diff --git a/his/14984525.txt b/his/14984525.txt index 681e5e16d7c341fcb484023a01134d94b89af937..c8fd5ff1130602912a1faf6135abad1f2db9ef7a 100644 --- a/his/14984525.txt +++ b/his/14984525.txt @@ -195,3 +195,101 @@ you dont wanna know the half of it... --- 14989136 >>14984993 LOL +--- 14989381 +>>14987647 + +>who the eye witness actually is, is irreverent +>it was printed in a book! A book!!! +>trying to find out more information is not trying to get to the truth (but posting the same stormfaggot infographics over and over again is) + +Again, /his/ in 2023 everyone. +--- 14989451 +>>14987001 +>The shower gods will bless you with water if you fast, but gas you if you don't. +Did I understand that clip right? +--- 14989457 +gas takes the shape of the container, so why the hell did they need 100 shower heads to pump the gas while you can just use any single hole? +--- 14989460 +>>14984525 (OP) +--- 14989466 +>jews get to live in luxury camps with zoos and pools +>germans get to die in a trench somewhere in Russia +Masterful plan +--- 14989469 +>>14984525 (OP) +It was real in my mind +--- 14989470 +>>14989457 +This is not what they did. Prisoners thought they did it like that. In Auschwitz they threw in pellets of Zyklon B through openings in the ceiling. +--- 14989481 +>>14989470 +There are drawings of some Ukrainian prisoner from Auschwitz where he draws the gas chambers with gas coming out of showers. The majority probably imagined the process to look like that. +--- 14989502 +>>14989457 + +Stormfaggots once again demonstrating they have a child's understanding of the thing they're obsessed with. +--- 14989510 +>>14989481 + +Post the drawings and the name and role of the prisoner. +--- 14989650 +>>14984986 +Our teacher told us to make up holocaust survivor stories for our class. I am serious. +--- 14991260 +>>14986795 +It was unlikely for the average nazi to be blond but I laughed nonetheless +--- 14991274 +>>14989650 +I remember that assignment. It was an essay. I stayed up all night playing world of warcraft instead of completing it though. Many such a cases. +--- 14991282 +>>14984525 (OP) +/pol/trannies are retarded enough to believe this is a serious claim and disproves the holocaust +--- 14991303 +My great grandfather was sexually assaulted by a big titted goth SS officer who sucked him dry every night before beating him to near death. He got her pregnant one day, and then when she gave birth, she forced him to dine on their own child together. He escaped after she took him to her house for playtime, and she passed out drunk, letting him escape. Something weird is that when he escaped to America, he ended up marrying a blonde girl who supposedly looked just like the SS officer who tortured him for years, weird. +--- 14991369 +>>14991303 +--- 14991384 +>>14991369 +Based +--- 14992121 +>>14989381 +>DON'T YOU KNOW THE ODYSSEY WAS NOT WRITTEN BY HOMER, BUT BY ANOTHER ANCIENT GREEK AUTHOR OF THE SAME NAME WHO LIVED AT THE SAME TIME?!? THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING! +If you could articulate why anything about the imate's identity is important beyond the fact that he was an inmate you would've written it. The fact that you didn't is a tacit admission on your part that you're full of shit, and you know it. + +>it was printed in a book! A book!!! +The book on which, according to its introduction, the Nuremberg Trials are based. +And it's permitted to sell and advertise this book, despite the obvious blood libel it contains. Making similar claims about Jews would land you in prison in Germany. This is proof that the German state is an anarcho-tyranny that does not operate according the the rule of law, as it does not apply the law equally. + +>infographics +We keep posting them because they disprove your position, and you can't respond to them in any way other than reporting them to the jannies when you lose the argument. +--- 14992366 +Nazis killed my father by hooking him up to the masturbation machine and cockmilking him to death. I am a horrifying Jew-masturbation machine hybrid born in 1945; I can do nothing but milk cocks and hoard coins. This is the extent of Nazi cruelty. +--- 14992388 +>>14984525 (OP) +based OP making all the joomers seethe, truly a gentleman and a scholar, keep doing god's work. I salute you +--- 14992413 +>>14989510 +Can't find it one. He was just a normal prisoner. He never saw gas chambers but obviously there were a lot of rumors about them and he imagined them looking like that. +--- 14993233 +>>14985160 +Lmao, what was Hitler thinking? +--- 14993256 +>>14985160 +A zoo, really? Why would the Germans build a death camp with a zoo? +--- 14993280 +>>14986833 +Yeah yeah, that all sounds a bit unbelievable but why exactly were people put into camps, death or otherwise? Hitler doesn't come off as a very good guy if even 300.000 prisoners died somewhere where they shouldn't have been in the first place. +--- 14993323 +>>14991303 +>when she gave birth, she forced him to dine on their own child together +What did he mean by that? +--- 14993329 +>>14989381 +>>14989502 +>>14991282 +SIX GORILLIONS!! SIX!! +--- 14993372 +/his/ in 2073: +9/11 never happened. Don't fall for their lies. +--- 14993385 +Titanic never sunk. There are a ton of fake survivor testimonies. This piece of shit lied about EVERYTHING! diff --git a/his/14984868.txt b/his/14984868.txt index b74388cfdaaa04975add7ca98d39df4a586abd56..b0529649da37f98bec56c597a93505864e875ff8 100644 --- a/his/14984868.txt +++ b/his/14984868.txt @@ -270,3 +270,135 @@ The Normans invaded Greece 3 times and each time they failed spectacularly. The --- 14989286 >>14988307 By the battle of Mazikert the Christian Iberians didn't even own toledo yet. +--- 14989761 +>>14989233 +>They didn't lol, it was equal ground up til the Ottomans came. +for sure buddy kek + +>Also the Turks were dogshit fighters who rely on zerg rushing every time but shit themselves when their leader gets killed. +wow morale of a nomadic host army broke when their warrior king died + +>zerg rushing every time +what does that even mean +--- 14989771 +In the Gothic War even the byz*ntines themselves recognized that they had nothing to do with Rome anymore. And the Italians hated the shit out of them. +--- 14989807 +>>14989761 +>for sure buddy kek +Your pic is the aftermath of a literal fluke after the emperor was betrayed by his general. + +>wow morale of a nomadic host army broke when their warrior king died +A nomadic army that outnumbered the Greek one 5 to 1 and was winning the battle got buck broken because the Greek king challenged the Turkish sultan and won + +>what does that even mean +Overpowering the enemy through sheer numbers +--- 14989817 +>>14989771 +The byzos were fine with forgetting the west aside a nomimal recognition of supremacy by the germ kings even before Justinian. +It's really just him andhis autistic obsession of holding Rome like he was playing some Paradox map painting game. Impressive how a single man with a specific goal in the right place in the right timeframe can lead to a dramatic shift in history. +--- 14989826 +>>14989145 +>>His army was largely built of mercenaries IIRC + +>The army consisted of about 5000 Byzantine troops from the western provinces, and probably about the same number from the eastern provinces; 500 Franks and Normans mercenaries under Roussel de Bailleul; some Turkish, Bulgarian, and Pecheneg mercenaries; infantry under the duke of Antioch; a contingent of Armenian troops; and some (but not all) of the Varangian Guard. +--- 14991109 +>>14985483 +It’s true you dumb gayreek. Go seethe about Constantinople +--- 14991175 +>>14984868 (OP) +>The Romans had slowly whittled away and defeated the Arabs in the previous centuries +1. Byzantines are not "Romans", they are Greeks since the 7th century. +2. Byzantine/Eastern "Roman" reversal of fortune was due to the same opportunism and openings they took advantage of against the Abbasid Caliphate which by the late 700s and early 800s was beset by many major uprisings, revolts, balkanization of its territories, and the Caliph's power increasingly weakened by independent emirs (governors). +3. The Fatamids taking most of Northern Africa and particularly Egypt and the Buyids, Samanids, and Tahirids along with other Persian/Iranian dynasties in former Sassanian territories pincered a lot of income, manpower, and resources from the Caliphate in Baghdad +4. As soon as internal threats were gone, Byzantine progress and recovery was reversed +5. Thereby claiming Manzikert was somehow the final nail in the coffin for restoration of the empire or its survival is nonsensical +--- 14992051 +>>14991175 +>Byzantines are not "Romans", they are Greeks since the 7th century. +Why do you say that? +--- 14992226 +>>14988307 +During the Komnenian Restoration the Byzantines had their own mini-Reconquista, where they retook most of the more valuable regions and cities. + +Even post-Fourth Crusade the Empire of Nicaea held the anatolian frontlines stable and in an alternative history it is conceivable that they might have finished the full reconquest after the Rum Seljuk Sultanate imploded. +--- 14992232 +>>14992226 +The Komnenian Empire was a hybridized version of Western European feudalism and the old Roman imperial system which makes it barbaroi cringe. +--- 14992293 +>>14992051 +>didnt hold rome +>didnt speak latin +>different political system (introduction of themes) + +essentially the only thing they could claim was that they were he successor to eastern rome empire and had continuity, but other than that they were not roman in pretty much any sense + +this is why they are the byzantines, not eastern rome +--- 14992303 +>>14992293 +By this logic the Roman Republic fails to meet one of your arbitrary criteria +--- 14992328 +>>14992293 +The Roman Empire as a political entity detached itself from the city of Rome long before the West even fell. +--- 14992489 +>>14984868 (OP) +>>14984912 + +> Manzikert was a 1 in 100 perfect storm fluke victory for the Turks that completely changed the course of history. + +No, it absolutely did not. +The Turks did jack shit after Manzikert, and kept attacking the Caucasus and Egypt. + +It was the imbecile Byzies starting a 30 year fucking set of civil wars that changed the course of history. + +For fucks sake the fucking eunuch whorefucks literally invited Turkish warlords to invade and take chunks of Anatolia as payment for fighting the other guys of the court. + +Nicea, the second largest city in Anatolia, a mere stone throw away from Constantinople, +was +LITERALLY GIVEN TO THE TURKS, +by usurper Byzantine fuckfaces. + +The Byzies were the most imbecile faction of world history. +The diadochi of the medieval period, a pathetic succesor state larping as the originals +--- 14992528 +>>14992293 +>>didnt hold rome +meme +>>didnt speak latin +greek was considered the other major language of the republic and empire. heraclius didn't change the official language to greek btw, this is also a meme. +>>different political system (introduction of themes) +ERE existed for a millenia, of course there are going to be changes. doesn't mean they don't have continuity with rome +--- 14992759 +>>14992293 +>didnt hold rome +This argument always makes me laugh because that city has been cucked during the Dominate so thoroughly barely any emperor ruling the entire empire has visited it ever since Constantinople has become a new capital. I swear the only reason why people bring it up is muh name, which isn't even accurate from the contemporary perspective since around the same time the country started being colloquially referred to as Romania rather than Rome in recognition of the old capital's irrelevance +--- 14993482 +>>14984868 (OP) +manzikert is one of the proofs that Byzantium was its own worst enemy. +>Sassanid invasion of the 600s: Byzantines are at fault +>Seljuk conquest of Anatolia: Absolutely Byzantine fault, might as well offer them on a silver plate +>1204: Byzantines didn't pay debt +>Palailogan civil war: Byzantine infighting allowed the Ottoman to grow +--- 14993621 +>>14984868 (OP) +had Romanos won, Romania could somehow stop the bleed and maybe go either in the offensive or entrench to what was coming. michael doukas was the true calamity after manzikert + +>>14992226 +it's a shame Manuel system did not work, but what he achieved was impressive. He had an empire on par with the west and on top of that LOTS of gold + +>>14988102 +just imagine still having God's viceregent on earth... they had to shut it down ofc +--- 14993627 +>>14984868 (OP) +In the streets of Paris a ghostly sight +Lionel Pessi roams the night +Now tremble in the face of his tricks +The master of the penalty kick +--- 14993681 +>>14992293 +These posters are so retarded I'm surprised they can even breathe. This is their answer every single time. I'd really love to see the reactions of Romans if this chump were to go back in time and explain to them that being a Roman simply means proficiency in Latin and living under a government that occupies the city of Rome. +--- 14993814 +>>14984896 +Byzantines having a civil war and losing provinces in the process isn't a 1 in 100 perfect storm fluke, it's fairly typical of the Roman political system. +--- 14994189 +>>14985520 +interesting take diff --git a/his/14985954.txt b/his/14985954.txt index 65fb3a41d2f8d8bf661eb3e844a05f30f3c5909a..df4d04dd9bb2f43433f302852155fb4ef630ca69 100644 --- a/his/14985954.txt +++ b/his/14985954.txt @@ -242,3 +242,117 @@ Nigga, Beattyville has 2k people in the middle of nowhere. View Park-Windsor Hil Cope and seethe tranny faggot There are safe cities right next to Los Angeles, Detroit, Chicago. It's never just blacks committing crime is it? +--- 14989635 +>>14986428 +You might wanna check how your beloved saviors of the white race treated the greeks during the war. +Aka stealing so much food from them greeks went into mass starvation. +Same happened with the dutch. +Basically everywhere the eternal destroyers of Europe went starvation followed. People had more food under the Soviet occupation than the German occupation. This is how dogshit nazis were. +--- 14989638 +>>14988673 +Is that why America has a higher murder rate than most of Eastern Europe? Because EE is richer? +--- 14989659 +American government set up a massive suburban housing subsidies scheme to reinforce racial segregation, around the same time amerindustry started to slow down since they actually had to compete with other people again, and then the suburbanites started push forward schemes to literally bulldoze large segments of cities for highways and parking lots +--- 14989999 +>>14989659 +I still don't get why no other place suffers from it. Downtows are the wealthy parts. I really think it was an intentional policy to depopulate cities, in order to reduce nuke damage. Destroy streetcars, promote suburbs and car culture. +--- 14990021 +>>14988827 +I thought it was confirmed that right pic is not Paris but some random African shithole +--- 14990097 +>>14989025 +Boomerbook memes aren't known for their accuracy +--- 14990390 +>>14988720 +Yeah in 1933-1945. +--- 14990395 +>>14986372 +What did they think would happen when they colonised half of Africa and made those Africans french citizens? Did they not think said citizens would want to come home to France one day? Even now they still have majority black overseas territories were the blacks have french citizenship. They fought nafris to keep them as french citizens. +--- 14990689 +>>14989638 +Purely socioeconomic reasons +--- 14990714 +>>14990097 +>samefagging +--- 14991677 +>>14986444 +Cities have historically always been shit. +--- 14991682 +>>14986462 +Eastern Europe is shit because of black people. +--- 14991687 +>>14985954 (OP) +They're full of Americans +--- 14991712 +>>14989638 +Americans refuse to ban African American criminal culture because its racist to want blacks to not aspire to be terrorist in their own communities apparently to the deranged white leftist +--- 14991721 +>>14991682 +>Eastern Europe is shi-ACK!ACK! +--- 14991808 +>>14987205 +>Why would a massive European derived diaspora ever acknowledge their origins with any positivity or respect? +Do post-imperial Euros really? +--- 14991822 +>>14989025 +nooooooooooo what do you mean a tiny rural town has lower crime than a huge suburb next to urban sprawl???? it's clearly the black people +--- 14991957 +>>14991822 +Here are some examples of predominantly-white suburbs next to cities infested with black crime. +Detroit: Livonia, Grosse Pointe +Chicago: Naperville, Oak Lawn +Los Angeles: Manhattan Beach +It's clearly the blacks, not even up for debate, and View Park Windsor Hills has a population under 20k. It's not a huge suburb. Learn what the fuck you're talking about, clown. I dare you come to East St. Louis +--- 14992145 +>>14991822 +>>14989025 +>urbanism = crime +>blacks mostly live in urban areas +another fat L for niggers +--- 14992417 +>>14988764 +Holy shit, all of you people are beyond fucking retarded. + +This is a fucking made up statistic. + +First, it defines "richest" as the dollar you are making which is fucking retarded because Los Angeles is like the single most expensive city to live in in America. + +Second, the median income is not $160,000, it's fucking $50,000, which if far below the +--- 14993498 +>>14992417 +>Holy shit, all of you people are beyond fucking retarded. +>This is a fucking made up statistic. +>First, it defines "richest" as the dollar you are making which is fucking retarded because Los Angeles is like the single most expensive city to live in in America. +>Second, the median income is not $160,000, it's fucking $50,000, which if far below the +--- 14993528 +>>14986012 +/thread +--- 14993539 +>>14985954 (OP) +You know how normally cities & city centers are centers of wealth instead of poverty? Well in shartland, the rich people moved outside in the Suburbs and LARPing that they don't live in the city and they moved the poor people in. + +They're that retarded. +--- 14993548 +>>14991721 +t. never been there. +--- 14993560 +>>14988643 +The first great migration occurred during the 30s. +--- 14993923 +>>14993560 +No. It began around 1917 and ended c. 1929 as it became clear there were no more jobs up North. +--- 14993926 +>>14993923 +blacks were flocking to the north until the 70's for welfare +--- 14993933 +>>14993923 +their employment went down as they abandoned sharecropping tho +--- 14993939 +>>14993926 +After the war effort started in 1941 yeah. But the first wave happened before public housing initiatives were a thing and welfare was sparse back then. SNAP was still decades away. +--- 14994226 +>>14993548 +>there are no blacks so it's shi-ACK!ACK!ACK!ACK! +--- 14994234 +>>14993939 +"snap" existed since the 30's, a large part of civil rights was welfare reform so blacks didn't have to jump so many hoops for benefits (because they didn't deserve them) diff --git a/his/14986967.txt b/his/14986967.txt index e4a1b795df6daf9a7c3a71f4de3dd7394cbaf73f..ffe616ff8e3c211ce66af05c5131a4c64ca6b303 100644 --- a/his/14986967.txt +++ b/his/14986967.txt @@ -24,3 +24,64 @@ We'd have a dyson sphere around Alpha Centauri and a eudaemonic society. The onl --- 14989039 >>14987365 Lol no. They'd all dive at each other's throats. +--- 14989504 +>>14987541 +>low fertility rates +Bro we Ashkenazim are the most fertile race in existence Yiddish is the fastest growing language in america +--- 14989528 +>>14986967 (OP) +That has been tried before, with horrible results. +--- 14989535 +>>14988863 +>>14989504 +Ashkenazis are just fucking retards and not even real Jews. +--- 14989555 +>>14989535 +We are real jews +--- 14989593 +>>14989555 +You are descendants of retarded or mentaly ill germans, who learned to use the hebrew alphabet, because they couldn't learn to read fraktur. +--- 14989603 +>>14989593 +You mean Italians +--- 14989676 +>>14989593 +He is E1b1b so no he's an actual Israelite. +--- 14989686 +>>14986967 (OP) +It would be terrifying. Too many smart Jews in one place. +--- 14991240 +>>14989676 +how? were his ancestors blacked? +--- 14991259 +>>14991240 +It's one of the bigger haplogroupe among Ashkenazim after j1 it's a mena haplogroupe all of the mena was nigher free a few thousand years ago unironicly we wuz kangz an shit +--- 14991268 +>>14989593 +so why don't they have any german dna? genetically they are italian, levantine and slavic +>because they couldn't learn to read fraktur. +germans were highly illiterate as recently as the 19th century +--- 14991393 +>>14991259 +How were they bleached? +--- 14992992 +>>14991393 +They weren't bleached they were always white till the slave trade brought niggers whom eventualy mixed into the population +--- 14993020 +>>14987006 +The world would be a significantly more advanced, safer, and less disgusting place. +--- 14994752 +>>14993020 +Massive power grabs between all 3. You think they'd all play along? + +>>14992992 +>>14991259 +black ancestry is very small. +--- 14994764 +>>14988863 +Dyson spheres are retarded and do not work. +Can't beat thermal radiation and gravity. +--- 14994791 +>>14994752 +>black ancestry is very small. +It doesn't take much diff --git a/his/14987375.txt b/his/14987375.txt index bfa157a739716e85daf4685659d91362204e4ebe..57617ea4a1c42a7c044b0f16119c6fc461830dac 100644 --- a/his/14987375.txt +++ b/his/14987375.txt @@ -126,3 +126,473 @@ Yuan China was well run. KWAB. Mongolboos are fucking insane. --- 14989227 Trick question. Nobody lives in the desert. Everyone lives on the mountains. +--- 14989866 +>>14989072 +>Yuan China was well run +Kublai bankrupts state with failed campaigns +Caste system with chinese at the bottom +Tried to solve their economic problems by printing money +Used foreign taxmen to fleece as much money from the populace +Flip flop between pro mongol and pro sinicization policies with every new emperor +--- 14989899 +>>14987375 (OP) +Persia have massive underwater reserves that were used with this >>14987399 system. Indeed the creation of this sytems precede of mere centuries the rise of Persia as a power + +In antiquity Persia used to be less harid tho. The gradual desertification of the MENA areas hit down there too. Also the multiple pastoral steppeningers marauders that destroyed farms and replaced them with pastures didnt help either +--- 14989984 +>>14987375 (OP) +It isn't that barren, several crops come from the area, like almonds, pistachios. +--- 14989997 +>>14987632 +>>14987664 +>>14987756 +>>14988254 +>>14989037 +>>14989866 +>>14989161 +How was the Mongol administration in Russia and Central Asia? +--- 14990016 +This region has been inhabited since the neolithic. Lots of villages, proto-cities all over the place. And I'm sure Persians actually ruled from the fertile West. +--- 14990199 +>>14987916 +The Safavids were azeri turks whose power base lie with pastoral azeri qizilbashi tribes bludgeoning the population into submission. They weren't a civilized state. +--- 14990229 +>>14990199 +the safavids were kurdish +--- 14990281 +>>14988192 +Persians are Arabs. Just Arabs who are ashamed of being Arab. +--- 14990316 +>>14990281 +Europeans are Jews. Just Jews who are ashamed of being Jewish. +--- 14990329 +>>14990316 +100% right. If they accepted their Jewish heritage they could become rich overnight +--- 14990776 +I was actually going to ask the same question, as I had been thinking about it recently, and was wondering if the real wealth of Persia had purely been out of Mesopotamia, but >>14987632 is pretty damning. I knew the qanats were widely used but didn't know just how necessary they were to Persian agriculture +What source is that from? +--- 14992078 +>>14987375 (OP) +bump +--- 14992093 +>>14992078 +Damn you and go to hell. +--- 14992108 +>reading a paper about bronze age iran +>comparison between Central Iran and South Turkmenistan + +>6000-4000 BC - small settlements in both +>4000-2500 BC - bigger settlements 20-30 ha in both +>2500-1700 - urbanization in Turkmenistan (BMAC), total collapse in Central Iran - no habitation - desert + +Pretty crazy. +--- 14992210 +>>14990199 +Urbanization resumed under their rule. +--- 14992221 +>>14990776 +>What source is that from? +The cambridge history of iran +--- 14992227 +>>14992108 +>>14987632 +Proof that you should resist steppe people until the very last gasp +--- 14992238 +I wish I had R1a-Z93 and at least 30% Sintashta admixture. +--- 14992272 +>>14989037 +>>14989161 +Mongolboos are suprisingly absent ITT +--- 14992279 +>>14990199 +>The Safavids were azeri +HAHAHA +--- 14992295 +>>14989997 +>How was the Mongol administration in Russia and Central Asia? +In Russia their time can be summed up as +>collect tribute +>if rus were late, did not pay, or did not pay enough attack them and ravage them into compliance + +In Central Asia the main economy was selling defeated turkic tribes as slaves to the mamluks in Egypt. It was always a big part of the economy even before the mongols but under them there was an absute abundance of slaves in the markets +--- 14992433 +>>14989072 +In comparison to their northern predecessors, yes. No one really expected Mongols to reach Song or even Tang levels of internal administration. What's important here however are the practices introduced into imperial China, the internal affairs of the Ming were so disastrous people have yet to figure out how exactly it endured for so long. +--- 14992497 +>>14992433 +>In comparison to their northern predecessors, yes +The fuck? The Jin and Liao were far better run than Mongol China +--- 14992502 +>>14992433 +>the internal affairs of the Ming were so disastrous people have yet to figure out how exactly it endured for so long. +Yeah so disastrous that they lasted 3 centuries. Why are Mongol cocksuckers so delusional? +--- 14992568 +>>14992497 +How so? +>>14992502 +>Yeah so disastrous that they lasted 3 centuries. +Yes, as I pointed out. That's indeed, by far, the most impressive thing about Ming internal administration. +>Why are Mongol cocksuckers so delusional? +Such as the Ming founder? He readily adopted Yuan-style ruling instead of returning to a Song form of government. +--- 14992651 +>>14992497 +If not for Mongols Jin would most likely succeed at unifying China, Jurchens (Jianzhou ones) were dynamic and adaptable like Turks, it is no wonder Mongol states that lasted longest and most stable were Golden Horde and Chagatai +--- 14993117 +>>14992651 +>Mongol states that lasted longest and most stable were Golden Horde and Chagatai +Only the golden horde was stable for some time +--- 14993122 +>>14992568 +>Yes, as I pointed out. That's indeed, by far, the most impressive thing about Ming internal administration. +Are you dumb. It contradicts your bullshit +>He readily adopted Yuan-style ruling instead of returning to a Song form of government. +No he created a new system from scratch. Its literally one of the things he's most famous for +--- 14993315 +>>14993122 +He did not create a new system from scratch at all. The Hongwu emperor reworked the Mongol caste government into hereditary households which functioned in the exact same manner. His taxation amounted to the same sort of hands-off approach typical to nomadic rule, except that instead of selling the rights he left collection to prominent locals and the system immediately collapsed on top of itself as the peasants (unsurprisingly) cheated the government out of its own revenue. His granary system was also left to this bizarre autarky ideal and it faced severe shortages as the peasants again, unsurprising, cheated the government by keeping storage low. It took over a hundred years for Ming officials to finally be rid of this self-sufficiency stupidity as they finally began to lean into the sturdy Chinese internal economy as a matter of court policy. + +Furthermore, Hongwu's reign is the dawn of Chinese despotism. He completely destroyed the Chinese bureaucratic system for the sake of an autocracy that never worked, more so than being a despot in the Mongol way of castes, he introduced a secondary system of laws which applied to the emperor and the emperor only. In the process of destroying the ministries and leaving China entirely to the whims (and incompetence) of the emperor, he brought back to the court all of the issues which the Song had been rid of, namely constant plotting and backstabbings, eunuchs, bloody purges and an utter lack of loyalty, the most noted Ming loyalist was a literal pirate whose father had betrayed no one other than the emperor himself. + +>Its literally one of the things he's most famous for +The thing he's most famous for is his genocide of the Han Chinese. The Hongwu emperor killed more scholars and gentlemen than every single foreign emperor in the entirety of imperial history put together. The very first decades of the Ming were already worse for the officials than literally anything the Mongols ever did. +--- 14993365 +>>14993315 +>He did not create a new system from scratch at all. The Hongwu emperor reworked the Mongol caste government into hereditary households which functioned in the exact same manner. His taxation amounted to the same sort of hands-off approach typical to nomadic rule, except that instead of selling the rights he left collection to prominent locals and the system immediately collapsed on top of itself as the peasants (unsurprisingly) cheated the government out of its own revenue. His granary system was also left to this bizarre autarky ideal and it faced severe shortages as the peasants again, unsurprising, cheated the government by keeping storage low. It took over a hundred years for Ming officials to finally be rid of this self-sufficiency stupidity as they finally began to lean into the sturdy Chinese internal economy as a matter of court policy. +>Furthermore, Hongwu's reign is the dawn of Chinese despotism. He completely destroyed the Chinese bureaucratic system for the sake of an autocracy that never worked, more so than being a despot in the Mongol way of castes, he introduced a secondary system of laws which applied to the emperor and the emperor only. In the process of destroying the ministries and leaving China entirely to the whims (and incompetence) of the emperor, he brought back to the court all of the issues which the Song had been rid of, namely constant plotting and backstabbings, eunuchs, bloody purges and an utter lack of loyalty, the most noted Ming loyalist was a literal pirate whose father had betrayed no one other than the emperor himself. +Kek no. The Hongwu emperor created a series of small autonomous units throughout his whole empire. That was his main legacy. +--- 14993371 +>>14993315 +>genocide of the Han Chinese +>already worse for the officials than literally anything the Mongols ever did +who the fuck is talking about the officials you stupid mongol cuck. Even in your mongo paradise chinese could barely become officials +--- 14993393 +>>14993315 +>The Hongwu emperor reworked the Mongol caste government into hereditary households which functioned in the exact same manner. His taxation amounted to the same sort of hands-off approach typical to nomadic rule +There is no comparison here. Hongwu strengthened the peasantry and you disingenuously compare that to nomad rule. What a dumbass +>Furthermore, Hongwu's reign is the dawn of Chinese despotism. He completely destroyed the Chinese bureaucratic system for the sake of an autocracy that never worked, more so than being a despot in the Mongol way of castes, he introduced a secondary system of laws which applied to the emperor and the emperor only. In the process of destroying the ministries +He didn't destroy it. He put himself above it to avoid government inaction and lethargy. dumbass +>to the whims (and incompetence) of the emperors +as opposed to the incompetence of the officials. Song China was notorious for officials constantly bungling and weak emperors. +--- 14993402 +>>14993315 +>The thing he's most famous for is his genocide of the Han Chinese +Hongwu killed over 60 million Chinese in his campaigns? +--- 14993488 +>>14993365 +Yes, that's what the word "autarky" means, as well as the term "self-sufficiency". A Chinese cobbler under the Yuan was a Chinese cobbler for life, and he paid taxes to a man that cheated the Mongols out of their revenue. A Chinese cobbler under the Hongwu emperor was a cobbler for life and he paid taxes to the local chief who cheated the Ming out of their revenue. + +>>14993393 +He did not strengthen the peasantry at all, he tied them to outdated hereditary posts, an institution that would be ignored immediately upon Hongwu's death. The average Ming peasant was poorer than their Song counterpart despite the new commercial nature of the economy, even with the massive influx of trade and silver from Europe. + +>The volume of merchandise that the Chinese possess is not a sufficient argument to prove that they are very rich. Speaking in general, this is a people that, on the contrary, is extremely poor. + +From Adriano de Las Cortes, a Jesuit at the time, which stands in stark contrast to what was reported by the Koreans and Marco Polo. Even after the high period of the Qing the average peasant still enjoyed a relatively decent quality of life which was absent in the Ming. + +And while Song officials were indeed lethargic as far as foreign policies go, their internal policy was superb as is evident by the fact that Kaifeng remained the most prosperous city the world had seen until the Enlightenment. + +>>14993402 +No, he slaughtered well over 50 thousand by himself. Far more impressive. Hongwu was so good at butchering Chinese that his purge was the most violent event of the century, worldwide. + + +Now keep at it, Chang. +--- 14993517 +>>14987375 (OP) +>so, Shah, how did you do it? +>well, Iran things pretty well +--- 14993688 +>>14993517 +Kek +--- 14993716 +>>14993488 +>No, he slaughtered well over 50 thousand by himself. Far more impressive. Hongwu was so good at butchering Chinese that his purge was the most violent event of the century, worldwide. +kek and the Mongols killed 60 million. You mongolboos are something special +--- 14993781 +>>14989161 +>>14989866 +>retarded seething +Extremely low IQ sóy responses. They were a huge improvement over the preceding Chinese dynasties with massive gains in technology, economic output, and political stability. While Mongols might have mismanaged the Middle East, but the Mongols easily did a better job running China than the native Chinese did. + +captcha:jaksyh +--- 14993796 +>>14993781 +>technology, economic output, and political stability +Peak shitposting +>mismanaged +The words mongolboos use is hilarious +--- 14993815 +>thread is about how Mongol rulership destroyed the Iranian agrarian system +>somehow got to a tug-of-war between an admirer of sinophile Mongols that collapsed under its own schizo policies and an admirer of the contender for worst Chinese dynasty in History, including the interregnums +back to the discussion at hand, brainlets +Were there any regions that survived the destruction of the qanats? If so, were they massively involved in the Safavid restoration? +--- 14993828 +>>14993796 +>>technology, economic output, and political stability +>Peak shitposting +Concession accepted. +>The words mongolboos use is hilarious +You should try learning some. +--- 14993836 +>>14993828 +>Concession accepted. +Fuck off retard. The Yuan dynasty was notorious for its economic unstability and political instability. Literally lasted less than 90 years +--- 14993838 +>>14993716 +No, they never did, they killed swathes surely but 60 million is completely absurd. This number is based on the household census and doesn't account for the massive migration which closely follows steppe chimpouts. I'm not defending Mongols, I'm criticizing the Ming and the Yuan are source of brutality and despotism that plagued that dynasty. The Ming court grew under foreign rule and that's all they knew, from purges to tanistry. + +>Fang Xiaoru, the former tutor to the Jianwen Emperor: threatened with execution of all nine degrees of his kinship, he fatuously replied "Never mind nine! Go with ten!" and – alone in Chinese history – he was sentenced to execution of 10 degrees of kinship: along with his entire family, every former student or peer of Fang Xiaoru that the Yongle Emperor's agents could find was also killed. +>872 other people were executed in the ordeal. + +This sort of savagery had long been gone in the Song, you talked back to a bad-tempered emperor then and you ended in the frontier wrangling nomads, you talked back to a Ming emperor and a thousand members of your clan would be hunted down and cut to pieces. Eunuchs? Gone in the Song, back in the Ming. Deranged concubines? Rampant court murder? Completely untrustworthy, well, anyone? All came back with the Ming. + +>>14993815 +Fine then. I'm done buying the chinkspammer his next round of dog soup anyways. +--- 14993843 +>>14993828 +>the complete destruction of the economy and land is "mismanagement" +You think you're clever but you're not +--- 14993851 +>>14993838 +>No, they never did, they killed swathes surely but 60 million is completely absurd. This number is based on the household census and doesn't account for the massive migration which closely follows steppe chimpouts +>No it wasnt exactly 60 million the census wasn't accurate +Jesus christ. Just stop it. +--- 14993856 +>>14993815 +>worst Chinese dynasty +Literally the best dynasty in chinese history after the Han +--- 14993861 +>>14993843 +>Growing the economy 10 fold is "compete destruction of the economy" +You're too low IQ for this topic. +--- 14993866 +>>14993861 +>Growing the economy 10 fold is "compete destruction of the economy" +Printing money isnt growing the economy +--- 14993875 +>>14993866 +Yuan China saw huge economic growth that China hadn't seen in centuries. Printing money had nothing to do with it. +--- 14993878 +>>14993815 +Mongolboos have nothing to argue against >>14987632 so they're trying to save face by trying to pass off the Yuan as a great empire. They're literally calling it a beacon of political stability when it was the most unstable dynasty in Chinese history. 15 khans in 90 years. A 90 year dynasty. +--- 14993896 +>>14993878 +We can argue against it by pointing out Mongol China was better run than China run by the Chinese. You have no argument against the fact the Yuan Dynasty was the most stable period China saw in centuries and saw explosive economic growth China hadn't seen before under the superior leadership of the Mongols. +--- 14993901 +>>14993875 +>Yuan China saw huge economic growth that China hadn't seen in centuries. +That's bullshit considering Song China was Imperial China's peak in terms of economy. You keep saying ecnomic output but dont go into detail. Kublai Khan was known to fund his failed campaigns by printing money. His sucessors had to deal with this and failed to do so. + +>Beacon of political stability +>kublai khan 30 years +>other 14 khans - 59 years +Well considering this is political stabilty to you I'm not surprised at your definition growing the economy +--- 14993908 +>>14993896 +>You have no argument against the fact the Yuan Dynasty was the most stable period China saw in centuries and saw explosive economic growth China hadn't seen before under the superior leadership of the Mongols. +Learn to bait properly. This is too obvious. +--- 14993918 +>>14993896 +>explosive economic growth China hadn't seen +You're confusing the Yuan with the Song. Thats how retarded you are. +--- 14993919 +>>14993901 +>That's bullshit considering Song China was Imperial China's peak in terms of economy. +Song China was the lowpoint when Mongols came. Song China had already failed before the Mongols conquered them. +>You keep saying ecnomic output but dont go into detail. +I already did. +>Kublai Khan was known to fund his failed campaigns by printing money +Meme. +>Well considering this is political stabilty to you +You don't know the definition of political stability nor could you spell it right. + +>>14993908 +If it was bait you two retards would be able to come up with a single counterpoint but you can't. +--- 14993931 +>>14993918 +Low IQ cope. +--- 14993936 +>>14993919 +>Song China was the lowpoint when Mongols came. Song China had already failed before the Mongols conquered them. +No it didnt. It was still the largest eco omy even after the Jin conquered the North +>I already did +You didnt. You kept saying they were the best over and over again. +>meme +Not a proper response. You cant refute it so you try to dismiss it +>You don't know the definition of political stability nor could you spell it right. +A typo is your last stand? Either way you attempted to pass of a 90 year dynasty with 15 emperors as the most stable dynasty in chinese history. How retarded are you? +>If it was bait you two retards would be able to come up with a single counterpoint but you can't +Already did. +--- 14993938 +>>14993931 +Is that it? +--- 14993961 +>>14993936 +>No it didnt. It was still the largest eco omy even after the Jin conquered the North +No it wasn't. They had already been defeated and their economy destroyed before the Mongols came and conquered the Song. +>You didnt. +I did. Mongol economy was an improvement over the Song they conquered. +>Not a proper response. +Strawman. +>A typo is your last stand? +No ESL retard it's the fact you don't know what "political stability" means and got basics wrong like "90 years". +>Already did. +You don't have a single one yet, retard. +--- 14993970 +>>14987375 (OP) +mostly by conquering Iraq and extracting rents, akhi +--- 14993973 +>>14988782 +Urmia's next +--- 14993981 +>>14993961 +>No it wasn't. They had already been defeated and their economy destroyed before the Mongols came and conquered the Song. +Southern Song was rich. What a dumb contrarian. +>Mongol economy was an improvement over the Song they conquered. +Except for the fact that it wasnt. It was regressive in every way +>strawman +Not a strawman and again not a response +>No ESL retard it's the fact you don't know what "political stability" means and got basics wrong like "90 years". +Fine 89 years. Makes it slightly worse. Kek. Dumbass +>You don't have a single one yet, retard. +I had plenty. Your mongolboo ass just cant accept that you're simping over trash empires. +--- 14993990 +This isnt even a china thread. Some assblasted mongolboos just couldnt come up with a way to defend the ilkhanate. +--- 14993993 +>>14990229 +the Safavids were mutts. Azeris were and are Iranians who switched to Turkish. Old Azeri was an Irani language very distinct from Kurdish. +Now, the House of Sasan might have been Kurdish in origin . . . +--- 14993998 +>>14987632 +Heavenly retribution for Manzikert. +--- 14994026 +>>14993993 +>kurds and azeris we wuz fight +Lmao. Poor safavids watching from above having to watch two sets of idiots trying to we wuz as them +--- 14994050 +>>14993990 +>mongolboos + +Truly, John Green's fetishization of traditionally-understood-to-be-bad historical governments and its consequences have been a disaster for discussion about Asian history. +--- 14994071 +>>14987632 +>>14993716 +>>14993878 + +Pathetic idiots believing an anonymous post without sources, lol. +--- 14994097 +>>14994071 +>Pathetic idiots believing an anonymous post without sources, lol. +Its from volume 5 of the cambridge history of iran... +--- 14994105 +>>14994071 +60 million comes from Yuan census data. You can claim its not accurate (the plebs just ran away but please ignore why they were running away) but the picture it presents is grim. As for the length of the dynasty anyone can check it with a simple search. +--- 14994110 +>>14990229 +Kurdish/turkish mix, with cacausaus blood from Armenians and Georgians, as persian royals wanted to replace the t*rks with them. Safavids were based +--- 14994139 +>>14994097 +Usually I would ask for pages, but good work quoting from a book that is likely behind a paywall. + +>>14994105 + +> 60 million comes from Yuan census data. + +Which primary source contain this? Did you get the 60 million decline from an estimate (estimate not census) from 1200 China? + +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_China + +It seems that the the post Han period was worse (only 8,200,000 population left in census), while the fall of the Yuan killed almost as many in less than half of the period (estimate of 120,359,000 to 65,000,000 in 42 years). +--- 14994192 +>>14994139 +>Usually I would ask for pages, but good work quoting from a book that is likely behind a paywall +Moron. Its easily attainable. +>Which primary source contain this? +Jurchen Jin and S.Song census data which we do have compared to Yuan census data. And it shows a massive decrease around half the population. + +>It seems that the the post Han period was worse (only 8,200,000 population left in census), while the fall of the Yuan killed almost as many in less than half of the period (estimate of 120,359,000 to 65,000,000 in 42 years). +Both were terrible time periods. You ignored the rise of Yuan which caused a similar decrease of around half. Ill ignore that. There's no point comparing the two since this is about how mongolboos claim the census data is wrong to begin with but ill play along. + +You don't know how to count either. The fall of Han is a time period twice as big and 42 million vs 60 million in half the time by the Yuan. The Yuan dynasty was a larger empire as well including many regions previous chinese empires did not have. They did not have the same big populations as China proper but they had populations in the millions. The situation is very grim. +--- 14994199 +>>14994192 +--- 14994202 +>>14994199 +--- 14994212 +>>14994139 +>give me source +>has a wikipedia article in his post +Census data in wikipedia is fine but still funny. Maybe you should have posted a study on chinese census data rather than just wikipedia. Makes you look like a fool. +--- 14994325 +>>14994192 +> Moron. Its easily attainable. + +Because it's so great to call other moron, while not providing a source if it's so easy to attain. + +> Jurchen Jin and S.Song census data which we do have compared to Yuan census data. + +Where? + +> You don't know how to count either. The fall of Han is a time period twice as big + +No, the population loss to the Mongol was from 1200 to 1290 (20 to 30 years of this include war between the Xia, Jin and Song themselves). The population loss of the end of the Han was from 156 to 280 (124 years) not nearly twice the Mongol conquest. + +What's the census source for year 200? + +The fall of the Han even counting from a possible year 200 population was a bigger loss in term of proportion (likely more than 50% decline). + +The An Lushan Rebellion cause a loss of 36.019.309 of census population in 9 years. Almost WW 1 level of death (20 million in 4 years vs 36 million in 9 years) + +The fall of Yuan was 120 million minus millions in population outside China proper (maybe 10 millions) meaning its 110 million declining to 60 million still result in with 45 million population lost in 42 years in China proper and this was possibly measuring a population rise in the 32 years from the end of the Yuan. Measuring by census it was still around the level of decline similar to the Mongol conquest despite it being only a rebellion (29 million in 42 years). +--- 14994338 +>>14994325 +>Because it's so great to call other moron, while not providing a source if it's so easy to attain. Imagine chimping out even after someone gives you a source. +Retard doesnt know what libgen is. +>No, the population loss to the Mongol... +Again whats the point. The original point you or anither dude made was that the census data was wrong... +--- 14994342 +>>14994325 +>despite it being only a rebellion +Why are you downplaying the fall of an empire? Its juet disingenous post after disingenous post. +--- 14994351 +>>14994338 +>>14994342 +Still not a single source. +--- 14994363 +>>14993838 +>No, they never did, they killed swathes surely but 60 million is completely absurd. This number is based on the household census and doesn't account for the massive migration which closely follows steppe chimpouts. +How do you go from this +To this>>14994325 +--- 14994370 +>>14994351 +I gave you a source. Not my problem if you're too stupid to figure out how get it. +--- 14994411 +>>14994363 +Do you find this reliable? + +https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E4%BA%BA%E5%8F%A3%E5%8F%B2 + +1274年1,967,898户 + +1290年13,196,206户 + +That the number of households and therefore population of the Yuan increased more than 6 times in 16 years. +--- 14994479 +Can chinks stop ruining this thread? I came here for Iran +--- 14994708 +>>14993117 +Very ironic the golden horde was destroyed by their tax man. +--- 14994739 +>>14987375 (OP) +So just for the record, the mongols sucked at managing settled states the few times they got a chance and they are mid at best rulers on the steppe, right? + +Btw question, how much did the mongols outsource management to local rulers (outside the golden horde where they had vassals I mean) +--- 14994742 +>>14994739 +Also why did the mongols invade SEA but not india. +--- 14994849 +>>14994479 +Yeah can’t they make a seperate thread to argue in? + +Despite it this is still one of the best threads I’ve seen on here in a while. Usually nowadays it’s just religious people or low effort /Pol/ type stuff. I’ve learnt a bit and am more interested in reading Iranian and Chinese history now (especially because I can’t figure out who is right about China lol, I don’t know anything about Chinese history). +--- 14994854 +>>14994849 +I'm thinking of someday starting an effort post thread about hawaii onceIget around to reading about it. diff --git a/his/14987483.txt b/his/14987483.txt index 205b17522c4f8e6c0286ffe016bd2b59fad7ea46..932111de9567086e7a38e4186932ac93c0f1eb62 100644 --- a/his/14987483.txt +++ b/his/14987483.txt @@ -23,3 +23,142 @@ he cute --- 14988586 >>14987483 (OP) and why exactly did he think anybody wanted that clarified? +--- 14989418 +>>14987483 (OP) +. +--- 14989432 +>>14989418 +--- 14989490 +>complains about drag queens +>doesn't acknowledge that drag queens were a part of history +--- 14989503 +>>14987483 (OP) +Who is that. +--- 14989613 +>>14989503 +He makes videos on English and Anglo-Saxon but somehow has been unable to actually learn Anglo-Saxon +--- 14989634 +>>14987530 +rent free +--- 14989672 +>>14987483 (OP) +That video seems appropriate since most of his viewers are probably tradtard reactionary larpers. And he's educated and intelligent so he obviously despises them. +--- 14989953 +poor anglos, forced to explicitly pay their allegiance and respects to the latest version of corporate religious dogmas +they used to rule the seas you know +--- 14990015 +>>14987483 (OP) +For what purpose? +--- 14990045 +>>14989672 +>educated and intelligent +He's spent years studying Anglo-Saxon and the one time he went to properly use it he constantly made grammatical errors. +--- 14990051 +>>14989672 +>bioleninist cattle pulling the "educated and intelligent"™ card +you deformed freakshows will never not be hilarious +--- 14990060 +>>14989953 +According to trans activists the UK is literally genociding trans people because you have to be diagnosed with gender disphoria to legally change your gender. +--- 14990090 +I liked it when he made a video with some other person about black dialects in the US and loads of the viewers started bitching about it. +--- 14990118 +>>14990060 +>diagnosed with gender disphoria +Is that actually difficult? +--- 14990212 +>>14987483 (OP) +>roper +it all makes sense now +--- 14990213 +>>14990118 +Not at all, which makes the accusations of transphobia ridiculous. +--- 14990223 +>>14990212 +Roper? I hardly knew 'er! +--- 14990235 +>>14990051 +You are very genetically superior for never being able to read or do math that well. +--- 14990242 +>>14990235 +>Everybody who disagrees with trannyism must be an American Trump supporter +??? +--- 14990271 +>>14990235 +transer har en mental lidelse og det er den ENESTE mentale lidelsen hvor "behandlingen" er å late som at psykosen deres er virkelig. +--- 14990370 +>>14989490 +>IT'S FRAU +--- 14990546 +>>14989432 +Jesus Christ. Reading this makes me nauseous. +--- 14990591 +>>14990235 +thankfully I'm not an amerimutt so I can see the sort of corporate flavor of the month ideology halfwit cattle like you mutters for what it is +you are not cultured, you are well herded +--- 14990617 +>>14989672 +The product of an educated society. +--- 14990620 +>>14990591 +Meds. +--- 14990629 +>>14990235 +BVLL energy +--- 14990834 +>>14990271 +>men men transer! +Ok? Sinna dverghjerne tapere fra /pol/ som prøver å kompensere med å kalle objektivt overlegne folk meme-ord er fortsatt patetiske. +--- 14990840 +>>14989432 +>Says puberty blockers aren't versible +>Goes on to state that they never got normal testosterone treatment and instead got estrogen +>Upset because she wants a vaginoplasty +This isn't proving what you think it does. If you take test after then it is reversible +--- 14990887 +who gives a shit? live and let live +you people are such repressed faggots it's unreal +--- 14990895 +>who gives a shit? live and let live +>you people are such repressed faggots it's unreal +--- 14991145 +>>14990887 +Even if you support trannies, what is the point of making a completely irrelevant video talking about how much you love trannies on a Youtube history channel? It just comes across as weird and obsessed. +--- 14991235 +>>14987483 (OP) +Anglo without religion is like a dog without a leash, but instead of biting people, it starts mutilating itself and calling itself a girl.. +--- 14991841 +>>14991235 +--- 14991867 +>>14990060 +Amazing how the UK consistently manages to evoke the wrath of the Far Right AND Far Left over the most meaningless things lmao +>Aaaaaaaa trans genocide because medical experts are needed to confirm a surgical procedure AAAA!!! +--- 14991878 +>>14989490 +crossdressing was a joke that both german and allied soldiers did. +it was like blackface +--- 14991897 +>who gives a shit? live and let live +--- 14991965 +>>14991867 +>Amazing how the UK consistently manages to evoke the wrath of the Far Right AND Far Left over the most meaningless things lmao +--- 14992195 +>>14991878 +Which is what the screeching lefties today pretend isn't the case, which is hilarious. They disingenuously take what was formerly an open exaggerated and comedic mockery of femininity and say "LOOK YOU LIKED IT BEFORE!!" + +Same time period when the man of the house was slapping around his kitchen-oriented wife, of course. But they turn a blind eye to that widespread reality when it's convenient for them. +--- 14993088 +>>14987483 (OP) +the absolute state of bongs +--- 14993235 +>>14991878 +>>14992195 +In a hundred years when whites are extinct and some cultureless quadroon is having an identity crisis, he will pull up an old pic of a blackfaced fag and claim that trans racialism has a historical precedent +--- 14993308 +>>14991841 +--- 14993615 +>>14993235 +>an old pic of a blackfaced fag +--- 14994246 +>>14993308 +Cringe diff --git a/his/14987519.txt b/his/14987519.txt index 5157fdc4efadaf9da5069fd38606a0ef858ee5cb..254d0d422dae8ff288e2b8b7587fb49b0526a7cb 100644 --- a/his/14987519.txt +++ b/his/14987519.txt @@ -72,3 +72,94 @@ Large amount of Scandinavia would be under Soviet rule, they will het independen --- 14989029 >>14987552 Why would you think that ? +--- 14989754 +>>14989015 +>pagan Scandinavia +>posts Catholic German wank building +--- 14989840 +>>14989005 +It's why Indian, Chinese and Japanese folk religions survived Christianity and Islam better than other folk religions, they had writings explaining the beliefs, philosophies and rituals. They had bureaucratic institutions capable of resisting change. The Celtic, Germanic/Norse and Baltics had no such institutions, they had a rudimentary writing system but never had a reformed religious system. Compare Northern folk religions to Greco-Roman paganism, emperors like Julian and even after, were forced to repeatedly make laws against practicing paganism. It has writings, official temples supported by the state, and was protected by the Senate even after it was banned. +--- 14989842 +>>14989840 +>Julian +Typo, I meant Justinian. +--- 14989864 +>>14987519 (OP) +>if they remained pagan +implying they didnt? +--- 14991080 +>>14989864 +Normal scandis were really disturbed and shocked by this btw. None of the losers who did it were pagan either, just rich kids looking to rebel. Should’ve gone abroad for a year in Brazil or something instead of doing a some death metal larp +--- 14991184 +>>14987519 (OP) +--- 14991202 +>>14987519 (OP) +Not cucked +--- 14991218 +>>14989005 +Look up Pletho. +--- 14991232 +>>14991218 +>"We are Hellenes by race and culture" +Why do modern people claim that nobody had a concept of race back then? +--- 14991789 +>>14987519 (OP) +Funnily enough they’d probably be less romanticizing of the Norse and Vikings especially in Germany who’d make up the majority of any crusading force against them. Chances are the nazis would go so far as to claim that Scandinavia remaining pagan was actually a Jewish plot and that Christianity was actually the TRUE aryan religion +--- 14992007 +>>14991184 +Kek +--- 14992590 +>>14991218 +I'm having trouble finding information about him. I can't seem to find out if there was an actual continuation of pagan beliefs with him or if he was just a late medieval neo-pagan. +--- 14993592 +>>14989005 +Realistically I think the best shot for a “reformed” Norse religion is a combination of developing a strong literary tradition(they'd just have to use paper for that) as well as a sort of “Viking Charlemagne” to conqueror most of Scandinavia for a time and centralize the faith to secure his power. Creating both a shared Scandinavian identity and a strong priestly class who’d actively oppose Christianity. +--- 14993606 +>>14989004 +>>14989023 +UGH +--- 14993610 +>>14993606 +--- 14993680 +>>14993592 +Clovis could have done that or at least have laid the foundation for that if he hadn't converted. +--- 14993690 +>>14987519 (OP) +They wouldnt be cucks being killed off by arabs +--- 14993696 +>>14992590 +He was the one who rehabilitated Plato during the era of the Scholastics. His pagan beliefs were likely in tune with the Socratic idea of the noble lie from the Republic ie he saw it as necessary to unite the Hellens. +--- 14993705 +>>14992590 +>actual continuation of pagan beliefs +>centuries after the final hellenic holdouts in the mani peninsula have been been converted to orthodoxy +Come on anon +--- 14993709 +>>14993705 +There is roughly a zero percent chance Gemistos Plethon was an actual Paganist. He was however a Neoplatonist and probably believed in the Forms. +--- 14993789 +>>14993709 +His neoplatonist LARP included retvrning to the hellenic religion +>I myself heard him at Florence ... asserting that in a few more years the whole world would accept one and the same religion with one mind, one intelligence, one teaching. And when I asked him "Christ’s or Muhammad’s?," he said, "Neither; but it will not differ much from paganism." I was so shocked by these words that I hated him ever after and feared him like a poisonous viper, and I could no longer bear to see or hear him. I heard, too, from a number of Greeks who escaped here from the Peloponnese that he openly said before he died ... that not many years after his death Muhammad and Christ would collapse and the true truth would shine through every region of the globe. +>Plethon's apparent concern in De differentiis for Christian beliefs and dogma was belied by a still more controversial work, the Nomoi, which advocated a return to a polytheistic religion. Here Plethon described a Neoplatonic hierarchy of gods to whom he gave the names of the pagan pantheon. He included the text of prayers to these gods and set out the manner in which their worship should be conducted. +--- 14993794 +>>14993789 +Yes, see my comment above. He liked the greek religion because of its racial ties to his country not because he thought it had philosophical insight. +--- 14993809 +>>14987552 +/thread +--- 14993812 +>>14993789 +>Here Plethon described a Neoplatonic hierarchy of gods to whom he gave the names of the pagan pantheon. He included the text of prayers to these gods and set out the manner in which their worship should be conducted. + +Neoplatonists certainly believe in Gods but the transcendent One is the supreme order. They do not for example, view the gods as creators of the world. Also Plethon's most famous work is a treatise on why Plato is superior to Aristotle. +--- 14993839 +>>14989840 +Oh get fucked they had plenty of writings. This idea that christians brought writing wherever they conquered and destroyed the indigenous culture has been proven false revionist bullshit a million times. +--- 14994002 +>>14993839 +care to show us these pre-christain Norse/Baltic writings? +--- 14994028 +>>14989864 +>>14991080 +This lol diff --git a/his/14987607.txt b/his/14987607.txt index 7146eb174cd29ae3710e7dc854b87213af41099a..65c304fe7debfa274b5047ef9710e62384d8eada 100644 --- a/his/14987607.txt +++ b/his/14987607.txt @@ -47,3 +47,99 @@ Such an unbelievable contortion of history, lol. embarrassing. 100 years ago natives of Ethiopia and america didnt know the other country existed and yet jews from both countries put on the exact same black boxes with the exact same words written in them, to the letter. You goyim are so full of shit. +--- 14989501 +>>14988268 +The ehtiopiams are fake jews they had no teffilin you should of used jews in Poland and yemin as examples here but we new each outher existed +--- 14990634 +>>14989501 +Huh? Fake jews? +--- 14990637 +>>14990634 +Yea they are genticly the same as regular Ethiopians and they had no knowledge of the oral Torah they are not realy Jewish a t all +--- 14991339 +>>14988268 +please don't think these retards represent goyim +--- 14991376 +>>14987607 (OP) +Jamie, pull up that haplo-autism! +--- 14991619 +>>14989501 +The closest populations to ancient Jews are Samaritans. + +Yemenite Jews are pure South Arabian Arabs, they are literally Arabians that converted to Judaism before Mohammed . +Ashkenazi Jews have mostly European ancestry. +--- 14991658 +>>14987686 +retard, hebrew comes from evri (עברי) which translates as "one who passes" i.e. passed the red sea. Habiru does not refer to hebrews 100% and regardless is an exoname +--- 14991670 +>>14987665 +So Christcucks are low iq midwits that take the Bible at face value whiles Jews are chads that outsmarted God himself +--- 14992019 +>>14990637 +>they had no knowledge of the oral Torah they are not realy Jewish + +that actually suggests they are the real Jews + +oral torah is a fabrication +--- 14993007 +>>14991619 +>are literally Arabians that converted to Judaism before Mohammed . +Yes and there still more Jewish than Ethiopians fakes +>>14992019 +Cope harder goy the oral Torah was passed from Moshe rabeinu to yeshua Ben nun and so in down the generations we have the chain recorded all of us real jews from Yemen to Poland the Ethiopians do not cuase they are fakes and retarded 70iq savages I live in Israel I know first hand +--- 14993021 +Main difference is Judaism is a platonic religion which believes in an immortal soul +--- 14993073 +>>14991658 +I dont think that can be true because Joseph gets called a Hebrew in Genesis, before the red sea split. +--- 14993239 +>>14993007 +>>14993007 +the so-called oral torah is not mentioned in the Law of Moses once, there is nothing but the word of rebbes which I do not accept without a good reason + +go ahead and provide a source in the histories, or the prophets, or the pentateuch for the penultimate source of the Talmud + +you won't find it there + +>muh chain + +Xdoubt.png +--- 14993290 +*ahem* + +Josephus Flavius, Jewish Antiquities 13:297: + +"The Pharisees had passed on to the people certain regulations handed down by previous generations, but not written down in the Law of Moses. For this they were rejected by the Sadducee party." + + +IF the oral torah is actually as old as the rebbes claim, THEN there would not have been such a disagreement over it during the time of the Second Temple. + +protip, the Pharisees were deviant in their teachings and in their conduct +--- 14993294 +>>14987607 (OP) +term Israelite also includes Samaritans along with Jews. +Thats the only difference. +--- 14993464 +with all that said, I accept the Talmud as a collection of commentaries on the Torah built up over the centuries after the Romans razed the Temple + +but it is not a secret oral Torah and it is hence not inspired, to claim otherwise it is pure cope and notably the only means by which certain religious figures might claim authoritativeness and legitimacy +--- 14993511 +in short Beta Israel (Aethiopian Jewery) are as real Jews as the Sadducees were + +and the state of Israel engaged in a campaign of clandestine sterilization against their women folk +--- 14993522 +>>14993464 +>with all that said, I accept the Talmud as a collection of commentaries on the Torah built up over the centuries after the Romans razed the Temple +i will ruin this thread by saying Torah is a commentary on lost Book of Jasher. Talmud is a commentary on a commentary. +>>14993511 +Sadduccees rejected existence of divinity, thye didnt beleived ni angels perhaps they even rejected existence of God +--- 14994554 +>>14993464 +>with all that said, I accept the Talmud as a collection of commentaries on the Torah built up over the centuries after the Romans razed the Temple +>but it is not a secret oral Torah +the talmud is a commentary on the oral torah +--- 14994590 +>>14993239 +All the time in Torah when it says Moses spoke to the elders, oral Torah is how we know to make tefilin +>>14993511 +Both of these statements are false but I wish we did sterilize their woman they are subhuman vermin would trade ever one for two arabs if I could diff --git a/his/14987798.txt b/his/14987798.txt index c94e1ed350539a59ba2aaef44c54fda35d5e7701..dac3ffeddcd209148b8e9f94a9de57b96410bcf4 100644 --- a/his/14987798.txt +++ b/his/14987798.txt @@ -58,3 +58,66 @@ I think I have to go with caesar, Napoleon couldn't handle going full retard lik >not a single nordcuck Scandi sisters? +--- 14989363 +>>14989177 +>Muh succession and legacy +midwit take +--- 14989366 +>>14987798 (OP) +>2 goblins remembered for some goblin tribal wars with other goblins +>1 goblin that got cucked and lost to russians after ruining other goblins empire. +None is great +They are just circlejerk for servile incels +--- 14989394 +>>14987798 (OP) +Napoleon > Caesar > Alex +--- 14989956 +>>14988122 +And that's a good thing +--- 14991168 +>>14987798 (OP) +Alexander. +--- 14991172 +>>14987819 +fpbp +--- 14991520 +>>14987798 (OP) +Napoleon, and I hate the French +--- 14991561 +>>14987798 (OP) +Chingis Khan. +--- 14991577 +>>14987798 (OP) +Caesar, by far. Akexander and Napoleon both inherited the best armies of their times while Caesar built his own up from the ground and won victories against 10 to 20 times their numbers. +--- 14991591 +It should really be between Alex, Nappy, and Genghis Khan +Julius Caesar is honestly in the little leagues and is much more important historically in terms of domestic issues than he was as a "conqueror". Taking Gaul is cool and all but it's not even as impressive as beating Carthage. +--- 14991602 +>>14991520 +>I hate X, X are not white, i type them with * kek, kek le contrarian kek +kys zoomoid +--- 14991802 +>>14989394 +>muh chart +--- 14991987 +>>14988036 +Caesar, my allegiance is to the Republic, TO DEMOCRACY! +--- 14992241 +>>14987798 (OP) +>Who was the greatest? +Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) +--- 14992395 +>>14992241 +He'd be nowhere without Khalid Ibn Al Walid +--- 14994511 +>>14987819 +fpbp +>>14991172 +so did Napoleon. +--- 14994763 +>>14988757 +>His conquests post-Munda are legit and validate his reputation +huh? +--- 14994771 +>>14994763 +He is from the other timeline. diff --git a/his/14987990.txt b/his/14987990.txt index f084f8211103820bf1612432c3bdef294b7deb74..4e47412195fd82cd90bc84b662a6067f7937a104 100644 --- a/his/14987990.txt +++ b/his/14987990.txt @@ -520,3 +520,942 @@ Mind you, I know that later on they did exert control over which books could be With some notable exceptions like Remarque, it's also mostly garbage, much of it erotica and other kinds of smut. The truth is ultimately that Germany never had freedom of speech and assembly like it exists in the US. Not under the Kaiser, not in the Weimar Republic, not under Hitler, and not now. The Federal Republic of Germany certainly has banned far more books than the NS regime or the Kaiser ever did. Not to mention all those videos on YouTube, Odysee and BitChute that can't be watched due to complaints from Germany's political secret police, holy shit. +--- 14990031 +bump +--- 14990086 +>>14989120 +>Then why does it say that it's a guideline for librarians in public libraries as to which books they may get rid of, but explicitly states that they do not have to throw them away unless they can easily be replaced with better books? +You are lying. It's very clearly describing a public list of banned books as reported on >>14988940. It mentions that these books are part of the "black lists", specifically, and the goal of getting libraries rid of these books, some of which are to be throughroughly destroyed across Germany. I will post the full translation of the text so that you cannot squirm away. + +>The edition, which is made available to the public library (people's library) in the new state, corresponds to Mussolini's motto: "Book and box—that is my command." This means that the cultural-political aim of the people's libraries lies in the intellectual defence, the total mobilization of the German people with the help of genuine literature. The first step towards this goal is the spontaneous attempt everywhere to concentrate the work equipment and book stocks of the libraries on the essentials. This process, which took place in a thoroughly orderly manner wherever experts took action, soon became known to the general public through the inquisitorial catchphrase of "black lists." It was never about iconoclasm, but about more, namely the development of new selection and value principles in the field of popular literature and literary criticism. The standards according to which the black lists were drawn up are of course of a literary-political nature. For them, the fundamental preliminary question that is necessary for every political decision applies: Who is the real enemy? Who is the fight against? The answer is given in a fundamental statement, which has been recognized by the Prussian Ministry for Science, Art and Public Education and has been declared binding for the state library advisory offices in the country. This declaration states: +--- 14990092 +>>14990086 +>»The fight is directed against the signs of decomposition of our species-specific way of thinking and living, against the asphalt literature, which was written mainly for the people of the big city, in order to strengthen and completely uproot them in their disconnection with the environment, with the people and with any community. It is the literature of intellectual nihilism. The term "asphalt literature" is then defined in detail as follows: "This literary genre has predominantly, but not only, Jewish representatives. But not every Jewish writer is an asphalt writer, e.g. B. represents the criticism that the Zionist Emanuel bin Gorion has always leveled at the literary assimilation Jews, the Jewish-national principle. It goes on to say: “Not everyone is a cultural Bolshevik. Dostoevsky and Tolstoy do not belong on the Index (without Dostoevsky, no Moeller van den Bruck!). There is no need to acquire new Russians, any more than all new Russians (e.g. Fadeyev, Farasov-Rodinov) need to be destroyed'. About the technical methods according to which the cleansing is to be carried out, it is said: “It is advisable, in principle, to have a copy of each book, even the most dangerous one, in the large city, to keep asphalt literati and Marxists in the poison cupboard. This applies above all to scientific Marxist literature, which of course is not available in public libraries. Technically, the cleaning is to be carried out in stages, depending on the possible new acquisitions to fill in the gaps that have arisen with German literature. It is most practical to divide the books blocked for lending into three groups: Group 1 falls prey to destruction (auto-da-fe), e.g. B. Remarque, Group 2 goes in the poison cupboard, e.g. B. Lenin, Marx, group 3 contains the doubtful cases, which are to be examined in detail, whether they later belong to group 1 or 2, e.g. B.Traven« +--- 14990103 +>>14990092 +And it was extensive to the book trade as well... + +>On the other hand, some of the names on the list, such as Bonsels, Edschmid, Schäffer, appear to be textbook examples of how the book trade can never go further than the public library, which after its standards Recht on Bonsels' latest publications etc. believes to be able to do without. The printed black list therefore needs to be reduced to a level that the book trade can bear. The twelve authors marked with a cross (f) on the list played the leading roles in the auto-da-fes that were being held in the Reich in those days. They must be regarded as the actual pests that would also have to be eradicated for the book trade. So the authors are: Lion Feuchtwanger, Ernst Gläser, Arthur Holitscher, Alfred Kerr, Egon Erwin Kisch, Emil Ludwig, Heinrich Mann, Ernst Ottwalt, Theodor Plivier, E. M. Remarque, Kurt Tucholsky and Arnold Zweig. It goes without saying that in addition to these twelve authors, who represent only a minimum, a general formulation should also be striven for, on the basis of which above all erotic dirt and filth should be kept away from the German book trade can. Completely analogous to this is the task that will be the main task and for which the cleansing should only create the prerequisites, namely to draw up positive "white lists" for a future planned book policy, with the help of which the intellectual face of the creative nation can be shaped by the book can. The first approaches to white lists have already been tackled locally in many cases. They only require a systematic summary*). Finally, it still needs to be emphasized that the benevolent interest of the Kampfbund für Deutsche Kultur as well as the Schutzverband Deutscherschriften is given for all these efforts. By collaborating with them, the book trade organizations have the opportunity to place those non-German authors on a Reich list, which must be equally binding for the publisher and the product range. +--- 14990109 +>>14990086 +>>14990092 +>>14990103 +1933 BTW, they had JUST came to power and they were already banning books both from public libraries, private collections and the book trade. (bookstores) + +Auto-da-fe refers to the book burnings. Notice their main focus of hate here is EM Remarque (the guy who wrote All Quiet on the Western Front), rather than Marx, Lenin or tranny books. They hated the pacifist German above all. +--- 14990209 +>>14989120 +>oh no, not my trite Communist propaganda novels, what will we do without such high literature! +I'd like to point out that exactly at the time this guideline for public libraries was drawn up, the Communists were murdering millions of people in Ukraine: +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor + +Communism had also just recently proven to represent an immediate threat to Germany not long ago due to the establishment of a Jewish-run Soviet terror state in Bavaria: +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_Soviet_Republic +(note how the last act of the Jews running this regime was to take German civilians as hostages, and subsequently murdering those hostages as the Freikorps moved in to liberate the city) + +For comparison, the regime in Berlin right now saw it fit to block access to rt.com and other Russian news outlets. This act of censorship is being defended as "necessary" by the very same people who whine about the Nazis getting communist books out of public libraries and doing a symbolic book burning bonfire. +Same thing withe the "Denazification" campaign, which systematically destroyed the art and literature of an entire generation: +>a list was drawn up of over 30,000 book titles, ranging from school textbooks to poetry, which were then banned. All copies of books on the list were confiscated and destroyed; the possession of a book on the list was made a punishable offense. All the millions of copies of these books were to be confiscated and destroyed +>Artworks were under the same censorship as other media, leading to the destruction of thousands of paintings and thousands more were shipped to deposits in the US. Those confiscated paintings still surviving in US custody include for example a painting "depicting a couple of middle aged women talking in a sunlit street in a small town". +--- 14990239 +>>14990209 +>Whataboutism +You claimed the Nazis never banned books. +You lost. + +And your comparison is flawed because in 1933 the Nazis were just getting started. Hitler would match the number of civilians Stalin killed and and destroy countless of books, art pieces and historical monuments. +--- 14990433 +>>14988982 +>It's a Nazi newspaper +No? It's a German magazine +--- 14990465 +>>14990239 +No? Jews use a list of suggestions for the removal of Marxist novels from circulation with the banning of evolutionary science. I think that's a win for non-jews exposing the propaganda behind Nazi censorship +--- 14990472 +>>14988646 +>unreasonable demands +stop telling kids to mutilate themselves +Simple as +Stop hosting child brothels +Simple as +Stop stealing, frauding, and murdering people you dont like. +like, just act like human beings +--- 14990477 +>>14990433 +Page one. +--- 14990482 +>>14990477 +Front Cover +--- 14990487 +>>14990465 +The banning of evolutionary science came later and a source was provided for that, too. >>14988569 + +Counter-proof provided by /pol/yps: 0 (zero) +--- 14990491 +>>14990482 +Man of the Year =/= Front cover literally says Hail Hitler! +--- 14990499 +>>14988378 +Goebbels was a big fan of Dostoyevsky. His works also weren't banned. It probably was burned simply because it was Russian so they just threw it on there. Same for Tolstoy although that degenerate freak would deserve to be banned +--- 14990503 +>>14990491 +True, man of the year is much more prestigious as HH is just a mere formality, like how even anti Trump articles will say "MAGA" +--- 14990517 +>>14990499 +Well I actually did learn something from this thread (as a result of my own research for dealing with the /pol/bots and not because this board is actually any good) and that is that the first book burnings were disorganized as fuck and all sorts of random shit was burned, the black lists came later. + +>>14990503 +Cope. +--- 14990523 +>>14990086 +>I will post the full translation of the text +You say that, and then slyly proceed to leave out the passage in the upper left corner of >>14989120 which I will translate here, with emphasis preserved from the original German: +>This list names all books and which MAY be removed as part of the cleansing process from the *public* libraries. Whether *all* of them *must* be removed is dependent on in how far the gaps can be filled with NEW acquisitions. +>The list is not intended to say anything about the actual inventory of the individual libraries. It is merely a general guide for the librarians and commissioners tasked with the cleansing process. + +>>14990239 +>You claimed the Nazis never banned books. +Wrong, I specifically said: +>Mind you, I know that later on they did exert control over which books could be published + +>You lost. +No, your inability to grasp that there's more than one person replying to you in this thread doesn't mean I've lost anything, it just means you're dumb. + +>rather than Marx, Lenin or tranny books. They hated the pacifist German above all. +I did already acknowledge in >>14989120 that Remarque stands out on this list. +Besides that, Stefan Zweig was Jewish, Adam Zweig was Jewish, Kurt Tucholsky was Jewish... lots of authors on the priority list who aren't just "German pacifists." +The Jewish religion as expressed in the Talmud specifically advocates for the extermination of the German people (see Megillah 6b where it proclaims Germans to be part of "Edom" i.e. Satanic and to be exterminated), and there is an extensive body of Rabbinic literature explaining that this is to be done through subterfuge and intellectual games, including pretending to be non-religious. I would actually be in favor of banning most books by Jewish authors and reserving them solely for purposes of critical study, perhaps exempting books from Jewish authors who have expressly distanced themselves from these genocidal tendencies of their national religion. +--- 14990562 +>>14990523 +>This list names all books and which MAY be removed as part of the cleansing process from the *public* libraries. Whether *all* of them *must* be removed is dependent on in how far the gaps can be filled with NEW acquisitions. +>The list is not intended to say anything about the actual inventory of the individual libraries. It is merely a general guide for the librarians and commissioners tasked with the cleansing process. +How does that contradict the rest of the passage? I did leave stuff out because there's a character limit on each post. There's two lists mentioned on that magazine, the first is the black list of books to be removed from public libraries or outright destroyed, the second list which is shorter concerns those books that would also be banned from bookstores and private libraries. + +>The Jewish religion as expressed in the Talmud specifically advocates for the extermination of the German people (see Megillah 6b where it proclaims Germans to be part of "Edom" i.e. Satanic and to be exterminated), and there is an extensive body of Rabbinic literature explaining that this is to be done through subterfuge and intellectual games, including pretending to be non-religious. I would actually be in favor of banning most books by Jewish authors and reserving them solely for purposes of critical study, perhaps exempting books from Jewish authors who have expressly distanced themselves from these genocidal tendencies of their national religion. +Schizo shit, they also banned non-Jewish authors. Do I need to keep going through that magazine to find what the black lists looked like after 1935, 1938 and so on before you concede? +--- 14990603 +>>14990487 +>Jew claiming his failed attempt to convince anybody the germans de facto banned books is concrete enough to claim without evidence they also banned evolutionary science +--- 14990613 +>>14987990 (OP) +>Is the push to ban certain books in schools comparable to it? +I like how nobody itt even noticed this bait kek +--- 14990614 +>>14990477 +Again that's not a nazi paper, that's a weekly magazine for people interested in the book market called the Börsenblatt which existed long before the nazis +--- 14990619 +>>14987990 (OP) +>Could something like this (preventing the spread of certain ideologies) ever happen in the digital age? +Yes. It's more difficult for sure, but it can happen and does happen right now. +>Is the push to ban certain books in schools comparable to it? +Yes. +--- 14990627 +>>14990487 +>Counter-proof provided +>You have to prove my lies wrong, I don't have to prove it happened. +The holocaust is also a lie. + +But the psychopath jews did run open air death camps and kill German POWs and civilians. + +Funny how nobody talks about the Katyn forest massacre anymore either. Used to be always talked about until we learned it was the judeo-bolshevik USSR that committed it. + +Really strange cohencidences. Almost like the Bible is true when it calls Jews evil, a cursed people, hated by God and contrary to all men. +--- 14990675 +>>14990603 +https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Liste_verbotener_Autoren_w%C3%A4hrend_der_Zeit_des_Nationalsozialismus?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-419&_x_tr_pto=wapp +>On a "list of harmful and undesirable literature", which has been published regularly since 1935 by the Reich Ministry for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda , or more precisely by the " Reich Literature Chamber ", there were finally 12,400 titles and the complete works of 149 authors who, because of their humanistic, democratic or were persecuted and banned because of their socialist attitude or because of their Jewish origin. +--- 14990683 +>>14990675 + +>In 1935, the Nazi organ "Die Bücherei 2:6" listed the literature that was forbidden or to be sorted out: +>The works of traitors, emigrants and authors from foreign peoples who believe they can fight and belittle the new Germany. ( H.G. Wells , Rolland ). +>The Literature of Marxism , Communism , Bolshevism . +>The pacifist literature. +>The liberalist-democratic tendencies and sentiment literature and the propagandists of the Weimar state ( Walther Rathenau , Heinrich Mann ). +>All works on history that are designed to belittle the origin, the nature and the culture of the German people, to dissolve the German people's order in its type and race, to deny the power and importance of great leaders in favor of the masses due to the idea of equality and their size in to drag the dirt ( Emil Ludwig ). +>Writings of an ideological and life-scientific character, the content of which is the false scientific explanation of primitive Darwinism and monism ( Haeckel ). +>Books about the arts whose representatives of the degenerate, bloodless, purely constructive “art” are positively acknowledged ( Grosz , Dix , Bauhaus , Mendelsohn ). +>Writings on sex education and sex education that serve the selfish pleasure of the individual and thus have a highly destructive effect on the people and race ( Hirschfeld ). +>The decadent, destructive, anti-popular literature of the “asphalt and civilization literati” ( Graf , H. Mann , Stefan Zweig , Wassermann , Franz Blei ). +>The literature of Jewish authors, no matter which areas. +>The social and entertainment literature in which life and life goals are presented in a superficial, untrue and sugary way on the basis of a bourgeois or feudal view of life. +>The nationalistic, patriotic kitsch in literature ( PO Höcker ). +--- 14990688 +>>14990683 + +>Book ban of the SS +>On June 9, 1941, the Reich Security Main Office (the ideological department of the SS for “fighting opponents of the National Socialist world view ” headed by Reichsfuhrer SS Heinrich Himmler ) issued a decree according to which “printed materials that are not included in the list of harmful and undesirable Scriptures have been classified”, were forbidden. This decree was only published in the "Order Sheet of the Chief of the Security Police and SD " of June 9, 1941. The more than 300 titles were predominantly religious, philosophical, sometimes also metaphysical and often trivial titles at first glance. The Gestapo confiscated until February 1945 books such as The Crime as an Illness by Georg Bonne (1927), Der Herrgott im Schützengraben by Max Biber or Medicinal Herbs in the Service of Beauty . Almost all of the authors on the list have been forgotten, and many of their works are not even included in the list of writings that were not allowed to be displayed between 1933 and 1945 (published by the German Library in Leipzig). The fact that Heinrich Himmler – contrary to what is often assumed – played an active role in Nazi literary policy is proven by the preamble to the “List of Harmful and Unwanted Writings”, in which Himmler was given censorship powers and, in addition to the bans, Joseph Goebbels as President of the Reich Chamber of Culture , could issue an "additional ban". +--- 14990693 +>>14990614 +I found the original 1935 "List of Harmful and Undesirable Literature", published by the Reich Ministry for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda. + +Official government document. +"Darwinism" is listed there. +Cope seethe and dilate, /pol/tranny. + +https://sammlungen.ulb.uni-muenster.de/hd/periodical/pageview/2539716 +--- 14990705 +>>14990675 +>Uhm the nahtzees had "blacklists" and banned intellectual books outside of marxism +>our source? uhm, ONE librarian made a blacklist for book burnings which mostly pertained to marxism or anti german rhetoric which has nothing to do with intellectual book removal in libraries +>I know I'm implying that these two are the same things when they're not +Okay but this has nothing to do with the list in the magazine for book advertisement does it? + +You're really grasping at straws +--- 14990711 +>>14990693 +Front cover proving its an official document +--- 14990716 +>>14990705 +Oh boy your post did not age well. Check the link right above and rope yourself. +--- 14990723 +>>14990716 +Yes yet another source has been posted that I'm sure isn't irrelevant like the last 5 sources you've posted and lied about +--- 14990730 +>>14990723 +/pol/nigs utterly buckbroken and BTFO +My job here is done. +--- 14990744 +The Nazis were goofballs. They like theatrics and dramatic gestures. Commies banned more books than them, but they did it silently, so today no one talks about their censorship, but everyone remembers the Nazi book burning as a symbol of barbarism. + +They were kind of silly like that. +--- 14990746 +>>14990730 +>government machinery was created to remove ideologically unsound textbooks from libraries but never completed by design because the regime failed to find contemporary books to replace them +hmm +--- 14990750 +>>14990746 +It's over /pol/turd. +--- 14990754 +>>14990750 +Are you going to let me debunk the other document or are you going to keep posting non-replies like the tranny you are? +--- 14990762 +>>14990744 +>Commies are cowards and liars. Nazis just do what they say is true and good. + +We already knew this. +--- 14990799 +>>14990762 +No, they just liked a big spectacle. +--- 14990815 +>>14990799 +No. You simply confuse people who do what they say for the various subversions, lies, media manipulations and showmanship do to justify the evils you commit. +--- 14990821 +>>14987990 (OP) +They should've thrown the jews in those fires and actually did the holocaust. + +Jews are an evil parasite race, as prophesied by scripture. +--- 14990832 +>>14990821 +Holocaust happened. Jews are normal people like you and me. + +>>14990815 +I'm not a fan of Nazis. They also lied a lot, so I certainly wouldn't call them honorable. +--- 14990854 +>they were just burning Jewish and tranny books! +>actually no, they burned Spinoza, Remarque, Hemingway, HG Wells. They also banned a shitload of non-Jewish, non-Marxist authors. They even banned Darwinism. +>Never happened! Jew lies! Where is da proof? +>This magazine contains the first black lists published in 1933, they mention Remaque was burned. +>This book also mentions Darwinism being banned +>That's just a random magazine! Where is da proof! The book is fake! +>Here's the 1935 official list from the Reich Ministry of Propaganda where you can find all these authors, and a bunch of others, 12,400 titles and the complete works of 149 authors. Darwinism included. +>T-that's a lie stop posting! + +Hillarious thread +--- 14990864 +>>14990832 +I'm not a fan of Nazis either, but they didn't lie afaik. Maybe you can find some some fringe individual or case, but they did what they said unlike most cuck politicians who only care about reelection. + +That being said of course like all human leaders they are deeply flawed. Do you faggots see why we need direct democracy yet? + +>>14990832 +>Jews are normal people like you and me. +A "normal people" that hated and subverted their host nations. A lot of problems could be solved if they simply left, integrated or simply hated the German tax payers they relied on less. + +The same can be said for modern migrants who hate their European hosts. They integrate or leave otherwise another holocaust is very plausible and even likely. +--- 14990880 +>>14990864 +>direct democrazy +yeah, it's never been tried and we are in bad spot so let's just give it a go, i promise nothing will go wrong. +--- 14990896 +>>14990864 +After Munich they said they won't demand more territories and then they invaded Czechia and demanded Klaipeda. So that's a lie. +They also murdered their comrades in 1934. They lied about Kristallnacht and a bunch of other things. +--- 14990910 +>>14990854 +>Spinoza +jew +>Remark, Hemmingway, Wells +anti-state books. +>shitload of non-jewish +nope +>non-marxist +nope +>banned Darwinism +not even once. +also +>the book of Darwinism +yes the famous work titled "Darwinism" + +I mean in fairness "Darwinism" is also banned by the USA, Wikipedia, the EU, and the UK. + +Evolution stops at the neck :) +--- 14990915 +>>14990832 +>Bank-Fried +>Zelensky +>Epstein +>Weinstein +>Rosenberg +>Warburg +>Soros + +yes, all totally normal people who do not operate in poisonous or vile ways relative to non-jews in their sphere. +--- 14990916 +>>14990910 +See >>14990693 +149 authors + +Cope seethe and dilate /pol/tranny. +--- 14990959 +>>14990916 +BTW by 1939 it had expanded to 4,175 individual works and 565 bans on whole authors. Do you want me to look for the 1939 edition? +--- 14990969 +>>14990880 +>it's never been tried +It has partially on a local level in Switzerland and it is fucking gloriously efficient. The Germanic part of Switzerland is the best place to live on the planet by far. + +>>14990896 +Did they? They said from the start that they want all the land taken from Germany in WW1 returned since they consider the treaty illegitimate. It's mostly Anglo cope press and Times that pretended he wants peace. Night of Long Knives is less forgivable, but they were right that Röhm was seeking power and basically spouting commie shit and wanting a second revolution. Violence should be answered with violence. + +It's all a moot point for me though to be clear, nationalism was a mistake. Pan-Europeanism is the future. +--- 14990988 +>>14990969 +Those were not German lands before WW1. They belonged to Austria-Hungary. +--- 14991126 +Almost all book burnings were done by independent student organizations. This is why nobody can actually name what books were permitted by the government to burn, because largely they weren't permitted. While it wasn't permitted, libraries and local authorities often allowed it to happen. This is when the tranny institute was raided and its books burned. + +The general guidelines of the raids were committed along the suggestions of the "blacklist" created by a Librarian called Wolfgang Hermann, one of his motivations for creating the list was in order to advance his position in Nazi popularity by demonstrating his loyalty and to overtake rival librarian organizations. + +"Lending Libraries" were said to have switched to stocking "smutt and filth" for unemployed socialists during the Weimar era and originally the goal was to remove erotica from public circulation. The rapid progression of this movement lead the librarians to instead suggest a complete reorganization of german public libraries by removing all books pertaining to "cultural Bolshevism". This movement gained the blessing of the Mayor of Berlin, Heinrich Sahm, some suggest he was "a tool of Goering". Talk about the librarian's backlist becoming official Nazi party policy was quickly shot down however. + +Wolfgang would produce his own list of 131 authors with selective books of theirs to blacklist. Most notable of which were communist Weimar era playwrights and foremost soviet revolutionary authors. There was also a list of 190 non-fiction authors including Hellen Keller's book about becoming a communist, Karl Marx, Lenin and Weimar era politicians that cozied up to the Soviets. + +Some of this literature would be symbolically publicly burned, but wasn't explicitly state sanctioned. Later the libraries were asked to remove the books from their inventories themselves (some of which wouldn't comply). +--- 14991132 +>>14991126 +In Berlin a new professor Alfred Bäumler who was friends with Nazi official Alfred Rosenberg gave a lecture to the students telling them they should proactively take the book bans into their own hands. That night some 20,000 books were burned in a huge pyre while bands played german folk songs. The books burned included Marx, Kautsky, (communists) Heinrich Mann, (for criticizing German society) Ernst Glaeser, (for generally being a degenerate leftist) Erich Kästner, (for publishing erotica) Emil Ludwig, (falsification of German history) Sigmund Freud (destructive exaggeration of desires), Theodor Wolff, Georg Bernhard, (un-German journalism of a Jewish-democratic type) Erich Maria Remarque, (literal betrayal of the soldiers of the world war) Kurt Tucholsky and Carl von Ossietzky, (impudence and presumptuousness that offended the eternal German mind). + +Goebbels would be asked by the students to give a speech at this book burning, which he did, and that concluded his involvement with the book burnings. Students in other cities followed the lead and also staged symbolic book burnings, often congratulated by faculty members, but never to the same degree. The next largest book burning was one of 1,000 books at the Technical University. A week later student organizations announced they would task students with visiting local libraries to see if they could find unwanted books still on the shelves and organize more book burnings, the scale of which were not reported (so probably insignificant). A total of 93 book burnings took place, a majority of which were independent without Nazi directive and the scale of which aren't known, but it's safe to assume they weren't larger than 1,000 and were likely a few dozen at a time. + +Wolfgang Hermann, the librarian who started the book banning craze would later be tossed under the bus after it was discovered he directly criticized Hitler's Mein Kampf and called Hitler stupid in 1932. +--- 14991158 +>>14990916 +Based +--- 14991204 +>>14990854 +>Banned Darwinism +Darwinism is a huge aspect of National Socialist and racialist ideology in general, and fanatical Christfaggots hated National Socialism because they taught evolution in schools. OK sure, they banned Hemingway and Tolkien , and while there's no evidence they went out of their way to burn their books like the tranny books, I still disagree with that, just because the Nazis were better than the alternative does not mean they were perfect. +--- 14991214 +>>14991204 +This guy gets it +--- 14991287 +>>14988049 +>>14988161 +>>14988163 +over 25,000 volumes of books were burned that day you retards. Obviously most of it wasn't tranny books +--- 14991353 +>>14991287 +Doesn't sound like much to be honest. If there were only 100 books targeted by the regime, that would only be 250 copies per title, which is pretty much nothing. In the U.S alone, eight hundred million printed books were sold last year to put things in perspective, and this is in the advent of the internet where reading is far less popular. +--- 14991357 +>>14991204 +The trannies in this thread are trying to conflate independent student book burnings with state sanctioned book burnings which never existed. What did exist (two years after the book burnings in 1935) was a general condemnation of certain literature. Some local authorities would confiscate books but there was zero means of actual national enforcement, individual states in Germany had different enforcement policies. In Bavaria for example the police operated on a list they created themselves that was never given the green light by the federal government. + +Goebbels created a national list of "forbidden" books. This was largely to prevent the confiscation of "okay" books rather than the federal sanctioning of book confiscation, as local police book confiscations by state were largely contradictory and lead to a lot of confusion. A Nazi official from Bavaria brought to Goebbel's attention that over 1000 publications had been banned there and 21 different authorities. This was bad propaganda for the Nazi party as international criticism of Germany's admittedly hair-brained book confiscations was quickly becoming a low-hanging fruit. Eventually all title proposals for federal lists were submitted to the National Chamber of Literature. All scientific literature was excluded. Even after this the Bavarian police continued to issue "improper book bans" and local police confiscation of literature elsewhere at their own discretion continued. +--- 14991563 +>>14991357 +Basically what happened was the lists were made, and then nobody relevant was notified. Because the Nazis didn't want and publicity that they were actually considering banning books. On the ground level this meant if you stocked a book on their list and nazi officials learned of this, they could show up at your bookstore, take the book, and give you a hefty fine. This decentralized nature of censorship was in no way actually effective. The official Nazi party position was that librarians did not need to know the list of forbidden books because if their heart was in the right place they wouldn't stock them anyway. + +This policy changed in 1940 when they judged the foreign press to be already at max hostility that disclosing the list would no longer be harmful diplomatically. By 1942 however book bans "had become extremely rare". (largely because they ran out of paper) +--- 14991564 +>>14987990 (OP) +Retarded, like everything else the naziniggers did +--- 14991691 +>>14990693 +>Darwinism +Are you retarded? Darwinism is used there as a category. So those books somehow related to Darwinism. Darwinism wasn't banned to any extend. Haeckel, the guy who made Darwinism popular in Germany in the first place, was vital for volkist and racial thought and celebrated as a great thinker by National Socialists. The actual books mentioned are Die Darwinische Theory. This was written by Edward Aveling who was a well known Marxist who literally married Marx's daughter and he was also the one who worked with Engels in translating Kapital into English. The other book is literally called Das ist Faschismus which I can't find but probably is something along the line of darwinism = fascism = bad. +--- 14992047 +>>14990693 +lmao you're so fucking dumb, just as one would expect of someone who sucks Jewish dicks all day. + +That page page refers to a satirist who goes by the pseudonym Dr. Darwinsohn and lists two of his books, one of them called "Die Darwin'sche Theorie in Umwandlungs-Versen." At no point did the NS government even think about instituting a blanket ban on books discussing Darwinism. + +>>14990562 +>Schizo shit +The fact that you dismiss it as such despite the fact that it is so easily verifiable after I've given you citations of publicly accessible scripture is just further proof of your mental retardation. +People like you actually need censorship, otherwise you start snipping off your own genitals. +--- 14992187 +>>14991691 +Haecklel was banned by name. See >>14988569 +The list on which he was named was "Die Bücherei 2:6". +--- 14992219 +>>14992187 +Nope, you're conflating multiple datasets from multiple jurisdictions with varying levels of authenticity, book bans were not uniform in any way. The only "darwinists" banned were "vulgar darwinists" which believed that evolution was linear and that genes simply passing on caused the animal to "progress" rather than there being any sort of sexual selection and breeding. This is what happens when you have rationalist socialists attempting to bridge the gap between natural selection and philosophy, it turns to shit +--- 14992257 +>>14987990 (OP) +--- 14992274 +>>14992219 +Do you have a source for that? +--- 14992276 +>>14988361 +>just trust me bro, I promise whoever made this list was actually there and saw it happen! +kys retard +--- 14992283 +>>14988939 +--- 14992321 +>>14992274 +Do you have a source for anything you post? Oh yeah +--- 14992355 +>>14992187 +He wasn't fully banned, only some of his works were. That list specifically mentions those dealing with monism (which was banned fully) and primative darwinism. Primative Darwinism referring to his recapitulation theory if I had to guess. Even then after he was ''banned'' there were still works written about him calling him a pioneer of National Socialism, mostly by a member of the SS. +--- 14992377 +>>14992276 +You niggers use it all the time in your arguments so why shouldn't I?. And no don't just say that "it's to own the Jews". +--- 14992384 +>>14992355 +He wasn't even banned, you can look for his name in the official lists >>14990693 the tranny posted and his name isn't in there. It's a complete fabrication the nazis banned Haeckel +--- 14992410 +>>14992321 +I'm the only person that has posted sources in this whole thread. (Sources, not infographics). + +See +>>14988569 +>>14988708 +>>14988811 +>>14988950 +>>14988940 +>>14990693 + +You are just coping that the Nazis were subhuman retards that banned Victor Hugo, HG Wells, Oscar Wilde, Scott Fitzgerald, Aldous Huxley, Remarque, Dos Passos, Jurists like Benedetto Croce, Scientists like Niels Bohr or Einstein, and on and on it goes. Nazis were fucking retards. + +Aldous Huxley banned in this particular page. +--- 14992421 +>>14992384 +Nope he was banned. The list on which he was named is "Die Bücherei 2:6", of which I couldn't find a scan for online, but there's plenty of secondary sources quoting that document that attest he was banned. +--- 14992429 +>>14990472 +How is it unreasonable for me to demand a detailed list of these Jewish authors and what they wrote? +--- 14992441 +>>14992421 +>Nope he was banned +Nope, he wasn't. Your own source doesn't have him listed. The only thing that says he was banned was the screenshot you took of an unsourcable claim + +This is sad as fuck by the way +--- 14992455 +>>14992441 +Strothmann (1960) says he was banned. +Cope. +--- 14992456 +Any sort of book burning/ banning, no matter how degenerate the books are, makes you look like a panicking loser who's out of options. By all means control what kids in school have to read but going so far to eliminate ideas is at best a complete waste of time, made even more obsolete by the existence of the Internet +--- 14992458 +>>14992441 +>this is sad as fuck by the way +Eh, you don't post anything, he posts actual documents. +--- 14992467 +>>14992458 +He posts the actual nazi list of names and claims people are on the list when anybody can read the list and see that they're not there, then has the gall to double down + +Typical leftist tranny behavior +--- 14992473 +>>14992456 +There won't be a need to ban anything because we will have 1984-style Orwellian Social Credit Score chip implants. thanks to the type of governments these authoritarian simps seem to be excited about. + +>>14992467 +The initial claim was that the Nazis didn't ban any books and just burned some tranny stuff. So I accept your concession. +--- 14992475 +>>14990744 +>Commies banned more books than them + +Nazi Germany only lasted for 12 years +The Soviet Union lasted 74 years + +Of course the commies banned more books, because they lasted longer and had more time to ban certain books that didn't fit their world view. If Nazi Germany lasted just about the same, they would've banned just as much. Fucking retard. +--- 14992501 +>>14992473 +The initial claim was that the NAHTZEES didn't sanction book burning, which they didn't. You have doubled down and are trying to claim they banned authors they didn't ban, book burning was not carried out by the german government like you love to imply and banning was sporadically enforced and mostly concerned the big bads like Marx, Lenin and other marxists or people espousing marxism. This VEXES you because your entire narrative revolves around Evil nazis burning schoolbooks in some sort of anti-intellectual ritual, which never happened +--- 14992540 +>>14992501 +>The initial claim was that the NAHTZEES didn't sanction book burning, which they didn't. +Yes they did, it was Nazi student organizations which did the book burnings, and as you said yourself they had the blessings of certain government officials and mayors. + +>You have doubled down and are trying to claim they banned authors they didn't ban +Cope or post a source proving me wrong. You can't. + +>book burning was not carried out by the german government like you love to imply +If Biden supporters begun ransacking bookstores and burning books, and the police was not mobilized to arrest these people, rather Democrat mayors spoke in favor of it, what would you call that? + +>and banning was sporadically enforced and mostly concerned the big bads like Marx, Lenin and other marxists or people espousing marxism. +Nope, as has been proven only a small proportion were Marxist or Jewish books. In fact their biggest hardon seemed to be reserved for WW1 era pacifists like Remarque. + +>Evil nazis burning schoolbooks in some sort of anti-intellectual ritual, which never happened +It's what's literally happening on the OP webm + +This VEXES you because your entire narrative revolves around Evil nazis burning schoolbooks in some sort of anti-intellectual ritual, which never happened +--- 14992548 +>>14992540 +>student organizations burned the le books! +Yup, prove the nazis told them to +--- 14992569 +>>14992548 +They were Nazis. Nazi students, party members and youth wings. + +They were gloating about it on the press too. +See >>14990103 >>14990092 + +Auto-da-fe = Book burnings. +--- 14992589 +>>14992569 +>the were socialists, so I get to claim everything they did was sanctioned by the federal government +So if I'm a registered democrat and shoot up an elementary full of mexican children, that's a democrat sanctioned action? +--- 14992598 +>>14992421 +Ah I found it. First off. +http://ualibr-exhibits.s3-website-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/burnedbooks/documents.htm +On here it was called Guidelines from Die Bücherei. +It's actual full name is Richtlinie für Bibliotheken und Büchereien der sächsischen Regierung. So those ''laws'' were only for saxony and not real laws since they were just a short description of things they were expected to self censor. Overall he appears on not a single black list which were the actual banned books and those guidelines didn't count for most of Germany. Also most likely when they refer to libraries they don't include academic libraries since they allowed far more and had their own set of rules. +--- 14992600 +>>14992589 +No, if a Democrat Party Youth Organization shot up a school, were not condemned by the party, were not arrested but complimented for it by Democrat mayors, and you saw them parade next to Biden on the next rally then we could say it was a Democrat-sanctioned action. +--- 14992615 +>>14992600 +The US had tons of socialist student organizations generally fucking shit up in the 60's and 70's, but they were never condemned by the left + +I'm not following your logic here +--- 14992617 +>>14992598 +So he was banned in Saxony, that's your backtracking? Appreciate the source, for once. +--- 14992629 +>>14992615 +You are not following the logic because you are a chimpanzee that sees everything in black and white. Leftists organizations that "fucked shit up" (whatever that means) should have been condemned. + +Doubt it was on the same scale as kristallnach or the book burnings but yeah they did a lot of bad shit in the 1960s and 1970s. Like that Weathermen guy who should be in jail. +--- 14992630 +>>14992617 +He wasn't banned by the federal government, so you can't blame nazis for banning him + +dumb cunt +--- 14992641 +>>14992629 +Oh I get it, the only reason you get to blame the nazi government for things students did is because they're the evil nazis and you get to make shit up about them +--- 14992643 +>>14992630 +So who ruled Saxony? + +>muh Federal government +Stop thinking everything in Amermutt terms btw, there was no federalism in Nazi Germany because the party controlled everything from the top down. +--- 14992646 +>>14992617 +>So he was banned in Saxony +I literally said he wasn't. A description of ''hey maybe you shouldn't publish this guy'' is not anything the same as banning him. It was never made illegal in any way. +--- 14992659 +>>14992643 +>the party controlled everything +>every state did whatever they wanted pertaining to book bans +Yeah reality isn't corroborating your narrative troon +--- 14992664 +>>14992641 +>Nazi officers and soldiers wearing the Nazi armband, together with students, tossing books into the fire +>Nazi media and officers praise them +>ACTHUALLY IT WASN'T THE NAT-ZEES +Saddest cope so far ITT. +--- 14992688 +>>14992664 +Right so if I'm a registered democrat and shoot a school full of mexican children that's a democrat sanctioned action despite no record of that ever being ordered +--- 14992696 +>>14992646 +>is not anything the same as banning him. It was never made illegal in any way. +That's not what the sources say. Do you have anything to back this up this claim and contradict decades of scholarship on this subject? + +>>14992659 +It wasn't a state list however, it was a Nazi Party organ. You are the one claiming this was limited to Saxony. (With no proof of it). +--- 14992716 +>>14992688 +If a Biden Minister called for purging the poison from the libraries, Biden student youth organizations begun ransacking libraries and burning books, Democrat mayors praised them for it and they were still Party members proudly marching at rallies then yes we could say this was a Democrat-instigated action. +--- 14992717 +>>14992696 +Wolfgang Hermann was a nazi party organ? +--- 14992732 +>>14992717 +Die Bücherei. +Try to keep up, we are at 1935. +--- 14992740 +>>14992732 +Right the list made in 1935 doesn't have the people you claim it has listed. + +So are you a liar or retarded +--- 14992745 +>>14992740 +Die Bücherei 2:6 is a different list. You may be too dumb to follow the conversation. +--- 14992750 +>>14992745 +So now you're citing a third list? In order to prove the second list is actually the third list? +--- 14992754 +>>14992750 +I've always spoken of three lists. +See >>14990675 >>14990683 >>14990688 +--- 14992785 +>>14992754 +Okay so if you concede that you're citing three different lists in tandem, you concede you were lying about the official list in 1935 containing somebody it didn't? +--- 14992796 +>>14992785 +All three are official lists and two of them are from 1935, so no, I never lied. Darwinism is mentioned on the "List of Harmful and Undesirable Literature" and Haeckel is on Die Bücherei 2:6, both from 1935. +--- 14992810 +>>14992796 +>All three are official lists +Even if you claim this, you were claiming lists contained names they didn't, and only after me pointing out your lies did you bring up "the three lists" +--- 14992815 +>>14992696 +I literally gave you the source. The idea he was ''bannend'' isn't said anywhere but by you misinterpreting from a provincial memo that they didn't like him and were advised not to have him/publish him. even the source earlier >>14988569 only refers to it as guidelines (and forgets to mention it was for exactly one state) and not that it was put on any black list and thus banned to any capacity. +>contradict decades of scholarship on this subject? +You're just pulling that out of your ass since you have absolutely 0 evidence to back up your claims. + +If you were to look at actual scholarly research it's not that simple. In general the specific view of race based thinking he had was nearly the exact same as that of Hitler. Some National Socialists didn't like him much (though that guideline is basically the only hard evidence) but a very good amount directly saw him as a forerunner with artical and books being written about him. + +As for the source. The book those guidelines came from is literally just called: Richtlinien für die Bestandsprüfung in den Volksbüchereien Sachsens +--- 14992839 +>>14992810 +Please point out where I lied. + +>>14992815 +>advised not to have him/publish him +AKA banning. + +Do you have a source proving Die Bücherei was only for one state? It's described as a Nazi party organ. + +>You're just pulling that out of your ass since you have absolutely 0 evidence to back up your claims. +Nope, see >>14988569 + +Anyway, books promoting Darwinism are also blanket-banned on the "List of Harmful Books and Undesirable Literature", which was nationwide. + +>Some National Socialists didn't like him much (though that guideline is basically the only hard evidence) but a very good amount directly saw him as a forerunner with artical and books being written about him. +Yes I've said this from the very beginning, he fell out of favor with the Nazis in 1935. +--- 14992886 +>>14992839 +>Please point out where I lied. +>>14988508 +>>14988515 +>>14988525 +>>14992187 +--- 14992902 +>>14992886 +There's not a single lie on any of those posts. He was banned on Die Bücherei, 1935. +--- 14992916 +>>14992902 +>There's not a single lie +Yes you've been lying the entire thread that Haeckel was banned, when asked to provide a source you provide sources that don't list him, then claim his name is on the list when it isn't. Now you're citing another list, one that you also can't source, because you've realized that the only list you've actually provided actually proves you wrong +--- 14992932 +>>14992839 +>AKA banning. +No it isn't. Advising means it's not a law to any capacity so it's not illegal. It was also only published in a journal. So a journal, even if it is connected to the state, saying those kind of books should be banned, is nothing close to an actual law. +>Do you have a source proving Die Bücherei was only for one state? +Yes. Like I said. The tital already literally says it's for saxony. if you want a different source, the role of darwinism in nazi racial thought by Weikart also refers to it as a journal only published in saxony. So it was either fully available in one state or had different politcal articals for different states +>Nope, see >>14988569 +Retard. I literally quoted that because that source also doesn't say it was banned. Only put on a guidelines list. A guideline is not banned (let alone a guideline in a journal). The black list were actual banned books. +>books promoting Darwinism +Jezus chirst mate. I already pointed out here >>14992355 why that's just a complete lie. +>he fell out of favor with the Nazis in 1935. +No he didn't. Like I also said before he was still spoken of positively after that. A whole biography got published of him in 36 where he was called a forerunner on National Socialist racial thought. +--- 14992943 +>>14992916 +>Yes you've been lying the entire thread that Haeckel was banned +Holy cope. He was banned. I provided a book which mentions he was banned and some retard claimed this wasn't enough proof so I went digging for the original lists. + +>when asked to provide a source you provide sources that don't list him +I provided the 1935 list because another retard argued the Nazis never banned books at all. Kek. + +>then claim his name is on the list when it isn't +Never happened. + +>Now you're citing another list, one that you also can't source, because you've realized that the only list you've actually provided actually proves you wrong +Another anon posted the Die Bücherei guidelines here. + +http://ualibr-exhibits.s3-website-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/burnedbooks/documents.htm + +tl;dr - +Darwinism was banned in the 1935 "List of Harmful and Undesirable Books". +Haeckel was banned on Die Bücherei (1935) +Scholars like Strothmann mention Haeckel was banned by name. + +Cope, seethe and dilate. +--- 14992950 +>>14992943 +>the Nazis never banned books at all +It's arguable if they did really, the enforcement of the book bans sounds so spotty that it was pretty much random, not to mention how much it was left up to the states and local authorities +--- 14992955 +>>14992932 +There is no proof for any of your claims. Post proof or fuck off. + +And yes, the guidelines were guidelines for confiscating books, it's a de facto ban. "To be confiscated", quoted by Strothmann, see >>14988811 +--- 14992959 +>>14992950 +That's not what the numerous authors on this topic claim. +--- 14992961 +>>14992955 +You have still failed to provide the source for Strothmann's claims, the only source you have posted doesn't include the names you claimed it did +--- 14992967 +>>14992959 +>DUH NUMERDOUS AUDORS +well if they're as retarded as you I can understand why this historical event is so ambiguous +--- 14992969 +>>14992959 +those numerous authors were also made to look like fools when in the 90s when a bunch of information on how lenient the Gestapo had been was released. +--- 14992970 +>>14992961 +Haeckel is on one list. +Darwinism is on another. + +Burden of proof is on you to prove the first list was not banning any books and the second list did not really extend to actual Darwinism but just "leftist Darwinists" or whatever cope is you are claiming. +--- 14992971 +>>14992970 +>Haeckel is on one list +you have failed to provide a single list with his name on it +--- 14992975 +>>14992967 +>scholar says something +>um acthually this is wrong, no I have no proof to why this is wrong it just is OK? +Why do Stormtards have so much trouble coming up with credible sources? +--- 14992981 +>>14992971 +http://ualibr-exhibits.s3-website-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/burnedbooks/documents.htm +--- 14992998 +>>14992975 +>can't provide evidence +>"scholars" all citing the same source +>refuse to provide that source +>source is rare, probably because it's bullshit/nobody cares +>double down and claim source that you can provide proves you right when it actually proves you wrong (lie) +tranny leftist +--- 14993002 +>>14992998 +Never happened. +--- 14993015 +>>14992955 +>There is no proof for any of your claims +I gave you the literal title and a source confirming it was only in saxony, that it was only a journal calling for it so it wasn't anything close to a ban. The book I'm speaking of praising him is Bluts- und Geistes- Erbe by Heinz Brücher, an SS Hauptsturmführer and published in 36. +Your ''proof'' meanwhile is misreading of one quote and another taken out of context and a completle. + +>the guidelines were guidelines for confiscating books +How hard is it to understand that calling for books to be confiscated and banned in a damn journal is nothing close to an actual state sanctioned ban through law. +--- 14993023 +>>14992981 +>The German Students' Association (Main Office for Press and Propaganda) is conducting a propaganda campaign named "Against the un-German Spirit" +>The German Students' Association +>The German Students' Association was founded during the Weimar Republic period +Can you provide a source that this student organization predating the formation of the nazi party was controlled by the nazi party? +--- 14993035 +>>14993015 +I'm just basing myself on the only link you yourself provided. It's described as a Nazi journal for libraries (no mention of it being limited to Saxony), as part of the plan to "cleanse" libraries (that is, confiscate said books). + +Darwinism in general is also mentioned on the official 1935 List of Harmful and Undesirable Books. (This qualifies as your "state sanctioned ban through law"). +--- 14993038 +>>14993035 +>Darwinism in general is also mentioned +Another lie +--- 14993041 +>>14993038 +So prove your claims. +--- 14993049 +>>14993041 +The specific quote is "the darwinian theory that is fascism", I don't know what the fuck that means but it's not strictly natural selection +--- 14993054 +>>14993023 +--- 14993063 +>>14993054 +yes there were multiple student unions, the one you posted was not the national socialist student union +--- 14993071 +>>14993063 +Both are mentioned on the pic, one controlled the other. +--- 14993074 +>>14993035 +>It's described as a Nazi journal for libraries (no mention of it being limited to Saxony) +When I gave you that link I literally said the real title. You can just search that in google and find it but apperently that's a bit too difficult for you. +>as part of the plan to "cleanse" libraries +Indeed. It indicates a plan or desire to do so in this case. Not an acutal law. That's why it's a guideline in a journal, not a blacklist +>Darwinism in general is also mentioned +That's just a blatant lie. It says primitive Darwinism. So old ideas of darwinism proven false (like his recapitulation theory), racial theories they just didn't agree with (which he also had some of) and most likely also including darwinism based on racial anthropology (35 was also the year the major switch from racial anthropology to genetics happend so it might very well be connected to that.) +>This qualifies as your "state sanctioned ban through law'' +It doesn't, like I've repeated a million times by now. A journal calling for something is not anything of an actual ban through law. +--- 14993076 +>>14993071 +And how did this "part" of a student union get its orders from the nazi party, and do you have proof of these direct orders to create a list of banned books? +--- 14993096 +>>14993074 +>When I gave you that link I literally said the real title. You can just search that in google and find it but apperently that's a bit too difficult for you. +I can google just fine, I want the proof that these "guidelines" were just limited to Saxony. + +>It indicates a plan or desire to do so in this case. +A plan to confiscate books. + +>That's just a blatant lie. It says primitive Darwinism. +No, the List of Harmful and Undesirable Books says "Darwinism" period. + +>So old ideas of darwinism proven false (like his recapitulation theory), racial theories they just didn't agree with (which he also had some of) and most likely also including darwinism based on racial anthropology (35 was also the year the major switch from racial anthropology to genetics happend so it might very well be connected to that.) +Banning science you don't agree with is never a good thing. Now you are gonna try to compare this with the West but you can go on Amazon.com and buy the Bell Curve and similar authors just fine. + +>A journal calling for something is not anything of an actual ban through law. +The List of Harmful and Undesirable Books is a ban through law. +--- 14993108 +>>14993076 +>And how did this "part" of a student union get its orders from the nazi party +It was literally a wing of the Nazi Party. + +>do you have proof of these direct orders to create a list of banned books +I don't need to do that, the Nazi Ministry of Propaganda created a list of banned books themselves. +--- 14993116 +>>14993108 +>literally a wing of the Nazi Party +>a student union +that should be really easy to prove +--- 14993118 +>>14993116 +It's on this pic underlined in green, are you retarded or what? >>14993054 +--- 14993179 +>>14993118 +So you're saying that since a nazi official was the leader of a student union which published a list of books it didn't like that wasn't okayed by the german government and then staged book burnings which also weren't okayed by the german government which were largely symbolic and extremely limited in scope that means the german government banned Ernst Haeckel even though the list from the german government of banned books doesn't include him because somehow a student union is actually the nazi party because it has a nazi official running it +--- 14993190 +>>14993096 +>I can google just fine, I want the proof that these "guidelines" were just limited to Saxony. +The title literally states it was for saxony and I already gave you a paper also stating it was for saxony. So I already did. +>A plan to confiscate books. +In this case a plan by a journal with no actual implementation. +>the List of Harmful and Undesirable Books says "Darwinism" period +The list you mention form 35 doesn't. The other list mentions it like a catogory like I already explained earlier. So books banned for some reason involving Darwinism. So either you are wilfully misinterperting it or you are just retarded and can't read. +>Banning science you don't agree with is never a good thing +It's not just disagreable. It was completely wrong + They also didn't ban it. Secondly academic libraries had far fewer restrictions on them. They even had forbidden section where you could get the real anti-government stuff if you needed it. +>The List of Harmful and Undesirable Books is a ban through law. +The blacklist was, since that was acutally implemented by the government itself. haeckel never appeared on that one. A list (it not even being a list of books) like that in 35 is not a law in any way. It's like an opinion piece in a paper. +--- 14993229 +>>14993179 +>a nazi official was the leader of a student union which published a list of books it didn't like +The German National Socialist Student's Union never published any list of books, they just did the book burnings. You seem a bit retarded. + +The first list ever was published by a Nazi-affilitated librarian in 1933. The actual official lists of banned books came later, two lists in 1935 (One by the Reich Ministry of Propaganda and another list of "Guidelines" for "cleansing libraries" by the Nazi party), and a third list was published by the SS in 1941. + +>wasn't okayed by the german government and then staged book burnings which also weren't okayed by the german government +They were praised for it. Nazi officers and party members also took part as you can see on the OP webm. + +>that means the german government banned Ernst Haeckel even though +No, those are separate events. You are attempting to conflate them and make a jumbled mess because you ran out of arguments. + +>a student union is actually the nazi party because it has a nazi official running it +It's literally called the National Socialist German Student's Union. Retard. +--- 14993251 +>>14987990 (OP) +Book burning is necessary to prevent the reproduction of an idea second to killing the humans who still believe in that idea +--- 14993267 +>>14993035 +Darwinism is not a book. +Darwinism as a concept is also banned by the US, UK, wikipedia, and EU. +--- 14993271 +>>14993190 +>The title literally states it was for saxony and I already gave you a paper also stating it was for saxony. So I already did. +That doesn't prove it was only limited to Saxony. It's just the original title. The scholars that investigated this, list Haeckel as being banned. + +>In this case a plan by a journal with no actual implementation. +This is what I want, proof that it was never implemented. + +>The list you mention form 35 doesn't. The other list mentions it like a catogory like I already explained earlier. So books banned for some reason involving Darwinism. So either you are wilfully misinterperting it or you are just retarded and can't read. +If it was only a few books why would they mention "Darwinism"? Why not just the authors and books? + +>They also didn't ban it. +Proof? + +>The blacklist was, since that was acutally implemented by the government itself. haeckel never appeared on that one. +No, just Darwinism. + +>It's like an opinion piece in a paper. +No, it's an official Nazi guideline as part of their second campaign to "cleanse" libraries. +--- 14993272 +>>14992429 +You have been provided with them and you deny the evidence. +--- 14993327 +>>14993271 +>That doesn't prove it was only limited to Saxony +The titel from the original 35 source literally saying it was for Saxony sure as hell means it was for saxony. +>The scholars that investigated this, list Haeckel as being banned +No they don't. They basically always refer to him being mentioned on that list from 35, that list doesn't indicate he was banned but that at least some people didn't like him, I've not seen any source yet say he was actually banned, just put on that list which called for but didn't actually ban anything. +>This is what I want, proof that it was never implemented. +>Proof? +If he was banned, he would be on the black list, which he wasn't, so he wasn't banned. You claim he was banned, your source is only a guidline from 35 which wasn't a law but just published in a jounral and thus not proof of anything. So you have no proof he was ever banned. +>Why not just the authors and books? +The literally mention the books under that. Stating Darwinism simply gives a reason why they were banned. +>No, just Darwinism. +As a catogory. +>No, it's an official Nazi guideline as part of their second campaign to "cleanse" libraries. +Aha, A guidline, so no law, in a jounral. +Let me make it clearer to you. If you have a newspaper which is funded by the government and they publish an opinion piece saying that National Socialist books like mein kampf should be banned, does this mean it's an actual law the government has? no of course not. A jounral calling for something without any government implementation is not a law. +--- 14993379 +>>14993272 +I'm not denying the evidence you ape. I'm simply asking for a detailed list. You fuckers have done it in the past with communists, mainstream media, government officials, etc. Why not the banned authors? Is it really that hard? +--- 14993395 +>>14993379 +fuck, off nonce chimp +--- 14993408 +>>14993379 +Because the banned authors reveal what morons the Nazi were. I mean they banned Bohr... and even in music, stuff like Debussy. + +Why do Nazis hate Western civilization so much? + +https://youtu.be/qNoq240t54I [Embed] +--- 14993415 +>>14992410 +They banned HG Wells because he wrote a socialist book named The Outline of History: Being a Plain History of Life and Mankind where he rejected all theories of racial and civilizational superiority. +--- 14993534 +>>14993408 +>Bohr +Probably because he was Jewish and helped refugees escape. Probably was banned after he feld when they tried to arrest him. +>Debussy +Married a Jew +--- 14993693 +>>14993534 +Pathetic + +https://youtu.be/CvFH_6DNRCY [Embed] +--- 14993715 +>>14993408 +>DE NAHTZEES WERE LE DUMB +>okay? why? +>DEY BANNED COMMUNISM LIDERADURE +and that's bad... why? +--- 14993722 +>>14993229 +>The German National Socialist Student's Union never published any list of books +your source is literally a list produced by the student union, is it not? Or once again are you posting about a source that you don't even know what it is +--- 14993757 +>>14993035 +>they hated Bauhaus +Oh no, but he was the progenitor of all ugly soulless corporate art we have today, why were the Nazis so evil that they wanted to take that from us? +--- 14994107 +>>14993327 +You haven't provided a single source saying the second round of cleansing of libraries was never followed through. I don't see why it wouldn't. The sources I've posted say it was followed through, that it was a de facto ban (the books were to be "confiscated" as per Strothmann). + +>>14993722 +No, if you are talking about this list, it was published by the Reich Ministry of Propaganda. >>14990693 + +>>14993757 +Nazi and fascist futurism was just as souless. + +https://historycollection.com/day-history-sitting-bull-surrenders/ + +I'm posting the "nicest" building on the list so that you see I'm not being biased. Souless trash. +--- 14994109 +>>14994107 +No I'm not talking about that, and you know that you retarded commie +--- 14994123 +>>14994109 +None of the lists I posted came from any student organization, I don't know where you are getting this from schizo. + +1933 list came from a Nazi-affiliated librarian, was adopted as a black list in Prussia. +1935 list came from the German Ministry of Propaganda. +The 1935 guidelines came from the Nazi party. +The 1941 list came from the SS. diff --git a/his/14988056.txt b/his/14988056.txt index 5324e549846cad77b55c369bce75400d0ac10a92..1781f94756b34dcd1f0c03cd75c7a32c81d5fa31 100644 --- a/his/14988056.txt +++ b/his/14988056.txt @@ -92,3 +92,66 @@ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GI-K4aCqCbk&pp=ygUMRWNoZWxvbiBzb25n [Embed] --- 14988966 >>14988714 Unironically how many train threads are there a month? I see one, maybe two and they die with less 10 posts +--- 14989375 +>>14988966 +We need more. The trains threads are being surpressed by the big coal companies. + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHkKJfcBXcw [Embed] +--- 14991079 +Trains are more effective in war then cars so since /his/ likes to talk about war they are biased towards them. +--- 14991092 +>>14988056 (OP) +Ca/n/cer infects every board. + +They worship the state so they think you should only be allowed where corporate and public transit allows you to go and only when the corpos and state lets you travel. +--- 14991116 +>>14988271 +>LOVE living in NYC the original Walkable City(tm). +Imagine being this wrong and retarded +--- 14991374 +>>14988056 (OP) +Trains are living history. Look at pic related, Pennsylvania Railroad T1 5550 which is currently being rebuild by a shit ton of 4chan autists who are getting funding from normie autists +--- 14991424 +>>14988379 +I wish there was more train /his/ instead of “trains are for commies” and “why can’t we have high speed rail like the rest of the world?” Pic isn’t the Wild West but upper Manhattan in the 1870s. +--- 14991469 +>>14991424 +I wish we had more art deco trains. Everything is either remarkably bland or walking advertisements for shit like Marvel +--- 14991762 +>>14988121 +>>14988275 +>>14988734 +>>14988966 +>>14989375 +/n/igger threads +>>14991525 → +>>14978252 → +--- 14993564 +>>14991469 +I’m a massive steamfag but the Art Deco streamliner era was peak rail, and of course there was streamlined steam. +--- 14993573 +>>14988056 (OP) +Seething cageoid +--- 14993601 +>>14991374 +That 30s design is really neat. I'd love to see one of these go back into commission. +--- 14993602 +>>14988056 (OP) +>There's too many train and "le walkable city" shill threads +I'd say there's not enough. Trains are zooming gigachad vehicles reking the everlasting shit out of your gay sojatruck. +>yeehaw i got big truck i gon drive while the signal's on like a cowb-ACK +--- 14993624 +>>14993564 +Art deco is a bit later than the style I prefer which is that of the Gilded Age. Link related + +https://www.sarasotamagazine.com/arts-and-entertainment/2017/07/riding-the-rails-of-history-with-john-ringling-s-wisconsin + +This might have been the rail museum I visited though I could swear it was Andrew Carnegie's personal railcar which is what we saw. +--- 14994085 +>>14991092 +>>14991762 +Honestly, I would rather have another /n/ thread then another schizo thread about Hitler being a Muslim. At least you learn something cool about trains and design. + +But as always: Cars > Trains +--- 14994093 +I bike to work :) diff --git a/his/14988335.txt b/his/14988335.txt index 1cc57292b51e2facfb5b252cacb58de39ec31dd9..a285847b26416705825a5a157ba76b5facb8f26e 100644 --- a/his/14988335.txt +++ b/his/14988335.txt @@ -165,3 +165,250 @@ Early Americans are all midwit descendants of English social rejects and Ir*sh, >"no" >closes down recruitment offices +--- 14989974 +>>14989258 +Thanks. +I always thought semi-professional army become a thing durring mid-West expansion +--- 14990350 +>>14988887 +Besides railroads, steam powered warships and transports were a huge factor in the western theater. Andrew Jackson slaughtered crack British troops at New Orleans in 1815, but the south’s largest city was lost in a nearly bloodless stroke once Union warships steamed past the Mississippi River forts. Navigable rivers were daggers into the heart of the western Confederacy and much of Grant’s success in 1862-63 came from cooperation with naval forces. Those brown water naval battles were very unique, something never seen before or since. +--- 14990386 +>>14989097 +There had always been a small Regular Army focused on Indian fighting and coastal forts, but bigging up to hundreds of thousands of soldiers on either side required “glorified militia” i.e. state volunteer regiments. The West Point officer corps was divided and spread thin and plenty of civilian amateurs found themselves leading troops. All this accounts for so many battles turning into chaotic barroom brawls, especially in the early years. +--- 14990448 +>>14988990 +>he didnt do enough damage to stop Lee from running wild +he completely checked Lee's strongest foray into the Political North when the Confederacy was at its relative height. +>you dont win by having a better KDR +Generals do not win wars between Democracies, Politicians decide the Outcome. +However, Where and When Generals do win wars, KDR is the most significant factor. +Take too many losses nothing can save you. Have a good KDR and you can spare your nation from even a defeat. +>dedicated cavalry +everyone had "dedicated cavalry" +>skilled and aggressive +Couldnt pull the same tricks on McClellan tho. +>nobody is perfect +true, but Grant is awful compared to McClellan, these are just the facts. +>McClellanfag +worst attempt at trying to fit in +--- 14990456 +>>14989112 +>constitutional ideals +hardly, They fighting for White Nationalism in the North and fighting for White Separatism in the South. +>>14989283 +America began to outpace England in 1815. +--- 14990625 +>Grant to the end of his days denied hotly that he'd been "jumped" at Shiloh. Shortly after the battle he wrote to Elihu Washburn a letter stating "Did they expect 30,000 men, most of them completely raw, to stand off 70,000 of the enemy? (at this point Grant was still harboring the misapprehension that the Confederates had a much larger army). To retreat across the Tennessee would make that river into a second Potomac. It would have prolonged the war by an additional six months and probably required a completely new army to be raised."[3] +--- 14990635 +>>14990350 +good effort post. thanks. +--- 14990641 +>>14988726 +McClellan forced Lee to attack him through clever positioning and strategy and the protection of his supply lines. +Grant failed to do the same and thus was forced to fight on Lee's terms. +--- 14990645 +>It was said that "The city of New Orleans never smiled again after Shiloh." The South knew from that point onward the war was a lost cause. Their best chance at victory had been to destroy Grant's army and they had not quite pulled it off. And much of that was due to Grant's singular stubbornness and refusal to accept defeat. +--- 14990668 +>>14990645 +well no, it was due to 15,000 fucking men showing up and shifting the numbers heavily against the Confederates when they were previously equalized with a Confederate advantage. + +The war wasnt lost at that time, it was lost after Second BVLL Run, if Lee had been just an hour fast, a single hour faster, he could have bagged over 50,000 men and left Washington DC completely unprotected save for a minor garrison in the low thousands. +If Second Manassas was more decisive, the war could have been very easily a Confederate victory. +They were at their height at the time, the West was slowed down, The South was greatly overestimated by Northerners at the time, The North was at its lowest morale. +If ever they Confederates could win, it was then. I doubt a victory at Shiloh or even Gettysburg would lead to Union capitulation, especially as the Union at Shiloh could afford to lose the West, and the Union at Gettysburg knew their strength was great compared to the South. +--- 14990755 +>>14990625 +I’m not a Grant hater but one of my Confederate ancestors said they were close enough the night before to hear music in the Federal camps, and the “surprise” attack had already been delayed a day by rain. How could he have not seen it coming? +--- 14990838 +>Halleck assumed general command in the West after Shiloh and he disagreed with the assessment that the Army of the Tennessee had been surprised and said everyone performed correctly and appropriately in the situation. Sherman was livid at those claims, while disregarding his own unwise remarks to an Ohio colonel that he should "take his damned regiment back to Ohio; there is no enemy nearer than Corinth." Instead he vented his wrath on the officers and men who'd panicked and ran the moment the firing began. "They should act surprised at the Confederates' complete want of respect for human life after having been told to regard them as inferior." + +>Grant to be fair may have been guilty of underestimating his enemy a bit. The relative ease with which he captured Ft. Donelson and Henry seems to have created the impression that the war had been started by a handful of fire-eater Southern politicians and that the average Confederate private was apathetic to the cause. The ferocity with which they fought at Shiloh disabused him of that notion.[5] During the subsequent occupation of Memphis that summer, he also got a taste of what was really going down. The city was filled with fanatic secessionists, many of whom had relatives serving in the Confederate army, and as Grant recalled, "Many of these people seemed convinced that a Northern general would sympathize with them and accept the justness of the Confederate cause if he would just sit down and listen to their arguments."[3] +--- 14990908 +>After Shiloh the war in the West moved very very slowly. Halleck was taking absolutely no chances and the next month and a half would see the Union host make an incredibly slow march down to Corinth, which fell without a fight on May 28. It had taken 52 days to march the 20 miles down from Pittsburg Landing. Between the combined armies of Grant, Buell, and John Pope, Halleck had an impressive 100,000 men, more than even McClellan ever commanded. Beauregard's mangled army could have been taken easily but the real aim was the capture of Corinth and its railroad depot. +--- 14991129 +>the mass replier ITT +--- 14991275 +McClellan was the best general of the war, because he was the funniest. +--- 14992468 +>>14990350 +Thanks for the high quality post. +--- 14992801 +then again, Grant was actively directing troops during the battle of Shiloh and exposing himself to fire a couple of times while McClellan was usually one to six miles from every battle his army ever fought +--- 14992906 +>On April 28, Halleck announced a reorganization of the army into "wings" or corps. The right wing was commanded by George Thomas and consisted of his division plus four of Grant's divisions--Grant himself received a meaningless title of department commander with Thomas having operational control of his army--still technically under Grant's command but not really. John McClernand commanded the reserve wing, his division plus three from Buell's army. John Pope retained his existing command and Buell had a sadly diminished force down to just three divisions. Both Grant and Buell felt duly insulted at what they saw as a demotion; the former had a somewhat cold relationship with Thomas from that point onward and he spoke of himself as being in a virtual state of arrest. + +>On June 26, Thomas was reverted back to command of his old division and Grant regained direct control of his army, sort of. No general who served under Halleck was alone for very long and Halleck had an enervating habit of ignoring subordinate generals and ordering their commands around directly. Grant had several arguments with him over this, protesting that Halleck had ordered his troops around in contradiction of his own plans and without informing him. Halleck replied back that he would issue orders to any part of Grant's command any time he felt it was appropriate. + +>On July 18, Halleck departed to Washington D.C. to become general-in-chief of the army and Grant was on his own finally. He was still Grant's superior but now had more pressing concerns than the placement of a brigade or division along a railroad line in southwestern Tennessee. +--- 14992982 +>>14992468 +>>14990350 +>the heart of the Confederacy +>produced less than 25% of its food and wealth +lol +>>14992801 +>actively directing troops +He was present for one (1) counter attack. +>McClellan was miles away +McClellan was near the front when he was on the offensive, he also had a much more sophisticated form of organization. + +So if Grant was so great, why did he suck compared to McClellan? Did less with more, failed to achieve his objectives within the time given, actively undermined his fellow officers, lost 60,000 men in the overland to preventable causes. +--- 14993058 +>>14992982 +>why did he suck compared to McClellan? +If I recall Lee surrendered to Grant, not McClellan + +> lost 60,000 men +Of course if McClellan had just charge at Richmond or Antetam,there would be no need for Grants operations in the east +--- 14993110 +>The march down to Corinth was undertaken with the delusion that Beauregard commanded an army that was at least three times its actual size, perhaps as many as 100,000 men. Although he eventually received reinforcements, there was no point after Shiloh where he mustered more than 51,000 men and for the first few weeks after the battle he had barely 30,000. He telegraphed Richmond to lament that there was very little he could do to prevent the total destruction or capture of his army. This message was actually intercepted by Union army intelligence and read, but resulted in no action being taken and ultimately nothing but a warning from Robert E. Lee to change his cipher. + +>The Union war effort in the West ground to a near-total halt in the summer with Grant and Buell's commands scattered about guarding and repairing railroads. By July, the Union offensive against Richmond had also been beaten back and there was a complete impasse with the momentum that had been going since Ft. Donelson having all but stopped. +--- 14993205 +>>14993058 +>Lee surrendered to Grant not McClellan +I recall Lee never lost a battle to Grant, but he did lose three to McClellan + +Also, they didnt surrender because of Grant, they surrendered because their country had been destroyed and their army was starving and low on ammunition, in particular it was Sheridan who cut off Lee, not Grant, Sheridan was acting on his own initiative FYI. +>if McClellan had just charged into a larger entrenched force +???? +--- 14993703 +>>14993110 +Buell was a faggot and his wife also owned slaves so his soldiers never really trusted him. Also he was one of "that" kind of general who would put provost marshals around an openly secessionist farmer's house to stop the troops from looting the place. McClellan did that same crap on the Peninsula. + +>nno that guy's sons are in the Rebel army shooting at us +>nnno you can't take all his stuff and use his house as troop quarters that's rude +--- 14993724 +>>14993703 +Sherman's policy in this situation was like "Don't want your house looted and all your pigs and chickens eaten? Take the oath of loyalty to the US government and we'll leave your stuff unmolested. You did this to yourself, Cletus." +--- 14993826 +>>14993205 +>???? +The "Cult of the Offensive" is one hell of a drug. +--- 14993959 +>>14993724 +Yeah, basically a bandit and a war criminal. +--- 14994041 +>>14990755 +That's very fascinating, anymore knowledge you have from your ancestor? +--- 14994052 +>>14993703 +>>14993724 +>tear up the Constitution to own the Rebs +1800s Zogbots +--- 14994210 +>>14993703 +>>>14992982 +Fuck off Hike. +--- 14994232 +American war history doesn't even feel real to me. It's like somebody just made it up +--- 14994365 +>>14994232 +Why? +--- 14994409 +>>14994365 +I'm not sure, I think a large part of it is the lack of specifics about the troops +>General Max Haywood commanding 40,000 troops +Ok, from where and how many? Was it 5 thousand from north eastern Michigan, 2 thousand from New England etc? I just can't engage with the campaigns if it all one big blob +--- 14994430 +>>14994409 +All of those things are very well documented. The US civil war might actually be the most documented war of all time, with all the primary documents and diaries that we have. It's just that it's not generally useful to go into such details in conversations. +--- 14994454 +>>14994409 +Anon, half the units have their home state in the name +--- 14994455 +>>14994430 +Maybe I'm just biased as a euro but yeah, just having 40,000 troops be a singular blob without separate identities of their own coming into play just seems impossible to me. Read Euro history certain peoples would demanding to be in the vanguard and threatening to go home if they aren't first in line, others would be demanding to serve in the cavalry if that's where they feel their people are naturally talented, some would demand to be sent to certain climates if they feel they could shine there, one group would be coming to blows with another etc etc. The lack of identity among the troops makes them feel like NPCs instead of real men from all around the country +--- 14994467 +>>14994455 +>The lack of identity among the troops makes them feel like NPCs instead of real men from all around the country +Yes, but again, that's just your perception, which is based on ignorance of the topic. These armies were definitely not the homogeneous blobs that you imagine. The regiments were assembled from states, and states back then were pretty much small countries with their own culture and identity. To that you can add that there were immigrants and even native americans into the mix. As an introductory example, you could go read about the history of the Irish Brigade. +--- 14994512 +>>14994467 +Fair enough, didn't Grant record his campaign in his own hand? If so, is it worth reading? +--- 14994523 +>>14994512 +I wouldn't trust anything Grant says. He was a liar who only cared about improving his own reputation. Next you will probably ask me for book recommendations, but I can straight up tell you that I don't really know the books. The only one I've read was "A Prussian Observes the American Civil War: The Military Studies of Justus Scheibert" +--- 14994528 +>>14994052 +They rejected the Constitution and seceded so they were not entitled to its protection, Cletus. +--- 14994532 +>>14994528 +So why invade them if they're not subject to the constitution? +--- 14994534 +>>14994512 +I'd say it is worth reading the from Generals of either side but like >>14994523 says, alot of it is self-promoting or shaking blame for losing men. The big names are Grant, Sherman, Mcclellan for the North and Lee, Jackson, Longstreet for the South; ofcourse read some of the others if you can. +--- 14994535 +>>14994512 +Whether you’re a fanboy or a hater, Grant’s autobiography is a must read for any ACW student. Of course he’s biased but he’s a good writer, surprising for someone who wasn’t noted as an intellectual, and his clear concise prose is some of the best writing by any president. +He wrote it after leaving office, bankrupt snd disgraced, and he was dying of throat cancer as he struggled to finish in order to provide for his family after death. His friend Mark Twain promoted the book and it became a best seller. +--- 14994539 +>>14994528 +You'd understand why that sentence is retarded if your family had actually been in the US at the time, Gomes. +--- 14994541 +>>14994535 +>Grant lived at the same time as Mark Twain +Didn't know this either +--- 14994544 +>>14994430 +it's more like all of the primary sources are in English and confined to one country while the world wars have a vast amount of documentation in several dozen different languages and countries so you can only read a portion of it. +--- 14994548 +>>14993703 +what's weirder is that the soldiers didn't seem to hold any ill feelings against McClellan for that while they were fully convinced Buell was in cahoots with the enemy, and same with McDowell for trying to protect civilian property in northern Virginia. +--- 14994553 +>>14994548 +McClellan was idolized by his men, because he cared about them and led them from victory to victory. I'm a fan of civil war songs, and one thing I noticed from them is that McClellan is the most sung-about general, and always positively. + +And now, before I end my song +This free advice, I'll tender +We soon will use the rebels up +And make them all surrender +And once again, the stars and stripes +Will to the breeze be swellin' +If Uncle Abe will give us back +Our darlin' boy McClellan + +We'll follow little Mac +He'll lead us on to glory, O! +He'll lead us on to glory, O! +To save the stripes and stars + +He'll lead us on to glory, O! +He'll lead us on to glory, O! +To save the stripes and stars + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-addpiPKzE [Embed] +--- 14994559 +>>14994553 +Well he was conservative with their lives, I'd rather serve under him then under Grant. +--- 14994561 +>>14994548 +Buell was an asshole that nobody liked. Aside from his wife owning slaves which made him suspicious he was also one of those generals who never figured out volunteer soldiers and subjected them to brutal regular army discipline. Thus why he never commanded troops again after October 1862. Grant offered him a command under Sherman during the Atlanta campaign but he refused to serve under a general he out-ranked and instead just resigned from the army and returned to civilian life. +--- 14994569 +>>14994541 +>Grant lived at the same time as Mark Twain +https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2023/04/18/why-mark-twain-had-an-incredibly-brief-stint-as-a-confederate-soldier/ +Twain and Grant were briefly on opposite sides in the same theater, then Twain lit out for the far west. +--- 14994579 +>A few days after Shiloh, Halleck sent word that he was arriving from Missouri to take command in person, and Grant and Buell would also be reinforced by John Pope's army, fresh off its capture of Island No. 10. Considering his well-established tendency to pass the buck onto subordinates, he was surprisingly soft on Grant after all the accusations of his being jumped at the battle, only recommending that he improve the discipline and drill of his commmand. This was true--the Army of the Tennessee was still an underbaked outfit with raw recruits who as yet acted like a random collection of regiments thrown together than an army. Soldiers needed better drill and to stop habits such as the promiscuous firing of muskets on any and all occasions--there are instances reported like an entire company firing their weapons into the air simultaneously to see if their powder worked and wasn't dampened after a rainfall. +--- 14994616 +>>14988693 +I'll never understand why someone would believe something as retarded as this, McClellan was a bitchmade pussy who was fundamentally indecisive about engaging the enemy and using his troops to their fullest effect, which alone is a fatal flaw in any good commander, much less general. Dumb faggot made it seem like rebels were undergoing fucking mitosis every second in Virginia and he couldn't even conceive of attacking without even more troops on top of his already 100,000+ strong force, no wonder Lincoln had enough of his bullshit after awhile. The fact that he would turn around a few years later and run against Lincoln on a platform of ending the war and achieving peace, even if it meant allowing Cletus to keep his banana-republic in the making and permanantly fuck up an entire half of the country is just the retard cherry on top of his downs syndrome sundae +--- 14994622 +>>14994616 +>no wonder Lincoln had enough of his bullshit after awhile +How well did that work for the Union? A year of crippling defeats one after another because Lincoln appointed generals who were fine with just throwing men in suicide charges at Confederate defences. +--- 14994630 +>>14994553 +Lee himself even said “he is an able general, but he is a very cautious one.” He took enormous risks against McClellan because he knew McClellan would never come at him. +--- 14994637 +>>14994630 +Yes, and Lee also said: + +>Robert E. Lee, on being asked (by his cousin, and recorded by his son) who was the ablest general on the Union side during the late war, replied emphatically: "McClellan, by all odds!"[104] +--- 14994657 +>>14988335 (OP) +So why didn't either of them attack the other's capital directly? +--- 14994699 +>>14994657 +Making the obvious move is a bad move usually diff --git a/his/14988779.txt b/his/14988779.txt index e8af092903277dacbcea35c3515f62e66630f4bf..a5143474b85b2e8d00f53dc4b96ffaa26e5dfd5e 100644 --- a/his/14988779.txt +++ b/his/14988779.txt @@ -370,3 +370,882 @@ All four of them across dozens of cities? Three of which were shot by other whit --- 14989315 >>14989162 Donbas separatists dont shoot up schools and supermarkets +--- 14989423 +>lust-provoking image +>time-wasting question +like clockwork +--- 14990111 +Lol racists shut up when confronted with evidence +--- 14990135 +>>14988836 +slave labour is cheap as fuck in the modern age + +the cost of feeding, heating, having guards around is too much for some shit a machine can do. +--- 14990175 +Nayib Bukele is based, there is no need to show mercy to the marginals, rapists and murderers +the french were retarded when they invented prisons criminals should be tortured +But don't look for opinions in /his/ these people are guys who think that the United States is the only country that exists besides being traumatized by the racial system of the United States +--- 14990249 +>>14990175 +>criminals should be tortured +See a psychiatrist +--- 14990401 +>>14989292 +>le socio economic conditions that also apply when said socio economic conditions don't apply anymore like cosmic background radiation +? +--- 14990423 +>>14990249 +>amerimutt +--- 14990428 +>>14990175 +based and correct +all of central america needs someone like him +--- 14990429 +>>14989182 +>delusional tranny that lives on the internet thinks mainstream conservatives want to associate their orgs with his hatred for blacks +touch grass. call your mother. seek employment +--- 14990435 +>>14990111 +what like picrel? +--- 14990442 +>>14990111 +you mean like this? +--- 14990567 +>>14990442 +>>14990435 +You mean like half the earlier posts? +--- 14990596 +>>14988812 +Naftali Frenkel solved the cost of prison by making all the prisoners work as lumberjacks or making bricks. They were fed according to their production so that sick and weak people starved. +--- 14990597 +>>14990175 +This. +Firsties just don't understand what it's like to live in an actually dangerous society. The toughest and meanest american gang would be torn to pieces in any central American country. +--- 14990606 +>>14990111 +>kill drug gangs +>hit rapists +>for the amerimutts that is racism +united states urgently needs a Nayib Bukele +--- 14990608 +>>14988779 (OP) +>If you lock all the thugs up and never let them out, you’ll have less crime +Wait until you learn about the death penalty. +--- 14990623 +>>14988779 (OP) +This post made me a murderer. +--- 14990628 +>>14990175 +marginals? +--- 14990644 +>>14990597 +Parts of the USA are roughly as dangerous as Central America if you just look at murders. It's just more geographically limited. In countries like El Salvador gang activity is more systemic. Italy used to have systemic issues with crime and corruption but with fewer dead noncombatants. Their approach was interesting. They incentivized a lot of communist terrorist group members and mafiosi to turn into informants, and held a record-breaking trial that lasted six years and sent over 300 people to prison, 19 of whom received life sentences. When two leading judges were assassinated afterwards, the prosecution of head mafiosi intensified. In spite of this Italy has a pretty low prison population and doesn't actually send detainees to prison until they've exhausted their appeals. +--- 14990687 +>>14990644 +>Italy +Big chance these terroni just fled to USA. Italy isn't sending their best +--- 14990947 +>>14989067 +>>14989078 +How is it that bumfuck rust towns in West Virginia can still have lower homicide rates than black-majority towns that are wealthier? +--- 14990961 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_camp +problem solved +--- 14990963 +>>14988779 (OP) +It does “work”, but Jews want their pet criminals out and about terrorizing goyim (as revenge for the Holocaust or something) +--- 14990965 +>>14988826 +>including 35000 women +--- 14990994 +>>14990947 +Can we get some profiles of these criminals in these rich black places? Like some interviews +--- 14991189 +>>14988851 +You'll end up with Australians, which is worse +--- 14991198 +>>14988779 (OP) +liberalism +--- 14991201 +>>14988915 +It is pretty amazing how Jewish record labels can direct black criminality as they wish. If they wanted them to do more insurance fraud it would be as simple as making songs about it and maybe a dance. +--- 14991210 +>>14990994 +it’s not that hard to understand, every nigga comes with an endless amount of moochers who he supports. The richer the nigga, the more parasites. A dude like Michael Jackson or Mike Tyson will have like 700 parasites attached to him. Some lower middle class sow negress with a monthly settlement check will have 2-6 “boyfriends” who steal from her purse. Etc +--- 14991212 +>>14988992 +How does white flight/segregation relate to this +--- 14991256 +>>14991210 +What you are saying is that these rich black places are not as rich as stated if its just a few rich people with 700 parasites each. +--- 14991262 +>>14988779 (OP) +when has it worked, at best you just get criminals who get to monopolize and work with the government. Mass incarceration goes hand in hand with corruption and a fuck the citizens mentality government +--- 14991283 +>>14991210 +This is true. Millionaire athletes have been sucked dry by their families and social circles, like Vince Young for instance. And if you watch the NFL draft you hear a lot of stories about the black's "moms". They are momma's boys raised by single mothers, and the second they get the paycheck they spoil her +--- 14991798 +>>14988812 +The death penalty without right to appeal in the face of overwhelming evidence of capital offenses is the only way to move forward. Firing squads and mandated crematoria for perpetrators’ remains are the most practical way forward economically. The savings on keeping the demons alive could allow us to expand the incarceration of lesser offenders and purge society. +--- 14991805 +>>14988779 (OP) +They should just gas all of them +--- 14991813 +>>14988779 (OP) +Because mostly blacks then mexicans and arabs if you live in Europe get incarcerated making it racist and thus wrong. There is nothing wrong with tossing criminals in a pit. +--- 14991821 +>>14989292 +>historical and material conditins that lead to a persistent criminal element +This translates into FEEL GUILTY WHITEBOI, do explain how the fuck this is gonna reduce the crime rates you progressive lunatic. +--- 14991829 +>>14989292 +>a small minority of a minority btfo'd my ancestors so the entire race should have to answer to it +--- 14991871 +>to prevent crime we should commit mass crime against the entire population because some of them are criminals +--- 14991877 +It doesn't work. I would beat you in any game where we can simulate the relevant effects including the human psychological effects. The US and China don't work, Denmark works, as long as it's Danish. +--- 14991879 +>>14991871 +>Ruthlessly quickly imprisoning black criminals will negatively affect black people + +You white leftist are legit fucking insane holy shit +--- 14991884 +>>14990401 +I don't get what you're trying to say here anon. + +>>14991821 +>This translates into FEEL GUILTY WHITEBOI, do explain how the fuck this is gonna reduce the crime rates you progressive lunatic. + +Not what I'm trying to invoke. I don't hold the entirety of African Americans responsible for the actions of individuals because at the end of the day, they utilized their autonomy to commit crimes. I don't hold white people living today responsible for the sins of the father but it's rather disingenuous to pretend that our institutions didn't actively create the conditions we see that promote being a criminal. I don't think there'll be some clean, cookie cutter answer to reducing crime rates and that's not even what my post was about. It was about the fact that you clowns can quote statistics like your life depends on it but then fail to realize that the total number of murder victims is something like 6k. +>>14991829 +>Perhaps we shouldn't be treating people as a monolithic group. These types of threads are cancerous to /his/ +>YOURE JUST COPING HERE HAVE MY CANNED /POL/-TIER RESPONSE +--- 14991890 +>>14991879 +You want to kill all brown people +--- 14991894 +People act like almost every 3rd world shithole never tried the "just kill them all approach" and failed +--- 14991902 +>>14991884 +Listen lunatic the only thing I care about is reducing crime and having zero tolerance policy for black criminal offenders would reduce crime greatly in the US +--- 14991910 +>>14991879 +That's basically what we already did and it lead to us also having a prison population that exceeds place like China despite having a far lower population size +--- 14991912 +>>14991902 +How do you know? Why did your plan never work before? +--- 14991917 +>>14988779 (OP) +Just kill them. Seriously, what is the problem? If you are found guilty of too many or too serious a crime you should just be fucking shot dead outside the courthouse. Nobody would be upset with this policy aside from criminals and their fucked up families that probably deserve to die too. +--- 14991921 +>>14991798 +Likely not feasible to execute that many people if you need overwhelming evidence in court, especially if the courts are also busy prosecuting lower tier offenders. It's not easy to get all the required evidence for one case, let alone every crime in a category like aggravated murder. You can nail some of them with DNA evidence but that's not quick. +--- 14991922 +>>14991902 +I dont believe you +--- 14991926 +>>14991912 +Black criminals on the loose are the reason we have so much crime in America, blacks do something psychopathic its called a misdemeanor because "the prisons are full of people of color"so the blacks are left to commit more psychopathic bullshit until they go too far and have to get charged. Black criminal teenagers have advantage of of this legal loophole white leftist lunatics like you have caused. +--- 14991934 +>>14991910 +So what? As long as the crime is reduced thats all that matters who cares how the psychos feel in their pens +--- 14991935 +>Violent crime drops massively exactly when "tough on crime," long sentences and mass incarceration starts to be a thing. +>"M-must have been the lead in the gas! Nothing else can explain this..." +--- 14991939 +>>14991894 +But anon, just remove the legal restrictions protecting citizens one more time. They didn't have enough power last time! +--- 14991946 +If you have any black people as friends on social media you will have seen young blacks brandishing their firearms like unhinged psychos and nothing happens to them, these firearms are most of the time illegal and yet nothing happens to them. These same blacks can then admit they plan to kill other blacks using these weapons and nothing still happens to them. It is completely ridiculous how black criminals can just admit to their evil and the police will do nothing to them. +--- 14991952 +>>14991935 +Criminal sentencing started getting harsher in the US well beforehand, back in the 70s and 80s. It was a piecemeal process that occurred state by state. +--- 14991953 +One way to go about this is to actually track down the entire population. You need a social worker for every 1000 inhabitants or so, and when some youth starts being anti-social he goes on a list for close scrutiny. If some youth is 20 years old, has no job, not enrolled in some studies he needs to get arrested fast when he gets he does his first theft/drug offense +--- 14991958 +>>14991917 +Based on the fact that you're already justifying murder you're in the group most likely to justify murder and commit it. +Based on your own logic we could extend it to include people like you, killing people that justify murders would probably stop many murders and that's a win if we look at society like a math problem. +>>14991926 +Don't live in a society with people that don't share your values. You either get global power or a working society and you chose global power. +--- 14991959 +The reason I said that is, its proof that we are not arresting anything close to the bulk of evil criminal minded blacks in black areas if social media is full of blacks doing this twisted behavior constantly. Dont get me started on black youth in schools recording doing psychopathic shit to other blacks in the school, why the fuck are these blacks not behind bars exactly? Because they are black if they were white they would have been character assassinated a long time ago. +--- 14991963 +>>14991958 +You make me sick like every white leftist you have ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING IDEA HOW BAD BLACK ON BLACK CRIME IS, thats why you handwave it like its a dog pissing on the side walk, my policies would save far more black lives and future black lives than your moral supremacist insanity you fucking piece of shit +--- 14991973 +>>14991912 +That is exactly how Giuliani reduced crime in NY +--- 14991974 +>>14991953 +If you're not careful you just create a lot of newly traumatized, alienated young men with criminal connections. Hence why juvenile sentencing is usually less harsh and juvie facilities less purely punitive. +--- 14991979 +Food deserts are proof the police havent taken in the bulk of the black criminal population in a black area either as you need alot of thieves to create a food desert. The Chicago riots a couple of weeks ago those were the fucking thieves who were ruining the business those scumbags were allowed to then attack motorist, burn down cars, and rob who knows how many because they were black. Complete 100 evidence of unredeemable genuinely evil black sociopaths and nothing happened to them none of them were fucking arrested. You see what Im talking about when I say most of the black criminal problem IS NOT BEHIND BARS? +--- 14991981 +>>14989143 +>That said, I’m not a leftist. I’m a neoconservative. +Oh so then everyone hates you and not just half the country. +>why yes I do subscribe to the most thoroughly discredited political philosophy in modern times, why do you ask? +--- 14991983 +>>14991926 +A felony charge remains a felony charge if the defendant is black. +--- 14991994 +Obviously gangbangers wont be behind bars because they are organized but random psychos who kill, rob, and rape other blacks are on the loose in black communities. So on the loose that black communities are basically turning into areas that are almost 100% these sort of black people which was not the case in the Jim Crow times. Your leftist policies have done nothing but ruined and destroyed blacks. +--- 14991995 +>>14989246 +>ou realize crime is one of the top 3 issues black americans vote on +Let me guess they blame "the system" for not keeping them safe? +--- 14991999 +>>14988779 (OP) +One place in South America did this but with all the men butt naked +--- 14992005 +>>14991963 +>my policies would +At best patch inhuman globalism leading to death and decay by limiting human potential even more. You have no clue how anything works. +What does black on black crime in your dystopia have to do with working societies? Why are you trying to build a society with people you despise? +--- 14992011 +>>14992005 +See look it handwaves black on black crime again +--- 14992013 +>>14991995 +It's not totally false. Many victims of crime are part of the underclass, in part because perps feel confident that nobody cares to investigate when the victim is already downtrodden. +--- 14992015 +>>14992005 +He never mentioned humans. +--- 14992029 +>>14992013 +>Im poor so I have every reason to torment another member of my race +Oh fuck off with this shit Im starting to think you white progressive might simply be evil beings at this point +--- 14992034 +>>14992029 +I didn't mention anything about how rich or poor the perps are. +--- 14992045 +>>14992013 +Neither leftism nor defending blacks have any place on this website. +--- 14992050 +>>14992034 +Its what you implied you fucking scum +--- 14992055 +>>14992045 +>>14992050 +Holy seethe +--- 14992057 +>>14992011 +The entity that prosecutes crime is the same one that forces you to live with blacks. Why would you appeal to it? Why would giving it more power to incarcerate or kill help anyone? How can you reach the conclusion that the problem is that this globalist demon doesn't have enough power over human lives? +--- 14992061 +>>14991890 +Maybe. Maybe not. +--- 14992072 +>>14992057 +Nothing wrong with cranking up arrest on black criminals period, africans would see nothing wrong with this. +--- 14992084 +>>14991958 +>Based on the fact that you're already justifying murder you're in the group most likely to justify murder and commit it. +Damn this logic is fucking laughable dude, I hope you aren't serious. The death penalty isn't murder in the first place, and even if it were, I certainly am not a murderer for merely suggesting that the justice system execute people. Even the judge who orders it isn't a murderer, nor is the prosecution. The only one arguably murdering someone during an execution is the executioner, which is a voluntary position that few would agree to do. The rest of the system merely suggests that someone ought to be killed, and will allow someone willing enough (the executioner) to do that job in return for a salary and legal immunity for these sanctioned killings. Both philosophically and ethically this system is perfectly sound. +--- 14992095 +>>14992084 +>philosophically +Sorry I meant politically. +--- 14992128 +>>14992072 +>cranking up arrest on black criminals +Enforcing the law is usually reasonable but none of the laws in America are reasonable. Everything is broken on all levels. By focusing on black crime you're avoiding the fundamental issue behind it which is multiculturalism doesn't work. +>>14992084 +>I certainly am not a murderer for merely suggesting that the justice system execute people. +Most people who murder see themselves as justified in the moment. You're demonstrating the capability of justifying such retribution to yourself. You're statistically more likely than average to convince yourself that your case is special and you should resolve it by killing people. +The kind of people in the kind of emotional states where they commit the worst acts aren't discouraged by death at all. Often life in prison, being shot by a cop or being fried in a chair all seem like easy escapes in the moment. +The death penalty is based on autism logic resting on the idea that people rationally calculate the outcomes of their actions like robots. The idea doesn't relate to reality. +--- 14992199 +>>14992128 +>You're statistically more likely than average to convince yourself that your case is special and you should resolve it by killing people. +Post a source or stfu + +>The death penalty is based on autism logic resting on the idea that people rationally calculate the outcomes of their actions like robots. The idea doesn't relate to reality. +No it is based on the logic that the rest of society need not bear the burden of career criminals who do nothing for them but make their lives objectively worse in every possible way. +--- 14992206 +>>14992199 +Also young black men are most statically likely to commit murder and they certainly aren't in favour of the death penalty considering their voting tendencies. +--- 14992215 +>>14992050 +Its not implied at all, you just cant read +--- 14992228 +>>14992199 +>Post a source or stfu +It's basic logic. You don't understand how someone who justifies killing people is more likely to justify killing people? +>>14992199 +>it is based on the logic that the rest of society need not bear the burden of career criminals +Then the goal should be producing fewer criminals, which is a goal the death penalty and the US prison system in general work against. You just make more and more. Even your blacks were relatively civilized for a while. +In the US jail completely releases the criminal from all the stresses of life he could never deal with, the death penalty is an even greater release. +In Denmark the criminals turn pale thinking of spending a single additional day pretending to care what some catlady social worker says. +--- 14992339 +>>14991798 +this. if a criminal is guilty of capital crime without any possibility of doubt, it should be capital punishment. + +also diagnosed psychopaths should be locked up and never released. +--- 14992347 +>>14990596 +>inb4 jacked lumberjack felon revolt +--- 14992350 +>>14991958 +niggers like you deserve to be raped & murdered by these people you simp so much for. +--- 14992439 +>>14992350 +You're the one pretending you can build a society with them. +--- 14992466 +Incarceration of innocent people is itself a crime, and no justice system is perfect at avoiding this. It's called "false imprisonment" when normal people without state power do it. +Do those supposed crime reductions still exist once you consider state crimes, or do they go away? +--- 14992588 +>>14992228 +>It's basic logic. +You are making an argument about statistics and you have no statistics to prove your claim, so I'm not going to entertain this point anymore. + +As for your second point I agree the US prison system is flawed and its present existence actual creates more criminals, it does need reform. That point is mostly unrelated to my final point I will make here though. Personally I don't care whether a criminal is enjoying themselves in prison or not, if they are out of my life and unable to negatively affect me or my family or community am satisfied. If the death penalty is a release for them, I don't care, their removal from society is my release from the burden of their existence, all the better if it is permanent. What a prisoner feels about the death penalty is not relevant and shouldn't be relevant, what is relevant is how society feels about it, and I think most people rationally prefer the death penalty for chronic offenders and those who commit especially heinous crimes. + +The end. +--- 14992632 +>>14992588 +>their removal from society is my release from the burden of their existence +Your removal is my release from the burden of not having your money. I also suspect you may try to kill me in the future based on how passionately you argue for killing when you believe it serves you. +--- 14992680 +>>14992588 +NTA, but prisoners and especially ex-cons are part of society. Pretty much every state with rule of law acknowledges this. The question we ask when considering how to handle them is how their needs do or don't conflict with those of the non-incarcerated population. Hence why prisons aren't death traps or torture chambers, at least to the degree that the responsible authority imposes fair treatment and the rule of law. +--- 14992699 +>>14989237 +>But the most important issue is that they look weird and that's why they should live on a different continent +holy based +--- 14992702 +>>14992588 +>What a prisoner feels about the death penalty is not relevant +How policies affect people in heated moments that may or may not lead to them becoming murderers is relevant to how many murderers there are and how much danger you're in of being murdered. +--- 14992997 +>>14988779 (OP) +>Where did this idea come from that “mass incarceration doesn’t work”? +> +>If you lock all the thugs up and never let them out, you’ll have less crime +US crime statistics directly corroborate this, crime falls after high levels of policing and incarceration. + +>>14988812 +>It's prohibitively expensive +Money isn't real. More than half of the US economy is F.I.R.E. bullshit. + +God I love how blatantly stupid communists like you are, it's so overt. + +>HUIRR DURR PRISON COSTS LOTTA MONEY +>crime is free though +Do you also think it'd be cheaper overall to have no police? Lewl, fucking retard. +--- 14993019 +>>14991894 +>third world shitholes +Let's just say that crime is more than...skin deep anon ;) + +and people also act like countries such as Singapore don't exist which are actually tough on crime and ostensibly very effective, reminds me of the drug debate, people in the US love to say it's impossible to stop drug use and that laws are draconian, but they are baby tier compared to Singapore which incidentally doesn't have a drug problem like the US +--- 14993031 +>>14988989 +>>14988897 +black on White is preventable if they were removed, black on black will happen as long as blacks exist, White on White will happen as long as Whites exist. +Murders on eachother would end entirely if we had common sense segregation or repatriation. +--- 14993067 +>>14993019 +Asiatic nations have low crime because asian people have a shame based society that looks down on criminality where as we americans think blacks killing each other is something that should be applauded because its racist to think otherwise +--- 14993068 +>>14992997 +Crime is expensive too. It dissuades investment and breaks up communities. +--- 14993092 +>>14993019 +Singapore is an incredibly affluent island nation where police and surveillance are widespread, guns are strictly controlled, and laws on things like hate speech and settlement patterns prevent a lot of interpersonal tensions. It's not something you can expect to be replicated in a larger, freer country. +--- 14993093 +>>14993031 +Yay our murderers are now the same race as their victims + +Who cares +--- 14993113 +>>14993093 +You must understand white on white murder is infrequent compared to black on black thats why no one cares about it like black on black murder, I can literally post the black on black murders that happened for this week right now but as a white on white murder that hasnt happened yet despite there being more crackers than negroes in America greatly now dont you just find that weird? While Joe kills a guy once a month, Jamal and Tyquan shoot up someone once per day instead, now tell me you fucking cuck piece of shit who is the greater threat to human life Joe or Jamal and Tyquan? +--- 14993115 +>>14993092 +>what no you can't just ignore the conditions involved, you think people can limitlessly adapt like that? +>btw we NEED billions of third world migrants, they'll assimilate easily +lol +you always see this exact same retard rhetoric from left wing apologists + +if Singapore can do it, anyone can do it +it's proof of concept +--- 14993124 +>>14993093 +black murderers are comically inept at killing you. If I have to die, I at least want to murdered by someone with a decent IQ so they properly empty my bank account first and then blow my brains out with a well armed shot. Your typical nig crime spree means they try to execute the person using some 6th grader logic like spraying their face with RAID and then jumping on their chest a lot, before robbing their pocket of $3.50 and a stick of juicy fruit. Blacks literally cannot do anything right. +--- 14993127 +>>14993115 +>muh conditions +Acknowledging muh racism wont drop black on black crime rates so its fucking retarded to keep insisting we do this, your intention is not to solve crime you are just an ideological lunatic who wants us whites to feel guilty +--- 14993135 +>>14993113 +That doesn't mean they're not going to murder people, just their victims will be of a different race. And I hate to break it you you, but I literally don't care whose race the victim is. +--- 14993137 +>>14993124 +>black murderers are comically inept at killing you +Driveby shooters dont really give a shit if they hit their target but actual homicidal blacks who are out to kill a target will fuck them up in very horrifying ways like that poor little white boy in 2020 who had a black psycho walk up to him and blast his brains out unprovoked. Weird how I literally cant find a white on black equivalent of this for this century. +--- 14993143 +>>14993124 +I don't care how you prefer to die. +--- 14993144 +>>14993124 +>>14993093 +here is a real example of negro criminality at work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Fi_murders + + +They first tried to murder their victims "silent like n shit" by having them drink drano because that was something they saw in a movie. That didn't work. Then they tried killing them by shoving a pen down their ear. That didn't work. They obviously raped and murdered all the women (they suceeded at that, so credit to them). The entire adventure netted them like $70. Completely inept. +--- 14993145 +>>14993092 +>we're more free because we have huge amounts of violent crime and death +Weird flex, but ok. +--- 14993155 +>>14993145 +>free +>say anything bad about blacks even if you are black yourself +>get socially crucified +--- 14993166 +>>14993144 +Yeah and in the 80s bunch of white hicks shot and raped bunch of teenagers smoking weed because because they thought the police were allowed to do that +--- 14993168 +>>14993166 +>shot +ah, imagine having the foresight to bring a gun to a murder, such a wonderful thing to be attacked by someone with adult human inteligence! +--- 14993176 +>>14988779 (OP) +Extremely Extremely expensive +/thread +--- 14993184 +>>14993166 +>in the 80s +You just proved how infrequent white violent behavior is, you lefties are so stupid if you dont realize the fact you retards have to jump 60 years into the past and bring up lynhcings shows that whites are basically non violent people in general. Where as me I can show you this you fucking piece of shit +BLACK MAN CHASES LITTLE WHITE GIRL INTO HER HOME AND SHOOTS HER AND HER FUCKING FAMILY IN BROAD DAYLIGHT +THIS HAPPENED IN THIS FUCKING MONTHN YOU ANTI WHITE PIECE OF SHIT +https://abcnews.go.com/US/6-year-parents-neighbor-shot-after-basketball-rolls/story?id=98717589 +--- 14993186 +>>14993168 +And that one case proves everything about tens of thousands of people and that stupid white murderers don't exist, I am in agreement +--- 14993194 +>>14993092 +>Singapore is an incredibly affluent island nation where police and surveillance are widespread +Tiny city state + +>guns are strictly controlled, and laws on things like hate speech and settlement patterns prevent a lot of interpersonal tensions. +Interpersonal tensions still occur lmao. + + +> It's not something you can expect to be replicated in a larger, freer country. +Not even Songapireans like it abd the whole "gem in a sea of poverty" aspect it had vanished as SEA got better. +--- 14993198 +>>14993184 +He was the one who posted something from the 70s. White people do not kill children, it is known +--- 14993207 +>>14993186 +>White murderers +Havent turned settlements into god forsake hellholes due to their murder rates so they are not an argument you anti white lunatic. This is very obvious in Europe a far whiter place than America where their murderous white minority have yet to make cities as unlivable as their psychotic arab and african recent imports on the otherhand. The fucking police in Sweden are so used to a very low frequency of murder that the arab and african crime has them completely stumped thats what the criminal white minority creates in their own land. Stfu you progressive piece of shit. +>Muh Russia +NAME ONE AREA IN AMERICA IS A HELLHOLE DUE TO HUMANS OR RUSSIAN DESCENT CRIMINAL VIOLENCE NAME ONE YOU FUCKER NAME ONE NOW +--- 14993220 +>>14993207 +You are correct, there has never been slums made up of white people. +--- 14993238 +>>14993220 +>slums +Are a thing globally in all races, you are so mentally ill you dont even realize the average white human in America is poor as shit while your so called oppressed African kings and queens live like nobles compared to them. No one fucking helps poor whites in America at all they get the bare brunt of this affirmative action lunacy the most the poor whites who want to get into the middle class oh whoops sorry you aint diverse and you clearly have privilege despite coming from a mining town that is economically in the shitter lets give this application to a black male who completely failed all of their classes and most likely be arrested and kicked out of the university for random criminal shenanigans he engages in because DIVERSITY IS STRAIGHT FUCK WHITE SUPREMACY +--- 14993262 +>>14993184 +>infrequent white violent behavior +Lmao you actually believe this? Americans are inherently violent. +--- 14993266 +black men commit alot of crime and therefore are incarcerated at a higher rate. "mass incarceration" wouldn't be a thing if black men didn't exist. +--- 14993269 +>>14993198 +>White people do not kill children +You sure? +--- 14993276 +mass incaceration "doesnt work" because blacks cant stop committing crime, its that simple. you can lock up a billion blacks, the ones on the outside will still commit crime. +--- 14993278 +>>14993266 +>"mass incarceration" wouldn't be a thing if black men didn't exist. +It still would exist. America has a tendency for it since day one. Many prisons still exist in areas with a white population. Mass incarceration isn't just merely having prisons allover the place but rather the cultural and political beliefs of the area. +--- 14993281 +>>14993262 +If such a thing were true the whitest cities in the US would be the no go zones for everyone including tourist not the black ones. Whites would also have a violent savage reputation back in the Old World too since obviously euros would be violent psychos if americans are too since americans literally euros seperated by 500 years of genetic distance. None of this exists so your argument about muh white people actually violent is complete nonsense. +--- 14993285 +>>14990628 +people who cant just live a crimeless life, mental people +--- 14993286 +>>14993281 +>None of this exists so your argument about muh white people actually violent is complete nonsense. +Have you seen the news? He'll compared to their peers in Europe they still have pretty bad metrics +--- 14993287 +>>14993276 +If there are still so many criminals out there that frequent black crime occurs then it means blacks are no mass incarcerated they are under incarcerated big time. I have no clue why blacks care so much when their criminal scum gets arrested for doing very evil things to other black people. Ive notice many blacks have this really stupid idea blacks fill up prisons because white people call the police on them even though alot of blacks that say this have called the cops on black criminals that attacked them before. +--- 14993292 +>>14993278 +it literally would not exist. look at Europe, small prison population with very low crime rates. Asia is the same way, with even less prisoners. + +Thanks to increased immigration to europe from africa, the incarcerations rates have increased like 10x since the 1990s. +--- 14993293 +>>14993286 +Brown folk move to white countries easily thats the ultimate proof whites are not violent people, if they were the brown immigrants would meet white teenagers with sticks that beat them to death for no explained reason +--- 14993295 +>>14993287 +>I have no clue why blacks care so much when their criminal scum gets arrested for doing very evil things to other black people. +Because prisons lack space and funding even in areas that back mass Incarceration on top of no real rehabilitation policies to mitigate recidivism. +--- 14993299 +>>14993295 +Anon please there is no way those ghetto sociopaths are even thinking this remotely this is what YOU think the white liberal. The average black who whines about the police killing blacks is also a psycho with a nice black on black crime record. +--- 14993305 +>>14993299 +What are you sperging on about? In states that use mass incarceration they cannot afford to provide adequate conditions and cell space which has one if the reasons why it's collapsing. +--- 14993309 +>>14993305 +And prison staff face either jackshit pay (so mass turnover) or the prisons have to offer exorbitant salaries to key staff to keep them such as how overpaid prison doctors are in the US. +--- 14993313 +>>14993305 +>adequate conditions +Criminal monkeys dont deserve shit but a nice box that cages them in, this idea we need to treat criminals fine is exactly why our cities are now full of crime you liberal criminal loving lunatics +--- 14993342 +>>14993313 +Nah you are insane nigga. If you want mass incarceration you need to fund that shit and not half ass it if you don't want it to fail. Unless you are some deranged LatAm who has a imprisonment kink. +--- 14993388 +>>14992057 +>The entity that prosecutes crime is the same one that forces you to live with blacks. +No it isn't. Segregation was legal in some states and struck down by the Supreme Court. Now we largely live among those in our social class, but that doesn't stop communist jews from shitting up nice places with Section 8 commieblocks. So historically speaking not all politicians are good for nothing leftists who let feral blacks walk all over Americans like the pieces of shit in Jew York or California that order you to run away if they attack you. Politicians are more complex than that. And not every cop was an impotent blm tranny, even if they are pussy whipped by the state. In fact, the state used to treat blacks appropriately. Now they are free to riot and loot. To answer your question, the people being discussed are not human, so I as a human have no problem with police punishing them for committing crime or larping as criminals, which the vast majority of them do. And this has actually worked when blue areas weren't entirely ruled by pussies or corrupt blacks +--- 14993399 +>>14993342 +Fail how? Just throw the scum into their cage thats all you need to do. +--- 14993410 +>>14993278 +>It still would exist. +Coooope. Whites are underrepresented in crime even if the jewish FBI pads our numbers with hispanics and Arabs. Most communities would leave their doors unlocked at night. Australia was where white criminals were sent to die and yet they live better than blacks +--- 14993414 +>>14993388 +>stop communist jews from shitting up nice places with Section 8 commieblocks. +Anon that is homeowners doing that. + +>So historically speaking not all politicians are good for nothing leftists who let feral blacks walk all over Americans like the pieces of shit in Jew York or California that order you to run away if they attack you. +Both states are actually pretty segregated. + +>which the vast majority of them do. And this has actually worked when blue areas weren't entirely ruled by pussies or corrupt blacks +Lmao those states equally as bad if not worse. Do you just grab your info from crazy blogs and subreddits? Tgis vkards needs flags +--- 14993418 +>>14993115 +I said nothing about immigration. +>>14993194 +It's still by far the wealthiest and least corrupt place in the region. +--- 14993423 +>>14993399 +You need money for that. + +>>14993410 +Lol you are going on a tangent at this point. Do you not know how other groups even see Americans let alone white ones? +--- 14993427 +>>14993414 +>segregated +Due to evil black behavior, literally no race likes blacks in America, some races like spics can physically fuck them up and get away with it because they are le oppressed minority too, others like the various asians have to take it up the ass however. It isnt that white people are le racist who hate living around blacks, it has and always has been that +BLACKS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO COEXIST PEACEFULLY WITH NON BLACK PEOPLE. You can even see this in London where pakis are the majority yet blacks still piss them off with their bullshit +--- 14993428 +>>14993292 +In Europe the stereotypically criminal minority is either Roma people or Arabs. +--- 14993431 +>>14993418 +>least corrupt place +It has plenty of corruption. It just hides them in different ways. Singapore just doesn't have that same pull because there's way more options for a worker to move to. Currently Singapore has to fill up kabour vacancies in the high and low end jobs so more and more of its labour force are just temporary expats +--- 14993436 +>>14988779 (OP) +These threads always attract ideas too dumb to be called edgy +>I'd solve prison by just KILLING EM ALL +--- 14993437 +>>14993423 +I only care about the truth tranny, not what retards like you falsely believe. Our cities, like Detroit, Baltimore, or Chicago ould also return to being centers of learning and not oversized ghettos if not for blacks, in addition to being more safe +--- 14993442 +>>14993427 +It didn't matter if you were an angel - segregation laws still kept you down. The governor of AR basically shut down Little Rock public schools for a year rather than admit ten black kids who had excellent grades and no behavior problems lol. +--- 14993446 +>>14993436 +Killing prisoners would save money for the prisons so thats a good idea shold be done to people given life sentences +--- 14993452 +>>14993427 +>others like the various asians have to take it up the ass however +Asians aren't a monolith. Flips and Chibese multimillionaire are not the same. + +>BLACKS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO COEXIST PEACEFULLY WITH NON BLACK PEOPLE. You can even see this in London where pakis are the majority yet blacks still piss them off with their bullshit. +Lol no. You seem to forget that whites tend to leave neighborhoods with Asians. Giw dies that fit your narrative exactly? +--- 14993456 +>>14993442 +Im talking about NOW you lunatic not le Jim Crow times +--- 14993459 +>>14993437 +Baltimore would still be blighted if overnight it became white. It's got few decent jobs and its position is perfect for smuggling guns and drugs. +--- 14993463 +>>14993452 +>whites tend to leave neighborhoods with Asians +Yh the same race that views Japan as utopia vacant if an area is too chinese get the fuck out of here +--- 14993468 +>>14993313 +>Send normal person to prison for 6 months for some relatively minor, non-violent offence +>They get immediately rasicalised and brutalised by a needlessly harsh prison environment and turn into a violent criminal +--- 14993471 +>>14993452 +>Asians aren't a monolith +They come from cultures that look down on casual violence so they cannot attack random black psychos that INTENTIONALLY target their race in America +--- 14993472 +>>14993176 +just defund the police to save money +--- 14993473 +>>14993437 +>Our cities, like Detroit, Baltimore, or Chicago ould also return to being centers of learning +They lost their relevancy ages ago. Also Detroit and Chicago's poor areas are very self-contained if you actually have been there. +--- 14993484 +>>14993468 +>He thinks any of us sees prison as rehab +You have to be completely insane believing locking up a guy with psychos is gonna make him a well functioning productive citizen when hes out, prison is TORTURE get that in your head fucking liberal scum. Very evil felons like most black gangbangers shouldnt even be able to sleep peacefully in prisons they should be getting physically tortured every single day. +--- 14993485 +>>14993471 +>They come from cultures that look down on casual violence +Lmao you haven't seen them at all. You know how fucked some if them can get? + +>so they cannot attack random black psychos that INTENTIONALLY target their race in America +Still eating that covid media drip? +--- 14993492 +>>14993473 +>Just stay in le white areas +You are only proving us right and Detroit is 80% black the entire city is a giant no go zone for white people in general, as its so black that the black supremacist psychopathy of detroit blacks is a whole new tier of batshit crazy compared to blacks in say Chiraq for example its pretty much a second South Africa. +--- 14993496 +>>14993484 +>prison is TORTURE get that in your head fucking liberal scum. +It's not supposed to be torture. Even in the very first implementation ages back never tried to use it as a form of torture. + + +>>14993484 +>Very evil felons like most black gangbangers shouldnt even be able to sleep peacefully in prisons they should be getting physically tortured every single day. +I bet you typed this up with one hand lol. Keep your torture fetish on the down low at least. +--- 14993499 +>>14993459 +Without blacks you could actually walk about Baltimore without worrying about some black psycho shooting you, robbing you or raping you if you are female. The simple fact the outside becomes ridiculously safer means businesses can come back to Baltimore and make a profit creating jobs. +--- 14993502 +>>14993492 +>Just stay in le white areas. +It's not actually the "white" area and as a heads up there are plenty of whites who live outside the downtown core +--- 14993504 +>>14993473 +>They lost their relevancy ages ago +Yes. When NIGGERS flooded them and crime/racial terrorism ensued +--- 14993506 +>>14993496 +Like all leftist loons you do no understand blacks in the slighest especially their truely monstrous demonic scum the gangbangers, the majority of gangbangers have very disturbing academic disciplinary records going all the way back when they were literal fucking children in other words +THESE ARE LEGIT PURELY EVIL BLACK PEOPLE WHO ASPIRED SINCE THEY WERE KIDS TO TORMENT, RUIN, AND DESTROY BLACK COMMUNITIES FOR SHITS AND GIGGLES YET YOU STILL FEEL EMPATHY FOR THEM +--- 14993510 +>>14993499 +>The simple fact the outside becomes ridiculously safer means businesses can come back to Baltimore and make a profit creating jobs. +No anon. Why would companies pick Baltimore when they left for better places prior to the crime jump? As that anon said its also in a key location for smuggling abd drugs so why do you think those would go away exactly? +--- 14993514 +>>14993506 +Prison is not designed to be torture. The minute you do that it has failed. +--- 14993518 +>>14993510 +They left because blacks make it impossible to make a profit thats why but they will lie and say that wasnt the case. +--- 14993537 +>>14993518 +So you pulled that out your ass? +--- 14993541 +>>14993510 +>so why do you think those would go away exactly? +Because we know the criminals there are black +--- 14993543 +>>14993506 +So you only want to torture the black prisoners? +--- 14993558 +>>14993541 +You think companies masturbate to crime stats all day? Why pick Baltimore when it offers no real niche or utility and manufacturing left ages ago? +--- 14993561 +>>14993543 +The torture is justice for all the human suffering they have inflicted in their pre caged lives it has nothing to do with me. You have no idea how evil black gangbangers are you sheltered little bitch, they literally fucking kill innocent people as an initiation into their psycho clique +--- 14993566 +>>14993558 +Its a major US city you imbecile of course companies would set up shop in a black free Baltimore because that mean races that arent black will now populate it and buy their shit far more often than the thieving black psychos +--- 14993593 +>>14993566 +You dint know what you are talking about. Many areas are extremely segregated with no black fir de ages yet the investment STILL hasn't come in droves. +--- 14993600 +>>14993561 +Prison isn't a place for torture. Also why do you think they'd stop at just torturing black prisoners and target others too? You think being Hispanic ir white would "spare" you. +--- 14993608 +>>14993593 +Baltimore is over 50% black if doesnt matter in the slightest how muh waah waah segregated it is and Detroit is a full on african country in racial demographics. Also dont act like blacks have no power in these cities the black supremacist lunacy in these cities is so high that the very white liberals who live in them admit that blacks can do extremely evil things to them and get away with it because the fucking law is black, the fucking courts are black, and the fucking police are black they wont help your cracker ass one bit unless you got alot of money to bribe someone who controls them. The reason these cities have le unemployed black young people is because those young black people dont fucking want jobs to begin with in the same way they give no shits about higher education either not because of le oppression but they are just horrible pieces of shit who think killing,robbing, and raping other blacks is hilarious. +--- 14993611 +>>14993600 +You think I care if some white serial killer gets tortured? +--- 14993625 +>>14993608 +Lmao you are ranting so hard. Why do you think Baltimore would s6ddenlu change? There's other "white" towns and cities that have never recovered from the list of manufacturering and jobs. Why is Baltimore any different? + +>>14993611 +Why do you assume he's a serial killer? +--- 14993642 +>>14993625 +Baltimore is not comparable to them as its a metropolitan city and one of the cities that made America known in the Old World +--- 14993650 +>>14993642 +CIties change all the time you retard. +--- 14993659 +>>14993650 +But the regression in Baltimore is unnatural, there are many documentares on the black criminal problem in Baltimore yet you choose to act like this city is remotely normal by American standards +--- 14993667 +>>14993659 +Because city jobless isn't quite rate. Also the city fucked itself in the past by passing so many laws shifting blacks around in segregated zones allover the place that it fucked the housing market that initially desired the ordinances in thr first place +--- 14993697 +>>14993667 +For example if the city suddenly rekabeks an area "black" that fucks over any homeowner living there of any race. On top of that Baltimore placed highways that ran through many neighborhoods gutting their value and targetted certain ones to do so +--- 14993778 +>>14993558 +>manufacturing +What is this, the 1940s? The manufacturing industry declined nationwide with the advent of machinery and outsourcing. Service industry is the largest by now, so it looks like most whites adjusted to the decline fine. Stop defending apes +--- 14993873 +>>14988831 +death sentence is allegedly even more expensive because the appeals process is more stringent (most countries have a higher standard for death than for life in prison). also because anti-death penalty groups will constantly raise legal challenges to make it more expensive then say "see its too expensive" +--- 14993899 +>>14993778 +>Service industry is the largest by now +Only the areas that could abd have the population to back it up. + +>looks like most whites adjusted to the decline fine. +Not even remotely true lol. You know nothing brownie. +--- 14993909 +>>14993499 +Oh yeah never mind the poverty, decay, and perfect conditions for smuggling. +--- 14993913 +>>14993873 +>also because anti-death penalty groups will constantly raise legal challenges to make it more expensive then say "see its too expensive" +It's not even just that. If you fuck it up you basically spent millions on the process because of how costly the actual killing by the state costs. Even in states that have it, they only really do it for cases they think it can pass on. +--- 14993916 +>>14993873 +Yeah but the appeals process is pretty important. Even with appeals allowed, there are wrongful executions. +--- 14993944 +>>14989292 +You stupid fuck, blacks themselves foment criminality, so why shouldn't they answer for it? Even the black mayor of Chicago defends looting scum, and when blacks end up living in "food deserts" they continue to blame "the system"/racism for their woes. The actual culprit is black criminals who rob stores and start trouble until they lose money. Blacks just take it all for granted. What they should do is start tearing criminals limb from limb because the threat of going to jail obviously isn't enough to keep them out of jail, especially if they aren't affiliated with a gang. Victims' families should take matters into their own hands, the disgustingness and filth should be purged. They partake in anti-social behavior and shoot themselves in the foot to own the white man. A good example of this is their behavior in schools. There are high schools in Baltimore with a graduation rate below 50%, and city-wide, the rate comes up to 68%. So 1 in 3 is a high school dropout. They are never going to be jews but their social standing and proclivity to commit crimes is their own doing and not taken seriously enough. Meanwhile the faggots lose their shit when a white man kills a nig in self defense. They believe all whites responsible and love to make the fates of other blacks like Floyd or Trayvon Martin about themselves so why shouldn't I hold them to their own standards? If they believe an attack on one is an attack on them the opposite should apply and +>whites should hold all blacks responsible for attacks on whites against blacks +>blacks should hold their own responsible, but they'll never do that +--- 14993979 +>>14993899 +>Only the areas that could abd have the population to back it up. +Literally everywhere, retarded nigger lover, and Maryland has millions of people. Is one of the richest states. Stop being a fucking faggot, the manufacturing industry hasn't been big in decades +--- 14994039 +>>14993979 +>Literally everywhere, retarded nigger lover. +Lol not really. Many areas are just husks. You need to stop fixating on the few exceptions. Look at West Virginia lol. +--- 14994049 +>>14993944 +Lol you are frothing at the mouth. Did you get banned from reddit cuz these types of rant posts are pretty common in there +--- 14994057 +>>14993979 +>Maryland has millions of people. Is one of the richest states. +Also is 34% Black. +--- 14994072 +>>14991973 +He didn't. Crime was reducing before he came in for quite some time and Giuliani just lied that he was the eon that caused it +--- 14994088 +>>14994049 +Not an argument nigger lover +No I don't post on nigger lover websites +Now if you'll excuse me I'll be watching a hockey game that is almost nigger-free instead of arguing with nigger loving npcs +--- 14994092 +>>14994057 +Blacks are poor in Maryland +https://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-bz-racial-disparities-employment-20180416-story.html +--- 14994106 +>>14994039 +Ah West Virginia, leftists' favorite outlier to pretend whites are equal to blacks +--- 14994111 +>>14994088 +>Now if you'll excuse me I'll be watching a hockey game that is almost nigger-free instead of arguing with nigger loving npcs +You are the one that can't stop talking about Niggers. +--- 14994114 +>>14993207 +Russia itself is a hellhole. +--- 14994115 +>>14994111 +And you are defending niggers +You even capitalized nigger +--- 14994117 +>>14994115 +And why does this capitalization trigger you? +--- 14994131 +>>14994114 +UHM ASCHULLY THEYRE NOT WHITE +--- 14994150 +>>14993916 +I agree, I'm not sure I have a solution. +--- 14994643 +>create the equivalent of NEETs just to satisfy your rhetoric +--- 14994649 +>>14993873 +Don't allow indefinite appeals. +Take scumbags out by having a firing squad behind the courthouse. +--- 14994652 +>>14989216 +>We live in a nation where rule-of-law dominates. You can’t oppress 12% of a nation because of 0.0003%. +Kek, 1 in 3 black men is a felon +--- 14994653 +>>14994649 +>Take scumbags out by having a firing squad behind the courthouse. +That's what shitholes do anon. Do you live in a shithole thirdie state? +--- 14994658 +>>14994652 +You misquoted that "stat" wrong. It's 1 in 3 assuming 2001 incarceration trends stayed the same. They didn't however. +--- 14994665 +>>14994658 +This is literally on whitehouse.gov anon +--- 14994670 +>>14994665 +As of 2008 the inareration rate for Black men is 1 in 9 +--- 14994676 +>>14994670 +https://www.whitehouse.gov/cea/written-materials/2022/05/09/expanding-economic-opportunity-for-formerly-incarcerated-persons/ +>All told, as of 2010, nearly 1 in 3 Black men have felony convictions +On whitehouse.gov. During the Biden administration. Even your number is much higher than 0.000003%. That's over 10% +--- 14994683 +>>14988779 (OP) + +The majority of people that are in jail are in jail over minor crimes like possession of weed or unpaid debts. There was a leak a while ago about how rightwing states run a debt racket where they jail as much people as possible over debt for the slave labor. Bourgeoisie and unemployed stooges like you and >>14991917 are tyrants. +--- 14994705 +>>14994676 +and targeting such a population is stupid considering men from other races would get caught up in it too. +--- 14994714 +>>14994670 +>the inareration rate for Black men +Not the same thing, nigger loving npc! You could have easily looked this up but you chose not to, and you still make niggers look bad. Incarceration rate refers to current prison population. Prison sentences end, so we are not even on the same wavelength. 1 in 9 currently behind bars is insane. please +--- 14994715 +>>14994714 +Incarceration is the rate for ones currently in prison. Felony conviction covers people who also served time or long left crime. +--- 14994717 +>>14994715 +>Felony conviction covers people who also served time or long left crime. +In other words, criminals. +--- 14994718 +>>14994714 +>1 in 9 currently behind bars is insane. please +and the rates for other males in America is still pretty bad to. So why not jail those men too or expand the system to detain more men? +--- 14994721 +>>14994717 +Not really. +--- 14994725 +>>14994653 +That's what shitholes don't do. + +How retarded do you have to be to want a serial killer to stay alive? +There's no guarantee he stays in prison for life. +If society collapses, he is free to rape and murder again. +--- 14994728 +>>14994718 +Shut up, nigger animal. +--- 14994731 +>>14994721 +You commit a crime, you're a criminal +--- 14994754 +>>14988779 (OP) +Look at all that diversity. +--- 14994796 +>>14994683 +Even if what you mentioned is not jewish hearsay, I don't care anyway. And guess what? You wanted this. You wanted race consciousness everywhere. And guess what? I now see you as subhumans not worthy of respect or empathy. diff --git a/his/14988795.txt b/his/14988795.txt index bed3dcad8b806aaa3852caeb7388020c38e1ef9f..f56f693e013c9c62fa948f30b25b475ca7f11019 100644 --- a/his/14988795.txt +++ b/his/14988795.txt @@ -163,3 +163,765 @@ Why is the Anthrogenica goblinito italian such a whining ape? --- 14989171 >>14989164 This time he was quite strong I must say, he whined only in the last post and this was actually the last post. +--- 14989386 +>>14988795 (OP) +Romans and ancient Greeks were less yamnaya than modern Italians and Greeks, so were even less white. Also many Greeks were from MENA so were unironiclally MENA-shifted. +--- 14989405 +>>14989386 +>less white +No evidence of this. And Yamnaya ancestry doesn't equal whiteness. Mediterraneans received later gene flow from the Near East. + +East Med != farmer +--- 14989408 +>>14989386 +>19% WSH instead of 15% +So Ionians were even more Aryan than Achaeans? Wow! +(see >>14988806, retard) +--- 14989439 +>>14989408 +>more Aryan +Only woman. The logkas samples with 40% steppe are women too. Greek civilization was anatolian man and steppe woman. +--- 14989453 +>>14989439 +The sex bias in favor of Yamnaya men was confirmed. The whole palace of Nestor is R1b. It's over, darktroon. +--- 14989455 +>>14988795 (OP) +Senatorial Mediterraneans are predestined to rule the world. +--- 14989463 +>>14988964 +>>14989088 +/thread +--- 14989465 +>>14989463 +Did you make my pizza, goblin? +--- 14989472 +>>14989465 +Pizza is not delivered to Kamchatka. +--- 14989475 +>>14989472 +Bring it to me yourself then. +--- 14989497 +>>14989475 +My establishment has a strict policy where we only serve humans. Mya apologies. Now if you excusea me. I have tah cookah da pizza. +--- 14989517 +>>14989144 +True +--- 14989525 +>>14989497 +>>14989517 +This shitalian servant is mad now. Sad. +--- 14989553 +>>14989525 +It'sa justah dio policy of mya good-ah establishment. We-a had you genetically tested and for some reason we were told your closest living relative was some sort of fungus endemic to the island of Svenskøya in-a svalvard. We are a very confused about this. We a tried to ask notorious race-a experto hakan about it and he mumbled something about the ibero-maurusians and the bandigara escarpment coupled with a something about a meteorite falling into a chukotkan swamp befor-e leaving us. +--- 14989661 +>>14989165 +Yes, Pedro. The Grecco-Roman statues weren't actually painted. It's all a conspiracy +--- 14989666 +>>14989661 +Yes some statues even retained their natural paint. +--- 14989677 +>>14988795 (OP) +>Illya wuz everything +>Still completely irrelevant to anyone outside of niche E-groups. +If your genes actually meant anything you'd be AT LEAST running a small criminal enterprise or business by now. Not shitposting about archaeogenetics on 4channel. +--- 14989683 +>>14989677 +Race is real for the record. but those ayyrian genes are clearly not doing any good within our friend here. +Faggot larps as cultures he doesn't care about beyond how he can ascribe value to himself based upon their achievements while never seeing a horse in his fucking life. Let alone riding one. +--- 14989789 +>>14989677 +>>14989683 +Ressentiment. +--- 14989885 +>>14989789 +mordvix has ressentiment for europeans, yep +--- 14990069 +>that schizo rusnigger insulting meds and calling them farm equipment +--- 14990127 +>>14988795 (OP) +they weren't "white" as in north west european +--- 14990219 +I don't get it. so according to ilya alpine celts were wops, but actual wops were huwite? hows that make sense? doesn't the whole of southern europe being wops make more sense? +--- 14990226 +>>14990219 +Shhh. Let nordicists have their cope. It's the only thing they have. +--- 14990230 +>>14990219 +The North Italian/Iberian/South French like DNA profile seems to be the most common in ancient South Europe. +--- 14990231 +>>14990226 +shut up wop, point is wops have always been lesser humans +--- 14990254 +Don't medbugs feel humilliated by having to speak, think, worship and follow indoeuropean cultures while being farmgoblins? +Seems quite pathetic to have no roots but those forced upon you by foreigners +--- 14990274 +>>14988804 +FPBP +--- 14990278 +>>14990254 +I think it's the other way round, a certain section of the schizo community has gone full error 404 once the greeks and romans were (obviously) found out to be southrons. All those years LARPing as the nordic hellenes and then they come out 15% steppe +--- 14990289 +>>14990254 +Germanics, celts and slavs are farmers too. Indoeuropean nomads in steppe were destroyed by turkics and mongols. +--- 14990300 +>>14990231 +Cope. Western culture is based on those "brown wops". +Just think about the Nord's legacy like...uhhh, Vikings and shiiieet, and uuum ,uuuuhh cool Nordic, Aryan stuff I'm sure. +--- 14990327 +>>14990289 +Nah +Farmnigger is the signature ancestry of medbugs. The most farmnigger the more medbug. +But medbugs have no farmnigger religion. No farmnigger language, no farmnigger Ydna... everything extinct. They are mere slaves for those that genocided their kin +--- 14990405 +why can modern southern europeans be genetically modeled as half Arab half western european? but ancient ones couldn't +--- 14990450 +>>14990405 +--- 14990516 +>>14988795 (OP) +what's really upside down comes from the quite modern ressentment based inverted hierarchy where that which is basest ought to be elevated as a sort of "revenge" against that which is more special +in this case this is a predictable "pendulum swing" where a certain excessive nordicism results in a reaction of all sorts of shitskins/third worlders but also the current local squatters have to go the opposite way and often claim "uhm akshually they wuz brown", as if the ancients themselves don't blow the fuck out of this notion since they considered themselves "white" in a basic sense, not as white as their norther neighbors of course, but certainly not like their southern neighbors either +to project this mentality on aristocratic minded ancient elites is preposterous, as if they'd see the common traits of the plebshit they ruled over as something desirable for themselves +so of course things like lily skin and light hair for women would be seen as special/aristocratic, precisely because it wasn't a common sight among the basest men; that of course doesn't mean it would be super common either among the elites, but it wouldn't be looked down +--- 14990575 +>>14990516 +>as if the ancients themselves don't blow the fuck out of this notion since they considered themselves "white" in a basic sense +so? iberians considered themselves white in the colonial ages + +the romans were brown people by modern standards +--- 14990585 +>>14990575 +they were certainly swarthoids, i don't know what that guy is up to +the greeks were even swarhtier +--- 14990594 +>>14990516 +>ressentment +it's resentment ilya, with one s +--- 14990605 +>>14990575 +>>14990585 +utter nonsense debunked by the ancients themselves +look I get it, every morning after you wake up you take a shit, then go to the mirror and get a feeling you haven't flushed, but stop projecting your loss at the human lottery onto the past +--- 14990610 +recap of this entire thread +we lost, r1b lost, ilya won +--- 14990621 +>>14990610 +it's him, look at that weak body +--- 14990630 +>>14990610 +mordcuck can't throw a punch +--- 14990639 +>>14988964 +Wales What the fuck, stealth Aryans? +--- 14990648 +>>14990610 +lol +--- 14990659 +>>14990605 +Yep. +--- 14990660 +>>14988964 +it's worth nothing there are no samples from Skourtanioti 2023 which raise some important questions considering the sudden appearance as south as Crete of steppe-rich/Balkan_BA-rich samples at the end of the bronze age precisely when Dorians are thought to have expanded in the Peloponnese and Crete +many perhaps don't realize that in the division of Greek itself from proto-Hellenic Mycenaean is not basal to classical Greek dialects, but rather it's basal only to east Greek, west Greek split earlier; this makes sense with the evidence that Mycenaeans and later Attic-Ionians seemed to have remained relatively stable in terms of genotype = Aegean BA type +--- 14990670 +>>14990659 +>cherrypicked styilized art +expected nothing less given your obvious inability to counter the very words of an ancient Roman +I'll cherrypick lily skinned Ajax, blonde haired Achilles and Menelaos and the rest all the way to the xanthokomai Hellenes mentioned by Pindar +--- 14990682 +>>14990670 +Most ancient greeks samples are dark haired, brown eyed and intermediate skinned. It is not cherrypicking. +--- 14990692 +>>14990682 +"intermediate skin" in the hirisplex system(which is absolutely not fail safe given the missing data typical of ancient DNA resulting in darker scores) is just your average white skin you see from Iberia to Greece +nobody is arguing they were as pale as Irishmen, but they weren't brown walking turds like the abomination you see in the mirror either +--- 14990703 +>>14990692 +>is just your average white skin you see from Iberia to Greece +those guys are brown, therefore the greeks and romans were brown +--- 14990709 +>>14990659 +that quote i think is from adamantius. a 5th ad cent hellenized jew. +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adamantius_(physician) +--- 14990713 +>>14990703 +>those guys are brown +stop projecting mr large human shaped pile of dung +--- 14990721 +>>14990709 +no it's directly from Polemon, Adamantius merely used the former as a source and paraphrased the same thing though also expanding +--- 14990739 +>>14990605 +the quote is from Adamantius +that jewish guy was pretty funny, he thought ancient greeks were all red haired lmao +--- 14990741 +>>14989666 +Med BVLL +--- 14990748 +>>14990739 +see >>14990721 +--- 14990752 +>>14990713 +they look like arabs +--- 14990775 +>>14990752 +that's just because you are hallucinating on third world air, it's not your fault +funnily enough another common name for the "westisch" classification in German literature was "basic white" in the anglo one +--- 14991059 +fucking die +--- 14991087 +>>14991059 +>his gf left him for a shitalian +Kek +--- 14991106 +>>14989169 +You're not a Med though you're not even white +--- 14991170 +>>14989169 +>>14989169 +i'd like to tear out your fucking lungs +--- 14991183 +>>14991059 +>>14991170 +Rent free. +--- 14991187 +>>14988843 +>All Europeans except the ones in Baltic, Britain, and Scandinavia were genetically spics in the Iron Age. +You mean, Spanish like? +--- 14991203 +>>14988804 +Real whites were meds but they're already muttified due to the indo-european invasion. +--- 14991205 +>>14991170 +Why do slavoids never have a normal neck. +also dont post kid vs boomer to make a fair comparision +--- 14991209 +BLEED BLEED BLEED +--- 14991242 +>>14991170 +Russian ancestry is mixed +--- 14991252 +>>14991242 +Russians aren't pure whites +--- 14991461 +>>14991059 +>>14991209 +So the die, bleed, get shot schizo was actually mordvix too. +--- 14991594 +>>14991461 +No, that shizo is brown migrant from italy. +--- 14991607 +>>14991461 +>>14991594 +He is from Argentina, not Italy +--- 14991887 +>>14991607 +>>14991594 +Somefagging mordvix. Take your meds. +--- 14992052 +>>14991187 +Yes, exactly. +>>14990230 +Not in South, in the whole Europe up to Central. +--- 14992207 +>>14990450 +Modern Italians have less ehg +--- 14992212 +>>14990327 +>No farmnigger language, +Basques still have. +>But medbugs have no farmnigger religion. +Christianity and Islam +--- 14992223 +>>14989386 +>Romans and ancient Greeks were less yamnaya than modern Italians and Greeks, so were even less white. +Yamnaya weren't white. +--- 14992225 +>>14990610 +>light switch at the head level +>light switches are 48 inches/121 cm from the floor +mordlet sisters +--- 14992250 +>>14988795 (OP) +Nordcel snowmonkey cope thread +--- 14992260 +>>14988806 +Hi ugly Slavic freak +--- 14992267 +>>14992250 +>>14992260 +Darktroon. Hasn't the Kshatriya death squad tortured your family enough? +--- 14992278 +LMAO +--- 14992291 +>>14989661 +I can cherrypick too. Reminder that most Greco Roman statues which were painted were discovered to have brown/black hair and dark eyes. +--- 14992310 +Med Cope thread? Med Cope thread. +>>14992278 +Holy Cope +--- 14992311 +>>14992223 +Steppe is what makes northern europeans different from southern """europeans""". There isn't many way outs +--- 14992318 +>>14990670 +C O P I U M +O +P +I +U +M +--- 14992325 +>>14992291 +Gladiatorial slaves vs Elites +>>14992318 +Dark plebs, light patricians +--- 14992326 +>>14992291, >>14992318 <- this is darktroon, btw. A filthy dravidian ape. +--- 14992333 +>>14992326 +These dudes call people with light brown hair and pale skin swarthy +--- 14992341 +>>14990670 +You do know Homer was a poet right? Is the literal definitions are to be believed, Herakles is a black man (he's described as black bottomed), other sources name Aphrodite and Dyonisus as black haired, and Homer himself says Hades and Poseidon are black haired right? You're a retard. But what can be expected of we wuzzers. +--- 14992346 +>>14992325 +Whatever you say, Slav(e)ic filth. +--- 14992357 +>>14992325 +>Gladiatorial slaves +You're an ignorant retard. One is a ATHENIAN KING, the other is believed to be a Thracian. You literally make shit up to cope with your delusions you loser. +--- 14992360 +>>14992346, +>>14992357 <- darktroon. A pajeet refugee, was bullied by mutts in Michigan. +--- 14992364 +>>14992346 +>compares a fresco from germany to a fresco from egypt. +Uhh pajeetsisters are we getting desperate? +--- 14992373 +>>14992346 +There's nothing to be said. You think white people with light brown hair and the same race as your poop skinned ilk. Here's your "swarthoid", bro. +>>14992357 +>Thracian +Northern Barbarians are brown too now +--- 14992379 +>>14992325 +Aphrodite, a literal Goddess. Keep coping loser, you're embarassing yourself. +--- 14992392 +>>14992379 +>Goddess +So not real then. +--- 14992400 +So swarthy... +--- 14992407 +>>14988795 (OP) +Based OP opressing the joomers, good shit. +--- 14992408 +>>14992326 +Hasn't that dravidian ape gotten enough humiliation already? Why does he larp as a wop? +--- 14992409 +>>14992379 +Painted by anatolian slaves in naples +--- 14992428 +>>14992373 +>Northern Barbarians are brown too now +Exactly, see >>14988806. All those "northern barbarians" were spic-like. +>>14992408 +It's her (it's a literal tranny) usual state. You rather must see how she's larping as a Germanic, I was just shocked when I saw it. +--- 14992436 +hahahahaha +--- 14992453 +>>14992392 +Alkibiades, a Greek. I've presented a plethora of images from the ancient world which you just cope with muh slave, then post renaissance paintings. I realized you're the mentally ill guy who spams 'farming equiment' and 'MUH DARKTROON'. Fuck off and take your meds schizo. +--- 14992457 +>>14992453 <- still a larping dravidian ape. +--- 14992462 +>>14988795 (OP) +They look like modern Italians. They were White. There are some MENA samples in Imperial Roman era from slaves. Both in the Roman Republic era and after the fall of the Empire there are zero MENA samples, only European with continuity to modern day Italians. + +>tl;dr: Anti-white Chudcope. +--- 14992465 +>>14992453 +Green eyes, pale skin. +Browncel Btfo +--- 14992471 +>>14989666 +Why do med bulls make nordicists hate them but at the same time, makes them WE WUZ? Also nice trips +--- 14992478 +>>14990405 +Because Levantines have been raped by Greeks, Romans, Crusaders, Mongols, Caucasains etc. constantly for the last 2500 years? +--- 14992479 +>>14992453 +No, you just post pictures of people with light brown hair and pale skin and call them swarthy. I'm not "muh darktroon" guy btw, there is more than one of us +>>14992471 +>Why do med bulls make nordicists hate them but at the same time, makes them WE WUZ? Also nice trips +--- 14992480 +>>14992465 +>pale skin +Maybe where you come from, LMAO. +--- 14992488 +>>14989661 +Looks better without the long curls ngl. +--- 14992491 +>>14992465 +No one is saying Mediterraneans are brown pajeets, that's just your schizo projecting. They are tawny, dark haired, Europeans. You just need to think in binaries because you have the IQ of a jogger and feel the need to WE WUZ to feel any semblance of validation. +--- 14992495 +>>14992471 <- darktroon the dravidian ape started to samefagging. +--- 14992499 +>>14992479 +>Posts a man with green eyes because he is literally face-blind and couldn't differentiate a Nord from an albino dravidian if both were taken to him without any contextual clues. +--- 14992505 +>>14992499 +He posted a literal nigger, the ape he posted is nothing like European racially. +--- 14992507 +>>14992491 +>They are tawny, dark haired +Indians +--- 14992510 +>>14989661 +Kek +--- 14992513 +>>14992505 +>Niggers with green eyes +Cool story buddy. +The only brownskins with colored eyes you'll be able to find "naturally" are select types of Mexican and even that's strange. +--- 14992515 +>>14992507 +Levantines and Anatolians rather: >>14988991. +--- 14992516 +>>14992491 +>No one is saying Mediterraneans are brown pajeets +That is precisely which poos on twitter are saying and you are supporting that. +--- 14992525 +>>14992499 +>HAHAHA we're so swarthy MED BULL MED BULL NORDKEK +>NOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST CALL US SWARTHY +>>14992510 +You don't look like that, Pedro +--- 14992530 +>>14992513 +Such a thing as rape babies exist. +--- 14992531 +>>14992510 +The golden ones hair is wavy at best and even that is doubtful. +Btw wavy hair is still a pain in the ass. +I'm glad I didn't inherit my mom's or dad's curls. +--- 14992532 +>>14992513 +>bbbut muh colors!!! +Get education. He's undoutedly African morphologically. +--- 14992538 +>>14992525 +Niggers do not have green eyes buddy I'm sorry. I have not participated in this thread prior to that post. +I just think you should cherrypick your football players to not have green eyes. +--- 14992539 +Reposting this image because troons ignored it +--- 14992542 +>>14992516 +>I don't buy into nordicist headcanon and that makes me support Pajeets +I'm sorry I'm not autistic enough to be involved in your Twitter/discord dramas, but I call a spade a spade and nordicists are retarded and as bad if not worst then Afro centrists. +--- 14992557 +>>14992542 +You're using textbook illustrations as proof +--- 14992559 +>>14992539 +It's been since Rome. Italic and then Germanic overlords have ruled over Levantine-Anatolian hordes. +--- 14992562 +>>14992479 +>there is more than one of us +Yes, you and your proxies, mordmutt +--- 14992578 +>>14992562 +I'm the Arab-Canadian, remember? +--- 14992581 +Mordvix, you will never be a R1b. You have no history, you have no art, you have no culture. You are a subhuman and homosexual creature twisted by delusions and historical revisionism into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection. +All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back R1b mock you. Historians are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors. +--- 14992596 +>>14992530 +Well of course. But that happened enough hundreds of years ago that they are their own population. +>>14992532 +A very caucasoid type of African then. Unless you have a very obtuse definition of African morphology only you hold. +--- 14992597 +>>14992562 +>>14992581 +Ewww the Georgian boyfriend of mordvix from his russian discord. +Shoo shoo, this is between medmoors and us, dissapear ape +--- 14992603 +>>14992513 +Hundreds of niggers, Jews, nafris, pajeets and even ethiopians with green eyes. Yes. +--- 14992625 +>>14992603 +Blue eyes and blond hair too. +--- 14992639 +>>14992625 +Way fewer +--- 14992697 +>>14992250 +Yeah, the Roman emperors obviously weren't Nordic and didn't have platinum blond hair. Still there were emperors described as having fair hair. This should come to no surprise as it can be ascertained from Roman frescoes and written accounts that blond Italic people definitely existed. It would only make sense then that at least a few emperors would also have been naturally blond. Also, your image is not much better as it uses quotes from a juvenile history book void of sources, and a black race denier. +--- 14992711 +>>14992695 +--- 14992738 +>>14992596 +Yes, but the simple fact that the medfag ITT is missing is the "Europeaness" of having any percentage of blondes/blue eyes in your population represent. It does not matter if it is 10% or 50% or 80% since at no point in time were Euros 100% blonde in human history, and oliveskin vs. whiteskin is even less important. + +European men basically raped the entire planet, in both pre-historic and historic times. However, since blonde/blue are recessive genes, almost none of the mutt people they created have even a small percentage of blondes. So despite the fact that most native Europeans have always had darker hair/eyes, if you have occasional blondes in your population group it indicates your people are native Europeans. Not some mutt mixture like 90 IQ Levantines. The fact is that it is even more indicative of European identity than Indo-European languages which mutts also speak. And another fact missed by Euros in general is that light hair genes includes many Euros who are born with lighter features that darken with age. + +Even the fucking Ancient Greeks noticed this and lamented that "impure" Greek bloodlines in Egypt no longer produce the occasional blonde haired offspring. +--- 14992744 +Swarthy Indian according to /his/ +--- 14992760 +>>14992539 +Luigi Di Maio stand out among other Italians in photos I've seen. +--- 14992762 +>>14992738 +>Even the fucking Ancient Greeks noticed this and lamented that "impure" Greek bloodlines in Egypt no longer produce the occasional blonde haired offspring. +where did you read that? +--- 14992764 +>>14992697 +>From the sixth century to the end of the 19th century, historians had recognized that the Historia Augusta was a flawed and not a particularly reliable source, and since the 20th century modern scholars have tended to treat it with extreme caution. +Oh no no no nordsisters. +--- 14992773 +>>14988995 +big agree, also cute kots +--- 14992788 +Schizo thread +--- 14992791 +>>14992581 +>R1b +>the highest percentage is in Ireland and Nigeria & Cameroon +--- 14992795 +Bruh Dionysus be so swarthy bro frfr she be having dat light brown hair she looks my cousin (I am Indian) +--- 14992807 +So fucking swarthy fr fr nocap +--- 14992809 +>>14992791 +Lost Celt auxiliary legion buck breaking the bantus and creating chads +--- 14992813 +SO SWARTHY NORDKEKS BTFO +--- 14992821 +>>14992795 +>we wuz twinks +--- 14992822 +>>14992813 +This nigga be kinda blond doe.. he just have dat light brown hair doe no worries fr fr +--- 14992827 +>>14992822 +>twink nordcuck slave made for big med cock +--- 14992835 +>>14992821 +dat nigga be so swarthy even though he looks like a sunburnt white boomer +--- 14992836 +>>14992795 +>Women have lighter skin than men +>This is a new revelation to you people +Are you serious? +--- 14992844 +Bruh angloids btfo this bitch swarthy AF +--- 14992854 +These niggas totally don't look like anglo saxons nigga fr fr +--- 14992860 +>>14992854 +They don't? +Stop faceblindness posting. +--- 14992861 +Mordvix coping about being a twink bitchsissy +--- 14992871 +>>14992764 +>>From the sixth century to the end of the 19th century, historians had recognized that the Historia Augusta was a flawed and not a particularly reliable source, and since the 20th century modern scholars have tended to treat it with extreme caution. +There are other, more reliable works describing Emperors as blond. e.g. The Twelve Caesars and Herodian's Roman History. +--- 14992878 +>>14992860 +Yep look way closer to some dalit than this guy +--- 14992882 +>>14988795 (OP) +>hehe I will paint and draw some guys as pink, the perfect crime hehe +--- 14992890 +>>14992861 +MedTurk breaking down towards homosexuality as he is genetically inclined +--- 14992892 +>>14992871 +None of them are "flaventium" like the supposedly blonde Verus. Funny that the only description with an accurate translation comes from an unreliable source. +--- 14992896 +>>14992892 + +>>14992795 +>>14992807 +>>14992813 +>>14992821 +>>14992822 +>>14992844 +>>14992854 +So swarthy +--- 14992903 +They should swarthy guys like this to portray Romans in movies +--- 14992905 +>>14992795 +>>14992807 +>>14992813 +>>14992821 +>>14992822 +>>14992844 +>>14992854 +>>14992896 +It's not about swarthness though. See their faces, noses, skulls. Their major ancestors, ANF, didn't belong to such type regardless of color, this type is from their minor ancestors, WSH, who are also the major ancestors of modern Nords. +--- 14992914 +>>14992539 +Carlos Sainz Jr. is also considerably darker than his father. It seems you are cherry picking. +--- 14992915 +>>14992809 +BASED +--- 14992919 +>>14992914 +Nah bruh, he be a swarthy MED BVLL +--- 14992940 +>>14992471 +We are the same. This is now a Nord Med unity thread btw. +--- 14992949 +>>14992940 +No way, Gonzales. +--- 14993363 +>>14992892 +Do you deny there were blond Romans? If you don't then why are you so hostile to the idea of even just one out of the 25 emperors from Augustus to the fall of Rome were blond? Sure, most Romans, and probably most emperors had dark hair and eyes as is the case with Southern Europe today. This, however, doesn't mean that the minority with lighter features can't exell, or even become emperors or presidents/prime ministers in the modern day like Eleftherios Venizelos and Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. Likewise, in Northern Europe and especially Scandinavia brown eyes are rare. Despite this, many notable Scandinavians had or have brown eyes: Carl Linnaeus, Ivar Aasen, Sven Hedin, Magnus Carlsen etc. +>>14992949 +They look like brothers. +--- 14993457 +>>14993363 +>look like +Phenotype =/= genotype, see >>14992905. +--- 14993479 +>>14993457 +Are you seriously trying to say Nordics are fucking Dravidian, I don't even know what to say to that. +--- 14993481 +>>14992557 +I didn't post it as 'proof'. I already posted a picture with real art ranging from Mycenean Greece, to Rome, to Roman Egypt, as well as actual genetics. We can deduce the following: + +1. Ancient Greeks were majority EEF with low levels of Steppe. +2. Majority EEF populations tend to have pale skin which turns bronze/tawny in the sun, and black/brown hair. There is a minority which have blonde hair, but this isn't indicative of Steppe admixture. There were even blondes in Minoan Crete, which had negligible amounts of Steppe. +3. Genetics, artistic depictions, and many descriptions in literature confirm this. There is no hard evidence of a "Steppe elites". Only conjecture +4. Romans resemble modern Spaniards the most, and ancient Greeks resemble modern Italians the most. This is fact and no shit slinging by the same 2-3 schizos (the Russian aspie, the MUH DARKTROON schizo, etc.) +5. WE WUZZING and haploautism is cringe, and mostly amerimutt nordicists, slavs, and poojeets engage in it- this is because poos are insecure about their own race and nordicists WE WUZ as literally every race on earth in order to feel superior, due to their deep seated sub Saharan tier racial autism. +--- 14993487 +>>14988964 +>>14989088 +>>14989144 +It's 20% steppe Romans. +--- 14993495 +>>14993481 <- still darktroon. +--- 14993500 +>>14992949 +Is Gonzalez supposed to be an insult? Spain and the Spanish empire are a great European nation and tradition. +--- 14993503 +>>14993500 +>Spain and the Spanish empire +Were ruled by Germanics. +--- 14993507 +>>14992878 +Yeah yeah. + +I wonder, can someone make a bot to imitate you? +How hard would it be? +Maybe program a thing to make it so that it says preset sentences with the trademarked vocabulary? +--- 14993515 +>>14992507 +You are literally retarded. +--- 14993529 +>>14988804 +Cope. All that's happening is the traitorous and inferior stock is being ejected into the lesser races. In 100 years what you'll actually have is cells of hyper-loyal white enclaves covertly extracting resources from the mullato underclass +--- 14993531 +>>14993503 +Germanics were monkeys for centuries and dominated by literally everybody until they become the Pope's golems. Without Christianity there is no Germanics. Their women were raped and taken as slaves for centuries. For centuries, it was well seen to be an Iberian member of Roma, while Germonkeys were literal sex.slaves in brothels across the empire. So much so that prostitutes used blonde dyes to appear more attractive as it was so commonplace to have Gaul/Celtic/Germanic whores. +--- 14993542 +>>14993531 +You have deep seated issues accepting reality. +--- 14993550 +>>14993531 <- that's a darktroon's post. +>>14993542 +Don't bother reading, she always lies. +--- 14993552 +>>14993529 +Basically, Jews. Lmao nordicists are so retarded with no self awareness that they try to insult by acting like semites. +--- 14993554 +>>14993529 +How did that work out for the shtetl niggers and the Chinese in sea? +--- 14993555 +>>14993552 <- still the ape. Why does she try? +--- 14993559 +>>14993542 +Please indicate what I mentioned here was false. Germanics literally only became relevant when the empire was in decadence, and after as a proxy army for the pope. And even then centuries later Germonkeys turned on them too and splintered western Christianity forever. +--- 14993563 +>>14993552 +Mordvix made a thread on /int/ claiming the same thing. +--- 14993565 +>>14993554 +And by the way, whites are not magic. Races that have been confined to shitty enclaves very rarely rebound to have golden ages. No matter how eugenic you claim the process might be (regardless if it actually is or not) +--- 14993577 +spaniards are obsessed with tying themselves to germs and to their visigothic heritage +--- 14993587 +>>14993552 +Except white people are more than capable of defending themselves. Jews cannot survive without a hostz whereas whites would be colonising the star right now if other races didn't exist +--- 14993590 +>>14993563 +Post the link. +--- 14993595 +>>14993565 +So then why would white fall from their pedestal if reduced people never rebound? Every non-white race is clamouring in the BILLIONS to live in white countries even as second-class citizens +--- 14993641 +>>14993565 +Unless you believe the basque is going to restore the glory of the neolithic any day now. +--- 14993656 +>>14993641 +Aren't Aztecs basically restoring their glory through the Mexican reconquest of America? +--- 14993682 +>>14993656 +No, they all want to live in America with American standards and American neighbours with American values, otherwise they wouldn't be clamouring to get into America illegal. If they were actually "reclaiming the glory" of the natives they'd be storming America and seizing her lands by force to make it more like Mexico, which is exactly what they're all trying to escape +--- 14993723 +>>14993656 +I wouldn't call modern Mexicans Aztecs in any serious sense of the word. Even if you choose to believe a mestizo (or even pure-blooded Amerindian) who speaks Spanish only, is catholic, and has only very tenuous connections with the natives at this point counts as an Aztec, that would imply that the Aztecs were never driven into tiny enclaves, given that they were never (majorly, some exceptions apply) displaced colonists or slaves during the colony. +>>14993595 +>So then why would white fall from their pedestal if reduced people never rebound? +People reduced to a scarce few enclaves/city-states/whatever very rarely rebound (and when they do its even rare that they reach the heights they used to). The political version of this is a rump state. That's my statement, not that reduced people never rebound, but that people who end up as tiny refugees or as a diaspora without a homeland rarely do. +--- 14993732 +>>14993682 +>they all want to live in America with American standards and American neighbors with American values. +They don't, they want dollars. You can pay spics pennies and it'll still be worth more than their local currency. Like Japan in a way. +--- 14993740 +>>14993531 +>Germanics were monkeys for centuries and dominated by literally everybody +Who were they dominated by? +>until they become the Pope's golems. +The pope was saved from the Lombards by the Franks who supported the Popes autonomy. This makes them golems? +>Without Christianity there is no Germanics. +? +>Their women were raped and taken as slaves for centuries. +That's sad +>For centuries, it was well seen to be an Iberian member of Roma, while Germonkeys were literal sex.slaves in brothels across the empire. +The fall of Rome really was a good thing. +>So much so that prostitutes used blonde dyes to appear more attractive as it was so commonplace to have Gaul/Celtic/Germanic whores. +Interesting, some emperors also dyed their hair blond. Are you implying Germanics are more attractive? +--- 14993775 +>>14993732 +Mind you, spics and common people in general have very few higher ideals. I have more than once made joking comparisons between spics (all of Latam) and Germanics around the migration period and until the 700s. There are as many differences as there are similarities but it's still an interesting parallelism to make. +--- 14993782 +>>14993775 +Also just for the record. Like in any race. there are spics with capacities for something higher (in one way or another) +--- 14993783 +>Germanics were monkeys for centuries and dominated by literally everybody until they become the Pope's golems. Without Christianity there is no Germanics. Their women were raped and taken as slaves for centuries. For centuries, it was well seen to be an Iberian member of Roma, while Germonkeys were literal sex.slaves in brothels across the empire. So much so that prostitutes used blonde dyes to appear more attractive as it was so commonplace to have Gaul/Celtic/Germanic whores. +--- 14993788 +>>14993577 +Not surprisingly, being a part of Faustian civilization, one wishes to get closer to the center of it. +--- 14993791 +>>14993783 +Nah. That was darktroon so post a dravidian poojeet. Likely from Hijra caste. +--- 14993808 +>>14993791 +Germanics were monkeys for centuries and dominated by literally everybody until they become the Pope's golems. Without Christianity there is no Germanics. Their women were raped and taken as slaves for centuries. For centuries, it was well seen to be an Iberian member of Roma, while Germonkeys were literal sex.slaves in brothels across the empire. So much so that prostitutes used blonde dyes to appear more attractive as it was so commonplace to have Gaul/Celtic/Germanic whores. +--- 14993822 +>>14993775 +And while seeing cringy Latinx names like yonaiker, jefferson, mikelson and usmail in the records for the kings of future America would be funny it'd be still kind of sad. +Plus I would like it better if the non-garbage naming traditions stayed. (Like Hebrew, germanic, saintly, or Roman names for example) +--- 14993827 +>>14993808 +Yeah, she likely looks so. Can't even imagine disgust the Kshatriya death squad will feel when find her in Michigan. +--- 14993932 +>>14993822 +Just imagine. President Mikelson of new orleans. diff --git a/his/14989102.txt b/his/14989102.txt index f83336a52d90cf91d5d19eda2d44031f03afa075..c5add00b39e2c46ebd3f1f88fb4b0d0e72231691 100644 --- a/his/14989102.txt +++ b/his/14989102.txt @@ -12,3 +12,18 @@ Iraq 2.0. you see all those militia groups? they're fighting each other. theyll --- 14989116 >>14989108 Indeed. Maybe Turkey tries its hand unilaterally after the war inevitably fails and the U.S pulls out. Also, Russia and Lebanon would be wildcards. +--- 14990475 +>>14989105 +You could've deleted the thread man. +--- 14991771 +>>14990475 +You could have not bumped it. +--- 14991966 +>>14989105 +Blessed thread +--- 14993906 +>>14989102 (OP) +They didn't because they were losing in Afghanistan and Iraq. The answer is obvious on what would have happened. +--- 14993912 +>>14989102 (OP) +Read the fucking sticky, 25 year rule. diff --git a/his/14989322.txt b/his/14989322.txt index 98c1f82ca36bc519fc36fe76f637e0c0f85f9307..2df3f7d86dbb644db3289211f8bc056f3f58d88c 100644 --- a/his/14989322.txt +++ b/his/14989322.txt @@ -6,3 +6,74 @@ Do you like Taylor Marshal? I’d say he is very…le based. He looks like a quadroon --- 14989344 Prot LARPing as a Catholic. +--- 14989377 +Too cocky to be the kind of person I’d look up to as a spiritual leader. Maybe 16 year olds find him cool. +--- 14989417 +Tradcaths are all divisive bastards. I’m catholic but we Christians need to stick together against a secular world order increasingly hostile to the Gospel. +--- 14989419 +>>14989339 +He looks like Ron Perlman if Ron Perlman were a door to door bible salesman. +--- 14989431 +Can’t tell if part Jewish or just inbred +--- 14990662 +bump +--- 14990686 +>>14989431 +rent free +--- 14990733 +>>14989322 (OP) +I dont like his head shape/ face +--- 14990743 +>>14989339 +>>14989419 +>>14989431 +>>14990733 +wow, judging his appearance instead of his actions, how mature +--- 14990761 +>>14990743 +What are his actions? +--- 14990772 +>>14990761 +Teaching people worldwide about Traditional Catholicism. +--- 14990819 +>>14989339 +>He looks like a quadroon +Typical amerimutt +--- 14990894 +>>14990819 +>>>/int/ +--- 14990949 +I don’t know who this is and I don’t care. +--- 14990991 +>>14989322 (OP) +No. +He frequently lies about Protestantism, he's a Mary worshipper, and likes click bait shock jockism to rile up his TLM and "traditionalist" crowd. +--- 14991024 +>>14989417 +I'm not Catholic, but there's too much I agree with and enjoy about the average Catholic's company than not. It's not even a difficult choice. +--- 14991248 +>No. +>He frequently lies about Protestantism, he's a Mary worshipper, and likes click bait shock jockism to rile up his TLM and "traditionalist" crowd. +--- 14991263 +>>14991248 +>I am duped by random women in blue ancient and medieval clothing +>She's Mary, and whatever she says, I must do +--- 14991278 +>>14991263 +meds +--- 14991363 +>>14989344 +>>14989417 +Agreed 100%, I'm Catholic as well and he just seems intentionally malicious. He combines Protestant ignorance and combatitive attitude with a Catholic traditional lens and it makes him and all those who praise him complete mouthbreathers. TradCaths (in the flanderized sense that many of them appear as) give a bad name to Christians everywhere and are on the same level as Muslim Dawahgandists. +--- 14991371 +>>14991278 +>Do pharmakia witchcraft please +--- 14993103 +>>14991248 +Why is he eating shit? +--- 14994208 +>>14993103 +Because he was a documented coprophile +--- 14994215 +>>14993103 +>he doesn't know diff --git a/his/14989452.txt b/his/14989452.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..2bbe15bca0065c897d318592d61e2b4901c0b29c --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14989452.txt @@ -0,0 +1,67 @@ +----- +--- 14989452 +Most of the provinces were third worlder for roman era standards. +--- 14989480 +>>14989452 (OP) +That and that beef between Bonifatius and Aetius +--- 14989487 +Vandals ruined it +--- 14989624 +>>14989452 (OP) +Pretty insane to think there are countries in the 21st century with that or even lower level of GDP per capita +--- 14989637 +>>14989624 +Pretty insane that some of those same countries have swathes of their population that live lives objectively worse than than the average roman. Imagine not having access to clean drinking water, paved roads, or any uniform semblance of governance and be jealous of the standard of living of people who lived 2000 years ago +--- 14989790 +Imagine framing ancient history - especially RVMAN history - into judeoamerican values LMAO. the romans always called the egyptians barbarians and slaves, they hated and despised them, Augustus banned egyptian cults/priests/immigrants from Rome. Regardless of their wealth. Now read what Tacitus writes about the Germans. Yes, they were poor, but the Romans saw themselves, as they were in the beginning, in that people. The whole policy of Augustus was based on that, and that's why Mark Antony failed. +--- 14990141 +>>14989790 +>but the Romans saw themselves, as they were in the beginning, in that people +no they didn't +--- 14990233 +>>14990141 +Yes they did retard +--- 14990328 +>>14989452 (OP) +Leaving aside the ancient gdp nonsense. No because the inflated italian gdp is decades if not centuries of tax money and when Rome was an upstart it was at poorer than Carthage, or Greece, so it could never stay together in the 100 years it took from unifying all italians to conquering them according to this logic. +Christianism alienating the rural masses that would have been most conscripts to the army makes a much better explanation. Still tons of pagans in the countryside into the early middle ages. +Eastern side had a lot more christians and was much less reliant on germanics, and once the visigoths were away never again had germanic problems. More importantly it had better emperors and no coups until Zeno. +--- 14991029 +>>14989790 +>Wealth didn't matter back then because...because... because of the rvmvn aryan spirit or something, okey? +Yeah, sure. +--- 14992111 +>>14989452 (OP) +>14 AD +So just after Caesar raped Gaul? What if things were different centuries later? +Also the two main West vs East civil wars were won by the western side. Ausutus and Constantine vs Antony and Licinius +--- 14992117 +>>14992111 +Augustus* +--- 14992230 +>>14989452 (OP) +>14 AD +>GDP map +Should be banable honestly +--- 14992442 +>>14989452 (OP) +firstly this is a meme map +secondly it is based on state income from taxation, +meaning the money the state took from the people, +tying it to per capita living is utterly asinine, +as the average person in Egypt probably lived a far worse life than an average citizen in a +10 000 town anywhere in Spain or Gaul who had all the Roman infrastructure but also a far higher access to protein intake and much less urban squalor. + +Also the colors confuse your monkey brain, +even the meme numbers show fucking swamp ass Belgium as merely 30% poorer Egypt and mere 15% poorer than the other red zones. +--- 14992452 +>>14992442 +> even the meme numbers show fucking swamp ass Belgium as merely 30% poorer Egypt and mere 15% poorer than the other red zones. + +It is also 14AD, which makes it even more hilarious since it is barely over a generation from Roman conquest. + +But yeah, the percentage differences are meager, like comparing Germany to the Netherlands, France or Ireland and taking a laugh +--- 14993083 +>>14990328 +romans were poorer, not roman state. +>>14989790 +whole policy of augustus was based on civilizing snowniggers to stop them from raiding. diff --git a/his/14989578.txt b/his/14989578.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..fe669b0c66286db186dbe3803407cd8c16f49c13 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14989578.txt @@ -0,0 +1,38 @@ +----- +--- 14989578 +Why would anyone watch Youtube video "essays"? They never bring anything new or profound to the table, and are usually only mouthpieces of their authors masqueraded as "analysis". +--- 14989589 +>>14989578 (OP) +So 4chan brings "new" and "profound" things to the table? +--- 14989608 +>>14989589 +Of course it doesn't, but at least you can say nigger here. +--- 14989615 +>>14989608 +How long do you think this site's got left? +--- 14989619 +i guess at first they were a unique idea, especially if it was a subject you were interested in. but now its become "why minions the movie is woke" and its like 9 hours long +--- 14989622 +>>14989615 +I doubt it's going anywhere. 4chan is great for venting. +--- 14989647 +>>14989619 +Those aren't even the worse ones. It's people like "Adam Something" whose videos probably cause the largest amount of damage, since they're thinly veiled propaganda by their author. Youtube doesn't really allow people who watch them to see counter-arguments, and in turn, multiple people suddenly advocate no cars into cities because Youtube man showed pictures of American dystopias. +--- 14989687 +>>14989578 (OP) +normies don't have the free time this userbase has to read books. Essays are just summerization of ideas +--- 14989858 +>>14989578 (OP) +I think I saw a 20 hour video essay about Skyrim a few weeks back +--- 14991090 +>>14989578 (OP) +Very normie of me however I like the video essays about tv shows like victorious etc. I don’t care for those types of shows nor did I watch them growing up but I enjoy it anyways. I guess it’s nice to hear someone autistically rant for an hour or so +--- 14991665 +Sometimes they're comfy, just a guy talking about something halfway interesting for 20-30 minutes. Emp Lemon ones are nice, I like the one on Dale Earnhardt. History videos get obnoxious because 85% of them are literally reading off of Wikipedia. +--- 14991684 +I stopped watching youtube videos about history because it's so hard to find interesting ones. They're great for surface level stuff, but if you actually want to know about a topic there's no point. +There are a few in depth videos but they're so difficult to find and you have to sift through so much crap it's not worth it. +--- 14993460 +>>14989647 +we've been over this +walkable cities are better, but american cities are too joggable to be walkable diff --git a/his/14989595.txt b/his/14989595.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..224c9c783046dad38ee59a078b078f8e0a4138c9 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14989595.txt @@ -0,0 +1,358 @@ +----- +--- 14989595 +Genesis is compatible with evolution, however, the trick is you can't take it literally. It's all allegory. To prove this, simply forget any reference of time when reading the passages. Only look at what is being done. There are stages, and there are also stages in Earth's geological timescale along with its succeeding lifeforms. + +And remember to think about what is being written down in Genesis before making any comments. It's all in there. Trust. +--- 14989598 +>>14989595 (OP) +No, Genesis is not compatible with evolutionism. Evolutionism is vain philosophy which is opposed to God. It is an attempt to reduce man to mere matter in motion, to deny that he is made in God's image. +--- 14989600 +Fuck off retard +--- 14989606 +>>14989595 (OP) +>if I interpret the book the way I want it works! +--- 14989609 +>>14989595 (OP) +Charles Darwin was a Christian. +Francis Bacon who made the inductive scientific method was a Christian. +The one who formulated the big bang theory was a Catholic. +--- 14989614 +>>14989609 +So what +--- 14989616 +Historical literature is really interesting, but this is obsession and religion, often forced on people. +--- 14989621 +>>14989606 +--- 14989628 +>>14989598 +Look up theistic evolution +--- 14989636 +>>14989595 (OP) +Evolution has never been proven nor reproduced it is pretty much atheist mythology. +--- 14989639 +>>14989609 +Okay but did they write at all on their specific opinions of the reality of Genesis? That is the topic of this thread. +--- 14989654 +>>14989606 +I mean, wouldn't you think the Author of this book who came to this earth speaking in parables not leave little parables throughout His own book? Stuff that can be read one way, but, it can be seen in another way despite how it's written. +--- 14989663 +>plants coming before sea creatures +no +--- 14989712 +>>14989595 (OP) +Problem is, if you do that, then you could say I take whatever passage I want and interpret it the way I want. +I can justify the old testament applying that way too and go kill and kill homosexuals. + +Just accept that Evolution Theory is completely retarded. +--- 14989713 +>>14989609 +>They we’re a Christian +In name only. They followed the deceptions of Satan instead of trusting the Bible +--- 14989739 +>>14989609 +Darwin started as a Christian but became agnostic, at most he was philosophically some kind of skeptical theist. He explicitly denied divine revelation and stopped attending church. +--- 14989765 +>>14989595 (OP) +>Genesis is compatible with evolution, however, the trick is you can't take it literally. +everything is compatible if you don't take it literally. It just sounds like you are making excuses for the fallibility of the bible. +--- 14990013 +>>14989654 +>I mean, wouldn't you think the Author of this book who came to this earth speaking in parables not leave little parables throughout His own book? Stuff that can be read one way, but, it can be seen in another way despite how it's written. + +Especially if the verse, chapter, or book correlates or corresponds with what's going on in your life or immediate surroundings. God is trying to tell you something. +--- 14990064 +>>14989595 (OP) +>Genesis is compatible with evolution, however, the trick is you can't take it literally. It's all allegory. To prove this, simply forget any reference of time when reading the passages +I’m gonna stop you right there, you can make any fictional book true if you just pretend it doesn’t mean what it says +Do you not realize you’re doing this? +--- 14990400 +>>14989739 +You can stop attending church and still practice at home retard. He died loving Christ +--- 14990470 +>>14990400 +Well first, wrong. +Second, secularism doesn’t work like a religion with theologians and priesthoods. Even Charles Darwin being religious wouldn’t make that religion true. I was baffled at your angle until I realized you people fundamentally don’t understand how truth, facts and reality work. If a Buddhist came up with the unified theory of physics that would not make Buddhism true. +--- 14990574 +>>14990470 +You're not a true follower of Darwin (ﷺ) +--- 14990588 +>>14989595 (OP) +>oy vey, stop believing in genesis goyim +>there was no fall into sin +>gorrillions of years +>we're heckin space dust +>you share a common ancestry with earth worms +>feminism is just about equality +>communism is good on paper +>morality is relative +>nobody's coming to take your guns +>let me transition your son and daughter with your tax dollars and lock you away if you disagree +--- 14990638 +If you think God works by the same rules as ordinary human's then literal interpretations of the Bible are worthless to providing understanding. Our ability to fulfill a word as its meant in our tangible World compared to the power God has to fulfill that meaning of that word are completely separate. It has nothing to do with interpretation. I don't see why people believe God would be bound by the limitations that humanity has. +--- 14990679 +>>14990588 +>stop believing in genesis +>there was no fall into sin +>gorrillions of years +>we're heckin space dust +>you share a common ancestry with earth worms +All correct. Everything after is political culture war bullshit. If you think conservatism can’t survive in light of a naturalistic explanation of our world then that’s an indictment of your conservatism, not the truth about nature. +--- 14990768 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3_MhrAVQTA [Embed] +--- 14990782 +>>14989609 +Charles Darwin left Christianity and self-identified as an agnostic. +--- 14990805 +>>14990679 +>All correct. +Big bang, life from nonlife, evolutionism, gorillions of years have all been scienticially proven false or impossible. There is still no real explanation for the formation of stars either, it's all just probabilities and theory and fantasy and lashing out to attack people who don't agree like you're doing now because you're an NPC retard. + +Naturalism is a retarded religion for easily controlled NPCs like you, and you can't even explain our existence or anything, so you just attack and lash out and misdirect and go off on irrelevant tangents. Coward. + +>Everything after is political culture war bullshit. +They're not, you're just a Godless naive retard who knows and understand nothing. +--- 14990817 +>>14990782 +He lost faith in his own theory at the end of his life. + +We're still missing all those predicted fossils he said would show up, billions of missing links all over the mythical "tree of life" those evolutionist schizos always make, but people go on believing because the alternative is special creation and that is "unthinkable" (as they put it) to the hedonist gaytheists who literally pushed for fag marriage so gays could adopt and rape kids and they claim that's equal to a normal family. + +Gaytheist idiots actually claim this is "culture war" and not just basic plain truths about God's creation and His designed order which you reject because you love sodomizing yourself or enabling sodomites. +--- 14990945 +>>14990805 +Watching you rage this hard while you don’t even get how stars form is hysterical. Just thoroughly a superstitious peasant lost in the modern world. +--- 14990984 +>>14989595 (OP) +>Plants existed before the Sun +top fucking kek +--- 14990987 +>>14990817 +No, he didn't. Even Answers in Genesis denies that story. +--- 14991000 +>>14990984 +Yes but you see anon, you need to ignore all the part where the Bible is wrong if you want to keep believing the Bible is true. +And no, I as a Christian am not capable of understanding the actual logical reaction to the Bible being wildly incorrect. +--- 14991005 +>>14989663 +Did the sea creatures not eat algae? Are algae not considered primitive plants? + +>>14990984 +Day or sunlight came before algae.. +--- 14991018 +>>14990817 +Jews Niggers, and Muslims fucking suck. I hope a baby literally eats them all. They literally don't see the fussiness of a baby, and are so god damn animalistic they in engage in agonistic behavior. +Anyone caught walking is shot dead. +--- 14991032 +>>14991005 +It’s on no one but Christians to explain why their Bible doesn’t make logical sense to our vastly expanded understanding of reality +If your religion was true this problem literally would not exist. Scientific exploration would confirm genesis in whole, not refute it. +I’m not saying there isn’t a master and creator of the universe, but it sure as hell isn’t any of the characters in the Bible +--- 14991068 +>>14991032 +All you have to do is account for literally every lifeform and you won't have this issue. +--- 14991123 +Even Dr. Michael Brown (who is a Messianic Jew) could actually go both ways with it, via theistic evolution or just the Creation story taken literally. +--- 14991196 +>>14989595 (OP) +First of all Genesis doesn't give out all the details of creation. There are gaps in the timeline of events in Genesis that can factor in evolution. +Second, the narrative in the early parts of Genesis was most likely a criticism of the prevailing creation myths in the Ancient Near East, maybe even suggesting that the Genesis creation is the actual creation narrative that all of the ANE creation myths were based on. +--- 14991200 +>>14990805 +>Big bang, life from nonlife, evolutionism, gorillions of years have all been scienticially proven false or impossible. +Source? +--- 14991216 +>>14991005 +>Day or sunlight came before algae.. +Yeah, it did. So why does the Bible say plants predate the Sun? +--- 14991230 +>>14991196 +There aren't any gaps. The first day is followed by the second day and so on. And if you want to suggest gaps, you have to contend with plants surviving an extended period of time without sunlight. +--- 14991425 +>>14991230 +There may not be gaps, but Genesis 1 is far from the larger picture of creation. Gen. 1 is and always will be a narrative of God establishing order in the universe rather than him creating everything in 7 days, otherwise God's priority in creating light before the Sun would make no sense. +--- 14991440 +>>14989595 (OP) +Well why couldn't we have been planted here by God's will via aliens introducing us here? +--- 14991452 +>On the first day God seperated the light from the darkness +>On the first day God created the fucking sun +>On the first day there was a unit of time called a day before the sun even existed +--- 14991470 +>>14991452 +God doesn’t create the sun until day 3 lol +--- 14991501 +>>14989628 +Read the bible +--- 14991506 +>>14989595 (OP) +People who take genesis literally are loosing on the true wisdom of that story. + +It’s important to remember that genesis is not only what happened fist but what happens first. It’s still happening all the time. Whenever you encounter any situation you forcefully have to go through the patterns described in Genesis. + +For example: you want to make a cup of coffee. First the idea appears in your mind but has no body. No structure. Then you collapse the multiplicity of options into one; decaf, cappuccino, size, sugar etc; now there’s one possible cup. Then you take matter (cup, water, cooffee) and bring it into existence by pulling the divine from above (God animating Adam). Now the cup of coffee exists. It won’t be exactly like the original idea but you don’t trow it away. The same way God didn’t kill Adam and Eve. You drink the coffee accepting its imperfections and you add effort for next time (you sacrifice to the ideal cup your time, attention, etc.) every time you make a cup of coffee you enter a liturgical pattern of creation; of interacting with reality in a cohesive manner. +--- 14991512 +>>14991425 +In the older stories God had to wrestle a big dragon in the ocean of chaos to bring order. Most of the elements like the garden and the fruit are also in the old Greek myths. +--- 14991533 +>>14991470 +So what is le seperate light from dark supposed to fucking mean? +--- 14991605 +>>14991506 +This is like a university course in post hoc rationalization +--- 14991613 +>>14989636 +This +Trust God's word, not fallen men +--- 14991627 +>>14991512 +The concept of establishing order in creation myths has been there since the earliest days of literature. I don't see where the garden and the fruit in Greek creation comment fitting in anywhere in what I said though. Sure, they share similar elements, but one is from a culturally primitive tradition similar to Sumer and Uruk, and the other a newer civilization from the end of the Bronze Age period. It would be more likely that the Biblical or the ANE creation myths were the basis for the Greek creation myths. + +>>14991533 +Order. God separates the two and gives function for the light and dark to exist. +--- 14991628 +>>14991533 +Apparently they thought god lights up the sky during the day and the visible celestial objects are just extra lights in the sky. +We know so much about reality now that it barely makes sense to read how they thought things worked. +--- 14991656 +>>14991605 +You're an idiot. Even from a completely secular perspective the Bible still reflects a big part of the story of how human thought as we know it developed. +The idea of logical causal chains emerged from these kinds of symbolic representations of patterns everyone intuitively recognized. It was refined over time until clear enough to be formalized. +>>14991627 +>fitting in anywhere in what I said +Point is the symbolism being used is part of a wider and older tradition. It's part of a conversation we can barely scratch the surface of. +>It would be more likely that the Biblical or the ANE creation myths were the basis for the Greek creation myths. +I assume both come from older myths. The more universal elements get copied across cultures. Academia was always more international than cultures in general, people really interested in learning are hungry for it and seek it out, they don't stay in their bubbles. +--- 14991671 +>>14991605 +Try not to engage with reality in that manner and see what happens. +--- 14991706 +>>14991452 +>>On the first day there was a unit of time called a day before the sun even existed +That's not a problem. You can still use "day" to mean a 24 hour period even if the Sun didn't exist yet. But the narrative does have numerous problems. +--- 14991724 +>>14991706 +That makes no sense as the jews who wrote this nonsense had no clue what a 24 hour period even was +--- 14991732 +>>14991706 +The day thing is supposed to align with esoteric numerological ideas that the human week is based on. The established norm globally was a base 6 counting system so "completion" was 6. 7 is completion + the additional holy element we can never account for. +--- 14991741 +>>14991732 +The week is based on the historical creation week, which is historical fact because the bible is true +--- 14991750 +>>14991741 +The pattern that makes 6 special is a part of fundamental reality, not derived from anything else so it's defined by God. The 7 day week reflects something non-physical and divine. +--- 14991767 +666 is the number of completion on all planes. The height of human arrogance is thinking the complete system is possible or desirable. +--- 14991782 +>>14991656 +It’s post-hoc rationalization anon. +--- 14991831 +>>14991782 +To sincerely interpret any text you have to explore many alternatives. When coherent information emerges that's a good clue you're on the right track. Dismissing an interpretation because there's a chance you might be projecting to some degree is braindead, it will always be happening to some degree and it's even part of what makes you able to relate to the human writer of the text. It's not a good reason to stop exploring and testing. +You retards don't offer any alternative history of the development of thinking either. Everything you say implies you think human thinking just is, it doesn't come from anywhere and doesn't go anywhere, it's just a static thing that popped into existence 200k years ago with fully formed ideas of formal logic and every complex abstract concept magically implanted into every human. +--- 14991874 +Evolution is completely incompatible with any form of religion and was immediately recognized as such when that drivel was first being churned out. The notion that the eternal, divine form can simply emerge from a more rudimentary creature is not something that can be reconciled with any worldview save materialism. +--- 14991888 +>>14991874 +According to the oldest Christian churches the "image of God" is the gift of subjective experience, a phenomena no materialistic model has or ever can describe. +--- 14991913 +>>14991216 +It doesn't say plants predate the Sun, the Sun is in 1:3-5 when it mentions the first Day. +--- 14991961 +>>14989598 +>It is an attempt to reduce man to mere matter in motion +But that's true though. What do you think you are if not for matter in motion? + +>But explain the soul then +First, prove that we *have* one, and if you're talking about consciousness: if there was no brain, would we be conscious? No? Then consciousness has matter somewhere upstream of its existence. +--- 14992039 +>>14992004 +God created elementary particles aka light on the first day, he made gaseous substances (hydrogen, helium, etc) aka the firmament on the second day, he made stardust aka dry ground on the third day, he made celestial bodies on the fourth day, last but not least he created all lifeforms on the following days. + +ftfm +--- 14992053 +>>14991032 +>obliviously foolish atheist felating himself again +Romans 1:22 always makes me laugh +--- 14992070 +>>14992053 +>foolish atheist +Matthew 5:22 +--- 14992332 +>>14991961 +>But that's true though +Why is roast beef telling me we're matter in motion? I think it's because you know better +>First, prove that we *have* one +Again, why is a robot asking me to prove it has a soul? You know very well what you are, you're lying to yourself +--- 14992571 +>>14992332 +If you want to have an adult debate instead of believing in imaginary friends, you might just wnat to share what's going on in your head there jimmy. You don't want people to think you're crazy now, do you? They might send you to crazy people jail if you can't explain what's going on in your head. +--- 14992593 +>>14992571 +I don't particularly care what delusional sinners think +--- 14992602 +>>14992070 +>nooo don't call me a fool even though scripture explicitly calls atheistrannies fools +Psalms 14:1 and dilate and kys lol +--- 14992613 +>>14989595 (OP) +https://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy +is this an allegory? +--- 14992621 +>>14992613 +Atheists posting gay porn to own the heckin Christcucks +--- 14992636 +>>14992602 +That doesn't tell you to call others fools, cuck. But don't let me interrupt you as you send yourself to hell. Do continue :^) +--- 14992644 +>>14992593 +Then why are you talking to me? +--- 14992649 +>>14992636 +>you can't recite scripture that triggers me because it's offensive or something +Don't ever read what Christ said if that's really how you feel, retarded nigger. +--- 14992660 +>>14992621 +christcucks posting porn of themselves to own themselves +https://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy +--- 14992667 +>>14992644 +To try to wake you up. Get up, dry bones +--- 14992669 +>>14989595 (OP) +God does talk to us in baby talk from time to time, the Bible says so. It's likely this metaphor was a way of explaining complex ideas to ancient people that wouldn't understand it otherwise. +--- 14992679 +>>14992667 +So you do care about what I think. I think in a different manner than yours, and you want me to think like you. You can't 'not care' about what I think and be upset about how I think at the same time. +--- 14992689 +>>14992679 +>So you do care about what I think +No +>I think in a different manner than yours, and you want me to think like you +That's the whole point, you've been thinking like me the whole time. Wake up, dry bones +--- 14992698 +>>14992649 +You didn't "recite scripture", you just called a guy a fool. You will burn in hell forever. +--- 14992709 +>>14992698 +It is no sin to tell the truth +--- 14992722 +>>14992689 +I'm out. Thanks for the talk. +--- 14992731 +>>14992709 +Matthew 5:22 +Enjoy hell, cuck. +--- 14992883 +>>14989609 +Darwin was agnostic anon. +--- 14993142 +>>14991005 +>Did the sea creatures not eat algae? +not necessarily, no +in the beginning* most unicellular life was autotrophic and some ate those +defining them as algae would be wrong but to be fair defining them as "creatures" is also difficult past a certain point +*as far as we currently know +>Are algae not considered primitive plants? +they are plants yes, but primitive is relative +they photosynthesize and produce oxygen which already puts them a few evolutionary generations past other forms of life diff --git a/his/14989764.txt b/his/14989764.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1dc223d462c02d8b547c8915c9190da336ca926a --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14989764.txt @@ -0,0 +1,340 @@ +----- +--- 14989764 +>IS - IS THAT A NEGRO USING THE WHITE WATER FOUNTAIN? I'M GOING INSAAAANE +--- 14989772 +>I am entitled to the things you've created for your own people +>no I will not improve the black drinking fountain, give me free shit now +The sort of mentality jews enable and jews founded the NAACP to agitate and foment riots and unrest +--- 14989777 +>>14989772 +>Force negros to be poor +>Every time the try to improve themselves on their own lynch them and burn their neighborhood cause you are scared of a negro having more money than you +>Negros give up cause they'll never be allowed to advance +>Bitch about negros not doing anything to stop being poor +Yankee inbreeding is indeed a very powerful mind corrupter +--- 14989778 +>>14989772 +>no I will not improve the black drinking fountain, give me free shit now +Doesn't make any sense since it's whoever owns the property providing good water fountains for whites and bad ones for blacks. +--- 14989781 +>>14989764 (OP) +races shouldn't mix. its crazy that only 100 years America was so based to institute segregation +--- 14989785 +>>14989764 (OP) +Just wait until you find out what eurospics did with the cagots, fagot +--- 14989792 +>IS...IS THAT A NEGRO NOT BEING GIVEN ACCESS TO WHITE PEOPLE?!?! I'M GOING INSAAAANE! +--- 14989793 +>>14989785 +That one is a really perplexing case. What the fuck were Cagots?? Should I hate them? +--- 14989794 +>>14989764 (OP) +well, white didn't actually go insane since they would have beaten the dindu to death instead. and rightfully so. +--- 14989798 +>>14989777 +Please list the times negros were lynched and their neighborhoods burned because they built a nicer water fountain. +>>14989778 +And the negro property owners didn't provide good water fountains for the negros, because ??? +--- 14989802 +>>14989798 +>And the negro property owners didn't provide good water fountains for the negros, because ??? +Where was this stated? The point is that if you are, say, a black US serviceman on a military base, or a black US citizen in the downtown area of your city, you have to use a shitty water fountain because of the colour of your skin. Imagine how much you'd seethe if Jews put white people through that kind of daily humiliation ritual. +--- 14989806 +>>14989802 +>colour of your skin +and cranial bone shape +and hematic values +and average IQ +and genotype +--- 14989808 +70 years of constant psyops to destroy society +What exactly is wrong with segregation? Before all the psyops through media people were just fine with it. +--- 14989812 +>>14989806 +And? What relevance does that have? You are the ones who brought black people to your country in chains, a country you specifically established on liberal principles. If you really wanted humane segregation, you could have made an earnest effort, instead of forcing black people to eat shit with little daily humiliations. Spiteful rituals. +--- 14989813 +>>14989808 +segregation is the only way to achieve true diversity +--- 14989820 +>>14989802 + +So don't join the army and use the water fountains in a black business who can build their own water fountains however they like. +--- 14989822 +>>14989812 +I didn't do it and neither did my ancestors. But of course anyone who isn't a nigger has wronged you. +--- 14989825 +>>14989812 +(i am not the guy you were talking about and i am not american) Yes, i think slavery, or rather, bringing nogs into your own homeland, has been a crime against the white people of America and they have been punished for this. So i agree with you on that. They could have partially redeemed themselves through segregation but they failed even at that. America has been a morally bankrupt country for centuries now. +As for the humiliation, it was not for the sake of it. Normal whites are genuinely repulsed by nogs and they unbearable stench. +--- 14989828 +>>14989820 +>So don't join the army +During the Vietnam era they were conscripted at a higher rate than whites. Also now you are holding American patriotism against blacks? +>use the water fountains in a black business who can build their own water fountains however they like +Why build purposely shitty ones for blacks though? +>>14989822 +I'm not black. I don't believe in white guilt either. But this guy is defending segregation and talking about collective responsibility of blacks +--- 14989833 +>>14989802 +>Imagine how much you'd seethe if Jews put white people through that kind of daily humiliation ritual. +it says in the talmud that goyim aren't allowed to eat with a jew or use the same cutlery +--- 14989834 +>>14989833 +OK? And how often do Jews actually enforce that? +--- 14989838 +>>14989828 +There is nothing wrong with segregation if they aren't treated like subhumans. +--- 14989841 +>>14989825 +...As for the Europeans, that's different. Germany never set foot in fucking Ghana or Ivory Coast. and yet, they are full of subsaharan trash over there. Same as scandinavians in the middle east. Or italians in Pakistan. Or spaniards and irish in China. Native Europeans are merely victims of this immigrationist fury enforced on them. +--- 14989846 +>>14989828 + +Why should whites accommodate water fountains for blacks if blacks are incapable of building their own fountains? +--- 14989853 +>>14989846 +There is no evidence for the assertion that blacks couldn't and didn't build their own water fountains. But the government is not representative of just whites, it is meant to serve all US citizens. So why is it providing substandard services to its black citizens? Even those who are serving it in a military capacity? +--- 14989865 +>>14989853 +There were no water fountains built by blacks before they met the whites. +--- 14989872 +>>14989865 +And there was no water fountain built by whites before they met the Romans. +--- 14989874 +>>14989853 + +So if blacks had water fountains that are just as good as the ones whites had, why are you kvetching? The military had be desegregated since 1948. +--- 14989880 +>>14989872 +we wuz +--- 14989882 +>>14989872 +But the Romans were white, you silly Tyrone. Yeah, i know you will just repeat out of your massive cope "le italians are not white" meme. But that's not what genetic analysis says. +--- 14989884 +>>14989874 +You cannot just build water fountains in public spaces. The government has to approve it. You are also ignoring the fact that black people did not own as much property. And they couldn't just earn enough money to do so because they were prevented from working!!! +--- 14989886 +>>14989853 +Blacks are more violent and less intelligent that whites on average. Whites and blacks independent of multiracial nations are observably unequal. Every metric of civilization gets progressively worse the more of them you have. If you had 2 identical cities but one is 70% black but the other one is only 10% black we all know which city would be better to live in. We're intentionally sandbagging ourselves by having to live with a people that will never get right. Saying this simple truth will get you unpersoned and fired from your job too. The Great Replacement and transgenderism will be looked back on as inexplicable barbarism. Historians will struggle to understand why a country spent so much effort to get a weaker working class and inverting traditional moral values. +--- 14989893 +>>14989886 +And petty acts of small segregation helped with this how? They just made blacks resentful. The presence of black people in America is not a conspiracy. They were brought by whitoids. +--- 14989906 +>>14989884 +The worst part about slavery is that it brought blacks to America. We would be much better off without them. Ironically they have it better off than their non enslaved counterparts in West Africa. Whites and blacks should live in separate civilizations though. I support black nationalism and reparations through giving each black person 250,000 dollars and a trip back to their own society. That initial cost would pay for itself several times over throughout the next century. +--- 14989909 +>>14989764 (OP) +>>14989772 +>>14989777 +>>14989778 +>>14989781 +>>14989785 +>>14989792 +>>14989793 +>>14989794 +>>14989798 +>>14989802 +>>14989806 +>>14989808 +>>14989812 +>>14989813 +>>14989820 +>>14989822 +>>14989825 +>>14989828 +>>14989833 +>>14989834 +>>14989838 +>>14989841 +>>14989846 +>>14989853 +>>14989865 +>>14989872 +>>14989874 +>>14989880 +>>14989882 +>>14989884 +>>14989886 +>>14989893 +>>14989906 +I bet you don't know how to build a fountain yourself, alone. +--- 14989914 +>>14989909 +I am not black. I am Australian. +--- 14989918 +>>14989884 + +>a minority doesn't own as much property + +Fascinating +--- 14989919 +>>14989918 +They owned disproportionately less. +--- 14989922 +>>14989909 + +>there has not been a single black plumber, ever, anywhere in history +--- 14989926 +>>14989914 +an Abo worser than a Bantu +--- 14989928 +>>14989922 +>strawmanning this hard +>just be a plumber +based retard +--- 14989929 +>>14989906 +they will take the money can come back after 2 weeks. or they'll go to Europe as their fellow blacks are doing right now. The situation is unfixable, period. I curse everyday the day the first ship of negroes docked. +--- 14989932 +>>14989893 +Linguistic and religious conflict happened in diverse regions of Switzerland. How did they fix it? They separated from each other. Seems like in America the fences weren't high enough if they're experiencing petty acts of small segregation, should have been large acts of big segregation. +--- 14989939 +>>14989893 +Have you ever been in a multiracial school or workplace? Blacks and other minorities tend to self segregate because people generally like being with their own tribe. Whites would be demonized for this behavior and we've been brow beaten into having out-group preference but nevertheless red birds fly with redbirds and bluebirds fly with bluebirds. In majority black cities you find enclaves of white bars, diners and so on. Is that racism? I don't think so. Multiracial cities score lower on just about every metric when compared to ethnically homogenous ones. Whites and Jews brough slaves over on the North Atlantic Slave trade so what now? Segregation would at least cut down on interracial strife. Blacks need whites to parasitize though because they aren't civilization builders. Who built the schools and roads and farms in South Africa? Blacks show up after white people build civilization even in areas where they weren't brought in as slaves. Immigration is almost always a one way street from brown countries to white countries. +--- 14989942 +>>14989928 + +Yes? If you want a better fountain so desperately, learn how to be a plumber? +--- 14989946 +>>14989942 +... or drink from the white people's ones +--- 14989971 +>>14989939 +I know all that. I'm not a multiculturalist. It doesn't change how pathetic and sadistic America's segregation policy was. Also there seem to be strong exceptions to the claim that blacks aren't civilisaiton builders, namely Ethiopia. And Botswana and Gabon don't seem to be doing too poorly. +--- 14989975 +>>14989806 +>>14989939 +. +--- 14989977 +>>14989946 + +Why should you be given access to what white people built? +--- 14989985 +>>14989977 +Why should straights be given access to what gay people built? +--- 14990022 +>>14989977 +i was being ironic. of course they shouldn't. imagine drinking the same water as a black. +--- 14990027 +>>14989985 +>gayness is a race/ethnicity +hahahahahahahahaha +--- 14990030 +>>14990027 +Yes. +--- 14990040 +>>14989985 +you see that pic? a dindu will never be able to achieve it. +--- 14990050 +>>14990040 +What do you think of this ancient Ethiopian Bible anon?> +--- 14990067 +>>14990050 +literally nothing special, embarrassing even comparing that to Michelangelo or Bernini. It was made by syrian monks. Written in greek. And this is how they portrayed people and saints. Sorry you blacks and MENAs are just not good enough to play in the european league. It's crystal clear to anyone having eyes. +--- 14990149 +Goddamn I need to leave this cesspool of a site. Not because you are racist. Not because you are all faggots. And not because you are pedophiles. But because y'all are astronomically retarded to the point where my brain is committing ritual suicide one neuron at a time. You know that way to fight wokisms is not by adopting the polar opposite right? Good ancestors why am I even trying to argue with the Great wall of planned obsolescence +--- 14990177 +>>14990067 +But you worship a MENA man anon. You how to arabs everyday +--- 14990188 +>>14990067 +You know there's plenty of ancient Ethiopian Bibles written in Amharic and portraying black apostles right? Just not that particular one. +--- 14990200 +>>14989798 +Blacks in Birmingham who tried to move into the more affluent areas got their houses bombed. +--- 14990215 +>>14989939 +>Segregation would at least cut down on interracial strife +Of course. Who could forget the peaceful race relations of the 1890s. +--- 14990227 +>>14990188 +“black apostles” they are not black kek. if the average amharic speaking ethiopian is 50% eurasian then they are not black. the apostles displayed here are mixed race. where do you think semitic speaking ethiopians got their language from? the semites they mixed with. they were speaking a cushitic language before this mixing. +--- 14990275 +>>14990227 +You will repeat this cope as many times as you wish, you know deep down it's still cope. Your average Ethiopian would have to drink from the black fountain. +--- 14990292 +>>14990275 +How is it cope? Their genetics won’t change. African Americans literally complain about ethiopians subverting the affirmative action program by identifying as black when many of them do not look black and stealing stops from actual black students. +--- 14990431 +>>14990149 +>y'all +--- 14990444 +>>14989939 +>Who built the schools and roads and farms in South Africa? +Black labor. + +>Blacks show up after white people build civilization +Blacks showed up from where? Whites weren't in South Africa 2,000 years ago. + +>even in areas where they weren't brought in as slaves. +The only place that had slavery was the Dutch Cape Colony. +--- 14990536 +>>14990149 +You lost the plot the moment you started to seethe about muh hecking wokeism +--- 14990541 +>>14989764 (OP) +>>IS - IS THAT A NEGRO USING THE WHITE WATER FOUNTAIN? I'M GOING INSAAAANE +--- 14990558 +>>14989777 +Where SHOULD blacks be? if there were no racism, where would they be economically? +the same as Whites? Why? +--- 14990566 +>>14989975 +>hair color is a race +--- 14990577 +>>14990227 +>>14990275 +>>14990292 +haha yea, 50% Eurasian = not black, now lets see the DNA results for afro americans +--- 14990581 +>>14990541 +based +--- 14991820 +>>14990577 +>they're not le niggers! +>still treats them like niggers +Meaningless babble +--- 14991830 +>>14990577 +the avg AA is 20% white. the average semitic speaking habesha is 50% eurasian. anyone can see the difference. even AAs themselves see the difference and don’t want habeshas using affirmative action. do you disagree with AAs? +--- 14991852 +>>14989764 (OP) +>IS - IS THAT A NEGRO USING THE WHITE WATER FOUNTAIN? I'M GOING INSAAAANE +--- 14991860 +>>14989764 (OP) +>nigger spits his chewing gum into the fountain then blows his nose into it + +Fuck outta here raciss whyte boi +--- 14992653 +>>14989764 (OP) +What if a private business wants to provide drinking water to all people regardless of race? Would that be allowed or is he legally required to have "whites only" and "blacks only" fountains? +--- 14992771 +>>14991830 +>ethiopians are white now +--- 14992792 +>>14992653 +High risk of getting set on fire by an angry mob +--- 14992868 +>>14989772 +If it was a private place the the owner should be allowed to say who drinks from it, but many of this were public parks paid for by the state therefore they should have never been segregated, jim crow laws extended far beyond private places. With all of that said it seems incredibly petty to restrict who can drink from a freaking water fountain , public or otherwise. +--- 14994337 +>>14989764 (OP) +It's GEM +--- 14994415 +>>14992868 +Why shouldn't private businesses be able to discriminate by race? +--- 14994440 +>>14994415 +I just literally said they should be able to but that public establishment (such as parks which are government mamaged) should not be able to. Like I said regardless if the situation it seems stupid to limit who can use a water fountain, even if the owner can it seems dumb to restrict it. +--- 14994459 +>>14989764 (OP) +Yesterday the were drinking from the whites only fountain. Today they are burning down cities. Slippery slope is not a fallacy and anyone who says that it is either has shit for brains or is a lying worm. +--- 14994470 +>>14989764 (OP) +Jim Crow was petty and vile, but -- as with the ban on faggot marriage and disapproval of faggot everything else -- once it was gone, you see what it was intended to prevent. +--- 14994477 +>>14994470 +Traditions are the solutions to problems we don't remember. +--- 14994821 +>>14989798 +Tulsa Massacre. diff --git a/his/14989810.txt b/his/14989810.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..620a3b484deafb4b490800c2e839c35f18a53eac --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14989810.txt @@ -0,0 +1,397 @@ +----- +--- 14989810 +So what is the final verdict over this people? The actuall last survivors of the proud scythian people, or just a bunch of Caucasoids LARPers that somehow took a iranic language? + +I want the opinion of the learned scholars of /his/ over this subject. +--- 14989814 +>>14989810 (OP) +they call themselves aryan at least, but imo, the actual scythians are the udmurts, mostly cause of the red hair +--- 14989848 +>>14989814 +>"In the course of history, Russian-speakers have referred to them as Chud Otyatskaya (чyдь oтяцкaя)" +>Chud +Kek, really the ideal /his/ tribe +--- 14989867 +>>14989814 +>an uralic ethnic group from the urals with y dna N1c is ackshually this indo-iranian ethnic group +>why? +>muh red hair +--- 14989871 +>>14989867 +>>why? +>>muh red hair +exactly +--- 14989873 +>>14989814 +>the actual scythians are the uralics +--- 14989875 +Confused georgians +--- 14989878 +Caucasians. They aren't Scythian genetically. I don't think even their paternal lines are Scythian. Aren't they mostly J2 or something? +--- 14989879 +>>14989873 +there are no other high concentration reda hair population near the original location of historic scythian, so that's why +> +> +> +sad +--- 14989887 +>>14989879 +>different ancestry +>different language +>different Y-DNA +>bro, they are Scythians +Yes, this is the high level of discourse I expected from /his/. +--- 14989890 +>>14989887 +ok, find me some other red haired population near the historic area of scythians +--- 14989894 +>>14989890 +Scythians were mostly blond or brown haired. +--- 14989895 +>>14989814 +Most scythians were brown and black haired +--- 14989896 +>>14989894 +>>14989895 +not according to the soruces compiled by wikipedia +--- 14989897 +>>14989890 +ok, find me evidence Udmurts spoke Indo-European at any point +--- 14989898 +>>14989810 (OP) +>The actuall last survivors of the proud scythian people +No, there are no survivors of the Scythians. Even if they were genetic remnants they would still not be Scythians. +--- 14989902 +>>14989896 +Ancient people called brown hair red. +--- 14989903 +>>14989897 +I don't need to, a population can change their language, easily +--- 14989905 +>>14989902 +>source: my asshole +--- 14989907 +>>14989903 +And their ancestry, and their Y-DNA. +--- 14989912 +>>14989907 +correct, but if they magically keep one of the most rare hair colors, easily washed away, if they keep that near to the historic area near a historic population, that might give you a hint of what happened +you know the best part? I know you know I'm right that's the best part + +btw, no moar (You)s 4(Jew) +--- 14989913 +>>14989878 +They are indeed mostly patgernal caucasian, while their mathernal genetics are more akin to iranics +--- 14989916 +>>14989912 +>correct +It's not correct. Are you braindead? They are genetically different people, how can they be descendants of Scythians? Because 10% of them have red hair? +--- 14989920 +>>14989903 +>I don't need to, +lol, it is over +--- 14989925 +>>14989896 +But according to genetic samples +--- 14989930 +>>14989925 +there's 3 scythain mummies with hair that I know of, one is blonde and the other is brownish, and the other mostly red haired +I'll let you find them +--- 14989934 +>>14989902 +This. +>>14989905 +Thracians, Scythians, Slavs, Germanics, Celts were called red haired. That contradicts genetic studies (and logic). +--- 14989940 +>>14989930 +https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2205272119 +There are two scytho-sarmatians, both are brown eyed and dark haired +--- 14989941 +>>14989934 +oh, better go correct the wikipedia sources then +hah +--- 14989945 +>they wuz brown liek me reeeeee the wuz brown reeeee reeeee +every thread about aryans on /his/ ever +damn these jews don't even sleep, F +--- 14989951 +>>14989898 +Tajiks and Afghans +--- 14989952 +>>14989940 +And one of them is olive skinned lol +--- 14989954 +>>14989945 +Red hair is a very rare mutation. There's simply no way that ancient Europe was full of red haired people that completely disappeared. We have ancient samples, red hair is very rare in them. Brown and light brown hair is common in all the groups called red-haired by the ancients. +--- 14989955 +>>14989951 +What about them? They are Tajiks and Afghans. + +Mutted peoples with no connection to the ancient culture. +--- 14989959 +>>14989951 +Persia was founded by some kind of steppe people in origin, right? +--- 14989965 +>>14989945 +tiresome +--- 14989966 +>>14989955 +Some Tajiks genetically resemble Sogdians. Or rather, there's little change between Iron Age samples and them. +I don't think we have actual Sogdian samples. +--- 14989982 +>>14989966 +>some +>resemble + +Ok, they still aren't anything other than Tajiks +--- 14989986 +>>14989982 +>he present Indo-Iranian populations from Central Asia display a strong genetic continuity with Iron Age samples from Turkmenistan and Tajikistan. We model Yaghnobis as a mixture of 93% Iron Age individual from Turkmenistan and 7% from Baikal. For the Tajiks, we observe a higher Baikal ancestry and an additional admixture event with a South Asian population. Our results, therefore, suggest that in addition to a complex history, Central Asia shows a remarkable genetic continuity since the Iron Age, with only limited gene flow. +--- 14990034 +>>14989810 (OP) +Ossetians resemble caucasian alanic samples, jasz people resemble european alanic samples, bashkir turks are closest to eastern european and central asian scythian samples, moldovans are closest to european sarmatian samples; digor ossetians closely resemble some of the latter samples +--- 14990535 +>>14989878 +G2a, but directly followed by r1a-z93 +--- 14990543 +>>14989814 +Red hair is an Ashkenazi trait +--- 14990545 +>>14989941 +Kek +--- 14990556 +>>14990543 +that's an interesting rabbit hole for sure +--- 14991048 +what happened, did the rabbi called you all for some kind of prayer in the sinagogue? +You MUST complete your job, you must make sure we understand that everyone related to those blonde mummies was brown +--- 14991064 +>>14989810 (OP) +looks like my dad's side cousin. I am turkish btw +--- 14991070 +>>14991064 +there's plenty of arab depiction of arabs with very fair features, it's kind of a mindfuck. +I know an algerian girl with beautiful and radiant blue eyes, she has black hair but pale skin +--- 14991319 +joomies, get to work, it's not sabath yet +--- 14991448 +>>14989810 (OP) +They are Iranic Sythians who were yellowed by Turks, but then bleached by Russians +--- 14991459 +>>14990543 +>>14989814 +The red hair is mostly because of inbreeding, red hair is plummeting across Europe and even in areas without much immigration like the country side of Ireland, it is being bred out because more social mobility means less cousin fucking and more dominant genes becoming dominant once more. +--- 14991475 +>>14991459 +no shit sherlock +--- 14991492 +>>14989902 +>>14989954 +Maybe red hair just happened to be more common among those populations? Similar to how Irish are associated with having red hair even though the majority of them don't actually have red hair. +--- 14991825 +>>14989810 (OP) +Larper in a larp costume because they have no history and learnt to read and write in the 20th century +--- 14991843 +>>14989902 +>Saĝ-gígi hands wrote this post +--- 14991873 +>>14989810 (OP) +>Caucasoids LARPers that somehow took a iranic language? +The Skoloti were whites that spoke Iranic, so real deal. +--- 14991891 +Basically alanized circassians who survived by hiding in the mountains from turks/mongols +--- 14991915 +>>14989878 +>Scythian genetically +Bunch of mutts. +--- 14992076 +>>14991448 +>>14991891 +Scythians were huge mutts already anyways +--- 14992081 +They are less related to scythians than literally everyone else in the north caucasus + +They are confused georgians +--- 14992101 +>>14992081 +t. gogi mutt +--- 14992127 +>>14992081 +Are we going to pretend this mutt confederation was homogeneous? + +Distance to: Scythian_UKR +0.05091140 Moldovan_o +0.05172417 Moksha +0.05357503 Erzya +0.05756739 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia +0.05848548 Russian_Ryazan + +Distance to: Scythian_RUS_Urals +0.05322550 Bashkir +0.07747167 Tatar_Siberian +0.08048528 Tatar_Crimean_steppe +0.08459161 Uzbek +0.08980191 Tatar_Lipka + +Distance to: Scythian_MDA_o +0.03472981 Swedish +0.03578435 Norwegian +0.03623313 Danish +0.03973275 German_Hamburg +0.04014302 Icelandic + +Distance to: Scythian_MDA +0.03201682 Greek_Thessaly +0.03250624 Greek_Central_Macedonia +0.03254756 Swiss_Italian +0.03289433 Rumelia_East +0.03386152 Albanian + +Distance to: Scythian_HUN +0.02252488 Austrian +0.02627514 German_Erlangen +0.02715541 Slovenian +0.02732899 Hungarian +0.02759298 Croatian +--- 14992139 +I don't understand why this guy is still posting the distance to's? His source has already been deconstructed a thousand times. +--- 14992146 +>>14992127 +>cherrypics +just checked a bunch of samples, they mostly cluster with ukraninans +with some italians and mongolians +pretty homogeneous, they had slaves, and buried those in kurgans next to the chief, which is probably what those italians and mongolians are +--- 14992158 +>>14992139 +joomers gonna joom, it's his job, and if it's a janny kinda golem (doing it for free) then whew +why are there so many joomers and golems on /his/? +--- 14992163 +>>14992146 +They don't. Scythians, Sarmatians, Western steppe IA cluster with Volga Turkic and Uralic populations. +--- 14992166 +>>14992139 +you're right I was gonna debunk this retard for the #393993th time, but then I realized he already knows he is lying +--- 14992168 +>>14992146 +Most scythians cluster somewhere in between the north caucasus/tajikstan and northern europe (finland/sweden/baltics). +That is by extent closer to literally all north caucasians than to ossetian larp larps +>>14992101 +You will always be georgian, Sarmat. +--- 14992172 +>>14992127 +>Scythian_UKR +Not homogeneous. The real Scythians are closest to Uralics/Turkics + +>Urals +Real Scythians + +>MDA_o +Some Germanic. + +>MDA +Dacians + +>HUN +Locals, some kind of Celts. +--- 14992186 +>>14992168 +You are closer to a monkey than human niggershvili +>Verification not required. +--- 14992242 +>>14990543 +ahh yes all those celts who have the highest occurrence of red hair are actually Jews! stfu stupid nigger +--- 14992251 +>>14992166 +Right, I just thought maybe it was a running joke maybe? It's not very funny if so +--- 14992265 +>>14992251 +like I said before, I just hope for his own sake that this is actually his job +--- 14992616 +>>14992186 +>niggershvili +Jej +--- 14992721 +>>14989810 (OP) +Now someone post the two based ossetian girls vs the jew so we can have a closure. +--- 14992797 +>>14992721 +i was the guy that asked for it last time, here you go.(they dont look armenian btw) +--- 14992820 +>>14992797 +Based would breed as is +--- 14992918 +>>14992797 +>dark brown hair +>swarthy skin +>brown eyes +yeah, Aryan +--- 14993050 +>>14992918 +Yup 100%, that's why the brownoid said pure, not cum skin rape baby +--- 14993780 +>>14992918 +Ossetians are admixed with northern caucasian. Northern Caucasians are closer to Middle Easterners than to Europeans. Their Alan ancestors on the other hand are often described by ancient writers as having fair features, e.g. red or yellow hair. +--- 14993818 +>>14993780 +By the same metric their Alan ancestors are genetically more related to Middle Easterners than to Europeans. Don't blame retard I'm just pointing out the lack of logic in your post. +--- 14993983 +>>14993818 +At least my post is coherent, your 'rebuttle' doesn't even make sense. Alans spoke an Iranic language, that doesn't necessarily mean they were closer to Middle Eastern populations genetically. The PCA charts I've seen put Alans closer to modern East Slavs than to Persians. +--- 14994108 +>>14989867 +>doesnt know what a haplogroup is +>thinks language = genes +sounds like /his/. +--- 14994132 +>>14992797 +white ossetian girl larping as an aryan while discussing with a white ashkenazi jew about white germans who larped as aryans in the past + +clown world + +Distance to: Ossetian +0.12398977 Ashkenazi_Germany +0.16934864 German +0.19819573 Corded_Ware_POL_early + +Distance to: German +0.13102236 Ashkenazi_Germany +0.14711129 Corded_Ware_POL_early +0.16934864 Ossetian + +Distance to: Ashkenazi_Germany +0.12398977 Ossetian +0.13102236 German +0.23480776 Corded_Ware_POL_early +--- 14994142 +>>14993983 +>>14993818 +the specific type of Scythian Ossetians claim descent to was genetically similar to modern day volga tatars, they were in between modern uralics (Finns, Udmurts, Samis), modern Tajiks (primordialy pamiris) , Modern North caucasians (mostly Dagestanis) and Modern Scandinavians (particulary icelandics and swedes) + +that said, North ossetians are the north caucasians least related to Scythians of the whole bunch +--- 14994161 +north ossetians are literally the least "scythian" caucasians + +Distance to: Swedish +0.15120512 Dagestan_Kaitag_Dargin +0.15245903 Andian_Dagestan +0.15328731 Italian_Calabria +0.15613142 Dagestani_Avar +0.15681749 Dagestani_Dargin +0.15836035 Ashkenazi_Germany +0.16403625 Circassian_Cherkes +0.16459884 Tajik_Pamiri_Rushan +0.16542053 Chechen +0.17556358 Sephardic_Jew +0.17943790 Saami +0.18005063 North_Ossetian +0.19982487 Syrian +0.22140946 Iranian_Bandari +0.25422302 Egyptian +0.27195006 Saudi +--- 14994761 +>>14992797 +it's better with sound +--- 14994770 +>>14992797 +I love her facial expressions and how confident she is, and she actually knows what she is talking about. This is a keeper to wife up here boys diff --git a/his/14989824.txt b/his/14989824.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5e217a564923660140c286f594c5ecf65d6461e3 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14989824.txt @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +----- +--- 14989824 +>search "how Mao won" on Youtube +>expect some long and detailed video essay about the chinese civil war +>search results: irrelevant videos, obscure videos with less than 10k views and biased copium videos about how the CPC didn't actually win, the KMT just lost + +what gives? +--- 14989827 +You're a fucking retard with ADHD and the YouTube algorithm has picked up on it. +--- 14989830 +>>14989827 +considering I'm getting 1-hour long videos on the Great Leap Forward, I doubt that +--- 14989836 +>>14989824 (OP) +How he won: he hid out in Pu’nan while the KMT did the heavy work. There, saved you two hours. +--- 14989843 +>>14989836 +so Mao staged one of the greatest and most famous strategic comebacks of all time just by hiding? +sounds legit +--- 14989877 +Military history of China in the early 20th is embarrassing, not even Arabs have such scale of shameful displays +--- 14989881 +>>14989824 (OP) +literally read "Little Red Book", and I am not even a communist +--- 14989888 +>>14989881 +tl;dr, +Mao literally larped as a forest people during civil war. He hid in forests and caves, suddenly emerged when there were low amount of soldiers and ran away into wilderness when an actual army came. He recruited some young men trying to have fun and he immediately occupied avaliable villages to form some sort of model government and get supplies. +--- 14989924 +>>14989824 (OP) +He "won" by waiting for the Soviets to take over Manchuria and hand it over to him. /thread +--- 14989927 +>>14989843 +Yes, see>>14989888 +He hid the entire time while everyone else was fighting each other and then took charge when everything was done. +--- 14991061 +>>14989927 +The 1st NEET commander +--- 14991112 +>>14989888 +>nooooo waaaaaah you can’t just sit back and wait as your incompetent enemies destroy each other +Cope +--- 14991120 +>>14989824 (OP) +This one’s pretty good +https://youtu.be/g7XkFaGFxLo [Embed] +--- 14991622 +The communists fought a low intensity guerilla war while Chiang's Central Army, the one he had working to build for like a decade, got wiped out in a year, his power base got taken by the Japanese, and he was forced to build a new army and a new power base. His good soldiers died en masse to the Japanese, and when it was time to fight the Communists he was in a shit position. I can link a dissertation about the central army if you want, it's long as fuck but you'd really only be interested in a chapter or two. +--- 14992140 +>>14989824 (OP) +Mao was a syphilis ridden and self absorbed idiot that took his country to the very brink of collapse for vanity reasons +--- 14992840 +>>14989888 +>He hid in forests and caves, suddenly emerged when there were low amount of soldiers and ran away into wilderness when an actual army came. +That's the genius of it. When you're outnumbered and gonna lose, you don't fight. When the enemy is sleeping and has left an isolated outpost and you can mass your own dudes, you launch a surprise and destroy them and take their stuff: + +https://youtu.be/yADSY-0chyk?t=3564 [Embed] +--- 14992858 +>>14992840 +braindead +>>14989824 (OP) +Because Stalin won the civil war for Mao +--- 14992926 +>Chiang goes to war with Communists +>West doesn't support him +>Chiang loses +>West loses its mind +--- 14993234 +>>14989824 (OP) +Map won because of the Soviet Union. It conquered all of northern China and Manchuria at the end of summer 1945, and this all went to Mao’s people. With this position of strength they conquered the rest of China +--- 14993638 +>>14991622 +Link to the dissertation? +--- 14993669 +>>14992858 +>Choosing your battles wisely is… le bad! +--- 14993674 +>>14991112 +nobody said any of these, take meds immediately +--- 14993698 +>>14992858 +>Because Stalin won the civil war for Mao +Stalin supported the Nationalists until the CCP walked into Nanjing lmao +--- 14993712 +>>14992926 +>casually forgets Chiang's retard levels of corruption and how bad the infighting was in the KMT which led to the US slowly stopping their support for them +Vinegar Joe called it yet /his/lets just push it aside +--- 14993937 +>>14993712 +I'm not forgetting. It's the case that they could either support the corrupt KMT shitshow, or nothing at all. If they genuinely didn't want China to fall to the communists, then in hindsight, it was a poor decision. Though people probably didn't want to send people and money to China after the biggest war in recorded history. +>>14993638 +Here, hopefully its open access +https://www.proquest.com/docview/303334968/fulltextPDF/E0CBBDD7C634087PQ/1?accountid=4485 +--- 14994848 +>>14993937 +Has an Arizona U login, looks like its paywalled +--- 14994857 +>>14993698 +>Sending a very small amount of aid to stop the Japanese genocide of the Chinese is siding with the nationalists! +literally braindead diff --git a/his/14989938.txt b/his/14989938.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..276d84d38b6eb5f24dfb12f131fbe9833625f356 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14989938.txt @@ -0,0 +1,385 @@ +----- +--- 14989938 +Do leftists think "ACAB" applies to these guys? +--- 14989996 +>>14989938 (OP) +You're talking about people labeling as bootlicker anyone who supports a state they define capitalistic only to bend over to their own party and any requests that may come from it. + +Because there's no way a state with a different name could behave like the evil capitalistic one, absolutely can't happen. +--- 14990000 +>Do leftists think +no +--- 14990028 +Yes,actually. Red cops are still bad,retard. +--- 14990032 +>>14990028 +I thought cops were only bad insofar as they defend private property and capital..? +--- 14990033 +>>14989938 (OP) +>Do leftists +Liberals. Big difference. + +Leftists actually believe in the state. +--- 14990093 +>>14989938 (OP) +The ones who say acab do, yes. +--- 14990110 +>anon confuses american liberals for leftists occurrence #57290 +--- 14990119 +>>14989938 (OP) +>Police +>enforces private property and maintains capitalism, engages in random acts of violence +>enemy of the proletariat + +>People's Militia +>protects state and personal property from bourgeois and lumpens +>proletarian +--- 14990121 +>>14989938 (OP) +Depends on the Leftist +Anarchists? Yeah, they're annoying but at least they're consistent in being anti-state and shit. +Marxists? They'll write a whole fucking book explaining how "um AKTSCHUALLY the PEOPLE'S POPULAR LIBERATION police is not the same as the fascist liberal capitalist police because uhh ummm they're not the same" +Moderate center-lefts, at least the ones in Europe (e.g. SPD in Germany) at least acknowledge that Soviet style police were oppressive agents and they advocate for the type of policing we have in modern Europe today (i.e a lot less violent and more chilled out, unless you're France) +--- 14990126 +>>14990033 +>>14990110 +>Nnnnooooo all the cringe ones are actually LIBERALS! +Lmao stfu dude, ACAB was invented by Marxist labour unions in the UK all the way back in the 1920s and 1930s. Anarchist groups also use it. +I repeat, "ACAB" is literally a communist labour union slogan, they invented it. +--- 14990128 +>>14990121 +>hecking moderate leftists +(liberals) +--- 14990131 +>>14990126 +This. Liberals RESPECT our officer.s +--- 14990137 +>>14990128 +You can keep using liberal as an insult, but ain't nobody on this planet who seriously thinks the Soviet Union was a better society than Finland or the Bundesrepublik lmao +--- 14990156 +>>14989938 (OP) +What the fuck is acab +--- 14990172 +>>14990032 +see, I'm such a simpleton that I figured the average leftist hates cops merely because of le niggerinos and abuse of power +--- 14990187 +>>14990126 +this is your brain on american self centeredness +--- 14990192 +>>14989938 (OP) +Yes. What part of "all" is not definitive? +--- 14990201 +>>14989996 +Well I mean communism is inherently good because equality and I learned in my public education school that equality is the greatest virtue. +--- 14990207 +>>14990187 +>American self centeredness +>American +I'm European, you halfwit. That's exactly why I know ACAB comes from Europe. +I can't tell if this is funny or sad, do Zoomers seriously think *everything* is American nowadays? I give it a year before I see people claim that Kropotkin was also an American. +--- 14990220 +>>14990207 +ive never fucking heard anyone here unironically say "ACAB" and im literally a member of our communist party +what kind of fucking cretins do you hang out with +--- 14990228 +>>14990126 +/pol/tranny cope +--- 14990282 +>>14990172 +but even in countries were there are no blacks, leftists don’t like cops +--- 14990339 +>>14990220 +What country are you from, England? The most militant left wingers in France, Germany, Greece, Italy, and Spain are all openly and loudly anti-cop. +--- 14990344 +>>14990282 +Cops ARE niggers. They're violent impulsive retards who get paid by the government to do so. Just like niggers. +--- 14990353 +>>14990220 +>Is a communist +>Doesn't hate cops in a capitalist society +The one hanging out with cretins here is you bro. The ACAB crowd is ideologically consistent and inline with what every Marxist revolutionary group espoused before they took power in their respective countries. +Erich Mielke, the head of the Stasi in East Germany and long time KPD militant, literally made his fame by assassinating Policemen in the Weimar Republic era. +--- 14990372 +>>14990353 +What's the point of bearing personal animosity to people in the system? +--- 14990391 +>>14990353 +>Erich Mielke, the head of the Stasi in East Germany and long time KPD militant, literally made his fame by assassinating Policemen in the Weimar Republic era. + +And this type of terroristic vengeful bullshit is why commies deserve execution. +--- 14990394 +>>14989938 (OP) +leftists are completely incoherent on cops, anarchists hate all cops which devolves all justice into vigilante lynch mobs and the authoritarian leftists (marxist-leninists) just want red cops and attach themselves to the anarchist rhetoric to desperately grab support despite not believing it + +so the tldr is that they have no real actionable opinion on cops that could ever be implemented in the real world, so its left to gay neolib policy wonks to give a trillion billion more dollars to social programs which have never actually worked and just pray that retarded criminals dont be retarded criminals + +>inb4 but crime has gone down! +yeah, probably because policing is more effective and cctv exists +--- 14990398 +>>14990344 +based department called, it's for you +--- 14990399 +>>14990353 +>>14990339 +>>14990220 +>>14990207 +This shit cracks me up. Europeans online have become so obsessed with labelling everything they disagree with as "American" that they'll straight up forget their own history or ignore their own society lmao. +You see this shit all the time on this website. Right Wing Euros on /pol/ accuse the fucking USA of inventing Atheism and Homosexuality, nevermind that everyone in the real-world European Union actually thinks the USA is an overly religious and conservative society. Then you have the Left Wing Euros on Reddit who will insist that the idea of Race never existed in Europe and it's all American inventions, completely ignoring that people like Voltaire, Hume, Kant, Hegel, etc. all refer to "Race" or that the terms Caucasian and Negroid were invented by German anthropologists. +I won't even be surprised if I see some Frenchman claim that Simone de Beauvoir was American because he finds her too "woke" for his tastes, or if a German Commie claims that anti-Semitism was invented by Henry Ford because Big Bad Americans are the root of all Right Wing Reaction. +--- 14990403 +>>14990353 +this is what i mean by incoherance. functionally acab, but the second they have power they just recreate red cops. which is fine since thats what fascists say they want to do, but at least fascists dont cope by attacking the institution of organised crime fighting the same way leftoids do +--- 14990407 +>>14990394 +>, so its left to gay neolib policy wonks to give a trillion billion more dollars to social programs which have never actually worked and just pray that retarded criminals dont be retarded criminals + +I think reforming the police could help. + +American cops are pretty hastily trained compared to other countries. + +Also, you don't have a jeandarmerie equivalent, that's there to actually beat the shit out of people, without raising animosity towards regular cops. +--- 14990410 +>>14990372 +Traditionally, most Marxists view Policemen as class-traitors. +This isn't some obscure knowledge digga, that's literally what public propaganda posters say lol. +--- 14990414 +>>14990407 +watch le wire +--- 14990416 +>>14990399 +>hen you have the Left Wing Euros on Reddit who will insist that the idea of Race never existed in Europe and it's all American inventions + +Leftists are retarded, but yes, race hasn't really been the main self-identification thing in Europe. + +Over here, we hate each other over ethnicity, and immigrants are just some more ethnicities to hate/be chill with. +--- 14990420 +>>14990403 +Yah it's obviously hypocritical bullshit on their part. Same way they espouse pacifism while the DDR's (East Germany) education system was even more militarized than the West and being a conscientious objector in the DDR meant that they'd ruin your life and blacklist you from university or any good career. +--- 14990430 +>>14990416 +>but yes, race hasn't really been the main self-identification thing in Europe. +>Over here, we hate each other over ethnicity, +But that's the thing, Ethnicity was treated as Race in Europe. This distinction is a purely post-war thing. The Nazis called the Slavs another race and treated them as such. +Aside from that, Europeans absolutely did have a concept of "white race" and "black race". Part of the reason why the French used Africans to occupy the Rhineland was exactly to purposefully humiliate the Germans, while the Germans were especially offended because they were being occupied by "inferiorers" and not equal white men. +Furthermore, during the Boxer Uprising, the Kaiser Wilhelm II straight up espoused Yellow Peril rhetoric and talked about Whites uniting against Yellows (Asians). +--- 14990434 +>>14990416 +i really really hate this discourse because whilst its true there's more distinction between white races in Europe that doesn't mean that "white" is an American fucking thing. everyone in Europe knows what white means and we use white constantly to refer to Europeans. and obviously race is extremely important, since no one cares about ukrainian refugees despite the migrant crisis from syria mindbreaking most of western europe to be more reactionary +t. brit + +>>14990420 +i dont get why they cant just say the police will act to preserve the state they exist in and enforce the laws. this is bad for communists so they are antagonists to a communist movement but obviously the police will still exist after the revolution. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49Lfc_QmoGQ&t=49s&ab_channel=Xexizy [Embed] + +this is a good video, its an elaborate cope by an influential online leftist, that the tldr is just: we want red cops but are too afraid to say it +--- 14990437 +>>14990430 +> French used Africans to occupy the Rhineland was exactly to purposefully humiliate the Germans +this did not happen and the french went to extensive lengths to prevent mingling of colonial troops with locals +--- 14990464 +>>14989938 (OP) +Anybody unironically saying ACAB is retarded and shouldn’t be considered truly leftist. I’m sick of these anarchists and libshits acting like the face of our movement when all they do is bitch about "the culture war” and "LGBT rights”. Real leftist are trying to make life bette for the economic lower class and poor, not yell and scream about how mentally ill faggots should be allowed to read to children. +--- 14990471 +>>14989938 (OP) +Every single ACAB abolish prisons leftist wants people jailed for 5 years for misgendering them. There is no exception to this. +--- 14990480 +>>14990437 +Well whether the French intended it or not, the German population was absolutely outraged and angered by the presence of Senegalese troops and 500+ mixed kids were born. +--- 14990485 +>>14990434 +>everyone in Europe knows what white means and we use white constantly to refer to Europeans. +No, your asses do in Britanistan. + +>and obviously race is extremely important, since no one cares about ukrainian refugees despite the migrant crisis from syria mindbreaking most of western europe to be more reactionary + +No, we care about them because half the continent hates Russia, and ukrainians are literally checking every thing right-wingers said they would agree to, in order to receive refugees(similar culture, women and children, employable, non-violent, don't self-ghettoize, etc.) + +If Russia started a war in Tatarstan, somehow, they would get the same treatment as Ukraine. +--- 14990486 +>>14990464 +>No true Leftist +See >>14990464 +Communists have always seen the Police force as a tool of the Bourgeoisie state to crush opposition and protect private property. This is literally Orthodox Marxism, it's not "culture war LGBT bullshit". +--- 14990490 +>>14990485 +>>everyone in Europe knows what white means and we use white constantly to refer to Europeans. +>No, your asses do in Britanistan. +He's correct though. Even in fucking Iceland, they specifically requested to the US government to not station any black troops there, but they were fine with white Americans. +--- 14990511 +>>14990490 +I don't know, man, i'm from Romania, and we've literally never used white in any news article. + +The fringe woke retards we have literally had to invent words, to translate "whiteness" as a concept. + +Even our famous hate against gypsies is against them as an ethnicity. +Legit indians, even those that come here, are seen as pretty ok people. +--- 14990573 +>>14990511 +>Romania +Well to be blunt, the "core EU" is generally used as the standard for European norms and culture. France + BeNeLux + Germany + Italy. In these countries there 100% is a "White race" idea for well over 100+ years now. Italian propaganda posters in WW2 were stoking fears of black savages raping white women for a reason (also Balotelli has mentioned anti-black racism as being part of his whole life growing up in Italy) +--- 14990602 +>>14990573 +>Italian propaganda posters in WW2 were stoking fears of black savages raping white women for a reason (also Balotelli has mentioned anti-black racism as being part of his whole life growing up in Italy) + +I think it was more "the american blacks, which are known to be pretty barbaric will rape the locals" than a statement on racial conciousness. + +>also Balotelli has mentioned anti-black racism as being part of his whole life growing up in Italy + +Again, just one more ethnic group to hate. +They used to shit on us, too, until recently. +--- 14990653 +>>14990410 +They should become aware of a concept called 'desiring under a description'. Policemen don't join the police force desiring to 'betray their class'. They join the force under the 'false consciousness' of thinking they are going to serve their communities and bring their families money. +--- 14990656 +>>14990486 +Yeah Marx hated the police so much that every single state created using his ideals is infamous for its police force. He said that under a capitalist regime, the police are often a tool of oppression, but he never calls for their dismantlement. The police are not part of the upper class and can support the struggle as much as anyone else. They are often tools just as the factory workers are, but that doesn’t mean Marx hated factory workers. +--- 14990657 +>>14990028 +Wow anon, OP made a simple question. There's no need to reply in such an aggressive manner. Is everything ok at home? +--- 14990658 +>>14990480 +>the German population was absolutely outraged and angered by the presence of Senegalese troops and 500+ mixed kids were born +Wow I wonder how those kids got made?? +--- 14990664 +>>14990126 +>Nnnnooooo all the cringe ones are actually LIBERALS! +Yes. Leftists actually fight to create Leftist regimes. Liberals are just righties pretending to be left. +--- 14990665 +>>14990602 +>I think it was more "the american blacks, which are known to be pretty barbaric will rape the locals" than a statement on racial conciousness. +Really? You seriously think them being Africans had nothing to do with it? There's a reason why they were depicting black as night soldiers, which made up a tiny portion of the US army, and not a bunch of white skinned Americans (and definitely NOT Italian-Americans, who were also famously Mafiosi at this time). +Come on you can't be fucking serious. WW2 was literally the pinnacle of Racial Consciousness running amok. While Italians were stirring up fear about the Big Black Horde, the Germans were talking about defending Europe from "Asiatic hordes" and Japan was talking about "liberating Asia from the White Race". +If you can read German, just look at pic related. +--- 14990678 +>>14990664 +>Leftists actually fight to create Leftist regimes. +Leftist Regimes also tend to support all the "cringe" stuff like... Gender equality and getting rid of religiously rooted prejudices like homophobia. +--- 14990697 +>>14990665 +>Yeah bro Europeans totally had no conception of the White-Black dichotomy that they themselves invented and definitely just viewed Africans as being the same as any other Ethnicity they'd come across in the European continent +I'd pull out Kant's and Voltaire's quotes about Africa too, if I could find my old university books. +--- 14990720 +>>14990486 +>>No true Leftist +Correct. Just like how /pol/troons consider mainstream conservatives "not real right wingers" because they aren't racist enough. +--- 14990737 +>>14990678 +Leftists are mostly concerned with political-economic matters. You just described noise. + +>Gender equality and getting rid of religiously rooted prejudices like homophobia. +I don't see this in China nor Vietnam. I see this a lot in the Liberal West though. + +Stop blaming others for your own faults. +--- 14990740 +>>14990678 +>>14990737 +Leftist are the cause of homophobia.. modernity is the cause of homophobia.. +--- 14990863 +>>14990737 +>political-economic matters. You just described noise. +Oh right, women working and their political rights are completely apolitical and meaningless noise. No True Communist has ever commented on women's affairs ever. +What the fuck is this bullshit of 4chan "Communists" trying to frame themselves as being completely detached from "le cringe west"? Fucking Mao Zedong said pic related, this isn't "western liberalism", it's fucking Maoist Chinese Marxism +--- 14990881 +>>14990737 +>>Gender equality and getting rid of religiously rooted prejudices like homophobia. +>I don't see this in China nor Vietnam. I see this a lot in the Liberal West though. +You do see this in China and Vietnam, retard. Everyone who is anyone in the CCP hierarchy is an Atheist lmao, being militantly Anti-Religion has been a thing since Stalin started executing priests by the thousands. Meanwhile, East Germany decriminalized Homosexuality immediately while West Germany only did so in the 1970s. +>Inb4 the SED and DDR weren't true Lefitsts +>The CPSU weren't true Leftists +>True leftism is some obscure 4chan idol nobody cares about because he's "based" and "against woke" +--- 14990912 +>>14990339 +belgium +--- 14990999 +>>14989938 (OP) +Those guys are militia, not police. + +Lenin and Trotsky wrote several articles against the police. +--- 14991026 +>>14990999 +So lefties would stop sperging out if we just renamed our police and called them something else? +--- 14991076 +>>14991026 +No, because it's not simply renaming it. +--- 14991317 +>>14990999 +>The state's monopoly on violence and law enforcement group is uuuhhhhh ummm ahhh NOT THE SAME OKAY???? +Wtf is next, the Red Army isn't an army? +--- 14991340 +>>14989938 (OP) +>Do leftist think +Nope +--- 14991519 +>>14991317 +Whose state? +--- 14991534 +>>14989938 (OP) +leftists just hate uniforms, they love plainclothes cops +--- 14991571 +>>14991519 +The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. It had a UN seat and everything. +--- 14991740 +>>14989938 (OP) +Hey (You)! Yes (You)! (You) do not have any obligation to follow any orders from leftist “authorities”! Their laws are illegitimate! If a leftist “authority” gives you an order, you have the right to shoot them in the head! + +Bang! Lol! +--- 14991811 +>>14990126 +This is your brain on ideology +--- 14991976 +>>14989996 +>Because there's no way a state with a different name could behave like the evil capitalistic one, absolutely can't happen. +It's not about a State. Or a party. You are confused with vanguardism. +--- 14991988 +>>14989938 (OP) +Yes, leftoids believe that after they'll teach people to be better and then they won't need cops anymore. +--- 14992099 +>>14990486 +True, that's why they use the "totally not the police" militias. +--- 14992273 +>>14989938 (OP) +pretty much, two types of people join police forces, those with a genuine desire to protect their community and do good, and assholes who want a badge and some petty power, the latter invariably corrupt the former over time. + +and quite a few 'leftists' view the USSR and China as betrayals of any sort of 'leftist' principle. +--- 14992329 +>>14990033 +>Leftists actually believe in the state. +yes and no. + +leftist believe in an ideal of the state ' the state is the people and the people are the state' the state in a leftist ideal society is a democratic entity the expressed will of the people made manifest. + +if you arent being given frequent opportunities to exxpress your opinion freely and vote in a meaningful and fair election then what you have isnt socialist or communist its totalitarianism it might be totalitarianism selling itself as something else, which is what the soviets did and what the CCP does. + +and a cop abusing power is a thing to be despised in any society, police are citizens entrusted with power to be used to protect and maintain society and uphold the law and the law must be universal the same law for everybody, once cops start forgetting that then ociety has a serious problem. +--- 14992368 +>>14990282 +>leftists don’t like cops +probably something to do with the long hitory of police forces being used less for the stated function of enforcing the law equally and protecting all in society and instead being used as strikebreakers and protest crushers in societies where protest was fully justified. + +if a society is undemocratic -and lip service aside most societies in the world arent very- the police are used as much as a tool to control and suppress the population as to do actual crime prevention. this tends to piss off people +--- 14992369 +>>14989938 (OP) +ACAB is true in capitalist states because cops are class traitors for serving a capitalist state and thus the interests of a few capitalist elites. In proletarian dictatorships, cops serve the proletarian state and thus the interests of the masses. +--- 14992431 +>>14992329 +Liberal jibber jabber +--- 14992448 +>>14992329 +>yes and no. +Typical. No true beliefs or integrity. + +Just say you want power and less vaguely to kill White people. Isn't that easier? +--- 14992545 +>>14992448 +I'm white why would i want to kill white people. + +>>14992329 clarified that belief in 'the state' is not blind and unquestioning the state must have obligations to the people as well. + +the right as normal prefers to set up a strawman version of what they say all leftists believe in rather than actually learn a fucking thing. +--- 14992638 +>>14989938 (OP) +I agree with them, there were no police prior to the industrial revolution (and its consequences) and things were better. There should be a neighborhood watch made up of conscripted volunteers for cities and people in the country should just own guns and protect themselves with them. +--- 14994319 +>>14990033 +>he thinks liberals don't believe in the state +Who do you think defends their so called rights? diff --git a/his/14990139.txt b/his/14990139.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..544fe76c43d82464da2241c9cfcf8aab494c560f --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14990139.txt @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +----- +--- 14990139 +Crazy to think that if WW1 never happened. The Anglo-Japanese alliance would be the strongest power bloc in the world. + +America would remain isolationist and still be rich as fuck. But unless a direct threat emerged, they’d never invest massively into their military. (And considering by the time the British policy was for an alliance with japan, Britains main trade partner was America, and Japan relied on American resource imports. Neither one had a reason to provoke the USA) + +The main thing that destroyed their good relations is that the massive debt Britain owed to America after WW1 led to them having to back America in whatever demands they made. The biggest one that fucked the Japanese alliance was the Washington naval treaty which set a limit on naval buildups, something japan couldn’t accept. And which Britain had to lest America recall their debt. +--- 14990152 +>>14990144 +Also I just find it Pretty interesting how much japan directly copy pasted from Britain for its political and societal structure during the meiji reformation. I guess they decided that Britain was similar on paper enough for it to work. E.g. parliamentary system. Incorporating nobles into another house (samurai land owners becoming lords etc) + +Plus of course they wanted to keep their emperor. Even though they largely did fuck all. Much like the British monarch. +--- 14990240 +>>14990144 +Even in drawings Japs are still hideous +--- 14990361 +>>14990139 (OP) +>The main thing that destroyed their good relations is that the massive debt Britain owed to America after WW1 led to them having to back America in whatever demands they made + +No, we aren't Greeks, we don't mind paying our debts back in a timely manner. What fucked up our relations was the US siding with commies to fuck us over in the Suez crisis. We built the fucking thing, it should be ours. +--- 14990380 +>>14990152 +It's clear that Japan and Britain occupy the same metacontext in their respective regions. Down to specific historical events, being influenced by the major empires around them and adapting their culture(Rome/China), down to waging a period of wars to pacify the northern tribes (wars against the scots and against the the Emishi). Anyone who knows the history of both regions can see the similarities. +--- 14990381 +>>14990361 +If you think the empire was still salvageable by the suez crisis then you’re just plain wrong. Britain was meant to occupy japan along with America after WW2 and decided not to because they couldn’t afford it +--- 14990392 +Edward would have rekindled the alliance +--- 14991652 +>>14990152 +uoooooh +--- 14991686 +USA didn't break its isolationism with ww1, if anything it reinforced their isolationism. It was ww2 that made America step into the world stage, first to defeat the risen fascism worldwide and then to prevent the rise of communism, added with its economic and military zenith, and the vacuum left by the collapsing European spheres. +--- 14991731 +>>14990139 (OP) +Imagine if the British and Japanese crowns married into each other and united their countries and then we got an unmatched naval empire full of cute hapas :3 +--- 14991764 +>>14991731 +...for the USN to destroy ^_^ +--- 14991944 +>>14990139 (OP) +Why didn’t Tojo renewed alliance with Franco-Britain? +--- 14992137 +>>14990380 +One major difference is that England had almost a millenium of constant involvement in the mainland, while Japan tended to shut itself up in its own little world. As a result England accomplished its grand strategic goal of preventing Europe from uniting, while Japan was unable to keep China from knitting itself back together (which tbf was a lot harder than keeping Europe divided) +--- 14992566 +>>14990152 +unlike with Britain the difference is that quite a few Japanese actually took the theoretical powers vested in the monarch quite seriously. Like in Britain even though technically the Monarch is the commander in chief of the armed forces in practice the political leadership handles all of that. Whereas in Imperial Japan the political leadership never managed to gain control of the armed forces, although in practice this didn't mean the emperor directly meddled but rather to empower the military as a political player +--- 14993335 +>>14992137 +They tried to do so with Korea, but Japan had a bigger task at hand with China. It'd be like Britain going up against the roman empire at it's zenith +--- 14993341 +>>14990381 +>f you think the empire was still salvageable by the suez crisis + +I didn't even argue this, can't you fucking read? Honestly, just stop posting if you can't even read dude. +--- 14993356 +>>14991764 +Based. +--- 14993375 +>>14990361 +I’m still mad over Suez Crisis and I’m not even British. How did Americans think that it was a good idea to grant more power to uppity thirdies? +--- 14993432 +>>14993375 +Cause it took power from the Brits. +--- 14993454 +>>14993432 +But was it worth it? +--- 14993470 +>>14993454 +>america controls entire world except china, iran, north korea, cuba, and eritrea +yeah i'd say it was +--- 14993694 +>>14993454 +Hell yeah. +--- 14994065 +>>14991764 +>tfw no Anglo-Japanese hapa war bride from my occupation of London in '49 +Why even live +--- 14994221 +>>14991731 +>>14994065 +>Meet up real life Tifa and Cloud in Italy +VGHhhh! +--- 14994305 +>>14990139 (OP) +>America would remain isolationist and still be rich as fuck +>The great depression +--- 14994567 +>>14990139 (OP) +The alliance ceased to serve it's primary purpose after the Anglo-Russian conference of 1907 and the Anglo-Russian entente. To truly preserve the Anglo-Japanese alliance at its greatest extent would require preventing the unification of Germany. The best way to achieve this would be an Austrian victory in the Austro-Prussian war. Without a united Germany, the British and Russians never have a common enemy to unite against and the Great Game continues for the foreseeable future. +--- 14994847 +>>14991764 +Royal Navy at its peak will roll over even the entire planet's worth of combined ships. diff --git a/his/14990306.txt b/his/14990306.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5f7d328d7335c97ba63c211e94d40247f29bfd6b --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14990306.txt @@ -0,0 +1,34 @@ +----- +--- 14990306 +>go to primary (grade) school +>learn all sorts of fun things, ancient rome, ancient egypt, victorian times, dinosaurs, vikings +>go to secondary (high) school +>uhhhhhhh WW1... WW2........ and.... um........ the Cold War +I learnt more about history from being a Fate/Stay Night fan than I ever did from school +--- 14990320 +>>14990306 (OP) +Every school does a shit job at teaching the chronology of history as well + +>Egyptians, Romans, Vikings, er... WW1 + +But the focus on modern history in secondary schools is ridiculius. I could choose from a few units and all of them were WW2 or later. +--- 14991060 +>>14990320 +If it were me, I'd change the focus to how people were the same back then as they are right now. +Roman grafitti is were it started for me. +--- 14991244 +>>14990306 (OP) +>>14990320 +Mine wasn’t as bad as you’re making it sound. Yeah, the teacher was a football coach and not a historian, but we had one year of western history and one year of American history, and he did about as well as he could have. A school year actually isn’t much time at all to study all of history. +--- 14991335 +>>14990306 (OP) +You should have sought out knowledge on your own, loser. +--- 14993128 +>>14990306 (OP) +History is really just a series of fables and myths anyway, so who cares? +--- 14993149 +>>14991244 +Mr. S hated me obviously but he wasn’t a bad teacher. He was actually really lenient to me. I still hate most of the people from that class though and I mention them to pick on them. Like the polak and that frumpy, doughy girl named Chandler. +--- 14993159 +>>14990320 +I don’t remember us going chronologically like that. I remember us learning the same material in middle school history and again in AP Euro. diff --git a/his/14990636.txt b/his/14990636.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..58c00580724c35dd180ec160b2bbec31f3d96c01 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14990636.txt @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@ +----- +--- 14990636 +Can I get some recs for good books about the eastern front +--- 14990652 +Absolute War by Christopher Bellamy + +A really annoying thing I've discovered about pretty much all Eastern Front books is that the first hundred pages is about the Winter War and invasion of Poland. +--- 14990667 +>>14990636 (OP) +https://archive.org/details/whentitansclashe00glan_0 +--- 14990681 +>>14990652 +Isn't that where it all kicked off in the East though? I mean it's hard to write anything detailed about the American revolution without devoting at least one paragraph to the French and Indian war. +--- 14991845 +>>14990652 + +Because youre reading casual history by historians who just wants to make money like Antony Beevor, and thus every book assumes you're uninformed and wants to provide context. + +If you want to read some real advanced academic shit about the eastern front then I suggest Mark Harrison: Accounting for war. +--- 14991940 +>>14990636 (OP) +The Forgotten Soldier by Guy Sajer +--- 14992201 +>>14990636 (OP) +https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/htmlview +--- 14992224 +>>14990636 (OP) + +Bloodlands by Timothy Snyder + +Frankly it should be perquisite reading when discussing the Holocaust and Eastern Front +--- 14993162 +>>14990636 (OP) +Ostkrieg +Stalin's War +When Titans Clashed +Between Two Giants diff --git a/his/14990830.txt b/his/14990830.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9d233e3384937a966215eb217a014448fc73da97 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14990830.txt @@ -0,0 +1,127 @@ +----- +--- 14990830 +>blacks get used for slave labor for 400 years +>get no reparations, stay poor +>Jews get used for slave labor 2 years +>get so much reparations (even from allied countries lmao) their now the richest white people in the world + +Where is the justice in all that? +--- 14990839 +>>14990830 (OP) +Neither should be breathing +--- 14990842 +who do you think sold the slaves +--- 14990852 +>>14990830 (OP) +It's easier to resolve misgivings the nearer they are in history. That's why it was a simple thing for a Republican president to give reparations to Japanese citizens who were mass interned, but we haven't given anything to Blacks. +If something has just occurred, the whole of the country can justifiably be called guilty. On the issue of slavery, we were always divided and it occurred over a century ago. +--- 14990861 +>>14990830 (OP) +>>get no reparations +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society +--- 14990866 +>>14990852 +The reparations are welfare, food stamps, and affirmative action +--- 14990871 +>>14990830 (OP) +Jews lived in the same poor ghettoes as blacks when they first arrived in America and they now own America. +--- 14990886 +>>14990871 +Damn, why did they deserve so much handouts? Sounds kind of like insurance fraud. +--- 14990923 +>>14990830 (OP) +Blacks are not people you all should be culled jews are the finest humans in existence +--- 14990926 +>>14990923 +They ain’t giving you a green card vijay. +--- 14991047 +>>14990871 +What the fuck are you talking about retard, the the jews CREATED America. The Revolution was financed by Haym Salomon and supported by sephardic slave merchants. +--- 14991054 +>>14990830 (OP) +Didn’t realize blacks could live for over 400 years. Point out the poor man who was enslaved for 400 years, and I’d gladly support reparations for him. +--- 14991099 +>>14991054 +Show the Jew who got gassed and he’ll get reparations +--- 14991113 +>>14990830 (OP)\ +Lol. Wait until OP finds out that most slave owners were Jews. +--- 14991130 +>>14991047 +Lol, huge cope there kikefriend. + +It was created by English Puritans. Jews have been gypsy ghettoniggers for most of their existence. The only exception is Hungarian Jews who were largely admixed with R1b Europeans anyway. +--- 14991134 +>>14990830 (OP) +Jews were never used for slave labor. They say that they were but they lie about all kinds of shit all the time. +--- 14991272 +>>14990926 +I have dual citezenship americam and israeli +--- 14991296 +>>14991130 +>It was created by English Puritans +>The Philo-Semitic millennialist undercurrent came to have a direct influence on politics. A number of Cromwell's close advisors, such as John Dury, John Sadler and Hugh Peter, came into contact with Dutch-based Jews such as Menasseh ben Israel and advocated Jewish resettlement in England (they had been banned from the country since the 13th century). Sadler, Cromwell's secretary, even argued that the British were one of the Lost Tribes of Israel in his pamphlet The Rights of the Kingdom (1649) and thus kindred to the Jews, initiating British Israelism. Other Puritans such as Jeremiah Burroughs, Peter Bulkley, John Fenwicke and John Cotton,[18] some of whom lived in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, saw Jewish re-entry to England as a step on the path to their eventual return to Palestine (all tied up within a millennialist eschatology, which would hasten the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and thus the final judgement). +Amerisharts - kike slaves, zionists and masons since day one. +--- 14991472 +>>14990830 (OP) +Jews actually worked +--- 14991662 +>>14991272 +תפסיק להעלות את התמונה שלך לכאן אוטיסט +--- 14991673 +>>14990830 (OP) +what reparations did jews get that blacks didn't +--- 14992042 +>>14990830 (OP) +The US has spent around 20 trillion dollaridoos on welfare since LBJ launched the great society. +--- 14992067 +>>14990830 (OP) +Blacks don't own the media lol. +--- 14992091 +>>14990830 (OP) +They are the most incompentent and retarded race to ever walk this earth, of course any reparation you give them is a waste. +--- 14992107 +>>14990830 (OP) +Blacks were used as slave labour for 1500 years by the Arab slave trade. + +Black people should be paying Britain for going out of their way sending the Royal Navy to intercept slave ships and bombarding coastal cities to end african slavey worldwide. +--- 14992285 +>>14990830 (OP) +Why 400? Arabs are white too and they are set to be the majority in western countries in a few decades. The west owes at least 1000 years of reparations to Blacks. +--- 14992288 +>>14991673 +big fat checks from the German and French governments for all 12 of their grandparents who were gassed in a two car garage and then vaporized out of existence. What, you think the Jews became rich because they were smart? Nah they’re just welfare queens. +--- 14992312 +>>14990830 (OP) +well you see, it's simple really, you need to understand one simple fact +white people is to blam +not jewish international banking clique, certainly not the jewish media, and off course not the US jewish-bought politicians +I hope that's clear enough +--- 14992371 +Jews aren't rich from WW2 reparations, they were rich beforehand; US Jews didn't even get them. +Besides, Western Europe got tons of money in Marshall Plan aid, it just wasn't framed as reparations. Might've helped the Israeli economy through the early years though. +--- 14992406 +>>14990830 (OP) +Their rights that white people fought for are black's reparations +--- 14992418 +>>14992288 +Did Germans and French hand out cheques to American jews? +--- 14993208 +>>14990830 (OP) +>>blacks get used for slave labor for 400 years +When? When did this period begin and when did it end? +--- 14993217 +>>14991047 +>>14991296 +Except that Frankling and Hamilton founded the cultural and economic center of America explicitly to oppose "Those London Hebrews" +--- 14993254 +black people have small frontal lobes. thats all that needs to be said +--- 14993538 +>>14990830 (OP) +Jews>blacks +--- 14993761 +>>14990852 +This is unironically the answer +--- 14994545 +>>14992418 +The French national train company (SNCF) is forced to hand out several billion euros every few years to Israel because Germans used its railway to send jews to Auschwitz. diff --git a/his/14990937.txt b/his/14990937.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c2654e5a333db69856cc249f21154fa764880d7e --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14990937.txt @@ -0,0 +1,450 @@ +----- +--- 14990937 +What is wrong with divorce exactly? +--- 14990946 +>>14990937 (OP) +marriage should be a lifelong covenant and not something you can just enter in and out of like a bar +--- 14990950 +i care not if there is no children involved +--- 14990953 +>>14990937 (OP) +divorce corrects a mistake so nothing wrong in that +--- 14991096 +>>14990937 (OP) +>till death do us part. +Nah a few years and I’m out because we really ain’t that compatible after all. Why don’t people just not get married if they aren’t ready for that kind of commitment. +--- 14991122 +>>14990937 (OP) +Gives women too much parity with men. Women having parity with men is demonstrably a bad thing. +--- 14991208 +>>14990946 +>marriage should be a lifelong covenant and not something you can just enter in and out of like a bar + +Why? Why should people be forced into staying together if they fundamentally do not like each other and cannot cooperate? + +I’d rather have a minority of TRULY committed happy people marrying than a bunch of miserable fucks trapped as roommates with someone they can’t stand +--- 14991225 +>>14991208 +Why are people marrying people they can't stand? Maybe if they knew they'd be forced to stay together they would be more careful about who they chose +--- 14991228 +>>14990946 +>>14991225 +That's a really idiotic subject to make your larp stand about. +--- 14991239 +>>14990937 (OP) +Shalom +--- 14991241 +>>14991228 +Not an argument faggot +--- 14991249 +It's very possible for people to fundamentally change over the course of several years. Mental illness, personal tragedy of some kind, who knows. You can't commit your entire life to something, then have it change 100% and be expected to stay "committed" +--- 14991257 +>>14991225 +>>14990946 +>marriage rate plummets to 0 because there are no benefits +--- 14991261 +>>14991257 +You're gay anyway wtf do you care? +--- 14991281 +>>14991261 +i'm not gay +i fuck fat whores on Tinder +--- 14991289 +>>14990937 (OP) +Nothing, betas are against it because they want to control their wives and stop them from leaving them for chads. +--- 14991290 +>>14991249 +Don't get married then +--- 14991294 +>>14991290 +but people will call you a kike if you say that +--- 14991304 +>>14991294 +You probably are if you love divorce +--- 14991434 +>>14990937 (OP) +Nothing +--- 14991441 +>>14990937 (OP) +Completely rips apart a stable family unit in favor of temporary momentary gina tingles +--- 14991460 +>>14991441 +>stable family +>has divorce +ummmm +explain +--- 14991532 +>>14991225 +>Why are people marrying people they can't stand? + +Why do you make friends with people you can’t stand? Shit happens. People change, people start to grate on each other living in close quarters, people refuse to change, people idealize each other, many reasons. + +>Maybe if they knew they'd be forced to stay together they would be more careful about who they chose + +That’s between the two of them, not you +--- 14991541 +>>14991289 +That’s literally it. Alphas know they can replace a partner instantly. Betas desperately cling to the one woman who gave them a chance. + +Most domestic violence is the result of beta male mate-guarding. +--- 14991549 +>>14991441 +I grew up in a broken home and it was worse than a divorced home. Being forced to be a messenger and chess piece between 2 roommates is a nightmare. +--- 14991556 +>>14991289 +Chads get cheated on and left all the time + +The idea that you can avoid being burned by a woman by being the most alpha whatever faggot is a lie being sold to you by self-help guru's +--- 14991559 +>>14991549 +maybe leftists shouldn't get married or reproduce +--- 14991569 +>>14991532 +This wasn't a problem in the past. Maybe people just need to stop being so entitled. +--- 14991601 +>>14991289 +bingo + +>>14991556 +its less about being cheated on but the ease at which you can find a replacement. im a mediocre white guy in a medium sized city and i know without fail i could get a new gf within 1 or 2 weeks if i wanted. and im by no means chad. but better yet, the abundance mentality means that i will rarely fall for shit tests, and if i do and she loses interests? back on tinder and dating again +--- 14991636 +>>14991601 +>>14991541 +>>14991289 +r9k trannies +--- 14991685 +>>14991601 +Do you enjoy having a string of broken relationships rather than stable partner? +--- 14991720 +>>14991569 +>Maybe people just need to stop being so entitled. +Why do you feel entitled to dictate how other should live their lives? +--- 14991723 +>>14991685 +>dealing with a bitch is stable marriage +--- 14991727 +>>14991723 +So is that a yes or a no? +--- 14991729 +>>14991556 +Nobody ever said that “alphas never get cheated on” + +Alphas are less DAMAGED by cheating (they don’t emotionally invest in women) and are at lower RISK by cheating (women only fuck upward) +--- 14991735 +>>14991685 +Wives are worse behaved than girlfriends + +The girlfriend knows she can lose her job instantly + +The wife has tenure +--- 14991743 +>>14990937 (OP) +Divorce is a blessing when the parents are unhappy together, even worse when one partner is being stubborn and refusing to concede that the marriage failed, it invariably leads to an abusive household. + +Incels on 4chins can’t comprehend this because it never occurs to them that being marooned in an unhappy relationship is a more isolating and lonely experience than being single. + +>hurrr covenant +It’s no more a crime than declaring bankruptcy +--- 14991745 +>>14991729 +Neither of those are true + +Women will cheat on you with a broke ugly dude if she feels like doing it at that moment. They don't make rational decisions when it comes to relationships. + +>>14991735 +Female behavior is the way it is because of women's rights/sexual liberation, not because a woman is a wife vs a girlfriend. +--- 14991769 +>>14991745 +>Women will cheat on you with a broke ugly dude if she feels like doing it at that moment. + +Highly unlikely unless you’re a bitch in comparison + +>They don't make rational decisions when it comes to relationships. + +Women are 100x more calculating and ruthless in relationships than men are + +>Female behavior is the way it is because of women's rights/sexual liberation + +No it’s not you egalitarian tradcuck. Women have been hardwired since the first sexually reproductive lifeforms crawled out of the ocean to collect the genetic material of the most superior male. +--- 14991774 +MGTOWcucks are so retarded +--- 14991784 +>>14991685 +yes i do enjoy it, which is why i do it. + +the goal is marriage and kids but im not self cucking myself by losing all self respect the second a woman opens her legs for me + +>>14991769 +if that anon read madame bovary he would kill himself +--- 14991788 +>>14991769 +>Highly unlikely unless you’re a bitch in comparison +It happens all the time. +>Women are 100x more calculating and ruthless in relationships than men are +No they aren't, they're emotional/whimsical. Rich, attractive, highest status men routinely get cucked. + +Or do you think you're more high value/high status than Brad Pitt, Will Smith, Jeff Bezos, etc? + +>No it’s not you egalitarian tradcuck. Women have been hardwired since the first sexually reproductive lifeforms crawled out of the ocean to collect the genetic material of the most superior male. +That's why in traditional societies women didn't have rights and had arranged marriages and that system was stable and the current one and ancient polygamous ones were not. +--- 14991797 +>>14991784 +>yes i do enjoy it, which is why i do it. +> +>the goal is marriage and kids but im not self cucking myself by losing all self respect the second a woman opens her legs for me +Do you think you're going to enjoy it in a decade when you've become wrinkled and balding and women don't want to have casual sex with you unless you pay her (explicitly or in kind) for some begrudging sex? +--- 14991812 +>>14991797 +i still having healthy long term relationships like every other regular person, I'm just not tying the knot within 2 months like trad people do (before having an identity crisis when they find out they actually hate each other) +--- 14991815 +>>14991812 +You're not tying it at all sounds like. They're also not healthy since they end prematurely and routinely +--- 14991816 +>>14991788 +NTA but all three of the men you mentioned married extremely high status women, its barely even comparable +--- 14991818 +Divorce happens because people practice discrimination and imperfect love. When people use marriage as a form of self-indulgence, unstable relationships are created. They say "no, this other person is a better object for my lust" or "no, there is no love in this marriage; I realize I only love myself" and make a mockery of God's love. To them, it is sin. + +People who are obviously lost make meaning of things that are definitely bad for them: drugs, orgies, and any meaningless self indulgence. People who are more subtly lost make meaning of things that should be good gifts: family, community, career, nature, and sex in the context of marriage. Loving worldly things is worshipping the creation instead of the creator. + +Meaning is the fact that all humans are capable of reconciliation to God. Meaning comes from fully realizing that we have been loved perfectly. Meaning is to cultivate thankfulness to the master who loves us. Meaning is submission to His will. +--- 14991824 +>>14991815 +anon i never said i engage in hookup culture excessively, nor did i say that i end relationships prematurely or routinely. this is all a fabrication you've created to cope + +i engage in long term relationships with the goal of marriage and kids, the only difference being that I'm also capable of any point exiting the relationship and finding someone else if and when that becomes necessary or preferable +--- 14991827 +>>14991816 +>She met Will Smith in 1994 on the set of Smith's television show The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, when she auditioned for the role of his character's girlfriend, Lisa Wilkes. She was considered too short and the role went to actress Nia Long. Will and Jada later began dating after he separated from Sheree Fletcher. Prior to this, Will had developed an attraction to Jada, but did not act on it. Jada eventually moved from her hometown of Baltimore to California to be with him.[107] On December 31, 1997, while Jada was three months pregnant,[107] about 100 guests attended their wedding at The Cloisters, near her hometown of Baltimore, Maryland.[108] Regarding her marriage, Jada said that they are "private people" and told one interviewer, "I will throw my career away before I let it break up our marriage.[109] I made it clear to Will. I'd throw it away completely".[110] The couple produce films through their joint production company, Overbrook Entertainment and Westbrook Inc.[111][107] +>After graduating from college, Tuttle worked as a research assistant to Morrison for the 1992 novel Jazz.[15] She also worked in an administrative role for hedge fund D. E. Shaw in New York City, where she met Jeff Bezos. +Yes very high status careers before meeting their husbands +--- 14991837 +>>14991824 +And yet you're unmarried without kids +--- 14991844 +>>14991837 +only 21 big guy, i got time, my goal is to be married and have kids by 28, which means i have about 3 more years to fuck around before i get serious :D +--- 14991847 +>>14990937 (OP) +The children it produces, primarily. +--- 14991861 +>>14991827 +jada was an established actress (obviously not A list though) and Tuttle married bezos pre amazon and helped run it for a time. so yes they were status-matched +--- 14991876 +>>14991861 +lol, lmao even +--- 14991892 +>>14991876 +at which one? +id grant you that Jada and will weren't on the same level but that doesn't really give away anything else. what do you think that just because a guy has fame that a woman will worship him forever? +--- 14991906 +>>14991892 +I have been arguing against that in this thread + +"Redpilled" people have convinced themselves that being the most successful alpha chad is the way you protect yourself from being cucked. But the reality is those guys get cucked and divorce raped too. You can't win at the game. + +The solution is a much more radical restriction on women's rights. +--- 14991914 +>>14991906 +>will smith chad +AHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAA +--- 14991920 +>>14991906 +also bezos cucked his wife not the other way around +--- 14991951 +>>14991920 +Source? +--- 14991960 +>>14991914 +You think you have higher SMV than Will Smith? +--- 14991964 +>>14991951 +it was all over fit when it happened since the woman was bogged to hell and back, cba to check though + +>>14991960 +SMV doesnt matter if youre a broken man at heart. WIll has been a laughing stock to the average man for a decade with what he lets jada get up to. he's the most buckbroken man in hollywood and its not even close. everyone in this thread has more self respect than he does +--- 14992021 +>>14991964 +>it was all over fit when it happened since the woman was bogged to hell and back, cba to check though +Bezos was already separated before he started dating that bimbo + +>SMV doesnt matter if youre a broken man at heart. WIll has been a laughing stock to the average man for a decade with what he lets jada get up to. he's the most buckbroken man in hollywood and its not even close. everyone in this thread has more self respect than he does +So you think a woman won't cheat on you or divorce rape you and you think you can pull more women than a rich celebrity actor because you respect yourself more? +--- 14992026 +>>14992021 +>So you think a woman won't cheat on you or divorce rape you and you think you can pull more women than a rich celebrity actor because you respect yourself more? + +yes +--- 14992031 +>>14990937 (OP) +You don't know what's wrong with divorce because you don't know what is the meaning of marriage. +--- 14992033 +>>14992026 +adendum: will smith can probably get more bitches then me its true, but id never get cucked like he did, that requires a special degree of mental retardation +--- 14992035 +>>14992026 +Well in that case you're simply delusional or have been brainwashed by self-help videos into believing that. +--- 14992043 +>>14991257 +>women can no longer divorce you for no reason (no fault divorce) and take half your shit and never let you see your kids again in the anti-father divorce courts +>this is a bad thing +--- 14992048 +>>14992043 +I'm not a tradcuck seeing marriage rates as success +--- 14992054 +>>14992035 +go read anything about will smith and jadas relationship. you are just completely out of your depth on the subject, even the most pathetic men are rarely THAT pathetic + +could he be divorce raped? maybe, would he actually be cucked. absolutely not +--- 14992204 +>>14990937 (OP) +Children of divorced parents tend to become criminals which is harmful to society. + +>One major parent-related risk factor for criminal development is parental divorce, as several studies have shown that parental divorce leads to offspring antisocial behavior and criminal convictions [3,4]. +--- 14992216 +>>14991720 +I don't. Stop projecting your leftoid horseshit on to me. I don't feel the need to legislate everything just because I think it's bad. +--- 14992245 +>>14992204 +That's only really applies to single mothers. +Families with single fathers tend to be more stable. +--- 14992247 +>>14991225 +Considering that the gang here is all about people marrying young, you grow and change from your late teens and early 20’s. In fact it would be strange if your personality at 30 is the same one you had at 20 or 22. +--- 14992253 +>>14992216 +But you provide no justification for your beliefs? Divorce is rarely a good thing, but in many cases, it's a necessary evil. The option should be available in order to avoid a much worse scenario. +--- 14992259 +>>14992247 +I guess people in the past just had real problems to worry about +--- 14992263 +>>14992259 +Yeah no anon they just beat their wives and divorce was much harder for a woman to initiate and carry out +--- 14992270 +>>14992263 +>They just beat their wives +Gonna need a citation on that one moshe +--- 14992290 +>>14992270 +Why don’t you actually care about what’s true? Do you want to just wander through a life of confused delusion? +You’re wondering why people in the past almost never got divorced, the fact is that women can initiate divorce now and it used to be much harder if not virtually impossible legally. +Take or leave the beating thing, but the difficulty of women to divorce in the past was increased, yielding lower divorce rates. +--- 14992294 +>>14992290 +Well then women being able to initiate divorce so easily is clearly a bad thing. +--- 14992297 +>>14991549 +I feel for you bud. +--- 14992302 +>>14992294 +Or marriage in nuclear families is a bullshit unnatural institution for a large portion of the population. +--- 14992320 +>>14992302 +You say that but there's no reason to believe that. When we had that family structure our societies were actually functioning. Now that its been largely abandoned our societies are shit. It's not THE reason why but it's clearly one of them. +--- 14992359 +>>14992320 +that family structure only existed at societies prime +suddenly afterwards everything went to shit +makes you think.... +--- 14992367 +>>14992320 +Well on a personal level you can just be smarter about who you marry and when in your life, clearly with divorce rates going down many people handle it fine. + +If you make it harder for women to divorce your oppression women. + +If I were in charge I would try and make extended family living the norm again to lower the pressure on the couple and childcare. + +I don’t find oppressing women acceptable. They’re people like you and I, locking them into a permanent marriage to someone they don’t like is cruel and you should not be surprised that they despise people like you. +--- 14992385 +>>14992359 +>that family structure only existed at societies prime +It literally still exists now, you just spend more time staring at screens than you do going on dates +--- 14992396 +>>14990937 (OP) +It’s a complicated situation, DESU. Sometimes a divorce is for the best, sometimes it really isn’t. In cases where the people divorcing have kids, a divorce can often really fuck with the kid mentally, but if the parents are at a stage where they’re getting a divorce, maybe they should. As for people without kids, I have no real opinion. +--- 14992412 +>>14992396 +Oh! I forgot to mention that the courts can often be favorable to women when it comes to things like custody, which is bad. +--- 14992414 +>>14992396 +Oh wow a nuanced non-retard on /his/ with life experience +--- 14992445 +>>14992414 +Well my parents divorced when I was a kid, and it did tuck me up in the head a bit, but seeing as my dad was abusive to my mom and us kids, I can’t really blame her for the divorce. Having said that, the two of them handled the divorce poorly, and I do think more divorced parents need to not let their petty emotions get in the way of providing stability to their child’s life. +--- 14992546 +>>14992385 +and are you really claiming things are actually functioning nowdays? +--- 14992575 +>>14992546 +You’re going to have to be more specific man. I see some economic problems and looks like some issues in cities but that’s why I don’t live in a city. +--- 14993173 +>>14992575 +He’s mad and bitter because he’s a NEET who wants the government to issue him a wife and hen force her to stick around no matter how bad or lazy of a partner he is +--- 14993211 +>>14993173 +Sort of ironic that the guys who need a gf the most choose the least appealing ideologies and religious beliefs to almost all women +--- 14993214 +>>14990937 (OP) +Nothing, it's without question a good for both individuals and society. +--- 14993221 +>>14991225 +>Why are people marrying people they can't stand? +Now that women have achieved more rights and higher wealth parity, this basically doesn't happen anymore. +--- 14993225 +>>14990937 (OP) +Because I grew up better in a stable family. Not merely different. BETTER. And everyone should get a better chance at that. +--- 14993250 +>>14991960 +Will Smith isn’t an alpha dude. He’s a rich beta male with class clown bonuses. +--- 14993282 +Divorce Incorporated was created by lawyers to make shitloads of money. Probably Jewish ones. + +The entire process creates debt (to lawyers), mental illness, and fucks children up. + +It is a huge mistake even for parents who can make it work to teach their kids now that they should look to marry for life. + +Marriage is a religious thing. Civil unions are what everyone else should enter if they want some more substantial form of companionship, and they should be required by law to pick a reasonable amount of time the union should last, say 2 years, or 4, or 8 or something. Division of assets on dissolution of the union should be automatic. + +Frankly, I'm fucking sick of the current stupid situation. +--- 14993284 +>>14993250 +Was it the wholesome, PG rated rap album that gave it away? +--- 14993325 +>>14993284 +That’s what gets me. So many betas think that waving money or fame in a girl’s face will make her RESPECT a man or feel AROUSED by a man. + +Tupac was rich. Will Smith was rich. Tupac was famous. Will Smith was famous. Guess which one alpha widowed Jada? + +Money, status, and connections are USEFUL to woman. Not arousing. A shy awkward skinny/chubby multimillionaire crawling on his hands and knees begging a girl to marry him is not gonna get the same reception as a smooth, aggressive, physically powerful, cavalier, emotionally unavailable millionaire. + +Any dude can get laid if they pay a chick enough cash. That doesn’t equal respect, love, or anything else. Shit, that even goes for platonic relationships. + +No guy respects a wuss or wants to be friends with a wuss. Because when the shit hits the fan, he’s going to be useless like a woman. +--- 14993755 +>>14993211 +He’s just lazy and wants to be rewarded for putting in the bare minimum effort +--- 14993829 +>>14993325 +I mean if they actually knew what women wanted, would they really have time to piss and moan about it on 4chan? +--- 14994116 +>>14991249 +>>14991532 +This is retarded. People don't change, or atleast they don't change in an unexpected and drastic way. I would give leeway for Alzheimers or Schizophrenia but that's circumstantial and rare, most people get divorced for shallow reasons. Beyond that the purpose of marriage, aside from tax reasons, is procreation. Divorce is setting a bad example for your children and could potentially mess them up if they're at a young age. It's a huge burden for something so selfish. +T. Child of divorced parents +--- 14994119 +>>14994116 +>people don't change +Get a life, desu ^w^ +You might learn a thing or two outside of your parents house, nya 030 +--- 14994140 +>>14994116 +>Divorce is setting a bad example for your children + +Teaching your kids to walk away from unhealthy relationships and placing value on their happiness? +--- 14994167 +>>14994116 +Also lots of people get married for stupid reasons. Some women think it's okay to bully men into it. I've dated girls who demanded marriage be on the table after a week or two of infatuation, and seen other guys actually fall for it and get married after a few months. Marriage is a woman's institution, and them going hard for it is a power move. + +It is total insanity to me to consider marriage before dating for 2 years. You don't even really know someone well until you've known them for that long. + +Just kidding, I'd never actually consider it at all, women are really fucked up. diff --git a/his/14990938.txt b/his/14990938.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..48f09bda8f675732edd47c41c5489f7072e04c7d --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14990938.txt @@ -0,0 +1,338 @@ +----- +--- 14990938 +where is it? +--- 14990944 +Jordan +Anyone saying Ethiopia is 100% a nigger +--- 14990956 +Melted down. +--- 14990964 +where did moses get the box anyway? quite ugly if god made it, i had higher expectations. +--- 14990971 +Ethiopia +--- 14990978 +>>14990964 +It had a very Egyptian design, which makes sense with the exodus +--- 14991037 +>>14990938 (OP) +ethiopia. Solomonic dynasty protected it but got stolen +--- 14991050 +>>14990938 (OP) +Its Mary. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmii0zRKP5A [Embed] +--- 14991051 +it was stolen by dick dastardly and muttley +--- 14991056 +>>14990938 (OP) +They found some tunnels under the temple at one point but no one will let any archeologists under there because reasons. My bet is that it's hidden down there. +--- 14991072 +>>14991056 +Also I've done like no research on the subject, I just watched this video. It's pretty good. +https://youtu.be/_9sTr6n0MFc?t=1337 [Embed] +--- 14991206 +The scholarly consensus is that the Exodus, as described in the Torah, is not historical. So the ark of the covenant, built during the so-called Exodus, never existed. +--- 14991292 +>>14990964 +God gave Moses the exact specifications, and then the best Israelite craftsmen got together to make it +--- 14991305 +>>14991206 +This "scholarly consensus" is pushed by kikes like Finkelstein who LARP as atheists as to avoid bringing attention to his digs. +--- 14991313 +It's in Malta + +Why do you think the crusaders built a city there? +--- 14991328 +>>14991292 +The majority of scholars agree there is no historical Moses, and no reason from archaeology, or history, to suppose any of the Exodus story is true. +--- 14991347 +>>14990938 (OP) +Probably melted down by Roman legionaries +--- 14991352 +>>14991305 +>Jewish guy says the Chosen People stuff is nonsense and is anti Zionist +>Anti-Jews still find a reason to hate him because he denies the existence of his own ethnic-heritage's magic box +???? +--- 14991359 +>>14991347 +Oof, based if factual +--- 14991362 +>>14991352 +>Israeli +>anti zionist +Do you realize how stupid you sound? +--- 14991380 +>>14990938 (OP) +used by titus as a leg rest +--- 14991388 +>>14991362 +Kek was confusing him with another Finkelstein then +Either way though, who cares? A Jewish guy says the story is mythical and BS, what's there to be mad about? It's his own culture's fantasies for him to decry. +Do you get mad when a Swede says Odin isn't real? +--- 14991417 +>>14991359 +If factual? Nigga the Romans pulverized Jerusalem and then made a Triumphal Arch you can go see in Rome, there's not much to debate about it. The original Temple's treasures all got sacked, if they survived the Romans then they were taken by Germanic barbarians +--- 14991419 +Ron Wyatt found it. +--- 14991429 +>>14991417 +based beyond belief +--- 14991435 +>>14991429 +>>14991359 +>Oof +>based +Anyone here born after 2004 should be banned from posting until they've lurked for 5 years. +--- 14991436 +>>14991050 +https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/mary-the-ark-of-the-new-covenant +--- 14991443 +>>14991435 +jokes on you, I'm old as fuck and have been here for more than a decade +--- 14991449 +>>14991050 +>unleashing the power of deifying cuckoldry will BTFO'd pretty much everything around it +makes more sense than it should, concerning +--- 14991450 +>>14990944 +>Jordan +why +--- 14991508 +>>14991449 +Ngl that part is the gayest shit. It just comes out of nowhere in the bible. 100% it's cuckery. +--- 14991513 +>>14990938 (OP) + +Random cave around Mt Sinai +--- 14991558 +>>14991450 +2 Maccabees 2:4-5 +--- 14991643 +>>14991558 +www.bibleandscience.com/archaeology/ark.htm +--- 14991688 +>>14991050 +>Mary has the rod of arron inside her. +--- 14991696 +>>14991206 +>The scholarly consensus +--- 14991710 +>>14990964 +If you read the Bible, it describes how it was made in excruciating detail. Most people understandably skip those parts. + +>Moreover, you shall make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twisted linen, and blue, purple, and crimson yarns; you shall make them with cherubim skilfully worked into them. 2 The length of each curtain shall be twenty-eight cubits, and the width of each curtain four cubits; all the curtains shall be of the same size. 3 Five curtains shall be joined to one another; and the other five curtains shall be joined to one another. 4 You shall make loops of blue on the edge of the outermost curtain in the first set; and likewise you shall make loops on the edge of the outermost curtain in the second set. 5 You shall make fifty loops on the one curtain, and you shall make fifty loops on the edge of the curtain that is in the second set; the loops shall be opposite one another. 6 You shall make fifty clasps of gold, and join the curtains to one another with the clasps, so that the tabernacle may be one whole. + +That goes on for about 20 chapters. +--- 14991722 +>>14991710 +>That goes on for about 20 chapters. +based +--- 14991725 +>>14990938 (OP) +Smelted to golden butt plugs for faggot Romans who raped the Hebrews out of existence +--- 14991734 +>>14991710 +It wasn't just a box, it was the mercy seat, a throne where God would come and sit as Jesus. The priest couldn't see him since Jesus was going to remain a mystery and blind the jews in smoke of God's wrath. +--- 14991748 +>>14991734 +Most people draw it with wings covering the top, but the wings could have been as a backing for the seat. + +[Exo 25:17 KJV] 17 And thou shalt make a mercy seat [of] pure gold: two cubits and a half [shall be] the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof. +[1Ch 28:11 KJV] 11 Then David gave to Solomon his son the pattern of the porch, and of the houses thereof, and of the treasuries thereof, and of the upper chambers thereof, and of the inner parlours thereof, and of the place of the mercy seat, +--- 14991749 +>>14991734 +I fucking love christcucks they're so delusional it's unreal. +--- 14991754 +I really like the theory that it was a big ass battery designed to cause electroshock induced mystical experiences. +--- 14991759 +>>14991749 +Jesus loves you 2 + +Here is the better picture of it as a seat, like a throne. +--- 14991766 +>>14990956 +Only correct answer. +--- 14991885 +>>14991710 +>Most people skip that +Meanwhile I've had to read it twice now. First in ye olde English because I fell for the KJV meme and now again in my RSV2CE after realising I was missing half the deutorocanonicals after finishing the old testament. +--- 14991909 +>>14991748 +The commode, or as more commonly refer to it, the toilet, is something everyone uses on a daily basis. +It is the centerpiece of most bathrooms and iterations of the modern toilet date back over 5000 years. +>>14991749 +perhaps it was god's commode? +>>14991759 +where god would take a shit? +--- 14991918 +>>14991688 +>Aaron +--- 14991925 +Area 51 +--- 14991927 +>>14991328 +The majority of scholars don't know shit and speculate as much as any schizo +--- 14991936 +>>14991925 +in that warehouse there +--- 14992370 +>>14991927 +If there was a Jewish exodus from Egypt +should we expect there to be evidence of it? +or +expect there to be no evidence of it? +--- 14992378 +>>14992370 +There is evidence of it. +--- 14992381 +The answer is in the Bible. Look up the descriptions of Boaz and Jachin. They were not supporting anything and their purpose was to be a part of an underground mechanism, a counterbalance. When activated, the mechanism hid the Ark underground, where it still is to this day +--- 14992481 +>>14991925 +>>14991936 +Based indianajonespilled indycel +--- 14992494 +>>14992381 +we know that moses didn't exist and the exodus didn't happen, +but there's a chance that solomon's temple did, albeit small. +--- 14992504 +>>14992378 +ok, not what I asked +still,, I take it we both agree that we should expect there to be evidence of a Jewish exodus, if that really happened +--- 14992514 +>>14990971 +>>14991037 +If god is so powerful and knows everything, why did he leave it a country he knew would become Muslim majority? +--- 14992523 +>>14992504 +Evidence is a pretty vague term, but while we generally would expect archaeological evidence it does not necessarily mean that there would be any. It is not necessary in any case for us to have certainty concerning the Exodus, since biblical proofs are sufficient. +--- 14992533 +>>14992523 +>since biblical proofs are sufficient. +Sufficient to whom, exactly? +--- 14992536 +>>14992533 +To anybody because truth doesn't care what your opinion is. +--- 14992552 +Never existed. +--- 14992556 +>>14992536 +According to my intelligence contact, my dick has opened your mom's fat ass. I don't care what your opinion on that is, it's the truth. +--- 14992560 +>>14992536 +The Bible is just a written opinion / fanfic. +--- 14992561 +>>14992556 +> +--- 14992564 +>>14992536 +According to my intelligence contact, my dick has opened your mom's fat ass. You must accept it as the truth the way your mother accepted me into her +--- 14992570 +>>14992560 +The Bible is the word of God +--- 14992585 +>>14992570 +It is not, in point of fact. Rationally and historically speaking it is verifiably not. +--- 14992601 +>>14992585 +>Rationally +What's that? +--- 14992670 +>>14991885 +Should have got a KJV with apocrypha +--- 14992687 +According to the biblical narrative, Solomon's Temple was plundered several times. In the fifth year of Rehoboam's reign (commonly dated to 926 BCE), Egyptian pharaoh Shishak (positively identified with Shoshenq I) took away treasures of the Temple and the king's house, as well as shields of gold that Solomon had made; Rehoboam replaced them with brass ones (1 Kings 14:25; 2 Chronicles 12:1–12). + +A century later, Jehoash, king of the northern Kingdom of Israel, advanced on Jerusalem, broke down a portion of the wall, and carried away the treasures of the Temple and the palace (2 Kings 14:13–14). Later, when Ahaz of Judah was threatened by defeat at the hands of Rezin of Aram-Damascus and Pekah of Israel, he turned to king Tiglath-Pileser IV for help. To persuade him, he "took the silver and gold that was found in the house of Yahweh, and in the treasures of the king's house, and sent it for a present to the King of Assyria" (2 Kings 16:8). At another critical juncture, Hezekiah cut off the gold from the doors and doorsteps of the temple he himself had overlaid, and gave it to king Sennacherib (2 Kings 18:15–16). + +And the Temple of Solomon was plundered by King Nebuchadnezzar II of the Neo-Babylonian Empire when the Babylonians attacked Jerusalem during the brief reign of Jehoiachin c. 598 BCE (2 Kings 24:13). A decade later, Nebuchadnezzar again besieged Jerusalem and after 30 months finally breached the city walls in 587/6 BCE. The city finally fell to his army in July 586/7 BCE. A month later, Nebuzaradan, commander of Nebuchadnezzar's guard, was sent to burn and demolish the city. According to the Bible, "he set fire to the Temple of Yahweh, the royal palace and all the houses of Jerusalem" (2 Kings 25:9). Everything worth plundering was then removed and taken to Babylon (2 Kings 25:13–17). +--- 14992719 +>>14992601 +a word, look it up in the dictionary +--- 14992736 +>>14992670 +https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Apocrypha-Books/ +https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611-Bible/ +--- 14992964 +>Is there archaeological evidence of King David? +The archaeological evidence for King David's existence is limited, and much of it is controversial. Perhaps the most important piece of evidence linked to King David is known as the Tel Dan stele, which is an ancient and broken inscribed stone discovered in 1993 and 1994. + +>Is there archeological evidence for Solomon? +Yet there's no archaeological evidence that Solomon the man ever existed at all. Despite living at a time where scribes were already likely writing the Bible, no inscriptions from across the greater region bear his name. + +>Is there archeological evidence of the Ark? +No Exodus. No Moses. Possible David. No Solomon. No temple. +--- 14992989 +>>14992964 +--- 14993025 +>>14991388 +Odin was real thoughever, he belonged to the hermetic tradition. +--- 14993051 +>>14992523 +If there was no evidence for a Jewish exodus, would your confidence in the Bible being the true word of God be reduced? +--- 14993289 +>>14992370 +should be however there is not +>>14992670 +completes the comic book +--- 14993304 +>>14992964 +>No Exodus. No Moses. +what do you mean? ridley scott made a movie about it +--- 14993316 +>>14993025 +>Wotan +>Greece +--- 14993320 +>israeli jews dig up the whole sinai peninsula +>they find zero evidence of the exodus +--- 14993331 +>>14991696 +Is the article in question wrong in regards to things like the iron in our bones? +--- 14993349 +>>14991206 +>as described in the Torah +i can agree with this +>So the ark of the covenant, built during the so-called Exodus, never existed. +the ark replica during second temple period is a fact and was witnessed by several people, it was copy of a previous thing that we can not surely confirm what was it and when it was built. +--- 14994356 +>>14990938 (OP) +>>14990944 +Abyssinia +--- 14994362 +>>14991050 +This /thread +The old Ark is no longer relevant but it is still located in Abyssinia. +--- 14994371 +>>14992964 +Zero physical evidence for +Roman Emperor Silbannacus +Archimedes +Genghis Khan +King of Leonidas of Sparta +The battle of Stalingrad +Roman Emperor Sponsianus +Zarathustra, Prophet of Ahura Mazda +Attila the Hun +The Hephthalite Empire (it was just a bunch of Tocharian/Sogdian city states) +Dido, Founder and First Queen of Carthago +--- 14994427 +>>14992964 +Zero physical evidence for +Roman Emperor Silbannacus +Archimedes +Genghis Khan +King of Leonidas of Sparta +The battle of Stalingrad +Roman Emperor Sponsianus +Zarathustra, Prophet of Ahura Mazda +Attila the Hun +The Hephthalite Empire (it was just a bunch of Tocharian/Sogdian city states) +Dido, Founder and First Queen of Carthago +--- 14994435 +>>14993051 +No. +--- 14994442 +>>14993331 +Yes. +--- 14994478 +>>14992964 +I don't think it's that out of the question Solomon existed, we have evidence for some of the later kings like Ahab. diff --git a/his/14990982.txt b/his/14990982.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..71a5d0451a050b8f5d295fc15d972107c5db81d3 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14990982.txt @@ -0,0 +1,269 @@ +----- +--- 14990982 +Nobody who rejects Christ shall have entry to the Kingdom. Only through Him can anybody hope to find salvation. Catholics, Muslims, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are excluded from this. You have to follow Christ's teachings, not just worship His or His mother's image. Atheists, of course, will suffer the most once judgement has been passed. He mourns the loss of all of His children to the darkness, but the choices they make are theirs alone. +--- 14990993 +>>14990982 (OP) +Catholics are the only Christians. Go worship money and the Republican party you trailer trash dysgenic. +--- 14991006 +>>14990982 (OP) +>Catholics, Muslims, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are excluded from this. +Why? What's the logic here? +--- 14991007 +>>14990993 +Why do you worship Mary? Why do you allow your priests to take the innocence of children? +--- 14991012 +>>14991006 +They are heretics and do not follow His plan for us. They pollute His message with blasphemous lies. +--- 14991031 +>>14991007 +Why do you hate the mother of Christ? Why do you try to reconcile the love of money and hatred of your fellow man with the faith? + +Answer: because you're a Protes-taint +--- 14991040 +>>14991031 +I do not hate her. I do not use her image to commit the sin of idolatry. Why is that so hard to understand? +--- 14991043 +>>14991012 +His message being based on the Bible, right? The same Bible that the Council of Nicaea determined the canon of. The same Bible proliferated by the institution of the Catholic Church across the world... + +I'm not even a Christian but other Christians decrying Catholics will never not be funny to me +--- 14991097 +>>14991040 +Cope heretic +--- 14991147 +>>14990982 (OP) +Let me guess there wasn't real Christianity until 1500 + x. +--- 14991247 +>>14991147 +Catholicism was a corruption of Christ’s teachings, yeah. Not OP btw. +--- 14991387 +>>14990982 (OP) +>Atheists, of course, will suffer the most +Heretical nonsense +--- 14991400 +>Nobody who rejects Christ shall have entry to the Kingdom. + +That's not what the Quran says +--- 14991447 +>>14990982 (OP) +How do Jehovah's Witnesses reject Christ though ? + +He is our Lord. +--- 14991488 +>>14991447 +You reject the Trinity. +--- 14991502 +>>14991488 +The Trinity isn't Biblical canon +--- 14991517 +>>14990982 (OP) +>Atheists, of course, will suffer the most once judgement has been passed. +Ah yes, pedophiles, rapists and murderers welcome to my kingdom as long as you don't reject me :) Atheists get the rope no matter their virtues though. Great fucking religion lmfao +--- 14991518 +I desire to go to Hell and not to Heaven. In the former I shall enjoy the company of popes, kings and princes, while in the latter are only beggars, monks and apostles. +--- 14991527 +>>14991502 +When did JW’s start caring about what is or isn’t in the Bible? Nowhere in the Bible does it say celebration of birthdays and holidays are forbidden but you guys are gung-ho about that. +--- 14991537 +>>14991518 +>goes to hell expecting to converse with popes, kings, and philosophers +>ends up boiling in a pot of shit with Ricky Gervais +--- 14991540 +>>14991527 +JW’s claim a lot of things that aren’t in the Bible, just like the Pagan Catholics and their intercession of saints. + +But at least there were smart, educated Catholics throughout history, JW’s tend to be toilet cleaners at JC Penny who put off getting an education waiting for an Armageddon that will never come. + +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions +--- 14991547 +>>14991537 +Boiling in shit is a neurotic kike fantasy from the Talmud, thanks for admitting that christcucks are good goyim who slurp up corpophiloc jewish ramblings +--- 14991551 +>>14991447 +You worship a fake Jesus that was made up by Charles Russel in the 19th century, besides your other problems. You can no more be saved by that fiction than by the Mexican convenience store clerk Jèsus +>>14990993 +Rome has a false gospel. Nobody will be saved while they are seeking to be justified by works, or when they think an abominable ritual of cracker-worship is a repetition of Christ's sacrifice which was once for all, and which actually removed the sins of those for whom it was made. +--- 14991560 +>>14991518 +This is what you'll enjoy in hell, chuddie. Also the company you'll enjoy will be trannies and faggots +--- 14991568 +>>14991517 +Atheism is a sin, and unrepentant sinners go to hell. +--- 14991608 +>>14991560 +Can't be worse than being a man under 6'0 +--- 14991648 +>>14990982 (OP) +I don't approve of these AI generated Ricky Gervais in hell images but I still find them really funny, similar to how I hate Christopher Nolan's Batman movies but love Baneposting +--- 14991664 +>>14991568 +Yet you don't touch on the other sins even non christians consider as such. Interadesting +--- 14991672 +>>14991664 +God will touch on them at the last day, all sinners need Jesus to be saved, there is no salvation outside of Him +--- 14991676 +>>14991664 +They don’t dedicate their lives to shitting on Christ’s message, generally speaking. +--- 14991679 +>>14991040 +>muh idolatry +muslim tier +--- 14991683 +>>14991551 +>Nobody will be saved while they are seeking to be justified by works + +>Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: + +>For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: + +>Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. + +>Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? + +>When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? + +>Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? + +>And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me +--- 14991702 +>>14991683 +Yes. +--- 14991746 +>>14991672 +>>14991676 +This is probably why we have mass convict releases. dindu retards and free pass to paradise retards. +--- 14991753 +>>14991746 +>hmm, I hate Jesus +>therefore [thing I dislike] must be Jesus' fault! +--- 14991758 +>>14991746 +Niggers are the race with the lowest IQ, the lowest demonstrated critical thinking ability, and the most likely to be Christian. + +Coincidence? + +>bix nood imma murk a mufugga den ask skyhomie to hook me up wit dat paradise game +--- 14991775 +>>14990982 (OP) +According to that statement, how do Muslims violate Christ's teachings? They neither worship him nor his mother. He is seen as one of the greatest, if not the greatest, prophet of the Lord. +--- 14991785 +>>14991758 +God chooses fools to shame the wise +--- 14991790 +>>14991775 +>They neither worship him +Answered yourself +--- 14992153 +>>14991040 +I think there should be a point in the life of a protestant where he realises he has believed in literal bullshit proposed by schismatic idiots and he should snap out of all this nonsense. +You have been tricked into a false Church but past a certain threshold you become another dirty tricker. +--- 14992175 +>>14990993 +Lmao Catholics are so hilarious when they try to claim the intellectual high ground. You still believe in most of the same iron age superstitious bullshit as the snake handlers do. +--- 14992235 +>>14990982 (OP) +Probably one of the best ricky posts. Yep, Jesus Christ is the Christ and the only way, the only truth, and the only life. +All are made to kneel and bow before the Lord, christians just already did willingly and that is the only way to go to heaven is by accepting the forgiveness of your sins from God's Son through the only name God gave to man is Jesus! +--- 14992246 +>>14990982 (OP) +just pray lmao +https://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy +--- 14992264 +>>14991518 +Look bro, I won't try to stop you if you try to start posting your love for God and His Son after you make a post like this, but you'd have to stay dedicated and build that relationship with Jesus and never be wishy washy again. Aka I forgive you and God bless you but you are headed for hell. +--- 14992383 +>>14992264 +--- 14992411 +>>14991790 +>Answered yourself. +Where does Jesus say in the bible "I am God worship me"? +Jesus said to the rich young man. Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. +Mark 10:18 +--- 14992500 +>>14992411 +Hello mr. Deedat. See John 9:37-39 +--- 14992517 +>>14991518 +>being 12 years old on 4chan +--- 14992524 +>>14991012 +>Catholics are heretics +Kek +--- 14992748 +>>14992500 +>See John 9:37-39. +Jesus was a messenger of God. God had created him especially for his mission. + +Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations +--- 14992780 +>>14992748 +>Jesus was a messenger of God. God had created him especially for his mission. +Ignoring the fact you just completely fled from the previous topic to start preaching, Jesus was indeed the messenger of God who was sent into this world. Though He existed in the very form of God, He did not count equality with God something to hold at all costs, but took on the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that to the name of Jesus every knee should bend and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. +--- 14992831 +>>14992780 +>hough He existed in the very form of God, He did not count equality with God. +Blatant contradiction. +You cannot be fully human and fully God, meanwhile also pray to God at the same time. +Why did Jesus say "Oh Lord why have you Forsaken me" when he was supposedly crucified? +If Jesus was God why did he get irrationally angry at a fig tree? +"Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again…” Mark 11:12-14 + + +In John 20:17, Disputes Trinity: "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God." +--- 14992857 +>>14991007 +https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-texas-pastors-charged-abusing-children-1765910?amp=1 +--- 14992876 +>>14990982 (OP) +I'd rather not enter that shitty kingdom anyways. I renounce Christ and their dishonorable god +--- 14992880 +>>14992383 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5t4p2RcaNY [Embed] +--- 14993274 +>>14992831 +>You cannot be fully human and fully God, meanwhile also pray to God at the same time. +So, do you make the rules? If so, then know that God made the rules specifically to break them. + +>fig tree +This is a physical metaphor for the Judaic leadership. They bore no fruit. +--- 14993466 +>>14990993 +>Go worship money +The Catholic Church is one of the richest entities on the planet. +--- 14993486 +>>14990982 (OP) +>salvation +From what? + +>Atheists, of course, will suffer the most +From whose action? +--- 14993751 +>>14990982 (OP) +Religions are outdated anyway and the future of spirituality lies in NDEs as they are real and prove that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die. + +Here is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real: + +https://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o [Embed] + +It emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out: + +https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist + +>"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, "An afterlife definitely exists"." + +Since NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison. + +Or as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE: + +>"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved." + +Needless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs. +--- 14993763 +>>14991518 +Nice Chinese replica, Nguyen +--- 14993768 +>Lmao Catholics are so hilarious when they try to claim the intellectual high ground. You still believe in most of the same iron age superstitious bullshit as the snake handlers do. +--- 14993976 +>>14993486 +>From whose action? +Their own, obviously. diff --git a/his/14991025.txt b/his/14991025.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..3332c21a784b2c32b7d93a15ce4b23dedb8661b7 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14991025.txt @@ -0,0 +1,129 @@ +----- +--- 14991025 +>Britain's Prime Minister and King are both pagans +What are the implications of this? Is England a pagan country again? +--- 14991039 +>>14991025 (OP) +The Lion represents England and unicorn is Scotland, I think? +--- 14991044 +>>14991025 (OP) +--- 14991052 +>>14991025 (OP) +By law according to Parliament, the King has to be Protestant whether he likes it or not. +--- 14991057 +>>14991044 +It's a symbol of Spring... because the coronation is now in Spring. +Not to say Charles isn't sketchy. He is for a lot of other reasons. But this is silly. +--- 14991062 +>>14991044 +he's positioning himself to be the head of all British faiths, which makes sense given anglican church attendance is non-existent and the power sharing agreement requires the church to actually have power +--- 14991071 +>>14991052 +"Protestant" in Anglicanism doesn't mean a whole lot. You could get to the very edge of Anglo-Catholic, and still be Anglican. Or the lowest of the low Churchmen evangelicals, and still be Anglican. +--- 14991082 +>>14991052 +by law by shmore, + +whats the mechanism for enforcement? is the law actually written down and is there an actual legal context for its use? or is it just some archaic common law tome that was used one time during the glorious revolution and never again? +--- 14991086 +>>14991071 +He still has his role in respect to the Church of Scotland, the Presbyterian one. +--- 14991091 +>>14991082 +They were willing to shift the entire family line towards the German end just to avoid Catholic heirs taking the throne. Must be something written down. +--- 14991093 +>>14991082 +>is the law actually written down +Yes, get your head out of your asshole, republican retard. + +Laws don't expire just because they're old and you don't like them. +--- 14991128 +>>14991091 +yeah when the country was actually fucking religious a hundred years ago + +>>14991093 +allow me to introduce the wonderful world of english common law, not sure why you think im a republican though +--- 14991144 +Green Man is merely a medieval church decoration. It did not come from any pagan cult. +--- 14991150 +>>14991025 (OP) +>King Charles +>Pagan +Wrong. +--- 14991152 +>>14991128 +>yeah when the country was actually fucking religious a hundred years ago +I understand. I guess they're just slow to change. +Interestingly, Prince Phillip's mom became an Orthodox nun later in life (or some kind of cloistered role). They had ties to even Greece at one point, and this rubbed off on some in their circles. +--- 14991186 +>>14991128 +The law says the monarch must me Protestant. +Cry in the corner and dial 8. + +The Act of Settlement of 1701, The Coronation Oath Act of 1688 +--- 14991254 +>>14991150 +>it contains the magic tree parts +>not pagan +--- 14991258 +>>14991254 +>Christianity is pagan! +what a cope +--- 14991264 +>>14991254 +Relics are biblical. If you don't like it, that's your problem, but it isn't pagan. +>Elijah's mantle +>And God did extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, so that handkerchiefs or aprons were carried away from his body to the sick, and diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them.-Acts 19:11-12 +--- 14991271 +>>14991258 +Cope with what you braindamaged larper? +--- 14991300 +>>14991186 +who was the first person to take the coronation oath in 1688 and why hahah kek, i knew it! it was because of the glorious revolution, when we had a catholic monarch and the british parliament revolted and replaced him with the dutch william of orange, exactly what i said, some archaic law from a bygone time +--- 14991323 +>>14991300 +It's not archaic and bygone. +Elizabeth II took it, as will Charles III. + +Sneed! +--- 14991333 +>>14991271 +cope with reality +you literally called cross pagan just to prove that there is a pagan monarch +i am sorry that we have to bring you to reality +--- 14991341 +>>14991039 +>historylets enters /his/ +--- 14991344 +>>14991323 +man youre really grinding my gears, im gonna outshoot you so hard on longbow practice on sunday after church, then we'll see who's laughing +--- 14991348 +>>14991344 +Your arrow will not pierce the Book of Common Prayer. +--- 14991368 +>>14991057 +>>14991044 +>>14991144 +It's also on St. George's Orthodox feast day in the Julian Calendar, who is associated with the Green Man (who is really just Al-Khidr or Enoch or Hermes/Thoth symbolised). + +King Charles should have disdain for the Anglican church yet its his duty. He is a Traditionalist, there is no way in Hell he actually believes in Anglicanism. He has written in all sorts of perennialist religious journals/publications such as World Wisdom. At best he is Orthodox like his grandmother or he is part of some 'masonic' 'mystery school'. +--- 14991412 +Regular reminder that the "Green Man" is found in churches and Christian imagery going back about 1000 years and it was only in the 1930s did some random hack claim they represented super secret pagans hiding symbols out in the open. +--- 14991415 +>>14991341 +I left a question mark at the end. You don't have to be a cunt about it. Educate me, if you want. +--- 14991439 +>>14991412 +It's always some schizo redneck. They did that with the "New King James Bible" because it's logo was originally a Triquetra (picrel). It was taken from the Book of Kells and often used in medieval Celtic stonework as well. But since it had some pagan use before that, they lost their minds. +--- 14993095 +>>14991254 +cope protestard +--- 14993161 +>>14991044 +It's hilarious these conservative chaps still think the sovereign is anything other than an inbred retard with a fetish for sand niggers. +--- 14994633 +>>14991025 (OP) +it has been since henri viii +--- 14994807 +>>14991052 +By Divine Right of Monarchy Anglo-Saxon Kings Descend from Woden and are sanctified by Ingui-Frea diff --git a/his/14991049.txt b/his/14991049.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..7df32c77d04045c8e0e1450784bea286b0066e18 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14991049.txt @@ -0,0 +1,13 @@ +----- +--- 14991049 +Probably we first need to define it or maybe it's impossible to know as of now but then perhaps the closest to it from our understanding. Maybe if we understand things through philosophy then we should do it as much as possible and for now this is best action we can undertake until we find out the truth? +--- 14991065 +>>14991049 (OP) +When it clicks +--- 14991136 +>>14991065 +What? +--- 14992100 +Bump... +--- 14993201 +Bump! diff --git a/his/14991135.txt b/his/14991135.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1d96faf59111f7cb0256ec5feaf3f5a95420fa46 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14991135.txt @@ -0,0 +1,25 @@ +----- +--- 14991135 +Wouldn’t it make more sense to just divide these countries territory 50-50 instead of giving them de jure independence ? +--- 14991138 +>>14991135 (OP) +You forgot Czechia +--- 14991141 +Countries being annexed infuriates the anglo-american world and triggers an irrational fear of the ghost of hitler +--- 14991159 +>>14991135 (OP) +Good luck annexing Afghanistan lol +--- 14992443 +>>14991135 (OP) +its mean +--- 14992474 +>>14991135 (OP) +Need somewhere to fight proxy wars +--- 14992626 +most of them were territories only valuable insofar as they were important to great game politics between nations. Without any noteworthy resources to exploit it was easier to create buffer states that would serve the same purpose without requiring direct administration and any headaches that would entail. +--- 14993526 +Afghanistan fought several wars for their independence and kept it by winning. + +Finland was never independent historically. Not a buffer state. + +Mongolia was part of the Qing and Russia for the last 300 years. Not a buffer state. diff --git a/his/14991148.txt b/his/14991148.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4c913c9c2d4f30e8aaa260c0222b09781de1e4e4 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14991148.txt @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +----- +--- 14991148 +>"Israel settled in Shitim, and the people began to commit harlotry with the daughters of Moav. [The women] called the people to the sacrifices of their gods, and the people ate and bowed down to their gods. Israel attached itself to Baal Peor, and the wrath of Hashem flared against Israel." (Bamidbar 25:3) + +>It is safe to say that the most disgusting form of avodah zarah (idolatry) mentioned in Tanach is the worship of Baal Peor. The character of this mode of worship is alluded to in the name of the deity itself. "Peor" (פ.ע.ר.) means "to open," and denotes "the opening of an orifice" - in this case, the rectum, as we shall soon see. Thus, "Baal Peor" means "Master of the Rectum Opening." The method of Baal Peor's worship is codified by Torah she'baal Peh (the Oral Torah) in Sanhedrin 7:6: + +>"One who defecates on Baal Peor is liable, for this is how it is customarily worshiped." + +>The Gemara (Sanhedrin 64a) provides a rather vivid description of how this worship was implemented in practice: + +>"Rav Yehudah said in the name of Rav: There was an incident involving a gentile woman who was very sick. She said, "If I am healed, I will go and worship all of the avodah zarah in the world." She was healed, and went to worship all of the avodah zarah in the world. But when she came to the avodah zarah of Peor, she asked [one of] the priests, "How do you worship this one?" He said, "You eat and drink laxatives and defecate in its face." She said, "I would rather be sick again than to worship avodah zarah like this!"." +--- 14991151 +>The Gemara then reports that the highest level of Baal Peor worship was, sadly, demonstrated by a Jew: + +>"But the Jews were not that way... There was an incident involving Savta ben Elas who rented out his donkey to a gentile woman. When they reached Peor she said to him, "Wait here until I go in, [worship], and come out." After she came out he said to her, "You, too, wait for me until I go in, [worship], and come out." She asked him, "But aren't you a Jew?" He responded, "That's none of your business." He went in, defecated in its face, and wiped himself on its nose, causing the priests to praise him saying, "We've never seen anyone worship like this before!"." + +>Those who learn these facts about Baal Peor for the first time are likely to react by falling to their knees, gazing heavenward with outspread palms, and exclaiming, "WHYYYY????" + +>As "civilized Westerners" with "modern sensibilities" it is difficult enough to relate to the standard modes of avodah zarah, such as bowing down to a statue or offering incense and libations - but at least we can understand the appeal in such rituals. Baal Peor, on the other hand, runs contrary to all of our common-sense assumptions about religion, both modern and primitive. To my knowledge, human feces is regarded as repulsive across all cultures and time periods. The notion of a religion built around bowel movements strikes us as absurd +--- 14991154 +>The question is: What was the appeal of Baal Peor? [1] How could dung be elevated to the level of devotion? How could people regard excrement as sacrament? How could poo prove piety? ... okay, that's enough scat-talk for now + +>Today I came across an explanation given by Rav Hirsch [2] which opened up [3] an entirely new world of insight for me. He writes: + +>"There were various baalim, deified powers. There was Baal Tzefon, a midnight god of the desert (Shemos 14:2). In contrast, there was Baal Maon (Bamidbar 32:38), a god of dwelling places, and Baal Bris (Shoftim 8:33), a god of the union of people. There was also Baal Zevuv (Melachim II 1:2), apparently a god of decay to whom they would turn in times of illness and inquire of him about life and death." + +>"And there was also Baal Peor, a god of shamelessness, who was worshiped by giving brazen prominence to the most bestial aspects of human life. Hence, Hoshea says: "They came to Baal Peor and dedicated (va'yinazru - from the same root as "nazir") themselves to shamefulness" (Hoshea 9:10) - [that is to say, they] sanctified/designated themselves for shamefulness." + +>The cult of Peor is an illustration of the type of Darwinism that glories in man's descent to the level of the beast, where, stripping himself of his Divinely-given nobility, he comes to regard himself as merely a highly-developed animal +--- 14991163 +>>14991148 (OP) +>>14991151 +>>14991154 +What are the historical reasons for this? +--- 14991166 +>>14991148 (OP) +>>14991151 +>>14991154 +Ain’t nothing wrong with paying for the gods blessing to have a nice, healthy, poop. Especially at a time when diarrhea could kill you. Even today, pagans like the Easy Asians And Indians still worship poop gods and toilet gods, etc. it’s not as disgusting and people try to make it seem. +--- 14991354 +>>14991163 +I was reading a doujin about it. +--- 14991394 +>>14991386 +Proceed +--- 14991467 +Imagine the smell... +--- 14991599 +End. + +Source: https://nhentai.to/g/322613 +--- 14992845 +>>14991148 (OP) +>>14991151 +>>14991154 +90s megaten mentioned +>90s megaten mentioned +90s megaten mentioned +>90s megaten mentioned +90s megaten mentioned +>90s megaten mentioned +90s megaten mentioned +>90s megaten mentioned +90s megaten mentioned +>90s megaten mentioned +--- 14992953 +God punish the Japanese. +--- 14993300 +>>14992953 +Sneed, Cope, Seethe and Dilate. +--- 14994235 +>>14991405 +>ScatLite™ +>>14991579 +>NTR +>>14992953 +Seconded +--- 14994279 +>>14994235 +Sekai is her platonic love, Cuckfag. +--- 14994516 +>>14991148 (OP) +something something germans! + +*checks thread to see if someone else beat me to it* diff --git a/his/14991155.txt b/his/14991155.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4e89e7bb0842c401cdddd0695aa3d6d042c263dc --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14991155.txt @@ -0,0 +1,25 @@ +----- +--- 14991155 +What do atheists think Jesus really was? +--- 14991157 +in the story hes a rabbi. in reality he didn't exist. +--- 14991162 +>>14991155 (OP) +>atheists +>think + +please rephrase +--- 14991167 +>>14991155 (OP) +Hellenised jewish mystic. He hated gentiles. +--- 14991173 +>>14991155 (OP) +They bounce between total myth and apocalyptic Jewish sectarian. +--- 14991327 +>>14991155 (OP) +A 4'6 Jewish rabbi that was crucified for being a weirdo +--- 14991406 +Some cult leader. I remember reading somewhere that the region was absolutely rife with cults and wannabe saviors of mankind at that time +--- 14993138 +>>14991406 +Not really much different from today. diff --git a/his/14991188.txt b/his/14991188.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1a454b09e73036201fbeef50992a9a1bf5a68704 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14991188.txt @@ -0,0 +1,43 @@ +----- +--- 14991188 +ITT people who literally and unironically got TOO COCKY +--- 14991197 +>>14991188 (OP) +--- 14992427 +>>14991188 (OP) +bump +--- 14992492 +Mohács was a mistake. +--- 14992790 +>>14991188 (OP) +It’s funny you post that thumbnail because in the video he explains how Crassus actions weren’t as foolish as it’s commonly believed +--- 14992875 +>>14991188 (OP) +Napoleonbros...we were on the verge of greatness, we were this close ((shows fingers)) to bringing peace and security for Europe. +--- 14992888 +>>14991188 (OP) +Should have left Vietnam alone +--- 14992952 +>>14992790 +So, what, the Parthians were just geniuses? No Roman could ever be a gigantic retard, those horse guys were just all Alexander-tier generals and each one of them could smite Jupiter himself with his bow and arrows. +--- 14992965 +>>14992952 +Medshits couldn't compete with Aryan Parthians. +--- 14992978 +>>14992952 +The Parthians were pretty good on that occasion and Crassus happened to be a mediocre general but certainly not a massive retard you should watch the thing +--- 14992986 +>>14991188 (OP) +Idk Amin +--- 14992996 +>>14992986 +*Idi +--- 14993139 +>>14992978 +>Crassus happened to be a mediocre general but certainly not a massive retard you should watch the thing +Dude saved Sulla's life and won Sulla that cvil war +--- 14993154 +>>14991188 (OP) +--- 14993224 +>>14991188 (OP) +THEY'RE NOT RUNNING OUT OF ARROWS!!!! diff --git a/his/14991385.txt b/his/14991385.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4faf993be369e111119cddb4b6289b5a5e913568 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14991385.txt @@ -0,0 +1,50 @@ +----- +--- 14991385 +Is he the most based historian out there today? +--- 14991428 +I find his picking on Ukraine lately to be pretty distasteful but otherwise he's very well spoken and makes many excellent points, especially when it comes to examining the absurdities plaguing modern western societies. +--- 14991792 +>>14991385 (OP) +I like his phlegmy old man coughs. +--- 14993045 +>>14991385 (OP) +The inspiration for this meme came from a comment left under one of his videos +--- 14993126 +>>14991385 (OP) +Hello again! +--- 14993140 +>>14991385 (OP) +Coping white dinosaur that will be replaced by his pakistani and polish superiors +--- 14993321 +>>14993140 +>pakistani +>superiors +lmao +--- 14993406 +>>14993321 +cope +--- 14993413 +>>14991385 (OP) +Almost too based +--- 14993619 +>>14993406 +pakistanis are certainly superior to all others at fucking their own cousins/nieces and shitting out spasticated abominations. +--- 14993626 +>>14991385 (OP) +Give me a rundown on this character. Whats his best videos? +--- 14993639 +>>14991385 (OP) +>blacks are le bad! +--- 14993664 +>>14991385 (OP) +Quite cringe and dumb to be honest. And he looks like Waluigi. +--- 14993721 +>>14993626 +I like his videos defending Churchill's legacy. +--- 14993798 +>>14991385 (OP) +Good but somewhat dim. +--- 14994103 +>>14993639 +He doesn't say that though. He's obviously fed up with the reluctance of society to be honest about the differences between blacks and other people and some of the problems that they have/cause. +If you watch enough of his videos it seems like he has plenty of years of experience of interactions with black people so he's probably not just ignorantly talking shit. diff --git a/his/14991509.txt b/his/14991509.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..99c78d781ad0eacb3dea9b21f67838e1419eff7c --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14991509.txt @@ -0,0 +1,39 @@ +----- +--- 14991509 +Post your favourite female warrior from history +--- 14991523 +> in b4 spy +intelligence gathering is war +--- 14991557 +>>14991509 (OP) +--- 14993448 +not letting this die for a religious/haploshitter thread +--- 14993505 +>>14991523 +you only like her because she was hot. pic rel is probably the best female spy (that we know of). +--- 14993707 +>>14991523 +If you're going to post a spy, at least post a female spy who was also a fighter. +--- 14993711 +>>14993505 +that looks like a tranny +--- 14993736 +>>14991509 (OP) +>Lyudmila Pavlichenko +>Soviet sniper with 309 kills +An actual badass and not just someone overhyped from having a vagina. +--- 14993743 +>>14991523 +Would. +--- 14993749 +>>14993707 +Also would. +--- 14993764 +>>14993711 +that looks like an inexplicably average German women. you terminally online freaks would be surprised to know what a lot of women really looked like before cosmetics became a common commodity. +--- 14993881 +>>14993707 +wew +--- 14993890 +>>14993711 +German women look like trannies. diff --git a/his/14991525.txt b/his/14991525.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..733a8d329ad937231161983533533376d219c24e --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14991525.txt @@ -0,0 +1,61 @@ +----- +--- 14991525 +What does /his/ think of reconstruction of previously lost sites and objects for the better upstanding of it. +Pic related is from a group of train autists rebuilding a train from the 1930s in order to show it off to future generations +--- 14991565 +I approve. I particularly like the post-war work done on Auschwitz. +--- 14991629 +>>14991525 (OP) +All the money that went into that retarded abomination could have been used to improve roads, but instead commie subhumans wasted it on a vanity project which supports no one but subhumans and niggers +--- 14992143 +>>14991525 (OP) +I think it depends on the object being reconstructed and which time period is chosen for the reconstruction. +A good example is the newly reconstruced Berlin Palace, which current eastern facade has been built in a bare modern style, over the historically accurate baroque style. The whole story of the eastern side is really interesting as the existing eastern side was not renovated in the classicist manner one would associate with the Hohenzollern palace; thus it remained laregly unchanged even into the 20th century. +Here the the question stands why the eastern side was not reconstructed in the original manner, as it would be a stark contrast to the classical "prussian" image of the palace. +--- 14992148 +>>14991629 +>you have to spend your money according to my will +Ok pinko +--- 14992152 +Here a model of the eastern side +--- 14992162 +And here a photography. +--- 14992180 +>>14991525 (OP) + +T1s are cringe + +Build a new New York Central Hudson goddamnit. +--- 14992520 +The problem with reconstructing sites is that you can end up destroying or "tainting" part of the original construction that's useful for archeological research: + +The moment you dig into something or deconstruct it, you lose the context of how it was built and what was positioned where relative to other things, so unless you're documenting it as you go you're losing information. And researchers are hesitant to take the plunge if it's not going to leave a lot of the site untouched because they don't want to disturb everything now in the present when in 10 or 50 or 100 years we may have additional technologies or methods that could get more useful observations out of doing it. + +That's why, say, it was a lot more common for sites to see signifcant reconstructive work done on them in Mesoamerica in the early 20th century then it is now: People weren't as concerned with provenance and methodology then as they are now, and sure enough some structures like the Pyramid of the Sun at Teotihuacan or the Great Pyramid of Cholula or the Temple of Kukulkan at Chichen itza have some speculatory or outright wrong elements to their reconstruction as a result. + +I do think it's annoying and frustrating that such reconstructions went as far as they did but still don't have paint and show the bare masonry or structural fill. If the exterior is already a lost cause as far as dating and archeological context they may as well go the extra mile and cover it in stucco and paint to show how they would have looked fully painted in their heyday. + +I also think it would be cool if, assuming it doesn't cause humidity issues, you could build a protective "shell" around structures which is in the shape of how it originally looked and is fully painted. Like after the roof collapsed over the House of the Eagles and the Templo Mayor in Mexico City it'd be neat if it was a life sized, pyramid shaped roof that was fully painted. That or using VR headsets, etc. +--- 14992572 +>>14992520 + +You can always rebuild it, but not at the original site. +--- 14992587 +>>14991525 (OP) +>>14992180 +It fascinates me how there are at least 2 train autists on this board and they both hate each other because they simp for 2 railroads that no longer exist and hated each other +--- 14992734 +>>14992587 + +I don't hate OP or the PRR, I just hate T1s. I like K4s, GG1s, and even the early Metroliners strangely enough, but the T1s were butt-ugly and they simply weren't very good engines,. +--- 14992947 +>>14992572 +Yeah, but for truly monumental structures that's not realistic + +They did that for the Rosalila temple at Copan, see pic, but I'm not a fan of the replica because the paint finish they used looiks sort of ugly and isn't accurate, the paint used on the actual structure had reflective flakes mixed in so it would have been glittery and metallic +--- 14994000 +>>14992734 +What are your thoughts on the S1 +--- 14994073 +>>14991525 (OP) +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHkKJfcBXcw [Embed] diff --git a/his/14991542.txt b/his/14991542.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..3ebc3a2e8b3ee779ea384ce26dd6537e71a927ed --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14991542.txt @@ -0,0 +1,59 @@ +----- +--- 14991542 +If you have no food or money, why cant you steal? +--- 14991669 +I'm not stealing, I'm sharing, sharing other people's stuff with me +--- 14991681 +>>14991542 (OP) +It's a sin +--- 14991695 +>>14991542 (OP) +Because God provides. If you aren't relying on God you go to hell, accept Jesus today before it is too late. +--- 14991703 +>>14991669 +Sharing is good, some reason modern society hates sharing. +--- 14991708 +>>14991542 (OP) +It's less than perfect. +--- 14991773 +Man does not live by bread alone, but every word that comes from the mouth of God. + +This man has the means to fill his hunger, yet has done nothing to earn his own bread. Why would he be trusted with spiritual matters if he can't be trusted with doing what the animals are capable of doing? + +You will know a tree by its fruit. Many people convince themselves that they have discovered the truth, yet inwardly they are ravenous wolves. They will act out of fear of death, thinly disguised as some other reason or motivation. Survival for it's own sake has no love. + +If he dies without bitterness in his heart, because his only choices were thievery or starvation, then this will be a righteous man who performed no unkind act and will sit at the master's table. +--- 14991851 +>>14991542 (OP) +>what are alms +--- 14993226 +>>14991542 (OP) +Because the greater virtue would be to sacrifice yourself. If you're willing to do act x under the justification of survival - then you're no good. +--- 14993245 +>>14993226 +It's a conscious act. Every conscious act is one that flies in the face of how one feels - or is lead to behave in this world. + +Because that's what sacrifice is. +--- 14993259 +>>14993245 +Believe me - I get the irony. +Wasting time here on 4-chan. +--- 14993444 +>>14991542 (OP) +8th commandment. God HIMSELF told you not to steal, your retarded excuse isn't enough. Go dig up some worms or something and eat them instead. +--- 14994020 +>>14991542 (OP) +You can. Theft is actually not a sin. +--- 14994090 +>>14991542 (OP) +Proverbs 6:30-31 +>Men do not despise a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry +>But if he be found, he shall restore sevenfold; he shall give all the substance of his house. +--- 14994136 +>>14991542 (OP) +if you legaiize it people will stretch their definition of need. also if you just help yourself you just push for selfihness in 2 ways: +>not worrying about the needs of others +>never asking for help +it kills the fabric of society by economic and social death. no incentive to improve your life either. +people usually don't starve in rich countries because associations/fundations/churches distribute food and the homeless are also subject to financial help from the state in many places. +if you're poor in a poor country and really are literally starving then why not, exceptionally. but asking for help usually is more productive. diff --git a/his/14991707.txt b/his/14991707.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1019fb29127f1e031c23efe5a2bb4c3c3798aee2 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14991707.txt @@ -0,0 +1,157 @@ +----- +--- 14991707 +where he claims ancient Ethiopians were "the whitest white people as white as modern Swedes" or something to that effect. +--- 14991714 +>>14991707 (OP) +Not history. +Not humanities. +Go back. +--- 14991791 +>>14991707 (OP) +Dinarized hallstat pheno +--- 14991857 +>>14991707 (OP) +Sspehr is a dirty kike +--- 14991908 +>>14991791 +>>14991707 (OP) +Who is that +--- 14991967 +>>14991857 +>A Jew who spouts White supremacist talking points +WHAT'S GOING ON? +--- 14992028 +>>14991967 +They have a lot of advanced psyops that involve the utilization of nonlinear models. I've been saying this shit for ages. It's worse now with data mining capabilities. +--- 14992075 +>>14992028 +What would be the aim of this specific psyop?Whites who lean right are the most likely to be Jew wary and are also the ones most likely to already hold the racialist views Sepehr espouses on history, so what is the profit? +--- 14992087 +>>14992075 +Check out Christopher Jon Bjerknes. +Jews don't care about anything but consolidating their wealth and fulfilling Messianic prophecies. At least 1/4th of the top rank NS were Jews themselves. They play with both extremes to fulfill Messianic prophecies and more. +Some of the biggest promoters of antisemitism and Nordicism have likewise been Jews. +They are the architects of both the left and right. +--- 14992315 +>>14992087 +Bjerknes is borderline nuts. What is it you think Robert is trying to accomplish if you think he is controlled op? +--- 14992454 +>>14991707 (OP) +Gotchu, senpai. +--- 14992526 +>>14992454 +Thanks. +--- 14992549 +>>14991967 +Jews invented transgenderism yet the anti trans movement is led by jews like Ben Shapiro and Chaya Raychik. +>WHAT'S GOING ON? +They want to control everything so they control discourse and your own thinking. Dr. Pierce once noted that even though 90% of the anti gun lobby figures are jewish, they also founded some astroturfed pro gun organization and made sure it had "jews" in their name. Needless to say, they're all bad. They will slowly introduce kikery into the discourse while pretending to be the "good guys", look at jews like Bronze Age Pervert who keep promoting homosexuality and Trump while pretending to be Aryan fascists, or kikes like Moldbug who come out against "equality" and "communism" and then want us to adopt some judaic theocracy ruled by kikes and faggots. They will also get boosted by the establishment media while pretending they're enemies. +Once you notice it it's impossible to stop noticing. +--- 14992558 +>>14992075 +>>14992028 +Even aside form that, he is kind of a gate keeper and keeps people going round and round instead of letting them progress into the esoteric on their own. +--- 14992586 +>>14992558 +Nah I am bodhi mantra and have been researching this stuff for 20 years and also have a minor in anthropology myself and most of his stuff is right on the money and the stuff that I disagree with is negligible and insignificant really. There is no angle here, at last not one he has revealed. You can't just say "reeeeee jew so controlled op!" It doesn't work like that bruh +--- 14992595 +>>14992586 +You're a kike yourself +--- 14992607 +>>14992586 +I didn't say "reeeeee jew so controlled op!". I said he is a gatekeeper. +--- 14992608 +>>14992595 +HAHAHAHA, exactly what I expected from a mouth breather like you. btw his dad was jewish. not his mother which means he isnt jewish bv their own rules so w/e. You are for an absolute certainty a stone cold retard however +--- 14992611 +>>14992586 +>A wild Jew appears. +--- 14992620 +>>14992607 +gatekeeping what? + + +>>14992611 +take your meds and take a nappy, adults are talking right now +--- 14992634 +>>14992454 +>Kush was as white as Sweden. +Must be why the ancient Ethiopians were consistently described and depicted as being the blackest set of people on the planet and why the etymology of the words 'Kush" and "Ethiopia" relate to black or very dark skin. +--- 14992647 +>>14992620 +He repeats the same thing over and over again. I haven't seen him progress or give pointers beyond basic stuff. This hooks people into stuff that is true, but only in a limited value. +--- 14992655 +>>14992620 +>It used deflect +--- 14992661 +>>14992454 +Kek. People like this guy, or ironically people like Afrocentrism’s, just make their people look inferior by virtue of either being consistently conquered or easily replaced. +--- 14992668 +>>14992608 +Fuck off Robert +--- 14992671 +>>14992647 +>He repeats the same thing over and over again +There is only so much you can really tell people about how history and academia is pozzed, especially on jewtube. He gives sources, what else do you expect him to do call for a NatSoc revolution? +--- 14992685 +>>14992671 +I don't expect a NatSoc revolution. I also don't expected people being hooked on the mere tip of truth to be a good thing either. +--- 14992692 +>>14992685 +>tip +So what exactly do you think the base is and what do you expect this dude to do about it kek +--- 14992704 +>>14992685 +If robert is just the tip name a source that takes a "deep dive" kek. He goes as close tot he edge as you possibly can on jewtube imo. I am open to hear your logic on this however, but you dont seem to be coming to logical conclusions +--- 14992710 +>>14992692 +I haven't gotten to the base, but I have moved on from the shore/tip. I don't expect him to do this for a living. This is borederline Alexander of Abonoteichus tier behavior. +--- 14992725 +>>14992704 +Looking for a "source that takes a "deep dive"" is a problem. Wanting to be spoonfed, and getting addicted to baby's first redpill isn't going to take the addict anywhere. His loyal viewers stick year after year, listening to the same thing without moving on. +--- 14992741 +>>14992725 +>>14992710 +you are not a reasonable person, these are not reasonable comments. you seem to think some dude making anthropology videos is supposed to be the messiah of ..... idk what. +--- 14992756 +>>14992741 +>you seem to think some dude making anthropology videos is supposed to be the messiah of ..... idk what. +No, that is projection. I don't expect a messiah. I expect temporary teachers who don't keep their students for years on end. It ends up like a stagnant cult. His own cultists treat him as someone next to a messiah. Your lack of seeing reason in finding the truth for itself instead of regurgitating the same thing over and over is due to your own attachment. +--- 14992775 +>>14992756 +>that is projection +ROFL, how the fuck could this possibly be projection? Do you understand what projection is? You are a legit retard. You could said that from jump and saved me the time of engaging with you +--- 14992803 +>>14992775 +You see a non-existent requirement of someone needing to be a messiah in my post. It is obviously not there, yet you are compelled to say it. You have been following him for so long that you have subconsciously begun to see him as your savior figure, and validate what little he says with what you have learned. Spending so much time about so little in favor of someone is next to seeing him as a messiah. Now you obviously do not like such a notion, so you cast it aside, hate it, and project it onto someone else who doesn't see the notion as necessary/ doesn't have a positive or negative view of it. That is your attachment. +--- 14992842 +>>14992803 +>You see a non-existent requirement of someone needing to be a messiah in my post +This has nothing to do with what projection means ..... + +Last (YOU) +--- 14992864 +>>14992842 +Your ego denies things about yourself that it doesn't like and attributes them to me. I never said anything about a messiah or a perfect leader, and yet you saw this non-existent thing in what I said. You are too unstable to hold a proper conversation with. +--- 14992881 +>>14992549 +So you're basically saying we never stood a chance. +--- 14992887 +>>14992864 +>goes into full blown psychotic fan fics about people he knows nothing about +Take your meds psycho +--- 14993046 +No one would care about Robert Sepehr if he came out with darker phenotypes. +--- 14993072 +whites are literally the only race who have demonstrated the ability to build and maintain complex, multi-story structures. + +ancient egypt, ancient china, the aztecs, etc... all were built by whites. can someone explain why those ancient civilizations collapsed? can someone explain why browns werent able to top their ancient strucutres?. you'd think that if the natives actually built those things, they'd be able to maintain them and build more, right? +--- 14993120 +>>14992887 +You need meds more than me. I have been thoroughly evaluated and there is no psychological irregularity/mental illness with me. +--- 14993252 +>>14993072 +None of those civilizations were created by whites but they were eventually overrun by them once their greatness waned. That's where the collapse happened. Whites only legacy is that of inheriting and then whitewashing. I owe you nothing. Now fuck off. +--- 14993268 +>>14993252 +What is your race? diff --git a/his/14991786.txt b/his/14991786.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..6338e77ea31a02332915583c3a6b24f3a9c18296 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14991786.txt @@ -0,0 +1,165 @@ +----- +--- 14991786 +Name one bad thing Satan ever did in the Bible except expose God for the insecure, malevolent scumbag that he is. +--- 14991848 +>>14991786 (OP) +Satan isn't God's rival. God has no rivals. Duh. He's God. +Satan is YOUR rival. The only thing cares about is proving God shouldn't have made (You). God's the only who has your back, and yet you're seething. +--- 14991865 +>>14991848 +God shouldn't have made hominid creatures with barbarous primal instincts that can't be overcome, I agree with Satan. God must be a fucking moron. +--- 14991882 +The worst thing Satan did was try and pick a losing fight with God. He and his ilk and all those he leads astray will burn in the lake of fire. +--- 14991937 +>>14991882 +Will all the Neanderthals and Australopithecus also burn? +--- 14991969 +>>14991882 +>pick a losing fight with God. +If God is all powerful why doesn't God just snap his fingers and Satan would vanish? +--- 14991991 +>>14991865 +What hominin is that? +--- 14991993 +>>14991969 +He will in 2 more weeks (millennia) and throw him in the pit, then let him back out after 1 more millennia to do it all over again, according to Revelation. +--- 14991998 +>>14991937 +Source of this reconstruction? +--- 14992000 +>>14991969 +>ADAM! +>EVE! +>COME OUT FROM BEHIND THOSE TREES! +>I KNOW YOU'RE THERE. I CAN SMELL YOUR FEAR! +--- 14992009 +>>14991937 +Australopithecus was chimp-tier intellectually, possibly even dumber. +--- 14992012 +>>14991969 +There are still people repenting and finding God. A day and a thousand years and all that. + +>>14992000 +>I can smell you +https://youtu.be/FDQx-guzx2s [Embed] +--- 14992018 +>>14991937 +Do you have more archaic reconstructions? +--- 14992066 +>>14991937 +Why should they? Did they consciously choose for themselves to be their own arbiters of mercy or justice? Or did they only act by animal instinct? + +But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more. + +>>14991969 +Obviously God could defeat Satan through power alone. Just as he could force you to obey him. But God is love. God created everything and everyone out of love. God's will is to reconcile people to Himself. He wishes to be their kind and loving father. Wouldn't be very convincing if you didn't have free will, would it? +--- 14992122 +>>14992066 +>God is Love + +1 John 4:8 +The one who does not love does not know God, because God is love. + + +>What is Love? + +1 Corinthians 13:4-7 +Love is patient, love is kind, it is not jealous; love does not brag, it is not arrogant. It does not act disgracefully, it does not seek its own benefit; it is not provoked, does not keep an account of a wrong suffered, it does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; it keeps every confidence, it believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. + + +>God is Not Love + +>Love is kind +Psalm 137:9 How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your infants against the cliff. + +>Love is not jealous +Exodus 20:5 You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God + +>Love does not brag +Isaiah 44:7 ‘I am the first, and I am the last, and there is no God besides Me. Who is like Me? Let him call out and declare it. + +>Love does not seek its own benefit +Isaiah 43:7 Everyone who is called by My name, and whom I have created for My glory, whom I have formed, even whom I have made.” + +>Love is not provoked +Deuteronomy 9:7 Remember, do not forget how you provoked Yahweh your God to wrath in the wilderness + +>Love does not keep an account of wrong suffered +Revelation 20:12 And the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. + +>Love does not rejoice in unrighteousness +Isaiah 45:7 I form light and I create darkness; I make peace and I create evil; I am Yahweh; I do all these things. +--- 14992123 +>>14992066 +>Wouldn't be very convincing if you didn't have free will, would it? +Love is not coercion though. Love me or I will punish you for all eternity - Is something a psycho would say. Being forced to love someone is fucked up +--- 14992138 +>>14992122 +>nooo you can't just flood the earth and heckin kill my entire familyarinooo +--- 14992156 +>>14992138 +I thought you Christians believed in "objective moral values". +So murder is bad, but okay if the big boss in the sky does it? +--- 14992194 +>>14992156 +You don't seem to understand just how serious are God's laws and commandments. You'll complain about injustice in the world, yet you won't stop sinning. You'll complain about injustice in the world, yet you complain about judgement against the wicked. + +Do you know the state of the world before the flood? +>5. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually. +>6. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. + +And in Sodom, there weren't even 10 righteous and all of the city, both old and young, from every quarter, came out to gang rape the angels of God. Let me guess, you think God destroying Sodom is "murder" rather than justice too? +--- 14992220 +>>14992194 +God's fault, shouldn't have made Adam with a propensity towards eating forbidden fruit. +--- 14992239 +>>14992220 +The original sin isn't evil or unwanted, it's just the introduction of imperfection that allows adversity and the things you now tend to complain about like cancer. +--- 14992282 +>>14991786 (OP) +You mean Good? +--- 14992398 +>>14992123 +No one forces you to do anything. If you live your life as a sinner and reject mercy, you will earn justice. Don't say you've never sinned - that would be a lie. + +We have no points of pride. We have no things to love for their own sake. We are only stewards. We are called to leave them in better condition than they were given to us. I was a baby, a teenager, now a man. By God's will, I may become elderly. Who am I? What is my personality? What skills and attributes should I celebrate? The answer is none. I am a chess piece who has been moved by the chessmaster. There is no glory in the chesspiece who fills his role according to the rules. The glory belongs to the master who has achieved victory. + +>>14992156 +Who are my enemies? No one. Who is OK to harbor bitterness against? No one. When should justice and revenge be sought? Never. If I were to do these things, it would be exactly the same as a criminal who condemns criminals, which is dull hypocrisy. God will have mercy on who he will have mercy. + +It is not my place to provide mercy or justice. These things don't belong to me. But I know that God will give mercy freely and perform justice where required. + +>>14992122 +Do you think God has someone to be jealous of? Is there someone else who can claim the glory? Do you believe that you can stack up enough merit to pull a fast one on God and achieve paradise without Him? Do you believe that people who choose judgement won't be judged? God has told you these things for your benefit, not His. God has no particular need for you. +--- 14992426 +>>14991786 (OP) +Plunged scores of angels and the entire human race into wars, lies, sin, and death, followed by an eternity in the fires of Hell. +--- 14992535 +>>14992426 +Just EAT IT (eat it), EAT IT (eat it) +Open up your mouth and feed it! + +That religion is so fucking dumb. For people with the minds of children. +--- 14992543 +>>14991865 +You sound like the kind of guy on the precipice of Luciferianism. +--- 14992681 +>>14991865 +>can't be overcome +lol +--- 14992707 +>>14991786 (OP) +god was a pretty cool guy for creating this to BTFO christcucks eternally +https://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy +--- 14992746 +>>14992239 +>good bad +>bad good +--- 14994046 +>>14992746 +Only exist dependent on a goal. If you want to go forward then going backwards is bad. The implicit goal is always survival and reproduction which cancer is bad for. +--- 14994080 +God is a good God. God is beyond any label because God is just God. Satan is the reason for all of your problems. In the Bible, he makes the woman rebel which means the downfall for the man. All things work for my good so that means Satan also but spiritual babies cannot receive this. +--- 14994433 +>>14994080 +It is inescapably true that God made evil since he made all things. Therefore God is the root of all evil. Given that Satan is the moral inverse of God, that would mean that he is a source of good. diff --git a/his/14991838.txt b/his/14991838.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e3ae22827961ce6edb484f01100fcd33d374e7d2 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14991838.txt @@ -0,0 +1,321 @@ +----- +--- 14991838 +Stop hating white people +We created civilization +--- 14991846 +>>14991838 (OP) +>Stop hating white people +Racism is a good thing. Go back to r.ddit. +>We created civilization +Pretty sure agriculture and animal husbandry weren't invented by Whites. + +Don't bother replying. Your only response will be something like, "you're wrong because I hate nonwhites". +--- 14991855 +Your jew masters will ruin my life if I dont hate you +--- 14991863 +>>14991838 (OP) +You're green though +--- 14991866 +>>14991846 +You're wrong because i improved your agriculture. +--- 14991893 +>>14991838 (OP) +Kek +--- 14991899 +>>14991838 (OP) +nigger kike +--- 14991907 +I AM A WHITE MAN, HATE ME MORE, I HAVEN'T SEEN PEACE FOR 4000 YEARS, HATE ME MORE GIVE ME ANOTHER WAR +--- 14991916 +I mean it's kinda true though. +--- 14991919 +>>14991838 (OP) +The only thing that would save the white race from extinction is for most (or all) white women to have at least 2 white kids while young, but because they're white women, that is never going to happen. +Enjoy your decline. +--- 14991942 +>>14991919 +Enjoy the death of humanity and progress +--- 14991943 +>>14991838 (OP) +you deserve more than just hate +--- 14991947 +>>14991943 +--- 14991956 +>>14991943 +What did you invent chang? +--- 14991975 +>>14991942 +kek You white people consider cut off genitals and easier ways kys and your prosperity as progress. +If we're supposed to miss whites, you're making it difficult for the rest of us. +--- 14991997 +>>14991975 +You're terminally online, plus I don't really understand your broken English. +--- 14992010 +>>14991838 (OP) +But we didn't really. Look up Uruk and go from there. Civilisation was born out of plenty. There came a time when there was enough food, resources and defensive capabilities and as a result it gave people time for religious and social pursuits hence the first cities were born. This happened in the middle east and Mesopotamia +--- 14992017 +>>14992010 +only europeans matter +--- 14992020 +>>14991975 +>being so angry you can't even speak english properly +A bunch of subhumans your kind is, a bunch of subhumans you will stay. +>muh trannies +you have far more trannies than us lol +--- 14992024 +>>14991838 (OP) +--- 14992027 +>>14991947 +>>14991956 +we don't have short term memory, you're going to pay +--- 14992032 +>>14992010 +Then you died of miscegenation? +--- 14992046 +>>14992017 +Europe adopted the idea of cities and civilisation from the Phonecians and cities such as Byblos, and Tyre were founded and then the Greeks went from there. Athens was the first megalopolis of Europe. Even Rome was a purpose built city based on the idea of Babylon and other metropolis type cities like Athens. +--- 14992049 +>>14991997 +>>14992020 +Nothing you say matters because no one likes you white people. One could say 'only god could save you now', but it doesn't seem he's interested either, just like your white women. +--- 14992058 +>>14992032 +I did not but nearly every successful "mega city" in history has had a migrant population of 30% or more. These cities grew on trade and exchanges of ideas and technologies from all over the world. Great port cities like Byblos and cities on major trade routes were the ones that grew and became great civilisations because of this +--- 14992062 +>>14992046 +>the idea of cities +lmao +--- 14992064 +>>14991838 (OP) +Civilization was made in the Levant and Egypt and by brown and black men carrying haplogroup E1b. +--- 14992065 +>>14992049 +So you're basically a liar because a lot of people likes me and my race, that's why they want to live near me. +--- 14992068 +Not even Japan and China are civillized. +--- 14992069 +>>14992058 +citation is needed +--- 14992077 +>>14992064 +WE +--- 14992079 +>>14992065 +Nah, they want to replace you. You're just in the way. +--- 14992080 +>>14992058 +He's lying, Tokyo/Edo was the biggest city in the world for a century or two and it didn't have a single foreigner in it. +--- 14992090 +>>14992077 +ARE KINGZ +--- 14992102 +>>14992080 +I'm not talking about settled states, I didn't phrase it correctly but I mean the origin of civilisation and the first cities and how they became what they were. + +It's all relative as well. Athens had a huge range of "migrants" coming to trade and such but migrants in this context is those from other Greek city states and perhaps slightly further afield. + +I don't mean ethnicity here. +--- 14992103 +>>14992065 +>a lot of people likes me and my race, that's why they want to live near me. +Not your women though and if they do, it's not enough to save you. +--- 14992104 +Tell me why we shouldn't exterminate non whites? +--- 14992109 +>>14992079 +they run away from their own societies and genetics, that's why they racemix so much and even offered their women to the white men the first time we came down there, i think you love me more than how much you pretend to hate me +--- 14992113 +>>14992104 +Because that won't help your replacement rates. +Japan has the same issue with few non-japanese people. +--- 14992115 +>>14992103 +My women? They lust for someone that is not an eternal generational loser. +--- 14992119 +>>14992104 +White women would commit suicide without the BBC. + +No BBC = No White women = No White people +--- 14992120 +>>14991838 (OP) +White people are just in the way. +--- 14992126 +>>14992115 +>eternal generational losers +Like white men apparently +--- 14992132 +>>14992119 +>no hstory or any personal quality to be proud of +>start talking about penises and bragging about being a bioweapon against any intelligent civilization on earth +pottery +--- 14992134 +What are you contributions africans, americans, and asians? +--- 14992147 +>>14992126 +No, like negroids not doing anything meaningful except being slaves for hundreds of years and still live in misery even when they start winning, not experiencing strong industrial development despint population growth and fucking like rabbits. + +A race so cursed by god himself he doesn't even exterminate them to end their misery. +--- 14992182 +>>14992068 +far lower crime rates than the west, that's including white numbers +--- 14992184 +>>14992182 +And your inventions? +--- 14992192 +>>14992184 +Yes, and there's our inventions to consider as well +--- 14992202 +>>14992192 +Are you a distant brother? +--- 14992229 +>>14992184 +5000 years of history +--- 14992394 +>>14991838 (OP) +--- 14992402 +>>14992064 +>Egypt +HAHAHAHAHA +--- 14992419 +>>14992064 +>Levant +AHAHAHAHA +>bro I swear we made civilization we just forgot how which is why only white people can make advanced civilizations for the last 5000 years but I swear we did it first, we just forgot because of raycisms and sheeeit +HAHAHAHAHA +--- 14992424 +>>14992402 +You can't be European if you're Egyptian. + +European means Europe +--- 14992425 +>>14992402 +>Ramses 3: E1b1a +OH NO NO NO NO +--- 14992432 +>>14992402 +>>14992419 +WE +--- 14992437 +>>14992419 +Arabs have been white for more than a hundred years +--- 14992484 +>>14992419 +HAHAHAHAHAHHAA +--- 14992485 +>>14992432 +WERE AND STILL ARE WHITE + +yes, we are civilization builders and you are civilization destroyers +--- 14992496 +>>14992402 +HAHAHAHA +--- 14992503 +>>14992484 +>negroes in 100 years +>look they found negro dna iN Colorado +>WE WUZ THE FOUNDING FATHERS AND SHEEIT +It would be sad if any other race said such stupid shit but you are negroes so people just expect you to say and think the most stupid shit imaginable +--- 14992565 +>>14992503 +>malding cave monkey can't handle the fact that his ancestors were civilized by black men +lol +--- 14992579 +>>14992503 +E1 is an Arab haplogroup and Hitler wasn't white or at least one of his ancestors got blacked +--- 14992584 +>>14991838 (OP) +define White ? +Are Ashkenazi Jews White ? +--- 14992652 +>>14992584 +Jews are descendants of Hittites and Amorites, which both are white. In other words, Ashkenazi Jews are the standard of what it means to be genetically Jewish. +The other jews are brown because of Arabs raping their gene pool. +--- 14992683 +>>14991838 (OP) + +Your punishment must be more severe. +--- 14992727 +>>14992394 +--- 14992742 +>>14992565 +>his ancestors were civilized by black men +Black men couldn't even build a civilization of their own never mind civilize anyone else. +--- 14992812 +>>14991838 (OP) +>We created civilization +Who exactly? Do elaborate +--- 14993014 +>>14991846 +>Pretty sure agriculture and animal husbandry weren't invented by Whites. +neither of these are "Civilization" +They are "achievements" tribal primitives could pull off, in fact they did. +--- 14993044 +>>14991838 (OP) +Literally false. Though I will agree that hatred of people for their race is retarded. I’ve met good whites people and bad white people. I’ve met good blacks people and bad blacks people. Ditto with other races. +--- 14993062 +China and India both MOGGED Europe in the past +--- 14993090 +>>14993062 +>China and India both MOGGED Europe in the past +China did for a time. India? Not convinced. +--- 14993102 +>>14991838 (OP) +>non-whites start asserting themselves to a minimal extent +>WTF this is white genocide!!! +Why are ytbois such fragile pussies? +--- 14993377 +>>14991838 (OP) +White people have fallen so far from their former glory. Can you really blame me for not liking you? +--- 14993409 +>>14992027 +you really want to start a conflict with the people who have never lost a war to you? +--- 14993425 +>>14992126 +>>14992103 +>>14992049 +>>14992079 +If a race were truly superior, +It's women would be the most desired +It's Societal standard would be the standard for all society everywhere +Everyone would desire to live under its law +Dwell amongst its people +And it would be seen as a violation of human rights to be denied access to this group of Angelic beings +It would gain no sympathy either. + +(You)r own admission states Whites are superior. +Superiority breeds contempt. +--- 14993430 +>>14992102 +>>14992058 +Mega cities are luxuries, they were never historical producers. +>became civilizations +those werent megacities. +--- 14993441 +>>14992113 +We have no replacement issue, less non-Whites would allow Whites a more than sustainable economy even if you increased their own non-producers by 25%. +Whites are so productive it is taking an aged population PLUS 150 million non-Whites who are net negatives economically to even dent their economic output and qol. +--- 14993449 +As a white person, the longer I live in a city the more I grow a disdain for other white people. The people who behave the absolute worst in public tend to be awful mayo monkeys. +--- 14993450 +>>14992119 +>living vicariously through the most aborted race +--- 14993474 +Thank you white man for all the inventions you have provided for the world. +--- 14993568 +>>14993425 +Nobody wants to live under Jewish oligarchical trannyism though. Everything you just stated was only true 50+ years ago. +--- 14993599 +>>14993449 +>As a white person +--- 14993612 +>>14993441 +Lmao the sheer delusion in this post. +--- 14993643 +>>14991846 +Let's see how your brownoid ox-carts and grain jars hold up against my intercontinental ballistic missiles +--- 14993657 +>>14992394 +Very astute and well expressed observation. I would also be envious of white people if I wasn't one myself, only the Chinese have enough self-respect to acknowledge their "humiliation" and give an entire century of their history a name in this regard +--- 14993666 +>>14993425 +Nah, if a race were truly superior it would reproductively outcompete other races. whites are dying off because they rather die on toilets covered in fake gold (while non-white will inherent their stuff) than be surround by friends and their biological families. diff --git a/his/14991856.txt b/his/14991856.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..994a44b25aeca96168e4db4a0821c4e1b8a0d8d2 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14991856.txt @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +----- +--- 14991856 +People actually call it that. +Wow, some noble women-owned 40% of the land, that makes it pro-feminist. +Think not +--- 14991868 +It´s true, it was insanely pussywhipped +--- 14991869 +it probably was since sparta fucking sucked. It's was a meme state. +the Romans literally turned it into the disneyworld of the antiquity once they conquered that shithole +--- 14991932 +>>14991856 (OP) +The spartan heiresses controlled the gerousia and thus had the final say in Spartan politics. +--- 14992059 +Trying to apply modern politics and agendas to societies over two thousand years old is retarded and the idiots that spout this crap and circulate these ideas into pop culture should be shamed into shutting the fuck up. Spartan women held more influence in their state moreso then their other Greek contemporaries, but this is because of the unique nature of Spartan society where male citizens were devoted to war, so women taking charge in domestic affairs was something done out of necessity. It wasn't because Spartans decided women deserve more rights. The role of women in Spartan society was also unlike modern feminist sentiments; A woman's role was still focused around birthing and raising healthy children, she wouldn't be allowed to just do whatever she wanted. +--- 14992141 +>>14991869 +Explain +--- 14992155 +>>14992059 +The world is full of clowns. Nobody deserves anything, not even the skin on his bones +--- 14992174 +>>14992059 +But what would Sparta's take on BLM have been? +--- 14993187 +>>14991856 (OP) +>Ywn be a slave in Ancient Sparta +>Ywn get rode by Spartan mommy amazon-style while the wind caresses your bodies and stars look over you +>Ywn bust a fat load while she chokes you +Why even live, bros? +--- 14993199 +>>14992174 +Spartan enslaved the helotes. + +>>14993187 +You would work in the salt mines until you die, a year later. +--- 14993213 +>>14991856 (OP) +faggots actually worshipped Aphrodite Areia, do you honestly believe they wouldn't suck on the clits of women like the Easterners did the representatives of Ishtar? +--- 14993228 +>>14991856 (OP) +>Sparta the pro-feminist state +Just like Mycenae? Weird +--- 14993258 +>>14991856 (OP) +This was because they believed domestic life made men weak, not because they worshipped women, they infact saw women are marked inferiors to men and only valuable for their social role of spurring men forth to war and glory. +Women were made to wear veils, except for beautiful young girls who were forced to go around without any covering to attract a man. +>>14991869 +no, they were fantastic, the Spartans were renowned for their sophisticated martial system and many of the early Eurypontids were more learned than the Athenians in Greek /deeplore/. +The Romans built seats around their agoge training facility, they did not make it a disney world. +>>14991932 +no they did not. +>>14992059 +true. +>>14992174 +They would not tolerate weakness. +>>14993213 +Europeans arent effete lesbians larping as men +--- 14994560 +So true! +Not only Ancient Greece was full of fags, but also feminists!!!! +--- 14994574 +Where to learn more about Sparta, Spartan customs and interactions with non-spartans? +--- 14994600 +>>14991856 (OP) +Sparta was actually criticized by the Athenians because they trained their men to be warriors, but not their women. diff --git a/his/14991898.txt b/his/14991898.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..941dd42c5e5a0523a023660d0b7b4082ab915aae --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14991898.txt @@ -0,0 +1,44 @@ +----- +--- 14991898 +Whats the /his/torical equivalent of this? +--- 14991900 +>>14991898 (OP) +The biography of anon. +--- 14991929 +>>14991898 (OP) +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Constantinople_(717%E2%80%93718) +--- 14991980 +the UN +--- 14992003 +>>14991898 (OP) +Niggers and spics claiming that colonialism was necessary for industrialization +--- 14992203 +>>14991898 (OP) +Unironically the JFK presidency +--- 14992380 +>>14991898 (OP) +French retardation at the Siege of Candia. +--- 14992508 +>>14991898 (OP) +Jesus Christ post crucifixion +--- 14993283 +>>14992380 +>show up to besieged city with men, ammo, and warships +>flagship blows up due to an accident +>get demoralized, leave with all your men and provisions, leaving the Venetians to face the Ottomans alone +What pricks. I hate the French +--- 14993338 +>>14991898 (OP) +Women retirement. +--- 14993885 +The magna carta +--- 14993891 +France "civilising" the colonies +--- 14994585 +>>14991898 (OP) +Appeasement +--- 14994696 +>>14991900 +;_; + +Why do you hurt me so? diff --git a/his/14991924.txt b/his/14991924.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..01be9508869901fd461c3a5943d476eab59775cc --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14991924.txt @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ +----- +--- 14991924 +History started when I was born and will end when I die. +--- 14991933 +>>14991924 (OP) +People will disagree not knowing this is the truth. +--- 14991938 +>>14991924 (OP) +Someone is writing your biography? Put me in the screencap. +--- 14993786 +>>14991924 (OP) +On a personal level this is completely accurate. +--- 14993803 +>>14991924 (OP) +History started with +Long ago all the elements were mixed together with one germ of life. This germ began to mix things around and around until the heavier part sank and the lighter part rose. A muddy sea that covered the entire earth was created. From this ocean grew a green shoot. It grew and grew until it reached the clouds and there it was tranformed into a god. Soon this god grew lonely and it began to create other gods. The last two gods it made, Izanagi anf Izanami, were the most remarkable. +One day as they were walking along they looked down on the ocean and wondered what was beneath it. Izanagi thrust his staff into the waters and as he pulled it back up some clumps of mud fell back into the sea. They began to harden and grow until they became the islands of Japan. + +The two descended to these islands and began to explore, each going in different directions. They created all kinds of plants. When they met again they decided to marry and have children to inhabit the land. The first child Izanami bore was a girl of radiant beauty. The gods decided she was too beautiful to live in Japan, so they put her up in the sky and she became the sun. Their second daughter, Tsuki-yami, became the moon and their third and unruly son, Sosano-wo, was sentenced to the sea, where he creates storms. + +Later, their first child, Amaterasu, bore a son who became the emperor of Japan and all the emperors since then have claimed descent from him. +--- 14993820 +>>14991924 (OP) +Imagine all the people who died with uncertainty. Like Soviet statesmen who died a few years before the dissolution or wartime leaders who died before victory was certain. diff --git a/his/14991950.txt b/his/14991950.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d3dd51aae0b4e954cde64eb0fedfdc51580c0617 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14991950.txt @@ -0,0 +1,56 @@ +----- +--- 14991950 +>BCE +--- 14991968 +BC is an inaccurate label now because Jesus wasn't born year 0 +--- 14991972 +>AVC +--- 14991982 +AD +--- 14991990 +-/+ +--- 14991996 +>AH +--- 14992863 +>>14991950 (OP) +>Before Christ Era +>>14991972 +>After Victory of Christ +>>14991982 +After Birth of Christ +>>14991990 +>-/+Christ +>>14991996 +>After Holy Virgin Mary gave born Christ +--- 14992872 +>>14992863 +AD = Anno Domini +--- 14992891 +>>14992863 +AD already has christian significance, my schizo in Christ. It's anno Domini. Which means'in the year of the Lord'. +--- 14992939 +>>14991972 +A fellow TRVE ROMAN I see, and is this not a fine year MMDCCLXXVI? +--- 14993039 +>>14991950 (OP) +Ah yes, the Common Era. The Era which is Common. Which started at the year of the... event. +--- 14993055 +I want to go back to naming years after animals and shit, and not keeping track. Some small number of years ago was the year of the Wuhan bat. +--- 14993100 +>first 3 months are called Wheezy, Sneezy, and Freezy +--- 14993141 +>>14993100 +Actually faggot they’re called Türkmenbasy, Baydak, and Nowruz +--- 14993191 +>>14991950 (OP) +>BCE +>years Before Christ Exemplar +>CE +>years of Christ Exemplar +--- 14993509 +>>14991968 +Yeah but Christians love being wrong about everything. +--- 14994835 +>>14991968 +Backwards Counting +Ascending Dates diff --git a/his/14991985.txt b/his/14991985.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a5617e7f8ad988e22e0801f901f4541e6c6a976d --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14991985.txt @@ -0,0 +1,185 @@ +----- +--- 14991985 +Can the haploautists here shed some light on this topic? +https://youtu.be/nflMVD3K4Sk [Embed] +--- 14992008 +Europeans hair comes from living further north + +Monkeys have closer overall genetic similarity to blacks than to whites +--- 14992016 +>>14991985 (OP) +Did this topic really need 9 parts? Or they're all tiktoks? +--- 14992022 +>>14991985 (OP) +Aren't monkeys less violent than blacks? +--- 14992025 +>>14992022 +--- 14992030 +>>14991985 (OP) +40 seconds is all I could take. Insufferable cunt + +I'm not a racist btw. It has nothing to do with the matter at hand. He's just fucking annoying +--- 14992133 +>>14991985 (OP) +He's not wrong but, in all honesty, Vlad is the biggest clickbaiter I have ever had the displeasure of coming across. You'll see a video snippet of a much larger interview with a sensationalist title certain to pique your interest. You click on it and watch hoping to learn more but ultimately it amounts to a throwaway reference to something only vaguely reminiscent of the video's title.At best Vlad tries to badger the guest with jovial rib-poking follow up questions in hopes they'll give a more controversial answer. +--- 14992149 +>>14992022 +Probably produced as many inventions as blacks too +--- 14992164 +>>14992025 +Lmao +--- 14992165 +>>14991985 (OP) +That's pretty easy. +Blacks have thick lips monkeys have small lips. +Blacks have dark skin while monkeys have light skin. +Blacks have coiled hair while monkeys have straight hair. +Blacks have long legs and short torsos while monkeys have short legs and long torsos. +Blacks have little body hair and monkeys have alot of body hair. +Thus monkeys share more traits with whites than with blacks. +--- 14992173 +>>14992022 +domestication of monkeys may result in space colonization unlike niggers, so probably +--- 14992179 +>>14992165 +My AI has a different opinion. +--- 14992188 +>>14992165 +Have you seen bonobos walking? They look like black people sneaking by. +They have all the traits that you mentioned that black people have without the lip, which their skulls make up for. +--- 14992190 +>>14992179 +Jej +--- 14992193 +>>14992165 +Have you seen a sheboon fight another woman? They 100% fight like monkeys. literally just randomly jumping around swinging their arms. +--- 14992205 +>muh hair muh lips +--- 14992217 +the incels will take it as an insult. true intellectuals will realize that is a compliment. +--- 14992218 +>>14991985 (OP) +They hate him because he spoke the truth. +--- 14992222 +>>14992205 +jewbros pretending to be blackbros... it's over +--- 14992234 +why can't humans bite the face off their enemies? +--- 14992237 +>>14991985 (OP) +we all can see +we just don't want to look +--- 14992243 +>>14992218 +Chimps are terrible swimmers and their hair is kinky if you look at it closely. I refuse to believe someone didn't make this as ironic bait either way though. +--- 14992254 +>>14992243 +You're right about the swimming thing but only occasionally will a primate may have frizzy hair.It's mostly straight. +--- 14992258 +>>14991985 (OP) +He's right. We have very thin lips, which is more similar to monkeys. +--- 14992261 +>>14992258 +Speak for yourself, i have normal lips +--- 14992289 +I always thought monkeys are pretty cool and the positive things blacks bring to the table relate to being a bit more connected to their animal side. +But I've been scientifically proven wrong. I guess white people dominate even when it comes to the monkey thing, we just can't stop winning. +--- 14992299 +>>14992289 +Monkeys are scary. + +They can tore off your arm like it is out of paper, they have 10x more strength than we do. +--- 14992306 +Reject modernity +Return to monkey +--- 14992322 +so, white people have: +- more hair than other races +- are more prone to getting lice +- thinner lips +- bigger ears + +black people have +- a funny jawline +- ???? +--- 14992324 +>>14992306 +the only sane way +--- 14992331 +>>14992322 +You forgot that they also tend to be bow-legged with square torsos and long arms. Then there's the behavior. +--- 14992345 +>>14992299 +I mean, that's pretty cool desu senpai. +--- 14992348 +>>14992322 +--- 14992351 +>>14992299 +nah that's just chimps +--- 14992422 +>>14992179 +That's because early datasets for recognizing people were only trained on whites. It had difficulty detecting darkerskinned individuals in general and would probably tell an Asian to open their eyes. + +It'd be funny to think when the robot uprising comes that they'll only shoot white people because everyone else wasn't included in their training data. +>>14992237 +Isn't this photo kind of disgenious because the black woman is looking upwards making her jaw look longer than it is.It would be better if they used her photo looking straight, also in the facial morph to the white woman, they forgot to add the huge nose. +--- 14992830 +>even monkeys are more advanced than nogs +JUST +--- 14993069 +White Man vs an Italian, 1928, colorized. +--- 14993084 +>>14992422 +Yes nigger, an AI with recurrent racist bias, associating blacks with gorillas because untrained to see the FEW differences between niggers and gorillas will probably shoot only whites after advancing past the singularity point where it perfectly understands who is a jungle nigger and who's a normal person. + +Cope more. +--- 14993091 +>>14993069 +Why is the italian beating the white man? +--- 14993094 +>>14991985 (OP) +Africans have prognathism and simian brow ridges this is so ridiculous, theres no way he isnt aware of how stupid this is +--- 14993112 +>>14992322 +>Where da wyt women at?! +--- 14993119 +>>14991985 (OP) +>>14992133 +He is wrong, there are millions of years of evolution between humans and monkeys, there is no human "closer to monkeys" in any meaningful sense. I assume they saw racists comparing black people to monkeys and thought "hurr I'll compare monkeys to whites". However this doesn't change the fact there are genetic differences between white people and black people with a significant effect on ability including intelligence. +--- 14993131 +OOGA BOOGA GUNGA GINGA BONGO GOOGA +--- 14993340 +>>>/sci/ +--- 14993355 +>>14992025 +average American vs average British +--- 14993364 +>>14992030 +I agree completely. +--- 14993394 +>>14991985 (OP) +big talk from Sagan's catamite +--- 14993420 +>>14991985 (OP) +so he's saying whites came first? +--- 14993805 +>mayomonkies itt alternating between "n-no you" and "w-well being a chimp isn't so bad anyways" +--- 14994031 +>>14992322 +>- more hair than other races +--- 14994076 +>>14993805 +Still miles better than being a nigger +--- 14994096 +but big lips, dark skin, prognathism and a large nose are pre-human features? +--- 14994571 +>>14992299 +Humans can kill another person or animal from throwing a fucking rock hard. + +Chimps may be strong but they pay for it in dexterity. Humans have nearly unmatched manual dexterity and fine muscle control. +--- 14994664 +>>14991985 (OP) +Whites are alien offspring. +--- 14994668 +>>14992188 +What apes walk like Beavis and Butthead? diff --git a/his/14991992.txt b/his/14991992.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..155773b23a55620f078e918ca452272220e7a1b0 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14991992.txt @@ -0,0 +1,8 @@ +----- +--- 14991992 +>The Egyptian Greeks, also known as Egyptiotes (Greek: Αιγυπτιώτες), or simply Greeks in Egypt, are the ethnic Greek community from Egypt that has existed from the Hellenistic period until the aftermath of the Egyptian coup d'état of 1952, when most were forced to leave. +--- 14992041 +HAHAHAH GET RECKED GREEKLINGS +--- 14993099 +>>14991992 (OP) +Fuck Nasser and fuck Arab Nationalism. Egypt would've unironically been like the Asian tigers, had it not been for the retardation of the freedom officers. diff --git a/his/14992036.txt b/his/14992036.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..bce212ea856f31e3434349a519300e2636c7f8bb --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992036.txt @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +----- +--- 14992036 +Imagine being classmates with Hitler in the 1890s and then 40 years later he becomes the total ruler of your nation and drafts you to fight the entire world. + +This would really fuck with my head. It would render me schizo for the rest of my life. +--- 14992071 +> would render me schizo for the rest of my life +word +--- 14992088 +>>14992036 (OP) +Not really. You forget everything. It’d just be a small vignette you tell people at the bar. I have almost no memories earlier than 2 years ago. +--- 14992110 +>>14992071 +imagine if they had a bromance hahah +--- 14992129 +>>14992088 +You're a brainlet. + +Not only have I memories from everything beginning at age 3. I also remember how I felt during certain moments in my life. +--- 14992135 +>>14992088 +This pretty much. I went to school with some people who became famous (in my country). Ok maybe sports stars and musicians are not the same level as a Führer but still my reaction is just "oh hey I went to school with that person!". I imagine for those people it would be kind of the same but more like "holy shit I went to school with him!" +--- 14992580 +>>14992071 +hitler and wittgenstein linked up sneed it or feed it? +--- 14992723 +>>14992071 +when an INFJ speaks.... +--- 14993246 +>>14992036 (OP) + +It is even more bizarre given how Hitler was likely to have ended up being a nobody vagabond for his entire life without WW1 or even a stray bullet may have killed him. +--- 14993264 +>>14993246 +History is weird. +Its was if it was his destiny. +Similar to Napoleon, in his youth he was mocked for being a Corsican. No one would of imagined their destinies +--- 14993277 +>>14992129 +fuck off boomer +--- 14993298 +>>14992129 +Fuck you nigga I remember shit before I was even conceived +--- 14993303 +>>14993246 +You have to be a total schizo to be invested so much in your nation to begin with. Normal people just want to have peaceful, quite lives with wive and children. + +Nazi Germany is what happens when schizos aren't contained. +--- 14993339 +>>14993303 +>schizo +Another NPC buzzword +--- 14993367 +>>14992036 (OP) +They all look borderline slavic, lol. And those guys had the gall to call Russians deformed monsters. +--- 14993370 +>>14993367 +>They all look borderline slavic +It's called being white +--- 14993391 +>>14993370 +And it's horrifying. My churka brothers in North Caucas look better than that. +--- 14993412 +>>14993367 +Imagine being surprised that Austrians and Slovaks look similar +--- 14993421 +>>14993412 +Never told anything about Slovaks. The point is, half of them look like potatoes and that shits all over the German propaganda. +--- 14993426 +>>14993246 # +>>14993264 # +Destiny is real and it manifests itself in the dumbest of ways. The worst mistakes I've committed could've and should've been easily avoided yet they happened and changed my life forever. It's a shame there's no new game+ after you die, not as far as we know anyway +--- 14993440 +>>14993426 +I posted this shit three times, ignore it or refresh your page, i was trying to get rid of some mistake. +--- 14993445 +>>14993421 +>Slavic = potato +Please kill yourself kike +--- 14993501 +>>14992135 +Gia isn’t some prized beauty anyways. She didn’t even win her competition thing and she is certainly less pretty than Haley. I just mention her a lot so the other jackass shuts up. Just a bunch of morons, all the way down. +--- 14994582 +>>14993367 +Germans were always Slavs in denial. + +They have more in common with them than with French, Brits etc... diff --git a/his/14992082.txt b/his/14992082.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c33948ecd9e0178ca8e839e51941f1167542c69f --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992082.txt @@ -0,0 +1,26 @@ +----- +--- 14992082 +How come even the Sentinelese invented the bow? +--- 14992920 +>>14992082 (OP) +with every new picture their bows actually keep getting larger, reportedly so that they can reach aircraft such as drones +--- 14992930 +>>14992920 +Based savages. +--- 14993000 +>>14992082 (OP) +Are you sure they didn't just have it when the andamanese reached their islands 10 trillion years ago? +--- 14993018 +>>14992082 (OP) +We actually dont know and likely will never know just how isolated they were. They could have had many small run ins with Indian and musslim vessels that they picked off some inventions from them. Even the most isolated Amazon tries we know of speak a Spanish/Portuguese pigeon language they picked up on their very brief encounters +--- 14993029 +>>14993018 +They only isolated themselves post-British colonialism. The British introduced a disease of some sort so they isolated after that. We do know that during the Middle Ages, Marco Polo writes about ships avoiding them because they are cannibals. +--- 14993043 +>>14993018 +Here Marco speaks of the remarkable population of the Andaman Islands--Oriental negroes in the lowest state of barbarism--who have remained in their isolated and degraded condition, so near the shores of great civilised countries, for so many ages. "Rice and milk" they have not, and their fruits are only wild ones. + +https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Travels_of_Marco_Polo/Book_3/Chapter_13 +--- 14993081 +>>14992082 (OP) +Because the ancestors of most humans today already had the Bow & Arrow before leaving Africa. diff --git a/his/14992085.txt b/his/14992085.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8f2fb83812cf6e5a9565e6d841eaf8369d5fc143 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992085.txt @@ -0,0 +1,25 @@ +----- +--- 14992085 +How badly does it pervert legitimate history? +--- 14992097 +>>14992085 (OP) +Reminds me of that british cult +>isaac's son +>isaacsson +>i saacsson +>i saxon +--- 14993422 +>>14992085 (OP) +Huh, I'm not Lactose intolerant. Guess I'm white now. yayy. +--- 14993434 +>>14993422 +lolse, i can also drink milk +>>14992085 (OP) +tfw your only evidence is semantic hairsplitting and unrelated data +--- 14993439 +Red hair is not a white trait +--- 14993447 +>>14992085 (OP) +post the rest of the verse, lol +>But now they are blacker than coal, and no one recognizes them in the streets. Their skin hangs on their bones; it is as dry as wood. +>But now they are blacker than coal diff --git a/his/14992096.txt b/his/14992096.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..357de8d1a370874e4763b617632f85391eca5bed --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992096.txt @@ -0,0 +1,126 @@ +----- +--- 14992096 +How do you fuck up this badly +--- 14992116 +>july 1941 +>encircle 420,000 in bialystok-minsk +>encircle 700,000 in kiev +how the FUCK was this not the end of the ussr right there + + +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Białystok–Minsk#Casualties +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kiev_(1941)#Aftermath +--- 14992136 +>>14992096 (OP) +This pretty much blows to bits the conspiracy that Stalin was planning to invade Germany at all in 1941. +The first few months of operation Barbarossa were a massacre +--- 14992170 +German tactical superiority and Soviet neglect. +Red army in 1939-1941 was more a political organization than a professional military. Small details such as that Red Army officers were forbidden from taking the initiative and had to wait for orders, most tried to avoid any kind of responsibility at all since you could get executed for failure or acting against orders. The Germans had embraced mission command which is a standard tactical doctrine today, officers were encouraged to take the initiative and act against orders if an opportunity was presented, German soldiers had in-depth knowledge of an operation and ability that exceed their ranks so they too could take command. Trust from German command was paramount. +Add to the fact that when the Germans invaded, frontline communications was cut. Logistical dumps were destroyed (ie no ammunition), the airforce was destroyed, tanks were not in formation, soldiers were told not to retaliate, soviet command was disconnected from reality and gave contradicting orders. +Germans also achieved rapid maneuverability in the early stages of Barbarossa. They covered more ground in the first month than they did in the next 3 months. Encirclement was achieved which caused panic, confusion, and loss of supplies. +--- 14992189 +>>14992116 +Germans thought the same exact thing. +You underestimate how many forest and steppe people lived in the USSR. + +USSR lost like, 13% of their population total during the war, which is pretty gnarly. +It was like 25 million men or so, but they have more. +And Slavs are stubborn as fuck, westerners ignore that part every time. +--- 14992200 +>>14992096 (OP) +>Dont trust anyone +>Except your worst enemy +--- 14992208 +>>14992096 (OP) +These numbers have to be fake. No way the Soviets would note that much casualities on their side. It must be nazi sourced numbers +--- 14992213 +>>14992208 +Soviets didn't bullshit themselves, they actually viewed the war very scientifically. +They bullshitted the populace, sure. But high command got the details correctly. + +Later in the war Soviet intelligence and strategic command was superior than the German one +--- 14992252 +>>14992208 + +Nope all that was achieved, tho we didn't know the full extent of the damage until the 1990 when the USSR collapsed and secret state archives became available to historians. +Many are still locked even to this day. +--- 14992316 +>>14992170 +What books did you read on the Eastern Front? +--- 14992336 +>>14992189 + +Soviet population was 170 million. German population roughly 80 million. + +However the numbers are misleading since the USSR had a far more younger population than Germany (third world social standards) which meant they had far more men of military age. +The USSR was also more akin to modern North Korea. The military was virtually everything and recieved absolute priority since the USSR regarded itself a nation under siege from the rest of the world. +The common red army soldier was also extremely tough thanks to loving under the totalitarian system and quite brutal social standards. The Germans were extremely frustrated that red army soldiers kept fighting even in hopeless situations where a normal western soldier would have surrendered as was anticipated. It was a major factor to the failure of Barbarossa as it caused both time delay and increased casualties. +--- 14992340 +>>14992336 +*Living under totalitarian system +--- 14992397 +>>14992096 (OP) +.>Despite fears causing the Soviet Union to enter deals with Germany in 1939, that Germany came so close to destroying the Soviet Union was due, in large part, to Soviet actions taken from 1939 to 1941.[5]:181 Without Soviet imports, German stocks would have run out in several key products by October 1941, only three and a half months into the invasion.[5]:202–205 Germany would have already run through their stocks of rubber and grain before the first day of the invasion were it not for Soviet imports +Was Stalin retarded? +--- 14992623 +>>14992136 +The theory that Germany was doing a preemptive first strike claims that Barbarossa was an early success because the soviets had placed so much of their forces close to the border that the Germans were able to easily blitz through the line with a surprise and encircle them. +--- 14992718 +>>14992208 +>These numbers have to be fake +Yeah, some glowniggers seething so much they can live a day in their life without lying. Here's casualties from russian wikipedia, still devastating but at least realistic. +--- 14992927 +>>14992397 +>Was Stalin retarded? +He thought that by feeding the Germans he'll exhaust both the UK and Germany and the USSR would just swoop in. In reality, Barbarossa was a desperate act from a country that was starting to starve it's war effort because of the lack of raw materials. Maybe giving Germany more raw materials would have deterred them from invading, but then again they expected that the USSR would be a walk in the park. +--- 14993202 +>>14992623 + +Its the dumbest theory of the war and its mostly originated from an anti-communist soviet defector, and by Hitler himself to give the invasion legal merit and propaganda. + +The primary reason is that Germany had decided to attack the USSR long before, and the Red Army had just revealed its catastrophic flaws with the war against FInland, while the Germans had just revealed their unparalleled capabilties with the defeat of the western powers. +The soviets knew they were in an extremely dangerous position after the fall of France and the disaster at Finland. The programs to self-correct, retrain, modernize, expand, reeducate, restructure, basically make a complete overhaul of everything they had previously torn down from the proffessional Tsarist army and replaced it as a political and ideological motivated inexperienced party branch. +The Soviets estimated that the entire remake would take at least 3 years (which is roughly what happened, by 1944 the Red Army had become more effective and sophisticated than the Wehrmacht). +To Stalin, buying time was paramount, hence why the Soviets increased their trade quotas to Germany, and delivered by the number while Germany often ignored their own quotas to the USSR as the invasion grew closer. It could also explain why Stalin was pushing to join the Axis, while Germany was dancing around it and ultimately began ignoring it. It also explains why Stalin was in complete denial of an invasion, he simply had to believe it wouldnt happen because he knew the Red Army in its current state was no match against the Wehrmacht. + +Finally, what would Stalin gain from invading Germany? The war was already going perfectly for the USSR. Germany and Britain were starving each others out by both military and economic losses. The USSR had free hands to exand its sphere everywhere else. Stalins attentions were primary towards Turkey, Bulgaria and Iran. He was more than happy to let Germany and Britain keep fighting. +--- 14993261 +>>14993202 + +I would like to add to this post however, that it could certaintly be that Stalin planned an "endgame" of the war with invading Germany once the Red Army was ready, and when Germany had; +1. Just defeated Britain +or +2. Was about to be defeated by Britain +Stalin could by all means plan an invasion by 1944-45 and pull the same trick he did with Poland, to liberate the working class and stabilize the nation and bla bla. +The USSR was in a perfect position to win World War 2 the moment Germany invaded Poland since they could snatch any smaller nation without anyone being able to stop them, and they would simply defeat whoever managed to crawl out victorious between Britain and Germany. + +Hitler knew he had a closing time window to be able to defeat the USSR. Should the USSR be given time to moderinize and expand its army by 1943 and later, the German forces would be in no position to invade anymore, and Germany became increasingly dependent on USSR trade to even survive. +If the USSR had achieved both military and economic superiority over Germany, then Hiter would have been at Stalins mercy. + +In a way, it was a pre-emptive strike, but not a pre-emptive strike regarding any immediate circumstances, but of what could become eventually. +--- 14993311 +>>14992096 (OP) +One word: communications + +Soviets (and most Western armies tbf) relied on pretty antiquated stuff, and the Nazis were able to take out whatever was left. + +Without communications, armies are immobilized. No one knows what the fuck they're supposed to do or where the fuck they're supposed to go. All they know is Stalin will kill them for retreating so they just stay put and German armed sweep pass and encircle them +--- 14993940 +>>14992096 (OP) +hold up.. +>strength of 4,522 tanks +>lost 4,799 tanks +what? +--- 14993948 +>>14993940 +A tank that gets knocked out is lost. A lost tank can be recovered and repaired. +--- 14993956 +>>14993948 +whiles yes I worded it lost, you do know it says destroyed in the pic right? +--- 14994004 +>>14993956 +Could be reinforcements that came in. +--- 14994209 +>>14992718 +Both useless source diff --git a/his/14992118.txt b/his/14992118.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b0fc05bdd299e0db8c53455a89cfdb864c4841af --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992118.txt @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +----- +--- 14992118 +>better literature +>better art +>better movies +>better animation +>better videogames +>better music +>better comics +>better culture +Yep the master race +The west lost. +--- 14992125 +>vidya +lmao +i remember plato stating this as a cornerstone of civilization +--- 14992131 +>ugh.... what could have been +--- 14992518 +>>14992125 +The video game is both the best and worst artform. +--- 14992895 +YWNBJ +--- 14993034 +>>14992895 +seethe whitey +--- 14993037 +none of this is true +--- 14993060 +>>14992118 (OP) +>better +than what? +--- 14993070 +>>14992118 (OP) + +>better music + +Then why is K-pop taking off? +--- 14993114 +>>14992118 (OP) +Japanese videogames fucking suck. + +First of all nips need easy dumbed down versions of Western Releases. + +Second JRPGs suck compared to WRPGs. + +Most JRPGs are just glorified menu simulators where you go in and select attacks and spells out of a menu as you progress along some railroaded story, wheres WRPGs play out in real time and have open ended combat and branching story paths. +--- 14993129 +>>14993114 +>First of all nips need easy dumbed down versions of Western Releases + +That happens the other way around for games released in America from Japan. +--- 14993699 +>>14992118 (OP) +japs only invented shoes by like 1000 AD +--- 14993753 +>>better movies +Name one Japanese movie that isn't anime. +--- 14993760 +>>14992118 (OP) +>better videogames +Western RPGs are better than Japanese RPGs +--- 14993767 +>>14993753 +Godzilla, Rashomon, Battle Royale +--- 14993771 +Name them +--- 14993807 +>>14993767 +>meme +>literally what +>proto-marvel shit that would embarrass hollywood +mou ikkai +--- 14993947 +>>14993760 +>>14993114 +too bad all the other genres are better in japan diff --git a/his/14992177.txt b/his/14992177.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c1d88cd698c20ff1064056c4e9608c6171524849 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992177.txt @@ -0,0 +1,67 @@ +----- +--- 14992177 +Is this the most important and influential country in the last 1000 years of history? Do you agree or disagree, and if so, why? Which country would you argue is more important and/or influential? +--- 14992209 +france +britain was the most important from 1815-1945, but france was the most important from the coronation of charlemagne to napoleon's exile to elba +--- 14992375 +>>14992209 +>but france was the most important from the coronation of charlemagne to napoleon's exile to elba +He said last 1000 years not last 1300 years. + +Anyway, were it not for England there'd be no USA, and the USA has become by far the most economically powerful and influential country on the planet. As much as I don't want to yank the chains of the Yanks, the creation of their country was extremely impactful in world history, and their country wouldn't exist were it not for England... France doesn't play much of a role there, and the "Lingua Franca" was replaced with English both because of the emergence of the US and because of Britain's global colonial expansions. +--- 14992470 +>>14992375 +Last 1000 years: + +1023-1815: France +1815-1945: Britain +1945-2023: USA +--- 14992541 +>>14992177 (OP) +Rome +--- 14992848 +>>14992470 +I like how you insist that France was more important than Britain (England) even past 1763 when by that point it is most certainly not at all arguable since the French got BTFO of North America and from which they forever took the place as second fiddle. +--- 14993322 +>>14992848 +If anything, there where periods where other countries overtook France in influence during that huge 750 year period >>14992470 layed out. E.g. Austria-Hungary/The Ottomans/The Commonwealth/Russia. +--- 14993326 +>>14993322 +and I also forgot Spain. +--- 14993429 +>>14992177 (OP) +They became a thing after 1760s, but before of that they were just one of the many kingdoms in Western Europe with nothing special to offer. They have been the most influential nation from 1814 to 1918. It was over for them after that. + +>>14993322 +>overtook France + +France was never a thing until late XVII century. People tend to confuse being the historical equivalent of Russia, a powerful country that has been always there, but that has never been the number 1 of the list and their case was even worse because they were a land power closed in Europe. +European Late Middle-Ages were carried by Holy Roman Empire. +The Ottomans ruled the Eastern Mediterranean. +Iberians the Western Mediterranean, New World and Oceanic routes. +Russians controlled Siberia and alongside Poland, they controlled Eastern Europe. +To the far east, the ancient Chinese empire together with the muslims of India, controlled 60% of world trade and the world's population. + +They became a power with something to say on the international political scenary with Louis XIV and even so they were not by far the only and first world power since the world has been multipolar until 1991. +To begin with they barely had possessions outside of Europe and they were enclosed by their borders, that same land that gave them the most fertile soil of Europe, was their own cage. +--- 14993762 +>>14992375 +The USA became a country thanks to a french victory over England. And while England did expand english language in her empire, the french language was still considered the most important until WW1 and in many cases France didn't need to colonize places to make them speak french, a lot of them spoke french simply because it was prestigious. Perhaps the best exemple was Egypt, which was a British colony but still prefered french over english during that time, as did the majority of monarchies of the time despite France not even being a monarchy troughout the entire late XIX Century. +--- 14994154 +>>14992177 (OP) +>>14992209 +>>14992470 +>>14993429 +The true answer is Spain. :) +--- 14994298 +>>14992177 (OP) +Englishman here. 1000 years is a bit rich. +--- 14994508 +>>14992209 +France didn’t exist when Charlemagne was alive and Germany was the more powerful kingdom when both formed from the Carolingian Empire until the 13th century +--- 14994641 +>>14993429 +>European Late Middle-Ages were carried by Holy Roman Empire. + +It was a joke from the Interregnum until its last hurrah with Charles V. Some of the Emperors had power but only because they also controlled Bohemia and Hungary. Admittedly France was also a basket case for most of the same period. diff --git a/his/14992183.txt b/his/14992183.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4d6a79f95aed4b767282870fe44bc51ab8919e9e --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992183.txt @@ -0,0 +1,5 @@ +----- +--- 14992183 +Who was born first, Hephaestus or the twins Artemis and Apollo? +--- 14993177 +? diff --git a/his/14992233.txt b/his/14992233.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..2d5356310a65a957dbe7301efe5ec4b6ceda2e39 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992233.txt @@ -0,0 +1,496 @@ +----- +--- 14992233 +How lucky is God that he got to be God? Like why didn't you or I get to be God from the beginning of infinity? God must be one lucky dude. How'd he land a position like that? +--- 14992268 +>>14992233 (OP) +God was, is and will be. He is everlasting. You should be thankful he allows you to exist, and provides a away to join him through his Son, but instead you whine that you're not God. +--- 14992269 +>>14992233 (OP) +Who created God? +--- 14992280 +>>14992268 +Still pretty lucky to be everlasting though. That's nothing to scoff at. +--- 14992284 +>>14992268 +How did God get to be God? +--- 14992287 +>>14992233 (OP) +why would god make a massive turbo faggot of a pastor's child? Really makes you think. +https://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy +--- 14992301 +>>14992233 (OP) +He just is, and God's only Son is Jesus Christ. +--- 14992304 +>>14992233 (OP) +Are you Mormon? +--- 14992307 +>>14992301 +Lame answer. Also, isn't his son also himself? +--- 14992308 +>>14992269 +uninteligible question +--- 14992309 +>>14992284 +Nobody got to be God. God is what comes before the universe, an eternal logic that floated above the abyss for infinity before doing the existance, as a verb. +--- 14992313 +>>14992268 +>you should be thankful that god forces you to exist so that he can dominate and abuse you for eternity!! + +no idiot, existing as the sole-sufferer of reality so that God can be the sole-enjoyer of reality is not a good thing. +--- 14992317 +>>14992309 +--- 14992319 +>>14992301 +Jesus Who? Never heard of him. +--- 14992323 +>>14992268 +>>14992309 +An infinite universe makes more sense than a sentient being that does not follow time. +--- 14992327 +>>14992319 +Rabbi Yeshua ben Pantera +--- 14992337 +>>14992317 +So God was just floating in the void for eternity and was like "Holy shit! I'm God! I can do anything! I make all the rules!" and then created a universe and creatures to play with? +--- 14992342 +>>14992308 +What part of it did you not understand? It's using simple English +--- 14992343 +>>14992307 +That means you think the cool answer is why aren't you God. +He just is is the coolest answer to the rest of us. +That was the question of the topic and it is now answered. +--- 14992349 +>>14992308 +So by that same logic +Does there need to be a God for the universe to exist? +--- 14992352 +>>14992342 +>who created that which is, by definition, uncreated? +That's simple English too. Try to answer that or make sense of it +--- 14992356 +>>14992233 (OP) +What makes this God more valid over the other gods of all other religions? +--- 14992362 +>>14992349 +yes +--- 14992363 +>>14992356 +This one is THE God, the one real one. +--- 14992386 +>>14992362 +How do you explain multiverses? +--- 14992401 +>>14992362 +I define the universe as uncreated, though +--- 14992403 +>>14992363 +How do you know that vs some other god being THE god? +--- 14992405 +>>14992386 +Where's the evidence for a multiverse +--- 14992420 +>>14992337 +Pretty much. Wouldn't you? +--- 14992430 +>>14992405 +>Where's the evidence for a multiverse. +Where's the evidence for not only a designer but a designer that answers prayers? +--- 14992434 +>>14992401 +sounds like a you problem +if it's uncreated then it's pure being, with no trace of non-being, with no parts, with no measures, no divisions, no distances, etc. +that's your universe? +--- 14992438 +>>14992420 +If I was god I'd definitely create this: +https://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy +le ebin trole god +--- 14992449 +>>14992430 +Answer my question first +--- 14992461 +>>14992430 +>Where's the evidence for not only a designer but a designer that answers prayers? +he does answers prayers, look at this, the holy creation of god himself, you have to be really subhuman after witnessing this and not recognizing the holy hand of god, the majesty of his creation +https://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy +--- 14992463 +>>14992434 +what's preventing something uncreated from having parts or changing? +dumbass +--- 14992469 +>>14992233 (OP) +Sounds like it takes A LOT to get there. +--- 14992476 +>>14992469 +all you have to do is pray, you can be a turbo mega faggot, then just pray, ez, insta heaven +https://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy +--- 14992477 +>>14992461 +I still have never heard an argument how you get from deism to theism +--- 14992486 +>>14992434 +>sounds like a you problem +lol, what's the problem? +I think the universe got no cause, you think this universe's cause died on a cross 2000 years ago +agree to disagree +--- 14992487 +>>14992477 +well you're in luck, this picture summarizes all the teachings of christianity in one single teaching, just pray +https://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy +--- 14992498 +>>14992233 (OP) +How lucky is the mountain that it got to be a mountain? How lucky is the ocean that it got to be the ocean? I’m not Christian, but Christian’s believe God to be an eternal, uncreated (ignoring Jesus) being bordering on force. +--- 14992506 +>>14992469 +Nothing good ever comes easy they say. +Nothing good comes without sacrifice. + +And....."It was good" +--- 14992509 +>>14992498 +Christians also believe Mary was a virgin and didn't cuck his simp husband. They also believe this dude can just pray his way into heaven. +https://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy +--- 14992511 +>>14992487 +Still does not prove anything. +What's stopping me declaring that Mormonism is the way? +Or that I realise that there is only one God and Muhammad is his messenger? +Why is Christianity true but also the denomination that you subscribe to? +--- 14992512 +>>14992498 +Nah, they think he's some kind of powerful wizard that lives in the sky +--- 14992522 +>>14992511 +look at this picture +https://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy +then get back at me +--- 14992527 +>>14992511 +How could Jesus resurrect himself if he wasn't a god? +--- 14992534 +>>14992522 +this is an image board, you can upload the pictures directly in your post +--- 14992544 +>>14992498 +The mountain (probably) isn't conscious. The OP is just applying the vertiginous question to god. +--- 14992550 +>>14992512 +They really don’t, at least not the educated ones. +--- 14992551 +>>14992527 +How do we know he was resurrected and if we did, does it prove that he was God? +If we take the bible to be true, it seems resurrection was common place in bronze age Palestine thousands of years ago. +Graves of saints opening at the crucifixion going for a stroll round the streets of Jerusalem. +Lazarus resurrected, daughter of Jairus. These stories are not impressive +--- 14992554 +>>14992527 +>How could Jesus resurrect himself +Proof that he could? +--- 14992574 +>>14992233 (OP) +He worked really hard and pulled himself up by his bootstraps. Before you knew it, he was God, master of his domain. +--- 14992592 +>>14992463 +took you long enough to start with the insults kek. the rational level-headed atheists + +what is uncreated is a first principle +this principle is either being or non-being +if it's non-being nothing follows +if its being, being follows +the universe is +then first principle is necessarily being, not non-being +being itself can't be temporal, because the past isn't anymore, future the isn't yet and the present will cease to be +it can't have parts because this part isn't that part and neither are the whole, so none are being. that cannot be because we're dealing with being +etc. + +you said the universe is uncreated, it comes from nothing else, it is 'causa sui'. it is the first principle and it's own principle. If it's first principle then it's being, since the first principle cannot be non-being. but being doesn't admit time or parts or divisions or distances +--- 14992609 +>>14992592 +>being itself can't be temporal, because the past isn't anymore, future the isn't yet and the present will cease to be +Btfo by B theory of time. Stopped reading there. +--- 14992612 +>>14992233 (OP) +You and I never had a shot at being God. Godhood was destine for one guy, and that's God. He was always going to be God. It was rigged from the beginning. +--- 14992627 +>>14992233 (OP) +amen +https://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy +--- 14992637 +>>14992592 +if your assertions were wrong about what god can or cannot be, how would you figure it out? +--- 14992640 +>>14992506 +--- 14992648 +>>14992233 (OP) +It's never luck. +--- 14992674 +>>14992648 +>It was an inside job +--- 14992682 +>>14992637 +well the only way would be me being sloppy in that particular post, which is entirely possible. So i guess I would figure it out by taking a test on metaphysics + +not sure i'm getting the point of your question though +--- 14992703 +>>14992682 +you are being silly +if one could get at truth like that, you should expect there to be universal agreement among everyone that wasn't being sloppy +--- 14992715 +Christians turned YHWH from an anthropomorphic God in the Old Testament who has human emotions like jealousy and anger, and even appears physically, into some abstract, inscrutable, Platonic ideal. Christianity is basically one step away from atheism, at least the Hebrews actually believed in God. Christians worship an idea, they're basically pantheists. +--- 14992720 +>>14992674 +;-) +--- 14992737 +>>14992592 +btw, being itself died on a cross 2000 years ago, then un-died +--- 14992751 +>>14992511 +Nothing is stopping you from doing anything. + +The problem with life is nihilism. If there are no rules, and there is no truth, then everything is permissible. And if everything is permissible, then there is no meaning to any action. Many people come up with fairly empty excuses about why this isn't true. They'll base their coping mechanisms on temporary things that would be good gifts in the proper context, but ultimately based in the impermanent. And so they make idols of the creation, instead of loving the creator. + +I venture that you know that there's goodness and you know that there's something wrong with the secular world. It's so afraid and plays many empty games around fear. It's so absolutely vain and self important. + +Islam removes the very thing which allowed Christians to work at practicing perfect love, which was Jesus' resurrection. EVERYTHING a Christian believes hinges on the resurrection. Without it, there is no forgiveness of sins. And since God cannot tolerate sin, there would be no relationship with God. + +I think Mormons believe that we are heavenly spirits who choose to enter a broken world. To me, this makes no sense, because relatively no one is born Mormon and many people are wicked. +--- 14992770 +>>14992751 +This is just an argument from consequence. +--- 14992779 +>>14992751 +>And since God cannot tolerate sin + +Why'd he create it then? +--- 14992799 +>>14992751 +>God cannot tolerate sin +Not even a little bit? + +Seems super stupid for a perfect God to create a world he knows will have stuff he doesn't like in it. +Doesn't want there to be sin, don't need to do anything - is already perfect - lacks for nothing, goes ahead and creates a world he knows will have sin in it. +Is he irrational or what? +--- 14992800 +>>14992751 +>instead of loving the creator + +Why would I love the creator of this disgusting world? A creator that tortures billions of innocent animals in nature and let's children suffer? +--- 14992808 +>>14992737 +>btw, being itself died on a cross 2000 years ago, then un-died +fascinating thought isn't it. +--- 14992837 +>>14992323 +Yes, and all matter was created by uh, uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh +--- 14992847 +>>14992837 +Energy, which always existed, even pre-bigbang, and can't be created or destroyed. +--- 14992850 +>>14992837 +all matter was created by the guy that died on a cross 2000 years ago +--- 14992853 +>>14992720 +Oh I get it. +Sacrifice is real isn't it? +It's a real act that stands out in an unreal world. +--- 14992855 +>>14992779 +God created free will. It's people that create sin. It's similar to the way we believe in circles when none exist in creation. People are free to create whatever illusions and untruths they want: + +People often mistake telling the truth about lifestyle choices as a form of discrimination. Discrimination is a negative label for speech that contradicts self-indulgence. + +Prejudice is often mistaken as "hating" a characteristic. +Prejudice is actually imagining for yourself that a thing has lesser or greater value and should be a point of shame or pride. + +Diversity is mistaken as being a thing of reverence and celebration. +Diversity is actually about amplifying shallow, surface level differences. + +Tolerance is affirmation that the choices people make for themselves is right. The world wants you to believe that you are the captain of your fate. Tolerance actually sets people up to become their own arbiter of justice and mercy and inflates self-importance. It's for people who want to usurp God. + +And no, God is not against science and understanding the mechanisms of the world. It's just that there's no real answers there because He is a personal and emotional being. If a hug were on a menu, or you saw an electro-chemical map of a hug it's nothing compared to the real thing. + +>>14992770 +Do you feel rationality to be a comfort to you? Has anyone ever logic'd you out of depression? +--- 14992867 +>>14992837 +>Where did a super-intelligent all-powerful complex magic God come from? + +uh, uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh +--- 14992873 +>>14992855 +>Do you feel rationality to be a comfort to you? Has anyone ever logic'd you out of depression? +Is this what belief in god is for you? A tool for avoiding depression? +--- 14992899 +>>14992703 +disagreement about what? about the argument, which is made by mere concepts, or whether it implies God's existence? +--- 14992925 +>>14992853 +--- 14992928 +>>14992873 +A world without meaning may as well not exist. There's 0 reason to survive without meaning. Or do you believe that you'd like to be a slave to some survival instinct? + +>>14992799 +Yes. God is irrationally in love with this broken world and desires your redemption from it. +--- 14992931 +>>14992899 +Nta but there is no universal agreement about the concepts as you've presented them. +t. philosophyfag +--- 14992945 +>>14992928 +>A world without meaning may as well not exist. There's 0 reason to survive without meaning. Or do you believe that you'd like to be a slave to some survival instinct? +I disagree with your assessment of the situation, but that's irrelevant. +>If god doesn't exist, I wouldn't like the outcome, therefore god exists. +^That's not an actual argument. +--- 14992946 +>>14992928 +The only reason to exist is to have sex and reproduce, like all animals do, like a virus. +--- 14992951 +>>14992931 +i know but the reason is not that the argument ican or can't be true, which is what he was implying. the reason is entirely different +--- 14992960 +>>14992799 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_4BPjLBF4E [Embed] + +Look at this AI learning to walk. +Why don't we just give it a walking animation and make it move to the points we want it to travel? +--- 14993024 +>>14992960 +yeah, why don't we? can you think of some reasons a human would want to make a robot that learns to walk? + +lol. why is theists favourite pastime to demean god and talk about how weak and needy he is? +--- 14993027 +>>14992960 +Because we get sadistic pleasure out of watching the character helplessly flop around for our entertainment. +--- 14993028 +>>14992946 +Sir, that is a bleak outlook. Is that thought what drives you? + +>>14992945 +You don't like the answer that God exists. No textual discourse or logical progression will ever show you that love is real. I can only assert that suffering and evil have been overcome. Gently, as if hugged. While the world still recoils, victory was grasped and the sword was released. Death is now meaningless and that freedom was bought with His blood. + +I don't like the answer that life is meaningless and random. No amount of discourse will convince me that love is not real. That we were created just to suffer and die. Or that we are on an infinite treadmill of adaptation with no endgame. It's not enough to fill our physical needs with pleasure. Our spiritual bread is love without reason and even in the midst of suffering. Even if you can poison the well of your soul in such a way, you shouldn't. Love is better. +--- 14993030 +>>14992928 +can there be meaning without a god? +--- 14993052 +>>14993028 +Stop putting words in my mouth. I'd prefer it if the world were ran by a loving god, but that preference will never be evidence of a loving god's existence no matter how hard you insist that it is. +--- 14993107 +>>14993030 +He's probably equivocating between meaning, purpose, function and a host of other things. Many such cases. +--- 14993219 +>>14993052 +I apologize for being unfair. If twenty people told you that water would quench your thirst, you might believe them. If you were thirsty, I'd suggest you try a drink. Again, I apologize if what I've said made you feel uncomfortable. As for irrevocable evidence, I hope you'll find that none exists for anything. + +>>14993107 +What is meaning? +What is function? +What is purpose? +Will drawing such distinctions and dissecting love make you feel it? Would it benefit you? + +>>14993030 +Sure. Many people define goals, aspirations for themselves, and so fashion themselves any number of temporary idols. What is the meaning of life to you? + +To me, I have no points of pride. I have no things to love for their own sake. But because God has given me stewardship, I'll attempt to do the imperfect while He handles the perfect: joy in the good, peace from the fear of death, patience with self and others, kindness in actions, acts of goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control/sobriety. +--- 14993279 +>>14993219 +>If twenty people told you that water would quench your thirst, you might believe them. If you were thirsty, I'd suggest you try a drink. +I'm not getting my panties in a twist either way. I'd prefer the loving god scenario, but the no god scenario isn't terrible either. +>As for irrevocable evidence, I hope you'll find that none exists for anything. +It's not about "irrevocable" evidence. It's rather that the evidence for god is very weak and committing to belief on those grounds is intellectually dishonest. It's basically self-deception. +--- 14993352 +>>14993279 +What does believing in God hold anyone back from doing, to you? +Let's say I'm self-deceived. I'm a part of a loving church community. I am married. I attempt to practice good works out of the grace that was afforded me. I don't worry about suffering because now I believe there's a purpose in it. I sang praises to God the week after I was diagnosed with cancer with my brothers and sisters. I've overcome my issues with childhood trauma and militant atheism. + +I know who I was before. It would be emotionally dishonest to say that God hasn't blessed me in every way. + +As far as intellectually dishonest, no man finds fault in his own judgment, his own senses. When we listen to a song or eat some food and find it disagreeable, we do not blame ourselves for lacking the sense to enjoy it, but find some flaw in the object itself. This is essentially the same with philosophy. We are not convinced by philosophical arguments, but like to pretend we are. Everyone in their heart of hearts understands that logic and language can be used to justify or prove anything. Empiricism, too. +--- 14993396 +>>14992284 +God is. No thing gets to "be" God. +--- 14993417 +>>14992405 +whataboutism. also derailing. + +>>14992401 +the universe is finite. time is merely a relative measure that contrasts matter and energy interacting continuously. matter and energy are finite and thus too is time. +--- 14993438 +>>14993352 +Sounds like you're a nihilist who pretends not to be a nihilist for personal satisfaction. "Emotional dishonesty" is a pretty funny concept, but the emotions are tied to your belief, not the object of your belief. +I've found faults in my own judgement plenty of times and subsequently revised my views. In my personal view, larping as Gorgias in 2023 is a bit infantile. +--- 14993494 +>>14993438 +Nihilists are just Christians without God. +>Life has an inherent meaning or purpose that is defined by God +>There are no objective moral or ethical standards except those defined by God +>Knowledge and truth are uncertain and subjective except that which is revealed by God +>(Secular) existence is meaningless and futile +>Human values are arbitrary and subjective without God +>Human endeavors and accomplishments are insignificant except how they bring glory to God +>(This broken world) is indifferent to human existence +>Nothing has intrinsic value or worth except as defined by God +When Nietzsche declared God dead, he immediately tried to re-invent God. + +I don't know who Gorgias is. +--- 14993497 +>>14993417 +What you mean matter is finite, it's not like it expires +--- 14993519 +>>14993352 +The lack of a belief in the supernatural is what's keeping me from taking Christian theism seriously, my confidence in Christianity being false is like 99.99% +Actually experiencing a miracle myself, would drop that number a LOT +--- 14993533 +>>14993494 +I suppose you're right about nihilists. These conclusions are definitely not obvious when looking in from other perspectives. +Gorgias was a Greek sophist who argued for really radical positions with regards to relativism of truth and such. +--- 14993620 +>>14993519 +99.99% seems too high to me. What odds would be good enough to accept the premise of a deity, though? + +More to your point: My concept of the supernatural allows me to think that mercy is a supernatural response to justice. It'd be like the judge who wrote the law comes down from his seat and puts himself in the place of a criminal who broke it, pays the cost of justice, then allows the criminal into his family with no strings attached. It would be ridiculous if it happened in any court around the world. +--- 14993623 +>>14992233 (OP) +Sounds hellish +--- 14993634 +>>14993494 +The meaning of life is to absorb matter(eat and drink) to keep your cells working then replicate the code that created you in the first place DNA before your cell dying off inside you kill you +--- 14993677 +>>14993620 +No I'm being serious, I'm VERY confident in ghosts, magic, etc, not being real +here I thought I was being conservative picking 99.99% + +If you were a betting man, and we had a way to get the fact of the matter, I'dd give you those odds. You put 1 dollar on the table, I put 10,000 + +Which is why experiencing a miracle myself, or being told about it by people I really really really trust, would be world-shaking to me. +--- 14993710 +>>14993634 +A life without hope at worst, or one that passes the existential problem to the next generation at best. Is life so reductive to you? + +What if I told you, that pain could be joy to you? I don't mean in the masochistic sense, but in the sense that if pain has a purpose, you would be willing to bear it in love? + +What if I told you that you have no enemies? That all you have is the souls around you, waiting for you to free them? + +What if I told you that you're right, this life is practically hopeless, but there is a way and a hope? + +I know you are lonely. No one who is saved writes things like this. There is life for you. There is a father who will say to you: ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ +--- 14993769 +>>14993677 +You're an interesting person, lol. I don't get ghosts at all, like how do they keep from getting sucked into earth's gravity well if they can pass through walls? Ghosts seem not real. + +I have for sure experienced indiscriminate love, and there's several real life "coincidences" that really give me pause and consider the likelihood that universe is random chance. Such as the consistency of electron charges, or the molecular "machines" that operate in cell DNA. I'd be willing to consider that it is random, though. + +So, even though those things aren't "proof", I don't think it's right to toss out God with the bath water of things like Loch Ness or Invisible Dragons in the Garage. There's at least some chance that the universe was directly designed and constructed by a hyper intelligent being. +--- 14993955 +Don't you know that ye are gods? Ah… You don't know who you are but Jesus has an answer for you. God gave you all of himself wrapped up in Jesus Christ so I invite you to receive him so that he shows things that even you don't know. I don't like it when people don't see themselves through God's eyes. +--- 14994175 +>>14992233 (OP) +Nietzsche's conclusion was basically that God is dead and that men have to become God. + +When you really think about it from an atheist point of view, IT IS POSSIBLE for man to essentially become a demi-god. But keyword is possible. + +100+ years later we see man chose rather to be untermensch than ubermensch. +Why did man become untermensch? Because being God, being the limit of all that is possible is terrifying. + +Man was never meant to be a God. diff --git a/his/14992286.txt b/his/14992286.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9dee4670880669f8973e7505ef602528db54c0a9 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992286.txt @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +----- +--- 14992286 +>all men are created equal +--- 14992296 +>>14992286 (OP) +yeah, where did this shit meme originate? +--- 14992361 +>>14992286 (OP) +>created +but men weren't created??? Evolution, hello? +--- 14992365 +>>14992286 (OP) +LITERALLY antiscientific knowing what we know about evolution +--- 14992372 +correct +--- 14992382 +>>14992286 (OP) +>we hold these truths to be self evident +--- 14992390 +>>14992286 (OP) +>Men and women are created equal +Do you actually believe this? +--- 14992393 +>>14992361 +>>14992365 +--- 14992416 +>>14992393 +--- 14992435 +>>14992416 +is there a solution for moderates and 95% of the normal people to get their society back? +how long are we going to be held hostage by radicals on both sides? +serious question +--- 14992447 +>>14992435 +Probably not, queer theory psychos are forcing their way into schools and abusing the court system to troon kids out. There is not escaping it, and they expect normies to roll over without a fight. +--- 14992464 +>>14992416 +Science supports the bible, I stopped reading after that. + +Don't worry, you can transform into a woman in 2 weeks, Sarah, trust the plan. +--- 14992472 +>>14992464 +nice projection christroon +--- 14992490 +>>14992472 +>believe all life transformed from other forms of life +>claims others believing in trannyism +Yeah bro, your great great ... great great grandpappy was a tranny, transformed from a fish to man. Just like you believe you'll be a woman with those hormone pills and surgeries, faggot. +--- 14992529 +>>14992490 +No, science supports the concept of sexual dimorphism in mammals. Queer theory is antiscience. +--- 14992537 +>>14992286 (OP) +In the Hamilton musical, I cringed pretty hard at the woman saying "When I meet Thomas Jefferson, imma compel him to include women in the sequel!" +(I watched it out of morbid curiosity.) +--- 14992547 +>>14992490 +>>14992464 +Xesus was a troon +--- 14992567 +>>14992537 +Wasn’t it one of the Skylar sisters who said that? I don’t know much about those sisters, so I’m not sure if anything of them were feminists/proto-feminists. +--- 14992582 +Why are you guys so obsessed with trannies? +--- 14992583 +>>14992567 +It was. +--- 14992591 +>>14992583 +So how much do we know about the one that said that like in the play? Was there any feminist movement at the time? +--- 14992594 +>>14992529 +>unironically uses the word queer +lmao, dumb gaytheists will never understand why they always lose their dumb culture war when they're too busy fighting the only people standing for anything good in this world. +--- 14992605 +>>14992594 +Being Jewish bootlickers isn't "good" you queer, neither is getting your morality from Jews +--- 14992635 +>>14992605 +Just keep revealing your ignorance, Sarah. + +Every Christian on /his/ is laughing at you. +--- 14992700 +>>14992594 +What’s wrong using the word “queer”? +--- 14992714 +>>14992390 +It allows me to punch women so yes +--- 14992766 +>>14992286 (OP) +>current year +>people still filtered by this line +It means roughly equal with respect to political capacity, or the ability to participate in a government. Which is intuitive when you consider the extent to which the views of very intelligent and informed people end up differing amongst themselves. Your average person, assuming they have a half-decent education, will know enough to form their own political opinions about what policies are in their interest without some nobleman or commissar claiming to make decisions on their behalf. +--- 14992786 +>>14992766 +>average person +>half decent education + +how in the fuck does that mean all? youre literally grabbing a section of the population using those terms +--- 14992980 +>>14992286 (OP) +Equality under the law for those who abide by those laws was a noble pursuit, but now it has been subverted to the point it means nothing. +--- 14993255 +>>14992766 +You are going to need to define each and every one of your standards concerning the average person, its "education" (whatever that means, concerning schools trade not in philosophy but competences), their "knowledge", their "political opinion" and all that as pertaining to a political context of democracy, before I can even begin to explain to your smoothbrain how WRONG it is. diff --git a/his/14992354.txt b/his/14992354.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..be28a9a1947ad5d3a03edd95301361517003f60e --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992354.txt @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +----- +--- 14992354 +Historically speaking what's the reason for inflation of military distinctions? +--- 14992404 +>>14992354 (OP) +There's a lot of politics in the military nowadays. There are people there who can barely fire a weapon but know the right asses to kiss and they get a bunch of commendations for it +--- 14992415 +>>14992354 (OP) +Circlejerking. +--- 14992440 +>>14992354 (OP) +Remember when Obummer purged 2/3rds of top generals and then replaced them with his sycophants? + +Remember when everyone told him his troop surge approach to Iraw was retarded so he quietly revered his decision and pulled out of the country so quickly the resulting power vacuum led to the rise of ISIS? + +God he was stupid. +--- 14992444 +I will post the post with the truth: + +Since most militaries in western countries are not directly involved in wars, medals are not a way to measure bravery/courage but a way to signify some person has an specific skill (“finished first in his shooting training “) or he has made a big effort in his career (“he was twice in Iraq and three times in Lithuania”). Obviously countries that are in the middle of a conventional war have less medals, but those actually signify an important deed +--- 14992450 +>>14992440 +It was intentional. Syria was the next target after destroying Iraq. +--- 14992451 +>>14992354 (OP) +Some of these are participation trophies basically like the McDonald's ribbon, some are based on time served like the good conduct ribbon, some are for participating in specific campaigns and operations or serving a deployment, some are for weapon proficiency and some are for being recognized for doing your specific job really good. He's clearly been in long enough to amass a fuck wack of these ribbons. +--- 14992459 +>>14992450 +I know, remember the only time the media praised Trump is when he did missile strikes on Iraq, one of the reasons shitlibs seethe about covering up Killary's emails is because she was talking about boots on the ground in Syria +--- 14992483 +It's a coping mechanism. I got a ribbon just for joining at the time. +--- 14992493 +>>14992483 +I got two, National Defense and GWOT just for being in +--- 14992521 +>>14992354 (OP) +>Historically speaking what's the reason for inflation of military distinctions? +Peace. Or perhaps it would be more appropriate to say, lack of overt conventional war. +If there's no way to earn distinction through fighting, the military has to make up ways to get it. +--- 14992553 +>>14992354 (OP) + +Most of Milley's fruit salad is just generic long service and good conduct awards (stuff you get for just not being a blatantly corrupt piece of shit), plus some specialist schools like the Q Course (US Army Special Forces), Air Assault School, Airborne School, and the like. + +t. Army +--- 14992657 +>>14992354 (OP) +It's not an inflation of military distinctions, it's an inflation of ego. Eisenhower was one of the humblest people of history if you compare the sheer amount of power he had to what he actually did with it. + +Take Brezhnev as a counter example. What did he do? +>career politician +>immediately became a colonel without ever having to pass any sort of training because of political connections +>ruined the Soviet economy when he became general secretary +--- 14992789 +>>14992404 +>nowadays +You know nothing about the Civil War, broski. +--- 14993003 +>>14992440 +>Remember when everyone told him his troop surge approach to Iraw was retarded +Except it was Petraeus's surge idea and it was from 2007-2008 you retard. The Surge under Obama was in Afghanistan in 2010 and Obama was skeptical from the start +--- 14993013 +in Joe Biden's army you can get a Medal For Distinguished Service for crossdressing on duty +--- 14994366 +>>14992451 +nigga theyre ALL participation award trophies. +I fucking made toilet wine and sold it to iraqis and I got a fucking 3x3 rack worth of bullshit. Shit dudes were intentionally driving over IEDS in their shit so they can get their purple hearts. +--- 14994384 +>>14993003 +>Obama was skeptical +That's overestimating his competence. Obama only cared about one thing, and that's his public image. That why he drone struck everything because you can't show dying drone soldiers on TV with his name scrolling at the bottom. He was intentionally super weak so that he wouldn't have a PR disaster, hamstringing the army for his personal benefit +--- 14994386 +>>14992354 (OP) +That can't be Ike's whole rack. I have 4 racks and only spent 6 years active duty and deployed once to helmand province. +--- 14994389 +>>14992440 +>Remember when Obummer purged 2/3rds of top generals and then replaced them with his sycophants? +Bush did the same thing before he invaded. Not defending the nigger, just saying most of the top brass haven't exactly earned their stripes in a long time. +--- 14994434 +>>14992354 (OP) +saving face +--- 14994474 +>>14992657 +Hitler had a massive ego but only ever wore a single medal: the Iron Cross that he received in World War I. I think it has to do with the fact that people who have actually fought in wars put more value on their medals than people who haven't. +--- 14994487 +>>14992354 (OP) +Who killed more Russians? +--- 14994514 +>>14993013 +She'd beat her Russian counterparts with superior speedrunning strats THOUGH +--- 14994566 +>>14994474 +>people who have actually fought in wars put more value on their medals +Enlisted men famously hate medals. In WWI and 2 they would often trade them for alcohol or cigs or whatever, luxury items. In Vietnam dudes would just straight up throw them away. There was a huge demonstration in Washington where guys threw their medals onto the White House lawn and said fuck that meaningless shit. The Confederates in the Civil War literally chose not to even issue medals and the only distinction for valor they made was to be mentioned in army dispatches. + +Traditionally medals only matter to POGs, Rear echelon officers, and peace time soldiers who never really saw war. diff --git a/his/14992376.txt b/his/14992376.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..3996ec6587ca9628d36b15b4b1f3fa1b182d0705 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992376.txt @@ -0,0 +1,31 @@ +----- +--- 14992376 +He did nothing wrong. +--- 14992446 +>>14992376 (OP) +This old dude had his own badass themetune + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og43-7QUphw&ab_channel=DPRKVideoArchive [Embed] +--- 14992460 +he was by far the worst leader of north korea, a retard brat who assumed power through using what little intelligence he had to purge everyone who could stop him + +The common assumption in Japan and South Korea was that North Korea kidnapping people was a silly urban rumor designed to discredit them, as part of the detente of the Sunshine Policy Jong-Il decided to publically apologize for the kidnappings, which instantly ended any prospects of successful peace talks. Had he said nothing Japan and SK would just have continued assuming it was bullshit, instead he single-handedly torpedoed any prospect of the Sunshine policy making progress. + +On top of this at the worst point of the famine he initiated seongun, which just made the famine worse as the few resources the country had went straight to the military, causing much more starvation than was needed considering China would have defended them anyway. + +He spent more time directing fucking dino movies than he did administering the state, they'd be much better off if one of the generals put a bullet in his head. +--- 14992482 +>>14992376 (OP) +He was dumber than his father and didn't have the chops of being a guerilla combatant +--- 14993854 +>>14992482 +He was screwed over by ther Soviets dissolving and by South Korea getting rid of their dictatorship and liberalizing which made the South seem less harsh in comparison to the North. +--- 14993945 +>>14993854 +He was screwed over by Juche and refusing to collaborate closer with the Chinese, he should have sucked it up in order to avoid a famine +--- 14993963 +>>14993945 +During the Sino-Soviet split, his father had attempted to play both sides off each other. The entire concept of Juche was to keep from taking a specific Chinese or Russian line. He couldn't fall into one of the either camps without losing the country's independence and rendering it a foreign vassal state like virtually everything east of Germany was in the 80s. +--- 14993985 +>>14993963 +I know, but with the dissolution of the USSR in the 90's he needed mass grain/fertilizer imports from a sympathetic state, which as we know didn't happen and led to the Arduous March diff --git a/his/14992389.txt b/his/14992389.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..fd3d368c773087e144f8b0215873cf2175bf5ff0 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992389.txt @@ -0,0 +1,63 @@ +----- +--- 14992389 +Is he the biggest fraud in history? +--- 14992563 +>>14992389 (OP) +Wrong board. +--- 14993082 +>>14992389 (OP) +>Pissi Cuckitini +--- 14993085 +>>14992389 (OP) +O TWAIN +--- 14993123 +>>14993085 +--- 14993151 +>>14992389 (OP) +Who? +--- 14993160 +>>14993151 +Pissi Kiketini +--- 14993617 +>>14992389 (OP) +Yes +--- 14993636 +>>14992389 (OP) +In the streets of Paris a ghostly sight +Lionel Pessi roams the night +Now tremble in the face of his tricks +The master of the penalty kick +--- 14993662 +>>14992389 (OP) +lol seething PSG bot + +PSG lost +Penaldo lost +France lost +Africa lost +Europeans won +--- 14993670 +>>14993662 +Give penalty pls +My goat needs EIBAR and BOLIVIA or he will retire +--- 14993685 +>>14993662 +riggi riggitini +--- 14993695 +>>14993662 +>Riggi Riggitini +--- 14993728 +>>14993662 +R +--- 14993921 +>>14993728 +This image speaks volumes. +--- 14993924 +>where is eibar +--- 14994146 +>>14992389 (OP) +Old mcPessi had a farm, E-I-E-I-O +On that farm he had Eibar, E-I-E-I-O +Old mcPessi had a farm, E-I-E-I-O +--- 14994318 +pisi diff --git a/his/14992555.txt b/his/14992555.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0cddb9ba5d757e60c58840a57722c9c507e355dc --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992555.txt @@ -0,0 +1,130 @@ +----- +--- 14992555 +JANNY COURT IS NOW IN SESSION + +what is going on with jannies here? ive seen porn threads stay on the 'log for hours, but jannies will sometimes hand out random little 1 day bans for innocuous shit like this. there are threads up now that should be deleted according to this hardworking janny right here. people always talk about politics and ideologies because they go hand in hand with history and humanities, and we arent going to fucking /pol/ to have a genuine discussion about socialism you autistic retard. + +show yourself and respond ITT janny, so you can be judged by both me and the jury. but i know you wont, coward. delete this thread like the weakling you are +--- 14992957 +>>>/pol/ + +subhuman +--- 14993079 +>>14992957 +How was OP's thread not history/humanities related? +--- 14993106 +>>14992555 (OP) +There’s a porn thread that’s been up for six hours lmao +--- 14993157 +>>14992555 (OP) +100% humanities related +--- 14993544 +>>14992555 (OP) +Wait? Did a janny just do something? Impressive, I guess. +--- 14994185 +>>14992555 (OP) +I suspect there is only one janny on this board that doesn't give a shit. it's only within a specific hour each day that the board is purged of like 10 threads and then nothing more. you could probably post tranny porn if you want for the next about 8 hours and it'll stay up. they must be American. especially if any of you have been awake long enough to see how the board gets raped by tourists each night. +--- 14994198 +>>14994185 +>purged of like 10 threads +All of them related to History and Humanities while the racebait and tranny threads stay up. +--- 14994218 +>>14994198 +>racebait and tranny threads stay up +I don't know what's more fun, calling niggers retarded (as in all leftists) when they come here thinking they're going to get their way or being a "good boy" and exhausting their npc dialogue while all but explicitly pointing out why they're subhuman retards and the faggot mod can't do anything about it +--- 14994275 +>>14994218 +Surely they were banned as well +--- 14994282 +>>14992555 (OP) +>at least it was a /his/ only ban +--- 14994292 +>>14992957 +Janny think this fake mustache and monocle is actually doing something for him +--- 14994293 +>>14994218 +>hidden +>hidden +>hidden +I'm sure all of the hidden posts aren't important context to the thread like maybe /pol/tards cheering on the death of a 14 year old. +--- 14994297 +>>14994218 +in janny's defense, it was his 70th ban +--- 14994320 +This might come off as a conspiracy but i sometimes think some specific jannies in purpose promote porn and spam threads, not removing them at specific period of time is enough evidence. +--- 14994323 +I've been posting on 4chan for 14 years and have never been banned. I acknowledge that this statement may jiggle the breasts of any devilish mods that have infiltrated this wonderful thread +--- 14994328 +>>14992555 (OP) +Why doesn't jannies just transfer threads to their appropriate board instead of banning people? +--- 14994332 +>>14994323 +>never been banned +You sucking their clits under the desks help +--- 14994333 +>>14994297 +Almost all from the same janny, all for calling the same like 5 retards niggers. So really it's like getting perma'd for a single post, and that's saying the n word. He can't actually ban me for anything else because he knows I'm right, so he has to ban me effectively for cursing. Which is exactly was a disingenuous tranny would do, because he knows that braindead commies come here and try and "commiepill" people by blatantly lying. But I guess lying subhumans are better for advertisers than calling them what they are, niggers. +--- 14994335 +>>14994275 +haha +--- 14994375 +>>14994320 +They all work to undermine any real discussion. There's no reason for anyone reasonable to be a janny, the only element of society interested in it are psycho manipulators including the PR industry. +At some point the industrial scale manipulators identified forums like 4chan as influential in undermining their narrative control. To retain control all they need to do is reduce the quality of forums in general, undermine our ability to think and communicate. Like they did on TV for decades they also undermine thought by promoting the worst imaginable retards as representative of every side of every issue. +Historically this was called black magic. Today black magic sorcerers in the service of demons own all your souls. +--- 14994382 +>>14994333 +oh I see now. You're mad because you're another spamming /pol/troon that wandered from his containment board. you probsbly deserved that ban +--- 14994394 +>>14994382 +You know it's not wise to use the same tranny lingo that's in the picture of your retarded white jihadist fanfiction posts + +Way too obvious, like you're literally starving for attention + +But mods don't ban schizophrenics that are desperate for attention either, because they make so many posts they make people think the board is more active than it really is +--- 14994400 +>>14994394 +>whining about ideologues showing up and spamming retarded shit +>does the same thing for his borderline fedposts about killing niggers +Nah. you're definitely contributing to this board's decay as much as they are. +--- 14994401 +>>14993079 +Janjans regularly hand out bans when they see something they disagree with or when they're just grumpy and feel like taking out their anger at something. It's not just /his/, every board is like that. But there's no way to fix it. +--- 14994404 +>>14994400 +Again I'm not here to talk about your fanfictions about /his/ being some sort of black genocide nerve center you retarded nigger +--- 14994407 +>>14994375 +Based schizo speaks the truth, yet it falls on deaf ears +--- 14994412 +>>14994218 +>those hidden posts +lol. c'mon nigga. I was in that thread. +--- 14994531 +>>14994375 +I don't think that any of them are PAID shills, anon. +--- 14994540 +>be racist +>get banned for racism +>HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN???! +--- 14994551 +>>14994531 +Why wouldn't they be? A janny on /tv/ works at Paramount, just because xer paycheck doesn't say "shill" doesn't mean it's not a paid shill. The people with monetary interests connected to narrative control value these positions very highly while everyone else sees them as worthless. In this situation guess what kind of people will fill every position? +--- 14994647 +>>14992555 (OP) +Janny deleted a post of mine about religion and sexuality a week or so ago. +A screenshot of a news article about Marywood University, a Roman Catholic University, allowing drag shows. + +It's part of & Humanities. +--- 14994680 +>>14994185 +i saw the janny delete like 2 pages of shitty frogs and bait threads so he like maybe bothered for 2 days and then decided to play with his balls all day +--- 14994776 +>>14994323 +dude give the janny something to work, they will be fired if not! +--- 14994823 +>>14992555 (OP) +I had a short trial for a /int/ mod today, I believed the Turkish poster was him because I demanded he answer the second time I put the thread up and the turk was the fastest to say something. +I had moderate replies and was satisfied with awareness and what I believe to be a response “it’s mean and racist” +I make sure to tell all Turks they are really just Greeks now. +I was banned for saying “same as always, blacks just monkeying around” diff --git a/his/14992573.txt b/his/14992573.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..6e7b82c4d5cbb55bcfbda9a9d7679e42fa84aeff --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992573.txt @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +----- +--- 14992573 +Survive the Jive had a new documentary on Scythians +https://youtu.be/Xsowwl7s4Q0 [Embed] +--- 14992650 +>>14992573 (OP) +Interesting ty. +--- 14992665 +>>14992573 (OP) +Kiked version of Asha Logos. +--- 14992912 +he has started pronouncing their ethnonym correctly, with a hard c sound + +that is a step in the right direction +--- 14992917 +>>14992573 (OP) +Kiked up grifter +Anyone asking for your money deserves to be spat on +--- 14992924 +>>14992573 (OP) +Varg tier retardation +--- 14992942 +one thing I think is weird about this video is the part where he just shits on Origen for no reason + +also the embarrassing use of some 2d trannyjak at one point, I stopped watching + +he might be going loopy, needs to get a handle on his optics +--- 14992977 +>>14992573 (OP) +Is the content good when it comes to disclosing sources, art, and research? +I'm 6 seconds in and I will only put up with this Zoomer mr beast tier editing if its good. +--- 14992991 +>>14992977 +I liked tom's video on the Tea trade though. But it didn't have this editing. +--- 14993004 +>>14992977 +>ADHD infested zoomer asks a retarded question that can be answered by taking 1 of the six seconds he watched to check the description +Take some adderal and get the small amount of energy you need to finally shower and clean your room, chud +--- 14993010 +>>14992991 +>referring to this loser by first name +He's not your buddy you gay simp +--- 14993089 +>>14993004 +Never, faggot. +Anyway, apart from the tea vid I haven't seen many of his videos so I'm asking if they're good or not. +>>14993010 +Fair enough. Don't seethe so hard next time anyway, fellow sperg. +--- 14993098 +>>14993010 +>>14992942 +>>14992924 +>>14992917 +>>14992665 +hi trannypol +--- 14993175 +>>14992573 (OP) +>sea of azov, russia +uh oh chud alert! +--- 14993183 +>>14993175 +are those chuds here, with us? +--- 14993237 +>>14992924 +>Varg tier retardation +How so? +--- 14993348 +>>14992977 +>Is the content good when it comes to disclosing sources, art, and research? +StJ's sources include skimming wikipedia and 4chan infographics +--- 14993351 +>>14993348 +I wouldn't be surprised if they actually were doing that. +--- 14993359 +>>14993351 +But I trust the guy he seems like he researches his shit. +--- 14993362 +>>14992573 (OP) +>coomer thumbnail +--- 14993628 +>>14993237 +Last retarded thing I remember is how he called ancient north eurasians "genetic europeans" diff --git a/his/14992576.txt b/his/14992576.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1dea94ce47682006d777f3bcc79a1c522d88a924 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992576.txt @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@ +----- +--- 14992576 +If there is one person I can go back in time to murder would be the guy that decided cellular signals would be better suited for mobile communications. Holy fucking shit the world is so dumb today. Picrel is what a "smartphone" should look like. +--- 14992604 +>>14992576 (OP) +The scientist who invented ((((((birth control pills)))))), pure evil. +--- 14993296 +>>14992576 (OP) +>>14992604 +Both these things could've been avoided by giving marx a double barrel popsicle +--- 14993333 +>>14993296 +That makes no sense +--- 14993346 +>>14992576 (OP) +>Holy fucking shit the world is so dumb today. Picrel is what a "smartphone" should look like. +You're not very good at selling your position, anon. +--- 14993360 +>>14992576 (OP) +Abraham +--- 14993383 +>>14992576 (OP) +Alexander Hamilton +https://therightstuff.biz/2020/04/12/ftn-american-mephistopheles-hamilton-deep-dive/ +--- 14993404 +>>14993360 +Slavery is cringe, cope and seethe. +--- 14993411 +>>14993296 +What the fuck did Marx have to do with contraceptives and digital communications technology? lmfao diff --git a/his/14992599.txt b/his/14992599.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e50166fae06dca3b45bf77b683a35f1b4015e2d1 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992599.txt @@ -0,0 +1,138 @@ +----- +--- 14992599 +>you WILL be tortured FOREVER + +Fuck you, pshycho +--- 14992606 +this is you +--- 14992610 +>>14992599 (OP) +The idea that God tortures his creations forever for evil is especially ironic considering the Bible makes it very clear that God is the creator of evil in the first place. + + +Isaiah 45:7 +>I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. + +>inb4 "evil" actually means something else +Look at how the original Greek word for evil is used in other verses. +--- 14992614 +Worth it to make reddit atheoids seethe +--- 14992619 +Why are atheists so mentally ill? +--- 14992622 +>>14992606 +https://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy +this is you +--- 14992642 +>>14992610 +>Look at how the original Greek word for evil is used in other verses. +Isaiah was written in Hebrew my dude, quit seething and learn instead +--- 14992645 +>>14992642 +exactly, learn the true way of christianity like this man here: +https://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy +--- 14992658 +>>14992619 +your God is literally cartel-tier sadist +--- 14992662 +>>14992645 +Not opening your links, post it to the image board like a man +--- 14992666 +>>14992622 +This is that same gay porn link someone called out in the other thread? + +Atheists are such fucking losers. Why don't they just kill themselves already? They're never going to amount to anything, all they do is spend all day spamming /his/ and all they end up doing is getting mad in their own shitty bait threads. +--- 14992672 +>>14992642 +>Original Hebrew +My point still stands. The original Hebrew word for "evil" (Ra) used in the verse means exactly what it says +--- 14992678 +>>14992662 +>post porn and get b& +nah man not evereyone is christarded like you +--- 14992686 +>>14992666 +is it you in the pic? daaaamn, when is the suicide, are you livestreaming it? +--- 14992693 +>>14992686 +Yeah man, just do the world a favor and end your life. Nobody will miss you. Not in this world, and not when you're destroyed by God. +--- 14992701 +>>14992693 +shouldn't have: +1. being a massive faggot +2. posting your boypussy for all to see +it's now done so, welp +--- 14992705 +>>14992599 (OP) +So you know you can avoid punishment, but refuse to do so because of pride despite believing that avoiding pain is the greatest good, all the while calling other who know a good choice when they hear one as mentally ill? +>The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” +--- 14992726 +>>14992672 +You think this word exclusively means evil? https://biblehub.com/hebrew/ra_7451.htm +--- 14992728 +>>14992705 +>The greatest good is cucking to existential blackmail +Never change, Christcucks +--- 14992735 +>>14992726 +>https://biblehub.com/hebrew/ra_7451.htm +Yeah, read through it yourself +--- 14992739 +>>14992599 (OP) +Marcion was right +--- 14992761 +>>14992735 +You're clearly blind then +--- 14992769 +>>14992599 (OP) +OP makes straw man arguments. +--- 14992782 +>>14992769 +>a christcuck thread died for this +fix'd +also this is literally you and your fellow discord troons: +https://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy +--- 14992783 +>>14992739 +Doesn’t that mean “faggot” in Mexican? +--- 14992823 +>>14992782 +You don't even understand what you are attacking. +--- 14992900 +>>14992599 (OP) +Yeah if you turn away from God you will be a prey for demons that also have turned away from God and they are eager to drag you down into their own place of damnation just to torture you as you are being tortured. +And the worst torture is to not be able to see God in all his magnificence and the second worse is the worm of conscience knowing you fucked up for eternity. +This is consequence for your actions because you have free will (like the fallen angels have) and you even refused to appeal to God's infinite mercy and repent. +You have been warned thousand times and there is no argument you can pick up it's literally how it is and you can't dodge or counterargument. +--- 14992921 +>>14992900 +How is God's mercy infinite if he tortures those who don't accept it forever? That's not really a mercy to begin with. +--- 14992987 +>>14992921 +There cannot be mercy without free will. +Free will has to contemplate refusing God to the most catastrophic consequence otherwise you're just a meat puppet. +If God possessed "mercy" as you describe you wouldn't have free will. +--- 14993009 +>>14992987 +> Ephesians 1:4-5: “Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before him in love he predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of his will.” +The Bible makes it clear that those who are saved are already predetermined as such, therefore your argument about free will isn't theologically sound +--- 14993012 +>>14992987 +>Free will has to contemplate refusing God to the most catastrophic consequence otherwise you're just a meat puppet. +Are you retarded? +--- 14993288 +>>14993009 +If there were a box that only had a treasure in it if I willed it, then I would will it. Those who don't just to prove a foolish point have no place in heaven. His mercy costs nothing and is free to everyone. What does your disobedience amount to anyway? There is literally nothing worth doing that doesn't bring glory to God. +--- 14994053 +Don't you see that this is the only way for the demons that are holding something over your life, demons who all they want is for accidents to happen in the highway, demons who only want to see you lose as badly as possible, as sick as possible, as lost as possible that you don't even you why some things must be? +--- 14994082 +>>14992728 +Do you lack such awareness that life is one continuous blackmail? +Do atheists unironically think that they consented of being born before they existed and force to live in a world that's certainly trying to replace them opposed to one that doesn't? +--- 14994113 +>>14992599 (OP) +You're retarded. 99% of the Bible is symbolic, it just looks literal if you are some stupid uneducated fuck without any knowledge in linguistics and hermeneutics. + +Sin is that which is not of God. If Heaven is perfection or God incarnate than sin cannot "physically" exist in his presence. If you are unclean, you will be an eternal being cast into the void with the others. After you know what you missed, and will never have. That is when you will curse God, cry, and gnash your teeth. +--- 14994130 +Well I needed to hear that I guess diff --git a/his/14992618.txt b/his/14992618.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..be6d0798505fec6e2bedcbbfa6a81a274eb91c55 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992618.txt @@ -0,0 +1,25 @@ +----- +--- 14992618 +How important was the western theatre to the civil war? I’d imagine that new Ireland and the Mississippi were the most significant aspect of the west. Feel free tot all about trade, important battles, whatever. +--- 14992624 +>>14992618 (OP) +*New Orleans, not “New Ireland”. Retard moment on my part. +--- 14992936 +The western theater served as an avenue of military operations by Union armies directly into the agricultural heartland of the South via the major rivers of the region (the Mississippi, the Tennessee, and the Cumberland). + +Lack of food ment Lee had to advance into Maryland for foraging and supply, exposing his army to massacres on two occasions +--- 14992995 +The land battles are interesting but the river actions are unique in naval history. The Union built an ironclad flotilla early in the war that had a lot to do with Grant’s success, but they also had non armored gunboats, many of them crewed for a while by a private navy, the Ellet family. The Tebs countered with a few crude ironclads, and “cottonclads”, unarmed fast steamboat with cotton bales piled around the machinery that made kamikaze runs to ram Union ironclads and managed to cripple a few. Then there’s Farragut’s blue water flotilla that steamed up the Mississippi. I could sperg out forever on this topic but will let you go some research. It’s crazy. +--- 14993005 +>>14992995 +Any books you’d recommend? Also, feel free to sperg out as much as you want. +--- 14993540 +>>14993005 +None off the top of my head but any book on the campaigns for the Mississippi will have beaucoup boats. One wacky sideshow I didn’t mention is the Union’s Red River campaign of 1864, which was supposed to be a mop up operation in a theater isolated from the rest of the Confederacy, but it turned into a fiasco where the Union nearly lost their whole ironclad fleet. +--- 14994081 +>>14993540 +this seems cool thanks +--- 14994558 +>>14994081 +https://civilwarmonths.com/2023/02/25/deluded-people-cave-in/ +Here’s probably the greatest prank of the war. The Rebs captured a Union ironclad so the Yankees built a fake ironclad from an old coal barge and floated it by Vicksburg. The Confederate batteries blasted away and couldn’t sink it, so they freaked out and scuttled their captured ship. diff --git a/his/14992633.txt b/his/14992633.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5a5661d055db604c607766bfc6236b3878852999 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992633.txt @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +----- +--- 14992633 +If Christianity is true and you want people to buy into it, why didnt any prophet or Jesus just straight up be like +>thousand years from now people are going to discover little things called Atoms that have protons, neutrons and electrons. They make up all of matter +>in the year 2000 there will be something called the internet where people from all over the world can communicate with each other via electricity and wavelengths + +those are actual prophecies. +Not "Judea will be conquered. The temple will be destroyed" +--- 14992654 +>hey Christcucks, if your religion is true why isn't there any proof +>NO NOT THAT PROOF +>I want proof that matches the incredibly arbitrary criteria I just made up don't have it huh looks like I win again +--- 14992676 +>>14992654 +>NO NOT THAT PROOF +Yeah nah the voices you hear in your head aren't proof. Does that upset you? +--- 14992765 +>>14992633 (OP) +They have no answer so they’ll try to insult you. +--- 14992772 +This is one of those ridiculous questions. It's like atheists want the Bible to be a science book rather than a spiritual book. Plus the fact that if God just revealed all the mysteries of the universe then there would be no excitement of making new scientific discoveries. +--- 14992774 +>>14992633 (OP) +There's already plenty of stuff like that. + +You've never even read or studied it or even tried looking this up. Why should anyone spoonfeed someone so lazy? All you atheists want to do is have a little tantrum, vent, and dab on the heckin christ chuds. See: >>14992765 proving my point. + +Get a life and stop spamming /his/ with your little discord groomer group already. You losers have made this board practically unusable with your endless baby tantrums. +--- 14992776 +>>14992772 +very spiritual +https://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy +--- 14992794 +God only wants you, he doesn't need you. Nobody needs to engage with your disingenuousness +--- 14992811 +>>14992774 +>There's already plenty of stuff like that. +The Bible predicts computers and the internet? +--- 14992817 +>>14992633 (OP) +>Christcucks + +Opinion discarded. +OP is a faggot. +--- 14992832 +>>14992633 (OP) +Religion generally and Christianity specifically reveals universal truths which are applicable to all people at all times (relevancy) and also those that are essential to the health and safety of the soul (faith). Although true religion and science do not contradict, religious texts are not meant to be taken as scientific texts. There are other books, such as encyclopedias which are more voluminous and suited toward this purpose. Books like the bible omit details which are plainly evident to the human senses, or which are not relevant to his eternal salvation. Also, if you predict a discovery, you just caused it to be discovered thus ruining the prediction. +--- 14992833 +>>14992633 (OP) +>Atoms proton electrons +pleb, pic related +>Not "Judea will be conquered. The temple will be destroyed" +Why aren't those prophecies? +--- 14992908 +>>14992833 +>Why aren't those prophecies? +Theyre as much of a prophecy as people predicting the stock market crashing, like multiple people did in 2007. + +Meanwhile, predicting the advent of computers, robots, ai in a pre-electricity society is so out there, you would literally need God to tell you. +--- 14992933 +>>14992633 (OP) +Because your salvation means more than than physics and technology. +--- 14992973 +>>14992933 +The point of the question went way over your head. +--- 14993332 +>>14992633 (OP) +>I want prophecies from two thousands years ago +>addressed to people from two thousands years ago +>to be specifically about my time and its scientific knowledge +>not the scientific knowledge from 200 years ago or the one from 2000 years in the future, no, the one about my specific era +But why? +--- 14993358 +>>14992633 (OP) +If it was true the bible should have mentioned something that would be impossible for humans to know like + +Black Holes +"Out there in thy creation there exist those that lack radiance drawing near all that exists bringing their being into an end for eternity" + +Pathogens +"And so say to thee those hidden travelers all over the known world your are their vessel" + +Radiation +"Thou stood on the mountain high as all yet thou had fallen moments later thine hair fell off and thou had become very ill" +--- 14993368 +There is no answer because it isn't true. +Every 'accurate' prophesy in the bible was actually written after the result in question, then back-projected to before it. The book of Isiah predicting the Baylonian activity is but one example. +And any random bullshit that is patently false is now 'uh it was always a metaphor!' because they want to memoryhole the long history of their religion touting random bullshit as truth. +At the end of the day, it's there to divorce people from their hard earned money every Sunday, and to keep the rabble in check; anyone saying the emperor has no clothes just won't be tolerated. +--- 14993376 +Prophecies are stupid in general because it assumes the world has an ending that is short term like thousands of years from now not 5 billion years from now +--- 14993478 +>>14992933 +Such as? Don't even bother with the usual "muh m-meaning" cope. +--- 14993527 +>>14992633 (OP) +because the message of Christ was for your soul which is eternal not for the body which will die. + Christ focused on what really mattered not the things of this world but the things to come +--- 14993759 +>>14993527 +The point of the question is the Christian God proving he exists for all of mankind. +--- 14994021 +God is concerned about eternal things, not knowledge of the Earth that will come to nothing. You are not a Jew so you wouldn't care about the temple. It means nothing to you. God is God not even because he reveals himself but why not just go to a prophet and receive your prophetic word over your life? HURRY! +https://www.youtube.com/live/q8uL2IvCAYI?feature=share +--- 14994538 +>>14992833 +Judea had already been conquered by Jesus's time. It's not really a prophecy if you're predicting something that has already happened. +Also, is the traditional interpretation that the prophecy about the temple being destroyed was supposed to be about Jesus himself being executed? Not the literal temple being destroyed? diff --git a/his/14992675.txt b/his/14992675.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..34f09289a529699c849816179a1e5796cff0bd50 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992675.txt @@ -0,0 +1,361 @@ +----- +--- 14992675 +Purest Jews are Ashkenazi Levites R1a + +Throughout history, many famous great men, talented politicians, genius commanders and strong leaders were descendants of Indo European including numerous American presidents of the United States. + +The Levite R1a is an original ancient Jewish lineage (Israelite, technically - this is before the rebellion of the northern tribes). R1a belongs to Indo European haplogroups together with R1b. More than 50% Ashkenazi Levites belong to haplogroup R1a. +PMID: 13680527 PMCID: PMC1180600 doi: 10.1086/378506 . + +Torah account is that Moses and Aaron were themselves Levites. +Torah describes the Levites as Fierce ( Indo Europeans are famous for conquering ). +Torah places just as much emphasis on Gevurah (precise or exacting judgment) as on Chesed (loving kindness or caritas). +One gets the idea that the original Levites were not people to be trifled with. + +Indo European is responsible for spreading Lactose Tolerance Gene. +- Milk and the Indo-Europeans doi.org/10.1075/z.215.13gar . + +Most of us are familiar with Bible verses that include “the land of milk and honey”, the Bible mentions milk more than fifty times in the Old Testament. + +Therefore, the original ancient Jewish lineage is the R1a Indo European Y-DNA haplogroup. + +Ashkenazim by Haplogroup +Muh Indo European and Milk +Muh Chosen People and Milk +Exodus 3:8 Numbers 14:8 Deuteronomy 31:20 Ezekiel 20:15 +--- 14992684 +>>14992675 (OP) +>t. Robert Sepehr +You will never be white, Shlomo +--- 14992690 +>>14992684 +Ashkenaz Jews are Whiter than Russians +--- 14992706 +>>14992690 +>t. +--- 14992712 +>>14992675 (OP) +Kohanim are J1. They are the high priests - descendants of Aaron. +--- 14992713 +>>14992706 +Purest Ashkenazi Jew, true chosen chad +--- 14992729 +>>14992706 +kek, thread over, everyone go home +--- 14992730 +>>14992713 +Back to the oven faggot demon +--- 14992733 +>>14992712 +can J1 drink milk ? +--- 14992743 +>>14992712 +>Y-chromosomal Aaron is the name given to the hypothesized most recent common ancestor of the patrilineal Jewish priestly caste known as Kohanim (singular "Kohen", also spelled "Cohen"). According to the traditional understanding of the Hebrew Bible, this ancestor was Aaron, the brother of Moses. + +Kohanim have very low frequency of R1a. +--- 14992747 +>>14992690 +>>14992706 +why do non-Ashkenazim kin look more like Arabs than jews? +--- 14992752 +>>14992733 +Even lactose intolerant farmers drank milk. +--- 14992755 +>>14992675 (OP) +Jews aren't Levites. +Ashkenazis aren't Levites. +--- 14992757 +>>14992747 +Ashkenazis have more European admixture. +--- 14992758 +>>14992743 +But Levites more than 50% R1a and Ability to drink Raw Milk came from R1a + +Torah mentioned about Milk a lot +--- 14992763 +If the jews have high amount of red hair it doesn't imply they're white, it implies red hair is not necessarily a white trait. Seeing that quarter chink Udmurts have the highest frequency it's probably not a European trait but a mutation that appears in multiple races. +--- 14992768 +>>14992758 +Levites are minor priests, Kohanim are direct paternal descendants of Aaron. Kohanim are 1% R1a and 75-80% J1. +--- 14992778 +>>14992675 (OP) +>We wuz as European as North Indians originally! +Is what you're saying? And? That's every other Middle Easterner before the Arabs mixed most of them up into one hodge podge. Even if it was true and Levites are some Kassite/etc. types then that still changes very little besides maybe jews themselves beginning to wank their newfound ancestry more in media +>>14992690 +>white gene +nice ms paint skills +>muh milk +perfect lactose tolerance throughout the whole life is not required for milk consumption. Shepherds just have abundance of it. In fact it only evolved in Iron Age Denmark. +--- 14992781 +>>14992768 +Aaron was the great-grandson of Levi + +While Levi is R1a + +so 75-80% J1 ??? + +R1a have original lactose tolerance gene + +J1 does not +--- 14992787 +>>14992778 +Google Global Admixture Analysis K6 +--- 14992798 +>>14992690 +First we had mordvinx, now there's this fucking schizo who keeps posting this chart with Russians and telling everyone how Russians allegedly aren't white. +--- 14992804 +>>14992781 +He's not. + +>The Levites comprised a lower rank of the Temple priests. They are considered descendants of Levi through other lineages. + +Haplogroups don't have genes like this. There's also no evidence that ancient Israelites were lactose tolerant. Farmers and Yamnaya consumed milk despite being lactose intolerant. +--- 14992806 +>>14992798 +Whitest Russian Father +--- 14992814 +>>14992804 +Political interest conflict among in group when in come to blood quantum +--- 14992818 +>>14992690 +you'll never be white, kike +--- 14992824 +All kikes deserve a bullet +--- 14992825 +>>14992818 +Look very White +--- 14992829 +>>14992825 +stop with your schizo nonsense, the shroud of turin is a proven fake you idiot +--- 14992834 +>>14992829 +Shroud Turin is true +new technology proved that +https://aleteia.org/2022/04/22/new-technology-suggests-shroud-of-turin-is-2000-years-old/ +--- 14992843 +>>14992825 +based schizo retard with fake graphs +--- 14992846 +>>14992834 +>Italian author +>published in irrelevant journal +>new technology no one else is using +it's always like this, lol +--- 14992849 +>>14992843 +google is Free , Global Admixture Analysis K6 +--- 14992851 +>>14992834 +>cancerous judeo-christcuck propaganda site +lmao + +btw the blue K6 admixture is not "white", it's "western eurasian" which includes whites and semites +--- 14992859 +>>14992851 +Western Eurasian are White gene + +Stop using American double Standards define White +--- 14992862 +>/pol/tards think milk is poisonous to non-europeans +>meanwhile mongols and turkics consume the same amount, if not more while being lactose intolerant +fucking retard. +--- 14992869 +>>14992859 +no it's not, it's also not a gene, you worthless dunning kruger jewish schizo. Try k8 or k12 testings to actually see who's white and who isn't +--- 14992870 +>>14992849 +Brother you do realise there are at the very least 5 different Russian populations? Which one are you using in your graph? +--- 14992874 +>>14992862 +the point of argument is Why Torah so obsessed with Milk if original ancestors cannot drink raw milk without getting diarrhea ? +--- 14992877 +>>14992862 +cope nonwhite +--- 14992879 +>>14992870 +http://racialreality.blogspot.com/2013/12/global-admixture-analysis-at-k6.html + +There are Siberian "Russian" have their own bar genes . +--- 14992884 +>>14992877 +Inaccurate map. +There are three genes for lactose intolerance and two of them are localized entirely within Africa. +--- 14992885 +>>14992862 +--- 14992893 +>>14992884 +Tolerance* +I mean there are three genes for lactose tolerance. And two only occur in Africa (in the Sahel and Ethiopia to be exact) +--- 14992894 +>>14992877 +That map was removed from wikipedia due to being a fake. +--- 14992898 +>>14992877 +--- 14992901 +>>14992893 +Ethiopian are half White +--- 14992907 +>>14992862 +>Balkans 40 to 70 +Bullshit +--- 14992910 +>>14992879 +Use other calculators, this one doesn't work for Russians because it groups Northern Russians together with Central and Southern ones. All three of those are completely different groups and cluster with different ethnicities. Northern Russians is what your graph shows. Russians from Arkhangelsk, Murmansk, Uhta and other areas up north have a slight Finno-Ugric admixture. That's why their bar looks very similar to the Finns. Southern and Central Russians have the same finno-ugric admixture as the rest of Europe. Get rekt, retard. +--- 14992911 +>>14992894 +What the hell is Papadalopoulos doing drinking all that milk? +Also, you'd think Afghanistan would consume a lot of milk but maybe they're only measuring cows milk. +Unsurprising that steppe people like the Kazakhs drink a shit ton of it despite being technically intolerant though. +--- 14992922 +>>14992910 +Are Chechens counted as Russian ? +--- 14992929 +>>14992874 +gut bacteria that aids in digestion of milk in specifically mongols is still being researched, it is extremely likely lactose intolerant asiatic steppe populations developed ways to circumvent it without undergoing mutations. +--- 14992934 +>>14992922 +Chechens are a northern caucasian ethnic group, they aren't eastern Europeans and don't cluster with Russians/Ukrainians. They cluster with other Caucasus area groups like Ingush people +--- 14992937 +>>14992929 +Ashkenazi Jews have more East Asian admixture than other Jewish groups +--- 14992944 +>>14992937 +>white genes +--- 14992948 +>>14992937 +>turanic look +fucking schizo kek +--- 14992958 +>>14992901 +Not the same gene though. +>>14992862 +I'm on their side but they really struggle when it comes to not mythologizing their beliefs. +>>14992937 +>he thinks Jews look turanic. +I do admit the admixture from china is weird as fuck though. +--- 14992972 +>>14992958 +Look exotic through , but more exotic with blonde beard or red beard +--- 14992976 +>>14992675 (OP) +My haplogroupe is e1b1 my paternal grandfather was a levite we are levantine stop trying to claim us +--- 14992984 +Ashkenazi aesthetic superiority +--- 14992985 +>>14992976 +Northern African is E1b1 bro + +The Ashkenaz Elites are Ashkenazi Levites are more than R1a bro + +Eb1b1 have Big eyes + +R1a tend to have Small eyes +--- 14992990 +>>14992984 +Ashkenazi R1a Chosen race +--- 14992994 +>>14992984 +>t. homosexual jew attracted to Adam Kadmon androgyny +All kikes deserve the gallows +--- 14993017 +>>14992985 +Again my grandfather was a levite and I am e1b1 you are just trying to claim us Ashkenazim as your own becuase you no we are the master race but we are not yours we are levantine get over it, big eyes are a semetic/mediteranian trait +--- 14993022 +>>14993017 +again, why do Rabbi Shais Taub have small eye ? + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2MSO5Hxvz8 [Embed] +--- 14993032 +>>14992990 +Based +--- 14993033 +>>14993022 +Probly cuase he's an old man squinting, what makes him elite? +--- 14993048 +>>14993032 + +R1a and J1 stand next together +R1a Big thick beard +R1a Taller + +J1 patchy beard +J1 Shorter +--- 14993077 +>>14993048 +Haplogroupe is not autosomal dna retard it doesn't influence physical features I could make niggers with any haplogroupe through selective breeing +--- 14993086 +>>14993077 +Ashkenaz Jews are the most selective breeding bro + +https://www.sefaria.org/Pesachim.49b.2?lang=bi + + +The Sages taught: A person should always be willing to sell all he has in order to marry the daughter of a Torah scholar. If he cannot find the daughter of a Torah scholar, he should marry the daughter of one of the great people of the generation, who are pious although they are not Torah scholars. If he cannot find the daughter of one of the great people of the generation, he should marry the daughter of one of the heads of the congregations. If he cannot find the daughter of one of the heads of the congregations, he should marry the daughter of one of the charity collectors. If he cannot find the daughter of one of the charity collectors, he should marry the daughter of one of the schoolteachers. However, he should not marry the daughter of an ignoramus [am ha’aretz] because they are vermin and their wives are similar to a creeping animal, as their lifestyle involves the violation of numerous prohibitions. And with regard to their daughters the verse states: “Cursed is he who lies with an animal” (Deuteronomy 27:21), as they are similar to animals in that they lack any knowledge or moral sense. +--- 14993101 +>>14993086 +>Ashkenaz Jews are the most selective breeding bro +I am one and what you posted isn't unique to us it's something all real Jewish communities hold by the Talmud itself was written in bavil moadern day iraq +--- 14993111 +>>14993101 +Please make Hollywood less Woke +--- 14993121 +>>14993111 +I don't control Hollywood you dumb nigger +--- 14993134 +>>14993121 +Since you are Ashkenaz Chosen Race, +Why don't you do something to make the world a better place ? +--- 14993158 +>>14993134 +I do I keep shabbot study Torah and display racism to blacks +--- 14993174 +>>14992757 +Nah, Indo Europeans venture into the early Levant while non-Ashkenazim were raped by Ishmaelites during the 7th century. +--- 14993231 +Ashkenazi financial superiority +--- 14993249 +>>14993231 +Ashkenazi Leader Superiority +--- 14993260 +>>14993249 +Post Meir har zion +--- 14993306 +>>14992901 +Go home Yohannes. 62% of Ethiopians? Kek habeshas don’t even make up 40% of the country +--- 14993330 +God I wish I could be jüdische instead of goyishe +--- 14993382 +>>14993330 +Assyrian was Great , now Assyrian do not have their own nation + +Ashkenaz Chosen still struggle with Israel +and Ashkenazi Chosen Hasidic Race still live in Brooklyn +--- 14993392 +>>14992675 (OP) +It's true I'm an Ashkenazi Jew and I basically look like Santa Klaus. Don't @ me, goyim. +--- 14993416 +>>14992675 (OP) +Do Jews still use the Babylonian duodecimal/sexagesimal or did they accepted the hindu-arabic-european decimal goyslop +--- 14993569 +>>14993392 +is it kosher to say Ho ho h0 ? +--- 14994163 +>>14993392 +Kek +--- 14994315 +>>14992985 +No. E is Semitic and R1a is Asian. +--- 14994482 +>>14992675 (OP) +Hello. +I am looking into when and how the jews migrated into Germany and refused to Integrate, as I understand most cultures do. +I am new in researching history and have mostly been using language and my family name as a guide. +I can't find much information on "jewish immigration to germany" because there are 6 million websites about the holocaust and jews leaving Germany between 1900 and 1940. +Any help would be appreciated. +--- 14994543 +>>14992747 +larry david is ashkenazi +--- 14994573 +>>14992834 +>Lo studio, disponibile on line[5], è stato effettuato nei laboratori IC-CNR della sede di Bari, in collaborazione con il prof. G. Fanti dell’Università di Padova. +Lmao, it's the same bullshit as always, Fanti is an obsessed schizo who does nothing but invent tons of meme methods to prove that his beloved shroud is genuine. Nobody takes him seriously except for online tradlarpers. diff --git a/his/14992802.txt b/his/14992802.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..ddad2cf36daa39dbf0313fc9bf5fc6811abedbdf --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992802.txt @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@ +----- +--- 14992802 +>atheist schizos are so mad that instead of their regular spam, they're now spamming gay porn +--- 14992856 +>>14992802 (OP) +why is this board so full of schizos? it's the only one where I can name well over a dozen spammers +--- 14993105 +Finally, Rickyschizo has an equally homosexual opponent. +--- 14993193 +>>14992856 +Because history attracts schizos from /pol/ and pinkos from /leftypol/ +--- 14993215 +>>14993193 +/pol/ will never be as racist as the average /his/ or /int/ user, go back to your containment board. +>>14992856 +Leftie fags like most losers got into history by the althistory-commie pipeline, history has one of the lowest bars for entry so the troons flock to spread their shit takes like a moth to the flame +--- 14993232 +>>14993215 +Shut the fuck up you stupid nigger I am infinitely more racist than you, you go back to/pol/ faggot. +--- 14993242 +>>14993232 +>Some mystery meat moor thinks he's racist for hating his fellow colored folk +Ngmi +--- 14993265 +>>14993242 +I'm Jewish. +Now lick my toes and suck on my greasy lox. +--- 14994147 +>>14993193 +This is it right here. The shortest and most apt description of this shithole. Just a bunch of brown retards arguing to "correct the record" on what ackshually happened and how their side could have won. diff --git a/his/14992805.txt b/his/14992805.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f66b0b00859d17cfefa472acf02b104ae4aae690 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992805.txt @@ -0,0 +1,48 @@ +----- +--- 14992805 +WWII wasn't even 100 years ago. That's one human lifetime approximately. + +Do you realize how many cultural changes, media, creation and destruction has the human race experienced through the XX and XXI century, plus all the living people that coexist today? +Like really look to your surroundings, all the changes that happened and now gone, over and over again, in everything, from furniture to social customs, even the food you eat. + +You pick the 80s or the 00s or today and is not remotely the same. Times in the past weren't this "fast paced". You can't keep up. I feel like there are so many things in the world, that I can't keep up, I get overwhelmed and left behind. + +Human progress and advancement, knowledge, customs, information, life in general didn't had such speed centuries ago. What is happening? +Aren't we living to fast? +--- 14992819 +>>14992805 (OP) +>from furniture +Nothing's stopping you from still using couches, TVs and refrigerators from the 50s +>social customs +Dependent on where you live, and doesn't really matter that much anymore with the internet +>even the food you eat +Nothing's stopping you from cooking recipes from the 50s +--- 14992826 +>>14992805 (OP) +You're literally making this thread to terrorize me for buying a bbq chicken sandwhich (on sale, last kind, not even the one I wanted to buy) because you think you should be allowed to force me to live as "a medieval peasant" so that you can self identify as a king by forcing me to self-identify as "a peasant" +--- 14992866 +>>14992805 (OP) +>>14992826 +also the only reason why I even went to the store to buy a sandiwch is because you terrorize me for eating hot pockets and hungry mans that my dad left me +--- 14992954 +>>14992805 (OP) +>>14992826 +>>14992866 +also the bbq sauce was sweet and kinda gross, not spicy +--- 14993001 +>>14992805 (OP) +Yeah its quite scary. The internet has certainly changed the way we think of time. +I can remember my grandmother, who died in 2010. She would always casually mention the "war" and the german blitz and what she did and so on. Back then I too young to give a shit, but I wish I could ask her about her experiences again. +--- 14993153 +>>14992805 (OP) +I know what you mean. Even 10 years ago feels like an entire different universe, culturally and politically speaking. 2013 might as well have been 50 fucking years ago, it's so different to now. I don't understand why things are changing so quickly. +--- 14993164 +>>14993153 +10 years ago is literally identical to right now, we've been stuck since ~2007 +--- 14993170 +>>14992805 (OP) +Silicon chips are slowing progress finally. +--- 14993178 +You have a point OP + +Can anyone really state the differences between 1100 AD and 1200 AD advancement wise? diff --git a/his/14992841.txt b/his/14992841.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..649119774bb29e00c479f0c9105e135e559ea98f --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992841.txt @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +----- +--- 14992841 +Thoughts on St. Ignatius of Antioch? +--- 14992852 +>>14992841 (OP) +I dont know who that is. Why did you ask me? I'm not even a christian +--- 14992865 +Thoughts on this quote by him? +>See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the priests as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do +anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is given either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the +bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid. +--- 14993053 +>>14992841 (OP) +Incredibly based, but I like Irenaeus slightly better for his work Against Heresies. +--- 14993109 +>>14992841 (OP) +His life is amazing. Questionable what he even wrote. Half of his letters are universally seen as forgeries from a later age, while the rest is called into question here and there. diff --git a/his/14992897.txt b/his/14992897.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..450e49edbe7abde7ba172127406c39224c15f348 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992897.txt @@ -0,0 +1,38 @@ +----- +--- 14992897 +The Jews' God Yahweh of the Old Testament is against human sacrifice. What Jesus did was wrong. That's why God forsake him at the end of Mark and he died in vain. +--- 14992966 +This! By the Flying Spaghetti Monster, so much this! + +Edit: Thanks for the gold kind stranger + +Edit 2: 327 upvotes for this? Haha wow that's the most I've ever gotten, thanks guys and gals and everything in between! + +Edit 3: WTF 600 upvotes wow thank you all so much this is the best birthday ever + +Edit 4: Thanks for all the birthday wishes fellow r/wooooshers. I tippeth mine hat to thee on this pleasant morrow. + +Edit 5: Ok, so this went viral overnight for some reason O_o 2000 motherflipping upboats I really have no words thank you all so much it means a lot! + +Edit 6: ok I'm noticing some toxic discussion happening in this reply chain and I feel the need to address it. Sexism and racism are not cool guys, so please cool it and continue the good vibes please and thank you! + +Edit 7: ok so I don't know why but I've received a lot of downvotes on this post recently, maybe i got raided by 4chan.com/b?? (commonly referred to as the "asshole of the internet" for those who aren't aware). I don't really ask for much but I was hoping we could show those losers a thing or two, so please give this post an upvote if you haven't already, it would mean the world to me and show these bullies you cannot mess with a good person. + +Edit 8: turns out my girlfriend cheated on me, so that happened :/ +--- 14992979 +>>14992966 +Really makes you seethe when I point out you're part of a cult that worships human sacrifice, huh? Disgusting. + +How about this one: You also drink your cult leader's blood, which Yahweh specifically commanded not to do. +--- 14993036 +>>14992897 (OP) +Sure, Jesus was a human sacrifice: +Ephesians 5:2 +>and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. + +But lets remember that the God he's being sacrificed to, YHVH, also demanded that Abraham sacrifice his own son (sound familiar?) Isaac in the O.T. It's clear that YHVH is appeased by blood sacrifice, otherwise Abraham wouldn't have believed him in the first place +--- 14993056 +Very clearly vicarious atonement is present: Isaiah 53, 4 Maccabees 6:28-29 +--- 14993075 +>>14992897 (OP) +Yeah but I actually worship Wr-alda, and basically you're a fag. diff --git a/his/14992909.txt b/his/14992909.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..35cc561a6a2d5e92a0bd3abf09b82f741ac85dd3 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992909.txt @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +----- +--- 14992909 +Why did Western beauty standards change so drastically in the XX century? From a hourglass figure like Marylin Monroe in the 1950s to the skinny, boyish of the 1990s. + +Can the the meatier, hip hop influenced Western beauty standards of the 2010s / 2020s be considered a return to the aesthetics of the 1950s? +--- 14992923 +>>14992909 (OP) +>skinny, boyish +skinny, boyish heroic chic +--- 14992938 +>>14992909 (OP) +>From a hourglass figure like Marylin Monroe in the 1950s to the skinny, boyish of the 1990s. +Homosexuals took over the fashion industry. I think you're borderline retarded if you didn't know the answer. +--- 14992963 +>>14992909 (OP) +>suddenly White women begin cutting fat to attract White men +jewbros.... +--- 14993453 +>>14992909 (OP) +it's gone turbo both ways to be fair + +on the one hand, yeah, the exuberance of volume via liposculpting and muscule hypertrophy, obsesed with ass (popular aesthetics) + +but on the other, an embrace of pro-ana thinness paired with muscle definition and longevity strategizing, fixiated on abs (elite aesthetics) + +for me it's natural skinny, those are universally hot girls everywhere +--- 14993633 +this is the kind of body white men prefer, if you don't prefer this you're not white or a jew +--- 14993649 +Feminine men prefer women with more pedomorphic traits + +Masculine men prefer women with mature/maternal traits + +Now you know why Asian guys and white nerds are into skinny petite women +--- 14993673 +>>14993453 +>for me it's natural skinny, those are universally hot girls everywhere +this +--- 14993730 +>>14993649 +>asian men +petite pedomorphic women +>niggers +fat women with cottage cheese ass +>white men +TALL and LITHE women +--- 14993863 +>>14992909 (OP) +just found out I'm black +--- 14993888 +>>14993673 +this pic pisses me off bc her face looks like a blend of four different ethnicities perfectly engineered for instagram "exotic but still kinda white" style women +--- 14993889 +>>14993649 +>>14993730 +Based feminine/asian men +--- 14993902 +>>14993649 +nailed it +--- 14994012 +>>14993730 +t. feminine man +--- 14994034 +>>14992909 (OP) +>1683150039710085.jpg diff --git a/his/14992956.txt b/his/14992956.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d3db9eead450b9985f300688d27631351780e9a6 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992956.txt @@ -0,0 +1,53 @@ +----- +--- 14992956 +What if Atlantis really existed? +Would it be a global super power, or would it peak centuries ago and be like modern day nations that have been around since antiquity. +--- 14993026 +>>14992956 (OP) +Wasn't Atlantis a Greek city that sank into the sea? +--- 14993061 +>>14993026 +It's in the Atlantic Ocean. +--- 14993169 +>>14993026 +In the Platonic dialogue, it was a civilization which existed outside Gibraltar in the middle of the sea and it was defeated by Athens in battle after conquering most of the world. This is in the Timaeus-Critias. +--- 14993210 +>>14993169 +Sounds like an ordinary port city in the Mediterranean. +--- 14993216 +>>14993026 +Its a meme Socrates made up to use as example in one of his ideology. +--- 14993223 +>>14993210 +It conquered the entirety of Asia Minor if Plato is to be believed. +--- 14993248 +>>14993223 +>conquered Asia Minor +--- 14993895 +>literally found entire cities under the sea around Japan, Cuba and a bunch of other places +>"NOOOO ATLANTIS DIDN'T EXIST STOP TALKING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW!!!! STOOOP!!!" +historians have completely destroyed their own reputation, if they ever had any +--- 14993903 +>>14993895 +We have more evidence of Atlantis than of the Holocaust +--- 14993911 +>>14993248 +It also (supposedly) did this 12,000 years ago which is much less impressive because the area was all hunter-gatherers at the time. +--- 14993915 +>>14993895 +>>literally found entire cities under the sea around Japan, Cuba and a bunch of other places +[Citation Required] +--- 14993951 +>>14993026 +It was probably just Tartessos +>by the Atlantic ocean +>rich as fuck +>the area is within the range of the Azores–Gibraltar Transform Fault which has historically produced earthquakes and tsunamis, like the ones which have absolutely wrecked Lisbon in mid-XVIII century +--- 14993952 +>>14993915 +Schizos consider this proof of Atlantis along with some other formations found off the coast of Japan. + +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bimini_Road +--- 14993966 +>>14993952 +I've literally dove Bimini road and it's nothing. There are tons of rock patches just like it, only not straight. I knew it would just be the typical skitzo "proof" though. diff --git a/his/14992983.txt b/his/14992983.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..46d8cadce204977d2acb2eaa0582b9f918638edc --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992983.txt @@ -0,0 +1,5 @@ +----- +--- 14992983 +>ywn be bullied and perhaps molested by him at Eton +--- 14994757 +Who? diff --git a/his/14992993.txt b/his/14992993.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4b3985a75d29ef9039cac7a33f0c91d417099759 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14992993.txt @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +----- +--- 14992993 +Historically speaking why have the good guys always been color coded blue? +--- 14992999 +>>14992993 (OP) +Jews are not good +--- 14993006 +>>14992993 (OP) +Settle down, Reifag. +--- 14993008 +Democrats aren't good +--- 14993011 +>>14993008 +no but the tories are +--- 14993080 +>>14992993 (OP) +When was this ever the case? +--- 14993087 +>>14992993 (OP) +Cold war meme. +--- 14993171 +>>14992993 (OP) +it's because it's a Jewish tradition to use some blue tassels when weaving the tassels of the tzitzit. + +As for why the ones set up to be the bad guys are red, it's because in the Torah, the evil twin brother of Jacob-Israel was called Edom, which means red. +--- 14993206 +>>14993171 +>make my faction blue +>win +I'm a genius I know. +--- 14993257 +>>14992993 (OP) +opposite +--- 14993263 +>>14992993 (OP) +The color red is associated with violence in our brains +--- 14993465 +>>14993263 +probably this, but I'd assume it has more to do with the way cultural appreciation of color developed in the ancient Near East and Greco-Roman worlds. The Chinese world looks at color somewhat differently than the West +--- 14993491 +>>14993263 +>violence = bad +Hi Shlomo +--- 14994138 +>>14993491 +You're retarded jews foster war +--- 14994148 +>>14993171 +>pic +That just looks like victory +--- 14994153 +>>14993171 +lol i thought the thumbnail was of a desert with some weird shadows and rocks +--- 14994166 +>>14992993 (OP) +>he believes in "good guys" of history +Based. +--- 14994267 +>>14993080 +Napoleonic Wars +American Revolution +Cold War +Modern Democrats vs Republicans +Modern times (OP pic rel) +--- 14994277 +>>14993257 +so, you are fan of nazis +:D +--- 14994703 +>>14994277 +Yes +--- 14994737 +>>14992993 (OP) +--- 14994856 +>>14992993 (OP) +>good guys always been color coded blue? +But these aren't blue? diff --git a/his/14993042.txt b/his/14993042.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..37bc95d1161361c26fe5d18f322e37eb967d830f --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993042.txt @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ +----- +--- 14993042 +Thoughts on Byzantine Catholicism? +--- 14993047 +>>14993042 (OP) +Cringe and cucked +--- 14993064 +>>14993042 (OP) +Still just as gay as regular Catholicism +--- 14993130 +>>14993042 (OP) +Beyond BASED. Makes prots and orthos seethe uncontrollably. +--- 14993146 +>>14993042 (OP) +Part of the Church of the True Faith, just like any of the other 23 sui iuris. +--- 14993148 +fuck byzfags +--- 14993152 +Why are Syrian, Lebanon, and Chaldean Catholic still a little more Western like, and not more Byzantine? +--- 14993357 +>>14993042 (OP) +>>14993042 (OP) + +what would be the russian equivalent of outremer and crusaders? diff --git a/his/14993078.txt b/his/14993078.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a88718af9eb4294dd21687d92384196999a1c9f0 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993078.txt @@ -0,0 +1,8 @@ +----- +--- 14993078 +>falls off hard after the second punic war season, mostly filler arcs or shitty reruns after +--- 14993097 +>history is le tv show +--- 14993104 +>>14993097 +for people here it basically is diff --git a/his/14993125.txt b/his/14993125.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..87305b330222600d3a26ad38b414284a562237b0 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993125.txt @@ -0,0 +1,50 @@ +----- +--- 14993125 +>The year 1919 has arrived +>A herd of fuckin’ ugly zydoks are rushing in from the east +What do? +--- 14993163 +>it's another western chuds worships my failed state episode +tiresome +--- 14993165 +>>14993156 +Now this is some schizo shit. +--- 14993180 +>>14993125 (OP) +pic rel + +>>14993163 +Where's your precious USSR faggot? +--- 14993181 +>>14993125 (OP) +>West Slavic shithole with a gay socialist government vs. East Slavic shithole with a gay socialist government +I'll get the popcorn +--- 14993200 +>>14993180 +>namefag doesn't know the difference between the year 1919 and the year 1940 +--- 14993212 +>>14993125 (OP) +>zydoks +Retard +--- 14993361 +>>14993163 +Poland lives, Soviet Union or Nazi Germany don’t. +--- 14993857 +>>14993361 +Sanacja Poland and the Second Republic as a whole are gone though +--- 14993868 +>>14993180 +>if you don't worship this failed ideology you worship that failed ideology +You're not White btw. +--- 14993870 +>>14993868 +>t. kike +--- 14993877 +>>14993870 +>t. failed ideologue +--- 14993893 +>>14993877 +>t. kike rat +--- 14993897 +>>14993868 +What was the failed ideology of interwar Finland? Parliamentarism? diff --git a/his/14993132.txt b/his/14993132.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5a87f3b0c4e7efcb3663e5eca86ccf8458deffbf --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993132.txt @@ -0,0 +1,32 @@ +----- +--- 14993132 +One February morning in 1992, seventy nine year old Stella Liebeck was seated in the passenger's seat of her grandson's Ford Probe as they were purchasing breakfast at a McDonalds drive-through in Albuquerque. While positioning the Styrofoam cup between her legs (the car did not have cupholders) so she could add sugar and cream to it, Liebeck accidentally tipped it over and dumped its steaming hot contents into her lap. Her cotton pants held the coffee next to her skin, resulting in extensive burns to her thighs, pelvic area, and genitals. Taken to the hospital, she was found to have burns over 22% of her body, 6% being third degree ones, and had to receive skin grafts. At nearly 80, Liebeck was slow to heal compared to a younger person and it took a total of two years to recover. + +She sued McDonalds after they offered her a settlement of only $800 when she had $18k in total medical expenses. Her attorney Reed Morgan charged McDonalds with gross negligence for serving coffee at temperatures of 180-190F, which could cause third degree burns in under six seconds. He argued that most restaurants served hot drinks at much lower temperatures than that. McDonalds argued that the extremely hot coffee temperatures were so customers who purchased meals at drive throughs could have their coffee stay hot longer while on the road, but research into this found that many customers drank the coffee immediately after purchasing it. + +As things would have it, more than 700 persons were burned by excessively hot McDonalds coffee over the last decade. The fast food giant's quality assurance manager, Chris Appleton, said that any food over 130F could cause burns to the mouth and throat. Nothing was done because the company did not deem it a big enough problem to warrant attention. They could also offer no satisfactory explanation as to why the coffee cups had no warning label on them. +--- 14993147 +A jury found that McDonalds was mostly responsible due to negligence, while Stella Liebeck had possibly displayed poor judgement in holding a hot coffee cup between her legs. After wrangling over the proposed terms of the settlement, the parties settled out of court for an undisclosed sum in 1994. + +The lawsuit did not result in McDonalds lowering the temperature of their coffee, which continued to be in the neighborhood of 160-190F, however other restaurant chains such as Starbucks and Burger King serve coffee at similar or greater temperatures. It did result in McDonalds applying a warning label to coffee cups. + +Stella Liebeck passed away in 2004 at the age of 91. Her daughter claimed she did not recover from the strain of the burning and lawsuit, and that the cash settlement from McDonalds was used to pay for in-home nursing care. Liebeck's family do not agree with the notion that it was a frivolous lawsuit. Liebeck, an English immigrant, had worked at Foley's Supermarket for 25 years before retiring and was far from a grifter or someone out to extort money. "She thought she'd been genuinely wronged." said her grandson. +--- 14993337 +>eating breakfast at McDonalds +Absolutely subhuman. +--- 14993435 +>>14993132 (OP) +I remember this case still being referenced in the 2000s like she was just trying to cash out on some frivolous grievance. The truth was that coffee was actually extremely hot and her wounds were serious. +>180-190F +Why does the coffee need to be that hot? I always hate it when warm drinks are given to you too hot to even sip it so you have to wait 10 minutes to actually taste it. +--- 14993646 +>>14993132 (OP) +I live in Europe and this type of lawsuit where you basically sue companies for your own stupidity and end up winning millions of dollars are seen as something typically American. + +Fuck McDonald's though. +--- 14993687 +I remember the pre-warning label cups when I was a small child. The oldskool styrofoam McDonalds coffee cups. I think I also remember my mom mentioning the woman getting burned so they put the warnings on the cups now. +--- 14993700 +>I remember this case still being referenced in the 2000s like she was just trying to cash out on some frivolous grievance. The truth was that coffee was actually extremely hot and her wounds were serious. +--- 14993714 +Coffee doesn't even taste good at that high a temperature. diff --git a/his/14993133.txt b/his/14993133.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..109a122b44e6f52c941fbfbccd6a9be57a5793ac --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993133.txt @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +----- +--- 14993133 +Should you adopt an obsessive schizo persona in a bid to get replies to genuine history posts? diff --git a/his/14993136.txt b/his/14993136.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b052d101c77ef2e7b3a1563b60d34cfda295d68c --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993136.txt @@ -0,0 +1,57 @@ +----- +--- 14993136 +Currently developing a Catholic bot that utilizes semantic search on vector embeds to answer questions related to the faith. Currently vector embedded sources are Denzinger's Enchidrion and the CCC. Plan to add more things later. Please ask questions so I can test the bot! +--- 14993150 +>>14993136 (OP) +What was Melito of sardis' old testament canon? +--- 14993167 +>>14993136 (OP) +What did Pope Gregory the great say about Maccabees in his commentary on Job? +--- 14993172 +AI is satanic. +--- 14993185 +>>14993136 (OP) +What was Augustine view of Christ's presence within the Eucharist? +--- 14993195 +>>14993136 (OP) +Who was the Rock in Matthew 16:18 according the the early church fathers? +--- 14993275 +>>14993136 (OP) +>Please ask questions so I can test the bot! +You aren't supposed to be running a bot. You can manually submit your own questions gathered from people but no automation. +Not a Catholic, not Protestant, and I'm a christian. Here is what I would tell your bot: +What are you doing to obey God in Christ Jesus to quell satanic forces on earth? +Do you know about the current political storms that say white people are all racists and they have privilege and white people do not suffer and have never suffered and only black people do? +Why don't you bring up how the Nazi Germans killed all white people in prisons and in the cities they held because they knew the US army was coming? You realize millions of white people suffered and died? +What about the Civil War with regards to white suffering? +What about that it was white people who colonized America first? The Great Depression? The First War for Scottish Independence? +The First Christians who were fed in the Roman Gladiator events? +Again not a Catholic but what about all the Catholics that the Catholic Church got killed? Is there no authority that can hold accountable within their own church the ones who caused so many millions in loss of white people's lives by trying to force catholicism upon the earth? +With that said, Asia suffers as well. Everybody suffers no matter race or religion. Even christians. So if there is no Order to human suffering to escape it, what is the point in a God at all? Surely worshiping the true God ends human suffering altogether for everyone. Don't you agree? +--- 14993291 +Why is the church still shielding pedophiles? +--- 14993302 +>>14993195 +>>14993167 +>>14993150 +Again, the current vector embedded sources are Denzinger's Enchidrion and the CCC. So this questions don't receive good answers since they rely on heavy history and patristics, which the bot currently doesn't have access to. +However, regarding >>14993185, it actually answered a good response since the CCC heavily cites Augustine. + Here's the response: +St. Augustine had a deep reverence for the Eucharist, which he considered to be a "sacrament of devotion" and a "sign of unity." In fact, he famously exclaimed, "O sacrament of devotion! O sign of unity! O bond of charity!" [CCC 1398]. Augustine's view of Christ's presence in the Eucharist was one of awe and wonder, recognizing it as a profound mystery that goes beyond human understanding. +Augustine affirmed the Catholic belief that Christ is truly and really present in the Eucharist: "the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained" [CCC 1374]. According to Augustine's teaching, Christ becomes sacramentally present under the appearances of bread and wine, which are converted through transubstantiation into his body and blood. +Augustine's writings also reflect the idea of "concomitance," which means that Christ's body and blood are present in their entirety under each of the species of bread and wine. Thus, when the bread is broken, Christ is not divided, since he is present whole and entire in each of the parts. Augustine expressed this idea by saying that "the breaking of the bread does not divide Christ" [CCC 1377]. +Overall, Augustine's view of Christ's presence in the Eucharist was one of deep reverence and respect for the mystery of the sacrament. He recognized the significance of the Eucharist in the Church's worship and understood it as a sign of Christ's love and unity with his people. +--- 14993312 +>>14993302 +This is really cool. I hope you fill this thing with history and patristics. +--- 14993324 +>>14993312 +The main purpose right now is answering faith-related questions, so I'll be sure it provides good answers before moving on. However, I actually already have the text for the ENTIRE patristics until 4th century tokenized in case I vector embed it in the future. The main reason I didn't do this yet is that I worry it may bloat the semantic search rendering it almost useless. In the future though, I'll certainly see. +--- 14993343 +>>14993324 +Awesome. Will it be available to us when it's done? +--- 14993676 +>>14993172 +Catholicism is Satanic. The architect behind modern transhumanism was a catholic priest. + +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin diff --git a/his/14993182.txt b/his/14993182.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8469ab7ecb754cd75be1c3b13c7e7f982c0feb43 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993182.txt @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +----- +--- 14993182 +>JUDEO-Bolshevism +--- 14993188 +they merely happened to be jewish +--- 14993189 +>>14993182 (OP) +--- 14993192 +ironically enought, chud is jew +--- 14993196 +>At the party congress held in August 1917, a total of 29 out of 171 delegates were Jews, the second most represented ethnic group after the Russians; moreover, 6 of 17 Central Committee members were Jews. The Central Committee was responsible for directing party work between congresses. Although many Jews were linked to Trotsky and the opposition to Stalin in the mid- and late 1920s (and no Jews remained in the Politburo following the dismissal of Trotsky, Zinov’ev, and Kamenev in 1926 until the appointment of Lazar’ Kaganovich in 1930), Jews accounted for 10.9 percent of delegates to the Sixteenth Party Congress in 1930. Indeed, they still formed 10.1 percent of the Central Committee in 1939 +>Most important, they were highly overrepresented in the Bolshevik leadership. Significant figures included Iurii Kamenev, Maksim Litvinov, Karl Radek, Iakov Sverdlov, Leon Trotsky, and Grigorii Zinov’ev. This was so blatant that anti-Bolsheviks frequently associated the party with Jews in order to contaminate the party’s public image. +>Jews remained overrepresented in the party rank and file. Representing just 1.8 percent of the total population in the 1926 census, Jews comprised 5.2 percent of party members in 1922 and 4.3 percent in 1927; in Belorussia, they accounted for 24 percent of the party membership. +--- 14993197 +>>14993182 (OP) +The communist cries in pain, he makes a new thread to whine about /pol/. +--- 14993203 +How did the retarded zydokomuna conspiracy theory live on in Poland even after they suffered the horrors of Nazi Germany? Were they just looking for anyone weak enough to blame and hate as a coping mechanism under Stalinist repression? +--- 14993209 +>>14993203 +It's not a conspiracy, it's fact, the USSR was a Jewish run state till Stalin's late purges +--- 14993222 +>>14993196 +So they were never a majority in any Bolshevik organization? They were just an overrepresented minority like the historians have always said? +--- 14993230 +>>14993222 +Just happened to be in key roles +--- 14993236 +>>14993222 +Yes you mealey mouthed weasel, on top of the fact that Marx and Lenin were both Jews and Jews had a massive hand in the USSR, it can be safely said that the nation and its brutality were the result of Jewish leadership. + +Now with the added brutality of the junta occupying Palestine it saw to say the Jews owe us trillions in reparations! +--- 14993240 +Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Luxemburg were jews +--- 14993241 +>>14993236 +You are mentally ill +--- 14993244 +>>14993236 +>us +you're a dumb gook from an island jungle +--- 14993253 +>Now with the added brutality of the junta occupying Palestine it saw to say the Jews owe us trillions in reparations! +Lol +--- 14993273 +>>14993241 +Projecting again Moshe? + +My ancestors weren’t a bunch of genetically bottlenecked cousin fuckers like yours. +--- 14993476 +>>14993182 (OP) +--- 14993746 +>>14993476 +wtf is this true?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!? +--- 14993754 +>>14993236 +You're not White though. +--- 14993849 +>>14993754 +>hates Lenin +sounds White to me +--- 14993864 +There were more jews in the Mensheviks because they were more friendly to carving out a jewish state near poland, after the revolution they merged +--- 14993871 +>>14993230 +6/17 in leadership positions really isn't a ton +If the 11 gentiles wanted something those 6 couldn't have out-voted them +--- 14993872 +>>14993746 +>>14993849 +Samefagging shitskin gook go eat pagpag +--- 14993882 +>>14993236 +There were a shitton of Russians, Caucasians, and Baltics in the Bolshevik government at all levels. If anybody has a right to claim to be unjustly occupied, it's the Central Asians +--- 14993884 +>>14993872 +I was making a joke about the White army, and I am not and never have been a namefag +--- 14993905 +>>14993182 (OP) +Jews are extremely based for both running the communists and capitalist countries. +--- 14993910 +>>14993182 (OP) +Firstly this >>14993864 the Bundists literally weren't with the Bolsheviks and secondly Georgians were also similarly overrepresented and yet there is little concern regarding this. Why would the Jewish Bolsheviks purge their Jewish brethren (even before Stalin came into power, mind you his anti-Semitism is largely over-exaggerated by Jews who for some reason are taken at their word when describing the actions of Stalin but are duplicitous enough to take over all of Europe with the very ideology Stalin proclaimed). Ethnic minorities also fought with the Whites. Reminds me of how some mind initially find it interesting how many Hakka fought with the commies only to find out Hakka were also overrepresented in the KMT (Sun Yat-sen was also Hakka). +--- 14994244 +>>14993203 +Look up Salomon Morel +--- 14994830 +>>14993182 (OP) +Maybe, but they also happened to be the biggest traitors to the Soviet Union as well. diff --git a/his/14993204.txt b/his/14993204.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e41540caddb773ae9db55964e5b6df80cd5c3524 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993204.txt @@ -0,0 +1,63 @@ +----- +--- 14993204 +>At the party congress held in August 1917, a total of 29 out of 171 delegates were Jews, the second most represented ethnic group after the Russians; moreover, 6 of 17 Central Committee members were Jews. The Central Committee was responsible for directing party work between congresses. Although many Jews were linked to Trotsky and the opposition to Stalin in the mid- and late 1920s (and no Jews remained in the Politburo following the dismissal of Trotsky, Zinov’ev, and Kamenev in 1926 until the appointment of Lazar’ Kaganovich in 1930), Jews accounted for 10.9 percent of delegates to the Sixteenth Party Congress in 1930. Indeed, they still formed 10.1 percent of the Central Committee in 1939 + >Most important, they were highly overrepresented in the Bolshevik leadership. Significant figures included Iurii Kamenev, Maksim Litvinov, Karl Radek, Iakov Sverdlov, Leon Trotsky, and Grigorii Zinov’ev. This was so blatant that anti-Bolsheviks frequently associated the party with Jews in order to contaminate the party’s public image. + >Jews remained overrepresented in the party rank and file. Representing just 1.8 percent of the total population in the 1926 census, Jews comprised 5.2 percent of party members in 1922 and 4.3 percent in 1927; in Belorussia, they accounted for 24 percent of the party membership. +--- 14993319 +>>14993204 (OP) +put'n the empire back together +--- 14993328 +>>14993204 (OP) +Stalin cleansed them all, and the USSR supported Palestine against the Western proxy Israhell. +--- 14993373 +Jewish Bolshevism, also Judeo–Bolshevism, is an anti-communist and antisemitic canard, which alleges that the Jews were the originators of the Russian Revolution in 1917, and that they held primary power among the Bolsheviks who led the revolution. Similarly, the conspiracy theory of Jewish Communism alleges that Jews have dominated the Communist movements in the world, and is related to the Zionist Occupation Government conspiracy theory (ZOG), which alleges that Jews control world politics.[1] + +According to the 1922 Bolshevik party census, there were 19,564 Jewish Bolsheviks, comprising 5.21% of the total, and in the 1920s of the 417 members of the Central Executive Committee, the party Central Committee, the Presidium of the Executive of the Soviets of the USSR and the Russian Republic, the People's Commissars, 6% were ethnic Jews.[18] Between 1936 and 1940, during the Great Purge, Yezhovshchina and after the rapprochement with Nazi Germany, Stalin had largely eliminated Jews from senior party, government, diplomatic, security and military positions.[19] + +The October Revolution saw the Bolsheviks seize power in a coup. They were strongly opposed to Judaism (and indeed to any religion) and conducted an extensive campaign to suppress the religious traditions among the Jewish population, alongside traditional Jewish culture.[9][10] In 1918, the Yevsektsiya was established to promote Marxism, secularism and Jewish assimilation into Soviet society, and supposedly bringing communism to the Jewish masses.[11] + +In August 1919 Jewish properties, including synagogues, were seized by the Soviet government and many Jewish communities were dissolved. The anti-religious laws against all expressions of religion and religious education were being taken out on all religious groups, including the Jewish communities. Many rabbis and other religious officials were forced to resign from their posts under the threat of violent persecution. +--- 14993378 +>>14993204 (OP) +Stop with the mentally ill antisemitic spam, you fool. You clearly need some professional help, and less time on internet. +--- 14993380 +>>14993328 +Stalin CREATED Israel you dumb jigaboo +--- 14993381 +>>14993373 +This type of persecution continued on into the 1920s.[12] Jews were also frequently placed disproportionately on the front lines of Russian wars in the early 1900s as well as WW2. As a result, large numbers of Jews emigrated out of Russia to places like the United States. Changing their family's last name during emigration to reduce perceived risk was not uncommon.[13] +--- 14993386 +>>14993380 +Stalin didn’t create shit. He saw Israel as potential cleavage for Communism in MENA, and sided with the Arabs when it became clear the Israelis wouldn’t give in to Marxism. +--- 14993390 +lol synagogues were closed and thousands of Orthodox Jews killed during the 1930s anti-religious campaigns. they're still finding mass graves in Russia. +--- 14993398 +>>14993381 +>This type of persecution continued on into the 1920s.[12] Jews were also frequently placed disproportionately on the front lines of Russian wars in the early 1900s as well as WW2 +meanwhile in the 21st century United States, Jews have among the lowest rates of military service of any demographic +--- 14993405 +>>14993386 +Stalin literally voted to establish Israel in the UN. It would never exist if the commies didn't create it. +--- 14993547 +>>14993398 +My last company commander before I ETS’d was literally a Jewish woman, dumbfuck. +--- 14993570 +>>14993405 +Voting to RECOGNIZE a country doesn’t “create” anything +--- 14993686 +>>14993405 +so did most of the world? +--- 14993741 +>>14993547 +>muh anecdotal evidence + +Jews are only loyal to Zionism, they have nio loyalty to their host nations you ASVAB waiver +--- 14993748 +>>14993570 +Do you know who Zdenek Toman and Rudolf Slansky were? +--- 14993797 +>29 of 171 +>6 out of 17 +wow, if they voted as a bloc (which they didn't, Zinoviev and Kamenev famously teamed up with Stalin against Trotsky) surely they would... still be outvoted by the goyim +It's no secret that Jews, as a minority the Tsars persecuted and as a heavily urbanized demographic, largely backed the Bolsheviks. +But they were far from alone in that regard and Balts joined in even greater proportion, despite the USSR not being able to hold onto the Baltic States after WW1. diff --git a/his/14993243.txt b/his/14993243.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..7dd344ccd8574c922e3d494b3cc1fa911fbb9cf0 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993243.txt @@ -0,0 +1,36 @@ +----- +--- 14993297 +>>14993243 (OP) +More like Albanian-Armenian-Anatolian-Slavic-rural Greek mutts that speak Greek. But as seen with the rise of 19th century nationalism, 95% of the criteria to be part of a groups is a common language +--- 14994710 +>>14993243 (OP) +I actually am partially Arvanite. My clan migrated into Northern Attica ~14th Century. +The claim that Greece is was repopulated them is generally farsical, yes there was/is a notable population, primarily in Attica, Eastern Roumeli, small parts of the Peloponnese, and a few islands close to the mainland, and yes they identify with the Greek nation very strongly, many even seeing Albanian as a slur against them. +Interestingly enough, you might see people parrot off about Athens being 'Albanian/Arvanite'. While it's true many of the surrounding villages that modern Athens grew into were partially or even overwhelmingly Arvanite, Athens itself remained Greek speaking, with the dialect Old Athenian, one of the few intermediary dialects between the Northern and Southern Greek dialect groups to remain in existance. +A number of notable figures of the War of Independence were Arvanites, primarily because both the terrain of these areas favoured insurgency (the region I'm from even being barely under Ottoman control for so much of its history that at one point its name reflected it); and because of the martial nature of the culture. A fair few had hoped to create a federation with Christian Albanians (obviously Orthodox), and the participation of the mixed Greco-Albanians, the Souliotes, was a notable part of the war. That said, the ethnic Greek part cannot be ignored. +>>14993297 +Eh aside from some Arvanites claiming they're Greek to disassociate with actual Albanians, Armenian settlements were incredibly few, Anatolian (as in actual Hellenized Anatolians like Cappadocians) equally as few, and Slavic DNA peaks at ~15% adjacent to the border of North Macedonia at best. The truth is, most Greeks, are Greek. And if you go on about a minute amount of Slavic DNA somehow excluding that, well I guess most of Austria and Eastern Germany aren't actually German then, since they assimilated Slavs as far back as the 8th Century, and in greater numbers than in Greece. +--- 14994722 +>>14994710 +if you are going to make an effortpost then make a thread about it instead of replying to shitty one-liner bait +--- 14994727 +>>14994722 +Eh, I don't mind ruining bait threads with an effort post. One can hope they fuck off to /int/ instead. +--- 14994730 +>>14994710 +All that effort and your little pic proves you wrong, you cant just add "Greek" to groups who learned the language as magically now part of the original group, Cretans are not Greek, neither are Pontians or Macedonians +--- 14994749 +>>14994730 +>Cretans are not Greek, neither are Pontians or Macedonians +What are they? If you're referring to Cretans being descended from Minoan populations than I suppose so, though they've been so thoroughly Hellenized no culturally holdovers can be found, moreover Minoans were a European population. +If you're referring to Pontians not being Greek, they likely do have the highest 'non-Greek' admixture with mostly Caucasian peoples like Georgians, Laz, or even some Armenians though primarily the Greek colonies in the region were separated and date back to anquity. +If you're referring to the Macedonians, then we must distinguish between Greek Macedonians and Slavic Macedonians, which the map does, although I'd suspect there are more Slavic Macedonians inside Greece, however a population exchange occured in the mid 20s with Bulgaria so I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case. +--- 14994767 +>>14994730 +The yamnaya tribesmen who spoke pre-proto-mycenean haven't existed for the better part of four millennia. +Crete, the pontus, and macedon have spoken greek for longer than most countries current today have existed. +>>14993243 (OP) +What the fuck is an arvanite. +--- 14994793 +>>14994767 +A subgroup of Tosk Albanians which migrated into Greece in the Middle Ages. They're Greek Orthodox, and identify far more with the Greek nation than Albania. They've largely been assimilating of their own accord so as to show allegiance only to Greece, as there's never been any efforts to oppress them since so many fought in the Revolution. Much in the same way a great number of Aromanians identify with Greece (or their respective host nation) rather than themselves. diff --git a/his/14993247.txt b/his/14993247.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4cfd646f25fd5887b94398bfd0b395a879a41f4c --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993247.txt @@ -0,0 +1,38 @@ +----- +--- 14993247 +he REALLY liked lolis +--- 14993270 +of course, OP immediately forget to make a shocking claim and keeps the source up his ass, just the way he likes it +--- 14993318 +>>14993270 +In 771 he repudiated princess Desiderata of the Longobards and sent her back to Pavia to her father, shortly after which he married (and rather quickly impregnated) a 13-year old girl named Hildegard +Wahl, R. (1951) 'Karl der Große: eine Historie' +--- 14993334 +>>14993318 +post pubescent girls arent lolis +--- 14993353 +>>14993334 +ah yes the muslim defense +classic +--- 14993369 +>>14993353 +toasty roasty +--- 14993389 +>>14993353 +I dont expect secular rulers to be saints but I do expect the founder of a religion and holy prophet who preach good morals to not be degenerate pedo +--- 14993397 +>>14993247 (OP) +>It is generally accepted that she was either 12 or 13 upon her marriage to Charlemagne.[8][9], though her nominal date of birth would place her at 17 +>[8] is Fried, who says she was 13 with no source to back it up +>[9] is McKitterick, who says nothing at all about her age +I want a primary source for this, because it fucking reeks of bullshit. +--- 14993616 +>>14993397 +you have primary sources that say trump is literally worse than hitler. history is a meme +--- 14993772 +>>14993616 +>history is a meme +Then why are you wasting your time on a history board? Just fuck off, shill. +--- 14993779 +>>14993772 +what am i shilling for? the simulation? diff --git a/his/14993301.txt b/his/14993301.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4fbbfe3ed95884869b3b2cab0ccbe77afb1a057a --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993301.txt @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +----- +--- 14993301 +Monsieur Lebel finds a woman for King Louis, colorized diff --git a/his/14993307.txt b/his/14993307.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..2c4bbddfaf627a855b57dbfc8b9b3cd599ce2a0e --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993307.txt @@ -0,0 +1,314 @@ +----- +--- 14993307 +How did such a weird cthonic deity become the head of the germanic pantheon? Also am I the only one who feels like this guy is not of indo european origin? +--- 14993336 +>>14993307 (OP) +>How did such a weird cthonic deity become the head of the germanic pantheon? +Odin is like the personification of death, hence his aged appearance. Death and mortality are a major centerpiece of norse culture. You do the math. +--- 14993345 +>>14993336 +Unsatisfactory answer, anyways, still didn't disclose the guys origin +--- 14993366 +>>14993345 +>it must go deeper! I must reconstruct the etymology of Odin's name into ancient Atlantean! +>Oh god, I'm gonna- I'M GONNA RECOOOOOMSTRUCT +sometimes things are just that simple, friendo. +--- 14993400 +>>14993366 +I'm stopping taking you seriously now +--- 14993433 +He's very clearly of IE origin, he's the Germanic take on the Skyfather. +--- 14993469 +>>14993433 +Odin lacks most skyfather characteristics and Tyr is the etymological sky daddy. +--- 14993489 +Bronze Age shaman-king transformed into a god. Almost definitely a I1 guy. +--- 14993508 +>>14993489 +>people in the past were incapable of creating fictional characters +this is your brain on recoomstructionism. +--- 14993520 +>>14993307 (OP) +>How did such a weird cthonic deity become the head of the germanic pantheon? + +Freaky gods that don’t seem to fit tend not to be PIE + +Like Demeter & Persephone + +Odin is likely an ancient Northern European shaman god of death and madness. +--- 14993536 +>>14993307 (OP) +Wotan/Wodan: derived from Proto-Germanic *wōdaz (“rage, manic inspiration, furor poeticus”), from Proto-Indo-European *weh2t- (“to be excited”). +Archaic English wode still used same root +probably after an unknown event the Aesir replaced Vanir and old Aesir got degraded, a minor Indo-European deity of madness or crying (compare the Roman deity Vaticanus) became a major deity. +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagitanus +--- 14993567 +>>14993536 +>what do you mean "by an unknown event" +These religions were centered around worshipping natural phenomena, emotions and other parts of world as powerful entities. The polytheism eventually is a derivation of animism. +We know that Greeks abandoned worship of sky and earth and declared them to be "titans" unworthy of worship very possibly after Minoan Eruption. +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_eruption#The_Titanomachy +the fight of gods and gods replacing another is a common theme in polytheism, it reflects a past even as a form of "folk memory" or "oral record" +--- 14993575 +>>14993469 +Odin has all of the Skyfather characteristics. +>Spear wielder +>King of the cosmos +>Literal father of all of the goodguys +>Creator of humanity +>Associated with eagles +>Associated with corvids +>Owns the sacred beverage +>Source and master of magic +>Goes around bullying people who are bad hosts +>The sun and moon are his eyes +>Married to the Earth Mother +>Creates things with his thoughts +>Has a clique of vengeance seeking groupies +>Has a throne at the literal highest possible point in the universe +>Associated with hanging +>Defends the cosmic primordial cow +>Inflicts and cures madness +>Inflicts lycanthropy +Tyr has none of that. + +"Tyr" is also not etymologically derived from "*Dyeus". + +>>14993520 +Demeter and Persephone are both very IE, as is Zeus, who, being the Skyfather, is associated with madness. +--- 14993581 +>>14993433 +That's Tiwaz, also Odin is an earthly deity, he's literally born from the earth +--- 14993582 +>>14993581 +Odin isn't born from the earth, he creates it, just like Zeus and Shiva. And no, Tyr is not the Skyfather, see >>14993575. +--- 14993583 +>>14993575 +Wotan became the sky deity after a war. +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86sir%E2%80%93Vanir_War +see: +>>14993536 +>>14993567 +--- 14993584 +>>14993575 +Almost none of these are associated with Dyeus, you clearly don't know what you're talking about +--- 14993589 +>>14993575 +Odin absorbed those traits from Tyr + +Like Yahweh absorbed those traits from El & Baal +--- 14993591 +>>14993582 +>he creates +That's just one of many narratives +>like shiva +Shiva didn't create the earth you 12 year old asatru larper, thats brahman +--- 14993607 +>>14993583 +Odin was in charge of the Aesir before the Aesir-Vanir War. + +>>14993584 +They're associated with every Skyfather in every Indo-European religion. + +>>14993589 +That only makes sense if you have a singular deity, but that's not the case here. Why would Tyr, who is Germanic Mars (there isn't really a good archetypal name for "the sword dude who fathers the race and acts as their foremost member" in Indo-Europeanism) be the Skyfather? There's zero evidence to support that, and we know that Odin was being worshiped as the Skyfather at the earliest stratum of Germanic religion. + +>>14993591 +Take it up with the Rig Veda. +--- 14993613 +>>14993591 +He creates his wife twice as Shiva alone you brainlet. This doesn't even get into the shenanigans that he gets up to as Agni and Rudra. +--- 14993614 +>>14993584 +He seems to be a schizo. Like the Easter = Ishtar wacko. +--- 14993630 +>>14993607 +>Why would Tyr, who is Germanic Mars (there isn't really a good archetypal name for "the sword dude who fathers the race and acts as their foremost member" in Indo-Europeanism) be the Skyfather? + +The ROMANS equated Tyr with THEIR god Mars + +The Germans didn’t see it that way, they identified Tyr with Jupiter/Zeus + +Due in part to the etymology of the god's name, scholars propose that Týr once held a far more significant role in Germanic mythology than the scant references to the deity indicate in the Old Norse record. Some scholars propose that the prominent god Odin may have risen to prominence over Týr in prehistory, at times absorbing elements of the deity's domains. For example, according to scholar Hermann Reichert, due to the etymology of the god's name and its transparent meaning of "the god", "Odin ... must have dislodged Týr from his pre-eminent position. The fact that Tacitus names two divinities to whom the enemy's army was consecrated ... may signify their co-existence around 1 A.D." +--- 14993645 +>>14993469 +>>14993581 +Survive the Jive debunked this. +--- 14993647 +>>14993614 +>>14993630 +Stop giving this retard attention and lets return to the topic of the thread why dont we +--- 14993652 +>>14993645 +In the name of the jive, the varg and the holy oderino +--- 14993653 +>>14993630 +>The ROMANS equated Tyr with THEIR god Mars +The GERMANICS equated Mars with THEIR God Tyr. The Germanics saw it that way because they saw the deities as similar. They saw them as similar enough that they did this TWICE, once in Britain and once in Germany proper. This is why they equated Tyr with Mars. Secondly, no they equated Thor with Zeus/Jupiter, except when they were equating Odin with Zeus/Jupiter (as all of the stuff about "worship Odin on Thursday" stuff in Scandinavia attests to). + +>Due in part to the etymology of the god's name +"Tiwaz" does not derive from "*Dyeus". + +>The fact that Tacitus names two divinities to whom the enemy's army was consecrated ... may signify their co-existence around 1 A.D." +Which just confirms what I'm saying, as the Romans consecrated their armies to Jupiter and Mars, and the Germanics consecrated their armies to Odin and Tyr. +--- 14993658 +>>14993589 +Tyr/Tiwaz was once used as a generic name for "god", i dont know for certain how he became a soecific deity. The fact that these guys hardly wrote anything down makes it even harder +look up "Valtýr" and "Farmatýr". They literally mean "tyr of slain" and "tyr of cargoes" but refers to Odin in mythology +--- 14993661 +>>14993647 +This was a garbage thread before the dude who has actually read something about this topic came in and started effortposting. +--- 14993668 +>>14993661 +No such anon exists in this thread +--- 14993672 +>>14993575 +>>Spear wielder +fair +>>King of the cosmos +eh. He made the world, I don't know if thats the same as being "king of the cosmos." +>>Literal father of all of the goodguys +fair +>>Creator of humanity +fair +>>Associated with eagles +where? +>>Associated with corvids +fair +>>Owns the sacred beverage +Suttungr did. Odin had to deceive his brother to get a drink of it. +>>Source and master of magic +He knows magic. He isn't the source or master of it. His wife is better at seithr than Odin is. +>>Goes around bullying people who are bad hosts +He does this once. Hospitality was a major norse virtue, so Odin killing Geirroth for being a stingy host really means that Odin killed Geirroth because he was a shitty and evil king in general, with his bad hosting being exemplary of that. +>>The sun and moon are his eyes +What? The sun and the moon are inanimate objects in norse mythology. +>>Married to the Earth Mother +Frigg is not the earth mother. +>>Creates things with his thoughts +Source? +>>Has a clique of vengeance seeking groupies +Are you talking about the einherjar? They're more like bodyguards, really. +>>Has a throne at the literal highest possible point in the universe +This is just a mechanical explanation for why he's omniscient. +>Of course he can see everything, he can see everything from hlithskjalf! +>>Associated with hanging +The significance of his sacrifice is that he did it while connected (via the noose) to the axis mundi. The connection itself isn't the important part I don't think. +>>Defends the cosmic primordial cow +Authumbla created his ancestors according to snorri, but Odin is nowhere said to interact with her +>>Inflicts and cures madness +He never cures it I don't think, and the only time he inflicts it is in the form of berserkers. +>>Inflicts lycanthropy +You mean like in the form of ulfhethinn? I think the mythology around berserkers comes from worship of animal totems that somehow got transplanted onto Odin at a later point. +--- 14993692 +>>14993658 +Both "*Deywos" and "*Dyews" derive from the same PIE root, "*dyew-" meaning "shining" (or bright, heavenly, etc, the PIE had a different conception of color than we do). It leads to "*dyews/dyeus", which is fossilized in the name "*dyeus pther". This goes on to become "dyaus pitar" in Sanskrit, "Zeus Pater" (the "z" was actually pronounces "dz") in Greek, and "Jupiter" (from "Ijupater" in archaic Latin) in Latin. + +Meanwhile, "*deywos" goes on to become, as you point out, a generic term for deity. In the Germanic world it's, as you point out, used as a suffix in kennings (at one point Thor is called "Þóratyr", which literally means "Thunder God"). It also goes on to become Latin Deus, Greek Theos, and Sanskrit Deva. In Sanskrit, "-deva" is used just like "-tyr" is for noun-incorporation. "Deva" is also used as a generic term for deity, and is especially used as a term to refer to Parvati, who is Shiva's wife (that, as >>14993613 points out, he created twice). +--- 14993727 +>>14993672 +>I don't know if thats the same as being "king of the cosmos. +He is referred to as the king of the cosmos. + +>Odin had to deceive his brother to get a drink of it. +Odin still got the Mead of Poetry to Asgard and owns it now, however. + +>He isn't the source or master of it. +He is the source of the Runes and is referred to as the master of magic. I'll give you the bit on Seiðer, but the Earth Mother knowing magic is also a common theme. + +>He does this [guest-host law enforcing] once. +We're told that he does this and enforces guest-host law. The number of times we actually see him do it is irrelevant. + +>The sun and the moon are inanimate objects in norse mythology. +No, they're not, Sol and Mani are both very animate and they run away from wolves. They get eaten at Ragnarok. + +>Frigg is not the earth mother. +Frigga absolutely is an Earth Mother, as are Odin's other wives (and conquests). + +>Are you talking about the einherjar? +I'm talking about the Valkyries, his chief Valkyrie Freyja, the Wild Hunt, and his chief fury Skaði. + +>Source? +Voluspa with the Runes, for starters. There's lots of head imagery with Odin, but it's not as explicit as Ahura "creating the Amesha Spentas with his mind" Mazda, or Ze"giving flesh to a thought"us, I'll agree. + +>This is just a mechanical explanation for why he's omniscient. +Sure, it doesn't change him sitting at the top of the world just like Zeus, Shiva, Jupiter, the Dagda, etc. + +>connected (via the noose) to the axis mundi. +This is the key part, yes, and it relates to Zeus, Kronus, Uranus, Dagda, Shiva, etc. The actual noose is just the Germanic imagery. + +>but Odin is nowhere said to interact with her +He kills Ymir and drowns the rest of the Ymir-spawn in blood for trying to kill/eat/sacrifice(?) her. +--- 14993734 +>>14993727 +>He never cures it I don't think, and the only time he inflicts it is in the form of berserkers. +We're told that he can, and while we only really see berserkers and poetic inspiration we are told that ancient Germanics and Medieval Scandis believed that he inflicted it. + +>You mean like in the form of ulfhethinn? I think the mythology around berserkers comes from worship of animal totems that somehow got transplanted onto Odin at a later point. +I mean all of the wolf imagery across dozens of instances associated with Odin and the bands of wolf-men who worship him. "Human men put on wolf skins, acted wild, and went out on bandit raids". + +The One-eyed God, by Kris Kershaw, goes into more detail in regards to this last point, but yes it's more subtle than Zeus giving people literal dog-heads. +--- 14993770 +>>14993307 (OP) +Norsefags had the dumbest and most anti-intellectual culture in all of Europe, so of course they were deathly afraid of any sort of magic or any other concept that require a capacity for abstract thinking; hence the premier and most powerful deity is a gay wizard that sacrifices bits of himself for hidden knowledge. +--- 14993793 +>>14993770 +>of course the stupid norse would have a chief god who was antithetical to their culture +Is this supposed to be sarcasm? +--- 14993801 +>>14993793 +He didn't think that far ahead, he's just trying to do an antiWhitness. There's not much to it. +--- 14993804 +>>14993793 +They were also huge cowards that saw no recourse but to cower in fear and submit to the gay wizard and his multiple phallic symbols. +--- 14993846 +>>14993672 +>>>Associated with eagles +>where? +Sorry, I missed this. + +Odin has a few eagle kennings, and he turns into one when he steals the Mead of Poetry from the mountain fortress of Hnitbjorg. For comparison, Shiva turns into an eagle (there doesn't appear to have been a firm separation between "eagle", "hawk", and "falcon" in the Vedic period, much like how the Anglo-Saxons didn't distinguish crows and ravens) when he steals the Soma from the mountainous home of clashing-stones. Zeus turns into an eagle a few times as that's his preferred bird (and it was the most powerful of potents in divination), and it is, of course, Jupiter's bird. +--- 14993860 +>>14993846 +Shit, that one's on me. I thought he transformed into a hummingbird when he was fleeing for some reason. +--- 14993865 +>>14993307 (OP) +>cthonic deity +--- 14993917 +>>14993914 +Is this the American retard who claims Odin is jewish and Samson is an Aryan? The USA was a mistake +--- 14993922 +>>14993307 (OP) +https://theapolloniantransmission.com/2018/12/26/norse-myth-as-jewish-esoteric-moralization/ +--- 14993927 +>>14993922 +and how did Jews/Semites ended up in North Europe? Largestextend of them in Europe during antiquit was southern Europe and probably Atlantic coast (debated topic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_(Semitic)_languages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasconic_substrate_hypothesis) +I dont see how Semites would end up in Northern Europe. +--- 14993972 +>>14993927 +In the ancient world there was a wandering caste of Semitic priests who infiltrated many groups with whom they had traded or dealt and spread their religion of human and animal sacrifice. Many otherwise-Aryan groups were infiltrated in this manner, and what most think of as "Norse gods" are just repackaged Babylonian filth, like everything else. Excepting Thor. But Odinism is just Saturnism rebranded. Even Europe is named after the phoenician princess Europa, and you're all just okay with that. + +The Vikings were literally Jews and that's why they're the only "white" group allowed positive representation in modern Jewish media. They were merchants and raiders who happened to be operating in European rivers and the North Sea, but they're literally just transplanted Phoenicians who had been doing the same thing in the Mediterranean for millennia. Before that, their Akkadian ancestors were doing the same shit in the Persian Gulf and Indian Ocean. Same shit, different body of water and different millennium. Same race involved. + +The Arabs literally called the Vikings "magi". The Magi were Jews. Diogenes Laertius reported this widespread belief explicitly. And Herodotus was clear in saying that the magi were originally Medians, not Persians. Meanwhile, the bible itself is quite clear that at least some of the Jews exiled in the Bible ended up in Media, as in 2 Kings 17. Josephus reports the same thing. + +In other words, it's all the same group viewed through different cultural lenses and languages. Jews have always been infiltrators. +--- 14993987 +>>14993972 +>In the ancient world there was a wandering caste of Semitic priests +source +>Phoenician alphabet +It is because Greek derives from Phoenician and Futhark derives from Greek alphabet +In fact almost all alphabets are Phoenician derived in one way or another. excepting China and Chinese deriveds of courseys +>The Arabs literally called the Vikings "magi" +Magi is a generic insult for pagans, mecusi in Turkish, it means "fire worshipper" +--- 14994038 +>>14993987 +>source +https://files.catbox.moe/kmuvzb.mp4 +--- 14994051 +>>14994038 +you are insane +--- 14994700 +>>14993307 (OP) +I saw what you did here ^^ diff --git a/his/14993310.txt b/his/14993310.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0fb540d95623e7fd9067631e5c15c8da9b29bf6e --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993310.txt @@ -0,0 +1,46 @@ +----- +--- 14993310 +How many people would've been saved by giving this fucker a double barrel popsicle before he even learnt to write? +--- 14993314 +>>14993310 (OP) +None, the social context he investigated would still remain. +--- 14993317 +>>14993314 +Worse, the revolutions would’ve been done under Utopian Socialist doctrines which he criticized. +--- 14993344 +>>14993317 +This. +--- 14993350 +Marx was not the problem. It's the people that take his ideas and corrupt the shit out of them for their own ends that are the problem. +--- 14993374 +>>14993317 +>Hey guys, if we just make a dictatorship all the workers in the world will totally revolt and the state will wither away and we'll have a utopia +Dude was a utopian socialist himself. +--- 14993387 +>>14993374 +The difference is that he thought it would be a natural change, whereas other utopian systems necessitated radical change instituted by a revolutionary class. Leninism is the real violent form of communism that boomers just assume is the same as Marxism. +--- 14993401 +>>14993310 (OP) +Not as many who would be saved by actually teaching the facts about /ourgoy/ Marx +--- 14993407 +>>14993387 +Isn't thinking that something like that will happen naturally more utopian though? +--- 14993419 +>>14993407 +It's more realistic, hence why Volkswagen is more successful at communism than the Soviet Union ever was. +--- 14993424 +>>14993310 (OP) +He didn't even do anything aside from notice things about society. He was history's greatest "nooticer", pic related is exactly who Marx was. +--- 14993443 +>>14993387 +Yeah, I’m not even a commie and I expect that Marx’s predictions will never come true, but it’s annoying as fuck when people attribute Lenin’s ideas to Marx. It’s more like Marx was just an inspiration, then Lenin was the guy who hammered the Marxist-Leninist revolutionary idea into being and then that effectively ended up becoming the dominant force in communism. + +It’s also utterly hilarous how Marx predicted that communism would rise up through developed societies, but then we get M-Ls becoming influential in mainly thirdie shitholes. I’d love to resurrect Marx for a day to see his reaction to that. +--- 14993462 +>>14993374 +>if we just make a dictatorship all the workers in the world will totally revolt +You mixed up cause and effect +--- 14993571 +>>14993443 +>It’s also utterly hilarous how Marx predicted that communism would rise up through developed societies +This is most likely accurate and none of the communist states (oxymoron) disprove it. diff --git a/his/14993347.txt b/his/14993347.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9599ddee5f62e35e1dc8976c5467b7e712a9ae78 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993347.txt @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +----- +--- 14993347 +>1300 BC +>we see a pyramid being built (1200 years after the last pyramid was built) +>we now know the whole story is going to be fake +>Moses gets a head injury, starts seeing things +>nobody else sees them (which we are shown multiple times when Aaron Paul's character watches Moses talk to himself) +>all the plagues are easily explained by pharaoh's priests (scientists) +>the Red Sea does not actually part, it's just a low tide +--- 14993354 +Ridley Scott's "Exodus" (2014) +--- 14993523 +All Jewish Holidays are just celebrating child sacrifice and murder. +--- 14993588 +There is no evidence for Moses or even the Egyptian captivity. diff --git a/his/14993451.txt b/his/14993451.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..36749755cb81973e10f5275f25e4b8194bf11cb1 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993451.txt @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@ +----- +--- 14993451 +>judeo-christian +--- 14993461 +>>14993451 (OP) +Judeo-Christian values are the founding bedrock that USA is built on. You should never downplay their importance. +--- 14994682 +Funny how the Judeos don't want anything to do with it and the word didn't exist before the 20th century +--- 14994685 +>abrahamic +>melting pot +>people of color +--- 14994687 +>>14993451 (OP) +Do you prefer jewo-xtian? +--- 14994691 +>>14993451 (OP) +Who keeps making all these cats so fat? +--- 14994773 +judeo freemasonic diff --git a/his/14993455.txt b/his/14993455.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..90adae0d2be5e2281cb9d68585427b19c3ca9ea6 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993455.txt @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +----- +--- 14993455 +How is that even possible? +--- 14993475 +>>14993455 (OP) +It's a celebration of the liberal secular syncretic religion. +--- 14993480 +>>14993455 (OP) +Syncretism. Most people historically didn't give a shit about theology. They just collected a bunch of superstitions through their life. +No idea about the book, I remember picking it up at a bookshop but then I didn't buy it kek. Is it good? +--- 14993483 +>>14993455 (OP) +During late Mughal, there were Muslim communities that celebrated Hindu holidays. During sepoy rebellion, rebels used both Hindu and Islamic narratives againstthe British. But Christian part is I am not sure, because Christianity was always seen as an invader religion. +--- 14993546 +>>14993483 +>Christianity was always seen as an invader religion +Really? But christianity has been present in India since at the latest the 8th century, at the earliest the 1st. +No christian would have come as a conqueror until the portuguese. +--- 14993562 +>>14993455 (OP) +It's called being Sikh. +--- 14993574 +>>14993455 (OP) +India. India is literally the most free country ever regarding thought. +--- 14993900 +>>14993480 +It was a really stupid book. He starts off saying he has a story that will make you believe in God, tells a super implausible story that he claims happened to him, then at the end says "you probably think I made this up. But it's a better story if you believe it isn't it?" at which point I wanted to punch him in the face. Horrible argument, I think atheists and religious ppl can both agree on this. +--- 14993920 +>>14993546 +>Really? But christianity has been present in India since at the latest the 8th century, at the earliest the 1st. +they were foreigner groups and didnt had much influence to public, they were seen like how a Jew would be seen as in medieval Europe +>No christian would have come as a conqueror until the portuguese. +British ruined the Christianity's reputation in India +--- 14993934 +>>14993562 +I'm not Indian so, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Sikhs read to me like a Sufi offshoot in Hindu territory who simply decided they didn't need the Quran or Muhammad anymore. +Very little Christian influence, or Jewish or Zoroastrian influence for that matter. +--- 14993953 +>>14993934 +>Sikhs read to me like a Sufi offshoot in Hindu territory who simply decided they didn't need the Quran or Muhammad anymore. +eh, you are sorta right. their big daddy was a Kabir who was a Sant MAt (heteredox Hindu sect member) but very possibly had Muslim origins. Guru Nanak was student of him and the religious environment in Punjab made it avaliable to make a following of Sikhs (students) of Guru Nanak. +I can not call Sikhism a deliberate elaving of tradition or syncretism, it was naturally developed from local philosophical, political and religious issues +--- 14993957 +>>14993920 +The Brit's Christianity was Episcopalian which is a bullshit LARP of Catholicism. +I kind of think the Portuguese, who trashed the Malabar library of Syriac and Malayalam, did more fundamental damage to Indian Christianity. +--- 14993974 +>>14993957 +British enforced the caste system of Christians and the rest of population. When Portuguese came, they came as foreigners when British came they changed whole fabric of society. +Read biography of Gandhi, the British were using Christianity as a distinguishing identity for them and functioned as a caste. The modern day reputation of Christianity is form British rule. Seen as manipulative and invasive therefore. +See: +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_Christian +--- 14994570 +>>14993455 (OP) +its a secularist movie painting hindus as tolerant people +--- 14994667 +>>14993974 +What the fuck. +Captcha: AYYY0 +--- 14994679 +>>14993455 (OP) +Im East Asia Christians are permitted altars for ancestor worship. Don't get too anal about doctrine anon. +--- 14994745 +>>14993957 +>which is a bullshit LARP of Catholicism. +No it is not. diff --git a/his/14993458.txt b/his/14993458.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d1798915962d84269f6093cff671dd1b78b97fb7 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993458.txt @@ -0,0 +1,182 @@ +----- +--- 14993458 +Is this something Catholics actually believe? +--- 14993524 +No, but I think they should. It was a language that was separated for sacred used for a long time, so there must be something to it. I'm talking about Ecclesiastical, not Classical. +--- 14993553 +>>14993458 (OP) +What is the rationale theologically speaking for this? I'm a Muslim so my biased perspective comes from the fact that we believe God revealed the Qur'an in Arabic and that the Qur'an is only truly "the Qur'an" when in Arabic. I know that isn't the rationale with the Catholics because they don't mandate use Koine Greek or Aramaic. But is it just because Peter is the rock of the Church and his position was, according to Catholics, the Bishop of Rome? I mean to me it makes little sense but I admit I'm probably missing something. +--- 14993594 +>>14993553 +If you don't know what the words mean then they mean even more than if you knew what they meant. You can imagine a woman hotter than any woman that you could ever see, and you can imagine monsters far more terrifying than you could ever meet. Gibberish lets you fill in the blanks with the most devout piety and fervor you can possibly conjure up. This is also the rationale that Protestants use for Speaking in Tongues (up until the 1800s this referred to the Holy Spirit giving the Apostles the ability to speak all gentile languages, today it refers to ecstatic babbling of gibberish). + +Historically, the idea was that if the Vatican forced the usage of Latin, that everyone would just learn Latin. That obviously didn't work and they've since given up on using Latin because it's just easier to just use vernaculars. +--- 14993704 +>>14993458 (OP) +>>14993553 +The rational is that it was still the Roman Empire when Jesus was walking around, some even think Jesus was speaking Latin himself. + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJffBsSg1kU [Embed] +--- 14993708 +>>14993594 +I understand this is the explanation non-Catholics give for it but I want their internal theological reasoning for their exaltation of Latin over other languages. +--- 14993729 +>>14993704 +I think that's pretty flimsy reasoning and I really thought thousands of years of Catholic scholarship could only offer that as an answer to my question. +--- 14993738 +>>14993458 (OP) +No. It's what (You) believe because you're an illiterate protnigger +--- 14993739 +>>14993553 +It's not an official teaching or anything, it's more like a folk belief. To me what makes sense is that it was a language that was separated for and used almost exclusively for the sacred and even for magic during medieval times. +--- 14993744 +>>14993458 (OP) +No +--- 14993750 +>>14993704 +Jesus definitely spoke *some* Latin. The extent is up for debate but the Romans weren't shy about occupying a province, if you wanted to avoid being beaten, spat on, or otherwise harassed you would quickly learn some basic Latin to explain yourself when asked questions +--- 14993758 +>>14993738 +I don't believe it. I just watched this movie and the pope's top guy exorcist (played by fat Russel Crowe) said it. I'm only asking because the movie is based on real events so I thought maybe it's an accurate representation of Catholicism. +--- 14993765 +>>14993758 +Not him but nah it's just a line for dramatic effect for the New World audience +Latin is a beautiful language though +--- 14993776 +>>14993750 +Weren't most of the Roman troops speaking Greek? +--- 14993792 +>>14993776 +Nah Greek was the language of the Roman aristocracy, the odd centurion would've spoken Greek to some level, the governor's and their immediate subordinates would've spoken Greek and ofcourse it would the intermediate language of the time, like English is today. But no the average legionary would've been your everyday working-class man from Italy or provincial Roman towns, you'd be hard pressed to find one capable of reading and writing +--- 14993834 +>>14993553 +Catholics hold that the Bible is best read and understood in Latin, but the language itself is not divinely inspired beyond being respected for its history and it's robust organisation as far as languages go. So no it's not comparable. +People think English is a great language because it's to easy to learn how to speak it, but in terms of conveying expressions and ideas through text, Latin is unsurpassed in its accessibility and ease of learning. However Koine Greek still holds the title for complexity of expression in both forms imo +--- 14993845 +>>14993758 +It's just a dumb Hollywood movie my dude +--- 14993847 +>>14993738 +Catholics are worse than atheists. + +>>14993758 +Catholics believe whatever their leaders tell them to believe. They usually don't even know their own cult's doctrines. +--- 14993852 +>>14993758 +>my source? +>I watched le movie +LMFAO this board is a shithole +--- 14993859 +>>14993847 +Catholics believe whatever Church tradition dictates yeah, it doesn't change on a whim though so you're being disingenuous. +Even if the Pope mandates something against Catholic scripture then Catholics are bound by their faith to disregard what the Pope says +--- 14993867 +>>14993847 +Protestants believe whatever their pastors tells them to believe. They usually don't even know their own cult's doctrines. +--- 14993874 +>>14993739 +>was separated for and used almost exclusively for the sacred and even for magic during medieval times. +So essentially it's been decided that Gods showed the language his favor because it was picked up during the Christianization of the Roman empire? Is this tied in any way to the prophecies regarding the fall of Rome in the New Testament? +>>14993834 +So it's essentially a utility thing? But that doesn't explain the controversy that having mass in the vulgate originally had/ +--- 14993879 +>>14993859 +They're told they can't interpret scripture (against what scripture says) then they're told they need to rely on their leadership for guidance. Not every catholic goes to the "Pope" (or "Father") who claims to be in Christ's place on earth or Christ on earth with the other blasphemous title, in fact, most could probably never have a chance to meet their cult's leader. Jesus Christ is to be the head of your church, the Pope is not Jesus nor was Peter a Pope. + +>>14993867 +Beep boop beep boop. +--- 14993892 +>>14993879 +>They're told they can't interpret scripture +Wrong +>then they're told they need to rely on their leadership for guidance. +True, it's how we got doctrines like the trinity and the deity of Christ established, things most but not all protestants agree on +>or Christ on earth with the other blasphemous title +What? +>Jesus Christ is to be the head of your church +He is +>the Pope is not Jesus +Correct +>nor was Peter a Pope. +Wrong +--- 14993898 +>>14993458 (OP) +It seems to me like it would have more power the better you understand the words you're using. Praying in a language you don't understand is just retarded magic words fetishism. +--- 14993967 +Latin is ipso facto hard to understand +--- 14994006 +Trick question. Alaha only listens to prayers in Nestorian Syriac +--- 14994016 +>>14993967 +Maybe for english speakers. +--- 14994022 +>>14993792 +Pilate didn't command a legion. He was a praefect not in senatorial rank. His armies were mostly Greek-speaking auxiliaries. +--- 14994042 +>>14993892 +>>They're told they can't interpret scripture +>Wrong +They're told they can't understand the bible without some catholic priest or leader or whatever telling them what it akshually means. So when they read John 5:21, they can read the notes or listen to their priest ramble on about some guy who invented some mental gymnastics to disregard it and they trust this interpretation as the only correct(tm) interpretation. +>True, it's how we got doctrines like the trinity and the deity of Christ established, things most but not all protestants agree on +It's not, you lie yet more. +>What? +And ignorant too. +>He is +Not of the Catholic cult. +>>nor was Peter a Pope. +>Wrong +More lies. +--- 14994048 +>>14994042 +Meant 1 John 5:21 +--- 14994061 +>>14993874 +The frenzy around holding mass in the local tongue was that people would misinterpret the Bible from its Latin translation, which they did. There's been threads about this before where an anon has pointed out, and I agree with him, that dropping the learning of Latin as a requirement for interpreting the Bible opened up the floodgates for the disingenuous, the disinterested, and the lazy to make all sorts of interpretations +>>14993879 +No Catholic thinks the Pope is Christ on Earth. He's considered the foremost interpreter of Christ's will but he is not infallible and scripture overrules any of particularly outrageous decisions. +This is a common mistake non-Catholics make. "Papal infallibility" doesn't mean the Pope is always correct no matter what +--- 14994063 +>>14994042 +>They're told they can't understand the bible without some catholic priest or leader or whatever telling them what it akshually means. +Not really, what they're told is that their interpretation cannot contradict church teaching and tradition. Having a priest tell you what it means is also recommended, since, hopefully, they're more educated than you. It's no different than asking your pastor for help in understanding, there is no difference. I can't see your point. +>It's not, you lie yet more. +So I guess there were never conflicts, even violent, in the first centuries of Christianity regarding these subjects. Much less anathemas and schisms. Your knowledge amazes me. +>And ignorant too. +Of your schizo delusions? Absolutely +>Not of the Catholic cult. +KEK +>More lies. +Nah +--- 14994066 +>>14994022 +Pilate was a governor the his "armies" came with his provisional governorship, they weren't his legions. Provisional governors for the East would've absolutely spoken Greek but it wasn't required of the soldiers, it's was just a luck-of-the-draw situation as far as linguistics was conserned in the lower ranks +--- 14994069 +>>14994042 +>priest or leader or whatever +What about the Holy Spirit? +--- 14994070 +>>14994069 +The Holy Spirit doesn't speak +--- 14994075 +>>14994070 +Mahbe to you LMAO. +Sorry, it was too easy to pass up. +--- 14994447 +>>14993553 +Latin is historically a universal language (at least for the entire western world). It would have been understood by the most number of people, as opposed to vernacular languages like Italian, French, or English. + +“For the Church, precisely because it embraces all nations and is destined to endure until the end of time…of its very nature requires a language which is universal, immutable, and non-vernacular.” + +-Pope Pius XI (Officiorum Omnium, 1922) +--- 14994504 +>>14993458 (OP) +The Catholic Church is the only surviving institution of the empire. Have some respect. +--- 14994510 +>>14993458 (OP) +The Bible was written in Koine Greek, Aramaic, and likely Hebrew. No one knew what Latin was. Jesus spoke Greek. Catholics love to just invent shit. +--- 14994550 +>>14994016 +It's actually pretty easy. The only thing that take some getting used to is having the verb at the end of a sentence so your brain has to read things in a weird order, everything after that is just memorisation +--- 14994629 +>>14993704 +The Roman language in his part of the Empire was Greek. diff --git a/his/14993467.txt b/his/14993467.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e3051d339470e4de386c11684d393f991d7cd5fb --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993467.txt @@ -0,0 +1,395 @@ +----- +--- 14993467 +What stage do you consider a fetus a human in a secular point of view? No abortion sperging or religious-based arguments please, I just want to know what stage people think a fetus is a human +--- 14993490 +literally at inception +--- 14993513 +What does "human" mean? A human skin cell is human; it has human DNA. That doesn't make it a person. +--- 14993516 +what stage is a 20 year old a human in a philosophical point of view? + +but for me it's from shortly after conception, when it becomes a viable pregnancy, that's the point it's entered the lifecycle of a human +i'm okay with abortion up until they can be viable outside the womb independently though, for the same reason i don't consider switching off life support systems murder +--- 14993521 +>>14993467 (OP) +Conception +Abort all niggers, kikes, and spics, save the whites +--- 14993530 +>>14993467 (OP) +It is alive, it has a unique set of Human DNA, it is a living human being, if a fertilized egg was found fossilized on mars it would be considered evidence of humans as exclusively humans can create this without question and exclusively humans only create this without question. +--- 14993604 +>>14993467 (OP) +It's a human from conception, I just don't give a fuck about humans who aren't sentient. +--- 14993663 +>>14993467 (OP) +Fertilization, aka the moment when the new individual genetic code (the new human being) is created +Any point beyond that is arbitrary bullshit +--- 14993671 +>>14993467 (OP) +At conception but murder of an individual is acceptible under certain circumstances. +--- 14993678 +>>14993467 (OP) +It's not human until it has self awareness. +--- 14993683 +>>14993678 +TIL severely autistic and downs syndrome people aren't human and neither are people in a coma +--- 14993701 +>>14993683 +A coma is a temporary status. I'm talking about the baseline capacity of the being. Plenty of people with down syndrome are self-aware. But if an autistic or down syndrome person is so severely damaged that they do not understand that they exist, then no, they are not human. Self-awareness is the foundation of what makes us human. +--- 14993702 +>>14993683 +This unironically. +--- 14993717 +>>14993683 +Severely mentally handicapped people are only treated better than pigs because doing otherwise would freak us out. +--- 14993925 +>>14993513 +>it has human DNA +so does your saliva but it makes no sense to call saliva human +--- 14993935 +>>14993604 +if sentience is your criteria then as soon the brain is formed it's a sentient being and that's long before conception +--- 14993942 +>>14993935 +Google the meaning of the word conception. +--- 14993950 +I think I usually hear like 6 months. +--- 14993960 +>>14993942 +oh my bad, i'm sleepy, the brain hasn't formed yet at the moment of conception so it is not sentient +--- 14993971 +>>14993467 (OP) +When they are developed enough to be a person. Until then they’re just a clump of cells +--- 14993977 +>>14993971 +replace all the blue text with "niggers" +--- 14994024 +Anon this is a retarded topic. Stop shitting up the board. +--- 14994084 +>>14993971 +Why would a being require consciousness to be considered murdered if terminated? You can easily make an argument that newborns aren't conscious, and it follows that any amount of time in the womb is unconscious. So if lack of consciousness is your gold standard for abortion morally, why stop at some arbitrary threshold of developmental status in the womb? Beyond that, it doesn't actually critique the posited notion, that abortion is murder, it simply states that it's ok most of the time to kill them anyway. It's entirely irrelevant to the point of abortion and entirely irrelevant to the issues raised by anti-abortionists. +--- 14994126 +>>14994084 +Anti-abortionists Are subhumans who don't understand the difference between humanity and personhood. +Your argument about arbitrary threshold could be used for sex with minors. +Abortion isn't unjustified killing because it's justified by the fact that the fetus isn't sentient. If anything, the anti-abortionist cannot produce an argument for why non-sentient fetuses shouldn't be aborted without appealing to mythology. +--- 14994156 +>>14993467 (OP) + +At what point is this considered a sandwich? When the pieces are all formed together? Or when the contents are still in the jars and the bread still plain? +--- 14994158 +>>14993467 (OP) +I would recommend reading both abortion and infanticide by Michael Tooley and why Abortion is is immoral by Don Marquis. I know you said no abortion stuff but its hard to not look at arguments there for when someone is a human. + +To answer your question though I personally think it's at conception. +--- 14994187 +What stage do you consider a fish to be a human in a secular worldview? +--- 14994222 +>>14993467 (OP) +At conception +--- 14994252 +It's a human from a biological perspective. That does not automatically mean it has the right to life. +--- 14994257 +>>14994126 +>fetus isn’t sentient +But it would eventually be if it was not killed. Is it okay to kill a baby moments before it would be born? When does a person become sentient? +--- 14994261 +>>14993467 (OP) +We define clinical death as the moment when the heart stops beating. The moment the heart *starts* beating is when life starts, from any measurable point of view. +--- 14994264 +>>14994126 +>If anything, the anti-abortionist cannot produce an argument for why non-sentient fetuses shouldn't be aborted without appealing to mythology. + +As in religion. In particular christianity. +What's interesting here is that this started with catholicism. Even then catholics didn't always hold the view that abortion was murder. +It's strange that protestants picked up on it, but they wen't with it. A lot of them, with a few exceptions. +--- 14994265 +>>14993701 +>coma is a temporary status +So is being a fetus +--- 14994268 +>>14994261 +Are Jellyfish alive? +--- 14994270 +>>14994257 +>Is it okay to kill a baby moments before it would be born? + +No. + +This is why it's done months beforehand. +Look, there is a debate to be had here at how soon and or late it should happen. +--- 14994272 +>>14994126 +>could be used for sex with minors +That means it's insufficient to justify the intuition that it's bad. +Really, it's Ship of Theseus tier, which is why one needs a solid cutoff point. +I find conception to be the most compelling; if unimpeded the zygote will turn into a (hopefully) healthy human. Then they can experience the joy of being alive. +--- 14994274 +>>14994126 +Why do atheists want to kill babies so bad? +--- 14994278 +>>14994261 +You're more hard core than the Bible for having it be at first breath. +--- 14994281 +>>14994274 +Why do christcucks want to kill actual people so bad? They're massively overrepresented in crime statistics. +--- 14994284 +>>14994281 +>babies aren't people +Why do atheists want to kill babies so bad? +--- 14994288 +>>14994274 +They're not babies, they're zygotes or gametes. +--- 14994290 +>>14994274 +I think it’s more of a women’s right thing. Media has convinced women that if they can’t kill their children that they are less than a man. +--- 14994291 +>>14994288 +What is that thing in OP's picture? +--- 14994294 +>>14994284 +We're talking about zygotes and embryos here, not babies. Stop bringing up irrelevant topics. +--- 14994299 +>>14994291 +A fetus. +OP is misrepresenting. +--- 14994302 +>>14994299 +So it's a baby +Why do atheists want to kill babies so bad? +--- 14994303 +>>14994302 +A fetus is not a baby +--- 14994304 +>>14994294 +So when does this zygote become a person. If a zygote is in the life cycle of being a human why is it then not a human? +--- 14994306 +>>14994302 +What part of "misrepresenting" didn't you understand. It's a misrepresentation. +--- 14994307 +>>14994303 +What is it? Is it alive? +--- 14994308 +>>14994307 +It's made of living stuff. +--- 14994311 +>>14994307 +It's alive, just like how a bacteria is alive. That means nothing on its own. +--- 14994313 +>>14994304 +Okay, this is going into a regress. How far back do we go then? We're entering into a place where it's not as case sensitive as it is philosophical. +Like, even sperm, it potentially will become a person. One or even possibly two of them with rare exceptions of more. So, every instance I am not with a woman mating I am not ensuring the potential in my sperm to become a person? +--- 14994314 +>>14994311 +So when does this fetus become a person. If a zygote is in the life cycle of being a human why is it then not a human? +--- 14994316 +>>14994303 +The New Oxford American Dictionary defines a fetus as "an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception" +>>14994311 +>It's alive, just like how a bacteria is alive +What species is it? +--- 14994324 +>>14994316 +You take a shower and in the steam comes some of your skin flakes. They were alive. Same idea. +--- 14994329 +>>14994324 +No, skin flakes are not alive. Nor are they distinct creatures from me. What species is the unborn child? +--- 14994331 +>>14994329 +Well, the skin cells were alive. +--- 14994334 +>>14994331 +No, I am alive and they were part of me. What species is the preborn child? +--- 14994341 +>>14994313 +So the human life cycle starts with the zygote I think that would be the right place to start. It’s not an infinite regress. We use the word fetus because it feels better. It sounds inhuman. It’s like when a genicide happens and the genicided people are deemed inhuman because it feels better and is easier to kill them +--- 14994354 +>>14994331 +>>14994334 +--- 14994358 +idk lmao, abortion is killing, but better it not experience life suffering from unplanned birth and non prepared parents than being forced out and becoming another statistic. +--- 14994360 +>>14994334 +>No, I am alive and they were part of me +You are made of living stuff. We all are. +I don't think you know how complicated life can be. + +>What species is the preborn child +Fine, I'll finally answer that one. I bet you think I would possibly say human. You're wrong. It's homo sapiens sapiens sapiens. +--- 14994364 +>>14994360 +Shit, I put one too many sapiens. +--- 14994368 +>>14994360 +>You are made of living stuff. +>I bet you think I would possibly say human. You're wrong. It's homo sapiens sapiens +--- 14994374 +>>14993467 (OP) +never because humans don't exist. The ship of Theseus show that we are unable to determine precisely what an object, life, human, God, present etc truly is. We live in an infinite limbo were we exist and yet we don't. So whether a fetus is alive or not is an ultimate opinion of the man rather than an objected truth. Sorry to disappoint you OP, but this is the truth. +--- 14994379 +>>14994360 +So you use the term homo sapien because you understand that abortion is terminating a human life but to cope you use homo sapien because it sounds less human +--- 14994380 +>>14994341 +>It’s not an infinite regress +I know, I didn't say it was infinite. +What the hell does it matter what it sounds like? +Also, why are you seemingly interchanging it with fetus when this is what a zygote is? +You're making it sound like it's a rewording to make it sound more acceptable when there's an actual distinction to be had. +--- 14994383 +>>14993467 (OP) +I'm an atheist and I believe Human life begins at conception. Each aborted baby is a unique DNA combination, a unique Human whose chance at life is getting denied. + +I'm the only atheist anti-abortionist I've ever met, which is a shame. +--- 14994387 +>>14994379 +But, it is our species name, you dingaling. +You know how race in a social construct? It's because as far as things go we are all one race: the human race. +--- 14994388 +>>14994341 +>it's just like the heckin holobunga +Lmao what's with this trend of christniggers trying to turn "unborn" into some kind of race +--- 14994391 +>>14994380 +Okay so you are ceding that terminating a fetus is wrong but not a zygote? Is that where you are drawing the line now? And yes as the zygote is human I don’t place an emphasis on it’s distinction from a fetus because it’s still a human +--- 14994397 +>>14993467 (OP) +We're all humans from zygote to elderly +Trying to dehumanize the unborn is just a mean to deresponsibilize mothers wishing death upon their progeny before they develop a clear face which triggers maternal instincts, it's completely arbitrary +--- 14994399 +>>14994387 +--- 14994403 +>>14994391 +>Okay so you are ceding that terminating a fetus is wrong but not a zygote + +I was always against it. That's why I said zygote or gametes. No fetus. It's not a human, it's a byproduct of humans. It's made stuff that's alive. +Again, I don't think you quite understand how complicated life can be. + +I think this video will help. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipDpbYQdFEA [Embed] +--- 14994405 +>>14994399 +It's not bait. That's the distinction. We are the last of the hominid races. +--- 14994406 +around 5 to 7 years depending on their ability to speak coherent sentences. Larvae aren't human. +--- 14994408 +>>14994397 +It being a "human" is completely arbitrary. That does not mean it has the right to life in its current stage. +--- 14994413 +>>14994408 +What does it mean to be "human" anyway. That's a philosophical question that's as old as the hills. +--- 14994414 +>>14994403 +This video proves your video wrong +https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ [Embed] +--- 14994417 +>>14993467 (OP) +Whenever the pregnant person feels like it +--- 14994418 +>>14993490 +This. It's literally a clump of human cells at inception. That doesn't necessarily mean it's conscious or worth valuing. We genocide other types of human cells all the time. +--- 14994420 +>>14994414 +I can't argue against that. +--- 14994421 +>>14994383 +A pro choice Christian (non Catholic) might argue that all unborn babies go to heaven +--- 14994423 +>>14994408 +No one is given "the right to live" unless they are slaves +--- 14994425 +>>14994413 +>What does it mean to be "human" anyway. +In this context, an organism belonging to the homo sapiens species. +--- 14994426 +>>14994403 +>It's not a human +Is it a living thing? +--- 14994428 +>>14994413 +Go touch grass and you’ll see what a human is +--- 14994429 +>>14994417 +good on you avoiding a transphobic word like m*ther +--- 14994432 +>>14994418 +It's someone's child +A newborn is less intelligent than some seafood, comparaisons are idiotic. They grow as they age. +--- 14994441 +>>14994425 +If you're going contextually yeah. That ends the debate. +But, in a more nebulous way there is a debate to be had. + +>>14994426 +It's made up of living stuff that's coalescing. Seriously, watch the video. siphonophores are complicated. +But, illustrate the complexity I'm trying to tell you. Much in that skin cells example. +A zygote is literally a sum of parts, like skin cells. +--- 14994449 +>>14994403 +Forming embryos are not zoids you dumbass +You're still just a bunch of cells, tho it seems your neurons are poorly arranged +--- 14994451 +>>14994264 +>Even then catholics didn't always hold the view that abortion was murder. + +It was always considered deeply immoral; whether or not it is “murder” (or perhaps something even more grotesque) is another matter. +--- 14994457 +>>14994281 +Because a lot of people deserve to die, duh. Holy shit are redditers childish. +--- 14994458 +>>14994441 +Are you a living thing, sir? +--- 14994461 +>>14994449 +We both are. So is the zygote, embryo, and gamete. +The difference here that a zygote and gamete are just clumps of cells. Like our skin cells. For that matter like are hair cells or nail cells. We needn't concern ourselves for trimming either, so too should we not concern ourselves with abortion. +This is that last you'll be hearing from me as this is as succinct as I'm going to put it. +--- 14994466 +>>14994451 +Historically midwives have had performing abortions as part of their practice. +--- 14994468 +>>14994461 +>This is that last you'll be hearing from me as +As it is completely indefensible +You are "just a clump of cells", therefore trimming your head from your neck is no different from trimming your hair +--- 14994469 +>>14994187 +Given they are our very distant genetic cousins, at conception. +--- 14994472 +ITT: + +Remember, it's Christ or chaos. There is no other cure for the cancer that is secularism than the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. Repent and be saved, turn or burn +--- 14994473 +>>14994466 +What does the existence of abortionists have to do with the teaching of the church? It was condemned by the Didache; whether or not it is “murder” is a complicated question; it was always considered gravely immoral. +--- 14994484 +>>14994472 +Christianity is a shitskin religion +--- 14994493 +>>14994484 +Better coon than troon +--- 14994572 +>>14994126 +>Your argument about arbitrary threshold could be used for sex with minors. +Conveniently, I also believe that consent should be relegated to a self-awareness and knowledge test before you are allowed to legally consent. +--- 14994576 +>>14994156 +>food analogy +--- 14994583 +>>14993467 (OP) +Are you fucking kidding me? MY body MY choice. I decide whether the parasite in me goes or stays you misogynist +--- 14994606 +>>14993467 (OP) +for me it would be the point at which it is viable on its own without the mother. prior to that it does not have a life of its own by definition, it is more akin to like a liver or lung. +--- 14994618 +>>14993467 (OP) +>no religious arguments except for mine +tranny. +--- 14994624 +>>14994484 +--- 14994646 +>>14994461 +>gamete +>clump of cells +>hair/nail cells +Le yikes. diff --git a/his/14993477.txt b/his/14993477.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..72fe03d16a4eb8850ebec8e942a7b9f0aff4af08 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993477.txt @@ -0,0 +1,53 @@ +----- +--- 14993477 +Is there some sort of russian or orthodox equivalent to outremer/ultramar (the crusader states/levant) word wise or concept wise? what would an orthodox holy warrior be called in russian or gayreek? crusader isnt right since they didnt crusade but they are pretty religious and were constantly dealing with pagans and taking their land so there must be a concept of a holy warrior. orthodox also have a presence in jerusalem and i think control some of the main christian holy sites too +--- 14993679 +>>14993477 (OP) +>orthodox +Georgia had both the concept of the Holy War/Crusade and militant Clergy actively involved in wars. In this regard, Georgian Orthodoxy was more distinct from Byzantine tradition and was more akin to the Latin Church. It was also oriented toward liberating Jerusalem as well, even after the dissolution of the unified Georgian monarchy, as evidenced by the letters from Simon I of Kartli toward Phillip II of Spain. +>what would an orthodox holy warrior be called in russian or gayreek? +I don't know about them, but we literally called them Crusaders or Cross-bearers. +t. actual Georgian + +P.S. the book "The Ideology of War in Georgia and the Near East: Christian Holy War and Islamic Jihad" describes this pretty well. Unfortunately, the English part of the book is significantly shortened and isnt well written, but it still gives the general idea. +https://rustaveli.org.ge/res/docs/9c7e9ff709d2c3a64cf522ed45761344a78e25e1.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3bi7fOlGEzHHldztO5kVV2Gv1Vgael3vqcmBamLpem5X35hbH1nsO_3tU +--- 14993726 +>>14993679 +well just using google translate it says the russian word for crusader and cross bearer are the same thing +--- 14993850 +>>14993477 (OP) +>Is there some sort of russian or orthodox equivalent to outremer/ultramar (the crusader states/levant) +Not the Kievan Rus we’re busy getting skull fucked by the Tartars. + +Also Oriental Orthadoxy is infinitely superior to EO +--- 14993876 +>>14993679 +The virgin Georgia VS. The chad Armenian +--- 14993962 +>>14993477 (OP) +>Is there some sort of russian or orthodox equivalent to outremer/ultramar (the crusader states/levant) word-wise or concept-wise? +Wordwise I assume probably. Concept wise no I don't think the Orthodox ever had something like Outremer. The Orthodox mostly spent the middle ages getting shafted and not expanding much. +--- 14993968 +>>14993962 +Couldn't even venture into siberia until the 1500s +--- 14993991 +>>14993679 +>evidenced by the letters from Simon I of Kartli toward Phillip II of Spain +Where can I find transcripts of these letters? +--- 14994134 +>>14993991 +Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find an English transcript for it, so I'll try to translate the relevant parts myself from the Collection "Georgia in European Archives and Libraries" (Tabagua, 1984, p.224) This particular letter is written in 1596. +>In the Name of Lord Jesus Christ +>I write this Letter of Peace with Cordiality to you, King of Kings and Leader of all Christians, Most August among the Kings of the Christian Sovereigns, Philip. Thus receive this letter from me, thy servant. +>Glory and Praise to our lord Jesus Christ, that granted Power and Might to your Kingdom and to your dear Caesar [Means Rudolph II von Habsburg] who made the Autocratic Emperorship more renowned and he, the Autocrat sent us his letters of Peace and Friendship, that ask us for unity, in order to expel and exterminate the enemies of Christendom and subhuman Turkish kind. +>Us, Sovereign of Kartli Simon, Alexander Sovereign of the East [Means kingdom of Kakheti], and Abbas, Shah of Perisans have discussed, and decided to fight against the Turk, break its horns, liberate the holy city of Jerusalem from the heathen enemies of believers of Christ. +>We are ready to be martyred and die for the faith of Christ, our God, if we would be able to see in our time the Holy City of Jerusalem with Holy Sepulchre under the rulership of Christian Monarchs. + +Another Letter, whose English transcript I actually DID find can be read here, on page 215, but it's not related to liberation of Jerusalem. +https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/229451391.pdf +--- 14994355 +>>14994134 +>shah of the persians +>liberate the holy city of Jerusalem from the heathen enemies of believer of christ + +what did he mean by this ? diff --git a/his/14993525.txt b/his/14993525.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..2104b350aa8da7bd85807cdd77d509816102ec6c --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993525.txt @@ -0,0 +1,191 @@ +----- +--- 14993525 +How euphoric is Calvinism? What does it feel like to not have free will? +--- 14993532 +Like shit apparently, considering Calvin was a maniac puritanical dictator. +--- 14993535 +Calvinists don't deny the existence of free will. +--- 14993545 +>>14993532 +>Calvin was a dictator +In what sense? +--- 14993549 +>>14993525 (OP) +>euphoric +You're really hitting the nail on the head. They're the fedoras of christianity. +--- 14993551 +Occasionally you will see gurus in India who live this way: they speak to no one, they sleep wherever they happen to get tired, they rummage through garbage bins looking for scraps… They give up on all of the illusions and delusions of living in the human world and commit themselves to the higher reality, allowing nature to provide for their physical manifestations as it sees fit. +--- 14993556 +>>14993525 (OP) +Literally the only logically coherent version of Christianity, no requirement for thousands upon thousands of pages of cope as in preceding tradition. +--- 14993557 +>>14993525 (OP) +Look up "cage-stage". It's not euphoric at all. +--- 14993576 +It feels ABSOLUTELY AMAZING, because God receives ALL THE GLORY. +>The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps. +proverbs 16:9 +--- 14993578 +I think people often forget the mystical side to the reformed tradition. There are a lot of passages in reformed thinkers like Knox where they feel a great happiness in Christ. +I know hearing 'calvinism' we've been conditioned to think of dour faces and drab clothes, but that's not any more true than any other Christian sect. +--- 14993580 +>>14993545 +https://hekint.org/2019/05/28/john-calvin-his-rule-in-geneva-and-his-many-illnesses/ +--- 14993585 +>>14993525 (OP) +>>14993532 +>>14993549 +>>14993551 +I have a sneaking suspicion that you haven’t read any Reformed theology, beyond a couple of online articles perhaps, and maybe a video or two. +--- 14993598 +>>14993585 +>To be fair, you have to have a really high IQ to understand reformed theology... +Fedora. +--- 14993603 +>>14993580 +Unpleasant read. He sounds like a reprobate. +--- 14993622 +>>14993598 +No, you have to have a fear and reverence for God +--- 14993629 +>>14993622 +Sproul isn’t reverential, he discusses theology like a car mechanic +--- 14993631 +>>14993549 +>>14993598 +Are you unable to think or communicate in any other way than internet meme speak? +--- 14993648 +>>14993629 +How do you discuss theology? With crass language and meme-speak? +--- 14993654 +>>14993648 +lex orandi, lex credendi +--- 14993665 +>>14993631 +No, but being a meme yourself, it would be more than you deserve. +--- 14993718 +>>14993535 +>Calvinists don't deny the existence of free will +Only when it's convenient. Their theology is entirely inconsistent. And when you illustrate that in very blatant terms, they just say that you don't understand Calvinism or that you are misrepresenting it. +--- 14993737 +>>14993718 +Hmm, perhaps you genuinely don't understand Calvinism if everyone keeps telling you this? Have you ever considered that more likely than everyone else being wrong but you? +--- 14993742 +>>14993737 +Cope, you're following a trailer trash religion. +--- 14993747 +>>14993737 +>Hmm, perhaps you genuinely don't understand Calvinism if everyone keeps telling you this? +It's not about what they tell me, it's what they tell everybody. James White does this to everybody he debates. When cornered in his own submissions, he doesn't acknowledge the logical problems, he just says that you don't understand Calvinism you or misrepresenting it. They all do this the same thing. Not just to me. +--- 14993756 +>>14993580 +What the absolute fuck is wrong with Calvin. +Dirk and the other tripfag have some explaining to do. +--- 14993802 +>>14993742 +Calvinism is not 'trailer trash religion'. That would probably be the Baptists. +--- 14993883 +>>14993756 +Dude was psychotic +--- 14993887 +>>14993631 +I'm not unable, but I'm unwilling. +--- 14993928 +>>14993747 +>>14993718 +I believe Calvinists believe that all actions taken by individuals are due to their free will, however, God already knows the outcome of what they decide to do. +--- 14993965 +>>14993928 +Let's not what they believe though. They believe God is sovereign over all things. And that saying we have free will means God is not sovereign over us. +--- 14993989 +>>14993928 +To add to this, you just described open theism. Which is contrary to Calvinism. I don't think there's a mainstream Christian alive that doesn't recognize God already knows the outcomes of our decisions. +--- 14993997 +>>14993928 +In school we were taught "Calvin said everyone who sins was predestined to Hell so people hated him because they figured they shouldn't even try to repent if they were all predestined." I figured that was a simplification of it or something. That was in AP Euro. +--- 14994011 +>>14993997 +That's more or less what it teaches. But a little too broad of a stroke. It says that free will does not exist. That God predestines everything. That the moment you say there's something God did not predestine, you are eliminating the sovereignty of God in the universe. So a child raping a child is something that God predestined. It wasn't up to the rapist. The rapist wasn't in charge. God predestined it. There was no way for the rapist to avoid it. It was God that decreed the event would happen. God specifically made him and most people just to send them to hell and torture forever. And there was nothing anybody could ever do about it. That's Calvinism. It's completely in line with their theology. They hate when it is illustrated this way, so they just tell you that you don't understand Calvinism even tho it's completely in line with their theology and that can't point out where it's wrong. +--- 14994014 +>>14993545 +He murdered people that disagreed with him like Servetus. +--- 14994023 +>>14994011 +In real (unfallen) Christianity, God is all-good and doesn’t do bad things +--- 14994027 +>>14994023 +>real (unfallen) Christianity +What the fuck is this and why is life shit? +--- 14994029 +>>14994023 +He roasts babies for all eternity. +--- 14994032 +>>14994023 +That's correct. Calvinism makes God out to be worse than the devil. +--- 14994036 +>>14994029 +Incorrect. Babies don't go to hell. +--- 14994037 +>>14994027 +Because man has tried to exist without God +--- 14994074 +>>14994036 +They do if they're not elect. +--- 14994078 +>>14994074 +A baby who died would be elect. They have no sin on their record, so death cannot hold them. I'm sure in Calvinism it's different and they have burning tortured babies. But that theology is satanic. +--- 14994079 +Still have yet to hear a satisfactory Calvinist argument against understanding predestination as referring to the church corporately and not individual believers. +--- 14994083 +>>14994011 +As a hypersupralapsarian that is a great way to describe it. School shooters, genocide, famine, these are ordained by God. Suffering comes about when we substitute our fallen judgment for God's inscrutable plan. +--- 14994087 +>>14993965 +>Let's not what they believe though. They believe God is sovereign over all things. +And that's completely compatible with the existence of free will. +--- 14994125 +>>14994027 +Anything not of Him IS SHIT. That tells you a lot why its an ascetic religion and world rejecting. +--- 14994165 +>>14993631 +To be fair, you have to have a really high IQ to understand internet meme speak. +--- 14994357 +>>14994125 +Why are you on 4chan? +--- 14994390 +>>14994014 +He didn't have a choice +--- 14994419 +>>14994083 +>>14994011 +And what's wrong with that? It actually solves this paradox with God's being either good or all-powered. +--- 14994525 +>>14994419 +Not very satisfactorily imo but I guess that's one way to look at it. +--- 14994536 +>>14994525 +>not very satisfactorily +There's no another decision as shit still happens and in the Bible itself God was clearly stated as all-powered but never was stated as "moral" at all. +--- 14994549 +>>14994419 +The problem with that is that it plainly makes God the author of evil. "God allows [more accurately: causes] evil to happen to his creation for H I S G L O R Y" is a bafflingly immoral position. + +>>14994536 +> never was stated as "moral" at all. +The problem of evil is presupposed with God being moral and good, so this seems like a strange position. +--- 14994578 +>>14994549 +>plainly +I feel no pain about that. Why do you feel? +>evil +It was stated pretty clearly that the only unconditional "evil" is disobedience while Jesus, for example, openly accepted slavery. +>God being moral and good +The only "moral" qualities He described Himself were mercifulness and loving that He is showing with choosing the elect. +--- 14994603 +>>14994390 +Yes he did. He could have just followed the law and banished him because he wasn’t a Genevan citizen. But instead he went out of his way to murder him. +--- 14994648 +>>14993585 +>Worker is a dumbfuck proddie + +No surprises there diff --git a/his/14993572.txt b/his/14993572.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b6445395793ccad4c10526ceba5eda6cfda2cbef --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993572.txt @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@ +----- +--- 14993572 +Russia dodged a potentially fatal haplocurse from N +Russia’s luck continues to hold +--- 14993579 +R1a is getting destroyed by R1b's master (J2). +--- 14993651 +>>14993572 (OP) +i believe spengler predicted this diff --git a/his/14993586.txt b/his/14993586.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e89b1962b32eaeb460e325ee98bf6b21e68800c1 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993586.txt @@ -0,0 +1,12 @@ +----- +--- 14993586 +You guys are all a bunch of racist, prejudice, bigots +--- 14993597 +not racist just don't like em +--- 14994172 +>>14993586 (OP) +yeah but arguing about history is inconsequential. at least it's not /k/ or /pol/. just teenagers arguing with low IQ feds all day +--- 14994520 +correct +--- 14994526 +Sometimes different groups are different. diff --git a/his/14993596.txt b/his/14993596.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..3975baceeba0a201ea170c88a3be9d390bd3255c --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993596.txt @@ -0,0 +1,13 @@ +----- +--- 14993596 +>conquer an entire continent with 200 men +>Cant defeat 5k moorish garrison with 24k soldiers +???????? +--- 14993605 +>So many of Charles' troops were taken captive that there was a glut of slaves on the market in Algiers, so that 1541 was said to be the year when Christians were sold for the price of an onion per head.[21] +--- 14993745 +>>14993605 +onionbros... +--- 14993853 +>>14993596 (OP) +It doesn't matter how many troops you have if you can't/don't utilize them against the enemy effectively. diff --git a/his/14993609.txt b/his/14993609.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b32cf84607b03e27b6ee0193356fa09802c9ab43 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993609.txt @@ -0,0 +1,63 @@ +----- +--- 14993609 +What would have happened if Japan won the Imjin Wars and conquered Korea? Would they successfully taken it over and assimilated the Koreans like the Ainu or Ryukyans, or would it sort of be Japan's Ireland? Thoughts? +--- 14993635 +who caaares bro just like live in the moment lmao +--- 14993824 +>>14993609 (OP) +The ming would never have allowed it. If the japanese pushed even harder than they did historically the ming would end up committing the majority of their forces and probably annexing korea altogether to prevent future japanese incursions. +--- 14993832 +>>14993824 +This. +Essentially for Japan to annex Korea they would have had to decisively defeat not just Korea (which they struggled to do beyond the initial one-sided engagements in the south) but also China, which was basically impossible. +--- 14993862 +>>14993824 +>>14993832 +Also, Korea would have been forming righteous armies and engaging in guerilla warfare. This was the height of neo-confucianism in Korea. In real life when the Qing won they still LARPed as though Ming existed because of their master and servant relationship to them, if Japan won the Koreans wouldn't just lay down and accept it like they did in 1910 after Japan BTFO'd the failing Qing, who they never really liked in the first place. +--- 14993886 +Ireland's a better comp than Ainu or Ryukyu, there are and always were a LOT more Koreans. +>>14993824 +What if the Ming lose too? The dynasty fell within a half-century of the Imjin War, and Hideyoshi did fantasize about conquering China. +--- 14993949 +>>14993886 +It really depends on if the Jurchens/Manchus could become Japanese allies, which is hard to believe given they were the bulk of Chinese forces that fought the Japs in Korea. That would probably only happen if Japan controlled Korea until the Ming collapsed, which would be a tall but not necessarily impossible order. I could also see Japan moving into Siberia/Sakhalin much earlier than in our timeline as well. +--- 14993988 +>>14993832 +I mean, to be fair China doesn't have the best track record fighting the Japanese outside of this war... +--- 14994213 +>>14993949 +Also fully revived horde of Mongol BVLL +--- 14994230 +>>14993988 +Japan lost most of its pre-19th Century wars with China. +--- 14994241 +>>14993609 (OP) +Why the fuck did Korean infantry not have armor in this war? + +I feel like half of Joseon's military issues would be solved if their infantry wore armor like the fucking Japs & Chinks. +--- 14994396 +>>14994241 +dex > def +--- 14994529 +>>14993886 +The Qing conquest of the Ming took over twenty years, was one of the deadliest wars in human history, and Ming holdouts were still causing trouble years later. Hideyoshi conquering China was always a complete pipe dream. +--- 14994537 +>>14993609 (OP) +Koreans are the weakest out of all the East Asians. They lived the majority of their history as the little bitches of China then got conquered by NipBVLLs. +--- 14994589 +>>14994241 +They did have armor and there are dozens of documents providing evidence of wartime production. +>if their infantry wore armor like the fucking Japs & Chinks. +Korean infanteers had very little melee training whatsoever because the court decided to outlaw weapon sparring, village to village fighting events (excluding wrestling) due to casualties. They also decided to dismantle the elite targeteers after the coup so the princes won't use them as personal troops. +--- 14994775 +>>14994537 +If they were weak they'd be Chinese or Japanese by now lol. They're like the Poland of Asia, always at the wrong place at the wrong time. +--- 14994781 +>>14994230 +Japs beat the Yuan dynasty several times. +--- 14994783 +>>14993886 +japan couldn't even conquer china in the 1940s with vastly superior tech organization logistics and quality of soldiers. they had zero chance in 1590 +--- 14994789 +>>14994783 +IDK why people think Japan would ever conquer China. Japan back then is not 1930s Japan. Japan didn't even control Hokkaido or the Ryukyus back then. diff --git a/his/14993618.txt b/his/14993618.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..ad12b769c9fa33043bb1f9a788d4c19970911b8b --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993618.txt @@ -0,0 +1,176 @@ +----- +--- 14993618 +With the upcoming coronation, can someone redpill me on the English monarchy and its importance and unimportance. +--- 14993632 +hasn't been relevant sinces charles i +--- 14993637 +>>14993618 (OP) +Unbridled twink-tier fagg*try +--- 14993640 +There hasn't been a right-wing faction in England since 1688. The "monarchy" since then is in fact a pantomime operated under the total dictatorship of parliament that keeps the show running as a sick joke; to ridicule the past of a once-great nation simply because it can. +--- 14993644 +>>14993618 (OP) +The royals are more German and Scottish than they are English. +Some say the monarchy is just a tradition, a figurehead, with no power, a relic from the past. +But they still have real power and influence, King Charles has secretly written to PM's to change laws, so did the Queen, to get exceptions and so on. +The media are obsessed with them and fawn over them. +--- 14993655 +>>14993640 +Is it the same with the house of lords? +--- 14993660 +>>14993644 +Every single monarch is German. Google right now what the King of Spain and the King of Greece look like. +--- 14993675 +>>14993660 +Yeah even the Queen's husband Prince Philip, spoke German before he learned English + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v_Zy9pP66E&ab_channel=Stibitzer [Embed] +--- 14993684 +>>14993660 +Why did they all become German? +--- 14993691 +>>14993618 (OP) +Who was the coolest king? +--- 14993706 +>>14993684 +Not sure about the other royals. + +But last of the Stuart monarch, who were of Scottish descent, Queen Anne died with no heir. Parliament wanted a protestant monarch, so the other Catholic Stuarts weren't suitable. So they shipped over a distant German cousin of Queen Anne, George of Hanover, to become King. +--- 14993713 +>>14993655 +I'm not British (Irish) but it's my understanding that the House Of Lords' membes are either in the pocket of established land-lording families or are actual family members themselves. Most of the British countryside is own by a handful of families and has been for centuries. British politics becomes a lot of schizophrenic when you consider that these people are fairly formidable players. +--- 14993719 +>>14993684 +All of Europe has been ruled by Germanic monarchs since at least Charlemagne. +--- 14993720 +>>14993713 +becomes a lot less schizophrenic* +I'm drunk +>surprise surprise +--- 14993731 +>>14993719 +Wasn't Charlemagne a Frank? +--- 14993735 +>>14993713 +Only a small number of peers are aristocrats. Tony Blair got rid of most of them. They cannot pass down their peerages any more and will eventually all be gone. Most of the Lords are old has-been politicians, appointed by outgoing Prime Ministers. +The lords is a revising chamber, doesn't have any serious power, reviews legislation, to make sure it is sound. +--- 14993773 +>>14993618 (OP) +>English monarchy +The monarchs are Germans. +--- 14993795 +>>14993684 +They married into it. That's how the Romanovs became German at least. +--- 14993813 +>>14993773 +And the anglo saxons are german so its a perfect fit +--- 14993858 +Are there any nations that are still monarchies? Like true monarchies, not just symbolically +--- 14993946 +>>14993858 +Some Arab countries +--- 14994059 +>>14993720 +kek +--- 14994086 +>>14993684 +All the world is subject to Austria. +--- 14994102 +>>14994086 +hapsburg restoration when? +--- 14994143 +>>14993858 +Nope. Monarchies only survives nowadays by ceding power to a parliament and becoming pseudo-merchant politicians, like the Brits did. Modern technology makes it impossible for a true monarchy to exist +--- 14994149 +>>14994143 +Wouldnt a monarchy work better in the internet age? +--- 14994151 +>>14993735 +How did Blair get rid of these families (which I know next to nothing about)? Do you actually know about this? These same families actually own a sizeable piece of Dublin's real estate (though they've sold quite a lot of it in the past 10 years) +--- 14994159 +>>14994149 +No? Monarchy only thrived in Europe and the Near East because of the people's belief in the Divine Right to Rule™ or whatever the Arabs called their version of it. If anything, widespread information dissemination throughout the general population will only increase demand for democratic government. I'm a geniune, old-school Republican myself +--- 14994164 +>>14993640 +Kek. In the US, this is taught as a matter of fact in poli-sci circles +--- 14994171 +>>14994164 +It's pretty much true but any single politician or even single political party for that matter that would openly display hostility to the Royal Family had better be prepared not to win an election for the next 15-20 years. The Royal Family, while you're operating in England, is for all intents and purposes, untouchable beyond backroom banter +--- 14994174 +>>14994159 +I guess I'm thinking more in term of a governance structure as opposed to a vehicle for representing ideals. I guess I'm becoming a bit cynical when I see that representative democracy has entered it plundering stage. +--- 14994184 +>>14994164 +As a real life example (I'm the Irish anon), when the IRA killed Mountbatten every Catholic in NI held their breath waiting for the British to finally throw all their weight into the Troubles and were overcome with relief when the total war never came. +>most Catholics didn't want to escalate the conflict btw and just wanted the fighting to be over by then +--- 14994186 +>>14993858 +Bhutan +Brunei +Saudi Arabia +UAE +Qatar +Kuwait +Oman ? +Yemen ? + +That's about it. +--- 14994194 +>>14994174 +I think a monarchy relies on ruling over a country with much, much greater social cohesion than we have today +--- 14994205 +>>14994186 +I forgot... Morocco and Jordan as well. +--- 14994227 +>>14994194 +I wonder if it would be possible to form a quasi-monarchical government through the internet. It would probably be more like a club, but it still would be an interesting experiment. +--- 14994228 +>>14994205 +BTW these are de jure, not de facto forms of government. Basically what the political systems are supposed to be according to the constitution not what they are in practice. + +Blue = Presidential Republic +Yellow = Semi-Presidential Republic +Orange = Parliamentary Republic +Light Green = Parliamentary Presidential (Weird South African system) +Red = Constitutional / Parliamentary Monarchy +Brown = One Party State (Communist) +Green = Constitutional Military Dictatorship +Purple = Absolute Monarchy +Light Purple = "Executive Monarchy" (Very similar to absolute monarchy with a meme Parliament) +--- 14994248 +>>14994184 +There are rumors Charles was molested by Mountbatten. (Mountbatten, like Andrew, was a known diddler. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Mountbatten,_1st_Earl_Mountbatten_of_Burma#Sexuality_and_child_abuse_allegations) and thus when he was killed by duh 'ra Charles was grateful, which is why he's always so nice to SF. +https://youtu.be/20LMxIL5LcY [Embed] +It's all speculation and conjecture, but I can't see any other reason he'd be as pally with Republicans as he is. He clearly doesn't mind the fact Mountbugger was offed. +--- 14994250 +>>14994227 +It would fail because you couldn't physically beat the shit out of anyone disobeying the King +--- 14994255 +>>14994151 +>Do you actually know about this? +Yeah Blair passed the House of Lords Act 1999 +--- 14994256 +>>14994248 +Either way, thank fuck we got the GFA. The IRA was high on their own hype at that point, we just wanted jobs and equal say in the running of the province +--- 14994273 +>>14994250 +Well, the system could be constructed around the granting of privileges based on loyalty and achievements. And the punishment could be the denial of benefits. But I'm realizing that I'm just recreating project mayhem from fight club or the catholic church lol +--- 14994283 +>>14994273 +Both of those have actual negative consequences for disobedience. Don't fall into the modern trap of thinking you can train a dog with purely positive reinforcement +--- 14994310 +>>14994283 +Thats true. So, one of the duties a member of this online monarchical state must fulfill is finding disloyal members and kicking the shit out of them. After said shitkicking, Charles will send you a cameo saying well done +--- 14994312 +>>14994256 +Good for NI generally, but in a way it's sad to see the IRA become a bunch of drug peddlers and kneecappers, to go from fighting for a cause to that. +I fear what happens when the referendum on unification with Ireland is held, even if it loses it'll cause an uptick in terrorism, and if it wins God only knows what the loyalists will do. I hope all their bluster is impotent and it's simply a, for lack of a better analogy, post-apartheid tier exodus back to the motherland. +--- 14994475 +>>14994312 +The IRA men of today aren't the IRA men of yesterday, they're just using the name for its reputation. Working class Catholics have no reason to support any uptick in violence and would happily denounce the IRA if they were the aggressors. We have everything we fought for, Catholics live and thrive in peace and can celebrate their culture and history openly. It all depends on the Protestant community imo, it's pretty obvious they feel threatened by the changing tide but they geniunely wouldn't be ill-treated in a Catholic majority NI or even in the Republic. However if the Protestant community decides to lash out then old wounds will open on the Catholic side and the peace-loving everyday Catholics will remember what it was like to be afraid to leave their homes and won't hesitate to do a 180 and swing right back into fighting again +--- 14994815 +>>14993684 +What part of ‘Master Race’ did you not understand? +--- 14994818 +>>14993858 +Lichtenstein diff --git a/his/14993725.txt b/his/14993725.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..64c10a4ac14b28acdabe93e2fb0f771603f4efe4 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993725.txt @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ +----- +--- 14993725 +What makes a person more likely to be a mass killer than a serial killer and vice-versa? +--- 14993733 +>>14993725 (OP) +Socioeconomic factors +--- 14993752 +>>14993725 (OP) +Different times +--- 14993766 +Autism +--- 14993823 +>>14993725 (OP) +Mass killers are desperate and crazy, serial killers are usually just perverts. +--- 14994121 +>>14993725 (OP) +Mass killers want attention, serial killers want sexual satisfaction. +--- 14994145 +Spree killers just snap + +Serial killers do it for the sexual thrill +--- 14994160 +>>14994145 +I used to be a script kiddy. Pwning boxes was addictive and part of the thrill was playing with the people trying to catch you. You start out small and push things more and more until you're doing things you never thought you would. It's about power. diff --git a/his/14993774.txt b/his/14993774.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..203044e22fbcd1c11865b86a1f74681a1a3a1e68 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993774.txt @@ -0,0 +1,111 @@ +----- +--- 14993774 +Why couldn't capitalism solve racism? Surely a business would rather make more money by serving white and black patrons? +--- 14993784 +>>14993774 (OP) +>Surely a business would rather make more money by serving white and black patrons? +If a business served black customers than the racist white customers would refuse to go to that business anymore. +--- 14993785 +>>14993774 (OP) +Government interference, like all things that go wrong with society. +--- 14993799 +>>14993784 +"The customer is always right." +--- 14993821 +>>14993785 +--- 14993825 +>>14993774 (OP) +If there were two restaurants in my town, one that only served whites and one that allowed both whites and blacks, how may white people do you really think would go to the integrated restaurant? + +The truth is that segregation fits real human preferences better than integration does. +--- 14993830 +How does industrialization solve racism? +--- 14993831 +>>14993821 +>using government to enforce segregation good +>using government to enforce desegregation bad +You're still siccing your dog on private citizens, you statist kike weasel. +--- 14993835 +>>14993825 +Depends, how good is the food? +--- 14993907 +>>14993799 +That statement is a lie, the business owner/manager is always right even if the customer disagrees +>>14993821 +Those soldiers didn't go far enough, they should have actually shot/bayonetted them and not just posed for cameras +--- 14993930 +White customers had more money and power so they decided if black people were part of society or not +--- 14993943 +>>14993821 +You post this as if we didn't know the government was forcing desegregation +--- 14993980 +>>14993930 +When Jews do that to whitey it's le racist tragedy though ;( +--- 14994005 +>>14993980 +Only for the Whites who still want a multi-racial society, you won't find any segregationist Whites eating kosher. +--- 14994009 +>>14993774 (OP) +is racism a problem to solve? +--- 14994018 +>>14994009 +Depends on the degree I suppose +--- 14994035 +>>14993774 (OP) +A lot of restaurants served black customers out of the back end of the restaurant. In any case the government telling businesses who they HAVE to do business with is just as retarded as not serving both. +--- 14994124 +>>14993774 (OP) +The nation's collective productivity isn't sufficient to support an uber-wealthy ruling class AND a high quality of life for everyone else. So there are two solutions: + +>1) Redistribute the wealth of the uber-wealthy among the populace so that everyone may enjoy a high quality of life, or... +>2) Invent a lower caste of individual who will suffer a reduced quality of life. + +The uber-wealthy have wielded their influence such that there isn't enough political will for option 1, so the only alternative is option 2. Thus, the lower caste is exploited through low wages, prison slave labor, and predatory housing policy so the fruits of their productivity may flow to the higher castes. Recently, however, the uber-wealthy have been diverting more and more of this wealth to themselves, forgetting that the entire arrangement relies on the upper caste being pacified with their relatively high quality of life. +--- 14994127 +>>14993799 +lmao Most customers are fucking retarded who don't even know what they want. +--- 14994129 +>>14994124 +You're along the right lines but you're a little too retarded to fully get it, hit me with another post so I can reevaluate. +--- 14994135 +>>14994035 +>In any case the government telling businesses who they HAVE to do business +If you use government amenities and resources you do, if you are a private club then you can (a and many still do) be as exclusive as you want. The nature of private and public businesses isn't a clear but binary thing which makes it even more complicated. +--- 14994137 +>>14993907 +>the business manager is always right +Until they're wrong, anyway. Open a book +--- 14994179 +>>14994137 +Midwits always get filtered by that line. +--- 14994193 +>>14994009 +Not in the past 60 years +--- 14994577 +>>14994135 +Yes but restaurants don't do that. The concept of things like restaurants and hotels being "public" and therefore subject to government laws is bananas. Although what you brought up is funny, even the most Leftist Senators and Congressman couldn't bear to have nogs and kikes at their golf courses. +--- 14994586 +>>14993825 +I like black people so I would go to the one with black people. +--- 14994591 +>>14994577 +>even the most Leftist Senators and Congressman couldn't bear to have nogs and kikes at their golf courses. +You haven't seen many of them opening over time lol. + +>The concept of things like restaurants and hotels being "public" and therefore subject to government laws is bananas. +It's not. You serve the public or the private +--- 14994599 +>>14993774 (OP) +Because reality isn't just the material conditions so people will be racist because they hate other skin tone not cause they are on the wrong position in the means of production +--- 14994604 +>>14993831 +>>using government to enforce segregation good +>>using government to enforce desegregation bad +Yes, you fucking jew. Get the fuck out of my country. +--- 14994610 +>>14993774 (OP) +>Why couldn't capitalism solve racism? +Because not everyone's dollar is perceived as the same. If two people make 200k a year but you value Guy A's money more due to how he looks like or his citizenship over Guy B then A's money is just "worth" more to you. + +>Surely a business would rather make more money by serving white and black patrons? +In theory yes but certain patrons or social figures can potentially punish you for serving both in equal capacity rather than having blacks only do take out or sit in the back away from sightlines. diff --git a/his/14993777.txt b/his/14993777.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8009f22c15c4c5a9110b7526b76417afdf60cd9c --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993777.txt @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +----- +--- 14993777 +Is it true that Christianity didn't exist until the 1500s? What do people think happened between then and the life of Christ? +--- 14993787 +https://hekint.org/2019/05/28/john-calvin-his-rule-in-geneva-and-his-many-illnesses/ + +protestants are sick fucks +--- 14993790 +>>14993777 (OP) +Really? +I thought Constantine was a Christian I guess I was mistaken. +--- 14993800 +>>14993777 (OP) +The Christian faith existed since the 1st century: +https://pastelink.net/2w1ne + but P*pists and *Os can't recognize proto-protestants so they misrepresent Christians. +--- 14993806 +>>14993790 +Many people believe he only converted as a political move and continued being a crypto-pagan. +--- 14993810 +Wrong. Christianity didn't exist until Dirk was enlightened and able to give us the true faith. +--- 14993833 +>>14993777 (OP) +Catholics are more dishonest than atheists. +--- 14993840 +>>14993800 +>proto-protestants +The early-fathers were definitely closer to catholic or orthodox, you have to be pretty dishonest to ignore this +--- 14993844 +>>14993833 +>he trusts atheists +protestant moment +--- 14993855 +>>14993844 +Creating a strawman proves your dishonesty, retard. +--- 14993941 +>>14993840 +>Early church fathers virtually rejected icon veneration +>Most of their OT canon lists are closer to protestants' until the 4th century +>They said that the Rock in Mt 16:18 was Jesus +>Justin Martyr understood that the blood of the eucharist was referring to 'blood of the grape' aka wine +>The Didache stated that the bread was spiritual food not literal flesh +>1 Clement states Christians are saved by faith +--- 14993986 +Revelation is progressive. Society grows but God remains the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. The disciples of Jesus wanted to circumcise the world but Paul comes in says that is not what God is looking for but the circumcision of the heart. There is the acceptable, good, and perfect will of God so we don't want to live in the past which is acceptable in God's eyes but is that ever going to be me? Nope. Update your mind before God instead of obeying the traditions of your fathers that you miss it when God comes. +--- 14994007 +>>14993941 +>>Early church fathers virtually rejected icon veneration +What icon veneration? There was none, it developed. What they rejected was idolatry. +>Most of their OT canon lists are closer to protestants' until the 4th century +There was no closed canon during the time of the apostles +>They said that the Rock in Mt 16:18 was Jesus +Who? Where? +>Justin Martyr understood that the blood of the eucharist was referring to 'blood of the grape' aka wine +Source? Besides you can find plenty of early fathers clearly attesting the real presence +>The Didache stated that the bread was spiritual food not literal flesh +Where? +>1 Clement states Christians are saved by faith +We are, catholics believe this. What's your point? +--- 14994015 +Who are you quoting +--- 14994019 +>>14994015 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Babylonian_Captivity_of_the_Church +--- 14994025 +>>14994015 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Apostasy +--- 14994033 +>>14994015 +Dirk you have some explaining to do about you preaching the gospel of this sick fuck >>14993787 +--- 14994040 +>>14994019 +No you're not +>The titular "captivity" is firstly the withholding the cup in the Lord's Supper from the laity, the second the doctrine of transubstantiation, and the third, the Roman Catholic Church's teaching that the Mass was a sacrifice and a good work. +Hint: this isn't restorationism + +>>14994025 +No you're not +>A belief in a Great Apostasy has been characteristic of the Restorationist tradition of Christianity, which includes unrelated Restorationist groups emerging after the Second Great Awakening, such as the Christadelphians, Latter Day Saints, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Iglesia ni Cristo. These Restorationist groups hold that traditional Christianity, represented by Catholicism, Protestantism and Orthodoxy, has fallen into error and thus, the true faith needs to be restored +Hint: the great awakenings didnt happen in the 16th century +--- 14994068 +>>14994007 +>Claim that Paptists and EO are closer to early church fathers +>proven otherwise +>"don't count" +Jesuits aren't even trying anymore. +--- 14994077 +>>14994068 +>Proven otherwise +You didn't prove anything, retard, you just parroted what you heard Gavin Ortlund or some other moron say. +--- 14994089 +>>14994077 +>Ortlund +>Moron +UNBELIEVABLE cope +--- 14994091 +>>14994089 +He is dishonest, but it's no wonder you worship him. Like attracts like. +--- 14994099 +if you're a heretic (i'm not a heretic) you might point to the waldensians, paulicians, other crypto-faggots claiming they knew better than the apostolic fathers. you might claim these cults as keeping real christianity alive during the dark ages (as protties call the middle ages). +--- 14994101 +>>14994091 +Show one instance of dishonesty +Ortlund is the most careful, most irenic theologian on the internet as far as I can tell +--- 14994141 +>>14994101 +Anyone who's deep into history and is still protestant is either dishonest or a complete idiot +--- 14994144 +>>14994141 +I believe you are a protestant seeking to make catholics look like fools +--- 14994195 +>>14993777 (OP) +Only protestants who practice 'true Christianity' say that and believe that until Shartin Bluther people were horribly mislead and practice a le false gospel/religion no thanks to the wicked Catholic Church aka le whore of Babylon diff --git a/his/14993811.txt b/his/14993811.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..97c5bf99e08fd71b8c82fafb704c4e20d094f705 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993811.txt @@ -0,0 +1,33 @@ +----- +--- 14993811 +Would they have become a Central American style Banana republic? Would they have become Allie’s with the Brit’s? Americans? Someone else? Would the monarchy be likely to be over thrown? Unrelated, but I really like the Hawaii flag. +--- 14993817 +>>14993811 (OP) +They'd get annexed by Russia +--- 14993819 +>>14993811 (OP) +>Unrelated, but I really like the Hawaii flag. + +It's our only state flag with the British Union Jack on it fyi. +--- 14993841 +>>14993819 +I am aware. +--- 14993880 +>>14993841 +It is also the only state flag with the symbol of a foreign power on it. I actually think they should have made up a new one. +--- 14993969 +>>14993811 (OP) +It would be Japanese territory +--- 14993978 +>>14993811 (OP) +It'd be Japanese until WWII ended, then it would be like Samoa or the rest of the Pacific countries. It'd just be an insignificant island country with a weird history. +--- 14994104 +>>14993880 +Why? It reflects their history well. +--- 14994844 +>>14993811 (OP) +They might've become a protectorate of a European power simply to stop the Americans from fucking about. A little after the American Missionaries forced through the Bayonet Constitution which paved the way for greater American encroachment, a great number of Greeks, Germans, Austrians, Brits, and Hawaiians transofrmed the local Scheutzen Club into a counter-revolutionary front to restore the monarchy since they'd largely been favoured. The Americans especially hated the Greeks since quickly became very influential, especially with the Hawaiian royals, and with the Native Hawaiians themselves, having promoted their culture and music within their own institutions, and some even fearing conversion was around the corner and potentially Russian influence to return as a result. +Comparing it with other native monarchies, say Tonga, a British protectorate was established, and things very stable. Or Fiji, where the monarchy sold itself to Britain, which imported a great number of Indians resulting in the Fiji Hindis. It'd more likely end up as a middle ground between the two, with the Hawaiian Monarchy remanining, but the islands still open to foreigners and their plantations, especially as sugar cane and pineapples were booming amongst other crops. Regardless, if it were anyone but the Americans, the actual Hawaiian language would fare better. +--- 14994858 +>>14993811 (OP) +I think the flag indicates Hawaii was on the path towards becoming a British protectorate diff --git a/his/14993816.txt b/his/14993816.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..90cb6caff755ef2c0e84c1056364a8a1dc661be3 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993816.txt @@ -0,0 +1,5 @@ +----- +--- 14993816 +did she really deserved it? +--- 14993842 +yes diff --git a/his/14993837.txt b/his/14993837.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..fcc75c5b5282e3612046176d3aa2fe29db064adc --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993837.txt @@ -0,0 +1,43 @@ +----- +--- 14993837 +how do protestants cope without receiving the holy communion +--- 14993848 +>>14993837 (OP) +You're a jew +--- 14993869 +>>14993848 +Yes. +--- 14993894 +>>14993869 +Based +--- 14993958 +>>14993837 (OP) +Aren't you worried about getting germs and shit from your preist's dirty fingers, when he puts the cracker in your mouth? +You don't want to know what kind of places he has been sticking his fingers in. +--- 14994010 +Historically protestants have more communion in more kinds more often than romanists +--- 14994155 +>>14993837 (OP) +We do it a few times a year……>>14993837 (OP) +--- 14994322 +>>14993837 (OP) +Romish cope. I receive communion every Sunday from a church with valid Apostolic succession. +--- 14994437 +>>14994322 +Cringe +--- 14994453 +>>14993837 (OP) +lutherans take communion every sunday, so do most baptists. +--- 14994614 +>>14993837 (OP) +By going to hell. +--- 14994626 +>>14994437 +Do your homework, zoomzoom. +--- 14994628 +>>14994010 +Who are you quoting? +--- 14994690 +>>14994628 +Nobody..? +Are you having a stroke? diff --git a/his/14993929.txt b/his/14993929.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..7821108d10a1faaaa635814913008206d6b9e815 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993929.txt @@ -0,0 +1,5 @@ +----- +--- 14993929 +Tell me about the history of Eibar. +--- 14994013 +what a shithole diff --git a/his/14993954.txt b/his/14993954.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..83906d52ce5d4483651d56f5216ebb8e8e012e01 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993954.txt @@ -0,0 +1,31 @@ +----- +--- 14993954 +Ashkenazi Hasidic Chosen Race + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2RA7Aufes4 [Embed] + +Top tier best civilization builders: + +1. Ashkenazi Hasidic Jew +2. Japanese +3. Nordic Scandinavian +4. Persian Iranian +--- 14993964 +>>14993954 (OP) +Eat curb kike +--- 14994047 +>>14993954 (OP) +List of civilizations askhoids have created +>The shtetl as an entity and the pale of settlement at large +>Paralele pseudo tribal shitholes inside of ghettos. +>Israel kind of but Zionism rejects Judaism as we know it so it's a grey area. Plus multiculti jew country with resentful arab minority. +>Nothing else +Build some civilizations first before calling yourself the top one civilization builder, moshe. +>Inb4 but the west +That is at best a symbiotic relationship. At worst it's parasitism. +--- 14994054 +>>14994047 +>this is at best a symbiotic relationship. At worst it's parasitic. +It's exclusively parasitic and consciously so. +--- 14994056 +Still the worst schizo. Remove him, jannies, nobody likes his threads. diff --git a/his/14993975.txt b/his/14993975.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..263b01e3c1cf872dfee5fcbdbed26edf308c514c --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993975.txt @@ -0,0 +1,29 @@ +----- +--- 14993975 +bruh why dis nigguh angry? +--- 14993982 +>>14993975 (OP) +>its not racism when a black person says it +--- 14993984 +>>14993975 (OP) +This post violates a rule. +This post is off topic. +--- 14993992 +>>14993975 (OP) +I'm 100% sure that's a black woman that wrote that. Black men can cope by falling back on racial fetishizing of their group. Literally nobody wants black women including black men. Look up the stats. +--- 14993994 +>>14993975 (OP) +Thank God. That's one less future white person. Just one more mutt to add to the pile. + +Brasil Numero Uno!!!!! +--- 14993995 +>>14993975 (OP) +Black women exist to take the cock of superior races +--- 14994095 +>>14993975 (OP) +no idea given that nibbas can do much better + +he must be american +--- 14994098 +>>14993995 +too bad the superior race's cock is already taken by superior women diff --git a/his/14993996.txt b/his/14993996.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a2d4ac6c74639ab26b7b99e90f443570b7eeacd0 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993996.txt @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@ +----- +--- 14993996 +What was his power level? +--- 14994001 +>>14993996 (OP) +Is that Muhammad (Piss Be Upon Him)? +--- 14994017 +>>14993996 (OP) +He at least scales at Naruto the Last Movie as the moon was cut in half there. diff --git a/his/14993999.txt b/his/14993999.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..7ffc8b2276b034150c1877caaf17f707c57f71c5 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14993999.txt @@ -0,0 +1,52 @@ +----- +--- 14993999 +You Wakeup as Hitler. Its March 1942. How do you win on the Eastern Front? +--- 14994003 +>>14993999 (OP) +Hire more jewish scientists to invent the nuke. theyre smarter than white people +--- 14994008 +concentrate everything on moscow and the center of the soviet rail network of supply distribution +--- 14994064 +>>14993999 (OP) +Never could of won. The wehrmacht was a paper tiger. +After failing to capture Moscow. I would do a Napoleon and do a full retreat +--- 14994128 +>>14994064 +>could of +--- 14994497 +>>14993999 (OP) +>Its March 1942 +It's pretty much over at that point. Your best hope is to negotiate a white peace. +--- 14994681 +>>14993999 (OP) +>streamline the war production and ease up the maintenance issues by cancelling the useless superweapon projects and all the thousand different vehicle/megatank variations +>actually supply the Romanians and Hungarians with anti-tank weaponry and artillery and grant them licences to produce our stuff on their own +>don't split the Army Group South in two. Focus on Stalingrad first before pushing to Caucasus +>actually prepare the Panther line +--- 14994813 +The war is basically lost at this point, the best thing to do is maintain a strong position to force a negotiation. + +The answer is war of attrition. +The soviets had lost a large part of its best manpower from occupation and casualties. By 1945 the soviets had no more reserves, and the red army had to be immediately demobilized to get the men back into civilian life to avoid a economic and social collapse. Russia never fully recovered from its demographic losses even to this day. + +So the answer for Germany is to abandon all kinds of wasteful abd futile operations to capture key strategic locations, nor to hold on to the current frontline at all cost. +Instead adopt a highly mobile defensive position where you allow room for withdraws and attacks based upon actions by the red army. Forbid city fighting where German casualties are high, instead fight in the open where German tactical superiority can be best utilized. Maintain a high K/D ratio, pick your fights with surgical precision, encircle and destroy. +When the allies finally invade, allow them to capture western Europe with little resistance. Relentlessly offer both sides a seperate peace. Three different scenarios will happen: + +1. Allies will might be more lenient in order to maintain your strong position in Eastern Europe and keep the USSR down. +2. The USSR will try to end the war early because they're in an inferior position to the allies, in which you can now oppose the allies with everything and maybe force negotiations. +3. Unconditional defeat where Europe and Germany is divided in half between allies and USSR like IRL, in which case it doesn't really matter but at least you tried. +--- 14994826 +Not get into a pointless War that punishes random Jewry for the faults of a jealous king? Wilhelm II was obsessed with out-competing Britain and drove his country into the Treaty of Versailles. Hitler was somehow the retard that took control, but Germany was vehemently anti-Semitic by the 1880s and doomed by the fact that its first "king" was a figurehead for Bismarck. + +Britain had a policy of 2:1 ships, an enemy builds a warship? Britain built 2. Germany insisted on building Warships, things they could not afford, and Britain built double that, a thing they could. WW1 was always over before it started, and WW2 was always over before it started. The only thing that gave the Nazis a fighting chance was the British/French aversion to allying with the Soviets. +--- 14994836 +>>14994008 + +>Let's attack where 90% of the Soviet army and defensive preparations has been concentrated + +Case Blue initial success was due to the fact that the soviets were so sure the next offensive would have been again on Moscow, and thus left very little to defend the south, and initially refused to believe the Germans were even going south. + +Also, capturing Moscow is pointless at this stage since you need oil, and guess where the oil is? Not in Moscow. +>Center of communication and railway +What use is it to knock these out when afterwards you've now spent all your offensive capabilities for any future major offensive? diff --git a/his/14994030.txt b/his/14994030.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d314737e235f66da8a3a37fd30ce6d2562eecec1 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994030.txt @@ -0,0 +1,25 @@ +----- +--- 14994030 +>if we sacrifice more people the gods will hel-ACK! +--- 14994043 +>>14994030 (OP) +>-ACK +Will this shit meme finally die? +--- 14994094 +>>14994043 +>When will this meme final-ACK!* +FTFY +--- 14994112 +>>14994030 (OP) +This is my favorite Mexican painter. The whole piece is just so dramatic and he's so shameless about romanticism in general. One man is responsible for this culture's wewuzzery. What a chad. +--- 14994122 +>>14994112 +sorry forgot picrel +--- 14994662 +>>14994112 +>>14994030 (OP) +>posting inaccurate shit + +gross. Even pic related uses anachronistic armor for the conquistadors + +Even if you wanna use that painting, there's a higher quality version here: https://www.historynet.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Emmanuel-Leutze-Painting-of-the-Battle-of-Tenochtitlan-MH-May-2022.jpeg diff --git a/his/14994044.txt b/his/14994044.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..448182bd5d7206dd6a2433e0e87d7a32feb197a9 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994044.txt @@ -0,0 +1,8 @@ +----- +--- 14994044 +Forgive me if I'm being stupid or if I could just Google this because I'm having a hard time finding the answer. What do Arminians believe happens to someone who has died and hasn't heard the gospel? Do all people who would place their faith into Jesus hear the gospel? From the Arminian perspective, what happens to the hypothetical "man on the island" who never once hears the gospel? +--- 14994062 +>>14994044 (OP) +>Regarding the question of what happens to someone who has died and hasn't heard the gospel, Arminians believe that salvation is still possible for that person. They hold that God will judge people according to the light they have received. In other words, those who have never heard the gospel will be judged based on their response to the general revelation of God in creation and their conscience. +>As for the hypothetical "man on the island" who never hears the gospel, Arminians hold that salvation is still possible for him. They believe that God can reveal Himself to people in various ways, including through dreams, visions, or other means. Therefore, if the man on the island responds positively to God's revelation, he can be saved. However, Arminians also recognize that the best way for people to come to faith in Christ is through the preaching of the gospel, and they believe in the importance of evangelism and missions. +I want to be an Arminian, how can I? diff --git a/his/14994045.txt b/his/14994045.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b40a055aa1290b9caf8dac8b898869e0a991fb14 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994045.txt @@ -0,0 +1,38 @@ +----- +--- 14994045 +How would the 2003 invasion of Iraq play out if it occurred in 2023 instead? +--- 14994055 +>For the purpose of determining what is history, please do not start threads about events taking place less than 25 years ago. +--- 14994058 +>>14994045 (OP) +25 year rule, nig. +--- 14994060 +>>14994055 +anon, 2003 was 30 years ago... +--- 14994067 +>>14994055 +>>14994058 +guys its actual historical talk on this thread, it's infinitely better than all of the religion/atheism bait threads, haplogroup/phenotype threads, /pol/bait threads, and the other garbage flooding the board recently +--- 14994118 +>>14994055 +the 'rule' for a 'current event' is in the dropdown but '25 years' is not. +'announcing a report' however . . . +--- 14994233 +>>14994055 +Better to talk about something different that happened 20 years ago than the same boring ass shit threads about something that happened 80 years ago. +--- 14994276 +the US is in a way weaker position than in 2023 and would probably fail to drag along other countries. +But so much of that is the aftermath of Iraq, both in hurting their moral standing internationally and in making them lose another war. If they stay out the first time around, who knows? +One big difference I see is that social media will make American atrocities get out to normies in a way they didn't in 2023, and old media's decline in readers/viewers will make manufacturing consent harder. The big companies will try to clamp down but they do that with Israeli apartheid and Ukraine being full of nazis too, people still found out. +--- 14994285 +Drones. +--- 14994340 +>>14994045 (OP) +Lazier and more fake. People accept the fake news without objection now and the people that buy most into war propaganda are now the virtue signalling "liberals" instead of the rednecks. +--- 14994547 +>>14994055 +>>14994058 +Nobody does this hall-monitor shit in obvious bait threads. +--- 14994552 +>>14994547 +you don't understand, "why atheists are seething about r1b" is an essential discussion diff --git a/his/14994100.txt b/his/14994100.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..784d69356b6673ca4670294c34ea6b0b2b9d23f1 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994100.txt @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@ +----- +--- 14994100 +>City has massive chimpout. +>Emperor orders mass execution of rioters. +>30,000 killed by Roman army. +Was there ever a more based order ever given by a Roman emperor? +--- 14994120 +>>14994100 (OP) +They chimped out over a fag rapist. And ignored his crimes because he was a sports star. Greeks deserved it. Theodosius the Great indeed +--- 14994201 +>>14994100 (OP) +That time Constantius II "could not stop" his troops from killing almost all of his family. A shame his brothers were so far away, we could have colonies in Mars by now +--- 14994249 +>>14994201 +>we could have colonies in Mars by now + +>an unsustainably sprawled-out corrupt administrative district was a mountain peak that humanity tumbled from + +Fuck I hate this retard meme and every lazy schoolteacher who propagates it. +--- 14994259 +>>14994249 +please fuck off back to Re(tard)dit +--- 14994271 +>>14994100 (OP) +Could OP maybe acquaint us with said historical event? Not everyone is taking the same class. +--- 14994289 +>>14994271 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Thessalonica +--- 14994301 +>>14994100 (OP) +Justinian was so evil. +--- 14994456 +>>14994249 +Explain the administrative corruption with examples and without buzzwords +--- 14994460 +>>14994100 (OP) +Wish we could do that to BLM thugs today diff --git a/his/14994133.txt b/his/14994133.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b5cc2c82f9231fde7dd9bb68fa2d85b8e858d5cd --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994133.txt @@ -0,0 +1,26 @@ +----- +--- 14994133 +How is Eastern European mentality different from Western European mentality, historically speaking? +--- 14994152 +>>14994133 (OP) +There was a bigger difference at the end of communism but they are Westernizing themselves. +--- 14994177 +>>14994152 +This is what it looked like more than 20 years ago btw. +--- 14994237 +>>14994133 (OP) +--- 14994239 +>>14994152 +>>14994177 +What do the two axes mean? +--- 14994251 +>>14994133 (OP) +Western - loves niggers and trannies +Eastern - loves alcohol and combat sports +--- 14994254 +>>14994239 +Y axis is Secular-vs-Traditionalist: Basically how religions and traditionalist the people are or aren't. + +X axis is Survival-vs-Self-Expression: How much the people are concerned with free speech, denouncing corruption, being rebellious/protesting/voicing their opinion, making themselves heard vs simply being concerned with survival and keeping their heads down. + +It's a bit more complex than that but that's the gist of it. diff --git a/his/14994157.txt b/his/14994157.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b975b39ea960706aa1a3b4f64dfbd13671c99c3d --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994157.txt @@ -0,0 +1,14 @@ +----- +--- 14994157 +Greek Master Race +--- 14994170 +still the most boring schizo +--- 14994182 +that Robert Spencer on the right? +he's Pontic. +--- 14994242 +>>14994182 +Yes, Robert Spencer , most based Greek +--- 14994348 +>>14994170 +This. Ban him please. diff --git a/his/14994162.txt b/his/14994162.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0009326f80e8af04202b1820a046c29646c3203c --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994162.txt @@ -0,0 +1,132 @@ +----- +--- 14994162 +>Scripture is the sole rule of faith even though we accept the first church councils and the decisions of the apostate fathers of the babylonian church on what are the books of scripture + +>Scripture is clear enough even though we have a billion different denominations, people disagreeing on essential things and long dead heresies returning. + +>The church was overtaken by satanic forces for a 1000 years and only returned to it's true form with Martin Luther or the specific reformer of the church that I follow + +>Anything in these 1500 years of Christianity that doesn't agree with my personal interpretation or that of the reformers is trash and heresy, that is, most of it, but we ignore that. + +Hmm... doesn't seem very convincing +--- 14994168 +Strawman +--- 14994169 +Oh look it's another romanist who doesn't understand reformation theology trying to claim that luther & calvin were restorationist. is this all your rcia classes taught you pablo? +--- 14994173 +>>14994162 (OP) +Who are you quoting? +--- 14994176 +>>14994168 +>>14994169 +Most you believe at least the first two points, which is enough to rule you out as a bunch of clowns +--- 14994178 +>>14994176 +False +--- 14994180 +>>14994168 +Dirk, you're talking to pic related +--- 14994181 +>>14994178 +>Sola Scriptura is false +What the fuck, Dirk? +--- 14994183 +>>14994181 +Nothing has been said about sola scriptura in this thread +--- 14994188 +>>14994183 +So Sola Scriptura isn't about Scripture being the sole rule of faith and being blear enough on essential doctrines that anyone can understand them? +--- 14994190 +>>14994180 +I hastily eraser tooled that image out of a meme using paint.net years ago and somehow my version with obvious cutouts in the hat survives +--- 14994197 +>>14994188 +Correct, it is not +--- 14994203 +>>14994197 +What is it then? Enlighten me +--- 14994207 +>>14994203 +First say "I'm a disingenuous little queer who doesn't use Google before posting" +--- 14994211 +>>14994207 +How about you tell me how you don't believe scripture is clear and the sole rule of faith but call yourself protestant? +--- 14994223 +>>14994211 +for starters I know how to use a search engine +I'm telling you to look it up. I didn't make you post this thread +--- 14994225 +>>14994188 +Sola scriptura isn't about muh councils or muh 6 gorillion Protestant denominations +--- 14994229 +>>14994223 +So you still refuse to answer? Cool +--- 14994238 +>>14994225 +It's about having a book as your only infallible authority and your consciense as the sole arbiter of how to interpret it, everything else is secondary and can be discarded, like councils. Which is why you have your 6 gorillion churches. +--- 14994352 +>>14994238 +>It's about having a book as your only infallible authority +Why is the book infallible? +>your consciense as the sole arbiter of how to interpret it +Is this what I believe? +--- 14994369 +>>14994352 +>Why is the book infallible? +Because it was inspired and kept by the church +>Is this what I believe? +Unless you believe in Sacred Tradition, yes +--- 14994376 +>>14994369 +>Because it was inspired and kept by the church +Why do you believe God is dependent on your pope? +>Unless you believe in Sacred Tradition, yes +No, it is not what I believe. You continue to attack nothing but a strawman +--- 14994392 +>>14994376 +>Why do you believe God is dependent on your pope? +God chose to use his Church to maintain unity, to teach and to guide his flock. He doesn't need anything. +>No, it is not what I believe. +Who has authority to interpret the bible then? +--- 14994416 +>>14994392 +>He doesn't need anything. +Then infallibility is not contingent on your church? +>Who has authority to interpret the bible then? +Interpretation is not a question of authority. Who has authority to interpret this post? It's a non-question, meaningless noise. The words of scripture are the very words of God. They bear the authority of He who speaks them. He did so with the intention of being heard, for which reason He made them perspicuous. Or do you think God is an imbecile with less capacity to speak clearly than yourself? +--- 14994443 +>>14994416 +>Then infallibility is not contingent on your church? +Then infallibility is not contingent on your bible? I can ask you the same. God chose to use scripture and the church, but he doesn't need either. +>They bear the authority of He who speaks them. He did so with the intention of being heard, for which reason He made them perspicuous +So Scripture is clear, but there are a billion different protestant denominations, some who deny even basics like the trinity. So maybe, perhaps, since God left us these scriptures and since we clearly have a problem understanding them despite their clarity, He would have also left us with someone to tell us what is to be believed, don't you think? +--- 14994452 +>>14994443 +>Then infallibility is not contingent on your bible? I can ask you the same. +You could, but as you just demonstrated doing so renders the question incoherent. I want to know how it is possible that God's speech is infallible with or without your pope, but His words or only infallible with your pope's permission? That is a contradiction +>there are a billion different protestant denominations, some who deny even basics like the trinity +No. +>He would have also left us with someone to tell us what is to be believed +Yes, that someone's name is Spirit of Truth, and pic related is what He told us +--- 14994462 +>>14994452 +>but His words or only infallible with your pope's permission? That is a contradiction +He speaks both through the scriptures and the Church, contrary to you protestants we don't believe the two have to be separate or that God can't use one of them. +>No +Sad cope +>Yes, that someone's name is Spirit of Truth, and pic related is what He told us +And he continues to speak just as he spoke through his apostles he speaks through their successors +--- 14994518 +>>14994462 +>He speaks both through the scriptures and the Church +This isn't what your church teaches, in fact it expressly denies being inspired. But if that self-defeating route is where you want to go, that is fine, since scripture denies continuing revelation. But I have to know, is Nostra aetate ontologically identical to Revelation? Should it be bound after it in my bible? +>Sad cope +Yes you are +>And he continues to speak +He now speaks to us through scripture alone +--- 14994521 +>>14994518 +This whole post is a cope. I guess we'll just stay in this back and forth, so let's call it a day. +--- 14994524 +>>14994521 +Do Jews and muslims worship the same God as Christians? diff --git a/his/14994191.txt b/his/14994191.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8203d0ee71897a216c378c70e04351bc28ec9353 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994191.txt @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +----- +--- 14994191 +I'm not sure if this is the right board for this but it's related to religion so I'm gonna try (pls no ban). What does Survive the Jive believe? What's his theology? What does he believe about the nature of the gods? Does he think humans can comprehend them? When humans preform a sacrifice or ritual is it pleasing to the gods and thus they reward us for it, or are we simply partaking in their divine nature by doing these things? I wish he would just lay it out, but he always seems to dance around it. +--- 14994204 +You'll find that for many "pagans" the point is more about having a re-enchanted worldview and not about the actual existence and worship of the gods of their ancestors, despite the posturing + +That said I don't follow this guy closely enough to know but his content is great +--- 14994231 +>>14994204 +John Michael Greer talks a lot about re-enchantment. But he has a theological worldview. He claims (and I'm paraphrasing here) that it's impossible for humans to know what the gods are like or if they even exist (due to our major differences in levels of conciseness), but that the world seems to operate as if they do. That's not super in depth but it's good enough for me and it frustrates me when people won't lay out the basics of their beliefs. All Tom seems to have said on the nature of the gods is that he believes they exist. +--- 14994436 +>>14994191 (OP) +just watch his videos he speak a lot about that +he follows a neoplatonic theology +--- 14994517 +>>14994436 +Which videos? I've never seen him go into theology. +--- 14994564 +>>14994191 (OP) +I think he said once that "all gods reflect one Divinity" or something like that. I believe he also talked about "the divine" and how the gods are its manifestations. So, he's probably some kind of neoplatonist. +--- 14994575 +>>14994564 +Or maybe Hindu. diff --git a/his/14994196.txt b/his/14994196.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9818122f5de0b488f361945aa263b44024ce5824 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994196.txt @@ -0,0 +1,36 @@ +----- +--- 14994196 +I think these whiteboard styled videos and channels like off the kirb ministries might risk infantilizing religion and making it seem like some cutesy thing not to be taken seriously. You never see Muslims making videos in these light styles, to put it that way. + +Can someone from /his/ (not asking /wsr/) please recommend some Christian youtube channels that are drier and more serious? +--- 14994200 +>>14994196 (OP) +This is a symptom of protestantism, they have no sense of the sacred and the sublime +--- 14994206 +>>14994200 +Agree. Lutheran chads rise up +--- 14994716 +>>14994196 (OP) +Ask /wsr/ +--- 14994726 +Modern Christianity is essentially indistinguishable from lifestyle marketing. It appears that even God can't stand up to capitalism +--- 14994733 +>>14994196 (OP) +Alpha and Omega Ministries +--- 14994744 +Ryan Reeves +Truth unites +Inspiring philosophy +Mark Ward +Ready to Harvest +Matt Whitman +Theopolis Institute +Dr. Jordan Cooper +--- 14994800 +>>14994196 (OP) +>whiteboard +It depends who you are watching. Generally from the internet, you can't watch anyone 100% and expect to like everything they have ever made or said. Gene Kim has made good videos but Robert Breaker is really good. They are both about dispensationalism though and they sometimes explain where that comes from biblically. +>Impact Video Productions infantilizing religion +Absolutely, but it's like playing Marbles versus Jacks. Shooting Marbles for keeps is a boys game because if you shoot a crummy marble in the circle out but your shooter stays in the circle, then you lose your shooter (for keeps) to your friend or brother. Jacks is for everyone, you do one and throw a marble in the air, then twosies, then threesies, then foursies, then fivesies, throwing and catching the marble with all the jacks in your hand until you can't do any more. It's more of a game for everybody. But when you realize you are doing a game for everyone, just realize that it isn't what the game that is for the boys that they are playing. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrFx-6804Uw [Embed] +The thing about doing anything that is "for everybody" is they usually water down the message of God, that is why people do more for men because people tired of all the effeminate and watered down messages. diff --git a/his/14994214.txt b/his/14994214.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d4187d78e87352cf882f7eaa18f7a17974c8b424 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994214.txt @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@ +----- +--- 14994214 +He’s right about everything +--- 14994220 +>>14994214 (OP) +Except Eastern Orthodoxy +--- 14994262 +>>14994220 +/thread diff --git a/his/14994216.txt b/his/14994216.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..080bdc8e94fd7d5860733d8f0530aa3132b86c2e --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994216.txt @@ -0,0 +1,13 @@ +----- +--- 14994216 +What was his problem? +--- 14994217 +>>14994216 (OP) +Disdain for Plebs +--- 14994243 +honestly his inability to get along with his brother +--- 14994260 +>>14994243 +or anyone else, apparently. and if he found two brothers fighting, like those parthians, he tried to egg them on to murder each other. what the fuck did his brother do to him, rape him in the ass? +--- 14994372 +Imagine the collective brick-shitting that must have happened whenever a region's populace heard that this guy was going to be passing by. diff --git a/his/14994219.txt b/his/14994219.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..cf2826821a684d695887ecf9d2dbe4256fb5b5ed --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994219.txt @@ -0,0 +1,21 @@ +----- +--- 14994219 +Quotes? +--- 14994224 +>>14994219 (OP) +"I like to eat shit" - Martin Luther probably +--- 14994236 +>>14994219 (OP) +He was talking about religious Jews not ethnic Jews. +--- 14994247 +>>14994236 +"Christian Jews" are a demographic in the single digits in any country at any point in time. "Atheist Jews" are not going to receive any more favourable treatment by Luther. Attempts to make this distinction somehow matter are laughably pathetic. +--- 14994253 +>>14994219 (OP) +I like how I see this book gets posted by so many 'based and redpilled' men but they never quote it or ever talk about it instead just post a picture of the cover or the book in their bookshelf. +--- 14994346 +>>14994247 +An atheist is far worse than a Jew +--- 14994439 +>>14994219 (OP) +the only good quote of the entire book is the title. diff --git a/his/14994240.txt b/his/14994240.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d3d11b29a3984c17478e14b76be4efbf5ea5bce2 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994240.txt @@ -0,0 +1,150 @@ +----- +--- 14994240 +Why is he so embarrassing? He's like the religious equivalent of a fedora tipper +--- 14994245 +>>14994240 (OP) +complete focus on the world, they call it "aesthetics" +>more gold = more holy +--- 14994258 +>>14994245 +Barn church goer cope. The more beautiful a religion is the more it's true, what is outside reflects what's inside. +--- 14994263 +>>14994258 +How true is this religion +--- 14994266 +>>14994240 (OP) +I'm a massive faggot so I get my life philosophy from song lyrics but my take on the trad-cath thing is that it's like California Dreamin' in which a man goes into a church and pretends to pray to escape the cold winter weather outside. People feel that our society today is cold and inhospitable and that adopting religion as a means to escape the cold is worth it even if they don't really believe in it. +--- 14994269 +>>14994258 +paganism also looks good and lucifer walks around looking like a beautiful angel +I am a Catholic too but brother, beauty of this world is nothing. +--- 14994280 +>>14994263 +More true and more spiritually fulfilling than any american evangelical church, certainly +--- 14994287 +>>14994280 +>More true and more spiritually fulfilling than any- +you are basically a pagan, sorry to reveal it to you. +--- 14994295 +>>14994287 +I'm a perennialist, I don't care about your plebean exoteric labels +--- 14994309 +>>14994240 (OP) +QUESTION. +Why does Pope Francis want to ban the Latin Mass? +--- 14994317 +>>14994266 +Genuinely an excellent insight if a little long-winded. Never preemptively apologise in a post again +--- 14994321 +>>14994309 +what the fuck +--- 14994327 +>>14994295 +>I'm a perennialist +a pagan who will die forever and suffer in dark pit, unless you repent. +--- 14994330 +>>14994317 +Thanks anon. +--- 14994336 +>>14994309 +>It's real +Further proof that the Soviet efforts to infiltrate the Church have succeeded, just like they did in the US. How did the advent of Communism coincide so perfectly with the decay of our traditional institutions? +--- 14994345 +>>14994309 +Because of people like in the OP pic +--- 14994347 +>>14994336 +>Soviet Union still exists +woah +--- 14994353 +>>14994309 +>>14994336 +Sauce on this allegation please. +--- 14994359 +>>14994347 +The lasting damage of they psychological warfare is very much present today. Just as Nazis shaped our very society with their total war, so the Soviet shape it still with their covert ops +--- 14994367 +>>14994353 +Just search "Catholic church and the cold war", any search will tell you that the Soviets were keen to infiltrate the church since most Eastern Europeans were devout Catholics and the Church was the only true social opposition to communism until the USA started to throw McDonald's at everyone +--- 14994373 +>>14994367 +I'm talking about Pope Liberal Faggot wanting to ban the Catholic Mass. I find it believable, just barely. But I want sauce. Stop waving your fucking hands and trying to misdirect me. +--- 14994377 +>>14994373 +He released a document called Traditiones Custodes which restricted the TLM a bit because of retarded zoomer tradcaths +--- 14994378 +>>14994373 +Oh right. No he hasn't explicitly said he wants to ban it but he's reiterated that any priests or bishops wanting to perform the Latin Mass must asked the British Cardinal for express permission, which is quite obviously a maneuver to make it more difficult for the Latin Mass to gain exposure. +--- 14994385 +>>14994377 +There is a sizeable chunk of the Church that are traditionalists, which is something the Church has always been aligned with. The pushback against tradition only confirms the theory of Marxist infiltration +--- 14994398 +>>14994385 +Don't be disingenuous. There actual traditionalists and then there are "tradcaths" and schismatics, not the same at all. +--- 14994424 +>>14994378 +I see. Hm. If I were a Catholic official of *any* standing I would be pushing for Latin Masses left and right. The Anglican church has completely fucking collapsed in a puddle of postmodern goo, so there has to be a lot of spiritual hunger there. +--- 14994431 +>>14994398 +Tradcath e-coverts aren't the ones giving Mass, there is a HUGE portion of the clergy that doesn't agree with the every aspect of Vatican II +>>14994424 +Yeah and many of them are, many have the sentiment that you should advertise the Church, either you want to be saved or you don't. +--- 14994438 +>>14994431 +Shouldn't advertise* +--- 14994445 +>>14994266 +Good observation. I'm not a tradcath but I reckoned the appeal was people going on a journey of spiritual development and wanting to be a part of a like minded group. Like Gymbros: the moral development edition +--- 14994448 +>>14994309 +Explain to me, an non-catholic, what he controversy over the latin mass is about. +--- 14994463 +>>14994424 +I would join the Anglican church if it became an institution for the development and continuance on Englishness. Like high-Victorian Englishness. Like niggas be talking like they are Wodehouse characters and praising the duke of wellington. +--- 14994476 +>>14994448 +It's the mass before the 1960s changes, it's in latin and overrall much more intricate and frankly, beautiful. The problem is that the Novus Ordo, which is mass after Vatican II was very poorly implemented and gave too much freedom for people to experiment with it. The new mass can be very beautiful if done properly, usually you can see them in Rome, but in most places, specially in America, it's terribly bad, sometimes with outright abuses going on. So people who are more traditionally minded started hating on the new mass thinking it was inherently bad and started going to the old mass, and now we have basically a liturgical war going on. Imo the Novus Ordo needs to be revised asap and it's rubrics followed strictly, it's the only way to balance things out. +--- 14994483 +>>14994476 +Fair enough. Would maintaining the mass in latin be better at preserving the meaning? instead of say, in english, where the meaning of words seem to slowly change over time. +--- 14994496 +>>14994483 +It's not just the language Mass is given in, but the manner. The priest faces the congregation instead of the altar, there are various prayers and hymns omitted and the very structure of Mass is nearly unrecognisable, and shorter +--- 14994501 +>>14994483 +Not all of the mass needs to be in either exclusively. For example, in eastern cath churches some of the readings, songs and prayers are in vernacular, others are in the traditional language of the particular rite (greek for example). We are supposed to have this in the NO, with latin and vernacular, but like I said, most bishops and priests took the liberty to ignore this and only use vernacular. Anothe reason to revise the new mass. +--- 14994506 +>>14994496 +Ad Orientem is also recommended in the NO rubrics, it's very unfortunate that it's ignored. I don't see a problem with the less prayers and different structure thing though, they were just trying to simplify things, not make it less holy. +--- 14994542 +>>14994258 +Isn't beauty subjective. +--- 14994580 +>>14994240 (OP) +Whether they're tradcath larpers or fedora tippers, the ignorant and militant fanatics of both sides just end up making the actual opinions of their "team" look worse by proxy. They're only interested in the most surface-level takes of their beliefs and of the enemy's, so you get shit like "if sky daddy why bad?" or "fish start walking and become man" as actual arguments from them. They're also the sorts that deliberately avoid professing any of their own beliefs beyond the most surface-level observations because they themselves don't believe in anything. +They're not interested in discussion or learning because they just want to be right. +--- 14994592 +>>14994240 (OP) +Just be Catholic. The whole “trad” moniker is just completely silly to me. +--- 14994595 +>>14994266 +Maybe true but what about those who actually do believe in it, or end up believing seriously later on? +--- 14994611 +>>14994592 +I'm no longer Roman Catholic, but Taylor Marshall types are alien. + +In my 20 some years as a Roman Catholic, I don't recall encountering his kind. +--- 14994669 +>>14994611 +> I'm no longer Roman Catholic +What changed? +--- 14994688 +>>14994669 +he wanted to take up sin, presumably +--- 14994698 +>>14994669 +Lack of care by church leadership. +They took the parishioners for granted. +--- 14994709 +>>14994688 +No diff --git a/his/14994296.txt b/his/14994296.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a60166d1bac64dd7df0cef3c49ba42dad99b4709 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994296.txt @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@ +----- +--- 14994296 +why did bathsheba bathe in the top floor? +--- 14994300 +>>14994296 (OP) +Because she was a slut. +--- 14994343 +>>14994300 +No you idiot, david raped her. We know this because she was later honored as queen mother. +--- 14994350 +Why wasnt david out on campaign with the army like the other kings? diff --git a/his/14994326.txt b/his/14994326.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5f4259f0db92a04a061155eca12203d427e21e5e --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994326.txt @@ -0,0 +1,14 @@ +----- +--- 14994326 +When did mainline Protestant churches become so liberal? I find it very confusing. +--- 14994339 +Supernatural proof from God that they are not the true Church. +--- 14994344 +>>14994339 +This was a serious question regarding history. Fuck off with your triumphalist navelgazing. +--- 14994349 +>>14994326 (OP) +Unironically the Jesuits. They're affecting the Vatican also. +--- 14994395 +January 1st 2000. +In my country we had blasphemy laws before that. I'm not sure I want those but it reflects how fast my national church and the people turned "liberal", it's not actually about a political position, it's just people being brainwashed by US media. diff --git a/his/14994361.txt b/his/14994361.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..175b2d84e828ace5d92e5deb35265dc6ae3bb5df --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994361.txt @@ -0,0 +1,39 @@ +----- +--- 14994361 +I am Oriental Orthodox. It makes me very sad hat absolutely no one wants to convert into our Church. +--- 14994381 +>>14994361 (OP) +Tell me about it. What do you believe? +--- 14994402 +>>14994381 +The unique and united nature of Christ. +--- 14994444 +>>14994361 (OP) +your church is full of niggers m8 +--- 14994471 +>>14994361 (OP) +You have the "ethnic social club that converts aren't welcome in" perception even worse than the eastern Orthos, that's why. +--- 14994490 +>>14994361 (OP) +Be glad, you're avoiding schizos and bad people who want to ruin you. You know that anyone who converts is genuine about it. +--- 14994555 +>>14994361 (OP) +Shouldn't the Church be universal? +--- 14994563 +>>14994555 +No the church should be about a white ethnostate. +--- 14994568 +>>14994361 (OP) +stop worshipping jews chink +--- 14994601 +>>14994361 (OP) +I'm sure it's because your religion has like 10 churches in the entire western world and western hemisphere +--- 14994608 +>>14994471 +This, absolutely no one will bat an eye if you show up to a Catholic church during mass and just pray and follow along with everyone else. But show up to OP's church and you'd be given the side eye for the duration +--- 14994612 +>>14994361 (OP) +There's none in my area that I know of. +There's plenty of Greek and Russian Orthodox. + +While I have respect for them, I'm happy being an ACNA Anglican. diff --git a/his/14994393.txt b/his/14994393.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..413840a1046c4bf6da498e76c82c50a29a18cea2 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994393.txt @@ -0,0 +1,5 @@ +----- +--- 14994393 +Are cats the real protagonists of history? +--- 14994422 +No - I am. diff --git a/his/14994410.txt b/his/14994410.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f18d609ad8b96a18fb208549f84ea6b3bff6a401 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994410.txt @@ -0,0 +1,219 @@ +----- +--- 14994410 +Naturalism is just as much a worldview as Theism or Supernaturalism. It begins with the unprovable assertion that physical matter is all that exists. The irony is that Naturalism cannot prove Naturalism is true, because it cannot disprove the existence of the Supernatural. You cannot disprove the Supernatural by a lack of Natural evidence any more than you could prove the existence of the Supernatural with examples of Natural evidence. So why do Naturalists pretend that the default worldview is Naturalism, when the default worldview for thousands of years was Christianity and other religions? Take the Supernaturalism pill. It is the only worldview which is based on absolute truth, and the only true ground for logical reasoning. If absolute truth does not exist, then neither can logic, for logic is grounded on the existence of absolute truth. +--- 14994446 +>>14994410 (OP) +>when the default worldview for thousands of years was Christianity and other religions? +None of these religions agree though on anything. Not even Christians agree with each other. - Still never heard the case for any religion being true, and why all the others are wrong. +No evidence for the supernatural, therefore it can be dismissed. And even if you believe a God created the universe. How do you logically get from a designer to a designer who answers prayers? +--- 14994464 +>>14994446 +>Not even Christians agree with each other +This is mostly false, I'm not sure where this idea comes from. Most Christians agree on the vast majority of essentials to the faith. Virtually every society in history has believed in a God or gods. When you say "no evidence" you are really saying "no natural evidence", which evidence would be inadmissible anyway since no amount of natural evidence could "prove" that which exists beyond nature. If you begin with the assumption that only nature exists, of course you are not going to see nature as evidence of God, but you stand against the majority of those who have lived in history who inferred the existence of the supernatural from the natural. Examples include a sense of morality and justice, the existence of a rational soul, the beauty and order of the natural world, the sense of religion, etc. +--- 14994465 +>>14994410 (OP) +>methodological naturalism on the right +No +>>14994446 +>No evidence for the supernatural, therefore it can be dismissed. +What evidence is there for naturalism? +--- 14994519 +>>14994464 +>Most Christians agree on the vast majority of essentials to the faith. +not really + +> Virtually every society in history has believed in a God or gods. +they don't, plenty of tribal societies haved animistic believes and ancestor worship and lack the concept of gods +also different societies that had gods never really agree on what a god even is or what is their properties + +> "prove" that which exists beyond nature. I +you need to show that something beyond nature exist in the first place + +>majority of those who have lived in history +and ? + +>inferred the existence of the supernatural from the natural +failed explanation for how the world works + +> a sense of morality and justice +derived from social instincts + +> the existence of a rational soul +you need to prove that souls exist in the first place + +> the beauty and order of the natural world, +subjective BS + +> the sense of religion +derive from the human brain tendency to seek patterns everywhere and it's tendency to project human qualities such as intention to inanimate things + +>>14994465 +>What evidence is there for naturalism? +the fact that the natural world exist while anything supernatural has never been demonstrated to exist, that it has yield accurate and verifiable prediction about reality +--- 14994527 +>>14994519 +>the fact that the natural world exist while anything supernatural has never been demonstrated to exist +I didn't ask you about evidence of supernaturalism, I asked you for evidence of naturalism. What evidence is there for naturalism? +--- 14994533 +>>14994519 +>the fact that the natural world exist +How do you prove that, exactly? And is that objectively true? How do you know it's objectively true and not subjective like everything else according to you? How do you know "truth" is not merely a subjective human interpretation? +--- 14994613 +Naturalism is the only real metaphysics. + +Of course not to say I don't appreciate people coming up with fun big ideas, since they all allow you to analyse the world in a whole new way. +--- 14994621 +>>14994613 +How do you determine whether naturalism is real? +--- 14994639 +>>14994621 +Because as of until now every teleology outside of it has turned out to be ideological projection or have some other dumb issue. +And realiy actually acting according to natural laws has turned out to make the most sense, as of now. +--- 14994644 +I believe in the natural world because it exists and I can perceive it, as far as my subjective perception has told me. I have no reason to believe otherwise until proven otherwise. +I do not believe in the supernatural world because I cannot perceive it in any form and am utterly unsure as to its existence. Thus far, I - nor anybody else - could perceive its effects on life, if any. I have no reason to believe it until proven otherwise. +--- 14994645 +>>14994621 +Occam's razor. It's the simplest explanation for what we can observe. + +We can experience the natural world, but experiencing the spiritual world is incredibly subjective and inconsistent, especially between cultures. +We don't need the supernatural to explain the natural world, it has zero explanatory value. We cannot study or know any more about the soul and how it might interact with the body, but we can directly observe that different actions activate different neural pathways in the brain. +--- 14994673 +>>14994639 +>>14994644 +>>14994645 +>The things I experience are real because I experience them. +Ok, then God is also real because I experience God. +--- 14994677 +>>14994673 +Alright. I have nothing against you believing that. I just have no reason to believe that myself. +--- 14994697 +>>14994673 +What is experiencing God like? How do you know you're experiencing God? +--- 14994701 +>>14994697 +You're doing it right now. +--- 14994707 +>>14994701 +What would you describe the experience as? How do you know it's God? What qualifies it as being God, and not something else? +--- 14994712 +>>14994697 +What is experiencing nature like? How do you know you're experiencing nature? +--- 14994713 +>>14994712 +I didn't ask about evidence for naturalism, I asked for evidence of supernaturalism. What evidence is there for supernaturalism? +--- 14994732 +>>14994713 +Why do you keep avoiding the question? How do you know that nature is in fact real and not just a subjective reality created by your brain? Again, if you are asking for "sense evidence" for something beyond the senses then you are asking a nonsense question. Rational thought leads to the knowledge of the supernatural. Everything in the universe must have a beginning, and the only thing that could begin the universe is an uncreated Creator which exists outside of nature, thus supernaturalism. The same is true of universal truth. If God does not exist, then neither is anything universally true, and thus logic ceases to be grounded upon any truth. Your whole argument seems to be "nature proves the nonexistence of the supernatural", which it does not. +--- 14994748 +>>14994732 +>How do you know that nature is in fact real and not just a subjective reality created by your brain? +How do you know that God is in fact real and not just a subjective reality created by your brain? +>Rational thought leads to the knowledge of the supernatural. +How do you know? +>Everything in the universe must have a beginning, and the only thing that could begin the universe is an uncreated Creator which exists outside of nature +Can you prove that? How are you so sure? +>If God does not exist, then neither is anything universally true +How can you be so sure? What qualifies what you believe in as God? How can you be so sure? +>Your whole argument seems to be "nature proves the nonexistence of the supernatural", which it does not. +My whole argument, actually, is that repeatedly asking "why" doesn't bring anybody anywhere. All you're doing is trying to disprove an opposing stance while not doing much of anything to support your own. +--- 14994768 +>>14994748 +>Can you prove that? How are you so sure? +It's scientifically proven. Even you should agree with that one. + +>>14994748 +>How do you know that God is in fact real and not just a subjective reality created by your brain? +Because it's not only a logical necessity, but the basis of any logic itself. Either truth exists objectively, or it does not exist objectively. If truth exists objectively, then we have reason to believe in God. If God does not exist, then everything is merely subjectively true, as no objective truth can exist. God is the transcendent essence upon which truth is based. We can be sure or obtain certainty through divine revelation, which does not depend upon human reason alone to attain such knowledge. If God does not exist, what is your basis for believing in things like objective truth, objective morals, or science itself? +--- 14994785 +>>14994768 +>Because it's not only a logical necessity, but the basis of any logic itself. +Why? +>If truth exists objectively, then we have reason to believe in God. +How do you know? We only barely know when the universe might have started to exist, and that's only as we know it. +>If God does not exist, then everything is merely subjectively true, as no objective truth can exist. +>God is the transcendent essence upon which truth is based. +Why God in particular? Is truth based on its proximity to God, or is it based on things that have been stated by men to be related to God? +>We can be sure or obtain certainty through divine revelation +How do you know that it was divine revelation? How do you know that it wasn't a subjective reality created by your brain? +--- 14994794 +>>14994785 +>How do you know? +I know by way of faith and reason. + +>>14994785 +>Is truth based on its proximity to God, or is it based on things that have been stated by men to be related to God? +I don't understand what you are trying to ask. God is truth. + +>>14994785 +>How do you know that it was divine revelation? How do you know that it wasn't a subjective reality created by your brain? +I know by way of faith and reason. How you claim to know anything is still a mystery to me. +--- 14994799 +>>14994794 +>I know by way of faith and reason. +You believe, in other words. That is fine. It is not objective, though. +>God is truth. +Does truth act in the Bible, or if I've incorrectly assumed you as Christian, act in the material world? Did truth create humans, or did they arise on their own? +>I know by way of faith and reason. +You believe, in other words. That is fine. It is not objective, though. +>How you claim to know anything is still a mystery to me. +What have I claimed? +--- 14994806 +>>14994799 +I said that God is truth, not that truth is God. God created humans. If humans "arise on their own" by purely natural means, then truth is merely a human construct which is a result of random neurons firing in their brains. + +>>14994799 +>It is not objective, though. +Are you claiming objective knowledge? + +>>14994799 +>What have I claimed? +You seem to be claiming knowledge of objective truth, but you refuse to answer my questions. +--- 14994820 +>>14994806 +>I said that God is truth, not that truth is God. +What do you define truth as? What do you define God as? +>God created humans. +When? How do you know that it was God that created humans, and not something else? +>If humans "arise on their own" by purely natural means, then truth is merely a human construct which is a result of random neurons firing in their brains. +How do you differentiate randomness and reaction? What differentiates neurons randomly firing from God randomly creating humans? +>Are you claiming objective knowledge? +Do you understand yet? +>You seem to be claiming knowledge of objective truth +Why are you so sure of your subjective claim here? What made you believe this? +--- 14994824 +>>14994820 +>Do you understand yet? +No, I don't understand. Please explain. +--- 14994832 +>>14994824 +Why do you avoid my questions? +--- 14994834 +>>14994832 +You haven't answered my question. I'm not going to answer 1000 of your questions if you won't answer mine. Are you claiming that you have certain objective knowledge, or not? +--- 14994837 +>>14994834 +Why do I need to answer your questions? You made claims and now I have questions about them. +--- 14994839 +>>14994837 +If you want me to answer your questions, you have to also answer mine. +--- 14994842 +>>14994839 +Is it objectively true that you will answer my questions if I answer yours? How can I be objectively sure of this? +--- 14994846 +>>14994842 +Since you refuse to answer, I'll just assume that you are not claiming to certain objective knowledge. Since you do not claim to know anything objectively or with certainty, you in fact know nothing. +--- 14994850 +>>14994846 +>I'll just assume that you are not claiming to certain objective knowledge. +Are you forcing yourself to rely on a subjective claim as an axiom here? +>Since you do not claim to know anything objectively or with certainty, you in fact know nothing. +I am asking questions on what you claim, so of course I know nothing about what you claim. You refuse to answer them for some reason. +--- 14994853 +>>14994850 +>of course I know nothing +I know. + +>>14994850 +>Are you forcing yourself to rely on a subjective claim as an axiom here? +What do you mean? diff --git a/his/14994450.txt b/his/14994450.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9e97fb805668cbde746339fb5f767f2507e873d6 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994450.txt @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +----- +--- 14994450 +Do we have any on video? +Specifically, from a first-person perspective like a home video, they're extremely hard to find. +The best I could find is this and it doesn't fit the bill at all - it's 'reporting' and 'commentating', not documenting - although it does mention that the reunion was put on tape. +Perhaps there are dozens of tapes that just haven't been digitalised and uploaded online? +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeT_hHSpNXw [Embed] diff --git a/his/14994480.txt b/his/14994480.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..7591274b71533ba615a0a82a04e9cf36399b2df2 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994480.txt @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ +----- +--- 14994480 +WOLT IHR DEN TOTALEN KRIEG?! +--- 14994485 +>>14994480 (OP) +>HEY WAIT A SECOND YOU GUYS NOT LIKE THIS THIS IS A WARCRIME YOU GUYS ARE CRIMINALS WTF diff --git a/his/14994481.txt b/his/14994481.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c25d117ce08eebdb2eddcb8c85a49fc77b0fc9cd --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994481.txt @@ -0,0 +1,40 @@ +----- +--- 14994481 +Shouldn't religion belong on /x/? +--- 14994488 +I see more coherent discussions on /x/ sometimes desu +--- 14994489 +No. +--- 14994491 +No, because regardless if you believe in it, people throughout history did and insight into their faith and beliefs give greater understanding of their thought processes. +--- 14994498 +>>14994481 (OP) +We need a religion board. +There are so many dead boards, but this would probably outrank /his/ in users. +--- 14994500 +>>14994481 (OP) +Is that board even worth anyone's time? I went there hoping for threads on unsolved crime or spooky anecdotes but it's just coomers posting loli. +--- 14994503 +>>14994481 (OP) +/x/ is for aliens and ghost stories. Not systems that shaped history and humanities more than anything else. That belongs here. +--- 14994507 +>>14994500 +Be the change you want to see. +--- 14994515 +>>14994481 (OP) +No, because it concerns both history and humanities. +--- 14994678 +>>14994481 (OP) +No, religion need its own board, and there are already religious discussions + on /x/ anyway, 9 threads are about Christ or Christianity right now. +--- 14994693 +>>14994678 +>on /x/ anyway, 9 threads are about Christ or Christianity right now +So why can't Christcucks just move there? +--- 14994694 +>>14994481 (OP) +/X/ is an extension of /tg/. People go there to larp. +--- 14994724 +>>14994693 +Because some Christians enjoy talking spirituality and esoterism while other prefer talking theology and history. +Religions is a subject vast enough to talk about it in many ways, which is why it needs its own place where religious and fedoras could argue the same points for eternity. diff --git a/his/14994486.txt b/his/14994486.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..16faa28509daac506957b6d15dd4b6bbc8c8e943 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994486.txt @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ +----- +--- 14994486 +>black "men" +--- 14994494 +Lovecraftian horror +--- 14994513 +>>14994486 (OP) +>muh di-ACK! +--- 14994522 +>>14994486 (OP) +Keep coping. There are more white trannies than any other race! +You will die out +You will be happy +--- 14994546 +>>14994522 +--- 14994556 +>>14994486 (OP) +built for BBC (Buck Breaker Cock) +--- 14994557 +Buck breaking caused it? +--- 14994840 +>>14994522 +>There are more white trannies than any other race +It's just not true. Whites have the lowest rate. diff --git a/his/14994492.txt b/his/14994492.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..388c831f13f2875453c291141b6cd972189bc8c6 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994492.txt @@ -0,0 +1,44 @@ +----- +--- 14994492 +All Abrahamic beliefs already were proved to have its source in old Semitic pagan religions with heavy Sumerian influence. How is it possible if they were given to Iron Age kikes by Yahweh himself and must be unique and divine? +>Inb4: muh yahweh in bible whines kikes mix him with their old gods so muh +Then Bible itself has nothing to do with Yahweh. +--- 14994495 +>>14994492 (OP) +Inb4: yes, it's a dick, no, it's not Bes. +--- 14994499 +You can't tell the difference between a man and a woman +--- 14994502 +>>14994499 +Ah? Is Yahweh a tranny? +--- 14994505 +>>14994492 (OP) +Yahweh is not the name of a God, YHWH is an acronym representing the phrase "I am that I am." +--- 14994509 +>>14994505 +Then let's call him, say, El or Elohim. Don't you both mind? +--- 14994636 +>>14994509 +El was originally the highest God of the Canaanite pantheon, from which YHVH emerged. YHVH later became conflated with El, as evidenced by the term "Elohim" used in Genesis - which originally meant "Children of El" ( which is where YHVH originated, mythologically speaking). + +YHVH also had a Goddess consort, Asherah, whose worship was later outlawed. + +Deuteronomy 16:21 +>"Do not set up any [wooden] Asherah [pole] beside the altar you build to the LORD your God" +There's a reason these altars were initially made BESIDE the altar of YHVH. + +What's more, there's a reason many descriptions of YHVH from the O.T. are more or less directly lifted from the Ugaritic Ba'al Cycle. + +The Old Testament is derived from Canaanite polytheistic mythology. They even teach that in Seminary school. It's not a mystery to anyone who studies Judeo-Christianity, but somehow 99% of Jews/Christians have no idea where their religion came from. +--- 14994640 +>>14994636 +Here's a good video on the subject. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZECezMYug8c [Embed] + +Here's also a good read on the subject (written by a Jewish institution itself, ironically): +https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-birth-and-evolution-of-judaism +--- 14994656 +So do Abrahamists have anything to cope with this excluding the inb4? +>>14994636 +>>14994640 +Thanks for the links and elaboration, anon. diff --git a/his/14994530.txt b/his/14994530.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..6a093bd5cdb054aefedd026073a2b39b9fd74eed --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994530.txt @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@ +----- +--- 14994530 +Reddit O'Nella +--- 14994588 +>>14994530 (OP) +*reads wikipedia to you* +--- 14994593 +>>14994530 (OP) +Guy got burned out by gen ed uni courses, instead of getting rich off his wildly successful Youtube channel that was at its peak when he stopped. I hope he makes good money from whatever he manages to get into because he threw away a channel that would get around $400k a year now from sponsors and ad revenue now a days instead +--- 14994597 +>>14994588 +And that was the beauty of it, dude had life set out on easy mode for him, and instead of using what he's learning from uni to make content like other young creators do, he just gave up such a easy gig +--- 14994605 +>>14994588 +>>14994593 +>>14994597 +he could easily revive his channel if he wanted to. theres still a lot of people who like him which is why the most recent video he released got a million views in only a couple of hours. but i guess he doesnt want the pressure of internet fame and drama and that is a good thing. +--- 14994615 +>>14994605 +He's been doxxed since day one anon, I remember people stalking his personal facebook account to see if he was alive. He isnt some Idubbz or commentary youtuber that naturally brings drama in everything they do, he was a wikipedia summarizer. He was doxxed and absolutely no one ever wanted to bother him even with all his fame, wiki regurgitaters and green text reposter channels are the lowest pressure gig of all of youtube diff --git a/his/14994562.txt b/his/14994562.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..47cf5ec5cf3cafe0b09cea7c7a9b7dd9d5f89454 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994562.txt @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ +----- +--- 14994562 +>Imagine yourself as a living house. God comes in to rebuild that house. At first, perhaps, you can understand what He is doing. He is getting the drains right and stopping the leaks in the roof and so on; you knew that those jobs needed doing and so you are not surprised. But presently He starts knocking the house about in a way that hurts abominably and does not seem to make any sense. What on earth is He up to? +>The explanation is that He is building quite a different house from the one you thought of - throwing out a new wing here, putting on an extra floor there, running up towers, making courtyards. You thought you were being made into a decent little cottage: but He is building a palace. He intends to come and live in it Himself. +--- 14994565 +the chud backfiring on libshits and being embraced is so funny, they can't meme at all diff --git a/his/14994581.txt b/his/14994581.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1dca91437d4aed1b6c27c899caea9379231c4b2c --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994581.txt @@ -0,0 +1,117 @@ +----- +--- 14994581 +Why do so many dying atheists see the Kingdom of Heaven or the fires of hell when they are about to die? Are they just joking? No, I think not. It’s very clear to me that an atheist on his deathbed repents for his sins and finds salvation or succumbs to his own inner demons and falls into the lake of fire. There are far too many near death experiences that are very consistent for it to be coincidence. The evidence for the Kingdom is all around us. You need only open your heart to Him. +--- 14994587 +>>14994581 (OP) +Has there ever been a case where someone who was religious their entire life suddenly converted to atheism on their deathbed? I seriously want to know. +--- 14994596 +All those people that talk about their NDE are attentionwhores desperate for their 15 minutes of fame. +--- 14994598 +>>14994587 +>converted to atheism +How is this supposed to work? +--- 14994602 +>>14994598 +By renouncing their religious beliefs. How else? Are you trying to deny the existence of atheism? +--- 14994620 +>>14994581 (OP) +God intends to continue reincarnating me and forcing me to act as the frame of reference and only persistently real person in his retarded fake world so that so that he can self-identify as "a king" by self identifying with the temporarily manifested people he animates to abuse me through while forcing me to live and self-identify as "a peasant". He intends to continue forcing me to exist as the sole-sufferer of reality so that he can continue being the sole-enjoyer of reality and "believing in him" won't make him stop it just causes him to accuse me of being an atheist because I understand his true nature and the truth of the world +--- 14994631 +>>14994596 +>anything that hurts my agenda is fake +Atheists are like broken records. +--- 14994634 +>muh bibble +You don't understand it. +--- 14994635 +Why does OP keep making these threads? Doesn't he know that we know that the Ricky Gervais pics give away the fact that it's the same schizo every time? +--- 14994638 +>>14994631 +Ive seen you multiple times accuse news outlets of anti christian agenda. Remember the "atheists are obese" thread you made? A based atheist showed you a study where christcucks are the obese ones and you cried agenda. +--- 14994642 +>>14994638 +We should dub this man 'Ricky Gervais' agenda' +--- 14994651 +you mean the same ones who later on admitted they didn't actually see anything and just made it up for a publicity stunt +--- 14994659 +Youre not going to believe me, but I actually had a dream where I met Jesus. I went up to asked him +>why are you a virgin? +he replied +>i used to be, but then I settled down and raise a family + +Im still an atheist btw +--- 14994660 +>>14994635 +>Why does OP keep making these threads? +Because I care about people. +>>14994638 +Atheists are decadent and obsess over material goods. +>>14994651 +Cherry picking +--- 14994661 +>>14994631 +>stops replying when anons point out that 99% christian African countries have the highest suicide rate in the world +>dismisses studies that show American christians are fatter than American atheists on average as "jewish propaganda" +>still can't come up with a coherent excuse for why 65% christian America had gay marriage before the 80% irreligious Czech Republic did +cope +--- 14994666 +>>14994661 +>he doesn't believe jewish propaganda exists +--- 14994671 +>>14994666 +Don't think a thread about christianity is the place to be whining about "jewish propaganda" m8 +--- 14994672 +>>14994660 +>cherry picking +oh you mean like how you cherry picked some stories even if most don't have a similiar experience, especially since you always refuse to post anything to actually back up your claims +--- 14994674 +trying to praise god by using this unholy ai generated slop of an image is not the best look +--- 14994675 +>>14994660 +>I care about people +https://youtu.be/a40XLhSUREo [Embed] +--- 14994702 +>Why do so many dying atheists see the Kingdom of Heaven or the fires of hell when they are about to die? +like who? +--- 14994720 +>>14994660 +>gervais suffers.jpg + +Why are christtards always such petty, resentful dwarves? They're so small and childish, I bet Ricky Gervais fag is a manlet as well +--- 14994729 +>>14994720 +Christianity is just one big cope. + +>Youre a rich roman landlord that owns me? +>WELL I DONT EVEN LIKE HAVING MONEY AND I LOVE BEING A SLAVE ANYWAY +--- 14994740 +>gobbledegook wall of text +>OP's scat fetish +--- 14994805 +>>14994581 (OP) +Lmao +--- 14994812 +>>14994581 (OP) +>Brain gets cut off from Oxygen and vitals +>Oh my god! we all see the same light +Its called dying, retard. The same experience just means that dying often has the same symptoms. Why would God only reveal himself at Death? Oh because that's when it's most convenient, when you survive an event that kills others. +--- 14994814 +>>14994812 +>Why would God only reveal himself at Death? +God has revealed Himself to every point in history. What do you mean? +--- 14994817 +OP is a faggot whose only friend in life is Holy Lord Jeebus. Imagine obsessively posting on 4chan about Him and how He will save you with His hairy cock +--- 14994829 +>>14994581 (OP) +Brain hallucinates when it's oxygen-deprived. +--- 14994833 +>>14994829 +>everything religious is just one giant hallucination, but I have an objective grasp of reality with my superhuman intellect +--- 14994838 +>>14994587 +>>14994602 +Not really what you asked for but one of the founding fathers of atheism as an intellectual movement who had been a Catholic priest his whole life while secretly being a non-believer admitted to authorship of a very popular anti-theist treaty on his deathbed thus confirming he had been an atheist this whole time +https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Meslier +--- 14994843 +>>14994838 +A guy who was an atheist but LARPing as a priest is not really the same thing as someone who believed in God, then decided to stop on their deathbed. diff --git a/his/14994594.txt b/his/14994594.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..88987ce314918661ef0069ae523570ebcac9f6eb --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994594.txt @@ -0,0 +1,10 @@ +----- +--- 14994594 +Is this the biggest cope in history? The working class was supposed to be the main agent of the revolution and to be in charge of it. Only for the Party to deem them class enemies for resisting the seizure of their every belonging and virtual enslavement. +--- 14994609 +>>14994594 (OP) +It was a means to trick the revolutionaries to give the elites more power. +--- 14994655 +Wouldn't that be labor aristocracy rather than petite bourgeoisie? +--- 14994684 +petit bourgeoisie isn't working class at all, it's small business owners diff --git a/his/14994607.txt b/his/14994607.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0a861e58d8761954f47776baef5ad09a98e8ea9a --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994607.txt @@ -0,0 +1,5 @@ +----- +--- 14994607 +>John is traditionally depicted in one of two distinct ways: either as an aged man with a white or gray beard, or alternatively as a beardless youth.[26][27] The first way of depicting him was more common in Byzantine art, where it was possibly influenced by antique depictions of Socrates;[28] the second was more common in the art of Medieval Western Europe and can be dated back as far as 4th century Rome.[27] +>In medieval works of painting, sculpture and literature, Saint John is often presented in an androgynous or feminized manner.[29] Historians have related such portrayals to the circumstances of the believers for whom they were intended.[30] For instance, John's feminine features are argued to have helped to make him more relatable to women.[31] Likewise, Sarah McNamer argues that because of John's androgynous status, he could function as an 'image of a third or mixed gender'[32] and 'a crucial figure with whom to identify'[33] for male believers who sought to cultivate an attitude of affective piety, a highly emotional style of devotion that, in late-medieval culture, was thought to be poorly compatible with masculinity.[34] +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Evangelist#In_art diff --git a/his/14994617.txt b/his/14994617.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8d1ab7f4fa0e9ffd528d2fbc71e71c6e0647158d --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994617.txt @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +----- +--- 14994617 +ACKtheist sisters?? our response??? +--- 14994619 +Basedsame, we're leaving +--- 14994623 +>some black guy +>history +lol what? +Does he give you free whotes and lamborghattis? +--- 14994625 +>>14994617 (OP) +Based if real +--- 14994627 +>>14994625 +Andrew Taint is a Mudslim tho +--- 14994632 +>>14994627 +Rather have a Muslim fren than an atheist fren. +--- 14994650 +>>14994627 +>>14994632 +He's not a theologian, he converted not because of which deity he believes in, rather that he thinks islam has teachings and culture that aligned with his world view and masculinity. There could also be potential to get some aid from his new muslim audience because there's been new rise of islam trend nowadays. Also he has said how christianity is very mocked and all that, speaks volumes how it can be used to demonize him in the west diff --git a/his/14994654.txt b/his/14994654.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5d8c95c7a88261fac7e5180246b8ad80f07a3b3a --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994654.txt @@ -0,0 +1,13 @@ +----- +--- 14994654 +What would it take to mend the Great Schism? +--- 14994663 +the great schism was mended at the council of florence it's just that the modern“orthodox” church split from the uniate eastern church afterwards +--- 14994695 +>>14994654 (OP) +Somebody has to admot they're wrong. And that's never going to happen. +--- 14994774 +>>14994663 +Sadly no current Eastern Catholic churches trace their origin the Council of Florence, most in Eastern Europe date back to the Union of Brest, brought on largely by politics of the PLC rather than an actual desire for union. Others trace theirs back to the Union of Uzhhorod for largely the same reasons but within the Habsburg Monarchy. And a great deal flipped back over when they came under Russian or Romanian control. +>>14994654 (OP) +At this point it's difficult, Eastern and Oriental Orthodox are far closer to mending ties with some churches on either side having already endorsed a Joint Statement saying so, but for Catholicism, Orthodoxy will not tolerate papal supremacy, papal infallibility, immaculate conception, the filioque, and a number of other theological issues. For the Catholics, they're content with letting the Orthodox retain their beliefs in virtually all fields bar papal supremacy, as seen in relation to the Eastern Catholics. diff --git a/his/14994686.txt b/his/14994686.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a1dd5284d911fcb8d0002728c27df134289f7cb4 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994686.txt @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +----- +--- 14994686 +Why do Protestants hate everything to do with actual Churches? +>The Pope? Who needs him! +>Priests? Nah, don't need those. +>Sacraments? Only need baptism (and marriage). +>Icons, architecture, and religious art? Rather have bare walls and a bare cross. +>Doctrines? Nah, I'll just interpret the entire Bible myself. +>Traditions? I'll just make my own church. +>Communion? I'd rather pray at home by myself. +--- 14994704 +>>14994686 (OP) +>The Pope? +Late invention. Plus it started in Alexandria +>Priests? Nah, don't need those +Protestants have those just by different names. +>Sacraments? Only need baptism (and marriage). +Protestants celebrate the Eucharist. +>Icons, architecture, and religious art? Rather have bare walls and a bare cross. +Just like early Christians did and those who accepted the first version (legitimate version) and the council of Frankfurt-Yes please! +>Doctrines? Nah, I'll just interpret the entire Bible myself. +Christians interpret the scriptures according to the historical-contextual method. Aka how the authors would have been understood. +--- 14994711 +>>14994686 (OP) +Why do you make straw man arguments? +--- 14994719 +>>14994704 +Post proof for anything you said here. Most Prots deny the Real Presence, no priests only "elders", Rome has always had a bishop, Christians have always had art, and Christians have always understood the Scripture through the teaching of the Church. +--- 14994723 +Who are you quoting? +--- 14994734 +>>14994719 +>no priests +Presbyter is another name for a priest and Presbyterians are famous for it. + +Anglicans and most Methodists have bishops. +--- 14994735 +>>14994723 +God himself +--- 14994736 +>>14994723 +Nobody, are you having a stroke? +--- 14994747 +>>14994736 +When you >greentext like that it implies quotation +--- 14994756 +>>14994747 +It's an imaginary quotation for purposes of illustration. +--- 14994758 +Christianity is the most inconsistent religion on earth + +You kuffar can’t even agree on what your religion IS +--- 14994759 +>>14994758 +So which kind of Muslim are you? +Whirly Dervish or ISIL? +--- 14994766 +>>14994686 (OP) +>>14994719 +>Another papist retrojecting their current view of the church into the past without knowing or studying what the first pre-Nicaean Christians actually believed +So many cases. Sad! +--- 14994772 +>>14994766 +I would love to see your historical examples of "what the first pre-Nicaean Christians actually believed". +--- 14994780 +>>14994772 +It's not Mary worshippers speaking Latin. +--- 14994786 +>>14994780 +Catholics don't worship Mary, no matter how many times you say they do. +--- 14994801 +>>14994756 +So a strawman +--- 14994808 +>>14994801 +No, it's a literary device for illustration. If you disagree, post something to the contrary so that you may correct me. +--- 14994811 +>>14994772 +Chapter 2 from the Didache +>you shall not commit pederasty +--- 14994816 +>>14994811 +What point are you trying to make? +--- 14994827 +>>14994786 +No, they just super-venerate Mary and say she sits at the foot of God's throne and is elevated above all the angels and archangels and is the Mother of God and never sinned and can save sinners from God's wrath. +--- 14994828 +>>14994827 +>can save sinners from God's wrath. +She can only do this through Jesus Christ. +--- 14994841 +>>14994704 +> Protestants have those just by different names. +No. Protestant clergy and the Priesthood have nothing in common. The clergy of Catholicism and Orthodoxy have years of mandatory study and even if they pass they can be denied Holy Orders if they are deemed spiritually or mentally unfit. I could become a Baptist preacher tonight. There’s no bar to entry whatsoever, and that’s why Protestants have such lovely figureheads as Joel Osteen and Julie Green. +> Protestants celebrate the Eucharist. +If you called it the Eucharist in front of the majority of Protestants they would lose their mind. It’s not a sacrament to them, it has no intrinsic value to them. At best for Protestanrs it’s a moment to think about Christ’s sacrifice, at worst it’s “juice and a cracker” they have once a month. +> Just like early Christians +The early Christian churches were spartan because they were A. Broke and B. Often secret. You would think that churches that don’t fall into these categories would want to beautify the house of the Lord as much as possible. +> Christians interpret the scriptures according to the historical-contextual method. Aka how the authors would have been understood. +Ah, so you’re smart enough to interpret what men from 2,000 years ago really meant, but Church Fathers from a similar time frame wouldn’t have had a clue? This is the kind of hubris that leads to morons “cracking the code” and figuring out the Bible actually doesn’t condemn gays because that Greek word actually means pedophile instead. Of course, the Church Fathers who spoke Greek and the multitude of early Christians who also did just so happened to not figure this out for 2000 years and wrongly hated all gays. +--- 14994845 +>>14994841 +A priest in Anglicanism is ordained as such by a duly consecrated Bishop in the apostolic succession diff --git a/his/14994689.txt b/his/14994689.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..34157fe4c04113d8d5bc06ebc4cc99d9e956bc6a --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994689.txt @@ -0,0 +1,18 @@ +----- +--- 14994689 +Do you ever feel like God is telling you to stop using 4chan? +--- 14994738 +I don't know if I'd put it that way but I often feel 4chan is detrimental to my walk with Christ. Especially with the seething hordes of heathens here +--- 14994746 +>>14994689 (OP) +No, it's every Christians responsibility to spread the word of the Lord whenever possible. By even one of us keeping the fight against international degeneracy and neckbeards, is time well spent +--- 14994750 +>>14994746 +Atheism has already won. +--- 14994755 +>>14994750 +>Atheism has already wo-ACK +No it hasn't, atheists are also a self correcting problem, with the most secular cunts willingly signing themselves up for mass extinction +--- 14994803 +>>14994689 (OP) +I feel like common sense is telling me to stop using 4chan on a daily basis. diff --git a/his/14994692.txt b/his/14994692.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d2138251ebe9e3996a56d2a5c59f1d6e9121f8b0 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994692.txt @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +----- +--- 14994692 +>there are three types of laws in the OT +>the moral laws, the civil laws, and the ceremonial laws +>christians are only under the moral laws +where the fuck in the Bible does it say this shit? What verse? +--- 14994706 +>>14994692 (OP) +It was decided by the Church at the Council of Jerusalem. If the Law of Moses is required for salvation then Gentiles as well as Jews had to follow the Jewish Law. Since Gentiles are saved without the Mosaic Law through faith, it logically follows that the Mosaic Law is not necessary for salvation, either to Gentiles or Jews. + +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Jerusalem + +Acts 15:5-11 +But some believers from the party of the Pharisees stood up and declared, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses.” So the apostles and elders met to look into this matter. + +After much discussion, Peter got up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you that the Gentiles would hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, showed His approval by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as He did to us. He made no distinction between us and them, for He cleansed their hearts by faith. + +Now then, why do you test God by placing on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? On the contrary, we believe it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.” +--- 14994743 +>>14994706 +the purpose of the Mosaic law isn't salvation, and it's for jews only. +--- 14994751 +>>14994743 +The Law had no power to save, which is why we needed faith in Christ. + +Galatians 3:21-25 +Is the law, then, opposed to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come from the law. But the Scripture pronounces all things confined by sin, so that by faith in Jesus Christ the promise might be given to those who believe. + +Before this faith came, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. +--- 14994762 +>>14994751 +>The Law had no power to save, which is why we needed faith in Christ. +but thats not the point of the law. + +Salvation comes mainly from prayer and repentance. + +>Before this faith came, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. +this makes no sense if your ancestors weren't jews +--- 14994779 +>>14994762 +If your ancestors weren't Jews, you were never under the Mosaic Law to begin with. It wouldn't make sense to tell people who were never under the Law that the Law no longer applies to them. +--- 14994788 +>>14994779 +exactly, so why do Christians tell everyone this? +--- 14994792 +>>14994788 +Christians don't tell anyone to follow mosaic law in the first place for that exact reason. +--- 14994795 +>>14994692 (OP) +>where the fuck in the Bible does it say this shit? What verse? +It doesn't. It's cope that people invented to try and mesh contradictions in the Bible. Jesus said the law is in place forever. But Christians don't like that they have to follow torah law according to Jesus so inserted that he "meant" he moral law, not the rest of it. +--- 14994797 +>>14994788 +If the Law does not save, and Gentiles do not need the Law to be saved, then Jews do not need the Law to be saved either. I'm just answering your question. +--- 14994804 +>>14994795 +even if you're correct, gentiles were never under the law, so they wouldn't have to follow it anyway +--- 14994819 +>>14994804 +>even if you're correct, gentiles were never under the law, so they wouldn't have to follow it anyway +The old covenant is eternal, and Christians are grafted into Israel, thus become under the covenant God made with Israel. +--- 14994851 +>>14994819 +How does that disprove that Gentiles were never required to follow the Mosaic Law? +--- 14994852 +>>14994819 +The whole idea of being grafted into Israel comes from Paul who explicitly says gentiles aren't under the law. Believers are under a new covenant, like Jeremiah described. +--- 14994855 +>>14994692 (OP) +Anybody who comes to you and is talking about laws is bad news. +It's about the good news. And what you need to perform that good news. +Just tell people about Jesus. That naturally leads to constructing a church, reading scripture, singing ancient traditional hymns, and then going home. Churches can have more than this but you have to be careful, that's how corruption comes in. +Righteousness by faith is the only way it's done. Anyone who says "but, it's the law to-" is the enemy. diff --git a/his/14994741.txt b/his/14994741.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..36b9bc1db63aadea7baf1981e055ded448dfd277 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994741.txt @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@ +----- +--- 14994741 +Historically speaking why is Ruzzia so superior? Might is right faggots +--- 14994753 +>>14994741 (OP) +Geography is why it was successful in the face of higher quality peoples and also the reason it is lagging behind the rest of the world at every turn. Give any other group an equal population and their land, and you'd have a super power in decades, even some Ethiopians with Russias geography would do far better than what east slavs were capable of +--- 14994760 +>>14994741 (OP) +Gostomel Vibes +--- 14994769 +whoa russia is BASED? diff --git a/his/14994765.txt b/his/14994765.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..35fdd4587a90dcbba3ad050f04421d5991e9414c --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994765.txt @@ -0,0 +1,18 @@ +----- +--- 14994765 +Why were woman more attractive in the past? +--- 14994778 +>>14994765 (OP) +Less toxic food, less shit in the water, less pill abuse, no social media. +--- 14994784 +>>14994765 (OP) +aren't they hookers? +--- 14994787 +>>14994765 (OP) +They were thinner, married younger, actually useful in the home, surrounded by communities that place family over pussy worship, weren't metaphorical & spiritually ball snippers, less stressed from not having to do manual labor (fewer wrinkles), etc. +--- 14994790 +>>14994765 (OP) +No feminism. +--- 14994809 +>>14994765 (OP) +Nghhh diff --git a/his/14994782.txt b/his/14994782.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..eb2797cea55da46f018d260250d554a9b07f47f6 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994782.txt @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@ +----- +--- 14994782 +Quran can't be recited in any language other than Arabic, most Muslims name their children after Arabs and the religion in some ways literally espouses Arab supremacy. How did it gain so many followers without undergoing massive changes like early Christianity did? +--- 14994798 +>>14994782 (OP) +The arabs conquered extensively and after they went gay their religion catched on to other people who also conquered. Except in indogia (and the sahel before the fulani islamized it for good by the sword). Where it came tied with a very useful cultural and political package/trade connections +But it was mostly by the sword. +--- 14994802 +I doubt it ever even occurs to Islamic scholars. diff --git a/his/14994810.txt b/his/14994810.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5578b65272877cdbbec15aab788f4d1145918ef8 --- /dev/null +++ b/his/14994810.txt @@ -0,0 +1,12 @@ +----- +--- 14994810 +Let's say you believe in Christ, worship him, and do everything he tells you to do, but you actually fear instead of love him. Do you still go to heaven? +--- 14994822 +>>14994810 (OP) +>do everything he tells you to do +If you did that, you would love God. +--- 14994825 +If fear Christ and don't love Him, you have never met Him +--- 14994831 +>>14994810 (OP) +>implying an all-knowing and all-powered god hasn't decided if you go to heaven or not yet