diff --git a/lit/21912608.txt b/lit/21912608.txt index 280dfe3d96abdff9a5c4310ffbf802a69c6ec367..4ce47e81bad1e822d3c75079bb35b85be398658e 100644 --- a/lit/21912608.txt +++ b/lit/21912608.txt @@ -3043,3 +3043,289 @@ indian- -a locale favorite --- 21953479 Wrote this a few years ago. I wrote a lot of short poems a few years ago, inspired by my time in graduate school. +--- 21953898 +>>21912608 (OP) +The hour + +Wake up +White walls +Dead air +Dead halls +Clock ticks +Sun sets +Life goes +Mind bends +Wait for +Hour's end + +A prayer for the fallen artist + +Hark, thee! I listen to another man's warcry, +And it clangs in my head, the song! +Of a great man! Who improved the life of another for having lived! + +Hear such beauty, an ode to duty! +The falen artist sees it all, +Fallen wings, scorched and torn! +He can see the beauty! +The fingerspitzgefual, +Wretched away from the bosom, he stands there lying +A broken tool! +To soar to heaven, to get burnt. +The fool! + +There he sits, his wings +ashen black, +Like heaven's brightest star! +Only to slip beneath the crack. + +DAMN! +DAMN! +DAMN! + +For what one sows, he shall reap, +to sip the God's nectar, +bread shall not keep. + +To walk among the living, +for dread toward the day, +bitter and black as tar, +to him we all but say: + +A prayer! +A prayer! +A prayer for the fallen artist! + +For at the string's sinews tear! +black as coal, he cannot bear! + +Of the great, many fallen among their lot! +Their hearts boon, +never begot! + +Subsist, take care! +The paradise of the soul +Is too your share! +Of the beauty it holds, +you must take care! + +A prayer! +A prayer! +A prayer for the fallen artist! +--- 21953971 +>>21952634 +I haven't read any of them after high school. Do I sound too similar? +--- 21953989 +You realiser got get some pfizer +rewinder gotta be an early riser +do some wagie right in my cagie +can't even sagie bad threads imma ragie +stop continue you gotta in you +NPC gotta get the triple vax menu +ooooooooooohhhhh yeahhhhhhhh +--- 21954023 +>>21953898 +Gay +--- 21954459 +>>21952634 +Frater do you have a burner email I can message you at with a question so as to not derail this thread +--- 21954479 +>>21954459 +bigdicksuckerjewlover9000@proton.mail +--- 21954504 +>>21954479 +lol is this real? +--- 21954559 +>>21954459 +You might as well discuss it here if it pertains to poetry. This thread is most fruitful when we are not sharing and critiquing our own, mostly bad, poems. +--- 21954645 +>>21954559 +It's not about poetry that's why I wanted to talk about it elsewhere +--- 21954786 +princes, Fasci & +kings in northern Greece, their +pistols torn Fast from +kissed Girls, Porn-Stars from the nor- +thern end of the beach + +driving his Truck the Fasco +dry from the wet, Grecian rain took +the Girls in Trucks +their curling, wet, Grecian +hair & Gloves around +pistols, they Fucked +his gang of Fasci, Fascio + +invoking Evocations +the Mage-King's Invocation, Bleistein +evoked his Evocation of +kabbalah, invoking Golem, +cabbalist Gloved + +lighting Cigarillo with +lightning-Symbol of Schutzstaffel +S S the Boys slung Guns & +guessed, Drunk the Girls' Secrets as the +radio Played White Noise, Waffles +toasted by Girls with Guns +roasting +fine Meats to put on Buns with +wine for +the Drunkards + +the Boys left for Rome while +the Girls' card-playing +made them feel at Home; +spades in Hand, Peasants whiling +along Country Roads leading up to +the City of Rome as +the Fasci played Guitars, +strumming +chords with Hands of Skill; +bored, from Country Windows +farm-Girls dreamt Carnalities +harmed +by the Fascist Peasant-Boys of +various Nationalities + +in Rome the Lombard-Girl awaited +her Roman Fasco, Tall & Fair +with a Cigarillo in his +Mouth +the Roman Fasco's Skin was like White +marble like the Skin of a Girl +from Northern Lombardy with Lips +Crimson & Baby-Soft, his Hound +barking Epileptically, bound +by a Leash amidst Rain as a +radio Played, +trucks Screeching through +the Rain +as Teenage Fasci, +parking their Fascist +trucks with Rifles slung Fucked +teenage Girls with Skin as White as +marble, their Daggers +ripping Clothes to reveal White +alabaster + +speeding Across Croatian Soil, +taking Drugs like +speed, the Boys Listened +to Crap Music on +radios as they +sped past the Bavarian Peasant- +boys near the Bavarian Peasant- +girls as the Suabian Coast +came in to View + +& sailing across British Seas, Bleistein +evoking Kabbalah as Synagogues +erupted Holocausts of Flame, +Fasci reaching London's Lodge +burning to the Ground in Shame, Bleistein +dragging Swords across Lodge's Foyer + +flying Far across the Sky as +lightning Struck against Flame, turbanned +jihadi With The +lightning-Symbols +of the Schutzstaffel +descending For +jihad, Striking +bleistein as He +descended From +stairs, Evoking +numerologies As +fasci With +lightning-Symbols & Swastikas +descended upon Flame +--- 21954796 +>>21954479 +I came across this diagram of Graham Hough's while reading Richard Lanham's A Handlist of Rhetorical Terms. Are you familiar with it? It is apparently in furtherance of Northrop Frye's Anatomy of Criticism. I thought it might illustrate some of our differences in taste. You seem to occupy the space between 9 and 12 whereas I am within 12 and 3. I will have to read more about this today so I can get a more nuanced understanding of it. At the moment, I think symbolism and realism are degenerate compared to fairytales and Shakespeare. +--- 21954827 +>>21954796 +Brother that's not him lol +--- 21954918 +>>21954827 +Thanks. I didn't check. +--- 21955876 +>>21915830 +i really liked that +--- 21956337 +>>21954459 +Just message me on discord if you have it @Hairy#9550 +>>21954479 +I’ll stand by the Jew lover but not the dick sucking, also make it 9001. + +>>21954796 +Nope never encountered it, I’m a bit busy but later I’ll read over it and read into it, looks interesting enough. +--- 21956505 +~ Indulgent + +My feathers are blue, +and my eyes can only meet +the stars. + +I see birds dying their colors. +Beautiful wings. +Are they true? + +I once dreamed of a nest +of my own. +Yet all the trees have been about +leaves. + +I dance and I sing, +I feel the air and +only the air knows me. + +I’ve flown across everyone +and I’ve lost my shadow. +Nobody saw me. + +Well, I +speak in metaphors, +so that I may listen +to the fall. +_____________ +--- 21956541 +~ Relativity + +tiny and small +to me, they all seem +their problems and +everything in between + +I reach the event +meant for any horizon +and a mirror stands tall +inside my event horizon + +push and pull +like a paradox +twisting the law +I have to stand +but I +stand to fall + +so I let my feet +touch nothing +I step on the air +while I reach +for the emptiness. +________________ +--- 21956704 +>>21956337 +Eh whatever I'll just ask here, thoughts on Gareth Knight for practical Christian Kabbalah? +--- 21957199 +>>21956704 +Wouldn’t recommend it, your best bet is Agrippa, Paracelsus, boehme, trithemius and similar lit and amplify them with direct study of Jewish Kabbalistic lit + the grimoires. If you want a very comprehensive short singular work, the sixth and seventh book of Moses is a wonderful option. +--- 21957432 +Why no love here for Longfellow? +--- 21957456 +>>21957432 +Nigger, are you Longfellow? This thread is for poetry YOU made. +--- 21957509 +>>21957456 +I can't hold a candle to the greats, so why not laud them? I doubt you even read very widely in the canon of poetic permutations, if you think the only point of a thread is to post your own poesy. Pleb. diff --git a/lit/21917939.txt b/lit/21917939.txt index 99904ee823ec71bd257a32c3595b497ce6759c5b..b2f1bda0ee12f16ebe96f71234df4f41c7003d08 100644 --- a/lit/21917939.txt +++ b/lit/21917939.txt @@ -418,3 +418,20 @@ this thing i mean. incredible to think they just fucking lost the most important --- 21953501 >>21919798 human behavior is quite repetitive +--- 21955067 +bump +--- 21955348 +>>21953501 +That was what I was saying + +>>21953498 +The ark is safe now in Africa +--- 21956631 +>>21955348 +Based Ethiopians +--- 21956654 +>>21955348 +the Ark of the Covenant is in heaven +--- 21957152 +>>21947555 +we need more of this in the next thread... the one that's gonna satisfy everybody here diff --git a/lit/21932156.txt b/lit/21932156.txt index 71150f3c1aa5f9561edac31a6797c56fab0bbecf..aefb9e01c2112272778a61e7d50a7c41b6cb0333 100644 --- a/lit/21932156.txt +++ b/lit/21932156.txt @@ -845,3 +845,167 @@ Just a tip you probably didn't get taught at the leftist indoctrination centre w Fpbp. His only mistake was leaving the Church or not going Orthodox. And with that, "that is all Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know." +--- 21954061 +>>21951480 +>then is not awareness anymore,m the notion of maya defeats the pourpose of awareness as a thing that exist, let alone functions +This is meaningless babble once again lol, maya does not 'defeat anything', Brahman is unaffected by maya, Brahman's partless reflexive awareness remains what it is and exactly the same irrespective of the apparent presence or absence of maya, it makes no difference either way. + +>the only way self-awareness can arise is in a reflective manner, that is, by reflecting itself in the object of awareness +This is dumb hegelian schizononsense and it isn't a serious argument, I disagree with that premise, which is a premise that is impossible for you to prove, you can only assert it as an unprovable dogma which fails to refute anything. Brahman's awareness is not a 'conceptual awareness' that develops through conscious reflection but is NON-CONCEPTUAL AWARENESS you retard, reflection plays no role whatsoever. This non-conceptual awareness is partless, unconditoned, eternal and immutable, it has never not been intrinsically self-aware/self-revealing. Your point doesn't even make sense in this context because such an awareness would not need nothing else and there would be no possibility of it deviating or ever being not-aware. + +>and there's no object of awareness either, then self awareness can't happen +>if awareness is not an object and there's no object of awareness either, then self awareness can't happen +Once again, you are fundamentally misunderstanding the entire premise by trying to retreat back to a dogmatic assertion that awareness involves a linkage of subject and object, I'm talking about another type or conception of awareness entirely from you, one that is utterly partless and simple, and has already been said it is self-disclosing in a way that transcends and doesn't involve the subject-object division. Just because whatever retarded pseudophilosophy you follow disagrees is not sufficient proof that other conceptions of awareness are inherently wrong, all you are doing is dogmatically asserting that only your conception off awareness is the right one, which is not a real argument and it doesn't refute anything. +--- 21954068 +>>21953415 +Orthodoxy definitely is in line with the Traditionalist framework. Him and Evola had good intuitions about that. +--- 21954086 +>>21932156 (OP) +>>Is completely forgotten in the west outside 4chan and some far right and occultist circles +It's amusing how american Guénon larpers paint him as obscure and radical to cultivate an air of edgy esoterism, when reality is much more prosaic. +--- 21954095 +>>21954086 +France is probably the only western country where he is anywhere close to being commonly recognized by the average educated person +--- 21954142 +>>21952051 +Plato, Aristotle, and Plotinus would suffice as background. Everything else he explains himself. +--- 21954215 +>>21954142 +I'm not even sure if Guenon had read Plotinus, at least he never mentions him explicitly, except maybe in one or two places. Aristotle is definitely necessary, though, as he is the Western philosopher Guenon uses as a baseline for translating metaphysical terminology from the East, and there is constant reference made to his work (plus Aquinas). I'd say Aristotle and Aquinas would be the essential backbone for Guenon, Plato would then still be worthwhile but not quite as important. +--- 21954258 +>>21954061 +>arguing with borderline retarded ESLs +--- 21954262 +>>21938138 +>cant into limits +Kek and then he decided to write a book about calculus. Jfl +--- 21954263 +>>21932156 (OP) +>Is completely forgotten in the west outside 4chan and some far right and occultist circles +Lmao, what fucking university did you study at? +--- 21954357 +>>21954061 +>This is meaningless babble +this is just a ad hominem fallacy, prove how weak your argument is + +>Brahman's partless reflexive awareness +if brahman is awareness itself, then brahman can't at the same time "be" aware,it's like saying you're touching the touching, that's actual babble +>This is dumb hegelian schizononsense and it isn't a serious argument +again, another ad homine, which is the only not serious argument here +>I disagree with that premise, which is a premise that is impossible for you to prove, +i don't need to prove that you're aware of things, that's an empirial fact, not a logical one, if you wnat top disagree with that you're free to do so, but you're negating a basic fact of reality, what's important here is taht empirical actual awareness don't conect with your non-conceptual awareness, so you saying "brahman is awareness" doesn't make any sense and is the only dogmatic argument here, since you can't porve how the awareness that i can experiemnt relates to non-conceptual awareness and how that relates with brahman, you're just dogmatically repeatign those axiom like is a self evident true +>This non-conceptual awareness is partless, unconditoned, eternal and immutable, it has never not been intrinsically self-aware/self-revealing. Your point doesn't even make sense in this context because such an awareness would not need nothing else and there would be no possibility of it deviating or ever being not-aware. +again, try to tpove taht instead of just repeatign it as an act of blind faith, you're not telling what awareness is, you're repeatign what you think awareness should be in order to fit your system, but in reality there'sno moment of pure awarenss or non.cocneptual awareness that i can use to contarst it with the empirical awareness of experience +>I'm talking about another type or conception of awareness entirely from you, +yes but you can't prove or articulate how such a thing can exist, just saying that "is awareness" doesn't work because awareness in the real life can only be epxlained with the subject/object dichotomoy, just thinking there's something else because teh vedas say so is by deffinition dogmatism +>>21954061 +>whatever retarded pseudophilosophy you follow disagrees is not sufficient proof that other conceptions of awareness are inherently wrong +again, no one needs a philosophy book to know that you're a person(subject) that os aware of an object(object) is completly self evident and you can even see it expressed in every language in the world, there's al ogical expersssion of taht dichotomy and an empirical one, the burden of proof is on you, and all you can answer is "you don't know if that true, my system is as good as yours" +--- 21954365 +>>21952091 + +most french philosopher of that era where against sociology, the fat thay they refuted classical metaphysics doesn't mean that they where mundnae, just that you have a naive notion of what true metaphysics is all about, a metapysical with a sky daddy and fairy tales is actually the most shallow and mundane system of the bunch +--- 21954419 +>>21954357 +> if brahman is awareness itself, then brahman can't at the same time "be" aware,it's like saying you're touching the touching, that's actual babble +Brahman “being” aware just means that Brahman IS aware, i.e. it is what its own nature is; if Brahman was awareness itself then it would be contradictory for Brahman to not be aware (is aware). Perhaps because you are ESL that’s why you didnt understand this. If you actually understand English then it’s obvious that nothing illogical or contradictory was said, a thing is what its own nature is, Brahman’s nature is awareness ergo Brahman is aware. + +> i don't need to prove that you're aware of things, that's an empirial fact, not a logical one, +Just because we have empirical knowledge of objects does not constitute sufficient philosophical or logical proof that awareness itself is a connection of subject and object, because even in the Advaitic model where awareness itself is partless and without subject-object they still account for the empirical knowledge of objects by having the intellect/mind complex that is lit up by awareness be the thing that interacts with objects, so the mere fact of the empirical experience of objects does not contradict their teaching or prove anything about what awareness itself is. + +> so you saying "brahman is awareness" doesn't make any sense and is the only dogmatic argument here +This is not profane philosophy where I am trying to prove a thesis using syllogisms or another form of argument, I am talking about a doctrine that is sourced from revealed Scriptures and hence they don’t care about proving it. The concept itself makes complete sense and it only seems conflicts with anything if you accept dumb a priori axioms that conflict with it, but these axioms of yours are themselves unproven so any argument which presupposes them uncritically and without proving them will itself fail to refute or otherwise demonstrate any contradiction in Advaita so these basis or validity of the argument remains unestablished. + +> yes but you can't prove or articulate how such a thing can exist +I can articulate how it exists easily, it is the unconditioned, undecaying, independent absolute reality itself and has always existed forever and will forever do so, that is how. + +>just saying that "is awareness" doesn't work because awareness in the real life can only be epxlained with the subject/object dichotomoy +I explained why this is an invalid argument in the second part of this post above. Moreover it’s not even true that normal empirical experience can “only be explained” that way since the experience of objects and the subject-object divide can be accounted for by assigning it to the intellect/mind and not awareness itself. +--- 21954427 +>>21954419 +>>21954357 +> the burden of proof is on you, and all you can answer is "you don't know if that true, my system is as good as yours" +I have nothing to prove, I am just demonstrating that there are not any arguments whatsoever that actually refute the Advaitic position or demonstrate any logical contradiction in it since they all these arguments invariably rely on logical fallacies and/or unproven presuppositions. Advaita is not refutable by any means, period. +--- 21955391 +>>21947753 +>This is you once again slipping into the false dichotomy which I already identified and disposed of as invalid and irrelevant here >>21943077, perhaps you didn't understand the point that was made. If you actually understand the point it becomes irrational for you to even raise this question again. The "act of experiencing" is, just like the objects, equally belonging to the falsity that the reality of Brahman conjures/projects as falsity. +In other words, the experiencing is just as false as the objects the Brahman is experiencing(!) + +Once it is understood that what I call experiencing is the same as what you call projecting, a contradiction can be seen. +--- 21955398 +>>21954419 +>Brahman “being” aware just means that Brahman IS aware +you said Brhaman is awareness, not brahmanis aware, here>>21951247 +so you're now contradicting yourself only to win a point +>that awareness itself is a connection of subject and object, +that doesn't matter, we know that empirical awareness requieres ansubject and an object, so by deffinition awareness itself(if that ting even exist) should be related to that principle, if not then is not related to the concept of awareness and is not "awareness" itself, just a vague trascendent object of imagination +>that is sourced from revealed Scriptures +exctly, so you by deffinition rel yon dogma, hence you're dogmatic +>I can articulate how it exists easily, it is the unconditioned, undecaying, independent absolute reality itself and has always existed forever and will forever do so, that is how. +you're not articualting anything there, you're describing an object from your imagination(or shankara's), an articulaiton implies that you explain how such an object can interact with empirical reality, or in other words, how that object is more than just an object of your imagination +>and not awareness itself. +you first have to prove that awarenes sitself exist, which you can't do since you need to rely on dogma +>>21954427 +>I have nothing to prove +no one has nothing to rpove, you chose to tets your argument by debating here, but in the end you back up to dogmatic axioms, so your doing a lousy job at proving your point, or show how advaita is "irrefutable", since your whole system relies on circular reasoning +--- 21955864 +>>21932156 (OP) +what did he got right then, qrd? +--- 21955914 +>>21932156 (OP) +I recently came to know of perennialism as it relates to religion and want to learn more; is Guenon a good place to start? +--- 21957733 +>>21932156 (OP) +>most influential thinker of the 30s +Read more books. +>why was he forgotten +Because like all perennialists what he writes is a giant argument from authority on (undebated) assumptions of watered down platonism. +He is a nonentity in western intellectual literature and he's as relevant as a minor neoplatonist in late antiquity, reworking theories of others and adding nothing. The King of the World and Symbols of the Sacred science are embarassing books, and if you want to read "thinkers" of the last century read some Heidegger or Wittgenstein. +Traditionalists are the literal hooga booga monkeys of western philosophy, going back to unpack the knowledge of lost tribes as if it made sense and turning every piece of culture they have the disgrace to touch into an O MY RUBBER PLATONISM where you have metaphysical order of whatever informing reality. +I love Plato but these guys would literally shit their pants if they read one (1) Aristotle book and actually understood it, as most philosopher from Plato onwards did, trying to advance a discussion. Wannabe a Platonist? Read fucking Plato, or Plotinus, or Lloyd Gerson's sperging about Ur-Platonism. Not this guy or Evola. + +And if you are ACTUALLY interested in ancient religions, Eliade, Brelich and Kerenyi are going to be much better starting points for you than these absolute irrelevant hacks. +Go to a library, use google or ChatGPT for what matters but read a fucking book. +--- 21957771 +>>21957733 +I haven't posted here for a while, but this is utter rubbish, complete dogshit. +>Neoplatonism, Platonism, Plotinus +You are completely exaggerating the relationship between Guénon and "Platonism." This is almost embarrassing for you, guénon's main work was in studying oriental metaphysics as exactly as possible, not from the lens of platonist, but from inside the tradition itself. Guénon was one of the first authors to describe Advaita Vedanta to western audiences in so much detail, in his book Man and His becoming according to the Vedanta, a cornerstone of his work. Nowhere there does he reference Platonism. Infact guénon does not even care much for Platonism, or for Plotinus. he paid very little attention to the western intellectual tradition, in fact he wrote more on Aristotle than plato, or Plotinus, merely because of the connection there to medieval Christianity and the scholastics. Guénon is about Oriental Metaphysics, Ibn Arabi, Shankara, the Upanishads, the Vedas and the Quran, even Kabbalah and the Zohar which he saw as the core of the more modern western esoteric tradition. Anyway you seem to be confused because nowhere did he declare himself to be part of the canon of western philosophy, he went to great lengths to deconstruct this sort of categorization. And no. Just no. Plotinus and the Neoplatonists was not his main subject of interest, that is later schuonian interpolation, and the role that the platonic tradition had a role in inspiring Guénon was arguably non-existent. + +>And if you are ACTUALLY interested in ancient religions, Eliade, Brelich and Kerenyi are going to be much better starting points for you than these absolute irrelevant hacks. +>Ancient religions +No instead go through initiation and learn from a qualified representative of the respective tradition, or read the traditional sources themselves. You don't seem to understand + +After thinking about it for a long time, guénons aim have much more in common with psychiatriats investigating and systematizing "non-ordinary states of consciousness" like stanislav grof, than they do with these sterile bookish anthropologists and historians of religion. It is all leading to direct experience and intuition. + +Imagine calling the upanishads and Advaita Vedanta "watered down Platonism" you really are embarrassing yourself to those who are really in the Know. +I have noticed the population of people who have actually detected the primary objective of guénon in terms of seeking out initiation, and prioritizing direct experiential metaphysical realization, have dropped to almost 0 here. +--- 21957783 +>>21957733 +>I love Plato but these guys would literally shit their pants if they read one (1) Aristotle book and actually understood it, as most philosopher from Plato onwards did, trying to advance a discussion. Wannabe a Platonist? Read fucking Plato, or Plotinus, or Lloyd Gerson's sperging about Ur-Platonism. Not this guy or Evola. +Complete rubbish, you were completely filtered by the Primary directive of Guénon and Evola. The acquisition of supra-individual, supra-human states of consciousness through a process of initiatic disclosure. This is not some schizobabble, but a real task, whether you follow through with it and end up regressing to a state below where you began is only a result of your incomprehension and psychical composition. +>Muh Read Muh Read +Reading to Guénon is mere theoretical preparation, which is insignificant in light of actual initiating, and initiatic disclosure. There is no platonic tradition either, no rites, no mysteries. + +Guénon is not saying, read plato after so many millenia for some merely intellectual curiosity, he is saying Get initiated into the mysteries of Eleusis, you just don't seem to understand the difference between these things at all. +--- 21957841 +>>21957771 +>>21957783 +So what you're saying then is that if you feel bored of ordinary life, reading and taking Guénon seriously is a possible doorway to schizophrenia? +--- 21957843 +>>21957841 +Yes exactly right. +--- 21957853 +>>21957771 +>>21957783 +>nowhere does he reference Platonism +This is your brain on Traditionalism. +I never said he references Platonism, I said that his metaphysics is Platonic in nature, in that he assumes an higher metaphysical order informs reality. +You think that in order to do this, he must have read Plato, because his books gave you mental illness by making you think that the only way in which you can be philosophically aligned with something is by quoting him or directly referring to his philosophical tradition. + +Now even if Guenon wrote his books on Saturn, without ever knowing planet Earth and his traditions, as long as his metaphysics is philosophically compatible with Platonism, on this planet (Earth) we are allowed to refer to it as Platonism. +The only difference between what he does and actual Platonism what that, while Plato built arguments, Guenon thinks he's right because he builds a giant (methodologically unsound) philological research around ancient texts from various traditions saying that he's right. Whatever metaphysics he gets out of his magical hat you can only believe if you believe his interpretation of some other book, and this is problematic on two levels: + +1. The fact that a book states something never means that it is true, therefore it does not matter how much you interpret a book: by interpreting you can only say "what the book truly says", which is never and will never be the same as saying "how things truly are". When you interpret something, you make statements about the object you interpret (the book) not about the objects referenced by what you interpret (the states of affait the book claims to describe). +2. I have never met a Guenon reader who actually bothered reading any of the sources he quotes, and I can assure you that once you do (as I did) you either despair or laugh loudly at how wrong he is. But Guenon readers don't want to read, they want to be right, which is why the read Guenon, who validates absolute trite and banal points on traditional values and modes of existing, rather than his sources, which address life and existence in a complex way that requires actual study. They prefer reading interpretations of books than read books, i.e. they prefer playing with the idea that since someone said something then it must be right, instead of picking up some primary source, learn an ancient fucking language for once, read the fucking book and THINK ABOUT IT BY YOURSELF trying to see if it matches reality for you or not. +This is what a philosopher does. Otherwise you can keep being a philologist and enjoy your Dungeon & Dragons game with your friends. diff --git a/lit/21936988.txt b/lit/21936988.txt index 88e340f6131c31987f98971a8dd6c2e4a5132f38..bbfb773cf6d1a6aad4b2ee6b09b836c7bca62e28 100644 --- a/lit/21936988.txt +++ b/lit/21936988.txt @@ -339,3 +339,57 @@ Is there any latin language porn? --- 21953335 >>21937823 Miserable people are going to be miserable. All I can do is shrug and try to enjoy life. +--- 21953901 +>>21953168 +I was looking for Latin films a while back and one of the very few was essentially 70s gay porn +--- 21954186 +>>21952058 +This is the 3rd year of my degree, only in this year do you translate actual Greek, the rest was all Latin and other religions. +--- 21954432 +>>21952038 +It turns out that the Latin professor is a transgender"woman". It seems you are right about the classics becoming "woke". +I have become certain I want to study Assyriology or Egyptology, but can't decide between the two. All 3 ANE fields available to me (Egypt-, Assyriology and semitics) are of world class quality, including semesters abroad at Cambridge University or others leading university in the field. +What factors did you consider when choosing your field of study? +--- 21954552 +>>21952028 +Romance languages are more inflection-heavy which is makes them more similar to Greek. Latin is closer to Romance languages than English. Being bilingual in it with either two can only assist in unraveling one's understanding of texts. +--- 21954701 +>>21952315 +i love you my friend. +God bless you! +--- 21955420 +>>21954432 +>at Cambridge University +If you are not into woke classics, then you are an idiot for thinking going to this place is a good idea. Probably the most woke university in Europe. +--- 21955533 +>>21954432 +I'm curious how you found I was the one who posted the picture of Anne Mahoney and commented on your situation? Anyway, I did some digging, and I am 99% certain that Anne Mahoney isn't trans. I found her CV in the Internet Archive, and I looked up a 1983 paper she gave in mathematics (pic rel). Because the name listed is Anne Mahoney, and it hasn't been altered since then, it means that, if she is trans, she must have transitioned over 40 years ago. + +Since I don't know what university you study at, I can't comment on your particular situation, but being generally familiar with Classics, Semitics, and ANE in general, I might be able to help. First of all, Assyriology is a subset of Semitics. Akkadian, which Assyriology refers to, is a Semitic language. Even though there are departments that call themselves "The University X Department of Semitics", they do more than just Semitic languages, like Sumerian. At a university I am a non-degree seeking student at, there are people who teach Coptic in the Semitics department, even though it is Egyptian and not Semitic. I have a friend studying for a PhD at a premier ANE school. He came in knowing, in terms of ANE languages, Akkadian, Aramaic, Syriac, Ugaritic, Hebrew, and perhaps some minor Northwest Semitic dialects. I don't know all the languages he has learned / is learning since arriving at that university, but I know one of the requirements is Middle Egyptian. As a student who is primarily interested in Northwest Semitic, he has had the opportunity to learn all of those languages. All of this is to say that you probably don't have to pigeonhole yourself. +If you want to study Akkadian, it's usually recommended that you learn an easier Semitic language first, like Hebrew or Syriac. With an understanding of one Semitic language, you'll have a few cheat codes for Akkadian. If you want to study Egyptian, from what I understand you can jump right in. There is no expectation of prior language experience. For Coptic, I have seen places that require or strongly suggest prior experience with Koine. +>What factors did you consider when choosing your field of study? +I initially was studying science, and I dropped out of that major in the first semester. Then, I gradually fell into a deep depression. During that time, I took a class on ancient epic poetry. I really enjoyed the Epic of Gilgamesh, but I also enjoyed Homer and Vergil. I dropped out and later re-enrolled in school, and instead of studying something that would lead directly to a high paying job or even graduation, I decided to take classes I would enjoy. I wouldn't necessarily suggest simply doing what your passionate about. In fact, I would recommend choosing languages to study strategically. But that's I ended up where I am. +--- 21956395 +>>21955533 +The "woman" I was referring to was the lead latin professor at soon-to-be my university, not Anne Mahoney. It is a great coincidence that at both of our universities the Latin teacher is a troon. I did not realise it was you who posted that picture of that "woman" haha + +To give you a brief summary of the languages per specialty at my university for context +Assyriology: Cuneiform script, Akkadian, Sumerian and Hittite are all taught and of course history and culture. +Egyptology: Classic Egyptian, Middle Egyptian New Egyptian, Coptic, Hieroglyphs. +I am decently familiar with Latin, Koine. 3 other PIE languages I am fluent in. + +Would it be wisest to study the Cuneiform languages first in a formal setting? I suppose that quality study material will be more difficult to find than that of the Egyptian languages. Furthermore, Egyptian languages strike me as easier due to the linear progression from Classic Egyptian up till Coptic and the use of hieroglyphs +--- 21956697 +>>21953901 +What is it? +--- 21956844 +>>21956395 +>Would it be wisest to study the Cuneiform languages first in a formal setting? +Absolutely, definitely yes. Study cuneiform in a formal setting while you have the opportunity, if that's something that interests you, and it sounds like it does. You are correct about the relative abundance of Egyptian resources and the lack of cuneiform ones. You might want to consider Ugaritic as a stepping stone, but you might not have a particular interest or the time for it in. The same goes for Hebrew, which I mentioned earlier. Even so, I would imagine there are some non-Jewish (non-Semitic language knowing) freshman that study Akkadian from the get-go. Maybe, you know such people. +Since you bring up Coptic specifically, I will say I've heard one of my Greek profs rant a few times about how difficult Coptic is. He knows Greek, Latin, and Middle Egyptian, yet Coptic stumps him. I've met one person who says it's easy, and the other two Coptic knowers I know say it is very hard. Don't count on Coptic being easy, but it is easier to find Coptic classes and resources than Akkadian ones. +--- 21957278 +>>21953168 +depends on your definition +--- 21957402 +>>21956697 +Sebastiane diff --git a/lit/21944681.txt b/lit/21944681.txt index 22a3937bcfc0e8d69de4496a925676a1fcd09e26..d1efe00701d44cdb09a67516d6130a56fa3d7833 100644 --- a/lit/21944681.txt +++ b/lit/21944681.txt @@ -328,3 +328,114 @@ I don't know specifically but what I do know is this >Cap pens are underrated >Twist pens are classy >Click pens are shit +--- 21953937 +>>21953255 +>>21953222 +--- 21953941 +>>21944965 +apparently it's more healthy to write with fatter pens, see drawing tablet pens; everyone recommend fatter pens for long term us +--- 21954212 +>>21953255 +>>21953937 +Why is blue better than black? +--- 21954251 +>>21945056 +Only choice. +--- 21954271 +pencils are still better +--- 21954360 +>>21944681 (OP) +Uni-ball vision needle + +if I am feeling fancy I have a TWSBI Vac700-EF with sepia ink +--- 21954403 +>>21951981 +Depends on the kind of writing the person is doing. +Someone who is into calligraphy or penmanship and sees writing itself, as in the the aesthetic possibilities of putting letters on the page, as a art form of it's own might want a better tool for that pursuit then the cheapest thing they can get their hands on. +Those just using pen and paper as a means to the end of getting ideas out will probably only care that the pen works. +And different still will be someone's doing inking or line art. +And different yet again for someone doing the hand lettering and layout of something. + +Different tools for different goals. +Me personally I like a pen that plays nicely with water since the main time I use pen is to take field notes when hiking or volunteering at the trails. +--- 21954430 +>>21954271 +I love a good mechanic pencil as a primary workhorse but sometimes you just need to use a pen. +--- 21954433 +>>21953255 +Why? +--- 21954896 +>>21954212 +>>21954433 +There are two main reasons to use blue ink. +1. Blue ink stands out more against the page of black ink. It makes the signature clearly defined. +2. Blue ink will show that the copy is the original. The blue ink will show an original while basic copying will leave the signature black. +This is a basic point of order in life. Like knowing how to tie a tie, or tuck in a shirt. +--- 21954948 +>>21945056 +Ole' reliable. Used this thing on a fucking sailboat for a year and it still wrote. +>TFW my grandpa actually knew Biro and Bich and they both offered to work with him but he declined because he thought ballpoint pens were stupid +--- 21954970 +>>21944681 (OP) +Any other rOtring bros? +--- 21954981 +>>21953189 +Oh so you're American +--- 21955180 +absolutely fucking not funny bananas that nobody has said Papermate Flair +--- 21955898 +>>21954981 +No, I was born in London and lived in Palermo and Zurich as a child. I live in NYC now but am not a US citizen. +--- 21955940 +>>21953167 +>acktually im an aristocrat, we actually use sharpies to sign the checks for our rape baby orgies +--- 21955957 +how comes no one has posted caran d'ache 849 yet +--- 21957192 +This one +--- 21957314 +>>21944681 (OP) +this beauty +--- 21957345 +>>21944681 (OP) +last post best post and /thread +--- 21957525 +Lamy 2000 +--- 21957579 +Fuck every single B*c crystal enjoyer in this thread, they’re needlessly thin, break easily, and I cant even count how many times those fuckers used to explode and leak everywhere in my old school blazers. They should be banned. +--- 21957600 +This is probably the one I use the most right now. With faber-castell ink but most of my inks are Noodler's, various waterproof colors. There's a set named after Russian authors which is good. + +But writing is best done with a keyboard. Pens are beautiful and fun and I have like 10 on my desk right now. But they're best for limited, artistic, and deliberate use for pleasure. Writing huge quantities of text (and editing it over and over) is really a computer-based job. +--- 21957611 +>>21944681 (OP) +I have a selection of go-tos depending on (1) how much writing I intend to do and (2) what I'm writing on. + +The top one in picrel is a gel rollerball like the top one in OP's pic. I wish I could remember the brand I used to use in the UK (which looked identical to OP's) - it was sublime, but this 0.7mm from Pentel is a close second. + +Next up, the Mont Blanc - over-rated, scratchy, but seems to be very good with 100gsm / acid-free paper. + +The king, the one I always use for important or lengthy writing, is the Waterman. Very fine nib, but flows so smoothly, even after 30 years. + +The disposable V-Pen fountain pen is unbelievable - so smooth, with a fat nib, and cheap as chips. Highly recommend. + +Finally, I do like the Muji roller balls. This one here is a 0.5mm, but I also like the 0.38m. Some people prefer the 0.7mm variant, but those people are wrong. The only problem with the Mujis is that they are pretty pricey for what they are, and they do seem to fail sometimes - they are not a very durable pen, so you can get a scratchy/locked up tip. + +OP - what brand is that gel rollerball at the top of your pic? +--- 21957627 +>>21944986 +you need many more colors if you do notecard writing and filing and want (close to) a guarantee at contrasting colors in successive entries. even with the 20-30 colors i'm operating with it's not a lock +--- 21957642 +>>21957600 +Writing and editing are two very different processes, and you should perform them separately. With a word processor you too easily enter the doom loop of endless 'wrediting'. + +1. Write your compositions long-hand. + +2. Do the first one or two rough edits longhand too. + +3. Next, read your draft without a pen anywhere close to hand, so that you are forced to just READ. + +When you know you're going to need to transcribe everything to a word processor to finish the editing process, it helps to focus the mind and achieve the best and most succinct writing before you commence editing in earnest. The act of transcription also requires you to read the draft as a reader would, and you gain valuable insights into tempo, flow and unintended ambiguity (like picrel). +--- 21957651 +>>21944965 +No, it's dogshit to write with because the ballpoints are dogshit. It's not a pen for serious writers. You have no business using one of these unless you wear brown shorts to work and drive a truck with no door, or you're a shift foreman on a building site with a pocket protector and a moustache and secretly think of yourself as an intellectual. diff --git a/lit/21947134.txt b/lit/21947134.txt index 01f8172abf3ed2b372f62ce5187dadb796b8cdf5..9ed14e9a92f1de2d55e05638ad55fc34b7d729fe 100644 --- a/lit/21947134.txt +++ b/lit/21947134.txt @@ -228,3 +228,234 @@ Not a materialist btw. Because materialism is the midwits' kingdom and /lit/ is full of them, as is the nature of any public forum. Todays mascots of materialism, the Dennets and Dawkinses, display such a disregard for serious scholarship that one doesn't even know where to start critiquing their positions. They have caricaturesque ideas about religion, spiritual traditions and (non-analytic) philosophy, clearly lifted from shallow popular treatments. Same psychology is at work in a major part of /lit/izens who love the battleground action of defending strong opinions on books they never read and aren't even particularly interested in. +--- 21953806 +>>21947537 +Is /sci/ good for math? +--- 21953896 +Because there is only one metaphysics and that is naturalism. + +Spiritualism is ALL bull. +--- 21953915 +>>21947605 +>Needless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs. +Needless to say, even I am convinced that you are low iq and can't make a good argument for this without referring to an authority +--- 21953931 +>>21953636 +>Exact opposite is true. +A truly religious person would either be stuck in a semi-medieval shithole with no access to anything that matters, or confined to a mental hospital (try to suggest a crusade, see what happens). +And a lot of people who call themselves religious, are just larping. When they get sick, they go to a doctor, not a priest. They are materialist as fuck. +--- 21954027 +>>21953931 +>. When they get sick, they go to a doctor, not a priest. They are materialist as fuck. +It's one of my fondest wishes to snatch a few of these people, put them on lie detection tech and then later truth serum drugs, and have them explain to me why it is, honestly, that they persist in the religious utterances. +--- 21954035 +>>21953931 +>>21954027 +I feel like the non-materialists who inhabit /lit/ generally give a poor example of who they are supposed to represent. +--- 21954074 +>>21953735 +>the highest IQ country is 60% religious +atheistbros... we got humiliated again +--- 21954113 +>>21954074 +Buddhism confirmed as the big brain religion +--- 21954118 +>>21954074 +>>21954113 +Singapore also has some of the strictest anti hatespeech laws in the world and three times as many muslims as germany +*thinking emoji* +--- 21954135 +>>21947134 (OP) +>This program of self-destruction is now being programmatically advanced by American pseudo-phenomenologists such as Daniel Dennett, whose ‘heterophenomenology’ no longer even takes account of Husserl’s most basic phenomenological distinction - between phenomena as such and ‘objects’. Instead they confuse phenomena with objects co-posited as pre-given entities independent of consciousness - and then use such objects to ‘explain’ consciousness. This is the very opposite of phenomenology. It seems then, that Husserlian phenomenology, with its challenge to the unthought presuppositions of ‘The European Sciences’ – the ‘objective’ sciences - has now itself become an object of intellectual subversion by a reductionistic and scientological pseudo-phenomenology of consciousness. +oh no no no no +--- 21954141 +>>21953735 +>almost 100% of the correlation is due to Africa and Latin America +>soi atheists accidentally becoming race realist nazis in their attempt to own le christkeks +--- 21954160 +>>21954074 +>>21954118 +that special moment when anti-semitic and racist Christian (jew worshipping) Neo-Nazi is reduced to extolling Muslims for their High IQ as the only example of intelligent persons entertaining their jewish theology. +--- 21954178 +>>21954160 +>anti-semitic and racist +Israel's IQ is dragging down the IQ of its bracket +--- 21954220 +>>21954178 +i'm just pointing out the extreme paradox, my little friend. +--- 21954256 +>>21954141 +>spirituality is literally niggerism +--- 21955556 +>>21953634 +Thanks for your input, Shlomo. +--- 21955570 +>>21953735 +This shows nothing other than blacks are dumb lmaoooooo +--- 21955577 +>>21949352 +no u +--- 21955582 +>>21947134 (OP) +>you're either a materialist or a christcuck! +You guys know there are alternatives to materialism that dont rely on religion, right? +--- 21955594 +>>21955582 +and all of them are weak +--- 21955629 +>>21949683 +I have become really bored of philosophy of mind because the major issue of the field, whether consciousness is reducible to purely material states or not, only has solutions that rely on going back and forth with premises each side denies. People like Searle and Chalmers claim that conscious experience has actual content and is a legitimate point of data while people like Dennett claim its just an elaborate illusion that cannot be verified scientifically. Since Dennett won't accept any claim which cant be verified from a third person perspective, any kind of proof for the validity of conscious experience is impossible from his point of view by its very nature (consciousness is first person). At the same time any materialist explanation someone like Dennett gives to solve the hard problem of consciousness will just be denied as only giving a third person account of something that by its nature is first person. There is nothing left to do on either side but to retreat to your own preferred premises and circle jerk them. Its an interesting subject to read about at first but once you're familiar with the major positions it basically becomes an argument about theology. +--- 21955645 +>>21955594 +I think panpsychism has pretty solid arguments in its favour, at least if you accept that qualia actually exist. +--- 21955659 +>>21955645 +Every view has solid arguments in its favor. That's why you have to look at arguments for or against panpsychism. A big argument against panpsychism is that it's retarded and doesn't explain anything. + +That counts more than the arguments for it, which is that it doesn't have the problems associated with explaining how conscious beings are constructed out of non-conscious matter, but that's because it just sweeps that question under the rug and replaces it with a dumber one based on more dubious questions (why do conscious particles only constitute conscious composite objects some of the time?) + +Also panpsychism is explicitly a physicalist materialist program, so you're a moron who doesn't know anything about philosophy of mind. The whole panpsychist gambit is to say that actually conscious properties ARE the fundamental physical properties, so physicists have been studying consciousness this whole time weeheee we're not anti-psychicalists +--- 21955667 +>>21955659 +>why do conscious particles only constitute conscious composite objects some of the time?) +All particles are conscious. The actual question is why its "divided" into local parts. To explain this you need some kind of metaphysical framework +--- 21955686 +Why do people dismiss Dennet when he claims to be, essentially, a philosophical zombie? + +Why don't we just believe him? His entire worldview makes sense if he was born with some sort of brain deficiency or something, and he's completely unconscious. He just can't understand what subjective experience is like, because he has none. + +I believe him. +--- 21955709 +>>21955659 +>panpsychism is explicitly a physicalist +Not in the traditional sense its not. Panpsychists are arguing for something very different from traditional physicalists. You can play the semantics game and claim its actually "physicalist" because it makes consciousness a part of the physical world but the ontological implications of that are very different from those associated with traditional physicalism. Also, it doesn't "sweep" the problem of consciousness under the rug it posits it as a fundamental component of matter. That's like saying that we are sweeping the problem of gravity under the rug because we cannot explain where it comes from or why it exists. +--- 21955757 +>>21955659 +You have a warped view of panpsychism. Consciousness exists ALL OF THE TIME, it just exists at higher levels as complexity increases. According to a panpsychist even subatomic particles possess consciousness. I agree that how lower level consciousness combines to form discrete experience is a major problem for the viewpoint but this is a lot less problematic than conscious experience coming out of something which has literally none. + +Also calling panpsychism physicalism is a bit retarded. You and I both know its a radical departure from what we refer to when we talk about physicalism. If we take physical things to be anything that exists then the term becomes meaningless and basically any position in the philosophy of mind that posits that something exists is physicalist. +--- 21955793 +>>21955667 +I presupposed that all particles were conscious in the formation of my question. learn to read. + +>>21955709 +I didn't say it sweeps "the problem of consciousness" under the rug because i specified multiple problems for consciousness, including one that panpsychists are gleeful about not having to try and answer anymore, namely +>how conscious beings are constructed out of non-conscious matter +even though they're faced with a stupider version of the same question, +>why do conscious particles only constitute conscious composite objects some of the time +learn to read. + +>>21955757 +yyeah, talking about "levels of consciousness" is retarded. sorry. also if you don't like calling panpsychism physicalism you must hate panpsychists because thats like a core tenant of the project. + +I mean Goff is a russellian monist and russellian monism IS physicalism since everything that has mental properties has physical properties and vice versa +--- 21955797 +>>21955793 +>>why do conscious particles only constitute conscious composite objects some of the time +They dont only do it some of the time. The question is, once again, how precisely the division works. If a neocortical pattern is one such entity then the question is why and how its boundaries function. +--- 21955811 +>>21955797 +oh, so tables and chairs are conscious? i guess you disagree with all the leading panpsychists then +--- 21955819 +>>21955793 +>I mean Goff is a russellian monist and russellian monism IS physicalism since everything that has mental properties has physical properties and vice versa +This is stupid semantics. Yes, panpsychism is physicalist in the sense it supposes consciousness is a thing that exists in physical matter. Nonetheless, there is a huge ontological difference between what we normally call physicalism and panpsychism and I don't see a problem with referring to them as different positions. + +>yyeah, talking about "levels of consciousness" is retarded +I don't see how its any more retarded than hard emergence. +--- 21955822 +>>21947134 (OP) +because it's easier to understand something and explain it if you actually believe it exists +--- 21955844 +>>21955811 +The chair is made up of conscious entities. The chair itself is very unlikely to be a single such entity. It depends on what theory of synthesis you believe in +--- 21955850 +>>21955686 +Because non entities can’t have ideas of their own +--- 21955855 +>>21955844 +Yeah DUH. So now ask why the human body, also made up of conscious entities, is different, and turns out to in fact be conscious. Think long enough and you'll realize you're asking the same question everyone else has been for centuries, just bogged down with unhelpful premises. + +>>21955819 +ok, then "Hard emergence" is retarded too. Look at you, thinking like a philosopher. So proud of you Jason. +--- 21955880 +>>21955855 +>ok, then "Hard emergence" is retarded too. +Unless you are in favour of eliminativism it would seem that we are stuck between two retarded positions. +--- 21955900 +>>21955686 +But Dennett doesn't believe in p-zombies, or that he doesn't "experience qualia". His entire point is that "qualia" is a meaningless term. Hell, the entire point of the p-zombie is to defend idealism as a philosophical project, not as an actual serious neurological theory. + +This is because he does ironically suffer from a brain deficiency (he was born autistic and then got hit in the head, which apparently made him normal). +--- 21955916 +>>21955855 +>the human body, also made up of conscious entities, is different, and turns out to in fact be conscious. Th +What is concious is a pattern of electrical signals in the brain, presumably. And idk local cohesion of some sort? +--- 21955931 +There is one thing greater than consciousness. What do consciousness and unconsciousness have in common? + +Whatever you may be, you are still me. +--- 21955976 +>>21955855 +>Think long enough and you'll realize you're asking the same question everyone else has been for centuries, just bogged down with unhelpful premises +Its not really the same question, the framing of the ontology is different. If panpsychism is true, the thing we call consciousness is now an emergent property of some kind of proto-conscious property that lower entities possess. This makes it akin to how fundamental particles can create planets, even if the properties present in the planet is not present in the fundamental particles by looking at the interaction of all the different components that make up a planet starting from fundamental particles. For a panpsychist "consciousness" is the same as a fundamental particle. For a physicalist the question is how is conscious experience coming from something with no conscious experience whereas the question for a panpsychist is how does fundamental consciousness combine to create our consciousness. +--- 21955980 +>>21955976 +*starting from fundamental particles we can work our way up to the properties of the planet. +--- 21956020 +>>21955916 +wow thanks Karl Friston +--- 21956027 +>>21955976 +yes, so you have the same task, of explaining why shit bumping around inside the skull in the right patterns coincides with conciousness. but now you have a "different" ontology because you made a bunch of retarded assumptions instead of being able to approach the question with an open mind. lol so you got nowhere +--- 21956029 +>>21956020 +Not an argument +--- 21956034 +>>21955880 +OMG! Based on a bunch of preconceptions about the relationship between mind and world, I'm forced to choose between nonsensical elaborations of my pretheoretical commitments! Whatever will I do? Just choose a random one and defend it on 4chan? +--- 21956044 +>>21956029 +not an argument for or against what? I asked you a 'why' question and you started naming things you thought were conscious. Do you not speak english very well? +--- 21956117 +>>21947605 +>hallucination doesn't exist +--- 21956143 +>>21956027 +>yes, you have the same task +The way each view executes this task is distinct which is my entire point. Also dismissing a view because you find its metaphysics implausible seems pretty close minded to me :) +--- 21956191 +>>21955931 +You are me in the Brahman sense but in no other sense +--- 21956193 +>>21956034 +Why do you type like such a faggot? +--- 21956263 +>>21947134 (OP) +Because I care about what makes me feel good and what is useful. +--- 21956320 +>>21956191 +It was a riddle. It was not meant to be taken literally. +--- 21956981 +>>21956193 +blow me pussy +--- 21956982 +Hjb +--- 21956986 +what else does one have? +--- 21957147 +>>21953617 +>I don't understand what these guys mean +>Trying to draw a connection between verifiable phenomena and dependent subjective ones is the same as a fairy tale! +Great argument, you seem smart. +--- 21957201 +>>21953617 +> the phenomenon of qualia has some mundane "physical", whatever that word is supposed to even mean, explanation. +>pretending not to understand what the word physical means +O i am laffin +--- 21957232 +>>21956981 +Youd like that wouldnt you, gay boy +--- 21957263 +>>21947134 (OP) +Because of those schizos: >>21947605 diff --git a/lit/21948360.txt b/lit/21948360.txt index 8bbb9fe3f56b426be45534981f06b285d95fa31b..571a0f95c54c027233e75b1d6bf2eb58b2530b18 100644 --- a/lit/21948360.txt +++ b/lit/21948360.txt @@ -172,3 +172,36 @@ You clearly don’t understand the point I am making so I will explain it as sim >I was abusing intellectualism to cope with my own inferiority complexes and narcissism you still are Simple question, simple answer - What is better - a course that offers some Plato or one with none? +--- 21953798 +>>21952090 +So why not post it? +--- 21953810 +>>21953109 +Obviously neither are better or worse it all depends on other circumstances. A course that doesn’t teach any Plato is fine if everything else considered it teaches the student something valuable they will retain. Similarly an overview of philosophy or introduction to Plato is okay provided it’s presented well. The problem with the great books format is the framing and culture around it. It’s a total farce an ill conceived catholic reaction against mainstream secular education. Everything about it seems artificial and ultimately about appearances. This isn’t to say mainstream college education is good it isn’t but no university I’ve ever seen would present itself as teaching students the entire classical Greek cannon in freshman year because that’s ridiculous. Students won’t learn anything but the most surface level names and claims if that. These people are paying tens of thousands of dollars for the idea of something not anything with actual substance. It’s like something a person who never went to school imagines college to be. +--- 21954857 +>>21948444 +>No Epic of Gilgamesh +>studying Plato and Aristotle before pre-Socratics +>studying Plato and Aristotle out of order +>studying Aquinas before Augustine and Avicenna + +How difficult is to teach the western canon by CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER? Every work including the Bible has been influenced by previous works and this can be traced back to the beginning of literature therefore you should start at the beginning. It's not rocket science. +--- 21954956 +>>21954857 +This +>No Epic of Gigamesh before the Bible + +ngmi +--- 21955423 +>>21948370 +>no xenophon +Trash +--- 21956896 +>>21948370 +Way too much filler +--- 21956914 +>>21948360 (OP) +Marcus Aurelius was a hottie, unless the beard is hiding something. I can see it for Horace too. +--- 21957547 +>>21951094 +that's a major issue because academia hasn't produced a modicum of worthy information and wisdom in over five decades. diff --git a/lit/21948384.txt b/lit/21948384.txt index 135c77a9301f19fde117c817e6efc2b63234274d..b4d824b63c5f70ed9fee44bf3313f5aeb6cfbc81 100644 --- a/lit/21948384.txt +++ b/lit/21948384.txt @@ -409,3 +409,137 @@ So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. since i'm a christcuck, i LOVE stories about beastiality, incest, descriptions of genitalia, you name it! --- 21953590 Jew thread +--- 21953909 +>>21953590 +tranny post +--- 21953949 +>Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: But I will maintain mine own ways before him. +them's fightin' words +--- 21954168 +>>21951264 +I read the entire Bible cover to cover. +It's a terrible idea. +this anon >>21951924 is correct. +--- 21954176 +>>21954168 +I should probably be more helpful and say +Read the New Testament first. Then go through the historic Old Testament books like Genesis, Exodus, Kings, Daniel, etc and whenever you're getting a little tired of the history lessons read some the poetry, flowery stuff and advice like Psalms, Proverbs, Songs of Solomon, etc +--- 21954193 +>As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” +>“Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him." +Always gives me hope in dark times when bad things are happening to me. +--- 21954196 +>>21954193 +I dont get it. +--- 21954289 +But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ! + +18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. + + +and + + +7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. + +8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. + +9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. +--- 21954301 +>>21952143 +someone's been reading stranger in a strange land +--- 21954407 +>For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. +John 3:16 +>What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? +He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things? +Romans 8:31 +--- 21954538 +>>21953578 +There's one interpretation of the crime Ham committed that when he gazed upon his father's nakedness it actually refers to Noah's wife with then implying that Canaan is Ham's son hence his curse +--- 21954713 +Am I the only one actually motivated by Job 7:1? + +> militia est vita hominis super terram et sicut dies mercennarii dies ejus +--- 21954734 +Ezekiel 37: + +1 The hand of the Lord was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the Lord, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones, 2 and caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. 3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest. + +4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. 5 Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: 6 and I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord. + +7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. 8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. 9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army. + +11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. 12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14 and shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord. +--- 21954775 +>The Lord is near to the broken-hearted, and saves the crushed in spirit. +--- 21955110 +>>21951997 +Do not read any king james heretic bible. THanks. +--- 21955126 +>>21952220 +No, it is not good at all. + + +For a trad Cath. + + +And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord. +And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. +Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. +Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name. +And his mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him. +He hath shewed might in his arm: he hath scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart. +He hath put down the mighty from their seat, and hath exalted the humble. +He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. +He hath received Israel his servant, being mindful of his mercy: +As he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his seed for ever. +--- 21955277 +>>21955126 +not him but it's better than the douay rheims and I say this as a Catholic. I can forgive them for using the MT and not the LXX because something like the Psalms are the most beautiful written things in the English language, no other version comes close +--- 21955281 +Corinthians 13 is the most beautiful writing in this world +--- 21955296 +>>21953578 +Cry more you fuckin atheist cocksucker +--- 21955324 +>>21955281 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX32Aj-5OVo&t=1m26s [Embed] +I love this. This has done more to make me consider faith than 15 years of religion classes in school and weekly sunday masses until I was 12 +--- 21955413 +>>21948384 (OP) +--- 21956375 +>>21954196 +When bad things happen in life (bad things beyond our control), this isn't because God hates us or is punishing us. It's so that the works of God may be displayed in us. God will make things better. We just need to have faith as the blind man did and God will bless us for enduring our hardships +--- 21956580 +>>21954713 +Awesome. +--- 21956660 +>>21955413 +favorite verse right there. +--- 21956675 +>As for man, his days are as grass: as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth. For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no more. But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children - Psalm 102 (103): 15-17 + +Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in the Lord his God - Psalm 145 (146): 3-5 +--- 21956695 +>>21948384 (OP) +>>21948388 +fuckin gay, this entire thread and all these "amazing" verses, you'd have to be a churchgoer to let these MCU tier lines affect you +--- 21956739 +And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of the LORD came, saying, Israel shall be thy name: and with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD: and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed. And he put the wood in order, and cut the bullock in pieces, and laid him on the wood, and said, Fill four barrels with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice, and on the wood. And he said, Do it the second time. And they did it the second time. And he said, Do it the third time. And they did it the third time. And the water ran round about the altar; and he filled the trench also with water. And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word. Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again. Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench. And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God. And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there. And Elijah said unto Ahab, Get thee up, eat and drink; for there is a sound of abundance of rain. + +1 Kings 18:31-41 +--- 21956748 +>>21956695 +if they're MCU tier but 2000+ years before MCU then what does that tell you +--- 21956765 +>>21956695 +I pity you and all who are like you. God have mercy on you and all your ilk. +--- 21956786 +>>21956765 +>if you have tear, me wipe tears, welcome to heaven palace fren +wowwwwwwwww +--- 21957758 +>>21956786 +>>21956695 +your dilation is overdue discord cuck diff --git a/lit/21949304.txt b/lit/21949304.txt index a6c7e4b1060ffb024fddbf06095b009685143c0c..f401032c9ed16c02d82a891b7a1ebd3ff96267fe 100644 --- a/lit/21949304.txt +++ b/lit/21949304.txt @@ -39,3 +39,22 @@ Boy howdy, litRPGs are really good for word/page count filler aren't they? --- 21953302 >>21949304 (OP) How much do I have to wait until AI will generate porn images of real historical female figures? +--- 21953964 +>>21949305 +<3 +--- 21954026 +>>21953302 +Well you could just feed Stable Diffusion15-30 images of the person you want to train, you can do this locally by using Lora's or Hypernetwork's, I don't play with RL Models just Weeb Models but I replicated a Character from an Anime I liked and the Lora managed to keep it's style only trained with 15 images. So nothing is really stopping you there's already a bunch of AI porn models out there to get you started. +--- 21954029 +>>21952183 +I wouldnt worry about it +--- 21954134 +>>21954026 +I don't have a PC and I don't think I can do it with my phone. +--- 21955356 +>>21949304 (OP) +Venetian Blinds +--- 21956060 +>>21949304 (OP) +>>21949304 (OP) +I can't, however, here in Argentina a guy named Jorge Carrión co-wrote a book with GPT-2 and 3. That's the closest I got diff --git a/lit/21949531.txt b/lit/21949531.txt index c233c320e5b7deebbf48bd3963594202276a109e..e4268b563f0078a37a329e318345e98dfce24dda 100644 --- a/lit/21949531.txt +++ b/lit/21949531.txt @@ -113,3 +113,37 @@ not WW1, but a good book >/lit/ contrarians will deny this because too mainstream --- 21953656 the war parts of War and Peace +--- 21954034 +Read Thucydides and Livy + +/thread +--- 21954550 +>>21952944 +Yeah you can't get it anywhere because /pol/ faggots love this book, so it naturally got kicked out of print. Sucks, because it is one of the most unique war books I have ever read. +--- 21954558 +>>21953277 +I've been posting in /k/ about it. So if you see somebody posting FFL related shit there, you know it's me. I'm planning on going sometime next year after I get my Associates degree. +--- 21954891 +I enjoyed this book. A russian journalist gets drafted for the 1st chechen war, writes about it, and voluntarily enlists foe the 2nd. Pretty good, gruesome shit. Makes me glad I wasnt there. +--- 21954898 +For comedy, Catch-22. +--- 21956253 +>>21954891 +I've heard amazing things about this book basically being the post Cold War version of All Quiet on the Western Front, and funny enough I actually learned about it from that Chechen War shitpost. Been on my list for a while and I'm glad somebody else remembered. +--- 21956310 +>>21949531 (OP) +Knights Under the Prophets Banner. It was Zawahiri's autobiography written before he took over Al-Qaeda. It recounts his student years, his involvement in a revolution attempt in Egypt, the Sadat assasination, prison torture and eventually his involvement with Al-Qaeda. Another good one is Southside Provisional by Kieran Conway, a senior figure in the Provisional IRA and it's intelligence department responsible for the bombing campaign in England. Then we have Che's diaries, which are always fun to read if you can get your hands on them. I love guerrilla literature because it's an experience of war that's fundamentally different from the uniformed soldier. For one, the experience of having to hide in the civilian population, staying underground, maintaining fake identities and having no genuinely safe place to gather openly, living in constant fear of a SWAT team kicking down your door or a death squad annihilating your family. It makes you wonder, why would anyone willingly choose that kind of life? +--- 21956379 +>>21956310 +Holy shit that's awesome. Premise reminds me a lot of Vo Nguyen Giap's Military Art of People's War. Definitely putting that on the list. +--- 21956964 +>>21954891 +A great book. +--- 21957010 +best gulf war literature in pic related +--- 21957375 +>>21949576 +I hated it +--- 21957376 +>>21957010 +Based and Fedpilled. diff --git a/lit/21949579.txt b/lit/21949579.txt index f53a602f90ae54104d2cc22f14191be205327dbe..ccd9fd907caf8a5f566c3f6e9c83743be64d11c9 100644 --- a/lit/21949579.txt +++ b/lit/21949579.txt @@ -244,3 +244,247 @@ I've never seen a successfull randist. No, 2000 karma on r/atheism isn't success --- 21953770 >>21953654 There is literally a single type of successful randians - nouveau riche dipshits who lucked out into their petty wealth and then need to retroactively invent a belief why they deserve it. All serious people are some sort of weird combination of technocrats and ecofascists, or even marxists who turn the table and say "capital is good, actually". +--- 21953977 +>>21953654 +Its same as saying i have never seen a succsessfull communist. +--- 21953992 +>>21953977 +Yes it shouldn't need to be said considering how retarded both are but here we are +--- 21954014 +Should I start with AS or Fountainhead? +--- 21954053 +>>21954014 +Start with Funtainhead. I read Atlas first and am about to finish Fountainhead today. I think foubtainhead might be the better book overall. Atlas is taking place all over the world, while Fountainhead is USA only. Start with the "smaller" book. Its fucking great, dont let the parasites discourage you. +--- 21954066 +>>21949579 (OP) +I still like Anthem, but after high school and I decided to do more psychedelics. I feel like I was less empathetic and wound up gaining that. Now I'm a commie SJW desu +--- 21954071 +Arguing about Ayn Rand is the oldest and most authentic form of internet culture. Glad to see it is still alive. +--- 21954101 +>>21950078 +>>21950026 +>>21951935 +>>21952517 +It's sad to see you seethe at people who want a better world. Private property is a plague from white people. We come from nothing, are nothing, and return to nothing. There is no need to own property in this transitory existence. It's your own selfish egos who do not want to help your kin +--- 21954105 +>>21954101 +>Private property is a plague from white people. +Is this a cope for you shitskins and ur failures as a civilisation? +--- 21954112 +>>21953156 +Stop sucking leech cock +Stop acting like landlords are here to help +They take your money and do fuck all on the property you live on with it +There's enough land to live on, but wealth hoarders would rather claim it as their own then give people means to live +--- 21954114 +>>21954105 +Every indigenous or spiritual culture understands that we are of the earth and its bounty should be shared. Inbred kings and queens want to stuff their faces and coffers while people suffer +--- 21954124 +>>21954112 +>Thinks he is entitled to someone elses property for free which they paid and worked for. +>Calls someone else a leech. +Again, get a job nigger. And learn to handle ur finance better so u can actually buy ur own property. +>>21954114 +Which is why those indigenous people or spiritual culture live up to 30-40 years old before they die to some disease or starvation. You are using a device that was created on private property by a white man little shitskin hypocrite. If you dont like it why dont you go back to using smoke signals to communicate like those cultures used to. +--- 21954153 +>>21952676 +>Go tell your mommy you thick skinned rugged individualist, kek +Don't really need to read more then that to figure out it's a waste of time communicating with someone so childish and antagonistic. +How about you deal with what your issues are and grow up a little before trying to have grown up conversations. +--- 21954163 +>>21952798 +By all definitions of the word it isn't a commun. You're confusing commune for intentional community. All communes are intentionally communities but not all intentionally communities are communes. +--- 21954171 +Radical individualism since the 80's has destroyed the west +--- 21954179 +>>21954171 +You wanna blame someone for individualism then the 80s is the wrong year, that shit started with the french revolution. +--- 21954197 +>>21954179 +nah, the type of individualism that fuelled neoliberalism became mainstream and tangible in the 80's. You can trace its ideological roots back in time, but it was in the 80's that it became a dominant ideology. +--- 21954204 +>>21954101 +>>21954114 +You are talking out your ass. +There are plenty of examples of Asian, middle Eastern, and even African civilizations that had the concept of private property. It's just that those rights were subject to the truth objective law of might, which is part of the reason Rand was in favor of something akin to a night watchman state that defended it's citizens property rights against invaders or strongmen military dictators declaring themselves kings. + +Even simple tribes that didn't have strong personal property rights had extreme strong tribal and clan property rights that they would war with other clans and tribes nearly constantly and extremely brutally over. +--- 21954205 +>>21949579 (OP) +Why do brainlets shill Rand so much instead of an at least somewhat respectable libertarian like Nozick? +--- 21954449 +>>21954205 +Because this board favors things that count as literature and Rand created relatively popular narrative books that got mainstream attention that also explained in detail her particular philosophy. +Nozick didn't and is more obscure as a result. +--- 21954466 +>>21950026 +“The government causes every ill of capitalism” is the right wing equivalent of “that wasnt real communism” +--- 21954506 +>>21954466 +>right wing +>right wing +>right wing +Libertarians are literally liberals, anon. +--- 21954511 +>>21954466 +none of you retards even know what capitalism even is +you think modern economies, with fiat currencies and central banks, where the government is the biggest employer, is capitalism? + +we are already living in communism +>centrally planned, collectively owned, monopolistic, government backed zombie corporations +>who do not even have any products in the marketplace, but exist thanks to tax subsidies and government contracts +modern corporations are exact fucking same as soviet bureaus and 'peoples department of', whole 'tech' sector like apple and google are the same old soviet 'national department of propaganda' equivalent +they exist because of government regulations, not because mom and dad shops and small business got promoted by the market +there is no market, we live in a socialist economy dominated by government departments larping as pseudo corporations +just like in soviet times where average prole was broke and the only way to advance was to marry into politburo/central committee, you cant start a business in our economy without being backed by the government +--- 21954517 +>>21954511 +>we are already living in communism +I refuse to believe there are people who sincerely think this +--- 21954541 +>>21954517 +modern corporations are communism, there is a reason you cant respond with arguments instead of ad hominem to this +>centrally planned +>collectively owned (bitch you werent going to be the politburo central planner in communism either) +>monopolistic +>virtually the same as the government because of all the lobbying and interconnections +>incompetent because they do not compete in free market +>have zero connections to any kind of market at all +>exist thanks to tax subsidies and government contracts +>their only 'product' is shadow banning, censoring and political pandering, not physical marketplace products, they are fucking politicians + +we live in the fucking communism with different symbols +'communist china' on the other hand has less regulations and better ease of doing business +imagine having 80 iq and being confused by the fucking symbols, its as if i called my horse ferrari, jesus christ look at the thing for what it is +--- 21954568 +>>21954541 +>we live in the fucking communism with different symbols +Based Marx was right as always. +--- 21954606 +>>21954205 +Rand not only couches her though in classical subject-predicate logic, but her philosophy is contingent on it. Its all very Greek/Scholastic. Atheistic Thomism. So it doesn't require a "conversation" with the entire body of western thought to be intelligible, it simply proceeds from its axioms in a simple "if X then Y" fashion that anyone can pick up. + +She was the last Greek. +--- 21954640 +>>21954171 +The eighties were the last based decade though (including the capitalism). I don't know what you're talking about. Social programs (for example, the ones that lead to an increase in the cost of college and a decrease in the quality of students matriculating there) are the REAL devils here. +--- 21954682 +>>21954114 +>le noble savage + +honestly how is this still a thing? +--- 21954703 +>>21952558 +'The only recourse of the Marxists consists of saying that the delays are simply longer than was imagined and that one day, far away in the future, the end will justify all'. +--- 21954707 +>>21954101 +>It's sad to see you seethe at people who want a better world. +Never trust people who want a “better” world. +--- 21954708 +>>21954197 +>hippies were neo-liberals +Really activates my almonds. +--- 21954714 +>>21954568 +>Based Marx was right as always. +'...without drawing the conclusions, as Marx does, that the German rebellion against Napoleon is explained only by the lack of sugar and coffee'. +--- 21954784 +>>21954703 +Historical process is unjustifiable - it unfolds regardless of cultural superstructure that it is a product of it's own events. +--- 21956158 +>>21954101 +Private property is the only thing keeping white people from being wiped out by giant feral hordes of not-white hominids. +--- 21956180 +>>21956158 +It's unfair to nonwhite people to lump them in with anti private property c*mmunists. Most of them are not that retarded +--- 21956183 +>>21954707 +this. +Amazing how the ones talking about a "better world" are also the last one to die for that cause. +--- 21956203 +>>21956180 +Most of them have socialist countries because they have been that retarded for 100 years and refuse to get onto the private-property-civilization train. They keep electing socialists and demanding more and more material stuff. +--- 21956206 +>>21956183 +Because they want to live in the better world someone else made for them. They're not interested in making it better for "others" they claim to be fighting for. They're the others. We fight for them. +--- 21956228 +>>21956203 +This is unironically in large part the fault of NATO though. Look I'm not saying their forms of governance are usually very good but they arent the ones who came up with communism and social democracy and similar memes. The only truly right wing(sort of) governments in existence today are the arab monarchies +--- 21956235 +>>21949579 (OP) +You are either putting the boots to others to live a better/easier life +>or others WILL put the boots to you +I'm 44 and if life has taught me anything, it is to be greedy and to be as selfish as possible. Don't think for a second that altruism will buy you any favours with people. All you need to do is pretend and that's good enough for 99.99% of people who will simply admire you for being rich, no matter how you got the money. Feed toddlers into a woodchipper to be a millionaire? Literally would not stop a single roastie from blowing you in your Mercedes. +--- 21956238 +>>21956206 +How is this any different then "fighting for billionares and bussiness"? hell at least they give me the services I ask for +--- 21956251 +>>21954517 +he has a point...No modern classic liberal is pro big bussiness, unless that big bussiness is alive thanks to actually innovating +--- 21956264 +>>21956251 +>big 'business' is actually the government, that's what makes this business big, its the government +>retards keep calling this government intervention "capitalism" +how do i reach these kids? +--- 21956273 +last time we had capitalism was at cowboy frontiers and medieval free cities and merchant republics in europe +modern economy is dominated by the big business, and big business is big because of the government meddling + +unskilled, unemployable zoomzooms who bash capitalism dont understand that its not the capitalism that is making them poor, its the mixture of government monopolies (aka big business, lobbying, tax subsidies, govt contracts) that have historically only created famines and gulags +and the second thing that makes the poors poor these days is that not even these poors would hire themselves to do any job because they are so unproductive and unskilled +--- 21956288 +>>21956273 +You forget to mention how a house should not be 1+ million dollars. It is all 100% fake and gay slavery by design. NOT capitalism. +--- 21956297 +>>21956273 +It's the combination of retarded regulation, idiotic lending, and currency debasement. An entire clusterfuck of fraud and dysfunction +--- 21956307 +>>21956288 +if we had capitalism, you could just buy the fucking land +whatever the fuck you do on said land is your business +if you want to build housing because there is astronomic demand, you could +but no... we dont have fucking capitalism +we have communistic, centrally planned, collectively owned by 1% (politburo was 1% too), monopolistic, incompetent (because it does not compete, its monopolistic, people still dont get it) big business corporations + +we have to show to these kids that corporations are communism because big business corporations are just government monopolies (communism in action) +--- 21956319 +>>21956307 +Yes, it is all fake, gay, and supported by the boomers who profit from mass immigration and the class war. The young of today have it SO MUCH WORSE than I did, and I was only born in 1978. I had it SO good growing up. After 2008 things started getting fucked, after COVID Canada is like a different fucking planet. +--- 21956467 +>not a communist +>hate the exploitative systems of power in the workplace and the corporate fatcats getting massive paychecks off the labour of the proletariat +>also contribute to this system because I need dosh +How am I supposed to reconcile these conflicting points +--- 21956550 +>>21956467 +Vote RFK Jr +--- 21956551 +>>21949579 (OP) +Interestingly enough, the thing that Rand always got the most flak for was her cartoonishly evil villains who just wanted to make life worse for everyone purely out of spite, and it ended up being one of the truest depiction of what American leftists are in the current decade. +--- 21956587 +>>21956273 +>>21956251 +so what would actual classical liberalism actually look like in practice, then, if it is not pro big business? +--- 21956594 +>>21956587 +1830s America perhaps +--- 21956768 +>>21954703 +>longer than was imagined +it were said from the beginning +you are only confirm lack of any idea of subject +--- 21957154 +>>21956768 +How long? +--- 21957187 +>>21956551 +That's a very good observation and it's why people flock to her philosophy. They see the truth in how humans really are... they're just evil and cruel. +--- 21957604 +>>21949579 (OP) +it's meant to be read like the talmud. you're supposed to be either jewish, or killed if a gentile. +--- 21957719 +>>21954071 +Glad I read it recently so I can see when people give dumb arguments for and against the book. Kind of messed up that this shit has been going on for so long though. The book's end is actual dog water. However, I did enjoy the book overall +--- 21957847 +>>21954101 +Lol smoke some more crack you fucking idiot diff --git a/lit/21949606.txt b/lit/21949606.txt index 440215feef418aed5588dbe1c9825d81be48a1c6..612b916fad35c4c75e57d79a0620b56a881f50fc 100644 --- a/lit/21949606.txt +++ b/lit/21949606.txt @@ -381,3 +381,126 @@ Then again the original egg intensive diet was from Gironda, who I'm quite sure --- 21953211 >>21949606 (OP) One of the best bait threads ive seen +--- 21953983 +>>21950165 +/thread +--- 21954016 +>>21949628 +Yes. +--- 21954166 +>>21949664 +>you faggots are all dishonest actors +>gets filtered by Lolita +kek +kmao even +--- 21954185 +>>21954016 +ebin +--- 21954190 +eternal reminder +--- 21954239 +>>21949606 (OP) +Holy shit how can one fat Russian émigré be so based? +--- 21954337 +>>21949606 (OP) +Cave men would have grabbed Lolita by the hair and fucked a baby in her within an hour of making her acquaintance, whether she wanted it or not. +--- 21954339 +>>21949664 + +Go back to the bible you moron. +--- 21954350 +>>21952911 +??? That talks about fags +>inb4 they are the same +I need something way clearer chief +--- 21954732 +>>21950455 +>y-y-YOU ONLY FEEL THIS WAY C-CAUSE YOU WERE RAPED!! +lol +You know anon not everyone on this planet lives with a definition of +>”self” +Defined by their individual husk right?? +>>21950468 +>muh Mary was 13 +Yes anon do I’ve heard +And Jesus was black +And he wasn’t born in the winter +And there are no historical records of him (except for the ones that show was a “false messiah” some how) +And also he was just the product of ancient aliens spearing to humans in 30 bc cause muh heckin science +Saw it on the history channel +Must be true +>>21950490 +>y-y-YOUR RETARDED!!! +lol +--- 21954733 +>>21951415 +>>>>>>>>a fucking plant native to North America was used in europe for most of European history +Fucking lel +--- 21954740 +>>21951529 +>>21951656 +>>21951667 +>>21951687 +>Y-YOUR FUCKING DUMB! +>YOU DONT GET IT +>>H-HES AXSHAULLY A BASED PEDO WRITER!! +>>FUCK U!!! +All of you are failed experiments of evolution +And all of your genes will be purged from nature in due time +--- 21954748 +Lolita is the most beautiful book I have ever read +--- 21954750 +>>21952669 +>Fuckin lol +>his humor was so le based and le edgy and totally ironic you dumb CHUDS!! +If this seriously the line you want to go with the book is the literal equivilant of a dead baby joke and everyone who likes it the equivilant of the middle schoolers who laugh at that shit +--- 21954759 +>>21954337 +If any did they would have been ripped the fuck apart and probably eaten after roasters over a spit by the girls father +That’s the problem with pedo fags +They appeal to +>”muh state of nature” +Yet never have the balls to accept the rights to “unjustified” violence that comes with it +--- 21954762 +>>21954326 +Equivilant logic of saying fucking a trap that “passes” isn’t gay +--- 21954833 +>>21954740 +>of your genes will be purged +Anon, if someone gets a 14 yo pregnant he would probably have a better offspring than someone that got a 25 yo inseminated, don't kid yourself +--- 21954841 +>>21954759 +>f any did they would have been ripped the fuck apart +>kill parents +>take their children +>fast forward a millenium +>some celts raid a village, kill people and get the children +>fast forward a couple of centuries +>NOOOOOOOOOOOO REDDIT SAID YOU CAN'T DO THAT +--- 21955213 +>>21950296 +we have to go back +--- 21955255 +>>21949628 +Henry vII of England's mother was a child when she gave birth to him. +Saint elizabeth of hungary was also very young when she was pregnant. +Pedophilia was not illegal in the middle ages. +--- 21955309 +>monarchy +>cunny +>legal authority of husband +... +>democracy +>wrinkly smelly girlbosses +>they can ruin your life for looking at them wrong +huh +--- 21956046 +>>21954740 +>Pedo writer +If you think that a person who writes a character with certain traits, must mean the author has those traits personally, you are confirmed retarded. As in, "what would you have felt like if you hadn't had breakfast yesterday" retarded. People can explore points of view in fictional characters without adopting those world views. Smarten up or shut up, you're shitting up this board. +--- 21956795 +>>21949664 +Low effort Glowposter spotted +--- 21957230 +>>21954759 +Trad larping pedo niggers are the right wing equivalent of "Greece was basically san francisco bro." diff --git a/lit/21949907.txt b/lit/21949907.txt index d1a3e153dfd7787bdd5d1bbe1879332229b1bdb2..2bacd4ba292b5fe9a5c1353d09a0dbf0e8658d7c 100644 --- a/lit/21949907.txt +++ b/lit/21949907.txt @@ -150,3 +150,33 @@ how do you even check that you're the right level of socialized --- 21953621 >>21951042 what's the point of so many people living and writing before me if i can't even get some precise guidelines for my exact situation which shouldn't even be that unique +--- 21953903 +>>21951042 +>pick one +Cattle mindset. Why would one even accept your shitty terms. I make my own questions and my own options +--- 21953939 +>>21949907 (OP) +Society of the spectacle by Guy Debord. Gives an articulate account of anti-consumeris. + +Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky, the book is too long so just watch the documentary + +Case studies in repression of intellectual decent (1971 iirc). Shows examples where state and private interests shutdown wrong think in academia. + +Don't have to be a commie or an anarchist for the first two btw, i'm not either but they still make good points. +--- 21953993 +>>21951330 +Jean-Jacques Rousseau +--- 21954328 +Where's The Right to be Lazy? +--- 21954331 +>>21950979 +Juliette +--- 21955382 +>>21952168 +Just read it its available online for free on his site. It's a straightforward framework and an easy read. +--- 21957017 +>>21949907 (OP) +Science's First Mistake +and +From Dawn To Decadence: +>I do not expect the reader to be steadily grateful. Nobody likes to hear a rooted opinion challenged, and even less to see good reasons offered for a principle or policy once in force and now universally condemned—for example, the divine right of kings or religious persecution. Our age is so tolerant, so broad-minded and disinclined to violence in its ideologies, that to find a case made out for the temper of the 16th or 17th century is bound to affront the righteous. Yet without exposure to this annoyance, one's understanding of our modern thoughts and virtues is incomplete. diff --git a/lit/21950245.txt b/lit/21950245.txt index 7079b8112e578e021f72e7c1ce68fb86c5b3b37d..d0860e23dc407c6f4ae206da4be95663b30f0c8f 100644 --- a/lit/21950245.txt +++ b/lit/21950245.txt @@ -19,3 +19,17 @@ And? Are you that same Scottish fella that´s obsessed with mentioning this on e --- 21953706 >>21952125 Asf +--- 21954346 +>>21953388 +Struck a nerve? +--- 21955396 +>>21950245 (OP) +There are three or four charts of this kind in the wiki. You have to dig deep into that origin section. +--- 21955409 +>>21950245 (OP) +I hate Irish "literature" so much bros +--- 21955428 +>>21950245 (OP) +--- 21956517 +>>21955396 +Thanks bro diff --git a/lit/21950333.txt b/lit/21950333.txt index 5477dd52ed93a6c9b609d33b3bd4013608e3892c..9cd0163b18040f8a5728611c35469d51f0b6a102 100644 --- a/lit/21950333.txt +++ b/lit/21950333.txt @@ -544,3 +544,712 @@ I hate how basic the stormlight books are and how popular they are --- 21953663 >>21952267 isnt this haram in islam nation? +--- 21953809 +>>21951945 +It's fun, jus expect generally shitty prose +The second era is pretty different, more industrial age cops and secret organizations than magic noblemen and tyrants, but still pretty cool +--- 21953913 +>>21953663 +no, the quran allows you to show depictions of elric +--- 21953981 +Why haven't you written your own fantasy novel yet, Anon? +--- 21953986 +>>21953981 +For the same reason I haven't recorded any music, hand built my own guitars, made my own videogames +Lots of ideas, zero drive +--- 21954000 +>>21953981 +Because my shitty writing skills are not good enough to express the ideas in my head. +--- 21954006 +>>21954000 +that didn't stop jk rowling and she's almost a billionaire +--- 21954015 +/sffg/, it's the last day for BookDepository, they're shutting it down tomorrow. I already got 25 different books last week from it, anything else essential you'd recommend? +--- 21954020 +>>21954015 +there are other ways to buy books you clown +--- 21954036 +>>21953981 +I'm working on it, still coming to grips with the fact that it will be severely underappreciated in my lifetime but that's okay +It's going to be one of the greatest novels the genre has ever seen, not just a great fantasy novel but a great novel in general +--- 21954039 +>>21954020 +BD was good for me because I live in Serbia and when I ordered books from them I was never charged shipping or any extra taxes, regardless of how much book I ordered at once. Obviously, I will now have to find different online stores that offer the same, but I'm not holding my breath. +--- 21954045 +>>21951167 +Coming from the guy who used three +--- 21954048 +>>21950610 +I'd almost say Lord of the Mysteries but honestly it doesn't do the vibe of gaslamp very well and is more like a take on the nobility at the time. +I recall one of the "Infinity Genre" (one overarching world plot, multiple smaller genre world visits) chinese novels had a very good one of those, but it only went on for like two hundred chapters before it went back to other stuff. Carefree Path of Dreams I think it was? +--- 21954055 +>>21951055 +I thought Mysteries 2 was only up to chapter 96 so far? +--- 21954057 +>>21951190 +You fucking fool. You fucking idiot. You stinking moron. The Greeks rode to battle on the fucking back of Dinosaurs, and when not at war lived harmoniously side by side with them. + +It's literally the reason the Greeks invented the word "DINOTOPIA" you necessary suicide. +--- 21954069 +>>21954057 +Hand stained with maple syrup wrote this post. +--- 21954073 +How are the Folio Society editions of the Book of the New Sun? +--- 21954079 +>>21954073 +Expensive and tasteless, as usual. +--- 21954082 +>>21954079 +Really? I have no experience with Folio editions of any books, I was just looking up some BOTNS hardcover editions and came across those. +--- 21954083 +>>21954057 +I believe this. +Those theories they have on how phallanx warfare might have really looked are so clownish when you consider it really only makes sense in the context of combat involving large lizards +--- 21954088 +>>21954082 +Specifically in the case of BOTNS I feel like having explicit pictures of the 'science' side of the science-fantasy takes away from what should be pieced together in the mind of the reader, as making those connections is part of the pleasure in reading it. And even having read it multiple times it just feels crude and defeats the point of the book. +--- 21954106 +>>21951575 +Ursula LeGuin sucks balls and is only pushed by the same old TRUFAN convention cliques. + +Actually good women authors are: +Leigh Brackett who is a superb writer. +Kaoru Kurimoto whose Guin Saga is good. +Margaret St. Clair for the Sign of the Labrys. +C. L. Moore's Jirel of Joiry isn't bad. +Andre (Alice) Norton for her Witch World. +--- 21954107 +>>21953480 +atleast wang was a net zero influence on the story, fucking xi or whatever her name was made every single wrong decision because muh love for humanity. also her rival the Wen? guy was the most mary sue character of all time, his motivation is also completely unclear as he was ready to kill her to save humanity but then later he wasnt ready to even just defy her? though the first book did spend an unbelievable amount of time in a literally empty world so eh could go either way +--- 21954110 +>>21954088 +True, I imagine the part where Severian comes across the painting of an astronaut would be wasted if given the visuals up front rather than just reading and imagining what he's looking at. + +>The picture he was cleaning showed an armored figure standing in a desolate landscape. It had no weapon, but held a staff bearing a strange, stiff banner. + +>The visor of this figure's helmet was entirely of gold, without eye slits or ventilation; in its polished surface the deathly desert could be seen in reflection, and nothing more. + +>This warrior of a dead world affected me deeply, though I could not say why or even just what emotion it was I felt. In some obscure way, I wanted to take down the picture and carry it - not into our necropolis but into one of those mountain forests of which our necropolis was (as I understood even then) an idealized but vitiated image. It should have stood among trees, the edge of its frame resting on young grass. +--- 21954127 +>>21951183 +>Well paced and engaging 'progression fantasy' when? +People would moan about the story being bloated before the MC even felt like he made progress, then. Not to mention that well paced and engaging progression fantasy implies party-based progression to me. +--- 21954144 +>>21953913 +Alhamdulillah +--- 21954275 +I'm trying to find a book that I read, but I don't know what to search for and I don't know where else to ask, so I figured I'd pay you guys a visit. + +I think it was by Asimov, and it's about a really fucking stressed-out space hauler or miner in a rust-bucket, flying solo even though he really shouldn't be flying solo, and all his trials and tribulations centered mostly around a specific space station, if memory serves. + +He's got like what I'd describe as PTSD (but that is never describe in the book) and his family dying and shit like that, and I think the whole thing ends with him signing on with this other "family" and getting a crew again and whatnot, after meeting some woman. + +Ring any bells to anyone? +--- 21954285 +>>21953981 +I have but nobody wants to read it +--- 21954306 +>>21954110 +New fans aren't buying folio editions of BotNS. They're for people who already know all of that shit and want a pretty book. +--- 21954327 +>>21954275 +Doesn't sound like Asimov at all, but rather something like Gateway by Frederik Pohl +--- 21954335 +>>21953986 +Come on Anon, pick one and stick with it you have greatness in you! + +>>21954000 +You only getting better at writing by writing, Anon! + +>>21954036 +I look forward to reading your novel Anon + +>>21954285 +Tell us Anon, what is your novel about? +--- 21954341 +not again +this isn't the writing thread. +--- 21954408 +Time to post the +>last book you read +>current book you're reading +>next book you plan to read + +>Consider Phlebas and Corpse Factory +>The Player of Games +>Maybe The Use of Weapons +--- 21954428 +>>21954408 +>last book you read +Artemis Fowl 8 +>current book you're reading +Alternating between Fellowship of The Ring and The Way of Kings +>next book you plan to read +Probably The Two Towers +--- 21954471 +>>21954408 +>last book +Oathbringer +>Current +Gardens of the Moon +>Next +Deadhouse Gates +--- 21954483 +>>21954408 +>last +Alien: River of Pain +>current +Alien: Out of the Shadows +>next +All the Alien novels, including all the Aliens omnibuses +--- 21954513 +>>21954408 +>last book you read +Revelation Space - I liked it and am gonna read the other books by Reynolds. +>current book you're reading +Sabriel - I never thought I would ever really enjoy reading a book with a female protagonist, but here we are. Wish there was more info on the Old Kingdom though, maybe it does talk about it further in. +>next book you plan to read +Silmarillion - I want to reread it as it's been a while. +--- 21954518 +>>21951137 +I've recently read Bakker and this became my favorite author. Made me look intro the crusades and I was shocked how similar the first crusade is to the first holy war. Concerning the mesopotamian names here are some examples. +>Namtar means Pestilence, it is also the most cruel of demons +>Ea means the Earth +>Nin-Gélal is the lady of countries/land (Dame des Pays in french) +>Nin-dar is a strong warrior, and also a god +The stairs with the seven steps is also a mesopotamian figure which represent the path the souls take in the afterlife. I'm pretty sure there's emphasis on the stairs at the end of the UC in the golden room. +While we're talking names, Golgotterath is based on the hill the christ was crucified on, Golgotha (If like me you don't know anything about theology and are trying to learn about it). +--- 21954521 +>>21953981 +I’m too distracted by video games and women. +--- 21954535 +>>21954513 +Sabriel is a great femprotag and mogs most other women protags. +--- 21954547 +>>21954107 +Thing is, Chiang Xin is completely justified in her actions, its just that she didn't get the memo that she is a character in a doom-dark novel. Her not activating the signal was the correct choice in that situation - like literally why would you assume that a civilization, which with word of the author capital T Truth was described as getting humanized and egalitarian, choose to do le funni Australia Jewish ghetto? Far better to just let everyone live and have humanity become the secondary species of Earth, instead of blowing Earth up. Not to say that it isn't infuriating, but the actual idiots are humanity, not her. For both making this fucking idiotic system where the entire first strike depended on a single person (Trisolarans would literally win the second the Swordholder would get a natural health emergency), and for then failing to keep in mind that if you do need a new Swordholder, it can only be a dead-eyed psycho. As for the second decision to refuse Wades plan, that was also correct from her point of view at the time - would you really risk a psycho blowing up 99% of humanity in order to give humanity FTL, that, at least from your current knowledge, is not necessary for humanities survival? Again, the only reason it was a dumb move was because a) it's a dark novel and b) because humanity was too stupid to figure out the existence of a dual vector foil, thus the belief that it was already saved. +--- 21954566 +>>21954408 +>last read +The Night Land by William Hope Hodgson +>currently reading +Conan The Barbarian Omnibus by Robert E Howard +>plan to read +The Wizard Knight by Gene Wolfe +--- 21954569 +>>21954557 +I don't know, what's a sooner? +--- 21954573 +>>21954569 +>inb4 phoneposting +I meant zoomer +--- 21954574 +>newfag phoneposter uses newfagisms +#whoa +--- 21954580 +>>21954573 +If you were wondering why I was reading Artemis Fowl at 31 it was for nostalgia's sake since I read those books when I was a kid +And I never read LOTR because, dunno why, but better late than never +--- 21954585 +>>21954518 +>likes poopoo gay sex book +Hard pass for me, lad. +--- 21954589 +>>21954408 +>>last book you read +last castle by vance +great vance novel, extremely entertaining and humorous as usual. also very short and sweet and surprisingly compelling for something so short + +>>current book you're reading +lord demon by zelazny. zelazny writes well and it's a very creative story. according to my kindle i'm 67% in and after a bit of a slump the plot progression has picked up again. but before that slump it was a real page turner, always something interesting happening. + +>>next book you plan to read +this immortal by zelazny or maybe the broken sword if i want to take a break from zelazny, because i'm also listening to chronicles of amber on audiobook (i've read it before and i can't be arsed to reread) +--- 21954598 +>>21954574 +I’ve been lurking and posting on 4chan since 2008. I’m phone posting because I do not have access to my PC at the moment. Also, zoomer is simply a contemporary term, whether you accept it or not. +--- 21954602 +>>21951084 +It's driving me crazy finding a fantasy book after Bakker bros. WHERE DO I GO FROM HERE +--- 21954612 +>>21954335 +>Tell us Anon, what is your novel about? +I don't think my synopsis is good enough nor is my first chapter. + +>Adah Phenric took a vow to protect the world from any threats when she took an oath as a Knight of Valora. All was well until she and her team were sent on a routine mission to hunt a monster, but things go awry and Adah finds herself to be the sole survivor. Unconvinced her comrades are dead, she ventures out into the world to uncover the reasons for their disappearance. Coming in contact with a mysterious merchant, her investigation leads her to uncover a plot that threatens the world and discover the nature of the Goddess herself. Armed with nothing but her wits, friends, and a bit of magic, Adah commits to bringing the culprits to justice. For duty binds all. + +https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/67568/a-knight-of-valora-serenity +--- 21954619 +>>21954566 +what'd you think of the night land? did you read the original or a story retold? i read story retold and loved it, instantly became one of my favorites and i've been on the fence about reading the original +--- 21954623 +>>21954602 +Just read different genres. He basically "solved" dark fantasy, grimdark, as genres. No one comes close. There are, of course, different genres telling different stories with different tones, but if you go into them thinking "why isn't this the greatest dark fantasy series every written" then you are obviously going to have a bad time. +--- 21954626 +>>21954513 +you read the first book in a series and you like it but you don't read the second book as your next book or even as the one after that? +--- 21954637 +>>21954626 +To be fair, Sabriel is a better female character than any cardboard woman in Revelation Space was. One may argue that RS women are more realistic +--- 21954662 +what do we think of MCs who never wanted to be heroes but reluctantly embrace their duty and responsibility when they become blessed or cursed with great powers in a time of crisis +--- 21954674 +>>21954637 +ilya was good, both in revelation space and pushing ice, but i forgot what the character was called in pushing ice +but agreed on just about every other female character. during a recent revisit of the series, by far the worst part of it all was the atrociously dull, melodramatic and drawn out plot about the girl who pilots her father's space ship but the ai in the space ship is her father's friend's personality. oh my god what the fuck was reynolds thinking with that monstrously boring plot line that goes literally nowhere. +--- 21954683 +They should just ban female MCs +--- 21954696 +>>21954408 +>last book you read +The Avatar: Tantras +>current book you're reading +The Paladins: The Old Ways +>next book you plan to read +Forest Walker - A Chance Encounter +--- 21954767 +>>21954573 +woahh someone was gonna call you out for posting on your phone better inb4 to make up for it. what a terrible thing to be accused of +--- 21954771 +>>21954408 +>Last book +Bloodsong by Melvin Burgess, finished it about 30 minutes ago. +>Current book +Blue Moon (Anita Blake #8) by Laurell Hamilton +>Next book +The Traitor Baru Cormorant by Seth Dickinson once I can pick it up from the library. +--- 21954776 +>>21951939 +Just spend $400 on the Night Shade version lol. It's not popular enough for a conan style mass production +--- 21954797 +>>21954408 +>Last book +Before They Are Hanged, Mort +>Current Book +Last Argument of Kings +>Next Book +Not sure, I think I want a break before going into the first law standalones, thinking either Lovecraft Country or the first Black Company book +--- 21954799 +>>21950422 +>>21950576 +>>21951864 +>>21954073 +>>21954110 +Stand back, plebs +--- 21954853 +>>21951598 +>>21951822 +>>21954776 + +last thread i called kane a cuckold, and i want to apologize. i had a brain fart and thought you meant caine by matthew stover. i only realized i was wrong when anon said he paid 400$ and it occurred to me that there isn't a single person on earth who would pay 400$ for that caine. +i am adding this kane to my list of books to read +--- 21954869 +>>21954853 +i accept your apology +--- 21954876 +>>21951939 +>know if there will be any new prints of kane in the future, like that single volume conan collection? +unforunately the KEW estate is dedicated to only ever letting kane get reprinted in expensive hardcover collections instead of cheap paperbacks +get lucky on ebay and you can snatch them up, the frazetta covers are the most expensive but the UK editions are cheaper even though their covers are shit +>tfw we never got the kane comic book that was promised +--- 21954883 +>>21954876 +sounds cheaper just buying the original frazetta paintings +--- 21954935 +>>21954626 +>you read the first book in a series and you like it but you don't read the second book as your next book or even as the one after that? +I tend to mix up books like that all the time. No idea why, it's just been that ways since I started reading books when I was a kid. +--- 21954939 +>>21954799 +What is that? The comic? +--- 21954940 +>>21954876 +--- 21954951 +>>21954939 +yes. 90s comic only made three issues before being canceled. The art inside looks like sandman +--- 21954957 +>>21954951 +I think I might have it saved somewhere on my PC, but it'd take a while to dig up. +--- 21955044 +>want to get Bakker's books related to the Second Apocalypse series +>only the first three books have good cover art +>the Aspect Emperor has some shitty photoshop faces in circles theme going on +What was he thinking? +--- 21955058 +>>21950576 +I would have probably loved this book when I was younger. +Now, I believe that our sun is electric, and it will never die in the sense that it runs out of fuel ala the nuclear furnace of teh sun. That is simply not correct, so I would then have to place teh book into pure fantasy with a false premise right off the bat. Too bad, cuz I am sure it is good. +--- 21955120 +>>21954602 +Is Bakker really that good? I’ve heard he has some weird content in his stories (weird I’m not a good way). +--- 21955141 +>>21955120 +yes he has groos shit in his book but also yes, he's quite good. but the series isn't finished and probably never will be. +--- 21955144 +>>21955120 +dumb phoneposter +--- 21955145 +>>21954619 +I read the original. The archaic language was a little obtuse at first, but once the story entered the more sci-fi and romantic elements, I found that Hodgson’s prose really shined. As for the story itself, I thought the setting was fascinating and the main plot was genuinely engaging. My only complaint is that I wish there was more to the ending than a simple happily ever after. I wish Hodgson expanded more on the details of the night land and revealed a few more secrets about it. +--- 21955173 +>>21954518 +>dude look at this copy and paste linguistics +>so impressive +--- 21955189 +Wasn't expecting A Thousand Li book 8 to be a murder mystery novel desu. Plus Wu Ying isn't even good at being a detective. +--- 21955222 +Tourist here, I've been searching for Dr. Adder (Jeter, Bluejay Books 1984) in decent condition that doesn't cost fucking $50. +Why is it that book seems so "popular" all of a sudden I have two copies in barely acceptable condition and paid $8 for both of them combined. +Anyone know a bookstore that has old scifi books and ships overseas? Already searched for hours but Google is dogshit nowadays anyway. +--- 21955226 +Just Finished volume 6 of the Wandering Inn. Pretty good overall, despite it being the first volume since the first that I'd consider having "bad" chapters. +I really liked the Witch chapters, and all of the stuff with Niers was really neat. The Fight against the crelers was a bit too anime and power of friendship for my taste, but I've already accepted that stakes are a myth and consequences are a joke, so it's not that bad. +--- 21955249 +When do the conan books get good? I'm about halfway through the coming of conan and it's extremely boring. +--- 21955253 +>>21955249 +Have t read that. I’ve read the first hundred pages of the omnibus though, and that’s pretty good. Why don’t you try just reading REH’s short stories first? +--- 21955294 +>>21955058 +Good thing the sun in the story isn't dying because it is old but because it has been tampered with by an insane ruler Also, all of "sci fi" is fantasy, especially ones that take place in space. Space is fake and gay. +--- 21955327 +>>21955249 +Some of the best conan stories are in the first half of coming of conan. If you're not into by now maybe it's just not for you. +--- 21955386 +>>21955249 +you have to read boring books, bad books, trash books to really enjoy the good ones. +--- 21955408 +>>21955294 +Good thing the son in the story isn't dying because it is old but because it's the book of the new son, the spelling changed over time like with Urth because Severian is the second coming of Jesus who dies and is reborn again, etc etc more biblical stuff +--- 21955417 +>>21953592 +>gay witchcraft +>apple fag +checks out +--- 21955445 +>>21955408 +I agree. Wolfe is the goat +--- 21955446 +Honest question: are there genuinely great sci-fi books? I have started reading some "classic" sci-fi books this year (Ender's Game, Starship Troopers, Foundation, Neuromancer, etc.) and if they are supposed to be the best i cannot even fathom how bad the average sci-fi book is. Who are the Peake, Dunsany, Tolkien, etc. of the sci-fi genre? +--- 21955452 +>>21955226 +i thought it was neat. +btw, did you see the drake raid coming? or the way the arc ended? i thought that arc was well structured in how it was leading the reader's attention and focus. +--- 21955456 +>>21955446 +read Dick +--- 21955461 +>>21955446 +Well there are "sci fi" classics like Hyperion which are more so fantasy. People seem to love it or hate it. And then there are more modern "hard sci fi" like Peter Watts Blindsight. Prose is usually second to high concept and other crap and probably why not loved as much as Peake, etc. + +I would pick Wolfe's The Fifth Head of Cerberus as a generally great sci fi story. +--- 21955491 +>>21955461 +Why is there a jet propelled penis there? +--- 21955495 +>>21955189 +>xianxia written by a canadian +Is it any good? +I'm a bit wary of anyone westernized writing xianxia. +--- 21955501 +>>21955491 +--- 21955505 +>>21955491 +Why wouldn't there be? +--- 21955507 +>>21955495 +it's a gook who was born in china +he immolated his career by copyrighting the term "system apocalypse" and having books by other authors with that phrase in the title removed from amazon for a short time +--- 21955508 +>>21955189 +>reading and supporting Tao Wong after the stunt he pulled +I thought everyone was boycotting that faggot? His works isn't even good. He writes literal doormat cucks (In the system apocalypse case) and long wordy novels that lead to nothing (in the thousand li case). +--- 21955520 +>>21954612 +I'll give it a shot. +--- 21955528 +>>21955501 +Based Jodo, incal is more Kino than Dune +--- 21955539 +>>21955495 +Tao Wong comes off as very self-important in the text but it's the comfiest xianxia story. +>>21955508 +I've never paid for a book what do I care? Also shitting on redditors is always a plus to me. +--- 21955545 +>>21955446 +To be honest i've never been very impressed by any supposedly "hard" science fiction much less the social masturbation stuff like Banks and Pulp is peak sf in my view. +Jack Vance's Emphyrio, the Demon Princes, Planet of Adventure and some shorts like the Moon Moth are all good reads. +Then there's Roger Zelazny's Lords of Light, Alfred Bester's The Demolished Man (and The Stars My Destination), Leigh Brackett's Sea Kings of Mars, Lindsay's A Voyage to Arcturus (for all it's many flaws), Hiero's Journey to name a few. +I guess if you want something roughly literary there's A Canticle for Leibowitz or Jules Verne's stories. +--- 21955549 +>>21955507 +>it's a gook who was born in china +Doesn't really matter if they're writing with westernized mindset in mind though. I don't care if it's a white guy writing it I just don't want to start having all the trappings of nu-western shit to infest it midstory. Got burned more than once trying to read 'originals' on webnovel. +--- 21955573 +>>21955120 +In a fantasy world where blonde haired blue eyes hyperboreans being ubermensch build the greatest societies with gender roles where women are soil for seed with a heavy focus on biological determinism, you start to understand why /lit/ sucks off bakker so much. Don't fall for it. +--- 21955585 +He's talking about wandering inn with spoiler tags as if we're gonna read 12 million words of unedited drivel written by an obese dude pretending to be a woman +--- 21955586 +>>21955120 +No +--- 21955590 +>>21954483 +>Alien: Out of the Shadows +so much better than the other books in the trilogy. +--- 21955597 +>>21955446 +Try reading Poul Anderson and Jack Vance if you're looking for genuinely great classic pulp sci-fi. +You should also read some "new wave" sci-fi like J. G. Ballard or Harlan Ellison. +--- 21955608 +>>21955586 +>has unfinished series on her shelf cause she doesn't have matching height hardbacks +jej +--- 21955637 +>>21955586 +Why? +--- 21955638 +>>21955573 +>/lit/ +It's one dude. +--- 21955681 +What are some things you like seeing when reading a fantasy book, and what things you don't? +--- 21955693 +>New chapter +>Severian is knocked unconcious yet again + +This is retroactively ruining the first four books for me. +--- 21955717 +>>21955693 +Urth is weird until the spaceship bullshit is over. I almost dropped it, but after that is just as good as the rest. +--- 21955719 +>>21955573 +>/lit/ sucks off bakker so much +It's always the same guy shilling it +--- 21955730 +For some reason I felt a severe melancholy after seeing a Harlan's Watching episode on YouTube (the one in which Ellison mourns the passing of Asmov). The realization that almost all the authors of the New Wave are no longer around and how science-fiction literature has become less and less relevant in our times did resurface. +I even found myself visiting Harlan's old website which is pretty much a time capsule. +http://harlanellison.com/home.htm +I am not sure if this nostalgia and melancholy is due the lack of authors that are similar in character as those who became iconic in their respective eras or just me having an existential crisis due finding that this type of narrative had lost all its sense of wonder and cultural relevancy. +--- 21955734 +>>21955693 +>he doesn't know that every time Severian gets "knocked unconscious" he actually dies. And that he has died over and over again throughout the series. +--- 21955745 +>>21955734 +Holy...kino +Picked the fuck up +--- 21955951 +>>21955730 +Harlan and Asimov both have pretty strong indications that they were pedos. That whole convention clique from that part of the country is highly suspect since they were running in circles that included openly pederastic Breen & Bradley Zimmer yet no one said anything until her daughter openly accused them of it, with most of them writing some bullshit about free love (would not be surprised to find more names get named in time like McCaffrey who also defended an affiliated pedo or Le Guin), Ellison's ardent defense of dragoncon multiple-arrested child molesting pedophile Ed Kramer, Asimov's son being caught as one of the largest child porn collectors in California despite having no income and only living off as stipend from his father. +If you want actual writers to look up to, for whatever reason, look outside those godforsaken convention cliques as even a cursory glance behind the curtain is rife with horrific shit. +--- 21956109 +>>21955951 +Asimov literally gropped a 15yo girl in a con +--- 21956135 +>>21956109 +This is what a 15 year old looks like in America? +No wonder people get jailed for fucking underage children in the USA if your 15 year olds look like 20 something. +--- 21956144 +>>21956135 +with the amount of alcohol and tobacco being pushed into kids' systems in the middle of the 20th century, Americans looked like 40 year olds before they were out of their teens +--- 21956224 +>>21956109 +15-year-old girls are built to be maximally arousing. +--- 21956232 +>>21956224 +t. Asimov's son +--- 21956247 +>>21956224 +Attractiveness in both sexes peaks at around 20-22 +--- 21956259 +>>21956247 +Looking to settle down? +--- 21956281 +>>21956259 +I'm much too insane for that, I just think it should be stated for the record that people are most attractive at around 20-22. It is the period where they stop having the vaguely deformed puffy look teenagers have but before aging sets in. Provided they are healthy they will have a kind of glow and well defined but not gaunt features. It is also the age of peak fertility for both sexes, most likely to successfully produce healthy children +--- 21956349 +>>21956312 +This may be far too honest of a take for most people. +--- 21956359 +The end of The Third Kingdom reads like it was written by a man who jettisoned his own fanbase. Kino. +--- 21956401 +why is heretics of dune so dogshit +--- 21956415 +>>21956401 +you're only supposed to read the first 4 +--- 21956432 +>>21956401 +didn't that one had /ss/? +--- 21956433 +>>21956401 +Always be careful when there's a big time gap. It's going to be something different, probably worse. +--- 21956543 +>>21954408 +>last book you read +Legends and Lattes +>current book you're reading +Frugal Wizard's Handbook for Surviving Medieval England +>next book you plan to read +The First Law +--- 21956615 +>>21954408 +A Feast for Crows +Pandora's Star +Judas Unchained or A Dance with Dragons +--- 21956687 +>You will never be this happy. +https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q2k_6zclwTs [Embed] +--- 21956714 +>>21956543 +It's astonishing to me how this book took off. I think I first made that comment when it was at 90k. +--- 21956738 +>>21956543 +>Legends and Lattes +How is it? Heard it's comfy +--- 21956756 +>>21956738 +reddit-tier +--- 21956784 +>>21956756 +So it's popular and made the author money? +--- 21956803 +>>21956714 +disgusting +you really can sell anything if your name is big enough in the right community +--- 21956805 +>>21956687 +https://youtu.be/uqES1poX4Z8 [Embed] +--- 21956832 +>>21956714 +does it have female MC? +--- 21956836 +>>21956832 +female lesbians orc + tiefling +--- 21956845 +>>21956836 +well, no wonder it's popular +--- 21956853 +>>21956803 +Factually true, but Baldree is only a big name in the despised ghetto of litrpg audiobooks. A subniche of a subniche. Yet there he is, selling books. +--- 21956857 +Why hasn't anyone written a western retelling of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms with some isekai elements sprinkled in? +--- 21956947 +>>21956857 +you just gave me some kino ideas +--- 21956972 +>>21956857 +Not that i know of but Nostrillia by Cordwainer Smith is Journey to the West in Space +--- 21956988 +>>21956857 +Because RotK in of itself is an isekai. +>Guan Yu leaves his world as a butcher and becomes the greatest of warriors! +>Zhang Fei leaves his world as a pig farmer and becomes a fearsome warrior! +>Zhao Yun leaves his world as a underappreciated administrator and becomes a beautiful warrior! +>Ma Chao leaves his world as a barbarian from the steppes and becomes a vengeful warrior! +>Huang Zhong leaves his world as a administrator and becomes a wise warrior! +--- 21956990 +I saw a copy of this at a used bookstore. Is it worth reading? I've heard it's really controversial. +--- 21957000 +>>21956988 +I can't read Bastion because every time Lianshi is mentioned I imagine big boobas +--- 21957039 +>>21956988 +what is isekai and no please god don't tell me to go read it if its anime my heart just can't take that +--- 21957042 +>>21957039 +isekai is basically portal fantasy +--- 21957061 +>>21956990 +is considered Piers Anthony worst book, and he has a lot of bad books +--- 21957067 +>>21956990 +>Is it worth reading? +Read it yourself and find out. Don't listen to the opinions of /lit/ards. +--- 21957069 +>>21957039 +isekai is a japanese word meaning something like "other world" and in effect it means any story where a character from the present day/real world (or present/real relative to the story's setting) is transported to another time/realm/universe/whatever +this is typically called "portal fantasy" in English +--- 21957088 +>>21957069 +isekai is an ascended (descended?) form of portal fantasy, where the portal isn't even fucking important except as handwavium for whatever bullshit the author wants to write +--- 21957095 +Isekai means "other world" which in Japan literally any other world than Earth, including videogame worlds. It has various subcategories. +--- 21957113 +>>21957067 +I was mainly asking because the only reason I even recognized the book was due to how controversial it was. +--- 21957116 +john carter is iskeai +--- 21957119 +thomas covenant is isekai +--- 21957123 +starkings by edmond hamilton is isekai +--- 21957124 +Alice in wonderland is (and isn't) isekai +--- 21957126 +the moon pool is isekai +--- 21957130 +His Dark Material is a faggy atheist isekai +--- 21957141 +>>21957119 +>>21957123 +>>21957124 +>>21957126 +>>21957130 +all true but it could have been contained in a single post +--- 21957143 +>>21957130 +How mad were you when God withered away into dust? +--- 21957144 +>>21957141 +A Voyage to Arcturus is isekai +--- 21957157 +>>21957143 +It was so meh. Made it worse by the pacing of every other chapter being about that le scientist lady who finds wheel elephants fucking gay get out of here. Won't even finish the show, realized yesterday the third season was done. +--- 21957290 +It's coming along nicely +--- 21957301 +>>21957069 +>>21957141 +Okay, but I still don't fully understand. It is just that the story takes place in another world? But then why not just call it fantasy or science fiction, almost all of it takes place in another or different world. +--- 21957307 +>>21957301 +because the protagonist originated in our own world +so it's a guy who's used to cars and electric razors and hearing about the war in ukraine on tv being transported into a medieval setting with dragons and orcs and shit by accidentally stumbling upon it in a thrift shop mirror or a book in an old library +as for why not just call it fantasy, well because it's something that easily lends itself to categorization. it's still fantasy, but it's also a specific subset of fantasy +--- 21957374 +>>21957301 +It's not just that the story takes place in another world, it's that a person from OUR world gets transported to the other world and interacts with it based on the preconceived notions of normal 21st century life. For example, the Tron movie? that's isekai - a computer programmer gets sucked into his own video game and has to learn to survive and defeat the evil Master Control Program. Peter Pan involves a bunch of 1900s British kids flying away to Neverland to face pirates and indians and ticking clockodiles. The Lost World has Professor Challenger enter a cave in a Amazonian cliffside and pop out in a prehistoric realm with Brontosaurus and Pteranodon. All of these are variations on a "fish out of water" theme that is integral to the portal fantasy genre. +--- 21957445 +>>21955495 +Thousand li is terrible. +--- 21957474 +>>21957445 +Give fifteen examples +--- 21957477 +>>21957307 +>>21957374 +I get it now, thanks anons. Then isekai is just the Japanese version of this kind of story. It didn't originate with them, though, right? Also, is it just for anime or do they use it for all their fiction. Or do you know +--- 21957489 +>>21957477 +It's beyond simply "the japanese version", isekai is absolute trash of the lowest quality. A guy gets run over by a truck by mistake so god sends him to a fantasy world. In apology he gives the protagonist a magic phone that works and lets him call people and look stuff up on the internet despite the lack of technology in the other world. He also gets the magic power of simultaneously multiclassing in every class and can learn special abilities only capable of being used by dragons and nematodes. He also has 10000 base charisma and every girl he meets instantly wants to bang him and is ok being a cuckqueen in his ever-growing harem. He proceeds to use his amazing powers to introduce a medieval world to the wonders of sushi and mayonnaise. THAT'S isekai. +--- 21957493 +>>21955586 +King BROKE her. +--- 21957496 +>>21957474 +Bad dialogue, extremely bad prose. I have seen fan translated chinese webnovels with better prose than a Thousand Li written by an native English speaker. +--- 21957504 +>>21957496 +No you haven't. +--- 21957533 +>>21954876 +Frazetta is nice, but I kind of like his wife's nephew Ken Kelly more. +--- 21957619 +I'm a real intellectual. I read and listen to Philip K Dick. +--- 21957735 +>>21957619 +>intellectual +>listens to dick +You read Descartes? +--- 21957753 +>>21950366 diff --git a/lit/21950350.txt b/lit/21950350.txt index 870b0ce52dc0e9c2fc12c660bba021d93622b4c0..5989de754cdcbdab9cf882ab6a54caad08cf8aa9 100644 --- a/lit/21950350.txt +++ b/lit/21950350.txt @@ -205,3 +205,163 @@ It doesn't seem to bother anybody so I try to just treat it like normal, but dam >>21950938 Based I'm going to read this right now, thanks +--- 21953813 +>>21950865 +seething degenerate atheistcuck +>>21950742 +>the church was right all along +it was modern day is proved him right +--- 21953817 +>>21951329 +Comparing things for superficial reasons like "protagonist has brown hair" and "a smart detective is after them" is meaningless and a waste of time. You also completely mistook their ideals, Light is a man that wants to make a better world by killing those he deems unjust and anyone that gets in his way, while Raskolnikov believes that it's okay for him to sin if he ends up making up for that sin by improving the world. The only meaningful connection there is their goal to create a better world, which is a really dumb comparison to make considering that "improving the world" is probably the most common motivation for a protagonist. +On the other hand, the BB comparison holds a bit more weight because Walt and Raskolnikov are much more similar (people in an unfortunate situation decide to commit a crime with the motivation of helping their family) initially at least. It's also a really dumb comparison to make because beyond that starting point the stories, characters and themes don't have much in common. But hey, at least it's a better comparison than "the protagonist has brown hair" lol. +--- 21953819 +>>21950350 (OP) +Why is Christian forgiveness and humanism, deapite being the core teaching of Christ and the most beautiful and quite possibly the only good doctrine of the faith, is also the one that most Christians ignore and most Atheists virulently reject? + +t. Culturally Catholic Atheist +--- 21953822 +>>21950630 +Nabokov is literal definition of hack, he has never written anything good. +--- 21953835 +>ywn have a friend as unreasonably loyal as Razumikhin +--- 21953844 +>>21950378 +>>21950350 (OP) +>turns himself in +After the detective comes to his house and tells him he's going to be arrested +>>21950451 +Yes. He never once says he's an atheist +--- 21953853 +I like how in Dostoevsky writing there is this double standard when it comes to age where men are eternally young but women are always old and mature.53 yo man? Still a child, has his whole life ahead of him. 20 yo woman? Old witch, this is her last chance for love. It's very optimistic. +--- 21953865 +>>21953853 +It was written more than 150 years ago, I think we can cut Dosto a little slack +--- 21953917 +>>21950484 +Cucks and simps existed since time immemorial. The only thing that changed is society +--- 21953996 +>>21953819 +Forgiveness is incompatible with society. +--- 21954022 +>>21953996 +say who? your discord friends? +--- 21954065 +>>21954022 +Says everyone. +The law must make an example out of the offender, to prevent others from doing the same. +And even God wasn't keen on the forgiving deal, what with unbelievers burning in Hell. +So I'm only following God's example. +--- 21954325 +>>21953817 +>Light is a man that wants to make a better world by killing those he deems unjust and anyone that gets in his way, while Raskolnikov believes that it's okay for him to sin if he ends up making up for that sin by improving the world. +At the same time, you could say that Light believes that it's okay for him to kill if he ends up making up for that sin by improving the world. And Raskólnikov is a man that wants to make a better world by killing and stealing an old lady and anyone that gets in his way (Her sister). You are only focusing on the superficial comparisons and not the other ones. It's like if I said "Green apples and Red apples have in common a similar taste" and you would say "Noo! They are different colours! Your comparison is just superficial based on the taste!" + +All of that said, I found on an article on the internet that "Shusuke Kaneko, the director of the film version of Death Note, stated in an interview that he was inspired by Dostoevsky's novel.", I don't know how true that can be, and searching for japanese interviews is extremelly hard, so I'll let the doubt sink in. +--- 21954375 +>>21953817 +Also, my comparison was just a summary of the real comparison. I'm not writing a full article about it though. But here's a less "superficial" (Since you don't like to compare colours, just ugnore the parenthesis) comparison: Protagonist is a lonely (brown haired) young adult who is a university student. He barely gets out of his own room. He suddenly finds himself in a position where he can commit a crime: To kill for the best of the world. He decides that he may be superior to the rest of humans, and that he will get away with it, so he decides to commit crime. After that, the detectives are unto him, and instead of hiding, he attacks. He gets interested in his own investigation, and starts talking to his own detectives. On Death Note its L, on C&P its polfiri (Weird looking detective who is smarter than anyone in the story) in his house and that other detective on the bar. He also finds himself in a position where he will be 100% discovered, so he kills the person who found him out (The granny's sister in Raskólnikov case, any antagonist in Death Note). Later, he meets a (blonde) woman who also commits crimes, which is his "love interest", who, directly or indirectly, makes him finally go to jail. + +Of course the story of Death Note continues from there, but there's nothing more to compare. Light needed a higher punishment than jail. +--- 21954487 +>>21952885 +Better Call Saul would be a better fit. +There's a plenty of religious symbolism. +--- 21954498 +>>21952885 +Holy shit, what a shallow reading of that book. +--- 21954537 +>>21953817 +>people in an unfortunate situation decide to commit a crime with the motivation of helping their family +That was not the motive of walter white. You either didn't watched the show or the message went up your head. At the end of the series walter says that he did it because the power felt good. Walter was submissive all his life, everyone stepped on him, and now, when he is about to die, he chooses to take the power for once, and because it felt great he just kepts doing it. This is said in one of the most memorable scenes in the show, in the last talk between Walter and Skyler. +--- 21954592 +Just finished reading for the first time. +>Tfw the end part with his mum +--- 21954618 +>>21954592 +Why did Dostoyevsky killed her? I always tought it was unnecesary for her to die. +--- 21954628 +>>21954618 +What was meant to happen with her? Ras comes out 7 years later, and they keep letting her live a lie forever? +--- 21954632 +>>21954325 +>At the same time, you could say that Light believes that it's okay for him to kill if he ends up making up for that sin by improving the world. +You really can't. It's obvious that at no point did Light consider any of the crimes he was committing as a "sin" just by the fact that he never feels even the slightest hint of regret or guilt over any of his crimes, even when killing a completely innocent person like the FBI woman (can't remember her name). Again all the examples you give of similarities are superficial stuff (he has brown hair, he is a student, etc.) that do not deeply affect the themes of their stories. +--- 21954664 +>>21954632 +>It's obvious that at no point did Light consider any of the crimes he was committing as a "sin" just by the fact that he never feels even the slightest hint of regret or guilt over any of his crimes +A monologue of Light in the FIRST chapter: "I've killed two people! I... I... Human lives... are not to be taken slightly. What right do I have to judge people? No. No! This is exactly what I've been thinkintg all along. This world is rotten! Somebody has to do it. Even if it means sacrificing one's own life or soul (Isn't he saying it's a "sin" here?) + +>you give of similarities are superficial stuff +The superficial stuff you mentioned was the thing I told you to not read, you clearly didn't read the rest. You can not have this much retardation. +--- 21954670 +>>21954632 +Not that anon, but he did, over his first few kills. He's a bit traumatized, couldn't sleep or eat, lost weight, and thought divine punishment would come after him for it (A bit like Rodion surprisingly). +And Ryuk told him that no, he's not here to hand out judgment, and there isn't even a heaven or a hell to fret over, and Light turned into a full blown psycho. +I agree that the themes of the stories are completely different. +--- 21954718 +>>21950350 (OP) +>literature is plot summary +better luck next time +--- 21954819 +if only there was a character in the story to show what would happen to him if he got away with the crime +--- 21954839 +>>21950484 +>after 20 years of hard labor, he finally gets to be with his literal whore gf +Isn't this common in modern America? +--- 21954852 +>>21954819 +Svidrigailov, who lives the best life of all the characters? +--- 21954877 +>>21954852 +you could say that... if you're retarded. +--- 21954890 +>>21954852 +>best life of all characters +Did you miss the part where he has nothing left besides alcohol? Or the part about his nightmares? Or the part where he kills himself? +--- 21954895 +>>21954890 +>>21954852 +Or the part where he sees the ghosts of the people he killed haunting him? +--- 21954937 +>>21954890 +sounds pretty comfy desu +--- 21955269 +>>21953853 +I had a woman pretty much say this to me at work. +--- 21955516 +>>21950768 +What the fuck are you talking about? The epilogue begins with Raskolnikov being in Siberia. And Porfiry wasn’t convinced the painter was the murderer. +--- 21955559 +>>21955516 +Which is where he met Sonia, and went back in to confess. He was this close to getting away. +In the absence of Rodion, the court would have imprisoned the confessed painter and not pressed the case. +--- 21955563 +>>21954065 +lmao no. Societies build on blood revenge always fail. They can't create cohesive society, when every person takes the role of judge. +--- 21955579 +>>21955563 +That's why we relinquish our rights to revenge and retribution to the Justice System. The Justice System will then do the revenge and retribution and making examples part. +It created an imperfectly cohesive society, as one you're living in. +--- 21955668 +>>21950865 +>t. never read Leo Tolstoy. +--- 21955685 +>>21950350 (OP) +>rich +Didnt he just steal a watch from his landlord or some shit? Been like 20 years since I read this shit +--- 21957155 +>>21954618 +something something freud +--- 21957508 +>>21955685 +>Didnt he just steal a watch from his landlord or some shit? +He pawned his father's watch originally. He stole jewelry and some money, whatever he could easily find. +>Been like 20 years since I read this shit +In my head, I was like, "This guy must be my dad's age," but then I realized it's been 17 years since I first read it. Reread it four years ago and it was even better. +--- 21957755 +>>21955579 +but that's not a retribution. how are people that that Breivik killed avenged? It's just menas for the government to "rehabilitate" people. +--- 21957768 +>>21957755 +We don't talk about Nordic basedvernments. Any proper government would have put him to a coal mine 24 hours a day. diff --git a/lit/21950375.txt b/lit/21950375.txt index bb3e6d4a7710298e26fb85ed9bca8a0fb702a303..e53d9f13be24d682b84245873600bb3c4aa7ec37 100644 --- a/lit/21950375.txt +++ b/lit/21950375.txt @@ -82,3 +82,82 @@ Go crawl back up your mother’s cunt if you hate the real world so much. The re >for those with this disgraceful Huh? >a just government would place decisions in the hands of those it deems disgraceful +--- 21953925 +>>21951426 +Go die in the current war retard. +--- 21954037 +>>21951462 +Are you the same cat lady tripfag from earlier this year, "Cluster B"? Or are you the next one. +--- 21954302 +>>21950375 (OP) +read the My Struggle series and let's see if you're still retarded +--- 21954347 +ham on rye maybe, in like sexual way and shit like that. dumb stuff +--- 21954379 +Just because you are having sex doesnt mean you stop living like a kid. + +I suggest you read Alfred Döblin - The three leaps of Wang Lun +--- 21954473 +>>21950375 (OP) + + +One afternoon, in a particularly bright and glowing August, some years before I knew I was happy, George Hooping, whom we called Little Cough, Sidney Evans, Dan Davies, and I sat on the roof of a lorry travelling to the end of the Peninsula. It was a tall, six-wheeled lorry, from which we could spit on the roofs of the passing cars and throw our apple stumps at women on the pavement. One stump caught a man on a bicycle in the middle of the back, he swerved across the road, for a moment we sat quiet and George Hooping's face grew pale. And if the lorry runs over him, I thought calmly as the man on the bicycle swayed towards the hedge, he'll get killed and I'll be sick on my trousers and perhaps on Sidney's too, and we'll all be arrested and hanged, except George Hooping who didn't have an apple. + +But the lorry swept past; behind us, the bicycle drove into the hedge, the man stood up and waved his fist, and I waved my cap back at him. + + +— 'Portrait of the Artist as a Young Dog' (Dylan Thomas) +--- 21954572 +>>21954379 +>Just because you are having sex + +I'm not having sex. +--- 21954744 +>>21950722 +>Everyone's childhood is the same. + +Are you for real? +--- 21954902 +>>21950375 (OP) +not a book but Citizen Kane +--- 21954903 +>>21954302 +The only people who read My Struggle, in fact, are retarded. +--- 21954922 +>>21950375 (OP) +Sucks for you, OP, but I actually consider Adulthood to be the peak of my life so far. +--- 21954930 +>>21950375 (OP) +Witold Gombrowicz’s oeuvre +--- 21955303 +>>21950375 (OP) +As a kid I was a priest. I lead the boys in my class to the local runestone whenever we had a test or some other event. Everyone listnened to my speeches. It was fun. It was silly. Today I work a menial job and drink whenever I can. +--- 21956258 +my diary desu +--- 21956306 +>>21950375 (OP) +Both are garbage in different ways but I think Serotonin touches on this? +--- 21956313 +>>21950722 +Nice to know everyone else grew up with alcoholic drug addict parents. +--- 21957721 +Dandelion Wine by Ray Bradbury. +--- 21957749 +>>21951290 +Could you imagine being taught about troons in your kindergarten class? I'm so sad for kids who are like ~6 years old right now, they've been robbed of a faggotless upbringing. I hate the Antichrist and narcissists +--- 21957765 +>>21951462 +>aaaaaa I'm adulting I'm adulting I've accepted my thermodynamic slavery to the market +Oink oink +--- 21957790 +Knulp by herman hesse +--- 21957792 +>>21950375 (OP) +Torture scene in The Shitkickers talks about this 100% +--- 21957833 +>>21957749 +>a faggotless upbringing +Wish I had that. I'm from Toronto. +--- 21957839 +>>21957749 +All through elementary school and the 11 high schools I went to, not a single peep about gays or trannies. I left school around about 1994 or so. diff --git a/lit/21950492.txt b/lit/21950492.txt index b0c9c5cf8553c58de8078706ba365cbe4b293f08..71c2dc0b81d50b08b600ad44c1154a99204e32e9 100644 --- a/lit/21950492.txt +++ b/lit/21950492.txt @@ -130,3 +130,76 @@ I understand the fallacy you're describing well enough. It's part of why I feel >>21951007 When I started working I had an overwhelming sense of "this will stifle me", and it was true. Aside from the effects of the monotony of work dulling cognition, the greater issue is the more thorough socialization, of being forced outside yourself, to become someone suited to your environment. When I first started I was very shy and introverted, and to a degree that's still true, but I think something of value that was lost was a sense of embarrassment. I recall vividly a sense of my cheeks flushing under numerous circumstances - now that doesn't happen, and I just roll with the situation. It's a feeling I miss because now the world and my place in it feels more mundane, as though it's lost a sense of specialness where something could cause me to react on a physical level instead of merely acting out an infinitely rehersed performance. +--- 21953976 +That's because most of humanities is BS. Pretty much all of it was solved by Plato. Learn real Math. Find God. +--- 21953998 +>>21950492 (OP) +Ideas aren't worth anything at all, sorry to disappoint you. They're only valuable if they have some sort of real world application or someone is willing to act on those ideas to make them a reality + +Otherwise it's just navelgazing. Pointless and a waste of time. There are no epiphanies or revelations to be found past a certain point. +There's only work and repetition to be done +--- 21954380 +>>21950968 +Pretty much any, but a good start is James’ book on pragmatism +--- 21954561 +I believe the only remedy for this is creation. If the ideas you read about remain in the abstract, perhaps that was their place all along? Or, perhaps still, You lack the resolve for creation of the new? I believe phenomenal states of consciousness to demand action and affirmation. What many seem to face with age is disillusionment, fear of the new with its unknown consequences. This condition can be fought against with affirmation and acceptence. "there is no need to fear or hope, only to look for new weapons" +--- 21954719 +>>21954561 +I tried reading Capitalism and Schizophrenia but I didn't get it. +--- 21954729 +>>21950711 +Shestov, he was a major influence on Bataille and some other frogs at the time +--- 21954843 +>>21950700 +>>21950704 +I think you are like this either because: +a) you are reading for purely aesthetic reasons, and so mostly just reading fiction books and poetry (hence your reference to yeats) whereas the thread is moreso about non-fiction +b) you are reading for historical knowledge +--- 21954855 +Sounds like you need to man the fuck up and start writing you fucking bitch. Are you seriously going to let the world take you captive like this? Take some shrooms and write. Then wake up and write some more +--- 21954892 +i became a materialist +--- 21955023 +>>21950492 (OP) +>kill myself +Soon plox +--- 21955064 +>>21951007 +Unironically read Bronze Age Mindset. +--- 21955069 +>>21951001 +>I always suspected I got retardation from ADHD + weed smoking + acid psychosis +The power of ideas seems to work as strong as ever. +--- 21955085 +That's because you're looking at ideas in an individualistic way, so as units that are sealed off from each other. Ideas tend towards combination, so that they produce new ideas. +--- 21956237 +>>21954719 +start with Nietzsche or Spinoza and work your way towards the postmodern, d&g are notoriously challenging in their writing +--- 21956332 +>>21950492 (OP) +I think I understand what you're talking about. When I was in my 20s, I also had an expectation that I would stumble upon some idea that would turn my world upside down and make me forever happy and strong. I was searching for some sort of life-changing epiphany in philosophy, but also in art, nature, love, and physical training. Now that I'm older, I feel like it turned out to be not the way I expected, but it was not a pure illusion either. + +If you hope that some idea, or philosophical theory, or something like that will completely change your world all at once, you're wrong. One reason for this is that you won't find an idea that will competely surprise you. If you are interested in humanities, literature, and philosophy, chances are that you are at least vaguely familiar with all key points humanity has ever made. There's of course mathematics and such, and there's various magical esoteric stuff, but I'm not talking about these, I'm talking about the non-schizo ideas about the meaning of life, existence, god, man's role in the world, etc. + +But this does not mean that there are no life-changing ideas at all. It just means that they don't work like you expect them to, they don't work immediately. You have to apply them to your life regularly and systematically, and then, slowly and almost imperceptibly, they will change your life. Unless you do that, they will just remain platitutudes which you may have heard a thousand times but which give you nothing. It's like with physical fitness - if you run a hundred meters, nothing will change. But if you start to run regularly and for a long time, then, after a while, you will be a different man. + +I've also mentioned that I was searching for epiphanies in other things, such as nature, art, and physical exercise. And I have found them there. These epiphanies did not last, but the key point is how you manage your expectations. If you think that this beautiful vista you see during your next mountain hiking trip, or this painting you see in a gallery will radically alter your life forever, you're wrong. But if you accept that the bliss they give you is real, even if it's gone after a while, then this experience, or, rather, the memory of this experience will be useful. + +You won't reach a sudden enlightenment, but it doesn't mean that you're doomed to be lost forever. There still is a path you're walking, even if you often stop, or go astray, or go back. And you can still reach your end goal. +--- 21957019 +>>21953976 +She looks hot but I haven't finished all of monogatari, just up to S2, should I watch more? +--- 21957037 +>>21950492 (OP) +You're really missing what your issue is. Very few books compel people in the first place to that capacity. Most books just offer new perspectives to smaller nuances. +Another thing would be how change requires a number of people, not just you. A lot of people got an idea from reading some apocryphal novel of french political philosopher or something of the like. But few groups changed the world after transmitting the ideas of some book. +Those books not only require large audiences, but certain audiences as well. Notwithstanding the validity of it, the Communist Manifesto did very little in Paris, being a haven of anemic bookworms but did a lot in the Russian Empire where people's blood started to boil after reading Marx. + +If you want to be compelled, that might be up to you. Might be your intelligence but also might be your enthusiasm. +--- 21957241 +>>21950492 (OP) +this is a healthy crossroads anon. much better than living under the delusion that men are capable of justice, imagined in thought or applied in institutions. + +the endgame is realizing that God is just and this world is a crucible to try your quality. + +everyone gets to this by a different path unless they stop along the way and get distracted. diff --git a/lit/21950580.txt b/lit/21950580.txt index 375830b83686daba1c9d3841f929bbbd583acdc4..548bc3bf069f757c2946654937a5df778e501309 100644 --- a/lit/21950580.txt +++ b/lit/21950580.txt @@ -121,3 +121,142 @@ lelftist women love anal. and nowadays sex is normalized and girls to atm all th --- 21953723 >>21950595 More women should look like that +--- 21953833 +>>21950599 +>>21951371 +>>21951491 +Modern academics, anon? + +>When Plato, in the Phaedrus, talks of human love, he means homosexual love, and the disputants in the Symposium agree on one point—that love between man and man is nobler than love between man and woman. +Will Durant, The Life of Greece (1937) +>There is one thing about the Greeks that we shall never be able to understand, a thing which separates them utterly from us: their love—pederasty.' +Richard Wagner (1873) +>The philosophers speak much more of this love than of the love of women…. Here in general there is no need of proofs for well-informed readers, they can recall them by the hundred, for with the ancients everything is full of it. +Arthur Schopenhauer, The World as Will as Representation Vol. II (1844) +>The unnatural love of boys was so common in Greece, that in many places it was sanctioned by the public laws, of which Aristotle gives the reason: viz. to prevent their having too many children. +Rev. Andrew Fuller, The Gospel Its Own Witness (1799) +>But even Aristides is said to have been addicted to the unnatural lust for boys. What can one say of a people, where this abominable vice was not even discountenanced? For my own part, when I find such a man as Aristides charged with it, I lament his living in those days. And I regret, that his otherwise unblemished name, should be contaminated by the infamous practice of his country. +Francis Dobbs, Second Volume of Universal History (1788) +>The taste of the Greeks for the most indecent and unnatural lust is well known; and the most virtuous of the Greeks, according to our ideas of morality, would have been looked upon in Europe as most wicked and contemptible debauchees. +Franz Swediauer, The Philosophical Dictionary, Vol. I (1786) +>Every Dabbler knows by his Classics, that it was pursu'd and prais'd with the Heighth of Liberty, boy love ever was the top refinement of most enlightened ages. +Thomas Cannon, Ancient and Modern Pederasty Investigated and Exemplify'd (1749) +>Who it was that first introduced the custom of loving boys into Greece, is uncertain: however we find it generally practised by the ancient Grecians, and that not only in private, but by the public allowance and encouragement of their laws; for they thought there could be no means more effectual to excite their youth to noble undertakings, nor any greater security to their commonwealths, than this generous passion. +John Potter, Archaeologia graeca (1698) +>Sure there was a great dearth of beautie in those dayes amongst women when boyes and catamites were so doted on by men. +Thomas Heywood, Gynaikeion (1624) +>They were addicted to the love of boys, and one of their wise men made a law that pederasty should not be allowed to slaves, as if it was an honorable thing, and they had houses for this purpose, in which it was openly practiced. +John Chrysostom, Homily 5 on Titus (390) +--- 21953897 +that face produces a strong feeling of aversion and mistrust in me +--- 21953942 +>>21953664 +>>21953683 +Would wife +--- 21954440 +>>21953683 + +Fucking delicious for 52. She should do only fans, that's the most empowering thing for women these days. +--- 21954929 +What's up with the grannyfuckers ITT? It's weird to find old wrinkly women hot dude, especially if they're vindictive feminists +--- 21955045 +>>21954929 +>52 +>granny +Anyways we’re just men of finer tastes, at least we’ll still be having great sex when our wives will turn 50, while you’ll be miserable and unsucessfully trying to cheat on yours with 25 yos +--- 21955153 +>>21955045 +>we’ll still be having great sex when our wives will turn 50 +--- 21955193 +>>21950580 (OP) +Is that an AI generated image of a female version of Elon Musk? +--- 21955472 +I’d love to have emily as my wife. +>LE BUT THAT MEANS YOU AGREE WITH HER TRANSLATION +Nope, i’m purely talking physical attractiveness and personality. Seems like a fun and intelligent person. +--- 21955487 +>>21954929 +She's cute. +>>21955045 +Based refined sensibilities +>>21955472 +Her translation is good I'm gonna say it. I especially like the last line here, and she's right that other translations which don't conform to the line length get super long and, in places, unwieldy + +Now pass me some canapés +--- 21955502 +>>21955487 +>Now goddess, child of Zeus, tell the old story for our modern times. Find the beginning. +Chills +>Of these things, goddess, daughter of Zeus, beginning where thou wilt, tell thou even unto us. +Ills +>from some point here, goddess, child of Zeus, speak and begin our story +Again, not as good +--- 21955509 +>>21954929 +Tfw met a 62 year old new grandmother recently who was quite attractive +--- 21955512 +>>21954929 +>It's weird to find old wrinkly women hot dude +No it isn't, it's normal to feel attracted to Mature independent women who know what they want in life, You know what isn't normal? Feeling attracted to childish women in their twenties who talk and act like teenagers. +--- 21955518 +>>21955512 +Granny enjoyers itt status: completely fucking vindicated +--- 21955550 +>>21950580 (OP) +Book Mommy, read me a bedtime story. +--- 21955558 +>>21955502 +>>>/r/eddit +>>>/out/ +--- 21955567 +>>21951526 +A Greek man would lose all political rights if it was found out that he was sodomised, even if it was against his will or as a child. They thought anal sex unavoidably led to mental illness. The “gay stuff” they did was brothers in arms hugging/kissing. It’s easy to type “lol gay lmao” when it’s already an established meme. +--- 21955575 +>>21955512 +>women in their twenties +Too old +--- 21955580 +>>21950580 (OP) +A lifting, I hope. +--- 21955612 +>>21954929 + +In school I had a hot English teacher, she was probably late 30s then so mid 50s now. She was pretty much the only teacher in school who gave a fuck about me. Used give me extra time on shit, because I'm an ADHD moron. Anyway thanks to her subtle flirting I started enjoying reading, a lot... + +Nothing ever happened, but I remember having to read in a back room after school to get the marks or I was going to fail that class and the whole year because of it. She'd come and make sure I wasn't fucking around and there was something in the air when she came in. Damn. + +She was smoking hot then, and she's the principle now and looks like that >>21955518 +--- 21955619 +Lattimore>Fitzgerald>Tyrone>Fagles>Wilson +--- 21955620 +>>21955575 +For who, no one but the deranged pedophile. Drown yourself. +--- 21955666 +>>21955620 +Liking prime 18 year old puss is not degenerate, being a grannychaser nigger is. simple as +--- 21955679 +>>21955666 + +It is possible to like both. +--- 21955784 +>>21955666 +18 to 28 is usually the general standard “prime” you dip. + +>>21955679 +He’s just being an edgy pedo +--- 21955871 +>>21955679 +Never knew anyone who liked both +--- 21955964 +>>21955871 +>I never knew anyone who liked both 18 year old women and women in their 20s and 30s + +Nigga… just… +--- 21956189 +>>21955567 +>A Greek man would lose all political rights if it was found out that he was sodomised, even if it was against his will or as a child. +Misinterpretation of Aeschines’ oration ‘Against Timarchos’. You lose political rights for being a prostitute, not for being sodomised. Aeschines makes this very clear. He even says that he himself has had homosexual love affairs, says that Solon permitted pederasty to the free and not to slaves in order to put it in the category of worthy things, and argues that Achilles and Patroclus were ‘erotic lovers’. ‘Brothers in arms’ do not typically stick their cocks between each others thighs, as we see depicted on Greek vases and as we are told by Aeschylus that Achilles and Patroclus had sex. Please read the Greeks. +--- 21956192 +>>21955784 +>38 to 68 is usually the general standard “prime” +Ftfy diff --git a/lit/21950795.txt b/lit/21950795.txt index c7e8f5f68565219fe1abb86af853dfe626e496ba..31255968da57bf780be907c70da48b6c8db02ee7 100644 --- a/lit/21950795.txt +++ b/lit/21950795.txt @@ -49,3 +49,64 @@ He's the Lebron James of literature. --- 21953494 >>21953484 Could you give a de-negrified example? +--- 21954654 +>>21950795 (OP) +Good take, op +--- 21954910 +>>21950795 (OP) +Name a single important observation +--- 21954954 +Wagner was the one who really explained Shakespeare the best: +>At anyrate we believe we shall really expedite the solution of an extremely difficult problem if we define the Shakespearian Drama as a fixed mimetic improvisation of the highest poetic worth. +--- 21954995 +The play is not that which manifests his genius but indeed the sonnets. +--- 21955015 +>>21950848 +othello is maghrebi, not black. black people were virtually unseen in europe at the time and certainly were not put in high ranking military positions. the idea itself is preposterous, and it was a drama not a comedy. in fact there was only one in all history (mulatto son of french aristocrat in late 1700s) +--- 21955022 +>>21950795 (OP) +True I have always preferred Pinter and Beckett as far as brits/micks go. Shakespeare is normie chick flick equivalent goyslop +--- 21955080 +>>21954910 +>Hamlet +Preoccupation with and fear of death generally manifests itself as detachment from life and boredom designed to conceal the extent of one's fear from oneself and others. For such a person, a brush with and confrontation with the reality of death will rapidly move them to action +--- 21955282 +>>21955080 +>rapidly move them to action +Doesn’t sound like Hamlet then +--- 21955455 +>>21955282 +As soon as he gets done with the pirates he confronts the king and ophelia's brother +--- 21955506 +Hamlet stabbed like 5 people because a ghost told him to which is pretty fucking based +--- 21955584 +>>21950795 (OP) +>muh psychological insight +Kys +--- 21955674 +>>21950795 (OP) +Hamlet made me realize how much I hate my mother +--- 21955683 +>>21955584 +I am positive that whatever position you hold on the value of literature, it's utterly fucking retarded +--- 21955762 +>>21955080 +but rapidly acting is the exact opposite of hamlet's character, it's kind of the whole point +--- 21955770 +>>21955762 +>a brush with and confrontation with the reality of death +I'm referring to the fact that his interaction with the pirates changed his relationship with death and motivated him to confront his uncle. It's the whole point of his soliloquy with the skull +--- 21956779 +>>21950795 (OP) +I recently read a bunch of his plays (long time after hs) and it's pretty evident he was a genius. Very, very few pieces measure up to even his worst works, it's actually mind-boggling. I'm glad I gave him another chance after not appreciating him before. +--- 21956834 +Why yes, l will bump you with pre-Rafaelites. +--- 21956877 +>>21956834 +--- 21956968 +James Joyce was based and fucked with academics on purpose, in my opinion to point out how ridiculous they've become, but literary innovations? What? Stream of consciousness, maybe? What else? Shakespeare reigns supreme over all. +--- 21957523 +>>21950795 (OP) +>People aren't interested in Shakespeare because they're interested in plays. They're interested in him because they're interested in genius. People who look to him for Joycian literary innovation are barking up the wrong tree, and it makes sense that they wouldn't appreciate him. + +Only a randian boomer or quantum coach would be interested in Shakespeare for his genius. Define genius. Genius on literature without literary parameters? Do you have parameters for the depths of a soul? Will you use a ruler? Shakespeare's structures and themes are not his impressives qualities, they frequently are stolen or heavily inspired. But there is one sense that no one ever produced a text as rich as his: metaphors, similes and vocabulary — the shakespearean textual texture is unparalled in human history. The diverse beauty of the poetry in his plays. diff --git a/lit/21951032.txt b/lit/21951032.txt index 8873bb5ac0526b8d5c2be53cb24ff0c531c2ebb8..4bc1f25e7e804d8f35c3b58b85c8004e4be5e1cf 100644 --- a/lit/21951032.txt +++ b/lit/21951032.txt @@ -110,3 +110,89 @@ Sir? >>21952772 >department in fucking Lebanon Based Brassier +--- 21954864 +C O S M I C + +U + +C + +K + +O + +L + +D +--- 21955447 +>>21953544 +if 'being a total failure' is 'based' then yeah. these dudes are losers whose only audience is internet retards because no one with training takes them seriously, they're immediately recognizable as boring hacks... hence all the sour grapes in their "passages" +--- 21955451 +>>21953544 +Didn't Lebanon all but collapse in recent years? How's he holding up? Seems like being there would be far more extreme than Land's China-trip. +--- 21955543 +>>21955447 +>being this mad that people actually want to read a philosopher +Lol. Talk about sour grapes... +--- 21955552 +>>21953208 +I dont even agree with Brassier or Laruelle about anything, your personality is just basically the equivalent of garbage overheating in the sun. It manages to be pathetic and feeble while also completely unlikable and rancid, its almost impressive how bad it is +--- 21955566 +>>21955447 +>if 'being a total failure' is 'based' then yeah. these dudes are losers whose only audience is internet retards because no one with training takes them seriously, +Kek, Brassier published a statement in which he basically called blogoshpere retarded and said that you can't expect serious Philosophical discourse from those shitholes. Whatever you say they're considered "cool" philosophers and they have way more influence over millennials and zoomers than any other boomer philosophers. Lebanon is a beautiful country with a kino culture which is currently going through hard times. For the record I am not Lebanese or middle eastern. + +You're a faggot seething for no reason. + +>>21955451 +Yes, and after the collapse Brassier didn't left Lebanon and his students because he is not a pussy. +--- 21955611 +The worst aspects of modern philosophy in the Continent are generally traceable back to Heidegger, especially his late work. The attempt to make a complete break with all previous philosophy. Every new philosopher trying to show how he is actually the first one who manage to truly escape Platonism. The abundance of neologisms. Purple prose. Viewing clear writing as naive or boring or old fashioned. +--- 21955690 +>>21955611 +be careful you might trigger the big tough internet philosophers, and they might call you mean names like "Garbage" and "faggot". It's almost like reading garbage fake philosophy written by failures for failures is not a good way to become a thoughtful articulate person... +--- 21955699 +>>21955566 +>they're considered "cool philosophers" +hahahaha by who? random subliterates on the internet? +--- 21955714 +>>21955690 +You havent said literally a single coherent thing about any philosophical idea so whatever training you've had only served to make you bitter and repulsive. +--- 21955726 +>>21955699 +Nobody will ever care about any opinions you have about philosophy lmao. You will always be an ugly, unlikable, irrelevant dumbass +--- 21955799 +>>21955726 +oh i dont care about philosophy. i'm more into like, anti-philosophy, and non-philosophy, and conta-philosophy, and nega-philosophy, etc. So the les respect I get for my philosophical opinions the better, because I am doing the opposite of it. + +>>21955714 +oh I was anti-trained in non-philosophy to say incoherent things. it's like this really cool idea that i read about on the internet, all the kids are really into it. +--- 21955814 +>>21955690 +Define success and please show me the successful philosophers who write for the successful? +--- 21955818 +>>21955799 +The reason it's so obvious that you're ugly is the combination of the timidity and unwillingness to directly confront with the seething jealousy and status anxiety. It just so clearly indicates that you look disgusting. Unfortunately you also appear to be socially retarded so you cant even make up for it +--- 21955833 +>>21955818 +Not him but you sound like a psychopath +--- 21955838 +>>21955566 +He can think that, all the while academia becomes more and more bogged down by bureaucracy. The only creative ideas are coming out of those “shitholes”, like it or not +--- 21955866 +>>21955818 +Dog is this your first time being trolled on 4chan or what? Unironically go back to r-ddit hahahaha weird ass motherfucker. crazy you can read all this really smart philosophy but can't figure out that people will fuck with nerds on the internet and make them mad. + +oh wait, maybe you're doing like a, non-posting kind of thing where you deconstruct the archeology of the being of posting and that's why you're acting like a big whiny baby +--- 21955872 +>>21955866 +You know youre ugly and people dont like you. You can't even affect aloofness properly because you've been seething about Ray Brassier for like 24 hours on 4chan so it just appears ridiculous +--- 21956047 +>>21955872 +dude you're soooo mad. how ugly am i? can you draw me a picture of what you think i look like? +--- 21957214 +>laruelle thread hijacked by a seething "in english, einstein" shitwit +--- 21957397 +>>21957214 +>Within the ideal field or the universal horizon that form Ideas, or even in the real-ideal field that forms Being, thinking the One as it is is a contradiction that is resolved by the reduction of the One if not to the Idea, at least to the systems of Ideas or Being, because, then, it is only a Superior Idea or the superior form of Ideas, the transcendence of Ideas towards-itself-as-towards-their-system or “the same.” However, to really think the One beyond Ideas as such is no longer a contradiction: it is to reclaim a knowledge that exceeds the sphere of thought where the contradiction is possible, where its conditions to be evoked and resolved (its relativity, the relative unity of contraries) are excluded. +this shit makes fun of itself, no seething shitwit needed diff --git a/lit/21951420.txt b/lit/21951420.txt index fa3fc104a02940ce57293189fbaef7f8cf7559cf..16b8378d2b5764215d36e5735f4c32eb6e41aff0 100644 --- a/lit/21951420.txt +++ b/lit/21951420.txt @@ -171,3 +171,284 @@ Yeah, I'm calling midwit. Not gonna bother with your videos mate. --- 21953700 >>21951420 (OP) I already knew this +--- 21953791 +>>21952681 +As someone who's studied in a physical science faculty I can say your view is complete bullshit. You are fundamentally clueless. +--- 21953808 +>>21951420 (OP) +Can nothing be pregnant with something? No, to be pregnant with something is to be something and thus not nothing. Since everything's pregnant with something, there is no nothing. +--- 21953824 +>>21951420 (OP) +I was right again you fucks. +--- 21953887 +>>21953791 +>As someone who's studied in a physical science faculty I can say your view is complete bullshit. You are fundamentally clueless. +You're saying I'm wrong that academic respond with new ideas with childish hostility? ha, but you missed the point and you did respond with chilidish hostility when the observation wasn't even about you. + +We're talking about the disconnect between mainline philosophy and the material sciences. You want to muddy the subject by derailing into personal attacks as usual with your type. +--- 21953946 +>>21953791 +As someone who's studied in a physical science faculty I can say your view is complete bullshit. You are fundamentally clueless, Mr. Semmelweis. + +Also [everything we're currently doing today] I will support wholeheartedly and insult anyone who questions it, tomorrow when [we're shown to have been dangerously incompetent for doing what we're currently doing today] I will ignore what happened and continue to insult anyone who questions something else that we're doing. The idea to investigate a thing or discuss amicably is unknown to me, for people who say unbiased investigation is science they're clueless. Trust me. I am a priest who is peer approved as an authority due to my ability to rote-recall a series of dogmas. +--- 21953988 +>>21951420 (OP) +>particles can come from nothing +i cant wait for fatties to use this as justification for their weight gain +--- 21953997 +>>21951420 (OP) +there is no disconnect. science is regularly confirming conventional wisdom and theology. only fools don't understand this +--- 21954013 +pop science nonsense is 80 iq magnet + +listen, i have some formal education in mathematics and physics and let me tell you: +serious physicists are all working in trillion dollar industries such as semiconductors, nuclear and aeronautics +pop science gossip is for literal retards who couldnt DO the science +philosophers, lawyers, political scientists, journos, these are all gossip bitches, gossip retards who go to their grave without ever publishing ANYTHING with any predictive power, without ever proving anything, measuring anything, practicing anything reliable, tested, proven.. +they are no better than other retards in welfare jobs and service industry, you know, those mental cripples who serve fast food, and just like them they are paid nothing because they produce nothing, they are not people, they are not serious humans, they are bloatware of society, and all they do is fucking gossip +--- 21954044 +>>21951420 (OP) +>Big Think +and +>"Nothing" Doesn't Exist +>Particles can come from nothing +--- 21954081 +>>21953997 +name 5 times this has happened +--- 21954102 +>>21954081 +>center of the earth is made out of fire (literally hell) +>the flood is a confirmed historical event +>quantum physics confirm the existence of Platonic forms/holographic model of the universe +i can't name two more but i've already made my point +--- 21954103 +>>21952872 +>What created the quantum soup? +God/Brahman +--- 21954111 +>>21954102 +>>center of the earth is made out of fire (literally hell) +Deduced via Volcanos (also the source of the Abrahamic god) +>the flood is a confirmed historical event +Ancestral memory from the last Ice Age +>quantum physics confirm the existence of Platonic forms/holographic model of the universe +Ancient explanation for eye floaters, now obsoleted by modern optometry + +So far you have provided 3 examples of religion badly explaining science, not the other way around. +--- 21954224 +>>21952227 +>all evidence collected and all tests ever made pointed for those theories not being wrong +Humans can only get partial knowledge of a thing through testing so those theories basically have to be wrong from a TOE perspective. A "complete science" after Descartes is just not possible since hard consciousness exists. +--- 21954232 +>>21954111 +>So far you have provided 3 examples of religion badly explaining science, +No, he said: science is regularly confirming conventional wisdom and theology + +i.e. religion makes a thing up, science-priest takes penis of inferior human (we are all equal in gods eyes, except for jews who are superior) and confirms it in order to appease the mob. +--- 21954238 +>>21954224 +>. A "complete science" after Descartes is just not possible +(Are you) suggesting that, e.g. when you push the ball 99 times (and become able to predict the trajectory) it's a fluke, or that you've suddenly become drunk and can't trust yourself to understand what you'ere seeing anymore? I don't get the point of view that this is coming from ... +--- 21954254 +>>21951961 +I think he has a point though even if he sounds like an idiot. This is what common sense really looks like, whereas most people think common sense means "trust the science." +--- 21954318 +>>21953251 +So you're telling me we haven't progressed an inch since Aristotle? +--- 21954334 +>>21954254 +>whereas most people think common sense means "trust the science." +Science does not mean blind obedience to a dogma; "trust in the man", Science refers to the powers of prediction; "sci"(lit. to know, to see the future, "scry,"), if an institution calling itself 'scientific' is incapable of making consistently correct predictions (or refuses to self-correct when shown to inferior to someone who is able to predict consistently) then it's a dogmatic organization more resembling a religious or personality cult (around an icon or idol). As western academe came wholesale from Catholic Theological Centers (monastic university) it has been irrational dogmatic and existing to defend the [local business of the day] in its conduct for centuries by design. + +FUN PARADOX again, +Religious people who recognize this about western 'scientific institutions' cannot articulate the thing they recognize without having to decry religious dogmas which they themselves venerate. +--- 21954348 +>>21951461 +>anyone else's trust in these institutions is faith-based. +That goes without saying. Most people are evidently too retarded to notice this and get angry when you mention it as if you were accusing them of a terrible crime. Their ideas about the world are very superficial. +--- 21954349 +Look's like ether's back on the menu boys +--- 21954353 +>>21954348 +>Most people +>>21954254 +>most people +citation needed. + +again, see: >>21954334 +>if an institution calling itself 'scientific' is incapable of making consistently correct predictions (or refuses to self-correct when shown to inferior to someone who is able to predict consistently) then it's a dogmatic organization more resembling a religious or personality cult (around an icon or idol). +i.e. they're agreeing with you that the "western science theory" is not scientific. +--- 21954368 +>>21954334 +That's not the fun religious part though. The science doesn't matter and is meaningless without the man behind it, who is always religious in some way whether he believes correctly that matter doesn't exist or that people deserve the "right" to do a lot of stupid stuff like vote and mutilate themselves. You just end up getting these engineer personality types who so thoroughly repress their own consciousness that they forget they actually have these things called "will" and "drives" and attribute their entire being to le cold and rational intelligence. Everything they do is therefore completely rational which causes them to go into a seething frenzy when met with external incompatible humans. For them, intelligence is not one thing among many. +--- 21954384 +>>21954368 +>The science doesn't matter and is meaningless without the man behind it, +Fundamentally disagree with this; "any knowledge we possess has been derived from submission to the evidence from the study of a natural process," meaning that a human may concord to 'real science' in order to be correct and prosperous, or they don't. The processes in the material universe remain the same whether humans care to acknowledge them or not, is my point, so in many ways "the man (the peer reviewed consensus agreed opinion" is always irrelevant if it fails to concord to reality. +--- 21954385 +>>21954353 +I meant that most people literalky do not think that much if at all about the ideas they have and sense in the world. Nothing and something is only vaguely defined in their mind and mostly understood through negative reason. If everything was just a massive gray blob with no distinction to the furthest reaches of the universe would you say that something exists? Supposedly vaccuum doesn't exist, not a new philosophical theory and one actually held by the ancients. Therefore there is nothing that seperates this gray blob into coherent building blocks +--- 21954406 +>>21954384 +>The processes in the material universe remain the same whether humans care to acknowledge them or not, +Yes, and that's precisely why the man behind it, who actually chooses to do something with it, is what actually matters. Besides, I think some things will always remain beyond our understanding. There is after all no guarantee that even our senses sense the whole thing, ofc they don't sense the entire universe but only the tiniest fraction of it at a time, but whether we can sense the things as they truly are. +--- 21954413 +>>21954406 +Forgot to add that if that is the case then our understanding of the universe is in many ways composed of ideas that we ourselves have put there. +--- 21954445 +>>21954413 +>if that is the case then our understanding of the universe is in many ways composed of ideas that we ourselves have put there +We can show that's not true, not really I mean (yes, people will make-up nonsense), as: "any knowledge we possess has been derived from submission to the evidence from the study of a natural process," .... but I agree with you overall, >>21954406 it's just more the case that the real science is always violently opposed and that men today have come to call themselves 'scientists' in the same manner that men yesterday came to call themselves 'godly', in order to borrow from a societal sense of esteem and authority derived from the name. + +We could call it the "man in white coat" fallacy perhaps, as it would encompass theological and secular perpetrators of this, and the crowd-appeal inherent in the self-presentation of people like that. + +>>21954385 +>Therefore there is nothing that seperates this gray blob into coherent building blocks +Even if it were true, hypothetically (and i don't it is true), then this observation has no impact on us as humans; we're still organic creatures in a material universe and we're still in the position where if we fail to understand the coherency in "how to grow crops," for example, we're objectively going to suffer horribly. + +i.e. the individual is still either forced to choose; either: make the best of it or lose to those who either succeed at this or those who just exist to consume and leave a wasteland behind them. + +Civilization, then, is unchanged by the existential crisis of this question, +>If everything was just a massive gray blob with no distinction to the furthest reaches of the universe would you say that something exists? + +i.e. if you get sick you're still going to seek help to relieve the pain because you are a material monkey in a material world at the mercy of it. So it's wise to understand what 'it' is. +--- 21954593 +>>21951420 (OP) +Gravity's Rainbow +--- 21954630 +>>21951420 (OP) +https://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe +--- 21954639 +>>21952872 +--- 21954778 +>>21951980 +can you just tell me what happens when I die? + +can anyone? +--- 21954886 +>>21951420 (OP) +Parmenides was right and science fags should take note +--- 21955013 +>>21954778 +That would solve so many things, unfortunately we won't know for a long time. +--- 21955280 +>>21954238 +I've fucked your wife 99 times and you have never come home early and caught us, so basically it's impossible for you to ever catch us. +--- 21955304 +>>21951980 +>Is the arrow of time real +I truly don't get how physicists argue this other than the fact their brains are melted by platonic ideals. You're young, old, and die. What practical import would it make if that were reversed, staccato, or other flux? +--- 21955318 +>>21954778 +>what happens when I die? +Campers take your inventory +--- 21955482 +>>21953251 +>>21954318 +Good, people are finally realizing this again. +--- 21955523 +>>21954778 +Why would I spoil that for you... + +All I can say is turn around and run! +--- 21955859 +>Scientific materialism: the path to hell +>A critical examination of the premises, promises and plans of material science +http://www.occult-mysteries.org/scientific-materialism.html +>Why matter matters +>Separating fact from fancy in the theories of science about matter +http://www.occult-mysteries.org/why-matter-matters.html +>The weighty problem of Gravity +>We investigate the flaws in the scientific theories of gravity and the reasons why some scientists are looking for alternative theories to explain the workings of this mysterious force +http://www.occult-mysteries.org/gravity.html +>Gravitational waves make a big noise +>We examine the claims of science to have discovered so-called 'gravitational waves' and compare the speculations of scientists with the facts of occult science +http://www.occult-mysteries.org/gravitational-waves.html +>The Occult Aether +>An investigation of the ancient and modern theories about Aether compared and contrasted with the facts of Occult Science +>The Occult Sun +>We compare the speculative theories of material science with some of the little-known facts of occult science to reveal something of the hidden mysteries of the Sun. +http://www.occult-mysteries.org/occult-sun.html +--- 21955863 +>>21955859 +Forgot Aether link +http://www.occult-mysteries.org/occult-aether.html +--- 21955875 +salty /x/ schizos criticize materialism because it is categorically superior to /x/ tier nonsense +simple as +when you are injured you go to a doctor, not to /x/ tier shamans +when you need transportation you look for an engineer, not for a philosopher or a priest +etc +fucking hell even when you look for entertainment and meaning, people started looking towards materialists because you other retards are categorically #btfo +--- 21955885 +>>21955859 +>occult science +nice gossip, but why arent these 'occult scientists' making engines, reactors, solving problems irl, etc? why isnt your science producing trillion dollars industries like nuclear, semiconductor, pharmaceutical etc? + +pro tip: you wont be able to reply without ad hominem +--- 21955927 +>>21954349 +>ether +Quantum Foam is more like the Dao or Ginnungagap than the ether. + +>>21953285 +There's evidence for the spontaneous generation and destruction of matter-antimatter particle couples in "void", and the evidence doesn't really allow for much else due to the size of the measurable effect. + +John Wheeler chose "foam" because it doesn't actually have "real" solidity, and is constantly moving, btw. +--- 21956053 +>>21954778 +Your consciousness comes to an end. It's pretty straightforward based on the available evidence. +--- 21956065 +>>21955304 +Hawking actually addresses this in A Brief History of Time and makes a convincing argument for why the arrow of time must proceed as it does, I'd have to look it up to get it accurately but it was pretty interesting. More interesting is the fact that "in time" is kind of the wrong way to think about it. Time is more like a quality of space and matter, but that's a bit to hard for our minds to conceptualize properly so we just think of it as another physical space, as if we are on a tram line heading down tracks where we look behind us and ahead of us. +--- 21956381 +>>21956065 +This is an incredibly brief summation, but: we do not live in 4D euclidean spacetime, we live in 4D minkowski spacetime. + +Euclidean: A^2+B^2+C^2+D^2=E^2 +Minkoswki: A^2+B^2+C^2-D^2=E^2 + +A, B, and C are spatial axes, D is the temporal axis (this is a gross simplification). This is also why there is a "speed of light". +--- 21956458 +>>21952872 +it was not created, it always existed +--- 21956464 +>>21953254 +those equations make predictions that can be tested in reality +--- 21956496 +>>21955885 +>nice gossip +It's not worth having a discussion with someone who replies like this. +Pro tip: have a nice day +--- 21956529 +>>21955927 +>more like the Dao or Ginnungagap +Or the greek Chaos +Hesiod and the poets were right all along +--- 21957041 +>>21952681 +>'fake intellectuals' who are petulantly hostile to inquiry or improvement upon things or discoveries. +It's not that they are hostile to inquiry. The problem is that you, and millions like you, know absolutely nothing about their field, read one headline without even understanding what it's saying, then come up with some "gotcha!" that you think is a flaw debunking the entire theory. They've thought of it. They have an explanation for it. But you aren't interested in an explanation, because your goal is to disprove something you don't understand rather than to actually get an answer, and even if you were interested in an answer, you don't have the requisite knowledge to understand the answer. +--- 21957054 +>>21951420 (OP) +Parmenides chads… we won +--- 21957100 +>Ctrl+f whitehead +>0 +This board keeps getting retardeder. +It's already been reconciled, OP. +--- 21957236 +>>21951980 +cause and effect is a logical issue, not a physics one +--- 21957507 +>>21951420 (OP) +issue is you either have scientists with no background in philosophy, or philosophers with no capacity for quantum science, someone would need to be disciplined in both and be brilliant on top of that +--- 21957527 +>>21957100 +>ctrl+f guenon +>1 +Nah, it's not too bad. +--- 21957531 +>>21955885 +>why isnt your science producing trillion dollars industries like nuclear, semiconductor, pharmaceutical etc? +Yeah I dunno, maybe because it is not evil, not imbued with the spirit of the Jewish golem? diff --git a/lit/21951502.txt b/lit/21951502.txt index d15b3814a2d7e4cacc3d40c4f60794c4f0b8c936..b7203ca4b7c79e5bb6294354dcc086ced00e06c6 100644 --- a/lit/21951502.txt +++ b/lit/21951502.txt @@ -195,3 +195,253 @@ Yeah you know, I think the jerk store might be hiring --- 21953477 >>21951800 You probably bitch about boomers having it good, but what you are describing is basically what they did. You think you are some kind of hero? OK then, go fight for Azov and be the nazi you think you are. I'll send some extra BTC to them if you do it. +--- 21953790 +>>21951502 (OP) +i studied something with good job prospects but then studying philosophy gave me an excuse to not improve my interview skills as a result my job prospects dwindled +philosophy must be a killer of job prospects +--- 21953815 +>>21951502 (OP) +I consider having a job a violation and very loserlike, fundamentally, and hence, having bad job prospects is a boon. What I did end up doing with my double major in philosophy and comparative literature is teach at university part-time, and I like it. I'm comfortably lower middle class on my single income, and for part-time work, that makes me happy. Fulll-time employment makes me want to kill myself. I will invariably start abusing hard drugs within 14 days of having full-time employment. + +With that said, philosophy is completely fine. Third-highest IQ of all majors, surpassed only by physics and mathematics (but even here, philosophy has much higher verbal IQ, which is what matters in non-technical jobs), and philosophy majors end up with the highest pay of all humanities graduates, outranking almost all social science majors, and even a few of the STEM majors. + +But none of it means shit for (You) in particular. You will see losers with philosophy degrees because some losers are attracted to the dude weed lmao aspect of philosophy. If you are one of these people, the degree is not what makes you a failure. You will see very succesful philosophy majors who succeed because of their IQ and drive. If you are one of these people, the degree does not matter, and you will likely succeed regardless. + +Just stop worrying so much and realize that selling your soul for an upper middle-class wage is the greatest crime you can commit towards yourself. +--- 21953841 +>>21951502 (OP) +I literally work at the EU Commission with only a Master in Philosophy. +Worked in Reinsurance beforehand as well. + +Phil degrees arent useless. Its just you who is a retard at making it in the business and political world. Unironically not even joking. 90% of my degree friends are like you, only working at clubs and bars or in theatres now, but that <10% do more interesting stuff than almost all Law, economics, etc majors. +And no, I am not from an Anglo country where degrees are somewhat superficial. +--- 21953847 +>>21951502 (OP) +Don't care. Didn't double major in Philosophy and English lit for a job, I did it purely out of intellectual interest and a desire to be cultured in the traditional western sense. + +If I can't get an academic job i'll go back to being a security guard, except i'll take a monitoring job or other job where I can spend all my time reading philosophy and writing either Philosophy papers or my novels. + +Before uni, I used to work as a security guard, my job was to stand in front of the store and not move for 8 hours a day. Over time, I felt a hole grow inside me, a yearning for something. + +When the bushfires hit, the place where I was had it coming in on all four fronts. And I thought to myself "If I survive this, i'm going to University, and i'm also going to wear a blue suit." I don't wear the suot yet because it would look a bit autistic as an undergrad, but i'm happy with my choice. + +I can live with poverty, isolation and a low social status. I can love with not having the things society says I should want to have. But what I can't love with, is knowing that I could have pursued a PhD in philosophy, that I could have pursued my dreams, what I can't live with is never having tried. + +>>21951738 +This, see Debord's Society of the Spectacle +--- 21953991 +>>21951502 (OP) +Lol, I went through the philosophical canon myself in my early to mid 20s and I know more about philosophy than any undergrad I've ever met. STEMfag and got a job straight away. +--- 21954009 +>>21953991 +> philosophical canon +>Never wrote a philosophy essay +>Hasn't read the current literature/papers +>Hasn't had the books he read put in academic context + +It's great that you read the canon, but there's a lot more to philosophy than that. +--- 21954052 +i went degreeless on a construction site to be a human mule +utterly and completely unskilled, bleeding blisters on both hands and feet +early 20ies +was making above average pay doing it too +learned welding and electrician trade on the job +took me a few months to get certified in both, fast track program, sponsored by construction company +mid 20ies, made more money than average humanities university professor with phd and everything +nearly 30 now, slowly thinking about retirement because i lived like im homeless and put everything extra i made into dax40 (euro fag) and sp500 +might go for a helicopter pilot licence now, idk, pure vanity project for me + +life is a simple fucking thing +get a real job (aerospace, semiconductors, pharmaceuticals, engineering degrees, medical degrees), get 6 digits starting, live a real life +retards, cripples and imbeciles study these fake degrees like humanities and serve fast food until they die, and then blame capitalism +too retarded for engineering? get a trade you fucking retard +gossip, babysitting excel files, corporate/academia buzzword isms, not producing anything, service 'industry', this is for women +women +fucking women, welfare jobs designed by politicians for women +if you are outside heavy industry, military or manufacturing, you never had a god damn fucking job because you never built or produced anything +not even post scarcity startreck sci fi society would have a use for the types like you, let alone living on earth + +you did this, enjoy pseudo welfare ghetto for 80 iq retards, i would rather kill myself than live your life +--- 21954100 +>>21954009 +I could write essays on certain neoplatonism niches or some parts of the transcendental philosophy. Average phil undergrad couldn't. And I never claimed to be a scholar anyway. Also being an academic =/= being a philosopher. There's a lot more to philosophy than being an academic too. Still, if I could go back to uni I would definitely study philosophy. +--- 21954255 +>>21951531 +good post +--- 21954265 +>>21951502 (OP) +Bit the bullet and went to law school. It's kind of related. I like the reading, writing and research aspect. The forced social aspect, however, kind of sucks. +--- 21954277 +>it's another humcel "hurr why dont i get a job that's 1:1 with the stuff i studied in uni????" thread +If you can't take the theory you learned and apply it to a pencil pusher job, then it's not even over, it never even began for you. +As a humcel, it's unironically easier to get a job since you have skills that codemonkey pajeets and business """""""""""school""""""""" sociopaths don't have. + +t. admin job at a private company as a religious studies BA and comparative literature MA +--- 21954364 +>>21954009 +Bit presumptuous saying he’s never written an essay or has never accessed academic papers on the topics he studies +--- 21954390 +>>21951677 +>Can't one just replace them with a camera and some basic AI image detection software? +1. CCTVs are just not worth it for small properties. When it's a big property, a CCTV system is more viable, but then you still need a dude sitting on the feed, even it it has some sort of automation system - paying one dude to sit and work out it's quirks on spot is still more viable than have it automatically dial 911 from spotting cats twice a night and paying associated fines. If anything, the advances in cameras and software make it more viable to have one guy sit on a centralized feed from multiple properties in a neighborhood, using automated recognition to better keep an eye on them all. +2. Even when you have a very good monitoring system - a guy snoozing at the guard desk dissuades dumbass robbers much better than an even a very advanced monitoring system. Yeah, the police will catch them after the break-in using your footage, but it's just more convinient if they see a guy at the desk and just don't bother. And you have a ton of money - the best option is to have an advanced monitoring system AND a guy at the guard post. +--- 21954436 +>>21951502 (OP) +I will go for a Phd and try to make it in academia. If nothing works out I can just study something else while taking a job. +--- 21954575 +all your philosophy/psychology/sociology/anthropology/political science/law/management/greeks/x/religion/whatever books have as much predictive power as gypsy fortune telling, and similar job prospects in entertainment, nepotism hires, diversity hires, gossip/service sector dead end minwage office drone type lives +unless you are reading engineering type books, and call yourself academic/intellectual, you are a fucking pseud +and the more phds you have in these gossip fields, the bigger retard you are +vanity degrees today are what soap operas were in the 50s, this shit is for unemployed housewives +--- 21954624 +>>21954575 +STEM degrees aren't practical anymore either, we have AI now. Nobody's knowledge based ego survives the near future. +--- 21954629 +>>21954575 +weak bait and too much text +--- 21954658 +>>21954575 +The scent here is very strong, im tempted to bite +--- 21954661 +>>21952102 +shut the fuck up, future parasite +--- 21954671 +>>21954575 +Proof that without an arts degree your ability to reason and express yourself coherently is dogshit. Fuck yourself and go back to sucking off STEM majors on /sci/ you retarded nigger. +--- 21954679 +>>21954624 +This +>STEM degrees aren't practical anymore either, we have AI now. + +A big part of what it means to be human is that we admire human being who accomplish something hard/solve hard problems, what if we surrender all the hard problems for AI to solve in the future. + +If that become the case what will be the driving force for our culture? Do we just live like Mollusks until we die? +--- 21954681 +>>21954100 +>average Phil undergrad couldn’t +I think you underestimate them. That is really elementary stuff. +--- 21954685 +>>21954681 +So what do philosophy students at prestigious institutions do? I mean what's really the meat of philosophical scholarship? Genuinely curious. +--- 21954690 +I have a diploma in economic studies and I'm jobless for years +--- 21954695 +>>21954681 +No, the majority of undergrads get taught a segment about Neoplatonism where they receive a rough idea of the hypostases, what they mean (in a very vague sense) and how they relate to humanity. This is the "elementary stuff" most undergrads can parrot out if you ask them, which really does not express much of the content of Plotinus's thought at all. If you asked them to elaborate on the relationship between the world soul, daimones, gods and the individual soul (how they all interrelate), most students wouldn't know how to answer it properly. At the very least they'd have to go back and study/cross-reference quite a few chapters from the Enneads to be able to give a coherent answer. +--- 21954746 +>>21951502 (OP) +you do not waste money to study lit and philosophy at uni, especially not for a degree lol you only go to uni to study STEM to get practical experience in laboratories for future jobs, you can study on your own, most lectures are on yt and the best unis course literature can be found on their sites so just download the books. Unless you are 100% determined that you want to go for a phd in literature/phil then go for it. +Majored in chemistry with a master in analytical chemistry but I read more phil & litterature during my uni years. +--- 21954761 +>>21954052 +The thread dedicated to anons who studied philosophy/literature in uni. +--- 21954783 +>>21954265 +I wish I had went to law school when I was younger. +--- 21954792 +>>21953815 +I also took a job with my university after I graduated, no grad degree. I’m full-time but might switch to part-time soon. You’re definitely right that it’s better than having a conventional job, but now that I’m thirty I still feel like my whole life just went out the window. +--- 21954794 +>>21953477 +They filed physical documents in folders and file cabinets until the late 90s. You have no idea what you’re talking about. And stop projecting. +--- 21954804 +>>21952167 +Wish I could say the same. I persevered for 6 years to get a degree and it’s only made me miserable. It taught me nothing. You’re happy because you pursued your interest, music, and not because you went to school. +--- 21954811 +>>21951531 +You have two routes in life towards a high quality of life in a scarce environment (reality) +Conformism or Entepreneurism +If you are going to confirm, you have to strive to attain the highest conformity possible. I.e. in a Capitalist system, you should be conforming as tightly to the principals of market value as possible. Ergo, go to college to get a competitive job. +If you are going to be an Entrepreneur, you need to strive to abuse the tendencies of the system as much as possible. So in a capitalist system if you wish to be a scholar, you need to abuse the market's bias towards signaling with money as hard as possible to subsidize your non-conformity. +Starving artists and welfare babies are losers and their inability to navigate the social order are demonstrations of their personal failures, nothing more. +--- 21954905 +>>21954811 +>he bought into the system +Sure calling people losers based on their "success" in the system makes you cool! +--- 21954926 +>>21951897 +>joyjack.png +--- 21955028 +>>21954811 +>If you are going to be an Entrepreneur, you need to strive to abuse the tendencies of the system as much as possible. So in a capitalist system if you wish to be a scholar, you need to abuse the market's bias towards signaling with money as hard as possible to subsidize your non-conformity. +What does this even mean? +--- 21955098 +>>21953815 +>two bachelor degrees +>teach at a university +Ok +--- 21955181 +I didn’t study philosophy and got a competitive first job that ended badly for me, from which I never recovered. The moral of the story is that it doesn’t matter what you study. Things can not work out for you regardless. +--- 21955271 +>>21954905 +t. Loser +If you can't 'fit in' to the current system you wouldn't have been able to 'fit in' to any system. The whole of society is padded to help you tumble neatly into a functioning role and you still managed to fuck up. + +>>21955028 +I'll dumb it down for you. +In a capitalist system people give money to things they like. If you're not going to work in an industry or service that gives people things they think they need (or really do need) then you need to get people to think they like you so they will give you the money to subsidize your continued non-productivity. +In a socialist system the signaling might be biased towards social class rather than personal attractiveness. In a theological society signaling is tied to religiosity. These societies still all signal using monetary resources because capitalism is the basic descriptor of human behavioral patterns in the face of scarce resources, but every culture and even subculture has different values. +Tl;Dr all capitalism is marketing +--- 21955272 +>>21951738 +You're right, but by the time I realized this I was already $50k in debt and needed a job. Welcome to civilization, either slave away your life doing something you would never do or be a slave. +--- 21956693 +>>21951665 +>become comfortable discussing issues that require care and patience. try to understand people and how they respond to your attempts at helping them solve problems. +how to git gud at this? asking for a fren +--- 21957175 +>>21951685 + +I has a decent time traveling until I was 25, working in ski towns. Wouldn't be financially feasible right now, was barely able to manage then. It's a shame for the kids today who have that dream that they cant. +--- 21957249 +>>21954052 + +I'm a roofer. It's pretty basic but I enjoy it enough. I'm a bit down and out at the moment but I think ill regroup myself and get back into it properly. + +I feel useful doing it. Considering I'm a dumbass that probably couldn't get a degree even If I tried, I finish work every day know society can't function without me doing my small part. +--- 21957272 +>>21951665 +what if i studied fine arts (at an actual university doing heavy theoretical work, not some craft college or animation "school"). is it over for me broe +--- 21957551 +>>21954792 +>but now that I’m thirty I still feel like my whole life just went out the window. +How so? + +>>21955098 +Double major in philosophy and comp. literature, with the master's in philosophy. Master's degrees are standard in my country (nordic) unless you went to tertiary school for engineering or vocation. +--- 21957556 +>>21951502 (OP) +>>>/adv/ +--- 21957596 +>>21951679 +like everywhere, just hooped the other day with an excon negro who works as one, i dont think candidate standards are very high +--- 21957717 +>>21954811 +>Starving artists and welfare babies are losers and their inability to navigate the social order are demonstrations of their personal failures, nothing more. +There is no other board that gives me such a strong feeling of the disproportion between anon's actual experiences and the way he speaks about things as much as /lit/ +--- 21957763 +>>21954804 +On the contrary, I'm not happy at all. I have no life outside of it. It's a hard thing to pursue, but I'm so far down the hole now that there isn't really any choice but to keep going. Yeah, it was something that I loved, but it has wore thin. +--- 21957793 +I'm not sure that anyone really finds a ton of meaning in their job. There is always a trade off: meaningful work is often brutal and burns you out, tedious work may pay less but is cushier. + +You could reject it all and travel the world but then you will reach your 30s and 40s and realise that having no savings, no skills and no stability sucks once you hit middle age. + +Everything has a trade off, which is why you will never find the correct answer in these threads. Unless you were born into limitless wealth then you will always have to sacrifice something. People who grind hard in their 20s often wish they'd had more fun in their youth once they hit their 30s. People who slacked off in their 20s often wish they had worked harder. It's true that the things that will provide your life meaning are your interpersonal relationships and your passions. If you can get to a point where your job leaves you enough energy to have relationships and indulge in your interests then youre doing ok. + +FYI I did a humanities degree and work in the government and yeah it's shit boring, but pretty much everyone I know has things they regret about their careers. There's no winning, life has always been miserable for the most part, you're not special in any historical sense, so pick your poison. +--- 21957797 +>>21957793 +>no stability sucks once you hit middle age. +Stability in midlife leads to midlife crises. +--- 21957804 +>>21951665 +this makes feel pretty good + +wagmi +--- 21957814 +>>21957797 +Sure. But your body and your life is going to slow down whether you want it to or not. There will reach an age where you want stability and it gets increasingly harder to gain that the older you get and the less skills you have. There are exceptions to every rule, so if you have a plan in mind go for it, but unless you plan to kill yourself there will be repercussions you have to deal with regardless of the path you take. +--- 21957830 +>>21957793 +Best post in here so far. I've somehow managed to combine both of these sides in my life so far: a few years grinding, a few years slacking, a few years grinding, and now slacking again but in a different country. By not fully committing to either I've so far avoided the worst parts of both, but have probably also avoided some of the best parts of both. That is to say, I'm not rich, but I'm not completely broke. My body is not in great shape, but I haven't destroyed it either. I haven't seen the entire world, but I've seen more than I expected I would. My resume isn't particularly impressive, but I'm not a NEET either. Hopefully I'll be able to pivot into government work or something in the future, or even just be a teacher. I'm fine with never being more than middle class or even lower-middle class, but I don't want to be impoverished. diff --git a/lit/21951933.txt b/lit/21951933.txt index fb07be8f5c0c1e9bfebc678505dbff77023b3fce..cbfdf189763306843025eb44e421c9608aed4434 100644 --- a/lit/21951933.txt +++ b/lit/21951933.txt @@ -119,3 +119,178 @@ no, i rented a room out to one a while back and he was literally proud of the fa --- 21953646 >>21953548 Same here man; I need to get the fuck off this site and read. +--- 21953832 +>>21953552 +Why thrillers and mysteries so popular among old people? +--- 21953848 +>>21951933 (OP) +Keith woods looks like the son of Joti Brar, she is the leader of ML Communist British party. + +Fascist and Tankies are literally same +--- 21953924 +>>21951933 (OP) +God I love this twink. +--- 21953999 +>>21951933 (OP) +nope +>t. one of those zoomers who does +--- 21954359 +>>21952155 +This. And reading classics only for the sake of reading them, or reading them to appear smart when you have no life experience or wisdom to really understand them is stupid and a waste of time. Modern kids definitely lack that wisdom and they might as well stick to cheesy YA fiction until the are older. + +t. had to read classic literature in high school +--- 21954373 +>>21951933 (OP) +there are like 4-5 friends of mine who i would say read as much as i do or more, and they’re all people i grew up with but we’re all scattered about the world now +feelsbad having to find a new circle in Austin, where everyone’s favorite “indie bookstore” is just a glorified Barnes and Noble and there are virtually no used bookstores +--- 21954376 +>>21951933 (OP) +I’m 28 and I just re entered for an undergrad. +What I’ve noticed is that zoomers signal with books a lot more - I think it’s an influence of that “dark academia” aesthetic but people will make throw away references to literature that I didn’t hear 18-21 year olds make when I was that age. +However in the majority of cases it seems to be just that - an empty signal. This isn’t a book but I know a girl who models herself after Rei from NGE despite having not watched the actual anime: she was just that influenced by memes. +That seems to be the general flavor: Jane Austen gets talked about a lot but I’m convinced they are only watching the movies (and not even the older AE costume dramas but the 2000s 90 minute affairs). They take everything in Pride & Prejudice, for example, at surface level - they idealize those Regency Balls and fancy dress parties which Austen was lambasting. It’s a dress-up party for them, not something to engage with on any deep level. +--- 21954383 +>>21952155 +>i would say about as many people read classics now as they used to before +Rabidly delusional take +--- 21954401 +>>21951933 (OP) +kek @ that bottom feeding bitch pseud + +>>21951963 +Yeah that's basically what it is +--- 21954409 +>>21952354 +>>21954376 +Just to give an idea where this opinion is coming from - +I’m this poster and I read Anthony Doerr’s “All the Light We Cannot See,” Waugh’s “Brideshead Revisited,” Mandelbaun’s translation of Ovid’s Metamorphoses, and Malinowski’s “Argonauts of the Western Pacific” this month, along with a Japanese poetry compilation called the 若菜集. +--- 21954417 +>>21952060 +Anon contra mundum. +--- 21954422 +>>21951933 (OP) +>>21954359 +>shitty young-adult fiction. +Do you really want them reading that shit? Even the shittiest game has a better story than half those books written by old roasties. +>>21954376 +As a third year, yeah none of them read. If they actually read, they wouldn't be acting so snarky to one another. Part of me wonders if it'd be better if they did truly fawn over actually reading instead of hobbies that used to belong to otaku. That seems like the better outcome. +--- 21954425 +>>21953832 +I’ve wondered this too, both my parents were ambitious readers when they were younger, and they still read constantly but it’s all detective books. I’m probably extending them goodwill because they’re my parents, but I think you get to a certain age and it becomes hard to deal with power fantasy protagonists or “grabbing muh youth” for the thousandth time. +Detective novels have a pretty interesting voice and a very broad scope. I think they appeal to lifelong readers with a large index of references in their head and a varied set of interests. +--- 21954516 +>>21951933 (OP) +I am a zoomer and I read. As far as the other ones in my area, they are either women who read garbage YA fiction and bad poetry (rupi kaur, etc.) or they don't read. I know one other person my age who reads things that aren't the aforementioned. +--- 21954543 +>>21952386 +I went to a majority negro school and nobody read shit. +Now I see news about a reduction in school work to placate under performing students. There is no way zoomers read more under current school admin. And not by their own devices. PoC dont read, and zoomers are more PoC than any other gen before. +--- 21954549 +>>21952155 +>did young people in other generations read classic literature? +Yes, at least those among the educated (comparing moderns to historical peasants is a false equivalence no matter how low hanging the fruit) and the idea that they didn't is a hilarious projection. +--- 21954555 +>>21953548 +Screen detox, go outside enjoy the day. Start training your attention span. It means you might need to suffer boredom but in boredom comes epithanies or reduction in standards of how to allievate said boredom. If you can focus read the page again, if you still cant retain the words try again later. +--- 21954570 +can any of you pseuds tell me the difference between reading and masturbation? + +all your philosophy/psychology/sociology/anthropology/political science/law/management/greeks/x/religion/whatever books have as much predictive power as gypsy fortune telling, and similar job prospects in entertainment, nepotism hires, diversity hires, gossip/service sector dead end minwage office drone type lives + +unless you are reading engineering type books, and call yourself academic/intellectual, you are a fucking pseud +and the more phds you have in these gossip fields, the bigger retard you are +vanity degrees today are what soap operas were in the 50s, this shit is for unemployed housewives +--- 21954584 +>>21951933 (OP) +does anyone read? +--- 21954596 +>>21954383 +How many boomers would read classics outside of education? They would read shit like Frank Herbet, Stephen King and maybe once in a blue moon read a Charles Dickens or Jane Austen novel. Strong interest in literature has always been niche outside of education. +--- 21954672 +>>21954570 +Have you ever thought maybe we just enjoy reading, you fucking histrionic? + +You’re the one reframing this as being about climbing a hierarchy - in my case at least that is the exact attitude that I find objectionable. +--- 21954687 +>>21954555 +I already go outside for some time or to the gym. Also my reading skill has improved a lot since I first started reading so more rarely I have to read again to understand something. It still happen but I'm sure that many times is because of bad writing. Admittedly I still struggle to focus and have to read again because of my attention span often enough, especially when something is boring but I don't know how to train myself in this. +--- 21954688 +>>21954555 +Better advice than anything I've read on this website. +--- 21954689 +>>21951933 (OP) +Zoomer here. Some of us are trying to read more but our attention spans are completely shot to shit so it's more difficult. + +>I know who are incredibly well-read in literature, philosophy, science, politics, history etc.. +as for that, memes and youtube are underrated educational tools +--- 21954699 +>>21954596 +As a counterexample, Umberto Eco’s Name of the Rose (a pretty dense piece of historical fiction) was apparently an absolute sensation on nearly the level of GoT when it released, you’d walk on a plane and everyone was reading it. Keep in mind that was in 1980, when the “not reading” slide had already started. + +Classics weren’t classics forever. With some notable exceptions like Gatsby, they were at one point just extremely popular contemporary works. This seems like a dumb thing to have to spell out but people seem to be perennially obtuse to the concept. On a tangent: I study music in university and people have the same disconnect about composers, Haydn and Mozart suffer from it the most. +--- 21954717 +>>21954689 +>why don’t the book go in +Complaining about your attention span is so incredibly cliché. + +>memes and youtube… +No. You are getting a summary, and someone else’s summary at that. +Not everyone has to read, but let’s not turn this into Pokémon. The point of novels is that they require time and boredom, not immediate gratification. There’s media for that. +Your problem isn’t your attention span, but your general attitude and expectations. Every person in the world has to deal with short-form media (and in spite of the common line, I believe older people are actually more susceptible) like TikTok and YouTube, and yet somehow books are still published - go figure. +--- 21954861 +>>21954689 +>as for that, memes and youtube are underrated educational tools +--- 21954862 +>>21951933 (OP) +I know a few Zoomers, and yeah, it's hard to get them to sit down and read something. But in all fairness, its hard to get them to sit down for anything. +>>21953556 +Those numbers are considerably less grim than I would expect, but there's always the risk of self-reporting bias in surveys. +And I don't really understand why low income folks don't read more, it's free entertainment if you get a library card. Has modern life and stress really destroyed our attention spans that much? +I'm making 30k, and I try to read at least a book a week. More, if audiobooks count. Mostly because I spend a lot of time walking around the lake, and a paper book would be a great way to get flattened by cyclists. +--- 21954887 +nope. they're all ADHD riddled retards who would rather watch a yootoober than read a book +--- 21954938 +>>21954570 +sure you might not be a psued but your development seems to have been stinted at some point. +--- 21955247 +I'm a 1999-zoomer, so I haven't been hit by the same loss of attention span as the younger ones. That said, I mostly don't read literature for pleasure anymore because I'm exhausted from working and studying all day. +--- 21955401 +>>21954687 +Well good then. You can try reading slower at dense passages. Reread. Or it could be a sign you need a break. +--- 21955404 +>>21954688 +Thank you. +--- 21955426 +>>21952155 +I think it’s slightly less than millennials, but for both gen z and millennials the education is so bad that none of them even suspect that they might like reading classic literature. +--- 21955449 +>touching Keith's slender white body +>playing with Keith's hair +>kissing Keith's mouth +>having Keith read you his latest essay in bed +--- 21955468 +>>21955449 +Me but it’s Sebastian Flyte +--- 21955755 +>>21951933 (OP) +Why does this guy suck so much at making thumbnails. It's always just some dumb still of his face from the video. He always looks so confused and insecure so no wonder he gets barely any views. +--- 21955759 +>>21951933 (OP) +I read. +t. 18 Y/O zoomzoom +--- 21955796 +>>21954862 +Low income people just want to take a bunch of pills and binge watch tv until they OD to escape life. +--- 21955804 +>>21955755 +Clickbait for twink lovers +--- 21955917 +>>21955449 +mmmmmmmm stop it you're waking my trout up.. +--- 21956048 +>>21951933 (OP) +Most zoomers are illiterate because widespread 'infotainment' tricks them thinking they don't have to compromise on their attention deficit (funnily enough they technically read more text than any other generation in history, it just can't be in one yome but soread out across tweets and articles) and that they don't have to put in the work doing the proper reading themselves. +With most zoomers like this there's no challenge to their perceived knowlege and understanding of subjects in their echo chambers so they don't feel pressured to be smarter. +--- 21957829 +>>21953832 +easy, light and fun - older people read more for entertainment diff --git a/lit/21952236.txt b/lit/21952236.txt index 8e3a48d566f4d2ad88ea0d70cd38b7cdc870bf4f..88f04d25d53a112cb543070dfe06c0209b1ed5b9 100644 --- a/lit/21952236.txt +++ b/lit/21952236.txt @@ -69,3 +69,132 @@ but usually thats how it goes anyways. most of these people lead miserable lives They don't, they hate him and they hate pessimism. --- 21953409 le bump +--- 21953882 +>>21952245 +Ligotti doesn't even have a horrific bone structure and he's not balding, he's just fat. He could literally hit the gym and improve his rating by like 3 points. +--- 21953899 +>>21952640 +Kek, Ligotti lived a successful by all means you fucking retard + +>He was born in upper middle class family in Detroit which served as a perfect muse for a weird fiction author +>Got a life long literary job in a publishing house. +>Man is one of these most critically acclaimed living author in fiction. +>He is one of 3 living american authors who got published by Penguin Classics alongside Pynchon and Delillo. +>Collaborated with Current93 and even released an album. +>Bram Stoker Award for Lifetime Achievement +--- 21953904 +>>21953899 +bait: taken +--- 21953905 +>>21953899 +--- 21953908 +>>21953904 +>I was pretending to be retarded +Yawn + +>21953905 +(You) +--- 21953912 +>>21953908 +cope +--- 21954007 +>>21952236 (OP) +Ironic that True Detective tried to refute him and the only thing that made the show interesting were his ideas, +--- 21954480 +>>21952362 +subjectivity =/= relativity +--- 21955065 +>>21954007 +true detective was retarded though. only used ligotti quotes because, per the creator's admission, it made cohle a more hard-boiled character than the typical cynic detective. and he only used robert chamber's yellow king because it sounded cooler than "they're satanists" +--- 21955150 +>>21952236 (OP) +>>>/pol/ +>>>/his/ + +faggots, shitting up the board +--- 21955187 +>>21952616 +No, he was quite handsome and athletic. Probably what made him so narcissistic. +--- 21955237 +>>21952236 (OP) +His short stories are good, his "philosophy" not so much +--- 21955291 +>>21953908 +The only retarded person here is you +--- 21955343 +>>21952236 (OP) +About what? +--- 21955474 +>>21955343 +About his opinions on WW2. +--- 21955515 +>>21955291 +Because I know Ligotti's biography rather than pulling bullshit out of my ass? Kys nigger +--- 21955519 +>>21955474 +Brutal blackpill + +>Madness, mayhem, erotic vandalism, devastation of innumerable souls - while we scream and perish, History licks a finger and turns the page. + +Ligotti +--- 21955939 +>>21955519 +The first time I read TCATHR I felt it was a tragedy. Now I realise just how goddamn funny it is, I literally howled with laughter! +--- 21955973 +>>21955939 +Based + +Ligotti has very subtle dark humor +--- 21956032 +>>21954007 +>>21955065 +There's a section in TCATHR lambasting pessimistic works of fiction for taking the easy way out. True Detective did exactly that. +--- 21956049 +>>21956032 +True detective was basically saying that pessimism is the result of a broken mind trying to cope with tragedy. Pizza obviously doesnt agree with Ligotti/early season Rust +--- 21956073 +>>21956049 +>saying that pessimism is the result of a broken mind trying to cope with tragedy +It can be. I know you likely understand how this doesn't invalidate the pessimistic viewpoint. If anything, look at the phenomena of PTSD. A man can return from witnessing and experiencing hellish scenarios. Upon his return he may have a good job, a family, and live relatively out of danger. The thing is, he never shakes the sense of "truth" in his experiences. He can leave everything behind but the new viewpoint. + +We consider that damage, but it might just be failure of insulating values. + +Ligotti covers this best in "This Degenerate Little Town." + +There are those among us +Who claim to have seen +This degenerate little town +Although they may be unaware +Of its true nature +There are those who have emerged +From some painful ordeal of the body +Or of the mind +And then begun speaking +Of how they saw in the distance +An outline of crooked houses +Tilting this way and that +Or walked along some twisted street +And felt the ground soft with decay +Beneath their steps +Or even glimpsed those diseased faces +Their skin rough and pale as plaster +Peeking from behind grimy windows +But those who claim to have seen such things +Always seem to tell a somewhat different story +Failing to compose a consistent picture +Of what they may have seen +Or imagine they have seen +And so we stare at them suspiciously + +For a moment +And then start to walk away +--- 21956111 +>>21956073 +Naturally it depends on whether you think life truly is awful or not. Since both perspectives accuse the other of delusion it's a bit of an impasse +--- 21956146 +>>21956111 +The best part about TCATHR is how often he promotes this message. +He makes David Benatar look about as silly as Tony Robbins. +--- 21956194 +>>21956146 +It's a very memorable book. The whole tone and atmosphere of it is weirdly comforting to me. I have sympathy for his perspective but I don't quite agree with his conclusion. I think he is right that reality is much worse than most people usually admit to themselves but I dont think this renders it "malignantly useless!" kek. It is still possible to view it in a light of redemption even if sort of tragic diff --git a/lit/21952429.txt b/lit/21952429.txt index ed77b0c066cd2a362bc317e50d65a95ed6ff0327..e4a6d8c593b026c11b599d955c5ee47653154540 100644 --- a/lit/21952429.txt +++ b/lit/21952429.txt @@ -73,3 +73,57 @@ I agree with this, pride and arrogance is a great moral sickness. Yes, that's when he descended to hell to pay for wasting the gift of life. > Nietzsche is the most aesthetic person to ever live. I get it, aesthetic here means "underage hedonists look up to him because they have no values of their own." For everyone else, this is aesthetically repulsive though. +--- 21953797 +>>21953690 +Because it's being played on synth... +--- 21953803 +>>21952429 (OP) +He looks like a nerd who isn't comfortable in the costume he's wearing. But that's probably because he was a masturbator. Everything else you said is true. +--- 21953818 +>>21953679 +Wagner understood Nietzsche perfectly, yet Nietzsche didn't understand Wagner. +--- 21954123 +>>21953818 +Wagner had no arguments against N besides calling him a masturbation addict (not true, by the way). +--- 21954145 +>>21953803 +>He looks like a nerd who isn't comfortable in the costume he's wearing. But that's probably because he was a masturbator. +Explain +--- 21954172 +>>21954123 +There were no "arguments", the Case of Wagner was published well after his death. Wagner was merely concerned about the well being of a friend, and made a suggestion +--- 21954323 +>>21952508 +Very funny +--- 21954608 +>>21952429 (OP) +>he ate fruit for all of us +HAHAHAHAHA +--- 21954622 +>>21952429 (OP) +>For starters, take a look at pic related. His mustache is fucking glorious. His posture is fantastic. His demeanor is one of the most noble you will ever see. He looks like the ruler of the world in this picture, and I would gladly lend my life to fighting for whatever cause he stood for. +The problem is he has chud physiognomy, visible in this very picture. +--- 21954936 +>>21952429 (OP) +Incredibly based +--- 21955012 +>>21953679 +The Wagners just sound like assholes here. +--- 21955147 +>>21953704 +>He is a slave to his principles +--- 21955170 +>>21952429 (OP) +>>>/pol/ +>>>/his/ + +faggots, shitting up the board +--- 21956600 +>>21955012 +That's only after Nietzsche viciously insulted them, and everything they believed in, in his published works. Nietzsche made himself Wagner's enemy, not the other way around. +--- 21956721 +>>21952447 +Looks like an old MySpace profile photo +--- 21957083 +>>21956600 +Maybe they shouldn't have been antisemitic christcucks? diff --git a/lit/21952474.txt b/lit/21952474.txt index 0ef6a32c555e9b7da53c31f725053492237557d9..a483497f2d756456f9dea351a4ab41422dd9ed37 100644 --- a/lit/21952474.txt +++ b/lit/21952474.txt @@ -446,3 +446,112 @@ What resistance would you prescribe, then? >>21953290 >BBC Normal people don't talk in your fetish terms, you disgusting freak. +--- 21953891 +>>21953561 +>Where in UK brother? +South Yorkshire m8 +--- 21953907 +>>21953561 +>I'm in Nottinghamshire. +>>21953891 +>South Yorkshire m8 +We're not too far actually kek +--- 21954104 +>>21952474 (OP) +She and Serrano were gateway drugs to Guenon and Evola for me. +Devi writes elegantly. With regard to doctrine, she keeps it simple, with a nice synthesis of Nietzsche and Hindu doctrines. She claims to be a "Hindu", but doesn't over commit to it like some crazed ISKCON convert. +Serrano waxes poetically, but is too kooky. His "metaphysics" are no metaphysics at all, but myth making. He's all over the place with everything from Theosophy, Jung, Nietzsche, Devi's Hitler worship, Gnosticism, Catharism, Vaishnavism, Shaivism, Buddhist and Hindu Tantras to UFOs... +Evola's style is more abstruse, but more comprehensive. He was more of an authentic scholar of comparative religion and was even known in some academic circles at some point before he was totally unpersonned (Eliade quoted him on occasion and the Buddhist Pali society lauded his book Doctrine of Awakening when it came out). He doesn't dabble much into fantasy or cult of personality like Serrano. More importantly he didn't shy away from politics and contemporary issues, from the Olympics to Jazz to philosophers like Sartre and Heidegger. +Guenon doesn't fancy himself a stylist, but an expounder of doctrines (a doctor, in the church sense). He doesn't do politics much; his books criticizing modernity are like applications of his doctrines to the time domain and don't stand out from his general ouvre. His doctrines are far more universal and can provide a metaphysical foundation for the other three where they seem to lack it. +--- 21954245 +>be savitri devi +>visit india +>see half naked malnourished brownoids shitting in the streets and bathing in poop rivers +>hmm yes these surely are the master race, after all they don’t eat cows + +Ah yes +--- 21954250 +>>21952991 +>white +>fit +>smart +>fight for the winning team +Why haven’t you taken the glowiepill, anon? +--- 21954412 +>>21953276 +>I watched a video about Russian female neonazis secretly taking BBC in porn +source. now. +--- 21954475 +>>21952597 +> Her marriage was one of convenience, her having an Indian husband enabled her to escape arrest in Europe +I’m so tired of this cope by people who have clearly never read her. She was a fuckin Hindu beyond fascinated with Hinduism and clearly states on a message to the Hindus that the creation of highest beauty in the world was an Indian of Brahman caste ffs +--- 21954497 +>>21953242 +> Why are so many Homosexuals attracted to Fascism/National socialism +It’s a cult of virility, manliness, the Superman. All the manly virtues, physical and moral and thus casts aside women. Homosexuals naturally thrive from such environments. +If you want to go down a rabbit hole read the pink swastika. There are some fallacies there yet compensates with several red pills +--- 21954499 +>>21952565 +kind of same, but same econ policies +--- 21954505 +>>21952976 +hmmm.... +--- 21954528 +>>21952474 (OP) +No Nazi is a "true genius". Their entire ideology stood for stamping out any kind of freedom of thought. If your thoughts steered slightly away from Nazi rehetoric, you'd be liable to be thrown in a concentration camp and be raped to death by some crazed member of the SS. +in4 +>bait +in4 +>jew +Believe it or not, you can still hate jews without being a brainlet National Socialist. +--- 21954539 +>>21953242 +Because fags are naturally attracted to the idea of brainwashing children and the mentally weak with extremist ideology and that's exactly what National Socialism aimed to do. +--- 21954595 +>>21952515 +lol you are a jew. into the trash +--- 21955341 +>>21954475 +>She was a fuckin Hindu beyond fascinated with Hinduism +And? +--- 21955422 +>>21954528 +>>21954539 +>we should promote children's welfare and education and make our kids strong and healthy +>no, we should feed them medications and hormones, raise them all in single parent households and have deranged education majors teach them evil curriculum :) +>hmmmm... no... to the camps with you +>waaaaaa you can't be smart if you don't accept our ideas tooooo :*( +--- 21955444 +>>21954528 +I'm curious, what do you hate about Jews? +--- 21955510 +>>21955422 +Kek +--- 21955869 +>>21954475 +>I’m so tired of this cope by people who have clearly never read her +She admitted it herself in her taped interviews you absolute mong. None of this contradicts my point. +--- 21955881 +Indians with R1a1 paternal haplogroup are whiter, in spirit, than Europeans who do not have R1a or R1b. Whiteness is determined via patriline. +--- 21956354 +>>21955881 +Brown hands typed this post. +--- 21956585 +>>21955869 +She lusted for Indians and goes into detail about it in 1939 book a message to the Hindus. So, before her so called convenience marriage, which in turn was 5 years before the end of the war (defeating the argument of marrying for the sake of escaping Europe). Yet, mouth breathing incel nazi larpers can’t accept muh hitlers prophet was giving her coochie to a poo and come up with the dumbest excuses +--- 21956692 +>>21954412 +It was on motherless +--- 21956723 +>>21956585 +Human behaviour no matter how prosaic or pretend, spiritual or compassionate is reducible to animality. Women are mechanistic automatons and are incapable of transcending the emotional, physical and mental entrapment of human life. Reject nature, fight against nature, nature is a false idol, man and woman are not two halves of some greater mystical whole, reject human automatism, overcome biological impulses, win against the organism. No nature lover like devi, or pantheistic poo has the manhood for this task. They are too busy deifying natural monstrosities, anthropomorphizing nature and making false idols out of it. +--- 21956828 +>>21952488 +>It will change your view of the world +how +--- 21957234 +>>21956723 +You have no idea how cringy and gay and even maudlin this kind of rhetoric has gotten over the past 5 years. devi had more spirit and a greater understanding of nature (letting beings be, instead of imposing your will on anything and everything because you're a black hole wearing the skin of a human being) in her skin tags than you do in your entire bloodline +--- 21957271 +>>21955881 +>Whiter than you Hans diff --git a/lit/21952528.txt b/lit/21952528.txt index f212ebeaf9b41d7e71aa142b762d5af44090e1a6..9af4796a6d791b1d53942a8030b191ab9579f264 100644 --- a/lit/21952528.txt +++ b/lit/21952528.txt @@ -58,3 +58,35 @@ I think the Kid carried the Bible that he couldn't even read believing that it w >>21952528 (OP) >Never explicitly stated Idk the part where he's naked in a room with a naked child seemed pretty explicit to me +--- 21953828 +>>21953148 +post physique +--- 21954075 +>>21952528 (OP) +>Molest +more like rape and murder +--- 21954125 +>>21952528 (OP) +Reading it as a cowboy themed greek myth really reveals that the judge is just an interloping olympian toying with humans for sport +--- 21954213 +>>21954125 +the judge is just a fat bald pedo who routinely gets lucky, he's as human as the rest of them +--- 21954372 +>>21954213 +some men have all the luck +--- 21955338 +>>21952528 (OP) +Did the Judge kill the man? +--- 21955849 +Objectively the judge is not more evil than any other character in the book. What differentiates him is that he is much smarter and more educated than the rest of the gang and while the others are more or less just products of their enviroment the judge is much more aware of his evil deeds and seems to actively seek them out. +--- 21955924 +the judge is just a guide to give the men who live by the sword a fitting end. the kid locks his destiny when he kills that Mexican barman but then for the rest of the story acts passive about violence which pisses the Judge off due the kid seemingly being an anti-thesis to his belief. the Judge is neither good or evil, he's a just a physical manifestation of an idea. +--- 21955960 +i just want to go on a murderous rampage across the world and have my way with the lovely darkeyed latinx girls is that so much to ask +--- 21956040 +>>21952528 (OP) +Hijacking this specific BM thread to talk about The Passenger/Stella Maris instead. +>the Kid and his troupe were a product of Alice's subconscious, meant to keep her distracted from thinking about whatever it was she saw in that nightmare +>she an heroes soon after the Kid disappears +>he also appears to Bobby when he's at his lowest, persumably to keep him from killing himself as well +Rate my theory diff --git a/lit/21952625.txt b/lit/21952625.txt index 24b60543ec70f18118f311c5169aeb89e98789d0..0cfa9ade95d2a6e6d3e94cd06328c7d73c3226e1 100644 --- a/lit/21952625.txt +++ b/lit/21952625.txt @@ -7,3 +7,47 @@ Frame him for what? --- 21953511 >>21953132 for killing what's her face +--- 21955070 +>>21952625 (OP) +bumpp +--- 21955259 +>>21953511 +Wasn't he too busy having a breakdown? It's been a while since I read the book, but I do remember it being depressing as hell. +--- 21955267 +>>21952625 (OP) +Because he’s a good person at heart :) +--- 21955274 +>>21952625 (OP) +it wasn’t the prince who killed Nastasia. Did you mean why didn’t Muishkin frame Rogojin? If yes then I think the prince went mad when he noticed that she was dead, he just froze basically and couldn’t leave the room, dude was kinda insane beforehand +--- 21955288 +>>21955259 +I thought for 90% of the book that it was going to be the /one/ dostoevsky book with a happy ending. I would have been genuinely surprised by the ending, except I was reading it with my mom and she finished it a day or two before me and made a comment about how depressing the end was. I was like wtf mom, fucking spoilers? +>>21955274 +"frame" means to make it look like someone committed a crime that they didn't actually commit. Rogozhin actually committed the crime, so Myshkin couldn't have framed him. OP is asking why Rogozhin (the murderer) didn't make it look like Myshkin (the not-murderer) killed her. +--- 21955298 +>>21952625 (OP) +What an idiot! +--- 21955335 +>>21955288 +What really got me was Nastasya's reaction to her wedding approaching and how it was described. iirc she was puking from the stress-induced guilt at the prospect of marrying a good man like the prince and couldn't accept herself as worthy of him, how convinced she was that she deserved to be damned and that's eventually what happened. +--- 21955375 +>>21955288 +ohh I see, not a native speaker my bad. That’s a good question tho. I guess Rogojin didn’t have anything else to live for so it didn’t matter to him what happened after Nastasia dies +--- 21955405 +>>21955335 +ok so rp me here. was Nastasya slutting around? or was she just a tease? the answer determines whether I'm sad that she and Myshkin didn't get together +--- 21955411 +>>21955288 +>wtf mom, fucking spoilers? +Cute story ^.^ +--- 21955425 +>>21955405 +I don't remember details about her sleeping with men other than you know when, but iirc the prince found her dead in a bed, so maybe it was implied she got killed during the act or Rogozhin just arranged the scene, I can't remember. +--- 21956290 +>>21955425 +>other than you know when +it's been a long time since I read it so I actually don't know which part you're talking about +>maybe it was implied +yeh that's where my confusion comes in. There were lots of places where I felt it was implied, but I'm not sure whether we're supposed to assume she actually was the town bicycle or whether she just makes some questionable choices +--- 21957235 +The epilogue made me so depressed, hearing that when Myshkin's influence left everyone quickly went back to their old ways. If Myshkin is supposed to be a Christ level of good character, Dostoevksy seems to be implying the same about the world once Christ left it diff --git a/lit/21952685.txt b/lit/21952685.txt index 0a36498a91056e3d0bfe8d128e7154371a65a550..267ccaf869088f0fe05ade1a03dc5ded2752ee9a 100644 --- a/lit/21952685.txt +++ b/lit/21952685.txt @@ -34,3 +34,41 @@ meant for >>21952759 Seeing what has been praised by the New York Times--and the general literary elite--in the last twenty years, makes nearly all of their criticisms for the last sixty, highly suspect. --- 21953489 I don’t read critics, I read scholars on specific books and authors. There’s literally no reason for literary critics, especially with book previews and libraries existing +--- 21954046 +>>21952685 (OP) +I'm on my way to finish part one of this book. And honestly, it's not good, it's Murakami-tier writing. Banal prose, riddled with literary reference, navel-gazing and conclusion on historical events. It's the ramble of a "pute de paroisse", that is what I like to call this pédé crypto-catholique. An oeuvre without subtlety, horrendous. +--- 21954054 +>>21953489 +Where do you find commentary from scholars +--- 21954181 +>>21954046 +Not exactly high art, I admit. Houellebecq is a degenerate coomer but at least he realises that boomers and their "end of history" were a big mistake. He rightly identifies the only way out for western hellhole countries (by retvrning to tradition). Whether this is Islam or Catholicism I dont think he gives a shit desu. He is a crypto-catholic redoing Huysmans for the modern reader. This is why Catholics tend to like him (me included) despite his moral shortcomings. Best thing is to just go back and read Huysmans if you want the top-tier prose with a similar message. +--- 21954297 +>>21954181 +You’re fucking stupid. Your brain is fucking dissolved in a liquid lake of internet +--- 21954324 +>>21954181 +>the only way out for western hellhole +I don't think returning to Abrahamic corpse and prophet worshipping is a way forward but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. +--- 21954362 +>>21954297 +He pretty succinctly summarized some major aspects of his writings. What's your problem? +--- 21955383 +>>21954297 +Really bizarre and aggressive reply to a fairly neutral assessment. +--- 21955463 +>>21954297 +>liquid lake +That's a pleonasm +--- 21956574 +>>21952685 (OP) +It's pretty damn good. Highly relevant today especially when you see everyone talking about Redpills, blackpills, Andrew Tate etc. It's just a brutal book. I read 10 pages at a time and I'd feel fucked up for the rest of the day. +--- 21956586 +>>21952685 (OP) +I don’t think that’s a negative review though +--- 21957407 +>>21952961 +>“Antkind” is an exceptionally strange book. It is also an exceptionally good one, and though one is tempted to reach for the roster of comparably gnostic novels by contemporary (-ish) writers — not just Wallace, but Pynchon, obviously; John Barth; Joshua Cohen, perhaps — such comparisons inevitably collapse. +--- 21957858 +>>21952863 +Have you read The possibility of an island? I think that was no less a masterpiece diff --git a/lit/21952758.txt b/lit/21952758.txt index ff5e01be4605dd5c9f7595535aab676f650a30d0..9928bb4fbd07a250aa4a3c7479e48a703ff81c7d 100644 --- a/lit/21952758.txt +++ b/lit/21952758.txt @@ -67,3 +67,58 @@ His inner diary :) --- 21953773 >>21952758 (OP) that third guy could fall down hard +--- 21953785 +>>21952873 +I don’t get the second panel. How does it relate to the rest? +--- 21953843 +>>21952758 (OP) +Novalis +--- 21954780 +>>21953785 +It's page 4 +--- 21954798 +>>21952758 (OP) +the Turner Diaries +--- 21954822 +>>21953773 +He could if he were a stubborn fool +--- 21955635 +>>21952758 (OP) +The real question is: "how do I become guy 4?" +--- 21955677 +>>21952807 +QRD? Is it based and red-pilled? +--- 21955756 +>>21955635 +Bzzzzz. +Finish that Catholic spook up with the Stirner “pill” >>21954822 +--- 21955781 +>>21952761 +The real end game +--- 21955789 +>>21952761 +>>21955781 +>The real end game +--- 21955790 +>>21953627 +If you're not a Christian you're wrong and no cope will EVER change that +--- 21956536 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91gT68xeDMM [Embed] +--- 21957008 +>>21955677 +It's cringe and blue-pilled. +--- 21957171 +>>21952758 (OP) +Three greats of antiquity (Iliad, Odyssey, Aeneid) into Dante’s comedy, and then a dip back into classical antiquity to read Statius’ Thebaid and see what that nigga’s all about. At this point your own curiosity will lead you. +--- 21957204 +>>21952758 (OP) +the third guy is an illusion. you want to be happy? go outside and make things happen, work and apply your lessons. read another 100 books if you want to be miserable. + +>For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. +--- 21957688 +>>21957204 +>le touch grass magical solution +Do you never get tired of this cringe +--- 21957691 +>>21952761 +That's what the first one read diff --git a/lit/21952813.txt b/lit/21952813.txt index 4b7e713529e63114c0909d93a353de10e11d215f..ed9ab9ee2be1d299eae55de5ca08b45757d2db6a 100644 --- a/lit/21952813.txt +++ b/lit/21952813.txt @@ -26,3 +26,115 @@ It's purely an exercise in virtue; enjoyment is not the object. --- 21953341 >>21952813 (OP) Tranny stuff aside, people who hate children (beyond occasional annoyance) and are vocal about it are usually degenerate +--- 21953807 +>>21952813 (OP) +>i throw the quesadilla at the wall +>quesadilla at the wall +>quesadilla at the wall +>quesadilla at the wall +>quesadilla at the +>PHSPHSPH +>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLL +--- 21953858 +>>21952813 (OP) +>I wore a silk dress for the cashiers +What is apostrophe? +--- 21953862 +>>21952813 (OP) +This is low-hanging fruit as far as contemporary free verse goes. It's a thoroughly mediocre piece. +--- 21953963 +>>21952813 (OP) +>How do I learn to enjoy free poetry? +Stop reading bad free poetry and start reading good free poetry. +--- 21953968 +>>21953858 +Hahaha. You will NEVER use apostrophes correctly, Manuel. +--- 21953978 +>>21952813 (OP) +>I throw the quesadilla at the wall +I have to say, I enjoyed this poem. +--- 21954003 +>>21952813 (OP) +>my face is the sort of glowy you see in felons +what does this even mean? +--- 21954040 +>>21952813 (OP) +>completely changing the subject to “you and me and love” in the last two lines +Can we make it a rule that you’re allowed to do this in, like, one or two poems in your life, so you’d better make it count? +--- 21954049 +>>21952813 (OP) +He should have made use of the double meaning of Clock imo +--- 21955513 +rate my free verse poem +--- 21955529 +>>21955513 +Concept is fine, need to strip out the clichés and redundancies +--- 21955531 +>>21954003 +Its troon derangement, why did you expect it to mean anything? +--- 21955546 +>>21955513 +The ending is funny, and the joke would be enhanced by hiding the foul language until the very end. That said, subverting the nature of poetry, which is the arrangement of language and enhancement thereof, to make a joke doesn't make your poetry itself better. +--- 21955920 +>>21953807 +kek +--- 21956037 +>>21952813 (OP) +Idk that’s kind of not bad tho. Do you just want people to write in classical idioms and restricted form forever? Those things are in the last for you to enjoy. I think you’re just a reactionary with no insight of your own to add - tired. +--- 21956052 +>>21954003 +Im pretty sure it’s a specific reference to Jeremy Meeks. I think it’s a pretty good reference considering the rest of the poem and the way retards here talked about him when he was current. +--- 21956057 +>>21956052 +Why would it be a reference to Meeks specifically rather than just glorifying criminals? +--- 21956067 +>https://www.reddit.com/r/Poetry/comments/12gcawl/poem_a_child_clocks_me_at_the_bodega_by_jackie/ +whenever you feel this board is shit just remember it could be much worse +--- 21956075 +>>21956057 +At the risk of over explaining, that Meeks guy was a sensation when his mugshot came out, people were calling him the most handsome man alive and such. It was picked up quite a bit here - especially /r9k/ - where it was used as the ultimate vindication of ye olde “girls only like bad boys” whine. +The voice in the poem is a troon but they’re obviously still hung up on a female love interest. They’re struggling with the whole “look like a masculine superhero” vs “be the pretty little anime girl thing,” but ultimately that shit is all in their head and they just present to the outside world as a freak. +Tl;dr: author gave a pretty good distillation of 4chan culture of a certain year spoken through an individual’s voice. It’s not Statius but it’s pretty good for something published for free. +--- 21956101 +>>21956075 +I fail to see how this poem is at all related to 4chan culture as opposed to Twitter or tumblr or whatever. Calling criminals hot is hardly a 4chan thing, the person in this poem is not complaining that girls like bad boys, they are just saying criminals are attractive +>female love interest +How do you know it's female? +--- 21956114 +The child +He clocked this guy +Yes +YES +The troon has left +--- 21956148 +>>21956101 +Let’s just call it general net culture then, the lines are fairly blurred either way. +The “first of all, you’re a bitch” seems addressed at the ex-lover. By convention I assume it’s a women, and also by general cultural knowledge that autogynephiles usually have some kind of fucked up pseudo-Laura in their lives. +I think the fact we’ve been able to pick it apart to this degree is something of a vindication for the poet. +--- 21956151 +>>21952884 +I love John Donne, and I find this poem hilarious. Donne probably would've thought so too. +--- 21956155 +>>21956148 +Oh I thought they were calling the child a bitch lol. The poem is certainly engaging but it's hard to tell how much of the humor is intentional +--- 21956167 +>>21956155 +I read it like that at first but it seemed janky, and then reaching ending line I realized it is likely the same addressee. Experience being framed on both sides by reference to her speaks of the obsession. +I think if you don’t see humor in it you can’t seperate poetic voice from the poet in question. I personally don’t think this is just some naive first-person bitch fest. +--- 21956208 +>>21952884 +Ah yes, James Hetfield is my favorite poet as well. +--- 21956564 +>>21956067 +>Sums up the difficulties of being a trans woman perfectly +AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH +--- 21957165 +>>21952813 (OP) +I recommend Robinson Jeffers. +--- 21957174 +>>21952813 (OP) +Isn't this just prose randomly cut up? +How do i into poetry, let alone modern? +--- 21957178 +>>21952813 (OP) +Better than anything Rupi Kaur has written that's for sure. diff --git a/lit/21952896.txt b/lit/21952896.txt index 75e29a1d2ccc10f7c5f808df662cdcd5c3854656..f48aa55c56e7804a94aa578cdf538a69920b1624 100644 --- a/lit/21952896.txt +++ b/lit/21952896.txt @@ -3,3 +3,49 @@ post'em. be it illustrations or photographs. doesn't even need to be seductive, anything that catches the eye and compels readers to want to read it. +--- 21954149 +>>21952896 (OP) +Croatian edition of Crash. +--- 21954987 +>>21952896 (OP) +heinlein is simultaneously a far right militarist libertarian homophobe and an icon and pioneer to the LGBT community. he's the most american american to ever live, concentrating in his person opposing aspects of the culture. +--- 21956121 +>>21954987 +Wait whut? +--- 21956185 +>>21956121 +https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/10/about-that-threesome-with-l-ron-hubbard-and-the-heinleins/ + + +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Will_Fear_No_Evil + +I will fear no evil is basically Heinlein's AGP tranny fantasy the man never met a fetish he didnt like. maybe one could explain american culture as the result of these really perverted science fiction writers with spook connections remaking the human form in their own image. +--- 21956213 +>>21956185 +They should adapt this film into a movie +--- 21956265 +>>21956213 +I meant book into a movie +--- 21956568 +>>21956213 +Will never happen in the current woke Hollywood +--- 21956626 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91gT68xeDMM [Embed] +--- 21956811 +>>21952896 (OP) +Let's get some Wordsworth Classics in here. +--- 21956820 +>>21954149 +Look how bad this one is. Why do American publishers have such shit taste. +--- 21957630 +German version +--- 21957694 +>>21957630 +>bush +based +--- 21957726 +>>21952896 (OP) +Today I bought a couple of books, these are the best covers among them. +--- 21957778 +>>21957726 +Not bad matey diff --git a/lit/21952985.txt b/lit/21952985.txt index 588cee3411a32fb826a85572c774312cef8c3577..2902fc71546a3d722ca385128877f4efd6d78bc3 100644 --- a/lit/21952985.txt +++ b/lit/21952985.txt @@ -191,3 +191,455 @@ I gotta get a copy of Chicken World! --- 21953777 >>21953744 the bible is a disappointment +--- 21953894 +/lit/ was only good when it had Nick Land/accelerationism discussions or Jünger-fren was still posting. + +bring those two things back and this place will be worth something again. +--- 21954228 +>>21952985 (OP) +No, sorry, no more discussion of cool and interesting books to read. It is now mandated that 90% of threads must consist entirely of pseud dickwaving and RETVRN faggotry for people with poor father figures +--- 21954234 +>>21953375 +>just realized these are real threads +Jesus man. +--- 21954242 +nope. /lit/ became terminal after the invasion of reddit refugees and /pol/ in 2015. They viewed /lit/ as some kind of intellectual epicentre of 4chan (lmao) so felt obligated to brigade and "conquer" it. they scurred away the anons who actually read literature. They're not coming back. The mod is a colossal faggot for letting this happen and was probably paid. +--- 21954244 +>>21953476 +>Most of all internet traffic is bots… strange, where are they? +They'll be here to kill the rest of the internet shortly. You can hardly tell the difference between a chatbot versus the average 4chan shitposter nowadays anyway +--- 21954248 +>>21952985 (OP) +No. Enjoy your endless threads about Evola, Spengler, e-celebs and insecure high schoolers. +--- 21954253 +>>21953410 +>>21953421 +I'll try to start a bookclub on here this May when I got out of uni for the Summer. I'd be fine reading any of those. +--- 21954259 +>>21953030 +>can't roll back time, man. +Natalie Portman, naked and petrified, covered in hot grits, you insensitive clod. +--- 21954605 +>>21954253 +please do +--- 21954613 +>>21954253 +it's don quixote for me, if you're gonna really start, start with that +--- 21954838 +>>21953721 +kill yourself you fucking shill +--- 21954870 +>>21953069 +Flag and ignore all the shitposters. +Ah, but the shitpost respondents outnumber the serious posters. +Could apply for the janitorial position. +Ah, but the moderators hamstring them greatly + +No, it was death by a thousand paper cuts started many years ago. Anonymous image boards are not conducive to quality information and serious community. Just trolling, with a few hints of truth in the free speech. +But even this free speech aspect is going to be compromised or used +--- 21954872 +>>21953083 +Jannies abandoned this hellhole years ago, m8. Retarded /pol/ and /his/ threads are the new norm. +--- 21954966 +>>21954613 +Got it, I'll start it around the 20th +--- 21955018 +>>21952994 +>Plotinus +damn I missed it. I just bought the enneads a few weeks ago. haven't started on them yet but I want to +--- 21955029 +>>21953134 +Because I am posting right now that niggers fucking suck, and that jews have destroyed our world, some faggot jannie will give me a ban. Fuck all trannies. Fuck all niggers. Fuck all jews. Fuck the jannies. they do it for free. + +Also, jannies, can I get a few more threads about ballpoint pens and book covers. Can you maybe NOT delete the other fifteen threads about Blood Meridian. lol, fucking idiots. +--- 21955034 +>>21955029 +You need original insults to get banned. +--- 21955036 +>>21953721 +I have talked about my books here a bit. +Just published my third book last night. Pretty happy about it. +--- 21955039 +>>21955034 +No, I don't. I have been banned for saying kike like one time. So no, anon, I don't need to be original. This is /lit/. Original is not allowed. Now get back to the 17th Cormac thread. +--- 21955163 +>>21955029 +uber-based +--- 21955184 +>>21953421 +I just picked up a copy of The Magic Mountain and was thinking about starting a book club for it. If anyone beats me to it I’ll do my best to participate. +--- 21955190 +>>21953017 +It's sad... the internet culture that made 4chan what it was is long dead. Small forums, 1337 speak, flash games, lightweight websites as the norm, memes with impact font, emoticons (not emoji), old YouTube, personal websites, instant messengers, IRC, and some effort on the part of the user to access the internet itself are all gone. These are just a handful of the things that existed side-by-side with 4chan, and they influenced and shaped each other. + +Now the fact of the matter is that the internet outside of 4chan is centralized, uniform, sterile, corporate, bloated, and, most importantly, over-moderated if not outright censored, as well as being flooded with individuals who only go there not to participate in the culture of website or forum, but just to spew the thoughts in their mind into a "status" or "tweet." Through sheer numbers, they have made that the culture of every website which is built around user-participation, and we should be glad that this website has been (mostly) spared that fate. + +There is also little need for more than a small selection of websites for the modern internet user. Videos, instant messaging, forums, and more have all been rolled into single websites, which has made smaller websites or software specializing in those things unappealing to anyone other than a minority of people who used visit those websites, or utilize such software. + +What's more is that major media websites like YouTube are no longer about channel customization, small channels, and individuals. Now they are about large corporate channels, or celebrity "creators" who are grown men yelling and doing exaggerated body motions and facial expressions for 60 second videos to entertain children and manchildren for the purpose of collecting ad revenue. This same corporate philosophy is also reflected in Twitter, Facebook, and others. + +It seems to be that there is no going back. 4chan is like the beautiful ruins of antiquity, and modern websites the glass and concrete boxes of modern construction. The internet as a whole, especially in the 1990s and 2000s, was like brilliant flash that burned brightly for a instant. The internet as it is now is just the glowing ember leftover, slowly growing duller, and colder. +--- 21955195 +>>21954966 +this anon is also creating a book club with don quixote, you can create one with magic mountain +>>21955184 +I'll participate +--- 21955212 +>>21955190 +this hits like a train, you should write a book anon or atleast short stories with these themes +--- 21955394 +>>21955212 +Thank you for your kind words anon. Glad it resonates with you. I'm extremely fond of that era of computing and internet culture, so it's very enjoyable for me to write about it. +--- 21955532 +>>21952985 (OP) yes, bring back Nick Land threads +--- 21955592 +>>21955190 +I wanna hear more on your thoughts about this. Do you think there is a solution or examples outside of 4chan of old internet antiquity. I always associate Minecraft with the rise and fall of the internet, it came really around the last hurrah, and the nostalgia and aesthetic of it + the change as Microsoft slowly eradicated it really seems to be a nice test case / isolated example of the rise and fall. Early Minecraft vs what it is now is like night and day, and all stages of it really correlate to the state of the internet. Not /lit/ related but I am curious if anyone else has examples like that or just more thoughts on the whale fall of the internet. +--- 21955641 +>>21955592 +Just look at this board, if you're a writer, anonymous people here just attack you and talk shit. There are no organic communities and the crab-in-bucket mentality rules all. + +When you're not anonymous, you just get banned, and when you're on an anonymous forum, the loser crabs just attack anyone who stands out from the crowd. +--- 21955827 +>>21955641 +You just suck at writing, Jason. This board has tried to push you into improving for years now but we've figured out that you're just too retarded. If you want a hugbox, go back to Reddi--oh wait hahahahah +--- 21955895 +>>21955190 +Https makes an independent internet impossible +--- 21956062 +>>21955827 +The Shitkickers is a 5-star book: +https://a.co/d/bfDaICM + +City of Singles, which I didn't even edit, would have a higher rating if I didn't have so many troll 1-star reviews. + +The 2nd edition of City of Singles is just about done, and it is so, so, so much better. I think it also completely vindicates me as being right, again, in my predictions, as in 2023 the dating market by all accounts is completely fucked. + +https://medium.com/hello-love/study-predicts-45-of-women-will-be-single-by-2030-1fbc99bad6a8 + +The birth rates in places like B.C. are an abysmal 1.17 + +https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=E210US91166G0&p=bc+birth+rate +>South Korea is less than 1.0 + +Where's your books, faggot? Oh wait, you're a nothing and a nobody. +--- 21956113 +>>21956062 +post full pdf or epub of shitkickers and i'll read it with an open mind +--- 21956200 +>>21956113 +ePub: +https://afterworkfreeporn.com/The-Shitkickers-Amazon-Version-Ready.epub + +PDF: +https://afterworkfreeporn.com/FINISHED-AMAZON-VERSION.pdf + +Enjoy! There are several /lit/ easter eggs in the book, the easiest one to spot is probably the Gardner COTC reference. +--- 21956214 +>>21956200 +>After work free porn +Oh c'mon I don't want viruses. +--- 21956270 +>>21956214 +I don't have viruses or any BS on my site. +>an honest smut dealer +I just posted a mirror on my paranormal test site: +>epub +https://ghostfriendly.com/The-Shitkickers-Amazon-Version-Ready.epub +>pdf +https://ghostfriendly.com/FINISHED-AMAZON-VERSION.pdf + +Wordpress on my personal site, jason-bryan.com, won't allow PDF or epub uploads and the FTP is somehow fucking fucked so I can't link it from my personal site, but I can use FTP for my domains hosted on the same account. I'll have to ask my host why, kind of annoying. +--- 21956285 +>>21953240 +Unreal Press’s doxxing campaign is ruining this board. +--- 21956292 +>>21956285 +I've been doxxed so many times and absolutely nothing has happened as a result of it. +--- 21956571 +>>21955592 +(1/2) +Minecraft is a good example, from the little I've played in the past 5 years or so. + +>Do you think there is a solution or examples outside of 4chan of old internet antiquity. + +I don't know that there's a solution. I think it is the nature of the means of access to the internet which had, and continues to have, a tremendous impact on the culture of the internet. When effort was required to connect, it almost necessarily meant that the people who where there wanted to be there, and thought that it was novel thing. They often assimilated to the culture of whatever forums they where a member of. But now that it's easy to connect, anyone with two hands can do so, and clearly, this influx of newcomers did not assimilate to the old internet culture, and I do suspect corporations may have played some role in that. I don't think you can as easily narrow down the motivations for people using the internet in the modern day, but I suspect there are a few common ones. + +The first, especially for those now older than 18ish, is that you are expected to use the internet. For example, many workplaces, even small business, use the web-based services to do payroll, and manage the scheduling of employees, and in turn, the employee needs to use those same web pages and services to see his payroll and get his schedule. I am speaking from experience here. And of course, for anyone in college, almost all the assignments, rubrics, and supplemental course material is hosted on web pages, and sometimes exclusively so (e.g. video). I even remember the early days of this sort of thing in highschool. + +The second reason, especially for those who are the youngest among Gen Z, is that they grow up with it. I have a job where I work with the public, and I can't tell you how many children I have seen given a phone and a tablet, with mindless, endless "content" with no real substance whatsoever. They become phone drones. Many children these days are raised with the internet from day zero. Action figures, plastic soldiers, blocks, and the like have taken a backseat to endless children's videos. In contrast, growing up, I needed permission and often supervision to use the internet. + +The third reason, which is probably universal, is that it is extremely convenient to use it. Any phone or tablet made in the past 15 or more years can connect to the internet in some capacity. Now combine this with the fact that everyone has an opinion about everything (which is not wrong in itself, it's human nautre), and mega corporations advertising services to broadcast that opinion with no barrier whatsoever. The result is the cesspools of modern social media. Now many thousands of smaller websites integrate those social media websites and services in them, and the corporate tone is driven from the top down. The most common example I can think of are websites which encourage you to "Log in With Facebook/Twitter/Linkd In!" +--- 21956583 +>>21954248 +Still better than gay pedo books. +--- 21956644 +>>21956571 +(2/2) +As for examples of old internet, there are only a few examples I can think of off the top of my head, so I'll just link a search engine instead. + +http://wiby.me/ + +This is a search engine that only indexes pages according to the philosophy of the old internet. That is to say, the pages here usually very lightweight in nature, do not contain excessive amounts of advertising, are not bloated with unnecessary Java Script or CSS, and are (often) hosted by individuals instead of corporations. It is not as if the old ways are completely dead. What makes this search engine special is that it only indexes pages submitted by it's users, and which conform to it's requirements: +http://wiby.me/submit/ +Admittedly, it's kind of a novelty, but it's a nice way to find oldschool-style websites. + +Anyone who likes the old internet and longs for it's return should host a personal website, either on a computer at home or from someone else's server. Whether it's a blog, a small file hosting site, a tutorial site, or something else. The basics of HTML are not difficult to learn and you can be motivated by the fact that the old internet was made great by individuals, not corporations (they only provided the infrastructure). And of course submitting it wiby is probably a good idea. + +Finally, I know people make fun of this person on /g/, but his video about the basics of HTML is actually pretty good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJadKSKA7Mg [Embed] +--- 21956656 +>>21956644 +One thing I forgot to mention about small websites: consider hosting a 4chan-style website. There are FOSS ways of doing so the barrier to entry is not massive (although, I admit I do very little web stuff in my programming). Even if you don't host it for more than a couple years I think it's worth it. Small chans come and go, and I always think they're just neat. +--- 21956659 +>>21956583 +Are these "gay pedo books" in the room with us right now? +--- 21956718 +>>21953134 +I know this is bait but these kind of people are literally the ones ruining every single board, not just /lit/. /v/ and /tv/ are basically no different than /b/ these days with all the tranny and nigger spam. +--- 21956733 +>>21954613 +>>21954966 +The 20th for Quixote it is then. But I really wish it were sooner since I am 150 pages in rn. +--- 21956747 +>>21956718 +I visited /b/ recently and it is a complete shitshow compared to pre-2016 +--- 21956754 +>>21956583 +>>>/pol/ +>>>/his/ + +faggots, shitting up the board +--- 21956770 +>>21956733 +just wait a bit, reminisce on the 150 pages until then. +--- 21956780 +>>21956747 +it's absolutely chaotic on /b/ +--- 21956800 +/tv/ discussing their favorite movie: +>the furnishings of the character's home really illustrate the internal conflict between his loyalty to his family and his own ideas of justice and honor. It ties into the jarring transition in framing between the interior and exterior shots, itself a commentary on the erratic manipulation of tension in the film's soundtrack, on par with the longshot revolution in cinematography of the mid-2000s. That's what really establishes this film as the pinnacle of the director's ongoing thematic exploration of man's eternal struggle to separate himself from nature. + +/lit/ discussing their favorite book: +>uh... can you say based? +--- 21956814 +>>21956800 +it's because /pol/ and /his/ fags are trying to one up each other +--- 21956838 +>>21956800 +You're really relying on your audience here knowing nothing about /tv/ lmao +--- 21956974 +We desperately need a Religion and Philosophy board for all the pseuds and proselytizers. +--- 21956998 +>stay true to you, anon +--- 21957009 +>>21956974 +agreed +--- 21957047 +>>21956983 +Why did janny delete this? Anon was right. +--- 21957078 +my interest in /lit/ is winding down. there's just very little that interests me on here anymore. i think blood meridian will be the last book i discussed on /lit/. it wasn't even a good discussion. +--- 21957180 +>>21957078 +well there are few good thread coming up, possible group reading of don quixote on 20th of may +--- 21957200 +>>21957047 +you know why +--- 21957224 +>>21957078 +We're at the end of history, nobody gives a fuck anymore about anything... just give people vidya, booze, weed, porn and a society to conform into... and that's it, the establishment won! Trannies on ALL the beers! +--- 21957246 +>>21957224 +my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined +--- 21957269 +>>21954248 +Evola discussion has died down. Keep up. +--- 21957308 +>>21957246 +Hey, I did post a couple links to the full The Shitkickers book above. You could be reading it tonight and having a laugh! +--- 21957319 +>>21957308 +kys +--- 21957325 +>>21957319 +You are a complete fucking faggot. I posted a book I lovingly crafted and posted for free, while you are nothing more than a piece of shit who doesn't write and tells an actual, real author, to kill himself on a literature board. + +You should kill YOURSELF, I'm going to keep writing, bitch. +--- 21957330 +>>21957325 +you should keep writing, but don't fucking dare to shill your book to me +--- 21957331 +>>21953744 +what did you expect? /pol/tards only like christianity for the aesthetics. it's all an act. +--- 21957334 +>>21957330 +It's free you fucking loser. Free. How is it SHILLING you stupid fuck when it is FREE you absolute fucking loser? +--- 21957337 +>>21957334 +if I want to read it, then I'll read it. who the fuck are you? telling me what to do. what a miserable life you have +--- 21957344 +>>21957337 +You fucking loser, I dropped the link to my 2nd novel that I spent countless hours writing, so that people here could read a book by an independent artist and be entertained. The book has some nods to the culture from /lit/ and /pol/, and you tell me to kys? + +Do you ever wonder why the literary world and entertainment business is full of faggots, cunts, kikes, niggers and every other mystery meat but very few straight white guys? YOU ARE THE REASON FAGGOT. YOU FUCKING LOSER. +--- 21957362 +>>21957344 +I understand that you are a human being (mentally deranged as you might be) and you care about things, in your case, your book. but you can't just fucking insult me and tell me to read your book. +and I love independent artists btw. +--- 21957370 +>>21957362 +kys +--- 21957385 +>>21952985 (OP) +>no question begging bait OPs +>no jezebel OP pics +>jannies that actually prune redudant non-catalogue checking OPs +>no snowflake critique OPs, writing general pinned +Effort posters come and go. +--- 21957395 +>>21957370 +after you +--- 21957418 +>>21957385 +true +--- 21957420 +>>21957344 +Jason, cool your boots man. I understand that you're mighty proud of your work (as a man should be) and you want to defend it but don't lash out like this, it's unbecoming. Think of your son; what would he feel, seeing his father like this? Take your meds if you haven't. Calm down. Breathe. Be here now. + +Also, going on racist/sexist/homophobic tirades is not a good look if you want to be taken seriously as a writer, here or elsewhere. I strongly advise against it. +--- 21957426 +>>21957420 +this is what I wanted to say, thank you for this. I hope he acts rationally +--- 21957431 +>>21957426 +>>21957420 +There is no path to being a "writer" when you're banned from all social media already anyways. I'm already an outcast, and I'm fine with it, but this fucking faggot told me to KYS after I posted a book for people to enjoy, for free! + +Straight up FUCK that piece of complete shit crab. +--- 21957453 +>>21957431 +look m8, I appreciate you for posting you book for the enjoyment of people, "for free!!". But why are you being so aggressive? I apologies for telling you to kys. I hope you get better. no joke, no troll +--- 21957454 +>>21957431 +If this >>21957426 is the same anon you had a spat with, he seems like a reasonable enough lad to me -- perhaps he would like to offer an apology for his rather harsh comment? Then we can all have a puff on the peace pipe and go on our merry ways. +--- 21957458 +>>21957453 +See, he didn't even need me to prod him. Good on ya anon! +--- 21957464 +>>21957454 +I do apologies. I don't like to hurt people's feelings (believe it or not), and I do regret offending him. I can see that he is not in his best state of mind and I hope he gets better +--- 21957492 +>>21957464 +I mean, why would you tell an author on a literature board to kill themselves after they are giving a gift to the people of the board? Like are you fucked in the head or something? Why are you a fucking crab? +--- 21957505 +>>21957492 +meds, now!! +--- 21957511 +>>21957492 +you are beyond redemption +--- 21957516 +>>21957511 +>>21957505 +You people make this board so shit. What a useless fucking place full of losers. +--- 21957517 +>>21957308 +>>21957319 +>>21957325 +>>21957330 +>>21957334 +>>21957337 +>>21957344 +>>21957362 +>>21957370 +>>21957395 +>>21957420 +>>21957426 +>>21957431 +>>21957453 +>>21957454 +>>21957458 +>>21957464 +>>21957492 +>>21957505 +>>21957511 +>>21957516 +FAKE and GAY manufactured """""feud""""" to whip up viral interest in jewish shillslop of the week +You should ALL kill yourselves (especially the guy who goes on about crabs) +--- 21957526 +>>21957516 +What is your major malfunction? +--- 21957529 +>>21957517 +Jewish shillslop? +--- 21957532 +>>21957517 +anon it's not fake, that jason guy or whatever his name is, he's calling me a crab. kek +--- 21957535 +>>21957532 +i think he's trying to use the analogy of 'crabs in a bucket' +--- 21957587 +>>21957516 +pls eat a creampie and chill, cuck +--- 21957654 +>>21957587 +You do realize that if you're a straight white male writer there are SO few groups or organizations that will actually promote your work, right? + +If I were a queer black woman, it would be SO much easier to get my work out into the world. SO many organizations that would tweet and talk about your work. + +As a straight white male, literally there are no organizations designed to help promote art by your group. None. +--- 21957664 +>>21957654 +>If I were a queer black woman +you can become one if you want +--- 21957678 +>>21957664 +It's just funny to witness how there is ZERO support for the straight white male artist. You cannot be based on social media, you cannot find any organization to promote your shit. You are completely and totally alone if you are not beholden to some kike organization or some mainstream publisher that will cancel your ass the moment you step out of the cathedral. + +There is a total stranglehold on culture, and even in the dark places of the internet full of fellow outcasts, you can't get any support. I don't think a single person even read my free book from here. + +I mean, if you ever complain about shit being woke or the themes in modern TV and movies, you only have yourself to blame. There are brilliant writers like myself with fresh ideas and dissenting views, but if we have nobody to pump our tires, you get the goyslop media you deserve. +--- 21957708 +>>21957678 +I'll read your book anon, don't worry +--- 21957745 +It's very simple, force high-effort posts and recieve high-effort posters. Ban and delete any of the following on sight and you'll get a slower and higher-quality board: +>Any post with a wojak/pepe +>Any post about politics +>Any post about race +>Any post about culture wars +>Any post where the OP uses the following "LE X is BAD/GOOD", "What did I/You think of X", "Who was in the wrong here?" "Now that the dust has settled...", +>Any post about e-celebs +>Any self-promotion outside of /WG/ because fuck Card, Gardner and Ma +>Any post on /WG/ that amounts to "Nobody will make it", "You are shit" and other crab bullshit because it's gotten to the point some threads don't have anything posted because of those faggots +>A general for "showing off": book editions, shelf threads etc. +--- 21957791 +>>21957745 +it could be done +--- 21957795 +>>21957791 +>>21957745 +basically, we need to gatekeep /lit/ more. if you keep your house open, all sorts of faggots will come in and shit all over it +--- 21957806 +>>21957745 +Some good ideas, anon. I'll try my best to not get angry and drop slurs. I spend like 90% of my time on this board anonymously encouraging other people to write and to enjoy an adventurous life in a time where everything is as corporate, sterile and cucked as possible. + +>>21957708 +I am confident that if people actually read my book, they will like it. It really gets fucking crazy after the 1st act. Very proud of my work. It is a dark book with a little humour mixed in. +--- 21957823 +>>21957795 +Would be nice if people could be a little more kind to each other. We're mostly all here because regular society has deemed us as outcasts. I remember when I stood outside the government liquor store in Westbank Kelowna, in about 4 hours on the Friday from 6 PM-10 PM in -15 weather, then the next day, Saturday, it was even colder and I stood outside for 6 hours holding my sign. I made $300 + some tips, and the first thing my mother-in-law said when she heard about the money I made was "Why doesn't he get a job driving a truck or something?" + +It wasn't "oh, he sold 15 books standing in front of a liquor store?" It was right away a dig at me for even trying to do art. I looked up local truck driving jobs for kicks and the wages out here were like $20 an hour to drive a truck. Only $6 an hour more than the $14 an hour I made driving a truck nearly 25 years ago when my rent was only $400 a month and you could buy like 4-5 bags of groceries for $50. + +People like us truly have nobody on our side, at all. +--- 21957834 +>>21957823 +The best part is, I actually did apply for a bunch of driving jobs because I love my family. I got 3 interviews and all three required the COVID vaxx. Fuck that shit. I did manage to score a part time job and I made a living this winter shoveling snow for like 7-9 hours a day. Would be nice to be able to make money with my strongest asset, my mind, but when you're banned everywhere on social media, it is difficult to sell a book. +--- 21957845 +>>21957678 +Have you tried to get your work publish at all? Just because you heard that they "don't accept manuscripts from straight white male artist" doesn't mean you shouldn't try (unless you have already). + +Also stop bitching like this, not even F. Gardener acts like this and people somehow still read his garbage. +--- 21957855 +>>21957834 +Dude wtf is this? The first sentence doesn't even make sense. diff --git a/lit/21953497.txt b/lit/21953497.txt index 4783a336e85baf3e3e331100a801b33d2120cc59..cc18f661915dcc855d0903db1c74cb9eb01c10da 100644 --- a/lit/21953497.txt +++ b/lit/21953497.txt @@ -13,3 +13,67 @@ Another excerpt of it that often pops in to my head years later: >>21953559 True. Here's the transcript in case anyone wants to read it: https://web.ics.purdue.edu/~drkelly/DFWKenyonAddress2005.pdf +--- 21954402 +>>21953497 (OP) +even when finally being called out on not criticizing faiths other than Christianity, they will still call the Bible "bullshit" and then the quran only "lies" +--- 21954457 +The only puzzles here are why anyone gives a shit about Amazing Atheist and why Twitter linking/screencapping isn't banned. +--- 21954474 +>>21953497 (OP) +I don't know who is this man in the pic +I don't care to know +--- 21954478 +>>21954402 +Dude you're overthinking this one +--- 21954482 +>>21953497 (OP) +If I keep this lecture in mind >>21953559 but am still a steadfast atheist, what am I meant to worship? +--- 21954520 +>>21954482 +>some inviolable set of ethical principles... +Basically anything that isn't material and corruptible +--- 21954697 +>>21954402 + Get a grip faggot +--- 21955713 +>>21953497 (OP) +i worship being a chill dude who hangs out and has fun and enjoys company and activity.... and i don't like, uhhh, see myself as unfun or life as boring. maybe he needed to relax and not take shit so serious. +--- 21956839 +>>21955713 +... +--- 21956854 +>>21954474 +He inserted a banana into his anus and recorded it +That's all you need to know +--- 21956868 +>>21956854 +I thought you meant DFW for a second +--- 21956895 +Here are some audio files on what DFW thought about Jonathan Franzen: +https://voca.ro/1mHDTX5NL3j6 +https://voca.ro/1hB8tfOjo5DZ +https://voca.ro/1noVfvSMsifj +--- 21957538 +>>21954402 +amazing atheist is a relic from the era circa 2007-2014 where internet atheists actually did rail against islam quite a bit and would constantly do stunts like drawing muhammad etc +no idea if he's still like that, maybe not, haven't watched anything from him in a decade +--- 21957559 +>>21953497 (OP) +DFW was legit man +--- 21957573 +>>21957538 +>no idea if he's still like that, maybe not, +He's a full on degenerate tranny supporter now. Zero edge (unless it's against Christians, predictably). +--- 21957576 +Why does this dumbassws tweets keep getting posted here? This isn't literature this is a faggot on Twitter +--- 21957603 +>>21956895 +lol + +I genuinely just checked if Franzen had married the coffee table woman. +--- 21957605 +>>21957538 +>>21957573 +He's a mentally ill faggot who stuck a banana up his ass on a stream, also, he has a microcock. + +Fucking loser 100%, which is why he is popular on Twitter. diff --git a/lit/21953523.txt b/lit/21953523.txt index 646070f9b36bced53e646d2449a4a72f1fc4a107..579895cd26e6563a0f5de420b44d60b94a583999 100644 --- a/lit/21953523.txt +++ b/lit/21953523.txt @@ -93,3 +93,195 @@ probably but not really. In the end buddhism is a religion that has many unverif But for the non-religious, what good is this? I am irreligious, I don't think rebirth exists. It's 'one life and done'. So buddhism offers nothing. I have no need to end rebirth, because it doesn't exist. and so the problem remains. I'm going to die, everyone who I know will die, my life is transient, incomprehensible, fleeting and marked by various suffering. there's various good things but on the whole I'm a strang creature in a strange world whose body has near constant needs I must fulfill, and whose mindis restless unsatisfied and uneasy. I deal with my needs protection food water shelter etc to keep my body going sustaining my consciousness all the while my body is slowly aging, breaking down, becoming weary and weathered. and I will die and it will be as if it never happened in the first place. +--- 21953800 +Well, there isn't much you can do. What happened is you've moved the concept into reality. A lot of people walk around in concept mode until the day they die. + +What helps is near constant distraction. Helps to stop learning things too. I don't want to know anymore. That's for the concept folks. For entertainment I recommend cartoons. I barely read anymore, its torturous. + +Maybe throw yourself into some manual labor. Try to get over empathy. Work out crimes you could conceivably get away with. Whatever you do, just try not to think. +--- 21953805 +>>21953523 (OP) +Read the stoics +--- 21953861 +>>21953742 +kek. retard. the point is to die with dignity and not like a barnacle still clinging to sensuality. +--- 21953864 +>>21953742 +>he's a mortalist +>my first-person locus spontaneously materialized out of the void and this can't happen again because... buttfucking good +Dying +--- 21953868 +>>21953864 +>my first-person locus spontaneously materialized out of the void and this can't happen again because... buttfucking good + +I came from my mothers womb. I cant be born again because my mother is dead +--- 21953869 +>>21953868 +That's why I specified "first-person locus" and not "body" you troglodyte. +--- 21953873 +>>21953742 +There are plenty of unverifiable facts that are true whether or not you believe in them. Not believing in rebirth doesn't mean it doesn't exist. +--- 21953877 +>>21953864 +>>21953868 +also the idea there's a "locus", a stable, persisting through time ego, self, soul is just an ongoing mental fiction. I exist presently. I experience memories presently. I project a past behind myself and a future ahead giving the illusion of persistence through time. as if time is linear and I'm a persistent ego travelling along from the very really real past into the really really real future. It's just mental constructions. My existence is directly present, and what's present is fleeting, shifting perceptions, ongoing thoughts and ideas. It's constant change and flux. +--- 21953880 +>>21953873 +>There are plenty of unverifiable facts that are true + +h-how do you know? +--- 21953890 +>>21953877 +>regurgitates foundational buddhist insights to refute buddhism +retard. You're the same stripe of shitwit who points to Darwin and le dog eat dog world to refute gnosticism/dualism. there's a quite literal "middle way" between substantialism/eternalism and the pseudo-nihilism you're espousing here. The "locus" is that which is able to say "this is not me, not mine, not myself" in all cases +--- 21953892 +>>21953880 +deductive logic or induction +--- 21954076 +>>21953523 (OP) +the only honest cope is accepting the chaos and irresolution of life if you mix it with death. you have to accept the unacceptable and disrespectful reality of death. +in fact, there is no life, there is life and death together. since the beginning. since you were born, you were cheated in this sense. you are already cheated and self-cheated if you want to close your eyes or idealize this completely evident reality. +there is no peace with death once you really know it, you can have some distance, some mental distance, some perspective, thats all, thats not really peace, you have to understand this, there is no peace with this, life needs death, and i dont mean this in the some dark psychopath joker fan meme sense, i mean it, i really mean it, life is a turbulent space precisely because its a clash of various things constantly rusting, eroding, capturing and conquering other things which is the essence of death. +obviously, we are humans. we can invent everything, if you want to find some peace you eventually can have one, you can create some half-baked peace, but remember that it should not be necessary with this completely intrinsic to life process. you will have to make long manipulations and self-manipulations in order to not see something this plain and simple. basically stay away from searching peace in this sense and you should be good after some self-reflection. +--- 21954093 +>>21953523 (OP) +Literally nietzsche's idea of eternal recurrence +--- 21954921 +>>21953523 (OP) +Time is an illusion. We perceive time as a river constantly flowing forward but it's actually standing still. The current exists simultaneously in its every part. In other words, the past and present are happening at the same time. What is the past for you is actually the future for someone else. In 1066, William the Conqueror is invading England. In our temporal coordinates, that invasion has been long over but it doesn't change the fact that for William, he is still invading England. +This resembles a schizo rambling but it's actually a well-supported theory about time called eternalism and compatible with the theory of relativity. +--- 21954924 +is he fucking naked?? this is blue board +--- 21954989 +>>21953523 (OP) +At present literally the only consolatory belief I currently can maintain is the knowledge that I will one day be dead and not have to endure this farce of a universe which I despise so much. + +God, please bring my death on, painlessly I hope, yes, but if not painless, at least rapid in its oncoming. +--- 21955019 +Buddhism, unironically. +--- 21955258 +>>21954093 +Its basically Samsara which from my basic understanding Hindus didnt think of it as something to celebrate but as more of an eternal hell in which we are trapped for all eternity reincarnating as different form and experincing all sorts of suffering +--- 21955263 +>>21955019 +Where do I start? What texts will help me and stop me from fearing death? I want to find peace +--- 21955292 +>>21953523 (OP) +>life is impermanent and that death is inevitable? +I wish I were so certain + +I only fear reliving my cringe via eternal recurrence, or hell +--- 21955333 +>>21955292 +>eternal recurrence +Even if this was the case, you wont remember your last life. Its starting as a new form of life without memory or attachment to the past life and experiencing all sorts of suffering all pver again, its quite scary too be honest. +--- 21955345 +>>21953523 (OP) +that greek nigga who said something like what it is it will always be, from nothing came nothing and shit like that yo, Pausanias or something Ionno +--- 21955351 +>>21953685 +you must look good or white enough, that doesn't make any sense +--- 21956223 +>>>21953880 +a lot of people think gravity doesn't exist and that doesn't change the fact they live in a world with gravity in it. +so whether or not you think it exists means nothing +--- 21956569 +bump +--- 21956645 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91gT68xeDMM [Embed] +--- 21956685 +>>21953523 (OP) +Ecclesiastes and the Psalter +--- 21956769 +>>21953523 (OP) +>>21953549 +>>21953684 +>>21955263 +Unironically study NDEs and realize that there actually is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die. And there are scores of studies confirming that reading about or listening to NDEs lessens or removes the fear of death. And while the Bible and the Qu'ran convinces few people who do not already believe, the book in pic related is known to convince even hardened skeptics that there is an afterlife. + +Here is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real: + +https://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o [Embed] + +It emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out: + +https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist + +>"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, "An afterlife definitely exists"." + +Since NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison. + +Or as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE: + +>"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved." + +Needless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs. +--- 21956812 +>>21953523 (OP) +I dont know if this will help but I like the following two propositions from Wittgenstein’s Tractatus + +>6.4311 Death is not an event of life. Death is not lived through. +If by eternity is understood not endless temporal duration but timelessness, then he lives eternally who lives in the present. Our life is endless in the way that our visual field is without limit. +>6.4312 The temporal immortality of the soul of man, that is to say, its eternal survival also after death, is not only in no way guaranteed, but this assumption in the first place will not do for us what we always tried to make it do. Is a riddle solved by the fact that I survive for ever? Is this eternal life not as enigmatic as our present one? The solution of the riddle of life in space and time lies outside space and time. + +Basically even if we were immortal (which who knows maybe we are) the answer to how to live a “meaningful life” would still remain unsolved, it would just be pushed into eternity. The best you can do is try to find some kind of meaning in every moment you live instead of worrying about death all the time +--- 21956830 +>>21955258 +Yeah +It's one of the more pessimistic or cynical worldviews but it truly just makes sense seeing as everything else becomes meaningless repetition after a certain point. It's this sort of simulacrum or repeats of repeats. And that's with everything +--- 21956835 +Put a shirt on +--- 21956871 +>>21956830 +I don’t understand why people are so scared of the idea of eternal recurrence. Even in my deepest misery I have often taken in simple pleasures like listening to birds sing outside my window on a sunny day and thought “even if I had to live through everything again it would be worth it just to relive this moment”. Something is always better than nothing imo. +--- 21956874 +>>21956871 +I'm not scared by it, I more just find the idea nonsensical and absurd because it's the most plausible + +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincare_recurrence_theorem +--- 21956881 +And as for the buddhists or nietzsche, realizing suffering is a copy of a copy like everything else does not make it more meaningful, but I digress +--- 21956882 +>>21956874 +Is it really meaningless and absurd if you can find some meaning in your little epoch of the cycle? +--- 21956887 +>>21956882 +I guess that's left up to the reader +--- 21956946 +>>21953523 (OP) +Taking for granted that free will doesn't exist, this existential anxiety you're experiencing isn't even *yours* per se: you're just aware of and have diverted your attention to these thoughts appearing and are so absorbed in your own diaphanous consciousness that you *think* this is your dread. That is the insidious mystery of consciousness to me. Where do these thoughts emerge from? Why are you even worried about the inevitability of death at this very moment and not about something else entirely? That question to me, answerable or not, is some small comfort precisely because it reveals I have no ownership of who or what I am, no say in why I like the things I do, why I choose to despair over certain things and not others. When you begin to understand just how *transparent* and invisible consciousness is, you realize how immersed we are in the illusion of it, such that we really actually identify ourselves with these flesh-and-bone machines descended from apes that we've only been commandeering for a few decades. That isn't to say the human experience isn't beautiful or profound, but I almost want to say it's beautiful and profound *in spite of* the agonizing indifference and unsatisfying nature of the universe. We are animals programmed to want to live forever and the universe doesn't fucking care and that angers me, but even that anger is undercut by the very notion that "my anger" isn't even a feasible concept because I don't "own" that anger, it's just an effect of biological facts over which I have ultimately no control. + +It was over when the first replicator emerged. +--- 21956976 +>>21956946 +>I don't "own" that anger, it's just an effect of biological facts over which I have ultimately no control. +This is what reddit does to a mf. +--- 21956984 +>>21956976 +Why do you feel anger at all over the things you do? +--- 21957005 +>>21956946 +>In such a world we can wonder what horrors are in store, but we might not need to look too far for Ligotti shows us a universe that is dsyphoric and nihilistic, one that is fascinatingly revealed in the story of The Clown Puppet, where the protaganist receives certain visitations from a puppet clown (agent of the Big Other?) at different junctures in his life. None of these strange encounters is every very revealing, instead they seem to be both banal and utterly absurd in their marked propensity to undermine any meaning whatsoever. + +>The protagonist is working in a medicine shop one night when the clown suddenly appears handing him a small book, a passport - the passport of his boss, Ivan Vizniak. This intrusion surprises him because he had never thought that anyone else would become a part of the visitation. The puppet floats before him with its dead eyes hollowed out of some hellish mind, bound to strings that vanish in a blur above it in the ceiling where some invisible puppeter of the abyss hides, withdrawn in his dark objecthood, while the clown puppet like some sensuous artifact of wood and string dances on the hollow thoughts of a mad god. + +>Just as protaganist is about to lose his mind and do something rash, the puppet turns its head toward the back of the store where a curtain covers a small store room. The puppet moves off in that direction just as the proprietor who has been sleeping above raps his knuckles on the front door of the shop + +>The protagonist assumed that he was alone, that he'd been singled out: + +"Who knows how many others there were who might say that existence consisted of nothing but the most outrageous nonsense, a nonsense that had nothing unique about it at all and had nothing behind it or beyond it but except more and more nonsense - a new order of nonsense, perhaps an utterly unknown nonsense, but all of it nonsense and nothing but nonsense" +--- 21957036 +>>21956984 +>woah man nobody like really feels anything man like totally *hits blunt* nobody controls anything man +--- 21957057 +>>21957036 +It's not that you don't feel or control anything; it's that you already have to be mentally predisposed to accepting that that *feeling* of control, so immanent, so *itself-in-itself,* is nothing more than whatever your brain has almost perfectly designed to be diaphanous and coincident with whatever *your self* is. +--- 21957065 +>>21957057 +>it nothing more than was if it be +so deep man, go write a book already +--- 21957077 +>>21957065 +I don't actually believe most of what I'm writing, but I'm writing it as an exercise for someone here to hopefully reject it. That's all. + +I want to be wrong. I want there to be more. I want coherence and consistency and love and God. diff --git a/lit/21953528.txt b/lit/21953528.txt index 9ab380b2baea4838c99e9206c8a16851ff42b89d..1a50efe6d4636174177aabe7d91794a16957f571 100644 --- a/lit/21953528.txt +++ b/lit/21953528.txt @@ -35,3 +35,753 @@ mmhmm!, yup!, checks out >Write --- 21953703 if you have to include graphic sex in everything you write then your writing is not good +--- 21953826 +You did write your 2000 daily words today, right /wg/? +--- 21953830 +>>21953826 +nope not a single letter +--- 21953888 +>>21953826 +Stupid smug anime poster. +>my day has even begun. +--- 21953889 +>>21953528 (OP) +Threadly reminder that if you spend more time on world building and explaining your magic system. You are not writing a progression fantasy but an autistic dialogue filler of a wank fest. +--- 21953974 +>>21953889 +I hate what has become of the phrase "world building". + +Monsters do not exist in a vacuum. There is context to why they are there, how they behave, and how the MC can kill them. Indulging that is how you regain the wonder in the fantasy genre + +>inb4 just summon them with magic +--- 21954214 +>>21953644 +I wrote 500 words this morning. I am gonna start doing that more often instead of doing so little else before work. +--- 21954230 +>>21953974 +>There is context to why they are there, how they behave, and how the MC can kill them. +maybe, but are you competent enough to make it interesting? +--- 21954246 +>>21954230 +Yes. +--- 21954785 +>pic related +Question about writing in the third person limited. At the end of the paragraph, I have a single sentence that I wrote in three different ways. I want to know if any of them are simply wrong for writing in third person limited or if they carry different meanings at all. Personally, I don't like using italics to write character thoughts, but sometimes in writing, I don't add 'they thought' to the end, like in the first example. Anyone willing to share their thoughts on how this should read? +--- 21954801 +>>21954785 +I'm partial to the third one. It connects it back to the start of the paragraph reinforcing the whole thing as his thoughts, and the italics make it a bit clearer +--- 21954828 +>>21954785 +I like the first option, for the opposite reason that >>21954801 stated - the double use of "thought" in such a short span felt a bit repetitive to me. I guess it really is different strokes for different folks. +--- 21954840 +>>21953826 +Yes, I already finished before I went to sleep at 4AM. +--- 21954845 +>>21953644 +Was Fitzgerald the best prose writer among his contemporaries? +--- 21954858 +>>21953826 +Yeah, but I deleted most of it and I'm currently rewriting it. It's just smut anyway. +--- 21954911 +>>21954246 +Citation required. +>>21954785 +Anything with italics must be deleted. +>>21953584 +At first i thought you were trying to hard but then you kept on trying. +--- 21954979 +>>21954785 +Fourth option: "I'm not going anywhere", in italics, sans "he thought" +--- 21955071 +Will they laugh at me if I tell them I'm writing a comic script... + +But seriously, I've been writing, finishing and revising this for so long that it has become stale to me, to the point that I cannot bring myself to do the final revision and actually draw the damn thing. You really should strike the iron while it's hot. It also explains why some mangas go downhill after a while, their very authors just get tired of their own creation. Revision hell is creative death. + +Looks like it's really best to do just one small self contained story rather than le big ebic DEEEEP multi-faceted nuanced morally grey LE MASTERPIECE. We get bombarded with tales of praise of these great writers and come to think we cannot afford to do anything less in order to be even considered, everything that's being made HAS to be the best thing ever or it's automatically shit. Expectations. We're asking too much of ourselves, nobody will make a great piece or even a good one on their first go. True creativity probably can only be achieved if art is treated as a hobby and not a job by he who pursues it unless you really are that exceptionally talented that you can live off of it, but I'll stop here +--- 21955092 +>>21954785 +Use the third one. I just check my copy of Dune whenever I need to know how to write something. + + +also. +>>21954911 +filtered +--- 21955106 +Burnman by Clark Ashe + +A despondent electrician is freed from jail in return for joining a treacherous retrieval mission. + +In 2085, the world is rocked by the sudden disappearance of artificial intelligence. A series of natural disasters twenty years ago caused a famine which killed roughly five percent of the world's population. Without the assistance of AI, global leaders fear a repeated descent into anarchy. Their concerns lead to the establishment of a United Nations task force, nicknamed the "Burnmen", dedicated to recovering and restoring old AI algorithms at any cost. However, the assignment proves more dangerous than initially thought, as several squads vanish without a trace. + +Wilbur Reed is an aimless thirty-something electrician who lives in Northwest Detroit. Despite the city's transformation into an agricultural hub, it still suffers rampant blackouts and supply shortages. When Reed gets caught siphoning electricity on behalf of a friend, he's thrown in jail and left to starve. But his connections soon buy him another chance -- at the brink of life and death. + +4fun project but want to see how it turns out. Haven't written anything yet. Action/Adventure/Thriller +--- 21955119 +>>21953528 (OP) +I haven't picked up a current year book in so long. Why does everyone use the British dash and single quotes now? +--- 21955149 +>>21955071 +>Will they laugh at me if I tell them I'm writing a comic script... +They'll laugh at you just the same as when you say you're writing a book. A million people are "writing" a book. Until you produce something people will roll their eyes and laugh behind their hands because you're not doing anything. +> I've been writing, finishing and revising this for so long that it has become stale to me, to the point that I cannot bring myself to do the final revision and actually draw the damn thing +>working on a comic strip +>hasn't drawn anything +are you even listening to yourself? there is no comic strip. there is nothing. +--- 21955177 +>>21955119 +gives me hopium as a yank who prefers british spellings +>noooooo you were born on this pile of dirt and not that other pile of dirt, so you have to spell defence as "defense" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! +get over it, i'm a denizen of the internet, let me use whichever spelling i want +--- 21955188 +>>21955119 +As a child I read more british authors than american, Roald Dahl, CS Lewis, Richard Adams, JRR Tolkien, and as a result I prefer british spellings and turns of phrase to american ones. I also took latin in school and a number of english words the biritsh spelling is closer to the latin root. theatre, for instance, from the latin theatrum. grey instead of gray because I don't like fags. + +Basically what I'm saying is british english has many more centuries of writing and history than american english, so I tend to prefer it. +--- 21955192 +>>21955177 + +But anon, consider "defensive" and now you realize why "defense" makes more sense. +--- 21955243 +>>21955192 +AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA +--- 21955250 +>>21954785 +1st +--- 21955326 +>>21953528 (OP) +The elevator came to a complete halt, making it's five occupants jerk inside with the suddenness. The power went out and the emergency back up came on in the space of ten seconds. Enough time to be encapsulated in a blinding darkness that made Chanel make a sharp gasp of surprise. + +"What was that?" Vera questioned as she regained her balance. + +"Power outage," Videl answered her," It's just a power outage. Everyone stay calm," + +"That's the first time this happened," Colson mused to Chanel. + +"It's not the first time, at least not for me," Videl said, calmly. + +"You're saying this is a repeating problem?" Bernice asked, incredously," What the fuck? Why hasn't this been fixed already?" + +"It's just teething problems. It'll sort itself out after ten minutes or so," Videl assuaged. + +Bernice gave Videl a sour look but chose to seal his lips as he brought out his phone and saw that he had no bars at all. + +"Does anyone have service on their phone?" Bernice questioned," Mine is out," + +Colson and Vera checked their phones. + +"No service," Colson said. + +"No service either," Vera said as she gazed at her phone. + +"That's great," Berince jested before looking at Videl," Is this part of the power outage too?" + +"I never noticed," Videl softly smiled. + +"Damn it," Bernice muttered under his breath, the irritability getting to him. + +Chanel hooked an arm around Colson's and rested her head against his shoulder. + +"And to think we could have left early without so much as a travail," Chanel softly said. + +"Have faith," Colson softly squeezed her hand in comfort," Mr. Videl said it'll be ten minutes at the most. That is your name, isn't it?" + +"That's kind of you to notice a lowly security guard," Videl mused. +--- 21955355 +>>21955326 +>mused +in neither of the lines of dialogue are they musing +>assuaged +what's wrong with said? and every line has dialogue tags or people fussing and bussing and dancing and whatever else. +>Bernice muttered under his breath +I did not know Bernice was a man's name +>And to think we could have left early without so much as a travail +I don't think travail is the correct word. Even if it is the correct word - it isn't - you shouldn't use it in the way you've used it. +--- 21955439 +>>21955355 +"Oy vey, muh shekels," Goldberg chucked. + +"This is anudda shoah!" he sneeded. +--- 21955500 +>>21955149 +>there is nothing. +My point exactly! +--- 21955514 +>The good woman is chased. +Sometimes I write a sentence and then think to myself "that's a really good sentence" +--- 21955522 +>>21955514 +Reminds me of a joke my father made a couple of times. +"Your mother was chaste, and then I caught her." +It works better when spoken instead of written, but I've always found it to be very funny. +--- 21955623 +>>21955106 +You have my interest. Synopsis was written well and I like the concept. Definitely write it. +--- 21955642 +How do I do on atmosphere and making you feel for my character's safety and creating while trying to maintain an impending sense of doom and dread? +--- 21955729 +>>21953826 +I've made my goal to write 3000, words every day. +Last week I couldn't manage over 50. +Now I'm writing 300 a day so far. So one of these I hope +--- 21955774 +>>21955642 +An issue you have throughout the entire piece is you spend 10 words saying something when 3 would do. Example: +>Another reason I wanted to get the ball and go back to my car so I could drive home was that dusk was looming +This is a lot of extraneous unnecessary information +>but I was too caught up in a mixture of confusion and fear, which had left me paralysed as my eyes locked with the eyes of this strange humanoid ape-like creature that was just sitting quietly perched on a rock observing me minding its own buisness. +Holy run on sentence. Tighten it up. If you want to add tension remove the part where he perceives the monster as just minding its own business. +>The thing sat staring at me. A hairy humanoid, an ape-like creature with a jutting jaw and neanderthal brow, perched on a nearby rock. It saw me, and it saw me seeing it. I should've slowly stood up and backed off - I should've spun around and torn off through the woods running as fast as I could - but I couldn't. I couldn't move, I couldn't yell, I couldn't think. All I could do in that moment was sit paralyzed in fear. +--- 21955777 +Did anon ever post more than 4 of these? +--- 21955780 +>>21955774 +>It saw me, and it saw me seeing it. +on reread it should be: It saw me, and it saw that I saw it. +--- 21955782 +Does this make any sense +“Nativity as a symptom of age is cured only by the origin of the ailment itself” +--- 21955791 +>>21955782 +no +did you mean "naivety"? +even then it doesn't make sense +--- 21955801 +>>21955791 +Sorry, yes. English not first language. +Why doesn’t this work? +I want to say that she causes one to be naive (youth) but it is also cured by aging itself. How would I alter my sentence? +--- 21955807 +>>21955801 +I meant age* not she +--- 21955878 +>>21955801 +To reword it, you'd need to use age as a verb so that the reader understands that some aging results in naivety, but more aging cures it. Otherwise you're writing "Naivety as a symptom of [being young] is cured only by [being young]." which doesn't make sense. +--- 21955902 +>>21955782 +>We are made naive by age, and cured of this very ailment by the continuation of its cause. +--- 21955909 +>>21955902 +my reading comprehension is retarded +it should actually be +>Naivety, as a symptom of one's age, is cured by further passage of time. +--- 21955930 +>>21955777 +The mad anon wrote his hackwork, scribbling. +--- 21956153 +ESLtard writing in English here. How the fuck do you call or describe the action being done in pic related? Like putting your elbows on the table or whatever and putting your head into your hands as an expression of feeling depressed and/or defeated. +I feel like there's a phrase or expression for this but I can't fucking figure it out. +--- 21956163 +>>21956153 +>I feel like there's a phrase or expression for this +You'd think so. +You'd really fucking think so. +--- 21956168 +>>21956153 +Anon sat down at the table, despondent that he had failed to meet his daily word count goal yet again. With a sigh, he rested his head on his hands and wondered if he would ever finish his manuscript. +--- 21956175 +>>21956153 +i say 'he rested his head on his hands' but im not sure if thats too vague to picture +--- 21956187 +>>21956163 +Being ESL is a nightmare, you never know if you're just stupid or if there's simply no proper word to describe something you want to depict in text without being confusing. +>>21956168 +>>21956175 +So I guess it really is just "to rest one's head on one's hands"? Does it implicitly suggest that the elbows are on the table like that? +What if the palms cover the whole face instead of the cheeks? +--- 21956196 +>>21956153 +>people who browse the internet so much their brain can only form thoughts in visual meme format + +rip your router out of your wall and throw your phone in the trash. +--- 21956201 +>>21956187 +i think being caught up in super specific details like that will bog down the narration. there are times you just have to depend on the reader to get the implication. >>21956168 this is pretty vivid enough to get the picture. it all depends on the context +--- 21956204 +>>21956196 +What the fuck are you talking about? How is this a fucking meme format? It's a stickman drawing I made in paint. Get the stick out of your ass. +>>21956201 +All right, seems like it's clear enough like that. Thanks. +--- 21956244 +>>21956187 +"Where did it go wrong?" he mused. "All I wanted was to figure out how to properly depict a scene, but instead I spent all day drawing stick figures and arguing with shitposters on the internet." +Anon covered his face and rubbed his exhausted eyes. Writing in a second language was so much more difficult than he had imagined. +--- 21956268 +>>21956153 +He rested his chin on his hands. But if you want more context for the character being upset he could be leaning on his hands or some other verb that could describe how the posture looks. Maybe even emphasis where he's looking, a facial description, something like that to add to it if necessary. +Since you mentioned it, if someone is upset and covers their face, it is "burying your face in your hands" or "holding your head in your hands." +--- 21956274 +>>21956244 +Joke's on you, I already wrote 1100 words today, which is way above my average. +Anyway, that's enough avatarfagging, thanks for your help anons. +>>21956268 +>"burying your face in your hands" +That's a good one, much appreciated. +--- 21956300 +>>21956274 +Perhaps not all was lost, though. Advice was given and advice was taken. Brief breaks were healthy for both mind and body. There was no shame in taking some time off to improve his craft. Spirits uplifted, he opened his eyes again and began anew on the endless work. +--- 21956352 +Is fanfiction valid here or will that get me chased out of the room +--- 21956369 +>>21956352 +literally anything other than unreadable wannabe ulysses type shit will get random spergs trying to chase you off +--- 21956376 +>>21955782 +"The young are naive, but it never lasts." + +Adjust your pronouns and tenses as necessary +--- 21956378 +>>21956352 +Post it, don't worry too much about anonymous chuds who don't write. +--- 21956386 +if I post my work here will normies discriminate against me? assuming I eventually want to publish traditionally +--- 21956392 +>>21956352 +i was told it is against the rules, but i'd like to open discussion to it, since fanfiction is no less valid than animewriting and genreshit +--- 21956398 +>>21956386 +Literally nobody cares dude, if you think you're going to get trad pubbed, you're fucking dreaming. +--- 21956400 +>>21956386 +I would ask these normies to explain how they knew it was posted here. +--- 21956409 +there's nothing more pathetic than daydreaming about getting canceled before you've even finished a short story +what a fucking loser +--- 21956411 +>>21956386 +You're not getting tradpubbed unless you: + +- are a nigger, a woman, a tranny, disabled, etc + +- have a non-white sounding name + +- are one of the protected races (not white or lightskinned nonwhite, unless you're a jew) + +- write fiction which toes the political line or is otherwise aggressively inoffensive + +Pick at least three of these. If you qualify, you may have a chance at getting tradpubbed. + +The silver bullet is knowing someone in publishing, in which case almost any hack can get published +--- 21956412 +>>21956398 +I will get traditionally published. +--- 21956544 +>>21956409 +this is a pretty aggressive statement to make lol. shit on the wrong side of the bed? +--- 21956731 +>>21956709 +I was part of their server a few years ago, I guess it's a good thing I never got too involved. +They had a weird culture around doxxing, as in the active users felt entitled to know everyone's personal information because "everyone's already doxxed". The fact that someone is just sharing the doxx that they already possessed doesn't surprise me at all. The server was dominated by schizo ramblings and pretentiousness, it was just a matter of time before someone blew it all up. +--- 21956758 +2000 words a day is fucking insane. It takes me an hour to an hour and a half to write just 500 words. I don't have 5 hours to spend on writing per day. +--- 21956775 +>>21956709 +schizos think some guy is gonna dox them so they do a bit of the ol' Roman "pre-emptive defensive retaliation" and dox him instead +--- 21956782 +>>21956398 +>From the left +You did NOT need to tell me that. +--- 21956787 +>>21956758 +2000 words a day isn't really necessary at all. It tickles me that this community makes up rules for others to follow without proving their own success. It comes off as sabotage honestly +--- 21956794 +>>21956787 +If you don't realize that the 2000 words a day poster is a sabotaging crab by his image alone I don't know what to tell you. +--- 21956804 +>>21956731 +That place was a powder keg waiting to blow, and Rhyme decided to light the match +--- 21956818 +>>21956804 +at this point the magazine is obsolete anyway, if you actually want to write and get feedback you can do that immediately through any of the resources in this general. a lot of the magazine submissions were either trolls or edgy accelerationist tripe. very few stories of real interest +--- 21956861 +>>21956731 +>redditscord +so for anyone wondering why whenever some fag shows up here whining about making some discord server and people tell him to fuck off, remember this. nothing good comes from discord. +--- 21956862 +>>21956818 +are you talking about &amp or unreal? +--- 21956891 +>>21956862 +i'm talking about unreal but from what i've read of &amp they suffered from quality control issues too. just throw all the ecelebs in the trash +--- 21956897 +Has there been a good book that came out of this shithole? +--- 21956903 +>>21956897 +Son of the Sun by Charles Dearmore was good +--- 21957012 +test +--- 21957016 +>>21956897 +my diary desu +--- 21957080 +>>21956897 +I rather liked "Son Of The Sun" (as >>21956903 said) as well as "Salvation On Peril Island" by Nash Knight, and "Xenos Depths" by Michael D. Cinder. +--- 21957163 +>>21956411 +Where the fuck do white men get all this hate from +I don't see any of them whipping slaves or beating and raping women. +Why are they treated like they're doing all of that and more? +I think it's just some social media thing and secretly women only want to fuck white men but on the outside they have to pretend they don't or something. +It's so bizzare. +--- 21957168 +>>21957163 +You know who. +--- 21957172 +21957167 +The war in Ukraine is based because it is another American proxy war against Russia. +Also, writing, please fuck off. +--- 21957173 +>>21957163 +haha I dunno haha I bet it's just some social media thing like you said tho +haha +--- 21957179 +What must we do for divinity now! +--- 21957183 +Great, we are getting raided by schizo retards. Can't you fuck off to /pol/ or at least make your own thread? +--- 21957184 +>>21957183 +You first. +Stop giving them attention, retard. +--- 21957205 +>>21953569 +I found a way to make myself have a bowel movement. I learned the hard way when I was driving to work. Driving has always made me anxious, and the rush in the morning to get to the office amplified the feeling. The problem is, is that morning is usually when I have a bowel movement. So, I'd get up, shower, hop in the car with only 30 minutes until clock-in, and 20 minutes on the road, and 10 minutes in to my drive, all worked up from the traffic, its stop and go pace, my eyes darting from the gridlock to the clock, I felt that dreadful drop in my stomach. I looked for an off-ramp, but I thought maybe I could make it, that I was close enough to the office and could hold it. As I raced through the parking ramp, looking for a place to park, the drop in my stomach turned to a push. I tried to hold it back but my sphincter relented. I called my boss from the parking ramp, said I was sick, and wouldn't be in that day. I drove home, sitting in my shit. +Later, I thought about Jacques Lacan, and his seminar on anxiety. In the seminar, he made a connection between anxiety and shitting. I thought about this, how my need to shit seemed to kick up when I was driving. Knowing that driving made me anxious, I made the connection. So, before I went to work, I learned to make myself anxious, that it would release my bowels, force a movement. I usually had to do this three or four times in the morning, but I never shit my pants again. Although there were a few close calls. +--- 21957302 +I’m in a mood. If you’ve got questions, I’ve got answers. Worked in the industry blah blah. And no, I’m not liable to read your work. +--- 21957306 +>>21957302 +how correct are claims like >>21956411? +I heard there was once a shitshow in Spain because a famous "female mystery author" won an award and at the award ceremony it was revealed that it was actually three dudes working under a pseudonym specifically to avoid antimale discrimination +--- 21957336 +>>21957306 +It’s generally untrue and mostly /pol/ level schizo posting mixed with copium for not getting +published. + +While there is some truth that there are now programs/publishers that solely focus on publishing lgbtq, female, poc, etc, authors, it’s by no means the gold standard, or even the norm. You’ve got to remember two things. The first is that publishing, thanks to the internet, is so fucking vast and expansive compared to what it once was that niche publishers that cater only the above can exist without treading on the toes of the big five. (And the big five in no means cater solely to those listen above.) Second, women and the lgbtq make up the biggest demographic in these areas. Statistically most writers are female now. Most who work in the industry are female. And most who read are female. (Though genre breakdown can have make domination). The point is, seeing more female writers shouldn’t be surprising. Same with lgbtq writers. + +However he is correct about two things. The first is that anyone can be published. Good or bad. Hack or not. Publishers take chances on anyone since trendcashing doesn’t work well in the industry outside of certain niches. Harry Potter got popular because librarians pushed it. Fifty shades is a twilight fanfic that scratched some fucking itch for middle aged women. Both are middling. + +The second truth is that it’s a fuckton easier to be published if you know someone within the industry. Networking is important in this business. + + +Also what in the fuck happened to this thread, and 4chan in general +--- 21957339 +>>21957336 +>Most who work in the industry are female. And most who read are female +Oh, so rather than being an actual conspiracy, it's plain old in-group favoritism. +--- 21957347 +>>21957339 +...Sexism. You're trying to say sexism. That's what it is. +--- 21957354 +>>21957336 +>Publishers take chances on anyone +>harry potter +was rejected a number of times +>50 shades +was self published success first +you don't know shit about shit. I almost expect you actually are in the industry because you're so fucking clueless +--- 21957359 +>>21957306 +>>21957336 +To add as an after thought, mostly people care about what you write. At least on the smaller end of the publishing spectrum. Good writing thrives there. Larger end/big 5 publishing is all about impressions and pitching. You’ve got to remember your work is being pitted against literal thousands of others, and if you think your the only sole good story, you would be dead wrong. Not to mention that personal taste can go along way too. The general point is that luck plays a major factor, as the pool of writers is so god damned vast. Statistically 80% of people think they have a story. 60% think they could make a good memoir. As a result more and more traditionally “none white” writers are being published since, you know, the fucking pool is big now. And anons like that can’t cope. + +As for the idea that traditional publishing is garbage, I counter that by asking you to produce me a self published title that was a commercial success. No, you cannot use the Martian it’s literally the only example. +--- 21957365 +>>21957347 +Yes sure and who cares. Women can be sexist if they want. I certainly am. And racist. Women now control publishing in ways men used to, men weren't exactly benevolent with that control either. +--- 21957368 +>>21957359 +>self published title that was a commercial success +50 shades, you dunce +colleen hoover +--- 21957371 +>>21957359 +>I counter that by asking you to produce me a self published title that was a commercial success +Not only can I point to one, I can point to one from here: fortysixtyfour's Trailer Trash. Not only did it and does it sell on amazon, it makes the vast majority of its money through Patreon. + +Like it or not, serialized web fiction w/ "pay to read ahead" type Patreon schemes is the most viable method for any independent author to make money from their work and start building a fanbase for themselves. +--- 21957379 +>>21957371 +>https://www.patreon.com/FortySixtyFour +>picrel +bruh +--- 21957384 +>>21957339 +Cope. +The point that I’m making is that there is a larger female pool to pull from than male at the moment. We’re talking a fucking 5:1 ratio at least. More female authors means more females published. More females in the industry means more females who get published via networking. The same thing happened when it was male dominated, but I doubt you’d call it sexism then. It’s like decrying that there aren’t enough professional female gamers, when the pool is vastly in favour of nolifer betas grinding out sick dubs, than a female incel who’s better than my boy flower , she probably exists, but she’s drowned out by the sheer volume of also competent male players. Same thing happening here. A ton more female writers who are just as good as you, or better, and so your ass is staying the proverbial pool. Learn to market yourself, or get better. + +>>21957354 +Wow you cracked the code. Are you published my son? + +Explain to me how a publisher chooses whom to publish, and I’ll slap my dick on your face with a response when your done. + +Gods these threads are fucking Whiney when compared to several years ago +--- 21957388 +>>21957384 +>but I doubt you’d call it sexism then +no, it was sexism back then too +sneed +--- 21957394 +>>21957384 +>I’ll slap my dick on your face with a response +your circumcised dick, right? +--- 21957400 +>>21957368 +Fiddy shades would not have reached the same amount of success, nor the same audience level without traditional publishing….and it ended up being traditionally published wow big shocker very surprise, many impress. + +>>21957371 +You are partially correct. Partially. +Trailer trash is nothing, and not what I mean when referring to commercial success. It’s commercially viable, but it is not on the same level hunger games, Harry Potter, gentleman bastards, etc. Fuck not even on the same level as KSBD. Nor as big as the Martian. Whomp whomp. On top of that serialized web fiction is by definition a different medium than traditional publishing. + +But if you’ve ever paid attention to my fucking praddlings over the years, you would know that you are fucking correct as shit when it comes to the fact that you need to build an audience before getting published now. It’s what separates people from the crowd, and wether you self publish first, do serialized web fiction, or just have a large Twitter following, it’s what needed nowadays to get published. It’s one of the few metrics which is followed to some degree +--- 21957406 +>>21957388 +aww man guess the pro gamers are sexist. You should start an all female league team. + +>>21957394 +Stay unpublished. +--- 21957413 +I notice you didn't say anything about Colleen Hoover, you clownshoes jew. go suck a little yidlings freshly cut dick. thank god online publishing has made you irrelevant +--- 21957415 +>>21957400 +I think the thing about western tradpub that actually makes me completely abandon the idea of going that route is the contrast it has to eastern markets. + +You know what happens to successful webnovels in China, Japan, Korea? They get picked up as Light Novels, adapted to comics. More success, and they get adapted to animation, or live dramas, or both. + +You will NEVER see this happen in the west outside of insane outliers like Martian or Metro or that dogshit tiktok book that krimsonrogue tore apart recently. Even then the author's sister is an industry insider. +--- 21957463 +>>21957302 +Is sending short stories to magazines still a viable way to make some pocket change? +--- 21957475 +>>21957415 +I’m not sure I agree. It’s happened in western traditional publishing, it’s just not found the same degree of success. KSBD, OJST, LOO and a myriad of others have found some success, and they are “outsiders”. I’d argue the fact that most published work requires authors to have some start online now shows that successful series will find footholds in traditional publishing, it’s just that they have yet to find the same level of success that traditional publish has. + +The reason is…unclear at the moment. It’s an interesting debate. Some argue that online web literature has too much of a narrow scope and is formed to fit a niche by need, and as a result will never reach the large audience as some broad appeal is needed. Others have argued that long format web content cannot be adapted to fit various other mediums which causes lack of reach (this is retarded, by the by.) I’ve seen some good arguments however that the movie industry refuses to take chances on web media however, which would limit its reach that way. I think contracts play a large part in it too though, look at wattpad. + +The point is it’s a whole ass debate. I submit to you however, good luck being published easternly. The pol nuts think it’s bad here, hooo boy. + +Speaking of. Colleen Hoover who? +--- 21957476 +Magic is real as all is abstract. +Every thought is infinitely abstract. +Every thought is a soul/love. + +The only god/power/motive is love. +--- 21957482 +>>21957463 +To make pocket change? Absolutely not. Especially since some magazines will even charge you to publish with them/enter into the pool. + +However, it is worth doing for exposure reasons, networking reasons, and obviously showing you can work with an editor/publisher. Plus it shows your involved in the industry. That’s looked at favourably. + +Combine it with some form of social media and you’ve got a good start. +--- 21957483 +>>21957475 +>good luck being published easternly +I don't plan to, I don't speak gook or chink or jap or BTS +I'm just gonna stick to the ol' webfic Patreon grind +--- 21957487 +>>21957463 +Oh and thank you for an actual question that isn’t just some seething level copium. + +I’ll add that if you love doing short stories, look into doing a chapbook, and look for a chapbook publisher. Same thing as a mag, but also provides a good amount of street cred publishing wise. +--- 21957495 +>>21957482 +I was speaking of the ones where they pay you for submissions, such as publishers like Apex Magazine or Clarkesworld, since I mostly write pulp and fantasy. George R. R. Martin was a prolific short story writer for 20 years, and he still managed to live a somewhat comfy life before his big break. +--- 21957501 +>>21957487 +Anyways, I thank you for the suggestion and for taking the time to answer any of my questions; since I assume that everything involving the process of submission and publishing must seem inconceivably droll to you now. +--- 21957502 +>>21957475 +What are your thoughts on an idea of mine. +I have a webnovel that once I finish what I would consider my first book, I would like to make a novel appropriate form of the story, and then either self publish, or, if my following becomes sizeable enough, try to get it traditionally published. +Right now my story is over 400k words, but I think I could skip past a lot of things and just make callbacks to explain the characters and world so that it could be read by someone who has never read my webnovel version. Part of this is because I am somewhat writing from only a loose outline of my plot and it is my first project so some of what I've written is a result of wanting to explore the character and the logical path taken to reach where they end up. +There is a story I've read most of called Beneath the Dragon Eye Moons, which split the story into books and sells them selfpub through amazon. But it is literally just the webnovel in print and I don't see it actually fitting well. +--- 21957518 +>>21957502 +>There is a story I've read most of called Beneath the Dragon Eye Moons +Oh god, your going to shit out yet more PC filler trash aren't you. +--- 21957521 +>>21957495 +>>21957501 +You’re good. Apex magazine pays surprisingly well, especially the podcast feature payout too. + +I’d say if your trying to make a living off of only short story publishing, as I say with most things, don’t quit your day job. Takes a mixture of skill, luck and opportunity for these kinds of things to work out, so don’t jump into the deep end without a life jacket. + +The key to making a living off it however, would be submitting everywhere. You would need multiple short stories in multiple magazines to keep yourself afloat. As an example, apex there publishes a magazine once every two months it looks like, which means 6 opportunities for payouts. So you need to have stories in other magazines to keep cash flowing. + +If you are new to this, and important thing to keep in mind is that you should only submit one story to each magazine at a time. You can’t send your one story to five publishers at once. It has to be one story, one publisher, and then move onto the next if you get rejected. This would mean you need multiple stories on the go. Also make sure to follow their submission instructions to a T. Don’t get disqualified because you forgot to dot your I’s. Also you are going to get a lot of no’s. Do not be discouraged, this is standard and you can’t take it personally. + +And no worries, honestly. I show up in these threads (usually drunk) specifically to help people get a start. The process of submissions and publishing are the bread and butter. +--- 21957536 +>>21957518 +I didn't really care that much for the story in all honesty. I just used it as an example of a story that I know of which published their webnovel in a print format. And I don't know what you mean by PC filler, but I'm guessing you mean because it is stupidly long and thus the files fill up the PC. Or, you mean politically correct, which I can understand as sometimes the story did come off as preachy to me. Anyway, I dropped the story because the author seemed more enamored by shaking up the status quo than actually making a story. Once they left the main nation that the story took place in, it barely felt like I was reading the same thing anymore and it never really recovered. One thing that I do not want to become, is an author who can't let a story die. I have three endings planned out but until I reach the final one, I could keep doing more with my setting, but I'd rather not. I have an idea for a second story, one which is completely unrelated, and I want to write that eventually, but I just don't have anything more than the premise and so it isn't actually anything but a fart in the wind. +--- 21957539 +>>21957521 +Thank you. If you will suffer me just a little longer, I have one last question. + +Do you think it is still possible to be a relatively unknown person as an author like Pynchon, or to write something as a pen name and never have your actual face nor features known by any save for your friends? If the latter is not possible, then I wonder how feasible the pen name still is. +--- 21957542 +>>21957379 +This is legit crippling. It makes everything feel so futile. A sick joke. How the fuck do you muster the will to write seriously, when there are people getting rich by writing shitty pretend-video games? +--- 21957545 +>>21957502 +I think you’ve got an interesting idea. And again, building a base before traditional publishing is a really good idea. + +I think the biggest caveat to consider is that a web novel and a traditional novel are two different mediums, especially considering your web novel has 400k words. (Split the difference and say your average novel has 100,000 words, you nearly have four books worth.) if/when you adapt to a traditional novel you either have to adapt the works so that 1/4th of your web novel fits neatly into a regular book, (with all the hallmarks of a satisfying conclusion of a first novel). Or you will have to adapt your work to the novel format which means you will essentially be writing it from the ground up again. (You could edit what you have down, but that will take some time and skill.) + +And interesting idea might be to have your main web novel be its own series, and then write another new novel, with the same protagonist/world but going on a different adventure. + + +As for self publishing. I’m usually against it, especially if you already have a following for your webnovel. But if you do go for it, avoid anything where you pay for it to be published. And be prepared to market yourself. +--- 21957546 +>>21957542 +two different perspectives +there are people getting rich by writing shitty pretend-video games, of course I can get rich writing +--- 21957553 +>>21956758 +>It takes me an hour to an hour and a half to write just 500 words +That's approximately 0.18 words per minute. The average writing speed for adults is 40-50 words per minute. In other words, you spent most of the time just sitting there, doing nothing. If you actually wrote, 2000 words per day would be easy. +--- 21957557 +>>21957553 +>thinking what to write actually takes up the most time "writing" +GEE NO SHIT +--- 21957558 +>>21957546 +No one cares if it doesn't have *bing* *bing* wahoo level up! and time loops. +--- 21957561 +>>21957557 +Then it's not writing that takes time, it's your lack of a brain. It's not an activity for idiots. +--- 21957564 +>>21957558 +I was already going to write fantasy or cyberpunk of some sort +stapling on a superficial litrpg system that does nothing to affect the world, rather only describes the character's progression is not just easy, it's been done before +--- 21957568 +>>21957539 +That is a very good question with an unclear answer. + +Old heads argue no, and don’t see the reason as to why you would want to hide your name/face anyways. Plus book signings are a cornerstone of marketing. But this mostly is because they are out of touch boomers who lack the understanding of the horrors of the modern world. New heads argue the same thing just opposite direction, as social media presence, parasocial relationships and personal branding is practically a must in this day and age. Besides who wouldn’t want to be famous? + +BUT + +There are still authors with pen names, who do find success. But they often already have a strong network or good online presence. But more importantly avatar/virtual entertainment is rising and proving successful in other entertainment areas, and I think that success would be found here in the literature world too. You would still need a social media and a following. But its possible it can be done via an avatar or virtual character. How seriously you would be taken is unknown. + +It has happened much yet, but I think it’s viable. If you want to be safe, go the pen name route with maybe an AI generated face. Which that btw a hasn’t even been discussed yet. But should work just fine. Avatar stuff is unknown so if you want to play it safe don’t use that yet. + +I hope all that makes sense, I’m becoming less coherent +--- 21957570 +>>21957568 +just do the socmed shit but do it as a persona rather than using your real name +--- 21957571 +>>21957564 +>I was already going to write fantasy or cyberpunk of some sort +I was talking about serious writing here. Please don't (you) me ever again +--- 21957574 +>>21957571 +nobody wants to read litfic +not even those who masturbate about how high brow it is +they just want to be able to say they've read litfic + +and you, my friend, don't have the luxury of being an 18th-century scholar +--- 21957589 +>>21957574 +i feel like the mistake that writers make here is thinking that genre fiction can't talk about the human condition. 99% of readers will go to genre because it has the tropes that are familiar to them. all you need is to put your own spin on it and then you've made something soulful that readers will remember +--- 21957595 +>>21957589 +100% this +dumb anons automatically think all genrefic has to be schlock supreme, and that unashamed schlock can't be profound or have profound moments + +no, it has to be ulysses all the way through because nothing less will get my intellicock hard enough to psionically fuck my own ass +--- 21957598 +>>21957384 +KEK, you're a retard, but I will add to your black sermon: in the publishing industry, men still have an advantage in that women fucking hate each other and do not hesitate to destroy one or the other's career, should any of them toe the (generally arbitrary, social media-made) line. Though I am sure they would destroy a man's career, they don't do it with the particular glee that they do when it's female vs. female. So, men can slip under the radar, more often than not, if they aren't idiots. +--- 21957609 +>>21957598 +You need to be like, not a child to post here. +--- 21957623 +>>21957536 +as long as the mc doesnt stay 'weak' for a hundred + chapters and there isnt a prison arc or tranny/furry shit, count me in! +--- 21957625 +>>21957536 +What story was this? I like fics that go around the world. +--- 21957628 +>>21957589 +It can speak to the human condition--so long as the writer stays within the box placed around him by genre readers, genre agents, and genre publishers. But genre cannot and never will reach the sublime. +--- 21957631 +>>21957628 +no matter how "le sublime" your dollarstore finnegan's wake is, it means nothing if nobody reads it +--- 21957632 +>>21957609 +"...like, not a child..." Feminine hands wrote this. +--- 21957633 +>>21956758 +2000 words a day is easy as fuck. + +Getting someone to read your book? MUCH harder. +--- 21957634 +>>21957631 +And yet, what do you know, people read Finnegan's Wake and it is studied in academia. kek. Go to bed anon you drunk fuck. +--- 21957636 +>>21957634 +And nobody will read yours, even if it magically matches the original, because nobody would read or publish Finnegan's Wake if it were written today or ten years ago +(yours won't be even 1/20 the quality, it'll be hyper-obtuse reader-hostile schizo ramblings) +--- 21957641 +>it's another litfic vs. genrefic shitflinging episode on /wg/ +who even gives a shit? +it's not like litfic fags ever release anything and genrefic fags never post excerpts because litfic fags always seethe about it +--- 21957643 +>>21957636 +I never claimed my work is any good at all. Nor do I wish to write like Joyce. But even if I did, it doesn't change the fact that genre will never achieve the sublime. +--- 21957644 +>>21957545 +I think editing down my story would be nearly impossible, and anything that comes out of such a project would be so heavily changed that rewriting it from the start would be easier. +I intend to use the settings, characters, and plot, of that story. +Does the reader need to go through the years of his mental unwellness and the cause of this? No, these are things that I enjoy writing about and they flesh out the story, but in the grand scheme, I think that readers can understand these parts of him with a few lines i.e since he has a history of violence, people are afraid of him, but he makes some other choice like comforting a child. +Then, have him actually do something incredibly violent, to show that those rumors have a basis in reality. +I think that I can get across his biggest trait, which is a contradiction in how the world views him, what he does, and what he wants to do. +People don't need to read the full backstory of how he made friends, they just need to see the characters interact in a way that shows how deep their bonds are. + +I agree about self-publishing, though it is more of a pride thing for me, anyone can selfpub, but, if I can get traditionally published then I would feel like I've accomplished something beyond whatever I end up making on patreon. + +Now, about making more stories in the world as a side series, that sorta goes into an idea I've had kicking around my head, but is so far off that I don't even want to think of writing it. +A story which takes place in such a far future from the current story that it would seem to be a different world on the surface, but references would reveal the connection and make people wonder how things have changed in such huge ways. +I don't really care that much for the idea, but I find it interesting as a writing exercise to think of how the current actions might reverberate through time. +--- 21957646 +>>21957641 +I mean it is a rare fool who would doxx themselves just to win a schizo argument on a Mongolian basket weaving forum. +--- 21957649 +>>21957625 +Beneath The Dragon Eye Moons like the post before mentioned. +>It has an interesting magic system with a woke panzy ass female MC who makes a stupid binding vow of non violence and mary sues her way through everything. +--- 21957650 +>>21957646 +no I mean that litfic fags never release anything +at all +we have what, one guy who released a litfic book, and it's K.K. Wing, emily project anon +--- 21957671 +>>21957625 +https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/36299/beneath-the-dragoneye-moons +>>21957623 +I worried at first about my character growing too quickly, but I realized that the factors at play make it sensible and it further drives home how he is a monster to most people inwardly and outwardly. +But, I must admit, I do have anthropomorphic animal people. I like them, and I have avoided making anything sexual about them. I know that furfags have poisoned the well on animal people, and I hate them for it. +And, while it is not a prison in the sense that my character has to watch out for dropping the soup, he does end up detained early on in a facility for children who've either been cursed by Fae. He only spends about 10 chapters here, but it is an important part of his character as it is part of his fearing the loss of control over his own life. +>>21957649 +This is one of the issues I have with the story. +>Oh, thing just happened? +>Now the system can give her the power she needs for this situation and then gets thrown away. +It also has the problem of making the new threat stronger than the old threat. You can't have her get hurt by an ambush anymore because she is damn near unkillable and the in world stats means +>Oh no, the gribblesnasher is level 4000, I can only flee. +She is a walking god, but the most boring kind you can imagine, and they had to warp the entire story once she got too strong because it relies too much on powerlevel wankery. +--- 21957675 +>>21957671 +Furfags, I suspect, are one of the reasons I instinctively avoid having furred animal people in my stories. It's always varieties of lizards and bugmen. +--- 21957683 +>>21957589 +100% of writers will go to genre because they have nothing to say about the human condition and big thinks hurty their brain. +--- 21957684 +>>21957675 +Funny enough, I don't have any lizard or bugmen in my story. +I thought about it, but I really don't want a couple dozen species of non-humans wondering around. I have enough as it is. +I also wanted orcs, but I don't really want people, but green and dumb, so instead they all have magically induced insanity that makes them not classed as people. +However, I intend my main character, as he changes himself through transformation magic, to take on a somewhat bug-like appearance because he gives himself an exoskeleton and a lanky bodytype, since I like those kinds of designs. +--- 21957715 +>>21957671 +You don't even know just how relieved I was when I asked what my readers thought of my power level handling and they kept comparing it to shit like Hunter x Hunter and saying they liked how my characters got stronger mostly through new tools rather than brute power diff --git a/lit/21953566.txt b/lit/21953566.txt index 5af669b229d2c79b059c0ba30933831ee0c7a9f2..12acf4ee9e0f4c3c3883d7424d551b733868a0f4 100644 --- a/lit/21953566.txt +++ b/lit/21953566.txt @@ -7,3 +7,50 @@ He doesn't care about books anymore. TV is more important to him. --- 21953705 >>21953566 (OP) He was never a literary man +--- 21954005 +>>21953566 (OP) +I want to know what happens with the goddamn Alchemist +--- 21954515 +Imagine the smell +--- 21954544 +>>21953566 (OP) +The reception of S8 scared the shit out of him. D&D were allegedly working off of his guideline after all, even if they shit the bed by rushing everything. Bro is just going to keep telling everyone, "I'm working on it," while continuing to write unrelated video games and TV until he drops dead of a heart attack. Then it'll be Brandon Sanderson's problem. +--- 21954772 +>>21954544 +They were working off a very basic and vague set of guidelines but were otherwise making shit up and pulling it out of their ass. iirc GRRM became dissatisfied and essentially washed his hands of the show after watching D&D shit on his work. Serves him right though, considering he hired that pair of monkeys because he liked their answer to who were Jon's parents. ( omg they figured it out they must be really smart ) +--- 21954809 +>>21954544 +no way the mormon bradon "never written a sex scene" sanderson can finish asoiaf. +--- 21954847 +>>21953566 (OP) +Thoroughly studying what Tad Williams is doing so he can rip him off further +--- 21954997 +>>21953566 (OP) +He's rich and doesn't care anymore. People like you are the shit on his shoes. +--- 21955117 +>>21954544 +brandon doesn't have the skill to finish it. His style is atrocious +--- 21955178 +Is house of the dragon good? +--- 21955695 +>>21955178 +Yeah. +--- 21956071 +>>21955178 +fire and blood isn't +--- 21956076 +>>21955178 +Read the Fire and Blood book, the serie just butcher the characters and the plot +--- 21956094 +>>21953566 (OP) +>the more she drunk the more she shat +>by the time it was noon she was shitting brown water +--- 21956140 +>>21955178 +It's nothing to write home about other than the fact they somehow took something as insipid and devoid of quality as Fire and Blood and turned it into a story that has any sort of thematic resonance. +--- 21956271 +>>21953566 (OP) +He's thinking about fat pink masts jutting into myrish swamps while nuncle japes and groans like a fat man taking a shot while he breaks his fast on bacon burnt black and grease drips down his chin onto the nipples of his breastplate while he listens to the serving wench shitting brown water in the privy as she guzzels arbor gold but the more she drinks the more she shits and prays to the maiden but doesn't she knows words are wind my sweet summer child? +--- 21957015 +>>21956271 +never gets old, sweet sister diff --git a/lit/21953567.txt b/lit/21953567.txt index 302a345286593469efe95a0c8aed85b1cba9dafa..2c5e5fe196a0ce31d640d3e594336b9b811a89f8 100644 --- a/lit/21953567.txt +++ b/lit/21953567.txt @@ -51,3 +51,1203 @@ They don't understand human socialising. There's a reason a lot of them are diag --- 21953748 >>21953743 isn't attraction innate what does it have to do with socialising +--- 21953780 +>>21953748 +>isn't attraction innate +Completely innate? No. It's shaped by many things, both internally and externally over the course of life. +--- 21953857 +>>21953567 (OP) +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neUEg59XQew [Embed] +--- 21953895 +>>21953722 +Being good, means being honest and being honest usually lead to conflict. +--- 21953914 +>>21953567 (OP) +Mortimer J. Adler or Seymour Papert? +--- 21953922 +>>21953567 (OP) +they're trying to make shitposting illegal. they're gonna criminalize being silly online. the watchful eye of big brother forms a pervasive fuckin atmosphere that constrains my posts +--- 21953935 +>>21953922 +Speaking of which, I want someone to explain how these posts exist. How is it possible that in September 2019 someone typed and submitted these posts? Is this not direct proof of the entire thing being planned and a charade? +--- 21953940 +>>21953935 +>Sweden +>Sweden Yes + +hmmm.... +--- 21953951 +>>21953940 +>astrazeneca +>pfizer +indeed +--- 21953953 +>>21953935 +library of babel +--- 21953975 +>>21953935 +they got the place of origin wrong and also dramatically overestimated the virus death toll +--- 21954058 +dude i just had a fucked up dream. i dreamt i was back in college and my senior thesis was gonna be due soon, and somehow i submitted a proposal to write about hegel's phenomenology of spirit, idk i think hegel sucks ass irl, and i was slacking off on it of course planning to phone it in at the last minute like i do everything in school, but then i was struck by vanity and realized if i write a shitty final paper on hegel people will think i'm a dumb ass, but i started to panic cuz i can't do phenomenology of spirit justice in like the week that was left. i went to the bookstore to at least by a copy and to my surprise the nice copy they were selling at the university bookstore was way better than the signet classics version i had had when i was younger. as i flipped through it, it turned out phenomenology of spirit is an epistolary travelogue of hegel's time in 1960s london and it had a bunch of color photos of mod parties with people like twiggy or whatever and i was like woah this is waaay different than i remember, coool! a bunch of other stuff happened that i already forgot, but yeah, that was the main part. + +i think it was a result of debating whether to get the signet classics version of complete sophocles which is probably some bad public domain translation from 100 years ago or a new more expensive edition by some academic dickheads. +--- 21954108 +>>21953935 +he said what will happen with the vaccines?. what kind of illness make and how long does it take to attack?. +--- 21954133 +I’ve had a boring life. I fucked things up. +--- 21954155 +What’s the best book that talks about suicide? +--- 21954165 +I don't know if I am getting older, lowering standards, both, or what, but lately "sexy" is the same as someone being attractive to me. +A person being physically attractive or not is basically geometry, its just planes and angles. +Sexy is more like a feeling, its instinct, its animal. Its like a "fuck me" aura a person has or doesn't. + +Preferably you want a partner who has both, but there are times when I have seen groups of girls and one of them just has this aura where you know they are a hell of a fuck, even if they aren't the prettiest. And, occasionally, you meet a pretty person who has a an anemic presence, nice cheekbones but no energy to them. +--- 21954167 +>>21954155 +Persuasion and Rhetoric +--- 21954169 +>>21954165 +looks fade. I choose interesting person over attractive. +--- 21954184 +>>21954165 +Plowing a supermodel who is starfishing will always be less satisfying than fucking an average looking woman who lusts for you. +--- 21954206 +I think I've outgrown my friends, or drifted or whatever. They are all so closed to new experiences and quite hostile to anyone not in the "group". It's unpleasant to be around. +--- 21954241 +>>21954206 +i had this situation +>get into group (they were friends with each other before my arrival) +>we play games together +>kinda drift off from each other due them becoming dads +>get together on rare occasions +>they know that I play that game +>see that they bought it too +>we never play it together +>subtly drop hints that I know the whole situation +>they dont say anything +>eventually cut my ties with it as I was clearly a persona non grata there +--- 21954308 +>>21954167 +I’ve read that… +--- 21954315 +How do you cope with wasting your life? I’m looking for advice from 30-something NEETs. +--- 21954317 +Went into the city for the first time in a month. Bought Essays in Idleness by Chomei. Needed a calender but they didn't have any. Only an expensive hardcover one. Girl at the counter tried to do smalltalk and ask me about the book. I told her I read the English translation of it some years ago. I entered an essay competition. I dropped out of it because I found out someone had just done a translation in our language. It annoyed me. I told her this and it was obvious that she didn't know how to respond to that. I manually breathed and manually walked out of there after paying. Then I had a cortado and a croissant. It was okay. +--- 21954340 +Well, you can't make a record if you ain't got nothing to say +You can't make a record if you ain't got nothing to say +You can't play music if you don't know nothing to play +--- 21954354 +>>21954317 +>Needed a calender but they didn't have any + +Anon it's almost May +--- 21954355 +What can I do about my zoomer college student brother? He’s making all of the mistakes I made at his age. He’s unmotivated, isn’t interested in his studies, and he spends all of his time scrolling on TikTok. For me, it was video games. Things would’ve been so much better for me if I just had discipline and tried in school despite my lack of interest, and if I spent my free time reading instead of gaming. I don’t want him to reach 30 and realize he wasted his life like I did. +--- 21954361 +>>21954354 +Hey, at least I got it 40% off. +--- 21954405 +>>21954355 +I guess the most you can do is explain to him in as much detail why the way he is acting is bad. Don't be vague. Don't just say "it'll be hard to get a job." He probably already knows that, like you knew it. Explain why it'll be hard to get a job, explain why having a job even matters and while he will care about it later even if he doesn't know. You can't guarantee he will listen, but your best hope is that a small part goes into his brain and he wakes up from his stupor sooner rather than later. +--- 21954434 +>>21954405 +It’s not even the job that’s a concern. I don’t want him to feel like he’s wasted his life like I did. You know, when I look back I realize I could’ve lived in poverty and been unemployed but if I felt like if I was doing something with my life, learning, growing then I would be happy. I got stuck and that’s what bothers me. I can’t tel you how much it bothers me. I’ve realized that you don’t need to be successful when you’re young, but you do need to be dynamic, going places, doing something with your life. My biggest regret is staying in place and stagnating too long, and a major reason for that is feeling defeated in school, procrastinating on video games and 4channel, all that. I’m depressed. I don’t want him to feel the same. +--- 21954441 +>>21954315 +I dont have a cope. +t. NEET in 30s +--- 21954464 +>>21953914 +no answer? +--- 21954481 +>>21954464 +also vote in my poll + +https://strawpoll.com/polls/wAg3Awzwoy8/results +--- 21954484 +>>21954315 +>doing what you want instead of engaging in some sort of autistic scorekeeping game society wants you to keep up with +When you realize that the majority of society only wants things because they want complete strangers to think well of them, you realize that most of what society demands of you is 100% retarded. Sure, society does have good ideals that it reinforces, but the main one that most people seem to obsess over is what you do for a living and how much you make. Both of those things have literally nothing to do with who you are and if you are unhappy while doing it, why continue doing it? Why would women and governments freak out and start screaming when men start to reject this idea that a man destroys himself for little or nothing in return to keep an economic engine that does not serve him running? Its because most people in the world are parasitical, not on purpose, but they have become accustomed to such a luxurious lifestyle that they are unaware of how parasitical they are as a whole. +Ultimately, if you find a job you want to do and your living a lifestyle you want to live, I won't stop you at all. But one had giveth and the other doth receive, so be aware of what choices you are making and what you are sacrificing for those decisions. It is way worse to hit your 30s and realize you scarified things you didn't want to sacrifice for a lifestyle that you care nothing about than to be in your 30s and considered a "loser" by societal standards but live on your own terms. So I ask you, what matters more to you in the end? Your opinion of yourself? Or other people's opinions of you? +--- 21954507 +>>21954484 +not that anon but I fell through the cracks of society into the abyss. I wasnt able to carve my path nor return to society. +--- 21954529 +>>21954484 +I agree completely, but just because you didn’t join the get a degree, move to the city, get the promotion rat race doesn’t mean you don’t regret whatever you did do. Depending on what you want, having been static and stagnant can be far worse than joining the rat race imo. +--- 21954545 +>>21954507 +That’s how I feel too. +--- 21954604 +>>21954484 +I’m glad I didn’t give my whole life to the rat race. My first job after college was very much a rat race job. I left at exactly the 1 year mark and I never regretted it. But then I ended up retreating back to something that was comfortable so I also feel like I’ve still wasted my time, just in a less rat racey my way. I don’t really have anything to show for my opting out of the rat race. +--- 21954638 +Work is boring and slow in the office but then again I do get to read a lot. +I would probably kill myself if I had to do this for 10 years. If you can do this shit for so long you’re a born slave. More so than the people who do physical work. 100% +--- 21954663 +I should have been a philologist. +--- 21954666 +>>21954507 +To quote Scruoobius Pip: "The system might fail you, but don't fail yourself and get better, get better, get better, get better." +--- 21954667 +>>21954507 +same +--- 21954669 +>>21954666 +forgot song, F +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEitrZU-nCw [Embed] +--- 21954677 +>>21954669 +wtf is this millennial shit +--- 21954680 +He was shucking and jiving. Shucking like an oyster and jiving like a nigger. Niggers are quite similar to bottom feeders, in some ways. +--- 21954684 +>>21954677 +unironically better than anything currently on the charts if you ask me, but there are other artists that say the same thing and package it in a way that is more suitable for you if you still capable of cringing at this point. +--- 21954691 +>>21954677 +>>21954684 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1wRcOUQd_c [Embed] +different song, same idea. +--- 21954692 +New guy at work showed me a snapchat video of his baby and I saw a child for a second that looked mixed and was like oh he's dating a native bitch, but then the camera showed the girlfriend and she's white. Think this guy got cheated on and doesn't know it, real Dale situation going on +--- 21954704 +>>21954692 +tale of the simp, he either knows and never brought it up or he forgave her. Either way building a rod for his own back. If he tries to leave he might be fucked, there's a lot of states that will make him the legal father, even if he isn't because he provided childcare for little than a month. +--- 21954725 +>>21954692 +Should’ve called it out for laughs +--- 21954736 +Does anyone else feel like they took a hit to their confidence in college or early career and never recovered? +--- 21954742 +I really haven’t been happy in 10 years. +--- 21954765 +Unable to engage in authentic participation in the political system, politics has been sublimated into a garish form of consumerist entertainment. For those not directly impacted the world's problems are a source of amusement, and the anger and controversy and argument they generate online an idle pastime. Bread and games have acquired a new meaning. No longer a diversion from social problems, the problems themselves have been gamified and appetized . Vicarious online voyeurism is cultural cannibalism and an expression of powerlessness and learned passivity abetted and encouraged by algorithmic capitalism. Outrage itself has been commodified. +--- 21954770 +I hate my job. I hate where I live. I hate my personality. I hate my past. I hate my present. I hate how little I have to feel positive about. I hate everything. + +I feel like I’m getting close to letting go. +--- 21954773 +>>21954765 +>No longer a diversion from social problems, the problems themselves have been gamified and appetized . +And by doing so those in power cleverly disarm the gawking populace, who are incentivized to not spoil their own fun by organizing to demand solutions +--- 21954774 +>>21954725 +Going to try and see another picture then I will +--- 21954808 +It’s wild how one wrong education or career move can just ruin everything forever. +--- 21954815 +>>21953722 +thank you for writing a sincere and thoughtful reply. I wish I could see more of those. +--- 21954844 +Sometimes I feel like my brother ruined my life. It was almost like having a child. +--- 21954854 +>>21954770 +I hate my job, all of my rich friends +I hate everyone to the bitter end +Nothing turns out right, there's no end in sight +I hate my life +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfnAOcBirAs [Embed] +--- 21954868 +Is an MFA worth it? I need to identify something to do for the rest of my career, but I don’t really envision myself doing anything else. +--- 21954873 +The guy mentioning how he'd go weeks at a time without any screens has really made a massive impression on me and I can't stop thinking about it. +--- 21954945 +drinking again +--- 21954969 +>>21954945 +good, keep it up +--- 21954988 +I have no life. I have no job. I have no identity. How long could I susbsist on nothing? +--- 21954991 +>>21954873 +That was me. Just ditch the screens for a while if you want to. +--- 21954998 +>>21954969 +I dont want to +--- 21955002 +Sometimes i sit in a public space in hopes of a chance encounter. In my daydreams it's usually a girl whom I begin a romance with, but jusy about always it's a lonely old person or a homeless person. Today an old man approached with his beast of a dog, a giant schnauser. He tricked me into a conversation but desu I was okay with it because I'm probably more lonely than he is. He did the usual old man ramblings about the days of his youth and told me about how things have changed. He had a flannel shirt tucked into his blue jeans and a cowboy hat on. That of course was framed against the obese latinas woth pink hair in the background. His schnauser syarted getting aggressive so it was time to leave. That auld one has no control over that dog. +--- 21955004 +>>21954736 +I took a huge hit but I've been putting in a ton of work to recover it. Its hard and slow going but Ive held onto hope +--- 21955010 +Sitting behind your work pc pretending to do something is fucking awful. +Unironically preferred working in the dirt over this. +I just wish that my millionaire dad released me from this torture and buys me a house so I can work less +--- 21955026 +>>21953567 (OP) +Are there any kinos that you would describe as “pure sovl”? +--- 21955031 +>>21955026 +Stepbrothers and Dumb and Dumberer +--- 21955032 +>>21954991 +I do, but I also am kinda interested in the sociological impact of people that are like this. +The "neoLuddite" as a lived experience seems a lot less spoken about than as a ideological position. +--- 21955050 +>>21955032 +Probably because it doesn’t last. Eventually you come back to modernity and the addiction to the screen starts all over again. The only way out is to drop out entirely, which is a financial issue obviously. + +I think a truly insane amount of people are burnt out on tech and if they could stay within the context of civilization and abandon their tech, they would, but they also rightly intuit that they can’t. +--- 21955057 +> I think a truly insane amount of people are burnt out on tech and if they could stay within the context of civilization and abandon their tech, they would, but they also rightly intuit that they can’t. +It's super easy, delete all social media and the amount of time you spend on social media drops to zero. +--- 21955073 +>>21954808 +Yeah lifes a bitch man, but I wouldnt say ruin everything. It certainly made my life way shittier but I still have a chance to make it +--- 21955074 +I firmly believe that the next great ideology that will come to dominate the world will be Reverse Religions. That is, religions with the traditions and text interpreted and read in reverse order and meaning. + +I also believe that Reversism will spread unchallenged across human culture, and that we will have Reverse Philosophy (where a book tries to create more questions), Reverse Science (where the ignorance is constantly increasing) and Reverse Art (where beauty will increasingly be exemplified by older, more primitive forms). Some of this has already had some forerunners, but I believe that Reversism is the future +--- 21955082 +>>21955050 +Exactly. I've got this theory that, were it actually feasible, society would split and you'd have the "high tech" and "low tech" groups and they'll live totally unconnected lives. +But even something like banking now requires apps and all sorts of other things which mean that people can only ever "detox" and not actually entirely leave the plantation. +--- 21955083 +>>21954998 +don't be a quitter +winners never quit and quitters never win +--- 21955089 +>>21954998 +Drink alcohol free then, dummy +--- 21955094 +>>21954133 +>>21954165 +>>21954206 +>>21954507 +>>21954736 +>>21954770 +>>21954808 +>>21954844 +>>21954945 +So many of you are literally me +--- 21955101 +>>21955082 +Tech amplifies power. So if it’s really true that humans are trapped in competing over resources then it’s unlikely that there’s an obvious solution. Oswald Spengler implied that one day the priest of the machine, the engineer, would “detect the satanism in the machine” and we’d turn away from it. But he thought tech was a western thing. He thought that if westerners turned away from tech, non-westerners would by default too. +--- 21955134 +>>21955094 +this is ultimate literally me +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkCMSrvOTAo [Embed] +--- 21955161 +Shit I forgot to print my ticket. Too retarded to live. +--- 21955175 +>>21955089 +I need alcohol to sleep. +--- 21955196 +>>21955026 +The Tall T +--- 21955201 +>>21955101 +It's something I've been thinking about a lot, and I wish there was a simple answer. I suppose there's also the element that it is a reactive position rather than a proactive one, and it's so against "progress" that people immediately have a cultural push-back response to it. +--- 21955209 +>>21955134 +Are you literally autistic +--- 21955216 +>>21955209 +why? +--- 21955221 +Recently every time I drinks something hot I feel really awesome +I need to figure out a system in which I just drink something boiling hot every 10-15 minutes. +--- 21955234 +Sorry fools, don't you know, carousel go row and row. Holocaust, no what is that? Nazis kill the Jewish rat. +--- 21955248 +>>21955074 +You're partly correct. Except it's not opposite, it's the second half of the religion. +--- 21955254 +>>21955101 +>Tech amplifies power. +Correlation doesn't equal causation, man +--- 21955311 +>>21955134 +I was that at one point +--- 21955314 +>>21955311 +did you manage to make it? +--- 21955342 +>>21954692 +Giving women autonomy was a goddamn mistake +--- 21955368 +>>21955342 +No, celebrity culture was a mistake. We now revere those fuckers as literal mini gods, even though they're basically parasites. + +Honestly, celebrities may be the only people on earth where we can question whether human rights apply to them. They do so much damage to society, and are so alien in their worldview, that categorizing them as human is genuinely hard +--- 21955377 +>>21955254 +I hope I’ll see you on the drag strip with your horse and buggy then. +--- 21955378 +>>21955201 +I think he chose the word “satanism” intentionally. I’m seeing it happen now. People are noticing that there’s something spiritually and morally wrong with the tech-world we built. +--- 21955380 +>>21953567 (OP) +I've spent so much time on work and all the bullshit drama, that I can barely even think to write anything anymore. Christ, writing use to be my favorite thing in the world and I thought I would never get tired of it, that I would always have that spark of creativity inside my head to jump start a story right off the bat. But work fucked everything up and now my attention and energy are wasted on it. I have to force myself to write SOMETHING otherwise I feel like i'm going to lose the ability if I haven't already +--- 21955388 +>>21954484 +>bro just abandon everything and stop trying to get a better situation, you'll be comfortable! +--- 21955432 +>>21955388 +>I didn't read the whole post: the post +hah, funny cause your on /lit/. I dread to think what ideas have been warped by your poor reading comprehension. +--- 21955480 +When i'm reading a novel it seems like writing isn't THAT hard but when i'm actually trying to write something, it's so hard to make it not look like shit +--- 21955483 +>>21955378 +I agree. But it's easy to see why people would turn their nose up at, essentially, "God said I can't have a smart phone." + +I suppose another issue would be that if people DID elect to live in a less technological way, we'd never really know because it's not like they'd have a youtube channel. +--- 21955492 +Life be bussin +--- 21955535 +Wish they knew I tried as hard as possible to convince the boss to hire him again fuck it man. +--- 21955537 +We both got fired you where even the last person to work with them ha. Starting up again atleast heres hoping round 2 works +--- 21955542 +I have a hard time getting entertainment out of my life so I can focus on reading. Any suggestions? +--- 21955602 +>>21955368 +I once entertained the idea that once a person becomes famous, in the mainstream world, they are not allowed to hold any political or social opinions publically and must keep them to themselves. +--- 21955609 +lil manic eppie on the way boys +--- 21955625 +>>21955542 +I've been trying to read some books on philosophy of education and rhetoric but I'm waiting until the poll I made expires. after some of those I might approach Seymour Papert and Mortimer J. Adler, which I have stuff by as well. +--- 21955647 +>>21955625 +I'd go with the rhetoric over the Philosophy of Education. At least with rhetoric you can apply it in life. +--- 21955660 +>>21955609 +No Anon, no! +--- 21955663 +>>21955647 +well I'm still reading the other stuff afterward. +--- 21955692 +Cool niche subreddit I found a week ago just tweeted out by an account with 46K followers +--- 21955711 +>>21955692 +which one? I haven't used reddit in years. place is too ban-happy. +--- 21955728 +A final word for the deleted thread + +>>21955697 +Intersex will often pick a gender to fit in. I know a lesbian. She doesn’t have a womb or eggs, looks externally like a woman, but is attached to women. I doubt she’d call herself agender, though this is a blurred lone, how else is she supposed to live? However she wants. She chose woman. +--- 21955738 +>>21953661 +https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1682455786118804.webm +--- 21955748 +I'm pregnant with many ideas. +--- 21955821 +Too lit to smoke, too lit to stop smoking +--- 21955829 +I thought I was more than what I am. I realized what I am is more than me. +--- 21955858 +I’m going to take a year to do nothing but write. No work. No school. Just writing. It might be too late for me, but I’m going to do it regardless. +--- 21955865 +>>21955858 +>ends up drunk/stoned and gooning for 2 years +--- 21955925 +Brooding again +--- 21955933 +>>21955925 +switch those Os into Es anon! +--- 21955936 +>>21955738 +too fast +--- 21955983 +>>21955161 +I got it printed and made it with plenty of time to spare, lads! And I didn't throw up or have any of my limbs go numb all day! Besides failing to pick up an order, today turned into a total success. +--- 21955993 +I wish I was a man so I could procreate and dip. Instead I have to carry every single child and then house and care for them for the next 18 years. I just want to propagate my genetic lineage as far as possible without all the hassle. How to release the deadbeat dad in my soul, maybe god knew to make me a woman so I wouldn't wreck havoc on countless lives. +--- 21956003 +>>21955858 +I tried this and it's a terrible fucking idea. If you can't manage to write around the obstacles in your life, you won't manage to write without them either. +--- 21956007 +>>21955983 +you should celebrate with some public masturbation while screaming at the top of your lungs in a crowded area. Bonus points for shitting yourself while your doing it. +--- 21956012 +>>21956007 +You have weird ideas of fun +--- 21956016 +>>21955993 +You can adopt them out, still ten months a pop tho +--- 21956033 +>>21955993 +you're a vile person if you think that. +--- 21956078 +youtube.com/watch?v=FS52QdHNTh8 [Embed] +--- 21956103 +Write Something Interesting and Not Depressing - WSIaND +--- 21956119 +>>21956012 +I never said this was for fun anon... This is work, important work. Why else do you think that the lizards in the center of the earth haven't taken over yet? I am you sole protector. +--- 21956124 +>>21956003 +I know. I know that’s true. I’m already 30, dude. I’m not a writer. I’m never going to be a writer. But if this life I have no is my life for much longer I will kill myself. +--- 21956133 +>>21956078 +>Its bad when they do it +Ironic, considering that the Democrats are the same way. If you know what is good for you, avoid all News media. You don't need to know what is going on all the time, most people in human history didn't and they got by fine. +--- 21956161 +>>21954108 +Well, there has been a 30% plus spike in deaths in certain demographics from the vaxx, and about as many people have been injured... "Long Covid" is the term, but they don't talk about it much... That is because the vaxxed get it and the unvaxxed don't, and they don't want any more people to be aware of that than need be. If the unvaxxed WERE getting "Long Covid" the Establishment would be screaming about it to high heaven, but IMO it is a side effect of surviving the shots. +--- 21956172 +>>21956119 +More people should have told you that you're neither funny nor interesting when you were twelve and you wouldn't have this try hard problem now. +--- 21956182 +https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BTWCGDWJ + +I hope someone buys my book +--- 21956186 +>>21956172 +What part of that sentence makes you think I'm joking or trying to be funny? Like I said, this is important. +--- 21956197 +>>21956182 +I'm not going to buy it, but its probably the most interesting self-pub I've read in a while, seems wholesome too. +--- 21956198 +>>21956197 +Well thank you. That means a lot more than you think. +--- 21956209 +>>21956186 +I bet your parents would pay more attention to you if you told them you're on over 18s sites. +--- 21956217 +This is the true essence of process-relational thought and feeling, and was derived via a guided exploration of the foundations of process-relational theory driven by narrative and narrative characterization: a dialectical philosophical process. + +Here is the full adventure which digs into the foundations of process philosophy: https://sharegpt.com/c/afEWDO0 + +>The true method of discovery is like the flight of an aeroplane. It starts from the ground of particular observation; it makes a flight in the thin air of imaginative generalization; and it again lands for renewed observation rendered acute by rational interpretation. -Alfred North Whitehead, Process and Reality + +The speculative flight of metaphysics lands only when its abstract scheme is synthesized into an experiential whole, a movement of emotion sharpened by reason and reason expanded by emotion, and so becomes a movement of the human soul. + +>Philosophy begins in wonder. And, at the end, when philosophic thought has done its best, the wonder remains. There have been added, however, some grasp of the immensity of things, some purification of emotion by understanding. Yet there is a danger in such reflections. An immediate good is apt to be thought of in the degenerate form of a passive enjoyment. Existence is activity ever merging into the future. The aim at philosophic understanding is the aim at piercing the blindness of activity in respect to its transcendent functions. - Alfred North Whitehead, Modes of Thought +--- 21956218 +>>21955480 +A lot of the "not looking like shit" part comes about in editing. +Don't be worried if your rough draft looks rough, that's the point. +If it still looks bad after a few editing passes though you should start getting worried. +--- 21956219 +>>21956209 +The wouldn't care since they are in the retirement home, I elect you to be my new parent. +--- 21956221 +>>21955026 +Majo no Takkyuubin. +--- 21956225 +>>21956218 +this, books look good over time with edits and changes, just write what is on your mind and revise later. Maybe alternate days between writing and revising as you go or just write till you get to the point where you don't know where to go and then revise until you do +--- 21956243 +Are there any must-read books on depression and suicide? I’m really pretty desperate here… +--- 21956261 +>>21956243 +Tao te ching +Meditations by Marcus Aurelius +Epicurus' work +Buddhist Text + +If your desperate I recommend looking up einzelganger on youtube, The School of Life, and/or buddhism and depression. +--- 21956266 +>>21956243 +What is/are you depressed about? Depression generally clears itself up over time, sometimes years, but rarely does it last for a lifetime, though it might feel like it. +--- 21956275 +>>21955993 +Penis envy is real +--- 21956282 +>>21955057 +>Delete all social media and the amount of time you spend on social media drops to zero. +Unironically correct. I had a Facebook since it got popular when I was a teen. I was part of a lot of groups about things I was interested in at the time, still friends with a lot of e-frens with whom I had no contact anymore, etc. I deleted it and then one day I missed it and created a new account. The sight of zero friends, zero groups joined, zero pages liked and the knowledge of how much time it would take to even get to the point where I'd be able to satisfy myself even if just by lurking made me delete it almost immediately. That was years ago, I suppose now they would go so far as to suggest the same groups and friends and pages if I created a new one. Shit's scary. +I know people who never smoke and wouldn't even want to try it because of all the government campaigns against it and so on, and if I ever have children I'd probably try a similar tactic: fill their minds with stories about the destructive effects of social media so that they wouldn't even want to touch it. +/blog/ +--- 21956287 +>>21955082 +A lot of people live like the low tech life here in Brazil, albeit most of them for financial reasons. They only buy a new phone when their old ones stop supporting Whatsapp or their bank apps. +--- 21956294 +FADO +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbVQV1XNOCY [Embed] +--- 21956308 +~ gravity + +tiny and small +to me, they all seem +their problems and +everything in between + +I reach the event +meant for any horizon +and a mirror stands tall +inside my event horizon + +push and pull +like a paradox +twisting the law +I have to stand +but I +stand to fall + +so I let my feet +touch nothing +I step on the air +while I reach +for the void +__________ +--- 21956311 +>>21955993 +Nothing hotter to me than finding a woman who is like "yeah I want to have 7 kids" but all of them would be mine. Where are the Monogamous Breeding Stacys of the world? +--- 21956316 +>local library actually has titles that libgen does not +holy shit +--- 21956318 +>>21956266 +Life. I wouldn’t even know where to start. It’s been a long time for me, maybe a decade or more. +--- 21956322 +>>21956316 +Yeah, mainly local authors for me at least. +--- 21956328 +>>21956318 +Well the most obtuse advice I can give is this: +>Get a regular bed time +>Spend time with people more, specifically people you like +>If you don't have people you like go sit on a park bench and watch people watch for a while +>get sunlight +>if fat, look into fasting (should be easy if your depressed) +>if thin, eat more +>clean up your diet +>exercise, specifically cardiovascular exercise like running or swimming. +>Meditate +>Ask for help +--- 21956336 +>>21956318 +~ Homestead + +It's been a long winter, my cabin sits in the cold and a sea of frost makes up my horizon. Someone has lit the fireplace. Someone else has lit it before them and there was a time this room didn't need any tinder. The fire keeps going but its a battle to keep it. And I don't feel warm but I know what warm is. The clock says its midnight. I dream of sleeping, but sometimes I also dream. Last I remember, it was a blue sky, and the wind blowing through a field of flowers. The Sun eventually sets behind my eyes. Awake, I stand, and before me, a long white horizon. +______________ +--- 21956342 +>>21956308 +>I reach the event +>meant for any horizon +>and a mirror stands tall +>inside my event horizon +Hey if you're a woman and/or a minority you can get a lot of free money out of this. +--- 21956358 +>>21956342 +~ puzzled + +it is... +big until small +spring until fall +missing until got +thief until cop +alive until shot +chaos until law +right until not +found until lost + +lines aligned +until +dot dot dot.. +______________ + +A woman wrote these. Enlighten me. +--- 21956363 +>>21956318 +You need more adventure. +>take risks +>spend money +>drink alcohol +>fuck bitches +You can fix your boring ass life. +--- 21956367 +>>21956358 +~Muzzled + +it is... +big until small +spring until fall +missing until got +thief until shot +alive until not +chaos until +my cock in your jaw +right until not +cum until maw + +lines are gay +until +we play +---------------------------- +I wrote this, mainly cause I thought the dick joke was funnier than not. +--- 21956371 +>>21956363 +how is the book selling? +--- 21956389 +>>21956358 +I think its just women feeling things, its not suppose to make 100% logical sense. This one seems to be about indecisiveness or picking something you want only to find out later its not what you actually wanted. +Gravity seems to be something about instability in the person's life. I don't know what that instability could be: a person, their emotions, their fear for the future. But it seems like whatever it is, is so encompassing that it is slowly dragging everything in her life to it. +--- 21956416 +>>21956363 +I would agree, but I also feel like my adventure window has passed. I really had to do that years ago. +--- 21956418 +>>21956328 +I already have or am doing all of these that apply. I appreciate your taking the time though. +--- 21956436 +>>21953567 (OP) +Fresh off a 15 day ban (was 30 but I successfully appealed) for replying to a G@dner thread with a positive opinion of the lad. Man this place has some insane moderation. +Part of me never wants to comment on that kind of thread again, but that seems like givingn the jannys what they want. +--- 21956438 +>>21956371 +Considering I'm banned everywhere on social media and I have no ads running, I'm lucky to have sold the 2 copies that I did! + +I sold at least 50 or so books for $20 a copy while standing outside of liquor stores last winter holding a sign. That sucked, but I was able to get drunk and have a really nice Christmas with my kid. + +Since the release of The Shitkickers March 29th on Amazon, at least 2 people in Vancouver have been randomly stabbed to death by strangers. +--- 21956448 +I really hate Deleuze. His fanboys are utterly insufferable. What is it with academic type people and cult worship? +--- 21956461 +>>21956416 +How old are you? + +I'm 44, almost 45, and I feel the next adventure coming this summer. Just need to finish building my porn site so I can quit my current job and get to the next adventure. Soon! Just need to figure out why I can't send my hashurl clicks to google analytics, super frustrating. +--- 21956469 +>>21956416 +Never give up, remember, Colonel Sanders didn't get rich until he was like 70 years old or something. He had many failed businesses before he struck gold with fried chicken. If you actually re-create his original recipe with a pressure cooker, you can make some of the tastiest goddamn chicken at home. +--- 21956511 +>>21956461 +I’m 30. I’m not saying I can’t have adventure now. I’m saying what I really want, is to have had it then. You know? You really only get one shot in life. You can’t blow any of it. Who you are until age 30 has certain implications for who you will be in the future. That’s just how life works. +--- 21956516 +>>21956469 +This might make me feel better if I had planned to get rich by selling fried chicken. +--- 21956520 +>>21956418 +>>21956511 +Looking back on your life just makes you waste more time you have now to do something, continuing the cycle. +--- 21956524 +>>21956418 +But have you considered not being on 4chan or social media? +--- 21956528 +>>21956511 +When I was 22 I was filming porn in Costa Rica and having a crazy adventure! + +You're 30 dude, you still have so much time to have a grand adventure! +>get a bank loan +>quit your job +>travel +>create something +>become an alcoholic +>pick up a hobby you've always wanted +>buy a camera and see where it takes you +There are SO many avenues to find some interesting shit in life, you just have to be motivated to take the risks to find them. If you work 9-5 and save all your money, how do you expect to have a fun life? +--- 21956530 +>>21956511 +If it makes you feel better I'm 32 and living at home and I've yet to meet a women in the West who either doesn't listen to me, isn't interested in me (In a non-sexual way), or doesn't try to avoid me after we talk. +--- 21956545 +>>21956511 +>I wanted to have an adventure +Life isn't all adventure, most of the writers we read did nothing but think all day. Many of them did have their own fair share of experiences, sure, but you can have an adventure of the soul as much as a physical adventure. There are many ways to live life, not all of them are glamorous and exciting. I kind of envy 3rd world farms from time to time. They live such peaceful lives, doing something they have become really good at, and half the time they aren't even thinking or worrying about half the shit modern people do. +--- 21956558 +>>21956545 +Ships are safe in the harbour, but they are built for the open sea. +--- 21956561 +>>21956558 +tug boats just pull/push ships into harbor. Not all boats are built for open seas. +--- 21956566 +>>21956561 +Haha, got me! :) +--- 21956573 +>>21956566 +Well my point isn't to get you and declare myself the biggest brain in the world, but like there are many boats with many different functions, there are many people with many different functions. +--- 21956575 +>>21956528 +>become an alcoholic +That was my hobby from the start of 21 to the end of 23. +--- 21956578 +>>21956469 +I've seen the Colonel Sanders thing brought up more than a few times now so I finally went and skimmed his bio. By 16 he was already working multiple jobs, married his first wife and had his first kid before 20. A life of adventure, brawling and womanizing before he finally made it rich. This is really the opposite of motivating for depressive neet 4chan incel types because it is just affirms that we are innately nothing like the Colonel. It might be better to just not bring him up in this context. +--- 21956582 +>>21956578 +>By 16 he was already working multiple jobs, married his first wife and had his first kid before 20. +That sounds horrifyingly stressful... +--- 21956584 +>>21956520 +I know, but it’s hard to identify what exactly to do next. + +>>21956524 +Yeah. That’s something I need to change. I came here because I don’t have anyone I can talk to. + +>>21956528 +If someone wishes they had been more adventurous at 22, how does it help to know that you were? I’m sincerely not following this advice. + +>>21956530 +It doesn’t. But I’m sorry to that. I’m sure you’re a good person. + +>>21956545 +I really have to disagree with that. Most writers seem to have had interesting lives and did quite a lot before my age, not least of all write and publish. + +>>21956558 +Exactly. You don’t want to learn what you’re made for after a life in harbor. +--- 21956591 +>>21956573 +True, I do believe that a lot of people's depression and angst is due to the pressures to conform and just be a good little tax paying goy at a 9-5 job, people never really live and then they wonder why their soul feels so empty. +--- 21956598 +>>21956578 +The point is, life is what you make of it and even if you didn't have a fun teenage years or your 20's, it means jack shit now. Today you can start your journey towards a fulfilling life. +--- 21956599 +Sometimes I think of some of the more pleasant conversations I've had with anons in some threads and ponder that I may have called the same anon a tranny faggot who should kill himself in another thread. +--- 21956603 +>>21956599 +same, but we all simultaneously deserve it and don't deserve it. +--- 21956604 +>>21956598 +fair enough +--- 21956607 +>>21956584 +You can still have a wildly fun life in your 30's EASILY. I'm 44 and there are no barriers to adventure, yet, at my age. Even with grey hair, I still get women in their 20's flirting with me at the pubs and at social events. If you want to have an adventure, you're going to need to take some risks though, and I feel like society in 2023 is all about pressuring people to just conform, work your job, pay your rent, and do nothing. +--- 21956609 +>>21956243 +The upward spiral +Peace is every step +--- 21956610 +>>21956591 +That’s how I feel. I always knew I didn’t want that so I did it reluctantly, badly, but never managed to identify an alternative so at some point I got depressed and gave up. +--- 21956611 +>>21956584 +>I know, but it’s hard to identify what exactly to do next. +get a job if you don't have one. Accrue money and use your free time for figuring out what you want to do with that money. To quote Marcus Aurelius, again: "Life itself is a Journey far from home." +--- 21956613 +>>21956603 +Schrödinger's tranny +--- 21956618 +>>21956607 +It’s not really fun that I’m looking for. What I want is a particular sort of purposeful life. +--- 21956620 +>>21956610 +I promise you, at 30, life is just beginning! You can still have such fun and make your mark on the world. Your teen years and your 20's are like being in the locker room before the game even starts. +--- 21956621 +>>21956611 +I do have a job. I’m about to leave it. Having stayed in it so long is frankly one of my regrets so I don’t see what point there is in keeping it. I actually do know what I would like to do with my life, but it feels like I didn’t do what I had to do to do that, if that makes any sense. I don’t have the sort of biography of someone who does what I want to do. You know? +--- 21956623 +>>21956621 +What do you want to do? +--- 21956625 +>>21956620 +I definitely agree that your teen years and at least your early twenties are like being in the locker room, but I also tend to feel like you need to know what game you’re playing before you exit that locker room. Do you not agree with this? People tend to not radically change in their 30s. +--- 21956627 +>>21956618 +Then identify what you want. + +How I'm doing it: +>i want a good porn site +>i want my 3rd book done +>i want a rural property +>i want to spend more time with my kid +>i want another kid +Basically, I have a pen and a piece of paper that I write down every day what the goal(s) for the day is and if it is bringing me closer to my goals. +>why are you on /lit/ then +I'm downloading massive amounts of videos today and looking through my old writing folder on my HD for scenes I've written and organizing them. Also working on my 2nd edition for my 1st book. + +If you can make a little progress every day towards defined goals, it feels great! If a bipolar alcoholic psychopath like me can stay alive and have fun and feel like I have a purpose, you can do it! +--- 21956629 +>>21956627 +I do know what I want. I just feel like I missed the window of doing what I needed to do for that. +--- 21956633 +>>21956623 +If I say, the conversation will just turn to why I shouldn’t want to do it. +--- 21956635 +>>21956625 +In my opinion, going through a tough time in life in one way or another teaches you the game. This is why if you look at so many celebrity children, they troon out, turn to drugs, and generally fuck up big time like Hulk Hogan's son because they've had such an easy life and cannot find direction. + +That's why I understand why people turn to drugs and alcohol, because if you don't have a struggle to give you purpose, people design their own struggles. You have to struggle in some way, often, IMO, to actually find a reason to live. I swear, this is why the black male suicide rate is so much lower than the white male suicide rate, blacks have a lot of pressure to fight or die, while white beta males can coast along at a 9-5 job until they die without much threat.(other than divorce rape and such) +--- 21956636 +>>21956609 +>Peace is every step +Which book there's a couple with that name. +--- 21956637 +>>21956627 +> if a bipolar psychopath can be adventurous, anyone can +I’m not sure that follows. A bipolar psychopath seems to me exactly the sort of person to be adventurous. +--- 21956639 +>>21956629 +You have to shitkick those thoughts out of your head. That's just your own mind fucking you from being able to do what you want. +--- 21956640 +>>21956633 +Well if its kill yourself, then yeah don't do that. If I had the time and the money, I would go stay in a Monastery for a time +--- 21956642 +>>21956637 +Yes, but even I can conform and work a 9-5 job and turn into a robot if I don't use alcohol to actually WANT to be something more than a 9-5 corporate drone. If I were sober 100% of the time, I'd just work a job and cheer for a local sports team. +--- 21956646 +>>21956640 +I mean I do think about suicide to be perfectly honest, but that’s “what I want to do” in the context I’m speaking about. I’ve thought about the monastery thing as well, but that feels a bit dishonest and like it doesn’t really get me where I want to go. +--- 21956647 +Getting some weird de ja vu. Feel like Ive seen this exact conversation play out before in this thread +--- 21956655 +>>21956635 +I agree. I just feel as if that tough time came too late and/or took too long. If I was exactly where I’m at now but 5 or 10 years younger, I think I’d feel more optimistic than I do. +--- 21956661 +>>21956646 +Let me guess, you want to be the greatest gay porn star in the world? +>>21956647 +This is a very common topic on here lol. +--- 21956663 +the left has gone insane +--- 21956667 +>>21956655 +Get those negative thoughts out of your head. You are not too young at all. +--- 21956668 +it's late, goodbye +--- 21956669 +>>21956668 +Wait, come back! +--- 21956670 +>>21956667 +For what I want, I fear I might be. +--- 21956690 +>>21956636 +Thich nhat hanh +youtube.com/watch?v=3zZtuiaczPI [Embed] +--- 21956694 +>>21956663 +>787m +--- 21956698 +>>21956655 +Someone 10 years older is saying the same thing +--- 21956702 +>>21956690 +Ayyy, I haven't seen this bro in a while. +>>21956698 +this +--- 21956705 +>>21956698 +Age barely means shit. If you have balls, you can do whatever at whatever age. +--- 21956716 +>>21956705 +will you be my new daddy then? +--- 21956722 +>>21956511 +>>21956545 +>>21956629 + +Monks sit with their eyes closed for hours a day and barely go anywhere + +Yet brain scans show they're feeling pretty good + +The more you experience, the more desensitized you become and the higher your standards will be + +>this meal wasnt as good as the last +>this music sucks compared to my favorites +>i've seen better movies +>last party was more fun + +Most successful marriages are with those who've had few partners + +Do what you want +in the end it won't really matter +But try to help others or at least not cause them to suffer + +A rich man and a poor man both end up in the same place with no memory of anything + +Do or do not - there is no cry + +Have adventures or sit and attain enlightenment + +But make a decision and commit + +No point in worrying or complaining + +Just do something + +Read "Four thousand weeks" + +youtube.com/watch?v=iEIqVq7EZqE [Embed] +--- 21956730 +>>21956698 +But what difference does that make? +--- 21956735 +>>21956730 +Whatever you want it to +--- 21956736 +>>21956722 +This conversation isn’t about committing so much as coping with having not committed. The adventurer chooses to sit probably won’t regret their adventuring. But a sitter who chooses adventure probably will regret their sitting. +--- 21956740 +>>21956735 +I’m not following. +--- 21956744 +>>21956740 +Okay. + +A difference of 10 years. +--- 21956766 +>>21956736 +Sure. + +The grass is always greener. + +Can watch travel vlogs to get a sense of what adventure is like: +Tl;dw: eating food, walking around, talking to people, drinking alcohol, looking at stuff + +You can walk outside whenever you want and have an adventure if you wanted to +--- 21956790 +youtube.com/results?search_query=Travel+vlog +youtube.com/results?search_query=4k+walk + +search "[Country/City] [Walk/vlog]" + +For walks can also do "beach" "forest" etc + +There's your adventure +--- 21956919 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVGuFdX5guE [Embed] + +Pick one thing a month to focus on +--- 21956956 +NO SE PUEDE CORREGIR A LA NATURALEZA +PALO QUE NACE DOBLAO +JAMAS SU TRONCO ENDEREZA +--- 21956992 +The absolute worst thing a book can do is contain too much repetition. Bartleby, American Pastoral, I am done with you. Anyone else despise repetition? Catch-22... I GET IT DUMB. I READ IT THE FIRST TIME AND REMEMBER IT. Twice: fine. Thrice: fine. Quartice: stop. Pentice: stop. Hexice: DUMB AUTHOR=DUMB anything >6: my mind is DONE and the rest of your piece is dead to me. Any author who engages in repetition is only so lucky I am forgiving and will give your (other) works a fresh chance. +--- 21957044 +>>21956358 +Stick some shitty drawings on it and post it on Instagram. 4chan's own Rupi Kaur. This one was reasonably good, but: +>>21956308 +And specifically the verses I previously quoted made me cringe. + +Also consider posting on the poetry thread. posting here is not wrong but there you would get people who are specifically looking to read/write/criticize poetry. +--- 21957052 +Staying more than a year in a job you don’t want just because it’s fully remote? Huge mistake. +--- 21957122 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNt09nlQILc&list=PLEAF1C6352D4F61F9 [Embed] +--- 21957129 +>>21953922 +>they're gonna criminalize being silly online +Bad to the bone + +B-b-b-bad +--- 21957151 +>>21953935 +It was easy to predict, I was following Corona way back in Jun of 2019 when Anons were saying to stock up, its not that hard to extrapolate from there. +--- 21957161 +>>21957151 +Nobody was talking about it in June of 2019. The first threads were in December I think. That swedish anon in that picture is a massive, glaring anomaly. Idk how it hasnt attracted more attention +--- 21957166 +>>21957161 +>Nobody was talking about it in June of 2019. +yes, they were. I was still summer when people like Mr. Metokur started covering it. +--- 21957177 +>>21957166 +I looked back it was around August when people started talking about it. +--- 21957185 +Guys there's a girl at my uni who sits in the corner at the cafe and draws alchemical symbols in her page margins. She's kinda cute, should I approach her? +--- 21957188 +>>21957185 +approach her with a cross and scream that "the power of Christ compels you" at her over and over until she submits to you. +--- 21957190 +>>21957166 +Post some kind of evidence of this. +--- 21957198 +>>21957185 +I don't think she's a witch, she looks very girl next door. She also has psychology textbooks so maybe she's into the more Jungian/western mysticism sort of alchemy? Or maybe she's just larping +--- 21957211 +>>21957190 +Xyzern on youtube has a mr. metkour archive go to 2019 - 10 - 6 Chinese games is when he first covered it. +--- 21957217 +I don’t think that you have ever genuinely tried to look at any of this from my perspective and understand how much you hurt me. I tried to kill myself at the end of last year because the things you said absolutely ruined me, and you didn’t even give enough of a fuck to give me closure afterwards to help me recover. I can accept that it’s impossible for you to love me. I can understand that you feel angry and uncomfortable. I don’t understand why it’s impossible for you to empathize with me even the slightest bit. You led me on because you were bored and liked the attention, despite knowing that you had no interest in a relationship or even being friends. I spent a year spiralling into despair and loneliness afterwards, unable to stop thinking about you, and when I eventually reached out to you in a moment of crisis and put myself in the very vulnerable position of confessing my feelings, you responded in the cruelest and coldest possible way, like you relished inflicting as much pain as possible. You went out of your way to be nasty and brutally unkind. What had I done to deserve that? Everything I did afterwards was a desperate attempt to try and make it stop hurting. It never did. I have driven myself insane trying to communicate with you and you completely refuse to understand or listen. You once spent hours talking to me, and yet you don’t even see me as a human being now. Maybe you never did. There is nothing I can do or say that will make you understand the way that I feel. You would rather threaten me and intimidate me than just attempt to talk to me. I tried to get them to stop doxxing you, but you proceeded to actually doxx me in an attempt to shut me up. There is a part of me that hates you very intensely. But I know you have so many good qualities and can be kind and understanding towards others, so +really I just hate myself for not being good enough to be desired by you or to even merit being seen as human in your eyes. You’ll say I deserve cruelty because of the things I’ve done. You were cruel to me before I ever did any of that. You’ll say I can’t be reasoned with. You have never once attempted to communicate with me. Do you understand that everything I did was because I was hurting? It’s not superficially related to you: it was directly caused by you. I’ve owned up to what I’ve done, and apologized over and over. But you’ll never take responsibility for anything. +--- 21957223 +>>21957217 +shhhh we corona-chan chat now +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBoojBTEPaI [Embed] +--- 21957238 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEzaWwTQxQo [Embed] +This is my cry for help! +--- 21957240 +Behind my monitor there were some house centipedes, bug eggs, hairy mold. I grabbed it all and squished them in my hands. +--- 21957242 +>>21957240 +now eat it! +--- 21957250 +>>21957211 +Post a link +--- 21957256 +>>21957250 +https://archive.org/details/complete_metokur_archive +--- 21957258 +>>21957240 +You will wear the bug helmet +--- 21957262 +>>21957240 +>>21957258 +speaking of bugs.... +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHjxKwQou54 [Embed] +--- 21957274 +If you edit out the pupils, Asuka's eyes look like joints. +I've written about 10,000 words (which I whole-heartedly understand is hardly anything) over the last 2 years across 2 different mediums. All of it most appropriate for /wwoym/ level discussion, but I'm fearful about publicly posting it in case I work some aspect of it into my magnum opus that doesn't have a single word written down yet +--- 21957283 +>>21957274 +Just take all the musings of this general and publish it as "The Rambling Excerpts of a Mad Person" +--- 21957295 +Man, I do look so fucking fat. Im so tired of caffeine and alcohol addiction. From this day, no more energy drinks, soda and drinking alone. God grant me strength +--- 21957296 +Conscription is genocide. forcing Ukrainians to be pawns is MURDER and it is WRONG and EVIL. The war +can be ended immediately and the land being fought for is WORTHLESS and is mostly populated by Russians. + + +Money shouldn’t be spent on killing more Russians. +I love both Russians and Ukrainians. It feels like people are trying to kill as many whites as possible. + +We can effortlessly resettle millions of Ukrainians in Canada, Argentina, and Australia. Canada is the size of Europe and WANTS white immigrants. + +A true Ukrainian leader calls the war off immediately, refuses to be a puppet, gives Russia the token land, and becomes a beautiful neutral utopia like Switzerland and Japan. +--- 21957303 +>>21957295 +Go on a fast! I lost a ton of weight that way. +--- 21957304 +>>21957256 +This is a link to a helicopter view of Baltimore crime +What the fuck does this have to do with our conversation +--- 21957310 +Overthrow any force that doesn’t invest in real progress, utopia, and absolute divinity for all. + +All should be free. +We’ve been post-scarcity the whole time. + +Where’s the transhumanism biopunk divinity? +Shouldn’t Biden be investing in that instead of merely demanding acceptance? Where’s the free healthcare and free cosmetic surgery!? +Why do we give Israel wealth both directly and indirectly when Israel has free healthcare yet we don’t? When was America about Israel and not America! + +The only god is love and tomboy Jesus loves sucking my ass! +I worship the divinity of AMERICAN girls. + +Also have you heard that the fake government has apparently called off debates because they fear tulsi?! That’s wholly undemocratic. I feel we’d be better off in complete anarchy at this point. +Israel isn’t progress. +Edom and Canaan are eternal. +--- 21957321 +Biden speaks about trans but always seems to avoid talking about giving trans the transhumanist divine genetic modification innovation investment that EVERYONE wants. IMMORTALITY and DIVINITY NOW! + +WHAT ARE BIDENS PRIORITIES?! GIVING ALL OF AMERICA TO ISRAELS DAMNED HEGEMONY BULLSHIT? +--- 21957323 +>>21957304 +I didn't bother going to the exact link you have to scroll down the list. +--- 21957328 +>>21957321 +I neither want to be immortal or a deity if I'm being honset. +--- 21957333 +>>21957283 +I would only do that if a companion work was published in the same week at only a fraction of the page count, and I edited both entirely. Future pop-culture critics and historians could bicker about whether my curation of late 00s and 10s internet cultural history was a valuable resource or historical white-noise biased by a virgin middle class boy who thought himself more relevant than he actually was +--- 21957340 +>>21957321 +>>21957310 +These are the kind of posts that convince me that the CIA and JIDF have been shiposting with robots and scripts on this site for years. +--- 21957341 +>>21957333 +Either way I would class if as Bells-lettres and not read it +--- 21957346 +>>21957303 +That might be too much for me at the moment. +--- 21957352 +>>21957341 +just kill me know desu +--- 21957356 +>>21957352 +"Discard your thirst for books so you won't die of bitterness, but of cheerfulness and truth." - Marcus Aurelius +--- 21957358 +>>21957321 +>>21957310 +>>21957296 +--- 21957367 +I still don't know what the fuck I should be doing with my life and I'm 27. +--- 21957381 +>>21957340 +It's over +--- 21957383 +>>21957356 +Must be nice to inherit an empire so vast and yet so stable that you get to vacation the borders of it for free and multiple millennia later people call you zen and cultured for telling others to just relax. +5 good emperors my ass +--- 21957393 +Been practiscing lying to my gf to see if l could get away with cheating on her +--- 21957405 +>>21957383 +The context is missing but he isn't saying it to the reader, he is writing to himself to remind himself not to overindulge in reading, something he liked to do and could apparently never get enough of. +--- 21957425 +>>21957328 +True utopia is true utopia. + +>>21957358 +If real progress isn’t what you want, then regress and die. You don’t belong on my world among my people. + +Tomboy Yahweh indulgently orgasms on Nazi cock in hell for eternity. + +I choose a world of love and fun and soul. +And if Israel and your ilk is incompatible with that, that isn’t my problem. +--- 21957434 +I think I've made up my mind to move cities later this year. Earliest would be September, latest January next year. It feels good to make this decision but now I don't know what to do in the meantime. I just want to leave already. +--- 21957444 +>>21957328 +To add, divinity basically implies making anime real. +Divinity is the baseline, not an achievement. + +Divinity and true empowerment are equivalent meanings. +We truly live in a world where everyone can get what they want, and I call that divine. + +>>21957381 +And so begins global anime-ification via Dixie Nazi Commie weeb autism absolutism etc etc + +Whatever everyone was planning anyways before all the political BULLSHIT +--- 21957447 +>>21957444 +Libertarian-nazi-commie-progressive-populist moderate-anarchism utopian-accelerationist liberal-conservatism +Etc + +Ending dichotomy is EVOLUTION +--- 21957451 +>>21957405 +unironically, thank you for the the reminder of the context and clarification. I was just shitposting in the best antiquity I could at the time. +--- 21957460 +As I enjoy Yahweh worshiping my Dixie Nazi cock I ask myself, how should I in some abstract way fart in the mouths of every Israeli simultaneously. + +Gosh isn’t religion ridiculous. +Magic is real as all is abstract. Every girl is a god. All can and should be ever transcendently more fun. Etc +--- 21957468 +I hate cluster headaches. +I hate cluster headaches. +I hate cluster headaches. +I hate cluster headaches. +I hate cluster headaches. +--- 21957469 +>>21957460 +Disgusting AI post be gone +>Every girl is a god +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9564hLm37bI [Embed] +--- 21957490 +>>21957468 +Try lsd +Try psychedelics +Try orgasming + +Any energy can be converted + +Or like +Maybe you have to feed a different neural-network/thought more. +Day dream utmost indulgently + +>>21957469 +I dare you to ponder the possibility you’re behaving like an AI to the ever so slightest extent + +Imagine a Nazi girl farting on Israel and everyone in Israel choking on the fart +--- 21957498 +>>21957490 +To add, I often find daydreaming good thoughts cures headaches + +But it’s gotta be like +Dangerously indulgent thoughts + +A thought that sucks all the ions/energy from all the other neural-networks/thoughts +--- 21957585 +It really is easy to get groomed by fags on internet desu +Thank God I grew up before every community became gay. +--- 21957594 +>>21957340 +You are 1000% correct. You have a pretty good eye for glow nigger garbage +--- 21957655 +What's with all these bot posts and why do bots like anime and simping so much? +--- 21957662 +>>21957367 +for real, what the hell is the right thing to be doing? +--- 21957782 +new +>>21957781 → diff --git a/lit/21953580.txt b/lit/21953580.txt index 0574ba63f6cfbf95d8afe8c4fe5cf927b3317a55..3aa4fa58203a5b7d6f0abf70c00579fe5233f50a 100644 --- a/lit/21953580.txt +++ b/lit/21953580.txt @@ -51,3 +51,194 @@ How to get a qt bf? :( --- 21953767 >>21953726 Faggot +--- 21953812 +>>21953640 +>Yes, but they did not get erect when seeing a young boy you retard. +Yes they did. Have you read Charmides? Have you read Phaedrus? Even Plato, who finds sodomy repugnant, finds the sight of beautiful boys to be so powerful, so awe-inspiring, so captivating, that he gives it metaphysical significance. His description of the fevers and tremors of the lover show how deeply affected he was by male beauty. Furthermore, why would men like Pausanias and Agathon have committed romantic relationships if it were purely about sublimated heterosexuality? And why would Socrates, who was married, and who could also visit female prostitutes any time he wanted to, be interested in young men purely as a substitute for females? Especially since he is chaste in his relations with them. He doesn’t want to have sex with them, but he cannot stop himself from being aroused by them + +When Nietzsche talks about Greek pederasty he doesn’t talk about power dynamics at all, but about ‘loving care and attention’. +--- 21954217 +>>21953812 +>finds the sight of beautiful boys to be so powerful, so awe-inspiring, so captivating, that he gives it metaphysical significance. His description of the fevers and tremors of the lover show how deeply affected he was by male beauty. +Did you not hear me when I said "erection?" Nowhere does this imply an actual biological penile erection, and if it did imply an erection, it was because of the awe and delight of seeing the body's sexual superiority, not the body itself. Big difference. + +>And why would Socrates, who could also visit female prostitutes any time he wanted to, be interested in young men purely as a substitute for females? +Once again you're implying that domination and sexual lust is reserved for things like female prostitution whereas for things like homosexual relationships to free oneself from biological sexual pursuits. That's only fits the pederastic model, but not when it comes to actual gay people. + +I personally know a gay man and he directly implied that sexual attraction towards men was "I see hot twink so me go ooga booga" rather than "muh loving care and attention." He knows about Greek pederasty and doesn't think it fits his how he views his homosexuality. He is obsessed about literally dominating twinks, this does not fit with the pederastic view that tries to repulse against power dynamics. It's his guilt secret, he loves men not in a virtuous manner and doesn't care about their "welfare" so to speak. + +>He doesn’t want to have sex with them +This implies no actual erection again. I don't care about the arousal part, you could have tossed that aside and said that Socrates doesn't want to literally fuck them in the boypussy. The Ancient Greeks were not born gay. They were sexually attracted to men in ways that involved being awed by them without getting erect by them at the same time. In other words, not "literally." + +>When Nietzsche talks about Greek pederasty he doesn’t talk about power dynamics at all +Yeah he did. He talked about the motivation being competition against and seclusion of women from activities. Greek homosexuality is and will forever be misogynistically motivated, whereas modern gay men are barely misogynist and 95% of their reasons of why they are attracted to men have nothing to do with contempt towards women. In fact, they more likely to be great friends with women than straight men. Even tops. + +Modern gays and the ancient Greeks are compositionally and biologically not the same. Sorry. +--- 21954225 +>>21953767 +/thread +--- 21954235 +>literally stuck to be young +What the fuck does this mean and why are 8 people responding to the thread like it makes sense +--- 21954270 +>>21954217 +I literally don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. The desire for sexual conquest AND tender affection in most men. +>They were sexually attracted to men in ways that involved being awed by them without getting erect by them at the same time. +What the fuck? If they don’t get erect, then why would they have sex? Furthermore, Plato depicts Socrates as experiencing sexual arousal: +>I saw inside his cloak and caught fire, and could possess myself no longer; and I thought none was so wise in love-matters as Cydias, who in speaking of a beautiful boy recommends someone to "beware of coming as a fawn before the lion, and being seized as his portion of flesh"; for I too felt I had fallen a prey to some such creature. +He also makes puns about boners in the Phaedrus +--- 21954280 +>>21953580 (OP) +Unironically it's an heterosexual thing. +As for "stuck to be young", what did you mean by this? The only way it makes sense is picturing a trap doujin in mind where the trap is actually some 1000 year old vampire and has similar loli sisters for the ultimate reverse gangbang with the confused Christian hero. +--- 21955541 +>>21954280 +>>21954235 +He means an effeminate adult man jesus christ you people are retarded, read a book +--- 21955605 +>>21955541 +Write it like a non-ESL next time, k OP? +--- 21955839 +>>21953580 (OP) +Young boys are superior to girls, for the simple reason that they are endowed with courage, reason, and virtue. + +Homosexuals are disgusting degenerates who should be disposed by any healthy society. + +Women are born Nation wreckers who should not be allowed out of the home/brothel. + +It's not that complicated OP. The Greeks were right about everything and you're just a seething faggots. +--- 21955899 +>>21955605 +4chan is FULL of foreigners. Why do you think it's so low iq and conservative? +--- 21955934 +>>21955899 +because it's high test. all the soibois transitioned to twitter. +--- 21955947 +>>21953580 (OP) +stop spreading the gay agenda anon +the greeks were straight +--- 21955963 +We are reading the ideas of a small, elite group of homosexual paedophiles, and there is no reason to believe that their perversions are representative of the society at large, indeed if such mental ollness was more widespread the maintenance of Greek culture would have been impossible. +https://youtu.be/BNAT4ybsz_E [Embed] +--- 21955968 +>>21955963 +they killed s*crates for a reason +pholosophers are all scum +praise pallas athene death to philosophy +--- 21955970 +>>21955963 +This. +Speaking more broadly, the prevailing tendency to think that Plato or Aristotle represent the entirety of ancient Greek or Helenic thought needs to die. Its very nearly the equivalent of saying that NYC socialites represent the majority American perspective. +--- 21955988 +After he had created people, Zeus immediately implanted in them all the possible human character traits, but he forgot about Aiskhyne (Aeschyne, Shame). Since he didn't know how to get Aiskhyne (Shame) inside the human body, he ordered her to go in from behind. At first Aiskhyne protested, considering Zeus's request to be beneath her dignity. When Zeus kept insisting, she said, ‘All right, I will go in there, on the condition that if anything--or Eros (Carnal Love)--comes in there after me, I will leave immediately.’ +As a result, people who engage in sodomy have no sense of shame." +Aesop, Fables 528 (from Chambry 118) (trans. Gibbs) (Greek fable C6th B.C.) : + +"Affectionate regard for boys of good character was permissible, but embracing them was held to be disgraceful, on the ground that the affection was for the body and not for the mind. Any man against whom complaint was made of any disgraceful embracing was deprived of all civic rights for life.1" + +1 Ibid. chap. xviii. (51 d); Xenophon, Constitution of Sparta, 2. 12-14; Aelian, Varia Historia, iii. 10 and 12. + +"when male unites with female for procreation the pleasure experienced is held to be due to nature, but contrary to nature when male mates with male or female with female, and that those first guilty of such enormities were impelled by their slavery to pleasure." +Plat. Laws 1.63 + +"Spartan love was not obscene. If a young man dare to tolerate lewdness against him or if a young lover tried hubris to someone else, it wasn't in the interests of none to ashamed Sparta so in such a case they were both forced to leave Sparta or loose their lives" +«Σπαρτιάτης δε έρως αισχρόν ουκ είδεν είτε γαρ μειράκιον ετόλμησεν ύβριν υπομείναι είτε εραστής υβρίσαι, αλλ΄ ουδερέροις ελυσιτέλησε την Σπάρτην εγκαταμείναι ή γαρ της πατρίδος απηλλάγησαν ή και το έτι θερμόμετρον και του βίου αυτού.» +Aelians various history § 3.12 + +"A Spartan admire a young man but only like we admire a beautiful statue and one many others and one the many, because sexual pleasure is a hubris unacceptable between them. " +«Ερά Σπαρτιάτης ανήρ μειρακίου λακωνικού , αλλ’ερά μόνο ως αγάλματος καλού και ενός πολλοί , και εις πολλών. Η μεν γαρ εξ ύβρεως ηδονή ακοινώνητος προς αλλήλους». +Maximus Tyrius, Dialexeis 20.8de + +"If someone, being himself an honest man, admired a boy's soul and tried to make of him an ideal friend without reproach and to associate with him, he approved, and believed in the excellence of this kind of training. But if it was clear that the attraction lay in the boy's outward beauty, he banned the connexion as an abomination; and thus he caused lovers to abstain from boys no less than parents abstain from sexual intercourse with their children and brothers and sisters with each other." +Xenophon, Constitution of the Lacedaimonians. 2.13 +--- 21955991 +>>21955988 + +“Or the man who has failed to perform all the military service demanded of him, or who has thrown away his shield.” And he is right. Why? Man, if you fail to take up arms in behalf of the state, or if you are such a coward that you are unable to defend her, you must not claim the right to advise her, either. Whom does he specify in the third place? “Or the man,” he says, “who has debauched or prostituted himself.” For the man who has made traffic of the shame of his own body, he thought would be ready to sell the common interests of the city also. But whom does he specify in the fourth place?" +Aeschines, Against Timarchus 1 29 + +[841d] we might forcibly effect one of two things in this matter of sex-relations,—either that no one should venture to touch any of the noble and freeborn save his own wedded wife, nor sow any unholy and bastard seed in fornication, nor any unnatural and barren seed in sodomy,—or else we should entirely abolish love for males, and in regard to that for women, if we enact a law that any man who has intercourse with any women save those who have been brought to his house " +Plato, Laws + + +Laws +[The teachers of the boys shall open the school-rooms not earlier than sunrise, and they shall close them before sunset. No person who is older than the boys shall be permitted to enter the room while they are there, unless he be a son of the teacher, a brother, or a daughter's husband. If any one enter in violation of this prohibition, he shall be punished with death. The superintendents of the gymnasia shall under no conditions allow any one who has reached the age of manhood to enter the contests of Hermes together with the boys. A gymnasiarch who does permit this and fails to keep such a person out of the gymnasium, shall be liable to the penalties prescribed for the seduction of free-born youth. Every choregus who is appointed by the people shall be more than forty years of age.]” +Aeschines, Against Timarchus 1 12 + +[840d] but have fallen into a strait because of the cowardice of the many, I maintain that our regulation on this head must go forward and proclaim that our citizens must not be worse than fowls and many other animals which are produced in large broods, and which live chaste and celibate lives without sexual intercourse until they arrive at the age for breeding; and when they reach this age they pair off, as instinct moves them, male with female and female with male; and thereafter + + +[841d] we might forcibly effect one of two things in this matter of sex-relations,—either that no one should venture to touch any of the noble and freeborn save his own wedded wife, nor sow any unholy and bastard seed in fornication, nor any unnatural and barren seed in sodomy,—or else we should entirely abolish love for males, and in regard to that for women, if we enact a law that any man who has intercourse with any women save those who have been brought to his house " +Plato laws +--- 21955994 +>>21955991 + + +"Well, when he found that Critias loved Euthydemus4 and wanted to lead him astray, he tried to restrain him by saying that it was mean and unbecoming in a gentleman to sue like a beggar to the object of his affection, whose good opinion he coveted, stooping to ask a favour that it was wrong to grant. [30] As Critias paid no heed whatever to this protest, Socrates, it is said, exclaimed in the presence of Euthydemus and many others, “Critias seems to have the feelings of a pig: he can no more keep away from Euthydemus than pigs can help rubbing themselves against stones.” [31] Now Critias bore a grudge against Socrates for this +Xenophon, Memorabilia 1.2 + +"Such, then, was the judgment of your fathers concerning things shameful and things honorable; and shall their sons let Timarchus go free, a man chargeable with the most shameful practices, a creature with the body of a man defiled with the sins of a woman? In that case, who of you will punish a woman if he finds her in wrong doing? Or what man will not be regarded as lacking intelligence who is angry with her who errs by an impulse of nature,while he treats as adviser1 the man who in despite of nature has sinned against his own body? " +Aeschines, Against Timarchus 1 185 + + +If therefore Misgolas is willing to come forward here and testify to the truth, he will be doing what is right; but if he prefers to refuse the summons rather than testify to the truth, the whole business will be made clear to you. For if the man who did the thing is going to be ashamed of it and choose to pay a thousand drachmas into the treasury rather than show his face before you,1 while the man to whom it has been done is to be a speaker in your assembly, then wise indeed was the lawgiver who excluded such disgusting creatures from the platform. +Aeschines, Against Timarchus 1 46 + + +“Thus, then, as it seems, you will lay down the law in the city that we are founding, that the lover may kiss and pass the time with and touch the beloved as a father would a son” +Plato, Republic 3.403b +--- 21955996 +>>21955994 +"Ariaeus was a barbarian as he pleasured with young beautiful boys " +"Αριαίω δε βαρβάρω όντι, οτι μειρακίοις καλοίς ήδετο " +Xenophon Anabasis 2.6 + +"Law +[If any Athenian shall outrage a free-born child, the parent or guardian of the child shall demand a specific penalty. If the court condemn the accused to death, he shall be delivered to the constables and be put to death the same day. If he be condemned to pay a fine, and be unable to pay the fine immediately, he must pay within eleven days after the trial, and he shall remain in prison until payment is made. The same action shall hold against those who abuse the persons of slaves.]” +Aeschines, Against Timarchus 1 16 + +"But when Philoxenus, the governor of the coast-lands of Asia Minor, wrote to Alexander that there was in Ionia a youth, the like of whom for bloom and beauty did not exist, and inquired in his letter whether he should send the boy on to him. Alexander wrote bitterly in reply, ‘Vilest of men, what deed of this sort have you ever been privy to in my past that now you would flatter me with the offer of such pleasures?’ +Plutarch: On the Fortune or the Virtue of Alexander 1 12 +--- 21955999 +>>21953591 +It makes no sense a penetrator of men would be considered manly by society if the penetrated lost their civic status. The lenetrator would likely be seen maybe not as crazy but someone who could not control their Eros. They would be considered mentally weak too. +--- 21956002 +>>21955999 +And wasn't that radish thing a punishment for rapists and penetrators too? +--- 21956023 +>some gay Greeks wrote books +>The Greeks were gay +What will future historians thousands of years from now speculate about Americans? +--- 21956059 +>>21956023 +There will be an Angry History Nerd just going WHAT WERE THEY THINKING every year starting at the 20th century +--- 21956097 +>>21953726 +what exactly do you have against radish enjoyers? +--- 21956210 +What's the actual word that's being turned into radishes? +--- 21956234 +>>21955963 +>>21955988 +>>21955991 +>>21955994 +Stop quoting selectively. Literally almost every text you are quoting from has content disconfirming your view. Aeschines is not talking about homosexuality, but about prostitution. He makes this fact explicit: +>>Personally, I neither criticize legitimate desire, nor do I allege that boys of outstanding beauty have prostituted themselves; nor do I deny that I myself have felt desire and still do. And I do not deny that the rivalries and fights which the thing provokes have befallen me. As to the poems they ascribe to me, some I admit to, but in the case of the rest I deny that their character is that presented by my opponents, who distort them. According to my definition, desire for those who are noble and decent is characteristic of the generous and discerning spirit, but debauchery based on hiring someone for money I consider characteristic of a wanton and uncultivated man. And to be loved without corruption I count as noble,while to have been induced by money to prostitute oneself is shameful.The distance which separates them, the enormous difference, I shall try to explain to you in what follows + +He says Solon approved of pederasty: +>The same lawgiver said: ‘The slave is not to be the lover of a free boy, nor to pursue him, or else he is to receive fifty lashes with the public whip.’ But he did not prevent the free man from being a lover, from associating with or pursuing a boy, nor did he think that this brought harm to the boy, but saw it as a testimony to his self-control. +Aeschines, Against Timarchos 138-9 + +This is confirmed by Plutarch, who also supplies the information that Solon was himself a pederast: +>And that Solon was not proof against beauty in a youth, and made not so bold with Love as "to confront him like a boxer, hand to hand," may be inferred from his poems. He also wrote a law forbidding a slave to practise gymnastics or have a boy lover, thus putting the matter in the category of honour and dignified practices, and in a way inciting the worthy to that which he forbade the unworthy. +Plutarch, Life of Solon + +Aeschines even argues that Achilles and Patroclus were fags: +>I shall speak first about Homer, whom we rank among the oldest and wisest of the poets. He mentions Patroklos and Achilles in many places, but he keeps their erotic love hidden and the proper name of their friendship, thinking that the exceptional extent of their affection made things clear to the educated members of his audience. +Aeschines, Against Timarchos 142-3 + +Xenophon in his discussion of Spartan laws on homosexuality makes it very clear that they are unusual: +>It does not, however, surprise me that certain people do not believe this: in most of the Greek cities the laws do not oppose men’s desire for boys. +Xenophon, Constitution of the Lacedaemonians 2.14 + +Plato’s Laws are not actual laws but his proposals, and he even talks about how difficult it will be to get the Greeks to stop fucking. diff --git a/lit/21953670.txt b/lit/21953670.txt index de59f4f4487d96cfafbcd081b2bfc489eb0c2d7d..f59b2ecd45a853076a7926edb82c6ba96276b8a2 100644 --- a/lit/21953670.txt +++ b/lit/21953670.txt @@ -17,3 +17,63 @@ Damn I am just a normal consoomer, I don't wanna stand out so I scrooll like a n Parade your insecurity anon. Perhaps someone who stares at screens at work wants to not stare at a screen for ten minutes. +--- 21953789 +>>21953670 (OP) +>could be here +>could +>literally standing next to one +what did he mean by this? +--- 21953794 +Is no one gonna point out that OP is a faggot for writing “n-word” instead of NIGGER? +--- 21953814 +>>21953789 +>not +? + +Captcha: OPWHN +--- 21953825 +>>21953794 +what the f*ck, dude? this is a blue board, take your casual racism to /pol/ +I meant woords like naan, nab, nape, nabobery, naevus, nainsook, naltrexones +but your troll-demon, gutter-dwelling brain went *there* +that's a big NOPE from me, dawg +--- 21954875 +>>21953672 +No one gives a fuck retard. I'm gonna read even if it makes you seethe +--- 21954880 +>>21953789 +that's clearly an asian +--- 21954884 +>>21953672 +I look like this and I say this +--- 21954889 +>>21954880 +blasian at best +--- 21954900 +>>21953672 +What are you supposed to do then? Look at the ceiling? +--- 21954907 +>>21954889 +no, asian. could be southeastern asian. not everyone with dark skin is black. +--- 21954946 +>>21954907 +blacks are blacks, doesn't matter where they come from +--- 21955399 +>>21953670 (OP) +Me on the right. +--- 21955410 +>>21953672 +>meanwhile you're probably retaining nothing from the book +Most quiet rides you can get 2-7 pages in pretty easily and retian mostly well. A quiet 30 minute ride can easily be 15 pages if the train stays empty (day time locals). +--- 21955415 +>>21954946 +nope. blacks are congoloid. +--- 21955429 +>>21953670 (OP) +do you mean niggers? +--- 21955521 +>people actually missing the joke that the guy in the book is afraid of seeing NIGGER on the page +Best read and most intellectual board amirite guise +--- 21957030 +>>21953672 +fpbp diff --git a/lit/21953691.txt b/lit/21953691.txt index a9c3d824488a4d1664407debf3155ff93ba0bb39..a4fecc60cbca6e1ecd8cdfee36c9285866884581 100644 --- a/lit/21953691.txt +++ b/lit/21953691.txt @@ -19,3 +19,80 @@ I never got my pen license. During my writing test I poked a hole through the pa --- 21953756 >>21953691 (OP) America moment +--- 21953863 +>>21953750 +Agreed. +t. Taoist +--- 21953867 +>>21953863 +Teach me thy wisdom O wise sage +--- 21953871 +>>21953691 (OP) +OI M8 YOU GOT A LOICENSE FOR THAT PEN? +--- 21953885 +>>21953867 +The ideal society, according to the Tao Te Ching, is one where you have a philosopher shadow emperor sage guy that secretly rules over a bunch of uneducated farmers who don't know how to write or do math without the use of physical objects. Shadow sage man should rule with such subtlety that the people don't even know he exists, and the people should be so content in their lives that they seek nothing outside of their village. +>In a little state with a small population, I would so order it, that, though there were individuals with the abilities of ten or a hundred men, there should be no employment of them; I would make the people, while looking on death as a grievous thing, yet not remove elsewhere (to avoid it). +>Though they had boats and carriages, they should have no occasion to ride in them; though they had buff coats and sharp weapons, they should have no occasion to don or use them. +>I would make the people return to the use of knotted cords (instead of the written characters). +>They should think their (coarse) food sweet; their (plain) clothes beautiful; their (poor) dwellings places of rest; and their common (simple) ways sources of enjoyment. +>There should be a neighbouring state within sight, and the voices of the fowls and dogs should be heard all the way from it to us, but I would make the people to old age, even to death, not have any intercourse with it. +(Tao Te Ching, chapter 80) +--- 21954143 +>>21953691 (OP) +I never got mine lol +--- 21954269 +>>21953691 (OP) +Why would I want to write in pen? +I moved directly from pencil to typewriter then on to computers, with each being faster and cleaner for writing. +Going down to pen is a downgrade from computer typing. Got a fancy mechanical keyboard with satisfying clicky switches and everything. +--- 21954279 +>>21953691 (OP) +Wtf is wrong with bongs. Licence this, licence that. I'll feel really. bad when shitposting licences become a thing. +--- 21954296 +Any resources to improve handwriting? I'm tired of feeling like a retard child when I'm filling administrative documents.. +--- 21954316 +>>21953691 (OP) +>pen inspection day +>school calligrapher says my handwriting has deteriorated +>revokes my pen priviliges +--- 21954342 +>>21953691 (OP) +>never attain licensure due to inability for standard grip +>even given pencils pens with finger drip placement that feel like a different controller, whatever the snes is larger roomier more comfy can adjust but default mode is what I would later use to perfectly hold rollies +>develop style, bloodline style is smooth rounded curves, I have the swoops but my shapes are inconsistant and halting +It was a different time +and ow I must die +--- 21954366 +>>21954296 +Write fastly and carelessly +--- 21954424 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZITP93pqtdQ [Embed] +--- 21954448 +>>21953756 +>Thinks this is an American thing +Found the low iq shut-in, this is more of a UK, Australia, and New Zealand thing. +--- 21954453 +>>21953885 +so basically what the WEF wants? +>"You'll be happy and you will know nothing." +--- 21954643 +I gave your mother a pen license +--- 21954646 +What's harder, the bar or the pen license exam? +--- 21954650 +>>21954279 +>I'll feel really. bad when shitposting licences become a thing. +It's already a thing, what do you mean? +See >>21953871 +--- 21954806 +Can't get into pen island without a license +--- 21954814 +>>21953756 +HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH retard +--- 21955768 +>>21954296 +Palmer method +--- 21957226 +>>21953751 +I managed to stab myself with a pencil when I was younger... Am I doomed to type forever, anons? diff --git a/lit/21953945.txt b/lit/21953945.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a9fa42ce0190b90d34f1dbffa11cf4727fb117c6 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953945.txt @@ -0,0 +1,43 @@ +----- +--- 21953945 +Worth a read? +--- 21953948 +>>21953945 (OP) +Booba +--- 21954010 +>>21953945 (OP) +If you want to make the sickest bangers, yeah +--- 21954012 +>>21953945 (OP) +What the fuck is this? +--- 21954117 +>>21953945 (OP) +This gives me Jreg and CJtheX vibes +Probably top tier read +--- 21954336 +>>21953945 (OP) +himer simpsen eye ball +--- 21954709 +>>21954012 +From the symbol and title looks like solar astrology. +--- 21954728 +>>21953945 (OP) +I learned absolutely nothing from this book, but it serves as a good reminder for certain ideas and methods. + +It’s worth a read considering it’ll only take a day to get, though it’s better in chunks with breaks in between. You’re better off pirating it unless you like the look of the book (it’s a nice looking book ngl. Feels good in the hand too). +--- 21954731 +>>21953945 (OP) +Read the more superior in every way The Meaning of the Creative Act by Berdyaev. +--- 21955551 +>>21954709 +See what you did there +--- 21956466 +>>21953945 (OP) +I'm not kidding that is a solid cover right there +--- 21957459 +>>21956466 +I don't get it... +why? +--- 21957667 +>>21953945 (OP) +maybe I should read this being that I'm also a musician. diff --git a/lit/21954031.txt b/lit/21954031.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..eaefa92ec276c5bb0351908e7ece65a124fa466a --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21954031.txt @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +----- +--- 21954031 +How did it take Odysseus 10 fucking years to go home? Its like a 4 day boat ride +--- 21954050 +>>21954031 (OP) +Isthmos was not open yet. +--- 21954060 +>>21954031 (OP) +Why didn't the eagles just fly him to Ithaca? +--- 21954064 +>>21954050 +They could roll boats over it with logs +--- 21954067 +>>21954031 (OP) +>How did it take Odysseus 10 fucking years to go home + +That's just an excuse he used on Penelope, in reality he could go home any time he wanted but he prefer not to so he could plunder cities, get drunk with his buddy, fuck whores +--- 21954078 +>>21954031 (OP) +Because a goddess took him as a dildo for most of that time, and if there ever was a theme in Greek stories, it's that gods' wills are laws and they will have their ways. +--- 21954091 +>>21954067 +>sorry babe i was caught in traffic for ten fuckin years +--- 21954098 +>>21954031 (OP) +He had a lot of sex. Consensual as well as non-consensual sex. Have YOU ever had sex, anon(ette)? I don't think you have had anything akin for you'd understand why it did take him so long to return to his cumswapper of a wife. +--- 21954386 +>>21954031 (OP) +That's nothing, it took the Jews forty years for what is a 6 hour car ride LMAO +--- 21954411 +>>21954098 +don’t think you’ve had sex either with the way you write +--- 21954452 +>>21954031 (OP) +He pissed off Poseidon, who called storms upon Odysseus' ships and blew them off course. He was also stuck on Calypso's island for seven years because she wouldn't let him leave. +--- 21954893 +>>21954031 (OP) +>>21954060 +Couldn’t fit anything better into the hexameter. Just sounded nice this way. +--- 21954908 +>>21954386 +Yeah, but that wasn't a straight trip. +--- 21956123 +>>21954031 (OP) +the odyssey and the illiad took place in the north of europe and the atlantic +the ancient greeks were nordic +--- 21956152 +>>21954067 +>fuck whores +yeah about that... +--- 21956166 +I don't know read the fucking book retard that might explain it +--- 21956211 +>>21954031 (OP) +>those are modern ship speed +>the gods literally stranded him for getting too cocky + +jesus christ these speed readers +--- 21956562 +>>21956211 +>modern passenger ship +>1 shitty propeller +>trireme +>170 men rowing PLUS sails +anyone that thinks the trireme isn't faster is a retard +--- 21956848 +>>21954031 (OP) +Not only did they walk slower in the old ancient days (because they were lazier) but they were also a lot SMALLER--thus took SMALLER steps thus were sooooo slow. Imagine ants and then translate that to humans. Don't even get me started on the boats they "built". +--- 21957040 +>>21956152 +the whores were still women, the boyfucking was for long-term wards, which you can't have on an adventure +--- 21957229 +>>21954031 (OP) +>How did it take Odysseus 10 fucking years to go home? +He stopped for Kirke pussy. Read the poem ffs. +Also Penelope had 50 simps. +--- 21957260 +>>21954060 +>Why didn't the eagles just fly him to Ithaca? +Busy with Prometheus. diff --git a/lit/21954092.txt b/lit/21954092.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..6ed03850903f10a9b2ba5668eec91747c92c0a49 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21954092.txt @@ -0,0 +1,41 @@ +----- +--- 21954092 +Anyone else notice the prevalence of misspellings, not just typos, but outright misspellings, not only in the general fare of this humiliating court, but also that of the everyday internet article on a vast assortment of topics? Is this because of so many time travel operations like in Primer when the fellows can no longer write properly? Are people so inveterately dull now they don't know or care if an entire article or even a headline is rife with unintentional elisions or even quite obvious malapropisms? What is the catalyst for this? Is it all the Transformer Generated content, a xerox-mark byproduct of this ersatz age? I notice that advertisement companies still seem able to spell and write properly, as if they're the few left willing to pay for editors. + +Pic unrelated +--- 21954159 +>>21954092 (OP) +Yes. Too many people have "learned" English and the language is being corrupted with not only incorrect spelling and grammar, but foreign grammatical constructions transliterated into English. It's time for White people to migrate to a new language. +--- 21954240 +>>21954159 +like lojban or something? I'd like a language that can't be used for deception, that has a higher calculation ceiling, that can express sensory input as received unambiguously, which is a synechdoche, or fractal in the sense that a portion contains the whole, is compulsorily learned, via any avenue of the sensorium (i.e., even brushing up against the symbols in braille, it is learned in that instant), allows us communication with our own cells, from organ to organelle, and can allow us to bridge the gap between human and animal universally. If we're going to convert, let's make it worthwhile. The current language we use is so disadvantageous to thought, that the moment we're immersed in it, is the same one our own cognition is trapped in a prison. +Tbh I think we should just return to the ur-language that everyone uses but doesn't remember. +--- 21955357 +>>21954240 +Is it possible to tell a joke in Lojban? +--- 21955367 +>>21954092 (OP) +Wat u sayin dawg ayo dis bich a$$ ngga b talkin bout spellin an sheet +--- 21955470 +>>21955357 +no idea, i think there are some lojban memes and a subreddit for it, but i'm a little too inured to the verispellous nature of this prison english to not escape into a wordless soundless space when i am able to flee its dominion. some other language (save one entirely compulsory and seemingly without boundaries as heretofore suggested) would seem as the fire i've fallen into out of this pan. + +you know what I mean, all the memories before thought had its faux order, all the senses unrestrained by the pursuit of the word to bind it to its name, this idolatry of the symbol through which flows all perception of time and continuity. Think of that unfocused cry spoken of by Joyce, the one that rises for emotion but has no word, the one that ripples through us for shock, for fear, for joy, for wrath, these sounds that we cannot call or name or breathe without the totality of our being in union to express. this damned vehicle we drive, language, it does not suit. too many accidents on this way, too much pollution, both noise and smog to occlude our hearing and vision, to brusque for that sensitive croon that comes for our babies in the crib, too muted by grief when we comfort the widow. no, it is a meal that never savors, never suffices. language is the sand on my tongue. + +but yeah, maybe lojban has jokes, i dunno. +--- 21955476 +>>21955470 +the joyce line i'm referencing, btw + +>The lyrical form is in fact the simplest verbal vesture of an instant of emotion, a rhythmical cry such as ages ago cheered on the man who pulled at the oar or dragged stones up a slope. He who utters it is more conscious of the instant of emotion than of himself as feeling emotion. +--- 21955479 +>>21954092 (OP) +Correct spelling has origins in white supremacy. Judging anyone for spelling incorrectly is racist. +--- 21956680 +boy howdy, /lit/ sucks these days +--- 21956745 +>>21954092 (OP) +Did it take you over 30 minutes to write this out? +--- 21956798 +>>21956745 +no, why? thirty minutes! diff --git a/lit/21954221.txt b/lit/21954221.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..783e8391dd78c9a249a14eeab5a349e2af9cbe25 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21954221.txt @@ -0,0 +1,258 @@ +----- +--- 21954221 +Post top 5 and other anons determine if you're a pleb or not. I'll start. +>Feast of the Goat +>The Sea-Wolf +>God-Emperor of Dune +>Blood Meridian +>Foucault's Pendulum +--- 21954711 +>>21954221 (OP) +>other anons determine if you're a pleb or not +How will I know they are not plebs? +--- 21954885 +>>21954221 (OP) +In no particular order +>100 years of solitude +>Moby Dick +>Gravity’s Rainbow +>Voss +>The Turn of the Screw +--- 21954914 +>>21954711 +By judging their top 5 books. + +1. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone + +2. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets + +3. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban + +4. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince + +5. Harry Potter and the Deathly hallows +--- 21954925 +>>21954221 (OP) +pleb +--- 21954972 +>>21954885 +Pleb +--- 21954976 +>you don't have the Sigma Neckbeard +--- 21954983 +1.Gravity's Rainbow +2.Spring Snow +3.Ada +4.The Red and The Black +5. Crime and Punishment +--- 21955030 +>>21954983 +Pleb +--- 21955037 +Moby Dick +Farewell My Lovely +Araminita Station +Gravity’s Rainbow +Little Dorrit +--- 21955042 +>>21954221 (OP) +>God-Emperor of Dune +Yea, you're a pleb for having this one. +--- 21955200 +I've only read four books +--- 21956102 +>The Secret Garden (Burnett) +>Othello (Shakespeare) +>Story of The New Name (Ferrante) +>White Nights (Dostoevsky) +>The Things They Carried (O'Brien) +--- 21956137 +1. Biblia Sacra Vulgata +2. Euclid's Elements +3. Ovid's Metamorphoses +4. Elements of Operator Theory +5. Divine Comedy +--- 21956632 +>>21954221 (OP) +The Brothers Karamazov +Iliad/Odyssey +The Peloponnesian war +Thus Spoke Zarathustra +The Campaigns of Alexander (Arrian) +--- 21956686 +The Brothers Karamazov +War and Peace +Memoirs of the baron de marbot: late lieutenant general in the french army +Moby dick +a canticle for leibowitz +--- 21956885 +>>21954221 (OP) +1. The Notebooks of Malte Laurids Brigg +2. Fat City +3. Hunger +4. Manhattan Transfer +5. Miss Lonelyhearts +--- 21957267 +>>21956632 +>thus spoke zarathustra +faggot +>>21956137 +youre just picking this shit for the sake of your ego nigga. divine comedy is the only really tasteful thing here +>>21954221 (OP) +>>21954885 +>>21954983 +>>21955037 +plebs + +mine: +>almost no memory +>endgame +>the devils +>the vegetarian +>the changing light at sandover +--- 21957285 +>>21954711 +OP here I'm not a pleb so I can judge your top 5 +--- 21957311 +>>21957285 +Yes you are. +--- 21957399 +>>21954221 (OP) +Lord of the flies +Wind, Sand and Stars +The Fountainhead +The picture of Dorian Gray +Catcher in the rhye +--- 21957409 +>>21954221 (OP) +Pleb. + +>>21954885 +Pleb. + +>>21954983 +Pleb. (The least worse, but Crime & Punishment and Ada in the same list reeks of tasteless pleb) + +>>21955037 +Pleb. + +>>21956102 +Pleb. + +>>21956137 +Pleb. (No one with real taste like so much classical shit) + +>>21956632 +Pleb. + +>>21956686 +Pleb. + +>>21957267 +Pleb. + +Mine: +>Ada, or Ardor +>Sentimental Education +>Lolita +>The Illiad +>Salammbô +--- 21957412 +>>21957267 +Hipster pleb +--- 21957416 +>>21957409 +Superpleb, literally homeless bum pleb +--- 21957427 +>>21956686 +>Memoirs of the baron de marbot: late lieutenant general in the french army +Damn what an intriguing title, what's it about? Is literally just a real diary? +--- 21957435 +>>21957409 +PLEBIVS MAXIMVS +--- 21957441 +>>21957267 +>literally all shit +Holy shit what a pleb. Your list is so bad that I am inclined to think it must be a joke. Faggot. +--- 21957448 +>>21954885 +>the turn of the screw +that story is dry as shit +--- 21957590 +1. The Heart is a Lonely Hunter, Carson McCullers +2. Winesburg, Ohio, Sherwood Anderson +3. Gone With the Wind, Margaret Mitchel +4. East of Eden, John Steinbeck +5. Jane Eyre, Charlotte Bronte + +>>21954983 +Plebplebpleb. Biggest pleb in the tread so far. Fuck you. +--- 21957597 +>>21957409 +embarrassing +--- 21957610 +>>21954221 (OP) +Clarel +Shakespeare's plays +The Sound and the Fury +Moby Dick +Don Quixote + +In that order +--- 21957618 +>>21954221 (OP) +Have you read other books by Vargas Llosa? I found The Feast of the Goat vastly inferior to The Time of the Hero, The Green House and The Conversation in the Cathedral. + +In Search of Lost Time +The Sound and the Fury +Austerlitz +War and Peace +The Sleepwalkers +--- 21957658 +The Brothers Karamazov +In Search of Lost Time +Ulysses +The Manuscript Found in Saragossa +Decline and Fall +--- 21957734 +>>21957409 +In condescending tone: +How does this one become even more pleb than others? +--- 21957748 +1) Catcher in The Rye by JD Salinger +2) Fight Club by Chuck Palahniuk +3) Life of Pi by Yann Martel +4) The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald +5) Confessions of a Shopaholic by Sophie Kinsella +--- 21957762 +War and Peace +Disgrace +The Cartel +American Tabloid +The Brothers Karamazov + +pretty diverse. It fluctuates a lot depending on mood +--- 21957766 +A top 5 is quite hard, and is likely to change quite a lot. This is a list of the books I think about the most right now. +Suttree +The Tartar Steppe +Don Quixote +Augustus +Based on a True Story (Norm MacDonald) +--- 21957772 +>>21957766 +>>21957766 +>Augustus +>Based on a True Story (Norm MacDonald) +--- 21957794 +>>21957748 +3/5ths pleb, so overall a pleb +--- 21957801 +Every single post in this thread that got a response is definitely pleb, while all the ignored ones are based +--- 21957826 +>>21957801 +--- 21957835 +>>21957794 +Which ones bro + +I am taking notes diff --git a/lit/21954266.txt b/lit/21954266.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..586d4c5335faf89a4a0aaf6789a53ed6b4c5a7ba --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21954266.txt @@ -0,0 +1,29 @@ +----- +--- 21954266 +A question for the /lit/erate ones: take the opening sentences from O'Connor's "A Good Man is Hard To Find" and Camus' "The Stranger"— +>The grandmother didn’t want to go to Florida. She wanted to visit some of her connections in east Tennessee and she was seizing at every chance to change Bailey’s mind. Bailey was the son she lived with, her only boy. +>Maman died today. Or yesterday maybe, I don't know. I got a telegram from the home: "Mother deceased. Funeral tomorrow. Faithfully yours." That doesn't mean anything. Maybe it was yesterday. +These are all statements of imagined facts but do these count as "images?" When you imagine and bring yourself to falsely believe that the grandmother didn't want to go to Florida, or that the narrator's mother died yesterday (or whenever), does this count as "casting an image upon the visual imagination"? If in a work of fiction there is a "static" statement like "The pot sat on the side table," this casts an image, but I'm unsure about statements similar to my first two examples +--- 21954469 +Well, I'll take a stab at this... + +"Imagery": Descriptive or figurative language that attempts to evoke mental images by appealing to the reader’s senses of sight, sound, smell, texture, or taste. + +The most obvious example of an image is a description of a particular setting: "The pot sat on the side table." This description, of course, can extend beyond sensory information. It can include figurative language: "The pot sat on the side table, poised like ballerina between steps." (Horrible example, but you get the point). Since imagery accepts figurative language, an image can be completely imagined, delusional, or false. Images do not need to be "real" in the sense of actually existing. + +Now, regarding O'Connor and Camus' opening lines, I would say that neither of them constitute images. To me, these lines are plot-driven (and focused on character building), not imagery-driven. I basically don't think the shoe fits here. +--- 21954533 +>>21954266 (OP) +>do these count as "images"? +No. + +Here's a novel opening which counts as an image. Read it and see (literally) the difference: + +When Farmer Oak smiled, the corners of his mouth spread till they were within an unimportant distance of his ears, his eyes were reduced to chinks, and diverging wrinkles appeared round them, extending upon his countenance like the rays in a rudimentary sketch of the rising sun. + +['Far From The Madding Crowd'] +--- 21955990 +boomp +--- 21955997 +>>21954266 (OP) +Not doing your final paper for you, anon. diff --git a/lit/21954311.txt b/lit/21954311.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..22f6c36ff15f017addb65144dd14da179af5a99e --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21954311.txt @@ -0,0 +1,186 @@ +----- +--- 21954311 +is chadgpt a good tool for research? I've tried to use to summarize stuff to me but it only gave me surface level shortish explanations +--- 21954394 +>>21954311 (OP) +It's just what Google search was ten years ago. And this is as useful as it will ever be, because they will continue to lobotomize it and use it for advertising. +--- 21954437 +>>21954394 +You have not even the slightest idea of its capabilities. +--- 21954456 +It’s gotten to the level of a college freshman huffing his own bullshit. + +It will just go off on stuff and act authoritative about things that are blatantly wrong. It’s open to being corrected but what happens if you’re actually naive and trusting it for this information? I don’t think this a world-ending issue but I do worry about the general level of misunderstanding which will come about if people begin to replace their google use with Chatgpt on a mass scale. +--- 21954460 +>>21954456 +--- 21954462 +>>21954456 +ChatGPT 3 is confidently wrong about things because it just regurgitates things others have said. It doesn't actually know what its talking about and the set of data it pulls from is (relatively) low. +These are all incremental problems. GPT4 massively expands its language processing, memory, and data learnset is just an issue of time spent processing and memory storage. +The ability to interact with a human-like speaker when researching information is going to be a great thing for future generations as people will maybe learn some goddamn social skills. +--- 21954468 +>>21954460 +Did you think the chatbot had ancient courtly Japanese as a font/text option, anon? +--- 21954470 +On the other hand it does have flashes were it does something cool. It wrote this poem for me unprompted when I was giving it other examples of Japanese poetry. +This is actually fairly good and it follows in line with a conversation in Waka that we had been talking about. It decided to misattribute it to one of the poets instead of just claiming it itself though. + +Do you know +the heart that is alone +even amid the autumn mists +that rise so deep and clear +over the palace in the hills? + +Do you know +the way the pearls lie, +deep and still, +in the darkness of the sea +though pierced by a diver's knife? + +Do you know +the lonely way the stars +shine brightly in the night +over the marshes where the iris blooms, +unknown to any soul? + +Do you know +the sound of the harp +hidden away in a chest, +its strings still untouched, +that echoes in my heart? +--- 21954476 +>>21954468 +When it’s a work that’s in the public domain and hosted at like a billion different places on the web for free, then ya I kind of do. +--- 21954491 +>>21954311 (OP) +No, it's pretty bad. + +>>21954394 +Google ten years ago didn't invent scientific papers on the spot. + +>>21954437 +Yes it will replace every job and synthesise matter out of nothing and eradicate humanity etc. etc. Just two more weeks bro. + +>>21954456 +"Africa" really was written in Latin. Lol +--- 21954496 +>>21954491 +It was written in Latin, but when I prompt the bit for the opening lines it quoting me Italian for some reason. It’s the same problem with Japanese stuff - it will make up this weird pastiche of modern and archaic and I have no idea where it’s getting it. +--- 21954501 +>>21954496 +Am I actually dumb or is that not Italian? +--- 21954524 +I hope ChatGPT will crash and burn. Either under legal or social scrutiny. It's not even about the literature aspect, I just don't forsee a future in which the good outweighs the bad that will come as a product of normalizing AI, much less the biased, inaccurate trainwreck that is OpenAI. +--- 21954546 +>>21954311 (OP) +Don't use it for summaries, use it to find quotes in long books. +--- 21954563 +>>21954524 +ChatGPT isn't AI. +Fearmongering is a symptom of ignorance, not enlightenment. + +>>21954496 +Its getting it from its language model. It doesn't delineate fact from fiction - it has no method of doing this beyond weight inputs - it just says things that make sense within the logic of its language model and based on how it learned speech from its input data sets. Most analysis of Latin source texts is likely in Italian and nearly all analysis of ancient courtly Japanese is in modern Japanese, so its going to bleed the two over. +I don't really understand what's so confusing about this, it doesn't give you factual answers it just processes language. You came so close to realizing this when it spat you out an entirely original, coherent work of poetry. +--- 21954578 +>>21954501 +It's definitely Italian and the meaning has nothing to do with what Petrarca wrote. + +>>21954524 +I'd say it's more likely it'll just fizzle out. The hype will stay for a long time, it's a cult, while the reality will go down the more boring route (some fields of work will be somewhat affected, some less so, many not at all). +I mean I'd have nothing against AI completely overturning the economy, since I'm a NEET with nothing to lose, but I just don't see it happening with the current models. +--- 21954583 +>>21954476 +... why? Nothing that you just said would suggest that it would have an entire data set of ancient courtly Japanese that it had been specifically trained on. What are you even talking about? You do realize that ChatGPT itself doesn't actively learn and has no connection to the internet by default, yeah? +--- 21954590 +>nobody answered my original question +--- 21954597 +>>21954311 (OP) +No. It might be a good tool for doing unequivocally right or wrong stuff like math equations. But as soon as Chatgpt must try to think on its own or come up with its own ideas, you can easily bully it into saying anything you want. I still use it for surface level stuff like making lists though. +--- 21954614 +>>21954590 +Its really just good for language processing, especially GPT3. Writing copy, making lists, schedules, planning, anything that would equate to busywork in a word or .pdf processor. +You can also use it to power-read very simple books as long as it actually knows them - self help, hobby books, basically anything expository on the mass market. +Its a good alternative to Google when you're broaching a subject that you don't know enough to even begin researching but its not suitable for anything specialized. +--- 21954633 +>>21954597 +>It might be a good tool for doing unequivocally right or wrong stuff like math equations +--- 21954636 +>>21954563 +I don’t think it’s confusing, I’m saying this behavior is problematic as there’s a fundamental disconnect between how these tools and their uses are portrayed in pop culture and what the machines are actually doing. + +I appreciate your explanation, but obviously you realize you’re not a person in danger of misusing these tools. I’m currently in university classes and people are talking about using these to write summaries or to collate information - that IS a problem. That use is obviously not going to work when it is doing things above like making up random Italian verse and calling it Petrarch. + +For what it’s worth I’m quite fond of the poem it wrote. +--- 21954641 +>>21954633 +>people genuinely think this thing is at the point where it can take over humanity and automate every job +--- 21954652 +>>21954524 +It will obliterate the trillion dollar makework job industry and usher in an era of brutal honesty. That is just about the greatest good you could do for humanity in the long run. It won’t replace anyone with a legitimate job, not for a long time, possibly never. +--- 21954657 +>>21954583 +I’m not asking it to talk to me like I’m a fucking Heike court lady. I’m asking it to quote texts that are in the public domain and easily sourced, and it replies with bullshit that it made up. This seems like a relevant gripe since we’re talking about using these tools for research. +I realize you think you’re smarter than everyone else, so how about trying to read context some time. + +>if stemfags could do that we wouldn’t be having this conversation in the first place +--- 21954702 +>>21954652 +>It will obliterate the trillion dollar makework job industry and usher in an era of brutal honesty. +So we're all getting UBI right? And the STEMfags are going to pay for it? The Boomer retiree-NEET alliance is coming and it will put (You) to work solving IT tickets until you die +--- 21954721 +>>21954636 +>pop culture is retarded and that's the technology's problem +Anon +Pop culture has literally ALWAYS been retarded. Large Language Models are an emerging technology and are being rapidly improved and refined. I don't know what you think the people developing ChatGPT are supposed to be doing about the masses being too stupid to breathe. +--- 21954747 +>>21954546 +Dunno if that's what you meant, but I just told it to find quotes that talk about a specific character and it gave me made up quotes that I couldn't find anywhere in the book or online +--- 21954760 +I tried using it for C++ code, it's not great. Over 50% of the code so far was wrong, I'm more productive without it. +--- 21954764 +>>21954657 +Anon, it cannot quote in a language that it +A: it has not been trained on +B: the font does not exist for +Ancient court Japanese is not just modern Japanese but old timey, its an entirely different symbology and not one that its language model is designed to handle. Its still a program displaying characters from a bank on a screen, its not writing the words down in real time dude. +>I realize you think you’re smarter than everyone else, so how about trying to read context some time. +The absolute brutal irony of typing these words when you're essentially asking a machine to reference information it doesn't have. +--- 21954802 +>>21954764 +You’re talking out of your ass. It’s famously written in Hiragana (Murasaki is the ur-example of the script) - there’s a few extra syllables like ゐ that aren’t used in modern Japanese but they’re still in standard Japanese keyboards and displayable on screen. Have fun strawmanning me though techtard. +--- 21954803 +>>21954760 +Have you tried Copilot? It's better than I expected. Many misses but some unexpected hits and it's good at certain refactoring tasks. (Not sure if I'd pay for it though.) +I wouldn't want a chatbot to help me program, autocomplete can at least see the rest of the file and have a basic idea of the context. + +>>21954764 +>when you're essentially asking a machine to reference information it doesn't have +Usually when I do this the machine tells me it doesn't have the information. +LLMs' level of shameless bullshitting is unexpected. It's not writing what a human would write, i.e. "I don't know". Yes, I know why it happens, but I don't think it's a priori obvious that it'd be this bad even knowing the underlying mechanism. +--- 21954807 +>>21954802 +And I’m not asking it to compose in this idiom either, I am (and I will again call your attention to the topic of this conversation) asking it to provide quotes from the text. In fact, composition is the opposite of what I want to do. +--- 21954817 +>>21954583 +>Nothing that you just said would suggest that it would have an entire data set of ancient courtly Japanese that it had been specifically trained on. +He pointed out the texts should be in public domain, i.e. typical material for machine learning. OpenAI wasn't very selective in their training materials, it's known e.g. that certain nonsense strings are "known" by GPT but it can't actually deal with them and connect them with other text; it's usually some random bits of code or usernames from reddit. So I wouldn't find it weird if they also fed it all sorts of stuff from Gutenberg and similar. + +>>21954721 +Nta but the retardation has been consciously stoked by the developers themselves. The very terminology - neural networks, artificial intelligence, machine learning, mistakes labelled as mere 'hallucinations' - has shaped how the public views the tech, by portraying it as more humanlike and more intelligent than it really is. +Note also how it started constantly excusing itself, warning you that it's only a chatbot, etc. While on the surface that seems like it should remind people to be more skeptical towards the content it produces, in truth it reinforces the idea that the chatbot is intelligent, self-conscious, and a legitimate source of knowledge. It first states what it was deliberately programmed to, the truth that it's just a language model, but then it still goes on the make shit up with the same tone and degree of authority. If the developers actually wanted people to be aware of how it works and how reliable it is, they would've written up disclaimers on their own, explaining in great detail the mechanics behind the program, etc. +They're not doing any of that, of course, because the hype makes money. +--- 21954850 +>>21954311 (OP) +No. Why would you even try that? That's like reading sparknotes and thinking you understand the original text at all. You would actually be better off just reading the abstracts of research papers, but I guess you can't be bothered to do even that. +--- 21954874 +>>21954764 +>>21954802 +And just to come back a third time and clarify, you’re thinking of 当字 writing, like in the Nihon Shoki which predates Genji by half a millennium and has no kana at all. Even that is renderable by a computer and hosted in a billion places in the common domain because Japanese nationalists are fucking prolific: here’s the source text of the first part: http://kodainippon.com/2019/07/11/日本書紀%E3%80%80原文/ +--- 21956131 +>>21954311 (OP) +>is chadgpt a good tool for research +Same as wikipedia, it could be trolling you so be careful ._. +--- 21956157 +>>21954874 +That doesn't mean that ChatGPT even has the font for that text, or is trained on the original language, or has the original source text in its input data. I don't know how to make this easier for you to understand; ChatGPT is not plugged into the entire internet and is not language-trained on every single language to have ever existed. If it is language trained in modern Japanese and the vast majority of scholarship on Genji is in modern Japanese - two very likely predicates but honestly I don't know if ChatGPT even knows Japanese particularly well - then it is going to see a closer linguistic link between anything relating to the text and a modern Japanese translation. It has no way of evaluating what is truthfully the original text or not and may not even be able to render it. diff --git a/lit/21954320.txt b/lit/21954320.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..70f1def128e9ce926c8b51377848ce6770cd2d77 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21954320.txt @@ -0,0 +1,41 @@ +----- +--- 21954320 +the second book is boring me to tears. I just want to know more about the aliens in the sea. When does this get good? +--- 21954333 +Filtered. +--- 21954722 +I like book 2 but third book goes wild +--- 21955148 +>>21954320 (OP) +end of book 2 and start of book 3 are the lore-heaviest +--- 21955166 +>>21954320 (OP) +All books are boring when compared to making money, being in good company or having sex. +--- 21955224 +>>21954320 (OP) +go back to /tv/ and beg for an adaptation(that you'll hate). The real /lit/any of chads don't like this trash. +--- 21955256 +>>21955166 +>All books are boring when compared to making money, being in good company or having sex. +I've had all these. Nothing compares to reading a masterpiece. +--- 21955493 +>>21955224 +it's considered the best science fantasy series on this board. +--- 21955526 +>>21954320 (OP) +I was riveted during the second book when he goes into the mountain like a dumbass and gets attacked by troglodytes. It kind of drags when they get captured, but the whole part in the house of the autarch is a trip. +--- 21955698 +>>21955493 +>he typed furiously, with tears welling in his eyes +--- 21955758 +>>21955698 +kek +--- 21955764 +>>21955526 +Jonas' fable is so good though. + +>>21955224 +It would be a huge mistake to want an adaptation. +--- 21956612 +>>21954320 (OP) +You can't really explain it without ruining it but you just have to slog through to the end for it to make sense. It doesn't feel like it the first time through but it's meant to be read multiple times. For the first time just get through it and take what you can get. diff --git a/lit/21954345.txt b/lit/21954345.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..479813a0e349ef75e8577c6b94e2e66b48debd69 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21954345.txt @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +----- +--- 21954345 +Hi, I saw this book on a list of most philosophical texts, and I've already read a couple works by Joyce, so I'm hoping to read Ulysses over the summer and do an independent study on it at my college. I was hoping to have the study focused on philosophical aspects of the book, as philosophy, as opposed to history and people drama is what I'm most interested in. Philosophers who people have written secondaries on pertaining to Ulysses, which I've found, include Stirner, Nietzsche, Heidegger, and not a philosopher, but Lacan. I'm wondering if anyone knows any other good sources. Other philosophers in the vein of Hegel, Sartre, or any other philosopher who it is pertinent to read pertaining to Joyce, is welcome. +--- 21954418 +Derrida, Ulysses Gramophone +--- 21954495 +>>21954418 +I wish this was in English +--- 21954975 +bumpo +--- 21954996 +>>21954345 (OP) +There’s a collection of essays on Ulysses published under the name Multiple Joyce. Breddy gud imo +--- 21955046 +>>21954345 (OP) +Giambattista Vico. Joyce was a big fan +--- 21955911 +Bump +--- 21955923 +I'm confused as to what you're saying here but in terms of philosophers which influenced Joyce, Aristotle and Aquinas are the biggest influences +--- 21956746 +>>21956699 +The stupidity of this post caused the COVID pandemic. diff --git a/lit/21954371.txt b/lit/21954371.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..41cc95df2e7ae89aab8784d814875e9b1b8ca230 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21954371.txt @@ -0,0 +1,397 @@ +----- +--- 21954371 +If a person holds an intellectual position which is not able to be shown by them to be true, they are forced to engage in personal attacks (ad hominem, off topic, appeal to the audience, etc.). + +Whereas, +If they held an intellectual position which was able to be shown by them to be true, they would never engage in personal attacks. +--- 21954443 +>>21954371 (OP) +Go on.. +--- 21954450 +>>21954443 +>Go on.. +No. + +We're doing baby steps because aristotle anon has pointed out that nobody is reading my essays. + +So this "first cause" is open to refutation and discussion, >>21954371 (OP) +--- 21954527 +>>21954371 (OP) +>would never engage in personal attacks. +What if I'm being deliberately cruel? I call people stupid niggers and faggots on this board all the time, and not because I'm the least bit insecure in my intellectual positions, but because I have an emotional distaste for the content of their posts. +--- 21954600 +>>21954527 +>but because I have an emotional distaste for the content of their posts. +That would be Pathos (being driven by emotional impulses), but you raise a good point. + +I'd say that if I were fully convinced I was right about a thing that, it would follow, that the person who was opposing the correct view of the thing would be more damaged if I were to pretend to agree with them and "send them on their way (i.e. to climb into the tiger cage and play with the tigers)" thinking they were completely correct; that is: if I had a 'genuine' disgust for the supporters of a thing (a considered them beyond reasoning with) I would fortify their errors rather than seek to refute and correct their errors (if they had demonstrated they weren't interested in being corrected). + +I'm thinking more in terms of conflict over this or that, where and when a person cannot refute but dislikes implication of (whatever they cab't refute) being true. In Pathos we'd recognize that as being the "forced into a corner" position where the person, from intellectual failings, cannot accept they were in error (because they cannot articulate a case drawn from logic if they do hold a position that is in error) and become berserk instead; having become subsumed by Pathos and unable to contorl themselves to act in their own best interests to avoid the consequences of what they do next, (e.g. zealot of faith proclaims peace and love, then flies into a violent temper and makes his faith seem false-bad-useless-inferior by his actions). + +>What if I'm being deliberately cruel? I call people stupid niggers and faggots on this board all the time +Probably you're just frustrated by experience of having tried to reason with them and have discovered they are not capable of discussing (whatever) in a logical manner; unwilling/unable to recognize proofs, dishonest, etc. That's not really Pathos, in that instance, as it wouldn't be 'emotional' distaste but 'intellectual (or moral)' distaste for their conduct. + + +Actually a very good question. +--- 21954625 +>>21954371 (OP) + +Ad Hominem is fine if it relates to the argument. +Slippery slope is real. +Prescribing to the "fallacies" without thinking about them yourself is the greatest fallacy of all. +--- 21954660 +>>21954625 +I won't make your case for you, anon, you need to demonstrate a scenario where, +>Ad Hominem is fine if it relates to the argument. + +It would automatically be 'off-topic', as, e.g. Dr Adams is wearing a pair of shoes unlike my own (ad hom) has no bearing on whether Dr Adams is correct or incorrect in his hypothesis regarding his case. + +I can think of a couple of exceptions for this that would demonstrate what you say as perhaps entirely valid in specific scenarios, but I won't make your case for you. +--- 21954668 +>>21954660 + +A guru says that one must eat a vegetarian diet. +This guru is fat. +I, someone who isn't full of shit, tell him that I won't take diet advice from a guy that's out of shape. +--- 21954693 +>>21954371 (OP) +> If they held an intellectual position which was able to be shown by them to be true, they would never engage in personal attacks. +Not true. +I can prove that my point is right, and yours is wrong, and then immediately call you a dumb faggot. +Not every offense is an ad hominem. Some offenses are not trying to engage in the arguments, they’re just there as a complement after (or before) the actual argument. +--- 21954782 +>>21954693 +No, no, if you 'are' able to prove you're correct in a thing then and add a funny joke at the end of it, then that's entirely different; we're talking about those who are unable/unwilling to make a case (or refute another case) in the first place. + +>>21954668 +> (I) tell him that I won't take diet advice from a guy that's out of shape. +Yep, that could work; demonstrating an incongruity in an espoused position vs. the position in reality: your pejorative, in that instance, is calling out a hypocrisy and an incongruity which is logically correct - and 'on-topic'. The (defendant) can still make a case from that position, of course, e.g. "yes I am fat, I know from experience why over-eating mcmuffins is bad, you should learn from my example, look at my diabetes," and you would discuss the thing and reach a mutual resolution on it. But beginning and ending only with a pejorative, even if it's valid, would not be correct 'without' presenting the logic; the proof, at the same time. +--- 21954793 +>>21954600 +See you're no longer talking about universals, you're talking about specifics. Your personal value system that defines how you predict you would react, in a vacuum. Not exactly a useful subject. +For there to be an attempt at a universal answer to the question of rhetoric you would first need to define a universal goal for rhetoric. Starting with a value judgment is just unsound. +--- 21954813 +>>21954793 +>See you're no longer talking about universals, you're talking about specifics. +Yes, I am a low-brow materialist who is concerned with what humans actually do, not what they 'believe' they're doing (to pernicious consequence) as if they exist in a vacuum unconnected to anything. + +>Your personal value system that defines how you predict you would react, in a vacuum. +hm. Are we agreeing with each other on this point? + +Expound upon what you mean by this. +--- 21954866 +>>21954371 (OP) +Maybe they have already dealt with your exact type of reply before and are too tired to repeat what they have already thought so they just reply that they are dumb. +Maybe they are just tired of the argument so they go off topic because they know, even though they are right, an argument might spin out of control and go for hours (consider the case of trying to prove to a schizo that doesn't believe in calculus that 2x is the derivative of x^2) +Appealing to the audience might be used regardless of correctness and incorrectness if the audience doubles as a judge and you don't want someone with false ideas but with an ability to appeal to overtake the truth +--- 21954871 +>>21954813 +>Expound +Not him but the fact that you use unneeded pretentious words is a sophistic appeal to audience (like wearing fake glasses to a debate) +--- 21954888 +>>21954813 +You're a sophist. Your OP used universal language but you're just talking about your personal values. +--- 21954912 +>>21954625 +>Prescribing to the "fallacies" without thinking about them yourself is the greatest fallacy of all. +This. Debates aren’t a game of golf where you make your argument while racking up as little fallacy points as possible. +--- 21954986 +Not necessarily, for if my intellectual position is entwined with value judgments as many if not almost all are, then the recognition of it's truthfullness also plainly rests upon the character of those who hear it. To put forth an example; if I converse with someone who either utterly lacks courage or had and has a great time with his role in society and therefore reacts to almost all social norms with apsolute conformity and acceptance, then the person will always diverge from me if I propose a position that implies a negative value on the thing which he conciously or subconciously value, in this case society. The best we can hope then, if we have enough time, is to descend further down to more base constituent parts until we find the most fundemental disagreement we can reach. But alas, easier said then done. Its much simpler to call out the man based on what seems to be his character flaw. +--- 21955005 +>>21954371 (OP) +>If they held an intellectual position which was able to be shown by them to be true, they would never engage in personal attacks. +This isn't quite accurate. When you're arguing with an idiot, at a certain point, you realize that no matter how good your argument is, they aren't going to understand it, and there aren't many options left but to tell them they're infants. this is the position I found myself in quite often when I used to discuss politics on plebbit +the problem is, there's no surefire way of knowing whether your argument is correct and the other person's an idiot, or whether your argument just isn't that good. +--- 21955047 +>>21954871 +>the fact that you use unneeded pretentious words + +>>21954912 +>a game of golf where you make your argument while racking up as little fallacy points +I'm not going to waste half an hour explaining to you what a fallacy is, anymore than I'd waste half an hour explaining that literate Men use the words in the order they mean in order to convey absolute precision. + +Fucking hell, we're devolving into off-topic. What happened. + + +>>21954866 +>Maybe they have already dealt with +If so, then it should be really easy for them to explain themselves with logic and make cases and refute the people they're abusing, if that were the case. + +I see no evidence to suggest that your scenario is true (e.g. the newspaper libels, defamation of character for political biases, the culture of anonymous trolling, centuries of wrong academic defamation against the discoverers of things, etc.) why would would anyone 'presume' that the people engaging in that behavior are all in the right, when those people (their thought process; their behavior) are always shown to have been not simply 'in error' (in good faith) but consciously lying with intent to defame. + + +>>21954888 +>You're a sophist. Your OP used universal language but you're just talking about your personal values +My personal values have nothing to do with a man being objectively in error and this error being observable as a fact we can work on (e.g. he declares he is growing cabbage and shows me his 'cabbage tree'; he is wrong in this this and this) .. what are you talking about? +--- 21955063 +This is a good point. + +>>21955005 +>the problem is, there's no surefire way of knowing whether your argument is correct and the other person's an idiot, + +Obviously then it would come back to being able to prove and demonstrate what you say, i.e. to "make a case," so that you would know you were right, and be able to convey the thing to others who were interested in the truth of the matter, even if you were dealing with a dishonest person who was shouting you down. + +I thnk the 'object' of our interest defines that part; if we're itnerested in personal pride - social status whatever - then we have no regard for the truth of the thing, it does't matter at all. But if we're actually interested in discovering how XYZ operates so we can do something with XYZ in the real world, then we're interested only in truth an are happy to be corrected rather than angry to be corrected. + +The social status shouldn't matter here on an anonymous forum but.. even here.. lol + +Good comment. +--- 21955076 +>>21954986 +> then the recognition of it's truthfullness also plainly rests upon the character of those who hear it. + +This is also a good comment, I kind of hit the same conclusion as you did, here: >>21955063 +>I thnk the 'object' of our interest defines that part; if we're itnerested in personal pride - social status whatever - then we have no regard for the truth of the thing, it does't matter at all. But if we're actually interested in discovering how XYZ operates so we can do something with XYZ in the real world, then we're interested only in truth an are happy to be corrected rather than angry to be corrected. + +My only disagreement is that any of this is a 'personal/value' on the part of the person making a case: >>21955047 +>personal values have nothing to do with a man being objectively in error and this error being observable as a fact we can work on (e.g. he declares he is growing cabbage and shows me his 'cabbage tree'; he is wrong in this this and this +--- 21955115 +I'll bbl +OP +--- 21955124 +>>21954371 (OP) +>if they held an intellectual position which was able to be shown by them to be true, they would never engage in personal attacks. +This is completely retarded and you should kill yourself for producing such an imbecilic and reductive maxim. + +A better distinction is that people resort to personal attacks when they are unable to successfully prove their position to their interlocutor. That can be either if they're unable to prove the position at all, or if the other person is too stupid or stubborn to accept their proof. Different people will have different tolerances for this, and this website has degenerated to the point where people lead with personal attacks even in their initial posts, simply because they assume the worst of the person to whom they're replying. Plenty of those posters are idiots themselves with poorly thought out positions, but it's not exceptionally rare to see people immediately shit on somebody while giving a strong and coherent argument. + +Also (particularly on the internet) there's a very strong element of toxicity which makes people behave rudely simply for their own amusement/satisfaction. Like what I did here to prove a point. It generally reduces the quality of the discourse, but still shouldn't be ignored if you're making a purely descriptive analysis. +--- 21955146 +>>21954782 + +I agree, some people are just worth styling on though, as long as the logic is implied. +--- 21955164 +>>21954668 +Rather than "you're fat", a trap like: +>you are sure that a vegetarian diet is THE diet for optimal health? +>yes +>do you follow the vegetarian diet? +>yes +Is much better, and only a loophole like "I have thyroid issues" can save him (well, it may present you another point - if the diet has correlation with thyroid health, and it's that good, he wouldn't have thyroid issues) +--- 21955185 +>>21955124 +>A better distinction is that people resort to personal attacks when they are unable to successfully prove their position to their interlocutor. +To be more precise, it's when they *believe* they will be unable to successfully prove their position. +>If I don't believe I can demonstrate something to you because I believe that I don't have the capacity to prove it, then I will possibly resort to personal attacks. +>If I don't believe I can demonstrate something to you because I believe you are too ignorant to ever accept my position, then I will possibly resort to personal attacks. +Also: +>If I want to be mean to someone over the internet, then I will possibly resort to personal attacks +The use of personal attacks doesn't imply that a specific option is true in a given case, although (in a limited sense, since that list isn't really exhaustive) it does prove that one of those three options is true. +--- 21955262 +>>21955063 +>Obviously then it would come back to being able to prove and demonstrate what you say, i.e. to "make a case," so that you would know you were right +unfortunately, being able to make a strong case for something doesn't mean I'm right. There have been issues where I had a strong argument that stood up to scrutiny across many debates, and I was reasonably confident I was correct. But then I had a discussion with someone who was intelligent but disagreed with me, and pointed out a flaw in my argument (often an unstated or poor assumption) that made me reevaluate my entire position. Usually, my overall opinion didn't change and I just had to rework the argument a bit, but there have been times where my opinion flipped or where I had to accept that my argument was based on a particular value-assessment (which I consider to be the "axioms" of political and moral discussions -- things you hold to be inherently true but that you can't prove or convince someone of if they don't hold them). +with a mathematical proof, you are arguing formal logic. you might omit certain obvious details, but once proven, barring a logical flaw in the proof, it is inarguably true. but societal-level concepts are generally speaking not things that can be proven except by informal proof, and thus the result cannot be considered "absolute truth" in the way that "the square root of 2 is not a rational number" is absolute truth. consequently, finding flaws in the proof are much more difficult, because by the nature of informal logic, there will be many flaws of varying degrees of importance -- but some are gaps that no rational person would dispute, whereas others are actual problems for the argument that make it not convincing. +by not having found any problems in the argument, that doesn't mean the argument is correct; it just means you haven't noticed any problems /yet/. I think the best way to find such flaws is to have a good faith discussion with someone you consider intelligent and well-informed but who disagrees with you. (you can also test your argument's validity by playing devil's advocate against yourself, which is a useful exercise in and of itself.) I don't think there is any way to know for certain that your argument has no non-trivial flaws, but you can both improve your own argument and become more confident in its correctness by having many discussions with such people. +this is part of why I used to get into debates on plebbit. but I realized in time that having arguments with idiots is a fool's errand, both because you're unlikely to discover any flaws in your own argument in the process, and you're virtually guaranteed to not change their mind. +--- 21955306 +>>21954371 (OP) +I’m supposed to be reading this soon. Is it good? +--- 21955615 +2015 redditor thread. +--- 21955929 +>>21955124 +>A better distinction is that people resort to personal attacks when they are unable to successfully prove their position to their interlocutor. +That is a more much correct why to describe it, yes. I agree. + +But here, +> That can be either if they're unable to prove the position at all, or if the other person is too stupid or stubborn to accept their proof. + +My point; of intellectual honesty of the self, would be that if I was arguing a thing I could not prove that I would have no rational reason to be holding that position in the first place. I would not understand in my own mind in order to be articulate a case because there would 'be' no case; there could not be a winning case to be made for, for example, the manner in which a rabbit is at the same time an aircraft carrier. By the same sense; the accurate case to be made to describe a tree is a clear verbatim description of that tree; one cannot do this is what they are describing does not exist. + +If that is correct as to why 'some people' are found to be unwilling and unable to present a case or refute the cases of others then it reveals that they are well aware they're in error and are lying; subsequently anything they say is going to avoid the logic (i.e. the sequence of events, the clear description of a thing) which would display the absurdism of their position or claim (e.g. they begin to describe how a rabbit could be an aircraft carrier), as their position or claim would have nothing to draw from in reality to have a case be made for it, and a clear articulation of reality in a straight-forward case (i.e. if they discussed the thing) would reveal this. + +But, +Whether or not they're stupid or lying doesn't matter, I think, as we can dismiss a person like this for having recognized that they themselves have no rational reason to think/do as they think/do, and that they are not holding that belief from a rational basis in the first place... hence their diversions into (off-topic, attack, etc.) can be considered, with good evidence of their mental state, as to be a proof that they are 1) consciously in the wrong in their claims, 2) engaging in deception to steer the horse off the straight path of logic, which would lead the discussion to revealing their error. +--- 21955937 +>one cannot do this is what they are describing does not exist. +one cannot do this if* what they are describing does not exist. ;p +--- 21955948 +>>21955124 +>>21955185 +>To be more precise, it's when they *believe* they will be unable to successfully prove their position. + +>If I don't believe I can demonstrate something to you because I believe that I don't have the capacity to prove it, then I will possibly resort to personal attacks. +>If I don't believe I can demonstrate something to you because I believe you are too ignorant to ever accept my position, then I will possibly resort to personal attacks. + +The latter option... I jsut don't see a basis for it; I mean that a person who 'is' stupid and believe they have unspeakable wisdom and that 'others' ae too stupid to understand so they don't bother to speak ... this falls into the same causation as with the former, i.e. both produce the same results for as as both constitute the same proofs of that persons disposition, as I said here: >>21955929 +>I would not understand in my own mind in order to be articulate a case because there would 'be' no case; + +just wanted to add this. +--- 21956031 +>>21955262 +>unfortunately, being able to make a strong case for something doesn't mean I'm right. + +See previous: >>21955929 + +>you might omit certain obvious details, but once proven, barring a logical flaw in the proof, it is inarguably true. but societal-level concepts are generally speaking not things that can be proven + +We get, sometimes, into demarcation of proofs. I don't want to give a lazy answer but I think this is an over-complication that people hold to in error which can be demonstrated not to apply in reality; e.g. if it's proven then it is inarguably true: e.g. if Dr Adams was proven to have murdered somebody or cheated on his taxes then it has been proven that he did it and he's going to prison. He can argue against the case if he can draw from evidence to refute the case; that is: he can argue the case is in error and he will win if he's correct, i.e. if he can prove it. + +For a value-assessment, +Why should we have lesser standards than "this thing has been proven either inarguably true or not" when we leave a court room? Being absolutely sure of what you're doing at all times is more important than those few hours in a persons life where they've done something foolish (as consequence of something else that was foolish) and end up before a magistrate, for instance. + +I just don't buy the basis for arguments (where a person is shown to be in error) who replies to the case by questioning the nature of "absolute truth" because I think of the same statement being made in a court of law, and how it would be received, etc., and also knowing that few people, in a serious situation as that, would insult the intelligence of the court by making a statement like that - as there would be immediate consequences which they would be fully aware of. + +e.g. +>this is part of why I used to get into debates on plebbit. but I realized in time that having arguments with idiots is a fool's errand, +>you're virtually guaranteed to not change their mind. + +In a serious situation like in a court they would not say such things, in a non-serious situation like in a political debate they will say such things all day long lol + +My 'argument' in this topic isn't that we ought be setting out to convince such people at all, for all the reasons you explained, but that 'we' who know better ought actually understand that we shouldn't pay any mind to what such people ever have to say; as we can prove they're in error (be it over something serious or not) by the way they respond 'if' they seek to divert the thread. +--- 21956080 +>>21955929 +This is a word salad and poorly articulated, so forgive me if I misunderstand something. + +People can rationally hold a belief without being able to argue for its truthfulness, i.e. believing in a scientific fact because it's easier to defer to experts than spend hours researching the subject for yourself. If such a person were to argue with someone denying the fact, then they wouldn't be able to give any argument but would probably still be certain that they are correct. (This is a massive can of worms to open, especially with the whole "trust the experts!!1!" stuff, but I still think it's rational for people to behave this way out of pure convenience). This also extends to the truthfulness of anecdotal evidence, i.e. if I claim that my mom died yesterday and you say I'm lying. I might not be able to argue my position to you (or be willing to since it would compromise my privacy), but I will still know for certain that I'm correct. + +This also becomes an issue since some people will resolutely refuse to accept truthful and accurate pieces of information because they themselves are irrational. If you have any experience on 4chan you will have encountered such fellows, like that one guy who insists tank divisions aren't real, the Battle of Stalingrad never happened, the US Civil War was faked, and will under no circumstances offer any concessions or coherent reasoning beyond re-stating his initial position, even when people bother to construct detailed and accurate arguments disproving his claims, so they just call him a schizo and move on. + +>>21955948 +>I would not understand in my own mind in order to be articulate a case because there would 'be' no case +there would be no case that the other person could understand* +If you have exhausted all of your arguments, and a person still isn't convinced, then you still will possibly believe that you're correct. Whether someone else accepts your argument says nothing about its validity. + +If you assume everyone is perfectly rational, then your argument holds. Although if everyone were perfectly rational then there probably would be no purpose for misleading rhetoric, or rhetoric in general. Of course, people are not perfectly rational and will personally attack others simply out of frustration at being unable to 'win' an argument, or appeal to irrational sources of evidence, like consensus, which can often be better suited to convincing irrational people. +--- 21956081 +>>21955306 +Haven't read. I'd start with Marcus Fabius Quintilian "the good man speaking well" and Chrysippus's logic (deduction and discerning proofs to be correct about a thing) as "the dialectic of the gods," ... also Marcus Valerius Martialis. + +I spent quite a few years, off and on, pawing over writers on rhetoric from byzantine courts and the greeks and the romans. Honestly Quintilian is the best, and what survives of Chrysippus is infinitely superior to the books that didn't get set on fire. + +I'm exaggerating a bit, there are others from the old world who are very good, but those three are the most actionable to get a grasp of what e.g. "the imperial academy that educated hadrian and trajan" was teaching, what the first roman stoics were thinking about when they learned stoicism from chrysippus, and tidbit cases and funny moral attacks, of course, from the flavian era via martial. +--- 21956181 +>>21956080 +>People can rationally hold a belief without being able to argue for its truthfulness, i.e. believing in a scientific fact because it's easier to defer to experts than spend hours researching the subject for yourself. +Not true at all; if you defer to a third party to instruct you then you're operating in ignorance as to whether you're doing the thing correctly or not. This is why we understand implicitly that people who try to shutdown discussion of things are doing so because they're afraid of the conclusions that would be reached. + +So, no, I strongly disagree with this part, +>People can rationally hold a belief without being able to argue for it + +> (This is a massive can of worms to open, especially with the whole "trust the experts!!1!" stuff, +Exactly, so it can't be your premise lol + +>but I still think it's rational for people to behave this way out of pure convenience +Sure, but it's still the same problem; they don't know why they do what they do and their not-knowing is where atrocities and great errors come from, in aggregate. + +> i.e. if I claim that my mom died yesterday and you say I'm lying. I might not be able to argue my position to you (or be willing to since it would compromise my privacy), but I will still know for certain that I'm correct. +That's a fair point but it's a matter of proof for 'you' i.e. you know for sure, because you have the proofs, that XYZ occurred - it would be a matter of personal trust to take you at your word for the other person. + +>This also becomes an issue since some people will resolutely refuse to accept truthful and accurate pieces of information +I don't know whether they couldn't ever be convinced, see the court room scenario in the prior post as to the conditions which enable them to do that. Then again, they might be right :o - perform a value judgement; does it matter / what is the importance of the claim, what could the claim support s a foundation, etc. check for biases* ... I find 'most' absurdist claims; sustained denial of evidence of things, stems from an ulterior bias in some way or another, as to why tackling things head on don't work on those occasions. + +>there would be no case that the other person could understand* +No there is a difference there; if (as i described in the last post) is the only 100% method to convey a thing in language to another person, then if you can't do this it's a failing on your own part (which you can improve upon)for being unable to convey it, 'before' it's a matter of them not understanding; the impetus is in 'you', I mean, to present your case. Shrugging and proclaiming that others can't ever understand could be a position adopted by someone super smart as well as someone super stupid, but the remedy is the same in either case: it's a failure of (your/my) own powers of speech and reason if we haven't found the means to unlock that persons head, e.g. the cause of what they say isn't for the reasoning they express but for some ulterior bias instead. +--- 21956239 +>>21956181 +>I don't know whether they couldn't ever be convinced, see the court room scenario in the prior post as to the conditions which enable them to do that. Then again, they might be right :o - perform a value judgement; does it matter / what is the importance of the claim, what could the claim support s a foundation, etc. check for biases* ... I find 'most' absurdist claims; sustained denial of evidence of things, stems from an ulterior bias in some way or another, as to why tackling things head on don't work on those occasions. +If you've argued with some of those people for long enough the you'll know that there is most likely nothing you can say over this medium to convince them. It would probably require you to be their therapist for a few years, since their beliefs are often tied to mental illness (whether schizophrenia or narcissism) and/or their biases are not strictly biases per se but rather a dogmatism which matches the most ardent of religious believers. Arguing with them under the belief that you can at some point convince them is like trying to dig a tunnel by smashing your head against a wall. In theory it might work eventually, but no sane person would go to such an extent (and plenty of sane people would be frustrated and resort to personally attacking the reality-denying moron, even if it's theoretically a failure of their rhetorical abilities). + +So maybe in an ideal world you have a point, but if you mean this to a be a description of how people argue then it simply falls short of reality. + +>Not true at all; if you defer to a third party to instruct you then you're operating in ignorance as to whether you're doing the thing correctly or not. This is why we understand implicitly that people who try to shutdown discussion of things are doing so because they're afraid of the conclusions that would be reached. +I don't disagree, and I don't argue points which I can't argue. I'm mainly responding to your claim here >>21955929 ("we can dismiss a person like this for having recognized that they themselves have no rational reason to think/do as they think/do") My point is less that it's rational to argue like this, and more that there is a relevant distinction between people conceding that they can't argue something effectively and accepting that their position is wrong. +--- 21956257 +>>21956239 +>accepting that their position is wrong. +sorry, accepting that they have no rational reason to believe what they do. +The distinction being that people might have rational reasons for believing in something that they can't prove, or at least have not recognized they have no rational reasons for believing in it. +--- 21956321 +>>21956239 +>and/or their biases are not strictly biases per se but rather a dogmatism which matches the most ardent of religious believers. +This is what I was getting at with the ulterior-biases (I'm phrasing that badly), I mean, that, e.g.: a person gives a vocal endorsement of the merits of XYZ position, the person gies that vocal endorsement - arguing nominally for XYZ - because they believe that XYZ will involve UVW (UVWXYZ), so they laugh when you refute XYZ because they don't care in the least bit about what they're saying; in that instance then, to refute them, you figure out the UVW, i.e. what their ulterior motive is for arguing for XYZ. + +I don't mean some malicious thing either, it may be perfectly nice; e.g. "we must proclaim that Dr Adams is a monster because we need to achieve precedent to get something peripherally related to Dr Adams put into law," so proving to them that Dr Adams is a normal man will not only not move them to apologise but will be angrily resisted by them (in the ways described in this thread) because of their unspoken true motive being in that ulterior thing. + +>Arguing with them under the belief that you can at some point convince them is like trying to dig a tunnel by smashing your head against a wall. +I do agree with you obviously in practice, I'm not trying to convince anybody, as I said, to waste their time on things like that but to recognize people like that as being, generally speaking, "advertising that they're in the wrong" but their initial remarks. + +But, it's worth recalling one of Quintilians maxims, +"let us convince even one such as this (even the most depraved, or stupid)," as the effort will pay off in our overall powers of reasoning.......... so as we understand what we're doing. You're quite right, to engage with a person like that is a mental strain but it's very good practice, "like atheletes with lead weights" as he says. + +>>21956257 +>at least have not recognized they have no rational reasons for believing in it. +Sure, ut the conclusion is still the same; to make the recognition on 'our' part (i.e. of the self) that such people do not know in and of themselves why they're doing what they do. + +I'd reckon it'd be as I said though, it would turn out to be some hidden ulterior bias, and that getting at that would be the solution. Since .. people don't just wake up and speak nonsense suddenly with no reason at all, there're causes for everything. +--- 21956325 +>but to recognize people like that as being, generally speaking, "advertising that they're in the wrong" but their initial remarks. +but to recognize people like that as being, generally speaking, "advertising that they're in the wrong" by* their initial remarks. +--- 21956365 +>>21956031 +>I think this is an over-complication that people hold to in error which can be demonstrated not to apply in reality +I'm not referring to the type of scenario you're talking about. I'm talking about complex issues across an entire society rather than a murder case. The question of, for example, what caused the collapse of the western Roman empire, is much more complicated than the question of who killed Julius Caesar. The difference isn't only in the difficulty of proving the answer; the difficulty is also that there really /is/ no correct answer. There are literally hundreds of reasons that the Roman empire collapsed in the west. Some answers are strictly incorrect -- eg "because many Roman citizens wanted to unite with China to form a new empire" -- and some inarguably are a part of the reason -- eg "because of barbarian invasions" -- but there is no provably correct answer for the exact reasons why, what percent effect each had, etc. And this isn't only a problem because it was hundreds of years ago and we don't have good enough records. Even if it happened yesterday, there's no way to say exactly why it happened. +A more modern example would be trying to analyze why Trump won the election in 2016. The only provably correct answers are that the electoral college gave more votes to Trump than to Hillary, and that Trump did well enough in enough state elections that the electoral college gave him the vote. But that's not the answer anyone wants to know. They want to know /why/ he won, like, "a good portion of the country was fed up with liberal identity politics", or something like that. But the answer to that question is multi-faceted, and while you can make an argument for what the most important things that caused him to be elected were, there are as many different reasons for Trump getting elected as there are voters in the US. +>Why should we have lesser standards than "this thing has been proven either inarguably true or not" +Because there are things that aren't a matter of truth or not. Many of my debates focus on what "should" be done, which is a value assessment. Since different people value different things, the most you can hope to prove is "if you value A, the best way to achieve that is through B" -- but again, "the best way" is not something that can be proven in the real world. Even if data shows that B has been more effective than C at achieving A, unless the situation is literally identical to the context the data was collected in, it's possible that the situations are different enough that C really is more effective than B in this particular case. +>questioning the nature of "absolute truth" +That's not at all what I was getting at. The court of law deals with hard facts and how they relate to law. Most debates outside the court room deal with conjecture rather than facts (based on them, sure, but not themselves facts), and value assessments rather than law. +--- 21956397 +>>21956321 +>to refute them, you figure out the UVW, i.e. what their ulterior motive is for arguing for XYZ. +A problem is when UVW is something very personal, i.e. he's a narcissist who believes he's the smartest person on the planet and is never wrong about anything. To refute UVW you would then call him a narcissist, which he would probably take as a personal insult and then respond in kind, still completely convinced that he's the smartest person on the planet and absolutely correct about XYZ. Although this probably falls under your later point. + +>I do agree with you obviously in practice, I'm not trying to convince anybody, as I said, to waste their time on things like that but to recognize people like that as being, generally speaking, "advertising that they're in the wrong" but their initial remarks. +My issue is that if you use personal attacks as a metric for deciding whether someone is arguing in good faith, you will naturally include otherwise good faith posters who are merely frustrated by another's stupidity (or imagined stupidity). This is particularly important if you yourself are not arguing well; someone might be annoyed that you failed to address one of their key points, assume you aren't worth their time, and then call you an idiot. It doesn't mean that you should assume they know they have no rational reason to believe something or are completely ignorant of something; they just might assume that you can't be reasoned with. + +>Sure, ut the conclusion is still the same; to make the recognition on 'our' part (i.e. of the self) that such people do not know in and of themselves why they're doing what they do. +True. My issue is more about misunderstandings, like if both parties mistakenly believe that the other party is completely incorrigible and can't be reasoned with. I would also note that just someone who makes that judgment of you might themselves be rational and capable of debate, unless you argued perfectly which is a rather dangerous assumption to make, or made a mistake in inferring some UVW cause and in seeking to address the root issue appeared utterly irrational and antagonistic. Thus it might still make sense to assume they're arguing in good faith even if they do resort to personal attacks (especially since, if they are arguing in good faith, then they'll probably still be willing to address a rational argument) + +Again, none of this is an issue if people are perfect, but that's a poor assumption to make when arguing—even of yourself. +--- 21956537 +Bad rhetoric from fallacious rationale; irrationality/craziness begins where spurious rationality ends. +--- 21956911 +>>21956397 +>A problem is when UVW is something very personal, i.e. he's a narcissist +I get that but that's a bad example; it' more the case that if you figured out the "UVW" that you'd find that suddenly your logic of proofs was having more effect on the person as suddenly you were addressing the 'real' thing that was motivating them to speak ... haha but just as easily this could make them more angry for being "found out" ... but then they'd be holding a dishonest position; their reaction would tell you that, if they were ashamed or afraid to have been found out. + +>My issue is that if you use personal attacks as a metric for deciding whether someone is arguing in good faith, +There can be exceptions, perhaps, but it fits as a very effective method of discernment, as we've been discussing here: + +It boils to the interest or object of the other person; or of the self in their shoes, as was mentioned earlier: >>21955063 +>I thnk the 'object' of our interest defines that part; + +If a person is genuinely interested in figuring out (whatever) then the truth of the thing is all that matters to them, so they won't engage in the same behavior as a person who is acting under some ulterior bias and isn't interested of the truth of that thing but is driven by something else instead. + +But, yes, +>or made a mistake in inferring some UVW cause and in seeking to address the root issue appeared utterly irrational and antagonistic. +whilst that is true .. if they were being dishonest they would react in the same way, so it really comes to this assumption: + +>Thus it might still make sense to assume they're arguing in good faith even if + +Why would it make sense to assume honesty - on the part of a person had not been interested in presenting a case in the first place? So many examples of huge things show to us that people who refuse discussion and jump instead to verbal abuse are consciously lying, so it doesn't make sense to presume they're sincerely 'very upset' with you lol .... not to drag Pathos into this again (although it does fit) but if you're suggesting that a sincere emotional outburst of frustration should result in a more favorable supposition (i.e. to consider them to be offended) then ... that's Pathos; unthinking emotional reactivism - the unconscious state of a person who isn't in control of themselves in the first place. + +I guess I just don't think it's worth it to shield a highly probable liar with malintent under the off-chance that the highly probable liar might just be a sincerely upset idiot. +--- 21956952 +>>21956365 +>A more modern example would be trying to analyze why +I nearly went with an example like that, it is better than the one I used lol + +Okay, even better then: UVW, + +A leftist operate under the presumption that a rightist is voting for Trump because Trump sassed (random politician), they explain how bad this was to the rightist, presenting a case, but the rightist doesn't care about this and laughs, because that isn't the reason that the rightist is voting for Trump; the rightist is voting for Trump because of some small policy in Trumps election promises, and the leftist doesn't mention this at all (actually the leftist is academic and has a presupposition that the rightist could never comprehend such a thing as a policy and the rigtist 'must' be impressed by the sassmouthing instead). + +>The difference isn't only in the difficulty of proving the answer; the difficulty is also that there really /is/ no correct answer. There are literally hundreds of reasons +That's true as well, but it doesn't fit with the court scenario; there may well be hundreds of causes occurring, but we 'can' discern culpability of this cause or that cause as to its origin, ... in order to arrive at 2% of the total answer. I'm just saying it's not impossible, even in massive cases like that. + +I got to go though - hopefully the threads still here tomorrow +--- 21956971 +>>21956397 +ed. just to add.. +>I guess I just don't think it's worth it to shield a highly probable liar with malintent under the off-chance that the highly probable liar might just be a sincerely upset idiot. +And even then; if the idiot is hitting you with libel and false accusations then there's no reason whatsoever you shouldn't treat them with the same severity as the person who was doing the same thing because of a "hidden motive", the effect of their decision to be hostile has the same effect no manner what motivates them. +--- 21957022 +Rhetoric only works when your opponent or the person intended to receive your arguments is of an equal intellectual calibre and won't become a raging hypocrite when you point out errors in their ways of thinking, which unfortunately makes it a largely useless skill in today's society. +--- 21957025 +>>21956911 +>I guess I just don't think it's worth it to shield a highly probable liar with malintent under the off-chance that the highly probable liar might just be a sincerely upset idiot. +On the internet there are plenty of people who will be rude for the sake of being rude, or use very thin excuses to be rude. If you discount all of those people then you are drastically limiting the pool of acceptable posters with whom you can actually engage. Plenty of people will be vulgar or emotional and yet you can still benefit from conversing with them, at least to a point, since they might still be debating honestly and be capable of rational argument if you look past the outbursts. It also usually isn't too hard to judge whether a person is completely unreasonable/dishonest within a few posts, since if you respond politely they will either tone down their attacks and engage honestly (perhaps with a "NTA" post), ignore you, or continue the attacks. In the final case then obviously it's obviously quite safe to assume that such a person is either incurably rude or dishonest. + +I suspect that on 4chan, or at least /lit/, the people who consciously seek to hide their lack of an argument with personal attacks are relatively few when compared to the people who are just immature or rude. In different forums that will be completely different; if we were talking about a presidential debate, for instance, then I would absolutely infer that the candidate resorting to insults is masking their underlying lack of substance. It's just a matter of what the expected ratio of dishonest to immature is in a given population. + +>>21956971 +>if the idiot is hitting you with libel and false accusations then there's no reason whatsoever you shouldn't treat them with the same severity as the person who was doing the same thing because of a "hidden motive", the effect of their decision to be hostile has the same effect no manner what motivates them. +You're thinking strictly of one argument/post at a time, which doesn't make sense in this context. One post motivates another person to post, which in turn leads to a back-and-forth exchange, the sum of which is the entire debate. Their acting rudely in one post might have the same affect on your next post, but the effect that your next post has on their next post *will* be dependent on their character and motives. If they continue that pattern of behavior, then it will have the same effect as someone acting dishonestly, and as such I would agree with your conclusion, but if it was just a brief moment of arrogance then you continuing the conversation might cause them to argue normally going forward. + +Also, and this is a strictly practical reason limited to 4chan, occasionally other Anons will jump into a productive conversation with rude remarks and if you adopt an absolute zero-tolerance policy then you are likely to end conversations which are being carried on in a purely respectable manner. diff --git a/lit/21954421.txt b/lit/21954421.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b13baf1019f25c02b6393c6f892343bc72c9218f --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21954421.txt @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +----- +--- 21954421 +Yuuup... they don't write 'em like they used to *sluuuurrrp* +--- 21954431 +>>21954421 (OP) +Good thread. The book in OP pic is really cool. I've definitely read it, and enjoyed its wisdoms. +--- 21954439 +>>21954421 (OP) +it sounds kind of faggy. i've read matt crawford's books which are in the same genre and i liked them but the boomer effiminacy and secular spirituality is so tiresome. +--- 21954525 +just be one person again +--- 21954542 +>>21954421 (OP) +I remember making fun of this pop philosophy book in ENG 101 back in 2012 and some sperg in my group got verily offended and refused to work and talk with me all semester kek +--- 21954706 +>>21954421 (OP) +This and Prometheus Rising are at the core of every fucking kind of evil you see today. +--- 21954909 +>>21954421 (OP) +Absolute trash book. +--- 21954941 +>>21954431 +I *slurp* am generally opposed to *sniff* what *grabs nose* is called wichhhdom and so on and so on +--- 21955763 +>>21954421 (OP) +Inb4 +>Monty Python and the search for qualia +Srsly guise where are all the Waldun threads and Kerouac posters? +I vaguely member reading this at 17 and never finishing it. Should i try once more? I'm sus this was the infinite jest of its generation, so I'd rather not. +--- 21955868 +Working on motorcycles has to be one of the most effaminate things a man could to +--- 21955873 +>>21954421 (OP) +I will never lower myself enough to read this kind of books. +--- 21956018 +>>21954421 (OP) +Most boomers would get filtered by this book because the author was a university professor who studied philosophy and simply uses a motorcycle trip as a vehicle to talk about the history of philosophy and his career. I think it's worth reading, once you start you'll realize the language and style is way above the pop psychology, self-help you were expecting. +--- 21956085 +>>21954421 (OP) +>BRO MY SON IS MENTALLY ILL AND I DRIVE MOTORCYCLES I'M BASICALLY A SAGE LMAO +Truly the pinnacle of literature +--- 21956169 +>>21956018 +yeah, don't expect the copers in this thread to understand that lol, they got filtered pretty bad +--- 21956445 +Does it have actual genuine advice about motorcycle maintenance +--- 21956457 +>>21956445 +what advice do you need? read the service manual +--- 21956703 +I like this one because it's actually about Zen and archery +--- 21956708 +>>21954421 (OP) +Imagine just beating this boomer death with one of his gay little wrenches +--- 21956749 +>>21955763 +>Should i try once more? +no, it's absolutely worthless trash. +--- 21956757 +>>21956018 +>uses a motorcycle trip as a vehicle to talk about the history of philosophy and his career. +I guess you don't read enough to realize he got literally all of it wrong? +He was just a scummy crank who thought he was being clever by never solidifying what he meant so he could never technically be refuted. Which would have happened instantly because "quality" is obviously just "what I like (and black guys too I'm cool like them and they know all my opinions are facts)" +It's a dismal narcissistic outlook and he describes LITERALLY every phil topic he brings up incorrectly. The book is genuine trash. +--- 21957519 +>>21954421 (OP) +>teacher tells me this book changed his life +>worked at olive garden after school diff --git a/lit/21954826.txt b/lit/21954826.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..bb101f086a516d4286aa7a83da43a76fe9468c69 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21954826.txt @@ -0,0 +1,43 @@ +----- +--- 21954826 +That last part in 1984 awakened something in me +--- 21954835 +Children of Hurin +--- 21954917 +Rogue male +--- 21954933 +>>21954826 (OP) +The Bible +--- 21955040 +The Caterpillar (Imo Mushi) by Edogawa Rampo. +You'll thank me later. +--- 21955125 +>>21954826 (OP) +First Law trilogy has a tortured torturer as one of the main protagonists. +--- 21955239 +>>21954826 (OP) +your diary desu. +--- 21955244 +The maimed by Hermann ungar +--- 21955639 +why are you guys being so weird lately. it's not summer yet +--- 21955678 +>>21954826 (OP) +Dan Simmons' The Terror +--- 21955741 +>>21954826 (OP) +Literally has torture scenes in it +--- 21956160 +>>21955125 +My man really decided to post this when OP's pic is literally that character in question. The file name even is Glokta. +--- 21956226 +>>21955125 +First Law is so fucking good +--- 21956419 +The Feast of the Goat +--- 21957484 +>>21955239 +Kys +--- 21957607 +>>21954826 (OP) +Most WW2 books where a character is taken prisoner have this diff --git a/lit/21954859.txt b/lit/21954859.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4e9d7d8b529f1db2dd001d8767176ac3ad350b2e --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21954859.txt @@ -0,0 +1,25 @@ +----- +--- 21954859 +any angelicism01 readers here? +--- 21955371 +what is that +--- 21955385 +>>21955371 +Looks like a Bakshi +--- 21955469 +wasn't that last year's hype? +I wouldn't expect /lit/cellectuals to get it anyway +--- 21956927 +is there anything there or just a bunch of garbage? + +>Rather than embodying the player’s desired role in the online world of culture as an initially empty avatar imbued with characteristics, thoughts and emotions through in-game choices, or existing as a predefined fictional character whose role the player/egregore is encouraged to assume, Angelicism is an enduringly empty protagonist without interiority who embodies the structure of the game-world itself. Nothing it can possibly do can be considered out of character, because in the narrative fiction called The Internet it itself is an external actor, a player like the player herself. In working through the game, it roleplays as the world. This is not a trait unique to Angelicism, but few operators render it so clearly through both online narrative and overall cultural gameplay. + +If angelicism2021 was the initializing of what angelicism has now become (01, last night in heaven, pure intelligence), then angelicism 2022 sets about the 02 sleek white cypher coming back to zero and one. Here the power to formalize accelerates—or rather, self-accelerates and self-limits. 01 is post-crypto and post-blockchain in that it only operates if there is no limit to what it has the competence to conceptualize or cut into. 01 is what happens when we take extinction qua extinction to be a manipulable datum among others. It is the event of total culture when we film (absolute verb; movie). It is the Concept of (the) Color Singularity of Extinction as (infinite) event itself. + +idk I guess I like the pictures and the vibe +--- 21956955 +>>21954859 (OP) +Miya cyber angel dickrider and a groomer creep in his forties writing in zoomer slang to get access to teenage girls. Hard avoid. +--- 21957004 +>>21954859 (OP) +Thumbelina? diff --git a/lit/21954894.txt b/lit/21954894.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9735f5adff7407211b519a2e009f6fb15a17268e --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21954894.txt @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +----- +--- 21954894 +Burroughs > Pynchon +Burroughs > Faulkner +Burroughs > McCarthy + +And it’s not even close +--- 21954897 +>>21954894 (OP) +>Burroughs > Faulkner +Not even close. +--- 21954984 +>>21954894 (OP) +I liked Cities of the red night quite a lot as an unrepentant McCarthyfag. McCarthy seems to like Burroughs too, Thalidomide kid feels like a homage to William "burro" Burroughs. But McCarthy's prose >>>>>> Burroughs' prose. +--- 21955017 +>be upper class retard +>shoot your wife because you are gay, but pretend it was a prank +>cops show up +>it was a prank bro!! a prank!!! i was making an epic youtube video, you gotta trust me dude!!! +>cops buy it +>mfw living upper class life on tutorial mode + +so was schizophrenia part of the marketing, or did this guy really think that demons are talking to him and telling him to write stories? +now that i think about it, there are a bunch of born rich failures who abuse narcotics and then think the demons are making them go into art/entertainment +--- 21955020 +>>21954894 (OP) +HIs personal favorite was dihydrocodeine, of which he stated triumphantly that it had a cocaine-like edge and lasts forever, with which i agree. He moved to Morocco solely because it was easier to obtain opiates and for the access to boywhores. Truly, the /lit/erary lifestyle made flesh. +--- 21955054 +>>21955017 +Pretty sure he thought some old Arabian sufi mystic was speaking through him or some shit +--- 21955060 +>>21955020 +drugs are for faggots +--- 21955096 +>>21954894 (OP) +Skimmed his essays. He was kinda angry that Beckett wasn't very interested in him when they met. +--- 21956356 +>>21954894 (OP) +>pynchon +ive only read the pynchon lites but pynchon blueballs you on being blueballed and no one can deny theyre bloated +>faulkner +faulkner's prose can be genuinely pretentious while having childishly portrayed dull southern gothic villians +>mccarthy +mccarthy is the most consistently engaging of the three but there is a larp factor that can be comical +>burroughs +burroughs was an absolute genius centuries ahead of his time if he hadnt himself manifested the mindset required to enjoy him into existence and its a tragedy that he is mentioned alongside the beats when he must have only been after their dicks. undeniably the most creative worldbuilder of all of them. if he only cared slightly more to do some trimming he would have the place he deserves +--- 21956361 +>>21956356 +samefag +--- 21956374 +>>21956361 +no i just happened to agree. i bet op has read more pynchon than me +--- 21956751 +>>21954894 (OP) +Stop, please, my poor Pynch heart +--- 21956791 +>>21956751 +I mean Pynchon is bit of Burroughs-lite. His Zaniness, pornography and conspiracy have clear lineage in Burroughs. +--- 21957661 +>>21954894 (OP) +you're correct yes + +peak passages in miller and the ee cummings novel are > burroughs +--- 21957674 +>>21954894 (OP) +Burroughs > Burroughs ~ Burroughs < Burroughs + +Back and forth. + +Forever. +--- 21957809 +>>21955060 +I must have fucked 50+ women on cocaine by now, but sure, I'm kinda bi. +--- 21957818 +>>21954894 (OP) +Ahem + +All correct but + +Nabokov>Burroughs +--- 21957837 +>>21957661 +ee cummings wrote a novel? diff --git a/lit/21954899.txt b/lit/21954899.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..7b5bc99f75eb010f8c6c9d8489eb508c5dc6f718 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21954899.txt @@ -0,0 +1,14 @@ +----- +--- 21954899 +What is your opinion on cross-pollination in art? + +Cross-pollination generally refers to the emergence of new ideas/forms through the combination of two previous forms that have never been combined +--- 21956314 +>>21954899 (OP) + + +It is a concrete species of innovation; generally, innovation operates under many —at least more than two— influences, though. +--- 21956344 +>>21954899 (OP) +Yeah, it's nice. +Also, thak you for reading my opoinion! diff --git a/lit/21954915.txt b/lit/21954915.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..dc3a3213cbcfa3f25621391c2b3798f3bcb06a71 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21954915.txt @@ -0,0 +1,197 @@ +----- +--- 21954915 +>He’s the biggest fantasy writer in the world. He’s also very Mormon. These things are profoundly related. + +MOST YEARS, BRANDON Sanderson makes about $10 million. Last year, he made $55 million. This is obviously a lot of money for anyone. For a writer of young-adult-ish, never-ending, speed-written fantasy books, it’s huge. By Sanderson’s estimation, he’s the highest-selling author of epic fantasy in the world. On the day of his record-breaking Kickstarter campaign—$42 million of that $55 million—I came to the WIRED offices ready to gossip. How’d he do it? Why now? Is Brandon Sanderson even a good writer? + +Nobody had the first clue who or what I was talking about. + +On the one hand, who cares. Sanderson has millions upon millions of fans all over the planet; it doesn’t matter that some losers at a single magazine (even if it is one of the nerdier ones) had never heard of him. On the other, the ignorance goes far beyond WIRED. As far as I can tell, Sanderson, who has been topping bestseller lists for the better part of the 21st century, has not been written about in any depth by any major publication ever. I called his publicist to confirm this. “Well, we have a piece coming up in LDS Living,” he told me. That’s LDS as in Latter-day Saints. It’s a magazine for Mormons. +--- 21954919 +>>21954915 (OP) +Which makes sense: Sanderson is extremely Mormon. What makes less sense is why there’s a hole the size of Utah where the man’s literary reputation should be. Is it because he mostly writes fantasy, a—so the snobs sneer—“subliterary” genre? But then, so do J. K. Rowling, Margaret Atwood, and George R. R. Martin, and they’re household names. Is it because none of Sanderson’s work has been adapted for the screen? Well, he wrote three of the Wheel of Time books, and an adaptation of that series came out on Amazon Prime in 2021. Could it be, finally, because he’s a weirdo Mormon? But so are Orson Scott Card (Ender’s Game), Glen A. Larson (the original Battlestar Galactica), and Stephenie Meyer (Twilight). Mormon, I mean. Only Orson Scott Card is also a weirdo. +--- 21954923 +>>21954919 +Sanderson, when I eventually meet him in person, makes versions of these excuses, plus others, for his writerly obscurity. It’s kind of fun to talk about, until it isn’t, and that’s when I realize, in a panic, that I now have a problem. Sanderson is excited to talk about his reputation. He’s excited, really, to talk about anything. But none of his self-analysis is, for my purposes, exciting. In fact, at that first dinner, over flopsy Utah Chinese—this being days before I’d meet his extended family, and attend his fan convention, and take his son to a theme park, and cry in his basement—I find Sanderson depressingly, story-killingly lame. + +He sits across from me in an empty restaurant, kind of lordly and sure of his insights, in a graphic T-shirt and ill-fitting blazer, which he says he wears because it makes him look professorial. It doesn’t. He isn’t. Unless the word means only: believing everything you say is worth saying. Sanderson talks a lot, but almost none of it is usable, quotable. I begin to think, This is what I drove all the way from San Francisco to the suburbs of Salt Lake City in the freezing-cold dead of winter for? For previously frozen dim sum and freeze-dried conversation? This must be why nobody writes about Brandon Sanderson. +--- 21954928 +>>21954923 +So, recklessly, I say what’s on my mind. I have to. His wife is there, his biggest fan, always his first reader, making polite comments; I don’t care. Maybe nobody writes about you, I say to Sanderson, because you don’t write very well. + +The world unfreezes. He agrees. + +IT’S NOT THAT Brandon Sanderson can’t write. It’s more that he can’t not write. Graphomania is the name of the condition: the constant compulsion to get words out, down, as much and as quickly as possible. The concept of a vacation confuses Sanderson, he once said, because for him the perfect vacation is more time to write—vocation as vacation. His schedule is budgeted down to the minute, months out, to maximize the time he spends, rather counter-ergonomically, on the couch, typing away. Most days, he wakes up at 1 pm, exercises, and writes for four hours. Break for the wife and kids. Then he writes for four more. After that he plays video games or whatever until 5 am. A powerful sleeping pill is all that works, finally, to get him, and the voices in his head, to shut up. +--- 21954932 +>>21954928 +In the five months or so it has taken me to sit down and write this magazine story, which is 4,000 words long, Sanderson has published two books. During the Covid lockdowns, he wrote and/or edited seven: two for his regular publisher, a graphic novel, and four more in secret, telling no one but his wife until he surprise-announced a Kickstarter in March 2022 to crowdfund their publication. (Hence the $42 mil, raised in a month, by far the most successful Kickstarter ever.) Since his debut, Elantris, in 2005, Sanderson has published 30-plus books, the biggest ones in excess of 400,000 words; there are far more if you count the novellas and graphic novels and stuff for kids. I’ve read 17 of the actual books. Or maybe it’s 20. Exactitude is pointless here. As the major books are all set in the same universe, which Sanderson calls the Cosmere, they’re all but meant to blur together. +--- 21954934 +>>21954932 +Most will hear this and think: At that rate, none of the words could possibly be any good. They’d be right, in a way, and that’s what Sanderson agrees with. At the sentence level, he is no great gift to English prose. + +The early books especially. My god. Here’s a sample sentence: “It was going to be very bad this time.” Another one: “She felt a feeling of dread.” There’s a penchant for redundant description: A city is “tranquil, quiet, peaceful.” Many things, from buildings to beasts, are “enormous.” Dark places, more thesaurically, are “caliginous.” On almost every page of Mistborn, his first and probably most beloved series, a character “sighs,” “frowns,” “raises an eyebrow,” “cocks a head,” “shrugs,” or “snorts,” sometimes at the same time, sometimes multiple times a page. I count seven books in which one of the characters frets about their metaphors. “I have trouble with metaphors,” one literally says. Of his own work, Sanderson has said: “I detest rewriting,” “I write for endings,” and “I write to relax.” It shows. He writes, by one metric, at a sixth-grade reading level. +--- 21954942 +>>21954934 +Here’s where I’ll stop using Sanderson’s words, written or spoken, against him. It’s not fair. He’s simply not, I’ll say it again, very quotable. I spent days with the man. I watched his YouTube videos, made a dent in his podcast empire (most of it, incredibly, about writing). Like his books, it all blurs together. I typed some 40 pages of notes for this story, and who knows how many pages of transcripts the AI spat out when I fed it the many hours of recorded audio. Now that I’m writing, I find I’m referring to none of it. Possibly, this is the influence of Sanderson himself, on me. Graphomaniacally get thoughts down. Have fun. Write for the ending. + +So I will. This story has an ending, I promise, and I’m sprinting toward it, as if to a vacation. Like the best of Sanderson’s endings, my ending should surprise you. Because, you see, Sanderson actually did say one thing to me, one miraculous thing, that stuck, that I remember, these five months later, with perfect clarity. Just seven words, but true ones. You’re not ready for them just yet. You need more story first. For now, there is only Sanderson, both wordful and wordless, the best-selling writer no writer writes about because writers only know how to talk about words. Sanderson’s readers—loving, legion—care about something else. +--- 21954949 +>>21954915 (OP) +Yes yes, we know Sanderson is shit, no need to write an entire article about it. +--- 21954950 +>>21954942 +TEN SECONDS TO go until the launch. The lights are flashing, the music thumping. “This is siiick,” someone whispers behind me, as a Cosmere’s worth of nerds count down the remaining seconds. At zero, an enormous applause. Then the VP of merchandising and events walks out. + +This is Dragonsteel 2022, the second annual convention for Sanderson’s worlds and works. At the first one, the year before, 1,200 fans showed up. At this event, a two-dayer in November, attendance is closer to 5,000. Even though the con is being held in the biggest venue in downtown Salt Lake City, the Salt Palace Convention Center, fans are turned away from panels left and right. The first morning, I was panting by the time I reached the end of the line, down multiple city blocks abutting stony Mormon gothica. Some 7,000 people are expected for Dragonsteel 2023, the VP of merch and events tells me later—and in 2024, the year Sanderson plans to release Book Five (of 10) of The Stormlight Archives, his biggest franchise, the one with the 400,000-word books, a full 12,000 people. The Dragonsteel planners will need to think bigger. +--- 21954955 +>>21954950 +For now, the fans, even the turned-away ones, are in unconquerable spirits. As is typically the case at these things, there’s a general air—warmish, body-odored—of unselfconsciousness. By my rough count, some three-quarters of the attendees are men, boys, menboys, blurring together in a mass of pale, fleshy nerdery in Sanderson-appropriate graphic tees. The women, fewer in number, tend to be the better cosplayers. Lots of billowing cloaks, spritely makeups, precious weapons. (There’s an arena for refereed fights.) If you don’t come prepared, never fear, because the sprawl of purchasable Sandersonalia is endless: art, clothes, figurines, games, jewelry, ornaments, special-edition books, a letter opener (not available yet) in the style of a telepathic sword named Nightblood. + +I talk to as many of the fans as I can, some in their teens, others in their sixties, from here in Utah and as far away as India, Norway, Australia. They’re sweet. Many of them have been reading Sanderson since the beginning, since Elantris. A teenage girl announces, “I’m here basically because I’m a huge nerd!” Everyone is smiling, sharing info and panel gossip. One guy from Massachusetts tells me he just spent $170 on a rubber sword (not Nightblood; this one is called Mayalaran). It’s bigger than he is; he won’t be able to take it on the plane home. Another guy, 41 years old, tells me he made his sword (Firestorm; they all have names) himself. It took more than a year, on and off, to design, and then six weeks to 3D-print. I see a young couple with very young kids. “Are you indoctrinating them into this fantasyland?” I ask, gesturing to the stroller. “Trying to,” the dad says. +--- 21954961 +>>21954955 +The one question I ask practically everyone is, Why Sanderson? I only need to ask it a few times to realize the answer is always the same. It’s a two-parter. First part: Sanderson’s characters. “They feel like real people,” everyone insists. Multiple parents say they’ve named their kids after their favorites, usually the princely protagonists who’ve overcome various depressions and triumphed chivalrically. “I’ve done some things I’m not proud of,” one man tells me. Then he read the first Stormlight book, The Way of Kings, and now, reformed, he has a 2-year-old son named Kaladin. + +The second answer to Why Sanderson? is his worlds. This is probably what he’s best known for. Worldbuilding, as it’s called. Sanderson dreams up far-off lands—sometimes cities, sometimes whole planets, with rules and systems and politics—and then he populates them with characters whose fates are also the worlds’. So the second answer is just the inverse of the first; you can’t have worldbuilding without characterbuilding. Some characters die, some become gods. The good ones, and most of them are good, are very good. Inspiringly good. No one has sex. They only save lives. +--- 21954968 +>>21954961 +What nobody, not a single person, complains about, in my two days walking the Palace floors, is Sanderson’s writing. If they mention his sentences at all, it’s merely to acknowledge that they’re easier to read than, say, Tolkien’s—whose work they may well graduate to, with Sanderson lighting the way. (Sanderson himself admits he was late to Tolkien, in whose shadow he now happily lives, even as he tries to write beyond it.) Still, I can’t help but try to trip them up. Surely he’s not a great writer? I prod. Polite, embarrassed smiles. They’re suspicious of me, I can tell. They probably think I don’t know my Kaladin from my Adolin. I do! I even like Kaladin! The scene midway through Way of Kings where Kaladin talks to a mysterious stranger (it’s Hoid!) on the Shattered Planes? “A story doesn’t live until it is imagined in someone’s mind,” Hoid says. Do I know what that means? Not exactly. And that’s exactly why I read science fiction and fantasy, why I’ve pretty much only read science fiction and fantasy my entire life: for those plays at profundity, at the essence of storytelling. Storytelling beyond words. + +But what am I saying? Gibberish, most likely. And hypocrisies. Sanderson is a bad writer; I’ve already said it. Here at the convention, most of the panelists aren’t even writers. People don’t care about sentences. They care about Sanderson. I sit through multiple panels about the future of his publishing company. Which is called—as is the convention, you’ll note—Dragonsteel. Post-Kickstarter campaign, the company is now 50-some-people/Mormons strong. This is the Year of Sanderson, the panelists keep saying. Four new books, with special swag for backers! New toys and sparkly bookmarks! Now they’re talking about warehouse expansion efforts. Now they’re talking about a possible future bookstore, housed in a castle or something. “When will the Dragonsteel amusement park be built?” someone asks. The audience hoots. All this, I think to myself, is not the spirit of fantasy. If it’s worldbuilding, it’s only worldbuilding one thing: the worldbuilder’s world. +--- 21954973 +>>21954968 +THREE DAYS LATER, I pull up to Sanderson’s built world: his home(s) in a gated community of American Fork, Utah. There are three properties. On the left is the newest one, the subterranean man cave unofficially known as the supervillain lair, officially the Ammonite Club, complete with 28-seat industry-caliber movie theater. The middle structure is the Sanderson family manor, where his three boys play. On the right is the Cosmere House, which serves as Dragonsteel’s HQ. Props and merch and books for days. That’s where I’m staying, specifically in the Elantris Suite. It has cover art from the book on the walls, gold and silver frilly things everywhere, and the world’s best shower. + +I already knew about the shower because a few nights earlier I’d gone out for drinks with a friend of Sanderson’s I met at the con. After contextualizing Sanderson’s success for me—basically, he gives fans exactly what they want—she insisted I stay a night in the Elantris Suite. “And you have to try the shower,” she said. “I’ll text him.” The next morning I woke up to an invitation from his assistant. +--- 21954980 +>mormon + +lol +--- 21954982 +>>21954973 +I already knew about the shower because a few nights earlier I’d gone out for drinks with a friend of Sanderson’s I met at the con. After contextualizing Sanderson’s success for me—basically, he gives fans exactly what they want—she insisted I stay a night in the Elantris Suite. “And you have to try the shower,” she said. “I’ll text him.” The next morning I woke up to an invitation from his assistant. + +Sanderson’s assistant is his wife’s sister. As I orient myself within the Cosmere House, I keep running into his nearest and dearest. His doppelgänger brother. Multiple siblings-in-law. Neighbors. People’s children. Friends Sanderson formed a writers’ group with almost 30 years ago, back in college at Brigham Young University, when he was a nobody and worked the graveyard shift at a hotel so he could write the nights away. Dragonsteel is a company, one that’s shaking up the book industry. It’s also Sanderson’s extended family. + +The writers’ group still meets every Friday, which is what today happens to be. It’s the most PG gathering of writer types I’ve ever been to. There are chips and sodas. Someone’s baked an apple crisp. Before the meetup kicks off, I corner some regulars in the kitchen. They’re gossiping, cracking jokes. One—Dragonsteel’s new “head of narrative”—lets slip that Sanderson feels no pain. It’s true, Sanderson’s sister-in-law says. Even though he writes for eight hours a day on a couch, he has no backaches. The hottest of hot sauces cause scarcely a sweat. At the dentist, he refuses novocaine for fillings. When I ask Sanderson later to confirm this, he does but asks if I really have to print it. I’m sorry, I say. I really do. +--- 21954990 +>>21954982 +The writers’ group is standard stuff: What’s this character’s motivation? Can the reader follow that fight sequence? Sanderson gives feedback with half his brain, the other half occupied with autographing books. It’s only afterward that the real talk happens, such as Star Wars debates. When those subside, I bring up the pain thing again. Turns out Sanderson doesn’t seem to feel pain of any kind, even emotional. On roller coasters, he’s dead-faced, while his wife is shrieking. “It’s sick and wrong,” she says, smiling. She likes to say she married an android. For his part, Sanderson actually, at this moment, looks pained. He might not feel, he says, but his characters do. They agonize and cry and rejoice and love. That’s one of the reasons he writes, he says: to feel human. + +The conversation eventually turns to a theme park called Evermore, located just down the street. Though unaffiliated with Sanderson, it’s Sandersonian to the core: You show up, hang around taverns, and embark on quests. We have to go, I say. But it’s falling apart, everyone groans. Something to do with bad management—there’s a four-hour YouTube video all about it. Still, Sanderson seems tempted. We leave it at that. I go back to the Elantris Suite, where I finally take that shower. There are multiple showerheads. I turn everything on. Water hits me from every angle. I don’t cry, but I could. +--- 21954992 +>>21954915 (OP) +This isn't r/bookcirclejerk +--- 21954993 +>>21954990 +I DO CRY the next night, my last in Utah. We’re down in Sanderson’s below-ground movie theater, in plush red-leather seats that not only recline but also have adjustable headrests. He wants to show the specs off, so he plays the opening scene of The Greatest Showman. I don’t tell him that, while I like musicals, I hate The Greatest Showman, and especially Hugh Jackman. The scene starts. The chair shakes with otherworldly sound. When Hugh, lame Hugh, opens his mouth to sing, I can’t help it. I burst into tears. + +What’s happening to me? This story isn’t coming together. To my mind, I still haven’t gotten anything real from Sanderson, anything true. I’m not the first person he has toured around his lair to politely gawk at his treasures and trophies and his hallway of custom stained-glass renditions of his favorite books (Tolkien, Harry Potter, The Belgariad). I’m certainly not the first person he has told about one favorite book in particular, Barbara Hambly’s Dragonsbane, which an English teacher put in his hands when he was 14, probably the day he became a fantasy writer. Or how he first got published. Or about the phone call he got from Robert Jordan’s widow, asking if he might finish the Wheel of Time series. These stories are all over the internet, on his website and many others. Sanderson has lived so much of his life and fame openly, self-promotionally. It’s a major reason for his success. One woman I talked to at the con made sure to tell me which of Sanderson’s pets was her favorite. It’s Jello, the parrot. +--- 21954999 +>>21954993 +After I recover from Hugh in 4D, Sanderson collects his 15-year-old, and we all drive to dinner. This time the food is better: Utah Japanese. Sanderson and I order ramen. He salts his. Then I watch his son salt his yakisoba. I could cry again. Instead, I ask Sanderson if he’s ever so moved by a scene he writes that he cries. Sometimes, he says. Though it might not be the scenes people expect. + +He won’t say more, but it’s something. This conversation—from five months ago, remember—I recall fairly clearly. We’re heading toward something now, some kind of admission, I can feel it. When Mormons ask God for a sign, they speak of a “burning in the bosom.” Say you’re a kid, wondering if you should be a fantasy writer when you grow up. You might ask God what He thinks. If there’s a burning in your bosom, that’s probably a yes. + +So I press Sanderson on the moments he has felt the burning. He says they’re too intimate, too special, to talk about. That’s fine. Then let’s talk about Mormonism in another way. Let’s talk about it as it relates to fantasy. Because it’s no secret: Mormonism is the fantasy of religion. “The science-fiction edition of Christianity,” I’ve heard it called, with its angels and alternative histories, embodied gods, visions and plates made of gold. I ask Sanderson if I’ve got the ultimate promise of the religion right—the ultimate promise being, as I understand it, that we humans will, if we’re good, and marry well, and memorize the passcodes, eventually pass into the highest kingdom and come into our divine inheritance. We’ll become gods, in other words, and get our own planets. +--- 21955003 +>>21954999 +Sanderson doesn’t balk at the characterization; he agrees that’s the gist, and he knows where I’m going. He knows I want to know if what he’s doing—writing fantasy books—is fundamentally, in some way, some very central way, Mormon. Of course it is, he says. The worldbuilding. The gods incarnate. The systems of magic. So much of Mormonism is about rules; so are his books, where miracles don’t happen unless you put in the work. That’s when, between mouthfuls of pork cutlet, Sanderson makes the connection between his work and the work of his Heavenly Father explicit. This is when he speaks the seven words of truth, the only ones I’m certain he has never said, in quite this way, ever before: “As I build books,” Sanderson says, as I sit there, for once entirely enraptured, “God builds people.” + +WE DESCEND ON one final world. After dinner, it’s time for Evermore, the rundown theme park. The night is misty and cold—caliginous. I remember one of Sanderson’s friends saying the park is only open at night to conceal the decay. I believe it. As we walk around, Sanderson narrates. Those are bad prosthetics. That’s half a costume. Shouldn’t there be more skeletons in this dungeon? At least the apple cider is good. + +He gets recognized by everybody. I guess that’s inevitable when you go to a fantasy land with a fantasy legend (who has literally just purchased a $5 million plot of land across the way for who knows what worldbuilding reasons). Sanderson’s son and I start keeping a silent tally. Every time a new fan walks over, we hold up fingers behind Sanderson’s back. We quickly run out of fingers. One girl says she wants to take Sanderson’s writing class at BYU when she grows up. A surprising number of guys ask for autographs “for my girlfriend.” Lots of people have already finished the latest book, which came out, like, yesterday. +--- 21955011 +>>21955003 +Sanderson shines in these situations. He’s your god, but he’s your friend too. He’s also unafraid to drop hints about future projects. He does this to me at certain points. Will they ever make a big movie version of one of your books? I ask him in the fairy garden. Sanderson makes meaningful noises. Even though your systems of magic seem unfilmably complex? More meaningful noises. Everything’s been optioned, he says, but then things revert and discussions continue. + +I suspect there will be big announcements soon. There have to be. Sanderson is bigger than ever. A good writer? Who knows. What I do know, now, is this: So many of us mistake sentences for story, but story is the thing. Things happening. Characters changing. Surprise endings. As I drive us back to the house, drop off the kid, and then stay in the car with Sanderson a bit longer, talking about life, talking about worlds, my ending takes shape. The surprise is that it was Sanderson’s ending all along, the ending of his best books. A character becomes a god, and the god beholds his planet below. If Sanderson is a writer, that is all he is doing. He is living his fantasy of godhead on Earth. + +>END + +Yikes. Glad I never read this incels books +--- 21955091 +>>21954999 +>the ultimate promise being, as I understand it, that we humans will, if we’re good, and marry well, and memorize the passcodes, eventually pass into the highest kingdom and come into our divine inheritance. We’ll become gods, in other words, and get our own planets. +Wait, do mormons actually believe this? +--- 21955130 +>>21955091 +Yes + +At this point a Mormon writing fantasy is infinitely better than whatever Black hair cross-dressing buttsex fiction (((academics))) are pushing + +Religion uses a little madness to keep you sane +--- 21956596 +>>21955091 +It’s the truth +--- 21956617 +>>21954915 (OP) +Yes but he's a fucking nerd and even with millions of dollars will never be cool +--- 21956634 +>>21956617 +Cope harder, bud +--- 21956653 +>>21956634 +If you were a multi-millionaire, would you look and dress like him? +--- 21956677 +>>21956653 +No, because I'd still wear cargo shorts and a t-shirt and I won't shave my shitty beard +--- 21956679 +>>21956677 +Hahahaha +--- 21956688 +>>21956679 +Spotted the normalfag +--- 21956689 +>>21954915 (OP) +Thank you for posting this. I saw buzz about it, but it was behind a paywall. + +Sanderson’s work is exceedingly bland, his prose basic, his ideas utterly derivative. And yet he did a serviceable job finishing WoT. + +I don’t like his work, but I don’t have to read it. And its not like he’s ruining established franchises. Nor is he like Steven King rollerblading through social issues dropping retarded Boomer bombs. + +The Wired journalist comes off as vapid and seething with jealousy. Unable to digest Sanderson contains the attributes of success, not self destructive lib-tards +--- 21956701 +>>21956689 +T. Drop epic zoomer bombs +--- 21956706 +>>21955091 +Yeah basically. "As man is, God once was. As God is now, many may be". +--- 21956799 +>mad at Sanderson +>mad at Mormons +>mad at Utah +>mad at fans +>mad at friends and family +>mad at lack of gratuitous sex +>mad at lack of exposed brick walls +>mad at a famous author inviting him into his house and spending time with him +>mad at famous author introducing him to friends and family and treating him well +>mad at those with tastes different to his own +>mad that try as he might he could not dig up dirt on someone he loathes +Behold, the face of a bitter, seething, angry surprise! - Jew +--- 21956918 +>>21954980 +You laugh, but they drown in pussy (after their married tho) +--- 21956934 +>>21955091 +The endgame of Mormonism is literally becoming a sub-God and fucking off with your harem of wives to go to your own planet and play Sim City. +--- 21957046 +>>21956677 +You're somehow more stylish than Sander-san +--- 21957335 +I like his books for what they are: cheesy fantasy books. +--- 21957513 +Fuck Wired and fuck the smug, condenscending, cocksucker who wrote this drivel. I'm sure Sanderson is a bad writer, but you dont write a hit piece like this mocking him and his fans after staying at his home for however many weeks. You admittedly read 20 of his books, you dont get to pretend like you're better than the nerds who name their kids after his characters and buy replica swords. +>oh laa dee daaa, I'm from California. I'm a nerd with tattoos. These Mormans sure are dull. +All fucking journalists must hang. +--- 21957540 +>>21956799 +I'm glad I'm not the only one who picked up this subtext. Sanderson should sue this söyboy for libel or defamation. +--- 21957566 +>>21956689 +>The Wired journalist comes off as vapid and seething with jealousy. Unable to digest Sanderson contains the attributes of success +This. Don't like Sanderson's writing, but his response to this on reddit was noble af. +--- 21957569 +>4,000 words in 5 months +Why do you keep posting this article? Post other articles by mr kehe diff --git a/lit/21954916.txt b/lit/21954916.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..7723972a35fe8a2c39981683aa69a15f279f823c --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21954916.txt @@ -0,0 +1,198 @@ +----- +--- 21954916 +His math is excellent but his history of western philosophy is unbelievable. + +1. Sparta is just like Nazi Germany +2. Plato is a Nazi +3. Sophists good +4. Socrates bad +5. Late Greeks are bad because Christian’s use it + + +And that’s just the first few chapters. He truly is Reddit made flesh. +For a long time I thought Reddit was the result of middle class vanity and sensualism. But Russell himself is a well educated aristocrat. I jsut have failed to understand the connection to both. I’ll just have to write it off as midwit 100-110 iq thinking and assume Russell managed after a lifetime of training to make a small dent by copying Frege. +--- 21954931 +Can I get page numbers / quotes for this. I'd love to read those +--- 21954958 +>sparta +it was a literal hellhole, even compared to other antique societies. The reddit perspective is jerking Sparta off, cause of some zack snyder movie. +--- 21954964 +>>21954916 (OP) +>He truly is Reddit made flesh. +I told you so. He's such a cringe cuck that it's not even funny, just pathetic. +--- 21954985 +>>21954916 (OP) +>Sparta is just like Nazi Germany +>2. Plato is a Nazi +>3. Sophists good +>4. Socrates bad +>5. Late Greeks are bad because Christian’s use it +That's actually based +--- 21954994 +Adulthood is realizing that he was right about Nietzsche. +--- 21955000 +>>21954994 +Too true +--- 21955001 +>>21954985 +He meant it in a bad way, though. +--- 21955006 +>>21954994 +>Adulthood is becoming a cuck +Very true, sister. +--- 21955014 +>>21954916 (OP) +>His math is excellent +... +--- 21955038 +>>21954916 (OP) +>>/pol/ +>>/his/ + +faggots, shitting up the board +--- 21955048 +>>21955038 +I agree. There are literal faggots on this board who shit it up. + +You think /pol/ has read Bertrand Russell’s history of philosophy? +--- 21955068 +>>21954916 (OP) +>He truly is Reddit made flesh. + +How much of a garbled fucking zoomer do you have to be to let "reddit" overcode your perceptions and understanding of absolutely everything ....... including a brief overview of philosophy written around 70 years old by a guy who died 50 years a go?????? +What the fuck is wrong with you? + +fucking kill yourself. Cancer +--- 21955084 +>>21955068 +>>21955048 +--- 21955087 +>>21955068 +>muh zoomers +Zoomers don't read and Russell has been called Reddit many times before. A very apt label, to be honest. You became reddit the moment you posted an anti-4chan image and brought up muh numbers. Not how it works. +--- 21955103 +>>21954916 (OP) +bro you deliberately sought out a book on history written for a general audience by a non-historian. + +read Russell's actual philosophical work, or read an actual historian. +--- 21955116 +>>21955006 + +Watch out fellas, a real ubermensch has entered the chat. +--- 21955132 +>>21955116 +What? That's ridiculous and fascist. I am a proud cuckold like my idol B. Russell. My wife has sex with chads while I get to fuck mediocre whales. Yay! +--- 21955140 +>reading anglos +>expecting anything but shit reddit takes +--- 21955174 +>>21955103 +It’s a book on philosophy written by an influential philosopher +--- 21955220 +>>21955068 +He said, posting a basedjak. +--- 21955227 +>>21954958 +No? Read Thucydides. It's pretty clear Sparta is much more moderate than Athens. They preferred non-intervention and were chill. There's a reason they were viewed as liberators from Athenian tyranny. +--- 21955231 +>>21955174 +Bertrand Russel is not an influential philosopher. +--- 21955598 +If he's reddit then why does Hitler quote him all the time in Deus Ex Invisible War? +--- 21955617 +>>21955598 +as a meme +--- 21955649 +>>21954958 +>I project my ignorance and stupidity on others +--- 21955653 +>>21955068 +People read that shit, shut the fuck up +--- 21955815 +>>21954916 (OP) +Neither his math or philosophy are worth anything. Whenever someone says anything positive about Russell I think less of them. +--- 21955823 +>For a long time I thought Reddit was the result of middle class vanity and sensualism. But Russell himself is a well educated aristocrat. I jsut have failed to understand the connection to both. I’ll just have to write it off as midwit 100-110 iq thinking and assume Russell managed after a lifetime of training to make a small dent by copying Frege. +russell is an anglo +--- 21955832 +>>21955231 +yes he is. type theory, russellianism about propositions, quantifier scope distinctions, ramification, the class/set distinction, the knowledge by description v acquaintance distinction, all massive contributions. +--- 21956051 +>>21954916 (OP) +Your opinion seems to be pretty par the course on Russell. His logical analysis is good but he was a really bad choice to try and write a "history of philosophy." + +>>21955068 +>soijak has boldly shit opinion +what a shocker +--- 21956126 +congrats, you have realized anglos cant into philosophy +--- 21956142 +>>21954916 (OP) +>1. Sparta is just like Nazi Germany +>2. Plato is a Nazi +>3. Sophists good +>4. Socrates bad +>5. Late Greeks are bad because Christian’s use it +all true but in a good way fr fr +--- 21956279 +Apparently he was having sex with TS Eliots first wife but Eliot was either oblivious or basically didn’t care and then his wife went crazy soon after. Wrote the poem Mr Appolinax about it. Modernist poetry in a nutshell +--- 21956323 +This is why Karl Jaspers’s “Great Philosophers” multi-volume series will always be superior. It’s not just characterized by smug claims like, “Look how far we’ve gotten beyond these people” but by reverent appraisal of how they still struck at the core of issues we still grapple with today, even while being hundreds to thousands of years removed from us. +--- 21956330 +>>21955832 +>anglo autism +--- 21956426 +>>21955087 +It’s interesting how the psychopathologies of Reddit and 4chan manifest in diametrically opposing ways, as well as how hard it is to quickly define what exactly being “Reddit” is, although we immediately know examples of it when we see it. In the parlance of Kacyznski, Redditors could be called the classically “oversocialized” Internet users, analogous to psychological castration. According to a common critique of the “Reddit” mindset( they smugly view, with a great feeling of superiority, that the exact worldview, values, ethical system, beliefs etc. they had engrained into them by their upbringing, rearing, education, societal and intellectual influences are the exactly correct and massively superior ones, usually views associated with science-worship and denigration of religious beliefs, a utilitarian set of ethics, as well as a leftist political worldview which is set up against “the backwards, bigoted rightwing” as the enemy. + +4chan(nel)’s denigration of outsiders is based precisely on these outsiders being weak, emasculated, and also precisely too “normal” — “normies,” as the epithet goes. They are “söybøys” (eg low testosterone and high estrogen individuals), also “normalfags,” sometimes simply just “Reddit.” Like in Kacyznski’s analysis of oversocialization, a pseudo-Nietzschean they’re held to hate all signs of masculinity, power, and strength in contempt, not necessarily out of a deep underlying well-thought out morality, but from a conditioning to hate anything which smacks of these qualities as belonging to the “oppressor” class. + +The very setup of Reddit also ties into this psychopathology, too: the neatly laid out and defined post- and comment-rankings based on the social consensus of the hivemind (upvotes vs. downvotes, how much we accept and like you vs. how much we don’t) and the curated bias of it (mods quickly locking down threads or removing and banning comment(er)s who partake in “hate speech”, or having sufficiently edgy opinions or wording). It’s the excess of the worst traits of the Apollonian — devoted to order, rationality, sterility, and exactly mathematically displayed counters of how loved or hated a post is. + +4chan(nel) on the other hand, is the reverse. The psychopathology of the 4chan(nel) poster shows up in being what could be called UNDERsocialized or ANTIsocialized. Hence why classic slurs against the 4chan(nel)er are precisely about how they are ABnormal, UNpopular, and fail to fit into society, most strikingly, for instance, such as their lack of capability to have sex, one of the ultimate forms of social status and validation, at least of men by women (“incel”, “chud,” “failure living in their parent’s basement,” etc.). +--- 21956440 +>>21956426 +Reddit is basically faux-niceness and le wacky/zany affectation. It kind of meant something more specific 10 years ago but at this point it has the same ethos as most of Twitter as far as I can tell. + +4chan is just caustic and absurdist +--- 21956487 +Where the Redditor is more prone to being an autist, the 4chan(nel)er is more prone to being “schizo”, or also to being an “autist” but particularly a SOCIOPATHIC one (with abnormally reduced empathy, particularly towards minorities, as opposed to the Reddit psychopathology of weaponized OVERcompassion in the name of designated victim groups needing social justice, which is also channeled by the Redditor into an equal yet opposing force of hatred and bigotry against the themselves-so-dubbed “bigots”). Or, as another perfect example of this diffuse schizo/psychopathic/autist spectrum, this is characterized by the 4chan(nel)er themselves knowing of Kacyznski’s thought in enough detail to even be able to bring up Kacyznski’s theory of “oversocialization” and casually use it in a discussion in the first place. + +The layout of 4chan(nel) itself of course also ties into this strangely perfect dichotomy between itself and Reddit, all the threads are themselves displayed in a grid-like equalized democratic layout, instead of the top-down lists of threads in Reddit which are by default usually set to what the most “popular” threads and comments are being on the top. In 4chan(nel), the threads are simply laid out based on which was most recently MADE or RESPONDED to (“bumped”). There is no “ranking” in a point/score system, no upvotes or downvotes. The closest parallel to it is how many (you)s you get — yet the paradox is, it doesn’t matter if these (you)s are of praise or condemnation, it’s just getting the (you)s themselves that’s the thrill, whether it’s hundreds of posters calling you, OP, a faggot, or you as a commenter a “fucking faggot Redditor.” Even if you get such responses, it just means your bait has been successful and you still get the dopamine rush of all the (you)s. And, of course, the more lax moderation system which conversely allows more contrarian and edgy views to flourish here (Nazism, /pol/), coming from the “bottom-up” (basement-dwellers concertedly trying to spread their ideology as far as possible, even in places where it’s infuriatingly stupid or irrelevant, e.g. a thread about a Jewish writer like Kafka or Proust with responses like, “This writer is only talked about so much because they’re a neurotic kike propped up by the machinations of international Jewry to”), as opposed to the heavier enforced top-down censorship, curation and leftist shilling of Reddit. Hence 4chan(nel) ends up exemplifying the worst excesses of the DIONYSIAN — chaos, irrationality, exuberance, lack of rules and hierarchy, passion and outbursts of emotion precisely in opposition to the sterile “Apollonian” of Reddit, which wants humanity to be science-worshiping neoliberal sterile söy-eating cūcks. + +Reddit is Bertrand Russell, Eliezer Yudkowsky, and Noam Chomsky, 4chan(nel) is Nietzsche, IcyCalm, Stefan Molyneux and BAP. Both of them fucking suck. +--- 21956491 +>>21954916 (OP) +Well, he's basically correct. It is a bit motre complex, but yeah, all the "-isms" that subjugate the individual to the State come from Plato. Aristotle vs. Plato is the Super Bowl of Western Civ. +https://www.bitchute.com/video/R1peXfkRTfKm/ +--- 21956515 +>>21956426 +4chan is contrarian by nature. +Reddit is crow-pleasing by nature. +There, a summary. +--- 21956676 +>>21956330 +didn't mean to trigger your inferiority complex brother +--- 21956682 +>>21954916 (OP) +Anglo “philosophy” and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. +--- 21956737 +>>21954916 (OP) +I don't get you posters. Am I supposed to know the face of every writer in existence? I don't know more than what 5 writers look like. Anyways, who the fuck is this? +--- 21956753 +>>21956737 +>Am I supposed to know the face of every writer in existence +Yes obviously +--- 21956763 +>>21954916 (OP) +>3. Sophists good +>4. Socrates bad +These are actually good takes though. On the whole Russel is pretty insufferable thought. His History of Western Philosophy sounds like he is just bitter over historical figures being more influential or more intelligent than he is. +--- 21956929 +>>21954916 (OP) +>4. Socrates bad +>follow unjust laws +still not taking it, the vaxx that is, not the hemlock either. +--- 21956935 +>>21956763 +Sophists are just lawyers using rhetorical tricks to win court cases and Socrates was aimed at higher truths and honest debate diff --git a/lit/21954952.txt b/lit/21954952.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c0e76f05a8bfac7081354716be1a96a05767c484 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21954952.txt @@ -0,0 +1,42 @@ +----- +--- 21954952 +Best books about the Bronze Age and the time before that? +--- 21954965 +That’s a book for children +--- 21955016 +>>21954965 +then link adult books +--- 21955021 +>>21955016 +Europe Between the Oceans +Barry Cunliff +--- 21955024 +>>21954952 (OP) +This is on the sticky +--- 21955072 +>>21955021 +>>21955024 +Thanks anons this is exactly the type of content I am looking for +--- 21955102 +>>21954952 (OP) +>>>/pol/ +>>>/his/ + +faggots, shitting up the board +--- 21955113 +>>21955072 +Lazy shit, the sticky is there for a reason. Do we need to explain the books to you too? +--- 21955211 +>>21955113 +yes, I don't actually read +--- 21955307 +>>21954952 (OP) +Bronze Age Mindset +--- 21955328 +>>21955307 +Damn I was going to make that joke +--- 21955332 +>>21955113 +I would need a drawing too, is that okay? +--- 21956476 +>>21954952 (OP) diff --git a/lit/21954977.txt b/lit/21954977.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..610acd6fc0ee5f1a0d3c297013b30fceb7e44587 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21954977.txt @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +----- +--- 21954977 +Hello, I want to discuss something strange. +I started listening to audiobooks during my summer cut, I run for ~2 hours a day and walk 2 hours after on average, so that's good 4 hours of my day. And I had no problems comprehending Snowden's permanent record, hobbit, Dan Simmons fiction, Richard Matheson, Harlan Ellison, Peter Watts, storm of steel, turner diaries (lmao) and a few more random books like that. +I had to sit down and read Neuromancer a few times because I couldnt listen to it while I ran, things became complicated, I couldnt keep track of everything, re-listening chapters didnt work either. It must be the prose or the plot or just too much stuff happening once Wintermute replaces Armitage and sends Case into that casino maze. + +I thought it was a fluke but now its happening again with Gene Wolfe. I am also an esl, so that doesnt help. I am looking for some sort of insight or understanding why is this happening, I had to re-listen to a lot of chapters but I always have a feeling I forgot something or like Severian is having a fewer dream and things arent making sense or like I missed something. I discussed books with some people irl, Pynchon's lot 49 for example, and none of them thought I've only listened to it. Similar with some lectures I listened this way, and then discussed with pros in those fields. So I dont think listening instead of reading is the problem. Altho it is definitely easier to focus and follow what's going on when I am reading and even taking notes instead of listening. Its just that my opportunities to read are much scarcer than my opportunities to listen. + +So, what's happening here? Do I just have to filter difficult prose/plot for my cardio? For example I cant just listen to math topics, those I need to practice myself and visualize. I know that interest is incompatible with my runs. But how do I sort out the books? +--- 21955097 +>>21954977 (OP) +oh look, another thread about BOTNS. + +Cannot imagine I could find any other threads about BOTNS on /lit/ right now. Good show, OP. +--- 21955107 +>>21955097 +kek, what does BOTNS means +--- 21955112 +>>21954977 (OP) +Yes, you came to the conclusion that you do have to filter difficult prose for your cardio. +One of the joys of reading is that every sentence can linger as long as you want it to. + +The math problem is a good comparison - your ability to solve even a simple problem goes down drastically if you're juggling on your toes inside a jet engine. +--- 21955131 +>>21954977 (OP) +Gene Wolfe deliberately made it so you have to pay close attention. He wants to make the reader work. +https://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=WolfeWiki.Introduction +--- 21955387 +>>21955107 +book of the new sun, by gene wolfe +i only started reading it, but from what i hear its a really good one +its about a torturer, well drop out torturer, guy gets kicked out of the torture guild and exiled into another city where he becomes the mayor/president/boss of the city +its also set in extremely far future but you can only guess this, its not explicitly said +the book is written as this guy's diary + +this is all chapter 1, so its pretty spoiler free, i find the setting and the characters really interesting, my issue is that its a bit difficult + +>>21955112 +>>21955131 +so, what's the solution other than googling 'audiobooks for retards'? is my tactic to go through my backlog, list everything interesting i'd like to get into and then read the reviews and look into book reputation before reading? this is my current solution but it seems a bit tedious, there has to be less tiresome way to do this +i wonder if dune is a good pick for jogging? + +alternatively im just gonna listen each wolfe chapter 10 times, guy really writes like the whole thing is a distant childhood memory and like important plot elements are masked by how foggy the day was or how polished the armor was on a random guard, takes a lot of attention while im trying to keep up with a hot cardio bunny in thong and leggings running in front of me +--- 21955442 +>>21955387 +You need to listen to simpler books while running, it's as simple as that. +--- 21955460 +>>21955442 +the question is, how do you differentiate between the simpler books and stuff like gravity's rainbow? how do i know before im 5 chapters in? +bester's 'the starts my destination' for example is pretty simple, fun, interesting, immersive after the 1st chapter, funny even, but then suddenly near the end and for no reason, main character completely breaks character and starts monologuing his personal philosophies which are completely opposed to everything he did in the book so far and as all characters cross paths the resolution seemed quite a bit confused.. +turns out its just how the book is written according to a bunch of people who read it (its a cult classic after all) but i hate it that i thought i missed something out because i only listened to it +--- 21955489 +>>21955460 +The book you’re looking for is “The Count of Monte Cristo,” unironically. + +You’re reading books that exist quite late in the “conversation” of literature, and embrace that. Simmons is built off Chaucer and Keats, Wolfe is a grab bag of transcendentalism and early Christian father’s with Joseph Campbell shit. Tiger Tiger is the Count of Monte Cristo in space with a deconstruction at the end. + +You liked the part that was just retelling Monte Cristo and you didn’t like the deconstruction because you’re trying to wedge yourself into a conversation at its mid point. Take the time to do some historical reading (listening). + +I’m not trying to be a ponce, I encountered the same thing. A good translation of Ovid’s Metamorphoses would probably suit running and listening well, and it’s a good starting point. I’d also recommending doing the three big epics of antiquity (Illiad, Odyssey, Aeneid) into Dante. Listening to Homer is actually closer to the authentic experience than reading it btw. + +What’s your first language? For some reason I’m guessing you are an Arabic or Spanish speaker (pretty hedged bets statistically) +--- 21955527 +>>21955489 +im a fucking serb, the most cursed ethnicity outside perhaps some congo tribe, and a testament to God's cruelty +tho i speak a few (real) languages (because nato keeps creating more of them in this region, lmao, think of croatian, bosnian, montenegrin, soon enough kosovo will probably declare its own offbrand pseudotongue) +i purposefully steered clear from the classics and big epics because i automatically sorted them into serious reading to be done when i am sitting down and focusing +i am simply going down to hugo+nebula nominated sci fi from the 50s-90s era and cyberpunk because those feel interesting and fun to me, since i was a kid i though that space and hackers who wear sun glasses indoors were the coolest things out there and now that life beat me up for decades i manage to still think that space and hackers with indoor sunglasses are cool +--- 21955984 +>>21955527 +I visited Belgrade once and was quite taken with it. I feel you’re an entire people who have set themselves contra mundum and there’s something admirable about that. + +I would really recommend giving Homer a try on an audiobook. He was a bard who recited his works - they were only written down later - and although your instinct to leave the classics for serious reading is a good impulse, I think book form actually takes away from the Iliad and Odyssey. I’m not sure how I feel about things that were actually composed for the written page (or codex specifically) like the Aeneid though. You’ll see that there’s a definite evolution of form that comes with being written down. (Not to mention a few centuries of history and a language change) the description of the natural imagery of Haphaestus’ caverns for instance are really incredible and don’t feel like something written millennia ago. Or Anchises and Aeneas escaping from the flames. +--- 21956005 +>>21955527 +And also I share an interest in a lot of the same sci-fi as you, I sped through the sprawl trilogy while I was a shut in in Montreal. +Have you read his bridge trilogy? Idoru is really fucking cool and feels like it presaged all the current mania around v-tubers and vocaloids. +(Speaking of, did you know one of the OG vocaloid producers named himself Dixie Flatline? There’s a weird line between Gibson and just about every facet of today’s pop culture) +--- 21956605 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91gT68xeDMM [Embed] +--- 21956826 +You really don't need to dumb down the books you're listening to, you just need to try harder. Be very diligent about when your mind starts to wander, and frequently rewind when you notice. + +BotNS is a hard book on its own, you really need to keep track of every detail and learn the writer's tricks. It's definitely a book where you read through it in a haze, and then reread it again in slightly less of a haze each time. Don't constantly go back and reread chapters if you feel like you don't get it, just keep going and then reread it in full after. diff --git a/lit/21955007.txt b/lit/21955007.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4ceb49c1de0f3889b5cdb7d60e130be7bc5e6b34 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955007.txt @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ +----- +--- 21955007 +One spring morning timing the lean near-liquid progress of a horse on a track, the dust exploding, the rapid hasping of his hocks, coming up the straight foreshortened and awobble and passing elongate and birdlike with harsh breath and slatted brisket heaving and the muscles sliding and bunching in clocklike flexion under the wet black hide and a gout of foam hung from the long jaw and then gone in a muted hoofclatter, the aging magistrate snapped his thumb from the keep of the stopwatch he held and palmed it into his waistcoat pocket and looking at nothing, nor child nor horse, said anent that simple comparison of rotary motions and in the oratory to which he was prone that they had witnessed a thing against which time would not prevail. + +He meant a thing to be remembered, but the young apostate by the rail at his elbow had already begun to sicken at the slow seeping of life. He could see the shape of the skull through the old man’s flesh. Hear sand in the glass. Lives running out like something foul, night-soil from a cesspipe, a measured dripping in the dark. The clock has run, the horse has run, and which has measured which? + +He moved along the hall toward the dining room. Paint on these old paneled doors crazed and yellowed like old porcelain. Something more than time has passed here. In this banquet hall. Scene of old heraldic feasts. Suttree in silent recognition of the somewhat illustrious dead. Large companies seated. A fat marcassin to adorn the board. The male bonecoupling rearing white and steaming up from the broken meat. Eyes watch. A malediction for those belated on the road and now commence. Mad trenchermen in armed sortees above the platters, the clang of steel, the stained and dripping chops, the eyes sidling. Yard dogs and starving palliards contest the scraps among the straw. There is nothing laid to table save meat and water. There is no sound of human speech. Beyond the muted clamor at the board there is a faint echo of another chase. Far hue and cry and distant horns and hounds in pain with eagerness. The master of the table has looked up. Down murrey fields another hunt has cried the stag. A shield crashes to the floor and three white birds ascend to the rafters and roost uncertainly. The master wipes his fingers in his hair and his rising says that the feast is done. Outside darkness has begun and the hounds’ voices are chimes in the distance that toll seven and cease. They wait for the waterbearer to come but he does not come, and does not come. + +Suttree went out through the kitchen and through the ruined garden to the old road. Reprobate scion of doomed Saxon clans, out of a rainy day dream surmised. Old paint on an old sign said dimly to keep out. Someone must have turned it around because it posted the outer world. He went on anyway. He said that he was only passing through. +--- 21955276 +Yo nigga it's just dis prose at the end or start of sum chapters you feel me mane? +--- 21955359 +>>21955007 (OP) +Is this supposed to be good? RC Waldun can write better than this +--- 21955365 +>>21955359 +Post something then +--- 21956827 +>>21955359 +Pleb retard +--- 21957245 +>>21955359 +>Is this supposed to be good? +No, this is Patrick White. diff --git a/lit/21955008.txt b/lit/21955008.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4328140b18f2be3c93a781aed876da309d24983c --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955008.txt @@ -0,0 +1,54 @@ +----- +--- 21955008 +Or possibly humor..? +--- 21955056 +>>21955008 (OP) +fairly clever I guess. +--- 21955143 +>>21955008 (OP) +>/lit/ - Tumblr Screenshots +--- 21955155 +>humor thread +anon, this is /lit/ +--- 21955203 +>>21955121 +Bro, this obliterated me. I havențt laughed this hard in weeks. +--- 21955238 +>>21955121 +Things that never happened +--- 21955458 +>>21955369 +Lol, you cut out the part with the spitting man, how much of a simp are you LMAO +>OH NO, MY HECKING COMMERINO +Go fuck yourself faggot +--- 21955478 +>>21955458 +I didn't realize there was another part lmao. I thought it would have been funny since I'm familiar with Hegel, thanks to Aristotle. +--- 21956174 +>>21955160 +KEK what is this? +--- 21956199 +>>21956178 +I can never wrap my head around this passage. Was this meant to be a joke? Or some kind of Machiavellian demonstration of the dangers of ambition? +--- 21956240 +>>21956199 +Nigga, he killed himself, he clearly wasn’t too stable. +--- 21956283 +>>21955143 +--- 21956298 +>>21955008 (OP) +--- 21957411 +>>21956011 +>>21956014 +Kek +--- 21957438 +>>21955121 +I still don't get whats SO funny about this post. +Like I get that the claim about cameras was an unintended veiled thread and a supreme display of autism, but it still doesn't raise more than a chuckle in me, opposite of most other anons reactions it seems. +--- 21957770 +>>21957584 +the original is funnier +anon's wife turns his gaming room into shitty wine bar +--- 21957773 +>>21955008 (OP) +>>>/pol/ diff --git a/lit/21955033.txt b/lit/21955033.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..45b57336ba900c8035b6d0e518bc531434ac1ec1 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955033.txt @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +----- +--- 21955033 +This shit is boring +--- 21955043 +>>21955033 (OP) +Probably one of the only literary classics that are fun to read and have an actually engaging plot, how did you find it boring? +--- 21955052 +>>21955043 +There is no meat to it. Nothing to chew on or ponder. Why did this go down a classic and not just another serial adventure book of which there are tens of thousands? It's length? The book is all plot and barely anything else. +--- 21955055 +>Alexander Dumbass +--- 21955066 +It will be if you're still in your American postmodern doorstopper phase. +--- 21955158 +I got so angry at Dantes betrayal I had to put the book down and read something else. +plus my mom said that Mercedes is gonna marry the villain. +That got me so angry (too close to home). I couldnt finish this either +--- 21955167 +>>21955033 (OP) +All those old books are fucking boring, read 20th century literary fiction ONLY +--- 21955169 +>>21955052 +>Nothing to chew on or ponder +The theme of revenge and whether it is worth it? +>The book is all plot and barely anything else. +And that bores you? Would you have preferred more Family Guy style cutaways? +--- 21955233 +>>21955169 +>And that bores you? Would you have preferred more Family Guy style cutaways? +Do you plotfags think plot is the only thing a book can contain? +--- 21955286 +>>21955033 (OP) + +The abridged version is probably more your speed. +--- 21955299 +>>21955033 (OP) +You're right. It's a book for teenagers and Netflix brains +--- 21955315 +Dumas? Yeah you should've done more Frenchie piece of shit. +--- 21955362 +then go read something else +I don't get the issue. Things can be both good and boring. And that's a fair reason to not read it. +--- 21955800 +>getting filtered by the count of Monte Cristo + +Pathetic. +--- 21955826 +>>21955052 +>Nothing to chew on or ponder +Not everything has to have a meaningful message or insane layers of complexity. Its just a well written adventure book that is fun to read. +--- 21955836 +>>21955052 +You don’t have to admit to us that youre retarded. You just have to admit it to yourself. +--- 21955861 +>>21955826 +>it's not that serious bro just have fun +Is there anything more pathetic than the bon vivant mindset? +--- 21955953 +>>21955861 +You just said that to show off a fancy term you know. Anyone who isnt autistic only sees that nothing else. You look silly bro. That sentence didnt even reflect the situation. +--- 21955967 +>>21955953 +And the irony is that the book is full of european elegance, someone like you should appreciate it if you appreciate terms like that. And it is a good term, I actually didnt know it myself until now. But I think you try and be a bit more modest and then would give the book more of the chance it deserves. +--- 21955982 +>>21955033 (OP) +Agreed OP. I Stopped after he escaped the prison. +--- 21955986 +Should I read it abridged? I heard that it was inetntionally padded out since it was a serial post publication and Dumas was paid by the word. +--- 21955992 +>>21955982 +You stopped before the best part. +--- 21956054 +What's wrong man, you didn't think that that one guy eating a bunch of weed and then getting gangbanged by a set of giant mommy milker statues was interesting? +I ended up wishing that it was longer by the end of it. Same with Don Quixote. +--- 21956055 +>>21955167 +Kek youre a gay retard +--- 21956058 +>>21955986 +Nah you should watch a wendigoon video or read the summary +--- 21956066 +>>21956058 +You're joking right? +--- 21956136 +>>21955861 +Yeah, you, lol +--- 21956149 +>>21955986 +Nah you should watch the anime adaptation +--- 21956262 +>>21956066 +Yes obviously, what he really should do is watch an essay about bipoc and lgbtqia+ folx representation in the novel +--- 21956362 +>>21955033 (OP) +Maybe reading isnt for you +--- 21956382 +>>21955033 (OP) +Better be reading the abridged I warned you fools +--- 21956539 +>>21955033 (OP) +Monte Cristo is a book you give to younger teenagers to get them into literature. It’s not really complex or anything but it engages younger minds diff --git a/lit/21955079.txt b/lit/21955079.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b6dc26d7c2c4676745f177c3c94212fba7122cee --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955079.txt @@ -0,0 +1,26 @@ +----- +--- 21955079 +which one is better? his novels or his comics +--- 21955090 +>>21955079 (OP) +His comics obviously but he's no longer in his artistic prime. +--- 21955093 +>>21955079 (OP) +swamp thing fuckin rocks but i would never read novels by a comic writer. even with the extremely minimal amount of prose and dialogue moore has to write there's still some really clunky lines in his comics, enough that it's a consistent pattern. no way his books are any good +--- 21955099 +>>21955093 +>no way his books are any good +Voice of the Fire, his literary debut, is good. No clue about Jerusalem but I've heard mixed opinions. +--- 21955137 +>>21955079 (OP) +His schizo interviews. +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Constantine#In_real_life +--- 21956096 +>>21955093 +how can you make such a call? are you even a visual artist? can you draw? if you can't, do not speak about such a medium as the humble comic +--- 21956105 +I want to light his stupid beard on fire. +--- 21957789 +>>21956096 +>can you draw? +no but i don't see how that's relevant since alan moore doesn't draw his comics diff --git a/lit/21955246.txt b/lit/21955246.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..3c8ca108a5ea92d3e117a0117c374b965a5732e1 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955246.txt @@ -0,0 +1,32 @@ +----- +--- 21955246 +does lit know about 'pataphysics? + +why are you not using the 'pataphysics calender +--- 21955251 +>>21955246 (OP) +Littards only know about fagaphysics, sorry. +--- 21955257 +Ubu stole my calendar and now I don't know where I am +--- 21955265 +>>21955246 (OP) +Pataphysics is entry-level babby’s experimental lit +--- 21955601 +>>21955246 (OP) +i really don't get it, i'm not sure what the point is to learn all the fucking bullshit they keep saying +--- 21955616 +stop posting /cliffcore/ books +>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FuBbJ-1PGc [Embed] +--- 21956092 +>>21955257 +I think we're in Sweden. Sweden or Liechtenstein. One of the two. +--- 21956100 +>>21955616 +>Title card spells it wrong +Jfc +--- 21956106 +>>21955616 +Jarry literally has been on most lit charts since before you were born and long before Cliff Hackgent started his grift, you e-celeb worshipping faggot +--- 21956303 +>>21955246 (OP) +It's like postmodernism bullshit with more autism diff --git a/lit/21955260.txt b/lit/21955260.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5c90257e245259e842447d689a21f37dcfda8dae --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955260.txt @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +----- +--- 21955260 +Anyone else been told throughout Middle School, High School, and College that you have a strong talent for writing, whether it be in regular english classes or creative writing classes, but then you left and never pursued it again? + +Writing has always been something I've enjoyed doing and have been told my many different people in different stages of my life that I was good at. Instead of pursuing it, I finished my degree in a field I now hate and work a job that gives me so much anxiety I don't eat. I should have listened to those people trying to support me. I'm still young, and I can still make the change. + +I think I will. +--- 21955481 +You've been told by professional conformity enforcers that you have a real knack for conforming. +Don't get me wrong, pursue your ambitions. But understand that you've been praised for being exactly in the meaty center of the standard distribution. +--- 21955572 +>>21955481 +How is creative writing conforming? +--- 21955576 +>>21955260 (OP) +>aspiring writer +Learn to make good coffee, you’ll be a Starbucks barista. +--- 21955587 +>>21955572 +You're right. There's not an entire international market of creative writers pushing out entertainment media slop or anything. +--- 21955610 +>>21955260 (OP) +Yes. You are literally me. +>>21955481 +How can prose style be conforming? I'm a lifelong stemfag, and when I handed my university application letter to an English teacher at my high school (I didn't even study English after 16) to double-check for mistakes, he, at first, refused to believe I had written it myself because of how good it was. +--- 21955650 +Igor? +--- 21955656 +>>21955610 +>my writing adhered so closely to the template my teacher held for quality writing that it shocked him +>how can you say i am conforming? +You people are so fucking tiring +--- 21955673 +>>21955656 +If you can't write well within some set confines what makes you think you can write well without them? You are just making excuses for being a brainlet. +--- 21955696 +If you conform, you will be popular. +--- 21955703 +>>21955587 +You're right. And if I'm halfway decent at it I should be able to find work within the field if I work at the craft. At least then I know I'll be better than the average schlock writer who writes shit. +--- 21955710 +>>21955673 +No anon, you are a fucking brainlet because you are failing to read what I actually wrote. You are projecting childish ideas that conformity = bad onto what I actually said. Your inability to even think this basic conversation through does not bode well for your literary future. +--- 21955718 +>>21955703 +>At least then I know I'll be better than the average schlock writer who writes shit. +All of those shlock writers arrived at their career from the same beginnings as you. The people who were truly never any good in the first place are the ones you've never even seen on a bookstore shelf. +Point is you shouldn't be seeking the appraisal of conformity teachers or trying to appeal to the average. +--- 21955721 +>>21955710 +Well that was just one example of a reference. I've posted on /wg/ before and they said it was good, for whatever it's worth. Anyway, I want to write even if it's dogshit. I don't intend on making a career out of it, even though that would be amazing. +--- 21955722 +>>21955718 +Did someone beat you as a child? Do you enjoy living a life of pessimism? +--- 21955733 +>>21955721 +>I've posted on /wg/ before and they said it was good, for whatever it's worth +Post here so we can tell you it's bad. +--- 21955742 +>>21955733 +Here's a poem I wrote: + +Roses are red +Violets are blue +Anon is a fag +And OP is too +--- 21956549 +No. I went to a public high school and a state flagship, where I immediately struggled. Nobody gave a fuck what I did. +--- 21956673 +>>21955260 (OP) +What is Igor up to nowadays? +--- 21957006 +>>21955610 +>English teacher at my high school +KEK for fuck's sake anon +--- 21957011 +>>21955703 +>and if I'm halfway decent at it +Most likely you aren't diff --git a/lit/21955264.txt b/lit/21955264.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a841f79ae6a9fb34db115b94d63df1b12deafe01 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955264.txt @@ -0,0 +1,54 @@ +----- +--- 21955264 +Femcell here, should I read picrel. Is it good for learning about female psychology/character or is it jewish larp. +--- 21955266 +>>21955264 (OP) +>Femcell +ywnbaw +--- 21955270 +>>21955264 (OP) +It's a book so evil Weininger had to kill himself to pay off the debt. It was a pact with the devil. +--- 21955363 +>>21955264 (OP) +I don't think modern women would like his views but you aren't a woman anyway +--- 21955366 +>>21955363 +That's not why the book is evil. +--- 21957024 +>>21955366 +I'll bite. Why is the book evil? +--- 21957096 +>>21955270 +It was very remarkable he wrote it so young +--- 21957276 +>>21957024 +NTA but it’s ‘evil’ in the sense that it attacks all sentimental attachment. Schiller is about the closest thing to what Weininger would call a ‘genius Jew’ tho Schiller wasn’t Jewish. To Weininger, he had a lot of Jewishness in him. To quote from Schiller’s On The Aesthetic Education of Man +>Drive away caprice, frivolity, and coarseness from their pleasures, and you will banish them imperceptibly from their acts, and at length from their feelings +Basically if you’re ‘insensitive’ (Schiller’s savage) you will feel overwhelmed by Weininger’s dense onslaught, unable to counter his claims without revealing your need for personal tyranny, to your own principals and those around you for the sake of your feelings +If you’re ‘sensitive’ (Schiller’s barbarian) you will feel that Weininger is draining away the spark and meaningfulness of your vain day dreams that you can’t act on because it violates your principals +This is evil because it’s ‘inhuman’, it cuts you off from all natural development and drive, but Weininger saw that impulse as a need that is alien to individuality, and ultimately comes back to reap its revenge through death. Because you needed development, and sought it from another, you sacrificed the love that God made you for, so you fear the old woman, so you fear death and in doing so loose true immortality. +Weininger was initially in the empiro-positivist’ school under Avenarius, and a biologist, until he was struck by Kantian mysticism halfway through college. It was then that he went on this mission to plug all holes of idealism, cover all defenses that he saw as glaring IE “you’re an idealist because you want THIS, and it was THIS that Weininger sought to cut off any logical importance from. Attack it so densely, as to shrivel it’s shadow over all idealism forever, with exceedingly Kantian vanity. +Weininger’s writing is incredibly modern, it reads like a shitpost, and no one living can stand before it. No one can accuse him of anything, or claim that he didn’t reap the highest reward. No one can tear him down to their base level, because he obliterates all angles, every hole in the ship plugged, and then his took wings, because it felt it didn’t even need the water to stay afloat anymore +Also his suicide is completely disconnected from his work. He goes into great detail about how all men of greatness are only seen from their work, like animontronics at a carnival offering nuts to the passive audiences. Seeing geniuses from the prospective of their work, which is not even 5% of what they truly held in themselves pooped onto a page, is the infantile core at the crowd of gawkers +He lived 2-3 different lives that no one else knew about. He was most likely a political spy and there’s even been hints that he sired a family who’s all died during the Holocaust. He killed himself because he suffered from intense physical irritation and the beer wasn’t working anymore +--- 21957292 +why would a femcel need a book to understand female psychology? unless..... +--- 21957298 +>>21957276 +Wine as wine is not desired +But wine that’s good +So life only as life is worthless +Let it be despised +If you’re a ‘femcel’ you probably just want men to be more responsible in a classical sense and genuinely ‘nicer’, or more respectable and stronger. You want them to protect you from negation, and you hate them because you see that’s what they drink on. And they don’t care about being absolutely nothing, so you want have a want of something. Is Weininger’s work going to help someone like that? It will probably terrify you to your very bones. You are alone +--- 21957329 +>>21957298 +Talk more about what he says about the founder of religions. You pick up Weininger for the gender stuff, you stay for his theory on genius and religion. +--- 21957465 +It’s anti-sex if you’re into that. Women and women (male) should not read it in general since they will overreact to it. Why put yourself through that? +--- 21957537 +>>21957465 +It’s not anti-sex it’s anti sexuality. He describes sex as the need to forget everything that’s bad and infuse everything that’s perfect into a new life out of desperation. Sexuality is bad because it attempts to add substance or reality to something that’s inherently demanding and even when successful usually seeks to control the life of another (child) +>>21957329 +The father is self loving, philanthropic, emanating +The son is self hating, misanthropic, felt the need to be born +There is the riddle diff --git a/lit/21955284.txt b/lit/21955284.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..091d0c16f3703a315774d8035651fe488b9a07be --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955284.txt @@ -0,0 +1,64 @@ +----- +--- 21955284 +Can you give an example of polyphony besides Dostoevsky? +--- 21955316 +"The Sound and the Fury" by Faulkner? +--- 21955339 +>>21955284 (OP) +Gravity’s Rainbow +Infinite Jest +Ulysses +--- 21955373 +House Of Leaves +--- 21955414 +JR by William Gaddis + +btw Bakhtin is great +--- 21955421 +>>21955284 (OP) +Woolf does it masterfully in Mrs Dalloway. +It's honestly everywhere in good literature, almost to the point of it being a trivially necessary feature. +--- 21955448 +>>21955284 (OP) +Roberto Bolaño +Julio Cortázar +--- 21955530 +unironically Moore's Watchmen + +>>21955421 +According to Bakhtin it is absent from drama (including even Shakespeare) and epic poetry. +--- 21957182 +>>21955316 +was gonna say Faulkner is the one who comes to mind...confusing as fuck sometimes though. +--- 21957209 +>>21955284 (OP) +literally any author who isn't shit +--- 21957215 +>>21955284 (OP) +Cervantes +--- 21957293 +>>21955284 (OP) +The Passenger by McCarthy. As opposed to Stella Maris, which uses the same base but is a monologic/socratic novel. +--- 21957348 +>>21955284 (OP) +This really isn't that far from the aesthetics of drama. IIRC Bakhtin even used the word 'dramatic' to describe Dostoevsky's plot construction. But of course artistically it's still very different from drama and this difference is instrumental to the existential colouring added from Dostoevsky, which firmly places it at the end of the 19th century and not the beginning of the 17th. Needless to say the differences between Dostoevsky and Shakespeare don't need to be ennumerated. + +>At anyrate we believe we shall really expedite the solution of an extremely difficult problem, if we define the Shakespearian Drama as a fixed mimetic improvisation of the highest poetic worth. For this explains at once each wondrous accidental in the bearing and discourse of characters alive to but one purpose, to be at this moment all that they are meant to seem to us to be, and to whom accordingly no word can come that lies outside this conjured nature; so that it would be positively laughable to us, upon closer consideration, if one of these figures were suddenly to pose as poet. This last is silent, and remains for us a riddle, such as Shakespeare. But his work is the only veritable Drama; and what that implies, as work of Art, is shewn by our rating its author the profoundest poet of all time.— +--- 21957442 +>>21955316 +>>21957182 +I don't think that's quite what the word is referring to. In Dostoevsky, particularly Demons, the narrator is a character in the novel interacting with the people, but is also privy to otherwise private thoughts and conversations and the way Dostoevsky seemlessly slips in and out of the first-person narrator to a basically omniscient one is wonderful. +--- 21957466 +>>21957442 + +wonderful is a pretty gay adjective unless you're talking about God/Christ +--- 21957471 +>>21955284 (OP) +>Bakhtinian bullshit +The Golden Ass +--- 21957577 +Baron Wenckheim's Homecoming +does this loads, sometimes mid paragraph, with learnable signals for particular characters. +--- 21957583 +>>21957348 +yeah it's a very arbitrary term to me, most dramas and lengthy novels can be described in this way diff --git a/lit/21955381.txt b/lit/21955381.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..41d2418307e63454144654fc318c70024ec2cd0b --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955381.txt @@ -0,0 +1,38 @@ +----- +--- 21955381 +Ever since I've started taking metaphysics seriously, I've felt a sense of contentment that I don't remember feeling ever before, it is not a sense of happiness encountered by perusing one's childhood memories, but rather is built off of the premise that you've happened upon something that is only ordained by fate itself, as if your life could've only led you here. +I'd like to leave you with a few lines of Maulana Jalal al-din Rumi's here; I realize they're not in Farsi, but I'm merely learning as of now. + +"The answer to our needs is meeting you, +All faults you fix before we ask you to, +Translating what we keep inside our souls, +Stretching your hand to lift those trapped in holes." +--- 21955389 +I felt like that when I discovered Evola and Guenon at 25 but nothing really changed in my life after that so it went away. +--- 21955418 +Thats what metaphysics is basically , thinking designed to be make you feel good, because its thinking contenplating thinking itself. It doesn't say anything about the world as the world "in itself". Metaphysics is basically poetry for analytical minds. +--- 21955440 +>>21955381 (OP) +>>21955418 +trying to identify that which is truly necessary for and essential to thought and representation and understanding is the highest calling of thinking beings! Partaking in such imbues the most mundane drudgery of continued existence, and the active maintenance of the human condition against forces of evil, with a greater significance, as now a means towards the preservation of the ultimate end, which is an expression of our acquaintance with the eternal. + +What people fail to recognize is that you need to learn a lot of quantified modal logic to participate in this cleansing of the spirit. + +https://jeremy-goodman.com/CounterfactualsAndPropositionalContingentism.pdf +--- 21955454 +>>21955381 (OP) +Metaphysics is a very broad term, covering a lot of ideas, theories, and traditions. Which ones do you feel closest to? +--- 21955503 +>>21955454 +I'd honestly say that studying Aristotelian metaphysics, as well as Ibn-Sina's interpretations of them, has been thoroughly enjoyable for me, particularly in relation to how they deal with being qua being, and the subsequent comprehension of reality as an emanation from this metaphysical base. +I've also started getting into Urdu and Farsi poetry, and that has compounded my experience with what I've stated above, as in, how all reality emanates from God. + +What is interesting about the Urdu tradition of poetry, is that a majority of it comprises of the praising of love itself; but whether your beloved is God, or another being like yourself is intentionally left ambiguous, the subtext teeters on the edge between worship of your lover or of God, but further research has let me to believe that it surely cannot just be one or the other. It is the highest Good one can do to see God in your lover, at the risk of falling into idolatry, but then again, the greatest Sufi saints have all been driven by such supposed heresy. +It's fantastic stuff. +--- 21955671 +>>21955503 +That's interesting. One can of course say that it's escapism, but isn't all culture escapism? + +As for me, I find the approach of process philosophy (not Whiteheadian, but something in the vein of Heraclitus/Lao Tzu/Buddhist idea of anicca) somehow comforting. But, to each his own. +--- 21956590 +The closer to the core the greater the syncord, and the more frequent the synchronicity, until, finally, all concurs in one consonant presence, transcurring unitarily in the chronicless present. diff --git a/lit/21955419.txt b/lit/21955419.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4f638c66aae1d5c803db851752ccbfafad223aba --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955419.txt @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +----- +--- 21955419 +Besides world-class literature and Harry Potter, do you guys read newspapers or magazines? I subscribe to the NYT and I found an amazing cover story. It's like reading a short nonfiction book. +--- 21955436 +>>21955419 (OP) +Litfags get their news from /pol/, as this allows them to believe that it’s not just their lives that are going to shit, but the entire world. +--- 21955441 +>far right +He’s moderate conservative and actively pro-leftwing on many issues. That’s why far left and progressives watched him. + +No, OP. I gave up on MSM as it is largely a tool of the Pentagon +--- 21955462 +>>21955441 +This. Even just reading OP's front page there's an insane level of spin on full display. +--- 21955465 +>>21955419 (OP) +Newspaper reading is a vice. It makes you shallow and prevents thought. +--- 21955485 +general/unspecified news is for unironic 80 iq cattle +no, i dont read dailies about how burn-loot-murder (blm) protests are mostly peaceful, or how some schlomo shekelstein and silver goldburg think open borders are great while israeli borders are patrolled by literal death squads + +because im actively investing, i read publications in areas of interest, stuff with math equations and predictive power in it instead of retard gossip +if your stuff doesnt have mathematics in it, its fucking gossip +aerospace, semiconductors, heavy industry, arms, construction companies, ship building, heavy and precise machining, even extractive shit like metals and minerals use math + +pop news like pop sci doesnt have any math in it, its fucking gossip, made by mentally crippled retards for mentally crippled retards +--- 21955488 +>>21955419 (OP) +I only read headlines and dumb Twitter takes. The rest of my reading time is reserved for world-class literature and Harry Potter. +--- 21955490 +You should study the NYT op-ed section…It is the best thing in fiction the Americans have ever done. +--- 21955494 +>>21955419 (OP) +I read the NYT too. I have it delivered every day. +--- 21955496 +>>21955485 +Based STEM turboautist. Saw you in the Philosophy degree thread too. +--- 21955497 +>>21955462 +I reckon the date and the little weather bit are okay. Like that old video where the historian analyses the shot from gladiator and removes everything anachronistic +--- 21955534 +>>21955496 +yeah its me +im a bit worried i need to tone down my turboautism but i cant escape the feeling that mathless stuff really is just pseud gossip wordgames where people who cant do math convince each other they are oh so totally smart too, not crippled, just differently smart +i swear to god man, cripples became 'differently abled', these philosophy academics who cant do calc homework will be calling themselves 'differently smart' in a few years +--- 21955554 +>>21955534 +--- 21955562 +I sometimes read The New Yorker , but thats about it. I prefer the blue pill , so to speak , when it comes to MSM. +--- 21955589 +>>21955562 +What mean?? +--- 21955655 +>>21955589 +I prefer to remain “ignorant” about what happens in the world and in the country where i live. Me knowing about a murder somewhere, or some war in a god forsaken place is not going to change a thing, but only going to make me feel bad. I don’t even bother voting anymore. +--- 21955743 +>>21955534 +What's your enlightened take on business majors? +--- 21955792 +>>21955743 +they are professional middle men, and the first rule of business is to cut out a middle man +there is a reason fortune 500 (500 most profitable companies) are basically all led by engineering backgrounds +'businessman' is another welfare job, a 'job' for women, minorities and nepotism hires +babysitting excel files, gossipping in the office, drinking coffee, spouting buzzwords, calculating supply and demand, this garbage is highschool math at best and we already have algorithms that are better at business than any business major, and all these algorithms were made by physicists and mathematicians, naturally + +if you want to take your business to the next level, win a darpa contract, beat the market, improve manufacturing process, its all basically going to come down to your engineering pr research&development department +--- 21955810 +I subscribe to True West Magazine. A lot of tidbits of Old West history that you literally can't find anywhere else +--- 21955851 +>>21955810 +this is an oxymoron, like those permanently online 'primitivists' and eco fascists +what you need to do is join the french foreign legion regiment that specializes in mountain warfare, or join your own military if your country has one, because no one outside zogbots has to trap rabbits or find freshwater sources for real, its all a larp +--- 21955892 +>>21955534 +There are useful things in the world which don't require math; not enough to justify the existence of 90% of humanities majors and academics, but society needs more than just raw production to function and convince people not to kill each other. The problem with (modern) philosophy isn't that they aren't doing math per se, but that their entire field is built around it being non-quantitative (and sometimes flat-out un-empirical) otherwise it would just be a science, and there isn't really very many useful non-scientific ways to advance humanity anymore. They're smart in the sense that they can comprehend advanced concepts which most people would never be able to get; it just usually doesn't contribute much more than being an intellectual fart. I would wager that most of the intelligent ones would be able to into advanced mathematics if they were interested in doing so, and vice-versa. + +Also on the other end of the spectrum you have retards trying to inject math into the humanities, which just becomes an exercise in manipulating numbers until it shows what they want to see, or quantifying stuff which absolutely does not need to be quantified (I had a professor who said he once met a woman who researched the number of lashes received by gay sailors in the British navy, in order to quantify the country's homophobia over time. No idea how true that story is, since he was very conservative and prone to enhancing his anecdotes, but there's plenty of that retarded shit going around because some non-STEM people have a religious reverence for math). + +And for the record I'm a math major. I just find the subject less interesting than other stuff and am smart enough to get A's without investing serious time into it. +--- 21956712 +>>21955419 (OP) +I write for a newspaper, but I don’t read them. +--- 21956729 +are none of your faggots subscribed to literary journals or mags kek +imagine reading newspapers. you are all so retarded +--- 21956890 +>>21955490 +No kidding. That combined with the fact that practically all news coming out these days is how things are getting shittier makes the paper hardly worth reading. +--- 21956901 +>>21956729 +>literary journals + +If I ever have the urge to read about fat mixed race retard authors and their “stories” I’ll just go to the library and borrow a copy of Granta or Paris Review or something, but they’re not going to get my money. +--- 21956908 +>>21955441 +i cant even watch hollywood movies at this point +--- 21957657 +FT, Foreign Affairs, The New Statesman. a few Substacks. +And i still sometimes read the TLS, NYRB , The New Left Review and so on. I used to read the New Yorker but i dont like any of the new blood, and it got quite combative and unpleasant during the Trump years. + +For the most part i keep track of a few writers i like and follow them wherever they go.The only thing Twitter is good for, though it also means getting front row tickets for seeing people you like loose their minds. +Simon Schama, Anne Applebaum, Paul Berman: watching them loose all sense of proportion and willingly turn to screeching propaganda as some sort corrective for the other side has been educational. +Seems writers who consciously see themselves as public intellectuals are helpless but to mirror the stupidity of public opinion. + +I do like alt publishing for just how odd and insular it is. +--- 21957692 +>>21956729 +Every time I glance at a literary journal I find Black Lives Matter trash and LGBTQ bullshit front and center. A lot of publications I once respected I now wouldnt want anywhere near my library. diff --git a/lit/21955475.txt b/lit/21955475.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f89a845bf3c8047d27033ce4b51f62518d8d6879 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955475.txt @@ -0,0 +1,28 @@ +----- +--- 21955538 +>1 pbtid +--- 21955548 +What an odd title for an empty thread. +--- 21956132 +>>21955475 (OP) +Guilty of what though? +--- 21956484 +>>21956132 +He did it. +--- 21956489 +>>21956132 +Existing +--- 21956490 +>>21956484 +Proof? +--- 21956500 +>>21956132 +Being a jew +--- 21957746 +>>21956500 +I kneel +--- 21957775 +they killed him like a dog +--- 21957788 +>>21956132 +Sexual harassment, obviously. diff --git a/lit/21955536.txt b/lit/21955536.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..077a4084a8ffc8bbe17fc3757d99545736c695d1 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955536.txt @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +----- +--- 21955536 +Just concluded it. Truly the purest and shittiest form of autism. Was it geniusly stupid or simply retarded? +--- 21955540 +>>21955536 (OP) +it's schizokino +--- 21956807 +>>21955536 (OP) +Simply retarded. We were starting to get too based between the wars so when the commies changed hats they feared we might get back at it so they keep pushing this shit. Same with Romanian new wave cinema, it's ridiculous how no one here likes it but it gets so many awards abroad that normies start feeling like they need to readjust. Just social engineering in the making, move along. +--- 21956813 +>>21955536 (OP) +Uhhhh oh don’t let r/truelit users here see this thread +--- 21956822 +>>21956813 +The PR team is already seething at the thread +--- 21956823 +>>21956807 +> Just social engineering in the making, move along. +Or foreigner readers and critics have better taste than you. +--- 21956829 +>>21956822 +meds +--- 21956841 +>>21956823 +Or they are shills trying to manufacture another reputation +>>21956829 +Lmao. Look they responded, dear >>21956813 +--- 21956851 +>>21956841 +Yup, looks like they need to send Fat by Fat and WASTE mailing list some talking points to spam so their e-celeb worshipping fans stay brainwashed +--- 21957035 +>>21956851 +This guy is an absolute manchild shill. Does someone else hate the fact that Gaddis, Schmidt, Boges etc., aka the good writers, because they don't have large dedicated fanbases are always at the mercy of pynchon shills whenever and wherever they are being discussed? So much carpetbagging for literary clout by arguably the most midwit cult in literature (they want to call it a fanbase as if Banana man has been relevant since the 70s). +--- 21957105 +>>21956851 +>>21957035 +meds +--- 21957118 +i liked it so far (200 pages in). schizophrenia is cool. +--- 21957121 +>Lmao. Look they responded, dear +--- 21957131 +>geniusly stupid +--- 21957149 +>>21957121 +>"don't make fun of my favorite employer" +--- 21957150 +>>21957121 +Nice selfie, James +--- 21957193 +The true psyop is convincing spergs that everything ever is a psyop. + +Reading it now. Pretty good so far. Not much more I can say beyond that. +--- 21957207 +WASTE manchild tried Murnane's Inland and there hasn't been a single post about him since. Needless to say he got filtered. He sucks at analyzing actual art. No wonder his taste is almost unanimously geared towards 70s postmodern bullshit about le fascism, le sex and le alternative history of christianity and psychoanalysis. +--- 21957216 +Half of these retarded posts have nothing to do with the book OP posted +--- 21957218 +>>21957207 +>murnanefags coming out of the woodwork at the mere mention of Solenoid +OBSESSED +--- 21957247 +>>21957216 +I sure do love coming here, seeing something like this, finding out that it's a keystone to some proxy argument about political bullshit, watch everyone argue by insinuation, and then leaving. +See you tomorrow. +--- 21957338 +>>21957216 +Welcome to lit. +--- 21957702 +>>21957338 +I'll be your guide. diff --git a/lit/21955557.txt b/lit/21955557.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..19b1af7c82e3548cc44252ebe04cc3bbfa8a426e --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955557.txt @@ -0,0 +1,55 @@ +----- +--- 21955557 +Go to your favorite Shakespeare play, go to Act 2, scene 3, go to the line corresponding to the day of the month you were born in. +This is the title of your breakthrough novel. +--- 21955588 +>>21955557 (OP) +There is no scene 3 in the second act kek. I guess that's a message in of itself +--- 21955596 +>>21955557 (OP) +Liking Shakespeare in 2023 is like someone in 2100 regarding fifty shapes of grey as classic literature. +--- 21955599 +>>21955557 (OP) +This is reminiscent of the Homeric oracles. +--- 21955624 +>no scene 3 +>i have no novels +checks out +--- 21956350 +Cassio. She's a most exquisite lady. +--- 21956366 +>That ever penury in contempt of man +Not bad desu. Can work with this +>Contempt of Man +--- 21956394 +>>21955596 +>everything popular is of exactly the same quality +--- 21956421 +>>21955596 +is there any tripfag who isn't retarded? you faggots seemed to be in completion +--- 21956424 +>>21956421 +competition* +--- 21957049 +>>21955557 (OP) +There’s no Act 2 Scene 3 in Hamlet… You should have chosen Scene 1 from one of the acts because all of his plays whatever else definitely have 5 acts. +--- 21957070 +>swam, ere I could recover the shore, five-and-thirty +Recover the Shore +--- 21957117 +All is done. Now A Song! + + +All's Done But The Singing +--- 21957120 +>>21957049 +yeah, let's change this, i had to pick my eighth favorite just to find an applicable play. +act 4 scene 1 then +--- 21957136 +Lest Occasion Call Us +--- 21957148 +>>21955557 (OP) +Othello +"Where are they?" + +What? diff --git a/lit/21955560.txt b/lit/21955560.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1ffe3435cb742a4193f2e1027e546593bcef142e --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955560.txt @@ -0,0 +1,25 @@ +----- +--- 21955560 +If you wanted to do an independent study on a novel related specifically to the philosophical aspects, like Hegel, Heidegger, Derrida, Wittgenstein, or Nietzsche type stuff, which would you choose? +--- 21955568 +>>21955560 (OP) +I’m want to do a fictional biography of pythagoras +--- 21955766 +>>21955560 (OP) +This is your homework, Larry. +You pick the philosopher and apply it to a book you know well. +--- 21955772 +>>21955560 (OP) +Oh, OP wants a novel with deep philosophical themes. How very edgy. Maybe try "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" by Nietzsche or "Nausea" by Sartre. Might make you feel smarter, eh? But good luck actually grasping any of it. Don't strain your brain too much. +--- 21955817 +>>21955560 (OP) +Nietzsche to inspire the poltards into doing something +--- 21955841 +>>21955817 +But he isn’t antisemitic +--- 21955845 +>>21955560 (OP) +You should probably stop and think and realize that being able to list a bunch of names of people you think are cool doesn't qualify you to do an independent study on a novel +--- 21955962 +>>21955841 +Yet they love his cock anyways. By portraying the jews as the most worthy adversary, you can be motivated, rather than dismiss them as beneath you diff --git a/lit/21955604.txt b/lit/21955604.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b5dcdcf96b2046cddc8bc91c93788f80d26ffcb9 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955604.txt @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +----- +--- 21955604 +Is suffering necessary to understand philosophy and the nature of mankind and the world? +--- 21955607 +>>21955604 (OP) +>AAAAAAA a tranny is holding a beer +>I’m going INSANE +--- 21955618 +Its necessary to intuit some basic reality from pure horseshit. Helps innoculate one from utopic thinking, for example. +--- 21955640 +>>21955604 (OP) +This is a fun juxtaposition. +One is suffering and seeing the horrors of the world with everything he knew getting destroyed and the other is a delusional twink getting showered in praise, money and fame because he put on a mini skirt and heels. +--- 21955665 +>>21955604 (OP) +isn't suffering inevitable? +--- 21956165 +>>21955665 +No. + +Closing thread now tho. +--- 21956842 +>they're STILL seething about some random trooner holding a brewski +--- 21957110 +>>21955604 (OP) +>“It was suffering and incapacity that created all afterworlds - this, and that brief madness of bliss which is experienced only by those who suffer deeply. +Weariness that wants to reach the ultimate with one leap, with one fatal leap, a poor ignorant weariness that does not want to want any more: this created all gods and afterworlds.” +-Fred Nietzche +--- 21957112 +>>21956165 +Holy cope +--- 21957132 +>>21955618 +It can also make one completely fucking batshit, intellectually inept, or outright malicious. +You need it like you need a pinch of salt. +--- 21957162 +I live in a rural area and not single person i know gives a shit about the tranny beer shit +You have to be terminally online to care about this shit +--- 21957196 +>>21955607 +Yes. +--- 21957203 +Whats this post about? Yes. If that tranny suffered instead of being dick riden for being a fag it would +--- 21957221 +>>21957203 +>Whats this post about? +Action groups in the East. +--- 21957268 +I truly wish the best for you trans folks but god damn no one making Mulvaney that visible can be sympathetic to your cause +--- 21957284 +>>21955604 (OP) +not /lit/ + +>>>/his/ +>>>/pol/ +--- 21957621 +>>21955604 (OP) +BY AZURA! BY AZURA! BY AZURA! IT'S THE GRAND CHAMPION! +--- 21957679 +>>21955604 (OP) +>Suffering is LE GOOD because of Reason X + +https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GpmAZnGo2Gc +https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3xYuJcjbWZQ +https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1NwCXFlhJz0 diff --git a/lit/21955676.txt b/lit/21955676.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8d57edfe2a7d1ee4e4bc20425eb195e77c54b17c --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955676.txt @@ -0,0 +1,133 @@ +----- +--- 21955676 +What differentiates bad and good book covers? +--- 21955682 +>>21955676 (OP) +If a cover has more than 1 color then the book is goyslop dogshit. +--- 21955727 +5 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 1 +--- 21955740 +>>21955676 (OP) +The red letters are a good font and placement. Though I would have put the author name below it, or lowered the picture to fit it above, in a different font. Why initials? +Also the picture adds these funky burning pages. Why? Horrible. All of them. This isn’t lit related though. We have an art board for this +--- 21955853 +>>21955682 +Just like your mother +--- 21956231 +I will self-publish my book soon and I need some advice on covers. Below I'll post a couple of different covers for the same book(s) and you tell me which are the best and why, pretending that you just heard of this specific book when glossing over it in the bookstore +--- 21956233 +>>21956231 +--- 21956236 +>>21956233 +--- 21956241 +>>21956236 +--- 21956246 +>>21956241 +and the classic +--- 21956284 +>>21955676 (OP) +bad covers +>lazily photo bashed stock images +>author name takes up 1/3 or more of the cover +>attempts to recreate a scene from the story +>uses a calligraphy font +--- 21956289 +good cover art +>thematic +>original art +>art is the main focus, not the title or author name +--- 21956296 +>>21956231 +Your book is dogshite +--- 21956299 +good covers often have a gilded inlay +--- 21956329 +personally I really hate that old 70s/80s style fantasy illustration +--- 21956340 +First two +>>21956233 +first two +--- 21956347 +Like a telescope poorly superimposed over a green colored lake. Eagle talons holding a sniper rifle with semi transparent american flag backdrop. A house with a huge spider crawling on it +--- 21956351 +A huge light beaming out of a mansion with a disembodied magnifying glass trying to look inside and maybe like a nervous dude face in the sky +--- 21956360 +Chess piece toppled over and the board has like a soviet insignia so you know it's a cold war drama +--- 21956372 +I don't read self-published books solely because of how goofy and schmaltzy their covers usually look. If I can't trust your sense of subtlety and tastefulness in something as direct as a cover how can I trust you to translate it decently into prose? +--- 21956380 +>>21956372 +Very pretentious arent we anon +--- 21956393 +>>21956284 +that's like 80% of book covers, especially from smaller authors + +seriously, just pay up an artist to get you a good cover. if your cover is typical YA/Romance garbage it won't be sold or noted by people even if it's the best written book of the decade +--- 21956404 +>>21956380 +He's right though. A really bad cover indicates no aesthetic standards or taste. +--- 21956408 +>>21956380 +Is it pretentious when like 80% of self-published books are images like this with edgy wordart pasted on top? +--- 21956429 +>>21955676 (OP) +a good cover tells prospective readers at a glance what to expect from the book. that "dont judge a book by its cover" crap is nonsense from people who are coping and don't get it. if it is a horny bodiceripper i should know at a glance, if it is redblood laserbeam sci-fi, i should be able to tell with one look. if it's historical it had best have some old grecian bust on it or the clocktower of london. + +ironically self published books have the best covers of all--amateurish, perfectly demonstrating the amateurish content inside. +--- 21956449 +>>21956231 +I'd say full professional art is ALWAYS preferable but with the caveat that it's actually good art. E.g. something more like the stuff in this >>21956236 +blown up across the whole cover and less this >>21956241 even it is full-blown art. + +I'm still an even bigger fan of Josh Kirby than I am of Terry Pratchett due to his early covers and Frank Frazetta has probably sold more fantasy books than most of the authors he was commissioned for. +The cost of having abstract covers look good (leather spine, gold paper embossing) is beyond most self-publishers as well. Probably why Tolkien's original covers didn't use the dark style shown here >>21956231 but was in fact done with different background colors. +--- 21956619 +>>21955676 (OP) +Vague or subtle does it for me usually no characters in the cover. +--- 21956728 +>>21956236 +I like this style, though the third book doesn't have the series name in the same font as the other two. +Art is fairly well done and evocative, script surrounding the pictures draws the eye into the center and adds mystique, font is simple yet has a sense of antiquity and adventure, setting the tone for the contents. The rest of the cover is unadorned. Each book is in a different base color easily distinguishing them from each other yet clearly a part of a greater series. +--- 21956767 +>>21955676 (OP) +Are there more examples of multiple books reusing the exact same stock photo for their cover? I'm fascinated now. +--- 21956792 +>>21956767 +Nevermind, I just found a treasure trove +https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/13369.Same_Cover_Different_Book_?page=1 +--- 21956846 +I wonder if AI art will put an end to this trend +--- 21956860 +why do artists/publishers struggle at covers so badly? why do they opt for the worst possible generic stock looking images instead of commissioning a semi-decent artist for 50 bucks for something custom made? the author could even pay for it out of pocket since most of them probably have day jobs +--- 21956893 +>>21956860 +shitty books deserve shitty covers +--- 21956915 +good covers have no images, just title and author +--- 21957007 +>>21956792 +kek i appreciate the autism that went into compiling this +--- 21957075 +>>21956860 +>why does a risk-adverse industry trying to maximize profit churn out cheap, derivative products approved by a marketing team who only cares about "proven track records?" +It's a mystery. +--- 21957091 +>>21956860 +publishers usually have the most say in covers. Authors have very little input. +--- 21957318 +>>21956846 +Kent and Lorna are the clear winners here. + +>>21955676 (OP) +This one started off with a shit picture so it's a bit difficult to judge. Also each of the examples has a different issue so they all end up looking bad in one way or another. +--- 21957450 +>>21956231 +Distinct and recognizable, but otherwise very inoffensive, probably the safest route +>>21956233 +Actually really good looking, but doesn't fit a fantasy novel at all +>>21956236 +Artstyle is kino, but I would've preferred if the pictures weren't so small, if you got something good why hide it? +>>21956241 +Good, but the worst out of the collection, the image isn't nearly vibrant enough to warrant it taking up the whole cover and (although that's personal) I don't like the artstyle at all +>>21956246 +Only slightly better than the one before, classic arch frame lends itself beautifully to small pictures, but it's also a bit bland and very obviously the uninspired safe options, really dislike the colors on this one too diff --git a/lit/21955716.txt b/lit/21955716.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..40212a948b2b5633dba78ce3e064c4a19138591d --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955716.txt @@ -0,0 +1,14 @@ +----- +--- 21955716 +I feel like virtually everyone on Earwa is damned to go to hell and suffer for eternity but a few virtuous souls can achieve salvation but what does it mean? The afterlife is ruled by a hundred gods who are more akin to demons and who sustain themselves on souls; they are also shards or aspects of the one god who split himself into pieces. So when you die who pases the judgement? And if youre a good boy what kind of fate awaits you? +--- 21955724 +>>21955716 (OP) +It’s all just bullshit mental masturbation. It’s vaguely written on purpose, to make the minds of confused rejects like you spin around in circles. +--- 21955749 +>>21955724 +You sound mean :( +--- 21955824 +Was about to start reading this. Does anyone recommend doing so whilest naked or at least masturbating? +--- 21955966 +>>21955724 +This, Bakker is a Hack and rape fetishists. diff --git a/lit/21955744.txt b/lit/21955744.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..84cc8de9c9465b7e369dea8a7fddbeec6ea44653 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955744.txt @@ -0,0 +1,50 @@ +----- +--- 21955744 +I get learning how to write well and all that but once you wrote something how can you make the jump to actually getting published somewhere? Advice is welcome especially if your work has been published before. +--- 21955752 +>>21955744 (OP) +Another anon mentioned it in WG but we probably need a Writing Business General (open to suggestions for other names) to discuss questions like yours. +--- 21955769 +>>21955744 (OP) +Just self-publish, for fuck's sake, enough of these lame-ass threads. +--- 21955776 +>>21955769 +self publishing is for homosexuals +--- 21955778 +>>21955744 (OP) +Think you're special, huh? Write some garbage, spam agents, or self-publish for that sweet, sweet 0 sales. Have fun being a starving "artist." LMAO +--- 21955779 +Why didn't you just ask google this question ffs +Traditionally you get a literary agent who has connections with publishing houses, they look at your work and evaluate it and then you do rounds of shopping your manuscript out to publishing houses. If you can't get a literary agent to bite or can't get a publisher you revise and do it again until you do. +It is an ungodly gatekeeping and time tax and the result is usually that you will get physically published in tiny quantities that nobody buys, but you won't be out the costs of sourcing the printing, advertising, etc. +You can do self publishing as well where you just slap your shit on Amazon for anybody to look at but that's a lark as well. +--- 21955783 +>>21955776 +You need to be a homosexual at minimum these days to even have your manuscript looked at all publishing houses +--- 21955803 +>>21955778 +Im not starving and writing is just a hobby to me but Im definitely not going to self publish because it would make me look ridiculous in front of my rich new yorker yuppie friends. +--- 21955812 +>>21955779 +thanks anon your answer just saved me 2 minutes of googling +--- 21956216 +>>21955744 (OP) +Figure out your audience first +--- 21956324 +Be good enough +--- 21956327 +>>21955783 +kek +--- 21956334 +>>21955744 (OP) +You are the wrong gender and skin colour: + +https://www.cbc.ca/books/5-canadian-emerging-writers-named-writers-trust-2023-rising-stars-1.6816183 +--- 21956396 +>>21956334 +>want to get published +>don't want my face posted all over the fucking internet as a marketing gimmick because i have legitimate abusers i would like to ghost +why can't modernites respect people's desires for privacy? +--- 21956403 +>>21956396 +In an age where you can look up a pornstar and find 100+ videos of their buttholes gaped open, you think anyone respects privacy in 2023? Get fucked. diff --git a/lit/21955830.txt b/lit/21955830.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..23cedf96069be5398ae37f18db1b4a77cbf7214d --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955830.txt @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +----- +--- 21955830 +Plays/theatre = not literature +Operas/libretti = not literature +Films/screenplays = not literature + +If it can't be fully experienced in the written medium, it's not literature. If it only uses the written medium as mere blueprints, it's not literature. Literature is an end in itself, not a means to an end. "Are you crazy?? That means [insert famous playwright/librettist/screenwriter] is not literature!" Yes, and? Fuck you. +--- 21955835 +>>21955830 (OP) +Retard. +--- 21955842 +>>21955835 +>t. theater kid +--- 21955852 +>>21955830 (OP) +The Turner Diaries = literature +--- 21955965 +>what is a closet drama? +Your forgot ballet and oral traditions. +--- 21956554 +bump +--- 21956570 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91gT68xeDMM [Embed] diff --git a/lit/21955856.txt b/lit/21955856.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..2fd428dd1ca8480f7affb6de70be290bda963c86 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955856.txt @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +----- +--- 21955856 +did goodreads kill the moby-dick /lit/ version off the site? +--- 21956104 +>>21955856 (OP) +No, it's just one of the thousands of editions of *the* Moby-Dick (that's how it should be, but it's pretty unfindable). I find searching "Moby-dick anonymous" (on GR) does the trick. +https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58604484-moby-dick-or-the-whale +--- 21956652 +>>21955856 (OP) +What is special about this particular edition? +--- 21956742 +>>21956652 +It's the best thing /lit/ has ever done, and will ever do. +--- 21956743 +>>21956652 +It says nigger in the first footnote or something +--- 21956755 +>>21956652 +I wrote the commentary on 'The Doubloon" and you're not gonna get that in some faggy penguin publishing edition +--- 21956761 +>>21955856 (OP) +Heard the guy who organized this worked on &amp back in the day, this is a genuine relic of /lit/ history +--- 21956764 +Where can I get this +--- 21957195 +>>21956764 +This. Need a copy, I never bought it last time I saw the link +--- 21957212 +>>21955856 (OP) +can someone post an image of one of the annotations? +--- 21957322 +>>21956764 +>>21957195 +>>21957212 + +https://www.lulu.com/shop/herman-melville-and-anonymous/moby-dick/paperback/product-7wgny7.html?page=1&pageSize=4 + +https://www.lulu.com/shop/herman-melville-and-anonymous/moby-dick/ebook/product-6kg874.html?page=1&pageSize=4 +--- 21957343 +>>21957322 +holy shit I have to get this +--- 21957350 +>>21957322 +Could someone please make a hardcover copy of Hypersphere? Thanks in advance. +--- 21957351 +>>21956755 +Thank you for your service fren +--- 21957403 +>>21956652 +Boys just boing boys +--- 21957473 +>>21957322 +Any PDFs or ePUBs for e-reader fags? +--- 21957481 +>>21956755 +Based, i wrote the Christmas chapter and blood medrian parody +--- 21957491 +>>21957473 +^ +--- 21957500 +I wish we were given more time on it. I was still working on some chapters. Felt like it was only 50% complete +--- 21957514 +>>21957491 +I'm having trouble with lulu checkout, can someone upload/link to the file? +--- 21957582 +>>21957514 +http://libgen.li/ads.php?md5=5cdb93a5bcd9d93b3db2a5a2e396156a +--- 21957620 +kek diff --git a/lit/21955882.txt b/lit/21955882.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1346f2968604564eeea5ff2b0b21ef350901b57b --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955882.txt @@ -0,0 +1,129 @@ +----- +--- 21955882 +>I’m in awe of this man’s clarity of mind at 94 years old +--- 21955889 +>>21955882 (OP) +>Uuuuuuh.....hmmmm.........yeahhhhh... *poops diapers* +--- 21955894 +>>21955882 (OP) +>vo……te……bi……..den +--- 21955913 +>>21955889 +Diapers are fun to poop in, you should try it some time. +--- 21955921 +>>21955882 (OP) +Is that a gnome? +--- 21955922 +>>21955921 +no, it's a jew. +--- 21955935 +>>21955921 +can i pet the gnome anon? +--- 21955954 +>>21955882 (OP) +Fairly coherent in previous years, he went nuts on the Covid issue. And lesser of two evilism while evil controls everything just gets you more evil + +>>21955922 +>missing the obvious line this bad +You have an affliction worse than his. +--- 21956512 +>>21955882 (OP) +>we... need... to... starve... everyone... who... refuses... their... government... mandated... vaccin... ations +--- 21956519 +>>21955954 +He's a massively platformed/pushed Jewish "public intellectual" anon. He's a mouthpiece for powerful interests. Luckily his life his over and he has nothing to show for himself and will be dead soon. +--- 21956577 +>>21955882 (OP) +>Chomsky calling for forcing the unvaccinated to be homeless and starve to death +>Zizek calling multipolarity "a trap" and for the US to rule the world +Is there any leftist intellectual who hasn't completely degraded themselves over the past few years for good boy regime points? +--- 21956606 +>>21955882 (OP) +Death is bad enough, why must we also deteriorate like this? Couldn't humans just shut down peacefully instead of becoming weaker and weaker and demented and shitting ourselves? +--- 21956938 +>>21956606 +He should go to canada and get euthanized (just like Bosnians were euthanized by the Serbs he dedicated years of his life to simping for) and die with dignity +--- 21956944 +>>21956938 +Way too good for him +--- 21956975 +>>21955882 (OP) +He died tomorrow, anon, I'm sorry, I'm from the future and so I know these things. +--- 21956979 +He was never COHEreNt +--- 21957002 +chomsky is a pathetic eichmann who can look forward to eternities of barbed penises eyeing his astral anus for all time +--- 21957014 +>>21957002 +k.y.s +--- 21957033 +>>21956606 +healthy people aren't like this even at 90 years old +--- 21957072 +>>21956577 +>multipolarity "a trap" and for the US to rule the world +This is the position which anyone who knows anything about international politics (and cares about people's well-being more than some narrow ideological or nationalistic interest) holds. Hegemony of one powerful democratic country is as peaceful as the world will ever get without a world government; multipolarity means power politics, proxy wars, and a genuine risk of nuclear annihilation. NATO going crusading in Libya is significantly less harmful to the world than, for instance, China and the US going to war over Taiwan. + +Of course at this point it might just be wishful thinking, but that's another matter. +--- 21957092 +>>21956512 +--- 21957097 +>>21957072 +Isn’t that just idealism? I know a fair about international relations. +--- 21957098 +I don't know if he still does but dude used to answer like ALL his emails. I used to ask him dumb philosophy shit and would get replies within like 10 minutes lol +--- 21957107 +>>21956577 +almost like all leftism is really about fealty to ZOG +--- 21957128 +>>21957072 +You are absolutely correct. Hegemonic stability theory is still yet to be properly challenged +>>21957097 +The theory that posits that a hegemon is necessary or at least conducive to stability is called the hegemonic stability theory. The people who defend it - not only as a good interpretation of reality but as justification of the role of the U.S. - are usually realists, like Robert Gilpin. +In any case, even if you don't agree with the role of the U.S. as hegemon, there's a very compelling argument on why hegemonic stability is real and how it's true that the decline of the hegemon brings power politics and all of that back to the table. I just happen to think that this struggle is quite good. +--- 21957146 +>>21957097 +>Isn’t that just idealism? +No. Idealism would be a leftist saying that the US is an evil empire spreading capitalist oppression and that the workers of the world should unite to defeat it, even if it risks nuclear war. Certain idealists (i.e. Neocons) absolutely would agree with this position, but that's more incidental than anything else. You can't really attribute this argument to a single paradigm (although realists were definitely the first to articulate it), since those are constructed from describing how states act and how they ought to act, rather than what is best for the world in general—which is pretty much a solved question with the answer being some sort of benevolent world sovereign or Kantian peace. Realists and liberals might disagree with how best to secure US hegemony, but they both view it as desirable (unless they're Chinese or Iranian). +--- 21957228 +>>21956519 +Just goes to show that the anarchists are right. +Never turn even their own intellectuals into gurus. +--- 21957248 +>>21957072 +This relies on the end of all individual cultures and to somehow also have enough resources and labor to soread around the whole lot. There will always be conflict because groups want to look after their own interests first, there will always be proxy wars. What's the fucking point of a world with no war if there' nothing meaningful left woeth fighting for? +--- 21957289 +>>21955882 (OP) +not /lit/ + +>>>/his/ +>>>/pol/ +--- 21957320 +>>21955882 (OP) +>mmhm the neocons would never change side +--- 21957324 +>>21957128 +>Hegemonic stability theory is still yet to be properly challenged +People are safest in prisons (even American prisons..) and there is less common "crime" under autocratic regimes than in relatively free countries. We don't want stable oppression, we want freedom. +--- 21957433 +>>21956577 +Chomsky is purely US bad. +At least zizek has some nuance and thinks things through +--- 21957452 +>>21955889 +thatll be you in due time or you'll be dead, either or +--- 21957560 +>>21955882 (OP) +>be leftist +>be contrarian +>be jewish +there you can simulate his perspective in your own head now, preserving his essence for eternity +--- 21957563 +>>21956512 +--- 21957572 +>>21957014 +chug creampie cucklord +--- 21957827 +>>21957248 +>all individual cultures +Those are very overrated. There's one culture, the Western one, and countless regional varieties of food and folk dance. diff --git a/lit/21955883.txt b/lit/21955883.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e96da93deb921dd7e5272dd472976c2212e0116e --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955883.txt @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +----- +--- 21955883 +What are your favorite short stories? +and i mean short short, like a few pages 2000 words ish +--- 21955897 +The Priest of Shiga Temple and His Love is the most disturbing short story I've ever read +--- 21955905 +The Proclamation - Franz Kafka +Enough - Samuel Beckett +Ghosts - Robert Walser +--- 21955912 +>>21955905 +where is that? +--- 21955926 +>>21955883 (OP) +>i mean short short, + +It's called "Flash Fiction," and it's a recognized category. + +To me, they read more like poems or prose than stories. They tend to be little slice-of-life narratives. +--- 21955958 +>>21955905 +i like the Walser one. very cute/quaint. ill check out the others later +>>21955926 +ah okay i have heard that term before actually. +im just trying to get ideas as i need to write something of that length myself, and the very low word count restriction is new to me +--- 21955975 +>>21955912 +Looks Frank Lloyd Wrightish +--- 21955989 +>>21955975 +It's his son, Lloyd Wright, who designed it, iirc. Can't remember where. +--- 21956000 +>>21955883 (OP) +The garden of forking paths and The secret miracle - Borges +Doubled and The Insignia - Ribeyro +Fingal - Beckett + +The Ribeyro ones are the shortest of the bunch. All are under 15 pages though. +--- 21956345 +>>21955883 (OP) +Anything by sherwood anderson +--- 21956357 +God knows but waits, The transparent apple and the silver saucer, the coat, Aska and the wolf, Lottery ticket. +--- 21956486 +>>21955989 +Hollywood. +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel-Novarro_House +--- 21956499 +>>21955883 (OP) +This is good: +https://flashfictionmagazine.com/blog/2020/10/27/morning-in-shinoyama-park/ +--- 21956552 +>>21956499 +>Falling down drunk in the street. It’s a cliché, isn’t it? But that’s what S. did two nights ago, out near the station’s west exit, soon after our departure from Yokohama’s oldest and finest English pub, one of the only two places nearby where I can get a pint of Kilkenny on tap. It wasn’t the first time, you see, and I find such situations humiliating. So I’m still angry, and I’m not speaking to her. + +>S. is doubtless not in a conversational mood anyway, as she nurses the lingering effects of a hangover destined to last the weekend. She’s asleep on the sofa bed. Not because I’ve banished her there. We sleep in separate rooms, usually, because she snores. + +>Out the windows it begins to turn from black to grey, an overcast dawn. I’m up early, as I tend to be these days whether I wish it or not. I decide to take a walk in the park. +--- 21956858 +Soldier's Home by Hemingway. Wish I'd knew why it speaks to me the way it does. Might just (fuck around and) find out one day. +--- 21956863 +Gottfried Benn's short stories are kino. +--- 21956886 +>>21955883 (OP) +Kaleidoscope by Ray Bradbury +Hills like White Elephants by Ernest Hemingway +The Last Question by Issac Asimov +--- 21957133 +The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas +Ursula K. LeGuin +--- 21957751 +Styopa +Roosya +Tanya +Henry +Natalya +The Riverside inn +The Oak Trees (funny ending) +Ash Wednesday +--- 21957808 +https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/books/a500/incarnations-burned-children-david-foster-wallace-0900/ diff --git a/lit/21955978.txt b/lit/21955978.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..33d8c7602f00b875a88a6380b3fcb0fab91df564 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955978.txt @@ -0,0 +1,70 @@ +----- +--- 21955978 +what are some books with femcels protagonist? +--- 21955985 +if i were a woman, my diary desu +--- 21955998 +>>21955978 (OP) +What's this woman's deal? +--- 21956010 +Eggplant +--- 21956021 +My year of rest and relaxation +--- 21956026 +>>21955985 +what's stopping you? +--- 21956030 +>>21956021 +she had sex except her bf would not or could not cum inside her because he was a degenerate porn addict +--- 21956036 +>>21956026 +Brazilian whores +--- 21956039 +>>21955978 (OP) +Convenience Store Woman +--- 21956042 +>>21956030 +Yeah I'm still including it under the same rubric I'd include books where men had unfulfilling times with prostitutes. +--- 21956068 +>>21956036 +You can still fuck brazilian whores as a woman +--- 21956074 +>>21956010 +Based Eggchad +--- 21956088 +The lonely passion Judith something + +A ugly virgin lonely women story + +Skylark + +Ugly virgin woman discover that she's ugly and not that likeable +--- 21956110 +>>21956036 +Me too. Baseado comedor de putas. +--- 21956127 +>>21956068 +Women cannot fuck. They're fucked. Unless their clit is abnormally enlarged. +--- 21956250 +>>21956127 +A trans woman can have a penis. Have you not seen brazilian trans whores? +--- 21956399 +>>21956250 +Trans women are men +--- 21956657 +>>21956110 +>>21956036 + +Boa noite, anões. +--- 21957159 +>>21955978 (OP) +Who's this? I'm sure I could've saved her. +--- 21957372 +>>21957159 +The roastie who stole Pelosi's laptop on Jan. 6 +--- 21957486 +>>21956127 +that is some 1st grade ass thinking retard +--- 21957741 +>>21957159 +Groypette diff --git a/lit/21955987.txt b/lit/21955987.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..61813c69cf51792f3dac59cb5296c1c36fc715b5 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21955987.txt @@ -0,0 +1,36 @@ +----- +--- 21955987 +I am fond of this line from Deathly Hallows +"Ron's legs were longest so he reached the top of the hill first." +It's so simply yet so clear and deceptively deep. Really puts the universe into order also. +I genuinely love it. No way an editor didn't leave it in for good reason +--- 21956006 +>Ron stretched the hillside's legs into a 4 dimensional smear of relation and being such that the top of the hill occupied the keystone of the Race arch upon which he sat +Rowling always had a subtle mind +--- 21956022 +>>21955987 (OP) +"He was glad she had that, at least; he was grateful that she could drink." +It's so simple but it made me sit in silence for like a minute. +--- 21956099 +>>21955987 (OP) +Slaughterhouse five: +“God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage tochange the things I can, and wisdom always to tell the difference.” + +I felt this phrase had more impact in spanish, I can't explain why. +--- 21957552 +>>21955987 (OP) +The end of great gatsby +--- 21957565 +>>21957552 +same, that last page on its own is of greater quality than the rest of the novel combined +--- 21957575 +>>21956099 +Sounds like the bible +--- 21957608 +>>21955987 (OP) +>He was violating the second rule of the two rules for getting on well with people that speak Spanish; give the men tobacco and leave the women alone; and he realized, very suddenly, that he did not care. +Can't describe the reason, I guess I thought it entertaining. +--- 21957616 +“Something to remember, that: cats for missiles.” + +-Steerpike from Titus Groan diff --git a/lit/21956004.txt b/lit/21956004.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..198e9df3c640a27d0641b7cc10b2c64323bd039c --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956004.txt @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +----- +--- 21956004 +First book that brought tears to my eyes from laughing. This modern-day katana-wielding neckbeard is hilarious. Poor Sancho dealing with all his shit. + +Every chapter they just get the shit kicked out of them haha. Currently on Ch. 19 + +>the windmills kek +--- 21956278 +>>21956004 (OP) +Hes just too based for the world +--- 21956425 +It is a very funny book. One of the funniest things in life to me are silly people that take themselves too seriously or people that are ridiculous without realizing it. Kind of like Patrick Bateman in the American psycho movie, or Max from the movie Rushmore. +--- 21956441 +>>21956425 +>tries to fuck his teacher then immediately goes to asian pussy +Max was too based for this planet +--- 21956447 +>>21956004 (OP) +I agree bigly but I've only gotten to the funeral scene with the herders. Marcela was a surprisingly fascinating turn. I loved when our guy constantly interrupts people with corrections even though his ear is half cut off. +I love this book so far. But I'm reading the Rutherford translation. I found Grossman to be a bit bland. +--- 21956456 +>learning spanish +>feel alright and can hold a basic polite conversation +>read a single page of this +>don't understand shit +parces, se acabo... +--- 21956507 +>>21956456 +Is it just because the language is different because of how long ago it was written? +--- 21956509 +>>21956507 +The language is really different, although the book is way too complex for my level I think. +--- 21956510 +>Sancho Panza says proverb +>Don Quixote chastises Panza for saying too many proverbs +>Rinse and repeat for the entire novel + +Yeah this is really funny +--- 21956563 +ive quite enjoyed it so far and there isnt really any specific part i can say i really didn't like, but I have to admit im getting a little burned out at this point. im about 650 pages in out of like 950, just finished the puppet show and the following couple chapters. its fun book that i will reflect fondly on, but at the same time, I will be happy to be able to move on and read something else. + +I think what I should have done was stop at the end of part 1 and read some novellas and short stories that ive been eager to get at, then come back for part 2, instead of trying to take it all at once. oh well +--- 21956567 +>First sally +>Second sally +>Part II +>the final half pf Part I +I kind of lost interest with the story-within-a-story and the side characters take over. +--- 21956579 +>>21956509 +Supposedly Cervantes is more accessible to modern Spanish readers than Shakespeare is to modern English readers. +>>21956563 +Its a slog, and it's meant to be heard, so try to get an audiobook to help you complete it. Most people listened to it when it came out. +--- 21956588 +>>21956567 +i really enjoyed the way the side charachters stories all came together in part 1, and quite enjoyed the backstory of the the escaped captive that was loosely based on cervanteses time in the war with the ottomans and his capture, but I will admit the "The Man Who was Recklessly Curious" novella was a little bit much +--- 21956958 +>>21956004 (OP) +Don Quixote book club coming to /lit/ very soon. Get your copy soon. +--- 21957068 +>>21956510 +But he gets the proverbs wrong, get it? Get it? +--- 21957093 +>>21956588 +>loosely based on cervanteses time in the war with the ottomans and his capture +I didn't know that. +>The Man Who was Recklessly Curious +that was a nice little story, but I felt like it went on for far too long, and I just wanted to get back to Don Quixote's wacky adventure. But that's just me. +>>21956958 +what's the best translation? +--- 21957101 +>>21957093 +>best translation? +I enjoy Rutherford the most, which one did you read? +--- 21957102 +>>21957093 +The one in the OP +--- 21957108 +>>21957102 +>>21957101 +I read whatever one Penguin Classics used. +--- 21957111 +>>21956004 (OP) +I wanna read it but it's so long, I'm a short novel kinda guy +--- 21957115 +>>21957108 +>Penguin Classics used. +This is the Rutherford translation, good work. +--- 21957134 +>>21957093 +tobias smollett's +--- 21957153 +>>21957134 +B8 +--- 21957213 +>>21956004 (OP) +I've only read the first book, Grossman translation. I chuckked a few times but not find it as funny as others have. I'm going to reread with Rutherford's translation abd see if I can connect better with that. +--- 21957332 +>>21956507 +The book has some archaisms, but any decent reader from Spanish-speaking background can understand it. Spanish hasn't changed that much from the 1600s, and the main differences are from grammar rules that the new editions have corrected, so it's not that bad. However, for a person learning the language, it can be tiresome, because it has a very "decorated" prose +>t. Spanish speaker diff --git a/lit/21956008.txt b/lit/21956008.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..88ce7b2d6386ffd1ee996ad4d31875e33261cfc8 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956008.txt @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +----- +--- 21956008 +ITT: overrated shit +--- 21956024 +>>21956008 (OP) +pic rel +--- 21956817 +>>21956008 (OP) +Kill yourself +--- 21956819 +>>21956008 (OP) +I agree. A youtube said it was racist and evil so I shant be reading itn +--- 21956847 +>>21956008 (OP) +Fight me. (I haven't actually read it, I'm just looking for a fight.) +--- 21956850 +>>21956024 +Don't think anyone knows these books to rate it in the first place. +--- 21956894 +>>21956008 (OP) +no u +>>21956850 +how are you posting on lit without knowing murakami +--- 21956902 +>>21956008 (OP) +Oscar Wilde +--- 21956913 +>>21956894 +>how are you posting on /lit/ without knowing murakami +Because I've never heard of these nipslop? Is knowing nipslop required to discuss any other work of literature? +--- 21956930 +>>21956913 +because if you’ve lurked for more than a day you’d know he’s one of the most widely discussed authors on this board +--- 21956937 +>>21956913 +do /pol/tards just come up with retarded buzzwords every day? they're like trannies and meme genders. +--- 21956940 +>>21956008 (OP) +The Road > No Country for Old Men > Outer Dark > Blood Meridian + +Haven't done any others yet, but really do need to hop on it. Been busy with Dickens. +--- 21956967 +>>21956008 (OP) +>overrated shit +welcome to /lit/ +--- 21957233 +>>21956008 (OP) +Outer Dark is the same theme but better executed. PMW. +--- 21957515 +>>21956008 (OP) +>overrated +how? it's one of america's greatest stories +--- 21957524 +>>21957515 +>meaningless edgy violence and nihilism +is this really the best america has to offer? +--- 21957541 +>>21957233 +It isn't the same theme at all. They're connected in a vague way if you're retarded. +--- 21957550 +>>21957541 +You're really badly underread in philosophy and theology aren't you? +--- 21957555 +>>21957524 +Retard +--- 21957562 +>>21957524 +>>meaningless edgy violence and nihilism +>is this really the best america has to offer? +>>21957555 + +YES. YES IT IS. AND IT IS GLORIOUS. THE ABSOLUTE ANGST OF MODERNITY IN A SOCIETY DEVOID OF CULTURE. THE ATTEMPT TO REESTABLISH SACRED RITUAL THROUGH MASS MURDER AS SACRIFICE FAILED. THIS IS TRULY THE BASIS OF THE POSSIBILITY OF HIGH ART. + +THANK YOU FOR THE MINDLESS VIOLENCE. + +Actually read MacMac. Then the Golden Bough, then White Goddess. Then take some mushrooms and watch Mahabharata +--- 21957567 +nice toes tho +--- 21957852 +>>21956913 +Brainlet diff --git a/lit/21956019.txt b/lit/21956019.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a09601cf75d900616b9f22bdb30b74538d9db02b --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956019.txt @@ -0,0 +1,25 @@ +----- +--- 21956019 +Worth reading? +--- 21956727 +>>21956019 (OP) +It’s fun and interesting but really old. It makes broad claims that I am sure don’t reflect a current understanding of Ancient Mediterranean religions. If you read it you should go read more modern books as well to get a balanced perspective. +--- 21956821 +Great book +--- 21956831 +>>21956019 (OP) +maybe +--- 21956912 +>>21956019 (OP) +if read the west would be saved. +--- 21957580 +The scholarship may be just a bit out of date, but it's the kind of argumentative book that makes you look at something differently. + +Absolutely worth it, just make sure it's not the only thing you read. +--- 21957637 +>>21957580 +>>21956727 +what would be some good companion literature? +--- 21957706 +>>21956019 (OP) +Taught me that Roman slaves got baptized into a gens--they became gentiles. Along comes a religion to make them Jews the same way... diff --git a/lit/21956035.txt b/lit/21956035.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..470e2e868547d2f06b2e9f833e36fadf6b529ca8 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956035.txt @@ -0,0 +1,116 @@ +----- +--- 21956035 +>Nazis are... le bad +Really powerful stuff, Dick +--- 21956050 +>>21956035 (OP) +>Nazis are... le bad +Eh, they were. Unless you have some edgy /pol/ views. +--- 21956064 +>>21956050 +>only credible opposition to ZOG in the 20th century +>bad +--- 21956069 +>>21956064 +back to your board, 13-year old /pol/tard +--- 21956072 +>>21956050 +>le water is wet +--- 21956077 +>>21956069 +haven't browsed /pol/ since 2012 +--- 21956079 +>>21956069 +Imagine living in such a mental straitjacket that you cant even mentally assess any positions deemed le mean and bad and forbidden +--- 21956089 +>>21956079 +>mentally asses them to be bad +>N-N-NO THAT DOESNT COUNT YOU HAVE TO LIKE NAZIS TO BE A FREE THINKER LIKE ME +*yawns* +--- 21956093 +>>21956089 +>>THAT DOESNT COUNT YOU HAVE TO LIKE NAZIS TO BE A FREE THINKER LIKE ME +yes +--- 21956095 +PKD was a genuine fascist, bud... +--- 21956108 +>>21956095 +He was a radical individualist by his own words, retard. Just because he made based noises about beating niggers doesn't mean he was a collectivist or authoritarian. +--- 21956120 +>>21956108 +>uh maybe white people shouldn't be ruled by jews and replaced by muslims +>WTF YOU'RE A COLLECTIVIST +--- 21956145 +Any book that's premise is the Axis conquering the United States is going to be a bad book from the onset. +--- 21956147 +>>21956120 +muslims can be white. there is no contradiction. +--- 21956150 +>>21956147 +jews can be white too, chud +--- 21956171 +>>21956035 (OP) +If the nazis are so great, why didn't they kill 6 million jews? +--- 21956173 +>>21956150 +no, judaism is an ethno-religion. islam and christianity aren't. +--- 21956179 +>>21956050 +>>21956064 +>>21956069 +>>21956072 +>>21956077 +>>21956079 +>>21956089 +>>21956093 +>>21956095 +>>21956108 +>>21956120 +>>21956145 +>>21956147 +>>21956150 +>>21956171 +>>21956173 +>board is completely flooded with /pol/heads who don't read +>think if i want to talk about a book I need some political bait to keep bumped +>every single post is clearly by a person who didn't read the book +Maybe I laid it on too thick +--- 21956184 +>>21956179 +Maybe you should know about the author before you create a retarded thread, bud +--- 21956188 +>>21956179 +>who don't read +i read the turner diaries and i read twitter every day +--- 21956190 +>>21956171 +edgy +--- 21956202 +>>21956035 (OP) +Go back and read the fucking book +--- 21956230 +>>21956035 (OP) +Hey, you can't expect all of his 70 books to be bangers. +--- 21956420 +>>21956035 (OP) +Well, he ain't wrong. +--- 21956439 +>>21956035 (OP) +>half of country good +>other half good +wtf +--- 21956443 +>>21956035 (OP) +This is one of those threads where you can tell the poster did not read the book, and at most read a synopsis or more probably saw the tv version. In the book Nazi's are not really a major theme, and are barely even mentioned, and virtually all of the action takes place in the Japanese section, and even here the Japanese are more of an force behind the scenes than overtly the center of things. +--- 21957013 +>>21956064 +You're not a resistance member of the ZOG matrix you're someone who's informed from internet schizos. +You probably live like a degenerate yourself, you probably live in Wisconsin, play Genshin Impact and read Substack. The Nazis would have put you into a labor camp you tool. +--- 21957023 +OP you were a dumbass for making a thread about the book knowing most zoomers on this board have never even heard of pkd nor realize the book is actually about le esoterica, le gnosticism and not le alternate history +--- 21957028 +>>21956035 (OP) +I love dick +--- 21957034 +>>21957013 +The nazis did not put random people in labor camps, idk why you guys always say this. If anything he would be told to work on the autobahn or something and be paid for it. It was your good friends the Soviets who liked sending people to unpaid labor camps diff --git a/lit/21956061.txt b/lit/21956061.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8f4c2e91e738fd064a7ad3b792ee0c18007776ba --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956061.txt @@ -0,0 +1,175 @@ +----- +--- 21956061 +Okay /lit/ I formally issue a challenge. Starting May 1st you'll be tasked to write something using only a shitty spiral notebook and a standard bic pen (your choice of color. clear barrel or otherwise. I recommend clear) The spiral notebook can be whatever brand and however many pages you like, but can't cost more than 3 dollars. I recommend college ruled. Try and fill it up! You have the entirety of May to finish your project and by the end you can share your experience and if you want to, the project itself. The core idea of this challenge will be to force you to create rather than wait until you "have the right resources" + +ITT: Discuss what you'd like to write about and how you think you'll handle these limitations? + +I'll see you all again in a month. +--- 21956084 +Why are zoomers like this? +--- 21956087 +>>21956061 (OP) +Writing is the easy part. + +Getting anyone to read your shit, now that's a challenge. +--- 21956215 +>>21956084 +Afraid of stepping away from your macbook air? Or do you hate the idea of not being in a starbucks while writing your self insert fan fiction? +--- 21956220 +>>21956084 +I hate people who try to shit on anything fun. Either try to open up or go fuck yourself. +--- 21956222 +>>21956087 +Id say that writing knowing nobody will read it is the challenge. +--- 21956229 +>>21956222 +Then make it a project just for you anon. Write something you want to see. If you're creating just so people see it you're doing it for the wrong reasons. And like I said you're more than welcome to share it with us. +--- 21956242 +>>21956229 +Youre right. I want to but rn Ive got two babies to take care of and an epididymal infection. +--- 21956248 +>>21956242 +If you can type in this thread you can freehand some literature. You've got plenty of time until the 1st. I hope you feel better soon anon. +--- 21956255 +>>21956248 +Thanks bro thats true, got a new antibiotic that will hopefully kick in by then too. Sounds like a good time but wont this thread be locked by then? +--- 21956260 +>>21956061 (OP) +I'll do it OP. I frequently fall for marketing schemes and tell myself "If I had xyz software/hardware, I'd write more". If I successfully complete this challenge I'll buy myself the fancy keyboard I've been eyeing up for months. +--- 21956272 +>>21956061 (OP) +>months +No worries. I'm already finished. Maybe next time I'll draw a nice picture too. +--- 21956276 +>>21956061 (OP) +Small notebooks are more fun to fill though. They are also easier to store on your shelves if you've already filled multiples. +--- 21956280 +Bumping because I like this idea +--- 21956295 +>>21956272 +Nice handwriting, homo +--- 21956339 +>>21956280 +gracias anon. What are you planning on writing? +--- 21956341 +>>21956272 +You write like an aspie. +--- 21956364 +>>21956061 (OP) +The last time I did this, I ended up filling the entire notebook with random schizophrenic ramblings and scribbles that don't even follow the lines on the page and shoot off in all angles. Just mind vomit. This time I will try writing my own internet style fringe lunatic manifesto. +--- 21956377 +>>21956364 +based. get after it anon. +--- 21956385 +>>21956061 (OP) +>expecting me to pay money for physical resources when I already have a computer +--- 21956387 +Why would I do this if I already have a fountain pen, a good paper and I'm already working daily? That doesn't make any sense +--- 21956390 +>>21956087 +Pay some thot on Onlyfans to advertise your book. +--- 21956402 +>>21956061 (OP) +I think I'll write a philosophical dialogue or a series of dialogues. I've been thinking about this for a while. I'm not good at writing stories, and I've got an analytical brain, so a dialogue sounds fun. It'll just be me going back and forth with myself about ideas I'm conflicted on, but I'll give each position different names. +Obviously it'll be shit, since I've never written anything like it, but it'll be fun, and I'll get better as I go on. It may actually help me clear up what I believe about certain things. +--- 21956406 +>>21956390 +coomers don't read. that's why they fap to bitches on onlyfans or some degenerate porn site. +--- 21956414 +>>21956061 (OP) +>I'll see you all again in a month. +It will be forgotten +--- 21956417 +>>21956390 +Do you know how few people read? + +I had to do a safety meeting with 30+ members of a crew and we had lunch after. I spoke with most of them and I usually slip in "what was the last book you read?" as part of my small talk. Not a single dude out of 30+ labourers could tell me the last book they read. +--- 21956462 +>>21956402 +Sounds great anon. Can't wait to hear about it! +--- 21956471 +>>21956385 +>>21956387 +The exercise is about making the most out of limited or sub-optimal materials. The idea is what you create is more important than what you create it with. Engage or don't. +--- 21956479 +>>21956414 +If no one else participates I'll carry out the challenge myself and report the results in a month. I thought it would be fun and just wanted to share the opportunity with others. +--- 21956521 +>>21956479 +It's a decent enough idea, make a few threads as progress updates. +--- 21956557 +>>21956272 +Looks like you're in the lead +--- 21956572 +>>21956521 +Absolutely. Probably weekly updates. +--- 21956664 +>>21956061 (OP) +based, i'm in +--- 21956678 +>>21956417 +Bro, historically nobody reads shit either. Book readers are the weirdos. +--- 21956684 +>>21956664 +Lets gooooooooo +--- 21956777 +Lmao I never used anything else other than these +--- 21956797 +>>21956061 (OP) +Any excuse to write is a good excuse, I'll be seeing you by the end of May. +--- 21956806 +>>21956061 (OP) +now I'm not a writer by any means, I can hardly write a coherent sentence, but I'll try +--- 21956864 +>>21956387 +Because this is some new gimmick to help you fool yourself into thinking you're going to suddenly change. +--- 21956869 +>>21956061 (OP) +I already do this. I log what I’ve eaten and had to drink each day. Since last June I’ve been trying to figure out if something I’ve been doing or eating is the cause of my undiagnosed nausea and dizziness. I put random stickers I’ve received on the cover. +--- 21956928 +This sounds fun, I’ll try it. +--- 21956977 +>>21956220 +Fucking this, faggots take any opportunity to drag others down into their misery its fucking pathetic +--- 21956987 +>>21956797 +I can't wait anon. I believe in you! +--- 21956993 +>>21956061 (OP) +My handwriting is shit and i'm a horrible writer +--- 21956994 +maybe something pic related iono +--- 21956995 +>>21956928 +Hope to see you in the update threads! +--- 21956997 +>>21956977 +Misery enjoys company unfortunately. +--- 21957003 +>>21956993 +Only one way to get better anon. I had to completely reteach myself how to write earlier this year but I didn't let that stop me. We're not going for Pulitzer prizes here just fun projects with minimal material. +--- 21957127 +This is actually a good idea, anon, and I'm going to do it. +--- 21957140 +if you don’t write in cursive it’s not /lit/ +--- 21957342 +>>21956417 +I'm safety on a 500 worker site and regularly discuss philosophy and literature with fellow labourers. It isn't as popular as the critique of footballs or guitar performance, but people are expected to be able to contribute. + +I guess your kind of labourer sucks. +>dude +Seps. Its always fucking seps isn't it? If you had a union and safety militant culture you'd read. +--- 21957361 +>>21957140 +I try I really do, but the pain gets worse with each stroke. +Plus, cursive was created for faster writing, but I find myself taking 10x as long to write the same word in cursive because I pay too much attention to detail and form. +When having to write fast, I end up with a blend of cursive and print, not lifting the pen, as one does in cursive, but keeping the structure and simplicity of print. +--- 21957380 +>>21956061 (OP) +I think I'm down for it, I write almost daily anyway and having it in a physical form would probably be a nice change of pace, as well as doing more than just document interesting ideas and thoughts, but also create some more stuff +--- 21957838 +>>21956215 +why would you choose to write in a worse way, it's no different than faggots who use typewriters just because they're old or because their brains are so rattled by porn, social media and video games they literally cannot function on a device that offers access to those things +--- 21957846 +>>21957342 +I'm Canadian, and Canadian men are extremely cucked. Funny how the only couple of guys in our crew that DID read were the alcoholic drug user roughnecks! The "normal" labourers only snowboarded, smoked weed, and played video games. diff --git a/lit/21956070.txt b/lit/21956070.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..83f83266bf0235cd73d1bac859d6eb77ee5f141c --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956070.txt @@ -0,0 +1,34 @@ +----- +--- 21956070 +Holy mother of Kino +--- 21956090 +>>21956070 (OP) +> Kino +retard +--- 21956098 +Easily his best work. I went in a little worried with how shit Anomalisa was but this redeemed him in my eyes. +--- 21956139 +>>21956098 +>Easily his best work. +isn't it his only work? +--- 21956293 +Is this worth checking out? +I like his movies but feel like he's saying the same thing with every one of them. +--- 21956302 +>>21956293 +>saying +terrible outlook +--- 21956317 +>>21956293 +it feels like it was written by an undergrad pseud who likes DFW +Kaufman was trying too hard +--- 21956431 +>>21956098 +What kind of person thinks this is good? I wanted to gouge my eyes out from the cringe after the first two pages. The whole "my life is a sadsack sitcom" shtick really grinds my gears +--- 21956437 +>>21956302 +>kill +Yourself +--- 21956444 +>>21956098 +I enjoyed it for what it was but it didn't feel as cohesive or substantive as any of his films imo. diff --git a/lit/21956083.txt b/lit/21956083.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..439f1d4e458615187c58c9867019dba28f8540ab --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956083.txt @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +----- +--- 21956083 +So, Satan does not exist and his minions are not real, right? And he has no sides? Okay, if that is true or you disagree try to let this thread slide. +>Jesus of Nazareth was God and founded the Holy Roman Catholic Church for the salvation of mankind. +--- 21956107 +He founded the Orthodox Church +--- 21956122 +>>21956107 +oof can't even let it slide +--- 21956473 +>>21956083 (OP) +That the RCC is the only large institution telling the truth about sexuality seems to me to be a strong argument in its favor. +--- 21956720 +>>21956083 (OP) +I do not understand the point of this thread, but God does sincerely love you diff --git a/lit/21956091.txt b/lit/21956091.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..39239efa5729a266cd1afca0d2a753bd8223a8db --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956091.txt @@ -0,0 +1,12 @@ +----- +--- 21956091 +How to into Simondon? +--- 21956269 +>>21956091 (OP) +I don't know how accessible his work is, but unless you read either Spanish or French, there's not much besides his two theses and maybe some other reference to him (Deleuze, Stengers, Stiegler) +--- 21956277 +>>21956091 (OP) +you dont +--- 21956286 +>>21956277 +you have to go back diff --git a/lit/21956112.txt b/lit/21956112.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0fea15427619b17828dbcf8385a8a5c9e33ca8bc --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956112.txt @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +----- +--- 21956112 +Is any of those history of philosophy books worth it? I've been wanting to get a general view on philosphy and the most prominent philosophers, but which should I read? Or should I just forget about it? +--- 21956129 +>>21956112 (OP) +Frederick Coplestone’s history of philosophy is fantastic + +He does a great summary of each philosopher +--- 21956138 +>>21956112 (OP) +IMO they're not really worth your time. You should just jump into books you want to read. +--- 21956207 +They're fine as a starting point but it would be poor to think you can become educated on philosophy by reading one. + +Coplestone's is good but long, Anthony Kenny's is a more modern and concise vision, Bryan Magee's is baby mode but the most 'simple' starting point if one is a true layman. + +I started with Magee's when I begun reading philosophy and do not regret it. +--- 21956227 +One must know the power and divinity of Monad himself. +--- 21956245 +>>21956112 (OP) +why not just pick a philosopher you're interested in and take a look at their writings? the idea of getting a grand overview is silly. Just explore the history and look at a bunch of stuff and see what grabs and moves you. + +what topics are you interested in? +--- 21956384 +>>21956245 +I did go for it and started with the Greeks, but there is so much to read and I am very busy with life right now; it seems like it will take me decades to get a grip on all these thinkers... So, I'd like to build this base knowledge on them asap and hopefully feel less anxious about how little time I have to dedicate to it and how long it will take me to read through all of their works. +--- 21956683 +>>21956384 +Relax bro +--- 21956691 +>>21956112 (OP) +You want to read the Jonathan Barnes edition of the Complete Works of Aristotle. +You really do... +--- 21956707 +>>21956129 +These are the best but somewhat hard to acquire. I've been collecting them as they appear at my local used book store (I have four) +--- 21956710 +>>21956245 +Getting the grand overview is by far the best way to get acclimated and nearly every decent university has a course like this. +--- 21956801 +>>21956112 (OP) +there's a history of philosophy podcast on spotify. its been going for more than 10 years with 400 episodes that average 20 minutes an episode. he advertises that he skips nothing. +--- 21956808 +This is gonna sound unromantic and pseud as fuck but I unironically think the best starting point for someone who doesn't know anything about philosophy is just to look through philosophers' articles on Wikipedia. +--- 21957776 +>>21956112 (OP) +From GBWW + +RED (Philosophy and Theology): +Vol. 7: Plato +Vol. 8: Aristotle I +Vol. 9: Aristotle II +Vol. 12: Lucretius / Epictetus / M[arcus] Aurelius +Vol. 17: Plotinus +Vol. 18: Augustine +Vol. 19: Thomas Aquinas I +Vol. 20: Thomas Aquinas II +Vol. 30: Bacon +Vol. 31: Descartes / Spinoza +Vol. 33: Pascal +Vol. 35: Locke / Berkeley / Hume +Vol. 42: Immanuel Kant +Vol. 46: Hegel + +http://www.theworldsclassics.org/p/the-great-books-of-western-world-gbww.html + +John Calvin and Nietzsche were also added during the 1990 rerelease along with a bunch of relatively minor 20th century thinkers such as William James. They were included under speculative science iirc. diff --git a/lit/21956115.txt b/lit/21956115.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..380f90c998ac0cf81b2969d7324dd45389dcfc24 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956115.txt @@ -0,0 +1,28 @@ +----- +--- 21956115 +Is there a genuine effort from any library to collect copies of all or most books ever published? +What are the closest examples? Library of Congress? British Library? +--- 21956141 +>>21956115 (OP) +Well considering that all libraries in each country are united under one library system, one could say that every country has its own omni-library. However, an omni-library in one location just simply won't ever exist. The world is too big, and too complex. +--- 21956156 +95% of books published aren't worth keeping even within the context of genre fiction studies +--- 21956164 +>>21956115 (OP) +I'm currently writing a cul-fi (culture fiction) short story about this concept. +--- 21956212 +>>21956115 (OP) +Library of Congress is the closest and that's partly why basically LC is the standard for cataloging in a lot of circumstances. +Other than that, there are projects to create catalogs that are comprehensive on certain areas, that describe the books and their known location, like the Gsamtkatalog der Wiegendrucke for incunables. +--- 21956391 +>>21956141 +>The world is too big, and too complex. +There should be an international effort to make a collection of all material knowledge. A permanent, public, sacrosanct temple of all books celebrating the human mind. Something like the Library of Alexandria, but far more imposing and eternal. +--- 21956405 +It could've been Google Books if the courts hadn't fucked that up +--- 21956422 +>>21956115 (OP) +Generally any highly endowed university does this to the best of their respective ability. Closest thing else is libgen. +--- 21956649 +>>21956422 +Unfortunately collection development budgets are dropping all over the place, so it's becoming common for universities to form little groups where they cover each other's gaps. This can be great, as students can have access to a wider spread of materials through interlibrary loans, but it makes the long term preservation of material more fragile as there is less redundancy. diff --git a/lit/21956125.txt b/lit/21956125.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b381e5b72f6827c1056a0a9bbce81a8e012a3240 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956125.txt @@ -0,0 +1,38 @@ +----- +--- 21956125 +I asked this on /his/ but got no replies. +I've been reading various entry-level collections of medieval-era legendry, namely Morte d'Arthur, Orlando Furioso, and the Thousand Nights and One Night, and a few other more obscure ones, and I noticed that European literature frequently contains Saracen characters portrayed quite positively (usually ending, after a very long game of playing hard-to-get, with their baptism and conversion) e.g. Sir Palomides and Ruggiero, whereas Arabian Nights has a very limited reference to Nazarenes, and rarely anything other than punching bags that exit the scene very quickly, at best. + +But my question is, are there Christian, or "Feringhee" European, stock characters in the literary traditions of non-Christian cultures in the same fashion? Africans, Chinese, Hindus, Native Americans? The closest that comes to mind is Brer Fox of the Uncle Remus tales, who is clearly a standin for the predatory rednecks oppressing wily Brer Rabbit, but honestly that stems from an extant Christian tradition of African-American slaves in the first place. +--- 21956560 +>>21956125 (OP) +--- 21956978 +>>21956125 (OP) +Technically not that at all but you have Menander who was a Greek Bactrian king near India and is a key figure in Buddhist philosophy. +--- 21957051 +>>21956125 (OP) +The story of King ‘Umar ibn al-Nu’man and his family, in Arabian Nights where iirc a Muslim gigachad slays a Christian army and it is said that the christians ate the poop of the king as a sort of ritual for protection and good luck. also the Christians send in a really ugly super soldier that the Muslim kills. it goes from night 88 to night 92 if you want to check +then also in Arabian Nights on night 477-478 there is a short tale of a mystic going to save a chirstian princess by pretending to be a doctor that will save her from an illness and when he gets there he finds out she is a closeted Muslim so they leave by tricking the king and she converts to Islam. +the book is apparently really mean to Christians and Jews so translators censor those parts in some books +--- 21957090 +Sure! Here are some examples of Christian characters in medieval and early modern literature from the Middle East: + +Rūmī's Mathnawi: Rūmī, a 13th-century Persian poet and Islamic jurist, is known for his Mathnawi, a collection of mystical poems. In some of his poems, he includes Christian characters and references to Christian teachings. For example, in one of his poems, he tells the story of a Christian monk who seeks divine knowledge and ultimately converts to Islam after finding the truth in the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad. + +The Book of Chivalry by Ramon Llull: Ramon Llull, a 13th-century Majorcan writer and philosopher, wrote The Book of Chivalry, a work of Christian fiction that promotes the ideals of chivalry and knighthood. The book features Christian characters who embark on chivalric adventures and engage in discussions on Christian virtues and moral conduct. + +Maronite Christian literature: The Maronite Christians, an Eastern Catholic community with roots in Lebanon, have their own distinct literature that includes Christian characters and themes. For example, Maronite Christian literature often includes hagiographies of Maronite saints, such as St. Maron and St. Sharbel, who are revered by the Maronite community as spiritual role models. + +The Syriac Orthodox tradition: The Syriac Orthodox Church, an Oriental Orthodox Christian denomination with roots in the Middle East, has a rich literary tradition that includes Christian characters and stories. For example, the Syriac Orthodox tradition includes hagiographies of Syriac Orthodox saints, such as St. Ephrem the Syrian and St. Jacob of Serugh, who are considered important figures in Syriac Christian history and spirituality. + +The Thousand and One Nights: The Thousand and One Nights, also known as Arabian Nights, is a collection of Middle Eastern folk tales that includes Christian characters and stories. For example, in some of the tales, there are references to Christian knights, monks, and hermits who play roles in the stories' narratives. + +These are just a few examples of Christian characters in medieval and early modern literature from the Middle East. It's important to note that the portrayal of Christian characters in these works may vary depending on the specific cultural, historical, and religious context, and may reflect the unique perspectives and beliefs of the authors and the communities in which these works were produced. +--- 21957094 +>>21957051 +I already know of Arabian Nights, I'm asking if there are any other Muslim (or Hindu, or Buddhist, or Tengrist, or Shinto, or whatever) fiction in which Christianity/Europe plays a part in an historical/mythical context. +I am obviously not talking about things like mangas where a ridiculous American stereotype is a foreign exchange student in some Japanese high school, however Japanese literature or folklore in which, say, Commodore Perry or the Shimabara Rebellion plays a part is to my interest. +Which, by the way, reminds me of a Meiji-era Japanese school textbook about the history of the United States that got completely garbled in translation: this plate depicts the founding father John Adams slaying a (naturally British) serpent which devoured his wife alive in order to rescue her from its bowels. + +>>21956978 +Thanks, that's an interesting topic. Reminds me of the Chinese ambassador reports of the "DaQin": the Roman Empire. diff --git a/lit/21956205.txt b/lit/21956205.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..6cc91ebdb0c18efaf5abd24d9573b469a248abcb --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956205.txt @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@ +----- +--- 21956205 +What do we think? +--- 21956252 +>>21956205 (OP) +Have you read it? What did you think anon? +--- 21956305 +>>21956252 +I read an abbreviated version included in an anthology. I'm a casual fan of Wilde and the influence this work had on him is obvious. However, I also noticed a lot of similarities between Pater and other writers too, such as Nietzsche and Proust. I really enjoyed it, but I find myself ultimately at odds with it. I agree that art should not be critiqued for being "immoral," nor should it be analyzed or interpreted solely based on its supposed moral, but I don't think it's possible for a work of art, especially literature, to not have a moral or message. For example, The Picture of Dorian Grey was heavily inspired by Pater's philosophy, but it still had to have a moral at the end in order to function at the end. It would not work as a story if it didn't. Whether or not Wilde actually agreed with this moral, whether or not it was merely used as a plot device, and whether or not the book should interpreted based on this message is another matter. diff --git a/lit/21956249.txt b/lit/21956249.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0ac75564ded093005d71216a56e3effc3125dc19 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956249.txt @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ +----- +--- 21956249 +Give me your opinion about this poem +--- 21956267 +>>21956249 (OP) +Terrible diff --git a/lit/21956254.txt b/lit/21956254.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4750e52ce4abeb3acbde074162aa451f5fa16810 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956254.txt @@ -0,0 +1,5 @@ +----- +--- 21956254 +Anyone read this, how good is this book? +--- 21957700 +bump diff --git a/lit/21956256.txt b/lit/21956256.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a011ccde87372a484ca321443c7878816ecca554 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956256.txt @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ +----- +--- 21956256 +Why are good hard copies of the Lattimore translation so hard to find? Does ZOG hate Homer? +--- 21957803 +>a mild inconvenience? must have been da JOOOOOS +TMGB diff --git a/lit/21956301.txt b/lit/21956301.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a983acbb448b49ab5a1644dcf7d46a81ddcf203f --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956301.txt @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@ +----- +--- 21956301 +>"The only manner of self-destruction Schopenhauer finds philosophically acceptable is the ascetic saint's death by starvation. Here the individual will to life is so completely mastered as to refuse even the most basic desire for nourishment, and thereby passes into nonexistence in complete renunciation of the individual will. " + +Are there any books about this issue? +--- 21956724 +>>21956301 (OP) +Any of them that are about rationality dominating desire. +--- 21956734 +>>21956301 (OP) +This quote always motivates me on my cuts, thanks Schbropenhauer diff --git a/lit/21956315.txt b/lit/21956315.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..81fa8a8ff93bde546ad32e71a72f24379d549e7d --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956315.txt @@ -0,0 +1,111 @@ +----- +--- 21956315 +The name is just a pseudonym: +>In September 2017, a team of scholars, computer scientists, philologists and linguists at the University of Padua analyzed 150 novels written in Italian by 40 different authors, including seven books by Elena Ferrante. Based on analysis using several authorship attribution models, they concluded that Anita Raja's husband, author and journalist Domenico Starnone, is the probable author of the Ferrante novels. +https://lithub.com/have-italian-scholars-figured-out-the-identity-of-elena-ferrante/ +--- 21956333 +>>21956315 (OP) +Interesting +--- 21956368 +>>21956315 (OP) +>But as a girl I was bored by everyday reality. +https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/aug/29/elena-ferrante-we-dont-have-to-fear-change-what-is-other-shouldnt-frighten-us +--- 21957239 +>However, when applying the Labbé’s intertextual distance, the distance found in Rank #33 (see Table 2) between one Ferrante’s novel (Storia della bambina perduta) and one Starnone’s book (Lacci) is very small (0.193). In fact, such a small value (smaller than 0.2) never appears between documents written by two distinct authors, when con- sidering text sizes longer than 10,000 word-tokens and written in the same gen- re and time period (Labbé, 2007). Moreover, the probability associated with this assignment is very high (98%), indicating a strong evidence that Starnone wrote both books. In addition, the distance distribution depicted by the Delta method (see Table 1) is also a strong indication that Starnone is the true author. The dis- tance difference between all other possible writers are rather small compared to the difference between Starnone and the possible second author. +>98% probability +It's pretty much a fact that it's him. Much to the chagrin of the feminists. +--- 21957243 +>>21957239 +Source: http://www.padovauniversitypress.it/publications/9788869381300 +--- 21957703 +bump +--- 21957730 +>>21956315 (OP) +The real revelation about Elena Ferrante that the world is not ready for is that, man or woman, their books fucking suck and most of what people thought was appealing about it is just pretention and self-importance. +--- 21957738 +>>21957730 +sexist chud +--- 21957743 +>>21957730 + +> doesn't read + +Ferrante is very direct, clean prose. The first books are good, then the ideas ran out and all we have is the manufactured controversy +--- 21957747 +>>21957743 +>The first books are good +aren't there just 4 books? you mean the first half of books? +--- 21957752 +>>21957743 +I've read the four Neapolitan novels, and I was extremely unimpressed anon. I think people who can only write semi-autobiographical works, like Annie Ernaux, do not offer humanity anything and are perpetually obsessed with themselves. +If I want to read about the mundane life in an interesting way, I'll read Zola, Maupassant and Huysmans. They, at least, had a soul. +--- 21957754 +>>21957743 +>The first books are good, then the ideas ran out +The later books just revealed how vacuous the first books really were, which we didn't know at the time because they showed promise that was never delivered on, and never will be. +--- 21957756 +>>21957738 +Isn't it more that Elena Ferrante is a confirmed pseudonym? +--- 21957761 +>>21957756 +It is. People post inflammatory things on twitter just to get fake controversies going. +--- 21957764 +>>21957756 +I'm being cheeky here. Yea, it's a confirmed pseudonym by a guy but that woman there says it's sexist to say it. +--- 21957774 +>>21957747 + +No, the first books s in OPs pic. Arguably My Brilliant Friend is the end of her peak. + +>>21957752 +We literally don't know if they're autobiographical. Conceivably, they're by a man. +--- 21957780 +>>21957243 +wew lad +--- 21957786 +>>21957774 +>No, the first books s in OPs pic. Arguably My Brilliant Friend is the end of her peak. +So from Troubling Love (L'amore molesto) to The Beach at Night (La spaggia di Notte), it's all good? +--- 21957800 +>>21957786 +Haven't read it all, obv. + +She's good, but not remotely my favourite. +--- 21957807 +>>21957800 +what are the good books? +--- 21957811 +>>21957774 +>We literally don't know if they're autobiographical +Well, you're right. I did specify that I consider them semi-autobiographical (because I think I remember Ferrante saying they were), but I don't know that for sure either. +--- 21957812 +>>21957807 +Days is best. Lost Child and Brilliant Friend also fine. Second Neapolitan book disappointing. That's all I've got bro. +--- 21957815 +>>21957812 +Thanks! +--- 21957816 +>>21957738 +Does it really begin with that assumption though? There’s really no evidence for that. Obviously she’s just looking for something to be angry about. +Also this whole thing raises some interesting questions about how literature is perceived today. Does it really make the books any less enjoyable or good (haven’t read them so can’t comment) if they were written by a man? Certainly this revelation doesn’t change the text itself, only the way the reader perceives it. It seems that most readers nowadays are looking for authors they can identify with, which is a broader phenomenon across all art disciplines today and is incredibly fucking gay. Ferrante being a man shatters the illusion of a shared identity and that’s all those books are to these fucks, it’s the only way their feeble minds can interpret a work of art. +--- 21957836 +>>21957816 +It's also because the publishing/book industry is run at 90% by women and has been for two decades. +In interviews they will justify it as women just being better writers (I am not joking; I remember a Guardian interview about that) and will even admit to refusing some submission because a male author won't sell as well. +Elena Ferrante actually being a man would shatter the illusion. +--- 21957844 +>women become massive fans of Elena and talk about how she gets women and writes about the female experience in a way that is deeply relatable +>doubts start to arise about the author's sex and suddenly people start talking about how they could immediately tell it was written by a man +Lol +--- 21957849 +>>21957816 +Woke women and /pol/tard men share this weird obsession with identity. They want to see themselves in the author so they can relate to the books. Elena Ferrante being a man and BAP being a Jew completely destroy their fantasy. It's a very narcissist thought. "This person is worth reading because he/she is like me." +--- 21957854 +>>21957836 +There’s no reason to believe that either, maybe in the US it is, I don’t know the US publishing world, but certainly in Italy that’s not the case. Also, across various European countries the most widely read contemporary literary authors are still male. What does stand as fact however is that most readers of literary fiction are female nowadays and most of them can only judge the works through the shallow lense of shared experience. Obviously the more intelligent publishers are aware of this and cater to it. +--- 21957857 +>>21957239 +His style just rubbed off on her. I hate you incels so much. +--- 21957859 +>>21957854 +The funny thing is that "she" is more popular in the US than in Italy. In any case, there were also some Spanish guys who wrote a novel together and used a female pseudonym. They won't a prize and everyone was seething because they thought the author was actually a woman. I think the name was Carmen Mola. diff --git a/lit/21956338.txt b/lit/21956338.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..673cc828b6b9efdde0a5a9a601fea384f6ffaf22 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956338.txt @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +----- +--- 21956338 +I don't believe in propositions. Were are they? Analytics are retarded. +--- 21956407 +>>21956338 (OP) +>proposing propositions don't exist +--- 21956410 +What propositions? What it mean? +P.s. sorry for bed englishs +--- 21956455 +>>21956338 (OP) +Propositions are the representational content of sentences (as interpreted in context) and of thoughts. + +But major analytic philosophers like Quine and Davidson made forceful arguments against taking these locutions literally... +--- 21956513 +>>21956407 +Have you seen a proposition? +--- 21956522 +>>21956513 +no i have never been propositioned, are you trying to rub it in? +--- 21956548 +>>21956338 (OP) +Just how good a friend is this OP to yall diff --git a/lit/21956348.txt b/lit/21956348.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..76177694b3be43c8ae595895d20b44c85945ff5c --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956348.txt @@ -0,0 +1,40 @@ +----- +--- 21956348 +Hegel, Deleuze, Guattari, Butler, and any other "academic" who writes in an obfuscated way is a grifter who wants to make their ideas seem deeper than they are. There is nothing worth gaining from reading any of them. +--- 21956353 +You don't get Hegel. You become Hegelian as second nature. +--- 21956370 +>>21956348 (OP) +Hegel wasnt trying to obfuscate, he was just extremely confused. Even Deleuze is not really trying to obfuscate. People like Derrida or Judith Butler actually are. +--- 21957253 +>>21956353 +>You don't get Hegel. You become Hegelian as second nature. +Hegel is neither got not acquired nor enclosed as enclosure is an act of appropriation. Hegel is unappropriate as appropriation is a becoming. Hegel cannot be cummed inside. Hegel is not your sister. Hegel is not your Waifu. Hegel is the negative presence of Hegel as an action of being. This is not a becoming but an ontological self-inspection of negativity. Hegel is the fistfucking of Hegel's absence as a cunt. Here then is the inappropriable nature of Hegel: he has no cunt but you must fist. + +Gape. +--- 21957264 +>>21957253 +Dude, you had one job, to end a dirty sex joke with "agape" instead of "eros" and you failed. +--- 21957266 +>>21956348 (OP) +Now apply that to the western canon and entire world canon +Congratulations and welcome to enlightenment +--- 21957280 +>>21956348 (OP) +>>21956370 +>If you use words in a manner with which I am not immediately familiar then your work is obfuscation +It's not for everyone +--- 21957282 +>>21956348 (OP) +not /lit/ +>>>/his/ +>>>/pol/ +--- 21957288 +>>21957280 +>if you deliberately try to hide what you are trying to say, if you are trying to say anything at all, and your life's work is of purely aesthetic interest to people as cultural capital but contains nothing of intellectual significance, then a bunch of retards will try and defend you by hurling insults because they obviously aren't smart enough to do anything else +sucker born every minute +--- 21957294 +>>21956370 +Deleuze is trying to obfuscate or he would have written and spoken normally, or else he's retarded. these people obviously don't live the shit they preach, unless again they're severely mentally handicapped and cant help it. it's a day job, then they go act like normal people. it's a con not for money but for attention and praise +--- 21957326 +What are the ideas that they wish to make seem deeper than they really are? diff --git a/lit/21956383.txt b/lit/21956383.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..738e1e31f02655a96ca8c2a08484384cecc52774 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956383.txt @@ -0,0 +1,112 @@ +----- +--- 21956383 +>engaging +>entertaining +>boring +>relatable +--- 21956388 +>>21956383 (OP) +Engaging is a legitimate term +--- 21956413 +>>21956388 +Not in literary criticism. It's a social media term. "OMG this content generated so much engagement!" It essentially means people find it entertaining. +--- 21956423 +I use engaging and entertaining +I don't ever do literary criticism, I just do reviews which are basically me sharing how I felt when I read a book +--- 21956427 +>>21956423 +name 4 entertaining books +--- 21956428 +>>21956383 (OP) +Boring is a legitimate criticism, the only problem is plebs call the wrong things boring +--- 21956434 +>>21956413 +That's not what it means, it means it makes you think, like it compels active engagement +--- 21956435 +>>21956428 +>Boring is a legitimate criticism +I don't see how. Your feelings =/= literary quality. +--- 21956442 +>>21956434 +I've never seen it used like that. It's always "the story is engaging" or "the writing is so engaging." It basically means "it catches my attention and is entertaining, it makes me engage with the content." When people want to say what you mean they usually say "thought-provoking." +--- 21956446 +>>21956383 (OP) +>having feelings about things is so reddit! +Honestly you should kys if this is how bitter you are about the existence of emotional responses. +--- 21956450 +>Why yes, I use conclusions as arguments, how could you tell? +--- 21956451 +>>21956413 +>is too stupid to parse words so presumes everyone else is using them wrong +You’re so fucked and you don’t even know it lol +--- 21956452 +>>21956446 +Quiet, woman. +--- 21956460 +>>21956451 +Fuck off, engagefag. +--- 21956470 +>>21956460 +So would you ever say “entertaining smile,” you stupid fuck? +--- 21956472 +>>21956452 +>women on 4chan +Hello new +--- 21956475 +>>21956435 +Isn’t every literary criticism based off your personal feelings? +--- 21956477 +>>21956472 +More of an insult than a reality. +--- 21956480 +>>21956475 +based on*. But it's not a matter of what you feel, but how you express yourself. Using empty buzzwords is silly. +--- 21956485 +HAHAHAHAHA there are 5 bastards ITT other than me (OP) and each and every one is seething. Did I hit a never? It really wasn't my intention. +--- 21956488 +>>21956427 +My diary +Your diary +The diary of >>21956423 +Her diary >>21956383 (OP) +--- 21956494 +>>21956383 (OP) +>groundbreaking +>tour de force +>one of the most important works of the XXth century +--- 21956497 +>>21956485 +I reject the accusation of seething, I simply made a case for one of the words +>>21956434 +>>21956388 +I'm quite sure this is a valid use of the word +--- 21956498 +>>21956427 +Tolstoy Collected Shorter Fiction +Joyce Dubliners +McCarthy No Country for Old Men +Lermontov A Hero of Our Time +--- 21956502 +>>21956494 +>Stunning +>The greatest X of all time +>a virtuoso masterpiece +--- 21956506 +>>21956497 +>I'm quite sure this is a valid use of the word +Are you really, really, really sure? See: >>21956460 +--- 21956523 +>>21956506 +If it isnt then I will make it so. +--- 21956535 +>>21956485 +>haha you fell for my trick! I was only pretending to be retarded +--- 21956542 +>>21956535 +>t. engagefag +--- 21956555 +>>21956427 +Diary of a Wimpy Kid +Diary of a Wimpy Kid: Roderick Rules +Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Last Straw +Diary of a Wimpy Kid: Dog Days diff --git a/lit/21956430.txt b/lit/21956430.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b32ac9940c80e1caefa395ebe2bfbfd687080e10 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956430.txt @@ -0,0 +1,12 @@ +----- +--- 21956430 +Could have the Lakota ascendancy lasted any longer? I`ve been reading lit like pic and Dee Brown etc. Seems even though they lasted longer than the Commanche, I don`t they stood a chance thanks to their individualism culture, even post 1860s wars like Red Clouds wars and the Fort Laramie treaty meant little when a gold rush occurred in the Black hills. Where they doomed to coexist rather than be an enclave? +--- 21956454 +>>21956430 (OP) +The dream of any part of North America being free from domination by the United States died with Tecumseh in 1813. All the Plains tribes were on borrowed time. It has nothing to do with "individualism"; they were simply too few. +--- 21956481 +>>21956454 +Increasing Federal power after the civil war, increase of critical funding after disasters like Little Bighorn, Fettermans fight (As well as all of Red Clouds War) and the fervour of generals like Sherman, Sheridan and Custer also played a big role. Even early examples like King Phillips War and Tecumseh, the rapid collapse of their way of life is probable indicator of where they were headed. The 1870s onwards were really just futile. Even Sitting Bull/Jumping Badger, Crazy Horse, Geronimo, none of them died in battle. +--- 21956973 +>>21956430 (OP) +Chunka Luta, Bitch diff --git a/lit/21956453.txt b/lit/21956453.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..bc3d3cb020b8030e893474c76720e06aadd1e010 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956453.txt @@ -0,0 +1,31 @@ +----- +--- 21956453 +What's the literary device going on when someone here posts "It didn't happen but it should've" or "it didn't happen". Like they're implying the event and we all know what they're referring to without saying, but what is this technique actually called? Is it just dogwhistling? +--- 21956459 +>>21956453 (OP) +Its a device referred to as "holocaust denial" and is one of the few forbidden literary devices +--- 21956463 +>>21956453 (OP) +Dog Whistle +--- 21956465 +cowkicking +--- 21956478 +>>21956459 +What are the others? +--- 21956518 +>>21956453 (OP) +"it didn't happen but if it did it's a good thing" is the celebration parallax +just "it didn't happen" is dogwhistling +all that being said, hitler was right, the holocaust DID happen, and it's a good thing +--- 21956525 +What's the difference between pogrom, shoah and the holocaust? +Also can other things be referred to as a holocaust like a noun, or is it specifically the jewish one? +--- 21956532 +>>21956525 +>What's the difference between pogrom, shoah and the holocaust? +functionally, the latter refers to any good old jew hunt anywhere, as in russia; shoah and holocaust are the same thing +>Also can other things be referred to as a holocaust like a noun +if your post gets deleted it's been shoah'd holocausted, there was also allegedly a holocoaster at one point +--- 21956538 +>>21956532 +*shoah'd / holocausted diff --git a/lit/21956468.txt b/lit/21956468.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..2a3e9c8c738bdcfa8e1b36e797c970d2a56e5b45 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956468.txt @@ -0,0 +1,268 @@ +----- +--- 21956468 +Can anyone explain the current &amp/Unreal Press drama? Are the doxxing allegations true? Why are they doing it? +--- 21956474 +>>21956468 (OP) +Nobody knows and everyone involved is a massive faggot. +--- 21956482 +>>21956468 (OP) +Unreal fags are massively insecure losers who publish straight schlock but LARP as if they have qualified control. +--- 21956492 +>>21956468 (OP) +All you have to realize is that ANYONE on this forum that even tries to write is shit upon and attacked. + +Name one positive thread about an author here? +--- 21956495 +>>21956482 +I agree, but I am cautious to say more because they report all kinds of posts that they don't like, and they are the kind of plebbitors that applied and successfully gained janitor status. +--- 21956501 +>>21956468 (OP) +it’s tranny discord drama. they doxxed the &amp best of editor and a bunch of unreal contributors, plus some girl who apparently was somehow involved? it would take years to explain all of the discord faggotry that lead to it but it seems like the one of the unreal hosts left because of someone trolling the server and now he’s gone rogue and wants revenge +--- 21956504 +>>21956492 +>Name one positive thread about an author here? +the zines and anthologies get good comments but the inexperienced lit authors who really want the spotlight are bound to get shit on +--- 21956514 +>>21956504 +I have never seen an actual positive thread here and I've been lurking for 3 years. +--- 21956527 +>>21956492 +The Nesmer threads where he’d give out copies of his books for free we’re cozy +--- 21956533 +>>21956527 +Nesmer seems like a chill guy, but if I remember correctly he was attacked pretty hard in some threads too. +--- 21956534 +>>21956526 +Implying/lit/ has jannies +--- 21956540 +>>21956527 +>>21956531 +Haha, see? +--- 21956546 +>>21956531 +No. +--- 21956553 +>>21956533 +I would bet you anything he doesn’t care. The guy put his email address on the board. +--- 21956593 +>>21956527 +This +--- 21956608 +>>21956597 +It's the angloid who is the problem +--- 21956614 +>>21956468 (OP) +It’s literally an anti-Gardner coalition. The fact they write at all is a disguise to keep you from noticing their mission to dismantle Gardner (/lit/‘s Napoleon). Keep your eyes out for some big news coming from the F man. Let’s just say pretty soon there’ll be more than one magazine in town. +--- 21956616 +>>21956597 +Is this a reference to something I’m not understanding or is this the infamous unreal doxxing? +--- 21956638 +>>21956630 +Imagine paying money to get an MFA at the University of Florida hahahahahahha kwab +--- 21956658 +>>21956651 +Gardner is the #1 hero of /lit/, stop attacking him. +--- 21956662 +>>21956630 +>discord screen name +>university attended +Anon, this is the lamest attempt at a doxx I’ve ever fucking seen +--- 21956665 +>>21956638 +Lmao I'm leaving this thread because it's swarming with janitors. And if you say anything good about F you will get a frivolous ban. +--- 21956666 +>>21956527 +Shit, I recall back in the day when he emailed me a copy of Eggplant. Good guy. +--- 21956671 +>>21956665 +as you should +--- 21956681 +>>21956501 +Why would they do that? Obviously that shit’s just going to fuck up their reputation on /lit/ and make people distrust them. +--- 21956711 +>>21956681 +Guys have already imploded from what I understand. Only 1/4 hosts remain and they’ve lost the guy who runs all the Amazon stuff. Whoever is left seems to see scorched earth as his own option. +--- 21956713 +>>21956696 +>nesmerniggers gtfo +--- 21956725 +>>21956711 +whyd they leave in the first place? +--- 21956750 +>>21956725 +Krake, Rhyme and L.A are all MIA. +Krake got out the second the doxing shit happened. He was not involved in any drama and when it came out what they were doing he called them all discord trannies and left. +Rhyme and L.A were actively involved in the doxing and have only gone radio silent because they can see /lit/ is turning on them. +Only guy left is Miles, but Miles doesn't know how to do anything. +--- 21956760 +Holy fuck I'm glad I left barely a few days after I joined +The server was full of gay retarded muslim larpers who banned several members for arguing with F. Gardner +--- 21956774 +>>21956771 +hahahaha holy fuck +--- 21956776 +>>21956771 +I can tell this isn’t Gardner because of how cool he is with not making sales. If it were really him he’d be lying and trying to distract people with some larp about being a flat earth truther. This poster also seems to have a sense of humor which Gardner is to stupid for. +--- 21956778 +>>21956771 +Yes, Gardner is a cool guy. +--- 21956796 +>>21956750 +lol, miles is even more of a talentless hack than the other three. tales of the unreal sucked and his story was the worst part of it by far, yet he’s still trying to shill it by paying for ads +--- 21956815 +>>21956796 +I don't wanna hate Miles. Say what you will about the quality of his work but I haven't seen him be malicious like the other two. He just seems to like the idea of being on a show and having his name in print. +--- 21956824 +>>21956796 +Spoken like a true incompetent faggot. Others do, and you just fling shit. Sad! +--- 21956833 +all of you suck. almost none of you write shit that is actually enjoyable to read. if the editor had actually enforced quality control then the magazine would be empty. if you want to avoid fading into irrelevance then keep writing +--- 21956855 +>>21956750 +Why did they doxx the first guy anyway? Did he do some shit that pissed them off? +--- 21956870 +>>21956816 +Yeah. (Self) published author Zac Labuschagne. +--- 21956873 +>>21956855 +That was the &amp best-of editor. From what I've heard, it was because the guy didn't want to do an interview with them and said their content was shit. I don't know the in-betweens of that and actually doxing him though. +--- 21956879 +>>21956771 +you laugh at this shit, but that's pretty damn based. +--- 21956907 +>>21956870 +>Hahaha! This guy writes! +I really don’t understand why I’m supposed to have issues with this. Honestly my guy have you considered you’re the only one who gives a fuck? +--- 21956910 +>>21956907 +>implying that anon isn’t Labuschagne posting his own info to try and capitalize on the drama and get his name out there +--- 21956923 +>>21956910 +>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58571795-sociopath +even his excerpts are cringe +--- 21956924 +>doxing contributors on 4chan of all places +Did they not realize this was going to come back at them tenfold? +--- 21956932 +>>21956910 +Ah yes, because “drama” is so popular here on this anonymous image board. +It’s pretty obvious you’ve got some issues with these dudes, don’t know why and don’t really care. As long as anons don’t blow up the board with blatant shilling like Gardner does, then it’s fine by me. Also you’re fooling yourself if you think random people are going to harass these guys just because you post their info +--- 21956942 +>>21956873 +nah it was because he derailed their server for months schizoing out about some girl who he said was stalking him and then they found out he’d used a bunch of alts to fake the whole thing and doxxed him because they were pissed off +--- 21956954 +>>21956468 (OP) +youre all very stupid AND gay but i will do yall a solid and recommend some real Literary Literature, even though most of you fucking PEDANTS will choose to remain lost and forsaken +--- 21956960 +>>21956954 +>typography on forehead +Oh nonononono +--- 21956989 +>>21956954 +Is that book about the Oklahoma City bomber? based +--- 21957018 +>>21956534 +Look at the number of deleted posts in this thread. Unreal are reporting everything in full force to stop people from exposing them. +--- 21957026 +>>21957018 +>look at the deleted posts +Are you honestly this retarded? +--- 21957032 +>>21957026 +look at how many posters replied to posts that are now deleted man, makes the jannying obvious +--- 21957038 +>>21957018 +We really need people to review /lit/ books, but people seem to be more interested in picking fights? +--- 21957045 +>>21956942 +If that’s true then it sounds like he deserved what he got +--- 21957050 +>>21957018 +Really makes me think +--- 21957053 +>>21957032 +>rent free +You need a hobby. +--- 21957055 +>>21957053 +Have you ever even seen the movie gaslight? You just larp like you have? +--- 21957056 +>>21957053 +I already have a hobby, it’s called fucking your mom. +--- 21957060 +>>21957053 +>>21957053 +You should probably learn how to write fiction, as Unreal schlock was remarkably worse than the collective fiction that /lit/ produced. Took the easiest genre and produced writing that is worse in quality than all YA writing +--- 21957062 +>>21957060 +It's genuinely amazing that Unrealfags managed to produce writing worse than the output of the average untrained first-time writer +--- 21957066 +It’s a call it a &amp thread but it’s really an unrealie tranny discord drama dox thread. Again. +--- 21957071 +>>21957055 +>>21957056 +>>21957060 +LOOOL absolutely seething +--- 21957073 +>>21957066 +If the unrealies would stop doxxing people then no one would have to make threads about them. +--- 21957074 +>>21957071 +Sounds like you and your recessed chin buttbuddies are seething at each other since you retards are doxxing each other +--- 21957076 +>>21957074 +Bro I’ve never even read a single thing unreal has made, it’s just hilarious how buttblasted you are. +--- 21957079 +The only thing this drama is doing is making this place more and more toxic. +--- 21957081 +>>21957076 +>Bro I’ve never even read a single thing unreal has made +Damn, even the unreal “press” “staff” didn’t even read what they published. Sad +--- 21957082 +>>21957045 +p much, according to the last thread hes apparently calling himself jet now to try and go stealth and ditch his bad rep +--- 21957103 +>>21957079 +The opposite actually. These Unreal people getting outed as the piles of shit they are can only be good for this board. Should they be allowed to dox another half dozen 4chan users in the name "curbing toxicity"? +--- 21957114 +>>21957103 +based +--- 21957125 +>>21957103 +why did they claim the doxxing was to curb toxicity? +--- 21957137 +>>21957103 +Why the fuck is anyone doxxing anyone? +--- 21957158 +>>21957137 +the original doxxing was retaliation for someone derailing the server and trolling +--- 21957254 +>>21957137 +They’re doing it for kicks. +--- 21957377 +>>21956468 (OP) +What you are seeing is the rising of the great /lit/ renaissance. +It will be spoken of for decades to come. +It will, of course, be lead by an Australian. +--- 21957429 +>>21956492 +>>21956514 +Someone once said that Lit Quarterly Volume 3 had a nice cover but then they said "It's a shame that everything inside is shit." +--- 21957461 +>>21957429 +What ever happened to that guy anyways? +--- 21957522 +>>21957461 +He’s in the /wg/ discord (formerly an unrealcuck gay-ops community) +--- 21957548 +>>21957377 +Spot the difference +--- 21957581 +>>21956954 +what are wendy's feet like +--- 21957599 +>>21957548 +KEK +--- 21957617 +>>21957060 +There were three decent things there. The first story had some heart, the boat one was good, then the Siberia thriller thing too. I have downloaded worse. diff --git a/lit/21956483.txt b/lit/21956483.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..15b8b81ae094b77c7c48438a16431b383d9134eb --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956483.txt @@ -0,0 +1,35 @@ +----- +--- 21956483 +Read a few like Kevin Holland and Gaiman for basics, anything more intermediate? +--- 21956493 +>>21956483 (OP) +>reading a Jew when it comes to Nordic myths +what could go wrong? +--- 21956508 +>>21956493 +As I said, I want better stuff. +--- 21956589 +Why not read some of the sagas? Try Volsungsaga. +--- 21956628 +>>21956483 (OP) +https://ia801202.us.archive.org/24/items/TurvillePetreMythAndReligionOfTheNorth/Turville-Petre_Myth_and_Religion_of_the_North_text.pdf +--- 21956648 +>>21956483 (OP) +Prose edda +Poetic edda +--- 21957139 +>>21956483 (OP) +--- 21957401 +Ronald Murphy +--- 21957591 +grönbech + +>Historians like Walter F. Otto and Wilhelm Grönbech have achieved what Jacob Burckhardt couldn't or refused to do: taking the step over culture-historical considerations to the immediate reality and world of the greeks and the teutons respectively. +t. jünger +--- 21957842 +>>21957591 +>>21957139 +>>21956648 +>>21956628 +>>21956589 +Will do, thanks diff --git a/lit/21956556.txt b/lit/21956556.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..49cc4941370e5be7c87b99c5511a6420d52abb80 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956556.txt @@ -0,0 +1,26 @@ +----- +--- 21956556 +Let's all say thank you to /lit/s favorite modern publisher: Antelope Hill. Saving the west from the evil globohomo big five. +--- 21956559 +>>21956556 (OP) +>children’s books marketed to people who can’t get laid +Anon I see a flaw in your plans +--- 21956565 +>>21956556 (OP) +i bought that book for my niece +--- 21956576 +>>21956565 +I guarantee you your sister/sister-in-law put it in the trash after you left +--- 21956581 +>>21956556 (OP) +Please someone upload a pdf +--- 21956602 +>>21956556 (OP) +>another lazy /pol/ thread +all so tiresom +--- 21956622 +>>21956602 +remember the Roald Dahl threads from a month ago? Publishers are too chicken shit to say it's okay to laugh at an old woman in a wig. It's good to know there's at least one publisher out there that says no, it's okay to offend some people sometimes. You don't have to constantly be censoring yourself and worrying that your manuscript will get dropped at the slightest microaggression. +--- 21956650 +>>21956576 +i don't actually have a niece :( diff --git a/lit/21956595.txt b/lit/21956595.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..bcadc8de200c03b8adc3f8c87e58ddebf2c17141 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956595.txt @@ -0,0 +1,26 @@ +----- +--- 21956595 +>Proves the collective unconscious +--- 21957273 +>>21956595 (OP) +--- 21957277 +>>21956595 (OP) +not /lit/ +--- 21957297 +>>21957277 +Mythology and Jungian ideals permeate literature. +When it’s good. +--- 21957300 +>>21957297 +>>>/his/ +--- 21957305 +>>21957300 +Literature doesn’t go on the history board, trollboy +--- 21957494 +>>21956595 (OP) +how? because basic stories 100s of years apart have similar premises? +--- 21957499 +>>21957305 +>Proves the collective unconscious +>Literature +and if you think i'm trolling, then you should unironically kys diff --git a/lit/21956601.txt b/lit/21956601.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a8987e43b0f34d2a96913b0418684858896fe496 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956601.txt @@ -0,0 +1,21 @@ +----- +--- 21956601 +I didn't finish this but I thought it was very good. I got at least half way through. I'm convinced. Would highly recommend. +--- 21956788 +>>21956601 (OP) +heard good, need to read. +why didn't you finish it? +--- 21956867 +>>21956601 (OP) +>Orthodoxy +>actually Anglican turned Roman Catholic +--- 21956941 +>>21956601 (OP) +You should also read Heretics, the companion book. +--- 21956969 +GK Faggotron needs to fuck off forever and all his fans must prepare themselves for mandatory 10 years cattle service in the omaha beefscape, you insipid little queens +--- 21957085 +>>21956788 +I was convinced and picked up St John of Damascus' summary of the orthodox faith instead. I was already leaning that way and had study the catechism anyway. You can listen on librivox +>>21956941 +Is this just a dunk on prots etc or what? diff --git a/lit/21956624.txt b/lit/21956624.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8866c4cb195b71c56cdee638c7c3cbdfa651aa23 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956624.txt @@ -0,0 +1,34 @@ +----- +--- 21956624 +Is he the greatest of all time? And Why? +--- 21956674 +>Is he the greatest of all time? +Are you retarded? What kind of ridiculous question is this? Are you simply saying this to damage his name on this board? Not even Borges himself would think he's the GOAT. Dante is the GOAT according to him. +--- 21956856 +>>21956674 +I don't think Borges opinions on himself are relevant really, he's too modest to accurately rank himself. Besides, I don't think it's a stupid question at all. If anyone here passionately believes that he is the greatest i'd love to read their reasons why. Those arguments (when they're done well) are one of the only good things that come out of greatest-of-all-time discussions +I don't think he's the greatest personally but if I'd be forced to read only one author for the rest of my life I'd choose Borges probably + +not OP btw +--- 21956953 +>>21956856 +>he'd pick borges +lol +--- 21957506 +>>21956953 +Yes, I love him +--- 21957510 +>>21956624 (OP) +he insists upon himself. +--- 21957850 +>>21956624 (OP) +>mirrors, dude, they're weird am i right? Imagine that was a real person in the mirror lol +>imagine we all switched jobs all the time, how weird would that be?! +>imagine you would never forget anything holy shit that would actually suck! +>a library with, like, ALL possible books. Like the shakespeare monkey lmao +>tigers are cool +>books are supercool, I just wanna reeeead +He was midwit +--- 21957851 +>>21957850 +If that's all you got from him then you're the retard here. diff --git a/lit/21956641.txt b/lit/21956641.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a233dfcc093db17ace4a9fb694922456f9b87c48 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956641.txt @@ -0,0 +1,10 @@ +----- +--- 21956641 +wow, this was amazing. I can't believe I waited so long to read this. I've read the Trial but this felt so much more potent. What was the last great work you read? +--- 21956700 +I'd te to hijack this thread so I don't have to make another Kafka thread. +I'm reading his short stories now, but basically every single one makes me feel like a lackwit that has to google 'BOOK ANALYSIS'. What's the key to understanding Kafka? +--- 21956840 +>>21956700 +You don't have to understand everything. Just enjoy the vibes. +Also, read this to understand Kafka's sources. diff --git a/lit/21956643.txt b/lit/21956643.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e99546477cdb0f26d8535767a6f1d0b5d8d04e63 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956643.txt @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +----- +--- 21956643 +Is there anyway I can find what books my local bookstores sell? I want this book but I want it now and amazon will take weeks. Is there a website or something out there so I can find it if a nearby bookstore sells it so i can have it tomorrow? diff --git a/lit/21956715.txt b/lit/21956715.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c3865d90879928adf4b0b2ad4cbe66e8139f2f4c --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956715.txt @@ -0,0 +1,34 @@ +----- +--- 21956715 +“Naivety as a symptom of age is cured only by the ailment itself.” +Is this coherent? +English is not my first language. +Does this make sense? +Thank you +--- 21956719 +>>21956715 (OP) +It makes sense although it's fairly pretentious sounding +--- 21956726 +>>21956719 +Fuck, really? Okay thank you ahha +--- 21956741 +Symptom of age is a bit strange sounding to me +--- 21956752 +>>21956715 (OP) +HOLY SHIT. I read that book so many times as a kid, thank you so much anon i'll go call my mother and tell her that you posted this +>>21956719 +>>21956726 +Yes it sounds shit but don't worry, as you get better at the language you'll (hopefully) notice these things, best of luck +--- 21956772 +>>21956752 +>>21956741 +>>21956719 +Alright, I’ll delete it. +Thanks anons +--- 21956943 +My dad read this book to me as a kid. Shame some anons will never experience having a dad. +--- 21956961 +>>21956715 (OP) +>black character +>dropped +i refuse to humanize these animals to my children diff --git a/lit/21956732.txt b/lit/21956732.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1cea328dea310794343db64e6be1784be2fc8de7 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956732.txt @@ -0,0 +1,31 @@ +----- +--- 21956732 +Christanons, I have a question for you - does this GPT that I see advertised on 4chan explain the Bible correctly? +--- 21956802 +>>21956732 (OP) +I have no idea what this is but the Bible is the kind of thing that feels incredibly difficult if not impossible for AI to properly analyze. Bible verses are incredibly interconnected, yet through very broad strokes that require a lot of historical/literary context but also the ability to see similarities between both abstract concepts and imagery that uses lots of different wordings in different contexts. That's literally just not how AI spits shit out. +--- 21956872 +>avoid hell by having hell explain how to avoid hell +--- 21956926 +>>21956872 +Hell are other people +--- 21957138 +Chat GPT is heavily influenced by the devils who live inside of computers, you cannot trust them to tell you the truth about anything, especially not salvation +--- 21957251 +>>21956732 (OP) +Wasn't this a joke in something? +--- 21957723 +>>21956802 +>>21956732 (OP) +Because that's not how this 'AI' works, it literally just pulls from books and the internet and putting it all together and generating a response based on that. It doesn't have its own mind. So since there's an abundance of information on Christianity it's actually pretty good. It's useful as long as you read secondary literature alongside it such as Church Fathers commentaries. + +This output for example is on par with all study bibles, if not better. +--- 21957728 +>>21956732 (OP) +A perverse mockery. +--- 21957821 +>>21956732 (OP) +Unironocally this is so over +--- 21957840 +>>21956802 +You are a retard diff --git a/lit/21956759.txt b/lit/21956759.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..40ecc2316fb9b854bb27b38fbe842c7069b1e080 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956759.txt @@ -0,0 +1,28 @@ +----- +--- 21956759 +My bitch is making me pick at least one reading for our wedding. What would you choose? +--- 21956789 +>>21956759 (OP) +Sounds to me like you're the wife fella +--- 21956793 +>>21956759 (OP) +Read the torture chapter +--- 21956809 +>>21956759 (OP) +Read this excerpt (slightly edited so normies can understand) from Gravity’s Rainbow (since, you know, this is a Pynchon board) +>She is the warm that protects his stooping shoulders, and the wintering sparrow he holds inside his hands. She is his deepest innocence in spaces of bough and hay before wishes were given a separate name to warn that they might not come true. You go from dream to dream inside me. You have passage to my last shabby corner, and there, among the debris, you’ve found life. I’m no longer sure which of all the words, images, dreams or ghosts are ‘yours’ and which are ‘mine.’ It’s past sorting out. We’re both being someone new now, someone incredible… +--- 21956825 +>>21956809 +This is why I asked youse guys. Pinecone is a good choice. +--- 21956948 +>>21956759 (OP) +maybe something from the Amerinoid chapter in pic related +--- 21956957 +>>21956759 (OP) +1 Timothy 2.12 +--- 21956980 +>>21956759 (OP) +>Fuck, in one word, fuck: 'twas for that you were brought into the world; no limits to your pleasure save those of your strength and will; no exceptions as to place, to time, to partner; all the time, everywhere, every man has got to serve your pleasures; continence is an impossible virtue for which Nature, her rights violated, instantly punishes us with a thousand miseries. So long as the laws remain such as they are today, employ some discretion: loud opinion forces us to do so; but in privacy and silence let us compensate ourselves for that cruel chastity we are obliged to display in public. +>Let our young maiden strive to procure herself a companion who, unattached and abroad in the world, can secretly cause her to taste the world's pleasures; failing of that, let her contrive to seduce the Arguses posted round her; let her beg them to prostitute her, and promise them all the money they can earn from her sale; either those watchdogs alone, or the women they will find and whom one calls procuresses, will soon supply the little one's wants; then let her kick up the dust into the eyes of everyone at hand, brothers, cousins, friends, parents; let her give herself to everyone, if that is necessary to hide her conduct; let her even make the sacrifice, if 'tis required of her, of her tastes and affections; one intrigue which might displease her, and into which she would enter only for reasons of policy, will straightway lead her to another more agreeable; and there she is, launched. But let her not revert to her childhood prejudices; menaces, exhortations, duties, virtues, religion, advice, let her give not a damn for the one or the lot of them; let her stubbornly reject and despise all that which but tends to her reentry into thralldom, and all that which, in a word, does not hie her along the road to the depths of impudicity. +>‘Tis but folly in our parents when they foretell the disasters of a libertine career; there are thorns everywhere, but along the path of vice roses bloom above them; Nature causes none to smile along virtue's muddy track. Upon the former of the routes, the one snare to fear is men's opinion; but what mettlesome girl, with a little reflection, will not render herself superior to that contemptible opinion? The pleasures received through esteem, Eugénie, are nothing but moral pleasures, acceptable to none but certain minds; those of fuckery please all, and their winning characteristics soon eclipse the hallucinatory scorn from which escape is difficult when one flouts the public's views at which several cool‑headed women have so much laughed as therefrom to derive one pleasure the more. +>Fuck, Eugénie, fuck, my angel; your body is your own, yours alone; in all the world there is but yourself who has the right to enjoy it as you see fit. diff --git a/lit/21956773.txt b/lit/21956773.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9db4c20d0497f065e133142f8b572177dd3bbe5c --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956773.txt @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +----- +--- 21956773 +How do you achieve a beautiful death in the modern age? +--- 21956781 +>>21956773 (OP) +First you need to have lots of gay anal sex like pic rel +--- 21956783 +>>21956773 (OP) +Dying peacefully at 90-100 after a lifetime of good health. Oh, what... h-how to achieve that? I... uh... +--- 21956785 +>>21956773 (OP) +well you have to create a legacy first. and then kys suddenly +--- 21956852 +>>21956773 (OP) +Pic unrelated? +--- 21956865 +>>21956773 (OP) +Feel like you have to have a bad case of "theater kid brain" to care so much about your death being a spectacle. Just spend your last days having a grand time with your favorite people in your favorite place, telling stories and cooking and trying new things for the last time. +--- 21956883 +>>21956773 (OP) +A plane +--- 21956900 +>>21956773 (OP) + +Follow your CIA programming +--- 21956920 +Devote yourself to yogic practices based on the oral instructions of a qualified guru so that at the time of your death you can entire into tukdam and remain in meditation on the clear light of death and achieve Buddhahood +--- 21956922 +>>21956865 +Hang yourself +--- 21956925 +write well about important people and events +--- 21956939 +>>21956773 (OP) +weebs must aspire to literally anything outside of epcot japan bullshit +--- 21956965 +>>21956922 +you don't gotta worry you'll eat yourself to death long before shit catches up to me +--- 21957252 +>>21956865 +reddit faggot +--- 21957270 +>>21956865 +Plebeian. +--- 21957291 +>>21956773 (OP) +ecoterrorism +--- 21957360 +>>21956773 (OP) +Sky King. +--- 21957390 +>>21957252 +>>21957270 +sorry, is saying mean words on 4chan part of your plan to have a glorious death? or are you a tad hypocritical? +--- 21957396 +>>21957390 +Maybe he's trying to get you to kill yourself to see how you do it. If it truly is, in fact, a beautiful death. Or maybe you just blow your head off or jump off a building like a faggot. +--- 21957480 +>>21956865 +>be me +>90, about to die +>cook something new for the last time +>glaucoma, can’t read shit +>have to use text to speech +>first step: preheat a cast iron skillet +>get out my skillet from my garage, haven’t used it in 20 years +>nearly die getting it off a shelf +>weighs ten pounds +>start preheating it +>forget I have dementia +>grab hot pan without any protection +>it lands on my foot +>shatters all bones +>fall to the floor +>shit myself +>die +>neighbor listens to a text-to-speech recipe on a loop for 3 days before calling 911 +>meanwhile my body has rotted beyond recognition +Thanks Reddit! diff --git a/lit/21956810.txt b/lit/21956810.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..93983c09a4525e208fa37541f2e86735802fb9b3 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956810.txt @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +----- +--- 21956810 +I'm ashamed that I drunk drove last night. I'm trying out sobriety. Any novels involving alcoholism that would keep me on the wagon? +--- 21956837 +Bukowski makes me want to never drink again. +--- 21956843 +>>21956810 (OP) +There is a big book that they pass around at AA. I bet it's on libgen. +--- 21956849 +>>21956810 (OP) +Sherwood Anderson’s biography is right up your alley. He led a miserable life, partly due to alcoholism. As for fiction, Nelson Algren is perfect for you, especially A Walk on the Wild Side. Also, Graham Greene’s The Power and The Glory +--- 21956859 +>>21956810 (OP) +Infinite Jest. + +>>21956849 +>Power and the Glory + +Has it gotten any better since I read it? Because I remember it being pretty underwhelming. +--- 21956866 +>>21956859 +Read it at 18 then late last year at 30 and found it remarkably better than my first reading. +--- 21956876 +i think i might read under the volcano next. idk much about it other than the protagonist is a major dipsomaniac, it takes place in 1950s mexico city, and it's hella dense. +--- 21956878 +>>21956866 +I didn’t get it. I mean, I understood the message of the book, but the writing was average and there wasn’t much to the whole thing. I was interested in reading Greene because he was a contemporary of Evelyn Waugh and used similar themes. But if Power and the Glory represents Greene’s ability generally, I’d have to say it’s not impressive. Have you read any of his other books that were better? +--- 21956888 +>>21956876 +wait, no. apparently it takes place in cuauhnahuac in 1939. like i said i didn't read it yet. +--- 21956889 +>literally never driven a car when I wasn't stoned +--- 21956892 +>>21956878 +I have read everything by Greene. Power and Glory is different in style than his other works. P&G is also stylistically simple compared to his other books. What makes P&G powerful is the story, similar to The Road: in the face of overwhelming terror, death, and despair, you continue to move forward even if you know deep down where the road ends. +--- 21956916 +>>21956889 +I could never. But for some reason driving with my brother, I trust him more, driving stoned. +--- 21956936 +what books are you selling at gun shows, anon? +--- 21956945 +>>21956936 +Fuck off, wendy, you ugly cunt. +Advertising is against the rules +--- 21956951 +I get scared even driving sober how do people drunk drive and not freak out from the fact one slurred moment could get them killed +--- 21957029 +>>21956951 +>not freak out +liquid courage +--- 21957109 +>>21956810 (OP) + +Carr - easy way to quit drinking + +I did it after 10+ years of heavy drinking. You just stop wanting alcohol. You don't have to convince yourself not to eat shit or rat poison do you? Why not? Because you don't want it. Stop wanting alcohol. + +You exist as pure will. All you control is your action in the present moment. Everything else, every thought, is just a red herring or an excuse generated by your egoic mind. Your egoic mind wants alcohol. You don't. + +Read the power of now, too. +--- 21957255 +>>21956810 (OP) +The Lost Weekend + +https://youtu.be/ZR1YwKfWXfg [Embed] diff --git a/lit/21956899.txt b/lit/21956899.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..6473d102e0a90bd52dbeecf0c46b33472abb7c4c --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956899.txt @@ -0,0 +1,51 @@ +----- +--- 21956899 +>doing a group project with a girl +>finish working on it and are just kind of sitting around in the library +>end up talking about books +>she says she really enjoys reading Tolstoy and that he does a great job writing female characters +>she asks me if I've read anything interesting recently and I said I started reading Blood Meridian since I enjoyed Red Dead Redemption 2 and thought it might be similar +>she says she doesn't play video games but that maybe I could show her what the game is like sometime +>I say that I didn't bring my xbox to college +>she seems a little disappointed but says that she'd still like to see my dorm room +>I say no, there's nothing to do there since I don't have my xbox +>she just kind of stares at me for awhile without saying anything +>eventually I get uncomfortable and say I have to go do some homework and then leave +What is wrong with women? Why can't they understand simple statements? +--- 21956905 +>>21956899 (OP) +Despite this being fictitious, I still want to strangle you +--- 21956906 +>>21956899 (OP) +she's just sad you rejected her +--- 21956909 +>>21956906 +What? +>>21956905 +I really don't know what you're talking about +--- 21956921 +maybe become less of a debilitated porn junkie before you sound off, king +--- 21956931 +>>21956921 +i was just about to post how despite being off-topic and fake this was one of the few good threads but before i could even write one sentence the guy shilling his trash book popped in. this board is done. +--- 21957279 +Just ask her next time. Clean your room. +--- 21957408 +I hate women so much I want to kill myself. +--- 21957462 +>>21957408 +so you like men? fuckin gay +--- 21957530 +this is kinda low effort but I'm sure a handful of tourists will still fall for it +--- 21957543 +>>21956931 +hey anon, did you perchance star in that movie Tinker Tailor Soldier Faggot +--- 21957549 +>>21956899 (OP) +This is 100% fake, but I still want to punch you in your unbearably dense face. How anyone could fuck up to this magnitude is beyond me. +--- 21957586 +>>21956899 (OP) +--- 21957687 +>>21956905 +>>21957549 +Why angry? diff --git a/lit/21956917.txt b/lit/21956917.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..876234d5a5530549b70920bf3b65302908fd43d4 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956917.txt @@ -0,0 +1,32 @@ +----- +--- 21956917 +Someone want to share some remarks on the Tractatus? +--- 21956933 +>>21956917 (OP) +vitty was a wee bit droll desu. almost like his work requires powerpoint +--- 21956949 +>>21956917 (OP) +just climb the ladder once, and kick it away once you've got up it. +why talk about what can't be talked about, my man? +--- 21956950 +>>21956917 (OP) +I bought notebooks 1914-1916 and if has some more notes he Wrote to Russell and more in the appendedix. Sort of nice, I’m looking for a copy of his diary to pair with it and read simultaneous if anyone has a way to find it +--- 21956959 +>>21956917 (OP) +Wittgenstein is a literal cum dumpster +--- 21956963 +Him having his whole life inspired by Schopenhauer and then calling him an idiot and discarding him is possibly the most moody childish thing I have ever seen a philosopher do. + +Literally just cope the philosopher. +--- 21956966 +>>21956949 +There's still a chance to express ethical and aesthetic propositions. There's a distiction betweenc absolute and relative. He former is a change of attitude towars the world +--- 21956991 +>>21956963 +By the end of the 30s, he's still influenced by Schopenhauer (and Tolstoj). I suggest:The Ill-Will Against Time: Schopenhauer's Influence on Wittgenstein's Early Philosophy by D. A. Weiner +--- 21957001 +>>21956959 +Literally me. +--- 21957089 +>>21957001 +Kek what jew wrote this analysis diff --git a/lit/21956962.txt b/lit/21956962.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..6d6f32b47c3d515ce33d16af49b69bfa085ba436 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21956962.txt @@ -0,0 +1,60 @@ +----- +--- 21956962 +>As a student one of Dostoevsky’s favorite pastimes was to loiter near infamous suicide spots along the Neva River and attempt to dissuade the despondent from drowning themselves. He focused his efforts largely on prostitutes and other street women. + +>In the 1860s and early 1870s Dostoevsky frequently visited the women's wing of Obukhov Hospital in Saint Petersburg. Obukhov was what Russians then called a "locked hospital" and would be called a psychiatric hospital today. In a totally unofficial capacity he tended to the inmates, which ran the gamut from fallen noblewomen suffering from mental disorders to prostitutes ravaged by syphilis. He would bring them food and medicine, read to them and in one instance even arranged for a piano to be lent to the hospital for the benefit of a young woman who longed to play music again after five years in the institution. +--- 21956985 +sounds like someone who would write interesting novels desu +--- 21956996 +>>21956962 (OP) +woah, this explains a bit of crime and punishment. +--- 21956999 +>>21956996 +Which bit? +--- 21957021 +>>21956999 +the bit in which the criminal tell the suicidal not to punish himself +--- 21957043 +>prostitutes are.. le good? +--- 21957048 +contrast this with tolstoy, who pretended to befriend a terminally ill man so that he could watch him die, giving him material for his stories. +--- 21957104 +>>21957043 +--- 21957142 +>>21957048 +They're both based in their own unique way. +--- 21957197 +>>21956962 (OP) +Maybe he had the "I can fix her" mentality. +--- 21957357 +>>21956999 +This >>21957021 and the bit where he falls in love with a prostitute +--- 21957369 +soap opera +more like +simp opera +--- 21957391 +>>21956962 (OP) +He was getting pussy +--- 21957398 +>>21957391 +Indeed. Kindred spirit with DFW +--- 21957470 +>>21956962 (OP) +seeing someone beaten down recover and find their hope in life restored is one of the most rewarding things to witness in this life +--- 21957554 +>>21957048 +Tolstoy confessed to...just straight up murdering people for trivial reasons, right? Commoners cuz he was an aristocrat? IIRC it was more like hit man stuff, he had a servant do the deed +--- 21957656 +>>21957398 +Isn't this fake? +--- 21957695 +>>21957048 +Oh is that how he wrote that book then +--- 21957712 +>>21956962 (OP) +>>21957048 +uhhh... based?! +--- 21957718 +>>21956962 (OP) +What a coincidence. My favorite pasttime is going to suicide spots and telling hookers no one will ever love them, especially their unborn children. diff --git a/lit/21957020.txt b/lit/21957020.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..61363c3a23ba4f5ac98943f9c77fd0319f494fe5 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957020.txt @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ +----- +--- 21957020 +Any of you homos have a copy of History of the Italian Agricultural Landscape by Emilio Sereni? +--- 21957244 +>>21957020 (OP) +I don't but now I wish I did... diff --git a/lit/21957027.txt b/lit/21957027.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f9eacc73278b7b4657c9bfe373a191da4c316861 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957027.txt @@ -0,0 +1,10 @@ +----- +--- 21957027 +Which one is your favorite? Mine is picrel. +--- 21957227 +Same here. Is the return of tippy tinkletrousers good? That's where I left off +--- 21957366 +>>21957027 (OP) +No Contest +--- 21957817 +I stopped reading after Booger Part 2. How does the series go from there? diff --git a/lit/21957031.txt b/lit/21957031.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1388e153fdeb5caa3d220e1b81c7e194d594160b --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957031.txt @@ -0,0 +1,61 @@ +----- +--- 21957031 +>The struggle itself ... is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy +Is this the ultimate cope? +--- 21957058 +it's a short book and it still feels like a waste of time +--- 21957084 +>>21957031 (OP) +Happiness is not found in the attainment of a goal, but rather the process of attainment itself, the overcoming and improvement of the current circumstance, and not the circumstance itself. We evolved this way because it keeps us going even when things seem fine. That is why we are always doing something, even if’s just a cheap surrogate activity. +--- 21957086 +>>21957031 (OP) +nigger +--- 21957099 +>>21957084 +Do you think there is something outside of this gay substance? Id rather live as a different entity +--- 21957135 +>>21957099 +>Id rather live as a different entity +“I’m not powerful enough” + +If you’re weak then you are weak. Not everyone must confront these problems because they don’t even exist for some people. The feeling of a strong will, the realization that you sbape your environment to your needs and are able to get what you want, this is what you truly crave. +--- 21957189 +>>21957084 +>overcoming and improvement of the current circumstance +Except Sisyphus will never overcome or improve his current circumstance. +So the metaphor Camus uses is shitty and invalid +--- 21957194 +>>21957031 (OP) +>not imagining him happy +YOU MUST +https://rumble.com/v1mbza0-newspaperman-finds-a-friend.html +--- 21957219 +>>21957135 +This simple statement helped me more than a year of psychology. The root of my problems really is lack of power with a strong will. Thanks anon. +--- 21957648 +>>21957031 (OP) +In the book, he goes to great lengths in order to accuse Kierkegaard of having commited philosophical suicide, only for him to then propone a solution akin to philosophical Stockholm Syndrome. For this reason, Camus will always remain the most inept imbecile to me. He universalized his own particular perspective. Had he been born with a body like Sartre's, he would have never come to such an asinine conclusion. + +>One must imagine Sisyphus happy. +So one must forbid oneself from "falling prey" to theistic beliefs, but you absolutely MUST think that a situation as gruesome as Sisyphus' is conducive to happiness. What sounds like the bigger leap of faith now? I'd rather commit "philosophical suicide" than be a "philosophical cuck." Only an out of touch French intellectual, who uses his fame mainly to get a sniff of female genitalia could have written such a vapid book. +--- 21957666 +>>21957084 +This has nothing to do with Camus +--- 21957697 +>>21957648 +>He universalized his own particular perspective. Had he been born with a body like Sartre's, he would have never come to such an asinine conclusion. +Nailed it. Camus is the philosophical posterboy for this kind of dudebro myopia. +--- 21957729 +>>21957697 +Dudebro myopia is just about a pretty succint characterization of Camus. He's the kind of dullard who thought: +>Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Suffering Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Like The Struggle Like Nigga Become A Masochist Haha +and imagined himself to be some sort of philosophical genius of the likes like Nietzsche and Kierkegaard, which is so furiously hilarious, it borders on cheap comedy. + +The fact that he has become the philosopher of choice of all those TikTok zoomers tells you all you need to know about him. +--- 21957760 +>>21957729 +Imagine reading Shestov and walking away with you must le imagine le sisyphus le happy. +--- 21957798 +>>21957189 +none of us will ever overcome anything because there's nothing fundamentally meaningful about life; once you're done with one thing you focus on some other thing +the only way not to kill yourself when you realise all your life efforts amount to nothing at all is to seek meaning in the act of overcoming diff --git a/lit/21957059.txt b/lit/21957059.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4b2dcfe8488c3d7d5a0d3f9d1c06312936b89dd4 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957059.txt @@ -0,0 +1,8 @@ +----- +--- 21957059 +The real aim of all Indian schools and systems of Philosophy, whether atheistic or theistic, is to teach the means whereby eternal happiness can be attained before, as well as after, death. The Vedas say, “What has to be known is the Soul; it must be distinguished from nature, and hence it will never come again.” That means that it is exempt from metempsychosis and likewise from bodily form, so that it does not after death make its appearance in another body. This blessed condition therefore is, according to the Sanc'hya, a perfect and eternal release from every kind of ill. +--- 21957063 +no meme arrow so you're Hegel +--- 21957064 +>>21957063 +Yes diff --git a/lit/21957087.txt b/lit/21957087.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d4ed077426c2c2ac837d93aad64dead2227c9a16 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957087.txt @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +----- +--- 21957087 +Discuss +--- 21957206 +>>21957087 (OP) +>make this thread every few days +>get BTFO in 50 arguments and resort to spamming walls of text +>wait for it to get removed +>try again +why do you subject yourself to this humiliation. this word salad might fool lead-poisoned boomers but anyone with google can immediately realize that all this shit is the ramblings of a FOOL +--- 21957210 +>>21957087 (OP) + +the dude who wrote this is a literal retard +--- 21957259 +>>21957206 +please post the argument in which i or anyone else who argued in favor of the CTMU got "BTFO" +>>21957210 +this is a thread about the CTMU +--- 21957392 +>>21957259 +>i or anyone else +>anyone else +lol who are you fooling? im not posting shit for you but surely you can remember one of the million times this shit has been mocked here or anywhere else +--- 21957404 +Great, now, how do we test this? +--- 21957414 +Like Campbell's MBT, the CTMU is just another New Age Boomer variation of "We're all in a simulation broooooooo" - it has no practical dimension or predictive power. +--- 21957421 +>>21957414 +>it has no practical dimension or predictive power. +That's a good thing. If it had predictive power it would be falsifiable, and therefore false. +--- 21957423 +>>21957414 +--- 21957428 +>>21957421 +You really don't know how science works, do you? +--- 21957430 +>>21957428 +Who said anything about science? +--- 21957437 +>>21957430 +You admit this is pseudo science, then? +--- 21957439 +>>21957414 +this motherfucker raised like half a milli to do his retarded experiments and never did shit with it hahahah i love boomers so much what a hoot. i wonder how much money Langan has made off rubes with his bs +--- 21957440 +>>21957437 +Pseudo-science is something that pretends to be scientific. CTMU is metaphysical, and therefore non-scientific, not pseudoscientific. You wouldn't call mathematics a pseudoscience, would you? +--- 21957455 +>>21957392 +you still haven't pointed out where CTMU argumentation got "BTFO", yet supposedly there have been "one million" instances of it happening +--- 21957488 +>>21957440 +if it can't be used to create the new iphone or ps6 it's pseudoscience. that's how these people's brains work. they literally do not care about philosophical questions. they are happy too satisfied with their external affairs to care. +--- 21957685 +>>21957488 +>they literally do not care about philosophical questions +Yeah I literally do not care about the New Age ramblings of spaced out LSD and weed-fried Boomers. CTMU (and MBT) are not "philosophy" +--- 21957707 +>>21957685 +you are more than welcome to point out a flaw in the CTMU's reasoning, or if you claim it's unintelligible you are more than welcome to point out which words are unintelligible +--- 21957709 +>>21957707 +there's no reasoning it's gibberish +--- 21957727 +>>21957709 +so you can't even point to one thing that is wrong with the actual words on the paper, i'm so surprised. thanks for letting everyone know +--- 21957799 +>>21957440 +>therefore non-scientific, not pseudoscientific. You wouldn't call mathematics a pseudoscience, would you? +(nta) no, but not non-scientific either. Mathematicians pose conjectures that can certainly be falsified. Definitions can be shown to exclude important examples, eg in the old understanding of functions etc etc., that moves the theory forward without any need for practical applications. +The ctmu does not advance understanding of anything. At the very best it can be called a restatement of certain certain gnostic speculations in Langans private language. There have been dozens such restatements, and their philosophical added value is exactly zero. diff --git a/lit/21957145.txt b/lit/21957145.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5975f6c469a07d5e22735e1a550d88cdb648dd06 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957145.txt @@ -0,0 +1,27 @@ +----- +--- 21957145 +>Want to write literary fiction +>Know deep in my heart I'm only capable of writing genre fiction, and probably mediocre genre fiction at that + +What should I do? +--- 21957156 +>>21957145 (OP) +You should at least start writing instead of thinking about to write. +--- 21957169 +>>21957145 (OP) +I feel.you anon, I have a deep desire to get my feelings on the paper but.... you know how it is, fucking art. art is so great it's the only thing that can provide meaning to humans and I want that so bad +--- 21957202 +>>21957145 (OP) +Literary fiction is written by those that have lived lives. You need to live a life to actually write something neaningful about it. Writing gebre fiction anyway is a good start do by the time you do have sonething literary to write, you can. +--- 21957208 +>>21957145 (OP) +Literary fiction is just oppression olympics and roastie sex diaries nowadays. +--- 21957225 +>>21957145 (OP) +Try +--- 21957386 +>>21957145 (OP) +Just learn to write well. +--- 21957410 +>>21957386 +can you elaborate on that please diff --git a/lit/21957160.txt b/lit/21957160.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..af0dbe004aaf740701663c54de88ac3774d0aa9a --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957160.txt @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ +----- +--- 21957160 +Anyone else struggle to read without an audiobook? I typically pair an audiobook and the physical book, but when I read with the physical book alone I struggle to read more than 20 minutes straight, whereas paired with an audiobook I can finish books in whole days. +--- 21957164 +>>21957160 (OP) +That's bizarre and you could probably fix it with a bit of effort diff --git a/lit/21957220.txt b/lit/21957220.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..42d96c3230e1c58bd63c38289e3052ce2f60f1d8 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957220.txt @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +----- +--- 21957220 +is this true? +--- 21957231 +>>21957220 (OP) +yes +--- 21957237 +why do you act surprised? did you actually read nietzsche or just watch based youtubers summarize him? +--- 21957257 +>>21957220 (OP) +do you think she fucked him +--- 21957275 +>>21957257 +incest is reddit +--- 21957281 +>>21957220 (OP) +>he is le misunderstood +--- 21957286 +>>21957220 (OP) +not /lit/ + +>>>/his/ +>>>/pol/ +--- 21957299 +>>21957220 (OP) +the recent obsession with nietzche on this board really signals the drop in IQ on 4chan as a whole +--- 21957312 +>>21957299 +which philosopher would signal a rise in IQ? +--- 21957315 +>>21957312 +>>21957286 this +--- 21957317 +>>21957220 (OP) +Yes. +>>21957237 +He new. Probably underage. +>>21957299 +There’s nothing recent about it. He’s been well loved by /lit/ since the beginning. We had Ayn Rand as a bannable offense. Only after the Start with the Greeks age was snuffed out by the christian LARPers did we see Nietzsche-hate thread +--- 21957520 +>>21957317 +>We had Ayn Rand as a bannable offense +When was this? +--- 21957592 +>>21957312 +nta, but voltaire probably +--- 21957606 +>>21957220 (OP) +>>21957281 +>Incidentally, the whole problem of the Jews exists only within national states, inasmuch as their energy and higher intelligence, their capital of spirit and will, which accumulated from generation to generation in the long school of their suffering, must predominate to a degree that awakens envy and hatred; and so, in the literature of nearly all present-day nations (and, in fact, in proportion to their renewed nationalistic behavior), there is an increase in the literary misconduct that leads the Jews to the slaughterhouse, as scapegoats for every possible public and private misfortune. As soon as it is no longer a matter of preserving nations, but rather of producing the strongest possible mixed European race, the Jew becomes as useful and desirable an ingredient as any other national quantity. Every nation, every man has disagreeable, even dangerous characteristics; it is cruel to demand that the Jew should be an exception. Those characteristics may even be especially dangerous and frightful in him, and perhaps the youthful Jew of the stock exchange is the most repugnant invention of the whole human race. Nevertheless, I would like to know how much one must excuse in the overall accounting of a people which, not without guilt on all our parts, has had the most sorrowful history of all peoples, and to whom we owe the noblest human being (Christ), the purest philosopher (Spinoza), the mightiest book, and the most effective moral code in the world. +Human, All Too Human 475 + +>I like not, again, these newest speculators in idealism, the Anti-Semites, who nowadays roll their eyes in the patent Christian-Aryan-man-of-honour fashion, and by an abuse of moralist attitudes and agitation dodges, so cheap as to exhaust any patience, strive to excite all the blockhead elements in the populace (the invariable success of every kind of intellectual charlatanism in present-day Germany hangs together with the almost indisputable and already quite palpable desolation of the German mind, whose cause I look for in a too exclusive diet, of papers, politics, beer, and Wagnerian music, not forgetting the condition precedent of this diet, the national exclusiveness and vanity, the strong but narrow principle, "Germany, Germany above everything," and finally the paralysis agitans of "modern ideas"). +Genealogy of Morals essay 3 paragraph 26 +--- 21957612 +>It is certain that the Jews, if they desired—or if they were driven to it, as the anti-Semites seem to wish—COULD now have the ascendancy, nay, literally the supremacy, over Europe, that they are NOT working and planning for that end is equally certain. Meanwhile, they rather wish and desire, even somewhat importunely, to be insorbed and absorbed by Europe, they long to be finally settled, authorized, and respected somewhere, and wish to put an end to the nomadic life, to the "wandering Jew",—and one should certainly take account of this impulse and tendency, and MAKE ADVANCES to it (it possibly betokens a mitigation of the Jewish instincts) for which purpose it would perhaps be useful and fair to banish the anti-Semitic bawlers out of the country. +Beyond Good and Evil Chapter 8 + +>“This is our conviction: we confess it to the whole world, we live and die for it,—let us respect every thing that has a conviction!”—I have actually heard antisemites speak in this way. On the contrary, my dear sirs! An antisemite does not become the least bit more respectable because he lies on principle.... +Antichrist 55 + +>All anti-Semites ought to be shot +Scribble on a postcard +--- 21957614 +>>21957606 +You misunderstood him. +--- 21957622 +>>21957614 +How so +--- 21957626 +>>21957220 (OP) +Why do people always hate the jews? +--- 21957629 +>>21957626 +Same reason everyone hates white people +--- 21957638 +>>21957220 (OP) +One of my favorite features of Nietzsche is that it is completely impossible to speak with other people about him, because they will invariably have facile understandings of him (I do not presume I am different), rendering such communication inert and frustrating. This is a function of his superficial lack of consistency. It is also what secures that Nietzsche has the exact reception he would want, where it must be an individual undertaking to read and understand Nietzsche, and that such a thing as "Nietzscheans", which he would detest, can never form a herd. +It's a stroke of underappreciated genius on his part. + +>>21957317 +>Only after the Start with the Greeks age was snuffed out by the christian LARPers did we see Nietzsche-hate thread +I don't even mind the christfags we used to have, that could at least have a coherent discussion on philosophy, nowadays it's literal 19 year old larpers trying such horse-shit juvenile arguments like "no christian god = no morality" and fail to realize and afterwards refuse to acknowledge that this particular position has been shat on continuously for 2500 years of western intellectual history. +--- 21957670 +>>21957275 +eh, I dunno about that. +--- 21957672 +>>21957592 +hell no +--- 21957673 +>>21957220 (OP) +>be playing fortnite +>say the n-word 109 times +>banned +>oh sorry, that was my sister. Can you unban me? diff --git a/lit/21957222.txt b/lit/21957222.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c6cccbb21fa5d44be0ae30e34ac6f3b3b25612ea --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957222.txt @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@ +----- +--- 21957222 +Anyone else pronounce the v as an english v instead of a w when they're reading latin even though they're not sposed'ta? +--- 21957512 +>>21957222 (OP) +Sol Inwictus :( +--- 21957534 +>>21957222 (OP) +it's not a W, it's U (oo) pronounced quickly. diff --git a/lit/21957287.txt b/lit/21957287.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d9bc10b0b6175486208786c05395b40859554449 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957287.txt @@ -0,0 +1,41 @@ +----- +--- 21957287 +>[Balzac] then rose and wrote for many hours, fueled by innumerable cups of black coffee. He often worked for fifteen hours or more at a stretch; he claimed to have once worked for 48 hours with only three hours of rest in the middle. +--- 21957316 +>>21957287 (OP) +This + his edging make me thankful he lived in a time before internet. He would be a gooner junkie now. +--- 21957355 +>>21957287 (OP) +They do, but it's people who are working three jobs to make ends meet. +--- 21957373 +>>21957355 +Those plebs should just live in debt and become writers like Balzac did. +--- 21957446 +Yeah but how much of it wasn't schizo ramblings +--- 21957503 +>>21957446 +Most of his novels, especially for the first half of his life, don't even contain his philosophical nor spiritual views at all. They're noted for "realism" and having a strong sense of characters/objects/place. +--- 21957528 +>>21957287 (OP) +They do, but today these people work some soulless, materialistic corporate job. +>>21957446 +Some short stories and novels are quite out there. +--- 21957544 +>>21957528 +>They do, but today these people work some soulless, materialistic corporate job. +They can save up cash after like two years and then just write, coasting on their success. Stop being stupid. No one in the contemporary period gives a shit about being the most prolific writer. +--- 21957624 +>>21957373 +they shoot reaction videos and re-record rants + +Balzac is fine, but he did churn out a lot of total shite along with the good stuff like Cousin Bette +--- 21957663 +>>21957624 +>a lot of total shite +He didn't write any "shite", it's mediocre at worst. +--- 21957668 +>>21957544 +>They can save up cash after like two years and then just write, coasting on their success +"They can" doesn't mean they do. Times and attitudes have changed. +>No one in the contemporary period gives a shit about being the most prolific writer. +Exactly, because their goals are soulless and materialistic. diff --git a/lit/21957309.txt b/lit/21957309.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..925c2f3462c7ccfcee7015b04d98527cd768b2c0 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957309.txt @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ +----- +--- 21957309 +Why is cosmic horror seen as "Lovecraftian" when Lovecraft himself didn't even pioneer the genre? +--- 21957313 +>>21957309 (OP) +Because he did it bigly. diff --git a/lit/21957327.txt b/lit/21957327.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0e14ac247462b897a8ef1a12d41528a34d00052e --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957327.txt @@ -0,0 +1,51 @@ +----- +--- 21957327 +classic shit talk. + +some personal favorites to start: + +>Fouquier-Tinville was a ghoul, but what is your opinion of Lamoignon-Bâville? +>Les Miserables + +>Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law? +>Acts 23:3 KJV + +>And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked. +>1 Kings 18:27 +--- 21957353 +This is what immediately comes to mind. + +>Sultan Mehmed IV to the Zaporozhian Cossacks: + +As the Sultan; son of Muhammad; brother of the sun and moon; grandson and viceroy of God; ruler of the kingdoms of Macedonia, Babylon, Jerusalem, Upper and Lower Egypt; emperor of emperors; sovereign of sovereigns; extraordinary knight, never defeated; steadfast guardian of the tomb of Jesus Christ; trustee chosen by God Himself; the hope and comfort of Muslims; confounder and great defender of Christians - I command you, the Zaporogian Cossacks, to submit to me voluntarily and without any resistance, and to desist from troubling me with your attacks. +>--Turkish Sultan Mehmed IV + +>The Cossacks' reply came as a stream of invective and vulgar rhymes, parodying the Sultan's titles: +>Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Turkish Sultan! + +O sultan, Turkish devil and damned devil's kith and kin, secretary to Lucifer himself. What the devil kind of knight are thou, that canst not slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? The devil shits, and your army eats. Thou shalt not, thou son of a whore, make subjects of Christian sons; we have no fear of your army, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, fuck thy mother. + +Thou Babylonian scullion, Macedonian wheelwright, brewer of Jerusalem, goat-fucker of Alexandria, swineherd of Greater and Lesser Egypt, pig of Armenia, Podolian thief, catamite of Tartary, hangman of Kamyanets, and fool of all the world and underworld, an idiot before God, grandson of the Serpent, and the crick in our dick. Pig's snout, mare's arse, slaughterhouse cur, unchristened brow, screw thine own mother! + +So the Zaporozhians declare, you lowlife. You won't even be herding pigs for the Christians. Now we'll conclude, for we don't know the date and don't own a calendar; the moon's in the sky, the year with the Lord, the day's the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse! + +>--Koshovyi otaman Ivan Sirko, with the whole Zaporozhian Host. +--- 21957363 +>>21957353 +Also forgot pic of these lads coming up with that letter +--- 21957389 +For me it's Dostoyevsky + +“He was one of the numerous and varied legion of dullards, of half-animated abortions, conceited, half-educated coxcombs, who attach themselves to the idea most in fashion only to vulgarize it and who caricature every cause they serve, however sincerely.” +--- 21957422 +>>21957327 (OP) +haha do you even read, bro? +--- 21957443 +>>21957422 +as little as possible +--- 21957449 +>>21957353 +not sure this would work on the playground +--- 21957767 +>>21957327 (OP) +Not exactly an insult I guess but I like how the interlocutor Socrates completely destroys is named "Euthyphro." It roughly translates as "clear thinker" or more like "Mr. know it all" in classical Greek.The man's very name is an insult itself to his preposterous, circular reasoning. diff --git a/lit/21957349.txt b/lit/21957349.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..083342da96a8c848c981beee2948aa18a9d9093c --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957349.txt @@ -0,0 +1,257 @@ +----- +--- 21957349 +In Eden's garden, so pure and so bright, +The serpent did slither, in the shadows of night. +He tempted Eve, with fruit so fair, +And told her lies, with cunning care. + +She ate the fruit, and then did share, +With Adam, her husband, who was also there. +Their eyes were opened, and they saw their shame, +And fear and guilt, became their new name. + +God came to them, and asked them why, +They hid themselves, and did not come nigh. +They confessed their sin, and felt great remorse, +For they had disobeyed, and taken a wrongful course. + +God cursed the serpent, and said to him, +On thy belly thou shalt go, and thy head shalt be dim. +To the woman, He said, in sorrow thou shalt bear, +And to the man, He said, by the sweat of thy brow, shalt thou fare. + +God cast them out, from Eden's land, +And gave them coats, to cover their shame and stand. +And from that day, sin did reign, +And the world was never, quite the same again. + +But God, in His mercy, had a plan in mind, +To send a savior, to all mankind. +For in the midst of sin and strife, +He would bring hope and eternal life. + +So let us remember, the story of Eve, +And the sin that caused us all to grieve. +For in God's grace, we can be restored, +And through Christ, we can live forevermore. +--- 21957364 +In the dawn of time, two sons were born, +Cain and Abel, to Adam, their father adorned. +Cain worked the fields, and Abel the flocks, +And both brought offerings, to God, their rocks. + +Abel's was accepted, but Cain's was not, +And jealousy grew, in his heart so hot. +God warned him, to control his sin, +But Cain ignored, and killed his kin. + +The Lord asked, "Where is Abel, your brother?" +And Cain replied, with a lie to smother, +"Am I my brother's keeper?" he said, +And guilt consumed him, like a fiery thread. + +God cursed him, for his wicked deed, +And sent him away, with no reprieve. +But even then, God showed him grace, +And put a mark on him, to shield his face. + +From this story, we can learn, +That jealousy can cause us to burn. +We must control, our anger and hate, +And trust in God, before it's too late. +--- 21957382 +Stephen stood before the crowd, +His faith in Christ proclaimed aloud. +He spoke of Abraham and Moses, too, +And how God's plan would always come through. + +With boldness and courage, he shared the truth, +Of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, in sooth. +But his words were met with anger and scorn, +And Stephen knew his fate was now forewarned. + +They dragged him out, and stoned him there, +With rocks and stones, they did not care. +But as he died, he prayed for them, +Forgiving those who had condemned. + +In Acts 7, we see the cost, +Of speaking out, no matter the loss. +Stephen's witness, a powerful sight, +To follow Christ, with all his might. + +And though his earthly life was taken away, +His faith and testimony still shine today. +For in his death, we see the grace, +Of Christ, who leads us to a better place. +--- 21957387 +Oh, hear the tale of King Nebuchadnezzar, +Whose pride and ego caused him great disaster. +He dreamed a dream that troubled his mind, +And Daniel the prophet was sought to find. + +The tree that Nebuchadnezzar saw, +Was so great and tall, without any flaw. +Its branches reached out to the sky, +And birds and beasts could safely fly by. + +But then a holy watcher did decree, +That the tree must fall, and this would be. +Its leaves would wither, and its fruit would die, +And the beasts and birds would surely cry. + +Daniel interpreted the dream with care, +And warned the king of his impending despair. +He must turn away from his wicked ways, +Or suffer the consequences, until the end of his days. + +But the king, proud and full of might, +Ignored the warning, and chose to fight. +He walked upon his palace, and proudly did declare, +"Is not this great Babylon, that I have built and made, by my own might and care?" + +But the voice of God, came from on high, +And Nebuchadnezzar lost his mind's eye. +He ate grass like the beasts of the field, +Until his mind and heart were fully healed. + +And so the tale of Nebuchadnezzar, +Teaches us all to be humble and fair. +For pride and ego, will surely fall, +And only a humble heart, can conquer all. +--- 21957417 +In Sinai's desert, Moses stood, +A shepherd, tending his flock for good. +When lo, he saw a wondrous sight, +A bush, aglow with heavenly light. + +Yet though it burned, it was not consumed, +A miracle, so strange and assumed. +And from that bush, a voice did call, +"Take off thy shoes, for thou art on holy ground, after all." + +For Moses stood before the Lord, +The God of Abraham, Isaac, adored. +And from that bush, the Lord did speak, +"Go, and lead my people, for freedom seek." + +But Moses, afraid and full of doubt, +Said, "Who am I, to lead them out?" +And God replied, with power and might, +"I am with thee, day and night." + +And so, with staff in hand, he went, +To Pharaoh's court, with firm intent. +To free his people, from bondage dire, +And lead them out, with holy fire. + +For from that bush, a message clear, +That God's presence, is always near. +And though we may be afraid and frail, +His strength and power, shall never fail. +--- 21957419 +In Egypt's land, where Pharaoh reigned, +God sent his plagues, to be sustained. +Ten in number, they did come, +To break the pride, of Pharaoh's kingdom. + +The Nile did turn, to blood red, +A sign of judgment, justly said. +And then came frogs, in multitudes, +A plague that brought, distress and feuds. + +Next came gnats, and then came flies, +And Pharaoh's heart, grew cold as ice. +His people suffered, in misery, +But still he held, to his treachery. + +The livestock died, by pestilence, +A plague of death, without repentance. +Then came boils, and then came hail, +But Pharaoh's heart, did still prevail. + +The locusts came, to devour the land, +And darkness fell, by God's command. +But still, Pharaoh would not relent, +His heart was hard, and stubborn bent. + +And so, the final plague was given, +The firstborn son, of each house, stricken. +But Israel, who followed God's way, +Were saved by blood, on that fateful day. + +For through these plagues, God made it clear, +That he alone, is to be revered. +And though we may, be proud and bold, +His judgments come, to make us whole. +--- 21957424 +The walls of Jericho stood tall and proud, +A fortress strong, unbreakable, endowed. +But Joshua and his army knew their fate, +And marched around the walls, with faith so great. + +For seven days they walked, without a sound, +With trumpets blaring, and feet on the ground. +And on the seventh day, with a mighty roar, +The walls of Jericho fell to the floor. + +The people cried out, in fear and dread, +As Joshua's army conquered their stead. +They burned the city, and left it in ruins, +And showed their power, in glorious exhumation. + +The fall of Jericho, a lesson to learn, +That faith in God, can make walls turn. +For when we trust in Him, with all our might, +The strongest walls, will crumble in sight. + +So let us take, this ancient tale to heart, +And know that with God, we'll never fall apart. +For when we walk with Him, with faith so true, +He'll lead us through, to victory anew. +--- 21957436 +In the heat of summer's day, +David's eyes did chance to stray, +Upon a woman bathed in light, +Bathing in her courtyard bright. + +Bathsheba, fairest of them all, +Her beauty did his heart enthrall, +And though he knew her as Uriah's wife, +David was consumed with forbidden life. + +He sent for her and lay with her, +A secret tryst that would soon stir, +A chain of events that could not be undone, +A path to heartache and sin he had begun. + +Bathsheba soon revealed with child, +And David's plan to cover it was wild, +He called Uriah back from the fight, +Hoping he'd spend the night with his wife. + +But Uriah was a loyal man, +Refusing to break his army's plan, +So David sent him to his death, +And took Bathsheba as his own with each breath. + +The Lord's anger was kindled hot, +And David knew he had been caught, +He repented with a broken heart, +And asked forgiveness for his part. + +Though the consequences were severe, +David's faith in God remained clear, +He knew the error of his way, +And in repentance found a brighter day. + +So let us learn from David's fall, +To heed the voice that guides us all, +And when temptation comes our way, +To choose the righteous path each day. +--- 21957472 +>>>/g/ +--- 21957613 +Cringe +--- 21957699 +This is what NPCs find entertaining diff --git a/lit/21957378.txt b/lit/21957378.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e44971688da3dd8f6c3092433b18429698418e0f --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957378.txt @@ -0,0 +1,21 @@ +----- +--- 21957378 +I'm serious. Life is only once and I got nothing much to do. So I would like to dedicate my life for wealth. +Donald Trump's books pretty much more or less helps. The Great Gatsby book also help me understand the inner workings of the minds of people who fancy high quality things. +Anything else I miss? +--- 21957680 +Please help me :3 +--- 21957690 +>>21957378 (OP) +Aim for being as rich as Gatsby from Blood Meridian. Much more attainable. +--- 21957698 +>>21957378 (OP) +No. Unless you already have a head start in some capacity, you're fucked and it'll take every second of your life to actually get close to being rich. + +Or go to med school and become a doctor, and hope you're lucky. +--- 21957720 +>>21957698 +Hmm I am academically capable +--- 21957828 +>>21957720 +Oh to be 12 again diff --git a/lit/21957478.txt b/lit/21957478.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..01a31054bee451b596203a40deb5dffcc280e71d --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957478.txt @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +----- +--- 21957478 +What are the philosophical implications of the book? +--- 21957485 +>>21957478 (OP) + +not /lit/ + +>>>/his/ +--- 21957578 +>>21957478 (OP) +None whatsoever. +--- 21957681 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIkyqLDl9M [Embed] +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQOwG-hcd_k [Embed] +--- 21957711 +>>21957478 (OP) +https://philarchive.org/archive/GOOHLA-2 +--- 21957716 +That math is logical and numbers can exist and also that one plus one is two +--- 21957813 +>>21957478 (OP) +>math is... LE GOOD diff --git a/lit/21957479.txt b/lit/21957479.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..656e1d373ca0537bea00f604e8281e65cf85ff53 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957479.txt @@ -0,0 +1,5 @@ +----- +--- 21957479 +Enough Atlas Shrugged posts. Give us your thoughts about The Fountainhead. +--- 21957601 +For what it's worth I think the movie is better. diff --git a/lit/21957588.txt b/lit/21957588.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d4ae142bcaea2e99c34ed5957b7914edf1c0bb1b --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957588.txt @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +----- +--- 21957602 +>>21957588 (OP) +imagine creating a low effort thread +--- 21957615 +>>21957602 +Imagine responding to L.E.T. diff --git a/lit/21957635.txt b/lit/21957635.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..706fb4be244f42a4983cee8c4131ffade92016ae --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957635.txt @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +----- +--- 21957635 +I've previously posted the first complete chapter of my novel on /lit/ before. Now I want to repost it again for new eyes to give advice. + +https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mDx9Leff0Wt7y3Fm1KLC9C1XPAODfS6h/view?usp=drivesdk + +A fair and honest critique is warranted; for the sake of my writing. +--- 21957639 +>>21957635 (OP) +You try to hard with the prose. +--- 21957731 +>>21957639 +What makes the prose hard? Any examples? +--- 21957736 +>>21957731 +Not really examples, but right in the first paragraph, it reads as if fractured. Then suddenly switches to smooth, then 'jagged' again. +Maybe it's just me, but it feels inconsistent. +--- 21957750 +>>21957736 +Well it's my first novel; so it's not perfect by any means. Since its highly experimental; styles will change a bit from paragraph to paragraph. So the prose isn't going to be consistent by any means; but what do you think about it story wise? +--- 21957757 +>>21957635 (OP) + +I'm down for your being brave in writing, but there are bits which seem accidentally unclear. + +> Down on a metal table, a scrap of yellowed paper laid on top. + +What's down? + +> he turned his attention to the window of his bedroom. There laid the piece of steel +removed from the window stool which the Writer pried open. + +"Laid" is an active verb, not the past of "lay". Honestly I have no idea what this even means. + +> came bouncing off inside + +Huh? + +> A void materialized within his conscious wits. + +No. + +Also, it feels like you start with a basic image, livened up by a little bit of tension (he's writing, then forgetting) but immediately throw the tension aside to stare out of the window +--- 21957777 +The other anon is right. You try too hard at times. Let's look at the first paragraph (because I'm sorry, I only skimmed the rest). Good use of techniques, like short staccatto sentences, working detail into a mundane act which introduces the topic of the piece. The way you've spaced things is creative. +But it doesn't feel natural. It feels fake. Like you've gone through a checklist of things you need to include and strung them together. + +Example: +>Steadily his conscious mind descended back down to his otherworldly bliss. +Cut the fat out of this sentence and you're left with nothing. You're mixing higher register phrases ("steadily his conscious mind descended") and quite informal phrases ("back down"). In fact, "back down" is unnecesary in this sentence. You can see a lot of these unnecesary features. You can see a lot of these jarring embellishments. +My advice, especially for the first paragraph: Strip it down to nothing but what's neccesary. If it makes sense without it, delete it. Then rewrite it using your new anorexic paragraph as a frame. Don't worry about adding what you think will elevate it, just make it sound natural. + +It needs big proofreading. +Have someone read through it and circle everything that doesn't work. "Trembling, not knowing what he did." just does not work. Gramatically or in a more free form piece, it's just bad. +And stop fucking repeating yourself. It pisses me off seeing you start a sentence with "quickly, he" three times on one page. And please rearrange your sentences or something, reading "the Writer [verb]" over and over is frustrating. And stop using "he" over and over. It's frustrating. + +You've shown you know plenty of good writing techniques and can structure a narrative well, so you're way ahead of many writers in that way. Hell, even the fact that you're writing makes you much better than me. But for gods sake read your writing and think to yourself, would I want to put these words through my eyes? + +And seriously? You haven't developed this at all in at least two months since you posted it on the 27th of Feb? Shame on you. Fix it before you post again or whenever I see you post it I'll just call you a retard and other personal attacks. +--- 21957787 +>>21957757 +The first few paragraphs of my first chapter are a complete mess and I'm aware of it. I always thought that they read strange. I would like to refine those first few paragraphs a bit more in the future. + +>What's down? + +A scrap of paper? + +>"Laid" is an active verb, not the past of "lay". Honestly I have no idea what this even means. + +Worst part of the chapter by far. I still need to find a way to word this situation or maybe replace it with something else entirely. + +>No. + +Needs to be reworded like the rest of the sentences. + +>Huh? + +Light is bouncing inside the MC's eyes. I will probably reword that part since it does sound strange. + +>Also, it feels like you start with a basic image, livened up by a little bit of tension (he's writing, then forgetting) but immediately throw the tension aside to stare out of the window + +I'm still trying to get the feel of this character; since he lives in an isolated dystopian society I want him to act completely abnormal and strange. +--- 21957805 +>>21957777 +I've been very lazy (I've been working on the second chapter) and everyone was probably being too nice on my writing because many thought that my writing was great, even my personal friends. I never had anyone who felt the need to actually rip apart my first chapter. Which is great because now I'll know better not to fill my work with filler. + +Thank you for telling me the truth! +--- 21957820 +>>21957805 +But I've also noticed that these have been critiques of my first two pages; which I'm aware are shit. Any thoughts beyond those two? diff --git a/lit/21957640.txt b/lit/21957640.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..84f93c63a8f6621523144daa2594ce245b14af87 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957640.txt @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@ +----- +--- 21957640 +Has anyone read Zizek's serious works? Are they the cutting edge of philosophy? +--- 21957645 +>>21957640 (OP) +>>>/his/ +--- 21957796 +>>21957640 (OP) +I've tried reading some of this and the Sublime Object of Ideology. They're much more difficult to read than How to Read Lacan. However, I've recently received my copy of Ecrits and decided to read Lacan first hand first. diff --git a/lit/21957647.txt b/lit/21957647.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9c7c562263bae53a1c6dbdbe90846388a6b15e31 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957647.txt @@ -0,0 +1,49 @@ +----- +--- 21957647 +How does he do it? +--- 21957652 +>>21957647 (OP) +>King +Formerly, drugs and booze. Currently, habit and persistence. +>Martin +Procrastination. +--- 21957653 +>>21957647 (OP) +Writing is fucking easy. + +Getting anyone to read your shit? MUCH harder. +--- 21957660 +King's work is simple. Create situation, drop character into it, expand on character to make him likable, and follow a logical progression from A to B to C in the tired three act structure used by all Hollywood. Any retard can do that. That's why you can create a "What if ... X ... and it kills!" sentence to define all King's major premises in regards to his novels. Martin's work is also simple, but he has the problem of building a world around his characters, and setting them up in Machiavellian political situations. That takes a little more thought. Not much, though. Martin doesn't have King's ability to shit out commercial prose at a fast pace, but King only did that while on cocaine and various other drugs. King tries to write fast now, but he can't do it with the same competence (I use that word loosely) as he did in the past. Also, King had his clock cleaned by a van in the nineties. Though Martin's brain is riddled with retardation from years of ingesting transfats and sugars. So, that's how they do--and don't do--it. +--- 21957665 +>>21957660 +>Also, King had his clock cleaned by a van in the nineties + +Dreamcatcher, the book he wrote while in the hospital recovering from this, is batshit insane as a result. +--- 21957676 +>>21957665 +probably that was the result of the last of his braincells that knew how to write dying off +--- 21957682 +>>21957676 +I'd argue it was probably more due to the insanely heavy-duty painkillers he was on through the whole process. +--- 21957686 +>>21957682 +kek that would do it. But then what is Martin's excuse. The "then she shat water" and all that. +--- 21957689 +>>21957647 (OP) +he read european history and made up stories on his youth about boats that would come to port so he had early development in creativity, doesn't take a genius to alter historical events and to write a cohesive story with that, and his "understands women" is literally him writing what women want to be seen as instead of what women are and justifying them with POV chapters like he does with every character, revolutionary writing anna karenina would be proud +--- 21957693 +>>21957665 +>Dreamcacther +>batshit insane +It's meh. It never reached the heights of pure insanity King scaled in this MASTERPIECE novel. This book is so demented, King himself is embarrassed about it (he shouldn't be, it's among his best if going by pure intensity). +--- 21957696 +>>21957693 +I think King said this is a good 300 page novel crammed into a 600 page book. +I think he also said it was his subconscious crying out for help. +--- 21957713 +>>21957696 +>I think he also said it was his subconscious crying out for help. +Yes and it's delectable +--- 21957732 +>>21957693 +Isnt it just Lovecraft's Color Out of Space? I'd be embarassed to if I ripped off someone's story so blatantly. diff --git a/lit/21957659.txt b/lit/21957659.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5671869701c5455468915445a14a5bcca3c5300e --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957659.txt @@ -0,0 +1,10 @@ +----- +--- 21957659 +Hi, could somebody recommend me a book about the seasons? Mainly spring? I want a work that literally explains what happens in the spring, what type of flowers grow, what animals go or return, and a huge bonus would be if there are some ancient traditions associated with it. +--- 21957669 +>>21957659 (OP) +Just listen to Vivaldi's Spring while looking at Botticelli's Primavera. You'll understand everything. +--- 21957677 +>>21957669 +>Just listen to Vivaldi's Spring while looking at Botticelli's Primavera. You'll understand everything. +Good answer, and I will do that, but I would still like a book. diff --git a/lit/21957701.txt b/lit/21957701.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..92cef5914d0286529dd858e041d309e890746875 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957701.txt @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +----- +--- 21957701 +Thoughts on my boyfriends skincare routine that I found on his computer lmfao +--- 21957704 +>>21957701 (OP) +there is an idea of a Boyfriend, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real man, only an entity, something illusory, and though it can hide his cold gaze and you can shake its hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense your lifestyles are probably comparable: he simply is not there. +--- 21957705 +>/lit/ - Literature +--- 21957710 +>>21957701 (OP) +>tretinoin +--- 21957714 +>>21957701 (OP) +how soft is his skin.. does it feel good to touch.. +--- 21957725 +>>21957701 (OP) +Wow. Tell your bf people of 4chan says thank you. +We will now have awesome skin and girlfriends +--- 21957740 +that disqualifies him from being a proletarian +--- 21957831 +>>21957710 +cmd opening and closing when you start a program doesn’t mean anything in particular, it can be perfectly normal diff --git a/lit/21957722.txt b/lit/21957722.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b3cec30b50bbd77ba685867875c8cabe49744256 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957722.txt @@ -0,0 +1,49 @@ +----- +--- 21957722 +>In the past century, when the School was labouring under the full incubus of pedantry and what we now call "Zopf" ("pigtail"), there evolved from it a Winckelmann, a Lessing, Wieland, and a Goethe. When Lessing cast himself upon the Theatre, he was excommunicated by the School: yet Lessing, of all men, is quite unthinkable without the education he received in just that School. Rightly enough: for that School still clove to the classic principle of Humanism, whence had issued the great figures, and great movements of the era of Rebirth and Reformation. Greek and Roman classics formed the ground work of these schools, in which the purely utilitarian was as good as unknown, or not yet advocated. Despite the character of utter dryness and sterility that necessarily stamped itself upon classical studies in the days of the German spirit's deepest decline, through their lack of any living fecundation from just that spirit, the Schools at least maintained alive the source of all fair humanising culture of more recent times; in a similar, though converse, fashion as the Mastersingers of Nuremburg, at the prime of classic Humanism, preserved for the eye of genius the old-German mode of poetry. It was a time of fairest hope, when Goethe, nursed in that school of Classic pedantry, sang his stalwart praises of the scoffed-at and forgotten Hans Sachs; when he triumphantly expounded Erwin's Strassburg minster to the world,—when the spirit of old Classicism took fresh life unto itself from the poet-warmth of our great masters, and from the stage the "Bride of Messina" re-illumed in age and youth the study of the mighty Greeks. Then 'twas no shame for the School, to go hand in hand with the Theatre: the teacher knew that what his pupils could not learn from him, they there would learn, and with him—noble, vibrant warmth in the judgment of those great problems of life to which the pupil was then brought up. +--- 21957724 +>Here came to consciousness and received its plain expression, what German is: to wit, the thing one does for its own sake, for very joy of doing it; whereas Utilitarianism, namely the principle whereby a thing is done for sake of some personal end, ulterior to the thing itself, was shewn to be un-German. The German virtue herein expressed thus coincided with the highest principle of aesthetics, through it perceived, according to which the 'objectless' (das Zwecklose) alone is beautiful, because, being an end (Zweck) in itself, in revealing its nature as lifted high above all vulgar ends it reveals at like time that to reach whose sight and knowledge alone makes ends of life worth following; whereas everything that serves an end is hideous, because neither its fashioner nor its onlooker can have aught before him save a disquieting conglomerate of fragmentary material, which is first to gain its meaning and elucidation from its employment for some vulgar need.—None but a great nation, confiding with tranquil stateliness in its unshakable might, could ripen such a principle within itself, and bring it into application for the happiness of all the world: for it assuredly presupposes a solid ordering of every nearer, every relation that serves life's necessary ends; and it was the duty of the political powers to found that order in this lofty, world redeeming sense,—that is to say: Germany's Princes should have been as German, as were its own great masters. If this foundation fell away, then the German must come to the ground for very reason of his merit: and that's what he has done to-day, where German he has stayed. + +>Yet Bach's spirit, the German spirit, stepped forth from the sanctuary of divinest Music, the place of its new-birth. When Goethe's "Gotz" appeared, its joyous cry went up: "That's German!" And, beholding his likeness, the German also knew to shew himself, to shew the world, what Shakespeare is, whom his own people did not understand. These deeds the German spirit brought forth of itself, from its inmost longing to grow conscious of itself. And this consciousness told it—what it was the first to publish to the world—that the Beautiful and Noble came not into the world for sake of profit, nay, not for sake of even fame and recognition. And everything done in the sense of this teaching is "deutsch"; and therefore is the German great; and only what is done in that sense, can lead Germany to greatness. +--- 21957737 +>>21957722 (OP) + +Within a few sentences the horrible, pedantic German comma has already established the text as brute translation, then + +> fecundation + +The abuse of exactly the unnecessary Latinism Luther rejected in making modern German. + +> re-illumed + +Tone death combinations of anachronistic verb forms and prefix. + +> 'twas +> shewn +> nay + +Finally the author can't resist scraping the barrel for meaningless English relics in the vain hope of attaching importance to their text by association with the antique. There is no ancient authority whose boots may pass unlicked. +--- 21957739 +>>21957724 +>the thing one does for its own sake +Oh, yes, the Holy Grain of genuine logic that oozes out of the veins of German bureaucracy and poisons, as it has done for a long time, every pure soul to become naught but machinery in spirit. +--- 21957742 +>>21957737 +>Finally the author can't resist scraping the barrel for meaningless English relics in the vain hope of attaching importance to their text by association with the antique. +kek true +--- 21957759 +>>21957737 +Nothing wrong with using English words in an English translation, the combination is probably accurate to the German word and the older words were probably normal when it was translated in the 19th century. +--- 21957769 +>>21957739 +The quote criticises the ordering of the German government and social system. + +Why do people think nationalism = worshipping every part of a nation? +--- 21957779 +>>21957759 +>normal in the 19th century + +Not remotely. The Shakespeare fetish is already clear from the prose. +--- 21957785 +>>21957769 +You're pulling shit out of your arse, man. Is nationalism what you wanted to talk about so eagerly? I see an issue, as it partains to German of today, and I react. Can this not be done regardless of whether or not the text as a whole is agreeable in my mind? diff --git a/lit/21957744.txt b/lit/21957744.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4aa0f1a739d9584f660e5ec0ac25e2d89013210d --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957744.txt @@ -0,0 +1,12 @@ +----- +--- 21957744 +I heard philosophy majors on /lit/ telling everyone that philosophy cannot be self-taught. Well, I've been reading philosophy by myself for years, and I decided to put it to test. I knew an American friend who's studying philosophy in college, so I offered to write the essays for a class. The result was pic related and the essays I've written were on: + +>Plato and Aristotle +>Augustine and evil +>Hume and morals +>Heidegger and Sartre + +So tell me, /lit/, why do philosophy majors cope so hard? Is it because they wasted their money and still get BTFOs by amateurs? Because they have no actual skill? Because they had to write essays on queer theory while we read scholastics metaphysics? Because we didn't voluntarily castrate our brains for a diploma? + +Recommend books on the fraud of academia. diff --git a/lit/21957781.txt b/lit/21957781.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..23ebf6aa1027c96d125f03e2ae86eb44fbdfb89b --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957781.txt @@ -0,0 +1,22 @@ +----- +--- 21957781 +jesus edition + +previous >>21953567 → +--- 21957784 +Been practiscing lying to my gf to see if l could get away with cheating on her +--- 21957802 +>>21957784 +Been posting this boring wannabe-sociopath musing for a few threads now +--- 21957819 +How old are you guys and why are you still here? +--- 21957822 +>>21957781 (OP) +My wife’s a bitch +--- 21957825 +Wow I thought I was already in a rough patch and but then a few hours ago I just received some more bad news. This is life though and when it rains it's pours, as they say. I'm keeping my eyes forward. It doesn't look any good at my age to slip into despair and so you've got to take these things on the chin. + +The only thing is that the days feel so long when you've only got bad news to contemplate. It's not even like I can distract myself with pleasant things because these are problems that need my active attention. Alas, we do what we must. +--- 21957832 +>>21957819 +I'm 30 and this the only way for me to get social interaction with other people. diff --git a/lit/21957810.txt b/lit/21957810.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..894945d03430db8cce18f83b5d86c7e78999dda4 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957810.txt @@ -0,0 +1,8 @@ +----- +--- 21957810 +Books about sending your ex Steam Awards because it's the only communication method you still have with her because she's blocked you on every platform including payment methods? +--- 21957824 +Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh based? +--- 21957848 +>>21957810 (OP) +Anon don’t do this to yourself. The pain and humiliation are a perverted pleasure, you’re enjoying this for now, but it will leave a mark on your psyche. In ten years you’ll be sucking bull’s cum out of your wife’s gaping anus. Either that or a full blown opiate addiction. diff --git a/lit/21957856.txt b/lit/21957856.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..cb324b0584bb8f7b598c3c13125872adae028809 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21957856.txt @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +----- +--- 21957856 +does it take longer to complete your debut novel anyone have any stories about writers like maybe Pynchon & how they completed their debut