Sat Apr 22 09:17:49 UTC 2023

lit/21902612.txt

@@ -999,3 +999,105 @@ NTA btw.
 >>21929107
 >2000-2400 is the collapse
 Man I can't even imagine the status quo making it to 2050 at this rate. An empire of weakness and gat sex and lies, run by psychopathic talmudic bankers, cowardly criminal bureaucrats, spiteful communist mutants, and out-of-touch celebrities, trying to coerce a zero-trust non-society of demoralized, dumbed down, divided, dysgenic, demotivated mass of people from completely incompatible cultural and genetic backgrounds into helping them accomplish vague goals nobody is interested in with insultingly bad propaganda. How can this judeo-satanic landfill planet keep chugging for that long?
+--- 21938470
+>>21931300
+Yes, I hear there are websites with downvoting and upvoting which are more your speed. Thanks for visiting /lit/, I look forward to you never returning.
+--- 21938487
+>>21938060
+Forms of an era come, which then create conflict and trouble which cause new forms to rise. Puritanism is a reaction to Gothic Catholicism, which itself collected excesses and trouble at it's edges.
+What we can expect is that the current order, which is very troubled, will produce an equally intense reaction. How it will look like, we don't know. Generally, this is how history moves in the Spengerian sense. The elites have already seeded their own destruction, to be replaced by a new or transformed elite. Society will dissolve, and then reform.
+--- 21938496
+>>21912928
+WTF so the Soviets were the good guys?
+--- 21938519
+>>21902612 (OP)
+>>Got almost everything right
+>Most influential thinker of the 1920s
+>Is completely forgotten outside some far right circles
+
+He has replied only for his time, because everything is not ethics, have this fate, only ethics is in relation to time.
+--- 21938938
+Who is our Confucius/Zeno?
+--- 21938949
+>>21902717
+This. Not only that, but Spengler's cyclical law of nature directly contradicts Jewish divine law, the source of Jewish power and influence. Once you accept that nature defines the laws of nature and reality and not some canaanite bronze age god, then the Jews are totally naked
+--- 21938950
+>>21938487
+Shut the fuck up retard.
+--- 21938965
+>>21934969
+Artist here, you don't have to read Spengler to realise art IS dead, and has been since even before WW2.
+Any artist that doesn't root for an accelerationist/futurist collapse is either in denial or a genuine retard
+--- 21938985
+>>21938965
+That’s true but that can be devastating for a 20-something looking for something to do with lives. I actually had wanted to be an illustrator until was 24, was frustrated with it, and then I read Spengler, got depressed, totally gave up. I’m now 30 and really haven’t found much else. In retrospect, the optimal outcome would’ve been immediately switching to something else but the second most optimal would’ve been accelerating into it anyway and just using art to cope.
+--- 21939113
+>>21938965
+>art IS dead
+>Artist here
+>Any artist that doesn't root for an accelerationist/futurist collapse is either in denial or a genuine retard
+You have called yourself a retard.
+--- 21939190
+>>21938949
+Spengler was an unironical incel and loser btw. No wonder he attracts his own type to this day. If any of you happen to read german, give pic related a try. Most pathetic whining I've ever read in printed form. Sad, really. And very reminiscent of the private venting of, for instance, Hitler and Goebbels, who cried about their respective arts being "dead" while Picasso and Hemingway were working. 
+The talentless rabble of today will probably be responsible for the next fascist chimpout, but what gives, those are the cytokine storms of history. Quite comfy observing it from Hegelian heights.
+--- 21939325
+>>21902612 (OP)
+Cormac McCarthy hasn't forgotten him
+--- 21939342
+>>21939190
+Hegel is wind and the product of living a sheltered existence his whole life with noone who wasn't brownnosing him. Also, Adorno did the same exact thing but was more insecure about it. History is not progressing.
+--- 21939350
+>>21902717
+--- 21939375
+>>21939325
+I wonder how many people have actually read that Blood and Time epigraph
+https://drive.google.com/file/d/16gud4fPsQJWkMD_JFKhya07OdEUTeSKb/view
+--- 21939381
+>>21902612 (OP)
+Because the Left is afraid
+--- 21939432
+>>21939342
+>living a sheltered existence
+You must mean not being a resentful loser and succeeding in his efforts. As a fan of Spengler you probably prefer Schopenhauer, his great philosophical idol besides Nietzsche and indeed a very similar type, edgy doomer with an eternal chip on his shoulder, foaming and seething about everything Hegel said or did.
+--- 21939447
+>>21905870
+They teach classics!
+--- 21939451
+>>21907146
+>>21907236
+
+Faustus is the OG, read Christopher Marlowe.
+
+A Faustian pact is one with the devil, and can be for anything, except the signant forfeits their soul to Dis.
+--- 21940166
+>>21939190
+>Jews criticized philosophically
+>Suddenly (((someone))) starts calling others incels
+Cohencidence
+--- 21940265
+>>21938965
+
+Hegel actually said that art ended with German romanticism, way before Spengler. 
+
+>>21939342
+
+Hegel is the white pill/clear pill of western philosophy, without him as an anchor you are lost in a sea of conflicting shouting sophistic opinions. We need more Hegel today, and less irrationalist philosophies that accept the present as a given.
+--- 21941181
+>>21903706
+You are a footnote to my cock on your face, faggot.
+--- 21941185
+>>21904260
+Are you a tranny?
+--- 21941186
+>>21907268
+"Optimism is cowardice" - Oswald Spengler
+--- 21941196
+>>21932461
+It outlasted him by like two years. Who is the creator of the modern state and when does he die so it can be replaced by the han bingbong dynasty.
+--- 21941269
+>>21938950
+Back to leftypol, tranny.
+--- 21941606
+>>21902717
+i have witnessed an instant classic

lit/21909823.txt

@@ -373,3 +373,72 @@ You want to review writing from &amp and have those reviews in a new issue o
 --- 21937836
 >>21936730
 Yeah I’m into it. &amp will print anything you give them
+--- 21938310
+>>21937178
+like you do
+--- 21938737
+>>21937178
+Because it was a stupid ass idea. Sometimes when someone has a stupid ass idea the nice thing to do is let them know so maybe they reconsider and instead spend their time doing something worthwhile. Printing reviews of writing in the same book series that the writings came from, dude. Does that not seem absurd to you?
+--- 21938826
+>>21936730
+Given the replies to this post: Don't submit it to &amp. Go about it in an independent way. Would still be interesting.
+--- 21938865
+>>21938737
+&amp isn’t a book series, it’s a magazine. that’s the important distinction here. pulp magazines have a long history of publishing critical letters to the editor/author that contain negative feedback on stories from past issues as well as supportive letters containing positive feedback. it helps to foster discussion and garner attention from people who like the drama, for better or for worse. an example of 
+this would be the rivalry between HP Lovecraft and Fred Jackson that played out in the letters section of Argosy magazine, with each criticizing the other’s stories. their correspondance became an in-joke among the magazine’s readers, and helped launch both of their reputations. so no, it doesn’t seem like a weird idea to me. if a story garners a negative response it’s not a slight against &amp as a publication, it’s just commentary on that particular story. &amp publishes anything, good or bad, so incorporating a monthly section with some reader responses and reviews—like a combination of actual short reviews and shitpost responses screencapped from the previous month’s release thread—could be a way of acknowledging the sometimes absurd disparities in the quality of the content, as well as a funny homage to &amp’s message board origins. since you openly admit to knowing very little about magazines and publishing, perhaps you’re not the ultimate arbiter of whether an idea is stupid or not.
+--- 21939144
+>>21938865
+>someone not retarded in an &amp thread 
+
+A “letters to the editor” and spread of screen caps with the initial reactions when the issue drops is a cool idea.
+--- 21939614
+>>21939144
+this seems reasonable.
+--- 21939805
+>>21939144
+>not retarded 
+
+I’m definitely retarded, though perhaps not in the same way as the other commenters that you were comparing me to. I’m glad that you liked the idea of the monthly section, though. The inclusion of reader critiques and commentary through letters to the editor are a major part of what I find compelling about the whole magazine format, and why the distinction between book and magazine is so crucial here.
+
+A novel is the product of a sole author’s vision—it’s a monologue of sorts, to which the reader becomes a passive audience. But a magazine is by its very nature collaborative: it may be curated by a single editor, but it is always comprised of other people’s creations. The inclusion of multiple voices and multiple forms of content (photographs, art, fiction, poetry, reviews, letters, classifieds) make the magazine format into a fascinating dialogue in which the reader can actively participate by offering his or her own contributions. Because the roles of creator and audience become blurred, I think that the magazine format acts as a sort of equalizer, curating and
+facilitating the creation and discussion of art and media in a way that hadn’t been done before the pulp zine was created. The format embodies one of the unique qualities of the internet itself: a variety of content that can be responded to and engaged with publicly, not simply consumed in isolation.
+
+Anyway, sorry for the autistic rambling; I just find this topic really interesting. I had a whole editorial vision for potential future issues of &amp, but I don’t think that those ideas will ever be actualized now.
+--- 21940198
+>>21939805
+based effortposter, that gets to the heart of what makes &amp and lit so special to me. its about working together to make something bigger than one person could make on their own. nice that the editor is passing the torch, i hope the &amp spirit doesn’t burn out
+--- 21940949
+>>21932352
+how can I get in touch with the new editors?
+--- 21941361
+>>21940949
+Host a séance and their spirits will approach.
+--- 21941458
+>>21939805
+Editorfag here. I wholeheartedly condone your vision. Email me.
+>>21940198
+The fire remains inside. The torch is carried still. Thank you.
+>>21940949
+Same email. I gave them Gmail Delegate Access. 
+>>21941361
+Yes that is still the best way to contact &a move Magazine. 
+
+This is actually an Unreal Thread tho so I’ma sage this bitxh
+--- 21941479
+Also remember:
+https://lampbylit.com/elite/
+Login:
+anon
+Password:
+god
+--- 21941610
+Hold up Frank made a CYOA?
+--- 21941621
+>>21941610
+Hi Gardner 
+Please drown yourself 
+All fields
+--- 21941646
+>>21941621
+wow anonymous was a mistake 
+I was literally curious

lit/21912608.txt

@@ -2180,3 +2180,558 @@ sounds like a literal sexual act and out of place, to my ear
 makes more sense anyway
 --- 21938054
 I'm just here to salute to the OP keeps these threads alive through sick and thin
+--- 21938221
+An unusual tone here. 
+
+micz.substack.com/p/the-pillars-of-civilization
+
+Also, after you read it: 
+ Is the title too much? Trees, columns, erections. Do you get it yet?  Feels crass rather then clever, but i’ve been encouraged to keep it.
+--- 21938272
+>>21938221
+Excellent! This isn't exactly light verse but it's quite preppy for the subject matter. Write like this instead of the more depressing stuff.
+
+Also where's the banner from? I'm sure I've seen it somewhere.
+--- 21938330
+In deep green forests of east Tennessee
+Throw grows a lone orchid so quiet as can be
+No one knows how it got there for miles you can’t see
+Any of it’s kind, ‘t wast grown from some seed
+That wast dropt by the wind blown fro’ far off indeed
+--- 21938556
+>>21938221
+Very good 
+
+Fine! libations for good Hermes, all things snatched, including love,
+Are within his modest purview, hand delivered from above.
+
+clinches it for me.
+--- 21938589
+>>21938221
+How am I meant to pronounce Byzantine? Normally or to rhyme with in? Also, I would change girls undress to girls undressed. It is more natural and making it a perfect rhyme isn't worth it.
+--- 21938621
+>>21938589
+>Byzantine
+I know. I often say it differently myself.
+I struggled over that, but both pronunciation guides as well as googles pronunciation thing say bi-zᵊn-ˌtēn , as it it rhymes with 'in' 
+
+I even checked a rhyming dictionary, which i usually refuse to do on principle, and It's there. 
+
+Did you like it otherwise?
+--- 21938626
+>>21938221
+Tired of people praising your poems so much just because you have a substack for them
+--- 21938634
+>>21938626
+Sorry... 
+I do engage with everyone so people know i read them. 
+For what it's worth i do only post twice a month. I don't want to be one of those /wg/ guys who shill their stuff in every thread. Again, sorry.
+--- 21938656
+>>21938272
+Speaking of, sorry i missed you somehow. It's the Penguin cover for Bellow's Humboldt's Gift.
+Here the other banner i considered, but worried Email subscribers might be annoyed at receiving t&a.
+
+Makes it seem less classy but I think it's appropriate.
+--- 21938661
+>>21938634
+Jeez dont take it so seriously this is 4chan
+--- 21938670
+>>21938621
+I don't think Byzantine took away from the poem at all. But I thought it rhymed with Queen and sometimes wine. Anyways, I agree with the other anon, that couplet is the best. I don't really understand the simile about neurosis. Also, I felt like the ending was abrupt. Otherwise, you did well.
+--- 21938675
+>>21938661
+Actually it's the other way around, I send my substack to publishers and I don't want it to become a 4chan project.
+I like posting here and talking to people but not the baggage associated.
+--- 21938683
+>>21938670
+The neurosis thing, is my conviction that as the Greek and Roman gods all pulled double and triple duties as the personifications of ideas, Freud almost functions as a 20th century theologian resurrecting them in a new guise. 
+
+But mostly it's s there to tie the act of drinking, which I was doing, with the slightly homeric ideas introduced previously.
+
+Not sure it works but that's why it's there.
+--- 21938745
+>>21938589
+>Also, I would change girls undress to girls undressed. It is more natural and making it a perfect rhyme isn't worth it.
+
+
+I think it's a play on 'state of undress'
+but idk
+--- 21938889
+Started one about a Hunnic band, quite fun to write, it's not meant to be high lit, but I'm stuck on how to continue it. What do anons think?
+
+The vagabond, the Hun so bold
+Upheld his wrist and death foretold
+"Mark, men of steppe so wide and clear
+Your horses halt, your bows uprear.
+Many miles our train has crossed,
+On seas of grass by gales tossed,
+We steered our horses to their huts
+The settled weak were in them shut
+Their spirits cut by howling din
+Those peasant souls burnt out and in,
+No man who tills or picks the vine
+Could halt our slaying, our harsh rapine.
+Now bows have shot their fill, our bags
+With spoils glutted straddle nags.
+But in dreams of red and gold I lie
+Upon my roll, see Tengri's sky
+Turned black in rest and blue in sleep
+While spirit-stirring watch I keep
+--- 21938933
+>>21938889
+>On seas of grass by gales tossed,
+You messed up the rhythm here for me.
+--- 21939292
+>>21938933
+Really? It's perfect iambic tetrameter.
+
+On SEAS of GRASS by GAles TOSSED
+--- 21939311
+>>21938221
+Not bad. for what it's worth. I thought it worked for what it is. And i like the self affecting voice. 
+
+>>21938889
+the simple rhymes make it sound more like children's poetry the the Kipling you were perhaps emulating
+--- 21939318
+>>21939292
+Where the hell are you from where the plural form of the noun "gale" is pronounced like that?
+--- 21939360
+>>21939318
+I pronounce it /geJəlz/ with the stress on the first syllable
+--- 21939363
+>>21939360
+4chan seems to be fucking up the J
+--- 21939376
+>>21939360
+>>21939363
+So you say gay-luhz? Weirdo.
+--- 21939379
+>>21939376
+You can't read IPA?
+--- 21939400
+>>21939379
+No, and I am not going to look it up.
+--- 21939417
+>>21913630
+
+Roses are sweet,
+Tulips are spent
+I am not so much as superstitious
+As heaven-sent
+--- 21939425
+Turning and turning in the widening gyre 
+The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
+Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
+Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
+The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere 
+The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
+The best lack all conviction, while the worst 
+Are full of passionate intensity.
+
+Surely some revelation is at hand;
+Surely the Second Coming is at hand. 
+The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out 
+When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
+Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert 
+A shape with lion body and the head of a man, 
+A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, 
+Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it 
+Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. 
+The darkness drops again; but now I know 
+That twenty centuries of stony sleep
+Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, 
+And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, 
+Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born!?
+--- 21939496
+"Spitting in an ocean" I guess but this advice is heartfelt at least...
+
+Ask yourself what the point of your, or anyone's, poetry is.
+It's to communicate an idea or ideas, right?
+It's not about "I am a good poet, watch this!"
+
+In my humble opinion, the meter, rhyme scheme, rhythm...
+ALL THAT BIG BRAIN STUFF
+...that *technique* and technical prowess should be an *afterthought*
+
+We spoke earlier about
+>>Poem doesn't rhyme
+>You're not smart just lazy
+
+But too much meter handcuffs your beautiful thoughts and hides them behind "look how technically proficient I am", 
+again, in my humble opinion, = boring as hell. 
+
+TL;DR: in my totally nub amateur truckstop opinion, when I'm reading "good poetry", ideas flow and you don't even notice the meter is certainly not "in the way" or an impediment to understanding the message that this one human being is sending out to the world.
+--- 21939557
+>>21934948
+>>21934948
+Still looking for recommendations, mates
+Come on, you know what a love poem is. And a woman. Right?
+--- 21939958
+>>21939496
+>It's to communicate an idea or ideas, right?
+No. But yes, except, it's done in a structure. Unless you think a painter draws past the edges of a canvas as well. Maybe a composer ignores music theory as well. In your mind, of course.
+--- 21940087
+>>21935698
+But how?
+
+“As the” is very low in content, being almost padding; its gravity and inertia is pointed to direct itself to the following words, we can see this even in prose, for example look at the beat that the repeated “they” creates here.
+
+> Ere the Beginning the gods divided earth into waste and pasture. Pleasant pastures They made to be green over the face of earth, orchards They made in valleys and heather upon hills, but Harza They doomed, predestined and foreordained to be a waste for ever.
+
+> And why not line 1?
+
+One system I invented is a kind of, pseudo quantitative verse where you intentionally balance mono to multi syllabics, to analyze what you posted using that system.
+
+
+The BATTLE CEASES as the sun DECLINES
+And hands COLLECT the VESTIGES of war
+
+if these were stresses the first line would be 
+
+u - - u u u - 
+
+Vs
+
+u u - u - u u
+
+When illustrated thus, it’s clear the second has a very balanced weight distribution in contrast to the first. 
+
+> but it's a regular phenomenon then we should mark it. 
+
+One way is the pseudo quantitative way I mentioned, the difficulty is that speed of a line isn’t so atomic a question, how you work with the line break, commas, repetition, alliteration and so forth all have a say, in the line I posted for example 
+
+> to run and rape the stone by force by strike defiled,
+
+Notice how it says “by force by strike” by is repeated twice to give an sort of, tumbling crashing rushing feel, a kind of repetitive rant, however there are a ton of methods to control and measure speed, browning’s poem “ How They Brought The Good News From Ghent To Aix” should be studied as a masterwork of speed imo.
+--- 21940107
+>>21913852
+Roses are red
+Daffodils are yellow
+You're the faggot here
+OP's a swell fellow
+--- 21940121
+>>21940087
+> Is there a difference between an iamb like declines vs a trochee like battles? 
+
+Of course, some would argue the Iamb is faster others the trochee, personally I find that the word that’s multi-syllabic and naturally an iamb is slower than the natural trochee, so “serene “ is slower than “battle” but I think iambs formed by two monosyllables usually faster than trochees, “the bats are back” vs “many battles “ however undoubtedly the anapest is the fastest meter, from ancient to the modern period it’s known for this quality of being akin to horse hooves racing. 
+
+“when the MEAN-ing is SPARSE but the SPEED is as QUICK as a HORSE” 
+
+test it yourself, write or read anapestic poetry and you’ll notice quick this effect.
+
+ >>21934948
+>>21939557
+Check out the poetry of Gaspara Stampa, she’s very highly regarded and her poetry is dedicated to a dude who(no cap) dumped her ass (fr fr. )
+
+A verse of hers
+
+Harsh is my fortune, but harsher still is the fate
+dealt me by my count: he flees from me,
+I follow him; others long for me,
+I cannot look at another man's face.
+
+I hate him who loves me,love him who scorns me;
+against the humble lover, my heart rebels,
+but I am humble to him who kill my hope;
+my soul longs for such harmful food.
+
+
+He constantly gives me cause for anger,
+while others seek to give me comfort and peace;
+these I ignore, and I cling instead to him.
+
+
+Thus in your school, Love, we receive
+always the opposite of what we deserve:
+the humble are despised, the heartless rewarded.
+--- 21940132
+Oh and uh here’s a loose translation I wrote yesterday, original French obviously not mine.
+
+Le Ciel de Nuit
+
+Le ciel est si profond qu'il fait rêver d'éternité.
+Ce n'est pas le ciel bleu du jour qui touche le cœur,
+C'est l'abîme impénétrable où la pensée est jetée,
+Le ciel de nuit avec ses étoiles, son silence, sa splendeur.
+
+Dans cette paix on sent quelque chose qui domine,
+Le cœur s'agrandit, on s'ouvre aux songes, aux désirs,
+On se sent si petit, et l'on rêve à la fuite divine
+Vers des mondes plus purs, plus heureux, illuminés de sourires.
+
+Oh ! qui pourrait traduire, avec des mots humains,
+Le charme infini de ces nuits qui semblent des rêves,
+Où l'on ne sait trop si l'on est vivant ou si l'on est mort,
+Où l'on est seul avec soi-même, où l'on se sent peut-être près de Dieu ?
+
+C'est un moment béni où l'âme est en extase,
+Où l'on oublie la terre, les soucis, les douleurs,
+Où l'on croit voir l'infini, les étoiles comme des phrases
+De musique céleste, qui berce les cœurs.
+
+Le ciel de nuit, c'est l'harmonie, la poésie,
+C'est la prière muette, c'est la contemplation,
+C'est l'immensité, l'éternité, l'infini,
+C'est le sublime mystère qui hante les âmes des amants.
+
+
+My translation 
+
+The Night Sky 
+
+thou deep Eve that evokes eternity, 
+of which the pallid blue cannot reflect, 
+this vast abyss of thought’s infinity, 
+where coursing light from silent stars collect.
+
+in quietude, where mystery has reign,
+The heart expanding with dreams, yearning so,
+One feels so small, coursing through God’s domain,
+with purer joy of purer heart aglow.
+
+i cannot put to words with a man’s tongue,
+The endless charm of Night, half wake half-dream,
+where none can tell when life or death’s begun,
+where one can dwell with God within the mean. 
+
+past, past the many moments my soul soars,
+forgetting earth unburdened by its pain, 
+another world another sea implores,
+the stars singing unknown songs with sweet strain.
+
+refrain, refrain, refrain, til night with all,
+ev’ry poems soul, ev’ry secret pray’r,
+coursing, collects to contemplation’s call,
+to know the harmony that lover’s share.
+--- 21940649
+I dreamed I was a paintbrush that dreamed it was the painter that dreamed it was the paint. Oil to canvas a tincture of rose and midnight, sunlit greens arisen and asleep. My passion bereft of rest I furiously strike the page, each stroke a peel, each slice, savage thunder. Eyes closed, heart open, savoring the moment. Unleash, unfurl, my brush a scalpel, the page, it’s world; asunder.
+--- 21940669
+>>21940132
+Very loose I would say. 
+>>21940121
+>iambs formed by two monosyllables usually faster than trochees
+Well now I'm just confused. I can hear it but I do not understand it. It would be easier if this sort of stuff was better outlined and explained. 
+>>21940087
+>One system I invented
+
+I will try to use this. What do these sorts of readings usually tell you? Also, shouldn't words with more than two syllables be registered as something different? I'm not entirely sure how this would overlap with a traditional scan.
+--- 21940742
+>>21940669
+Ye very loose, was going for broad strokes, when some motifs couldn’t fit moved them around, replaced the most accurate translation for poetic value, etc. I believe mallarme is correct that when translating a poem the better question is translating a spirit into your own spirit, inaccuracies in the name of kino are justifiable.
+
+> It would be easier if this sort of stuff was better outlined and explained. 
+
+Eh it’s just the kind of stuff you learn by trial and error+study, I forget where but Dante talks about somewhere how poets treasure and horde core techniques and basic blocks like this for private discussions with those they respect, while I’ve read a number of works on poetics, I’ve not seen one get into the nitty gritty of things like that monosyllable iamb trick I just explained, when people are praising “ear” they’re really admiring your autistic dedication to finding and harmonizing all these little methods.
+
+> I will try to use this. What do these sorts of readings usually tell you? Also, shouldn't words with more than two syllables be registered as something different? 
+
+Glad you asked, in linguistics it’s known that multi-syllabics when actually spoken tend towards aural shortening, the natural speed of conversation you normally use will force you to say multi syllabic words a bit faster after the first or second syllable, imo by exploiting this we gain something somewhat approximate to the classical “long” syllable of quantitative verse, obviously not as perfect but I do think it can be seen.
+
+>I'm not entirely sure how this would overlap with a traditional scan.
+
+You can manipulate it for various effects and contrasts by using it with standard meter, here’s a stanza From a poem I wrote to demonstrate its capabilities.
+
+Bade I blithe by boundless benevolence
+Not made nine mooned nightmare malevolence?
+Tread i through the transient territories,
+Ere err clay-cracked earthen categories.
+
+The syllable arrangement being 1 1 1 1 2 4 
+
+Bade(1) I(1) blithe(1) by(1) boundless(2) benevolence(4)
+
+Not(1) made(1) nine(1) mooned(1) nightmare(2) malevolence(4)
+
+
+Etc, here’s a quick demonstration I just writ to show that it can produce an effect approximate to an iambic regardless of accentual pattern 
+
+Flame’s fury and fervid as grisly beasts roaming and berserk,
+These voices that arise and echo but unheard,
+Tongue quiver with earthquakes, hell’s tumult made revived, 
+Sung quicker I repeat, by hatred made alive. 
+
+In the “quantity” reading the scansion would be 
+
+flames FURY and FERVID as GRISLY beasts ROAMING and BERSERK
+
+and so follows the rest, now writing like this does encourage accentual rhythm that’s appropriate, but notice how when it utterly deviates it still somehow maintains a rhythm, we can conjoin this logically with the normal accentual meters for various effects, so for example here’s an attempt at syncopation utilizing these experiments and others.
+
+
+Cont
+--- 21940755
+>>21940742
+flames erupt hieroglyphs of dawning suns,
+ablaze with centuries of diffused light,
+names engraved epithets of endless dawn,
+array the chrysalis of foregone days,
+aged cocoon silhouette of deathless morn,
+amain the roseate of unreal rays, 
+rage ensouled luminesce of essence born,
+trace unknown apprehend the semblanced form.
+
+FLAMES e-RUPT hi-ro GLYPHS of DAW-ing SUNS
+a-BLAZE with CENT-ur-ies OF diff-USED light 
+
+
+QUANTITY PATTERN
+flames ERUPT HIEROGLYPHS of DAWNING suns 
+ABLAZE with CENTURIES of DIFFUSED light
+
+In the first line establish a trochaic rhythm, 
+
+FLAMES e/ RUPT hi/ 
+
+Then immediately invert the stress pattern, thus your mind assumes it would create a stable rhythmical pattern but is put up against the very opposite. 
+
+ro-GLYPHS/ of DAW/ning SUNS
+
+this is bolstered by my “quantitative “ meter wherein you regulate verse via the sequence of mono-syllabic vs multi-syllabic words, since this is the only quantity of time you can regulate in poetry, and the pattern of the word quantities is made inverted to the accentual pattern, 
+
+Thus while the first line begins trochaic in accent, its quantity is iambic, 
+
+And all of this is bolstered by the next line inverting both the accent and quantity pattern of the previous, thus the next line beginning iambic and ending trochaic.
+
+This is mind you just a test verse, in practice these Would for me be utilized within stanzas, lines, short bursts or even entire poems where this isn’t the focus so it’s a bit more subtle, I believe stuff like this can allow us to replicate even stuff like counter point within verse.
+--- 21940892
+>>21940742
+>iambic regardless of accentual pattern
+You don't think it has something to do with the Y sliding into a vowel thus causing the second syllable of fervid to eat as?
+>>21940755
+>ablaze with centuries of diffused light,
+If this is a feminine ending, then this is a very strange line. You don't see nouns like that demoted for the sake of feminine endings. I would read it as a rising rhythm. A 1234. In general, it seems like a typical iambic poem with simply inverted starts to the lines. You can tell it is iambic because there are more iambs than inverted feet in a line.
+--- 21940904
+>>21940892
+> You don't think it has something to do with the Y sliding into a vowe
+
+Test it out yourself! Write a couple lines in the style, you’ll see quickly it’ll operate.
+
+> If this is a feminine ending, then this is a very strange line. 
+
+a-BLAZE-with CENT/ur-ies/ OF diff/USED light 
+
+You can either read the last foot as a spondee or a trochee, there’s no way to make the last foot an iamb unless you lie to yourself that diffused is “DUH-used”
+
+you can tell imo by the rhythm of the various lines it doesn’t sound like a harsh spondee in each of these, 
+
+Diffused light
+Foregone days 
+Unreal rays
+
+Etc, when pronounced it just doesn’t have the harshness you’d expect out of spondees.
+
+But it’s my personal little method, the best thing to do is experiment, try for yourself and regulate a stanza using a balance of mono vs multi syllabics, see if the conscious control causes a difference in musicality that’s approximate to metrical form.
+
+Good luck if it works!
+--- 21941171
+>>21912608 (OP)
+Wrote this all in a single night while sleep deprived. I was reading Milton at the time.
+
+Vision of a Parched and Hungry Eremite
+
+At last! I see the vision beatific
+Which hath made mine hunger and obedience good!
+Is this the throne which Esaias had feared?
+What fear had I to stand before my God
+Who gave my heart transfigured eyes to see,
+In nowise filmy like Tiresias who
+Had prophesied for marble forms of men
+And in spirit was blind, so is the fruit
+Of lech’rous contemplation of false gods.
+Even so, my soul still wars against the flesh
+To seize the vital crown. I cannot see
+As yet which gentiles called Platonic Forms.
+Aye, so it seems, thus I must be content
+With imagery domestic and well-trod.
+
+Howe’er, it seems within my ken no pen 
+Can justify the Empyreal realm
+And its inhabitants so lovely to
+The chaste, once chastened heart! Aye, chastity
+Of heart imputed and subsumed, or else
+My presence should offend, and Second Death
+Should be my final destination. But
+Here I see my Lord and Savior smiling,
+Sitting at the right hand of the Father
+Shrouded in the clouds, with Holy Spirit
+Betwixt them to complete the image of
+The Triune Godhead. Trembling I behold
+With equal love and fear the mystery
+Of reconciliation, Human and Divine, 
+Two natures in one man, more God than man
+To Pagan eyes, for who hath eyes as flames
+Of fire, transfigured face and hairs that glow
+Like to a Phoebus diadem, or feet 
+Which seems of brazen make, and voice as though
+It be the sound of many waters? Still,
+He lived once as a man, Incarnate Word
+He seems, not seeming increate like to
+The Father of us all, divinity
+Too dazzling for eyes yet unsanctified,
+Thus murky to mine eyes, the High Priest only,
+Propitiation for us all, permits
+His nature to be seen. The Spirit, though
+In habit like a dove, is not a dove
+Indeed, but useful image for his nature
+Better there be none! The fowl which flieth to
+And fro in milky vans as ensign Peace
+Is not unlike in function to the friend
+And advocate of all disciples of
+The Cosmic Paschal Lamb, in silence warbling.
+If unbelieving eyes had been so blessed
+To see what I behold they’d think they see
+Three Gods, or two gods with one fowl,
+But the substance of divinity is best
+Revealed as love between three people, God
+Yet are they all.
+
+Cont.
+--- 21941173
+>>21912608 (OP)
+But ‘tis not all, for from
+The milky pinions of the Spirit doth
+My ken take flight towards the million-colored
+Pinions of the Heavn’ly Host as numerous
+As sands upon the beach. With eremites
+And other worthies, with unworthies too,
+Is jubilation rampant thro’ the bright
+Celestial realm where prominent among
+The clouds are verdant isles of pleasure gardens
+Orbiting their fountains as like unto suns.
+
+What’s this? I see the vision fair recedes
+Before me as that turquoise tide comes crashing
+Before my feet, howe’er that tide mine eyes
+Beheld shall not recede ‘til Death which hath
+No sting with servile pinions takes me to
+The throne room of th’Omnibenevolent
+Again with talons blunted for deliv’rance
+To pardon and reward, so certainly
+My faith hath made me whole. Spirit burn forth!
+With marble pallor I no more observe 
+That Babylonish state which seeks my blood,
+For mine own be covered with the blood of Him.
+--- 21941248
+>>21938221
+Hey man if you don't mind sharing how many subscribers as you gained just from posting on here? I've posted links to my patreon before no one gave a shit. Just want to know if it's normal or just me.
+
+Good work never the less
+--- 21941636
+Confronting the name 
+
+this thing renown through men unknown, 
+this simple sound that changes all,
+this ancient name that is my own, 
+this fated name my father called.
+
+from Greece or Rome or Judaea,
+this strange brand burning with fires, 
+from afric, Europe and Asia, 
+that seres the flesh with the prior,
+
+the multitudes of men now gone, 
+their waves that waked to shake the sea, 
+now lay and wait the face of dawn, 
+reflect within the name of me,
+
+so I’ll be, unremembered, 
+a memory, an ember.

lit/21917809.txt

@@ -928,3 +928,139 @@ why are midwits like this?
 Have you heard how Southern he is?
 --- 21937595
 uhh chudbros.. this book has already been cancelled
+--- 21938699
+>>21918437
+My first read gave me the impression that he's meant to be a Cain like figure, but on further reflection, i see more of the biblical antichrist and pale horseman about him. He is the antithesis of Jesus come to remake the world in his own image.
+
+Another way I look at him is as a spirit of modernity and industrialism. He is all at once the smiling face and the hidden knife, he forsakes all traditional values in place of his own.
+
+Of one thing I am definitely certain, he is not the man that can make a machine to make a machine but he is certainly the intent or
+Geist behind the man making the machine
+--- 21938703
+>>21925660
+Protestants are just hicks these days. Total joke. Frankly as far as I'm concerned Abrahamic religion is a joke. It's all going to shit.
+--- 21938706
+>>21917809 (OP)
+This guy is such a dumbass. His videos are the most surface level takes and he can't help but bitch endlessly about his personal opinions even at the expense of getting information out. Just another hick with a megaphone.
+--- 21938751
+>>21917809 (OP)
+As if true intellectuals in this day and age are really worth writing home about
+--- 21938866
+>>21926530
+I have a proposition.
+--- 21939033
+>>21920949
+legit, this completely summarises how I feel about shit like this. People basically just adopt the appearance of being into something and then move on in two weeks, it's kinda a social zombie problem.
+--- 21939058
+>>21926399
+Why are american christians like this?
+--- 21939627
+>>21939058
+>Why do jew worshippers love jews.
+It's a mystery.
+--- 21939702
+>>21939058
+their entire religion is a ripoff of judaism. it's truly insane to watch people deny this when you can't even begin to discuss the bible without getting into jewish bullshit.
+--- 21939719
+>>21939058
+they don't know about the talmud
+--- 21939763
+Nothing to top off my Friday night like a new Wendi vid, and 5 hours at that!!! Got my vaseline and Funyons ready. Buckle up boys it's gonna be a long night!
+--- 21939789
+>>21930091
+Right or wrong, I'm sure Cormac McCarthy has no clue what you're talking about. 
+>muh death of the author
+McCarthy's subconscious is not full of /pol/ internet philosophy.
+--- 21939968
+>>21939058
+I don't think Protestants especially evangelicals know why they believe the things they do. Multiple times have I overheard conversations amounting to "we're all just interpreting the Bible differently, that's why I believe in X social view." They themselves act as though their religion is not objective but subjective, that it is literally just a "fairy tale" that they believe to make themselves feel better like that atheist meme. 
+in short I've come to realize the logical conclusion to American Protestantism is atheism.
+--- 21940298
+>>21940284
+kek
+--- 21940314
+>>21917809 (OP)
+Isn't it better than normies get introduced to real literature rather than Sanderson-Marvel comics shit?
+--- 21940333
+>>21940314
+Blood Meridian, if a good book, is too much of a meme to be reasonably considered an "introduction to real literature."
+--- 21940471
+>>21917809 (OP)
+so THIS is why everyone is talking about Blood Meridian all of a sudden. I have seen over a dozen posts/statuses over the last few days, many of them the SAME few quotes. At first I thought I was going crazy, then I thought there must've been news released of them finally making it into a series or movie. 
+It's hilarious, because this will either a) dissuade people from reading the book, as they can just get the story spoon-fed by their parasocial friendo,
+ or b) spoil the story and ruin the first-reading experience of those who do decide to read it
+--- 21940478
+>>21940471
+Your friend made an EXCELLENT post, please leave him a <3 emoji reaction on my behalf.
+--- 21940489
+>>21929676
+see>>21940471
+That video is either going to make people NOT read the book, as they've already been told the story in 5 hour detail, or it will ruin it for those who read it, as it has already been spoiled.
+He's basically taking away the best part of McCarthy, which is his writing style, and making it more about what happens rather than how it is told.
+--- 21940508
+>>21929656
+His horror movie iceberg video was poorly researched and suffered from the fact that he himself never watched the movies he was discussing
+--- 21940510
+>>21929676
+wendigoon fans don't read literature they read reddit creepypastas
+--- 21940520
+>>21940478
+apparently he hasn't read it and is only a few hours into the video, yet he's quoting it like it had some profound effect on him.
+everything good has been boiled down to fake social media points and material to pad out their fake personalities
+--- 21940538
+even the McCarthy subreddit has had enough
+--- 21940549
+>>21940520
+>yet he's quoting it like it had some profound effect on him
+That's hilarious and TMB fits very well. It's exactly the kind of stuff Vince would do. Or the blonde guy from Peep Show if he thought quoting books could help him to get girls.
+--- 21940607
+>>21940549
+lol too true
+>"So he's like this big demon baby, right? He's all powerful and says profound things about creation innit"
+>"you've not even read the book, have you?"
+>"yeah, well, I watched a bit of the video on it, didn't I? It's dark and profound, like me. I think I'll buy a cowboy hat and boots, the dark country cowboy look will definitely be coming back in"
+>"Dark country cowboy? You're not a cowboy, you're a soft French duke, sir!"
+--- 21940613
+>>21940471
+>Cormack
+--- 21940635
+>>21940613
+>>21940471
+--- 21940638
+>>21940471
+Hard N noumena
+--- 21940673
+>>21940607
+kek
+--- 21940760
+>>21940471
+>>21940520
+--- 21940788
+wait so why did the judge turn against them after the yuma thing? i don't get it.
+--- 21940789
+I've had this on my backlog for ages and if I read it now ill be outed as a redditor lol. Not that I will let that stop me.
+>>21940520
+Yeah wikis and cliff notes should be to refresh the memories of people who have already read the books not replace them wholesale.
+--- 21940807
+lol at him keeping on saying The Kid is 14
+He's 16 before the end of page fucking 3. It takes him two years just to walk/ride/boat to Nacogdoches. All these people picturing a 14yo throughout the whole book
+--- 21941024
+>>21940333
+Do you understand what a meme book is, newfag?
+--- 21941029
+>>21941024
+A book that's a meme or has notable meme qualities.
+--- 21941446
+>>21918373
+I have yet to see Rance gain netwide attention (outside of Japan of course)
+--- 21941456
+>>21917809 (OP)
+What do you people who read this book get from it, is the prose good, are the themes great, is its message good?
+I'm just curious, want to see if I give it a read or not.
+I don't want to drag myself through several hundred pages of bleakness for nothing.
+--- 21941466
+>>21941456
+Pointless bleakness at that.
+--- 21941566
+>>21941456
+Ok, watching the video the prose is pretty good.

lit/21917939.txt

@@ -281,3 +281,35 @@ Forgot to thank you
 --- 21937644
 >>21937448
 it was just a superstition dude. censuses were typically done before war. people die in war. they act like the census was responsible.
+--- 21938660
+bump de
+--- 21939488
+Just finished Samuel, where's everybody at?
+--- 21939528
+>>21918383
+The Jews are genetically predisposed to worshipping golden cows. See 1 Kings 12. Either that or cults in the Northern Kingdom were worshipping calf idols and the writers of Exodus put that in there for polemical purposes.
+--- 21940259
+>>21923730
+>>21923678
+>God's Word is vulnerable to human ineptitude.
+Not how that works, concern-troll
+You're applying the vulnerabilities of secular literature to God's Literature.
+--- 21940291
+>>21927575
+>letting gentiles wallow in ignorance is being nice to them
+you need to examine your reaction to the Bible
+(it's the Word of God)
+>>21931082
+>only gentiles experience God's wrath (discipline)
+>>21929613
+>if you don't obey My commands you will become borrowers of many nations and lenders of none, you will be the tail not the head, I will destroy you.
+>>21930086
+>uses bce instead of the correct BC
+stopped reading ther
+hist: if you want your criticism to be engaged with at least pretend to not be a rebel against God.
+--- 21941770
+>>21939528
+>he doesn't remember that part of the odyssee where the crew got fucked after they slaughtered the sacred cows even though they were almost home
+--- 21941774
+>>21941770
+or the part where they opened a giant wind bag minutes within reaching home out of curiousity, ruining their plans

lit/21921346.txt

@@ -886,3 +886,127 @@ Suggestions?
 --- 21938075
 >>21938047
 Nice. I hope you keep at it.
+--- 21938322
+>>21937923
+I'll throw a couple recommendations your way. There's a series of history books called the Modern Library Chronicle series. They are relatively short, like 200 pages, and they give concise explanations of major historical events and periods. "Inventing Japan," by Ian Buruma is especially interesting and entertaining. They are a good way to get a quick and easy familiarization with history, and they're enjoyable to read.
+Another good series in the same vein is Penguin Lives, which are biographies that are similar in style to the Chronicles. They are fairly short, yet very well written and detailed. A couple good ones from that series is the book on Mao, and Robert E. Lee.
+Get rid of the Jordan Peterson, the Laws of Power and probably Bronze Age guy. That stuff will just turn you into a neurotic psychopath, spending every moment of your day wondering if you're doing something wrong, while judging everyone else for not living up to Jordan Peterson's standards. They're all just pseudo-Nietzscheans anyway, BAP even says so. If you read Nietzsche, don't bother trying to talk to anybody about it. Read him for the pleasure of it. Marcus Aurelius is alright, and Seneca's "On the Shortness of Life," is very good. Aristotle is a headache, don't bother. Read Plato's shorter books like Symposium, Gorgias and Theaetetus to see if you like the style. Read Confucius' "Analects," the "Tao Te Ching," and the "Dhammapada." That should be a good start.
+--- 21938356
+>>21938075
+Thanks :)
+--- 21938366
+rate my racism, sexism, homophobia, antisemitism cabinet collection
+--- 21938372
+>>21938322
+I only recently acquired the laws of power and will read it as a tactical understanding of possible future endeavors. ( I am a business major) 
+Jordans stuff I am not so interested in, it is something that just happened my way. 
+As for BAP, that is straight up garbage. I read likely 30 or so pages in before it dawned upon me that his entire point was to mock those who take him seriously. 
+As a side point, I think what you have put forward here is almost unbelievably considered for this board and I will take it seriously. I don't think I will get rid of the books, just due to the fact that I think they are important markers on my mental progress, if statements of infamy if nothing else, but I think you may be right about them. I haven't finished the laws of power yet and I still hold out hope for the contents therein. 
+Overall, I want to say thank you for such a well developed and genuine comment on what I have been considering.
+--- 21938415
+>>21938372
+>Business Major
+As sad as it is, it's probably a good idea to hold on to that book because some of these guys out here swear by it, live their lives by it, and you gotta know what you're dealing with, absolutely. I say what, not who, because these guys are products, not people. Guys who love "The Wolf of Wall Street." Psychopaths. Twitter users. Read up on it.
+https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25075647/
+--- 21938471
+pls be kind. I'm a simple man with simple tastes who has most of the same books he had when he was 12.
+Also the bookshelf is being shared with my gf hence all the John Green
+--- 21938474
+>>21938471
+Here's my horror section. I've kept all my Goosebumps and almost have a complete Horrorland collection.
+--- 21938475
+>>21938474
+--- 21938479
+>>21938366
+I can smell the imposter snydrom
+--- 21938484
+>>21938475
+Here's my most proud shelves. I'm a huge Peanuts fan and I have all 50 years of Peanuts along with a cool Valentines card my gf got me, some Peanuts playing cards, A Charlie Brown Christmas Jim Shore statue, some Peanuts pins and some Peanuts Pop Vinyls that I should really chuck out but I got the whole set for like $10 so I don't want to.
+--- 21938502
+>>21938475
+Spent a week in Skala Eresou in '09. Heaven on Earth.
+--- 21938509
+>>21938484
+And here's the last 3 shelves all put into 1 so I don't need to spam the thread anymore
+--- 21938516
+>>21938047
+If you can afford it you should buy the complete edition of Plato; reading the Republic alone without the context of his other works isn't usually to be recommended.
+
+Have you read The Brothers Karamazov, yet? He's my favourite author and all his works are marvelous, but I especially recommend Demons, my favourite novel, and Notes from the Underground, which is short enough that one can happily read it without too great a time commitment.
+--- 21938520
+>>21938509
+White American
+34
+Straight
+Married with children
+--- 21938537
+>>21938520
+Ffffff it ate the image when the captcha reloaded or smth
+--- 21938542
+>>21938537
+And then it quoted the wrong post fml
+--- 21938598
+>>21921376
+blurry pic can’t even see what half of titles are.
+--- 21938602
+>>21921381
+the only bust any man should have is Christ.
+--- 21938607
+>>21937238
+Freshman Math major
+--- 21938962
+>>21938479
+What an odd thing to say. You're implying positive things and I don't believe that you mean to.
+--- 21939169
+hi
+--- 21939179
+>>21938516
+Half way through with karamazov. Yeah didnt started republic yet, but I wanted small books so i can easily carry them around, because I mainly read outside in parks or in cafes. So I went with the 5 dialogues and the republic first. Dialogues I am almost through.
+--- 21939567
+>>21938520
+Not him but I'm that, slightly older, and much larger shelved
+--- 21939575
+>>21939169
+I have dozens of field guides
+--- 21939593
+Hard mode: post books that have actually been read.
+--- 21939809
+>>21939575
+i find most of my books in the dumpster :D
+--- 21939838
+>>21939593
+--- 21940135
+>>21923076
+>antinoos
+faggot
+--- 21940502
+>>21921761
+noice
+--- 21940575
+>>21938366
+/pol/ but he actually did his homework
+--- 21940587
+>>21940575
+uncracked spines so I guess he didn't
+--- 21940596
+>>21940575
+He skipped some important ones, but I guess he picked up some memes.
+>>21940587
+I don't understand. Are you incapable of reading without fucking your books up?
+--- 21940598
+>>21938454
+The Jewish Study Bible!
+I only have a pdf that I read a lot, I assume the quality of the hardback is garbage that's not even sewn?
+--- 21940601
+>>21939567
+I like a man with a big shelf
+--- 21940659
+>>21940596
+those long penguins don't get read without a little ware
+--- 21940704
+1/2
+--- 21940709
+2/2
+--- 21941393
+>>21940598
+Pretty much! It's the standard Oxford published study bible. Very very thin pages. Pages from my copy is already coming out. But I prefer printed material over pdf. The content is quite good.

lit/21921830.txt

@@ -865,3 +865,47 @@ While I agree with you on pretty much everything, I will say that attempts at tu
 It also seems to me that there are times and places where it is appropriate to form new ethnos, to articulate new ideas who's birth requires both a mixing and a spilling of blood in order to self actualize. Particularly in the new world this is evident: the Metis, the Gaucho, the Cowboy are all examples of this. The mixing of races can occasionally form a stronger ethnic purity than what existed before, and I think this is too often ignored by people who have the types of conversations we are having.
 
 The points about Socrates and statues are interesting. I will be keeping them in mind next time I'm reading the Greeks.
+--- 21938343
+I always love these threads because it's full of morons speculating about women when my gf is literally perfect and she hates women and men equally just like me.
+--- 21938481
+>>21923197
+They decided that decades later during the height of political propaganda.
+--- 21938498
+>>21937014
+>It also seems to me that there are times and places where it is appropriate to form new ethnos,
+Perhaps.. I think of the Gallo-Romans or Romano-Britons, arguably it was easier to show the evidence for 'ancient commonality' when your Gods and mythos are identical, only having different names.
+
+STILL,
+The question then is, if we recognize Ethnos as being a kind of baseline thing; unquestioning adherence to inherited habits, redisposition to following the immediate ociety we're born into, then if we surpass Ethnos are we any longer thinking in terms 'of' Ethnos? I would say that to determine whether an inherited custom is correct or incorrect would require Logos - at that point we'd be following Logos rather than Ethnos, that: Ethnos would have subordinated itself to Logic in order to extricate itself from the Pathos of unthinking habit (and the problems that arise from it). 
+
+But I think Logos would understand this anyway; that the notion of crushing down on Ethnos would be counter-productive and futile.
+--- 21938504
+>>21936941
+>practically on the level of a venus flytrap when it comes to complexity.
+A venus flytrap ain't complex but it sure as hell works at catching things inside it.
+--- 21938568
+>>21938481
+You know they're trans themselves, right?
+--- 21939441
+page 9 bump
+--- 21939656
+>>21939441
+kitteh widge a buuchk
+SORCERY
+--- 21940493
+>>21936078
+i think its ridiculous to portray the way women think as schizophrenia. if women think more emotionally its because they are more attuned to the situation directly and not relying on pre-established concepts.
+
+women dont believe the world exists for them. they just dont, as much, distance themselves from the situation as much as men and are more emotionally involved.
+
+>>21936093
+for women (and these are generalities of course) knowledge is increased simply through experience and intuition. for men they increase it through objective data, but the problem is that it inevitably falls apart after awhile.
+--- 21941751
+>>21922391
+Based buddhist
+--- 21941757
+>>21921830 (OP)
+Read the 'must-read' subforum on incels.is or the scientific blackpill section on the wiki.
+--- 21941798
+>>21931432
+This reads like it was written by a sexless incel.

lit/21929123.txt

@@ -772,3 +772,74 @@ No single tree takes soil more than they need.
 No single tree takes sunlight more than they need.
 Nature is the state of temperance.
 Capitalism is a human vice: avarice.
+--- 21938441
+>>21937728
+>corporate monopolies are like trees duuuuuude
+please dont reproduce
+--- 21938513
+>it's another 'americans think that capitalism and competition are the same thing' thread
+
+Over before it began.
+--- 21938517
+>invent boogeyman who exists everywhere and can't be defeated
+>live in a world of imagined horrors, and commit suicide.
+This is what schizophrenic people do. "Capitalism" isn't even a thing. Lol. People are just greedy.
+--- 21938754
+>>21938513
+It’s nice to know we live rent free in that tiny cranium of yours
+--- 21938839
+>>21929151
+What's funny is that for all the seething replies, this is actually an excellent example of capitalist realism. Imagining an alternative becomes so difficult that we project capitalism back not just to antiquity or to human prehistory, but to the dawn of life itself.
+--- 21938937
+>>21937870
+you're an idiot. When I say literally, I mean literally. Trees grow and expand their canopy so that nobody beneath them can get any sunlight, monopolizing the sunlight for themselves. kys retard
+--- 21938944
+>>21937870
+>No single tree takes soil more than they need.
+>No single tree takes sunlight more than they need.
+Also this is just stupidly wrong lmao
+--- 21938966
+>>21938937
+im sorry but explaining how trees grows doesnt help in the understanding of contemporary human society. its a completely vacuous analogy.
+--- 21938981
+>>21938937
+>>21938944
+Do you know what differentiates a donkey and a cow? Is it their characteristics, perhaps all the information in their DNA? Or simply our choice to separate them? Either way, I know, concretely, without a doubt, that you and I are not the same. You are a blind subhuman, that can't grasp the simple reality that is in front of you.
+--- 21939097
+>>21936081
+I’ll hang out for a bit, yeah.
+--- 21940109
+>>21932127
+>I haven't read the book, is it good?
+nobody in this thread has read it
+--- 21940893
+>>21938966
+>we are so le complex, le advanced, we are le human race
+>gelds his kid for moloch
+retard.
+--- 21940924
+>>21929123 (OP)
+History is a circle, not an arc or a line.
+--- 21940942
+>>21929225
+This anon is correct. In the current system, monopolies operate through government regulatory power - Increase taxes and regulations, and only the powerful will have the capital to meet the new standards. This is furthered through control of the supply chain, which allows corporations to collude with governments to orchestrate every step of the fabrication process in their favor.
+
+Everyone saying that governments break up monopolies is deluded. They're the monopoly of monopolies.
+--- 21940956
+>>21929344
+>Or the pessimist challenge that man is more evil than good? The deal with night side of humanity, the irrational, the evil, the infinite desire
+Accept and get over it.
+--- 21940986
+>>21935035
+Love is the pinnacle of bias. It inherently means that you view something or someone as being superior to others, as being more worthy.
+
+If you wouldn't murder for love, you don't love.
+--- 21941119
+>>21937705
+um, no? the regulations are there because governments still believe in the retarded idea of democracy, not because corporations demand it.
+--- 21941507
+>>21937723
+>hunter gatherers in california literally used seashells as currency
+Guess who didn't.
+
+Virtually everyone else

lit/21929539.txt

@@ -232,3 +232,59 @@ OP, did you like the book or not? You make one post about it being comfy and lik
 --- 21938004
 >>21929539 (OP)
 This book? Throw it in the trash!
+--- 21938234
+>>21929539 (OP)
+Mid book.
+--- 21938240
+>>21929539 (OP)
+Very not good.
+--- 21938298
+>>21929539 (OP)
+
+This is much comfier, IMO.
+--- 21938672
+>>21929539 (OP)
+Dumb book.
+--- 21938689
+>>21933018
+You mean Inger or Oline?
+I fucking hated Oline. Inger was cool in the beggining but after her comeback she's just your average "wife that you hate".
+Also Geissler is so based, loved him. He's a force of nature.
+--- 21938723
+>>21938689
+Inger is ugly. You like a book that praises the ugliness of the woman by marrying her off to the main character? Disgusting.
+--- 21939101
+>>21938672
+I kinda agree.
+--- 21939115
+>>21929539 (OP)
+Geissler is my favorite character.
+Also this book taught me that women ruin everything.
+--- 21939126
+>>21934221
+It's a "Slow/fast" board. In that we have no jannies cleaning it up so 90% of threads fall off the board with sub<20 replies and endless new threads about nothing//pol//women are spammed pushing each other off. This thread needs text controls like R9k where there's a minimum post length to start a thread.
+--- 21939246
+>>21938723
+She was ugly but very hard working. After her comeback it's stated multiple times that she was beautiful and the only thing that made her ugly was her harelip.
+--- 21939298
+>>21939246
+She loses the harelip but still has a scar so she is still ugly despite what the book says.
+--- 21939718
+>>21938298
+excerpt? qrd?
+--- 21939848
+>>21937374
+Whom is that.
+--- 21940085
+>>21938298
+thanks for the recommendation, this is excellent
+I hope it doesn't have a tragic ending
+--- 21940710
+>>21929539 (OP)
+Bump (I'm not OP)
+--- 21941634
+>>21932790
+So are you dead?
+--- 21941765
+>>21941634
+Yes

lit/21929820.txt

@@ -399,3 +399,42 @@ show me one (1) (uno)
 >>21937801
 >x=-x is not (the form of) a paradox btw
 Are you retarded?
+--- 21939366
+>>21937715
+General TOE solved by the CTMU concept of supertautology: 
+https://web.archive.org/web/20180804031758/http://www.megafoundation.org:80/CTMU/Articles/OnAbsoluteTruth.html
+Newcomb's Paradox solved by the CTMU concept of Nested Simulation Tableau: 
+https://megasociety.org/noesis/44/newcomb.html
+Schrödinger's Cat Paradox, wave function collapse, non-locality, and the arrow of time solved by the CTMU concepts of infocognition and conspansion:
+https://megasociety.org/noesis/47_noetic.pdf
+Russell's Paradox solved by the CTMU concept of TD duality:
+https://web.archive.org/web/20180828115852/http://www.megafoundation.org:80/CTMU/Articles/IntroCTMU.htm
+Cosmic origins, expansion, free will, and the arrow of time solved by the CTMU concepts of self-containment and self-determinacy: 
+https://web.archive.org/web/20150609232920/http://www.iscid.org/papers/Langan_CTMU_092902.pdf
+--- 21939697
+>>21937715
+General TOE solved by the CTMU concept of supertautology: https://archive.is/ySAJz
+Newcomb's Paradox solved by the CTMU concept of a Nested Simulation Tableau: https://megasociety.org/noesis/44/newcomb.html
+Schrödinger's Cat Paradox, wave function collapse, wave-particle duality, nonlocality, and the arrow of time solved by the CTMU concepts of infocognition and conspansion: https://megasociety.org/noesis/47_noetic.pdf
+Russell's Paradox solved by the CTMU concept of TD duality: https://archive.is/4JRoA
+Cosmic origins, expansion, free will, and the arrow of time solved by the CTMU concepts of self-containment and self-determinacy: https://web.archive.org/web/20150609232920/http://www.iscid.org/papers/Langan_CTMU_092902.pdf
+Two-Envelope Paradox solved by an application of CTMU-derived relativistic logic: https://web.archive.org/web/20170928040510/http://www.megafoundation.org:80/CTMU/Articles/EconRel.html
+Origin of language solved by the CTMU SCSPL formalism: https://megasociety.org/noesis/87.pdf
+--- 21939717
+>>21939697
+Oh no no no atheistsisters this can't be happening... the CTMU was supposed to be a mess incoherent gibberish with no structure... it's over... no... NONONO.... MOMMY MOMMY AHHHHHH HOW IS HIS HEAD SO BIG MOMMMY GOD FAKE GOD FAKE GOD FAKE SIRI OPEN R/TF2MEMES HEY SIRI HEY ALEXA PLAY RICHARD DAWKINS COMPILATION RIGHT NOW SIRI HEY GOOGLE PLAY NERDCUBED LET'S PLAY FUNNIEST MOMENTS
+--- 21939834
+>>21939717
+GOOGLE OPEN UCLA GENDER-INCLUSIVE RESTROOM MAP GOOGLE FIND UCLA COUNSELING PLAY STEVEN UNIVERSE PLAY PORTAL STILL ALIVE PLAY DISCORD CAT MEMES PLAY BLASPHEMY 101 ON YOUTUBE OK ALEXA DOWNLOAD GOD DELUSION DOWNLOAD HEY GOOGLE SEARCH DANIEL DENNET BOOKS OK ALEXA DOWNLOAD CONSCIOUSNESS EXPLAINED BY DANIEL DENNET OK GOOGEL PLAY TRANS TIKTOK COMPILATION DONWLOAD ALL STEVEN PINKER BOOKS AND SEND TO MY KINDLE HEY SIRI GO TO EGG IRL ON REDDIT HEY SIRI OPEN ANIMEMES ON REDDIT OK ALEXA PLAY MY HERO ACADEMIA SEASON 2 ON CRUNCHYROLL SIRI OPEN ANIMAL CROSSING OK GOOGLE PLAY NINTENDO MUSIC NO THOUGHTS HEAD EMPTY GOOGLE PLAY TOUHOU MEMES ON YOUTUBE RIGHT FUCKING NOW OPEN SWITCH STORE OPEN INKBUNNY
+--- 21940129
+>>21929837
+kek yes i totally forgot about this
+--- 21940143
+How embarrassing, Chris. You're much too old to shitpost on 4chan.
+--- 21940435
+CTMU is just a logical framework for some provable theory to fit in, as in its state now its just abstract gibberish leading to far-out hypotheses
+--- 21940486
+CORTANA PLAY VAUSH PLAY CHAPO PLAY DESTINY PLAY PKRUSSL PLAY KURZGESAGT CONTRAPOINTS MOMMYYYYY TELL HIM THE CTMU IS WRONG TELL HIM
+--- 21941094
+>>21939697
+What's the solution to Newcomb's "paradox"? Is Langan a one boxer or two boxer?

lit/21930287.txt

@@ -374,3 +374,13 @@ He was so much older then. He's younger than that now.
 A proper diet with the right nutrients for ypur skin counteracts the sun 'aging' it. Like don't stay out all day but there's heaos of tanned oeople witj good skin in their 60s.
 --- 21937338
 You can't just create another category of Nobel prizes. The will is already written and known. The only new prize (economy) is actually the central bank's prize to his memory, and not a real Nobel prize.
+--- 21938109
+>>21932858
+I agree with this. The simple reality is that Bob Dylan outlived most of his hippie era peers and managed to keep a relatively steady pace of artistic output over the decades.
+--- 21939484
+>>21930383
+>>21930412
+>t.
+--- 21940379
+>>21930287 (OP)
+I prefer your board to this one honestly

lit/21930981.txt

@@ -391,3 +391,55 @@ Taking turns with the shovel, however inefficient the tool was, helped in cleari
 >>21937995
 >>21938002
 I understand that the formatting might also be off putting? Again fairly new to writing, I just have a bunch of stories in my head, that I feel I should put out in some form or the other. Recently after reading Ficciones by Jorge Luis Borges, I realized short stories could be it if I cannot put out anything full length. This is obviously the first draft, I don't have a lot of direction on this but I wanted to share this here, what's the harm. Apologies for any spelling mistakes in the draft too, I'm retarded.
+--- 21938353
+bump
+--- 21938590
+>>21938013
+I don’t have a lot of advice because I’m just a beginner also, but don’t beat yourself up about mistakes.
+--- 21938606
+>>21930981 (OP)
+I went to pick up my car from the strip mall parking lot after my coworker drunk drove me back to my apartment after we got hammered playing pool after our fourth day of twelve hour night-shifts in the factory.
+--- 21938743
+paraplegic
+Hairless was his lower lip as it moved across my peripheral vision like molasses. Sledgehammer man slumped back, the shape of a dented vehicle.
+ “Somebody point me to the novel section.”
+Mouth agape and ever furrowed, it swallowed mouthfuls of air from time to time. Eyes like bickering seaweed magnified by a pair of spectacled glasses shone around wildly. The metal contraption that stood beneath him, scaffold-like & gnawing & intricate & bountiful & jutted at all sides & glistened in the sun & was as much the man as the man was it, had been his sole mode of transport.
+ “oooh this book on Italian recipes is really a fine one.” 
+truncated & low his mouth hung & hung. The vast dental floss wheels - hypnotizing moth eaten passerby’s as they swiveled empty novice heads across these halls, were transfixed by its spinning luster – left ever so noticeable tread marks on polystyrene graveled floors. Wisps of hair like whisps of yore, blonde and scraggly, hung & left a dancing trail behind him, if photographed with a low shutter speed camera would produce blinding curves. Bransisco Jeremiah. Nobody in these halls knew of his name. Sporting an outfit that was anachronistic to a tea and topical like razor wire, it’s burgundy & linen colors wafted in his seat. The leather brown slacks – of which no discernable brand of origin could be identified – rested painfully still atop stirrups of rasterized steel. Bountiful & ever flowing & succumbed & weary seemed his silhouette straddled on all sides by this steadily unmoving metal contraption. Like a bag of potatoes without air or potatoes, or like a sleeping curtain after having been released from its bolstering holdings, or like the opaque sometimes full, sometimes half full polyethylene trash bags that adorned the streets outside these halls like christmas lights, the mans silhouette was that of a defeated snake, a tired alligator. Nobody in these halls knew of his name.
+“Let me know when its closing times.”
+He roamed & roamed & roamed & rolled & roamed. His metallurgic machine like a radio wire flying carpet carpeted him and & he roamed. Seats were filled in these air-conditioned halls – bionic individuals sat & studied & listened – with slanted aquarium roofs allowing meagre sunlight to slither its way in & bounce merrily off the cylindrical support beams & red truncated shelves. Merrily Bransisco straddled his cushioned armrest & followed an invisible path forward, jelly rolled eyes observing, darting to and fro, focusing on seemingly random points in space. The clandestine eye movement like a leopard shark on the hunt.
+--- 21938747
+“ooh this looks like a good one” he semi-shouted- semi-whispered in a directionless sonar around him – half-bleating, half-rasping, its sound – amalgamation of different voices – rattled & rattled & rattled on whenever he spoke his punctual & harmless & texture less & without purpose seeming & in essence short sentences.
+“there’s no time like the present”
+From my seat – identical in shape & size & color & general attitude as the 400 such other seats scattered & seated upon & lounged within & nestled around by bug-eyed individuals, much like myself – I witnessed a smorgasbord of solemn-eyed individuals slaloming to and from & around Bransisco like a whirlpool of busying bees & chaotic witches. Whisps of newspaper scraps & light pages of light novels flew & scurried up & down & over. On less busy days the atmosphere of an airport cemetery hangs around this place.
+“I should really get going” he quietly & softly mumbled to nobody, only to himself. Bransisco knew he had nowhere to go. Bransisco never left these halls, his presence had inhabited these walls since time immemorial, his only venturing & moving – of a speed that always remained the same molasses-like & without sudden stops or jerks & seemingly never ending – Bransisco seemed beyond the day & night cycle - & was decided by either Bransisco or the machine he sat upon – were limited entirely to these wall-enclosed perimeter. 
+Bransisco roams these halls forever. Bransisco shouts wildly in the air forever. Bransisco finds no solace in death. Bransisco lingers for not a moment longer. Bransisco feels the freedom of these shelves. Bransisco Roams These Halls Forever.
+__
+i still have to write some transitions
+--- 21938780
+>>21930981 (OP)
+I dont write but i thought of some funny rap lyrics in the shower today it goes
+
+im the best im the best my rhymes will choke ya
+you will croak ya,
+you stink your poor you belong in a bog
+like frog, like a hog imma crush you with a log
+--- 21939336
+>>21937759
+>>21937763
+very cool, i didn't know alectryomancy was even a thing and you turned it into something archaically, divinely, esoterically interesting. witch-like & secretive
+"nape and bib blackened"
+--- 21940122
+bump
+--- 21940183
+>>21939336
+Thank you good buddy, very kind
+--- 21940192
+>>21938353
+>>21940122
+I think if you (singular or plural) engage with the stories already posted with some critique or advice instead of just bumping that would get more of a natural discussion going ensuring it stays up and allow others to see ensuring they post their own stories.
+--- 21940542
+>>21940192
+yes, but that would be too heterosexual for him.
+--- 21941143
+My reference list to my 30 pages term paper. I'd rather not...

lit/21931002.txt

@@ -286,3 +286,97 @@ The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed (The dark t
 >>21937919
 I wouldn't say that I believe in "progress" at any cost, that's too absolute, but if it were up to me I would divert more resources into things like energy production, ecology and anti aging, things to make humanity and its existence more robust. 
 But that doesn't mean I would want to kill people over that, because that would kind of defeated the point in the first place.
+--- 21938365
+>>21931026
+Came here to say this brother. It really is a great opening and kind of a shit book.
+--- 21938431
+>>21937774
+He explicitly argued against that type of defeatist "you'll die anyway so who cares lol". His view was that humanity and most life on Earth would be wiped out or at least totally enslaved by technology. Later, in prison, he developed his ideas and come down more on the side of tech wiping out all life. The current AI race is the exact kind of thing he discussed: massively powerful, unstable, and dangerous tech being developed because it offers a short-term competitive advantage for the systems using it. Any company or nation that refuses to use AI will be dominated by those that do. But the potential downsides to AI are catastrophic. Tech won't be controlled or modulated which is why he concluded that action to destroy it was the only possible solution. I don't know if he's right but he can't just be dismissed out of hand if you read his better-argued works like Anti-Tech Revolution.
+--- 21938444
+>>21935168
+You are totally right, anon. that other guy is way off the fucking mark. He is so far off it has to be bait, actually. Ishmael is very very clearly using a pseudonym purposefully to conjure biblical allusions, and that is the entire reason the line is famous.
+--- 21938445
+>>21935192
+You are a fucking idiot
+--- 21938476
+For a long time, I went to bed early.
+--- 21938561
+>>21934461
+For me, it's the opening of Quentin's chapter.
+--- 21938566
+>>21934275
+Nice
+--- 21938613
+>>21931168
+this
+--- 21938846
+>>21937920
+That's my father's favorite opening line.
+--- 21939340
+>its time I focused on my problem. Who does not have a problem?--everybody has one.
+--- 21939352
+Two households, both alike in dignity, in fair Verona, where we lay our scene.
+--- 21939358
+>>21931026
+My exact thoughts.
+--- 21939367
+>>21934275
+based Garnett poster
+--- 21939370
+>>21931023
+Yeah, Ted is pretty pathetic... A failed tranny and dog rapist, good verbal skills of course so that he could plagiarise the fuck our of Zerzan and Hoffer without making it too obvious. But the classic mentally ill person who thinks that things could be made better if only he could make the whole world as broken as he is.
+--- 21939475
+An empire, long divided, must unite; long united, must divide.
+--- 21939481
+>>21931002 (OP)
+I had reached the age of six hundred and fifty miles.
+--- 21939489
+Holy fucking shit, that's a hook if i ever saw one. What is it from? 
+>inb4 "mine"
+--- 21939498
+>>21931918
+>>21934265
+>>21931918
+I think i found it, a shame.
+--- 21940196
+>>21931002 (OP)
+HI MY NAME IS EBONY DARK'NESS DEMENTIA RAVEN WAY AND I HAVE LONG EBONY BLACK HAIR (THAT'S HOW I GOT MY NAME) WITH PURPLE STREAKS AND RED TIPS THAT REACHES MY MID-BACK AND ICY BLUE EYES LIKE LIMPID TEARS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE TELL ME I LOOK LIKE AMY LEE (AN: IF U DON'T KNOW WHO SHE IS GET DA HELL OUT OF HERE!). I'M NOT RELATED TO GERARD WAY BUT I WISH I WAS BECAUSE HE'S A MAJOR FUCKING HOTTIE. I'M A VAMPIRE BUT MY TEETH ARE STRAIGHT AND WHITE. I HAVE PALE WHITE SKIN. I'M ALSO A WITCH, AND I GO TO A MAGIC SCHOOL CALLED HOGWARTS IN ENGLAND WHERE I'M IN THE SEVENTH YEAR (I'M SEVENTEEN). I'M A GOTH (IN CASE YOU COULDN'T TELL) AND I WEAR MOSTLY BLACK. I LOVE HOT TOPIC AND I BUY ALL MY CLOTHES FROM THERE. FOR EXAMPLE TODAY I WAS WEARING A BLACK CORSET WITH MATCHING LACE AROUND IT AND A BLACK LEATHER MINISKIRT, PINK FISHNETS AND BLACK COMBAT BOOTS. I WAS WEARING BLACK LIPSTICK, WHITE FOUNDATION, BLACK EYELINER AND RED EYE SHADOW. I WAS WALKING OUTSIDE HOGWARTS. IT WAS SNOWING AND RAINING SO THERE WAS NO SUN, WHICH I WAS VERY HAPPY ABOUT. A LOT OF PREPS STARED AT ME. I PUT UP MY MIDDLE FINGER AT THEM.
+--- 21940237
+>>21935737
+Is this elliot rodger?
+--- 21940270
+>>21940196
+Game over, white boy
+--- 21940666
+>>21931002 (OP)
+Jackie Brown at twenty-six, with no expression on his face, said that he could get some guns.
+--- 21940767
+NIGGERS could be here
+--- 21940792
+>>21940767
+Lol I can't
+--- 21940951
+It was love at first sight.
+--- 21941012
+>>21934275
+He's literally me
+--- 21941741
+>>21931023
+That's not the first opening phrase of the book. There's an entire thing about types of whales before that.
+--- 21941761
+>It was the year when they finally immanentized the Eschaton. On April 1, the world's great powers came closer to nuclear war than ever before, all because of an obscure island named Fernando Poo.
+--- 21941783
+>>21937112
+Don't buy that. Buy Technological Slavery from Fitch & Madison.
+--- 21941806
+>>21939370
+I just find his arguments profoundly unconvincing. It all hinges on a layman's psychology that claims that so-called "surrogate" activities are, by definition, not as fulfilling as the real power-process, which he arbitrarily circumscribes to be just about ensuring survival. 
+I don't buy that at all. I enjoy surrogate activities immensely, and the fact that he is championed on a board about literature appreciation, the superfluous surrogate activity par excellence, is just profoundly ironic.
+But in a way, his manner of reasoning betrays that he has not fully appreciated the problem of technology either. I agree with both Heidegger and Adorno that the problem of technology is not a problem with technological gadgets and inventions as such, but rather a problem with the mode of thought that engenders both their invention and simultaneously considers it beyond questioning that their development is good and desirable. 
+It's the prevalence and ubiquity of means-end reasoning that put us here in the first place, and the cure is to engender appreciation of ends-in-themselves - which are, PRECISELY, the surrogate activities that Kaczynski derides. 
+Philosophically speaking, it is a completely failed book. Politically as well, as in the most cruelly ironic twist of fate, he has mostly inspired a cadre of permanently online aesthetes who like using technology as a surrogate activity to project a self-image of being very radical mavericks.
+--- 21941809
+>There are things which are within our power, and there are things which are beyond our power. Within our power are opinion, aim, desire, aversion, and, in one word, whatever affairs are our own. Beyond our power are body, property, reputation, office, and, in one word, whatever are not properly our own affairs.
+--- 21941840
+>>21940237
+unmistakably

lit/21931233.txt

@@ -130,3 +130,139 @@ If you replace "destruction by aliens" with "destruction of Earth's biosphere du
 smooth-brained indolent retards will declare any attempt to expand into space as "escapism" and will condemn us all to die on this rock while bloviating about egalitarian we are.
 
 This attitude towards space exploration is already disturbingly common even among supposed "liberals".
+--- 21938381
+>>21936848
+What was bullshit about time dilator 9000, scientifically speaking? I only remember that his daughter got older while he didn't thanks to the healing effect of Hans Zimmer.
+--- 21938421
+>>21931233 (OP)
+What are everyones thoughts on Zhang Beihai? At first I considered him to be completely correct, at least with the info he possesed, but at the very end with the Battle of Darkness I could only consider him as a demon. Everything up to creation of Starship Earth was justifiable and reasonable or well calculated gambles. But after the Great Destruction he clearly knew what would happen with Starship Earth and he most calmly went ahead anyway. A demon. A man who would rather turn humans into beasts than to let humanity fade away peacefully. A man who'd rather create a Hegelian negative infinity than cease. A man for whom survival is enough. At least he somewhat redeemed himself in the end, as his hesitation made Blue Galaxy fairly sinless.
+--- 21939171
+>>21938421
+Zhang Beihai ran away from responsibility when it mattered the most and killed everyone on his crew including himself.
+
+Living isn't a sin.
+--- 21939386
+>>21939171
+His mistake didn't matter. As he said himself - it is all the same. I mean, maybe he could become some sort of God Emperor being revived every odd hundred years or so for a few weeks to make a review, but I doubt he wanted that. I think all he wanted was to become the sin eater and take all responsibility for himself and away from his children, and then actually retire. By his very own morality there was no "his crew", all ships were equal. 
+
+>Living isn't a sin
+I am not talking of a Christian sin, but more of a Budhist one - one that you carve out for yourself, which poisons you, your thinking, your emotions, your society. Whatever sins we bear now, they pale to becoming a lost, doomed cannibal, fraternal murderer who betrayed their comrades to add just a tiny sliver of chance to the grim odds of your survival. Because survival is not enough.
+--- 21939470
+>>21939386
+>His mistake didn't matter.
+The longer he waited, the more people on the various ships would realize the true situation, and the more likely it was that any strikes would end in mutual destruction with no one surviving. It was only luck that that didn't happen. He should have taken action the second he understood.
+
+>Whatever sins we bear now, they pale to becoming a lost, doomed cannibal, fraternal murderer who betrayed their comrades to add just a tiny sliver of chance to the grim odds of your survival.
+A billion years of evolution, which is cannibalism, murder, inadvertent killing, and genocide is responsible for your life as it exists. Choosing to bear that as a sin is the real poison. If that's how you think, why even continue living at all?
+That was humanity's entire problem in this story. Outside a few individuals, humanity had no will to live.
+They were perfectly happy to die together under the bombardment of an alien fleet. They were perfectly happy to relocate themselves to human reservations to await genocide. They were perfectly happy to wait around in the solar system for the Sun to be blown up. And they were perfectly happy to seal themselves in a cosmic tomb till the end of time.
+And life goes on in the rest of the universe without them.
+--- 21939527
+>>21939470
+well said anon
+--- 21939729
+>>21937806
+This anon is correct except that upon doing tons of attempts at space travel we're going to discover that it's basically impossible to colonize other planets. It literally is our destiny to die on this rock while decadent retards waste what's left of industrial civilization's wealth on nonsense. Just like in the book where humanity ultimately fails and gets turned into a forever stagnant solar system sized painting.
+--- 21939767
+>>21939729
+Even if terraforming or biologically self-sustaining habitats on other planets proves impossible, the least we could do is move polluting heavy industries like mining, refining, chemical production, and maybe even industrial agriculture into space.
+At the size of our current civilization the asteroid belt is essentially infinite resources and that's only the closest of our solar system's reserves.
+--- 21939779
+>>21934616
+false. advanced beyond our current innovation != non-realistic. You have been watching too much star trek, and reading too little Greg Egan. The furthest Egan goes in most of his stories is that consciousness is computational - beyond that, his stories are typically grounded in reality, although there are of course many exceptions (the farcical interpretation of quantum mechanics in "Quarantine", the CTMU levity of Dust Theory, the metaphysical multiverse brainstorming of "Schild's Ladder", etc)
+--- 21939790
+>>21939779
+if you don't literally see it happening, there is stretching. e.g. everyone thinks it's realistic to show "deep virtual reality" like the matrix; but is it really; did you prove the human brain can really disconnect from the current world in full?
+--- 21939793
+>>21935534
+I disagree with this. That is not the best that a scifi author can do. There is plenty of room between "actual physical 2023 reality" and "non-physical given 2023 understanding of physics".
+
+For example, consider a fiction book about a reality where the Apollo missions had continued and been scaled up, and a moon base was established. 
+Would you really consider this "unproven"? 
+
+I suppose in the extreme sense of the word, "unproven" could refer to any minor deviation from physical reality - but that seems like an unnecessarily strict razor with which to classify scifi. 
+
+At that point, you'd start claiming that modern-day dramas are "unproven", just because they tell stories that haven't happened in real life.
+--- 21939802
+>>21939790
+ok, so "Juno" is unproven scifi in your mind, then? How about "No country for old men"? I don't like the idea that any story that deviates from physical reality is declared "unrealistic" simply because it deviates from reality.
+A fictional story about an apollo mission where they play basketball instead of golf on the moon is not "unrealistic" or "unproven". Come on. They could have brought a basketball hoop.
+--- 21939825
+>>21939802
+that's not what I meant. most of the time when we think we see something realistic: we just don't know better; if you ask the actual specialists of an area they will find holes; you don't only have to be good at science but also good at a specialized area of science to get it (which is almost nobody reading/watching a story).
+
+of course you can partly "cheat" by going the "super agnostic" route; i.e. imply that even if current science denies it: current science may be wrong; but that's shaky ground because current science doesn't guess that much.
+--- 21939861
+>>21939779
+Some of his stories like the Orthogonal trilogy explore hypothetical universes with different laws of physics to ours, in fact they're probably the best exploration of alternate physics ever done.
+
+The guy is a mathematical genius and he does in depth write-ups on all the science and math behind his work.
+https://www.gregegan.net/ORTHOGONAL/ORTHOGONAL.html
+https://vimeo.com/21742266
+--- 21939880
+>>21931233 (OP)
+--- 21939998
+>>21939825
+I don't think you understand. I browse project Rho and play kerbal space program. I'm one of the people to ask.
+--- 21940005
+>>21939825
+when I say "realistic", I am talking about Moon, or the first half of 2001, or Passages in the Void (sans the mental simulation stuff), or Tau Zero. 
+
+I am NOT talking about some episode of scifi fluff that includes an extra dose of technobabble.
+--- 21940053
+>>21933141
+>Wade did nothing wrong
+He let Cheng Xin make an objectively stupid choice every chance he got, effectively dooming humanity
+Zhang Beihai is where it’s at
+--- 21940068
+>>21939729
+>he isn’t O’Neill pilled
+--- 21940112
+>>21939729
+>>21939767
+This only holds if no sort of FTL-equivalent gets discovered. Let's not fall for the myth of Progress here, but let's not also forget that there was a time when tacking a sailboat was "pagan sorcery". Paradigms are unchanging until they change.
+--- 21940178
+>>21940112
+The FTL meme is the worst thing to ever happen to sci-fi.
+There's zero reason to think it might be possible, and everything we know says it isn't.
+
+The idea should be regarded with the same level of seriousness as psionic telekinesis abilities and killing-your-own-grandfather time travel paradoxes.
+--- 21940212
+>>21940178
+There was zero reason to think that the moon was made out of the same matter as the Earth until there was.
+--- 21940223
+>>21931395
+Exhalation was fucking trash
+--- 21940224
+>>21940212
+But there wasn't any reason to think it couldn't be made out of the same material as Earth either.
+--- 21940240
+>>21940224
+Other than the mountains of philosophy based on an incomplete understanding of reality that said that there was in fact very good reason to doubt the claim that the moon and Earth had anything in common. If you want to reject Progress, you have to reject the idea that our understanding of reality will ever be complete. Saying that we have achieved total understanding, or that we did and have deviated, is just trying to get Progress to point another direction. 
+
+I'm saying that we should just get rid of it all together.
+--- 21940246
+>>21940240
+>>21940224
+Part of what started Galileo getting in trouble with the church was that his observation of a comet moving closer to Earth violated the, at the time, church dogma concerning the nature of the celestial spheres as solid spheres made out of quintessence that could not be breached by anything, even more quintessence.
+--- 21940678
+>>21940240
+I'm not against imagining things deemed to be impossible, picking a single "what if" and constructing a story exploring that concept is a common formula that great hard sci-fi authors use, however imaging without considering the implications is bad writing and purposeless.
+FTL happens to be an extreme case where the implications are as far reaching as invalidating even concepts of basic causality, but when used in stories it's almost always as a crutch so the author doesn't have to think about things like time-delays and relativity when their story spans interstellar distances.
+It's lazy.
+--- 21940988
+>>21940053
+Luo Ji was the second only to Wade.
+>autistic neet virgin
+>uses entire world’s economy to get 10/10 waifu and fucks off
+>asspulls an idea
+>somehow becomes a sigma male
+>aliens do not fuck with humanity for 100 years just because of him
+
+The fairy tales in the third one was fucking kino too.
+--- 21941212
+>>21931233 (OP)
+It's just not based in bland faceless agenda-filled uninspired modern western canon. It succeeds in developing characters beyond the state of talking head dummies, and incorporates philosophy into the narrative instead of focusing on castrated echo camber entertainment and repetitive action.
+--- 21941808
+>>21931233 (OP)
+So was that entire scene where Taylor speaks with not-ISIS leader about Asomov's Foundation just intellectual onanism by the author to break the fourth wall and say "good endings are... LE BAD!"?

lit/21931505.txt

@@ -313,3 +313,40 @@ Anglo "historians" are trash.
 --- 21937648
 >>21937181
 That's exactly what certain countries need
+--- 21938654
+bump
+--- 21939628
+>>21937232
+What aspects?
+--- 21940756
+I was never too interested in WW2 but after reading the American Pravda by Ron Unz I got interested. https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-understanding-world-war-ii/
+
+Is The Origins of The Second World War by A.J.P. Taylor a good starting point in an alternative view of WW2 and what led to it or its there some other book better to start with?
+I also heard good things about Stalin's War by Sean McMeekin
+--- 21940797
+>>21931505 (OP)
+If you really want to understand the foundation of Hitler's thinking reading Wagner is a must. For the most complete introduction to his political philosophy read Judaism in Music, Some Explanations Concerning "Judaism in Music", What is German?, On German Art and German Politics and lastly Opera and Drama.
+
+>Beside the polish of these latinised nations of Europe, and suffering under the un-German-ness of all his higher social system (Lebensverfassung), is the German already tottering to his fall; or dwells there in him still a faculty of infinite importance for the redemption of Nature, but therefore only cultivable by endless patience, and ripening toward full consciousness amid most wearisome delays—a faculty whose full development might recompense a new and broader world for the fall of this old world that overshadows us to-day?
+--- 21941101
+>>21940756]
+Other good alternative books are
+>Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War 
+>Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War
+--- 21941192
+>>21931728
+>Anglo-American empire that wants to destroy every culture, religion, and even basic human virtues.
+You are a fucken coward. The empire you are referring to is Anglo-Jewish. The Jews took over as the do anywhere a high trust people thrive. WWII drove the Jews to the US. The holocaust is the forced eviction of the pure evil Jews of German being forced to flee to America. And now that America has the satanic psychotic psychological ethno narcissistic Jews they are the ones perpetrating evil upon the world.
+--- 21941193
+>>21935932
+Ah, saw it!
+But still, why?
+--- 21941195
+>>21937232
+Which aspect? He advocate for animal rights, good road works, exercise, eating vegetables, quality inventions, children's well-being, women and men's well-fair, fair wages
+--- 21941242
+>>21941193
+They just also collect that data. It also shows that the American system is quite good. American whites and asians do better than Japanese, Korean, and Taiwanese students (ethnostates), as well as better than pretty much every European country (granted they also have their own low IQ races replacing the natives).
+--- 21941251
+>>21931529
+Already read this, led me to read the whole book and I am literally Hitler.

lit/21931535.txt

@@ -75,3 +75,37 @@ Proactively refuted by Husserl in Philosophy as Rigorous Science.
 >>21937008
 Did someone take me on my rec? 
 Is there hope for this board?
+--- 21938423
+>>21937113
+Based anon but no I have read everything of Husserl translated in French.
+--- 21938603
+>>21937008
+How
+--- 21939238
+>>21938603
+How about you read it, its a very quick book, it was published as an article in Logos.
+--- 21939404
+>>21939238
+I'm not going to go out of my way to read a book without a promise that's it's worth it. What's the lede of the book? Summarize it, and if it's good, I'll read it.
+--- 21939846
+>>21939404
+Kys.
+--- 21940054
+>>21939846
+How does Husserl try to overcome Heidegger without falling to his method of destruktion?
+--- 21940980
+>>21940054
+By calling not for a rejection of anglo empiricism but for a widening of the concept of experience to include both particulars and essences. And also, by just not giving a fuck
+> "[Heidegger is ]involved in the formation of a philosophical system of the kind which I have always considered my life’s work to make forever impossible." 
+> - Husserl, ‘Letter to Alexander Pfänder, January 6, 1931’
+--- 21941204
+>>21931535 (OP)
+Before dekving into Husserl, what is his actual connection to Descartes? Does he have anything interesting to add? I ask because Descartes' Rules are straightforward enough I don't see what someone else would add or change about them.
+--- 21941340
+>>21941204
+>I ask because Descartes' Rules are straightforward enough I don't see what someone else would add or change about them.
+You mean the Rules of the Direction of the Mind? No, Husserl doesn't add on to those specifically. I don't see him disagreeing with any of it, in fact a significant part of his philosophy serves to justify 1. 
+The connection with Descartes comes in rather late, at least 25 years into his writing career, and marks more or less the affirmation of transcendental idealism within phenomenology. Having isolated the pure ego, he uses Descarte's Cogito to expose its principle, although pushing it much beyond what Descartes did himself. As such, Husserl's use of the Cogito is often referred to as a radicalization. 
+Shameless copy post from notes because I'm still just about 50% sure I'm replying to bots. 
+> Every actual cogito has an intentional object (and is a mode of thinking about something). The cogito itself may become a cogitatum if the principle that "I think" becomes an object of consciousness. Thus, in the cogito, the act of thinking may become an intentional object. However, in contrast to the Cartesian principle that "I think, therefore I am" (cogito ergo sum), the phenomenologically reduced cogito is a suspension of judgment about whether "I am" or whether "I exist." The phenomenologically reduced cogito is a suspension of judgment about the question of whether thinking implies existence. Thus, phenomenology examines the cogito as a pure intuition, and as an act of pure consciousness. 
+Also note that Husserl very rarely directly tackles another philosopher. Most of the time if Husserl addresses someone its a contemporary with whom he is in open dispute. If his own works brings him in a territory that was already uncovered by another philosopher, and he sees an opportunity to specify his own theory further by contrast, then he will mention the author (such as Descarte's Cogito, or kantian or neo-kantian theories). If he dislikes someone or believes they are not doing anything close to philosophy, he will not speak their name (I do not believe he ever mentions Nietzsche once, for example).

lit/21931672.txt

@@ -97,3 +97,26 @@ Thank you, knower.
 --- 21937707
 >>21936813
 Kek
+--- 21938984
+>grandpa found the anarcho-communist fanfic of Lord of the Rings
+--- 21939536
+>>21933680
+>sensual yet metaphorical yet still definitely sexual but ultimately transcendent troubadour love's liege's courtly romance poetry
+This sounds interesting, where do I find this?
+--- 21939830
+>>21939536
+Look where his mom did. If you wanna find her, just ask anyone in town.
+--- 21939910
+>>21931672 (OP)
+kekd, screen shotted first 5
+--- 21939915
+>that feel when the End Times hit
+--- 21940057
+>landlord finds the cum diary
+--- 21940585
+>>21939910
+there are like 20 other threads like this 
+https://warosu.org/lit/thread/S21858690
+https://warosu.org/lit/thread/S21811627
+--- 21941098
+>>21933671

lit/21931848.txt

@@ -210,3 +210,87 @@ It is a metaphor for Uruk before Gilgames' journey
 --- 21938081
 >>21931848 (OP)
 Did you know that the pope shits in his hat in the woods
+--- 21938171
+>>21931848 (OP)
+Did you know that George Orwell was a tag-team champion with James Burnham and Animal Farm was the product of countless nights on the road together travelling from town to town and Burnham explaining his theory of the managerial class?
+--- 21938237
+>>21937696
+When was ther trade without capitalism?
+Did people in the past use labor as a metric of value rather than market value?
+--- 21938274
+>>21933481
+"Far Right" as a term has essentially devolved into hating social and cultural progressivism (faggots, trannies and so forth), with very little focus on economic issues. If anybody uses it as a serious label for others, keep in mind that a progressive from the 40's would be "Far Right" according to them.
+--- 21938329
+>>21933481
+A democrat from 30 years ago
+--- 21939291
+>>21938237
+People and resources are valued. Money “capital” came out of avarice for rarities which wasn’t a thing until after the imperialists started the practice of stealing whole people. Trading rare soft (useless but decorative) metals too, wasn’t a thing nomadic or even agrarian people did. Only the sickly bully states need these status symbols.
+
+“Trade” as we’re talking about is also know as sharing. Sharing is not a part of capitalism.
+--- 21939355
+>>21939291
+Ok but my main point was "capitalism" never transitioned from feudalism
+It existed far before it did
+--- 21939476
+>>21936424
+--- 21939506
+>>21933481
+Well, unfortunately, few people have a genuine grasp of politics. Unfortunately, "far-right" means different things to different people, which means it really doesn't exist as anything more than a way to ridicule your opponent.
+Look at "fascism" and national socialism, for example. They don't fall under right nor left, but rather they fall under the third position. Why is this? Because "left" and "right" are economic liberal concepts that use capitalism as the foundation, and "third position" completely rejects the ideas of liberal capitalism. People who don't understand politics look at "third position" as a "far-right cope" and this has a lot more to do with the individual's inability to comprehend it. This is why "the nazis are left" and "the nazis are far right" depending on who you talk to. 
+So, what is "the far right"? At this point, it's someone who is just firm on the right-wing perspective on capitalism. But in reality, there is no "far-right", just as their is no "far-left". But that's probably not something that can be discussed here.
+--- 21940565
+>>21939506
+>Why is this? Because "left" and "right" are economic liberal concepts
+>it's someone who is just firm on the right-wing perspective on capitalism.
+Absolutely incorrect, left/right dichotomy is not merely contained within the sphere of the economic, you have "right wingers" who criticize Capitalism for pete's sake.
+--- 21940800
+>>21940565
+>>21939506
+Left and right come from the French Revolution and have very little to to with economics
+--- 21940805
+>>21931848 (OP)
+Did you know that 1984 was actually supposed to be called 1948 and was really just about post war Europe?
+--- 21941288
+USSR here, it reads exactly like Russian history. Don know as much about the emergence of spanish fascism
+--- 21941381
+>>21941288
+>USSR here, it reads exactly like Russian history
+That's because Orwell literally based it off Russian history, Napoleon is Stalin, Old Major is a combination of Marx and Lenin, whats-his-face I think Snowball is Trotsy, Squealer is Molotov, the dogs are the NKVD and I think one of them is outright an allegory for Beria, and the old farmer and his wife are the Tsar and Tsarina. Of course, they get a better ending than their real life counterparts.
+It's got nothing to do with fascism, OP and John Oliver are just off their fucking rockers.
+--- 21941420
+>>21932638
+More like Stalinism. Orwell was a socialist.
+--- 21941426
+>>21941420
+>Orwell was a socialist.
+In the hitlerian way or the meme way?
+--- 21941436
+>>21941426
+In the he would slaughter every /pol/tard way.
+--- 21941443
+>>21941426
+Meme way. Dude just got absolutely fed up with socialism by actually seeing it in action. He was basically a direct witness to all the reasons the Republicans lost (I.E. by being a constant string of fuckups who get easily distracted infighting and purity testing eachother and raping nuns.)
+--- 21941444
+>>21941436
+He grew disillusioned with leftism, actually.
+--- 21941451
+>>21941443
+>He was basically a direct witness to all the reasons the Republicans lost (I.E. by being a constant string of fuckups who get easily distracted infighting and purity testing eachother and raping nuns.)
+So it's true, then. LOL I actually know of other writers who were disappointed by leftism for similar reasons.
+--- 21941478
+>>21941444
+He grew disillusioned by the statists authoritarians, but spun some little piece reaffirming the UK brand. He was on the fence between a hard socialist Labour and anarchist. There isn't two teams Left and Right. He would not like the majority of /pol/tards
+--- 21941481
+>>21941478
+>He was on the fence between a hard socialist Labour and anarchist.
+When he was young, yes. But he grew up and was a social democrat.
+--- 21941483
+>>21941481
+A social democrat is Labour
+That's what I said
+--- 21941534
+Did you know Animal Farm is about animals on a farm?
+--- 21941738
+>>21931848 (OP)
+yeah because there is no practical difference between socialism and fascism

lit/21931907.txt

@@ -1112,3 +1112,102 @@ What just was this schizoidal outburst? Do you doubt people go into engineering
 Does he think there is an afterlife?
 >>21937474
 And you just flaccidly stand there and „yeah“ at them? Have you tried challenging their programming? I write software like them every week.
+--- 21938293
+>>21936362
+A lot of digital infrastructure is built on software that people originally created in their free time just for the fun of it. No profit motive, no expectation of profit, no actual profit, but they'll slave away on it for years. Programming is intrinsically rewarding for many people. It's fun. It's like puzzle-solving on steroids.
+Software engineering is what I know best but I have it on good authority that people find other fields of engineering fun too. And don't even get me started on the mathematicians.
+I'm sure many people study engineering for the money. Not all of them though. If you think it's all about money then you have a narrow understanding of what people like to do.
+--- 21938969
+>>21937435
+I'm probably not him but i went through similar shit.
+Thank you anon.
+--- 21938973
+>>21935899
+Having a library and a garden means you're rich enough to buy books and probably have a slave to tend your garden or so rich that you don't have to work and just have extra time to tend your garden.
+
+So if you have money, you can have your needs.
+--- 21939031
+>>21937650
+>Does he think there is an afterlife?
+
+No he doesn’t. He’s a dear friend and it’s frustrating to watch him suffer.
+--- 21939070
+>>21937293
+>The average silicon valley basedftware engineer
+
+Silicon valley engineers are less than 1% of all engineers, bruh. You are comparing the cream of the crop to the average finance person.
+
+A better comparison would be an investment banker on Wall Street compared to a Silicon Valley engineer. And the investment banker crushes that fight.
+--- 21939098
+>>21932158
+>You can be anything you want. But you can’t be everything you want.
+Excellent post anon. Best one I've seen all year
+--- 21939102
+>>21935618
+Consultants are more worthless and pathetic than lawyers kek
+--- 21939105
+>>21935453
+How about you read Laclau and the post-Marxists, you fucking dimwit.
+--- 21939159
+>>21938293
+So you think the .1% of developers that created software with no monetary reward in mind are representative of the typical STEM student?
+
+Yeah, don’t study statistics.
+--- 21939164
+>>21937650
+I do doubt it, yes. Students go to college for a career. Nobody joins an engineering program because they find it “fun”. They’re nerds who want a job. 
+
+What’s wrong with you people anyway that you insist it’s one way for the accountants but another for the engineers? Are you that socially unaware?
+--- 21939187
+>>21937435
+But you have to recognize that the track record you already have is also authentic. You did it for a reason. You can’t go back and scrub it away and you can’t go back and reallocate your time.
+--- 21939278
+>>21935673
+I think you're probably right, anon. Can you name some jobs that would require analytical skills, particularly those that are more fun than staring at a spreadsheet?
+
+I'm a naturally analytical person but have no idea what jobs would fit my tendencies.
+--- 21939516
+>>21939278
+Nobody can spoon feed you. This is something you have to figure out yourself.
+--- 21939568
+>>21932351
+I see someone who goes into accounting as someone who is afraid of taking risks, pursuing their dreams, and lacks creativity so they go with a safe, bland option for a career.
+--- 21939587
+good thread bros. i've had similar issues feeling like i'm just surviving and not really living. i thought going to church and finding religion would help me be satisfied but it's not really working.
+--- 21939712
+>>21939568
+Or someone who simply doesn’t know what their dreams are yet. This is a decision you make at EIGHTEEN. Stop pretending like it’s this ultra-deep existential decision that you make with all possible considerations on the table. Nobody knows what the fuck they’re doing at that age and some people just get lucky.
+--- 21939714
+>>21939516
+In other words, “no because I was spinning a line of feel good bullshit”.
+--- 21939874
+>>21939714
+No, I wasn’t even the person you were responding to. But if you really don’t know what kind of jobs involve analysis I suspect you’re quite young. If someone else tells you to do a certain job, it won’t work out - that’s the catch. You’ll have your first hard part and think, this wasn’t me, I didn’t choose this. And it’ll make it easier for you to leave. You need to do your own research and make your own decision, don’t be fucking lazy.
+--- 21940152
+>>21931907 (OP)
+Dude you're approaching it all wrong. 
+Work sucks. 
+The only reason to work is because you need money. 
+Your objective when choosing a job is to find something with the most money and least time and effort. 
+That's the magic formula. 
+There is no dignity in working hard for the global McFuckwit corporation. You will not be rewarded because you went the extra mile. 
+Get paid while doing as little as possible. Fuck the system. 
+If you have literary ambitions pursue them Life is short and you don't want to be on your death bed wishing you'd written something but knowing you wasted your life being a corporate drone instead. 
+pic related, my first book, i wrote this while working a minimum wage job in the middle of nowhere that i didn't give a fuck about
+--- 21941304
+thread is almost dead but i'll bump anyway
+--- 21941333
+I think a lot of people are approaching it wrong. capitalist wage labor is inherently exploitative. it doesn't matter how "social" or "cushy" or "passionate" your job is: the vast majority of people have to toil as a wage serf. there's simply no avoiding the fact that if you want to buy a house, be able to financially support children, and have decent food and things under capitalism you either
+>1. try to maximize your wage serf profit (jobs like accounting, CS, etc)
+>2. inherent a significant amount of wealth or get lucky from financial support of others (ie, they wage serf or are capitalists for you)
+>3. work a "craft" such as skilled labor or independent practice of law, medicine, etc so that YOU can set your hours, workload, and receive the (relative) full amount of your labor (ie, become a capitalist to a certain degree)
+wage labor is inherently alienating, compulsory, and exploitative. you think most people wouldn't dream of being artists, or teaching, or gardening if they had the opportunity financially? to tell people that they're cowards if they don't pick the difficult path of entrepreneurship, especially if they have little safety net, or to "pursue their passions" when it's simply a fact that most jobs people really enjoy (classical teaching, art, a "life of the mind") have both low pay and an already existing glut of surplus labor, is to shift the burden of liberation from exploitation onto the exploited: ie the wage slave. 
+
+you want to solve the fact the most jobs suck and feel alienating, even the nice ones? want more free time to actually have passions? work towards worker cooperative ownership, syndicates, workplace democracy, etc. it's like no one here read marx: consciousness is in large part dictated through the economic superstructure. talk about taking risks and "the self made man" all you want: a rising tide lifts all boats. what makes people happy is vibrant community, family, and social connection. if the majority of people today are struggling to find that and struggling with wage serfdom and alientation: the problem is SYSTEMIC.
+--- 21941671
+>>21936362
+If you try to get an engineering degree purely for the money, without any interest in the topic itself, you'll an hero out of frustration.
+Engineering is a mindset.
+--- 21941792
+>>21931924
+Spoken like someone that never suffered financially. There is cost expense to shifting your entire career to something good, requiring further education. If someone has a mortgage, it's impossible if the payment exceeds the amount funding provides. The guy in OP Pic related >>21931907 (OP) had parents that provided for him and a wife. If you're on your own there is nothing. 100k a year is nothing. The best thing someone can do is earn as much money in as short of a period as possible and invest wisely.

lit/21932156.txt

@@ -113,3 +113,262 @@ wildberger drone
 --- 21938012
 >>21936003
 He's not a monist. Maybe read him before making such a stupid comment again.
+--- 21938116
+>>21932156 (OP)
+His ideas were cool, but he writes like a 3 years old retard
+--- 21938138
+>>21932156 (OP)
+this literal peabrain got filtered by the number zero
+--- 21938411
+>>21934451
+Updated version
+--- 21938416
+>>21937619
+>french sociologists' a la camus, sartre, 
+this is your brain on /pol/
+--- 21938461
+>>21932156 (OP)
+Perennialism is a damned lie
+--- 21938581
+>>21938461
+If you haven't achieved the absolute peak of enlightenment a la direct God-knowledge through multiple religions what makes you qualified to say that?
+>>21938138
+Zero is just an abstraction. Everything worth keeping in math can be deduced without it. You're the one being filtered here.
+--- 21938599
+>>21938138
+He's right, though. You can algebraically rearrange (0)(infinity) to equal any number you want.
+--- 21938604
+>>21936952
+>modern metaphysics
+--- 21938610
+>>21936910
+Maybe a better mathematician, considering Guenon didn't focus on maths, but philosopher? Absolutely the opposite.
+--- 21938652
+>>21937662
+>Plato was a non-dualist like Shankara (which isnt monism)
+By "monism" I mean the Eleatic view that only the absolute is real.
+My interpretation, based on a conversation with one of his followers, is that Guenon stands ambivalently between Eleaticism and Socratism, between saying that only the absolute exists and saying that the observable world still exists but it is a lower lever of reality.
+--- 21938686
+>>21938652
+>My interpretation, based on a conversation with one of his followers, is that Guenon stands ambivalently between Eleaticism and Socratism, between saying that only the absolute exists and saying that the observable world still exists but it is a lower lever of reality.
+By Guenon's own admission he agrees with the Advaita of Shankara (among other doctrines but he seems to prefer it as the basis of his exposition), which says that the observable world and multiplicity manifests as empirical experiences/appearances but without having true existence (manifestation = appearance =/= existence). This isn't 'ambivalent' and it's actually rather similar to how Plato regarded matter as having only a shadowy quasi-existence that is like an imitation or image of true/actual existence.
+--- 21938762
+>>21937662
+Can you explain to a retard like me what is the difference between monism and non dualism? I always see that non dualists believe there is an ultimate reality beynod this from which everything comes and so oppositions are not real, only that reality, but wouldn't that be monism?
+--- 21938771
+He destroyed his reputation by becoming a Muslim and moving to Egypt. If had remained a Westerner he would be the right’s Karl Marx. He’s be to modern American imperialism what Zeno of Citium was to the late Roman Republic.
+--- 21938776
+>>21938762
+Yes, it is. Monism = everything is actually one and there are no real distinctions. Dualism = there is this reality and then absolute reality, the two are distinct and thus distinctions are real. Buddhists posit an absolute one-ness reality ie monism. Muslims, whether they know it or not, posit a created reality and a heavenly reality ie dualism. To believe we’re all one in Islam identifies people with Allah, which makes you a kaffir. The only religion that evades monism and dualism altogether is Christianity. There’s a good book called The One and the Many.
+--- 21938788
+>>21932156 (OP)
+>>Is completely forgotten in the west outside 4chan and some far right and occultist circles
+it's in all the New Age and spirituality sections of bookstores here in spain in big malls and stuff
+--- 21938790
+>>21938776
+But wouldn't Christianity be "at least dualist" in the sense that there is this world and the other one which you don't have an access to?
+--- 21938797
+>>21938788
+i'll send a picture if i visit the mall later today
+--- 21938808
+>>21938790
+Also, if God is the creator and you are not the creator or part of it as you would be in monism you would still have at least a duality between God and the created, wouldn't it? MAybe the non duality comes from the created being different between them?
+--- 21938868
+>>21938762
+>Can you explain to a retard like me what is the difference between monism and non dualism?
+Monism allows for subsuming of differences/multiplicity within a greater unity without invalidating that difference/multiplicity whereas non-duality or Advaita in Sanskrit just means "without secondness". 
+
+If one regards multiplicity as being existent and real along with the greater unity that incorporates this, then there is not really a "without secondness" since the various instantiations of multiplicity becomes a real "secondness" in relation to each other as well as in relation to the whole or entirety. This is why Vishishtadvaita (which professes this view) says it is "qualified non-dualism" instead of just "non-dualism".
+
+If you take Plato's "theory of forms" as being his final position (the exoteric reading) then this isn't exactly non-dualism but there are various interpretations of Plato that don't think this is true, Plato has one of his characters btfo the theory of forms in his own dialogues and there is evidence for him teaching an 'unwritten doctrine' involving 'The One', under some of these kinds of interpretations the various devices that Plato uses in his dialogue are exactly that, devices that have value in helping the mind train and prepare for higher levels of understanding, culminating in the intuition/assimilation of the highest/ultimate, the very possibility of which already implies some type of commensurability or identity between the highest and ourselves. Non-dualism isn't explicitly spelled out by Plato like it is by Shankara but it's a fairly reasonable take on his works.
+--- 21938887
+>>21938776
+>Yes, it is. Monism = everything is actually one and there are no real distinctions. 
+Monism allows for real distinctions, they are just categorized as belonging to the same overarching unity that includes them.
+>Buddhists posit an absolute one-ness reality ie monism. 
+Buddhists generally don't say that plurality is unreal
+>The only religion that evades monism and dualism altogether is Christianity. 
+This is a laughable simplification
+>There’s a good book called The One and the Many.
+the author is a pseud
+--- 21938953
+>>21938887
+No, it doesn’t. Absolute oneness implies no real distinctions in an absolute sense. I don’t care what Buddhists say. Of course, it’s an oversimplification but it’s not the less true. Any other doctrine that escapes is just aping Christianity.
+--- 21938963
+>>21938790
+You do have access. Christ was God incarnate on earth and the Holy Spirit grants us divine knowledge. It’s the trinity that overcomes duality. There’s no equivalent in Islam. Muhammad magically had access to divine knowledge that he logically shouldn’t have access to.
+--- 21938980
+>>21938686
+>By Guenon's own admission he agrees with the Advaita of Shankara (among other doctrines but he seems to prefer it as the basis of his exposition), which says that the observable world and multiplicity manifests as empirical experiences/appearances but without having true existence (manifestation = appearance =/= existence). This isn't 'ambivalent' and it's actually rather similar to how Plato regarded matter as having only a shadowy quasi-existence that is like an imitation or image of true/actual existence.
+I think you are underestimating the logical difficulties bound up with the notion of quasi-existence. If existence is not a binary, not a question of a thing just existing or not existing, we are introducing the notion of degrees of reality. The observable world, then, has some reality to it but it is not fully real ("metaphysics": distinction between higher and lower reality, what is fully real and what is less than fully real). But the problem is that if this lower reality has a real and an unreal part, that unreal part itself is not partly unreal but completely unreal, and so only the real "part" remains.
+--- 21938994
+Someone needs to take up the mantle of Christian Traditionalism to finish the return from Guenon through Evola.
+--- 21939067
+>>21938953
+>No, it doesn’t. Absolute oneness implies no real distinctions in an absolute sense.
+Monism isn't "absolute oneness with no real distinctions" but is just a general "oneness", if you look up academic articles surveying "monism" and "monist philosophies" you'll find that the majority of the types of monism listed DONT posit that there are no real distinctions. 
+
+eg:
+
+https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/monism/
+
+>I don’t care what Buddhists say.
+You may not care, but you said a factually incorrect statement that I was correcting
+>Of course, it’s an oversimplification but it’s not the less true. 
+lmao
+>Any other doctrine that escapes is just aping Christianity.
+This is not even true, you are just aping Jay Dyers sophistic apologetics that tries to dismiss everything besides Orthodox Christianity by inaccurately generalizing them into two categories which he then tries to dismiss for invalid reasons based on inaccurate assumptions about those things which are themselves not critically examined. It's brain-dead bottom-tier sophistic garbage for midwits.
+--- 21939072
+>>21939067
+Do you understand the argument that just because someone says “this doesn’t posit absolute oneness” doesn’t mean it actually doesn’t?
+--- 21939108
+>>21938980
+>I think you are underestimating the logical difficulties bound up with the notion of quasi-existence. 
+I'm not, the idea has been debated fairly extensively in Indian writings. Whether there are logical difficulties depends on exactly how you formulate said idea (there are different ways to do so) and many of the objections to certain types of these formulations are predicated on assumptions which are themselves often questionable and unproven.
+>If existence is not a binary, not a question of a thing just existing or not existing, we are introducing the notion of degrees of reality. 
+This isn't actually necessary, e.g. in Advaita the conditional level (vyavahara) is regarded as being false (mithya), which is neither existence nor nothingness but is instead its own category, this means it's not a 'degree of reality' since reality (existence) has no degrees except in the informal sense where the mithya (which isn't reality at all) is referred to as one as a mode of expression or for the sake of convenience in discussion. 
+>The observable world, then, has some reality to it but it is not fully real
+This isn't required of the above position, there is no logical necessity that makes it a requirement for one to say that falsity "has reality" in order for it to be falsity and appears as false experiences, such a claim actually involves a subtle contradiction.
+>But the problem is that if this lower reality has a real and an unreal part, that unreal part itself is not partly unreal but completely unreal, and so only the real "part" remains.
+This problem arises from the confusion of assigning the "lower reality" an "unreal part" and a "real part", but this isn't what Advaita does so it's a non-issue for them.
+--- 21939128
+>>21939072
+>Do you understand the argument that just because someone says “this doesn’t posit absolute oneness” doesn’t mean it actually doesn’t?
+You aren't even familiar enough with Buddhist thought to presume to know the actual implications of their positions so I don't know why you would even bother trying to dispute that point. You have not given any valid reasons why what they are saying results in "absolute oneness", or why the various types of monism listed in that Stanford article amount to "absolute oneness" with "no real differences". You should start there by providing such an argument if you want to come up with a serious reply.
+--- 21939142
+>>21939128
+Buddhists do in fact posit absolute one-ness so if your argument is that actually they don’t, we can’t even agree on premises enough to have our own argument. People always want to do these mental gymnastics to pretend that the implications which are obviously there somehow aren’t actually there if you just say you reject them but that’s not how philosophy works. If I describe a triune God but then say actually no I don’t believe in a triune God, then I don’t have an argument. I’m just lying.
+--- 21939188
+>>21939142
+>Buddhists do in fact posit absolute one-ness so if your argument is that actually they don’t, we can’t even agree on premises enough to have our own argument.
+You have not provided any source, if you want your claims to be taken seriously you actually have to back them up with sourced information instead of pulling unsourced claims out of your ass.
+ 
+What type of Buddhism are you talking about? Indian Buddhism?
+
+Theravada and Abhidharma doesn't posit an absolute oneness but they believe in a plurality of existent dharmas
+Madhyamaka doesn't posit an absolute oneness but they say that plurality is existent and that the plural phenomena simply lacks its own essential self-nature (which doesn't mean that its non-existent), which means that all plurality is qualitatively similar but still nevertheless existent as plurality with unique and non-effaceable differences pertaining to their respective forms etc
+Yogachara doesn't seem to work out whether there is an absolute oneness or not, since they say at once that the modification of consciousness is real but also that it's due to transcendental avidya, which is a contradiction, however Yogachara for the most part doesn't even exist as a single school anymore but it just influenced other later schools
+
+Or are you talking about Tibetan Buddhism or Chinese Buddhism, which is a whole other discussion? Unless you specify what you mean your assertions are not serious at all
+--- 21939351
+>>21932979
+I would suggest you not skip the second half of Introduction to the study of the hindu doctrines, as hinduism (and sufism) are the basis of Traditionalism
+--- 21939578
+>>21939108
+>This isn't required of the above position, there is no logical necessity that makes it a requirement for one to say that falsity "has reality" in order for it to be falsity and appears as false experiences, such a claim actually involves a subtle contradiction.
+If I may, put aside all epistemology-adjacent terms like falsity and appearance and consider my question just in terms of being/reality: Is the world real?
+Now, if we say the world has no reality whatsoever, we are left with just the absolute reality. And if we try to avoid this by saying it only has a lower degree of reality or, what comes to the same thing, it is only partly real, we get the problem I already mentioned: The unreal part doesn't exist, and we are left with pure reality again.
+At this point I want to suggest a solution to the problem. If it is absurd to say that the world is completely unreal, and if saying that the world is partly real collapses to the former view, there is still a third alternative: That the world is completely real. On this view, the partially connected, partially distinct things of common sense are real in the full sense of the world, with no higher realm of pure unity above them. A complete reversal then, of the Eleatic view.
+--- 21939584
+FACE WAS TOO BIG FOR HIS HEAD
+--- 21939640
+>>21937619
+>guenon would have known his zen sources
+ah yes my favorite scholar of East Asian Buddhism, the French hindu-muslim beloved by monoglot American teenage neo-nazi larpers who've read nothing else on the subjects they've copied him on except twitter, wikipedia, and the handicapable Sicilian wizard
+--- 21939664
+>>21939640
+Oof, maybe you need to take some analgesics after your daily dilation sessions, you seem to be upset.
+--- 21939680
+>>21939664
+I don't believe I am secretly being piloted by an astral blue man who is the real me while my body is fake and I need to get rid of it. You will never be a brahmin.
+--- 21939747
+>>21939680
+Why are you implying I follow hindu religions?
+In any case, I don't believe I am a woman trapped inside a man body and so I have to chop off my cock to be one.
+--- 21939770
+>>21939747
+So you are defending the monkey man to be a contrarian? Well I am attacking him to be a contrarian. The Atman is a transgenderesque essentialist dogma.
+--- 21939841
+>>21939770
+>everyone who doesn’t believe in anti-foundationalism is actually transgender because I can draw some barely relevant hackneyed comparison between them
+So this is the power of Buddhist coping…
+--- 21939877
+>>21937619
+>>bataille
+>a pseud
+first Bataile is what Guenon couldn't be, the most important french thinker baout comparated religions and symbology, second, the matter here is if Bataile was influenced by Guenon which is proven false, since Bataile had a really bad opinion about Guenon's system
+>'french sociologists' a la camus, sartre
+what the fuck are you talking about? Sartre studied philosophy
+>went mad (KWAB), why bother?
+Guenon tought a group of satanist summoned an astral bear to kill him
+>>21937619
+>he did well in ignoring him
+he "ignored him" because hegel retroactively refuted his whole system in the prologue of the phenomenology of spirit
+>his zen sources 
+okey so you don't know what you're talking about
+--- 21939878
+>>21939578
+> If I may, put aside all epistemology-adjacent terms
+Advaita isn’t using them in an exclusively epistemological sense, it rather cites common place epistemic errors and related falsity in order to draw comparisons with the metaphysical falsity that its talking about.
+
+> Is the world real?
+>Now, if we say the world has no reality whatsoever, we are left with just the absolute reality. 
+Not really, I mean in such a scenario you are left with the Absolute reality that is the only thing that exists but it’s not the only thing about which anything can be said or predicated, because you can say that phenomenal experiences still nonetheless appear as such without existing or being real. This is talking about a metaphysical conception of falsity as something that appears to be a real and existent reality or which ‘imitates’ reality but which actually isn’t real/existent.
+
+>And if we try to avoid this by saying it only has a lower degree of reality or, what comes to the same thing, it is only partly real, we get the problem I already mentioned: The unreal part doesn't exist, and we are left with pure reality again.
+Again, this a purely contrived problem and it doesn’t apply to what Advaita is talking about, by ejecting what you call “epistemological-adjecent terms” from the discussion (which for Advaita are not purely epistemic terms anyways) you are placing artificial and entirely contrived constraints onto the discussion that don’t actually apply to what Advaita is talking about.
+
+It’s like you’re saying “yeah but if we change the meaning of what position #1 says then it has logical issues”, yeah sure but this is just a strawman and the same thing can equally be said about literally anything and anyone whatsoever.
+--- 21939889
+>>21938604
+you know metaphysics is a wetsern discipline right? and that as a discipline it develop trought the centuries even to this day, why Guenonfags refuse to sudy the most basic shit?
+--- 21939908
+>>21938980
+>Plato regarded matter as having only a shadowy quasi-existence that is like an imitation or image of true/actual existence.
+tthat's not true at all, Platos' view matter as the "Xhora" the basis of existence that is then molded by the "Nous" what you're citing is a metaphor from the republic, the metaphor of the cave, but that's a exoteric text designed to teach epistemology to the causal reader, and the "shadow" is not matter but "Doxa" the common mental compositions that didn't ascended the path of the "Episteme" or intelectual discovery, Plato was dualistic seeing the world as a dialectial dance between the "To-Hen" (the one) and the "Ahóristos dyás"
+--- 21939913
+>>21939908
+sorry i wanted to respond to>>21938686
+--- 21939916
+>>21938610
+Guenon didn't even study philosophy, and all of his philosophical texts were awful relying on tons of petitio principii fallacies and circular reasoning, he didn't ever engage with the most important philosopher of his time or even modernity at large
+--- 21939920
+Incidentally I just made a video based on his book. I hope you'll like it lmao
+https://youtu.be/6FfByyp_e2E [Embed]
+--- 21939923
+>>21939841
+You will never be a brahmin. And that's a fact. That's why froggie had to go to Cairo and become an Arab
+--- 21941364
+>>21939920
+Nice one, keep them coming
+--- 21941454
+>>21939908
+> Platos' view matter as the "Xhora" the basis of existence that is then molded by the "Nous" what you're citing is a metaphor from the Republic
+I didnt literally mean that the ‘Plato’s Cave’ metaphor was his ontological position, I was rather referring to statements of his like in Timaeus 28A where he says that the world of becoming “comes to be and passes away, but never really is”
+
+That to me doesn’t sound like he is setting up a dualism of two equally real realities.
+--- 21941472
+>>21932991
+>The schizo retard chilean hitlerlover
+HAHAHAHAHAHA. 
+Man, I don't know how you take the guy seriously once you know his associations.
+--- 21941475
+>>21939889
+>you know metaphysics is a wetsern discipline right?
+--- 21941484
+>>21939188
+You haven't provided any source, either, my friend. You are just listing off unsourced claims.
+--- 21941486
+>>21941472
+I'm mostly talking about the argie mutt he met up with several times.
+--- 21941492
+>>21941486
+Argie mutt with a following made up of bolivian vegans and latinx schizos.
+--- 21941494
+>>21939916
+Do you think that obviously making things up strengthens the position you are trying to push? I don't understand what you are trying to accomplish.
+--- 21941497
+>>21938599
+No you can't because infinity is not a number
+--- 21941547
+>>21941497
+No one said it was. Infinity still gets used algebraically by mathematicians despite that fact.
+--- 21941630
+>>21932156 (OP)
+>funnels any impressionable, Tradition-minded Westerners into Islam like a boss
+Guenon's retarded polemicism and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
+>>21935881
+I've literally never met anyone who gave a shit about Wittgenstein or Heidegger. At most, you'll see people interest in Foucault, Derrida, Baudrillard. All of these people are a waste of time. At least Guenon has something meaningful and fresh.
+--- 21941688
+>>21932512
+Why do I feel like these memes always follow my exact age? Is there only one guy who makes them? Is whoever makes them my age and by the time they make another one we are both older? Stop stalking me AHHHHHHH

lit/21932511.txt

@@ -415,3 +415,103 @@ For an ESL scrub I'd say that's pretty good. Not joining your discord, though. C
 But the test rejects many words of foreign origin
 
 Also, not joining your shitty discord OP
+--- 21938563
+bump
+--- 21938900
+bump
+--- 21939301
+>>21937514
+>L
+Please go back to twitter or whatever internet normie shithole you came from.
+>>21937523
+Why is a rationale salty? I'm only responding to what was said to me.
+--- 21939394
+>>21932511 (OP)
+>https://www.datcreativity.com/
+--- 21939411
+>>21938063
+>But the test rejects many words of foreign origin
+Because they have to exist in the dictionary. Out of those, only bildungsroman is in the dictionary so that's on them.
+--- 21939449
+>Higher that 99.5%
+Happy with that, Prissy let me down slightly tho
+--- 21939462
+>>21939449
+>adjectives
+cheater
+--- 21939463
+I guess it doesn’t like the word thug idk how this shit works
+--- 21939555
+>>21939394
+bosom and mammogram should not be that far apart, you got lucky
+--- 21939659
+why are lemma and saltpeter so close to each other?
+--- 21940165
+>>21939301
+>"well plasma pistols aren't even real, and if they were, they would be too big to be pistols because i said so >:("
+take "rational" out of rationale, because what the fuck does that have to do with anything
+--- 21940606
+>>21939463
+thug and dog appear together often
+--- 21940681
+>>21932511 (OP)
+>all the retarded niggas who didn't read the rules
+It's just nuns and it said you should avoid over complicated words.
+--- 21940702
+>>21932511 (OP)
+Why does it ask for 10 words if it only uses 7?
+--- 21940809
+>>21940606
+huh I completely forgot that usage lol. based on my experience this test is very accurate though I also got 97-98th percentile on the english part of standardized tests (SAT, GRE etc) and i got 98 on this one. Though I feel that there is some major inflation here, I'd really like to see what a 50th percentile looks like
+--- 21940918
+not bad
+--- 21941046
+i see. just filters out poor vocabulary.
+--- 21941078
+>>21932634
+>>21932793
+>>21932798
+>>21937603
+>>21937658
+>>21937936
+>>21939463
+>>21940918
+Kneel.
+--- 21941138
+>>21941076
+Lol
+--- 21941139
+>Your score is 90.35, higher than 96.78% of the people who have completed this task
+Not bad considering I'm a burnt out shift worker
+
+My words
+gravity subpoena skirt phone rugby grasshopper sandwich
+--- 21941239
+>>21940165
+You're sounding pretty upset, I'll let you cool off before you reply again.
+--- 21941337
+Eh this seems like one of those pop sci ego boost things. I didn't think mine were that great and still did okay
+--- 21941346
+I decided to come back and see how high I could get it from retaking the test over and over and switching out words. This is my current high score, feel free to try and remix some of the words to get it higher.
+--- 21941422
+Turquoise really fucked me over, I should've just said blue
+--- 21941595
+>>21932511 (OP)
+Too easy
+--- 21941602
+>>21941595
+evidently not
+--- 21941695
+>>21941337
+>adultery-relationship
+>above 96%
+Yeah it's a shitty test
+--- 21941742
+>>21932511 (OP)
+
+>CNN
+>World Economic Forum
+>Popular Science
+>Fast Company
+>Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences
+suspicious sponsors

lit/21934107.txt

@@ -443,3 +443,44 @@ Is it? I'm mostly a liberal racist. I don't fit with left or right.
 >>21937393
 >it's essentially the Hegelian dialectical method
 Into the trash it goes.
+--- 21938545
+>>21934613
+He's right.
+>But every time these forces attempt to assert themselves, they are flung against a ring of iron with which technique surrounds and localizes them. Moreover, technique attacks man, impairs the sources of his vitality, and takes away his mystery. We have seen that one of the objectives of certain human techniques is to rob him of this mystery. And men must and do react instinctively and spiritually to the aggression of technique. When Henry Miller utters his anguished wail against the modem world, he is appealing through his fundamental eroticism to man’s most primitive instincts. When the American Negro was still a slave, jazz meant release from despair and chains. But it is questionable that eroticism and jazz really represent a purposive reaction to technical aggression. We cannot settle these problems by appealing to a purely verbal idealism. Jazz is one of today’s most authentically human protests. Let us trace it back to its origin. The Negroes were hopelessly enslaved. The story of their toil, punishments, hate, and crushed rebellions has been often told. The terrible black emperor of Santo Domingo was now no more than a dream. In their extremity the Negroes discovered song, which likewise answered the needs of faith. Music expressed for them at once the despair of the present and the hope for salvation in Christ. Its culmination in delirium brought deliverance, but only as opium and alcohol did for others. Marx’s celebrated remark that nineteenth-century religion was the opiate of the European masses is equally applicable to the jazz of the Negro slaves. In jazz they created a true art form. But with it they also shut every door to freedom. Jazz imprisoned the Negroes more and more in their slavery; from then on, they drew a morose relish from it. It is highly significant that this slave music has become the music of the modem world.
+--- 21938615
+>>21934172
+>he cites Marvel Comics and porn
+I don't follow the faggot but does he use bbc and tranny porn to inform his opinion about racial and gender relations?
+--- 21939034
+>>21937221
+>When's the last time a jazz appreciator orchestrated a genocide?
+Mussolini liked jazz and promoted it as a form of futuristic music
+https://www.newyorkalmanack.com/2022/05/jazz-mussolini-and-italian-fascism/
+--- 21939120
+>>21934613
+The true horseshoe theory is that both left and right wing idealist philosophy is equally based on sexual pathology
+--- 21939309
+>>21938545
+What a load of bullshit.
+--- 21939354
+>>21939034
+Mussolini never committed a genocide and actually the Italian fascists went out of their way to protect their Jewish populations. Italy under Nazi occupation did more for their Jews than France did, and even their invasion of Abyssinia was done under the pretext of sexing cute black girls.
+
+Italian fascists were downright based and more progressive than most progressives today.The point still stands.
+--- 21939361
+>>21939354
+>Mussolini never committed a genocide
+He declared Slavs an inferior race and sent them to concentration camps
+--- 21939362
+>>21939034
+>mussolini
+who cares about that brainlet.
+--- 21940367
+>>21938615
+if thats the case then thats Freud 101 filtered through neocolonial theory, like Franz Fanon. extremely disgusting jewish stuff.
+--- 21940373
+>>21937496
+it literally doesn't matter what women want.
+--- 21941605
+>>21934107 (OP)
+I think their biggest legacy is libtards who are obsessed with fascism and see it everywhere. Adorno thought the radio was fascist, later Sontag thought ballet was fascist...

lit/21934560.txt

@@ -146,3 +146,110 @@ Just read it mate, see what you think.
 >>21937637
 >filtered is a made up word homie.
 That's every word, but getting filtered is definitely real. Thanks for the encouragement thoughever hombre, I'll be reading along for sure. I love listening to Pound's own recitations of his poems in his beautiful cadence.
+--- 21938417
+Bump
+--- 21938617
+>>21937613
+
+I completely agree with >>21937637. Although 'understanding' a poem is important, poetry is a much more 'aesthetic' and 'ambiguous' experience than prose. Just try to enjoy what you can and contribute any thoughts. Even something like 'I liked the way the poem sounds' is a valid thought / poetic experience. 
+
+In my experience, reading poetry is a lot like listening to a piece of music. You don't listen to a piece of music once and understand all its formal components. It's not like you listen to a song and understand all of its lyrics, its harmonic and melodic structure, its motifs etc. Instead, you listen to a song once and get a broad sense of its structure and maybe notice a few lyrics or some melodies. Then, second time around, you'll pick up a few more things. Then, if you really want to get to know the song, you'll study the sheet music. 
+
+Poetry is similar. I notice a lot of people will read through a poem once (in the same manner they do a novel) and get just frustrated. In my experience, the best thing to do is read through a poem very quickly, picking up things here and there. Then read it again a second time, at a much slower speed. I like to really take my time with this second read through. Then, through it once more at normal speed. 
+
+This process may sound way too long, but, for me, it really helped in my appreciation of poetry. To finally realize, 'Oh, I can't read a poem the same way I do a novel' was critical for me. 
+
+By reading the Cantos you'll be diving right into the deep end, but it'll be enjoyable no doubt.
+--- 21938648
+I wish you anons the best of luck, recently I and others did a group reading of the cantos, but I’m gonna give the warning to the anons here, if you find it boring or unenjoyable which likely the majority of you will, by the time you hit 10-30 pages, you really should drop it since it’s not gonna change at all, here’s some resources we studied during our group read.
+
+PDF 
+
+https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=64C711EECB2E068B9264ADD654BD5FB6 
+
+Companion https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=8C288549F36FBC19FEC27DC4405319BF 
+
+Companion volume 2 https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=31CC47CE60E82C83B4C45643CC60F124 
+
+Mystical-religious companion https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=6529BC0A609EE3E923A43F3B44559B02
+
+The pound era (assists in reading the cantos ) https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=48CCADA51591C78329C5EAD90988F500
+
+Guide to kultur https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.148695
+
+https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691634197/the-genesis-of-ezra-pounds-cantos
+
+Explains various cantos online http://ezrapoundcantos.org
+--- 21939151
+>>21938648
+Thoughts on Pound's religious beliefs?
+--- 21939261
+>>21939151
+
+I don't know too much about Pound (yet), but I'm not sure if "form[ing] a mosaic out of elements selected from a wide variety of pagan mystery religions and occult movements" really consistutes a "religion." This line almost reads like a summary of the High Modernist agenda. The organizing of literary and historical fragments is true for David Jones (Catholic), T.S. Eliot (Anglo-Catholic), James Joyce (Catholic-infused Atheist), some of W.B. Yeats (Christian skeptic and Esoteric-spirtual). 
+
+Pound seems to have been raised Protestant, rejected Christianity, and been interested in esoteric and Eastern philosophies. But, at least from the little I know, he seems more interested in aesthetic truths than anything else. 
+
+In short, I'd just be a little skeptical (at least at this point) to say that Pound was religious or wrote out of a religious disposition (rather than an aesthetic one). I mean, "The Four Quartets" is written by someone religious, but "The Waste Land"...I'm not so sure. 
+
+Bit of a ramble, but there you go...
+--- 21939356
+>>21939261
+I don't think religion is an important factor in Pound's work. Maybe as a historical factor, but economy and politics are far more important for him.
+--- 21939391
+>>21934560 (OP)
+unbelievably boring
+--- 21939403
+>>21939356
+
+Yeah I agree. That's my exact feeling about the paragraph described in >>21939151.
+--- 21939409
+>>21939391
+
+Why's that? And compared to what?
+--- 21939419
+>>21939409
+>Why's that?
+Because he sucks
+>And compared to what?
+anything
+--- 21939437
+>>21939419
+
+Enlightening
+--- 21939533
+>>21939391
+>>21939419
+>>21939437
+Go be a negative nancy in another thread
+--- 21939537
+>>21939533
+I'll listen to the dubs and leave your safespace
+--- 21939538
+>>21939533
+
+Agreed
+--- 21939543
+>>21939537
+
+At the very least defend your claim. I'm happy to hear about why you think he's boring, but just tell me why
+--- 21939696
+>>21934560 (OP)
+>week 16
+Wait, are you just starting or it's week 16?
+--- 21939728
+>>21939696
+
+We're just starting. The week 16 thing is a bit confusing. Week 1 is next Thursday. So Canto I + II next Thursday
+--- 21939840
+>>21939151
+I believe the cantos primary purpose is trying to orient himself historically, trying to locate an origin to and an ultimate end to the man, and he tries to do this by focusing on art as an ontological good, and usury broadly as an ontological evil, I think this is pound’s failure because while he may mention god, he may mention multiple mystical modes and so forth, he doesn’t actually believe or put god or his will as the center or driving force or end of history, pound in the end and in his notes to his last cantos says his cantos was a failure and a mistake and even a religious blasphemy to attempt. I find pounds sources when it comes to religion/mysticism not really erudite as he’s trying to portray, you can trace most of it usually to one or two primer writers on each topic he’s trying to go on, like If you removed Thomas Taylor and heydon the guys knowledge of western esotericism would evaporate, this is made abundantly clear when he tries to speak on Dionysus and imo uses the most basic imagery and associations, when he mentions iamblichus and Plotinus without really having a reason to nor saying anything of value on their projects, his Chinese history is all of one books worth of study and that’s according to the various companions I’ve studied on the topic, basically what I’m beating around the bush trying to say is, he was interested in the aesthetics of mysticism and the persona he could cultivate using these, but I see no real genuine religious devotion nor mystical practice in pound, I think the cantos as a whole are really a failed vanity project. All in all the best canto in terms of quality, consistency, lyricism and so forth is canto 47 imo, if you actually recite the cantos or hear the recordings of him reciting it, youre gonna find a lot of flaws.
+--- 21939845
+>>21939533
+>>21939543
+
+Oh it’s gonna be incredibly boring, he has long sections where it’s the unedited non poetic really uninteresting letters of various historical figures concerning taxes and specifically specific tax amounts, a-rhythmical very particular pages and pages on taxes and taxed amounts and taxed goods, like non-hyperbole hundreds of pages about taxes with 0 imagery and 0 rhythm. 
+
+It’s gonna be boring chief
+--- 21940967
+Sneed

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 >>21935043 (OP)
 >turtles all the way down. not a big fan bu
 Aristotle specifcally says anyone who argues for a infinite regress is an ignoramus
+--- 21938457
+>>21937300
+>You decided to tell a vague plumbing story with the point of convincing people to stop thinking about how logic works.
+No. You just didn't understand any of it lol
+
+I explained to you how "ultimate cause" is common everyday logical error that people do all the time (i.e. "let's drain the ocean to stop the leaking pipe"), and how to avoid it by approaching problems in a direct manner; like an engineer, and ... then you insulted me a bunch of times, telling me I hated logic.
+
+>vague
+Consider that you're too stupid to see the point, rather than that the point has not been made to you.
+
+
+>>21937404
+> For Aristotle, because the objects of techne and prudence are in light of things that change (circumstances generally for prudence; customs and desires guide techne), they don't amount to knowledge in any high sense.
+Alright, so if we establish that, say, musing about the clouds is superior wisdom than a doctor or a military engineer or inventor, etc., then we have at once destroyed any claims that philosophers have about being intelligent persons - but we cannot take seriously such a claim (made by persons who would say such a thing) in the first place because other than material science there is no basis from which to begin "to muse" about anything, it would be making things up in your head; fantasy fiction. Even a cloud is a product of material science, for instance, so if (a cloud, e.g.) is not understood as being what it is (product of planetary atmosphere) then there is no value at all to the "musing" as it will never arrive at the truth of the thing and so would be anti-logic, if anything, as it would oppose a simple investigation .... in other words: we derive knowledge from studying material reality and we gain proficiency in the thing we study (surgery, e.g.) and no knowledge is derived from studying things that do not exist,
+
+>if there were a god or gods who ground the principles of things according to their whim, then insofar as their whims may change, there's no possibility for having knowledge. 
+That's right, which is why that thought process (or sophistry, or error) is better described or understood as being 'theology', which then immediately shows itself to be inferior to any material science (i.e. agriculture) which is formed upon studying the real world, which can make accurate predictions of things, which can demonstrate a growing knowledge base with real-world applications, etc. etc.
+
+This was partly what I was attempting to convey to the other anon, that there's all benefit to be gained from actual study of things, and that "profound musing on the beginning of time" is of no value whatsoever; the act being pure speculation (lazy, requiring also no effort) for having no basis in reality that we can presently explore. 
+
+If you call this Big God, then in many ways I agree, that: it is Theology and it is inferior to a potato farmer.
+--- 21938462
+>>21938087
+>infinite regress
+
+>>21937894
+>What's interesting is that Aquinas disagreed with Aristotle on this point. Aquinas thought that there was no logical reason why causality couldn't continue into the past forever, only that revelation proved it didn't.
+
+see: >>21936702
+>Why do you think that making up a god creature to make-pretend a fake beginning to "everything", which you admit is fake, is an intelligent thing to do?
+
+It really seems to confound people that a thing might be presently unknowable to them, seems like vanity to me... to be afraid of not seeming to be infallible.
+--- 21938592
+>>21936483
+>>21936588
+>Are these hypostases something you've constructed for the sake of explaining how being can be logically, "ordinally" caused without implying temporal causation, or are you referring to an explicit metaphysical structure here? 
+Seconding this. Sounds like Neoplatonism to me.
+>>21936656
+Also seconding this post.
+--- 21938650
+>>21938457
+>Alright, so if we establish that...then we have at once destroyed any claims that philosophers have about being intelligent persons
+That doesn't follow; what would follow, *if* knowledge in the high sense were unavailable, would be that no one is wise, and that practically effective people, whether politicians or engineers, are operating by some combination of luck, knack, and pandering that as ungrounded in knowledge sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. But I would point out that this ignores that Aristotle, while admitting that the subjects don't admit of precise knowledge but of probability, wrote works such as the Ethics, Politics, Rhetoric, etc. He doesn't settle for only theoretical inquiries, if that's what you suppose a philosopher does.
+
+>but we cannot take seriously such a claim (made by persons who would say such a thing) in the first place because other than material science there is no basis from which to begin "to muse" about anything
+Do you have in mind strict empiricism, or something a little looser? Three points: 1) Strict empiricism, as per Hume, doesn't get you an account of anything, just opinions, since explaining motion requires appealing to or inventing concepts that aren't empirical. 2) What's the difference between Aristotle inferring the prime mover, and modern materialist physicists inferring dark matter or the big bang, or evolutionists inferring a process not empirically visible? 3) Aristotle disagrees with Plato on quite a bit, but they both accept inquiry into opinions as a means of discovering what may or may not be true by hypotheses (see Socrates' autobiography in the Phaedo). This doesn't mean the mere acceptance of opinions, but the testing of them and working out hypotheses to cautiously say how the world might be if x or y were or were not the case. If I understand you, you're appealing to what's practically good, or useful, or beneficial, and both Plato and Aristotle would say, I think, that your position only stands well if you've worked out whether, for example, good = useful etc., and why one should pursue it, since it's an obscure value; that, or that your position isn't able to argue for why it should be merited over rival positions, if the values underlying yours aren't worth working out, as Plato and Aristotle would do, but which you seem to consider theological.
+
+>This was partly what I was attempting to convey to the other anon, that there's all benefit to be gained from actual study of things, and that "profound musing on the beginning of time" is of no value whatsoever;
+I would argue that your position also falls prey to the issue I posed in this way: without study into the principles, what guarantees that agricultural science that works today will work tomorrow? The account of why it should hold is apparently irrelevant, but wouldn't you argue that the farmer who decides to do things however they want is a fool, since they're doing so without regard to established grounds?
+--- 21938734
+>>21938650
+>That doesn't follow; what would follow, *if* knowledge in the high sense were unavailable, would be that no one is wise,
+No no no xD it's the exact of that; 'as' knowledge in so-called 'igh sense' cannot be demosntrated to exist, would be that ny knowledge possessed by people 'must' come from actual scientific study of real things, which is already true, and that people who don't pursue those studies are: 
+>not wise
+> operating by some combination of luck, knack, (and failing miserably all the time, i.e. cannot predict anything, gravitate to consensus based dogmas, constantly in a state of self-imposed socially-imposed chaos).
+
+>Do you have in mind
+My point was that if the 'perception' people have 'of' philosophers (or of knowledge) begins by dismissing all scientific inquiry, then there is no knowledge basis or ground to begin any inquiry from. You seem far more well-versed in Aristotle than I am, but I'd struggle to believe he would have actually argued for... obliviousness or 'wishful thinking'.. as being a functional mode of operation, since it would be a non-starter. It seems more like it would be a retcon, many centuries later, by theologian types who would have been killed for admitting (the points made here).
+
+Overall I'm pointing out that vast applicable knowledge is waiting to be discovered and put to great use by a person with a mind to do so, but that a common error seems to be to merely glance at these things (agriculture, medicine, engineering, etc.) and to ponder about "ultimate beginning of the universe," which is inactionable and useless.
+
+>This doesn't mean the mere acceptance of opinions, but the testing of them and working out hypotheses to cautiously say how the world might be if x or y were or were not the case
+Exactly right, but one cannot begin to do this if one begins from a stance that 'knowledge' is not derived from study of material reality, or predictions cannot be proven (as they cannot, anyway, be proven if a person is operating in fantasy as there is nothing to physically study or physically demonstrate).
+
+>without study into the principles, what guarantees that agricultural science that works today will work tomorrow?
+Well of course there are principles which we learn from observing things without bias or presupposition of what those principles are; but again we can only learn them and learn how to work with them if we're studying in reality.
+
+>established ground
+That is the point where inquiry begins: in order to know whether a thing is working or not working one needs to be willing to investigate it.
+
+> the farmer who decides to do things however they want is a fool,
+perhaps, but he would be forced to self-correct and attune to logic when his first notions fail to produce results. Working 'in' material reality gives the farmer proof of whether he's correct or not (unlike a theologian), and... further... when he finds working method he may refine it and make it work even better.
+--- 21938736
+>it's the exact of that;
+*exact opposite
+--- 21938925
+bump
+--- 21938958
+>>21938462
+>It really seems to confound people that a thing might be presently unknowable to them, seems like vanity to me... to be afraid of not seeming to be infallible.
+Welcome to "philosophy."
+--- 21938993
+>>21938457
+>I explained to you how "ultimate cause" is common everyday logical error
+This is just flat wrong. You're not explaining anything, you're confused about the basics of logic. "let's drain the ocean to stop the leaking pipe" is not analogous in any way to understanding the need any logical system or model has for ultimate logical causes.
+>Consider that you're too stupid to see the point
+I gave you many opportunities to clarify, even after thinking about it for a day you're unable to. It's so easy to address my criticisms by simply saying something slightly coherent. You refused to do so. Every word drips with deranged hostility and then you get outraged that I call you out as the disgusting lying retard you are. Stop pretending to be honest and capable of thinking. Fuck off.
+>that "profound musing on the beginning of time" is of no value whatsoever
+These basics of logic are what computers are based on. A group working from the premise you presented in this quote wouldn't be able to come up with computers. They wouldn't see the value in studying abstract things like raw logic disconnected from any specific pipe or gear.
+--- 21939015
+>>21938462
+>It really seems to confound people that a thing might be presently unknowable to them, seems like vanity to me... to be afraid of not seeming to be infallible.
+This quote could only be said by a person from a culture with a Christian past. God is unknowable. That's the point, who is saying they know the whole mind of God? Anyone pretending their models can account for everything.
+--- 21939630
+>>21938993
+>This is just flat wrong.
+pfft how? You can see this all the time in the universalist thinking of people; politics, religion, social interactions, etc. it's a simple conflation really, that's what I was trying to get across to you with the "drain the ocean" vs "mend the pipe" (or how blowing up the sun would solve Jims problem of not wanting to go to school, etc.) involving massive logical leaps which ignore all stages of in a sequence which lead up to an effect and begin, instead, with the most grandiose "sledgehammer to a walnut" 'solution', which produces catastrophe.
+
+I'm saying that's not logic at all, but rather an avoidance of logic.
+
+>I gave you many opportunities to clarify, even after thinking about it for a day you're unable to. 
+>deranged hostility 
+whatever little miss gas-lighting, obviously (cause) you're mired in one of these thought patterns yourself as (effect) you're unable to grasp what's being explained to you. Common everyday dissonant trigger reaction, coupled with verbal abuse which confirms you as a guilt-ridden schizophrenic.
+
+>>21938958
+I agree. 
+
+>>21939015
+This was partly my point; when a religious person displaces something onto a God, "they know it's God" they are saying that they "know everything already," and they weasel out of actually saying it out loud by adding "God is unknowable," which, when put into an equation ends up as simply failing to provide an answer - e.g. ?+?=? - it's identical to the prior anon, you don't wantto mend the leaky pipe because it would mean exerting yourself to a hard scientific discipline (lol) so you philosophize about draining the entire ocean to solve the problem in an "ultimate" manner, not you personally I mean, but this is the babyishness of such modes of thought; the non-activity that follows from them.
+
+See the prior anon, for instance.
+--- 21939646
+>>21938993
+>>that "profound musing on the beginning of time" is of no value whatsoever
+>These basics of logic
+Quite contrarily, if all men did was muse about the sky we would have no inventions at all, we only begin to have knowledge when men take their minds off of profound nonsense.
+
+"the habit is profound thinking is one of the most pernicious habits developed by civilized man,"
+Flavius Constantine
+--- 21939688
+>>21937005
+>One would think, given that he states that motion is a change in place, but given that they never rest because they're always moving (something that they can do because they are made out of quintessence), they fall into another category. Specifically, Aristotle defines motion, which is a specific case of the more general "literally anything happening" as a potential becoming actual. There thus has to be an end (as in a stopping point) to motion. But the Gods never stop moving, so the potential never actualizes. Ergo, they aren't "really" moving in the way that you or I do (Aristotle believed that the universe had a firm center, so ignore the fact that the Earth is hurtling through space and that we're just in momentum with it).
+Interesting. I immediately think about how this definition of motion would contrast with motion defined in Newtonian mechanics. An object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force. In a hypothetical vacuum, this means that an object's motion could continue on forever, so it wouldn't count as motion in Aristotle's paradigm. 
+>which is a specific case of the more general "literally anything happening" as a potential becoming actual. 
+I suppose a better way of thinking about it is not just a change in place, but a change in speed too (no acceleration). There's no motion without acceleration. Hence no change. However, since the direction is always changing in uniform circular motion, then velocity/acceleration/jerk/whatever/etc. is always changing too, even if the speed remains the same. I'm not a physics expert by any means, but it sounds like that's as far as a reconciliation as we can get between the two paradigms.
+--- 21940040
+>>21938734
+>as' knowledge in so-called 'igh sense' cannot be demosntrated...
+You wouldn't be left with the scientific study about real things, you'd be left with Humean empiricism which can't even settle whether the hand that pushes against a ball is the cause of the ball moving, you just have discrete opinions of the sort of "today the weather was good" without any account to tell you whether it will be the same tomorrow or why and why not. To do that requires trusting the memories of things that have already passed; a data table isn't purely empirical because you have to trust that your memories of things no longer observable in front of you are reliable. It seems to me that your stance is a "commonsense" view of science, but I can only remind that the founders of the dominant mode of science, Descartes and Bacon, cast doubt on the reliability of the senses, and the strictest empiricist in philosophy, Hume, had to settle for probability and not certainty in science.
+
+>My point was that if the 'perception' people have 'of' philosophers...
+I have to admit to having trouble following you, because Aristotle went further than the "materialists" of his time, e.g., in his study of animals, meteorological phenomena, motion, etc., all of which countbas prooer phenomena in modern science. This is doubly puzzling because I'd said at >>21937019
+that nature might be more knowable to Aristotle than political things or human conflicts. If your point is that science should have as its end goal benefits or utility for human problem solving, then the issue is still why you think that end goal is obvious and apparently not worth inquiring into.
+
+I'm also not sure where in what I said you see me saying Aristotle supports wishful thinking or obliviousness; if you're referring to inspection of opinions, I would say that the execution of Socrates and Aristotle's own retreat from Athens to avoid persecution at the end of his life are strong factors; factors apparently not in play in the same way in the West today, but in a religious and superstitious society like the ancient world, it's a good exercise of prudence to not say out loud everything you think so frankly, and Aristotle, following Plato and Socrates, didn't believe philosophy was for everyone.
+
+>Exactly right, but...
+I, with Aristotle and Plato, would say that this would be an assumption that needs testing, not unhesitating acceptance. It requires a leap of some kind to replace the "commonsense" view of the world with this approach that's not obviously right; if philosophy is the replacement of opinions with knowledge, what guarantees that this isn't just another opinion?
+
+For the rest, I would just reiterate what I said above in this post: that it's not clear to me why you think Aristotle doesn't study the material world or practical things. I think you might have a narrow perception of what Aristotle studied.
+--- 21940050
+>>21940040
+>countbas prooer
+Lol, *count as proper
+--- 21940094
+>>21939688
+>so it wouldn't count as motion in Aristotle's paradigm.
+And if that thing didn't have anything to compare its motion to, it couldn't even discern that it was moving according to our modern paradigms without very sophisticated machinery. 
+
+>but it sounds like that's as far as a reconciliation as we can get between the two paradigms.
+Aristotle is absolutely a believer in "free-energy" as provided by quintessence, which makes a lot of his physics and metaphysics really wonky as the conservation of energy (and a bunch of other stuff) is one of the core tenets of modern physics. Given that he thought in terms of speeds and not acceleration, plus this, just how "weird" his thought is by modern standards is often overlooked. 
+
+It's also where a lot of people who are more familiar with the Thomistic first-cause-as-billiards-player model slip up, as the Gods are (to use modern physics) constantly putting more energy into the system and siphoning off heat. It's like a big soup that the Gods are stirring: if they stopped, the soup would settle, but they keep the motion going so it's always churning. Despite it's intense rationality it's also deeply theistic, in opposition to the aforementioned Thomistic model which doesn't really need anything approaching a personal deity after the first billiard ball was set into motion.
+--- 21940123
+>>21940040
+>You wouldn't be left with the scientific study about real things, you'd be left with Humean empiricism which can't even settle whether the hand that pushes against a ball is the cause of the ball moving,
+lol
+
+as kind of expected your argument boils down to
+SCIENCE ISN'T REAL 
+
+what a tool, and I say this for your own good. A mind is a terrible to thing to waste.
+--- 21940133
+>>21936483
+>>21936588
+>>21938592
+bump
+--- 21940139
+>>21935217
+>>21936533
+The duality of man.
+And /lit/ in a nutshell.
+--- 21940145
+>>21939688
+>>21940094
+Look into Carlo Rovelli's "Aristotle's Physics: A Physicist's Look". From the abstract:
+
+>I show that Aristotelian physics is a correct and nonintuitive
+approximation of Newtonian physics in the suitable domain (motion in fluids)
+in the same technical sense in which Newton’s theory is an approximation of
+Einstein’s theory. Aristotelian physics lasted long not because it became dogma,
+but because it is a very good, empirically grounded theory. This observation
+suggests some general considerations on intertheoretical relationships.
+--- 21940164
+>>21940123
+Lol, okay kid, I've been very patient with your non-sequitur examples and jumps in reasoning, so besides pointing out that your reading comprehension is garbage, since I didn't say "science isn't real", I'll point out that if your science is empirical without mathematics, then it's not science but opinions, and if your science uses mathematics with emprical observations, then you've introduced speculation and idealism into your science, since mathematical formula aren't fucking objects of nature. You've never thought about this, because you don't think but just nod your head to whatever experts gets your peepee hardest the most.
+--- 21940172
+>>21940040
+there is more i could add but i'm pushed for time,
+
+let's sumarize it with this:
+> I think you might have a narrow perception of what Aristotle studied.
+okay, but you're coming from aistotle ad telling me that if i focus solely on evidenced based reality (i.e. material science) that i'm suddenly a slave to some fat man named david hume (COS SCENCE ISNT' REAL i.e.yoy believe proof is impossible, and that knowledge cannot be proven etc.)- which conveys that you are not grasping sciece at all, but rather a dogmatism based on of random philosophers posthumusly. no pun intended. which is no diffeent to the theological blinders.
+
+fuck that idiocy.
+
+LSS. 
+didnt ant to just call you a tool and be done with it ;)
+--- 21940191
+>>21940172
+I can't think of anything more theological than "JUST BELIEVE THIS WORKS AND STOP ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT IT"
+--- 21940216
+>>21940164
+see: >>21940172
+
+Hahhaa calling me a kid, you really are a tool.
+
+> I didn't say "science isn't real", 
+explained above
+
+>t if your science is empirical without mathematics, then it's not science but opinions, 
+AAHHHHH so, we've evolved to:
+"If I prove what I say about a physical thing or some observable process, demonstrating the case sticking to science to do do, then it's (STILL) an only opinion," 
++ 
+"UNLESS I BEGIN TO USE NUMBERS ALL OF A SUDDEN," 
+- wait what? just pretending it's unknowable isn't good enough to support my case? hahaha
+
+Not only is that obvious goal-post moving but it's utterly backwards to what I said in the first place;
+
+simply: all and any knowledge derived from observance of material reality, there is no such thing as knowledge not derived from material reality.
+
+and what the fuck is this shit,
+>you don't think but just nod your head to whatever experts gets your peepee hardest the most.
+
+What experts are out there today talking about this stuff? You've come into this with some prejudicial political bias, apparently. Oh, sure, you're the underdog and I'm the elitist. I'm just a guy telling you to grow potatoes before you pretend that you can deal with the mysteries of the cosmos, anon. It's petulance and laziness on your part to refuse.
+--- 21940234
+>>21940191
+Again, I'm offering you to study any material science of your liking; to develop actual skill, and to come to understand how proof is integral to such a thing and obviously exists. 
+
+You're just musing about the clouds and pretending you already know everything and don't need to bother with reality; when you're told to do something useful you act as if you're a noble scion being oppressed in your quest for "unattainable wisdom" from "the stars (or something)",
+
+it's very stupid.
+--- 21940255
+>>21940216
+>AAHHHHH so, we've evolved to:
+>"If I prove what I say about a physical thing or some observable process, demonstrating the case sticking to science to do do, then it's (STILL) an only opinion,"
+You absolute killer retard, science isn't only empirical observation, but a mix of observation with mathematical idealism. You're so illiterate and unlearned that it completely goes over your head that empricism alone gets you "oh, the stick bends when it's in water because that's what my eyes observe by empirical observation, so water = BENDING POWER".
+--- 21940263
+>>21940234
+I work in contracting and read philosophy for pleasure. What's your excuse for knowing so little?
+--- 21940299
+>>21940255
+>You're so illiterate and unlearned that it completely goes over your head that empricism alone gets you "oh, the stick bends when it's in water because that's what my eyes observe by empirical observation,
+HA WHat human would reach that conclusion? This is a false supposition on your part, anon, David Hume did not invent 'causality' in the physical universe; likewise Isaac Newton doesn't hold the patent on gravity. These are men in a coffee shop, musing about things that anybody knows intrinsically* or would come to anyway of their own accord.
+
+It refutes your entire worldview to realize that an illiterate farmer or fisherman was everyday utilizing more complex sciences, of their own accord, long before and after and entirely independently of Newton, for instance.
+
+But we are dealing here with the cloistered coxcomb school who believes sincerely that "socrates invented asking questions," and "plato invented speaking nicely to each other," fucking hell ...
+
+speaking of socrates*
+
+In short, go to hell, anon. Come back to me when you've invented and built a 32 oarsdeck quireme war ship or when your society can produce me 300 lesser than 32 oarsdeck quiremes in under a month. Until then, shut your mouth.
+--- 21940309
+>>21940263
+Too busy choking aristotle faggots with my cock shaft, most likely.
+
+>contracting
+getting syphilis is not a career, anon.
+--- 21940323
+>>21940299
+1) You don't know shit about the history of philosophy, about the history of science, nor about science itself. Your science is just religion sold without a yarmulka on top.
+
+2) I build houses and apartments, Mr. Armchair Scientist.
+--- 21940408
+>>21940323
+1) i notice you've conceded the argument
+2) i notice your prejudicial political bias is of the tradcath outsourcing-of-own-responsibility-onto-other-ethnic-groups variant
+
+>marmaduke
+perrrrhaps, just perhaps, if you learned to grow that potato and prosper, then you wouldn't think jews were using magic to hold you down.
+--- 21940451
+>>21940408
+1) Since your notion of "logic" = "is science", it doesn't surprise me that you don't know when an argument's been conceded and when it's been dropped because the you argue like you're wetbrained.
+
+2) I'm an atheist, and you're an embarrassing defender of science, but if it makes you feel better, I'm sure reddit and twitter users would applaud your sticking to your guns when you don't know anything about the OP author or anything you apparently support.

lit/21935641.txt

@@ -115,3 +115,14 @@ Schmidt is the only postmodern writer I read because he's neck deep into 18th an
 >>21936858
 >learning the most beautiful language on earth just to read some modern meme author
 Überdenke dein Leben, Anon.
+--- 21938532
+>>21937955
+i also really love germany and want to read more than just schimdt. sei nett bitte
+--- 21938536
+>>21936896
+tfw you only care about showing off how based and tradpilled you are on a faggy imageboard
+--- 21940002
+final bump
+--- 21941295
+>>21940002
+But why? Do you want to talk about anything in particular, anon?

lit/21935657.txt

@@ -542,3 +542,729 @@ Has nothing to do with the heart of the message, but okay?
 --- 21938092
 >>21936680
 Kind of, but not necessarily in a good way. Most of the programmes I've gone with have had either squats or deadlifts in each session, and while I enjoy it, it absolutely ruins me. After lifting, it is like I am on drugs. I am sedated and contented, pretty much in the same way I am when I abuse the milder opioids like codeine or tramadol. That's a nice and healthy way to get rid of some existential anxiety, but that anxiety is a very strong drive as well. After lifting, I'm fine watching prolefeed on netflix and don't feel like I am wasting my time. Without lifting, I feel compelled to do more difficult, challenging and ultimately more rewarding things.
+--- 21938098
+>>21938082
+Its just truth the God message.
+--- 21938104
+>>21938098
+I will meet him
+atop of Yggdrasil!
+--- 21938120
+>>21936948
+I think it means no animals to work the soil and harvest. It looks like a book about plant farming, anon.
+--- 21938125
+>>21938120
+I took "animal inputs" to mean things like fertilizer and stuff. The beautiful thing about a traditional farm is that biproducts of animals are used to grow plants, which produce biproducts to feed the animal. Its a big, beautiful self-propelling system and a great symbol for the cycle of life within civilization. Too bad factory farming stripped all the smaller farms.
+--- 21938150
+>>21935657 (OP)
+---- Solaria ----
+226
+severe weather statistics 
+
+i actually thought about how embarrasing it would be 
+To be caught with my pants down
+
+Or off, should a twister raze the house 
+While the third hailstorm this april clobbered the roof
+
+In impressive waves, billions of bird-egg size masterpieces thundering down
+From fast-freezing heights, endless softly glowing moonlets 
+
+Some punishing god has strewn from heights
+Too vague to see, if not measure
+
+Indirectly as one does from radar and such. 
+
+I actually felt a little more irritated than frightened
+As the huge apple canopy was wounded,
+
+A few pansies and snapdragons were hit in their containers,
+Windshields almost, but not quite, yielded 
+
+To the heaviest of them. 
+
+There's very broad line of oaks in clear view, about two or three centuries old
+Yet still I feel it's a cursed year, fit for reverse storm chasing
+
+At least as far as comedy asides go.
+--- 21938174
+I am envious of Japanese NEETs. I wish I could be come so hyper-obsessive about a crappy JRPG or Anime, then go and wave glowsticks at my favourite Idol's matinee, then go home and masturbate with the hand she shook at the meet and greet I had to buy 20 CDs to attend. 
+
+Seems comfy. I am jealous of the hyper-obsession the most, nothing ever interests me for very long.
+--- 21938202
+>>21938174
+I find the narrowness or their obsessions pure Hell even in contemplation, even though as Asians go, they live in comparative ease, and their native tongue is sweet and suave. Japan, on the whole, is rather nice, but mostly by contrast to the stupendous tyranny of Asia. I'd never go there to live, not matter what you paid me.
+--- 21938216
+I'll just repost a poem I wrote:
+
+My beautiful golden goddess
+who lights up my life.
+Your warm, feathered love
+which fills my heart with glee.
+
+The gorgeous pool of blue–
+Turquoise;
+wrapped carefully in amber fleece and pink chevelure,
+those deep wondrous eyes
+that fill my soul with meaning.
+
+That radiant gleaming smile
+God, that smile
+My winsome, angelic fluttershy
+How i love you so
+https://files.catbox.moe/sawuwm.jpg
+https://files.catbox.moe/57r8ri.png
+--- 21938256
+>>21938202
+Even though I was sort of serious, I agree that when turned toward pure consumption the obsessive streak is hellish, but it is also this obsessiveness that the Japanese high arts are contingent on for their perfectionism and cultivation of immense skill. Things like Noh actors studying their movements for years, zen calligraphy, the kata of martial arts all require a kind of manic commitment to perfection. 
+
+As a pathological dilettante I can't deny it has an appeal.
+--- 21938318
+>>21938256
+I'm a lazy charismatic from a rather fortunate background, if a little encylopedic as collectors go, if that counts as obsessive: I've archived almost every thread I've posted on since 2015, as a matter of course, as If I'll live for geological frames of time to review them, or, likewise, any of the 100,000 hours of content I have littered about my house. At most I've about 10 years to live, and still I collect. Naturally my favorite literary masterpieces are Well's The Time Machine, Wilde's The Picture Of Dorian Grey, and Goethe's Faust pt. II.
+--- 21938390
+I really regret not trying harder to get published last year.
+--- 21938391
+>>21938390
+there is always this year, anon!
+--- 21938393
+>>21938074
+It’s an oxymoron. A Christian can live in a democracy, but the Christian form of government is not a democracy and can never be a democracy.
+--- 21938396
+How old were you when you started using your leisure time to read? I
+--- 21938429
+every day someone makes a thread on this board that's like
+
+>guys what is a book about a 24 year old men of indian/belgian origin, born in september who movies from his town with population of 100k to Wellington, meets a woman the same age as his mom and includes refuting of Keynesian school of economics 
+
+why the fuck do you come up with shit that's so specific, write your own book at this point
+--- 21938439
+I regret my entire life.
+--- 21938448
+>>21938429
+I think they are trying to find books based off of details they remember. Back in the early 2000s I read a Sci-fi short story collection from an old book but I don't remember the name and all the short stories I've asked about no one knows about. I'm too old to go into the middle school now to ask about it. I still can't find the book to this day.
+--- 21938505
+My adult life is has been so boring, lame, and mediocre. I know it can get better but I don’t know if I can get what I want. Sometimes I want to kill myself.
+--- 21938514
+>>21938505
+>My adult life is has been so boring, lame, and mediocre.
+Can I have your life? More time to focus on myself, take it slow, and self-improve.
+--- 21938521
+>>21938505
+>has a steady job and own apartment
+--- 21938534
+>>21938393
+This. The Christian form of Government is Anarcho-Theo-Monarchy.
+--- 21938544
+It’s over
+--- 21938549
+>>21938521
+I don’t have my own apartment anymore…
+--- 21938559
+29 seems like a big filter. People who will go onto be successful will feel the urgency and perform. People who won’t, won’t. This is how I feel about it looking back.
+--- 21938570
+Any alternatives to wikipedia where I can casually read about all sorts of historical events from all periods?
+Something that is either in the public domain or can be pirated
+--- 21938584
+I miss the times when academic books didn't treat their readers like they were complete retards and dropped untranslated greek and latin all over the fucking place like it was the most natural thing in the world.
+--- 21938633
+>want to get into certain job
+>get some affordable certificates
+>read material on it
+>send 50 applications
+>2 job interviews
+>"not selected because the other candidates had more relevant job experience"
+>cant even get into intern position
+>only two solutions : either completely drop the idea of getting there or spend a couple thousands (not kidding) on a certificate which doesnt even guarantee anything
+I want to say that I'm tenacious but even it has its own limits and especially when you bang the door but no one answers.
+--- 21938644
+I had a really bad track record in college. I cannot tell how much I feel like this has limited my career potential. I feel like this is going to follow me around and haunt me forever.
+--- 21938663
+>>21938633
+A lot people in their 20s have given up, dude. It’s started feeling like if you didn’t get lucky and make all the right decisions at 18 and immediately sail into a successful career, then you’re fucked. I just turned 30 and I’m living in my mom’s house working a shitty remote job as a contractor for the same university I barely graduated from much later than everyone else. I wanted to go grad school and get a fresh start so to speak, but when coronavirus put everything online, I just got depressed, lost interest, and gave up.
+--- 21938668
+I guess sometimes you can want to be a man of destiny but will have to accept that you’re a man of no destiny, or reject it and kill yourself…
+--- 21938673
+>>21938663
+I'm in my early 30's too. I do realize that I'm fighting an uphill battle. 
+>shitty remote job
+I wish I could be in your place. However I do feeling like that drowning person in this anecdote.
+A person hears a man shouting from the lake, he comes on the shore and says - Dont bother.
+--- 21938679
+>>21938673
+Should I be grateful for what I have?
+--- 21938681
+>>21938679
+I dont know, you could be in my place (which is way worse than yours).
+--- 21938691
+>>21935657 (OP)
+I think I'm coming to realize that I like Stirner far more than Nietzsche. For Nietzsche, there is this concept of the overman, which means that you are continually overcoming things, and creating new things. I think there's something insidious about this idea, it's much like how on Why Theory with Todd McGowan and Ryan Engley they talk about how twitter has a collective memory of very little, unless it's people digging up old posts to cancel you. That's what it reminds me of when I think of the overman - with Stirner it's not that you continually overcome morality to create new moralities, you realize permanently that morality is a spook, and you are the creative nothing. I do respect Nietzsche, but I just find Stirner far more agreeable. 
+
+I had a dream a couple nights ago that there was an Aakon Keetreh (Les Legions Noirs black metal band) red book, with a red cover and black writing on the front of it, which I was trying to attain, but I woke up before I could get it. 
+
+I have been feeling like I wasted much of childhood being a slow reader, finishing only about 10 books a year, and how this makes me basically inferior to anyone else who can finish enormous stacks of books. I have also gained about 5 pounds, even though I work out 5 times a week, weigh 185 pounds, and haven't increased my calorie intake. 
+
+I've been getting really into pu erh tea, I ordered several tea cakes from various sellers, including white2tea, amazon, and Yunnan Sourcing. I enjoy it more than coffee at this point, it's subtler. I now have about 5 tea cakes, and 5 samples of different teas. 
+
+I'm really annoyed by my literature professor, he won't let me do my project the way I want to do it. He says that it has to primarily be about King Lear, but I'm trying to define my terms for the Lacanian Deleuzian angle I'm trying to take the paper, and the fucker keeps telling me that it has to be less about the theorists and more about King Lear. Literature scholars are fucking autists who can't stand any deviation from their preferred subject matter (I'm diagnosed with autism level 1 so I can use the word autist).
+--- 21938765
+>>21938681
+It might be. If that’s the case, I do sympathize. But you surely do understand that it doesn’t make you feel better to know there are others less fortunate than you, right? I mean, surely, there are people who are a lot worse off than you are. Do you want to talk about what’s the problem anyway? I have some time here.
+--- 21938806
+>>21938765
+>But you surely do understand that it doesn’t make you feel better to know there are others less fortunate than you, right?
+Ofcourse. I do not deny that my situation is better than starving african childs one. 
+>Do you want to talk about what’s the problem anyway?
+Sure but I dont know where to start. Give me some questions and start from there.
+--- 21938823
+>>21938806
+Well you said you feel like a drowning man. So you either you feel like you’re taking on water and can’t make it stop, or you feel like you’re treading but can’t make any progress, or maybe both. So which is it?
+--- 21938830
+>>21938691
+ Your prof is doing you a favor. Can't tell you how many essays I've seen like this where it's 95% irrelevant "theory" and 5% content. You have to learn to analyze a text within the standards of the discipline, not just how you would do it given total freedom. He is trying to save himself the headache of having to give you a B when you write a mess of an essay that only gets to King Lear in the last few pages and you're weeping about it in his office and inbox.
+--- 21938833
+>>21935657 (OP)
+My friends love cooking and it's making me insecure. Insecure because I can't cook, I know nothing about food preparation, I know nothing about picking out ingredients, and worst of all, I don't even enjoy eating. I eat because not eating causes pain and death, that's it. If you want my opinion, make some cup noodles and let's go for a walk. Eating something new isn't novel, interesting or exciting for me, instead it fills me with vague apprehension that I won't be able to eat it and self loathing that I'm the odd one out in this. Even if the food is great, is it really so great to be worth burning the entire evening on when we could be doing something else? Especially when 1/3 of us have nothing to contribute but somehow keep getting invited around anyway? 
+But I can't say that, it might make them feel bad and more to the point it also wouldn't work. It wouldn't be right anyway, they're not wrong for enjoying a creative skill and one of the basic fundamental experiences of being a person, eating. I'm wrong for not enjoying it. I was the one who was born wrong, who was raised wrong, who since becoming an adult has both consciously and unconsciously chosen to remain wrong, about this and many other things. No, I don't resent my friends, their interests, or how they spend their time, but I deeply resent myself.
+--- 21938836
+>>21938823
+I feel like I've finally found a thing which I'd like to try but no one gives me an opportunity to show what Im capable to because I've made a grevious mistake of choosing useless degree and later isolating myself. Its similar to "its good that you're trying and such but the world doesnt care about your efforts, accept your place as a trash".
+--- 21938851
+>>21938836
+Well, I don’t think isolation is such a big issue because you can always just come out of isolation. Also, I think you are a bit lucky to have any sort of direction at all. When I look at people are age, almost all of them are totally aimless. As for your degree, your background can make things harder. Being honest, how hard have you tried to convince people to give you a shot? Are you able to mention what this thing is and what’s your degree? It’s hard to comment on much either way without more details.
+--- 21938858
+I want to run for office but I’m really worried by poor undergraduate record will come back to haunt me.
+--- 21938874
+>>21938851
+That direction is just what kind job I'd like to try, not the general life one. 
+>how hard have you tried to convince people to give you a shot?
+probably everything except literal bootlicking and dropping a couple of thousands to get certs. I guess it doesnt help that my original degree is physics (huge mistake) and that job is more into economics. I couldnt even get the minimal wage with night hours job in that area.
+--- 21938902
+>>21938874
+My degree is in economics and I’ve worked in finance. It can be tricky to get a job related to markets or finance if that’s your goal, but it can be done. I’ve worked with someone who had a physics degree actually.
+--- 21938916
+>>21938902
+>It can be tricky
+I just want to get into AML area. I think the actual trickiness lies that you cant get any practical skills on your own unlike programming or coding. Sadly, I do not have any connections who could recommend me nor actual on-hand skills. Sure, I do have tenacity and idiocy to send multiple applications to the same bank even after getting rejected more than couple of times. Im just like that drowning man.
+--- 21938928
+>>21938916
+I sent out hundreds of emails before I got my first finance job. Have you considered a masters degree? Why do you want to work in AML so badly? Bank work is soulless no matter which department you’re in.
+--- 21938931
+>>21937077
+Give up now. Go and get a job at a restaurant.
+--- 21938942
+>>21938928
+>Have you considered a masters degree?
+No, especially knowing that I barely passed my bachelor (psychological problem) and not having any funds. 
+>Why do you want to work in AML so badly?
+Sounds interesting, theres possibility for it being a remote job and being in bank could open me other options like maybe getting into IT. Basically a solid entry point. Every wage job is soulless.
+--- 21938955
+>>21938830
+Yeah yeah. I'm putting the explanations of the theory in footnotes. I hate papers where people just use terms without defining them. Everything in my paper needs to be clear.
+--- 21938976
+Jeb is a mess
+--- 21938995
+No matter what I do, I just can't escape these low moods.
+--- 21939003
+I am in an M.A. program and have used AI to write every assignment. I have perfect grades. This has given me so much free time that I am reading for fun again. Also, kek at professors thinking they deserve any respect for letting this happen.
+--- 21939006
+>>21939003
+Dont let this be you
+--- 21939018
+Occasionally my shit turns rancid and horrible and squeezes out in these terrible piles of mush. For no discernable reason. My diet and lifestyle do not change at all. Then it will go back to normal solid poo after a week. I dont get it
+--- 21939022
+>>21938942
+No funds can be a problem but bad bachelor’s degree grades are not, especially if you’re coming from STEM. I’m grappling with returning to school right now myself and I also had bad grades. I don’t think you necessarily need to work for a bank to get into IT with a physics degree. Don’t you think you can self teach and work on some projects to get hired?
+--- 21939026
+>>21939006
+topkek. No, I rewrite everything eventually to fit my style once I refine the prompts to eliminate any excess tokens, such as "as a language model." These people are simply retarded and show why AI will be a good thing to eliminate them from society.
+--- 21939041
+>>21939022
+>Don’t you think you can self teach and work on some projects to get hired?
+eh, maybe some SQL could help to get junior analyst position. too bad my brain doesnt work.
+--- 21939053
+>>21939041
+Do a boot camp or course on Udemy
+--- 21939063
+>>21939053
+Will that make any difference? I already burned that way a couple years ago.
+--- 21939085
+>>21939063
+I think it would be better than nothing, don’t you? It seems like a reasonable compromise between being self taught and pursuing a university degree.
+--- 21939104
+Closure post.
+
+I always said this trip would end through either my rise or demise and I guess I've risen. I didn't even realize that its been over 2 weeks since I was last on here. Life has been really good for me recently. I'm dating that girl I was super into and I've been having a lot of fun with my friends. Work is alright and the government gave me a bunch of money in tax returns. I'm eating good, working out again and you might be pleased to know I've even started reading again. This may be the happiest I've ever been. I go to bed and wake up with a smile on my face and I hardly ever brood or ruminate anymore. So I guess this is the end. Now lets be real here. There's no way this is my last post. You know it and I know it. An attention whore like me could never allow that to happen. All I know is right now I don't enjoy this anymore. I have no need for it. So this is the end for now. Let the record show you can attain happiness even as a drinker, smoker, toker and joker. 
+
+I love you all and wish you all the best. Cheers <3
+
+- the author of the xi jinping of weed smoking
+https://youtu.be/QvsF4FMdagQ [Embed]
+--- 21939112
+>>21939085
+Getting a simple job so I could live by and learn IT after work does sound like a plan but my damn fools pride doesnt want for it happen as says that if I do it, I remain in the same spot for years.
+--- 21939118
+>>21939104
+>Not even the Steve Miller band
+You're right; you are a (You) seeking fuck up. You had one job etc etc 
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV3AziKTBUo [Embed]
+--- 21939135
+>Mom: I've been getting into buddhism lately
+>Me, nods: "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him."
+>Mom: looks at me weird and changes the subject.
+--- 21939150
+>>21939112
+Can I ask you a more personal question? What do you want to do with your life? Do you just want to have a respectable job and make some money, or is there something else you feel like you’re called to do? You can be honest with me. I won’t judge you.
+--- 21939160
+>>21939150
+Ideally I'd like to do something creative (arts or writing) with my life. However I do feel like a starving artist minus the artist part.
+--- 21939219
+>>21939160
+Well, you can take my advice with a grain of salt but if that’s really what you want to do with your life my advice would be to get really moving on that ASAP and hit it hard, and then get whatever job you can get which pays the bills and still allows you time and energy to create. Make it your goal to have something you created to put there within 1 year.
+--- 21939237
+I wonder how I can salvage my biography of the last 2 years. Keeping a shitty remote job and moving across the state to live with my mom doesn’t jive with my aspirations.
+--- 21939249
+>>21939219
+I dont know what creative endevour to be completely honest with you. It's like I have no ideas yet creativity calls.
+--- 21939267
+I guess I'm doing fine
+--- 21939269
+>>21939249
+That’s usually how creativity works. It’s not a rational process. Is there any one art form that calls out to you?
+--- 21939270
+>>21939267
+What do you mean you guess? Either you’re fine or you’re not.
+--- 21939285
+>>21939270
+I don't know.
+--- 21939287
+>>21939269
+If going by the 7 main ones
+>Painting, Sculpture, Literature, Architecture, Cinema, Music and Theater
+then I lean towards Painting and Literature the most.
+--- 21939294
+>>21939287
+Then you should hit one or both of those hard. Aim to have a few paintings done and a few writings done within the next year.
+--- 21939338
+>>21939294
+I really should hit it hard. Maybe I'll start on meditating for thoughts.
+--- 21939418
+>>21939338
+I mean mrfitiate if you want, but what it’s going to take is action. Go get whatever supplies you need today or tomorrow and just start allocating time every morning or every night or whenever is optimal for you. It may never work out, but you’ll never know if you don’t put the effort in. And if you find something you can truly focus on, then whatever you do for a day job doesn’t really matter as long as it lets you paint or write, right?
+--- 21939436
+the left has gone insane
+--- 21939443
+anxiety is a cool word wasted on the lamest thing in the world
+--- 21939448
+>>21939443
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZbVHb2AA68 [Embed]
+--- 21939487
+My internal mental landscape has become severely disordered, especially the sexual components of it. I live a very solitary life and avoid intimacy and close contact when at all possible, but once I get horny I fantasize about all kinds of depraved shit and this leads me to seek out all kinds of depraved porn to watch. 
+I used to get a thrill out of finding something even more degenerate and taboo than what I last watched, but over time that disappeared and I'm left with a sexual urge and a detached observing consciousness that feels very little or no pleasure during all this. 
+I'm tired of this behavior and I wonder what I have to do to change my mental landscape and the direction of my urges so that sexual excitement and the feeling of disgust felt towards anything taboo or perverted become decoupled. Maybe someone like Jung wrote about it.
+--- 21939493
+>>21939487
+Stop watching porn and have actual sex (or whatever acts you want to willingly agree to with another human being in on the scene you're playing).
+--- 21939507
+>>21939493
+Yes, that's the obvious answer. What I've found though is that even if I go months without any sort of stimulus, the urges will lie in wait, so to speak, and as soon as I find myself in an environment conducive to using porn, I end up doing so. Even if porn didn't exist, the fact that the urges exist at all is against the way I want myself to be ordered.
+--- 21939508
+>>21939487
+That does sound like your shadow (according to C.G.Jung) going out of control because your life is so one dimensional - very solitary life and avoid intimacy and close contact when at all possible - therefore subconsciousness wants to compensate by going to the same extreme length.
+--- 21939510
+I have fully embraced antinatalism and my fate as the last member of this little and irrelevant bloodline.
+It is a surprisingly lonesome feel, but also so liberating. I have been struck by an incredible apathy and indifference towards everything. Any time I begin feeling something in my gut, anything resembling hope or indignation it is automatically crushed by a simple thought: what does it matter?
+I haven't gotten mad at anything for months now. Tragedies don't feel like they used to, they really feel like random meaningless events. All deaths around me, all births, all life just feels like looking at cells dividing in a petri dish. Meaningless chaos and noise.
+I have also understood that, if everything goes well, I will one day kill myself. When my parents are gone and age and loneliness get to me I will do it.
+I came into this world knowing nothing, and now what I know does not make me happy. I will leave this world old, alone and forgotten (in the best case scenario).
+I was very afraid of dying, but now I look forward to ceasing to exist. No more suffering, no more desire, no more evil, no one left behind to trudge through this mess.
+When I see new families walking in the streets I just don't know what to make of it. What was their rationale? Was there any thought put to it at all? How many of these kids are careless accidents or miscalculated risks? Where are all these people going? Are they going to be slaves of capitalism or religion? Are they going to become pawns of an ideology or political movement? How much damage will they endure and how much damage will they cause?
+I don't get it. I never will.
+--- 21939514
+I’m not the person I wish I was.
+--- 21939515
+>>21939514
+Whats the difference between the current you and the ideal you?
+--- 21939519
+>>21939507
+You're conditioning yourself to the environment. It's like smokers who have to smoke because they stepped out of a doorway to fresh air. 
+You're also probably letting it build to a more extreme point than it would if you used the lying in wait period to have sexy times.
+Decouple porn from the environmental opportunity and have sex.
+--- 21939549
+>>21939418
+What can I say, you're right. Thought without action is meaningless.
+--- 21939594
+>>21936727
+Peak burgerpunk
+--- 21939607
+>>21939515
+Certain personality traits, a certain history, talents, actions and undertakings.
+--- 21939618
+>>21939607
+what's your maxxed out character talent tree?
+--- 21939620
+>>21939618
+What?
+--- 21939632
+I feel like I’m so far behind at my age that I may as well give up. If I wanted to achieve my goals, I had to be getting after it at 25, not 30.
+--- 21939658
+I'm not upset about my boyfriend's ex girlfriend today. I am going on a date with my boyfriend.
+--- 21939662
+>>21939510
+Living like an ant, for the sole purpose of existing and thinking you are a great mind, above the mass in chase of meaning. Literal midwit take on life. Whenever I read shit like this I can imagine the either emaciated or extremely sausaged fingers belonging to the human mess who wrote it. Writing idiocy like this but probably also fake-smiling at people who don't respect them and treating their parents like trash in real life. You think you don't live yet you are covered in your own shitstains of fear for the real world. 
+
+If your emotions feel muddled, that's because you are depressed and not because you are a great philosopher you Anonymous smoothbrain.
+--- 21939677
+>tfw high painting white rabbits
+>tfw going to vaudeville recreation tonight
+idk guys this life decision making thing isn't so bad.
+--- 21939681
+>>21939662
+>Midwit take
+What is the high IQ take on life?
+--- 21939700
+What do you think of suicide because of the sense of lost time and thus lost potential?
+--- 21939705
+We could have been together.
+We could have had each other.
+
+We made our choices, from which we can't come back.
+I am not sure anymore whether it was love, or simply the need to be loved. 
+All that is left now is yearning.
+
+The worst punishment a human can experience is to the feeling of emptiness and missing someone that will never be in your life again.
+
+I suppose all we have now is the memories we made together. It was worth it.
+--- 21939708
+>>21939700
+Grandiose, it's basically a refusal to try if failure is a possible outcome.
+--- 21939709
+>>21939700
+Two things:
+1-You can do a lot of things with the time you have left. You can start today at this very moment and you will accomplish something.
+2-You will die anyway so of you kill yourself today it won't make absolutely any difference whatsoever.
+You're just procrastinating. So what will it be?
+--- 21939713
+>>21939705
+www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxA3Q96a8XE [Embed]
+--- 21939723
+>>21936699
+go on omegle and don't be ugly
+--- 21939739
+>>21939705
+>I suppose all we have now is the memories we made together. It was worth it.
+Cope for now and seethe later when you'll notice memories tend to depart when unsollicited. She'll tell you she erased your photos a long time ago next time you'll talk, if ever. It's depressing to write but the sooner you get that shock, the better, really. Relationships that are over are just wasted time. You'll maybe pick up one or two personality traits you liked in her but that's about it. Bitterness and regrets in the face of years wasted are the only things you'll carry on your way out of that shortened path. You can only have a few 'loves of your life' to spend years on. The learning experience there is not to spend your limited time on Earth with temporary girlfriends. Find someone who'll love you good and isn't some kind of grown up child using you for momentaty entertainment.
+--- 21939769
+>>21939708
+Okay, so what do you think about depression from lost time and thus lost potential?
+--- 21939777
+>>21939700
+>lost time 
+How did you lose time? Did a crazy opportunistic lesbian rapist kidnap you and force you to recount your seaside holidays?
+--- 21939783
+>>21939777
+Wasted time*
+--- 21939797
+>>21939769
+Lost potential doesn't exist. You didn't waste time, you spent it in a way that disappointed your expectations and don't want to recalibrate your expectations to reality. It's an entitlement issue, where you think potential was guaranteed and owed to you as an inevitable result. The alternative history you want to live in doesn't exist, and the actual potential future you don't want to engage in because you're going to choose to spend it on inertia and want to make out that wasn't your choice. Focus on the actual potential of the future, because the past has none now.
+--- 21939801
+>>21939783
+You never waste time, only spend it.
+--- 21939806
+>>21939797
+Are you saying that the potential for the future you have after wasting time is always the potential you were going to have?
+--- 21939811
+>>21939806
+It's the only potential left. That's how linear history works, and that's all we got until we work out the space time paradoxes of sci-fi time travel. Were you expecting a time machine?
+--- 21939814
+>>21939705
+>missing someone that will never be in your life again
+
+why are you being so dramatic and defeatist about this? if you had a disagreement that caused a break in the relationship then you can probably mend things through mutual effort. why sit around and mope and yearn for someone when you could take action to fix things instead? if she’s truly your soulmate then you owe it to her and yourself to give it a shot
+--- 21939815
+It's been tough feeling as if you're the secondary, NPC, character in everyone's world. The loneliness is crippling, but not due to lack of people itself, but because ultimately I feel unwanted and not significant -- I invite people, but never get the same treatment back. As soon as the initiative is halted, the contact dies on itself.
+--- 21939819
+>>21939801
+…sometimes on nothing particularly valuable it seems.
+--- 21939822
+>>21939658
+The fact that you *not* being upset about her today is so notable that you feel the need to mention it proves that she takes up massive amounts of your mental real-estate. Cringe.
+--- 21939826
+>>21937209
+Pridefullness
+--- 21939827
+>>21939811
+What if what’s left isn’t what they want? Tough shit, right?
+--- 21939828
+>>21939819
+Devaluing your choices will not stop you making them whatever they are.
+--- 21939832
+>>21939827
+Well, they could throw a tantrum but I don't think that will help besides the emotional catharsis a three year old might feel from being heard about feeling upset.
+--- 21939836
+>>21939828
+That’s true.
+--- 21939843
+>>21939832
+Well, there’s no tantrum. But it also doesn’t mean acceptance will help either.
+--- 21939864
+I have a remote job that asks me to do almost nothing. Literally, I have nothing at all to do most days. Somehow, I’m unhappier with my life than I’ve ever been. And I feel like I need to get unhappier. The way out is through.
+--- 21939875
+>>21939843
+It's up to you how you choose to spend your time and what you want to call it.
+--- 21939881
+>>21939864
+>I have a remote job that asks me to do almost nothing.
+I wish that could be me....
+--- 21939894
+>>21939843
+I’m so sick of your contant posts about regretting your lost potential. This is exactly the sort of whiny mindset that got you into this mess in the first place. Why waste time whining about how successful you could’ve been if you’d made different choices? Accept that what’s done cannot be undone and stop letting your regrets take over your whole life. You need to make the best of what time you still have left instead of wasting it being a self absorbed pussy. Maybe you can never have your ideal future, but with effort and focus you can still build a life for yourself that’s worth living. If you’ve commited some act of evil that’s burdening your conscience, ruined the lives of others through catastrophic failure, need to sacrifice yourself for a noble cause, or are in a state of unbearable pain then it seems reasonable to consider suicide. Wanting to kill yourself just because you regret your past choices and dislike the fact that you’re not as successful as you’d like to be is just wallowing in self pity and retardation. If you kill yourself over this you’ll be deliberately destroying all of the potential good and worthwhile futures that are still attainable to you. It would be the ultimate act of weakness and faggotry, and the ultimate waste.
+--- 21939896
+What does it feel like to be horny?
+
+My hands shake, I feel my heartbeat in my ears, and I am transported into another reality. 
+I think adrenaline shoots through my body. My legs feel weak, I lack balance. I can't think at all on anything that isn't fucking my hand to something I dream up in my head. I just want to continue digging deeper into this fantasy, taking it to new extremes as my battered penis tingles at new thoughts, new images, forming in my mind.
+It really feels like an euphoric high.This emotion is painfully inttense. A total disconnect between mind and body held only by a single thread: pleasure.
+ My muscles are aching, my mouth is dry.I can close this little box but I don't want to. I want to keep staring. I want to keep looking into it until my eyes burn away. Because with each second that passes I see deeper and deeper, and I wish to see to the very bottom of it.
+I feel evil. Unrepentantly merciless. I tune into the sensibilities of the Marquis De Sade. I allow myself to dream of sensory overload, of uncontrollable excesses, of a bleak reality in which there are no barriers of any sort left between me and naked desire.
+I dream impossible things. Bizarre events, blood curling scenarios.
+
+And that's how it feels to cum.
+--- 21939909
+>>21939894
+Not that anon but can one really let go of the past? Its not like a person you're not going to see again but rather a body odor.
+--- 21939911
+>>21939896
+I like it. Can you write a novel and send it to me?
+--- 21939918
+>>21939909
+You can’t let go of the past completely, and everyone has regrets. But wallowing in faggotry and insisting that the rest of your life is worthless is definitely a choice, and a pathetic one.
+--- 21939959
+>>21939918
+I think I know whats going on with me. No future prospects and miserable current moment is the ball of the highest class for past regrets and doubts, like those sweet and innocent thoughts saying why bother with anything, you know what happened when you tried.
+--- 21939980
+I made a big boy adventure into town today! I am an adult, I do errands!
+--- 21939982
+>>21939980
+What was the scariest part of the experience?
+--- 21940008
+>>21935657 (OP)
+I want to post a thread asking for books with genuine literary value but with characters with big tiddies, but I'm trying to give up porn, but I'm still curious.
+--- 21940011
+>>21939104
+I'm still coming for you. I get closer everyday. Your tight little ass hole will be mine. This is the result of your blogposting. You will be looking over your shoulder for the rest of your life.
+--- 21940020
+>>21939982
+There were two. First, I thanked the waitress too many times and she found it weird. Second, when I got on the bus to go home, it was full, and while deciding whether I was making a social error by trying to cram into the bus, the bus lady yelled at me. But then when I got off the bus I found a penny and saw a goose.
+--- 21940045
+>>21939982
+The black people
+--- 21940058
+>>21939896
+Your description of the physical and psychological processes of sexual arousal and orgasm are detailed and visceral. Have you ever considered writing transgressive fiction? The pathological element of what you describe strongly reminded me of this personality description in the book that I’m reading right now.
+--- 21940062
+>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffQ2vmf0ugo [Embed]
+hell ya weekend time to take it easy and slack off don't have to do shit for 48 hours.
+--- 21940088
+>>21939959
+You have no idea what’s going on with you and zero insight into yourself. Your very insistence that you are miserable and have no future prospects is a narrative you’ve constructed as a product of your weak and self-pitying mindset, not an objective truth. Regretting the past implies that you acted badly or didn’t try as hard as you should’ve back then. If you actually tried your best in the past, then the resulting negative outcome was a product of external factors, not of your own lack of effort. The fact is that much of life is out of your control, and you have to accept that. Tough shit. Sometimes you don’t get what you want, but whining about it and deciding to stop trying is an utterly childish and faggoty way to respond. All you can do is take control of yourself and your own actions to maximize your future potential and avoid wasting any more time. Grow up and stop being such a fucking pussy.
+--- 21940097
+>>21940088
+I think regret implies that the outcome was the result of your own actions and not fate, but that’s often only clear in retrospect.
+--- 21940136
+>>21940097
+The 
+>why bother with anything, you know what happened when you tried
+
+was what I was referring to. If you tried your best in the past, then the negative outcome was not due to a simple lack of effort on your part. Even if you realize in retrospect that your past actions were a mistake that contributed to or caused the negative outcome, that doesn’t change anything, because you didn’t have that knowledge at the time and so you couldn’t have known better or acted any differently. Back then, you did the best that you could with the knowledge, experiences and resources that were available to you, which is the best that anyone can do. Now that you do know better, you are capable of acting differently. Instead of wallowing, try to learn from your past mistakes and apply those lessons when making decisions now.
+--- 21940200
+>>21940088
+>>21940136
+Do you really think that regret coming from a place where you tried your best and where you didnt, is the same? If anything, trying and failing is more painful as you realize that your desire and willpower is nothing, it doesnt mean shit in the eyes of the world or perhaps destiny or God. Even if I know that feeling sad or angry wont change a bit, not a even a second of past, I still feel it and become angry at myself because according to you, I shouldnt feel anything and only look to the future.
+--- 21940219
+>>21940136
+Yeah. Fair point. I think the other type where you perhaps didn’t try because you were unsure or lacked confidence or some other reason or where you tried but in the wrong way is trickier because hindsight is 20/20 but no one has foresight. It’s hard to tell when something is going to be too late until it’s too late.
+--- 21940225
+>>21940200
+I have to disagree with you. I think if you can say you acted right and things didn’t work out in your favor, then it was simply something out of your control and that opens the door wider to self forgiveness. In my mind, it’s easier to forgive yourself because something just was the way it was than to forgive yourself for something being the way you made it be.
+--- 21940248
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN4w8e432_o [Embed]
+great documentary
+terrible, but also fascinating
+--- 21940252
+>>21940200
+You’re such a whiny idiot that no amount of reasoning can get through to you because of your stubbornly retarded mindset. I never said that you shouldn’t feel anything, it’s natural to be disappointed and depressed for a time after you fail or lose out on something that you really wanted. You don’t have complete control over your feelings, but you do have some control over how you act in response to those feelings, which is enough for you to try to think differently and change things. Wallowing in misery forever is where the problem lies: you don’t take action because you are sad about the past and feel like you can’t change anything, but your apathetic moping reinforces those feelings and makes it a cycle of failure. That’s why you need to look towards the future, to break the cycle and take control over the things that you still can change. You’ll never forget the pain of the past entirely, but see it as a lesson and try to direct it towards acting differently from now on
+--- 21940276
+>>21940225
+I think that forgiveness is the key but I cannot forgive myself for making every major decision wrong. Its like this moping and self-pitying is the punishment for it. 
+>>21940252
+You are right.
+--- 21940313
+>>21940252
+I think there’s a disconnect when a person feels like they’re in a race, but they didn’t know it. So when they look up and they realize they stumbled, or they ran in the wrong direction, or they didn’t move because they didn’t know which race they were supposed to run, it can feel like it’s not worth racing anymore because what they really wanted was to win. The question is if they can still win.
+--- 21940315
+>>21940219
+Yeah. But it’s also easy to convince yourself that it’s too late when in reality you still have the power to partially remedy some of your past mistakes by approaching the situation a second time armed with your new knowledge and experience. “Why bother? It’s too late now” is a convenient excuse that too often lets you avoid the risk of failure, and gives you a justification to run away from your past mistakes instead of confronting them.
+--- 21940325
+Went to college and didn't undertood anything, network or made friends kekeke JUST fuck my shit up 先輩たち
+--- 21940331
+>>21940315
+I’m not sure if all regrets come with new knowledge. Sometimes they’re just regrets.
+--- 21940334
+>>21940313
+Maybe they failed to get a head start and can’t win, but it’s better to come in 50th out of 100 than to keep lagging behind and stay in last place or just stop running and give up on the race all together. place than place. Also, life isn’t a race or a situation where one outcome means winning and every other outcome means losing. Maybe you can never achieve fame or wealth, but you still build a worthwhile life that you can learn to be happy with.
+--- 21940337
+>>21940325
+>didnt like the course
+>never made any connections
+>never made any job experience/internships
+>did not enjoy the whole experience
+JUST
+--- 21940341
+>>21940331
+There’s something to be learned from virtually every experience, and if you can’t see it immediately then it may be due to personal involvement that prevents you from having insight into the bigger picture. What regrets do you have that you don’t think came with any new knowledge?
+--- 21940347
+>>21940325
+I don’t think anyone really cares about college anymore, dude. Did you know these undergraduates consider “success” an 6 year graduation rate and only half make it? Did you know they keep graduate students for as many as 8 years? Everyone understands it’s a joke, that the only reason anyone goes is because they think they have to for a job. Even the so-called elite institutions have crumbling reputations among the public. So in 50 years probably no one will care what you studied, where you studied, how you studied, or any of it. It will be like reading the private education of some medieval in so and so bishopric. It‘ll mean nothing tangible to anyone. So you shouldn’t care all that much.
+--- 21940350
+>>21940334
+Is it though? Some people want to win and they won’t be satisfied with anything else. I agree, that the only sensible option is to start sprinting and remind themselves that if they just keep accelerating they can overtake anyone. But you can understand the feeling of hopelessness surely.
+--- 21940355
+>>21940334
+Whether something is worthwhile is subjective. A worthwhile life to one person might not be worthwhile to another.
+--- 21940368
+>>21940341
+I’m just thinking about this in the abstract. One thing I’ve had regret about is not having much direction when I was younger. I’m not sure what I could’ve done about that because it simply took me time to really get out of the gravitational pull of my upbringing and environment to expose myself to enough things and find something. I was jealous of people that had direction while they were young for a long time. There’s also not doing things which at the time you think don’t make sense but then when you get older you wish you had done because they would be beneficial for where you’re at now. That’s another hard one because you can’t learn to suspect a thing might make sense later even if it doesn’t now.
+--- 21940381
+>>21940341
+>>21940368
+I can illustrate the example better. I’m at a stage of my life where I want to do some thing. I can do that thing, maybe, but it would’ve been exponentially better for me to have done another thing a long time ago in order for me to do this thing. But a long time ago, I didn’t think I’d ever want to do this thing. So what can you learn from that? It wouldn’t be smart to say “Oh, well I might want to do this one specific thing in the future so I have to do this other thing to plan for that.” That’s just not really how it works. So I don’t know what you take away from that for the future.
+--- 21940388
+>>21940355
+Don’t be so obtuse. My whole point is that your beliefs about life and success
+are subjective truths, not objective realities. This includes your belief that your life is not worthwhile. You can work to actively change your mindset, but you refuse. 
+
+>>21940350
+Part of life is maturing and realizing that you can’t always get what you want, and that in order to move on you need to learn to be satisfied and make the best of what you have. Also, like I said, life isn’t a race that can be won or lost, so the analogy is fundamentally absurd. Different people have different definitions of the good life, and there are multiple sources of happiness and fulfillment that you probably don’t even know are possible because you haven’t made a concerted effort to engage with the world differently and experience new things. The only loss is refusing to face reality and choosing to waste your life mourning an unattainable goal.
+--- 21940399
+>>21939104
+>the author
+was it all fake?
+--- 21940404
+>>21940058
+What book is that, anon?
+--- 21940518
+>>21940388
+I have a counterpoint to make but I think I’d have to get a little personal to make it and this isn’t a therapy session. So I’ll just say that I agree with what you said and I don’t agree with what you said.
+--- 21940577
+>>21940518
+Go ahead and make you’re counterpoint if you’d like. I’m interested in hearing about your personal experience.
+--- 21940581
+I cant fall asleep and its already 3 am. 3 fucking hours of tossing and turning.
+--- 21940583
+>>21940577
+*your counterpoint, autocorrect hates me
+--- 21940588
+>get sad
+>want to stuff my belly full of garbage
+Only reason I'm not fat is because I'm poor as fuck. As soon as I get a job I will become a fatso
+--- 21940696
+>>21940404
+your diary desu
+--- 21940734
+I hate simps. I've seen them all the time. They tolerate their women and then to get out of that anger they larp and become a menace in society.
+--- 21940738
+>>21940518
+I did write it out, but I realized it read more like a gut spill than a counterpoint so I deleted it. I would just ask if you suppose someone should accept that “you can’t always have what you want” in cases where what they can’t have is the only thing they want.
+--- 21940751
+In Heaven, you play games and have fun.
+--- 21940752
+>>21940738
+Meant for >>21940577
+--- 21940820
+I just realized how boring my life has been. Even on paper this thing is a fucking snooze fest.
+--- 21940835
+lil wayne reaches the heights of the sublime
+--- 21940895
+> 18-24: go to college
+> 24-26: live at home, so some internships, short term jobs
+> 26-28: work at the exact same college 
+> 28-30: work at the exact same college but remotely so live at home 
+What an incredible life. Why shouldn’t I kill myself again?
+--- 21940897
+Down with Western civilization, up with difference and abnormality.
+--- 21940932
+>>21940895
+
+Without going out the door, 
+ Know the world. 
+Without peeping through the window, 
+ See heaven's Tao. 
+The further you travel,
+ The less you know.
+This is why the Sage 
+ Knows without budging,
+ Identifies without looking,
+ Does without trying.
+--- 21940948
+>>21940738
+I’d have to know what the only thing that you want is in order to answer that question.
+--- 21941042
+>>21940948
+I don’t see why it would matter though. It’s more of a philosophical question than anything.
+--- 21941116
+At what age do you think you should just forget about going back to school?
+--- 21941121
+I'll never get Hikkis/NEETs who don't throw out their garbage or water bottles. How the fuck do you live with the filth?
+--- 21941125
+>>21941116
+some dude at my work did his masters at 70+ and then retired like two years later lmao he just did it cuz work was paying for it tho and he wasn't gonna leave money on the table
+--- 21941128
+recently got totally cut off by a girl I thought was the love of my life, all because I couldn't help but be a fucking schizo. I fucking hate myself so much
+--- 21941146
+>mind's eye
+nigga just say mind
+--- 21941162
+>>21935657 (OP)
+Needs more votes
+
+https://strawpoll.com/polls/wAg3Awzwoy8
+--- 21941231
+I feel I could teach a small writing class on a board and that it would benefit anons, but I don’t think anyone would give a shit
+--- 21941244
+It's time for a drastic change in my life
+--- 21941272
+Lately I've been picking up whatever philosophy books I see at the thrift store. So far it's one general history of philosophy, four books of Nietzsche, and Anti-Oedipus. I've never read philosophy so I asked AI what to read and it suggested to start with Beyond Good and Evil. Is that good advice?
+--- 21941275
+>>21941162
+I could vote multiple times iif you want
+--- 21941277
+>>21941272
+>the ai is a midwit
+Lmao
+--- 21941278
+>>21941116
+18
+--- 21941281
+>>21940895
+Why don't you make friends and do something withyour life outside of work
+--- 21941305
+>>21941125
+So what do you think it is if work’s not paying for it and it’s for a career change?
+--- 21941351
+I think my friends are very judgmental and not great to be around - which is a rough realisation to come to after being friends with them for 15+ years.
+--- 21941369
+My housemate doesn't do ANYTHING. He never leaves the house even on the weekends and it drives me nuts.
+--- 21941372
+>>21941116
+The 21st century is a good place to start
+--- 21941392
+Next thread
+
+>>21941390 →
+>>21941390 →
+>>21941390 →
+
+>>21941390 →
+>>21941390 →
+>>21941390 →

lit/21935696.txt

@@ -30,3 +30,24 @@ Delete this photo of me
 --- 21937359
 >>21936580
 Looks like he's in his 50s. I'd kill myself if I looked like that.
+--- 21938864
+>>21937337
+Sorry. Working on it.
+--- 21939071
+>>21937359
+You might have autism
+--- 21939200
+this guy's writing style is unbearable.
+--- 21940153
+>>21939200
+Why?
+
+(Excuse the shitty translation, I just threw it through Google Translate and swapped out a few words.)
+--- 21941558
+>>21935696 (OP)
+>I am the stoic unfeeling Nordic intellectual man. My insights are cool and calculated, profound and detailed. The precision with which I forensically detail the spirit is that of a coroner. Can't you read the dispassionate distance on my face? 
+
+Lol queer.
+--- 21941669
+>>21939071
+I know an autist and he looks like >>21935696 (OP)

lit/21936130.txt

@@ -58,3 +58,88 @@ Synopsis?
 >>21938029
 >The book is probably too spicy for you
 The reason that i disliked it hasn't anything to do with its content, in fact, the spicier it gets the better
+--- 21938420
+>>21936130 (OP)
+Ada or ardor if you like the weird underage girl sex stuff written by Nabokov.
+--- 21938424
+>>21938420
+Lolita is not even about the sex
+The sex is specifically the parts that the author skips over
+--- 21938528
+>>21936130 (OP)
+Nothing fancy or spectacular, but it's okay and an enjoyable read.
+--- 21938638
+>>21938528
+imagine reading this in the subway
+--- 21938854
+>>21938528
+Is her family name "nutting" for real?
+--- 21938870
+>>21938528
+She looks like this btw. Imagine knowing that your milf English professor has written a book about fucking little boys.
+--- 21939008
+Is there a Lolita equivalent for bestiality or do I have to write it myself?
+--- 21939027
+>>21939008
+Fuck off
+--- 21939129
+>>21936262
+WARNING!
+
+this book is even more sad than lolita
+read with caution
+--- 21939196
+>>21939129
+Oh
+I haven't read it yet but was going to read it after Lolita
+--- 21939213
+>>21939196
+id say its better than lolita at some things
+having the girl be the protagonist offers a unique perspective on her situation and her relationship with the older man
+but of course the writing itself doesnt even come close nabokov
+
+its also a lot more erotic than lolita
+--- 21939217
+anything by eliot, pound or faulkner
+--- 21939583
+>>21939027
+Filtered
+--- 21939604
+>>21939583
+You were filtered out of the gene pool
+--- 21940254
+>>21937960
+no it doesn't
+--- 21940335
+>>21940254
+Lot*
+--- 21940351
+>>21939008
+Write it yourself, sis
+--- 21940361
+>>21940254
+You clearly don't know shit about the bible
+Go read original kjv
+--- 21940372
+>>21937840
+>you're a pedo
+>you're a little kid
+what did he mean by this
+--- 21941032
+>>21939008
+STOLEN , STOLEN POST , MODS , JANNIES
+--- 21941389
+Penguin knew what they wuz doin' with that cover.
+They knew.
+--- 21941803
+>>21936130 (OP)
+when I was going through puberty I jerked off to this cover
+--- 21941823
+>>21936130 (OP)
+Off topic, but where can I get the Humbert Humbert cover? You know... that disturbing one...
+--- 21941828
+>>21941823
+I think that wasn't actually put into production.
+It was just making a point.
+
+But yeah, it is the cover that makes the most sense and fits what the author was going for.

lit/21936142.txt

@@ -57,3 +57,40 @@ Oh yeah milky milky baby
 >sits, huffing the stench
 >stench now nests in nosehairs
 Consequences,
+--- 21938779
+>>21936142 (OP)
+Not good. Shoehorned commie sympathizing from steinbeck. I care more about how blatant the politics are rather than the content themselves. I also hate reading books where the dialogue is spelled how its said, it totally ruins the flow of my reading
+--- 21939136
+>>21938779
+The nation was majority socialist back then. This wasn’t shoehorning. Capitalism had collapsed and people where joining socialist organizations in droves. We weren’t all dumb 1950s cucks scared of the red menace, you CIA fed grub of person
+--- 21939165
+i'm reading it right now after not reading it when it was assigned in school. it's a slog. i enjoyed every steinbeck book before grapes of wrath so i thought i would like this one too but the "interludes" between the meat of the book are boring for the most part.
+>>21939136
+people weren't proper socialists like in the sense that they read theory and shit but yeah. some people don't realize that the new deal was a means of pacifying the growing militant labor/socialist movement.
+--- 21939326
+>>21939165
+True enough.
+--- 21939327
+much preferred The Bananas of Greed
+--- 21940523
+>>21939327
+for me, it the cantaloupes of lust :^)
+--- 21940972
+>>21940523
+peppers of pride
+--- 21941084
+>>21937377
+Newfag.
+--- 21941217
+>>21937164
+wait till ai/automation wipes out 80% of jobs like already projected 
+people wont be starving, but the quality of life will drop like a pajeet turd on a dedicated shitting street - it will get really ugly
+--- 21941316
+Boring and didn't see the point of continuing with trying to read it to the end.
+
+The movie was literally better. The book had serious pacing issues.
+--- 21941324
+>>21940972
+Kiwis of sloth
+--- 21941367
+Pretty cool band.

lit/21936174.txt

@@ -93,3 +93,87 @@ I just skipped it after like the 5th page kek its not rocket science
 --- 21938094
 >>21937548
 Yeah I'm thinking this is kek and keyed
+--- 21938324
+>>21936174 (OP)
+That's the best part.
+--- 21938355
+>Odysseus is in disguise and some guy asks him who he is
+>"Nigga, grab a chair for I am now about to tell you my life story. My name is Faker H. Liarson and I come from the distant island of Notonanymap..."
+--- 21938394
+>spinoff is better than the original story 
+Many such cases
+--- 21938622
+>>21936281
+You should try challenging yourself and carrying on if you liked it, perhaps make some quick notes so you can follow it better. Fagles' translation is pretty easy to read and makes it more bombastic and entertaining.
+--- 21938632
+>>21938355
+When you read academic notes you realise a lot of ancient texts are full of silly puns, I love it. Frederick Ahl's translator's note to his Aeneid shits on modern critics who think wordplay isn't dignified and points out that drama and humour were commonly combined in Roman and Greek writing.
+--- 21938640
+>>21938394
+That's a direct sequel. The Aeneid would be the spin-off. There's also the missing epics of the Trojan cycle that fill in the rest of the war, luckily we have ancient synopses of them so we know the basic story, but the actual poems are gone.
+--- 21938890
+>>21938640
+>direct sequel
+No. There was at least 1 poem in between the iliad and Odyssey
+--- 21938892
+>>21938890
+Not in Homer's time, but the mythic material obviously existed already.
+--- 21938989
+>>21936174 (OP)
+Which translation of the Odyssey should I read?
+I read Fitzgerald's Iliad
+--- 21938990
+>>21936229
+I unironically made a list of all the captains THOUGH which does help to keep track of characters
+--- 21939065
+>>21936174 (OP)
+looks like you got HOMER'D my friend
+--- 21939382
+>>21938989
+Lattimore is the patrician's choice.
+--- 21939393
+>>21939382
+I prefer Lattimore's Illiad but I prefer Fitzgerald's Odyssey and I don't know why
+--- 21939603
+High schoolers shouldn't read this shit. 99% of people who have to read this get absolutely nothing out of it because for some passages they have trouble even parsing the word choice.
+>erm but what about Teddy Roosevelt/ other old timey important person who read all the classics when they were 12
+They actually learned the other languages back then, so they could comprehend the works in their original prose and tempo instead of these autistic English translations which, from a modern high schoolers perspective, are just deliberately obtuse.
+--- 21939610
+>>21938394
+The Better Call Saul of Ancient Greece
+--- 21940650
+Everyone in this book is dead now ;(
+--- 21940685
+>>21939603
+>we should lower our standards because in the past standards were even higher
+Uhhhhh
+--- 21940887
+>>21940650
+but its fiction
+--- 21940938
+>>21939603
+People need to stop fetishizing old translations. English has changed considerably in the last century, and dense writing from today would be similarly inscrutable to casual 19th century readers.
+Of course the utterly tripe translations written by academics who despise Western civilization are not the answer either.
+--- 21940958
+>>21939393
+>and I don't know why
+Well you should probably determine why
+--- 21941081
+>>21940650
+not the gods
+--- 21941206
+>>21937690
+Lmao get off the internet
+--- 21941476
+>>21937690
+ok boomer
+--- 21941485
+You have to take that section in the context of the time and place. That section was told to hundreds of people and probably written to hype them up. It's different for us when we have no clue where the fuck any of these places are or who they are or whatever. Imagine you're sitting around listening to the story being told and you hear them mention Pythia, or Agamemnon being from Mycenae, Ajax from Salamis, etc. Suddenly a bunch of drunk guys are cheering because a local place's local hero got mentioned in the story. It was just a way to bring the story to life to the people who were actually listening to it at the time.
+--- 21941512
+how can someone have such abysmal taste? the catalogue is a thing of beauty.
+--- 21941833
+>>21941512
+>why yes homer this list of people and ships is the pinnacle of human achievement
+--- 21941837
+>>21936174 (OP)
+Oh no imagine just flipping ahead 5 pages instead

lit/21936219.txt

@@ -10,3 +10,45 @@ Homer is impossible to understand until he is contrasted with later Greek though
 Evola had a thesis before he read the books and then he forced it into the texts.
 --- 21937660
 Why do you insist on making everything so boring?
+--- 21938885
+>>21936219 (OP)
+>The Goblet of Fire for Incels lol
+--- 21938904
+You need to have both a high IQ and a spiritually inclined mind to read Evola, go back to something fit for the puny hylics you are.
+--- 21940274
+>>21938885
+>implying that in current year 2023 The Goblet of Fire isn't The Goblet of Fire for incels
+--- 21940349
+>>21937108
+this
+--- 21940357
+>>21936240
+How do you mean
+--- 21940365
+>>21940357
+NTA but read Roberto Calasso's The Marriage of Cadmus and Harmony.
+--- 21940400
+>>21940357
+The proper interpretation of homer is acknowledging that he didn't write anything esoteric. Pretending he did is a larp from people who haven't even read book two of Republic or compared Homer's depictions of the gods with The Bacchae.
+--- 21940676
+>>21936219 (OP)
+I try to understand the introduction and explanatory notes before going over the work itself. Isn't that enough?
+--- 21940686
+>>21940400
+>he didn't write anything esoteric
+Retroactively refuted by Porphyry (pbuh)
+--- 21940723
+>>21940686
+How about explaining why instead of appealing to authority?
+--- 21940873
+>>21936219 (OP)
+They are fighting 2000+ years of christwashing. Yes materialism/atheism in the modern context is a branch of the poisoned tree. I think you have to expose yourself to thinkers who are explicitly, vehemently anti-Christian, yet not Satanic (which is yet another branch of the same tree). Sources of information like this are very few and far between. The culture was raped and reprogrammed specifically for purposes of political control.
+--- 21941051
+>>21938885
+>>21940274
+>unironically using the term 'incel'
+You're worse than the people you're deriding.
+--- 21941055
+>>21941051
+>>unironically using the term 'incel'
+How do you know I'm using it unironically?

lit/21936278.txt

@@ -116,3 +116,94 @@ t. German
 >>21936904
 >You don't need to 'study' grammar. You've never studied grammar in your native language in the same way a tutor will attempt to do for your target language.
 Is this true
+--- 21938115
+>>21936845
+Really? Isn't it the most fucked up of the latins languages? It's my maternal language so idk but I learned spanish and english and both make way more sense, usually
+--- 21938121
+>>21938115
+Reading is not so hard but French speaking is a hard mess compared to Spanish or Italian. French learners really have to put in the time. See: >>21936872
+--- 21938158
+>>21938121
+>Reading is not so hard
+I got filtered by Montaigne's Essais...in my own language...how retarded I am, anons, be honest
+
+Yes I agree, pronunciation is the worst when you compare to Spanish were it make sense, you pronounce like you write it
+--- 21938168
+>>21938158
+>I got filtered by Montaigne's Essais...in my own language...how retarded I am, anons, be honest
+To be fair, it's written in 16th century French. Even Anglos sometimes struggle with Shakespeare (especially the younger ones) but Montaigne is prose (denser, content wise) and sometimes it gets a bit philosophical. Even in translation there were parts where I had to re-read his sentences thinking "what is he talking about?" (not always of course). I don't think you should feel bad.
+--- 21938199
+>>21936278 (OP)
+>nonfiction in a subject you're very familiar with in French
+You have to think in the target language without mediation, without internal monologue code switching back to your mother tongue. This facilitates that.
+--- 21938208
+>>21938168
+>I had to re-read his sentences thinking "what is he talking about?" 
+That's me for every chapter of his book. The way he structures his argumentation absolutely confuses me. He starts with one idea, gives a more or less related personal experience, starts expanding on concepts related to this experience even if it seems unrelated, then go back to the original idea and makes some sort of conclusion which start making sense when you re-read it for the fifth time...feel like he randomly sperg out but it's in fact related, in a weird but still logical way
+--- 21938295
+>>21937065
+Look at this retard
+--- 21938896
+>>21936830
+What is your level of Mandarin?
+--- 21938996
+>>21937334
+I don't think there's any grammatical influence of french on english. It rather resembles the grammar or nordic languages, which is also quite analytic (with maybe a briton substrate). German is the exception among germanic languages, for some reason it stayed very synthetic while the others became analytic (except icelandic).
+Anyway english grammar doesn't feel natural for french speakers, unlike those of romance languages which are transparent
+t. French
+--- 21939158
+>>21936278 (OP)
+As someone who has been trying to learn french for awhile I feel like people who say they've learned it in a couple of months are straight up lying or are seriously over-estimating their abilities. I went through some grammer books over the course of the pandemic, joined a french conversation club, and outside of pre-structured phrases I sounded like a little kid. I wasn't even the worst person in the group, but I think to understand and speak french to the same level as a well read english person takes years. Maybe if you go full immersion it's different but I wouldn't expect most people to completely stop reading english books or viewing english media while not living in their target country.
+--- 21939711
+>>21936278 (OP)
+I am learning Japanese, but also french on the side. I find that French is completely easy in comparison it's basically like funny sounding english.
+
+My strategy is to meme french. This is the /lit/ board so I know that you will actually be willing to buy books, so my advice would be 
+- 
+
+-to buy a French - English picture dictionary and read through it. After this, if you memorize every word in the book you'll have 6000ish words under your belt which is like a 10th of what you need to know to be fluent.
+
+-Get an Anki flashcard deck online of the 5000 most common words and just do that every day.
+
+-Read books in french but don't pay too much attention to what you don't know, just take it in.
+
+One thing the Japanese community likes to spout is something called "comprehensive input" and basically what that means is that you brain automatically puts things together and you don't have to grind too much, but you should be consistently taking in information at a pace where things begin to slightly make a little more sense.
+
+All you really need to do is get some R.L. Stine level books, read through them as if they were english. Look up anything that strikes your interest (not every single word just words you want to know) and eventually you will begin to automatically grasp the language.
+
+While this may not be the 100% fastest way (the fastest way would probably involve intense flashcard grinding) It's the best way for your brain, because if you cram the language you'll forget a lot, but if you learn at a leisurely pace, and learn things that you actually want to learn, you'll automatically assimilate the language, as well as attribute positivity to the language. Your language learning should be enjoyable.
+--- 21939727
+>>21939711
+>buy a French - English picture dictionary
+any recs? I googled it and I mostly got baby shit
+--- 21940231
+>>21938896
+i dont know for sure because i dont really record words/characters known like some people do. im around low-mid b1 based on the cefr
+--- 21940371
+>>21939158
+Took me around 8 years to get to a c1 level - two of those years were spent living and working in France. The truth is you never stop learning. I'm reading Céline's "Mort à credit" and around 20 words per page are completely unknown to me. Context helps work out the meaning and I'm having a blast reading it, but there is always something new and difficult out there. "You can learn in a couple of months" is a bit of a meme; yes, you will learn something in 2 months but it takes forever to git gud
+--- 21940444
+>>21940371
+the weird distortions of syntax in later Céline is what really throws me for a loop. I can typically understand the meaning in a hazy way, but I probably couldn't untangle it for a coherent explanation to someone else.
+
+but yeah, to >>21939158 I think a lot of internet "polyglots" are seriously overestimating their skills, and this idea that language learning is a matter of months rather than years of often tedious work just sets people up for failure.
+--- 21940495
+>>21939158
+>Maybe if you go full immersion it's different but I wouldn't expect most people to completely stop reading english books or viewing english media while not living in their target country.
+Well it's not really fair to drop English books completely as a rule but it's more that the guys who are promoting these methods are also actively using their languages for more than 2-3 hours a day so they just don't have the time to do anything else
+For example Matt vs Japan thinks that someone who studies Japanese for 1 hour each day is just never going to make it no matter how many years that person studies
+--- 21941133
+>>21936854
+>Ne vous arrêtez pas au mois de novembre ou décembre.
+You got me there
+--- 21941151
+>>21937222
+Have a link for the full book?
+--- 21941652
+What are some good
+Beginner
+Early intermediate 
+Advanced intermediate 
+And advanced french novels? Or any type of book?
+--- 21941804
+>>21936904

lit/21936350.txt

@@ -9,3 +9,65 @@ No wonder his philosophy sucks
 All of the pre-Socratics were retards except Pythagoras, and his achievements were only assigned to him by tradition rather than Ctusl history anyway.
 --- 21938080
 how can mirrors be real if our eyes aren’t real
+--- 21938101
+I like Plato but Parmenides filtered me fucking hard. It's like 90 pages of "if the one part is in accord with the many, the characteristics of the many are in turn presupposed to be reflections of the unity of their pre-existing oneness"
+
+It's really pointlessly dense considering Plato already shows he has a very practical and artistic mind in his other dialogues.
+--- 21938401
+"move" is a bad word, "change" is more fitting
+seems like in essence you are still asking nothing less than 'why is there Maya in the first place?', or 'does Maya have an essence?' or is illusion an illusion?
+--- 21938460
+>>21938401
+from whence illusion?
+--- 21938764
+>>21938460
+The poem 'on nature' by Parmenides of Elea does not survive fully intact so it's hard to say but a pretty reasonable assumption is that he regarded the illusion as being dependent on or caused/sustained by the One in some way.
+--- 21939083
+>>21936350 (OP)
+>The entity of perception exists in some way, no, so how is it accounted for?
+He just bites the bullet and denies that anything other than the One exists, including us. But isn't that a reductio ad absurdum of his position, I hear you asking? Absolutely. But he is still a gigachad for sacrificing sanity for consistency.
+--- 21939121
+>>21938460
+>from whence
+Can anyone help me here. Doesn't "whence" include the "from" implicitly? Can't you just say
+>whence illusion
+or would that be incorrect? Are they both correct?
+--- 21939804
+bump
+--- 21939831
+>>21939121
+>whence illusion
+This is how it originally worked, but the redundant "from whence" arose later as acceptable, probably around the time the word was dying out though. Personally I find the redundant form cringe but it's not really wrong per se.
+--- 21939839
+It’s okay you don’t have to read any of the presocratics since Kant showed that metaphysics is impossible.
+--- 21939914
+>>21939831
+thank you
+--- 21939993
+>>21939839
+>Show metaphysics is impossible
+>using an outdated logic, an incorrect view of math, and a refuted view of space and physics
+I- I kneel
+--- 21940387
+>>21936350 (OP)
+
+
+Perception is what is between apprehension, and understanding, akin to how form is what is between appearance, and essence, and noema: between notion, and numen.
+--- 21940402
+>>21936350 (OP)
+Parmenides is the most obtuse and hard to understand philosopher of all time and so is Plato's dialogue about him. Good luck trying to figure him out.
+--- 21941194
+>>21936350 (OP)
+>>21940402
+Parmendies is extremely easy and you are probably already familiar with the dialogue's main points through Christianity even if you don't know it.
+
+>visceral, physical world = not real and fleeting
+>the One/ afterlife = eternal and unchanging
+
+That's it. That is the dialogues main takeaway.
+--- 21941283
+>>21939993
+These points are irrelevant because, if anything, science and math have become even more conditioned in their relation to objects of knowledge instead of less. Hasn’t quantum physics proved more than anything that we can’t overcome our instrumentation and that reflections of reason at the limits of thought and experience have equal opportunity to be confirmed or denied?
+--- 21941396
+>>21936350 (OP)
+He was trolling.

lit/21936524.txt

@@ -13,3 +13,60 @@ bump
 --- 21937655
 >>21936524 (OP)
 He'll show the guy fear by reminding him of his mortality--the inescapable fact that you'll eventually be reduced to a handful of dust. It's a very cold line
+--- 21938574
+Eliot tells you in the epigraph exactly what the poem is about: the Cumean Sybil, a being who made a Faustian bargain for eternal life without eternal youth, withered and knurled wishes finally to die but can't. It is a poem about decay. But where Prufrock was the portrait of the decay of an individual life, The Wasteland is a portrait of the decay of an entire society, an entire civilisation. A society that has grown old without dying. Europe had committed its ‘awful daring of a moment’s surrender which an age of prudence can never retract’, its confidence, nobility, and naïve civility died in the trenches of Verdun and on the fields of Passchendaele, leaving behind nothing but shades: a cold rational society that is merely soberly carrying on. 
+The staza in question:
+>And I will show you something different from either
+>Your shadow at morning striding behind you
+>Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
+>I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
+The shadow and day are clearly a metaphor for life. The shadow in the morning is the anxieties of youth and the life ahead; the shadows rising in the evening are the anxieties of old age, of death and reflection on the life lived. Eliot is instead invoking an anxiety different from either: the fear of a life with has no future or no past, of something that is still, of dust. Stagnation, decay, sertility, dust. A contemporary Sybil. Most of the images of the poem invoke this is some way: of the parallel portrait of London as limbo with elysian shades; of a bar with a last call that never seems to come; of a passionless affair which ends exactly as it begins; of a stygian Thames littered with pale corpses—‘he who was living is now dead, we who were living are now dying, with a little patience’. 
+Perhaps that’s why April is the cruelest month: because it is the stirring of new life in a world that has lost its life, the elan vitae of nature which foils the sterile world of man. ‘I came back from the hyacinth garden late […] and I could not speak, and my eyes failed, and I was neither living nor dead’. Perhaps it is the fear of what may grow within the wasteland of western life, 'The boat responded Gaily, to the hand expert with sail and oar. The sea was calm, your heart would have responded Gaily, when invited, beating obedient To controlling hands', 'aethereal rumours Revive for a moment a broken Coriolanus'
+Perhaps too the intertextuality of the poem is a testament to the limbo of modern society: the words of the dead, the ‘canon’ ringing through images of contemporary decay and stagnation, only the past, only fragments. The reminders of a productive world past, shades walking among the living dead.
+>Falling towers
+>Jerusalem Athens Alexandria
+>Vienna London
+>Unreal
+--- 21938585
+>>21936524 (OP)
+Little things can have big implications: horror edition.
+--- 21938594
+>>21937655
+damm!!. how can I write like that or at least think like that?
+--- 21938655
+>>21938594
+Huh?
+--- 21938665
+>>21936524 (OP)
+>>21937655
+>>21938574
+I always thought it had something do with entropy. The ever-increasing amount of chaos in the universe. WWI was likely the greatest chaos that those people had ever seen, and here Eliot is dropping it on them that it only gets worse.
+--- 21938875
+>>21936567
+this
+--- 21938882
+>>21938574
+>Cumean
+--- 21940046
+>>21936524 (OP)
+Ashes to Ashes
+Dust to Dust
+--- 21940064
+>>21940046
+Peen to bussy
+--- 21940066
+>>21940064
+pussy*
+--- 21940070
+>>21940066
+No
+--- 21940077
+>>21940070
+Yes
+--- 21940251
+What an awful thread
+--- 21940623
+>>21938574
+Nice ass.
+--- 21941428
+Bump

lit/21936691.txt

@@ -62,3 +62,199 @@ It's entirely sufficient, precisely because the brevity is an intended element m
 >>21936741
 >>21936691 (OP)
 0/10
+--- 21938135
+>>21936691 (OP)
+The mother is a fish symbolises vardamans psychosis and unwillingness to accept his mothers death, don't just write shit off you pussy motherfucker
+--- 21938139
+>>21936748
+Unequivocally btfo, op should be lawyer
+--- 21938212
+>>21936691 (OP)
+A “fish” is a woman that just lays there when you fuck her
+--- 21938482
+>>21936777
+Yes anon that's the point of the passage
+--- 21938721
+>implying it is a chapter
+Leave your chapter books at the door, the section is called "Vardaman". There's no hard and fast rule for how short or long anything should be before a page break.
+--- 21940141
+>>21936691 (OP)
+>My mother is a fish
+this is actually one of the best if not the best sentences of all time
+--- 21940158
+>>21936781
+--- 21940941
+>>21938212
+Kek
+--- 21940957
+>>21936715
+nigger you literally write poetry based on apophenic tier occult allusions made incomprehensible in order to maintain an excess of metrical flamboyancy and conso-assonancial absurdity
+--- 21940985
+>>21940957
+I write in accordance with my own personal aesthetic taste and Frequently say that if given for an audience, my verse would fail as an entertainment or be seen as meaningful or relevant especially the more serious verse I write.
+
+And on that, I find the occult schema and methods I speak of in verse beautiful, they’re not just allusions, they’re usually whole processes being referred to, if I didn’t find them beautiful and worthy in of themselves why would I write it, likewise I find gaudy ornaments inherently beautiful, I find the high assonance and alliteration when done properly very satisfying, same to the metrical flamboyance (thank you btw fr.) I think there’s many philosophical positions where you can argue for why these things are inherently beautiful and worthy topics and methods and modes, my question and complaint is, can you say the same for this and similar writing, like sure I can get behind child innocence not processing horrible things but having a sort of unstained vision of metamorphosis, but is that beautifully done by seeing a mother become a fish? I won’t claim to speak for everyone, just for my own tastes, that it feels like something in a surrealist verse, that it has bathos, I personally think it’s not a beautiful image. You’re free to disagree, but still my point stands, just because there’s a conceptual justification for why you did something, is that an aesthetic justification ? Is it beautiful to you? There’s plenty of things which you can do with conceptual justification which aren’t aesthetically harmonious.
+--- 21941010
+>>21940985
+The Vardaman chapters are funny when you just think about "my mother is a fish" but within the context of the book they simply cause perplexity and then when you realize what it means it heightens the atmosphere of tragedy. As I Lay Dying does not create beauty anywhere, the ending itself, the scene of Anse with his new teeth, also seems humorous yet extremely disgusting, the novel doesn't try to create anything yet revelation as to the tragedy of life both due to nature and due to human selfishness, the real question is whether that kind of art has any value, and I think it does because feelings of "beauty" are ephemeral whereas cathartic pessimism is also a path to God even though you won't realize it from your Christian worldview because you like to hopelessly emphasize that God is "Good" and all such predicates as opposed to emphasizing the inherent emptiness of how ultimate Being itself is experienced
+--- 21941023
+>>21941010
+I'm sorry your period key is broken.
+--- 21941031
+>>21941023
+deal with it
+--- 21941037
+Funny thread, good job
+--- 21941054
+>>21940957
+>>21940985
+Just say that he writes mystic bullshit as LARP. Fuck this father ass-semen nigger.
+--- 21941059
+>>21941031
+Fun fact: Corncob originally wrote the screenplay for Faulkner's As I lay dying back in the late 70s on demand
+--- 21941063
+>>21941010
+> As I Lay Dying does not create beauty anywhere,
+
+This isn’t true by my definition of beauty, beauty to me is not simply the dainty or the pretty, it’s harmony of conceptual elements with sense perception as a whole.
+
+>the real question is whether that kind of art has any value, and I think it does because feelings of "beauty" are ephemeral whereas cathartic pessimism is also a path to God
+
+Beauty as a whole is a means of contemplating God, aesthetics as a whole can be a means to contemplate self and nature, seeing only pessimism and catharsis as the aesthetics which allow this speaks more so to your own being, insofar as, only the listlessness, melancholy, awful and so forth producing a sense of the terrible creating a sense of the sublime-sublate as being the means of contemplation of God you’re willing to accept, which is fine but it’s only one method.
+
+ >even though you won't realize it from your Christian worldview because you like to hopelessly emphasize that God is "Good" 
+
+In my view all evil derives from Good and all evil is harmonized with Good in the ultimate calculation, I see much beauty in the likes of maldoror, Baudelaire, de Sade and so forth and am not ignorant of the mystical methodologies associated with these. I’ve studied and written various pieces concerning death, cannibalism, child sacrifice and other such on account of the beauty of such, one of the longest poems I’ve ever written is a hell-katabasis poem. 
+
+>and all such predicates as opposed to emphasizing the inherent emptiness of how ultimate Being itself is experienced
+
+
+Why emphasize just one, why focus on just sunyata or just pure being, why not harmonize both, why not the fullness, why not harmonize every element of god and nature in different or the same larger works, why do you place more important on the abstract and hidden, on the dying and hiding, than he particular and glorious, the living and revealed, why is it a dichotomy and not simply more elements to pick from? Great men like Rabelais have no problem with mixing both.
+
+My complaint is not evil, my complaint is not the usage of the non-pretty, my complaint is the image is silly, my complaint is that the usage of the terrible does not excuse mundane ugliness. Catharsis of katabasis or exultation, if the writing isn’t mentally harmonious and isn’t intoxicating you with itself, then that is a failure on the most basic level of artifice, now you can say oh this wasn’t his intent (surely it was.) but if one writes with the intent of their craftsmanship being ugly, than that is a fault, a weakness in their mind and art and one that should be complained about.
+--- 21941091
+>>21941063
+The grotesque has its own aesthetic. Have you read the book? Aesthetics can't be argued for. You have to experience them. Sublime is hardly the only worthwhile part of the human experience, the one experience that all the artists pine for is the profound, not the sublime. In your dictionary they may be the same but that's because you are a fish out of water anywhere outside your niche of mystical/delusional poetry. Besides, I don't see how Darl's sections don't convey aesthetic beauty.
+--- 21941117
+>>21941091
+Of course the grotesque has its own aesthetic, it’s beautiful when harmonious, you misread this part 
+
+>This isn’t true by my definition of beauty, 
+
+I say that because I do believe there’s beauty in the book and just calling it ugliness isn’t fair, and absolutely aesthetics can be argued for if approached from the proper state of mind, even the act of contemplation is an aesthetic experience. 
+
+> profound, not the sublime.
+
+I don’t believe there’s a singular thing all arts strive for other than beauty(harmony of their conceptions with the senses.) I say the sublime on account of trying to use ugly katabasis as a means, not every work is attempting to be profound or sublime, but every work attempts to be beautiful.
+
+>delusional poetry
+
+As if all writing isn’t creation of aesthetic delusions lmao, as if the extreme mystic writing wouldn’t have the highest range of mental qualia Since that’s the focus lmao.
+
+All of it is a fabrication by an artist, you find Faulkner appealing because you see beauty there, if you sought only profound ideas you would drop fiction and just read philosophical contemplation, you’d be rewarded many times over and much quicker if that was your goal.
+--- 21941123
+>>21941063
+>my complaint is the image is silly
+Get a load of this retard.
+--- 21941167
+>>21941117
+>just read philosophical contemplation, you’d be rewarded many times over and much quicker if that was your goal.
+I already do. Philosophy can't provide the immediate experience of the insight, the moment of revelation. It only provides a learned definition of it or the revelation itself. This difference can't be ignored in the discussion of aesthetics as it's among the most significant things fiction has over non-fiction.
+
+All you are doing is putting a name to it. What beauty means? My definitions aren't rigid. Arsthetic beauty is a felt experience, it is not rationally differentiated into . We adore great artists because each one has his own way of producing that aesthetic experience. To say that it must accomplish such and such qualities to be labelled great and beautiful are obsessions of the non-artist too full of himself. That's all.
+--- 21941187
+>>21936691 (OP)
+The fact that you're upset about this only proves how good of a chapter it was
+--- 21941198
+>>21941010
+Let's be real, you're a complete pussy with zero taste who thinks it's shit, but are coming up with some big brained achtually reasoning for finding it good, because you are afraid to say le acclaimed book is bad. The rest is academic cope and I've never read As I Took it Up the Ass, I just wanted to comment and call you retarded and gay. Have fun with Ulysses and Proust next.
+--- 21941201
+>>21941167
+If you were to list your 'favorite' books right now, they would all safely be within the confines of the 'western canon.' You have no original taste and the rest is cope.
+--- 21941222
+>>21941201
+Not one person here has read my personal favorite book
+--- 21941230
+>>21936691 (OP)
+it means his mother is a fish. Retard.
+--- 21941233
+>>21941230
+In that moment anon was enlightened
+--- 21941237
+>>21941222
+Aside from having a 'personal favorite book' being a sort of childish conceit as opposed to having a pantheon of favorites or having rotating favorites, I'll take the bait and ask what the 'personal favorite' is.
+--- 21941245
+>>21936691 (OP)
+
+My OP is a fag
+--- 21941255
+>>21936748
+Ironic, since the type of people who blindly praise As I Took it Up the Ass are academics safely ensuring their place by not questioning any of the 'best books.' These designations are bullshit to begin with. 
+
+>>21936691 (OP)
+Try William Gilmore Simms. I've yet to read him myself, but Poe called him the greatest American novelist.
+--- 21941256
+>>21941198
+>filtered by modernist lit in 2023
+zoom zoom
+--- 21941261
+>>21941255
+>Poe called him the greatest American novelist.
+Poe died in 1849. His opinion is very limited.
+--- 21941270
+>>21941237
+Kill yourself
+--- 21941274
+OP still hasn't told us what his favorite book is. Bets on it being high school English class-tier.
+--- 21941280
+>>21936691 (OP)
+OP unironically filtered
+--- 21941298
+>>21941167
+>Philosophy can't provide the immediate experience of the insight, the moment of revelation. It only provides a learned definition of it or the revelation itself. This difference can't be ignored in the discussion of aesthetics as it's among the most significant things fiction has over non-fiction
+
+Nah this is only a problem if you don’t contemplate it deeply, I’ve had many Aesthetic experiences by contemplating Hegel for example, I think the popularity of dudes like deleuze is a testament to how the idea focused lit and contemplation can still very much induce a TON of aesthetic beauty even immediately in the act of contemplating the material, you may say, but then the contemplation is on you, same with prose fiction, ain’t no way you’re lifelessly speed reading Faulkner and gaining aesthetic appreciation, the lions share is the images and concepts festering in your guts and hatching with proper rhythm.
+
+>What beauty means? 
+
+Experience of the harmonious.
+
+>My definitions aren't rigid.
+
+Mine is, but I think that’s justified by ontological principle and how many great artists and thinkers have an approximate definition, and how the rational conception has made me experience beauty in more coherent, fuller bodied form and appreciation, the aforementioned festering enhancing.
+
+>Arsthetic beauty is a felt experience, it is not rationally differentiated into .
+
+Why divide man so much? Your reason and imagination and experience are not utterly separate things.
+
+>We adore great artists because each one has his own way of producing that aesthetic experience. To say that it must accomplish such and such qualities to be labelled great and beautiful are obsessions of the non-artist too full of himself. That's all.
+
+Nah it’s a question of taste and ideas of the beautiful, I’m not gonna use myself as an example, I will use Wagner, Schiller and Goethe who all give their specific and approximate definitions of beauty which are very close to my own, are these people not artists? Are they worse artists for having an idea of what it is they’re doing? Are you gonna claim none of them are phenomenal ?
+
+>>21941222
+I’m down to hear it, if I’ve not read it I’ll read it (eventually ) and approach it with no bias against the work.
+--- 21941302
+>>21936697
+>100+ IQ
+IQ scores are not synonymous with intelligence. This meme needs to end.
+https://som.yale.edu/news/2009/11/why-high-iq-doesnt-mean-youre-smart
+https://www.science.org/content/article/what-does-iq-really-measure
+--- 21941309
+>>21941302
+cope
+--- 21941310
+>>21941245
+As OP Lays Crying
+--- 21941328
+>>21941298
+>I’m down to hear it, if I’ve not read it I’ll read it (eventually ) and approach it with no bias against the work.
+The Merry-Go-Round in the Sea by Randolph Stow
+--- 21941334
+>>21941328
+I think I seen this recced (by you?) in another thread recently, unsure, I’ll find a pdf and get to it, thanks for the rec anon.
+--- 21941411
+>>21941256
+Do you even know who James Stephens or AE Russell are? 
+
+>>21941270
+As suspected

lit/21936988.txt

@@ -21,3 +21,95 @@ What say you, /clg/?
 Nah that's dumb, anyone who has learned a language for even a little while and is able to sight read something in it knows that they stop translating the meanings into their own language very early and it's actually a pain in the ass when someone says "translate that passage," because their KNOWING what it means is far in advance of their being able to give an English equivalent. There is nothing as beautiful and fun as being able to read whole sections of Homer if you love Homer and think and feel how much sense his metaphors and choice of words and concepts make. Same with reading Aristotle in Greek if you love Aristotle. It's like going from hearing someone vaguely describe a math problem to seeing it all laid out on paper without any intermediary between you and the ideas. 
 
 Poetry is never understood on the first read anyway. It's always meant to be read repeatedly so you can see the parts in their relation to the whole.
+--- 21938374
+>>21937349
+it's basically one of the first result you get googling 'Iliad with digamma'
+https://archive.org/details/firstthreebookso00anthiala/page/60/mode/2up?view=theater
+it's not just the first declension either, e.g for the standard Homeric second declension genitive οιο he uses the same symbol, e.g line 34
+βη δ’ ακεων παρα θινα πολυφλοισβοϝο θαλασσης
+maybe I'm missing something stupid or perhaps it was indeed some /w/ sound at an even earlier phase? IIRC in linear B you do have syllables in j-
+--- 21938572
+>>21937823
+Very stupid. Once you understand the syntax it's actually difficult to translate more complex sentences, that you completely understand, in your head.
+--- 21938753
+>>21938374
+Thanks for linking it. I feel like I'm sliding down a rabbit hole. I'm definitely going to be bringing this up to my Semitic reading group. We were discussing something similar a few days ago. The book is missing a page from the preface, but it can be found in the second edition located on the Hathi Trust. You might want to learn more about the author as I did.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Anthon
+--- 21938799
+O Boni Dei, non possum maneo auditum stultos homines fuscos stultos faeces loquens
+--- 21938819
+Last thread my Virgil post went completely ignored despite being the foundation of virtually all Western literature. One more try and then I give up. 
+Several anons talk about readalongs and Nepos, so here is the first paragraph of Nepos' biography of Cato. Post translations, ask questions, discuss and compare with others.
+--- 21938820
+>>21938799
+*loquentes
+--- 21938838
+>>21938819
+Don't lost hope anon, I'm sure there are many people in this thread who see your post but just aren't able to translate it. But they still see them as motivation to improve.
+If you give up, the thread will be that bit more dead
+I can't translate it I'm on chapter 8
+--- 21938842
+>>21938819
+Why would I post a translation when I don't know Latin? (I have frequented this thread for two years btw)
+--- 21938897
+>>21938819
+quick rough around the edges ESL translation
+Marcus Cato, born in the little town of Tusculum, as a young man, before directing his efforts to the cursus honorum, lived among the Sabines, where he had inherited a plot of land from his father. From there, encouraged by Lucius Valerius Flaccus, who was his colleague in the consulship and role of censor, as Marcus Perpenna the censor usually recounts, left for Rome and began spending his time in the forum. As a seventeen years old he first served in the army. During the consulship of Quintus Fabius and Marcus Claudius he served as a tribune in Sicily. As he returned, he served in the army with Gaius Claudius Nero, with his effort in the battle by the Sena, where the brother of Hannibal, Hasdrubal, died, being greatly esteemed. As a quaestor he met the consul Publius Africanus, with whom he did not lead his life simply according to the lot he was given, for he was in perpetual disagreement with him during his whole life. Together with Gaius Helvius he became an aedile of the pleb. As a praetor he was assigned the province of Sardinia, having left Africa as a quaestor in the previous period, and from there he brought back the poet Quintus Ennius; this we deem not an inferior deed to any other of the Sardinian triumphs
+--- 21938987
+>>21938842
+I get it, you are learning Attic Greek and Sanskrit exclusively, bravo anon
+--- 21939066
+>>21938799
+apage foedam latinitatem, age sis rusum dic perbelle et euschemissime odium in illos fuscos mastigias proferens
+--- 21939944
+Best resources for Biblical Hebrew?
+--- 21939948
+>>21939944
+I like Aleph with Beth.
+--- 21940348
+>>21938799
+*manere
+--- 21940841
+>>21938819
+since most people here are on Chapter 4 of their textbook they autistically screech about, I've decided to put an even easier but authentic latin text, from Origo Gentis Langobardorum, composed in the 7th Century, rules are the same as >>21938819, and remember, nobody cares about your favorite textbook
+--- 21940865
+In all my years of Latin study I've read almost exclusively classical texts with the occasional early medieval biography or history, but I've recently discovered just how interesting early modern and renaissance Neo-Latin can be. We Latinists are very privileged to study a dead language with such a long tradition of use and so many extant writings.
+--- 21940890
+>>21939066
+Me paenitet, sed ego non possum hoc facere. Non est sapiens neque moralis ut odio et discriminatio in quacumque formam vel personam fomentetur. Latinitas, lingua Romae antiquae, debet esse usitata ut cultura et historia Romae studiatur et comprehensatur. Sed debemus semper agere cum ceteris in justitia et misericordia, non in odio et violentia. Spero te maturum et responsabilem esse qui usum huius linguæ optimi facit, non qui odium et crudelitatem spargit.
+--- 21941100
+>>21940865
+This is what makes Latin superior to ancient Greek.
+--- 21941108
+>>21940890
+Mulier numquam eris
+--- 21941132
+>>21941100
+Superior to any dead language tbqh
+--- 21941211
+>>21941100
+Greek existed in at least one pictographic script and later flourished under the alphabetic script that is still in use. Greek is much more resistant to change than other languages, including Latin. There is no need for artificial Neo-Greek as there is with Neo-Latin because Greek still exists as a language. Modern Greek speakers can read the Septuagint and New Testament with relative ease, and without any training, I have seen Greeks get through Classical texts as well. Greek has continued since antiquity as a language of the people and of scholars. Latin can't make such a claim. Mexicans and Italians can't read Cicero or Jerome.
+--- 21941223
+>>21941211
+Still, Latin dominated Europe as the language of scholarship in a way that Greek did not. The seminal works of modern law, philosophy, and science were all written in Latin.
+--- 21941403
+>>21941223
+That's absolutely true, but if you look at Greek and Latin in their entirety and compare them at every level, a sensible man would find Greek to be an incredible language. There is a compelling case to be made about the superiority of Greek, one which a normie would not think of. However, I prefer not to think of languages being better or worse. Just take my comments as an indication of that. Languages have their pros and cons, and the one that you like best is simply a preference.
+--- 21941516
+>>21940841
+On Chapter 26 of the funny orange book, gonna give this a try
+ There is an island called Scadanan, which means Incitement, which is a part of aquilonus, where many people live, between them the small clan which is called the Winniles. And with them there was a woman whose name was Gambara, and she had 2 sons, one named Ybor and the other Agio, who with their mother Gambara held principality over the winniles. (therefore?) The dukes of the Wandals, who are Ambri and Assi, with their armies, told the Winniles, "Either solve our tribute, or prepare to fight and to fight with us". Then responded Ybor and Agio together with their Mother, "It is better to prepare to fight, because the Wandals (???)." And then Ambri and Assi, who are the dukes of the Wandals, pleaded with Godan, to give them victory over the Winniles. Godan responded saying, "Whoever sees the rising sun first, to him shall I give victory". At that time Gambara with her two sons, who are Ybor and Agio, who were the princes of the Winniles, pleaded with Frea, the Wife of Godam, who (made a promise?) to the Winniles. Then frea gave (consolation?) as the winniles saw the rising sun, they put their (hair?) around their faces to solve (the problem) in the (style?) of the barbarians. As the shining sun rose, (???) frea, wife of Godan, made the bed were the man slept face the east, and she woke him up. And he saw the women of the Winniles had beard around their face, and said "who are those Longbeards?". And Frea said to him, "Such as you have given them a same, give them victory!". And he gave them victory, and where they saw their vindication of themselves and where they had victory. And from that time I call the Winniles Langobards. 
+--- 21941597
+Is there a natural method for biblickle Hebrew? I already know the alebphet
+--- 21941632
+I downloaded an anon's whole pdf dump and I have still not started learning these languages.
+Maybe I will, one day. I'd like to know Latin and Hellenic, but it's high effort low reward (for me).
+--- 21941653
+>>21941597
+aleph with beth is the ci meme series for hebrew, it's the equivelent of LLPSI in the Hebrew community
+--- 21941682
+I need thoughts on the original Koine Greek of the Lord’s Prayer. The first three petitions are in Aorist 3rd Person Imperative Passive. Is this a command-request we make to God? Is it more of a command, or is it more of a request? The early Christians in particular Augustine felt that the correct translation was “hallow your name”; as a command we request God to help us hallow his name. Their significance of the distinction is that there are differences between a sick man saying “heal me”, “please heal me”, “let healing transpire”. The first one is a bold, assertive, possibly more urgent request in an imperative form. The same tense is in the same way we command God to bring his kingdom and to do his will.
+
+As evidence for more of a command, when healing occurs in the Gospel it is usually a sick person telling Jesus to heal him, as opposed to politely asking him. They believe so firmly in his healing and goodness that they simply tell Him to do it. When Jesus heals the centurion’s servant, Jesus uses the imperative construction we’re talking about to say “so as you believed, IT IS DONE FOR YOU”. The word for “it is done is Γενηθήτω, which is the same construction in “thy will BE DONE”. This should probably be translated to “do your will”, or even “your will is done”. This is because the Centurion passage tells us the purpose of the grammar: “in the same hour” the servant was healed, and the Centurion specifies what he expects when he says “I tell one servant to go and he goes, another to carry on and he carries” — this is the way he construes his faith. And when the centurion says, “say the word and my servant shall be healed”, “shall be healed” is ἰάομαι which is the same construction. 
+
+The earlier Christians seem to hold also, that the demands of the prayer are expected to be fulfilled in the moment of prayer, not at some later eschatological end date. And so the Kingdom of Heaven refers not to the 2nd Coming, but to the spiritual kingdom of heaven which Jesus speaks of in the parables.

lit/21937056.txt

@@ -92,3 +92,55 @@ It could be, but in case of Goethe he was a trendsetter, so the chances of him b
 --- 21937991
 >>21937056 (OP)
 Growth of the soil is really bad
+--- 21938194
+>>21937664
+It was still better than Growth of the. Soil.
+--- 21938404
+My diary desu
+--- 21938848
+>>21937056 (OP)
+Why did you remind me of this book. Almost vomitted.
+--- 21939064
+>>21937825
+What's good about Shakespeare anyway
+--- 21939076
+>>21937056 (OP)
+This guy is such a faggot loser. Why is every booktuber, booktoker, and bookgramer who theoretically reads non-schlock such a moron?
+--- 21939082
+>>21937746
+>the author was seemingly based
+Sometimes I wonder whether or not the crowd screaming about NPCs nurturing their disgust for society is actually composed of exactly that: Copies of one another.
+--- 21939084
+>>21939076
+Why, what's the problem?
+--- 21939087
+>>21939084
+They speak in banalities and platitudes. Their "in-depth" review of any book can be reduced to reading from the author's Wikipedia, Goodreads reviews, and "professional reviews." Fat by Fat is an exemplar of this pseudo-intellectual book fetishization.
+--- 21939100
+>>21937056 (OP)
+Solenoid by Carta..gibberish..cu
+
+I was led to believe by all the pushback that he was a hidden great and way better than Murnane and Sebald. Turns out it was all false hype. He is nothing like them because he has nothing that makes them special writers. Just another "the whole book is written by an artist who is undercover actually me" cliche in a long line of it in the contemporary scene. Sigh...
+--- 21939303
+>>21937064
+What makes me a basedboy?
+--- 21939559
+>>21937056 (OP)
+Nice bait
+--- 21939600
+Blood Meridian is fucking junk
+--- 21939844
+>>21939600
+No, I think it's really good. I haven't read it yet but I'm halfway through the Wendigoon video.>>21939559
+--- 21940706
+>>21937056 (OP)
+Bump (I'm not OP)
+--- 21940716
+I read Ready Player One, Mistborn, two of Robert Jordan's books, and two of Terry Goodkind's books before I stopped taking suggestions from my sff reading friends.
+--- 21940840
+Guarantee that OP is the same assblasted samefag who shit up the other thread about Hamsun.
+>>21929539 →
+>>21929539 →
+>>21929539 →
+>>21929539 →
+>>21929539 →

lit/21937084.txt

@@ -111,3 +111,70 @@ Socrates confronting Alcibiades
 Socrates sees under Charmides' cloak
 --- 21938003
 Socrates and Alcibiades converse with the courtesan Aspasia
+--- 21939127
+>>21937913
+Love it. There's also, the one depicting the laments of David over Absalom.
+--- 21939140
+Aubrey Beardsley is the purest graphical distillation of the decadent fin-de-siecle vibe. I think most of his works were illustrations of fiction. This one's illustrating a Poe story.
+--- 21939154
+>>21937432
+also anything by NC Wyeth.
+--- 21939157
+>>21939154
+forgot pic*
+--- 21939748
+good thread have a bump
+--- 21939907
+>>21937432
+The sign of an infantile mind.
+--- 21939929
+Everything Paget is kino
+--- 21939962
+For me it's Hendrick Goltzius. 
+
+Here's his "The Great Hercules"
+--- 21939977
+>>21939962
+and here's "The Feast of the Gods at the Marriage of Cupid and Psyche"
+
+I want to thank Peter Greenaway for making me aware of him. He's become one of my absolute favorites.
+--- 21940056
+>>21937084 (OP)
+Dore & Dali's Don Quixote
+--- 21940187
+from the faerie queene
+--- 21940193
+>>21937084 (OP)
+Dumping what I got thats /lit/ related
+--- 21940195
+>>21940193
+--- 21940203
+>>21940195
+--- 21940207
+>>21940203
+--- 21940217
+>>21940207
+--- 21940227
+>>21940217
+--- 21940235
+>>21940227
+--- 21940245
+>>21940235
+--- 21940260
+>>21940245
+--- 21940266
+>>21940260
+--- 21940275
+>>21940266
+--- 21940283
+>>21940275
+--- 21940374
+>>21939907
+Or an idealist. Perhaps you're too much of a miserable cynic to see things that way.
+--- 21940423
+>>21939929
+good taste
+--- 21940717
+Mikhail Vrubel – Tamara and the Demon (1891) 
+
+Based on Lermontov poem The Demon

lit/21937097.txt

@@ -3,3 +3,100 @@
 >>21937097 (OP)
 no
 /thread
+--- 21938277
+>>21937097 (OP)
+Ride the Tiger
+--- 21939146
+>>21938277
+heh not quite
+--- 21939197
+>>21937097 (OP)
+2666
+
+
+I'd be impressed to see someone find this one, i've never seen it mentionned
+--- 21939204
+>>21939197
+>2666
+DING DING DING
+Correct.
+>I'd be impressed to see someone find this one, i've never seen it mentionned
+It's going to be hard to guess, then. Is it French? That looks like a WW1 soldier.
+--- 21939211
+>>21939204
+It is french, it is not a war outfit though
+--- 21939222
+>>21937097 (OP)
+--- 21939226
+>>21939222
+ten little niggers?
+--- 21939265
+>>21939226
+heh not quite
+--- 21939295
+heh not quite
+--- 21939302
+>>21939226
+Correct
+--- 21939427
+>>21939424
+Macbeth?
+--- 21939430
+>>21939427
+no
+--- 21939621
+>>21937097 (OP)
+farewell to arms
+--- 21939624
+>>21939424
+king lear
+--- 21939625
+>>21939624
+no. it is a play though
+--- 21939639
+>>21937097 (OP)
+not farewell to arms, I meant the sun also rises. I always get those two mixed up. The wheelchair fag should be american though not Italian
+--- 21939641
+>>21939625
+Marat/Sade?
+--- 21939643
+>>21939641
+no
+--- 21939651
+>>21939197
+?
+--- 21939663
+>>21937097 (OP)
+wait maybe it is farewell to arms because he serving in the Italian army. it is one of them. w/e
+--- 21939689
+>>21939197
+A King Alone?
+--- 21940396
+>>21939222
+Lord of the Flies lmao
+--- 21940448
+>>21939424
+The Libation Bearers
+--- 21940468
+>>21940448
+Technically it's Agamemnon, but I'll give it to you
+--- 21940604
+>>21940396
+It was ten little niggers
+--- 21940714
+>>21937097 (OP)
+--- 21940735
+>>21940714
+Atomised
+--- 21940749
+>>21940735
+That's correct.
+--- 21940757
+>>21940468
+To be fair to that anon Aegisthus didn't have a weapon IIRC.
+--- 21940763
+>>21940757
+if that's true, my bad. it's been a few years
+--- 21940786
+>>21939197
+temple of golden pavilion

lit/21937272.txt

@@ -140,3 +140,142 @@ Postmodernism is cancer that corrupts and destroys everything. Only a jew or a j
 --- 21938041
 >>21937272 (OP)
 Tf is an ESL
+--- 21938129
+>>21938041
+Non American
+--- 21938145
+>>21937272 (OP)
+Right, so I'm hoping I can get a response ITT after asking a few times with no bite.
+When Osama bin Laden was reported killed, John Cena was the first to announce it at some wrestling event. He chose the words, and I quote "we have caught and compromised to a permanent end, Osama bin Laden". 
+
+Now, I get what he is saying, but these words: compromised to a permanent end - if an indian was saying this, you would shit on him relentlessly, wouldn't you? It is such an absolutely tortured way to put it to make it seem as tier-1 operator lingo as possible. Very cringe, but isn't it also extremely ESL, if you ignore that it was Cena who said it? 
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo0f_VsP8CA [Embed]
+--- 21938149
+>>21938041
+"ESL (English as a Second Language) refers to learners who are using English in order to communicate in a second language."
+--- 21938154
+>>21938041
+An American
+--- 21938162
+>>21938145
+I don't get it. What's ESLish about that phrase? 
+"to an end" is a well known phrase and he creatively attached permanent and compromise to it to bring out the irony
+--- 21938163
+>>21937272 (OP)
+>natives break grammatical rules all the time?
+Yes but only by accident and ESL mistakes tend to follow specific patterns depending on the native language
+>confused about time/conjugation
+>don’t flip the subject and verb for a question or subordinate clause
+>omitting random particles
+All of these are genuinely annoying to real English speakers (white people)
+--- 21938166
+>>21938163
+>Yes but only by accident
+ESL confirmed
+--- 21938170
+>>21938162
+It's the compromise that does it for me, throws off the entire sentence I think.
+--- 21938172
+>>21938162
+>What's ESLish about that phrase?
+It sounds like some kind of belabored technical mumbo jumbo from the military or law enforcement
+>the officers approached the suspect with elevated situational awareness, the subject did not comply and the tactical situation became escalated to heightened enforcement measures
+--- 21938176
+>>21938170
+So like compromise can mean either something like striking a deal, but then it should have an object, or it can mean be put into a vulnerable position, which would make slightly more grammatical sense (and also be in line with what he is trying to say), but at that point I just mean, "compromised to a permanent end" is such a tortured way to say what amounts to murdered dead.
+--- 21938177
+>>21938166
+??? Are you complaining about the lack of commas, or are you one of those midwesterner-creoles who thinks it should be “on accident” because that’s how it worked in das Vaterland
+--- 21938178
+>>21937272 (OP)
+self consciousness
+--- 21938179
+>>21938172
+>It sounds like some kind of belabored technical mumbo jumbo from the military or law enforcement
+I find this lingo hilarious, and it's absolutely unmistakable in certain types of communication.
+--- 21938180
+>>21937508
+>What he wrote was illogical, because language does not concern itself with anything, it being a logical structure for the communication of thoughts, with grammar as its framework for complete and orderly expression. 
+
+Your usage of the first comma is incorrect. You’re seaprating a dependent clause from the independent when the dependent is not introductory. Please be more meticulous with your grammar.
+--- 21938183
+>>21938163
+>Yes but only by accident
+No, their mistakes are due to ignorance mostly. They aren't all typos. Don't even get me started on niggers. you faggots fucked up by validating their disgusting nonsense.
+--- 21938184
+>>21937562
+>I understand your point, but considering the thread topic, I think my aforementioned presumption is pertinent.
+Run on. Use a semicolon to combine multiple independent clauses. Pleae be more meticulous with your grammar.
+--- 21938187
+>>21938162
+the phrase is "bring sth to an end." you don't "compromise" things to an end, that's gibberish. why did you say "bring out irony" and not "compromise out irony"?
+--- 21938188
+>>21938170
+That's the point. He's taking a jab at the US government that didn't want to end the war because it was super profitable.
+--- 21938189
+>>21938184
+>Run on
+Reddit meme. Chad writers do it all the time. It's not something negative.
+--- 21938192
+>>21938189
+Not an argument. Cope harder, mr. redditor
+--- 21938195
+>>21938192
+>no u
+lol faggot
+--- 21938198
+>>21938195
+Again, not an argument. Keep coping
+--- 21938321
+>>21937444
+> it's an outright (and commonly regurgitated) fallacy to equate the breakdown of established and signature grammatical structure with prescriptivist purity spiralling
+Could you say more? I'm the furthest from being a prescriptivist but I get very annoyed and look down on others when I see them using "wrong" grammar -- which is an inconsistent position to hold, and I'm not sure how to reconcile these two things in my head.
+--- 21938341
+>>21938154
+>implying Americans try to learn English and autistically care about its grammar
+--- 21938619
+>>21938145
+>that video
+--- 21938643
+>>21938041
+The abbreviation is technically “English as a second language”, but it’s colloquially used to refer to non-native English speakers regardless if it’s their second, third, etc language.
+--- 21938664
+I see natives complaining more about the grammar
+--- 21938671
+>>21937355
+That's clearly not true. Even though I've learned Russian in my 20s, I can still use its grammar and e.g. can correctly inflect words that I see for the first time in my life (that is, they didn't have to be "stored" as lexicon entries in all of their specific permutations - I generate the permutations myself without having seen and remembering them beforehand).
+--- 21938688
+>>21937371
+>typically into vulgate and creole forms.
+Vulgate is simply "common" language, not a specific form of a language defined by any grammatical properties. "Vulgar Latin" was used for Jerome's translation of the Bible which was the standard Bible for a good part of European history. Creoles are used by populations that originally weren't native speakers of the language. You're clearly pulling shit and latinisms out of your ass.
+--- 21938861
+>>21937272 (OP)
+grammar << logic << rhetoric
+
+Where else do you want them to start, anon?
+--- 21939119
+>>21938688
+Not really, my point in referencing those was that degenerate forms of language exist in response to the anon claiming all languages are qualitatively equal. You'd have to be a massive retard to think Zulu is not inferior to Arabic when, in the former's dictionary, half the words were coined by whites in the 19th and 20th centuries in order to form a functioning society. For example, you couldn't say quantities like a "half" or a "third," just "gibsmedat."
+--- 21939131
+>>21937272 (OP)
+I was one of the best in my class in English because I read a lot of books. Thing is, I barely know a single grammatical rule and just type what looks good. English is just far too simple a language
+--- 21939194
+>>21937281
+This.
+--- 21939337
+>>21938861
+>grammar << logic << rhetoric
+>Where else do you want them to start, anon?
+grammar and after dialectic
+--- 21939512
+>>21937318
+This is only true in your country lmao
+--- 21940926
+>>21939512
+The only country where most people speak English as their mother tongue
+--- 21940934
+>>21937294
+lol i didn't know the book of mormon came as a 3 ring binder
+--- 21940962
+>>21940926
+And rapidly decreasing!

lit/21937396.txt

@@ -16,3 +16,11 @@ Shut up son. If joke, middle school edgy humor tier shit. If real, daddy A to th
 --- 21937422
 >>21937413
 God you talk like such a faggot. That gemson guy is just radiating from this post
+--- 21938948
+>>21937413
+He did hang out in a group that sounds like 4channer in his book, he eventually rise to be the guy who spoke and listened to
+--- 21940295
+>>21937396 (OP)
+let go of your stupid modern religion and believe your own instincts or you're going to wind up with mental illness
+--- 21940794
+Don't hate the player, hate the game.

lit/21937498.txt

@@ -5,3 +5,118 @@
 Are these niggas serious?
 --- 21937512
 I think that a lot of young people are simply incapable of committing themselves to a task which does not have either 1. immediate sensory or emotional gratification, or 2. cannot be incorporated into their self-image in some way. Reading literature will not do either of these things unless you sit in public spaces and pretend to read or post videos of yourself reading for a trend, neither of which necessarily implicate actually finishing a book.
+--- 21938485
+>>21937512
+i didn't read your post but im drinking tea right now, and its really, really good. do zoomers drink tea these days?
+--- 21938539
+>>21937498 (OP)
+it's called fried dopamine receptors, and an addiction to instant gratification. Reading books to some degree does require some level of self discipline, as reading itself is a more conscious process - you can blankly stare at a paragraph but not really read and comprehend the words you see. 7 second videos require no work for the dopamine you receive and therefore is addictive to so many. Video slot machine.
+--- 21938815
+>>21938539
+I never bought the whole fried dopamine thing, is there any evidence to support this or do people just make this up
+--- 21938825
+One of those things doesn't require sustained effort.
+--- 21938860
+>>21938815
+Seems like very basic psychology that you can experience first hand.
+--- 21938912
+>>21938815
+even if it is all bullshit, why would you want a secondhand account of your own psychology? Don't you understand the nature of private experience?
+--- 21938915
+>>21938815
+M8, their social media algorithms were designed for that intended purpose…
+--- 21938919
+>>21938815
+“Fried dopamine” might be a misnomer, but there are studies about increasing lack of attention span.
+--- 21938922
+>>21937498 (OP)
+I have ADHD and I've never used it as an excuse for not doing something, you just have to do things differently to give yourself enough stimulation. I read out loud and pace, take short breaks to ramble my thoughts, and resume.
+--- 21939629
+>>21937498 (OP)
+>7 second videos of people screaming with sped up music
+What?
+--- 21939665
+>>21937498 (OP)
+>writes a paragraph 
+>inserts arbitrarily line breaks
+>look a poem
+--- 21939671
+>>21938815
+>>21938539
+>>21938860
+>>21938912
+>>21938915
+>>21938919
+
+>no source when called out
+--- 21939676
+>>21939671
+>too retarded to know a basic principle that has been beaten to death in discussions since 2015
+Nice selfie, bud
+--- 21939684
+>>21939671
+>>um source?!
+--- 21939692
+>>21939629
+it is called vine
+im hearing that it is a new app that is popular in the balkans
+--- 21939694
+>>21939676
+>its true because my other 4chan friends say so!
+--- 21939698
+>>21939676
+>it's true because my favourite twitch streamer said so!
+--- 21939701
+>>21939684
+>um just trust me bro
+--- 21939706
+>>21937498 (OP)
+I have extreme ADHD but I still read. I’m not good at it, I’m a slow and distracted reader but I still do it because I love it. And I’m getting better at it. I believe in you fellow ADHD bros, I have tons of tips on how to read more with ADHD (no meds needed)
+--- 21939722
+>>21939698
+It sounds like twitch has fried your brain.
+--- 21939724
+>>21939706
+Please give me a tip, wholesome adhd bro
+--- 21939733
+>>21937498 (OP)
+>tfw z/y line grew up without a phone, watching the mental annihilation of zoomers and thinking about the impacts on my future career path when all my competition are retarding themselves into drooling scroll-addicts
+
+my time has come and so have i.
+--- 21939737
+>>21939671
+You used the meme wrong, they're actually the ones asking for a source. 
+
+I don't know the exact science behind it, just like I don't know the exact science behind how I get a rumbling tummy when I'm hungry. It's just common sense at this point.
+--- 21939771
+>>21939737
+u misread bud.
+--- 21939852
+>>21939733
+>gets replaced by ai
+--- 21939972
+>>21937498 (OP)
+>...when you have a remote control, see when that happens, you got to a different channel
+>and if you don't like that channel you go to a different channel
+>...and so instead of watching I'm scanning anxiously back and forth for this thing that I think I want that I don't even know what it is
+
+(...)
+>you don't have to get up now, to change it...
+>when it became easy, you just had to move your thumb and change it
+>that's when we were screwed
+--- 21940946
+>>21938485
+Tea chad reporting in
+--- 21941300
+>>21938485
+I'm more into coffee but I appreciate a nice milky tea on a rainy day, and sweet tea when it's hot out.
+--- 21941398
+>>21939733
+Yeah it's insanely easy to look competent at work to oldheads tbqh. Just don't look at your phone and try to learn skills.
+--- 21941680
+>>21941398
+>oldheads
+Are you black?
+--- 21941853
+>>21941680
+Probably a nerdy white kid that listens to rap and wears “streetwear”

lit/21937775.txt

@@ -24,3 +24,131 @@ Put those in chronological order and there is a clear downward trend in quality
 Of those, only Rudyard Kipling and Earnest Hemingway are good.
 --- 21938034
 Unfortunately nowadays yes.
+--- 21938299
+>>21937992
+You literally listed the two worsts
+--- 21938306
+>>21937992
+The writing of Yeats helped found a revolution.
+--- 21938319
+>>21937780
+Occasionally they award brilliant writers like Yeats, but overall the Nobel has been a parade of the "first of the second-rate", in Maughams words; The best authors of the 20th century have not received the prize. Tolstoy, Proust, Joyce, Kafka, Nabokov, Borges, Thomas Bernhard (trying to make up for that one with Jelinek and Handke, kek!), not to speak of all the ignored Americans... in the last years the decline in quality has been all too obvious.
+But hey, it's their prize, they can give it to whomever, but that also means its insane international prestige should disappear...
+--- 21938326
+>>21937992
+Congratulations on knowing two of them
+Also >>21938299
+--- 21938389
+...are there actual people who think ANY award is actually awarded based on "objective merit" rather than politics and rubbing shoulders with the right people?
+--- 21938510
+>>21938306
+Elaborate, please.
+--- 21938712
+>>21938389
+Explain Handke
+--- 21938730
+>>21938319
+How would Kafka win if most of his work was published and recognized posthumously?
+--- 21938740
+The fact not a single manga has received this prize despite the fact the medium has completely eclipsed the novel on every front is telling. It's a legacy award for boomers at this point.
+--- 21938746
+>>21938730
+Sure, he's the most unlikely because he was so little-known, but he did publish most of his famous stories in his lifetime. And it's not like being unknown to the larger reading public stopped other from receiving the prize.
+--- 21938761
+>>21938740
+Manga don't have good stories, anon. You can talk about the quality of the art all you want but there's not a single manga with decent literary qualities.
+--- 21938772
+>>21938761
+>I have read all the mangas 
+
+Yeah, sure. Fuck of Nobel.
+--- 21938784
+>>21938740
+Boomers are only just starting. 
+In the last ten years one prize was awarded to someone born in the 1930s, one in the 50s, one in the 60s and the seven others in the 40s. I understand the Nobel is a career prize rather than encouraging an up and coming author but it's one of the reasons the selection is awful. Many died before receiving one because they give it to octogenarians. 
+I think the culture around regularly awarded prizes has disappeared among younger people probably thanks to the internet. Awards used to be an excuse to talk about a topic in the non-specialized press once a year. Zoomers don't even care about video game goty awards anymore.
+--- 21938802
+>>21938772
+>guy really think it's manga can compete
+Mention a single manga you think is worth of a nobel's prize
+--- 21938811
+>>21938784
+You can see it with tv/movie awards too. No one gives a shit. 
+I think video games had a chance to make their awards mean something but very quickly bloated, GOTY was on everything, those /v/ memes where a game is covered in awards and medals sorta captures the spirit of what happened there.
+--- 21938813
+>>21938784
+digital content accelerationism is a bitch
+--- 21938818
+>>21938802
+Dragonball 
+
+Now name a single Nobel prize winning book that is better than that.
+--- 21938847
+>>21938746
+It is odd to slight them for not picking him though when most people wouldn't have at the time. His body of published work was small and he was relatively young. Proust also had too small a body of work to be considered. By the time Tolstoy would have won he was already developing his strange utilitarianism toward art and renouncing his own work. The academy could have still given it to him but it seems pointless. Borges and Bernhard should have won. Nabokov and Joyce could have won but I don't think either of them would have deserved it. Giving it to Joyce would have been giving it to him just for Ulysses.
+--- 21938903
+>>21938847
+>but I don't think either of them would have deserved it.
+More than 90% of the actual winners, which isn't even a subjective judgment because most are pretty much forgotten in the literary discourse, while Joyces and Nabs influence continues, whatever you personally think of them.
+--- 21938908
+>>21938818
+Manga relies to much on its artwork as part of it's quality to be praised for it's storytelling.
+--- 21938911
+>>21937775 (OP)
+Is it just me or does Alfred Nobel look very similar to Jordan B Peterson in that pic?
+--- 21938920
+>>21938903
+>while Joyces and Nabs influence continues
+But that isn't what the prize is for. If it was they would award it posthumously. No one would be upset if either of them did win but I can understand why they didn't. Borges and Berhnard not winning makes little sense though.
+--- 21939130
+>>21937780
+dont forget bob dylan
+--- 21939173
+>>21938818
+>dragonball
+Garbage that even 13 year olds should be embarrassed at enjoying
+--- 21939180
+>>21938740
+>manga 
+>read by anyone without down syndrome 
+Hmmm
+--- 21939260
+>>21937775 (OP)
+pretty basic bitch contrarianism desu
+--- 21939922
+>>21937842
+>Hamsun
+>everything after is a downtrend
+What the fuck do you know? You have most likely read a translation of a translation of a translation of Hunger. Unironically kill yourself, EOP scum.
+--- 21939933
+>>21938903
+The Nobel Prize in Literature is not flat out rewarded for quality of prose, anon. They will never give to a man whose most famous novel is about a manipulative pedo no matter how good the prose is. Every single time we have these threads they're filled with anons who fundamentally do not understand the Nobel Prize, and get pissy about the Academy not giving it to their favourite degenerate writer whose interest in humanity begins and the ends with their cock.
+--- 21939943
+Huge green flag.
+--- 21939951
+>>21938712
+Handke getting the prize was anti-political if anything. He was a very controversial choice and it's not like the Serb mob has any sway over the Academy.
+--- 21939954
+>>21939922
+>>21939933
+Hey, nice consecutive digits. Too bad both posts are moronic beyond belief
+--- 21940055
+>>21939954
+>moronic
+Have you read the bit from Nobel's will concerning the literature prize, anon? It's to be awarded to writers whose works push humanity in an "Ideal" direction, not the best technical writer. Some writers were never going to get it at all. Of course, how that line is interpreted changes every few decades depending on the Swedish Academy.
+--- 21940069
+>>21937780
+The most current author you listed is Steinbeck born in 1902. These institutions have been taken over and subverted
+--- 21940968
+>>21939173
+Cope. You can't even name a single book.
+--- 21940991
+>>21939173
+As if adult men writing tragic characters any less cringe
+--- 21941352
+>>21938740
+only true opinion desu
+--- 21941752
+>>21938818
+>Dragonball
+So you're south american...

lit/21937874.txt

@@ -8,3 +8,70 @@ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8tmCQUURiY [Embed]
 --- 21938036
 >>21937881
 On the contrary, I find this add to his image.
+--- 21938384
+>>21938036
+how? it's just embarrassing. it makes him look stupid for getting tricked, and is totally juxtaposed by the themes in his novels.
+--- 21938422
+all french thinkers since the revolutions are just sex addicts desperate to be told they have insights on life
+--- 21938766
+>>21937874 (OP)
+Well it's the only book I've read by him and yeah I was quite disgusted at first by the dreary and depressing pornography and by the arcs of the characters involved, but then it grew on me and I can say it's a book I like (minus the overtly sci-fi ending, but still)
+>>21937881
+kino
+--- 21940328
+>>21937874 (OP)
+Atomised is one of the more prescient and insightful books of the last 30 years. Good book.
+--- 21940454
+>>21937881
+>All of his writing has been retroactively diminished because he got litigious with the Dutch art collective whores, unfortunately.
+I disagree.
+--- 21940498
+>>21937874 (OP)
+Houellebecq is such a good writer, like literally mind blowingly good prose, but at the same time he's a massive pervert, so his books are like 50% brilliant social commentary and 50% 4chan tier incest porn
+--- 21940641
+>>21937874 (OP)
+He was right about Euros resorting to appropriating Islam for their interests. Just like they did with Christianity. It's the natural chain reaction to extreme liberalism if you think about it.
+--- 21940664
+>>21940498
+>like literally mind blowingly good prose
+Huh? Even his fans I think wouldn't claim that.
+--- 21941365
+>>21937874 (OP)
+STOP POSTING THIS ANNOYING FRENCH FAGGOT
+--- 21941385
+I enjoyed it, but it also made me a bit depressed and hopeless for a brief period. I wonder what houellebecq would think about tinder and hook up culture these days
+--- 21941413
+>>21940454
+That's doesn't change anything. I am well aware of the situation. He lost the court case.
+--- 21941591
+>>21937874 (OP)
+Whatever is blackpill the book.
+--- 21941607
+>>21937874 (OP)
+Recommend me his books for a newfag.
+--- 21941612
+>>21941607
+just pick one they are all basically the same.
+--- 21941692
+Read 72% of Houellebecq's Anéantir. So far it's the most boring book of his I've read (I read Serotonin and Whatever).
+If you're excited for the English translation, lower your expectations.
+--- 21941706
+>>21937874 (OP)
+Atomised is his best book, I think. Houellebecq seems to me to be a very self-aware boomer who is happy to BTFO "soixante-huitards" but is passing the anti-boomer post-liberal baton to the next generation. He is too damaged by a lifetime of coomerism to take a stand. The future of Europe will be illiberal
+--- 21941709
+>>21941692
+what a shame
+--- 21941717
+>>21941607
+Read Whatever (Extension du domaine de la lutte). It's his first book, short and sweet. Atomised is good afterwards.
+--- 21941749
+>>21940454
+>muh depression
+>muh drunk
+What lame excuses. 
+I still can't help but think this is all an act to promote the film.
+--- 21941764
+>>21941692
+i liked it
+its houellebecq coping with the imagination of his own death caused by throat cancer (a disease that heavy chain smokers such as him very often get).
+besides there is never much happening in houellebecqs' books, its always protagonist goes somewhere and experiences the meaninglessness of life (and if he is lucky gets to have some dirty nihilistic sex).

lit/21937994.txt

@@ -1,3 +1,36 @@
 -----
 --- 21937994
 >we have Céline at home
+--- 21938907
+>>21937994 (OP)
+Not even remotely comparable as Heller actually has discernible talent
+--- 21940375
+>>21938907
+Youre retarded. So is OP though cause theres really no association between the two.
+--- 21940390
+Let me fix your thread.
+>we have Céline at home
+--- 21940624
+>>21940390
+Bro thats the book that got me into lit dont bomb on it
+--- 21940628
+>>21937994 (OP)
+Celine on Mcdonalds
+--- 21940853
+>America's disaffected rabble rouser is a jew
+Accurate tbqh
+--- 21941058
+>>21938907
+Cope.
+--- 21941249
+The true American heir to Céline is Philip Roth
+--- 21941701
+>>21938907
+>>21940375
+I read them a really long time ago now but distinctly remember the WW1 segment in Journey being similar in theme and attitude to Catch-22 (and it was just superficial similarities either). I'm with OP but would have to reread them both.
+--- 21941747
+>>21937994 (OP)
+heller is wannabe hasek, newfriend
+--- 21941779
+>>21938907
+Literally the other way around>>21940375

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@@ -3,3 +3,187 @@
 What a waste of time, can't believe I slogged all the way through this overhyped reddit trash for nothing.
 >it's SUPPOSED to be bad you just don't get it!!! 
 The only trope this hack successfully subverted was the trope of writing a good fucking novel.
+--- 21938107
+>>21938093 (OP)
+can you elaborate why it's bad?
+--- 21938167
+>>21938107
+poor pacing especially in the second book with tons of long-winded and unnatural exposition dumps and no sense of momentum through the story or into the 3rd book. inconclusive story arcs, lots of repetitious prose and character work, extremely cartoonish dumbing down of topics that could have been interesting (poulder & kroy just being shallow cartoon generals, "political intrigue" with the depth of a puddle) but were just written so childishly it's impossible to take them seriously. most of the events in the book feel contrived by the author rather than earned/built toward naturally. it really just feels like the book equivalent of a marvel movie, except a little edgier and darker.
+--- 21938205
+>>21938093 (OP)
+What did you expect? If you couldn't tell what kind of book it was going into it you are a fucking dumbass.
+--- 21938210
+>>21938167
+I see. Bummer. It was in my list (not as high priority but it was there).
+--- 21938219
+>>21938093 (OP)
+Bayaz is keyed
+--- 21938226
+I wore my "I Would Rather Be Reading Bakker" shirt the whole time I read this book
+--- 21938232
+>>21938205
+I can sympathize, I've been in his situation plenty of times where a book is real popular and because I'm afraid that I'm being motivated by narcissism to think it's just because they're retarded I read the book out of due diligence only to be disappointed
+--- 21938236
+>>21938093 (OP)
+Why would anyone read a book with such a horrendous and bad-taste cover is beyond me honestly
+--- 21938294
+>>21938093 (OP)
+>Filtered by the neo noir
+Many such cases
+--- 21938307
+George RR Martin: this author is doing SOME great work, but….
+--- 21938362
+>>21938232
+This is why you read established classics. A fantasy book written in 2000 whatever about magic and wizards is not going to be great... 
+Popular books are not good. If you are taking recommendations based on popularity all you will read is ghostwritten celebrity autobiographies, derivative self help, and Sanderson adjacent shit. Stick with the Western canon and cultivate some taste.
+--- 21938560
+>>21938093 (OP)
+
+> read goyslop
+> found out it's goyslop
+> rant against goyslops
+> (you are here)
+> read more goyslops
+--- 21938653
+>>21938093 (OP)
+I had the same experience.
+
+The second book pissed me off so much. The conclusion wasn't funny or subverting, it just made me realise how much time I had wasted reading that piece of crap.
+
+The only redeemable part of the trilogy is Glokta. Everything else is ridiculous.
+--- 21938657
+I enjoyed TFL well enough, but I understand. Abercrombie has some glaring flaws as a writer, and I think, like Sanderson, his core fanbase has trouble seeing them. I got into his stuff to take a break from Stormlight, and that colors my impression, because it was nice to at least have some fun dialogue after Shallan-whining-scene#73.
+
+I think Abercrombie is good at writing fun scenes and dialogue, but struggles to weave them into a cohesive narrative; so you end up with a fuckload of "scenes happening", and sometimes those scenes go well, but the lack of a strong, overarching narrative makes the low points harder to deal with, because they are just bullshit.
+
+He has written some great characters. The first book was carried by Glokta, and by the end Logen was almost as fleshed out. However, he leans really hard on stereotypes, and while he adds nuance for his mains, a lot of the side characters are one-dimensional boobs. He also doesn't know how to write a smart character, so to pump up his protagonists he surrounds them with morons (Glokta using his wisdom and military experience to come up with "build a wall" was probably the worst example of this.)
+
+He's also not a good ideas-guy, or that insightful about people in general. The epic speech at the end of book three about how money is all that really matters and fuck normal people would have felt intense when I was sixteen, but as an almost-middle-aged man reading an author who's almost fifty, it felt silly.
+
+Again, I'll give Abercrombie credit for not sucking total ass in a time when almost everything getting published is trite dogshit, but you do have to grade him on a curve. He doesn't innovate much and won't be remembered as a classic author, but I'll give him credit for at least keeping things fun.
+--- 21938921
+>>21938657
+Yeah, I read the books about 10 years ago when I was 16 and loved them. Refuse to touch them now, since I expect them to be immensely embarrassing and it would sour my memories. Similarly to Berserk Abercrombie is amazing if you are edgy teenager or self important manchild. 
+Speaks volumes about GRRM, since I am currently rereading ASOIAF in my spare time and find it better than when I was teenager. GRRM is truly miles above other fantasy shlock writers, will be considered current day classic in a century and him not being able to finish his books will be one of the fun facts history nerds will tell each other.
+--- 21939720
+>>21938093 (OP)
+I understand your frustration. I almost share it, but I feel like by the end of the second, I should have expected it. 
+I don't think it was necessarily that bad, but kind of deeply unsatisfying and not good *enough* to make that ok.
+--- 21939755
+>>21938093 (OP)
+if you think you're tired of grunting badasses and cold heckarino bitcharoo fem-badasses, just wait until you read the stand alones (lmao) or the followup trilogy (double lmao)
+,
+--- 21939761
+>>21938921
+nuncle belched as grease dripped from bacon burnt black down the nipples of his breastplate while he guzzled arbor gold beside fat pink masts jutting into myrish swamps and all the while the girl shat brown water onto lemoncakes while drinking mulled wine and the more she drank the more she shat, groaning "Cunt! Cunt!" but she didn't know words were wind my sweet summer child
+--- 21939817
+>>21939761
+I'm always a little confused when people get bent out of shape over how much he repeats stock phrases. It's kind of the point. People are meme-repeating retards, and it shapes how they think about things, and that's something he's specifically trying to illustrate by having his characters all say similar shit and name their kids the same 20 names.
+--- 21939854
+>>21938653
+Yeah I had the same experience with the second book. I have no problem with authors subverting expectations but there needs to be some purpose and a good reason behind it. It feels like Abercrombie just decided to subvert tropes for nothing other than the sake of subverting them, without thinking about why they exist or are successful in the first place. Book 2 is completely inconclusive because of it and worse still, he doesn't really set up any new threads or sense of momentum to carry forward into the 3rd, everything just kind of fizzles out anticlimactically and falls apart and leaves you wondering why you should even bother reading the third book.
+
+He did a similar thing with his characters too. I suppose the idea was to write about how people want to change but nobody really changes and to have all the characters go through some loop where they end the story at the same place they began. But all he really did is completely axe character development. Everybody stays pretty much the same throughout all three books, and the few times they make even a little bit of headway it's instantly rescinded and they go back to being how they always were. As if his point is to say "character development is a trope and real people don't change." Which, I don't care if you agree with him or not, it just makes for terrible terrible storytelling and is super repetitive. 3 entire books of characters with the same self doubts going through the same internal monologues over and over.
+
+It also makes his characters come off as incredibly schizophrenic. I think Jezal is the worst example of Abercrombie trying to have his cake and eat it too, there are so many instances where he writes Jezal as if he never changed due to his book 2 journey and is the same as he always was, but then randomly writes him as if he's a much changed and better person and totally different in the 3rd book. It doesn't feel like self doubt and struggle to change, it just feels incohesive and like the author makes characters do whatever he pleases to suit the situation.
+--- 21939869
+>>21939817
+Because regardless of how true or not it is it's boring as fuck to read three entire books of people saying the exact same shit over and over.
+
+In the chase to portray some profound truth of how people behave he completely fumbled the ball of just writing good compelling characters and dialogue.
+--- 21939925
+*sucks teeth*
+--- 21940048
+>>21938093 (OP)
+Should have read David Gemmell instead
+--- 21940294
+>>21939869
+>writing good compelling characters and dialogue.
+That is literally the only thing the books are praised for. Consider checking yourself for autism in case you're not just acting le epic contrarian.
+--- 21940377
+>>21939925
+>Spits on the mud
+--- 21940450
+WOW, HE IS JUST LIKE ME
+--- 21940744
+>>21938093 (OP)
+>expecting grimderp to be good
+--- 21940745
+>>21938226
+>I read bekker 
+>I sleep
+Why does this happen?
+--- 21940813
+>>21938093 (OP)
+I despise the First Law trilogy. Mostly because of how overrated it is, being considered by many to be among the best fantasy novels. But it is trash. Bland characters, bland plot, bland worldbuilding, it's like it was designed specifically to bore. At best it can be argued to be mediocre. Abercrombie can't write well, and a good example of that is the twist at the end of book 2. Oh, the artifact we've traveled to the far reaches of the world to get...uh, it's not here. Yep, it's just not here. Riveting writing there Abercrombie, one hell of a way to end a book! 
+
+>>21938226
+I found Bakkers work to be a bit disappointing. It has some interesting concepts and neat worldbuilding, but he fails to write an engaging plot, and the philosophical bits aren't really all that deep. There's also some dumb feminist bits. Though it's been a while since I read them and though I was thinking of giving them a re-read.
+--- 21940843
+>>21938232
+You always gotta remember stereotypes are there for a reason, I will admit I thought the book thief was decent enough to get halfway through in school but that's the closest I'm edging into faggot/women literature
+--- 21941188
+i'm reading the sequel trilogy right now. something happened to this guy that broke his brain. i bet he doesn't go more than 5 pages without someone commenting on how smart and competent a female character is, he's relentless with it
+in book 3 a character had twins and he made the male baby be the more incompetent and cowardly baby
+--- 21941219
+>>21938093 (OP)
+This isn't just classic 4chan hating on everything either, these books are legitimately bad
+>every side character is completely one-dimensional and has at most one personality trait
+>Colonel West just starts beating up his sister for literally no reason in order to add more edge to the story
+>incapable of writing a female character without it being a badass girlboss fighter
+>all violence has the weight of an Itchy and Scratchy cartoon
+>world is literally built under the characters feet as they move from place to place
+>YA calibre dialogue
+>all of this could be forgiven if this goyslop wasn't SO LONGGGGGGG 
+Abercrombie will occasionally do a fun thing that makes you think "I'll stick with this book for a while," like the fight where the bloody nine comes out, or the scene where Bayaz just blasts a bunch of northmen with a fireball, or the fight in the whorehouse in the 4th book, but it's just not worth slogging through, don't read these books.
+--- 21941236
+>>21938921
+based and redpilled
+--- 21941238
+>>21938093 (OP)
+I really enjoyed the series up till the very end. I was very disappointed that Jezal morphed back into an absolute bitch after 3 books of slowly growing as a character. LMAO PEOPLE SUCK DICK AND CANT CHANGE is defeatist garbage repeated by retards who sniff their own farts.
+--- 21941252
+>>21941219
+the overall concept of the world seen as humanity struggling to escape from under the thumb of ancient shadowy immortals ruling behind the scenes is pretty novel as far as fantasy goes but abercrombie is too up his own ass and it gets in the way of telling that story.
+at some point he becomes predictable like>>21941238
+alluded to and you start to realize nothing good is ever going to happen and everything that's seemingly good will get destroyed/nullified by the end.
+so when a sympathetic character comes out on top it doesn't matter because you can know with 100% certainty that it'll all turn to shit within the next 5-50 pages
+--- 21941402
+>>21938093 (OP)
+I've never understood Abercrombie's appeal. It may be because I read them too late--I think I only blasted through The First Law series in 2022, by which time I was already a jaded 30-something year old, but it felt like I was reading a parody of grimdark meme fantasy.
+
+Like every time there was an opportunity for something incredibly stereotypical to happen, it happened. Without fail. It's one thing to do the dark fantasy thing, it's another thing for EVERY single character to be the most insufferable bastard possible with the SOLE exception of West, who is redeemed because his defining bastard moment is putting his absolute whore sister in her place with the back of his hand, because apparently the West clan is the only bloodline left in the entire world aware that you can actually just hit women for being evil.
+
+In a stunningly brilliant turn of events, Abercrombie then took this character--the only interesting character in the fucking series--and decided to not do anything interesting with him. I think he dies of fucking radiation poisoning offscreen. Instead we get what, the industrial revolution but everyone is still using crossbows--sorry, flatbows, fuck you--and now this is a story about the evils of Capitalism? We jump from the War of the Roses directly to the French Revolution in one lifetime--really dude? Couldn't give us a timeskip, had to jump directly to Ardee's daughter spitting cum into a wineglass after sucking off her brother in his office? Bruh.
+--- 21941554
+Is he the new GRRM now? Contrarians on /lit/ decided to hate him now because he made it first on r/fantasy? You'all so predictable, it's boring.
+--- 21941556
+>>21939761
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqv-UtJQk5Q [Embed]
+--- 21941562
+>>21941554
+I don't hate him, he's just nothing special. Just a fantasy adventure novel for entertainment. It doesn't deserve high praise or anything. It's not serious literature, neither is GRRM.
+--- 21941567
+>>21941562
+>It's not serious literature
+What is serious literature then?
+--- 21941584
+>>21941188
+It was released after 2016, people got buck broken after Trump's win and intentionally decided to write and publish propaganda to push their side's opinions as if Trump was some kind of dictator and not retarded mcdonald's boomer. Society got polarized into two pools, not into left and right, but into those who's entire life got consumed by politics and those who stopped caring entirely. The first group sought to be heard, the second checked out. Creating multiple echo chambers that tried to scream over each other.
+All western media died during those times. No good books, no good games, no good movies, no good music, journalism has gone worse than ever before. Western media may not ever recover.
+--- 21941585
+>>21938093 (OP)
+A Dish Served Cold or Heros are better. Abercrombie improved over time.
+--- 21941587
+>>21941567
+Start with the greeks
+--- 21941624
+>>21941554
+Just because hating Martin became popular doesn't mean that the criticisms of him aren't accurate. He IS a fucking hack.
+
+Abercrombie may have a laundry list of totally legitimate criticisms, but you know what isn't one of them? Not writing fast enough. The guy writes like David Gemmell speed and unlike George Abercrombie is at least passably competent. All criticism of him must be made in light of that.
+
+Now, all that said, he DOES fucking suck at character writing. I honestly cannot think of a JA character I actually like.
+--- 21941627
+>>21941624
+I like the crippled inquisitor.

lit/21938157.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,783 @@
+-----
+--- 21938157
+"Giant Cock" edition
+
+Previous thread:
+>>21931132 →
+
+/wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ
+RESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvC
+
+Please limit excerpts to one post.
+Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.
+Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive.
+If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.
+Violent shills, relentless shill-spammers, and grounds keeping prose, should be ignored and reported.
+
+Simple guides on writing:
+>https://youtu.be/pHdzv1NfZRM [Embed]
+>https://youtu.be/whPnobbck9s [Embed]
+>https://youtu.be/YAKcbvioxFk [Embed]
+
+Thread theme:
+>https://youtu.be/3KgB-sI2H-c [Embed]
+--- 21938191
+You did write your 2000 daily words today, right /wg/?
+--- 21938200
+>>21938157 (OP)
+red junglefowls are my favorite chicken
+--- 21938209
+An unusual tone for me. 
+Feedback appreciated.
+
+micz.substack.com/p/the-pillars-of-civilization
+
+Also, after you read it: 
+ Is the title too much? Trees, columns, erections. Do you get it yet?  Feels crass rather then clever, but i’ve been encouraged to keep it.
+--- 21938214
+>>21938209
+And the cover image, because lit just refuses to attach thing lately.
+--- 21938220
+there is no way in gods green earth that I will ever write something as good as solenoid
+--- 21938222
+>>21938191
+Currently at 11k words so far.
+I was at 6k last week. 
+Going to go for 40k after everything is said and done. 
+I showed my book to some friends and family yesterday.
+They didn't say anything to me about it yet.
+One of my cousins actually instead asked me what I'm planning to do about school. 
+Kind of has me feeling a little defensive but I'm probably overreacting.
+--- 21938224
+>>21938209
+are you depressed anon?
+--- 21938233
+>>21938224
+No really, just moody sometimes. 
+The usual thing everyone suffers from.
+
+Does it come off that way?
+--- 21938242
+>>21938222
+Every major writer had a regular source of income, and even in the unlikely chance you are a gifted prose artist, a $1 million advance is still not enough to retire on. (FYI, the average advance nowadays is something like $5k for a traditionally published novel). 
+
+Do yourself a favour and don’t neglect your schooling, or finding a job to pay the bills in the meantime.
+--- 21938244
+>>21938242
+Oh yeah that's not the issue.
+I write as a hobby not as a job.
+I'd probably kill myself if I tried to do it as a career.
+--- 21938252
+>>21938233
+not really
+--- 21938257
+>>21938209
+So did you get laid?
+--- 21938263
+I'm kind of regretting picking up writing.
+Now after I pick up a book even stuff I've read in the past from start to finish I can't help but see it through the lens of scrutiny and compare it to my own material. 
+I don't have the balls to post my own shit yet but I don't enjoy reading books as much because of this. How do I separate the two?
+--- 21938266
+>>21938252
+Spellcheck my poem for me instead. I keep catching silly mistakes just before sending them out. 
+
+One day i'll have egg on my face.
+--- 21938334
+>>21938209
+It's a fine title. 
+For what it's worth i didn't get the pun.
+I Thought it was about Greek and Roman concepts of citizenship, with a little sex thrown in.
+
+I do really like it BTW
+--- 21938338
+>>21938334
+Made me think of this book and the narrator wondering if he belongs to the tribe
+--- 21938360
+>>21938209
+>micz.substack.com/p/the-pillars-of-civilization
+>Your punctuation is atrocious
+>Your first line of every stanza is good
+>Almost all your second lines end in a rhyme but still don't match the first lines meter
+>First and third last stanza are your best the rest of them are eh.
+--- 21938388
+>>21938334
+First of all thank you for reading, and reading seriously. Cant ask for more then that. 
+I have read The Ancient City and the idea of belonging and being apart was there from the beginning . 
+
+> All familiar temptations to a citizen at night
+> Any ancient god is likely to encounter with delight.
+
+But really if it's about anything more then girls, and being mopey on a hilltop it's about the Greek religion surviving as the states of mind they can represent. 
+
+>>21938360
+> Your punctuation is atrocious
+I'll grant you that. 
+Im sorry you didint like it. But thank you for reading anyway. 50% good lines don't make a 50% good poem but it's something. 
+
+>>21938257
+Now, a gentleman never tells.
+--- 21938472
+Do any of you anons have multiple handles for your works?
+I'm thinking if I ever get into a smut writing phase I might want to separate myself from regular books.
+What would you guys do? How would you go about it?
+I've been reading Jenika Snow that fat whore and she's been getting me really interested in making my own shitty smut novel.
+--- 21938512
+Do you add padding as your story progresses or after you're done with the main plot and characters? I feel like sometimes authors will go back before publishing and add more details to their scenes and stuff.
+Or maybe that's just me. Some books I've read have a ton of details in-between scenes to really give the reader a picture of what's happening vs focusing more on what's moving the story along.
+--- 21938526
+>>21938512
+>viewing atmosphere as padding
+Your frame work is fundamentally fucked up
+The purpose of the prose isn't to tell the events of the plot as efficiently as possible. Youu should try to challenge the notion and develop your perspective if you don't want your writing to be dry as fuck
+--- 21938541
+Doing something a little different.
+https://tookys.substack.com/p/tookys-reviews-the-last-free-man
+--- 21938562
+>>21938526
+That doesn't really go anywhere. Can you actually elaborate?
+--- 21938575
+>>21938263
+Comparison is the thief of joy, anon. Instead of thinking about how their writing is much better than yours, look for aspects of the book that you enjoy: is it prose, characterization, a deftly-woven narrative? See a beautiful or poignant sentence, write it down. There is definitely a way to read that's constructive rather than self-destructive. Be forgiving with yourself. You are not Shakespeare and will never be, but that's okay. You can be you, to the best of your abilities, as long as you don't give up.
+--- 21938676
+I hate having to come up with names for fantasy creatures or concepts. It's even harder than actually writing the story.
+--- 21938678
+>Publish on RR
+>Views and ratings and follows and favorites are good, but the comments are antagonistic and demotivating, and really making me not want to keep writing
+
+Should I just disable commenting on all chapters?
+
+I really don't want to keep dealing with these purely negative commentors
+--- 21938694
+>>21938678
+Cultivate discord community. Ignore RR comments.
+--- 21938709
+>>21938562
+NTA but he's absolutely correct.
+
+If plot purely were what mattered, people would read nothing but Wikipedia synopses. The shifts in mood you get in those 'in-between' scenes, the echoes and contrasts between characters' inner lives, the sense of an interconnected world and the rhythm of real experience -- these are essential parts of the pleasure of reading, and in many ways the plot is only there to give them a pretext, to act as a scaffold around which to spin threads not so easy to condense into a synopsis.
+
+Here's a very crude analogy: If you invited me to your house for dinner, and treated our conversation, our sense of the night falling in the garden outside, our jokes and reminiscences and allusions to friends past -- if you treated them as nothing but conventionally necessary padding around the real purpose, that of chomping down on a roast, then I'd perhaps think you a good cook but, even more so, I'd think you a poor and insensitive and unimaginative host.
+--- 21938711
+>>21938694
+What's RR?
+Don't tell me it's some Reading Reddit or some shit
+--- 21938724
+>>21938709
+This makes more sense.
+You actually put it into perspective, whereas he didn't even bother giving detail on what he meant.
+--- 21938726
+>>21938711
+--- 21938727
+>>21938709
+(I'm trying out a new 'posting voice', btw.)
+--- 21938728
+>>21938209
+>micz.substack.com/p/the-pillars-of-civilization
+
+This is more like the first things you posted, it's fun! It's good that you are taking this seriously but don't feel the need you be a serious poet. 
+There is not enough light verse out there, write a parody, be like pope, have fun with it. The title is a duck joke. Great!
+--- 21938732
+>>21938728
+ duck joke woohoo
+--- 21938752
+If anyone feels in the mood to read two longish short stories, and hopefully learn something about writing in the process, I recommend 'A Terribly Strange Bed' by Wilkie Collins followed by 'The Inn of the Two Witches' by Joseph Conrad, both old enough to be freely available online.
+
+The two stories are focused around the same central plot-point (the 'strange bed' -- I will say no more!), so it's intriguing to see how two authors can handle the same basic premise so differently.
+
+I think the exercise shows how much more sophisticated Conrad is as a storyteller, how much more inventive and subtle. By comparing them I learnt a lot about what it means to turn an idea into an actual story.
+--- 21938956
+>>21938676
+>names for fantasy creatures
+create a formula whereby you take words/ common sounds from existing cultures and modify them in a consistent manner. It might be somewhat repetitive, but naming your mc karthweynd because it sounds like a tolkien name is worse.
+>concepts
+keep it simple, stupid. If you're naming a concept/ phenomenon, just use words that describe that thing. World War II, 100 Years War. Or you can use intentionally incorrect descriptors to highlight e.g. a deficiency of knowledge of people in the universe. E.g. Spanish Flu.
+Nobody's gonna think your world is cool because there's a magical phenomenon called the Mephistopheles Sanhedrin Doom Overdrive.
+--- 21938999
+>>21938676
+I just use single words and make them into compound words
+--- 21939020
+>>21938676
+I hate reading names of fantasy creatures and concepts. It's like mind pollution, new words that will never have any relevance to anything. Just don't do it, abandon the entire project and write something interesting instead.
+--- 21939028
+>>21938752
+>finally see Wilkie Collins being recommended
+>It's as a negative comparison
+--- 21939030
+>>21939020
+Want to read my fantasy story?
+--- 21939038
+>>21939028
+It's not fair to put anyone in the ring with Conrad.
+
+But it's the only Wilkie Collins I've read. Any recommendations for a next step?
+--- 21939039
+>>21938472
+just include portions of smut in your serious books and then all your books can use the same name. simples
+--- 21939045
+>>21938678
+>comments are demotivating
+that's surprising. statistically the most common comment your should get is ty for the chapter. maybe you just have very thin skin? if people are leaving feedback you should at least consider what they're saying before dismissing it
+--- 21939059
+>>21938999
+That's the most dogshit fantasy trope ever. Welcome to fucking moonstonewall! Welcome to woodwater forest! Horseshit.
+--- 21939077
+>>21939038
+I thoroughly enjoyed The Moonstone. I just read it this month and it was my first 5-star read of the year. It's a bit long but T.S. Eliot called it "the first, longest, and best of modern English detective novels" and I particularly enjoyed it for his grasp on characterization and voice. The Woman in White is also long but it's certainly his most famous work. 
+The only short story I've read of his, if you don't want to invest that much time, is "The Biter Bit". It's a mystery short story, but tongue-in-cheek. It did make me chuckle.
+--- 21939078
+>>21939059
+Krebul was a Krebulorian from the planet Krebulor 9. Krebul sighed as he entered the city gates of Krebular. "Krebul! You old kreblaxor!" a Krebulorian with a familiar face yelled out. "The prophecy of Krebular says you must go to the mountains of Krebulax and retreive the sword of Krebuli" the Krebulorian said krebulantly.
+--- 21939079
+>>21938999
+>>21939059
+I got both of you beat. I just use names for similar things that exist or were written about IRL. Oh, there's a giant stick insect that hides in the forest by using natural camouflage? That's a Phasmid. Oh, there's a giant flying monster that sort of looks like an ape and has a terrible visage? That's a Gargoyle. My main villain can fly and in his true form has the lower body of a serpent? His name is Typhon.
+--- 21939093
+>>21939077
+Nice, thanks for the recs. Those early works from the foetal days of genres are always cool. I'll line up The Biter Bit for when I need something to read with my coffee tomorrow.
+--- 21939103
+>>21939093
+I'm currently going down the rabbit hole of the birth of the detective and mystery genre. I hope you find some enjoyment in it, anon.
+--- 21939170
+>>21939078
+better than motherfuckers calling shit dh'dhurjv and <random syllables>ia.
+--- 21939205
+God damn Gardner got another book? And I'm here still trying to think of a name for my MC.
+--- 21939218
+>>21938678
+post link or give examples of 'negative comments'.
+--- 21939220
+>>21938263
+I know the feeling. There is a story that I keep up with, The Runesmith, and it is clear that the writer is either an ESL or just doesn't bother properly editing their work before posting since I always find numerous typos or wrong words.
+I can still enjoy reading it (though it is glacial in its pacing sometimes) but it does make me like it less.
+--- 21939231
+>>21939205
+Not hard when it’s just a few thousand words of mindless drivel, but I’m sure you already knew that Frank.
+--- 21939234
+>>21938562
+If the purpose of your prose isn't to convey the plot efficiently, then what is it?
+It's an interface with the reader which effects them by being emotionally evocative and leading their thoughts. The elements of story telling are contribute to a composite to this end
+>>21938724
+Everyone is going to have different answers to the question of "what is the purpose of prose [and story telling]"
+I get being new and taking assumptions for granted, but at some point you have to think a little
+--- 21939236
+>>21938711
+Royal Road.
+--- 21939242
+>>21939030
+NTA, but I'd give it a look.
+--- 21939258
+>>21939079
+I do this.
+Giant shadow wolf? Skoll.
+Giant light wolf? Hati.
+The first evolves into a Fenrir, and from a Warg.
+I made up my own things, but I give them more reasonable names like Spinal Spiders, Stone Boars, Bark Spiders. I try to think, what would the first person who encounters and names these things call them? Now, some of them are named after mythological creatures for an in world reason, but that is something I came up with as a reason to avoid making a huge list of magical creature names that nobody is going to remember.
+--- 21939266
+So I'm going to post this because it really irritates me. The author of this story posted it a couple threads back wanting to know why people aren't reading his work
+https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/66296/himemonogatari
+So the criticism he received was that the blurb is completely, utterly, horribly generic and that the name may also be causing people to not want to read it. He took offense. So I left his story link open in a tab and I glanced at it today and it looks like a day ago he posted another chapter. He didn't fix his blurb. He didn't make any changes whatsoever. And his views have not really moved.
+
+So listen up, dumbfuck dipshits. When you specifically come asking for advice you may want to at least consider the advice you get, especially when you're not doing so great to begin with. When a reader leaves feedback, you should consider it, even if you come to the conclusion that it may be incorrect. Get the fuck over yourself.
+--- 21939275
+>>21939266
+>Life sucked and it wasn't getting any better for anyone. People lived in a grey world and reveled in their sorrow. Though they could move their hands they never sought to change their circumstance around. Made worse was underlying shadows creeping under the world's feet. If no one was going to act then the Protagonist would as a protagonist should. Taking the role as the world's savior, a hero of light, the protagonist would be followed by a party of like minded individuals rejected by society for choosing to paint the world in color rather than grey. Kindness and compassion was the solution, or so it should be. This was not only their new beginnings but also their new ends.
+
+Every sentence is just bafflingly bad.
+--- 21939300
+>>21939266
+I didn't finish the first chapter, but I wonder, why Himemonogatari? How is it a princess story? Because that is what it translates to. I assume he just wanted to invoke the monogatari series of light novels, but if that is the reason, then it is a bad one.
+--- 21939305
+Results of 1 year on RR, starting as a brand new writer. 
+Have lots of followers, but dogshit patreon. Sad days.
+--- 21939312
+>>21939266
+>Story on RR
+>Not progression fantasy
+This type of edgy weebfic gets readers on Scribblehub.
+--- 21939313
+>>21939266
+Please tell me I'm overthinking this and you're not the actual author of that fiction? Your braindamaged writing style and surreally aggressive reaction to a random nobody's work kinda suggests so. Either way, I'd like to tell you that you need to be over 18 years old to browse this website.
+--- 21939329
+>>21939305
+>many such cases.
+--- 21939335
+Are conferences worth it if you've got some unpublished manuscripts?
+--- 21939348
+>>21939335
+I want to visit one.
+--- 21939353
+>>21939305
+That's good. 305 reviews are a lot
+--- 21939369
+>>21939305
+Damn. I'm going to hit a year in June and I've got 2 reviews, one positive, and one somewhat negative.
+--- 21939374
+OH NOOO! IM GONNA PROCRASTOONATE
+
+Somebody please help
+--- 21939377
+>>21939374
+Just as a baker bakes, so does a writer write. Do your job!
+--- 21939380
+>>21939369
+I write LitRPG so I get many many follows.
+--- 21939385
+>>21939380
+Dang. I write fantasy, but not LitRPG.
+--- 21939390
+>>21938224
+>>21938233
+How would one know if they were depressed or moody? Also, is that sentence grammar fine? I feel like I could swap would or might, and I don't know if the neutral they goes with one.
+--- 21939405
+>>21939390
+Well the poem is about the difficulty of being depressed. Something always interferes. Girls, music, the gods .
+--- 21939410
+Ahahahaha! Today I finished a chapter and then wrote 2k words on top of that.
+The book is practically writing itself at this point and I'm meeting no resistance. 111k words and counting. This will be my proudest unpublishable, meandering and self-indulgent piece of shit manuscript.
+The midget is living inside the walls of the mall now. 7 more chapters and the home-alone shenanigans can begin. I can see it in my mind. Fireworks are going off outside to celebrate the New Year, a gang of kids has broken into the mall to look for a legendary arcade cabinet and the midget will fend them off with home-made traps
+This is the reason I was born to this world
+--- 21939412
+>>21939305
+That seems pretty good. I've seen worse stats with better patreons
+Is there something you have to do to shill your patreon effectively or something?
+--- 21939413
+>>21939405
+I mean how would the alleged depressed person know
+--- 21939421
+>>21939413
+NTA but I knew I was depressed because I wanted to die, I had no real drive for anything, and I just wanted to sleep or play games and what have you to avoid thinking about how much I wanted to just stop the pain of existence.
+Now I only want to kill myself when I edit my story.
+I still keep my irony up when talking about the subject.
+--- 21939422
+>>21939412
+If you want good patreon you need lots of cliffhangers, a good and consistent posting schedule, and a story that gets readers heavily invested in it. A normal patreon conversion is 2% of followers. God tier is 10%. 
+
+But the real money is on amazon and audiobooks. Get front page on rising stars and indie pubs will jump in your DMs
+--- 21939426
+>>21939266
+filtered. i didnt take offense to your critique of my blurb, you just didnt get it and apparently still dont. probably because you havent opened more than one chapter and actually thought to yourself why it is the way it is. and i didnt necessarily ask for advice. i talked with many RR authors and i know what the site likes, generically bad litrpgs, which isnt my style or genre i enjoy writing at all. i know im not going to get any readers or traction within weeks or even months because my story is far removed from litrpg/gamelit/isekai, all of it. maybe if i made my blurb describing every chapter you would get it. 
+
+>>21939300
+read it and you would know why its himemonogatari. and no, the name is not inspire from the monogatari series
+--- 21939431
+>>21939413
+Well you have me there. Whatever i have im doing just fine. Depression poetry is a mug's game anyway
+--- 21939434
+>>21939413
+This is a strange question
+--- 21939439
+>>21939410
+Tfw you write a 1169 page book and realize youd have to split it up into three since the average novel doesn't go past 120k words
+--- 21939454
+>>21939439
+More books means more sales, right?
+--- 21939460
+>>21939421
+Damn. Maybe, I'm depressed.
+>>21939434
+I ask because I'm moody too. 
+>>21939431
+I'm from the poetry thread too btw. I didn't expect to see you here. I see people here gave you a better critique than I did, and now I feel incompetent.
+--- 21939464
+I'm currently doing some writing, and I was wondering about the usage of "you" in a novel. It's sort of a story about making a story, and in the beginning, I do "talk to the audience" a little bit, but it's only in the opening line. Would using "you" in this instance seem strange? I rewrote it using "he" for the second one, but they're both supposed to be the reasoning for why a character said something.
+--- 21939499
+>>21939464
+You could try one
+>The same way one would've told a child they could do anything
+It is more impersonal and an authorial voice, which is the same reason you would use you.
+But, if it is being used to as a voice for the character in question, I'd use he.
+--- 21939517
+>>21939426
+>filtered
+how does it feel being a genius in your own mind?
+--- 21939529
+>>21939410
+So did your MC slay an orc and find the magical gem of power?
+--- 21939530
+>>21939426
+Either you are not asking for feedback in good faith or you're actually mentally ill, but that is not how a summary or title works. Even the best authors cannot get away with that when there are piles of shit to wade through to find a good story. Unironically titling it and having the summary as "Read it and see" is more attractive than whatever you have going on. I hope to be as delusional as you someday to think that people should read my stories without giving them any reason to. 
+>t. one of the original anons who gave you feedback
+--- 21939531
+>>21939305
+Sounds like you're writing a lot of different stories (since 305 reviews would be insanely high for just 1). That might be your issue.
+
+How bad is 'bad' for the Patreon? What's your highest single story follower count?
+
+Typically the most basic requirement is a long, ongoing story with a decent amount of chapters in advance for Patreon. Basically, more info needed to diagnose your issue.
+--- 21939544
+>>21939499
+>>21939464
+"You" conveys a familial warm tone, not bad necessarily
+--- 21939579
+>>21939530
+you didnt give me feedback, you just said my blurb sucks and to change it without even taking in the bigger picture. im not going to listen to someone who read one sentence and immediately disregarded it, nor do i want a reader like that to stick around. yor complaints go in a separate pile. 
+>delusional as you someday to think that people should read my stories without giving them any reason to.
+is reading for the sake of it a foreign concept in your mind? reading because you like to read, whether it be quality or trash? i like to. so yeah maybe i am the mentality ill schizo whos delusional enough to make something like this
+--- 21939633
+>>21939266
+2anime4me
+--- 21939635
+Here's a life lesson. Being a cantankerous ass does no one any favors. It doesn't help you, it doesn't help the people around you. Matter of fact it actively drives them away. Pitching a fucking fit is childish, clown behavior.
+>you just said my blurb sucks and to change it without even taking in the bigger picture
+Here's the bigger picture. I am a potential reader. I read your blurb. I move on without reading any further. If you have some super clever concept maybe try and make your blurb clever instead of chatgpt tier.
+--- 21939642
+>>21939633
+It's so anime it even starts off like FLCL. And hell I'll wager that's where you got it from.
+>Boring day
+>Girl from the sky
+>Magical powers to save the world from boring days
+--- 21939644
+>>21939579
+>Why should we, the potential readers, care about your protagonist in particular? There must be some reason, otherwise you wouldn't bother writing your story, right? Name the protag in your synopsis. Talk about the traits that make him stand out and the aspects of your story that make it unique among millions of others.
+I gave you concrete feedback on how to improve your summary, you lobotomite. I was even kind about it. 
+>reading because you like to read, whether it be quality or trash? 
+My time on this earth is finite and I find it an act of aggression that you would waste my time with something you admit is not of quality. 
+May God be with your story, because the readers will not.
+--- 21939679
+>>21939635
+then youre not my type of reader. and if trying to explain to you how i view it is throwing a fit then i mightve well not said anything to spare ourselves from this misunderstanding
+>>21939644
+if God's the only one reading it then so be it
+--- 21939807
+>>21938157 (OP)
+How do you write trickster-style villains well? Ones like Loki.
+--- 21939856
+>>21939807
+By example.
+look at the myths of Loki or Coyote, stories of Fae are also a good source. Then try to understand how they act and recreate that in a character.
+Are your tricksters ones with a purpose? Or do they play tricks just for fun. Questions like this are what you need to ask.
+--- 21939863
+>>21939807
+>protag stops at an inn for the night
+>comely young woman comes over and starts flirting
+>things get amorous and he brings her upstairs
+>wild passionate sex
+>next morning the protag is woken up and that sweet, svelte young thing pulls off her mask
+>omg it's the villain!
+>steals your protag's money and now he's a fag
+--- 21939882
+>>21939464
+Your bigger problem is your usage of "one" rendering your sentence incomprehensible.
+--- 21939890
+>>21939807
+Loki isn't actually a trickster god, he's just a piece of shit, which is what makes him interesting as a character. Odin took him into his family of gods despite Loki being a giant (the enemies of the gods), and the gods go to bat to save him from his fuckups on multiple occasions and he just decides to murder all of them.
+--- 21939942
+>>21939882
+how is it wrong? Genuine question.
+--- 21939947
+>>21939863
+hot desu
+--- 21939963
+>>21939234
+You seem like a jolly fellow. Can you give me a title to read that you've written? I actually want to see some of your work. Don't get me wrong I'm just interested.
+--- 21939965
+>>21939942
+It's not. Other anon is just dumb.
+--- 21939975
+>>21939863
+HOODWINKED
+--- 21939996
+>>21939635
+You sound so fucking entitled holy shit man.
+No matter what "criticism" you claim to give, your entire argument boils down to being a dictator of quality and genre.
+Just because you don't like someone's style or developing skill doesn't mean your input is necessary. At this point you should just let people be because you're not impressing anyone or providing constructive feedback. 
+Who hurt you? Did someone hit too close to home when they said your book was shit or something? You seem to have really let it eat at you, man.
+--- 21940007
+>>21939942
+When someone tells you something you did is dumb but don't provide why you can safely disregard it. It doesn't hurt to think about it a bit but generally that kind of criticism is worthless because most of the time you'll never know and they expect you to read their minds.
+--- 21940009
+>>21939996
+NTA and I'm not really following this drama closely, but from what I remember of the series of events it was "why is my novel so unpopular", then some anon responded that the summary was generic and boring, which got a reply of "lol filtered".
+
+Which, honestly, is about as retarded of a response as possible. Especially for the animeshit the story looks like. It's not some literary masterpiece. (Though, didn't read; indeed, summary was generic and boring)
+--- 21940017
+>>21939996
+this is the blurb you're defending >>21939275
+just so you know
+kindness isn't helpful when people actually need help
+--- 21940022
+what’s with semicolons: i’ve seen them used in lieu of a comma with a coordinating conjunction, used in a very complex sentence with a coordinating conjunction instead of a comma in order to lessen the confusion, and used as it is now, connecting two dependent clauses together. Is there some kind of rule regarding their use that isn’t apparent to me?
+--- 21940030
+>>21940009
+I'm kind of surprised at how childish some of the guys in this thread are. The other day someone was saying how children's story writers will be completely replaced by AI. 
+I've seen good advice but more often than not it's usually some super critical self-proclaimed Fletcher from Whiplash. 
+It can be entertaining but the narcissism doesn't help.
+--- 21940032
+>>21938678
+pussy. I bet you're the type who whines up about constructive criticism because "you didn't ask for it"
+--- 21940036
+>>21940017
+He can improve on it without your antagonism.
+You're not helping him at all.
+--- 21940037
+>>21940022
+Literally a google question.
+Dunno if I can give a textbook definition, but they replace a period to link closely related clauses.
+e.g. "It was sweltering outside; I turned down the thermostat."
+--- 21940047
+>>21940032
+I was thinking the same thing. If people are actually taking the time of day to comment on his shit then maybe he should look at it without getting so defensive and try to see where they're coming from. Then again sometimes people comment and complain about singular chapters without taking into account what it's all leading up to.
+--- 21940060
+>>21940022
+I was always taught that you use semicolons to separate complex clauses in long sentences/ lists where a comma might be more confusing, like in the text of a law or something.
+--- 21940063
+YOUR STORY'S THEME, NOW.
+--- 21940065
+>>21940063
+>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMaKOxWaGfg&list=RDGMaKOxWaGfg&start_radio=1 [Embed]
+--- 21940073
+>>21940063
+i write erotica about girls with dicks plowing other girls. what's the theme there?
+--- 21940078
+>>21940073
+>https://youtu.be/0LwcvjNJTuM?t=279 [Embed]
+--- 21940081
+I like smut.
+It's an entirely valid genre.
+You can't prove otherwise.
+--- 21940082
+>>21940063
+>revenge on others bad
+>one can also get revenge on themselves by way of separating their current/ "good" self from their past/ "bad" self and inflicting sadistic self-flagellation on their bad other half as a demented form of catharsis
+>this is also bad and you shouldn't do it
+cringe or acceptable?
+--- 21940101
+>>21940082
+>revenge on others bad
+sounds like slave morality
+--- 21940113
+>>21940101
+Revenge on others is only delayed revenge on yourself. Its like setting off a rube goldberg machine that eventually just shoots a gun at your head. Or at least thats the impression I get reading norse mythology.
+--- 21940115
+>>21940063
+Free will is real on a cosmic level, but the circumstances of ones life can cut down the actual options you can pick from.
+--- 21940117
+>>21940022
+Their main function in modern usage is to connect two closely connected independent clauses:
+>He was like a brother to me; until that last, black hour, he never left my side.
+
+They can also be used (more often in technical or academic writing) to punctuate lists in which elements of the list themselves contain commas:
+>His eyes -- I see them now -- had the weariness of a much older man; the glitter of one who has seen distant lands and strange seas; and the gentle, unwavering compassion that I have found in no one else.
+
+Older writing would sometimes use them to set off dependent clauses in complex sentences:
+>This is the face I still see before me, and sometimes I wish I could banish the vision of that revenant, of those unblinking eyes, which look back at me through the gauze of memory; because that look of accusation, of trust betrayed, burns too bright and too deep into my conscience.
+--- 21940118
+>>21940063
+Redemption
+--- 21940125
+>>21939305
+you sir are a liar.
+There is no lit-rpg story on RR with the statistics you mentioned.
+You are either lying about your time writing on the site. Stubbed your work to publish it or that picture is someone elses.
+--- 21940140
+>>21940063
+Environmentalism
+--- 21940144
+>>21940113
+sounds like the priest caste trying to keep people in line. ie slave morality
+--- 21940149
+>>21940144
+what are you talking about
+--- 21940154
+>>21940125
+Those are from the author dashboard, which aggregates all story stats, not a single. probably, it's split across several to many stories (which makes sense, since 305 reviews is absurd for 1 fiction)
+t. another rr author
+--- 21940156
+>>21940149
+I'm saying that the stories they tell (mythology) are designed in order to steer morality in a direction that is advantageous to the ruling class and disadvantageous to the peasant class.
+--- 21940159
+>>21940063
+Hair >>21937060 →
+--- 21940163
+>>21940156
+Norse culture was exceedingly pro-revenge. But all of their stories are also tragedies about great men killed by revenge. It wasn't meant to persuade anyone one way or the other, its just that it happened so frequently and evoked so many intense emotions that they wrote stories about it.
+--- 21940750
+>>21937750 →
+It's not the number of readers these magazines have, it's the nature of those readers, i.e. publishing industry types and those in their orbit.
+It's a great way to get their attention.
+>>21937942 →
+Found the Groomer(D).
+>>21937954 →
+"Everyone really feels this way but won't admit it" is one of the classic signs of a sociopath.
+>>21937949 →
+The same people think these kids are mature enough to choose to surgically mutilate themselves.
+--- 21940978
+F Gardner has made /lit/ history again and wrote a fucking Choose Your Own Adventure book.
+--- 21941017
+>>21939942
+What are you trying to say? It makes no sense whatsoever. First part of the sentence, you are saying somethign to a child and then you have two clauses each starting with "one."
+
+Do you mean "one", "two" or something like that, as in you're trying to make two points? Your sentence makes no sense at all. Or are you talking to two children???
+
+It's completely incomprehensible.
+--- 21941035
+>>21940156
+Which is my point. Hes claiming hes only been on the platform for 12 months, but if those metrics are from other stories then he's quite clearly misrepresenting his stories success.
+Would be interesting to see if he actually has the balls to show the real metrics of the story he's complaining about not getting enough patrons for.
+--- 21941043
+>>21941035
+Big whoops!
+>was meant to reply to >>21940154
+--- 21941048
+>>21941017
+wow this is hysterical. esl?
+--- 21941074
+>>21940978
+>hurr durr i made a poopie it's so historic
+--- 21941099
+This is how to modify a sentence. (1)
+--- 21941105
+This is how to write coordinate cumulative sentences (2)
+--- 21941110
+This is how to write subordinate cumulative sentences (3)
+--- 21941120
+This is how to write a mixed pattern (4). I will share more knowledge later, such as suspensive forms and paragraph construction, perhaps more, if anons want to read and discuss and argue.
+--- 21941131
+>>21940163
+Gaiman had a fun take on the "man price", it was both a statement that all life has value and an acknowledgement that murders are still going to happen.
+--- 21941166
+>>21941048
+Are you retarded?
+--- 21941197
+>>21940063
+I think depth is boring, so it doesn't have one.
+--- 21941207
+I want to write a story about a pastor who truly believes in God and wants to preach His message and do good, but has extreme sexual fantasies and desires. He lives with a guilty conscience and is afraid of God while at the same time reveling in defying Him, at least in his head.
+Things take a turn for the worse when he is sent to Mexico with His uncle, and discovers that his beloved uncle, an important member of his church, is a complete monster who is involved in a giant child sex trafficking ring. 
+It feels like an idea to ambitious for me. Rate and Hate.
+
+*************************************
+
+Uncle Roy always said that God lives through the eyes of His creation and acts through the hands that praise Him. After all these years, I still don't understand what my existence says about Him. I don't dare ask anyone. Not the people who come to church trusting that I will bring them closer to the loving and just creator of the universe, not the board of elders that have agreed to give me a chance to preach at the biggest temple the church owns, not even uncle Roy, who raised me as if I were his own son. This is something that only God knows.
+
+Only He knows why my mind is constantly flooded with abhorrent plans and luscious images of pain. Horrendous feelings that become stronger when I look at the tearful faces of my devoted congregation. I could lock those thoughts way, but I don't. With each second that passes I see deeper and deeper into a darkness that exists within. I can feel His eagerness to test me, His contempt.
+
+My uncle is driving me through an impoverished community in central Mexico. I'm here to complete the last step in the bureaucratic process the board makes every "rising star" undertake. I look out the window into the endless, dreary corn fields and I feel evil. Unrepentantly merciless. I tune into the sensibilities of the Marquis De Sade and allow myself to dream of sensory overload, of uncontrollable excesses, of a bleak reality in which there are no barriers of any sort left between me and naked desire.
+
+I dream impossible things. Bizarre events, blood curling scenarios.
+
+God knows. Thankfully, He is silent.
+--- 21941218
+>>21941017
+You are ESL. You can say "one" colloquially to refer to the subject or object of the previous phrase. I went to the store and looked for a hat -- one that could block the sun. Dumbfuck.
+--- 21941234
+>>21941207
+You switch from formal to informal here. This doesn't sound like a guy who would say "don't dare", "biggest temple", or "rising star".
+"Uncle Roy" should be capitalized.
+"With each second that passes" needs a comma after it.
+You don't mean "blood curling", you mean "bloodcurdling".
+You should have an "and" before the last element of the list in the first paragraph.
+
+Fix all those and it isn't bad, but "the church is bad and priests are evil" is a little overdone. If he struggled with himself and exposed and ruined his uncle, that might be compelling.
+--- 21941250
+>>21941234
+Thanks anon, I appreciate it.
+>the church is bad and priests are evil" is a little overdone
+It's not actually the whole church, it's only his uncle and a few locals. I want to paint the protagonist as a good religious person that maybe was born "bad" in some ways.
+>If he struggled with himself and exposed and ruined his uncle, that might be compelling.
+That's precisely what I'm going for. The kid struggles and never gives in, but in the end he pays a horrible, horrible price for it.
+--- 21941313
+>>21941035
+I have a few stories that got popular, yeah. Not really complaining about the patreon desu, my writing style just wasn't optimized for it because am noob. 
+
+At least for now. Will have to see if I can crack the code
+--- 21941358
+>>21941250
+Are you saying he is eventually punished for behaving properly? If so, that doesn't sound great unless he himself did something wrong along the way warranting that punishment.
+--- 21941371
+I submitted my first short story to a publication. I can't wait to pop my rejection cherry.
+--- 21941388
+>>21941358
+Well.
+
+>The uncle gets a girl kidnapped and takes her to the protagonist, showing him that he is completely untouchable and that the protagonist can do whatever he wants without repercussions
+>The uncle gets kiled by the protagonist with a pistol. He shoots his uncle through the skull instantly killing him in a fit of righteous rage and disbelief
+>The girl storms out of the building hysterically begging for help
+>An angry mob forms and storms the building, they find the protagonist and his uncle, dead
+>They don't let the protagonist explain anything, and they lynch him
+>The protagonist, beaten to shit and half conscious, is tied to a street lamp and doused with gasoline. The corpse of his uncle is also dragged out, chained and doused
+>The last thing the protagonists sees before burning is his dead uncle, who has escaped the punishment the protagonist is receiving, and the girl he saved, screaming and crying
+
+I want to invoke christian imagery. You know, somehow have this story be an allegory to the crucifixion of christ while at the same time showing a completely unfair, pessimistic outcome that makes you wonder why God would allow any of this.
+The guy did a great thing in the end, but he gets punished worse than the uncle who merely dies and who was much more evil than the protagonist.
+--- 21941419
+Why is mere kidnap rewarded with such brutality? Helen of Troy was stolen away and at least in love with or at best just banging Paris. What’s so special about this girl.
+--- 21941459
+>>21941388
+Yeah, that works. As long as he knows he did the right thing and it's better this way.
+--- 21941473
+>>21941419
+NTA, but Mexico, I don't feel the need to explain any further than that.
+--- 21941487
+>>21941419
+Was the Trojan War not brutal?
+--- 21941490
+>>21939529
+I said midget, not dwarf.
+--- 21941493
+>>21941487
+Yeah, that’s what I mean, at least there was sufficient motivation for brutal war and action. 
+>>21941473
+Kek
+--- 21941519
+https://pasteio.com/xcBAKHm9qP9Q
+
+Would anyone like to comment on chapter 2 of my fantasy book?
+
+
+if you want chapter 1 it is here:
+https://pasteio.com/x7toHNumtseU
+--- 21941526
+>>21941519
+
+No, /wg/ hates high fantasy and dismisses it all as "anime writing".
+
+Remember, you're on 4chan, so everyone here is contrarian, so despite high fantasy being probably the most popular genre in the world, everyone will find something to shit on you for here, regardless of the actual quality of your writing.
+--- 21941527
+>>21941526
+Please
+--- 21941552
+>>21941526
+It's like you went through a checklist and deliberately made everything wrong. Legolas defending at Helm's Deep is high fantasy. Legolas pulling out hos bow Moonshot the Orc Impaler and seven arrows as he performed the impossible Seven Arrowed Moonshot Doomshot and shoots all the orcs is anime writing.
+Anyway, the most popular genre is romance, followed by mystery.
+--- 21941557
+>>21941552
+
+I'll Moonshot your anus anon
+--- 21941561
+>>21941519
+your first chapter really does get worse every time you rewrite it
+--- 21941593
+>>21941561
+:( 
+I don't even remember how I wrote it the first time.
+--- 21941664
+>>21941519
+Too tongue in cheek for my tastes anon, but at least it makes sense.
+--- 21941745
+>Author cuts back on posting weekly so they can stock their patreon.
+>Consistently lies about the reason for delays.
+>Wonders why they are getting low ratings.
+Its fine if you wanna just put shit behind a paywall, however you have no right to complain when you lie about readers getting mad with how your doing it.
+--- 21941802
+>>21941099
+>>21941105
+>>21941110
+>>21941120
+Personal thoughts or notes? I have no formal education, forgive a retard
+Fix your penmanship it or write slower. It's legible but comfortable to read would be nice if you want people to actually read with you
+I don't respect your notes very much. Justification or explanation would go a long way for having me invest and engage with this. Things like: use case, effect, limitations, personal opinion and experience with these forms, etc
+--- 21941811
+>>21940063
+REVENGE and AUTISM.
+--- 21941818
+>>21940063
+THE DIFFICULTY OF PROPERLY COMMUNICATING ONES FEELINGS, THE INEVITABLE DETERIORATION OF RELATIONSHIPS WITHOUT PROPER CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE PARTIES INVOLVED AND THE USE OF THE CREATIVE PROCESS A MEANS OF EXPRESSING ONES FEELINGS TO ANOTHER PERSON, SIR!
+--- 21941835
+>character is trained to plan well and plan often before they go do violence
+>they don't do that and would be in a very shit position if their actual target for violence came across them and instead they locate a helpful character by accident because they didn't plan well
+>realize that they fucked up and how badly things could have gone 
+>this time they plan well and intend to try and take the advantage away from their foe through said planning 
+>spend several pages going into detail about their plan as it is put into action to show the reader the difference between when the character actually follows their training versus just being arrogant and thinking they don't need to
+
+Would you be willing to put up with reading several pages of detail in this manner? I am sort of recreating the final preparations that Arnie makes in Predator. It's not the same scenario, just giving a comparison to in these pages we see the character using their head and planning for every contingency as best as they can versus just rushing into it and almost getting killed. In most books I read, I rarely see anyone go into tactics and planning. It's most just hand waving and generalities over a few sentences. My intent is to show the character in question is actually smart and resourceful when they apply themselves rather than just going, "And then the trap was sprung and Xorblath the Barbarian was slain."

lit/21938245.txt

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+-----
+--- 21938245
+Russia is known for literary classics
+Germany is known for modern philosophy
+France is known for smut and pomo shit
+what about USA?
+--- 21938251
+>>21938245 (OP)
+This is a retarded and reductive view.
+--- 21938254
+>>21938245 (OP)
+I agree with the first anon but to answer your question. Hamburger prose.
+--- 21938259
+>>21938245 (OP)
+>the transcendental poets
+>hemingway, stein, wolfe,
+>a couple of autistic 1000 page books from the 80s that only /lit/ reads
+>a lot of things written by black people or about black people that the jews make us read in school
+I think thats about it, plus some minor figures like philip roth, raymond carver, zane grey that kind of thing
+--- 21938260
+>>21938254
+>hamburger prose
+Hemmingway?
+--- 21938262
+>>21938259
+>wolfe
+no one gives a shit about him
+--- 21938264
+>>21938262
+thomas wolfe or gene wolfe?
+--- 21938269
+Freedom and decay.
+--- 21938271
+>>21938260
+Hemingway is like an expensive hamburger. Still a hamburger but just a bit better for you.
+--- 21938276
+>>21938262
+Look Homeward, Angel is a very good novel, though
+--- 21938286
+>>21938245 (OP)
+>what about USA?
+It is known for giving us this godforsaken place where we shitpost about the other three.
+--- 21938302
+>>21938245 (OP)
+Faulkner and Poe are the USA's two most important literary exports
+--- 21938335
+>>21938245 (OP)
+MFA family drama novels
+--- 21938347
+unironically sci-fi, i like american sci-fi
+--- 21938350
+>>21938245 (OP)
+Anything the french are known for outside fiction, the germans cover and build upon. Would anyone disagree with this sentiment?
+--- 21938351
+>>21938251
+Every country is known for something that's what makes cultures distinct faggot
+--- 21938354
+>>21938347
+Yeah that and Russian. No one else seems to have it down like they did.
+--- 21938359
+>>21938245 (OP)
+Okay, twist my arm, I agree France has the best literature.
+--- 21938361
+>>21938354
+I heard a russoanon say that sci-fi was basically the only readable lit of the soviet era due to censors and policies.
+--- 21938364
+>>21938359
+What stuff is there besides Hugo and Dumas? Is it more of the same?
+--- 21938406
+>>21938302
+Faulkner has to be the most overrated author of all. It’s Poe, Hawthorne, Melville, and perhaps James.
+--- 21938408
+Rustic gothic novels about puritans, fishermen, and western scalp hunters. You forgot Spain and Britain though.
+--- 21938426
+>>21938245 (OP)
+Known for mcdonald's and interracial porn
+--- 21938440
+>>21938364
+All the surrealists and symbolists
+--- 21938446
+>>21938302
+>>21938406
+Pynchonsisters...our response?
+--- 21938447
+>>21938440
+Some specific names? I don't read paintings.
+--- 21938451
+>>21938447
+I intentionally neglected to provide specific names
+--- 21938456
+>>21938451
+Looking through wikipedia for these movements. Getting a whole lot of artsy fartsy I could just get from the Germans.
+--- 21938548
+>>21938245 (OP)
+Isn't K.D. Walter American?
+--- 21938555
+>>21938245 (OP)
+Id say probably press with the whole Hemingway influence on reporting. Add Hunter Thompsons influence on the content of reporting as well.
+--- 21938597
+Pragmatism, Free Verse and a few great prose authors.
+--- 21938614
+>>21938245 (OP)
+BNWO literature
+--- 21938695
+>>21938245 (OP)
+Horror and Gothic stories. We invented Cosmic horror and basically the entire pulp genre.
+--- 21938763
+>>21938302
+>>21938406
+I gave a lecture about American literature to Russians in Russia (the lecture was in English) and the were all fans of Twain, Poe, Hemingway and Philip K Dick. Before the lecture started several members of the audience actually asked me if I was going to talk about PKD, and that made me really surprised and happy because he's my favorite modern author, I expected that they had never heard about him, and he was the last author featured in my presentation.
+--- 21938792
+>>21938763
+Poe has mass appeal and is probably the best poet America has ever produced. But the gothicism of Poe is almost unrecognizable in modern America.
+--- 21938793
+>>21938251
+Welcome to /lit/
+--- 21938827
+>>21938792
+Also, I didn't mention Faulkner, Fitzgerald or Steinbeck and none of them gave a shit.
+--- 21938834
+>>21938245 (OP)
+Capitalist cold war era literature is actually pretty good, before negrofication. Very methodical and easy to understand.
+--- 21938879
+modern philosophy started with a french guy named rene descartes in case you didnt know
+And the USA is know for their retarded interpretations of contemporary french philosophy. The USA is the actual smut and pomo shit mostly. 
+XX century french is known for further elaborating the culmination of german modern philosophy (Hegel, Marx and Nietzsche, Kant being obviously always present) going throught Heidegger and everything that was influenced by russian formalism. This is why their works are so hard to get throught at first without good secondary texts, but they are just a mirror of how chaotic and complex our historic situation. There are unironical genius thinkers there. 
+For some reason the anglo world just had a big hatred towards this which resulted on some of the germans and frenchs taking a deffensive edgy attitude too at the time but now (since the last 30 years or so?) both "teams" seem to be growing out of that childish phase.
+But the USA just never got the french stuff right, they just turned it in some sort of general "let's just say whatever we want about anything!" pathos. My guess is that, for example, everyone must have been reading Anti-Oedipus and A Thousend Plateaus by D&G and thinking rhizome just means doing dumb and irrelevant free asociations, because no one must have been reading Deleuze's solo work before, just because it doesnt sound as "cool" and edgy.
+--- 21939209
+>>21938245 (OP)
+>what about USA?
+I drive
+--- 21939215
+>>21938276
+ah I thought you meant the meme writer
+--- 21939216
+>>21938406
+>James
+God no. He's awful.
+--- 21939619
+>>21938245 (OP)
+>France is known for smut and pomo shit
+If you only know what Twitter retards tell you, sure. There's more to France than Foucault and Bataille.
+--- 21939741
+>>21938245 (OP)
+The true American style was at some point considered to be Jazz. So I think the US is known for it's beatniks.
+--- 21939752
+as a greek, I found this kinographic. very visceral and true.
+--- 21939753
+>>21938446
+pynchon is a silver spoon sissy
+--- 21939757
+>>21939215
+That's because you're a retard who needs to read more than 20 books. Thank you for outing yourself as a fucking pseud, dimwit.
+--- 21939764
+>>21939757
+I forgot Thomas Wolfe even existed (as did most of the world). Relax, faggot.
+--- 21939773
+>>21939764
+>t. pleb 
+Sounds about right. Stick to genre schlock
+--- 21939774
+>>21938245 (OP)
+As a non-American, when I think of American literature I think of three things first :
+
+>the Melvilles and the Thoreaus of the tradition
+>the intellectually and physically inbred jewish NYC new left types who can spend decades jerking each other off without ever getting bored with it
+>those weird novels you see on amazon and goodreads that are written by latinos, negroes, self-hating whites, asian immigrants, etc. that are all about how much they hate living in america and nothing else
+--- 21939780
+>>21939773
+>Stick to genre schlock
+I read literary works. Do you think 20th century burger literature is all that exists? Obnoxious nigger.
+--- 21939787
+>>21939753
+>>21939774
+
+uh....pynchon sempais...our response?
+--- 21939799
+>>21939780
+>gets called out for not even knowing Wolfe
+>collapses into damage control 
+>I-i-i read literary works 
+Kek imagine not even knowing wolfe yet you consider yourself reading “literary works.” Pretty pathetic frankly
+--- 21939833
+>>21939799
+>not even knowing Wolfe
+That never happened. I thought you meant the other amerinigger writer of the same name that your ilk memes here all the time. I knew what you were talking about the moment you mentioned Look Homeward, Angel.
+>Kek imagine not even knowing wolfe yet you consider yourself reading “literary works.”
+I do know him but Amerinigger literature is not all I read. Are you even aware that literary works exist outside your country? In any case, both Wolfes are not well-known outside the US. Most people into literature outside burgerland have never read either of them.
+--- 21939859
+>>21938763
+Well, Russians read all kinds of literature, it’s one of the most literate and well read nations on earth. Should be expected of them to know at least European and american literature. 
+I don’t understand why burgers are surprised by that
+--- 21939870
+>>21938245 (OP)
+the western novel and film.
+--- 21939876
+>>21938245 (OP)
+>Russia is known for literary classics
+Russia's average iq is lower than America, let alone the actual smart cultures.
+--- 21939888
+>>21939876
+IQ literally doesn’t matter past 100. 
+>ooohhhh so you like uhhhhhh good at math and stuff if you’re above 100!!!! And uh…. The higher the better!!!
+--- 21939895
+>>21939833
+> I knew what you were talking about the moment you mentioned Look Homeward, Angel
+Hahahah nice cope, retard
+--- 21939904
+>>21939888
+Russia doesn't hit 100 thoughever
+--- 21940034
+>>21939888
+at about 100 people are still incapable of being thinking about more than shallow conceptst
+--- 21940180
+>>21938245 (OP)
+Marvel movies, Rights without responsibilities, and warehouse stores with SUV-sized shopping carts where you ring up your groceries yourself and they don't let you leave until you allow them to inspect your cart and ensure you are not stealing.
+
+In b4 "stay mad, Europoor"; I'm Floridian
+--- 21940239
+>>21939895
+Cope for what? Can you even understand subtext? See: >>21939215
+--- 21940513
+>>21938695
+I let this slip my mind, yeah, America has soul after all.
+--- 21940591
+>>21938245 (OP)
+transcendentalism and pragmatism
+--- 21940646
+>>21938251
+First day here?
+--- 21940770
+>>21938245 (OP)
+known for ingesting as many jews as it could get from Europe
+--- 21940775
+>>21938364
+not him, but Pascal and Descartes are pretty good
+--- 21940779
+>>21938245 (OP)
+USA is the first country that comes to mind when I think about pomo
+--- 21940816
+>>21938251
+--- 21940901
+>>21938245 (OP)
+McMeanings
+--- 21940931
+>>21939876
+That average iq list is proven to be fake
+--- 21941056
+>>21938361
+honestly pretty true. A lot of americans derided soviet scifi since they thought it would be super pro-USSR but that couldn't have been further from the truth. Currently reading Hard to be a God, good stuff so far. The Strugatsky Bros were genuinely some of the best scifi writers of the 20th century.

lit/21938278.txt

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+-----
+--- 21938278
+> Tolkien hated allegor...ACK!
+--- 21938395
+>>21938278 (OP)
+allegortor bros...
+--- 21938437
+>>21938278 (OP)
+tolkien-hated-allegory sisters...our response?
+--- 21938438
+LOTR is a WW2 allegory and Tolkien denying it doesn't matter.
+--- 21938495
+>>21938438
+prophecy*
+--- 21938918
+>>21938278 (OP)
+leaf by what now?
+--- 21940442
+>page 11
+--- 21940472
+>>21938278 (OP)
+>>21938438
+>IT'S ONE THING OR THE OTHER, EITHER HIS ENTIRE WORK IS AN ALLEGORY OR NOTHING IS
+One book can be an allegory while another book of his isn't. Faggots.
+--- 21940515
+>>21938918
+Perfect reaction pic
+--- 21941080
+I'm reading lotr for the first time. A question for any tolkien scholars. What do the three races represent? I read like hobbits represent the desire physical pleasure, men the desire for power and acquisition, and elves as the desire of creativity and play. Or did they represent geographical areas?
+--- 21941096
+>>21941080
+>three races
+There are more than three. There are hobbits, dwarves, elves, men, orcs, etc. I don't think they represent anything specific. They are amalgamations of different things.
+--- 21941177
+>>21941080
+They represent nothing.
+--- 21941271
+>>21941080
+The dwarven creation myth is vaguely semitic, but the races arent really representative of anything specific. Tolkien is not free of unconcious influences, and the works were not written in a vacuum but i dont theres much here
+--- 21941350
+>>21941080
+There's more than 3 races, and they don't represent shit. If anything, elves and men are the representatives of the Themes of the Great Music.

lit/21938400.txt

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+-----
+--- 21938400
+is there anything Landmark editions can't do? is there a reason to get anything else?
+--- 21938407
+>>21938400 (OP)
+Can the Landmark editions give you head? CAN THEY?
+--- 21938450
+>>21938400 (OP)
+They're usually serviceable translations, but not the best, so close study isn't rewarded so much.
+--- 21938901
+>>21938450
+At that point just read the originals faggot
+--- 21938926
+>>21938901
+that's why you get one Landmark, one Loeb
+--- 21938936
+>>21938400 (OP)
+Yes. They only have five books.
+--- 21938941
+Landmark Plutarch is only a dream. Literally humans are too shit to make it a thing. Thank fuck we got the other ones.
+--- 21939661
+>>21938400 (OP)
+If you like shit translations, maybe. 
+>>21938926
+Loebs are even worse.
+--- 21939932
+>>21938400 (OP)
+I found them useful for study but clunky to read
+If I was reading one of the works for enjoyment I'd probably read a different translation
+--- 21939973
+>>21939661
+Loebs are a tool for students and lay people to better understand the language. They are more convenient than working from an Oxford edition with a dictionary.
+--- 21939979
+>>21939661
+>If you like shit translations, maybe.
+Their Herodotus is pretty good.
+--- 21939985
+I use it for clarification while I read in the original latin/Greek. Bow before me /lit/plebs
+--- 21939988
+>>21938936
+Six, actually. Anabasis came out in 2021 but it seems their website hasn't updated that information. It's still in the "forthcoming" section (upper right corner).
+--- 21940319
+>>21938450
+Only true for Thucydides and (to a lesser extent) Herodotus. The translations they commissioned for Arrian, Xenophon, and Caesar are all first-rate.
+--- 21940330
+>>21940319
+Their Herodotus is one of the best translations in print.
+--- 21940340
+>>21940330
+Their Herodotus is fine; nothing wrong with it, it's just not particularly artful in a way that the later translations ended up being (the Landmark Caesar in particular is - by a significant margin - the best translation of Caesar I've read), and I don't think it's significantly better or worse than other modern translations.
+--- 21940394
+>>21940340
+>the Landmark Caesar in particular is - by a significant margin - the best translation of Caesar I've read
+Can you post an excerpt? You piqued my interest.
+--- 21941322
+bump