based? +--- 57872965 +>>57871248 +>Russian sub +Lol diff --git a/k/57853546.txt b/k/57853546.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..15017ca80bec19357517682b68d938cfc6efab07 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57853546.txt @@ -0,0 +1,597 @@ +----- +--- 57853546 +yum yum yum yum yum + +previous: >>57825807 → +--- 57853558 +They literally gave her the best girl award. +There was a ceremony and everything. +--- 57853579 +Why are Japanese anime girls singing Finnish folk songs so fucking cute? It doesn't make any sense. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gnZhEqcUE4 [Embed] +--- 57853598 +>>57853579 +>Finns are, as a people and a culture, worthy of our love and respect because of their profound autism +>Japanese anime girls are cute +>JPop and derivative vocaloids are cute +It's a symphony of autism and good vibes +I'm just glad that I'm around to enjoy it +--- 57853599 +Anime food always looks so good :P +--- 57853604 +>>57853599 +Should I watch M4's anime? +--- 57853605 +alright aussies and euros don't let the thread die +--- 57853617 +>>57853605 +>relying on Europe +I remember the last time I relied on the French +--- 57853644 +>>57853546 (OP) +Bocchi the cock +--- 57853652 +Teams doing team ops are cool. +--- 57853749 +>>57853579 +>>57853598 +When I was in Finland I was surprised by how much nip shit was everywhere, turns out the Finns are actually massive weeaboos which was just kinda funny to me. +--- 57853761 +>>57853749 +Ten thousand years ago some group of proto-Japanese hunter-gatherers must have branched off, traveled 5,000 miles through the steppe, and landed in Finland. +:DDDDD +--- 57853797 +>>57853761 +Wouldn't be the weirdest thing to ever happen, the only ethnic group with direct genetic ties to the Ainu people are the fucking Sentinelese Islanders. +--- 57853824 +Lord let me lust after brown girls, I promise to return to racism after +--- 57853827 +>>57853797 +Weird migrations happen. The Afanaseivo branched off from Ukraine about 5,000 years ago and landed in fucking Mongolia of all places. +--- 57854309 +>>57853604 +>Madness and Healing chapters +Yes. +>Anime +Not if you're expecting/wanting something good. Same goes for the manga it's based on imo. Also I believe they might also contradict parts of established canon in the game's story. +--- 57854515 +>>57853644 +Cock or something. +--- 57854613 +>>57853546 (OP) +Bocchi truly became the rock. +--- 57854649 +>Wonder what Blue Archive is so look it up +>"Students are required to carry personal weapons and smart phones! " +Neat, it's school in /k/ommandostan +--- 57854679 +>>57853604 +Hard no. Despite being an anime of the guncolle game they fucked up the guns at every turn, it was actually kind of funny seeing how many giga cursed M4s they could come up with. +--- 57854700 +>>57853569 +I wanna buy a shirt like this. What are they called? +--- 57854715 +>>57854700 +Anon, only women wear those kinds of shirts, are you biologically female? +--- 57854724 +>>57854715 +where's the law that says that I can't? +>femboy btw +--- 57855408 +>>57853546 (OP) +Did anyone go to the GuP thread an hour or so ago on /a/? +--- 57855694 +Reminder that jormungand is shit as both an anime and as /k/ content +--- 57856084 +*happy Finnish whistling in the distance* +--- 57856333 +>>57853697 +Absolutely mentally daijoubu. +--- 57856468 +kino +--- 57856687 +My wife +--- 57856884 +>>57853749 +blame it on several generations growing on THE BEST ANIME OF ALL TIMES: Moomins +--- 57856928 +>>57856687 +Sorry for the sloppy seconds anon I was in a hurry +--- 57856983 +>>57856687 +Imagine how popular a legal loli like Anzu is going to be in college. +--- 57857557 +My wife and her best friend +--- 57858177 +>>57857557 +Multiple creampies in both +--- 57858194 +>>57853604 +Watch the cutscenes on YT. Game has evolved into a stealth visual novel at this point. + +Like >>57854309 said the chibi meme shows are a riot...and gave use Junya. +--- 57858240 +>>57854679 +Poor PPS, they couldn't even give her the right gun +--- 57858254 +>>57853599 +Yeah I'm not eating off a charging handle +--- 57858373 +>>57854309 +>>57858194 +>Minimal effort silly gag shorts give us plenty of entertainment and one of the most beloved characters in the franchise +>Super serious full length show is considered a bad joke by everyone and only really gave us a quick meme about M4's cursed gun +--- 57858404 +>>57858373 +>One of +Word you are looking for is "the". +--- 57858419 +>>57858404 +Soppo herself seems to be marginally more popular +--- 57858459 +>>57858419 +¿Por qué no los dos? +--- 57858506 +>>57853827 +There's also some forced migrations like the Neo-Assyrians (or was it the Neo-Babylonians?) did. That's what the Exile in the OT was, after subjugating a nation they'd forcibly displace a good chunk of the population out of their homeland and import a bunch of foreigners (who had also been forcibly displaced from their homelands) there to replace them. The idea was to keep the conquered peoples too isolated and in lands they don't know very well (if at all) to formulate any successful rebellion against them. +Didn't really work because the Persians fucked them up and took all their lands but they did manage to spread Jews all over the place. +--- 57859086 +>>57856687 +>>57857557 +--- 57859132 +>>57859086 +it's worth the weight +--- 57859146 +>>57857557 +Anzu is so tiny +--- 57860303 +What is kissing a T-doll like? +--- 57860373 +>>57860303 +Salty coins & milk +--- 57860622 +>>57853579 +You are weak. +Let me show you real cuteness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKZ0xHIB08E [Embed] +--- 57860639 +>>57860622 +God bless these United States +--- 57860680 +>>57858459 +--- 57860712 +dunno if news made its way around here, but the scans for the patlabor manga have been completed and it's readable on mangadex +also for those who prefer archiving this stuff [spoiler]https://patlabormangatranslation.tumblr.com/[/spoiler] +--- 57860720 +>>57860622 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxw8xg1lpp4 [Embed] +--- 57860766 +>>57860712 +/m/anon... there's no spoiler tags on /k/... +--- 57860884 +>>57855408 +why do you ask? +--- 57861355 +>>57859132 +Look at this fatty, no wonder she is single. +--- 57861622 +Confessing to a dork! +--- 57861675 +>>57860712 +>>57860766 +honestly that makes his gesture even nicer to me. Came here to share Patlabor with us, what a good lad. +--- 57861917 +>>57861837 +Never used NVG... does it actually work like this +--- 57861944 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCUEu0zWSmk [Embed] + +most hapi +>t. spurdo +--- 57861965 +>>57853579 +That's just a bunch of gibberish though, there's not a single word in it. +--- 57861973 +>>57861917 +While to my understanding yes, you could theoretically pop the two tube sets into a pair of singles you'd need a whole new mount for that. The quad nods however funnel into two screens so no. But I'm not a 94, I'm a 91 +--- 57862009 +>>57861944 +I can't believe Germany is the ejaculate, and Russia... well. +--- 57862062 +>>57862009 +*braaaaaap* +t. shidded +--- 57862289 +>>57858114 +Kek +--- 57862845 +>>57861917 +>>57861973 +No, they are designed to be a single device there is no way to split them in a quick modular way to divide it up to be used by others. +You can probably take a part a quad NVG unit and re-use the night vision tubes if it is the same tube design that is being used in monocular or binocular housing. +The only other way to get this quick modular design would be to use two PVS-14 being used as a binocular setup and then you can split up the PVS-14s and give one to a friend and both of you will each have a PVS-14 as they are two separate devices with their own housing with a power source and lens assembly. +--- 57863386 +>>57853697 +I sure hope that's chocolate +--- 57863396 +>>57859146 +Anzu is so sexy. +--- 57863398 +>>57863386 +this is the cuisine thread! +of course it's chocolate! +--- 57863482 +>>57863386 +Or course it is +--- 57864320 +>>57860712 +THANK YOU ANON THANK YOU ANON I FUCKING LOVE PATLABOR thank you for letting me know. +--- 57864349 +>>57860303 +Like bags of sand +--- 57864637 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck4wUdFtAVY [Embed] + +Don't be afraid, John. +--- 57864652 +I want to impregnate 416! +--- 57864685 +>>57864652 +Why? +--- 57864703 +Beef jerky +--- 57864735 +>>57853558 +what season this from, road to berlin? +--- 57864756 +FUCK cops +--- 57864780 +>>57864756 +no thanks +>female military personnel +>female law enforcement +STAY AWAY +because you know THE BOYS ON THE FORCE are saying +>thank you for you cervix +you don't want to get in there with that + +one exception +you are a mounted policeman, and you have a state issued horse gf +--- 57864782 +>>57864703 +beef jerky with lint stuck to it... +--- 57864795 +>>57864735 +Season 1 episode 7, the pantsu thieving episode. +The whole episode is a parody of a real incident where Hartmann stole Hitler's hat at a medal ceremony. +--- 57864798 +>>57864782 +it's in a little ziplock bag +she knows I don't want to get my pockets all greasy and that I might not want to eat it will later +--- 57864830 +>>57864703 +>So, you been doing this a while? +>yup... +>Cool, imagine you know your way around these hills pretty well, huh? +>yup... +>Uh, right, so you make all this jerky yourself? +>yup... +>Where do you get the meat for it? +>shoot it... +>Oh, so it's deer jerky? +>Yup... +>...Is "yup" the only thing you know how to say? +>[slightest hint of a shit eating grin crosses her stoic face] yup... +--- 57864843 +>>57864795 +Erica going down the stairs rail was the best part of that episode +--- 57864853 +>>57864830 +nice thing about hunter girls as that pretty much universally they had a very present father figure in their lives who was willing to spend time with them +--- 57864878 +>>57864843 +Very unsanitary. +I hope someone disinfected that rail afterwards. +(Don't have the webm version) +--- 57864919 +>farm girls +>hunter girls +oh yeah +now we're cookin' with oil +--- 57864927 +What are some good anime/manga about the military? +--- 57864945 +>>57864927 +real militaries or fictional ones +--- 57864951 +>>57864927 +ABOUT the military? +you'll find that there is very little anime/manga actually telling a grounded story about any actual modern military +there's grounded k-animes + +I've been sitting here for a minute and I can't think of one that is both about a grounded real world military doing realistic things in a realistic setting +--- 57864963 +>>57864927 +marine corps yumi is good up until the part where moreno stops translating it herself, may god bless her soul +--- 57864988 +>>57856884 +why is moomin being tazed in the balls? +--- 57865008 +>>57864988 +He's receiving tribulation from the heavens as punishment for having homoerotic thoughts about Snufkin. +--- 57865030 +>>57864988 +A wizard cast a spell upon him +>Explode your dick and small your ass, get bent loser. +PENIS BLAST +--- 57865054 +>>57865008 +Mmm, sauna +--- 57865064 +>>57864945 +A realistic portrayal of the military +--- 57865068 +>>57865054 +sauna +--- 57865077 +>>57865054 +I want to copulate with sweaty sauna witches +--- 57865122 +>>57865064 +I don't think there has been even one (1) single anime about the real military. There may be an independently published manga, but if there is it never received an adaptation. + +unless you count Gate where a frankly fictional portrayal of the JSDF takes on fantasy Romans and dragons +but that's straying from reality enough that I don't think it really counts + +If you're hoping for an anime telling a grounded military story set in the modern era you will be sorely disappointed. I guess it should be no wonder given how demilitarized the Japs became as a society during all of anime's existence. +--- 57865144 +>>57864878 +I have it +--- 57865155 +>>57865144 +Something tells me you aren't in the mood to share. +--- 57865178 +>>57865008 +>>57865054 +After having tasted the joys of a sauna in Finland I kinda want to build my own now +--- 57865200 +>>57865178 +My uncle who moved up to NH ended up building his own. Said it pretty much cured his wife's terrible allergies she'd get every year during winter. +>Sam Hyde said the closest he's ever come to a true religious/spiritual experience was in a sauna after an intense workout +Everyone who tries the sauna seems to love it and fully endorse it. Go for it. +--- 57865333 +https://www.sako.global/coming-soon + +What did they mean by this? Surely they're not gonna sell a civilian version of their new rifles... are they? +--- 57865408 +>>57854700 +The Big E is a place in mass that's an expo. +One of the vendors there will definitely sell these shirts. Prepare for over priced to hell though. +Weird seeing it worn by a drawn anime Steve on a Mongolian basket weaving form of all places. +https://www.thebige.com/ +--- 57865595 +>>57865155 +Too lewd for here +--- 57865628 +>>57853546 (OP) +You have zero humanity if you enjoy watching Moeshitter shows. For most of human history, the stories passed down for generations have largely been epics in the form of religious prose, poetry, or song. This is because people enjoy hearing a good story of heroes and warriors triumphing over evil, getting past obstacles and going on a long journey like the Odyssey or the Epic of Gilgamesh. From these old stories came derivations which birthed genres like comedy, tragedy, satire, romance etc. These ancient stories have persevered in the modern era and has given forth new stories in the anime industry. Shounen as a genre is as big as it is because it has the same themes that make it comparable to an ancient epic. Romance and comedy come after because they too share these characteristics. But with Moetrash, you don't get any of that historical tradition. You have a group of cute girls doing nothing for as many chapters as possible. They do normal life activities like school or hanging out but contextualized with terrible satirical writing from a 40 year old otaku mangaka who never had a social life and thus can only guess how a young japanese girl would act. You as a reader are only observing boring and ordinary people and come away with no sense of awe or wonder. Really, you just consume a fictional character's life like a mindless normalfaggot browsing their favorite celebrity on IG. And while every reader has vicariously lived through the characters they enjoy, what does the moeshitter worship? A hero? A villain? A tragic character? No one. Just a retarded 14 year old chuuni girl written as a terrible overused trope. +I will never watch a single episode of moeshit ever in my entire life. + +TDLR, run, fast. +--- 57865654 +>>57865628 +Yeah except I'm physically stronger than you and faster than you. Your opinions mean nothing since you're so physically weak. +>inb4 I'm replying to copypasta bait +--- 57865663 +>>57865628 +Anyone have any duct-tape? The DBZ/S threads are leaking. +--- 57865712 +>>57865628 +Shut the fuck up communist. +--- 57865817 +>>57865333 +>sako coming soon +--- 57865846 +>>57865333 +>INTRODUCING THE ALL NEW SAKO 15-22 +>it's a .22lr blowback rifle that vaguely resembles the AR-thing they're making +>made by umarex +calling it now +--- 57865915 +>>57865883 +booba ass impregnation nakadashi harem sexoooooooooooooooooooooooo +--- 57865931 +>>57865883 +>Mafia +Love girls in suits +--- 57865936 +what website can i watch anime 4 free which don't grab my ip and install bitcoin minor +--- 57865958 +>>57865936 +just torrent it +--- 57865960 +>>57865936 +qbittorrent.org + nyaa.si +--- 57865964 +>>57865936 +I'm too lazy to even torrent +I use 9anime . id +--- 57865983 +>>57854724 +The laws of God +--- 57865991 +>>57865628 +Don't worry sport, middle school is pretty hellish but things get better in high school +--- 57866007 +>>57865200 +Where can I go to experience saunas like that? Do steam rooms at spas / expensive gyms compare? +--- 57866016 +>>57865936 +Install adnauseam and use 9 anime.to works fine for me +--- 57866028 +>>57864830 +You a woman or something? +Why you talking so much? +Shut the fuck up and eat the jerkey. +I can only imagine how much you would ruin a hunting trip. +--- 57866039 +>>57865931 +>suit +We can go cuter +--- 57866045 +>>57865958 +what if the cia put a rookit in the torrent + +>>57866016 +>>57865960 +>>57865964 +will it grab my ip +--- 57866053 +>>57866045 +9anime.id probably doesnt do any mischievous +just deny all cookie requests and clear your cache every now and then and youll be fine +--- 57866057 +always good to be careful +--- 57866061 +First of all, I want to impregnat Major Kusanagi from Ghost in the Shell. + +Secondly, has anyone ever read the original GITS manga from the late 80's and 90's? How is it? I've heard it's a lot lighter in tone than any of the GITS since then, but is it so light that it's actually detrimental? +--- 57866085 +>>57866045 +With adnauseam no, and it will click on all the ads in the background to fuck with tracking +--- 57866088 +>>57866028 +I'm actually the guy who usually says "yup" or "nope" to everything, I just wanted a funny greentext as an example as what I imagine "almost mute" means. Daily life with a reindeer girl would be extremely quiet, imagine the intro to a King Of The Hill episode but after Dale says yup they just stand there for the next 12 hours. +--- 57866122 +>>57866088 +>many words +Yeah +--- 57866170 +>>57866122 +Technically not talking though +--- 57866180 +Anyone know which axe this is based off? +--- 57866217 +>>57866180 +Cool image, makes me want to play The Long Drive +--- 57866281 +>>57866180 +looks similar to RMJ tactical tomahawks. +--- 57866423 +>>57866286 +I like corvids +--- 57866881 +>>57861917 +yeah +--- 57866982 +Communist sex gremlin +--- 57868431 +>>57866982 +She's MY sex gremlin +--- 57868791 +>>57868431 +Lickable nips +--- 57869093 +>>57868431 +Blue board, anon +--- 57870256 +>>57868431 +Haha I bet they don't sell uniforms in her size +--- 57870439 +Still don't know why the weeb gun world lost it's shit over these tacticool hoodies +--- 57870454 +>>57870439 +It's just that one artist who made them who keeps shilling them, and it worked. +--- 57870543 +>>57853797 +Seriously? I'd like to read about that. +--- 57870565 +>>57863386 +Gelbooru tags say it is. +She got chocolate from the other girl and has been caught…exfoliating herself with it. +--- 57870572 +>>57865008 +Homoerotic thoughts bout Snufkin is just part of growing up. +--- 57870581 +>>57853827 +>>57858506 +And the Aztecs originated in Utah and wandered south until they landed in Mexico. +--- 57870636 +>>57870543 +This guy goes into the basics, basically the Ainu belong to haplogroup D, which is found in small concentrations around Tibet and Burma but the second highest frequency outside of Japan is the Andaman Islands (most well known for the Sentinelese) +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFohbr7ALeQ [Embed] +--- 57870700 +I want to impregnate 416! +--- 57870765 +>>57870700 +I want to impregnate the Albanian and make many weird toed babies! +Do you think men carry babies in their prostates or their testicles? +--- 57870782 +>>57866045 +Buddy, every website you visit grabs your IP. It has to in order to know where to send the data that makes up the user interface let alone anything you download. +--- 57870820 +>>57870782 +You're trying to explain basic shit to a privacyfag, that's a losing battle, these people can't seem to comprehend the fact that any internet connection by it's very nature won't be secure. +--- 57870837 +>>57870765 +The prostate has a fold that would have developed into a womb had he the rest of the Y chromosome. +--- 57871007 +>>57870256 +>Haha I bet they don't sell uniforms in her size +They don't, that's why Lend Lease exists. +--- 57871073 +>>57864795 +The fact that some guys made the effort to decensor that episode was one of the singular most based moments in all of fansubbing history. +--- 57871110 +>>57871073 +That actually happened? I thought it was a fever dream because I only ever saw that version the one time. +--- 57871125 +>>57871007 +I don't think I've ever seen a flattie in an American flag bikini before. What a treasure. + +>>57871073 +blessed witch autism +--- 57871143 +>>57871110 +It's 100% real, I still have that version buried on some external hdd, because the flame needs to be carried on for future generations. +--- 57871147 +>>57871007 +Imagine the group sexxo +--- 57871282 +>>57871125 +Only 4 stars on Katyusha +--- 57872076 +I want to impregnate 416! +--- 57872251 +>>57872076 +--- 57872479 +>>57853697 +>be admiral +>on the way to your room +>what's all the noise +>Kongou runs down the hallway +>chased by a naked, chocolate-covered Haruna +>Hiei is probably in the kitchen, cooking something that has the potential to bring down a whole local ecosystem +Just another normal day at the naval base +--- 57872549 +>>57872479 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4ongdjMgfs [Embed] +--- 57872629 +>>57871147 +This guy draws Katyusha with huge thighs and it's pretty hot. +--- 57872764 +>>57870700 +--- 57872793 +>>57866180 +>>57866281 +what this anon said, closest might be RMJ Tac Tomahawk or possibly a Winkler, Ontario Knife Co, or Blackside Customs design +--- 57872839 +>>57871125 +Alisa does it better +--- 57872891 +>>57871282 +A woman would need glorious giantess proportions to fit all 50... +--- 57872986 +cock? +--- 57873003 +>>57872839 +Gross, here's a better Alisa pic diff --git a/k/57853979.txt b/k/57853979.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..73e1174627437cce6ce40ab2c1ac8b470fba63f0 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57853979.txt @@ -0,0 +1,470 @@ +----- +--- 57853979 +AK General /akg/ +Ivan Meets GI Joe Edition +>Thread #1927 + +Old Thread:>>57805305 → +--- 57853990 +AK Buyer's Guides +>New +https://based-bin.netlify.app/paste/61fbe5f3-62e8-42fd-8e3b-872be276edb1 +>Rifles +https://thinlineweapons.com/wiki/index.php/SimpleBuyersGuide +>Magazines +https://thinlineweapons.com/wiki/index.php/AK_Mag_Buyers_Guide#Quality +--- 57854536 +>>57853979 (OP) +lets say you got an ak74, what optic would you use and why +--- 57854594 +>>57854536 +Probably a holosun/primary arms red dot because I don't really care about optics. +--- 57854604 +>>57854536 +primary arms 3x or 2x with the 5.56/5.45 reticle +--- 57854610 +>>57854604 +>and why +oh yeah, because it's good +--- 57854616 +Where are the pioneer bros at? +--- 57854622 +>>57854536 +Because reasons +--- 57854730 +>>57854622 +I like it. Is the nvg scope worth the 1,500k to cop? +--- 57854764 +>>57854730 +Idk about that particular scope but the Hungarian/polish ones go for about 400 +--- 57854864 +>>57853979 (OP) +Washington fags, time has been bought for you: +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LBv4_H0Ejk [Embed] +--- 57854894 +Doing stalker challenge tonight. Canoeing across the lake quietly to an abandoned island where I'll camp over night then come back at dawn. Will make thread tomorrow this is to confirm my phone will post without issue later. +--- 57854982 +>>57854894 +Godspeed anon. +--- 57855314 +>>57854894 +Fare thee well, O Minnehaha! +>On the clear and luminous water +>Launched his birch canoe for sailing, +>From the pebbles of the margin +>Shoved it forth into the water; +>Whispered to it, "Westward! westward!" +>And with speed it darted forward. + +>And the evening sun descending +>Set the clouds on fire with redness, +>Burned the broad sky, like a prairie, +>Left upon the level water +>One long track and trail of splendor, +>Down whose stream, as down a river, +>Westward, westward Hiawatha +>Sailed into the fiery sunset, +>Sailed into the purple vapors, +>Sailed into the dusk of evening +--- 57855327 +>>57854616 +Here +--- 57855331 +>>57854616 +--- 57855442 +>>57854864 +His channel has been such a godsend for my smooth brain. +--- 57855491 +>>57854864 +Never forgetti +--- 57855655 +>>57855491 +>why do representatives from areas full of people who want gun control voting for gun control +Wild +--- 57855704 +>>57854894 +Stay by the fire anon, if you hear any cries for help or strange noises keep your gun close +--- 57855726 +>>57855491 +Strange I keep hearing how democrats are actually progun +--- 57855982 +>>57855655 +what it means to be demoshart +--- 57856588 +>>57854536 +acog with m193 reticle, matches almost perfectly with 7n6 +--- 57856643 +>>57855442 +Nice photo +--- 57856681 +>>57854894 +What do you think the strange indiscernible noises of the zone are? The randon groans and shudders? +--- 57856769 +>>57855442 +Whooops +I didn't know. +But, a nice picture. +--- 57857118 +stalker was a success, some weird sounding birds last night but no skinwalkers. Had to sneaky canoe around the wildlife officer on the way there and the way back but pretty sure he was just asleep in the patrol boat or watching tv on his phone. This islands totally uninhabited and a real bitch to get to, only "accessible" by canoe. It takes half an hour of skipping the canoe over mangrove and swamp weeds before you can reach shore. It's literally impossible for a boat with a motor to reach it, so wildlife officer or police couldn't get to you even if they wanted to. You'd need paratroopers or another retarded guy on a canoe to come get me. Might start bringing some pallets with me and build a permanent little base out here. +--- 57857205 +>>57855726 +real democrats has never been tried +--- 57857605 +To the anon that needed info on the type 56, what info did you need? +--- 57859287 +hope you're all having a comfy weekend thus far. +--- 57859326 +>>57857605 +not him but i recall he was asking about the /56\ arsenal and its rarity. not sure he saw my reply on the end of the last thread or not. +--- 57859374 +>>57854894 +Was just looking at your thread, nicely done, very based. Used to be a lot of cool sites to stalk when I lived in Alabama but I'm down by the Everglades now so not many options. I'd go out in glades (not during summer) if I had an airboat and a fren to larp with down here. Its loaded with gators and snakes including pythons but there is solid ground out there to setup camp on. I'd only sleep on the ground with rotating watch. Would be pretty epic stalker challenge though. +--- 57859473 +>>57855442 +Terrible rivets +--- 57859546 +>>57859473 +this dude said he got his rifle sent away like 5 months ago to fix those absolute shit done rivets and still continues to post that exact picture. I highly doubt he even got them fixed and he just said that to get people off his ass for buying/ making garbage. +--- 57859550 +>>57856681 +It is almost certainly foxes. Foxes make absolutely ghoulish sounds, and their vocal range goes from deep grunting to what sounds like women being stabbed to death. Plus they are stealthy and will just pop up in random places without you noticing, and ghost just as fast. On top of that, they have shockingly loud vocalizations. +--- 57859639 +Sup +--- 57861100 +beryls when +--- 57861250 +Hello, fellow slavaboos. How much would y’all pay for an Izhevsk M91/59 Mosin in good shape but probably refinished? I know the M91/59 is relatively rare, so I expect a bit more than standard Mosin price. +--- 57861495 +>>57856769 +what the fuck +--- 57861522 +thinking im gonna build a romanian md.65, I've got a virgin romanian barrel here and i found a local seller getting rid of an all matching parts kit for a decent price. it'll pair nice with my mak90 and wasr +--- 57861539 +Just got my pm90 back from NW gun supply. It's perfect bros. Romy chrome barrel, all matching. They really do some excellent work. Gonna go magdump it at a pile of trash tmrw. +--- 57861571 +>>57861539 +very nice looking gun +--- 57861822 +My first AK is on the way to my LGS. + +How badly would the Romanians turn in their graves if I put Soviet Russian furniture on my Romanian AK? The pettiness of eastern Europeans is a force only rivaled by the fury of the sun itself... +--- 57861864 +>>57854764 +Oh my fucking god thank you brother. That is way more affordable and will be perfect for larping while camping innawoods. +--- 57861954 +Is there a way to properly shoulder my sk rifle and still use iron sights with muffs that I'd use from the range I go to. Or should I just get a mount and put a red dot on it? +--- 57862151 +>>57861571 +Thanks anon they really did it justice. Cleaned the rust out of the folding mechanism, painted every nook and cranny. +--- 57862197 +>>57856769 +>>57859473 +>>57859546 +Correct it's the same guy, me. It's been 9 months though. I don't have any new pics yet but when I do the rivets are primo, I've seen em. In a previous /akg/ I summarized the plethora of issues this rifle has/had. On the bright side though, it SHOULD be done by Tuesday barring any more issues. Should. +I got a new phone and don't have any pictures either, no pics and no memes. Rip +--- 57862247 +Are AKs still adequate for militaries? I've looked at the body of AK-12 that is going to get introduced to Russian, Indian etc. forces and the main body just looks like some prototype pried out of the hands of some ww2 corpse, selector and everything. +--- 57862396 +>>57861822 +I put soviet Russian furniture on my Pioneer lmao. >>57855327 +Who cares what you do. As long as you like the look of it that’s what matters. Purists be damned. +--- 57862502 +>>57854616 +>>57855327 +>>57855331 +Are pioneer bros really a thing? I'm confused +--- 57862514 +>>57862151 +What parts did you use for 922r? +--- 57862537 +>>57862514 +My dick and two balls, fedboi. +--- 57862883 +>>57862197 +Just finished my 74 Bulgarian kit build on a Childers receiver. +Went with plum ruskie furniture. +I using a green Bulgie sling but will get a Ruskie stag sling which looks like what you have. +Deciding on which type of paint ti use. +I'm leaning towards Brownells bake on gun kote. +I wanted to order some of the paint from russianpaint dot net to try but......... +Get those dimple rivets fixed and then +Your going to have a Really Nice rifle anon.... +--- 57862979 +>>57862832 +Nice thread stalkerfag ;) +--- 57863029 +>>57854536 +I went with a UPO-1 and haven’t regretted it +--- 57863273 +Should I just get a mount and slaps dot on my ak so I can at least not deal with the muffs squishing Into my face when I try to use the iron sights? +--- 57863301 +>>57863273 +I just wear ear plugs under mine so that isn’t an issue +--- 57863453 +>>57863301 +Only range I have is an indoor range since all the other outdoor ranges are an hour or 2 drive. +--- 57863849 +>>57861539 +Is that normal for this stock to move slightly to the right? Like you can force and push slightly to the right? +--- 57864019 +I forgot what model it is, but I have an Arsenal US converted Saiga in 7.62x39 with a fixed stock that has never been shot. Is it worth more than any other stamped AK? +--- 57864043 +>>57864019 +Figure out what model it is you penis. If it's a slabside it's worth less. If it's dimpled it's worth more. +--- 57864086 +Pretty sure it’s dimpled. +--- 57864098 +I finally got around to building a trigger tansfer for my bullpup project. What have you done today /AKG? +--- 57864111 +>>57864098 +Look at parts I need to order before WA state passes its fagass new law. +--- 57864129 +>>57853979 (OP) +Based thread +--- 57864134 +>>57864098 +i cleaned my underfolder then had sex with a latina and now i'm watching ufc fights +--- 57864140 +>>57855655 +lolwut +they dont vote for gun control, they vote for gibs and citizenship that comes with gun control +--- 57864142 +Should I just get a mount for my ak? +--- 57864151 +>>57864098 +The fact that no autist has made Groza kits makes me sad. +--- 57864153 +>>57864129 +based +--- 57864199 +>>57864151 +Seriously, even the airshit version is like 3k and I would only want it to mock up parts +--- 57864293 +>>57864151 +Are you new? Theres a 3 year old thread on the files where a guy built most of the parts, presold them, half delivered then cucked out. Another autist picked up where he left off and is currently cranking out kits as we speak. +--- 57864438 +>>57864098 +Based anon. I'm the autist who's been spamming bullpup dracos the last few weeks. I got my AKU kit mounted up. + +>smoked my forehead on my red dot because I had my face too close to it +>the rear sight rail mount is finniky +>the handguardsdont fit great and wiggle a lot +>the dust cover with the cheek rest doesn't fit and flew off after the first shot +>pic not related, I dont post my guns on here + +I'm still working on it tho +--- 57864486 +>>57864438 +man that would suck if you had a squib and it exploded, also enjoy a face full of gas there's a reason nobody uses bullpup AK's in large numbers +--- 57864533 +My trunnion moved. +--- 57864554 +>>57864533 +zpap butter wood + super tight fitment = shit getting doinked, your trunnion's riveted in that shit's going nowhere lol +--- 57864564 +>>57864533 +Not the first time thst has happened with that furniture. Put a surplus Yugo boat oar stock on it. +--- 57864591 +>>57864486 +>>57864438 +>man that would suck if you had a squib and it exploded, also enjoy a face full of gas there's a reason nobody uses bullpup AK's in large numbers + +yeah maybe. it would be cool tho +--- 57864595 +>>57864554 +No man I really believe it shifted. The button is against the receiver to where it needs to be hammered with a punch now, no amount of kroil and cleaning has loosened it. But you are still half right the stock is ass and the bolt constantly walked out (2nd time it did with loc tite). +>>57864564 +I do want one. +--- 57864627 +haven't actually seen one even in pictures yet but do any anons have a Plum mold 88 mag? hopefully sending off my 1988 izzy kit soon and it'd be neat to get one for it. +--- 57864639 +>>57864595 +Reach out to Zastava USA and tell them about the broken stock and the button. They’ll most likely take care of it for you and give you a new stock too. +--- 57864665 +>>57864595 +damn son, that's brutal. haven't heard of that happening yet but like the other anon said, let them know and they should take care of you. common yugo L I suppose. +--- 57864732 +>>57864639 +>>57864665 +Will do then, I just bought it back in January and was only about 700 rds into it. +--- 57864909 +>>57864591 +there used to be a kit to convert your AK into this but it had an 8lb trigger that sucked ass +--- 57864987 +>>57864533 +Did you read the owners manual first? +--- 57865040 +>>57864987 +Son of a bitch, I sure did not. +--- 57865102 +>>57865040 +Well my boy there's your problem. +--- 57865127 +>>57864098 +cleaning gun and equipment after stalkering. dropped loaded magazine in lake and it completely filled with water. I shook the water out and just put it back in the pouch until I got back. Dried all the ammo, took apart the mag and dried it out, oiled the mag a little bit. Thank goodness that was using barnaul which has like an enamel over the steel case. Tula would;ve made such a bigger mess. None of my rounds rusted or varnished at all +--- 57865247 +>>57864909 +I haven't measured the trigger but it's really not that bad. Fitting the kit to the pistol is the tricky part, everything's a bit rattily for now. It looks like parts of the handguards have been filed by a previous owner so there's material missing. +--- 57865299 +>>57865127 +Love me Barnaul, I'll always prefer lacquer cases over the powdered shit. Also leaves the ammo equivalent to cheeto dust on your hands. I normally only buy the powder coated if I'm about to shoot all of it in not long after. Granted, that's more it's intention over being stored away for any length. +--- 57865341 +>>57862502 +I was tempted to join by getting the 5.56 but opted for a WBP 7.62 as my first + +I'll give it a couple more months of field use by other anons before I'll get it, but I've only heard relatively positive things about it +--- 57865415 +>>57864909 +>>57864098 +These complaints are why I started this trigger transfer bar from 1/16 steel. I cut a general shape and worked it down. The final connection to the trigger is done through a z shaped cam the transfers the front back motion to more of a front down pull. Technically i can use different lenghth "cams" for a different pull with this design. +--- 57865571 +How much energy am I losing with a 12.5" 7.62x39 compared to a 16"? Compared to 5.56" out of a 14.5" is 7.62x39 out of a 12.5" going to net me any advantage? +--- 57865755 +>>57865341 +>Almost got the Pioneer 5.56 but got the 7.62 WBP instead +anon I think most here would agree you made the right choice +--- 57865772 +>>57865571 +Not much. 7.62x39 depends a lot less on barrel length for velocity than 5.56 does +--- 57865996 +>>57865571 +I read somewhere that 7.62x39 breaks down like this: +>SKS with a 20.5" barrel averages around 2400fps at the muzzle +>AK with a 16" barrel averages around 2350 FPS at the muzzle +>Draco with an 11.5" barrel averages around 2150 FPS at the muzzle +>Mini Draco with a 7.5" barrel averages around 1950 FPS at the muzzle +It loses about 500 FPS when going from a full length rifle barrel to a short rifle/pistol length barrel which iirc superior to 5.56 with it's smaller projectile. +--- 57866114 +>>57865996 +Thanks, that's mostly what I'm seeing as well. I have a 16" ak103 now and am not happy with the weight and balance after having set it up to be on par with my ar capability wise. I think I'll look at getting a 104 when possible since it retains much of the energy while weighing 1.5lbs less with less leverage penalty. +--- 57866255 +>>57866114 +np. you can find a lot of good info by scrolling old boomer forums from like 2000-2010. lots of old 90s websites also have great infographics made by early internet gun autists. +>Thanks, that's mostly what I'm seeing as well. I have a 16" ak103 now and am not happy with the weight and balance after having set it up to be on par with my ar capability wise. I think I'll look at getting a 104 when possible since it retains much of the energy while weighing 1.5lbs less with less leverage penalty. +see >>57864591 +--- 57866459 +>>57862502 +I bought one just for shits and gigs. So far it’s been fine. I did have to modify the magwell to accept steel mags but other than that it’s been fine. Maybe a bit overgassed but no better or worse than a WASR. +--- 57866592 +>>57866459 +Yeah except it says pioneer on it and has a dimple. Sorry but those crooked WASR rifles are just rock solid 98% of the time +--- 57866729 +>>57866592 +>all those rails +>not a thing on em +Many such cases! +--- 57866784 +>>57861539 +moly resin looks like shit. that looks like a fucking wasr lmao +--- 57866926 +>>57866784 +>that cugir looks like a cugir! +--- 57867008 +Tapco anon, if you've got the SAW grip, galil stock and handguard all in black, I'm willing to take it off your hands. +--- 57867648 +>>57854616 +Reporting in. Nearly 2k rounds on my 556 and my firing pin just broke. Need a beryl fp for replacement. +--- 57868527 +>>57862514 +>What parts did you use for 922r? +kek +--- 57869259 +>>57863849 +Not sure man. When the stock is locked up on mine it doesn't budge. +--- 57869724 +>>57861539 +Where did you get the Romy barrel and how much did you pay? I need to get my kit built too. +--- 57869821 +>>57861539 +Also did Corey put a PSA fcg and hammer in yours? He did for me even though I sent enough parts for 922r (furniture, mag, receiver). For some reason, I can’t get the hammer pin out either so I’m stuck with it. I think the Childers receiver may be out of spec or something. No idea but that sumbitch is stuck in there. He offered to fix his mistake but he wants me to pay for the shipping, which will be about a $50 ride each way. Kinda left a bad taste in my mouth, not sure if I’ll send him the rest of my kits or just buy a press and build them out myself. +--- 57869923 +>>57864627 +There are no mold 88 mags, highest mold number they’ve used are late 50s and those are all black mags. +--- 57870363 +Gonna finally build my Beretta AK. 5.56 NATO AK chads where ya at?! +--- 57870647 +>>57870363 +Beretta doesn't make AKs you retard. You bought some shit east European no name kit didn't you? +--- 57870906 +>>57869923 +Had the nagging suspicion myself. That’s for killing a small part of my aesthetic vision anon. +--- 57870976 +>>57869821 +>I can’t get the hammer pin out +did you take out the retainer plate? +Try a hammer and punch. If you cant remove a stuck pin yourself I hate to tell you that ak's might not be for you. +--- 57871056 +So besides very expensive parts kits we can never expect to see AK-12 stateside can we? I wouldn't mind an AK-12 in 5.56 +--- 57871228 +>>57871056 +psa will clone it in 5.56 mark my words +--- 57871400 +>>57869724 +Got it on the files. I've got another one I'd sell ya for 200 bucks +--- 57871426 +>>57870647 +He's probably building an AR70/90 as they are sometimes considered AK variants. +--- 57871573 +>>57867648 +is that usual? I've got 10k through my wasr and I haven't had anything break yet. +--- 57871581 +shiiet you niggas know i had to cop dat draco wit da banana clip +--- 57871762 +I want a type56s-2 with a spiker and Chinese selector markings like you wouldn’t believe. +--- 57871874 +>>57871573 +It’s normal for cope AKs +--- 57872086 +bullpup Century GP1975 at my local gun shop for $700, should i or are these pieces of shit +--- 57872176 +>>57872086 +Its a rare piece of shit id buy it +--- 57872201 +>>57872086 +They're WASR 10/63s dressed up in bullpup kits. $700 is a good price. For comparison, my LGS had one as well but they wanted $2,500 for it. It sold eventually too +--- 57872268 +>>57853979 (OP) +No I dont live in a cuck mag state +--- 57872280 +>>57864533 +Told ya nigs to never trust the serbs after they managed to """""""""lose"""""""""" a couple of their shit guns that ended up in shitskin hands in Paris yet here we are. +--- 57872394 +>>57861954 +Why wouldn't you be able to shoulder the rifle properly with earmuffs on? +--- 57872424 +>>57861954 +You aiming with your left eye? +--- 57872601 +>>57871573 +No, it's a cheapo polish whore Ak. I wouldn't expect any of my military factory aks to have broken firing pins within 5k. +--- 57872673 +>>57872086 +I would in a heartbeat. The kits themselves are damn near impossible to find. I paid about $250 for the one by itself. +--- 57872690 +>>57872268 +you got fat toes nigga. what optic is that? +--- 57872718 +>>57872280 +What are you talking about? +--- 57872742 +>>57872690 +Agm rattler TS50-384 LRF varmit +3700$ +--- 57872895 +>>57870976 +Yeah, did both while in a vise and zip tied the hammer spring to relieve tension. Not my first rodeo replacing 922r FCGs for surplus, but I’ve never built before so idk. Comes out a hair and then gets stuck on the shoulder of the pin. No amount of wiggling or mallet striking will remove it. +--- 57872924 +>>57872268 +How does the fabdefense mag work? +--- 57873085 +>>57859287 +nice collection, would do things to your Bulgarian 74 if left alone with it +--- 57873181 +>>57869233 +>>57869305 +Ill raise you a Kurdish communista +--- 57873275 +>>57873181 +--- 57873286 +>>57871581 +Sheeiitt .. El Royial, My Nigga.. diff --git a/k/57856696.txt b/k/57856696.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..18112fa6da465965329bc06f02116a13957e90d5 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57856696.txt @@ -0,0 +1,958 @@ +----- +--- 57856696 +Explain to me, how can a retarded zoomer access top secret documents within 3 years of basic service? +If it's that easy, doesn't this mean any 3rd world secret service has access to them, too? +--- 57856704 +>>57856696 (OP) +The launch codes will be leak within the next 5 years +--- 57856734 +its fort Bragg, dude +People who serve there are extremely arrogant, thinking they are the best of the best of the best and that they control the world +--- 57856740 +>>57856696 (OP) +because it's all a psyop +--- 57856748 +>>57856740 +Same, Im pretty convinced that either this guy is a fall guy and will be "convicted" but wont actually be, or hes a dumb faggot that got his hands on some bait that glowies laid down for retards to pick up. +--- 57856751 +>>57856740 +funny that you say it because divisions responsible for psy ops are stationed at Fort Bragg +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_Psychological_Operations_Group +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8th_Psychological_Operations_Group +--- 57856773 +>>57856751 +And? +--- 57856781 +>>57856740 +Meds +--- 57856786 +>>57856740 +Exactly, people (and Russians) are retarded +--- 57856788 +>>57856748 +Once he gets executed for treason, what would you said? CGI I suppose isn't it anon? Ai deepfake? +--- 57856800 +>>57856781 +>>57856788 +glowie shill force spotted +--- 57856804 +>>57856696 (OP) +A lot of supposedly 100% digital, efficient and secure systems basically run on low-tier personnel scanning papers, sending faxes and whatever back and forth. The management is just too retarded to demand or design a system that works without this kind of labor, and someone has to carry the data across the gaps. +Wasn't this guy basically doing that? +--- 57856805 +>>57856773 +They just used this fool to ""Leak"" this data to this fall guy. None of those papers actually present any threat to US, as if they cherrypicked to serve US intrest. +Didn't you notice how happily media was covering this leak? When NEEDED, American media can keep their mouth shut, as if there is a mouth gag - like when Hersh reported on US involvment in Nord Stream 2 bombings - American media was ignoring it, never mentioning it, as if they got the order to blacklist this story from their pages. But with this leak - it was as if they got deliberate order to cover this "leak" and talk about it non stop. Anyone with a working brain understands whats happening here. +--- 57856814 +>>57856805 +>Hersh +meds now +--- 57856815 +>>57856800 +Thanks for posting the propaganda for me, you made it easy this day ;) +--- 57856820 +>>57856814 +Glowing harder than the sun +--- 57856821 +>>57856788 +They'll probably just give him the Manning treatment and throw his ass into Leavenworth for a decade or two. +--- 57856823 +>>57856814 +>On December 22, 1974, Hersh exposed Operation CHAOS, a massive CIA program of domestic wiretapping and infiltration of anti-war groups during the Nixon administration, which was conducted in direct violation of the agency's charter. Hersh reported that dossiers had been compiled on at least 10,000 American citizens, including congressmen; the government eventually conceded the figure was closer to 300,000. He wrote 34 more articles on the story over the next months; they prompted the formation of the Rockefeller Commission and Church Committee, which investigated covert CIA operations and led to reforms of the agency. + + +No wonder CIA faggots hate Hersh. +--- 57856826 +>>57856814 +He's right though, it makes perfect sense. When leaks happen hard drives mysteriously go up in flames, they aren't distributed everywhere +--- 57856839 +>>57856696 (OP) +>>57856740 +>>57856734 +>>57856748 +>>57856751 +>>57856804 +>>57856805 +Look up at the family of this faggot and what were the positions they were at and you will know this was pure old infiltration tactics from USSR era books, it could have worked if not for a zoomer being the one in the next chain of passage +--- 57856844 +I simply do not believe the USA would do everything in their power to rub this leak in everyone's face. It's like when the military industrial complex says +>teehee our enemies are SOOOOO advanced we need $100 gajillion dollars to develop xyz +and only Americans understand that it's asking for money, while foreigners think it's some kind of signal the US military is collapsing. +>oh hey russia here's exactly what is happening here's when it's arriving here's if it's on schedule to arrive and here's what it'll do +Tell me I'm coping but this is textbook controlled leak +--- 57856855 +>>57856844 +>>oh hey russia here's exactly what is happening here's when it's arriving here's if it's on schedule to arrive and here's what it'll do +also +>we are literally using our special forces in ukraine +Ultimately it's not like it will cause Russia to do anything, the Finland goalpost got moved, the Western tanks goalpost got moved, it's only a matter of time until the Russian border is moved +--- 57856856 +>>57856844 +There are videos that show that 9/11 was fake, there were never any planes and yet here you are being psyopted yet again +--- 57856875 +>>57856804 +The systems are also probably really old, and everyone who works on them regularly knows all the backdoors and vulnerabilities. My job has a military-adjacent system that's running some sort of hybrid abomination DOS monstrosity, and people used to be able to get into all sorts of supposedly secure parts of the network using the same weird quirks the security department was using to audit computer usage. Took them a while to close the vulnerabilities, presumably because they didn't have any other way to do their actual job without them. +--- 57856877 +>>57856855 +>it's only a matter of time until the Russian border is moved +You are acting more schizophrenic that all the others in the thread +--- 57856886 +>>57856880 +Thanks for exposing yourself captain obvious +--- 57856887 +Look at these totally legit leaks guys! +--- 57856950 +>>57856704 +It was 12345 or 00000 or something wasnt it? +--- 57856964 +>>57856805 +>Hersh +--- 57857198 +>>57856788 +>what would you said +ESL detected +captcha: JANR8 +--- 57857203 +>>57856964 +This. Every single story Seymour Hersh has ever run has turned out to be bullshit. My Lai never happened. +--- 57857226 +>>57857203 +No, more like he's continually trying to relive his glory days of "sticking it to the man" and defaults to the boomer sixties position of the American Government is always wrong. +--- 57857242 +>>57857226 +Yes, I know Hersh is jewish, but he's a book jew, and the bad jews are the bank jews. +--- 57857260 +>>57856839 +>Look up at the family of this faggot +Glowies? +--- 57857271 +>>57856839 +>he's actually a soviet sleeper agent! +>the soviets are in my walls! +meds now, schizo +--- 57857281 +>>57856696 (OP) +>how can a retarded zoomer access top secret documents within 3 years of basic service +The DoD side of the IC is just a vast homogenous plain of 21 year old spergs, dude. The country's intelligence runs on 'tisms. +--- 57857288 +>>57857281 +The world would be a much better place if sociopaths, narcissists, and autists were barred from ever holding any kind of position of power over others. Actually, we should just cull them for the betterment of the population. +--- 57857304 +>>57856704 +>The launch codes will be leak within the next 5 years +where do you enter them? +--- 57857324 +>>57857288 +>>57857288 +>>57857288 +--- 57857351 +>>57857271 +soviet agents were the reason why the russians now (supposedly) have nukes +--- 57857365 +>>57857351 +source: some bored boomer retard who had to make shit up just to make his job interesting because russians are so broke and incompetent that they could never have the kind of globe-spanning surveillance network that we've built up +--- 57857387 +>>57857288 +>The world would be a much better place if [business execs], [entertainers and politicians], and [STEM majors] were barred from ever holding any of position of power over others. +Tall order. God's speed anon. +--- 57857397 +>>57857365 +meds +--- 57857402 +>>57857387 +Godspeed* +--- 57857412 +>>57857397 +Yes, I agree, people who are actually delusional and schizophrenic enough to believe that slavs could ever build and maintain a globe-spanning intelligence network need to take their meds. They're a race of drunken potato-farming retards, and are a threat only to other drunken potato-farming retards. +--- 57857416 +>>57857412 +meds, now +--- 57857418 +>>57856823 +300k Soviet sympathising traitors. Anti-war is a code word for anti-West. +--- 57857423 +>>57856839 +Get bent. The USSR has been gone for fucking 30 years and has literally rusted away. Stop masturbating with ancient, moldy fucking panics. +--- 57857429 +>>57857416 +Yeah, 100%, people afraid of alcoholic retards on the other side of the planet should definitely take their meds. +--- 57857432 +>>57857423 +>The USSR has been gone for fucking 30 years and has literally rusted away +that's what a typical npc would say +--- 57857435 +>>57857423 +The USSR didn’t die, it just got smaller. +--- 57857437 +>>57857412 +The big problem with Soviet intelligence wasn't the Soviets. It was their propoganda convinced very open minded and capable people outside of the USSR to do it for them. Stalin wished he had a secret police as good as the Stasi. +--- 57857441 +>>57857418 +Found the falseflagging vatnik trying to make good hearted American nationalists look like war criminals. Modern American nationalism / fascism is anti-imperialist. +--- 57857447 +>>57856740 +Yeah. +--- 57857455 +>>57857437 +I literally do not give a fuck about what happens in Europe. We're talking about America, and the Stasi were not operating here. The affairs of dumb yuropoors have never and will never be my problem. +--- 57857464 +>>57856696 (OP) +imagane spending years if not decades infiltrating a enemy nations intelligence when you can just sign up and have acess to top secret docs within 3 years. spies on suicide watch +--- 57857467 +>>57856696 (OP) +He worked at an intel wing as an intel airman. He most likely was some sort of briefer as what he leaked were clearly powerpoint slides designed for some briefing. This is like asking how a missileer at a missile base got near a nuke. + +>within 3 years + +What should we do with our intel guys, make them sit with their thumb in their ass for 4 years before they can start working? +--- 57857488 +It's not hard at all to get a TS, and even easier when you're that young and that early in your career because you simply haven't done anything yet that would prevent you from getting one. +--- 57857506 +>>57857455 +>will never be my problem +Bruh, how much of the bullshit that the US got up to in central and south America was due to governments there embracing Marxist/Leninist theory and USSR aid? How many shitty foreign adventures in MENA? +--- 57857521 +>>57857467 +> Yes. Young people's brains are simply not developed enough at 21 to handle this level of responsibility. Now ask me about my opinions on gun ownership or alcohol use at this age as well for extra fun. +--- 57857526 +>>57857506 +>how much of the bullshit that the US got up to in central and south America was due to governments there embracing Marxist/Leninist theory and USSR aid? How many shitty foreign adventures in MENA? +It turns out, almost none of them. After the USSR crumbled, it came out that they were operating in basically none of the areas the CIA thought they were, and most of the movements we tried to suppress in those areas were actually democratic movements driven by the national populations. +see: +>>57857365 +--- 57857565 +>>57856805 +The reason I know this is an epic fuckup not initiated by glowies is the mention of the domestic Israeli political landscape and how it would influence Israel being used as a source for SAMs. No planted propaganda would have gone down that path. In any presentation to leaders, it is easy to produce figures because you don't have to defend and you can hide the source, only the number. Opinions and conclusions are endeavored only by rare fools with clout and that means jews. This exposed jews. That info creates political tension within Israel. That info highlights Israeli involvement in US policy and US involvement in Israeli politics. The kid is a patsy but the genesis not from the US side unless it was a splinter from the administration. +--- 57857584 +>>57857565 +>muh joos +meds now, schizo +--- 57857602 +>>57857526 +> USSR wasn't directly operating in C/S America or MENA +Cool info. What does that have to do with our current thread? I'm not talking about the US/UK giving Mossadegh the boot because the KGB was hanging out in Tehran. +--- 57857618 +>>57857565 +da joos +--- 57857623 +>>57856740 +>because it's all a psyop +inb4 he gets the firing squad +--- 57857624 +So in the US the national guard is not only a reserve, but you can have a full time job there and get access to secret documents??? +--- 57857628 +>>57857602 +>What does that have to do with our current thread? +It was a reply to a point someone else brought up. Take it up with: >>57857506 +--- 57857633 +>>57857304 +On a keyboard that opens a glass box where the red button is but you have to sneak in to the oval office first +--- 57857671 +>>57857628 +No man. I am that guy. I want.to know why you brought up Soviet intelligence having to operate in a country as a pre-requisite for the US to get involved. That has clearly never been a requirement. Someone embracing Soviet aid or even just economic theory has been enough for us to get involved. And usually fuck ourselves in the process. +--- 57857685 +>>57857671 +>us +First of all, you're not American. Secondly, I never once said that +>Soviet intelligence having to operate in a country as a pre-requisite for the US to get involved +In fact, I stated the opposite. You should take more English classes before trying to take part in an English-language conversation online. +--- 57857691 +>>57857671 +>Soviet aid +Finland here, when the soviets say they're air-dropping bread baskets they're dropping bombs on civilians +--- 57857762 +>>57857685 +I have eaten more Whataburger than you, anon. And I know where you can get Hatch chili burger there year round. But if you're saying that the biggest threat to the US from the USSR was us scared they had the superior economic theory and tripping over ourselves to prove/force the issue otherwise, then yeah, I misread. +--- 57857779 +>>57856696 (OP) +>secret documents +>basic shit everyone already knew but in power point for boomer edification +This is up there with the chinese balloon in terms of fucking nothing +--- 57857791 +The DoD is made up of thousands of 20 something clerks and desk jockeys. Most of them aren't dumb enough to do this. +--- 57857802 +>>57857762 +>But if you're saying that the biggest threat to the US from the USSR was us scared they had the superior economic theory and tripping over ourselves to prove/force the issue otherwise, then yeah, I misread. +I am saying that, and I'm saying that as a fascist. The neoliberal world order is fucking disgusting and needs to go. +Also, Denver does Hatch chili based food better than anywhere else, even better than New Mexico and especially Texas. +--- 57857827 +>>57857802 +> Denver does Hatch chillis better than NM +I have severe doubts, but I also haven't ever spent much time in Denver. I can tell you Pueblo and Colorado Springs damn sure didn't. +--- 57857858 +>>57857827 +Another thing: Culver's is better than Whataburger. +--- 57857862 +>>57857802 +> > The neoliberal world order is fucking disgusting and needs to go. +Lol, he doesn't know. +--- 57857870 +>>57857858 +Tough, but fair. +--- 57857883 +>>57857862 +Looking back, "The End of History" - just the title alone - is perfectly emblematic of the inherent narcissism of neoliberals. +>Scratch a liberal and you get an aristocrat. +Frank Herbert knew. Reign of the Godworm when? +--- 57857896 +>>57857870 +Okay, this is the new official way to verify American status. Gun and passport posting is out, and burgerposting is in. +--- 57857919 +>>57857883 +>Scratch a liberal and you get an aristocrat. + +> Believe in Social Darwinism +> Get upset when the theory does what it says +Many such cases. + +>>57857896 +What kind of psycho takes pictures of their fast food? +--- 57857961 +>>57856856 +May I see them? +--- 57857966 +>>57857919 +I believe in social darwinism, but I also believe that there is no such thing as an inherent human society, because humans have organized themselves in many different ways throughout the past 50,000 years. The people best suited to any system will rise to the top, so we have to create systems that enable and embolden the best human qualities. +--- 57858007 +>>57857961 +no +--- 57858025 +>>57857966 +Whomst among us doesn't have our little plans for our ideal society? I thank God I didn't read Pericles's Funeral Oration until I was older, or 20 year old me would have run off and done something dumb and ended up dead or working in government. +--- 57858083 +>>57857304 +you simply call the nearby missile control center and say "hello, I am liking to order nuclear strike please)" then tell them the codes, and the nukes will launch in 30 minutes or less or your money back +--- 57858446 +>>57858083 +--- 57858831 +>>57856696 (OP) +>doesn't this mean any 3rd world secret service has access to them, too? +only if you start an argument on discord +--- 57858840 +>>57858446 +Now let's see the Russians silos, how much rust? +--- 57859267 +>>57856823 +Yes, but that was almost 50 years ago +--- 57859462 +>>57856856 +>there were never any planes +meds +--- 57859717 +>>57856696 (OP) +what I always find laughable is that these people are almost always "reservists" + +they're not even full time/active duty, why the fuck do they have access to any documents at all? what kind of retard shit show are you guys running down there? + +t. infallible Canadian +--- 57859781 +>>57856696 (OP) + They don’t. + This is a feeble PsyOp head fake, mainly targeted at Americans. + + Rewind to the Bradley Manning bullshit mind-fuck. + + Since when do Army enlisted pukes have access to State Department classified cables? + It’s ridiculous to even entertain such a preposterous notion. +--- 57859790 +>>57859781 +i bet we'll soon find out that he's a DRUMPFFFF!!!!11!! supporter and ebil right wing exdreemisd +--- 57859802 +>>57859790 +The guy spammed pol memes in his server so I wouldn't be surprised +--- 57859809 +>ayo lemme jus dump da secrets +--- 57859823 +>>57859802 +yes I'm sure there will be a nice neat breadcrumb trail to complete their narrative, always is. +--- 57860205 +>>57859781 +>Since when do Army enlisted pukes have access to State Department classified cables? +Since it has gotten the pant-on-head doctrine that you need a security clearance to breathe. +Ass-covering is such a national sport that EVERYTHING is classified. Mainly to make sure the military is never accountable to anything. +The result is the guy that fixes computers (Snowden) works a desk browsing shit on the military intranet (Manning) has to consult a computer (the new guy) need special, top secret and classified clearances respectively. + +The cleareance system as it is, is RETARDED it gives blanket access to so much shit (again because so much is blanket classified beyond rhyme or reason) of course it gets leaked. + +What should have happened after Manning was a revision of the sytem. +Drawing inspiration from the soviet system might be an idea (back in the soviet union clearance level went with military ranks. No fucking way a soldier gets a look at anything else than an infantry manual, a lieutenant to a map, a colonel to something classified). +If in the army of pogs you suddenly need a rank to watch shit that is classified one can assume you've been there for a while and are less likely to leak shit. It migh mean you need to promote people to colonel for them to work but by doing so it's expensive, it will get the regular officers mad and ultimately you will be enticed to NOT GIVE CLEARANCES LIKE CANDIES. +It also means you will have to declassify a lot of shit for your soldiers to work which is in a democracy A GOOD THING. +--- 57860422 +>>57857467 +He wasn't a briefer, he was a powerpoint monke. That's how he had access to the file, he knew better not to move it electronically +--- 57860438 +>>57857618 +Occam's razor +--- 57860452 +>>57857304 +https://www.whitehouse.gov/nuclear-launch-web-portal/ +--- 57860472 +>>57857762 +economics in service to a social agenda of jews, that being supplanting the family with The State. Do you disagree? +--- 57860485 +>>57856696 (OP) +I'll answer your question right after you explain to me how Biden can deploy troops in Ukraine while at the same time lying about it to congress and the public? and that doesn't appear to be the only thing Biden is lying about regarding the conflict in Ukraine. + +You attack the messenger and don't seem to be paying any attention to the fucked up message. fucking brain dead sheep. +--- 57860503 +>>57857966 +>create systems that enable and embolden the best human qualities. +It's called the two parent family with adjunct blood relations nearby. +--- 57860514 +>>57860485 +Where does it say that US troops have been deployed? Are you retarded? Did you mean to click /pol/? +--- 57860521 +>>57860514 +you need to go read the docs. special forces of the USA have been deployed in Ukraine. +--- 57860551 +>>57860521 +It's literally 14 entire DoD personnel in all of Ukraine. At least pretend to read. +--- 57860564 +>>57860205 +>back in the soviet union clearance level went with military ranks. +Anon all Soviet basic manuals had "secret" classification, so all Soviet soldiers got "secret" clearance. Difference was Soviets had clearance level above top secret and all glowie staff went as such. +--- 57860565 +>>57860521 +I have read 48 of the pages and nowhere is anything like that mentioned. Prove me wrong and post the relevant page then. +--- 57860567 +>>57860485 +>while at the same time lying about it to congress and the public +Do you actually have any records of Biden saying there were no U.S. troops deployed in Ukraine? +--- 57860576 +>>57860551 +>>57860485 +To add to this, 11 of those 14 are Marine Embassy guards. +>>57860565 +There's a (maybe one of the photoshopped, admittedly) page where it states "Personnel in Ukraine by country" and it came out to a whopping 14 American DoD personnel in the entire country. +--- 57860578 +>>57856805 +>Hersh +>Reporting +Pick one and only one +--- 57860583 +>>57860485 +US special forces operator in every country on Earth, this isn't a new revelation in the slightest +--- 57860586 +>>57860564 ++Russian current infantry squad composition and platton tactics manual is secret. So in this competition +>Ass-covering is such a national sport that EVERYTHING is classified +Russia wins hands down. +--- 57860599 +>>57860576 +Yeah but DoD personnel is not the same as "troops". Probably just some comms guys. +--- 57860613 +>>57859717 +I was going to ask you the same thing. +--- 57860620 +>>57860205 +t. has never been in a SCIF +Note the leaks said "SCI", which means they weren't blanket TS. You also don't seem to know what interim clearance or NtK is. + +Then you go on and post complete and utter retardation (Junior Soldiers and Leaders can't see OPORDs now I guess) +--- 57860662 +>>57860583 +biden has said since before the full scale invasion even happened that no us troops would be sent to Ukraine. no government spokesperson has ever announced to the public that US troops are on the ground in Ukraine. + +thus the expressions of surprise. +--- 57860750 +>>57860662 +The US embassy in Ukraine is still open, that accounts for a significant fraction of the """Special Forces""" in the country. +--- 57860765 +>>57860567 +alex jones said that us soldiers in yuke uniforms are dying in yucrain +--- 57860784 +>>57860662 +>thus the expressions of surprise. +Nice backpedaling +--- 57861018 +>>57857862 +Fukuyama was RIGHT! + +Early, wrong about the method, but right nonetheless +--- 57861173 +>>57856805 +>When NEEDED, American media can keep their mouth shut +I fucking wish +--- 57861876 +>>57860662 +> schizo backpedals any % speedrun +--- 57862111 +>>57857584 +>>57857618 +Now that's just insulting, you could at least try to make it believable. +--- 57862128 +>>57860551 +>14 entire DoD personnel +Special forces, paid poster. +--- 57862284 +Where are yall reading the leaked docs at? +--- 57863213 +>>57856950 +It was 0000 during the cold war. Funny to think some sneaky slav spy could have glass cities in his first try if he decided to go through all 10k possible codes lol +--- 57863501 +>>57856696 (OP) +You can access top secret documents even earlier than that. Just based on my personal experience (in my own pool of confidential material I get to work with), several of my peers are anti-American communists who want Russia to win, and several others are anti-globalist terrorists that want to kill leftists. + +How the fuck do these people pass a background check? Either the background check fucking sucks, or the military is so desperate for more people that as long as they don't have any connections to foreign governments they're good to go, regardless of their extreme political views. + +What's funny is that they have mandatory lessons on spotting insider threats everyone in the military has to do at some point, and one of our peers was an exact match for all the red flags the video taught us to look out for, so one of my friends actually reported him just as the video instructed and literally nothing ever happened. What a fucking joke. +--- 57863520 +>>57857565 +Imagine seeing proof that isreal does not control the US, and rather than the US has major power over isreal....and you twist your brain into a knot to try to get out of that fact. +--- 57863540 +>>57856696 (OP) +what does this have to do with weapons? +where in your post are you talking about the use of a weapon? +--- 57863576 +>>57856800 +that 1000-cock stare +--- 57863796 +>>57856788 +It's called a patsy they do this all the time to their own. +--- 57863880 +>>57856696 (OP) +ChairForce has 22 yo kids taking 3 stars positions, top secret noforn EZ this kids was over qualified +--- 57863993 +>>57863880 +i wonder if we ever hear how lowly natty gal corporal got their hands TS/SC/NOFORN papers? +--- 57864053 +>>57856696 (OP) +Post-9/11 intelligence reforms recommended by the 9/11 commission emphasized intelligence sharing. Leaks like this are exactly why these reforms were bullshit. +Want to stop leaks like this? Go back to stovepiping. +--- 57864099 +>>57864053 +No, we just have to post "fake leaks" on 4chan.ru/kuck until pootin falls for it +--- 57864104 +>>57857565 +Anon the papers unironically show that Israel is subservient to the United States +--- 57864113 +>>57862128 +Brain rot +>>57863501 +The real question is why haven't you reported them, faggot? I've gotten people discharged over shit like this before. +--- 57864118 +>>57864104 +This goes against every single fucking thing that /pol/ has taught me. + +REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE +--- 57864168 +>>57856734 +he was at bragg? +>>57856751 +aquino faked his death, since a dead man cant testify. +--- 57864195 +>>57856805 +>my rrats are good and true +>their rrats are fake and gay +--- 57864203 +>>57856880 +oddly enough, the ones doing 90%+ of the disinfo is the dependas of the schmucks who are based there. brass knows, aint cares, keep up the good work soldier hoorah! +--- 57864217 +>>57857242 +all jews are bad news. +--- 57864222 +>>57860485 +ayo where is hunters laptop ? +--- 57864239 +>>57857365 +those kikes were out of lakewood dov. how was your sabbath? +--- 57864385 +>>57856734 + +You went full retard. He was Massachusetts National Guard. +Never go full retard. +--- 57864409 +>>57856751 + +Ft Bragg has Psychological Operations units, yes. Are all the PO units based there? No. Fusk off with your anti- FT Bragg agenda. Sorry you weren't good enough. +--- 57864429 +>>57856696 (OP) +and it was fucking posted on a thug shaker discord + +i came to post cheeked up black men,i arrived to leaked US documents +--- 57864430 +>>57857435 +and hired a marketing agency operating out of a mexican fleamarket to do the rebranding. +>>57857464 +or doing what the chinks did, take hold of academia through blackmail and academic fraud. they get the info directly +>>57857691 +everyone knows soviets had no bread. +>>57857896 +COOK-OUT MASTERRACE REPORTAN IN +>>57858840 +in 2013 some ruskie conscript stationed in siberia showed the flooded missile complex and depot he was stationed at on here +>>57860576 +lol. lmao. god alone knows how many SAD teams are running loose doing serial killer things in ukraine as we speak. +--- 57864437 +>>57856823 + +Are the names of these people available online? A company could profit by filtering these names, and their descendants from those they hire. +--- 57864478 +>>57857827 + +This is a definite lie. Colorado is where taste buds go to die +--- 57864492 +>>57857966 + +You will be a top. +--- 57864499 +>>57863501 +> anti-globalist terrorists that want to kill leftists +>terrorists +What acts of terror have they committed? +--- 57864505 +>>57864409 +glownigger begone. ft liberty lol is full of faggots and ladyboy on bragg blvd enthusiasts. no one wants to be stationed in ft suspicious ritualistic death. + +faggotnam doesnt even have a costco because the local homeless attacked the costco executives when they were getting sucked off by the niggers in city hall. hows your $125k after financing at 5600% APR dodge charger r/t? +--- 57864774 +>>57856696 (OP) +He underwent very extensive background checks. He wasn't a traitor. +The air force didn't take into account how retarded kids are these days. +--- 57865020 +>>57858446 +>tfw no singles policy at the nuclear bunker +--- 57865298 +>>57864430 +Are you unironically fucking retarded anon, the discussion is clearly in the frame of "The US admitted (maybe) to having 14 DoD personnel in Ukraine", to which I said "Yes, but 11 of them are Marine Embassy guards" you stupid fucking monkey, lmfao. Learn how to read. +--- 57865998 +>>57860205 + I’m not arguing your point about how classification-happy the ZOG has gotten, but rather the absurd notion that Mother State and CIA are going to ensure that Army Specialist Jackoff in FSB Camel Scrotum, Absurdistan is on the distribution list for THEIR cookbooks and recipe-sharing servers. + + The Army doesn’t tell the Navy and the Navy doesn’t tell the Air Force. + Nobody tells the Guard, and the Spooks don’t tell ANYBODY unless they WANT to…and likely as not it’s a bulkshit mind game to further some Office Politics going down at Langley with not much relation to the outside world. + The Diplos only tell each other, which is just as well, since they’re the only ones that speak their languages, and they usually don’t have anything interesting to say. + The NSA is mute, but listens to everyone, and the NRO doesn’t really exist, so stop asking or you’re going to fucking disappear. + + And then up pops this TurboFaggot Manning with all this juicy greasy shit…just like this hapless boogereater Air Guardsman in Massachusetts. + + Jesus wept…I don’t buy this as a legit leak. +--- 57866049 +>>57865998 + +It's not the 1980s anymore, they tore down a lot of walls post 9/11. Everyone I talk to that actually has a clearance is not surprised the kid had access. One of them got his TS at 18 same as the kid did. The right hand does in fact talk to the left- the shit that was leaked is daily/weekly briefings intended to keep EVERYONE up to speed on the same intel events. They're supposedly available to everyone with a TS and a SIPRnet account. +--- 57866052 +>>57863501 + What do you think Senator McCarthy’s subcommittee was ACTUALLY doing? + + Should overt or covert Marxists and Maoists hold security clearances and/or have access to sensitive info and materials? + + That was it…that’s what he and Roy Cohn and Bobby Kennedy, (committee co-counsels), were doing. + + And McCarthy got censured for it and had his sub-committee disbanded. + + Think about what that MEANS right down to today… + + Remember Robert Hanssen of the FBI? +What was his FBI job when he was busted as a mole for the Soviets and Russians? +--- 57866103 +>>57866049 + The walls didn’t get torn down to THAT low a level. + + Mainly the ones between the Spooks and the Spycatchers…and that at Senior Executive Service level…the rabbis speak to each other at the DNI Table. + + Not office-drone level pukes like this punk. + +It occurs that this might be a ploy to put those walls back up. +--- 57866117 +>>57866103 +I'm sorry.... Let me get it across in something more your level..... + +He leaked stuff that's intentionally spread as far as it can so that everyone's at the same op level. The "office-drone level pukes" need access to this shit so they can prepare leaders on it. Why would the goverment want to make everything screech to a halt? +--- 57866159 +>>57864499 +Nothing, they spout /pol/ talking points about how all the Jews need to die, leftists and fags need to be tortured and hanged, etc. +--- 57866218 +>>57856800 +>a woman in the military? Psyop +--- 57866241 +>>57866103 +Are you just shitposting or something +--- 57866808 +>>57866218 +except her specialty is exactly psyops (Linkedin profile) +--- 57866830 +>>57866218 +you are a worthless retard +--- 57867020 +>>57857387 +kek +--- 57867030 +>>57856800 +Threadly reminder she has the voice of a chainsmoking hon-type tranny, somehow. +--- 57867198 +>>57867030 +thready reminder she is 5' 8 and has huge feet +--- 57867222 +>>57866808 +She's a nobody reservist who got famous and now sells calendars of herself +--- 57867233 +>>57867198 +>>57867030 +>she +--- 57867487 +>>57867198 +>huge feet +Hot, got anymore +--- 57867515 +>>57857455 +post oppenheimer + + also the woke cultists plagueing and rotting your institutions right now are a derivate of marxism spliced within a puritan framework +--- 57867524 +>>57857526 +>we tried to suppress in those areas were actually democratic movements driven by the national populations. +uhuh. Who dindu nuffin of course. Like FARC + +way to out yourself tankie troon +--- 57867553 +>>57859267 +You're right. Thanks to Snowden we know that the constitutional violations by the glowniggers are infinitely worse today. +--- 57867564 +>>57856788 +No one gets snuffed even for desertion in a combat zone. Little bitch will get a BCD and maybe time served. +--- 57867595 +>>57864099 +Wait... the government was concealing those things? +--- 57867634 +>>57866218 +Actually yes, russian psyop and burgers fell for it like a bunch of retards. +--- 57867643 +>>57857526 +>be leftardism +>collapse +>brainwashed fatso +>muh CIA + +Every time. +--- 57867694 +>>57856696 (OP) +You could say the same about Bradley Manning. +He was the IT misfit. +And like most zoomers, a clout chaser within a very niche parasocial group. +--- 57867698 +>>57858083 +>or less or your money back +Can I use a credit card? +--- 57867702 +>>57857919 +>What kind of psycho takes pictures of their fast food? +Zoomers, bro. +--- 57867853 +>>57857418 +You faggots are on par with vatniks +--- 57867858 +>>57859790 +>My team never does anything wrong. +And this is the mindset that keeps you losing. Zero ability to self reflect or change tactics lol. Stubbornness is not a virtue. +--- 57867863 +>>57857432 +NPC = logical, mentally stable and educated ? +--- 57867984 +>>57860551 +Even one American solder is to much for russia +--- 57868145 +Why aren't leakers shot for treason on principle? These leaks have done major damage to the USA's global standing and likely endangered the lives of soldiers in Ukraine and agents around the world +--- 57868221 +>>57856696 (OP) +shrimple he most likely has an admin token for SIPR and JWICS because of his career field. Those were most likely slides for a brief, where everyone who worked in the SCIF had access, or because he has an admin token he gave himself access. He printed them out during lunch put them in his pocket and went home. +--- 57868897 +>>57866159 +Okay, so saying mean things is literally terrorism, got it. +--- 57869289 +>>57868145 +Treason against the military doesn't make sense if it was done to benefit the American people. "Global standing" is such a stupid, nebulous term, and I haven't actually seen evidence that leaks from Bradley Manning, Edward Snowden, or that 21 y/o guy got anyone killed. I heard they had to shuffle assets around and it ruined some intelligence operations after Snowden and Manning, but at best the damage has been abstract while the illegal things the government has been doing have been real. +--- 57869337 +my best friends brother is a special operator and his entire family is wildly anti-american and 100% all in the QAnon shit. + +also they were entirely supportive of Russia and had a deep admiration of their military up until the invasion. now all he talks about when it comes up is how zelensky owns a home in Florida or some shit. + +i think the penetration of russian disinformation into the military is probably way higher than most people realize. + +inb4 NSA fags show up at my door asking who my best friend is +--- 57869380 +>>57869337 +Unfortunately, I think your buddy's brother is just a window licking retard. Your anecdote of a single grunt being a braindead idiot doesn't imply some massive KGB infiltration/COINTEL effort, as much as that hurts your head canon about "le russia bad." +--- 57869399 +>>57869337 +Did you consider that the government spiking their credibility into the ground repeatedly over the last 60 years might play a role in people not trusting them? Russia doesn't even have the assets to fight a 3rd world nation, much less brainwash everyone in the US military. +--- 57869443 +>>57857351 + This is no longer “supposedly”. +We zapped the TrotskyiteJoo Rosenberg in the electric chair for this back in the 1950s, and the partial Verona intercept translations revealed just how deeply we had been compromised in the Manhattan Project. + + Oppenheimer himself, even though he was the Head Talmudic Joo Atomic Kabbalistic Wizard was deemed unreliable for his JooMarxist ways…that’s why TellerChad froze him out for the H-Bomb project. + + People queef about Project Paperclip, but those Nazis are the only reason that we jumped ahead of the Reds in the Space Race…Joos we’re not allowed anywhere near our rocket program. +--- 57869459 +>>57869399 +i guess, but i’ve always wondered why he specifically spouts pro-Russia shit. the brother has been overseas for a while as he disappears for like 7-8 months at a time so i’ve not spoken to him recently but my friend literally just runs down through RussiaToday talking points whenever we talk about ukraine +--- 57869478 +>>57857437 + They were called “fellow travelers” and “Dupes” back in the day. + + The real problem is that they raised a generation of kids infected with their Faggotry. + + The College Industry being a haven for draft-dodgers during the VietNam War meant that these detestable treasonous vermin infested Academia and are there spreading their poisonous Faggotry to youth there to this very day. + + And via Government backed student loans, we are subsidizing this shit. +--- 57869515 +>>57857467 + Put then in the combat arms for their first tour. +Right out on the edge of the sharp end,where they will learn that espionage and intelligence mistakes means they get a new house from Tunnel2Towers from them, (if they partially survive). + + You don’t get to serve as an Intelligence Pogue until you’ve paid your dues by taking your turn as a Bullet-Stopper. + + They should help with getting niggaz minds right about their business. +--- 57869555 +>>57857526 +Nigga, you’re crazy. Or you’re a CommieSymp. + +Do you understand what an Agent of Influence is? + +Do you understand how an Agent of Influence can be FAR more damaging than a regular spy? + +Do you NOT know the history of Communist influence in the various “-Rights” political movements of the JooSA since the nineteen-fucking- thirties? +--- 57869578 +>>57857802 +>The neoliberal world order is fucking disgusting and needs to go. +as opposed to the asiatic tyrantships that are so rotten you are not even allowed to expose how shit they really are. Until they collide with reality like second stronkest military in ukraine found out +--- 57869594 +>>57858446 + I’ve been there. +Lotta money for a series of holes in the ground. + +I actually started weeping for the poor prairie dogs…there they would have been, cheeping away at each other in their prairie dog town, doing prairie dig things, and then one day Soviet Plutonium Nuclear Fire falls down out of the sky and vaporizes them into oblivion. + + Poor little fucking cute prairie dogs! + + Why, God…WHY? +--- 57869622 +>>57869459 +With the QAnon people, they just accept whatever the next soothsayer tells them. Some people just want to be told what to think, and unfortunately the only people telling others what they should think are liars. There are only two media narratives on the war in Ukraine, the "Russia is going to collapse in 2 more weeks" side and the "Ukraine is going to collapse in 2 more weeks" side. If they're biased against the US-supported side, then the Russian side is implicit. + +My mother got really into the QAnon stuff, but to me it was obvious that it was a lie if only because they just encouraged people to sit on their ass and do nothing and the "patriots" would take care of all of their problems. Literally just a boomer ARG. +--- 57869694 +>>57869459 +firehood of falsehoods is a giant piece of shit that attracts flies like crazy. They might not even know they are useful idiots drinking up vatnig/wumao pathologic lies but they just pick it up from other flies who visited the original shitpile to begin with. + + It is really not that difficult and cost effective. What these asiatic tyrants rely on (including mainland chongs) is cracking down with a tight censorship and language barriers back home where nothing is allowed to proliferate the censors dont want spreading. While they freely access the relatively open western mediasphere to spread their shit until something sticks. Add to this the occasional western obvious misuse of power and bamboozling lie, like lets say democrats party using the remnant media as their unofficial party exclusive media arm, and it is very easy to use the natural mistrust of anybody with a working brain against themselves. Specially when they have no clue what the world is like behind the oceans, as your typical burger does not, and thinks everybody is like america. +--- 57869741 +war thunder players at this again huh +--- 57869798 +>>57869459 + The TrotskyiteJoos aren’t stupid, anon. Their stock on trade is to highlight and aggravate the social and economic fissures that occur in any human society anywhere at any time. + They amplify these normal fault lines as an indictment of the entire society and its values systems. + + Frankly, I hold it to be a perversion of their Joo Tenet of “Tikkun Olam” to “make the world a better place”…like nobody asked them to. + + This is why they become lawyers in such outsize numbers. Lawyers make shekels from controversy among people, and thus they have direct financial interest in maintaining existing controversies and whipping up new ones. + + Writ large, you end up with a philosophy of iconoclasm for the sake of iconoclasm. +Inherently self-destructive and golem-creating. + + They truly are the Synagogue of Satan. +By their fruit shall ye know their tree. +--- 57869862 +>>57857966 +Any system organised around the exercise of power will attract those least suited to it. There's no escaping it. +--- 57869933 +>>57865998 +And what about the DoE? +--- 57869934 +>>57856696 (OP) +Granted this is just the army but here's a list of a few initial entry jobs, jobs that you get get right off the street, no prior service required, that grant you a TS clearance. +35F Intelligence Analyst +89D EOD Specialist +35P Signals Intelligence Voice Interceptor +35L Counterintelligence Agent +94S Patriot System Repairer +35M Human Intelligence Collector + +Most never serves think of top secret clearance as something that you need to earn. That's not really the case. It's something that's given to you for your job because its on a "need to know" basis and you need to know for your job. Shit when I was in EOD school, we had this chick from the COUNTRY of Georgia. She literally wasn't even a natural born US citizen. +--- 57870001 +>>57857304 +xccr.com +--- 57870006 +>>57869380 +yeah sadly that has to be the case, anyone who falls for Russian propaganda as poor as it is must be low IQ. +--- 57870030 +>>57869399 +>team A lied this must mean team B is honest! +Do midwits really think like this? +--- 57870163 +>>57856734 +not bragg, some national guard base in MA +--- 57870164 +>>57866049 +> they tore down a lot of walls post 9/11. +Yup. What I said >>57864053 and it’s spot on. +>>57866103 +> The walls didn’t get torn down to THAT low a level. +Before the shitty ass post 9/11 reforms, agencies would brief leaders separately. Stovepiping worked and leaks only happened from the worst espionage cases, not some fucking kid looking for discord clout. Before 9/11 reforms, there was NEVER summary slides containing info from multiple agencies, EVER. + +bring back stovepiping and leaks like the most recent one stop. +--- 57870187 +>>57870030 +How do you not know this by now? Hell this site is drowning in those types of people +--- 57870206 +>>57870030 +The answer to your question is yes, but I'm not saying that because I personally think that way. Read my reply >>57869622, I basically have the same complaint. Some people don't seem to do well in an environment where everyone is lying, they just bounce from liar to liar like an irresponsible woman choosing exclusively abusive boyfriends. + +Given that people like that exist, a government that has made a habit of lying shouldn't be surprised when its people start believing different lies. You don't need a foreign disinformation campaign when your own disinformation campaigns alienate half the country. +--- 57870335 +>>57867595 +Yes. +--- 57870380 +>>57856800 +Goddamn if I wouldn't tongue shovel her shit ditch after 2 weeks in the field. I'd get her pregnant twice on purpose. I don't care if she has the voice of sandpaper on glass. +--- 57872106 +>>57869337 +The penetration of Russian disinformation in the military is a consequence of Russian disinformation penetrating the Republican party so deeply. Junior enlisted These people are contrarians and tend to implicitly trust any opposing view to what they view as the boogeyman, which is the US Government. +>>57869399 +Disinformation is pretty much the only thing Russia excels at, if only because it's so easy to do on large scale. +>>57869798 +Nobody on Earth will ever take you seriously if you can only communicate in schizo babble and buzzwords. +--- 57872118 +>>57872106 +Somehow my first comment got cut off, oh well. I said Junior enlisted and combat arms tend to be Republican, and so the connection is made. +--- 57872509 +>>57872106 +This is all happening under trannycrat watch, as usual. +--- 57872516 +>>57856751 +>>57856734 +Why the fuck are people bringing up Fort Bragg when this retard was inMassachusetts ? +--- 57872613 +>>57857526 +You're a colossally retarded gringo fuck. Fucking anybody down here in these shitholes know the fucking Czech and Romanians were pulling shit here as the USSR would outsource their glowops to them for deniability. + +Gringo retardado do caralho, você merece toda a subversão que os chinas, Árabes e Iranianos fazem com vocês. +--- 57872628 +>>57856696 (OP) +It's not like there was anything that secret in the documents. The number of vehicles destroyed was close to the Oryx numbers, RU casualties were within most Western estimates, and UKR casualties numbers are close to what the Ukrainians are claiming. + +The most secret stuff in there was, Ukraine came close to losing Bahkmut at one point, Ukraine seems to be running low on AA, and the US is spying on its allies (big shock). + +The documents were not really secret; it's not like they told us what Western special forces deployed in Ukraine are doing, or what the UKR spring offensive will look like in-depth, or even how we are collecting our intelligence. + +The documents seem appropriate to what an enlisted intel guy in the Air-national-guard would know. +--- 57872722 +>>57857802 +Post-WWII Fascist is a commie shill. Literally nothing surprising about this. Anybody with a basic knowledge of the post-war intellectual history of fascism/neo-nazism would not be shocked by this. But the people who do things like this for a living refuse to believe fascism has intelectuals because they're liberal and socialist university nerds at best. + +You'd think people would have actually read the figures and texts that people would spread around /pol/ when it started becoming the breeding grounds for bizarre extreme racial and sexual politics but nobody here reads anything. If they did, they'd already know how deep the vatnigger shilling goes when it comes to the sordid remains of fascism after WWII. +--- 57872736 +>>57872722 +>when it started becoming the breeding grounds for bizarre extreme racial and sexual politics +/pol/ was ALWAYS posting this shit even before /pol/ existed and it was /news/ +--- 57872779 +>>57857288 +Newton and Tesla were autistic and did more for mankind than any supposed great leader or soldier in human history. + +If we're culling anybody start with the guys in business suits and uniforms, they cause 90% of the worlds problems and are just a net drain on everyone's resources. +--- 57872862 +>>57872736 +>/news/ +it was /new/, stop larping as an oldfag diff --git a/k/57857018.txt b/k/57857018.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..393f65e18cef87865110e5bc9387b92ab6172ac2 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57857018.txt @@ -0,0 +1,504 @@ +----- +--- 57857018 +Let's talk retro, post your carry handles, A4's with handles also welcome + +Also general Retro thread +--- 57857058 +>another general +last thing the board needs +OP sucks cocks +--- 57857136 +>>57857018 (OP) +Carry handles are neat +--- 57857171 +>>57857136 +https://youtu.be/nUq4pg1zGic [Embed] + +goddamn why does the A1 evoke such a cool image even though we ultimately lost that war +--- 57857678 +>inb4 ban-compliant +I got it for a steal just before Sandy Hook destroyed the market +--- 57857736 +I want to get an A1/A2 purely for the 20 inch barrel and the looks. I don’t care about authenticity or making a real clone, I just want the look. What’s a good 20 inch upper that’s actually in stock, I would say carry handle only but this would be a range toy so I don’t want to drop any real money on it +--- 57858349 +>>57857058 +Heck off fag, it’s a relevant thread and not spam. +--- 57859672 +Bump +--- 57859720 +Based thread +--- 57860764 +Baste thread +--- 57861027 +>>57857018 (OP) +I stupidly sold my TNTE A1 clone upper for a steal because of the markup and I miss it. Looks like I played myself and will be buying another 20 with a fixed carry handle. Can't decide whether to do an A2 this time or A1 +--- 57861815 +>>57857018 (OP) +>a4 welcome +eww +--- 57861906 +>>57861815 +>post ban with no birdcage... +poor rife + +also be nice to the A4nons fixed carry handles are hard to find these days. Also theyre legitimately retro now inception of GWOT was legit 20 years ago at this point. + +To think that it would be the last conflict the A2 saw popular use in while also being shoulder to shoulder with the A4. +--- 57861981 +>>57861027 +Nice rifle A1non, I say go for an A1 since A2s are way harder to get and assemble these days since guntuber e-celebs hopped on the band wagon to make handles cool again. I still remember when people would buy them in bulk to cut off the handles and weld weaver or M1913 on. Such were the times in 2007 when making your rifle a train station was peak aesthetics. + +Perhaps the new Cold War brewing in the background is giving people nostalgia for the first one as well. Only time will tell if this new hotness for carry handles is a fad or we're going to have to deal with insufferable normies forever :sob: + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rriQhmJIefg&pp=ygULZ2xvYmFsIGNvbGQ%3D [Embed] +--- 57862001 +found this in the trunk of a p71 in a ditch, how much is this pile of ancient garbage worth +--- 57862002 +>>57861815 +>bad lever +2010 called +--- 57862034 +>>57862001 +hold on to that upper anon boomers and fuds be selling that shit for almost a grand on gunbroker because of the current shortage, but honestly i'd just hold onto it and make a cool lightweight operator carbine with it like adding a light and whatnot. How are the feed ramps looking in that? +--- 57862055 +>>57861981 +Yeah I mean I can get either, I just don't know whether to try the A2 DOPE sights or stick with the easy A1. A1's length of pull is really cozy too. I do like the look of the thicker meme barrel of the A2 and the front furniture though +--- 57862092 +>>57862055 +keep your eye on Tony's Customs for A1's, some generous ARnon in the /arg/ thread gave his tips on trying to get new carry handles in 2011 + 12 AD. + +If you're comfortable with A1 manual of arms when it comes to sights and length of pull just stick with it, you could always build a hybrid C7 style rifle too with the A2's meme barrel & handguard +--- 57862131 +>>57858453 +unexpected but fits the definition. I want a Kel-Tec someday but why are P50s so expensive bros... +--- 57862148 +>>57859720 +>>57860764 +Nice clones A4nons, how does it feel that the GWOT is technically over at this point. what do you think is going to be the soundtrack and general retrospective thoughts for gen alpha kids that inevitably grow up with their parents lecturing them about how hard it was living in a time when GIs and Taliban were duking it out in the desert for two decades? +--- 57862149 +>>57861981 +>flectarn(ish) tac gloves +W2c? +--- 57862177 +>>57862148 +I mean shit like Seether was big in the 00s. I still remember Out of My Way by Seether on Iraq urban combat compilations and stuff. Rise Against maybe. Shit like that. +--- 57862210 +>>57862149 +Most likely, also salsa? is that Ai? I never remember her last name lol +--- 57862212 +>>57862002 +its a competition rifle, the bad lever is basically need for boomer power +>>57861906 +cuckstate plus competition gun +--- 57862301 +>>57862212 +My sympathies A2non, what state if you're willing to share, also what lower is that ive never seen it around +--- 57862311 +>>57862212 +forgot to add but what competitions do you run with that thing and are there any advantages that the carry handle brings over the flattops that are common? are you a marksman or speed-shooter? +--- 57862347 +>>57862301 +NJ and fulton armory +>>57862311 +>forgot to add but what competitions do you run with that thing +NRA high power +> and are there any advantages that the carry handle brings over the flattops that are common? +you can reach under the carry handle and hit the bolt release easier because the single round mags people use you can't just slingshot the charging handle with, but the BAD lever solve that issue anyway. I think the only advantage is people might have to pin the carry handle on. Most guys use an LPVO though since you can have up to 4.5x optic +> are you a marksman or speed-shooter? +marksman +--- 57862374 +>>57862210 +>remember her last name +I don't know her first name. Talk about the gloves, man. +--- 57862398 +>>57862347 +That's pretty neat anon, also that reach through under the carry handle truck for hitting the bolt release sounds pretty night I out to try that next time I'm out at the range for shits and giggles. Whats your best grouping like and any tips for improving marksmanship? +--- 57862437 +>>57862374 +forgive my coomer brain, neuron activation moment. + +Cant say much about the gloves, but why does flectarn look so good. The ones I use at the range are similar but have these like rubberized pads under the thumb. Dont know the brand though since its a no name and was also a gift +--- 57862552 +>>57857678 +how badly did sandy hook fuck the legislation over there in CT? Ive heard about it from some of my family on that coast but never seen anyone talk about it or its after affects +--- 57862698 +>>57857018 (OP) +Any recommendations for peripherals to put on the A2 grips? I see they sell rail attachments that screw into vent holes and hear theyre good enough for a light or a laser if you dont need zero (if youre shooting passive it should be fine?) also the old Pec2's had those mounts that went under the guard and attached directly to the barrel. Anyone know what those are called and how to get a hold of them? +--- 57862772 +I don't care what anyone says, MOE grips are the nicest ones I've ever had on an AR. +--- 57862901 +>>57862772 +what the ports on the side for? +--- 57862932 +>>57862437 +Flectarn gloves and matching flectarn Gladius are on my list. I wish Cold Steel would fill backorders on thier polypro training Gladius, prefect base for my flecktarn Gladius project. +--- 57862944 +>>57862901 +Presumably ventilation though they probably double as an attachment point. +I've never been one to put a whole bunch of stuff on my guns. +I like to keep them simple. +--- 57862968 +>>57861981 +Come to think of it, a flectarn kimono is indicated for full larp. Pretty sure a flectarn kilt will not do. +--- 57862981 +>>57862968 +Lmao what do they actually make those? +--- 57862995 +>>57862944 +Same here, I could never stand having all that shit on my rifle. The whole appeal of an AR was that it was lightweight and low recoil at the same time. +--- 57863026 +>>57862698 +>hear theyre good enough for a light or a laser +You really don't want an aiming device direct mounted to clamshells since they shift around, better to FSB hard mount a laser if you want to keep clamshells and don't have a PAQ-4c or PEQ-2a. +For non-zeroable accessories you can use the really thin stamped flange nuts like MOE rail sections come with or buy the specific kits to mount through the cooling holes or drill through the handguard. If you are mounting around the body, I recommend either notching what you are attaching for the ribs or grinding down the ribs where you are mounting the accessory. +>Anyone know what those are called +Just search for PEQ barrel mount, not many people list by the NSN or P/N (NSN: 5340-01-390-3812 P/N: A3186958) They used to be all over the place for a few bucks but they have climbed up into the tens of dollars area for the most part. Not unobtanium by far, but its a sign that they are drying up. + +pictured: +FSB mounted C7 tri-rail with a JP offset to curl a VIR-II over LSO clamshells +PEQ-2a with the barrel mount through CAR skinny clamshells +SG PEQ-2a knock off on a KAC RASII free float +--- 57863031 +>>57862981 +>do they actually make those +You see what she's wearing with your eyes, son. You don't have to believe. +--- 57863064 +>>57863026 +Also, carry handle to stay on theme. +--- 57863112 +>>57863064 +goddamn this looks nice, I always preferred this look to the trainstation level rifles with all the magnifiers and extra weight on it, those always come off as range toys whereas this looks like something someone in the field would actually be working with. Though these days the pic rail vomit is everywhere in use with operators and special forces but theres something magical about taking an old rifle and running it with modern peripherals. It has the same appeal as say a sleeper PC +--- 57863122 +>>57863064 +also though the clamshells arent strong enough for zeros on lasers they have enough strength and rigidity for a foregrip? is this what the canadians were doing on their C7's in the late 90s and early 00s? +--- 57863134 +>>57863026 +are there any say, small IR lasers that could fit on a FSB trirail mount? +--- 57863174 +luv me carry handles +luv me Colt 4x20s +luv me Aimpoint 5000s +luv me pregnant Anne Frank +'ate flat tops + +Simple as + +Railniggers cope and seethe +--- 57863179 +>>57857058 +Yeah, because we need more Ukraine threads up, you tell em, reddit! +--- 57863238 +>>57863112 +I like it, which is what matters but I get flak from both side of the aisle for "ruining" a older style rifle or not being modern enough. +>>57863122 +They are. The canadians mounted picatinny rails to the clamshell and then a folding Cadex foregrip. Mine is a slightly modified MLOK grip direct mounted through the cooling holes. +>>57863134 +The VIR-II on that rifle is an IR laser and it is pistol light sized. It just has a shroud on it to limit splash from it's IR illuminator and work better on a rifle. The JP offset is just for preference, you could mount it to the tri-rail or some other FSB mount rail without it. +--- 57863261 +>>57863238 +>VIR-II +thanks for the recs anon this is why I come here and not reddit or the other shitty AR forums, id just get told to get a flat top and a quad and its nice to still see people working with the older iterations of the rifle and run them with modern accoutrements +--- 57863269 +>>57862995 +>The whole appeal of an AR was that it was lightweight and low recoil at the same time. +That is almost my exact reason. +Light weight is the whole point of this weapon, and while it may sound like a fudd cliché, iron sights are great. +--- 57863308 +>>57863269 +yep, love me those A2 patterns with the adjustable elevation and windage, makes zeroing easier, and if the size of the front sight post's size bothers you enough you can just exchange for an A1 post. Also mounting optics on the carry handle is honestly a better alternative than the memeshit GBRS risers +--- 57863530 +>>57862698 +>attach rails to plastic. +No. Tried it, it sucked. Buy a pic rail that attaches to front sight. +--- 57863621 +>>57857018 (OP) +Obligatory. Best red dot is amber. +--- 57863686 +I just like em bros +--- 57863740 +>>57862149 +>>57862374 +Everything's better with handles. +--- 57863860 +>>57862552 +big time, mega gay if you aren't mil or police +--- 57864094 +>>57862901 +They're MLOK slots. +--- 57864106 +>>57863860 +Sandy hook fucked it coast to coast for abt 2 yrs, Gabby Giffy was just a sidebar in comparison. Between the coasts it did get better. Buffalo/Uvalde was just a wrinkle. +--- 57864124 +>>57863740 +Thank you, anon. +--- 57864141 +>>57863740 +at last someone with the sauce +--- 57864285 +>>57863621 +why'd you cover your rear sight aperature with cheese? +--- 57864295 +>>57863621 +I always wondered how does that clip under the carry handle work to hold the mount to the handle. Is it a screw on? torque? tension? +--- 57864318 +>>57863686 +only thing I dont like is how the space under isnt big enough to full knuckle grip :( other than that theyre solid backup sights and a better alternative to a meme riser +--- 57864399 +Counter-Strike Bushmaster +--- 57864403 +>>57864285 +Everything is better with cheese. +>>57864295 +Lever screws and tightens, hits a detent every 180°. Sadly blocks grabby hotdog fingers. +--- 57864410 +>>57864399 +Sweet room divider, what's on the other side, sex dungeon? +--- 57864422 +>>57857018 (OP) +Damnit RTI I want my silent slings, don't make me release the bonk +--- 57864431 +>>57864399 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ4NzNV7eo8 [Embed] +--- 57864471 +Missing protec helmet in picture +--- 57864476 +>>57864471 +Dont we call it zimbabwe now? +--- 57864511 +>>57864410 +I wish, it’s a radiator cover +>>57864431 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqB1uoDTdKM [Embed] +--- 57864520 +I feel like I want four carry handles on my quadrail foregrip. +--- 57864528 +>>57864476 +Do we? +--- 57864543 +>>57864528 +The door is open, go outside. For once. +--- 57864548 +>>57862347 +>NJ +man the boss really was the only good thing to come out of that glorified turnpike huh? + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufc7RYXQQF8 [Embed] +--- 57864576 +>>57864543 +That’s a computer screen. Doors closed for the weekend +--- 57864579 +>>57862148 +>soundtrack +Gorillaz, and I'm tired of pretending it's not. +--- 57864613 +>>57864579 +this but unironically + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXKdU_Nm-Kk [Embed] +--- 57864625 +>>57857058 +A Ukraine thread died for this. +--- 57864661 +>>57864579 +>Gorillaz + +you didn't have to make me feel old today anon... + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLnkQAeMbIM [Embed] +--- 57864698 +I have a carry handle, can I join the club? +--- 57864709 +>>57864698 +this nigga really carries clips +--- 57864733 +>>57864625 +Good. +--- 57864753 +>>57864709 +You don't? +--- 57864754 +>>57864698 +I see your carry handle and raise 3. +--- 57864758 +>>57864698 +1 admission for battle rifle into the thread. Also wtf is that furniture?? reminds me of the Israeli FALs but looks more ergonomic + +also cool piece FALnon. Is there any tips for getting perhaps a kit for one of these how much do they run? or are they only sold as a unit?? Perhaps can build one in a cuck state?? +--- 57864769 +>>57864698 +looks like a canadian L1A1 from the fact it can take stripper clips of .308? also neat rifle anon +--- 57864781 +>>57864758 +>getting perhaps a kit for one of these +I'll just be quite. +--- 57864786 +>>57864758 +That’s the original FAL player +--- 57864787 +>>57864754 +--- 57864827 +>>57864802 +why the mag polka dotted? +--- 57864846 +>>57864787 +Nice. I've been wondering how to use mine since I pulled it off.. +--- 57864854 +>>57864781 +I want a fal so bad bros but fuck why are there only originals floating around. has really no one done repros or kits? building funs is much more enjoyable than just buying them whole :( +--- 57864860 +>>57864758 +That is my T48. US trials rifle that we WOULD have gotten had we not believed Springfield's "we can make the T44 (M14) on M1 Garand tooling" lies. + +Do NOT do what I did and try to piece one together, it took me about three years of effort to hunt down all the correct parts. If you want a FAL just get a prebuilt one from DSA. They're hit or miss but will happily be fixed by customer service if they don't function. +>>57864769 +The Canadians did in fact get involved with H&R's T48's, which are the only American made military FALs in existence, but the Belgian T48 (which mine is modeled on) uses a clip guide that iirc predates the L1A1. +--- 57864884 +>>57864827 +Fashion points with the lolis on /cgl/. +--- 57864891 +>>57857018 (OP) +Where the hell can you find an A1 or A2 upper (preferably with M4 ramps) that's actually in stock? TNTESales.com has some for pre-order but I don't want to wait until mid-May (best case scenario). +--- 57864933 +>>57864860 +holy shit how did you piece together a T48 are you insane, autistic or both?? also is it in original .280 innit or .308. Where'd you scour the parts to put that together and honestly piecing it together doesnt sound that bad if you have patience and honestly more rewarding. I'd assume the furniture would be the hardest to obtain aside from the action if its in .280 +--- 57864979 +>>57864860 +>my T48 +Describe the quest for the bayo to the class. +--- 57865004 +>>57864891 +I was seriously considering getting a TT A2 but some anon on here warned me calling it chinesium trash, so I withheld and then got like retardedly lucky because the store I had gotten my Delton parts kit for the stock and other tidbits remembered my autistic ass and called me saying they had gotten in an A2 completed upper on consignment for ~$500. So I busted my ass down there and swooped the shit and sure enough other mfs were eyeing it and one was close to buying when I showed up and scooped. + +Honestly it really is luck of the draw as to where you can get one but H&R is going to start pumping out A1s on original tooling, as for A2s were kinda shit out of luck but keep your eye on r/gundeals since anons will have a carry handle on there every once in a while +--- 57865075 +>>57864933 +>insane, autistic, or both?? +Yes. + +Chambering is not in .280 Brit because the US trials rifle was in .308. Most of the rifle is built on BGS parts that Apex had at the time. Upper receiver and barrel are made by DSA, with a custom reverse threading on the muzzle to accept the long style flash hider. Upper has cuts to accept the indexing tabs on the clip guide dust cover. Lower is Imbel cut for a type A stock. Furniture is all from a gentleman who goes by Flypaper on FALfiles, including the hardware for the folding winter trigger guard. English walnut, soaked in half a dozen coats of pure tung oil over the course of just over two months, finished with a wax rub (linseed oil degrades in UV like sunlight). +>>57864979 +Mashing F5 on GunBroker for about three years until I found one for sub-$500 and made a horrible financial decision for one pointy boi. Came with a musty old sheath, pommel was marked "S.A.P." which is South African Police. +--- 57865120 +>>57864786 +you plan of saving some of the ammo for the rest of us with that mag anon? +--- 57865143 +>>57864422 +goddamn with the current handle shortage all the shit in that picture is about the cost of my tuition lol + +would you care to do a family shot for us less fortunate? +--- 57865149 +Is there even an option for a carry handle that isn't removable anymore? +--- 57865170 +>>57865075 +>marked "S.A.P." +Still the best part, to me. +--- 57865224 +>>57865149 +a lot of the supply dried up recently because of a perfect storm of events + +A lot of the older manufacturing houses have either gone bust or bought out and undergoing production line upscaling so that has basically made the supply of handles zero atm + +Next, the zoomer obsession with the 1970's -80's has finally reached gun circles and they started to eat up into the already limited supply and it isnt helped by the fact that talking heads on social media are hyping up carry handles as "remember this? its cool now" and now everyone and their mom wants a handle + +Lastly, the advent of retarded sight risers amongst the tactical-tards has started to make people realize that Stoner's original design relative to height over bore was right all along and are using carry handles as a less retarded looking alternative to having a skyscraper on your rifle for a sight + +overall its a pretty shitty situation as now us enthusiasts are going to have to contend with normies (1/2) +--- 57865237 +>>57865224 +(22) wanting older style uppers because their favourite friend simulator figure told them it was cool to have them now after 10+ years of tacti-shit rail spam on guns during the GWOT years. + +Leave it to misplaced zoomer nostalgia, lower supply due to industry changes, and e-celebs to make participating in my hobby cancer aids. + +ok blog post over +--- 57865402 +>>57865143 +Since I've fixed the brakes on my rx-7 I'll probably go sight this this thing in tomorrow, build is a nds upper with a Brownells 1/12 12.7 barrell and a mock moderator bringing me to length,some sort of gooseneck mount and a c-more, a surefire 6px front sight mounted flashlight, an ace limited vinyl acetate buttstock and an unbranded ar vintage lower (really recommend it because the font is very nice), the a2 is a genuine colt marked upper that I got along with the big hole sp1 upper for 150$ barrel is a Wilson arms stainless govt profile 1/7. The m16a1 is your usual nds with a Brownells 1/12 chrome lined, usgi furniture and sling, and unfortunately an anderson lower. I got lucky with that ebay buy +--- 57865511 +>>57865402 +--- 57865550 +>>57864891 +TNTE was a decent upper, but I ordered during covid and my upper took about 5 months longer than they said it would to arrive. I was pissed but didnt have much going on so I let it ride. Was a good upper, wish I hadnt sold the damn thing. +--- 57866685 +>>57862034 +They look unused, barely fired. The trigger is definitely not mil-spec, feels like a racegun one. A sleeper-build.. +--- 57867733 +I just think they're neat. +--- 57867765 +>>57863621 +I have a detachable carry handle and still want to get a gooseneck, just because I mostly shoot with irons and don't want to rezero them every time +I use optics a lot less so zeroing them doesn't bother me as much +--- 57867869 +>>57863112 +Talk like a fag +--- 57869136 +Bump +--- 57869190 +>>57867733 +Nice anon +--- 57869194 +>>57869136 +Maybe posting something abt a carry handle would be a better bump? +--- 57869263 +I just love 20 inch with carry handle AR. So classic, even if it's impractical compared to a 16 incher with a red dot. PSA needs to get the fuck going and make some more uppers. + +Also want to get an AR10 before some bullshit ban happens. + +I built a cheap m16a4ish DMR most would shit on but I just love this platform. +--- 57869665 +>>57865004 +Yeah. That's the problem with looking for A2s, just have to get lucky at a price you can afford. It's a pain. Happy to hear about H&R but like you said, kinda screws those of us that want an A2. That was my first issue rifle and I still remember how smooth it shot. M4 is handier but not as much a pleasure to shoot. +--- 57869687 +Hey guys can I join? +--- 57869690 +>>57865237 +All true. Worst part is all the zoomers will never use the iron sights and instead just mount an ARMS carry handle adapter and put a red dot on it. +--- 57869704 +>>57865550 +That's part of the reason that I'm not doing their pre-order. I don't want to pay now and wait for half a year or get a surprise billing at some point (I don't know if they bill when you order or when they ship). +--- 57869742 +>>57869704 +Iirc they billed me at order. Tbh it wasnt their fault entirely. I emailed them and asked what the deal was and they said an order of barrels they had expected to get hadnt arrived because of the massive gun buying spree the nation went on in 2020-2021. So they were waiting on that. Inconvieniant, but understandable imo. Was a solid, good upper. I miss it +--- 57869780 +>>57862148 +It’s weird for me dude, I didn’t get an M4 until several years in the service and things changed so fast, we lost some killer aesthetic. +--- 57869806 +>>57862177 +I MeAn +--- 57870026 +I want a 20” pencil barrel with a C7 upper so bad but they’re either more than I want to spend or not for sale anywhere +--- 57870325 +>>57870026 +Sick picture. +--- 57870355 +>>57870026 +I have brain damage so I really want to get a C7 upper that's had the forward assist shaved smooth after forging +--- 57870465 +>>57862148 +Anything that plays on contemporary rock radio. The kind of shit that says this + +> You're listening to KBRO radio where we play the latest hits from the artist you love. Tube in today for our 100 days of summer cash giveaway. Tickets are on sale for 5 finger death punch in some red state county far somewhere. Thanks for listening to KBRO radio, where we play nothing but rock. Here's some buckcherry with crazy bitch for all you ladies out there. + +>Garbage music intensifies. +--- 57870825 +>>57869687 +--- 57871690 +Bump +--- 57871718 +>>57858349 +>Heck off +I'm fucking sorry, I've been away for a minute, but when in the FLYING. FUCK. did we start with plebbitfag speak? +--- 57871867 +>>57862092 +Thanks for the credit, here's a (you) +>I want that stock but I don't want Airshit or to pay $700 + +Just finished a Colt 733 clone in 300 blackout with a fake dissy setup. It's got an adjustable low profile gas block under the handguard. +C'mon ATF, gibs me my tax stamps, three weeks and my lower isn't even out of research yet. +--- 57871879 +>>57864399 +nice suresneed +--- 57872240 +>>57869742 +Fair enough. Will have to consider them. May even cave and get an A1 as they have complete A1 uppers in stock. +--- 57873222 +Bump diff --git a/k/57857279.txt b/k/57857279.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4e116c3ee793c985d35221434596c77aab36870c --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57857279.txt @@ -0,0 +1,632 @@ +----- +--- 57857279 +There's a massive battle going on in the captial of Sudan right now +And there's aircraft and fighting going on everywhere +What +--- 57857293 +>>57857279 (OP) +Air port hit with air strikes +--- 57857303 +>>57857293 +--- 57857318 +The Ghost of Kyiartoum has been spotted +--- 57857499 +>>57857318 +what are manpads doing? +--- 57857531 +>>57857279 (OP) +That’s it, the nogs have finally got their hands on whiteys power, expect a black nuclear bomb within a few months and galactic colonization in a decade after they restart the pyramids using black soul and white machines +--- 57857534 +>>57857499 +>what are manpads doing? +Being high on khat presumably. +--- 57857542 +>>57857499 +Unironically probably locked up in storage somewhere. +--- 57857567 +>>57857499 +The jet is the governments attacking rebel positions which includes the presidential palace they took over. Also answers the question yet again that somehow extremists never fail to grasp, capitals/traditional locations of power mean nothing with modern instant communication where some politician a few safe countries away can direct action to be taken within a few minutes and gone the days of easy revolutions +--- 57857606 +>>57857279 (OP) +Odds these Mig-29 somehow end up in Ukraine? +--- 57857615 +>>57857279 (OP) +>>57857293 +>>57857303 +>>57857318 +So the convoy and the guys guarding the base just gave up and leave? Are they that retarded? How were they able to flight the planes, get the ammunition ready and then leave the airport without getting shut down? +--- 57857683 +Coup in Sudan? Whats going on? +--- 57857704 +Egyptian "Thunderbolt" special forces personnel captured as well +--- 57857708 +>>57857683 +Airplanes bombing +--- 57857718 +>>57857708 +--- 57857721 +>>57857567 +Yeah but if you capture all the control points the timer starts and you win the round. +--- 57857724 +>>57857704 +Noooooo! Not the Thunderbolts! +--- 57857735 +>>57857567 +>apitals/traditional locations of power mean nothing with modern instant communication where some politician a few safe countries away can direct action +Nigga please, in a successful coup theres nothing to direct. The army just defects to one side, most coups are like that, they have minimal combat with a few loyal units that didnt get the memo. +Its a sort of election where only generals get to vote and where the president is doesnt matter. Hes shitting his pants in some bunker and not directing anything +--- 57857737 +>>57857718 +--- 57857740 +>>57857279 (OP) +The fuck is going on over there? +--- 57857742 +>>57857718 +>>57857708 +>>57857704 +>>57857683 +>>57857615 +>>57857567 +>>57857531 +>>57857318 +>>57857303 +>>57857293 +>>57857279 (OP) +>Leak information about Egypt sending weapons to Russia +>This happens +Well done CIA, not that sloppy so far +--- 57857747 +>The violence came after weeks of mounting tensions between the Sudanese Army, led by Gen. Abdel Fattah al-Burhan, and the Rapid Support Forces, a powerful paramilitary group led by Lt. Gen. Mohamed Hamdan. The two generals united to seize power in a coup in October 2021, making them effectively the leader and deputy leader of Sudan. +Who are the good guys? +--- 57857759 +>>57857737 +--- 57857761 +>>57857567 +>capital is just symbolic +>haha if you dont capture the president you cant win +--- 57857763 +>>57857737 +>Only difference between the army and the rebels is the army has nicer technicals +wew +--- 57857784 +>>57857759 +One on the right is a T-62 isn't it? +--- 57857789 +>>57857742 +>Egypt then sends more weapons to Russia +--- 57857803 +>>57857789 +Oh no not the Egyptian weapons +--- 57857816 +>>57857789 +It appears the coup is nationwide +--- 57857821 +>>57857747 +No one, just sit back and enjoy the show. +--- 57857829 +>>57857816 +--- 57857890 +>>57857829 +More Egyptians captured +--- 57857908 +>>57857890 +--- 57857930 +>>57857683 +Nigs nogging +--- 57857932 +>>57857737 +Toyota War II? +--- 57857937 +>>57857784 +No. Is Type 85-II-M, easily spotted from the square holes in the plastic track flaps. +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_80/88_main_battle_tank +--- 57857941 +>>57857708 +Doesn’t Sudan af have q5 and su25? Why bomb run with your mig 29s with like 50 hours of engine life left? +--- 57857964 +>>57857941 +Small chance they're just using Egyptian Mig-29s +--- 57857970 +>>57857941 +Knowing third world militaries, it's probably a question of unit loyalty to whoever is in charge. Loyal troops get the best equipment, which for Sudan would be Mig-29s, so that's what they use. +--- 57858064 +>>57857747 +>good guys? +Nobody. It's Sudan. The government's less pure evil if you need somebody to root for in that the rebel forces are literally their fucking SS wing and maybe they'll learn that employing genocidal rapist militias is a bad thing from this, but the whole thing's fucked and they probably won't. +--- 57858087 +>>57858064 +It's all fucked +--- 57858093 +>>57857964 +--- 57858119 +>>57857932 +>Toyota war II +Not enough J70s left for that, anon-kun +It's mostly hilux pickups , and some of those boxy Chinese armored vehicles. +--- 57858203 +Which side is backed by Egypt and which side is backed by Ethiopia? That dam on the Blue Nile must be factoring into this somewhere. +--- 57858215 +>>57858119 +--- 57858231 +>>57857890 +No fear, Unit 777 is probably on the way to save the hostages. +--- 57858260 +>>57857742 +>Sudan is Egypt +Eh? This isn't 1903 when glorious British Egypt was a thing and Sudan was part of it. +--- 57858261 +>>57858231 +Unit 777 is part of Sa'ka force >>57857704 +--- 57858267 +>>57857964 +You heard of Elf on a Shelf +Now comes Nig in a Mig +--- 57858269 +Are you sure these are rebels, or just a faction of the military / government?? +--- 57858280 +>>57858269 +I mean they are rebelling, so they are rebels by definition. So what are you even talking about? +--- 57858281 +>>57858203 +The side which is capturing the Egyptians would be supported by Ethiopia +--- 57858285 +>>57857908 +Oh no not the medical corps +--- 57858296 +>>57857279 (OP) +Are the muzzos ever NOT dirking to allah about something? +--- 57858334 +>>57858261 +Well fuck, I was joking but now there is a possibility of 777 being involved. +--- 57858390 +>>57858269 +The RSF is a paramilitary that the Sudanese military dictatorship created to beat/rape/murder pro-democracy protesters and troublesome minorities. + +They're rebelling because the military has a strong grip on things again and is trying to diminish their power now that they're no longer needed. +--- 57858420 +>>57857567 +>capitals/traditional locations of power mean nothing +But at least you got to take a dump in a gold toilet before your coup failed. +--- 57858441 +>>57858390 + +The RSF's core and key leadership positions are all former Janjaweed who got their start killing in Darfur. + +Both sides are just different sides of the same military dictatorship that are trying to tie up the calls for civilian government. +--- 57858478 +>>57857789 +>inb4 Ukraine getting Abrams from Russia first due to the eternal abandooner +--- 57858557 +>>57857747 +>good guys +listen, the whole "hurr durr avengers comic book durr" seethe thing is cringe and all, but you aren't exactly helping yourself here. +If you care enough to pick sides do your own research, otherwise just watch the fireworks. +--- 57858610 +>>57858557 +Stop being such a smug little fucknugget and point us to english-language sources on the current conflict. +--- 57858790 +>>57857318 +Ghost of KFC +--- 57858816 +>>57857279 (OP) +I guess they ran out of Syrian and Libyan refugees to flood Europe with so now they are creating more Sudanese refugees. +--- 57858847 +>>57857742 +>>57857789 +>>57857803 +These reports were proven false by both the whitehouse and the kremlin spokesman +--- 57859167 +wtaf even is the Egyptian airforce. + +>oldschool F-16's that can't do BVR combat +>couple dozen Rafales +>barely serviceable Russian jets +--- 57859241 +>>57859167 +We follow a policy of getting a little bit from every country so that no one supplier can control our procurement +--- 57859260 +>>57859241 +>no cross compatibility +>zero logistical overlap +>end up with <36 BVR compatible fighter jets + +bold strategy, let's see if it pays off +--- 57859282 +>>57857759 +Holy shit they are as well armed as russia +--- 57859321 +>>57857747 +That's the best part, there isn't one. +--- 57859363 +>>57857784 +>>57857937 +Reminder that during the last Sudanese Civil War the Sudanese T-72's got BTFO by South Sudan's Type 60's with 120mm. +--- 57859430 +Truly, Pax Americana is finally over. +--- 57859448 +>>57859363 +--- 57859453 +>>57859448 +--- 57859524 +>>57859453 +--- 57859539 +>>57859321 +As long as the bombs are on target, that is actually the best part. +--- 57859556 +Kino stuff like this makes me feel like a modern day equivalent of the old Romans in the Colosseum, watching two barbarians fighting to the death while eating honeyed locusts. +Will be interesting to see if this makes the military stronger or weaker afterwards. +--- 57859558 +>>57857789 +>US then funds Ethiopia and they completely shut off the nile with their dam +A lot of dried out egyptian piggies mmh :) +--- 57859575 +>>57859556 +--- 57859617 +>>57857908 +Turns out Russia is behind this +--- 57859788 +>>57859617 +--- 57859922 +>>57859167 +>oldschool F-16 +They have some of the most modern F-16s, Block 52 +They're just not allowed to have AMRAAM because the US does what Israel says +--- 57859969 +I hope Al Bashir hangs them by the balls +--- 57859984 +>>57857279 (OP) +>Egyptian Mig-29s captured +Time to send rescue team. + +Guess how will they fuck it up +--- 57860026 +>>57859984 +1 MiG destroyed during airborne insertion. + +2 more damage during crossfire. + +Pilots shot by snipers while attempting to flee captors. +--- 57860064 +>>57857279 (OP) +They should use them to bomb the Ethiopian dam. +--- 57860085 +>>57860064 +it cant be bombed anymore, ethiopia has already filled the reservoir behind it +the only way is to slowly drain it which would require a special military operation +--- 57860191 +>>57859575 +Lol, that's the (middle) East Center, Helsinki. :DDD +--- 57860220 +Anyone got a full map of all airports/airfields in Sudan? +Pic related doesn't have Merowe, which the RSF captured. +--- 57860222 +why is america sponsoring a sudan coup now? +--- 57860232 +>>57857747 +The civilians. +--- 57860311 +Looks like even parts Sudan's military wants freedom from Egyptian, Saudi, Emirati hegemony! +--- 57860346 +>>57860232 +Lol +--- 57860379 +>>57860346 +Get fucked un +--- 57860387 +>>57860346 +Holy shit this clip is kino +https://twitter.com/amalhamdanelex/status/1647194364634972162?s=20 +--- 57860395 +>>57859575 +Airport security is crazy nowadays +--- 57860435 +>>57860379 +I guess they don't like food and medical supplies in Sudan. +--- 57860476 +>>57857279 (OP) +>Sudanese Rebels +LMAO, what ZOG proxy is behind this "coup"? +--- 57860517 +>>57860476 +>a situation which existed before I heard about it which I know nothing about?? must be jews!!! +--- 57860525 +>>57858267 +Damn it here's your "you". I chuckled. +--- 57860572 +>>57860517 +Yes. +--- 57860730 +Correct me if I'm missing anything or wrong on any points, +>RSF launch widespread attack to try and capture several airports and bases using technicals +>Successfully capture Merowe/Marawi airpot along with ~10 Egyptian MiG-29s and dozens of Egyptian servicemen +>Capture Khartoum International Airport as well +>Capture Jebel Aulia/Jabal Awliya airbase which houses a bunch of derelict Hinds +>Failed to capture all Sudanese airfields since the Sudanese Air Force is able to launch airstrikes in an around Khartoum +>Low flying MiG-29s strike Khartoum International Airport since it's held by the rebels, destroying at least the Saudi Airbus A330-300 HZ-AQ30, SkyUp Boeing 737-800 UR-SQH, a UN aircraft, as well as the arrival terminal of the airport itself +>Tank battles on Port Sudan +>Night falls +>Egypt considering launching a rescue operation for their prisoners +>You are here +--- 57860786 +>>57860730 +Maybe this +--- 57860928 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKKJnho5gnU [Embed] +--- 57860969 +>>57857683 +chimp out with the aim of securing a western aid package +--- 57861258 +>>57857742 +Take your meds +--- 57861375 +>>57857531 +The coup attempt is being led by Arab militias. The whole split between Sudan and South Sudan happened because of race. +--- 57861454 +>>57859241 +>not using all that money to Jumpstart a local air industry. +Pakis did it, but Egyptians are another level of incompetent to ever do that. +--- 57861662 +>>57859558 +The dam is too full. If they shut it it'll overflow and break. The only way Ethiopia could fuck up Sudan and Egypt would be the opposite, to create a flood by discharging it all at once, and then maybe they could shut it afterwards. +--- 57861793 +>>57857683 +>list includes pro-western monarchs who were murdered by Soviet-backed Communist revolutionaries +Do negroes really believe that bullshit? +--- 57861842 +>>57861454 +as if anything we could make can compete with a Mig or F-16 lmao +--- 57861933 +>>57860085 +>it cant be bombed anymore, ethiopia has already filled the reservoir behind it +It can still be bombed it would just flood everything downstream +Which would be based and GLA pilled +--- 57862051 +>>57859617 +>Trying to get support from China for your war +>Have Wagner zap some chinese contractors and jump their claim + +>Trying to buy ammo and weapons from Egypt +>Support a coup against their puppet neighbour, have their pilots and troops executed + +Why is Russia like this? +--- 57862139 +>>57861793 +People on the internet just pretend China and Russia never do any subversion, spycraft. +--- 57862185 +>>57860730 +Why don't Africans film this stuff, or maybe they do but it ends up in close whatsapp circles or something +--- 57862209 +>>57862185 +Everything I greentexted (except Egypt considering a rescue) was filmed. It's all super easy on Twitter if you just search for terms like "Khartoum." I don't even need a Twitter account to keep up. +>RSF launch widespread attack to try and capture several airports and bases using technicals +--- 57862223 +>>57862185 +>>57862209 +>Successfully capture Merowe/Marawi airpot along with ~10 Egyptian MiG-29s and dozens of Egyptian servicemen +Cont. +--- 57862234 +>>57862185 +>>57862223 +--- 57862243 +>>57862185 +>>57862234 +>Capture Khartoum International Airport as well +--- 57862248 +>>57862185 +>>57862243 +>Capture Jebel Aulia/Jabal Awliya airbase which houses a bunch of derelict Hinds +--- 57862255 +>>57862185 +>>57862248 +>Failed to capture all Sudanese airfields since the Sudanese Air Force is able to launch airstrikes in an around Khartoum +--- 57862269 +>>57862185 +>Low flying MiG-29s strike Khartoum International Airport since it's held by the rebels, destroying at least the Saudi Airbus A330-300 HZ-AQ30, SkyUp Boeing 737-800 UR-SQH, a UN aircraft, as well as the arrival terminal of the airport itself +Cont.; this has the most footage +--- 57862288 +>>57862269 +--- 57862300 +>>57857704 +Why are they whiter than an American or British unit, this is not fair /k/ros ... +--- 57862302 +>>57862288 +--- 57862310 +>>57862302 +--- 57862324 +>>57862310 +--- 57862331 +>>57862185 +>>57862324 +>Tank battles on Port Sudan +--- 57862344 +>>57862185 +>>57862331 +>Night falls +In summation, plenty of footage. Honestly some of this stuff is February 2022 tier. I left out several videos too because I can't be assed to keep making webms; lots more Fulcrums weaving between buildings and firing rockets. +--- 57862363 +>>57862288 +>>57862269 +>>57862344 +How come the rebels have 0 AA? +--- 57862367 +>>57862331 +I wanna see some Sudanese ztz-96s in action God damn it +--- 57862397 +>>57857941 +Maybe because there isn't 50 hours left and you underestimate their capabilities? +--- 57862424 +>>57862363 +If I had to guess I'd assume because they only ever really fought Darfur rebels and Houthis, neither of which field noteworthy air assets. +You can see they have AAA on their technicals in >>57862209 though. They might've been caught off guard by the quickness of the Sudanese Air Force's response, particularly when their plan involved the capture of airports and airbases. +--- 57862427 +>>57859167 +The Navy has those Russian helicopters for the carrier that France almost sold Russia. +--- 57862467 +>>57862209 +>>57862344 +Thanks for the clipping. Good stuff +--- 57862686 +>>57857279 (OP) +So, any chance Egypt will get involved? +--- 57862799 +Wikipedia already has a rough map going. + +Honestly I'm impressed both with the RSF's ability to coordinate a simultaneous surprise attack across the country and seize several of it's objectives, as well as with the Sudanese government's ability to land on it's feet and successfully retaliate with airstrikes. +--- 57863000 +>>57862686 +not really, we are no in financial shape to fight a war and we dont really need to anymore >>57861758 +--- 57863066 +>>57862051 +Wait until you find out what they do to their close allies or their own country. +--- 57863123 +>>57860435 +Retardo warlords always attack humanitarian aid. When you're using access to food, water and medicine as part part of how you enforce order, some nosy foreigners trying to help people are an enemy. +--- 57863168 +>>57860730 +not gonna lie a rescue op would be pure kino +--- 57863181 +>>57863000 +Aren't you fighting a war or two anyway? +--- 57863305 +>>57863181 +Egyptian and Jordan involvement in Yemeni civil war is effectively paid by Saudis and other Gulf states. Their governments might actually make money out of it, they are selling diplomatic credibility to the Saudi led coalition. That is something you need to consider anytime Egypt does something outside of its borders, because its 50/50 split if they are going for their own regional interests and objectives or just renting their army out for cheap loans from the Gulf. +--- 57863372 +>>57862799 +Sometimes both sides are too evenly matched +--- 57863401 +>>57857890 +God I hope we get to see some good aircraft v aircraft footage out of this + +>>57858231 +May Allah have mercy on those poor bastards (the hostages, not the captors) +--- 57863430 +>>57863372 +--- 57863688 +>>57860517 +this but unironically +--- 57863711 +>>57857742 +elaborate, I don't make the connection. +--- 57863930 +>>57858281 +The JSF are the Sudanese government's goon squad, they'd support the Arab side anyway. +--- 57864899 +>>57863430 +NEW FIGHTING +--- 57864928 +>>57864899 +--- 57864944 +>>57864928 +Woot woot +--- 57865056 +>>57857742 +>/k/ supports glowniggers now +--- 57865926 +>>57865056 +Ee +--- 57866032 +>>57865926 +Why did all the fucking footage just stop? +--- 57866068 +>>57857742 +The RSF, AKA the people who started this coup, are friends with Wagner and have been trading Gold to Russia apparently. +--- 57866153 +>>57857279 (OP) +Will Egypt send troops? +--- 57866260 +>>57862255 +kino +--- 57866271 +>>57862363 +>>57862424 +Here's footage of the RSF using that AAA. + +>>57864928 +Every video on that account is flipped horizontally for some reason. +--- 57866474 +>>57866271 +That's amazing +--- 57866621 +>>57866032 +Its nighttime +--- 57868391 +>>57862427 +Those Kamov's that were reduced to flying MLRS and shake like a shitting dog on a cold morning? + +Impressive. +--- 57868886 +>>57861454 +Pakistan is an odd place they would be living in mud huts and have a strong tribal society but somehow can put up machine shops inside the ancient ruins of some big brick warehouse or just use files and a press drill to make firearms in some dark room in their house. There is an entire YouTube genre of Pakistani machining videos where safety is always off and you wonder how they got the electricity to run the machines. +--- 57868906 +>>57862209 +Do you think the person that took that video is still stuck on that plane trying to figure out if they will get a refund for their ticket? +--- 57869186 +>>57862799 +Civil war soon. +--- 57869308 +>>57869186 +Tank fighting +--- 57869409 +>>57857567 +Not true if you grab the nerve centers of command and the treasury +--- 57869455 +>>57869409 +Or burn it down +--- 57869643 +Does Sudan have some hidden T-34 they can take out for the memes? +--- 57869696 +tanks of the sudanese army engage the RSF, id? +--- 57869725 +>>57869455 +--- 57869739 +So it seems the both the Sudanese Armed Forces and the RSF have on paper 100k men. We are in for a wild ride. +--- 57869747 +>>57862051 +Same as it ever was. +--- 57869778 +>>57859282 +Underrated kek +--- 57869788 +>>57857279 (OP) +>At least several +--- 57869866 +>>57869739 +https://twitter.com/Eren50855570/status/1647522750750154753?s=20 +--- 57869880 +>>57857279 (OP) +They may have captured the planes and the pilots. But what good are they without the mechanics, ground crew, supplies, munitions, parts, air/ground traffic control, etc? +--- 57869918 +>>57869880 +They have some AA but Sudanese airforce is giving them hell +--- 57869925 +>>57869918 +--- 57870511 +>>57869925 +oops +--- 57870619 +>>57870511 +--- 57870633 +>>57870619 +--- 57871586 +>>57869739 +They have roughly equal numbers, but RSF is entirely motorized infantry, whereas the government has infantry, armor, and air. +RSF doesn't seem to have any air defenses except AAA mounted on Toyotas, too. +--- 57872214 +>>57871586 +Here's that AAA in action. +Firing pattern matches >>57862344 with two bursts. +--- 57872292 +Okay, this is interesting and I could use some second opinions on it. +This is from Port Sudan, and shows this guy with this emblem right next to three friendly tanks. The emblem looks to me like a variation of the RSF seal, and I can't find similar emblems in the government forces. If this is the case, it can be assumed the RSF has captured government armor. +https://twitter.com/TramaZoul/status/1647593325573074944 +Again, secondary opinion would be appreciated, and I'm not saying anything for certain. +--- 57872579 +So who do we support, the army or the RSF? +--- 57872685 +I know absolutely nothing about Sudan or who is invading who, so rather than asking for a spoonout I'll do some reading and map surveying to see what the fuck is going on. Back in a few. +--- 57872831 +>>57872685 +so it's basically another civil war +--- 57873126 +>>57862139 +Shut up, retard. Can't say shit about anything involving the US military without everyone calling you a chink or vatnigger. diff --git a/k/57857308.txt b/k/57857308.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0a7177a1976d50d08a9bbd87a8915dd2e5d4ecd6 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57857308.txt @@ -0,0 +1,521 @@ +----- +--- 57857308 +Stalker thread + +Just got back from a stalker challenge. I went out last night under cover of darkness. I canoed across the lake a little more than a mile to an uninhabited island that no one goes to. It's totally inaccessible by any boat with a motor. Even if you want to get to with a kayak or a canoe you have to bounce the boat over 50 meters of high weeds and mangrove to actually get to shore. This was a pretty short excursion and there's no abandoned structure, just an abandoned island. For the scoring this will be Novice difficulty because I only camped overnight not for a solid 24 hours, and technically I was just innawoods. The lake is patrolled by a wildlife officer I had to sneak around getting to the site and leaving it this morning. It's a very popular sporting lake so the risk of getting cheeki breeki is higher than not. But I was not busted. This was just a spur of the moment thing, just good to stretch the legs and have some fun. I'll post other stalker challenges I've done later in the thread and other anons feel free. Stalker challenge is just an excuse to go outside and play in the woods with guns. +--- 57857333 +here's from my step off. Loaded up the canoe with my ak and my pack. I have a large tarp strapped onto my pack and I have a sposn vest. + +>>57857322 +lol nothing, seems thats all the board is nowadays. I am wearing a freedom patch so that at least has the ukrainian flag on it +--- 57857361 +this is what I mean by the very tall weeds. In order to get to the island you have to navigate around a quarter mile of submerged stumps. Then you get to about 50 meters of 6 foot tall saplings and weeds. You have to like bounce the canoe and push yourself off the bottom to carve a way through. It's also worth mentioning when I pushed off the canoe a magazine fell out of my vest and into the lake. It was only a foot of water so I was able to get it back. Make sure all your magazines are strapped in lol +--- 57857379 +After stealthily canoeing around the wildlife officer I made it to shore. I made my little shelter with the tarp and made myself a fire. +--- 57857398 +There are no signs of deer, humans, anything on this island. The briars are so thick you have to machete around wherever you go like its the jungle. The only inhabitants of the island are hundreds of birds. Some making some wild noises that I've never heard birds make before. +--- 57857415 +I set up camp so that my back would be to the water and the opening of my shelter would be inland. The corner of the island I made camp on is also the part of the island furthest from the center of the lake and the area where motored boats can safely navigate. My fire and noise pollution were not seen by anybody. +--- 57857442 +After setting up camp I did jack shit. I ate a santa claus chocolate bar leftover from christmas and called it a night. There was a lot of bird chatter and a lot of birds hopping around on the ground around my shelter. But nothing wild or paranormal. Managed to sleep a few hours before dawn hit +--- 57857456 +lying down with the tarp flap open enjoying the fresh cool air. This was just as dawn was starting to break +--- 57857470 +smoking an antonio cleopatra cigar to start the day, simultaneously fulfilling the need to smoke something for my freedom bonus points +--- 57857483 +By this time I could hear the lake starting to wake up, people opening and closing car doors, engines running, boat's going up and down the way +--- 57857496 +here I'm just showing what I got in my vest. This is a very bright flashlight that was crucial in spotting stumps last night +--- 57857500 +and I was running barnaul in all my magazines +--- 57857505 +couple smoke bombs +--- 57857519 +had my sig p229 as my secondary as well, as you can tell most of these pictures are just me holding things up +--- 57857529 +saw no floppies to slot +--- 57857536 +cheeki breeki iv damke +--- 57857555 +and thats when I decided it was about time to head out. I didn't want to stay so late that people really started waking up, and would question me on my return trip +--- 57857562 +This is the weeds in the day light. What you see there is my path from the night before. Just having to push my way through +--- 57857581 +and behind me going back to the island. in the future I might start adding to the island to make it a little more homely. I can confidently say I'm the only person autistic enough to get to make it here, so I know no one will ever bother me. +--- 57857591 +finally back on open water. There's so much submerged tree trunks and stuff no one with a big boat ever comes back here, let alone even considers the possibility of going to the island. +--- 57857637 +and after this all I had to do was canoe past the wildlife officer and I was home free. I have my pack and ak and everything else under the tarp there. I wasn't doing anything illegal this trip, I just didn't want to talk to law enforcement if I didn't need to. Sitting in a boat with full tactical getup, guns and ammo can get you some unwanted attention sometimes. + +If I added everything up correctly this trip I got 65 points. + +novice difficulty got me 0 + +freedom faction +15 + +5 for wearing flektarn + +10 for smoking something + +lighting fire and squatting around it +10 + +Loner and Adventurer addon's counted as one for +20 points + +I've got the scoresheet and rules after this post, plus whatever cool pictures I have from previous stalker outings +--- 57857674 +this is from a cement factory I did in 2019 +--- 57857686 +the cement factory was full of all kinds of cool graffiti +--- 57857712 +>>57857646 +I like how you get extra points for bringing LESS ammo. Oh, "only" 90 rounds? Gee I may not survive through the night, that's barely enough to down a crackhead. +--- 57857730 +this is from a homeless methhead encampment I stumbled upon once. 7 or 8 different crazy homeless people living about 2 miles into the woods in an abandoned truck stop. They were pretty cool when they weren't accusing me of stealing photographs of their dead relatives + +>>57857712 +no matter how much ammo i had on me I never felt safe around addicts +--- 57857750 +this basement cowboy is giving me a tour of, he was planning on putting a couch in and turning into his own little clubhouse. He also told me that a month before I showed up 4 dead bodies were found in this basement and the police needed cowboy to come down there and identify the corpses. But anyways yeah he's gonna put a huge flatscreen right here, gonna get some carpet put down here, fix those lights. +--- 57857771 +that was a fun time, their truck stop got bulldozed by the city so hopefully theyre all dead now +--- 57857801 +Here's a different truck terminal from 2019. This one didn't have any homeless people. Actually it didn't have any living things inside of it at all. Turns out it was fucking radioactive and I got radiation sickness being in this fucking thing. Had to have blood samples taken every hour for 9 hours after this. Pumpin me full of iodine and shit. National radiological community or whatever the fuck its called was notified, they still aint done nothing about it. You can still just walk right in this place +--- 57857813 +I don't feel so good in here squidward +--- 57857825 +and my last excursion was last winter. Hiked out past this 5g tower to an abandoned little shack +--- 57857834 +>>57857825 +well that pictures fucked lol + +anyways here's the 5g tower +--- 57857848 +abandoned shack from the outside, spooky + +these are the last of my pictures im posting today. feel free to post your own stuff! Stalker is just a way of making going innawoods a little more fun. You have some objectives and stuff to do. Be safe out there stalkers! +--- 57857903 +>>57857308 (OP) +Good read. +--- 57858037 +>>57857637 +Absolutely based, thanks for sharing anon. +--- 57858102 +>>57857322 +Kill yourself bot. +--- 57858148 +>>57857801 +Why in the fuck was it radioactive? +--- 57858326 +>>57857705 +How did you get in my house?! +--- 57858384 +>>57858148 +why in the fuck IS it radioactive. they still haven't tore the building down or even put up signs. To the best of my knowledge they haven't even sent someone out there with a geiger counter. It was a truck depot/warehouse that worked for the uranium enrichment factory 45 minutes down the road. Turns out the factory was leaking radioactive particles everywhere, tons of safety hazards. When the factory had to start shutting down (still in the process of shutting down because radioactive shit doesn't just stop) the trucking warehouse company went out of business. This was like 2002 I think. That truck depot is radioactive as fuck. But no one's been in it (besides me) in 20 years. Take a geiger counter outside, nothing. It's normal ambient radiation levels. But take it inside and start kicking up all that dust in there and you're breathing in some bad shit. Just being in there about 12 hours the doctor said I had accumulated about 1 gray of radiation. I did not get ARS, but I did get radiation poisoning. I was nauseous and had pains in my head and gut. But then about a month later all the symptoms come back again a second time twice as bad and that fucking sucked because I was working. Radiation is super bad for you kids. Sometimes abandoned shit should just be left abandoned. The only thing notifying the nuclear administration did was stop the city who planned to demolish the building. It is still there, still in limbo, no signs up, nothing. I think I left a stalker cache in the bathroom. +--- 57858417 +>>57857519 +Nice belly rig +--- 57858465 +>>57857730 +>>57857801 +I'm a big fan of your work. +--- 57858498 +I think the ultimate Stalker challenge is 24-hours in Detroit, old neighborhoods. +--- 57858667 +>>57858417 +ordered it just before the war started and trade sanctions went up. But customs denied it anyways. So vlad being a bro slapped some more stamps on it and mailed it to jamaica to mail it to me. really lightweight and gets the job done. +--- 57858801 +>>57857801 +I remember that, were you sterilized? +--- 57858886 +>>57858801 +I don't know. I haven't gotten gf pregnant yet but we also havent been trying. We've been together since before the radioactive business and we didn't get pregnant then either. She almost went on this excursion today but backed out and went to bed at the last moment. +--- 57858929 +>>57857771 +Are those rings or was cowboy brass knuckled the whole time? +--- 57858941 +>>57858886 +Well I hope it didn't fuck you up too bad, a relative of mine was stationed near the Fukushima disaster when it happened and wound up getting irradiated and sterilized by some sort of radiation cloud that passed by his area. +--- 57858955 +>>57857505 +What kind of smoke bombs? +--- 57858976 +>>57858886 +What a kino pic. I want a gunpilled gf +--- 57858989 +>>57858929 +kinda both? he had super heavy rings on both hands. but also the entire time he had pliers in his hands as well as if they brass knuckles. like with the two handles sticking out between his fingers (also I feel fine posting his face now because I've heard through the grape vine cowboy is no longer with us rip) +--- 57859057 +>>57858955 +mammoth smoke and showtime smoke both white. they put out a huge volume. +--- 57859073 +>>57857750 +part of me envies wackjobs that can live like that +--- 57859096 +>>57857848 +>feel free to post your own stuff! +I found this floating near an abandoned dock in the middle of nowhere during a trip innawoods, does that count? +--- 57859106 +>>57857333 +> I am wearing a freedom patch so that at least has the ukrainian flag on it + +Was a promising thread but into the trash it goes. +--- 57859124 +>>57859106 +duty made this post +--- 57859158 +>>57857581 +Damn, making /k/ great again. +--- 57859163 +You ever had a run in with the wildlife officers before doing this? +--- 57859968 +good thread deserves a bump +--- 57860258 +That was a cool read OP +--- 57860269 +>>57857308 (OP) +https://discord.gg/5fYrpArS +stalkin discksword server +--- 57860344 +>>57857825 +>tfw caught in a bandit snare +--- 57860360 +>>57857801 +What does having radiation sickness feel like? +--- 57860385 +Ever had any run ins with the law while stalkan? +--- 57860414 +>>57860269 +>discord +--- 57860429 +>>57857308 (OP) +Stalker as in the game or stalker as in "the restraining order can't stop me"? +--- 57860434 +nice thread anon, that looked like a lot of fun +--- 57860447 +>>57857308 (OP) +Sick shit anon, keep at it. Noting to add nods to the equation +--- 57860587 +>>57860385 +Please do a stalker run in that setup +--- 57860594 +>>57858989 +Have you considered LARPing as a green beret and training an indigenous meth head army? +--- 57860636 +>>57858465 +Holy shit. +--- 57860637 +>>57857415 +>no lights discipline +>your fire is visible 10 miles away to LLTV camera on any drone +Here is the lesson: with today's tech you have less visibility during day. +--- 57860699 +>>57860637 +Where are you that you're dealing with drone surveillance? +--- 57860740 +>>57860344 +you sick bastard +saved +--- 57860742 +>>57857308 (OP) +I've been considering doing what I think is quite possibly one of the most difficult stalker challenges possible recently. +The destination is North Brother Island, NYC. + +I'd have to traverse through Manhattan with a car, rifle, and all my gear, inflate a boat, and paddle through the East River in the middle of the night to the abandoned quarantine facilities on the island. +Obviously the waters around NYC are patrolled by militarized NYPD boats, and any fire on the island that isn't concealed has the potential to attract attention from the large population centers surrounding the island, as well as Rikers island prison nearby. +I think I'd call it "The Typhoid Mary Challenge" seeing as that woman was forcibly kept on the island her whole life. +The season for the attempt is coming up, I figure you need foliage to pull it off successfully because otherwise any motion would be much easier to detect. +--- 57860745 +>>57860699 +CONUS? +--- 57860753 +>>57858465 +>>57858384 +>>57858148 +>>57858465 + +Remember when another pair of STALKERS went out that trucking depot to confirm with actual military rad gear and didn't find shit? +Keep LARPing, I enjoy the show. + +https://archive.is/aC1e7 +https://archive.is/P4v5B +--- 57860779 +>>57860745 +feelsbadman +--- 57860813 +>>57860385 +What ak? It's long +--- 57860914 +>>57860447 +holy shit it's Luke m1911s +--- 57860984 +>>57857308 (OP) +Pretty cool anon, nice classic /k/ here +--- 57861021 +>>57860753 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f5KAIt0fRA [Embed] +--- 57862057 +>>57857308 (OP) +My stalker experience was when I saw this college woman wearing leggings without a skirt and a low cut top and followed her thinking she was drunk and--- oh wait. +Well I live in southeastern PA and I tried to drive around to find possible STALKER locations but kept seeing development, residential uppity homes, and closed signs. Some areas have been bought up and got repurposed. +Anyone have any suggestions for southeastern PA potential STALKERs besides leaving the state? +--- 57862080 +>>57862057 +God I need a duty wife +--- 57862534 +>>57860753 +Man thats cool as fuck! I never knew someone followed up and other stalkers went there. That's badass. I was always too scared to go back inside the structure. The post also makes the whole thing even fucking weirder. I did get radiation poisoning. I went on orders for the national rifle matches immediately following the short hospitalization for the radiation poisoning. And I mean right after, I drove 6 hours across the state right after having 9 viles of blood taken. About a month later I was sick called for the returning symptoms. I have like 10 plus people that all saw me pretty well suffering from this, and multiple different nurses and doctors treated me from different ends of the state. It is so fucking weird that they detected nothing. Could the warehouse have been neutralized in some way? Could the radioactive particles been a gas that escaped after I entered the site? I wonder if it was just a pocket of radioactive particles I kicked up, and it diluted and dissipated after I left? I'm not totally sure what happened with my camera was cherenkov effect, but it's never taken a normal picture since. That could just be wild coincidence. Their stalker trip left me with more questions than answers! But no that was really badass seeing someone else do stalker challenge where I have, and find my stash! Hats off to those guys for bringing the ppe and the infrared cameras and really going the extra mile. I am really happy that they didn't exposed to radiation too. As cool as it would be to see a confirmation of the irradiated truck terminal, I'm more relieved it's the USED to be irradiated truck terminal now. + +>>57860385 +>>57859163 +I've never had a run in with any law enforcement before. I always got the fuck outta there as soon as I got the inkling. At this cement factory we heard some loud shouting and male voices. We just hightailed it outta there before we found out who they were. Probably biomass factory employees, but I wasnt stickin around. +--- 57862611 +>>57860360 +it's a little bit different depending on what microrganisms in your body it's destroying first. For me my symptoms were an excruciating gut and head pain accompanied by sweating, fever, lethargy, nausea, vomiting. It was when I started throwing up I decided something was actually wrong and went to the hospital. My white blood cells were mostly fine, which is good news. Bad news my gut bacteria was mostly dead. Both in my stool sample and my urine sample. The reason they gotta take 8 additional (9 total) viles of blood is because the breakdown of your cells from radiation can happen over a prolonged period of time. So they measure the rate by which your cells are dying, over the course of an eight hour period, to kind of predict how fucked you're gonna be later. Because the symptoms suck now, but in 2 weeks to 6 months all of those symptoms come back again twice as fucking bad. It's returning symptoms or latent symptoms whatever you want to call it. When you get ARS it isn't the initial symptoms that usually kills you. You get the symptoms, feel terrible. But then you recover, feel better for a few weeks. Then bam it comes back twice as bad and then you die. Radiations really fucked, and the way it effects your body really depends on how much, how quickly, and in what way you absorbed the radiation. To me the worst part was 10 straight hours of the same 3 two and a half men episodes and the not being allowed to go to sleep. +--- 57862787 +>>57860447 +>>57860637 +I definitely need nods, just haven't been able to bite the financial bullet. Need to rebuild porch and seawall first. I wasn't worried about drones or aircraft this time around. I just kind of tagged it in there at the bottom of one of the pics, but my campsite is in the best defendable and hidden place on the island. The only one who was gonna bust me was the wildlife officer, and there was thick underbrush and elevation changes blocking his (or anyone on the lake) view of my fire or campsite. The lights are white light but they were always pointed straight down if used, and they were used very sparingly. Navigating the water getting there, with all the submerged stumps, you need a penetrating white light in the water if you're inserting during the night. But after that you can run nods. +>less visibility during the day +next time I'm going to get in place the evening before because I won't have to sneak past the wildlife officer, I'll just look like a normal dude. Then I'll bunker down for the night and work during the day. I want to machete out a bunch of paths on the island and really explore it. Besides my campsite the briars are so thick you can even stand up straight on the island. +--- 57863078 +>>57862057 +Praise monolith +--- 57863291 +>>57857637 +Cool thread OP +>>57858465 +Kek, getting radiation poisoning should give you 50+ points +--- 57863766 +So are any new stalker opportunities going to open up given the Colorado River situation? The US government just released their draft plans, and they're talking forcing Arizona to cut their water usage by 1/3 by 2024 and forcing California to cut up to 1/5 of their usage as well. There are articles talking about the possible elimination of the Glen Canyon Dam and Lake Powell as well. +--- 57863979 +>>57860742 +I won't say it's impossible but it's not worth the risk to try sneaking there. Picking a launch point you won't instantly be caught at is a monumental pain in the dick and then you're paddling hopefully with the tide very close to Rikers. Not that Rikers is some movie bullshit super high security lockup but you wouldn't want to be noticed on a raft near it at night. + +Even though in the end it would be a bad fine and community service for attempting to get to the island, you'd get really very fucked for having any kind of firearm on you at all. A folding knife would be the limit, you could get away with that even if you didn't manage to ditch it in the river if you were caught. + +You are going to look at parking by the coca cola warehouse. It's the first thing you'll decide on. Bring no gear and scout it the first night. The warehouses that make up hunts point are super active in the middle of the night, which is when you want to go. Being the only car there during the day is obvious but once you get the feel for how the night schedule goes you'll be in a better position. + +I kind of want to do this the more I think about it. It's such a bad idea. Seriously a firearm would be the deal breaker for me, you can't get caught there with one. +--- 57864148 +>>57857322 +Stalker is made by Ukranian devs and takes place in Ukraine +--- 57865173 +>>57857308 (OP) +reminds me of +https://youtu.be/2xnI1hZdltw [Embed] +--- 57866918 +Since there are some interesting places in this thread already, what are the best stalking zones across all of the United States? Anywhere with plenty of history or that's sufficiently dangerous enough. I take road trips frequently so it might be handy to keep some of these places in mind +--- 57867018 +>>57863979 +>I kind of want to do this the more I think about it. It's such a bad idea. +I know, right? I honestly don't think I'd be able to sleep at all, my heart would be in my throat constantly. +If I do bring a gun (really the worst possible idea in the whole stupid plan), I think it's probably going to be one I buy specifically for the trip, and it'll be a hipoint or something I can buy privately in another state, so if I have to bail and ditch it in the river I'm not emotionally or numerically tied to it. +I'm assuming nypd has thermals of some kind too, at least mounted on their watercraft if nothing else. +If the fucking river wasn't full of every disease known to man I'd say my best way in unnoticed is to wear a wetsuit, train for a few months, and pull my gear behind me as I swim in a drybag, but I'm not keen on needing a full course of antibiotics from all the bullshit floating in the water. +--- 57867343 +>>57860753 +so some dudes went over and fucked around, no mention of how they investigated possible dust.... but because the pictures were not blurry they decided no radiation? +anon... +>>57862534 +or it could have been a dust kicked up that they didnt kick up. +Reading the archive makes it look like they just walked around for a bit and looked to see if things spiked. +--- 57867385 +>>57857750 +Damn this man is the kinoest methhead. If I ever become a junkie I’m gonna innawoods it too +--- 57867433 +https://www.justice.gov/usao-pr/pr/fraticelli-trucking-company-inc-guilty-illegally-transporting-radioactive-material +so they were transporting cobalt 60. +probably for medical use? +its usually in disk or slug form and becomes a powder if damaged. +So not a lot of powder. +It has a half life of about 5-6 years. +that report concerns shit from 2014. +so even a small trace of that powder from some fuck dropping a bit of cobalt 60 could potentially cause issues, AND not be found later. +So far I see nothing to disprove the story. +The super autist STALKER report isn't detailed enough. +That shit is highly radioactive and a gamma emitter. +Unironically radioactive anon could have picked enough up on his boots to make him sick, walked out, and scraped it off in the woods on dirt by walking. +He even might have inhaled a scan few particles that were left. +--- 57868470 +>>57857674 +Zanesville Stalker? +--- 57868648 +>>57857637 +sick thread, great pics. thanks for sharing! +--- 57869256 +>>57867018 +NYPD maritime does not have thermals or NV. They have binocs. They probably know to sweep the outer edge of the island with the floodlight when they make their circuit because there is at least one article online about the island where someone went there and took photos just to write the article about it, but of course they went during the day so the photos would be decent. For all we know they could have just pulled up on one of the million privately owned pleasure boats in NYC after notifying maritime they were doing it for an article. + +Also it's one of the closest things to Rikers, again not high security. Rikers is a holding tank for people going back and forth to a courtroom, it's not a penitentiary. + +The water is fine. It's no different from any other ocean water on the northeast coast. There's no untreated sewage or industrial runoff. + +Honestly if you have to bring a smoke pole for the whole effort to "count", make a pipe gun. That's the smartest option that exists. It's also in line with the stalker aesthetic. I can't emphasize enough how much you always want to be ready to not have a gun on you if you got caught. + +The island is big enough that once you were on you could get to the interior and may as well be in the middle of the southwest. Set up a tent and build a fire because nobody's bothering you. The whole thing is getting there. It would take a while but scout the NYPD circuit, it won't be perfectly clockwork but you should get an idea of when you have to set out. Leaving too, know their schedule before you even set out. + +Something sturdy enough to mount an electric trolling outboard with a battery, and still carry over your head, would be ideal. It's a big expenditure if you don't already fish but it reduces your time in the open. +--- 57869585 +>>57862534 +>>57862611 +>>57867433 +Original thread had someone theorize it was gamma radiation because OP had not inhaled the alpha and beta emitters that nuke the gut. +If the gamma source was removed, there would be no particles/dust to provide evidence of contamination when "Vadim" showed up with a Geiger counter. +--- 57869669 +>>57863766 +Once the lakebed is dry, Caesar will cross the desert on foot +--- 57869718 +>>57862611 +So how did they treat your radiation sickness? +--- 57869735 +>tfw went to actual Chernobyl and haven't been the same physicañly ever since +--- 57869914 +>>57869735 +People were revisiting chernobyl regularly, stop being a pussy. +--- 57869973 +>>57857801 +Well fuck me I guess I’ll bring a Geiger counter if I even go stalking. +>>57858989 +F +>>57869585 +>Ohio +Someone please tell me this was in Ohio. I want some Stalker opportunities out here but suburban expansion and most of the state being private property means there isn’t much, at least around me, to go around. +Maybe places in WV or Kentucky? I’m also not worried of getting lit up by tweakers, land owners, poachers, or drug traffickers. +--- 57869998 +>>57869973 +Yes. +--- 57870035 +>>57869998 +Fucking hell, that’s right by me. +Also there is a place called Pee Pee. + +Any anons nearby wanna trek there? +--- 57870308 +>>57862534 +Dude, that looks fuckin sick. + +Here's my most recent adventure. Didn't go quite as planned though. I'll be doing another one here soon. + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf6azAfaJZk [Embed] +--- 57870715 +>>57862534 +> Could the warehouse have been neutralized in some way? +Absolutely. If we're talking about a gamma emitter, simply removing the source removes the radiation. If we're talking about dust, then yes, that can also dealt with in several ways, but you're going to know that someone went in there and cleaned up. A proper decon, if even possible, is not subtle. Nor is fixing the contamination in place, but I don't see that happening in a location that the public can access. Fixed contamination isn't a problem for people that know where it is and how to handle it, but those people are not the general public. The proper way to deal with a vacant building like that that's crapped up is to remove all traces of it, including the soil around it. + +>Could the radioactive particles been a gas that escaped after I entered the site? +It's possible, but not probable. + +>>57862611 +That's...odd for a number of reasons. I'm curious about why they started looking into radiation sickness in the first place. There are other conditions that can produce those symptoms, and I'd think that radiation sickness is generally not the first thing that a doctor is going to suspect, especially if the bloodwork looks decent. I'm also curious about whether or not they checked your clothing for contamination, whether or not the NRC was notified, and what the follow up looked like. My understanding is that if some rando shows up at a hospital with radiation sickness, notifications are made, investigations are started, and a whole lot of shit follows. My knowledge of the process outside of the industry is admittedly limited however. + +>>57867433 +Co-60 has a number of uses. It's normally transported and stored inside shielding and doesn't get directly handled, as it's nasty shit to be around. Think of a shielded box with a door that can be opened to aim the gammas in a specific direction. It shouldn't be leaving powder on the ground. +>t. contamination worker +--- 57871029 +>>57865173 +This guy has interesting videos. +>walks into stores during riots to film +--- 57871093 +>>57857637 +Very cool OP, you're not a faggot for once. +--- 57871305 +I just realized north maine has abandoned logging towns and there is probably a very justifiable reason to carry in a trip there so it’s an automatic way to complete the challenge +--- 57871321 +>>57870715 +In the original thread anons told OP he was probably suffering from radiation sickness so he went to the ER and told them he may have been exposed. They looked into radiation sickness because that's what OP told them on arrival. +--- 57871370 +>>57870715 +Happy someone's in the thread actually knows what they're talking about! Yeah they told me the Nuclear Radiological commission or whatever they're called was notified. I had to talk to a police officer who took like a quick little memo, the cop was just concerned if I was doing anything "illegal" (apperentley trespassing with a gun isn't illegal to him). I told them when I got to the hospital I thought I had radiation sickness. They took urine and blood samples right away, then like 2 minutes after they took the blood samples a bunch of nurses came rushing into the waiting room to get me, and told me I did in fact have radiation poisoning. They just made me take iodine pills if I remember correctly, and gave me a few water bottles. Never made me take off my clothes (granted I had changed into a new pair of street clothes before I went to the hospital). They just took a vile of blood every hour for eight hours and released me at the end. About 4 or 5 hours in the doctor came in and told me that I had absorbed about 1 gray of radiation. That I didn't develop ARS but I had significantly exposed myself to nonmedical radiation. He said I would be okay in the short term, but there was no telling what kind of long term damage I might've done. That was about it. I never got a follow up from a cop or anyone else. Nothing from the NRC either. Sounding kind of conspiracy now, but I wonder if the NRC or some other body did come to the site after I went to the hospital and removed the source of the radiation. I doubt it, but I can't help but speculate. +--- 57871533 +>>57871321 +>>57870715 + +>Telling the feds about an orphan radiation source +>not sharing the location on /k/ so we can go and stick our penises in it + +What the fuck dude? +--- 57871589 +>>57860344 +Why did he do it bros +--- 57871600 +>>57871533 +locations right here bro, we need more boots on the ground. bring a geiger counter and keep us in the know! +--- 57871628 +>>57857308 (OP) +If you don't mind I'd like to share some images I collected from a nearby shutdown concrete plant +--- 57871640 +>>57871628 +And to ruin the surprise for you, there was no dead body. Massive let down +--- 57871650 +>>57857379 +How did he not find you anon +--- 57871657 +>>57871533 +>shaka +is this the new chudwhistle? +--- 57871670 +>>57871640 +However there was this area, I'm torn between dubbing it the Oasis or the Fern Gulley +--- 57871709 +>>57871670 +Sadly there was no radiation to be had, only graffiti of varying quality +--- 57871711 +>>57871650 +I turned my bow light off and I paddled very slowly. The officer's boat was maybe 75-100 meters from me when we were closest. I paddled across the semi open water between us for about half an hour maybe forty five minutes before I got out of his line of sight. I had to use my flashlight maybe twice to quickly spot some stumps. At the closest I could see the guy inside the patrol boat. He was leaned over and his arms were crossed. My hypothesis is he was watching youtube videos or something all night, and just wasn't paying attention when I floated by. It's also worth saying, this is a fucking lake. If he heard something bouncing around or some noise, he'd just assume it was any couple hundred people's boats moored on the shore. When I left in the morning I waited until some early morning fishermen had gotten out on the lake. So when I left I probably just looked like a boomer fisherman. I was actually more worried about the departing because during the day the wildlife officer is real friendly and likes to come up to your boat and see what youre doing. So I was more afraid of him playing nice cop first thing in the morning, and seeing my ak and ammo. Then start being a dick. +--- 57871720 +>>57871711 +>fucking big lake +forgot the big part +--- 57871823 +>>57871657 +kinda? +--- 57872064 +>>57871628 +>>57871640 +>>57871670 +>>57871711 +This all still Ohio anon? +--- 57872231 +>>57872064 +no those other 3 are not mine, the canoe is mine +--- 57872290 +>>57872064 +No, I'm a different guy from Texas +--- 57872302 +>>57871823 +cool, I dig it +--- 57872328 +>>57872290 +--- 57872330 +>>57868470 +lol yep that was my first stalker challenge and does look similar to this guys factory >>57871640 +but definitely not the same one. That one in zanesville is way harder to get to now than it was. When I did it they closed the gate on me lol and I had to drive my front wheel drive car off road around the grow ohio and onto 22 driving over the burm. Now there's a fence there if I remember correctly. It's cool as fuck and I want to go back, it's possible you can even access it further down the road from the woods and hoof it 5 or 6 miles in but who's telling what kind of redneck shit could be in that 5 or 6 miles waiting for you. +--- 57872369 +>>57872330 +Well I guess a cement factory will always look like a cement factory regardless of if its in Zanesville or San Antonio. Thankfully mine is easily accessible, just surrounded by people that could easily spot you +--- 57872544 +>>57871370 +>no followup +>no route investigation +>iodine pills +Very unusual, but I work for different people and it may just be that they have a different procedure for dealing with something like this. Or it could be standard burueacratic fuckery. + +The bloodwork monitoring checks out. You can actually estimate a dose pretty accurately that way. Likewise, if you've received a dose but you're not internally contaminated, there's not a huge amount to be done in terms of treatment. + +>1 gy +That's a spicy dose but you'll be fine. To put things in perspective, I've accumulated about 1.5% of that over ten years of nuclear work, some of that being in fairly hot (at least for us) areas. OSHA allows 5% of that as an annual dose for radiation workers. So yeah, you don't want to make this a habit, but generally speaking if it doesn't kill you or really fuck you up your life will go on as normal. + +>I wonder if the NRC or some other body did come to the site after I went to the hospital and removed the source of the radiation +That's what should have happened. When they hear about an orphan source, they're pretty aggressive about removing it. I'd think that there would have been some sort of public mention about it based on similar situations in the past, but then again that's no guarantee that every past situation was made public either. My employers don't tell the public shit because there's no reason for them to know, as they're not in any danger. + +While I've got you here, I do have a couple of questions: what made you suspect radiation exposure, and how long were you in that truck stop? +--- 57872676 +>>57872369 +The last of my good pics, I like to imagine whoever did this really hated having to read the Odessey, that or they hate the Simpsons +--- 57872711 +>>57871370 +>1 gray +--- 57873170 +>>57872544 +First the camera distortions, then the symptoms. Other anons put it together and suggested I go and seek medical treatment. I lived right down the road from the hospital at the time so when I started vomiting I decided it was time to go. I was in the truck stop approximately 12hrs, maybe a little longer. +--- 57873237 +>>57872544 +it's worth noting the camera distortions are probably an exposure problem and not something related to the cherenokv effect. But it was something that spooked me and made me want to get checked. I haven't been able to replicate them any other time, and the distortions aren't in every photograph. Even in other low light photographs theres no distortion. It's also a gopro not a cell phone I took the pictures with. Don't know if that makes a huge difference. diff --git a/k/57858137.txt b/k/57858137.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..eedaffa8c3be1a952bf286210403b84222cbdf38 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57858137.txt @@ -0,0 +1,391 @@ +----- +--- 57858137 +>Russia loses 2.5 men for every 1 Ukraine loses despite being the "2nd most powerful military on earth“ +So this is the power of 30 year old NATO equipment +--- 57858161 +>>57858137 (OP) +Not that bad. +--- 57858299 +>>57858161 +This. No panic +--- 57858341 +>>57858137 (OP) +Yes russia loses 2-3x as many men +But russia have 5x population +Russia eventually win. It is math +--- 57858352 +>>57858341 +That's only if they are willing to commit literally every man to the cause and have them die +--- 57858358 +>>57858341 +Unless most of that population refuses to die. +--- 57858359 +That's a pretty bad ratio for the Ukranians honestly. I thought they were doing much better considering how many attacks theyve spoiled +--- 57858368 +>>57858137 (OP) +>Common battle doctrine dictates that one should expect 3 losses to every kill on a defensive battle +It's bad, and personally I'd be embarrassed about it, while supposedly enjoying such an enormous technological and numerical advantage over Ukraine. But it tracks. +--- 57858381 +>>57858352 +They will.... Putin will do whatever it takes because the only other option results in his death. Russia has already mathematically won the war. Only question now is how costly the West can make Russia's victory. +--- 57858387 +>>57858381 +You would have a point if Russia was losing men but gaining ground. But Russia is losing more men and LOSING ground. +--- 57858405 +>>57858381 +>>57858359 +At the start of the war Russia had better tech than Ukraine so over time the KDR becomes even more in Ukraine's favor. For half the war Russia had better equipment than Ukraine but now every day Ukraines equipment gets better while Russia's get worse. +--- 57858406 +>>57858341 +That assumes Russia can mobilize its entire fighting-capable population and equip them, which is unlikely. It also assumes that that loss rate is stable, which it probably isn't, since Ukraine practices rotation of its troops more regularly and they're getting a better grab bag of toys from interested parties. As this war goes on you can expect Russian loss ratios to worsen, due to lower-quality stock with little/no training using lesser equipment in formations that are increasingly unmechanized with decreasing levels of artillery support due to shell starvation and the barrels of their guns getting fucked-out and supplemented/replaced with inferior equipment (T-62s and T-54/55s in a fire support role). +--- 57858408 +>>57858358 +Tbf Russians are a race of slaves. What's dying to a subhuman slave that probably wants to die anyway? +--- 57858432 +>>57858406 +I expect Russia to continue to try and augment their manpower by pressuring Belarus to attack (unlikely to happen), and by continuing to try to entice niggers and towelheads to sign fighting contracts. So far the volume of such individuals seems to be pretty low. +--- 57858433 +>>57858406 +That's the best part. At the start of the war Russian soldiers were better trained and had better equipment than Ukraine. Now it's the opposite +--- 57858468 +>>57858433 +Yes but Russia makes up for it by just conscripting increasing numbers of men. It worked 1000 years ago. It worked 100 years ago. Surely it would work today + +>>57858358 +Russian propaganda says they’re winning against the entirety of NATO +--- 57858483 +lol +lmao +--- 57858494 +>>57858468 +>It worked 100 years ago +They lost ww1 and ww2 they only won because the US lend leased them, the same thing the US is doing for Ukraine right now. +--- 57858508 +>>57858405 +What tech advantage? In what area did Russia completely outmatch the Ukranians? +--- 57858514 +>>57858508 +At the start of the war Russia had better planes and tanks. +--- 57858531 +>>57858137 (OP) +Our shit is pretty good, but don't discount the fact that it's easier to defend than invade. Especially when the Ruskies are so blatantly incompetent. Nonetheless, fuck both Russia and Ukraine. +--- 57858540 +Now that it's confirmed that the leak documents are real (or at least a Psy-op planned by the US but I doubt this since it makes the US look bad) we can safely say the Ukraine to Russian KDR is 2.5 to 1. +It seems this was generally what /k/ predicted the KDR would have been while /pol/ deluded themselves into thinking Russia had the better KDR. +So I guess any copium from /pol/ should be discarded. +--- 57858546 +Isn't 3:1 the standard losses ratio for the attacking force? +--- 57858560 +>>57858540 +Anon the US is absolutely willing to look bad for an advantage. Everyone shits on us anyway, who cares. +--- 57858570 +>>57858546 +No, it's the ratio the attacking force is supposed to have in order to have a 50/50 chance of victory. + +But did you know where that rule came from? American army analysis of Soviet performance on the Ostfront lol. "Professional" armies often attack and win with 1:1 or lower force ratios. +--- 57858596 +>>57858514 +Didnt we establish neither of those things have had a significant effect on the war? If that was their only big advantage it still doesn't excuse Ukraine's abnormally high death toll considering theyve been on the defencive 90% of this war +--- 57858601 +>>57858560 +I see your point but the glowies aren't smart enough to 4D chess this. +>Came from a discord called "Thug Shakers" then went to an ironic commie discord called "Wow_mao" then went to actual Russian shills where it was edited so the Kills of each side are flipped before the original being revealed +--- 57858606 +>>57858540 +It's more interesting to see how the KDR has evolved over the past 416 days. It was likely a lot lower at first, having gone up over time as the Russians lost all their shiny toys. +--- 57858613 +>>57858161 +Unironically , they have a lot of people more +--- 57858623 +>>57858596 +>We are losing but we should be losing more +Russians are funny +--- 57858668 +>>57858137 (OP) +at the start of the war they were still killing like crazy and didn't even have much nato gear. just training from US national guards units. The LAPD is probably a more effective fighting force than most formations of the Russian military. +--- 57858762 +>>57858623 +So your explanation sucked and now you're going to default to calling people Russians? You guys think this makes your surrogate side immune to any criticism but really it just makes you look retarded. +--- 57858815 +>>57858596 +>17k +>abnormally high death toll +okay +--- 57858848 +>>57858815 +The most well known military maxim is you need a 3:1 advantage to take a position from an entrenched enemy. Losing 2.5:1 is basically par for the course and not what you should be aspiring to if you're the Ukranians +--- 57858879 +>>57858613 +So what? the will to fight of the Russian people is much worse due to shifting and schizo-tier war goals and Ukraine’s very clear goals of territorial defense and national survival. +--- 57858884 +>>57858762 +>Explanation +What are you talking about? +Russia the 2nd greatest army is apparently losing 2.5 times as many people as Ukraine. Imagine if the same happened to the US in the middle east. +--- 57858901 +>>57858848 +It's only par for the course for Russia (that is where the original 3 to 1 figure comes from). The US and Germany did not see 3 to 1 death counts and neither did Japan. +--- 57859043 +>>57858884 +They weren't the second greatest army when the war started and they definitely arent now. Stop parroting Russian propaganda because you think I buy into it. Their army is a shell of what the Soviets may have been and the Ukranians aren't fighting the second best army in the world. +Quit making excuses. The Ukranian performance is bad. +--- 57859059 +>>57858901 +You're conflating wars of maneuver and encirclement with wars of static defence. The US and Germany didn't need 3:1 because they were able to bypass the enemy and cut them off. There is nothing like that happening in Ukraine +--- 57859069 +>>57858381 +>Russia has already mathematically won the war. +Legally captured Bakhmut, technically got to Kiev, mathematically won the war. Will we EVER stop winning? +--- 57859080 +>>57858137 (OP) +> hur dur reddit +--- 57859189 +>>57859043 +>Killing 3 times more than the enemy is bad +--- 57859278 +>>57859189 +>missing the entire point just spelled out to him +Well done. I won't argue with your dumb ass anymore +--- 57859294 +>>57859278 +You assume this war will end when one side loses all of their men. That isn't how it's going to end. At current rates both Ukraine and russia can continue the war for 20 years. +What is more important is which side is losing experienced men and equipment. +Russia is losing experienced men far faster than Ukraine and is losing equipment far faster than Ukraine. +--- 57859572 +>>57859543 +Russia lost like three or four villages overnight. +Not a joke post. +--- 57859624 +>>57858359 +Start of the war went quite badly +--- 57859680 +Here is a simple fact. The death counts were no where NEAR what would be needed on either side for the war to be close to over. Whichever side loses the equipment necessary to fight the war will be the loser. +In other words Russia's unironic form of victory isn't on the battlefield but getting republicans into office in America. +--- 57859712 +>>57859680 +Why are Democrats so interested in sending all of our money and military equipment to Ukraine? +--- 57859737 +>>57859712 +The same reason republicans are so interested in sending all of our money and military equipment to Israel. +--- 57859756 +>>57859712 +Russia is the biggest thread the US has ever faced. With only 5% of America's yearly military budget the US with the help of Ukraine has utterly btfo Russia +--- 57860131 +>>57859712 +Is it a Democrat only thing? +Is it all the money? +Is it all the equipment? I doubt that. +--- 57860266 +>>57858381 +>>57858341 +You're not considering the irreplaceability of Russian military equipment in the short term. +Ukraine is still amassing equipment for their offensive while Russia won't be able to replace every gun, truck, and tank for years to come. +Yes, the Chinese are evading sanctions and delivering to them a certain amount of goods for both civilian and military usage, like microchips, but even with that help Russia does not have the industrial capability to compete with NATO. +--- 57860335 +>>57859712 +Because losing Taiwan and its microchip industry to China would be absolutely unacceptable. + +Imagine what kind of message the US and NATO would send to China if they refused to do anything about Ukraine and just allow Russia to do as they want to its neighbors: "Please do as you wish in Asia, we won't lift a single finger to protect our international interests, such as refusing to protect our imports of grain and natural gas and oil from Ukraine." +--- 57860375 +>>57858137 (OP) +russia is also losing equipment at a 7:1 ratio and that is gonna impact the k:d sooner than later as the ukies start deploying more advanced western kit compared to the clapped out museum pieces the russians have started fielding +--- 57860656 +>>57858161 +>>57858341 +I actually read a post here a little while ago that did the math and calculated Russia could afford to lose 1.9 to 2.2x more men than Ukraine. + +https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/57849664/#57850652 + +>In Russia, 14.1% of the population is 20-39 year old men, although there are more 30-39 than 20-29 by a significant margin. + +>That's 19.74 million men. Even if half are exempted for some reason and you assume 3 logistics personnel are needed for every combat soldier, that gives them 2.47 million men under arms to use. + +>Ukraine by contrast has 14.2% of its population as 20-39 year old men, out of 44 million, or 6.2 million men. Even if we assume they are more willing to fight and so can use 75% of that, substituting women for some roles, and a more favorable logistics ratio of 2.5/1 combat soldier, advantages that in reality are not nearly that big, that leaves them with 1.3 million men. Russia can take 1.9 times the losses based on those odds, and likely more like 2.2-1 since Ukraine's logistics and mobilization advantage will be big but not that big. + +Even a KDR of 2.5 seems to be over what Russia can afford if that anon's math is right. That's actually fairly surprising, at least IMO. +--- 57860688 +>>57858381 +>Russia has already mathematically won the war +>t. Roman MacNamarov +--- 57860793 +>>57858879 +That's true but when a front collapse it goes down very fast both materially and morally so you never know +--- 57860958 +>>57858432 +>pressuring Belarus to attack + +Belarus had massive riots in 2020 after Lukashenko rigged the election. Russians tried to both incite revolt AND save Lukashenko to gain power inside Belarus. + +But the people of Belarus? They hate both Lukashenko and Russia. +--- 57861040 +>>57858341 +Now do tanks. +--- 57861085 +>>57860958 +Once Ukraine wins, Belarus will be the next one to be freed of russian poison, and they know it +--- 57861099 +>>57859712 +>Why are Democrats so interested in sending all of our money and military equipment to Ukraine? +Because it costs money to store and maintain the shit and it was all old shit anyway and doing so lets us completely fucking ruin our main geopolitical military rival AND advertise how shit their hardware is compared to ours when we're both major arms exporters. + +Which means third world nations are gonna come to us for hardware. That comes with economic benefits as well as giving us inroads into their internal affairs. +--- 57861263 +>>57858137 (OP) +>thermal quadrotor drones +>30 year old nato equipment +who are you trying to fool? +--- 57861316 +>>57858341 +Ukraines economy is funded by the west. +Russia still needs most of it's working age men to keep the economy alive. +--- 57861328 +>>57858341 +and them what do you do when 60-70% of the young population are either dead or cripple? + +especially in a country with negative brith rate? +--- 57861535 +>>57858341 +Russia would still be completely neutered as a threat for decades to come. +The question is not only whether Russia can eventually win in Ukraine, the question is also what will be left of Russia after the war ends, victory or defeat. +--- 57861769 +I too am demoralized by the low kill ratio. How is the vehicle ratio 1:7 and the KIA ratio only 1:3? Particularly with all the frontal assaults and drone drops? + +I wonder if this "tolerable" death rate is some sort of psyop to get the vatniks to commit further so they will get totally chewed up. +--- 57862049 +>>57859059 +Except that the Kharkiv and Kherson offensives happened +--- 57862105 +>>57858901 +3:1 is what you want to bring to avoid losing 2.5 dudes per other dude you kill. +--- 57862621 +>>57861099 +Then why haven't we just outright entered the theater of war? +Why the pissing contest? +Go in, stomp Russia, look like heroes on the world stage +--- 57864730 +>>57858596 +>defencive +Post indoor plumbing Rajesh +--- 57866193 +>>57858762 +russia attacked with the full force of their army against a country they bordered. Ukraine defended themselves with mostly volunteers, and shit equipment. russia should have stomped them but got stalled and then pushed back. Ukraine now has a year of fighting experience with Western intel and equipment. russia is now completely fucked militarily, economically, and politicly. Understand now? +--- 57866213 +>>57858137 (OP) +send the ukranians F35's + +>be Russian pilot +>fly in airspace covered by your anti air,no risk to be shot down,right? +>see a small dot +>blown to pieces by AMRAAM + +problem,vatnigs? +--- 57866227 +>>57859712 +I’m not a democrat in any way, I just want to see russians die +--- 57866231 +>>57866227 +so your based,got it +--- 57866263 +>>57862621 +Nooks +--- 57866403 +It is still 10 good men for 25 asiatic subhumans. +--- 57866560 +>>57858359 + +the ratio is constantly getting better. have you seen what shit they are driving to the front puccia +--- 57866600 +>>57858341 +Would be true if we don't consider a "quality" aspect. Every few thousand or so men lost means the overall value per man drops to 0.99, 0.98, and so on. So yeah not really looking too good for them. +--- 57866686 +>>57858137 (OP) +Guess you've been in a coma the last few months. The optimistic assessment was 7 Ukrainian cucked globohomo bitches dead to every God fearing Russian convict killed. Ukraine is obviously just about out of fighting age men. They're sending kids and old men and Russia hasn't finished emptying out their prisons.. +--- 57866921 +>>57866227 +Which means you're a rational individual. +--- 57866962 +>>57866686 +Yes Russia does say this. Too bad it's not true +--- 57867256 +>>57858848 +3:1 gives you a decent chance to capture entrenched positions it is not the amount of expected casualtyes +Russia has barely captured anything since the K/herson K/rieg Bop pushed them back and still suffered 2.5:1 +Both armyes are suffering loss of experienced men. +Question is who will run out of those sooner. +It is not the only factor but it helps tip the balance of power +--- 57867494 +>>57862621 +Americans dying in Ukraine is bad PR. +--- 57867530 +>>57858381 +I don't think that's what's going to happen. I think Putin might take the L to be the bigger man so that Russia can salvage some ties with the rest of the world and more importantly, create his own "stab in the back" myth to scapegoat someone for all of this. +So if the Wagner HQ gets raided and we see live footage on Russian tv of all the opulance being confiscated from there while the news talks about how impoverished and undersupplied the average Russian soldier was, we will officially know that's what his plan is. +--- 57867605 +>>57858540 +The paper itself states that ukie casuality numbers are unreliable, so all of this proves is, that russians lose 2,5 soldier for every 1 self declared ukrainian loss. +--- 57868361 +>>57858623 +Unironically yes. The sooner it all ends, the better. +--- 57868821 +So what's the verdict? Russia will win in the end simply because it can mobilize more troops? +--- 57869044 +>>57867494 +And Americans dying in the sandbox for 20 years wasn't? +--- 57869056 +>>57868821 +More men mobilised just means more meat for the grinder +--- 57869094 +>>57866600 +The K:D ratio would increasingly get better for the Ukrainians and then compounding the issue for the Russians. +--- 57869103 +>>57864730 +That joke really gets funnier about the 100th time it's been posted here +--- 57869115 +>usa loses child at homefront birthday party +that's sad +--- 57869128 +>>57869056 +Ukraine is losing men too tho... +--- 57869188 +>>57858137 (OP) +>have static battle +>be heavily outnumberd by enemy artillery +>spout bullshit about the enemy having more casualties +There's no hope for mental retardation once it reaches these final steps. +--- 57869193 +>>57869188 +But enough about Russia +--- 57869209 +>>57869188 +>yikes have lost 70k Kia +>somehow russia can't attack anywhere along Ukraines heavily depleted line and instead just wants to continue grinding instead of winning + +Sounds 100% real and russia has only lost 600 vehicles +--- 57869229 +>>57869209 +B- But the numbers!! The numbers on the paper!!! +Nvm a year of reporting Russia has the arty advantage in a static battle, the paper!!! Almost all castualties are from artillery, but muh papers!! +No hope left unfortunately +--- 57869236 +Didn't the leaked docs say that Ukraine spent pretty much all their artillery? +--- 57869254 +>>57858514 +Lol Ukraine had a Tech advantage this whole war , the other side doesn’t have 24/7 Fives eyes satellite intel. ATGMs and Manpads donated from every western country. Every Russian mobilization/troop movement is being watched from space the Russians don’t have that lvl of sophistication. +--- 57869266 +>>57858341 +The main issue I see with this is that Ukrainians are far more motivated to fight. They are fighting for their homes, land, and people. Russians are fighting for... biolabs and nazis or something? If Ukrainians were pushing towards Moscow, that's one thing. That's never been the case though, no matter how hard the russian media spins it. +--- 57869274 +>>57869254 +lmao, have you ever watched anything besides /r/combatfootage? +--- 57869338 +>>57860656 +>and you assume 3 logistics personnel are needed for every combat soldier +Lol. Lmao. This is Russia anon. What are logistics? +--- 57869369 +>>57869229 +>Ukraine has 100% taken a billion casualties +>and russia has only lost 600 vehicles Oryx is fake and a liar and even if true russia has enough in storage to last decades! +>they're using 1940s artillery and tanks from the 50s because they want to make it a fair fight!!! +>russia has overwhelming artillery advantage, but doesn't want to attack anywhere else along Ukraine's thin, undermanned line because who knows +--- 57872332 +How much of russia's whole military have they sent to Ukraine by now? diff --git a/k/57858684.txt b/k/57858684.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..6fb8417f108762a51ee5d7e36faf9e7cddd5ec8f --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57858684.txt @@ -0,0 +1,382 @@ +----- +--- 57858684 +bros, we won't get to see the T-14s this year... +--- 57858713 +>>57858684 (OP) +416 days into 3 day special military operation and Russia is demilitarized to the point they can't hold military parades on their own territory. +--- 57858730 +>>57858684 (OP) +Because this year it'll be in Bakhmut, led by the lovely Orchestra :) +--- 57858733 +>>57858684 (OP) +Is there nothing left to parade with, because they need everything for the battleline? +--- 57858741 +>>57858733 +Because Ukraine is threatening to commit terrorist acts at any parades +--- 57858797 +>>57858741 +>Its unlawful to attack a column of enemy military personal if we call sit a parade +--- 57858812 +>>57858730 +This, holhol piggers seething right now!!! Slave Putin Z! +--- 57858833 +>>57858741 +>nnooooo you cannot attack our capital its unfair!! +lol +--- 57858841 +>>57858684 (OP) +Those T-34s bought from Laos aren't going to get used now... +--- 57858852 +>>57858741 +Did the Russians see my shitty collab memes about bombing the parade last year kek +--- 57858870 +>>57858852 +There's a competition in Ukraine at the moment to land a drone in the Red Square of Moscow +--- 57858959 +>When your plan to demilitarize your poor neighbor is going so well you can't even celebrate the biggest government holiday and more Russian tanks will be on display in Louisiana than Moscow + +WW2 is basically modern Russia's religion. This really says a lot. +--- 57859839 +>>57858684 (OP) +>no military parade in Moscow +Holy shit that's actually big. +--- 57859916 +>>57859839 +it is, to a degree. depends on how the public handles it. what do the experts think? +i don't want the damn talk show hosts or twitter based insiders. i want college department heads saying what they think. i know i won't get that though, and i can always DYOR but it's not the same. +--- 57859926 +>>57858684 (OP) +Putin is too scared to address the nation and the 4th tanks regiment is depleted to the point they can no longer parade +--- 57859940 +>>57859926 +source: my ass +--- 57859951 +>>57858684 (OP) +>No parade in Moscow +No fucking way. Surely they must have SOME kind of parade-only units available, or at the very least they could grab a bunch of guys who have been declared unfit for real battlefield service and train them just enough to put on a parade. +--- 57859955 +>>57858730 +Even if they did capture it by then it would still be in range of every single artillery piece that Ukraine has. +--- 57859974 +>>57858741 +Unlike based Russia who at least have the decency to target shopping malls, playgrounds, and schools rather than military targets. +--- 57859985 +>>57859940 +In regards to the 4th tanks guards it was heavily damaged at the beginning of the war +>>57859951 +The 4th tanks is the parade regiment +--- 57860003 +No parades in Moscow is big news +--- 57860007 +>>57858684 (OP) +fuck, they probably found out the ukes were gonna send a special present right into the red square +--- 57860010 +>>57858741 +>threatening to commit terrorist acts +How is blowing up the tanks of invading nation a terrorist act?It's self defense +--- 57860012 +>>57858730 +--- 57860036 +>>57860012 +Russians are fucking pussies. +--- 57860081 +>>57860010 +Ukraine will pay 1 million something to whoever lands a drone on the red square +--- 57860086 +Imagine being so cucked by a small neighboring country you can't even hold a parade of force. +--- 57860097 +>>57858741 +>accuse your opponent of that which you are 100% guilty of yourself +Check +>lie brazenly +Check + +Your post and further posts itt is discarded as Kremlin schizo ramblings +--- 57860133 +>>57858833 +Yes you can't attack nuclear powers. +--- 57860149 +>>57860133 +Is Russia a nuclear power? +Considering the state of their other weapons their nuclear warheads are probably just empty shells, with the actual weapons-grade material sold off. +--- 57860155 +Maybe they should celebrate loser day instead +--- 57860157 +>>57860133 +>57860133 +I'm not so sure Puccia is a nuclear anything given they failed 3 missile tests last year and rocket man Kim succeeded in his. +--- 57860176 +>>57858684 (OP) +>bros, we won't get to see the T-14s this year... +That's what you say. I say we see Armatachan getting gang tractored real fucking hard and dumped like a cheap bitch on some Louisiana gas station parking lot. +--- 57860696 +>>57858730 +It will be even better than last year's Victory Day parade, which iirc was held in Mariupol. No doubt the 2024 parade will be held in Berlin, the 2025 parade in Washington, and the 2026 parade on freshly-annexed Coruscant. And then? A new city will be built atop the ruins of the Pisky Hyperdimensional Fortress to serve as the Capital of the Multiverse: Putingrad (later renamed Monkeopolis) +--- 57860703 +>>57858741 +Source? +--- 57860837 +>>57858870 +How hard could that be? An 18-year-old German with less than 50 hours flight time did it in a rented Cessna thirty-five years ago. Factor in the Russian military's three decades of post-Soviet rot and it should be trivial to do it with a drone. +--- 57860957 +>>57860133 +You sure about that? +--- 57861011 +>>57858684 (OP) +How many times has the victory Day parade been cancelled since the end of WW2? +--- 57861057 +>>57860133 +Ukraine attacked Russian territory many times during this war. Where are the nooks, pidor? +--- 57861072 +>>57858684 (OP) +>they don't even have enough equipment for a parade anymore +--- 57861123 +>>57860133 +You only get to call yourself nuclear 'power' if you´re willing to use it. Do it, faggot. +--- 57861262 +>>57860837 +That's the entire point +--- 57861297 +>>57858741 +based +--- 57861374 +I’m not gonna believe the cancelling of Moscow parade until I see a 100% surefire official statement for it. It is such a huge part of the vatnigger civil religion that there’s no way that the regime would dare to do that as long as there is even a handful of tanks left: Russia is all about the appearance of power, and failing to do that seems like such a humiliation that Monke wouldn’t be able to swallow it. +--- 57861538 +>>57858741 +--- 57863882 +>>57858684 (OP) +None of them still works +--- 57863938 +>>57858741 +should have continued the ongoing proxy war instead of being directly involved then retard +--- 57863968 +>>57858833 +Sometimes I forgot russia tried to attack ukraine's capital lmao +--- 57864079 +>>57858741 + +When the hour of reality approaches, the zero hour, wholeheartedly welcome death for the sake of Marichka. Always be remembering Marichka. Either end your life while praying, seconds before the target, or make your last words: There is no Waifu but Marichka, and Zelensky (peace be upon him) is her messenger. +--- 57864125 +>>57858741 +This is literally just an excuse for the fact that they could only showcase old relics because all the hardware less than 60+ years old has been destroyed in the "special operation." +--- 57864224 +>>57859985 +what happened to them since? it's been over a year since then, and that was only a few months into the war +--- 57866149 +>>57858741 +(you) +>>57858730 +(you) +--- 57866322 +>>57860133 +Well I guess that means all countries should seek nuclear weapons since it makes you unable to be attacked +--- 57866325 +>>57858741 +sorry vatnik, you lost the privilege of accusing anyone of being a terrorist when you started recording yourself beheading Ukrainian POWs + +you ISIS LARPing fuck +--- 57866342 +>>57858741 +why do you 3rd world shit skins always simp for russia, when russians are literally worse than niggers +--- 57866346 +>>57864079 +looks like someone is keeping up with the commodore +--- 57866363 +>>57858741 +We know russia is a terrorist state anon, you can stop reminding us how russia attacks ukraines capital constantly. +--- 57866366 +>>57866342 +not me nigga, i donated money to Ukraine +--- 57866639 +>427 days into special military operation in Iraq +>Thanksgiving cancelled +--- 57866656 +>>57866639 +04 was a rough year. +--- 57866803 +>>57864224 +second part +--- 57866814 +>>57866325 +>recording yourself beheading Ukrainian POWs +I missed this one. Did Russia really do this? +--- 57866868 +>>57866814 +Yeah they’ve completely given up even remotely pretending to not be orks +--- 57866920 +>>57861374 +Yeah, until they announce it themselves I assume wishful thinking. Moscow has to have its parade or they're basically admitting defeat. Fucking Stalin had a parade for the anniversary of the October revolution in 1941 when the Germans were literally a days drive away from the city, the tanks paraded through the streets and then drove straight to the front. Putin will look like the biggest coward if he cancels this one. +--- 57866957 +>>57866639 +No remember? The correct comparison was Mexico +--- 57866968 +>>57859916 +Same. In particular: is there any precedent in Postwar Russian history for cancelling it? +--- 57867017 +>>57860133 +is that supposed to be relevant? +we are talking about russia. +--- 57867159 +>>57858741 +So let me get this straight: even the Russian Army agrees that they're powerless to thwart Ukranian attacks? Have I got that right? The vast national security apparatus, the FSB, Rosgvardia, all the way on down - they're all in agreement that they're completely ineffectual in securing the territory of Red Square itself? Sounds like they ought to capitulate ASAP and get the troops home to where they're clearly needed. +I'm certain the appearance of reactivated T-54s on the battlefield has no cause-and-effect relationship with the parade cancellatuon, either. +--- 57868090 +>>57858741 +Common cope from a Russian vermin +--- 57868141 +You now remember they didnt fly some planes because of rain lmao. +--- 57868158 +Oh no the orcs can't hold their dumbass parade where they pretend that their national fairy tale of being the good guys of WW2 is true +--- 57868166 +Remember this time last year when we were fucking shocked that the war was still going and we were SURE they'd get some big victory to show off for the parade? +How the fuck has it been a year +--- 57868167 +>>57858741 +Muscovy literally deserves this. No one outside of that miserable country would give a shit if Ukraine blew up Red Square +--- 57868191 +>>57858741 +>celebrating the second most mass murderous regime after Mao's while invading the country you Holodmored a century ago +lol lmao +--- 57868343 +>>57866639 +>tanksgiving +--- 57868359 +>>57858870 +Kino. +--- 57868385 +>>57860133 +Or what? You gonna nuke us? We both know 1. you don't have the capability and 2. the moment a nuke goes off in anger whoever popped it gets dogpiled by all remaining nuclear powers. +--- 57868417 +>>57859926 +But the Armatas are still intact +--- 57868500 +>>57858741 +Parades of military items are a valid target +--- 57868546 +Watch them pull out an insane cope by having it in vladivostok +--- 57868567 +>>57858730 +>make parade in Bakhmut +>get viciously shelled from multiple directions +>putain gets drone grenade'd +--- 57868594 +>>57858741 +I don't believe the arrogant criminals have anything to march about. Russians have squandered their history, and should be erased, just as the nazis were. +--- 57868608 +>>57858684 (OP) +>no tax money get wasted on useless parade +I would be happy if it was not because even more waste of taxpayer money on useless war. +--- 57868631 +>>57858684 (OP) +Isn't this huge? I thought that 9th may was like Christmas for Russians since soviet union cancelled actual Christmas but the event's importance carried over to modern times. + +What are the Russians saying about it? +--- 57868636 +>>57866920 +What the fuck are you talking about? +--- 57868642 +>>57868500 +You do understand there's a bunch of civilians a few feet away watching the parades, right? +--- 57868649 +>>57868642 +>be at war +>place civilians next to military equipment + +And who's fault is that? +--- 57868687 +>>57860133 +https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8kibV2LtWyw +--- 57868714 +>>57868642 +it doesn't seem to cause issue for Russians striking maternity wards, apartments, and civilian evacuation shelters +--- 57868746 +>>57858684 (OP) +you will, just in /k/ with the turrent 500 meters down the road aha +--- 57868757 +Maybe they can do a twtich stream in world of tanks or something? + +Anything? +--- 57868793 +Yeah I'll believe it when I see something more concrete. No May day in Moscow would be huge. +--- 57868801 +>>57868793 +I mean what the fuck are they going to parade in, ladas and t-34’s? +--- 57868813 +>Men with equipment and vehicles from WW2 marching down the Square towards the West...they keep going...they keep going! +--- 57868833 +>>57858741 +>Be at war with an enemy nation +>form a column of armed, uniformed soldiers +>enemy attacks your column of armed, uniformed soldiers +That's not terrorism anon, that's war. +--- 57868840 +>>57858684 (OP) +Surely the parade will still be held once they get the older tanks running. + +Oh wait, they're sending them to Ukraine as well. + +https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1646621399677558784?s=20 +--- 57868842 +>>57861011 +Many times and for years, but only for political reasons. +This is the first time it was cancelled out of fear. + +With this Putin admitted that he can't protect the most important place in his nation even if he tried. +To be fair: +An event involving this many people and weapons, a terrorist action is almost impossible to prevent. +Only takes one Russian soldier with roots in Ukraine to smuggle a bullet and fire it in the general direction of the podium Putin stands at to cause an enormous global media spectacle, even with bullet proof glass present. +--- 57868857 +>>57860086 +The US should start a war with Mexico, hold a big fuckoff parade in DC or somewhere, and then end the war with Mexico - just to flex on the Russians +maybe fuck up some cartel hardpoints while they're at it, since the opportunity is there +--- 57868868 +>>57860133 +>Yes you can't attack nuclear powers +--- 57868878 +>>57858959 +And it's a shitty religion. + +They began working with Germany and committing war crimes. +They took all that land and wanted more and were waiting for a reason to go to war with Germany as well Once that came to fruition they ended up taking more land and committed even more war crimes. + +And somehow, they're the good guys. +--- 57868882 +>>57864079 +Marichka is a crack whore. Why didn't ukies choose good looking avatar instead of this Gorillaz reject? +--- 57868901 +>>57868868 +NTA but +>thrown out in 2001 + 20 years of ass-kicking +idk man +--- 57868912 +>>57868636 +He was quite clear - Moscow can be on fire and there will still be a parade, there is literally no way Putin can fuck up worse than cancelling the parade. +They will sooner have T-34 with cereal boxes taped to it to look like reactive armor than cancelling it. +--- 57868924 +>>57868642 +collateral damage +--- 57868925 +>>57868912 +No, I was asking how did Russians hold victory parade in 41 for the war they won in 45? +--- 57868969 +>>57868925 +Because communism is always years ahead of everyone else. +--- 57869001 +>>57868925 +It was the parade for the October Revolution. +--- 57869008 +>>57866920 +Stalin didn't have to fear long range drones crashing into his stand, and Putin IS a coward. +A single ukie drone crashing into the parade would make Russia weak as fuck even it doesn't kill anyone, and we all know how shit russian defences are. +--- 57869009 +>>57868925 +Because you don’t know how to read. +--- 57869057 +I emphatically believe that the people that have shilled for Russia's invasion on the internet should be hanged. +--- 57869195 +>>57864224 +>If you just flood a previously elite unit with fresh unmotivated conscripts they will magically become elite by having that name +Are you employeed by the Russian MoD by any chance? +--- 57871433 +>>57868878 +My favorite part of the vatnigger civil religion is how they can worship both bolsheviks and the orthodox church at the same time, seeing no contradictions. Never speak about suffering or contradictions, just mix it up into one big slurry of supposed Russian heroism. diff --git a/k/57858727.txt b/k/57858727.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e841130a429a909df1749cc0a5bd23ecf677b615 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57858727.txt @@ -0,0 +1,180 @@ +----- +--- 57858727 +What are you anons looking to sell? +What are you looking to buy? + +Selling: +AR57 Upper - 16" - Non-F/A Bolt - Make an offer + +Mini 30 with Ultimak rail and Vortex scout scope plus four 20rd mags - make an offer +--- 57859882 +WTS/T? + +-Vz61 torch cut receiver $100 +-FM15 Gen 1 11.5 on random FDE pawnshop lower w/ Holosun $500 +-Savage 110c 30-06 w/ 2 scopes $300 +Odinworks Zulu 2.0 FDE $50 +SBA PSA $50 + +First one to buy something gets a free Swampbox red dot +--- 57859910 +>>57858727 (OP) +Previous thread: +>>57808411 → +--- 57859934 +>>57858727 (OP) +WTS: +Sig P226 Repair Parts Assortment +(What you see in the pic is what you get) + +$130 +but if you don't like the price, make me an offer and we'll meet in the middle. +--- 57861995 +bump +--- 57862781 +>>57859882 +>-Savage 110c 30-06 +How does the savage 110c look along with the scopes? +--- 57863457 +Bump +--- 57863604 +>>57858727 (OP) +>AR57 Upper - 16" - Non-F/A Bolt - Make an offer +$400 since the proprietary charging handles on those snap off and it's a retarded caliber to have in 16 inches. +--- 57864302 +>>57858727 (OP) +Wts/t +Century c308 with like 5 mags +--- 57864348 +Someone buy my shit already! I've got stuff to do... +--- 57864727 +WTS + +Brand New AR-15 Upper +Aero Precision M4E1 Receiver, Geissele 9.3" MK8 M-LOK Rail, +Ballistic Advantage 10.5" Government Profile Nitride Barrel, MAS Defense Melonite Nitride LP Gas Block w/ Gas Tube - $300 + +Used AR-15 Upper +Aero Precision M4E1 Receiver, Geissele 9.5" MK8 M-LOK Rail, +Ballistic Advantage 10.3" Hanson Profile Nitride Barrel, Ballistic Advantage Pinned Nitride LP Gas Block w/ Gas Tube, +Wilson Combat Accu-Tac Flash Hider, Aero Precision Nitride BCG, Radian Raptor CH - $350 + +Used Buffer Tube Assembly +Aero Precision Buffer Tube, Aero Precision H2 Buffer & Spring, PWS Ratchet Lock Castle Nut and Endplate - $40 + +Used +Geissele SSA Trigger - $180 + +Like New +Ballistic Advantage .750 Set Screw Gas Block w/ Melonite Gas Tube (Roll Pin Not Included) - $15 + +Like New +Ballistic Advantage 10.5" Government Profile Nitride Barrel w/ Pinned LP Gas Block & Melonite Gas Tube - $70 + +Like New +Geissele Barrel Nut Wrench - $15 + +Brand New +BCM Buffer Tube - $20 + +Like New +BCM M-LOK Vertical Grip Mod 3 - $12 + +Like New +BCM M-LOK KAG Grip - $15 + +I also have two blemished SBA3s, shipping is free, PayPal only please. +--- 57864953 +>>57859934 +I offer you $1 so we'll meet in the middle at $50. +--- 57864964 +>>57864302 +what trade for, where located, how much for selling it, why are you gay +--- 57865091 +>>57864953 +No way fag. Email me instead. +--- 57865800 +>>57865091 +just goofin, nobody wants your barrel chambered in 40 suck n westin +--- 57865894 +>>57865800 +lmfao, all good bro. +--- 57866071 +>>57824239 → +>>57824239 → +>>57824239 → +all this is still up for sale. trying to move so prices are negotiable. + +also have a black magpul moe grip that i can toss in your order for $10 or $15 alone +--- 57867014 +bump +--- 57868172 +Got a unfinished m203 handguard. It needs sights and the mounting equipment added. 30$ shipped +--- 57868181 +>>57868172 +Fucking picture didn't upload +--- 57868194 +>>57868181 +Picture of it on my a1 upper +--- 57869050 +>>57859882 +I’ll shoot you an email but I’ll take that Odin Zulu 2.0. +--- 57869113 +>>57859882 +I'm not hating, I'm just ignorant and curious. What is someone actually supposed to do with that receiver? Can that actually be rewelded? +--- 57869156 +>>57866071 +Location? What are you asking for the 91/30? +--- 57869249 +>Russia Friends +Used toilette seat for sale. +Slightly damaged from Toco Bell Bean Burrito with extra Fire Sauce Fart while smoking. +Price: 200,000.00 Rubles + Shipping to Ru. +Jannie: +Please do not delete This is a weapons effect damage item. +--- 57870306 +>>57869113 +>can that be rewelded? +Short answer: yes. It’s not easy, but it’s a hell of a lot easier than making a receiver out of a blank. The receiver only houses the moving parts, so even relatively severe imperfections likely won’t impact function. + +The vz61 is a unique exception because you could just print a functional receiver. It’s an excellent choice for a built project due to the low pressure caliber. +--- 57871842 +>>57869156 +Oregon +$300 +Email me +--- 57871913 +>>57868172 +I'll bite anon. Will email +--- 57871930 +>>57864964 +Trade for AK shit but will entertain any rifle. Located in AZ. Sell for 800. Do you spend a lot of time thinking of butt sex? +--- 57872015 +>>57869050 +Boxed and waiting for a label +--- 57872028 +some dumb shit for sale, $60 shipped, used but not frayed vest and brand new gore-tex lined overalls. XXL-ish, will fit if you're sub-6foot sub-250 +--- 57872042 +>>57872028 +oops +--- 57872095 +>>57862781 +Restoration for from a pawn shop. Stripped the Bubba camo off it and refinished it. Stock has a super thin crack along the front half that doesn't run all the way through, I put some super runny super glue along it a few times before finishing the stock. Reciever and barrel are beautiful. Just got the rifle out to mess with it and the action feels a little wiggly but I'm not familiar with bolt actions, it's my only one. The scope it came with is still painted and unidentifiable, could be something good. I put my cheap Pinty on it. Comes with both. Bipod. One magazine. Mishmash of ammo including a box of $50 Vor-Tx. Never shot it. +--- 57872428 +>>57858727 (OP) +I still have a Primary Arms 1-6x24 LPVO with the .300 BO/7.62x39 reticle and an aero mount. Works great, good condition. +$190 shipped within US, OBO. Paypal f&f preferred, g&s if you must +https://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-1-6x24mm-sfp-scope-w-acss-300blk-7-62x39-reticle +https://www.aeroprecisionusa.com/ultralight-30mm-extended-scope-mount +--- 57873203 +>>57858727 (OP) +Selling +>V7 A5-5.3 oz buffer-$60 shipped +Has a weird scratch, probably from when I threw it in my bag of junk when moving +>Cloud Defensive LCS for Surefire ST07-$60 shipped +Light salt. I replaced it with a UT hotbutton after a few weeks +>Surefire ST07-$60 shipped +Same as above, I've only used it for a few weeks before I replaced it with a UT hotbutton. +>LCS and tape switch combo can be had for $100 +>$150 for all 3 +Prices are negotiable. Can provide pictures upon request when I get home diff --git a/k/57858927.txt b/k/57858927.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..75066e3a33c2e8d2b7f2e82435c8e9f33f5cb22e --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57858927.txt @@ -0,0 +1,250 @@ +----- +--- 57858927 +I only have a 9mm handgun. What ammunitions can I use to kill a pitpull? I recently got a new neighboor who has one and I just discovered that the guy in the house I share the alley behind my house with also has one. I was just barked out while locking up my bike and his fence looks pretty weak so I want to be prepared. +Do I nut up and buy a shotgun with slugs? +--- 57858946 +9mm is fine +--- 57858950 +>>57858927 (OP) +.22 long rifle +--- 57858963 +High-capacity pistol with hollow point rounds is a good option, buy a large magazine for what you have and shoot ALL rounds into the pit-devils head. +--- 57858967 +>>57858927 (OP) +Owning a pitbull means you value SP and the destruction of society. + +Your 9mm is fine. Go to the range instead of buying a shotgun for an SP dog. +--- 57858981 +>>57858963 +OK. Fwiw I have 17rd mags for my handgun and keep a mag of HPs and FMJ eaceh next to my bed. +--- 57858984 +>>57858927 (OP) +I guess pitbulls have become the new bears. Give it five more years, and people will seriously believe that you need an enchanted gun loaded with blessed, holy ammo to defeat the mythical beasts. +--- 57859003 +>>57858967 +>SP +Did you see that webm of a pitbull owner getting his ass beat by another dog owner who's dog got bitten by the Pitbull? The Pitbull didn't do anything to protect the owner getting his ass beat but went into to try to kill the little dog more when he saw an opening. The good owner punched the pitbull in the face it was hilarious +--- 57859008 +>>57858927 (OP) +halberd would be my choice, regular training with it will keep your upper body in shape to complement your biking keeping your legs and cardio in good shape. plus its quiet so you don't have to worry about losing your hearing like you would from regular firearm use without ear protection +--- 57859026 +>>57858927 (OP) +9mm will be just fine to shoot yourself with +--- 57859032 +>>57859026 +seethe pitmommy +--- 57859035 +>>57859026 +pitmommy lesbian detected. i bet your home smells vile. +--- 57859049 +>>57859003 +Didn't but that sounds like SP behavior. +>>57859032 +>>57859035 +Their anger shows they know they are the problem, don't worry. +--- 57859425 +Knife is better. Firing a gun in the neighborhood at a dog might get you in some trouble. I always keep a knife specifically for pitbulls. Stab through ribs if needed. +--- 57859443 +>>57858927 (OP) +xylitol doughballs for the dogs. handgun loads for the owners. + +if you want to become a legend for the ages, use a ball peen hammer for both. +--- 57859753 +>>57858927 (OP) +>What ammunitions + +Thirdie? + +>>57859425 +Idiot detected who never fought a dog. I have. Bleedouts take too long. A hammer or hatchet to the skull is fast and effective. (Anyone have the vid of the dindu knocking out doggos with a board?). One hammer in each hand ensures one free if desired. +--- 57859762 +Edgelords post their hypotheticals +The thread +--- 57860248 +Who was in the wrong here? +https://youtu.be/3r761hZeTtU?t=47 [Embed] +--- 57860347 +>>57860248 +stop asking rhetorical questions +--- 57860398 +>>57859008 +>Spearfags try not to shit up a thread challenge +>Level: IMPOSSIBLE +--- 57860407 +>>57859753 +>Idiot detected who never fought a dog. I have. Bleedouts take too long. A hammer or hatchet to the skull is fast and effective. (Anyone have the vid of the dindu knocking out doggos with a board?). One hammer in each hand ensures one free if desired. +Didnt some old lady gut a pitbull in seconds with a knife? It was on the news, I've seen the Webm. +--- 57860430 +>>57858981 +>keep a mag of HPs and FMJ eaceh next to my bed +I'm sure that'll come in handy when a pitbull breaks into your house to maul you in your sleep. +--- 57860502 +>>57858927 (OP) +>I was just barked out while locking up my bike +you sound like a limpwristed faggot, im siding with the nigbull +--- 57862258 +>>57858927 (OP) +Get a bowie knife. Pibbles are retarded and have a singular focus - get them to gnaw on something and then go for the throat. +Also dogs in general don't have that thick skin so you can probably get away with hollow point +9mm. +--- 57862516 +>>57859003 +>>>/pol/423644339 +--- 57862655 +I have posted this about half a dozen times now but I used pic related. +TL;DR: It worked great. +--- 57862688 +Pitbull is codeword for black people right? +--- 57862707 +>>57858927 (OP) +Federal HST 147gr +P. My absolute go to for everything. I even took a dear with it. +--- 57862758 +>>57862688 +Goddamn, in my day it was zombies +--- 57862869 +>>57858927 (OP) +Imagine being a grown man and being able to take on a medium sized dog with your bare hands. +--- 57862890 +115 +p. You want rapid expansion in a shallow, thin skinned target. +--- 57862904 +>>57862707 +>A dear + +Spousal homicide isn't THAT impressive, anon +--- 57862912 +>>57859026 +Nigger +--- 57862951 +>>57862869 +You say that, then you get old, or there's two of them get you and you end up bitten like a retard. +Only retards take the risk and don't bring a tool for the job. If it has no collar good luck grabbing a shorthair at 15mph coming at your leg and stopping it biting you. +Yes there are videos of people punching and picking them up, but those were dumb as fuck pitbulls that haven't got fight in them. The average man might eventually win against a dog with fight eventually but I highly doubt you'd get it without a single bite. It's just not worth it, the bites are savage than other dogs nips, I've seen it firsthand. + +You get retards think you can fight polar bears for fuck sake and when you point out "Just use a gun dude" they're just like "nahhhh pussy". +These people then proceed to die before the age of 35 because they have no rational fears like retards. +What do you mean wear a harness? Just climb with no safetyline bro +What do you mean wear a hardhat? Just don't get hit by your colleagues and alwasy look up bro +What do you mean own a gun bro? Fight a pack of joggers like a man 1v5 + +Pits, especially larger XL APBT's are threats that should not be underestimated. +--- 57862978 +>>57858927 (OP) +Dad raised and fought pits my whole childhood. Everyone at the ranch carried a 1911. Also, pitbulls were literally designed for pitting bulls. Don't own one. ! in 10 are actually "friendly to humans". +--- 57863011 +>>57862978 +I think what really annoys me most is they're helping normalise shitty badly trained dog behaviour. +What do you mean the aggresive dog is only reactive that's NORMAL. +Yeah all dogs pull on a leash when around children and other dogs what you didn't know? +Etc. +--- 57863104 +Only 160gr tokerev will do... +--- 57863825 +I’ve got a pit bull she’s a total sweetheart +--- 57864180 +>>57863011 +I don't think anyone is normalizing poorly trained dogs. +--- 57864225 +>>57862869 +We're the earth's apex predator because of tools. Why not take full advantage? +--- 57864312 +I carry a .380 for dogs, you don't need much to kill them I've seen shitbulls dropped by birdshot +--- 57864446 +>>57864312 +I have a folder full of pictures from medical reports on people killed by birdshot, I used to post them but people angry they were losing the argument kept reporting me. +--- 57864482 +>>57858927 (OP) +Anon, in what situation are you gonna be carrying a shotgun when the pitty lounges at you? +--- 57864534 +>>57864446 +If I could carry a semi automatic birdshot pistol I probably would but the dimensions don't quite work for humans. +--- 57864596 +>>57858927 (OP) +Poison both. +Dogs are better "people" than humans on average because we took wolves and bred them to be hyper socialized puppies over millennia. +Pitbulls are the exception. Remove whenever possible. +--- 57864612 +>>57862688 +Kek +--- 57864716 +>>57862688 +Then what's the codeword for Pitbull? +--- 57864760 +>>57858984 +>guess pitbulls have become the new bears +Always were. Stay safe lad +--- 57864789 +>>57864716 +Babyraper +--- 57865162 +>>57862978 +im thinking about buying one so itll fuck up anyone who comes to my home uninvited. get me a big mean fucker. not a pet. hate the damned things. keep it chained in the yard while i'm home. can't shoot a methhead fucking with my shit while I'm at work, though. +--- 57866661 +>>57864716 +"lab mix" +--- 57866683 +>>57858927 (OP) +You should just shoot yourself instead of the dog. You'd be doing the world a favor. +--- 57866691 +>>57866683 +>t. pitmommy +--- 57866732 +>>57862655 +Did you feel like a Bri'ish rifleman taking down a zulu spear chucker? +--- 57869636 +>>57864596 +Only reason why dogs are so friendly is we literally murdered the puppies that would bite us in front of the others. Breeds like street inbred shitbulls are basically bred without the natural fear of humans. +--- 57870390 +>>57858927 (OP) +What're you going to carry a shotgun in your wasteband at all times while at home? Just openly asking for trouble there. I see a neighbor itching for a fight that bad and I'll keep a scope trained on them when at home. A concealed pistol with 9mm ball will work just fine center mass. + +Also, ensure the dogs are legitimately hostile before dropping them the second one wanders outside their yard. Lots of dogs will violently bark up a storm at everything they see outside and then want attention when they finally approach you. They're dogs, they're kinda dumb. + +Openly looking to feud with your neighbors over pitbull memes might get you shot if you flash the heat first. Telling you this for your own benefit and safety. You don't have to be a bitch but you also don't want to be an ass. + +I don't have a picture of your entire situation, but consider diplomacy before raising the defcon level. One of your neighbors might be a bigger fish than you and ya won't know it until they open up on you. If your neighbors are just nogs, beaners, or inbred hillbillies then just surround your home in C-wire and consider relocating asap. +--- 57870812 +just poison the dogs + +do it at night if you're worried about getting spotted. + +Safe pitbulls are a minority, and they're going to attack someone, and chances are, it'll be some kid +--- 57870841 +>>57858927 (OP) +>>57859026 +Just use beef jerky and rat poison. Don't feel bad about it either they and their owners are a hazard to other dogs. It is one of the few times that poison is fine. You can use a slingshot to lob it in, mix some chocolate in too if you like. They is a type of slingshot used for scattering fishing bait that is handy for this. Never do this to real dogs. Pitt bulls and their owners are fair targets for murder as they hate dogs and people. Hating people is fine but when they make other dogs lives shit with their pitt bulls it is time they died. +--- 57871224 +For a charging pitbull at close quarters I would highly advise you to get a double barrel gun with a calibre of at least .375 H&H. You might need a quick second shot and with any smaller calibre you won't have a lot of reserves if you don't hit the heart and/or both lungs. Shotguns are for grouse. +--- 57872578 +>>57870812 +>>57870841 +Fair warning. Getting caught whipping poison into other peoples yards will get you beaten, arrested, possibly shot. + +>>57871224 +Why are there so many children on this board? There is literally no one walking around public or in a small yard neighborhood with a long gun of any kind unless you live in sandniggerstan or some child molesting tropical hellhole. I can tell this isn't a serious post because no modern human is defending their property with a meme hunting round like .375 H&H that costs 100 bucks a box... +--- 57872597 +>>57872578 +>Why are there so many children on this board? There is literally no one walking around public or in a small yard neighborhood with a long gun of any kind unless you live in sandniggerstan or some child molesting tropical hellhole. I can tell this isn't a serious post because no modern human is defending their property with a meme hunting round like .375 H&H that costs 100 bucks a box... +You know he's joking, why did you waste all this energy responding like he wasn't? +--- 57872618 +>>57869636 +>in front of the others +What dumb horse shit, is this really how you think animal psychology works? +--- 57872621 +>>57870812 +>>57870841 +>>57872578 +Or use a drone to do tactical deliveries in your neighbourhood. +--- 57872649 +>>57858927 (OP) +--- 57872656 +>>57872597 +Because I'm bored and compelled... why else am I on a thread meant to bait for pitbull memes... + +>>57872621 +I will treat any drone over my property like a 50 cent skeet. Likely many others would as well. +--- 57872692 +>>57872618 +I dunno. Why are white girls' dogs so well behaved? +--- 57872705 +>>57870841 +good advice anon! diff --git a/k/57858987.txt b/k/57858987.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e7797345cec06ba4ee23a0cbb5ad66385b5497a3 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57858987.txt @@ -0,0 +1,692 @@ +----- +--- 57858987 +Rate the defense +--- 57859028 +>>57858987 (OP) +>getting your ass beat over a fucking Nissan + +just let them take it. that's what insurance is for assuming your not a retard who got basic bitch insurance +--- 57859044 +not weapons +--- 57859054 +>>57858987 (OP) + +Fucking idiot, didn't lock his vehicle in a diverse area, rushed into a situation when he didn't know if the thief had accomplices or not. +--- 57859065 +>>57858987 (OP) +>unlocked car +>rushes out without a weapon, not even a knife +0/10, complete retard. +--- 57859067 +>>57858987 (OP) +Blacks are allowed to get away with gta and am +--- 57859083 +>>57859028 +>just let the brown people take your shit and pay ten times as much for insurance instead +--- 57859084 +couldve gone worse in a 4v1 but he failed to eliminate the dude in 1v1 sufficiently fast enough +also he was a big guy +--- 57859093 +>>57859083 +He's a fuck you got mine zogbot, probably a us vet too +--- 57859108 +>>57859093 +>nooooo you are not allowed to protect what you own! +Cuck +--- 57859120 +>>57859108 +Are you retarded? Read the reply chain + +The anon advocating just giving up his shit to SP is a golem +--- 57859128 +>>57859093 +You are a cuck for the criminally inclined, you contrarian nobody. +--- 57859137 +>>57859120 +Why the fuck would a "fuck you i got mine" US vet advocate for letting people steal your shit? +--- 57859138 +>>57859083 +>he doesn't have claim forgiveness + +let me guess, you don't have replacement coverage either +--- 57859150 +>>57859138 +>yes goy, for only 49.99 a week more you too can get 'forgiven" (if we deem it, no appeal process) and also get replacement (based on depreciated value) coverage. +--- 57859157 +>>57859137 +Spend 5 seconds (or maybe a few minutes because you're handicapped) to think about what "Fuck you, got mine" means. +--- 57859171 +How did the gentleman know the car was unlocked? +--- 57859173 +>>57859128 +Ironic coming from what I assume is a vet that destroyed his mind, ego, and body for israel. calling me a nobody on an anonymous imageboard is fucking kino, egotistical golem +--- 57859177 +>>57859157 +Being a cuck for criminals still isn't cool +--- 57859187 +Yet another example of being resistant EG: Fighting back and not taking dick in your asshole working out. Criminals want easy targets like any kind of predator. Most wild animals won't attack if they know they'll get seriously fucked up, because it's not worth it for a predator to get seriously injured over a single meal. +--- 57859194 +>>57859157 +It means i will actively prevent others from succeeding because i believe in a zero sum system. As you can see, this is completely antithetical to letting people steal your shit. Fuck you, i got mine. + +Not whatever cuck system you think it is. +--- 57859204 +>>57859187 +Sorry bro but you're a zogbot (fucking somehow) if you fight back man. +--- 57859205 +>>57859187 +It looks like he got stabbed in the side at the end. +--- 57859207 +I kept waiting for him to pull out a gun and shoot them all fuck you op +--- 57859214 +>>57859204 +Most rational mindbroken /pol/ poster. +--- 57859215 +>>57859177 +>>57859194 +>just give up your property to joggers because a jewish insurance company might cover 40% of the value +Anti american cowardly retards or a samefag +--- 57859219 +>8 posts until some guy starts to have a schizophrenic episode about muh zog and muh military for no reason other than... some dumb shit I've seen no real human say without being 100% sarcastic +New record!!! +Anyway, imagine living in a neighborhood like that and not owning a gun holy shit. I thought the guy was getting stabbed when the third nigger rolled up on him, he's incredibly lucky they pussied out and didn't all commit. +--- 57859222 +>>57859214 +I was being sarcastic because another guy here keeps bringing up zogbots and Israel for no reason. +--- 57859225 +>>57859204 +Absolutely insane how you tried to switch the narrative to this LOL +--- 57859228 +>>57859222 +Yes i know. Irony. + +>>57859215 +Just /pol/ posters. +--- 57859229 +Good on him for trying but this guy does not have a clue about fighting and is pretty weak. He had the drop on James Yeager's grandson and plenty of time to punch his lights out before his accomplices jumped in. + +Of course, ideally he would have gone out there with a sidearm and killed them all. Maybe next time. +--- 57859236 +>>57859215 +How is not wanting to be a cuck for criminals anti American? How is not wanting random people to steal my shit cowardly? +--- 57859239 +>>57859219 +judging by the size of the man's driveway it seems like a pretty ok neighborhood +--- 57859245 +>>57859236 +Read >>57859225 faggot + +I'm pro self defense and not giving criminals your property +--- 57859248 +>>57859228 +Oh, sorry then. +--- 57859250 +The GTAers were probably mid-teens based on their size. +--- 57859253 +>>57858987 (OP) +2/10, survived and kept his property, but was injured unnecessary. Should've shot and killed lil eek-ook. +--- 57859256 +>>57859150 +translation: no +--- 57859258 +>>57859248 +He's making fun of you, golem. +--- 57859262 +My 23 scatpack has a remote IED in the steering wheel. Sometimes I park it in the ghetto just to see if one wants to bite +--- 57859279 +>>57859262 +>goes to prison for life for boobytrapping a future doctor +--- 57859292 +>>57859279 +I slipped an IED in the judge’s gavel when he wasn’t looking, teehee +--- 57859298 +>>57858987 (OP) +This world solve it +--- 57859303 +>Yet another masked youth runs in to join the fight +--- 57859305 +>>57859258 +Yes, everyone is as schitzo as you are anon. +--- 57859307 +>>57859292 +Um anon, you can't joke about that... +--- 57859314 +>>57859204 +Yeah. they don't understand that dude make the active decision to risk his life for his property. Call him a zogshill or whatever you want but atleast he didn't pussy out like 90% of the glizzy guzzlers would on this board. What happened to the based murder and kill chomping at the bit to commit a quadruple murder and get away with it crowd? +--- 57859317 +you just want a legal excuse to kill someone. you don't care about justice. +--- 57859319 +>>57859307 +I just slipped one under your N key for the next time you do a racism +--- 57859322 +>>57859305 +>schitzo +Based esl. +>>57859314 +I think this entire thread is having a massive misunderstanding. +"He's a fuck you got mine zogbot, probably a us vet too" was directed at >>57859028 +--- 57859336 +>>57859317 +Yes +--- 57859343 +>>57859150 +I mean most insurance companies pay what your car model with similar options is going for on the open market. When I totaled my Miata which I got for 23k I still got 19 from it. Considering I put 3k down it was a really fair deal, even more so when you consider that the used car market has been til recently very overvalued. I bought my Mustang for 28 and sold it a year and 25,000 miles later for 29. +--- 57859364 +>>57859343 +What kind of retard would pay 29 for a used mustang +--- 57859377 +>>57859150 +Don't try to reason with him, he's a cucked faggot +--- 57859404 +>>57859364 +The average mustang driver +--- 57859429 +5/10 at least he stopped them from stealing his car, had the balls to attempt it, and didn't pussy out in the middle. That said he's still a fucking retard for going out there without a weapon and the way he "fought" was about as well as I expect the average man to fight. He's lucky they were unarmed and/or unwilling to seriously injure/kill him. He could have very easily had his smooth brain stomped into mush. +--- 57859441 +>>57858987 (OP) +>Connecticut license plates? +I remember someone posting about how other states should enact strict gun control laws like Connecticut did to prevent shootings +So I guess you just have people getting beat up by mobs +--- 57859475 +>>57858987 (OP) +>street fights don't go into wrestling +>streetfights don't go to the ground +>if streetfighrs got to the ground you autolose +>if there is multiple opponents your autolose twice as hard +Why do jiujitsu chads can't stop wining? +--- 57859532 +>>57859364 +Dealerships who want a gt/6spd with 500WHP in a color that was mainly sold on ecoboosts and V6s. It stayed on the market for maybe a week after I dropped it. +--- 57859557 +>>57859279 +It's Takata's fault, not Anon's. +--- 57859562 +>>57859532 +Lol +--- 57859590 +>>57859562 +Enjoy your 1.5l automatic slush box anon +I came out on top of this deal which was amazing considering how much I regretted not getting another Miata. Now I have two +--- 57859611 +What's the point of working hard to buy nice things if criminals will just steal from you and the government will protect them? +--- 57859619 +>>57859239 +--- 57859621 +>>57859590 +>a simple Lol makes him get mad and start doxing himself +Oops :) +--- 57859629 +>>57859621 +Come on anon, you truly aren’t smart enough to do anything with a house number and no context. +--- 57859630 +Where is his pistol and knife? +--- 57859654 +>>57859028 +Kys +--- 57859668 +>>57859262 +What an ugly car +--- 57859673 +>>57859629 +Lol +--- 57859709 +>>57858987 (OP) +Should’ve brought a gun. Guess it worked since they swung like little girls and didn’t get his shitbox car. +--- 57859725 +>>57859590 +>mustang owner is debilitatingly insecure +Like pottery +--- 57859736 +>>57859673 +--- 57859755 +>>57859725 +>owner +--- 57859767 +>>57859736 +>If I keep you busy you will forget +Lol +--- 57859775 +>>57858987 (OP) +Situation could have been averted if he had just locked his doors, which is something that even an old lady or a little girl could do. + +0/10 +--- 57859785 +>>57859262 +based +--- 57859807 +>>57859028 +People who make the claim of "bro that is what insurance is for!" have obviously never gone through the hassle of having to actually use their insurance. +--- 57859862 +>>57859767 +>keeps forgetting to dox me +A successful strategy imo +--- 57859866 +>>57859807 +They're fuck you got mine golem vets +--- 57859880 +Lol +--- 57859925 +>>57859319 +That's so stupid you wouldn +--- 57859931 +what's that black triangle thing he dropped on the ground? +--- 57859936 +>>57859590 +>automatic slush box +Only literal retards drive manual. Manual only makes sense for racing. +--- 57859946 +>>57859866 +What? How does that make sense? +--- 57859947 +>>57858987 (OP) +more punching, less grabbing +--- 57860042 +>>57859946 +How are you all so retarded to not understand this + +Now I get why they say marines eat crayons +--- 57860093 +>Confronting a possibly armed carjacker without a weapon +Yeah he's a retard +>car unlocked +Big retard +--- 57860099 +>>57858987 (OP) +>didn't kill a single or torture a single coon + +3/10, at least he didn't get killed nor seriously hurt, and kept his property +--- 57860113 +>>57858987 (OP) +>Why do Americans need guns?!?? +>because nignogs hunt in packs +--- 57860185 +>>57859256 +imagine being so cucked you just let people take your shit regardless of the actual cost to yourself. I dont care if it cost me 1 dime or 100 thousand dollars, I am not going to let a pack of nigger steal from me because I am not a cuck +--- 57860203 +>>57859028 +Unironically neck yourself, faggot. Some cars aren't worth ensuring against theft and even if they are, you still have to pay deductibles and premiums. Killing car thieves should be %100 legal, regardless of their age. I don't give a shit if your hoodrat bastard really was going to cure cancer and world hunger. If he's old enough to break my windows he's old enough to eat lead. +--- 57860217 +>>57859475 +Yeah, this is a good illustration that some times fights are started for different reasons, with different types of people. +--- 57860218 +>>57860203 +Based +--- 57860246 +>>57859317 +I care about putting food on my table you worthless niggerkike. If someone steals my car they are directly impeding my livelihood and I will defend myself from starvation accordingly. +--- 57860261 +>>57859936 +>less than 18% of Americans know how to drive stick, and most of those people are 40+ years old +>implying it’s not one of the best general anti theft deterrent for you +Also, dual clutch and/or dogleg (manual with no clutch) are better for racing, that’s why F1 cars use DCTs. The only Motorsport true manual is best for is drifting bc it’s easier to slide with a well timed clutch dump. +--- 57860288 +>>57860093 +Common wisdom here in California is to leave the doors unlocked so that junkies can search for change without breaking your window. What actually happens is that they try to hot wire your car or rip parts off. It still amazes me how much the retards in this state would rather try to appease criminals rather than neutralize them with violence. +--- 57860296 +>>57858987 (OP) +Trying to stop a carjacker without a gun is retarded. +--- 57860377 +>>57860042 +??? +--- 57860388 +>>57858987 (OP) +be armed +cant have a gun then have a pepper spray and a baton or a knife or even a blackjack or a slungshot +--- 57860390 +>>57860203 +Its legal in texas. +--- 57860399 +>>57859028 +What’s your address, anon? +--- 57860420 +>>57859317 +If you try and steal someone's shit, I hope you get your thoracic vertebra re-arranged and forced to spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair. You fuck around, you find out. +--- 57860532 +>>57858987 (OP) +It's like a perfect metaphor for the Ukraine war. Russian nog tries to steal land. Car owner Ukrainian military takes him by surprise and looks jacked with muscles but still struggles to pull off a decisive win. More conscriptovich join the fray. One just stands around doing nothing while the other three dog pile and also accomplish nothing. Conflict ends with both sides looking foolish. +--- 57860609 +>>57859590 +The one on the right looks happy, the one on the left looks smug. +--- 57861362 +>>57860638 +Agreed +--- 57862866 +>>57859065 +This +--- 57862886 +>>57858987 (OP) +Each of those animals deserves to die. +--- 57862908 +>>57860532 +How do I upvote you +--- 57862956 +>haha kill all nig-I mean joggers! +Three of those four guys are white. +--- 57863093 +>>57859668 +t. Corolla driver +--- 57863977 +>>57859084 +>he was a big guy +--- 57864016 +>>57858987 (OP) +I hate niggers so much it's unreal. +--- 57864031 +>>57860296 +He kept is car retard. +--- 57864057 +the home defends ruse was just a distaction +i HAVE the car +--- 57864062 +>>57858987 (OP) +This was Vegas wasn't it? +--- 57864101 +>Rocky Hill Police Sgt. Jeffrey Foss-Rugan said..."We're seeing a lot of these incidents throughout the state" +One of many reasons castle doctrine should be the law of the land. +Thieves need to be taught the law of "fuck around and find out". +--- 57864130 +>>57858987 (OP) +since OP's a faggot + +>https://www.ctinsider.com/connecticut/article/rocky-hill-video-man-fights-car-thieves-17891669.php +--- 57864145 +>>57859298 +20 rounds? There was what, 4 of em? Assuming they arent completely crazed and would just run away instead of rush you. Otherwise things could get dirty fast. 10mm can be hard to control in a close situation like that, when you may not even have both hands on the weapon. +But most likely even a .22 would be enough here +--- 57864439 +>>57862908 +No need to thank me anon, just doing my civic duty to remind the world that the three day special military operation is now 1 year old +--- 57866136 +>>57858987 (OP) +Why didn't he even try to punch one of them? He just meekly grabbed one and then fell to the ground. +--- 57866173 +>>57858987 (OP) +>"own" house with garage +>park in street +Why is every American house like this? Park inside the fucking garage what is it for if you aren't putting vehicles inside it? +--- 57866194 +>>57859065 +this +>>57859028 +he should've killed him +--- 57866203 +>>57859317 +The dindus in the video unironically deserve to die +--- 57866244 +>>57859429 +pretty sure the one guy had a gun? he picked something up +--- 57866302 +>>57858987 (OP) +>none of the assailants died +>no parents and friends crying "why do he hav to shoot them tho?" on the local news +>cost of this crime bears on taxpayer and not the perps +3/10, property preserved, no discouragement achieved + +>>57859028 +>just let them take it +>insurance +If the job of insurance companies was to blow robber's brains all over their breakfast table in front of their families, I'd agree with you. +--- 57866430 +>>57866173 +>Why is every American house like this? + +We need a place to put all the plastic crap we consoom. +--- 57866442 +>>57859475 +>>57860217 +The homeowner was not on the ground until multiple people were attacking him. He couldn't have done any kimura, chokehold or leg lock in that position. He was dead. + +The only martial art that makes sense in this scenario is a striking art that focuses on ranging. +--- 57866460 +>>57859054 +>>57859065 +>>57859171 +t. retards who have never lived in a shit neighborhoods. Oh, you locked your door? Wow good thing your window is made of solid steel, right? +--- 57866468 +>>57866173 +>what is it for +My reloading bench, drill press, bandsaw, etc. +--- 57866489 +>>57858987 (OP) +Good: +Ring camera for situational awareness. +Bad: +Car unlocked. +No shotgun. +Story time: Grew up in a diverse, poor area. One of the girls I knew had a boyfriend get executed while trying to steal a stereo put of their car one night. +No charges. +Nothing of value was lost. +--- 57866493 +>>57859936 +>Only literal retards drive manual +Or when you live in a 3rd world shithole where paying the Automatic version costs almost half the price of the car because the resellers are fucking mafias. +--- 57866495 +>>57866442 +I don't like being sexist but why are women so fucking retarded when anything happens +--- 57866505 +>>57866442 +Damn this video is old as fuck. From what I remember the guy was a UFC fighter or boxer or something along those lines. +--- 57866514 +>>57866489 +>Grew up in a diverse, poor area +>doesn't understand why the car was unlocked +Yeah your neighborhood wasn't that poor or diverse clearly. People who live in shithole don't lock their car doors because then you just lose your windows. +--- 57866520 +>>57859028 +Unless you have complete full coverage, insurance doesnt cover theft and even full coverage isnt enough for most insurances, you have to pay an additional amount on top for "comprehensive" for most major insurers. So yeah go ahead and let them take your moms car since you're obviously an autist who doesnt drive +--- 57866524 +>>57866442 +Haha, grey sweatshirt had the knowledge to put his buddy in the recovery position, but is doing good that shit in tunnels. +--- 57866540 +>>57866524 +>but is doing good that shit in tunnels +What? +--- 57866546 +>>57866495 +>I don't like being sexist +You should +>why are women so fucking retarded when anything happens + +Because they are women. They (especially white women in high HDI countries) never have to deal with their problems on their own. Men always solve their problems and exercise violence on their behalf so they have no meaningful understanding of conflict beyond abstract ideas. +--- 57866553 +>>57866495 +so that men will protect them, not perceive them as a threat after other men are done killing their men. Being retarded is a strong evolutionary advantage in this case, when the only real threat to your survival is others of your species that want you to live so they can fuck you. +--- 57866567 +>>57858987 (OP) +This is why I always keep loaded guns at the ready in my home. No way I would have responded to this without a pistol or rifle. +--- 57866573 +>>57864145 +Put 4 in the first one and the rest are running, the whole idea of several unarmed people taking down a shooter has been proven bullshit hundreds of times. +>inb4 the 2 times it has happened +I also know someone that won the lottery twice but I wouldn't consider buying a ticket to be an investment. +--- 57866578 +>>57866540 +>all those cucks rushing over to check on the nigger +Pathetic +--- 57866579 +>>57866546 +>white women never have to deal with their problems on their own +Sometimes they do. +--- 57866620 +>>57866579 +>loses fight +>ass whuppin only ends when her friend steps in + +Thanks for proving my point. +--- 57866628 +>>57866514 +Haha, well if you want my hood cred, I'm originally from Channelview, TX. +Dell Dale St and I-10. +Check it on street view sometime. +There, even 20 years ago, the sound of breaking glass, barking dogs, upset chickens was likely to be met with gunfire. +So yeah, you never saw many unlocked cars or broken windows. They usually got in quiet and took the whole vehicle or noting at all. +I had a buddy whose work truck some crackhead had tried to pry bar the door handle itself rather than break the glass. +--- 57866634 +>>57866489 +>trying to steal a stereo put of their car one night +>>57866524 +>buddy in the recovery position, but is doing good that shit in tunnels +WT actual fuck is wrong with people these days my god +>inb4 fuck off grammar nazi +Fuck you it's grammar learn it or gtfo +--- 57866645 +>>57866634 +It's spelling, not grammer. +--- 57866648 +>>57866514 +>don't lock their car doors because then you just lose your windows. + +The whole "leave your doors unlocked" thing just emboldens the thieves to escalate and take more. t. got my ignition coils ripped out of my ranger after leaving the door unlocked. +--- 57866663 +>>57866620 +She still dealt with the problem on her own. If you really need to see one where the woman "wins" then here you go. +--- 57866697 +>>57866495 +>women so fucking retarded +tfw the answer is in the question. +--- 57866698 +>>57866663 +>on her own + +Her friend literally saved her. You and I have a very different definition of "on her own". This other lady has a mean left hook tho, so that counts. +--- 57866715 +>>57866697 +The woman in that webm was smart, though. She saw that it was two guys, one of them bigger than her BF, and figured the smart move was not to engage. + +THIS is being retarded. +--- 57866771 +>>57859936 +Here in Europe automatic is for Mothers and Homosexuals. I'll assume you're a Mom. +--- 57866792 +>>57866771 +>european +>calling others homosexuals +yeah it just doesn't really have much affect. I'm sure you're very much at ease when grabbing a shaft and working it. +--- 57866798 +>>57860261 +Basically no car uses insertable keys anymore. You keep a little dongle in your pocket and press a button to start the car. If you get jacked, you just run away and the thief gets to drive your car for about 10 yards before it shuts down. +--- 57866850 +>>57866514 +You also leave your house unlocked? + +Good luck telling your insurance your car was unlocked when you report the theft. You will see fucking nothing, the insurance and ANY court will rule against you just for negligence for not locking your vehicle. + +I'd say I grew up in a fairly homogeneous (although not rich) area and people locked their doors there. Claiming anything otherwise doesn't mean you grew up in a dangerous area, it means you grew up spoiled. +--- 57867148 +>>57859083 +And have to file a medical insurance claim instead? +--- 57867219 +>>57859807 +Yeah, some people just don't seem to grasp that the entire business model of insurance is never ever paying out for anything if they can avoid it for whatever reason. +--- 57867273 +>>57858987 (OP) +Imagine not owning a gun + +Imagine not taking advantage of an opportunity that would let you kill 4 niggers and get away with it free and clear +--- 57867348 +you could put a tracker and weasel a camera that takes a picture from the dash when you tell it to for like, 50 bucks these days. + +what the fuck are you guys doing +--- 57867361 +>>57867219 +>>57859807 +t. people who just chose the cheapest insurance option and read about 3 words of the terms and conditions +--- 57868079 +>>57859028 +>just let them take it +Happiness in the world increases!!! +--- 57868086 +>>57866460 +>lock doors +>they try to break windows +>drive away +??? +--- 57868382 +>>57859204 +Mind broken and rent free. +--- 57868939 +>>57860532 +you nailed it. +--- 57869159 +>>57859093 +Lol faggot cuck +--- 57870901 +>>57864145 + this guy has never shot a 10mm one handed, or ever for that matter +--- 57870921 +>>57859044 +Neither is Ukraine nigger. +--- 57871099 +>>57866715 +>literally runs into fist +>guys still cuck for her +like clockwork +captcha: 2VVVV +--- 57871153 +>>57858987 (OP) +Assuming this is texas, can I go out of my house with an AR and start blasting? +--- 57871232 +>>57859925 +--- 57871361 +>>57859028 +That's an infiniti you blind retard +--- 57871473 +>>57858987 (OP) +Fucking dumbass +Why do you even leave your car open? Are you fucking dumb? +--- 57871485 +>>57871361 +Infiniti is Nissan's "Luxury" brand even though only low class ghetto niggers tend to drive them. +--- 57871504 +>>57867361 +>I am totally not an insurance rep guise! +--- 57871645 +One time I saw a youth fiddling with my car but when I walked out of my flat brandishing a hatchet he just ran away. +--- 57871978 +shots should have been fired +--- 57872145 +>>57866850 +>You will see fucking nothing, +If you live in that neighborhood your insurance doesn't cover theft. +>hurr I grew up not in the hood and blah +yeah that's why you don't know a small piece of sparkplug ceramic will shatter your window in less than a second and locking your door just means you don't get to have windows anymore retard. They'll still steal whatever they want. +>Claiming anything otherwise doesn't mean you grew up in a dangerous area, it means you grew up spoiled. +lmao this guy thinks his insurance covers car theft and is calling others spoiled +>>57866648 +>just emboldens +They'll do that shit anyway. Even in alright neighborhoods in big cities tweakers just roll under cars and cut out the catalytic converter. +--- 57872557 +>>57858987 (OP) + +Classic. "When seconds matter, the police is only two hours away. Unless they have a lunch break scheduled or there's just three hours until their shift is done." +--- 57872590 +>>57859187 +ok? And the criminal just comes back in a week... +--- 57872680 +>>57863093 +Grow up you fucking manchild. If you think that color is "cool" you're literally 12 +--- 57872760 +How about for a change we rate the carjacking? +>Dude pitter patters up to an unlocked car +>Apparently he expects the keys to be in it? Even if he knew ahead of time it was unlocked, how did he expect to drive it away? +>Gets pulled out and starts mostly hugging the car owner in self defense +>3 more car jackers come out and start holding the dude down +>"Uh, guys.... How is this heling us steal this car?" +>Run away with absolutely nothing to show for it +Was it autism??? +--- 57872785 +>>57859044 +Fists are weapons. +--- 57872957 +>>57866460 +>No dude, it's totally better to give them easy access to your shit. Part in parcel! +You wouldn't happen to live in California, would you? +--- 57873086 +>>57872957 +Nope. +>easy access +Anon, it takes less than a second to break your window. I know you want to believe your lock keeps you safe, but it doesn't. +https://youtu.be/8LyHPZFtk3o?t=68 [Embed] +--- 57873103 +>>57866460 +The "no weapon" part was the most important part. diff --git a/k/57860610.txt b/k/57860610.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..837f2eec6f442ccb78ee180dbca13baea4e1f760 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57860610.txt @@ -0,0 +1,120 @@ +----- +--- 57860610 +i still think tavor looks cool +--- 57860624 +>>57860610 (OP) + +It is cool +--- 57860698 +>>57860610 (OP) +I would buy the fuck out of a Tavor 7 if the seven didn’t stand for fucking 7 MOA accuracy +--- 57860869 +>>57860698 +Allegedly the Tavor 7 gets closer to 1.5moa. Check around the boomer forums. They used a short stroke piston (as opposed to the Tavor's long stroke) and allegedly were really trying to get the accuracy right, and I'm told they did. + +1.5moa isnt long range precision shooting good, but it's good for a battle rifle and IMO plenty for hunting at ethical distances. +--- 57860900 +I've simply never been a fan.. that huge ass trigger gaurd taking up the whole grip always triggered my autism +--- 57860916 +>>57860900 +idk trigger guard looks fine to me +--- 57860964 +>>57860624 +man this pictures edited poorly +--- 57861101 +>>57860610 (OP) +A vatnigger thinks that giving money to people supporting genocide is cool, how surprising +--- 57861140 +>>57860916 +He probably means the cutlass style guard on the SAR. On the X95 and Tavor 7 you can swap it for a conventional trigger guard which makes way more fucking sense and is what you mostly see the Israelis use. The cutlass guard makes me nervous as fuck. +--- 57861311 +>>57860869 +Huh weird. When I looked into the Tavor 7 a couple years ago everywhere online had reviews saying 3-4MOA out of the box. Maybe I’ll reconsider getting one then. I want a good 7.62 bullpup + +>>57861140 +Good enough for the AUG good enough for me +--- 57863844 +>>57861140 +cutlass guard on a handgun would be cool, though. Has nobody tried this? Would make for a convenient foregrip. +--- 57866135 +>>57860624 +>be jew +>tattoo number on arm +kek +--- 57866155 +>>57866135 +--- 57866606 +>>57860900 +>>57861140 +non–mitten wearers detected +--- 57866651 +>>57860610 (OP) +>enters room +>points gun to right and then left + +what if there's a guy waiting to shoot him on his left? how would he be able to counter that? +--- 57866989 +>>57860610 (OP) +it does +--- 57867152 +>>57860610 (OP) +Are the Israelis still using the X-95 or have they switched back to a standard configuration rifle? +--- 57867763 +>>57866135 +But... booba... +>>57861311 +7.62mm bullpups are annoying and somewhat impractical unless you're shooting with a can. +t. has tinnitus from that shit. +--- 57867778 +>>57860610 (OP) +what is this gay shit just bomb the building already +--- 57868038 +>>57860893 +>0:10 +>sweep buddies and instructor +based +--- 57868083 +>>57866135 +Treyf observation, my man. +--- 57869791 +>>57868038 +its not a sweep bro he has no broom +--- 57869802 +>>57867152 +idf is using standard rifles, gen 3 tavor but some units still have gen 2 +--- 57869845 +>>57860610 (OP) +I still think your mom looks gay +--- 57869868 +How is it for a Palestinian Paster? Surely the Jews make good guns, right? +--- 57869899 +>>57866651 +>Enter room +>Points gun to the left and then right +what if there's a guy waiting to shoot him on his right? how would he be able to counter that? +--- 57869900 +>>57869899 +shooting first +--- 57869920 +>>57869900 +If he's pointed to the left, the guy on the right will be more likely to get the first shot. +--- 57869955 +>>57867763 +Just wear ear pro? +--- 57869983 +>>57869920 +if theres a guy point at guy instead of pointing at a random direction +--- 57870053 +>>57869983 +You always enter the room sweeping from the visible to the extreme right or left corners. Coming in and just reacting to the corners will get you shot more often. That's not how any army trains, including the IDF as shown. +--- 57870126 +>>57870053 +maybe if you're a slow ass nerd +real men just shoot first +--- 57870146 +>>57860893 +>sweeps the head of everyone at every moment he can +Based? +--- 57872441 +>>57870146 +Swept you mom with my dick diff --git a/k/57861089.txt b/k/57861089.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..ca81b301d4965c34f1a17fbbd7c4ff18c406d8d7 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57861089.txt @@ -0,0 +1,114 @@ +----- +--- 57861089 +today I went rucking, did 7.53km - 4.68 miles in 1h17m - 10:15min/km - 16:45min/mi + +note that 20% of the distance was done offroad over dense weeds that went up to my belly button, and 40% was over tilled farmland, the rest was on dirt roads or paved roads, all the terrain was a plain. + +the backpack was 16.5kg - 36lbs + +how's that? +--- 57861115 +You will never be a weapon +--- 57861125 +>>57861089 (OP) +Congrats. You trampled some freshly tilled and seeded field a d fucked over a farmers hard work. +Go fuck yourself. +--- 57861150 +>>57861125 +lol seethe more faggot there were no seeds planted +--- 57863047 +>>57861089 (OP) +Totally depends on how rough the terrain is. I had a long (93 day) trip in the Andes working hard every day from when I woke up to sleep. I had been training before I left and ran a decent pace 18 mile race even before the grueling trip. Had the heart rate of a pro cyclist when I got back. + +But, we had a day where we made it all of about 7 miles in 16 hours, even though we were acclimatized to altitude and were close to sea level again. + +Absolutely atrocious bush and thorns kept slowing us while the topo maps in Chile are in 10 meter contour lines so that 30 foot cliffs can be entirely missing. Then, it was also so thick it became hard to navigate, while it was also knee deep mud in some places, and we had just made our last resupply but still had ropes, pickets, ice and trad racks, etc., meaning 80-90lb packs. + +An extreme example, but point is that terrain can slow you to a snail's pace no matter your conditioning. +--- 57863055 +>>57861089 (OP) +>the backpack was 16.5kg - 36lbs +KWAB +--- 57863094 +>>57861089 (OP) + +>16.5kg backpack + +What did you put inside, your body pillow, suntan lotion and bud light feminine edition? +--- 57863223 +>>57863094 +>>57863055 + +its a totally fine ruck with all I need for doing a multi day hike in the mountains, military rucks weigh more due to military equipment like ammo, empty sandbags, e tool, mg ammo, rocket launchers, etc +in mine I have a sleeping bag, tarp, food, water, mess kit, first aid kit, lvl7 jacket, waterproof jacket, water filter, 2 spare socks, stove, spare lv1 shirt, 3L water bladder, headlamp, and some other stuff, this list isnt complete, I was missing spare batteries, monocular, and additional water canteens + +you dont need to carry 100lbs of gear unless theres a specific need for it +--- 57863244 +>>57863047 +that's cool, was it a thru hike? +what experience did you have previous to that? +how did you resupply your food(and water if you didn't filter it on your own)? +--- 57863321 +>>57861089 (OP) +>>>/fit/ +--- 57865362 +>>57861089 (OP) +>how's that? +Not a bad start. I did a 20k with a 75 pound ruck up a mountain and back in 3 hours and 40 minutes, and that was after three months of conditioning for it. If you are looking to get dialed in on your rucking ability give backpacking a try. It forces you to consider weight vs utility, and you get to figure out how numerous days of walking feels. Just a thought. +--- 57865412 +>>57861089 (OP) +>How was that +Not bad, don't mean to discourage you but it is below the US army standard. You need to push yourself to at least a 15 min mile, but you're almost there +--- 57865467 +>>57861089 (OP) +Lots of anons will hate from their couch. +Great job friendo +--- 57866210 +I come here to read about guns, but some of you guys are fuckin losers wtf +--- 57867976 +>>57865362 +>backpacking +yes im also starting ti go inna mountains, already went a weekend +--- 57867981 +>>57866210 +what +--- 57868759 +>>57863055 +>>57863094 +--- 57871862 +>>57861089 (OP) +>Sub 10km +>Over 1h + +That's just fast walking, which doesn't require a lot of prep and thought. Consider switching the boots for running shoes, dropping half the weight and aim for 10km/1h. This will help find any weak spots in you packing from the beginning. +Also looking at the pictures, the backpack is too far away from your shoulders, which will fucking wreck your stamina once you have to move faster than a chill walk. +--- 57872272 +>>57871862 +cant get closer than that, its the normal space between the actual pack bag and the frame + +also how is that a fast walk, the army standard is 15min miles min, i did close to that, not that good a time but its the 2nd time i ruck + +anyway ti get better what type of exercise should I do +--- 57872409 +>>57872272 +>anyway ti get better what type of exercise should I do + +Just walk. The more often you do it, the better you get. Also consider walking on trekking paths and not paved roads. It will be much easier on your joints. +--- 57872436 +>>57872272 +>anyway ti get better what type of exercise should I do +Squats and sprints if you want. But rucking once a week and doing 2x other cardio events the rest of the week is good enough. +--- 57872468 +>>57861089 (OP) +>pack: rucked +>dick: tucked +>knees: fucked +--- 57872499 +>>57872436 +I go running also +>>57872409 +I go innamountains doing 2 day hikes, cant do more bc it's for the weekend and then I got to work +--- 57872503 +>>57863055 +>bags of sugar +Is this the bong version of football fields diff --git a/k/57861147.txt b/k/57861147.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5a14e4031afc5176af747c3bdc73b400c3706173 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57861147.txt @@ -0,0 +1,742 @@ +----- +--- 57861147 +Say something nice about him +--- 57861157 +>>57861147 (OP) +Soon. +--- 57861169 +Since T-55s are already in the hands of Russian forces. Who would win if a Leo 1 faced a T-55? +--- 57861185 +>>57861147 (OP) +Looks like a overhauled hull (at least a new lick of paint) and a old turret. +--- 57861188 +>>57861169 +Leopard 1A5 hands down. It's not even close. +--- 57861192 +>>57861147 (OP) +needs moar ERA +--- 57861204 +>>57861169 +I think one Leopard can beat 10 T-55. +--- 57861239 +>>57861169 +>President Zelensky, I'm FSB. +--- 57861247 +>>57861192 +Slap on every piece of Mexas and ERA you can find on those suckers. +--- 57861259 +>>57861147 (OP) +Basically this >>57861157 +>>57861192 +>>57861218 +--- 57861373 +>>57861157 +aside from additional weight, is there any reason not to slap a bunch of ERA on it? +--- 57861394 +>>57861157 +>>57861218 +I love this meme +--- 57861427 +>>57861239 +You're a short guy. +--- 57861429 +>>57861157 +>>57861192 +>>57861218 +--- 57861445 +>>57861147 (OP) +ERA doko? +--- 57861446 +>>57861373 +crunchies standing near the tank might not enjoy the ERA detonating, but that argument is overblown because they also won't enjoy the HEAT warhead fragments that triggered the ERA + +I don't know the lethal and jnjury radii for Kontakt 1 but I can't imagine it's much larger than for an RPG-7 warhead +--- 57861476 +>>57861446 +Not just near but in the direction normal to it. ERA with metal flyer plates act a bit like wannabe claymores. +--- 57861489 +>>57861147 (OP) +is that a Leopard 2K turret with a 105 mm gun? +--- 57861509 +>>57861218 +The Danes already bricked them. +--- 57861510 +My retarded take: A fully upgraded Leopard-1 can 1v1 any Russian tank in existence. There was a period where the 105MM wasn't good enough at long distances but technology has advanced. T-64, T-72, T-80, and T-90 can all be penetrated by the 105 at the same range the Russian tanks can hit the Leopard so the extra armor isn't a huge benefit. A poor as the Leopard armor is, the Russian tanks have shown themselves to be turret-tossing, self immolating, unsuriviable, unreliable, shitboxes. + +Since both sides can destroy one another at all likely engagement ranges, it would likely come down to optics, reliability, thermals, accuracy, etc.. all of which lean towards the Leopard and outweigh the better armor protection on some Russian tanks. A Leopard 1 can also be covered in ERA just as well as a Russian tank too. In real life, the Russian tanks are also being refurbished with inferior equipment, are more poorly maintained, etc.. so the Leopards will probably be better. Which si an insane thing to think. They'll be vulnerable to RPG-7s but so would everything except Abrams, Challenger, and Leopard-2. +--- 57861540 +>>57861373 +I think one big Issue is that it would prevent any other additional armor from being added. Leo 1 armor is so thin i'm pretty sure that even 30mm might be a threat against it even from the front. The biggest benefit of ERA though would be in helping against any RPG rounds which is probably the most common threat that it will face. +--- 57861546 +>>57861510 +It depends, with K-5 the 105 can't go through the front of later T-72s/T-90s and T-80s. Granted considering that the Russians probably have a ton of K-1 in use still and a lot of K-5 bricks are probably empty, I think most cases it won't be a problem +--- 57861550 +With the degradation of Russian tanks. Even the Leo 1 will end as way superior +--- 57861560 +As i am not in the mood to spend 1000 hours on photoshop (or paint), i humbly ask for someone to make an ERA version of picrel +--- 57861581 +>>57861476 +if you're standing in a position to be hit by the flyer plate, an RPG has already passed through your body in it's way to the ERA, which seems like a bigger issue +--- 57861596 +>>57861147 (OP) +Cute socks. +--- 57861597 +>>57861546 +okay but what if they strap captured K5 plates to the Leopard 1s + +I totally expect Ukraine to make ghetto arrowhead armor for their 2A4s using captured K5 plates and I'll be sad if they don't +--- 57861607 +>>57861147 (OP) +With a rack like that that's a girl, son. +Real tanks have fuckhuge and pointy tits, flat turrets are for paedophiles. +--- 57861687 +>>57861607 +Uohhhhhhhhh! !! !! 2a4 erotic !!!!!! 2a4 hull and turret !!!!!! Erotic … +--- 57861739 +>>57861581 +Rather imagine being in a position 15-30m off from the side of a tank with ERA. The problem isn't that the RPG fragments get you in that case but rather the blast generates a cone of fragments. Statistically some of the chunkier pieces of the flyer plate can make it far and still maim or kill at that point. Not to say that happens every time but that is one of the genuine concerns with ERA. +--- 57861777 +>>57861218 +>>57861247 +worked out for frogs +--- 57861928 +>>57861596 +She even has ERA abs. +--- 57861940 +for spring offensive 2026 +--- 57861946 +>>57861928 +Would kontakt/10 +--- 57861955 +>>57861687 +Its a nice looking tank, like a modernized Tiger +--- 57861968 +>>57861739 +Most of the time I'm not seeing tanks and infantry being used in tandem, its more like the tanks advance, then retreat followed up by an ifv with infantry coming in. Rarely are there WW2 tier combined arms levels of cramped. +--- 57862024 +>>57861510 +Sorry, but the 105 can't go (frontally) through +>T-72BA +>T-72B3/(2016) +>T-80U/(K) +>T-80BV [Big maybe] +>T-80BVM [Unless they don't strike the ERA] +>T-90 'Ural' [Big maybe] +>T-90A +>T-90M +The rest is free game tho. +120mm cannons can do against anything tho. +--- 57862030 +>>57861739 +ERA luckily isn't a frag warhead, it's usually just 2 relatively large pieces of shrapnel, so the likelyhood of injury is acceptable. +--- 57862047 +>>57862024 +Don't the Leos have actual thermals in them? They could probably out maneuver the Russian stuff thanks to the better awareness and get side hits +--- 57862081 +>>57862047 +Yes +--- 57862157 +>>57861247 +Woah, that's sex +--- 57862198 +>>57861147 (OP) +Whats the tactical advantage of putting a flashing light on top of your tank? +--- 57862207 +>>57861169 +The Leopard 1 was explicitly designed to kill T-55s. +--- 57862267 +>>57861147 (OP) +What kind of cuck lamp is that. +--- 57862428 +>>57861147 (OP) +damn, he cute +--- 57862446 +>>57861169 +T-55AM Merida? Merida. +--- 57862453 +>>57862024 +i dont think tank to tank combat is going to be that much of a priority hell theres barely any footage of that + +theres plenty of footage of tanks smashing through infantry, thats why they are useful +--- 57862506 +>>57862024 +Honestly that's pretty concerning since i'm pretty sure if the Leo 1 does have to face off against a Tank, it's probably going to be a T-72B3 or T-80BV just by probability alone +--- 57862695 +>>57861510 +>>57862024 +depends if it gets the super modern APFSDS ammo imo by the jews or belgians, it might actually be able to +--- 57862712 +>>57861147 (OP) +Lmao this is the interior +--- 57862713 +>>57862024 +Soviet tanks all have the same weakened zones +Lower plate +Drivers cutout region +Gun housing +Turret ring +Turret area above the composite armor +While it is unreasonable to "aim" for weakspots, it is still a game of probabilities. +So while it's unlikely for the 105mm to go through the toughest armored sections (Glacis + turret cheeks), there is still ~30% of the tank that is vulnerable from the front. +--- 57862735 +>>57862712 +Looks like a dentist's office. +--- 57862770 +>>57862047 +Yes, Leos have actual thermals, why they'd likely be the one kind of tank to fight other ones, because they'd be able to find them and thus be able to engage em favorably, but with normal rounds the front of those tanks is a no-go. +>>57862453 +Oh, on that it's iffy, 105 ain't known for HE lobbing, they mostly used HEAT for that same role, but yeah, it'd work. But Leo 1 would also be great for hunting enemy tanks at night. +>>57862506 +Yes, it is an issue, but they can probably get a lucky hit and retreat quickly enough thanks to actually being decent reverse-speed wise, or let other units strike after pointing em with their sights. +>>57862695 +If they get M900 they'll be able to drop the remaining T-72s plus the T-72B4, also known as T-90 'Ural'. Don't know about the rest of tanks tho. but maybe they'll be able to get glacis-hits which I think would be the best bet. +--- 57862791 +>>57862713 +Sadly, they're called lucky hits for that reason, one out of 4-5 hits going through isn't a good bet in a military. Though due to the localized nature of Russian usage of vehicles in the defense I think they can gang up on lone Russian tanks and blast em by sheer M833 fire. +--- 57862793 +>>57861510 +Retarded and delusional. +Leo 1A5 will fail to penetrate any half-decent Russian tank frontally. +The only advantage it has is thermals which most Russian tanks don't have. Not all that useful if it can't pen the tank it hits. If a Russian tank sees the Leopard first however, the Leopard is screwed. +>>57862453 +The Leopard 1 will be extremely vulnerable while assaulting infantry. Any AT whatsoever will punch through from just about any angle. +I expect to see quite a few burning Leopard 1s. For the most part, they're shitty tanks in 2023. Anyone jerking themselves off over a thin-skinned 105mm tank in Ukraine is going to get a rude awakening. +--- 57862821 +>>57862712 +What kind of god-forsaken, training aid mockup did you find a picture of? +--- 57862874 +>>57861247 +thats the uparmored canadian Leo 1 C2 which they are not sending over. think they got sold to some pajeet +--- 57862893 +>>57862793 +>half-decent +>Russian tank +pick one +--- 57862924 +>>57861157 +The welded Leopard 1s turret is made of spaced armor. +The outer skin is too thin to mount Kontakt-1 without being damaged from the explosion +--- 57862965 +>>57862030 +>ERA luckily isn't a frag warhead +Check out Nizh. +--- 57862971 +>>57862893 +That's relative to their own fleet. Relative to the Leopard 1, almost all of them are superior. +--- 57862983 +>>57862971 +Like for example? +--- 57863023 +>>57862983 +Anything T-72B and above. Once you get into stuff like a T-80B the Leopard becomes laughable, outside of the very basic thermals. Even that shouldn't be overstated too much, since assets don't operate in an atomized manner. ISR is a thing. +--- 57863056 +>>57863023 +>T-80 +yeah no, they don't have much of em +but you are right on T-72BA and forths, basic bitch T-72Bs I don't think are superior. +--- 57863091 +>>57861247 +>>57862874 +MEXAS would have been based if they had mass produced the plates in absolute fuck-ton quantities like Russia did with Kontakt +--- 57863125 +>>57861739 +>ERA might wound the infantry accompanying the tank +Anon, Russians do not use combined arms. There are no infantry lmao. +--- 57863129 +>>57861147 (OP) +>Say something nice about him +Many smooth surfaces. Engine strong enough for some added weight. +--- 57863135 +>>57863056 +125mm gun with better HE and APFSDS. +Armor that at least gives the crew a chance to survive AP or Gen2 ATGM HEAT which is everywhere. +What does the Leopard have? Shitty thermals? Doesn't compensate for getting killed by any infantry ATGM and being useless for engaging half the tanks it might see. +--- 57863143 +>>57862024 +Have you seen how little confidence russian tank crews have about their metal coffins? It doesn't even need to penetrate but just getting hit would probably make half of them do the abandooner meme +--- 57863154 +>>57861169 +Leo has better mobility, FCS. T-55 has better armor, which is irrelevant against DM33+. +--- 57863362 +>>57862024 +Against modern (1980+) darts, only parts covered by K5 ERA are protected. And even then, the ERA block must be filled with explosives (and not styrofoam/air) and those explosives must not have degraded after decades in storage (causing them to detonate AFTER the dart passed through). + +>>57862770 +>105 ain't known for HE lobbing +>>57863135 +>125mm gun with better HE +Rifled 105mm packs about as much HE as smoothbore 125mm. Both are ~3kg. +--- 57863546 +>>57861446 +>I don't know the lethal and jnjury radii for Kontakt 1 but I can't imagine it's much larger than for an RPG-7 warhead + +Prety aure ERA would have a bigger blast simply from the direction of the blast- outwards. That said, ERA detonating beats the tank detonating if your job is to keep tank alive, and the tank's job is to kill those shooting you. +--- 57863573 +>>57863362 +we never had HE to throw around, just M456, sorry +--- 57863640 +>>57863362 +>using Steel beasts armor models in the current year +>the only thing that matters is HE content. +HESH, due to how it works needs thin walls, so it will produce poor fragmentation. Fragmentation is more effective over distance then blast +125mm HE has thicker walls optimised for producing better fragmentation +Also HESH is only delayed fuzed which means it will penetrate into soil then explode, reducing it's effectiveness +125mm HE is can be set to either immediate (vs infantry in the open) or delay fuzed (vs structures + light vehicles) +--- 57863645 +>>57862713 +>While it is unreasonable to "aim" for weakspots +Literally (successfully) done in WWII already. +--- 57863650 +>>57861218 +>>57861509 +--- 57863685 +>>57862793 +Most hits aren't to the front and russian AT weapons are mostly stopped by ERA. +So you'd need repeated hits against somebody with better optics than you. Ask the goatfuckers in the middle east how secret their nightly husbandry was. +Just kidding they never found out. Heat vision, nigger. +--- 57863863 +>>57863685 +>Most hits aren't to the front +They are, and always have been. +>russian AT weapons are mostly stopped by ERA +Not sure how well ERA plastered on a thin-skinned vehicle never meant to receive it like a Leopard is going to work, if it works at all. Even if you stick it on, it simply adds HEAT resistance. It's not an absolute counter. +>So you'd need repeated hits against somebody with better optics than you +The Leopard 1 having shitty thermals isn't going to stop it needing to expose itself to fire. When it does, if there's any AT with range, it's toast. Unless you're imagining shitty thermals means it now now has a God's-eye view of the battlefield. It's still a buttoned-up giant vehicle and emplaced infantry will still see it before it sees them. +--- 57863995 +>>57862874 +>think they got sold to some pajeet +Worse. used as targets. +--- 57864056 +>>57863863 +>They are, and always have been. +Factually incorrect even in WWII. We have plenty of studies on this. +>Not sure +Maybe shut the fuck up then. +>shitty thermals +Superior than basically everything Russìa hasright now. +>expose +Russian tanks are essentially blind in comparison. Exposure isn't the issue, being acquired is. +>toast +Never served retard doesn't know how visible people are on cold backgrounds if you're in a western tank. +>buttoned up +Slavshit detected. +Western doctrine has always been to keep the commander's head out in basically all situations except the middle of an artillery barrage, because contrary to Russian belief what you don't see is what kills you. +Get exposed, vatnik. +--- 57864067 +>>57863863 +Leo 1 is thinly armored for tank standards but it's still meant to resist 30mm APDS, it's not like slapping ERA on a Buhanka. Show me an ERA brick where 70mm RHA isn't an appropriate backing. +--- 57864167 +>>57862024 +But 105mm DM63 has superior performance compared to 3BM42, which is 100% of Ukrainian ammo and the overwhelming majority of Russian ammo. +Additionally, as >>57862713 pointed out, Russian tanks have massive amounts of weakspots (mostly located at center mass kek) even the very latest T-90Ms. +Leopard 1s are absolutely capable of frontally destroying every Russian tank. +Finally, we all know that image of a T-72B3 destroyed by a Ukrainian sabot through the front, which means Russian tanks often have empty ERA, which massively decreases armor, or that Russian armor estimates are overstated. +All in all, the Leopard 1A5 will be an effective tank in Ukraine, even in an offensive capacity. +--- 57864303 +>>57863863 +Ukraine was already putting ERA on BMPs so i'm sure if a BMP-2 can handle it then so can a Leo1 +--- 57864390 +>>57864303 +Thing is BMP-2 can't handle ERA like K-1 +--- 57864415 +>>57864056 +>Factually incorrect even in WWII. +Do tell. +>Maybe shut the fuck up then +What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed just as easily. A Kornet will rip through a Leopard 1 even with theoretical bastardized ERA thrown on top without issue. Cope and seethe. +>Superior than basically everything Russìa hasright now. +Basically equivalent. Low res gen1 garbage that can't see anything at range. That's leaving out the nicer stuff they had pre-war which is outright superior. +>Russian tanks are essentially blind in comparison +Good thing they can take a hit, which the Leo can't. +>Never served. Muh amazing thermals can see everything +Early thermals against emplaced infantry at long range? They won't see jack shit. I know from experience, unlike you. We had very modern thermals, and even that had difficulty picking out humans at range if they were in heavy cover. +>Western doctrine has always been to keep the commander's head out +Mk. 1 Eyeballs won't be useful unless he's right on top of the enemy, where even a PG-7V will kill the tank. Good job. +Fucked up close, fucked at range. Leo1 is garbage, and I look forward to seeing their hulks litter the battlefield. +--- 57864539 +>>57864415 +>Do tell. +Google it yourself, vatnik. Nice irrelevant image though. You don't even know what angle means. +Rest is tldnr, you're not that interesting. +--- 57864573 +>>57862712 +>>57862735 +>>57862821 + +The best part is when all the crew all get inside, are seated and the hatches are put down, the first few seconds' synth noises of Kraftwerk's "The Robots" plays inside. +--- 57864718 +>>57864539 +>Too stupid to understand angle calculations when the 0-5 is a dead giveaway it's in reference to the front. +>"Vatnik", when it's obvious to anyone with reading comprehension my command of English is better than yours. +Hopefully the Ukies will be more manly about losing when it comes to these shitty tanks. +--- 57864738 +>>57864718 +You're a dumb nigger and I will love seeing more dead russians from leopard 1s. +--- 57864777 +>>57864718 +>>Too stupid to understand angle calculations when the 0-5 is a dead giveaway it's in reference to the front. +Kek +It goes from 0 to 90, anon. +That's a straight hit vs one at the most extreme angle possible and doesn't refer to the sides of the tank. Otherwise it would have to go to 180° recover the backside. +Vatniggers can be so silly in their childish fantasies. +--- 57865001 +>>57861596 +What does PaHok mean? +--- 57865239 +>>57861147 (OP) +Thread theme: +https://youtu.be/bPrT0Fzzwsg [Embed] + +Does anyone know what the refurbishments/upgrades actually are for the leopard 1's? +--- 57865252 +>>57861157 +--- 57865282 +>>57865239 +A bunch of the old Leopards were outdated models, I guess they're being updated to A5 standard. +--- 57865288 +>>57862924 +Has that ever stopped Slavs? +--- 57865448 +>Scared mobik clutching to his AKM in his trench while hearing cannon fire outside, then he hears a click, a grenade drops in front of him. +>Desperate he jumps out of the trench while it goes off. +>Mobik gets caught by the concussion, there is only a ring in his ears and white in his eyes for a long moment +>Finally he manages to focus and raises his head +>A dozen of meters in front of him he sees the shape of a tank, a Leopard tank, its gun pointing at him +>Before the shot ends his life he wonders "why does this tank have in its turret the image of a werecat thing?" +--- 57865460 +>>57862207 +You’re a big guy +>>57864303 +Wicked. +--- 57865494 +>>57861147 (OP) +I can’t wait for them to start putting swastikas and wolfsangels on them +--- 57865906 +>>57864777 +a WW2 statistic does say that the sides are more often hit than the front +or rather: all 3 sides other than the rear are equally likely to be hit, but since you have 2 sides then they are twice as likely to present themselves than the front +this does make some logical sense, neither the attacker nor the defender have any real control over the engagement so hits are distributed solely along surface area + +this is corroborated up until the israeli-arab wars, where side shots were still more common but front hits were getting more widespread +the turning point was in the gulf war, where combat could take place at 2km distance with thermals to spot targets, making it much easier to keep the front to the target + +forgot the soruce on this but another factor is that western tanks now have giant turrets compared to the hull, and since the turret can turn to face the enemy its less likely to be hit on the side +so the M1 is just presenting its turret front more often than its hull side compared to an M4A3, with a small turret and massive hull +--- 57865924 +>>57865494 +Swastikas are verboten. Ukrainian government is working double time to distance and dissuade troops and units from displaying any nazi or far right insignias. Azoic is the best known example, from being a nationalists paramilitary group fighting in 2014 to a fully absorbed national guard group that now has its own rabbi and a greatly watered down emblem. Kiev is making sure they stay on top of the public image game and to make Russia’s Ukraine=Nazi rhetoric fall flat along with trying extremely hard for garnering support from Israel. +--- 57865946 +>>57865906 +NTA, but that data isn't very useful because a hit to the sides from the frontal 60 degree arc is functionally a hit to the front. +--- 57865976 +>>57865946 +if youre 60 degrees off-axis from a tank, then thats almost a perfect flank with the side far more visible than the front +--- 57866013 +>>57865976 +60 degree arc = 30 degrees to either side, that would be 120 degrees in your example. +--- 57866038 +>>57866013 +oh, did not know you meant it that way +but using 0-180, most side shots occured between 60-120 degrees from the center in WW2 +the 6 day war and kuwait had the front hit more often, but the sides and rear averaged out, and yom kippur possibly being the only time when tank were really slinging it out in a small frontal arc +--- 57866502 +>>57861147 (OP) +Your armor is looking pretty thin today +--- 57866690 +>>57861777 +hey, i have right image for that too +--- 57866847 +>>57861373 +Leo1 has the same problem that BMPs and trucks have - the underlying "armor" is so thin it might get destroyed by the ERA itself. +--- 57866862 +>>57861147 (OP) +How useful it's gonna be depends entirely on +>does it have thermals +>does it have rounds that can pen basic bitch t-72s from the front +If yes, its lack of armor doesn't really matter in this conflict. +--- 57866928 +>>57866690 +Damn French ERA thick af +Lookin fine +I bet it's better than K-1 too +--- 57866966 +>>57861169 +Whoever shot first, but given the Leo has thermals I'd bet on it to make that shot +--- 57866980 +>>57866966 +>Whoever shot first +Are you assuming T-55 can hit in first try? +--- 57866984 +>>57866966 +>shot +Hit. Don't forget that hitting is also required, and not at all trivial with a T-55 +--- 57866985 +>>57861147 (OP) +It looks like a Panther with a turret bustle. +--- 57867105 +>>57866985 +Panther is unironically better protected than it +--- 57867116 +>>57867105 +But much slower, less reliable and less well-armed. And its additional protection is meaningless against any AT weapon manufactured from 1950 onwards. +--- 57867122 +>>57861777 +>>57866690 +I love the BRENUS +--- 57867212 +>>57862924 +STFU you know you want this. Don't tell anyone else either +--- 57867337 +>>57861777 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOKFTTg6W5g [Embed] +--- 57867411 +>>57862793 +>The Leopard 1 will be extremely vulnerable while assaulting infantry. Any AT whatsoever will punch through from just about any angle. +Issue is that, recently we could see that Russians are also having shortage of motherfucking AT weapons +--- 57867421 +>>57867116 +At least the Panther wouldn't die from an autocannon. +--- 57867430 +>>57866984 +Or that Leo outranges T-55 considerably +--- 57867439 +>>57867105 +the panther has 80mm at 55deg and 40mm at 40deg on the side, so ~140mm and ~50mm LOS armor +leopard 1 is 70mm at 60deg on the front and 45mm at 40deg on the side, or ~140mm and ~55mm on the sides + +leopard 1 is actually slightly tougher than a panther hull-wise, but turret-wise the leopard 1 was already tougher than a panther at the start and got up-armored over time +panther 1 had a 100mm curved gunshield, that provided more protection at the edges than the center +leopard A1 has a somewhat complex armor scheme with a 65mm thick turret overlapping with the gunshield, providing a combined 100+ mm of thickness +the A1A1 had add-on armor on top of the gunshield +the A2 and A3 recieved a new welded turret which improved protection slightly by moving to HHA instead of cast armor, and making the gunshield and add-on armor a single piece +the A5 supposedly has bolt-on composite armor in addition to the improved turret + +while the leopard 1 was designed with armor only meant for 30mm APDS rounds and of third priority to firepower and speed, its still has armor far superior to any panther +--- 57867440 +>>57862924 +Easy enough to plate it then add Kontakt. Welding is far from difficult and not expensive. Laser or waterjet the plates (any job shop with a large outfit can do that), weld them in place with ERA mounts preinstalled and done. None of that is high precision work. +--- 57867460 +>>57865001 +>What does PaHok mean? +Morning +In cyrillic: +>P = R +>H = N +--- 57867461 +>>57861147 (OP) +objectivly a worthy peer opponent to the T-series +--- 57867470 +>>57863023 +>>57862793 +>>57862024 +Stop using war thunder as your primary source +--- 57867493 +>>57867470 +in warthunder, you have a decent chance to beat T-72Bs with a 105mm gun frontally if you can get them dead center through the weakened zone +you also have a decent chance to go through the side armor if they are angled even slightly due to APFSDS having very good grip against steeply angled surfaces + +in real life, no one is aiming for weakpoints, so you arent getting through those weakpoints every time +but its still far from "never" +--- 57867512 +>>57864582 +Y-y-yes, g-g-irl friend +--- 57867518 +>>57861169 +T55 is essentially a ww2 tank while leo is a basically modern tank without the armor +--- 57867523 +>>57864582 +I've been feminized +--- 57867541 +>>57864415 +>Russian tanks can take a hit +Lol +Lmao, even. +--- 57867598 +>>57866847 +Retarded post, 70mm of steel is more than enough to handle ERA. +--- 57867606 +>>57864415 +Would be a shame if they replaced the WBG-X with something else during refurb. +--- 57867608 +>>57861373 +There's no point to mount ERA on thin armor, because the increase in protection isn't enough to matter. +--- 57867621 +>>57865924 +I feel like most of the German-inspired imagery is just IRL shitposting. +--- 57867717 +>>57866847 +>>57867608 +Whats the deal with this fudd-posting? ERA against PG7-equivalent RPGS has been fielded on shitboxes like the M113 and M2 Bradley without problems, and those are vehicles with base armour that struggle against 7.62 AP and 14.5 AP respectably. +--- 57867725 +>>57867717 +I always wondered if it had to do with applique armour turning the original armour thick enough for era to be placed effectively. +--- 57867734 +>>57861147 (OP) +Yikes +--- 57867811 +>>57867493 +>in real life, no one is aiming for weakpoints +Go read a WWII manual and experience reports. People have aimed for weak points for about a century now. +--- 57868031 +>>57867811 +>Go read a WWII manual and experience reports +at long range, people fired at whatever they saw since they would be lucky enough to just hit the target +at close range, people fired as fast as they could at whatever they saw + +> People have aimed for weak points for about a century now. +pamphlets telling people where to aim was a morale thing, trying to get crews to go into battle with at least a glimmer of hope that they could do something +but in practice, people considered themselves lucky just to hit the enemy +--- 57868101 +if ANY of you motherfuckers had pait attention in WoT, you'd know that the leopard is a medium sniper tank. + +SNIPER, as in "not meant for close combat". +--- 57868318 +>>57867493 +Some nerds have been telling soviet MBT armor in war thunder overperforms about 25% for a year or two. If I recal correctly, they basically have the hull angle calculated in twice. Without that they match much closer to what Western analytics have told. +--- 57868326 +>>57868318 +Yeah +--- 57868360 +>>57867811 +In actual battle you aim at whatever you see first or the center of what you see. +Nobody will aim at 'weakspots'. +--- 57868660 +>>57862198 +Refurbished by War Thunder players +--- 57868790 +>>57868101 +>wot +>even being used when judging real vehicular combat +lmao you're so delusional it hurts +war thunder has at least a modicum of accuracy to it +the Leopard is an MBT of the awkward high firepower but no high effectiveness armor era, thus not having been equipped to be protected against MBT cannons, but is intended to fight MBT's +--- 57868799 +>>57868790 +>war thunder has at least a modicum of accuracy to it +--- 57868803 +>>57861739 +This is an issue for countries where losing a few people gets media looking for a juicy story. Ukraine would absolutely sacrifice some unlucky fucks to keep their decent tanks in working condition as they're manpower-heavy but equipment-poor. +--- 57868832 +>>57868799 +>wotbaby is perplexed that video game that actually put in *some* effort to model things correctly is closer to reality than bing bing wahoo arkade skinner box +--- 57868918 +>>57868832 +Both of these games are 'arcade bing wahoo' games. In no military conflict ever are you going to see dozens of of mixmatched battalions of tanks engaging in an open area. Especially not the types and nations you see on the game. Unless you're playing Sim Battles (the least played one) you're getting meme tier combos. Not to mention WT having abyssmal penetration, deflection, armor, explosive, and basically every quality of impact weapons wrong or functioning improperly. There are dozens of vehicles with turrets that are nonfunctional, asinine rounds given to tanks and planes that never had them or would be equipped with them (Because the actual rounds would be too good. Meaning USA would dominate Russian and German ass) + +Having thrown 200hrs of my goddamn life into that shit. I can tell you factually that War Thunder is the least realistic bullshit ever. If it was actual 'sim' where things had their real values, rounds, and ballistic effects. It's an abyssal grind too unless you put money into the skinner box. +--- 57868967 +>>57868918 +>Not to mention WT having abyssmal penetration, deflection, armor, explosive, and basically every quality of impact weapons wrong or functioning improperly. There are dozens of vehicles with turrets that are nonfunctional, asinine rounds given to tanks and planes that never had them or would be equipped with them (Because the actual rounds would be too good. Meaning USA would dominate Russian and German ass) +Oh I am well aware +>200 hours on steam +lol lmao newfag +come back to me when you have at least 500 hours of utter pure ingame match time +--- 57868988 +>>57868918 +>200hrs +cute :3 +--- 57869133 +>>57868660 +Needs at least 40 more bushes +--- 57869663 +>>57861157 +ERA? More like ero am I right. +--- 57870096 +Can someone deliver ERA meme with mgs cardboard box? I need it for science +--- 57870147 +>>57861169 +T55 and T62 go to DPR and LPR militias. +Most likely to be used as static fortifications / mobile fire support. Exactly like how Ukraine will use Leo1. +--- 57870159 +>T-55s and Leopards +Fancy tanks and tech mean nothing in real war. America is going to fight WW3 with M1A1s and M16A2 +--- 57870284 +>>57868988 +>you haven’t eaten enough shit to judge its taste come back at least after one metric tonne +--- 57870292 +>>57861687 +Looks like a retarded elephant +--- 57870372 +So will Ukraine use these things correctly as gun platforms in combined arms operations? I don't like the idea of seeing videos of lone Leo 1s yoloing enemy positions because slavs can't help but slav. +--- 57870386 +>>57868988 +>>57868967 +>>57868918 + +you have to be at least 18 of age to post here +--- 57870429 +>>57870372 +>So will Ukraine use these things correctly as gun platforms in combined arms operations? +typically the best tanks will be used for mechanized units +since they will be spearheading the assault you want to concentrate as much power into a single point as possible +and units riding in IFVs will want to protect their best units + +2nd-rate tanks and older tanks are more likely to be distributed among infantry rather than concentrated simply because they just need a working gun and some armor +but it also makes sense to concentrate them into maneuver-capable forces even if they arent the main attacker because they can make local attacks that can nibble away at enemy defenses and elicit a reaction +if these weaker forces are able to make a breakthrough then you can then commit the good tanks to exploit this turn of events +its all about misdirecting the enemy of your intentions and creating pressure along the entire front line +--- 57870515 +>>57861147 (OP) +Not enough ERA. Luckily that can be easily fixed. +--- 57870554 +There won't be a fulda gap larp in Ukraine, as much as everyone wants to see it. +--- 57870811 +>>57870554 +It will rather be Desert Storm larp, I agree. +--- 57870880 +>>57868967 +>come back to me when you have at least 500 hours of utter pure ingame match time +Better advice would be to quit and never look back. The game is shit, unbalanced and only ever gets worse +t. Someone with ~10000 rb matches since 2014 +--- 57871055 +>>57868101 +Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8 +--- 57871064 +>>57868918 +>in no military conflict ever are you going to see dozens of of mixmatched battalions of tanks engaging in an open area. +if there's ever was or will be a war that fits this description, it's this one +--- 57871081 +>>57862063 +what am I looking at? +--- 57871453 +>>57867122 +BRENUS :DDDDDD +--- 57871534 +>>57871453 +:DDDDDDDDDD +--- 57871617 +>>57870372 +Most video clips show a complete lack of combined arms operations by both Ukraine and Russia. The accelerated training timeline for Ukrainian soldiers bodes poorly for this changing. I expect a successful but also haphazard offensive with higher than necessary losses because the Ukrainians won't have the cohesion or understanding to employ their assets well. +--- 57871669 +>>57864573 +Based +--- 57871848 +>>57864303 +>8 bit camo + +So fucking cool. +--- 57872202 +>>57862712 +that's a weird fleshlight +--- 57872348 +>>57870386 +>he thinks anyone but manchildren play war thunder +delusional faggot +--- 57872463 +>>57870147 +Negro the militias are just russian troops now, both because of the referendum and because their forces were all destroyed multiple times over so now they're just Russian reservists transferred to them. +--- 57872520 +>>57868326 +ERA didn't trigger + +also we don't actually know if there was a penetration. +--- 57872529 +>>57872463 +>MFW I remember the Murz post last year where he complained that the LPR was so depleted of manpower that some of the recent mobilized still had the steel rods in their limbs from the injuries sustained in the previous mobilization wave +--- 57872617 +>>57861147 (OP) +the flashing light on top seems like a bad idea +--- 57872818 +>>57872520 +>shot 2023.04.16 20.32.46.jpg +lol, did they fix it? diff --git a/k/57861708.txt b/k/57861708.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0fa8065c65ef21c74dc0509f870248ecd1a982ed --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57861708.txt @@ -0,0 +1,143 @@ +----- +--- 57861708 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYy8DDGJPwo [Embed] + +Explain yourself, glockfags. +--- 57863085 +>>57861708 (OP) +Three seconds into the video and i see a Jew Boomer. Discarded. +Glock is at both ends of the bell curve +--- 57863146 +>>57863085 +>Three seconds into the video and i see a Jew Boomer. Discarded. +same +--- 57863232 +>>57861708 (OP) +only thing I would agree with is slide release +--- 57863376 +>>57863085 +Glock is the ultimate mid gun, midwit +--- 57864136 +>>57861708 (OP) +Glocks are indeed pieces of shit and even budget stiff police departments are realizing what a POS it is due to all the recorded incidents of it failing. Every agency with deep pockets, the first thing they do is drop the Glock. Beverly Hills PD is one of the highest paying agencies in the country, FN509. LAPD next door, also has an ok budget, FN509. Irvine PD, various other rich agencies around OC, M&P9. That's just in my locality that I know of. The Glock is only for broke ass agencies, it's the bottom of the barrel of acceptable sidearm you can get, and it's pretty obvious to see when you look at it objectively. It's sad to see so many other companies copying the cheapest possible POS on the market, but you retards actually started LIKING skimped slide releases, plastic triggers, plastic sights, no safeties, atrocious grip angles, etc. Of course this is just due to fanboyism, you like the brand because you bought into the notion that police departments actually pick them. They pick the one that best fits their budget and Glock being the Walmart of guns can always undercut the competition. +--- 57864164 +>>57864136 +Oh did I forget plastic mags? You retards won't even buy some guns because "it doesn't take Glock mags!" Like you want it to take the worst pistol mags on the market... I would consider it a plus if a gun didn't take plastic wrapped cheap-o bullshit mags. That's another standard that Glock fanboyism ruined, mags are supposed to be steel through and through. +--- 57864182 +>>57863085 +heh +glock is german for bell! +we are having so much fun +--- 57864186 +Glocks are fine. They're ok and the fanboyism that appears hear is so uncalled for. It's honestly schizophrenic and sad. +--- 57864921 +>>57864136 +>Glocks are indeed pieces of shit and even budget stiff police departments are realizing what a POS it is due to all the recorded incidents of it failing +the only reason its popular in the first place is because glock charges the true manufacturer's cost (around $100-$150 each) to police departments, so civvies think it's "elite" or "professional" +--- 57865216 +>>57863085 +You're not on the end of any bell curve. The only graph that can adequately explain your choice in handgun is the one showing a sharp increase in your tap water's lead content. +--- 57865569 +>>57864921 +This makes zero fucking sense. The cars police use aren't considered elite cars, they're just piece of shit cars with minor speed modifications. Cops in Europe drive BMWs and shit, maybe we should look at what they carry if we want elite gear. +--- 57865619 +>>57865569 +Why else do you think AR-15s are popular? 90% of gun people are wannabes +--- 57865638 +>>57864136 +>glock bad +>these glock clones are good though +retarded word wall, dont post for 3 days +--- 57865733 +>>57864136 +Having owned a 509 I can say without a doubt its worse in every way than a Glock. Even the trigger manages to be worse. +--- 57865753 +>>57865569 +Most of them carry Glocks too though. As do every tier 1 spec ops unit in the western world and they have pretty much unlimited money for weapons procurement and can use unit funds for weapons not in the inventory of the rest of the military. +--- 57866320 +>>57865638 +They're not clones they're that manufacturer's version of a cheap handgun. They're improvements over the Glock though. + +>>57865733 +People who complain about triggers usually have no training. I don't like shooting guns with triggers you can't feel or that are meant to "surprise" you when the gun fires. I want to feel the trigger being pulled, I want to know where the wall is. I don't need a crutch to avoid flinching upon recoil because I've shot enough to not flinch from recoil. It helps me to know exactly when the round is going to fire. The FN handguns have a gritty feeling and that's the best trigger I've ever felt in regards to knowing when the shot will fire. I love their triggers but hate the shitty 2 piece fake safety thing. Glock triggers are actually my second favorite, most people would say they're "mushy" or "spongey" but again I want to feel the pull and know where the shot is going to fire. Glock sets the point where it fires too far forward though as a crutch to appease noobs. You should not be fucking surprised when your gun fires, and you shouldn't have a trigger so light and smooth you can't feel that you're pulling it. The reasons should be obvious, but professional vs keyboard warrior. +--- 57866492 +>>57865733 +My buddy runs a small gun store, and I have yet to shoot a FN that I've been impressed with. I want to like them, I just don't. +--- 57866657 +>>57866492 +The American made FN stuff is just cheap glock clones. Don't prepare to be impressed, prepare to not spend a lot of money. I got my FNS for $450 when Glocks were $650, not sure how much fhe 509 goes for but it should be comparably priced. Now look at how cheap the optic cut one's are compared to a Glock. They come with ambi mag releases, metal mag release buttons that press easily, and metal sights standard. People typically swap the plastic Glock sights immediately and don't like the feel or lack of response to their stock plastic mag release. It's a better Glock for less money, but it's still similar to a Glock so don't expect to be too impressed. I wish companies would go all out and make super impressive guns but that's not what the market is demanding, they're demanding more cheap shit with mallninja bells and whistles. +--- 57866723 +>>57866320 +>People who complain about triggers usually have no training +I baby duck imprinted on a two pound SA competition trigger by putting thousands of rounds through my grandfathers 1911. +Walther by far has the best out of the box striker trigger. No one else is even close. The Glock's break point is retarded up high like you say and it still manages to be mush city in the takeup. +--- 57867087 +>>57861708 (OP) +What's to explain? It's a relatively cheap handgun that in most conditions goes bang when fired and uhhh... Works? Idk bro, at the point where you're decking out a glock and availing yourself of the full might of the aftermarket, you're either like myself, and not privy to newer options that'll be better out of the box or you've got no right to complain because you're making the conscious choice to buy glock rather than buy something newer that's got what you want. + +Where I live Glock is one of the only (and most available) options that can be had with aftermarket support for red dot slides. +--- 57868205 +>>57863085 +It works on brand recognition and market effects alone. +--- 57868241 +>>57864136 +>be any western military specops unit with infinite choice, time and money +>always ends up with glocks +Really makes you think. +--- 57868270 +>>57861708 (OP) +it’s no CarniK Con, but I got a laugh out of it +thanks op you fucking shill +--- 57868398 +>>57868241 +It's literally fanboyism, it runs deep. Those guys aren't smart either. You call cops dumb all the time but don't realize soldiers are literal retards? +--- 57868420 +>>57861708 (OP) +>fat +>likes anime +>owns a flecktarn shirt +>looks like a gremlin in the only range footage of his I’ve seen so far +this man is clearly one of us +--- 57869683 +>>57868205 +kek this but unironically +--- 57869710 +Just get a sig p320 or something if you want something reliable +--- 57869808 +>>57865569 +It doesn't make sense if you spend just a couple minutes thinking about it, but unfortunately a lot of gun buyers can't do that. Just as >>57865619 said about ARs, this is the reason why the handgun market swung so far towards striker-fired in the last 10 years. Striker-fired guns with no manual safety are easiest for training thousands of different people of varying skill levels and intelligence, so military and police agencies buy them. As a result, average Joes now think polymer striker-fired guns are the elite choice and make up shit about how manual safeties will get you killed and how DA/SA is too hard to learn. And just as Glock is bought because of its military and police presence, so is the P320. Before Sig got the army contract, nobody really gave a shit about the P320, but after everyone wanted one. +--- 57869818 +>>57868420 +peak oldfag aesthetic +--- 57869909 +>>57869818 +Holy shit, I knew I recognized this guy. I watched his Walther videos about 12 years ago. Cool to see he's still doing videos. +--- 57870649 +>>57861708 (OP) +>700 views +Don’t shill your channel here you fat faggot with bitch tits +--- 57870741 +>>57861708 (OP) +Glocks are in the sort of akward position where they get worse the more you know aboug guns. + +Its perfect for entry level or duty carry, since there's no safety a retard can fuck up, it'll run perfectly fine for 1000s of rounds with no modifications, its lightweight, easy to carry, cheap etc. +But the more someone knows about guns and the more they train, the less adequate the Glock will feel, due to trigger issues, not being able to carry decocked/no second strike ability etc. +--- 57871788 +>>57868241 +Thats because militaries around the world aren’t really as well funded as the USA’s by a mile. Sidearms barely matter and are mostly given to officers, the kind of people who will use it more as a hammer than a weapon. +>but American SF use it +They have openly admitted to picking the lightest possible option of sidearm when arming themselves. They almost never use handguns so might as well go with the lightest piece of kit possible, which is a positive aspect of glocks that I almost never hear fanboys ever speak of. +--- 57871790 +>>57868398 +>"I'm the *real* warfighter," he said from Wish.com gaming chair in his basement +--- 57871799 +>>57871788 +>they have openly admitted +Then surely you can provide the interview or training video where this was said. +--- 57872182 +>>57871799 +>interview or training video +Yeah man let me just pull up a special forces briefing because I didn’t just say that it had nothing to do with command making decisions for them. +--- 57872733 +>>57872182 +So then it wasn't openly admitted and you're just talking out your ass. diff --git a/k/57861718.txt b/k/57861718.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f6df3709bc52bd1fcaf6692a33dc35edf438944d --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57861718.txt @@ -0,0 +1,625 @@ +----- +--- 57861718 +Are shotguns better than rifles for home defense? +--- 57861735 +>>57861718 (OP) +No. +--- 57861748 +>>57861718 (OP) +I fucking love my shotguns. Rifles are neat and fun and have a skill of their own but shotguns are just fucking neat. I love them. They're just so satisfying. Pumps. Semis. Doubles. Singles. Bolts. They're just fucking fun fuck I love these fucking fuckers +--- 57861755 +>>57861718 (OP) +Yes +--- 57861760 +>>57861735 +absolutely btfo by dubs>>57861755 +Rifle sisters..... it's over +--- 57861762 +>>57861718 (OP) +They're about even until you get 5+ guys willing to trade all of their lives to kill you (lol). +--- 57861764 +>>57861718 (OP) +Wouldn’t want anything smaller than a punt gun desu +--- 57861775 +>>57861762 +What if you have 5+ guys willing to trade their lives to make love to you? +--- 57861792 +It depends. I don’t recommend manual actions of any kind for home defense, because in a moment of stress, short stroking your pump (or forgetting altogether) can be a very real problem. Problem is, good autoloading shotguns are pricey, whereas decent ARs are on the cheap. You can also get rifles in much smaller packages, and the recoil is going to be more manageable. + +The appeal of a 12 ga. is that it’s pretty much a one-shot-stop. #1 and #4 buck will offer the desired “stopping power” without risking the over-penetration of 00. + +The argument of capacity can be offset by 12 ga. lethality vs .223/5.56, just like .357 vs 9mm. It’s going to come down to how well you handle recoil, and how much you trust your ability to hit the target. +--- 57861801 +>>57861775 +Still even as you won't need or want a gun in that situation +--- 57861803 +>>57861718 (OP) +Depends on what you're comfortable with. I use a 10.3 DD m18 as my bedside gun while my dad uses a 12 Guage 18" Maverick 88 with 00 buck. A friend of mine uses a 9mm he caries daily. +It's truly all dependent on what you train and feel comfortable with. +I specifically use my 10.3 with 55gr IMI because I like having 30 rounds and I also live in a house with multiple people and neighborhood. +That's me though but a 12 gauge with 00 buck is all you'll ever need lol anyone who says it's over kill is retarded. +--- 57861805 +>>57861801 +Gunplay is sexy +--- 57861942 +Nah, a short barreled AR with barrier blind loads is probably the best you can get. I still use a 1301 because my state is ran by island homos. +--- 57862090 +>>57861718 (OP) +Yeah, rifles can't shoot dragon's breath. +--- 57862156 +>>57861718 (OP) +I want that model so bad +--- 57862458 +>>57861762 +This guy is living in a Rust server hahahaha +--- 57862722 +OP you should test out each in a home defense situation and see what you like best. Can't go wrong with either. +--- 57863102 +>>57861718 (OP) +The largest hone invasion I've ever even heard of involved five men and was fought off with a revolver. +Typically you're dealing with two armed men plus maybe a driver. +Typically a fight involving a shotgun is resolved in the first two shots. +Riflefags and carbinefags tend to downplay this fact but the injuries a load of #00 buckshot produce are pretty substantial and if you have drilled with your weapon, the slide action is very fast. +I've never once short-stroked while shooting and adrenaline doesn't make you suddenly pull back softer. +Could you be the victim of an infantry squad invading your home? +Maybe? +But the moment a guy sees his homie's head explode, is usually the moment he rethinks his life. +And no, the sound of a shotgun racking will not make them crap themselves with fear and flee, if you pump it, you'll probably shoot it, so you'd better be serious about it. +--- 57863147 +>>57861762 +Don’t start a gang war and that won’t happen retard +--- 57863253 +>>57863147 +What's the tactical advantage of starting a gang war on your turf to get ballistics test data? Asking for a friend. +--- 57863564 +>>57861718 (OP) +Hi /k/, I need some advice about buying a SxS. + +I heard that Stoger guns are built in Turkey and that makes me question their build quality. + +Is it a good idea to grab one of their SxS models, or grab a cheap used European SxS (Simson, Brno, FEG, Husqvarna ) instead or is that also a fast way to piss away my cash +--- 57863633 +>>57861718 (OP) +Neither, something's wrong with you if you think murdering someone over a $200 TV is acceptable. You have so many other options that don't involve loss of human life. +--- 57863735 +>>57861718 (OP) +Yes +>>57861735 +Idiot +--- 57863764 +>>57863633 +I would absolutely kill to defend my territory, property and possessions and loved ones. My home is not your fucking niggerjunkietresspass safe space. +--- 57863773 +>>57863764 +Cool murder fantasy, bro +--- 57863877 +>>57861718 (OP) +Overpenetration and liberal DAs make shotguns better choices but who knows. Live the life that makes sense for YOU ya fuckin ass. +--- 57863892 +>>57863633 +Murder is a charge for a crime, home and personal defense does not garner such a title. Go be a pussy somewhere else. +--- 57863942 +>>57863773 +Not him, but I hope that one day, niggers, spics, and white trash continually break into your home and disrespect you in front of your family. To the point that you're left with zero belongings and basically more poor than them. Don't you see nigger? It's not about the $200, it's that if every thief or would be rapist/murderer got the rope, it would incentivize them to work instead. Your slap on the wrist approach is what has turned cities into what they are today. +--- 57863944 +>>57863633 +Idiot assumes that someone breaking in is trying to steal his cheap TV. You will end up dead sooner than later and no one will be sad. +--- 57864026 +>>57861718 (OP) +Shotguns for home defense make sense if even one of the following is true. + +>Cuck state (woke DAs or gimped rifles) +>You train and are comfortable with shotguns (such as three gun competitions) since shotguns require more fine motor skills +>It's all you can legally buy (cuck nation) +>Over penetration is a massive concern (you can use #4 buck instead of 00) +>You want a gun that will turn a man's head into an exploded watermelon or nearly remove a limb +>Higher one shot stop potential + +My AR is in it's safe for "SHTF" fantasies, but my Benelli M4 is my beside gun for negroes, beans, and trailer trash. +--- 57864069 +>>57862458 +When I play Rust, the Benelli M4 is the best gun to fight off a raid when they're inside your base or right outside your door. Even in video games, semi auto shotguns still confirmed CQB kangz +--- 57864090 +>>57863944 +Statistics overwhelmingly agree that yes, vast majority of break-ins are mere burglaries. You have a 2% chance of your home getting burglared annually on average, and only 7% of that 2% result in criminal violence. +Even when factoring in these astronomically low odds, you can opt for home security systems, dogs, deadbolts, alarms, broken glass on your rooftops, etc. BEFORE you think about splattering blood all over your carpet. But retards ITT of course want to look tough fantasizing about murdering someone over property. +--- 57864132 +When I was a cop (I quit because its gay) I saw several people shot with 12 gauge shotguns and not a one lived to tell the tale. That said I keep a cheap Taurus 9mm with a lught on my nightstand because its easier to hop out and go check the yard or driveway with that inconspicuously than my 870. If I knew for sure somebody was kicking in my door I'd grab the 870 though +--- 57864156 +>>57861718 (OP) +nope +the advantage of shotguns is just an availability one. In cucked places it is usually easier to get a shotgun than a centerfire rifle. People who hunt often own shotguns or did so in the past because versatile. They are cheap. In theory it looks better in a court that you shot someone twice with "pawpaw's huntin gun" than 16 times with a pistol or rifle. +--- 57864210 +I'd rather have a full auto sub gun but absent that a Shotgun is king for one shot drops. +--- 57864241 +>>57861718 (OP) +Sadly, no. + +Rifles have better range, accuracy, rate of fire, larger capacity, faster reloads, and simular power with less recoil compared to shotguns. + +There is a reason why President Biden wants to ban modern sporting rifles and then tells people to get a shotgun instead. The government isnt afraid of people with shotguns. + +I really like shotguns and think they are svelte, but shotguns are just too useless to be anything more than a sporting good. Even cops have been dumping shotguns for AR15s ever since they got mogged in North Hollywood. +--- 57864244 +>>57863102 +There was a home invasion in Torcongo recently with 6 intruders, homeowner killed 1 and the rest ran away. Idk for sure but I think shotgun. +(Owner is being charged ofc because that's Canada). +--- 57864248 +>>57861718 (OP) +Pound-for-pound, yes. Meaning; the effort, training and money invested in shotguns protects a home more effectively than a rifle. Only a dedicated assault warrants the use of a rifle. If you do, using solely a rifle isnt enough for 99.9% of cases. +--- 57864250 +>>57861718 (OP) +Only if you can get an automatic one. +--- 57864256 +>>57864090 +This is what liberals actually believe. Lol. Fucking retards. +--- 57864258 +>>57863633 +The life of a burglar trying to steal a $200 TV from me is worth less than $200 though. +It's worth negative $200 in fact if you do the math. +--- 57864264 +>>57861762 +This. + +https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/04/terrifying-video-shows-connecticut-man-heroically-trying-to-fight-off-four-violent-thugs-in-attempted-carjacking/ +--- 57864289 +>>57864241 +Rifles are forbidden in many areas of the world because a militia armed with rifles requires magnitudes of investment from the govt to fight off. The reason why full auto requires part switching is to prevent NPC civilians from putting in danger cities and urban areas; the holy grail of globohomo. They can afford to lose rural areas, because its simply a matter of purchasing food for a steeper price for the elite from importation (militias cannot stop entire coastal areas at once; at maximum put pressure on infrastructure). + +A civilian with a full auto 9mm is much more dangerous than one with a semi-auto rifle; the conversion statistics wont be favourable when SHTF. +--- 57864292 +>>57864241 +Shotguns lack capability vs body armor and cars, which is why the govt likes them more. They work great for popping street criminals breaking into your house. Its a false sense of security though, could also just aim for the hips and upper legs of any armored...street criminals if you had to. +--- 57864332 +>>57864292 +Shotguns are great in CQB but lack the potential for damage in >100 yards. A militia with shotguns only needs to be fought in a favourable terrain; with rifles, its a different beast. In urban scenarios, even with body armor accounted, FA will always put the LEO on the defensive. +--- 57864388 +>>57864090 +Tell all these cute statistics and options to the home invader. People like you are why crime flourishes. Its never their fault. You are pathetic. + +How about this for statistics, if you never break into a house you have a 0.0% chance of being shot breaking into a house. +--- 57864391 +>>57863633 +It's not me who decided that murdering someone over a $200 TV is acceptable, it's the invader who decided a $200 TV was an acceptable thing to gamble his life with. +--- 57864413 +>>57864090 +it'd be 0% if people shot everyone that broke in +--- 57864449 +>>57864332 +Obviously? This thread is about home defense not militia shit +--- 57864472 +>>57861792 +>I don’t recommend manual actions of any kind for home defense, because in a moment of stress, short stroking your pump (or forgetting altogether) can be a very real problem. +Worse yet, if you pump a shotgun at a weird angle (like on its side because you fell or were knocked down) the shell can often just fall off the lifter and out the ejection port. Pump shotguns need good technique and ideal operating conditions to be effective. + +>>57863102 +>>57864244 +My favorite home defense story is the guy in 2019 who used an AK47 to fight off 5 home invaders. He killed 3 of them. + +https://policetribune.com/texas-homeowner-with-ak-47-fatally-shoots-3-armed-robbers-injures-2-more/ + +Dont mess with that .30 cal. +--- 57864479 +>>57864472 +based nog destroyer +--- 57864493 +>>57864388 +>>57864413 +It'd also be 0% if you took simple, preventive measures beforehand that didn't immediately escalate to disproportionate violent response. Only psychopaths think like this +--- 57864500 +>>57864493 +>It'd also be 0% if you took simple, preventive measures beforehand that didn't immediately escalate to disproportionate violent response. Only psychopaths think like this + +When you enter a man's home and safe haven, you are asking for everything coming to you. I don't give a shit what you think. Fuck around and find out. Nigger. +--- 57864509 +if shotguns are so good for room to room shooting how come all the doorkicker death squads only use them on doorknobs? shotguns being good for hd is just ancient fuddlore from the times when your average fudd's options were down to a shotgun, a model 700 in 7 rem mag, and some shitty revolver in .32 h&r. now that you can buy an ar for $500 there's no reason to keep perpetuating the meme other than cope because you fell for it. +--- 57864523 +>>57864493 +Literally don't burglar. Just don't steal. It's that fucking easy. Why is this so hard to understand? +--- 57864542 +Every burglar should have a shotgun barrel shoved up his asshole before the trigger is pulled. +--- 57864551 +>>57864493 +>It'd also be 0% if you took simple, preventive measures beforehand that didn't immediately escalate to disproportionate violent response. Only psychopaths think like this +--- 57864553 +>>57864493 +ok I'll lock my doors. +Still mag dumping you if you try to break in though. +--- 57864555 +>>57864500 +Again, thanks for proving my point that you're only interested in having your sick little murder fantasy play out +>>57864523 +Who said or implied anything about disagreeing with burglaring? +--- 57864586 +>>57864509 +>if shotguns are so good for room to room shooting how come all the doorkicker death squads only use them on doorknobs? +I should have stopped reading right there; nothing intelligent could have followed that. +I've actually been in a stack, and the guy with the shotgun will continue to use it through the entire building clearance, since we're usually in a hurry and nobody is going to stop to switch primary arms. +>shotguns being good for hd is just ancient fuddlore from the times when your average fudd's options were down to a shotgun, a model 700 in 7 rem mag, and some shitty revolver in .32 h&r. +Back when full auto machine guns were less expensive and even California allowed 30 round mags? +> now that you can buy an ar for $500 there's no reason to keep perpetuating the meme other than cope because you fell for it. +You fell for the caprbinefag lore. +Not our fault you blew several paychecks on a rifle you barely use and a metric tin of attachments, instead of a Mossberg 500, a flashlight and a thousand cans of 12 gauge. +Shotguns are fine. +--- 57864593 +>>57861718 (OP) +Yes, 2 3/4" #1 buck baby +--- 57864678 +>>57864586 +>I've actually been in a stack, and the guy with the shotgun will continue to use it through the entire building clearance, since we're usually in a hurry and nobody is going to stop to switch primary arms. + +Yes, but he is the only guy in the group using a shotgun as his primary and he only keeps using it for the very reason that you yourself point out. You know full well that guy would switch to his M4 after breaching the door if he could. Way to own yourself bro. +--- 57864695 +>>57861718 (OP) +>Better +No +>Still perfectly good +Yes +/k/ suffers from terminal larparator brain rot and can't see guns outside of any context other than shtf, which is why shotguns get so shat on around here because yeah, shotguns kinda suck in a full on warzone, HD against your garden variety nog is a much different scenario though and the weakness of a shotgun become basically meaningless when you look at the facts and statistics of basically every home invasion ever. +--- 57864736 +Are those hollowpoint slugs a meme or do they actually cause hideous/hilarious overkill worth it? +--- 57864757 +I only reach for it because I want to see what happens +--- 57864767 +>>57863253 +Kek’d +--- 57864791 +>>57863633 +"Dear Frederick, thank you for your nice post, but I am actually a man with functioning testicles whereas clearly you have mistaken me for some sort of wine-sipping Communist dick-suck. And although peace probably appeals to tree-loving bisexuals like you and your parents, I happen to be a death-dealing, blood-crazed warrior who wakes up every day just hoping for the chance to dismember my enemies and shoot someone over a $200 dollar tv." +--- 57865002 +>>57863633 +Yes, the perfectly reasonable home invader will professionally remove just your television from the wall, tip his hat, and totally won't stomp your brains in on the way out. +--- 57865193 +>>57865002 +Why do you immediately assume that they're there to kill you instead of the far more likelier scenario that they'll immediately fuck off once you make your presence known? Do you do this sort of unreasonable threat assessment with randos you see on the street every day? +--- 57865197 +>>57865193 +>leftypol nigger constantly monitoring the thread for (you)'s +lol +--- 57865311 +>>57865197 +>no argument +Concession accepted +--- 57865328 +>>57865193 +He's willing to break into someones home to steal shit, he's desperate and low-IQ, a very dangerous combination you don't want to take any chances with. +--- 57865350 +>57865311 +nta, not getting another (you) faggot +--- 57865396 +>>57864586 +ok so you admit that everyone else has rifles because they're more effective and the only reason the one guy who use the shotgun on the door keeps using it is because it's not worth trying to swap. how many doors do you have to breech when you're defending your own house? + +there was that one story about how audie murphy asked a guy if he had a gun to protect his family from nigger riots and when the guy said no he gave him a m1 carbine. how come it wasn't a shotgun? +--- 57865468 +>>57861942 +>island homos +Kek +--- 57865487 +>57865193 +Someone in your home uninvited is a completely different scenario than someone on the street you braindead retard and it's unreasonable to consider them anything other than a threat +--- 57865570 +>>57865193 +>the far more likelier scenario that they'll immediately fuck off once you make your presence known? +Not if I perform a citizen's arrest. One less criminal on the street is always a win. +--- 57865836 +>>57863877 +>>57864026 +>>57864132 +>>57864593 +300 blk with frangible ammunition should be your go-to for HD. +>low risk of over-penetration +>heckin nasty wounds +>short barrel for corners +>common manual of arms +>high capacity +>lower recoil for faster follow up shots +Fuck the DA +--- 57867227 +If you're at rural or Rooftop Korean ranges, rifle. If they're making entry or inside the house, shotgun. +If you're out walking, or asleep in bed, or in your car, the pistol is more convenient. +This isn't rocket science ffs. +--- 57867281 +My family has a shotgun but quite frankly, what is my home's greatest defense is also its greatest danger: that our next door neighbor is a drug dealer that somehow is not in prison despite the fact that it's pretty well-known that he's killed people before. So if shit is started on our street, odds are he's going to think they've come for him and he's going to murder everyone he doesn't recognize. So you know, here's hoping his aim is good. +--- 57867404 +>>57861718 (OP) +Why would I want something that has a similar form factor to a rifle yet +>holds significantly less ammo +>is significantly harder to reload +>has considerably more recoil +>is much less effective against any potential body armor a threat could be wearing +Better than nothing, but under pretty much no circumstances would I ever consider a shotgun over my rifle. +--- 57867435 +>>57867281 +>that our next door neighbor is a drug dealer that somehow is not in prison despite the fact that it's pretty well-known that he's killed people before. +How is he as a neighbor though? An ex con lived next door to me with his family and he was the greatest neighbor ever, helped solve problems on the street and also beat the shit out of guys who were breaking into cars twice in 5 years. He also did some illegal shit but we didn't care about that. +--- 57867444 +>>57867435 +He's a nice guy, I often see him playing with his dog in the backyard, but I wouldn't ever fuck with him. +--- 57867471 +>>57867444 +Oh and also my mom always talks with his wife when they see each other out front so there's that going for us. +--- 57867491 +>>57861748 +Fuck yeah boi +--- 57867538 +>>57863564 +Turkish guns cn be fine, especially if they are being built in Turkey under a different brand, like Stoeger and winchester do. Its the random Turkshit companies mass producing gimmicky shotguns you need to steer clear of. +Euro SxS's are fine and can be dirt cheap. Mine doesn't even have a brand on it, just says 'Belgium'. It's a solid gun still though. +--- 57867558 +>>57861718 (OP) +I'd make the choice based on you home situation, in a house with children and/gas stoves i'd pass on the rifles risk of overpen. +--- 57867587 +>>57867404 +You much be from a very rich city if the tweakers wear kevlar. +--- 57867788 +>>57864479 +>The dead were identified as Randy Torres, 18, Jonathan Flores, 24, and Joseph Montoya, 20 +Also holy fuck here's a /k/ thing I never really considered before - imagine killing armed retards invading your house then having to spend the indeterminate future dealing with their moms and sisters crying outside your house and calling you a murderer +--- 57867849 +>>57867587 +you must be pretty naiive if you're worried about tweakers and not fema death squads +--- 57867864 +>>57867849 +>IM GUNNA KILL DUH GUBBMINT AGENTS! +No you won't. +--- 57867906 +>>57867404 +You forgot the most important aspect which is the ability to introduce a malfunction by short stroking that isn't possible with a semi auto rifle, which is particularly applicable for the average retard's home defense gun since they're not gonna go practice but instead just let it sit under the bed for years. +--- 57867909 +>>57864090 +Absolutely retarded take. Please tell us you don't have the right to vote, drive or own firearms. +--- 57868069 +>>57861762 +My shotty holds 8+1 though +--- 57868595 +>>57863735 +>idiot +And yet you can't explain why. +--- 57868647 +>>57861718 (OP) +>Are shotguns better than rifles for home defense? +I prefer my Roomba and my Mossberg +--- 57868870 +>>57864678 +Knowing Jackson, he wouldn't have wanted to switch; he fucking loved that shotgun. +>>57865396 +Because the needs of the military are VASTLY different from those a man defending his home. +>there was that one story about how audie murphy asked... +Without knowing more of the background it remains a story +For all we know, Murphy just had the .30 Carbine laying around and gave it as a gift, instead of going to the trouble to purchase a new weapon. +When my dad learned that I didn't have a gun, he gave me a Mosin-Nagant 91/30. +Not really the best HD option. +--- 57868933 +>>57867906 +As opposed to the ability to induce a failure to feed because the guy hasn't changed is mag out in six months and the feed lips are now slightly deformed? +Because let's be honest: Joe Average isn't hitting up the range, no matter what gun he bought. +--- 57868998 +>>57864090 +>Slimy euro-serf hands wrote this. +Sorry son, but around these parts we have rules: +>Talk shit get hit. +>Fuck around and find out. +>Stay strapped or get clapped. +Somebody's comes uninvited into my house where my wife and daughter live, I don't know his intentions. +He was dead the second he stepped inside, what follows is just a formality. +Not a "fantasy", just the way things are done. +--- 57869100 +no. ideal gun for home defense is a suppressed rifle firing subsonic ammo for the simple reason that it won't blow your ears out but still very effectively delivers a lot of hurt to the target. +--- 57869588 +>>57861718 (OP) +Ya +--- 57869790 +I like the idea of a progressively loaded shotgun. + +Something like the Benelli M3 that is semi-auto but also can be manually pumped which I think it's beneficial for home defense since the sound of a pump action actuating can be enough of a deterrent during a home invasion/robbery scenario. So with a 5+1 capacity you can load bird shot, bird shot, buck shot, buck shot, slug, slug, slug. +Even if you do "waste" your first shot with a manual pump to scare them off, you're only wasting bird shot (your detterent load) not the buckshot or slugs loaded later. + +If you want to forego the ability to scare someone away with the noise of the pump, then upgrade to the M4 or 1301 which both can come with 7+1 magazines which would allow even deeper magazine depth (for more deterrent shots, or more lethal shots depending how you want to load). +--- 57869938 +>>57864493 +>It'd also be 0% if you took simple, preventive measures beforehand that didn't immediately escalate to disproportionate violent response. +I consider shrapnel mines to be an appropriate level of violence for someone who wants to break into my home, but we haven't reached a level of society where shit like that is legal again. I know you're trawling for (You)'s, but there are people who legitimately believe it's better to part with personal possessions than defend their home. My question is, when does it stop? At what point is defending your home with potentially lethal force considered justifiable? Do they have to brandish a weapon? Do they have to kick down my door and loudly exclaim that they're here to rape my TV, eat my wife, and steal the apples from my fridge? + +There is no way to reach people who think like you with logic or appeals to emotion, because you are illogical and devoid of real emotions. +--- 57870121 +Both are fine if you have a normal house. If you have really long interior shots, though, a rifle is better. +I only have a rifle because realistic interior shots in my house are over 30 yards, I shit you not. When I lived in an apartment I kept a glock in the night stand because that was appropriate. +--- 57870134 +>>57870121 +>I only have a rifle because realistic interior shots in my house are over 30 yards +Lmao, no the fuck it's not. + +What sort of delusional world do you live in? + +Even the largest mansion in the united states would have a HANDFUL of locations where you could make 30 yard shots INSIDE the fucking house. +--- 57870200 +>>57864090 +>You have a 2% chance of your home getting burglared annually on average, and only 7% of that 2% result in criminal violence. + +>82 million homes in the USA +>2% or 1640000 homes burglared annually +>7% or 114800 of those 1640000 burglaries, result in criminal violence + +This isn't the argument you probably wanted it to be. +--- 57870229 +>>57869790 +Just load it all with birdshot. At indoor distances (<5m) it will kill the intruder just as well, and you don't have to autistically count what "stage" of your magazine you are on. +--- 57870230 +>>57870121 +>I only have a rifle because realistic interior shots in my house are over 30 yards +Post your castle my liege +--- 57870258 +>>57870229 +You wouldn't count, you'd simply know the deeper you go the more lethal you get. + +Also, bird shot is not fucking lethal at close up, even with a shot to the head bird shot wont assure a kill. You CAN get lethal shots, but you sure as fuck shouldn't EXPECT them. +--- 57870287 +>>57870134 +30yds might be a bit much but there are a lot of houses in the US that are essentially just one long hallway with rooms attached. Especially older houses that have been remodeled at some point where they just add more hallway to expand. Very common in Florida. +I can only speak for the South but I've lived in two houses that you can see the front from the rear of the house, as well as through every doorway, kitchen and living room. Pretty close to 30yds at least. +Though I'm not sure I would want to take an engagement at that distance in a house as it would effectively be a CS:GO angle and it would be hard to ID the target. Sounds like a good way to accidentally shoot grandpa. +--- 57870318 +>>57870287 +30-40 feet maybe, but 90 fucking feet? No, you're simply mistaken. +--- 57870479 +>>57870258 +What the fuck are you smoking? At less than 5 meters birdshot is lethal. +--- 57870500 +>>57870479 +Again, it CAN be lethal. + +If you think birdshot is 100% lethal at less than 5 yards, I've got a bridge in London i'd love for you to purchase. +--- 57870509 +>>57864264 +this was sad to watch what were you even trying to prove? +--- 57870520 +>>57870500 +>hurr durr +Rifle isn't necessarily lethal at less than 5 yards either, but you didn't bother to make that correction, now did you? +--- 57870540 +>>57870520 +Because birdshot is DEMONSTARBLY not lethal at that range unless you get a headshot, and even then it's not assured lethal. + +A limb or body shot at 5 yards is almost certainly NOT lethal unless you got really lucky hitting something vital. + + +Also "rifle" is such a broad category I easily COULD make that argument. .17 HMR or .22LR certainly are NOT 100% lethal at 5 yards either, even with headshots. +--- 57870544 +>>57863633 +Shit nigga, I'd PAY $200 for the opportunity to blast a violent criminal with my 12 gauge and not go to jail. Why do you support those who prey on others? +--- 57870557 +>>57870540 +You are the dumbest person on /k/ right now. +--- 57870665 +>>57870557 +IDK, claiming birdshot is a lethal loading is pretty FUCKING retarded. +--- 57870669 +>>57870479 +Show gel test results +--- 57870853 +>>57870669 +https://youtu.be/zaR1EVybUgc [Embed] +https://youtu.be/Z16weqEQK0s [Embed] +>penetrates ribs +>penetrates 10-12 cm of ballistic gel +>not lethal + +>>57870665 +You are the dumbest motherfucker I've spoken to in ages. +--- 57871157 +>>57861718 (OP) +No. The 1-shot BTFOness of shotties is great but follow-up shots are more important and semis are more finnicky by design. + +>but hurr durr how can you miss a shot at 10 feet train harder bruh, muh cuck costa's art of the defensive boomstick, etc. +Shit happens nigger. Real life can be batshit insane so your best bet is shooting under batshit insane conditions. If you think you will never short stroke your mexiberg 88 try shooting in: + +>low light +>after your dominant arm has been in a tourniquet for 1 hour +>15-20 minutes after being maced +>out of breath enough that your diaphragm starts to spasm harder than kurt eichenwald playing Wipeout 2097 +>sleep deprived/hangover (but not drunk, that's an ND waiting to happen) +>borderline ODing on monster ultra + +And if you're a young buck and your body can take it, training when you're sick is unironically a good idea. Doesn't matter the affliction: goyvid-19, a bad case of the shits or bilateral pink eye, it's all good. Yes, you will shart yourself when going prone or have an ND (use birdshot for the love of God) and that's a GOOD THING. + +If all this sounds incomprehensibly LARPery to you, even tame shit like boomer action shooting and IPSC will provide some degree of stress inoculation. Fuck even shit completely unrelated to funz will do, whether it's playing with a band live or trying to pick up milfs at a tiki bar. + +tl;dr: stack up enough stressors and your body WILL fuck up. If you don't see your body fuck up you're not training hard enough. + +>>57867788 +That's something that pops up every now and then. Babymomma's trying to milk you dry in civil court (see Bernie Goetz) are a given but there's also the possibility of the thug's associates trying to avenge their homie (that jeweller in LA who had to fend off a whole gang worth's of attacks before finally moving out). +--- 57871186 +>>57864241 +>muh sporting rifle + +Anon, you don't have to pretend here. Autoloaders are tools of war. +--- 57871295 +>>57870853 +Now go through a heavy hoodie/jacket + t-shirt, or jeans. + +Also most people have a bit of fat to them which adds even more resistance before you can hit a vital area. + +Birdshot simply isn't a good lethal loading, even more so if the assailant is potentially on various stimulants or other drugs which could allow them to shrug off even many lethal wounds for a short period of time. +--- 57871420 +>>57865193 +Why do you value my property more than your life? +--- 57871422 +>>57871295 +None of the shit you mentioned will significantly reduce the impact of full on birdshot hit at less than 5 yards. Stop digging your own grave and just take the L and fuck off. + +Birdshot at less than 5 yards range is lethal, barring shit that isn't lethal for other guns either, like limb shots. +--- 57871448 +>>57871422 +It wont even penetrate ribs or your sternum, it MIGHT penetrate the skull depending on how close you are. + +Again, it CAN be lethal, but it's hardly assured, even at 5 yards. + +there are people who have eaten buckshot through the mouth and lived, let alone birdshot. +--- 57871585 +>>57871448 +>It wont even penetrate ribs or your sternum, it MIGHT penetrate the skull depending on how close you are. +I literally linked a video that showed birdshot penetrating ribs. + +>Again, it CAN be lethal, but it's hardly assured, even at 5 yards. +Just like every other gun and caliber ever created. + +>there are people who have eaten buckshot through the mouth and lived, let alone birdshot. +That isn't because birdshot is less lethal, but because they were retarded (like you) and weren't aiming at immediately lethal hit locations. You can shoot someone's jaw off with a 30-06 and not manage to kill them, and it doesn't mean it is somehow not lethal caliber. + +If I shoot you directly in the face from 5 yards with birdshot, you're dead. If I magdump you in the shins with an AR15 from 5 yards, you'll likely live if someone wheels you off to get medical attention. +--- 57871752 +>>57865836 +Nah, I'd rather not be a homosexual. Begone Satan. +--- 57871776 +>>57867788 +>What is best in life? +https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_XUu3_pLPUE [Embed] +--- 57871780 +>>57861718 (OP) +No, just by virtue of simplicity of arms. + +pull trigger, shoot badguy > pull trigger, pump, shoot badguy. +Simple as. +--- 57872022 +>>57861718 (OP) +/k/'s ability to do threat analysis is generally terrible and statistically-speaking most of the people posting on this board don't own a single gun and if they do, it's probably a single gun. As a bunch of degenerate weapons fetishists with autism we also tend to get emotionally invested in individual firearms choice to a degree that's frankly retarded. This is all to say: take opinions here with a grain of fucking salt. + +Most people talking about muh short-stroking don't have enough experience with one to speak on the topic. Most probably don't own a shotgun. Shortstroking is a skill issue, and you should be practicing with a gun you intend to trust your life with. I'm 33 years old and have been shooting since 1994 and have not short-stroked a shotgun since I was so small that I needed my father's help to hold up the gun. I have hunted and competed with shotguns and it's as valid a criticism as saying that you should not use a glock for home defense because limpwristing can cause stovepipes: the only appropriate response is "git gud" and move on. +Moreover, as someone who has used an AR platform rifle indoors in the dark professionally, if you're planning on making that shit your home defense tool (and again realistically the people most invested in this argument probably AT BEST own either a single AR or a single shotgun), get a can for it and plan on donning earpro before you shoot because that pressure impulse in a dark enclosed space is a motherfucker, particularly if you're not prepared for it and ESPECIALLY if you're not wearing earpro. Decibel reading charts are deceptive on this topic because of the significantly lower pressure of 12ga but it translates to a more comfortable experience, again, unless you're also planning on investing in a can (and I'd be shocked if this thread didnt consist almost entirely of PSA, Ruger, or M&P owners on one side and Maverick 88 owners on the other). +--- 57872126 +>>57872022 +Hit character limit but my last comment before seething retards come out of the woordworks to try and pick apart what I said there: + +Out of all my possible choices for HD, multiple ARs and AKs and 9mm pistols in various configurations for various uses, including the g19 I carry literally every day, my bedside weapon is a mossberg 590 because at the likely ranges I will fire a weapon in my house all of the pros of a shotgun apply and none of the cons are strong enough to make me choose a different weapon. I'm not particularly hung up on the threat of a team of determined attackers in body armor, and I guess if I ever find myself on the wrong end of a turf war or likely to get no-knocked by a swat team I might rethink that, but as it stands my most likely threat is a tweaker looking for precursor chemicals or copper. + +Bonus: any loading that will reliable kill a human being is going to go through more interior drywall than you have in your house (unless you're His Majesty up there claiming to have 30M lines of sight in his house lmao) so quibbling about overpen is also engaging in the wrong kind of autism on this topic. Pic related +--- 57872370 +>>57864791 +Based Generation Kill enjoyer +--- 57872536 +>>57870853 +>relying on shot I routinely find stick in birds I've shot at close range using a 28" barrel +No thanks. Birdshot is for shooting birds and that's it. +--- 57872687 +>>57872536 +>at close ranges +Define close range. +--- 57872892 +>>57872687 +BirdshotRetardAnon I personally grew up with a kid who while hunting accidentally shot his dad in the face from across a forest service road, maybe 25 feet distance plus some brush in the way, and his dad literally only had minor cosmetic damage he didn't even spend the night in the hospital. +--- 57872948 +>>57863102 +I've been told all you need is a double barrel shotgun that you shoot into the sky and the criminals will flee. +--- 57872958 +>>57872948 +Isn't it time for you to get some ice cream, Mr. President? +--- 57873317 +>>57872022 +>it's as valid a criticism as saying that you should not use a glock for home defense because limpwristing can cause stovepipes +kek that IS a valid criticism. If your nightstand handgun is not a metal-frame full-size you're retarded. +Is it a skill issue? Yes and no. But you're presuming your skills will be 100% there when you need them. What happens if your body can't cope with the adrenaline dump. What happens if you're hungover? What happens if them Alex Jones supplements got you acting goofy? What happens if your kid bonked you on the head with a softball bat earlier in the day and you're half-contused without realizing it? + +You want to give yourself the best chances to not fuck up and compact plastic-o-matics with shitty triggers don't provide that. + +>inb4 but muh training commonality or some other larperator BS diff --git a/k/57861832.txt b/k/57861832.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5eecd32deec5de3e26a5466fb1bb622a18191697 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57861832.txt @@ -0,0 +1,146 @@ +----- +--- 57861832 +Bullpup General /bpg/ + +Talk about bullpups, post pictures of bullpups, talk about how gay you think bullpups are and how you should just buy an AR15 +--- 57861899 +>>57861832 (OP) +When will we finally get a bullpup 357 mag semi auto carbine? +--- 57861947 +I need an Austrian barrel, I have every other part made in Austria but not a barrel. I was bidding on a 16” Austrian barrel but was busy the day the auction ended and missed out, and 20” Austrian barrels are rarely if ever for sale anywhere anymore. I’ve got US made barrels and an Australian barrel but I just want a proper Steyr manufactured and finished barrel. I’m on the verge of buying a current production 20” barrel but what’s holding me back is the thread pitch. I’d prefer chrome but don’t really care that the barrels are now nitride but I want an original tulip flash hider on the barrel, not an A3 style birdcage. I just want the original 20” barrel look but 1/2x28 original tulips don’t exist. +--- 57862327 +>>57861832 (OP) +Based. + +AUG is the best bullpup +--- 57862850 +>>57861832 (OP) +Bullpups are gay, get a real gun losers. +--- 57862919 +>>57862850 +I agree and the only saving grace for all bullpup going to be once again Murican made +--- 57862930 +>>57862919 +As a bullpup lover, this is vaporware and is going to fail. +--- 57862966 +>>57862850 +get a gun, nogunz +--- 57862977 +>>57862919 +I think you mean Aussie made +--- 57863127 +>>57862977 +Aussies are cucks and stopped plans for all civilian exports (regardless of country) because of a false flag mass shooting. They're going to eventually cave and buy LMT like New Zealand did or build licensed ARs down the road. +--- 57863160 +>>57863127 +We already bought Barret, so maybe we will buy more American gun companies, as you suggest. +>ARs down the road +Possibly, or more likely, the next Aussie bullpup but in 6.8 +--- 57863246 +>>57863160 +You had to buy Barrett because none of your companies make any money or have relevant numbers of civilian sales. +--- 57863607 +>>57863160 +I would coom if there was an AUG 2.0 in 6.8 + +Too bad Steyr is clinically retarded, and Australia is mad gay so we can’t have nice things +--- 57863617 +>>57863607 +*for civilian sale +--- 57863754 +>>57861947 +>Australian barrel +What? +--- 57866421 +>>57863160 +I'd buy a Barrett EF88, just saying +--- 57866433 +>>57862327 +>>57861947 +What the fuck is good about this autism +There simply isn't a single bullpup that is as reliable and modular as an AR15 +What is the claim to fame here, that it's le heckin epic CoD gun? +--- 57866450 +>Grabbing goyims jaws off the floor since 2003 baby +--- 57866470 +>>57866433 +1. it's arguably more modular than an AR since the modules come apart without the use of tools +2. it's more reliable than an AR based on Australian military testing and offers the same barrel length in a significantly shorter package +3. it looks cool, which is ultimately all that matters +--- 57866473 +>>57866450 +This is the older consoomer only version +picrel is a more accurate arab destroyer +--- 57866483 +>>57866470 +kek 3 is fair +Does 2 hold any water? Has anyone outside of Australia tested it? We already know how trusting the Australian government goes +--- 57866563 +>>57866483 +>Has anyone outside of Australia tested it? +The Austrians seem happy with theirs, and it occasionally pops up in use by various tribal rebels, etc. who'd have no reason to put up with its bullshit if it didn't work at least as well as an AK or M16 under the same conditions. +--- 57866598 +>>57866563 +Actually pretty based +Do I take the augpill bros? +--- 57866713 +>>57866598 +It has the longest and strongest track record of any bullpup you can reasonably buy and with some creativity and flexibility you can set it up for anything you'd reasonably use a 5.56 rifle for, and prices are as low now as they've ever been, with new guns regularly going for ~$16–1700 bucks. Why not? +--- 57866777 +>>57866473 +a rifle only an infantryman could love. so perfectly fucked up +--- 57866912 +>>57866598 +>>57866713 +We’re also living in a golden age of AUG aftermarket parts +--- 57867225 +>>57866483 +>We already know how trusting the Australian government goes +Yes, but when it comes to putting hardware through it's paces, Australian military procurement testing is one of the worlds harshest and excessive +--- 57867712 +>>57862966 +How you liking that m17 +--- 57869963 +>>57863754 +What about it? +>>57866433 +Who cares, luv me ARs but LUV me AUGs +--- 57870015 +>>57866473 +>>57866777 +It's honestly impressive how they designed it so that literally everything about it looks wrong and ugly. Most guns with questionable aesthetics are mostly right with a misstep here or there, but that thing looks like someone took multiple passes over the drawing board to make sure every design element that might be coherent or visually pleasing was deliberately removed. +--- 57870819 +>>57867712 +it shoots n stuff +--- 57871402 +>>57870015 +which is funny when you realize they supposedly designed the gun from the outside in with ergonomics at the forefront, yet it seems like every successive iteration to the Tavor makes it uglier and less wieldy +--- 57872593 +>>57871402 +they designed it to look cool and reality set in. not a joke. that's why they all have quadrails with the goofy rail covers that make the handguard pigfat +--- 57872636 +>>57872593 +It's a shame but that's the price you pay to stay modern +--- 57872691 +>>57872636 +vampire light and a microprism is all ya need. just BAC bro +--- 57873005 +>>57872691 +Yours get super hot at front? +--- 57873016 +>>57866713 +>AUG going for the price of a really good AR +>GAYTF trying to make braces illegal +You might have convinced me to switch teams, anon +Are build kits a thing? I hear that there's quite a bit of work needed to bring them on par with modern rifles so it'd be nice to just get it that way from the get go +--- 57873193 +Are we ever going to see any of the various modernized AUGs for sale in the US or should I just get one now? Im not in a huge rush but im also worried about them getting banned. +--- 57873260 +>>57873193 +How is the current A3M1 not modern enough? +--- 57873288 +>>57873260 +The EF88 has many modernizations and tweaks the AUG would benefit from. The AUG does still have some funky ergonomics quirks especially with modern optics, light, lam set up. It's still more than serviceable and certainly more modern than shit like AKs but Steyr could do better. They seem more keen on making an AR15 with the AUG gas/barrel system than updating the existing system. +--- 57873297 +>>57873260 +Because the nato version doesnt have a bolt release and the non nato version doesnt take all the magazines ive got. diff --git a/k/57861858.txt b/k/57861858.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..13bcc930f22dc21650edc7cfffec0742ee6304ed --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57861858.txt @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +----- +--- 57861858 +Hi i want a shitter gun for cheap that I can beat up and not give a fuck about. What's the best choices? How cheap can beat to shit berettas be had? +--- 57861871 +>>57861858 (OP) +You ever heard of a hi point? +--- 57861884 +>>57861858 (OP) +That bersa is pretty good. You get the double stack variant and you'd be set. Although idk where or how you'd get a holster for it. +--- 57862719 +>>57861858 (OP) +Jimenez Arms is pretty good shit, as in good at being shit +--- 57862800 +>>57861884 +Public service announcement. Be very gentle on the slide lock for those. I have now owned two of those and using the lock lever to drop the slide will wear the lock cut on the slide out very quickly...I don't think the slides are heat treated very well. You'll end up with a slide that will only lock open if an empty mags it. +--- 57862945 +one of these if youre cdn +--- 57864475 +>>57861858 (OP) +>that I can beat up and not give a fuck about +Any gun worth owning should be able to be beat to shit and work +If your glock cant hang or your 92fs you are babying these utterly average guns. +Stop treating non war relics are gold.....paint your guns fag +--- 57864570 +>>57861858 (OP) +I would get a cop surp gun in .40 as a beater, you're going to be paying the same price as shooting .380 but you get a better gun +--- 57864650 +>>57864570 +Good answer, conversion barrels for glocks 23-9mm are around $150 +--- 57866673 +>>57861858 (OP) +PSA Dagger on a daily deal +--- 57866711 +Tokarevs are the poor man's [INSERT 5.7 PISTOL] they'll go through armor +--- 57866740 +>>57861858 (OP) +The FMK 9C1 is a pretty cheap Glock clone. You can probably get one below $250 +--- 57866753 +https://lockedloaded.com/product/sar-usa-sar9st-sar9-double-9mm-luger-4.4-171-black-interchangeable-backstrap-grip-stainless-steel +https://gun.deals/product/sar-usa-b6c-9mm-compact-pistol-black-polymer-frame-31999 + +https://gun.deals/product/sar-usa-b6c-9mm-38-barrel-3-dot-sights-thumb-safety-od-green-13rd-31999-after-code-welcome20 +--- 57866770 +>>57864570 +This is a good choice. You can get a police trade in M&P in .40 for under $350, easily, and it'll come with 3 mags and night sights. It'll already have holster wear and has no real collector value so thrash it all you want. It can handle the abuse. +--- 57867075 +>>57861884 +The Thunder in 22lr is good, but buying it on 380 its a big mistake, they usually tend to break the slide with that caliber. If you want one that is bigger than 22lr then get the TPR in 9mm or 40, those even come with lifetime warranty. +--- 57867189 +MR73 +--- 57869314 +>>57861884 +Bersas crack frames and slides all the time with incredibly low round count. + +You want cheap but works? Get a taurus g3c or GX4, or a PSA dagger. You could try rolling the dice on a turkish handgun aswell. +--- 57869508 +Cheapest Berettas I can think of are the 1951s since no one wants them, but they're pretty neat despite being Eurojank as fuck. Despite looking like it was made with rocks mine is very smooth. +--- 57869573 +>>57861858 (OP) +>>57861884 +Bersas a great. I’ve had no issues with mine. Paying 299 for a pistol of this quality is basically unheard of. Also holsters are easy to find stfu. +--- 57869693 +>>57869314 +Show a cracked frame or slide of a bersa 380 plx +--- 57869700 +>>57867075 +380 cracked bs +--- 57869729 +Just get a Hi-Point +--- 57871279 +Psa daggers are really good. I don't really know what you'd get for more money. Its well built and just is what it is. You can save quite a lot by either buying the frame and slide separate, or getting a bundle with 10 mags. +--- 57871364 +>>57862945 +Didn't Trudeau make it illegal to buy or sell pistols in Canada? diff --git a/k/57862171.txt b/k/57862171.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9ddb1d265abb5ba430f0e5f87b146f3017cfba97 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57862171.txt @@ -0,0 +1,126 @@ +----- +--- 57862171 +I'm working on a video about the general history of the FAL, any cool anecdotes or things you think I should mention? Intro preview: +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE_OZB1iGLQ [Embed] +--- 57862200 +>>57862171 (OP) +Goes into the entrenched interests blocking its adoption in the US in favor of the M14 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mby4hOq-DpI [Embed] +--- 57862219 +>>57862200 +big time i wanted to talk about how we insisted on FAL using .308 then used a different inferior design + +thanks for the link boss +--- 57862891 +>>57862171 (OP) +bump +--- 57863046 +>>57862219 +They said they didnt want to use it because the modularity of the m14 was similar to the m1garand, when in reality it was because Rene Studler is a giant faggot and hates American civilians +--- 57863092 +>>57862171 (OP) +Fuck off Beto +--- 57863211 +>>57862171 (OP) +Audio sounds really quiet +--- 57863268 +>>57863211 +gotcha ill turn it up abit in the final cut appreciate it +--- 57863298 +After the Indian Army decided to adopt the FAL as their service rifle in the 1960's, they ran afoul of FN Herstal. FN demanded the payment of royalties and the institution of their own machinery and technicians in the manufacturing process. The Indians did not agree with this and instead began to design a weapon of their own using both the FAL and the L1A1 as references. The result, the Ishapore 1A, was a hybrid of metric- and inch-patterns, which renders its parts incompatible with other FAL variants. When FN found out, they got pissed and threatened to sue until then-PM Jawaharlal Nehru managed to placate the company by placing additional orders for Belgian-made FALs, FALOs and MAGs. +(According to my research, the aforementioned 1A is the original version. The 1C is a full-auto variant intended for port gunners while the 1A1 is a copy of the L1A1.) +--- 57863348 +>>57862171 (OP) +It's a cheap cobbled together turd compared to the G3 and everyone who's not a weak baby prefers the G3. +--- 57863353 +>>57863298 +sweet im definitely gonna screenshot this and reference it in the video, thanks Strelok +--- 57863370 +>>57863348 +you like G3s because a crate of them got shipped here in the 80s and your dad bought 2 of them. I've fired both the FAL is a mans rifle G3 is for brown people to shoot other brown people point blank in the head +--- 57863371 +>>57862171 (OP) +appreciate the hotline miami music in the back +you gotta put your voicelines through some rendering you sound lazy as fuck in there +the video itself seems cool, good luck. +--- 57863394 +>>57863353 +Be sure to post a link. +--- 57863400 +>>57863371 +bro i was high as fuck and bored at like 3am last night you're exactly right i'm gonna record those parts again, im gonna google voiceline rendering im simple +--- 57863865 +>>57862171 (OP) +Might as well post this here, an archive of FAL and FAL-related pictures: +https://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/FAL/ +--- 57863975 +>>57862171 (OP) +Perhaps not super important information but potentially cool would be talking about the more modern FALs like Ireland's FAL DMR or the various attempts to make 5.56 models +--- 57864811 +>>57863370 + +>Bong teeth drooled over this typed fantasy cope. +--- 57865413 +>>57863865 +Why is there a radiation symbol on that scope? +--- 57865436 +>>57865413 +tritium i guess. +--- 57865508 +it's well known but make sure to mention that the guy who designed it is the same one that finished browning's hi power. +--- 57865785 +>>57862171 (OP) +It's a knockoff SVT40 +--- 57865808 +>>57865413 +Thoriated glass. Thorium-232. Used until the 1970s. +--- 57865834 +>>57865508 +rep my nigga Dieudonné Saive +--- 57865862 +>>57862200 +Chris is really knowledgeable about the AR family, particularly from his experience working at Colt but he is deep on the M14 hate bandwagon. In that video he railroads it as a story of FAL amazing, M14 worst rifle ever made because muh corruption. + +In reality the FAL candidate and the original Springfield prototype (which was nothing like the M14 or Garand) both shat the bed during arctic trials and Springfield's backup rifle did really well. That's where interest started to switch towards the M14 we ended up adopting. + +There were serious production problems with early M14s as well, but had we licenced the FAL and built it here would we have avoided the same issues? It's impossible to say for sure, but seeing as how many stemmed from US DoD approved vendors not really taking the task at hand seriously rather than the design itself being flawed I can totally see them cranking out fucked up, unreliable and inaccurate FALs as well. + +TL:DR in researching about the FAL be weary about people who overly circlejerk about the M14 because it's an echo chamber and they tend to cite bad or incomplete sources to satisfy bias confirmation. The FAL and M14 are equally good/bad in different ways, just the priorities of the US military were not a good fit for what the FAL offered so we didn't adopt it. Simple as. +--- 57865879 +>>57862171 (OP) +Make sure you mention how Belgian butthurt led the Germans to design a superior rifle. +--- 57865957 +>>57865862 +The design was already antiquated for its time and while sure the M14 is decent when you play to its strengths it is definitely a clear cut example of regressionism in military tradition and sticking to what you know for the worse, there are many tests that were done later on that showed that service members in 'Nam had their lives saved by the abilities that the M16 offered, particularly the manual of arms when it comes to maneuverability and not just being a Garand with a magazine. + +Sure the heat the M14 gets in retrospect might not all be warranted, but Studler was also a shill for Springfield because he was a former head there and they had him in their pockets. Its pretty cut and dry that corruption in the MIC is what led to the M14s adoption as they ran the AR10 and FAL through extra tests with over pressured ammo that the M14 didnt have to go through, then waived their hands and went "well, I guess this is the best design" like ingenuine assholes they were +--- 57865987 +>>57865957 +I bring up the M16 because it more or less had the same ergonomics as the AR10 and FAL to some extent just scaled down and if we had started with that as a base as opposed to "muh wood and steel is a real rifle for war" and improved upon that with barrel lengths, magazine size, etc we would've been far better off than we were in our timeline where sticklers to doctrine refused to evolve with the battlefield + +Its an lasting stain and embarrassment that the Soviets of all people who dont give a shit about tactics or conscript ability were the first to see the advantage of the intermediate cartridge and the "Assault Rifle" manual of arms, and that we slacked behind for the sake of maintaining tradition +--- 57866047 +>>57865957 +To boot on top of that the Garand itself was plagued with the same issue as it was originally designed to have a detachable box mag as well but once again MIC tards and upper brass went "well this might not be cost effective since troops will waste ammo, we need to artificially handicap them and turn it into an en bloc system" + +tl:dr, we couldve had something in the '40s that was essentially the M14, but retards said it would be too OP and scaled back, then given the new trials for a NATO standard service rifle someone else tries once again to innovate and yet again retards go "nah, too risky lol" and proceed to stay behind the times +--- 57866818 +>>57865834 +How does one pronounce his name? + +Dyu-doh-nay sah-yeev + +That right? +--- 57866837 +>>57862171 (OP) +The first promotional video for the FAL started with “reply to this post or your mother will die in her sleep tonight” +--- 57867566 +>>57862200 +remember what they took from us +--- 57867939 +>>57866818 +Dee-U-Don Sow-V. OP video had it right +--- 57870036 +>>57863371 +>appreciate the hotline miami music in the back +What is this song? diff --git a/k/57862672.txt b/k/57862672.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..fad5ec9d077b10623dd0305b9afb8a1bc9f26fb7 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57862672.txt @@ -0,0 +1,136 @@ +----- +--- 57862733 +Niggers +--- 57862749 +>>57862672 (OP) +this is the third you've made this thread that i have seen +>captcha: 4T KMS +--- 57862851 +>>57862672 (OP) +Other than those army jobs were it's your job to shoot up old munitions all day, I can't think of a better /k/ job than getting paid to fondle and shoot old guns. +--- 57863002 +im not a zoomer so what does 'filters' mean +--- 57863209 +Respecting David Spade is too much to ask for. +--- 57863460 +>>57863002 +The term filter has nothing to do with the generations you grew up in +--- 57863483 +>>57862672 (OP) +Who? +--- 57863506 +>>57863002 +It's said by retards on /v/ whenever someone says anything remotely bad about elden ring. Doesn't matter if the criticism is bad or actually warranted +--- 57863513 +>>57863506 +The last 20 hours of Elden Ring is absolute dogshit though +--- 57863531 +>>57863513 +filtered. +--- 57863541 +>>57863531 +Dark Souls 2 with the DLC is the best dark souls game and its not even close. +--- 57863594 +>>57863513 +Imo elden ring is in general overjoyed shit +--- 57865678 +>>57862672 (OP) +What's his opinion about the invasion of Ukraine? +--- 57865751 +>>57865678 +He’s a vatnik +--- 57865889 +>>57863483 +British Ian +--- 57866142 +>>57863002 +How does a filter work retard? +--- 57866282 +>>57863506 +You're new, filtered predates elden ring by a lot +--- 57866290 +>>57863513 +Unironically filtered +--- 57866339 +>>57862672 (OP) +He is soft spoken, almost effeminate, bong, so ofc K gets filtered. + +He is part of the GunTuber Holy Trinity alongside Ian and Paul, and everyone that disagrees is simply wrong. +--- 57866569 +>>57862672 (OP) +At this point I'm almost convinced that you're the man himself and are trying to make yourself as popular as Ian was. It won't work. +--- 57866805 +>>57863002 +Do you actually see trip/namefag posts and Ukraine threads? +How can you even browse this place without 70+ filters? +--- 57866954 +>>57862749 +I was going to say the same thing +--- 57867022 +>>57862672 (OP) +The amount of seethe he causes by being a bong who fingerfucks the rarest guns in existence as a job is delicious. +--- 57867384 +>>57866805 +>filtering trips individually instead of just filtering the ! +--- 57867652 +>>57867384 +I like to think of it as a trophy wall. +Over the past 14 years, just how many trips have come and gone on /k/ and /o/. +--- 57867661 +>>57862672 (OP) +>Bootlicking Brit +>Says some things about handling that I know from hands-on experience are slightly incorrect, can tell he only knows this theoretically. +>Question what I haven't been able to personally handle where he was pulling it out of his theory-hole. +--- 57867666 +>>57862672 (OP) +Filters by being boring?? +--- 57867673 +>>57863002 +It means he takes a couple of his chubby, nitrile gloved digits and gently fingers your pride +--- 57867674 +>>57862672 (OP) +I have a book of weapons from the Royal Armories but I just can’t get into him. I dislike his manner he’s too slow and hesitating in his way of speaking. Compare that to Ian Mcollum who’s a much smoother operator +--- 57867686 +>>57862672 (OP) +he’s cute, I like softly spoken, librarian type of guys. What was the question again +--- 57867703 +>>57862672 (OP) +He's just not an engaging presenter. +>>57867652 +>I like to think of it as a trophy wall. +Unfathomably based. +--- 57867732 +>>57867652 +Alright, I get it +--- 57868495 +>>57862672 (OP) +somebody post the webm of him shooting glocks akimbo style, flinching from it +--- 57868606 +>>57862851 +>shoot +Oh, you sweet noguns summer child. +--- 57868619 +>>57863506 +Holy fuck, is this your third day on 4chan? Post guns. +--- 57868721 +>>57866805 +Based. Fuck UKR/RU shills +--- 57868766 +>>57862672 (OP) +Filters? +--- 57871214 +>>57867652 +>Over the past 14 years... +Go get a life and touch grass +--- 57871312 +>>57865889 +Ian actually owns guns. +--- 57871355 +>>57862672 (OP) +I have his book. It's nice. And the other Headstamp books because guaranteed replies on /k/. +--- 57872105 +>>57862672 (OP) +>FIREARMS EXPERT REACTS TO LE VIDYA GUNS +>plays with guns +>in a country where everyone else is basically banned from owning them +Fuck that shit. diff --git a/k/57862803.txt b/k/57862803.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..72ad0f54efab0c6bc589ae9bdd2819a2ca56f636 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57862803.txt @@ -0,0 +1,234 @@ +----- +--- 57862803 +I was recently gifted these two .22's by my grandfather, the one on top is a JC Higgins model 29 and the one on the bottom is a Marlin model 60. The Marlin is broken unforunately, but the Higgins runs smooth and is quite accurate. The model 29 may not be all that valuable, but considering it belonged to my great-grandfather and was the first gun my grandfather ever shot, it's got loads of sentimental value +Post your rimfire guns, bonus points if it's been in your family for 3 or more generations +--- 57862999 +>>57862803 (OP) +I bought these, with my own money. + +also have a Rossi model 62 pump .22, and CMMG conversion. + +the Rossi was originally my fathers, which he lent to my grand father, who became legally insane, and so it transferred back to him to me. does that count. +--- 57863022 +Marlin Gang +--- 57863041 +>>57862999 +>the Rossi was originally my fathers, which he lent to my grand father, who became legally insane, and so it transferred back to him to me. does that count. +You know what, it's a specific enough scenario to where I'll allow it +Also checked +--- 57863664 +.22s are fun as fuck +--- 57863716 +>>57863022 +I'll give you 50 bucks for that 12r peep sight on the 81. My 80 shoots too well for the janky little blade rear +--- 57863755 +>>57863716 +no way fag. I love that thing. plenty to find on eBay and Gunbroker +--- 57863757 +>>57862803 (OP) +I bought a Ruger American Rimfire in .17 HMR, what am I in for? +--- 57863778 +>>57863664 +They're like BB guns that aren't a pain in the ass to shoot, it's great. Every gun-fag oughtta have atleast one .22 to fuck around with/shoot small game +--- 57863801 +>>57863757 +>I bought a Ruger American Rimfire in .17 HMR, what am I in for? +A budget bolt action in a varmint caliber +I've heard .17 HMR is pretty good for most small game, although it's not as cheap as .22 to shoot +--- 57864647 +Mossberg 46m(b) I got recently, fucking phenomenal. I can nail a 8"x8" steel plate at 200 yards all day with it. +--- 57864845 +>>57864647 +Is it possible to drop a round onto the lifter for single loading one of those, or do you have to load the round directly into the barrel like on a box mag gun? +--- 57864914 +I want a semiauto .22 I can dress up in stupid ways. Ideally it would be very cheap since, again, I'm going to just use it for meme purposes. Is a 10/22 off gunbroker basically the only worthwhile thing for my purposes? +--- 57864916 +>>57864845 +The lifter kicks into play before you even have the bolt fully open, so just dropping a round onto it will result in it rolling to either side and getting lodged against the barrel. Gotta shove it directly into the barrel, but there's easy access to it under the scope. Ironically single loading it is faster than loading the tube so far, and I feel I've gotten pretty proficient loading the tube. +--- 57864917 +What's the best way to get a 10/22? Seems these shits have gone way up in price lately. You could pretty much buy an AR15 (albeit shitty) for what new 10/22's go for. Should I be looking in pawn shops? +--- 57864968 +>>57864916 +Damn. + +>Ironically single loading it is faster than loading the tube so far +I've noticed the same for my Savage Mark II, at least when I'm prone and can have a box of ammo next to me. That's why I was curious. +--- 57865018 +>>57864917 +I wouldn't advise pawn shops, they usually charge about the same as most places do new ones for one that's likely dirty as shit and possibly damaged +It's hard to find one below $300, though it's worth checking your local gun stores for their prices. Might be better to find one online honestly +--- 57865063 +>>57864914 +A savage 64F might suit your purposes if you don't mind the kinda ugly mag, I have no idea how reliable they are but you can find em just about everywhere for dirt cheap +--- 57865076 +>>57865063 +>kinda ugly mag +Yeah you weren't kidding, wow look at that thing. +--- 57865088 +>>57864647 +I love that full length grip on it, reminds me of my granddads old pellet rifle. How much did you pick it up for? +--- 57865135 +>>57864914 +Yeah pretty much the only .22 with a huge aftermarket I can think of is the 10/22, unless you count CMMG or other .22 AR15s or AR15 conversions, but they'll all look like some flavor of M16 A1/A2, M4, or whatever, so a lot less "dress up" and possibilities of making it look like some other gun. + +>>57864917 +I just bought a new one after looking on gun.deals. Love it but my extractor was unusable and had basically not been deburred at all. Oh well, was buying a Volquartsen hammer anyways so I just picked one of their extractors up. Anything made after 2000 should be fine for parts compatibility AFAIK. The paintjob on new 10/22s is kind of shit and if you really want to use and abuse it I'd probably recommend a cerakoting; the ejection port and front of the magwell were bubbling up out of the box due to poor paint prep (I assume) but haven't spread since I removed that paint. It's otherwise a fine paint job but they really need to take a half a second to sand blast or degrease those areas better. + +Will include outdated prices, but if you want a threaded model with an otherwise standard barrel profile and iron sights, look for: +>31113 (carbine, barrel band, plastic stock, 18.5" barrel, iron sights, comes with carry case) - $328.99 @ Centerfire, as low as $290.99 if you belong to NCCA, see gun.deals +>31165 (carbine, barrel band, plastic stock, 18.5" barrel, iron sights, Bass Pro exclusive) - $339.99 +If you don't care about irons: +>1261 (tactical, barrel band, plastic stock, with flash hider, potentially a strange barrel profile, 16" barrel, no irons) - ~$315.00 +Talo exclusives, no irons: +>1296 +>11113 +>11198 +>21144 +>31172 (fat barrel, carbine without a band) +Then there's two sporters with a threaded barrel, a screw on weaver or pic rail, and a fat fluted barrel without a band, but Talo exclusive: +>31166 +>31167 +You may also be able to find a modern MFG one in a pawnshop but the question is how much cheaper will it really be and is it the model you really want? +--- 57865251 +>>57864647 +My first rifle. +>I AM TIRED +>the past is a blank +--- 57865278 +Pumpers rise up! +--- 57865296 +>>57865278 +Based pump enjoyer. What is that anon? Looks cute. +--- 57865316 +>>57865296 +NTA but looks like a Remington Speedmaster or Woodswhatevertheycallit. Multiple names for the same thing, basically. +--- 57865334 +>>57865296 +Whoops, looks like speed is the semi. Fieldmaster is the pump. +--- 57865368 +I've got one of these and it is actually a great shooter. +--- 57865371 +>>57865296 +>>57865316 +Remmy Fieldmaster. Dimensionally the same to an 870 in every way except stroke. I put a Weaver K0 in Weaver rings on it. Yes, a zero power scope. +--- 57865394 +>>57865371 +What do you figure a decent price for one is? +--- 57865447 +>>57865371 +I have NEVER heard of the K0 and I have a bunch of old Weavers, what the fuck? Only pic I can find since for some reason I don't have pics of any more interesting scopes except for the K4. That would be a nice scope to have; will have to keep an eye out. +--- 57865463 +>>57865371 +>only pic I can find +Only pic I can find of one of my scopes I mean. Little distracted ATM. +--- 57865530 +>>57865394 +Around 3, mine's in really great condition and I paid about that, a little over a few yrs back. The scope was very specifically selected for just this gun at the same show. Fat scope table guy complimented my taste as "prefect", abt $40 there, but the K-series have been climbing as they are "rediscovered" and will routinely command $40+, if you're not careful. I've been after them for years now. This one a K2.5x I put on a M9422M, a mag lever Winny. The "Post and fine wire" are still my fav. +--- 57865615 +>>57865447 +I actually foundctge scope first and didn't buy it until after I had the pump. I rushed back to snag the K0! I just buy random K-series for period correct, classical glass for vintage guns. Picrel has a nice brass patina at the bell for style points. I have a K4 "TV View" Weaver on my M99 that's pretty different. Round w/ flat top and bottom like the mid century CRT TVs. Like I said, they got "found out" and are going for more than several years ago. +--- 57865622 +>>57865088 +About $350 after shipping and transfer fees. That's the main reason I got the m version too, the mannlicher stocks just look so damn good to me. Last image so I don't fill the thread up singlehandedly. +--- 57865711 +>>57865622 +Mine was a mag feed that had a trapdoot in the butt plate for a spare. The mag had a threaded hole for a screw in post to align shorts. It had a "hang fire" guard on the bolt I had to get trimmed back by a smith that drilled and tapped my rcvr for a scope. He also had a "spam key" sling swivel for the front band, good luck finding that now! I had to check out books on gun safwty and remorize before I was given that rifle. I checked out 3 from the library at my elementary school, so you can imagine this was decades ago. +--- 57865897 +>>57864647 +How the fuck? I can barely hit steel at 100 yards without serious deviation. +--- 57866234 +>>57863755 +My dude, they're all gone. There's a Williams peep that fits, but all the 12rs are gone. + +Put hands on the new mk4 target with loooong boi barrel, it's pretty neat. Pictured here next to my 22/45. I almost wish they would've threaded the target so I could put a can on it and be retarded long. +--- 57866284 +>>57865251 +>>57865711 + +based tos posting +--- 57866345 +>>57862803 (OP) +The handguard on the top one is honestly beautiful and now I must have one. +--- 57866551 +>>57866345 +Shit, you're right anon. I love that swell. +--- 57867400 +>>57862803 (OP) +Why does skinner ship their shit with the worst chinese screws in the world? I stripped pretty much everything but the elevation screw, which I need a screw driver to get tight enough so their is no play (also I think the drunk fuck gun smith drilled and tapped the receiver on a diagonal) +The sights shoot pretty good, just annoying I had to peen the rear sight in place and the screws suck +--- 57869097 +>>57866345 +>handguard +Please, forestock. Browning T-Bolt and Weatherby XXII pictured. +--- 57869112 +>>57865897 +>100 yards without serious deviation +Abt 12" with standard velocity. +--- 57869329 +>>57865897 +I sighted it in at 50 initially which was pretty easy, then I went straight to 200 the following week and was hitting all sorts of everywhere. I got really worried I had a fucked up crown or something but I tried just holding two feet high and my group tightened up tremendously, turns out I was skipping rounds off the ground at about 150yds with the 50 yard zero. The old ass scope on top of it doesn't move the lenses or the scope or however modern scopes work, it moves the physical crosshair like a PU scope, so now it's set where it's pretty centered left and right, but up and down it crosses about 1/3 the way up instead of right in the middle, lels. It's still a little off left and right but I just chalk that up to 22 being 22 and hold a little to either side depending on the wind or lack thereof. Also, here's the plate in question after that particular trip. There were a solid few 22cal holes in the wooden stand right behind the 30cal holes in the steel, which was quite annoying to see. +https://youtu.be/GL5cmDnTAsg [Embed] +>>57869112 +Aguila super extra 40 grain is what I've come to like. It's a bit dirty but it isn't super bad smelling like pretty much the rest of the Aguila line, and also it's at a very nice sweet spot where it's supersonic out of my rifles and subsonic out of my pistols. Almost makes me want to form 1 or form 4 something. +--- 57869400 +Here's my 1906 winchester heirloom +This thing can take the shittiest 22 ammo and still hit with it. I wish black powder 22 was made so i could larp as a cowboy or smth. +--- 57869659 +My shitty Rossi RS22 with silly little duct tape mag pouches and $20 Simmons Walmart scope. It sure is fun though. +--- 57870237 +>>57869659 +>duct tape mag pouches +I like, but is your neck red? +--- 57870558 +I got this one last year from some old guy for free, its an early one with the loading port on top. +The takedown feature is really nice, though it really has only novelty value, due to being in .22 Short and being on a restriced license where I live. +--- 57870607 +>>57864914 +10/22 in a gun store might be a better bet because of no ffl fee and s/h. A lot of guns are better to buy online but 10/22s are generally not more expensive in store from what i've seen. +>>57865063 +>I can dress up in stupid ways +if he wants a variety of parts to slap on then you really can't beat the 10/22 even if its a bit more expensive. +--- 57871096 +>>57870607 +>if he wants a variety of parts to slap on then you really can't beat the 10/22 even if its a bit more expensive. +You are right, I just saw the words "cheap" and ".22" in the same post and kinda figured the extra $150 might be a bit much for the lad +--- 57871132 +OP here, decided to take a picture of the Higgins buttplate because of the kino little designs on it. Aside from it kind of being a pain to put back together after dissasembly, this would be an excellent first gun +--- 57871430 +>>57870558 +>its an early one with the loading port on top. +??? +--- 57871449 +>>57871132 +Weird, my Sears model 25 has the same design but without the "JC Higgins" text IIRC. +--- 57871551 +>>57871430 +--- 57871582 +>>57871449 +Mines a model 29, guess it's just one of those little changes they make between models +That's a nice rifle, hows the reliability on it? Mine didn't jam when I test fired it, but my grandpa told me that if I plan on dumping mag after mag out of it I should expect a few jams here and there. Seems fine for hunting, although I'll admit it might not be a premier range toy +--- 57871847 +>>57871582 +Reliability has been good. IIRC my new firing pin was light striking but that was weeks ago so I can barely remember; I think the face of the pin is too fat compared to stock. Other than that, I don't remember any big reliability problems. It was absolutely filthy when I got it though; the other side of the gun has slits cut ("gills") and the wood stock was just coated in black soot under that area. I don't think it really minds not being clean like some .22s. I've seen some people online shoot quicker than the gun really wants to which resulted in a fail to feed but that's about it; I don't think gill guns are built for dumping a mag as quick as possible, though can still feed rounds pretty quick. Might not get you the splits you want in a shooting competition but other than that it's fine for most use cases. + +My biggest "reliability issue", if you can call it that, was that it came with a broken firing pin which I've been looking for a professionally made replacement for going on years instead of my home-made soft shitty pin I made from a piece of stainless sheet steel. I got one finally. +--- 57871916 +>>57871847 +>It was absolutely filthy when I got it though; the other side of the gun has slits cut ("gills") and the wood stock was just coated in black soot under that area. +I understand that. Mine doesn't have any gills but it's got some sections in the reciever that get a lot of lead build-up, along with the extracter. Definitely a good idea to clean it fairly regularly, but since I only put like 50 rounds through it to test it I'll wait +--- 57872312 +.17HMR IS BEST RIMFIRE FOLKS EVERYBODY SAYS IT, EVERYONE KNOWS IT. YOUR SPEEDYEST AND FLATEST RIMFIRE BOY IS .17HMR AND NOTHING IS BETTER THAN IT! + +But I actually wannt try .17hm2, it seems fun and interesting. I tried my friends very very old .17hm2 rifle and it basically just fills the same niche and role as .22lr but blows .22lr the fuck out in every way. I want to buy a .17hm2 rifle of some sort but they are hard to find. I see some Savage Mark II F but that's it. I already own a Mark II in .22lr so I don't want two of the same rifle. I saw some youtuber with a really fucking expensive german thing that is not available anywhere anyway. + Is there some .17hm2 rifle I should look for? Or should I suck it up and get the Mark II F? +--- 57872338 +>>57872312 +>I want to buy a .17hm2 rifle of some sort but they are hard to find. +Try Cabelas. I forget which .17 it is (probably a mix of all of the flavors of .17 chamberings) but I see them all the time in the used section. +--- 57872408 +>>57872338 +Maybe, but I was looking for specific model suggestions. It's a great but unpopular cartridge, not a lot of rifles were made for .17hm2 so I don't know what's out there. +.17hmr is WAY more popular for good reason. +--- 57873291 +>>57872338 +Fuck Cabela's. They won't let you pull the trigger on any of their guns for sale. Might as well tell me I can't test drive a car before I decide to buy. diff --git a/k/57862935.txt b/k/57862935.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..81f8b8026d0b13d7ebf643dad66b1f14b76c61e5 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57862935.txt @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +----- +--- 57862935 +Do nods have output delay? +--- 57862941 +>>57862935 (OP) +No they see into the future l +--- 57862949 +>>57862935 (OP) +A little, this belongs in qtddtot +--- 57862961 +NODs are the most overrated pos gear i've ever seen peddled +Like that 10k loan could've been spent on a few generators and work utility lights to secure your compound against nod wearing raiders +--- 57863516 +>>57862961 +Until one of those NOD wearing raiders just shoots the generator from far away, with a gun. Or shoots the lights. Or any of a dozen other things. +--- 57863615 +>>57862961 +>10k loan +Taking out loans at all. +--- 57863681 +>>57862961 +You gonna carry those lights with you when you go out at night? +--- 57863705 +>>57862935 (OP) +No, it's an analog device. It's converting photons into electrons into photons at the speed of light. +--- 57863732 +>>57862935 (OP) +Technically yes but practically no, unless you're asking about digital devices in which case absolutely +--- 57863774 +>>57862935 (OP) +No, analog systems allow for instant output to the user. It's one reason why good digital is so hard, it can't do that. +--- 57864503 +>>57862961 +This. No one knows true power untill they harness the light! +--- 57866428 +>>57862935 (OP) +Yes, it takes an insignificant but theoretically measurable amount of time for the photons to travel from the front of the tube to the back. +--- 57866440 +>>57862961 +it is incredibly easy to shoot out lights. you can do it from relative safety too. +--- 57866482 +>>57866428 + +By how many times slower than without a tube in the way +--- 57866508 +>>57862935 (OP) +they have zero delay in terms of real perception, digital has pretty significant delay +--- 57866577 +>>57866482 +About the same delay as you get from the light passing through the lenses of a magnified optic. +--- 57866641 +>>57866482 +The atmosphere slows down light from the sun significantly more than light passing through a tube will +No human will ever be able to perceive the change, although it's theoretically measurable, there's no reason to do so because you can do nothing about it nor will it ever affect you +--- 57867011 +>>57862935 (OP) +For any practical intent, No. Some say they're analog, which is kinda true, it's more like they're just pure curcuitry with no computerization at the fundamental functional level. +They function at 2/3 the speed of light and 2/3 of 3million times faster than you can process with your eyes is still 2 million times faster. +--- 57869738 +>>57862949 +no one replies to shit on qddot nigger +--- 57871716 +>>57863615 +> using your own money +--- 57871895 +>>57862961 +For most people thermals are more valuable than nods. In an shtf scenario you're either going to be sleeping or standing guard while other people sleep, and if you're defending a static position then a guy with thermals will spot a guy with nods long before a guy with nods spots a guy with thermals. +--- 57872166 +>>57871895 +Thermals are great, BV is great, and they have different use cases. Only folk that own only own (and are emotionally attached to their choice) shill just the one. However. +You can't navigate and move in thermals. This is why folks are advised to get NV first, and thermals second. If you're holding a fixed position and everyone is an enemy then sure, you'll want thermals. Buy if you're going to be moving at all, ever, or want to identify what you're shooting at because not everyone is a threat, thermals won't help. Unlike NV which has very low electrical draw, Thermals absolutely chug batteries and since thermals HAVE to be attached and zero'd to the rifle that means any moment you're running that rifle you are just pissing electricity into the ether so you better have some sort of stable independent logistics set up to support their use. +Now, can YOU find a way to run ONLY thermals in your UNIQUE use case? Maybe. But should you recommend it over NV in general for 99% of everyone else stumbling into this sort of discussion? Hell na. +Get NV. Train on NV. Then get a thermal scope and mount it to a rifle designed for it's use and obtain proper godhood like a normal person. +--- 57872191 +>>57872166 +I agree that you can't navigate with thermals and ideally you should have both, but most people don't need to navigate at night so if they have to prioritize it's better to pick thermal. +--- 57872386 +>>57862935 (OP) +Total input-output delay of any modern tube (gen 2 or gen 3) is under 3 milliseconds. +--- 57872675 +>>57872191 +The scenarios that either require or heavily favor moving after dark are numerous in the particular environments in which thermal/nv debates become germane. Most people live in cities (large or small). Moving in the day is perfectly fine right up until the moment it absolutely isn't. +And if your plan revolves around hunkering in place for the entirety of whatever may come you're risking having a really bad time because hunkering is not the right choice 100% of the time in all but a minority of conceivable cases. Again, while YOU might be in a position to get away with only running thermals, because of YOUR unique situation, for everyone else NVs are the more important first purchase. diff --git a/k/57863403.txt b/k/57863403.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a8fae0790caa44839487f36b79ed8851badbc262 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57863403.txt @@ -0,0 +1,272 @@ +----- +--- 57863403 +>electro automatic OTF knife + +Knives have finally joined the 21st century +--- 57863434 +>>57863403 (OP) +>even the knives have LED's +I fucking hate this timeline. +--- 57863442 +>>57863434 +what's wrong with LEDs? +--- 57863984 +>>57863403 (OP) +Ban Assault Pregnancy Testers +--- 57863994 +>>57863403 (OP) +what's the point? +--- 57864052 +>>57863403 (OP) +Man you had me expecting something there. +That's straight trash. +--- 57864896 +>>57863403 (OP) +Still no progressive knives +--- 57864907 +>>57863403 (OP) +>Cant baton with it + +Absolutely not interested +--- 57865024 +>hey guys, we made it worse! +Thanks. +--- 57865034 +>>57863403 (OP) +Can't wait for someone to have something in the pocket to snag on that switch and end up stabbing himself +--- 57865043 +ok so this thing is retarded, but what would a useful electric knife look like? +>intergraded taser +>automatic high speed stabbing function +>finger print ID to deploy blade +>LED lights to blind opponents +I dont know, how useful and weird can you get with electric knife? +--- 57865057 +>>57863403 (OP) +unless it's a fucking light sabre, i don't need a knife that requires a power source to operate. +--- 57865059 +>>57865043 +>useful electric knife +HF blade +--- 57865084 +>>57863403 (OP) +>patrollin da streets +>see sum wyt bitch wit timmy +>awyiss.png +>pull up on those crackas +>boutta introduce them to the bbc +>take out my smartknifeTM +>"battery low, please recharge" +>get shot +obama... not like this +--- 57865115 +>>57865043 +vibroblade +--- 57865227 +>>57865059 +>>57865115 +hypothetically, would a HF/vibrating knife, using modern technology, actually do any extra damage? +--- 57865246 +>>57863403 (OP) +that is incalculably gay +--- 57865286 +>>57863403 (OP) +why is it slower than a child trying to open his first folder? +--- 57866239 +>>57863403 (OP) +What does the display show? Stab status? +--- 57867039 +>>57866239 +puffs left on vape function +--- 57867099 +>>57865043 +the fingerprint shit is retarded especially on gun holsters. they use biometrics at my job and the thumb scanners are always finnicky, especially when your hands are dirty from work. sometimes I have to spit wipe my thumb and the scanner off 14 times before it'll work. imagine doing that in a fight. +--- 57867112 +>>57863403 (OP) +This is what happens when you have too much time and money on your hands, but no original ideas. +--- 57867131 +>>57863403 (OP) +Why the fuck would I want that? +--- 57867157 +>>57863403 (OP) +12 inch Bowie vs electric OTF whos winning the oiled ass shaking contest? +--- 57867201 +>>57865043 +Self-sharpening. Maybe twisting the wound to make it larger. Removing blood stain and finger prints. Maybe some form of detector for cameras and similar. +--- 57867223 +>>57863403 (OP) +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNYigk0Dj4w [Embed] +--- 57867234 +>>57867201 +Oh, and of course poison in a little magazine to auto-apply. +--- 57867238 +>>57867099 +Only some are finicky. You can lower the sensitivity required to unlock them, and they pretty much open whenever my thumb goes on no matter what. +But you have to make sure you're using the right sensors and software. And yes someone with a vaguely similar print could unlock it due to the reduced sensitivity, but still it's not likely. +--- 57867711 +>>57865227 +No, it's sci-fi bullshit. Even if you COULD make the thing vibrate in such a high frequency that it begins the saw through matter on its own, there's now way to stop that vibration from eroding your hand at the same time. +--- 57867716 +>>57863403 (OP) +Wait...wait....can it also shock somebody? +--- 57867728 +>>57863403 (OP) +I just want it for collection completeness like the Jungle King II with slingshot. It may be silly but it is desirable in its own way +--- 57867735 +>>57865043 +>what would a useful electric knife look like? + +Like this, but the tip should be sharper so you can actually stab with it +--- 57867736 +>>57865057 +>need to charge phone +>okay +>need to charge watch +>okay +>need to charge earbuds +>okay +>need to charge tablet +>okay +>need to charge toothbrush +>okay +>need to charge laptop +>okay +>need to charge car +>okay +>need to charge knife +>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE + +:/ +--- 57867773 +>>57863403 (OP) +Who can link that video of Terry Davis messing with a key fob, frustrated and wishing that it was just a key? +--- 57867780 +>>57867736 +And do you make your own electricity? +--- 57867809 +>>57863403 (OP) +Let me know when it can connect to wifi. Until then, fuck off with this prehistoric shit. +--- 57867900 +>>57863403 (OP) +Hope the display can at least track your max kill streak. +--- 57867975 +>Alexa open knife +--- 57868216 +>>57867736 +I don't have any of that s@ytech bullshit, only phone and pc. kys please +--- 57868220 +>>57868216 +>he doesn't have a toothbrush + +cleetus as fuck +--- 57868273 +>>57863403 (OP) +Outside of the practical application of miniturizing and ruggedizing electronics and making use of advance batteries and such, this is a novelty unless there is some application where an electrically driven motorized knife has some usefulness +--- 57868309 +Something like the neurotoxin knife from CP2077 would be sick +--- 57868346 +>>57865043 +>what would a useful electric knife look like? +--- 57868365 +>>57868220 +>he doesn't use a manual toothbrush +Good goyim, keep those skinny arms weak... +--- 57868374 +>>57863403 (OP) +What's keeping that from activating in your pocket? +--- 57868405 +>>57868346 +I will slice my enemies into easier to manage pieces. +--- 57868416 +>>57863403 (OP) +Is that a heavy-duty pregnancy test for hard pissers? I didn't watch the webm. +--- 57869117 +>>57868346 +Uday Hussein took a dude out with one of these, big endorsement +--- 57869123 +>>57863403 (OP) +non Newtonian weapons are bad. +buy only guns and weapons that cant be manipulated by a 3rd party. +--- 57869138 +>forgot to charge my knife! +--- 57869172 +>>57863403 (OP) +>Fat as fuck +>Looks like 2k cellphone +>Expect 300f/s deployment and retraction so that one can walk by someone and stab them with a button push +>It's some Lego arts and crafts motor with some hobbyist electronics and 3d printed gears +--- 57869200 +>>57867735 +>Make it a skip chain. +>Flat filed ripper profile on the teeth. +>Sharkfin the rakers. +>Add grip for off hand because this fucker is gonna kick like a .44 mag loaded by a drunk bubba. +--- 57869255 +>>57863403 (OP) +If someone shows me this in person, I'm planning on stabbing them in the neck with a sharpened piece of flint just on principle. +--- 57869321 +>>57867809 +>member when pawpaw's knife couldn't even download Japanese tentical porn and deep fake President Kamala into it with cloud based AI functions? +>how did they live? +--- 57869335 +>>57863403 (OP) +Does it have an app so that I can keep track of how many people I've stabbed with it? +--- 57869365 +>>57868365 +>brushing teeth as a form of exercise +--- 57869719 +>>57863994 +The metal part that extends and retracts +--- 57869766 +>>57863403 (OP) +Yeah but if you break out your /g/ife it won't be as cool as unfolding a butterfly knife. You won't be taken seriously if your knife runs Gentoo. +--- 57869809 +>>57863403 (OP) +so 5 years down the line the battery will be dead and when you try to use the knife in an emergency the blade doesn't come out + +awesome +--- 57869844 +time to upgrade your knifes firmware +--- 57869888 +>>57869809 +lol dumb fudd poorfag, your fault for not having ElectroKnife Platinum™ subscription support (only $29.99/mo) then your knife would have automatically reported its obsolete status and they'd already have sent you a new one (some restrictions apply)! You wouldn't want an old insecure knife anyway would you? New laws require keeping your knife up to date for child safety and complying with all new regulations anyway, so it's basically a bargain! +--- 57869890 +>>57867736 +i don’t do any of that except for the phone +no laptop, no tablet, mechanical watch, regular toothbrush, gasoline car +--- 57869922 +GOD DAMN IT /k/ went to /g/ and they told me an easy way to pirate my knife so went to some public torrent tracker for cracked knifes and seemed fine but just got a letter from the Knife Makers Association of America saying they're suing me for infringement!??! wut do i do!? +--- 57869956 +I can't see a knife's deployment action being improved by something like that unless you're in a very constrictive atmosphere like space or underwater where you have heavy gloves on, however I can see the function of a knife being improved through electric power such as a chain function or sawing motion. The thing I would be most interested in seeing is if they can manage to make the micro vibration concept work in a handheld knife which could give the advantage of the chain or sawing motion on a solid traditional design knife. +--- 57869962 +>>57863403 (OP) +>Knife gets hacked +>Blade shoots out and impales your thigh +>Bleed out because it hit an artery and you had a boner so your blood is pumping out faster +Many such cases! +--- 57869978 +>>57863403 (OP) +can assume the blade when extended has zero tang +neat toy, probably trash as an actual using knife +--- 57870012 +>>57868273 +>>57869956 +>>57869978 +It would have a functionality in hazardous environments such as deep diving and space where motion is limited and having to use a scabbard would make taking it out and putting it back safely would be difficult, but it would have to be redesigned from whatever that concept build shown in the OP is since that looks more like a personal project than a serious proof of concept. +--- 57870017 +>>57863403 (OP) +what would you do with electricity in it? +combine taser with knife? +--- 57872200 +>>57863403 (OP) +That's the gayest fucking knife I've ever seen. +--- 57872234 +>>57867736 +>1. yes +>2. no +>3. no +>4. no +>5. no +>6. no +>7. no +It's a knife for redditards. diff --git a/k/57863628.txt b/k/57863628.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..635d148d7f7a3fff8a1b37e18ae073077e52fe27 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57863628.txt @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +----- +--- 57863628 +>build a gun that would be considered an SBR +>put on a legal faux suppressor +>the faux suppresser increases the barrel length +>gun is no longer considered an SBR +Would this be legal? +--- 57863649 +>>57863628 (OP) +If the faux suppressor is attached in a permanent way, then yes. +--- 57863659 +Assuming the faux suppressor is pinned/welded. Keep in mind the ATF is staffed by bureaucrats. People too stupid to do skilled labor and too lazy to do unskilled labor. +--- 57863660 +>>57863628 (OP) +Yes, if the faux can is fixed in place. If not its an SBR. Personally I don't understand the appeal of a permanently fixed barrel extension, you have all the bulk of a longer barrel without the added velocity. The only case where it's passible is if its on a XM177 clone +--- 57863698 +>>57863628 (OP) +you could just build an SBR and get a real suppressor. +--- 57863998 +>>57863628 (OP) +If you really don’t want to go the SBR route, why not use the length for longer barrel rather than a fake suppressor that doesn’t do anything? +--- 57864028 +>>57863998 +Big brain take here and probably the first thought that should have occurred to OP. +--- 57864033 +>>57863628 (OP) +Only legal if the muzzle device is permanently attacked. e.g. pined and welded on(I dunno if it's either/or or both. +--- 57864046 +>>57863628 (OP) +Its legal. That's how I built my M92 underfolder. +--- 57864066 +>>57863628 (OP) +It's legal and relatively common, but I encourage you to SBR it, it's a pretty easy process. +--- 57864277 +>>57863698 +literally this +there are no constitutional gun laws +--- 57864327 +>>57864066 +>It's legal and relatively common, but I encourage you to SBR it, it's a pretty easy process. +/k/uck +--- 57865287 +>>57863628 (OP) +if it's permanently attached, yes. this has been a thing for many years +--- 57865335 +>>57863628 (OP) +Weld a bead on your suppressor and it's legal +--- 57865522 +fake suppressors are mega gay but I always wondered if you had a permanently fixed bayonet would it count towards barrel length? +--- 57865630 +Hypothetically, yes. Why in the world would you though? The point of an SBR is to reduce length, the point of a suppressor is to quiet the gun. You would be sacrificing ballistics with zero benefit. +--- 57866500 +>>57863628 (OP) +To get around it, just weld a thin cable to the barrel. It says barrel length. If you weld a floppy cable that's 5 inches on an 11.5", wouldn't that meat the letter of the law. +--- 57867692 +High temperature [like 1000+ degree] silver solder is also a legal option if for whatever reason you can't/don't want to get somebody to weld it on. You just have to be a little careful, put a cold wet towel or wash cloth around the barrel to manage the heat and keep it from fucking up the barrel steel. Will ruin the metal finish no matter what. +Or just fuck the cops and don't comply in minecraft, lmao +--- 57867803 +>>57867692 +I always wondered what would happen if you did a pin and weld but made a little oopsie and didn't make it deep enough for the pin to go into the barrel. then it would look like it was legal to anyone doing anything short of trying to crank it off which would normally ruin your barrel, but if you really had to change your muzzle device it would come off like normal. haha that would be illegal though so definitely make sure to measure carefully before you drill your hole. +--- 57870747 +>>57863628 (OP) +Yes, until they eventually rule that fake suppressors are real suppressors, just like they are doing right now for fake stocks. +--- 57871106 +>>57863628 (OP) +Just get a normal suppressor dumbass. Like a KOA or some shit +--- 57871115 +>>57863628 (OP) +Why would you ever want a faux suppressor on anything? +--- 57871287 +>>57863628 (OP) +If you're going through all of that effort to comply with the faggot NFA laws, just p&w a real suppressor. Leave it without a stock until your can gets out of jail so you still have your short "rifle" if needed. Suppressors are the least retarded NFA items bc you don't have to ask daddy if you can take it with you across state lines like you would with an SBR +--- 57871583 +>>57863628 (OP) +>Would this be legal? +Like everyone says, yes it's legal, yes it's fucking retarded. If you're going to run a gun with a 16" barrel just run it with a 16" barrel so you get the extra velocity duh. + +The reason people do pin/weld with actual suppressors is if they love the gun and plan to run it with a suppressor 100% of the time anyway, making it permanent means shorter OAL than full rifle+can but also avoids SBR specific laws that are annoying. + +Though first it might be best to just see if there's anyone doing integral barrels and just buying one of those. +--- 57871619 +The law is not a moral authority. +--- 57871841 +>>57863628 (OP) +As stated already you have to pin & weld it permanently onto the gun. I would advise not doing any permanent modifications to your firearms in general, especially just to get around horseshit laws that may or may not exist 10 years later. You're better off just using a 16" upper and sitting on an SBR upper (not attached to any lowers) and waiting for any laws to change or civilization to go to shit and laws become moot. diff --git a/k/57863794.txt b/k/57863794.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..cf13f3903d78f7c397456e26c15e81dae0c28996 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57863794.txt @@ -0,0 +1,46 @@ +----- +--- 57863794 +for me its 35 remington +--- 57863857 +For me it's the buck breaker +--- 57863945 +>>57863794 (OP) +most based post on k right now +--- 57865717 +>>57863857 +>Buck status : HAMMERED +--- 57865811 +>>57863794 (OP) +For me, it’s the pig destroyer +--- 57867145 +For me it's God's caliber +--- 57867328 +>>57865811 +To think that this would still be a popular cartridge if it wasn't for lying gun writers in the 60s and 70s. +--- 57868690 +>>57863794 (OP) +VGH... You've probably never heard of it... +--- 57868704 +for me it's the groundhog vaporizer +--- 57868719 +>>57863794 (OP) +>>57863857 +>>57865811 +>>57868690 +>>57868704 +Never even heard of these cartridges +--- 57869990 +For me it's always been the elk eliminator +--- 57870103 +>>57867328 +What happened back then to marginalize the caliber? A bunch of lies about .22-250 or what? +--- 57870115 +>>57868719 +why are you gay? +--- 57871734 +>>57868704 +>using a picture of a dud round in your ad +--- 57873226 +>>57870103 +It was used successfully for years on big game until a few magazine writers in the 60s said it was shit because they were bad shots. This video says more on it. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH6xc11drh0&ab_channel=RonSpomerOutdoors [Embed] diff --git a/k/57864021.txt b/k/57864021.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..511c357ffa67f4ad3191f4ff1ef1419c8ef73f2c --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57864021.txt @@ -0,0 +1,351 @@ +----- +--- 57864021 +Personally,i'd add slots for side winders,kinda like the F22,stupid ass idea but hey,would be cool. +--- 57864045 +>>57864021 (OP) +Chinese language mode +--- 57864072 +>>57864045 +traditional chinese,right? +--- 57864078 +that'll be added on the F-35E Lightning Strike +--- 57864083 +>>57864021 (OP) +A second engine +--- 57864089 +>>57864021 (OP) +A tail gunner. +--- 57864095 +>>57864078 +yeah i thought i was insane that i remembered something like that but yeah,the F35E. + +like Holy shit +--- 57864123 +but fr a double seater F35 would be awesome as fuck +--- 57864128 +>>57864021 (OP) +Cup holder. +--- 57864227 +>>57864123 +didn't the Israeli's want a 2 seater variant? +--- 57864228 +>>57864083 +This +--- 57864247 +>>57864228 +2 engines seem useless,2x the fuel consumption,2x the heat signature +--- 57864257 +>>57864247 +It looks cool though +--- 57864273 +>>57864257 +i agree +i wanna get like a shit ton of money so i can make stupid retarded concepts like a stealth F14 +--- 57864342 +>>57864273 +>He wants a NATF +--- 57864364 +>>57864342 +and the arma A-164 wipe out too lol,i just like triangular stealth designs,im a sucker for POLYGONS +--- 57864387 +>>57864021 (OP) +I'd extend the tail booms, because I love that aesthetic. +For actual capability enhancement, a stealthy pod that mounts inside of the existing weapons bay, but expands it, and fill it full of Peregrines. +--- 57864442 +>>57864257 +It's also safer in case one of them malfunctions. Jet would be fine with returning to base with one still working. +--- 57864457 +A generous return policy. +--- 57864504 +>>57864021 (OP) +The ability to be used by coast guard cutters +--- 57864507 +>>57864021 (OP) +I would replace the stealth coating with a full-body American flag theme. There wouldn't be an exact specification, just a general standard the mechanics/pilots/planners/etc. collaborate on whenever the previous paintjob is wearing out. +Let the shithole countries know who's dabbing on them every time we go up. +--- 57864589 +>>57864045 +當然 +--- 57864655 +>neuron activation +--- 57864804 +>>57864128 +Beat me to it. +--- 57865207 +such a beauty of an aircraft +--- 57866298 +Big delta wings. +Turn it into an F-35XL +--- 57866383 +GAU-8 +--- 57866394 +>>57864273 +omg a stealth f14 would be tits. +--- 57866405 +>>57864021 (OP) +Thrust vectoring. It's honestly the one feature that would put it over the top. +--- 57866438 +People think the F-35 is slow, but it's not. It's mach 1.6 top speed is largely because the stealth starts burning off at sustained speeds above like mach 1.4 or something, so it's limited to very brief jaunts at like mach 1.5 or mach 1.6. Also, many planes only reach their top speeds of mach 2.0 or 2.2 or whatever when they are stripped of all their exterior missiles, gas tanks and munitions, and with like half a tank of fuel or less. The F-35 can roar to mach 1.6 with ease, with a full interior loadout and fuel load. +--- 57866455 +>>57864021 (OP) +>>57864089 +--- 57866478 +>>57864021 (OP) +An afterburner that won't damage the aircraft if it's used. +--- 57866516 +>>57866478 +The afterburner doesn't damage the F-35. WTF are you talking about? +--- 57866614 +>>57866438 + +that number is also not true, just like the range on all US missiles are understated. +--- 57866616 +>>57864021 (OP) +AI with cute voice called 35-chan +--- 57866619 +>>57866516 +Wrong. Pilots have time limits (measured in tens of seconds) for how long they can use afterburner. This effectively makes the F-35 a subsonic aircraft that can't use BVR weapons (requires high altitude supersonic launch). Keep posting shill cope though. +--- 57866649 +>>57866619 +No they don’t +--- 57866662 +>>57866649 +https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/marines-f-35-has-afterburner-trouble-68962 +https://www.defensenews.com/air/2020/04/24/the-pentagon-will-have-to-live-with-limits-on-f-35s-supersonic-flights/ +https://www.quora.com/How-long-can-the-F-35-fly-with-full-afterburners +https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a32304032/f-35-supersonic-flight/ + +nu/k/ope +--- 57866666 +>>57866662 +Which was lifted when they couldn’t repeat the incident. +--- 57866670 +>>57866666 +>source: I made it up +--- 57866724 +>>57864021 (OP) +>Personally,i'd add slots for side winders,kinda like the F22,stupid ass idea but hey,would be cool. +I was thinking about the same thing when I saw the title of the thread. It's a shame it doesn't have sidewinders. I understand it is not meant to engage in missions that would require the use of sidewinders but man it feels wrong to have a multi-role aircraft without short range air to air capability (assuming guns are useless nowadays). + +>>57864083 +>>57864228 +>>57864247 +>>57864257 +>>57864273 +>>57864442 +Adding a second engine is "the tradeoff". As long as you can achieve the specs with a single engine there really is no reason to use two engines. Two engines are only useful if: i) single engine can't meet thrust requirement, ii) single engine is too large in diameter, iii) single engine is too unreliable. + +Some arguments: +1) It would've been better performance! Yeah, it could've but F-22 already exists. If you're producing something to replace F-16, it needs to be more affordable than F-22 and F-35 is indeed more affordable than other comparable aircraft. I mean come on, French are selling Rafale for the price of F-35. + +2) It would've been more reliable as there's a backup engine! If you already achieve reliability goals with a single engine, there's no reason to have a second one. Sure, you can have a backup engine but it's just overkill, it's not an optimized solution it's just throwing more of the most expensive component in the platform into the problem for edge cases (getting shot and losing only one engine when both are so tightly packed together is not really a case you need to cover, and if the engines are failing regularly they're trash engines, having two of them is a bad solution without engine improvements). + +3) It would've been cool! Yes, it would have. I agree 100%. +--- 57866745 +>>57866405 +Thrust vectoring to achieve what goal? Dogfights don't happen nowadays and modern missiles have really high hit probability that being more maneuverable doesn't help to avoid missiles. F-35 gets a lot of poop for being less maneuverable than F-16 but the difference is not that huge and the difference only impacts some really edge use cases. Also, both airplanes would hit the pilot limits before they hit the airframe limits if you push them to breaking point. + +Thrust vectoring would've been very cool though. It's just not optimum. +--- 57866775 +>>57866614 +>understated missile range +You're technically right, but also technically wrong. +I wouldn't waste missiles for a 10% kill chance situation even if the range doubled. +--- 57866776 +>>57866619 +>F-35 a subsonic aircraft that can't use BVR weapons (requires high altitude supersonic launch). +BVR engagement doesn't require supersonic cruise. Having speed helps, but if the difference that would make is important in the engagement then you probably have trash hit probability and shouldn't engage anyway. + +Also, I find it funny that people seem to think every "cool twin engine" plane is supersonic cruise capable. Like literally only a handful of aircraft are capable of supercruise. Most fighter jets and F-35 can only maintain supersonic speeds for a limited duration anyway. +--- 57866897 +Photon torpedos +--- 57867110 +>>57864021 (OP) +chrome or gold plating +--- 57867150 +>>57866775 + +With AI, missiles are going to be a lot smarter. It will busy itself with processing AWS services and then finally switch off with a sigh at 100km+ distance and drive the point into the J-20 belly and bellow in explosion +--- 57867151 +>>57864021 (OP) +Kenny Logins soundtrack that plays on a loop and can't be turned off +--- 57867183 +>>57866619 +KEK. It can supercruise for hundreds of miles. Nice attempt at knowledge tho, Sparky. +--- 57867200 +>>57866745 +Because it's the only weakness of the platform as far as I can see. Great stealth, great sensor suit, great weapons, great pilot-ability. But it doesn't have the turn rate of a F-22 or SU-57. Simple thrust vectoring would put the F-35 on another level should it get into a dogfight. And believe me, if we ever did get into a war with a country with a real air force, the F-35 would invariably find itself in close-up encounters. It's just bound to happen. Missiles don't always hit, and then all of a sudden enemy craft is close enough to either see the F-35 or pick it up on radar. +--- 57867211 +>>57867200 + +Tom could do it by lowering the thrust on one engine. it's not rocket science +--- 57867236 +>>57867211 +>Thinking you can do split throttle on a single-engine plane +>Thinking split throttle achieves the same thing as thrust vectoring +wew, lad +--- 57867355 +>>57864021 (OP) +A pussy so I can fuck it. +--- 57867362 +>>57866724 +lmao you fuckin nerd they can use AIM-9X +--- 57867366 +Being able to turn invisible. +You never said it had to be a REAL feature +--- 57867367 +>>57866776 +Our inventory of BVR missiles need to be fired at high altitude and supersonic speeds (something that the F-35 is currently specifically prohibited from doing) in order to achieve their full range. + +>>57867183 +>current government communications state that it's not allowed to use sustained afterburner +>umm ackshyually it can supercruise (something it was never even designed to do) +the absolute state of nu/k/ope +--- 57867375 +Nuclear weapons. Fuck escalation management. Every F-35 should be capable of deleting a chinese hive. +--- 57867383 +>>57864655 +Uuuwaaahhhh muscle tomboy belly +--- 57867469 +>>57867383 +inorganic forced meme +--- 57867970 +>>57864021 (OP) +Stealth payload. +--- 57868099 +>>57867375 +F-35A can internally carry two B61 nukes +Pretty fucked up that stealth nuclear bombers were a very limited national asset and now what will be the most common tactical fighter is one. +--- 57868130 +>JDAM dildos with GOATSE on the tips +--- 57868215 +>>57864021 (OP) +Cup holders, at least 4 of them. +--- 57868376 +At this point a new long range missile is needed, one with ideally the same dimensions as the AMRAAM, possibly using a Ramjet/Ramrocket. + +Also a smaller low cost missile that can be carried internally in the style of 'CUDA', doesn't have to be especially agile, just cost efficient for targeting drone aircraft and cruise missiles. +Would be useful for thinning out drone and cruise missile attacks, on land or against fleets. + +Also lastly the engine upgrade would be really great for improved range. +--- 57868538 +Shit Lockheed should have have at launch +>uprated engines to supercruise effectively +>better weather protected stealth coating + +Shit I want +>Airborne laser in the space behind cockpit on the F-35A +>Specific EW variant that can do everything the Growler can do, and more, without the need for external pods +>SDB support for bomb bay +>SDB like missiles for bomb bay +>Full compatibility with stealth drop tanks, either centreline or 2 on wings - with the ability to be dropped with precision as bombs if needed, maybe integrating the fuel-mix that newer Tomahawks use. +>Stealth conformal centreline weapons bay for ACLM or extra Meteors/AIM-260 + +Shit I can dream of +>F-35 with dual seats in place of liftfan/extra fuel (made up by with stealth drop pods) for use for strike roles and loyal-wingman control/coordination +Won't happen because Israel requested it and got told it wasn't feasible +>F-35A but with F-35C wings without hinges, adding 2 extra external hardpoints and increased range for deep strike +Won't happen unless congress blocks export of B-21 to countries like Britain, Australia, Canada and Israel +--- 57870321 +>>57864021 (OP) +paint it white +--- 57870413 +>>57864021 (OP) +I mean it does have external hardpoints. They're just not stealthy. + +Personally, I'd like to give it a second seat for a drone controller or WSO. +--- 57870452 +>>57864021 (OP) +A vagina so I could fuck it +--- 57870469 +>>57867200 +The problem with that is that the F-35 is just too stable for dogfighting. Modern dogfighters are designed somewhat unstable in that once they start turning they want to keep turning or even turn even sharper. This makes them more speed efficient when in a turn-and-burn encounter but less fuel efficient when cruising. It was noted that the F-35 looses more speed in a turn than dedicated air superiority fighters like the F-16 and F-22 indicating that it's more stable. +--- 57870525 +>>57864021 (OP) +Non-binary rest room +--- 57870566 +>>57867367 +>Our inventory of BVR missiles need to be fired at high altitude and supersonic speeds (something that the F-35 is currently specifically prohibited from doing) in order to achieve their full range. +No, they don't. The longer the missile's range, the less the speed of the platform matters. F-35 is capable of using AIM-120. Which missiles are you talking about? Where did you read this information? +--- 57870643 +>>57866662 +--- 57870648 +>>57867200 +>And believe me, if we ever did get into a war with a country with a real air force, the F-35 would invariably find itself in close-up encounters. It's just bound to happen. Missiles don't always hit, and then all of a sudden enemy craft is close enough to either see the F-35 or pick it up on radar. +No. If you get into a dogfight, you're more likely to use your sidewinder (which is why I wish F-35 had better sidewinder support) and run away than get into a maneuvering contest with the enemy aircraft. More importantly, F-35s shouldn't be put into situations where dogfight is necessary when there are dedicated air superiority fighters available. So, I don't believe you. + +>>57870469 +F-22 is a lot more maneuverable and a lot more stable compared to F-16 even if you exclude thrust vectoring. Being unstable is not the only thing that determines how maneuverable an aircraft is. F-35 for sure is less maneuverable than F-16, but in my opinion the difference is greatly exaggerated because it lost some dogfights (not all tests) against F-16 it's intended to replace. The cases it lost aren't really the modern usecase scenarios for the F-35. Also, people seem to compare F-16 unloaded, no external tanks with F-35 full load, this is not a fair comparison. +--- 57870672 +>>57864072 +Anon... +--- 57870706 +>>57867200 +The F-35's stealth capability is nearly unrivaled though. If you can't hit with an AIM inside like 20km (probably couldn't be detected at even that range), you need a new missile, not thrust vectoring. Adding thrust vectoring would up the cost for negligable tactical benefit. For the amount it would cost to upgrade the whole fleet i think i'd rather just have more of them + +For everyone talking about sidewinders >>57866724 +One of the F-35's advantages is the internal weapons carriage, which improves aero performance, drag characteristics, etc. If you throw sidewinders on it, you negate those benefits. It's just not meant to be some dogfighting interceptor in the traditional sense. It's a true multirole that is meant to sneak up on you, outmaneuver you before you even know it's there, and kill you while you have your thumb up your ass. If it ever gets in a turn and burn scenario, the pilot will have had to royally fuck up +--- 57870756 +>>57870706 +So what you’re saying is, sidewinders on over-wing pylons? + +Kinky, but alright +--- 57870763 +>>57870706 +>If you throw sidewinders on it, you negate those benefits. +Retard. F-22 is capable of using sidewinders from internal bays. You can definitely fire sidewinder from internal bays and you can use AIM-9X in stealthy configuration without having to expose the thing longer than you need to fire the missile. The problem is that F-35 doesn't have the rails to do so. But if I remember correctly it'll be getting ability to use the sidewinder at some point. +--- 57870783 +>>57864021 (OP) +sidecar with a machine gun +--- 57870828 +>>57870763 +>AIM-9X in stealthy configuration without having to expose the thing longer than you need to fire the missile. +Correction: You "probably" can in the future. I don't know if it's currently available. AIM-9X just has some capability to lock on after launch not sure if it's actively used now. +--- 57870835 +railgun and laser cannon. Missiles are for boomers and 3rd world countries +--- 57870947 +Remote variant so the airframe can be pushed to its absolute limits. +--- 57871098 +>>57870706 +>If it ever gets in a turn and burn scenario, the pilot will have had to royally fuck up +Like using supply vehicles for frontline fighting? +--- 57872161 +>>57868538 +>>better weather protected stealth coating +Done as of the mid-2010s. +>>SDB support for bomb bay +Done. +>>Specific EW variant that can do everything the Growler can do, and more, without the need for external pods +It already has this to an extent, but Block IV will apparently give the Growler a run for its money +The rest would be great. +>maybe integrating the fuel-mix that newer Tomahawks use. +The newer TLAMs just disperse and then touch off the unspent JP-10 to create thermobaric effects. +--- 57872208 +>>57864021 (OP) +A second engine +If it is named after picrel it should have TWO engines not one, no exceptions +--- 57872384 +>>57867355 +She already has a very hot pussy, you're just not big enough for her +--- 57872716 +>>57870648 +That still leaves the F-35 as far more stable than the F-22 . This doesn't only mean that the F-35 is going to be slower to turn but it's also going to loose a lot of speed in those turns. In a world with High Offbore Shooting, this is basically a death sentence. Having one engine also means you aren't getting the same performance like you'd get from an F-22 because you can only vector the thrust one way. No thrust vectored rolling or throttle steering. Add to this EODAS and helmet mounted cueing and there's little benefit from thrust vectoring. +--- 57872877 +>>57872716 +>In a world with High Offbore Shooting, this is basically a death sentence. +You're still living under the illusion that you can actually avoid modern missiles within human limits or that you can outmaneuver more than one (assuming missiles being used within their specs, not extreme range). + +The reality is that in the next wars dogfights are not expected to happen, being seen and being shot at first is the death sentence. Not being able to outmaneuver a missile is kinda expected, missiles are a lot faster and a lot more maneuverable for its speed than any aircraft except SR-71 which can outrun missiles. + +Let's think about a couple of hypothetical air to air scenarios. +- You engage over long distance (beyond the range of sidewinder). The first one to notice and shoot wins 99% of the time in a contested airspace. No need for maneuverability. +- You didn't detect a target and when you finally detected a target it was close enough for sidewinder. You would send the sidewinder their way and if you're in sidewinder range it would kill >90% of the time (at least mission kill). You wouldn't continue the engagement though, you would turn around and get away from them if you're in sidewinder range. Why? Because you only have 2 sidewinders so if it's not a kill you're in deep trouble, better take the initiative to get out of certain enemy close range missiles than to engage in dogfight. Average need for maneuverability. You don't need to stay on someone's tail, you just need to get a lock in still miles distance and run away. +--- 57872938 +>>57872161 +>Done as of the mid-2010s. +Afaik F-35C's in Naval service have degraded coating. It's still a remarkable feet of engineering BUT the salt air does shit. + +>The newer TLAMs just disperse and then touch off the unspent JP-10 to create thermobaric effects. +I was thinking that they can use the extended fuel tanks up to say 90% and then drop them as bombs. Obviously not as destructive as purpose built bombs but having 2 extra bombs may still be useful. +--- 57873067 +This is a tough ask without knowing what features it DOESN’T have or won’t be getting. Ie, adaptive cycle engines are coming. Sensors are already at the top of its size / weight class. In-flight launch and recover drone modules which are still in development. Umm…maybe a rear-ward facing radar? Super-packed SDB rails if they’re not already coming. Internal drop tanks? diff --git a/k/57864208.txt b/k/57864208.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5b1b22b4420101afbc0acd4dd92c29a9ccc0b117 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57864208.txt @@ -0,0 +1,258 @@ +----- +--- 57864208 +i want a poor tier handgun, because im on a budget. should i get a heritage rough rider, with a 9 round 22WMR cylinder, or a Taurus G3C? +--- 57864262 +>>57864208 (OP) +there have been a lot of m&p9 police trade ins floating around recently for around 300. just make sure its a late model 1st gen m&p that does not have 'stainless' engraved on the left side +--- 57864308 +Taurus G2C for $170 or G3C for $210 +--- 57864344 +>>57864208 (OP) +There are plenty of shields on discount. +--- 57864346 +>>57864208 (OP) +The Taurus is just all around a more versatile handgun for a new shooter to own and use. From my own experience with one, its grip is big enough to comfortably shoot but small enough for conceal carry. +--- 57864397 +>>57864346 +What is their warranty like? If you did a lemon, how much of a pain is it to get it replaced? +--- 57864412 +>rough rider, with a 9 round 22WMR +It's fun but not advised. Get a canik. +--- 57864466 +>>57864412 +anything above 300 is not on my radar right now +--- 57864467 +>>57864208 (OP) +Depends on what you're looking for: are you looking for something more on the fun side, or more on the defensive side? +--- 57864485 +>>57864397 +While I never had to warranty mine out, I know they have a lifetime warranty, so as long as you bought it new, you'll be able to get it warrantied for as long as you own it. +--- 57864508 +>>57864208 (OP) +Also, speaking of the Taurus G3C, consider also the full-size Taurus G3 for around the same price. Comes with a longer barrel and higher capacity, so it might be worth it to go with that instead. +--- 57864513 +>>57864466 +I was at my local sportsman's warehouse and they had the diamondback sidekick for $280. It is double action, 9 shots with 22LR and 22WMR conversion cylinder. I'd go for that as a first gun over the RR is only because DA is a lot more practical for home or self defense. Can use 22LR for cheap practice. Barrel is long enough to give .22WMR some power too. +--- 57864644 +>>57864208 (OP) +Being a poorfag and buying a gut that shoots 22wmr is stupidity. +If its eh it comes with both cyclinders its fine, but if you know you are broke and want to shoot wrm you are a moron. +--- 57864674 +>>57864208 (OP) +if you go cheaper but shoot less often get a .25 auto. + +$100 for the gun and $25 for a box that will probably last you for your life. +--- 57864755 +Go to your local pawn shop and look around for used versions of good 9mm guns +You could also look around for anything in .40 S&W, .45 ACP, or .38 special if you have to +--- 57864772 +>>57864466 +Save up and put it on your radar. +--- 57864799 +>>57864674 +shoudl also add that the "sub-par" firearms are currently running cheap + +so think about picking up a .32(various) or .38 (only) +--- 57864973 +>>57864799 +What does it matter if a budget gun is $50-100 cheaper when the ammo is much more expensive, and the durability is questionable? I would always happily pay that premium for a common caliber. +--- 57865094 +>>57864973 +Model 10s are just fine as long as you dont run +P ammo on them +--- 57865187 +>>57864466 +get a sw 22A for $170 +--- 57865228 +>>57864208 (OP) +taurus g2c or g3c, any police trade in of decent quality, or better yet: wait. $300 is not a lot to work with at all. you *might* get something good, you'll likely get something okay, you might end up with garbage. even just a couple hundred more puts you in the market for a P365 or other great pistol. guns are pricey unfortunately, and it takes a decent chunk of cash at a time to get yourself something good. the best thing to do is just close your wallet until it's full +--- 57865236 +>>57864644 +im not broke, i own an HCAR, i just want to not spend alllllll my money. +--- 57866010 +>>57864973 +that is why you need to ask the guns store owner. + +for example I own a FIE titan, which is cheap for two reasons: +>.25 auto +>made of low quality steel + +if I was shooting hot loaded .357 that would be a problem but most firearms made in the 1970s-1980s are in this category. + +>cheaper steel makes a cheaper gun. +>cheaper steel guns can't handle hot loads. +>doesn't matter because the ammo used is never a hot load. + +as a result things like .32 colt and .25 auto are at the nexus of cheap, low desirability, functional maximization. + +what these firearms are not, is a plinking gun. they are intended to be fired once in a great while and then be left in your pocket for a year, when you go back to the range to "re-qualify yourself" in its use. that isn't of question. what happens, and I will use mine, is that the frilly safety features break down and it makes the gun require a special manual of arms. for example my FIE titan has a bent safety, which means that when in safe I can still fire the gun. I cannon get rid of the safety because it holds the gun together, but as I can just use manual of arms to fix the problem, having it isn't one. + +so if you want to 7+1 the firearm it is basically the same problem as a 1911. have to ride the hammer and not drop it on the hammer. so the safety just turns into an extra trip to prevent you, the user, from accidentally misfiring it. the same can be said of any hammer-inertia-bar or hammer-pin fired weapons. + +so if you are willing to put up with that, then getting these cheaper "out of date" models of guns can overall save you money. but if you want something you are going to burn the barrel out plinking/competitive shooting. then getting the firearm OP mentioned at the top is on the low end. + +I own a six cylinder version, I own the FIE titan, I also own a full size 9mm. they all kill just the same. srsly just go to a gun shop and talk to the proprietor of the store. +--- 57866041 +>>57866010 +out of date but still relevant. +--- 57866883 +>>57866041 +WAY out of date.That's probably the oldest version of that guide. + +Most of the stuff on that list is either discontinued, has at least doubled in price from what's on there or both. +--- 57866990 +>>57864674 +the only .25 autos worth a damn are Beretta Model 20s or 21a (maybe a 950 Jetfire if you're okay with losing DA/SA). And those will be around 450-600 new which is out of OP's price range. anything else is basically a hand grenade +--- 57867079 +>>57864262 +Whats the difference with the stainless? +Different material, or was it just dropped as they continued to upgrade it? +--- 57869222 +>>57866990 +>Beretta Model 20a +you are thinking like a premium. I just saw a tom cat go for $300. + +>.25 auto, a handgrenade +If you were buying a 9mm I would be tempted, but short of using C4 as a propellant a .25 auto won't explode. you could possibly break the gun, you just need to know how much of a gun is true pot metal and who just used a low quality steel. + +the frame and silde of the cheaper guns tend to be made of near pot metal material, that is Zinc alloy. this isn't a problem because if ti breaks at most you will just have a slight bruise where the back end of the slide hit your face. + +the only things that explode are glocks and ignorant operators. there are a lot of stories of people firing .357 out of .38s or .44mag out of .44 spc. these will explode in catastrophic ways, but a .25 auto is so niche there isn't a way to induce a catastrophic failure short of deliberate misuse. so the reason that such a fire arm is undesired is that the cheaper metal would make the gun fail permanently and as I stated with mine, the parts wear to the point of non-functionality. most of the guns still on the market have survived the stresses of time and are hearty enough to that I would trust them short of pulling them out of long term storage. + +so with that a full size Beretta is more of a hand-grenade than any mouse gun could ever be. + +so what I would suggest is that if you can find one of the better cheaper handguns, you can min-max the relevance and get a gun you will probably never fire for cheap, it is reliable enough to stake your life on, small enough to conceal easily, and cheap enough you have no excuse. + +.25 auto has almost no recoil, .25 auto has the same killing force as a .22mag, better if you can find an actual hollow point, and it technically is more reliable because it uses a primer and since you will be CC the firearm you probably won't have spares. + +so I find any excuse by you to be reasons you want to buy a more expensive firearm. +--- 57869244 +>>57864208 (OP) +PSA dagger +--- 57869257 +>>57866041 +>Oct. 19, 2015 +That shit's almost a decade old, it's completely irrelevant, and was barely relevant when it was first posted. +--- 57869268 +>>57864208 (OP) +Don't get the Heritage, save a bit and get a Ruger Wrangler. Trust me. +--- 57869333 +>>57864208 (OP) +I like my Rough Rider, as shitty as it is, and I'd take it to the range over the G3C if I had one, but I also only paid fiddy bucks for it. Depends a lot on what you're trying to do with the gun you plan to buy. +--- 57869370 +>>57867079 +I don't know what anon is talking about, but I will assume he saw one for sell at his local gun store... which probably has a story... + +however. + +Cheaper firearms tend to do things like having zinc-aluminum alloy frames, or polymer frames. these are seen as bad because they cannot handle a lot of pressure and will fracture. as they are considered the primary element of the firearm, "the gun" by the ATF their price is lowered to off set the expense of replacing them. + +lowest quality to highest quality: +>old polymer (1980-2000) (usually a semi auto, gentile use) +>cast metal (zinc alloy) (do not use category, this is actual pot metal) +>new polymer (gucci) +>cast aluminum (cheaper make, sometimes as stronger as steel, problem is cracking from use) +>cast steel-aluminum alloy/cast steel (baseline cheap but good) +>high strength aluminum billet (pretty rare in a standard handgun, basically only used by AR-handguns) +>stamped steel (rare to find in a handgun, usually a WWII era gun) +>steel billet (most common, high grade quality and expense to match) +>high strength forged steel (normally only in revolvers, reproductions) +--- 57869440 +>>57869257 +the guide was knowledgeable about the inaccuracy of its status, as there is a constant shift in the market, what you use it for is to better understand firearms and teaching about SD/HD. + +>you are a poorfag +>you have a need +>if you aren't willing to do what needs to be done, you do not have a need, you have a want. +>quit being a poorfag and make something of yourself +>/k/ loves guns, fuck you + +this guide is NOT about what is best, it is about what is good enough. +a single shot shotgun is good enough, a semi-auto deluxe-pump with a flashlight and red-dot is best. +a cheap ass all polymer hi-point is good enough, a browning high-power with a flashlight-laser is best. +a cricket bolt action .22 is good enough, a gucci 10-22 in a custom bull-pup stock with a magnafier and red-dot is best. + +this isn't about what is best, it is about good enough. +--- 57869466 +>>57864208 (OP) +the heritage rough rider is a toy gun. the tactical cowboy is absolutely worth $170 of toy but it's not a gun i would ever trust my life on. and not because its single action and single action isn't suitable for self defense. which isn't, but zinc frame guns are zinc frame guns even if you aren't concered with the gun exploding + +some retard boomer will tell you that they just throw theirs in the back of their truck and its no big deal because its $150 but its a terrible gun for a first gun because it won't teach you operating fundamentals and it truly isn't built to last more than a couple range sessions. +--- 57869537 +>>57864208 (OP) +Why are you thinking of buying these guns? And why are you on a budget, are you actually a poorfag or are you just stingy? +If you're a poorfag who needs a gun because they need a gun you're gonna have to put aside your wants for a bit and choose something a little more practical. +If you're a poorfag who just wants a gun as a first gun then sure whatever, get the gun that interests you so you can get shooting or something. +If you're just stingy then you're a fucking retard, increase your budget so you're not buying low-tier trash. +--- 57869595 +>>57869370 +i have a zastava m88a which is made of such ridiculously soft low quality bullshit serbian steel that the slide has marks in it from being dropped and having things dropped on it. the slide is fucked because the metal is so soft + +i have a ruger p89 which has a hard molebendium steel alloy slide and it looks and runs great. its 30 years old +--- 57869629 +>>57869595 +the p89 is an aluminum alloy, I would know I own one, it is also clearly stated in the material and wiki. + +as for the zastava m88a, I cannot attest to the quality but it sounds like a mild-steel bordering on true iron, which is rare for a firearm. while that effects reliability it doesn't on safety +--- 57871298 +>>57867079 +>>57869370 + +the m&p first gen actually had about 3 different revisions. they changed the barrel, the trigger bar, and the sear over time. the early guns have the 'stainless' engravings. the ones without the engraving are guaranteed to have all the updated parts and an improved trigger +--- 57871327 +>>57871298 +Did they change from a stainless slide or whatever, or did they just stop putting "stainless" on the slide? +--- 57871358 +>>57871298 +no, the slide is still stainless steel. they probably just wanted to save a buck or 2 by not doing the engraving anymore. the real difference is the barrel's potential accuracy, trigger reset, and overall trigger feel. the early guns had some issues that got resolved over time. +--- 57871366 +>>57871358 +Thanks, anon. That's all I really wanted to know. The rest of the info is good too though. +--- 57871368 +>>57871358 +>>57871327 + +accidental response to my own post. see my last post as the response to your question +--- 57871380 +>>57869595 +>>57869629 +>>57869466 +>>57869370 + +I am going to repeat myself because people don't seem to understand. + +Cheap doesn't mean something is bad. the association with cheap guns being bad is because from about 1960-1980 there was a massive influx of new shooters who were attempting to enter the market under the gun ban. as a result of various gun regulation many manufactures did a lot of weird things to jump around regulations so they could make a cheap, affordable, reliable firearm. + +to start with prior to WWII almost all firearms were made from solid steel billets or forged into shape by a blacksmith. during WWII there was a lot of experimentation with using prefabricated parts and stamped sheet metal to make firearms. the Sten-gun is famous for being made from prefabricated parts and the MP 40 is famous for using stamped sheet metal. the principle here is the less you have to do to fabricate the part into shape the easier to manufacture. + +the famous carry weapons around this time were the .38 LC revolver and 1911. there were a lot of other handguns that later evolved into what we view as "full size service" in that time these were small and pocket-able. there were "ladies guns" but they were not as cheap as most are now. + +at around 1950s manufactures started looking at the next generation, taking examples from older models of semi automatic pistol they sought to make them more slender and less bulky. this lead to the fame of the sub-compact service pistol. this also is where the idea of a .380 apc subcompact comes from. examples are the walther ppk and Baby Browning. + +in the 1960s there was a lot of gun bans so the common parlance switched to .38 snub nose revolvers and .25 acp automatics. +by the 1970s import bans were going into effect and so material resourcing became a problem, cheap Italian and German firearms could no longer be imported. this a weapon like the FIE titan was build so that it could get around import bans. +--- 57871401 +>>57864466 +If that's the case you cant afford to feed the Taurus so stick with the Roughrider +--- 57871436 +>>57871380 +cont. + +by this was relatively stable through the 2000s when the bans dropped. when that happened there was a strong push for .380 acp as it had more stopping power and the loss of interest for .25 auto made it a relic ammunition. as a result there are a lot of good quality relic guns that can and will operate just fine. their reduction in price has to deal almost entirely with their lack of interest due to better quality alternatives. + +as for what killed the .25 auto, it was a mix of the .380 acp and .22lr, which sounds weird because the .22lr is older. the .22 lr killed it because it went from poor reliability to high reliability over the course of the 1990s as manufactures adopted six sigma manufacturing practices. the .25 auto was superior to it for a long time because it used a primer-cap. the .380 acp killed it because it did everything that it could do but also has more stopping power. +--- 57871666 +>>57869629 +The frame is aluminum, the slide is steel. +--- 57872805 +>>57871666 +right... which is the point that the frame, which is where your hand goes is made from a high strength aluminum. + +which is probably 6061 (a well balanced general purpose alloy) or 7075 (a well balanced high quality aluminum alloy) + +What I have been advising against are guns which are branded as "metal frame" which is a deceptive code for die-cast grade zinc alloy these alloys may use more zinc in them than aluminum. Zamac is a popular alloy. Taurus was infamous for using this kind of pot metal in their gun frames back in the day. they still make them for their south American customers, but they very much won't for their north American customers. + +generally if you have a metal frame gun and it feels very light and almost hollow, that is because it is a Zinc alloy. + +all of this however only applies to older guns. tow thins have stopped all the reliability issues, six sigma and improved materials science. polymer is the new problem as manufactures try to figure out how to make the best plastic polymer. pure plastic frames don't work. the good ones are usually closer to a plastic-bonded-fiberglass or HDPE. + +plastics are very up in the air right now and whatever magpul came up with seems to work well enough. diff --git a/k/57864436.txt b/k/57864436.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8af079577fc63ba9c88a81b46d1f343cdeeb6317 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57864436.txt @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +----- +--- 57864436 +90s op, Iraq, Ukraine, idc. As long as your posting aesthetic pics +--- 57864603 +>>57864436 (OP) +--- 57864634 +>>57864436 (OP) +--- 57864638 +Am I the only one who wants to see a firefight between UK cops with MP5s and terrorists with AKs? +--- 57864673 +>>57864436 (OP) +--- 57866821 +>>57864436 (OP) +black and navy blue is the only acceptable color combination for law enforcement, we really need to go back +--- 57866852 +>>57866821 +>black and navy blue is the only acceptable color combination for law enforcement, +my local PD just switched to multiscam +its so over +--- 57866917 +Competitive pistol shooters have a very unique steampunk-y aesthetic, albeit very funny looking +--- 57866927 +>>57864634 +Marines? +--- 57866944 +>>57866934 +>new mombasa, circa 2552 +--- 57866949 +>pierre do you think we look funny? +>non +--- 57866975 +Rhodesia made some robocop looking guns that I really appreciate +--- 57866978 +The germans and the soviets had pretty good aesthetics, especially when it comes to their officers. Too bad they left a bad mark on the style. +--- 57866992 +I've always liked the uniforms that OPFOR guys wear +They're always unique +--- 57867007 +Niggas in Paris +--- 57867037 +>>57867007 +I always like their coats. +--- 57867053 +>>57866917 +give him a leather coat and a top hat and he'll be right at home in Altdorf +--- 57867125 +>>57864638 +I also enjoyed Modern Warfare 3 +--- 57867141 +>>57864436 (OP) +>anesthetics thread +--- 57867403 +>>57864436 (OP) +Id on the shotty? +--- 57867427 +>>57864436 (OP) +Dr. Pavel, I'm GIGN +--- 57867521 +>>57864603 +What season of Brooklyn 99 is this? I don't remember this arc. +--- 57867710 +>>57867007 +That's Speer next to him, isn't it? +--- 57867739 +>>57867403 +Fabarm STF12s folding +--- 57868003 +>>57867007 +left: Albert Speer, architect +mid: Lord Voldemort +right: Arno Breker, achitect/sculpter +--- 57868010 +>>57868003 +meant for +>>57867710 +--- 57868245 +>>57864436 (OP) +Romania late 80s. +--- 57868352 +Not sure when picrel was taken, but it could be '90's. +--- 57868368 +>fwooooosh +--- 57868379 +>>57868368 +Is that a Blackbird? +--- 57868486 +>>57867466 +is that young potato? +--- 57868728 +Siege of Marawi +--- 57869698 +>>57866927 +Yes +Their new thing seems to be the assault shirts are part of the combat uniform now. I'm guessing for comfort with plate carriers due to no center line of buttons? +Also low cut boots and everyone has a M27 or M4 w/ optics and suppressor +--- 57869703 +>>57867579 +I ain’t got no agua +--- 57869721 +>>57866852 +Fags +--- 57869863 +>>57868352 +Gives me larper vibes +--- 57870305 +>>57864436 (OP) +>anesthetics +sure bro :^) +--- 57870773 +t.chad +--- 57872822 +>>57868379 +on the left f-4s, mid is blackie, right are f-14s diff --git a/k/57864687.txt b/k/57864687.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a6183acbf4e8cc4c04ed5ff31551b93646aaf2b6 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57864687.txt @@ -0,0 +1,470 @@ +----- +--- 57864687 +You are forced to fight in a 32 vs 32 battle by Ares, God of War. + +You can choose to equip your team with: +>A. all the most recent tacticool shit, plates, NODs, surveillance drones, current guns, but only LEGAL weapons. By legal, this means legal to buy new for most people, so no explosives, no, no automatic weapons, no artillery. Molotovs and smoke are ok but not grenades. For vehicles you get higher end pickups but not with any sort of crazy armor that would be custom. Comms is modern but drones and comms can't use the internet or satalites so range is limited by equipment. You can use GPS to navigate. + +Or +>B. US WWII era weapons. Most men get a Garand or M1 carbine, but some can have a Thompson, BAR, or a Springfield with a scope. Maybe 1-2 recoiless rifles and some small amount of explosives. I suppose a single flame thrower if you really want it. Guys can have frag grenades. You can have a mortar section, but have no artillery. You also have some belt WWII era belt feds. For vehicles you get a half-track with a .50 cal and some M8 armored cars (pic related), which pack an M1919 .308 beltfed and 80 rounds for the 37mm M6 anti-tank gun. Comms is period radio equipment, navigation is by map and compass. All equipment is good as new. + +All your guys have training with the weapons and time to train together. + +The arena is big but not so big that you can avoid each other for ever, but maybe 10 by 10 miles. There will be a small town and some buildings. + +What do you choose? +Does it matter what the other guys choose? +Does climate matter (woods vs desert, vs mountains)? +What if you have to defend the town? +What if you have to attack the town? +--- 57864978 +>>57864687 (OP) +>mortar section and armored vehicles with machine guns + cannons + +B, obviously. Thats not even close +--- 57865067 +My instict is to say having what essentially comes down to a light tank beats out the modern advantages, but between the 37mm being fairly anemic against infantry and a (small) loophole in that I think a .50cal rifle can penetrate the driver windows, as well as the sides I'm not sure. + +In any case, my loadout would probably be three combat squads of 7 riflemen (ARs with optics) and an AT rifleman (.50 cal rifle). Rest is an HQ squad of bombardment drone pilots, combined with some drones with max loiter time. Each squad is connected to the HQ for real time updates and up to the second orders, allowing for a level of C3 the 1944 team can only dream of. +--- 57865085 +>>57864687 (OP) +The M8s are too much, since the modern side can only touch them frontally with .50 AP or SLAP, and the WWII side has multiple weapons that can range overmatch the penetration envelope. + +Basically the only advantage the contemporary side has is situational awareness and accuracy from optics and NVGs. They are otherwise completely and hopelessly outgunned at every range from standoff to assault, without any meaningful answers to SFMG, mortars or armored cars and without any answers to grenades. The NVGs are much less decisive than they first seem since the WWII side has a mortar section, and thus illum on tap. + +The contemporary side basically has only one and a half viable tactics, which are a concealed rear slope defence/ambush or an incredibly slick deliberate attack. + +If the WWII side can ever find a formed body from the contemporary side, the contemporary side probably has a few minutes to achieve a clean break or they're completely fucked. +--- 57865290 +>>57865085 +>NVGs are much less decisive than they first seem since the WWII side has a mortar section, and thus illum on tap. +Its 3AM when your mortar pit suddenly erupts into flames, and accurate fire from the dead of night begins hitting your sentries, from enemies who have already scouted out all your positions from the sky. A minute later, you finally get some flares in the sky and the M8 has its engine started, only now it's silent, the enemy has vanished and you're sitting there nursing your understrength platoon without a damn thing you can do about it. +--- 57865353 +>>57865085 +The modern side also gets daytime situational awareness with quadcopters. +Modern AP ammo in .50cal or .338 semi-auto rifles will even the odds against the M8s. + +The moderns are at a losing disadvantage vs the GPMGs and mortar, but if they can start the battle on their terms they have the edge. +--- 57865360 +>>57865290 +>I don't know how to site a harbor, and I have never heard of trip flares, jingle wires etc, also I have never operated at night and think it's easy to be quiet, the post +--- 57865376 +>>57864687 (OP) +I'll argue A. Unarmored modern pickups, drones, and modern comms means you always know where B is and you get to pick your engagements. B has the absolute advantage in firepower, but they're fighting blind and mute in comparison even before nightfall. I'm not saying it would be fun or easy, but I think A takes it. +--- 57865391 +>>57864687 (OP) +B and give all my niggas a m1903 and a 4x scope +--- 57865392 +>>57865360 +None of that Hollywood Vietnam fudd shit is worth a wet fart in hell against a modern thermal scope. +--- 57865440 +If you have to either attack or defend a fixed position the modern side is fucked. The heavy weapons will be too much to overcome when brought to bear. + +Maybe the modern team has an advantage of they can try to avoid combat during the day and make use of thermals and NVG? An ambush is going to be hard because they know there is just one other team near them. + +But the ability to get eyes first with drones goes way down in thick tree cover. Something like rural, non-farmland East Coast makes drones pretty much useless for large areas without thermals, and even then you're still limited. + +But then open terrain the advantage of NVG also seems to go down a bit in a different way in that flares can illuminate a wide area. + +IDK, WWII has it. + +This is sort of why I think modern insurgency fantasies are dumb. You at least need some way to get lots of explosives for roadside bombs and mortars. +--- 57865449 +>>57865360 +>picks you off at 2.5km +--- 57865450 +If both sides are well trained and experienced, then the modern team can take advantage of the quadcopters and nvgs to control the fight. If both sides are amateurs then the brute force of the ww2 gear would be better +--- 57865492 +>>57865450 +This is a good post. If you don't know how to run the gear, what to look for with it, how to communicate it, and what to do with that info, the drones and night vision are borderline deadweight while a belt fed will always be a bad day for the person it's pointing in the general direction of. +--- 57865515 +>>57865376 +>and modern comms means you always know where B is and you get to pick your engagements + +How does this follow? Yeah, you have drones, but depending on terrain it's not always going to be possible to find all of them or to keep eyes on it. Even with a drone for every 5 guys to carry around, you're not able to fly it nonstop. + +The pickups are more mobile for a small town in the desert or maybe farmland, but are still road bound in mountains or woods. + +I feel like you're even worse off always staying away since they can just fortify a building and then you have to come to them. +--- 57865574 +>>57865449 +>fires once +>misses due to wind +>targets go to ground +>pinned by mortars +>killed +--- 57865594 +>>57865515 +Recall that during WW2, the fact that the Americans could usually issue a small radio to individual platoons was considered a big deal. Team B is going to have very limited communications and thus limited flexibility. Even if you say drones can't be up 24/7, that still only moves the Intel difference from "unfathomable" to "immense" +>they can just fortify a building and then you have to come to them. +Long range (2km+) sniper fire plus air dropped molotovs and they'll have to abandon +--- 57865598 +>>57865392 +You've never actually tried to probe or attack a well trained light infantry platoon by night, have you? +--- 57865605 +>>57865515 +The worst scenario for the modern side is the enemy dug in deep in brushy areas where sensors can't see them as easily but the beltfeds and explosives can take a toll. The best is if the enemy is staying still in an area at night where you can surround and snipe them with thermals. + +So by this reasoning the best case for the WW2 side is daylight+brush+a deliberate, classic attack giving them time to use the mortar, beltfeds, and armored cars. + +I think the winning maneuver for the modern side is playing keep away with the occasional snipe (its probably best to split forces) throughout the day until the WW2 side digs in at night and baiting them into digging into buildings which can be surrounded, pinned down by thermals, and finally molotoved. +--- 57865611 +>>57865594 +>air dropped molotovs and they'll have to abandon +My god, you're not just noguns, you've never even made a molotov before, have you? You don't even know how they work, do you? +--- 57865629 +>>57865598 +Have you? +Look at the thermal video from Taliban or Ukrainian snipers. WW2 boys have no thermal camo or plexiglass paddles, not that those make much of a difference vs a professional opponent. +3 rednecks with thermals are worth a platoon of WW2 guys without if it's rural area. In an open space, 1 will do 50% casualties in the first minute. +--- 57865643 +>>57864687 (OP) +>You are forced to fight in a 32 vs 32 battle by Ares, God of War. +I peace out and go find the trve chad god Mars Pater +--- 57865644 +>>57865574 +I'm sure your WW2 mortars can immediately isolate and accurately hit the exact spot a single shot was fired from. And that the sniper wouldn't, say, reposition. Or that another element of the modern team wouldn't be engaging the mortars. And, you know, this all assumes the sniper misses. +--- 57865647 +>>57865605 +>and finally molotoved +How do you plan to suppress GPMGs on fixed lines and limits supported by mortars? How do you to get close enough to molotov against a force with grenades? + +Your entire post is a larp dream. +--- 57865650 +>>57865067 +>the 37mm being fairly anemic against infantry +don't forget the us 37 mm had a canister round +--- 57865653 +>>57864687 (OP) +Bro that is literally just a bmp. +--- 57865661 +>>57865594 +Yeah, you just need a 2km line of sight and 32 guys to walk out into the open while you score a hit at that range over and over without ever getting killed by the .50 cal, 37mm, or mortars, all of which can easily reach you. + +Unless, let me guess, all these 2km shots will also be at night? +--- 57865681 +>>57865611 +>You don't even know how they work, do you? +You don't. Were you thinking of lit rags or something? Modern molotovs use a cloth tied to the outside which ignites the gas by chemical reaction. + +>>57865647 +You have people with thermals kill everyone who raises their head or hand until they stop doing it. +--- 57865705 +>>57865611 +>>57865647 +I never said this because I assumed it was so blatantly obvious it needed no explanation, but you do realize when someone in this thread talks about molotovs, they usually mean dropping them from drones, yes? Also, please keep in mind we're only talking about a Platoon vs. Platoon engagement. +--- 57865709 +>>57865629 +Yes, I've literally used NVG and thermals to try to do what you're describing (probe and attack a platoon harbor by night). It's extremely hard to even probe in a 2-3 man group without being decisively engaged. Trying to do a fucking platoon attack by night against another platoon, which also has armored vehicles, and without any support weapons is literal suicide. NVG and thermals aren't magic, and you counter them by siting a harbor properly. + +>>57865644 +Only needs to be vaguely near the sniper to wound or pin him. +--- 57865722 +>>57864687 (OP) +>pickups vs “some” m8s +It’s over before it starts because half of your force is mechanized versus techno-rednecks +--- 57865723 +>>57865515 +I pictured something like this. +>32 guys total +>8 groups of 4 +>each group has its own drone, pickup, and several batteries +>relatively open (desert/lightly forested/prairie) ground +You're absolutely right in that the terrain needs to be permissive enough to actually let A maneuver around B, otherwise they're fucked. But with multiple drones working off of multiple batteries each, if the groups pair off they can at least keep tabs on their local surroundings. You don't need to keep an eye on every person or element in B 24/7, you just need to know where your closest threat is and stay away from them until they're isolated or conditions are otherwise favorable to you. +The goal is not to leave them alone until they hunt you down or fortify a position you have to assault. It's to leverage the information advantage aerial observation gives you by harassing them when it's most favorable to you and bailing along lines of retreat you can verify are safe before they can bring their big scary guns to bear. Ideally you're coordinated enough to pull this off from several different directions in succession. Rinse and repeat until nightfall, where you have an even more concrete ability to make sure you're fighting on your terms. If they do bunker down, taking pot shots at night is probably your only option. +--- 57865742 +What about gas? Do you have unlimited or do you have to secure a pump in the town? + +Because the WWII vehicles will die quicker, but they could conserve and dig in around them, but the trucks will still die and then you're reliant on lugging solar panels around and clear weather to keep the drones up. + +Anyone thinking you'd always have drones up, night after night needs to consider that you'd have to be running the trucks to charge 24/7 to do that. + +You'd either have to do with limited drone use or you'd be out of them in not too long. + +Also, please explain how a commercial drone carries a lit bottle of flammable liquid to a building, presumably while you light it far enough away that you aren't seen and shot? +--- 57865761 +What about gas? Do you have unlimited or do you have to secure a pump in the town? + +Because the WWII vehicles will die quicker, but they could conserve and dig in around them, but the trucks will still die and then you're reliant on lugging solar panels around and clear weather to keep the drones up. + +Anyone thinking you'd always have drones up, night after night needs to consider that you'd have to be running the trucks to charge 24/7 to do that. + +You'd either have to do with limited drone use or you'd be out of them in not too long. + +Also, please explain how a commercial drone carries a lit bottle of flammable liquid to a building, presumably while you light it far enough away that you aren't seen and shot? + +Team Modern is completely irrational, this would be more fair 1-2 squad level, but not with armored vehicles and mortars and cannons. +--- 57865771 +>>57865709 +>It's extremely hard to even probe in a 2-3 man group without being decisively engaged. +Speaking as someone who's never done this, could you describe why that is? +--- 57865774 +>>57865681 +>You have people with thermals kill everyone who raises their head or hand until they stop doing it. +You don't know what fixed lines or limits are. You do not know how to site or employ GPMG in the defence, and so you cannot understand why thermals do not help you break an interlocked arc of GPMG. You are a larper. +>>57865705 +>legal +>inflammible incendiary gas grenade; destructive device +Pick one, or learn to read. +--- 57865794 +>>57864687 (OP) +Cat and mouse game. + +The NODs and drones would allow the A team to identify the enemy and choose the ground for combat. Obviously they would own the night. They would need to stick to that. + +B teams heavy weapons, mortars and armored cars would dominate if contact was made in the day. +--- 57865797 +>>57865661 +>.50 cal +So the .50 cal with iron sights can easily reach me, but my .50 cal with modern optics will miss due to wind +>mortars +A weapon that requires the operators to expose themselves to the sky, when their opponent has drone dropped weapons +>37mm +As I said in my first post, the M8 is the WW2 forces best bet, I agree with this being a big threat. I also believe that any competent modern force is going to prioritize getting eyes on them and disengaging before they can be brought to bear, considering that despite their superior firepower they are still bound by simple viewports to find their targets +>>57865774 +>learn to read. +Take your own fucking advice +--- 57865802 +>>57865774 +NTA but the OP specifically said Molotovs were ok. You’re the one who needs to read fuckwit +--- 57865815 +>>57865797 +>So the .50 cal with iron sights can easily reach me, but my .50 cal with modern optics will miss due to wind +NTA but if the other guy's fifty is belt fed and F/A this isn't terribly unreasonable at actually realistic (read: not 2km+) engagement distances. +--- 57865825 +>>57865709 +> probe in a 2-3 man group without being decisively engaged +No need to "probe." One man with a thermal (or a thermal quadcopter) looks over a hill to see what he can see. If smart, he does it after a teammate in a different direction pops off some shots to stimulate the enemy. + +The Taliban and Ukrainians - neither particularly elite groups - picked off entire squads out of dug in platoons with this tactic over the course of a 5 minute harassment. +--- 57865826 +>>57865771 +Because doing shit at night in a random piece of forest you've never been before is really fucking hard even if you have NVGs and thermals. It's almost impossible to do anything quietly and it's extremely disorienting. Meanwhile you're trying to coordinate yourself into positions where you can see enemy positions, but not in their EAs, without knowing their dispositions ahead of time. + +People who are saying they could totally just do a platoon attack against another platoon by night from standoff are either special forces or have never tried to do any collective infantry stuff at night. +--- 57865841 +>>57865826 +>Because doing shit at night in a random piece of forest you've never been before is really fucking hard +Kek. It doesn't get easier when you take away the thermals, night vision, and most of the radios. +--- 57865856 +>>57865802 +A molotov might be, but he's describing an incendiary bomb that no human being on earth would describe as a molotov. +>>57865797 +Read above. A molotov isn't an inflammable incendiary gas bomb. Next you'll tell me that your air delivered 500lb napalm bombs are totally just molotovs as well. +--- 57865867 +>>57864687 (OP) +I'd want to be on team A. Modern comms and drones means that you get to pick the fights you take, especially if the enemy is bringing their vehicles which will be impossible to disguise the movement of, and NODs means that you are a nigh untouchable boogeyman for 8 to 10 hours a day. If team A gets engaged during the daytime and can't run away, they're gonna get pounded because HE is gud, but doing so will be nigh impossible and a night time attack is going to be brutal for B, especially with modern suppressors. A 20mm rifle is only a single DD tax stamp, even setting aside the fact that it's perfectly legal to buy explosives as a civilian as long as you're willing to pay the DD tax stamp on each of them, and is more then enough to make the thin armor of team B a feasible target. The only time I would change my answer would be if team A is forced to defend an objective and can't pick the time of battle. +--- 57865869 +>>57865825 +Why would the WWII platoon site their harbor without any cover or concealment? +--- 57865873 +>>57865856 +What do you put in your molotovs anon? Normal people use gas and styrofoam. +--- 57865891 +>>57865841 +No one has suggested the WWII platoon is doing anything but harboring at night. Harboring at night is easy to do, and you have training and drills that make sure it is. Fucking patrolling and launching hasty attacks at night is not easy under any circumstances and can't be covered by drills. +--- 57865917 +>>57865873 +Gas (normal car fuel) and styrofoam in an improvised container that's primed and thrown, sure. Inflammible gas mixturrs or a fuze mechanism that makes it an incendiary bomb unit for aerial delivery? We're really starting to push the definition of a molotov here. +--- 57865920 +https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1643903272506327040 +0:25 for a molotov drop. If the modern side buys a dozen quadcopters, a dozen $20 civilian drop attachments from Amazon, and spends an hour making molotovs they might win the whole fight through a screen. +--- 57865935 +>>57865920 +Ngl, that's some impressive accuracy to get the 2nd drop almost down the hatch. +--- 57865937 +>>57865826 +This. Last time I lead a lane for training I did an airfield recon and seizure one every night for weeks. Once opfor was told to try their hardest to defend like they thought they'd be attacked (early runs they just shot the shit all day and waited to get surprise attacked), they spotted and made contact with them not uncommonly. + +And this was guys forced to sit in an open field and to only go so far out patrolling and the attackers knowing the woods somewhat well since they were based there. + +Wandering through the woods silently and making sure you don't run into someone is not easy. +--- 57865941 +>>57865917 +>a FuZe mEcHaNism +It's a paper towel soaked in potassium chlorate. I'm starting to think you've never made a napalm in your life. +--- 57865989 +>>57865891 +>sit still while a thermal drone finds you (or you're followed to your destination during daytime) +>you're static and they know it +>they can emplace teams around you and lock you down in safety, ambush you exiting, or whatever they want at will +When your best case scenario is getting effortlessly surrounded you're probably not a winner. +--- 57866067 +>>57865867 +>Nigh untouchable +They had spot lights, flashlights, and flares during WWII. + +If you're attacking a position well set up for defense you're dealing with guys in fox holes and overlapping fields of fire. They will set up under cover in a wooded area if there is one or near covering terrain. Goggles or none, you will have to get fairly close to get a shot a the guy on watch peaking his head out of a fox hole and will likely be in an overlapping field of fire. + +Even worse if they can get into something like a canyon with only one approach in the desert. + +Also, if A team is picking B off bit by bit every night, does A team sleep during the day? +--- 57866108 +>>57865989 +>Try to go toe to toe ambushing them as they leave during the day. + +I think night attack is As best bet, but that part is dumb and ends in rape. + +I guess it kind of hinges on logistics. If A can't get more power to charge the drones and other grass then it has to attack pretty quickly or lose any advantages it had. + +That means finding and executing a major night engagement in a few days. + +If they can gas and charge up somewhere that's different. +--- 57866124 +>>57864687 (OP) +>What do you choose? +Modern team, 12 .50 BMG rifles with practically any glass and APIT rounds. The rest of the guys have M4gerys with ACOGs and PEQs. As many DJI Mavics as we can physically carry, and Baofengs. Everyone has PVS-14s or better, and a Garmin Foretrex 601. If we can carry molotovs and smoke, that is also good. Ideally I can mix small molotovs under the drone's payload with potassium chloride rags and have suicide drones, but at this point I think it's too easy. +>Does it matter what the other guys choose? +Yes, absolutely. Fighting against armored cars and belt feds is hard even today. +>Does climate matter (woods vs desert, vs mountains)? +Woods or mountains are ideal for me, my entire schtick is to conduct an ambush, and open desert is not conducive to this plan. +>What if you have to defend the town? +I hole up with the .50s at key points and move at night to new locations because I'm assuming I'm getting mortared every once in awhile. +>What if you have to attack the town? +Wait until night, conduct reconnaissance with drones and NODs, pick off everything I physically can. +>>57865709 +60mm HE is not nearly as terrifying as you seem to think. + +t. former 11c +The game plan, assuming wooded terrain with a centralized town, is to take a 4 man team to engage the WW2 Soldiers with harassing fire from a distance. This will get the attention of most of their element, aside from their rear security. As soon as this happens, my other elements, split into two 14 man sections, engage from the opposite end of the town. It's practically suicide, depending on if the belt feds and mortar team gets silenced first, and if the mortar team has PPTs that we fell into. This also assumes the guys with the .50 can manage to meaningfully engage the M8s. + +Maybe it would be better to harass over time, idk. Depends on how long I have. +--- 57866127 +>>57866067 +How close do you think someone has to get to hit a target with modern NODS/thermals, anon, and then compare that range to the square fall of light as a function of distance, even setting aside that turning on a light like that makes you a giant fucking glowing target. Flares only help if your target is an open area where the light will fall upon them and they're in Mk1 eyeball range, while modern optics mean that team A never has to come within effective range of anything but the crew served weapons of team B. You're also acting as though there is a massive number of people involved. 32 isn't a whole lot, and even losing even a handful of men on sentry duty to harassment fire during the first night would be a significant dent to B's manpower. It wouldn't be a multi week process of whittling down, once numbers are depleted enough, team A can be more aggressive. +--- 57866143 +>>57866108 +If A gets unlimited batteries than B should get a recon overflight once or twice a day. +--- 57866177 +How strong is modern .50? This site lists the armor values of the M8, and keep in mind it's steel, not aluminum like many infantry vehicles today: http://afvdatabase.com/usa/lacm8.html +--- 57866188 +Entire platoon with stg 44s. It's a ww2 weapon and it as good as most modern assault weapons. +--- 57866207 +>>57866143 +Meh. I can carry enough batteries to keep NODs going for weeks in my jeans pockets alone, months if I'm being even remotely conservative with expending energy. +--- 57866212 +With no artillery and On a equal dollar:dollar ratio I could defeat any military equipment with civilian equipment +--- 57866226 +>>57866177 +A SLAP round will penetrate 3/4" of steel from 1500 yards, which is more than the M8 is armored anywhere. +--- 57866297 +>>57866226 +according to anon's link, except for the upper front hull, the turret front, rear, and sides, and probably the middle front hull if we take sloping into account. but yeah once the range closes many holes will be poked +--- 57866337 +>>57864687 (OP) +>NODs, surveillance drone +It isn’t even a contest at that point. +--- 57866358 +>>57865869 +The ANA and Russians used cover and concealment too. +You have to look out of the cover to see anything or shoot and that's what the thermal users wait for. +--- 57866469 +>>57866358 +>You have to look out of the cover to see anything or shoot and that's what the thermal users wait for. +You don't. The reasons why you don't when defending have been repeated already, so I won't labor them further. +--- 57866547 +>>57865941 +>It's a paper towel soaked in potassium chlorate. I'm starting to think you've never made a napalm in your life. +Is this the best DKE self-own on the board right now? +--- 57868718 +>>57866127 +I think that in dense forest, spotting a guy just peaking his head out of a fox hole I'm broad daylight requires you to be quite fucking close. Often 20 yards or less if you're in any kind of dense undergrowth. + + +I am getting the impression that people on the "A easily wins because you just sneak up in the night with NODs silently a pick them off" have never once actually tried to cover even a mile off trail in dense woods, let alone find a group in 100 square miles, especially moving off trail with a heavy load on, scrambling up and down chossy ledges with 80lbs on your back, etc. + +Go out into the woods, throw a put a soccer ball down, and walk 50 yards away and see if you can see the bright white object. People talking about 200 yard invisibility, firing from the dead of night with nary a sound to give them away, are thinking of fucking anime. Even if you know "they are roughly over this next hill and another 400 yards" from a drone you can definitely blunder your way into a group. + +Hence, on modern battlefields, some guys have drones and thermals and some don't, but the guys dug in without thermals and drones don't routinely get routed and have their section of defenses collapse. US special forces in the GWOT only raped so hard because they had surprise from an air assault, plus night vision, plus good intel, plus outnumbered a surprised enemy most of the time, plus, most key, had close air support on call for any real trouble. + +Thermals make seeing easier but they don't let you see through trees. + +I will allow that As chances go way up in the woods in winter. I think As chances are absolute shit in thick forest with a dense canopy, especially jungle, where just crossing 2 miles to attack at night will suck, and perhaps more shit in desert because the heavy weapons can get in quickly. + +Urban fighting also favors the heavy weapons and any sort of time limit or objective to defend or attack in X time favors heavy weapons either way. +--- 57868736 +>>57864687 (OP) +B beats A every day and it's not even a contest +--- 57868747 +>>57868736 +Thank you for your valuable input +--- 57868772 +>>57866207 +I think he means for drones. You either need to run a loud gas generator and fill your pickups with gas or charge them off a truck. Drones have kind of shit battery life unless you're using fixed wing, which can't loiter but goes further and faster. + +I have owner a few and used other for work. The ones with very good loiter time that you can use for dropping molotovs are big, so you're not bringing tons of them, and take a long time to charge. Little guys you can take backpacking go suprisingly far and high. My smallest guy is a DJI that weighs a pound and can go 6.4 miles at up to 2,000 feet. It also can't see individual people for shit at that height really. But it takes a while to charge and only runs 20 minutes or less moving a lot. + +If you're high enough but to be heard, you're also high enough that you have to move kind of slow to make sure you spot a lone person in high grass. Tree canopy will still totally block everything. + +Manufacturers clearly state on thermal drones that they can't see through trees, and this is very much true. IDK if really high end shit works better, but what I have used, which is marketed for hunting, isn't going to see a deer in trees but will in brush. Unless of course it is winter, then they will work way better. +--- 57868783 +>>57864687 (OP) +Option A if I get to choose the time of day the engagement takes place in. But if we just spawn right next to each other in broad daylight then Option B. +--- 57868794 +>>57868772 +Not to try and exploit loopholes in the scenario, but there's not much preventing team A from taking a truckload of spare batteries. Of course, then you could argue that there was no explicit limit of how many armored cars team B could take either +--- 57868808 +ITT: Tactical LARPers experience heavy cognitive dissonance and buyers remorse as they realize that even their wish list of civilian gear costing thousands per load out is inferior to a lighter mechanized military with beltfeds, light artillery, and light armored vehicles from 80 years ago. + +Very small numbers, A wins. The bigger the formation the more impossible it becomes. If B gets even a Sherman and a howitzer section it becomes completely impossible. +--- 57868862 +>>57864687 (OP) +Important thing in this OP that I'm not sure is being acknowledged, "10 by 10 miles". I've never been in the military, but is it reasonable to say that team-WW2 could force an engagement with team-Modern within a single day in such a small space? Most posts seem to emphasise WW2 has the advantage in a forced engagement, while Modern is more keep-away (or maybe a very-well-planned night attack). +--- 57868899 +Does B have landmines? + +I agree that As best bet is to try to stay away during the day and attack at night, but B is going to dig in somewhere. If they can lay out a perimeter of mines outside of line of sight, that seems to make things much harder for A. at night. + +Yeah, you can see better, but you're still going to be very hard pressed to see a concealed mine or tripwire, which then alerts the enemy and blows you up. + +Plus, if you're carrying small drones in for constant recon to plan these attacks, you risk getting blown up by a mine and giving the B team a drone or two. Now they can use that to spot you as you sleep during the day and light your position up with 81mm mortars and 37mm shells from miles away. + +Also, infinite 81mm shells make for way better improvised bombs than some sort of gasoline bomb, so IDK if infinite supplies even totally preferences A. B. can make IED trip lines that will destroy a pickup or even take out a small bridge. +--- 57868914 +>>57868862 +Climate again. Open desert, much more likely. Dense forest with few roads, not so much, but then even thermal drones have a hard time seeing, although the vehicles would be easier to spot when not dug in and covered. +--- 57868919 +people are talking supplies and logistics +it's a 64-man battle in an area you could march the width in two days, during which one side will surrender +how many supplies could you possibly need, it's a micro-skirmish +--- 57869018 +>>>57864687 (OP) +>and smoke are ok +>smoke grenades use potassium perchlorate +>potassium perchlorate used by taliban to make IEDs +>unlimited fuel because op a retard who doesn't specify +literally just IEDs, all day err day and team B can't do shit because team A just plant IEDs at night under cover of night and with a drone spotting any team B patrols trying to find them +--- 57869040 +>>57869018 +IEDs work when you know where the enemy is going and you have plenty of prep time. This isn't some 3-month action, the entire battle will probably be over in 2, maybe 3 days +--- 57869210 +>>57869018 +Might as well allow B to use the raw materials in an M8 to make a fighter aircraft, or A to do so too at that point. +--- 57869410 +>>57864978 +Absolutely. WW2 Era small arms aren't far behind modern ones in a practical sense. They're mostly just heavier and less reliable. If the US army decided to go back to equipping their soldiers with M1 carbines, their capabilities wouldn't diminish that far because combined arms win fights. +--- 57869611 +>>57864687 (OP) +>You can have a mortar section, + +This is the deciding factor, as long as your scouts are on the ball and your 536's have hot batts. +--- 57869625 +>>57868808 +lol, it's not even a good model for modern insurgency + +for that you you need to give the WWII team their own drones, NVG, modern comms, and M16s + +then also say A team has the training equivalent of your average Boog enthusiast while the B team has the training of your average National Guard unit + +which just shows that even WWII heavy equipment and base level training is going to make any such insurgency doomed unless it causes defections in large numbers. but larp scenarios normally envision le based boogers taking on their country's military with small arms alone +--- 57872638 +>>57864687 (OP) +I'm going with A if our side is more familiar with the arena. +Guerilla warfare can neutralize the threats that machineguns, mortars, and armored vehicles provide by forcing the engagements to be on our terms. We can have a fireteam with NODs, thermals, and suppressed subsonic rifles take out and sabotage the mortars and vehicles while the other side is asleep then get the fuck out before an alarm can be raised. +Modern camouflage makes it that much harder for B team to see A team while A team will always be able to use thermals to find them. +After that, it's a matter of whittling them down and breaking contact before they can hit us back +By defend and attack the town, do you mean seize control without flattening it? Do you mean that the enemy team isn't allowed to enter town square? Because that matters a lot as well +Terrain absolutely matters. The more open the terrain is, the worse it gets for the modern side bc flares will illuminate a wider area. It remains doable because precision shooting has evolved more, and we can't discount the advantages of air-dropped molotovs +--- 57872704 +>>57864687 (OP) +WWII, mortar team, a scout team to send out, and two teams doing security/reinforcing scouts if needed. Mortars beat guns every time diff --git a/k/57864838.txt b/k/57864838.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4ffccc598864ebeec812f55a12e49cdcbea5e9e2 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57864838.txt @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +----- +--- 57864838 +>chest rig for mission essential equipment +>plate carrier for when you need protection +>hat and ear pro for comms +>helmet for when you need protection +>plate carrier and helmet get stored in assault pack with water and food +--- 57864848 +>>57864838 (OP) +You think people don't already do this? +--- 57865095 +I split up my gear into non-existence because it's a gay LARP and extremely cringe +--- 57865106 +>>57864848 +No. It is not permitted. +--- 57865130 +chest rig over top of a PC sucks. +--- 57865147 +>>57864838 (OP) +I genuinely can't think of any scenario ever for when I would want a chest rig and no plate carrier. +--- 57865153 +>>57865130 +It's 2022.... You can get a stand alone plate carrier and Velcro it behind a chest rig +--- 57865180 +>>57864838 (OP) +It isn't? +--- 57865181 +>>57864838 (OP) +>plate carrier and helmet get stored in assault pack with water and food +Put assault pack, pc and helmet in a duffel bag. Putting your helmet and plate carrier in your assault pack either forces you to use a significantly larger pack or compromises the amount of other shit you can carry. +--- 57865183 +>>57865153 +placard =/= a chest rig. get that 4-dot ellipsis away from me +--- 57865202 +>>57865095 +This guy is anti 2A and probably anti gun and european. +--- 57865309 +>>57865202 +freedom to do something is not freedom from being cringe. nobody is stopping your from playing barbiedoll dressups in front of your bathroom mirror, but they are free to call you a gay larper. sorry that 2nd amendment doesn't cancel out the first, that must be very upsetting for you as a lifelong precious faggot +--- 57865410 +>>57865202 +Instead of investing the $2k+ to increase the future wealth of your descendants, you chose to blow it on things that do not actually improve your ability to defend yourself or your family in any plausible or even nearly-plausible scenario. Who the fuck would you even be talking to on those comms? Headsets are always the biggest giveaway that terminal survival fantasy brainworms have set in +--- 57865443 +>>57865410 +>Who the fuck would you even be talking to on those comms? +>his HD strategy doesn't involve his wife giving him updates on the intruder's location as she observes him via in-home CCTV +ngmi +--- 57865485 +>>57865309 +>>57865410 +>whew lad +The left really cant meme. +--- 57865538 +>>57865410 +>$2k+ +It's pretty funny that this is what you think is a lot of money. +--- 57865913 +>>57865410 +headsets for radio usage are retarded. a set of peltors so you can retain your hearing and tell if someone is speaking to you is not retarded. +--- 57865972 +>>57865410 +This. I am so sick of this larper mentality that people think they are going to band together in the woods with other larpers and talk with comms and get into gun battles with other groups of people. All the while, who is protecting their wife and/or family? Who is protecting their house and/or neighborhood. Where is their supply of food and water, and who is guarding that? +--- 57865979 +>>57865972 +Viking Mentality bro, everyone wives fair game +#RAIDERLIFE +--- 57866031 +>>57864838 (OP) +I always wear one boot and one sneaker +This way I can run faster and have better support at the same time +--- 57866189 +>>57865972 +bold of you to assume i have a wife or family +--- 57868334 +>>57865410 +>Instead of +>Implying +You've admitted you're too poor to do both. +--- 57868683 +>>57864838 (OP) +>chest rig for mission essential equipment +There is no mission other than gettig new poptarts, anon. You will not need a chestrig for that. +>plate carrier for when you need protection +From what, reality? +>hat and ear pro for comms +You don't have friends, anon. +>helmet for when you need protection +Should've worn one as a child, maybe you wouldn't be disabled now. +>plate carrier and helmet get stored in assault pack with water and food +What are you going to assault, the fridge? + +>>57865202 +You forgot Reddit, tranny, democrat, gay and brown. +--- 57869655 +>>57865147 +This is common with snipers, they take off the chest rig when they take up position +--- 57869706 +>>57865147 +Moving a long distance with a carrier on is a pain in the dick, if you can just wear the rig and stuff the carrier in your pack until you need it, it helps a ton. +--- 57872207 +>>57869706 +>Moving a long distance with a carrier on is a pain in the dick +Get a better plate carrier and it won't be a problem. diff --git a/k/57864849.txt b/k/57864849.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..bcd55b44eb32905b0b6273ee2328bcbf5c719ec2 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57864849.txt @@ -0,0 +1,222 @@ +----- +--- 57864849 +They make a tank. Describe it. +--- 57864901 +Amphibious, auto loader, air droppable +--- 57865016 +>>57864901 +APS, crewless turret, thermal camo +--- 57865019 +>>57864901 +Starts out being 10x the cost of an Abrams, drops to about 2x after a few years of full rate production. Everyone thinks it's still the 10x cost anyway. +--- 57865050 +>>57864849 (OP) +Restoring U.S. overmatch in combat vehicle maneuver will require rethinking how to design, +develop, and employ mobile striking power. A fifth-generation system will require masking and +speed as definitive characteristics. The systems should also be maximized to operate in a +heavily degraded environment, allowing formations to move across the LRPF battlefield under +intense jamming. They must be un-targetable by most of the enemy’s sensors to frustrate +enemy decision-making. Leading the way, these 5GenCVs could generate the rapid freedom of +maneuver that can achieve tactical objectives by defeating enemy forces in multiple domains. +--- 57865051 +>>57864849 (OP) +500000000% profit margin +--- 57865070 +This started off as a shitpost but now I legit want LM to make a tank. +--- 57865071 +>>57865050 +perfect, I can feel my tax money disappearing already +--- 57865087 +>>57864849 (OP) +- stealth (but only from one angle) +- expensive +- needs constant maintenance that requires proprietary tools that they won't sell +- fast (but slower than an Abrams) +- can be remotely driven (and ransomwared) +--- 57865104 +Bob Semple but with a go pro and a pilot a thousand miles away shooting canisters of mace with software designed to prioritize Arabs school children first. +--- 57865166 +>>57865087 +>the inventory management software works brilliantly until you need to swap out a part in the field or use a HF link +--- 57865211 +>>57864849 (OP) +Most reliable transmission and suspension of any tank, ever +>People still point out some early testing in which a tank wasn't allowed out in the rain because it was still not officially certified for rain yet + +Fewest training incidents ever for any new tank +>People still point out one time someone drove over a 8" thick tree that snapped a tread, even though most tanks could just as easily snap under similar strain + +Most advanced sensors of any tank, ever, and even features built-in EWAR capacity to no-sell cheap enemy drones. +>People still cope with JustAsGood or It'sTooComplex + +Features crew as diversity benefit +>loader is black + +Costs twice as much as an Abrams +>Only if you account for tank hulls paid for back in the 80s and 90s, as opposed to making entirely new Abrams to similar spec in 2023 dollars + +Some sorta new stealth bs +>No, actually that works pretty well. People still cope about it though + +Active protection using some expensive thing that works better than advertised +>Cope about ERA being JustAsGood, see above + +Features an encrypted command-vehicle tier comms/nav system that can share target data so seemlessly you'd think you were an omniscient god +>Thirdie cope about American tax dollars while they're using unencrypted Baofengs and garmins + +Videogame tier thermal/night vision capability, with multiple cameras so crews can see through the tank using an integrated helmet HUD +>Nyet, tank hatches and periscopes are fine comrad +--- 57865234 +>>57864901 +Hybrid powertrain, 180mm smoothbore cannon, gun-launched Hellfire compatible, comes with a UGV ammo tender. +--- 57865248 +It ends up being shit because they don't have experience designing or building tanks. +--- 57865285 +The secret is complexion detecting technology used in phones today in order to help lighten up swarthy and even dark skin tones for detection. By grading the contrast, the software detection system can better home in on the most typical of middle eastern phenotypes. The second trick is to detect articles of clothing. Backpacks for example are often worn by students and heavily weight the targeting matrix to prioritizing these threats first. +--- 57865295 +>>57864849 (OP) +It'll go through 3 redesigns, and because of Lockheed's excessive use of subcontractors for parts, it'll take 10 years of slow-rate production to fix issues.... +Just like on the F-35. +--- 57865319 +The Mk. V mace canister has a hit probability of 83% at 150 yards. The chance of an instantaneous fatality on targets under 5'6 is around 99%. The canister itself is the weapon- the mace acts to prevent loved ones of the deceased from recovering the bodies, allowing assets to dispose of statistics and deny war crime charges. +--- 57865327 +>>57865295 +allegory and analogy are supposed to be subtle, you were already being extremely on-the-nose with your first sentence, so throwing in +>Just like on the F-35. +is utterly unnecessary and only serves to further demonstrate your dull wit +--- 57865379 +>>57865327 +Yeah you're right. Just observing the situation but holy fuck that guys post was painful to read. Glad somebody said it +--- 57865385 +>>57865295 +>excessive use of subcontractors for parts + +congress: "why should I fund more f35 purchases?" +lockheed: "we build x parts in your district, muh jobs muh america kek " +congress: "ok infinite funding unllocked" +--- 57865388 +>>57864849 (OP) +>It can fly +--- 57865405 +>>57865051 +/thread, the general who approved it also gets a spot on the board after he retires +--- 57865466 +>>57864849 (OP) +>$20 million per unit +>5 man hours of maintenance for 1 operational hour +>Export monkey models are backdoored by Locksneed/glownigs and require Lockheed technicians to service except for the Israelis, who get their own variant built to their specifications +>crewless missile turret, 3 man crew, artificial intelligence assisted, optionally manned +>Main armament is a modern version of CKEM capable of penetrating completely through an entire tank, coaxial is M242, roof mount space for RWS of choice +>Integrated APS and ECM, and vertically launched and recoverable recon drones +>thermal camo nets over thermal camo and RAM baked into armor/hull +>main optical sensors are cameras giving 360 degree visibility to crew using F-35 helmets, periscopes can be retracted into hull when not in use +>Completely invulnerable to any existing ground based AT weapons from the front and turret without additional armor packages +>Gas turbine engine +--- 57865686 +>>57865327 +>>57865379 +Nothing of that post is untrue. + +In the original design, both wings and top center fuselage section was made as a single massive piece. Lockheed had invested in custom designed facility equipment to move this massive piece around during production. The airplane had to go through three cascading redesigns becomes of that issue. This was in early production. It was the biggest initial setback. + +The subcontractor part is also true. The majority of delays and quality issues stemmed from an overuse of subcontracting. That was part of the selling point of the Lockheed's JSF proposal, to spread out production across as many states as possible to gain the support of senators. Go look it up, the number of subcontractors has more than halved because Lockheed had to deal with so many fuckups. + +General Dynamics on the other hand, did almost everything in-house. They even manufactured their own fucking rivets. Those guys had perfected production to where they were rolling an airplane out A DAY. + +Just because it's American, doesn't mean you have to suck their dick. +Jesus christ. +--- 57865752 +>>57865686 +>both wings and top center fuselage section was made as a single massive piece +i remember that fiasco +didn't they also spend hundreds of millions of dollars on custom made autoclaves that could fit the huge piece then afterwards they just sold them off for scrap +--- 57865758 +Overpriced yet exceptionally low observable. +--- 57865813 +Counter-rotating treads with a third tread in the back for extra propulsion + +Counter-rotating turrets with a third turret on top to compensate for torquing + +Actually three turrets does sound nice +--- 57866019 +>>57864849 (OP) +--- 57866145 +>>57864849 (OP) +IT'S BIG, SCARY, AND PINK! +--- 57866175 +>>57864849 (OP) +Nothing personal kid +>Crushes the global competitor options while being lower priced +All while generating seething posts about it being too costly and too complex +--- 57866190 +>>57864849 (OP) +the most advanced Tank in the next 50 years but it costs 200 billion dollars for R&D and then costs 50 million per unit +--- 57866879 +The main battle tank made by Lockheed Martin is a revolutionary vehicle that pushes the boundaries of technology, engineering, and combat capability. This tank, known as the "Lockheed Martin X-100", is designed to be the ultimate weapon on the battlefield, combining advanced systems and capabilities to dominate any opponent. + +The X-100 is built with a new type of nanocomposite armor that can instantly adapt to incoming threats. This armor is able to sense and analyze the direction, velocity, and energy of incoming projectiles, and deploy nanobots to reinforce the armor in real-time, reducing the damage caused by enemy fire. + +The tank is powered by a fusion reactor, providing limitless energy to the vehicle and its onboard systems. It can reach speeds of up to 100 miles per hour on any terrain and traverse difficult terrain easily thanks to its advanced adaptive suspension system. + +The X-100 is armed with a modular weapons system that includes a railgun capable of firing hypersonic projectiles at extreme ranges, and a directed energy weapon that can rapidly incinerate enemy targets. It also features a suite of drone swarms that can be launched from the tank to conduct reconnaissance, surveillance, and attack missions. + +The tank is equipped with a fully autonomous operating system that includes advanced artificial intelligence algorithms capable of making split-second decisions and adapting to changing battlefield conditions. Its crew of two can operate the tank remotely from a secure command center, providing additional protection and flexibility in combat operations. + +The X-100 is also equipped with a quantum communication system that allows it to transmit and receive information instantly across vast distances, providing unprecedented situational awareness and connectivity to other friendly units. +--- 57866901 +Army, Marines and Navy buys 10,000 of them before even one has rolled out from the assembly line +--- 57866979 +>>57865686 +>Nothing of that post is untrue. +The truth is elegant, you are merely describing "fact." +I take offense to some retard seeing a thread that is clearly designed to allow people to take pot-shots at Lockheed Martin's past projects without outright saying that's what they're doing, being an unfunny twat with their crack at it, and then having the audacity to label the joke afterwards - just in case anyone got confused by the deep intricacies of the fucking F-35, the most extensively documented and discussed military procurement project in recent history. + +Clearly taking offense was the correct call, because your post is more unsubtle, unfunny soapboxing about the F-35, the very thing I called out, and you don't so much as bother trying to tie your prattle back to a hypothetical Lockheed Martin MBT project even once. +Disgraceful. +--- 57867624 +>>57866879 +When you ask ChatGPT to write a press release. +--- 57867657 +>>57864849 (OP) +Three large car engines welded together at the front of the tank as protection +Turret bussle longer and wider than the tank hull itself is wide and long +A second gun to make it like red alert +The infantry are all in the turret not the hull, meaning the tank actually fares better running away. +--- 57867668 +>>57864849 (OP) +>Expensive to taxpayers +>Do y'all need an intern? +--- 57868120 +>>57864849 (OP) +one word. lasers. +--- 57868133 +>>57867657 +>A second gun +On the back of the turret, so it never has to traverse more than 180 degrees. +--- 57868199 +>>57864849 (OP) +Game changing stealth tank +Everybody hates it +It's actually good +Canada spends years seething about Leopard 19 and Challenger X before buying it anyway +--- 57868236 +>>57865405 +>>57865051 +--- 57869833 +>>57864849 (OP) +Autoloader, full 360 VR helmet coverage for crew, integrated autonomous drone providing real time intel from an area up to 2km, completely automated turret, autonomous LMG, 360 APS, amphibious, modular, thermal camouflage, diesel electric engine + +the costs of a single unit corresponds to full healthcare coverage for 100 Americans for 2000 years +--- 57869935 +>>57869833 +I think this post was supposed to be funny and/or amusing but it is trite and you are boring. +--- 57869971 +>>57864849 (OP) +Slow. Useless. Expensive Needs to be flogged by literal government agents to unwilling buyers. Supports the rapidly shrinking US middle class +--- 57870144 +>>57869935 +sad fags are a thought crowd +--- 57870236 +All the thirdies and traitors seething so hard at LMCO kek. they just make what the military asks them to and they're fucking great at it. +--- 57870800 +VTOL diff --git a/k/57864904.txt b/k/57864904.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a4fe1958ebeb782ce5e541a72b1f0161c7628fe7 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57864904.txt @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +----- +--- 57864904 +Most based rifles still legal in CA? + +Not a poorfag. +--- 57864926 +Fightlite SCR +--- 57864955 +>>57864904 (OP) +Just buy the cucked CA version of whatever AR, SCAR, etc you want off riflegear and then convert it to normal afterwards. +--- 57864996 +>>57864904 (OP) +>obeying law +Good subject. +--- 57865045 +>>57864926 +This +--- 57865083 +>>57864904 (OP) +M1A or garand. You can also get the eastern block dmrs such as a m81 or svt clone +--- 57866220 +>>57864904 (OP) +--- 57867045 +>>57864904 (OP) +An M14gery but in particular if you can afford it either an older Springfield Inc. M1A (ideally 5 digit S/N with USGI parts) or an LRB/Bula/Fulton Armory. Maybe Norinco if you can get a good deal on one and give it a good once over. + +Although people meme about the M14 being the "worst military rifle ever" it really wasn't and it makes for a pretty good civilian rifle. Accuracy and sights are good, balance is great, ergonomics are more traditional but work well, magazines and parts are readily available. You can even get an 18" if you prefer something a little more compact. +The only CA modification needed is a substitution of the flash hider for a muzzle brake, which is often available as an option. +Yes they are expensive for what you get, but there is no need for fin grips or pinned magazines. Plus if you want to go cheaper a used M1A that's not one of the older more desirable ones can be had for sub $1500. I see them trading hands on Calguns for about $1300ish which is within spitting distance of SKS and Ruger Mini-14 prices, both of which are rifles that the M1A shits all over despite being towards the meh end of M14 clones. + +I have owned Mini-14s, Garands, Kel-Tec SU-16s, SKS, ARs, G3, FAL, AK and an M1 Carbine in California with all manner of ways to have them legal. The best overall and most satisfying to own have consistently been the M14s. +--- 57867061 +>>57864904 (OP) +Do >>57864926 if you don't mind spending money. You can also just do an ar with a featureless stock or grip. Featureless grip is cheaper, but the thordsen stock looks (marginally) better. +--- 57868067 +>>57864904 (OP) +garand with an ultimak rail? +--- 57868088 +>>57864904 (OP) +HK SL8-6 if you’re a cool guy. +--- 57868119 +>>57864904 (OP) +I'm not american, but what is stopping someone from just driving to a different state and buying a gun there? +--- 57868143 +>>57868119 +the police set up checkpoints along state lines. They also check people's plates at gun shows. + +In the future with EV's/Smart Cars the ATF will also use this to establish probable cause. + +You can call me a schizo but I'm right +--- 57868157 +>>57868119 +You don’t even have to go to another state most of the time, between the barely legal (for CA) stuff in stores and the stuff people bring in, the only real limiters are hicap mags and ammo, the ammo is solved with enough money and mags aren’t regulated in most other states or age restricted. You may not be able to buy the latest and greatest most of the time, but there’s still Tavors, AKs, ARs, etc available. +--- 57868161 +Why do you faggots continually generate this thread? Literally go buy a finished lower and build whatever you want. +--- 57868168 +>>57868143 +probably not the atf but whatever unholy agency enforces California's unconstitutional gun control laws will probably use wifi/cell triangulation, closed source vehicle data and real time tracking to know where people have been and use that to justify kicking down people's doors. Hell even apps like Uber probably if it's tied to a person's identity. + +All the enviromental bs is an excuse. They want to restrict private car ownership and therefore relegate people to cities while isolating their political enemies +--- 57868169 +>>57868143 +And yet you can’t post a single piece of evidence that this happened to someone who wasn’t looking for personal gain and in fact you can’t post evidence about that either. + +Because it never happened, it’s campfire stories. AKA Bullshit +--- 57868174 +>>57868168 +Yeah except they have better things to do with the defunded police departments here. +--- 57868226 +>>57864904 (OP) +Springfield Armory has a lot of good options for you. An M14 or M1 carbine would be good options. It depends on want you want. + The M14 and Springfield M1A are chambered in 7.62x 51 and are bigger heavier rifles than the M1 carbine that is smaller and easier to carry and chambered in .30 cal +--- 57870291 +>>57868088 +I like this answer +--- 57870630 +>>57868161 +because getting pounded in the ass by jamal at san quentin isn't what everybody wants. +--- 57870770 +>>57868143 +Do they? I drive to Nevada with my funs a few times a tear and I never see these checkpoints you’re talking about. Just that weird agricultural checkpoint thing where they don’t even have you stop. + +>t. Calicuck +--- 57871494 +>>57870770 +It’s just schizos and bad actors trying discourage something that is effectively unenforceable, they never go out of the house or shoot so they just generate paranoid conspiracies. +--- 57871732 +>>57871494 +On his other point I heard that if I pop into a gun store in Nevada they won’t sell anything to me because of my ID. I understand not selling guns and mags, but would that bar me from buying anything else? In Reno a few times a year and never checked out any gun stores there because of this idea +--- 57872427 +>>57864904 (OP) +Hcar in .30 cal and Scar h. Nothing more based and rapey +--- 57872489 +>>57868088 +Gay shit you fucking nigger. The gayest thing. Unless you are a super rich faggot. Then it's understandable +--- 57872584 +>>57870770 +>>57871732 +Reno and Las Vegas PD do/have coordinated with CHP in the past targeting out of state buyers for straw sales and bulk magazine purchases from gun shows. + +They stake out parking lots and watch for CA plates, wait to see what they bought, and then either arrest them if they’ve broken NV law or follow them to the state border and turn it over to CHP. + +Usually it’s for criminals/gangs and I don’t know if it has resulted in any prosecution, but it has happened in the past. +--- 57872922 +>>57864904 (OP) +Just do what >>57864955 says, unless you want to comply for the aesthetic/have something historically interesting a few months from now when the feature bans finally get Rogered diff --git a/k/57864918.txt b/k/57864918.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..80728f589a9201766b0956c6b39244cdc9f5277f --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57864918.txt @@ -0,0 +1,285 @@ +----- +--- 57864918 +You guys don’t actually do this, do you? +--- 57864937 +>>57864918 (OP) +No, I make my own coffee at home. Saves money. +--- 57864950 +>>57864918 (OP) +Im not a retard that thinks being an attention whore in public under the guise of "testing laws" or some bullshit. +--- 57864957 +>>57864918 (OP) +No. I don't consume goyslop. +--- 57864966 +>>57864918 (OP) +Open carrying any black gun will make you look at-risk +--- 57864970 +>>57864918 (OP) +No i don't interact with women +--- 57864977 +>>57864918 (OP) +cant have nice things around nogs +--- 57865007 +>>57864918 (OP) +would the bitch with the ar. dyed hair will destroy my life but not before i destroy her +--- 57865112 +>>57864918 (OP) +>giving feds the excuse to attempt to detain me/confiscate my guns/shoot me +Nah. I keep my guns at home. I only conceal carry handguns if I want to go out but because im not an idiot, ive never had to draw it. +--- 57865323 +I live in Florida +so I can't even do it +>just take a fishing pole +Yes because the meatheads in the police/sheriff department would know about the loophole +--- 57866059 +>>57865323 +>he doesn't know +https://youtu.be/i93eUPWupy4?t=736 [Embed] +this guy and others like him teach florida police for you +--- 57866119 +>>57866059 +This is so unbelievably cringe. +--- 57866140 +>>57866119 +the word you're looking for is bringe +--- 57866201 +>>57866119 +I don't know. It's so over the top that I actually find it to be kino. As an american, I've started to just really embrace and exaggerate american shit like this and it makes living here so much more entertaining +--- 57866229 +>>57864918 (OP) +Nah, I know how to properly sling a rifle. +--- 57866369 +>>57864918 (OP) +>Durr durr I got idea +>Let's have two different calibers +>That way we will look cooler +>It's not like we'll ever have to share mags together +--- 57866374 +>>57864918 (OP) +I want to have that option but I probably wouldn't do that myself. +--- 57866728 +>>57864918 (OP) +Yeah +--- 57866758 +>>57864918 (OP) +1. I don't drink coffee +2. Many open carry was done as a protest against the anti-handgun open carry policies of states like Texas. +Texas used to criminalize open carry of handguns to the point your property could get confiscated even if you were on your own driveway. They had no laws against open carry of long guns so people open carried them to demand Texas state politicians fully legalize open carry of a handgun. +The protest succeeded. +--- 57866760 +drink tea? +hell no, I'm an American +--- 57866812 +>>57864918 (OP) +>>57864966 +I wear a WWI era Swiss officer's trench coat, while open carrying a full length Schmidt–Rubin Infanteriegewehr Modell 96/11 with bayonet affixed. +Yes, I do this. +Yes, I have autism. +--- 57866878 +>>57866119 +>>57866140 +>>57866201 +you are all pussies responsible for making everything worse +--- 57866884 +>>57864970 +Don't? Or can't? +--- 57866887 +What's the tactical advantage to using a long rifle at subway? +--- 57866896 +>>57864918 (OP) +Why not? The employee might look terrified but I bet she's wet as fuck. +--- 57866923 +>>57866059 +>MCNASTY +>I'M GOING FISHING +100% kino +--- 57866932 +>>57864918 (OP) +I fucking wish I could do that. You mutts deserve to lose your guns, cowering and throwing shit at people who actually embody the American spirit. +--- 57866950 +Best way to sneak candy into the theaters +--- 57866994 +>>57864918 (OP) +If I'm coming back from hunting or shooting, sure. No sense leaving my gun in the car to get stolen. Noguns pussies are to seethe and cope if they wish. +--- 57866995 +>>57866119 +>Baits cops +>Make them look stupid +Cry commie +--- 57867016 +>>57866119 +It's cringe that I can't open carry without doing this retarded shit in the first place +Fuck the Florida Rinos for keeping this retarded law PLACED BY A FUCKING DEMOCRAT in place +--- 57867043 +>>57864918 (OP) +If I am with a buddy, sure. But I wouldn't do it alone because it will make me a big target. +--- 57867049 +>>57867043 +You're already a big target because you're a 300 pound faggot coward +--- 57867054 +>>57866758 +Texas still has laws restricting handguns by having you be over 21 to own a handgun, but a rifle is fine for an 18 year old. +--- 57867072 +>>57867049 +>letting people know what you got foor defense +--- 57867081 +>>57867072 +Ok, tacticool beardo +--- 57867095 +>>57866812 +That just makes you a LARPer which I'm not saying with a strictly negative connotation since I like my Peacemaker +It's odd but novel which can work to one's advantage +Open carrying any "tactical" guns on the other hand will draw the sort of attention one should avoid +--- 57867103 +>>57866059 +Imagine thinking you're teaching people "lesson" when you're making your own cause look worse and causing more people to hate you and firearms. +--- 57867115 +>>57864918 (OP) +Not yet, no. Don't have constitutional carry at the moment. Moving soon, however. +--- 57867117 +>>57866812 +>WW1 swiss officer coat +Try wearing a WW2 german officer trench coat +--- 57867124 +>>57866887 +Where do you see him using the rifle in that image, snart? +--- 57867127 +>>57867095 +You already draw attention by being white in a black neighborhood, you fucking neo fudd + +>>57867103 +Nigger he is carrying in Clearwater Beach which is full of retarded snowbirds from antigun areas and dealing with pigs +They already hate firearms to begin with +--- 57867139 +>>57866994 +/thread +--- 57867164 +>>57866369 +You have autism +--- 57867252 +>>57867127 +It's not attention in of itself but the sort of attention +I didn't say not to carry those sorts of guns at all, but you CCW a Glock and don't bring an AR-15 into a Subway +I don't know why you injected the scenario of being white in a black neighborhood out of nowhere, but I've had relevant experiences and they tend to give me even more of a pass +Mainly because they think it's (unironically believe it or not) cool or at least entertaining, I shit you not +--- 57867468 +goddamnit, they stepped on the snek +--- 57867488 +>>57864918 (OP) +>Can't afford a $3 drink +>Can't afford a lawyer for wrongful arrest +No. +>>57866059 +I like this fishing guy. +That female cop at the start must not know any hapkido if she grabbed him like that. +--- 57868404 +>>57864918 (OP) +waiting for the day when someone tries this, gets shot dead and then the robber steals the gun and runs off. +seriously, shocked that it hasn't happened yet. +these guys do realize that those things are useless until they point the barrel at the thing that they want to destroy, right? +--- 57868581 +>>57866059 +so do you just eat shit in this situation if you're poor +--- 57869078 +>>57867124 +>Where do you see him using the rifle in that image, snart? +Brandishing a gun is using it +--- 57869225 +Open carry with rifles is cringe + +Open carry with handguns is based +--- 57869368 +>>57866995 +>acts like attention whore +>gets detained by police and put in a time out box +>"no um ahksually you're the dumb one here" +Imagine being this retarded +--- 57869464 +>>57864918 (OP) +We are 3% minutemen sheepdogs, so its our God Given Duty to enetr school cafeteria with Modern Sporting Rifles equipped with Standar Capacity Magazines and proclaim it a sovereign citizenship autonomous zone in accordance with the constitushon of our Foundling Fathers. +The Dollar Tree must be refreshed with the blood of its customers and cashiers. +--- 57869475 +>>57869225 +Open carry in general is cringe. +Illegally concealed carrying in your compromised state is the highest level of based you can hope to achieve. +--- 57869480 +Open carry in public has done as much for gun rights as fat, ugly trannies in skirts in public have done for trans rights. +--- 57870389 +>>57866059 +What kind of lunatic wakes up and decides this is what they're going to do today? +--- 57870414 +>>57864970 +This is the way +--- 57870529 +>>57870389 +I know, right? Why would someone decide to be a retard and not know the laws they're supposed to enforce? +--- 57870542 +>>57869480 +Very fitting comparison actually lmao. +--- 57870613 +anyone who open carries a long gun outside of hiking/hunting is actively damaging the public perception of gun rights and is a retard, change my mind +--- 57871182 +>>57870613 +This. The public will never be able to handle open carried rifles we should just lock them up at home and make sure to take measures the public never gets used to see guns being open carried. +--- 57871225 +>>57871182 +Lmao, there’s always one of you autists in a thread like this. +--- 57871389 +>>57870613 +because of people like you this is a self perpetuating problem +if everyone carried them everywhere nobody would care because it would be normal +instead you hide away so that when one of these people do carry it "hurts" public perception +the fact that this is even an issue to begin with proves how fucked gun rights are in America and the people in general +>exercising your rights is cringe bro! don't you see how you're scaring soccermoms into voting away their rights?! +death spiral +--- 57871597 +>>57864918 (OP) +No, that's reddit and alt-Fb level stupid. +--- 57871907 +>>57864918 (OP) +Yes it's our god given right and the constitution says you can. +--- 57871917 +>>57864937 +Fpbp coffee shops are criminally over priced. I take a fat thermos of homemade coffee to work every day. +--- 57871939 +>>57870613 +Your enemies hate you faggot lmao they don't even want you carrying them in the middle of a forest you fat fag go to their neighborhoods and carry 6 guns at once to make them mad they're never gonna change their opinion you chubby moron +--- 57871961 +>>57866059 +Bless that cop that ran out there first +--- 57871993 +>>57864918 (OP) +>Cops will shoot you on sight if they hear some random gun go off a street away +>You'll always be at risk of getting robbed at gunpoint for your rifle, some people will profile you and find out where you live and burglarize your home later +Open carrying is retarded and brings bad attention. I don't want people to know I have guns until it's too late for them. +--- 57872011 +>>57867117 +Like normies could tell any difference +--- 57872146 +>>57866812 +Honestly, If I saw that I’d assume it’s a demilled piece and you were coming from some kind of performance +--- 57873051 +>>57869225 +Open carry for handguns is for boomers that are too fat to concealed carry anything bigger than a Beretta tomcat +--- 57873090 +>>57869480 +This honestly +I'm both gay and a gun nut but I sure as hell don't want to associate with the mainstream culture of either group; the only people that know I'm into guns are people I shoot with and the only people that know i'm gay are the twinks I fuck... +--- 57873091 +>>57864918 (OP) +>ugly plastic modern soulless guns +I would unironically ban them from my store. if a larper came in wearing tiny short shorts and with a FAL he could stay or a guy in a trench coat slicked back hair and a couple of model 27s in shoulder holsters he could stay too +--- 57873112 +>>57866201 +that actually sounds based, can you give us some stories or examples? +--- 57873159 +>>57869480 +are you saying it actually works? +--- 57873248 +>>57871993 +>You'll always be at risk of getting robbed at gunpoint for your rifle, some people will profile you and find out where you live and burglarize your home later +Do criminals in America do this? The guy with a gun obsession would not be my first choice to rob. +--- 57873302 +>>57866059 +What if this guy was black +They woulda shot him dead from the road lol diff --git a/k/57865136.txt b/k/57865136.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..91d7ba7b12cfea1a79fcf1d8d500c36cdc247daf --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57865136.txt @@ -0,0 +1,135 @@ +----- +--- 57865136 +has anyone ever considered building a mech suit? + i know we're just a bunch of autists but some of us have gifts.. why aren't we using them to build machines of death? +--- 57865167 +what type of mobility would be best? bipedal? track system? wheels? +--- 57865346 +>>57865136 (OP) +>has anyone ever considered building a mech suit? +no +--- 57865398 +>>57865136 (OP) +Waiting for someone else to build a cheap micro-turbine to power one, I'm not doing all that work. +--- 57865469 +>>57865136 (OP) +That thing looks like a anorexic sentry bot from Fallout. +--- 57865491 +>>57865136 (OP) +>i know we're just a bunch of autists but some of us have gifts.. +kek, nobody on this site has potential, especially delusional fags like you. +--- 57865512 +build it +--- 57867577 +>>57865136 (OP) +theres no advantage to a mech +--- 57867588 +>>57867577 +they're also not cool +--- 57867601 +>>57867577 +The logical conclusion is probably that anything a mech could do a tank could do better, but this thread has gotten me wondering if mechs could be a viable alternative to tanks over difficult terrain - say in mountains or places that just have a lot of rocks. What do y’all guys think? +--- 57867632 +>>57867601 +its not worth that advantage, and that argument has been done before. + +the main reason is because it takes more effort to move a mecha's legs than it does to move wheels, and most importantly, the legs are a bigger target compared to wheels. +--- 57867644 +>>57867632 +i meant TREADS. +and treads have the main advantage of not placing all their weight in some spot areas, instead dispersing it. +--- 57867687 +>>57865136 (OP) +Get back to me in 4 years when I have finished my midlife crisis apprenticeship +--- 57867887 +>>57867601 +>difficult terrain +Just strap some ATGMs and stingers into a spider excavator bro, and maybe a .50 cal +--- 57867894 +>>57867887 +Forgot link to the video +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeRTirDjo7U [Embed] +--- 57868760 +Obligatory Canadian Gundam post. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1sCDdbdP7A&pp=ygUMbmVvZ2VudHJvbnl4 [Embed] + +I miss these guys. I was surprised their channel is still producing content, just normal maker stuff now. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-ouLX8Q9UM [Embed] +--- 57868869 +>>57865469 +Shit game, but I'll admit those niggas were spooky. +--- 57868873 +>>57867887 +You *will* live to see man made horrors beyond your comprehension. +--- 57869088 +>>57865398 +Not to mention efficient artificial muscles +--- 57869121 +>>57865136 (OP) +This is your daily reminder that all Capellans must hang. +--- 57869129 +>>57869121 +VGH, the future denied to us by dweebs... +--- 57869143 +>>57865136 (OP) +Because they literally don't do anything better than any tracked or wheeled vehicle, and would cost more money doing a worse job than existing technologies. If you want robots go get an engineering degree and join one of the firms trying to making artificial muscles. +--- 57869701 +>>57865136 (OP) +Actual mechs (>8 feet tall, user's limbs not in mech's limbs) are somewhat impractical as combat platforms due to their high center of gravity. Powered exoskeletons (including power armor) is practical to the point of near certainty. +--- 57869759 +>>57868760 +I thought you meant this + +Not quite power armour, but it’s the better than anything else that has been developed so far. +--- 57869786 +>>57865136 (OP) +Anything reliable would be probably most similar to an Evangelion. And it would take probably 150 years to develop. +But on paper a giant armored human that can crush tanks with its hands, work in any terrain, and sprint at mach 1 sounds good. +And an eva can survive a nuclear blast to the face which no machine will be able to do ever in our history. +--- 57871220 +>>57867601 +Spider excavators do exist and they do have niche of their own. But the question, what other vehicle can provide the same services as a spider tank? An attack helicopter could provide them, and in limited cases, a simple armored vehicles could as well. The South-East of Turkey is very mountainous. In the conflict a few years ago, T-129 and the various domestic armored vehicles did a lot of damage to PKK. Hell, PKK to fall back very quickly from the areas around Mardin back to the cities and to the mountains further east. So the attack helicopter and armoured vehicles can do the job a potential spider tank would have done. + +Personally, I think a probably niche for mechs, at least small ones, are for urban warfare. +--- 57871278 +We’re already there bro, no pilot required. +--- 57871663 +>>57865136 (OP) +I’m still in school. Give me a bit more time, this shit isn’t going to fund itself. +--- 57872165 +>>57871278 +I want one of picrel to have something of a sufficient caliber, that it does a backflip with every shot. +--- 57872353 +What is the best mech and why is it Warhammer. +--- 57872663 +>>57865167 +it kinda depends. tracks/wheels are probably the easiest, but at that point you're not really leveraging the "mech" bit as much and they don't spark joy like legs do. bipeds are the most similar to humies which is convenient from a control perspective and can potentially have a lot of other benefits like climbing (if you could manage that on a hobbyist budget), the obvious downside being that bipedal movement that doesn't suck is very hard. Quadrupeds are faster and more stable but are larger and less human shaped, and hexapedal walkers are even worse in that regard, however hexapods can maintain a walking gait of half of the legs off the ground and half in the air while maintaining three points of contact with the earth which makes them twice as fast as a quadruped also trying to maintain three points of contacr. Picrel is the ASV, which used six legs and had a pilot who used a relatively simple control interface not entirely unlike a regular vehicle. Most 2 and 4 legged walkers have had an operator who controls the limbs individually (pedipulator for 2 legs, furrion exobionic suit and GE's walking truck for 4), which makes them more versatile in terms of movement but would probably make operating weapons more difficult, (there are definitely ways around this, but having a machine handle the walking would probably still be ideal). +--- 57872684 +>>57867577 +The only practical use for one I have ever seen was the one from the original mobile suit gundam. That being an armored eva suit for use during boarding actions of space colonies. + +Granted in IRL space combat boarding actions will probably never happen, they'll probably just disable the spacecraft's propulsion/power and wait for the crew's surrender/death. +--- 57872800 +>>57865398 +This thing has a claimed top speed of 18.6 mph. Now I can't find a vid of it moving that fast (though I swear I've seen one before) and obviously it'll move slower when you add armor and weapons, but it does absolutely move under it's own power. Bipedal movement obviously isn't very energy efficient but the power required to do it has become strangely overblown and I don't know why. There have been countless examples of functioning walkers moving under their own power stretching back before the 1970s. +--- 57872809 +>>57865136 (OP) +LOL at the screenshot + +Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? +--- 57872816 +>>57867644 +Ground pressure does not impact legs like it does tracks, otherwise we'd get hopelessly stuck in three inches of mud. +--- 57872878 +>>57872663 +>say picrel +>forgot picrel +what a silly billy I am +--- 57872907 +Shouldn't a mech be on a rolling gimbal instead of wheels or tracks? Like a tripod with 3 rolling gimbals on 360 swiveling torso like OP picture +--- 57873205 +>>57865167 +American one. +--- 57873324 +>>57865136 (OP) +Some people made them to do a mech fight a few years ago. Turns out they are overall pretty slow, and while theoretically tech could be developed to speed them up, there's a general issue of the controls being insufficient for doing precise work quickly at the current time. Even if that was solved, you'd then have issues of condensing multiple posts you have in heavy vehicles like commander, gunner, and driver into a single position putting heavy load upon the operator that is overall suboptimal. Somehow solve all of that, and they still have much more intense ground pressure due to the low contact area with the ground which would fuck them over for most environments, whether damaging roads and concrete when you transport many over it to sinking in normal dirt much less muddy or boggy environs. Further, the overall bracing capacity is inferior to that of a tank while also being significantly taller, so you have a bigger target with less bang and less armor to it. diff --git a/k/57865406.txt b/k/57865406.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d4bf7f2f780c75846d99ce1074f2ca55439cdd5e --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57865406.txt @@ -0,0 +1,208 @@ +----- +--- 57865406 +>Krebs:My Führer, Steiner..... +--- 57865418 +>>57865406 (OP) +--- 57865421 +Stalingrad was a feint +We didn't WANT Moscow +--- 57865438 +>>57865421 +Wasn’t the objective of Stalingrad to was to secure the oil fields in the caucus? +--- 57865549 +>>57865406 (OP) +My monky, berdnicuck …. +--- 57865563 +>>57865549 +* +--- 57865634 +>Steiner counter attacks through the east piercing the Red Army using wunderwaffens. +>He then drives south to link up with the 9th Armee. +>The 3 entire Russian fronts are surrounded and destroyed. +>Eisenhower sues for peace. +--- 57865660 +>>57865406 (OP) +>Steiners counter attack was successful operation TND begins at midnight +--- 57865866 +>>57865438 +Not really. Taking the city wasn't all that important. Hell, it wasn't even a logistics hub for rail transport from the Caucasus. The railroad that would be used for transporting oil from the Caucasus to Germany steered clear from Stalingrad. +--- 57865871 +>>57865438 +The objective of army group south was Ukranian agriculture then the Volga + Caucasus oilfields. Taking Stalingrad was one means to achieve cutting the volga, as 80-90% of russian domestic oil (among other things) was transport to central russia on the river. It wouldve been easier to just push to the river south of the city but there may have been other reasons they decide to hit the city as well, especially as it was named after Stalin. + +It was too late by then really, they needed to have struck south a year earlier. The oilfields were thoroughly dismantled by the soviets before the germans got there and lend-lease was providing just enough food and oil products to keep the red army going even without the Caucasus oil. +--- 57866407 +>>57865634 +Unfathomably based +--- 57866447 +>>57865871 +Did the germans actually have the capacity to replace whatever equipment the sovs moved out of the oil fields? +--- 57866484 +>>57865406 (OP) +whole thing is mind boggling, why did Hitler declare war on USA? Why did Hitler keep bombing london? + +all he had to do was stop shitting on UK/USA and we probably would've let him continue to invade Russia +--- 57866504 +>>57866484 +>all he had to do was stop shitting on UK/USA and we probably would've let him continue to invade Russia +Hitler was a based retard and FDR wanted to go to war with Germany since WW2 broke out so conflict with the Germans was inevitable with our foreign policy. Churchill would've never sued for peace. +--- 57866583 +>>57865866 +>it wasn't even a logistics hub for rail transport from the Caucasus +Absolute brainlet, Stalingrad was the last major railway hub for aid to reach Soviet troops from the bong and American supplies coming in from the Caspian sea. Without Stalingrad you had a railway network four times smaller and an extra 100 miles to cover for nearly all of the Soviets petrol domestic production that needed to reach the massive Soviet formations still fighting viciously against the krauts +--- 57866650 +>>57866583 +You misunderstood me. The control over Stalingrad wasn't necessary for secure oil shipments to Germany, your own map proves that. +All they needed to stop western supplies from the Caspian sea was to sit across the Volga and they didn't even need to enter the city to achieve that. +--- 57866679 +>>57866650 +My “own” map proves that without taking out Stalingrad Soviets could still muster mechanized formations easilly to the caucasus. The Germans did grab alot of petrol from the area too (somewhere around 600 tons if i recall correctly in a few weeks), but it was impossible to hold it when the vast flatlands of the steppe that doesnt become mud in the spring or winter is unprotected. Without Stalingrad being taken material from Iran would still be shipped in via thr Caspian ports allowing the Soviets to just launch a massive two front invasion while being in range for the British bombers in southern Iran and Iraq that were harrasing kraut supply lines in this area during their offensive. Once Stalingrad is secured the Germans can prop up defense lines along the Volga to prevent any mechanized formation easilly crossing and taking them from the rear as they fortified the Caucasus +--- 57866688 +>>57866650 +>sit across the Volga +That’s also what they actually tried to do, leaving such a major hub on their side of the Volga untaken is suicide +--- 57866694 +>>57866688 +wrong pic lol but pretty much the same in how they couldn’t maintain total control of their side, the Soviets were just not gonna give up the major crossing points without a fight +--- 57866699 +>>57866447 +Not in the timeframe that would've made a difference +--- 57866704 +>>57865406 (OP) +Imagine being the lucky ones on the western front, just immediately surrender to the allies and make plans for a nice house in Tennessee +--- 57866706 +>>57866484 +The US was already pretty much de-facto at war with Germany +--- 57866759 +>>57865660 +I don't get that timeline. +Italy gains parts of France and Yugoslavia but loses Albania to Greece and the Dodekanes to Turkey. +Greece loses Macedonia and Thrace to Bulgaria but gains FYROM and Kosovo. +Reichskommisariat Mahgreb is situated in the Levant +--- 57866789 +>>57866484 +>whole thing is mind boggling, why did Hitler declare war on USA? +The US was already deeply involved in helping the Allies. The declaration was just a formality at that point. +>Why did Hitler keep bombing london? +Because it was the only high value British target within range of the Luftwaffe, and he needed Britain to back out of the war. +>all he had to do was stop shitting on UK/USA and we probably would've let him continue to invade Russia +The UK (and to a lesser extent the US) were already upset with Nazi Germany before they attacked Russia. In addition, invading Russia required invading Poland which the UK explicitly told Germany that they would declare war if invaded. +--- 57866840 +>>57865438 +They brought in thousands of oil technicians to get the Baku fields up and running again, so at least one of the reasons. +--- 57867339 +>>57866694 +>>57866688 +People miss just how close germans were to completely routing Russians. While bombing the river coast, russian commanders had guns on the table prepared to commit suicide. Apparently they almost choked on smoke from the bombing but miraclously survived. +Also the whole fight could have been over much sooner if Paulus commited his last reserve for battle of one of the big blocks (some factory I think). Apparently russians had simply no more men to reinforce it that day. +--- 57867845 +>>57867339 +Would a German capture of Stalingrad in September have changed anything other than slightly prolonging the war? Baku was still far away across the mountains. At best they interfere with supplies from the Caucasus until their overextended front gets enveloped somewhere. +--- 57868565 +>>57865660 +what the fuck are the borders of that general government +--- 57868651 +>>57867845 +It would have given leverage to the krauts in the secret peace conference that took place in 1943 between the Soviets and them. According to the only sources we have, the Soviets were the ones to initiate the talks so in a event they actually lose a major battle instead of winning at Stalingrad, this might force them in a position to accept German demands if they were rational (odds are not such as when Churchil almost gave into peace talks as France fell but the Krauts began demanding alot instead of just a pre-ww1 Empire). If the peace was achieved, I dont see a Germany being able to win against the west still who had the economic might to keep prolonging the war till a possible nuking of Berlin +--- 57868940 +>>57868565 +It includes Lemberg and other parts of Galicia. +--- 57869052 +>>57867845 +very possible, they nearly exhausted the Soviet war machine as it was +--- 57869458 +>>57866484 +probably so that the navy could start hitting the U.S ships that were delivering aid to Britain. also maybe because he thought Japan could deal with them +--- 57869685 +>>57866704 +>lucky ones +Nigga, Allies on the Western front were routinely executing surrendering Germans almost as often as Soviets, and then Eisenhower intentionally starved a million POWs who were already in camps to death. Nah, you were fucked either way. +Americans British and French were absolutely savage towards both the German military personnel and civilian population. The only reason it's not talked about as much is because the Soviet subhumans still managed to provide a contrast to them (and post-war USA having the best propaganda in history) +--- 57869699 +>>57869685 +Ok +--- 57869805 +>>57869699 +>Dude, just use this one simple trick: don't call them POWs in the documents. Instead, call them disarmed enemy forces (DEF). Then you can starve a million to death or use them to clear minefields like the British did and no one will notice! +t. Eisenhower +--- 57869841 +>>57869805 +Meh, not much different from how the Wehrmacht treated prisoners. Don't set precedents unless you're prepared to accept the turnabout. +--- 57869940 +>>57869805 +That's an interesting story, but do you have a source? Or is this one of those "they suppressed the truth just trust me man" holocaust rollercoaster stories +--- 57869997 +>>57865421 +>>57865406 (OP) +Imagine the absolute level of copium and seething from all sides you’d see on /k/ if this shithole was around during WW2. +--- 57870322 +>>57869997 +Considering how anal Goebbels was about preventing even party leadership from listening to allied radio broadcasts it’s likely Germany would have had a firewall of some sort preventing German civilians from shitposting. +--- 57870371 +>>57870322 +He’d probably have an alternative image board website set up that was moderated by his ministry. +--- 57870395 +>>57869997 +Japanbros we didn’t need to destroy the carriers. Pearl Harbor was a stunning success +--- 57870445 +>>57869940 +What do you think Anon? I've only ever seen this claim on 4chan, mostly /pol/. +--- 57870448 +>>57870395 +The carrier advantage has been lost? Who cares, carriers aren’t useful during night fighting operations which Japan is the best at. Get Savo’d you round eyed pig. +--- 57870456 +>>57869685 +>>57869805 +>Eisenhower intentionally starved a million POWs +Bullshit from a revisionist grifter preying on wehraboos. +--- 57870475 +>>57865406 (OP) +kek.. +--- 57870675 +Hitler should have formed the European Union with France, Poland and the Axis powers. +>most of us are vets of WW1 +>we want to avoid a repeat of WW1 +>we don't like communism +>let's forget the antisemitism (for now) +>don't you want to share in the German economic miracle? +--- 57870733 +>>57869699 +I've read in at least two or three separate eastern front memoirs that mentioned the cruelty of the soviets as they regained territory. The red army would execute the soviet POWs that were "rescued" because of their assistance to the germans. +They also did the same to the civilan villages that were either complacent to german occupation, stalin had said that it was better to die, then to live under the control of the germans. + +I know one book was Blood Red Snow, but I'm trying to think of the others. I've read so many that I get them mixed up now days. +--- 57870801 +>>57870675 +That's what some germans like Canaris wanted, or a version of it anyway. +But Nazi Germany was a revanchist and imperialist movement focused in conquering eastern europe since the start, just like in WW1, to compensate for the lack of an overseas emprire, and to target later the colonies of their adversaries. +And France or the UK were never going to allow that to happen. +>the German economic miracle +A scam based in cooking the books and recovering the money with the spoils of conquest later. Without starting a war, Germany would have gone bankrupt in a few years. +>>57870733 +Yeah, the soviets were paranoid and murderous thugs. Besides the later occupation, it speaks volumes that so many countries besides Poland preferred the nazis to them. +--- 57872195 +>>57866759 +Greece is obviously a tightly integrated puppet if not outright colony of Italy, doofus. So there's no change from whether Albania is independent or part of Greece. +--- 57872542 +>>57865634 +Little Boy gets diverted to Berlin. +--- 57872954 +>>57865438 +That and cutting off the lend-lease + +Remember the dindu nuffin allies invaded neutral Iran and occupied it to ship lend-lease shit up the volga to the soviets thru the persian corridor +--- 57873030 +>>57865634 +>US stopping +Hahahahaahaha. Yeah losing a few hundred k more Germans in the East will definitely keep Allied heavy bombers outta your airspace +--- 57873039 +>>57868651 +>the secret peace conference that took place in 1943 between the Soviets and them +>Churchil almost gave into peace talks as France fell but the Krauts began demanding alot instead of just a pre-ww1 Empire + +Both of these statements are completely made-up + +The allied Yalta conference was held in 1943, and "Germany must perish" was published even before that in the US. Neither the US nor the USSR had any intention of suing for peace with the axis +--- 57873100 +>>57870675 +He tried to create a pan-european anti-bolshevist pact until the last second, but the pooles were out for blood and started chimping out/going after german civilians living in the Versailles corridor after Pidsulski died and the brits gave them that security guarantee. It really couldn't have ended any other way, unfortunately diff --git a/k/57865432.txt b/k/57865432.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..889e2b3d45407e8fee06051f689cd60c0c29204c --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57865432.txt @@ -0,0 +1,616 @@ +----- +--- 57865432 +5d Chess move by Zelensky. What types of weapons would Poland send to Ukraine? +--- 57865480 +Shitty grot rifles +Poland will remain loyal to Mother Russia +--- 57865750 +unironically if Ukraine, Poland, and the Baltics decided to reform a modern Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth/Intermarium they could probably irrevocably buck break Russia with how badly over extended their military is at this point +--- 57865767 +>>57865750 +Just like in my HOI4 game… +--- 57865786 +>>57865432 (OP) +Why do vatniggers still try to push the "Poland will annex Ukraine" meme? Is it just projection? Even the biolabs shit was less retarded. +--- 57865790 +>>57865750 +Would Kaliningrad be partitioned between Poland and Lithuania or given an option to become part of Commonwealth as its own state? +--- 57865859 +>>57865750 +Intermarium bros… +--- 57866154 +>>57865790 +No civilisation team has researched the decontamination worker to bother with kalingrad yet, probably just fence it off and call it a nature reserve +--- 57866214 +>>57865786 +Pretty much just projection, yeah. Although a small number of them are so stupid and deluded they still do believe they are liberating Ukraine from western oppression. +--- 57866222 +>>57865432 (OP) +F-16's +--- 57866243 +>Russian forces have advanced along Verbna Street +lmao even lol +--- 57866251 +>>57865790 +>Kaliningrad +Option A: Give it to Poland +Option B: Give it to the EU +Option C: Return the land to nature +--- 57866256 +>>57866243 +--- 57866268 +>>57865750 +Zelensky has repeatedly said "together we are 81 million strong", "one day there will be no border between us", etc. and through the framework of the EU, the Commonwealth is formed by all practical definitions - and culturally, the Ukrainians have been made "Russophobic" through russia's torture camps +--- 57866273 +>>57865432 (OP) +-2d chess move and im a thorough supporter of ukraine(sorry i hate russians and more importantly believe in the right to self defense). Literally doesnt make sense. ceding land to a NATO country to involve it directly in the war is literally not gonna happen. Sounds more like disinfo than anything due to how fucktarded the idea is +--- 57866274 +>>57865432 (OP) +Probably stars of David +--- 57866275 +>>57866251 +it's Královec, 99.7% of the residents said so. Besides, Czechia deserved a baltic port to protect against NATO expansionism +--- 57866280 +>>57865432 (OP) +complete nonsense. +--- 57866327 +>>57865432 (OP) +>spriter +Whats the advantage of posting a literal lolcow? This nigger has been posting non stop schizophrenic nonsense since the beginning. He is never right. +--- 57866340 +>>57865432 (OP) +translation: +>putin dominates the russians and can do whatever he likes, things must be the same in all the other countries, blah-blah +their propaganda talking points used to be more sophisticated, it looks as if they stopped trying (probably all the good fanfic writers left the country after the first mobilization wave, i'm not sure) + +t. zoology enthusiast specialising in russians +--- 57866364 +>>57865432 (OP) +ook ook poland help Russia! Russia stornk! Z +--- 57866368 +>>57865786 +He believes Poland is sending weapons, munition and mercenaries for free. lol +--- 57866386 +>>57866368 +https://youtu.be/u1N58h-kpBM [Embed] +Do you genuinely know nothing about Polish history? +--- 57866638 +>>57866368 +They get paid in the sweetest currency of all, vatnik blood, though given how retarded you are, I should tell you that it's not literally sweet and will give you AIDS. +--- 57866680 +>>57865432 (OP) +Globohomo REALLY is craving for mercenaries to send to the russian meatgrinder. +--- 57866766 +>>57865790 +Nobody wants that piece of shit. +I say we turn it into the biggest park in europe. +--- 57866819 +>>57866368 +And (You) believe that Poland isn't collectively savoring the Schadenfreude of revenge-by-proxy. +There's some things that are simply beyond price. +--- 57866859 +>>57866268 +Right, the totally real torture camps where they pull out teeth that a dentist pulled out 10 years ago +--- 57866873 +>>57866368 +Any puccian shitstain that is eliminated in Ukraine is a puccian shitstain that will not come to Poland in a couple of years to "liberate it" from "Nazis". +Everyone in Poland who is not an idiot or a traitor knows this very, very well. +--- 57866907 +>>57865750 +You mean how Russia already is? What the fuck are you even barking, moron? +--- 57866931 +>>57866859 +Funnily enough, those were presented by the vatniks. Everything you do, everything you post is a self own. How does that make you feel? +--- 57866937 +>>57865432 (OP) +What does full scale mean? +--- 57866938 +>>57865790 +>1 mil ruskies +yeah nah, we need to nuke it +--- 57867003 +>>57866243 +In a year we’ve gone from +>xaxaxa mighty Russia will be in Berlin in 3 days +To +>xaxaxa we will take Vodkanoski St, Bakhmut in 3 days +--- 57867077 +>>57866368 +Every time a Pucciyan is killed, all Poles within 47 light years experience an orgasm. What's going on here is basically a very elaborate form of prostitution. +--- 57867380 +>>57866368 +Nigga we have enough troubles with eastern Poland, no one except literally few compromised vatnik agents want even an inch of Ukraine clay here. +All we want is vatnik blood. The blood must flow. + +I have erection since march last year btw. +--- 57867396 +Surely this retarded vatnik talking point will come true +--- 57867401 +>>57865432 (OP) +unironically yes +--- 57867408 +>>57866368 +What could be better than beating your mortal enemy without spilling your own blood? It is the perfect exchange. +--- 57867414 +>>57865750 +there is only one imperialist parasite around here and that is monkes kingdom. Nobody in their right mind wants any fucking new construct as the road to ethnic centric nation states has been a very long and very hard one. Well worth it compared to the sodom and gomorrah tier Russias of the world. At the end of the day people want to be with their own kind not be forced into a giant pen with different types and races +--- 57867434 +>>57865790 +Depopulated and turned into a national park +--- 57867465 +>>57866859 +>>57866931 +>>57866268 +Reminder that vatniks spammed links to this 40 page report as soon as it came out, because their illiterate asses thought it was an own. +--- 57867620 +>>57865790 +Kralovec is Czechia +--- 57867635 +>>57867414 +Alright but what was pee pee poo poo orginally +--- 57867638 +>>57867635 +Theft/Rape +--- 57867641 +>>57867620 +Yes +--- 57867646 +>>57867638 +Ah, more rape. I should have known +--- 57867654 +>>57866275 +--- 57867669 +>>57865750 +I sure hope so. The only thing I want in the world is more dead subhuman slavs. I hope this war lasts for 50 years +--- 57867729 +>>57865432 (OP) +What happened to the plan to have Poland annex Ukraine and then use article 5? +--- 57867766 +>>57866368 +They pay it with dead r*ssians +--- 57867793 +>>57865432 (OP) +>Alistair Crook +>In September 2020, his online journal, the Strategic Culture Foundation, was banned from various social media platforms, including Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube, following claims that it was connected with Russian intelligence services and interfered in the 2020 Presidential election in the USA on their orders.[13] +>Literally who parroting a former glowie axed for being a 5th columnist grifter +Pro-russian propaganda is pathetic. Who believes this shit? Turdworlders? +--- 57867795 +>>57865480 +>Mother Russia +Haha russia is a woman +--- 57867802 +>>57865432 (OP) +>admirer of General Issam Zahredin +sounds like a trustworthy source +--- 57867807 +>>57865786 +>Even the biolabs shit was less retarded. + +Biolabs stuff was real, but the slav killing pidgeons had no effect because Russia is asiatic mutt shithole. Just look at their president. +--- 57867813 +>>57866243 +We are at the Google Street View level when checking the superpower advance. +--- 57867826 +>>57865432 (OP) +While banning their grain that was supposed to "feed the world" kek +--- 57867842 +>>57867380 +What's your problem with Eastern Poland? +--- 57867850 +>>57865790 +You do not want Kaliningrad people. There A LOT of old medical articles how Kaliningrad was responsible for STD epidemics in particular AIDS was often quoted as being a raging wild fire there. And radiating outwards. + +The Russian military/sailors and hookers Mixed all of the world shit in that area. (imported drugs too) + +Like 80% in 1996 had hep antibodies mid Double digits of aids in prostitutes. And condoms are expensive western space magic.... + +>pic related Figure Cases of HIV in Kaliningrad by age, 1996–97 + + +You need to glass that place from it bio hazards. +--- 57867856 +>>57867830 +>vaniggers make up shit that never happened +>declares victory +--- 57867859 +>>57867830 +>Russia constantly offers peace talks to zelensky +>nigger constantly offers to take only your washing machine +--- 57867860 +>>57867842 +Its poland and its eastern. Imagine that. +--- 57867922 +>>57867907 +You are literally playing make-believe, who is coping? +--- 57867971 +>>57867826 +Ukrainian grain was meant to be send to Africa, not replace the Polish grain on Polish market +--- 57868023 +>>57867937 +Bullshit, plenty of anons cheered the clankening or the cyborg's last stand at the Donetsk Airport. +Normies and tankie shills were the ones seething about muh ukrainian nazis and muh CIA coup, vatnigger. +--- 57868039 +>>57867937 +Kys disingenuous kike +--- 57868075 +>>57866938 +Street Kid looks straight out of some anime +--- 57868100 +>>57867795 +NATO is supplying dildos to Ukraine! Russia can't stop getting fucked. +--- 57868122 +>>57865432 (OP) +who cares. boring slavshit +--- 57868165 +>>57868030 +A few anons simping for a bad boy =/= /k/ being a givi board. Same for Girkin +The MH17 also soured many about them. +--- 57868175 +>>57865432 (OP) +The prototype hydrogen bomb +--- 57868182 +>>57865432 (OP) +The Russians wanted to dangle the same thing to the Poles Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact style. It's a good move if only to allow forward deployment of Polish military into the Western/Northern part of the country. + + +>>57865750 +Pinko EUSSR led by Franco-German freaks is a gigantic liability that cannot EVER be allowed to join with Moscow & Beijing, much less supply them with the peer level tech that would have made Ukraine a steam roll, like the world anticipated it would be initially. Scandinavians, Balts & a Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and/or Intermarium is absolutely imperative, and the USA transfering bases and units from Germany to Poland presages such developments. +--- 57868203 +>>57865432 (OP) +eternal pole strikes again +--- 57868235 +>>57867620 +True +>Czechs finally can into sea +--- 57868267 +>>57867971 +Exactly my point +--- 57868281 +>>57865750 +And poland gains... what, exactly, out of this? +Ukraine isn't a wasteland but it'll need immense investment in the next 20 years to be worth it economically, and it remains to be seen whether any nation-[re]building will take place. Baltics are tiny and largely irrelevant. +Poland is a bit like china at the moment - they're free to simply grow and improve by sitting on their ass and doing nothing, as long as others (russia/usa respectively) don't bother them. +--- 57868291 +>>57867860 +It's maybe the only place in Poland where i saw swastikas on the walls but still... it's green. +--- 57868295 +>>57865790 +Just let it become its own thing, independent country in the middle of the baltic, can't go wrong, maybe they'll even prosper when moscow and st petersburg doesnt steal from them +--- 57868300 +>>57866938 +Marked One, what the hell?! +--- 57868302 +>>57868100 +Actually Russians themselves are ordering dildos for the front ... kind of ... +--- 57868303 +>>57868295 +The Russians have to go. Bring back the Baltic Germans. +--- 57868610 +>>57865432 (OP) +I’ve seen this faggot on Twitter, he’s an utter fifth columnist and China simp. +--- 57868731 +Full on annexation or merger is retarded and there's almost no chance it would happen. A lot of cooperation, maybe some form of EU thing but for poor Slavs, but while Poles and Ukrainians hate Russians more than each other, there's still a lot of animosity between them and trying to force both sides together would have disastrous results in the long run. I mean how would that even be pulled off, the bureaucratic strain would be immense and what about people who wouldn't want to live in Poland? +>>57868281 +People, I guess. That's what they're already getting, a lot of labor both educated (often in Poland itself) and uneducated. Polish universities have been full of Ukrainians for decades now, sometimes it almost looks like it's 1920s. +Poland has suffered immense brain drain and even simply young people drain to western countries like UK. Poles are possibly the most numerous immigrants outside of war refugees and other artificial waves of immigration. +Would Poland be good enough for Ukrainians to stay there in first place is arguable however. +If both countries were to enter some sort of merger I imagine Poles could profit immensely from EU gibs again, get access to a damaged but otherwise vastly superior MIC (Ukrainians made aircraft carriers, tanks and formed most of Soviet space program). +--- 57868740 +>>57868291 +>femoid bike +Post tits. +--- 57868749 +>>57868122 +checked +--- 57868754 +>>57868030 +>OMG ARE THOSE RESISTANCE FIGHTERS KIWI AND NOKIA????? + +Imagine cheering on a shitskin leftie who got offed by his own handlers. +--- 57868974 +>>57865786 + +A significant part of Western Ukraine used to be Poland prior to 1939. The Armia Krajowa and Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists basically fought their own mini-race war for control of Volhynia and Eastern Galicia that resulted in over 100,000 deaths, mainly Polish civilians (Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were surprisingly uninvolved in any of this). + +This sideshow to World War II was a source of considerable friction between Poland and Ukraine up until 2014. + +tl;dr Russians are attempting to drive a wedge between Poland and Ukraine using a very real historical grudge, but are about a decade too late. + +>>57865790 + +Ethnically cleanse it and return it to Germany as a goodwill gesture. +--- 57868990 +>>57868974 +>return it to Germany +Fat Man and Little Boy should be returned to Germany via airdrop. +--- 57869010 +>>57868990 + +Go ask Japan to do it then. Remember, we gave Little Boy and Fat Man to them for free. +--- 57869025 +Reminder that the OP is vaknik propaganda with zero proof. +Nobodody has talked seriously about swapping land between Polan, Ukraine or Romania. It's all russian disinfo trying to sow discord. +--- 57869049 +>>57865790 +It would become a United States protectorate with Konigsberg restored and we’d turn the entire region outside the city into a state park named after Reagan or some other Cold War president to make the Russkis seethe. Also Americans get free flights and can go for free but euros pay 10x. +--- 57869061 +>>57869049 +>get free flights and can go for free but euros pay 10x. +10*0 is still 0, you retard +--- 57869062 +>>57866938 +no problemo, we know how to solve this +--- 57869071 +>>57868974 +>Ethnically cleanse it +if yurop had enough balls for decisive actions like this they'd have far less problems than they have now +in reality there's zero chance it's happening unless russia nooks or something equally wild +--- 57869145 +>>57869071 +Kaliningrad is pretty much off limits, but other places like Transnistria are going probably to be wiped out mostly peacefully once Ukraine wins the war. +Moldavia must be just bidding their time to get rid of their russian parasites, and they can count on ukrainians helping them. +--- 57869153 +>>57869145 +The Moldovans really can't do anything. I was there 2 weeks ago, you're really overestimating them. Ukraine would have to be the ones to that, and even then a large portion of Moldovan government is still Russian leaning. +--- 57869181 +>>57869153 + +Would be a shame if Moldova's Army suddenly received shitloads of M16s, M203s, M249s, and M2 Bradleys that have any Ukrainian flags conveniently painted over. +--- 57869199 +>>57869181 +It's not just an equipment issue if your suggesting Ukraine transfer some. If your suggesting they clandestinely help they wouldn't need to hide their involvement. Ukraine has already offered Moldova assistance publicly. +--- 57869203 +>>57869181 +This war ending with the ukrainians doing their own little green men to the russians in Transnistria would be amazing +--- 57869379 +>>57869372 +Touch the pollack and you die +--- 57869381 +>>57865432 (OP) +Why do ziggers keep trying to push this line about Poland wanting to take chunks of Ukraine? +--- 57869387 +>>57869372 +What's the white and black one? Why two Britains? +--- 57869391 +>>57865432 (OP) +>Spriter +--- 57869393 +>>57866859 +>one piece of information was blown out of proportion, turns out the Russians just stole from a dentist's drawer +>"xaxaxaxa this means all evidence against us is fake too!" +Why are you like this? +--- 57869396 +>>57869381 +Projection, they think everyone is as insane and power hungry as they are so its a plausible lie to tell for propaganda. +--- 57869403 +>>57867380 +Nobody invested in Eastern Poland ;( +--- 57869407 +>>57865432 (OP) +The source's name is literally "Crook" +--- 57869412 +>>57869388 + +Russia Stronk memes aged like fine milk lol +--- 57869413 +>>57869049 +I agree with everything said here, name it Reaganopolis. +--- 57869418 +>>57869408 + +OH NO NO NO NO + +1/2 +--- 57869424 +>>57869381 +Half of it is bait. +The remaning half wants to make Russia's invasion seem more acceptable by trying to convince everyone that secretly every country wants to do the same thing +--- 57869426 +>>57869408 + +OH NO NO NO NO + +2/2 +--- 57869427 +>>57869418 +Germany was defeated by Soviet Union alone +--- 57869428 +>>57865786 +It's called the diffusion of the informational field. You spam a bunch of outrageous lies through your 5th column and eventually all retarded boomer contrarians start parroting it. +--- 57869438 +>>57865790 +I am Czech and I own land in Kaliningrad via distant relatives. I demand Kralovec be freed from the mongol oppressors and given to the rightful owner. Me. +--- 57869441 +>>57869427 +>Germany was defeated by Soviet Union alone + +Lend-Lease says hi +--- 57869457 +>>57869449 +You're neither white nor american +--- 57869469 +>>57869467 +Post hand, rajesh +--- 57869489 +>>57869467 +Moscovians on 4chan trying to claim they're better than somebody else is peak irony. There's no point in arguing with you retards, the only cure for such stupidity is to ban you +--- 57869548 +>>57869530 +Poor attempts at subversion, bud +--- 57869582 +>>5786955 +>>wash wash jannies ban him because he says mean things +literally nobody has ever said that +>every white country hates you +keep projecting, nigger +--- 57869587 +Is it true Russia celebrates independence from Poland? +--- 57869656 +>>57869489 +I'm not sure what the first word translates to, but it transliterates to "goy". The second means "service". Interesting. +--- 57869660 +The mexican tranny got triggered by Poland again. +--- 57869668 +>>57869613 +>Jannies just deleted the thread exposing Jewlensky's theft of hundreds of millions of dollars kek +It's not related to weapons, is it? +--- 57869675 +>>57869656 +>Prigozhin +He should have keep working as a waiter instead of playing soldier +--- 57869793 +>>57869675 +>He should have keep working as a waiter instead of playing soldier +Nah, I like it when he plays dressup, it's hilarious +--- 57869979 +>>57869675 +>three war criminals in the same room +--- 57870009 +>>57868281 +I got a 19-year-old refugee GF. I'm 35. She calls me "papa". Thanks, Putin. +--- 57870034 +>>57870009 + +American here, how do I get a Ukie refugee gf? + +I'm in the San Francisco area btw +--- 57870043 +>>57870034 +Be Polish. There's around 5,000,000 Ukrainians here currently, most of them women and children. +--- 57870048 +>>57870034 +volunteer you dumbfuck, though you will probably end up with a mexican bunda +--- 57870060 +Why do vatnigs project their own butthurt on Poles all the time? +--- 57870080 +>>57865432 (OP) +>What types of weapons would Poland send to Ukraine? +Plungerfausts. +Built in Warsaw. Trialed in London. +Ready to clean up the Ukrainian theatre. +--- 57870090 +>>57870060 +Because Russians have been seething at Poland, since we're older, better, more glorious, and we've raped them in every 1 on 1 war. +--- 57870093 +>>57870043 + +I'm Scots-Irish, my ancestors are old Southern stock that fought for the Confederacy, is that close enough? +--- 57870107 +>>57870048 + +Any idea on decent Ukraine war charities in California? +--- 57870119 +>>57870093 +>I'm Scots-Irish +Aight, that works +>my ancestors are old Southern stock that fought for the Confederacy +Oh, you're an Amerimutt? Nah, they don't like niggers in poland. +--- 57870124 +>>57868075 +That time I was reincarnated as a Vatnik. +--- 57870129 +>>57870119 + +No my side fought to enslave the niggers, you're thinking of Yankees. +--- 57870142 +>>57867380 +based moderate + +T. eastern Pole that moved to the "rotten" west +--- 57870145 +>>57869979 +makes you think +--- 57870153 +>>57866243 +>children's hospital +So that was their target. +--- 57870208 +>>57868030 +/k/ was never pro-sniggerian board. proceed to your designated dilitating chamber >>>/pol/ +--- 57870295 +>>57867842 +>What's your problem with Eastern Poland +Nothing personal, it is simply poor part of Poland. Can you imagine? +Think something like west/east Germany. +--- 57870300 +>What types of weapons would Poland send to Ukraine? + +Well the krauts just said they're okay with Poland handing ex-german MiG-29s to Ukraine. +--- 57870346 +>>57865432 (OP) +I'm gonna take this opportunity... +--- 57870359 +>>57870346 +--- 57870373 +>>57870359 +--- 57870384 +>>57870373 +--- 57870657 +>>57865480 +>Shitty grot rifles +They are based, keep coping. +--- 57870818 +>>57865750 +Just wait. ;) +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlHU20TGlZc [Embed] +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ymcG7l19Q [Embed] +>>57865859 +Bro. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i--bB93hKKE [Embed] +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8ITlXLKuG0 [Embed] +--- 57870873 +>>57870785 +>>57870818 +i hate poos with a burning passion because of people like you +--- 57870985 +>>57870972 +pooland +--- 57870992 +>>57870873 +>poos +????? +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F34FvVBbUdk [Embed] +--- 57871072 +>>57870985 +Sry, wrong pic. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2AVBJkeXeo [Embed] +--- 57871320 +>>57870985 +Moskal detected. +--- 57871411 +>>57867826 +That's infested with bugs and toxic from pesticides? +--- 57871435 +>>57868175 +It that the only Polish nuke reactor? +--- 57871616 +>>57866243 +>xaxaxaxa mighty Puccia is now taking whole streets daily! +the absolute state of the Puccian army. +--- 57871679 +>>57870985 +--- 57871717 +>>57871679 +kek +--- 57871735 +>>57871679 +Holy shit. xD +--- 57871910 +>>57871320 +>>57871679 +You two are confused retards, look at the pic name and google who that is >>57870985 +--- 57871928 +>>57871320 +>>57871679 +>>57871910 +You know what, let me help you with that +>Valdemar Tomaszewski, the leader of the Polish election campaign, wore the George ribbon, the symbol of the Russian occupiers +--- 57872037 +>>57871910 +>You two are confused retards, +>>57871928 +>>Valdemar Tomaszewski, the leader of the Polish election campaign, wore the George ribbon, +You say I'm confused, but that dude is the most confused of all of us here. +--- 57872079 +>>57871928 +do you have brain damage diff --git a/k/57865445.txt b/k/57865445.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..81fba06d6b30f3318e0b54da9bfc4f6bb6df40d2 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57865445.txt @@ -0,0 +1,212 @@ +----- +--- 57865445 +The same source that told me T55s were being looked at and pulled to frontline duty back in December and that I talked about here who works at one of Russia's tank refurbishment plants has informed me that they are now looking at the feasibility of providing upgraded 2023 variants of the T34. Reportedly around 1,000 of them have been acquired and shipped from Cuba, Africa, North Korea, and China. + +He told me that this was part of a plan by some of the Russian high command who are of the opinion that in many aspects a "tank is a tank" and that they may be used for garrison duties, public order, backline units, and as eratz infantry support vehicles. They are going to be fitted with ERA and improved optics/sights. +--- 57865481 +>>57865445 (OP) + +Additionally they are looking at welding additional armor to it to improve survivability against anti-tank launchers. +--- 57865489 +gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8 +--- 57865506 +>>57865445 (OP) +>You sure +>Yeah man some guy online told me +--- 57865525 +OP here, forgot to mention my source also told me that the preliminary steps of modernizing BT-7s are being taken. I'm trans BTW, not sure if it matters +--- 57865527 +>>57865445 (OP) +>Reportedly around 1,000 of them have been acquired and shipped from Cuba, Africa, North Korea, and China. +Forgetting that there is no way those places have that many T-34's around let alone in runnable condition, if they were willing to supply military aid they would have much better junk tanks to give, at a minimum T-55's/Type 59's. Working T-34's were already highly sought after before the war because there are so few of them... 1,000, nice fucking fanfic. +--- 57865543 +>>57865527 +Do you think there are more extant Shermans than T-34s at this point? +--- 57865562 +>>57865445 (OP) +Gr8 b8 but I do think it's plausible we'll start seeing buybacks of older vehicles. There's no way Cuba has much in the way of viable stored hulls in a tropical climate, that was a touch too unbelievable +--- 57865573 +they didn't have T-34's in running condition for parades, let alone combat worthy, dumbass. +They bought like 30 from Laos a couple years ago because of exactly that. +--- 57865575 +>>57865489 +>>57865506 +>>57865525 +>>57865527 + +You all said the same thing about the T55s back in December when I talked about it with my source, saying there was no way they had enough of them and they weren't going to be pulled. You will likely see these being fielded by some capacity July or August. Screenshot this post to cope. +--- 57865701 +>>57865445 (OP) +On a more realistic note, what would Russia trade if they wanted to buy back old stock tanks? +--- 57865756 +>>57865573 +T34s retrofitted into SPGs by 2024 calling it now +>>57865701 +Oil? Favours? Whatever they’re giving the Chinese +--- 57865824 +>>57865543 +theres only a few hundred shermans left in the world that arent in musuems, most of them no longer gun tanks + +iirc, the israelis had about 300 M50s and 180 M51s, the M50s later being converted to M51s +but 100 were given to chile, another 100 were given away to allies of convenience like lebanese rebels, and the rest either stuffed in a warehouse somewhere or turned into engineering vehicles +--- 57865870 +>>57865445 (OP) +OP here again. My source in Yekaterinburg also said they're starting to mine caves for Ammonium Nitrate to produce artillery shells, since most of the chemical production plants are grinding to a halt without ball bearings. + +Also, i'm a giant faggot and I take it up the ass raw dog by big black cock +--- 57865884 +>>57865445 (OP) +I refuse to believe this is true, but then again i have gotten that one wrong a few times when it comes to assuming how low Russia can go. Just put me in the screenshot when it happens. +--- 57865888 +>>57865445 (OP) +do you have any sources regarding the glide bombs russia recently started using (in bakhmut and adviivka). even though they're ghetto versions of jdams they do a lot of damage. did china supply them? +--- 57865903 +>>57865701 +wheat, nickel, iron, aluminum, potassium, fertilizer, or of course petro products + +aside from weapons Russia generally exports low value-added basic materials, a major contributing factor to their ridiculous economic underdevelopment (on top of the ludicrously inefficient levels of wealth siphoning at basically every level of private and public authority in country). consider they have an economy roughly on par with South Korea, a mountainous shithole peninsula that is locked in a frozen civil war, despite having three times the population and several thousand times more land and resources +--- 57865905 +>>57865888 +Not him, but the last thing i can remember was that they were more precise than free fall bombs, but that's all, if you can catch my drift. Dunno about the 1500kg version though, dont think it was used. +--- 57865943 +>>57865573 +They’re also post-war manufactured tanks from Czechoslovakia. +--- 57865975 +>>57865905 +i think the thing was the glide bombs are able to be launched like 80 km's behind russian front lines. necessitating the f16s to protect against planes launching glide bombs +--- 57865984 +>>57865445 (OP) +I want to believe +--- 57865993 +>>57865445 (OP) +--- 57866025 +>>57865575 +With the T55 it was questionable, with the T-34 it's impossible. +It's. Not. Possible. +There are not enough, let alone ones that still run. +--- 57866094 +>>57865575 +and you got lucky, now quit it +--- 57866107 +>>57865543 +Reminds me that I need to find one of those Sherman logging yarders for sale so I can turn it into a utility vehicle. +--- 57866185 +Joe Biden allowed Cuba to ship T-34s to Russia without intercepting them? Unacceptable performance from Sleepy Joe as usual, I hope he loses his footing on the second-to-last stair and injures his shins. +--- 57866246 +>>57865445 (OP) +Anon here, my dad works at Nintendo BTW +--- 57866295 +>>57865701 +Natashas +--- 57866328 +>>57865575 +I will post a screenshot of this post on August 31. +--- 57866335 +>>57865445 (OP) + +feckin' baiters keep on stroking +--- 57866362 +>>57865870 +>they're starting to mine caves for Ammonium Nitrate to produce artillery shells +That would be kinda based. Imagine if WW3 is so bad, and grinds on for so many years that all combatants resort to using blackpowder +And shovels of course +--- 57866384 +The amount of assblasted vatnik replies tells me this is true. Can't wait to see the cope. +--- 57866454 +>>57865445 (OP) +That's bullshit but I wish it were true. I dont think much of slavs, but further complicating their logistical infrastructure by refurbishing and shipping fucking T34's would be hilarious +--- 57866627 +>>57866454 + +what logistics + +they park the tank there and when its parts are too bad from lack of maintenance they abandon it + +basically no body wants to be in the Ukranian wilderness except for Putin + +someone should just end him and close up this fucking shit show +--- 57866684 +>>57865445 (OP) +. + +Globohomo REALLY is craving for mercenaries to send to the Russian meatgrinder. +--- 57866693 +TWO WORLD WARS +--- 57866899 +Next step, the Bob Semple +--- 57866943 +>>57865543 +If you stretch your definition of "Sherman" enough, there are not only hundreds of examples still in existence but purportedly they're still making new parts for the running gear and transmission, but the vast majority of M4s were converted to tractors like >>57866107. +--- 57866970 +>>57865445 (OP) +I refuse to accept it. I know that this has been a race to the bottom for Russia, but I just can't accept it. If T-34s get deployed to Ukraine, I can't even consider Russians to be humans anymore. It's hard to blame a population for refusing to rebel against their leadership; but if Russia is plucking T-34s out of museums, the Russian people are fucking lemmings for not grabbing the oligarchs from their mansions and burning them alive. +--- 57867010 +>>57865445 (OP) +That's cool anon but my dad works at nintendo and he told me that your sources are gay +--- 57867306 +>>57865445 (OP) +See, this is just depressing now. +--- 57867313 +>>57865506 +It's bullshit, but I believe it. +--- 57869310 +>>57866362 +>ammonium nitrate +>blackpower +With AN you'd be able to do nitration of cellulose and even use it as filler in explosives. +--- 57869502 +>>57866899 +Rodya Sempelov? +--- 57869616 +>>57865445 (OP) +The hull is good enough as SPH/SPG, far better than all those arty tractors, some of them with no armour. +--- 57869853 +>>57865445 (OP) +kill your self +--- 57869917 +>a tank is a tank +i agree but i think if we take access to ammunition and spare parts into consideration, its highly unlikely we'll see any t-34s + +also i think china has scrapped/donated all their t-34s, and Cuba and NK combined could not gather 1000 tanks even if they sent everything they had +--- 57870161 +I don't think we need 1000 tanks +just 10, hell even 20 would be fine +as long as we get videos of them blown up and one unit captured to laugh at +then only Armata is left +--- 57870254 +>>57865445 (OP) +Cope bricks. Vatnig cage. +--- 57870916 +June, 2023: +> trust me dimitry a тaнк is a тaнк +--- 57871024 +Do they have any ammo left for these things? Shit, do they even have the tooling to make ammo? Or would they go "Yemeni ripcord" on this shit? +>be yemeni +>no 85mm ammunition left for t-34 +>reload empty casings with powder from pulled down small arms ammo +>reprime with artillery primer +>projectile is cast lead slug +>fire via lanyard outside the tank in case your pissing hot reload blows the breech up +>yfw you will never be as /k/ as yemen +--- 57871142 +>>57866970 +That's what would do it for you? Not the already existing videos of massed wave attacks across open fields in broad daylight as artillery annihilates them? +--- 57871192 +>>57871142 +show one (1) video. +--- 57871310 +>>57871192 +https://twitter.com/Dean_Kastel/status/1618879525533921280?s=20 + +https://twitter.com/intermarium24/status/1606648638750564353?s=20 + +Not even the one I was thinking of, which is about 40 people running across a snow covered field as artillery comes in. + +How do you think pic related was replicated so many times? Not to mention captured Russians saying as much (e.g forced to advance under pain of being shot across open territory, if no one survived a second group is sent) +--- 57871746 +how do you solve the gearbox problem? +--- 57871807 +>>57865445 (OP) +If T-34s are photographed in battle in 202X I will consider the Russians defeated. +--- 57872180 +god what i wouldnt give to see a t34 being hit by a javelin in 4k diff --git a/k/57865458.txt b/k/57865458.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9f14e97eae58e16aff8b5d17fbcf5f74f64f4225 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57865458.txt @@ -0,0 +1,1073 @@ +----- +--- 57865458 +Heckler and Koch Special Edition +Old>>57861993 → +--- 57865488 +>>57865474 +You will never have her curves. +--- 57865493 +China man make best offset mount +--- 57865497 +>>57865458 (OP) +--- 57865498 +>>57865431 → +>ergo STILL using F93 stock in their promo pics +>haven't actually made it in 10 years and refuse to bring it back +wtf +--- 57865499 +>>57865474 +Is this you? +--- 57865509 +>>57865458 (OP) +--- 57865548 +>>57865242 → +>Guy told me that everything runs smoother if you keep everything in the silencerco system. +sounds like a load of shit and he just didnt want to lose a sale +--- 57865551 +>>57865499 +Yes, why? +--- 57865552 +>>57865452 → +Never heard of that. Meanwhile real pipehitters like Jeff Gurwitch and boots in syria sick of their A2s use BCM. +--- 57865566 +>>57865473 → +who are you referring to cus i am none of those things +--- 57865585 +>>57865548 +Hop told me that the padded Larry "LGBTQ+ Lover" Vickers sling is bad and too padded +What say you? +--- 57865587 +>>57864967 → +Can I use superglue or something around the edges to make the plug stop falling out? +--- 57865597 +>>57865585 +https://youtube.com/shorts/V1POv0LsX9g?feature=share +--- 57865599 +>>57865493 +Why is it to the side? +--- 57865607 +>>57865599 +poor qc +--- 57865610 +>>57865458 (OP) +the fuck happened to this thing? +--- 57865616 +>>57865585 +>Hop +--- 57865617 +>>57865548 +Delete this immediately. +--- 57865623 +So reddit lied about bridging optics and mounting LAMs onto Mlok Picatinny sections? +--- 57865624 +>>57865610 +Ash sat on it. +--- 57865631 +>>57865623 +Ok things are getting out of hand. +Y'all niggas need to stop stacking every god damn thing, on god bro. +--- 57865651 +>>57865624 +oh makes sense then. +--- 57865655 +Soon I will have a suppressor and will finally complete my rifle and be satisfied with it forever. +--- 57865665 +>>57865655 +Did you finally buy the rc2? +--- 57865673 +>>57865655 +nice tranny clone +--- 57865685 +>>57865655 +>TesticleGF clone +Nice dude. If it's good it's good idc who uses it. Good choice. +--- 57865689 +>>57865665 +I keep going back and forth on a saker and rc2. +On one hand, I want to mog people with the rc2, on the other, I'm saving for a house and $400 is a lot I could put away. +--- 57865691 +>>57865607 +I breed you mother, round eyes! +--- 57865704 +>>57865689 +Bruh just get the rc2, don't fuck around with a saker. RC2 will probably outlive you. +--- 57865745 +GWOT Pipesmoker? +--- 57865749 +>>57865704 +Honestly I had the money saved for the rc2 on a new cap one card I got that has a 1500 limit but I then I realized that with the tax stamp and all that shit it’s like 1700 and I just don’t have the liquid cash to cover it but I think the saker is the next best option. +--- 57865764 +>>57865745 +I hope someone murders your shitbull before it murders an infant +--- 57865773 +>>57865749 +Bro RC2's are $1300 out the door stamp included. +--- 57865776 +>>57865704 +You're probably right. +>>57865749 +This isn't me. It's probably ash. +--- 57865777 +man why are anons so full or hate and rage and anger why cant we all get along man peace and love +--- 57865778 +>>57865773 +He cute +--- 57865787 +>>57865777 +Godly trips +--- 57865791 +>>57865749 +Get a 0% interest card and pay it down slow; cans are for your whole life +--- 57865795 +I went to the range today. An old timer let me shoot at some tannerite he had set up at 100yds. I could barely see it with my naked eye (I only have a red dot) and only managed to hit the side and didn't set it off. LPVO time. +--- 57865796 +>>57865764 +Anon didn't I already tell you to kill yourself in the last thread? + +>>57865776 +So are you also kratom-addicted anon that works 4 hour shifts or something +--- 57865803 +>>57865796 +No I work 60 hours a week. I do drink kratom though. +--- 57865804 +>>57865796 +yes thats me im a chef +--- 57865805 +>>57865777 +You're right, anon. I wish this general was chiller +--- 57865807 +>>57865777 +its literally one guy pretending to be other posters and getting people mad at eachother. +--- 57865814 +>>57865778 +Gay +--- 57865816 +>>57865804 +Line cook* +--- 57865818 +>>57865776 +bro you're going to have to stockpile some new pictures for when you post. +--- 57865828 +>>57865805 +arg is contentious as fuck, arg is short for "argumentative" because that's all these people do in here. +--- 57865832 +>>57865814 +Holy fuck that paint looks so fucking bad. Also why is your helmet tan and your rifle green? +--- 57865833 +Can's are a pain in the @SS (2 3 4 » 95 96 97) +--- 57865839 +>>57865807 +>sb2 +Honestly I’ve been talking to Jose down at southern oaks pawn and gun a lot and he’s like dude there’s no reason to get an rc2 when a saker 556 is 99.9 percent there and plus I can’t afford the ammo to shoot 80k rounds and my bcm won’t even last that long so what’s the point plus my credit limit isn’t high enough for the rc2 and the tax stamp +--- 57865842 +>>57865814 +fat +--- 57865847 +>>57865804 +>I'm jeff + +>>57865803 +Ok +--- 57865849 +>>57865749 +Anon the Saker is fine. They're making a new flow through can too btw. Also, if you're gonna buy something in the RC2 price range you'd be much happier with a Huxwrx 556k. It is much more pleasant to shoot. +--- 57865851 +>>57865847 +I wish you had ass cancer instead of that other anon. +--- 57865864 +>>57865851 +Why tho +--- 57865874 +>>57865814 +--- 57865875 +>>57865617 +Happy merchant intensifies +--- 57865878 +>>57865839 +>his credit isn't good enough for $1500 +--- 57865880 +>>57865617 +oh for fucks sake +--- 57865881 +Made $300 selling old CS:GO cases I had on the marketplace, wish I could take the money out tho +--- 57865899 +>>57865839 +If you can't afford it you can't afford it, no shame in that. Better to have any can than no can at all. +--- 57865902 +>>57865881 +Buy a skin and then sell it for cash. +--- 57865912 +>>57865899 +This. The saker looks better anyway. +--- 57865914 +>>57865881 +You could exchange steam money to someone’s PayPal or crypto wallet +Also I want a Asimov skin for my AR15 +A2 said matech rears suck +--- 57865919 +>>57865828 +Fair. + +Why does no one in this general ever talk about the alpha tarac? Shit's dope and I will likely cop one in a week or two or maybe not if I shit goes badly +--- 57865927 +>>57865919 +>Why does no one in this general ever talk about the alpha tarac? +I only just found out about it a couple weeks ago to be honest. +--- 57865928 +>>57865914 +>A2 said matech rears suck +Would you jump off a bridge if A2 did it too? +--- 57865930 +>>57865864 +Ass cancer anons hobby is rescuing pits and euthanizing them with his bare hands. Kinda based Ngl +--- 57865944 +>>57865928 +>Would you jump off a bridge if A2 did it too? +If he lived to tell and said it was awesome, yeah. I jump off a bridge literally every year. It's a great way to start the new year. +--- 57865948 +>>57865928 +Yes unironically. + +I have terminal ass cancer btw. +--- 57865955 +>>57865927 +It's sick. Shifting Point of Aim pass a certain distance rather than relying on detectable emissions is pretty cool + +>>57865930 +What the hell are you talking about +--- 57865959 +>>57865919 +>alpha tarac +this is an exponent ICRO general +--- 57865965 +>>57865585 +Get a Slingster or the Edgar Sherman sling if you don't want a sling with metal components. + +>>57865616 +I wish a I had a wife like this who made groids seethe so effortlessly. + +>>57865773 +Guy looks 12. Face as smooth as a baby's arse. +--- 57865969 +>>57865955 +Still need magnification to PID +--- 57865971 +>>57865930 +You were on that livestream too? Fucking dude wrapped a power cord around his roommates dog and strangled it kek. Best part was watching the nigger dog shit itself and mouth foam right before it died. +--- 57865982 +>>57865930 +that sounds cool, anybody got a vid? +--- 57865986 +>>57865874 +Here's a jar of beef tallow I made to add to your collection of images of rendered animal fats. +--- 57865994 +>>57865969 +The alpha tarac is an overlay over the optics you should already have on ur gun dummy, it's not a replacement for anything. + +>>57865971 +Seek god +--- 57865995 +>>57865839 +This isn't me though +--- 57866001 +>>57865955 +>what the hell are you talking about +You didn’t know that ass cancer anon started #pitbulldropoff like 8 years ago and euthanizes pit bulls in his free time? How fucking new are you lol +--- 57866005 +>>57865994 +Some people use to to replace a magnifier, dummy. +--- 57866011 +>>57865919 +Because $500 can get you a magnifier or $500 worth of ammo to find out your holds +--- 57866017 +>>57866001 +I have no idea what you are talking about and am thankful I don't. I spend too much time on this website as it is, I only came back recently to post guns +--- 57866030 +>>57866017 +it is a fiesta tonight +--- 57866033 +>>57866005 +Why would you do that + +>>57866011 +You should be earning more than $500 a week, yet alone a day. It's not a one-or-the-other scenario. If it is, sure maybe get something before it. + +Why is no one posting guns? +--- 57866044 +>>57866030 +Yeah +--- 57866046 +>>57866017 +Just sayin good thing you don’t have a pitbull don’t want to end up like the last guys +--- 57866055 +>>57865807 +nah your builds are just trash and you're kind of easy to pick on +>SB2 +kek +--- 57866065 +>>57865971 +Did you catch the livestream where he stabbed the pregnant shitbull like a hundred times with an ice pick? I’ve seen a lot of shit but that was almost too much.. +--- 57866066 +>>57865986 +Thanks, anon! +--- 57866077 +>>57866046 +Unlikely, seek god and save your souls +--- 57866096 +>>57866055 +>The SB2’s larger bore diameter and innovative internal design deliver extremely low-back pressure and stealthy sound attenuation +Sounds like a really good can. I think I'll go to my class III dealer tomorrow and pick one up. Was really warry of how gassy the RC2 was so I'm glad Surefire makes another option. +--- 57866146 +>>57866055 +>sf can +>low back pressure +>less parts wear +>less gas to the face +>stealthy sound attenuation +>improved blast baffle +why do we hate this can again? +--- 57866166 +>>57866146 +cus a2 hasnt approved it +--- 57866179 +>>57866033 +>Why would you do that +less weight. +--- 57866186 +>>57866146 +>low back pressure +this is buyers regret cope +if you wanted a lower back pressure can you should have gotten one lmao +--- 57866205 +>>57865807 +https://youtu.be/Qt-pB1R64mI [Embed] +--- 57866242 +>>57866205 +I wish I could see shit like this when I'm on break at work just staring at the fields. +--- 57866248 +>chairbro hating on charli for relying on backing track +>blackpick shows up an hour late and lip syncs the whole time +Sad state of affairs for chairbro. +--- 57866278 +>listening to chinese girl music +listen to music for men +https://youtu.be/junnvYbCoDk [Embed] +--- 57866296 +>>57866278 +>listening to chinese girl music +Yes. +--- 57866318 +>>57865928 +Well he memed me into kac buis so I’ll take his words with a grain of salt next time +--- 57866319 +>>57865994 +>Seek god +Your cattle-religion is disgraceful. You're doing exactly what They want you to do, and They are laughing at you as you do it. +--- 57866376 +>>57866319 +oi vey goyim enough with the antisemetic remarks +--- 57866388 +>>57866179 +True + +>>57866319 +I am gonna go play caravan with my wife at the local cowboy lounge. I wish I could comfortably conceal carry an AR. Even when I could fold it, it wasn't that great even under the meatiest coats. Any recommendations, tips on it? For now, 92fs will be fine +--- 57866398 +>>57866388 +fold it again +--- 57866410 +>>57866388 +--- 57866444 +Is this the thick nigga thread? +--- 57866458 +>>57866444 +Ya. +--- 57866475 +>>57866388 +Pretty sure I watched a video of a nigger in chicongo pulling out an SBR and shooting some other niggers in a walk-by +--- 57866485 +>>57866458 +Danny Devito phenotype +--- 57866491 +This is the future, whether you like it or not. +--- 57866496 +>>57866458 +If I pull off that mask will he die? +--- 57866529 +>>57866491 +I refuse +--- 57866554 +>>57866491 +Alaskabro btfo? +--- 57866566 +>>57866554 +>Alaskabro +>Sigger +Run +Fast +--- 57866568 +>>57866491 +pls redeem the trailer hitch good sirs +--- 57866575 +>>57866554 +What you say to me boi +--- 57866576 +>>57866491 +what rail is this so I can not buy it +--- 57866580 +>>57866576 +>rail +it's the whole rifle anon +--- 57866584 +>>57866576 +Spear +Just wait for Arisaka to release the cope nuts to "fix" it +--- 57866585 +>>57866576 +oh it's a proprietary rail on a $4,000 gun, don't worry +--- 57866586 +>>57866576 +Sig Sewer MCX spear +--- 57866594 +>>57866576 +IDK ask alaskabro. +--- 57866668 +>>57866584 +>>57866585 +>>57866586 +>>57866594 +How fucked are soldiers who get issued these things? +--- 57866675 +>>57866668 +dead in the streets +--- 57866695 +>>57866668 +>How fucked are soldiers who get issued these things? +not as fucked as the ones on the receiving end of CAS. big army can get away with being unfathomably retarded +--- 57866749 +>>57865623 +Instead of stacking shit you'll never properly use on your weapons, spend time and money getting good at fucking hitting your fucking target and keeping your weapon functional.. Damn y'all are fucking weapons grade cringe. +--- 57866799 +Any interest in an A2 grip milled out of solid brass? Weight would be approximately 2.4lbs. +--- 57866863 +>>57866799 +who would ever want this +--- 57866882 +i dont think Brownelles will deliver my g19 mags on time +--- 57866909 +>>57866799 +I'll take 20 +>>57866586 +swayt jaysus +--- 57866987 +gods i was strong then +--- 57867146 +>>57865604 → +Did you really post your wife’s face on here? +--- 57867185 +If I buy an rc2, and the back pressure is ridiculous,(because my rifle is very gassy) what can I do to mitigate it on my rifle? Just get a gas buster Ch and adjustable bcg? +--- 57867193 +>>57867185 +rtv mod ur fucking ch already +--- 57867210 +>>57865839 +Why do they fall for it every single time? +--- 57867264 +>>57867185 +Why do you think the RC2 is high back pressure? It's notoriously low back pressure +--- 57867324 +I wasn’t thinking +>thats right! you weren’t thinking +And I put this beef straight from the slow cooker into a bag then got such a huge whiff of melted plastic. Should I eat the rest or does that mean it has plastic in it now? +--- 57867351 +>>57866296 +Damn, Angelina jolie was so hot in the movie +>>57867264 +I just mean a can in general. +Tell me Vic, what's the difference in performance between a 556 can and a larger bore like a 30 cal? +--- 57867352 +>>57867324 +lol +lmao +u can still eat it the plastic melts inwards itself and unless it is physically stuck to the meat then its not in there at all +--- 57867363 +>>57867352 +Awesome thanks. It was fucking good I can’t believe I waited this long to get one. +--- 57867453 +>>57866410 +>>57866398 +I want it to be ready to fire. + +Hello everyone. I am back from the lounge with my wife. How is everyone's evening going? + +I lost to my wife twice at caravan. +--- 57867528 +>>57867351 +>what's the difference in performance between a 556 can and a larger bore like a 30 cal? +The hell do you think? Worse performance when used on a 556 dedicated can. Slightly less back pressure. You know how suppressor work right? trapping the gas and cooling it? The more that exits the front via larger bore is worse flash and sound. +--- 57867560 +>>57865655 +You shouldn't even be allowed to own firearms you addict +--- 57867572 +>>57867351 +You don’t have a .30 cal cease this. +--- 57867647 +>>57866410 +>>57866398 +I am back and I do not like these answers + +My wife beat me twice in caravan +--- 57867810 +>>57867351 +She looked good when she was younger. Too bad she's fucking crazy. +--- 57867861 +I wont elaborate on my method but I will inform everyone here than surefire batteries are free. +--- 57867874 +>>57867810 +yeah crazy sociopathic bitch sabotaged her marriage and her kids lives. +--- 57867888 +>>57865655 +You're literally a drug addict. That's why you're always broke, a slave to your vice. +--- 57867919 +>>57867874 +Yep. And people tolerate and enable that type of behavior these days. Stunning and brave. It's kind of funny that Pitt plays a guy who killed his wife for being a bitch in that Tarantino movie. +--- 57867959 +>>57865458 (OP) +What the fuck is this? Source? +--- 57868113 +Here I am just hoping the PA 5x microprism has someone make some sort of piggyback rds mount for a hilariously better than acog+rds combo for 1/4th the price. +--- 57868129 +>>57868113 +There's an offset dot mount floating around somewhere +--- 57868902 +is a 1.93” scope mount enough to get over a fsp for an LPVO or should i just get a riser mount? +--- 57868905 +Noguns Euro here, is the argument of overpenetration with an ar15 as an home defence gun relevant if I live in a typical european house where all walls are made of bricks and concrete? +External walls thickness is roughly 20" and internal around 11" +--- 57868941 +>>57868905 +just dont miss. its point blank +--- 57868954 +>>57866749 +>you'll never use all that! +t. projectionist +--- 57868972 +So, if you're <21, diagnosed with depression, in MA. You can get ANYTHING? +--- 57869039 +>>57868972 +How the fuck should I know? Do you want me to google that for you? +--- 57869118 +>>57868905 +don't use a 20" barrel, and use hollow points. be aware of where you're shooting, shoot at a downward angle, position yourself so there's no houses behind the target if possible. +--- 57869290 +it was a much simpler time. + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lmvX00TLY [Embed] +--- 57869362 +>>57869290 +conveniently cropped photo I must say +--- 57869383 +>>57868902 +Ummm sir lpvos are gay +--- 57869439 +>>57868902 +Are you currently experiencing issues with the FSB? It’s really not a big deal. +--- 57869509 +>>57865493 +what mount is it? +--- 57869523 +>>57869383 +No, I have an acog. +>>57869439 +It just takes up a chunk of the fov. I have it on an aero 1.5” mount and just want to see if getting a 1.93” mount would be suffice or if I should just put it on a .5” riser? If these are good options? I don’t mind seeing the fsp a little I just want to see it a lot less +--- 57869532 +>>57867453 +I lost to my fiance twice last night at the Taco Bell Party Pack card game. +--- 57869576 +>>57869523 +I guess that would help. I don’t have personal experience with those because I don’t mind the FSB. +--- 57869628 +>>57869290 +https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kZwhNFOn4ik&pp=ygUcaW50ZXJpb3IgY3JvY29kaWxlIGFsbGlnYXRvcg%3D%3D [Embed] +--- 57869666 +>>57869362 +huh + +>>57869628 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj_E5UImoyo [Embed] +--- 57869796 +>>57869666 +Checked + +I need to clean my truck, how do I get the motivation to do so. +--- 57869838 +>Pay ungodly amounts of money to train with GBRS +>Get protein powder, a single p mag, jerky, and Sig stickers as a perk +--- 57869854 +>>57869838 +Don’t forget that patch there. That way you can flex on the gram to show non-operators you’re better than them. +--- 57869887 +>>57869838 +More like NGRS +--- 57869897 +found inspo for that anon building a 416. already has the right rail and everything. +--- 57869946 +>>57869838 +>train with GBRS +HAH, LOOK AT THIS NEVERSERVED + +YOU LIKE COOKIES, NEVERSERVED? + +DO YOU WANT A COOKIE? FAGGOT. +--- 57869953 +>>57869532 +Not familiar with that card game + +Good morning /arg/ I have a massive hangover. +--- 57869995 +>>57869897 +>$4900 +Talk me out of it and/or buy it for me. +--- 57870019 +>>57869897 +It's missing a grenade launcher and a mag holder on the stock. +--- 57870076 +>>57869897 +>>57870019 +I want a 416 because the rail makes it look like picrel. +--- 57870181 +>>57869666 +there's a small engraved bit of information that details the model of suppressor just a little higher up than the photo shows. may we see it? +--- 57870240 +>>57869838 +Srs question, did these guys invent the hydra mount? I have never seen anyone IRL use one but they have them in all their pics. +--- 57870272 +>>57870240 +So there's DJ, cole, and Slade who were in GBRS a few years ago. DJ fucked Slade's wife so Slade left GBRS and started Irregulars. While in GBRS they were all designing shit like the Hydra but it never got released. Slade said he designed it first and GBRS copied it and released it before he could release it himself. + +To my knowledge there has been no lawsuits so this could all be bullshit but it played out over social media. +--- 57870357 +Hey /k, I’m back with more of my bullshit. Been here a few times about my AR having feeding issues. Thought I fixed it through lube, but still have issues. +Basically the last 2 range trips my buffer spring gets caught halfway home and the bolt gets stuck. Only the very tip of the bolt is poking into the receiver. Bonus, it ONLY happens on after the last bullet. Whenever I finish a mag it jams. Planning on ordering a new tighter spring. Any other thoughts or advice? +Pic related was yesterdays range trip +--- 57870385 +>>57870357 +must be the holosuns fault +--- 57870412 +>>57870357 +I certainly hope you aren't referring to the bolt locking back after you empty a mag because that's supposed to happen. +--- 57870427 +>>57870412 +No no no. I know for certain the buffer spring is stuck. Forward assist and release don’t do anything. +--- 57870444 +>>57870427 +stuck on what? its a bare tube inside +--- 57870455 +>>57870427 +To add it does lock back correctly SOMETIMES on an empty mag. But other times it full on stops halfway and refuses to budge unless you pop off the upper. +--- 57870480 +>>57870455 +probably some piece of metal that needs filed down somewhere is my guess. you need to experiment with it and try inducing it youself, seeing where it's getting hung up on, why it won't budge, etc +--- 57870481 +>>57867264 +>It's notoriously low back pressure +No, it's middle ground as far as back pressure goes. Actual low back pressure is stuff like the flow, velos etc. +--- 57870482 +>>57870444 +That’s what I thought. I brought to the front counter of the range where an employee that actually knows about ARs could not get the bolt to release for a good 15 minutes. Used the release, forward assist, even mortared it a few times. Only that got the spring to snap forward was taking the upper off and depressing the spring a bit then releasing. Originally I assumed it was because it’s never had any sort of lube on it. It’s been dry since I bought it. But now it’s still doing the same thing even after lubing it up. +--- 57870495 +Guys help there's a good-looking woman attracted to me but she's one of those witch-types and I'm a good Christian boy I'm scared +>>57869897 +disgusting +>>57869995 +Not worth the few hundred dollars more just for the rollmarks imo, unless it's OTB +--- 57870524 +>>57870357 +I hate your fucking ARs furniture what barrel, gas system bcg, and spring r u running? +--- 57870534 +>>57870482 +it seems there's a burr or something inside the buffer tube. take the spring out and shine a light in there. +--- 57870537 +>>57866096 +Have you ever tried an SB2 and RC2 on the same gun? the difference in gas to the face in unnoticeable +--- 57870545 +>>57870495 +>unless it's OTB +Is OTB really that important? +--- 57870567 +>>57870524 +It’s just magpul furniture? What’s to hate. As for specs don’t know entirely. It was a gift from my uncle. Was a stock DPMS, pic related. Then I put on a new A2 barrel and a cheap rifle length buffer tube(most likely the issue). +--- 57870569 +>>57870545 +Not really, you have to go full OTB everything to reap the benefits and that's really only quick drainage after being submersed in water. All the other additions (extractor support pin) aren't really that helpful from what I've read +--- 57870585 +>>57870495 +>witch-types +you can fix her +--- 57870598 +>>57867264 +What? not compared to a modern flow through suppressor. It's probably more middle ground? +--- 57870601 +>>57866458 +holy shit what the fuck is that. kill it with fire. +--- 57870605 +>>57869666 +>>57869290 +SB2 is the wrong suppressor for this build. I'd recommend an RC2 :) +--- 57870608 +>>57870601 +inspo for the dmt rifle. +--- 57870622 +>>57870605 +I find it funny that he's always posting pictures but he can't post the rc2 engraving on his can... +--- 57870626 +>>57870608 +do the opposite of whatever that thing does +--- 57870629 +>>57870585 +I mean I can try +--- 57870640 +john wick is kind of stupid and gay +--- 57870646 +>>57870640 +DUDE but it's an ACTION MOVIE for GUN GUYS so you HAVE TO LIKE IT! +--- 57870650 +>>57870629 +What piston system is this? +--- 57870664 +>>57870495 +when it comes to the witch you have 2 choices. +>fuck her brains out and know it wont end well +>walk away and save your time, energy and money +--- 57870668 +>>57870650 +416 +--- 57870674 +>>57870495 +>Guys help there's a good-looking woman attracted to me but she's one of those witch-types and I'm a good Christian boy I'm scared +not worth it, she'll be a net drain on your emotionally and spiritually. +--- 57870683 +>>57870567 +>cheap rifle length buffer tube(most likely the issue). +likely, is it very noisy when you work the charging handle? are you using a rifle length buffer spring? take a look inside, feel around in there with a cleaning pad and see if you feel anything. take the bolt carrier out and inspect it for unusual wear +>>57870629 +what's the worst that can happen +--- 57870694 +>>57870664 +>>57870674 +I'll do my best to resist the devils temptation. +>>57870683 +>what's the worst that can happen +I get sacrificed +--- 57870703 +I have an extra lower kicking around. Ideas? H2 buffer and MBT2S. +--- 57870704 +>>57870694 +>I'll do my best to resist the devils temptation. +don't try, just do. I just tried dating a narcissist, most lonely time of my life. God > wet hole, let alone a witch +--- 57870721 +>>57870703 +SPR +>>57870704 +Sorry to hear that anon, I will heed your advice +--- 57870731 +>>57870683 +Yeah the tube and spring are correct length, just cheap. I ordered it a few years ago(I don’t shoot often) and never got around to testing it until I finished getting the new furniture installed. And the tube was a bit dry the first time it got stuck. Made a bit of a dry scrape noise when racking. Now that it’s lubricated it slides smoother but still gets stuck. Gunna order a Tubbs spring soon. +--- 57870738 +>>57870694 +>I get sacrificed +just free wheel it out of there when it starts getting spooky, grab as many cacti and crystals as you can carry and block her number +--- 57870755 +>>57870738 +Anyways, um... I bought a whole bunch of shungite rocks, do you know what shungite is? Anybody know what shungite is? No, not Suge Knight, I think he's locked up in prison. I'm talkin' shungite. Anyways, it's a two billion year-old like, rock stone that protects against frequencies and unwanted frequencies that may be traveling in the air. That's my story, I bought a whole bunch of that stuff. Put 'em around the la casa. Little pyramids, stuff like that. +--- 57870769 +>>57870755 +You fucked a witch girl and stole her rocks, didn't you +--- 57870776 +>>57870755 +>shungite +based, some people ground it up and paint their houses with it. +--- 57870813 +>>57870731 +>it slides smoother but still gets stuck. +well find out what's getting stuck, a raspy buffer tube isn't uncommon, most tubes will sound sandy if they don't have a dry lube coating. tubb spring is always a good call. can you swap back to the carbine tube and see if you feel a difference? +>>57870755 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN5mJcd1DRs [Embed] +--- 57870834 +Anyone have a Wolf A1? How do you like it? I've heard mixed results on accuracy and recoil. Some say it's overgassed and some say it's not. Some say it's almost as accurate as a basic bitch AR some say it shoots 2.5MOA. +--- 57870844 +>>57865548 +saker 556k is great though +--- 57870849 +>>57870769 +>You fucked a witch girl +chairbro is pure and not for lewd. +--- 57870860 +>>57870849 +my apologies +--- 57870911 +Am I the only one that noticed that in all of A2's pictures you never see him using an RC2? It's always either a saker 556k, a KAC can or an AEM5. Just get the saker DMT. +--- 57870927 +>>57865777 +You are posting in a general that constantly shit on people's AR setup that don't match fag2's "approved" setup or whatever is the current bs trend on the internet that gets epeen points. +This general is shit and will always be shit. +--- 57870942 +>>57870755 +>rock stone that protects against frequencies +--- 57870945 +>>57870911 +That's because he prefers KAC and was testing the 556k iirc +--- 57870975 +>>57870911 +Everyone is telling me something different, and YouTube videos are all over the place. I watched one video where the guy said don't get a 556 can get a 30 cal because there's no difference in performance. +There's not a lot of consistent information on the subject. +I just got my bonus+tax return. I'm sitting on 8k right now but I'm not crystal clear on what to buy and it sucks. +--- 57870987 +>>57870975 +stop. you're trying too hard to think it over. rc2 and be done. get moving too, you're looking at a full year wait now. +--- 57871010 +>>57870987 +>you're looking at a full year wait now. +--- 57871017 +>>57870975 +Buy saker for your bcm +Buy rc2 for collecting purposes +--- 57871021 +>>57870975 +30 cal cans on 556 guns aren't very good especially when it comes to flash. You don't own a single 30 cal gun so why do you even care? Get the saker 556k and be done with it and use the money you saved to buy a dedicated 30 cal can if you ever happen to get a 30 cal gun. +--- 57871022 +>>57871010 +going up every day. tick tock bud +--- 57871036 +if you buy the saker you'll always regret not getting the rc2. +--- 57871038 +>>57870975 +If you are on a budget you get the saker 556k downside being higher back pressure if you are willing to spend more money get the HUXWRX flow 556k. Rc2 is for clone larp +--- 57871046 +and whatever you do, don't get the sb2. look at desert furry. you want to end up like him? +--- 57871061 +>>57870975 +Be ahead of the meta and get a velos lbp. +--- 57871069 +>>57870975 +Have you considered the RC2 mini? I think it may check all the boxes for you. Either that or a Huxwrx. I think you should do more research before you make a rash decision. You'll have the can forever and they're expensive so do all the research you can. Take your time :^) +--- 57871071 +>>57871022 +am I schizo to think this whole efile thing was a ruse and they're just gonna drag it out as long as possible anyway with more control to do so now? +--- 57871075 +>>57871046 +he's been trying to pass it off as an rc2 as well. very, very sad. +--- 57871085 +>>57871071 +idk. I waited 9 months. I cannot imagine it's going to get better +--- 57871086 +>>57871075 +I've tried them both. The RC2 sounds better and I couldn't even notice any difference in gas to the face. +--- 57871095 +>>57871075 +I've tried them both. SB2 sounds better and there's a considerable amount less gas to the face. +--- 57871100 +>>57870849 +>sb2 +>raid with no nods to actually use it with +couldn't be me +--- 57871111 +>>57871086 +the whole "gas to the face" thing has been blown wildly out of proportion here for some reason. it's truly not anywhere near what anons here seem to think and I think it stems from most people just not ever using a can before. +--- 57871116 +>>57866749 +Its a scope, laser, and red dot, stop screeching retard +--- 57871119 +>>57871111 +Nah it's an actual concern if you're a lefty or you shoot indoors a lot +--- 57871122 +>>57871111 +well it's subjective. if you're 120lbs, can barely hold your rifle out with one hand/arm for more than 20 seconds, were afraid of the common cold and got vaccinated, drink onions lattes every day - it probably is a very scary and unpleasant amount of gas to you. +--- 57871124 +>the whole "gas to the face" thing has been blown wildly out of proportion here for some reason +Also +>RC2 is the tranny can of choice +Welp SB2 it is. +--- 57871126 +>>57871119 +>lefty +disgusting +>shoot inside +also disgusting +--- 57871128 +just got back from the range using my new RC2, picrel is me i didnt rtv mod my ch and got brapped a few times +--- 57871135 +>>57871124 +>dictating your life choices based on trannies +>even following what trannies are doing +--- 57871137 +>>57871122 +It's poisonous +--- 57871144 +>>57871124 +I don't think its blown out at all. Taken from magpul's mbus 3 promo video +--- 57871146 +gas to the face? nah. gasbuster ch. simple as. +--- 57871154 +>>57871137 +so is the vaccine, the genetically modified food you eat every single day, the toxic air we breathe daily, the microplastics in everything, the HFCS in everything, the sugar in everything, the carcinogens in everything. if you're that concerned why not wear a gask mask around everywhere +--- 57871158 +Poortex coming back from the shop tomorrow +--- 57871162 +>>57871158 +what is even being done to the vortex? +--- 57871167 +RC2xisters... How do we cope? +--- 57871169 +>>57871111 +Look bro I'm just going to turn my gas system down and eat shunganite to protect my body from the leads +--- 57871173 +Niggers inhaling lead gas all day is why this general is so retarded +--- 57871176 +>>57871169 +based. I'm charging my crystals as we speak. +--- 57871177 +>>57871162 +I dropped my rifle off a crag hiking down a valley, it fell 20 feet and afterward my vortex would turn off randomly at the brightest setting. It was fine at lower settings but it irked me so I sent it in +--- 57871181 +>>57871167 +>desert furry trying to turn everyone away from the rc2 so he can finally reveal he really did buy an sb2 +--- 57871184 +>>57871177 +the fact it still worked at all is nice. probably a loose connection/wire. +--- 57871189 +>>57871167 +better question is how will this thing cope when all the guns are banned in WA? +--- 57871200 +>>57871189 +xhe will simply bash the fash, chud +--- 57871202 +>>57870975 +You need an RC2 because it's TesticleGF clone correct. +--- 57871204 +>>57865773 +He would be so hot if he grew out a beard. +--- 57871212 +>>57871184 +The circuit for the highest setting probably had a broken solder joint +>>57871181 +Explain the difference between rc2 and sb2 like your speaking to someone with 30 years of lead vapor inhalation +--- 57871213 +>>57871202 +how does it feel knowing that a mentally ill tranny has a can and you don't? +--- 57871219 +>>57871213 +there are anons here that don't currently have 1000 dollars in disposable funds. crazy. +--- 57871230 +>>57871212 +sb2 has like different baffles or something idk. rc2 is rated to be on 10 or longer barrels. sb must be for shorter than that +--- 57871235 +>>57871219 +that's probably 90% of the country, there's over 12 million unemployed right now. during the great depression there were 15 million unemployed. +--- 57871237 +>>57871212 +SB2 isn't used by trannies. Simple as. +--- 57871243 +>>57871200 +it gives me great pleasure to browse liberal gun owners reddit and watch them reap the WA AWB they have sowed. +--- 57871252 +>>57871243 +>getting pleasure from trannies +thats gay bro +--- 57871255 +We've reached the shitpost stage of weekend /arg/, I'm clocking out for a bit +--- 57871257 +>>57871237 +he has a penis too. you should probably get rid of yours. don't wanna be like the youtube tranny do you? +--- 57871259 +A few weeks ago I was in this thread bitching about CZ discontinuing their Scorpion Carbine and them becoming unobtanium. They just announced during NRA show 2023 they will be bringing the 3 plus carbine back in small numbers so I’m stoked. My issue is I can’t find a good release date and I’m not sure which vendors they will shipping to first. I’d like to order from the first batch if possible, do any of you guys know any more info on that? I know it’s a stretch but I don’t want to miss it. It’s the only PCC I’m willing to buy so I can practice drills 5 mins from my house instead of driving an hour away to the rifle range. +--- 57871262 +>>57871257 +How big is it +--- 57871268 +>>57871257 + +is this the RC2 cope ive been hearing about? >>57871167 +--- 57871269 +>>57871259 +>CZ discontinuing their Scorpion Carbine +Good. +--- 57871270 +>>57871259 +CZ allocation is kind of random +Highly suggest contacting vendors who move a lot of brens for a head start +--- 57871316 +>>57871270 +When I look into CZ, I’m mostly directed towards more obscure shops like Omaha outdoors and BUDs. I know PSA and brownells peddle their pistols too. I guess I can just push an email out to all of them, couldn’t hurt I guess. +--- 57871367 +>>57871212 +Berhaps + +>>57871184 +Yeah I was overall impressed with how well it held up. My gun landed directly on the surefire x300, snapped the tail cap clip that keeps the batteries in. Somehow kept working as long as it was attached to a rail, preventing the tail cap from opening too much to let the batteries out. It was a gnarly drop. +--- 57871376 +Ash would make a beautiful girl +--- 57871412 +What's a cheap upper/lower set I can build? (no intent on firing; just want a display replica) +--- 57871429 +>>57871412 +Bca +--- 57871459 +>>57870567 +Can’t hate on a free gun but maybe swap out your buffer spring for a sprinco flat wire and see what happens from there +--- 57871484 +>>57870357 +Have you tried different magazines and the same issue arises? +--- 57871486 +>sb2 bad because…. +--- 57871498 +>>57871486 +only trannies suggest rc2. sb2 (shemale beater) reigns supreme. +--- 57871516 +>>57865919 +I pre-ordered the 4.0 and am waiting to throw it on my block 2. +--- 57871538 +>>57871429 +Thanks. I'm not willing to go through an FFL. I want a totally off-grid purchase. +--- 57871607 +>>57871498 +rc2 is available in 7.62, sb2 is 5.56 only. + +Only trannies shoot 5.56 anyway, but your gripe about the rc2 seems unwarranted. +--- 57871618 +>>57871607 +rc2 is only for testiclegf clones. +--- 57871652 +>>57871538 +tokyo marui makes good steel 1:1 airsoft replicas +--- 57871665 +>>57871652 +Tokyo Marui is precisely non-metallic. +--- 57871672 +>>57871665 +you would know, noguns +--- 57871675 +>>57871652 +--- 57871680 +>>57871167 +Sb2 hater has been awfully quiet since this post. +--- 57871681 +>>57871672 +I'm an hasguns but I like those airsoft replicas, they're great for training. I have one or two for each of my real funs. +--- 57871699 +>>57871692 → + +move on over to new +>>57871692 → + + +>>57871692 → + + +>>57871692 → +--- 57871702 +>>57871167 +who gives a shit +--- 57871707 +>>57871681 +So fren, what do you recommend? diff --git a/k/57865520.txt b/k/57865520.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..34ebf6fc02e3a83166eab51199520a24daed24ef --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57865520.txt @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +----- +--- 57865520 +Why the science do some scopes cost as much and more often than not more than the rifle itself? +--- 57866199 +>>57865520 (OP) +These birds freak me the fuck out to be honest. I wonder how it tastes. +--- 57866215 +>>57866199 +what is it? +--- 57866250 +It's harder to make high precision glass to exacting qualities with extreme clarity and strength with good light gathering qualities and place them in direct relatiin to each other while also making it possible to increase and decrease the focal position to adjust the actual level of magnification perceived than it is to make a metal box contain a small explosion in a repeatable way without going kaboom. +--- 57866258 +>>57866215 +Shoebill. Google image search Shoebill staring. Its the same look every time. +--- 57866279 +Same reason a good micro/telescope or camera is expensive. Designing and manufacturing lenses that give a clear image with low distortion is expensive and highly specialized. Not many companies do it and even fewer do it well. +Ask a pathologist how much they invest in scopes and maintenance. You can make a good living just learning how to clean them properly. +--- 57866285 +>>57866258 +>3-4.5 feet tall +these are some big birds with some long fucking legs +--- 57866347 +>>57866250 +While the glass and coating quality is absolutely something that contributes to cost, the real thing that differentiates a good scope from a great scope is repeatable turret tracking. And even some high-end ones aren't perfect. If you don't do a tall target test with your scopes, you could be tracking at 98% accuracy and not even know it. It may not seem like much, but at extended ranges it really adds up. +--- 57867820 +>>57866199 +probably like any other shitbird. i'd guess this would be worse, as it is rather thin, with little meat compared to geese, ducks or chickuns +--- 57867838 +>>57866285 +still look very dinosaur-like +https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7Gqgbj9mIH4 +--- 57867881 +>>57865520 (OP) +>Why the science +--- 57867890 +>>57867838 +bot +--- 57867980 +>>57866199 +I think they’re cool, like modern day remnants of the dinosaur era. Much cooler than virgin birds. Also, they sound like machineguns. +--- 57867996 +>>57866199 +Machinegun noises: + +https://youtu.be/kDMHHw8JqLE [Embed] +--- 57868034 +>>57867881 +I think the “oh my science” soijaks are funny +--- 57868047 +>>57865520 (OP) +The same reason glasses are more expensive than fireworks. +--- 57868051 +>>57868034 +I remember a greentext here making fun of Oppenheimer. “Oh. My. Science. I have become le destroyer of worlds”.. made me lol +--- 57868345 +>>57866199 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ArjlPAU_X4 [Embed] + +>>57865520 (OP) +see +>>57866250 +>>57866279 +These. +Last time I checked, very high quality optical glass can cost as much as $1000 USD per pound. Figure double the weight of the finished lens for loss in cutting and shaping, that means 8 ounces of finished glass is $1000 USD. That's just the glass. Then you have to manufacture the tube it goes into. The turrets. The reticle. Very fine machining for the adjustment bits. It needs to be both robust and capable of very fine adjustment and hold that adjustment under high shock loads. They're actually pretty damn impressive feats of engineering when you think about it. +--- 57868449 +>>57866258 +>Its the same look every time. + +no shit son, its a bird +not like they have a ton of facial features to look different +--- 57868489 +>>57865520 (OP) +ever polish a piece of stainless steel to a mirror shine? +>Try hand polishing a 3x1 inch piece and then bill yourself at $10 bucks an hour. +Try polishing glass afterwards! +--- 57869351 +>>57868345 +>>57866199 +Birds in general are fucked in the head that's not specific to shoebills. At least hand raised shoebills seem to be super chill with their handlers and I think they're cute. +--- 57869774 +>Why the science +I'm going to need you to kill yourself immediately. +--- 57870039 +>>57865520 (OP) +Why's this bird giving us "fuck me" eyes? diff --git a/k/57865565.txt b/k/57865565.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e36141e881b309e6be517a9509734a46a54a4090 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57865565.txt @@ -0,0 +1,50 @@ +----- +--- 57865565 +What are some military history documentaties /k/ likes? +--- 57866415 +>What are some military history documentaries /k/ likes? +Fury +--- 57866457 +>>57865565 (OP) +y r u posting guppies kek +--- 57866486 +>>57866415 +I know its ironic but it was a cool movie but the tank combat made no sense for the most part, such as the Easy Eight not being able to penetrate a tiger and why the tiger would leave its position to close the gap. Worst part is the final battle where the Sherman takes like 10 Panzerfausts +--- 57866490 +they shall not grow old is kino and make me cry erytiem +--- 57866517 +>>57866486 +Also with the Tiger firing while moving and the Tiger not shooting the lead vehicle in the ambush (which was also the one with the 76mm) +--- 57866518 +>>57865565 (OP) +You have zero humanity if you enjoy watching Moeshitter shows. For most of human history, the stories passed down for generations have largely been epics in the form of religious prose, poetry, or song. This is because people enjoy hearing a good story of heroes and warriors triumphing over evil, getting past obstacles and going on a long journey like the Odyssey or the Epic of Gilgamesh. From these old stories came derivations which birthed genres like comedy, tragedy, satire, romance etc. These ancient stories have persevered in the modern era and has given forth new stories in the anime industry. Shounen as a genre is as big as it is because it has the same themes that make it comparable to an ancient epic. Romance and comedy come after because they too share these characteristics. But with Moetrash, you don't get any of that historical tradition. You have a group of cute girls doing nothing for as many chapters as possible. They do normal life activities like school or hanging out but contextualized with terrible satirical writing from a 40 year old otaku mangaka who never had a social life and thus can only guess how a young japanese girl would act. You as a reader are only observing boring and ordinary people and come away with no sense of awe or wonder. Really, you just consume a fictional character's life like a mindless normalfaggot browsing their favorite celebrity on IG. And while every reader has vicariously lived through the characters they enjoy, what does the moeshitter worship? A hero? A villain? A tragic character? No one. Just a retarded 14 year old chuuni girl written as a terrible overused trope. +I will never watch a single episode of moeshit ever in my entire life. + +TDLR, run, fast. +--- 57867194 +>>57866490 +Possibly the best war documentary. +--- 57868979 +>>57865565 (OP) +Bro sometimes I think youtube channels do a better job than traditional documentaries. +--- 57870037 +>>57866518 +Woah, based. +--- 57870066 +>>57866517 +>Tiger not shooting the lead vehicle in the ambush +Odd, I always thought it's better to shoot the last vehicle so they have no way to retrat +--- 57870257 +>>57866490 +It's a pity that pretty much all the footage we have of the Great War is either training or staged for propaganda, but I guess that's just how it goes given how new and rare video cameras were at the time +--- 57870294 +Ken Burns' one on Vietnam was the last one I watched. Not his best work IMO but a solid 8/10 +--- 57870349 +>>57866518 +--- 57870377 +>>57870294 +I rewatched the first episode and that intro with the distorted guitar and footage being rewinded is very nice +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOwiJzPymuM [Embed] +--- 57872665 +>>57866518 +...he says, posting chink cartoons diff --git a/k/57865860.txt b/k/57865860.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d21c8bb96b3666bf81e7009e2c13a54c3a8daf95 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57865860.txt @@ -0,0 +1,216 @@ +----- +--- 57865860 +Assuming there would be no external help from the US or China and that NK wouldn’t use nukes on SK in this fantasy scenario. Who would come out on top? +--- 57865923 +>>57865860 (OP) +Dysgenic, malnourished, commie conscripts and their soviet era equipment get flattened. +--- 57865938 +>>57865860 (OP) +No nukes? NK would get curb stomped +--- 57865977 +>>57865923 +This, their best are more disciplined entertainers at most and they can't even keep them free of parasites while their armor and aircraft will have the same results any "WW2 military vs modern one"' would. Seoul will probably get fucked up by artillery since they likely do a much better job maintaining shit than Russians or Poos but NK as a whole gets obliterated with ease. +>>57865938 +Even with nukes I'm giving it to SK, NK's delivery systems are too shit to not be intercepted beyond a few km past the borders. +--- 57866118 +>>57865860 (OP) +>NK vs SK no foreign aid +SK spends more on its military then NK does on its entire country +there really isnt a contest here + +the only advantage NK has is that it has 4M men under arms, though most will need to be sent out with obsolete bolt-actions and AKMs to actually meet frontline strength +and their sheer stockpile of tanks, but as above most are T-62s, modernized T-62s, and locally made T-62s +but korea is very rugged and mountainous with few good avenues of approach, meaning that north koreas sole advantage in numbers will be hard to bring to bear +--- 57866197 +>>57865860 (OP) +It's tough because North Korea has sufficient artillery and ballistic missile stocks to flatten pretty much everything near the border including a large portion of Seoul. South Korea doesn't really have much of a real response to this, and even with how outdated and poorly equipped and supplied North Korean forces are, they have an overwhelming advantage in manpower and armor deployed near the border, so seizing a buffer area and pushing deep, at least in the short term, is entirely doable. + +They could never realistically seize the entire peninsula before South Korea got their shit together and started leveraging their air power to make any North Korean advances prohibitively costly even for uncaring North Korean leadership, but pushing them out of South Korea would be difficult and costly. Upon finally achieving that, the push into North Korea itself would be immensely difficult and potentially even impossible for South Korean forces on their own. You have to consider, North Korea is dotted with an enormous network of deep tunnels and is extremely mountainous. The entire country is built for these kinds of scenarios, with every road and pass specifically created with it in mind. If push comes to shove they can just blow the mountain passes, use tunnels to shift forces around and concentrate in the few areas that are relatively easy for advancing forces to maneuver in. + +Neither side has sufficient capabilities to take the other out singlehandedly, and neither force is really built to do so. North Korea is a much weaker country than South Korea but it focuses nearly all of its capabilities on these kinds of scenarios. Their defensive strategy is built to negate South Korean air superiority, constrain South Korean logistics, and use transportation constraints to force South Korean forces into pockets while North Korean forces can more quickly and freely shift around. I just don't see a way for the RoK military to take the north. +--- 57866252 +>>57865860 (OP) +SK is fucking terrifying. They have a modern air force with standoff munitions, modern SAMs, a modern navy, and a very tank + artillery heavy army. The first few hours would be a clusterfuck with Seoul and Pyongyang getting leveled, troops (probably North Korean) being murdered on the DMZ, with things becoming clearer by day 2 or 3. North Korea may have a fighting chance of taking Seoul but it is not taking the peninsula again. South Korea might be able to take North Korea past Pyongyang but holy fuck the costs would be enormous. + +This is ignoring the possibility of either side just folding btw. Like if North Korea got most of the SK Army in garrison and just glassed Seoul with all the political leadership fleeing to the US. Or if SK killed KJU within the first 30 minutes and the leadership fragmented. +--- 57866291 +If no nukes, North Korea gets genocided. If nukes, both sides get absolutely destroyed. China wins. +--- 57866294 +>>57865860 (OP) +Most South Koreans don’t even want reunification anymore due to the massive burden it would bring them. SK would probably win in a conventional war but I think the losses would be enormous, especially in the capital cities +--- 57866308 +Can SK or the US shoot down NKs nukes? +--- 57866360 +>>57865860 (OP) +the only problem SK will face is getting the border region fucked up and even then a rapid advance will probably make the actual damage far smaller than what can be achieved by norks on paper +--- 57866377 +>>57866308 +I’m pretty sure there’s some sort of top secret contingency plan for it, but it would be really hard to stop a nuke going from NK to SK due to the short distance +--- 57866379 +>>57866197 +The biggest difference in capabilities between the two sides is the ability to carry out precision strikes. SK can, NK can't. The longer hostilities are drawn out, the more critical losses NK would take to its leadership and already pitiful infrastructure. There's also the matter of how long each side can sustain a war. NK constantly teeters on the edge of famine and industrial collapse, while even if SK suffered a devastating blow to its industry and agriculture it could still be easily propped up by its allies. +The one thing NK has going for it is just how extensive its underground fortifications are. You can't bomb them out and marching soldiers into their territory would be a nightmare, but at a certain point it just wouldn't be necessary. It's not the 1960's any more. They're going to lose control of the air and sea instantly and NK is a small peninsular nation. If all they can do is hide underground, they're not waging a war, just slowly starving to death. +--- 57866385 +>>57866377 +What if NK had a large amount of nukes fired from guns? Like arty shells? +--- 57866435 +>>57866294 +doesnt south korea have bunkers and shit though? +--- 57866461 +>>57866435 +Not really, they are mostly just relics now, Seoul has way too many fucking people to have efficient bunkers for civilians but I would assume most people would hide in the subways in the event of a war. +https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-shelters/south-korea-bomb-shelters-forgotten-with-no-food-water-as-north-korea-threat-grows-idUSKBN19S13Z +--- 57866593 +>>57865860 (OP) +You ever play Starcraft? Something like this. Masses of low tech units Zerg rushing a heavily gunned opponent. + +(I know that's not how Starcraft players actually use this term) + +https://youtu.be/MVbeoSPqRs4 [Embed] +--- 57866774 +>>57865860 (OP) +South Korea would have to quickly wipe out every north of the demilitarization zone for hundreds of miles to minimize artillery and rocket attacks on Seoul. +In an open war without nukes or chemical weapons, South Korea would win. +Part of me wishes the entire Korean peninsula had been turned into a third position National Syndicalist Ruist (better than for Confuciusism) neutral state and it gets renamed Joseon. It would have prevented the rise of kpop and circumcisions in the south. +--- 57866781 +>>57866774 +Park Chung-hee was the best leader South Korea ever had +--- 57869024 +Without outside help, South Korea's capital, which is right near the DPRK border, gets flattened by rockets and shells. +South Korea's economy would be devastated and their strategic leverage in the global economy disappears. The DPRK's capital is near the border with China. +--- 57869046 +>>57865860 (OP) +>Assuming there would be no help from the US + +Retarded take anon, and a pointless thought experiment +--- 57869047 +>>57866461 +The horrifying thing to think about is that North Korea has infiltrated the South and likely has a few tunnels that will never be discovered. I've read predictions of North Korean agents using chemical weapons in the subways and bomb shelters. + +Imagine it, trapped in a grossly overcrowded room and then everyone starts coughing. +--- 57869059 +>>57865977 +>NK's delivery systems are too shit to not be intercepted beyond a few km past the borders. +Do you have any idea how close Seoul is to the border/dmz? +--- 57869081 +>>57866781 +Not a high bar. +--- 57869087 +>>57869024 +>The DPRK's capital is near the border with China. +No it isn’t look at a map, it’s just off center of the country. +--- 57869131 +>>57869024 +>all of the nork artillery just magically teleports to the exact edge of the DMZ bordering South Korea, and somehow manages to obliterate a gigantic fucking city with no retaliation from the sorks +Are we now at the point where we have to imagine North Korea is some hypermilitary super empire to replace Russia, complete with infinite super missiles and super artillery and super soldiers? +--- 57869171 +>>57865977 +>>57869024 +Most of the artillery of the KPA doesn't have the range to hit Seoul proper; the threat is long range rocket artillery, but I'm unsure they'd waste that against a purely civilian target. They'd fire off some terror barrages to be sure, but well short of actually flattening the city. + +>>57869131 +this +--- 57869204 +Look how close South Korea's capital is to the North Korean border. North Korean can easily send thousands of rounds of artillery and missiles across the border killing tens of thousands of people. Neither side wants war. +--- 57869245 +Do North Korean nukes actually explode? Like have they ever tested more than the delivery system? +--- 57869251 +>>57866308 +If by shoot down you mean track the ground launchers with satellites and launch a pre-emptive strike when you see a whole bunch getting ready at once then yes, that would be feasible. +--- 57869270 +>>57865860 (OP) +>Day 183 of "special military operation of north korea" +>310th air assault on Kim il sung airport +>300,000 gook mobik deaths so far +>Nork air defences still intact after 50th missile chimp out F-16s and AH-64Es get BTFOd by Buk and S300 +>Mfw kaesong hasnt been taken +>Losing so many K1s we are resorting to use M48 pattons in reserves +>Gook mobiks are now armed with M1 garands and M2 carbines with ww2 gear +>Two more weeks to pyongyang +--- 57869328 +>>57869270 +i find it hard to believe the north koreans would do anything other than surrender to the first south korean to offer them a happy meal +--- 57869561 +Anyone that talks about Seoul being flattened by artilery is vastly underestimating the immense counter-artillery effort that has been made to counter, well, artillery. +--- 57870071 +>>57869561 +NK attacked SK with artillery a few years ago and it didn't get intercepted. +--- 57870250 +>>57870071 +Counter artillery doesn't mean that the shells get intercepted, it means they get off 1-2 salvos before south Korean artillery counter battery their fixed guns. +--- 57870375 +>>57869059 +How does nuking Seoul win the war? Unless the Norks have literally hundreds of devices they won't really do shit against the ROK armed forces, which is all that really matters in a hot war scenario. +--- 57870583 +>>57869131 +>Are we now at the point where we have to imagine North Korea is some hypermilitary super empire to replace Russia, complete with infinite super missiles and super artillery and super soldiers? +This has nothing to do with Russia. The DPRK can flip the ROK's fortunes upside down in a conflict overnight. +The DPRK has far less to lose, with its economy already the most sanctioned in the world. +--- 57870652 +>>57870583 +>The DPRK can flip the ROK's fortunes upside down in a conflict overnight. +because throwing obsolete tanks and malnourished troops with an airfoce that isnt qualified to fly airliners can win the day through grit and bravery alone? +--- 57870688 +>>57870652 +>because throwing obsolete tanks and malnourished troops with an airfoce that isnt qualified to fly airliners can win the day through grit and bravery alone? +The DPRK doesn't even need to win. All of South Korea's economy and infrastructure vulnerable if war breaks out. +The ROK doesn't have natural resources or agriculture beyond what they use for themselves. Their exports are electronics, I.P. and services, and a war with the DPRK would be very disruptive. Once the war is over it could take decades to recover. +--- 57870723 +>>57870688 +>The DPRK doesn't even need to win. +this is somehow a strategic victory for NK? + +> All of South Korea's economy and infrastructure vulnerable if war breaks out. +first, they will need to overcome the SK army in combat +with T-62s + +>heir exports are electronics, I.P. and services, and a war with the DPRK would be very disruptive. Once the war is over it could take decades to recover. +this assumes that NK is even capable of causing any real damage to SK, as their only strategic asset is their ability to fire shells into seoul +an act whose damage is severely overestimated as it would take several weeks using their decades old artillery to actually carry out and would swiftly be hit by counter-battery fire and degrade it with every revealed position + +and then of course they will somehow need to defeat the SK army +--- 57870730 +Based retards not understanding the artillery situation in Korea and how it is a nothing burger. +--- 57870735 +>>57869131 +We did that years ago when media started using North Korea as a stand in for China for all of those movies/games where somehow America gets to be the underdog +--- 57870787 +>>57869328 +Hard to say. The fact that the ROK army would take prisoners nowadays is different from the Korean War so that changes the surrender calculus compared to the 1950s. Back in the Korean War, the ROK would just shoot them. + +Repression / isolation alone doesn't explain the longevity of the regime though. I think they'd have serious problems against the ROK army and would lose without help from China, but if you see the woman on the right in this pic >>57866197 and she's crying, outsiders often think "oh she's oppressed / scared" as opposed to "she's feeling pride" or a sense of honor. Kim Il Sung was a hard-boiled guerrilla leader (they embellished the details but he really was one of those guys) with a mass base of support among the peasantry and he purged his rivals with the WPK after de-Stalinization in the USSR and to achieve an independent position vis-a-vis the USSR (and China), and didn't have much opposition because the privileged class that had existed were all Japanese who had been gone by that point. They had no pre-existing democratic tradition as you or I would understand it. + +They don't live in the same world as you or I do, and there's a fundamentally different ordering of society and its values there. Some things are universal but some things which we consider important and vice-versa are different. They also believe in mass mobilization of the population in a military-like fashion: + +https://youtu.be/RrxBrUcpbyI?t=2962 [Embed] +--- 57870867 +>>57870787 +>starving and malnourished +>told to fight a modern army with an AK +>spent whole childhood watching bootleg DVDs from china showing the wonders and excess of the western world +>told to attack in glorious human wave +The biggest threat from North Koreans would be finding enough prison camps from all the deserters + +NK citizens havent been fooled by "greatest country the south starves" propaganda since the 90s famine and would desert en masse gulf war style if actual war broke out +--- 57870944 +>>57870867 +I don't think that's so true anymore and I think some of the popular image of North Korea in the West is still based on the 90s (and 2000s) when it was extremely grim and they were starving. There was a period up until the 70s (late 70s?) that North Korea was outperforming South Korea, then South Korea overcame it, then the USSR collapsed and North Korea basically collapsed except for the regime itself. + +But it has been coming out of that, so you look at these videos, and the people look healthier, they're dressed better. There are cars on the roads. It's just not the same situation as it was even 10 years ago let alone 20 years ago. But it still looks pretty rough and poor and the priorities seem, uh, misplaced in some important dimensions. They have their propaganda about the south (and us) but we have our propaganda about them, and for propaganda to be effective it has to have some bearing on reality, but it's not the same thing as the reality, like if they showed images of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans and people still believe the U.S. is like that, that is kinda like our perception of North Korea. +--- 57870979 +>>57865860 (OP) +I dont know but i hope sk subhumans would get buttraped +--- 57872585 +>>57869047 +>>57869046 +>>57869131 +>>57869270 +>>57869328 +>>57870583 +>>57870730 +>>57870867 +>>57870944 +There's zero will for a renewed conflict in the Northern leadership. It's never going to happen, and honestly they spend more time fretting about China launching a "Peacekeeping operation" on them for some cockamamie cock and ball justification than they do worrying about the south. +It's all smoke and mirrors now, keeping up appearances, "beat your chest and shoot a missile into the water every couple years so everyone keeps playing along". + +Remember, China tried to have Kim Un *killed*. diff --git a/k/57865882.txt b/k/57865882.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..292934926985f3a68f7373b556b28b52323f6a8f --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57865882.txt @@ -0,0 +1,217 @@ +----- +--- 57865882 +are shotguns for home defense a meme? I feel like a shorty ar just looks too "scary" and a pistol is underpowered +--- 57865999 +>>57865882 (OP) +Put some wood on the AR and a smaller mag, will look a lot less scary +--- 57866009 +>>57865882 (OP) +Why is an AR looking scary a bad thing? +--- 57866073 +>>57865882 (OP) +people arent willing to put in the time to get proficient with a shotgun and ars are more forgiving to fuckups. +--- 57866174 +Why not both? But, my reasoning for grabbing AR first is my shot won't have much time to open down my hallway, I'd rather have 30 individually aimed rounds instead of 8 groups of 9. +--- 57866326 +>>57865882 (OP) +If you were robbing someone's home, which weapon would you rather be shot with? For me, it's a pistol. A shotty would be my 2nd preference. An AR would be least desirable because 5.56 can leave really nasty exit wounds. +--- 57866344 +>>57866073 +It's the other way around. A shotgun is more forgiving of poor aim and more likely to fuck up someone wearing concealed armor plates. +--- 57866349 +>>57866174 +>Why not both? +--- 57866353 +>>57866326 +At close range, 5.56mm is nothing compared to 00 buckshot. +--- 57866387 +>>57866344 +>more forgiving of poor aim and more likely to fuck up someone wearing concealed armor plates +I think it's past your bedtime. Go put on your jammies, get comfy in bed, and get a good night's sleep. Nothing about this topic concerns you. +--- 57866418 +>>57865882 (OP) +I never heard of a criminal running away when they hear someone rack the slide on one of those mattel rifles +--- 57866471 +>>57866344 +>A shotgun is more forgiving of poor aim +Ask me how I know you've never patterned a shotgun +>more likely to fuck up someone wearing concealed armor plates. +A failure to stop drill takes no more than two seconds to ruin anybody's day. +--- 57866472 +>>57866387 +>B-b-but a shotgun only has a baseball sized spread at room ranges +That's still better than a 5.56mm spread by like 50 times. +--- 57866501 +>>57865882 (OP) +For me the 'HD' shotgun is just a cheap blaster that I don't mind losing. It may not quite be the min-max choice but I certainly haven't felt under-armed with it sitting next to my bed. Plus it's low maintenance so I don't have to worry about remembering to break it down and re-lube it every couple of months. +--- 57866506 +>>57866471 +Semi auto shotguns are the most dangerous thing in CQB. Especially tactical ones like the saiga. +--- 57866519 +>>57865882 (OP) +>I feel like a shorty ar just looks too "scary" and a pistol is underpowered +One, you're a fucking retard +Two, the reason why I am ok with using something like a Maverick 88 is because it is cheap and I would rather lose that to the evidence locker than some of my more expensive or heavily invested guns +--- 57866571 +>>57866519 +That reminds me of Paul Harrell and his reason behind using some trench gun as his HD weapon. + +"I'm just some old guy with his dad's shotgun" + +That may be true, Mr. Harrell, but it doesn't explain why you have 200 videos of yourself shooting guns at grapefruit and pork ribs on youtube. +--- 57866589 +>>57866571 +Anon...you can try to argue this all you want, but Paul Harrell is probably the only man on earth to have as a civilian killed men with both an AR-15 and a shotgun in self defense. No amount of "but well akshually" will change the fact that he has done it, and for you it is entirely theoretical. +--- 57866597 +>>57866589 +God I wish I was a woman so I could bear his children. But no homo +--- 57866624 +>>57866597 +what you mean by that +--- 57866636 +>>57866589 +that he has done it *and has been exonerated* +--- 57866700 +>>57866506 +If you load shotguns like this with dragon's breath rounds, they'll bypass armor and set the target on fire. +--- 57866703 +>>57866571 +I wish I was Paul Harrell, he's got an amazing collection +But seriously I am genuinely afraid of the evidence locker despite living in a castle law state +--- 57866709 +>>57866624 +I'd have sex with Paul Harrelfor the sake of procreation, but I aint gay +--- 57866739 +>>57866703 +Then you do the old switcheroo trick. Nobody runs ballistics on shotguns. They're smoothbores, you see. You can use a gucci shotty for HD, then bring out your mossburg/remington beater shotgun when the cops come to collect. Makes you look better in court, too. +--- 57866763 +>>57866739 +Nobody does it on rifles used in HD either. In fact that entire field has largely been discredited as pseudoscience bullshit. +--- 57866876 +>>57866519 +A) Lose a $200 gun if you survive a 10% chance of dying. +B) Lose a $2000 gun if you survive a 9% chance of dying. +I'd pick B. +--- 57866910 +>>57866703 +Then you're mentally defective. Guns are just money. You save your life, you replace the money as that or a different gun. + +All physical possessions are expendable or you're a slave to them and that's laughable. +--- 57866911 +>>57865882 (OP) +A very high quality and reliable semi-auto shotgun is very viable for home defense. Even a double-barrel shotgun is viable. Pump actions are shit, however. Short shucking under extreme stress is a real thing. And if you feel a pistol is underpowered, get a more powerful caliber. If it's a house gun, and you are not restricted by size and weight like you would be with a carry gun, then just get something crazy like 6" .357 magnum or something in .460 Rowland, etc... +--- 57866914 +>>57866326 +Anon, if you're shot once with a shotgun loaded with slugs or 00 buck, you have around a 90% chance of dying. If you're shot eight times with that, they'll be using a snow shovel to fill a trash bag with your remains. +--- 57866947 +>>57866911 +Do you even train, breh? What's your BMI? +--- 57866951 +>>57866914 +The other anon didn't specify what ammo in the shotgun. +--- 57866963 +>>57866947 +Most pump action shotguns are cheap pieces of shit, bro. And some ammo is not optimized for a tube-fed pump, causing more problems. Pump actions are a shit choice, meant for poorfags and dumbfucks who've watched to many movies or played too much vidya. Deal with it, faggot. +--- 57866974 +>>57866739 +Just keep a spent shell from the stand in shotgun. Call it fudlore, but allegedly that is the most traceable bit of evidence. +--- 57867012 +>>57866506 +>optic on backwards +--- 57867170 +>>57865882 (OP) +A good old 12ga is literally “I cast Niggus Deletus”: the gun. I don’t care how much crack and fentanyl Jamarcus is on, at home defence distances, a single 00 Buck or #4 or #1 is going to shit his entire chest cavity all over your wall. + +An AR? Perfectly fine choice, lots of rounds on tap, controllable, and even 55gr FMJ is devastating at close range with minimal overpenetration. A pistol (or even better, a PCC)? Acceptable too, if you’re very recoil/noise adverse. But nothing, NOTHING will rock a nigger’s tits into absolute dust like a 12ga. And his shithead friends won’t be sticking around when they see that. +--- 57867178 +>>57867012 +>being noguns but still posting +--- 57867207 +>>57866951 +First shell is birdshot. It warns off the intruder without doing lethal damage. In case they're on drugs or something, your remaining shells will be buckshot. +--- 57867254 +>>57867207 +>Fire warning shot +>Get smoked +--- 57867277 +>>57865882 (OP) +Nothing is a meme for home defence. What IS a meme is buying a gun you don't know how to use and have zero training with and just sitting on it. +--- 57867342 +Does anyone have carvings on their shotgun? +I played too much RDR2 recently and made me want a carved wooden stock on a Mossberg. +--- 57867349 +>>57866344 +>more likely to fuck up someone wearing plates +sure is noguns in here + +>>57867207 +why don't you just load 00 from the start and just kill the guy. +--- 57868176 +>>57865882 (OP) + +Can we just take a step back and try to think about the damage to your ears when firing just one shot out of each of these in a home defense situation? + +How fuck is your hearing when shooting a pistol, a shotgun and an AR burst inside your room? +--- 57868484 +>>57868176 +>How fuck is your hearing when shooting a pistol, a shotgun and an AR burst inside your room? +Pick your favorite form of white noise beforehand, because that EEEEEE is not going away. +--- 57868621 +>>57868484 +Would a PCC help at all or is it all roughly the same regardless? +--- 57868645 +>>57865882 (OP) +What's the point of an LPVO on an SBR? +--- 57868656 +>>57868621 +It's not all roughly the same (short AR>short shotgun>long shotgun>carbine/rifle length AR>pistol>pcc, IIRC) but they're all high enough to cause permanent damage. Hang some over the ear earpro off your HD tool of choice and/or buy a suppressor if you're worried about it. +--- 57868676 +>>57868176 +Takes literally one second to get earpro on, unless they somehow enter my bedroom in one second I will get earpro on in an home invasion scenario. +--- 57868776 +>>57868176 +Keep earpro next to your HD gun, takes a second to put on and go. If you don't have time to do that then hearing damage is the least of your worries. +--- 57870895 +why do people buy pump shotguns that aren't the mossberg 88 +--- 57871199 +>>57870895 +Not everyone is poor. +--- 57871234 +>>57868656 +You will not suffer PEDs over one self-defense situation. The eardrum will slowly heal that out over the next months. The PED is mostly due to shooters going to the range and not using protection, then claiming it was the one and only home defense case that deafened them. + +That or retards shooting pistols close to their ears Bruce Willis-style. +--- 57871864 +>>57865882 (OP) +The real meme is your choice of gun for defensive use actually mattering beyond it being something that you practice with and that you can keep within reach for any time you might need it. So long as it isn't a derringer or something single shot then you're good, but even then those would still work for the vast majority of cases if those are what you have, considering less than 5% of defensive gun use cases involve actually firing a shot. +--- 57871882 +>>57866763 +>In fact that entire field has largely been discredited as pseudoscience bullshit. + +Source? +--- 57872184 +>>57871882 +"PCAST finds that firearms analysis currently falls short of the criteria for foundational validity," + +The entire field is BS and shooting a gun a handful of times will change the results enough to no longer match. It's ok that you fell for it because it was on TV, people still think chiropractors are real doctors and not also scam artists too. +--- 57872186 +Three round burst from a full auto shot gun produces instantly lethality 99% of the time at HD distances. Only way to go aside from a flame thrower, since you can bank the latter around corners and down stairs it is unparalleled. + +Better intimidation factor too. No one has ever had someone send a burst of flame down their stairs at them and then continued to attack. +--- 57872196 +>>57872184 +forgot source +https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/PCAST/pcast_forensic_science_report_final.pdf +--- 57872570 +>>57872184 +Gonna brew me a hot cuppa and read your report. Thanks for sharing. + +>shooting a gun a handful of times will change the results enough to no longer match. + +I'd say most "hot guns" that are recovered by police haven't been fired since they were used to commit the crime they're associated with. + +>It's ok that you fell for it +I've always thought it was BS, and that at most they could determine the twist rate or kind and/or rifling profile a bullet was fired from. MAYBE you could use fancy-ass spectrometry to link a bullet with a manufacturer or batch, but even that is circumstantial as all fuck. + +Also my dad is a forensic pathologist and his books are really vague when it comes to ballistic analysis. +Unrelated but early DNA profiling was extremely operator-dependant and kinda bullshit. diff --git a/k/57865990.txt b/k/57865990.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b5d9343f336294e9195e88f0c89be807d10e553d --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57865990.txt @@ -0,0 +1,172 @@ +----- +--- 57865990 +Its a first AR for me. Is this a good choice or are there better values elsewhere +https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-20-classic-a2-rifle.html +--- 57866178 +>>57865990 (OP) +i think it looks kino +--- 57866183 +>>57865990 (OP) +>https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-20-classic-a2-rifle.html +I prefer free floated barrel and all kinds of tactical FDE shit all over it myself but learning on irons to start is cool and it has a bolt on carry handle. So you can pop it off and mount an optic later if you choose to. Personally, if I were going to go with that kind of gun I'd try to find an integrated charging handle like in your OP image for maximum retro. You can add it later. + +Is the palmetto state armory AR any good? I have no idea and it depends by what standard to you mean. /ARG/ will tell you that you need a cold hammer forged chrome lined barrel for maximum durability under full auto. I prefer a button rifled stainless steel barrel. There are things you want though like a mil-spec bolt and properly staked gas key. There stuff is probably fine. The front post might be canted a little. They are sometimes. You adjust the rear sight to match but it will throw off your bullseyes at distances drastically further than y our sight in. +--- 57866200 +>>57866183 +>I'd try to find an integrated charging handle +carry handle* Anyway, it doesn't really matter. +--- 57866223 +>>57865990 (OP) +Thats honeslty pretty shit and you could make a better 1 with psa components +This isnt in stock right now but was 550- 600. + a reciver. +https://palmettostatearmory.com/20-chf-a2-premium-rifle-kit.html +It would come out cheaper with a significantly better barrel in it. +Psa nitride is the lowest thing they sell. +Its not even a good price on it. Other brands will sell better quality options. +--- 57866615 +>>57866223 +sweet info thanks bro +>I was looking at PSA last night and caught a boner looking at that AR. But hell, any 20' would be cool and I didnt know about the parts kit set ups. I kind of like the old retro look but I really want to put optics on a rifle and play with that. I have an SKS and don't want to bubba the bitch so Im getting an AR sometime soon. +--- 57866659 +>>57865990 (OP) +Wait for sales if you can, if you hit sales right you can build an AR for under $300. +It's not great but it's at the PSA standard +--- 57866682 +>>57865990 (OP) +That is not clone correct. +--- 57867911 +>>57865990 (OP) +I've been asking myself where do you even find wood furniture for ARs... got any links? +--- 57868227 +>>57866682 +Alright dude you find a sidecharging A1 AR upper, we’ll sit and wait. +--- 57868264 +>>57867911 +google it there a few companys cost in the $300 range +--- 57868282 +>>57866682 +you can buy the triangle fore grip for $40 at brownells +--- 57868317 +>>57866183 +>/ARG/ will tell you that you need a cold hammer forged chrome lined barrel for maximum durability under full auto. +There more to this you don't see, the CHF barrels come from FN-A on a line which processes/inspections that are audited by the government since they are under contract to produce M4s/M16s for the military. FN also makes barrels for a bunch of other high end brands like BCM, someone here or on other forums I'm sure has a list of companies using FN CHF Chrome lined barrels. Lastly Cold Hammer Forged and chrome lining AISI 4150 (chrome-molybdenum alloy steel) makes for extremely durable material, you will probably never be able shoot out that barrel unless you blast a thousand of rounds of ammo a month. There is some debate about a slight loss of accuracy in chrome lined barrels but I don't lend much credibility to that as the data is inconclusive, look into that yourself if a half moa bothers you and you want to verify (it almost certainly doesn't given that you seem to imply you're interested in minimizing costs). Anyhow if you want to maximize accuracy (at cost to barrel life and extra $$$) you will be happier with a good quality stainless steel barrel. + +IMO the PSA premium is one of the best values on the market for AR-15s. This all said you don't need it, arguably you don't need an AR-15, if you must have a budget option you can make do with an M&P 15 for a bit less but the extra lifespan, quality, and reliability is worth the 150-200 bucks. +--- 57868335 +>>57868317 +>https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-20-classic-a2-rifle.html +Can this be ordered with chrome lined barrel? +JBr549Apr 29, 2018 +BEST ANSWER: +The Barrel Steel is: 4150V Chrome Moly Vanadium which means the chrome is part of the steel as well as vanadium which is even harder. It doesn't need to be "chrome lines" because the chrome is already there. it would be like adding ice to a frozen drink. + +john d.Mar 25, 2019Re +--- 57868388 +You really should've made your purchase during the Easter sale, but these are 2 of the best deals on their website at the moment if you're looking to good a good deal on a budget rifle. Either would do you well for "baby's first AR." I'd recommend the black one as it comes with a rear sight included. You can (and should) always paint it later. +https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-midlength-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-moe-ept-rifle-kit-rear-mbus-516444983.html +https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-midlength-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-moe-odg-rifle-kit-516444601.html +--- 57868399 +>>57868388 +"...to get* a good deal..." +--- 57868448 +>>57868388 +Im digging the long boy 20 inch models for scope action to maximize the cartridge dynamics. If I go 16' or under its going to be a Blackhawk Down AR-15 +--- 57868503 +>>57868227 +several companies do indeed make a side charging uppers and bcgs https://www.deltateamtactical.com/recoil-technologies-ar-15-side-charging-556223300-blackout350-legend-bcg-side-charging-handles-x2.html +--- 57868560 +>>57868448 +Gotcha. The m16 style just scratches a certain kind of itch. +--- 57868609 +>>57868560 +it does and the more I want one and look at them I get a chubby +>Which means the compass is pointing north +--- 57868664 +>>57868317 +>Anyhow if you want to maximize accuracy (at cost to barrel life and extra $$$) you will be happier with a good quality stainless steel barrel. + +I've owned about a dozen different AR's over the last 20 years. Without magnification and seated, I shoot about the same 2 moa with any of them. With a powerful scope and ammo, the differences in accuracy become apparent but you can't ignore other factors like ammo, wind and chassis. That said, even if you shoot a semi-auto AR-15 thrice as much as the average person, a chrome lined 4150 barrel is going to have no tangible benefit over a nitrided 4140 barrel. If you're shooting at a your average public range, they aren't going to let you shoot fast enough to get the barrel hot anyway. You're average person will never wear out a barrel and if they did, barrels are cheap enough. +If I were going to be a barrel snob, I still maintain that a button rifled stainless barrel is GOAT because you don't have to worry about corrosion and properly done button rifling is the most consistent/accurate while still providing work hardening to the interior of the barrel. + +So, I don't necessarily think we disagree on the facts, just the relative value of the different aspects. +--- 57868677 +>>57868335 + ...and that there's a load of horseshit. +--- 57869767 +>>57865990 (OP) +830$????? +dude i bought my first AR, a colt ar15a4 for 1000 +for 170 more dollars you can have a fullsize colt ar that will last you 10 lifetimes and you'll never have to upgrade beyond a quad rail if you really wanted one +--- 57869879 +>>57868503 +now find what he actually asked about, a side charging upper with a fixed carry handle +--- 57870411 +>>57869767 +>buying colt +Ok boomer +--- 57871042 +>>57868335 +>Can this be ordered with chrome lined barrel? +>JBr549Apr 29, 2018 +>BEST ANSWER: +>The Barrel Steel is: 4150V Chrome Moly Vanadium which means the chrome is part of the steel as well as vanadium which is even harder. It doesn't need to be "chrome lines" because the chrome is already there. it would be like adding ice to a frozen drink. +> +No and that guy is retarded, the chrome lining is a pure lining of chromium that is generally more than a few microns thick for an engineered coating, you're trusting a gun manufacturer to make the chrome lining thick enough to act as an engineered coating so I only trust FN since the government breathes down their neck when it comes to manufacturing as they have contracts. + +The .8-1.2 percent chromium in the barrel steel makes it more hardenable (heat treatable to a microstructure called martensite) and is a carbide former (abrasion resistance), the .2-.3% Mo helps quite a bit with toughness. Also if you're interested in a non-chrome lined barrels AISI 4150V is a better material as the .15-.2% V is very hard carbide former and a very strong grain refiner, IMO unnecessary in a properly chrome lined barrel. Coatings are absolutely growing breaking in most engineering fields these days especially in corrosion, wear applications and shock applications, chrome lining has an interesting property where it cracks and fractures while maintaining integrity which allows for it to have a better lubricity than a regular alloy steel barrel. +--- 57871048 +>>57870411 +Old Colt >>> Poor State Armory +--- 57871058 +>>57869767 +>https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-20-classic-a2-rifle.html +>Colt +>same parts worse receiver +--- 57871070 +>>57871048 +lol no +--- 57871077 +>>57871070 +lol yes? What the fuck are you babbling about? The link posted above you isn't even a chrome lined barrel. +--- 57871094 +>>57865990 (OP) +Don't think about it too much. Its your first rifle. +--- 57871395 +>>57868664 +>I've owned about a dozen different AR's over the last 20 years. Without magnification and seated, I shoot about the same 2 moa with any of them. +That's pretty good with mil surp stuff like 193s and 855s (which suck ass btw the military replaced them for a reason with 855A1, it's always funny seeing people eat up LGS armor piercing talking points). + +>With a powerful scope and ammo, the differences in accuracy become apparent but you can't ignore other factors like ammo, wind and chassis. +Yup ammo is number one if you want accuracy and as many have seen on YouTube, some match grade will give tighter groups than others in your specific AR, that can only be determined by testing it with different brands. Good quality glass is vital if you're trying to get under a couple moa. + +>That said, even if you shoot a semi-auto AR-15 thrice as much as the average person, a chrome lined 4150 barrel is going to have no tangible benefit over a nitrided 4140 barrel. +Technically by that standard, given that most people may be take their AR-15 out once or twice a year for a few hundred rounds of ammunition, the nitride lining is completely unnecessary as they will never shoot out their barrels in their lifetime, why buy anything better than a S&W MP 15 in terms of quality? I'm arguing what is best from a service perspective, for longevity of the gun and in terms of maintaining the accuracy and reliable function, chrome lining is simply better than nitride and can be had for barely more the price of a new M&P 15 (which uses neither nitride nor chrome), I am amazed actually at how expensive that firearm is now. I'm not just arguing for just for Chrome here though, there's more to the processing of a barrel than that. I have trust in FN as i have seen their processing and I know how much more scrutiny it has compared to much of the private gun industry (which has virtually none besides their internal checks they enforce on themselves and public outcry if there are big problems) +--- 57871424 +>>57868503 +Hey I’m still waiting, you going to post a side-charging A1 upper or not? +--- 57871479 +>>57868335 +Is this the infamous gun used for suicide? +--- 57871549 +>>57871395 +Yeah, that's fair on all points and I get you on the FN thing. Honestly, my biggest issue with chrome lining is that I don't trust it to be done well. I had a turkshit shotgun with a chrome lined barrel and the chrome literally flaked out of it near the muzzle. Like, wtf? A poorly done lining is worse than no lining. FN, undoubtedly does it right. I wouldn't want some mid-tier chrome lining though particularly since I put more maybe 1,000 rounds a year through an AR; more of a pistol guy. +--- 57871584 +>>57871549 +>turkshit shotgun + +You get what you buy, buy shit, get shit. +--- 57871590 +>>57865990 (OP) +>>57866615 +regardless of everything else, 20" is the objectively correct 5.56 barrel length +--- 57871821 +>>57871584 +It was a gift. I've had a Winchester 94, 97, model 12 and 1300. When the SXP came out, someone got me one as a gift. +--- 57871832 +>>57865990 (OP) +the H&R one is going to be more accurate +https://palmettostatearmory.com/harrington-richardson-blem-retro-m16a1-style-20-5-56-rifle-black.html +the A2 sight is different, although he's not making C7 uppers yet (it won't have the brass deflector) +--- 57872171 +>>57871832 +note: clone accurate, not shooting accurate diff --git a/k/57866006.txt b/k/57866006.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1539da712c2e2680aa02d5a95753cc529cf28c1e --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57866006.txt @@ -0,0 +1,746 @@ +----- +--- 57866006 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJStKBe_Bho [Embed] +zbros are we going to re-enact the fulda gap in ukraine with leopard 1s and t-62s?????????????????? +--- 57867038 +>Not even a bit of interest +--- 57867050 +>>57867038 +What do you want me to say? "Wow, it's an unmaintained piece of shit!"? I've known that since they first got reactivated. "Holy crap, they're still using the 62M's original night vision and daytime sights! What happened to the IR sights they said they were fitting to them!"? Also known that since they first reactivated. Or maybe "Holy fuck! It's missing its laser rangefinder! They stole it!"? I'll admit that one was a bit unexpected, but then again +>Russia +--- 57867062 +>>57867038 +>>57867050 +You also posted it when both euros and burgers are still sleeping +--- 57867085 +>>57866006 (OP) +is this a captured one or just some husk in a depot? +--- 57867096 +>>57866006 (OP) +What's the status of this tank? Is it captured? Clearly been stripped, it has no engine or tracks. +--- 57867101 +>>57867050 +He mentions that the thermal equipped ones reportedly delete the external LRF but autotranslation makes it unclear if the thermals themselves have the LRF built into the unit or if the gunner actually has to fuck around and try to manually range. + +>>57867062 +>Weekend +>Staying up late as a burger +Not even the shitty thirdie shills give a shit about this huh? +--- 57867107 +>>57867096 +From the iffy quality of autotranslation it looks like it was a burned out one so possibly KO, stripped and then captured? +--- 57867123 +Ah seems like I missed what he said when I first watched it, he says the KTD-2 was there, it just wasn't kept on the wreck. +>>57867101 +>He mentions that the thermal equipped ones reportedly delete the external LRF +Yes, they would given the sights have an integrated one IIRC. +--- 57867126 +Warhammer 40k vibes. +--- 57867129 +>>57867050 +>Russia +If I time traveled to the start of 2022 and told myself that there would be an actual unironic T-62 Obr2023 deployed in numbers in Ukraine because Russia is having combat ready MBT availability problems then past me would start to ask what kind of horrific brain damage induced by something worse than the boogeyman of COVID happened in the future from whatever else leaked out of a Chinese lab followed by trying to go for the knife on the table to stab the blatant clone assassin that is posing as a time traveler okay? +--- 57867142 +>>57867129 +Well yes, I would as well, but that Russian deep storage conditions were absolute shit and stuff gets pilfered all the time would not be a surprise, nor unknown. Also, slow down there pal, that ain't not Obr 2023, that's an Obr 1983. +--- 57867161 +>>57867050 +Not to mention the missing tracks. This MBT isn't driving anywhere. Lol. Amogus even. +--- 57867162 +>>57867142 +>that ain't not Obr 2023 +Okay yes technically I will concede this ignoring that they fucking welded random ass plates over the applique it already received as an old modernization package but simultaneously it hurts my mind that there is an actual T-62MV obr 2023 for the ones with thermals and that Russia unironically is trying to deploy these in numbers shortly after cancelling Armata for all the chest thumping they've been making about it. Same with Kurganets and all the totally not super yacht laundering projects but WOW. + +They have more T-72 hulls than T-62s and also they were supposed to have disposed of all their T-62s. +--- 57867167 +>>57867101 +Disregard the sights. +Did you even notice the tanktracks are missing? +--- 57867177 +>>57867129 +Good thing Future You didn't mention the T-54/T-55 reactivations. +--- 57867188 +>>57867167 +I assume it was a combat loss and it looks clear that it has been stripped down since you can see the shiny shafts for the final drives to mate into the transmission. He mentions that the running gear is related to the T-72 and doing a quick search the track link pattern should be compatible between the T-55 and T-72 as well. + +>>57867177 +please no stop my brain hurts. This is the fucking country that CoD and popular media made out to be the big bad of whatever and I am already dismissing the muh Russian nextgen wonderwaffe game that the defense contractors play so they can FUND IT for their latest projects. +--- 57867209 +>>57867142 +>Russian derp storage +Also I remember around 15 years back seeing the bubble systems and air blower systems for deep storage that were reportedly being deployed by Russia to preserve some of their fleet. What got me at the time was that they were doing that with T-72Bs while they let T-80Us rot next to them and I was wondering what kind of fucking madman shit was going on there that I couldn't understand because obviously the T-80U is objectively a superior tank for fire control/stabilization, base armor package and mobility. Apparently those systems are legit but they fucking pulled out T-62s to push into service into Ukraine while in Covert Cabal's latest satellite imagery purchases the T-80Us are still rotting away stored outside. + +I feel a little bit indirectly violated as an armor enthusiast. +--- 57867221 +>>57867188 +I'm in the same boat with the brain hurting, Anon. Especially over the failure to establish air dominance over a year in, and the loss of their carrier-killer flagship. The absolute state. +--- 57867243 +>>57867085 +>>57867096 +tldr + +Its clearly captured killed tank. +He mentions that half of the shit inside was stripped(probably by ukrainians) +He maintions that russians when upgrading it to verson obr.2023 sometimes put a thermal on a place of the old optics but some versions of thermals dont have rangefinder included in them and so basically they swap the old optics with rangefinder to thermal optics without rangefinder and you cant proprely aim with it. +Also mentions that armor is completely obsolete. +Also mentions some differences between t72 and t62 gearboxes + +t.esl +--- 57867244 +>>57867188 +I think the funniest part to me is they're just straight up steel armor T-55s so they're probably T-55As. Fucking T-55As. In the year of our lord 2023. +>>57867209 +It's fucking mindboggling how utterly retarded they were about their whole +>muh infinite deep storage of armor +--- 57867248 +>>57867243 +Also mentions that stabilisation on the gun is really bad. +--- 57867257 +>>57867209 +That's an interesting point on the T-80s. Do the turbines seize up over time, or is more of a supply chain / spare parts issue? +--- 57867259 +Is the T-62 still a Tank? +Yes. +Is it still capable of shrugging off Javelin missiles and any other made in Mexico NATO garbage? +Yes. +Can it still defeat the M1A2 in most conditions? +Yes. +Is OP a tranny a nazi or NATO shill? +This is all Yes. +--- 57867261 +>>57867221 +What fucks with me more beyond all of that is that somehow through the piddly shit donations that Ukraine has gotten and with what is effectively a predominantly inherited Soviet arsenal they've made the Russians fucking resort to multiple waves of conscription so they can shove mobniks into T-62 obr2023s and oh my god do I want to check if there's a T-55 obr2023 and even worse a T-54 obr2024 in the future that I want to choose to not believe will exist because I have to exist in the same reality as the Russia we are seeing in this war. + +>>57867248 +I caught that but I thought that was kind of the norm since the T-72 family generally has sort of bad stabilization, not through the failure of the actual system but because the motors aren't fast/powerful enough to keep up with motion so you just end up holding down the trigger until the gun fires from being aligned. +--- 57867276 +>>57867257 +AFAIK the biggest issue is that the T-80 is a logistical pig because the specific fuel consumption of the turbine is bad (worse than the Abrams) but the benefit is the turbine is really good for arctic condition starts in contrast to diesels. Also the general cost of production of a T-80U is fairly high in contrast to the T-72B back during the Soviet era but I still cannot comprehend what the fuck went through the minds of the Russians to choose to preserve the T-72Bs instead of the T-80Us. + +>>57867259 +Vatnigger I'm at the point where I am having difficulties comprehending how Russia got to this point when they simultaneously were able to at least make what are effectively low rate production tech demonstrators like the Armata, Kurganets and all their supposed nextgen shit. +--- 57867309 +>>57867243 +>but some versions of thermals dont have rangefinder included in them and so basically they swap the old optics with rangefinder to thermal optics without rangefinder and you cant proprely aim with it. +The autotranslate didn't hold up too well there and that was what I thought he said but I thought the thermals itself was supposed to have a LRF built into it? +--- 57867333 +>>57867209 +>I feel a little bit indirectly violated as an armor enthusiast. +THEY USE TANKS AS A FUCKING ARTILLERY + +Granted, tanks and crews are trained to do indirect fire in case of emergency, but THEY DO INDIRECT FIRE WITH TANKS ALL THE TIME!!! +--- 57867334 +>>57867309 +He said that sometimes they instal older versions of thermals wich dont have range finder included so they basicaly sawping a rangefinder for thermals. +--- 57867335 +>>57867309 +The Obr 2023s *should* be equipped with the 1PN96MT-02 sight which has an integrated laser rangefinder, making the KTD-2s unnecessary. +--- 57867364 +>>57867333 +>THEY DO INDIRECT FIRE WITH TANKS ALL THE TIME!!! +Russian tanks were designed for this, as retarded as it is. Kinda makes sense considering their tactics were and still are all about artillery saturation +--- 57867365 +>>57867333 +To be fair the Ukrainians do that too since this conflict is has become a horrible shitfllinging conflict where it turns into WW1 style trench warfare when there's no battlefield momentum like in the counter offensives or the Kiev konvoy rush B blyatfest.. Supposedly one of the longest range tank on tank kills came from a drone corrected HE-Frag round whacking another tank from that process. + +>>57867334 +... +okay +yeah +... +that +was what I read in autotranslate and I didn't want to believe that was the case because >>57867335 """""""""""""""""should""""""""""""""""" have a LRF +--- 57867389 +>>57867259 +Let's recap. +> Kiev in three days! NATO will be shaking in their boots at the sight of a REAL army taking over another country. +> Just two more weeks and Odessa will fall. Surrendering now is their best option. +> All those pics and videos of flaming wreckage were AFU, ackshually +> That's the genius of it: use up a bunch of old surplus T-72s in thevinitial assault, then mop up with the top-of-the line units. T-90M and Armatas coming in the thousands this Fall. +> Meh, a tank is a tank. The T-62 is just as effective at destroying Leopards and shrugging off Jav hits as any more "modern" tank. That's why the USSR pumped so much money into thousands of T-80s. + +I think we're about here. + +> The disappearance of Russian tanks from the battlefield makes perfect sense: tanks are obsolete in an age of drone warfare. Artillery and infantry are all the combined arms needed. Bakhmut will fall in just 2 more weeks. +> That wasn't a "retreat", they withdrew to the 1991 borders as a gesture of goodwill. +> I don't know any Russians who took part in some "SMO". Do you? Never happened. Just another fiction from the Lamestream Media. +--- 57867407 +>>57867162 +I just wanted to see an Armata in actual combat footage T_T +Even if that footage is heavily dressed up jump cut propaganda at least it would have been an actual Armata outside of their yearly parade +--- 57867442 +>>57867244 +> muh infinite deep storage of armor +I think you may have stumbled upon a perfect summary of this whole debacle: Russia began with the unlimited tank supply of the Soviet Union, and then managed to discover a limit. +--- 57867456 +>>57867244 +D-do you think they'll put Kontakt-5 containers on them or will we see naked T-55A obr 2023s in the future? +--- 57867458 +>>57867243 +>>57867248 +thanks +--- 57867473 +>>57867456 +Anon, have you not seen the image of the completely bare T-55A near the frontlines? +--- 57867480 +>>57867473 +stop my mind can't handle that image that can't be real +--- 57867510 +>>57867389 +> All those pics and videos of flaming wreckage were AFU, ackshually +> That's the genius of it: use up a bunch of old surplus T-72s in thevinitial assault +these two have been my favorite copes so far +>we are simply killing off unwanted parts of our country and getting rid of useless tanks AND wasting expensive HATO ammunition at the same time! this is true 5D chess that west cannot understand! +--- 57869142 +>>57867473 +show pic +--- 57869168 +>>57867473 +>Anon, have you not seen the image of the completely bare T-55A near the frontlines? +No, pleae post. +--- 57869217 +>>57867259 + Nigga, we could field Desert Storm era M60s, and with decently trained crew, turn any poor Vatniggaz rolling around in this thing into hot Spam in a can. + + Word to yo’ Kommissar, bitch! +--- 57869382 +>>57867480 +Mind-break is my fetish, anon. +--- 57869445 +>>57867480 +--- 57869463 +>>57867259 +>Can it still defeat the M1A2 in most conditions? +>Yes. +It struggled to defeat Centurions and Pattons in most conditions. +--- 57869526 +>>57867129 +>Meet future you +>You're still young enough to be sexy +>Don't give each other blowjobs +Like it's not gay, it's masturbation. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity. +--- 57869639 +Russia bringing T-62s out of storage is in fact a really good sign for Russia, as much as NAFO trannies try to argue against it. + +And you know what? I don't blame you them that much. See, the West and especially America has had their whole perception of war shaped by the last hundred years of foreign interventionist that they've lost sight of any other way of doing things. In WW2 the US had to ship everything across the world, and they shipped Shermans, from the North Africa campaign to Berlin. And they had to, since upgrading would cripple their supply chain. Its why you saw Shermans being field modified to be anything more than rolling coffins. And that mindset of "you fight war with what you sent" persists today, which is why the US fights insurgents armed with rusty AKs with Abrams. + +But they fail to realize that Russia has no global logistic hurdle. A few hour train ride is it. And Russia uses a form of dynamic equipment doctrine to adapt to best fighting their enemy. In the opening days they used the good stuff to permit rapid gains, set the stage. A few months later they swap that out with less modern but still highly effective armor to support the grinding offensive. After all, why put the most modern tanks on the battlefield if arty is doing most of the work? And now, with the Ukrainian military on the verge of collapse, those tanks are being swapped out for T-55/T-62s, because what's about to commence is nothing more that a mopping up operation. And throughout it all, the best tanks is Russia won't be taking any losses at all. And that terrifies NATO. + +is what I would say, if I was a vatnik shill +--- 57869646 +>>57866006 (OP) +This was quite useful, i have been looking for a good shot of the ammo storage next to the driver. + +If you replace the wiring with a decent harness, replace the clunky 50's indicators and switches and add a ammo bustle to it the tank actually has alot of space. You could even fit two more guys in there if you wanted to although why would be the question. Gives us a decent idea of how the inside of DPRK turrets work. +--- 57869705 +>>57869382 +>>57869445 +stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop +I refuse to believe this reality this war has ONLY been going on for a year and it isn't a nuclear one. ONLY ONE YEAR. +--- 57869708 +>>57866006 (OP) +I wish this guy would get a translator, Googles auto-translate subtitles are shit +--- 57869712 +>>57867167 +Considering the tracks are missing and there not being any other obvious combat damage, it probably ran into a mine and got captured after the crew abandoned it. +--- 57869723 +>>57869526 +--- 57869734 +>>57867259 +>Is it still capable of shrugging off Javelin missiles and any other made in Mexico NATO garbage? +>Yes. +--- 57869745 +>>57869639 +Kek. almost had me. + +The thought is insane that Russia has to drag old shitter tanks all the way from the Russian Far East to Ukraine, across half the world. + +Can the Russians even airlift their MBT's like the US does? Do they have enough Ilyushins? Do they even fit? +--- 57869761 +>>57869712 +The interior is black with soot. It had an internal fire, but it didn't completely burn down, as the rubber headrest on the gunner's sight didn't even melt. +--- 57869799 +>>57866006 (OP) + +Someone should make a modernization kit for all these old tanks that uses four heavy duty electric drive wheels to replace all the gearboxes, transmission ect as well as removes the V-12 for a big generator. Getting rid of all that plus clutches, pedals ect in exchange for a basic joystick would free up a shitload of space as well as 4-5 tons weight. +--- 57869824 +>>57869761 +To be fair, I just thought that was just normal Russian dirt and grease built up by lack of maintenance or care. Can you blame me? Half the interiors of any Russian mechanism looks like a badly rendered prop from a S.T.A.L.K.E.R game. +--- 57869834 +>>57869646 + Yeah, they work swell…as long as you’re 5’5” or shorter. + + I’ve been inside a T-55 turret. I’m 5’10”. Not tall but not short. + I literally had to nod my head down to close the turret of the gunner’s hatch. + + Russia is gonna have a Hobbit shortage, nigga. +--- 57869865 +>>57869799 + What? Go “Green”? + + Wonderful idea…have them recharged by solar bank battery charger cells! + + Please don’t float this idea to NATO. The fucking US Navy is already babbling about “eco friendly” warships. + Like sinking an enemy ship wouldn’t be an environmental impacting event… + + If I was in charge, there would be a VERY long line of VERY senior people being lined up to be shot at dawn for being traitors or dumbasses or both. +--- 57869881 +>>57869799 +Anon the amount of weight loss you'd get versus the still present inefficiencies of making a modern Ferdinand drivetrain would negate any gains made. You'd actually have reverse speed instead of the dogshit that all Soviet tanks are cursed with along with neutral steer. +--- 57869932 +>>57869834 +The T-62 is known for having an unusually large turret although it is hard to tell from all the clunky junk they put inside them. Look at the drivers button to activate the fire suppression, it is the size of a ammo box. Normal switches and modern displays alone would double the space. + +>>57869865 +Its called a generator anon, look them up +>>57869881 +>Ferdinand drivetrain +This isn't 1942 anon modern electric drives are self contained in the wheels themselves and have better torque/acceleration than ICE. Google 'Tesla' to learn more. +--- 57869949 +>>57869932 +>Self contained in wheels +>Cites Tesla +Anon... Those actually drive through a single speed gearbox with a motor. You still have to deal with electric generation and drive losses which eat up any gains you make. +--- 57869961 +>>57869799 +>Someone should make a modernization kit for all these old tanks that uses four heavy duty electric drive wheels to replace all the gearboxes, transmission ect as well as removes the V-12 for a big generator. Getting rid of all that plus clutches, pedals ect in exchange for a basic joystick would free up a shitload of space as well as 4-5 tons weight. +That someone isn't going to be Russia, even their brand-spanking new supertank, the T-90M, the most advanced tank Russia has fielded to date still has levers and a manual transmission. + +>>57869445 +It's funny how today I saw some completely un-sourced vatnigger articles on how the Leopard 1's the West sent are le bad and they le brake down. I guess they were doing some preemptive posting to save face, out of Saul Alinsky's playbook, knowing this embarrassment is about to gain traction. +--- 57869977 +What I'm talking about. + +Reminder when vatnigger media says Ukrainian gear is junk, Ukrainians did some war-crimes, Ukrainians are about to face a big loss, it means it just happened with Russia, the news just didn't drop yet. +--- 57869980 +>>57869961 +Russians accuse others of what they themselves do without fail a l w a y s. +--- 57869987 +>>57869745 +How the fuck can a tin can fucking not collapse from a 70ton tanks driving on there? +--- 57870024 +>>57869980 +After a century of communism and oligarchism, their whole mindset is "he who can lie the biggest without being called out for it is the strongest". Their whole culture is built on that. + +See Putin, he's the leader, so he can say the most outrageous lies with a bold face, and nobody would dare call him out on it, it's simultaneously a test and demonstration of the power held by the man at the top. The moment a general says to his face, in public, that "I'm sorry sir, but that's bullshit", the whole house of cards crumbles, Putin gets Gaddafi'd in a week, and Russia collapses into a civil war. So everyone just keeps playing along, like they always did since the 1920's. +--- 57870040 +>>57869932 + Yes, anon a diesel genset…I’m quite familiar with them. + Have worked ships that had electric final drives backed by 8 Rolls Royce Bergen turbo diesel gensets running 690VAC…just fire up more and parallel them to the bus if you need more power. + Thanks. + + There’s a wee problem with your new Electro Tank. + Do you know what it is? + + Copper wire. You will need a lot of copper for the genny windings and more copper wire for the drive motors, (not to mention for the drive motor of the hydraulic power pack to traverse and elevate the turret and all the rest of the functions. + + Russia is kind of short on copper mines, and I’m pretty sure they are being sanctioned on that material also. + + Now you COULD get by with less copper by jacking up the voltage on the genny, say to 6.6 kV, but that brings with it a whole lot of other issues that might not be such a good idea inside the rough and tumble environmemt of a tank…like how thick and how tough you need to make the insulation around the tiny wire with the voltage that high. + Also, voltage that high is VERY unforgiving of slipshod maintenance. + You wanna get right with Jesus? +Put your hands into a 6.6kV electrical switchgear panel…your FIRST mistake will be your LAST mistake. + + Yeah…don’t assume you’re the only nigga with a Big Brain around here, Holmes… +--- 57870052 +>>57866006 (OP) +What a piece of shit. +>rangefinder missing +Pic related. +--- 57870063 +>>57869961 +Do please tell me the advantages and disadvantages of tillers vs wheels or handlebars +>inb4 it's hard and unfamiliar +It's literally pull left tiller to make tank go left. +--- 57870064 +>>57870040 +>Wire insulation +The Russian petrochemical industry more than likely sanctioned into oblivion too. +--- 57870100 +>>57870052 +Except it's clearly there? +--- 57870104 +>>57870063 +Jerky, shitty steering is a big part of it. Wheels/handlebars are effectively steering wheel class where you can finely turn a tank. Steering levers in the way that Russia has them setup means you jerk the tank around because they're relying on less hydraulic boost since they're taking advantage of the leverage of the lever. Practically all nations got away from levers as fast as possible, the Soviet Union even tried to do it with how none of the BMPs use levers. +>inb4 it's hard and unfamiliar +Because it is for most people who drive trucks and cars since the proportionality of levers and dual input channels (one hand for one direction). Training existing drivers on a wheel or handlebar configuration is objectively simpler and it takes less time for them to master driving a tank. +--- 57870108 +>>57870064 + LOL! Good catch. + + So there we are at Eco-Friendly Tank Refit Factory, working in QC. + + We push the High-Pot tester on the new T-62 wiring harness and crank it up to 25kV to check it for leaks….flash and POP! + + Back to beginning of the line, boys! Rip all this shit out and start over! + + No Russian offensive THIS year! +--- 57870118 +>>57870100 +it's empty, watch video +--- 57870132 +>>57870063 +Tiger-style double differentials are more efficient in steering than the shitty tiller system used by slavshit. + +It's theorized that even though the T-80 is fast as FUCK, it would have been even faster if it had a more advanced western-style steering system and automatic gearbox. +--- 57870139 +>>57870040 +>>57870064 +Assuming that you want to have anything remotely close to modern driving efficiency like being able to operate the engine in the optimal power band for efficiency to power demand then the electric motors can't be shitty old brushed motors. They'd have to use modern brushless DC with drives or AC motors with VFDs. Both of those require a lot modern controller chips and power electronics that weren't in existence in circa 1985 USSR and only became mass market in the past 30 years for the rest of the world. That's another super sanctioned item. + +So choose one: Modern series electric hybrid drive or Ferdinand. +--- 57870168 +>>57870139 +PS this is why Armata isn't in production. 2014 crushed the dreams of armor enthusiasts in seeing a crewless turret production MBT before 2020. No electronics no Armata, assuming that it wasn't just purely a money laundering project for another super yacht. +--- 57870180 +>>57870168 +Hell, anon, 1991 crushed the dreams of armor enthusiasts in seeing a crewless turret production MBT before 2000. +--- 57870184 +>>57869987 +Western engineers are REALLY good at their jobs +--- 57870185 +>>57869949 +The four wheels from a Cybertruck give it over 200 more horsepower than a T-62, increasing the power to weight ratio by 50+5 is pretty good. + +You would lose a huge amount of weight, basically the entire drivetrain not to mention the weight saved by switch out the antiquated V-12 with a comparable generator. + +>>57869961 +>That someone isn't going to be Russia, + +Obviously not them but a western EV company. + +>>57870040 +Holy shit is /k/ stupid, they are the 7th largest producer on earth. + +>>57870108 +Didn't say Russia, kinda hard to get that across to a teenagers like you. + +>>57870139 +Western EV company kids, not Russia. + +>Let's get Tesla to make it for Ukraine! +>Thread fills with a dozen posts saying it is the best idea ever, all posted by the exact same people who said it would not work two posts ago. +--- 57870225 +>>57870180 +Doesn't count because +>test bed +Armata was Russia's chest thumping and with how much of it was a pride project the chances of it going production were pretty high but thanks Russian incompetence I guess +--- 57870243 +>>57870139 + Oh, let’s also discuss another single point failure in the Eco Friendly ElectroTank…the engine’s governor. + + See, diesel gensets use isochronous governors…which are governors that maintain the driving end RPM no matter what load is placed on the engine. + Frequency of the generator is direct result of how fast the generator is turning. + You don’t want to droop the hertz when you “step on the gas”, or really weird shit happens. + + Governors are rather delicate mechanisms, and again, aren’t optimal for the rough and tumble inside an armored vehicle scooting around some farm field. + + Also, there’s a limit to how much the governor can control the diesel. Operate it outside the parameters, and it just can’t handle it. + + On a power plant or a ship, where the demand isn’t herky-jerky, they’re fine, but with Ivan the Gear Jammer on the wheel, not so good. + + Worked a harbor tug once with no shit Fairbanks Morse opposed piston diesels, (it doesn’t have a cylinder head…compression is achieved by two pistons attached to crankshafts 180’ opposed coming together to squeeze the charge). + They put these things in WW2 American submarines because they saved space. + + It was a HORRIBLE choice for a harbor tug. Ship docking assist requires a LOT of forward “pull HARD” and then reverse “HARD”. + These engines WANTED to be fired up in Frisco or Hawaii and then run hard to the Sea of Japan or the Formosa Strait. +--- 57870244 +>>57870185 +>Holy shit is /k/ stupid +>You have to go back +You're trying to start shit aren't you? Why would a Western company make a series hybrid T-62 when the primary user of the T-62 is Russia and the North Korean derivatives? +--- 57870264 +>>57870244 + He’s a retard sucking on a bong that thought he had a good idea, got schooled on the why and how he’s a retard, and now has his ego bruised because he didn’t know he was a retard. + + Mommy didn’t have him tested…many such cases. +--- 57870279 +>>57869799 +So. Series diesel? There is a reason these are only found on locomotives +--- 57870296 +>>57870243 +>Ship drive systems +Not arguing for the series hybrid T-62 since the idea is incredibly retarded at so many levels but what you're describing to me sounds much closer to old, ancient brushed motor systems closer to the Ferdinand with how electric motor throttle isn't controlled for current ramping by the ECU effectively. + +The diesel engine could be governed by a modern ECU while electric motor demand is effectively constrained by mapping out the output sag and programming in a combination of the mapped limit and a limit curve for max draw for the motor drive/controller. Honestly a feedback loop between the genset side and electric motor might let them get away with reduced development time if they just put in a hard draw limit on top of that too. + +>Opposed cylinder +kek Ukies might unironically have a better chance of pulling off a hybrid drivetrain if they can sort their economy out after the war given how much they love theirs. +--- 57870309 +>>57869639 +--- 57870313 +>>57870104 +>Tiger-style double differentials +That's a transmission not a control method +Panther used a similar method to steer the tank but controlled by tillers and not a steering while like in Tiger and same with all British tanks that even to day with Challenger 2 use tillers whilst having an automatic gearbox with a triple differential for variable radius steering, but is steered using tillers. +>Jerky, shitty steering is a big part of it. +That's to do with the transmission again. Everyone who has driven the T-72 like at the Aus Armor and Artillery museum says it is a good vehicle to drive and not particularly jerky, unlike the T-54/55. After all you can modulate how much you move the tiller, it's not just 0/100%. +The real advantages disadvantages are from who I've talked to are +1. Tillers (all i'm referring to are the ones situated outside the legs, rather then inbetween the legs like Sherman) don't get in the way of entering/exiting the drivers station like a steering wheel/handelbar +2. Tillers give the benefit of not taking up space in front of the driver where his knees would be +Disadvantages are +1) Difficult to brace yourself with the tillers vs a steering wheel +2) Can't change gear/operate right tiller since the right hand uses both controls. +--- 57870316 +>>57869799 +Have you ever heard of Porsche's Tiger prototype? +Or Porsche's artillery tractors? + +They used that system, except they used gasoline engines. +The vehicles were complete garbage, very expensive to produce, and extremely heavy. +--- 57870362 +>>57870279 + Parallel Diesel gensets on locomotives, anon. +For the same reason as on ships. If you need more power, fire another set up and parallel it to the main bus. + + On American locos, generally EMDs, (Electro Motive Diesels). + Good engines, but they’re screamers… + + Same rough performance requirements as on a ship…a lot of power required to get the train moving, but once it’s at speed, you can drop the extra gennies out and shut them down since you’re just keeping momentum going once you hit cruising speed. +--- 57870370 +>>57870244 +They would make it to take away Russia's customer base in every nation on earth who uses T--series tanks. + +>>57870279 +Correct, this is why hybrid gas/electric vehicles don't exist. Golf carts are a internet myth. + +>>57870316 +Anon pic related is what they make in Germany today, technology has advanced a bit in the last 80 years. +--- 57870407 +>>57870370 +>He's back for more punishment +Walk away already. Nobody is going to make a series hybrid T-62 drivetrain since the ultimate end users of that are Russia and North Korea. Furthermore generally speaking modernized T-72s touch more on fire control and protection than anything since the drivetrain is sufficient enough. We would have already seen gearbox upgrades to get neutral steer and better reverse speeds in actual numbers if there was a need to try to cuck Russia in the MBT market. +--- 57870438 +>>57869639 +I have heard this spoken unironically to me from an actual Vatnik. MFW +--- 57870477 +>>57870407 +Africa for T-62s and T-55s, no one would bother for T-72. + +Funny that a generator powered electric drive is exactly the same upgrade going into Abrams X......Quick /k/, go tell General Dynamics how much smarter than them you are! Pitch the Aero Gavin while you are at it.... +--- 57870498 +>>57870362 +>Multiple gensets +Boat and train designs are really synchronous to motor speed aren't they? Modern solutions would rely on a lot of power and control electronics to let them bruteforce by doing conversion to DC and then VFD backfeeding into the electric motor so the genset can be variable speed and respond to demand instead of using multiple gensets to effectively make a stepped power curve but constant SFC. Guess with the power loads they need that trying to get away with that much switching electronics means they'd practically have a miniaturized version of those AC-DC stations used for HVDC lines + +>>57870477 +>Dunning-Kruger +Abrams X is a tech demo piece and you clearly have no idea technical complexity occurs for series drivetrains. +--- 57870518 +>>57870296 + My first experience with electric drive ships was on the CS Long Lines, which was launched in 1962. + Steam turbine 480VAC gennys that rectified to DC for the shafts’ motors. + It was REALLY cool working that ship…like God’s Own Slot Car engine. + Controlled the ship’s speed via the variable resistance of the shunt windings. + Laying undersea cable is VERY OCD on how fast the vessel moves due to how fast the Linear Cabke Engine, (on that ship), could draw cable out of the tanks. Also, you don’t want too much or too little strain on the catenary of the cable training ep whine you in the water onto the bottom…especially in the littoral areas where you’re laying the cabke into a trench to be buried so some fisherman doesn’t snag it with a trawl. + + The most modern electric drive I worked was on an Ulstein X-Bow DP-3 class ship built in Norway in 2015. + The ECU were STILL good old Woodward isochronous governors. It uses mechanical because an engine room is NOT a good environment for a solid state computerized mechanism…I keep telling them that, but do they listen? + + Also, in some applications, digital just can’t keep up with a good old analog system. + + Now you COULD play around with VFDs, (Variable Frequency Drives), on the motors…that X-Bow was lousy with them…for EVERYTHING…pumps, fans…you name it, it had a fucking VFD. + But those have their own set of hurdles, and they’re not much more robust or smaller for the tank environment, +--- 57870604 +>>57870518 +>Undersea cable needing constant tension within a tight tolerance range +I kind of almost expected that but I learned something new. I assume there's a lot more fine control in a system like that since there's only motor inertia they're dealing with and they can just let the steam turbine RPM vary a bit with all the inertia it has when they throttle adjust. + +>Marine environment +In a way I think tanks might have it better off than marine environments because they aren't dealing with moisture/salt and the relative scaling means that the power electronics can effectively be stuffed into a sealed and cooled enclosure. On those X-Bows did they not do enough compartmentalization, vibration isolation and positive pressure the electronics package? I know ships are a pain in the ass when it comes to trying to package things because they only have so much displacement they can work with while having endurance requirements that eat into volume for both the crew and the ship itself. + +>VFDs +Right now the hybrid and EV market can get away with their primary drive systems and sometimes accessory systems like the AC and coolant pumps but they practically overbuild the electronics and shove them into an enclosure with potting. Still seeing a bunch of failures with things like the headlight LED drivers because they're not as robustly overbuilt as critical systems (coolant pump, primary drive/battery systems). +--- 57870616 +>>57870604 +>X-Bows +Did they not try*, not did they do. Crankshaft speed and fuel cutoff should be sufficient. +--- 57870686 +>>57870498 +> Boat and train designs are really synchronous to motor speed aren't they?< + + Well, yeah in the sense that by far, it’s cheaper to build a brushless AC generator, but that MEANS you’re going to be producing AC power…and that’s groovy, Nikola Tesla was right, except when it comes to motors, you REALLY would prefer DC, since it gives you much better speed control and torque. + + So how it used to be commonly done for anchor and mooring winches and cranes was to have motor-generator sets, where your AC motor would power your DC generator, and you dispensed altogether with the frequency crap. + Your speed was generally accomplished by different sets of big old honkin’ slidecresistors set in banks…right back to Long Lines…more resistance in the shunt circuit means more current flows through the armature means more torque. + + I was held to be a wizard once when I had a bad shunt resistor from its original setting and just tweaked the slide down to the section of the resistor that was still good, (didn’t have a spare slide resistor because the gear I was working with was built in the Eisenhower Administration. + Crane had a second speed just a bit slower than the old speed, but nobody really noticed… + + What you CAN do is have a complete separate installation for your AC dependent stuff, and then a DC dedicated system for your drive…but that would get expensive. +--- 57870727 +>>57869745 +Russian main airlift doesn't have a fucking ramp and their heavy airlift is an Antonov they have a dozen of +--- 57870780 +>>57870686 +>Boat electrical systems +Post 80s land shit looks so easymode by comparison. + +>massive slide resistors +How big were those things anyways? I can only imagine with how much current they're holding back they have to be fuckhuge to non power electronics counterparts in part to also dissipate heat and tolerate if one of them in the bank fails and the load transfers to the others. +--- 57870814 +>>57870498 +>>57870477 +>Abrams X + +What cope is this? As this guy pointed out >>57870040 +>you will need a lot of copper for the genny windings and more copper wire for the drive motors + +The US produces significantly less copper per capita than Russia, you are a moron if you think that the US will waste such a limited resource on tanks even if they had the copper which they don't. + + It is like pretending you have a Dodge K car and thinking your imaginary car is better than your friends because his make believe car is a Lada, the shrimple fact is neither exists, never will and both would be garbage if they did. +--- 57870854 +>>57870604 +> On those X-Bows did they not do enough compartmentalization, vibration isolation and positive pressure the electronics package?< + + They didn’t really NEED to as long as it stayed working in the North Sea. + That’s why their vent fans and pumps all had VFDs…you don’t WANT to blast near Arctic air through the engine room. + + The VFDs, though, for obvious reasons, we’re located as near as possible to drive motors they were V-ing, and again…that was swell in the North Sea, but then we stole the ship from the Norskis and sailed it to Louisiana…not so good there. + After Inleft the company in the Oil Crash of 2016, it worked Northwestern coast of Australia…while different set of challenges. + + Generally speaking, ships and ship designs have a big Achilles Heel stemming from where they were built and who built them. + Again…few realize that ships MOVE to environments that are totally different than the ones the designers live in and plan for. + + I refer you to the Royal Navy’s cooling problems on their new destroyers operating in the Persian Gulf, or the MV Aiviq…a DP-2 icebreaking anchor handler designed and built in Houma Louisiana, (of all places), that was built for working Alaskan waters…it did not end well. + + For years I’ve bitched that ALL electronics should be moved into the air conditioned space of the Engine Control Room, and not go apeshit putting VFDs on everything if they’re not absolutely needed. + You want less air from a vent fan? Use a fucking damper. + You want less flow from a pump? Use a fucking Leslie controller on the recirc line. + + But VFD makers have GOOD salesmen, and the KISS principle is anathema to ship designers. + + Let me tell you about vacuum-flush assisted toilets sometime. + If there’s someone I would like to beat to death with a lead pipe, it’s the motherfucker tha adapted that from aircraft to ships to “save water and tank space”. + Seventeen…(17!)…cheap ass plastic moving parts to make the poo-poo flush away down the tiny little pipe. +--- 57870884 +>>57870854 +>vacuum-flush assisted toilets on ships +For what reason? Jesus that sounds like a goddamn mess to repair and maintain. +--- 57870934 +>>57870854 +>For years I’ve bitched that ALL electronics should be moved into the air conditioned space of the Engine Control Room, and not go apeshit putting VFDs on everything if they’re not absolutely needed. +It sounds like marine needs to take a lesson from automotive where anything that is considered critical drive electronics are enclosed and/or potted and liquid cooled as an alternative to making them live in a nice climate controlled compartment. Hybrid and EV cars hold up for that but anything that isn't part of those overbuilt electronics are the first to go. Then again I can only imagine that the plumbing would be insane to deal with if they had to route the lines all over the ship because someone wanted a VFD'd motors somewhere outside of the engine room. + +>>57870884 +Probably because ships have limited freshwater supply unless they're desalinating for more at sea they wanted to get every gallon possible. Also tank space would imply they can't just discharge at sea so every gallon of water flushed with crap and piss counts. Think about when you take a piss and flush in a normal toilet, that's something like 1.6 to 5 gallons down depending on how old your toilet is and the very latest cutting edge non gravity toilets are below a gallon of water so the amount of waste to water is probably really good in the mind of the designer speccing them out. +--- 57871045 +>>57870780 +> How big were those things anyways?< + + Depends on when it was built and the application. + + For 25 ton capacity vanging Burton rigged cargo crane, (two winches married to one hook), each slide resistor was about a foot long, and about an inch and a half in diameter…this was 1962 build, so design may have been early-mid 1950s. + + I sailed the SS Independence cruise ship around Hawaii back in the 80’s (do NOT recommend!), which was launched in 1952, and her anchor winches had these really far out old “plate” style resistor banks. + When they were yanking and cranking the anchor up out of the mud, you could see them glowing red. + Definitely wanted good vent fans running in that space on those occasions. + +> Post 80s land shit looks so easymode by comparison.< + + What used to be an art is now become a science. +Back in the day, guys used to have to rewind motors and burnish commutators, (that’s another FUN job! Turn the motor on and stick a wooden plank lined with old fire hose into the moving commutator to burnish it…AFTER you’ve had the entire rotor in the lathe and used a jig to undercut the mica between the commutator bars). + After you rewound the armature, you’d dunk it in amazingly toxic insulating compound and then hijack the cook’s oven to bake the fucker. + + I did the re-insulate the windings on an AC compressor motor…about 100hp IIRC, that was meggeringnin the fens of kilOhms range…they thought I was crazy. Great fun with chainfalls and taking over the entire machine shop after spraying it down withElectraSolv and then rigging a heater to dry it out and then spraying the new insulation into it and baking it in. + + Thing ran like a top after I was done and meggered back in the high double digit megOhms again. + + Nowadays, they’d just buy a new motor. +--- 57871092 +>>57870118 +Ukies removed it, according to reviewer. +--- 57871117 +>>57870884 + You have no idea…fall on your knees and thank whatever gif or gods you pray to for that. + + One vacuum leak, and the whole section on that line stops flushing. + Imagine one of these ridiculous cruise ships nowadays with Al, the sexual highjinks and condoms and tampons and God knows what being flushed down the toilets…and then…nothing flushes. +--- 57871161 +>>57871045 +>glowing red hot foot long slide resistors +Holy shit the amount of heat coming off of those. + +>manually rewinding massive motors and scrubbing commutators +I can only imagine the scale of those lathes. Dicking around with drill sized brushed motors for commutators is a pencil eraser job and I don't really see brushed motors past 1-5HP in consumer goods these days but those also have little tiny commutator sections. + +>Nowadays, they’d just buy a new motor. +Yeah in part modern technicians and repairmen are doing screwdriver operations effectively. That and with how right to repair is going things are hard to get down to the component's component level to repair since the processes are often patent and trade law hell so you end up with subpar repairs even if you want to do a good one since you're locked out from the supply chain. The other part is at the relative cost and time of a skilled technician just throwing out the old part and chucking in a new one that's in production probably is considered an acceptable compromise to get things up and working again if it can be delivered in time. Would probably be not the case if we end up with supply chain breakdowns (again) and parts shortages where you're absolutely shit out of luck short of substituting out things with rigged up adapters. + +>>57871117 +>AI toilets +https://scitechdaily.com/ai-powered-smart-toilet-may-soon-analyze-poop-for-health-problems/ +I don't think society's collective rectum is ready for this future. +--- 57871217 +>>57870934 +> Then again I can only imagine that the plumbing would be insane to deal with if they had to route the lines all over the ship because someone wanted a VFD'd motors somewhere outside of the engine room.< + + I’ve worked ships with liquid cooled SCRs…not a fan of having liquid tubing, (literally!), anywhere in the vicinity of 4160VAC switchgear. + + That ship was a TOTAL abortion. MV HOSStrongline if you want to look it up, (her and her sistersship’s …the HOS Centerline..claim to fame was they carried the drilling mud that finally stopped the Macondo Well oil spill after the Deepwaer Horizon boo-boo, + + How bad of an abortion? + They put my server rack in an un airconditioned space…with the back of the rack, (where all the million cables plug into), up against a steel bulkhead. + Then they looked at me like I was an idiot because their shit kept failing. + + Also the Captain would whine and cry if he couldn’t get satellite internet when sailing through GoM weather with thunderheads all around and the stern of the ship, where the VSAT was located shaking its ass like a hooker on payday with the fleet in port. + + Time to steal the lifeboat… +--- 57871300 +>>57870100 +Is it supposed to look like a pond in there? +--- 57871318 +>>57867364 +Sir, with all due respect, a tank barrel has an extremely limited resource compared to designated arty. Even for Russian tanks it is 200-300 rounds, Girkin has been rambling about all LNR/DNR tanks having fucking blunderbuss barrels by 2022 due to this practice. + +They can do indirect fire, they don't have the barrels for it. +--- 57871322 +>>57871300 +Still more water tight than the Moskva +--- 57871352 +>That and with how right to repair is going things are hard to get down to the component's component level to repair since the processes are often patent and trade law hell so you end up with subpar repairs.< + + On that X-bow I had about two dozen Electrolux washers and dryers. Two each each deck port and starboard side for 4 total on each deck, plus a while series’s of commercial sized models think:hotel sized for the Laundry Slaves. + + These Electroluxes use an Ethernet jack and proprietary software, (available online), to run troubleshooting and firmware updates and a bunch of other shit. + Had fun changing the display language to Cyrillic and Arabic to fuck with people. + + So I tell The Man that he has to buy a metric shit ton of very expensive Euro Electrolux brand spare parts that all run on 230VAC…because they bought a Euro built ship. + + He balks..and starts whining Ike a dog shitting a peach pit over the expense and hassle of getting these parts rowed across the Atlantic in a Viking longship and then waiting in Customs to be landed. + + I tried explaining to this schmuck that Commercial Laundry Tech is a Career Field in and of itself, and the way the Euros would operate it was to call the Factory Authorized dude and he’d drive up with the parts in his Scooby Doo van and take a boat ride to do the needful. + + The schmuck told me: + +“Well…that’s not how WE are gonna do it.” + + I won the argument when Ipointed out that the people who would come and look over our ship for a contract would typically arrive aboard in their company helicopter with two flunkies plus the pilot to follow them around, and if they couldn’t wash their dirty fucking underwear because of his idiocy, we’d all be standing on the dock holding our dicks in our hands like a bunch of schmoes. + + I got a stupendous amount of spares behind that, but the schmuck was butthurt for a spell because he got punched down like a retard by Important People that saw things my way. +--- 57871545 +>>57867209 +The T-80Us are probably lostech at this point. Too fuel-hungry and generally finicky for modern Russia to maintain, I was even surprised they bothered to modernize the T-80Bs into T-80BVMs only to then throw away most of them in the great feint of Kiev. +--- 57871604 +>>57871217 +>>57871352 +Thanks for sharing all your stories and experiences. I've learned marine maintenance is a bitch of a field and has more pain with tech than I ever thought it could be. + +>Liquid cooled electronics +Anything over 1,000V should make most people shit their pants whether its maintenance or design. The systems used in EVs and hybrids operate well under 1000V if not under 450V or so and they need to be treated with respect when it comes to ensuring all the connections are rock solid. Did you ever see indirect liquid cooling setups where something that's normally air cooled has some liquid-air heat exchanger block bolted into the same environment to absorb the excess heat while reducing the issue with cooling liquids being so close to those things? That or using nonconductive coolants like fluorine compounds (that become their own FUN thing if an electrical arc or fire occurs) + +>Rackmount servers live in an unconditioned space against a condensation surface +RIP fucking just RIP. Servers are supposed to exist in conditioned spaces and not fucking marine land with salty humid air. Living in a coastal environment I can watch the paint coated heads of nails on houses rust in under a year. Exposed steel on fixtures forms full layers of rust in months from just having the window cracked open. I know rackmount servers are built a little more robustly but unless they had those things conformally coated and silicone grease coated all the connections those things are going to die faster than the Macbooks that Louis Rossmann receives that have soda spills and suspicious stains on their traces. +--- 57871613 +>>57871352 +>Commercial washing machines on ships that use ethernet and need service techs flown out like they're on an oil rig +I think I just fucking lost it. They would have been better off with bolted down Speed Queens with oldschool electromechanical controls in that application wouldn't they? Also what the fuck firmware updating the commercial washers? You'd think they'd ship with stable firmwares since there's only so many cycles you need on a washing machine for most use scenarios. +--- 57871754 +>>57871352 +>That feeling of slow realization I just got from reading this +If those Electroluxes need factory certified and authorized guys flying out operating they must be operating at the same rates as oil and gas guys that get flown out like that. With how much shit seems to be pants on head in the marine world the moment expensive tech gets involved that means every time an oligarch gets his super yacht and something breaks down in it an Armata goes to heaven in the Russian budget and a washing machine gets repaired on the yacht or a toasty VFD is replaced for some important pump. +--- 57871811 +>>57871300 +>integraded emergency water supply + +Superior Russian design wins again! diff --git a/k/57866063.txt b/k/57866063.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..365102b30b11670323eda8209f1d5ae474998482 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57866063.txt @@ -0,0 +1,834 @@ +----- +--- 57866063 +Spring Thaw Edition +Canada General +New here? Want a firearm? +https://pastebin.com/Ndb2jSAu +https://howtogetagun.ca/ + +>Want to hunt? Hunting license info: +https://pastebin.com/nC8RpYb3 + +>Want to buy something? 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I dont see the point going with them. +--- 57866147 +>>57866133 +No, i actually want to know why i should, what are your motives. +It wont be very useful, due to timezone differences, most the easternfags are in bed. +--- 57866156 +>>57866098 +Having this shit be over as early as July seems too good to be true. +I'd get a twitter and r*ddit account to salt mine, but I'd be too busy shooting and enjoying life. Shame these tyrants can't do the same by minding their own fucking business. +--- 57866161 +>>57866144 +whats an "MMB" compared to 4? +First result on search brings up mega mans armor. +--- 57866169 +>>57866161 +Its a company, millburn mountain defence +--- 57866171 +Bought this today off someone. Honestly seems really good quality so far, I was apprehensive with how much people shit on keltec but I feel like 99% of it is people that've never even held something made by them. If it's not pouring rain tomorrow gonna go blasting and will report back with results. Nice to have a manual without French/spelling mistakes. All in all great first impression +--- 57866198 +>>57866147 +Just curious because I want to know the disparity between westerners and easterners +--- 57866206 +>>57866171 +The SU16 is only sought after now because it's a NR semi auto that takes AR mags. It was well known in the Harper golden era that cold weather caused the folding stock to crack. +That folding pistol carbine, forget the name, you can't mount a red dot and still use its folding gimmick. +All that being said, despite the build quality and the fact it's a bunch of plastic held together by phillips screws, they're actually trying new designs. +--- 57866249 +>>57866206 +>they're actually trying new designs. +Is a biggie, i love to see new things, but maybe they take that a little too far sometimes, not enough product testing, refinement, QC, just a buncha weird and creative 1off designs. +The jews arguably do a similar thing, with several rather uniqie gun designs over the years, the difference being that jew guns are almost all good guns, they commit to their wierd shit and make it work right. +--- 57866253 +I just figured out that a VZ 58 stock can be easily made to fit a Valmet M78. +--- 57866272 +Do people find you generally interesting? Anyway, gonna make a group of unvaxxed people, be there or be square +--- 57866283 +>>57866272 +Yes, people find me interesting, even once they discover im an asshole and struggle not to hate me. +--- 57866317 +>>57866253 +Fine, but i want one like this instead. +--- 57866324 +>>57866317 +Nice rifle anon +--- 57866334 +>>57866324 +Not mine unfortunately, pic swiped from gunpost a couple months ago. Was like $6k i think. +--- 57866336 +>>57866317 +I guess I should mention the stamped version can have the VZ 58 stock. +Milled version like the one you posted needs some fancy geometry to make stocks fit it which makes it look pretty jank... +--- 57866355 +>>57866269 +how did they get him to do that +--- 57866356 +>>57866272 +My friends, family and random boomers/regular conservative people find me interesting I guess, the average faggots at my job just hate me though kek +--- 57866365 +>>57866336 +Yeah this whole chunk of the stock i posted looks kinda fucked. +--- 57866380 +>>57866365 +This is the actual legit sniper Valmet called the M83 or something. I think some snuck into Canada as M78 though because I've seen them for sale once in a while. +--- 57866424 +>>57866380 +Yeah shame only a select few variants of the valmet got native status exemption. +Valmet hunter is ugly as shit, and the m78 costs a fortune. +--- 57866434 +>>57866424 +Yeah I'd say only get a Valmet Hunter if you had access to a Galil parts kit or something. +--- 57866769 +In a doomsday scenario ill just buy a massive sound system and be a doomsday DJ +--- 57866822 +>>57866144 +The point of going for them is they're $100 cheaper. There used to be really good deals for them back when they were hyperlights. If you can afford the MMDs get the MMDs, save your back a bit and get the 3+s because lvl 4 threats don't really exist here +--- 57866839 +>>57866769 +Based +--- 57866925 +>>57866063 (OP) +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cReIYke1hd4 [Embed] +Take it from me +Someday, our VZs +Will be free +--- 57866956 +>>57866769 +My plan is to survive on a diet of nothing but bobs and vagene. +--- 57867379 +>>57863584 → +Milburn Mountain Defense plates but only the specific models found on the NIJ CPL +Aratech has uncertified plates, >>57864206 → is referring to when S and J Hardware bought out the company that used to make armor plates known as "Hyperlights", but NIJ certs don't carry over when the manufacturer is taken over by somebody else (I think) +Ask a company called Slate Solutions if they got anything +Or buy plates from Europe, no ITAR bullshit there, but no NIJ either, just Euro armor standards like VPAM +--- 57867388 +>>57866037 → +Check out some Level 3 plates by Adept but I don't know if they're certified or not. Then again theyre European so with a whole new cert system, I think VPAM. The parent company is Diamond Age and I think they've received mil contracts. Good thing is no export bans as far as I believe + +>>57866163 → +Those've been pending for months to years... +--- 57867808 +>>57866063 (OP) +Nightbump, with an I just want one bros, picrel, ugh, i know, im sorry, but i just do, ok, fuck. +>>57866925 +Not only niggernoise, but also otherwise just really unpleasant to listen too, could just be a really low quality audiofile, but damn. +--- 57867817 +>>57867808 +Would like to see with a monolithic upper though, i like the idea of making a gun with as few parts as possible. +--- 57867839 +>>57866769 +Ygmi +--- 57867870 +>>57867808 +You got bullied off /arg/ and now you're posting kekarms for the Canucks? +--- 57867896 +>>57867870 +Nah mate wrong person, just a canuck doing some latenight daydreaming.... +--- 57868211 +>>57866144 +Just get level 3+ the weight difference is crazy. Remember you'll be wearing that much as well as all your mags and shit. Save your knees and back. + +Some anon did a test on a shady brand of level 3 and it did pretty good so I'd say mmd lvl 3 is gtg. (the label will only say lvl 3 because '+' is not a nij classification) + +Thoughts on plates with soft armour underneath? Don't want to get btfo by .22 to the ribcage or something like that +--- 57868212 +>>57868211 +>>57866144 +fuck sakes forgot link bud +https://imgur.com/a/kL5rKGA +--- 57868670 +Morning b'ys +--- 57868820 +>>57866063 (OP) +are the shotguns for sale at "intersurplus" any good, or are they a bad idea. +I'd love an old SXS for 300$ but I don't know if they are lying when they say their guns are in good shape. +Anyone shop with them before? +--- 57868946 +>>57868212 +Nice big juicy cheatring, atleast he shows that the ring is useless... +>>57868670 +Nigger ita 530am and you wake me up to the reminder that i will never own an Fal, why even live bros... +>>57868820 +I want a sxs too, but for some reason cannot convince myself to buy one until im done panick buying semis, which probably means ill never buy one, why even live bros... +--- 57868956 +>>57866150 +>furfag being sickening + +Oh what a fitting report Captcha, DSM-V. +--- 57868991 +>>57868956 +>Announcing a report of 'sage' +Newfags like you can't be bother to learn the site rules anymore, can you? +--- 57869026 +>>57868212 +Am i wrong to say that doesnt look very good? +That each shot seems to clear out an whole sparebedroom worth of space in the plate, with lots of deformation on the back, and within a half dozen shots the entire plate looks like a random chunk of garbage that id find cleaning out an abandoned workshop. +>>57866150 +I like the ears, but that face is genuinely repulsive, unpleasant to look at. +--- 57869048 +>>57869026 +>but that face is genuinely repulsive, unpleasant to look at. +Yeah, it looks too bimboey, not cute. +--- 57869095 +>>57868670 +townies are faggots change my mind +--- 57869124 +>>57868991 +Back to Discord, furfag +--- 57869135 +>>57868946 +i was hoping someone could tell me if these guns are legit, of if for 300-350$ i would windup with a piece of junk. at that price i kinda want one for shits and giggles at the skeet club. +--- 57869157 +>>57869095 +Don't need to tell me twice, i live near a small town (pop <800) But it was once a peaceful boomer retirement community, became infested with junkies, rainbow flags, ukie flags, even trans flags, wtf happened to my town bros... +Thankfully us chads who live outside city limits are but humble farmers. +>>57869135 +I have no idea, im the retard whos considering buying a turkish double, just because i want external hammers and have never liked buying used shit. (people sell shit for a reason, and its usually because they think its shit. i dont trust lending shit to people, why would i trust to buy shit off people) +--- 57869185 +>>57868956 +I remember when people were ashamed to be tattle-tales. +--- 57869196 +>>57866769 +In a doomsday scenario I will take a little time off to finally learn an instrument. +--- 57869214 +>>57866272 +Idk I feel like thats the kind of thing someone can't judge for themselves. Of course I THINK people find me interesting, but who knows. +--- 57869227 +>>57869196 +I recommend against the violin, it will destroy your ego. +--- 57869276 +>>57869095 +lol I lived in England for a few years, townies means something different to me, it brings to mind the phrase "gnahhhh fuck off you daffcun" +--- 57869295 +>>57869185 +>impotent rage + +Seethe furfag. You're a cancer here +--- 57869319 +>>57866150 +Get this shit off Cangen and post guns you cuck faggot. +--- 57869357 +>>57869295 +It’s fanda, not furfag, who posts the attrocious art. Regardless janny took care of it +--- 57869389 +>>57869295 +>assuming I'm a furry +Everyone I don't like is X! +Grow up tattle-tale +--- 57869397 +>>57869227 +Probably the ocarina because I already own one. +--- 57869398 +>>57866110 +None of those places, formerly SK & BC. +--- 57869404 +>>57869357 +But why? It can't draw and it's a retarded homo. +--- 57869415 +>>57869397 +Nigga thats gay, but post picture of it next to gun anyway. +>>57869398 +Yeah, he shouldve made an extra category for "escaped this hellhole but managed to keep my waistline feminine. +--- 57869446 +>>57866063 (OP) +if garand anon is here where did you source all your parts? it seems like a one and done is easier +--- 57869504 +>>57869446 +Not him but I know of these guys https://www.aztecharmory.com/surplus-m1-garand-parts-kit-1-30-06 +--- 57869598 +>>57869446 +What this guy said: >>57869504 +They had a really cheap version of a parts kit for $650 USD. Took months to actually get to my door due to delays but for the price whatever. +This was also before they got v&'d by the feds for selling P80 receivers and parts to some guy selling guns to gangbangers in quebec. +--- 57869637 +>>57869598 +Also, it's worth pointing out the you may have to get another bullet guide as this part is finicky and may not fit your receiver. At least this part is cheap and plentiful in canada. +--- 57869658 +>>57867817 +Look into the Hoffman Tactical Orca. +--- 57869737 +>>57869715 +God given rights are natural rights which includes the right of self defence regardless of what any government says. +--- 57869752 +>>57869715 +Post hands. And no, I'm not joking (you won't). +--- 57869764 +>>57866063 (OP) +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thsyre8Y6qo [Embed] + +sick reloads +--- 57869768 +>>57869756 +That’s bullshit, here is a 1858 Remington dug out of the ground in Alberta +--- 57869773 +Posting in an instrument and funs thread +--- 57869785 +>>57869768 +Yeah it was in the ground. Not a hip holster +--- 57869803 +>>57869756 +Miners in BC defending their claim. + +The claim that men don’t wear pistols in Canada is either I. A lie or II. An acknowledgment that Western Canada is indeed not actually part of Canada and in fact a landmass that has been brutally and repressively occupied by Ottawa for more than a century. + +Men were wearing pistols in the West a lot longer than it was part of Canada. Read some accounts of the Fur trade or accounts of the various gold or silver rushes or narratives of the Whiskey trade along the Montana border if you wish to be enlightened on this matter. +--- 57869814 +>>57869785 +George Carmack, the prospector who first discovered gold in the Klondike, wearing a pistol in a holster on his hip. +--- 57869820 +>>57869157 +I'm also looking at Stoger sxs shotguns too. I just heard so many bad reviews of Turk guns I'm afraid to pick one up. +--- 57869840 +>>57869803 +>>57869785 +>>57869756 + +For instance Alexander Mackenzie wore a brace of pistols along with a sword when he explored the Rockies, David Thompson carried a brace of pistols, a big knife and a Fowler that he kept sling over his shoulder. + +Here is an account of Ned Stout who survived continual attacks from hostile natives in the interior of BC during one of the early gold rushes. Note how it mentions how his party used “horse pistols” in addition to Kentucky rifles and shotguns to defend themselves. + +As someone who has a better understanding of Canadian and in particular frontier history than what the Heritage Minutes portray, I could play this game all day if I wanted to. +--- 57869843 +>>57869820 +I have a Norinco 12" double barrel, it's aight. +--- 57869850 +>>57869840 +leftist faggots just want to memory hole all of canadas history except for residential schools +--- 57869856 +>>57869840 +I don't see pistols in any of those pictures +--- 57869857 +>>57869814 +Damn it didn’t attach +--- 57869861 +>>57869856 +people that dont have RPAL are the worst copers +--- 57869875 +>>57869857 +This boomer should hand in his pistol, have his mustache forcibly shorn and he should bin that pick axe +--- 57869902 +>>57869816 +If they didn’t use guns they would kill each other with machetes or AIDS. + + +“Mr. Toronto man, go away from my door, you got my weed/wheat and canola seed, your asking me for more. Better fly fore I produce my .44” + +Go get an intestinal parasite from some shawarma + +https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VrIUdXrRZuY&pp=ygURc2Fza2F0Y2hld2FuIDE4ODE%3D [Embed] +--- 57869926 +>>57869902 +>Posting an illegally carried pistol in public +This is immoral +--- 57869931 +>>57869850 +Can you read? + +It literally says they used “12 double barreled shotguns, six Kentucky rifles and several large horse pistols” +--- 57869957 +>>57869715 +>dysgenic rambling +--- 57869960 +>>57869850 +I speculate that is because it is not their own history and they resent it or resent the fact that “New Canadians” do not share the same history, so instead of preserving and teaching Canadian history, they seek to eradicate it with the exception whenever it is something that is politically beneficial to their agenda. + + +Oh look, Kwakiutl cannibalism on the West Coast, circa 1900. +--- 57869972 +>>57869931 +Edzakary! Horses can carry them, humans cannot! Learn your history!>>57869931 +--- 57869985 +>>57869756 +>>57869803 +>>57869840 +There was story I read from some settlers near Prince Albert Sask during the 1880’s. The mosquitoes were so bad that the wife of one settler took her husbands revolver and shot her self. + +Guns are apart of Canadian heritage, from the muskets of fur trapper, to the tavors beekeepers use. Firearms are as Canadian as hockey never let ((them)) tell you otherwise. +--- 57869988 +>>57869875 +That boomer got more squaw gash than you could ever dream of. + + +Don’t hate on mustaches or facial hair just because you cannot grow them yourself. +--- 57869996 +>>57869843 +wish they still made them, i would grab a coach gun from them in heartbeat. +--- 57870004 +>>57869988 +>squaw gash +miscegenation. degenerate +--- 57870011 +>>57869926 +I moved to the United States & fired that thing on remote public land where people are allowed to discharge firearms. + +When I lived in Canada I would carry this little thing on crown land sometimes when taking a rifle or shotgun was not as convenient. Made in 1860, therefore not a “firearm” under Canadian law. +--- 57870050 +>replying to obvious bait +--- 57870057 +>>57870025 +No we should given the rising stabbings and collapsing police services. Canadians need to have the right to defend themselves! +--- 57870072 +>>57870025 +>Doesn't mean we should become like Americans and normalize owning or carrying concealed semi automatic handguns while walking down the fucking street. +Your pet niggers and brownoids shoot and stab each other on the streets of Toronto far more than any of us, if you don't want people carrying guns why don't you start with them? +--- 57870073 +They're still going with this shit +--- 57870085 +>>57869985 +There is an old Thunder Creek district historical book that my grandmother and mom both have copies of. Think it’s called “Parkbeg Reflections” + +One of the pictures in it from the 1910’s or 1920’s shows some ranchers horsing around with a revolver and pointing it at each other in a “stick em up, reach for the sky” pose. + +I was reading an inventory of one of my Quebecois ancestors back in the era of New France. He had a few hand tools, some furniture, a trunk filled with some clothing, some cooking utensils for his wife and one “Fusil” which was actually the first item listed in that inventory. + + +Guns have been around longer in Canada than Canada has been a country. + +I believe that account you mentioned because I know how bad the mosquitoes can get in Saskatchewan certain times of year. +--- 57870116 +>>57870072 +Bill C5 grants reduced sentences for certain crimes if the criminal meets certain demographic requirements. + +You know to keep black and brown people from ending up in prison because systemic racism causes them to use a subcompact Glock with an autosear to attack their rival dope slingers in the middle of downtown Toronto. + +Regular Canadians should at least have a parity with the criminals when it comes to matters or personal defense. +--- 57870127 +>>57870085 +Yeah we really to promote firearms use in Canada. I believe this anti gun shit started in the 90s and was a whole “we ban guns because we are not Americans!1” + +We should bring back rifle league and God into schools, have more shooting leagues and more. Something that’s neat here in Saskatchewan is under the Sask firearms act it gave the CFO money to not only get more classes going but also get ads on radio, social media and more to create more gun owners in Saskatchewan. +--- 57870155 +>>57869960 +There's a lot of historical revisionism with tales of this sort of thing (such as the Hamatsa secret society of the Kwakwaka’wakw) having been wypipo racism, propaganda disseminated by rival tribes, etc. But even if some of these rituals had the backdrop of warnings to young people against cannibals (see Wendigo, Baxbaxwalanuksiwe, and more), many NA tribes were indeed cannibals at least some of the time, whether ritual or predatory. + +To keep this /k/ related, all cannibals should be shot. And chinks (but I repeat myself). +--- 57870166 +>>57869931 +Story on picrel? +--- 57870192 +>>57870127 +My old high school in Saskatoon used to have a rifle range in its basement. + +It also had a secret room hidden up on the top level only accessible by a side corridor in the auditorium that my ex girlfriend and I banged in. + +I really am hopeful for Saskatchewan, but Moe needs to do the right thing and kick the Horse Fuckers out and repurpose their depot in Regina to be for a revamped Saskatchewan Provincial Police. Saskatchewan & Alberta both had provincial Police, the APP even fielded captured MP-18 SMG’s and sidecar mounted Lewis Guns. +--- 57870215 +>>57870192 +Soon we have a new police service starting in 2026 to deal with the native problem up north. The highway patrol got new guns and all forces have been merged into one department with rifles like the sig being standard. +--- 57870233 +>>57870166 +Thomas Scott being executed for being a disruptive shit ass(literally) and not knowing when to fuck off with his efforts to annex the Red River area to become part of Canada. The event outraged eastern Canada and caused the government in Ottawa to send the militia into Manitoba which at the time was not part of Canada. + +It reminds me of this kid who I didn’t know but I would always see him at concerts or house parties and he would start fights and then always get his ass kicked. Pretty much every time I saw him that course or events happened. This one time my best friends brother and I were at a party and that dude showed up, so I was like to my friends bro “dude, the entertainment has arrived, wait a little bit and you will witness something hilarious” within about half an hour the dude was fighting people in the driveway of the house and getting the good old ground and pound. Thomas Scott was exactly like that. It might be due to the overall combative nature of Ulster Scots, as Gaelic Genes and alcoholism will make most of them pretty combative. + + +Thomas Scot fucked around and found out. +--- 57870245 +>>57870215 +If I wasn’t married I would want a cutie Saskatchewan conservation officer gf. +--- 57870247 +>>57869803 +>The claim that men don’t wear pistols in Canada is either I. A lie or II. An acknowledgment that Western Canada is indeed not actually part of Canada and in fact a landmass that has been brutally and repressively occupied by Ottawa for more than a century +Gigabased +>>57869840 +>>57869850 +>>57869902 +>>57869931 +>>57869960 +>>57869985 +Also very based and correct +>>57869972 +Kek +>>57870025 +Go away you gay brown homosexual +>>57870192 +Agreed Saskbro. I think the SK Marshals is a good start/pilot project for Moe. +--- 57870266 +>>57869446 +Garand anon here. +Can confirm mostly Aztech Armory. TNA carries Wolff Extra power springs, which I used. I also didn't worry about the adjustable gas plug, and I shoot ammo up to 180grs with no problems at all. The whole "the garand can't shoot anything but 150gr ammo!" is pure fuddlore. Just keep your gun cleaned. These things are built to last. +--- 57870304 +>>57870155 +Yes, and there are indeed many historical accounts of Wendigo psychosis occurring, the most famous being Swift Runner. Narratives from the fur trade make mention of it on several occasions. + +As to the West Coast tribes, yes they were cannibals, maybe not in the capacity where it was for sustenance, but it did happen, just as it happened in the eastern woodlands with my Iroquois ancestors or even in the old world where Anthropophagy wasn’t exactly an uncommon practice historically. + +“King Richard shall warrant, +There is no flesh so nourissant, Unto an English Man; +Partridge, plover, heron, ne swan, Cow, ne ox, sheep, ne swine, +As the (roast) head of a Sarazan.” + +-An old English rhyme +--- 57870317 +Is it worth it to go through the bullshit to be a conservation officer/forest dick? I want to be paid to go innawoods and I don't want to rejoin the CAF. +--- 57870367 +>>57870317 +Yeah +--- 57870382 +>>57870215 +They have plates now? Wtf are they so afraid of? +--- 57870403 +>>57870317 +Go to hell fish cop +--- 57870404 +>>57870215 +Bruh those plates aren’t protecting ANYTHING lmfao +Plates are useless if you don’t know how to wear em +--- 57870408 +>>57870382 +Chinese poachers and drunk red skins +--- 57870420 +>>57870403 +I highly doubt that a fishcop who comes to /k/ wouldn’t be anything but bro tier when it comes to looking the other way when people are plinking unless they are legitimately engaged in poaching. +--- 57870449 +>>57870382 +I wouldn't worry about it. +--- 57870470 +>>57870382 +Hunting season there are lots of stray bullets flying around. + +Also potentially an irate poacher armed with a high powered rifle. + +I would rather see them with plates than horse fuckers. +--- 57870507 +>>57870317 +If you do become one, allow us to shoot trees, that's it. I don't poach or anything else, I'll just shoot down the occasional tree. Deal? +--- 57870579 +>>57870304 +I don't think that rhyme is actually endorsing or speaking to any historical incidents of Crusader cannibalism kek. +The Terror expedition by all accounts was English cannibalism in Canada though +--- 57870865 +>>57867808 +>Not only niggernoise, but also otherwise just really unpleasant to listen too, could just be a really low quality audiofile, but damn. +It's fine if you don't understand the genius of kanye. +--- 57870893 +As long as she is Catholic, it doesn't matter what race she is. +--- 57870950 +>>57870893 +false +--- 57871097 +>>57870893 +I would want her to be at least half white (unless shes a cutie then idc) and also no negro blood, and also unvaxxed. +--- 57871277 +>>57870449 +--- 57871301 +>>57870215 +There's so much stuff that's wrong with this pic +--- 57871338 +why do we hate this guy? +--- 57871341 +>>57871277 +If anything this is proof that north america is the end game content. This is where players with enchanted netherite gear play. +--- 57871399 +these hands - so soft +that gun though... +--- 57871417 +>>57871338 +He never shoots his guns and acts like a massive faggot on Canadian gun forums. +--- 57871470 +>>57871417 +he does have some shooting videos, but not nearly as many as his terrible "asmr" bullshit +>acts like a massive faggot on Canadian gun forums +like bragging and stuff or what +--- 57871779 +>>57871338 +A combination of him having access to an arsenal that practically all of us could only Dream of combined with the fact he doesn’t shoot any of it. + +Also I haven’t heard him rally against any of the faggy laws in this country, so he is no friend to the firearms community in Canada. +--- 57871801 +>>57868212 +Saving this for every time some retard posts about aliexpress/aitactical/chinesium plates thanks +--- 57871818 +>>57871341 +Yes. +--- 57871822 +Thread theme +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdpptSi6UJU [Embed] +--- 57871856 +>>57871822 +I hope Toronto looks like that one day +--- 57871878 +>>57871856 +Don't we all +--- 57871890 +What’s your favourite 5.56 round lads? +--- 57871902 +>>57871890 +There's only one right answer to that question +--- 57871927 +>>57871779 +>Also I haven’t heard him rally against any of the faggy laws in this country + +He doesn't have to. He's got his. +--- 57871944 +>>57871902 +Fuck that PMC gang represent +--- 57871960 +>>57871944 +Pmc bronze is shit anon. Pmc xtac is good. +--- 57871994 +>>57871878 +>>57871856 +>>57871822 +Toronto Delenda Est +--- 57871998 +Cheapest 5.56 I can buy? All out of stock on ammobin +--- 57872012 +>>57871998 +Tendies probably is your best bet unfortunately +--- 57872147 +>>57868211 +>Thoughts on plates with soft armour underneath +Good idea for frag protection but it'll get hot and stuffy. Better in the winter I suppose +--- 57872148 +Bro there is a shortage of 5.56 in canada!!!! +--- 57872193 +>>57872148 +Not it's not. Tanda is even having a sale. +--- 57872213 +>>57868211 +That label and font seems familiar... +https://youtu.be/_AEaWYx8IBE [Embed] +--- 57872221 +>>57872193 +I checked, price aint that good unless i have no eyes +--- 57872233 +Should I buy 500 rounds of 62gr x-tac for $389 PLUS tax +--- 57872246 +>>57872147 +You get used to it after a while. Caf issued carriers have soft armor plus an unnecessary amount of bulk. +--- 57872256 +>>57872233 +Nigga where +--- 57872259 +>>57872233 +Yeah it'll probably never be cheaper ever again. +--- 57872285 +>>57872256 +g4c +--- 57872316 +>>57870127 +>I believe this anti gun shit started in the 90s and was a whole “we ban guns because we are not Americans!1” +Politicians using tragedy to ban firearms goes all the way back to the very first legislation. When you read about it, it is like its die cast. +You're right that there has been a media push for about 20 years and you can easily that by looking at older doc's and news clips that talk to citizens. If you look at the more reliable polling you can see that people's views havent changed much and there is wide support for self-defense and civilian gun ownership. The polls (and interviews) have to be crafted in a way that strips away the propaganda. Basically all polling and media done in the last 20 years is to push and pull public opinion in a certain direction. +https://files.catbox.moe/yv6itd.pdf +--- 57872323 +How do youse transport ammo in your bags? Not counting mags. I've just been using ziplock but there must be a better way +--- 57872364 +>>57872323 +can't use an ammo can? +--- 57872378 +>>57866206 +>forgot the name +Sub 2000 +I have a quick release rail on mine, it mounts on the bottom in seconds when folding. Increases deployment time by a few seconds, but it holds zero. +Takes 33 round Glock mags. +Is reliable. Trigger is squishy, but that's an easy upgrade. Fits in a backpack. +It's a good fun anon. +--- 57872412 +>>57872364 +Under 200 rds. I do have a mini ammo can I use sometimes too, just wanted to see if there are other ways +--- 57872473 +>>57872323 +I have a small plastic toolbox I use sometimes since I can padlock it. +--- 57872721 +>>57872316 +>the Privy Council Office in-house research team has found the Canadian public is not convinced the Trudeau government's plans for handgun control will keep them safe. +>...Blacklock's says this is the finding of Privy Council Office's own in-house research (through an ongoing survey called Continuous Qualitative Data Collection of Canadians' Views). Somehow, Blacklock's has its hands on the survey from October, 2022, which has not yet been published to government websites. Blacklock's says "Focus group respondents questioned the point of the freeze if handguns used in the commission of crimes are smuggled from the United States: 'It was largely felt the majority of handgun related crimes were caused by those who had obtained their firearms illegally.'" + +In other words, despite years of government hype aimed at convincing Canadians their law-abiding neighbours are the problem, the public is starting to realize otherwise, particularly as headline after headline emphasizes the fact that gangsters are sourcing their firearms from cross-border smuggling. +--- 57872751 +Is there really another fucking semi auto ban attempt coming. How is that going to work when the FRT and OIC have been legally dismantled over the course of 3 days?? +--- 57872765 +>>57872721 +Can you imagine being so incompetent that you can't even manage to manipulate the public opinion of some of the dumbest people in the western world ? Very shameful. +--- 57872780 +>>57872316 +In Canada the first gun control initiatives were implemented in 1885, specifically in the North West Territories, or what would become Saskatchewan, Alberta, NWT, Nunavut and parts of Manitoba. + +Never forget that Ottawa has never been a friend to gun owners, anyone who thinks John A MacDonald was gun pilled because a couple quotes ignores the reality of the legislation his government implemented. +--- 57872781 +>>57872751 +Since when does the liberal government care about votes, laws, public opinion, court rulings, common sense, etc ? +--- 57872789 +>>57872415 +yas +--- 57872843 +>>57871822 +Is that like a Russian version of No Cash or Wavves? + +Melodically kind of sounds like Where is my Mind by the Pixies, practically every non metal guitar based band of the last 30 years has ripped off the pixies in one way or another. + +End of /mu/ rant +--- 57872861 +>>57872780 +John A was the first official fednigger, anyone who thinks he was redpilled doesn't know history. Alcoholic retard who just used office to finance his drinking habit. + +>b-b-but le based anti-China man! + +Everyone was racist back then, not a defining feature. + +Also, anyone with an M21 please let me know if the weird blue tint makes the sight harder to use. I like almost everything about it except the fact that it will distort colours. +--- 57872871 +>>57872861 +get an acog if you want to be a solar powered hippy +--- 57872873 +>>57872751 +Probably? + +How will it work? The same way every other bit of tyrannical legislation passed by the liberals has worked. +--- 57872905 +>>57872780 +I agree. No government is a friend to the people. No government is a proponent of personal property or rights. They largely exist to infringe on them. The people who gravitate to these positions are the exact people you need to keep out of them. +That's why the US, with all its obvious faults, is still the beacon of freedom due to its founding documents. +>Refreshingly it was also seized along with a fairly decent amount of ammo as is rarely the case. +--- 57872931 +>>57872905 +>backwards mounted holosight +--- 57872947 +>>57872931 +Lmao, didnt even notice it. I think its one of those $27 ones from amazon +--- 57872963 +>>57866269 +rule 1 nigger +--- 57872970 +>>57871890 +>>57871944 +picrel is what i feed my jews. +Is so shiny, clean and purdy. Consistent annealing, has a nice violet primer sealant too. Is good shit. +--- 57872987 +>>57872316 +>Basically all polling and media done in the last 20 years is to push and pull public opinion in a certain direction. +Manufactured consent? But wouldn't some people be firm in their opinions regardless of what others say? +--- 57872992 +>>57872987 +certain opinions will get your bank account frozen +--- 57872993 +>>57872947 +Damn that gun definitely did some work, I wonder how many bodies it has on it. +--- 57872998 +NEW POLL +https://strawpoll.com/polls/xVg7jwQ6Gnr +--- 57873038 +>>57872998 +im not moving to some shithole lel +--- 57873064 +>>57872998 +>live somewhere gay so that 1 guy can give the government more reasons to be tyrannical +That’s gonna be a nope from me +--- 57873071 +>>57872998 +Oh yeah, because the greens have accomplished soo much with their two seats or whatever. The game is rigged, a seat won't do shit. +--- 57873072 +>>57872998 +This post glows. It doesn't even pretend to hide it. +--- 57873092 +>>57872998 +As admirable as that may be, look at what happened to Dave Ahenakew. + + +https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ahenakew +--- 57873093 +>>57872987 +>Manufactured consent? But wouldn't some people be firm in their opinions regardless of what others say? +It seems to be about 10% on either side of an issue are concrete in their position. I've seen it referred to as the 10-80-10 rule. +--- 57873120 +>>57873093 +Also it seems to be easier to sway people with conversation rather than through just broadcasting a message. +That's why so many politicians use door to door soliciting. +--- 57873148 +>>57872871 +yeah but M21 is $600 vs. like $2k for an ACOG, plus I don't want magnification +--- 57873164 +>>57872780 +Correct although I still invoke the John A quotes at any opportunity to nogunz who say Canada doesn't have a gun tradition +--- 57873167 +>>57873120 +Bots on socials probably have a fair amount of power, Like Turdos twatter feed, or comments on the little mermaid movie, were hilariously overrun with yes bots. +--- 57873208 +>>57873164 +Are those noguns real people or just bots? + +I ask because I have taken a few noguns shooting, sometimes they have such a good time that they end up getting their PAL or RPAL. +--- 57873235 +>>57873071 +>a seat won't do shit. +1 seat will do something with enough nationwide support, but there’s not going to be a lot of that for a Jew hater +--- 57873243 +>>57873120 +Yes, a conversation, especially face to face allows for you to use the mind trick where you convince them it was their opinion and stance to begin with. It might be manipulative but if it’s being done to try to free them from tyranny then it is ethically justifiable. +--- 57873257 +>>57872998 +to clarify, this would consist of arranging a paper phone bill to the random address, so that you can pick it up and bring it to the polling station and vote, this would be a one day affair plus your travel +--- 57873259 +>>57873235 +Depends, if the riding is heavily Islamicized I am pretty sure someone could run on and win with that overt policy stance. +--- 57873269 +>>57873208 +I don't talk to bots unless they're on this thread +It was more when I was in uni though, basically nobody is antigun where I live rn +--- 57873292 +>>57873072 +shut the fuck up faggot +--- 57873325 +>>57873167 +Yeah, certainly. There wouldn't be so much resources spent on it across so many differentscountries and organizations if there weren't tangible results. +You could argue that its a pet project of some bureaucrat or make-work initiative if it were just the Eglin AFB or just the IDF. But literally every military is doing it, along with every multinational and tons of assorted NGO's. +>>57873243 +I think this phenomena is one reason that they care so much about controlling youtube. +I'm not aware of any studies but I would posit that the reason so many politicians present in their YT channels as if they are just having a little chat with you is because their research suggest it is effective. diff --git a/k/57866301.txt b/k/57866301.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d6412cbbe2944f4dd229306ae9e5f7ae5cc1d04b --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57866301.txt @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +----- +--- 57866301 +Can this thing actually kill people? +--- 57866307 +>>57866301 (OP) +looks like a choking hazard to me +--- 57866309 +unironically have a better chance at killing someone with an airsoft gun +--- 57866310 +>>57866301 (OP) +If you stick it up your butt, it could tear your rectum leading to an infection and sepsis. +--- 57866312 +>>57866307 +You just run up on someone and shove it down their throat. Then you run away into the night. +--- 57866333 +>Place gun in slingshot +>Life without possibility of parole +> +>profit? +--- 57866400 +>going to shoop this into a midget's hand for the ebin maymay +>image search for midget +>safe search is off +>lose inspiration to continue with meme +>and life in general +--- 57867208 +>>57866400 +--- 57867240 +>>57866301 (OP) +only if you get a few good gas mask hits in first +--- 57867325 +>>57866301 (OP) +2mm is not reaching it's full potential. There should be wildcatted bottlenecked 2mm rounds that launch the 3 grain projectile at mach 5 +--- 57867500 +>>57867325 +we need this in 2mm. Roachshot? +--- 57867522 +>>57866301 (OP) +Imagine that thing going up someone's urethra haha, just as a prank +--- 57867531 +>>57867522 +Haha yeah like up my urethra haha +That would be the WORST haha +--- 57867722 +i think that just throwing a rock at someone would do more than entire mag of that thing +--- 57867916 +>>57866301 (OP) +If you managed to hit a major artery/vein then maybe. But I'm pretty sure this was designed for women to shoot potential rapists in the dick. +--- 57870077 +>>57867916 +>If you managed to hit a major artery/vein then maybe +This. +>But I'm pretty sure this was designed for women to shoot potential rapists in the dick +It was made by a watchmaker for funnies. +--- 57872185 +>>57867500 +The Shot would be like powdered sugar lol +--- 57872289 +>>57867325 +There are a variety of tiny obscure wildcats, the .10 Eichelberger Dart is pretty close to what you're describing. It's a .25 ACP necked to .103 (so 2.6mm) It does nearly 4000 fps. + +>>57867500 +In 1935 Purdey made a pair of miniature shotguns for King George V. They were fully functional scaled-down versions of the king's hunting guns. Eley-Kynoch made cartridges for them, measuring just under a half-inch long, .18 inches diameter, containing 2.02gr of dust shot and 1.6 grains of powder. +--- 57872311 +If you shoot them in like the balls maybe, otherwise you’re probably better off using a nerf gun diff --git a/k/57866436.txt b/k/57866436.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a2ac20973e862723ac8a9b8abd7e1cfbef0fe542 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57866436.txt @@ -0,0 +1,53 @@ +----- +--- 57866436 +Use the heat generated from firing a gun to power optics and shit. You could even have some special cartridge you "fire" that is silent and heats the weapon up over the course of like a minute or something when you need to recharge quietly. +--- 57866477 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_generator +bada bing, bada boom, get that heater going BOOM BOOM BOOM +--- 57866509 +>>57866436 (OP) +You could even allow for the barrel to act as some kind of wood stove for twigs and shit, maybe to keep a watch going or something +--- 57866750 +I could critique this elegantly and eloquently, but I'll just call you a retarded fag. + +Yeah man, lemme justy blast off like 90 rounds so my optiks are powered. Hold on man just wait so we can have this life or death gun fight. +idiot. +--- 57866787 +>>57866750 +It's for recharging retard, like the little solar panels you see on Holosuns +--- 57866794 +>>57866787 +So then pop a little solar panel on something and fuck off with your thermal-electrical bullshit. +--- 57866806 +>>57866794 +But the heat from a weapon is a very excellent source of energy, exceeding that of solar. You could even use the weapon as a pit for starting fires to boil water with and shit. +A gun is designed to handle high temps, so use that characteristic to its advantage. +What about tunnel ops? Where is your solar now faggot +--- 57866810 +>>57866436 (OP) +>add bullshit and weight +>all so my optic that already lasts a decade constant on can get more power +yeah no thanks bro +--- 57866811 +>>57866806 +you're overcomplicating a solved solution + +batteries work for thousands of hours, tens of thousands even +something with a gay little solar panel also works for thousands of hours +--- 57868217 +>>57866436 (OP) +I don't understand the purpose. Why can't you just change the battery every five years or so? Why would you ever need to recycle that energy? If you truly need it to last longer, couldn't you just put a hand crank on the side and the soldier spends five minutes at night cranking his hog? It's not like optics use a lot of power +--- 57868257 +>>57866750 +Not OP. + +What if the capability is there for redundancy? Like the Holosun solar panels. + +Would barrel heat contribute a nontrivial amount of energy to the optic to keep it running for a significant time? +--- 57869349 +>>57868257 +Here's the thing: LED-based red dots already have battery lives measured in months and years depending on the setting. So redundant bullshit like solar and this thermal generator is really just extra complexity/ weight and bulk +On a LPVO with a true daylight bright reticle, the battery life is only a few hours long so it might make more sense there, IF you can capture and make use of that much energy. +Now holographic sights eat batteries compared to red dots but have a longer life than LPVOs so they might be able to make better use of the tech without needing too much power +--- 57872799 +Ban status check diff --git a/k/57866480.txt b/k/57866480.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..7c1c698cf4fbf0d7d61d54a9eebb3ea85e368fd8 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57866480.txt @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +----- +--- 57866480 +What's the US gonna do with this "NEW" Chinese weapon? + +https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3217198/china-unveils-electromagnetic-gun-riot-control + +It's also feature in CCTV7 military show《军事科技》 +Here's a bit of it + +https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1u24y1j7gt/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click + +[spoiler]Just in case you guys don't know it's sarcasm. Its claimed to be a join development by China North Industries Group Corporation Limited and other technology teams. [/spoiler] + +[spoiler] But you can buy one here. https://coilaccelerator.com/ . [/spoiler] +--- 57866513 +>>57866480 (OP) +>chink propaganda +Meme weapons will stay as meme weapons. At the very least, its a proof of concept. +--- 57866526 +>>57866513 +Is it even that when coil guns and such have been a thing for decades? +--- 57866539 +>>57866526 +No, probably not. +--- 57866545 +>>57866480 (OP) +isnt that a fucking gun thats in a roblox game or some shit? +--- 57866561 +Implessive +--- 57866574 +>>57866480 (OP) +Let me know when china "invents" something that american hobbyists haven't been building for youtube views for years. +--- 57866581 +>>57866574 + +chink shills will be the first to be placed and crushed under the MPF tank. +--- 57866590 +>>57866480 (OP) +>EML "riot gun" + +Woah Xi, calm down, it was just a protest or two! Things will be even worse if you erase 3 cohorts of university students in one go! +--- 57866591 +>>57866480 (OP) +I can't wait for this to fail all testing because of either how shit it is or how expensive it is. It's literally the gyrojet all over again +--- 57866607 +>>57866591 +Anon coil guns are a thing, the major draw back is power, they currently just really hurt to get hit by them, which the Chinese clearly havnt solved, so they’re coping by presenting it as a “riot” gun +--- 57866608 +>>57866480 (OP) +Holy shit that is literally identical to the meme rail/gauss gun that was shooting discs all over guntube last year kek +--- 57866610 +>>57866480 (OP) +I thought everybody have already seem it literally years ago and know that it's nothing new. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izW1X2555Wg [Embed] +--- 57866613 +>>57866513 +Takes me back to 2018 when all the slope fucks on here couldn't shut up about their meme laser rifle that could totally set a man on fire at 800m or more. Or 2018 when they couldn't shut up about their meme railgun on a transport ship. Or 2017 when they couldn't shut up about their meme 20mm airburst grenade launcher/OICW knockoff +--- 57866625 +>>57866480 (OP) +So chang is now ripping off Arcflash Labs' coilguns? +--- 57866647 +>>57866625 +>>57866613 +This happens every time someone makes an actual working weapon system, they make their shitty jank version and spend millions to have news outlets ignore the actual weapons for theirs. + +>US:develops actual fucking rail guns, don’t use them due to impracticality of them at time +>China: W-WE HAVE ONE OF A SHIP ALREADY! +--- 57866658 +>>57866480 (OP) +>impressive... +--- 57866717 +>>57866545 +No.. +Its a state of the art weapons platform developed by the best minds that you capitalist pigs can't match! +--- 57868743 +>>57866613 +Come to think of it, does the OICW corncept as a whole, still works, after whats happening in Ukraine? +--- 57868800 +>>57866591 +It's just a basic bitch coil gun anon, even chinks can build those +It probably works fine +--- 57868810 +>>57866613 +>meme railgun on a transport ship +Still waiting on that video btw +--- 57868860 +>>57868743 +Platoon or even squad level airburst munitions would be pretty nice to have for clearing out trenches I bet. +--- 57872324 +>>57868860 +Would it be possible to develop an airburst 40mm grenade? +--- 57872487 +>>57868860 +>>57872324 +yes, and the US already codeveloped a system for the rapid firing and programming of such grenades, the XM25 CDTE. +It was canned following successful field trials because it ultimately didn't offer much over conventional solutions while being both heavier and more expensive. +Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. +At the same time, due to some corporate fuckery and other issues with the project, the US military owns 100% of the rights to the design, it may resurface after redesign/with the use of new materials to make it lighter. +--- 57872523 +>>57866480 (OP) + + +Implessive. + +With this most lecent achievement, fate has in a single stroke, malked the decrine of the west and sperred a new era of wondlous plospelity and peacefur global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which plomises to filmry stand in shalp contlast to the histolically broody ascent of westeln powels and the cluer subjugation it blought to the humbrel nations of the wolrd. diff --git a/k/57866507.txt b/k/57866507.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..939a02a5eb125475046ec1e2583cfc641d1a2b38 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57866507.txt @@ -0,0 +1,246 @@ +----- +--- 57866507 +How did the Chinese get their hands on 100TB of F35 blueprints? +--- 57866523 +>>57866507 (OP) +Whats with the surge of chinese posts at this hour? +--- 57866535 +>>57866523 +Dog shortage at the dog food factory, makes for a slow work day. +--- 57866536 +>>57866523 +huh, I wonder +--- 57866544 +>>57866536 +They should be at church at that hour +--- 57866548 +>>57866523 +I'm not Chinese I just have trouble sleeping +--- 57866549 +I can’t wait for the guy to start screaming about mutts and grannies to show up +--- 57866612 +>>57866507 (OP) + +You get all the papers and still no chinese F-35? + +LOL :D +--- 57866617 +>>57866548 +Heh +--- 57866623 +>>57866507 (OP) +--- 57866672 +>>57866507 (OP) +Trump +--- 57866674 +>5'3 girl +gross, women should be 5'7 or taller +--- 57866678 +>>57866523 +>>57866536 +>>57866548 +he was on /fit/ +--- 57866687 +>>57866507 (OP) +combine the 2 and you get a 5'5 manlet kid that will either end up as a femboy or in prison for you know what. +--- 57866689 +>>57866507 (OP) +immigrants +--- 57866783 +>>57866687 + +How come this kind of things doesn't happen to children of Asian fathers? + +What makes white fathers and asian mothers such a bad combo? +--- 57866802 +>>57866783 +It does too, but most examples you see in the US is because Asian guys are the bottom of the barrel in sexual desirability so they have to be a chad to land a bleh white girl or other, there's a growing population of ugly af hapas from weeb girls and beta asians that will ruin the stereotype further +--- 57866827 +>>57866507 (OP) +Israel probably gave it to them, as usual. +--- 57866831 +>>57866827 +>Getting handed tech on a platter +>it still ends up as absolute crap +lol +--- 57866844 +>>57866783 +The father was a jew and made the mistake of breeding with a SEAmonkey +--- 57866854 +>>57866544 +no rerigion, you go to carr center for forced work +--- 57866865 +>>57866802 + +You're kind of contradicting yourself there a bit though. + +But If you say so.. however maybe chad fathers are just better fathers in general and Asian lead households in the US tend to be in the 1% bracket of households in America (as far as income) and thus probably more stable and thus probably less shooty McShooty.. +--- 57866869 +>>57866507 (OP) +Might have just bought it. They do that a lot apparently. +But would you really trust flying in a Chinese made jet? +--- 57866872 +>>57866831 +>absolute crap +Based on what? +--- 57866880 +>>57866865 +I'm merely presenting the historical reason for the phenomenon and the coming demographic transition from trad Asian dad to weak chinned beta who attracts sub females by a shared interest in anime. Funnily enough the k pop girls will probably still produce chads since atleast those types favor feminine guys that are still good looking +--- 57866892 +>>57866872 +Based on reality (zero chink jets on their carrier in recent exercise) and how gaijin in their by law stipulations that they need to present chink shit in a positive light finds it impossible to introduce chink vaporware +--- 57866904 +>>57866507 (OP) +they hacked dod back in 2017 and stole various shit not only about the f35 +--- 57866960 +>>57866892 +Sounds like cope. +--- 57867001 +>>57866880 +>the coming demographic transition from trad Asian dad to weak chinned beta who attracts sub females by a shared interest in anime. +Thats going to be all races eventually, the only difference being that at least whites have strong chins +--- 57867076 +>>57866960 +You use that teenage colloquialism but you don't really know what it means. +--- 57867093 +>>57867076 +What could possibly be confusing about it, dumbass? You're taking their exercise where they used a carrier without planes and their shitty policies that police what you can say about their military as proof that they are technologically backwards. + +You're retarded. They spend about a quarter of a billion dollars on their military a year, even if they were the biggest retards on the planet, they'd still produce things that'd be at least average. +--- 57867102 +>>57867093 +I meant to say a quarter of a trillion dollars. +--- 57867138 +Bought from honeywell, look it up +--- 57867966 +>>57866523 +Niggas say this but then don't say shit about the endless ESL spam about the war +--- 57868042 +>>57866548 +Russia should be sporting a turban + durka beard, they're way more muslim infested than Europe already. +>Finland +kek +--- 57868080 +>>57866687 +>>57866783 +Elliot Rogers was a half jew-half chink incel. It's not White guy's fault jews love vampirizing other races. +--- 57868117 +>>57866507 (OP) +>that one middle eastern country infested by Soviets after the Jackson-Vannik Amendment probably +--- 57868831 +>>57866507 (OP) +>How did the Chinese get their hands on 100TB of F35 blueprints? +How? +Hint.. +Clues on a certain laptop. +--- 57868887 +>>57868831 +>HUNTER BIDEN HUNTER BIDEN OMFG HUNTER BIDEN +t. 50yo Fox-watching boomer +kys +--- 57868935 +>>57866507 (OP) +https://securityaffairs.com/32437/intelligence/china-stole-plans-f-35-aircraft.html +>Security experts believe that the hackers compromised the network of Lockheed Martin, in 2007, before orders for the F-35 Lightning II placed by Australia and Japan. In June 2013, the US Defense Department acquisitions chief Frank Kendall reporting to the US Senate confirmed that he was “reasonably confident” classified information related to the F-35 was now well protected, confirming that hackers compromised the US prime contractor in 2007. +Lockheed fucked up. But besides helping chinese efforts to make viable stealth planes, any identifiable weakness in the F-35 has probably been fixed since more than a decade ago. +--- 57868958 +>>57866548 +Wouldn’t it make more sense to draw NATO as an orca pod? +--- 57869003 +>>57866507 (OP) +Lot of chinese immigrant engineers in aerospace industry. Then there’s the question of secure the data is from breaches. +But honestly, outside of gleaning insider info on the F35, replicating and building the tech is a whole ‘nother story. They’d have to target lockheed, P&W and a dozen subcontractors and shit and get their manufacturing processes. +--- 57869054 +Spies, shills and honeypots. +--- 57869771 +>>57866507 (OP) +Probably the same fucking way they got their hands on US missile tech in the '90s, though not specifically Bill Clinton this time. +--- 57869822 +>>57866535 +Odd word choice considering the OP webm in Chinese could be translated as "being fed dog food" , a slang term in Chinese used when couples display affection in public. +--- 57869860 +Every day I understand the Chinese Exclusion Act more and more. +--- 57869883 +>>57868831 +>Hint.. +Why are you so smug about your terminal retardation? +--- 57869891 +>>57868831 +And not one single person in Ireland printed a giant poster of this image of hunter and took it to the airport to greet o'biden, the west has truly fallen +--- 57869905 +>>57866548 +>Russia isn't a little fish +--- 57869915 +>>57869891 +joe biden had a son die in combat and republicans think he cares about people clowning on his other one who does drugs +more detached from reality than ideologues like aoc +--- 57869939 +>>57869915 +He was too busy molesting his daughter to care +--- 57870070 +>>57869915 +T. Irish Mexican +--- 57870320 +>>57866548 +Belorussia beluga needs a luka stache +--- 57870342 +>>57868935 +F35 program got hacked two times, once in 2007 and another in 2012, the latest one was publically revealed by Snowden leaks. + +>2007: Chinese hackers breached the Pentagon’s Joint Strike Fighter project and stole data related to the F-35 fighter jet. + +>February 2012: Chinese hackers stole classified information about the technologies onboard F-35 Joint Strike Fighters. + +https://www.csis.org/programs/strategic-technologies-program/archives/survey-chinese-espionage-united-states-2000 + +Some more noteable ones + +>April 2005: Chinese hackers infiltrated NASA networks managed by Lockheed Martin and Boeing and exfiltrated information about the Space Shuttle Discovery program. + +>2005: Chinese hackers infiltrated U.S. Department of Defense networks in an operation known as “Titan Rain.” They targeted U.S. defense contractors, Army Information Systems Engineering Command; the Defense Information Systems Agency; the Naval Ocean Systems Center; and the U.S. Army Space and Strategic Defense installation. + +Tech gained reveal by Snowden leaks +>The Chinese hackers were also successful in obtaining data on the B-2 stealth bomber, the F-22 jet, space-based lasers, missile navigation and tracking systems, as well as nuclear submarine/anti-air missile designs. https://thediplomat.com/2015/01/new-snowden-documents-reveal-chinese-behind-f-35-hack/ + +>April 2006: Chinese hackers infiltrated NASA networks managed by Lockheed Martin and Boeing and exfiltrated information about the Space Shuttle Discovery program. + +>December 2006: Chinese hackers infiltrated the U.S. Naval War College. + +>June 2007: PLA hackers breached a Pentagon computer network serving the Secretary of Defense, forcing the network to be shut down for more than a week. + +>September 2007: Hackers gained access to the Department of Homeland Security’s networks through a contractor and exfiltrated unclassified information to Chinese servers. +--- 57870387 +I was dating a 4'11" Asian chick a while back and I'm 6' tall. Don't think I'd go for tiny girls again. Something about a taller woman makes me feel like she's closer to my species. +--- 57870433 +>>57870342 +>December 2007: Chinese hackers successfully stole information from Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Los Alamos National Laboratory, and the National Nuclear Security Administration. + +>February 2008: The Department of Justice charged Dongfan Chung, a former Boeing engineer, with economic espionage and serving as a foreign agent for China. Prosecutors determined that he had been acting on Chinese orders since at least 1979. He stole Boeing trade secrets relating to the Space Shuttle, the C-17 military transport aircraft and the Delta IV rocket for China. + +>October 2011: Chinese hackers infiltrated at least 48 chemical and defense companies and stole trade secret information and sensitive military information. + +>November 2011: Chinese hackers interfered with U.S. satellites and stole sensitive data. + +>March 2012: NASA’s Inspector General reported that Chinese hackers conducted 13 attacks against NASA computers in 2011. In one attack, intruders stole 150 user credentials that could be used to gain unauthorized access to NASA systems. Another attack at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory allowed intruders to gain full access to key JPL systems and sensitive user accounts. + +>January 2013: A Defense Science Board report found that Chinese hackers stole U.S. weapons systems designs including for the PAC-3, THAAD, Aegis, F/A-18 fighter jet, V-22 Osprey, Black Hawk, and Littoral Combat Ship. + +>March 2013: Beginning in 2012, Chinese hackers targeted civilian and military maritime operations within the South China Sea, in addition to U.S. companies involved in maritime satellite systems, aerospace companies and defense contractors. + +>June 2013: PLA hackers infiltrated the computer networks of the U.S. Transportation Command and stole sensitive military information. + +Im done, still 10 more years of chinks stealing shit aint gonna paste it all here +--- 57870453 +>>57870387 +>>57870387 +Anything more than a handful is a waste. +--- 57870506 +>>57868831 +How the fuck did this dude get the blueprints from Lockheed then? +--- 57870552 +>>57866507 (OP) +Bitch looks old enough to be his mom +--- 57870775 +>>57869915 +>had a son die in combat +he was a fucking lawyer who who's job in the military was to arrest soldiers for properly killing ragheads, he then died of a brain tumor that was punishment from God diff --git a/k/57866632.txt b/k/57866632.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..74d50fb35fcaaf9ec3e8ea070e26833574244ba5 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57866632.txt @@ -0,0 +1,198 @@ +----- +--- 57866632 +Can Estonia hold their ground? +--- 57866640 +>>57866632 (OP) +Against a girl scout troop? Probably a few hours at least. +--- 57866643 +No but their Holosun's will atleast survive longer than LMT's trash rifles +--- 57866660 +Now that the NATO membership is set, Finland will swoop in and kick russian homo ass, starting with support from 250 modern aircraft from the nordic air forces. +--- 57866677 +no, we dont have armored trains anymore :( +--- 57866765 +Estonia has a force of motivated personnel trained and armed to NATO standards, capable of blunting an assault and harassing invaders. The other Baltic states would jump right in at the first sign of hostilities. That covers the first couple of hours. +After that, the single most interesting question in such a scenario would be "will the Finns or the Poles be first to show up in force?" +--- 57866946 +>>57866765 +Poland easily, they have a larger standing army and as of now you cannot send Finnish reservists into foreign countries without their consent. +t. Finn +--- 57866959 +>>57866946 +>cannot send Finnish reservists into foreign countries +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b76l5VsnGE0 [Embed] +--- 57866997 +>>57866959 +>without their consent +Retard. But the amount of volunteers would be high anyway. Many want to kill Russians and see action +--- 57867048 +>>57866632 (OP) +With Poles and Finns having their back, sure. Although they would suffer pretty badly for the first week or so. I suppose they could go full Taliban with scorched earth and hide out in the woods hitting supply lines, letting the Ivans starve in the cities. Then once the Poles and Finns show up, go on the offensive. Estonia is probably the very limit for what Muscovite logistics can manage nowadays. +--- 57867144 +>>57866643 +i had a vortex +--- 57867949 +We have much less open terrain such as Ukraine. It's difficult to say what the real outcome would be, but the reality is that there are a lot of forests and little rivers, crisscrossed with highways, so I imagine moving heavy machinery is pretty limited to whatever roads or fields you can find. Fish in a barrel. + +The forces have been built up around light jaeger infantry and guerilla tactics for decades with just this scenario in mind. Home turf + sneaky infantry + AT/AA capabilities at the sneaky squad level = ambush wonderland. + +Many people would die, which sucks ballsacks. We'd also have to clean up all the Russians and burned out wrecks, which would also suck. Overall, Russian forces, while not defeated, would probably be quite effectively bogged down to a crawl as their logistics and supplies are very specifically and systematically knocked out, leaving them vulnerable to whoseever boots come stomping on their throats in the counter. + +For me, the fun part is thinking of what comes later? Historically, Russia has always been an agressor in this part of the world. Maybe this time we finally reclaim and purge the parts of our brethern countries that they stole? Estonia gets back lands beyond lake Peipsi, Finland gets back Karjala etc. That would be pretty comfy. +--- 57868004 +>>57866632 (OP) +Our tactic is literally to pray NATO comes in with the assist before vatniks reach Tallinn. +We don't even have any tanks of our own. The tactic is basically to blunt the offensive with mobik flesh until Uncle Sam saves us. +--- 57868013 +>>57868004 +Is there anything in Estonia worth visiting? +--- 57868022 +>>57867949 +Hunt 2016, brother. We're with you. +(In the very narrow capacity we have) + +For real, tho, this time Baltics win or fail together. No 1940 again. +--- 57868055 +>>57868013 +Very many places +T.finn +--- 57868059 +>>57866632 (OP) +Against who? The Russians? Yes. +--- 57868073 +>>57868055 +Anything in particular? Is it possible to shoot machine guns or drive a tank? I'm in Ukraine rn and all those things are closed for some reason, not sure why. +--- 57868115 +>>57868073 +Tallinn is nice +Saaremaa is good +Narva too, good ia rye bread (garlic butter) +But things you mentioned, no +--- 57868162 +>>57867144 +Supposedly this ones better, cant remeber tf it's called +--- 57868177 +>>57866632 (OP) +No. They gave all their equipment away +--- 57868180 +Yeah the orcs will be drunk off bathtub vodka and get lost on the way there +--- 57868188 +>>57868004 +The fuck are you on? We have enough bodies to hold them still, they have 2 locations they can enter with the first (narva) being deleted at the start. We can hold fine, but need nato to push forward +--- 57868190 +>>57868162 +maybe +i still prefer my ak4 +--- 57868209 +>>57866632 (OP) +I heard NATO is going to temorarily suspend the Geneva convention rules so we dont have to follow them if russia invades. +--- 57868229 +>>57867949 +>Lake Pepsi +--- 57868602 +>>57868188 +This, your biggest problem is if they manage to break through us (and that's a good chance, since only now we started thinking about having our own mobiks). +>t. lett +--- 57868668 +>>57866632 (OP) +Wasn't the far north east of Estonia practically a HIV-ridden russian heroin junky colony? +--- 57868696 +>>57868668 +yes +--- 57868812 +>>57868668 +Yep, however the russian population there is far below replacement rate, at this point we just have to wait them out. +>t.Estonian from Narva +--- 57868985 +>>57868668 +on the bright side a war would reduce their number considerably and the survivors would start appreciating estonia +--- 57869031 +>>57868985 +Russia's current operational tactic is bombing Russian speaking towns and cities. I guess shelling Narva would be the way to start the hostilities. +--- 57869091 +>>57866632 (OP) +Not alone. Good thing that isn't going to happen. Their neighbors will absolutely spill blood to defend them. +--- 57869472 +>>57868190 +We had ak4s with rails, was fucking heavy as shit. Got the r20 and it was nice and light until they gave me that fucking ugl... +--- 57869562 +>>57866643 +Tf is wrong with LMT? +--- 57869635 +>>57869562 +its an AR platform, i like my charging handle and mag paddle release +--- 57869697 +>>57868602 +We have over 200k in reserve, yes mobilization happens everywhere, but keep being a retard +--- 57869730 +>>57868209 +NATO has nothing to do with the Geneva Convention. +What would anyone gain from suspending a treaty that primarily serves to prevent inhumane treatment and death of non-combatants, prisoners, civilians and wounded? The western public has turned extremely critical to any conflict, violations of human rights and general mistreatment of people is the fastest way to lose support from the public and start domestic and political unrest. nobody but edgy teens thinks "lol warcrimes are ebic win xDDDD". +--- 57869762 +>>57869730 +thank fuck estonia isnt western +--- 57869871 +Throughout history, it is the Latvians that proved themselves to be the greatest warriors amongst the baltic people +--- 57869941 +>>57866632 (OP) +Estonia can hold their ground +--- 57870238 +>>57866660 +It's kind of funny +that joint Nordic airforce is currently one of the largest in Europe, certainly the largest since Sweden's cold war one and it's got plenty of 4th/5th gen action. It'd be hilarious to see all those Russian railways get blown out by them. +--- 57870293 +>>57866632 (OP) +I believe in you estonia. You can do it +--- 57870351 +>>57868162 +lmao poolik +--- 57870839 +>>57868004 +dont vory, brother +Latvian riflemen and Estonian bois beat russian, communist and german ass 100 years ago. +We do it again. +Call us whenever. Valhalla! +xoxo +--- 57871023 +>>57869562 +In short, LMT as a MFG is too small. They were excellent when they were a parts company, then some of the best when they made their own rifles for the occasional police department/spook request. Now that they're trying to supply whole countries, the cracks are starting to form. +--- 57871049 +>>57870839 +>Battle of Paju +Yeah, we sure beat the communists... together... bro. +--- 57871203 +>>57866632 (OP) +That's sort of a big question. And by that I mean that you need to narrow it down a bit. + +Can Estonia hold on its own against Russia, a nation that is 100x bigger? Well, the answer is no, isn't it. Russia has shown that if nothing else they are able and willing to round up hundreds of thousands of citizens and send them to the front. Against a mass like that Estonia would sooner or later, be it in a week, a month or two, run out of ammunition and supplies. And even at the ludicrous hypothetical 1:10 loss ratio there wouldn't be enough manpower. + +But Estonia isn't quite on it's own. Time would likely actually be working against the Russians who'd probably want to pull off a sort of a fait accompli before anyone in the West managed to organize any support or set the American juggernaut steaming towards St. Petersburg. Sort of what Russia tried to pull with Ukraine at first. This is the scenario against which Estonia has to hold on its own, otherwise Russians could manage to install a puppet (say, a traitorous cabinet minister) and muddy the waters enough that it's not clear whether what's happening is an invasion, a coup, or a Parisian Easter. But getting the drop on Estonia wouldn't be that easy. Any preparations, and there would have to be, would likely be detected and Estonians would have time to partially call up the reserves. If Russians decided to slowly "boil the frog" then I've heard that Estonians would respond by having a sort of "rolling" exercises for their reservists, where a portion of the reserve units were called up every two weeks for two or three weeks, effectively allowing both life to largely continue as normal while significantly bolstering the standing forces. Effectively it would raise the bar for the Russian troops necessitating more preparations and giving more the for the West to get the ball rolling. + +tl;dr Estonia is probably defend itself against a sudden blitz, though any large scale war would naturally be a Western effort. +--- 57871346 +>>57866640 +So that translates to a few weeks vs Russia +--- 57871357 +>>57866632 (OP) +>Can Estonia hold their ground +On their own? No lol. With NATO behind them? Yes. There is a reason thousands of troops are in the Baltic states. +--- 57871377 +>>57869730 +>What would anyone gain from suspending a treaty that primarily serves to prevent inhumane treatment and death of non-combatants, prisoners, civilians and wounded? + +We should ask Russia, they're not currently following any of it. +--- 57871418 +I like Estis. They are good people. Had some Estonian friends on FB back before FB tamped down on meme pages. Pretty girls as well. I would love to see it someday. One of my friends was in their military and hated russians passionately, this was around 2015-ish. I know the National Guard goes there for joint training exercises fairly regularly. I would happily re-enlist to defend Estonia if the vatniks attacked it. +--- 57872072 +>>57866640 +Against the Boy Scouts though, they're fucked. +--- 57872227 +>>57867949 +>there are a lot of forests +lmao, that's the biggest understatement I've heard from an Estonian, gave me a good chuckle, your country is basically one big unending forest from Pärnu to Narva (and it's beautiful as fuck, got friends in Tartu I try to visit every couple years. Damn, I could go for a fat glass of A Le Coq right about now) +--- 57872257 +>>57870351 +Jaja ole vait.. kõige kohutavam on et isegi väljamõeldud moona pole seega lihtsalt mõtetu kilo juures mida tassida +--- 57872393 +>>57872227 +There are actually tree more-or-less continious forest strips crossing the country, all aligned NE-SW, that include all of the major marshes. Tho it's true that Estonian landscape is something like 50% forest, 25% marsh, 10% urban and 5% farmland, give or take, not all off that 50% is classical untouched forest. It includes bush and cut down areas as well and stuff like that as well. diff --git a/k/57866742.txt b/k/57866742.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..23776f88e3913308d2cb0e8aa6c8ae433841b2ad --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57866742.txt @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +----- +--- 57866742 +Unknown aliens genociding earth. + +Best weapons and tactics to stop them. +--- 57866816 +>>57866742 (OP) +my dick +--- 57866855 +>>57866742 (OP) +A baseball bat and about 10 randomly placed glasses of water. +--- 57867005 +>>57866742 (OP) +The truth is nothing beats Kinetic weapons, sci fi likes to larp on about energy weapons and all these other concepts but in real life a slug of metal accelerated to high speeds just works +--- 57867121 +>>57867005 +>warps space time +>bullets all miss +Heh, nothing personnel, 3 dimensional lifeforms. +--- 57867165 +>>57867005 +Unless another leap in power storage is made, this is correct +--- 57868078 +>>57866816 +>his dick. +--- 57868224 +>>57866742 (OP) +High Explosives pack +Heavy Canon +Laser Pistol +Heavy Plasma +Psi Amp. + +Fight me. +--- 57868278 +>>57866742 (OP) +--- 57868443 +>>57866742 (OP) +--- 57868961 +>>57868278 +Just shotgun their planet with Strangelets and watch it convert their world into a giant ball of strange matter. +--- 57869053 +>>57866816 +That's a Altarian anon. +You will be permanently cross-eyed afterwards. +--- 57869073 +>>57866742 (OP) +My dong. +--- 57869082 +>>57866742 (OP) +Just tell the glowies to fuck off. +Nobody is buying into their "Project Blue Beam" psyop. +What's next, another September Suprise? +Who's got the WMDs this time? +>pic somewhat related +--- 57870553 +>>57867005 +Yep +--- 57870852 +>>57866855 +This is the correct answer +--- 57871170 +>>57869053 +>Altarian +Nope. That's just a human with some sort of birth defect. Clearly human. +--- 57871196 +the weapon that won both world wars will win the war of the worlds too +--- 57871241 +>>57868443 +Read the Real Scripture, Con Pinkboi. +--- 57871245 +>>57871196 +Rock solid supply lines and an quantity over quality philosophy? +--- 57871265 +>>57866855 +>>57870852 +That movie SUCKED +--- 57871387 +>>57871245 +Quantity has a quality all it's own. +--- 57871556 +>>57866747 +FPBP diff --git a/k/57867158.txt b/k/57867158.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1b18198f6a5edc795b3113678cef4682a4939d24 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57867158.txt @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +----- +--- 57867158 +How often and what do you use to clean your guns, anons? +--- 57867263 +>>57867158 (OP) +>How often +Every once in a long while, or after the shooting range +>what do you use +Rem Oil, though I might switch to motor oil for reasons unknown. +--- 57867279 +>>57867158 (OP) +> Clean guns + +I just blast my pistols and ARs with CLP every once in a while and they're fine. + +The nice thing about ARs is that if you put too much oil inside them they'll just blow it out the barrel or ejection port the next time you fire them, problem solved +--- 57867370 +>>57867158 (OP) +>he thinks people on /k/ own guns +--- 57867425 +>>57867158 (OP) +I used to reoil my guns probably once every two weeks because I enjoyed it, and reoiled or cleaned my guns before and after every range trip. This has become way harder now that my collection has doubled in size. + +I prefer ballistol because it's moderately less likely to give me cancer, and it works good enough. +--- 57867506 +>>57867158 (OP) +Every time I shoot 100 or more rounds, or if I haven't done it in a while. I don't just reoil my guns randomly unless they are noticeably dry. +--- 57867545 +>>57867158 (OP) +Not enough. I'm so lazy that I often don't clean them even after shooting +--- 57867637 +>>57867158 (OP) +Clean/oil my pistols after every use. +>alcohol +>hoppes 9 +>paper towels +>go juice +Clean/oil my rifle internals after shooting. clean the barrel after two or three range sessions. I use a 22 conversion kit, so every once in a while, ill blast it out with soap and water. Had a dirty rifle seize up bad many years ago de to humidity turning the muck into glue. I keep them clean now. +--- 57867650 +>>57867158 (OP) +Every couple range trips. +>swab everything out with degreaser until it comes back clean +>lube up with coomoil +--- 57867675 +>>57867158 (OP) +Window cleaner hot water and rags after each session with the Vetterli because it runs very dirty. +For my other guns just a boresnake at the end of range day +--- 57868406 +>>57867158 (OP) +After every range trip. +Mostly Hoppes products. +No.9 soaked patch up and down the bore, back and forth a few times. +Bronze brush up and down the bore, twice. +Bore snake pulled through, twice. +CLP damp patch through the bore. + +No.9 damp patches to clean off internal surfaces. Q-tips. Plastic dental picks to get into the nooks and crannies. +Depending on the part and firearm either hoppes gun oil or lucas oil high performance to lube the frame rails/springs/etc that will benefit from lube. + +Have a small ultrasonic sink to do batches of small parts and barrels if I've got that need and don't feel like going over all the little bits and pieces with patches and q-tips, etc. It sees the most use cleaning my AR parts. +--- 57868441 +>>57867158 (OP) + +>Cleaning +Chamber and bore: Hoppes +Other parts exposed to fouling: Eezox + +>protecting function +Interacting metal parts: redline automotive grease +Non-moving metal parts: light coat of left over motul or liquimoly motor oil. +--- 57868717 +>>57868441 +RIP +--- 57868835 +Wait, I'm supposed to clean my gun? +--- 57868843 +>>57867158 (OP) +I never once cleaned my guns and they shot fine. +--- 57868852 +As needed and boretech bore cleaner and corrosionX +--- 57869575 +>cleaning with Ballistol +>lubrication with Coom +>protected by Lube +--- 57869591 +Guns? In just here to shill for the war in Ukraine? What does that have to do with guns? +--- 57869647 +>>57867158 (OP) +Typically after every range trip. I use hoppes, clenzoil, and white lithium grease +--- 57869678 +I wipe out the inside of my guns and relube about every 1000 rounds +--- 57870974 +I never clean my guns +--- 57871813 +>>57867158 (OP) +Whenever I just feel like it and I just use dish soap and water, then I oil it of course +--- 57871835 +>>57870974 +What gun am I looking at? +--- 57871876 +>>57871835 +Pcp +--- 57873310 +>>57867158 (OP) +>how often +When my hands turn black just from picking them up +>doesn't matter. Brake cleaner and a rag work fine but I don't have any wooden stocked rifles or anything nice enough that I'd care about stripping the finish off of. If I happen to have some CLP, I'll use it. But if neither is available, wipe it with a shop rag and reapply lube diff --git a/k/57867296.txt b/k/57867296.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9584f55fd850b8984507b556c745779e1d45e8b6 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57867296.txt @@ -0,0 +1,138 @@ +----- +--- 57867296 +What would be the consequences of Armenia leaving CSTO? I know that some random people protesting are meaningless but hypothetically how would it affect CSTO and Russia's ability to prosecute a future war? +--- 57867330 +>>57867296 (OP) +If Armenia allows itself to be subverted by the CIA Russia will be forced to act...Armenia is smarter than that though...this great friendship between two Great Christian Nations will not end... +--- 57867338 +>>57867296 (OP) +depending on Russia's reaction to them leaving it would inform the remaining members of what to expect if they decide to leave. The CSTO at this point may as well not exist. It it were to collapse many of the members would just be in a tug of war between the west and china's influence. As far as Russia's ability to prosecute a war I'm not sure much changes. It would be far more damaging if Kazakhstan were to leave, depending on which side it ends up aligned with just because if it leaned west now there's a potentially new hostile border to worry about. Armenia leaving just hurts Russia's prestige but I'm not sure it gravely effects it militarily. +--- 57867340 +>>57867296 (OP) +Armenia pushing the CSTO equivalent of article 5 and nothing happening shows it's kind of a worthless organization if you can't hold yourself to literally the biggest goal (that an attack on one is an attack on all) +--- 57867341 +>>57867296 (OP) +It wouldn’t affect their prospects for war. It has always been an anti nato, and about keeping countries in Russia’s sphere. Armenia is going to leave unless they fumble their elections, people are pissed about the last war and rightly so. Armenians are getting warmer on turkey and vice versa and they’re seeing the vast difference between the western response to Ukraine and the Russian response to negro-karbach or whatever, not gonna google the name. +Politically it’s a big blow, Armenia has been Soviet/Russian aligned for a while and was one of the countries who actually had a favourable view of being a soviet republic. It’s just part of Russia losing control, bit by bit, of its souther satellites. +But, again, Russia was never going to help Armenia and Armenia was never going to be able to help Russia. Maybe it’ll affect their tank races kek +--- 57867536 +>>57867296 (OP) +NATO would basically have no reason to exist without America, outside of Canada and Turkey because Europe is loosely united militarily under the EU. NATO is a trade, Europeans get extra security while Americans get influence. The CSTO nominally operates in a similar fashion, Russia gets strategic depth from NATO and the big boy seat diplomatically while the other states get security... however unlike the EU those other states are not united in any meaningful way. +So now that Russia can not currently offer a meaningful defense as shown by the Armenia situation, the smaller members have lost their only incentive to stay, basically CSTO has lost their US equivalent. Russia can sort of regain that status tarnished as it is but it needs pull out of Ukraine while it still has a large conventional army. To put it simply, the more Oryx blog gets updated, the shorter the potential future of the CSTO. +Whether Armenia leaves or not, I expect Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan to be basically done with it in any meaningful way and will probably seek security agreements with China or try to form their own small regional power block, Belarus is probably going to be annexed if there isn't a total overthrow if the government. The CSTO is not completely dead but it is on life support. +--- 57867552 +>>57867296 (OP) +CSTO and BRICS are worth less than the paper they written on +--- 57867557 +>>57867296 (OP) +>consequences of Armenia leaving CSTO +Um, nothing? +Everyone knows CSTO is facade and there is nothing behind it. russia knows it, every CSTO memeber knows it, west knows it. Everyone is just pretending. +Just like everyone pretended that CIS (runigger WTO) is a real structure and not just russian tool to manipulate its """allies""". +--- 57867779 +>>57867330 +Russia is not christian and it is barely a nation +--- 57867787 +Um csto fell apart like a year ago and they are currently having literal wars with one another while the member states do nothing. + +CSTO does not exist. +--- 57867903 +>>57867552 +Does BRICS even exist on any actual paper? I though it was just a meme some brit made up and then russia latched on in hopes of getting influence. +--- 57867925 +>>57867787 +CSTO is a defensive alliance, and it's a "Special Military Operation" not a war according to Russia. It still technically exists. +>>57867903 +Isn't BRICS expanding right now and attempting to form a common currency? +--- 57867941 +>>57867330 +Russia will throw Armenia under the bus if it result in stronger ties with Turkey or Azerbajdzjan. Do not delude yourself that the elites in russia care about religion. +--- 57867983 +>>57867536 +Ironic how that situation was reversed before February of 2022. +All Russia had to do to stay relevant and powerful was to do nothing for the next decade. +--- 57867997 +>>57867925 +BRICS, like CSTO, suffers the same problem of its member states also actively competing against each other on a geopolitical, whereas the G7 are largely united. +--- 57868009 +>>57867997 +Same with EU. Memebr nations might have some competitive but not really hostile, and in the long run they enjoy free and very profitable trade with each other and investing in development of infrastructure that increase standards of the living. +--- 57868046 +>>57867330 +This could be a troll post or genuine, and there is no way to know until we see the poster, so it must be assumed to be both. +--- 57868048 +>>57868009 +Friendly competition is always good. It's what drives innovation. What isn't good is to have two of the largest BRICS members having open border skirmishes because the only thing really uniting them is their dislike of America. +--- 57868052 +>>57868046 +It's obviously a joke you dumb reddit nigger. +--- 57868064 +>>57867296 (OP) +CSTO is a meme. Weakening it does not matter, when it barely exists as is. +--- 57868409 +Qazaqstan and Kyrgyzstan will focus on the OTS and it's possible that Türkmenistan will follow them. +Tajikistan is already struggling in their conflict with Kyrgyzstan and might have to bow to Iran or China instead. +--- 57868811 +>>57867330 +LMAO nice one! +--- 57868971 +>>57867330 + +Armenia doesn't even border Russia - unless you're looking to start a war with Georgia while you're at it. +--- 57868992 +>>57868971 +Russia has a famous airborne branch, the VDV. +They can just fly over from the sea and seize Yerevan in a matter of hours. +--- 57869015 +>>57868992 +oh yes, I want to see it... after we supply them with Piorun MANPADS +--- 57869029 +>>57868992 +May I see it? +--- 57869038 +>>57868992 +*once famous. They all died and were replaced by literal ladyboys +--- 57869043 +Inconsequential to everyone besides Armenia itself. +The only consequence to Armenia is they become even more isolated and their diaspora, ultra-nationalists and activists make even more retarded decisions +--- 57869202 +>>57869029 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rAHrHd2lcw&list=RD0rAHrHd2lcw [Embed] +--- 57869892 +>>57867925 +Its members are at war with one another right now. +It does not exist. +--- 57869908 +>>57868992 +>They can just fly over from the sea +Ah yes, the famous sea... of a landlocked country... vatniggs really are retarded +--- 57869919 +>>57869908 +The sea is where the VDV is currently stationed. +--- 57869928 +>>57869919 +Kek'd +--- 57869929 +>>57869029 +Sure, and if you've got time we can take a tour of the Moskva while we're at it. +--- 57871373 +>>57868992 +>Russia has a famous airborne branch, the VDV. +VDV in the year 2023. +--- 57871969 +>>57867341 +>negro-karbach or whatever +kek +it's nagorno-karabakh -> mountain-karabakh +--- 57872026 +>>57867983 +apparently they'de be fucked demographically in a few years. if monke could not keep the economy stable in order to pay pensions to commie-boomers, russia would legit collapse in a bunch of civil wars in the span of a few years. +funny thing is, it probably still will do in the near future lmao +--- 57872944 +>>57867330 +Why must we still suffer the existance of russian bots on /k/? +Just fuck off already +--- 57873055 +>>57872944 +there'll be way less of them around once the russhit federation dissolves and glavset will begin to disband. +the future is bright diff --git a/k/57867317.txt b/k/57867317.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..ae9038e103bb48c17e3432385f65acd2b5965e9f --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57867317.txt @@ -0,0 +1,233 @@ +----- +--- 57867317 +Why does he use a sword? wouldn't he have more training bayonet fighting? +--- 57867336 +He's a new officer. The sword is a symbol of his office. +--- 57867350 +>>57867317 (OP) +Bayonets have always been "good enough" cope melee weapons attached to a great ranged weapon. +--- 57867410 +>>57867317 (OP) +He was a rifleman. Riflemen didn't use bayonets. +--- 57867413 +in both the books and shows he basically just flails around in tard rage and wins because his opponents are either nancy boys or the fr-nch +it's mentioned many times that he uses a heavy cavalry sword without any sword training other than brawling +incidentally since there seems to be so much more sharpe posting than normal, you guys should try the author's other books, it's basically the same main character in other historical eras +--- 57867502 +>>57867410 +baker rifles accepted sword bayonets. No idea how often they were used as bayonets vs used as swords vs not used at all, but they had them +--- 57867505 +>>57867317 (OP) +>>57867350 +this +Bayonets were for the rank and file to give them a chance at melee combat. During the Napoleonic wars infantry on infantry bayonet charges mostly didn't result in the often imagined fight to the last man, as one of the formations would usually break before it came to that. +A more practical purpose for the bayonet was defense against cavalry, in which officers and NCO's didn't participate directly since they were organizing the unit from inside the square. +Sharpe would've been issued a sword already as a sergeant in India, so he would've had more than enough time to practice and git gud by the time of Sharpe's Rifles. +His cavalry sword was given to him by a dying superior officer in one of the books iirc. +--- 57867520 +>>57867502 +>>57867410 +forgot the pic +--- 57867607 +>>57867317 (OP) +What's up with all the Sharpe threads lately? Did one fag just watch it or something? +--- 57867659 +>>57867607 +>watch it +You mean read, right anon? +Right, anon? +--- 57867715 +>>57867317 (OP) +On first sighting a Sharpe thread, I naturally gave the order to post. That's my style, sir. +--- 57867719 +>>57867715 +Did any anon distinguish himself? +--- 57867745 +>>57867659 +>not watching the show +>Cheesy 80s guitar mixed with fife and drum intro plays +>Small skirmish between the British and French +>Sharpe flailing his sword around while Hagman gives cover fire +>They win the skirmish +>Messenger on horseback approaches +>"Lieutenant/Captain/Major Sharpe, you are summoned to Lord Wellington's tent" +>"Bloody ell Patrick, what's 'e want now" +>Sharpe arrives in old Nosey's tent +>His spymaster of the day is there +>As is a weasel looking British officer or French lord +>"Sharpe, this is Lord Fucksworth, who has a dangerous mission for you - you will be enormously outnumbered, deep behind enemy lines with no support, oh and Major Ducos is around so watch out for him +>Lord Fuckworth insults him for being a poorfag but reluctantly accepts that this is Wellington's best man +>"As ye like sir, Ah'll get it dun" +>Cut to Sharpe and Patrick discussing the mission +>"It dun maek bloody sense Patrick, why do they need us to tek this castle/find this woman/get these supplies/uncover this plot" +>"Oh surely as the fields o' Ireland are green, sir, God has a plan for us, sir" +>A few battles happen on the way to the objective +>Oh look it's an attractive young woman who keeps looking at Sharpe suggestively +>They fuck +>"Look Patrick! It's the thing we're here for!" +>"LOOK OUT SIR" +>Lord Fucksworth appears and betrays Sharpe +>Ducos appears +>"HON HON HON! Bamboozled you again my nemesis" +>"Bloody Ducos" +>Battle happens +>Patrick goes "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH BANG" with the 7 barrelled gun +>Wellington arrives +>"Well done Sharpe! You've done it again" +>Sharpe and his men march into the sunset +>THERE'S FORTY SHILLINGS ON THE DRUM...FOR THOSE WHO VOLUNTEER TO COME... +--- 57867823 +>>57867719 +Monkeposter Gibbons started the shitpost, sir. +--- 57867828 +>>57867745 +Sovl +--- 57867834 +>>57867745 +You did me a damn good turn. Now I'm going to do you a damn bad one. +I'm giving you a field commission, Anon. From this moment on +you're a lieutenant in the 69th. +--- 57867840 +>>57867834 +The other guy who played Wellesley was so much better +--- 57867862 +>>57867745 +Ya Bastid +--- 57867986 +>>57867745 +Forgot the obligatory scene to raise the stakes where Sharpe gets wounded in every episode +--- 57868000 +>>57867823 +Fantastic. +--- 57870914 +>>57867413 +I think one of the main reasons people like it is because it takes place during the the early 1800s +--- 57870946 +>sharpe's eagles + +is it really that good? Watched the first couple of scenes where he saved the dog and the officer on the horse, then was "rewarded" and it was OK i suppose. Does it get better? +--- 57871014 +>>57870946 +It's B-Movie shlock but overall enjoyable. You really could see the low budget in the first movie. +--- 57871089 +>>57867413 +what happens in those books? +--- 57871112 +>>57867336 +This. + >>57867317 (OP) +But also he was a rifleman, rifles of the time generally didn’t take bayonets and the soldiers who fought with them typically used short “hanger” swords like pic related for fighting in a melee. This is what the other chosen men used throughout the series. + +This French infantry sword is a historical example of a hanger. +--- 57871178 +>>57870946 +its low budget and very 90s. the reason its looked at so fondly is because the show has really solid acting. +--- 57871231 +>>57867715 +>>57867823 +Sharpeposting must be more a thing +--- 57871274 +>>57871231 +>>57867745 +>>57867719 +>>57867715 + +Now that's soldiering. +--- 57871379 +>>57871178 +>>57870946 +The books are also very entertaining historical adventure fare. +I personally prefer the books set in India more than the peninsular war. +--- 57871464 +>>57867413 +>he basically just flails around in tard rage +only in the first book; it's always emphasised that he's an excellent swordsman of the hack and slash school, as opposed to the stabbety rapier school +probably because of his brute strength +>either nancy boys or the fr-nch +tautology + +>>57867413 +>the author's other books +Cornwell's Agincourt and Waterloo are magnificent + +>>57867502 +>No idea how often they were used as bayonets vs used as swords vs not used at all +"Sword-bayonet" is something of a misnomer; it is called a sword-bayonet because it is longer than a regular bayonet and nearly as long as a sword, because a rifle is shorter than a musket + +Rifle officers used them as swords, but rarely would have fought in melee. + +Riflemen used them as bayonets, and here they did see significant use, because the rifle battalions, some Portuguese line battalions and several line battalions of the King's German Legion were equipped wholly with the Baker rifle and sword-bayonet. The latter fought in square often during the Napoleonic wars against French cavalry, thus ending up using the sword-bayonet in its bayonet role as frequently as regular bayonets. + +>>57867745 +unfathomably based + +>>57867834 +>posting the wrong Wellington +you were this close +--- 57871659 +>>57867715 +Ain't you that man what lost the King's Colors? +--- 57872003 +>>57871464 +>tautology +Had a kek. I'm glad I look up the definition of words I don't know. +--- 57872646 +>>57867317 (OP) +As a rifleman what would he use today? Full length M16? Or an SLR? + +And instead of the sword would he have a Hi-Power, P228 or Glock? Or lug around an MP5? + +What would Harper use? GPMG? L128 shotgun? + +What about Hagman? Arctic Warfare or just plain LMT L129 DMR? +--- 57872756 +>>57872646 +>SLR +He'd rock a full auto G3 with extended mags and shame all the other bongs with full auto. He'd fucking enjoy the savage recoil. + +Harper would carry a GPMG aka FN MAG, at least four belts of linked 7.62 and two LAWs. + +Hagman would usually have an L118. Harris is his spotter and Perkins humps the spare AX50 for the old boy. +--- 57872803 +>>57872756 +>every episode would have Harper doing an Animal Mother charge with his scream-operated GPMG +--- 57872885 +>>57871089 +hero guy kills and beds everything that moves +complete with competent irish sidekick and always gets in trouble with the church +it's not a complex genre, but then again neither am i +cadarn is a proud briton dunking on the saxons, also fuck the fr-nch +uthred is a proud saxon dunking on the vikings, also fuck the fr-nch +hookton is a proud englishmen dunking on the fr-nch +sharpe is sharpe +--- 57872935 +>>57871464 +well yeah, he's an excellent swordsman in that he has gained lot of experience in killing people in his tard rage and gutter fighting +--- 57873037 +Funny how Sharpe was at every historical event from personally killing Tipu Sultan, to personally wounding the Prince of Orange at Waterloo to actually meeting Napoleon in exile at Saint Helena. +--- 57873087 +>>57873037 +And being at Trafalgar somehow. +It's almost as if he's the MC of a fictional novel series. +--- 57873115 +>>57873087 +Nice try Ducos, Sharpe was real. +--- 57873116 +>>57867317 (OP) +The real question is why do none of his riflemen ever use bayonets? I know the Baker took bayonets, but all they ever did in the show was club people with their rifles. +--- 57873145 +>>57873116 +According to internet: +>Riflemen were also issued with a sword bayonet for close combat. The sword bayonet for a rifle was also longer than the bayonets used on muskets. These sword bayonets were not very robust and so riflemen rarely used them in close combat. Instead the soldiers tended to use them for odd jobs like cutting firewood. +--- 57873180 +>>57873145 +>sword isn't robust +>use them for cutting firewood +--- 57873277 +>>57873145 +>riflemen rarely used them in close combat +mainly because usually riflemen are skirmishers akin to modern scout-snipers who wouldn't ever be either charging with them, or forming square to receive cavalry; skirmishers either sniped from a distance or when threatened, ran back to the safety of the infantry battalions they were supporting + +there were significant exceptions and the sword-bayonet did see significant use, see: >>57871464 + +the real answer to >>57873116 is the same as why Sharpe's Waterloo consists of a dozen horsemen and two cannons prancing around a well-manicured bit of park. diff --git a/k/57867718.txt b/k/57867718.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..db598443b5e6a885b6a2dc13f302b21d378ffc65 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57867718.txt @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@ +----- +--- 57867718 +Do you think Snoop Dogg would make a good U.S. Army special forces soldier? +--- 57867721 +He would make good target practice. +--- 57867801 +>Private Dogg and his platoon was caught smoking weed in the battlefield, neglecting to defend their area +--- 57868310 +>>57867718 (OP) +lol no, he would be that type of greasy guy that would always try to find a way to not do his designed tasks, giving everyone else more work to do. +--- 57868499 +Not sure, wasn't he caught smoking marihuana or something? +In my opinion, that record does not mix with being a soldier. +--- 57869579 +>>57867718 (OP) +No, but he'd probably do a better job intimidating people as a drill sargent than a tranny or a female. +--- 57870710 +>>57867718 (OP) +>>57867801 +he would probably be happy in Vietnam he would love the weed. Would he be infantry tho he would probably be a quarter master just chillin diff --git a/k/57867743.txt b/k/57867743.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d82b9e891ce92b9acdbe7d31e806f2af2f7c6b40 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57867743.txt @@ -0,0 +1,196 @@ +----- +--- 57867743 +>https://files.catbox.moe/mwsn6k.mp4 + +Isolated trench gets blown to pieces. I honestly don't know whats more cruel. Left to bleed out for 30mins or buried by tank tracks. +--- 57867751 +Why not move in for the kill? Trying to bait reinforcements? +--- 57867753 +>>57867743 (OP) +Probably being buried. +--- 57867769 +what are we looking at anon, ukies or vatniks? +--- 57867772 +>>57867753 +Guess so. In the burrying vid you can see vehicles approaching the trench from the oppsoite direction the ukies came in. +I wonder if they try to bait each other sending more troops to unfavorable battles to save people. +--- 57867781 +>>57867772 +>burying vid +Never actually saw it, link? +--- 57867785 +>>57867769 +Hard to tell but I think its Ukrainians in the trench. +One guy has white armband but then we see some greenish band on another. I guess white is probably tourniquet +--- 57867790 +>>57867781 +Do you live in a cave? + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QESktRh0430 [Embed] +(uncensored on their TG) +--- 57867794 +>>57867781 +Probably one of the craziest shit out of this war so far. There are few more parts in the channel + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QESktRh0430 [Embed] +--- 57867814 +>>57867790 +I haven't been on /k/ in a long while for reasons unrelated to this war. Lotta family deaths etc, in situations like that my instinct is to leave my usual stomping grounds and go elsewhere for stretches of time. Odd quirk of mine I guess. + +>>57867790 +>>57867794 +>39 seconds in +Did somebody in that tank just toss out a lunch box? Surely that's not some sort of auto-eject feature, right? +--- 57867819 +>>57867814 +>Did somebody in that tank just toss out a lunch box? +lol, its ejecting some shell caps shortly after firing each time +--- 57867821 +>>57867769 +>massive Z logo at the top left +>arabic music +Those are probably ukies getting fucked. +--- 57867825 +>>57867743 (OP) +Holy fuck are those trees? How long does it take for the land to heal from a modern war? +--- 57867829 +>>57867821 +Pretty sure its Black Hawk Down soundtrack +--- 57867832 +>>57867825 +This is a guess but I would say a few years and that field will look much more normal, and then 5 - 10 years beyond that you'll have trees of decent height again. +--- 57867841 +>>57867825 +Yea, sad to see this useless war go on. I remember seeing craters still visible to this day in France but the nature around it flourishing so theres hope. +--- 57867846 +>>57867841 +WW I shell craters* +--- 57867867 +>>57867841 +>unexploded ordnance still being cleared to this day +>at current rate, complete clearance will take another 7 centuries +Yeah nah. Don't go innawoods if you live in Europe. +--- 57867878 +>>57867867 +>unexploded ordnance still being cleared to this day +Huh? How is it not inert at this point? +--- 57867879 +>>57867790 +Was that tank just intentionally crushing corpses or the survivors? That seems pretty shitty. +--- 57867898 +>>57867879 +There were at least 2 visible soldiers still alive. Very fucked up thing to do when the other side sees shit like that they will respond in kind and it keeps escalating. +Same shit with executing POWs +--- 57867901 +>>57867878 +>Despite their age, unexploded munitions remain very dangerous. The French Département du Déminage (Department of Mine Clearance) recovers about 900 tons of unexploded munitions every year. Since 1946, approximately 630 French ordnance disposal workers have died handling unexploded munitions.[5] Two died handling munitions outside Vimy, France as recently as 1998, and in 2014 two Belgian construction workers were killed when they encountered an unexploded shell buried for a century +--- 57867904 +>>57867785 +We know Wagner uses Ukrainian uniforms to try and bypass lines, so it's not that out of the blue to think it might be Russians. +But I honestly have no idea. +--- 57867923 +>>57867901 +>2014 two Belgian construction workers were killed when they encountered an unexploded shell buried for a century +Fucking hell had no idea buried explosives can go bang after a fucking century. Can imagine Germany is even worse off from WW2 +--- 57867930 +>>57867904 +>Wagner uses Ukrainian uniforms to try and bypass lines +I keep seeing this claim after the roll video came out. Is there any actual evidence? +--- 57867935 +>>57867923 +It depends but you should treat any situation with old unexploded ordinance as very dangerous. +--- 57867950 +>>57867923 +>Although professional EOD personnel have expert knowledge, skills and equipment, they are not immune to misfortune because of the inherent dangers: in June 2010, construction workers in Göttingen, Germany discovered an Allied 500-kilogram (1,100 lb) bomb dating from World War II buried approximately 7 metres (23 ft) below the ground. German EOD experts were notified and attended the scene. Whilst residents living nearby were being evacuated and the EOD personnel were preparing to disarm the bomb, it detonated, killing three of them and severely injuring six others. The dead and injured each had over 20 years of hands-on experience, and had previously rendered safe between 600 and 700 unexploded bombs. +War is a hell that lasts a long time. +--- 57867958 +>>57867743 (OP) +>>57867751 +This seems like two videos mixed together by vatniks. The first one shows armour attacking trenches in the snow, but the second is suspiciously free of it, and the wounded soldiers seem russian despite sometimes green armbands appearing and dissapearing. I bet it has been edited. +--- 57867973 +>>57867958 +Idk the ukies in the vid might be the Georgian legion? Where was this located!? +--- 57867991 +>>57867958 +Could be. You can see some whiteish shit top left at some point so who the fuck knows +--- 57868020 +One badly wounded and unconscious, some wounded who are able to move - no big deal. + +Meanwhile the russian infantry following the tanks was mowed down by MGs and the tanks most likely got destroyed in the forest - probably 150-200 KIA for russians at minimum. + +They really are desperate, aren't they? +--- 57868021 +>>57867878 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_rouge + +The fucking soil is poisoned. + +>>57867867 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eifel_National_Park#Minefield_danger +--- 57868041 +>>57867781 +--- 57868053 +>>57868021 +>glass mines +Wasn't aware of these, interesting read. The wiki page talks about a thin tube of aluminum used in its construction, I wonder if modern metal detectors could pick that up or not. +--- 57868066 +>>57867930 +Just drop ignoring facts. +https://files.catbox.moe/k0ht2r.mp4 +--- 57868074 +>>57867923 +>Can imagine Germany is even worse off from WW2 +There was a big one that was successfully rendered safe just yesterday in Dresden, but every few years there will be a few deaths because another bomb just randomly exploded after being discovered. +--- 57868102 +>>57868066 +What is he saying? He has a white armband +--- 57868125 +>>57868102 +>where do you serve +>fagner, from prison +>where do you get this uniform +>it was issued +>for what purpose? +>to look like ukrainian soldiers +>do you realize you are fucked? +>da +--- 57868149 +>>57868125 +But thats not a Ukranian uniform and why does he have white armband which is used by wagnerfags? +--- 57868197 +>>57867821 +>arab music +>lol must be ukies getting fucked +>rengoku trap remix and BHD soundtrack +Vatniks truly are uncultured, vapid faggots. +--- 57868356 +>>57868149 +It's a very low effort bacon propaganda. +--- 57870125 +>>57867904 +What do you think the big Z watermark means? +Ukraine is winning? +--- 57871802 +>>57867878 +There are a number of mines filled with explosives leftover from WW1, abandoned in situ at the end of the war. +One of them detonated in 1955 when lightning hit a power pylon that was above it. +The scary thing is there are a number of those types of mines sitting out there and nobody knows exactly where they are. +Then there's all the WWII UXO still being found all over former European battlefields. + +https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/aug/03/weatherwatch-lightning-unleashes-lost-belgian-mine-flanders-first-world-war +--- 57871830 +>>57867923 +My area is next to the front line of WW1 in Belgium. We call it the iron harvest. The estimates are that we will still have bombs rising up in the coming 700 wars. It's actually something farmers learn to know if a shell has already exploded or not. Let's just say once in a while a farmer makes a mistake and thinks the shell is safe and just toss it to the side of a field for it to explode. +--- 57871853 +>>57868020 +>turk going "that could've been me!" +--- 57872068 +>>57870125 +russia telegrams use Uki footage all the time. especially when it is soldiers from far away. or an explosion from a different angle. at the start of summer this happend with the themal videos the most, pretending it was some russian SF raid taking down western infiltrators. + +or when they got BTFO and needed to safe face like snake island or the river crossings + +>>57867958 +kinda agree, seem like different event mixed to imply a single mission with a positive outcome. + +i think that the trench got captured, so there are a green band dead around. but the Russian got blasted in turn so we see the wounded/dying white band crawling around. Just like T road. diff --git a/k/57867910.txt b/k/57867910.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f02865079fd8135f85ee839f22841178cdcf9626 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57867910.txt @@ -0,0 +1,635 @@ +----- +--- 57867910 +>On Wednesday, March 22, Joshua Federov and his 11-year-old friend yelled at a stranger, identified as 29-year-old Joshua David Pence in a report by Fox 13 Seattle. The kids called Pence an "NPC," and Pence allegedly responded by brandishing a knife and chasing the kids into a Dollar Tree store. According to the report, Pence stabbed the 11-year-old multiple times, injuring his lung and liver. The 11-year-old was hospitalized but has survived the attack and is back home. The family has set up a GoFundMe for those interested in donating. Meanwhile, Pence has been arrested and charged with two counts of assault, one for assault with a weapon and another for assault of a child. + +What's the best defense against a larger knife wielding assailant? +--- 57867917 +>>57867910 (OP) +Not going around aggroing mobs? +--- 57867920 +why stab +like smacking the kid I'd understand but damn +--- 57867929 +>>57867910 (OP) +>haha, i'm going to talk shit in real life like I'm on the internet +>gets stabbed + +at least the kid learned a valuable lesson +--- 57867942 +>>57867920 +He couldn't escape his programming. +--- 57867954 +>walk into a PvP zone and start antagonizing NPCs +lol noob +--- 57867955 +>>57867929 +Federov russian name +--- 57867961 +>>57867910 (OP) +Little Josh fucked around and found out he's not on the Internet +--- 57867963 +>>57867920 +Kids are annoying little shits and the guy is a nutjob. + +Gas + fire = boom +--- 57867964 +>>57867910 (OP) +Based Russians calling anglos for what they are +--- 57867968 +>>57867910 (OP) +Don't live in a Blue state, especially the west coast. +--- 57868002 +>>57867910 (OP) +>What's the best defense against a larger knife wielding assailant? +You don't taunt a mob and expect it not to attack you. Either you grind levels first before attacking said mob or you don't bother the mob. +--- 57868058 +>>57867917 +Kek +--- 57868063 +>>57867910 (OP) +Post pic of the stabber +I have an assumption +--- 57868065 +>>57867910 (OP) +Sorry, but you pull it, you tank it. +--- 57868068 +>>57867917 +fpbp +--- 57868071 +>>57867910 (OP) +>mr fedora goes around calling people npcs in real life +--- 57868084 +>>57867910 (OP) +Attacker was probably of the melanin persuasion and thought the kid said nigger +--- 57868089 +>>57867910 (OP) +>use outdated meme +>get stabbed + +based +--- 57868092 +>>57868065 +Lmao +--- 57868095 +it's always the dumb kids drawing aggro +--- 57868097 +>>57867917 +ebin +--- 57868187 +>>57867910 (OP) +This whole situation is just surreal. +>>57867917 +This. Everyone knows not to look an enderman in the eyes +--- 57868297 +Fucking Trump old Vice President is a madman +--- 57868307 +>>57867920 +You ever play skyrim? People will try to murder you over a chicken in that game. +--- 57868311 +>>57868089 +>outdated +it's more relevant and true than ever my computer controlled friend +--- 57868344 +>>57867917 +--- 57868515 +>>57867920 +Never should have come here! + +This is the part where you fall down and bleed to death! +--- 57868535 +>>57868311 +You should be recuperating and not on the internet, Joshua +--- 57868552 +>The family has set up a GoFundMe +sick and tired of this auto panhandling the moment shit happens +--- 57868564 +>>57867917 +>Not going around aggroing mobs? +Or at least make sure you're appropriately leveled for that area's content. lvl 11 sounds a little low there, should have stuck in starter areas for a while longer. +--- 57868578 +>>57868552 +upgrade your shitty fucking healthcare system then so that some family having their preteen child randomly stabbed doesnt mean they instantly go bankrupt +--- 57868615 +>>57867910 (OP) +>Federov +I'm not even surprised. +--- 57868641 +>>57868578 + dead nigger storage is cheaper +--- 57868659 +>>57868578 +This will never happen unless we Shoah the boomers +--- 57868675 +>>57867910 (OP) +A prayer level of at least 43 +--- 57868716 +>>57867920 +His primary weapon was a knife. His programming didn't include weapon switching. +--- 57868771 +>>57868564 +>mfw I smuggle my fully upgraded epic loot into the starting area +--- 57868780 +>>57867910 (OP) +Based 11 year old. + +So many kids these days make racist jokes, even about their own race, and a growing amount of them are hating the trans and furry community, especially their enablers. + +These teacher unions and lefties running the schools wanted these kids to be accepting and woke, but they're becoming erwache and swinging back hard. +--- 57868896 +>>57867910 (OP) +>Seattle +>assault with a weapon +>not attempted murder +How much you wanna bet he gets out on cashless bail? +--- 57868910 +>>57867917 +Fippy bippy +--- 57868920 +>>57868780 +>erwache +this nigga goes around preschools offering free candy +--- 57868922 +>>57867910 (OP) +>charged with two counts of assault, one for assault with a weapon and another for assault of a child. +>stabbing an 11 year old +>lung and liver +Nigga, shouldn’t that be attempted murder? +--- 57868936 +Very gay reaction in this thread. I would tell my son not to anger shitty niggers and I would track this guy and kill him at an opportune time. Maybe if the kid had attacked him somehow I could understand the response. I’m sure it’s a tweaker retard who is better off dead. +--- 57868947 +>>57867920 +Kid failed a speech check +--- 57868955 +>>57868920 +Only on halloween and they're full sized candy bars, nigger. +--- 57868970 +>>57867954 +>PvP zone +>NPCs +--- 57868982 +>>57868955 +>Halloween +>full size candy bars +You the real MVP +Based candy bar anon +--- 57868989 +>>57868936 +He behaved more like an NPC that had no programming for when the children that should have had the same programming as he did, but didn't, and defaulted to the psychotic delusional base programming of a lefty faggot. +--- 57869004 +>>57867910 (OP) +>not turning around to the kid in robotic motion and say +>Halt scoundrel! +then proceed to 360 and moonwalk away +--- 57869067 +>>57868970 +Alterac Valley +--- 57869075 +>a man +You just know it was a nigger +--- 57869355 +>>57869075 +>Joshua Federov +>Joshua David Pence +they were both jews +--- 57869392 +>>57869075 +You know it's a nigger because a photo cannot be found on the internet, and bing already has "Joshua David Pence washington" populating in search. +--- 57869395 +>>57867910 (OP) +shoulda quicksaved +--- 57869429 +>>57867929 +I like how these threads consistently feature retards making it seem like the kid is genuinely at fault for getting stabbed. +--- 57869453 +>>57868307 +I thought you'd mention the obnoxious way kids are written in that game. It's like the writers decided to revel in the fact the kids are unkillable and mock you with it. +It's like that shit kid in Fallout 2 that would insult you and pickpocket you all the time so they could bait you into acquiring the Child Killer trait at the start of the game. +--- 57869488 +>>57869392 +https://jailregister.sno911.org/SCSO/Inmate/Detail/-21883139 +--- 57869503 +>>57867910 (OP) +Back in my day people knew antagonizing schizos was a bad idea +--- 57869516 +>>57869429 +They take being called an NPC personally +--- 57869518 +>>57868922 +Jesus Christ anon he wasn't trying to murder the kid, just stab him up a little +--- 57869534 +>>57869429 +Fuck around and find out + +People love to fuck around but then start crying at the find out part +--- 57869545 +>>57869488 +Link won’t work +--- 57869551 +>>57867910 (OP) +>Never Should Have Come Here +--- 57869553 +stabity stab :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD +--- 57869556 +>>57869534 +How do you know the stabbers wasn't the one fucking around, high on meth bothering people? +--- 57869564 +>>57869556 +How do I know you aren't the stabee trying to drive sympathy for their GoFundMe page? +--- 57869570 +>>57867920 +Because he is an NPC and his disposition fell too low. +--- 57869571 +>>57869564 +you got me +--- 57869574 +>>57867910 (OP) +>The kids called Pence an "NPC +Why be upset at being called a non-person of color? +--- 57869589 +>>57867910 (OP) +Life becomes so much easier when you purposely avoid interacting with 99.99% of people irl +--- 57869590 +>>57869429 +>You shouldn't antagonize schizos that look like they might stab you for saying a few words +Is the same thing as saying don't put your hand on the stove. If I see a crackhead with a knife on the street.I'm walking the other way, not yelling insults the first chance I get. +--- 57869608 +>>57869589 +It's not that difficult to not get stabbed outside +>Don't speak to anyone unless spoken to +>Walk around the nut jobs +>If the nut job is approaching you go the other way +>If the nut job is yelling at you ignore it +>If the nut job is chasing you run the other away +>If the nut job is yelling and chasing you and you can't get away, shoot him +There's a simple line of protocols to follow here +--- 57869615 +>>57867910 (OP) +>Call NPC an NPC +>Skull and red health bar appears over his head +--- 57869617 +>>57868780 +>these days +Kids always made racist jokes +t. former kid +--- 57869620 +>>57867910 (OP) +>Someone stabs your child. +>You are now in massive debt. +>Have to start a GoFundMe +Fuck the Healthcare system and all those people making it worse. +--- 57869633 +>>57868780 +You must not have had a group of friends as a kid. +--- 57869644 +>>57867910 (OP) +>lvl 11 retard aggroes lvl 29 npc +>gets thrashed +gee, who would've seen that coming? +--- 57869650 +NPC learned the hard way not to call the player an NPC +--- 57869652 +>>57867910 (OP) +Something something tree of liberty Mexican accent +--- 57869664 +>>57869620 +Sorry but if dems werent anti gun and antu christian more people would vote for them +--- 57869672 +Best healthcare system in the world. Thirdies and other poorfags keep seething. I simply shan't be waiting 12 hours in the ER, sorry :) +--- 57869713 +>>57867954 +*PvE + +Have you never played a single round of Mann Vs. Machine? +--- 57869831 +>>57869551 +I lost +--- 57870172 +>>57867917 +This is why I come here +--- 57870270 +>>57867910 (OP) +Stabbing someone in the lung and liver is attempted murder. +--- 57870428 +>The kids called Pence an "NPC," and Pence allegedly responded by brandishing a knife and chasing the kids into a Dollar Tree store +That's exactly something an npc would do. +--- 57870443 +NEVER SHOULD'VE COME HERE +--- 57870458 +>>57870428 +>You start running, so I can stab you in the back +--- 57870502 +DPS who can't manage their aggro get what they're owed, but somehow I still feel this is the healers' fault +t Tank main +--- 57870513 +>>57867910 (OP) +>Joshua Federov +>Joshua David Pence + +Why is everyone with my name such an asshole? +--- 57870582 +>>57867910 (OP) +Play stupid games win stupid prizes. + +Be less fat, become a runner. +--- 57870627 +>>57869672 +https://blog.mycology.cornell.edu/2006/11/22/i-survived-the-destroying-angel/ +>Wednesday, July 19th. I arrived at the ER of Cayuga Medical Center about 9:15 a.m. I went in and walked straight up to the receptionist. She was on the phone with someone. She obviously was in a discussion with someone about some problem and it wasn’t going to be anytime soon that she could get off the phone. I waited patiently thinking, “I don’t want to make a scene.” Nevertheless, I didn’t understand why she couldn’t put the person on hold while she addressed a new emergency room client.Finally, around 9:30, she got off the phone and asked “What can I do for you?” +>"Yes miss I am literally about to FUCKING DIE thank you" +--- 57870651 +>>57867917 +FPBP kid fucked around and found out that mobs aggro on powerwords. +--- 57870661 +>>57868970 +They're server bots using player character templates, he just didn't know he ran into one. +--- 57870666 +>>57868578 +>Federov +--- 57870681 +>this story +>the zoomer YouTube "prankster" who started messing with a guy in a VA mall who just wordlessly pulled out a gun and shot him +probably not a good idea to antagonize strangers in public +--- 57870732 +>>57867910 (OP) +>>57868552 +>The family has set up a GoFundMe for those interested in donating +Leftoids literally can't wait to achieve their dream of some kind of victimhood status so they can get free gibs. +--- 57870736 +>NPC gets triggered by being called an NPC +>oblivion_NPC_hostile.exe +honestly the guy was probably a redditor, you faggots get so easily assblasted by bantz +--- 57870739 +>>57869608 +This but +>If the nut job is approaching you, shoot him +End it early, no one would blame you. +--- 57870750 +>>57869429 +The internet has taught me that a large portion of the population creams their pants over the idea of a kid getting horribly brutalised for some incredibly minor transgression. I assume that it appeals to some kind of revenge fantasy for people whose lives are shit. +The comments threads for those twitter accounts that tweet videos of fights are the worst for that crap. +If that's what people are like deep down, it makes sense that third-world countries have wild lynchings over stupid bullshit. +--- 57870757 +>>57870732 +--- 57870762 +I'm surprised the man knew what the kid meant, and I'm surprised kid picked up phoneposter garbage phrases from like 6 years ago. +--- 57870766 +>>57867910 (OP) +>Seattle +There's your problem +--- 57870788 +>>57870627 +>nigress er receptionist +Fuckin rip +--- 57870806 +>>57870750 +Anon do you not remember bumfight vids on early Youtube or are you a terminally online zoom zoom on your phone? +--- 57870862 +>>57869617 +>t. former kid +No you're. I am Mann Maturschild from Neverland Oblast and you strike me as a 5th columnist. +--- 57870878 +>>57870806 +I do, but I'm pretty sure it's getting worse. +00s internet viewed it as morbid entertainment, whereas 20s internet always tries to find some way to morally justify it and vicariously live out some personal vendetta. +--- 57870888 +>>57868578 +If the NPC dies then the loss is affordable. What do is obvious and it takes only a few minutes of grunting to make another. +--- 57870897 +>>57870762 +anon the meme is still current. It cuts so deeply down to the truth of many people's daily state of being that it will always be current. Also i think it was closer to 5ish years than 6. +--- 57870960 +>>57870878 +For me it comes off as morbid entertainment because the kid calls someone a NPC and he gets the aggro treatment. It almost straddles the edge of the concept of fuck around and find out like aggroing a crackhead with a knife since there's something off enough about the stabber that he kneejerks to the kid calling him a NPC of all things since he seems like he doesn't have that strong of self preservation instinct to avoid starting trouble with a troubled individual. +--- 57870990 +>>57870681 +>the zoomer YouTube "prankster" who started messing with a guy in a VA mall who just wordlessly pulled out a gun and shot him + +Link for lulz? I savor the death and maiming of fools. +--- 57871030 +>>57870750 +No, it's because idiots are tiring and deserve to be smashed at any age. A stupid "kid" will in a couple of years be a stupid adult. They don't get better and most people being stupid I enjoy their invited suffering. + +"Chill or bleed" would make the world a better place. +--- 57871043 +>>57870960 +^This too +--- 57871060 +>>57867910 (OP) +>/pol/tard outside his natural habitat +>gets stabbed playing stupid games +many such cases +--- 57871160 +>>57867910 (OP) +Poor bastard didn’t realize he could still aggro the areas enemy NPCs despite being under leveled. +--- 57871171 +>>57867929 +Yes because obviously 11 year olds should be expected not to act like retarded kids. +--- 57871172 +>>57871030 +I cut myself on this post. +It's a perfect example of what I'm talking about. There are far too many niggers who watched The Joker and thought "that's literally me!" +Every single kid does stupid shit, and you did too. +And dealing with irritating people is part of life. +--- 57871190 +>>57871030 +Imagine being such a retarded autist you think elementary aged children deserve to be murdered for calling someone a fucking NPC. Seek therapy you deranged faggot. +--- 57871222 +>>57867910 (OP) +>this week on Zoomie forgets he's not on the internet +--- 57871244 +>>57870897 +>>57870762 +2016 was 9 years ago. +--- 57871253 +>>57870990 +https://www.loudountimes.com/news/cops_and_courts/new-details-released-in-dulles-mall-shooting/article_e03f71cc-d7c1-11ed-80c7-c348e0c10753.html + +Surprisingly both people involved were white +--- 57871281 +>>57868578 +>let me tell you about your country +There's an entire industry of lawyers that chomp at the bit for cases like this. There is a 0% chance the family will have to pay a cent because there's already four different Silverbergs and Rothsteins that have called them to sue the shit out of the stabber and make him pay the bills (including their fees). +The GoFundMe will ultimately just buy them a new house. +--- 57871302 +>>57869488 +>>57869545 +https://archive.is/sQe8q +--- 57871334 +>>57871244 +7 years ago.* +FTFY +--- 57871397 +>>57870960 +>kid calling him a NPC +Whenever this happens to me I immediately do the floss, spin 360 twice and do some bunnyhops/teabags. +Never fails to get a laugh. +One time I did the spy crab but they didn't get it and ran away. Fucking kids these days forget where they came from +--- 57871462 +>>57871397 +Based non-autist who takes insults from literal children seriously +--- 57871478 +>>57871397 +You should add Oblivion conversational lines in like mudcrabs in the future. +--- 57871481 +>>57867910 (OP) +Don't play stupid games, don't win stupid prizes. +--- 57871490 +>>57871481 +They were 11 +--- 57871536 +>>57871490 +I didn't get stabbed for being an insufferable jackass when i was 11, this Fedorov kid can accomplish that too. +--- 57871542 +>>57867910 (OP) +Total Zoomer Death +(TZD) +--- 57871548 +>>57867910 (OP) +Talk shit get hit, fuck around and find out etc +--- 57871567 +>>57868564 +The boys were headed on their first Barrens quests and wandered into RFK +--- 57871605 +>>57868578 +You don’t understand just how many ratfucks are Profiting off the mess of private healthcare. Not just the health insurance companies, not just the pharm companies, but car and home insurance firms, business insurance firms, an absolute army of lawyers who’s only purpose is to litigate this retarded claim case load. People hate on the MIC, but healthcare is the biggest invisible racket in our country today. +--- 57871630 +>>57871281 +Just because you can get a judgment from someone, doesn’t mean you can actually extract that much money from them. +--- 57871658 +>>57869429 +He is. Talking shit always got people hit, the internet made people forget that lesson. +--- 57871668 +>>57870732 +I heard they're Trump voters +--- 57871700 +>>57867910 (OP) +Well deserved. +--- 57871710 +>>57871658 +But call him an NCP, and you'll be shocked at how injured he is, at how sharply he recoils, at how he shrinks back: cout << "I've been found out"; +--- 57871736 +>>57871668 +>>57870732 +>Americans read about a kid getting stabbed, and they eagerly wait to hear about the political leanings of everyone involved +--- 57871738 +am I the only one terrified of 12-15 y-o kids? +they can literally do anything they want to you but you can't lay a finger on them +even macing a "kid" will net you assault charges + +a gang of 13-y-os can easily swarm and fuck you up if you are not allowed to punch them in the face +--- 57871739 +>>57871655 +--- 57871750 +>>57867910 (OP) +>call a guy a name +>get stabbed +Looks like the kid was the NPC and get got stabbed by the Chad main character. But seriously, why is he charged with assault and not attempted murder? +--- 57871757 +>>57868922 +Ever heard of a things called "friendly banter" +--- 57871770 +>>57871736 +Jokes on (You) I was just farming for (You)s +--- 57871806 +>>57867917 +--- 57871829 +>>57867910 (OP) +shouldve put more points into evasion +--- 57871893 +>>57867910 (OP) +>Natural NPC vs NPC fighting +Wow, this world is so alive. Thank you, Todd! +--- 57871922 +>>57869556 +Because then even dumb shit kids dont go bothering meth heads schizo +--- 57871970 +>>57869534 +If your response to getting called a name by an 11 year old child is to sperg out and stab him, you are an effeminate and a nigger. You can say "fuck around and find out!" All day long. You are the nigger here. +--- 57871971 +>>57871738 +Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six. Having a video can help your case too. I agree that too many people think that "kids" are harmless no matter what, but I think things are changing. Social media has provided plenty of video footage of rioting "youths" to open people's eyes. +--- 57871989 +>video gayme 'culture' +Disgusting. +--- 57872071 +why didn't he just give the kid a noogie +--- 57872085 +>>57871736 +Americans have nothing against the high score holders: +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China +--- 57872300 +>>57871302 + +thanks anon +--- 57872321 +>>57867917 +I am fucking dying holy shit. +--- 57872402 +>>57867910 (OP) +Little redditor shit deserved it. You know it, I know it, we all know it. +--- 57872421 +>>57867917 +kek +--- 57872713 +>>57871281 +It's fucking hilarious that you think the family would see one red cent out of a judgement. Even IF they got a judgement in their favor the only ones that will end up with any money will be the lawyers, because their fees come first, THEN your judgement. Then there's the simple fact the offender likely has little to no money and or assets to begin with. +Fuck, it's funny you think there are lawyers who'd take the case to begin with. ALMOST NONE will do anything pro-bono. VERY FEW will take it on a "only paid if we win". You want a lawyer? Cough up a retainer, that'll be a couple grand to start; and that's assuming they'll even take the case after a quick review of the facts. They aren't in it for justice, they're in it for money. Their decision will not rest on wether you've been wronged and are owed some sort of something from someone or your day in court or whatever. Their decision rests on wether they think they'll get paid/make a profit in taking the case. Think you have a righteous cause? Maybe you do. Think you have a case? Only if the laywer is going to make some bank. That means you're paying them, or they think chances are VERY VERY good that they'll recover fees from the person being sued, OR the case is high profile enough to pull in more business regardless of win/lose/draw/profit. +--- 57872797 +>>57871334 +>13 years ago +--- 57872836 +>>57867917 +Wtf is this lvl 11 n00b doing outside the starting zone flagged for pvp? He only has two talent points ffs. Need to be at least lvl 19 with good enchants to engage a lvl 29 rogue and even then the odds are stacked against you. Maybe if he had a healer with him but obviously he didn't, good thing he had a speed potion tho +--- 57872869 +>>57867920 +puberty is hitting earlier and earlier because of microplastics & hormones in food. the kid probably looked old enough that his fighting words illicited a response. +i get the feeling that he did more than just call him an NPC, as well. it's definitely a case of a slavic superpredator fucking around and finding out. +--- 57872890 +>>57869571 +just like the stabber +--- 57872901 +>>57871253 +you know what? if a bunch of loud zoomers kept following me around verbally harassing me, i'd get spooked too. +--- 57872908 +>>57867910 (OP) +>>57867917 +He is looking at a huge boost to HP, stamina, and evasion so he is a bit ahead of the curve for other players his level. +https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_II_stats +--- 57872946 +>>57869429 +>seem like the kid is genuinely at fault +yeah. he was. little shit fucked around and found out,. +the world these days with unruly disrespectful Lytle shitheads running around talking shit to anyone and everyone +--- 57872956 +>>57869534 +Everybody wants to fuck around +until its time to find out +--- 57873012 +>>57867910 (OP) +1. run the fuck away, its the best option and if you are quick and the attacker is fat or malnourished he wont catch you +2. gun, just shoot him lmao +3. insert risky melee combat option here (pepper gas or tazer applies since there is a chance it wont work) +rubber ball guns are a meme unless you are using police equipment, a shield is great if you have other people helping you or you have a plan to work with, a knife vs a knife tends to get both participants killed, a sword or a spear will give you a better distance the same a shield will keep you safe for a moment before engaging and anything bow or gun will stop a knife attacker. +4. this is a secret unarmed option where you grab a chair, trashcan or whatever and bludgeon the attacker to death +--- 57873047 +>>57867910 (OP) +>Everyone shitting up this thread with whether he deserved it or not +>still no confirmation on if the guy was black or not +/k/ needs to focus on what's really important +--- 57873127 +Why are kids so brave these days? When I was a kid I would have been terrified to insult somebody older than me. Is it improper parenting? +--- 57873139 +>>57869551 +>cast calm spell +>casually stroll behind him +>stealth suplex +heh, nothin personnel kid +--- 57873175 +>>57873127 +Kids aren't taught the concept of consequences for their actions anymore so they believe they are invincible +--- 57873187 +>>57867964 +Based bongs for stabbing young Russians in the most British way possible kek +--- 57873227 +>>57873047 +I was thinking the same thing but Pence doesn't strike me as an american coon name diff --git a/k/57868019.txt b/k/57868019.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..35c55d44fd3796d9fc6ad36ed842472f16abdfba --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57868019.txt @@ -0,0 +1,201 @@ +----- +--- 57868019 +tactical gear thread. post gear discuss gear +Old >>57814144 → +--- 57868026 +>>57868019 (OP) +--- 57868040 +i need recommendations for a good dump pouch +--- 57868076 +>>57868040 +Defense Mechanisms Dump Pouch v2, easy. +It's just the most practical. +--- 57868108 +>>57865738 → # + +>for bag anon from last thread + +ok thanks, i got a 6500 made in the Us i just got, had an ILBE previously, this pack is comfortable as fuck, plus I really like the design of the pockets. + +now I'd like to buy a smaller one for shorter/hotter climate hikes, so I'm thinking komodo dragon as it's a bit bigger than the 3dap but I can just fill it less and sinch it down if needed. + +I found some on fb for 300/350 but the sellers seemed fishy so I didn't buy them, also found one from a legit guy but havent bought it bc it's made in Vietnam and idk I'm probably brainwashed by muh marketing +--- 57868114 +>>57868108 +also, my 6500 is from 2009 and has internal frame, is there much of a difference with the new one that has the external NICE frame? +I know the new one has the waterproof zippers, side zippers on the main body instead of central, plastic removable bvs instead of the fixed one and idk what else +--- 57868804 +... Sleight had arranged for us to have a look at a garment prototype. We'd picked up interesting industry buzz about it, though when we got the photos and tracings, really, we couldn't see why. Our best analyst thinks it's not a tactical design. Something for mall ninjas." +"For what?" +"The new Mitty demographic." +"I'm lost." +"Young men who dress to feel they'll be mistaken for having special capability. A species of cosplay, really. Endemic. Lots of boys are playing soldier now. The men who run the world aren't, and neither are the boys most effectively bent on running it next. Or the ones who're actually having to be soldiers, of course. But many of the rest have gone gear-queer, to one extent or another." +"'Gear-queer'?" +Bigend's teeth showed. "We had a team of cultural anthropologists interview American soldiers returning from Iraq. That's where we first heard it. It's not wholly derogatory, mind you. There are actual professionals who genuinely require these things---some of them, anyway. Though they generally seem to be far less fascinated with them. But it's that fascination that interests us, of course." +"It is?" +--- 57868816 +>>57868804 +"It's an obsession with the idea not just of the right stuff, but of the special stuff. Equipment fetishism. The costume and semiotics of achingly elite police and military units. Intense desire to possess same, of course, and in turn be associated with that world. With its competence, its cocksure exclusivity." +"Sounds like fashion, to me." +"Exactly. Pants, but only just the right ones. We could never have engineered so powerful a locus of consumer desire. It's like sex in a bottle." +"Not for me." +"You're female." +"They want to be soldiers?" +"Not to be. To self-identify as. However secretly. To imagine they may be mistaken for, or at least associated with. Virtually none of these products will ever be used for anything remotely like what they were designed for. Of course that's true of most of the contents of your traditional army-navy store. Whole universes of wistful male fantasy in those places. But the level of consumer motivation we're seeing, the fact that these are often what amount to luxury goods, and priced accordingly. That's new. + +- William Gibson, Zero History (2010) +--- 57868898 +>>57868816 +Gibson would know. He's been working on fancy military-reproduction outerwear with a Japanese company for years. +Here's the "William Gibson Collection": +https://www.buzzricksons.jp/tag/william-gibson-collection/ +Basically, he writes what he knows. He IS a gear queer. +--- 57868911 +"South Dakota governor says 2-year-old granddaughter has several guns" +--- 57868926 +>>57868816 +>>57868898 +> Complains about "gear queers." +> Sells military reproduction pants to thousand-folded weebs for $250/ea. +Many such cases. +--- 57868931 +>>57868040 +https://www.optactical.com/dupoevba.html +https://www.kinetic-consulting.net/product-page/the-mini-dump-pouch +--- 57868932 +>>57868911 +Democratic politics was a mistake. +It's a Red Queen race of retarded and clownish signaling. +--- 57868943 +>>57868931 +> https://www.optactical.com/dupoevba.html +lmao at "helium whisper." +...like, the Chipmunks? What retard named that shit? +--- 57869531 +Am I doing it, right, /K/? I want to erase the image of incompetent Indians. +--- 57870133 +>>>Do they not come with a cover for that? I'd email them and ask. Beez is also pretty receptive to customizing stuff, so even if a cover doesn't come standard, they might make one for you. + +>Alternatively, ask them what the dimensions of that back facing hook is. HRT and Haley sell comfy backers for chest rigs in different sizes. + +>https://hrttacticalgear.com/product/hrt-air-pass-backer/ +>https://haleystrategic.com/shop/soft-goods/chestrigs/d3cr-chest-rig-pad-small +>https://haleystrategic.com/shop/soft-goods/chestrigs/d3cr-chest-rig-pad-large + +Hey anon thanks for this helpful reply. I actually hadn't seen that Haley offered replacements, that would probably solve it. The people at Beez were really nice but the exchange was pretty awkward lmao + +>hi, Do you include/offer/know where I could source an appropriately sized loop velcro backer for your sidewing products, specifically the Haley sized ones? +>thanks, anon + +>"hi anon, +>It should be on the back of the Haley rig." + +>I'm actually not using a Haley rig- I'm using a placard from Defense Mechanisms which is similarly sized but does not include a velcro backer panel. So your expander should be compatible, but I'd need to source a velcro cover. + +>"What did Defense Mechanisms say?" + +>??? + +I'm kind of cash strapped back in school ATM so after rethinking my priorities I'm going to probably keep my micro rig micro for the time being and build or buy something more expansive later. I've also gotten kind of out of shape being so busy so I'm not doing any LRRPs until I unfuck my conditioning anyway. +--- 57870759 +I just bought what I am fairly certain is a pair of Ceradyne MH3s manufactured for british police for 400bux. Will report back with measurements when they get to me. +--- 57870799 +>>57870759 +I should follow up by saying the only concern I have is that "manufactured to RF1 protection level" since it is way fucking weaker than the MH3s native protection. The seller weighed them and they weigh about 4.4lbs, so within tolerances for normal MH3. My hunch is Ceradyne/Paraclete just stuck a different label on the back. +--- 57870891 +I’m just hearing about caiman helmets. What’s the deal with them? Their bump seems expensive. +--- 57871410 +>>57868019 (OP) +>Dick Kramer +--- 57871622 +Lads +I need recommendations for a new chest rig. +I'm sick of how fucking bulky my haley rig is for only holding 3 mags. But no option seems decent. + +I've been looking at the velocity 556 hybrid but I hate the 3 smaller gp pouches. Spiritussy has zero options that aren't retarded or just fucking molle that I'll have to spend $800 for separate pouches. Same with parashooter gear. Onward rig doesn't have enough molle on the sides for real pouches and 4 massive loose ass mag pouches seem floppy and gay. Pattern 83/84 is based but multicam isn't good for my area and that's the only option plus again I hate the floppy loose mag pouches. + +Maybe I'm a picky bitch but I love the kydex retention for reindexing, I need to carry comms, medical, 3-6 mags, and enough for a leatherman, hexkey set, map, and compass. Molle to add nalgene would be nice but not necessary. As flat as possible so prone doesn't give me scoliosis but not the fucking insane urban sprawl that puts my gp in my armpits to the point where wearing a ruck give me autism. +--- 57871715 +>>57871622 +>I've been looking at the velocity 556 hybrid but I hate the 3 smaller gp pouches. Spiritussy has zero options that aren't retarded or just fucking molle that I'll have to spend $800 for separate pouches. Same with parashooter gear. Onward rig doesn't have enough molle on the sides for real pouches and 4 massive loose ass mag pouches seem floppy and gay. Pattern 83/84 is based but multicam isn't good for my area and that's the only option plus again I hate the floppy loose mag pouches. +That's all overpriced hypefaggot shit anyway. Unironically, if krydex has the features you want then go for it. Don't worry about what lardass larpers on the internet think about your brand choice. I've been looking at the helikon chest rigs myself. +--- 57871896 +Do any of you carry a blowout pouch on you daily? Where do you put it? +--- 57871904 +>>57871715 +Fair point but idk what companies have kydex inserts besides haley and that's what im trying to replace because of the bulk from the gp pouch. +I could spend a billion dollars by jerryrigging an esstac placard on some kind of molle modular. +--- 57871921 +>>57871896 +I keep it in the outer pouch of my backpack. I leave in the the pouch instead of the pocket so I can just pull it out and throw it in whatever bag I'm using if I'm hiking or throw it on my belt at the range etc. +--- 57871951 +>>57870891 +>I’m just hearing about caiman helmets +They used to go by Revision, they make decent ballistic helmets +>Their bump seems expensive. +Making "people" pay a retard tax for glorified bike helmet, pretty sweet company desu +--- 57871958 +Im an absolute virgin in these threads, but do they make a chest rig with 9milli MP5 mag hosters as their primary(front)? What about pistol mag rigs on top of plates? +--- 57871966 +>>57868049 +Why is so much gear – not just bags, but garments etc – even made by reputable, professional targeting companies not IR compliant? + +>>57871896 +Fanny pack, cargo pocket on pants or jacket, whatever works that day, but legit don't leave the house without it. +--- 57872631 +>>57871622 +>>57871904 +The problem with chest rigs that are one-and-done pre-made rigs is that eventually you end up finding something about the layout or design of the pouches to dislike. Too bulky, or some of them aren't where you'd like them to be. + +Really, buying an expander wing system and then plopping a placard you like on the expander is pretty much the way to go if you want complete control over the layout. But, like you said, this ends up being more expensive. + +It sounds like you'd want something like the Spiritus MKV that you can get something like Lunar Concepts' tegris mag inserts into, and then put that on a Beez sidewing sytem. + +>https://www.spiritussystems.com/micro-fight-chassis-mkv/ +>https://wisemencompany.com/tricert-short-hook-hook/ +>https://www.beezcombatsystems.com/collections/sidewings + +But yeah, those 3 items alone would be like $160-$170 depending on which sidewing size you decided on. That's already the price of the Haley micro rig. +--- 57872744 +>>57871958 +There are dedicated chest rigs for 9mm mags as well as chest rig chassis systems that accept 9mm inserts or placards. + +Off the top of my head, Unobtanium Gear makes a couple one-and-done 9mm rigs: +>https://unobtainiumgear.com/products/drip-9 +>https://unobtainiumgear.com/products/dr-9 + +Defense Mechanisms has a dedicated 9mm base placard for their chest rig / plate carrier placard system: +>https://defensemechanisms.com/smg-mag-placard-v2/ + +Spiritus offers 9mm inserts for their Mk4 and Mk5 chest rig chassis systems: +>https://www.spiritussystems.com/submachine-gun-magazine-insert/ + +Esstac actually offers a specific MP5 placard: +https://esstac.com/mp5-daeodon-front-panel/ +--- 57872872 +>>57868040 +Coyote SSE stats open well +Issued LBT or Eagle RIF dumps are huge +I have a Raine that I like that’s light but not BFG light +>>57871622 +Mayflower UW with mp2 inserts +>>57871715 +Kill yourself +>>57871896 +I unironically have an ankle ifak for work but I carry a flat folded SOFTW always +--- 57872887 +>>57871966 +What are you thinking of in particular? +--- 57873006 +>>57871622 +I’m a big fan of the crye airlite chest rig. Tbh the harness is my favorite part of it. +--- 57873069 +>>57871966 +IR compliance simply isn't a priority for most gear companies. A lot of issued stuff still isn't IR compliant. Companies that ensure their stuff is IR compliant will let you know. Everyone else's stuff will be a mixed bag depending on dyes used. You'll see the same piece of gear from a company in 2 different colors show up differently under IR. The wolf grey won't glow but the ranger green will look like someone dumped glowstick fluid all over it. + +A lot of guys don't have NODs to see what their gear looks like under IR. Paranoia around glowing will eventually result in dudes just spray painting all their shit just to be sure. +--- 57873221 +>>57873069 +>IR compliance simply isn't a priority for most gear companies. + +That's what I'm asking – why isn't it? It makes perfect sense that some bullshit airsoft brand, OneTigris or something, wouldn't care, but why would e.g. does Tasmanian Tiger only make a selection of their products in one colorway (and probably Multicam but I don't think they list that) with low reflectivity fabric even though there's tons of coyote/black/ranger/etc low reflectivity Cordura in the supply chain? diff --git a/k/57868061.txt b/k/57868061.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..535c9a84b32769c377e7f4a7f9e4b4b47ac639ce --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57868061.txt @@ -0,0 +1,237 @@ +----- +--- 57868061 +>Gen. Richard G. Moore, deputy chief of staff for plans and programs, told the HASC tactical aviation panel. They are also no longer competitive with China’s best stealth fighters, he said. “Upgrading the Block 20s to a combat configuration is cost-prohibitive and very time intensive,” Moore testified. “Based on the most advanced weapons that an F-22 Block 20 can carry now, it is not competitive with the [Shenyang] J-20, with the most advanced weapons the Chinese can put on it.” + +is our girl obsolete now? +--- 57868106 +funny how all the china stronk posting happens overnight for the usa +>our +youre not white +--- 57868207 +>gib more moni +--- 57868222 +>$9B +sounds....cheap? +--- 57868232 +Yes, the US military is in disarray and the PLA is quantum leap ahead. They should invada Taiwan now before the US realizes how hopeless the struggle is and destroys the chip fabs to deny them to the rising dragon. +--- 57868251 +do you think chinese are aware their government censors everything or are they blissfully ignorant in their smoggy utopia +--- 57868256 +>>57868251 +they're aware, and they don't care. +--- 57868290 +>no EO/IRST for detecting VLO targets +>Shorter range missiles +>No HOBS capability +>over twice as expensive to operate as an F-35 +>Proprietary orphan data sharing system. +>Crappy range on internal fuel for such a large aircraft + +Glad to see ignorant F-22 fans finally get their just desserts. +--- 57868819 +>>57868061 (OP) +Govt won't give you 10 billion of you tell them the j20 is a piece of shit. +--- 57868854 +>>57868061 (OP) +>"Oh no! Better just retire it and spend 10x as much on goyslop instead!" +>enter F-36 (this time with 36% more fraud!) +--- 57868893 +>>57868061 (OP) +>"Cost at least 9 billion" +>Acting like that's a lot +I hate Journalists so fucking much +--- 57868997 +>>57868290 +The F-35 wouldn't be so good if it weren't for the mistakes learned from the F-22. Respect your elders. +--- 57869042 +>>57868997 +Not to mention the F-35 r&d budget was laughably grotesque. +>money printer go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr +--- 57869065 +>>57868061 (OP) +literally +>appear weak when you are strong +--- 57869069 +>>57868893 +>Acting like that's a lot + +ok, anon. since it isn't a lot, then wire the air force the $9 billion from your bank account +--- 57869070 +>>57869065 +I don't understand how people don't get this. +--- 57869114 +>>57869069 +The airforce spends that much on paint. +Go be dumb somewhere else. +--- 57869278 +The US needs to have more than just systems parity with the PLAAF if they want to deny Chinese air superiority around the SCS. +The tyranny of distance and the vulnerability of local bases will impose a serious handicap on USAF forces in theatre. + +If the US ignores this it will be at their peril. +--- 57869304 +>>57869042 +That is if all that money actually went into the F-35 and wasn't directed into black projects. +--- 57869316 +>>57868061 (OP) +>please continue to fund our 6th gen programs and start thinking about 7th gen +--- 57869320 +>>57868222 +People who read these articles usually have zero idea about actual state budgets and the scales at which they operate. +--- 57869487 +>>57868061 (OP) +Common PL-15 W +--- 57869495 +>>57868061 (OP) +Not surprising given how old the platform is +It's time for either a superaptor or a graceful exit now that the F35 has hit the streets in serious numbers +--- 57869500 +>>57868290 +This. They built a 'smart' plane at a time software wasn't ready for 'smart' integration. So any upgrade has to be manually coded, then individually tested, into every one of the existing combat data software modules. It's a massive, time-and-money-consuming, bitch to deal with. +The F-35, by contrast, has a lot of upgrade capacity. It stands to reason they'd pick the system more likely to get better faster/easier in the future. +--- 57869525 +>9B + +Are you sure that's enough? How about 14B just in case? Here's the 18B you asked for. + +>check is for 20B + tip +--- 57869527 +>>57868061 (OP) +I'm agree with Moore, the F-22 is 80-90s tech, obsolete. It's time for a new 6th gen fighter to laughs at chinks plastic. +--- 57869539 +China's aircraft are a generation ahead at this point, lots of catching up needed if the US wants to stay in the game. +--- 57869813 +>>57869539 +Implessive +--- 57869836 +>>57868222 +>>$9B +>sounds....cheap? +Trips of truth, that's the exact same thought I had. We have like 180 of them in service iirc, so that'd be around $50m per jet over the rest of the decade. That frankly sounds extremely reasonable for normal block upgrades on a high performance aircraft? NGAD is still quite a ways off. +--- 57869849 +>>57869539 +Chinese fighter jet turbines are shit. Not even memeing, they have slowly been improving, but despite tons of IP theft and getting Russian engines to try to reverse engineer the performance is still abysmal. I'm sure they'll get there in the end, but jet engines are really, REALLY hard. And US is not sitting still at all. +--- 57869878 +>>57868061 (OP) +F22 will hold the A2A supremacy title long enough for NGAD to get here. F35 is a better bomb/missile truck anyways and with awacs/buddy handoff the capabilities of the F22 are less crucial. Every F22 could get deadlined right now and we'd have more than enough F15s to fill the role. +--- 57869999 +>>57869878 +>Every F22 could get deadlined right now and we'd have more than enough F15s to fill the role. +Nah, if we actually seriously did need to fight China this decade I'd rather have all the F22s upgraded as best we can, F15 was a hell of plane but vs a peer enemy no amount of upgrades are going to give it as much juice as the same upgrades applied to F22s at this point. If it's only $50m per jet per the article that'd be plenty worth it given the situation. It'd all matter. Assuming NGAD actually ramps like they were going to do with the F22 before the GWOT fucked everything then sure, it can be retired after that. But it's very conceivable that China actually goes to war before NGAD even starts mass production. +--- 57870028 +>>57868222 +>>57869320 +>>57869836 +It's 9b just for the upgrade, not including the operational cost. That's 50 million per, plus downtime. Given that it's expected to serve about another 15 years, that's another 3 million a year per airframe. +--- 57870032 +>>57869999 +You're not considering that F 22s already have more than half their airframe lifespan behind them. F 22s will almost definitely not ever go anywhere near China because they are huge hangar queens. +--- 57870055 +>>57868061 (OP) +>not competitive with the j20 + +there is no way any american truly knows what the j20 can really do. all we know for sure is that it definitely does not meet the standards of the f22. + +general moore is just being a shill for more money and prepping himself for a new job at lockheed or some other defense company. +--- 57870087 +>>57868061 (OP) + +>US Chairforce General takes Chink brochure on J-20, already maxxed stats +>compares to chink shill boasting, marks up numbers even more +>all the while thinking, how can we get money off of this +>war starts, 30 year-old F-22 disappointingly overmatched again, just like 30-year old Javelin, HIMARs and Bradleys +>but still, the money +--- 57870110 +>>57869999 + +the majority of their planes are SU-27 derivatives, whatever the hell J-10 is derivative of, and Mig-21s deriviatives. + +the J-20, 100+? Isn't the 1000+ F-35s enough???? +--- 57870156 +>>57870110 +The USAF considers any fight where they don't have an absolutely hilarious overmatch to be a failure. +--- 57870252 +>>57868061 (OP) +>Block 20 +It's 32 Block 20 F-22's that are early production models that the AF decided not to upgrade to Block 30/35 Increment 3.2b's. Also, this is all predicated on the J-20 actually being able to detect the F-22 at a range those supa-missires would be an advantage, and China not over inflating the capabilities of the J-20 and its weapons. Based on the CCP being caught lying about literally every other metric they release, I doubt their claims until proven otherwise by actual HD test video and reports released. +--- 57870269 +>>57869042 +>>57869304 +Let's be fair here, the F35's massive budget was purely a result to try and leapfrog the F-22 and B-2 into the F-35 and B-21, and subsequent 6th gen fighters into existence. +If I remember, NGAD development timeline is looking like it's relatively quick as a result. +--- 57870281 +>>57870269 +Also the B-21 came out ahead of schedule too, as a result. +--- 57870286 +>>57869999 +>If it's only $50m per jet +The impression I got was 9B per jet but maybe I was reading it wrong +sick quads beeteedubs +--- 57870354 +>>57870269 +>>57869304 +>>57869042 +The F35's R&D budget isn't so bad when you remember the unique way that it's literally three different planes + +>New F-16 +>New Harrier +>New F/A-18 + +Having them all as one "unified" platform with shared electronics and maybe 70% part compatibility probably was in fact a cost savings compared to inventing three new whole ass planes +--- 57870364 +>>57870110 +>whatever the hell J-10 is derivative of +Israeli IAI Lavi that was to be a replacement for their F-16s. The chinsects bought the data and expertise from Israel, and had to lengthen the design due to using a Russian engine that had to be much longer than the American P&W engine the Lavi was built for to produce the same amount of thrust. Chinsects will REE and deny this, but, it's a known fact China bought the design from Israel. Also, the JF-17 is based on the Grumman Super 7 the US was helping China design. +--- 57870430 +>>57870354 +Aptly said +It also simplifies logistics for all of them, once the research hurdle is passed the only real cost is the maintenance and production + weapon production. All of which will become cheaper when economy of scale is taken into account, which is helped by all of them being variants of eachother. +--- 57870464 +>>57870286 +It's $9 billion for all the planned upgrades from 2018-2028 to 148 F-22s if Congress allows the AF to retire 32 Block 20 F-22s from the first production run of F-22s. It comes out to ~$100 million per airframe for planned upgrades and testing. + +https://www.airandspaceforces.com/f-22-credible-9-billion-air-force/ +--- 57870531 +>>57870087 +> J-20, already maxxed stats +Because a full spec J-20 with WS-15 and modernized avionics is the most probable enemy for a late F-22. + +The F-22 is good now, but its ARH missiles (limited by bays as stealth pods don't seem to be that useful) are simply inferior to J-20's PL-15 and upgrades, the RAM is fundamentally flawed compared to new tech and the engines are already old even compared to the F-35, the new engines in development are better. Besides that it isn't useful as a pair for the B-21 and with worse range and payload (internal and barely better external) than the lighter F-35. +The F-22 is a 1st gen stealth fighter not longer in production that was limited and with a lot of early mistakes, it's not worth to spend more money in it instead it's successor. The Raptor is a niche fighter developed in a pre-stealth enemies. It's getting old for its role in the same ways as the F-117 was obsolete in less than 30 years. + +And of course, ignoring the probably too high attrition rate for a small and not longer in production plane. If the development of a successor for the F-22 is like the B-21, then that money would be wasted in a late F-22. +--- 57870535 +>>57868061 (OP) +every time I see a headline that goes "CHINA STRONG, USA WEAK, NEED MONEY" I just replace the words with "BUY WAR BONDS" and nothing changes +--- 57870548 +>>57870464 +>upgrade 148 F-22s +OR +>flyaway cost of an F-35A is ~90M USD +>buy 148 more F-35As with money to spare +--- 57870720 +>>57868256 +>they're aware, and they don't care. +They are not. They are quasi retarded. Try walking behind thema nd listening in an Euro city. They are too fucking stupid to even imagine that white people can understand them. The men spend 50% of their time mouthing off about how they are going to win their war against the west and complaining. All he time while here as asylum seekers. The women just want white cock. The mainland communist Chinese are some of the most retarded brainlets out there. Imagine every possible parody of Americasn being dumb and utterly retarded about anything foreign and make it for real and you have china. They cheat and lie by habit. Anyone who thinks the Chinese IQ tests results they publish are real should go and try and teach them they can't even try and study something without cheating the best answer I got when I caught one doing it blatantly was "It is just what we do. This is how it is in China.". The same student then tried to complain about me being racist. +--- 57870767 +>>57870364 +> Also, the JF-17 is based on the Grumman Super 7 the US was helping China design. +That was in essence an facelift of the MiG-21 (like the MIG23) but chinks scarped all except for the nose (probably modified too). Everything else, engines-FADECs (smoking RD-93), avionics (west shit tier replaced with even shittier chink), armament, and now fly by wire, inlets, were replaced by chink-russian equivalents. +--- 57870864 +>>57870269 +>>57870354 +the whole point of the F-35 was to get US allies to finance our 6th gen R&D. Allies get a decent 5th gen fighter, all the best stuff is kept by the US for the 6th gen fighter. One of the biggest cuckings in history for our allies +--- 57870870 +>>57870548 +>can't destroy fearsome Chinese air balloons +you fool, the continental US would be defenseless if we only had F-35s +--- 57871396 +>>57870720 +>"It is just what we do. This is how it is in China." +That's because Chinese society is an insane turbocharged version of the rat race. If you fail even once you're fucked, there are no second chances. You'll end up in a shit dead-end job, treated about as well as US factory-farm cattle. And failure can fuck up not just you, but your entire family as well. And I'm not even touching on the de facto caste system implemented by the city tier regulations. +--- 57871406 +>>57870354 +The best part is that if you inflation adjust the cost of those older development programs, the F-35 basically only cost as much as the hornet to R&D, meaning we effectively got the harrier and F-16 replacements designed for free. +--- 57872390 +>>57870531 +>AMRAAM "simply inferior" +Isn't that what the AIM-260 is supposed to solve? diff --git a/k/57868262.txt b/k/57868262.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..17f92ad72a55ffdbb7732bead335df891187fda8 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57868262.txt @@ -0,0 +1,67 @@ +----- +--- 57868262 +what do $13.00 cost per round shells do that cheap ammo cant do +--- 57868284 +>>57868262 (OP) +scam retards out of their money +--- 57868299 +>>57868262 (OP) +It's cheaper to buy a turkey in the store than shoot that shit lol. +--- 57868330 +>>57868262 (OP) +>tungsten +Idk probably be made out of expensive tungsten. + +Kill yourself, nice thread btw +--- 57868372 +>>57868330 +but its Super(tm) Shot tungsten +--- 57868532 +>>57868262 (OP) +>what do $13.00 cost per round shells do that cheap ammo cant do +It's expensive because working with tungsten is expensive. As for what it does, I guess if you're both serious about lead free (which is perfectly reasonable), but also much more strangely don't want to use copper or steel for whatever reason, then tungsten is certainly going to perform well and be safe. I guess technically given it's so dense it might have mildly better characteristics in flight than steel but doubt it's enough to make the slightest real world difference. + +So it's meme ammo yet not inflated if that makes any sense? Same as if they sold turkey shot made out of fucking platinum or something for like $1000/round (or whatever that much platinum costs). They could be making 2% profit margin but it'd still be retarded. +--- 57868863 +Kill turkeys at long range reliably +--- 57869211 +>>57868262 (OP) +let's you get away with smaller shot and a higher shot density, gives more reliable kills. The fact remains that it is way too expensive to be worth shooting a turkey with, but tungsten home defense rounds should be the new meta. For lead-free, Bismuth is the way to go. +--- 57869300 +>>57868262 (OP) +>cheap can't do +Slowly burn holes in your waller per shot. +--- 57869384 +>>57869211 +OK so first just to get it out of the way: OP IS A FAGGOT. Tungsten costs more but it doesn't cost THAT much more, there's tons of brands that are around the 200cpr mark, not 1300cpr. Good old hevishot waterfowl for example can be had for around 190cpr no problem. Obviously that's still a premium but it's not ludicrous. +>For lead-free, Bismuth is the way to go. +I've never seen the slightest reason to use it vs steel or tungsten. For very reasonable lead free usage, steel performs fine and is 4x cheaper than bismuth, can get it for ~35cpr. Hell even copper is half the price. For fancy, I haven't seen any bismuth in a long time for less than 130-140cpr. If you're already paying that much for a specific hunting load might as well just go to 200cpr and get tungsten. +>but tungsten home defense rounds should be the new meta +Does tungsten 00 buck even exist? Because while sure in theory it might be interesting, birdshot is shitty for any large animals including obviously humans no matter what metal you're making it out of. + +Actually now that I think about it does that somehow fall under the GCA bullshit? Because it's actually kinda weird that from a quick look I can't see any tungsten 0 gauge or slugs at all, surely SOMEBODY would make it as meme defense ammo if nothing else. Does the ATF claim it's "armor piercing" at those sizes despite that being retarded? +--- 57871033 +can confirm op is faggot its me +--- 57871114 +>>57868532 +>but doubt it's enough to make the slightest real world difference. +You doubt wrong. Shotgunners hate steel shot because it's less dense than lead and thus it doesn't retain energy as well. So, when the law says you can't use lead your choices are either cheap-but-shitty steel shot, or expensive but very good performing denser alternatives, like tungsten or bismuth based shot. +--- 57871166 +>>57868262 (OP) +In this case, it lets you get a killing hit on the bird with shot much further than with steel or lead, which would have dispersed and dropped much faster. +Still a scam, of course. Just don’t be such a ducking newb that you need those extra 30 feet to not spook the turkeys. +--- 57871953 +>>57868262 (OP) +>enviroshield +>on a shot made to kill turkeys +lmao +--- 57872371 +>>57871166 +>ducking +phone fag and worse you have auto correct on +--- 57872455 +>>57868262 (OP) +It’s called golden turkey because it’s that company’s golden goose and the people who buy it are turkeys. +--- 57872532 +>>57872371 +Not that anon, but autocorrect and autocomplete can be rather convenient. diff --git a/k/57868402.txt b/k/57868402.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..92a6ebffd3155c2edd627b96b639b48f1cc31ffe --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57868402.txt @@ -0,0 +1,256 @@ +----- +--- 57868402 +Post weapons designed by insane people + +Pic related: British Blowpipe MANPADS, fires a MANUALLY GUIDED missile that you have to fly to target with a fucking joystick. +--- 57868408 +>>57868402 (OP) +Skill issue +--- 57868419 +Japanese "Lunge Mine", basically an anti-tank spear that blows up the user along with the target +--- 57868422 +>>57868402 (OP) +Keeping on the British theme I have to go with a classic +--- 57868439 +Turkish "Kırıkkale" in .32ACP, barrel is made by cutting up Mauser mod.1903 barrels. One Mauser barrel is turned into four Kırıkkale barrels. +--- 57868442 +>>57868402 (OP) +>"What were they thinking?" +>>57868422 + +They are thinking "warriortard made another one of his shitty threads". +--- 57868468 +>>57868442 +Manual guided MANPADS. Unstabilized gun on an IFV that feeds from a 3 round clip. These are both bad designs. +--- 57868477 +“Thomas” in .45ACP. Opening of the slide is delayed by the grip safety, effectively making this a “User’s palm-delayed blowback” +--- 57868480 +>>57868468 +Yep, it's a warriortard thread. +--- 57868496 +>>57868480 +Those are just facts you seem to want to not discuss. The funny thing is that the warrior is still britains IFV. It hasn’t been replaced yet +--- 57868506 +>>57868496 +Yes, it's a fact that this is a warriortard thread. +--- 57868513 +>>57868496 +nigga what do they need a good IFV for anyway? They’re guaranteed protection from the US. +--- 57868528 +The Russian carousel autoloader, making T-72 the winner of the Turret-Throw Olympics. +--- 57868553 +>>57868419 +I mean is it that crazy? Plenty of countries used magnetic AT mines/grenades you had to place on the tank. With the way Japanese valued the lives of their men is this really that bad of an idea comparably? +--- 57868555 +>>57868496 +Yeah its an outdated wagon +Name a better, combat proven IFV besides the Bradley +--- 57868556 +German Stielgranate 41 for their 37mm anti-tank gun, basically a giant rifle grenade. +--- 57868589 +>>57868555 +CV-90 +--- 57868611 +>>57868556 +this one isnt 100% a bad idea +the 37mm was called a door-knocker since it was near-useless against the british matilda and T-34 + +while its a one-shot attack that you cant really reload in combat, the 37mm was pretty useless by 1945 and being able to trade a 37mm for even a single enemy T-34 is a good trade as long as the crew manages to bail after firing the gun +--- 57868624 +>>57868496 +>Those are just facts you seem to want to not discuss. + +>Starts thread about weapon design +>Points towards British weapon design +>Bumps up thread with Warrior IFV +>Start screaming about Warrior IFV + +Yep, it's a warriortard thread. +--- 57868658 +>>57868618 +>First cruise missile ever +>Bad + +No +--- 57868669 +>>57868658 +it's not a V-1 +--- 57868671 +>>57868658 +You missd the pilot cabin.. +--- 57868733 +>>57868624 +Not wanting to hear about the warrior won’t make its flaws away. +--- 57868748 +>>57868419 +I suppose the theory is that losing 1 man to take out 1 sherman is a good trade +of course in reality getting a guy right up close like that is tough in most circumstances +--- 57868751 +>>57868733 +Not wanting to hear you have mental problems and an obsessive tick is not going to make it go away. +--- 57868756 +>>57868402 (OP) +the ultimate piece of shit meme luftwaffe plane +--- 57868762 +>>57868751 +>pls stop discussing this +kek no +--- 57868781 +>>57868402 (OP) +>"What were they thinking?" + +thinking about TV loicenses +--- 57868784 +>>57868762 +Did you at least figure out what triggers your obsessive tick or is it a constant urge? Mental health is important. +--- 57868795 +>>57868756 +>literally have to blow up the back half of the plane to try and get the pilot out alive + +The Germans did make some definite turds on their road to greatness. +--- 57868844 +>>57868751 +I'm starting to think warriortard is sexually attracted to the Warrior IFV +--- 57868858 +>>57868844 +Obsolescence at release is his fetish +--- 57868881 +>>57868844 +At this moment a Warrior is probably banging his dear mother in the very next room. The walls are very thin, he can hear everything, even the reloading to prepare for round 2. +--- 57868891 +>>57868881 +The three pump chump +--- 57868929 +>>57868891 +And a bit later they are all gonna sit in the kitchen, he nibbles on his chicken nuggets, his mother still has this happy 1,000 yard fucked-into-another-dimension stare on her face and hasn't managed to fix her clothes, while the Warrior has a chad grin on his face and sips tea while eyefucking him. They both know what just happen and all he can do is nimble a bit more on his chicken nuggets. +--- 57868976 +>>57868477 +excuse me what? +--- 57869066 +>>57868402 (OP) +fuck off warriortard +--- 57869104 +>>57868402 (OP) +That almost sounds worse than the M47 Dragon. + +>>57868419 +That one is obvious what the line of thought is; make an attempt with your own life to strike a blow against a US tank. Very honorabu. +--- 57869137 +>>57869104 +Wow, that's a lot of words about a conventional SACLOS launcher, trying to make it appear to be something unusual. +--- 57869149 +>>57868439 +That's just recycling. + +>>57868422 +Oh, it's you again. + +>>57868556 +That one makes a lot of sense, with the 37mm shells themselves no longer denting tanks, they get the notion to use giant 37mm blank shells to launch gargantuan fucking grenades, which WILL. It's a lot like that Panzerbüchse thing, can't cut it for armor, but hey, that case would fit a LOT of propellant which you could use to propel a pretty damn fat grenade, that adapted 37mm cannon there is just that same idea but supersized. + +>>57868976 +It's real, there's a ForgottenWeapons video about it if you wanna see it in further detail. Basically you gripping the 'safety' on the back of the grip motivates the delay mechanism of the action. This works, but there's drawbacks. +--- 57869158 +>>57869137 +It's not so much that it's SACLOS, it's that it's an ungainly piece of shit which was widely disliked by everyone because it was difficult to score a hit with when you finally had to deploy it. +--- 57869192 +>AA glide bomb/slow rocket for bomber formations +>acoustic fuse +>giant shrapnel load +>used against ground targets lmao +--- 57869235 +>Unlike standard propellers that turn at subsonic speeds, the outer 24–30 inches (61–76 cm) of the blades on the XF-84H's propeller traveled faster than the speed of sound even at idle thrust, producing a continuous visible sonic boom that radiated laterally from the propellers for hundreds of yards. The shock wave was actually powerful enough to knock a man down; an unfortunate crew chief who was inside a nearby C-47 was severely incapacitated during a 30-minute ground run. Coupled with the already considerable noise from the subsonic aspect of the propeller and the T40's dual turbine sections, the aircraft was notorious for inducing severe nausea and headaches among ground crews. In one report, a Republic engineer suffered a seizure after close range exposure to the shock waves emanating from a powered-up XF-84H. +--- 57869239 +>>57868402 (OP) + +>fire Blowpipe at enemy jets +>it conveniently hits Bojo's house instead +--- 57869248 +>>57868419 + +Did they ever consider just making the pole longer so that it wouldn't kill the user? +--- 57869512 +>>57868618 +>even even suicide rockets have better canopies than 109s +Messerschmitt? More like Lessershit lmao +--- 57869654 +Soviet Baltiets pistol. Made in Leningrad during the siege. +It's a Walther PP clone, so straight blowback. +The lunatics chambered it for 7.62Tokarev.... +--- 57869830 +>>57869654 +Based +--- 57869869 +>>57868671 +that's not a pilot, it's a "biological guidance system" +--- 57870075 +>>57869830 +They tried to have it adopted by the red army. +During testing it proved more accurate than the TT-33, and more reliable in extreme cold. The army liked the DA/SA trigger too, but the pistol had an extremely snappy recoil, and thus was considered unsuitable as a replacement for the TT. +--- 57870242 +>>57868402 (OP) +--- 57870265 +>>57868528 +actually a smart design, if an explosion wouldn't vent into the fighting compartement +--- 57870268 +>>57869654 +>7.62x25mm in straight blowback is insane +The 20mm Oerlikon AA gun was straight blowback, open-bolt. Basically a giant TEC-9 +--- 57870328 +>>57870268 +>the suicide plane fears the flakniggaz +--- 57870435 +>>57870268 +Kind of, but not really. The issue isn't that 7.62tok would be too powerful for straight blowback. +The issue is that a bunch of retards took e .32ACP pistol, extended it slightly, and shoehorned 7.62tok into it. +So the extraction pressure and slide velocity will be waaaay to fucking high because the slide is too light. +The Baltiets is liable to bluge the fuck out of cartridge cases, blow out the sides of some cases, blow out primers, and the high slide velocity will cause the pistol to beat itself to death. + +The Oreikon is different. Both the guns, and the funky rebated rim ammo is expressly designed to work with the funky Advanced Primer Ignition system which fires the rounds before they're even fully chambered. These guns also have monstrously heavy bolts, and beastly recoil springs which so a winch mechanism is required to even cock the gun. +--- 57870446 +>>57870328 +We wus flak gunners'n'sheit! +--- 57870462 +>>57870328 +>Be Navy General in WW2 +>Recruit joggers +>Issue fuckheug Tec-9 +The navy knew what weapons they would be proficient with and acted accordingly. How Woke and progressive. +--- 57870494 +>>57870446 +>Tyrese, give these niggas a volley +--- 57870737 +>>57869654 +You can do 9mm Luger, 7.62mm Tokarev, .45 Auto, 10mm Auto, .40 S&W, etc, as blowback, the gun is just gonna be heavier and have more recoil. +--- 57870791 +>>57870737 +Yes, and this one clearly doesn't have a significantly heavier slide than the .32acp pistol it's based on. +--- 57870805 +>>57870791 +It's a good bit larger than a Walther PP +--- 57870833 +>>57870805 +Yes it's a bit larger but it's not enough. It would still need a slide of hi-point proportions to be desgined "correctly" as a straight blowback 7.62x25. +--- 57870883 +>>57870833 +It wouldn't, the Hi-Point's slide is chonky because it isn't all steel, it's a zinc alloy casting with some steel plates embedded into it, because that's cheaper than machining a full steel pistol slide. +This Walther Model 6 is essentially Walther's early .25 caliber pocket pistol but scaled up into a full sized service pistol in 9mm Parabellum, it's entirely safe to fire, it's just heavier than a Luger P08 and has more felt recoil, it was cheaper, but it didn't sell very well. + +There's also a bit more to blowback than JUST the weight of the slide, bolt, or breech-block, there's also the compression of the spring, as well as the length of your cartridge case. You also have the compression of a separate hammer or striker spring. +--- 57870994 +>>57870833 +For a more successful example, here's Astra's Model 600/43, which was them adapting their existing Model 600 in 9mm Largo to 9mm Parabellum, because Germany always needed more pistols. + +Funny part about these pistols in particular was that Germany paid for the order, but then they got cut off from Spain as they lost France, so Astra could just kinda shrug and tell them "Sorry." +As Astra still had these pistols they had made, they tried selling them over time to free up space, but 9mm Parabellum wasn't popular in Spain, so they didn't sell much. It wasn't until a good bit into the Cold War when the West German border guard decided they would buy the lot of them as their service pistols because Astra offered them cheap. + +The Model 600/43 isn't as nice to shoot or to carry as a Luger P08 or Walther P38, but they work just fine, and for the most part the regular Model 600 saw pretty good sales from Astra's competitive pricing. +--- 57871003 +>>57868402 (OP) +>>57868422 +Warriortard you're not even trying to be subtle +--- 57871156 +>>57870268 +--- 57871207 +>>57869248 +No, and don't bring up throwing it like a javelin either or your ancestors will frown. diff --git a/k/57868430.txt b/k/57868430.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..24c58709b77af5c7dcb8690a6e361c5ffebfb3c5 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57868430.txt @@ -0,0 +1,151 @@ +----- +--- 57868430 +Can pre invasion Russia (2022 Jan) defeat 1989 America? +--- 57868436 +>>57868430 (OP) +0% chance +--- 57868445 +>>57868430 (OP) +probably not, depends on where the war is +in europe (with euros staying out of it) maybe +in the us (russian invasion) no way +--- 57868571 +>>57868430 (OP) +Maybe if you said 1979 but even then i have my doubts. +--- 57868576 +>>57868430 (OP) +Wouldn't the 1989 US military basically just be the 2023 Ukrainian military but with much better funding and air support? +--- 57868965 +What kind of war are we talking about? + +How restricted? + +The US for example could fly over 20 B52s and drop cluster munitions over entire grid squares. + +MLRS and Artillery could cover used swaths of land with anti person or anit tank mines. + +There's just no way Russians could win in Europe. +--- 57868977 +>>57868430 (OP) +Not a fucking chance. None whatsoever, nothing. +--- 57868999 +>>57868430 (OP) +No way, the anti war buzz after Vietnam was long dead by then and the national culture was now about watching Rocky beat Drago and yelling Wolverines out in the woods. 80s America would've been foaming at the mouth. +--- 57869023 +>>57868430 (OP) +The US had like four times more nukes back then than they do today. +--- 57869058 +>>57868576 +And waaaaay more dudes +--- 57869063 +>>57868430 (OP) +I read that as russia obr. 2022 defeat 1898's era america and still had to think a bit +--- 57871163 +Idk, A-10's were already a thing by then, we had the F14 and F22 still. Javelins and guided cruise missiles were already being used. They might get their ass whooped even harder than the Ukrainians are whooping them now. +--- 57871215 +>>57871163 +The f22 all but guarantees American air superiority against the small amount of older gen fighters they've been able to field against Ukrainians who have been ae to challenege them with stingers and the like. Once that's established they're fucked, if hand grenades on rc roflcopters are giving them trouble American carpet bombing runs would end the war on their own. +--- 57871314 +>>57871163 +>>57871215 +>F-22 +>first flight 1997 +>introduced 2005 +We're talking about the 1989 US Military anons not Yugoslavia from Wargame Red Dragon. but you're correct. Just replace F-22 with F-15 and you'd have the same outcome. +>I know pic is of F-16s +--- 57871591 +Like to 2nd >>57869058. Last I knew currently the US Army alone has more people than the Ukraine Military. Hell when I got into the US Army in 1994 they were shutting down 7 Division due to post Cold War downsizing. +--- 57871644 +>>57868430 (OP) +No chance in hell. 1989 US military would drag most current militaries imo +--- 57871674 +>>57868430 (OP) +1989 US mil might actually perform better than the current US mil so -90% chance Russia wins +--- 57871688 +>>57871163 +>javelins +adopted in 1996 +--- 57871696 +>>57871674 +Only reason I might disagree is all the fancy weapons and shit we have now would maybe reduce casaulties. If you gave today's wunderwaffe to 89's military I'm pretty sure they'd have exterminated the Russians +--- 57871697 +>>57868430 (OP) +The 1989 US military was still Cold War fuckhuge. Most of 2022 Russia's tech is from the Cold War, and late US Cold War tech stomps anything the Soviets had. It still stomps the most modern Russian stuff. +--- 57871747 +>>57871696 +The 1989 US military is the same one that roflstomped the Iraqis in 1991. +They wouldn’t need super advanced intel gathering tech and javelins to put the Russians into kill boxes and bomb the living shit out of them. +Especially considering the only thing the Russians of 2022 do better than the Iraqi’s of 91 is use cruise missiles. That’s literally it. They use the same tactics, largely the same equipment, and are led just as poorly. + +If 2022 Russia faced 89 America it would be a ridiculous slaughter of historical proportions. +--- 57871808 +>>57869063 +I'd say any modern military would wipe the floor with any 1898 military +The shittiest Russian units are still armed with Mosins (About the sames as other 1890s rifles) and WW2 SMGS (Magic wunderwaffe to a 19th century army) +--- 57871839 +>>57868430 (OP) +1989 America would dumpster most armies in the world today. America wasn't the only one that took the Unipolar moment for granted this past 30 years. But yes it would be a roflstomping on par with Iraq 1. +--- 57871875 +>>57871163 +>even harder than the Ukrainians are whooping them now +According to the leaked documents, ukranians are barely hanging in there despite all we’re doing for them, and we need to continue our support if they’re going to have any chance. 1989 US would absolutely fucking destroy Russia. +--- 57871901 +>>57868430 (OP) +Don't bet on it. +--- 57871912 +>>57868430 (OP) +>checks when Himars invented +No +--- 57871964 +>>57868430 (OP) +Considering the performance of 1991 against the same tanks the Russians were using before they ran out, absolutely. It would be a more brutal shit stomp than 2020 America vs Russia, because the lack of PGMs and the reliance on shock and awe would mean large amounts of vatnik civilians converted into carbon stains. The sheer volume of America at the peak of it's jingo arc would leave a Sherman's march size cultural tear in the collective slavoid anus. +--- 57872036 +>>57868430 (OP) +The Russians wouldn't even have been able to win against 1991 Iraq. +--- 57872055 +>>57871697 +Thats the biggest thing--the US military in 1989 was still at cold war levels. They didnt even start talking about drawdowns until after Desert Storm and the collapse of the USSR. +--- 57872056 +>>57868430 (OP) +1989's US military was literally designed to defeat USSR armies which honestly Russia's basically is. Not to mention the populace is much more fervently anti-Russian than now. Look how the curb stomped Iraq in 1991 +--- 57872097 +>>57868430 (OP) +no, but 1980 Russia would've defeated 1989 America +--- 57872139 +>>57871747 +This +--- 57872150 +They can't even win against the leftover cold-war shit the US is sending +--- 57872203 +>>57872097 +>1980 Russia would've defeated 1989 America +--- 57872220 +>>57868430 (OP) + +If anything, the US Military of 1989 would have stomped the Russians even harder than the US Military of 2022 because it was larger, had vastly higher standards, morale was at an all-time high, and the annual REFORGER exercises meant that huge numbers of men and material could be deployed far more rapidly by both sea and air. +--- 57872242 +>>57872220 +do you have the two original components of this image separate? I require both of them +--- 57872271 +>>57872242 + +Ask and you shall receive +--- 57872276 +>>57872242 + +ditto +--- 57872296 +>>57872276 +so these guys are wearing BDUs with PASGT helmets and vests on top and an ALICE belt with suspenders on top of that, right +gotta replicate that look +--- 57872317 +>>57868430 (OP) +Pre-invasion Russia would get easily humiliated by 1989 Soviet Union. +They'd have no chance against the US. +--- 57872352 +>>57872296 + +It's 1989 so yeah, although M69 fragmentation vests were still used by a lot of reserve units, there's quite a few photos from Panama of the 7th Infantry Division wearing them. There's even at least one photograph of an RTO in the 82nd Airborne wearing Vietnam-era ERDL fatigues with his flag patch attached with a safety pin +--- 57873184 +>>57872352 +I already have the PASGT vest diff --git a/k/57868622.txt b/k/57868622.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0d261127d71ef29d33e1a4c33923b307fc1b3657 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57868622.txt @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +----- +--- 57868622 +New Russian cosmonauts just dropped +--- 57868629 +>>57868622 (OP) +Literal. +--- 57868634 +>>57868622 (OP) +Any chance of surviving this? +--- 57868705 +>>57868634 +World war 2 tankers are known to have survived being ejected from their tanks by explosions. So maybe? +--- 57868730 +>>57868634 + +That's a 20-meter drop...doesn't look too good. + +Also, they didn't just fall, the blast had enough force to throw a grown man 20 meters high - their bones are broken and lungs are mush. +--- 57868934 +>>57868622 (OP) +>Ils sont bien ces russes, ils volent mieux que les autres, j'ai l'impression. Ça doit être leur nouveau casque, ça leur donne une meilleure pénétration dans l'air. +--- 57868963 +>>57868634 +Absolutely not. Better chance of surviving being struck by lightning. +--- 57868981 +>>57868963 +that happens pretty often too +--- 57868994 +>>57868934 +Isn't Gerard mooching off Russia too? +--- 57869017 +>>57868622 (OP) +VEH +--- 57869096 +>>57869017 +DEH +--- 57869109 +>Russians with Altitude +--- 57869120 +>>57868634 +The shockwave probably caused massive internal bleeding if they were somehow spared from any shrapnel. +It's also entirely possible that the shockwave flat out killed them immediately by destroying their brain. +--- 57869126 +>>57868994 +The last I heard he got himself in trouble over there, probably by being an irresponsible drunkard to levels not even Russians can handle. +--- 57869130 +>>57869096 +DED +--- 57870900 +>>57868730 +>>57869120 +Maybe, but the shockwave is at their feet away from their brain and it might be possible to "ride" some of the shockwave out of the tank and not suffer the worst effects. +--- 57870977 +>>57870900 +>"ride" some of the shockwave +Only if they're going at least at the speed of sound, which they aren't +--- 57871025 +>>57868634 +it used to happen in WW2 all the time. It is survivable. Even pic related had one +--- 57871062 +>>57871025 +Mate, you're not surviving a cookoff like that +--- 57871088 +>>57871062 +>photojournalist brags about doing his job +why are journos like this? +--- 57871105 +>>57868994 +Can Russia's infrastructure even support having him and Seagull in the country at the same time? +--- 57871491 +>>57869109 +nice one +--- 57871594 +>>57868994 +Gerard wised up later and fucked off I think, from what I heard +still insufferable though +--- 57871683 +Vatnik bros how do we keep winning? The automatic ejection system is clearly working and nato fags keep seething. +--- 57871703 +>>57868622 (OP) +Is this from Vuhledar? Or are they spamming tanks somewhere else in the front now +--- 57871721 +>>57871062 +>merely pretending +--- 57871838 +>>57868634 +4 seconds air time, 2 seconds up, 2 second down... launch and impact therefore were at 19.6m/s or 44mph, vertically. Assuming 10cm of mud, he experienced around 200g very briefly and is now a flatnik. +--- 57871863 +>>57871062 +In the vid the guy did +--- 57871880 +>>57868622 (OP) +ouch +--- 57871906 +>>57871088 +>Brags +He was justifying it to a hyper critical audience calling him a traitor retard. +The west wasn't always a free press paradise. +--- 57871979 +>>57868634 +They're just sleeping +--- 57873068 +>>57868634 +no parachutes. +--- 57873196 +>>57871062 +>people like my mom will think war is what they see on TV +why are boomers so retarded, anyway? was it leaded gasoline? diff --git a/k/57868701.txt b/k/57868701.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a761fef93c236e5ad9bc567d777641bce00be454 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57868701.txt @@ -0,0 +1,522 @@ +----- +--- 57868701 +Just to remind anons here that publicily announced deliveries are not all that ukraine is getting, there are governments like Meloni in Italy sending stuff without announcing it. + +Here a twitter video of the train full of Italian howitzers moving East. + +https://twitter.com/FranzFabius/status/1646960080753942528?s=20 +--- 57868708 +>>57868701 (OP) +>shitalian +--- 57868720 +>>57868709 +Nope, Meloni right wing party in Italy is pro Ukraine, they are sending arms delivery to UA. +--- 57868725 +>>57868701 (OP) +Just because they are mid transport near the eastern border doesn't mean they are going to Ukraine. They could be moved anywhere to eastern NATO troops. +--- 57868726 +>>57868709 +--- 57868742 +>>57868723 +Here a link to Italian public tv website admitting that those are howitzers for Ukraine after the video went viral on twitter you butthurt vatnig. + +https://www.rainews.it/video/2023/04/carri-armati-italiani-trasportati-su-treno-alla-stazione-di-udine-verso-i-confini-est-del-nostro-pa-6037da98-9067-47bf-a26e-3c4a40abd8f1.html +--- 57868750 +>>57868732 +Why do you even bother to post this shit? retard +--- 57868755 +>>57868723 +--- 57868758 +>>57868725 +After the video went viral one Italian minister did admit to the press that they are delivery for Ukraine. +--- 57868764 +>>57868709 +Invasion of Russia has already started? :^) +--- 57868767 +>>57868720 +you can't imagine how glad I am there are still right wing parties that haven't been completely pozzed +--- 57868768 +also, apparently some OTO made Leopard 1A5s are being shipped as well +>>57868725 +just like the totally-not-going-to-ukraine-PzH2000? +--- 57868775 +>>57868701 (OP) +>secretly +Newspeak +--- 57868777 +spaghettis forgot the ammo +--- 57868802 +>>57868732 +The only people in Europe supporting Russia are those compromised by Russia. + +And thus most non extreme groups are very much pro Ukraine. In half of Europe nationalism,a position traditionally seen as right wing, is defined in one way or another in opposition to Russia. + +That is if you don't claim the only right wing parties in Europe are orbans goons and the other FSB assets +--- 57868834 +>>57868709 +>>57868764 +We Barbarossa 2.0 now +--- 57868876 +>>57868834 +It was supposed to be a switching sides joke but no one got it +--- 57868889 +>>57868701 (OP) +They sold 90% of their old stock all 300+ of to Pakistan. +They were also going to send the rest as well, these might be shipments to Pakistan. +--- 57868907 +>>57868723 +>>57868732 +Why do /pol/jeets love trannies so much? It's all they talk about. +--- 57868915 +>>57868732 +I am a right winger. +I support killing communist faggots who worship the red army. +Ukraine is killing communist faggots who worship the red army. +Therefore I support Ukraine. +Therefore a right winger supports Ukraine. + +You are wrong. + +Everyone who worships the red army deserves a painful death. Cмepть кoмyнicтaм, cлaвa Укpaїнi! +--- 57868923 +>>57868915 +Based. + +Russia has united the Right and Left. + +Death to all Russians +--- 57868927 +>>57868915 +Interesting gear set up, what is that mag holder bro is rocking on his hip. I like it +--- 57868930 +>>57868701 (OP) +Diocane, I can't wait to see those vatnik mongoloids getting blasted with our shit. +--- 57868938 +>>57868923 +They truly have, only people who support Russia are brain ded edgelords and contrarians +--- 57868942 +>>57868930 +based, me too +dio bauco +--- 57868949 +>>57868938 +My 95 year old grandmother enjoys watching drone drops, she's the leftest person I have ever met +--- 57868983 +>>57868889 +The minister for relations with parliament today did admit that they are for Ukraine after video went around italian websites, though he also said they need to be refurbished in Poland before they go back in service for UA. +--- 57868984 +>>57868767 +Yeah, the association of anything right with Russia has severely damaged politics in both EU and US +It's good that at least some didn't buy into corruption +--- 57868986 +>>57868742 +"Carri Armati" literally means tanks, Journos don't even know what an SPG is +--- 57868993 +>>57868915 +--- 57869000 +>>57868923 +I'm a leftoid, but have friends all over the political spectrum and we all enjoy seeing vatniks die horribly +But it might be because we're Polish +--- 57869021 +>>57868986 +Yeah journos are retarded, they see a vehicle with tracks or a cannon and immediately go "hurr durr is that a tonk?". + +Even more cringe they did the same with the Centauros calling them tanks even though they are wheeled fire support vehicles/tank destroyers. +--- 57869028 +Godo porco dio, hopefully we'll send even more +--- 57869034 +>>57868802 +In Italy the far right it's split, while it used to be predominantly pro Russia before 2022. + +>>57868725 +It's cold war stockpiles, nato troops wouldn't use that stuff, especially not before having it refurbished +--- 57869055 +A year later, and everytime something bad for Russia is posted, a shill begins to try to derail thread with the same script and buzzwords. +--- 57869064 +>>57869051 +>>57869022 +>>57869014 + +Yeah, I'm Jewish, seethe +--- 57869076 +>>57868723 +It's true, Italy already sent hundreds milions in aud to Ukraind, but it doesn't publicize them because the qar is very unpopular in Italy. +Source: sono italiano ridardato di merda, esci da rchan e fatti una vita. +--- 57869077 +>>57869064 +if you don't have a foreskin where do you store your CCW +--- 57869102 +>>57869074 +I live in the western country with the fewer jewish influence ever in history, lmao +>>57869064 +I once banged an israeli chick. Little I knew it could have been my ticket to become part of the global elite that controls the world. Worse than missing out the bitcoin boom, bummer +--- 57869105 +>>57869077 +Tactical Yamaka +--- 57869127 +For the record, Ukraine already received italian M109s a month ago, this is just a new batch: +https://mil.in.ua/en/news/italian-m109l-self-propelled-howitzers-arrive-in-ukraine/ +--- 57869132 +>>57869022 +Right wing picture book memes looking like a smash bros roster +--- 57869134 +Btw this is not "secret" but it's in the lease made by the previous government +--- 57869144 +wow +--- 57869146 +>>57869144 +based wow poster +--- 57869147 +What are they like are they anygood? +--- 57869152 +>>57868701 (OP) +What's the point? Russia still has a HUGE superiority in artillery, so these will just slow Russia down a bit, not defeat it. Situation is critical for Ukraine: Europe has nothing to send anymore, and US is (rightfully) afraid of sending its weapons because things might escalate. +--- 57869163 +>shill changing tactics to concerned trolling when his poltard screeching fails +--- 57869164 +>>57869152 +If you have 10 times more artillery but you miss 10 times more of your shots does it still count as superiority? +--- 57869180 +>>57869152 +lol,lmao +--- 57869187 +>>57869152 +Did you realise your previous tactics haven't worked? + +You also made a new thread, for some reason +--- 57869216 +>>57868701 (OP) +>there are governments like Meloni in Italy sending stuff without announcing it. +Yep. Finland for example sent a bunch of its 2A36 Giatsint-B towed artillery and we just know this because they were filmed in use. Who knows what each country has actually sent. +--- 57869241 +>>57869216 +It's the same in Spain. The public here doesn't like wars and militarism at all, but the goverment has been sending all they can, specially ammo and AT/HE rockets like the C90 +--- 57869258 +>>57869076 +>the war is very unpopular in Italy +Among retards, maybe. +Meloni got most of her votes because she was an actual Italian right winger instead of a Putin simp like the rest of them. +--- 57869262 +>>57869022 +it never fails to amuse me that there are people who take this image seriously +--- 57869309 +>>57868915 +based moderate +--- 57869356 +>>57869258 +Lol nobody voted Meloni because of her pro Ukraine policy... It's the eurofags and the centrists who shill for Zelensky those who care about that. Meloni simply thought it's not possibile to adopt a different diplomatic posture while being in the EU club. + +T. italian +--- 57869375 +>>57868986 +>>57869021 +Nobody watching cares. +People who care already know. +--- 57869451 +>>57869375 +retarded phoneposter +--- 57869552 +>>57869258 +Bro if you think this war ia popular in Italy and that Meloni voters support it you're either very wrong or very much non italian. +--- 57869744 +>>57869356 +> Lol nobody voted Meloni because of her pro Ukraine policy +Fuck you, I did +t. Italian +--- 57869755 +>>57869552 +>Bro if you think this war ia popular in Italy +Meh, it's more popular than you think, but it is very polarising, yes. +>And that Meloni voters support it +If you're not braindead, you support it. I do, for example +--- 57869760 +>>57869147 +No of course not +--- 57869769 +>>57869760 +Doesn't Russia rely mostly on towed arty? SPGs are more mobile and have an advantage in counterbattery +--- 57869784 +>>57869375 +the way you try to appear smarter and nihilistic only makes you more retarded +--- 57869801 +>>57868768 +That'd make sense, Italy's sitting on hundreds of them +--- 57869812 +>>57869801 +> Italy's sitting on hundreds of them +not anymore, the few we didn’t turn into razor blades ended up in Belgium +--- 57869826 +>>57869812 +Huh, I was under the impression that Lenta's still chock full of them. +--- 57869852 +>>57869744 +Bretty based compà +--- 57869877 +>>57868701 (OP) +>https://twitter.com/FranzFabius/status/1646960080753942528?s=20 +shit built decades ago designed to annihilate commies is being shipped to do exactly that. +What is the problem here ? +--- 57869882 +>>57869826 +Yeah, at least in 2022. But there were a couple small articles (in May 2022) about several vehicles being moved, and whatever we send is under state secret, so they might have sent some stuff already. I may go check some satellite photos later on to verify. +--- 57869896 +>>57869826 +https://twitter.com/EnricoMicheli/status/1389240546053529600 +--- 57869903 +>>57869147 +Its SPGs with barrels that are not spent and that can fire most NATO ammo. They can be at the front for a couple of months while other systems are being serviced. + +>>57869812 +What happened to the 120 L1A5s? +--- 57869913 +>>57868725 +What NATO troops would accept Leopard 1s? Arietes maybe or any of those fancy OTO Merada deck gun derivatives since they'd probably be an upgrade from Soviet garbage but they wouldn't be taking the Leopard 1s. +Italy would need a replacement for the Arietes tho and I've seen no news of it. +--- 57869947 +>>57869913 +>Italy would need a replacement for the Arietes tho +Outside of helping other NATO allies, we don't really need tanks that much due to geography. Air and naval power is the main focus. +--- 57869950 +>>57869903 +see >>57869896 +>>57869913 +>and I’ve seen no news of it +oh, anon… +--- 57869951 +>>57869896 +well, fug +>>57869913 +They were looking into buying Leo 2's just recently +--- 57870016 +>>57869950 +The NATO report specifically states that they scapped L1A2s, not the L1A5s. Those were meant to be kept in reserve. Were they sold off or did they find their way to FFG in the past 14 months? +--- 57870045 +>>57870016 +all Italian Leopards were 1A2s, some of them were just upgraded with the 1A5 turret +the chunk of it was still 1A2s +the few 1A5s we had were mostly sold to that one Belgian guy iirc +--- 57870106 +meloni is nice +--- 57870174 +>>57868732 +You're not right wing and the traitors you support aren't right wing either.Any actual right wing politican is against russia. +--- 57870336 +>>57870045 +I was under the impression that the Belgian guy exclusively bought Belgian L1s, might be wrong though. I specifically asked for the 120 L1A5s because I am too lazy to dig through SIPRI data. + +Danish L1s are already at FFG and the German ones should be with Rheinmetall and KMW. I think that most of the overhaul will be done by FFG too. +In total, there are several hundred L1A5s that could be used as fire support vehicles in Ukrainian TDF brigades until L2A4/5/6 become available in mass. It really comes down to the number of L2A8 orders we are going to see in the next 12-18 months. +--- 57870344 +>>57868907 +They're obsessed +--- 57870378 +>>57869014 +He was saying that as a positive thing. +--- 57870410 +>>57868701 (OP) +How many other countries have been doing this the entire war? +--- 57870415 +>>57868701 (OP) +Those are serbian M109 and they sending it to russia +--- 57870483 +>>57868986 +"Carri Armati" means "Armed Vehicle" tho. It's not only for tanks, it's used for any vehicle intended to have weaponry in it by design. IFVs, SPAAs and SPGs included. Hell even the APCs with machineguns like the M113 are called that. I'm all for shitting on journos but this isn't a reason to do it. +--- 57870484 +After more than 400 days of special military operations Russia can boast about a dozen artillery pieces destroyed by lancets. Well, no worries, Italy is just sending 100 new M109. Italy, you are based +--- 57870663 +>>57868701 (OP) +Those are going to Fiume, anon. Italy is going to war. +--- 57870667 +>>57870483 +> "Carri Armati" means "Armed Vehicle" tho. +Since when? Google translate ain't that accurate, my dear anglo. +--- 57870699 +>>57870483 +>IFVs +Veicolo da combattimento della fanteria +>APCs +Veicolo (corazzato) trasporto truppe +>SPAAs +Semovente antiaereo +>SPGs +Semovente d'artiglieria +--- 57870874 +>>57870483 +there's the lexical meaning, and the contextual meaning +of course "carri armati" literally means armed vehicles (armed chariots if we want to be anal) but that's not how it's used +--- 57870875 +>>57868986 +>Journos don't even know what an SPG is +--- 57870894 +>>57869744 +Then you're doubly retarded since you should have remembered how hard she shilled for Putin up untill a couple of years ago. At least Berlusconi it's still based, and you have in in your coalition. +--- 57870922 +>>57870894 +>you should have remembered how hard she shilled for Putin up untill a couple of years ago +And that abruptly ended when Putin started a war on European soil. Guess why? +>At least Berlusconi it's still based, and you have in in your coalition. +It's always neat when ziggers expose who they really are. Why do you complain about Meloni's past statements on Russia when you call a Putin shill based? +--- 57870924 +>>57869755 +>Meloni voter +>Not braindead +Pick one fascio +--- 57870951 +>>57870924 +Name one (1) decent alternative. +--- 57871354 +>>57870875 +>Sir the enemy tanks are attacking us! +>Which tanks? The ones that carry infantry? The tanks that fire at long range? The tanks made to destroy tanks? Tanks? +--- 57871390 +>>57870875 +I want to spin kick Michael Tracy down a flight of stairs. +--- 57872004 +>>57870922 +He's based because he's not an opportunist like your presidentessa. You're not right wing either, if Ukraine it's all that you care about then PD it's what you should vote (kek) +--- 57872091 +>>57872004 +>uhm ackshually Meloni isn't right wing because....beucase......BECAUSE I SAID SO OK SLAVA PUTIN Z +ok lambrenedettoXVI +--- 57872099 +>>57872004 +>if Ukraine it's all that you care about +It isn't. But voting for Lega or Forza Italia means giving a vote to the pro-Putin side of the cdx coalition while not having a substantially different policy on other issues. If FdI wasn't the leading party in the coalition, there would be no M109s on that train. +--- 57872114 +>>57872004 +> presidentessa +Didn't she make a big deal out of not being called that? +--- 57872115 +>>57872099 +plus Salvini is a legit retard and Berlusconi is senile (and I think soon to be dead) +I'll give my vote to Tafani when the time comes +--- 57872131 +>>57872004 +>if Ukraine it's all that you care about then PD it's what you should vote +Nice bait. What's their policy on sending weapons to Ukraine. +--- 57872136 +>>57868701 (OP) +Oryx sucks fat wurst +Q.E.D. +--- 57872158 +Never felt so free guys. +--- 57872159 +>>57872115 +>(and I think soon to be dead) +Nah, dude just got out of the ICU. Probably called in a favour from God or something. +> I'll give my vote to Tafani when the time comes +Tajani ain't too bad, but until Berlusca dies I can't really trust FI on foreign policy. +--- 57872168 +>>57872158 +I'm (not so) patiently waiting for the investigation committee. +--- 57872177 +>>57872131 +Giving them everything they want for "as long as needed". You maybe wouldn't say that but the moderate left is the most stanchly pro american/nato force in the political scenery +--- 57872188 +>>57872159 +>just got out of ICU +I know you probably won’t believe me, but I know a girl whose sister is Berlusca’s nephew’s gf +the situation looks grim for him +--- 57872212 +>>57872004 +--- 57872225 +>>57872177 +>Giving them everything they want for "as long as needed" +Lmao, Schlein has never been in favour of weapon deliveries and increased military spending. Best case is she's ambiguous as fuck, worst case is she calls for pacifism and disarmament. +>You maybe wouldn't say that but the moderate left is the most stanchly pro american/nato force in the political scenery +I doubt that, mostly because if that were the case we would see PD politicians be loudly in favour of sending weapons, instead of this tiptoeing. +--- 57872239 +>>57872188 +>the situation looks grim for him +I don't doubt that, leukemia is a bitch. I just don't really wanna get my hopes up. +--- 57872244 +>>57868701 (OP) +I'd like to deliver mu 155mm to Meloni if you know what I mean +--- 57872279 +>>57870951 +I would've said PD had Bonaccini won, now I can only say "touché" +--- 57872303 +>>57872279 +>I would've said PD had Bonaccini won +I would have probably agreed. +I struggle to think that Schlein was anything but sabotage by right-wingers. +--- 57872327 +>>57872244 +>ywn have prime Giorgia shoegaze gf +--- 57872432 +>>57872225 + +She's just being ambiguous imo, I'm quite confident about it because I used to vote them and I know how they try to appeal to internal factions while doing exactly the opposite of what they ask for. Then there also also the similarly aligned parties of Renzi, Bonino, Calenda, they are maybe the most pro Ukraine groups* in the whole parliament. + +Besides, Pd and their ancestors supported every possibile western intervention, except Iraq 2003. They would do anything to stay in the western/EU club. + +*cucks +--- 57872451 +>>57872327 +she looks better with darker hair desu +--- 57872460 +>>57872451 +She was also like half the age in that photo +--- 57872465 +>>57872327 +In her prime, not bad at all +--- 57872494 +>>57868802 +There are some extremist groups, people like me, that want Russia glassed to non existence. Don't throw us all in that generalisation nigger. +--- 57872513 +>>57872432 +>Besides, Pd and their ancestors supported every possibile western intervention, except Iraq 2003. They would do anything to stay in the western/EU club. +How is that a good thing? +> Then there also also the similarly aligned parties of Renzi, Bonino, Calenda, they are maybe the most pro Ukraine groups* in the whole parliament. +TP (well, IV and AZ, as TP is dead lmao) and +E are part of the most pro-Ukraine groups, but I wouldn't say the are as hawkish as FdI. They also have terrible takes on other topics that interest me (although I used to vote +E for EU elections due to them voting with ALDE). +--- 57872524 +based spghetti +--- 57872527 +>>57872494 +>There are some extremist groups, people like me, that want Russia glassed to non existence. +I want Russia glassed. +I am a moderate. +--- 57872587 +>>57872513 + +> How is that a good thing? + +Well, for me it's not, I was just giving some background. I believe we should prioritize our national interest, and to me those interventions didn't have much to do with it. +--- 57872732 +>>578725870 +> I believe we should prioritize our national interest +100% Agree. +> Those interventions didn't have much to do with it +100% Agree on that too. Intervening in Libya was probably the worst strategic blunder we made. +--- 57872749 +>>57872587 +I would however also argue that helping Ukraine is also in our interest, as war on European soil undermines our (European) stability and forces us to also spend way more in defense. I miss the times when I thought we could get along with Russia and kinda use it as a gas station while everybody would get richer from it. +--- 57872763 +I will never forget the day when my waifu won the vote and poltards everywhere celebrated thinking she was just Salvini with a pussy +--- 57872811 +>>57872749 +it’s in our economic interest as well +https://www.esteri.it/en/sala_stampa/archivionotizie/comunicati/2023/03/litalia-ospitera-il-26-aprile-una-conferenza-per-la-ricostruzione-dellucraina/ +--- 57872827 +>>57872811 +>it’s in our economic interest as well +I need to find that IQ bell curve meme I saw with "We're governed by Confindustria" on both extremes. +--- 57872915 +>>57868701 (OP) +The /k/ino must flow +--- 57872926 +>>57871354 +IFVs and APC's, SPGs, Tank destroyer(We don't really use this term desu), MBT's, Reconnaissance tracked. +All tanks, all have better names that people use. +While the culture calls MBTs tanks, anyone actually trained will use whatever word the military wants to use shorthand for, but in classification documents they're all still tanks. +--- 57872937 +Just curious how a guy on Twitter knows about a secret shipment of anything to anywhere? +--- 57873009 +>>57872937 +>Just curious how a guy on Twitter knows about a secret shipment of anything to anywhere? +Because train tracks go through stations, so if you see this in a station you take a video and put it online for clout. +--- 57873076 +>>57868984 +Binland right wing parties are also uncompromising in their support for NATO and Ukraine, I guess a hundred years of less-than-stellar relations and repeat threats of nuking recently are a truly unifying cause. + +t. American dual citizen living in Finland diff --git a/k/57868722.txt b/k/57868722.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..ae9160292db2e3828703e1dc1d8f47d1ba794742 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57868722.txt @@ -0,0 +1,176 @@ +----- +--- 57868722 +smoke break is over, vatnik +--- 57868738 +>>57868722 (OP) +thread theme - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j58V2vC9EPc [Embed] +--- 57868752 +>>57868722 (OP) +>wounded guy sees the drone +>he warns his buddies +>they leave him and run off + +grim +--- 57868789 +>>57868752 +>the way he desperately tries to get up and run +war is hell(a funny) +--- 57868825 +>white +wrong +>christian +wrong +>men +wrong +--- 57868826 +>>57868806 +Putin has caused far more white deaths than ISIS ever did. +--- 57868827 +>>57868806 +You think they're white? +--- 57868828 +>>57868789 +ironically, he would have been better off if he remained laying down instead of sitting up and getting a bunch of shrapnel in his back +--- 57868836 +>>57868806 +Are you having a stroke +--- 57868839 +>>57868806 +NOOOOOOOOO YOU MUST LET ME ROB YOU AND KILL YOU I'M A FELLOW WHITE MAN YOU CAN'T KILL ME OR THE JEWS WIN +--- 57868849 +>>57868806 +Russians are just White Niggers. +--- 57868851 +>>57868806 +believing in non-Catholic Christianity +--- 57868856 +>>57868806 +If they aren’t Catholic why should I a Catholic give a shit that they are ‘Christian’ my ancestors would’ve burned them at the stake for being heretics +--- 57868859 +>>57868806 +>Christians +--- 57868864 +>>57868847 +Dead zigger posting +--- 57868866 +>>57868859 +>>57868806 +Ohnonono Zisters I thought we were the based trad Christians what went wrong +--- 57868872 +>>57868859 +>>57868866 +neither of these reflect reality, faggot +80% of those marked as religious are not, regardless of which heresy they follow +--- 57868874 +>>57868867 +>russians +>european +are you retarded? +(don't answer, we all know the answer) +--- 57868875 +>>57868851 +The schizo idolatry practiced by russians isn't christianism at all. +--- 57868890 +>>57868872 +>t-thats fake news, it doesn't count! +lol +--- 57868959 +>>57868722 (OP) +me on the left +--- 57868975 +>>57868867 +>snowgeria +>european +Where are you from, retard? +--- 57868995 +>>57868828 +Better in the back that in the face. That's the "best" place i can think of honestly +--- 57869084 +>>57868867 +>>57868806 +--- 57869108 +>>57868806 +>white +>christian +>men +--- 57869116 +>>57868722 (OP) +what would happen if you caught it. Would the deceleration make it go off? +--- 57869155 +>>57868722 (OP) + An Eight-Man Boofing…VERY impressive! + + This Drone Booferboi advances to the Bonus Round! +--- 57869183 +>>57868890 +oh, my side... +--- 57869223 +>>57868806 +Yeah who keeps sending all those white Christian men off to their deaths by the way? + +Friendly reminder to check your email Vlad +--- 57869228 +>>57868806 +--- 57869232 +>i have no legs and i must flee +--- 57869238 +>>57868806 +--- 57869247 +>>57868806 +This but unironically +--- 57869307 +>>57868806 +Abrahamic niggers worship same piss pole. +--- 57869465 +>>57868806 +Nice +--- 57869506 +>>57868722 (OP) +geez, imagine being the poor fucker on the stretcher knowing you cant run away +--- 57869717 +>>57868806 +>white +>Christian +>men +Lol +--- 57869728 +>>57868806 +here get your (you) dopamine hit +--- 57869758 +>>57868806 +>>white christian men dying +Dunno if you know this or not but these guys enter towns screaming Allah Akbar +--- 57869835 +>>57868806 +mental illness +--- 57869993 +>57868806 +lmao he said it again +--- 57870190 +>>57868872 +For Russia, this is perhaps true. Fewer Russians go to Easter service than Japanese. +--- 57870277 +>Russian's +>White +lol lmao this is your brain on /pol/ +--- 57870338 +>>57870277 +It's funny because before this war start /pol/ would scream up and down that Russians weren't white +--- 57870356 +>>57868722 (OP) +Thats a russian warcrime +Those are hohol victims +--- 57870369 +>>57870338 +It's almost as if /pol/ is filled with mentally unhinged contrarian rejects +--- 57870400 +>>57868722 (OP) +>intentionally targeting the wounded and unarmed medics +Ukrainians are truly evil. They fully deserve every bad thing happening to them +--- 57870492 +So how high do they fly the drones exactly? Do they change altitude for bomb drop offs? Are they THAT silent? +--- 57871638 +Bump +--- 57871725 +>>57870400 +When a burglar is in your house you have to play fair and hand them a gun too to fight back with diff --git a/k/57868937.txt b/k/57868937.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..43eea10a6691bd4fc9bac1483b2a6585269e4780 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57868937.txt @@ -0,0 +1,111 @@ +----- +--- 57868937 +what's the tactical advantage of using wooden tanks? + +https://t.me/belwarriors/2464 +--- 57868945 +Keeps some of the wind out. +--- 57868950 +HATO satanic BLACK MAGIC curse spelling in the video DONT WATCH +war crime +--- 57868957 +flinstones ass army +--- 57868996 +>Stalinwood is real +--- 57869005 +>>57868996 +>Stalinwood + +w..what? +--- 57869007 +>>57868937 (OP) +A tank is a tank! Real war is not like your videogame movies in the Avengers castle +--- 57869011 +>>57868937 (OP) +I can't believe they captured Shoigu's own personal tank +--- 57869019 +Ok what's the actual story here is this normal? +--- 57869030 +I don't understand how the wood is still intact when the tank suffered a detonation of the magazine. If it was able to blow the turret off wouldn't it blow out the wood panels? +--- 57869110 +>>57868937 (OP) +Vatnig tanks are shit, but that is not wood it is some kind of polymer. +--- 57869140 +>>57868937 (OP) +So the tank burned so hot the metal melted but the wood is fine. Sure. No way /k/ would ever lie to me +--- 57869160 +>>57869154 +If you're this retarded you shouldn't be posting. +--- 57869166 +>>57869160 +Oh I guess it must be magic then. +--- 57869173 +It's true + +>There have been reports of Mongolian wooden tank brigades spotted in Ukraine. +>Crewed by asiatic soldiers, and their twinks, they are projected to obliterate Ukrainian positions +--- 57869177 +>>57869166 +Why'd you delete your post? Did you realize how stupid the though that an explosion that has the power to lift a 12 ton turret off of a tank but not splinter wood was? +--- 57869218 +>>57869177 +Could be jannies +--- 57869344 +>>57868957 +I'm picturing a jet with a hole in the bottom, the pilot starts running along the runway +--- 57869364 +>>57868937 (OP) +why does the guy sound like Darth Nihilus +--- 57869507 +Isn't that textolite? A fibre/resin composite +--- 57869511 +>>57869005 +--- 57869593 +>>57869019 +Normal for Russia. The wood layer is supposed to be a composite layer. Russia being Russia, someone in the factory chain bought himself a new mansion in the Mediterranean after buying pine 2x4s instead and pocketing the rest. +--- 57869606 +>>57869593 +How could it possibly be wood or real? +>>57869030 +--- 57869634 +Probably is, seeing as the tank was probably on fire and wood wouldn't look like that after being burned. +--- 57869714 +>>57869507 +>Isn't that textolite? A fibre/resin composite +Quite interesting read here: https://www.quora.com/How-does-the-Textolite-glass-filled-plastic-fiber-glass-in-a-T-64-and-T-72-tank-hull-armor-work-and-why-did-the-Soviets-get-rid-of-it-Why-was-it-never-used-in-a-turret-s-armor +For me, see: https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/search?q=composite%20armor +>One line of research focused on further developing the existing steel-STB-steel armour technology by adding a high hardness steel plate in the middle of the armour array to split the glass textolite layer into two, with a total of five layers in the armour array. This was the option pursued by the LKZ design bureau in Leningrad and by the Malyshev design bureau in Kharkov. In 1985, this type of armour was implemented in the T-64BV and T-80BV, but in different forms. At this point, not one among the three tanks shared the same armour, unlike in the mid 1970's when all three series featured the same 80-105-20 armour developed by NII Stali. +--- 57869720 +>>57869714 +*For more, see +--- 57869746 +>>57868937 (OP) +So this is how they made the Protoss voices. +--- 57869765 +>>57868937 (OP) +>https://t.me/belwarriors/2464 +WEBM +--- 57869787 +What tank is it? T-80B? +--- 57870397 +>>57869765 +146% quality Stallinium. +--- 57870409 +>>57869787 +Cameraman says t-80. + +Maybe t-80 obr. Basedgu. +--- 57870418 +>>57869344 +That's a MiG-25. +--- 57870419 +>>57868937 (OP) +>its impossible! its not real! +>nothing can defy my magnetic power! +--- 57870432 +I know someone's gonna call me a vatnik, but that's not wood. You can see the fiber hairs coming out of the block closest to the explosion in the hull. Resin-impregnated fiber blocks like kinda like wood from a distance the layering has been exposed. Has grain and everything. I don't know what they put in tanks but I've done stuff with phenolic and glass fiber insulators. +--- 57870434 +I assumed this was going to be a jape thread and the "wood" was actually a tank decoy... but that looks like what's left of a diesel transmission after it fried from the inside +what the fuck, Russia? this is far beyond benign neglect, the poor fuckers inside must have died instantly +--- 57870474 +it's probably not wood but damaged from the explosion diff --git a/k/57869298.txt b/k/57869298.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f74c10a0ef3096e380f4686cebe4cc3e86565262 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57869298.txt @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ +----- +--- 57869298 +/k/, I come to you in a time of great need. I recently acquired an S&W M&P 45 shield m2.0 and have been trying to find a slide for it that is optics ready. Unfortunately due to my absolute stupidity, I have been having a lot of trouble either finding a new slide or finding a way to put a small red dot on the thing. Was hoping that some /k/ing on here might know of a website or have a solution to help me find something for it / get something added. thanks in advance. Pic rel +--- 57869323 +The 2.0 shield wasn't available OR, the plus is. Your only hope is a dovetail mount to replace the rear sight, or get the slide milled for it. +--- 57869491 +>>57869323 +Thank you! Ill try looking for a dovetail or finding a gun smith locally. +--- 57869546 +>>57869298 (OP) +Why do you need optics on a handgun? +--- 57870368 +>>57869546 + +I prefer a red dot to iron sights on handguns +--- 57871087 +>>57869491 +https://www.egwguns.com/pistol-and-red-dot-mounts/?brand=766&model=696 +--- 57872111 +>>57870368 +i hate people like you, unless you got existing vision issues you're part of the problem +--- 57872174 +>>57872111 +>NUUU you can't like things I don't like! diff --git a/k/57869330.txt b/k/57869330.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..ac7cdaaa3094a313a70934b28827f11016eb1bfb --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57869330.txt @@ -0,0 +1,337 @@ +----- +--- 57869330 +Reminder: situational awareness is the most important weapon +--- 57869348 +>>57869330 (OP) +>kicking it back into the crowd instead of diving on it + +pussy +--- 57869361 +>>57869330 (OP) +>not grabbing random vibrators and immediately using them +Pussy. +--- 57869567 +>>57869330 (OP) +Based bodyguard! 10/10 would share a foxhole with +--- 57869601 +>>57869330 (OP) +Finally some good reaction. +--- 57869614 +What the fuck is going on in Japan, first someone kills the president and now they throw a smoke bomb at the current one +--- 57869619 +>>57869330 (OP) +Maybe I should be a bodyguard. That would be so cool. I could guard pretty girls. Yeah, that would be cool. +--- 57869624 +>>57869330 (OP) +what's in the briefcase and why is it so thin? +--- 57869626 +>>57869619 +High IQ and too many hikki incels. +--- 57869631 +>>57869624 +It's a folding ballistic shield +--- 57869640 +i work in a grocery store and once i was stocking bottles of olive oil and one of them fell off the shelf +i tried to break its fall with my foot but instead i kicked it back into the lower shelves and it broke even more bottles +--- 57869641 +>>57869624 +it's essentially a kevlar tarp to protect against pistol projectiles and shrapnel, maduros bodyguards in venezuela had some too during a drone attack +--- 57869677 +>>57869640 +I hope they took it out of your paycheck +--- 57869711 +>>57869614 +China/Russia +--- 57869731 +>>57869677 +is this how they do it in america? +they didnt but i had to clean it up +ever tried to clean up several liters of oil on textured floor tiles? its punishment enough +--- 57869732 +>>57869677 +based +--- 57869751 +>>57869731 +I was kidding >>57869731 +In some places yes +Most, no. We aren't so hard up that they punish honest mistakes. + +>t. worked at a pool company where boss docked $5 everytime you showed up with shirt untucked +He was a nice guy though, IDK if he ever actually followed through. Was probably just a threat +--- 57869794 +>>57869330 (OP) +Security detail did a better job this time than last. If only Shinzo had guys like this.. +--- 57869795 +>>57869624 +pretty standard gear for security these days +--- 57869810 +>>57869640 +>>57869677 +>>57869731 +>>57869732 +>>57869751 +I once burned out a hotel room after cleaning the fire place and letting an ember fall. I didn't even lose my job because I was adamant about taking responsibility when offered an easy out like +>are you sure you didn't do it? +I insisted it was my fault. Telling tge truth gave me immunity over stupidity. Insurance paid. +--- 57869819 +>>57869795 +>wear the greyman orange turbin, sir +--- 57869828 +>>57869614 +this is 100% normal east asian behavior. they have always had weird extremists with bizarre and obscure beliefs who end up assassinating government leaders +--- 57869848 +>>57869614 +China and Japan had a very good relationship. Trade was high and Japanese pop culture was very popular in China. + +Then Abe and his party took control and immediately began saber rattling and started claiming and putting military hardware on Chinese islands. Things went to shit after that +--- 57869855 +>>57869848 +Implessive +--- 57869859 +>>57869348 +Hes a bodyguard for the pm retard, his first priority is to protect the principal. +--- 57869872 +>>57869640 +>>57869640 +One time i was buying a big 20 lb sack of rice and the girl put the sack in a plastic bag. I went to pick it up and the handles ripped. I reacted superhumanly and snatched it out of mid air as it was falling. The 80 year old woman behind be actually said "wow did you see that?" to the cashier. Another time, i was at the beach and a gust of wind blew my towel off my shoulder and i stuck my foot out behind me and caught it. + +All well and good, but finally, another time i was at a fart party where the toilet had overflowed. No one in the frat gave a fuck so the whole floor of the building was covered in bout 1/4 inch of piss. My friends and i were throwing around a beach ball and the guy next to me dropped it. I tried to stick my foot out to save it from the piss puddle but made contact 1/2 a second too late. It, now covered in piss, rocketed off my foot, dipped/swerved like a david beckham free kick, and slammed some girl right in her face. She started crying but only me and my friends knew who had done it, so then after that we just went to the basement to smoke weed. That's where we were when the cops raided the party and gave everyone underage drinking citations. We hid there for about an hour until they left and completely got away with everything. 10/10 spring fling +--- 57869889 +>>57869872 +>a fart party +--- 57869912 +>>57869330 (OP) +This guy is drenched in pussy juice right about now. Meanwhile the virgin bomber is railed in prison. +--- 57869916 +>>57869614 +--- 57869942 +>>57869872 +>be at six flags +>riding Nitro for the 100th time because everyone is on that new Superman ride that sucked +>form a friendship with fellow Nitro enjoyers and ride operators +>going down one of the later loops and see a brown object floating in the air +>comes shooting toward me +>reach up and snatch it without thinking +>it's a wallet +>everyone that sees it goes wild +>see guy cars ahead turned around pointing at me cheering +>get off ride and give dude his wallet back +>his name was Desmond +>everyone clapped +That was almost 20 years ago, but those strangers I rode with I would still call friend. +--- 57869948 +>>57869889 +It's 2023 bro +--- 57869967 +>>57869942 +That's fucking awesome +--- 57869991 +>>57869848 +you sound angry. +--- 57870022 +>>57869848 +ay lmao + +More like winnie the pooh took control of wasteland china. +--- 57870031 +>>57869848 + +>Chinese islands +>chink fuckwit +--- 57870195 +>>57869872 +>a fart party +H..hot? +--- 57870205 +>>57869614 +japanese nationalists say no to woke usa +--- 57870222 +>>57870205 +>japanese +funny way of spelling chink agents +--- 57870501 +>>57869848 +Nobody likes you, fuckwit. +--- 57870560 +>>57869795 +>>57869631 +>>57869641 +How is it used? Seems very impractical. +--- 57870614 +>>57870560 +You can see it in the end or in youtube. While folded it looks like a inconspicuous briefcase, but after unfolded in less then 2 seconds it has the size of a torso, with 6 of them you can protect a VIP from 360º. +--- 57870695 +>>57870205 +>say no to woke usa +Why? So they can continue to be neets forever? +--- 57870915 +>>57870560 +Pretty simple; you unfold it and try to cover yourself and more importantly the VIP from the blast with it. It's quite effective against small explosives that rely primarily on shrapnel instead of a blast wave. +--- 57870981 +>>57869872 +>underage drinking +>at university +Wtf? +--- 57871005 +>>57870981 +legal drinking age in US is 21, most kids start college at 18 +--- 57871031 +>>57869916 +He’s a stealth RINO, but I doubt he has those kind of connections. +--- 57871090 +>>57871067 +Seems pretty easy to fix, just let in more immigrants +--- 57871118 +>>57871067 +>seething this much +--- 57871131 +>>57871118 +no babies +--- 57871136 +>>57871090 +Or generously subsidize households with kids, and crack down on their insane work culture. +It’s “the reward for success is more work” but on crack. +--- 57871185 +>>57871005 +That's retarded. +--- 57871339 +>>57869614 +Shinzo Abe was actually the former prime minister, he resigned due to health reasons. +Please fuck. +--- 57871434 +>>57871067 +Their mating ritual is disgusting so it's no surprise that birth rates are falling +--- 57871452 +>>57869848 +China is literally saber rattling at all countries at all times. Imagine living next to them, its like Mexico but for Asia +--- 57871487 +>>57869848 +implessive +this post made me realize that china is not weak but is very strong +--- 57871505 +>>57871136 +>>57871434 +The sexual drive, cut off from natural outlets like a loving wife and home, will latch onto any stimulus it can. +Signs of a broken psyche. +--- 57871520 +>>57871067 +i actually don't know what more they can do +my sister in law had a kid and she had a year of maternity leave paid for by the gooberment +she has an extremely flexible work schedule that is mostly work from home anyway +the local city provided a lot of baby products and baby education classes for free +i guess maybe free childcare? but then at that point what is actually on the parent to provide? +--- 57871532 +>>57869751 +>>57869677 +Wage docking is illegal though. +--- 57871540 +>>57871185 +Enough studies have been done that show alcohol, THC and most prescription anti depressants do a lot of damage to developing brains (under 25). I'm fine with 21 being the legal limit if that applied to other shit that can ruin a person's life including being able to join the military at 18. +>in before, "I had my first drink with my dad at 12 and I'm just fine." +--- 57871543 +>>57869916 +That guy is in prison since 2021. Why is some random Senator threatening Japan with impotent Twitter rage in 2023? +--- 57871563 +>>57869848 +--- 57871572 +>>57871543 +showing off to constituents that he's a big boy +politicians gonna politician +--- 57871598 +>>57871540 +I've never really been a drinker, because I don't like how being drunk makes me feel. It still seems retarded. +--- 57871601 +>>57869640 +i'm sorry anon, that must have sucked. +--- 57871611 +>>57871031 +He doesn't, no, but it makes for cheap campaign material. +--- 57872238 +>>57871543 +Mike Lee is from Utah and dizzy driving retard is both a moron and a Mormon +--- 57872362 +>>57869848 +China’s the one saber rattling because they’ve been under humiliation for the last century or so. Japs got pacified by WWII loss and shifting focus to economy, but before that, they actually got their shit together. They rapidly modernized and set up industry, and became a dick swinging regional power. It’s only the last 20 years that China finally got back onto the world stage in any meaningful way and now they want to swing dick to make up for their perceived century of humiliation. +--- 57872498 +>>57869795 +>>57869330 (OP) +whats their absolut peak level of training, tactics, price of them? Are they choosen based on what criteria? I mean they are literally dying for you rite so. +--- 57872561 +>>57869614 +This is a resumption of the norm for japan +--- 57872581 +>>57869640 +>>57869872 + +Since we're telling cool stories + +>Be me +>Basic training +>Doing double time march with platoon from the field back to the barracks, windy as fuck +>Tilly hat flies off my head +>Guy 2 rows back swats it with his hand, bounces in front of the guy behind me +>He boot kicks my hat up, I catch it and put it back on my head, all mid jog without anyone breaking ranks +>I'm in one of the rows right at the front of the platoon so basically everyone sees this hacky sack hat retrieval +>Platoon lets out a little cheer +>Sergeant tells us to shut the fuck up + +I still remember that one bros +--- 57872651 +>>57869916 +>>57871543 +the navy officer fell asleep at the wheel and slammed his vehicle into two japanese people, killing them +--- 57872653 +>>57869794 +Why did /ourguy/ Abe have the B team? It’s not fair bros…he just wanted his nation to be strong and his people have sex. +--- 57872667 +>>57870560 +>unfold +>place between bullet and VIP +simple as +--- 57872728 +>>57869942 +Based Nitro enjoyer +--- 57872923 +>>57871434 +How do they throw up that much?? +--- 57872943 +>>57872581 +Kek based +--- 57872976 +>>57872581 +>>Platoon lets out a little cheer +>>Sergeant tells us to shut the fuck up +--- 57872982 +>>57872581 +>I'm in one of the rows right at the front of the platoon so basically everyone sees this +God you must have felt on cloud 9 all day after that. +--- 57872985 +>>57872653 +they actually take their jobs seriously now that shit happens +like all the safety guidelines that get ignored in the workplace are suddenly in place again because someone forgot that lathes can eat people +--- 57872989 +>>57869640 +You tried anon. +--- 57872996 +>>57869848 +The party that has been in power, save a couple of years every couple of decades, since the end of the American occupation? +--- 57873070 +>>57872923 +separate takes, notice all the cuts +--- 57873099 +>>57873070 +Yeah but even then...it's like the scene from the sandlot +--- 57873130 +>>57869330 (OP) +>Political extremists in Japan are turning to assassination as a means of changing domestic and international politics +it's such a beautiful thing to see nature healing before our very eyes. Looks like they are finally starting to get over those two nukes +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXVlt7AOPsc [Embed] +--- 57873225 +>>57869640 +I once dropped a big bottle of sprite in the grocery store and it shoot up like a rocket and hit an old woman standing nearby in the ankles +--- 57873241 +>>57873225 +Made me chuckle +--- 57873276 +>>57872653 +He was former prime minister, so he didn't get protection from Security Police, instead he was guarded by local police. Besides, the fact he got killed most likely reminded protection units that assassination is real possibility diff --git a/k/57869419.txt b/k/57869419.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..7c8c51034a4bfc3d8d6dc85638c6d4fbacd6cc9d --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57869419.txt @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +----- +--- 57869419 +The mk12, with mk262 ammo, is the single most versatile rifle the US has ever fielded. + +>effective to 700m +>full auto lowers for emergency use as LMG +>simple durable suppressor system +>can use “normal” ammo +>can be used in cqb if needed (even more so for mod H) + +It’s ridiculous that the US military stopped using the best, most versatile rifle it’s adopted since the garand. +--- 57869645 +>>57869419 (OP) +>If you see that mother fucker again I want you to take his fucking head off +>Yessir +--- 57869842 +God I love toob. +--- 57869847 +I have a mk12 clone in 556, thinking about making a pseudo mk12 in 308. +--- 57869876 +>>57869847 +--- 57869945 +>>57869419 (OP) +Underpowered niche DMRs are not versatile. +Mk. 12 was only popular because the Mk. 14 was a pig and we had no decent 7.62 available at the time. + +They went extinct practically overnight after the SCAR H started getting issued in 09/10. + +Now a bunch of cloners are imagining attributes and uses that are exaggerated because muh gwot aesthetics. +--- 57870160 +>>57869945 +Nah, it's a very valid rifle you bigot. +--- 57871553 +>>57869847 +So a mk11? +--- 57871579 +>>57869945 +The scar h was never really used as a DMR +--- 57872360 +>>57871579 +It can perform as one though. Scar h is the god of all modern rifles (battle rifle and assault) the only other rifles as good as them are the m4a1 sopmod, fs2000 and the tar 21 +--- 57872374 +>>57869945 +>Underpowered +will ruin anyone's day out to 600 meters and then some. +--- 57872476 +>>57872374 +Until they take cover, which most people tend to do when they’re being shot at or know a sniper is out and about. Then you’re in the same position as SAW gunners when you realize how much better a 240 is. + +5.56 is a great carbine/assaulter round, absolutely a compromise for an MG or DMR though. +--- 57872519 +>>57869847 +Dont tell anyone but they are going to announce official MK11 uppers and complete rifles in 6.5/308 in two weeks +--- 57872535 +>>57872374 +yeah, just like in those ballistic gel block videos that are 1/1 to real humans! +--- 57872571 +>>57872476 +You're trying to base an entire argument on hypotheticals. Look, the mk262 round isn't some one shot kill round. No one here is arguing that in good faith. But it's still damn accurate up to 800m. I wouldn't try to kill anything past 500m, unless you wanna go chasing whatever it is you shot at. But it'll fuck what ever it is's day up. 500m in, I can reliably hit center mass with little to no wind. With a 30 round magazine. With as much STANAGS as i can carry. So yes, it is very muuch a potent platform when used appropriately and responsibly. +--- 57872853 +>>57872476 +what's your argument? you think 7.62 just shoots through your typical cover? +--- 57873108 +>>57872853 +7.62 will not deflect as easily as 5.56 through foliage and concealment, and it will absolutely chew through materials like cinder blocks, mud walls, cars, etc. while still retaining better terminal ballistics, yes. diff --git a/k/57869707.txt b/k/57869707.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..952db0cfc1f7d77ef1894811f1a84867586c9c42 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57869707.txt @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +----- +--- 57869707 +>On first sighting mines, I naturally gave an order to drive over them. That's my style sir. +--- 57869754 +ok +--- 57869789 +>>57869707 (OP) +>Major Honganovich saves the worst for last. He says you lost Hostomel airport. +>The fault was not mine, sir. The VDV must answer! +--- 57869804 +>>57869789 +>The VDV answered with their LIVES! +--- 57869807 +>>57869789 +The VDV will pay for its failure by failing even harder until every military aged male in Russia is given a little blue hat and is shot to pieces on the most retarded and wasteful operation that the Russian brass can think of +--- 57870473 +The ability to abandoon three tanks per minute. diff --git a/k/57869733.txt b/k/57869733.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..845209bcf8b0f887c1b6f6f3fe144dbd46b4bd29 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57869733.txt @@ -0,0 +1,25 @@ +----- +--- 57869733 +https://twitter.com/AndreiBtvt/status/1647527083646615552 +--- 57869740 +nice cope bricks +--- 57869743 +>>57869733 (OP) +kek, is this even safe for the apc? +--- 57869748 +>>57869733 (OP) +I thought it never got made +--- 57869757 +>>57869743 +it's based on a T-64, so yes +--- 57870189 +ukraine must be completely out of vehicles if they're resorting to using this... it's over. hato couldn't even provide them support despite biden wasting 200 billion dollars. all in jew hands now. +--- 57870214 +not what i expected +--- 57870273 +>>57870189 +It isn't 200 billion and Ukraine isn't Russia with thousands of old APC's they have to be creative to get more APC's +--- 57871002 +>>57869733 (OP) +>>57869743 +It's an armoured recovery vehicle, not apc. diff --git a/k/57869763.txt b/k/57869763.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..aeb38897964cb6431f9082e89a84c57be55629ed --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57869763.txt @@ -0,0 +1,124 @@ +----- +--- 57869763 +VEH DEH VEH bros... WE'RE BACK! +>yesterday, new laws so no one can escape conscription +>today, guess who's back, back again? +Will he use fresh VDV mobiks as gravity bombs dropped from Tu-95s? +--- 57869770 +>>57869763 (OP) +I doubt he is still as respected by the rank and file after the last VDV was repeatedly chopped to pieces for no good military reason +--- 57869775 +>>57869763 (OP) +Vladdy sure seems determined to exterminate them. Is this some sort of "arrange for Uriah to die in battle" situation? +--- 57869783 +>>57869763 (OP) +>british +>intelligence +Pick one. +--- 57869907 +Why the fuck is there so much infighting in the MoD? +--- 57870003 +>>57869907 +The Russian MoD? +Because Putin runs a personalist government - the infighting isn't a bug, its a feature. +Basically, the big guy plays everyone off against everyone else and ensures that the only way to get ahead is by relying on his patronage. This means that everyone in Putin's government is constantly under threat from their contemporaries/subordinates and thus relies on Putin to stay in the game which makes him (and him alone) indispensable. +It's an extremely reliable method of securing ones power base in a society without rule of law and an extremely poor method of waging war in the modern age +--- 57870188 +>>57870013 +top zozzle +--- 57870207 +>>57870013 +>Russia's corpse troops, the VDV +--- 57870211 +>>57870003 +Lincoln also used the Cabinet of rivals concept to run his government. The difference was that they did not steal nearly as much and were chosen for their competence rather than not being a coup threat. +--- 57870228 +>>57870013 +Beautiful translation work. +--- 57870234 +>>57870211 +I'd argue the critical factor there is rule of law +Lincoln's ministers competed amongst themselves and played politics, sure. But no one was ever at any real risk of being thrown out a window and old honest Abe probably wouldn't have been willing to turn a blind eye to any corruption either +--- 57870246 +>>57869763 (OP) +They are now bringing back the guys who can mount a defense against an enemy that's superior to them. +--- 57870251 +>>57870013 +One of the best translations as of late. +/k/ salutes (you), you magnificent bastard +--- 57870259 +>>57870013 +>retarded from the heat in January +--- 57870261 +>>57870013 +Excellent decode, well done. +--- 57870323 +>>57870013 +--- 57870327 +>>57870013 +10/10 +--- 57870381 +>>57870234 +>old honest Abe +That's the tyrant who locked up (alleged) political enemies without trail and suspended basic rule of law due to bullshit 'national emergency' claims - right? +--- 57870442 +>ruining a great bongoclock thread with some bullshit whining +Commit sudoku at your earliest convenience. +--- 57870478 +>>57869763 (OP) +Russians perpetually look drunk lol +--- 57870625 +>>57870478 +godfather? +--- 57870653 +>>57870013 +--- 57870855 +>>57870013 +Kek +--- 57871297 +>>57870478 +>hard times create drunk slavs +>drunk slavs create hard times +--- 57871326 +>>57870013 +--- 57871328 +>>57870381 +yeah temporarily detaining a few secessionist state-level politicians and not letting secessionist propaganda publish freely is peak tyranny +--- 57871344 +>>57870013 +top kek +--- 57871347 +>>57871328 +Doesn't it directly contravene their first amendment rights? +--- 57871447 +>>57871347 +Sure, yet he got congressional backing and the scope of the suspension was fairly limited. It was lifted after the war's conclusion and the people detained under its provisions returned to regular life. Hardly the actions of a tyrant, but rather a prudent course of action from a leader trying to keep his nation from fracturing. The confederacy did the exact same thing but nobody bitches about tyrant Jefferson Davis clamping down on free speech because this argument is just a convenient way to try and label Lincoln as an oppressor to justify secession. +--- 57871493 +>>57870003 +I hate this image because it doesn't use Skaven verbal tics +--- 57871554 +>>57871419 +bye bye mandickhead! +--- 57871569 +>>57869763 (OP) +DROP EM +--- 57871625 +>>57870013 +Magnificent +--- 57871980 +>>57870013 +>Teplinsky is one of the senile +--- 57871991 +>>57870625 +Tempo +TEMPO +TEMPO +--- 57872381 +>>57871347 +Nah, they forfeited their rights when they seceded. Remember the Constitution only applies to citizens, and they were by their own admission not citizens at that point +That's the best part about social contracts, when you voluntarily void your end of the bargain, it becomes rules of nature, baby! Law of the jungle! +--- 57872382 +>>57870013 +/k/ stands for /k/ryptography +--- 57872563 +Progozhin thinks the Pentagon leaks are a psyop. Is it possible the west is trying to fool russia into believing Ukraine has no air defense, or is it his attempt to remain relevant and not fall out of a window? diff --git a/k/57869873.txt b/k/57869873.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e74c217c9b4aed5a7813d3e0f84ea4a14307ccba --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57869873.txt @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +----- +--- 57869873 +Prove that you are a true /k/ommando and id this piece of kit. +--- 57869886 +>>57869873 (OP) +ur mom vibrater +--- 57869910 +It looks like a nose radar from a fighter jet. + Note the rubber shock mountings and what looks to me like the wave guides from the magnetron. + + I’m guessing 10cm band? + +Amphenol connectors…I HATE repairing those things! +--- 57870047 +>>57869873 (OP) +Why the fuck do you own an aircraft radar system? +--- 57870059 +>>57869873 (OP) +yeah that's a F-U5KY A-M44D4 radar +--- 57870401 +>>57870047 +SHALL +--- 57870472 +>>57869910 +Close, but not right. + +>>57870047 +Not an aircraft radar + +>>57870401 +Country is Finland +--- 57870488 +>>57869873 (OP) +fuckmachine wihtout anal probe +--- 57870510 +>>57869873 (OP) +EM crowd control device? +--- 57870550 +thats a FAMAS +--- 57870696 +Nuke from Golden Eye +--- 57870899 +That's a gaydar +--- 57870912 +It's a radar, for your moms vagina. +--- 57871001 +>>57869873 (OP) +I want my own radar controlled ada system +--- 57871299 +>>57870510 +Nope. It is a lot older piece of kit from SU. +--- 57871325 +Is this some radar ripped from a missile? +--- 57871345 +>>57869873 (OP) +submarine radio system +--- 57871382 +>>57870472 + Hmmm..SAM Missile tracking and targeting radar? + + I would expect the shock mounting to be an all-around affair, unless this chassis is just something meant to transport and store this thing. +--- 57871386 +P-15 Termit anti-ship missile active seeker head radar and guidance electronics. That's in Binland :DDDD +--- 57871441 +>>57871386 +Yeah, seems like you got it right. +--- 57871457 +>>57871386 +Bingo fren +--- 57871468 +>>57871386 +:DDDDDDDDDD +--- 57871489 +>It's not normal to take anti-ship missile guidance radar into the sauna with you, but in Finland it is +--- 57871515 +>>57869873 (OP) +I have seen this thread half a year ago +--- 57871535 +>>57869873 (OP) +It's a gaydar and the frame turns blue in the physical presence of faggotry +--- 57872541 +>>57869873 (OP) +I think its a water filter diff --git a/k/57869944.txt b/k/57869944.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9feb19494b84b44c0f52410a065e54c994c78637 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57869944.txt @@ -0,0 +1,31 @@ +----- +--- 57869944 +Reminder: plates restrict your movement and the most important thing is to stay mobile +--- 57869976 +This is the western special forces in Ukraine? +--- 57870002 +Just fuck off already with your airsoft picture bait threads. +--- 57870095 +Reminder: OP is a faggot +--- 57870283 +Seething fatties itt +--- 57870299 +Just do your research on treating gsw + +cheap book + + +HTTPS://www.amazon.com/Tactical-First-Aid-Wounds-Shooting-ebook/dp/B088JDLZTX?&linkCode=ll1&tag=quickdiy02-20&linkId=23a7af84b9d0a521b4b8ca9b571c91db&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl +--- 57870312 +>>57869976 +2 Ruble have been deposited in your bank account, comrade +--- 57870333 +>>57869944 (OP) +>pussia is losing to THIS +lmao +--- 57870350 +>>57869944 (OP) +Always remember, agility, training, and flexibility beat everything. +--- 57870426 +>>57869944 (OP) +i tried to loose some weight recently. what works best for me is to stay busy (i used to eat when simply bored), reduce the size of my meals and just do fun activities. If you are fat but into airsoft keep going, it makes you run and sprint etc diff --git a/k/57870008.txt b/k/57870008.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f3d4a7051d89f14704f4aebd423e44eb00f4cebd --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870008.txt @@ -0,0 +1,49 @@ +----- +--- 57870008 +>Officers don't suffer grievous casualties when leading from behind +"Such callous men! Ordering others to die in their place!" +>Officers suffer grievous casualties when leading from the front +"What horrible tactics and army organization! It shows the lack of initiative and training of your average trooper by needing to place such men at the fore." + +So like, what's the correct method then? +--- 57870020 +Winning. If you lose whatever you did is going to be called retarded. +--- 57870051 +>>57870008 (OP) +Correct method for winning the hearts of hippie hobos/elite bankers criticizing the military men as dumb, stupid animals? +Idk a baton to the head is probably the only way. +--- 57870062 +>>57870008 (OP) +Leading from the front and not getting fucked up. Aka "winning". Something the russians are not familiar with +--- 57870201 +Don't suffer grevious casualties +--- 57870575 +>>57870008 (OP) +Lead from the front without suffering grievous casualties, the hato way +--- 57870637 +>>57870008 (OP) +>So like, what's the correct method then? +the first method is romanting and wrong +the second one is repugnant but right + +officers shouldnt give a crap what people think about them, if you cant handle a little blowback because you did your job then you probably shouldnt be in the field at all +officers arent foot troops and shouldnt pretend to be, they need to step back and assess the situation strategically not tactically +the big picture not the small steps, soldiers have SGTs to lead them in the field + +discretion is the better part of valor +--- 57870655 +>>57870008 (OP) +Junior officers in the front, senior officers in the rear. If you're losing a lot of people higher than major to combat then you are doing something very wrong. +--- 57870991 +>>57870008 (OP) +>"Sir, the word 'Go' should never be in an officer's vocabulary." +>Rifleman Thomas Plunkett. [He mean that the officer should have said "Come with me".] + +Leadership by example is the best form of leadership. And even if a general isn't exactly leading a charge on an enemy bunker, part of the job would entail inspecting positions at the front, which can be very dangerous. +--- 57871273 +>>57870991 +Once upon a time Kings and Lords lead in the wars they started +We should never have stopped selling commissions. . . +--- 57871323 +>>57870008 (OP) +>what are company vs field grade officers diff --git a/k/57870056.txt b/k/57870056.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..7dd2c2aa65ccece36d3d7b55fa9d073ae4d4e468 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870056.txt @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +----- +--- 57870056 +handguard by Cotton Branch Customs. buttstock by Benelli. +--- 57870158 +>>57870056 (OP) +I want wooden furniture for my M4, except like this +--- 57870173 +>>57870056 (OP) +its still kinda ugly. You'd need to refinish it with a glossy blue and remove the rail to really make it work. +--- 57870186 +>>57870056 (OP) +Wow, it looks worse, amazing job. +--- 57870282 +>>57870056 (OP) +>big retard bolt release covered in engraving +--- 57870298 +>>57870173 +--- 57870314 +>>57870173 +I like it the way it is. + +>>57870282 +what? it's bone stock except for the wood. +--- 57870341 +>>57870056 (OP) +Beatiful. Too bad the handguards don't match the color and grain of the benelli stock +--- 57870365 +>>57870298 +fuck you, rails + wood is awful and matte + wood is even worse. +--- 57870376 +>>57870341 +yeah, I'll have to check how to improve on that. I'm happy for now. +--- 57870417 +>>57870365 +nah, ur ghey +--- 57870425 +>>57870376 +>check how to improve on that +make them both from the same piece of wood and make sure you keep an eye on the grain when you're shaping things so you don't fuck it up. +--- 57870551 +>>57870425 +way too expensive to build everything again from the ground up. +--- 57871292 +>>57870376 +Get a similar piece of wood and try out some stains before giving it an oil finish. +--- 57871439 +>>57871292 +both were alread completely finished when I got them. to stain them I'd have to strip them first. pita with checkering. maybe I'll strip the handguard and stain it sometime in the future, but first I'll wait to see how it ages. or I'll ask josh from cotton branch for an unfinished set. buying a better fitting set will probably be the easiest route. I didn't have a buttstock yet when I ordered the handguard. +--- 57871456 +>>57870551 +I'm just telling you how to do it correctly. +--- 57871465 +>>57870056 (OP) +Looks great man good job, don’t listen to these other noguns little faggots in here. +--- 57871499 +>>57870056 (OP) +I like it OP. Shotguns and wood belong together, just like these tactical fuckers giving you shit naturally pair with cocks in their ass and mouth. +--- 57871502 +>>57870056 (OP) +It looks ugly +--- 57871518 +>>57871465 +How is it no-gunz to point out it looks like piecemeal shit since the wood grain and stain isn't matched? + +You can have complementary mismatched grain/color, but that isn't really what the OP has going on, it just looks a bit amateurish. +--- 57871546 +>>57871518 +Yeah no shit retard, it’s a one off custom piece it’s not going to be perfect, it’s not like restaining the handguards to match is impossible you autistic fuck. +--- 57871570 +>>57871546 +>it’s a one off custom piece it’s not going to be perfect +That's even worse, if you're doing something custom you can EASILY get your grain and wood stain to match, the fact it ISN'T matching is even more laughable if the whole thing was done custom. +--- 57871614 +>>57871546 +I think you’re a bit fucking retarded with backwards logic. +The fact that its a ONE OFF CUSTOM PIECE means that extra care and attention should have been given to it, not just slapped together like they have no respect for the gun or the wood or the craft. + +How much did you pay for that lazy shit? $600? +--- 57871942 +>>57871614 +negro, as said the buttstock is a factory original Benelli and the handguard is by cottom branch custom, because the latter is the only one I know of who makes wooden handguards for the M4. of course I could get both parts hand carved by a blind master craftsman from a singlr piece of 300 year old wood, if I was willing to spend whatever it takes. but I'm not. I wanted to spend a reasonable amount of money and effort on a wooden furniture M4 and the result is good enough for the time being, with some room for improvement. +--- 57872113 +>>57870056 (OP) +I don't like the rail, but looks great otherwise. +--- 57872124 +>>57870056 (OP) +I think it all looks fine. The 2 tones of wood and rail don’t bother me. Any anon who whines too much over this is an autistic stickler. diff --git a/k/57870069.txt b/k/57870069.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..359e831c0da0e3c0388fb87838cbf0a7049798f7 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870069.txt @@ -0,0 +1,34 @@ +----- +--- 57870069 +How is it possible for bodyguards to be this fucking bad? +--- 57870082 +Indian +--- 57870092 +who were they and why +--- 57870094 +>>57870069 (OP) +Have you ever worked with an indian company? +Yeah +--- 57870097 +>>57870069 (OP) +What do the curry runes say? +--- 57870105 +>>57870069 (OP) +>implying they weren't in on it +--- 57870120 +These guys were notorious gangsters apparently, the cops were probably secretly glad they got lynched. +--- 57870131 +>>57870069 (OP) +I mean, RFK was shot a point-blank like that, too. Crowds are a fucking nightmare to move a VIP through, specifically because of how close everyone is to you while at the same time having limited visibility to spot a concealed weapon being drawn. +--- 57870203 +>>57870069 (OP) +For a second I thought the camera guy was shooting him too +--- 57872187 +>>57870120 +Notorious gangsters? What did they do? Took the poo to the loo? +--- 57872295 +>>57870203 +They were appeared as media personnels and many of them are saying the cops were involved and he's a muslim gangster so they have to take him out +--- 57872452 +>>57870105 +seems like they were tbphwaoy diff --git a/k/57870084.txt b/k/57870084.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..105f3f05358df6e9f7426feb4accdaa23b84dbe2 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870084.txt @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@ +----- +--- 57870084 +I have a glock 19 but I want a metal frame pistol as well +--- 57870101 +Glock 17 +--- 57870165 +>>57870084 (OP) +The S&W 5906 and Target Champion were very nice metal framed 9mm pistols, solid as a brick, too. +--- 57870216 +1911 +Just give in +--- 57870226 +>>57870084 (OP) +CZ75, accept no substitutes. +--- 57870517 +>>57870084 (OP) +browning hi-power or beretta 92 +--- 57870584 +>>57870084 (OP) +no +--- 57870876 +>>57870226 +This. And you can accept some substitutes. +--- 57871130 +>>57870084 (OP) +>I have a glock 19 but I want a good pistol as well +ftfy +--- 57871164 +>>57870084 (OP) +Sig P226/229 diff --git a/k/57870157.txt b/k/57870157.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d93bce9e6942584f8af16bd43274eec4212c9392 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870157.txt @@ -0,0 +1,59 @@ +----- +--- 57870157 +Got a whole bunch more and different packs. Gulf War 2.0 from Tools and Desert Storm Pro Set which I think is also Topps. +--- 57870171 +This is the Desert Storm set. One pack this time. +--- 57870182 +Backs +--- 57870198 +These ones are strange. +--- 57870217 +I got a ton of these and 8 more packs in case next Sunday I don't go to the flea market. +--- 57870345 +Sorry, a few did not get rotated. +--- 57870391 +Fuckin phone makes me out to be a liar. +--- 57870938 +good effort anon +--- 57871218 +>>57870938 +There are doubles but these show a frozen moment in tech in a fun way. There has to be other cards for other wars. This is a natural side hobby for /killers, and super cheap too. Then you get to laugh at cards that cover strange shit like the act of wearing NVGs as a card. +--- 57871266 +https://www.ebay.com/p/1909159572?iid=165208513410 + +This is a gigantic set and it doesn't cost much. Pure fun because nobody will make sour faces about opening them. +--- 57871306 +>>57870171 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Ouellet + +A submarine hunter gets a card in a desert war with a subless military? +--- 57871348 +>>57870198 +I laughed at how the constitution got a card when I opened these. It's a weapon now I guess. +--- 57871360 +>>57870217 +First reaction to this pack was laughing at the smug glowie. +--- 57871375 +>>57870253 +The Bush card was my favorite, like "awwwww". +--- 57871391 +>>57870289 +No clue why the transportation secretary got a card. I would think he is only domestic. +--- 57871413 +>>57870406 +I hot a hug from George Pataki's daughter once while he was in office so I was happy I got this card. +--- 57871810 +>>57870171 +>lining up the tanks +lel +--- 57871824 +>>57870198 +can you give a close up of this one? Does it say that hungary reached the baltic? what the fuck +--- 57871869 +>>57871824 +--- 57871900 +>>57871869 +Maybe they mean when Jogaila's dynasty ruled both Poland and Hungary? Weird statement either way +--- 57871935 +>>57871900 +Two weeks ago when I got my first pack one said "Wearing the Night Vision". I've never seen basically just a verb get a card. diff --git a/k/57870176.txt b/k/57870176.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9c908cc9468f8f2749c963aebc73ff23f893183d --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870176.txt @@ -0,0 +1,25 @@ +----- +--- 57870176 +What does /k/ think about the Mujahadeen? I’ve been fascinated with them lately. +--- 57870714 +>>57870176 (OP) +Based +--- 57870753 +>>57870176 (OP) +Studying their tactics, mentality and ideology is mandatory for any western white male. If we want our race, culture and religion to survive the global government we must be just as fanatical and determined. +--- 57870807 +>>57870176 (OP) +They look weird when they are intact +--- 57870826 +>>57870176 (OP) +Tribal/warlord oriented people who are very primitive and only see the world from their their tribe/clans benefit. + +Very hard to motivate and get them to work together unless you can unify them over a common interest, and even then their cooperation is very limited. + +People like Massoud were/are a rare unifying personality, and one that only lasts for so long before they’re killed from infighting or assassination, at which point the whole thing unravels almost instantly. +--- 57873306 +>>57870753 +Basado + +>>57870826 +Reddit spacing diff --git a/k/57870213.txt b/k/57870213.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..2607f4986a38b53a1130defafda8a0eb3697eb07 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870213.txt @@ -0,0 +1,34 @@ +----- +--- 57870213 +Attic that keeps on giving. I wonder is it safe to shoot. +--- 57870220 +>>57870213 (OP) +Only one way to find out anon. +--- 57870221 +>>57870213 (OP) +There is only one way to find out.. +--- 57870347 +>>57870213 (OP) +Just hit record BEFORE who try it +--- 57870803 +NEULICH HAB ICH AUF DEM DACHBODEN EINE KISTE ENTDECKT + +DIE HAT GROßVATER '45 DA VERSTECKT +--- 57871943 +>>57870213 (OP) +>keeps on giving +what else was up there, anon? +--- 57871996 +>>57870213 (OP) +Can you open the bolt? +If yes open it and remove it, check if the barrel is obstructed in anyway. +If not try chambering a round +--- 57872016 +>>57870803 +Wenn ich das sehe, bin ich echt sauer. +--- 57872049 +>>57870803 +>>57872016 +--- 57872116 +>>57870213 (OP) +Remember to put in your spiciest handloaded cartridge first to clear the barrel out. diff --git a/k/57870267.txt b/k/57870267.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e6332ed4cc1bef6ba7a9c72594ff643f52e223ed --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870267.txt @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +----- +--- 57870267 +>Taiwan is unlikely to thwart Chinese military air superiority in a cross-strait conflict, while tactics such as China’s use of civilian ships for military purposes have eroded U.S. spy agencies’ ability to detect a pending invasion, according to leaked Pentagon assessments that contain troubling details about the self-governed island’s ability to fend off war. +>The assessments state that Taiwan officials doubt their air defenses can “accurately detect missile launches,” that barely more than half of Taiwan’s aircraft are fully mission capable and that moving the jets to shelters would take at least a week — a huge problem if China launched missiles before Taiwan had a chance to disperse those planes. +>The classified documents addressing a potential conflict suggest China’s air force would have a much better shot at establishing early control of the skies — a strategy that Taipei itself believes will underpin an attack — than Russia did in Ukraine. +>One assessment notes that the PLA’s modernization, its heightened operations tempo and the use of civilian ferries in exercises in the Eastern Theater Command near Taiwan are “eroding” the U.S. intelligence community’s ability to detect abnormal activity and preparations for “an attack on Taiwan.” +oof + +https://archive.is/NPpeU#selection-461.0-499.345 +--- 57870310 +>>57870267 (OP) +How the fuck is using civilian ships in an attack not an internationally recognized war crime by the way? You're giving the enemy cause to just shoot every civilian vessel they can and setting a precedent that could get random fishermen blown up around the world. +--- 57870330 +>Taiwan is unlikely to thwart Chinese military air superiority +You sure about that buddy? +--- 57870361 +>>57870267 (OP) +>moving the jets to shelters would take at least a week — a huge problem if China launched missiles before Taiwan had a chance to disperse those planes + +lol gg no re +--- 57870431 +>>57870267 (OP) +So I'm just gonna drop this here like I do in every thread on this subject +China cannot invade Taiwan without first constructing a mulberry style artificial harbour +The construction of an artificial harbour cannot be concealed, nor can it be disguised as anything else +There is no use case for such a harbour outside of supporting an amphibious landing, so it will only be constructed in preparation for the assault +Therefore, we will know for certain that an invasion of Tiawan is coming at least a few months in advance, if not earlier. +Therefore +--- 57870460 +>>57870310 +It basically is to everyone but evil despots, but people don't want to cast shade on China until they jump the gun, it's all part of the tenuous balancing act between China vs West, cause both sides know they'd hurt from decoupling (but China moreso) +--- 57870463 +Also from US intelligence: +>>57845827 → +and +>>57845830 → +--- 57870486 +>>57870267 (OP) +>china wants taiwan +>therefore china will use missiles to blow it up +very big brain take +>Taiwan can't compete with Chinese air force +wow it's a good thing there's another air force that can that moves all around the world on funny boats with big flat football fields on top of them +--- 57870689 +>>57870267 (OP) +doesn't Taiwan already spend like 25% of it's military budget maintaining it's airpower. + +I don't really see how the can improve anymore. +their land army already sucks dicks for spare change. +--- 57870724 +>>57870267 (OP) +Good fuck the US and its lapdogs. +--- 57870931 +>>57870267 (OP) +PLA airframes don't last a minute in the air, you won't even need AA +--- 57870983 +>>57870267 (OP) +VELY implessive +--- 57871247 +>>57870310 +>>57870460 +You two are fucking retarded. +US employ civilian assets all the fucking timing. + +https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104583/civil-reserve-air-fleet/ + +Seriously, stfu. +--- 57871315 +>>57871247 +there is a difference between using civvie planes to ferry personel around the country and using civvie ferrys as erstaz landing craft +--- 57871369 +>>57871247 +>Flying people around during peace time is equal to using civilian crafts during an invasion +A happy Ching Chong to you too +--- 57871416 +>>57871369 +CRAF was used during OIF and AFG, not to mention GS for moving assets into the AOR you dumb fuck. That’s LITERALLY STAGING THE INVASION. +--- 57872181 +>>57870460 +The more time passes the more I'm genuinely concerned that China puts the gun to its own head and Xi is retarded enough to go "lol autarky will totally work this time" +--- 57872934 +>>57870689 +Isn't the Chinse strat basically wear out the Taiwanese air assets? Since Taiwan can't do major maintenaces in house they'd have to sent the jets to wherever they could. diff --git a/k/57870280.txt b/k/57870280.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..252b98fb0c940d86b81779098d13e317f9a75467 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870280.txt @@ -0,0 +1,350 @@ +----- +--- 57870280 +Some vatniks who don't mind living under a nazi government in Germany are putting Russian flags on the destroyed Russian tank and Ukrainian ambulance at the freedom museum in the Netherlands. + +I'm going to rip their flags off and I thought it would be good to plaster some chimputin memes on the tank instead because I hate these fucking cavemen Russians. + +Please post your best Chimputin memes and I'll stick them on the tank tomorrow to piss off the vatniks. +--- 57870301 +based but I don't have any +--- 57870311 +Based. + +I only got the basic monkeputins. +--- 57870315 +>>57870280 (OP) +What does this have to do with weapons you cock sucking tourist +--- 57870319 +>>57870280 (OP) +--- 57870332 +>>57870315 +It's about a tank. A tank is a weapon. +--- 57870334 +>>57870315 +what would a tank be classified as anon? +--- 57870337 +>>57870280 (OP) +Doing the Lord's work +--- 57870343 +>>57870332 +>>57870334 +You aren't here to talk about tanks you are here just to make another trash political thread +--- 57870352 +>>57870343 +Sneed. +--- 57870353 +>>57870280 (OP) +What exactly do they think is the message they are sending with this kind of stunt. It's a one of your own destroyed tanks and an ambulance, not really the sort of things you'd want to drape your flag over. +--- 57870383 +>>57870280 (OP) +>>57870319 +All those cunts should be deported to their murderous shithole +--- 57870388 +>>57870343 +tldr for anons post +>waaaaahhhhhh +>boo hoo +>stop posting things I don't like +--- 57870392 +>>57870280 (OP) +Based. It's like those mexicunts who come here (because their homeland is a shithole), wave their flag around, and loudly proclaim how much better Mexico is. They then have the nerve to throw a bitch-fit when you suggest that they leave. +--- 57870422 +Please post chimputin ordering vatniks to die. +--- 57870436 +here a few picture +--- 57870490 +>>57870315 +It hurts you mentally, the post itself is a weapon. That's why it made you cry. +--- 57870493 +>>57870440 +I would like to rub that picture in the face of Vatniks who are safe from being mobilized, but normal kids visit that museum too so I'm not gonna put up any gore. +--- 57870503 +>>57870476 +This is good. Give me more sad, under-equipped mobiks. +--- 57870522 +>>57870503 +>sad, under-equipped mobiks +Could have just said "mobiks" +I'm not sure if picrel is mobiks or donbabweans +--- 57870532 +>>57870440 +Is he going to be okay? +--- 57870559 +>>57870522 +That one guy looks well equiped +--- 57870571 +>>57870493 + +flex your arse kike. some questions are incoming!! +--- 57870577 +>>57870493 +ah, i see. well, shame, but i understand. fuck zigger diaspora, they should be excommunicated or hanged. +--- 57870592 +Putin murdered 300+ Dutch citizens on that Malaysia Airlines plane and you still allow Putinists to safely breathe oxygen there. Fucking cucks. +--- 57870606 +>>57870559 +For an african army in the 90's maybe +--- 57870645 +Any chance you could attach a screen looping a gif? +--- 57870659 +>>57870645 +second this +--- 57870673 +>>57870659 +The secret grandson of Bandera. +--- 57870676 +>>57870571 +Sorry, no schizo vatniks allowed. Please mobilize yourself and fight for your ideals. +--- 57870693 +>>57870280 (OP) +These lumps of meat are the dictionary definition of “bydlo”. If you see any tomorrow, call them “bydlo-pidorasy” and record their reactions. If you have problems with being homophobic the just call them “rusnya”. Either they will chimpout or they will meekly hurry away to the safe space of their diaspora district. +--- 57870790 +>>57870503 +The weird thing is that this short guy pic came out early in the beginning of the war, he's not even a mobik then. Maybe he was a separatist +--- 57870793 +>>57870280 (OP) +Please add pic related. +--- 57870804 +>>57870793 +Will do, post more vatnik-related memes. +--- 57870817 +>>57870280 (OP) +--- 57870827 +If there's other people, just openly attack them verbally and rip off the pro-russian shit. + +Tell them they're going to jail for supporting an illegal terrorist regime and if they start shit, punch them as "self defense", they're rabid vatniks after all. + +Damage their vehicle, pop the tires, key the paint, even break the windows. These fat fucks need to learn their place in NATO countries and elsewhere in Europe. +--- 57870829 +>>57870804 +--- 57870838 +>>57870823 +>lefty faggots +So you consider yourself right-wing but support Russia? This is why we should still have firing squads for traitors. +--- 57870843 +>>57870804 +here's one just for armatard +--- 57870845 +>>57870827 +Is the butthurt due to hemorroids, AIDS or surprise anal? +--- 57870850 +>>57870280 (OP) +one I made a few years back +--- 57870857 +>>57870823 +Nah, Lefty would simp for Komrade KGB. +--- 57870858 +>>57870850 +Lol, I remember seeing that from way before the war +--- 57870859 +>>57870804 +don't forget the tigers +--- 57870861 +would this still count as kid friendly? +--- 57870866 +>>57870353 +>What exactly do they think is the message they are sending with this kind of stunt. It's a one of your own destroyed tanks and an ambulance, not really the sort of things you'd want to drape your flag over. + +"We remember the terrorist acts of our war criminals and support them, in a foreign country, in their face". + +They refuse to accept responsibility for the crimes of their nation, they should be punished for such things. +--- 57870871 +>>57870859 +>mfw there are more tigers in America than the rest of the world combined +--- 57870877 +If they drove in via car, anon, quick set epoxy resin or superglue works wonders in door and trunk locks. +--- 57870879 +>>57870804 +--- 57870882 +>>57870353 +>What exactly do they think is the message +It's not about the message, it's about receiving the money +--- 57870892 +>>57870877 +A brick through the windshield will also do in a pinch +--- 57870896 +>>57870871 +Fuck you Carol Baskin +--- 57870905 +>>57870804 +I hate russians +--- 57870908 +>>57870877 +>2023 +>anons car opens with a key manually +Lmao wtf bro +--- 57870909 +>>57870280 (OP) +le calssic +--- 57870926 +>>57870280 (OP) +--- 57870936 +>>57870804 +some moskva because why not +--- 57870940 +>>57870532 +yeah he needs only two more aspirins +--- 57870948 +>>57870571 +>Russian Holy Place +But it's not Russian holy place +--- 57870957 +>>57870908 +they're vatniks anon, they're probably rolling in some shitbox like that scooby-doo-mobile +--- 57870963 +>>57870804 +starving granny +--- 57870984 +>>57870280 (OP) +--- 57870989 +>>57870957 +I take it back, your probably right. + +Can't OP just plaster the Oryx kill count stats all over the Tank +--- 57870993 +>>57870804 +--- 57870997 +>>57870936 +Nice, good idea, will definitely stick it on. +--- 57871000 +>>57870319 +>Dont climb on the tank +>Kids climb on the tank +Rebellen, door en door +--- 57871011 +>>57870989 +Give me good pics and I will. +--- 57871047 +>>57871000 +>Dangerous due to sh + +Pretty sure it continues "(sh)itty design" +--- 57871059 +>>57871011 +I'm computer iliterate, pls spray Boris Johnson was here on the T62 and god speed anon +--- 57871066 +>>57870571 +>>57870948 +It's...complicated. Basically, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church under Metropolitan Onuphry (UOC) is a semi-autonomous jurisdiction of the Russian Church. The Kyivan Lavra was their property by rights. Onuphry in a very courageous man who has denounced Vlad's invasion, denounced Patriarch Kyril of Moscow, and basically severed all ties between Kyiv and Moscow, religiously speaking. That Onuphry was appointed Metropolitan of Kyiv and Ukraine was strange, as during the '90s he was very much a vocal supporter of full Ukrainian Autocephaly. +Zelensky has handed the Lavra over to the Orthodox Church of Ukraine, which is a non-canonical jurisdiction created by the Patriarch of Constantinople as part of his pissing match with Moscow. It was created in a unilateral manner that circumvented all Church tradition and heirarchy. Basically, the TLDR is that Onuphry is a hero, Zelensky needs to stop screwing around in Ecumenical affairs, and the Patriarchs of Moscow and Constantinople both need a good St. Nicholas slap. +--- 57871104 +>>57870392 +To be fair, your average Mexican is better than most Russians. +--- 57871107 +>>57870280 (OP) +This is absolutely crazy. I wish I could be there to give those vatniks a beating +--- 57871133 +I hate vatnigger diaspora so God damn much +--- 57871134 +>>57870693 +Bring some lads if they chimp out and give them a compelling nonviolent argument as to why they should go back to Russia. +--- 57871288 +Just scrawl "RUSNYA, KEEP WALKING. THIS IS A EUROPEAN NEIGHBORHOOD." on the tank. +--- 57871336 +>>57870422 + +These are typical examples of the dysgenic sub-humans that call you "mutts" on the internet. +--- 57871383 +BTW, does anyone know when Rusnya will be banned from western countries? Maybe their own government will do the favor for us with this new electronic draft-paper system they are enforcing. I am sick of seeing their tourists in my country. +--- 57871482 +>>57870804 +--- 57871510 +>>57870280 (OP) +I would love to see this one there op. +--- 57871527 +>>57870845 +What Avdiivka doing? +--- 57871529 +Also here's the classic +--- 57871530 +Just get some lads and beat them like they deserve +--- 57871561 +Tomatoes are a nice non-lethal option, tomato is hard to wash off from clothes, same with blueberries. Also if you have in your stores swedish fermented herring (surströmming, smells like hell) are also a good option for pouring over their car seats. +--- 57871566 +>>57870315 +>"ohh no! this post isn't specifically about a 9mm or ar-15. I have to say something about it" +Faggots like you are obnoxious. +--- 57871610 +>>57871336 +It is not like muricans are much better +Rednecks look about the same if not a little a fatter +--- 57871743 +>>57870827 +Russians are retarded, deluded and huffing copium which is why they aren't really that butthurt. In their minds they're really winning and there's nothing to worry about. +Which is why the original butthurt belt is much more accurate, as Finns and Balts are still butthurt over being fucked by Russia, Poland is butthurt over being fucked by both Germany and Russia (and just fucked in general), Czechs/Slovaks are sort of butthurt over being fucked by the rest of Warsaw Pact at behest of Russia, Hungary is still butthurt over Trianon and that they bet on the wrong horse during WW2 and Balkans are butthurt over mutual genocide and other nations (US) stepping to stop that genocide. +--- 57871761 +>>57871743 +Wouldn't it be in russias benefit to be nicer to the butthurt belt to stop them from being butthurt? +--- 57871798 +>>57870332 +>>57870334 +Is the discussion about the tanks, or is it another thread intended to dump NAFO memes. +--- 57871812 +>>57870280 (OP) +>I'm going to rip their flags off and I thought it would be good to plaster some chimputin memes on the tank instead because I hate these fucking cavemen Russians. +Peak reddit +--- 57871814 +>>57871761 +Russians don't really think about benefit. They think that they're entitled to half the world at least, which includes the butthurt belt because it was either part of Russian Empire or a Soviet puppet, not to mention most of it contains their "Slavic little brothers". +If we go further there's also even Roman Empire wewuz spirit to be found in Russia, as capturing Istambul/Constantinopole was a huge goal for Russia ever since medieval times. Moscow is the Third Rome and all that. +--- 57871836 +>>57871743 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn1ofPOM634 [Embed] +--- 57871846 +Make sure to include our best buddy. +--- 57871868 +>>57871743 +>Russians are retarded, deluded and huffing copium which is why they aren't really that butthurt. In their minds they're really winning and there's nothing to worry about. +Which is why the original butthurt belt is much more accurate, as Finns and Balts are still butthurt over being fucked by Russia, Poland is butthurt over being fucked by both Germany and Russia (and just fucked in general), Czechs/Slovaks are sort of butthurt over being fucked by the rest of Warsaw Pact at behest of Russia, Hungary is still butthurt over Trianon and that they bet on the wrong horse during WW2 and Balkans are butthurt over mutual genocide and other nations (US) stepping to stop that genocide. +--- 57871887 +>>57871336 +Well yeah. It's all projection anon. Euros all look like this now, they seethe and say "At least we're not Amerimutts" between their mouth fulls of imported McDonalds. +--- 57871952 +>>57871836 +And then they got fucked by Poles who basically took over all their shit and reduced Lithuania to a tiny ass chunk, which is why they're butthurt over Poland to this day. +>>57871868 +The Russian pig thing is really low effort and clearly made by someone who doesn't understand anything about Eastern Europe at all. +Calling Ukrainians pigs, hohols works because their traditional hairstyle, oseledec, is likened to a pig's tail by Russians. +Funilly enough (except vatnik, which is mostly gaining attention through exposure to internet and western sources who primarily use that one) the most common slur for a Russian in East European countries is pretty much just calling them Russians (Muscovites), which should tell you something about how deeply they hate Russians. +--- 57872009 +>>57870436 +what a beautiful cople, I bet they are a blast to be around +--- 57872021 +>>57871952 +I like "orc," since it was clearly making Russians mad but for whatever reason no one's using it any more. I guess people are just too pussy to slur and dehumanize their enemies any more. +--- 57872169 +>>57871952 +>which should tell you something about how deeply they hate Russians. +Ask the finns, they have some funny words for em. +--- 57872230 +>>57871059 +"Boris Johnson wuz 'ere" would be kinda funny +--- 57872278 +>>57871066 +>that circumvented all Church tradition and heirarchy. +The Russian church is a heretical schismatic abomination managed by the KGB. They do not exist de jure. +--- 57872767 +>>57871812 +>Shitting on a subhuman group of immigrants is... Le bad +--- 57872808 +>>57870280 (OP) +>be Russian living in Germany for a better life +>still have family in Russia +>family member gets kidnapped by Russian thugs and taken to war in Ukraine +>gets artilleried on WW1-esque battlefield +>put flowers and flag on tank for family member +>some edgy internet warrior faggot takes it off for meme points on Ugandan basket-weaving forum +Unironically kys. +--- 57873008 +>>57870280 (OP) +That’s about all you’re capable of big man. I bet your average Russian is just terrified. Terrified! + +#moralstickervictory +#avoidrussianirlatallcosts +#bonespurs +#NAFOwillwinbytweetingevenharder +#notevenmyfinalform +#LGBTwinsagainstartillery +#freedomtobedelusional +#ihaveatrannysoul +#trannystrong diff --git a/k/57870421.txt b/k/57870421.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..2dca376eb9c97f433affccef1f9283db4c6aa829 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870421.txt @@ -0,0 +1,35 @@ +----- +--- 57870421 +>Ukrainian Defense Intelligence personnel have mastered and use in combat operations the legendary American Black Hawk helicopter +>"The Hawk impressed me with its reliability, ease of control and combat survivability," says one of the flight engineers. According to him, Ukrainian crews mastered the Black Hawk extremely quickly - in a matter of hours. +>"With our experience in the Mi-8 and Mi-24, we flew the Black Hawk on the first day we received it. We simply got in, and took off", says the engineer. +>"Over the last year, the level of our pilots has increased significantly. Now Ukraine can easily adopt about a hundred Black Hawk multirole helicopters, about 50 Apache attack helicopters and about 40-60 Chinook cargo helicopters - and this with minimal time to retrain our pilots," says the first pilot of the helicopter, that goes by the call sign "Maestro". +>"I'm not saying we have all these I just listed, I'm just saying we've been able to adopt them," "Maestro" adds. +>According to "Maestro", this Black Hawk is already active in combat operations, including in enemy territory. +--- 57870459 +>>57870421 (OP) +>>I'm not saying we have all these I just listed, I'm just saying we've been able to adopt them," "Maestro" adds. +--- 57870528 +okay i googled it +>ukraine has only 1 blackhawk +>crew literally crowdfunded it and bought from some private org due to restrictions from US government +the fuck? why US government has any restrictions on blackhawks? i get it about atacms/planes and shit, all this escalation bullshit but a fucking transport helicopter from the 80s? and it looks like ukraine is not asking them for free, they're willing to buy. +if there's some logic behind US strategy i don't fucking get it. +--- 57870546 +>>57870528 +Taliban got blackhawks lol +China got blackhawks +--- 57870586 +>>57870528 +USA is retarded. One Ukrainian guy who's connected with procurement said outside of using American credits to buy American MIC stuff they have no plans of ever buying anything from USA due to amount of restrictions put in place if you buy something. When at the same time T*rks will sell equivalent equipment with zero restrictions, they literally don't give a shit what you're using their weapons for as long as you buy it +--- 57870677 +>>57870586 +>have no plans of ever buying anything from USA due to amount of restrictions put in place if you buy something. +Wait until he learns that F-35 ignition codes have to be requested from Pentagon for every flight. +There is no bigger sign of a country being utterly cucked and quite literally and unironically being on cum pipeline life support than purchasing it ahead of own industry. +--- 57870680 +>>57870586 +US bureaucracy is retarded, at the same time when we sold stuff to literally any one in the middle east it inevitably ends up in the hands of goatniggers or what ever Mossad trained insurgency is operating at the time, at least theres proxies on proxies when Taliban pops up with new M4s and night vision, to out right do it without all the red tape would be political suicide for the president and congress. +--- 57870697 +>>57870677 +proofs? diff --git a/k/57870467.txt b/k/57870467.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..175995a263c30ccbb768a6b1e5fc94807a811ed4 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870467.txt @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +----- +--- 57870467 +>manlets can't oper-ACK + +APOLOGIZE RIGHT FUCKING NOW +--- 57870485 +>>57870467 (OP) +you are a worthless retard +--- 57870496 +>>57870467 (OP) +A race of 2-3 foot tall people could build way cheaper vehicles and aircraft that could still be quite lethal. Their housing and transportation prices would also be very low, so they would have a killer economy. They would be able to hide way better and would be extremely lethal snipers. + +Only problem would be civilians occasionally being grabbed and eaten by hawks. +--- 57870527 +>>57870467 (OP) +Why do I get the feeling they just practically let anyone be SOF in the old days..they say the new generations are soft, but from the beer belly Seals in '03 Iraq, to oompa loompa SF in Vietnam, I'm not so sure. +--- 57870539 +>>57870496 +Unless they're fantasy dwarf, their productivity will not match normal human, so they will get meme'd on early by other races and become a colony/shithole before reaching modern age +--- 57870772 +>>57870527 +it's a mindset +--- 57870856 +>>57870527 +I mean there's a lot more to SF than lifting heavy things. The muscles nowadays are more fashion than anything else. +--- 57870885 +>>57870856 +Not really fashion, it’s more boredom than anything. +>deploy +>stuck on FOB all day waiting for next mission +>bored +>might as well pump iron +Not too different from prison in some ways. +--- 57870941 +>>57870467 (OP) +Manlets are the best warriors/operators/soldiers you retard +--- 57870959 +>>57870527 +>soft +Idiot retard who doesnt know what soft is +--- 57871053 +>>57870467 (OP) +We agreed no Oddjob, you cheating bastards +--- 57871083 +>>57870467 (OP) +>quad rails in Vietnam +>the hands +fake and gay +--- 57871149 +>>57870527 +It's been documented that SOF selection across all branchs in the U.S Military are harder now than they were in the past, I mean a lot of them didn't even have to go through a "try out" just volunteer and be willing to do risky shit. Just look at Johnathan Idema, arguably based, but still a soft ass poser at the end of the day, still made it through q course. +--- 57871194 +>>57870496 +>Inchlings +The POWs of those people will be turned into dressup dolls as a form of pseudotorture. They will wear cosplay and they will make silly poses before being their videos are shared on Twitter on a good day. +--- 57871309 +>>57870467 (OP) +i like how the midget has the longest barreled gun +--- 57871775 +we never said that +/k/ has always been of the opinion that manlets are the best suits for modern soldiery + +lurk more please +--- 57872023 +>>57870527 +Green berets back in the day were heavily foreigners for multiple reasons. They were best described as 'weirdos' compared to the regular army, and during and after vietnam they really didn't have the cachet that they do now. Its hard to explain, since we look back on those times though modern lenses, and not the PoV of someone in the Army choosing their career path. + +There was something similar with the SAS, where standards went way up after the Iran embassy siege simply because there were so many recruits. +--- 57872032 +>>57871309 +He's just standing far in front of everybody to make him look bigger. The barrel of the guy to his right is photoshopped in front of him to sell the ruse(I can tell by the film grain) +--- 57872132 +>>57870856 +Holy mother of cope neverserved. +--- 57872261 +>>57871083 +Could've been as prototype he was testing out and there's plenty of genetic freaks in the service. Ever seen the NASA task force dude with the ayylmao long head? +But given AI image stuff these days, I also can't confirm the pic. Richard Flaherty is real though. +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_J._Flaherty +--- 57872420 +>>57872261 +It's about 20 years too early for it to be a prototype (the SOPMOD program that the rail is a part of only started in 1989) but it's still a good enough photo that I can't tell if it's AI-generated or a group of airsofters (more likely, given the little details). +--- 57872445 +>>57870496 +>>57871194 +Those are just east Asians. +--- 57872471 +>>57870467 (OP) +Operack? +--- 57872495 +>>57870467 (OP) +Magpul stock in Nam? +--- 57872510 +>>57870467 (OP) +AI images are going to be used to push so much fake history +--- 57872518 +>>57870467 (OP) +you literally need them to be tunnel rats +--- 57872531 +>>57871083 +Also another guy has a B5 sopmod stock so its just a bunch of airshitters +--- 57872566 +A lot of the guys SOG worked with were 90lb 17 year olds. They were still excellent soldiers. diff --git a/k/57870497.txt b/k/57870497.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8d404c512ef4ba36720cf2b15a5ecf5879bf7344 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870497.txt @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +----- +--- 57870497 +>.950 JDJ is the most batshit insane gun in the world +Do /k/ agree? +--- 57870514 +>>57870497 (OP) +Nope. +>The smaller gun is a .50 BMG anti-material rifle. The larger is the 20mm Anxious rifle with over 4 times the muzzle energy of .50 BMG. +--- 57870516 +>>57870497 (OP) +Stupid boomer shit. 100lb rifle you shoot from a bench. +--- 57870530 +>batshit insane +Nah plenty of more crazy designs like the g11 +Convincing the ATF to class it as a hinting rifle was impressive though +--- 57870536 +>>57870514 +--- 57870547 +>>57870514 +>anxious rifle +its called an anzio but yeah seeing that would make me pretty anxious. +--- 57870595 +>>57870536 +30mm rifle in Yemen. +--- 57870600 +Maybe rifle, but I think the most insane handgun is the .500 bushwhacker. +--- 57870628 +>>57870595 +>Not using 80mm +--- 57870641 +>>57870595 +If it needs a tripod, it's progressed from a rifle into a light artillery piece +--- 57870682 +>>57870641 +You're saying I can't own a 305mm recoiless rifle under current laws? +--- 57870685 +>>57870514 +950 JDJ is a ~38,000 ft/lbs cartridge. What’s 20mm? I think less than that, no? Or am I confusing it with 14.5x114? +--- 57870713 +>>57870685 +The 20mm Anzio rifles eclipse that by 10,000ft/lbs +--- 57870718 +>>57870595 +>Scope on a riser +What a hypebeast fag. +--- 57871393 +>>57870497 (OP) +I'd rather have a 4 bore personally. +--- 57871408 +>>57870682 +punt gun got nothing on that thing. How many ducks do you reckon you could shoot at a time? +--- 57871528 +>>57870497 (OP) +No. + +20×180mm > 24.1×70mm +--- 57871544 +30mm rifle when? +--- 57871568 +>>57871408 +All of them +--- 57871620 +>>57870497 (OP) +>Do /k/ agree? +No. Don't agree with >>57870514 either. Even if it's "only" 50bmg, I think the GM6 Lynx is a crazier design. +>HEY GUIZ! WHAT IF SOMEONE WANTS 50BMG... FOR CQB??? LET'S MAKE IT A RECOIL BARREL BULLPUP! +could have been a keltec design, has that delightful cocaine energy. +>https://youtu.be/fYxtV9BkGeI?t=24 [Embed] +Don't care for or watch gt normally but that opening montage is hilarious. +--- 57871693 +>>57871620 +The cyclic rate is slow enough, it might even be semi-controllable in full auto +--- 57871791 +>>57871693 +Needs a double stack mag. +--- 57871854 +>>57870497 (OP) +not even close +--- 57871860 +>>57871791 +Seems like a reasonable trade-off +--- 57872157 +>>57870685 +>>57870497 (OP) +The 950 is your normie "extreme big gun". Ultimately it's just a fattened 20mm (I mean that literally, it's case is made from a 20mm case widened) that has a stumpier projectile and moves slower. I don't think there's a single scenario in the world where I'd rather hit something with a 950 than it's parent cartridge, which will likely penetrate deeper, and shoot flatter + +If you're looking for real "weird big guns", there's the 14.9 SOP, which fires an extremely long projectile at over mach 3, I think it was designed specifically to set records, and the bullet and the rifle look very strange so that's fun for novelty. + +There's also the rare and oddly named "20/50" cartridge, which is basically the opposite of the 950, instead of fattening a 20mm case up, it's necked down to 50 caliber to create a kind of "super 50BMG" cartridge that can handle longer projectiles, more velocity, or both, it's hard to find solid information on it. + + +My favorite is this, a custom built modern-powder using muzzleloader that hits like a small cannon. The based boomer that invented it makes like fifty hour rambling videos about his builds and supposedly he's actually hunted with the thing, taking the heads off of animals from across God's half acre. +https://youtu.be/po0mMMM1prA [Embed] +--- 57872844 +>>57870685 +>>57870713 +It’s ft*lbs you illiterate morons diff --git a/k/57870499.txt b/k/57870499.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d042cc54055051ed4018258792b6c8bfd29ac17a --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870499.txt @@ -0,0 +1,358 @@ +----- +--- 57870499 +>The originally planned first delivery in 2035 is "no longer feasible," according to a confidential report obtained exclusively by Capital. The reason for the delays is a dispute between governments and involved companies + +>Due to a deadlock in negotiations between Germany and France, the development of a joint main battle tank is taking longer than planned. This is revealed in a confidential report from the German government to the Bundestag's budget committee, which is available to the business magazine Capital (issue 5/2023). Due to "several years of delays in the original program plan" in the Main Ground Combat System (MGCS) project, the intended initial delivery of the new tank in 2035 is "no longer feasible," according to the February report. The new system is to replace the Leopard 2 main battle tanks in the German Army and Leclerc in the French Army. + +>The MGCS project stems from plans for closer armaments cooperation dating back to 2017. At the time, France's President Emmanuel Macron and then German Chancellor Angela Merkel (CDU) had named six joint arms projects - including MGCS and the development of an ultra-modern air combat system. For the Future Combat Air System (FCAS), the governments agreed at the end of 2022 to launch the next phase of the project. +--- 57870505 +Looks really stupid but also kinda cool. +--- 57870512 +>In the case of MGCS, on the other hand, the governments in Berlin and Paris and the companies involved, KMW, Nexter and Rheinmetall, continue to wrestle over the question of who will take the lead on which components for the new tank. In its confidential project report to the budget committee, the German Defense Ministry admits that it has "still not been possible to find a solution" to the "issues that have been disputed so far." According to the report, in four of eight central "technology fields" it is still disputed which country should call the shots in each case and which company will be the prime contractor. According to an agreement between the governments, Germany is to have the overall lead in MGCS, France in FCAS. + +>Specifically, the dispute at MGCS centers on several sensitive components for the new tank. According to the government report, German negotiators are pressing for "visible leadership" from domestic industry on certain "key German technologies" such as the tank gun and protection technologies. However, there are "concerns" among the French about German leadership or partial leadership in the main armament, it said. + +>As the Defense Ministry acknowledges in its report, the lack of agreement on the division of all work packages is blocking all progress in the development project. When asked by Capital, it did not comment on the current status of MGCS. 1.1 billion has already been earmarked for the MGCS project in the special assets for the German armed forces. +--- 57870521 +>>57870499 (OP) +Lets see which one comes first, FCAS or MGCS +--- 57870526 +>The negotiations are also complicated by competing interests in the industry. The German-French holding company KNDS, in which the Leopard 2 manufacturer Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW) and the French state-owned Nexter have joined forces, and the Düsseldorf-based arms manufacturer Rheinmetall are fighting for the MGCS contracts. + +>Rheinmetall CEO Armin Papperger also expects the Franco-German main battle tank to be delivered much later than previously planned. "We will probably end up with the first delivery in 2040," he told Capital. Papperger assured that the company's own Panther main battle tank, which Rheinmetall surprisingly unveiled last summer, is "not a competing product" for MGCS. In view of the threat posed by Russia, there is already high demand for main battle tanks: "The market is there now, not 20 years from now," said the Rheinmetall CEO. For MGCS, he expects a market potential in Europe of several thousand units. "In the meantime, we want to sell as many Panthers as possible," Papperger said. + +https://www.capital.de/wirtschaft-politik/deutsch-franzoesischer-superpanzer-kommt-spaeter-als-geplant-33363634.html +--- 57870541 +>>57870499 (OP) +What are these squares on the front of the tank? Are they gonna put ERA on it? +--- 57870603 +>>57870499 (OP) +MGCS is dead. Germany will end up with leo2a8 and france will get EMBT (slightly modified leo2 hull and sligtly modified leclerc turret). It's a result of rheinmetall and kmw conflict, with kmw cooperating with nexter. French-German tank failed to materialize for the 3rd time. +--- 57870634 +>>57870521 +MGCS for sure, FCAS has already been delayed to a post 2050 delivery. Tanks are faster and easier to develop than aircraft. +--- 57870642 +>>57870603 +MCGS is a long-term project +Leo 2A8 is a mid-term project +France also has the Leclerc XLR upgrade going on for the mid-term, not EMBT + +but yeah, Franco-German "cooperations" are shit in general because France is a shit partner, that was already true during the Eurofighter/Rafale development or during the Boxer/VBCI development. + +Merkel was just a retard who refused to join the UK and Italy again for the next fighter due to Brexit, but it would've made much more sense. +--- 57870752 +>>57870603 +Wouldn’t Germany get the Panther? +--- 57870768 +>>57870499 (OP) +dem flags +--- 57870774 +>>57870752 +They are getting 2a8 for now i belive. Panther will stay a technology demonstrator imo. +--- 57870808 +>>57870642 +The 2A8 is quite short term in military terms desu. +>>57870774 +I can honestly see some countries go for it. Especially eastern European ones. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it just ends up as a prototype to learn from. +--- 57870824 +>>57870642 +france gets forever german money plus tech as world war compensation +--- 57870902 +>>57870808 +Czechs and hungarians just bought newest leopards, romanians and poles just bought m1's, poles also bought k2's. Lithuania is eyeing for a tank but i'm 95% sure they will go for abrams to increase interoperability with their biggest allies on eastern flank - Americans, Poles, Romanians. Who else is interested in buying tanks in eastern europe except ukraine? +--- 57870913 +>>57870521 +FCAS, unironically. And I wouldn't even be surprised if MGCS just dies altogether. And no joke the reason I say this is because FCAS has an ingredient MGCS doesn't and that is Spain. +>>57870634 +That is fake news. The Dassault representative said it would take until 2050 unless they got the NGF bid fast, and they did a couple months later. And this is why I say above Spain is the reason I have faith in FCAS. It was Spain that funded its part of the 1B programs first when Germany and France were being little bitches. It was Spain that took Dassault's side on the NGF bitchfest. It is indeed Spain that has been the most active FCAS proponent and has served as tiebreaker multiple times. +People jokingly say Spain's role in FCAS is moral support. And I say they're damned good at it! Every time the big 2 have gotten back to their old habits Spain has bitchslapped them back on track, which is why FCAS debacles have so far only lasted a few months. +In comparison, there is no junior partner to beat sense into the speds on the MGCS program, and as expected every little bullshit disagreement has become eternal and the whole damned program looks like it's stalled at the very starting line. Without moral support from a smaller country that wants it to happen no matter what, MGCS is doomed to either become eternally stalled or just get dropped. Mark my words, it's not gonna happen. +--- 57870923 +>>57870499 (OP) +Why are French-German projects always so slow? I thought FCAS might have been the exception but no +--- 57870970 +>>57870923 +>Why are French-German projects always so slow? +It's a frog problem and at some point we need a let's say final solution to the french question. +--- 57870980 +>>57870923 +German's are the worst bureaucrats on the planet and the French can't handle making concessions so they argue and negotiate terms endlessly +--- 57870982 +>>57870642 +>but yeah, Franco-German "cooperations" are shit in general because France is a shit partner, that was already true during the Eurofighter/Rafale development or during the Boxer/VBCI development. +Seems like this time it's KNDS vs Rheinmetall, rather than France vs the rest. + +I may be stupid, but why not just take the engineers of both companies who probably all speak English, and have them work together on the tank. Like, instead saying "I do the gun, you do the engine" you simply pool together all the engineers working on the gun, engine, hull, etc... ? +--- 57870986 +>>57870923 +German Industry: "I AM THE BEST, GIVE ME THE MONEY!!!" +French Industry: " NO, I AM THE BEST, GIVE ME THE MONEY!!!" +> repeat ad nauseaum. +But as for FCAS, as I mentioned here: +>>57870913 +With phase 1B already on its way, the program is actually within the expected timeframe for us to see it before 2040, despite Dassault's summertime screeching. So we'll see if it truly lasts longer but it doesn't look that way. +--- 57871009 +>>57870982 +And who gets the money then? This isn't about who is the best engineer (it's the germans no question there) it's about what country gets the fucking money. +--- 57871063 +>>57870541 +Grip surfaces so one doesn't slip on it and break their skull when it gets wet. +--- 57871140 +>>57870499 (OP) +inb4 it ends just like Europanzer and Eurofighter +--- 57871251 +>>57871009 +Admittedly I don't know much about R&D financing, but can't you just like, pay the engineer their normal salaries and they can work among themselves who can test what ? The reason the US have the best anything is because they got like 10 000 engineer on every single project, seems like it's the executives that are at fault +--- 57871290 +>>57871251 +Well of course it's the executives and politicians who are at fault but unless the EU decides to nationalize both countrie's industries (at EU level not at nation level) to force them to stop being speds that's not gonna stop being a problem. +Imagine every DoD project had to fight to see if businesses from Texas or California, both with state support, get the funds. It would never fucking end. +Welcome to the EU. It never fucking ends. +--- 57871335 +>>57870499 (OP) +It's going to be like the Leclerc all over again : eternally delayed, way over budget, 450 ordered by France, only 380 delivered, with the budget for 450. Only 42 tanks left in service nowadays. Never used in battle, won't be able to withstand a single hit from any ATGM currently in service in Russia. +--- 57871509 +Time for America to save tanks yet again. +--- 57871559 +>>57870521 +The tank. FCAS will just be like the Typhoon program, France doing it’s own thing and Germany buying American this time instead of a European project. +--- 57871564 +>>57871290 +I mean ... Nexter is owned by France, KMW is privately owned and kept capabilities to manufacture Leos even when it would've been more advantageous financially to lower them, and they were ok with fusing together. Seems like, in this instance, while KNDS would be more ok with not getting the best deal financially and with technological secret trade, it's Rheinmetall that are being bitches. But perhaps I'm just coping. +The $100B would be better use buying Rheinmetall +--- 57871576 +>>57871335 +>Wong +Hello china man +--- 57871588 +>>57870521 +You mean which one dies first +--- 57871937 +Reminder: Don't start projects with France. +--- 57872058 +>>57871509 +>157mm +I was about to way that I'd a weird calibre, but then I remembered it's the width of NATO 120mm cartridges +>157mm CTA +dick status: muh +--- 57872110 +>>57871937 +Exactly. Tank can easily be done by Germany alone, aircraft should've been done with UK and Italy like the Tornado and Eurofighter before. But muh Franco-German "friendship", muh Brexit. +--- 57872129 +>>57871937 +>muh France is the bad guy +Reminder +>MAWS +sunk by Germany +>eurodrone +Poo'd up by Germany +>tiger mkIII +poo'd up by Germany +>FCAS +Germany can't fucking agree with what they agreed upon and constantly tries to jew it up, notably by bringing Spain onboard just to prop up EADS. +>MGCS +Ditto. SURPRISE RHEINMETAL MEIN FREUND! No it wasn't part of the agreement! +>a400m +We all know how much of a clusterfuck its development was. +Literally the last Franco-German developments that ended up going well were the Alphajet and the C-160 Transall. +That dates back to the fucking 70's. +--- 57872160 +>>57870902 +Lithuania is going to buy Leopards, screen cap this. +--- 57872172 +>>57872129 +>t. fr*g +go find somebody else to subsidize your shitty arms industry, I hope these "cooperations" fail ASAP +--- 57872216 +>>57872172 +why are you so mad deutschboy ? Mad that french optics are findin their way into the best tanks in the world ? Save yours of course. (but they are no the best) +--- 57872250 +>>57870982 +I have the solution: +Leo2A8 for Germans +Leclerc upgrade for French +Panther to cuck Koreans and Mutts with +MGCS to subsidize all three manufacturers in meantime + +Bang, problem solved +--- 57872252 +>>57872216 +Because your country is a shitty partner when it comes to defense cooperations, and Merkel was a fucking retard for agreeing to do FCAS and MGCS with you. +>Mad that french optics are findin their way into the best tanks in the world ? Save yours of course. (but they are no the best) +you mean Russian tanks that are getting btfo left and right? Leopard 2 is much more successful than Leclerc anyway. +--- 57872269 +>>57872129 +Most werhaboos don't realise this but apart from a few electronics the Germans make absolute trash and impractical weapons that are way too overhyped. G3 is trash, MP5 is bulky, hk416 is unreliable and bulky, h&k is uppity nigger company that needs to be nuked from the face of this earth. The only good German compan is rheinmetall and everybody else suck nigger balls +--- 57872293 +>>57872269 +oh yeah I'm sure a fucking pajeet knows better than most of the world's special forces and you totally aren't biased bc France agreed to sell its shitty Rafales to you bc you aren't getting F-35 +--- 57872405 +>>57870499 (OP) +Imagine my shock. +--- 57872480 +>>57870499 (OP) +You just know from looking at it that the French designed the turret on their own. +Why do they have to be so fucking gay all the time? +--- 57872558 +>>57872480 +That's what I thought too. There is too much french influence on the design etc. +--- 57872645 +>>57870499 (OP) +It honestly doesn't make sense to co-develop a new tank. +France has one company capable of making modern tanks, and Germany has two. It's not a super expensive project either, I bet KMW alone could have a real prototype (not that disgusting EMBT) done fairly quickly. And as long as everyone buys European, you'll still further European integration. + +Now the FCAS actually is expensive enough to warrant cooperation and the euros should work harder on getting along there. Unfortunately they waited too long and everyone is going to buy F-35s in the meantime. Pretty big fail desu. +--- 57872647 +German here. I hate frogs so much it’s unreal. But I hate Germans even more. +--- 57872681 +>>57872645 +it's a bone to be thrown to Germany for letting France have its way on the FCAS. But it's a shitty bone bc +1) the tank is much cheaper than the aircraft +2) Germany isn't even getting the leadership, Nexter is designing the turret and gun and screeching now that Germany says that's bullshit + +also it makes sense to have the same tank for interoperability and economy of scale + +but frogs are shitty partners that don't understand the concept of cooperation and always want their special deal anyway, we should tell them to fuck off and instead work closer with actual partners like NL, UK, US + +>>57872647 +shut the fuck up +--- 57872693 +>>57872293 +I have a question. Why for Spain did you use the naval special forces specifically, instead of the MCOE (Mando Conjunto de Operaciones Especiales, picrel) which is the equivalent to the units you used for the other countries? +As far as I know spanish special forces of all 3 branches and the military police (the GEO) use HK religiously and the MCOE coordinates all of them. +--- 57872700 +>>57872693 +I didn't make that image +--- 57872727 +>>57872700 +Welp, lol then, I also just noticed the Italian special forces are also strangely only partly represented in the same way. I'd edit it but I'm on my phone and the thread'll likely die before I get to a computer so, if thread is alive tomorrow I'll bother fixing it. +--- 57872748 +>>57870913 +It's not fake news. He explicitly said that it was now 2050 due to the delays so far. +--- 57872774 +>>57872681 +Europeans should just agree to quarantine france until it stops misbehaving like we're doing with Hungary (but to a lesser extent, don't fuck with them just don't add them to our joint programs) france has been intentionally sabotaging Spain and Portugal by refusing to let them connect to continental infrastructure networks (pipes, HSR, etc) so it'd be just desserts in many ways. +--- 57872801 +>>57872774 +Yes, I hope Spain buys F-35 too and Germany&Spain leave FCAS and join Tempest. +Then France can see how it finances its shitty Rafale+ and hope to sell it to thirdies. +--- 57872824 +>>57870499 (OP) +Any arms project involving the french ends up with delays until it's eventually cancelled. +How do people always forget that? +--- 57872850 +I wonder why Poland was not allowed to participate in this project? +--- 57872856 +>>57870603 +>leo2a8 +2AX would be the next step. A8 is just an interim solution. +--- 57872868 +>>57872850 +Did they ever ask to join? +Anyway, they have nothing to bring to the table, neither money or technology, and they're more interested in Korean tanks. +--- 57872896 +>>57872850 +Because the government consists of ultra corrupt drama queens on par with the Frogs but without the class/dignity that (usually) ensures the French keep the drama away from the public. +E.g. we haven't heard much about the conflicts that caused the delay. Polish politicians would've been screaming about it for months/years now. +That's a gigantic liability both in politics and business and not one you get in bed with if there's any way to avoid it. + +t. Big baller, shot caller, business guy +--- 57872906 +>>57871335 +>able to withstand a hit from any ATGM currently in service in Russia + +FTFY, Vanya. Same goes for any modern western MBT. Russian weapons are garbage. Deal with it. +--- 57872933 +>>57870499 (OP) +I don't understand the point of doing joint constructions like this if you can't even trust or work on equal ground with your partner +It's just ends up being a pp contest +--- 57872952 +>>57872933 +in principle it's a good idea for Euros to design joint weapon systems to take advantage of economy of scale and interoperability. However not if it means teaming up with France, who expect others to pay for French arms industry and then slap an EU label on it. +--- 57872955 +>>57870512 +>Germany is to have the overall lead in MGCS, France in FCAS. +>>Specifically, the dispute at MGCS centers on several sensitive components for the new tank. According to the government report, German negotiators are pressing for "visible leadership" from domestic industry on certain "key German technologies" such as the tank gun and protection technologies. However, there are "concerns" among the French about German leadership or partial leadership in the main armament, it said +>make best guns in the world +>even America uses a licensed Rheinmetall gun +>have the project lead +>baguettes still try to take it for themselves +Well, that's just not nice. +--- 57872966 +>>57872850 +Because they are worse than the french +--- 57872995 +People surprised by this turn of the events: +--- 57873000 +>>57872850 +You want a customer not a partner duh +--- 57873025 +>>57872801 +The chances of Spain buying F-35 are basically 0 as much as the american businessmen act as if it's a done deal. +> t. I'm a Spaniard. +Shit is. Buying F-35 would be political suicide in Spain. Why? Well, why does Spain want the F-35 or FCAS? Well, it would replace the bleeping Harriers. Why does Spain still use Harriers? Because it needs planes that can be used from carriers. So that right now leaves us with 2 notable foreign options. Either the F-35 or the naval Rafale. +But both of those are absolutely a no go. Why? Well, who is the biggest threat to Spain? Who is most likely to declare war on us? Well, discarding ourselves which... historical trends show is not too unlikely but at least for now we're stable enough. The other threat is Morocco who is still at war with the Spain-aligned Polisario and regularly threatens to invade Ceuta and Melilla plus funds terrorist groups that want to invade us to recreate Al-Andalus. +See the issue yet? Last time Morocco invaded us we were using USA planes and USA banned us from using them, which forced us to fight without air superiority and cost us a lot of lifes. +We will not repeat that mistake. We still won btw, but we'll never not be salty. +As for the french, now they're mad at Morocco we know damn well they'll hug it out as soon as the drug money starts flowing their way again. So again, complete no go. +What options does Spain have then? Well 1 is the FCAS. Which is why we're pushing so hard for it despite being a junior partner. Despite french and german involvement so long as we're part of the program we won't be subject to bullshit vetos, and we can make spare parts, we have a lot of factories which have proven adept at adapting to Eurofighter parts. So that's the "best case scenario". If FCAS doesn't work out, plan B is naval eurofighters. And taking into account suddently Spain got to the next Tranche and started updating Tranche 1 on its own, it seems they're thinking about it. Either way, no F35s or Rafale. +--- 57873040 +>>57872896 +Man the Germans are patient to put up with the French and Poles simultaneously, I can't image what a massive shit show a French-Polish diplomatic conflict would be. +--- 57873046 +>>57872966 +Idk if worse is the right word, maybe just different. +The result of cancellation would be the same, but it would all happen much faster and much more publicly. A quick death would be nice, but nobody wants it constantly being in the news. +Imagine finally making a breakthrough and then a politician demands 50% of the tanks are made in Poland or something like that because the next election is coming up. That kind of stuff might actually lead to somebody getting a writing utensil in his eye after a 48 hour negotiation session fueled by coffee and cocaine. +--- 57873074 +>>57872955 +it's typical for France +>join Eurofighter project +>consortium chooses EJ2000 over French Snecma engine +>leave +>join Boxer project +>Nexter design isn't chosen +>leave + +now they want German money to support basically only French designs with German companies given scraps and scream when Germany says that's bullshit. +--- 57873096 +>>57872868 +They asked before the korean tanks. In fact the korean tanks were a hissy fit because they got rejected, before that they were considering the Leos. Imho, they should have been left in, for the same reason I mentioned here +>>57870913 +Poland being a junior partner which needs the project to truck on would have forced those 2 dunces to stop it with the bullshit (In this case mostly the French desu.) same way Spain is doing for FCAS. But other than moral support they would indeed bring little to the table. +--- 57873104 +>>57873025 +>See the issue yet? Last time Morocco invaded us we were using USA planes and USA banned us from using them, which forced us to fight without air superiority and cost us a lot of lifes. +QRD on this conflict? +--- 57873160 +>>57873025 +Sounds like a pipe dream. I could bet Spain will be getting F-35 to replace its Harriers and F-18s, and that's a good thing. It's a good plane and all of Europe save France is getting that plane, so economy of scale will bring benefits. +--- 57873176 +>>57872952 +>>57872955 +>>57873074 +Then again it's the most kiked country in EU even more so than Germany you guys should check the wikipages for most ministers. +There's a reason the general told them off +--- 57873211 +>>57873040 +Frogs would just ignore them and then put the kind of legal and illegal economic pressure on them the EU is supposed to prevent and fuck with the Polish in every way possible on the EU level. +They're petty and don't take smaller countries seriously, but in their defence, there's nothing Poland could do about it so it would probably be an effective strategy. The European counterweight to France is Germany and Poland has actively ruined their relationship with them and spat on every olive branch offered, so they're not going to bat for them. +With Britain still in the EU they'd be an alternative and if the issue would be wider and concern EE interests they might be able to build an eastern european resistance group against France, but that's not too likely since France has the money to buy them off. I assume they'd try to go to Americs for help but Biden isn't going to fuck with America's relationship to the european key players for Poland. +So if a Franco-Polish conflict ever were to occur the current Poland would be fucked because it is too isolated and not powerful enough to survive on it's own while sandwiched between two major powers they refused to align with and nobody willing to seriously help them. +There's a WWII in there somewhere with France as Russia. +--- 57873240 +Does it mean there's a possibility of a proper Leo 3 instead of this? +--- 57873264 +>>57873104 +https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ifni_War +Spain found minerals on El Rif, Morocco and the CIA glowies wanted them. Morocco invaded Spain for them with support from France and USA. USA banned Spain from using the USA vehicles with which it had replaced most of its own vehicles due to NATO integration requirements. Spain fought with both hands tied behind its back and still beat the shit our of Morocco. The glowies got mad and threatened Spain with funding the commie guerrillas and letting the soviets puppet them so a few years later Spain gifted the land to Morocco anyway. Morocco's insane druglord and corruption issues made extracting the minerals impossible anyway. Glowies got mad but couldn't blame anyone but themselves so they just screech intermitently about it forevermore and fill Morocco with international gibbs in hopes of ever fixing it. (Seriously Morocco is by an order of magnitude the single african country which gets the most foreign aid. Think about it.) And Spain's weapons industry suddently got revitalized as they bought a bunch of outdated french shit and tried to modernize it because EVER trusting USA again was out of the menu. Then they found out they had indeed bought FRENCH shit and bought Leopards and Italian vehicles to try to fix that mistake. Because buying french again was also out of the menu. +--- 57873267 +>>57870499 (OP) +Delivery? isn't this a technology demonstrator? what the fuck are they delivering? +--- 57873319 +>>57873264 +>hurr USA not supporting Franco in a colonial war in the 50s is totally relevant to defense politics today +fucking retard +--- 57873320 +>>57873160 +And that's why USA businesses keep acting entitled and saying it's a done deal. Hint. Us spaniards are EXTREMELY stubborn. How the fuck do you think we managed to stay together after all the fucking civil conflicts we've been through? It has taken centuries of refusing to accept the basic fact we will never agree on anything to keep this god damned country afloat. And if you think we'll do something just because we'd have to be insane not to then I am sorry to tell you this but WE WERE NEVER SANE TO BEGIN WITH. And we absolutely never will stop being salty about Ifni. Every fucking time the PP tries to propose buying F-35 social media sets itself on fire and even their allies in Vox crucify them. We'd rather try and modernize the god damned Harriers all the way to 2135 than ever depend on tech the USA can veto EVER again and we are not in the business of changing our minds just because it's in our best interest! diff --git a/k/57870519.txt b/k/57870519.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..93448e40eb8b591720014ce9f08a92f454062c7d --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870519.txt @@ -0,0 +1,55 @@ +----- +--- 57870519 +After this war will the SU-57 finally be nerfed in Ace Combat 8? +--- 57871350 +>>57870519 (OP) +Still undefeated +--- 57871451 +>>57870519 (OP) +>Ace Combat +All the real men play AirForce Delta Strike instead +--- 57871840 +>>57870519 (OP) +pslm su-57 <<< qaam f-22 <<< EML SU-33 +--- 57871851 +Will the NGAD be in? +--- 57871877 +>>57870519 (OP) +Nah if anything they'll add that stupid Su-75 thing or whatever it was too. Though maybe we're safe from any real world planes that never flew at all? But at any rate the positionings are all kind of a stretch. What would be cool is a cockpit achievement and adding the F-35s fancy virtual display helmet thing. +--- 57871886 +its basically fictional anyways so who cares +--- 57871888 +>>57871877 +I'd imagine they might try gunning for the 6th gens, and maybe maybe J-20 and KF-21 +--- 57871889 +>>57871851 +Not unless it's flying and we can see a model. They have made up stuff for superplanes already, they seem to stay reasonably strict about for real aircraft. So at this stage probably no, maybe AC9. +--- 57871892 +>>57870519 (OP) +Nope, video games will continue using a imaginary version of Russia that is competent with high tech weapons +--- 57871908 +>>57871892 +Well, the game already has a somewhat competent version of the Soviet Union which can build super subs +--- 57872001 +>>57870519 (OP) +Strangereal is a completely different world, it "so happens" to use IRL designs (because fun) but beyond that should be obvious none of it has anything to do with the states of actual countries here on Earth. If nothing else purely from the fact that everybody flies everything all mixed up together with the exception of local superplanes. That Russia are total fags doesn't change that at all. Su-57 likely isn't THAT good a design anyway, but it's not a stretch to say the same design in a competent world where they didn't use phillips head woodscrews from the local hardware store to hold the thing together would be better than what we've got lol. +>>57871888 +>I'd imagine they might try gunning for the 6th gens, and maybe maybe J-20 and KF-21 +I don't think they'll use any IRL designs until they fly. I doubt they use chink ones period because it's a JP company and +>china +KF-21 I could see though. +--- 57872333 +>>57871908 +yuktobanian fucking SHITS +--- 57872379 +>>57870519 (OP) +>strangereal +>air combat +Fuck that, I want to see what ground combat is like, the old lore text of Ace Combat 4 references Belka using 10mm as their HMG round, I wonder what else is different from our world to theirs. +--- 57872444 +The Su-57 and F-22 have the exact same number of jet kills +--- 57872470 +>>57870519 (OP) +NOPE. + +They will probably switch for the next big bad which is North Korea(totally not China) diff --git a/k/57870568.txt b/k/57870568.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..30a0a421fcecced32908aaa3cfd9085622831092 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870568.txt @@ -0,0 +1,183 @@ +----- +--- 57870568 +New perun's kino is out +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUBTyAZg5OA [Embed] +--- 57870587 +>>57870568 (OP) +fuck off tourist +--- 57870609 +>>57870568 (OP) +perun and /k/ feels like 2013 /mu/ and anthony fantano +--- 57870611 +>>57870568 (OP) +based +>>57870587 +zoomer attention span thirdie +--- 57870635 +>>57870611 +>thirdie +que? +--- 57870684 +very good vid, been waiting for something like this for a while now +--- 57870690 +>>57870568 (OP) +Stop advertising here Perun. +--- 57871020 +>>57870568 (OP) +Probably explains the raids here. +--- 57871035 +Needs to be a board for /v/tubers. Now they're spreading their cancer to /k/ of all places +--- 57871074 +>>57870568 (OP) +Why does this guy create so much butthurt around here? +I have watched a couple of his videos and seems pretty decent. +--- 57871084 +Hybrid warfare is also weaponology +--- 57871201 +>>57871074 +Because it's difficult to offer a rebuttal to Perun. It's pretty accurate, very base-level, and well-cited, while offering a reality-based counter to the bullshit people spread. The butthurt have to resort to calling him a gamer, or a shill, or some other dumb thing. +Or they just spam the entire board and hope people stop discussing it. This is surprisingly effective, unfortunately coming at the expense of the entire board's quality. +--- 57871210 +>>57871074 +He's plain, simple, honest content for the midwits who need it. This enrages *oomers who think they're enlightened geniuses. +--- 57871249 +>>57871074 +He makes clear, cogent points that are very difficult to dispute +The vatniks and pajeets do not have the patience or comprehension skills to watch his videos, but they understand that he makes russia look bad so they have to do something +--- 57871296 +He should stick to weapon procurement and logistics. The last few videos have made it apparent that he really doesn't have a good grasp on other facets of warfare. +--- 57871304 +>>57871201 +They people that shit up this board don’t care for good quality, just divisive slide threads that take discussion away from other matters like Perun threads. +--- 57871313 +>>57870568 (OP) +>When you're a gaming streamer who realizes you can pump up your view count by regurgitating pro-Ukrainian news from the last month and people will trust you because the western media has everyone convinced Russia is some kind of bogeyman + +There's a reason only liberals in the US support this shit. +--- 57871340 +>>57871313 +>regurgitating pro-Ukrainian news from the last month +You've never watched one of these have you? Perun isn't The Enforcer +--- 57871356 +>>57871249 +case in point +>>57871313 +--- 57871409 +>>57871201 +>>57871249 + +>>57871313 +Q.E.D +--- 57871414 +>>57871313 + +Everyone with an internet access can look up satellite photos and CCTV footage of Russians arbitrarily executing civilians. +But you somehow deny that reality with literally nothing but Incel Slava Z telegram fanfics to back it up and you keep on defending an army of murderers, rapists and literal fucking pedophiles just to own the ukraine-supporting libs epic style. +You are pathetic, immoral, disgusting failure of a human and I wish nothing but the worst on you. + +You are a degenerate, a Communist, a traitor to both your race and civilization, and as far as I'm concerned, and you should be mercilessly exterminated with the rest of the subhuman Asiatic flood from the East that you simp for. + +I have infinitely more reason to take what this Australian streamer's word of honor at face value than your lying Russian mouth. +--- 57871517 +>>57871201 +this, vatniks and their global-south allies have nothing to counter with so they resort to name calling +sad! +--- 57871575 +>>57871414 +Man you broke him. I swear I can sense how he is furiously trying to find a way to attack peruns character instead of comping up with valid criticism of points he laid out. +--- 57871606 +>>57871575 + +Damn right I did +--- 57871643 +>>57871414 +based +--- 57871656 +>>57870568 (OP) +He's definitely the best e celeb in terms of understanding what he's talking about but the obnoxious pro ukraine bent just gets tiresome after a while and I want the vatniks to lose + +it'd be nice to get one just simple purely neutral and cynical analysis +--- 57871661 +>>57871201 +Perun and Oryx are two things they have no rebuttal for. +--- 57871685 +>>57871414 +I hate that I have to agree with the avatarfag, but damn +He's right +--- 57871691 +>>57871414 +>calling people pedos with that pic saved on your computer + +Good post but you should kill yourself regardless +--- 57871705 +>>57871656 +>obnoxious pro ukraine bent +Elaborate +--- 57871713 +>>57871414 +Based Anne Frank poster +--- 57871723 +>>57871656 +>the obnoxious pro ukraine bent +I don't think it's obnoxious, it's like complainig about an anti-rapist/murder bent when discussing something about society, you can't talk about it and not come off as criticising whatever the fuck russia thinks it's doing. +Sometimes the objective analysis leads to the conclusion that one side fucked up. +--- 57871726 +>>57871705 +It's hard to defend russia because of their notorious incompetence but he often frames almost all russian army actions as purely incompetent and not serving some sort of tactical purpose. for example he bitched about them using distractionary tactics of having soldiers take shots so other groups can move forward which yeah it is grim but it is a valid tactical move that Ukies use as well + +generally just should remove any obnoxious moralizing like that out of war reporting, it is just distracting unless you're speaking specifically on war crimes against civilians +--- 57871771 +>>57871723 +I don't disagree with this and in general Russia's actions are questionable and self defeating at best. it's moreso just compare this reporting to reports on the Vietnam War or Yugoslav wars which was much more purely factually based and left the moralizing up to the viewer. For some reason everyone feels a need to take a side in this war that effects a small portion of the world +--- 57871817 +I posted this thread earlier and the gay ass mod deleted it +--- 57871857 +powerpoint snoozefest +--- 57871924 +>>57871817 + +Mods don't like titties ((((((((( +Post pic again pls +--- 57871938 +>>57871817 +>That thumb +--- 57871959 +>>57871817 +gee I wonder why +--- 57872077 +>>57871857 +>snoozefest +Go back to TikTok, it did wonders for your attention span after all +--- 57872340 +>>57871340 +>The Enforcer +holy shit that whole thing is reddit incarnate but hard to fault him dude makes bank from the one stream i decided to watch wouldnt be suprised he gets 6 figures by now +--- 57872358 +boooooring + +show some kill videos instead +--- 57872576 +>>57871201 +it's kinda funny that this week's video basically explains the vatnik seething. +--- 57872600 +Yep, he basically explains the current weaponized propaganda. It's funny to see what he explains happen exactly in /k/ with all these low quality, often contradictory posts. +--- 57872652 +>>57871074 +That's exactly why. +Vatniks can't argue against him so they try to bury these threads with shitposts and seething. +--- 57872951 +>>57871771 +>this war that effects a small portion of the world +That completely wrong statement is why people feel the need to take sides. +--- 57873001 +>>57871661 +And Bellingcat. + +Make no mistake, they all really wish they had something like that for themselves, but it can never exist, because their side lies to much and their version of those would just be known for being lying shills within a month or they would hate them for telling the uncomforting truth. Karma is a bitch. +--- 57873194 +>>57873001 +>Make no mistake, they all really wish they had something like that for themselves, but it can never exist, because their side lies to much and their version of those would just be known for being lying shills within a month or they would hate them for telling the uncomforting truth. Karma is a bitch. +This. Their only solution is just to repeat the same lies over and over again in the hope it sticks on someone. Ideally posted in a comments section with either a clown face or crying laughing emoji. +--- 57873200 +>>57871414 +baste diff --git a/k/57870615.txt b/k/57870615.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..de646fcca69a07a32792fafe4edf25d866634bd8 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870615.txt @@ -0,0 +1,178 @@ +----- +--- 57870615 +Lazy Sunday Beretta Edition + +Git gud guide: https://bayfiles.com/96M9Ec9eue/ +Pastebin: https://pastebin.com/gs6mLNik + +Previous Thread:>>57851117 → +--- 57870794 +If caliber doesn't matter for handfuns, why isn't 380 the go to choice? +--- 57870810 +>>57870794 +because caliber does matter and always has +--- 57870815 +Are the hogue rubber 92 grip panels comfy? +--- 57870816 +Thoughts on the Walther PDP? +--- 57870930 +>>57870816 +just get the ppq +--- 57870999 +>>57870815 +Never tried the just the panels but I’m blessed to have the perfect handsize for Hogue fingergroove wrap around. I also like the Vertec wrap around (rubber wrapped around the rear to make it the old grip profile). +--- 57871013 +>>57870930 +Not the anon you're replying to, but why? +--- 57871256 +>>57870999 +Nice Berettas and trips +Should I keep waiting for LTT black cherry grips or bite the bullet and get STARS ones from LOK? I like the LTT thin profile as is +--- 57871353 +>>57871256 +Do what I did and drill a 20mm hole in the LTT thins/hogue rubbers to fit the CDW STARS medallion. To get thin profile LOK grips with the medallion is a custom order which I haven’t seen them open up the list even though they said they will (maybe filled up super fast). + +I like the LTT checkering a lot, they’re made by VZ (so is Wilson’s) so try to see if you could get them to make full-size black Cherry grips for you. Maybe even tell them to pre drill a 20mm medallion slot. + +I don’t know what the fuck is going on with my hands but I now can’t stand thin profile grips on the full-size, it’s fine on the compact but not full-size. My trigger finger goes too far in on the full-size thins. +--- 57871404 +>>57870816 +its a great gun and a marginal upgrade to the PPQ +--- 57871450 +I now want a Beretta +--- 57871488 +>>57870615 (OP) +What is the cheapest 2011 i can buy that will still function? + +I fingerfucked four or five different Staccatos recently and realized the trigger on them was as light as my normal ass turkshit 1911, i was extremely disappointed +Of course, i understand the fit and construction and additional benefits of the double stack magazine and grip makes it a better gun than the 300 dollar 1911 i already own, but not two thousand dollars better. +--- 57871519 +>>57870794 +Can't hit the FBI minimum penetration with hollow points. +--- 57871522 +>>57871488 +RIA +--- 57871558 +>>57871488 +Looks like you’re buying another RIA then. +--- 57871577 +Tired of seeing all your shitty 92fs +Post other guns +--- 57871580 +>>57871519 +since when are we trusting the FBI now? +--- 57871587 +Dot or irons on EDC? +--- 57871596 +>>57871577 +--- 57871603 +>>57871577 +Ok +--- 57871626 +>>57870615 (OP) +The anime girl looks like a character from the Jahy-sama author. +--- 57871627 +So I bought this 43 frame used offa bungroker and the trigger break was so fucking stiff I was almost pissed, but I had gotten the whole thing home for under 150 so I got to work polishing and it was still ass. $20 on ebay for a 3.5 disconnector and spring set, it's better than new. $30 comp all levelled and loc-tite'd and I have my bastardized 48S ready for a reliability test at the range. wish me luck +--- 57871641 +>>57870794 +It's always cost. Which is why I argue that topic first before going into round performance. +--- 57871648 +>>57871580 +>FBI said we breath oxygen? no that can't be true they're feds +Yeah I'm sure glowniggers are lying to everyone about the tests, the images are doctored as well. .380 is just too powerful, they don't want anyone but them using it. +You think they use 9mm? No they're the feds they're lying they're using .380. +--- 57871651 +>>57871577 +Hell yeah its peak PX4 hours +--- 57871654 +>>57871627 +the borzoi of handguns +--- 57871676 +>>57871651 +Should I send my SP-01 Tactical in to CGW for the full spa treatment? +--- 57871678 +>>57871627 +looks like a dildo in the thumbnail +--- 57871687 +>>57871676 +buy the parts and do it yourself +dont sit in the cuck chair and watch someone else oil and stone your gun's trigger bar +--- 57871694 +>>57871654 +I like it! kek thanks anon +--- 57871706 +>>57871648 +Yeah, sure thing glowie +--- 57872151 +>>57871678 +not true, it needs more realistic paint +--- 57872219 +>>57871577 +It's not a 92 +--- 57872309 +>>57871577 +There is not a single 92FS in that image homo +--- 57872319 +>>57871626 +Because it is +--- 57872334 +is the CZ 75 still good? not the sporterized ones, the basic bitch model +--- 57872388 +>>57872334 +Yeah +It was ahead of its time and CZ still makes a nice gun. Now they cost a little much though. $800 MSRP for 50 year old slashing. The fuck... +--- 57872430 +What handgun says "I am racist and have a massive penis"? +--- 57872459 +>>57872430 +any sig legion, the same way a lifted 6-wheeled pickup does both but really people know you're just compensating +--- 57872466 +>>57872430 +All of them. But maybe get a Luger +--- 57872512 +>>57872430 +--- 57872556 +>>57872430 +P38 +--- 57872757 +>sweats +--- 57872863 +442 for walter white larp (i know it's a lcr) or shield plus for summer carry? +--- 57872980 +>handgun thread +>Beretta edition +>doesn't post beretta waifu + +Shame on you. +--- 57873080 +>>57871519 +Hollow points are a fucking meme. + +>>57870794 +Because people are sheep and will blindly follow the crowd even when they know and believe evidence to the contrary. Most people are retarded sheep not fit to rule themselves. +--- 57873101 +>>57871013 +PDP is uggo. PPQ looks better and is the exact same gun. +--- 57873247 +>>57872512 +how would you draw with the kydex around the mag like that? +--- 57873249 +>>57873101 +>worse grip texture +>no optic mount standard +>doesn't Glock sights +>no free optic +>dpesmt cobe in differebt sizes or colord +Yeah I'm thinking "no." +--- 57873279 +>>57871603 +>>57872219 +>>57872309 +Butthurt little bitchfags +--- 57873280 +>>57873249 +>dpesmt +Burt's 5g "smart" handguns finally giving him a stroke +--- 57873287 +>>57873249 +Bout time you had a stroke, you fat bitch diff --git a/k/57870692.txt b/k/57870692.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a22c2440b7377159bc6ec8c3ed9480b3519a4d9b --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870692.txt @@ -0,0 +1,128 @@ +----- +--- 57870692 +Turkey launches the worlds Drone Carrier. + +The new Turkish Carrier will carry the new TB3 and Kizilelma Drones. + +Is this a game changer? + +https://www.youtube.com/shorts/g7u9khpl9eM + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zj5Ej7Vdyc [Embed] + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP3rphZFiJA [Embed] +--- 57870708 +>>57870692 (OP) +>Is this a game changer? +no, it's just cope bc they're not getting F-35. +--- 57870709 +>>57870692 (OP) +>the worlds Drone Carrier +Everyone can use it? That seems inefficient, they should have kept it for themselves +--- 57870717 +>>57870708 +fpbp +--- 57870744 +>>57870708 +>have to pick between S-400 or F-35 +>pick S-400 +Are Turks retarded? +--- 57870754 +>>57870692 (OP) +>Spends hundreds of millions of dollars in the middle of a financial crisis to build some shitty aircraft carrier +>cant get planes for it because watermelon merchant traded oil for guns with ISIS and he can't stop sucking vatnik cock +--- 57870764 +>>57870692 (OP) +Nice ramp, I didn't know Tony Hawk worked on the project. +--- 57870777 +>>57870744 + +on may 15th erdo will be voted out of office and the next president will return the s400 and receive the f35s +--- 57870789 +>>57870692 (OP) +>launches +Btu it already looks old and worn down?How? +--- 57870955 +>>57870744 +>F-35 +Anyone who he isn't the US and Israel will get scammed +>24/7 "keylogger" on the plane +>Can't use the planes against targets without the US' approval +Not to mention the sky-high maintenance costs. +--- 57871198 +>>57870692 (OP) +>Is this a game changer? +Yes. Turkey without carriers and destroyers already projected power across the East Med, the Black Sea and recently the Red Sea, but now it's another major level-up. UCAVs and helicopters can be used without needing a land-based runway or even needing significant allied forces in order to be a major factor in a conflict. + +The TCG Anadolu LHD is to be followed by the TCG Trakya of the same class (25,055 metric tonnes). They join two Bayraktar-class Tank Landing Ships (7,370 metric tonnes) commissioned in 2017 and 2018. +Currently under construction is the TCG Derya Fast Combat Support ship (26,417 metric tonnes) that should be finished in 2024. + +They will be followed by eight TF-2000 destroyers (8,636 metric tonnes) that should begin construction in the near future. +Between the LHDs and LSTs, troops and vehicles can be deployed across the region, including the Zaha MAV (Marine Assault Vehicle): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQBn_8Yu2Qg [Embed] +The Anadolu and Derya can be used as motherships for AUSVs (Armed Unmanned Service Vehicles), such as in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JklGjlu9VbM [Embed] +--- 57871264 +>>57870789 +>Btu it already looks old and worn down?How? +It was pretty much ready by mid 2022. Had been undergoing integration and seas tests since 2021. + +>>57870777 +>on may 15th erdo will be voted out of office and the next president will return the s400 and receive the f35s +Getting pushed out of the F-35 program was never about S-400s. It's about the Greco-Armenian lobby, you know the same ones that don't want Turkey to get new F-16s or their modernization kits either? +If it's wasn't the S-400s they would have used some other excuse, such as Turkey's intervention in Syria in late 2019, which is when most Western/Northern European states and Canada enacted formal arms embargoes against Turkey. +--- 57871331 +>>57870692 (OP) +Why do foreign F-35/harrier jump jet-equipped "mini carriers" have ski ramps if the american assault ships can manage with a flat flight deck operating the same aircrafts? I'm not just talking about turkey, the french and the uk and spain and italy etc. all have those fucking ramps for apparently no reason if they are gonna use STOVL airplanes anyway? +--- 57871378 +>>57870955 +Damn, 9 countries got scammed? Someone should tell them about this. +--- 57871394 +>>57870692 (OP) +It truly is the world’s drone carrier +--- 57871398 +>>57870692 (OP) + So they’re planning amphib operations..that’s why the well deck. +--- 57871423 +>>57870955 +stfu vatnigger, Americans don't sell F-35 jets to countries that will use them against US assets, also, get me a source on those claims that isn't RT +--- 57871440 +>>57871331 +Ramps are more efficient for jumpjet operations, but badly fuck up deck parking. Most affected are big helicopters and tiltrotors. Guess who's the largest user of big-boy whirlybirds? +--- 57871496 +>>57871378 +Wouldn't be the first time. Remember the lockheed scandals? +--- 57871497 +That vessel is a lemon. Based on Navantia's design, using unreliable and extremely clunky German Esipods. It's pure trash +--- 57871511 +>>57871331 +Oh, and you're wrong about the froggies. Look at a Mistral, flat deck throughout. +--- 57871512 +>>57871264 + +>It's about the Greco-Armenian lobby + +Turkey already has a F-35 fleet in storage in the US. The only condition for it's release is for the S-400's to be returned to Russia. And Turkey's F-35's will be released. + +Also the Greco-Armenian lobby can't stop Turkey's own 5th Gen Fighter Program. Turkey for sure will build carrier borne TF-X's. +--- 57871531 +>>57871512 +>the S-400's to be returned to Russia. +How about giving them to the Ukrainians? They'll make extra sure they're returned to Russia. +--- 57871578 +>>57871497 +Siemens Sipods or azipods are the opposite of clunky man, what the fuck are you smoking? +--- 57871956 +>>57870744 +It's even worse, they had to choose between Patriots and F35's vs S-400's +--- 57871976 +>>57870955 +STUFF A BAGUETTE IN IT PIERRE +--- 57872002 +>>57871956 +Wasn't he blackmailed by Puccia to buy their SAMs in order to get Puccian tourists back in Turkey? +--- 57872356 +>>57871956 + +Erdogan must be more retarded than Putin to agree to such deal +--- 57872400 +>>57870955 +It's not a keylogger, it's Denuvo. diff --git a/k/57870702.txt b/k/57870702.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..acd748a523364563a90fda0799e9169e767c6a43 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870702.txt @@ -0,0 +1,49 @@ +----- +--- 57870702 +I'm trying to design a realistic laser weapon and need to establish a baseline for the ergonomics of a weapon which requires a 5-10 cm final aperture. + +For those unaware, the diffraction-limited spot-size of a laser is determined solely by wavelength and final aperture diameter, and diffraction-limited spot-size would dictate the ultimate maximum effective range of a laser weapon. +--- 57870707 +>>57870702 (OP) +Anon you can approximate 25mm for the barrel ID and estimate by the pixels right? +--- 57870887 +>>57870702 (OP) +3 inches or 75 mm. + +If your aperture is 10mm, unless you need some sort of insulation, a protective shroud around it could be as little as 20mm in outside diameter. It definitely should have a protective shroud unless the body of the laser itself is made of a material robust enough to shrug off multiple hits over the life of the unit with zero functional effect. Even just considering the benchmark standard aluminum extrusion AR handguard, if your hypothetical is cheap enough that it can be produced en mass like the AR for $1000 for a military grade quality, it should still have a shroud. + +Consider also that too small a shroud would probably end up with some kind of wood, plastic, or even just cloth wrap to give it enough size to be comfortable to hold in the support hand, so first-gen models would see this kind of field expedient, while second gen would have a glass-filled nylon grip sleeve, porobably with a hand stop or integrated vertical grip, and it would be adjustable for position, just like the current AR/AK mlok stuff. +--- 57871671 +>>57870887 +10mm is *way* too small for a laser weapon aperture - like I said, I'm talking about 5-10 cm here. 5cm is the absolute minimum required to get 1km effective range with near-UV light (judged by minimum spot size <= 5mm). + +I attached a graph showing the minimum spot size up to 5km for lasers with a 1cm, 5cm, 8cm, and 10cm aperture, at a wavelength of 300nm (medium-wave UV). +--- 57871918 +>>57870702 (OP) +Remember than the receiver on a laser weapon doesn't need to contain the entire mechanism. The aperture can be much larger than the receiver if the receiver only contains power switches. +--- 57872050 +>>57871671 +Ah misread your op. + +1 km seems like more than would be useful for a handheld direct fire weapon. You'd have to be able to keep it perfectly still for however long it takes to get enough energy on target to do whatever you want, and at that range you'd have to be ay least mounted on a tripod, probably with geared servo aiming. Unless your hypothetical can somehow deliver enough energy instantly to be worth it, in which case 1 km is definitely within reason. + +Let's say your laser tube is 10 cm, and you issue this to general infantry, designated marksmen, or snipers. It should still have a protective shroud for any use case, but 10mm of air gap or heat and shock insulation between the tube and shroud, scaling to 5mm if the tube is 5 cm. Figure 5mm for thickness of the shroud, which should be made of aluminum or steel, not magnesium. Titanium if you want the best of both worlds and cost isn't an issue. Also not carbon fiber because it shatters when shot at. +--- 57872084 +>>57870702 (OP) +>5-10 cm final aperture +The anti-drone lasers of the modern US military are 20-30cm apertures and the various larger projects for anti-air/anti-space are typically 1-2m. +--- 57872284 +>>57872050 +This would be a pulse laser - delivering a series of nanosecond pulses over a millisecond duration to blast a hole into the target with a series of vapor explosions. + +>>57872084 +Those use very long wavelengths, which necessarily require wider apertures for the same performance. +--- 57872349 +>>57872284 +They're mostly IR because IR propagates well in atmosphere. UV doesn't. +--- 57872501 +>>57872349 +Everything up to UV-C propagates well enough in atmosphere, the problem is that with current tech you get drastic efficiency losses as you try to generate shorter wavelengths. We can only make visible and UV light at tiny fractions of the efficiency of NIR, and also using visible light would damage the eyes of anyone nearby. +--- 57873021 +>>57870702 (OP) +I think it would look more like a Javelin control unit. You want the operator shielded from blinding lasers anyway, so a total face covering makes sense. It also gives you significantly larger aperture options. diff --git a/k/57870748.txt b/k/57870748.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0da1018be4feb6b88b5b819116aa37ba8b1ccf30 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870748.txt @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +----- +--- 57870748 +Will more western militaries be more tolerant of dudeweed if they need to recruit more? When I served it was a massive deal if you smoked but no problem if you drank a fuck ton off duty. +--- 57870809 +>>57870748 (OP) +>Will more western militaries be more tolerant of dudeweed if they need to recruit more? When I served it was a massive deal if you smoked but no problem if you drank a fuck ton off duty. +They will have to, it's silly when like every under 25 year old smokes and it doesn't impair you anymore than alcohol. +--- 57870890 +>>57870809 +Weed is gay. +--- 57870925 +>>57870748 (OP) +regular alcohol use doesn't make you retarded +--- 57870965 +alcohol gives you brain damage and the withdrawals can kill an alcoholic, gb2 1985 +--- 57871012 +Would be based if they did. +--- 57871109 +>>57870748 (OP) +My Dad served in the air force in Vietnam. Nobody gave a shit if you smoked pot unless you blatantly did it in the open. +--- 57871155 +>>57870965 +>he doesn't know +Long term weed use permanently damages your intelligence up to 6-8 IQ points. + +>>57870748 (OP) +Alcoholics build civilization, potheads watch it wither away. +--- 57871463 +>>57871155 +>no, you don't understand, I work better with a few beers in me +--- 57871503 +>>57870748 (OP) +lol no +--- 57871555 +>>57871503 +>I just smoke it every day +We're talking about weed here, not cigarettes. +--- 57871592 +>>57871555 +>>57871503 +why do 99% of all weed smokers look like this? It's unreal +--- 57871637 +Probably not, it's a liability. They would have to have another massive draft like in Vietnam before they'd consider letting potheads slide. +Also, alcohol is a million times worse than weed if you're constantly consuming either of them. Burn outs still contribute a shitload more to society than drunks. Weed and alcohol are both gay. +--- 57871667 +>>57870925 +anon the kind of regular alcohol use in the military can give any man wernicke's deadass not even defending weed either +--- 57871689 +>>57871667 +Aside from memory loss, that might be a plus for must people in the military. +--- 57871756 +>>57870748 (OP) +Not until it's no longer criminalised, otherwise they'd have done it by now. Unless the military in question also have a gigantic stick up the ass regarding alcohol, then you're fucked. +--- 57872223 +>>57871503 +>>57871592 +Even if weed really wasn't addictive and was actually good for you I'd still be against it simply because every single person I know that does weed is so infuriatingly hard to be around when they're high. +The combination of acting like a retard and seeing nothing wrong with it and even developing a superiority complex around it makes me want to punch them in the face. +--- 57872249 +>>57872223 +lol like, dude, chill out and have a drag bro +--- 57872270 +>>57870748 (OP) +This guy is like an even gayer version of Bladee. +--- 57872297 +>>57870748 (OP) +Everyone in the military who is already annoying as fuck would get ten times worse if they could smoke weed. +--- 57872347 +>>57870925 +https://americanaddictioncenters.org/alcoholism-treatment/wet-brain + +Decades of drinking will leave you with nothing between your ears. +--- 57872670 +The real ticket is smoking AND drinking. diff --git a/k/57870751.txt b/k/57870751.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a5dd378655e0f842802132497067d7ee7d03dd5c --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870751.txt @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +----- +--- 57870751 +Name one game where double barrel shotguns aren't OP as fuck (protip: you can't.) +--- 57870761 +>>57870751 (OP) +>>>/v/ +--- 57870771 +>>57870761 +Sorry wrong board +--- 57870822 +>>57870751 (OP) +Operation Flashpoint resistance +You lost faggot +--- 57870832 +Fallout Tactics +Fallout New Vegas +--- 57871849 +>>57870751 (OP) +Frogger diff --git a/k/57870869.txt b/k/57870869.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c24329b9b5307c73f5267e26fff382dfa227181c --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870869.txt @@ -0,0 +1,38 @@ +----- +--- 57870869 +According to trusted sources Russia has been prospecting up armament of the BT series of tank for their Kiev assault this summer. Bradleys and Abrams stand no chance against Khrizantema toting BT-7. +--- 57870881 +>>57870869 (OP) +Finally, a tank on par with an M113 +--- 57870919 +>>57870869 (OP) +I hate to say it, but even the shittiest tank eats up a tank round and makes the enemy visible. +If a certain percentage of your military is not meant to fight, but "probe the enemy" (read as: eat bullets) you might as well send them in junk. +--- 57870933 +>>57870869 (OP) +>that guy on the left cocknosing +--- 57870967 +>>57870919 +This kind of thinking is detrimental, if you're just sending in useless junk you're pawning off time, logistics and resources to supplying subpar gear that will fold against even the shittiest modern handheld weapon. Might as well send them in a technical instead of a BT-7. At least it's probably more fuel efficient. +--- 57870971 +>>57870919 +DU APFSDS simply over penetrates 22mm of armor leaving no damage to the crew or tank functionality. +--- 57870998 +>>57870919 +Cope that comes from soviets inability to uniformly equip the whole army with modern tanks +Airland battle developed to counter deeep battle would have had the probing attacks be carried out by regular maneuver units + +Becuase units doing unexpectedly well means they can turn a probing attack into a true attack at a moments notice +This makes the deep battle tactic of testing for a reaction useless as the enemy will constantly shift and neither a heavy nor light response gives information of intent and you can never commit to any specific area +--- 57871008 +>>57870971 +From what understand that thing has a crew of 3. Three people in that thing seem seems to fill it out pretty good which means that over penetration will probably involve warm fleshy bits. +--- 57871027 +>>57871008 +This is assuming 2 members have not taken tactical position outside of the tank in order to counter flank comrade. +--- 57871039 +>>57870869 (OP) +River crossing? No problem! +--- 57871632 +>>57870869 (OP) +> According to trusted sources diff --git a/k/57870889.txt b/k/57870889.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4794c8d33c3eea6b3a93e620eb46c55392a0c616 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870889.txt @@ -0,0 +1,118 @@ +----- +--- 57870889 +Does any modern military even use bayonets any more? +If so: Why? + +For the weight of the bayonet you could give the soldier some more bullets which would be 100% more desirable in any combat scenario. + +I mean you can't put spread on bread with bullets, but still... +--- 57870898 +>>57870889 (OP) +Didn’t some British guys do a bayonet charge in Iraq? +--- 57870903 +>>57870889 (OP) +>you can't put spread on bread with bullets +Yeah you can +--- 57870910 +>>57870889 (OP) +Stick a piece of cheese to the bayonet +When a rat takes the bait, fire +--- 57870962 +Stabbing people will never go out of fashion, why would you ever want to deprive professional soldiers of such a thing? +--- 57870968 +>>57870898 +Yes and in the Falklands and Afganistan and another time in Iraq oh and NI and some other places for crowd control +--- 57870969 +>>57870898 +And Afghanistan in 2011. +--- 57870988 +>>57870889 (OP) +>Does any modern military even use bayonets any more? +>If so: Why? +Not really, even in the most extreme CQB we see in ukrainian trenches they shoot or nade each other +--- 57871015 +>>57870988 +That's what I'm thinking. Bullets are cheap as fuck compared to drastically decreasing your chances of survival. +--- 57871019 +>>57870988 +>cqb we see in Ukraine +>Enter the British trained Ukies +>russiankebab.webm +Are they doing bayonet training in bongland too? +--- 57871028 +>>57871019 +Yes. +--- 57871050 +>>57871015 +>Shoot bullets +>No more bullets +>Stab with bayonet +>Still have plenty of bayonet +--- 57871080 +>>57871050 +https://www.youtube.com/shorts/P3l15THjJyA +Excellent for running these kinds of drills and self-defense scenarios +--- 57871103 +>>57871050 +>enemy has bullets +>outranged +>die +--- 57871108 +>>57870889 (OP) +>No bayonet more bullets +A bayonet weighs less than half a KG a loaded 5.56 magazine weighs 2KG. The weight of a bayonet is negligible, most often have some kind of tool kit and wire cutter built in the sheath too. +--- 57871145 +>>57871108 +>5.56 magazine weighs 2KG +LMFAO +They weight ~ .6 kg +--- 57871148 +>>57871103 +>enemy runs out of bullets +>outbayonet +>lives +--- 57871227 +>>57871145 +I'm a retard I googled it and it threw up a C mag weight. +Extra mag vs Bayonet, seen as how they weigh the same. Bayonet has more uses but I guess the extra mag would be invaluable if you needed it. +--- 57871283 +>>57870889 (OP) +I dunno, man. +If the fight has devolved to the point that you HAVE to use a bayonet, then you've logistically, strategically or tactically screwed the pooch at some point. +That's only one step above smacking each other with rocks like drunken cavemen. +--- 57871294 +>>57870889 (OP) +You should be carrying a knife anyway, having it able to attach to your rifle seems a no-brainer. +--- 57872241 +>>57870889 (OP) +>>57870968 +>>57870898 +PTSDd Corporal got shot at from 3 sides in an ambush and decided to fucking fix bayonet and go for it. +--- 57872283 +>>57870889 (OP) +Psychologically damaging if anything else. If you are exchanging gunfire from behind cover, not seeing the enemy 98% of the time, and you suddenly hear a roided bonglet screaming at the top of his lungs, COMING CLOSER, then you will probably haul ass out of that position under the assumption that he has killed the soldiers on your flanks and is coming to finish you off with a burst of gunfire. Worked wonders in Flanders, worked wonders in Afghanistan. Never underestimate the psychological aspect of hearing somebody intent to kill you moving closer at sprinting speeds. +--- 57872314 +>cheap to issue +>effective to use +>easy to train +THE SPEAR META NEVER DIES +--- 57872372 +>>57870889 (OP) +Bullets are not quiet. +A bayonet to the base of the skull is. + +Also what this anon >>57871294 said. +The knife was one of the first tools that man made when he learned how to make tools. It is a useful instrument for peaceful work. It is a useful instrument for violence. Other anons say "carry more bullets for the weight of the bayonet"; neglecting that just pushes the moment you run out of bullets further back, not in any way making it something that cannot or will not happen. Not having bullets for your gun is bad. Not having _any_ functional weapon is worse. +--- 57872404 +>>57870889 (OP) +>Does any modern military even use bayonets any more? +Britain +>If so: Why? +A couple of reasons. Partly tradition, we've been using bayonets for centuries now (and spears for millennia before that) and they're very well baked into the institutional memory of our various infantry units. It's also partly pragmatic - sometimes you find yourself in circumstances where your opponent is close enough to be engaged with a bayonet, and sometimes in those positions you either don't want to/can't just shoot him - in which case having a pigsticker attached to your weapon is very useful. A large part of it is just cultural though. There is a large vein of carefully repressed rage at the heart of the average Brit. You can see it coming out under the influence of alcohol if you go to any town centre on a Friday/Saturday night. British Army bayonet training is designed to allow the squaddie to tap into that emotion without becoming overwhelmed or consumed by it. When it's necessary it has proven itself to be a very effective capacity. +--- 57872874 +If guys need big solid knives as utility tools anyways, we aren't talking about saving the weight and money of removing the whole bayonet and its sheath, but only the weight and money of the parts that mount the bayonet. Repurpose that little weight and cost into your number of loaded mags carried, and it probably rounds to zero. +--- 57873321 +>>57870889 (OP) +>For the weight of the bayonet you could give the soldier some more bullets which would be 100% more desirable in any combat scenario. + +The bayonet still exists because no matter how much ammo a soldier carries he can still run out. You can't run out of bayonet unless you lose it. I think you're failing to understand the rhythm of battle. In the US a soldier carries 210 rounds on their person and a bunch in their assault pack if they have it within reach. You don't just end using your bayonet because you ran out of ammo in your pouches. You use it because your platoon or company is down to 0 to 1 magazines on average, and has no chance at resupply within the necessary timeframe. If a firefight lasts for more than 30 or so minutes you'll run out of ammo, so resupply has to be coordinated quickly. diff --git a/k/57870928.txt b/k/57870928.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4b1134a827cf77c7350561e7eaaa890fbbd3c57d --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870928.txt @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +----- +--- 57870928 +How do they decide which American Legion, VFW diff --git a/k/57870929.txt b/k/57870929.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..08431234830e6444dbc3454f17f27711622a7841 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57870929.txt @@ -0,0 +1,500 @@ +----- +--- 57870929 +>planes that look 30 years ahead of their time +>tanks that look 30 years ahead of their time +>small arms that look 30 years ahead of their time +How'd they do it? +--- 57870935 +>>57870929 (OP) +>How'd they do it? +They didn't +--- 57870939 +>>57870929 (OP) +>How'd they do it? +Weaponised autism and a pinch of amphetamines +--- 57870961 +>>57870929 (OP) + +Not to forget, decades ahead of jdam +--- 57870995 +>>57870961 +>decades ahead of jdam +Show 1945-era GPS +--- 57870996 +>>57870929 (OP) +They lost +--- 57871006 +>>57870996 +No they didn't, why lie? +--- 57871018 +>>57870929 (OP) +>planes that look 30 years ahead of their time +and were worse than allied designs of the time. +>tanks that look 30 years ahead of their time +and were worse than allied designs of the time +>small arms that look 30 years ahead of their time +any takers? preferably anons with at least two (2) braincells and pattern recognition. +--- 57871026 +>>57870929 (OP) +>How'd they do it? +By looking 30 years ahead of their time instead of BEING 30 years ahead of their time +--- 57871037 +>>57870995 + +Who says a combination of a conventional bomb and a radio controlled steering assembly needs to have gps? +--- 57871044 +>>57871037 +You did, by saying decades ahead of JDAM. +--- 57871068 +>>57870929 (OP) +>planes that look 30 years ahead of their time +ME-262 looks nothing like a F-14 tomcat +>tanks that look 30 years ahead of their time +Panther and tiger only superficially resemble the T-72 or M60A1 +Even the leopard 1 looks more like an M48 than it does a panther +>small arms that look 30 years ahead of their time +The kar98 was more than 30 years old at that point +Stg44 passingly resembles an AK-47, but small arms didn't progress nearly as quickly as other weapons +--- 57871082 +>>57870929 (OP) +>planes that look 30 years ahead of their time +You are retarded aren't you? +--- 57871102 +>>57870929 (OP) +Ah yes, the Me-262, a plane so advanced that the allies were mass producing a far superior jet fighter 4 months before it saw combat. +--- 57871113 +>>57870929 (OP) +I'm watching WW2 in color and countries like Czechoslovakia and Austria willingly joined the Reich, but I never hear about them resisting allied liberation. Did this happened or what because you think it would +--- 57871129 +>>57870929 (OP) +Designing the ME262 to fight in WW2 is like driving a Formula 1 car in a 24 hour race. +Yeah, you're faster and more maneuverable, but after the first hour or so of driving you're going to be out of fuel, have to change the tires and your transmission, engine and suspension are going to be so worn that they risk breaking. + +An ME262 could beat any Allied fighter in a straight line, it could climb higher, it had four 30 mm cannons mounted in the nose, but it couldn't win the goddamn war. +Too expensive, too high in maintenance, not reliable enough, took too long to produce, difficult to train new pilots on, had awful flight characteristics at low altitude, had a relatively small fuel tank with high fuel consumption meaning it couldn't stay in the air as long as other fighters, it couldn't fly very long distances. it couldn't land on unprepared airfields, it couldn't land on an aircraft carrier, etc, etc + +It was a dogshit plane for WW2, but a technological marvel. +--- 57871138 +>>57871068 +you're acting like everyone had access to the tomcat at the time but that's just not the case. also, the T-72 and AK are still the most widely used weapons in the world. how is that not representative of a profound technological impact on part of the Nazis? +--- 57871139 +>Hitler stated: "The decisive thing is that he gets bombs on his head at the moment (of landing). Then we force (him to take cover). And if there's always only one plane (in the air, he has to) take cover, and in doing so he misses hour after hour. But (in) half a day the drawing up of our reserves will start. If he (is) nailed to the beach for only 6 or 8 hours, you can imagine what that means for us.” + +>When asked more precisely how Hitler envisaged fast bomber attacks without the existing targeting devices, Milch answered during a general aircraft master meeting: "The Führer thinks it this way - and he was not contradicted in the discussions with the Reich Marshal that the machine flies horizontal at an altitude of 3,000 m and simply drops its bombs into the area” +--- 57871150 +>>57871138 +>how is that not representative of a profound technological impact on part of the Nazis? +Because those weapons have jack shit to do with the nazis +--- 57871152 +>>57870995 +>>57871037 +>>57871044 +sorry for butting in, but I think you're both forgetting about God's GPS, the Global Pigeoning System +--- 57871159 +>>57871018 +Ahead of time doesn’t mean better. Still important stepping stones for the tech we have today. +--- 57871168 +>>57871129 +>car analogy +Do a food one next! +--- 57871187 +>>57871018 +why is there always anti-german seethe +--- 57871205 +>>57871152 +Wasn't that a UK project though? +--- 57871209 +>>57871159 +>Ahead of time doesn’t mean better +being a precognitive failure isn't something to boast about +>>57871187 +>I-I'm not coping! Y-You're just s-seething! +sad +--- 57871211 +>>57871187 +Reddit Ukraine war tourist think everyone is heckin /pol/ chud +--- 57871216 +>>57871187 +>not jacking off every experimental weapon the nazis made =/ seethe +--- 57871221 +>>57870929 (OP) +By caring more about how things looked than how they performed. +--- 57871226 +>>57871209 +You need to go back +--- 57871233 +>>57871187 +>pointing out the truth is seething +cope +--- 57871236 +>>57871129 +none of that is relevant to OP. +Why is there always this retarded anti-german cope and seethe? +--- 57871238 +>>57871113 +what the fuck czechoslovakia did not become a german protectorate willingly. +uk and france tried to appease hitler by forcing czechoslovakia to give up it's border provinces in the munich dictate. this meant czechoslovakia lost all the fortifications it was building up against german. the remainder of the country became impossible to defend and hitler annexed it without a fight. +--- 57871240 +>>57871102 +mostly mok up fake never seen service before end of war +--- 57871258 +>>57870929 (OP) +>look +By being aesthetic obsessed retards like their modern counterparts +--- 57871261 +>>57871236 +>Why is there always this retarded anti-german cope and seethe? +Anon, some of us actually wanted Germany to win. +Forgiving bad military strategy because of who does it is the sign of a poor military mind. +Learn from mistakes. Stop repeating them, anon. +--- 57871267 +>>57871226 +Don't give up that quickly, anon. It's unbecoming of you. I know I've been at this for almost two decades but c'mon, put up a little resistance. +--- 57871289 +>>57871233 +>>57871216 +>>57871209 +>>57871233 +no self awareness whatsoever +--- 57871307 +>>57871267 +This board isn’t worth it anymore. You guys came in during the 2016 election to make this place worse, now you flooded in again due to this war. /k/ might as well be a subreddit at this rate. Cant even talk about any German or Russian stuff without normies derailing +--- 57871351 +>>57871261 +What "strategy"? OP is talking about cool German technology. The thread is immediately filled with anti-German retardation and 2 posts max that even pretend to make a point. +--- 57871362 +>>57871018 +yeah, thats why a panzer could take down an entire sherman unit without so much as a scratch. go to bed grandpa. +--- 57871363 +>>57871307 +>You guys came in during the 2016 election to make this place worse +I've literally been here since 2005 my man +--- 57871374 +>>57871102 +>UK +Nobody cares, gramps +--- 57871384 +>>57871102 +Gloster Meteor: +>First flight 5 March 1943 +>Introduction 27 July 1944 +Me 262: +>First flight +>18 April 1941 with piston engine (Junkers Jumo 210) +>18 July 1942 with jet engines +>Introduction April 1944 + +In case you haven't noticed, 1943 > 1942, and July > April +--- 57871427 +>>57871307 +>mom the reddit boogeyman is preventing me from publicly enacting my wehr- and slavaboo fantasies again +--- 57871455 +>>57871187 +We don't like nazis and commies here on /k/, we don't like any repressive regime which restricts gun rights, like Third Reich and Soviet Union did. +--- 57871480 +>>57871351 +>What "strategy"? +The strategy of investing in technologically complex machines of war instead of combat effective ones. +Remember in 1939/1940 when all the Germans had were like 15 different variations of the Panzer II, a bunch of troop transports and they took over Poland, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, France, Belgium and Luxembourg? +Those early war victories were not because the Germans had better tanks or weapons, it's because the had a shitton of them and they concentrated their forces to do penetration in depth. +They were able to overcome extremely competent peer-militaries by using better strategy. +When WW2 started to bog down and become an Occupation War for Germany, and Hitler started pushing for wonder weapons, Germany's military became significantly less effective. +People rant and rave about how awesome the Tiger was as a tank, but nobody mentions that it took on average 3 destroyed Sherman tanks to kill 1 American crewman. +So, despite being (arguably) less technologically advanced than the Tiger, the Sherman was a better warfighter by all measures. +If you don't want people to discuss WW2 Germany and it's weapons, why the fuck are you posting a WW2 German plane on the weapons board where the entire point is to discuss military history, technology and weaponry? +--- 57871525 +>>57871455 +Hitler expanded gun rights to everyone that wasn’t Jewish and even then halfbreeds were allowed. Not that this has anything to do with talking about cool military stuff they made. Not everything in life is politics +--- 57871593 +The 262's biggest assets were it was fast, and heavily armed. + +The engines were shit, it was a bitch to fly, and it made very little impact to the war. +--- 57871595 +>>57870929 (OP) +Post-war militaries were full of wehraboos whoa aped the krauts' in some capacity (whether looks, doctrine, function, etc.) + +M60 +'salt rifles +ballistic missiles +GPMG-centered small unit tactics +disposable man-portable AT weapons +--- 57871609 +>>57870961 +>mogged by a toothbrush +--- 57871624 +>>57871187 +because the nazis were spastics anon, deploying 'wonderweapons' out of desperation because your losing a war to drunk commies +--- 57871633 +>>57871427 +You’re dragging politics in a discussion about weapons. +--- 57871639 +>>57871138 +>you're acting like everyone had access to the tomcat at the time +Even thirdies like India and Argentina had domestic production of more advanced planes than anything from WWII Germany in 1975. +--- 57871662 +>>57871593 +NUH BUT MUH JET ENGINERINO +>gets shot down on take off by a gregillion allied fighter planes +--- 57871701 +>>57870961 +The US was playing around with drones that could bomb ship sized targets in the 30's. +--- 57871724 +>>57870929 (OP) +>planes that look 30 years ahead of their time +Less than 30 years later you had the F-4 Phantom II in service. Also inferior to the Gloster Meteor and P-80 Shooting Star. +>tanks that look 30 years ahead of their time +Less than 30 years later you had the T-64 and M60 in service. Also, what are not trash transmissions and hilariously high breakdown counts? +>small arms that look 30 years ahead of their time +That much I'll grant you, the StG-44 was very much the best until the AK-47 came about, with the West taking even longer to adopt an equivalent (thanks USA). Albeit, in terms of MGs some contemporaries were perfectly fine, namely the Brits with the Bren. +--- 57871729 +>>57871701 +>Posting bullshit without citing a source +He's a mutt, checks out +--- 57871759 +The Germans worked so hard to build their empire they didn't deserve to lose millons of lives. Their beautiful machines were state of the art, no even moreso, like something out of science fiction. The German culture was beautiful and so was it's people. They should've won. +--- 57871783 +>>57871724 +The point of a rifleman is to provide accurate fire while the machine gunner lays down a high volume of fire. +The STG-44 was a decent rifle, but a shitty machine gun, so besides having a 30 round mag, it really wasn't all that much more effective than say an M1 Carbine. +It makes sense why the US didn't jump on the Assault Rifle bandwagon until the fifties, because honestly their old rifles still worked fine. +--- 57871804 +>>57870929 (OP) +>How'd they do it? +Putting prototypes that are 5 years from being combat/logistically effective into the field will do that +--- 57871815 +>>57870961 +The USA had the GB-1, ASM-N-2 Bat, and others. +>>57871729 +NTA, but the Interstate TDR from 1944 fits the bill. + +>>57871783 +The StG-44 was never meant to be a machine gun, that's what the MG 34 and 42 were for. It would have replaced the Kar98k and iirc the MP 40. +It doesn't make sense that the USA adopted the M-14, which had little parts commonality with the M1 Garand in the end, when concepts like the original intermediate cartridge FAL, and EM-2, were being developed at the same time. +--- 57871872 +>>57871384 +"Before it saw combat" +Are you illiterate +--- 57871898 +>>57871729 +Per the National Naval Aviation Museum: "In 1938 the Navy employed a radio-controlled N2C-2 target drone to execute dive bombing attacks against the battleship USS Utah(BB-31). Though the purpose of the exercise was to test an antiaircraft battery on board the ship, the success of the N2C-2 spurred development of drones with a truly offensive capability." + +>>57871815 +Close, the TDR developed from that experiment. +--- 57871911 +>>57870995 +Putting a bomb on the target was an absolute game changer. +Imagine picking a window with pic. +--- 57871974 +>>57870929 (OP) +They put unfinished prototypes into combat action as an act of desperation. They were finished and it was only matter of months when are they gonna disappear from the map. +--- 57871977 +>>57871480 +> The strategy of investing in technologically complex machines of war instead of combat effective ones. +Which is irrelevant to someone being able to appreciate that technology looking cool and ahead of its time. A Ferrari doesn't need a good gas mileage to look cool. +> People rant and rave about how awesome the Tiger was as a tank, +No they don't. Every single time anyone says anything remotely positive about anything German a horde of retards appear to shit up the conversation. +> If you don't want people to discuss WW2 Germany and it's weapons, why the fuck are you posting a WW2 German plane on the weapons board where the entire point is to discuss military history, technology and weaponry? +You are here shitting up the discussion surrounding cool German WW2 tech by going off topic. Not me. You don't need every single discussion about anything related to WW2 Germany to weer off into what they did wrong. As if everything they did is somehow cursed because they lost the war. +--- 57871990 +>>57871624 +more seethe +why are you like this? +--- 57872073 +>>57871977 +>All that shit you just said +Bro, this is a board for discussing firearms, military history and technology. +If your sole contribution to any discussion is "but it looks cool", and "don't make fun of muh nazis", then I'm sorry to say but you must be 18 years or older to post on this webzone. +--- 57872081 +>>57871129 +That's assuming that for some fucking reason the F1 car is being given the same tyres it would receive at a GP while the other cars are on normal boots for whatever 24 hour series this is. Everything else there is you being a fucking retard that doesn't actually know motorsport but that goes without saying since you're unironically parroting wehraboo shitposts that everyone stopped believing in 2004 + +The ME 262 was trash and died to prop fighters slightly less often than it died to mechanical failure. Stay in school, you'll get out of this phase by the time you're 19, and then you can laugh at his hilariously cope Nazi tech actually was. +--- 57872092 +>>57872073 +you're retarded and illiterate. The point is that you can appreciate things for what made them good without always derailing into why Germany lost the war. +--- 57872112 +>>57872092 +>The point is that you can appreciate things for what made them good without talking what made them not so good +--- 57872137 +>>57872081 +My brother in Christ the rules in F1 dictate that you can't modify cars for specific races but the entire season. +What I'm saying is you take a car designed for one thing, but then you force it into doing something it wasn't designed to do, and it won't be very good. +If you read my post, you would realize I was criticizing the Germans for investing so heavily in the ME262, using the analogy of a 50 million dollar F1 car versus (for example) a 3 million dollar GT3 car specifically for an endurance race. +This analogy also highlights the extended nature of the fighting in WW2. After 1942, there was absolutely no way that a lightning offensive or a sudden leap in technology could win the war, because it became about long term attrition instead of short-term gains. +My analogy of running an F1 car in a 24 hour race is brilliant and you're simply jealous you weren't intelligent enough to come up with it yourself. +--- 57872142 +Aliens. +--- 57872144 +>>57870929 (OP) +Meanwhile the yanks were like: ah fuck we can't build radial engines fast enough, call up Chrysler and get em to weld 5 car engines together, that'll let us field another 9,000 Sherman's in 4 months. +--- 57872228 +>>57872112 +you're were not talking about the flaws of German equipment, you were talking about the strategic follies made by Germans relating production of said equipment. +Again, you are retarded and illiterate. +--- 57872243 +>>57872144 +US foundry capabilities were amazing thanks to the auto industry. Casting anything was not particularly difficult even though nearly all casting was done in sand molds. Patternmaking is by far the most based woodworking because it's not decorative but precise (draught etc). +--- 57872267 +>>57872228 +>You were not talking about the flaws +>You were talking about the flaws +Which is it? +--- 57872301 +>>57872243 +People jerk off muh german engineering but not enough people seem to be aware of how fucking insane the American industrial system was. Its mind boggling what it was able to achieve with that we consider to be primitive means today. The Liberty Class alone is one of the most prodigious flexes of all time. +--- 57872363 +>>57871595 +>disposable man-portable AT weapons +Modern look and usage is closer to the AT weapons they aped. +--- 57872385 +>>57872267 +>he can't understand the difference between production and a piece of equipment because the word 'flaw' was used two times. +you are retarded and illiterate. lmao +--- 57872406 +>>57872301 +>a thread about german engineering +>90% of it is shitting on 'muh german engineering' due to production issues +Wow, people just can't stop praising Germany, right guys? +--- 57872425 +>>57870929 (OP) +>How'd they do it? +They didn't. But to give you far more credit than they deserve it was because a retarded corporal (who was probably high at the time) demanded that everything look cool and do things they really didn't need to. The nazi obsession with 'Muh 'thestics' and their certainty that anything they made had to be the highest quality X possible, combined to produce an endless string of retarded and useless Bullshit projects for sub room temperature IQs like you to coom for. +--- 57872450 +>>57872385 +Actually the word "flaw" was only used once. +You used a synonym. +Stop telling me that I don't know how to read when I clearly have a better grasp of the English language than you do. +--- 57872469 +>>57872406 +Yeah its relentless. +--- 57872490 +>>57872450 +>ackchually it was a synonym +What happened to your argument? Oh, right. Now fuck off retard. +--- 57872525 +>>57871037 +Because otherwise you're using radio triangulation. +--- 57872569 +>>57872385 +Surely things like ease of production and maintenance are considered aspects of the design of a piece of equipment. If you design the most powerful, most efficient jet engine ever, but can only produce a handful of them and 75% of the time they're out of commission for maintenance then a simpler more robust design would have the advantage. +--- 57872573 +>>57872490 +>retard +>illiterate +>retard +>illiterate +>retard +>illiterate + +Do you know more than just these two words? +You've heard about the law of diminishing returns, right? +Right? +My argument was made, I've defended it but you keep saying the same fucking thing over and over again. + +Reminder, the thread is titled "The Nazis", and the final line is "How'd they do it?" +This thread is about how the Nazis made "planes, tanks and small arms" that "look 30 years ahead of their time. +I answered that question. +The answer was "by sacrificing combat effectiveness for technological advancement". +This is not a thread about posting pictures of cool looking planes. +--- 57872592 +>>57871455 +Third reich didnt restrict guns +--- 57872633 +>>57872525 +Line of sight or tv guided does not require fancy navigation shite. +Walk away from the playstation and give yourself a good slap. +--- 57872698 +>>57872569 +No shit. However, that fact should not preclude you from recognizing which engine was the most powerful and efficient. And that you can admire it for being so. No matter how hard or costly it was to produce, it is still the most powerful and efficient. +But as soon as someone brings that up, or anything in a remotely similar vein, there is a horde of retards that go: +>but it was hard to produce! It's why they lost! +I don't know what kind of brainrot causes this. It's like people are unable to entertain more than one thought or narrative at a time. Maybe because they feel the narrative they currently cling to 'trumps' the other one they just go full retard. Case in point: +>>57872573 +--- 57872819 +>>57871362 +I mean that basically happened at least once. +--- 57872832 +I'm afraid that the answer is quite boring - with each passing year, they were growing more and more desperate. +Allies had the advantage in every single aspect so there was no need for sudden, high risk moves - if Sherman/BAR/Mustang works, just produce more of them until the war is won. +Meanwhile krauts had a pressing need to come up with some wunderwaffe, so every idea was worth trying, even if the technology was far from polished. This resulted in many constructions that seemed ahead of their time but in reality they just fucked up German logistics and economy even harder. +--- 57872833 +>>57870996 +This but unironically. +At some point it must have been clear, that they have no way to win the war "normaly" so they raced to churn out as many Wunderwaffen as possible in hope one of them would turn the tide. +--- 57872889 +>>57872833 +>in hope one of them would turn the tide. + +And it very nearly did + +They were only a few weeks off from producing a large-yield warhead, there had been assorted tests done in thuringia already by spring of 1945 +--- 57872894 +>>57871187 +Ja, was have wir ever done wrong? +--- 57872920 +>>57870996 + +imagine believing this + +ideological elites are not nation bound +--- 57872932 +>>57871102 + +new cope history just dropped +--- 57872945 +>>57872698 +Do you want to have a legitimate discussion with the autists here about military hardware, or do you just wanna jerk off about how cool and based you think nazi stuff is? The only way to continue the discussion once you bring up the upsides is to mention its shortcomings, people do this with hardware from every country, from every era. You try to talk about Russian tanks people are gonna bring up the combination autoloader/turret launch mechanism and the functionally nonexistent reverse gear. Talk about the F-35? Someone's gonna bring up the downsides of trying to make one design do 3 different things, or its issues with supersonic flight. The fact that Nazis are exceptionally hateable probably makes it worse, but that's something you're gonna have to live with when discussing the equipment of a genocidal repressive regime. +--- 57872950 +>>57872832 +They didn't just seem ahead of their time, they literally were ahead of their time. Nothing about the economy, production or the result of the war changes the properties of their equipment after the fact. Whether they should have or not is irrelevant to the fact that they could and that they did and that the result, regardless of anything else, was sometimes quite spectacular. +--- 57872981 +>>57870929 (OP) +How many flights the engine could handle before become nearly useless? +--- 57873027 +>>57872950 +>they literally were ahead of their time. +On V-day over europe? +--- 57873049 +Lots of brain dead redditors repeating generic allied cope, straight up lies and urban myths in here. I can tell you cretins only know about WW2 from basic bitch youtube videos just by reading the posts. You are not smart or well read, you have been sold a viewpoint you want to believe. Germany had a favourable KD in every single year of the war and took literally every other major power to bring down for a reason... the numbers speak and they say the reich was on top. Progress your ww2 knowledge not by being fed by similar generic leftists, go read actual archival german and allied documents or go find books that properly use them, like from jentz and zetterling. Its all so tiresome reading the same false allied leftist copium spiel in every single ww2 discussion on the internet these days. +--- 57873083 +>>57873049 +>Germans were the best +>But they lost +>But they were the best!!! +And you accuse the rest of us of huffing copium. +What a terrifying lack of self-awareness. +--- 57873102 +>>57872950 +>they literally were ahead of their time +Pretty much everyone else has jet aircraft, only Germany was in desperate enough straits to try and force them into frontline combat. Everyone else had heavy tanks that could go toe-to-to with a Tiger II, but nobody wanted to produce and ship them across to Europe when they weren't necessary. Germany was so far ahead the vast majority of platoons had no radios, whereas the Americans had every platoon and even some squads with them. + +Germany was not special. They weren't bad. They were desperate. And when you're desperate you do things you wouldn't otherwise. Like force immature technologies into frontline service when anyone who wasn't desperate went "Naw, those advantages aren't worth the downsides right now, maybe later" +--- 57873132 +>>57870929 (OP) +>>57873049 +Seething Wehraboos. +--- 57873154 +>>57871018 +>any takers? +The StG-44 was a decent gun, Yugoslavia used them into the 70s and gave them to countries in the Middle East and Africa who still occasionally use them now. Also the FG-42 inspired the design of the M60. +--- 57873161 +>>57872950 +>>57873102 +What often happens in war (and business) is that the first people to develop a technology invest massive amounts of money into it, encounter numerous engineering problems, pay even more money to fix them, and then once they have a half-way decent product the competition comes out with something better, for cheaper. +It's just the way the world works. +--- 57873271 +>>57873161 +And in this line of thinking is it impossible that multiple nations may simultaneously develop technology? +--- 57873296 +>>57871455 +nigger and tranny organization (NAFO) user spotted +--- 57873301 +>>57871362 +Surely the Tiger II would have no trouble against the T-62s the Sherman popped the turrets off of back in Gaza +--- 57873307 +>>57873271 +Pretty sure more than one guy thought of fire, it's not like they googled it. +--- 57873314 +>>57872945 +No discussion can be had about the specifics of anything because the only frame retards like you understand is built around who lost the war. Just look at the replies in this thread. It's a bunch of retards talking about 'wunderwaffen' and 'the war being lost so they just tried anything' as if there was never a reason to move past Pz3 production in the face of Russian 'heavy' tanks. It's all so fucking dumb. There's no detail or chain of causality, it's just retards mouthing off. +It's not a discussion about equipment for you people, it's a proxy for 'my side vs your side'. I don't have to pretend with you that it's about equipment or that anything you will say will ever be about equipment. I can just point at you whenever you show up to shit up another thread. diff --git a/k/57871032.txt b/k/57871032.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..12b3677ef7ff21334a7b0760d320d35fc42eda67 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57871032.txt @@ -0,0 +1,35 @@ +----- +--- 57871032 +>Look at Russia, isn't it neat? +>Wouldn't you think that my country's complete? +>Wouldn't you think I'm the Czar +>The Czar who's got +>Everything? +>Look at this trove +>Oblasts untold! +>How many time zones can one country hold? +>Looking around here, you'd think +>"Sure, he's got everything" +>I've got Kirovs and Penzas a-plenty +>I've got Tyumans and Bryansks galore +>You want Novgorod? +>I've got twenty! +>But who cares? No big deal +>I +>Want +>Mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooore +>West where they walk +>West where they run +>West where they aren't being killed with a gun! +>Democracy's free +>I'll send VDV +>And ruin that world +>What would I give if I could live out on Crimea? +>How I would laugh if I could take Luhansk and Donbass +>When's it my turn? I'd like to quest, quest and explore that land out West +>Out in Ukraine +>America will wane +>And I'll ruin their worldddddddddddddddd +--- 57871078 +>>57871032 (OP) +Vocaroo when diff --git a/k/57871040.txt b/k/57871040.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..85eb3d15ce4dee4f8aeee6bfcb4d7b412370af3f --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57871040.txt @@ -0,0 +1,145 @@ +----- +--- 57871040 +What are some /k/ approved jobs? +--- 57871057 +Being a NEET +--- 57871065 +Disability +--- 57871079 +Prostitute. +--- 57871151 +>>57871040 (OP) +How do I obtain cute Ukie wife? +--- 57871174 +Professional range brass collector +--- 57871179 +Professional rapist +--- 57871188 +cat person +--- 57871223 +>>57871040 (OP) +more of a dog person miself +--- 57871242 +>>57871151 +exactly like any other wife - don't be retarded and be tall and rich. +--- 57871246 +cmon guys, give me some serious answers +--- 57871254 +Wagie +--- 57871271 +>>57871040 (OP) +>>57871246 +Why do you care? +--- 57871275 +>>57871040 (OP) +Outing federal agents on the internet, especially if theyre overseas. +--- 57871285 +>>57871246 +ur mom +--- 57871293 +>>57871271 +because I’m looking for a job and and curious what other gun enthusiasts do +--- 57871319 +>>57871151 +I have one. At a bar in Odesa rn +--- 57871330 +>>57871151 +Join the Russian military and take on once all the men in Ukraine are dead. +--- 57871332 +>>57871319 +gay bars dont count anon +--- 57871333 +>>57871246 +Part time wagie because I like having extra to spend on guns and other stuff I like. If I didn't care about having extra I'd unironically be a NEET. +--- 57871342 +>>57871332 +It's not a gay bar +--- 57871371 +>>57871342 +Why are you in a bar? You could be eliminating muscovites. I was gonna say "those Russians aren't going to kill themselves" but ever since 1vatnik1rifle that's not strictly accurate. +--- 57871388 +>>57871040 (OP) +Professional kitty petter +--- 57871495 +>>57871040 (OP) +Gunsmith +Any direct involvement heavy industry job +Gun store employee +Camouflage designer +Weapon studies historian +Military historian +Soldier +PMC operative +Ammo maker +Pilot +Gamekeeper +Forester +--- 57871560 +>>57871495 +What about paramedic or firefighter? +--- 57871571 +>>57871040 (OP) +Male prostitute. +--- 57871631 +>>57871560 +Forgot those, yes +--- 57871682 +Certified Forklift Operator. Front loaders, excavators and other large powered equipment also acceptable. +--- 57871781 +>>57871040 (OP) +Being a shill +--- 57871800 +>>57871040 (OP) +Yeah +A service person has hair like that +I hate photo ops +--- 57871827 +>>57871040 (OP) +Welding is a good job anon. Pays good. +> Starting pay is $25 an hour +--- 57871845 +>>57871495 +> Any direct involvement in heavy industry job +So Welding is a good job? Based anon. +--- 57871850 +>>57871371 +I'm not Ukrainian, and my wife would be unhappy if I died. +--- 57871852 +MRI tech. Only job that lets you murder people with their own gun. +--- 57871871 +>>57871371 +I'm learning how to be a good Welder anon. Maybe one day, once I am able to, I could help in the defeat of The Muscovites (mainly by repairing Ukie Tanks and other kinds of Materiel they need repaired or fabricated - since I'm also looking into self learning Machining). +--- 57871905 +>>57871040 (OP) +Hi pretty sweetheart, do you like rescuing cats? +--- 57871941 +>>57871040 (OP) +Her hair is so soft and pretty. I love girls so much bros... Girly girls make me feel so warm and fuzzy... +--- 57872061 +>>57871871 +Why are you pretending to be me? +--- 57872088 +>>57872061 +Elaborate. Also I can weld a good bead anon. GRANTED I'm just starting out. But it takes a while. +--- 57872218 +>>57872088 +He asked me why I was in a bar and you responded to him as if you were me. +--- 57872449 +>>57871040 (OP) +Any honest job is a good/approved job. Doesn't matter what you're doing so long as it's honest work for honest pay. Do your best to do your best no matter what job you're currently holding. +Personally I've been in the trades for 29 years. I'm getting out next year. Going to work part time (hopefully at LGS) and go to school to learn my way around a machine shop. From there I hope to become a machinist. Make good money, have a little shop of my own for a side hustle making gun parts and doing real gunsmithing work (more than pushing sights and mounting scopes). +--- 57872530 +>>57871330 +>Join the Russian military and take on once all the men in Ukraine are dead. +unironically this +--- 57872605 +>>57871682 + +Dirk? Is that you? +--- 57872637 +>>57871040 (OP) +>>57871293 +Trades are pretty based. +--- 57872723 +I can get a decent paying process engineering(?) job. No idea if that’s a thing in murica. It’s basically a machinist in a large lab environment. +Thoughts? diff --git a/k/57871076.txt b/k/57871076.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..701e06782bd9bdbcf5effa78e216b6b075e0ed47 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57871076.txt @@ -0,0 +1,149 @@ +----- +--- 57871076 +What kind of firearms would each country field in their army? + +Assume it's post 1945. +--- 57871986 +>>57871076 (OP) +Ignoring Korra for a moment. +Avatar people, even civilians, pretty consistently display strength and durability wildly out of line with the real world. Zuko is a physical beast compared to the average, to be sure, but consider that he can shatter iron by kicking it. With tremendous strength comes also the ability to wear heavier armor, only adding to the absurd durability they already have. + +Because bending is so absurdly powerful offensively and defensively, and because people in Avatar are so absurdly strong, firearms would probably be thought of differently by armies here. The fire nation already employs explosive shell artillery (most people forget this because it's only in like two scenes) and I imagine they'd push very heavily into artillery of all kinds, but particularly super-heavy bunker destroying artillery, to try to cope for the fact that they're one of two countries that can't create ten foot thick fortifications in like five seconds. +Honestly Explosives are the best bet for everyone. Rockets or grenade launchers would probably be more prevalent than regular infantry rifles. + +Snipers would be a big deal, regardless. The primary appeal of guns would be in their range, not their rate of fire, and so you'd see that pushed to it's extreme. Every nation would do very well to deploy as many snipers as possible, with huge Anti-tank rifles that can inflict attrition on the enemy from outside traditional bending range whether their kung fu gives them skin as hard as stone or not. +--- 57872024 +>>57871076 (OP) +And if we don't ignore Korra, by the 1950s equivalent time, they'd be using plasma rifles and energy shields, considering in their version of the 20s they had gauntlets that could fire three foot bolts of lightning, mechs, and plasma cutters that could slice through feet of thick metal like a fucking lightsaber. +--- 57872209 +>>57871986 +Ty Lee can jump like 15 meters or more in the air dead stop. Azula in that same episode can kick giant boulders thrown by Aang like nothing. +Korra can lift a grown man with one hand by the collar. +Either way, firearms would be used the same way we did. Since they are cheap to make and you can train pretty much anyone to use them in a short amount of time. The men and women in the avatar world being stronger doesn't change much for industrial warfare. Air combat would be even more important and so would navy. +I can't imagine what bullshit a ww1 style war would be for them. +--- 57872217 +>>57871076 (OP) +Considering the whole show is a metaphor for wwii the fire nation has Japanese/German arms of the time, earth kingdom would have Chinese/Russian arms of the time, water kingdom would have euro/American arms of the time and the air nation would be dead Jews/Koreans. +--- 57872258 +>>57871986 +Don't forget Zuko sliced that chain that held Aang as the Blue Spirit. +What kind of metal was his sword made to cut that shit? +--- 57872320 +>>57872209 +>The men and women in the avatar world being stronger doesn't change much for industrial warfare +Superhuman strength and durability radically shifts the armor-vs-bullet paradigm, you need larger, more powerful guns, which take up more room, are more difficult to carry, less handy in close, require more resources to build and supply, etc. Fragmentation (and spalling inside vehicles) become exponentially less lethal, as well. You're probably not going to see SMGs in a setting where people who can take blows that would instantly kill a rhino and could fight in inch thick steel armor, if they chose to. + +Everyone having flamethrowers (or bulldozers) built into their arms would also dramatically shift the need away from close combat firearms and towards either heavy weapons capable of destroying walls or armor, and weapons with extreme range. +--- 57872339 +>>57872209 +>Earth kingdom laughs in trenches and underminings +They'd probably have the most comfortable setup, too. +--- 57872482 +>>57872339 +Well there's a reason even in the show the fire kingdom hadn't been able to make significant progress against them even with super steampunk technology, owning the entire world's ocean, giant catapults that can lay down accurate fire miles away, and half the earth kingdom pretending the war wasn't happening. The fire nation thought it needed some kind of infinite supernatural advantage to crack the Water tribe and they're like 1/1000th the size and practically living in the stone age. + +Instant building magic is a tough nut to crack. +--- 57872533 +>>57871076 (OP) +>Korra ignored +>assume WW2 tech + +Fire Nation would use flamethrowers practically as squad weapons if not primary infantry weapon. Lightning and explosive bending commando teams would punch way above their weight. IF they maintain their technological edge then they would be formidable; if not, the other nations have counters. +>Strength: special forces, industry? +>Weaknesses: inferior infantry and air force + +Water Tribes would dominate the seas with super silent Red October-esque U-boats. This would make them nearly essential to war on the planet, but wouldn't disrupt the internal economies of the Fire and Earth nations, and surface ships would be vulnerable to Air Nomad bombing. +>Strength: naval control +>Weakness: inferior land and air forces + +Earth Kingdom would have the best armoured troops with natural rock body armour. However flame, rocket and artillery weapons would still pulp them probably. They have the strongest advantage arguably, but to get at anyone else they have to cross the oceans and potentially fight under enemy air supremacy +>Strength: infantry and armoured corps +>Weakness: inferior naval and air forces + +Air Nomads' Air Force would be masters of the sky as their fighters and bombers would be inherently miles more efficient than anything others can build. Air assault would be child's play for them. Arguably they have the greatest mobility on the planet, but in a straight fight they have no special advantages over anybody and in fact would probably lose hard to an equal force of Earthbenders. Their best bet is an alliance: they would be a kingmaker in Avatar geopolitics but unable to do much on their own. They'd very much balance Water domination. +>Strength: Air Force and paratroopers +>Weakness: land forces + +The strongest coalition would be Air + Water; with these two together no warfare on the planet is truly feasible. The only way peace can be disrupted is if these 2 are on opposing factions. + +1/2 +--- 57872547 +>>57872533 +2/2 +>Air + Fire vs Water + Earth +The W+E coalition would have access to massive superbattleships that might actually be able to resist Air Nomad bombers, enabling an invasion of the Fire Kingdom. It's hard to imagine a viable counter unless the W+Es get very careless and have their leadership totally decapitated by a Market-Garden type operation by Air paratroopers and Fire commandos. It's their war to lose. + +>Air + Earth vs Water + Fire +Much more even fight. Without Earth armour, the W+F Navy would find it harder to resist the Air Force. On land, neither Water nor Fire troops have significant advantages over Earth armoured troops. The battles would be much more tactical. +--- 57872610 +>>57872320 +I don't think an earth bender can create a wall fast enough to stop some guy from shooting him. Only Bumi can create rocks just by looking at something, other benders have to move. +Plus, most people cannot bend, so having an army of 100% benders in a time where most anyone can be in the military would be innefficient. You can deal with rock armour with bigger ammor or just gas them. +--- 57872753 +>>57872610 +>I don't think an earth bender can create a wall fast enough to stop some guy from shooting him. Only Bumi can create rocks just by looking at something, other benders have to move. +They can create walls with more or less a single stomp or movement of the arm. You, for whatever reason, are imagining a gunslinger and an earthbender fighting in a neutral arena, where there's a fifty fifty chance of either raising their arm before the other, when in reality, you arrive to the "battlefield" and the earthbender is already in his bunker. He can just create a slowly tunneling or crawling field of endless fortifications, from behind his previous fortifications. + +>>57872610 +>Plus, most people cannot bend, so having an army of 100% benders in a time where most anyone can be in the military would be innefficient. +Not only is this fan canon not backed up by any in universe source, it doesnt make any logical sense in universe regardless. The mere presence of benders who have not been conscripted into the military completely crushes the idea that most of the military wouldnt be benders. You'd get every bender that existed into your military, you'd drag them off the street if you had to, they're literally like a hundred times more valuable to your war effort than non benders. + +You're not considering that "most people" are not soldiers in any society. One in ten, or one in five, men being in the military is huge, so you want us to believe what, that one in a hundred people are benders? One in a thousand? and they still let them be fucking civilians? A single earth bender or water bender is a massive force multiplier for a group of non benders, even one earthbender per 500 men would completely dominate an equally equipped force of 500, or 1000, or even 2000, without any benders, due only to the earthbender's ability to create fortifications and ease logistics. It turns every battle into an endless dug in castle siege. +--- 57872823 +>>57872753 +>Not only is this fan canon not backed up by any in universe source, it doesnt make any logical sense in universe regardless. The mere presence of benders who have not been conscripted into the military completely crushes +We are talking about industrial warfare in the avatar world. +Once you have guns, ships, rockets and jets, you don't need 100% bender army. +--- 57872845 +>>57872753 +>They can create walls with more or less a single stomp or movement of the arm +I'm surprised it took this long for someone to point this out. Earth bending would be stupidly OP vs guns, and a lot of them would probably skimp on armor simply because they can make hard cover grow out of the ground. Imagine setting up an L shaped ambush, and having the group you're ambushing just grow a hasty fortification out of the ground a couple seconds in. +--- 57872852 +>>57871076 (OP) + +They would all presumably lose to 1945 Nazi Germany lmao +--- 57873002 +>>57872823 +>Once you have guns, ships, rockets and jets, you don't need 100% bender army. +>Need +Need? You seem to think I'm saying that Benders are the limit on your army size. WW2 and the civil war only had about 10-15% of the population fighting, and those wars are *outliers* for military recruitment, not the norm. Even the Russians were under 20%. + + Unless Benders are as rare as Hen's teeth (in which case there'd be no Benders not pressed into the army anywhere) there's no reason not to more or less fill your entire army with them. +Again, armies are always a fraction of the population. If one tenth of your population was benders, even if you were having an apocalyptic war like the Civil War or WW2, most of your soldiers would still be Benders, why would you ever pass one up? If one fifth of your population was benders, just about every soldier in every war in history would have been a Bender. It's really hard to run a country with more than 20% full time soldiers, long term. If Benders were 1/10, you'd need to be pushing harder than WW2 russia to have more non benders than benders. If Benders were one fifth the population, you'd need to be recruiting almost half your population into the military just to have an even split between benders and non benders. +--- 57873011 +>>57872753 +>The mere presence of benders who have not been conscripted into the military completely crushes the idea that most of the military wouldnt be benders +This +We don't know the statistical bender-normie ratio in Avatarworld, but we can safely presume that Avatar armies are 100% bender +Non-bender soldiers are likely to be support troops, paramilitary and civilian-control security forces. + +>>57872845 +>the group you're ambushing just grow a hasty fortification out of the ground +There's no reason why Earthbender infantry should all be wearing rock "body armour" basically all the time +--- 57873123 +>>57873011 +>should +*shouldn't, sorry +--- 57873189 +>>57873002 +There would still be more non benders in the military than benders. In this industrial war case. +Because, you need more men to support modern day soldiers and their equipment. +So if mobilizing benders for combat is a must, which it wouldn't be, since we have armies of non benders in the avatar world. You would still need more men to support them and you wont put a bender stacking boxes with a forklift, you will send him to the front. +--- 57873190 +>>57872209 +>>57871986 +It's never really touched on in the main show but even non benders can bend the chi in their own bodies to reinforce it to do ridiculous wuxia shit. + +https://youtu.be/C5TWTapl-oA?t=60 [Embed] +--- 57873218 +>>57873190 +>never really touched on +White Lotus included a swordsman with no bending powers +--- 57873250 +The debate of a lifetime. +--- 57873258 +>>57871076 (OP) +>What kind of firearms would each country field in their army? +i could see air nomads using air rifles desu. like potato guns that you can load whatever stones you find on the ground into. + +just wanted to say that diff --git a/k/57871101.txt b/k/57871101.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..43726a3bfa951b3a7d39b815277301047931e369 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57871101.txt @@ -0,0 +1,970 @@ +----- +--- 57871123 +>>57871101 (OP) +Not always +--- 57871127 +>>57871101 (OP) +Because they want easy gibs +--- 57871191 +>>57871101 (OP) +They do? +Idk my GWOT uncle seemed to like it. +--- 57871229 +My boss spent the gulf war driving around with a truck full of c-4 and blowing up abandoned tanks. He says it was the best experience of his life. +--- 57871372 +>>57871101 (OP) +Odds that he "kills himself" in custody? +--- 57871415 +>>57871372 +I bet he'll suddenly become transgender and seek asylum in Russia. +--- 57871437 +>>57871101 (OP) +Probably joined up for brotherhood stuff and couldn't make any friends. +--- 57871443 +>>57871101 (OP) +>join US military out of patriotism +>get forced injection of clot shot +>90% of time is spent in diversity training +>promotion requires being part of the gay mafia +many such cases +--- 57871445 +>>57871101 (OP) +People that dont' regret joining often regret not joining. +Life is full of regrets. +--- 57871454 +>>57871101 (OP) +>Think military is like CoD and super tactical air raids on them terror Chinese Russians +>It's mostly sitting around, doing nothing of value +>Dedust the office phone, rearrange the pebbles in the yard, clean reserve vehicle #324b that had its engine removed 1993 +>Upside is that every superior treats you like a child that is about to kill himself or others at any time +>'No! You can't have a coffee machine in the barracks. Regulation #26838 says it's too dangerous for you to handle. I don't care that you're an electrician! Now go rewire those bomb detonators.' +Honestly I have never understood why anyone joins the military. I'd off myself in a minute. +--- 57871458 +>>57871443 +--- 57871474 +>>57871443 +>clot shot +>diversity +>hunter bidens laptop +>stolen election +>im a free thinker btw +--- 57871476 +>>57871454 +>>'No! You can't have a coffee machine in the barracks. Regulation #26838 says it's too dangerous for you to handle. I don't care that you're an electrician! Now go rewire those bomb detonators.' +Top kek +Euro here, how often does this happen ? +--- 57871477 +>>57871123 +British teeth +--- 57871541 +>>57871454 +Get paycheck, plus benefits, for a boring job that alternates between pushing papers and makework. Get a ton of perks and preferential treatment once you get out plus GI Bill and pension. +--- 57871550 +>>57871477 +All the better to stab you with +--- 57871562 +>>57871229 +That sounds fucking awesome. +--- 57871574 +>>57871101 (OP) +He was an Air Guardsman, I dont think he had anything to actually regret. Did fuck all. Kid was just a retard sounds like +--- 57871602 +>>57871443 +oh shit you suck cock too? +--- 57871623 +>>57871476 +One fucker somewhere 40 years ago leaves a faulty coffee machine running and it starts a fire so now nobody is allowed to have a coffee machine anywhere. +--- 57871635 +What does the military expect +>"huh people don't want to join us" +>"let's make advertisment showing how cool this job is" +>people join +>they realize the military is extremely incompetent and wasteful, a bureaucratic nightmare and you'll most likely be doing repetitive and meaningless tasks +>people don't like this +>"how could this happened" +I've never seen a job that takes as many highly motivated people and turns them into empty husks. +--- 57871636 +>>57871623 +Oh man that's 99% of OSHA +--- 57871653 +>>57871101 (OP) +>get locked into a terrible job for years with mostly terrible people and if you quit you go to prison +>won't really see the benefits until years down the road +It's a mystery +--- 57871712 +>>57871653 +benefits? +--- 57871744 +>>57871476 +I've read barracks regulations in 4 different duty stations, never once have I seen "No you can not have a coffee maker". The most egregious I've seen was "You can not leave a hot plate plugged in unattended"or "You can not use something that produces open flame" at Fort Campbell. +--- 57871764 +>>57871443 +--- 57871784 +>>57871101 (OP) +Because they're actually asocial, inept chuds coming from a sedentary lifestyle with no friends and never having worked a day in their lives. They get a ride awakening in the real world and can't keep up. +--- 57871796 +>>57871101 (OP) +Have you ever worked? Most jobs suck ass and make you feel you're wasting your life away +--- 57871825 +>>57871796 +>Getting paid +>Not living with your parents +>Get to tell your relatives you're somebody, doing something, apart of something at Christmas parties +It doesn't sound too bad +--- 57871834 +>>57871635 +You have to join SOF to do anything exciting and most people aren't physically capable. +--- 57871855 +>>57871764 +You have to go back libtard,we might not like Russians but we still voted Trump. +--- 57871858 +>>57871834 +I mean, I had fun, but I spent about 5 1/2 years out of 8 underwater in a tube +--- 57871861 +>>57871474 +Are there actual DNC shills on /k/ noew? +--- 57871915 +>>57871861 +Push back towards the schizophrenia. The same thing with trannies. I got fucking sick of seeing trannies all the time, so now I treat them poorly. People are getting sick of actual schizoposting (99% of which is blatantly made up), so now you will be treated poorly. You made the bed, lie in it. +--- 57871919 +>>57871861 +This is some ebin discord raid of like 13 trannies. They'll all kill themselves by tonight and nobody will remember their names. +--- 57871926 +>>57871915 +discord tranny shill trying to throw people off their scent +41% yourself +--- 57871946 +>>57871861 +>everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi, i mean, dnc shill! +go home and think about your life. +--- 57871947 +>>57871101 (OP) +We don't. You're retarded. See retention rates and how they differ between services. +--- 57871972 +>>57871372 +Zero in the military since someone's career would be fucked. He'll get a slap on the wrist BCD with perhaps a couple years FCI etc because Leavenworth is full. + +Not even combat zone deserters are punished these days. +--- 57871983 +>>57871926 +Nope, married straight white man with biological children. I just recognize that you fags are a far greater threat to gun rights than anything else in the current political landscape. + +Post gun anon. +--- 57871992 +>>57871764 +Is nuance just not a thing anymore? +Schizoposting about how the vaxx would sterilize the planet using 5G mind control waves is retarded but the claims about it causing heart inflammation or excessive clotting turned out to be true. Why can't anyone admit that? +--- 57872031 +>>57871992 +>WhY cAnT PeePuL +Most people have no problem talking about it. Building up a mundane debate or un-politically-correct fact into an exaggerated strawman is how schizos discredit normal informed discussion. It's reverse fedjacketing. +--- 57872069 +>>57871855 +we did? +--- 57872082 +>>57871992 +>Why can't anyone admit that? +Because no one can have an honest discussion anymore. You're either +>CLOT SHOT WILL KILL EVERYONE +>ANTIVAX CHUD +The vaccine is almost completely harmless, but not taking the vaccine is also almost completely harmless. People need a battle, no matter how arbitrary, to distract themselves from how utterly unimportant and boring their lives are. +--- 57872117 +>>57871101 (OP) +Considering he was a fucking air guardsmen and not actual military, and the fact that he had to turn to Discord for friends it should be obvious to anyone that this guy was a friendless sperg who was probably bullied, rightfully so. +--- 57872130 +>>57872082 +Based reasonable anon +--- 57872153 +>>57871123 +michael fassbender looking dude +--- 57872163 +For me it was +>end up realizing the majority of people in are total retards +>the kit is all beat to shit and lacking in quality +>endless power points about useless bullshit/proper pronouns etc. +>most of the time is spent hurrying up and waiting around or doing nonsense "busy work" +>realizing that you're nothing but a number and a piece of government property +less than 10% of the time was "fun", the rest was bullshit. +--- 57872232 +>>57872082 +This +I’ve come full circle and realized that while refusing to get the vaccine makes you, in effect, a grown-ass man crying about getting a shot that has been proven to be harmless (schizo news and inability to read a white paper or even a graph non-withstanding) +you STILL should be able to choose for 97% of professions. We’re not China, we don’t force medical shit on people. Hell, we let Christian Scientists/Jehovah’s Witnesses kill their kids through inaction. + +Still, anti-vaxx retards really piss me off by all of the sudden pretending to be virologists and geneticists. You fags need to stick to “my body my choice” and never use the word mRNA or “experimental vaccine” or clot-shot again. And if you want us to respect your choice, please respect others’ choices to get vaccinated and stop taking every opportunity to preach the anti-vaxx gospel. You are not a political prisoner, you are not Che Guevera/Rosa Parks making a stand, you’re just (at best) someone who respects freedom of medical choice. + +At this point I’d be happy if everyone just erased all of COVID from didcussion and the history books. +--- 57872237 +>>57871415 +He’s not escaping federal custody but I could see him pulling the tranny card. +--- 57872266 +>>57872232 +>At this point I’d be happy if everyone just erased all of COVID from didcussion and the history books. +Honestly, I would be surprised if it ever got more than a paragraph in history books. 2010-2020 has been a huge historical nothingburger outside of advances in technology, especially compared to the 00s. +--- 57872277 +>>57871992 +> but the claims about it causing heart inflammation or excessive clotting turned out to be true +It’s literally harmless and less than 0.00000001% of the people who have taken it have had severe or life threatening reactions to it. +--- 57872304 +>>57871861 +Bro /k/ is actually infested with recruiters +Any time you talk shit about the military (even if you served like many of us have here), a horde of the cunts will crawl in from the woodworks to call you a vatnik/chink/shill/etc etc, ESPECIALLY since enlistment numbers are at historic lows. +Just look at this shit and tell me with a straight face it didn't come out of some out of touch glownigger thinktank >>57871764 +--- 57872325 +>>57872232 +You follow IFLS too? Hell yeah sister we're so much intelligenter than all of the chuddies here +--- 57872336 +>>57872304 +>Any time you talk shit about the military (even if you served like many of us have here), a horde of the cunts will crawl in from the woodworks to call you a vatnik/chink/shill/etc etc +Part of the problem is that obnoxious faggot that spams tranny shit in every MEG. +--- 57872337 +>>57871635 +America takes motivated people and turns them into empty husks. Best chop your dick off for a modicum of excitement +--- 57872355 +>>57872304 +>like many of us have here +For some reason the conversation always goes: +>wild unsubstantiated claim +>anons point out this is against every regulation, never happened to them and demand to know where did anon serve +>radio silence or buzzword salad about obese nigger dike NCO followed by radio silence +--- 57872366 +>>57871191 +No they don’t. OP is just being a faggot. If anybody “regrets” joining the military it’s in the same capacity that the Average Joe “regrets” making those every day decision that excludes them from partaking in other possibilities they probably were never gonna do anyways. Basically everybody I know who has served in the military looks back upon the experience with fondness or reminiscing, even if the shit they did had nothing to do with combat or the “cool” stuff. +--- 57872376 +>>57872355 +>just dox yourself to prove that you experienced anything weird or wrong in the military +You're right SSG, the military of the United States of America™ is perfect, and has all of us citizens' best interests in mind. In fact, I'm submitting my package to reup right now! +--- 57872377 +>>57872266 +>just a paragraph +>massive society-changing event affecting literally every aspect of life all over the world for at least 2 years +>seismic change industrialism, automation, globalism, supply chains, education, politics, a presidential election, how Americans work, enjoy recreation, +>irreversible impact on demographics, health and science +>radically shifting international relations including but in no way limited to China-American rivalry, Taiwan, EU-UK relations and greatly influencing the drcision to start the first war in Europe since 1945 +>just a paragraph +It is literally a generation-defining, and possibly century-defining moment. The only way it gets a paragraph is if thr September 11 attacks also get a paragraph. And unless this textbook is being published over a thousand years from now, I do not see it being glossed over unless there are colonies in space, interstellar wars and Earth being destroyed to take precedence. +Literally a pivotal moment in 21st-century history +--- 57872395 +>>57872376 +Lmao. Immediate deflection. Bligger, no one is gonna be able to dox you because you provide some background info to an old story. Unless you type out your full fucking name you are safe. +--- 57872403 +>>57871101 (OP) +You go in thinking you'll be doing cool shit and instead you're stuck working 12-14 hours a day so someone else can get an award when they leave. +--- 57872414 +>>57872377 +He's right, but not for the reason he thinks +It won't get much of a blurb in the history books because the people who write them will want it to seem like the post COVID dystopia we're in is normal, and always has been. +--- 57872419 +>>57872395 +Thank you for your service sergeant, how about you post where you're stationed and what BN? Lead by example, isn't that part of the NCO creed? +--- 57872431 +>>57872325 +Don’t know what that means, but pretending to be retarded and being obnoxious is part of the reason why no one ever wants to agree with your side. +I mean I do not see how a democratoc society can force any procedure on people, but arguing with mindbroken 14yos spouting buzzword salad like it is profound or something really makes it hard to speak up and not just let you fags get discriminated against. You are you own worst enemies +--- 57872435 +>>57872377 +Considering how little attention the Spanish Flu gets in generic history books, COVID will get a paragraph and be fucking grateful about it. +--- 57872439 +>>57872419 +>being this assblasted +Lol. +--- 57872453 +>>57872431 +>conveniently leaving out the fact that thousands of people were getting fired for not getting the jab +Sure people may not agree with conservatives because they appear dumb, but people don't agree with leftists because you're all dishonest +--- 57872454 +>>57872419 +>everyone who points out my jewish tricks is a burger soldier +yeah, i'm thinking cringe. +--- 57872464 +>>57872414 +idk about normal, but to me it seems like the natural progression of trends that have been going on for decades, since the 80s at the very least. +--- 57872483 +>>57872414 +Nah everything is gonna be ok, we are all going to make it. Most of us at least. + +>>57872435 +Spanish flu got a paragraph but only because it happebed during WWI. +COVID happened with nothing else except Drumfy to take up space. +--- 57872485 +>>57871477 +British have top 5 healthiest teeth in the world atm. Rationing in the UK meant bad teeth. Nowadays USA has twice the amount of rotten or missing teeth over UK. + +t. Irish who really do have teeth problems +--- 57872491 +>>57872485 +>Rationing in the UK meant bad teeth. +I thought it was because dental work was considered "cosmetic" or something under the NHS +--- 57872492 +because 18 year olds are children. yes there are bad things about the military but they think they are actively being raped when theyre told they have to do their job, the job they voluntarily took with an infinite amount of information about the job readily available. + +What I dont get is the salty guard guys. They work one weekend a month. thats it. They can do literally whatever they want outside of that one weekend a month. Shit when I was contracting overseas we even had guardsmen on the contract. +--- 57872493 +>>57872414 +> the post COVID dystopia +Nigger it’s literally just regular fucking life. Is it great? No! But it’s not some new hell that makes life unlivable or that I have to work myself into conniption fits about. Get off of twitter and /pol/. Go outside. Touch grass. +--- 57872497 +>>57872485 +>British have top 5 healthiest teeth in the world atm. +Are they all in the same mouth? +--- 57872505 +>>57872453 +I mean we are agreeing that you should not have to take the shot. I’m not leaving out shit you retard lmao +Anything to plug the new gospel though, eh? Never let an opportunity go to waste +--- 57872511 +>>57872492 +Why is Jared Leto pointing a SAW at a black man? +--- 57872514 +>>57872419 +No, it isnt. Again, you are making shit up. +--- 57872528 +>>57871229 +Sounds cool, but not everybody gets to do cool shit. Most of the time military life is just boring shit and killing time in the barracks. +--- 57872538 +>>57871458 +>>57871602 +>>57871474 +>>57871764 +Samefag +--- 57872539 +>>57872454 +>>57872439 +>arguing with bots +>arguing with mindbroken /pol/tards or anti-American browns/chinks +Just call them out and move on, no need to waste your life on shitheads. Theyre mad either because theyre bitter, or because theyre getting paid. +Not worth it Anons. +--- 57872546 +>>57872163 +>>57872403 +This was what kept me from joining up. Every story I heard just sounded like another retail job with a fancy title. Basic chores, busy work, dumb power points. I’m sure the guns and stuff are cool, but the shit storm before and after just sounds like too much. All for the “I’m a veteran” line to impress people. +--- 57872554 +>>57872511 +Hatians being hatians and trying to ooga booga a bunch of marines overseeing dispersion of aid, also known as gibsmedat. +--- 57872559 +>>57872505 +>I mean I do not see how a democratoc society can force any procedure on people, +You mean like depriving them of their livelihoods? Quit huffing your own ass fumes you megalomaniacal narcissist +--- 57872568 +>>57872454 +/k/ seems to be the only board that has actual American shills on it, which does make posting here a jarring experience compared to other boards overrun with Russian/Chink/Israeli shills + +Holy fuck try making a negative comment about jews on /tv/ sometime, hell try it in somebody you don't like's thread to bring it to a halt +--- 57872574 +>>57872497 +they are kept in a little baggy in the tower of London. +--- 57872582 +>>57871764 +--- 57872589 +>>57872568 +I'm shocked that a board predominately filled with gun enthusiasts has a lot of Americans. Next you'll tell me there are American shills in /nfl/ +--- 57872611 +>>57871476 +Constantly. It's all ass-covering for insurance reasons +--- 57872612 +>>57872559 +You are just arguing at nothing for the sake of it. Grow up lmao +--- 57872615 +>>57872589 +"American" and "American shill" are two different things. Shit, /k/ definitely wasn't always like this. Once if you went "Man fuck the ATF" or "fuck the FBI" or "fuck the Democrats" you'd get general murmurs of agreement, now it's "NICE TRY VATNIGGER BUT YOU WON'T SUBVERT OUR PEACEFUL DEMOCRACY AND HARDWORKING LAW ENFORCEMENT" +--- 57872630 +>>57871574 +Still haven't seen an explanation as to why an A1C Massachusetts Air Guard was in the fuckkng Pentagon +--- 57872634 +>>57872615 +It's no use arguing with recruiters bro, they get paid to deny reality so that they can groom the naive 16 year olds (like the poor sap OP is talking about) who post here into enlisting +--- 57872640 +>>57871101 (OP) +Starting to think this is fake. The “leaks” first appears on bellingcat source linked to British intel (hi no guns /k/ spammers), and the suspect seems too on the nose for what the feds are triggered over +>muh white make with guns in Minecraft +--- 57872643 +>>57872612 +Concession accepted +--- 57872650 +>>57872640 +White male* +--- 57872654 +>>57872419 +I have served in 2/75, 2/327, 1/509, and 4/3. I have never in my life seen 99% of the shit that /k/ talks about that sucks about the Army, and I do not think it is a simple coincidence that when pressed, almost nobody can give time/location for these incidents, even so much as what Brigade it happened in. I would like the issues in the Army to be settled, but making shit up or misrepresenting what actually happens does not help. +--- 57872660 +>>57872643 +Not even the anon you were replying to, you're just a kid. He literally agreed with you that people should not be forced to take a vaccine, but instead of reading you chose to screech like a nigger. Oh well. +--- 57872661 +>>57871764 +>it was influenza renamed +>the polls were misleading due to the mail-in fraud +>the election was stolen er 'fortified' +>the shots are dangerous +>masks and lockdowns would have been permanent if not for chud pushback against Biden and Fauci +>Chauvin was the victim of domestic terrorists infiltrating the jury +--- 57872668 +>>57872615 +Probably because Russia right now is out niggering the US government. Whenever the Ukraine stuff stops it'll go back to shitting on feds, or chinks- I don't fucking know. +--- 57872671 +>>57871101 (OP) +I wouldn't regret joining, but I regret staying in for so long. + +If I were you all, do the absolute minimum contract you can get, and use the free gibs and free training for something you can do on the outside. + +I was a poor white boy with basically zero prospects in my small town, and I'm poor and white so there's no way I'm affording to go to college without getting in crippling debt. I joined up, and it got me out, and that I'm thankful for. + +The military is a gigantic, wasteful machine that will chew you up and spit you out. It is constantly rife with asinine requirements, and as a grown as man you have zero control about where you live or what your schedule is. Often times it is controlled by someone with a room temperature IQ. It's very susceptible to whatever political fiasco is going on. Last year it was the vax, this year it's troons, etc. + +99% of the time you're going to be doing dumb, menial tasks that don't really matter. There's a very small number of people that actually go do the call of duty shit, and they're special ops. If you're on 4chan you're not going to be special ops. + +I would suggest doing the military, but only if you're going to do it right. Have the right reasons for going in, because if it's blind patriotism you're going to be sorely disappointed. Pick an MOS or AFSC that will set you up on the outside, and do the minimum enlistment/commission. Use every bit of gibs they give you, because the military will get their pound of flesh out of you. +--- 57872674 +>>57871855 +Look at this fag that actually voots +--- 57872678 +>>57872630 +Why not? Do you think it's only E-8's and zero junior enlisted? +--- 57872688 +>>57872277 +>40/100,000 young people develop a permanent heart condition they wouldn't have otherwise had for an illness that wouldn't hurt them +Is this new-age cuckposting or old school schizo posting? +--- 57872702 +>>57871858 +At least you got a good pay.... Right? +--- 57872703 +>>57872082 +The shots are 20-30 times more dangerous for healthy young people than Covid is; the risks even out at 50+ demographic +--- 57872706 +>>57872688 +no it didn't cope more faggot. +--- 57872710 +>>57871764 +Does not go back far enough. +Anyone else remember how FEMA was working for the UN NWO Jews and was body-bagging every patriotic white Southerner during Katrina? +Anyone else remember how Obamacare was going to create death panels that executed your grandma against her wishes? +Anyone else remember how Dennis Hastert is a good boy who dindu nuffin, the claims he rapes kids are a liberal smear campaign? +I remember... They just move past the narratives that don't work out and memoryhole them +--- 57872714 +>>57872355 +>Video evidence of X is shown +>This is against military regulation +>Okay but it happened +>No it didn't it's against military regulation +>Okay then why did it happen +>... RUSSIAN SHILL!!!! + +We just got a US navy video where it shows them talking to sailors at Bahrain about how they have been instructing their children once they reach the age of 12 about Gender identity and they don't need to parents permission to get Hormone treatment while on base. +--- 57872717 +>>57872232 +>just let everyone forgot about the mass psychosis the population underwent from systemic media propaganda +Fuck off nu/k/ +--- 57872720 +>>57872710 +Haha yeah +Remember when we had to stay in Afghanistan because Putin was paying the Taliban for every American they killed +Whatever happened with that anyway +--- 57872735 +>>57872355 +Wow it's like any EO or SARC investigation except the villian isn't the nearest white guy +--- 57872737 +>>57872714 +Could you just, idk, substantiate that claim +--- 57872740 +>>57872717 +The best part about nu-/k/ are the ones pushing for common sense gun control and red flag laws! If don't like authoritative governments then you are a Vatnigger/Pajeet/Chink shill! + +Never question the government!!!! + +>>57871101 (OP) +Have you seen the shit being pushed by the military? You wonder why its recruiting is so fucking low? +--- 57872747 +>>57872304 +It’s not recruiters Anon 100% just kids who are idealize the military due to vidya and being into war/mil culture, (future US army soldier types) and boots who just joined and are hopped up on patriotism coolaid. Honestly I think it’s the same the same with the Vatniks. I mean read half of the posts on here, no way these mfs are above the age of 23 let’s be real. +--- 57872755 +>>57872435 +Spanish Flu's effects were overshadowed by WW1; all it did was make WW1 fallout a little bit worse. Covid came out of a vacuum and had heaps of social, political, and economic consequences thay wouldn't have existed or been percieved without it +--- 57872759 +>>57872710 +Let's go back even farther +>Bush did 9/11 +>Diebold hacked the elections +>Reagan sabotaged the Iran hostage rescue +>The hole in the ozone layer will kill us all by the year 2000 +--- 57872761 +>>57871101 (OP) +Many such cases! +--- 57872762 +>>57872559 +>i think people shouldnt have to get the shot +>i agree +>ok +>HEY WHAT ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO GOT FIRED? STOP HUFFING YOUR OWN FARTS!!! you think youre better than me +What part of “should NOT HAVE TO GET IT” are you struggling with retard? +--- 57872769 +>>57871858 +does the sub ever surface on a calm day and you get to do cannonballs and go swimming? +--- 57872771 +>>57871101 (OP) +because its a garbage job with garbage pay that will get you crappy healthcare afterwards and a life time of trauma and useless job experience that will get you no where. +--- 57872775 +>>57872492 +It's because they want to do drugs like their friends but they can't. It's literally all about weed and ecstasy +--- 57872778 +>>57872710 +Kek I remember my dad unironically telling me that FEMA death camps WERE COMING by 2005. +--- 57872782 +>>57872737 +>I cant use google. +--- 57872783 +>>57872762 +>What part of “should NOT HAVE TO GET IT” are you struggling with retard? +The part where virtually everywhere in the US is an At-will employment state and your employer can end their relationship with you at any moment for virtually any reason. +--- 57872786 +>>57871101 (OP) +>Air National Guard... + +He didn't even joined the real military. +--- 57872794 +A lot of guys who 'regret' joining have either wasted the opportunities the job has offered them, or have realized that just getting through recruit training and becoming a soldier doesn't make you any less of the loser you were before, it takes effort to shake that. And so they remain losers, but are now jaded because the it wasn't what they thought it would be. + +Thats not to say that everyone who leaves is a loser, not at all, tonnes of guys have every right to leave and a lot of guys move to better jobs and lives, but I can guarantee that most of them will say that the time they spent wasn't wasted there and they learned something while in the ranks and it was worth the time. Atleast thats the case here anyway. +--- 57872796 +>>57872678 +1. Why is an e3 in the Pentagon when O6s are fetching coffee +2. Why is a MA Air Guard in the Pentagon +3. Fuck you +--- 57872798 +>>57872761 +This is a peak example of a useless statistic. If every veteran earns the "veteran" tag for the rest of their life, regardless of what they did, hownlong they served, or if its been 1 day or 100 years since they got out, of fucking course that number will be inflated. Especially when there's millions and millions of "veterans" running around. +--- 57872802 +>>57872759 +>Reagan sabotaged the hostage crisis +That one actually turned out to be true, a Reagan admin member just had a mea culpa moment because he realized Carter is about to die and the guilt was weighing on him. +https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/18/us/politics/jimmy-carter-october-surprise-iran-hostages.html +--- 57872804 +>>57872706 +>I can't hear you lalala +You showed him +Are you upset they tricked and forced you into taking it while there was no real net positive for anyone below 60 as it turned out? +--- 57872806 +>>57872706 +>myocarditis don't real +Even the politically infested CDC admitted the myocarditis numbers were real +--- 57872807 +The political alignment of the antivax thing is weird just because most of the people most loudly defending Pfizer are the same people who ten years ago would have called for Pfizer's board of directors to be executed for crimes against humanity + +The immense success corporations have had at completely taking control of the formerly common "corporations are evil" contingent is actually one of the most baffling things I've ever seen +--- 57872812 +>>57872806 +Wouldn't that in fact mean the CDC is significantly less biased than you think? +--- 57872815 +>>57872802 +>it's true +>because a guy suddenly remembered it, 40 years later, in the New York Times +--- 57872828 +Can someone explain to me what the US national air guard is, if it's not a reserve but a full time job? ? +--- 57872830 +>>57872717 +>people freaked out during a pandemic that killed over ONE MILLION surplus people in little over a year +>half the country is so butthurt and easy to agitate they can’t even put on a mask in a hospital WHICH YOU SHOULD DO REGARDLESS +yeah pretty crazy how unreasonable people can be! +--- 57872834 +>>57872804 +>>57872806 + +idk I've gotten 5 of the shots and I was one of the first to get it, still waiting on this shit to kill me like retards on /k/ and /pol/ have said for the last 3 years. +--- 57872835 +>>57872740 +>let's alienate our most loyal recruiting demographic of white Southern men by pushing feminism, blacks, and homosexuality to the forefront of every organization +The military is retarded because those categories (women, Northern/metropolitan gays, and inner city blacks) will never join the military in sufficient numbers to replace the people that are driven away by it, and even if they did they make terrible recruits +--- 57872847 +>>57872830 +>put on a mask in a hospital WHICH YOU SHOULD DO REGARDLESS +The absolute only times I have ever seen random people in hospitals wearing masks before rona is when they were around premature infants +--- 57872855 +>>57872740 +>t. pajeet/chink/europoor +We don’t have an echochamber here Pablo, people are allowed to have opinions. But you probably got here last month at the latest so its probably really different from your home board tourist scum +--- 57872860 +>>57872491 +Cosmetic dental work is considered non essential. But actual dental work, ie. filling cavities is pretty cheap. I do one dental visit a year on the NHS, costs me £23.80. I don't need fillings normally, but when they do it costs me £68. And these are big prince increases over what they were. + +>>57872497 +It's one of those peculiar myths that are extremely enduring. I saw more jacked up mouths in the Appalachians than I ever saw in the UK. +--- 57872864 +>>57872835 +The demographics are the issue, simply put most Americans of military age now are BIPOC and/or LGBTQ, and those proportions are only projected to *increase* for the foreseeable future. If the military continues being "a straight christian southern white" thing then there won't be any more military because everyone like that in America is dead or in a nursing home. +--- 57872866 +>>57871992 +>Schizoposting about how the vaxx would sterilize the planet using 5G mind control waves is retarded but the claims about it causing +>the vaxx +>it +See anon, you ALREADY descended into loony territory with "there is only one vaccine", when there were a bunch of different vaccines using radically different technologies. Say "it caused" and just mixing them all together, as well as completely ignoring causality and law of large numbers, is just so fucking dumb. What the hell man? Even to the extent you want to claim certain things about one or another you'd need to identify what you're talking about. That you just lump every single last thing into "vaccine" is everything that's wrong with all the schizos whining about it. + +>>57871101 (OP) +As far as OP's question, he probably went in expecting a video game, and got a JOB. And one at a gigantic megaorg too, not some tiny startup where everyone wears a bunch of hats. Actual military is work, not a game. It's mostly downtime, even if you're deployed, vs an NG desk job or whatever. Like most jobs maybe you can find a good niche or make friends with coworkers but its not a given and a lot of it is just the daily boring grind for a paycheck. Welcome to adult life. + +Of course a lot of young folks in general are victim to bullshit expectations about how they have to feel SELF ACTUALIZED or whatever. Sorry, sometimes you just need to work to have a roof, eat, fund hobbies, and be able to retire someday. +--- 57872867 +>>57872812 +--- 57872875 +>>57872834 +Post booster card or GTFO +--- 57872886 +>>57872747 +Yup this 100% +--- 57872888 +>>57872783 +NONE OF THAT SHIT NEGATES WHAT I SAID YOU DUMB FUCK +youre arguing with me for no fucking reason. And this is why everyone hates you +--- 57872902 +>>57871101 (OP) +>Why do people always regret joining? +Because Military related media like games and movies do a great job at showing off the brotherhood and comradery of the military, On top of the career prospects that the military provides it can seem very appealing. The problem is that unless you know service members you don't really know about the metric shit tons of bureaucracy and BS that you will have to put up with on top of the lack of freedom being something you don't really understand how much you will miss until you are missing it and thats not even mentioning the how fucking boring military life is. OFC most people regret it, Generation Kill is probably the best representation we have ever gotten on film and even still it manages to glamorize military life. +--- 57872909 +>>57872828 +Air Force units that work for State governments instead of the federal government but are still coordinated through the federal Department of Defense +They have some full-time members to keep the lights on but most of their manpower are weekend warriors that wear their uniform 36 days a year +--- 57872910 +>>57871101 (OP) +Lack of comfort women brothels, and also this>>57871443 +--- 57872929 +>>57872830 +>killed one million surplus +Oh no all the fatties and Boomers thay were hanging on by their finger tips and would have malingered for another 5+ years in hospice were pushed out at once how horrible +--- 57872939 +>>57872902 +>>57872866 +this seems reasonable. Even I heard ahead that war is "99% waiting, 1% being terrified" or something like that, but yeah not how media portrays it. Even the most realistic games and movies still tend to focus on the 1%. And of course if the military judges you as a bad fit in one area and a good one in another that's that. +--- 57872941 +>>57872815 +He has receipts +It's also clearly not politically motivated, everyone involved is pretty much dead at this point. He's just doing this because he feels like shit about it, and he wants Carter to die with the knowledge he wasn't an incompetent president, he was screwed over by the Deep State + +It is a little wild to me that you guys have woken up to the Deep State existing, but don't want to acknowledge the roles it played in previous elections. Perhaps because it nearly always tampered to favor Republicans? + +Let me guess though, you have a TheGrayZone report explaining why you can't trust anything from the lamestream media, even if it comes with evidence? +--- 57872942 +>>57872834 +>Only five +ARE YOU TRYING TO GET PEOPLE KILLED? +also, have you considered that there could be a more nuanced view on this like I mentioned before? Or are you infact older than 60 where I would actually say that it was a reasonable decision? +--- 57872960 +>>57872815 +NTA but +>hostages released the INSTANT Reagan gets inaugurated +>administration literally commits treason with Iran-contra +>literally selling weapons to our greatest enemy after Russia +>but curiously, you helped them after they curiously, inexplicably helped you +He is only admitting what everyone with half a brain sort of assumed +--- 57872961 +>>57872864 +Then we're done as a country unless those 'BIPOC' and 'LGBT' communities spontaneously develop the cultural traits that make them patriotic and willing to accept limitations on their whiny hedonistic lifestyles for a greater cause. +They won't, because those groups are defined entirely by their whininess and narcissism and its evil to 'oppress' them by saying things like drive bys and orgies are socially bad +--- 57872962 +>>57872909 +Ok, why do they have access to data concerning the war in ukraine if they work for the State? +>They have some full-time members to keep the lights on +Like those F22 which took down the chinese balloon? +--- 57872964 +>>57872782 +I accept your concession. +> make claim +> can you prove claim +> well uh no I can't uhhh you should just find it yourself +You are a kike +--- 57872968 +>>57872232 +This post was typed by redditfag hands. +--- 57872972 +>>57872941 +>TheGrayZone +I don't know what the fuck that is, yet contextually grasp enough to know you're enough of a faggot to know what that is, just like when I tell somebody some movie is shit and they're like "OH, I BET YOU HEARD THAT FROM DARKLORDWOKEDESTROYER69 ON YOUTUBE" + +Nah man fuck you +--- 57872974 +>vax shills still haven't killed themselves after it turned out the covid vaccine was unnecessary, ineffective, and would have been pulled under normal circumstances +--- 57872984 +>>57872930 +fuck russia, and fuck china +--- 57873004 +>why do people regret join the military +>100+ replies +>oh this might be interesting +>its just spergs arguing about the vax as if thats has anything to do with it +--- 57873014 +>>57871101 (OP) +Depends, if you have the skills to get a college degree or even a 2-year degree with certifications, you can make a hell of a lot of money. The guy was working IT full time as a NG enlisted, you're making a third of what you would civilian doing IT/sys admin as you are a lowly enlisted. +--- 57873015 +>>57872941 +>he wants Carter to die with the knowledge he wasn't an incompetent president +I have some bad news for him. +--- 57873017 +>>57872888 +>reee none of it matters +ok so then this myocarditis is a complete non-issue as its statistical noise +--- 57873018 +>>57872847 +Not even paramedics did +But tards weren’t even doing it while waiting for hours and hours in the ER in March/April/May of 2022 just to prove a point, which to me speaks of hysteria of a different kind. + +>>57872929 +Not only those people, and still a big deal +regardless +--- 57873033 +>>57872929 +Like clockwork, the schizo admits he actually doesn't care about human life until it feels convenient for him. +>>57872783 +This is why nobody likes your kind in the real world. It is a fucking shame, you can't help but schizo out over nothing. You are just arguing to argue over nonsense, and as such any redeeming quality you have is immediately disregarded by the general public. You are a larger threat to the 2nd Amendment and general freedom than anyone else because you fail to see that, and your opposition does see it. +>>57872796 +One of my Soldiers worked in the Pentagon as an E-3 out of the Old Guard. +>>57872930 +"Oh no a rainbow, my entire world is COLLAPSING!" +This is the biggest reason I dropped the Republican party this year, all the shit we could have focused on and we chose "rainbows and bathrooms" to pretend to be enraged over. Ridiculous. +>>57873004 +Anon, you are on 4chan, the heckin' culture war exists here more than anywhere else on Earth. +--- 57873034 +>>57872974 +Sunken cost fallacy and all that +Thank god health insurance in my cunt won't pay for their snakeoil anymore +--- 57873035 +>57873004 +Back to /sci/ +--- 57873045 +>>57873004 +Most threads about enlistment get ruined by one anon's personal retarded crusade against the vax and globohomo +--- 57873048 +>>57873033 +>This is why nobody likes your kind in the real world. It is a fucking shame, you can't help but schizo out over nothing. You are just arguing to argue over nonsense, and as such any redeeming quality you have is immediately disregarded by the general public. You are a larger threat to the 2nd Amendment and general freedom than anyone else because you fail to see that, and your opposition does see it. +Theres nothing schizo about it. It's a fact. Your employer can fire you for virtually any reason including not having an up to date vaccine history. + +This is literally what freedom means, you aren't immune from the two-way road nature of freedom. +--- 57873053 +>>57872968 +Sounds like projection to me, I dont go there or know anything about it other than what you fags shout about it +--- 57873058 +For me it was the politics. Marine Corps is filled with tards, of course, but you'll noticed that it isn't just the enlisted. From my experience, you're either dumb enough to shovel the shit, get taken advantaged of, and stay in for the gibs after 20 years, or you're the very snake that takes advantage while claiming the former tard's work for yourself. +The most harrowing shit is when a Master Gun's told us he only stayed in because that's all he knew since he joined outta highschool and our old Sgt Maj got out and in our last formation with him he just told us the same thing and that "guess I'll work at Walmart now." Final nail in the coffin of my motivation was when our new Master Gun's told us we're basically the biggest LARPing organization in the world especially after we just negotiated with the terrorists +--- 57873059 +>>57873004 +>anything to do with it +Welp, the Army discharged about 20,000 guys for refusing to vax +How many guys short are they this year? 15,000? +Turns out the vaxxie loss is BIGGER than the recruitment shortfall lmao +--- 57873060 +>>57873045 +Go away. You're not fitting in +--- 57873061 +>>57873014 +This is the actual reason that recruiting is falling, btw. Pay is not competitive, and social media's proliferation means everyone knows it fully well, so you miss out on a huge portion of the workforce. There is no war, so you don't get the kids who want to just blow shit up. That's really it. +>>57873048 +Jesus Christ anon, learn to fucking read. You are kvetching because we agreed with you and you just want to kvetch. Go back to your synagogue. +--- 57873066 +>>57872960 +>our greatest enemy after Russia +You don't speak for America, Israel. +--- 57873079 +Enlisting in the military is fucking stupid +>not paid enough +>won't get you anywhere +>only retards do it +>struggle to get out of E5 even after years +>VA healthcare is garbage +>GI bill is only redeeming factor +guaranteed to get some rare cancer from something stupid and the government will deny your care for years. +--- 57873082 +>>57873059 +> made up numbers +It was less than 9k across the entire Department of Defense. See again: You are your greatest defeat because you, like a kike, can not help but lie. +--- 57873089 +>>57873017 +>STILL arguing because you are incapable of read comprehension and don’t onow this entire convo has been pointless since I agreed with you 5 posts back at the onset +oh /pol/tards, how do you even get dressed in the morning lmao +--- 57873097 +>>57873060 +Good. +--- 57873105 +>>57873097 +Feel free to leave anytime +--- 57873107 +>>57873089 +idk what you're malding about. No one cares you didn't get a vaccine even though you got the first 100+ from birth till you were 15 or something. +--- 57873110 +>>57873066 +Idk taking over an embassy, bombing the barracks, and holding hostages is pretty fucked +--- 57873111 +>>57873033 +The feedback loop over faggotry isn't one-sided, there's such an absurd push of "If you're not gay, you're not American" that it shouldn't come as a shock when a certain number of people go "Welp guess I'm not American lol" + +I mean look at that fuckin' Biden speech he gave last week where he was like "Trans people are the soul of America" and tell me any given chink or vatnigger shill wouldn't go "You got that right, buddy" +--- 57873119 +>>57873089 +No one gives a fuck +--- 57873121 +>>57873061 +>This is the actual reason that recruiting is falling, btw. +While /k/ goes on about current culture war stuff in excess theirs tons of actual cynicism in the armed forces. It's not just pay, the war on terror really undermined trust in the military for guys that were really the bread and butter of the Enlisted. +Every millennial I know went into the army burning alive with patriotism and came out cynics. +--- 57873124 +>>57872962 +>why are they in the Pentagon +Good question. I'm trying to figure that out myself +>like the F22s? +Yeah some guard units maintain aircraft fleets +--- 57873125 +>>57873082 +https://www.wnd.com/2022/10/biden-admin-defends-kicking-20000-active-troops-vaccine/ +--- 57873131 +>>57873105 +Make me. +--- 57873135 +>>57873059 +>Welp, the Army discharged about 20,000 guys for refusing to vax +>The Army got rid of people that refused to take the vax is the same as "i regret joining the military because they made me take the vax" +My brother got out of Navy less than a year ago, he was an radar operator on a fast attack sub and he had to get tested ever 3 fucking days the test where they jam a q tip into your fucking nose and scratch your brain. The vax or the testing is not even in his top 100 complaints about Military life. +--- 57873138 +>>57873061 +>This is the actual reason that recruiting is falling, btw. +lol no, recruiting is failing because its a shit deal. People are very aware of the issues more than ever and they're realizing its better to make 18 dollars an hour at mcdicks than to go get involved in that shit. +--- 57873140 +>>57873107 +I’m not arguing with you since we agree it should not be mandatory :) +I will be here if you want to apologize for wasting both of our resp. time though +--- 57873144 +>>57872703 +L M A O +No they are not you tremendous fag. +--- 57873150 +There's a nuce button for that +--- 57873152 +>>57871101 (OP) +There's two options: + +1) They are in love with the aesthetics but don't realize the work and pain involved in boot camp to grind you down and then remake you into what the military wants. + +2) They are psychopaths that want to legally be able to kill someone, and it turns out the military filters them to be janitors because such people can't be trusted on the battlefield to listen to commands or hold fire on civvies. +--- 57873157 +>>57873140 +>I'm not arguing +ok then stop malding and stop replying creeper. +--- 57873158 +>>57872796 +>Why is an e3 in the Pentagon when O6s are fetching coffee + +Enlisted aren't allowed to "fetch coffee" for officers unless you're at sea in thr Navy. Guardsmen have drill and AT periods which can result in them having to work anywhere including Active Duty posts. +--- 57873163 +>>57873124 +So any fucking unit, even a reserve has full access to any data that the pentagon has? Are you serious? +No wonder why the China stole the plans of the F35 so easily. +--- 57873169 +>>57872961 +>Then we're done as a country unless those 'BIPOC' and 'LGBT' communities spontaneously develop the cultural traits that make them patriotic and willing to accept limitations on their whiny hedonistic lifestyles +--- 57873173 +>>57873110 +So was couping their government and installing a strong man against their will so that Tel Aviv felt comfy. +--- 57873191 +>>57872796 +Lmao suck my dick and choke on it, retard. Little faggot. +--- 57873192 +>>57873169 +Have you tried sucking less cock? +--- 57873198 +>army makes you get weird experimental vaccines all the time +>ree I don't wnana get THIS particular one +ok retards, theres a reason why you're all POGs +--- 57873201 +>>57872984 +>>57873033 + +A couple more shill posts and you can finally afford to transition. +--- 57873202 +>>57873111 +This "If you're not gay, you're not American" thing only exists in your mind and on social media which follows the algorithm you enjoy responding to. Unironically go outside. +""Trans people are the soul of America" Yes anon, politicians tend to take the side of people who get shit on by their opposition. +>>57873125 +> zero source +This is how you ended up crazy, by the way. You did not apply healthy skepticism to sources that suit your feelings. +>>57873138 +You just repeated what I said to in different words... It is better to work a full time job flipping burgers because a high stress job in the DoD isn't worth the same tier of pay. +>>57873135 +Why do you feel the need to lie about numbers? I know you're lying, you know you're lying, the audience who is interested knows you're lying. Are you unironically a rabbi? If you believe in your point, why not argue it from a factual standpoint? +>>57873152 +You have not been enlisted and it shows. If you're a faggot nutjob who just wants to shoot people, it is very easy to go be an 11b in wartime and wait until your chance appears. It's pretty straightforward. +--- 57873204 +>>57873169 +Yes, that is in fact what a trans person looks like. Including the one that shot a bunch of 9 year olds. +--- 57873212 +>>57873004 +The military forced everyone to get an experimental drug for a non-fatal illness on pain of a dishonorable discharge (a felony), only to do a 180 once it was revealed by actual science to be non-effective and harmful. Everyone in knows someone that got fucked and then watched DoD pretend it didn't happen and even if it did they were justified, which is slimeball organizational behavior +AngryCops has good coverage of it +--- 57873214 +>>57872830 +I want reddit to leave. +--- 57873219 +>>57871123 +They don't like it up em you see +They do not like it up them +--- 57873223 +>>57873201 +> making my point for me +You can literally only think in terms of "TRANNIES GAYS FAGS TRANNIES GAYS FAGS TRANNIES". It's like a script and it's ruining your mind. The absolute top tier of shitposting against troons is that they're usually fucking ugly, which goes back to my original point: Who the fuck cares, lmao, unless you're just mad you can't fuck an ugly troon because you're a closet fag. +--- 57873224 +>>57873212 +>The military forced everyone to get an experimental drug +They've been doing this for 60 years dude, this isn't the first rodeo of experimental vaccines or drugs. +--- 57873239 +>>57871229 +its like you are in logistics or cook +--- 57873245 +>>57873079 +Officer in NG/ANG is truly the patrician choice. +>Get to do your normal, well-paying job most of the year outside of weekend warrior stuff or training +>Occasional deployments for short periods of time, often to interesting places that aren't solely the sandbox +>Mil officer benefits +>Get the training and experience of the military to boot +>Can still come home and enjoy your comfy home (not barracks or base housing), live where you want within your home state, continue your career +Enlisting is fucking stupid unless it's for intel and as a way to get your foot in the door for later spook shit, and even then you're better off just getting a history or political science degree and going officer for that anyways. +--- 57873246 +>>57873018 +>not only those people +No it was only those people. No one died unless you had 2+ risk factors, which were being x>50, having chronic health issues, and being obese. Everyone that died of Covid was ER bait +--- 57873251 +>>57873223 +Shut up retard +--- 57873254 +>>57873212 +> for a non-fatal illness +Why do you faggots keep running with this class line? Is was clearly dangerous to the elderly but yet you showed no concern for them and only for your schizo self because you’re afraid of a harmless shot. +--- 57873261 +>>57873251 +Boo hoo faggot. Fix your mind, you turned into a fucking loser seething about stupid bullshit you can never impact on 4channel. +--- 57873265 +>>57873261 +Didn't read +--- 57873266 +>>57873254 +They'll say shit like "who cares about them they'll die eventually" only to ignore that their parents or grandparents would be susceptible or that they'll be old some day too and wouldn't appreciate the apathy. +--- 57873270 +>>57873246 +You are fine specimen of humanity. Truly in awe of your compassion. +--- 57873282 +>>57873202 +>listen you lying jew the government doesn't pander to trannies and trans people ARE the soul of America +holy shit dude +--- 57873284 +Covidfags are the biggest most selfish schizos on the planet +--- 57873295 +>>57873033 +Wtf +>capitalizing soldiers +>Old Guard +>it's called being a decent fucking person +>I used to be Republican but they don't subscribe to extreme left anti-American social policies +--- 57873298 +>>57873202 +>Why do you feel the need to lie about numbers? I know you're lying, you know you're lying, the audience who is interested knows you're lying. Are you unironically a rabbi? If you believe in your point, why not argue it from a factual standpoint? +I am arguing about my experience dealing with servicemen from friends and family the vax is a fraction of an issue that you /pol/ brain rot has lead you to believe is a huge problem among servicemen. Here's a news flash most servicemen are NPC retards just like the general population and the reason most people hate military life is because its nothing but boring work dealing constant bullshit bureaucracy the vax is fucking drop in the bucket in an ocean of bullshit and I am sorry that the issue has made itself a rent free home in your head. +--- 57873309 +>>57873282 +lol +--- 57873312 +>>57873212 +>>57873224 +NTA but I have always been baffled by "The military has always exposed recruits to numerous hazardous chemicals" being used as a PRO-recruitment talking point +Sure, take COVID out of the equation, talk about Agent Orange, or depleted uranium, or the indisputably incredibly hazardous Anthrax vaccine that's so statistically dangerous that no medical authority really wants to give it to anybody unless there's a horrible pressing risk they'll definitely get Anthrax and it's only still legal because Anthrax is that fucking dangerous + +How the fuck is "just get cancer lol stop being a pussy" the recrooter side of the argument, when in fact it should be one of the strongest anti-service arguments? diff --git a/k/57871365.txt b/k/57871365.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d352658cd90a2e32c12fac52220f1474d949ea6f --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57871365.txt @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +----- +--- 57871365 +>the Sudanese army is fielding more modern tanks than russia +--- 57871967 +you are mentally ill +--- 57872008 +>>57871967 +>T-55 is newer than a T-72 +buckbroken vatnig cope +--- 57872108 +>>57871365 (OP) +"Nigeria with snow" is genuinely unfair to Nigeria at this point +I'm looking forward to the transition to "1990s Somalia with snow" +--- 57872183 +>>57871365 (OP) +yes and? +--- 57872413 +>>57872108 +weren't they already calle 'Upper Volta with the rockets' during cold war? Back when Burkina Faso was still called Upper Volta +--- 57872422 +>>57871365 (OP) +I'm sure 101% sure Russia still more T-72 tanks than Somalia. +--- 57872429 +Is the T-62 and T-55 still a Tank? +Yes. +Is it still capable of shrugging off Javelin missiles and any other made in Mexico NATO garbage? +Yes. +Can it still defeat the M1A2 in most conditions? +Yes. +Is OP a tranny a nazi or NATO shill? +This is all Yes. +--- 57872446 +>>57871365 (OP) +Ukraine lost 20% of their territory to that? +--- 57872461 +>>57872429 +Everything you have said is wrong, on multiple levels in fact. Nice bait + +>>57872446 +In fact they lost 20% of their terri to T72s and stuff. But those are all gone pretty much. So expect that percentage to go down this summer by quite a lot +--- 57872488 +>>57872461 +Great, so we can stop sending so much aid to Ukraine since russias weapons are gone. They got this, just 2 more months. +--- 57872567 +>>57872429 +You dirty nigger a fucking rpg 7 pg29v rapes a t-55 or a t64 +--- 57872602 +>>57872488 +No, we have to double the funding so we can rebuild them. +--- 57872624 +>>57871365 (OP) +Sudanese nuts +--- 57872641 +>>57872446 +That percentage becomes quite miserable when you remember Russia already had Crimea and DPR/LPR +--- 57872715 +>>57872429 +>Is it still capable of shrugging off Javelin missiles +good one anon. The only thing Russia fields that can potentially shrug off a javelin must be war ships, and even then only just barely +--- 57872766 +>>57872488 +We can't stop until another Russian dissolution. +--- 57872917 +>>57872108 +I'm a full blown white supremacist. And honestly, a lot of the shit Nigeria gets is unwarranted. Out of all the niggers of this world, they managed to somewhat lift themselves from the dirt. In 30 years they managed to become something akin to a genuine country. Good for them (hope they stay there). +So all these comparissons with Russia are just fucking unfair. Nigeria is massively more competent, honest and overall a better place and people than R*ssia. +--- 57872977 +>>57872488 +In fairness yeah you are right. The 800 MBTs and IFVs we've sent should be enough. +--- 57873052 +>>57872917 + +The Igbo are the impressive group you're talking about - they were one of the three main ethnic groups in Nigeria along with the Yoruba and the Hausa. The Hausa took over Nigeria back in the 60s and were the bottom of the barrel retard durka group living in the north who wanted sharia and slavery. The Igbo in the south told them to fuck off and tried to go for independence but the West didn't want to scare the other African states that they'd support secessionists at a whim so they backed Hausa-run Nigeria. In the UK, the Igbo immigrants have significantly higher success in academics and business than Afro-Carribeans. + +If you want an actual African miracle, Rwanda is pretty exceptional in that they have a lower crime/murder rate than America, albeit it's all based on a myth that the President is a hero instead of the guy who killed the Hutu leader in 1994, which started the genocide in the first place. Botswan, Zambia and Namibia are also pretty successful, in no small part due to not shitting on their white minorities all the time (Botswana's President is half white while Zambia even recently had a democraticly approved white president). +--- 57873217 +>>57873052 + +Oh, in addition to that, I follow South African news tangentially. At this point, Blacks hate the Indians/Asians even more than whites because the poos were also under Apartheid but have proceeded to be quite entrepeneurial and this has humiliated the Blacks in the process as it disproves the idea whites are deliberately holding them back (fucking 'how' would be the question given Blacks run every institution). Everything east of Cape Town is certain death. Ramaphosa is hated by Zulus because he's a Venda (Zulus traditionally consider the Vendas to be grovelling cucks) while they were also pissed they went after Zuma (a Zulu) and consider it razist n sheeit so they burned down some poo businesses in Durban. There almost certainly won't be a full race war (against who?), but there will be a Venezuelan style near total collapse that stops barely short of a full Haiti if for no other reason than that the Cape is going to secede before that becomes a real possibility. + +Zimbabwe never recovered from kicking out the whites - even after they dumped Mugabe they've just got another kleptocracy. Ethiopia is in constant on and off civil war, along with the Congo and most of interior Africa. Frankly at this rate Somaliland is a better prospect than 90% of the continent's states. diff --git a/k/57871381.txt b/k/57871381.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..10944db6a6cd4198f4935beb7c4f2a7e06ad15b8 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57871381.txt @@ -0,0 +1,55 @@ +----- +--- 57871381 +What would if you were a russian mobik facing the kontakt-mobile? +--- 57871392 +>>57871381 (OP) +it is Ukrainian T-64 +--- 57871405 +>Shoot weapon station +--- 57871407 +>>57871392 +Not exactly, it has the T-64 chassis and turret but not the cannon, they use it as an IFV +--- 57871438 +Make like Casper the Friendly Ghost and try to disappear. + Try to poop out an AT mine or two before doing so. + + Pop in behind it and zap it with an NLAW +--- 57871466 +>>57871381 (OP) +Pray they are taking prisoners, otherwise die. +--- 57871475 +>>57871381 (OP) +--- 57871501 +>>57871381 (OP) +>my warthunder instincts tell me to shoot the cann- +what the fuck +--- 57871820 +>>57871407 +How? Why? +--- 57872152 +>>57871820 +Anon they're using whatever they can get their hands on. +--- 57872275 +>>57871820 +My guess is that either it was a T-64 and the cannon was fucked in some way so they ditched it and slapped a weapon station on top of it or they had uncomplete T-64 lying around and decided to do some gypsy engineering +--- 57872286 +>>57871407 +Open topped? +--- 57872310 +>>57871381 (OP) +make contact with the kontakt +--- 57872398 +>>57871381 (OP) +We make our jokes and all then they go and make the Kontraktor-1. + +How is this even an IFV, you still can't fit troops in it. +--- 57872423 +>>57872398 +Pull out the radio, sights and gun and you can prob fit 2 more people. Three or four riding on the rear behind that extra steel side plate on top of the engine and cut a larger hole in the rear of the turret. GG ifv. +--- 57872707 +>>57872398 +>>57872398 +>he doesn't know about the Centurion Oppression tower +--- 57872726 +>>57872398 +It fights infantry diff --git a/k/57871403.txt b/k/57871403.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8eb358b5e3dce35098164bf08c74d2c453525ded --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57871403.txt @@ -0,0 +1,25 @@ +----- +--- 57871403 +I'm trying to apply for a concealed carry permit in Delaware. +I have the certificate from the course I took, 5 references, the newspaper ad, and the Declaration and Affirmation form. What's next? +--- 57871539 +>>57871403 (OP) +>a few pints of blood +>sperm sample +>actual divine Intervention +Good luck +--- 57871557 +>>57871403 (OP) +You need a tattoo that says blue lives matter and a used condom from the mayor. +--- 57871741 +>>57871403 (OP) +You move, unironically just leave especially if you live in New Castle county. The law is against you. If you have to use your gun and they live you're fucked. If witnesses decide you're wrong you're fucked. I unironically illegally carried because it's basically a guaranteed felony either way. Thankfully I moved and live in a state with constitutional carry. 100% fuck Delaware all my homies hate Delaware +--- 57871920 +>>57871403 (OP) +The next stage is the compulsory penis inspection. +--- 57871934 +>>57871403 (OP) +Did you make sure to save up 50 good boy points from your mother? +--- 57871948 +>>57871403 (OP) +300 permit tokens (0.5 of a token can be earned per blowjob you give to a government official) diff --git a/k/57871461.txt b/k/57871461.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..da0231068d59e4d8a2fd84c2ac7b4bd0857a20ad --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57871461.txt @@ -0,0 +1,38 @@ +----- +--- 57871461 +Could you go back in time and conquer Rome with a snubnose revolver and a can of ammo? +--- 57871467 +>>57871461 (OP) +Yeah +--- 57871469 +>>57871461 (OP) +No. You gotta sleep sometime. And Romans loved stealing shit. +--- 57871471 +>>57871461 (OP) +No that’s retarded +--- 57871472 +>>57871461 (OP) +>BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG +>click +>ACKed by local milites +didn't think this through, did you OP? +--- 57871483 +>>57871461 (OP) +Yes but mostly because I would sneeze in their marketplace and cause an pandemic their weak immune systems could not handle. +--- 57871492 +>>57871461 (OP) +No but you could definitely with a belt fed and a few belts +--- 57871506 +You'd be stabbed in the back very quickly, or die of food poisoning. +--- 57871508 +>>57871461 (OP) +Yeah but you've got to convince people that you're a god or given powers from a God to smite people with fire and lead from a distance. Never let them know you have limited ammo and use it extremely sparingly. +--- 57871524 +>>57871508 +They would know dude. They weren't smart by modern standards but they weren't mudhut people. +--- 57871547 +>>57871461 (OP) +the real trick would be going back in time. once you do that the conquering rome with a snubnose part is trivial +--- 57872880 +>>57871461 (OP) +It would be easier to conquer an African nation today than ancient Rome. You can't do that today with a revolver so no. diff --git a/k/57871615.txt b/k/57871615.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..15fc65fee34ecf4eceb541f65033ae37597b2763 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57871615.txt @@ -0,0 +1,56 @@ +----- +--- 57871615 +Turkey (Im not spelling it the other way, pound sand) sends at least 20 Cobra II s to Ukraine. + +rusbros I thought they were our allies wtf ?? +--- 57871629 +>>57871615 (OP) +>Strawman +Why the fuck would Russia think a NATO member is their ally when they claim to be fighting a war against NATO +Turks were already sending meme drones last year +--- 57871634 +>>57871615 (OP) +>Turkey +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shootdown +Turkey literally wants to be a hegemon in their own backyard which is why I don't get zbroz that think Turkey supports them or something because they want kickbacks of some sort for letting Sweden into NATO due to their eternal tussle with the Kurds. +--- 57871664 +>>57871615 (OP) +>ally +My brother of african descent, turkey is probably russia's second most hated country after the US +--- 57871673 +>>57871634 +I think it is mainly d&c shills and butthurt nafo slavs who see treason everywhere +Just like the seething about Germany and France +--- 57871677 +Based roaches +--- 57871686 +>>57871664 +Thats uk +--- 57871733 +>>57871615 (OP) +The only reason Turks are seen as civilized is because they have dabbed on Russia a few times throughout history. +It's like a rite of passage to be in the "honorary white" club: you have to beat Russia in a conventional war before you get to hang with the big boys, same for Japan and soon Ukraine. +--- 57871785 +>>57871615 (OP) +>Im not spelling it the other way, pound sand +I bet 10 bucks you say Kyiv, hypocrite +--- 57871795 +>>57871733 +Pretty true. +--- 57871988 +>>57871615 (OP) +>our allies +Turkey doesn't have allies, just nations that tolerate it because it offers them some benefit to do so. They push that tolerance to it's limits to benefit themselves, but never too much so that the relationship with those other countries becomes too hostile +--- 57872020 +>>57871988 +Why are they like this? +--- 57872103 +>>57872020 +They still think that they're the fucking ottomans and and have the bargaining power of a world superpower +--- 57872190 +>>57871733 +>It's like a rite of passage to be in the "honorary white" club +Do the Mongols count? +--- 57872662 +>>57872190 +Personally yes, the Mongols are extremely based, given that they raped their genes into most of Europe I think it's only fair to consider them honorary white.(and I am deeply saddened by their systemic oppression at the hands of the perfidious Chinaman) diff --git a/k/57871692.txt b/k/57871692.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9a483e17ac0db92ad3a08479dfe355f48d0dbc06 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57871692.txt @@ -0,0 +1,451 @@ +----- +--- 57871692 +Autism Rifle General: KAC pride worldwide pt.2 edition aka neurotypical eidition. + +previous :>>57865458 → +--- 57871708 +>>57871692 (OP) +>pride +seek God +--- 57871714 +>>57871681 → +Recommend fren +--- 57871727 +Look all I'm saying is the mentally ill dude who cross dresses isn't the best basis for anti-RC2 rhetoric +--- 57871728 +Fellas how do I make my caravan deck better? I tossed out all the queens and 5-7 cars so I could get more A-4 and 9, 10, Js and Ks +--- 57871749 +>>57871727 + +RC2 buyers remorse? Look, your can has been co opted by transfolx and is only good for testiclegf clones now. +--- 57871751 +>>57871728 +Oh also gunz my bad + +>>57871727 +I like HK's handguard +--- 57871763 +>>57871692 (OP) +AR newfag, just finished and test fired my dissipator flat top build. + +She has trouble cycling 55gr shit but stabilizes it perfectly. +Cycles nicely with a lightweight buffer though. +What's the lowdown on buffer makes/manufacturers? + +I'm running a carbine buffer on a rifle length spring and tube as she sits so I can get the action timing right. +--- 57871766 +>>57871692 (OP) +Anon, I like your SR15 and have since you've been posting it here. The aesthetic kinda reminds me of an MP5 SD mixed with a MK18. Only thing I'd personally change is the optic mount. I like the Scalar works 1.93 better than the Unity. I think 1.93 is a good height for a red dot. Both setups work great though. + +I like your setup so much that I actually bought one of those stubby kac grips for my 14.5 BCM. +--- 57871768 +>>57871749 +even a broken clock is right twice a day +--- 57871774 +If I’m a cheapskate should I get a 30 cal can do it all for 556, 762 and 40 S&W? +--- 57871787 +>>57871766 +>I actually bought one of those stubby kac grips +blessed. the scalarworks mount is kinda ugly tho imo. +--- 57871794 +>>57871749 +post can +--- 57871805 +>>57871749 +>RC2 buyers remorse? +no, because it's a good can. I bought it before that faggot shilled it anyway. Doesn't matter regardless, he'll probably kill himself in a few months and the can will just go to the ATF anyway. +>>57871751 +Me too, nice rifle but why X300? +--- 57871843 +>>57871774 +no, get a 556 rc2 and then worry about everything else afterwards. +--- 57871859 +>>57871805 +I haven't gotten around to ordering the fab defense to transfer it to the 92fs or a m600/640u because lazy. It works tho. Will likely do it soon instead of the alpha tarac purchase +--- 57871866 +>>57871787 +I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder, you use whatever you prefer. I currently have a Unity on my shorty anyway but would one day like to swap it out. Picrel, I'm a nocans so that gun has never been run suppressed. That's my next gun related purchase though, I want to get a Huxwrx Flow 556k. Unfortunately it'll probably be a while before I can get a can. I need to prioritize the purchase of precision tools for my apprenticeship(tool and die) and also I gotta get a set of tires for my ride. +--- 57871870 +>>57871774 +No. Getting 3 cheap dedicated cans is better than one multical can. +--- 57871873 +>>57871843 +>rc2 +manly hands with painted nails typed this post. +--- 57871883 +>>57871714 +I'm not interested in aesthetics, I'm interested in the gun working properly and identical to a real one, like having a working bolt catch. But airsoft replicas are mostly about aesthetics, the more expensive the better, but they all have the same shit internals which need to be replaced. + +So I have no clue, me I use the cheapest shit with proper internals, I guess you can just buy the most expansive one you can find. +--- 57871894 +>>57871859 +understandable, cute battle buddy +>>57871873 +dude we get it, you're attracted and obsessed with men dressed like females. Just buy your flow-through and go back to /gif/ +--- 57871897 +>>57871859 +>>57871805 +Also I just looked it up and the x300u-b weighs 1.4 oz less than the m600 body. So there's that I guess. + +How much does the 416D (I am assuming it's 10.5") weigh when loaded with all the fixings on it? I'm curious how much weight the short stroke systems adds, if any. +--- 57871925 +imagine trying to denounce the best available (kac is not available) 556 can on the market because one tranny also has it. lol. lmao. +--- 57871949 +>>57871870 +I think I’ll go direct thread just for the (You)s +--- 57871954 +>>57871925 +RCope2 for the tranny preferred can. +--- 57871955 +>>57871897 +It currently lacks light, can, magnifier, and LAM but unloaded 7.8lbs +--- 57871957 +imagine trying to shill the best tranny 556 can on the market because doorkickers also use it. lol. lmao. +--- 57871962 +Top 3 1:1 Airsoft Replicas for arms training and dry fire drills? +--- 57871965 +>>57871954 +calm down bro. have a bud light +--- 57871981 +>>57871954 +RopeCope2 +--- 57871999 +>>57871883 +You want a vfc gen 3 gbbr. I've got their mk18 and the manual of arms is identical to the real thing. Its even got a steel bolt carrier. +--- 57872000 +>>57871894 +>seething about flow throughs +--- 57872005 +My favorite gun to shoot +--- 57872013 +>brand loyalism for thousand dollar ribbed aluminum tubes +--- 57872014 +>>57872005 +Post your muscle car +--- 57872018 +>>57871999 +Thanks for the advice, but I was actually giving advice to this guy who was wondering if airsoft replicas could fit the bill >>57871412 → + +Yeah they can, but shit gets quickly more expensive than a real AR. +--- 57872025 +>>57871962 +I used to have one of these when I was a kid: +https://www.amazon.com/Evike-Metal-Airsoft-Blowback-Rifle/dp/B07X3W9JYZ?th=1 + +Its a gas blow back and it uses green gas. The mag holds 30 rounds and weighs approximately the same as a loaded STANAG mag, the bolt locks back on empty and the bolt release works just like on a real one. Since it cycles very similarly to a real AR15 there is a bit of recoil to it as well. I'd take this for training over an AEG anyday. There are probably better versions of this available now but I don't know whats available in the airsoft world anymore. Only downside about shooting this inside would be that because its green gas which is essentially propane--it kinda smells like farts. +--- 57872029 +I'm just going to get the saker and wash my hands of it. I can use the extra money I saved for ammo. +--- 57872034 +So after much deliberation I think I'm just going to lean into the TCGF clone bullying and get an RC2. Now the real question is do I go for black or FDE? +--- 57872038 +>>57872029 +I don't care what the fuck you get anymore, just shut the fuck up and buy a suppressor. +--- 57872039 +>>57871955 +So is that a complete rifle unloaded weight or just the upper? I assume complete rifle. How about the handguard? Hell bro if you can give me a quick weight of all the parts I'd kiss you. Either way you're a cool dude for being helpful +--- 57872041 +>>57872029 +Anon I'm curious. I know you buy a lot of shit on credit, how much money do you make an hour? Not trying to be a dick or anything and you can ignore my question if its too personal or something. +--- 57872045 +>>57872005 +>High capacity magazine +No one needs this weapon of war. +--- 57872048 +Legal implications of open carrying an airsoft gun to Walmart? +--- 57872052 +>>57872029 +This isn't me. >>57872034 is me. +--- 57872054 +>>57872041 +$18.59 +--- 57872059 +>>57872034 +>>57872029 +>Whoa I'm seeing doubles here... Four faggots! +--- 57872063 +>>57872029 +The saker 556k is a good choice just go right now and get it already. +--- 57872075 +>>57872014 +I had this but sold it a few years ago +--- 57872078 +>>57872005 +I want an M1 carbine so bad but got in the game too late for cheap surplus rifles. Best cope I have now is to use one of those M1 carbine stock conversions for the 10/22. +--- 57872083 +>>57872041 +I don't buy things in credit. Just the t2. +I make 24/hr. +>>57872034 +No, I think I'm going to get the saker. +--- 57872094 +>>57872083 +>No, I think I'm going to get the saker. +based trannycan rejector. +--- 57872096 +>>57872083 +Buy a BRT gas tube too +--- 57872098 +>>57872048 +Just make sure to spray paint the muzzle black so it looks siiiick + +>>57872045 +Forreal, he should just but Mattel toys like us +--- 57872100 +>>57872083 +the thug saker +--- 57872102 +>>57872083 +Saker fits the bcm aesthetic +--- 57872109 +I expect by next year all of you to be nods owners. +--- 57872125 +>>57872078 +I was really too late, too + This is one of those RTI guns that were brought in from Ethiopia. I like to imagine maybe it killed a commie during their civil war. Got one before they jacked their prices up later +--- 57872127 +>>57872109 +I expect by next year you own a can that isn't form 1 garbage +--- 57872134 +>>57872127 +Yeah Ill get an SB2. +--- 57872143 +>>57872134 +I said not garbage +--- 57872156 +>>57872039 +Full rifle* with Unity, T2, and KAC grip(if that matters). Everything's pretty much 1:1 with standard ARs weight-wise as far as I can tell. I don't have individual weights atm but I can grab them in the next few days. + +And of course, I'm autistic about this shit and having an outlet is great +--- 57872162 +>>57872156 +*Upper and lower on the scale not put together, thank you ATF for understanding :) +--- 57872236 +ass cancer anon im currently shitting my guts out rn and i hope youre still alive ill always think of you every painful shit i take +--- 57872255 +>>57872236 +I shit a ton too if I don't take bulk fiber. Hoping it's cancer +--- 57872260 +>>57872134 +B I G F L E X +I +G +F +L +E +X +--- 57872342 +>>57872083 +Get a rotex or the rbs if you dont want gas in the face dmt be a snowflake +--- 57872474 +>>57872342 +I already told him that and he didn't seem to care. +--- 57872484 +>>57872109 +I expect by next year you'll be confined to a mobility scooter. +--- 57872515 +>>57871692 (OP) +Daily reminder that senator Joseph Raymond McCarthy was right about everything and did nothing wrong. +--- 57872534 +>>57872515 +His only mistake was claiming it was just a bunch of "communists" infiltrating the US government instead of accurately deducing that it was a bunch of fucking kikes. +--- 57872537 +>>57872515 +ok but BadDragon is out of stock on all their fleshlights,is there another gtg /arg/ approved fleshlight seller that does based anthro fur? +--- 57872552 +>>57872045 +Even has the scary bayonet lug +--- 57872560 +>>57872537 +Anything else is cope +--- 57872564 +>>57872560 +guess im going to the used market +--- 57872594 +>>57872078 +My friend has one for this exact reason. It's pretty cool, but the little magazine cover is peak cope. +--- 57872596 +>frankenstein rifle almost complete +I just need a gussy trigger and sneed feed MD and it’s basically done except for optics. +--- 57872609 +>>57872596 +>gussy trigger +Larue +--- 57872623 +>>57872534 +Commies are kikes, normies just couldnt equate. +--- 57872626 +6’8“ noguns here. +Would a 10“ 300BLK SBR even make sense for someone my height? +I feel like I need a 16“ rifle for comfortable hand placement (?) +--- 57872648 +>>57872626 +Try shoulder a few different sized AR's at your gun store and make a decision from that before you drop money. That's what I would do +--- 57872677 +>>57872134 +wow is that 3 more tubes than desert furry has? +--- 57872689 +>>57872005 +boring in semi, fun in giggle +--- 57872697 +>>57872626 +14.5 will feel like a 10" to you +Even 12" feels kind of tiny for me +--- 57872712 +>>57872626 +im also pretty tall (5'8) and a 16" is almost too small for me you should try a 20" +--- 57872719 +Digits and ass cancer anon gets healed by a benevolent orb of light +--- 57872724 +>>57872609 +I meant geissele‘s FA trigger, but I’ll look into it. +>>57872626 +I’m close to your height and my frankenstein is a 10.3” mk18 with a RIS II. You’ll learn to tuck your elbows in deep eventually since pretty much every rail and rifle isn’t exactly long enough for your wingspan since they’re all made for manlets when the day is done except custom shit. My most comfortable rifle is a LMT AR-10 that’s fucking LM8 because I can attach sections of quad rail exactly where I need them so my hand placement lines up just right and nothing gets in the way of my fingers and thumb. +--- 57872731 +>>57872719 +Hes a gonner. +--- 57872745 +>>57872724 +>quad rail +Picatinny. I’m drunk. +--- 57872752 +Here's my bastard rifle. Why is finding 40 so difficult +--- 57872754 +>>57872719 +>>57872731 +ill give him a roll +--- 57872770 +>>57872083 +>I make 24/hr. +What do you do for work? Not bad +--- 57872792 +Pipe licker? +--- 57872795 +>>57872770 +Well, technically I make 16/hr at my current chef job, and I am factoring in an extra $8/hr from my side gig of selling fake thc carts to highschoolers +--- 57872814 +>>57872626 +LOP is measured from the bottom of the forearm (crease or elbow) to I THINK the middle of the trigger finger. I think support arm extension is only secondary after LOP is established, tends to be a non issue. +--- 57872829 +>>57871763 +>I'm running a carbine buffer on a rifle length spring and tube as she sits so I can get the action timing right. +This makes your gas key the hard rear stop. Don't do this. Strip the weights out of your rifle buffer to drop weight since its length is important too. +--- 57872838 +>>57872719 +Reroll +--- 57872841 +>>57872795 +How nice +--- 57872849 +Talichads with the DDs +--- 57872859 +>>57872838 +You’re making it worse, anon. +--- 57872919 +>>57872134 +>empty housing +--- 57872928 +>>57872919 +yeah +--- 57872949 +>>57872928 +stop being fat +--- 57872969 +>>57872928 +No amount of gear will make you not a fat fuck and anon still doesn't like you lmao. +--- 57872988 +>>57872795 +Stop this +--- 57873022 +>>57872795 +pottery. +--- 57873023 +>>57872988 +Buddy. Why aren't you getting your can today? +--- 57873024 +>>57872792 +how do you like the UTG quad? +--- 57873036 +>>57872792 +nigbull +--- 57873050 +Happy 416 day fellow 416 enjoyers. +--- 57873054 +>>57872849 +I want one +--- 57873075 +>>57873023 +Working. +I will be purchasing Wednesday or Thursday. +--- 57873088 +>>57873050 +>no raid +--- 57873095 +>>57873050 +>Obsolete 30 year old piston prototype +--- 57873118 +>>57873050 +416 are superior, and I'm tired of pretending they're not +--- 57873129 +>>57873088 +SB2s are trash manlet +--- 57873134 +>>57873118 +>416 are superior +Di is better +--- 57873146 +>>57873129 +Why do you have a crush on this anon? +--- 57873149 +>>57873036 +dude arent you 300lbs? +--- 57873171 +>>57873149 +450 and your nigbull needs to be put down before he kills someone. +--- 57873185 +>>57873171 +>>57873149 +he looks like a cuck that eats the cum out of his gf's pussy after a nigger has dropped a load in it. +--- 57873210 +>>57873129 +NTA but RC2s are the tranny can of choice and the SB2 is the god-fearing cishet white man's suppressor of choice. +--- 57873230 +>>57873210 +You mean saker +--- 57873238 +>>57873210 +so if trannies started using 416's, kac, lmt, ddmk18/m4's you'd stop using them? +--- 57873252 +>>57873210 +post can +--- 57873268 +>>57873171 +You responded to the wrong anon about the pitbull, you stupid fatty. I enjoy triggering your jigglies +--- 57873278 +>>57873268 +dont care all nigbulls need to be put down. +--- 57873283 +>>57873024 +Just do yourself a favor and ignore chinesium garbage +--- 57873285 +>>57873268 +oh i get it now you got the FA lower so that when your pitbull goes crazy and starts mauling a child you dont have to rely on single trigger pulls to land a shot +nice idea +--- 57873290 +>>57871692 (OP) +The more vaccines you took as a kid, the more useless shit you put on your gun. +--- 57873299 +>>57873210 +Yeah, I just use an nt4 because I think the heat shield looks cool. Minmaxing silencer performance is kind of a feminine trait desu. Just pick one that looks cool and move on with life lol. +--- 57873303 +>tfw you have the same can (RopeCope2) as picrel +--- 57873311 +>>57873278 +Weren't you in the army/guard? +--- 57873316 +>>57873299 +>not making your own to prove your mechanical prowess +--- 57873318 +>>57873311 +--- 57873322 +>>57873303 +Think she gives good head diff --git a/k/57871748.txt b/k/57871748.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b7c77520f4d58d6c23c2e3d4fb7cc9dd745f9d4c --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57871748.txt @@ -0,0 +1,218 @@ +----- +--- 57871748 +New Binkov vid just dropped. + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUqyjqYvbpw [Embed] + +Lets discuss. +Pentagon leaks are telling us that Ukraine is running very low on old soviet AA and the west cant replace them. + +Is the muppet right that after the ukes run out Russia will pound them into the ground? +--- 57871760 +Kek, watch the tourists seethe. +--- 57871765 +>>57871748 (OP) +Fuck this vatnig shill +--- 57871769 +>>57871748 (OP) +It'd be a problem if Russia could still be a threat in the air and didn't ALSO waste all their shit in meaningless bombardments of civilian infrastructure. + +Now bombings only happen once in a blue moon. +--- 57871777 +>>57871748 (OP) +Hey its the same vatnigger that said Javelin was shitty only to try to come up with excuses the moment turrets started flying left and right. +--- 57871778 +>>57871748 (OP) +No he isn't. He's right that things will dire out, but his mind is still pozzed by his vatnik background that made him think that Russia was gonna conquer Ukraine and that once Ukraine fucks up, Russia will rolfstomp +--- 57871793 +>>57871777 +Checked +--- 57871826 +>>57871778 +Meh,his vide on a pontential war was not as retarded as the western intelligence take of "3 days before keef falls",but he did overestimate the Russians because he took the paper numbers at face value. + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9c_HhpvBpg [Embed] +--- 57871884 +>>57871777 +Wasn't that RedEffect? +--- 57871909 +>>57871748 (OP) +>I don't think they've kept Russia at bay, so much as Russia hasn't felt pressured to incur losses. They've been increasingly doing high altitude precision bombing, in several AOs, over the past month, to pretty devastating effect. +Comment section always a fucking goldmine +--- 57871914 +>>57871748 (OP) +The leak specifically said that USA can replace them through buyouts short term, and long term their point was integration of more western AA. Total air superiority then would still not be guaranteed given that the country is littered with manpads and Russia never solved its problem with lack of PGMs. +--- 57871923 +>>57871884 +Idk, these serbs all blend together after a while. +--- 57871929 +>>57871884 +seeing how this is the first result I get when searching for "redeffect javelin", I'm pretty sure it's not him. +the serb's been unironically alright this war, unless some black lazar serb greatest superweapon gets sent as military aids he'll remain pretty factual (even if his voice has the charisma of a brick) +--- 57871932 +>>57871748 (OP) +>the west cant replace them. +Ukrainians are already training on MIM-104s +--- 57871933 +I just checked readdit and /pol/ (same thing) and this has been the narrative they've been running with the last couple days every time Ukraine is mentioned. +Is this nigger why lmao. +--- 57871936 +>>57871914 +This anon actually read the leaked document. The whole thing is a nothingburger. +--- 57871940 +>>57871929 +forgot pic AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA +--- 57871945 +>>57871748 (OP) +The West is replacing Soviet systems in Ukraine by western systems. They don't need to find more s300 missiles or some shit. +--- 57871968 +>>57871945 +They are already digging into Societ foreign stockpiles in the short term. +They made a lot of them and sold a lot of them. +So it's a nothing burger effectively. +--- 57871973 +>>57871933 +>I just checked readdit and /pol/ +Lmao, go back and stay there faggot, these are the newfaggots that shit our board.... +--- 57871982 +>>57871973 +Nigger these people raid the board all day +long, if you think it's not worth figuring out who is raiding you with what you're gonna get shilled. +Kill yourself. +--- 57871987 +>>57871748 (OP) +I'm betting that once Russian airforce starts flying deeper into Ukraine at high altitudes, they will be shot down by some "mysterious" new "Ukrainian" AA. Picture definitely not related. +--- 57872010 +>>57871884 +My bad, yes. Binkov is the other vatnig that did the retarded fighter jet scenarios or Singapore vs Malaysia scenarios where they're framed in a way to make the thirdie turd have a bigger advantage than it should irl. They really do blend together after a while because their underhanded attempts to maximize Russian cum drinkability is hard to tell apart as >>57871923 says. +--- 57872017 +>>57871826 +He literally thought the T-90M was an original tank instead of a T-72B4(M) +--- 57872027 +>literal russian sockpuppet + +So on the nose it should be insulting, but people keep guzzling literal russian propaganda. + +>muh leaks + +le grain of truth +--- 57872030 +>>57871982 +>if you don't brainrot yourself by constantly browsing reddit and /pol/ you won't recognize shills +Once every other month I'll check in and see if /pol/ is still a waking schizophrenic nightmare (it is). I refuse to go to reddit because the site layout is an unintelligible mess and I can't be bothered to navigate that shit. +--- 57872044 +>>57871748 (OP) +>Is the muppet right that after the ukes run out Russia will pound them into the ground? +No, but my Raytheon, Lockheeb, Diehl shares will go through the roof. +--- 57872051 +>>57872017 +The T-90M does have a new turret over the T-72B3. +--- 57872070 +>>57872051 +The T-90M doesn't really have a new turret over the T-90A. +--- 57872090 +>>57872051 +The T-80U also has a new armor array from T-80B, but is it a new tank? +--- 57872123 +>>57872030 +You don't have to actively engage, just figure out what the current narratives are every time there's a /k/ thread spam session every 4-5 days or when the board feels different. If you check the right subreddits, telegrams and /pol/ generals you effectively can see who on this board is mirroring those narratives in barely 5 minutes. Bearing in mind similar narratives happen due to media alignment, but it's still a good indicator when the shilling not in line with media. + +These people are also posting on /k/, so the brainrots already here, by recognising it you can filter it. You don't really have to anyway, because I will do it for you like in this thread. +--- 57872133 +>>57871987 +delusional +--- 57872135 +Oh, the T-90M... +--- 57872149 +>>57872070 +You're not wrong. +--- 57872154 +>>57872027 +are redditors still seething over the leak confirming parts of the russian propaganda? +--- 57872155 +>>57871777 +Checkem + +Binkov is a retard who only looks at numbers and mashes them against each other. His analysis of quality, training and readiness is laughable. +--- 57872164 +>>57872135 +>the autoloader is bad because.. the design is old! +retarded, im not going to bother with the rest +--- 57872167 +>>57871748 (OP) +Did he comment on other aspects of the supposed leak, or did her focus only on this one? +--- 57872179 +>>57871914 +I mean its true that with the shit russians launch at their chimpouts can overwhelm any AA network known to man but is it accurate maybie. +--- 57872194 +>>57872167 +Like everyone else, he seemingly just cherry picked the numbers that made his narrative look best while completely ignoring the parts that contradict it. +--- 57872204 +>>57871914 +Manpads can't reach high-altitude bombers. +>but muh precision +Russia will carpet-bomb cities if they thought they could get away with it. They've been relying on unguided bombs from the start. +--- 57872222 +>>57872154 +leftypol are now pretending the leak confirms parts of Russian propaganda +--- 57872245 +>>57872204 +Lobbing unguided bombs isn't any better than just using their artillery. The cities are virtually carped bombed anyway. +--- 57872253 +>>57871748 (OP) +>casually forgets that most russian planes are barely holding together with tape +>casually forgets that most russian pilots do less than 100h of flight each year and barely any real training +>casually forgets that their command structure is literally full of clinically retarded "people". +--- 57872396 +>>57872253 +Fortunately for Ukraine, US doesn't agree that this cope is enough to balance the numbers advantage. +--- 57872433 +>>57872179 +lel. barely equipped ukies can shoot down more than half of those(even if we do not trust in ukies 70-90% shot down), how many russias would the world need to overwhelm something like iron dome? +--- 57872500 +>>57872051 +>new turret +that's cause after the fall of the SU they lost the ability to cast turrets +--- 57872565 +>>57871884 +I'm happy that RedEffect managed to eat a huge helping of humble pie and slam the breaks on his Armatarding. It's funny to watch his old videos for how much wrong he assumed. He's still a huge fan of soviet vehicles with a bunch of autistic knowledge about tanks but now actually has some skepticism about his sources instead of breathlessly taking Kremlin lies as reliable because 'muh export market, they have to be telling the truth'. +--- 57872583 +>>57872204 +Please, please, please let Russia send Bears over Kiev. I want strategic bomber losses and I want them yesterday. +--- 57872608 +>>57872179 +>the shit russians launch at their chimpouts can overwhelm any AA network known to man +And yet is somehow unable to SEAD the AFU, interdict NATO supply runs, and the Kyiv terror bombings are less of an event than the London Blitz +--- 57872683 +>>57872155 +he said that Hungary could beat Austria because +>they have more warpact surplus in storage and could just human wave them br0 +--- 57872738 +>>57871748 (OP) +>Pentagon leaks are telling us that Ukraine is running very low on old soviet AA and the west cant replace them. +We knew about this for months, where were you? +The only new thing the leaks bring to the table is having a concrete date for when they're supposed to run out +--- 57872768 +>>57872154 +>leak confirming parts of the russian propaganda +Which ones? +genuine question, I've been away from the internet for two weeks, so I'm still catching up +--- 57872983 +>>57871748 (OP) +Video is pointless. "Ukraine is running low if NATO doesn't resupply" ... which they are and will. +--- 57872991 +>>57872164 +With your level of reading comprehension i'm surprised you got that far. +--- 57873041 +>>57872222 +CHECKED +--- 57873182 +>>57872768 +21yo Air Force IT dude posted a hundred pages of US intel assessments on private Discord server of fanboys, which eventually leaked onto the Internet. He's been arrested and charged for a hundred counts of espionage + +this is one of them + +everybody is treating them as if they're real. in general, /k/ has significant doubts. +--- 57873305 +>>57873182 +Everyone is treating them as if they're real because there is zero indication to think otherwise other than the edited casualty count page which was disproven day 1. Especially when they involve embarrassing details of other nations (Egypt, Israel, SK, etc) they didn't want leaking out to the public. Especially when it involves minors. diff --git a/k/57871837.txt b/k/57871837.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..2fa3a8b2e131e0ffe49527c527cae6dd0dd870d7 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57871837.txt @@ -0,0 +1,61 @@ +----- +--- 57871837 +Rare Owl Edition + +Post wood (furniture) +Frens +Battle Rifles +Living Easy, Living Happy + +Thread Theme: +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXOlzKEThqY [Embed] + +As always; No Trips, No Traps, No Airsoft ~ +Previous Thread: >>57825770 → +--- 57871865 +fn fal more like fn fail lmao +--- 57871885 +>>57871865 +Fpwp +--- 57871950 +>>57871837 (OP) +Why are there no wood lpvos. This is an outrage. +--- 57872057 +>>57871865 +7 year service life hands typed this post +--- 57872065 +>>57871837 (OP) +Thank you op. +--- 57872141 +>>57872065 +Always :) +--- 57872326 +>>57871837 (OP) +glory to god, pray for your weaker brother. collect blacktip and make friends! +--- 57872734 +>>57861694 → +America. +NASA switched over after the imperial system cost them a mission. Too many conversions and none of them linear. +--- 57872893 +>>57870303 → +A couple hours ago it was at 17k, but now it's at 25k. got damn +--- 57873141 +My new to me but used ar10 was sometimes going binary at the range today. I think I might get rid of it, but want to pick up another battle rifle. Any recs in the $2000 or so range? +--- 57873186 +>>57871837 (OP) +Never liked ARs but am genuinely excited for my 716i. I just wish I lived somewhere wide open to enjoy it’s full potential. +--- 57873256 +>>57873141 +Sig tread is good. Also leaves you 500 dollars for an optic with that budget. +--- 57873272 +>>57873256 +Already have the optic, will look at the sig. Thanks! +--- 57873294 +>>57873186 +All things come in time, anon. And a bit of hard work and desire to see it done. +--- 57873304 +>>57873141 +>another ar10 if you want something remotely practical +>ptr 91 for the poor man's cold war memes +>fal if you hate having cheap easy to find mags +>m14 if you've got a massive star spangled meat hammer diff --git a/k/57871985.txt b/k/57871985.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..7c7f84923903d5252c6fa60300ef0d8502829cf2 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57871985.txt @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +----- +--- 57871985 +How useful picrel would be in modern military. Say we have a prototype with an embedded neural network that recognizes and highlights enemy combatants and predicts to some degree their movement. Slap it on a drone cam or binocular or literally anything that can produce a video feed. Any advantages over your bog standard thermal? +--- 57872043 +>>57871985 (OP) +Automated target recognition and ballistic computers? +It's old tech. +--- 57872062 +>>57872043 +Maybe on vehicles, but for ordinary infantry? +--- 57872101 +>>57871985 (OP) +>predicts to some degree their movement +Literally impossible. +The second it loses visual track it's over. People don't work like videogame NPCs with pre-defined routes. +Even if somehow you had access to enemy patrol routes (which you would first have to obtain) and were showed a predicted path of the enemy over them, people vary in walking speed constantly. Sometimes they stop. Sometimes they wait. Sometimes they go off course. What you're asking for is mind reading tech. +Otherwise it's literally just smart binoculars with ability to mark positions. They exist (and even various AR systems where you just have the markers overlaid on your ballistic googles) but aren't really commonly used because of the pricetag. +--- 57872138 +>>57871985 (OP) +What you depict there is not very useful. Maybe possibly if everyone had unforgeable IFF nano implants, then in certain cases it might help prevent blue on blue/green. But in that context a lot of it is just because the player isn't a professional and doesn't know "his own side" and uniforms and people etc, it's a gameplay thing to show who is hostile and who isn't in a gamified way vs IRL where people do it by old fashioned uniforms and IDs and recognizing faces etc and you'd memorize it as part of the mission briefing. + +NV/FLIR/other sensor fusion tech is potentially very useful, particularly networked. That's fairly cutting edge. If you've got a few dozen guys with different vantage points, if one guy seeing something means it shows up for everyone that's big, same with high speed target allocation. Smartscopes that can link or have built in ranging is already a thing, as is calculating firing solutions. That's useful, but not what that depicts (because of the reverse game aspect, since the point is fun/skill vs win/survive having everything be aimbot would be boring). +--- 57872173 +>>57872101 +Pricetag but also reliability and implementation. It's clearly the future, US Army is working hard at it and for good reason, but going from lab to battlefield is going to be hard work. They're going to have to figure out whole new UI paradigms too, like how to convey "staleness". If you have have real time ID on a target then of course that's that, but what if an observer tags a target and then loses sight? Do you start having an expanding circle indicating likely area they were? For how long? Does whether they were moving vs hunkered down matter? After a time switch to just having them be an unknown that is somewhere the combat area contributing to overall forces, but no more position just a tally? There are a lot of ways to convey this information, and also what and when to convey. So it's probably going to take a fair amount of real world iteration under actual combat conditions. + +I mean, even beyond all the raw tech. +--- 57872178 +>>57872138 +>if one guy seeing something means it shows up for everyone +what is the most ergonomical way to achieve that? AR goggles? Some kind of a tablet? +--- 57872215 +>>57872173 +>If you have have real time ID on a target then of course that's that, but what if an observer tags a target and then loses sight? +One way I can think of is detect a feature which hides tagged target, then highlight it, although if we have a dozen or so targets, then visual will be a shitfest of highlighted stuff. Really I'm just tinkering with neural networks rn and trying to figure out if they can be applied to warfare, and magic binocular from mgs was the first thing I thought of. +--- 57872262 +>>57872173 +Also if we have networked devices like >>57872138 mentioned, if one device lost visual, then it can get visual from other device and do a projection on blind one +--- 57872308 +bump +--- 57872315 +>>57872178 +>what is the most ergonomical way to achieve that? AR goggles? Some kind of a tablet? +Virtual retinal display, like the RETISSA II. Glasses/goggles that project the image directly onto your retina, so it's a perfect image regardless of geometry of your eye itself, works in all light etc. It's the ultimate possible external display technology (obviously we can imagine implant stuff like cybereyes or something but that's too far future). The tech though is still very early stage. To be useful though definitely needs to be AR, not something that you need to look away for. Though in turn military will have to resist its love of cramming in too much shit. +>>57872215 +Sure, I guess the issue is there isn't any one clear right way to do it. They'll need user feedback, what's useful, what's noise and actually distracts and makes stuff worse. Ideally they'd do some very very serious red/blue war gaming as part of this with thousands of participants. + +If you want some ideas you could look at stuff like the Talon Precision smartguns, or some of the various Linux scope projects people have been experimenting with. +--- 57872365 +>>57872262 +Networked doesn't change things, it only decreases the odds of "real time eyes lost" by giving more eyes. I'm actually assuming networking here for the most value, scout units and drones and such doing the tagging for infantry, separate observer and combatant roles so that the observers can be as stealthy as possible. But it's still inevitable, particularly in forested or urban environments and such, that contact will be lost. So still have to figure out how to deal with that, whether you immediately remove it from everyone once lost, or have some sort of other stale info indicator. Reasonably arguments can be made both ways, particularly depending on the situation. If you see someone briefly who's sprinting away as part of a rout, odds are they won't be anywhere close by shortly thereafter. Conversely if you spot someone sleeping in a trench or manning a fixed emplacement and then have to duck to avoid patrols, decent chance that even minutes later they're still in the same position. +--- 57872397 +>>57871985 (OP) +IVAS is coming. Just being able to share location information with friendlies (it's planned to have entire companies networked together and sharing PLI) and overlay that is a big enough benefit. +--- 57872438 +>>57872315 +>RETISSA II +would be a bit on the pricey side I guess so restricted to spec ops and similar. Seems like the right question is ergonomical and relatively cheap, so it can be mass produced, that's why I'm thinking of binocular based device or regular AR goggles, though these are probably also expensive +>>57872365 +I have no idea on how thermal works so just a guess - add an additional cheap ass thermal that is connected to device, which in case of visual lost will turn it on, grab really basic data on it and project in on main cam. +--- 57872458 +>>57872397 +that's expensive toys for rich kids, I'm thinking of cheaper option which will have only the basics covered +--- 57872730 +>>57872178 +US Army is rolling this concept out right now. It's goggles. + +The cooler thing IMO is they have a full rifle fire control system that lets you hold down the trigger and guide it on target but which only fires on a calculated hit. This has been deployed in small numbers in Syria already. Makes ammo consumption and recoil way less of an issue. Also let's you hit distant targets moving in and out of cover much more easily. +--- 57872772 +>>57872438 +>would be a bit on the pricey side +That's only because it's not yet refined and mass produced, not because it's made of osmium or something anon. Price will come down. But more to the point you've got a warped vision of how the US Army at least runs now. Soldiers are EXPENSIVE, and getting more so, and also more valuable because of recruiting challenges. I think current average investment now is like in the million dollar range each. Also why the US target bullets-per-enemy count has been creeping up steadily since WW1, I think now 60000 bullets per dead enemy is considered a decent ratio or something like that. Because bullets are cheap and replaceable, Army would rather lean on its logistics than risk losing a soldier just to save a bit. The new service rifles they're looking at are pricey as well. Basically, if dropping another $5-10k per soldier on AR actually made a major difference? They'd do it without a seconds hesitation. Fraction of just salary for a single year. It's a professional situation, WW1/2/Korea/Vietnam were a long, long time ago now. + +Anyway now though I'm confused on what you're after here. I thought you were talking about future trends over the next decade for the actual army. If you mean something you can do as a hobbyist in the near future then not sure. Probably some VR goggles that you hack into MR maybe. +--- 57872825 +>>57871985 (OP) +Maybe not exactly the same but if it was info being fed from security cameras or drones, for instance, to mark targets that were monitorable but not within the user's line of sight, they could be very useful. If they lose tracking, it could just show their last known position and how long ago, etc. +--- 57872837 +>>57872101 +>Literally impossible. +The second it loses visual track it's over. People don't work like videogame NPCs with pre-defined routes. + +You underestimate ML and overestimate the randomness of people's actions. I bet if you had tens of thousands of hours of videos of infantry running, it would be pretty effective, although that data will be hard to get + + +Also, it doesn't necessarily need to predict their path for 45 seconds if you lose visual contact, but help like up a leading shot on a moving target. +--- 57872848 +>>57872772 +>Anyway now though I'm confused on what you're after here +I'm talking about something that I can reliably put in production and sell to guys that do not have R&D capabilities of US and aren't china, iran, russia and similar hellholes. To do that, I need to minimize cost and not just create a glorified VR set, so I need to focus on most useful approaches that can actually help a grunt in a field. Feedback can be collected at my place cause I'm an ukie and have some contacts in military\special services. +--- 57872881 +>>57872101 +It's more possible than you think, integrate data from multiple sensors like drones with thermal cameras flying overhead and use AI to analyze and predict likely enemy movement, the AI will know where the enemy is because it knows where it isn't. +--- 57872903 +>>57872848 +>I'm talking about something that I can reliably put in production and sell to guys that do not have R&D capabilities of US and aren't china, iran, russia and similar hellholes +lmao you're on /k/ asking us for r&d on a radically ambitious product idea for military usage? Wow ok. Here's my advice then: throw away everything you're thinking about here and see if you can figure out how to take existing smart scopes and do something that'll be better. That's it. Go take a look at ATN, and some of the Linux based open source stuff. Keeping in mind a lot of this stuff is covered in technology export/import controls and restrictions. Even something like networked tagging binoculars would be a serious lift. I wish you luck but this is a weird place to start. +--- 57872953 +>>57872903 +>lmao you're on /k/ asking us for r&d on a radically ambitious product idea for military usage? +where do you think I would go, /pol/? And I don't need an actual r&d, just autism on the topic to get inspired, which I definitely got here diff --git a/k/57872006.txt b/k/57872006.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5d76109ce3308c34dc750da73e553582cc858087 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57872006.txt @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +----- +--- 57872006 +>signals you + +Alright /k/, what weapon did you bring to assassinate De Gaulle? + +>doubles will kill him +--- 57872019 +>>57872006 (OP) +Bad dragon dildo +--- 57872035 +This post is gayer than two redditors sucking themselves off over a twitter comment. +--- 57872047 +>>57872006 (OP) +>"No French soldier is going to raise his rifle against me" +--- 57872067 +>>57872035 +note how anon says "this post" and not "this thread" +--- 57872080 +>>57872006 (OP) +A wet fish +--- 57872093 +>>57872006 (OP) +stale baguette +--- 57872121 +>>57872067 +dont shame me +--- 57872189 +>>57872035 +Based crippled veteran +--- 57872197 +>>57872006 (OP) +A spoon with a sharpened edge. +--- 57872205 +Nord SS.10 +--- 57872210 +crashing his plane +--- 57872224 +>>57872006 (OP) +150mm infantry gun +--- 57872229 +My Penis +--- 57872247 +>>57872006 (OP) +A smaller De Gaulle. The only thing that can beat a bad De Gaulle is a good De Gaulle. +--- 57872254 +>>57872006 (OP) +>what weapon did you bring to assassinate De Gaulle? +--- 57872273 +>>57872006 (OP) +A deagle for De Gaulle +--- 57872274 +A palm tree tied back and bent, then when he walks past I cut the rope and it whips him. +--- 57872287 +ol' reliable +--- 57872307 +>>57872254 +Jesus Christ, he said assassinate, not salt the earth. +--- 57872346 +moist nugget +--- 57872357 +A trained pack of futs wendigos +--- 57872373 +My big cums. +--- 57872383 +a lego gun +--- 57872387 +my trusty Direct Hit +--- 57872392 +Flying guillotine +--- 57872411 +>>57872006 (OP) +the sponge +--- 57872416 +With a gun, of course +--- 57872426 +>>57872411 +Oh shit its spongebath time +--- 57872440 +>>57872426 +Let's make this bloodbath into a sponge bath +--- 57872475 +>>57872411 +l' éponge! +--- 57872506 +>>57872411 +>Alright you French politicians, Imma teach ya how to do the sponge diff --git a/k/57872175.txt b/k/57872175.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..90caff623db2770d519b5413f7c9ae151d1853eb --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57872175.txt @@ -0,0 +1,125 @@ +----- +--- 57872175 +Who will become the top foreign IFV in UKR? +For me, it is the Rosomak. +High mobility, lower maintenance because of wheels, 30mm cannon. Main reason for me is that it is in production and Polaks could deliver new vehicles. +--- 57872192 +>>57872175 (OP) +CV90 +--- 57872226 +>>57872175 (OP) +I believe it will be the Rosomak too for the simole reason that Poland is the closest country to Ukraine in geography, politics, mentality, military and hate for russians. +--- 57872235 +>>57872226 +Yeah and this country has really driven them towards eachother. +--- 57872248 +>>57872235 +*this conflict +--- 57872265 +>>57872175 (OP) +Bradley. +Also nice daily Polish shill thread. +--- 57872281 +>>57872226 +Its designed to kill russians so I think it will! +--- 57872343 +>>57872175 (OP) +It's an APC , faggot +--- 57872345 +>>57872175 (OP) +>Brand new IFV +>Polish Armor +>Korean Electronics +>make it amphibious with paper thin armor +Poles try to justify it to say they're "focusing on APS systems", but let's be real here.. +--- 57872354 +>>57872175 (OP) +Isn't Rosomak just a cheap copy of Finnish 1990s IFV which in turn was a not-so-cheap copy of Soviet BTR-80 or BTR-70 though? We've seen BTR-80 already, and they were shit, both Russian and Ukrainian. +--- 57872407 +>>57872354 +No +--- 57872410 +>>57872175 (OP) +Sure, why not? Patria is a good base and the itaian turret is relatively modern. Does the 40mm variant come with C-UAS capability? + +>57872345 +The bot is at it again. Literally the same post in every thread about polish IFVs. +--- 57872418 +>>57872410 +The bot isn't wrong though. +--- 57872434 +>>57872354 +"Rosomak" is just a name for licence built Patria AMV, as far as I know it does not contain any modificiations at all. It is a good machine, some of those were in Afghanistan and encountered IED's, I think we had one casualty and sometimes those vehicles limped home missing an axle.. +--- 57872443 +>>57872354 +Its a licensed Patria with an italian turret. Lacks the Spike-LR, though. +--- 57872462 +>>57872434 +The one guy wasn't even killed by the blast, he was sticking out the top and the blast flipped the vehicle so he got crushed. +--- 57872478 +Bradley or CV90. Bradley got the TOW and I suspect Ukrainians will really appreciate that considering how Russia just loves throwing tanks at every problem. +--- 57872502 +>>57872354 +BTR's and their shortcomings specially during water crossings were the reason why Finns developed their own armoured troop vehicles. See the props behind? I think Ukrainians are going to love them because they can do water crossings pretty much anywhere +--- 57872577 +>>57872265 +At least it's not about *you know what gun*. FB employee and kraut seem to be asleep. Thank god. +--- 57872746 +>>57872175 (OP) +Oh look, it's the daily Cat@Net shill thread for polish crap +What's it like having such shit weapons that you need an army of online posters only to make them look a bit less than decent? +--- 57872776 +>>57872343 +Nah, those armed with the turret-cannons can technically be classified as IFVs. +>>57872345 +>>Korean Electronics +Stop spreading this stupid meme you dumb fuck. WB Electronics is not Korean. +>>57872354 +>Isn't Rosomak just a cheap copy of Finnish 1990s IFV +Yes, the Patria AMV on license, but it's not "cheap", and it has like 200 modifications and upgrades done by Polish engineers during its service time with the Polish army, besides it's successfully battle tested since Afghanistan. +https://youtu.be/pOc5jDzdCg4?t=181 [Embed] +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LQmjtLZL8M [Embed] +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J25qGZZ0CDA [Embed] +--- 57872821 +>>57872226 +>Any bad blood between Poland and Ukraine is gone now in their mutual hatred for Russia. +--- 57872911 +>>57872434 +>as far as I know it does not contain any modificiations at all. +Jeez, like where do you bots even come from? The KTO Rosomak literally has like 200 modifications and upgrades, literally even the construction/shape of it was slightly changed (behind is bit cut off compared to the AMV etc.). +--- 57872921 +>>57872746 +Just recently polish armament hit the mainstream because of the war and proximity to Ukraine. Before that only autists knew about them. The talk about them probably won't go away. So let's just use that to compare tech. +--- 57873019 +>>57872911 +>200 modifications + +You know that is not a lot, judging from the pictures looks like most of them are just localisations for the Polish armed forces. Anyway the base is as Finnish as it can be, advertising it as totally "Polish" machine sounds stupid, it is just AMV variant made in Poland, something Polaks could have never made themselves. So sorry I am taking your national pride away. +--- 57873044 +>>57873019 +--- 57873065 +>>57872265 +It's just warriortard being his usual self and creating a thread to argue with himself. +You can tell it's him because the thread as usual has the exact same worded posts, every single thread. +He even gets mad about it being waterproof for some reason despite it being cheap as fuck to do lmao. +--- 57873143 +>>57873019 +Vittu mä häpeen sua. +--- 57873172 +>>57872192 +The one they got with 40mm and no ATGMs is pretty meh. +--- 57873209 +>>57873019 +>base is as Finnish as it can be, advertising it as totally "Polish" machine sounds stupid, +Of course, no one is saying that, but it's not completely the same platform as the Patria AMV, it's quite different with 200 modifications (design overhauls, composite armour etc.) and homegrown Polish subsystems like: BMS, comms, laser warning system, fire extinguishing system etc. Soon it'll have newly developed Polish ZSSW-30 unmanned turrets: +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJg0k8p5ZzA [Embed] +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRedOnY24pk [Embed] +--- 57873216 +>>57873065 +Not sure about Warriortard but every fucking time a Polish tread pops up about some retarded thing like made-up prototype projects, there's always a dozen posts that take them 100% seriously and discuss stuff as if it was actually interesting or relevant that just scream fake. +--- 57873273 +>>57872175 (OP) +Does toyota classify as APC ? kek +Also the list of Ukraine weapons and vehicles is wild. + +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Armed_Forces_of_Ukraine diff --git a/k/57872264.txt b/k/57872264.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..be3034802c893711cec0473f529035f61e24584f --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57872264.txt @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +----- +--- 57872264 +There was a point in time where we could have had both the B-70 Valkyrie and the F-108 Rapier +--- 57872299 +>>57872264 (OP) +There was a time where we could have had the YB-60 +--- 57872401 +I wish the F-108 had been built. +Solely so I can use it’s existence to dab on the Arrowvirgins +--- 57872447 +>>57872401 +I’m just a sucker for nuclear flash white. >>57872401 +>>57872401 +--- 57872682 +>>57872299 + +>NO, just make one plane that fits all the bombs we have. I don't want to deal with logistics. diff --git a/k/57872294.txt b/k/57872294.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..04e03153a0f0a6c63d0778e81a4fa7fb632acb13 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57872294.txt @@ -0,0 +1,39 @@ +----- +--- 57872294 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn1_qy7kCCg [Embed] +>Kimber is now offering an alloy frame version of the K6 in .38 special for a lower MSRP than the Ruger LCR ($679 vs $739) +Is Ruger doing okay? Their prices seem to be getting really high vs the competition, and they used to be one of the less expensive US made options. +--- 57872545 +>>57872294 (OP) +LCR is a lot cheaper than that MSRP. $530 from PSA right now. I don't think they're having any problems selling the guns at that price point, either. They let Taurus have the budget DA revolver market. +--- 57872575 +Don't get me wrong, I'm, a revolver fag... But it's time to start moving away from 38 special for pocket guns. Just give me 380 acp pocket revolvers. It's cheaper and smaller. +--- 57872604 +>>57872575 +Taurus has you covered. +--- 57872614 +kimber is dogshit for retards +--- 57872619 +>>57872604 +There lies the problem; they had a good idea, but it's Taurus and I'm not carrying a Taurus. Someone in a first world country needs to hope on it. +--- 57872644 +>>57872575 +Unfortunately only the engineers at companies like Korth and Charter Arms can figure out how to make a revolver that can handle rimless cartridges without moon clips. Honestly I'd like to see a new production pocket double action .22 revolver like the old S&W M frame Ladysmith or those velo dog revolvers. +--- 57872657 +>>57872644 +What's so bad about using moon clips? +--- 57872699 +>>57872294 (OP) +>Spending more than 300 bucks on a revolver. +Lmao even +--- 57872701 +>>57872657 +Not being able to eject your ammo without them or using a pencil or something as an improvised ejector rod would be annoying for range use. +--- 57872865 +>>57872699 +Those are terrible. Get a Taurus at least +>>57872294 (OP) +I really wish they made a 6" of their steel version +--- 57873020 +>>57872644 +It's really goofy that Charter indeed does make a .380, but only with a 3" bbl diff --git a/k/57872368.txt b/k/57872368.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..aa63ba184a700de75c3145a790fe6618ff0488e1 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57872368.txt @@ -0,0 +1,115 @@ +----- +--- 57872368 +What is the doctrinal reason for US fielding nearly 2000 (two fucking thousand) attack helicopters ? +It must be more than just "because we can". Is it due to high potential losses in a peer conflict (as seen in Ukraine) Or do they serve some important purpose like being QRF to blunt armor rushes ? +--- 57872391 +Because fuck tanks +--- 57872399 +>>57872368 (OP) +When you aren't fighting a force with SAM's at the ready, they mop the floor. +--- 57872417 +because helicopter gunships are cool, and Apache is the top dog. do you need more of a reason? +--- 57872437 +>>57872368 (OP) +The sole reason is the Air Force severely limits the kind and amount of fixed wing aircraft the US Army can have. +So they went nuts with helicopters because they are retarded. +--- 57872448 +>>57872368 (OP) +To attack stuff with. +--- 57872467 +>>57872368 (OP) +>US no Apaches: 1891 +>Next biggest Apache user UK with 67 + +Lmao wtf there are 18 other users too. Why do you have 1891 Apaches? +--- 57872477 +>>57872368 (OP) +The army wanted air support without going through the air force. Since rotary-winged aircraft are short ranged, this means they're quasi-tactical assets and they need a lot of them. It might had turned out this way even without the Key West Agreement, but it surely helped with the sheer proliferation of helicopters. +--- 57872504 +>>57872368 (OP) +>do they serve some important purpose like being QRF to blunt armor rushes +Yes. Learn about the Cold War and Airland Battle. +--- 57872517 +>>57872368 (OP) +Because fuck you, that's why. +--- 57872540 +Autism. Air Force encroachment. That's basically the two big reasons. +--- 57872639 +>>57872504 +>Airland Battle +yeah they were kinda great in that. +--- 57872658 +>>57872467 +>Why do you have 1891 Apaches? +Why don't you? +--- 57872659 +Oh no! A handful of camel jockeys wearing bedsheets and sandals! And it's nighttime! + +>happy 30mm noises + +Asymmetric warfare is best warfare desu +--- 57872666 +Hot take: the Space Force should have all activities above the atmosphere, the Army has everything over land and the Navy everything over the sea. Remove the Air Force completely. + +Would save a ton of bureaucracy. +--- 57872672 +>>57872467 +Because we are a wealthy nation +--- 57872679 +>>57872639 +Best WG btw. +--- 57872695 +>>57872666 +The army sux +--- 57872709 +Because attack helicopters are pure fucking sex +--- 57872758 +>>57872666 +God I hate it when I have to arrange 2 equipment transfers in 0.5 seconds because pilot retard decided to fly over an island. At least we don’t have bureaucracy, right? +--- 57872773 +>>57872666 +Get thee behind me Satan +--- 57872784 +>>57872368 (OP) +That's part of it. In Nam' more helicopters went down then there are fighters in the USAF. +--- 57872813 +>>57872368 (OP) + reason to deny universal healthcare. +--- 57872876 +>>57872368 (OP) +>2000 (two fucking thousand) attack helicopters +Source? + +Military Balance gives the US Army 740 AH-64D/E Apaches and the US Marine Corps 130 AH-1Z Vipers. This is in line with typical NATO ratios considering the size of the US Army, US Marine Corps and US National Guard. + +Attack helicopters play a key role in bridging the gap between fast jets, drones and tanks; they operate at different altitudes, have different loiter and response times, can carry different types of ordnance and have different weaknesses. They're highly specialised but can present a different threat vector to enemy forces. +--- 57872884 +>>57872368 (OP) +You are now aware that the superior version of the longbow is actually manufactured by the bongs. +--- 57873013 +Because attack helicopters are fragile and they expected to lose A LOT of them, when defending against the soviet armored push - similar story to A-10. + +Now we know that the vatnik subhumans are unable to provide anti air protection for their advancing units to the point where they got raped by cheap turkshit drones but it was quite unexpected outcome. +If 2000 apache had appeared over Ukrainie in March 2022, we would witness the biblical-tier slaughter. +--- 57873094 +COMRADE GENERAL THE ENEMY'S ARMOURED FORCES HAVE JUST ROLLLED THROUGH OUR FRONT LINE AND THEY'RE COMING THIS WAY WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO?????? + +and thus attack helicopters were born. ironically, they're not for attacking at all. they are an extremely rapid reaction force for blunting enemy armoured spearheads. + +in fact german paratroopers literally have this same role. they're air-deployed speedbumps (i mean not ideally but it's a dangerous job) to reinforce areas that suddenly come under threat due to a breakthrough. + +the idea is that they can hold on long enough to let your main reaction force complete its road march and stabilise the new line. +--- 57873109 +>>57872884 +Once upon a time, yes; the WAH-64 was the most advanced Apache on the planet. But now the AH-64E is ahead, mainly due to superior electronics. +--- 57873151 +>>57872368 (OP) +Attack helicopters are the modern tank destroyer. People still can't wrap their head around the subject. +--- 57873162 +>>57872368 (OP) +There are 195 countries on earth. That's 10 us helicopters for each country. +--- 57873323 +>>57872368 (OP) +>Attack Helicopters provide integrated protection for air assault serials and paradrops +>Attack Helicopters are still effective at hunting and destroying enemy armor +Despite what smoothbrained internet commenters and youtube defense "experts" claim, helicopters are still incredibly effective at doing what they were designed to do. diff --git a/k/57872486.txt b/k/57872486.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b3a1eaa4c69aa289070ce3073c07554e6be9b5e8 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57872486.txt @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +----- +--- 57872486 +Could russia reactivate theit cruiser "Mikhail Kutuzov" ? It was decomissioned merely 20 years ago and preserved as museum. +It is already in black sea, and it has 12 6 inch guns making it heaviest artillery ship in the region. +They could use it to bombard the shit out of odessa, for example. +--- 57872496 +>>57872486 (OP) +Even if they could restore it to full working order, it'd get fucked by Neptunes or Harpoons before it could get close enough to hit the shore (assuming 6in naval gun ammo even exists in Russian reserves) +--- 57872526 +>>57872486 (OP) +Russia doesnt (can't) sail near odessa anymore. +Our Odessa D-day landing attack died with the Moskva +--- 57872598 +>>57872486 (OP) + +> blocks its‘ path +--- 57872622 +>>57872486 (OP) +>They could use it to bombard the shit out of odessa +Anon, modern naval mines have longer range than that antique artillery +--- 57872791 +>>57872486 (OP) +If the Russians could wave a magic wand and get the Moskva back at the same level of functionality it had in January 2022, knowing what they know now, it would sit in port permanently with the rest of the black sea fleet. diff --git a/k/57872543.txt b/k/57872543.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f3cda9c7f134dfc3997efc8e84fc80a57d4a9991 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57872543.txt @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +----- +--- 57872543 +Full Auto or Forward Assist? +>Both +--- 57872553 +>>57872543 (OP) +You diff --git a/k/57872580.txt b/k/57872580.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9fb2a6bd668cddb47459191df2bbe3e632976e28 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57872580.txt @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +----- +--- 57872580 +How many miles a day do you walk at RASP and SFAS respectively? diff --git a/k/57872586.txt b/k/57872586.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..000e980af6b92c561f6c312ff46d1bcbf2dc13ec --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57872586.txt @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +----- +--- 57872586 +henry back with that kino soul shit +--- 57872595 +>it fucks +--- 57872599 +>>57872586 (OP) +That finish looks uneven and shitty +--- 57872616 +>>57872599 +So just like real 30's era duty pistols. Neat. +--- 57872620 +>>57872599 +cool pay 1400+ for a dan wesson +--- 57872627 +>microscopic, non-adjustable rear sight +LOL +O +L +--- 57872635 +>>57872586 (OP) +Not a fan of the exposed ejector rod but kudos to Henry, it's only gotten better since they finally stepped out of their comfort zone with the side loading gates on their lever guns +--- 57872642 +>they made a birdshead too +--- 57872669 +>>57872620 +I have an older Dan Wesson 15-2, why would I buy a new one? +--- 57872686 +>>57872586 (OP) +"Ill just take that revolver there" + +Store clerk : "Which revolver? Say the full name." + +"*Sigh* ill take the Henry Big Boy with the super-duper protecty rounds." +--- 57872696 +>>57872686 +HAHAHAH +--- 57872708 +>>57872686 +Maybe they'll do a compact model called the "BBC" +--- 57872725 +>>57872686 +Would you like the Sheep Dog Big Boy holster package with that, or perhaps the Big Boy Cowboy Carry option? +--- 57872790 +>>57872642 +Need that as a snub so I can chop the hammer and trigger guard +--- 57872846 +>>57872686 +I'm still mad that they discontinued that when they condensed the menu to two pages three years back. +--- 57872854 +>>57872790 +just cut it down +--- 57872858 +Guys I fixed it! +--- 57872883 +>>57872858 +no +--- 57872913 +>>57872858 +...fuck you now I want it. +--- 57872979 +>>57872858 +It looks like an old school Charter Arms Bulldog, kinda. Pretty sure they still make them like that if you order it, it'd be a lot cheaper and probably same quality (if you can find .44 Special) +--- 57872999 +>>57872913 +>>57872858 +Wouldn't be to hard to put a finish over the parts after market. +--- 57873078 +>>57872999 +yas +--- 57873228 +>>57872858 +I don't like that exposed ejector rod, fix it again. diff --git a/k/57872882.txt b/k/57872882.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..109613df836dc59c8b1f7974aff0d036c9ca30f4 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57872882.txt @@ -0,0 +1,14 @@ +----- +--- 57872897 +>>57872882 (OP) +Humans are large mammals. +--- 57872899 +>>57872882 (OP) +This is the man we deserve. +--- 57872927 +>>57872897 +that's true I think we're in the top 1% of mammal species. +Well, Americans are. Indonesians may not be. +--- 57873028 +>>57872882 (OP) +Paul Harrell looks like what you imagine the man on the other side of the gloryhole at a rest stop looks like. diff --git a/k/57872904.txt b/k/57872904.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..62c1b0adb71492e32c9f8b2fcbee56c480114116 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57872904.txt @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@ +----- +--- 57872904 +Last time we examined the crappy Type 82-2 grenade which exemplified common last-millennium stereotypes about Chinese products. Its replacement the Type 86 (sometimes misrepresented as the 86P, P is the training model) is markedly superior. +--- 57872914 +>>57872904 (OP) +I still don't understand how you weld a grenade without blowing it up though. +--- 57872918 +>>57872914 +You weld it before you put the explosives in it +--- 57872936 +>>57872918 +But that doesn't make sense how would you get them inside? You have to build the grenade around it? +--- 57872940 +>>57872904 (OP) +The Type 86 full plastic handleless steel ball grenade is also a member of the Type 82 series family in a broad sense, but it is quite different from the Type 82-2. The material of the projectile body has changed from steel plate stamping to an all-plastic ribbed body. The fragments are 1,600 steel balls with a diameter of 2.5 to 3 mm poured in the mold before injection-molding of the polymer projectile body. The explosives are no longer TNT but stable Comp B. Hit the ignition fuze with a hammer instead. The structure of fuze is the same as the needle ignition fuze of the 82-2 grenade. The difference is that the sharp firing pin is replaced by a round-headed hammer, which does not pierce the cap when firing to prevent smoke/sound leakage as often seen in Russian grenades. +--- 57872967 +>>57872940 +Compared with the semi-prefabricated fragment structure of steel plate stamping and notching, the steel ball prefragment projectile has many advantages: there is no problem of connecting fragments, the weight of each fragment is basically the same, the shape of spherical fragments is regular, and the wind resistance encountered during flight is easy to calculate. By determining the explosive type, quality and steel ball diameter, a relatively stable killing radius and safety circle can be obtained. + +China had experience using steel ball fragmentation in earlier grenades like the Type 73 and Type 71-1 but the Type 86 is the first time they built a mature, professional product. +--- 57873026 +>>57872967 +During prototyping in the grenade failed a drop test and had the pin pulled out, which led to the invention of the confidence clip. + +Burgers invented the jungle safety clip long ago, but they didn't add a confidence clip to the M67 until 2009. China created it in the 1980s. This isn't well known even among Chinese, because the PLAA only started using the Type 86 for routine training recently. +--- 57873077 +>>57873026 +tl;dr China had an equivalent to the DM61 on the same timeline. Chinese weapons-weebs like to complain about the 3mm frags compared to the western 2mm frags btw. + +They built the technology early. They just didn't field it until it became fashionable, cheap, and politically viable; at which point the mass production turned on and the Type 82-2s were sold as surplus to Nepal, SEA and Africa. diff --git a/k/57872959.txt b/k/57872959.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4668ce265abdc715d631d6be292d06a530eda043 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57872959.txt @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +----- +--- 57872959 +Your daily LANCET kill, couple tens of millions of dollars more of your taxes up in flames, again. +--- 57872978 +>>57872959 (OP) +Thank God. I'd rather it go to warfare than LGTV social programs and shit. +--- 57873010 +>>57872959 (OP) +Is this one of the previous kills but they finally reached its location by advancing 1.5km. +--- 57873029 +>>57872959 (OP) +Money well spent. +I wonder how many Russians it killed before they got it. +How long have they been in theatre OP? +--- 57873032 +money spent killing russians is money well spent + +you have no idea how rich we are and how much i want to see your children die + +we will continue to give weapons to ukraine for free solely so that they can kill more russians and we will not suffer any consequences for doing so because your arrogance is matched only by your impotence lol +--- 57873042 +It's ogre guys, Russia will totally stop retreating soon. +--- 57873056 +>>57872959 (OP) +>muh taxerinos +--- 57873081 +>>57872978 +>>57873010 +>>57873029 +>>57873032 +>>57873042 +>>57873056 +--- 57873098 +>>57872959 (OP) +I pay taxes so we can have this anon... +--- 57873113 +>>57872959 (OP) +Good morning sir. Thank you for another Lancet thread, we in the West are very disillusioned with the way Ukrainian army is losing and will do anything to stop spending our money on them. Have a nice day! +--- 57873128 +>>57872959 (OP) +These are American weapons. Built for the American government by American workers who are paid American dollars. In the large scale this is inconsequential to a country rich in resources and knowledge. Though I wouldn't expect someone who relies on their enemy for shit like thermal sights and observation equipment to understand. +--- 57873156 +>>57872959 (OP) +Absolutely worth it for all the dead vatnik trash, humiliated vatnik military and daily vatnik butthurt. +--- 57873168 +Yes comrade we must immediately stop sending our tax dollars to Ukraine and spend instead here in America for big trucks and roads! In Texas Oblast where I live is big problem with roads become impassable muddy during hot season and we should pave them not send weapons to Nazis!!! +--- 57873178 +>>57873156 +u know that russia wouldn't be humiliated right now if they were winning... right..? be u won't even concede this point... +--- 57873188 +>>57872959 (OP) +For the fist time in over decade I feel like my taxes are being spend well because less than 0.01 percent of the budget is being spend on blowing up russians +--- 57873197 +>>57872959 (OP) +>Daily +Really nigga? +--- 57873206 +>>57872959 (OP) +I can't believe I get to live to see my tax dollars directly spent on killing Russians. It brings a tear to my eye. +Maybe everything is going to be alright after all bros. +--- 57873207 +>>57873197 +he posts them daily, he never said LANCET makes daily kills. There's nothing wrong with reposts, CHUD +--- 57873220 +>>57873098 +I'm pretty sure Indian taxes don't finance this. +--- 57873234 +>>57873207 +Please provide proof that the video in OP existed before today. +--- 57873262 +>>57872959 (OP) +Daily reminder that Russians have destroyed a maximum of 35 or so 155mm SPH. This is the Russian might. +--- 57873274 +>>57872959 (OP) +There are ~24 million Russian men aged between 18 and 44, if we are willing to spend as much as we spent of the GWOT (which I am) that means we can afford $120,833 per dead Russian. +We must invest now to build a better tomorrow. +--- 57873289 +>>57873234 +BMP-1 is not a lancet, so I don't understand what your posts suppose to say +--- 57873315 +>>57873098 +>27/1/23 +oh look at that almost 4 months old diff --git a/k/57873063.txt b/k/57873063.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..26de9320261599b954ba368259f3e5b533ed68d7 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57873063.txt @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@ +----- +--- 57873063 +First time suppressor buyer. +What is the best can, and what qualities matter the most when deciding what to purchase? +This will be for a 5.56 sbr +--- 57873122 +>>57873063 (OP) +heh, looks like you've already got one right there +--- 57873236 +>>57873063 (OP) +>What is the best can +There is none, everything involves tradeoffs to some degree. That said for 5.56 the best overall if you can afford it is probably the Flow 556k, which combines very good at-the-ear performance with low back pressure. Although note that 5.56 doesn't suppress that well period, and with almost any can and supersonic ammo you should still use earpro, it's just that you can get away with much less and be much safer than with any amount of earpro alone. +>and what qualities matter the most when deciding what to purchase? +Your platform first, whether you've got an adjustable gas block etc. + +Then there is sound at the shooter's ear, sound to bystanders (only of importance to groups like military maybe), back pressure, size (both length and weight), warranty (very important), and price as top category of tradeoffs. For warranty and price take into account the +$200 floor and enormous wait and irritation, though since it's an SBR you know that already. After that comes more specific stuff, like if you want something for large volumes of sustained fire or not. + +Best review site right now is pewscience.com, they're not perfect or cover everything yet but they do a solid set of objective reviews. Worth reading through it all, though again the support factor matters. + +Nice kat and gat btw. diff --git a/k/57873084.txt b/k/57873084.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..51581d6debf7a25e3c432d52fc96374190829b70 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57873084.txt @@ -0,0 +1,14 @@ +----- +--- 57873084 +Why do US history classes present Americans like Washington, Lafayette and Morgan as inventing light infantry by stealing it from the injins when the nazis had light infantry in the 1630s and the bongs had light infantry during the 7 years war (though it sounds like the 95th rifles and bong light infantry went under major changes in 1801) +--- 57873199 +>>57873084 (OP) +Another no guns post? Go back to your containment board. + +>>>/his/ +--- 57873215 +>>57873199 +kill yourself ukrane bot +--- 57873233 +>>57873084 (OP) +The US school system exists as an indoctrination tool first, and education system second. They want everyone to believe (or at least did 20 years ago when the books were written) that America is the greatest country to ever exist and that it invented everything good in the world. diff --git a/k/57873106.txt b/k/57873106.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0415fe99036f728626dc02a6a54538906647c26e --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57873106.txt @@ -0,0 +1,22 @@ +----- +--- 57873106 +Can someone explain to me why do they have access to data regarding the war in Ukraine? +I thought their job was to help the state and be a reserve? +--- 57873179 +>>57873106 (OP) +Decentralization of the military and guard after 9/11, Guard is often doing the same stuff that active duty do. He was also full time, practically active duty, working in IT so likely information was being passed through systems he had access to. + +Not to mention due to the recruitment shortage more Guard units are being called up to fill the voids in active duty responsibilities. +--- 57873213 +>>57873106 (OP) +>Can someone explain to me why do they have access to data regarding the war in Ukraine? +>I thought their job was to help the state and be a reserve? + +Wow it's almost like military organizations are flexible enough to perform multiple roles, and reserve troops are trained to do the same jobs as regular members. +--- 57873253 +>>57873179 +Thanks for the clear answer. +Are they going to change things, because in terms of security this is bad. No wonder why China was able to steal the F35 plans if some dumb kid in the national guard has access to that kind of info. I bet he would have done damage if the CCP had provided him a chink gf. +--- 57873281 +>>57873213 +Okay so you can pilot a F22 while practicing one day a month in the US AND having a fulltime job? That's how your reserve works? diff --git a/k/57873117.txt b/k/57873117.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..34dbf6a829a61141dea77033fd6f88e78ce1a736 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57873117.txt @@ -0,0 +1,51 @@ +----- +--- 57873117 +I’m gonna catch a lot of shit for this but I honestly don’t care if an assault weapons ban gets passed. Maybe I’m a 23 year old fudd but I am way more interested in old military surplus rifles and other historical guns than modern soulless “sporting” rifles. I already have an M4 block 1. Its a good gun but I don’t “need” it. Most civilians will be plenty well armed with a nice bolt action, shotgun, and a good pistol. So the (((government))) wants to ban semi autos with large magazines? Fine. Idgaf and it makes no difference to me. +--- 57873136 +>>57873117 (OP) +I love old milsurp but I also love all guns. The government should mandate every prison inmate in this country gang-banging you. +--- 57873137 +>>57873117 (OP) +kill yourself, but be sure to jump off a bridge or something while doing it +--- 57873142 +>>57873117 (OP) +Here's your guaranteed reply OP +--- 57873147 +i bet you watch Mike B and jerk off to wood finisher +--- 57873177 +>>57873136 +Modern prisons shouldn’t exist. If you commit a crime, you should be either fined, beaten, killed, or some combination of those three. +--- 57873195 +>>57873137 +No + +>>57873142 +Thanks + +>>57873147 +The ASMR videos are nice +--- 57873229 +>I love historical guns +>most c&r guns are select fire and banned, no c&r exception for imports or entering the transferrable list +>an assault weapon ban will ban even more guns in their c&r original configurations +Sounds like you don't really like historical guns. + +I shouldn't have to buy EU citizenship and a closet in Malta to own a FG42. +--- 57873244 +>>57873117 (OP) +>Idgaf and it makes no difference to me. + +It will when they decide your Springfield is a deadly sniper rifle. The grabbers have had success with divide-and-conquer before, but luckily showed their hand quickly enough for people to realize they won't stop at semi-autos. If you don't speak up for AR owners, who will speak up for you when the come for your guns? +--- 57873255 +Go fuck yourself OP, and ASMR is gay. +--- 57873300 +>>57873244 +You are free to choose your hill to die on. I will choose mine. + +>>57873255 +>Reddit rifle +>”I VOOOTED” +Yes I’m sure you voted for Donald Trumpenberg and his cabal of Jews. +--- 57873313 +>>57873177 +True, prison is unironically more inhumane than any of those, although i would add in exile as an option. Imagine if your dog killed some other animal and instead of just putting it down you kept it locked in a cage in your basement for the rest of its life. People would think you were a psychopath or a monster, and you might even go to jail for it. Meanwhile we do the exact same to human beings