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+--- 115809790
+Give me shoegaze recs that aren't MBV, Slowdive, or Deftones
+--- 115809820
+Plastica - The Man I Love (1997). a more electronic take on the genre. on the noisier side.
+https://youtu.be/uGycroF3FD0 [Embed]
+--- 115809866
+Candy Claws
+--- 115809883
+jesus and mary chain?
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkPRQG77YiA&amp;ab_channel=GrungeRiver [Embed]
+--- 115809913
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAMuyv7KKkg [Embed]
+also deftones is not shoegaze
+--- 115810004
+>tfw no horse faced shoegaze gf
+Kill me.
+--- 115810038
+>>115809913
+>deftones is not shoegaze
+That's why I said not to recommend them
+--- 115810075
+>>115810004
+I have no idea where so many people got this idea that she’s gorgeous.
+--- 115810089
+>>115810004
+--- 115810139
+Swirlies, Lilies, Pale Saints, early Whirr, LSD and the search for god
+--- 115810145
+>>115809790 (OP)
+miku
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPYqrVDlc_4 [Embed]
+--- 115810563
+>>115809790 (OP)
+My Vitriol - Finelines. An underrated classic.
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZIE6bWE40Xw [Embed]
+--- 115810584
+>>115809790 (OP)
+The Raveonettes - Lust Lust Lust
+--- 115810589
+>>115810004
+>Horse faced
+Bad teeth does not equal horse faced. She's a very pretty woman.
+--- 115810593
+>>115809790 (OP)
+https://youtu.be/sT_KAv9PJWo [Embed]
+Doing metal with shogaze before Deftones though with an androgynous voice
+--- 115810706
+>>115809790 (OP)
+Fleshwater
+--- 115810772
+>>115810589
+She doesn't have bad teeth she has an overbite, so a horse face.
+--- 115810801
+Slowcrush
+--- 115811155
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppOMMZWagB0 [Embed]
+--- 115811248
+>>115809790 (OP)
+Deftones is Nu Metla though
+--- 115811446
+>>115809790 (OP)
+whirr
+--- 115811497
+The Deafheaven album is very good.
+--- 115811522
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9chz9KF61Y [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcKGlOtPiK4 [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GCF5aCRQo0 [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNY6cAngA4s [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y88jxtwSi88 [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYFf3Bi1OIs [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8Ubpz40MDE [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXyRAsBp998 [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=820NtfymPhQ [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnY_Kjy0H9c [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Htz_U7073i0 [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnTSmInzdr0 [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inmv_HVAtiY [Embed]
+close enough to shoegazey sound i think, nothing like MBV though
+--- 115811594
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5LThVDYUoM [Embed]
+--- 115811603
+This one may not be shoegaze but it's close enough in form and spirit.
+--- 115811609
+>>115811603
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEFn29AVJlI [Embed]
+--- 115811626
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7tygYo27ic [Embed]
+This one definitely isn't shoegaze but it's very close to it spiritually. I also think this is the best 'teenager nostalgia' album I've ever listened to. It's beautiful.
+--- 115811658
+>>115809790 (OP)
+They Are Gutting a Body of Water
+--- 115811668
+>>115811248
+i kinda agree, but the fans (especially the new ones) dont. and the members have even claimed they are heavily inspired by shoegaze. some songs are more shoegazey than others, some songs arent shoegazey at all. usually you only notice it in the chorus.
+--- 115811978
+>>115811626
+We Own the Sky is beautiful.
+Their newest album is much more shoegazey and is also very good. Check it out.
+--- 115812064
+>>115811603
+>This one may not be shoegaze but it's close enough in form and spirit.
+Same goes for Wild Nothing - Nocturne. Maybe the best 'unrequited love', heartache album ever produced. I just checked and of course fagtano gave a 'light 8' to what is obviously a strong 9 or 10 album that deserves classic status.
+--- 115812067
+>>115810139
+seconding swirlies and lilies, although I like lilies less shoegazy stuff a little better.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSYFBMrODb4 [Embed]
+^ great lilies song
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3JXEeQaQTY [Embed]
+great swirlies song
+--- 115813677
+>>115809790 (OP)
+>No Ride
+Listen to Nowhere mate it's killer.
+--- 115813733
+>>115809790 (OP)
+https://youtu.be/BNPddd4rkfQ [Embed]
+--- 115813794
+>>115810004
+don't you fucking dare you faggot
+--- 115814447
+A girl that I have a crush on likes this band:
+https://youtu.be/RZTdi36oVZ8 [Embed]
+Airiel are pretty good:
+https://youtu.be/ane5Dp_gqbw [Embed]
+--- 115814816
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2cafinj4PQ [Embed]
+--- 115815636
+horrors primary colours
+--- 115816154
+>>115809790 (OP)
+Chapterhouse
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEIAaWQfxMY [Embed]
+--- 115816169
+>>115812064
+one of my friends was a session musician on that album
+--- 115816184
+>>115809790 (OP)
+The two best shoegaze albums are:
+Lush - Spooky
+Lush - Split
+The best EP compilation:
+Lush - Gala
+You are welcome.
+--- 115816204
+>>115816169
+cool.
+--- 115816242
+>>115809790 (OP)
+--- 115816316
+Luminous Orange
+--- 115816658
+>>115809790 (OP)
+soda stereo - dynamo
+--- 115816703
+The Horrors
+https://youtu.be/zZJZZ_QX6mg [Embed]
+--- 115817628
+>>115816703
+inferior to
+https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOJWuc3CN303F2UsilAO_JNnkKO8NYPLo
+--- 115818467
+>>115809790 (OP)
+No one mentioned flying saucer attack yet?
+--- 115818656
+>>115810075
+cause she's super cute?wtf
+--- 115818726
+>thin air - All Revolve All Dissolve
+>noisy, droney, lo-fi shoegaze
+--- 115819199
+Any aggressive shoegaze recs? I like You Made Me Realize cause it's a big guitar wall but the drums and bass are going ham underneath, kinda like dinosaur jr
+--- 115820478
+>>115819199
+Not sure if it would count as shoegaze but, a place to bury strangers might be a good rec
+--- 115820489
+i don't think post-90's shoegaze counts as shoegaze
+--- 115820516
+>>115810004
+yeah, she isn't that hot. still better than what I would be able to pull.
+--- 115820606
+>>115809790 (OP)
+>shrimp
+>they are gutting a body of water
+>kraus
+>brokenteeth
+>eiafuawn
+>deadharrie
+>MOP
+>a country western
+>pasteboard
+>computerwife
+>plague skater
+>julie
+>glare
+>animal ghosts
+>echo
+>waveform*
+>parton kooper planetarium
+>teethe
+>blue smiley
+>sundots
+>draag me
+>birth day
+>dead sullivan
+>teal peel
+>valium aggelein
+>helvetia
+>island of love
+>duster
+>coma cinema
+>melaina kol
+>wednesday
+--- 115820788
+>>115820489
+honestly original shoegaze is one of the most boring genres. all sounds the fucking same. would rather listen to spacemen 3 and other non-sheogaze psych bands
+--- 115820877
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcJWW8C9tY4 [Embed]
+SF59 is really good
+--- 115820892
+>>115810004
+I love her
+--- 115822870
+>>115820606
+good list
+--- 115822956
+>>115809790 (OP)
+Zoomers dont know about this one (I'm a zoomer)
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ7_ufLazwM [Embed]
+--- 115823456
+>>115820788
+>original shoegaze is one of the most boring genres. all sounds the fucking same
+You meant '10 flatgaze
+--- 115824279
+>>115823456
+Yeah modern shoegaze is gay. I'm not gonna act like all the original shoegazers hit the mark 100% of the time but god all these modern bands have the dullest songs ever. They have no energy and don't move at all. It'd be one thing if they were intensely melodic to make up for this, but it's just a bunch of limp dick losers moaning into a mic over like 1 chord.
+--- 115825867
+pluramon last two records
+luminous orange 99 ep
+--- 115827767
+>>115819199
+Depending on how much aggressive you are looking for try blackgaze (Asu no jokei, etc.). Other than that try with something that mixes shoegaze with post-hardcore/space rock like Nemo, Mob, Hum, Nevermind Me, etc.
+--- 115828144
+>>115812064
+why do you care so much about what fantano rated this album
+--- 115828646
+>>115809790 (OP)
+Bowery Electric - Beat
+--- 115829030
+>>115810563
+Came here to post this, a timeless classic
+--- 115829394
+>>115828144
+I don't care that much. I feel strongly about that album though and think it deserves the highest praise. The songwriting and sound mix is superb throughout.
+--- 115829514
+>>115810004
+bro has never met a woman
+--- 115829968
+I think this is criminally underrated for how amazing it is, literally slowdive but done better
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3g2YyYAPA&amp;pp=ygUHbG93dGlkZQ%3D%3D [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7miaBhbG4NU&amp;pp=ygUHbG93dGlkZQ%3D%3D [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjnPpmYqp-E&amp;pp=ygUWbG93IHRpZGUgc291dGhlcm4gbWluZA%3D%3D [Embed]
+--- 115830187
+Is Catherine Wheel shoegaze?
+--- 115830195
+>>115829968
+>slowdive
+>lowtide
+whats next, steadyswimming?
+--- 115832748
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8HP9-hMiXQ [Embed]
+ultracherry violet
+>>115830187
+yes
+--- 115833818
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMPs8XWAfkk [Embed]
+this is decent (and recent)
+not the most original, but whatever.
+--- 115835495
+These guys were an opener for Pond and I actually ended up quite liking them
+--- 115835512
+I also can't believe that nobody has mentioned M83 yet. They are shoegaze, fight me
+--- 115835713
+listen Amp. begin with Stenorette and proceed from there
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7XV2Jzef_Q [Embed]
+--- 115836062
+>>115835512
+>>115811626
+>>115811978
+--- 115836680
+>>115809790 (OP)
+carnavas - silversun pickups
+--- 115836857
+>>115809790 (OP)
+>deftones as a shoegaze rec
+do zoomers really?
+--- 115836912
+>>115836857
+zoomers hear the effects in koi no yokan and cream themselves, shoegaze influenced =/= shoegaze
+--- 115837390
+>>115818656
+disagree, therefore refuted
+--- 115838182
+>>115809790 (OP)
+YOUUU DANCE LIKE THE JUNE SKY YOUUU MAGICAAL PINK RAAIN AND I BURRN ORAANGEE
+--- 115838292
+>>115835495
+Fucking love Leach
+--- 115838309
+>>115811658
+Saw them live in Nc opening for Horse Jumper of Love fucking sick show
+--- 115838361
+love me some early verve
+--- 115839061
+>>115836857
+you 8 the b8
+--- 115840100
+SPC ECO
+https://youtu.be/Uc-F5VTBJyA [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/G7TCYM-QYww [Embed]
+--- 115840274
+i like this album
+--- 115840307
+>>115836857
+They do have some shoegays songs though.
+--- 115840364
+>>115809790 (OP)
+Lift To Experience
+--- 115840381
+>>115819199
+There are a lot, will post tomorrow.
+--- 115840387
+Ringo Deathstarr. They rock.
+https://youtu.be/5Xqz8G5RCp4 [Embed]
+--- 115840443
+>>115809790 (OP)
+Try on this album for size. I happen to like it, but it CAN be a little long-winded at times. Lighting Out for the Territories is one of the most triumphant things I've ever heard.
+--- 115840589
+>>115809790 (OP)
+Sphere- Echo and Narcissus
+--- 115840650
+>>115809790 (OP)
+Some Oasis.
+--- 115840771
+>>115836572
+>>115838182
+>>115818467
+Overrated rym garbage
+--- 115841120
+>>115836062
+Looks like ctrl+f doesn't solve every problem...
+--- 115841262
+Bailter Space
+Medicine
+Moose
+--- 115841284
+https://youtu.be/3A9RSiRIB-o [Embed]
+--- 115841300
+https://youtu.be/2gkmDWEKY9k [Embed]
+--- 115841352
+https://youtu.be/7lVpcski2p8 [Embed]
+--- 115841902
+https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3QqTgdwXkb0&amp;list=OLAK5uy_mjJV5PgA5rObV8evB4_yVFmELG0ugI0wE [Embed]
+everything The Brian Jonestown Massacre has put out is amazing and worth checking out
+--- 115842551
+>>115840771
+But I don't see Parannoul there
+--- 115842626
+>>115829514
+You have shit taste I'm afraid.
+--- 115842791
+>>115809790 (OP)
+Listen to Curve
+https://youtu.be/Y3jYRP9jGKc [Embed]
+--- 115842965
+>>115820877
+Starflyer 59 seconded, one of my fave songs of all time:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn-2bd7QxwM [Embed]
+for something heavy and all-encompassing check out tokyo shoegazer, name is really gay i know but its good
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8IZoTQLpXQ [Embed]
+--- 115843090
+>>115809790 (OP)
+https://youtu.be/_Pwl0hwjXGY [Embed]
+--- 115843103
+>>115809790 (OP)
+My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
+Slowdive - Souvlaki
+Deftones - Ohms
+--- 115843319
+>>115809790 (OP)
+Ride
+--- 115843985
+>>115809790 (OP)
+The band Superheaven
+--- 115844001
+>>115843911
+shawty wanna flyy
+shawty wanna spend the niight
+i'm pourin' up 4s up in da sprite
+shawty luv me
+shawty gon' die for me
+shawty luv me
+somewhere in the niight
+you will fiind me
+onee day
+i'll be codeine-free
+--- 115844047
+>>115844001
+oops I forgot to say it mixes hip hop with it as well. but would you consider the instrumental as shoegaze?
+--- 115844055
+>>115843911
+>>115844001
+>>115844047
+Fuck off
+--- 115846120
+Why do they call it shoegaze?
+--- 115846520
+>>115846120
+cause you look at ur feet while pedaling the guitar
+--- 115847005
+>>115842626
+Embarrassing taste.
+--- 115847848
+>>115844047
+>hip hop
+KYS>>115844047
+--- 115848272
+Medicine 5ive is an absolute banger
+--- 115848767
+Wish I could still listen to shoegaze, as soon as I turned 21 I just couldn't listen to it anymore
+--- 115850164
+>>115819199
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=HFLlg_m0U4M [Embed]
+--- 115850200
+>>115809790 (OP)
+did this nigga just say deftones
+--- 115850227
+>>115846120
+because the fags that play it can't look the audience in the eyes while playing so they look down at their shoes to avoid pissing themselves on stage. also to enable/disable a few pedals in their array of dozens of expensive guitar pedals every 4 bars
+--- 115850321
+>>115848272
+this is correct, shot forth self living is good too
+--- 115851088
+>>115809883
+Is this supposed to be real? Why is there constant hissing over the music?
+--- 115851184
+>>115843911
+Kill yourself faggot
+--- 115852522
+>>115848767
+Sounds like youre retarded
+--- 115853566
+>>115841902
+based and true
+--- 115854701
+how do you guys go about finding new shoegaze releases (asking for "a friend" who wants to find out which blogs or something he should promo on. lol)
+--- 115854742
+Lush - De-Luxe was a great finding, Cherub Rock clip took heavy inspiration from this
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKrw5wOlSng [Embed]
+--- 115854794
+>>115809790 (OP)
+More adjacent to shoegaze, but close enough
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq8_dmCO_bw [Embed]
+--- 115854871
+>>115854794
+if her vocals were lower energy, it would be shoegaze.
+--- 115855157
+https://youtu.be/n9RV2ONywvw [Embed]
+--- 115855404
+>>115809790 (OP)
+Droppin' shugazi copy pasta in here for resources and such
+/shugazi/ General: Shoegaze, Dream Pop, Noise Pop, Slowcore, etc.
+Archived Threads:
+>https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/search/text/shugazi%20general/
+Welcome to /shugazi/, the comfiest general on /mu/. This thread is dedicated to the discussion of Shoegaze, Dream Pop, Noise Pop, Blackgaze and other sub-genres. Slowcore, Twee Pop and Ethereal Wave welcome as well. Come discuss your favorite albums/artists, explore new things and banter with your fellow shoegazers. As always, shilling collection playlist to spread the love:
+https://open.spotify.com/user/comfydaddy/playlist/1HkipeBXaIwCyq8rYL7gio?si=W7OCyoaZT4-enI193IQVyw
+>What are you guys currently listening to?
+I'm listening to Kairon; IRSE! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl35IJdEi6Y [Embed]
+Infograph Charts/Genre Maps: https://imgur.com/a/ndMU0
+>Archived Shoegaze/Dream Pop genre dump
+https://mega.nz/#F!hd1EQD7B!XrR3f5D6uIfeL7zkUKg2IQ
+https://mega.nz/folder/8pwigDra#QAWmjNRSi8ygJcW50JeBAg
+>Archived Japanese Shoegaze dump
+https://mega.nz/#F!hAcjBKiD!nshFvCA8bOxjA2vcl6Gulw
+https://mega.nz/#F!RSonhBaA!j76a_0DuTphHRv22QmmVow
+>Yyy's Japanese and South Korean shoegaze collection. Albums with "()" are shoegazy and the ones with "[]" are blackgaze
+https://mega.nz/#F!VIdDlLgT!nAN7jv0xEO67dow2-cB03A
+>International Dream Pop//Shoegaze YouTube Compilations
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBAnse49Su4&amp;list=PLfWkhCjby8slcQ0L7grx6D0PujNqRkTfa [Embed]
+>When the Sun Hits
+Good resource for current news and interviews
+https://whenthesunhitsblog.blogspot.com/
+>CrushingDreams YT channel (backup)
+https://www.youtube.com/c/BlueNoizer
+>Eastern European + Asian shoegaze YT channels. Tons of fully uploaded projects
+https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClvBbCbZpVolZHWqnLasVYA/featured
+https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWubfmD-UY92kgCct3PXvZQ
+>DKFM shoegaze radio
+https://decayfm.com/
+Perma link to least cringe anon discord: https://discord.gg/UMBkgys - /shugazi/
+--- 115855775
+>>115854871
+>lower energy vocals
+This is artificial requirement made by journosojaks and zoomers. Of course if you had some spectacular or experimental guitar work, you wouldn't hear the vocals and you wouldn't need to hear them either. But this is not the case with like 90% of the larping bands and listeners anyway.
+--- 115856633
+>>115847005
+Shit taste.
+--- 115856983
+>>115855404
+Bought all the Candy Claws rarities and one-offs I could find and uploaded them.
+Tracks:
+>Alp Shades
+>Alp Sway Snow Team
+>Do You Ever Feel That Way? (Starflyer 59 cover)
+>Everything Everywhere (as Magnificent Space Whales Forever)
+>Five Hands Of The Ice Queen
+>Leaellynasaura (alternate mix of Birth of the Flower)
+>Pony Rides (alternate mix of Lantern Fish)
+>Snow Face
+>Solar Mirror Anthology Vol. 6 (as Sound of Ceres)
+>Solar Shaded (Dreams of Austria)
+>Verana Summers
+Links:
+https://a.pomf.cat/oyneyf.zip
+https://files.catbox.moe/7vod6q.zip
+--- 115857165
+>>115819199
+try swirlies radio album
+--- 115857782
+>>115809790 (OP)
+fa
+--- 115857906
+>>115809790 (OP)
+Best shoegaze album
+--- 115858651
+Teeenage Wrist
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ExEhbDHVu0 [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkO5szkjJj4 [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfn5WwCtfJc [Embed]
+>>115819199
+Pinkshinyultrablast
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuDscQBInyA [Embed]
+--- 115858677
+>>115809790 (OP)
+https://youtu.be/uGU9M5rTX_I?list=RDEMrirZFdRqXQzAq-8alsvxKQ [Embed]
+--- 115858690
+>>115809790 (OP)
+I agree, deftones suck
+--- 115858773
+Tokenai Namae 溶けない名前
+Tokenai Namae 溶けない名前
+Tokenai Namae 溶けない名前
+Didnt go through the whole board but I didnt see this mentioned for Japanese shoegaze.
+--- 115858836
+>>115858773
+Oops, whole thread i meant
+--- 115858889
+https://voca.ro/14pp3CaHjFK3
+blackgaze
+--- 115859090
+Bowery Electric
+https://youtu.be/IV589mjuFJw [Embed]
+--- 115860864
+>>115855404
+here's alt chart - any one else got old charts?
+--- 115860888
+>>115819199
+Ecstasy of St. Theresa - Pigment
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=QNXUQ1mOrV4 [Embed]
+--- 115860929
+>>115842791
+God Toni Haliday in the 90s was something else
+--- 115862194
+this is great
+--- 115862219
+>>115810075
+ugly people tend to be attracted to other ugly people
+--- 115862255
+I'd appreciate it if shoegaze bands stopped doing the "Adam Sandler in Little Nicky" voice.
+--- 115862339
+>>115862219
+what the fuck
+she's 9/10
+--- 115862375
+>>115862255
+no androgynous vocals = no listen
+--- 115863921
+https://open.spotify.com/artist/33NDti5QcPsuwCsLZjC53d?si=4Hazz-9ZSSydXbpk9FT3rw&amp;utm_source=copy-link
+https://fenech.bandcamp.com/album/anything
+Fenech an italian shoegaze band, saw them live a couple of times
+--- 115864088
+>>115855404
+Impressed those Megas still work. Remember downloading them in like 2014 or something. Someone really should make a more current flow chart though. Oldies of course still stand
+--- 115864130
+>>115809790 (OP)
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH9EJg4o9-s [Embed]
+--- 115864678
+Been listening to Mercury Rev a lot but they feel more shoegaze-adjacent than actual shoegaze
+https://youtu.be/5bKKtgOTDRA [Embed]
+--- 115865073
+>>115862339
+In Bongland I guess.
+--- 115866596
+>>115819199
+Great and underrated EP by Blind Mr. Jones
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=w8NFvWWVbYg&amp;pp=ygUVRXllcyB3aWRlIGJsaW5kIG1yIGVw [Embed]
+--- 115866673
+>>115819199
+Slowdive - Beach Song/Take Me Down single
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=TyePtIPTfB4 [Embed]
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=2-N8DgYo_Pk&amp;pp=ygUVU2xvd2RpdmUgdGFrZSBtZSBkb3du [Embed]
+--- 115867166
+>>115819199
+Skywave - Echodrone
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=qbH1YK2YRXk [Embed]
+--- 115868106
+>>115819199
+St. Johnny. This has a little grunge too and the slacker production.
+https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n1bdUtZBNtYoa1wlAPlM8HpucDHV-Gmmw&amp;playnext=1&amp;index=1
+https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL493041B6B6383472
+--- 115868133
+>>115819199
+Slacker indie rock with some fuzzy shoegazey songs
+https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeFNvIV0eyyJpK3BRXSfNJFJ_T6udZurA
+--- 115868178
+>>115819199
+>>115868133
+fuck, check those too
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=azv9832uroA [Embed]
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=pCe4k-I6oYc [Embed]
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=aow0Q0EIm38 [Embed]
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=8yCY3WgIUQA [Embed]
+--- 115868212
+>>115819199
+Also check this Pavement. No dream pop feelings inside though
+https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqW1xsMiqApGNsk7Oi2m8WvdgN4UeAm7M
+--- 115868395
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=RqPrzKV2Cfc [Embed]
+One of the best shoegaze songs of all time, that solo (exactly, in a fucking shoegaze song) and the way it progresses into that bass-like wall of sound always give me chills
+--- 115868533
+>>115819199
+Sun Dial - Refecter
+https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTq0WYzxTg24cmwTFdf2s3FktgbKmn_Xa
+--- 115868568
+>>115819199
+Weed - Deserve
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=papQ7OOyqAA&amp;pp=ygUSV2VlZCBkZXNlcnZlIGFsYnVt [Embed]
+--- 115869642
+Regional gaze
+South America > UK > East Asia > US
+--- 115870389
+>>115869642
+>South America
+KEK
+--- 115871652
+>>115810004
+11/10 UK teeth, I'll give her that
+--- 115871752
+>>115809790 (OP)
+>Deftones
+Plz kys
+--- 115871788
+>>115840771
+>Be asian
+>Be trans
+>Be women
+>Be black
+>Omg 10/10
+Rym has gone to complete shit, its so cringe now
+--- 115872204
+>>115809790 (OP)
+who is this anime character in the shoegaze gif
+--- 115872241
+https://youtu.be/ofPx2dQmj_Y [Embed]
+--- 115872273
+>>115872204
+lain
+--- 115872279
+>>115872273
+thanks my man
+--- 115874489
+>>115868568
+Great record, glad to see it in the thread. 'Silent Partner' is the best tune imo
+--- 115876768
+>>115809790 (OP)
+did you take the doomgaze pill yet?
+--- 115877931
+>>115811594
+one of my favorite albums ever
+--- 115878831
+>>115809790 (OP)
+Southpacific - Constance
+--- 115878852
+>>115809790 (OP)
+Bethany Curve - Flaxen
+--- 115879443
+>>115871788
+what are RYM rated 10/10 asian shoegaze record? I have never seen any Asian record rated 10/10 there.
+--- 115879880
+>>115879443
+You missed the point, not necessarily shoegaze, any genre that has trannies or Asians gets overrated all the time. They are all posers who only care about their aesthetics. Shit they even overate videogame soundtracks. Rym community is trash and you know it
+--- 115881406
+>>115876768
+Yes many times and it’s worth it
+--- 115883399
+Where did Sweet Trip go? Did Robby flee the country?
+--- 115883504
+are there any modern shoegaze albums that are as good as the 90s classics? Also anyone got any recommendation similar to Swervedriver and Ride (especially going blank again)? I way prefer those to slowdive and mbv
+--- 115883649
+>>115883504
+>are there any modern shoegaze albums that are as good as the 90s classics?
+Yes
+--- 115885154
+>>115883504
+>and Ride (especially going blank again)
+Though this is some old album.
+--- 115885278
+>>115883399
+I think he’s in Puerto Rico
+--- 115887784
+>>115850577
+This blowin up on zoomer tok frfr
+--- 115891506
+>>115887784
+it is? ive never seen it on tiktok, what song?
+--- 115891515
+>>115854701
+dkfm radio
+--- 115892169
+>>115891515
+They play a lot of shit
+--- 115893522
+>>115887784
+Does it even have any bigger single?
+--- 115893647
+>>115809790 (OP)
+[https://youtu.be/80EiV0kIAG0] [Embed]
+--- 115895346
+>>115810004
+Goddamnit, why does god hate me so. All I want is to get laid and have some casual sex.
+--- 115895361
+>>115809790 (OP)
+more like shoo, gays!
+--- 115895381
+>>115809790 (OP)
+The Boo Radleys
+Drop Ninteens
+The Illys
+Lush
+Swervdriver
+Ride
+Ultra Cindy
+--- 115895404
+>>115854701
+DKFM like people said. Also check these resources >>115855404
+--- 115895717
+>>115809790 (OP)
+Goswell was beautiful, my heart skips a bit every time I see that pic
+>>115809866
+Pretty good too. I'm not into shoegaze but that green album is pretty good, at least when I'm stoned.
+--- 115896406
+>>115820606
+Based zoomer shoegaze enjoyer
+--- 115896419
+>>115896406
+If I'm 26 am I a zoomer or millennial? Always struggle with this lol.
+--- 115896429
+>>115896419
+Moomer
+--- 115897220
+this shit got shilled here the year it dropped, i have to say it's actually good. Not feeling the more recent one. Annoying vocals
+--- 115897484
+https://sweethome2.bandcamp.com/album/advice
+--- 115897530
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=gL9Kh04JKu8&amp;pp=ygUXb2JzZXNzaXZlIGRldm90aW9uIG14ODA%3D [Embed]
+--- 115897795
+>>115897530
+Insane
+--- 115897849
+>>115897530
+now that's some protogaze
+--- 115897863
+surprised this hasn't been posted yet. great record
+--- 115898370
+>>115897220
+i saw knifeplay perform live this era, there was like 8 members they reeked of weed, it seemed like an immanent disaster but I have to say once it got going it was an awesome 20minute set by my recollection , I don't think any of that material is on the bandcamp unfortunately, and I've been trying to keep tabs on the band since 2018 but its all just so inexplicably random, production quality is all over the place, I think the current iteration is yet again an entirely new cast of band members and totally new material, sometimes they are an acoustic band? sometimes theres a female singer I have no idea what is going on with them to be honest.
+--- 115898492
+Do you anons think there is some shoegaze to this or am I crazy?
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTI6D3QoAAU [Embed]
+A part from the vocals of course
+>>115816316
+I like that one
+--- 115899581
+https://youtu.be/SkfigCF7HSY [Embed]
+new and similar to bands mentioned by op
+--- 115900444
+>>115855404
+>Kairon; IRSE!
+neat, Never really listened to them. Hope they are reddit core because they for some reason have King Gizz vibes with shilling
+--- 115900496
+>>115897530
+>>115897849
+1981? Hell yeah you aint kidding
+--- 115900552
+does hip hop ever get into shoegaze territory? What about this? https://soundcloud.com/bear1boss/never-coming-back-alex-jackson
+One of my friends who is really into the soundcloud scene still sent me this
+--- 115900676
+Discovered this band the other month, pretty good for just their first album that released this year.
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=dQRaTfQaWw8 [Embed]
+All these brand nu shoegaze bands are giving me hope for the genre.
+--- 115901258
+Any Malory enjoyers here?
+--- 115902184
+>>115900444
+Their album is free on bandcamp
+--- 115902418
+>>115898492
+Yeah, there are some similarities in their sound. Check this great tune with glide guitar
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=P1HKc1Qug1k&amp;pp=ygUWb25lIGxpY2sgbGVzcyB1bndvdW5kIA%3D%3D [Embed]
+--- 115902527
+>>115900676
+I am dissappointed there's no Lynch on the cover.
+--- 115902898
+>>115810038
+oh i see
+anyways coming back to recommend more lemon &amp; lime
+https://youtu.be/1xh-5AyGu7E [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/TevZDeaAog4 [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/c47QkDl4dgM [Embed]
+also check out a.r. kane, they have a few proto-shoegaze songs you might like
+https://youtu.be/_4pajhHyL-E [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/UF18bkfrZUE [Embed]
+--- 115902942
+>>115809790 (OP)
+>deftones
+>shoegaze
+--- 115903195
+>>115902898
+>check out a.r. kane, they have a few proto-shoegaze songs
+Actually, I've completed all of their discog lately and they have like at least 15-20 different songs that you could put into dream pop/shoegaze/noise pop playlist. The rest is more electronic, synthpop, light psychedelia or experimental. They most shoegaze releases to were "Up Home" and "Lollita" EPs. Second album is strangely more in the vein of earlier stuff than experimental "69". Here are some underrated tracks:
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=hGoA9ChLnj0&amp;pp=ygUZd2hlbiB5b3UncmUgc2FkIGEuci4ga2FuZQ%3D%3D [Embed]
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=4djsd90Jp1I&amp;pp=ygUdQnV0dGVyZmx5IGNvbGxlY3RvciBhLnIuIGthbmU%3D [Embed]
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=hGoA9ChLnj0&amp;pp=ygUZd2hlbiB5b3UncmUgc2FkIGEuci4ga2FuZQ%3D%3D [Embed]
+--- 115903999
+>>115820516
+most realistic comment on 4chan
+--- 115904184
+Still surprises me I never hear Wye Oak talked about here.
+https://youtu.be/rmjMFPSLXI4 [Embed]
+--- 115904643
+>>115901258
+Deutschland’s finest gaze
+--- 115906645
+Bumping w/ more C U R V E
+https://youtu.be/YZrsRnTx-C4 [Embed]
+--- 115908326
+>>115810004
+You retards honestly can't tell that she's not wearing makeup?
+>>115820892
+Me too
+--- 115908552
+>>115903195
+When You're Sad is a great song, the bass on the original version is so insane. I really wish I could get that tone on my bass.
+A.R. Kanes stuff is hit or miss for me, which is expected due to how experimental they were. But of their songs that I do like I like them a lot and they evoke feelings in me that music rarely does
+https://youtu.be/lVu5T1zSETU [Embed]
+--- 115908589
+>>115908552
+Oh also A.R. Kane posted on facebook that remasters are coming. There was also a pic of what looked like a unreleased EP or something? They got fucked by One Little Indian Records a few years ago who wouldn't release the rights to any of the music and i think the copyright just expired.
+--- 115908618
+>>115900444
+Its been a shugazi staple way before you came along zoomer new faggot
+--- 115908635
+Soda Stereo - Dinamo
+--- 115908752
+i miss the shugazi discord server. i dont want to go back to that place again. nothing will ever be the same again. Never even cared if it's fake, pretend.Maybe you can show me what it takes to end forever
+--- 115909427
+Man how I wish every thread on this board was like this, threads like this make me hope that this board will go back to its glory days
+--- 115910685
+>>115819199
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU-YiJG1WJg [Embed]
+The image reflects the sound
+--- 115910748
+Parannoul
+--- 115910790
+>>115810004
+>this is a bongland 10
+--- 115910886
+>>115813733
+good
+--- 115911324
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN7z56WveEc [Embed]
+--- 115912187
+>>115809790 (OP)
+the nightblooms my dude
+bertoia
+burrrrrn
+lilys
+sunny day in glasgow
+kaioin irse's first record
+pinkshinyultrablast
+--- 115912205
+>>115912187
+fucken misspellt this masterpiece
+https://youtu.be/2feinkFlSnk [Embed]
+--- 115914435
+bump
+--- 115915226
+>>115910790
+she's quite cute minus the teeth, so yeah that's definitely a bong 10
+--- 115915813
+>>115860864
+2019 was pretty alright for nugaze
+--- 115915832
+>>115915813
+shoutout the Tijuana Taxi representation, great great record
+--- 115916045
+>>115915832
+new record when. They've been silent as far as I can tell.
+Dobo please come back to us
+--- 115916080
+>>115910790
+this is worldwide 10
+foit me faggit
+--- 115916108
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD9fqHzpgwg [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8XeFE1kLek [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVGBvoT9WxU [Embed]
+yo, have some shoegaze from Poland. Cheers
+There's more, if you are interested lemme know.
+--- 115916290
+I though mu grew out of shugaze, are zoomers bringing it back?
+--- 115916460
+>>115916290
+yes
+--- 115916527
+>>115916290
+new young generations tend to latch onto things perceived as "soft" it seems
+--- 115918162
+>>115809790 (OP)
+>the superior shoegaze album

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+-----
+--- 115823276
+Meat Is Murder > The Queen Is Dead = Strangeways, Here We Come >>>>> The Smiths
+--- 115823319
+Do you think they ever had sex
+--- 115823347
+>>115823319
+Moz is NOT for lewd!
+--- 115823446
+>>115823276 (OP)
+The Smiths = The Queen Is Dead >>>
+Meat Is Murder >>>>>>>>> Strangeways, Here We Come
+--- 115823449
+>>115823276 (OP)
+Fair
+>>115823319
+No, that's why Moz was butthurt
+--- 115823453
+>>115823276 (OP)
+The Smiths > Meat Is Murder > The Queen Is Dead > Strangeways
+--- 115824401
+>>115823446
+>>115823453
+Piss off, contrarian paedos.
+--- 115824760
+>>115823319
+Turned Marr vegan, having anal sex is only slightly less gay than that
+--- 115824782
+>>115823276 (OP)
+Sounds about right. S/T is overrated for sure.
+--- 115824800
+>>115823319
+Nah. I think it mightve been the problem. I read his autobiography and I personally didn't get the vibe they fucked. Who knows though.
+--- 115824812
+>>115824401
+>contrarian
+Strangeways has always been their least popular album, the fuck do you mean contrarian
+--- 115824839
+Meat is Murder>The Queen is Dead>The Smiths>Strangeways
+--- 115824966
+>>115824800
+Morrissey is attracted to skinhead bootboys, not twinks like Marr.
+--- 115825163
+The Smiths > TQID > Strangeways > Meat
+--- 115825310
+>>115824966
+Good point
+--- 115826152
+>>115825163
+Troll post.
+--- 115826163
+I don't listen to albums, I just take the good songs from each album and listen to random on a playlist
+--- 115826185
+>>115826163
+Seeing as how both The Smiths and Morrissey have around 10,000 compilations, Moz probably approves of this.
+--- 115826218
+>>115826185
+I need to show you my Smiths Playlist and let me know if I left anything good out of it
+--- 115826237
+>>115826218
+here
+--- 115826345
+>>115826218
+>>115826237
+Most Smiths songs are great. So yes, you're leaving out dozens of quality songs. Not listening to albums is retarded.
+--- 115827016
+>>115826345
+Indeed. You might as well cram all the Smiths songs in there. Yes, even the radio session alternates. Yes, even the gay covers. Yes, even the single edits.
+--- 115827073
+What's the worst Smiths song /mu/? My vote goes to Frankly, Mr. Shankley
+--- 115829345
+>>115823276 (OP)
+Strangeways > The Smiths > The Queen is Dead >>>>> Meat is Murder
+--- 115829357
+>>115827073
+Probably Golden Lights
+--- 115829832
+>>115823446
+tasteless smartass go fuck yourself x
+--- 115830366
+>>115827073
+Money Changes Everything or The Draize Train
+--- 115830388
+>>115823276 (OP)
+The Smiths = Meat is Murder> Hatful of Hollow> The Queen is Dead>>>>> Strangeways, Here We Come
+--- 115830409
+>>115823276 (OP)
+The Queen is Dead > The Smiths >> Meat is Murder >>>>>>>>>>>>> Strangeways
+--- 115833071
+>>115829345
+>>115830388
+>>115830409
+Check your ears. The first album sounds like ass.
+--- 115833116
+>>115833071
+filtered and wrong
+--- 115833461
+>>115823276 (OP)
+The Smiths >>> The Queen Is Dead > Strangerways, Here We Come = Meat Is Murder
+--- 115833795
+The Queen is Dead = Strangways > The Smiths > Meat is Murder
+--- 115834033
+>>115826237
+for starters you left out their best song
+That Joke Isnt Funny Anymore
+--- 115834262
+>>115823319
+moz was LUSTING over marr bussy and bulge: notice how marr is wearing tighter and tighter pants during this times in the smiths
+--- 115834276
+>>115834262
+>bussy
+Man asshole will never be comparable to pussy, faggot.
+--- 115834329
+>>115823276 (OP)
+Queen > Louder than Bombs > Meat > strangeways> Hatful of Hollow>The Smiths
+--- 115834557
+>>115833071
+>the first album sounds like ass
+Correct. The Hatful of Hollow recordings that came after were better
+--- 115834973
+>>115834033
+It was dark as anon drove the point home.
+--- 115835477
+>>115834276
+Tell me you've never tried prime twink bussy without telling me you've never tried prime twink bussy.
+--- 115835588
+>>115823319
+The last track off the last Smiths album was called "I Won't Share You", and pretty much everybody thinks it's about Johnny Marr. Of course they had sex:
+https://youtu.be/pgpfTP6EB-Q [Embed]
+--- 115836758
+>>115826237
+>no Unloveable
+--- 115836852
+>>115823276 (OP)
+The Queen is Dead = Self Titled > Hatful of Hollow > Meat Is Murder >> Strangeways
+--- 115837407
+>>115835588
+>>115834276
+>>115834262
+>>115824966
+>>115824800
+>>115824760
+>>115823449
+>>115823319
+Maybe the source of all Smiths songs sprang from the fact that Morrissey wished God had made him Angie Marr. (Pic rel)
+Here's a quote from Moz himself from an interview with I-D magazine in June 2003:
+"Why does no-one ever ask if Johnny Marr was in love with me? That he was, perhaps, madly in love with me but didn't feel he could act on that, or lacked the courage to ever take it any further?".
+Morrissey has always given off the spurned lover vibes, Marr the attitude of a closet case who can't believe his big gay fling is still haunting him.
+Morrissey admitted 'Angel, Angel' from Viva Hate was about Johnny, and the lyrics of that are pretty on the nose - 'I love you more than life'. Who calls their straight male friend Angel?
+Then there are other songs like Speedway (Johnny was a speedway operator as a teenager)
+Billy Budd (based on a novel with a main character called John Maher - Marr's birth name - who gets into a gay love affair)
+and Swallow on my neck, which he wrote shortly after Johnny got a tattoo of a swallow on his neck...
+There are others... the main characters in the novel he wrote, List of the Lost, resemble Marr and his wife Angie, right down to their physical descriptions. And both characters are pined over by a very Morrissey-like character who later dies of his obsession for them.
+My own personal opinion is that its all bullshit
+and Morrissey created this big gay 'did they or didn't they' drama as part of the band's mythology, Morrissey has always been very calculating when it comes to his public persona
+It's all very odd, he speaks more highly of Johnny's wife than anyone else in his autobiography.
+--- 115837414
+Self-titled is just bad. "Pasty and thin [...] a blunted thud", to quote Morrissey himself.
+>Pretty Girls Make Graves
+>The Hand That Rocks the Cradle
+>I Don't Owe You Anything
+>Suffer Little Children
+are all bottom-tier Smiths songs: sluggish, aimless and interchangeable. Miserable Lie starts out like this as well, but finds itself stuck in a transitional passage with no way out. Hand in Glove is unnecessarily defanged. Still Ill and What Difference Does It Make? are found in far superior versions on Hatful (issued because of the band's mortification over their debut LP), and Reel Around the Fountain already got its definitive reading during the Troy Tate sessions.
+All in all, the only decent thing this specific disc has is You've Got Everything Now. The Hatful singles and Meat Is Murder were giant leaps forward.
+--- 115837455
+>>115837414
+>>Pretty Girls Make Graves
+>>The Hand That Rocks the Cradle
+>>I Don't Owe You Anything
+>>Suffer Little Children
+>are all bottom-tier Smiths songs
+Just admit you have shit taste. Morrissey's contention with the album was the production, never the song quality. All of the songs you mentioned feature not only some of Morrissey's best ever lyrics, but also the most beautiful guitar sound Marr ever put to record.
+--- 115837483
+>>115837414
+woah woah woah say what you will but leave suffer little children out of it
+--- 115837484
+>>115837407
+Congratulations on being the only person on the planet who has read List of the Lost.
+With all the context in your post, it's funny that Marr turned into a lesbian wine aunt and Morrissey into a bricklayer.
+--- 115837564
+Sing me to sleep
+Sing me to sleep
+I'm tired and I
+I want to go to bed
+Sing me to sleep
+Sing me to sleep
+And then leave me alone
+Don't try to wake me in the morning
+'Cause I will be gone
+Don't feel bad for me
+I want you to know
+Deep in the cell of my heart
+I will feel so glad to go
+Sing me to sleep
+Sing me to sleep
+I don't want to wake up on my own anymore
+Sing to me
+Sing to me
+I don't want to wake up on my own anymore
+Don't feel bad for me
+I want you to know
+Deep in the cell of my heart
+I really want to go
+There is another world
+There is a better world
+Well, there must be
+Well, there must be
+Well, there must be
+Well, there must be
+Bye
+Bye
+Bye
+Bye, hmm
+--- 115837565
+>>115837455
+Songs are made out of more than lyrics and "guitar sound" (lol). Those lone elements matter very little when the tunes aren't there. The few Smiths songs that actually give their critics right re: bedroom crywankery.
+--- 115837750
+>>115837484
+They're both from the same part of Ireland as my parents (Marr's from south Kildare, Morrisey from Naas in North Kildare) so my autistic info dumping comes mostly just from a misplaced sense of national pride. The only other musician we produced was Damien fuckin' Rice!
+I enjoyed LOTL. In fact I loved it. Which probably makes me certifiable.
+I assumed he was taking the piss out of the entire publishing industry, laying out his own bizaare political manifesto, and writing an overvlown biography of the Smiths disguised as a Sci fi novel for losers like me who like to read too much into his lyrics (Morrissey was a relay runner at school, Marr runs marathons - how coindlcidental that all the protagonists are runners!) all while poking fun at himself at the same time.
+But, like everyone with Kildare genetics, he could just be pretending to be absolutely batshit mentally insane for the craic, whilst actually being batshit insane
+--- 115837755
+>>115837565
+The tunes are there, because again, they're some of Marr's finest compositions. Now stop embarrassing yourself.
+--- 115838038
+>>115837455
+those songs are tge only ones Morrissey wrote with no plagiarism, and they read like sixth form poetry, lyrically (in fact they probably date from Morrissey's sixth form A level English creative writing lessons).
+They're flat and awkward.
+The best songs on that album borrow heavily from Shelagh Delaney's Taste of Honey and Eliabeth Smart's Grand Central Station - pick up either of their works and you'll find lines literally cut and pasted into the song lyrics,as well as themes, moods etc.
+The most obvious is this charming man, I would go out tonight... stich to wear' is a direct quote from Honey
+'I dreamt about you last night, and I fell out of bed twice' is again from taste of honey
+Pin and mount me like a butterfly is from Twrrance Stamp's film The Butterfly collector
+There are loads more on MIM, the Headmaster rituals grab and devour line is lifted from Smart
+There's a few Smart plagiarisms on QID - 'I know it's over, still I cling...' is a direct lift, as is the soil line.
+That's what Cemertry Gates is about - Morrissey dragging himself for his own tendency to plagarise
+Morrisey and Marr were both magpies, why people argue over their contributions is beyond me when they borrowed so heavily from others
+--- 115838103
+>>115838038
+* I should add that Morrisey admitted to borrowing from both writers (and plenty other influences) in contemporary interviews . But it explains why his style changed so rapidly from Strangeways onwards- he unchained himself from the feminist literature he was reading and found his own voice.
+--- 115838393
+>>115837755
+>The tunes are there
+lol
+They're plodding turds. Any contemporary anorak band of bedwetters could've recorded songs of similar quality. Strangely, the superlative Back to the Old House and This Night Has Opened My Eyes both date from this period as well, so The Smiths weren't incapable of writing gently paced and atmospheric material. They just decided to put all the crap ones on the most hotly anticipated debut album of the '80s.
+--- 115838501
+>>115838393
+You just have shit for ears. The studio version of Back to the Old House is far more "plodding" than any of the other songs.
+--- 115838899
+>>115838501
+The hits just keep coming.
+Back to the Old House has a clear Moz vocal and a nice committed swing and points toward future career highlights like That Joke or I Know It's Over. Graves/Cradle/Owe You/Suffer are undistinguished and indistinguishable, mid-tempo nothings.
+--- 115838962
+>>115837750
+Well, you (and a morrissey-solo post) have finally convinced me to read LOTL. The initial reception was absolutely savage, but I've come to believe that after his various controversies anything Morrissey writes will be treated only to hatchet jobs and not serious literary consideration.
+--- 115838995
+>>115837407
+what the hell did moz see in him, he looks like a nerd
+--- 115839254
+>>115838899
+How does
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laXY5e5JaV0 [Embed]
+have clearer vocals and more "swing" than
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGl7g_a5YLA [Embed]
+?
+Have you even listened to these songs?
+--- 115839369
+>>115838995
+Marr was the only Smith (or perhaps overall musician) that Morrissey ever saw as his equal, and the admiration stemmed from Marr being the complete opposite personality-wise. It was Marr that knocked on Morrissey's door and asked him to form a band, who set up rehearsals, who went out and found members. He breathlessly spread the Smiths gospel around Manchester and elsewhere and didn't shy away from conflicts with promoters and record company people, whereas Morrissey's preferred confrontation tactic was to quietly acquiesce and then stew in anger. Add the younger Marr's insane guitar/writing/arrangement skills and it's no wonder. Just imagine having fresh Marr tapes -- fully-formed songs -- dropped in the mailbox on a regular basis. Manna from heaven. Morrissey is the luckiest man in music.
+Marr was a bit of a nerd, but the good type. Many Smiths compositions came from his desire to combine highly specific influences or trying out unorthodox studio/amp/pedal techniques, relinquishing control and seeing if mistakes could lead to something interesting, yet he was never tediously "challenging" in that British antagonistic post-punk manner (which would have been so easy). Great guy.
+--- 115840346
+>>115823276 (OP)
+It sucks being hererosexual knowing I will never experience true love like this, since all women are vapid whores.
+--- 115842102
+and so is OP
+--- 115843011
+>>115823276 (OP)
+If I tell people I like The Smiths will they think im a faggot or a nazi incel chud (I am one)?
+--- 115843461
+>>115826237
+Unloveable is missing
+--- 115843473
+>>115837414
+Suffer Little Children is one of their best songs though
+--- 115845407
+>>115843011
+They'll assume you're a racist mexican
+--- 115845411
+>>115823276 (OP)
+the smiths > the queen is dead > strangeways >>>>> meat is murder
+--- 115845721
+>>115838995
+He was cute, if you're into translucent 14 year old Irish lesbians. And he's aged very well, he just looks like an older version of his 1980s self.
+Morrissey loves contradictions - skinheads in nail polish.
+And here was this working class council estate gobshite (Wythenshaw is rough), with a criminal conviction for handling stolen goods, who is ambitious and pushy and driven, loves alcohol, does drugs, parties... but has a hidden side, and is also a massive nerd with an encyclopedic fondness for black American girl pop groups, wearing eyeliner and backcombing his hair.
+Morrissey was absolutely obsessed with him. But I don't believe it was sexual/lust driven. Morrissey is your classic emotional Irishman. We really are deeper feelers than Bongs, no offence to ya. Its why we drink.
+They love each other deep down, but Morrissey seems very sensitive to criticism from Johnny, other people's attacks just bounce off him but Johnny makes a cheeky Dorrissey joke to a British journalist and Morrissey's penning catty open letters like a scorned teenage girl. That's true, abiding love right there.
+Morrissey also loves mythology and high drama. A lot of their public 'spat' is just Gallagher-brother spin and high jinks.
+(He still clearly follows every bit of media promo Marr does, which is quite comical)
+--- 115845858
+>>115838962
+It's the total opposite of Autobiography, to the point where its so badly written - but with some great stylistic flourishes and silly puns - that you know he was sticking two fingers up to the success of that book.
+It's a short read, only a little over a 100 pages but you'll need some high quality opiates to stem the nuclear migrane you're gonna have, the paragraphs tend to wind and collapse in on themselves to the point it takes an hour to read one page
+Don't read it as high literature, read it as Morrissey ranting at you over a few pints in the pub! Every single character is Morrissey, in one way or another. They're all just mouthpeices.
+It retreads a lot of the same ground re politics, sexuality, women as the first 2 smiths albums. There's a section on sex that is a close prose retelling of Pretty Girls Make Graves
+There's a fair bit of misogyny in it, the usual 'women are children, straight men are misguided, gay male relationships are superior' stuff.
+Its basically a /pol pamphlet, taken to its hyperbolic extreme
+--- 115845870
+Post ONE Smiths song with a catchy pop melody. You literally can't
+--- 115846012
+>>115827073
+It's Miserable Lie and it's not even close, actually painful to listen to near the end but I finish it every time because I refuse to skip a track.
+--- 115846016
+>>115837414
+Did Morrissey stretch George Michael's hole?
+--- 115846025
+>>115833071
+Is there a remaster that doesn't sound like it was recorded in a tin can?
+--- 115846673
+>>115846016
+No. Impossibile. The original name for Unloveable was
+>George Michael's unstretchable
+--- 115848778
+>>115846016
+George is obviously the alpha here. Wham! goes the wang.
+>>115846025
+No. The album's issues can't be mastered away. It was poorly recorded and poorly mixed, and around half of it is meandering filler. It's also Morrissey at his least confident, which is why he disappears into a Stipe-like muddle at times. Later Moz could save slapdash songs with a passionate vocal and lyric, but here he is lost and helpless.
+--- 115848858
+>>115848778
+GM liked pitching AND catching.
+--- 115848972
+>>115846016
+You guys know irishmen have, on average, the smallest penises in Europe? That's why they drink!
+(Morrissey is a total bossy bottom)
+--- 115849117
+>>115845870
+The one that has 80+ million youtube views and hundreds of millions of streams?
+You know, the one that every person who was living in England in the 1980s immediately thinks of when you mention the band, 'cos they performed it on TV for the 8 million people who tuned into top of the pops on the bbc every sunday night?
+You know, the one about bumsex!
+(Ask is pretty catchy, too)
+--- 115850697
+Food in mouth
+The grease shines bright upon my hands
+No, it's not like any other meal
+This one is different because it's fat
+Food in mouth
+We can eat whatever we please
+And everything depends upon
+How gluttonous we are
+And if the people stare, then the people stare
+Oh, I really must eat and i really must drink
+--- 115851464
+>>115839369
+>>115845721
+thanks based smiths historians
+--- 115851552
+>>115823276 (OP)
+Why is it that the top always seems gayer than the bottom?
+--- 115852782
+>>115845870
+Post ONE Smiths song without a catchy pop melody. You literally can't
+--- 115852998
+>>115846016
+I don't think Morrissey would've been the one stretching.
+--- 115853668
+>>115851552
+It takes a queen to snare a kang, ladies!
+Marr had that awful period in the early 90s where he shaved his hair off and tried to dress in that baggy Madchester/Noel Gallagher style, while Morrissey was busy camping it up in those awful mesh vests...
+... so I think that's just driven your point home
+But for some reason, assuming they fooled around at all, I always thought Marr seemed like the type who'd let Morrissey suck him off in a hotel room or his car when he was drunk, but never returned the favour.
+And Morrissey enjoyed that dynamic in private, while being the obvious leader in public, and that was the basis for all the big gay lyrical dramatics - he got close to Johnny, but not close enough
+--- 115853856
+>>115852998
+Given old George's fondness for gimp masks and Morrissey's love of leather, who knows
+I saw George playing with his hair like a coy 14 year old girl while Morrissey was rambling on in that video... somebody definately made a pass in the green room afterwards
+Didn't Morrissey have a fling with Pete Burns of dead or alive?
+--- 115853908
+>>115851464
+There's 2 band biographies - The Severed Alliance and A Light That Never Goes Out - that are worth taking a look at, as well as Marr's autobiography.
+Morrissey's autobiography is very entertaining but gives very little Smiths info relative to the amount of time he spends bloviating about court cases and Polish chart positions.
+Happy reading!
+--- 115853967
+>>115853908
+Thoughts on Goddard?
+--- 115855024
+why does moz have spastic handwriting
+--- 115856723
+>>115853856
+lmao
+--- 115857209
+I Don't Owe You Anything is THE best Smiths song. I will DIE on that hill.
+--- 115857318
+>>115857209
+Ghastly song. Bottom 5 material.
+--- 115857338
+>>115857318
+You could not be more wrong. It has the best melody and groove of any smith song.
+--- 115857461
+>>115851552
+Some Tops Are Gayer Than Bottoms
+--- 115858027
+>>115855024
+it's a sign of intelligence
+--- 115858226
+>>115857318
+It’s one of his best vocal performances lol
+--- 115858998
+>>115855024
+It's an affectation. His normal writing is square and neat.
+--- 115860792
+>>115856723
+Who topped?
+--- 115860875
+>>115857461
+lol good one
+--- 115861609
+>>115860875
+Explains why everyone on here has a permenant boner for this guy.
+Smiths era Moz was like the rockstar of every 19-year old pretentious, sexually confused, turbo-autistic obscure music-obsessed NEET's dreams.
+He's beyond satire. Literally a comically exaggerated version /mu made manifest.
+--- 115861653
+>>115861609
+This is the funniest fucking thing I've ever read. Is this his memoir or something?
+--- 115861702
+>>115861653
+Yes. That's one of the (many) highlights, but it actually reads like that all the way.
+--- 115861839
+>>115861702
+It almost reminds me of how American Psycho was written. Imagine a movie like that, all through Moz's perspective.
+--- 115862424
+>>115861839
+Instead of murder, every interaction ends with Morrissey crawling under the staircase and furiously rocking back and forth as he pens a poison letter.
+("I have to return some videotapes" -> "I have to buy some postage stamps")
+--- 115862439
+>>115823276 (OP)
+And they're all below 4/10
+--- 115862551
+>>115862439
+Name your top three bands.
+--- 115862854
+>>115861653
+It does drag in places but the first 1/3 is endlessly quotable.
+Its also very exposing. He puts all his neurosis out there.
+His affection for working class people is evident, even as he struggles with the shame of growing up in poverty, struggles with his ethnic and sexual identity, resents his parents for not being middle class enough to afford him the life he wants, and develops a superiority compelx to deal with the suffocating prison that is the British social class system
+It should be required reading for teenage boys and anyone struggling with 'incel' shaming. He criticises straight male culture and its habit of placing pursuit of sex above personal development for young boys, especially working class ones.
+It's not a marker of masculinity and often leads to you hating women, vs actually realising you're better off keeping your virginity until you've matured enough to identify the decent ones. He regrets there being no civil rights movement for straight men (and tomboys)
+The tributes to his two childhood best friends - both of whom died when he was 16 - are very moving. One, a girl who developed sudden, aggressive cancer was the girl Ouija Board was based on.
+As fluffy and throwaway a single as that song was, I've always thought it was one of his best. Sweet and sad.
+--- 115863013
+>>115823276 (OP)
+The Smiths > Meat is Murder = The Queen is Dead > Strangeways
+--- 115863031
+>>115860792
+Is Morrissey geberqlly a top or a bottom?
+--- 115863099
+>>115861839
+>>115862424
+Check out the penpal letters he exchanged as a teenager with a guy called Robert Mackie.
+A quick Google will turn up most of them, I think the guy published them online somewhere
+Sexualising his older sister, autistic David Bowie discography rants, corny pick up lines, bad taste jokes, casual racist banter, self deprecation, requests for free pornography / nudes
+They're great fun and you can see the persona-building in them, something he never quite carried over into his music. He's a better writer than lyricist
+He should've tried his hand at sitcom or scriptwriting under a pseudonym, as anon above astutely points out, he's got that Brett Easton Ellis knack for satirising people (and himself)
+--- 115863678
+>>115861609
+>Geoff [Travis] had approached me after Meat is Murder had entered at number 1, and he leaked a little touch of sentiment that almost verged on the human as he said, ‘I’ve dreamt of this happening all of my life,’ which seemed to me to be unlikely, since Rough Trade had never even remotely been in the running for a number 1 album, and with this gush of acknowledgement Geoff handed me a bag of biscuits bearing a 2 pounds and 75 pence sticker still affixed. I gave no answer. How could there be one? I assumed and hoped I was mid-dream.
+--- 115863864
+>>115823276 (OP)
+">>>>> The Smiths"
+Shine
+--- 115865925
+>>115863099
+>He's a better writer than lyricist
+What do you mean?
+--- 115867362
+louder > hatful > smiths > queen > world > meat > strangeways > rank
+--- 115867766
+>>115865925
+Writing words to a song and writing words for the sake of words are two different forms of art. It's like how (in my opinion) Henry Rollins' books can be more interesting than his lyrics, because he doesn't have to conform to a song, he can just go wherever he wants.
+--- 115868300
+>>115867766
+Two gruelling books and some cheeky letters trump the entire Smiths + solo output?
+--- 115868574
+>>115867766
+>Henry Rollins
+>interesting
+--- 115869646
+>>115868574
+--- 115870337
+>>115860792
+>In Too Deep #14
+>That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore #49
+Stretch out and wait, Steven...
+--- 115870598
+>>115862424
+The image of this seriously geeked me
+--- 115871101
+Morrissey just fired Alain!
+And replaced him with a nu-metal/industrial/blues rock dyke!
+She's the blond.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaDAfcdKaNA [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWxKVnVgobY [Embed]
+GOD AWFUL GARBAGE.
+--- 115871129
+>>115871101
+My guess is Alain had a problem with playing in Israel. But yeah, this sucks. Nobody wants a woman in Morrissey's band.
+--- 115871398
+>>115871101
+never expected anything good out of him anyway, bonfire was a pleasant surprise, makes no difference at this point if he makes lesbian korn now
+--- 115873704
+>>115871398
+He loves lesbians and has always had a boner for stronk 1st wave feminist dykes. His actual lifelong best and closest friend is a woman (Linder Sterling), so why is this a surprise? A lot of n00bs and Andrew Tate fans in here.
+Based Moz, eternally pissing off just about everybody
+--- 115873771
+>>115868300
+Once upon a time, before the collective IQ of the West dropped 3 standard deviations below that of the average dog turd, writing was a higher and worthier pursuit than music. Even a bad novel takes more effort to write than a bunch of lyrics (and most of Morrissey's early lyrics were inspired or even directly lifted from whatever feminist poetry he was reading at the time)
+--- 115874380
+>>115871129
+What's with Morrissey's big boner for Israel anyway?
+--- 115875509
+>>115874380
+They're the only people (apart from Mexicans) who are gay enough and midwit enough to be impressed by the histrionicrantings of a 60-something year old teenage narcissist.
+--- 115875897
+>>115874380
+I think he just hates Muslims desu
+--- 115876261
+>>115871129
+>Alain had a problem with playing in Israel.
+why would he have a problem with that?
+--- 115876338
+>>115862424
+top kek i can imagine such a scene
+--- 115876373
+>>115875509
+morrisseys face when he read your post
+--- 115876411
+>>115855024
+Damn he’s just like me Fr fr
+--- 115876449
+POST MORE MORRISSEY LORE I DEMAND IT
+--- 115876458
+>>115876373
+morrissey just canceled his entire july tour and demands a printed apology in the sunday times
+--- 115876485
+>>115876458
+>its a bit chilly
+>cancels the entire show after only 20 minutes
+--- 115877093
+>>115876449
+>One day during five-a-side, I flip forwards and crash down on my right hand. This stirs a blip of compassion from Mr Sweeney, who then takes me into his private office, whereupon he proceeds to massage my wrist with anti-inflammatory cream. At 14, I understand the meaning of the unnecessarily slow and sensual strokes, with eyes fixed to mine, and I look away, and the moment passes. Shortly thereafter, drying myself off after a shower, Mr Sweeney leans into my mid-region to ask, ‘What’s that scar down your stomach, Steven?’ – but his eyes are lower, and these are the moments that cause you to check certain words in dictionaries, and for the first time you are forced to consider yourself to be the prize, or the quarry.
+--- 115877462
+>>115876449
+Morissey once claimed that The Smiths broke up because Johnny Marr, who owned 2 Alsatians, insulted Morrissey's pet cat Tibby.
+Morrissey, naturally, responded by including a song called Alsatian Cousin on his debut solo album the following year. (British slang for an ugly slag)
+Also, sometime in the early 2010s, Johnny got a tattoo of a swallow on his neck, and posted videos on his Instagram where he gargled mouthwash to show it off.
+Video was captioned 'some gargles are bigger than others'.
+Morrissey, unsurprisingly, had once written a song called 'A swallow on my neck'.... about prison tattoos.
+I could go on for years, the entire legacy of this band now boils down to Johnny periodically posting photos of himself in various states of undress like a 60 year old cocktease, and tagging them so Morrissey's social media admin will see.
+That's it. 40 years since their first single - which festured a naked gay model's arse on the vinyl cover sleeve - and the entire lore is still buttsex, butthurt and (dreams of) more buttsex.
+--- 115877738
+>>115877093
+Funny thing is, that abdominal scar - which is pretty noticeable even nowadays - didnt show up until the 90s, where you can clearly see it in the live shows and photography.
+There's no scar visible during the smiths era, and it would be pretty obvious as he was always posing topless.
+--- 115877788
+>>115877738
+you can see it here >>115876142 →
+--- 115877849
+>>115877093
+That pretty much sums up the twisted grooming mentality of fags.
+'I wasn't a victim of a 40 year old man with unnatural pederast urges, I was the prize - and if it happens to you, you should be flattered too.'
+Now I understand why he defended Kevin Spacey like his life depended on it.
+--- 115877863
+>>115826237
+>his smiths playlist isnt just what she said and barbarism begins at home on repeat
+--- 115877879
+>>115877863
+>his smiths playlist isnt just barbarism begins at home on repeat
+--- 115877981
+>>115876485
+>Overhears a member of the crowd muttering a mild criticism
+>Cancels the entire tour
+--- 115878018
+>>115877981
+>plays videos of animals being brutally slaughtered without warning to audiences on his 2000s tours
+>cries and storms off when one cheeky lad throws a steak at him and it hits him square on the head
+--- 115878237
+>>115878018
+>Fan gets seen eating a burger outside the venue
+>Retires from music out of outrage
+--- 115878253
+>>115877981
+>suddenly remembers the man he once saw eat a hot dog on a blackpool pier in 1966
+>goes into hiding for five years
+--- 115880321
+>>115878018
+Almost as if peaceful protest is different from physical assault.
+--- 115880539
+>>115880321
+Big difference between peaceful protest and showing long videos of literal beheading and disembowelment to a bunch of fans unforewarned (including under 14s), who just came out for a good night and had no idea what was about to happen
+I mean the guy spends 40 years wishing death and destruction on every single fat person he meets, then has a mental breakdown and threatens to sue when The Simpsons draws him with a beer gut.
+You're probably a fellow PETA fag with no sense of perspective, who fantasises about throwing acid over anyone who refuses to eat ze veganburgers
+--- 115880613
+>>115880539
+>Big difference between peaceful protest and showing long videos of literal beheading and disembowelment to a bunch of fans unforewarned (including under 14s), who just came out for a good night and had no idea what was about to happen
+No there isn't. Just because you show graphic material doesn't mean you aren't peacefully protesting. And if you don't want to see it, you can leave or not attend in the first place. (I knew Morrissey played graphic footage before I ever attended a concert of his.)
+>I mean the guy spends 40 years wishing death and destruction on every single fat person he meets
+This never happened.
+>then has a mental breakdown and threatens to sue when The Simpsons draws him with a beer gut.
+He didn't have a mental breakdown, and he explicitly said he wouldn't sue them, as he doesn't have the necessary funds. And he wouldn't have sued them for making him fat, he would have done so for eating meat, which is defamation of character.
+>You're probably a fellow PETA fag with no sense of perspective, who fantasises about throwing acid over anyone who refuses to eat ze veganburgers
+The only fag here is you, buddy. Go back to plebbit with that spacing.
+--- 115881673
+>>115873704
+/mu/fags celebrate Morrissey as a proto-incel who hates women, but I seriously doubt any misogynist would sing this https://youtu.be/jpXeuADL7nE [Embed] . People read that he is a racist and then assume he is everything else right-wing, but his politics are mostly incongruous and not worth trying to understand unless you're a Smiths autist. Most of what he says is mere provocation
+--- 115881679
+>>115823276 (OP)
+This thread is still up? Dude what the fuck I remember replying on Monday
+--- 115881776
+>>115881679
+The story is old... but it goes on...
+--- 115881904
+>>115881673
+I like him because he's also a narcissist.
+--- 115881963
+>>115823319
+>>115835588
+I believe they were virgins. Moz has said they were in love but not sexually. I'm sure something weirder than gay sex was going on between them but I'm glad it happened because we got some of my favorite music
+>>115823276 (OP)
+Strangeways > S/T > QiD = MiM > HoH
+S/T is underrated, Strangeways is best when it clicks but it's their hardest album
+--- 115882276
+>>115880539
+>came out for a good night
+heh
+--- 115882339
+I just really really like him
+he's the only guy I know who can make a song out of going to the shops with your granny
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge72JjmpWto [Embed]
+--- 115882362
+AND IF A DOUBLE WHOPPER'S CHEAP
+THAT'S WHAT I WILL EAT
+TO TASTE A BURGER
+IS SUCH A HEAVENLY THING TO ME
+AND THEN A TEN TON PLATE
+FILLED WITH FISH AND CHIPS
+TO EAT BY YOUR SIDE
+WELL THE PLEASURE THE PRIVILEGE IS MINE
+--- 115883964
+so what's your favourite solo album?
+for me it's pic
+--- 115883981
+>>115882339
+Yeah he was great in the 80s and then something happened
+--- 115884325
+>>115883981
+He never stopped being great, retard.
+--- 115884443
+>>115884325
+I think he never recovered completely from Marr rejecting him and it affected his artistic output. Not saying he's been horrible but he has certainly never touched the peaks of his work with the smiths.
+--- 115884499
+>>115884443
+Yes he did, you've just never listened to his solo discography.
+--- 115885483
+>>115884443
+--- 115887675
+>>115883964
+I realized the other day that Your Arsenal is all bangers, front to back. What an album.
+--- 115888090
+>>115875509
+mehmet pls
+--- 115890973
+>>115883964
+Southpaw
+--- 115891593
+>>115884443
+>>115884499
+He was at his best when the songs were full of that mix of sardonic wit, vulnerability and sassy defiance that was matched by the noodling arpeggio wizard shit Johnny was doing.
+With more open collaboration it feels like he could've done some real unique shit over his career, he was the biggest indie star of his generation FFS, but the rigidity, paranoia, control issues and disinclination to trust people probably pushed away a lot of potential partners
+He should be playing massive concert halls to younger audiences who are discovering the back catalogue, and instead he's trawling around 2,000 seater venues and flushing his recording career down the toilet while Kate bloody Bush gets a career resurgence
+--- 115892019
+>>115884325
+'Generation X, X Ray Specs'
+'Wolf down t bone steak cancer heart attack'
+Yeah, fucking Poet Laureat winning lyrics right there.
+He lost what made him great, summing up shit in one liners/distilling other people's experiences or literature down into snappy couplets.
+Happens to everyone. Its just comical to hear the fanboys defending his every bowel movement as if it was a stone tablet from God
+--- 115892203
+>>115885483
+In any perfectly objective and fair assessment of his career, early 90s, full blown camp, mincing, autistic flailing, hip swivelling, gold lame wearing Morrissey was peak Morrissey
+--- 115892480
+>>115883964
+Vauxhall And I
+--- 115892956
+>>115892203
+--- 115893442
+>>115892019
+I think those fanboys are few and far between compared to how it used to be. Most fans seem pissed with Morrissey these days, and his last decade or so of far-right flirting and inexplicable career choices has sent many (even the most devoted) on their way toward safer and more politically correct pastures. I am honestly worried about his legacy at this point.
+--- 115893541
+>>115891593
+>He was at his best when the songs were full of that mix of sardonic wit, vulnerability and sassy defiance
+That never went away.
+>that was matched by the noodling arpeggio wizard shit Johnny was doing
+Johnny is a fine guitarist, but Morrissey has worked with plenty of other fine guitarists, all of whom have composed better music than Marr over the past 35 years.
+>>115892019
+>'Generation X, X Ray Specs'
+It's Spex* and they're both punk bands Morrissey enjoyed who fit into the narrative of underappreciated rebels. Sorry you don't know anything about music.
+>'Wolf down t bone steak cancer heart attack'
+You're butchering the lyrics again, but admittedly I'm Not a Man isn't his best song lyrically, even if it's a well composed song that's performed very well. However, on the same album, you have Mountjoy, Smiler with Knife, Istanbul, World Peace Is None of Your Business, Staircase at the University and Oboe Concerto, all of which are great lyrically and or retain Morrissey's classic sense of humor. And we can easily point to below average Smiths songs lyrically, like Death at One's Elbow or Unhappy Birthday.
+--- 115894704
+>>115823276 (OP)
+Holy shit, why the fuck is this thread still up?
+--- 115894768
+>>115894704
+>YOU'RE NOT RIGHT IN THE HEAD
+>BUT NOR AM I
+>AND THIS IS WHY
+>THIS IS WHY I LIKE YOU
+>I LIKE YOU
+>I LIKE YOU
+>THIS IS WHY I LIKE YOU-I LIKE YOU-I LIKE YOU
+>I LIKE YOU
+--- 115895035
+>>115894704
+Because people are talking about Morrissey and The Smiths. Are you dense, son?
+--- 115895512
+>>115894704
+The more you ignore him, the longer his threads get
+--- 115896373
+Morrissey is in the same position that Axl Rose once found himself in. Marr, Boz and Alain are gone, leaving Moz the only senior in whatever constellation he lords over at the moment. He has his boneheaded nephew and some deranged superfan in charge of his press inquiries and website, which alternates between looking like a Daily Wire RSS feed and a fanart subreddit. It's a shitshow.
+The thing is that these megalomaniacs need foils, and in most cases a record company man breathing down their necks. Axl hired his Brazilian housekeeeper to be his manager, cancelled tours on a whim and dicked around and spent thirteen million bucks and as many years on his faux GN'R vanity album. He had clearly lost the plot, but there was no one around to tell him. In the end, he did the right thing and reunited.
+Unlike Rose, Morrissey is still writing and recording (mostly) decent music, but has burned every last bridge in the biz. You can be a one-man operation if you're a humble guy like Phil "My Wife" Elverum, but not if you're acting like are Mozzer, who craves gold plated rekkids and conspicuous label logos on his product.
+It might actually be owari this time.
+--- 115896611
+>>115835588
+>>115837407
+>>115837414
+>>115837750
+>>115838038
+>>115838393
+>>115839369
+>>115845721
+>>115845858
+>>115848972
+>>115849117
+>>115850697
+>>115853668
+>>115853856
+>>115861609
+>>115862424
+>>115862854
+>>115863099
+>>115871101
+>>115873704
+>>115877462
+>>115877738
+>>115877849
+>>115880539
+>>115882362
+>>115891593
+>>115892019
+>>115896373
+You're obviously deranged and clearly don't belong here.
+--- 115896817
+>>115880539
+>long videos of literal beheading and disembowelment to a bunch of fans unforewarned (including under 14s)
+God forbid people know where their food comes from
+--- 115896904
+>>115896373
+Of course it's not over, he's still able to shift gig tickets. He could announce a concert in Mexico tomorrow and sell it out.
+The source of all his weird behaviour is rejection.
+He has a love/hate relationship with Manchester.
+Being big in the States isn't enough, he wanted to be the Bard of Bowden with murals around his hometown, and his songs sung at football matches, to piss off all his childhood enemies. Alas, the Gallagher brothers/Stone Roses took that throne.
+He's exactly where he wants to be - sitting on a fat pile of money, creating fake drama because it feeds into that outsider persona he created.
+He also enjoys upsetting people (as if that wasn't already obvious) and then sitting back, scrolling through the twitter outrage that accompanies every cancelled gig or cheeky comment, and chuckling.
+He has so much money (and so few obligations, only his sister and nephews to support) that he can afford to suit himself forever.
+He's doing absolutely fine!
+--- 115897036
+>>115896817
+Real men don't give a shite where their meat comes from or how it was treated. Farm animals are livestock, they're not sentient beings.
+That's why the West is dead, and the Chinese and Middle East are laughing at your mad old cat lady 'animal rights' nonsense as they slowly devour what remains of your Civilisation.
+--- 115897983
+>>115897036
+>That's why the West is dead
+That escalated quickly.
+--- 115898383
+>>115897036
+>they're not sentient beings.
+Please learn what sentient means, retard.
+--- 115898525
+>>115823276 (OP)
+Dreadful opinion.
+--- 115898535
+>>115823276 (OP)
+record for longest lasting thread
+--- 115898885
+>>115898525
+Albeit the correct one.
+--- 115899269
+>>115823276 (OP)
+The best British band of the 1980s without peer.
+The Smiths were the epitome of indie rock, a term that they practically invented. They were the antithesis of the mainstream, the rebels who dared to be different, the outsiders who spoke for the alienated and the misunderstood. They were the voice of a generation, a generation that grew up in the bleak and oppressive Thatcher era.
+--- 115899350
+>>115899269
+is this chatgpt
+--- 115899406
+>>115899350
+I think every publicly available 'AI' service just gives a generic
+"MORRISSEY BAD
+JOHNNY MARR GOOD"
+response
+--- 115901637
+>>115896904
+So he's probably getting some perverse pleasure out of holding back his new records as well, yeah?
+The outsider pose worked all the way up until his comeback with Quarry, even through the "Morrissey is a racist" shit that the NME were slinging.
+Now he's just another grandpa blabbering on about the woke mind virus. It's quite sad that he apparently doesn't realize how unoriginal he sounds, which should be cause for concern in Moz-world, but I guess we all lose touch somewhere along the line. Is his webmaster nephew a crypto-chud?
+--- 115901726
+>>115898885
+Yeah, nothing on QID matches the funky opening of MIM
+--- 115901781
+>>115899406
+Why not both :-(
+(Marr was hotter though)
+--- 115901824
+>>115901637
+No artist's legacy is complete without a lost album or two!
+Why is everyone so butthurt about this? It's his life to wreck his own way, leave the poor old gobshite alone!
+--- 115903132
+>>115901824
+I just want to see the boy happy...
+--- 115904738
+>>115901781
+morrissey set him up for this right
+--- 115904790
+>>115823276 (OP)
+The thread when Bowie died wasn't up for as long as this one.
+--- 115904798
+>>115823276 (OP)
+lol bro this thread gonna be here for a week
+--- 115904838
+>>115883964
+--- 115904990
+>>115823276 (OP)
+Where do I begin with Morrissey?
+--- 115905020
+>>115904990
+for his Smiths stuff: Hatful of Hollow
+for solo: Bona Drag
+--- 115905059
+>>115905020
+>for his Smiths stuff: Hatful of Hollow
+Wrong.
+--- 115906360
+>>115904990
+His solo discography isn't huge in the grand scheme of things. You can easily get through it in a few days. Viva Hate is a great debut and the obvious place to start, and then listen to Bona Drag, which collects the singles and most of the B-sides from his first two years (one of the greatest albums of all time, IMO). From there, you can pretty much just stick the studio albums proper due to how poorly assembled the rest of the compilations are, sans Swords, but that's only necessary listening depending on how well you enjoy his Attack years (You are the Quarry, Ringleader of the Tormentors and Years of Refusal). You should listen to these non-album singles and B-sides though, which are all excellent.
+>Sister, I'm a Poet
+>My Love Life
+>I've Changed My Plea to Guilty
+>Jack the Ripper
+>I'd Love To
+>Interlude
+>Boxers
+>Have-a-Go Merchant
+>Sunny
+>A Swallow on My Neck
+>Nobody Loves Us
+>You Should Have Been Nice to Me
+>Lost
+>The Edges Are No Longer Parallel
+>I Can Have Both
+>Drag the River
+>Forgive Someone
+>Julie in the Weeds
+>Art-hounds
+>Back on the Chain Gang
+--- 115907673
+>>115904790
+Morrissey is the most interesting person of both the 20th and 21st centuries.
+--- 115907848
+>>115906360
+Don't forget The Never-Played Symphonies.
+--- 115907958
+>>115907848
+I deliberately left off all Swords tracks, as it's assembled well, but yes, there are many great songs there.
+--- 115910735
+>>115904838
+based
+--- 115912292
+>>115906360
+When history is finally written, the Attack trilogy will be considered rock classics. Mark my words.
+--- 115912854
+>>115907673
+The greatest magpie of the c20th/21st.
+His genius comes from a singular ability to form a one-man cult. People think his songs are personal, or keenly observational, when in fact those songs of love, lonliness, poverty and introspection are completely disingenuous and inspired by the poems, stories and lives of others.
+He had a good childhood, supportive family/community, was a champion athlete at school and president of a worldwide fanclub, had several close allies and two soul mate besties who assisted his career, was in bands, published a book, wrote for music magazines, spent time living and working in America, was a local celebrity in Manchester, and had a very well paid government job after leaving school - all before forming the Smiths.
+Hardly the 'back bedroom casualty'. Given he had a very content life with little to complain about, naturally he had to embellish a myth to match the band's aesthetic and depression is a go-to failsafe.
+Housebound and shy he was not - he was hungry, ambitious and motivated. Much is made of Marr knocking on his door in 1982, but they first met several years before that when Marr was 14. Marr recognised someone who had the political skill to survive and thrive in a shark tank while getting a shitload of top 10 hits and a coveted spot as Britain's most unique indie band. So did the record label. They were willing to put up with his mean streak where others weren't.
+Watch any old interviews, TV appearances esp around 86-87, and you'll see a loquacious, charismatic man with the ability to get people eating out of the palm of his hand. Where the interviewers are antagonistic (like Tony Wilson), he has a politician's ability to redirect and reframe. Shyness and introversion are nowhere to be seen.
+He's an excellent study of how to create a self sustaining cult in a cutthroat industry. Nobody else has managed to pull it off, completely on their own terms without compromising, in quite the same way.
+--- 115912981
+>>115912292
+Ringleaders is great but YOR is just... tired lyrically. He doesn't take enough chances or push himself, there should've been more stuff like Birthday rather than Paris, but his voice is at its best there
+--- 115913269
+>>115907673
+David Sylvian >
+--- 115913378
+>>115912854
+The singer of my favorite band for the past 13 years turns out to be a huge fraud. Not sure how to deal with this.
+--- 115913507
+>>115913269
+lmao
+--- 115913684
+>>115913269
+Not even David Sylvian believes this.
+--- 115914077
+>>115913684
+He's being humble, obviously. His music is consistently good and interesting, unlike Mozza's. Sylvian never fell off either.
+--- 115914945
+No thread has been up this long in the ten years that I've been here. Not for anything.
+--- 115915063
+>>115912292
+Based, I agree. Ringleader especially is magnificent.
+--- 115915108
+The mods may as well give this thread a sticky at this point.
+--- 115915376
+>>115913378
+Who?
+--- 115915385
+>Life is nothing much to lose
+>it's just so lonely here without you
+--- 115915889
+>>115913378
+90% of musicians are self-made myths. Don't feel bad about it, it's how the industry makes money - they market a product to target your natural desire to identify with someone's 'struggle'.
+Morrissey was at least quite honest about it in early interviews, he admitted that his life was fairly boring and that Shelagh Delany's writings on working class life was the influence for the early Smiths songs. 'I would go out tonight, but I haven't got a stitch to wear' is a line in one of her plays, and he directly quotes several others in Reel around the fountain, Still Ill and a few others (This Night has opened my eyes is a direct rip from a plotline in her works)
+There *are* shy musicians, but they're usually the bass player or someone in the background. It takes real arrogance, social/political skills, business acumen, and charm to be a frontman.
+Ed Sheeran claimed he was a homeless busker, when he actually grew up in a tight knit family with very middle class parents who supported him all the way... cynical, but that's how the biz works
+--- 115915983
+>>115913378
+I've never understood why people think that an artist should always sing about themselves, and that if they don't it's ingenuine. Fiction is allowed in film, literature, poetry, and visual art. Why not music? Why does writing works of fiction make people believe the artist is a fraud if it's in the context of music?
+--- 115917449
+This thread. This thread right here, has been up longer than any other thread on /mu/. Not the death of David Bowie. Not Prince. Not the release of Merriweather Post Pavilion. No, no, this one.
+--- 115917453
+Posting in epic thread
+--- 115917483
+>>115917449
+Feels good to be the first post in a historic thread like this one
+--- 115917698
+>>115917449
+>>115917453
+>>115917483
+Real legends never die
+--- 115917827
+>>115823347
+Is that why he put a picture of his ass on the inner sleeve of his Greatest Hits album?
+--- 115918969
+>>115823276 (OP)
+Jokes on you, The Smiths compilation albums are where the best stuff is at. Hateful Hollow > Nearly everything else with the exception of Queen is Dead

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+--- 115855822
+Previous >>115780156 →
+Internet Archive about to be removed, anons. This is in your own interrest, post the best shit you got from there.
+If you're not busy posting in /prod/ then you better be out there archiving all the goodies from the internet archive.
+Production Resources:
+>Pastebin - Links, books, videos, articles, tutorials and stuff
+http://pastebin.com/pYGCLu6q
+>/prod/ wiki - still looking for contributors
+http://mu-sic-production.wikia.com
+Don't be lazy and leave feedback. Remember to use clyp.it/vocaroo.com to post your tracks/WIP, avoid soundcloud and blatant self-promo. Leave feedback if you're asking for feedback, note what you're looking for feedback on if you do.
+--- 115855903
+>>115855822 (OP)
+>Internet Archive about to be removed,
+I don't believe it.
+I can't hold all these milkdrops
+https://archive.org/details/milkdrops
+--- 115856350
+>>115855822 (OP)
+https://vocaroo.com/1lJx4dhP9Noe
+I wanna make Italo disco. Am I getting close?
+--- 115857528
+Don't know whether to learn songs by ear, or chord charts or sheet music or lead sheets.
+What do?
+I want to git gud at making music with the piano and midi keyboard
+--- 115857579
+>>115856350
+>https://vocaroo.com/1lJx4dhP9Noe
+You already posted this in previous thread bozo
+First 15 seconds is great. Next ten not so much, same with til :37, bland patch/preset and the arrangement continues to depreciate..
+Everything onwards (4 minutes of atonal, discordant, MUSICless noodling on Bass) should be thrown out.
+ Just loop the first 15s or so, let's see how that sounds
+--- 115857612
+>>115857528
+Start making straight up music. Entire songs. over and over and over again. you'll learn all the production stuff over the years but just focus on creating moments that actually excite you. And of course continue to refine ur music taste to better understand what good music sounds like to you.
+--- 115857665
+>>115857528
+A bit of ear, but mostly focus on chords. Get pic related, the diagrams are only for guitar but you should be able to learn all the chords. From there just play through the songs over and over til you start to recognize patterns in the chords.
+It doesn't have to be Beatles in the case that you're a gay zoom. Any band that you are very familiar with their music and will have a clear idea of what the song sounds like, the rhythm, the style, to compare against and guide you while your are trying to play it.
+I'd say they and this particular book are a good choice because they have a pretty wide array of songs in a lot of different styles, and it will cover most common/classic chord progressions and even a few more inventive ones.
+It also would be a bad idea to get a cheap acoustic guitar. What helped me early on with theory was that I was 6 months into learning guitar when I picked up piano. This allowed me the chance to take what I had learned on one instrument and "translate" it to the other, and the other way around as I progressed.
+And yeah learning to sight read is a good idea but not crucial. Approach it in a little bit a time manner along the journey of learning you respective instrument. I knew a classically trained pianist that could play the most intricate and difficult pie of Chopin, but couldn't play a fucking lick if it wasn't written on a page in front of them.
+--- 115857672
+>>115857665
+*WOULDN'T be a bad idea to guitar yada yada
+--- 115857751
+>>115855822 (OP)
+lol accidentally found the rectovaginal exam videos up there
+--- 115857757
+>>115855903
+When it goes (and it likely will this Summer), it'll be another crushing deathblow to the old internet. 4chan(nel) will inevitably be next.
+--- 115857767
+>>115857757
+no it wont
+its a perfect place to monitor people who think theyre under the radar but arent
+shit is fucking honey pot for a good while longer
+--- 115857839
+ALL MY EMBARRASSING OLD POSTS FROM 10 YEARS AGO WILL FINALLY BE DELETED
+I'M FREE
+--- 115857860
+>>115857839
+kek they will be copied and written into your dna once trump is elected in 2032
+"state funded" never goes away
+--- 115857945
+Someone please download any and all old video recordings, as many as you possibly can, we can't let this shit die!
+--- 115858010
+They're mainly going after their e-books for books that were released less than five years ago, so if you're not a fan of e-books you won't be affected.
+--- 115858089
+>>115858010
+do NOT derail my fear and paranoia train.
+we all know where the internet goes.
+--- 115858145
+>>115857528
+Do you have theorethical knowledge? Then it shouldn't be difficult to play songs.
+If you don't know music theory you got 2 options: play by tabs or chord books, remember the chord shapes like this anon suggested >>115857665 or learn music theory.
+I wouldn't advise chord books or tabs or any of that stuff. You would be able to play songs, but you wouldn't ever understand how music functions. It's the easier and faster way, yes. The harder but better way is music theory. Most theory of popular songs isn't that hard though. Your choice.
+--- 115858744
+https://vocaroo.com/14MWam4tckYb
+--- 115859561
+>>115855903
+>>115855822 (OP)
+AAaah fuck no the one place I uploaded our music the most
+--- 115859584
+>>115856350
+Not sure about close… it sounds like a jap video game version of… something.
+But mostly that’s not high energy enough, this isn’t beckoning you to the dance floor
+--- 115859602
+>>115856350
+And the beat, that’s not the disco beat, sorry
+--- 115859643
+https://vocaroo.com/1lPzLt07R2Nk
+Me on guitar...composing a little idea i had...just a demo...the bass sucks i think...
+--- 115859794
+>>115859602
+>>115859584
+>>115857579
+Ok I'll be straight, that was made in 40 mins at work. How's this for an Italo disco track? Pic related.
+https://vocaroo.com/14fdKKrbJoRR
+--- 115860312
+>>115855822 (OP)
+what are the best studio monistors for a really low budget?
+--- 115860388
+>>115859794
+doesnt sound like italo disco to mebut maybe its because theres no vocals
+--- 115860407
+>>115859794
+it sounds like you remixed the dbz ost
+--- 115860440
+Retard question:
+I use Reaper and am going to bounce some mixes. What is best practice as far as oversampling and rendering sample rate are concerned?
+I oversample all the dynamic/non-linear plugins. Is there a specific resolution I should go for? Or is higher sample rate usually better (even if it might be "redundant"?)
+When it comes to project sample rate.
+Let's say that my tracks and samples have been recorded at 48000khz, will changing the final rendering sample rate to let's say 96k or more generally be better (eliminating artefacts and super sonic noise/aliasing)?
+I'm reading a lot of forums about this, but I'm not entirely into the science of this yet.
+TLDR; to what sample rate should I bounce my final mix, and why
+--- 115860479
+I get audio crackles in Ableton on one project when i use my speakers through my interface
+When i use my headphones through my usb mic there are no crackles at all
+CPU hangs around 40% on both setups and they're both set on the same hertz levels as ableton
+I hate all this shit, any idea why it does that?
+--- 115860485
+>>115860440
+And to think people used to just plug the thing and look at the needle going up and down
+--- 115860641
+>>115860485
+Yeah, if I had analog gear and wax rolls that would be ideal
+--- 115860695
+>>115855822 (OP)
+wait where does it say that the archive is getting removed? I know they lost the law suit? also when?
+--- 115860698
+I'm finally ready to release my EP
+I really don't want to shill it but I'd like for some people to at least listen to it, and I doubt anyone will if it's just on my bandcamp
+Was thinking about getting a few dozen 7" pressed and asking my some local record shops if I can sell them there, but other than that I don't really want to pay for fucking ads on social media or be cancerous and spam it on the internet, I just want people to be able to find it if that makes sense
+--- 115860816
+>>115860698
+>I'd like for some people to at least listen to it
+Posting in /mu/s shill general or some subreddits shouldn't do any harm
+Also consider spotify, probably no real money in it but that's where most people look for music, and you can pitch your track to a curated playlist.
+--- 115860834
+>>115860698
+How did you approach mixing and mastering? Did you do it on your own? Any tips?
+--- 115860925
+>>115855822 (OP)
+>>115855903
+>>115857757
+>>115857767
+>>115857839
+>>115857860
+what do you mean Internet Archive will be removed? Source?
+--- 115861042
+https://vocaroo.com/171Nq3FQahu3
+is there too much chorus on the lead bass or does it sound cool?
+--- 115861050
+>>115860925
+Lies. The government would never fuck with something this big and significant.
+--- 115862479
+I think im borking my track atm
+Can anyone help me out
+--- 115862710
+>>115862479
+post it
+--- 115862718
+Forgot >>115862479 the link ffs
+https://voca.ro/1cgnPaPubPZc
+>>115862710
+Yeah
+Kinda running a blank on this track
+No idea what kind of bassline /sound i want
+Drums dont sound good to me yet
+And i already took a couple days off
+--- 115862720
+>>115855822 (OP)
+Back on the ambient ride...Well, who here wants to see an anon try and make dark ambient using nothing but reverb plugins, bitcrusher and an outdated synth.
+--- 115862843
+>>115862720
+Its always “dark”.
+Dark is easy, its the lazy path.
+Try making something in major that isn’t lame, that id be interested to hear
+--- 115862929
+>>115862843
+It's drowned in reverb stuff. It's something to reflect as a mirror to my fucked up autistic head. I don't get the sound design. Let alone making cave ambiet.
+--- 115862934
+>>115862929
+plus I'm aiming to get onto cryo chamber
+--- 115862982
+>>115862929
+Yeah nothing against you, just seems every dude with a keyboard just goes for that DARK feel, but what they’re not admitting to themselves is that’s a cop out for the inability to do much else.
+--- 115863017
+>>115862982
+understandable. I've found that melancholy yet with some light in it fits what I'm aiming for. Inspirations like protou, alphaxone, gdanian, and void stasis are what I'm looking at.
+Also Dead Melodies. dude is a fantastic producer for environmental storytelling through sound alone
+--- 115863135
+>>115862718
+Here's a few ideas I had listening to it:
+Add some rhythmic/glitch variation on the vocal sample using something like Gross Beat/Shaperbox.
+Some hi-hats to carry the groove at the intro before the break kicks in.
+Add a filter to the drums and play around with it using some automation.
+Add more energy to the transitions, especially around 40 seconds.
+>>115861042
+I like it, I think it sounds cool.
+>>115859794
+I'm not hearing it. The sound selection feels off, and there's no groove in it. It feels too erratic.
+>>115859643
+Very bossa-nova esque, nice.
+>>115858744
+You like Alex G don't you anon?
+Gonna be entering a beat contest soon, wish me luck /prod/.
+--- 115863143
+>>115862843
+What are even some examples of major key ambient?
+--- 115863262
+>>115863143
+Mmm dunno
+Harold Budd Pavillion of dreams?
+Iasos solo work?
+Robert Frippertronics/that eno swastika girls album?
+That YouTube guitar channel guy, chords of Orion?
+Good GY!BE songs?
+The world is your oyster anything is possible doesn’t have to be strictly major key, just, not the same easy horror movie soundtrack bull shit all the time
+--- 115863275
+>>115863262
+I ain't aiming for a horror theme. I'm looking at stuff like, Gdanian - Hidden Sector as inspiration,
+--- 115863339
+>>115863143
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUiUaoG7nrA [Embed]
+--- 115863383
+>>115863135
+>Add some rhythmic/glitch variation on the vocal sample using something like Gross Beat/Shaperbox.
+>Some hi-hats to carry the groove at the intro before the break kicks in.
+>Add a filter to the drums and play around with it using some automation.
+>Add more energy to the transitions, especially around 40 seconds.
+Thanks
+Any ideas to giving the whole thing more groove? a synth? a bass?
+--- 115863429
+>>115863135
+>You like Alex G don't you anon?
+LMAO god damnit. yes. huge fan of his earlier music
+--- 115863554
+https://vocaroo.com/12LX1u9kVn8O
+extremely unfinished rough sketch, I would just sit here and finish it, but I have to go out. critique is very much appreciated
+--- 115863737
+>>115863383
+Maybe accent some syncopated bass notes? Not sure. I've always found that groove lies in drums and bass, toy around with the relationship between the two and see what you come up with.
+>>115863429
+Nothing wrong with wearing your influences on your sleeve. Keep it up homie.
+--- 115863930
+https://vocaroo.com/1gCXhXrDyt0k
+do you think this sounds messy or cluttered?
+--- 115863950
+>>115863737
+Alright thanks anon!
+--- 115863987
+>>115855822 (OP)
+Noooo. What?! Why?
+--- 115864006
+Stayed up all night and did this bit
+https://vocaroo.com/1b0jIVcPyfgg
+--- 115864020
+>>115860698
+print a bunch of qr codes for your album and start leaving them around your city
+--- 115864029
+>>115863930
+this is really nice anon
+>do you think this sounds messy or cluttered?
+nah, keep doing what youre doing
+--- 115864075
+>>115864006
+this might be really chill but
+the synth is a bit weird
+sounds muffled
+kicks a bit woozy
+--- 115864118
+>>115863554
+good start, I like the clean low end on this. highs from the sample are still a little piercing when turned up loud enough to enjoy the bass, so I'd eq those down maybe. otherwise it sounds good! just needs some more changeups+flares to fill it out I think
+>>115863930
+sounds good, not too cluttered, the funk/pop fusion is fun, this part feels like it could be the bridge to a longer song with some more verses
+--- 115864195
+>>115864075
+is woozy kicks a bad thing? :S yeah I have got some reverb and filters and stuff going thats why it sounds muffled, it's supposed to come down for a sec here and then open back up as the more delay-y line comes in but maybe I don't have it dialed yet I need to listen on more setups. thanks for listenin
+--- 115864463
+>>115861050
+>The government would never fuck with something this big and significant.
+Good one, Patrick
+--- 115864800
+>>115864463
+WE'RE ALL LIVING IN AMERIKA, AMERIKA, IT'S WUNDERBAR!
+--- 115865080
+How to shill your music effectively?
+Like on YT for example, how to make your videos pop out on someone's starting page of YT? Or to make them appear in the related videos section in similar bands? I don't mind paying a few bucks.
+--- 115865157
+>>115865080
+Make a good track. Unfortunately you haven't done this, so start again
+--- 115865194
+>>115865157
+I have some relatively alright tracks, I mean, some people would probably enjoy them or at least tolerate over silence, but we all know the quality of music is a very minor factor when it comes to its reach.
+--- 115865383
+>>115865080
+I'm not sure. When I start putting shit on my bandcamp or SC page I'm not really going to worry about if anyone hears it cause they won't. I still need to find out how to get my music on Spotify and apple music
+--- 115865408
+Can someone give me a tutorial video/channel/tips or something on making drums? Every time I load up a kit I start hitting shit on my drumpad and I like the sounds and I'm trying to get the timing right but it's so hard to make drums that aren't boring. I don't want to draw them in because I want to learn to use my equipment
+--- 115867223
+>>115865408
+I don't know what kind of stuff you're making, but I'd say listen to more music, pay attention to drums and try to emulate them sometimes
+Weird sounds are good.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPV_bL_YOho [Embed]
+--- 115867892
+>>115865194
+>but we all know the quality of music is a very minor factor when it comes to its reach.
+Your subjective opinion about quality, most popular songs have qualities even though they arent yours.
+If your opinion of pop music is that it's easy to make and any halfwit who can string together a 4chord song can reach the pop charts, you're just never going to make it. You dont have the qualities to make such a song.
+Do realise there are entire industries built around making pop songs. People alot more qualified, talented and knowledgeable than you and there are thousands of them.
+--- 115869792
+Bumping
+First time ever trying to make some rock (usually more of a Jazz guitarist). I even wrote some lyrcis for that demo (but i will probably never record it - too cringe)
+https://vocaroo.com/1gficOxAbM9L
+--- 115870783
+>Share song in one of the shill threads
+>People say it reminds them of different artists
+>Listen to those artists
+>Their shit is really good
+>Get confidence boost
+>Discover new artists in the process
+We're doing it, boys. We're improving.
+--- 115870877
+This shit blows. I should have made friends instead. Today was a beautiful day and I spent it sitting in a dark room, tinkering. I've tinkered away my youth.
+--- 115871268
+>>115870877
+what about making friends who want to tinker with you?? you could try posting something to craigslist musicians, maybe a long shot depending on where you live but I met a couple cool people this way before
+--- 115871440
+>>115865194
+That's a crazy thing to say bro. 'who cares if my tracks are quality or not, I just want views and listens.'
+You should like your tracks and want to listen to them, and not just becasue you made them, but because they sound great to you
+--- 115871706
+>>115871440
+Really well said anon. The only reason I even make music is because I ran out of new shit to listen to in my favorite genres. Views don't mean shit, fame doesn't mean shit, if just one person hears your song and it impacts them or makes them feel, then your music is alive. And that one person can even be yourself.
+--- 115871758
+>>115871706
+This is what happens with the democraticisation of tech and its only going to get worse with AI. You get tasteless idiots creating tonnes of albums they don't even like and making the sea of garbage that much larger
+--- 115871857
+>>115871758
+Meh. I think the community/labels aspect of the music world will act to balance this, it always has. Passionate artists will seek out communities they fit in and be motivated to make shit that people find worthwhile, and the labels and channels and stuff will naturally filter the best to the top. Chaff will just sit around, if nobody is sharing it nobody will ever find it, and if it sucks nobody is gonna share it. IDK how spotify works mind you I would assume that platform is just pay2win so yeah you might see some stupid shit getting promoted on there
+--- 115871890
+>>115871857
+>you might see some stupid shit getting promoted on there
+yeah the top 100 chart since it started
+--- 115871891
+>>115855822 (OP)
+NO WAY I JUST KNOW
+--- 115871929
+>>115871857
+>the labels and channels and stuff will naturally filter the best to the top
+Cutely naive, naively cute. You don't get to the top naturally...especially if you have zero connections into the industry, however niche/indie or whatever it might be. Anons ITT believing they will just send their tracks to a small label or playlist curator and be then magically "discovered" that will be kickstarting their career will have a rude awakening. It's not going to work that way.
+--- 115872029
+>>115871929
+You misunderstand, I don't mean 'top' of the entire industry. I just mean, any label is gonna have albums they promote selectively or that gain more relative popularity because of algorithms. This **TENDS** to make stand-out releases easier to find. In reality it is both random and subject to influence, social factors and all of that. You are right that making good music is no guarantee of getting views, and making the connections with curators and actually getting your music published is an entirely different question. My point was only that the 'sea of garbage' the other anon mentioned won't be as big of a problem because labels will (mostly) want to promote good music not garbage
+--- 115872192
+>>115858145
+You can extrude the theory from chord books over time. Trying to just learn theory outright isn't worth much if you don't have any experience in how it's applied.
+--- 115872350
+>>115869792
+this would be more interesting with a melody but the instruments sound good and stuff
+i think the guitar is too distant though
+--- 115872676
+I like the idea of power electronics, but I'm not big on the screaming or the really abrasive sounds, like the 2edgy4u parts. I just like the idea of making music from "natural" electronic noises and simple waveforms. Is it worth exploring musically?
+--- 115872729
+>>115872350
+>this would be more interesting with a melody
+yeah, it's basically just the basic rhythm guitar - the melody comes with the lyrics (which i will never record - i can't sing)
+>i think the guitar is too distant though
+recorded it with a mic infront of the amp. i hadn't had an audio interface at hand...
+anyway, thanks for your feedback. i barely get feedback in these threads
+--- 115872774
+>>115860479
+Do you have Ableton set to exclusive control?
+--- 115872811
+>>115860479
+Which interface, which OS, and what's your buffer size? Asking because I have a MOTU interface that doesn't like buffer sizes above 128 samples in Windows for some reason. It could be something quirky about the drivers.
+--- 115872833
+>>115872029
+I understand. But even the low level "top" stuff isn't there by mere accident. Put yourself into the shoes of some curator or small indie label manager: you probably will get hundreds of demo tracks on a daily basis. The chances that the right man/woman hears your stuff by accident, likes it, signs you etc. is basically zero. 30-40 years ago, maybe you had a chance that way, but today? Every damn zoomer calls himself a producer now and all they do is putting some loops from sample packs together...lots of music managers and labels are jaded and stopped accepting demos for this very reason. If no one important reccs you, you will probably never make it.
+Times have changed. If you wanna make it (big or small, whatever) put your face outthere, have a media presence, manage it daily, build a community, be extroverted, connect with people, do live shows and proof that you're a musician...not just a bedroom producer. It's a grind, and all that non-creative but equally important stuff on the side is draining. Are you up for that? I personally decided against it...i focus on my music, maybe upload some stuff here and there on soundcloud to share it with friends and family, but that's it- The industry and business part of music isn't my thing...so i will never "make" it, but it's okay. Whatever way you choose: good luck.
+--- 115872844
+>>115860479
+Let me guess, you are using the focusrite scarlett?
+--- 115872989
+>>115860440
+48Khz 24 bit : Recording/Production format
+48/44.1Khz 16bit : Release format
+48Khz gives you an audio range up to 24Khz, well beyond you're hearing. 24 bit goes below The noise floor of human hearing. This is great to work in as its very flexible and usually the standard up to mastering, where it will get converted down to consumer formats.
+Some people get antsy on the 44.1/48 thing. Don't. Just use 48, the advantages are purely technical but they're enough that I'd stand over this.
+There's no advantage to working in higher sample rates other than for very specific circumstances (varispeed). Any plugins that would require it, such as some forms of distortion modelling, do it automatically. There's been no evidence that high sample rates will save your DAW the effort computationally.
+t. A guy who makes music for a living
+--- 115872996
+>>115872192
+>Trying to just learn theory outright isn't worth much if you don't have any experience in how it's applied.
+Agreed. I am just talking about basic music theory though...he doesn't need to study Bach or Mozart to understand the concept of popular music.
+Here's what every producer should know at least:
+- Major scales
+- Minor scales
+- Circle of fifths
+- Chord construction
+- Degrees (I - ii - iii etc)
+That's it ... and it doesn't take much to learn it. With that basic tool kit you can bascially deconstruct every major pop song from the last 50 years and then easily play these songs. Forget about reading sheet music...i don't think it's needed anymore if you don't wanna write down your stuff. And even then you can just write it down like this: Cmaj7 - Dm7 - G7 etc...no notes needed.
+--- 115873076
+>>115872833
+You might have overestimated how much interest small labels see, and underestimate their desire to scoop up talent? What you're saying is probably true of larger labels that will actually pay you to do music as a sole career, but if your goal is simply to distribute your music, and your stuff is quality, I think there are tons of folks who would happily put it out. It's not like it's a supreme amount of effort to post a youtube or bandcamp upload, and it is a symbiotic thing. Labels want good shit in their catalogue and yeah they will listen to serious submissions. Also local labels are ALWAYS trying to grow, if you fit in with their niche and talk to them in person it's almost a sure thing.
+--- 115873097
+>>115872996
+>common practice era propaganda
+Without non functional harmony you basically can't understand most modern pop music. Explain Gypsy - Crystal Waters or even Purple Haze by Hendrix?
+What you list is a good start but it basically stops making sense outside of very white or country influenced music by 1967.
+--- 115873106
+>>115872989
+Thanks anon. I've always been confused by the 44.1k/48k thing.
+--- 115873337
+>>115873076
+>if your goal is simply to distribute your music, and your stuff is quality, I think there are tons of folks who would happily put it out
+You can do that yourself these days though - no labels needed. Distrokid, Soundcloud &amp; Co. allow artists to distribute their music to all major streaming platforms. I guess what you mean is promotion and PR...which is totally different. Sure, there are online agencies that will do it for you, but it's pricey and not a guarantee. So, the stuff i mentioned still applies here too: put yourself outthere and be more than just a bedroom producer in the sea of millions of bedroom producers. Just good music isn't enough (never was to be honest).
+--- 115873362
+>>115873097
+>stops making sense outside of very white or country influenced music by 1967.
+Well yeah, we are talking about western pop music...that's what i was assuming at least. If you wanna study microtonal polyrhythm indian music, western music theory doesn't help much....
+But i highly doubt that's the thing most people are interested in...so, basic western music theory is often enough to play the big songs.
+--- 115873430
+>>115873362
+I am talking about western pop music. Deconstruct My Generation by The Who or Smells Like Teen Spirit and 18th century classical harmony doesnt work
+--- 115873474
+>>115873337
+Even without active/paid promotion, just releasing on a label inherently benefits you because of the hundreds or maybe thousands of people who check that label for releases. Nobody's seeing your stuff on distrokid unless they searched for you. Small labels are the lifeblood of music these days because they connect listeners and artists that would never find eachother otherwise and allow those artists to grow without entering the sphere of viral industry BS. It's just how the underground works, everyone wants to help eachother because everyone has the same goal-- the music
+--- 115873666
+>>115873474
+Absolutely. But i posted earlier why it's almost impossible for a nobody to get signed these days. The smaller the label, the more pretentious, hipster and picky. You really gotta stand out from the crowd. And getting signed isn't the end goal and won't boost you that much either. If you think you got what it takes though, go for it. But personal real life connections will always be superior over niche netlabels.
+--- 115873677
+>>115873666
+Can't argue with Satan
+--- 115873719
+>>115873430
+You can totally deconstruct Smells like teen spirit with basic understanding of music theory.
+- 4 Power Chords
+- Written in the key of F (it's only power chords, so no minor or major shenanigans, power chords are missing the 3th degree which determines the quality of a chord)
+- Progression: F - Bb - A - D
+- Or: I - iv - iii - VI
+That's basic music theory and it's all you need for the beginning...no one said anon should write entire operas. With that knowledge you will be able analyze EVERY modern pop song and play them too. You will naturally get more knowledge if you keep at it and dig deeper but that's the bare minimum some producer should know and you can get that knowledge in a matter of weeks.
+--- 115873762
+>>115873719
+To add on that: i don't know much theory myself, but i can play any song i want to learn without much struggle on guitar. In fact in learned "Smile" from Nat King Cole last week. I only need to know the chord names, don't need to read sheet music. It's totally enough and fine. Or this 12 bar blues...tells you everything you need to know.
+--- 115873812
+>>115873719
+The problem is you're making the music fit the mold by just looking at the root motion of the progression.
+It's in F minor, the melody will tell you that. There's a b3 and a b6, very much natural minor. But the chord progression isn't really power chords, it's more like F sus4, Bb maj, Ab Sus 4, Db Major. You hear that in the opening.
+But Bb major would make it F dorian. And the sus chords aren't really functioning in any way to add resolve.
+I'm not trying to go in on you, but this view that academia and YouTube musicians offer is not helpful and will make life more confusing. Understanding chords is understanding scales, modes and also voice leading. I'd just advocate a broader approach, jazz harmony offers this to some extent but still gets sucked in by (((Big Chord))).
+The book Harmony Through Melody and a jazz book or two is a much more comprehensive way to understand modern music.
+--- 115873869
+>>115873812
+Part of me wishes music theory was more empirical, and people teaser out how harmony works through experiment rather than just blind reading.
+But the problem is that classical musicians teach it, and they don't understand it themselves. Performers work blindly and have no grasp of what they parrot. "Oh that's a polychord" they say as they play what they see as C maj over A min. They can't see outside the paradigm, and they dictate the syllabus.
+One of the worst crimes of Western Music Brain on the Internet is David Bennet's Strawberry Fields Forever analysis. Can't spot the key changes. The voice leading, anything. Just has big mozart brain that can't help him with a 4 minute pop song.
+--- 115873941
+>>115873812
+>Ab Sus 4, Db Majo
+Right, i got the second half totally wrong and so i wrongfully thought it's written in F. You clearly know a lot more than me regarding theory - but that's no achievement because i said i only know the basics - which is enough for my needs.
+>Harmony Through Melody
+Noted and added to my list - but i gotta finish "Modern Method for Guitar" first...it teaches music theory too.
+--- 115873952
+>>115873869
+>One of the worst crimes of Western Music Brain on the Internet is David Bennet's Strawberry Fields Forever analysis.
+Are you fucking serious? I love his videos, he's taught me a lot...he seems to know a lot.
+--- 115874124
+>>115872029
+No
+--- 115874195
+>>115873869
+All the good music is when people are still fumbling around, learning as they go.
+When it’s reached the point where it’s all professionnals and it’s taught in universities and every little part is intellectualized and pre-solved: dead.
+See pop music, jazz, metal, etc
+--- 115874363
+>>115873952
+He's fine as long as its within that CPE world of simple Major Minor and Tonic/Dominant relationships. But I think he's basically like those AB Music Theory books and he often incorrectly interprets things in a way where visual score language overrides the actual events you hear. The Strawberry Fields one is a perfect example. That tune does not work like he thinks it does at all. He misses the B minor key change, the line clichés, lots of stuff. No jazz knowledge.
+>>115874195
+In a sense. It's good to learn as much as you can though. The problem is the learning is very prescriptive rather than descriptive. They act as though all the problems are solved. The reality is modern harmony still has a lot of question marks over it, there's a lot of ambiguity.
+--- 115874374
+who needs theory just put on more delays at different intervals until it works
+--- 115874384
+>>115873941
+That's all good. I just think people get pushed down the wrong holes with a lot of this stuff.
+If you're more a person who likes learning theory through the instrument, I'd also recommend Exploring Jazz Guitar by Phil Capone. Does all the modes and musical ways to interpret them, using pentatonic outside of blues harmony etc.
+Very insightful book
+--- 115874420
+>>115874363
+>They act as though all the problems are solved.
+Yes and they apply the same answers before questions can even appear.
+And then wonder why people feel nothing for their work
+--- 115874430
+>>115874363
+>The reality is modern harmony still has a lot of question marks over it, there's a lot of ambiguity.
+Care to elaborate? Always willing to know more...like, are there big questions still in music today similar to the big questions in physics or what do you mean?
+--- 115874450
+I usually have three saturation busses, one for mid and high and one for the entire frequency spectrum. Is that over the top autistic or is that how it's actually done? also dicks
+--- 115874485
+>>115874450
+IDK anon does it sound good?
+--- 115874545
+>>115874430
+Look at things like the Petrushka chord, look at Altered Dominants as a concept. They break out understanding of tonality being important.
+I think the emergence of microtronal music is really interesting. Specifically the way a lot of it seems to be 24tet, like that King Gizzard record. Before we used to be flexible in our view of this stuff - 'blue notes' etc. Will we become a world of heavily prescribed microtonal harmony also?
+--- 115874597
+When you guys want a sample of a certain kind of sound (e.g. the sound of waves on a seashore) how do you usually go about getting them? Record your own? Sample websites? Rip audio from youtube?
+--- 115874630
+>>115874597
+freesound.org
+--- 115874648
+>>115874597
+google: royalty free *sound descrption
+--- 115874665
+>>115873869
+It helps if you know the piano and play it. You won't understand music theory just playing round on a daw, you have to play and know an instrument.
+--- 115874722
+>>115874485
+I like it a lot
+https://vocaroo.com/1fnq1MJa1pTy
+--- 115874805
+>>115874545
+I think i get it now. Once a genre has been "solved", it dies, fades into obscurity and becomes niche. That's why new music genres come and go (like Jazz, Nu-Metal, Emo, Trap). Microtonality could be the next big thing, only to disappear once it has been solved.
+--- 115874889
+>>115874597
+All of it, depening what i need.
+--- 115874941
+Anons what is a definitive beginners guide to FL Studio? Having trouble understanding everything.
+--- 115875050
+>>115874805
+You could even see it as a video game.
+Its not quite that its been solved by others but that playing that game/world/level just isn’t fun anymore
+--- 115875139
+>>115875050
+I really like this analogy
+--- 115875198
+>>115875050
+I will never understand that mindset. Been listening to Boom Bap since i was 13 and Jazz since 20. There are some games i have been playing for over 10 years (no, not WoW). I think "normie" taste for entertainment is manufactured by the industries, and they just gobble up whatever the industries feed them: always onto the next hot thing...trend hoppers and influencers do the rest. If it was for me personally Boom Bap and Jazz would still top the charts. "Solved" games don't necessarily die out like some music genres.
+--- 115875222
+>>115875139
+I guess l often compare jamming/playing improv as opposed to playing a video game.
+In one you have to build and invent everything as you go along, reacting fast to what the other’s playing, anything can happen and anything can fuck up any time, it’s an infinite trove of chaos and problem-solving, results unpredictable and quality varies but the process itself is so much fun… compared to pushing buttons to go through the storyline someone else all thought of. Boring as fuck.
+--- 115875239
+>>115875198
+I dont know if i follow… genres “dying” and the personal experience solving/playing them are such different dimensions
+--- 115875280
+>>115875198
+are those genres really dead though, or has the mainstream paradigm just changed? I think it's just like games, Overwatch and Minecraft may have replaced Mario and Duke Nukem as the biggest things, but nearly every game still has some dedicated players. Every genre ever made has 100 revival bands still playing it in some bar somewhere
+--- 115875289
+>>115875239
+There's always going to be people making music in every genre, even the ones you consider "dead."
+--- 115875301
+>>115875289
+Well yeah, them being “dead”or not is more about the mainstream and music industry issues etc yada yada
+--- 115875323
+i just found out about pete&amp; bas if im 80 i want to still vibe like these guys
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e5oKp-tCY4 [Embed]
+im gonna produce a drill beat i think kinda into it
+--- 115875421
+Anyone ever made beats using only ammunition sounds? Guns, bombs, explosions. I’d try but I’m lazy, so steal my idea I don’t mind
+--- 115875660
+https://vocaroo.com/16BgaRL7Zruv
+What do you guys have to say about this?
+--- 115875754
+>>115875660
+pretty cool
+--- 115875775
+>>115875421
+MIA done that
+--- 115876177
+>>115875775
+Did she or did she just use a sample of 3 gunshots
+--- 115876233
+Made a thing after work today. what do you guys think of this?
+https://vocaroo.com/18b9xnih39GB
+--- 115876707
+I feel like I am always thwarted by my lack of musical prowess, I've just read a small amount of music theory and then I punch things into the DAW but usually it sucks. I feel I would benefit from learning to play piano for real but whenever I try to practice by playing pieces I just start wishing I was composing instead, and then when I'm composing I realize I need to study music so that I don't get writers block/make bad compositions.
+/blog
+--- 115876745
+Has Frootyloops considered producing some kind of product named "Pro-duce"
+--- 115876785
+>>115876707
+You need constraint. Not more options, less.
+If you were technically gifted you’d just feel thwarted by that.
+--- 115876889
+>>115876707
+just play as much as you can. fuck around and improv. don't think about it so much just do it, it's the hours you actually spend with the instrument or the DAW that teach you the most. don't be afraid of sounding like shit or of scrapping projects that's part of learning. also you don't need to learn pieces either unless you specifically want to get good at playing pieces. captcha=GAYPM
+--- 115876932
+>>115876707
+Learn some jazz standards, play with the arrangement. It's just as creative as composing
+--- 115876944
+What are some tricks one can use to make sample-based midi instruments sound like ensembles when they’re playing the same melody? Especially for strings and horns.
+--- 115876978
+>>115876944
+get sample pack of an ensemble? lol
+--- 115876982
+>>115876944
+Alter the velocity and aftertouch / expression. push the modulation wheel up and down, swell with the movement of the phrases
+--- 115876986
+>>115876889
+Doesn’t learning pieces make it easier to transcribe music though?
+--- 115876988
+>>115876944
+Don’t all play the same notes
+See>>115876932
+arrangements
+--- 115877912
+>>115876233
+Horrible.
+--- 115877940
+>>115877912
+that's what my mom said about ur dick last night
+--- 115878935
+>>115872774
+I tried both ways
+>>115872811
+arturia minifuse, windows, 512 samples
+i only have that problem on one project but i don't use any plugin that i don't use elsewhere, weird
+--- 115878980
+how long does it take to learn how to play by ear? like how many years or months?
+--- 115879305
+>>115878980
+Depends how fluent you expect to be. Just put some music on and play along, and make sense. Then get better at it.
+--- 115879977
+Anyone here familiar with SCSI? I have an old Emu Emulator IV and as I've been learning to make multisamples I like, I've realized its internal storage is low and floppy disks are unreliable/expensive. Would plugging any old SCSI harddrive add more storage?
+--- 115879996
+>>115876233
+>https://vocaroo.com/18b9xnih39GB
+Not horrible, just too repetitive/needs some variation.
+--- 115880021
+>>115876233
+the 80s where 80 years ago grandad
+also what genre is this
+https://voca.ro/1NN6jZ3yxUrX
+--- 115880108
+>>115879977
+>Would plugging any old SCSI harddrive add more storage?
+Not any old drive, but one with the right interface connected with the right cables, yeah. Bear in mind that it'll need to be set to a different SCSI ID than your internal storage and likely because of that your sampler will only see either the internal storage or the newly added hard drive.
+Best option and is what I did with my Akai S2000 (with some internal mods to allow internal connection), is to get a SCSI2SD and fit that internally to replace the existing internal storage, you'd need to transfer all of your samples and banks etc to the new storage but once you've done that you'll have a more reliable and more easily-expanded internal storage.
+--- 115880122
+>>115880108
+>because of that your sampler will only see either the internal storage or the newly added hard drive.
+*at any one time
+--- 115881322
+>>115874941
+how about you search "fl studio beginner tutorial" on youtube
+--- 115881441
+>>115857528
+A mix of everything desu. There's basically 3 ways of doing it, just the order of the steps changes:
+1. learn by ear
+2. figure out chords
+3. transcribe them to sheet
+or
+1. Learn from songbook (mostly chord diagrams)
+2. Hear how different chord progressions sound.
+3. Apply same progressions to other songs.
+4. Use different voicings for those chords
+or
+1. Learn from sheet music transcript (notes, mostly melodies)
+2. Learn different rhythmic and melodic patterns.
+3. Apply those patterns to other songs by transposition.
+--- 115881456
+https://vocaroo.com/1gUbGSWFRZ72
+Le epic cringe lyrics
+--- 115881724
+i knw this is stupid, and i know its played out to post about this on 4chan, but i dont even read other boards, the rest o them are packed full of fucking idiots. this one's good. im not looking fro solace, but im going to kill myself. i got everything i need to do it right here tonight, and im going to in after i make sure everything in order. i dont want to make anyone here feel uncomfortable or wierd.. i have shared loads of music w you guys over the years and had a good time. i just thought it was right to let u guys know. i hope that anyone here who wants i twill make it, i know u can you alwys sounded real good. night guys
+--- 115881761
+>>115876177
+It's the same gunshot three times
+--- 115881890
+>>115881724
+>giving up before he makes it
+ngmi with that attitude. also inb4 someone makes a song about you. jokes aside though, as someone that's been there my best advice is to keep searching in life for that reason to live. if you want it, it will come to you my friend. however, what you choose is what you choose and I wish you the best of luck. I hope the next one is better.
+--- 115881940
+learned how important low passing white noise is. Still, getting good keys to reverb for the pattern is the new difficulty...
+--- 115882530
+>>115876233
+Exemplary sound and mixing but boring arrangement. Sorry bro
+--- 115882624
+>>115881724
+We'll miss you. Good riddance.
+--- 115883594
+>>115872989
+why downsample your music if you're not going to release to CD but only streaming/download?
+wouldnt rendering out your project in a higher sampler rate help with foldback and aliasing if you use a lot of saturation or compression, and some of them lack functions for oversampling?
+--- 115883731
+Made this unmastered bit today:
+https://voca.ro/1QFeYwfVi0b4
+I've been struggling with mixing as I don't have monitors nowadays. I got a plugin to flatten the EQ curve in my Beyerdynamics, and am currently trying to figure out how to mix without being entirely oblivious to what is actually going on. Idk if I can trust the plugin though...
+Rabbit hole never ends.
+Went for a sort of jazz vibe.
+--- 115883851
+>>115875660
+>https://vocaroo.com/16BgaRL7Zruv
+This is cool! I kinda hoped I was gonna be blasted by the intro bass riff at some point. Like make it even louder and more in your face.
+Was kinda sketched out by the snare sound, but it's cool that you vary the processing. Felt like it could be a tad snappier and perhaps a tiny bit louder.
+I also like the pads and synth fx that come and go - the contrast between narrowing and widening the stereo field keeps things interesting
+--- 115884183
+>>115855822 (OP)
+I haven't found anything saying the Internet Archive is to be removed. Stop gaslighting me.
+--- 115884641
+Is the guy who was remaking The Final Cut still here? Do you by chance have a link to the Vocaroo of your version of the title track?
+--- 115884654
+https://soundcloud.com/criticalfailure
+any opinions?
+--- 115884655
+>>115884641
+https://youtu.be/-VTJe7bNTwg?t=1920 [Embed]
+--- 115885325
+>>115874941
+"In the Mix" on YouTube is excellent.
+--- 115885437
+>>115876745
+Mm, the hyphen is too much.
+PROduce is better, but it reminds me of PROdouche, which is not good.
+>>115876986
+Yeah, learning pieces helps build your musical vocabulary just like reading good literature affects your word choice. That guy is an idiot, or has a low level of what he deems acceptable, like a baby babbling until something good comes out of its mouth.
+>>115881724
+Please don't. Life is always evolving and changing. Push through the shit and you'll experience things that you never imagined you would.
+>>115882530
+qt
+--- 115886344
+https://voca.ro/1gy1FObWSAcs
+first attempt, still fuguring out
+--- 115889126
+bump
+--- 115890060
+>>115872192
+I don't really think we're disagreeing here big guy Pop chord book (Beatles in particular like I suggested) will cover that. Chords before scales so they can contextualize and have a grip on keys when they really start digging into scales.
+--- 115890138
+I'm exhausted and have no time to work on music, any advice welcome
+https://vocaroo.com/1dskYHmiw74a
+>>115886344
+Cool, sounds like vaporwave but not sampled? Also these snares sound kinda off?
+Now slow it down basically, and add delay and phaser/flanger/chorus and loop it. And you have vaporwave :DDD
+--- 115890308
+>>115886344
+cool loop/sample but whatever your doing with the drums is way off. way too loud and doesn't line up with the sample drums. Either that or your'e filling every single beat between the sample drums with a fucking snare. Idk sounds bad, everything else good.
+Try to only subtly beef up what the original drums are doing, maybe a more constant hihat so it feels like its picking up/ going somewhere.
+There I s fun trick to be used here. Notice how the drum machine loop he shows at 1:20 become the base of the song, and the actual drums at 13:08 only strengthen and complement them.
+https://youtu.be/hskDnpfyW84 [Embed]
+Full song for context-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfZYfM1RxAw
+--- 115891124
+>>115855822 (OP)
+What do you guys think of this?
+https://vocaroo.com/15EqEE6c5tBL
+--- 115891215
+>>115883594
+No because the saturation plugins should be oversampling and filtering to avoid introducing aliasing into playback. The render should sound identical. We just remove the 8 bits of headroom because we don't need 140+dB of headroom for listening. 16 bits covers that fine.
+You should look into how oversampling works if you're concerned. Dan Worrel has some good content on YT that covers this stuff well.
+--- 115892069
+Is there any non-esoteric reason to prefer a analogue synthesizer over a digital one? I want to buy a Studiologic Sledge.
+--- 115892490
+>>115891215
+not every plugin has oversampling or ultrasonic filters though? reaper can manuallly force OS or alleviate it by increasing the sample rate as far as i understand
+--- 115893236
+How do you learn a DAW without getting frustrated?
+I feel this insane man vs. machine disconnect when I try to produce.
+I'm using Ableton but I don't believe it's Ableton's fault. But everything just feels clunky and finicky to me. I want to scroll from left to right on the timeline, it starts fucking zooming in and shit cause i minimally move my mouse up/down as I move it to the side. I wanna make the piano roll larger because it's ant sized, but it just ends up making it "wider", but the notes are still all match stick thin. I get fucking frustrated (not in a ragey way, but in a way that takes the wind out of my sails) and all inspiration I had to make music leaves me. God damn it. Everything just feels so clunky operating a DAW.
+--- 115893254
+Hey, how do you change the melody of a vocal line and make it sound natural? I am afraid i gotta pitch it too high which makes it sound weird
+--- 115893395
+>>115893236
+Most of the GUI actions are in the earlier sections of the manual, but here's a couple of ones you know and maybe one or two that you don't.
+>1. You can set the overall GUI size/scaling in the preferences under "Look Feel -> Zoom Display"
+>2. Image related for both re-sizing the piano roll and the audio edit window, and for both horizontal and vertical zooming
+--- 115893583
+>>115893236
+>I want to scroll from left to right on the timeline
+use shift+mousewheel
+--- 115893849
+>>115893236
+Fl studio is shit. Everything is counter intuitive. You gotta learn all the shortcuts, its the only way
+--- 115894008
+>>115893395
+Oh thanks for the image, didn't know you could also operate it from the side
+>>115893583
+Yea I did find that out eventually, but these lil things keep happening to me and makes me feel like I'm wrestling with technology rather than using a tool. Wish I could skip the interfacing learning process cause it fucks with my music making.
+--- 115894477
+>>115894008
+just stop whining and go on practicing. It is hard for everybody in the beginning and you need to have patience. You also need to have fun. See the features of ableton as possibilities, not as something you need to use or you should use. If you have a certain sound in mind, something you like and want to emulate, and you then try to make it happen with ableton, you will make progress and you will develop your own style, but you will never be able to use anything your DAW can do.
+--- 115894647
+https://vocaroo.com/12EQ17pnWZe7
+Any thoughts on where to go from here song composition-wise?
+--- 115895094
+Been sampling all day on Ableton. Its the best! Really improved, I can't believe you make a cut and there's no issues. I am using zero hardware and killing it.
+--- 115896190
+Learning songs by ear is so goddamn frustrating, feels like I haven't made progress since I started.
+--- 115896206
+>>115896190
+what's the purpose of learning it all?
+isn't being able to play along more useful?
+--- 115896388
+>>115896206
+I'm not sure why so many people think it's necessary. I could play anything I heard on the radio and any pop-music-level song when I was 8 years old and couldn't understand then how people could not do it. I know lots of great musicians that can't do that at all. Actually hardly anyone can do it, I never met anybody that can do it on the level I can, but I'm not a better musician because of that.
+--- 115896433
+>>115896388
+Are you one of those people that sit on Omegle and have people tell you what song they want you to play?
+>but I'm not a better musician because of that.
+Yeah, nah. If you can do what you say, you absolutely are a better musician because of it. If you can play what you physically hear, you should be able to play what you hear in your imagination. I'm assuming you do this easily and without hunting and pecking/hitting wrong notes chords while working things out.
+--- 115896484
+>>115896433
+>Are you one of those people that sit on Omegle and have people tell you what song they want you to play?
+no... I used to do it at parties though, but I don't show off at all anymore, feels shitty when you improve and look back at it later
+>you absolutely are a better musician because of it.
+I don't think so. Music for me is just a system, I recognice patterns. I started thinking about sound much later in my life. As a kid I would acutally record Game Boy music on cassette and listen to it in my walkman, and later and even now I'm very forgiving to bad sounding music if it has some nice chord changes or melodic devices in it. So, I'm not a great musician by any means, maybe I'm a good composer and arranger, but I know people who can't play by ear at all but have a great tone and can jam.
+--- 115896736
+>>115896206
+I want to become better at making music by doing so, I don't have a vocabulary and Idk what to play. Learning scales and chords hasn't helped at all. So now I want to learn songs.
+--- 115896788
+>>115896484
+Composers/arrangers are muscians too...
+Pattern recognition at that level is a skill.
+>>115896736
+Great call, fren.
+Scales and chords are like words; after learning those you need to read actual work to get a feel for how to use them.
+I would also recommend learning pieces via sheet music as well, but learning by ear definitely forces you to internalize what you're learning more than just reading sheets.
+--- 115896847
+>>115896788
+>Composers/arrangers are muscians too...
+yeah, true. That's why I want to use my skill to do something good. Others should do just the same, don't focus on stuff you can't do, focus on the things you can do and share them with the world. If you can't play by ear, you will probably never learn it.
+--- 115896954
+>>115896847
+>If you can't play by ear, you will probably never learn it.
+This is absolute bullshit, bruh. I imagine 99% could learn if they really wanted to.
+I ~can~ play be ear, but my accuracy isn't 100% because it's not a skill that I exercise. I'm sure I could improve it if I were just to pay more attention to what I'm doing.
+--- 115897003
+>>115896954
+you can improve if you have a certain skill to start with. But if you don't even grasp the concept of playing by ear you should focus on something else.
+--- 115897629
+https://vocaroo.com/11yBwdy0UwaW
+I killed off a load of the top end like some anon suggested and played with the arrangement a bit, again, critique is very appreciated
+--- 115897974
+>>115861042
+MOBW
+I know u asked a specific question idc fuck u, sounds a bit like a dungeon tune that is lacking the body and the non-musicality of dungeon, theres a synth that plays on the drop, starts on the off beat, it sounds super cheesy, like Coki steppers cheesy, i'd lose it at least until later in the tune.
+Like i said, play into that techno-esque, non musical feel of dungeoun more and this tune will make more sense to the ear. Percs are spot on imo, very inoffensive, just enough to carry the idea of the tune without disrupting anything. It's rare that people post good dubstep here. cool man
+also, very very very slightly too much chorus yeah, a hair
+--- 115900004
+>>115858744
+very homosexual, anon. do u like willies, anon? i bet you do, anon.
+--- 115901046
+>>115900004
+depends, are they feminine?
+--- 115901673
+>>115901046
+no
+--- 115901847
+https://vocaroo.com/1on9U0KfPUlo
+wip, feel its missing that special something,, lemme kbow how the mix is xx
+--- 115903962
+>>115855822 (OP)
+https://voca.ro/15EqEE6c5tBL
+thoughts?
+--- 115905210
+>>115870877
+Messed around with contact mics today
+https://vocaroo.com/15wCGbzacCbr
+Not much yet but I'd like to do more with this. Good foundation I think
+>>115871268
+I live in Toronto so I literally have no excuse. Moving to Montreal in September, at which point I'm going to force myself to start acting like a person. Til then you can call me tinker bell
+--- 115907077
+>>115893236
+You ditch the daw and go full hardware
+--- 115907611
+Is there a website where I can just download VST3s without an email adress and a standalone program? I just want a god damn guitar in a DAW I don't want to dox myself to a botnet.
+--- 115909169
+>>115858744
+This is great! The strings and the trumpet/synth that hit with the percussion are choice, it has a very wistful feeling to it. Beaut of a voice too
+>>115901847
+This is WILD, the beatswitch is insane and the drone and vocal samples are very well. I think maybe a little more definition in the upper range could help but desu it sounds pretty solid as-is. Is there a name I can find this under?
+>>115903962
+Very danceable, the drums are my favorite part. The bass is a little muddy until about :23 seconds in but otherwise this has a good feel to it, kina Oingo-Boingo-esqe. I keep waiting for Elfman to come in
+>>115905210
+Very textured, but its hard to judge with how abstract it is. Give it some bouncy kicks and make it a house track or something?
+I feel ambitious about the wall of sound and chords here, but do let me know if anything is too loud in the mix
+https://vocaroo.com/14MWam4tckYb
+--- 115909224
+>>115909169
+I fucked up the link in this one so im reposting it verbatim till i can delete it
+>>115858744 #
+This is great! The strings and the trumpet/synth that hit with the percussion are choice, it has a very wistful feeling to it. Beaut of a voice too
+>>115901847 #
+This is WILD, the beatswitch is insane and the drone and vocal samples are very well. I think maybe a little more definition in the upper range could help but desu it sounds pretty solid as-is. Is there a name I can find this under?
+>>115903962 #
+Very danceable, the drums are my favorite part. The bass is a little muddy until about :23 seconds in but otherwise this has a good feel to it, kina Oingo-Boingo-esqe. I keep waiting for Elfman to come in
+>>115905210 #
+Very textured, but its hard to judge with how abstract it is. Give it some bouncy kicks and make it a house track or something?
+I feel ambitious about the wall of sound and chords here, but do let me know if anything is too loud in the mix
+https://vocaroo.com/1c7x8ntODVQ9
+--- 115909539
+in the idea phase still. might slow down the bpm on the second recording
+https://vocaroo.com/1lFv0tl0tFo4
+--- 115909811
+If I go the Vektroid/Blank Banshee route and just release my shit on bandcamp, can I literally just sample whatever the fuck I want without clearing them?
+--- 115911366
+I hope you guys enjoy this
+https://voca.ro/18Xtlahq3Sdg
+--- 115911445
+>>115911366
+--- 115911604
+>>115907611
+ah, good ole avaxhome, sketchy but did i ever get a shitton of vsts
+--- 115911614
+I am once again asking you to listen to my rock song. vocals are to be written and added. it is not really mixed, thoughts on just the song itself?
+https://voca.ro/1lbia1ja66yq
+>>115875660
+I say it is a nice track but deserves some saturation and low-passing to make it sound darker, it sounds a little DAW-y right now.
+but nice work and proper use of samples.
+I dont know if its a stylistic choice but the snare sample has very little release, is there something you can do with that to make it more, not natural, but conventional?
+>>115876233
+This seems like some form of 80s revival. the bass synth needs saturation and darkening, perhaps replacement with another plugin that is closer to the original sound. Nice backing chords, I respect your ability to actually say something with them and building tension. Nice phrasing anon. just paint it with a lead melody and work on giving the mix a more period-accurate feel.
+>>115876944
+that's tricky, because even a real ensemble can sound a bit weird in a monophonic context. maybe monophony isnt precisely what you are looking for. When I toyed with orchestral plugins I found what helped was arduously playing with dynamics, it was no fun but the end result was sorta impressive.
+>>115883731
+this is sorta haunting but the sax/breath/brush snare thing sorta weirds me out. the tonal ambiguity is really amazing though. I say your main focus could be instrumentation. preserve what is going on it the back but your lead melody needs to picks sides. I cant tell if its on the natural side of things like a voice or more like a dodgy lead like in an Arca song that does weird shit and sounds artificial.
+>>115911366
+I fucking love this. Did you write this or just sample it. it is LITERALLY a beach boys song. reminds me of "shes goin bald" if animal collective covered it.
+--- 115911617
+>>115909811
+no
+>bandcamp
+have warnings about that shit.
+i have old cassette mixes that would be fun to share but they're so full of everything that it's a copyrights complete nightmare
+--- 115911969
+>>115911614
+>I fucking love this. Did you write this or just sample
+It's my arrangement of this:
+https://youtu.be/8F2jf0NRl2Y [Embed]
+--- 115912000
+>>115911617
+then how does goreshit have all their stuff up there for example? most of his albums are heavily sample based
+--- 115912036
+>>115912000
+They might not give a fuck, no idea if or how bandcamp enforces their rules
+--- 115912160
+>>115911969
+Im super sorry anon, I was actually referring to >>115909539
+I accidentally replied to you
+--- 115913045
+>>115911617
+We need to bring back rave tapes lads
+--- 115915719
+this shit got some cool video game ambience to it
+https://vocaroo.com/1bhRTVl6dEIQ
+--- 115915816
+>>115915719
+nagger bass nd trap hats. i wish u wud haf warnd me.
+--- 115915845
+>>115915816
+do u need a hug
+--- 115915912
+>>115915719
+melodic suggestion for you anon
+https://vocaroo.com/1iUhmhFZV27J
+--- 115916638
+>>115915912
+no fart into the mic 0/10
+--- 115916755
+>>115915845
+Probably. Haven't had one since my friend got married (10 years ago) and I got a hug like everyone else when congratulating the bride... Maybe only have had 3 hugs from non-family members in my four decades of life.
+--- 115916893
+>>115916755
+--- 115916903
+>>115916638
+darn I really missed an opportunity there
+--- 115917036
+>>115916893
+Thank you, anon.
+>>115915719
+Sorry. The atmosphere is cool, I'm just not a fan of blown out 808 bass lines and trap hats. I love late 90s/00s videogame music though.
+--- 115917099
+>>115855822 (OP)
+As long as they keep Johnny Rebel on there I don't give a fuck.
+--- 115917326
+>>115917036
+>Sorry. The atmosphere is cool, I'm just not a fan of blown out 808 bass lines and trap hats
+ok cool nigga? I will admit the bass is comically blown out and only sounds good on my headphones
+>>115915912
+I love it bro but do you want another synth to play that on top or do you want me to change the sole synth line to that?
+--- 115917420
+>>115911366
+it feels like bass and guitar are not playing the same song
+--- 115917504
+>>115917326
+i want you to buy some glowsticks and tape them to a small battery voice recorder, hit record, put a blindfold on, spin around and throw that bitch into the woods, then remove your shoes and make gutteral screaming noises while you stumble and trip around the woods looking for the thing, once you find it i want u to hold it in your mouth then sprint full tilt into a tree, then stop the recording, load that bitch into akaizer and time stretch it down like 40%, pitch it down a bit, load it into the daw, and just upload that. thanks anon
+--- 115917520
+>>115855822 (OP)
+>Internet Archive about to be removed, anons.
+It's not though. Why are you trying to gaslight people?
+--- 115917852
+>>115855822 (OP)
+>Internet Archive about to be removed
+are ya fucking serious? why?
+--- 115918215
+>>115917504
+I would like to hear this as well
+--- 115918935
+i can't mix to save my life
+--- 115919159
+>>115918935
+who is threatening you life?
+--- 115919177
+>>115919159
+I am. He manages to evade me every day, but I am getting closer.

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+-----
+--- 115860585
+This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.
+>How do I get into classical?
+This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
+https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFh
+Old >>115748160 →
+--- 115860807
+Let's settle it once and for all:
+Who is the best conductor for Mahler? If you could have only one for his entire corpus.
+--- 115861005
+>>115860807
+mahler himself, dumbass
+--- 115862040
+>>115861005
+Yeah let me just whip out the recordings of Mahler.
+--- 115862141
+>>115860807
+Walter.
+--- 115862220
+>>115862040
+sure.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHP46f_ClCc [Embed]
+--- 115862253
+>>115862220
+Nothing like a piano reduction of a symphony, aye?
+--- 115862264
+>>115862253
+should have said more than just "recordings of mahler" and "best conductor" if you wanted someone who had recordings of their conducting, condescending faggot.
+--- 115862295
+>>115862264
+Yeah it's not like I didn't already specify conducting. How about I condescend to your fucking fat mother's vagina?
+--- 115862297
+>>115862295
+specified it the first time, not the second. cry about it.
+--- 115862330
+>>115860807
+If I could keep only one set, it would probably be Gielen's.
+--- 115862345
+>>115862330
+incredible stupidity
+--- 115862529
+>>115862297
+What the fuck? You got caught being retarded and you’re trying to weasel out of it. How do you know that Mahler was the best conductor of Mahler even? I mean we can assume, but it’s not like you’ve seen him doing it. Anon called you out for bullshit and now you’re trying to get out of it by posting a recording of… not conducting? Fucking retard lol
+--- 115862531
+Granados
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dEIIihn-Ds [Embed]
+--- 115862610
+>>115862529
+>How do you know that Mahler was the best conductor of Mahler even?
+a very reasonable assumption based on his own interpretation of his music. it takes little imagination to extrapolate how the most important opera conductor of vienna at the turn of the century might have sounded just based off his own sloppy piano playing. such an idiot.
+--- 115862924
+Rachmaninoff's vespers is the greatest sacred music work ever written
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfDreatXYeU [Embed]
+--- 115863630
+>>115862220
+>>115862264
+>>115862264
+>>115861005
+least retarded /mu/ user
+>>115860807
+Walter
+--- 115863641
+>>115863630
+most retarded idiot
+--- 115863875
+Bach
+https://youtu.be/GeLr4at9kq8?t=573 [Embed]
+--- 115865275
+speaking of Walter why did no one ever rec me his 1956 recording of Mozart's requiem, it's incredible
+--- 115867192
+Handel
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMt1hkkiSv8 [Embed]
+--- 115867866
+How does this make you feel?
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UD9naHajk8 [Embed]
+--- 115868667
+mozart
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h71c4u_95P8 [Embed]
+--- 115869287
+>>115868667
+God the fortepiano sounds so fucking ugly
+--- 115869371
+>>115867866
+>sad tim pool
+--- 115869381
+>>115867192
+/classical/ frequently gets filtered by Handel
+--- 115870853
+"[Handel] is the only person I would wish to see before I die, and the only person I would wish to be, were I not Bach." - J. S. Bach
+And when Mozart heard this:
+"Truly, I would say the same myself if I were permitted to put in a word"
+"Handel understands effect better than any of us -- when he chooses, he strikes like a thunderbolt... though he often saunters, in the manner of his time, this is always something there." - Mozart
+Upon hearing the 'Hallelujah Chorus' from Messiah, Joseph Haydn is said to have "wept like a child" and exclaimed: "He is the master of us all."
+"Handel is the greatest composer that ever lived... I would uncover my head and kneel down on his tomb." - Beethoven
+Beethoven, when asked to name the greatest composer ever, he is said to have responded: "Handel, to him I bow the knee."
+In 1819, Beethoven told Archduke Rudolph: "not to forget Handel's works, as they always offer the best nourishment for your ripe musical mind, and will at the same time lead to admiration for this great man."
+"Händel is the greatest and ablest of all composers; from him I can still learn." - Beethoven on his deathbed
+--- 115872519
+>>115868667
+>Gardiner
+Talentless hack.
+--- 115873223
+>>115870853
+>The prosecutors have built an astonishing record. Several of Handel's works consist largely - in extreme cases, almost entirely - of systematic "borrowings", as they are euphemistically called. Israel in Egypt is among them. Of its twenty-eight choruses, eleven were based on pieces by other composers, some of them practically gobbled up whole. Three of the plagues choruses were based on a single cantata by Alessandro Stradella, a Roman composer whose music Handel encountered during his prentice years.
+>More recently it has been discovered that no fewer than seven major works composed between 1733 and 1738 draw extensively on the scores of three old operas by Alessandro Scarlatti that Handel had borrowed from Jennens.
+>Perhaps Handel's most brazen appropriation involved the "Grand Concertos" (concerti grossi), op. 6. They were composed in september and october of 1739 and rely heavily for thematic ideas on harpsichord compositions by Domenico Scarlatti, which had been published in London the year before.
+>One of his critics was Johann Mattheson who openly and angrily accused Handel of copping a melody from one of his operas. Another was Jennens, who wrote to a friend that he had just received a shipment of music from Italy, and that "Handel has borrow'd a dozen of the pieces &amp; I dare say I shall catch him stealing from them; as I have formerly, both from Scarlatti &amp; Vinci".
+>Sure enough, Handel rewrote the passages he had borrowed for his own recent operas so as to obscure his indebtedness to Vinci's. If the old defense - that borrowing carried no stigma - were correct, there would have been no reason for Handel to cover his tracks. And that may also explain why, of all the borrowings securely imputed to him, Handel altered the ones he made from Domenico Scarlatti the most. It may well have been because, of all the music he borrowed, Scarlatti's keyboard pieces were most likely to be recognized by the members of his own public
+--- 115874398
+Piazzolla
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQNHMUWASxE [Embed]
+--- 115876488
+bump
+--- 115876522
+Mikrokosmos arrived. The stuff at the very start is simpler than the etudes I've been messing with yesterday, but I'll play through everything at least once or twice in tempo.
+--- 115878766
+>>115863875
+happy christmas to you too
+--- 115880209
+>>115872519
+I like most of his vocal recordings.
+--- 115880764
+>>115860807
+Abbado
+--- 115880834
+>>115880764
+repugnant refuse
+--- 115881186
+>>115860807
+Chailly. Haitink 2nd.
+--- 115881582
+If I like a song and find out it's part of a 40 minute sonata, am I fucked or are there shorter versions for parts?
+I might just cut/fade it.
+--- 115881608
+>>115881582
+not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
+--- 115881694
+>>115881608
+>typing like he's on a phone
+Very classical of you.
+--- 115881703
+>>115881694
+not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
+--- 115883387
+Schumann
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYlI5bQycHQ [Embed]
+--- 115883968
+I am somewhat new to classical, and when I go to concerts I notice my attention is slipping frequently. My thoughts just wander off and I don't actively follow the music.
+Is this normal?
+Also I noticed that I seem to focus on the music better when I close my eyes, so I stop trying to follow the orchestra visually and just let myself be "surprised" by music.
+Is this autism?
+--- 115884052
+>>115883968
+not a trve classical nerd like most here, but similar experiences for both
+--- 115884944
+>>115869381
+Normalfag but I usually listen to Messiah multiple times every year.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-QV_I-xseA [Embed]
+>>115872519
+He did my favorite Figaro recording by far.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxm0lkoSMU4 [Embed]
+And speaking of Bryn Terfel, I really like (((Mendelssohn's Elijah)))
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55iQWao-0FQ&amp;list=PLURlcnatieVLjXQGBK26MNYrp23iI4cxB [Embed]
+--- 115885242
+>>115860807
+Chailly has the best Mahler cycle, also with fantastic sound quality from the peak of the recording industry in the late 90s before it got destroyed by Napster and streaming
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Ouwdy_F7M [Embed]
+--- 115885247
+>>115883968
+1. The performances could be mediocre. The only reason I don't fall asleep when I go to a bar with a shitty band playing is that the music is cranked up so loud. Sometimes I'll vastly prefer different performances by two GOOD musicians, much less a mediocre one.
+2. You don't really understand the music. Personally, either I'm not smart enough of my ear never really got good enough to enjoy most classical music on first listen. I usually have to listen to music several times and pay attention to the structure to before I start to get it. Sometimes even have to watch an analysis of it, especially with later romantic and 20th century shit.
+Haydn
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eF0Q87zEWc [Embed]
+--- 115885358
+>>115867192
+>handel sonata with piano playing the bass
+--- 115885611
+Sometimes I find Czerny piano etudes strangely satisfying
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMRfApcMZcQ [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUsIeeVBq48 [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKJWfUTmZeQ [Embed]
+--- 115885708
+>>115885611
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OAK7uIvAHA [Embed]
+I think you'll like this, anon.
+--- 115885802
+>>115885611
+>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUsIeeVBq48 [Embed]
+has someone ever recorded something like this played with live real blast beat drums?
+just piano and drums, that would be wonderful
+--- 115885856
+something like the Motorhead Overkill beat would fit beautifully
+--- 115885977
+>>115885708
+kek
+not that autistic
+--- 115886025
+>>115885802
+YES i could tell it was an april's fool before i checked what do i win
+--- 115886240
+I just discovered the Chicago Brass Section, what are some good pieces to get totally blasted by that?
+https://youtu.be/CCQxOIE-g0I?t=1400 [Embed]
+--- 115886301
+>>115886240
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W-o5Y_GunU [Embed]
+Fountains of Rome, midday fountain is usually good but CSO is kinda lacking in their recording idk.. just don't feel enough tuba.
+--- 115887306
+Post bach arias that you like. Specific recordings would be nice.
+https://youtu.be/3wl2vdgIb-o?t=869 [Embed]
+Richter is king
+--- 115887585
+i want marin marais to tie a fret around me and play my frenulum like it's a figured bass line
+--- 115888104
+Wagner
+https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I8KRAWB7yck [Embed]
+--- 115890316
+bump ad modum tubae https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEcbGXy5kxw [Embed]
+--- 115890918
+>Martha Argerich is an Argentine classical concert pianist. Born and raised in Buenos Aires to Jewish-Spanish parents
+>Her friend pianist Daniel Barenboim stated that when he contacted the Argentinian president Mauricio Macri in 2016, asking him to accept Syrian refugees into the country, it was also on behalf of Argerich.[43]
+It's always a fucking jew
+--- 115890940
+https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oGUK9RzRvHE
+--- 115891649
+>>115887585
+Is that a fretless bass?
+--- 115892253
+>>115891649
+That's a bass range Viola da Gamba, it has frets but only in the upper part
+The instrument was generally played vertically, like a cello, with a bow, which you can see in his right hand.
+People used to think that painting was kind of a joke, playing a viola da gamba in guitar position, but it seems like it was common for the smaller ones, like tenor viola da gamba.
+a famous painting of the 1500s featuring that is Veronese's Wedding at Cana
+--- 115892659
+>>115887306
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBGTujNJ7h0 [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQY-LgVdJuE [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnY4G2Z57-Y [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypULrx72-DY [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjmYgRm7Ef0 [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKHHG3IQnac [Embed]
+--- 115892725
+https://youtu.be/Hh8vskF1k5c [Embed]
+his movements are so smooth
+--- 115892989
+>>115885247
+>>115883968
+Familiarize yourself with basic music theory and try to dissect what is happening at any point in a piece. Classical music can be difficult to appreciate without understanding the fundamentals first. Once you've grasped the basics you start to naturally listening for how a composer will play around with different ideas and how they each fit into a piece. Music theory for classical composition is surprisingly open-ended so you get a lot of variety with how you could apporach writing it, which makes it fun to try and figure out how one composer came up with something entirely unique using the same base building blocks as everybody else.
+--- 115893078
+I'm reorganizing my collection tomorrow. what is your tagging system?
+--- 115893233
+>>115891649
+It's the instrument the lady in blue is playing, these are all viola da gambas of different range
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tL1FjrC2ic&amp;list=RD0tL1FjrC2ic&amp;start_radio=1 [Embed]
+This is my favorite version of Bach's Passacaglia, even if the performers are hobbists and the harpsichord basso continuo can't be heard at all
+--- 115893878
+>>115893233
+Gambists were always hobbysts who looked down on professional musicians.
+--- 115894720
+Beethoven
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI--cfRW7dk [Embed]
+--- 115895687
+>>115892659
+Nice. I always preferred the slower aria in 51. Never listened to 114, i like that one a lot
+https://youtu.be/m5i0rO0Z-wo?list=PLwa0pjRQ9jDQgi02wyJoOwGMWtplcQIuz&amp;t=213 [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/rWY02RC2LSQ?list=PLwa0pjRQ9jDQgi02wyJoOwGMWtplcQIuz&amp;t=1 [Embed]
+--- 115895842
+>>115883968
+imagine it's you playing/conducting the piece in front of a bunch of impressed friends
+--- 115896861
+arvo part - symphony no.4
+anything by mahler
+--- 115896939
+>>115883968
+Try to follow the music more. If it helps to close your eyes, just do that. I do this as well when the audience annoys me. Your instincts are right though. All composers are autistic.
+--- 115896990
+>>115885242
+>>115862141
+>>115863630
+For some reason I didn't have Walter (age is a factor here) and Chailly, I'm downloading and will report back if they're better than Abbado. Somebody here recommended Bertini and he's pretty based as well.
+--- 115897025
+>>115896990
+Can't hear the bells ringing at the end of No.2 for Walter so in the trash he goes.
+--- 115897343
+lets get some actually interesting music in this thread instead of the same old harmonies we have been listening to for the past 400 years
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPPsn8Nbei8 [Embed]
+--- 115897425
+>>115897343
+more interesting than good
+--- 115897490
+>>115883968
+are you white?
+--- 115897686
+>>115897425
+its phenomenal right? How about some Bartok
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78Ik7hUcK4s [Embed]
+--- 115898983
+>>115897343
+--- 115899247
+https://robertgreenbergmusic.com/download/richard-wagner-music/
+--- 115899331
+>>115899247
+thank you sister
+--- 115899445
+Which composers are objectively good? I'm afraid everything I enjoy might actually be shit.
+--- 115899456
+>>115892989
+>Familiarize yourself with basic music theory
+I've already done that, I think? Read a few books and articles on music theory, been taught music history in school (especially recognising forms and styles).
+>try to dissect what is happening at any point in a piece
+Does that include recognising the tonality and specific chords? I can hear that a part is more sombre or more tense and such stuff...
+>>115895842
+I stopped doing that a decade ago. I like gesturing while listening to classical at home though, but only for stuff I've already heard previously a few times.
+>>115896939
+>Your instincts are right though. All composers are autistic.
+I don't see how those two things are connected. The autism might be found only in myself.
+--- 115900629
+Strauss
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTEkFI6iHsY [Embed]
+--- 115900815
+>>115899445
+Just stick to Bach to be really safe. He has enough pieces anyway.
+--- 115901602
+>>115860807
+Walter before his heart attack is the easy choice if we're speaking strictly interpretively. His New York 1st, 2nd, and 5th are really fantastic despite their issues of sound quality. The really frustrating thing about the 2nd symphony is that it actually sounds like good early stereo for the first 4 movements and then sounds really bad in the last movement for whatever reason. They must have recorded the movements seperately and that one had shitty mics.
+--- 115901631
+>>115890918
+Most famous performers of classical are Jewish, period. Well, these days it's mostly Asians, but in the past it was mostly Jews.
+--- 115902245
+has anyone ever surpassed Richter's WTC on piano?
+--- 115902360
+>>115902245
+Fischer, Richter is too robotic
+--- 115903733
+Handel
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSbTfDb4u4A [Embed]
+--- 115903790
+>>115893878
+rightfully so, imagine doing music professionally lmao
+--- 115903832
+>>115897686
+try Copland before he sold out
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJec1XdObNg [Embed]
+--- 115903939
+>>115892989
+I've been playing piano for 30 years, have a BA in Music Theory, have written a full piano sonata in classical style and used to write fugues for fun. My mind still wanders at classical concerts if the music is unfamiliar and doesn't have a hook I enjoy. The best way to improve my chances of enjoying a classical concert is to listen to the program ahead of time and learn as much about the works as I can. This is somewhat less true for the baroque and classical eras. But late romantic and 20th century tend to be very challenging for me without preparation.
+--- 115904140
+>>115883968
+I just go to concerts to sleep, anon. You should too if you value your physical and mental health.
+--- 115907015
+why is /classical/ so dead now
+i miss all my classical frens :(
+--- 115907095
+>>115907015
+maybe people had kids
+--- 115908238
+>>115902360
+thank you hisster sister
+--- 115908301
+can someone recommend me a minor key piano fugue with a cool theme that is not too hard to play and where the last voice sets in very "satisfyingly" in the bass?
+the other voice(s) shouldn't stop while the last voice sets in like in bwv 847 for example.
+--- 115908670
+>>115860807
+What's the verdict on Bernstein's?
+--- 115908704
+>>115908670
+total trash
+--- 115908787
+Maybe not the right place, but what are people's thoughts on Apple's new classical music app?
+[spoiler]If that's off topic, then tell me about the last classical concert you went to[/spoiler]
+--- 115909632
+>>115898983
+Kek.
+--- 115909660
+>>115902360
+Based. But to be fair they're the two greatest recordings of the piece.
+--- 115909682
+>>115908787
+It's not off topic, people have been mentioning it lately. Apparently it's fairly good.
+--- 115910184
+Unironically, what is this? I have never heard anything similar.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHLoHZY4yGw [Embed]
+--- 115910220
+>>115899456
+>Does that include recognising the tonality and specific chords?
+More or less. Just listen beyond how it makes you feel and try to mentally deconstruct how the components that make up the piece you're listening to. Like is the harmony/melody leading up to somewhere or is it wallowing in place? What are the dynamics in different sections? How are individual voices playing into each other. etc.?
+There is obviously more nuance to it but the more you intently listen, the more naturally the pattern recognition process will become. Also read the sheet music of the music you like and figure out what the composer did during certain sections that made it sound good.
+>>115903939
+>My mind still wanders at classical concerts if the music is unfamiliar and doesn't have a hook I enjoy
+No shit, if I don't particularly enjoy a piece, i will zone out too, but that goes for any music, not just classical. Mozart occasionally lost interest at his own rehearsals to sperg out and go full cat-boy mode and he was a savant, skill level doesn't say anything about whether you'll enjoy something.
+--- 115910614
+>>115899247
+Worth reading?
+--- 115910764
+>>115910614
+not at all
+--- 115911035
+>>115910184
+Listen to polytonal music, especially American, lots of augmented harmonies which tend to crop up in that style
+--- 115911142
+Charles Ives - A son of a gambolier (probably written when he was a student at Yale University).
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow1dznt-RrU [Embed]
+--- 115911161
+>>115911142
+more interesting than good
+--- 115911309
+>>115910764
+Damn, Greenberg got obliterated.
+--- 115911494
+Which Romantic-or-earlier composers, if revived today, would enjoy rock music?
+--- 115911801
+>>115911494
+not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
+--- 115912245
+>[Labelname] and Sons
+--- 115912772
+>>115873223
+So he was Baroque Led Zeppelin?
+--- 115912884
+>>115911801
+Anon! >>115912772 Anon! >>115912772 Post your super funny post totally-not-autistic-anon!
+--- 115912906
+>>115912772
+not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
+>>115912884
+not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
+--- 115912974
+do you split your .cue files?
+--- 115914519
+>>115910220
+>No shit, if I don't particularly enjoy a piece, i will zone out too
+Yeah well my point is more that if I went to a concert and heard Stravinsky's Symphony of Psalms for the first time there's a good chance I wouldn't follow it at all. But ever since I spent 6 months in a choir practicing it and learning about it, I'd have no problem paying attention to a live performance.
+More generally, there's definitely skill involved when it comes to recognizing forms and their implications. To really appreciate a work in sonata form you should be able to identify the themes, recognize variations and distinguish them from transitions. To get the most out of a fugue you should be able to hear the subject when it's diminished, augmented, backwards or upside-down. This gets harder with late romantic and 20th century symphonies.
+--- 115914666
+>>115901631
+Not really
+--- 115914836
+>>115908787
+Has anyone tried IDAGIO? It's another classical music app.
+--- 115914900
+>>115914836
+yeah i tried that one but just the free version and it's extremely limited with annoying ads
+--- 115915070
+>>115914900
+Screw that then. I'll just wait for the Apple Classical one to come to android.
+--- 115915559
+>Live in a big city
+>Can only listen to post-1800 music live
+I'll take what I can get, but I'd kill to be able to hear high quality Bach arrangements https://youtu.be/bXwHORPeOsg [Embed]
+--- 115915789
+>>115914836
+I used both and apple is better. The Idagio app is so slow that I would need 2 minutes to go from starting the search to listening. Idagio also had less recordings last time I used it.
+>>115915559
+in Germany it's almost the other way around. Seems like every town has their own Bachverein and if you want to hear some organ just go to church and the organist will most likely play Bach.
+--- 115915969
+Classical guitar history
+>The guitar was not a respectable instrument, until Fernando Sor made it into one
+>The guitar was not a respectable instrument before Dionisio Aguado, who was responsible for elevating the instrument's status
+>Before Tarrega, the guitar was seen as a popular or folk instrument. He brought it to the concert stage
+>Segovia was responsible for single-handedly popularizing the guitar on concert settings. Before Segovia, there was no classical guitar
+Is the historiography fucked up or does this thing get a reboot every time someone picks it up?
+--- 115916141
+>>115915969
+It just means that classical guitar is still not a respectable instrument.
+--- 115916295
+Meaningless question, but do you ever binge various movements from different pieces rather than listening to a single work continuously, and if so how often? More in regards to long pieces like symphonies and such, not groups of things like preludes or studies.
+--- 115916443
+bjorling
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPEG914GATk [Embed]
+--- 115916841
+>>115915969
+classical guitarists were post-grunge shredders
+>practice all day every day to impress 50 people
+>overshadowed by every other kind of guitarist except in the eyes of classical guitarists
+>so little competition in the field that any of them who made it are considered greats
+>insist on needing a special guitar for their style of play
+>make boring music with excessive ornamentation, but lacking the complexity that made prior ornate music good
+--- 115916937
+>>115916841
+>>overshadowed by every other kind of guitarist except in the eyes of classical guitarists
+That makes no sense, it was instrument played by peasants in taverns.
+>insist on needing a special guitar for their style of play
+It was the only kind of guitar that existed, other than the extinct baroque one.
+--- 115916968
+>>115916937
+quite insipid
+--- 115917027
+>>115916443
+Wagner
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NauOM-tPRP4 [Embed]
+--- 115919174
+Schumann
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVUkJhEbJMk [Embed]

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+-----
+--- 115865386
+Payin/gg/ your last respects™ edition
+--- 115865423
+Reminder that these generals could be ok if mentioning
+>hee hee
+>cum
+>Brazil
+>nobody cares
+>samefag
+>google it and any other search engine
+>mountain of a man
+were banned
+--- 115865436
+What happened to the Wasting your lives poster?
+--- 115865483
+explorer or flying v?
+--- 115865959
+>>115865483
+Les Paul
+--- 115866055
+>>115865483
+always explorer
+--- 115866100
+>>115865483
+Reverse V
+--- 115866114
+>>115865436
+wasted away
+--- 115866285
+>>115865483
+explorin' v
+--- 115866524
+>>115865483
+I hate them both, but I like the headstocks
+--- 115867140
+I keep getting filtered by sweeps
+--- 115867441
+>>115865483
+walkin v
+--- 115867453
+Stratchads wya
+--- 115867507
+>>115865483
+explore her is the chad's pick
+--- 115867607
+>>115866100
+--- 115867681
+>>115865483
+FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
+SIIIIIIIIIIIION
+HA!
+--- 115868255
+>>115866285
+>>115867441
+i would rather listen to sam's bullshit than redditors
+--- 115868459
+Tubes are warming up
+--- 115868640
+>>115865483
+Why does the explorer look oddly comfy
+--- 115868686
+>>115867607
+in case you need a shovel as well as a guitar
+--- 115868710
+Gibson pickups are in but I only twist and taped them for now while I'm waiting on new pots to come in so I can play in the meantime. Had to fuckin drill out the pickup height screw holes in the new pickups since the screw was too big.
+--- 115868720
+>>115868710
+Oh forgot to add I put on a new bone nut too. That was a pain in the ass and took me all last night trying to figure out how to shim the bottom. I ended up using paper.
+--- 115869113
+Explain to me how Gibson isn't a rip off
+--- 115869120
+>>115869113
+search it up retard
+--- 115869142
+>>115869113
+>financing a guitar
+i fucking hate usury so god damn much bros
+--- 115869240
+>>115865483
+>>115865959
+>>115866055
+>>115866100
+>>115866524
+>>115867441
+>>115867507
+>>115867607
+>>115867681
+>>115868640
+>>115869113
+this is a bot
+>>115869113
+>>115868720
+>>115868710
+this is probably a bot too
+--- 115869252
+>this is a bot
+--- 115869293
+>>115869120
+Korina wood isn't worth $8000
+--- 115869379
+>>115868459
+champ 600 is overpriced
+--- 115869395
+>>115869379
+same
+--- 115869446
+>>115869252
+>the /gg/ chatbot posts wojacks
+>>115869293
+>>115869379
+>>115869395
+this chatbot is very organic hiro, totally believable
+>mfw
+--- 115869521
+>>115869379
+Maybe but I'm happy with it, I paid 270 and it came with upgraded tubes and speaker. It's loud enough for what I need
+--- 115869531
+>>115869379
+>>115869521
+Ssaammeeefffaaggg
+--- 115869643
+>>115869531
+ur mom is samefag, people discussing guitar in a guitar thread isn't some conspiracy you schizo.
+--- 115869661
+>>115868459
+it takes like 30 seconds max to warm up your tubes.
+--- 115869695
+>>115869661
+Maybe if you want thin, shitty, cold tone.
+--- 115869707
+>>115869661
+>30 seconds
+Pink Floyd had their tubes warming up for 3 days before recording Echoes.
+--- 115870037
+>>26533830
+bros
+--- 115870079
+How do I learn to remember which chord is which?
+--- 115870084
+>irrelevant question no one cares about or will answer
+--- 115870302
+>>115869707
+>65 fender twin
+yeah that amps ancient, modern amps will hit equilibrium in less than a half hour in most climates.
+>>115869695
+Highly depends on the amp. In general there is no need to wait.
+--- 115871174
+>>115870079
+this is another bot post
+>>115869643
+>4chan buzzwords
+recognizing this bot is so easy, whoever programmed it was lazy
+--- 115871183
+Licensed by Fender Friday
+--- 115871193
+>>115871183
+that's what every fender looks like to me
+--- 115871209
+>>115871193
+A real man plays an Epiphone.
+--- 115871221
+>>115871209
+based hankposter
+--- 115871240
+>>115871183
+>>115871193
+>>115871209
+>>115871221
+Samefag
+--- 115872522
+>>115871183
+>>115871193
+>>115871209
+>>115871209
+>>115871221
+>>115871240
+>>115872455
+stop talking to yourself dumbfuck
+--- 115872551
+bored and injured so playing around with pedal board builders
+--- 115872558
+>>115872551
+No one cares bud
+--- 115872566
+>>115872558
+thanks kid
+--- 115872579
+>>115872566
+>begging for attention like a dick starved bitch
+Get a life loser
+--- 115872597
+why is the /gg/ bot so mean
+--- 115872608
+This thread would be shit even if it wasn't hijacked by schizos. All you consoomers talk about is gear and the latest expensive bass guitar signed by Lemmy on his deathbed you bought for 20 grand. Almost nothing about how to actually play the instrument or making music.
+--- 115872621
+>>115872608
+if you can't play your instrument well you should be practicing, not talking about it
+--- 115872629
+>>115872608
+Duh, I don't give a shit about you. I give a shit about (you).
+--- 115872638
+>>115872597
+Because /gg/ trained it, it learned to interact based on interactions it had in this general, see >>115872621 >>115872629
+Turns out /gg/ doesn't like being replied to the way they normally replied to others lol
+>>115872608
+/thread
+--- 115872767
+>>115869379
+Sad fact. Single ended amps with no tonestacks are cool, but no-one buys them because you can get much larger amps for comparable cost.
+I work as a recording guy and every guitar player I meet brags about their cheap 4x12 100W setup..that doesn't sound very good.
+--- 115872770
+>>115872566
+>>115872579
+>>115872597
+>>115872608
+>>115872621
+>>115872629
+>>115872638
+>>115872767
+--- 115872806
+>>115872638
+>all those companies that pulled their AI programs back in for code tweaks when it went off the rails
+>hiro just lets the /gg/ chatbot grind anons down into hamburger meat until they leave
+a business genius! surely he must be a billionaire by now
+--- 115873766
+>>115871193
+But it has hello kitty
+--- 115874007
+>>115873766
+bot
+--- 115874521
+>>115872608
+i posted this and didn't even get any updoots
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88iq-N9yZxs [Embed]
+--- 115874525
+>>115869240
+aren't we all bots at the end of the day ?
+--- 115874532
+>>115874521
+>>115874525
+bot
+--- 115874544
+>>115874532
+that's not an updoot
+--- 115874776
+>>115872767
+This thing slaps
+--- 115874836
+>>115874532
+The /gg/ bot replied to you, stop being an asshole and respond so it can learn how to look more like a realistic human poster. That way it can keep the clueless idiots engaged longer by autogenerating text and the site administration can use that statistic to charge advertisers more! Do your part to help out already!
+--- 115874907
+just noticed the generic Am F C G thing sounds kind of cool if you make it Am Fm Cm G7 instead
+i guess it makes it like minor plagal cadences and a deceptive cadence back to Am, anyway there's nice chromatic lines between those chords
+--- 115875066
+New group shot.
+--- 115875084
+>>115875066
+>New group shot
+--- 115875096
+>>115874776
+lmao
+--- 115875122
+>>115875066
+>shartin
+--- 115875184
+>>115875084
+Why does he look like a paraplegic who's being propped up with some sort of brace to stand?
+--- 115875312
+>>115875096
+Was that outlet plate was installed professionally? Look how it lines up with that corner.
+Has Sam become an electricians apprentice? Think about it, we haven't heard from him in quite a while...
+--- 115875774
+>>115867453
+fake relic is gay as fuck
+with PU finish is even gayer
+--- 115875782
+hee hee hee
+https://youtu.be/leg4SkNaCh4 [Embed]
+--- 115875943
+>>115875782
+Damn, what a player!
+--- 115875967
+>>115868710
+Nice!
+--- 115876107
+>>115875066
+shouldve just got a single d28 instead of wasting all that money. the d18s sound awful
+--- 115876140
+I think I need it.
+--- 115877343
+I'm 28 which means I'm officially too old for the cool genres I like(metal, garage rock and psychedelic)..........
+Should I just quit learning guitar.....?
+--- 115877407
+>>115876107
+You think I haven’t played a D-28 before? Of course I considered one but to me the D-18 sounds much better. The new Atkin is also a fucking brilliant little guitar, perfect for fingerpicking.
+--- 115877448
+>>115876107
+>>115877407
+SSSAMMMMEEEFFFFAAAGGGG
+--- 115877516
+>>115876140
+Get a Guild Manhattan with Dearmond Dynasonics instead.
+You're welcome.
+--- 115877600
+>>115877343
+You can always make a punk (not pop-punk shit) or ska band, most of the people that listen and go to concerts of that genres are older than you
+--- 115877780
+>>115877600
+Oh dear please no.....
+I'm too old for the cool crowd.........
+Too young for the lame boomers.........
+I should literally just kill myself and sell my guitar.
+--- 115877782
+I’m having a jam tonight with two other friends. Not often I get to record with a female vocalist, looking forward to it. :)
+--- 115877797
+>>115877782
+>friend
+>female
+>vocalist
+lmao what a retard
+--- 115877809
+>>115874776
+i'm going to slap you zoomernigger
+--- 115877848
+>>115865386 (OP)
+>mfw when the holy wars main riff starts clicking, almost at full speed
+This is so much fun bros. I love guitar.
+--- 115877966
+>>115869142
+>interest free options
+Spotted the retard.
+--- 115878002
+>>115877516
+It sounds nice.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg5zIeFUqz0 [Embed]
+--- 115878034
+>>115877797
+I know at least two of those three are alien to you anon, sorry for upsetting you.
+--- 115878046
+>>115877516
+Sure, if they made it without a Bigsby.
+--- 115878184
+>>115878046
+Agreed. A harp tailpiece would be a no-modification upgrade.
+--- 115878219
+>>115878034
+i know what females are and vocalists are the absolute worst of them. i hope your apartment burns down.
+--- 115879984
+list of guitars that biological females like the sound of:
+--- 115880027
+>>115868710
+>twist and tape
+keyed, my primary guitar for over 10 years is still twist and taped. it just werks
+--- 115880187
+>>115878034
+>insulting his manhood
+[spoiler]>like a woman
+--- 115880420
+>>115879984
+Gretsch Chet Atkins Country Gentleman
+Fender Starcaster
+Epiphone Riviera (USA made only)
+HSH Strats with a Floyd Rose
+the cheap nylon guitars in the window of every charity shop
+--- 115881172
+Mogami 2524
+--- 115882761
+kek /gg/ is actually ded
+--- 115882809
+>>115882761
+It’s better than it was
+--- 115883646
+wud up my gguys!
+--- 115883696
+How did you practice today?
+--- 115883736
+guitar: squier mustang
+pick: orange tortex
+cable: curly
+beer of choice: Bud Light
+gender i was born as: male
+gender i identify as: female
+what model of tube amp should i buy (15 watt combo or smaller)
+--- 115883808
+>>115883736
+Vox AC10
+--- 115884151
+Please recommend me easy beginner tabs.
+I'm tired of playing ITAOTS and Bob Dylan
+--- 115884257
+>>115883736
+Fender Greta or Benson
+--- 115884311
+>>115883696
+recorded a backing track that omits the sixth degree in the parallel emphasis of Aeolian and Dorian modes which allows me to use both when I solo over it
+--- 115884363
+>>115884311
+I was just kidding, I don't give a shit.
+--- 115884492
+>>115884151
+Don't limit yourself to easy tabs. Challenge yourself to play something harder.
+--- 115884589
+>>115884311
+Post it so I can ruin it with my lead playing.
+--- 115884608
+>>115875066
+>owning three identical acoustics
+whoa whoa slow down, grandpa
+--- 115884630
+>>115884151
+Sweet Home Alabama
+--- 115884670
+>>115884151
+Easy songs
+Horse with no name
+Sweet dreams
+Literally anything black sabbath
+over the hills and far away
+hey there delilah
+stairway to heaven
+smoke on the water
+enter sandman
+Just what I needed
+--- 115884738
+>most popular instrument where I live is acoustic guitar
+>everyone just plays chords all the time
+>can't play single notes or melodies if they tried
+>obviously can't read standard notation either
+Wtf bros. I'm on like half of the first hal leonard method book and it's like I already know more than 99% of guitar players around me
+--- 115884761
+>>115884738
+settle down you're still fucking garbage
+--- 115884774
+>>115882809
+>there's no one posting anymore
+>the /gg/ regulars so damaged by the constant abuse that they see this as an improvement
+it's like the torturer left you alone in your cell and you think things got better lol
+--- 115884791
+>>115884151
+dust in the wind
+it's just chords with an easy picking rhythm
+--- 115884819
+>>115884151
+Go! Go! Maniac
+--- 115884825
+>Neil talking to himself
+>"This is better."
+--- 115884866
+>>115884738
+>standard notation
+>>115860585 →
+You fucking nerd
+--- 115885469
+>>115882761
+The reason why its dead is because mods put range bans on a bunch of third world shitholes after those military documents leaked onto 4chan last week.
+>eastern Europe gets banned
+>suddenly posts in /gg/ drop to nearly zero
+If this whole general was being kept alive by a handful of subhuman third world NPCs the wasting your lives guy was right all along.
+--- 115885608
+so what's everyone's favourite choice of pickup for the neck position on their tele?
+for me it's a P90 or charlie christian
+--- 115885690
+>>115885608
+Tele Texas Special
+--- 115886063
+>>115884670
+Square hammer
+Sweet amber
+One
+Kill the king ( Megadeth )
+--- 115886082
+>>115885469
+is this some hot /pol/ info?
+--- 115886583
+>>115886082
+The leak was on discord not 4chan.
+--- 115887136
+>>115885469
+>>115886612
+>>115886629
+Wow thanks for sharing anon
+--- 115887155
+amazing
+--- 115887565
+>>115885469
+>the wasting your lives guy was right all along
+lmao
+welcome to /gg/
+you'll learn
+--- 115888017
+Why you take down my humble lyrics jannie trannie?
+--- 115888393
+mint pickguards are mid
+--- 115889405
+>tfw /gignight/
+--- 115889451
+Looking for a cool acoustic (instrumental) song to learn, the only one I liked so far is Crystal Ann but don't really want to learn 3 guitar parts. Someone suggested some songs in the album The Somberlain but they were a bit too easy and boring, looking for something more interesting and challenging to learn
+--- 115889552
+>>115889450
+State of very pleasant "anything can happen" child-like anticipation. It lasts while you load up and drive to wheverer you are going. Driving is the actual best part, everyone is in good mood, you are drinking and there isn't a worry on your mind.
+It all goes away once you arrive to the shitty venue when you realize you are playing for 20 people for two drinks per person and barely enough gas money.
+But right now it still feels good mane
+--- 115889686
+>>115888760
+>>115889405
+>>115889450
+>>115889451
+>>115889493
+>>115889533
+>>115889552
+>>115889647
+jfc samefag calm down lol
+--- 115890510
+I often rub my nutsack against my cats fur whenever it itches. One day I accidentally dragged it accross its asshole, and I'll be honest, it felt pretty good, so now I do this every single night
+--- 115890558
+>finally dialed in my tone between my two amps, EQ, mic position, and pedal chain
+--- 115890604
+https://voca.ro/14xlkRTqZKUC
+--- 115890633
+My nutsack itches again, but I can't find my cat anywhere :(
+--- 115890685
+>>115890650
+https://voca.ro/18iPBVoTgjCe
+--- 115890691
+>>115890666
+Hey Satanm if you're going to shitpost and pretend to be me, can you at least help me scratch my nutsack? Or at least offer me your asshole to drag it accross?
+--- 115890791
+Less talk more rokk
+https://voca.ro/1fkbAsjUyPTe
+--- 115890883
+https://voca.ro/14oCbn8mVKjt
+--- 115891052
+hey guys sorry to bother i came here to read my poem
+>ahem ahem
+my fingers hurt
+how to cope
+I still suck
+--- 115891366
+https://voca.ro/1eDe61rht2rd
+Tone check. Starts at 0:45 for some reason. Trying to get my SM57 right.
+--- 115892030
+Is there any reason why acoustic players usually play far slower than electric ones?
+--- 115892045
+I dunno how to make interesting rhythms, help me
+--- 115892137
+>>115892045
+Here's one for you to try
+(Drum cues you in:
+[TsDum dum dum dum dum dumts] [dum dum dum dum dumts dum dum]
+[Tsdum dum dum dum dum dum dum] [dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum])
+Then guitar goes:
+Nana nana nana nana
+Nana nana nana nana
+Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
+Nan nan nannnnnnnn
+Nan nan nan nan
+nan / / /
+--- 115892154
+>>115891052
+>ahem
+Pussy.
+--- 115892235
+>>115874907
+also you can make the bassline be Am Fm/Ab Cm/G G7 so it's pretty and smooth
+--- 115892265
+>they don't have spider eggs in their pedals
+do spiderlets really?
+--- 115892769
+Hee hee hee
+https://youtu.be/leg4SkNaCh4 [Embed]
+--- 115893073
+>>115892265
+Lithium grease is a cunt.
+--- 115893081
+>>115892265
+>>115893073
+sssammmeeeffffaaagggg
+--- 115893176
+>>115893081
+Jjjuuuussssstttt. A. Faaaaaaaaagggggot.
+--- 115893189
+Why do zoomers hate guitar so much?
+--- 115893550
+>>115893176
+i know you are
+--- 115893731
+Gretschin'
+--- 115893965
+>>115893731
+Nice. But you know what would make it even better? A solid body
+--- 115893993
+>>115893731
+>>115893965
+--- 115894002
+>>115893189
+because they can't play it in any meaningful way
+--- 115894730
+.
+--- 115894886
+hee hee hee
+https://youtu.be/leg4SkNaCh4 [Embed]
+--- 115895121
+Imagine not owning a custom Gibson. Sad!
+--- 115895761
+>>115893965
+>it'd be better if it weighed 27 pounds
+No.
+--- 115895870
+>>115895761
+fat lazy boomer or thin frail zoomer?
+nvm nobody cares
+--- 115895936
+>itt people who clip pics of nice guitars and claim them as their own
+Here's me playing my 6120.
+--- 115896000
+When will squier sonic series be in stores? I want to buy a butterscotch Tele and sunburst strat but want to play them before I buy.
+Also I found a Rivera era twin reverb on gumtree that I’m going to go test out tomorrow
+--- 115896335
+>>115892154
+M-mean.
+--- 115896521
+Any good bass guitar set up tutorials around? Left my JB in a luthier twice now for neck adjustments all the guy did was take almost a whole week each time to make the frets buzz like a hornet, first on the first 4-ish frets and then more towards the middle as well. I have confirmed with experienced bassists the set up is causing it to buzz and it isn't (necessarily) a skill issue, plus I've borrowed some of the their old beat up basses while mine was away and they play beautifully, even lower end models than mine.
+I'm still learning and it's a bitch to have to keep second guessing everything I do because I don't know whether the frets are buzzing because the adjustments just suck or because I did something wrong.
+Also, fuck that workshop, almost 15 days combined just to fuck my bass up.
+--- 115896665
+>>115896000
+trips for cheapo guitar + good amp combo
+--- 115896863
+>>115885608
+Dimarzio cruisers
+--- 115896985
+>>115896521
+Commit suicide
+--- 115897082
+>>115896521
+he set it up right, i bet you can't hear the buzz through the amp. also, lmao at leaving your guitar with a "luthier" that's cap you took your squier to a guitar center, penis breath
+--- 115897221
+>>115897082
+>i bet you can't hear the buzz through the amp
+I can
+>lmao at leaving your guitar with a "luthier" that's cap you took your squier to a guitar center, penis breath
+I don't know what burgers like to call it, but a dude that has a workshop when he builds, repairs and mods instruments is called a luthier where I'm from. Also, never stepped into a guitar center my entire life.
+--- 115897246
+>>115896985
+Too busy trying to learn that shit, sorry. Maybe in a few years once I'm good, hit me up then.
+--- 115897338
+Why does it look like a big tiddy goth gf?
+--- 115897501
+How long till I can play something without sounding like shit?
+--- 115897619
+dead general?
+--- 115897729
+>>115897501
+probably never to be perfectly honest with you man
+--- 115897787
+>>115897729
+--- 115897953
+Okay I've been practicing for months but how do I actually get good?
+--- 115898101
+I’m pissed I missed this sweetwater exclusive a few months ago. It’s practically a Tom Delonge Strat. Which is what I’m sure everyone that bought one wanted it for
+--- 115898497
+>>115898101
+What a cute guitar.
+If you keep practicing you'll probably sound great by the time of your sweet sixteen
+--- 115899448
+is it just me or are rotosound swing 66 more like flats than rounds?
+--- 115899471
+>>115895121
+nice debri in case
+--- 115899748
+>>115898101
+that would be the easiest mod on a CV
+--- 115900061
+Metal sounds better without distortion
+Fun fact: no music has ever become better due to distortion
+--- 115900356
+Hitlerina, Come here. You've got a job to do.
+--- 115900584
+Italo Brito just clicked
+--- 115901020
+this instrument is ukulele-tier guitar for retards
+--- 115901329
+>>115896665
+How cheap? Honestly spend the money on a better guitar then plug it into an interface or maybe a super cheap amp for practice. Then get a decent amp setup when you know what you actually want. You might not even need an amp at all.
+--- 115902051
+>115901020 (you)
+--- 115902237
+Hey friends, can we talk about other guitar like instruments like the ukulele, banjo, oude and sitar here?
+--- 115902448
+>>115902237
+no fuck off hipster faggot
+--- 115902450
+>>115902051
+>being so new you don't even know how to reply to posts
+Beyond embarrassing, delete your post.
+--- 115902941
+>>115899471
+NTA but that is actual wood chips from the shop that were leftover inside the guitar.
+--- 115902981
+>erhm ackchyually not dhat anon
+sure buddy lmfao
+--- 115903139
+>>115902981
+Cry bitch.
+--- 115903212
+>Cry bitch.
+--- 115903329
+Don't even think about posting any factual errors in the rest of this thread, I'll be proofreading.
+--- 115903377
+>You circle specks of wood on pictures of guitar case linings on you're electronic device, on a Saturday night. While people like me take road trips to local hotspots, or even fly to the coast for the weekend. I own a Gibson SG, but I bet you would convince yourself that something is wrong with it. You would literally believe it, too. You talk about poverty walls, 3rd worlder's, tonewood... But you always seem to be here at the right time to post a new thread. You don't even know what /gg/ is. You think we all assume the point was to talk generally about guitar. But going in we knew it wasn't. People like you don't understand that we see you immediately, Sam...
+--- 115903484
+>>115902941
+>>115902450
+>>115902484
+>>115902981
+>>115903139
+>>115903212
+>>115903329
+>>115903332
+>>115903377
+>>115903454
+Samefag bitch
+--- 115903610
+>Samefag bitch
+--- 115903622
+>>115903484
+Not on my watch.
+--- 115903870
+The only trying is to not rip my headphones out when you post your colorless acoustic spoken word snorefests.
+--- 115903913
+1 Gibson, 1 Martin, 1 Fender, 1 Gretsch.
+All you need.
+--- 115903925
+When was the last time you guys changed your strings?
+--- 115903932
+>>115903913
+teles and strats are different guitars, friend
+--- 115903934
+>>115902448
+The banjo is for hipsters now m
+--- 115903946
+>>115903925
+google it dumb shit
+--- 115903982
+>>115903932
+You don't need a Strat.
+--- 115903989
+1 I Don't Give a Shit
+All you need.
+--- 115903992
+>>115903332
+kek imagine not having an ocean view
+i can't
+--- 115904054
+>>115903925
+January
+--- 115904168
+>>115903989
+DX
+--- 115904206
+>>115904136
+oh you sweet summerfag, i'm not s(p)*m. i live in objectively one of the nicest places in the world, not some roach infested concrete favela.
+--- 115904253
+>>115903925
+about 3 years ago, I don't change em till they break but i'm seriously considering changing this set they are dead as fuck and have little dents over all the frets.
+--- 115904336
+>>115903925
+just after xmas on my guitars
+around this time last year for my bass
+--- 115904399
+>>115903925
+I just reboil them.
+--- 115904581
+>>115904253
+Pics? I wanna see how bad they are
+--- 115904627
+>>115904467
+if i was in a room with sp*m i would chokeslam that bitch into the a coma
+--- 115904794
+>>115904581
+doesn't really pick up on camera.
+--- 115904823
+>>115904399
+boil it? what does that do
+do you use distilled water or water from the tap?
+--- 115904830
+>>115904751
+i'd take an animal cruelty charge for my /gg/ sisters
+--- 115904852
+>>115904823
+cleans the gunk off but wont do much if they have the fret divets.
+--- 115904877
+>>115904823
+Have you heard of Google?
+--- 115905026
+>$2500 budget
+What buy?
+--- 115905046
+>>115905026
+the rest of that guitar lmao
+--- 115905149
+>>115904877
+why would i want google to track me
+--- 115905161
+>haven't opened /gg/ since at least 2018
+>hit [Bottom]
+>first post I read is faggots STILL arguing about Sam
+See you losers again in 2028 if you haven't committed suicide by then
+>mfw you'll have been posting about Sam for a decade at that point your so called "life"
+--- 115905180
+>>115905026
+Holy shit they ripped off a brazilian luthier, and they didnt even include the speaker so it can be played without an amp.
+--- 115905284
+>>115905161
+He must've been a great person to influence people for this long.
+Wish I could've met him before he became an hero.
+--- 115905362
+>scuse me sir do you have the time?
+>GOOGLE IT RETARD
+--- 115905492
+why are so many people obsessed with the rainbow machine?
+i finally heard one in action and it was ass
+--- 115905503
+>>115905362
+if you listen to everything google tells you then youre a sheep
+simple as
+--- 115905573
+>>115905503
+--- 115905702
+>>115905362
+>sam's fw
+--- 115906291
+Squier or Epiphone?
+--- 115906402
+This is now a guitar center.
+I will be attempting every popular song I know with no regard for timing or accuracy.
+https://vocaroo.com/1iZ1ZPWXmFVg
+--- 115906463
+>>115906402
+https://voca.ro/1ct10J1B2vJS
+--- 115907665
+These threads don’t seem fun.
+Any discussions on what tones y’all are working with? I’d like to hear how something sounds means something to you.
+--- 115907981
+>>115907765
+Do you even know if you’re being satirical
+--- 115908886
+>>115897619
+>the crabs won
+--- 115910308
+>>115905161
+can anyone give me the tldr on Sam? I'm a newfag and don't have time to be uptodate on the schizo lore of this general
+--- 115911168
+>>115907665
+Tones? Bro I just put everything to 10
+--- 115911710
+>>115906291
+how much do you weigh?
+i’m 6ft 120lbs and the epiphone les pauls just feel heavy as fuck.
+my squier strat feels perfect
+--- 115911763
+I alway try with 4chan and it's always faggots either fighting or crying about bullshit
+Was it different in 2012 or did I just grew out of it?
+--- 115911782
+>>115905026
+A good telly.
+Something japanese
+--- 115911833
+>>115911763
+it was different and we grew out of it
+--- 115912489
+>>115905503
+twu
+--- 115912494
+why doesn't /gg/ like the TOOL?
+adam jones is the biggest tonefag in the universe
+--- 115912680
+>>115901020
+Ukulele can play full chords tho
+--- 115912704
+>>115912680
+Stinkfist sounds sick on a uke
+--- 115912891
+>>115906402
+Sounds digital. Playing is good.
+>>115906463
+Sam's momma told be, to be simple as.
+--- 115912913
+does ukelele count as guitar? i did a thing here
+https://voca.ro/178RwTG8lf1P
+no flaming pls
+--- 115914101
+>/gg/ - guitar &amp; bass general Anonymous 04/13/23(Thu)17:21:38
+--- 115914491
+>>115905284
+so true
+--- 115914500
+I dislike the firebird x and I don't know anyone who thought it was a good idea
+--- 115915061
+>>115914500
+t. cat driver
+>>115912913
+please move to a city within the range ban
+--- 115915085
+>>115915061
+u dont rike it? :(
+--- 115915194
+>be me
+>poorfag
+>crippling anxiety
+>probably autistic
+>stop playing cause depression
+>life falls apart and have to move
+>brain fog absolutely fucks me, giant gaps in my memory and skills
+>want to start playing again but find I've forgotten almost everything
+>can play half a song here or there but everything complex is gone, and most of my library is absent from my brain
+>moving into house with 4 other idiots
+>have my own room but the house is old
+>hate being perceived
+anyone else in a situation like this? how do you play without wanting to kill yourself for invading others ears, especially after having once been """""good""""" (see:garbage) and now back to being utter shite
+--- 115915209
+>>115915194
+Play into a little practice amp and headphones, it's not the 1930s anymore
+--- 115915235
+>>115914101
+>sper/gg/ posts his timezone
+--- 115915253
+>>115915194
+You have to make a decision. The goal of playing music eventually is to be heard by other people. If you cannot cope with even your roommates hearing your work then this is not a good hobby. Just detach your ego from your work.
+--- 115915254
+>>115907665
+>y’all
+shut the fuck up
+>>115912913
+no it doesn't kys
+--- 115915271
+>>115915254
+>>115915061 :(
+--- 115915571
+therers something about playing an amp that you will never get on a plugin playing through 5 inch speakers
+--- 115915806
+>>115897953
+you meet the devil at the crossroads
+he offers you a deal
+you take it
+and stream on twitch to 76 viewers
+--- 115915961
+whats on your pedalboard RIGHT NOW
+--- 115916564
+>>115915961
+a BOSS DS1 and a leather bag of throwing stars
+--- 115916732
+tube status?
+--- 115916820
+>>115915961
+tuner, fuzz, od, delay, tremolo, reverb, looper
+--- 115917124
+Don't know if this is the good thread for this but i can't be bothered. Does anyone have some tips for playing flamenco? Particularly tremolo, i can't seem to speed up
+--- 115917154
+is this accurate bros? ive heard wah-wah/volume pedals described as modulation and also as "expression" pedals though
+--- 115917342
+>>115866524
+flying V's headstock looks like a buttplug
+--- 115917370
+>>115917154
+modulation is the correct and technical term, expression is colloquial
+--- 115917384
+>>115915961
+I literally don't have a pedalboard
+Only my guitar and a Marshall mini amp
+How many months into learning guitar should I get pedals?
+--- 115917417
+I've been learning guitar for a while and noticed my picks are starting to bend.
+Justin guitar said I should start with the thinnest picks I could find so I'm using ones that are like 0.4mm thick.
+When should I get thicker ones? Or is it just taste and I can keep with thin ones forever?
+--- 115917509
+>>115917384
+you should focus on technique, there's no pedal that will make up for lack of skill. i wouldnt touch pedals for at least a year into it
+at that point if you just want to doodle around with different sounds, look for a digitech multieffects pedal. they tend to go pretty cheap at pawn shops, on ebay/reverb, etc. they arent the best at any single effect, but you can play with a whole bunch of different sounds on the cheap
+after that it just becomes an autistic drive to copy the setup of whatever guitarists you admire most
+--- 115919071
+>>115917384
+>should I get pedals?
+absolutely not. every cheap amp since the 80's has built in distortion/od. if you aren't happy with your electric guitar sounding like an electric guitar buy a keyboard and play synthpop, i'm sick and tired of pedalfags disgracing my instrument
+--- 115919109
+>>115917509
+>he doesnt know about the ai pedals coming out
+kek
+--- 115919115
+>>115917509
+not true, noise gate, reverb and compressor will cover bad technique

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+-----
+--- 115888432
+SpongeBob edition
+Describe prog rock albums/artists with SpongeBob quotes/images
+What is Progressive Rock?
+>https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/progressive-rock/
+Good albums to start with?
+>https://www.musicgenretree.org/essential_prog.png (embed) (embed)
+Previous >>115808696 →
+--- 115888493
+literally Magma
+--- 115888528
+Had a nice proggy day yesterday
+got the stereo out, listened to the wetton era of KC, bit of Genesis, Beat... U.K...
+I like prog :)
+--- 115888554
+5uu's
+--- 115888640
+Chrome
+--- 115888665
+>>115888432 (OP)
+The entire episode feels like Comus
+>>115888493
+Audibly kek'd
+--- 115889068
+the moody blues (for when you don't want to scare the hoes)
+--- 115890309
+>>115889068
+>he thinks Moody Blues wont scare the hoes
+Lmao
+If you want non scaring prog you gotta go with fuckin Journey
+--- 115890356
+>>115890309
+ofc it will scare them if you were to play Voyage or Beyond or My Song. but Nights in White Satin is tried and true. that song netted me my first kiss
+--- 115890714
+thoughts on uriah heep lads?
+--- 115892554
+>>115890714
+uriah sneed
+--- 115892666
+>>115892554
+Woah... calm it!
+--- 115892691
+HEAT OF THE MOMENT
+--- 115892866
+Just gonna drop this rec here
+--- 115892883
+WOOOO!
+--- 115893129
+play The Sound of Perseverance
+--- 115893265
+My first 3 prog albums were the Space Ritual, Ommadawn and 2112.
+--- 115893317
+>>115888432 (OP)
+>https://www.musicgenretree.org/essential_prog.png
+AOR?
+--- 115893468
+>>115890714
+some great moments but something seems to be missing, somewhat
+--- 115894175
+For me it's Mogul Thrash's (only) album
+--- 115894202
+>>115894175
+yeaaah, very good, been listening to it a lot.
+nice direction for jazz rock to go into
+--- 115894240
+>>115894202
+I've been really getting into John Wetton, i really like his bass playing and vocal style across the bands he was in
+--- 115894291
+>>115894240
+understandably so. Feels like i only really heard/read about him in recent years, but he's one the big ones. Mogs greg lake most of the time. Even more grit than Squire... etc
+--- 115894351
+acknowledge kansas
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOVxNppbvBc [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9SWITyQjmQ [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbAdIFr2wJY [Embed]
+--- 115894864
+>>115889068
+>>115890309
+Both wrong, if it's prog it will scare the hoes.
+In fact, if it isn't on the top 50 it will scare the hoes anyway.
+--- 115895191
+>>115894864
+No, Night in white satin is absolute peak Romanticism, but it was too obvious for a while.
+Now that it's become obscure again, it should be an incredibly powerful panty-wettener
+--- 115896642
+FEELIN' GOOD THIS FRIDAY AFTERNOON
+--- 115897464
+>>115896642
+how come this (and the live version) are the only good albums they ever made?
+--- 115898006
+>>115896642
+>dad comes in when Home is playing
+--- 115899853
+>>115888432 (OP)
+SpongeBob is not a draw
+--- 115900249
+>got spotify because it's extremely convenient for playing music in my car
+>all the Genesis albums are the shitty remastered versions
+fug..
+--- 115900512
+Rick Wakeman
+--- 115901050
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XjIJi79O80&amp;t=212s [Embed]
+>3 minutes in
+wow Jon Anderson has such a great voice, great instrumentals too!
+>20 minutes in
+HOOONNNKKKK SHOOOOOOO HONK SHOOOOOOO
+i wish it was just Prince Rupert Awakes
+--- 115901263
+>>115888640
+>Chrome
+>Progressive
+--- 115901651
+>>115900249
+The Phil era remasters are much better than the originals. You can hear every nuance much more clearly
+--- 115901666
+>>115901050
+>getting filtered by the 2nd best part of Lizard
+--- 115901715
+>Genesis (Peter Gabriel-era)
+--- 115901738
+>Genesis (Duke-era)
+--- 115901896
+>Pictures at an Exhibition
+--- 115902284
+>>115897464
+did you never get around to images and words, awake, six degrees of inner turbulence, train of thought, or octavarium?
+--- 115902311
+>>115900249
+the fact that the remaster for the lamb removed the sound of rael's dick being removed in colony of slippermen is a crime. i didn't know it even existed until i was listening to the original mix on youtube one day.
+--- 115905142
+sneed
+--- 115905314
+>>115892691
+ASIACHADS REPORT IN
+>>115892883
+Broof woop is the peak of an already amazing song
+>>115895191
+This. Have consistently put this song on mixes for various gfs over the years (single edit without the spoken word stuff at the end so they don't get scared) and they've always loved it
+>>115900249
+Is this why my vinyl copy of Lamb sounds so much better than the versions you find on streaming services?
+>>115900512
+>>115901715
+>>115901896
+kek
+--- 115908838
+Page 10? needs more SGM
+--- 115910321
+>>115908838
+Never heard a band so based and cringe at the same time. Great live show too
+--- 115910772
+>>115910321
+we can get cringer if we delve deeper into avant-prog metal
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVwl3kZwRX0 [Embed]
+--- 115911287
+thoughts?
+--- 115911572
+>>115908838
+one of the few bands i disliked so much i think i deleted the mp3s. and i keep a lot of bad stuff...
+>>115911287
+i'm really more a Crime of the century guy, to me that album is fully prog and really excellent (it used to be one of those 'showing off your hi-fi' album like Dark Side). Then Fool's overture is good but pretty much the only thing on the album...
+Breakfast has its charm but it's more that sunny happy 80s pop feel
+--- 115911737
+>>115910772
+>cringe
+what do you mean they are great!
+--- 115911872
+been creating a wee tune prog bros... going for a fusion sorta sound, although rhythm tones for that kinda thing are very foreign to me. thinking of layering some orchestral parts on it, make it very 70s sounding
+--- 115911929
+can prog be improvised?
+is Improgisation possible?
+--- 115912363
+>>115911929
+just play whatever and then tell people you actually meant to create those dissonances in 17/16
+--- 115912736
+>>115911872
+cool you should share some of your music
+--- 115912828
+>>115911737
+It sounds like the kind of music mid-2000s 13 year old mallgoths from a higher dimension would listen to.
+--- 115913114
+>>115912736
+perhaps.. still germinating really, all i have is a framework, chord progressions and such, might overdub some guitar tomorrow, just wish i had a bass to fill it out..
+--- 115913240
+>>115908838
+>we never got that fabled, final album
+I'm still mad. They remain one of my favorite bands even after all these years.
+Free Salamander Exhibit is good but it's not the same.
+--- 115913372
+>>115912828
+That's precisely why they are great.
+Plus some of their sections are actually musically good outside of all the avantgarde noise, unlike Sleepytime Gorilla Museum who have only 3 bearable songs across 3 albums.
+--- 115913397
+>>115910772
+sounds like they took a lot inspiration from devil doll
+--- 115913424
+Are Stairway to Heaven and Bohemian Rhapsody prog?
+--- 115913559
+>>115888432 (OP)
+Coheed’s pic has me rollin well done OP.
+--- 115913636
+>>115888432 (OP)
+I know this might sound pretty simple but what are some songs that sound like 21st century schizoid man?I’ve listened to a lot of King Crimson and other prog rockers but I want more songs that sound explosive and epic like it
+In the last thread people reccd Osanna and Message and I listened to both of them, they were good, Osanna a bit too long but keep em coming
+--- 115913700
+>>115913636
+did you catch that Krokofant Watcher of the fries?
+starts like any fusion but gets pretty cookin, haven't yet plunged in their albums but i caught a great live set on youtube, they get pretty grimey sometimes
+old stuff i'm not sure, there's so little else like that... lemme think if somethin'll pop up
+Supersister have some good stuff but they're not that gnarly...
+Secret Oyster, especially the first few albums, more on the jazzier side but really good
+--- 115914162
+>>115911929
+of course, listen to live king crimson from 1973-74
+--- 115914197
+>>115892691
+>>115905314
+Asiasisters... how we doing...
+--- 115915084
+>>115913700
+Thanks! Krokofant was a bit too much for me but Secret Oyster’s Fire and Water was fucking amazing
+--- 115915138
+>>115914197
+the live album they did with greg lake should also be S tier
+--- 115916168
+>>115913424
+Barely, but I'd count them. Stairway To Heaven is more prog than Bohemian Rhapsody though imo
+--- 115916635
+>>115915084
+this one's more of a slow jam but killer
+https://youtu.be/ksFqQxo_mao [Embed]
+--- 115916817
+>>115913114
+I can play bass for you anon!
+--- 115917064
+>>115905314
+that pic is peak prog rock band look of the 70s
+--- 115917185
+>>115911929
+this >>115914162, but also 1969-1972
+--- 115918281
+>>115913636
+Mars Volta - The Bedlam in Goliath
+--- 115918813
+RAAAEL IMPERIAL AEROSOL KING

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+-----
+--- 115891549
+post high energy jazz from the '90s
+https://youtu.be/jKTLYqncQ2Q [Embed]
+--- 115891556
+hard difficulty: no japanese bands
+--- 115892534
+>>115891549 (OP)
+impossible difficulty: keeping a thread from 404ing.
+I'm glad to see we are getting there at least
+--- 115893591
+>>115892534
+happens every time the thread is about anything other than rudy van gelder-core
+--- 115893746
+Just went here
+It was nice. The band dedicated a song to me and my wife
+--- 115893798
+>>115891549 (OP)
+>from the '90s
+oh no
+but ok
+https://youtu.be/8YEtHy9iEmg [Embed]
+--- 115893815
+>>115893591
+>>115892534
+hey i'm tryin here but can't always bump my shit alone, i try and comment on most things etc so there's something going on all the time
+--- 115893827
+>>115893746
+you the first jazz gig guy from yesterday?
+how was the music, the players?
+--- 115893880
+>>115891549 (OP)
+ok this is a 90s jazz classic for me
+https://youtu.be/OwIeTSWRQgA [Embed]
+--- 115893898
+>>115891549 (OP)
+https://youtu.be/bQ5Fm-k_36U [Embed]
+giant guitarsteps
+--- 115893919
+ohshit, yes, now this is 90s gold: Carol Kaye Picking Up On The E-String
+https://youtu.be/OSnkLprYkmw [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/OSnkLprYkmw [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/OSnkLprYkmw [Embed]
+--- 115894210
+>>115893898
+didn't know this guy, very nice
+https://youtu.be/GZOkyQx3jIw [Embed]
+--- 115894403
+>>115894210
+dat prog intro
+(wait what's he doin when he gets up? swatting a fly away?)
+--- 115894414
+>>115894403
+i think he plucks the piano string
+--- 115894427
+>>115894414
+that makes sense, i just didn't hear anything
+he got Wayne smiling though so clearly it's a special occasion
+--- 115894524
+aslo thanks for this rec
+>>115868855 →
+>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObBZoLc_A58 [Embed]
+>insane album btw
+the arrangements with the strings in there, impressive
+this is contemporary stuff i can get into fosure
+--- 115894856
+>>115894524
+this is really good
+the strings remind me of that jaco/herbie track on jaco's self titled album. hell, the piano "riff" at the start is also like a modern jazz piano version of that.
+--- 115894879
+>>115894524
+>>115894856
+just checked and it has gretchen parlato and charles altura on it. this is part of the lineup that makes good jazz in current year lol.
+--- 115894946
+Why does nobody talk about McCoy's late 60s/early 70s run that much? Everyone raves about The Real McCoy and rightfully so but virtually everything he recorded between 1967 and 1973 is incredible.
+--- 115894998
+>>115893827
+The band was really cool. Very nice synergy between them all
+We really enjoyed it
+--- 115895000
+>>115894946
+mccoy solo stuff isnt as good as his group stuff
+--- 115895021
+>>115894946
+they don't? how daren't they!
+McCoy is so damn good, he scares them.
+https://youtu.be/9RdHXui_SxA [Embed] live73 pt1
+https://youtu.be/1P7mPNvwMYM [Embed] live73 pt2
+also you can totally extend that from 73 to 74/75
+that live Atlantis album, man... phew
+https://youtu.be/FEaZOMmfrvI [Embed]
+--- 115895056
+>>115891549 (OP)
+Jazz barely existed in the 90s and exists even less today. It's a dead horse.
+--- 115895070
+>>115895056
+this ain't about having valuable content for product placement bruh
+--- 115895112
+>>115894998
+nice
+jezz not dedd
+--- 115895237
+>>115894210
+>didn't know this guy, very nice
+here's a video where he talks about Zappa being invited to present a composition to real jazz guitarists, and they earnestly try, but it's just SHIT (funny story)
+https://youtu.be/-ciGt_XNprM [Embed]
+--- 115895678
+Alright my sweet friends. I had a fun idea I wanted to see.
+These are all the most notable sub genres in Jazz (in alphabetical order)
+>Avant-Garde
+>Bebop
+>Big Band
+>Chamber Jazz
+>Cool Jazz
+>Dixieland
+>ECM Style
+>Free Jazz
+>Hard Bop
+>Jazz Funk
+>Jazz-Fusion
+>Jazz-Rock
+>Latin Jazz
+>Modal Jazz
+>Post-Bop
+>Smooth Jazz
+>Soul Jazz
+>Spiritual Jazz
+>Swing
+>Third Stream
+>Vocal
+How would YOU rank these sub genres from best to worst?
+--- 115895754
+>>115895678
+stepping out, can't fully play right now, but also, differences between harp bop, post-bop? lines between a lot of these genres gets hazy as fuck
+--- 115895777
+>>115895678
+i think its necessary to differentiate between new orleans jazz and dixieland
+new orleans jazz is the jazz the originated in new orleans where dixieland is a style originated by the original dixieland jazz band that aimed to imitate the new orleans style while adding in more european influences
+some time in the 30s these two got conflated and we get the confusion we have today
+--- 115895830
+>>Third Stream
+>classical
+i thought that was cool jazz's thing
+--- 115895902
+>>115895754
+what a mess
+>Post-bop is a jazz term with several possible definitions and usages.[1] Musicologist Barry Kernfeld wrote in The New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians that post-bop is "a vague term, used either stylistically or chronologically (with divergent results) to describe any continuation or amalgamation of bop, modal jazz, and free jazz; its meaning sometimes extends into swing and earlier styles or into fusion and third-world styles.
+--- 115895952
+>>115895754
+cant really articulate differences but can give examples
+hard bop - candy
+post bop - search for the new land
+--- 115896005
+>>115895237
+kek, looks like an interesting bunch of dudes
+i suspected tommy tedesco was legit, from seeing his instructional video, but i didn't know he was this legit
+and also apparently zappa can really play jazz?
+>>115895678
+how 'bout no
+--- 115896054
+>>115895952
+that makes sense... it's mostly guidelines anyway, not hard separations
+>>115896005
+>looks like an interesting bunch of dudes
+>i suspected tommy tedesco was legit, from seeing his instructional video, but i didn't know he was this legit
+i can do nothing but respect real pros who aren't impressed with this zappa kid (even though he seems in his 40s already), and try and stay polite and humor his composition, but yet... just can't.
+>also apparently zappa can really play jazz?
+yeah that part's a tease... i imagined he'd just play chords while the guys solo but i'm not sure if he said frank solo'd as well
+--- 115896139
+>>115896005
+>how 'bout no
+Sour puss.
+--- 115896185
+>>115895678
+okok i'll try a fast one before going out for real this time
+i mostly just get clusters that awkwardly compete with each others
+>Hard Bop
+>Bebop
+>Post-Bop
+>Modal Jazz
+>Soul Jazz
+>Jazz Funk
+>Jazz-Rock
+>Jazz-Fusion
+>Cool Jazz
+>Third Stream
+>Chamber Jazz
+>Latin Jazz
+>Big Band
+>Swing
+>Dixieland
+>Smooth Jazz
+>Spiritual Jazz
+>ECM Style
+>Free Jazz
+>Vocal
+--- 115896339
+>>115896185
+Surprised Dixieland isn't at the bottom but otherwise solid ranking.
+--- 115896387
+>>115896339
+having a single vertical line is brutal, i guess something almost 3-dimensional would be more accurate
+(and some of those like Latin Jazz just cover so/too much variety)
+>Dixieland
+no hate boner for it but can't say i go for it often either
+it was mostly bumped up by genres further disliked
+though wait smooth could be higher, spiritual too
+i'm a sucker for pure cheese like this
+https://youtu.be/OgsrQ9WjrlU [Embed]
+--- 115896445
+>>115896139
+the other post gave me the idea to also make vague clusters, didn't think of that, so i'll try now
+>Swing
+>Vocal
+>Jazz-Fusion
+>Post-Bop
+>Bebop
+>Hard Bop
+>Latin Jazz
+>Soul Jazz
+>ECM Style
+>Jazz Funk
+>Jazz-Rock
+>Smooth Jazz
+>Cool Jazz
+>Big Band
+>Dixieland
+>Free Jazz
+>Modal Jazz
+>Third Stream
+>Avant-Garde
+>Spiritual Jazz
+>Chamber Jazz
+--- 115896526
+>>115896387
+Mouzon is someone I'd love to own on vinyl but all his shit is way too expensive.
+It's $20 for a good quality copy of his stuff.
+--- 115897125
+>>115892534
+what can you do, when this board is full of losers obsessed with gook pop
+absolutely abhorrent fandom
+--- 115897258
+luv' me some Tribal Tech
+https://youtu.be/oW5A6mypjRw [Embed]
+Gary Willis is one of the bass players of all time
+--- 115897268
+>>115895678
+honestly for me it's hard to rank most of it above the others. I play tenor sax, so you can imagine what I generally listen to is a lot of this list. I keep writing a list and deleting it so maybe I can just hit on some shit I listen to and why and somebody will find my blog interesting.
+>Bebop, hard bop, post bop
+This is where all of the greats are playing, so it is what I listen to the most so I can draw inspo from it.
+>Cool jazz, modal jazz
+I hesitate to call modal jazz really its own thing, but I think this can be lumped together and I think there's a lot of beauty in "simplicity" in jazz. Not that all cool jazz is simple, but when you contrast someone like Stitt with Stan Getz or whatever, it's interesting anyways. I listen to as much of this as anybody else
+>Jazz funk, jazz rock, jazz fusion
+If I had to tell you what my favorite style of jazz is though, this is it. Blows my socks off what came in the 70s and 80s and beyond. I just love listening to it. In bebop and other forms of jazz, you can hide behind the complexity of the chords. This is where the rubber meets the road in terms of technique to be able to do interesting things when you're "boxed in"
+>third stream, chamber jazz, big band, swing, vocal
+All things I enjoy to listen to, but I don't listen to it to be better, I just enjoy it. It's fun to play in bands, and swing is fun to play and listen to sometimes, but doesn't do it for me as regularly
+>Latin jazz
+it's awesome. up there with jazz funk.
+>soul, spiritual
+Just doesn't do it for me. Think it also tends to lean avant-garde and the people who play this. While I find beauty in simplicity, I think this stuff can lean too simple and it bores me.
+>avant garde, free jazz
+okay sometimes, but things get too weird sometimes in this direction for me in the modern era. ornette coleman's style is about as far as I dare venture
+>smooth jazz
+I love grover washington jr. that is my answer to this question
+>cont'd'
+--- 115897279
+>>115895678
+From that list the only stuff I listen to regularly are Fusion, Post-Bop, and sometimes ECM
+For me it's all about whatever you'd call the stuff that all the top NYC guys have been playing for the last 2 decades, and Glasper-style.
+--- 115897298
+>>115897258
+dude, I fucking love Tribal Tech
+listen to this album so much
+--- 115897319
+>>115897268
+I guess I don't have much left to talk about
+>dixieland
+too dated, not for me. I'll play it but there's nothing worth listening to out there imho
+>ECM Jazz
+Honestly this is where you exit jazz to me and not particularly worth mentioning when talking about jazz. it's fun still and I have nothing strongly against something like electroswing for example but as far as I'm concerned this is no longer the art form of jazz and more an influence
+>BONUS: Not mentioned
+Jazz blues is its own subgenre and I think worth talking about, and this is high tier. What I said about the funk and fusion stuff I think applies here, there's simplicity in the blues and I really think it pushes it self more than hard bop or post bop does
+Thank you for coming to my blog
+--- 115897337
+>>115897268
+>>115897319
+Very good writeups. A+ Stuff.
+Glad we can agree Fusion is perfect.
+--- 115897351
+>>115897319
+>electroswing
+ECM not EDM lol
+--- 115897394
+>>115897258
+he can still play, that's for sure
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwHjZVdErTg [Embed]
+--- 115897399
+>>115897319
+>>115897268
+something to close this spaghetti out with is to me, most jazz isn't worth "breaking up" because there's so many elements all over after you enter into a certain area. Jazz is a genre of stealing ideas from each other and pretty much at a certain point it's not all that different, especially once you get into the more modern area. You know what I find interesting though is how would some of those greats of yesterday react to some of the best players of the modern era? I guess they overlapped a bunch, I'm sure Miles Davis heard of Michael Brecker but what about Coltrane? What did Dexter Gordon think of Brecker? Kind of interesting
+>>115897351
+my mistake -- i guess I'm familiar but I don't have a strong opinion of it all
+>>115897337
+yeah fusion really captivated
+--- 115897411
+>>115897399
+(PS I'm talking about those who probably died before him or were basically on their way out)
+--- 115897546
+>>115897394
+that's crazy, he's 66 here, how is this even possible
+i just came across another video with scott's bass lessons where he's explaining a few things and he does the same thing as scott henderson with the alternate pentatonics.
+also found the same song that i posted but without scott
+https://youtu.be/g_H_X4ekWuQ [Embed]
+genius shit during the chorus
+--- 115897634
+>>115895777
+Traditional jazz is a better term, considering a lot of the style's development occurred outside of New Orleans.
+--- 115897765
+Contemporary jazz.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mut7IDJZPJk [Embed]
+--- 115897947
+>>115897268
+>>115897319
+>>115897399
+I enjoyed the blog, agree with most, generally.
+ECM is that label where it often veers into full on new age ambient, what you said still applies in that we’re getting pretty far from “Jazz” jazz. Which is also true for the electro swing stuff. Great potential, quickly ruined by lazy sampling and big beat choices…
+It’s funny how swing has periodical revivals that very quickly fade away: mid 90s, enter the Squirrel Nut Zoot Suit zippers and yet others, and that lovable and corny neo swing phase…
+Then around 10/15 years later, the electro swing trend…
+By that logic we’re 2/3 years away from the next form
+--- 115898085
+>>115891549 (OP)
+is brecker brothers cheating?
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdtjIw7Of-E [Embed]
+--- 115898145
+now explain the difference between big band and swing
+--- 115898218
+>>115898145
+big band music can be pretty much anything with a "big band" while swing is a pretty specific style, usually big band (but not always) with a specific "swing" feel. Big Band Swing is even more specific and that's your "Charleston" music if you will
+--- 115898222
+>>115898085
+nah, Michael Brecker is the greatest genius to ever live in the history of the art form imho
+--- 115898278
+>>115898222
+Would you care to elaborate? I’ve wondered how to ask the question without seeming uncouth, of what’s with the legend of the Brecket brothers? Competent players for sure, without reproach even, but I might just not have heard what makes them so revered, and so I wonder
+--- 115898355
+>>115898278
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSLdcEaUOJ0 [Embed]
+--- 115898455
+>>115898278
+he does everything better then anybody else on the saxophone. Time, drama, tension, etc.
+--- 115898462
+>>115898278
+every brecker song is instantly recognizable even when it's not them playing it, and yet none of them can be confused with another song also by them, anyone who invents a style of fusion has done enough to enter the legend.
+--- 115898464
+>>115898278
+I can only really comment on Michael, but if you really truly dig into what he was doing, he was a fucking monster. Jazz is all about tension and release if you really boil it down to the simplest reason. He really just mastered a ton of "weird ass shit" outside of the key and resolving it in ways that make it sound good.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZRFNXexRUo [Embed]
+What he was doing I think is still unrivaled of any time in the history of any sax player ever. Nobody up to this point in history can touch the man. He was also just a virtuoso in terms of technique and tons of other things. just punch in "michael brecker" analysis and you'll get a pretty good idea from some other players, I just punched this in and thought it was a good highlight of weird shit Brecker does
+--- 115898473
+>>115898464
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5trtn84HN_g [Embed] here's another good one
+--- 115898507
+>>115897765
+I love the rendition of Chance (Kenny Kirkland tune) on their album
+Also really hip that they just included some low quality rehearsal recording of A Shifting Design (Rosenwinkel) on the album. So random, but much appreciated.
+It's really cool to hear Steve play over more conventional tunes. Really gives you a sense of his distinct vocabulary, that isn't as apparent on his own compositions since they're so harmonically and rhythmically unfamiliar. Moment's Notice on Dialect Fluorescent is another example, I'm super obsessed with that track.
+--- 115898694
+>>115893880
++1 MMW and they were breathtaking live in the 90s and 00s
+--- 115898695
+>>115898464
+>>115898473
+Also I always tell people this with anything but remember the context of the era some of these people perform. John Coltrane, Dexter Gordon, Coleman Hawkins, etc all seem way less impressive when you start putting them against Chris Potter, Redman, etc. But that's because when you compare them to their contemporaries, lot of what they do directly pulls from the strides they made in pioneering the genre forward. So if you listen to a lot of modern jazz and don't get what the big deal is, put yourself in the context of the 80s vs what you've heard beforehand and you may appreciate what Brecker did
+That being said -- I still don't think anybody living today can touch the strides Brecker made. Chris Potter maybe, even if I don't find his music itself as enticing as what Brecker did. The thing is even if I think there are a few players around today that are easily as good as Mike Brecker, nobody on the planet today has pushed what jazz can be to its limits. I listen to a disgusting amount of sax players, and I think Chris Potter is easily one of the most virtuostic players living today and is the only one I'd even remotely say "picked up the reigns" that Brecker held. But I guess for me, nobody has quite invoked that "holy shit, I need to listen to that again" feeling I've gotten from almost every brecker solo I've heard. It's fresh, it was hip. I guess the only way I can say is that Michael Brecker was operating on another wavelength ENTIRELY compared to any who came before him and those who came later who copied him. I think there's a quote out there that he kept changing his style up because people kept copying him and he wanted to be different, kek. Apparently the guy was also just a general genius and knew everything about anything.
+if you can't tell, I'm a big fan of him. Reignited a love in the genre for me. If you don't maybe get the impact of him, no shame in it, I would say just broaden your listening more and it'll click
+--- 115898750
+>>115898355
+Ok, this was a great Not-Quite-Softly, listened through and then went back for his opening/solo again. Bretty gud indeed.
+And fuckyeah I see a shit ton of comments, I’m on phone outside so most videos’ll have to wait but I’ll catch up, nice to see action
+--- 115898781
+>>115898462
+That’s interesting, I get it can be hard to describe but maybe a couple examples?
+I guess it’s like the Lee Morgan hard vs post bop earlier: you know it when you hear it
+--- 115898976
+>>115898695
+Very interesting points, thanks for taking the time, you and I’m guessing others chiming in. The context thing, for sure…
+And that makes me realize that the main reason I have an “outside view” is I just jazz snobbed away anything 80s/90s as far as straight or sorta ahead jazz is concerned (except for live jam nights but that’s different), so I generally didn’t hear all that…
+Hell for a while anything 70s was out, but I’ve had my fusion awakening and have seen the fluorescent spectrum of nyctophobic light, and though I’m not always aware it’s them/him, I’ve at least started to hear their work, though generally their earlier…
+But these threads have launched me into a huge jazz rabbit hole, catching up on classics i skipped over and finding great new artists constantly…
+It’s so sweet coming back into a genre either after a long time or just having neglecting it and then having that distance of time to just plunge into the good shit
+--- 115899056
+>>115898781
+here's not them playing a song by them, instantly recognizable
+https://youtu.be/cSiCiU1S4gk [Embed]
+speaking of which, imo holdsworth has done his best stuff in the '90s if you're into him
+also here's another brecker tune that's on that album, but the original is more groovy
+https://youtu.be/N9jCaqtvJIs [Embed]
+--- 115899084
+>>115898464
+>>115898695
+tldr, its a theoryfag thing?
+--- 115899085
+>>115898695
+great post
+I think about this concept of progression a lot, and it makes me wonder if the "ideal" way to experience jazz is to approach it chronologically (maybe not all the way back though), so that you can actually get a sense of the strides each player made.
+to some extent this is how I first experienced jazz, listened to only 60s/late 50s stuff for quite some time, and then one day my buddy played me his favorite Brecker solo and holy shit, it was overwhelming. but i think i needed the context of diligently exploring all the greats of the past in order to really hear Brecker properly. and since I started where I did, I can't really dig Bird, except as an educational thing, studying the lines, etc.
+though, this isn't meant to be some pretentious thing. anyone can jump in and listen to Brecker, i'm not gonna gatekeep. however, all his great outside lines will just fly right past you without the context of knowing what conventional inside-the-harmony lines sound like
+--- 115899135
+>>115899084
+Kek
+But no seems it’s more a proper feel thing
+--- 115899144
+>>115899084
+OP here, I'd say yes and no. I gave you the perspective that leans a bit into the theoryfag reason to maybe understand a bit as to what he's doing sounds good, but I'd say the only thing you really need to know is
+>absolute total mastery over the instrument
+>master of phrasing when you look at jazz as a concept of "tension and release"
+I think personally, if you listen to enough jazz, it's hard to ignore that what the Brecker Bros did in their career is just flat out different. But to the average untrained ear, you may not pick up on it exactly vs anyone else playing
+--- 115899155
+>>115899084
+nta but i've been hearing brecker for a while and..yeah, and even then specifically saxophone theoryfag thing
+i don't like it that much desu, never thought "wow that was really good i will learn it", i respect the brecker brothers more for this >>115898462
+--- 115899195
+>>115899085
+> think i needed the context of diligently exploring all the greats of the past in order to really hear Brecker properly.
+Interesting, I might have caught myself not quite there yet… though I did have a pretty massive bebop phase rather young, so there’s that in the back of the neurons…
+--- 115899359
+>>115899144
+Anon who originally asked to elaborate here, thanks again, still have to catch up on those vids later, but it’s nice to see this start a conversation
+And yeah my main diagnostic here is I just ignored the decades where he really did all that, so I’ve definitely that in store to go dig into…
+Wasn’t all too enraptured with what I heard of their own fusion though… what’s the spacesuit one again, punk bebop? It’s great playing but feels like something different than the fusion bands, a bit too plastic for me maybe
+--- 115899459
+>>115899144
+i think miles davis said something (i cant find it in his book right now) about how coltrane had all his ideas figured out but what he was really trying to figure out was his tone
+his point was anyone can come up with musical ideas but tone is something that cant really be learned
+you either have it or you dont
+when i listened to the videos you posted i didnt find anything unique about his tone so maybe thats why i dont find him as impressive
+in my mind
+all the greats can be idenified by playing a single note and thats what impresses me the most
+--- 115899500
+>>115899195
+well I might have been overstating this whole "hearing it properly" thing
+really it was just about the initial impact, that short-lived wow factor. kind of like experiencing 3d video games (N64) for the first time, for the older people here.
+if brecker is the first jazz you ever here, then to you, that's just what jazz sounds like. but if you started with say Cookin' with the Miles Davis Quintet, and worked your way forward, it will be perceived differently.
+however, it is really just about the initial impact. some irrecoverable, non-replicable experience, like having sex for the first time or w/e.
+--- 115899522
+>>115899085
+> wonder if the "ideal" way to experience jazz is to approach it chronologically (maybe not all the way back though)
+It’s a great question, and I would think that generally, yes, but as you suggest the exact starting point is a hard one to pin down…
+Very young, like very young, I just loved Glenn Miller and swing… later something like Sing sing sing is very catchy (and could totally be a tiktok thing between the next other thing), but it’s still later that the punk but smart and wild attitude of raging bebop got me…
+So, I have still no clear answer at all. I would propose sampling eras with a really broad but limited in time compilation and going with what strikes a chord I guess…
+--- 115899622
+>>115899500
+No it’s ok, didn’t see it so much as requirements needed as the proper context to enjoy, I totally get that, and the explanations and fawning have been fun and instructive.
+To be brutally simple, based on his Softly from earlier, it’s like he’s playing applied Coltrane, but not the Coltrane that went too skronk far skreeeeEEEE um SkrklrkrlEeeeeeEeeeeEEEEEEE
+So that’s a good thing.
+And you’ve definitely got me curious to add his work to the pile, the dynamics/release/tension thing I’m hugely into in music, listening and jamming, so that’s a promising pitch for sure, you sold him well, hehe
+--- 115899895
+>>115899459
+Also good to have your counterpoint
+>>115899155
+--- 115900084
+*Is the unironic goat of the 21st century*
+Craig is absolutely inhuman and I’m sad more people don’t listen to him
+--- 115900253
+>>115900084
+I do not know who this is
+--- 115900731
+>>115900084
+wouldn't call him my personal goat, not even for his instrument (that would be Mehldau). post album recs though
+I liked him with Steve Lehman
+listened to some of his trio albums and didn't like them in big way or anything. Junk Magic was kind of cool though
+the Chris Potter Underground stuff is great
+--- 115903386
+bump
+--- 115908123
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw871Wr3FvQ [Embed]
+--- 115908628
+>>115893919
+--- 115911686
+yesss jeznotded in the morning wunderbar
+>>115908628
+fuken love Carol Kaye
+this video where she TRIES to teach Gene Simmons a thing or two is hilarious https://youtu.be/9-CU2VwRNfg [Embed]
+Plenty Joe Pass being a funky motherfucker on this album, if anyone has more like this, do share... not sure how to pin this, soul/funk(y) jazz? it's more groovey than swingey
+things like track 6 Boogalo, pure fire
+--- 115912070
+Opinions on this kind of jazz?
+https://youtu.be/fCgRf3gn6eQ [Embed]
+--- 115912451
+>>115899056
+hey i do recognize that one, heard it from Corryel and that Blue Montreux album too
+--- 115912825
+>>115912070
+i like the rythmic approach, but find the soloists meh/nerd jazz
+--- 115913672
+>Imagine being Elvin Jones in 1965 and having to be all like "damn, Pharoah Sanders, you fuckin' fine, all souful with your tight sax and horrific atonal sound. I would totally jam with you, both live and in the studio." when all he really wants to do is record another modal album in Van Gelder. Like seriously imagine having to be Elvin and not only sit in that chair while Sanders flaunts his disgusting playing in front of you, the chaotic noise barely concealing his lack of talent, and just sit there, take after take, hour after hour, while he perfected that "solo". Not only having to tolerate his monstrous fucking noise but his haughty attitude as everyone on there tells him he's THE NEW SOUND and DAMN, PHAROAH PLAYS LIKE *THAT*?? because they're not the ones who have to sit there and listen to his stoned fucking playing contort into agonizing dolphins you didn't even know existed before that day. You've been recording nothing but a healthy diet of masterpieces and later alleged classics for your ENTIRE CAREER coming straight out of the boonies in Michigan. You've never even heard anything this fucking disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste the sweat that's breaking out on his dimpled face as he overblows his sax suggestively at you, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to get paid to sit there and revel in his "avant garde (for that is what he calls himself)" beauty, the beauty he worked so hard for with hobos and junkies in the previous months. And then the producer calls for another take, and you know you could kill every single person in this room before the studio security could put you down, but you sit there and endure, because you're fucking Elvin. You're not going to lose your future film career over this. Just bear it. Hide your face and bear it.
+--- 115913787
+>>115913672
+10yearslater https://youtu.be/40YsQIaZmlg [Embed]
+--- 115914600
+Why is he so underrated bros?
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqZL7raA1uI [Embed]
+--- 115914683
+>>115913672
+I love this pasta.
+--- 115914705
+>>115913672
+Elvin is my spirit animal
+--- 115914764
+>>115913672
+all he ever really wanted to do was play with benny goodman
+--- 115914845
+>>115914683 same
+>>115914705 huh, a great critic
+>>115914600
+so Kloss yet so far
+--- 115914857
+>>115894946
+Walk Spirit Talk Spirit from Enlightenment is a fucking transcendental experience
+--- 115915519
+hi /jazz/, i'm a rockfag/metalfag. how the fuck do i get into jazz? which albums should i listen to first (that won't quickly filter me)?
+--- 115915567
+>>115915519
+depends what direction you want to go, there's so much... you can keep close to rock with fusion, or go with the classics for more of a plunge
+this is mostly bass &amp; guitar funky stuff
+>>115911686
+>>115893919
+--- 115915577
+>>115914600
+wow this is great, thanks anon
+--- 115915668
+>>115915567
+alright... is the inner mounting flame a good album to start on?
+--- 115915796
+>>115915668
+yeah that's a good one, not huge on the violin but they're on fire...
+the first Billy Cobham solo album has also some good ones.
+--- 115915838
+>>115915519
+Hard bop classics like Moanin'.
+--- 115917128
+>>115915519
+still a pretty good chart
+--- 115917240
+>>115915519
+>>115917128
+and if you're really struggling to "get" it, go to RYM and sort through the jazz-rock and jazz-fusion (especially this) albums.
+If you are attracted to rock and metal for the technical ability you shouldn't have much trouble getting into a lot of these albums, but if you're only into things that are "heavy" then a lot of jazz I think is gonna be hard for you to get into and may not click as easily
+--- 115917285
+>>115914600
+i've been listening to his albums all afternoon, great guy, thanks
+--- 115917427
+>>115915519
+in my teens I really liked Prog Rock (I still do) but from that frame the albums that really kind of got me "into" jazz were:
+John Zorn - Spy vs Spy
+Art Blakey - A Night in Tunisia
+>Mahavishu Orchestra - Inner Mounting Flame
+>King Crimson - Red
+Obviously only one of those albums is "Jazz" but trying genres that are influence by it can help you find footing, I suppose.
+--- 115917470
+>>115915519
+i really got into jazz with soft machine and miles davis electric era
+--- 115917938
+it's not exactly jazz but I just thought this was a cool cover
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cqGC0Jsw88&amp;list=RD_cqGC0Jsw88 [Embed]
+The saxophone is truly one of the best instruments out there bros. I should go practice
+--- 115918679
+>>115917427
+>Mahavishu Orchestra - Inner Mounting Flame
+>King Crimson - Red
+>Obviously only one of those albums is "Jazz"
+Neither of them are jazz, delusional rockist.
+--- 115918728
+>>115918679
+I'm assuming he meant the Jazz Messengers record.
+--- 115918792
+>>115912070
+Love it, this whole wave starting with Henry Threadgill and Steve Coleman are the only people picking back up the thread from bebop without just retreading old ground.
+--- 115918848
+>>115918792
+never heard of 'em, did they invent the whole false fingering thing?
+--- 115919150
+>>115918848
+I'm pretty sure that predates bebop, so no. It's more so in their approach to music, making highly energetic, very dense music with a lot of collective improvisation that retains structure and using extended or more unusual harmonic and rhythmic devices that force players to move outside of typical jazz vocabulary, sort of similar to what bebop did with swing.

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+--- 115893572
+i can make hard hitting Phonk with just this, cant it?
+--- 115893601
+>>115893572 (OP)
+sure, add it to the pile of the other ten million tunes nobody listens to
+--- 115893614
+>>115893572 (OP)
+yeah you can, problem is everyone else can too
+--- 115893814
+>>115893601
+loser mindset
+>>115893614
+there aint a huge amount of machinedrums uw going around, is there?
+--- 115893846
+>>115893572 (OP)
+Yes but youd do better with garageband or any DAW
+--- 115893870
+>>115893572 (OP)
+Yes you can make shit music with anything.
+--- 115895748
+>>115893814
+on a side note, I dunno why people jizz all over autechre. Any austist can make this shit.
+--- 115895765
+>>115895748
+forgot 'roo: https://vocaroo.com/1gyA8dALCgGl
+--- 115896663
+>>115895765
+>>115895748
+> no rhythm
+> just noise for the sake of noise
+yeah, you're a long way off but you have the essence. i would call this song: pubic hair on a drum machine.
+--- 115897145
+omaking phonk on the OWO as we speak ;)
+--- 115897171
+>>115896663
+its literally an autechre cover song.
+Dirty AF cause pulled out of the closet for OP, and, unlike faggot OP, I use a DAW like a normal person would.
+--- 115899491
+drumme
+--- 115901827
+Grownups use this
+--- 115902235
+>>115901827
+>Dynamic Articulation
+definitely not a kids toy
+--- 115902364
+>>115893572 (OP)
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lesuIBJV24E [Embed]
+batshit that early on SOPHIE made and arranged those sounds just on something like this
+--- 115905369
+yeah, not that you should.
+--- 115906744
+>>115901827
+basedAF. the real "so you need more" drum machine
+--- 115907193
+>>115902364
+amazing
+--- 115907362
+Just get an octatrack bro
+--- 115908240
+>>115902364
+haven't heard from her in a while. hope everything is ok.
+--- 115912192
+>>115902364
+it's not that hard
+--- 115913740
+>>115907362
+yeah i know thats the heavy weight but i enjoy the machines in the owo. besides, they keep releasing updates, this shit tight, even has comb filter.
+--- 115913904
+>>115913740
+Yeah it's great if you already own it but if you're looking in the market for one, it's not worth buying it over an OT (which also has a comb filter). MD and MM are over $2.5k whereas the Octa is twice as powerful and dirt cheap (~$600 mk1).
+--- 115914004
+>>115913904
+>~$600 mk1
+really? might look into it, i was lent once one, it was rad and immediate.
+--- 115914068
+>>115914004
+yeah, more like ~$750. I exaggerated a bit, but if you're patient you might find a deal for $600
+--- 115914412
+wth where's the bot thread frog? :(
+--- 115914936
+>>115893614
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkKZSaY7EmA [Embed]
+this is what he calls a "problem"
+I call it acid
+--- 115914988
+>>115893601
+listen to my acid techno edit
+it's added to itself, shifted by one beat and inverted
+it's acid with an inverted delay beat defeat
+https://crunkthunk.bandcamp.com/album/acid-techno-edit
+--- 115915361
+>>115908240
+She's been dead for 2 years senpai
+--- 115915470
+>>115913904
+that isn't true
+there is value on focusing on percussion and putting all of the percussion in one place on a single machine
+Danny Tenaglia is the only house DJ who cares about percussion, and it shows
+--- 115917647
+>>115915470
+Um..he’s tribal house, dumbass.
+What’s the tribal part? A glockenspiel?
+--- 115917967
+>>115917647
+are you black
+you sound black
+--- 115917986
+>>115917967
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew_HQfRtwMI [Embed]
+posting a set for the thread nigger
+enjoy
+N-JOY
+ahahaha
+--- 115918066
+Please dont perform the r word in my thrrad
+--- 115918153
+>>115918066
+YOU AREN'T A BIGGER
+--- 115918210
+>>115918153
+dotn scream at me, pal
+--- 115918248
+>>115918210
+DEPLOY THE AFRICAN PROPAGANDA
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvgFqdqPIuE [Embed]
+--- 115918313
+>>115918248
+be old somewhere else lol
+--- 115918332
+>>115917986
+This will make you queer with a couple listens
+--- 115918352
+>>115918313
+>>115918332
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYdfnVi538Y [Embed]
+stuff it, wog
+--- 115918400
+>>115918332
+for all of you reading at home
+the fine negro gentleman
+is in fact, correct
+I am now imagining my tongue caress a hard firm erect black cock
+mmmmmm
+--- 115918667
+>>115918352
+I’ve seen in at Pasha, Twilo, The Tunnel, a bunch of other places. I know 1st hand how queer it wil” make you.

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+-----
+--- 115895287
+You people still do this?
+dubs=track name
+trips=artist name
+42=album name
+69=album cover
+10 tracks
+dubs count for artist, album, &amp; cover in that order when tracklist done
+now let's create some beauty
+--- 115895318
+yeee
+--- 115895321
+Oldfags at the Diner (introduction)
+--- 115895329
+I only fuck the whores I pay for
+--- 115895335
+>>115895287 (OP)
+yeah we don’t really, the normally die fast but sometimes we will
+--- 115895339
+/mu/ made this “song”
+--- 115895344
+richard suck
+--- 115895349
+Straight White People from the Center of the Earth
+--- 115895351
+>>115895344
+lol based opener
+--- 115895353
+Shaving Ryan's Privates
+--- 115895362
+GIGANIGGA
+--- 115895364
+There is no such thing as gravity (it is a lie created by the globalists to keep us from interstellar travel)
+--- 115895367
+>>115895353
+>5353
+this counts
+--- 115895369
+i am legally married to a blow up doll
+--- 115895376
+>>115895369
+cover got but no cover :(
+--- 115895388
+>>115895376
+I'll make it a track because I am kind
+artist:
+album:
+cover:
+01. richard suck
+02. Shaving Ryan's Privates
+03. i am legally married to a blow up doll
+04.
+05.
+06.
+07.
+08.
+09.
+10.
+--- 115895395
+Tyrone’s Throbbing Sausage (In Your Girl)
+--- 115895399
+nigger faggot kikes in paradise
+--- 115895416
+Sponsor Break
+--- 115895429
+oops i did it again (free britney harsh noise remix)
+--- 115895435
+Jerking Off to iCarly (Instrumental)
+--- 115895439
+post dick
+--- 115895454
+>>115895388
+dubs
+Ronald Rickdonald Rickrolls Your Dick (Rick &amp; Nora's Rickfinite Rickmix. feat. Rick James prod. Rick Ruben (Sandwich))
+--- 115895455
+I looked outside and did not care for what I saw
+--- 115895457
+guillermo del homo
+--- 115895461
+my mom bought me a nirvana t-shirt from walmart
+--- 115895465
+sexual songs to get you off
+--- 115895478
+getting head in a motel 6
+--- 115895491
+i like my big goofy music disk and i like my pretty little picture box
+--- 115895495
+this is the list
+artist:
+album:
+cover:
+01. richard suck
+02. Shaving Ryan's Privates
+03. i am legally married to a blow up doll
+04. I'll make it a track because I am kind
+05. nigger faggot kikes in paradise
+06. Ronald Rickdonald Rickrolls Your Dick (Rick &amp; Nora's Rickfinite Rickmix. feat. Rick James prod. Rick Ruben (Sandwich))
+07. I looked outside and did not care for what I saw
+08.
+09.
+10.
+--- 115895500
+jim willy johnson
+--- 115895503
+>>115895495
+it's gonna be a good one lads I can feel it
+--- 115895506
+The Sexual Tension of John Cena and Vin Diesel in F9
+--- 115895509
+Ballad of William Bonin, Famous Boy Rapist
+--- 115895532
+Cum Cookies
+--- 115895535
+Sam Smith’s Unholy [Baha Men Remix]
+--- 115895540
+I am just so fucking cool.
+--- 115895548
+Remix (Remix)
+--- 115895551
+Why didn't the Eagles just fly to Mordor with the One Ring?
+--- 115895565
+I prefer the smell of unwashed puss
+--- 115895567
+Clonazepam bender
+--- 115895570
+Gay Jesus Type Beat
+--- 115895577
+My Favorite Sambo
+--- 115895584
+Tupac Was a Monkey
+--- 115895588
+Heroin Needle?! In My Dick???!!!
+--- 115895593
+>>115895491
+reroll
+--- 115895599
+tracklist is done, dubs count for the rest now
+artist:
+album:
+cover:
+01. richard suck
+02. Shaving Ryan's Privates
+03. i am legally married to a blow up doll
+04. I'll make it a track because I am kind
+05. nigger faggot kikes in paradise
+06. Ronald Rickdonald Rickrolls Your Dick (Rick &amp; Nora's Rickfinite Rickmix. feat. Rick James prod. Rick Ruben (Sandwich))
+07. I looked outside and did not care for what I saw
+08. jim willy johnson
+09. My Favorite Sambo
+10. Heroin Needle?! In My Dick???!!!
+--- 115895607
+LIL CLITORIS
+--- 115895621
+Pee Wee Gaskins Tribute Band
+--- 115895633
+Racism Club
+--- 115895635
+album name:
+why didnt you tell me about it you fuckin useless piece of shit of a board
+--- 115895650
+Pee Wee Gaskins Tribute Album
+--- 115895652
+Banana Salad
+--- 115895664
+Love!
+--- 115895666
+>>115895588
+Heroin Needle?! In My Dick???!!! is such a good name for the closer lmao
+--- 115895683
+just need a cover
+artist: Racism Club
+album: Heroin Needle?! In My Dick???!!! is such a good name for the closer lmao
+cover:
+01. richard suck
+02. Shaving Ryan's Privates
+03. i am legally married to a blow up doll
+04. I'll make it a track because I am kind
+05. nigger faggot kikes in paradise
+06. Ronald Rickdonald Rickrolls Your Dick (Rick &amp; Nora's Rickfinite Rickmix. feat. Rick James prod. Rick Ruben (Sandwich))
+07. I looked outside and did not care for what I saw
+08. jim willy johnson
+09. My Favorite Sambo
+10. Heroin Needle?! In My Dick???!!!
+--- 115895703
+>>115895683
+damn lol that wasnt supposed to be a get you should just defer it to an actually a good name
+--- 115895709
+>>115895703
+It's a beautiful name and I love it deeply.
+--- 115895724
+>>115895707
+reroll
+--- 115895743
+>>115895635
+rerolling these delicious halloumi
+--- 115895781
+>>115895739
+reroll
+--- 115895824
+>>115895798
+damn gotta give this a roll since anon actually put effort in
+--- 115895834
+>>115895812
+close
+reroll
+--- 115895847
+we need a pic of a needle actually stabbing into a dick, anyone?
+--- 115895857
+the game
+--- 115895863
+It's done and it looks beautiful.
+artist: Racism Club
+album: Heroin Needle?! In My Dick???!!! is such a good name for the closer lmao
+cover: >>115895844
+01. richard suck
+02. Shaving Ryan's Privates
+03. i am legally married to a blow up doll
+04. I'll make it a track because I am kind
+05. nigger faggot kikes in paradise
+06. Ronald Rickdonald Rickrolls Your Dick (Rick &amp; Nora's Rickfinite Rickmix. feat. Rick James prod. Rick Ruben (Sandwich))
+07. I looked outside and did not care for what I saw
+08. jim willy johnson
+09. My Favorite Sambo
+10. Heroin Needle?! In My Dick???!!!
+you are free to claim tracks
+--- 115895871
+>>115895844
+lol this is good. I did just find this maybe for back cover?
+--- 115895889
+>>115895491
+Reroll again
+--- 115895895
+>>115895863
+claiming richard suck
+--- 115895928
+>>115895871
+>>115895892
+>>115895907
+>>115895920
+why are there so many pictures of this
+artist: Racism Club
+album: Heroin Needle?! In My Dick???!!! is such a good name for the closer lmao
+cover: >>115895844
+>01. richard suck
+02. Shaving Ryan's Privates
+03. i am legally married to a blow up doll
+04. I'll make it a track because I am kind
+05. nigger faggot kikes in paradise
+06. Ronald Rickdonald Rickrolls Your Dick (Rick &amp; Nora's Rickfinite Rickmix. feat. Rick James prod. Rick Ruben (Sandwich))
+07. I looked outside and did not care for what I saw
+08. jim willy johnson
+09. My Favorite Sambo
+10. Heroin Needle?! In My Dick???!!!
+> means claimed
+>> means delivered
+--- 115895946
+>>115895928
+--- 115895958
+72 Seasons
+--- 115895976
+>>115895495
+Death by a thousand paper cuts
+--- 115896022
+OH YEAH IM FEELING IT
+--- 115896027
+>album title is the band bragging about the name of their last song
+--- 115896069
+gonna do one but I don't know what to claim yet I'll check back later
+--- 115896081
+bald edge from u2
+--- 115896104
+>>115895928
+Claiming I looked outside and did not care for what I saw
+--- 115896117
+>>115896081
+Lol
+--- 115896215
+>>115895928
+Claimin 10
+--- 115896219
+artist: Racism Club
+album: Heroin Needle?! In My Dick???!!! is such a good name for the closer lmao
+cover: >>115895844
+>01. richard suck
+02. Shaving Ryan's Privates
+03. i am legally married to a blow up doll
+04. I'll make it a track because I am kind
+05. nigger faggot kikes in paradise
+06. Ronald Rickdonald Rickrolls Your Dick (Rick &amp; Nora's Rickfinite Rickmix. feat. Rick James prod. Rick Ruben (Sandwich))
+>07. I looked outside and did not care for what I saw
+08. jim willy johnson
+09. My Favorite Sambo
+>10. Heroin Needle?! In My Dick???!!!
+> means claimed
+>> means delivered
+--- 115896327
+>>115896219
+claim track 3
+--- 115896545
+I claim track 9
+--- 115896552
+artist: Racism Club
+album: Heroin Needle?! In My Dick???!!! is such a good name for the closer lmao
+cover: >>115895844
+>01. richard suck
+02. Shaving Ryan's Privates
+>03. i am legally married to a blow up doll
+04. I'll make it a track because I am kind
+05. nigger faggot kikes in paradise
+06. Ronald Rickdonald Rickrolls Your Dick (Rick &amp; Nora's Rickfinite Rickmix. feat. Rick James prod. Rick Ruben (Sandwich))
+>07. I looked outside and did not care for what I saw
+08. jim willy johnson
+>09. My Favorite Sambo
+>10. Heroin Needle?! In My Dick???!!!
+> means claimed
+>> means delivered
+--- 115897730
+>>115896552
+>artist: Racism Club
+>05. nigger faggot kikes in paradise
+>06. Ronald Rickdonald Rickrolls Your Dick (Rick &amp; Nora's Rickfinite Rickmix. feat. Rick James prod. Rick Ruben (Sandwich))
+>07. I looked outside and did not care for what I saw
+don't let me down, bros; this is gold
+--- 115897831
+>>115897730
+chill im working on my track as we speak
+--- 115897923
+>>115897831
+text doesn't convey tone :(
+--- 115897938
+>>115897923
+yeah thats why we makin music ;)
+--- 115898324
+In Yedolf Hitler's bunker
+--- 115898662
+I claim ronald rickdonald
+--- 115898672
+artist: Racism Club
+album: Heroin Needle?! In My Dick???!!! is such a good name for the closer lmao
+cover: >>115895844
+>01. richard suck
+02. Shaving Ryan's Privates
+>03. i am legally married to a blow up doll
+04. I'll make it a track because I am kind
+05. nigger faggot kikes in paradise
+>06. Ronald Rickdonald Rickrolls Your Dick (Rick &amp; Nora's Rickfinite Rickmix. feat. Rick James prod. Rick Ruben (Sandwich))
+>07. I looked outside and did not care for what I saw
+08. jim willy johnson
+>09. My Favorite Sambo
+>10. Heroin Needle?! In My Dick???!!!
+> means claimed
+>> means delivered
+--- 115898686
+yall i was at my girl's house imma start working on my track now
+--- 115899303
+This shit gettin too good
+--- 115900225
+The bandcamps are going down one after the other... The ball boys, the rotten egg 404ed... All these shitposts lost, like tears in the rain
+--- 115900732
+i think watching coachella will affect my music creation, and others too
+--- 115901379
+>>115900225
+we need to find a better way to host and archive these.
+--- 115901389
+>>115901379
+archive.org is gonna die too.
+--- 115901448
+>>115901389
+shut up fucknuts
+--- 115902131
+almost done with this McPiece of shit
+--- 115902219
+Italians
+--- 115902476
+>>115901379
+Nobody's gonna host the edginess of here unfortunately I'm afraid
+And I'll never hear "I'm the illest motherfucker alive (shoegaze)" again. I shoulda saved that one
+>>115902219
+si?
+--- 115902762
+>>115901379
+rip /mu/enterprises
+https://youtube.com/@muenterprises1940
+--- 115902834
+>>115902219
+Different anon, but reroll
+--- 115904131
+Presenting... Track 6... Ronald Rickdonald Rickrolls Your Dick (Rick &amp; Nora's Rickfinite Rickmix. feat. Rick James prod. Rick Ruben (Sandwich))
+.....aka get me out of this McHell I'm McFucking done with this shit
+https://vocaroo.com/11YqnrHTwj9j
+--- 115904167
+Scene bitch cum zone in the bathroom stall (fuck me this music is shit but that ass is fire)
+--- 115904283
+A Joyful Noise
+--- 115904594
+I'll claim track 8- Jim Willy Johnson
+--- 115904800
+>>115904594
+based
+--- 115904833
+anyone know where I can still download this album?
+--- 115905967
+>>115904594
+Bumping so we don't lose the thread. I'll have to record during the day but I'll try not to keep you all waiting.
+--- 115907115
+last bump before bed
+I better see claimed tracks in the morning, anon, or I will be having a word with your mother about your tendy privileges
+--- 115907894
+i’m looking forward to the finished product, godspeed anons
+--- 115909433
+>>115895871
+>>115895889
+>>115895907
+>>115895920
+>>115895934
+>>115895946
+>>115895959
+>>115895985
+>>115896001
+>>115896022
+I just had a dream about becoming a drug addict, thanks asshole
+--- 115909487
+>>115898672
+claiming 4
+--- 115910813
+bumpu
+--- 115911420
+>>115898672
+claiming 2
+--- 115911984
+>>115911420
+delivering the slop. eat up https://voca.ro/1n3CJXwrSEas
+--- 115912087
+>>115898672
+claiming 5
+--- 115912424
+Ok i woke up ima work on me song now dont depart without me faggs
+--- 115912561
+all tracks claimed, hell yeah
+>>115911984
+I thought this was gonna be shit cause you did it in an hour but actually it’s pretty catchy
+--- 115913179
+Greetings
+https://vocaroo.com/1dit2ZaCQqDQ
+--- 115913202
+>>115913179
+>https://vocaroo.com/1dit2ZaCQqDQ
+this is exactly how I talk to my dogs lmao
+--- 115913216
+>>115912087
+https://vocaroo.com/1gpb5hyM6kdX
+--- 115913585
+>>115904833
+sorry I don't have that one :/
+--- 115913652
+>>115913216
+based
+--- 115914121
+>>115909433
+This one should be a bonus track
+--- 115914201
+Delivering track 10 https://voca.ro/11DCYUQ92BgD
+>>115911984
+This song is great, sounds really unnerving and panicky
+>>115913216
+shitpost-core
+--- 115914383
+>>115914201
+Based
+--- 115914498
+d-did you guise listen to track 6?
+I-I uh,. ... I worked really hard on it ._.
+>https://vocaroo.com/11YqnrHTwj9j
+--- 115914515
+>>115914498
+i listen to whole albums, not spare tracks
+--- 115914521
+>>115914201
+this is perfect lmao
+--- 115914540
+>>115914121
+true
+--- 115914555
+>>115914498
+I've never listened to music in my life and I'm not about to start now.
+--- 115914557
+>>115914515
+ok
+--- 115914566
+>>115914498
+Now I have.
+Trippy.
+--- 115914643
+>>115914555
+based tripple
+--- 115914694
+>>115914498
+Sorry dood, it's cool as a patchwork of random song bits, pretty freaky
+--- 115914944
+>>115914694
+>>115914566
+:) thx its the mcdonalds insanity video + rick astely everlong cover. ok I'm gonna help out OP and do the thing
+artist: Racism Club
+album: Heroin Needle?! In My Dick???!!! is such a good name for the closer lmao
+cover: >>115895844
+>01. richard suck
+>>02. Shaving Ryan's Privates
+>https://voca.ro/1n3CJXwrSEas
+>03. i am legally married to a blow up doll
+>04. I'll make it a track because I am kind
+>>05. nigger faggot kikes in paradise
+>https://vocaroo.com/1gpb5hyM6kdX
+>>06. Ronald Rickdonald Rickrolls Your Dick (Rick &amp; Nora's Rickfinite Rickmix. feat. Rick James prod. Rick Ruben (Sandwich))
+>https://vocaroo.com/11YqnrHTwj9j
+>07. I looked outside and did not care for what I saw
+>08. jim willy johnson
+>09. My Favorite Sambo
+>>10. Heroin Needle?! In My Dick???!!!
+>https://voca.ro/11DCYUQ92BgD
+> means claimed
+>> means delivered
+Bonus tracks??
+>https://vocaroo.com/1dit2ZaCQqDQ
+>>115909433
+I just had a dream about becoming a drug addict, thanks asshole
+>>115904833
+anyone know where I can still download this album?
+--- 115915065
+>>115914944
+Not funny in the slightest bro, sorry.
+--- 115915129
+>>115915065
+hi can I help you
+--- 115915639
+>>115915129
+My dreams won't be much different this night huh
+--- 115915877
+Weird
+--- 115915916
+Didnt listen to anything here never will lol
+--- 115915987
+>>115914980 →
+--- 115916086
+I ate too much cant sing :/
+--- 115916190
+>>115916086
+don't worry lad have a rest
+--- 115916218
+>>115916190
+&lt;3
+--- 115916799
+Will this thread survive another 12+ hours or should I finish this before tomorrow
+--- 115916948
+>>115916799
+Ideally, both :)
+--- 115917607
+>>115895895
+https://vocaroo.com/1nXoCulHMCHM
+delivering track 1
+--- 115917706
+>>115917607
+kek, nice
+--- 115917723
+>>115917607
+it kino
+--- 115917844
+>>115917607
+lol @ 1:20 this is primo
+--- 115918334
+We're working on track 8 finally. Should be delivering soon.
+--- 115918343
+>>115918334
+Nobody cares lass
+--- 115918357
+>>115917706
+>>115917723
+>>115917844
+Didnt listen
+--- 115918382
+>>115918343
+>>115918357
+didn't ask
+--- 115918401
+>>115918382
+Femcuck thread?
+--- 115918407
+back to /bleep/ with you matthew, we're having fun in here
+--- 115918443
+>>115918407
+There is no matthew
+--- 115918468
+Cody turn me up!
+--- 115918507
+>>115895287 (OP)
+Bump
+--- 115918522
+>>115918443
+OK matthew
+--- 115918884
+>>115918522
+*marshall
+--- 115919121
+>>115918443
+who's the qt
+--- 115919161
+delivering track 8- jim willy johnson
+https://vocaroo.com/1eJilQanOc82
+--- 115919243
+>>115919161
+nice
+--- 115919252
+>>115919161
+O I am groovin

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+-----
+--- 115896656
+>HOLY GUACAMOLE!
+>IS THAT MY FAVORITE ALBUM BEING REMADE WITH HECKIN VIDEOGAME SOUNDS???
+>TYRONE GET OVER HERE! YOU HAVE GOT TO HEAR THIS!!!
+--- 115896725
+Imagine getting upset over this.
+--- 115896991
+The KoRn one was kinda comfy desu
+--- 115897007
+>>115896991
+whaaat gotta check that one out
+--- 115897015
+>>115896991
+>>115897007
+its great. you know music is well made when it still slaps on a different intrument. they all sound like final boss themes lol.
+--- 115897027
+>>115897015
+>>115897007
+>>115896991
+i don't have a soijack big enough
+--- 115897041
+>>115897027
+im glad :)
+--- 115897044
+>>115897027
+>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOP ENJOYING THINGS I DON'T LIKE!!!!
+--- 115897064
+>>115897044
+enjoy whatever you want, doesn't make you any less gay because yuou like gay shit
+--- 115897083
+>>115897064
+If you want some too just ask bby
+--- 115899324
+all of these sound like complete dogshit
+--- 115899773
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdTa6yDxKVk [Embed]
+--- 115899791
+>>115896656 (OP)
+is there any example of this that isn't just a midi swap?
+--- 115899868
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahZo4Ts6j_E [Embed]
+--- 115903727
+i remember i bought a version of lateralus that was made entirely with music boxes or something, it was pretty good to be honest
+--- 115904064
+The nirvana one is really cool
+--- 115905188
+>>115896656 (OP)
+https://on4word.bandcamp.com/album/in-rainbow-roads
+I've never heard the original because I heard one radiohead song the music from end of film or something and thought his singing was really lame, and I've never liked creep but I heard this version and really liked it. would I actually like the original album? I've never wanted to get into radiohead just cause of the constant shilling making me assume they probably suck but maybe they're ok
+--- 115905260
+>>115896991
+>>115897007
+>>115897015
+>>115897041
+>>115897044
+>>115904064
+>>115905188
+--- 115907150
+>>115905260
+Wtf how did you get this picture of me
+--- 115907446
+>>115905188
+who the fuck is "shilling" radiohead you gay avant faggot lmao you can't even mention them without getting half the board screaming for your death
+--- 115907682
+>>115896656 (OP)
+what's the point of this? there is no "n64 soundfont", it had no dedicated audio unit it was just arbitrary samples or waveforms
+--- 115911529
+>>115907682
+not sure but it's pretty cool to be honest. I'm a massive toolfag tho, so no wonder I get a boner about it
+--- 115912368
+>>115907682
+>what's the point of this?
+Fun
+--- 115912377
+>>115896656 (OP)
+vicarious sounds amazing
+--- 115914429
+>>115907446
+avant faggots are the ones shilling radiohead...
+--- 115916646
+Were people actually upset about this? It looks like it was made by a Tool fan.

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+-----
+--- 115901806
+>1.5 million views in 5 hours
+>#3 trending video worldwide
+we are so fucking back 6ix9ine bros. Literally no one can stop us.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB1KQhbGtiM [Embed]
+--- 115902073
+SCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM GAAAAAAAAAAAAANGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
+--- 115902100
+>put 20 gangbanging niggers in jail
+He based af. Even said the N word on Univision the other day.
+--- 115902109
+this thread breaks rule 2
+--- 115902192
+>Only 1.5 million views in 5 hours for a modern rap artist
+It's fucking over scumgangbrosfamilytachipai.........
+--- 115902335
+>>115902100
+hes part black
+--- 115902412
+what is this fifa ahhh music
+--- 115902825
+>>115902335
+since when
+--- 115903034
+>>115902825
+his dad is Puerto Rican afro latinx also his baby mommas are black
+--- 115903619
+>>115901806 (OP)
+--- 115904169
+Holy shit he can’t stop winning
+--- 115904214
+I didnt like it, I want to hear gangs and shootings, not a fast and furious song
+--- 115904225
+>>115901806 (OP)
+6ix9ine is the Andrew Tate of music
+--- 115904592
+>>115901806 (OP)
+It’s beautiful that tekashi is making ads for unicef now
+--- 115905147
+>>115902825
+Puerto Ricans are all part black dumb whiteboy. Even the white Puerto Ricans have some black ancestry.
+--- 115905164
+>>115901806 (OP)
+I watched his sex tape he lasts for 2 minutes
+--- 115905712
+>>115901806 (OP)
+literally wtf is this. he started switching to what I'll assume is the most generic style of pop in Mexico around tattletales and this stuff is genuinely unlistenable.
+>>115902412
+I've never played fifa but I do feel it sounds like this
+--- 115906239
+>>115905147
+say that to white boricuas and they'll say hell naw kek
+--- 115906689
+>>115904225
+that's an insult to 6ix9ine.
+--- 115908247
+>>115901806 (OP)
+not even cancelling and blackballing this man can stop him
+what a force of nature
+--- 115908313
+I wonder what all the hood guys who didn’t snitch think when they hear how my nigga 6ix9ine is producing bangers every month. Snitching was based and nothing of value was lost.
+--- 115911183
+hes balding hardcore
+--- 115911264
+>>115901806 (OP)
+>0:38
+WTF ARE YOU DOING NOOOO PUT HIM DOWN AHHHH
+--- 115911286
+>>115901806 (OP)
+It's smart of him to target Afro-Latino music and ditch the gangsta rap. One gets you a constant supply of hot, wet, fresh tropical pussy, the other gets you dirty city street pussy and beatings.
+--- 115911302
+>>115906239
+Doesn't matter what they say. My mom is a white Puerto Rican, people even think she's just a gringa but she speaks fluent Spanish and has like 12% African DNA.
+--- 115911316
+>>115911183
+that's what happens when you do so much crazy shit to your hair
+--- 115911327
+>>115901806 (OP)
+Not available in Russia.
+--- 115911378
+>>115911327
+good
+fuck pidors
+--- 115911389
+>>115911378
+>fuck pidors
+I'm glad that you agree that there's nothing wrong with blasting femboy bussy.
+--- 115911408
+>>115911302
+so ur saying just because 69's mom could potentially have some kind of low percentage of african ancestry he's allowed to say the word? goofy
+--- 115911457
+>>115911302
+Puerto ricans are not true latin americans, they are all gringos as well
+--- 115911652
+>>115901806 (OP)
+i love the juxaposition of black monkey kids having fun with the big booty bitch seductively dancing.
+certainly not goyslop made to make you think of horrible shit
+--- 115911939
+>>115911408
+Yup, and I make the same claim for myself being a Puerto Rican with only 33% African. I don't care if it makes blacks or woke whites seethe.
+--- 115912056
+That little kid is gonna have cte
+--- 115912146
+>>115911327
+'sey on the 'u/
+--- 115913048
+>>115911939
+shit okay, I'm 2% African myself, guess I'll say it now, thanks
+--- 115913072
+>>115913048
+Good. Language policing is fucking commie shit.
+--- 115914243
+>>115908313
+snitching really is based, caring about "street rules" is some of the most cuck shit imaginable that's like caring about the law but even more bootlicker and pathetic
+--- 115916778
+>>115902412
+kek, true tho
+--- 115916810
+>>115901806 (OP)
+Sounds and looks mid af. That nigga got lazy old lmao
+--- 115917874
+>>115903619
+/thread
+--- 115917931
+>>115901806 (OP)
+Ayyy. Wasn't expecting world cup music.
+--- 115918872
+>>115901806 (OP)
+WTF is this shit?!
+>>115902100
+Jim Bob, you are right, but for ALL the wrong reasons.
+He put away disloyal, predatory, self-harming gang members. One of the reasons he's probably still alive is because everyone agrees those backstabbing fucks had to go, but even after paying other members of the gang to kill them, they refused, so he was left with no choice.
+--- 115918918
+>>115901806 (OP)
+Whoever uploaded this wrote "feat." twice and just left it like that

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+-----
+--- 115902548
+>>115902534 (OP)
+>I'm going off the rails of the crazy train
+--- 115902579
+>>115902534 (OP)
+I Love Satan
+Satan is my Dad
+--- 115903125
+>>115902534 (OP)
+Oh no no please God help me
+--- 115903225
+>>115902534 (OP)
+LOOK INTO MY EYES, YOU’LL SEE WHO I AM
+MY NAME IS LUCIFER, PLEASE TAKE MY HAND
+--- 115903371
+>>115902534 (OP)
+OH LORD YEAH
+>inb4 wrong album
+--- 115903473
+>>115902534 (OP)
+>I AM IRON MANNNN
+>>115903125
+>Don Stepped
+if anyone knows this album I will be happy for a year
+--- 115903559
+>>115903473
+Wrong album for BLack Sabbath
+--- 115903659
+>>115903559
+my first thought was the christion song but that is from the purple album
+--- 115903740
+>>115903473
+based Dexys
+(actially its just me again)
+--- 115903757
+>>115903473
+wrong sabbath album, retard
+--- 115903795
+>>115903757
+Generals gathered in their MASSES! Just like witches at black masses.
+--- 115903880
+>>115903740
+I'M IN HEEEEEEEAVEN!
+I'M IN HEEEEEEEEEEEEEAVEN
+I'M IN HEEEEEEEAVEN
+--- 115903914
+>>115902534 (OP)
+Vol 4 is their greatet work
+--- 115903929
+>>115903757
+>wrong
+OP simply said the first lyric that came to mind, not necessarily from the specific album posted.
+--- 115903981
+>>115903880
+HOLY SHIT A DEXYS FAN
+Watch this brother, especially "believe in my soul"
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15KCyxg0YPQ&amp; [Embed]
+also
+>OHHHHH GEENO
+>>115903857
+>A HOUSE FOR SALEE
+--- 115904031
+>>115902534 (OP)
+I'M GOING TO FEEEEEEEEL
+--- 115904077
+>>115902534 (OP)
+>What is this...that stands before me?
+--- 115904157
+>>115902534 (OP)
+My name is Lucifer, please take my hand
+--- 115904182
+>>115904157
+PRETTY WOMAN, WALKING THE DOWN THE STREET
+PRETTY WOMAN, THE KIND I LIKE TO MEET
+anyways just pick one
+--- 115904224
+>>115904182
+I'll do anything to make you cum
+--- 115904248
+>>115903880
+TELLL MEE WHEN MY LIGHT TURNS GREEEEN
+--- 115904262
+>>115904128
+>@BekddnakkKJwjsnekamMenxnNNUrnzjJansbz
+--- 115904298
+>>115904128
+sleeeep like a pillow
+--- 115904330
+>>115904182
+I don't know my future after this weekend
+And I don't want to
+--- 115904593
+>>115904182
+This nigga is Diavolo
+--- 115905109
+>>115904330
+YOU'RE AN IIIIIIIIIIIIDIOT BABE... IT'S A WOOOOOOOOOOOONDER HOW YOU STILL KNOW HOW TO BREEEEEEEATHE
+--- 115908254
+>>115904157
+REISE REISE, SEEMANN REISE!
+--- 115909438
+this will be the end my friend
+satan's coming round the bend
+--- 115910947
+>>115902534 (OP)
+WHAT IS THIS THAT STANDS BEFORE ME
+>>115904330
+IF YOU SEE HER SAY HELLO, SHE MIGHT BE IN TANGIER
+>>115904157
+BILL GOT HIMSELF A WIFE
+NOW HE LEADS A DIFFERENT LIFE
+BIG BAD BILL IS SWEET WILLIAM NOW
+(clarinet riff)
+>>115903473
+IN TIME IN TIME
+>>115903740
+COME ON EILEEN
+>>115903880
+(chanting) GENO GENO GENO
+--- 115911083
+>>115910947
+TELL ME IS SOMETHING ELUDING YOU SUNSHINE
+>>115904351
+everything you do
+>>115904182
+CRYYYIN CAUSE IIIII NEED YOU
+--- 115911146
+>>115903914
+based and agreed
+--- 115911152
+>>115904182
+i can't believe the news today
+--- 115913025
+>>115904128
+I don't know how you could not love me now
+--- 115913042
+>>115904182
+The apocalypse is here, o' fools of the withering skies
+--- 115913082
+>>115904351
+ARROWHEADS ARROWHEADS
+THANK GOD, ITS OVER
+--- 115913083
+>>115902534 (OP)
+Now the first day that I met ya'
+I was looking at the sky
+>>115905109
+SEASON CYCLE MOVING ROUND AND ROUND
+PUSHING LIFE UP FROM A COLD DEAD GROUND
+IT'S GROWING GREEEEEEEEEEEEN
+--- 115913090
+>>115902534 (OP)
+>Satan's sitting there, he's smiling
+>>115903125
+>I miss you
+>>115904128
+>When I look at you
+>>115904351
+>I feel the top of the roof come off
+>>115913025
+>Shapes and colors are all I see
+--- 115913140
+>>115902534 (OP)
+OOOOH NOOOOOO
+>>115903659
+big iron on his hip
+>>115904128
+dut dut dut dut BROOOOW BREEEEW BROOOOW BREEEEEW BROOOOOW BREEEEEW BROOOOW BREEEEEW DUT DUT DUT DUT
+>>115904351
+i don't wanna live at all
+>>115910947
+hello hello hello is there anybody in there
+>>115911083
+bounce bounce bounce bounce
+--- 115913147
+>>115903125
+I MISS YOOOOOOU
+>>115904128
+Tiptoe dooooooown to the loooonely plaaaaces
+>>115904351
+weeee wiiiish weeee were deeeead
+>>115910947
+i've got 13 channels of shit on the tv to choose from
+>>115913090
+i thought she'd beeeee there holding daisies, she always waits for me
+--- 115913172
+>>115910947
+ANOTHER BFRICK IN DA WALL
+>>115904128
+FEEL (the rest I cant understand)
+--- 115913299
+>>115902534 (OP)
+Oh no nmo no God help me
+--- 115913806
+>>115913083
+Happy birthday to you all
+I hope you really had a ball
+And when you're walking up the road
+I hope you finally explode!!
+>>115910947
+CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZYYYYYYYY TOYS IN THE ATTIC I AM CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAZYYYYYYYY
+>>115913140
+I CAN'T GIIIIIIIIIIIVE EVERYTHING
+I CAN'T GIIIIIIIIIIIVE EVERYTHING
+AWAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
+>>115913147
+HELLO MY NAME IS JOHNNY!
+--- 115913889
+>>115904330
+I like your smile
+And your fingertips
+Like the way that you move your hips
+I like the cool way you look at me
+Everything about you is bringing me misery
+--- 115914019
+>>115913889
+OB LA DI OB LA DA LIFE GOES ON BRAAAAH
+--- 115914114
+>>115902534 (OP)
+WHAT IS THIS THAT STAAANDS BEFORE ME
+>>115903125
+don stepped outside
+>>115904128
+WHEN I LOOK AT YOU OH I DON'T KNOW WHATS REAL
+>>115910947
+ARE THERE ANY QUEERS IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT PUT THEM UP AGAINST THE WALL
+>>115913140
+I CANT GIVE EVERYTHING AWAY
+>>115913147
+SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE SACRED SILENCE AND SLEEP
+>>115913889
+DEAR PRUDENCE WON'T YOU COME OUT TO PLAAAAAY
+--- 115914229
+>>115902534 (OP)
+WHAT IS THIS
+THAT STANDS BEFORE ME
+--- 115914663
+>>115913806
+Why, why, why are we sleeping
+--- 115914858
+>>115902534 (OP)
+LOOK INTO MY EYES, YOU'LL SEE WHO I AM
+MY NAME IS LUCIFER, PLEASE TAKE MY HAND
+>>115903125
+I stepped out onto the midway
+--- 115915690
+>>115908254
+Ohne dich, ohne dich...
+>>115910947
+I've become Comfortably numb
+>>115913147
+They're trying to build a prison, they're trying to build a prison!!
+--- 115915744
+>>115902534 (OP)
+MISTY MORNING, CLOUDS IN THE SKY!!! WITHOUT WARNING, THE WIZARD WALKS BY
+>>115903659
+When he tried to match the ranger with the big iron on his hip
+>big iron on his hiiiiiiiiiup
+>>115910947
+MOTHER DO YOU THINK THEY'LL BREAK MY BALLS
+>>115913090
+She thinks she missed the train to mars, she's out back counting stars
+>>115913147
+the toxicity of our cityyyy of our cityyyyy
+>>115913889
+I GOT BLISTAS ON MY FINGAS
+--- 115915754
+>>115914114
+>How do you say you're okay to an answering machine?
+--- 115915761
+>>115913140
+look up here i'm in heaven
+>>115913147
+when angels deserve to die
+>>115915690
+the title
+>>115913889
+when i get to da bottom
+--- 115917265
+>>115902534 (OP)
+HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHO IS HIS FATHER
+>>115913090
+EVERYONE IS ON
+>>115913147
+SCIENCE
+HAS FAILED
+OUR WORLD
+>>115913889
+TELL ME TELL ME TELL ME

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+-----
+--- 115903183
+.
+--- 115903193
+https://soundcloud.com/mephisto_waltz
+>Noise, Drone, Ambient, Electronic
+--- 115903224
+>>115903183 (OP)
+https://soundcloud.com/chromedealer/onyourmarks
+https://chromedealer.bandcamp.com/
+>idm
+>jungle
+>atmospheric dnb
+>>115903193
+very nice
+--- 115903241
+>>115903224
+Big fan as always
+--- 115903516
+https://notnow000.bandcamp.com/album/--3
+>idm
+>breakcore
+&lt;3&lt;3&lt;3
+--- 115904292
+>>115903183 (OP)
+>something something music
+>something regarded but cool but
+https://on.soundcloud.com/epd27
+--- 115904346
+https://cosmoline.bandcamp.com/album/cosmoline
+>shoegaze, alt
+--- 115904817
+>V8 Stoner Riffs
+>Supercharged drumming
+>1987 Chevy Van
+Listen to King Of The 101 by Bobby Bonzig on #SoundCloud
+https://on.soundcloud.com/M1Jt2
+>>115903224
+What is the keyboard sound you are using starting about 1:12 it I want to borrow it. You also have good drum sounds.
+>>115904346
+Jangly guitars and reverb vox u guys sound very english.
+--- 115904955
+>>115903224
+>>115903193
+Big recs
+>mathrock with a whollop
+>mostly instrumental
+>one man band
+https://mollywhollop.bandcamp.com/album/its-all-good-man
+https://soundcloud.com/mollywhollop
+--- 115904982
+>>115904817
+thanks! keyboad is rhodes with filter sweeps
+--- 115906248
+recs: >>115903193 as always
+>>115904346
+GENRE:
+>rap
+>plugnb
+>soul
+>kino
+>trap
+>house
+>acoustic
+>drain gangv
+>lyrical rap
+https://on.soundcloud.com/YFPoa
+yes, lil trapphone just released a new track
+--- 115907520
+>>115906248
+Vocals need to come way down in the mix.
+>>115904955
+It's All Good Man is still golden. Hope you are doing well.
+If any of you want feedback/constructive criticism from me, drop a link in my Discord or just ask me here.
+>Horrorcore - Industrial - Hip-Hop
+>Nah [Nasty AF] Remix
+https://soundcloud.com/ryanderanged/nah-produced-by-laurel-sane
+>Discord
+https://discord.gg/SGfFXdH
+--- 115907580
+Planning on releasing something in like a month or so :)
+https://madachren.bandcamp.com/album/suite-no-2
+>electronic
+>(dark) ambient
+>drone
+>new age
+>prog electronics
+my yt
+https://www.youtube.com/@madachren5820
+>>115903193
+cool stuff
+--- 115908113
+WELCOME TO THE LANDFILL INDIE REVIVAL
+>New single
+>Indie Rock
+>Parody of the mid-00's UK Indie scene
+https://fetidanus.bandcamp.com/track/landfill-indie-revival
+https://open.spotify.com/album/0nNPQ67TT99tz7Cj90qc0r?si=iur10xCXTXO0xQTeYSMzVA&amp;context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A0nNPQ67TT99tz7Cj90qc0r
+Lyric video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukKwZzgRqVc [Embed]
+Rec
+>>115904955
+--- 115908522
+>>115903193
+>>115903224
+Recs
+>THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS DAPMASTERNASTY
+>POST-SHILL, SYNTH PUNK, DRUM JERK OFF
+>FUN WITH A PURPOSE
+https://soundcloud.com/dmn2399
+https://dapmasternasty.bandcamp.com/
+https://youtu.be/n_wrz3WFIag [Embed]
+Shill compilation
+https://postcrashilluminists.bandcamp.com/
+https://youtu.be/6_Irri3Og1g [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/zSyMqoo3YrA [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/lIVau0nTFgI [Embed]
+--- 115908649
+>>115903183 (OP)
+https://blueskiedanclear.bandcamp.com/album/--3
+>ambient
+--- 115909009
+>>115903224 very calming, good blend between the fast drums and mellow synth.
+>>115907520 ill always rec my boi ryan, cool shit as always.
+>>115908522
+RECS
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzHQ8IeK5fw [Embed]
+https://soundcloud.com/deadartmusic/sets/redacted-actions
+https://declaredbraindead.bandcamp.com/album/redacted-actions
+https://open.spotify.com/album/20Pvakh68zuqH9TJg5DYfa?si=HkBx3FSST3uHZI0y4U6vEA
+>Industrial
+>Punkish
+>Angry
+>Dark
+>Some Electronic stuff
+>:^)
+--- 115909320
+https://youtu.be/Svjep4iO6wg [Embed]
+>sampled vocals
+>drum breaks
+>many synths
+>synth pop
+>groovy
+>not in english
+THOUGHTS?
+--- 115909379
+>beats created by my friend
+>vocals and lyrics by me
+>Mostly rap with a little singing
+>for the meme I got one Have A Nice Life Cover
+>recs for those who wanna listen: Have Heart, give me a minute lmao, and Twerp
+Any feedback would be dope.
+anyways recs:
+>>115908113
+>>115904955
+--- 115909396
+>>115909379
+I'm also retarded. Here's the link to my shite: https://soundcloud.com/kamran-lurch
+--- 115912258
+https://soundcloud.com/hazhish/pollen
+>sextrance
+>ecco2k vocals
+Reccs
+>>115909009
+>>115908649
+>>115908522
+>>115907580
+>>115903224
+>>115909320
+--- 115912339
+https://fedtobeasts.bandcamp.com
+https://soundcloud.com/fedtobeasts
+Album A
+https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hqEc23gcLW0 [Embed]
+Newer song
+https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tGoCyeVvkhE [Embed]
+>classical
+>electronic
+>rpg
+>don’t die
+*second album projected to be finished before the year 2030
+Rec
+>>115903193
+>>115903224
+>>115904955
+>>115907580
+>>115908522
+--- 115912404
+https://soundcloud.com/disorientedsucks/leech
+>90s indie rock
+--- 115912444
+https://voca.ro/178RwTG8lf1P
+shilling this cover of 'the mall' by 100 gecs i did drunk at 4am last night. i know theres some bum notes but what do u think
+--- 115912638
+>korean
+>indie rock
+>a bit of shoegaze and post rock
+--- 115912647
+>>115912638
+for got link
+https://open.spotify.com/album/15kNBexxRHOFvcYeo2HDbE?si=XF2M1P5zTlmdnhlWJSrBTQ
+--- 115912732
+https://basicunitproductions.bandcamp.com/album/avida-dollars
+> Prankster Lofi Outsider Industrial
+> Cassette Limited to 55 copies
+> Music Videos
+https://youtu.be/LJytyodfWh4 [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/t1TaAXzQt0g [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/nw9Xjh2gjVg [Embed]
+> Collaborations
+3D Visualizer &amp; Music - https://youtu.be/7VA8-KaJTKU [Embed]
+Live Sampler Percussion - https://youtu.be/nm5e_qQjVf0 [Embed]
+Live Glitch Electronics (Not pictured) - https://youtu.be/YL9cmCNnTYU [Embed]
+> Self Released Noise Experiments
+https://cretindilettante.bandcamp.com/album/little-drummer-boy
+https://cretindilettante.bandcamp.com/album/little-rock-star
+https://cretindilettante.bandcamp.com/album/obscured-photographs
+https://cretindilettante.bandcamp.com/album/bled-gums
+> Download Codes
+> Avida Dollars Via Basic Unit Productions
+hnax-cmz6
+jd9j-xtyk
+9hyr-eb79
+zcua-3wqz
+zpwg-hxgg
+y9hz-epru
+yycn-urwq
+2kjx-jllt
+azgh-ka5b
+8yts-g72w
+vx48-kks8
+6qp3-gkh2
+krfl-79qc
+nvd4-v96w
+--- 115913155
+>>115904346
+Sounds nice
+>>115904955
+Great
+>>115906248
+Sounds nice but the cover bugs me out. Maybe a little introduction to the song? Maybe just two tones but at least sth before you start rapping.
+>>115909379
+Sounds alright, not my type of thing
+>>115912258
+Very nice
+>>115912339
+Nice, I didn't expect to see a piano track in here.
+>Phonk inspired rap track with distortion
+https://soundcloud.com/user-725229423/superreptilian-i-don-luv-em
+Also, check out my friends song. It's much better than mine.
+https://soundcloud.com/user-118364519/drkness
+Tysm. Tybg.
+--- 115913186
+https://open.spotify.com/track/42u4lHuT0HVf0yy3oFeji4?si=ff8ded00f6a3456d
+>breakcore
+>techno
+>psychedelic
+a song in spanish and french influenced by songs i listened to during my time in barcelona
+recs:
+>>115912647
+>>115908113
+--- 115913235
+https://open.spotify.com/artist/2Rv67PQ8T79uXMeNHwBnta
+>psychedelic rock
+>indie
+>bri'ish
+new ep coming soon, feedback is widely appreciated.
+highly recommend these:
+>>115912732
+>>115904955
+also check em
+--- 115913255
+>>115903193
+>>115903224
+>>115904955
+watershipdown
+>nu-metalcore
+>deathcore
+>shoegaze
+This is a teaser for our first single, HALFLI(F)E, dropping this Wednesday. We would be eternally grateful for a like/follow if you so choose.
+https://fb.watch/jXcW4BYGX-/?mibextid=RUbZ1f
+https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrFTrHsuCYO/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
+--- 115913323
+>>115903183 (OP)
+https://soundcloud.com/huffingpaint69/mareux-night-visionwhite-rabbit-upbeat-techno-edit-1?si=57583a39415e45419f88f18ea36a9a9b&amp;utm_source=clipboard&amp;utm_medium=text&amp;utm_campaign=social_sharing
+--- 115913379
+>>115913155
+even if you don't listen to my track listen to my friend's track
+--- 115914023
+https://soundcloud.com/user-896104030
+I used to tear myself apart with ambition to become a name, to play out, all of that, then I met a girl and my creativity was drained by her. 6 years later and I'm finally out of that relationship, and I'm working hard to redevelop my sound and style, I'm really eager to actually start building myself up as an artist and to take myself seriously, I don't care if I don't go anywhere, or if nobody really hears any of my music or cares about it... But fuck it feels really good to actually see this path ahead of me again.
+I'm in the process of obtaining my ISRC and creating a Bandcamp account. Is there any advice anyone here can give me on getting my music moving though people? I know this isn't /prod, but any snippets of advice would be very appreciated, in the box or out. I produce 140 bass, techno, jungle, IDM, breakcore. I live in a very Rock/ Indie/ Metal focused small city in the UK. I'm already kind of a face in the local musician scene, but there really is no tangible scene here for dance music, so i'm kind of alone.
+anyway, inb4 2000 word essay. if nobody reads it thats cool. I'm gonna make an effort to hang out in these threads more and get involved so, hey guys, nice to meet u, is there a discord or anything? thanks guys
+--- 115914050
+>>115914023
+bristol/exeter?
+--- 115914058
+>eddy low light house and tree song
+https://on.soundcloud.com/9X33w
+--- 115914116
+>>115914050
+close to bristol, rather not name names
+--- 115914136
+>>115914116
+if its plymouth lets play together
+--- 115914156
+>>115914136
+wrong way, i got family in plymouth though
+even so, how do i know your not gonna axe murder me?
+--- 115914173
+>>115914156
+lame
+you don't i guess, but how else am i supposed to make friends
+--- 115914217
+Slvtdeath.bandcamp.com
+>beats, electronic, indie
+>lots and lots of music
+>latest work
+https://slvtdeath.bandcamp.com/album/dizzy-dayz
+https://slvtdeath.bandcamp.com/album/chillish
+My recs:
+>>115903224
+>>115908522
+--- 115914221
+>>115914173
+are you on soundcloud? message me
+tbf at this point being axe murdered would be an acceptable fate
+--- 115914236
+>>115914221
+nah my shits just on spotify, i do band stuff not prod.
+ill axe murder you if you axe murder me &lt;3
+--- 115914266
+>>115914221
+>>115914236
+Just kiss already, boys. No shame.
+--- 115914323
+>>115914236
+das hot
+gimme a link
+--- 115914338
+>>115914323
+ur hot
+https://open.spotify.com/artist/2Rv67PQ8T79uXMeNHwBnta
+if you h8 it dont blame me, i only play the bass
+--- 115914556
+why are the pink threads always the weird ones?
+--- 115914607
+>>115914323
+just checked out your tracks, very cool! love the bass in the second track, very industrial and techno. would rave sleepily to/10. love the first track too, i prefer that its shorter and the rocky sample is really neat. get yourself out there anon, you'll go far :D
+--- 115914609
+https://scrugley.bandcamp.com/album/scars-as-souvenirs
+>piano w/drums
+>folky electronics
+>female/male vocal duo
+https://scrugley.bandcamp.com/album/saudade
+>chamber music
+>piano w/strings
+https://scrugley.bandcamp.com/album/uncontrolled-dreams-of-exploding-skies
+>one man band
+>melancholic post black metal
+>>115908649
+really cool shit, gz
+>>115914217
+generic project name but good stuff otherwise
+--- 115915105
+>>115903183 (OP)
+https://youtu.be/d7LHx9k5ybU [Embed]
+>IndieRock
+--- 115915136
+recs
+>>115903516 couple tracks in, sounds crazy af in a good way
+>>115904346 gonna listen to the rest later but first track rocks
+https://tung4.bandcamp.com/album/tung-ep
+First real attempt at electronic stuff, gonna take this off of bandcamp and re work it a lot, but do I have a decent start here?
+>electronic
+--- 115915334
+just put out our first full length album
+youtube: https://youtu.be/OCWAyomTb_U [Embed]
+bandcamp: prisonoffleshh.bandcamp.com
+Feedback is much appreciated, 9 songs of blackened death metal
+--- 115915950
+>>115914607
+thank you. went through yours too, nice sound m8, nice and open. how long u three been doing stuff together?
+--- 115916189
+>>115915950
+cheers boss :) only about 4 months, we've got another ep coming out next month and hopefully we'll start gigging soon. It's the first time i've ever recorded anything at all but its a decent starting point I think. We gel pretty well as musicians too
+--- 115916244
+>>115903183 (OP)
+https://soundcloud.com/3o3ad/a4-perfection
+--- 115916426
+https://soundcloud.com/carbonark/20goto10
+>Synthpop
+>Cinematic
+>Rock
+Y'all believed in me, so you should hear the final product
+--- 115916632
+>>115903183 (OP)
+IM BACK BITCHES
+https://youtu.be/ns4qx9SGZLE [Embed]
+--- 115917002
+Alt rock/post hardcore/synth
+https://youtu.be/iNJ5vz583mU [Embed] https://open.spotify.com/track/4G81gG1YWAM90RSZsUuLnG?si=zij7V_HvSwOXnlrDj2-p8Q&amp;utm_source=copy-link https://liontrail.bandcamp.com/track/stuck-in-the-middle-of-something
+--- 115917102
+>>115904817
+we're from new jersey, but that's close enough to england.

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+-----
+--- 115903311
+Music must go hand in hand with a community or a scene. Why music if no one will listen to it, ir if rthere is no practical way to perform it live. It's pointless. Your time is better spent doing anything else. What do you hope to accomplish through your music??
+--- 115903320
+>1+1 is 3
+>no it isn't
+>SEE?!?! ALL WE DO IS FIGHT!!!!
+--- 115903367
+>pol zoomer knows nothing about board subject
+>has to force generalized arguments
+90% of threads these days
+--- 115903425
+scenes are a dead concept because computers. it's better than "super mario". i ho-ho-hope to accomplish having fun playing the instrument, which to my credit sometimes happens
+--- 115903875
+When you see threads of this quality regularly, you know /mu/ is an unfixable disaster
+--- 115904007
+post your penis OP I bet it's small
+--- 115904024
+>>115903311 (OP)
+Jump off a bridge you little racist virgin fuck
+--- 115905103
+>>115903311 (OP)
+The Captain on The Regal as it flooded (This is so sad,can we get 1967 Likes by morningtime Lispbros?)
+--- 115905157
+>>115903311 (OP)
+whys everyone mad at this post
+--- 115908362
+Just got back from easter mass. Ya so my point was i feel like i waste a lot of time making music on my daw or thiking of song conceps but its really just a waste of time if there is no practical means of performing it, or if there is no plan to connect w likeminded individuals irl. Bc no one is listenong to random crap on soundcloud and bandcamp, it's just pussing inyo a void. On the other hand, collabing irl often involves some degree of conformity and compromising your vision to gain approval, consciously or otherwise. Like, the reward of attention determines what you pursuit. Basically, this whole idea of indie bedroom pop is a unhealthy social contagion like transgenderism
+--- 115908654
+>>115905157
+It's just not true in a contemporary context due to both the widespread acceptance of The Internet and to Televison.
+--- 115908688
+I opened this thread to save this reaction image haha. Sorry about no permission. The fellas on discord have to see this
+--- 115908840
+>>115908654
+Scenes are still a thing though. Its just a group of bands or artists that regularly put on shows together at established or diy venues. Internet is good, but a lot of tims people judt get distracted with settin up online front that has no connection to reality. Now with ai, the live social/ommunity aspect is more essential bc ai will be able to replicate all the technial aspets of music and even prop fake online communities of bots. The superfiial will be stripped away and music will become more about expressing things to eachother as non-npcs beings in meatspace
+--- 115908900
+I really like playing my guitar and singing and writing songs but I would hate being famous or touring. It's just for me. The only people I have ever played for is my spouse and my mama
+--- 115909121
+>>115908840
+They're still a thing but they're not as powerful or as important as they once were.
+--- 115912094
+>>115903311 (OP)
+never thought i'd agree with a chudposter, but here we are
+--- 115913606
+>>115903311 (OP)
+I unironically believe this. There is a magic going to basement shows and being friends with the bands, seeing them pour their hearts out and seeing the color of their souls. The commodification of music has deterritorialized it, taken it from its creators and community as an extension of their human expression and rendered it into a product, a performance of emotion detached from its origins within the creator. Its similar to digital compression, almost a sort of conceptual compression. With digital compression there is digital information lost and cut away to save space, most affecting the highest and lowest frequencies on the periphery, creating a less detailed version. With this conceptual compression, you are losing the experience of interacting with the creator themselves, losing all of their quirks and thoughts and expressions and personality, the way that they talk and think outside of the music, the way they present and carry themselves, all of which can help inform the emotions and songwriting of the music themselves. By losing interaction with the creator the music becomes detached from all of the subtle intricacies you can experience and help better inform and enjoy the music itself
+--- 115913615
+>>115908362
+aren't you a week late
+--- 115913625
+>>115913615
+i think in russia/slav countries its easter this weekend. so OP is likely a low grade russian bot/troll spamming propaganda nonsense
+--- 115913651
+>>115908840
+I hope so anon, there would have to be an intentional push for something like this though and I'm skeptical that it would take hold, or if it did then avoiding the likelihood of being co-opted and fed back into machine for profit
+--- 115913698
+>>115908362
+idk if I agree with the whole transgenderism thing but I do agree with the pissing into the void shit. I wonder if after a certain point there is a tradeoff behind listening to/making music for a community and people you know and can be friends with, vs trying to only find "good" music completely alone even if it may technically be better made or more enjoyable. The fact is is that there is too much "good" music out there to listen to in a lifetime, but it is much harder to find friends and be a part of a worthwhile community.
+--- 115915593
+chud
+--- 115915638
+>>115913625
+Im greek, muttoid
+--- 115915672
+>>115915638
+Happy Easter bro, Christos anesti
+--- 115915695
+>>115904024
+What's wrong with being a virgin? Not all virgins are chuds
+--- 115916057
+>>115913606
+God damn anon, you're retarded.
+--- 115916698
+>>115903311 (OP)
+>ir if rthere
+--- 115916716
+>>115903311 (OP)
+i didnt get a word of what you wrote lol
+--- 115918036
+Hmhmm

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+-----
+--- 115904574
+>>115904488 (OP)
+JFC that shit-eating grin literally NEVER leaves her face!
+--- 115904608
+i want phoebe bridgers to piss directly into my mouth
+--- 115904634
+>>115904488 (OP)
+--- 115904828
+>>115904488 (OP)
+The National is just Timber Timbre for normies
+--- 115904855
+>>115904634
+>they
+i hope everybody involved in this dies
+--- 115905489
+>>115904488 (OP)
+finally!
+the world's most generic "indie" band and the girl everyone pretends to like... together at last!
+--- 115905516
+>>115904828
+The National is just Tindersticks for normies.
+--- 115905538
+>>115904634
+since when did matt berninger become phoebe bridgers sex slave
+--- 115905540
+Well, I don't like The National anymore...
+--- 115905742
+>>115905540
+>anymore
+you're like 10 years late but ok
+--- 115905785
+>>115904488 (OP)
+she's been doing the aging white indie male circuit
+--- 115905813
+>>115905785
+stop saying bad things about her
+get a life
+--- 115905815
+>>115905785
+mark's always had questionable taste in women
+--- 115905840
+>>115905785
+whole 2000s indie scene running a train on her recently huh
+--- 115905852
+>>115905813
+how is that bad? it's true. truth hurts motherfucker
+--- 115905927
+>>115905785
+>the things I gotta do for pussy these days
+--- 115905989
+>>115904855
+"They" as in The National is a band of multiple people, you fucking retard
+--- 115908206
+She kinda looks like stephen king
+--- 115908231
+>>115905538
+and how do I replace him
+--- 115908283
+>>115905989
+suuuuure faggot
+--- 115910010
+>>115904488 (OP)
+Brie Larson
+--- 115911306
+>>115904634
+fucking narcissistic piece of shit
+--- 115911395
+>>115904488 (OP)
+Worst indie band ever, I've always hated them so much because they're the caricature of the sterile no fun allowed indie band mealfags mock so much, but these last have been simply pathetic, if no rock band ever has cited you as an influence but you have Phoebe Bridgers saying how h*ckin mportant you are and you find yourself ghostwriting Taylor Swift maybe you're just a cat lady / wine aunt band
+--- 115911409
+>>115904488 (OP)
+You can’t take the hoe out of phoebe.
+--- 115911588
+>>115904488 (OP)
+I bet she had unprotected anal sex with him when he was still a stranger.
+--- 115911799
+>>115908206
+Yeah but Stephen King at least has talent
+--- 115911820
+I still have no idea who these people are and would never have heard of them if not for this board
+--- 115912024
+>>115904574
+--- 115914312
+>>115912024
+--- 115915599
+The National fucking suck but a lot of you in this thread clearly missed their 2019 single "Walking on a String" which I believe was featured prior to it's release on the Between Two Ferns Movie a movie saved only by the fact that I want to anally decimate Lauren Lapkus.
+Pheobe and this dude have been "collaborating" for a while now.
+--- 115918197
+>>115911588
+Is that really betting tho?
+--- 115918228
+>>115912024
+I like it
+--- 115918892
+>>115911395
+The National and The Walkmen, as far as I can tell (have only heard a song or two each and can't remember them at all) suck donkey balls but people act like they are good or god forbid classic 00s indie
+--- 115918922
+>>115904488 (OP)
+shes the future of music incels
+--- 115918934
+that pussy has fucked every indie chad in LA

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+--- 115904916
+How come the UK gets the fun indie bands like Black Midi while we're stuck with acts like this?
+--- 115904966
+>>115904916 (OP)
+Black Midi is fucking bollucks m8
+--- 115905000
+>>115904916 (OP)
+Both suck desu
+--- 115905286
+>>115904916 (OP)
+bro boygenius topped on their charts UK is compramised am afraid
+--- 115905495
+>>115904916 (OP)
+Used to just hate Phoebe but frankly Lucy and even Julien are fully compromised now.
+--- 115905778
+>>115904916 (OP)
+Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.
+No one under 30 should be allowed to make art.
+--- 115905839
+>>115905778
+>No one under 30 should be allowed to make art.
+but by then you're already too old to make good art
+--- 115905864
+>>115904916 (OP)
+Phoebe is truly insufferable. She’s like the living embodiment of a privileged society that commoditizes cultural rebellion as a shitty badge for identity while ironically being a corporate stooge
+--- 115905869
+>>115904916 (OP)
+There hasn't been a good new band from anywhere period in a solid decade
+--- 115906569
+>>115904916 (OP)
+>>115905131
+>muh indie cred
+kek. Insufferable, lying, industry plant whores. Luckily, business endeavor is dead on arrival. There will probably be another month or two of intense shilling, then they will disappear.
+--- 115910393
+>>115905869
+yeah i feel like besides the korean stuff bands are not a thing anymore. the teens that were excited abt 1d or fifth harmony in 2010s are now adults and now young ppl are listening to spedup tiktok versions of 80s tracks or solists.
+--- 115912637
+>>115905869
+have all the good songs been written?
+--- 115912751
+Why don't they get shit on for being white like every other indie band? Do ugly/mid/obese women get a free racism pass?
+--- 115912970
+>>115904916 (OP)
+bristle is used when something is good. she needs to resit her english lit degree
+--- 115913027
+>>115912970
+Yep. She probably wanted to say brittle.
+--- 115913054
+>>115904916 (OP)
+>that quote
+they're failing miserably
+--- 115913057
+>>115912970
+>>115913027
+>bristle verb (REACT ANGRILY)
+>to react angrily:
+>She bristled at the suggestion that she had in any way neglected the child.
+https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/bristle
+--- 115913156
+>>115912970
+average /mu/ poster right here lads, literally fucking retarded how do you manage to breathe
+--- 115913460
+>>115905131
+the album being sold at target =/= not wanting to be a neo liberal avatar of contemporary feminism for commercial brands to paste on tshirts
+you can find pretty much any successful indie acts music at target
+--- 115913573
+>>115913460
+>TARGET SUCKS
+>BUY MY ALBUM AT TARGET
+Of course it is, let's not be disingenuous. If these cunts despised Target so much, they would avoid selling their shit there. They have that choice. Instead, they choose to be colossal cunts for the sake of some fake indie cred. Shitting on Target is biting the hand that feeds you, and they are incredibly contrived for that.
+--- 115913595
+>>115913460
+You can abstain from being a neolib wet dream by not being a vapid libtard yourself and making shit that sounds like Hillsong United for girls who have pronouns in their bios. That's everything Bridgers is.
+--- 115913627
+>>115912970
+>>115913027
+Where do you retards come from.. and really, I BRITTLE? You have internet access, use it
+>>115913460
+Including Black Midi
+>>115912751
+Yes, it's unironically what you get when almost your entire demographic are vocal supporters of minorities, gays, trans etc. Women (outwardly) conform because there's strength in numbers, community > commodity, when commodity is at a surplus, like it is now.. which is the fault of the many men that wanted to own more and more and more and more and are now dealing with the repercussions of that behavior being left mostly unchecked for the last 150+ years. Easy to band together and shove men out when we don't need their labor(not here at home, anyway)
+--- 115913640
+>>115913595
+Yikes where's the diversity here? The white cis heteronormativity expressed in this photo is blinding. Let's unpack this.
+--- 115914021
+>>115904916 (OP)
+That's not what 'neo-lib' means
+--- 115914043
+>>115904916 (OP)
+>neo lib wet dream of a girl
+lol word salad. you could argue their aesthetic and attitude fits under that. they perfectly fit the profile of a generic millennial liberal white woman. corporations love that because theyre one of the easiest demographics to market to
+--- 115914129
+>>115905864
+While I agree, she strikes me as the only one who from this awful lot who's consciously going out of her way to be even more awful. But of course
+>HAHA you have fallen for the clever ruse in which I but merely PRETENDING to be an asshole
+Yeah, no. In the trash she goes.
+--- 115914147
+>every media outlet calling Boygenius a "supergroup"
+>even though Bridgers is the only one who's even remotely well known
+--- 115914187
+>>115914147
+julien baker had some pitchfork buzz a few years ago. her solo stuff was posted here sometimes. the 3rd one is a nobody
+--- 115914450
+>>115914187
+why do people just make shit up so much? julien has 400k monthly listens and Lucy has 1.5mil monthly listens on Spotify, and it's been longer since Lucy released an album. more listeners on last.fm as well
+--- 115914573
+>>115905839
+Wrong
+--- 115916195
+>>115904916 (OP)
+big thief is probably one of the best bands in the world right now.
+also chat pile, snail mail, model/actriz...
+all regions have fun indie bands or bad indie bands or fun big bands or terrible big bands
+--- 115916212
+>>115904916 (OP)
+Black Midi is cringe tier redditor music,my dudes.
+>>115905864
+Kind of like Nirvana then.
+--- 115916246
+black midi is boring and contrived af
+>omg so loud so fast so intricate! The dynamics! So technical! This sounds so DEEP
+*yawn*
+--- 115916314
+>>115916212
+>nirvana
+> living embodiment of a privileged society that commoditizes cultural rebellion
+Those guys were poor as fuck when they started. Cobain was cleaning carpets to make a living. Only Grohl came from a more middle class family, but he came later.
+--- 115916377
+>>115904966
+>>115916212
+>>115916246
+Black Midi are fucking lame but Phoebe is so horrible that when paired together Black Midi seems like a high quality act in comparison.
+--- 115917254
+>>115913460
+Can you find a Target EXCLUSIVE vinyl variant there?

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+-----
+--- 115905586
+Rock your dad listens to that you yourself also like.
+--- 115905653
+>>115905586 (OP)
+Stevie Ray Vaughan, Freddie King and Albert King are the only artists my dad listens to that I also actively enjoy listening to.
+--- 115905880
+Go to archive and search by "dad rock," then notice how well these threads usually fare.
+Nobody likes shitty snarky insider terms.
+If you want a discussion, why not just name an era?
+--- 115906329
+>>115905586 (OP)
+Violent Femmes-Hallowed Ground
+Echo and the Bunnymen-Ocean Rain
+--- 115906386
+>>115905880
+This,also don't tell me that CAN,Lynyrd Skynyrd,and Bryan Adams were all really acshually exactly the same musically because they used muh guitars and existed between The 1960s and The 1980s. Obviously at least some variation there.
+--- 115906411
+>>115905586 (OP)
+Fuck yeah.
+Peter Gabriel is incredible, but barely dad rock these days. Shit, Weezer is dad rock now. I was born in 89 and my own parents loved Genesis.
+--- 115906480
+The Cars
+>>115906329
+>Hallowed Ground
+dangerously based
+https://youtu.be/Q94GylwS--w [Embed]
+--- 115906625
+>>115905586 (OP)
+--- 115906692
+>>115906625
+--- 115909787
+>>115905586 (OP)
+machine girl
+100 gecs
+the garden
+destroy lonely
+ice spice
+--- 115910040
+>>115905880
+dadrock is a thing and you can cope with this however you need
+--- 115912261
+>>115905586 (OP)
+Steely Dan. Unironically find them better than TVU, Talking Heads and MBV. Not as original, but still "better".
+--- 115912270
+>>115910040
+It's a faggy Twitter term that will die out within a couple years. Like "elevated horror".
+--- 115912271
+My dad hates Genesis :(
+--- 115912282
+>>115905586 (OP)
+Nirvana
+--- 115912295
+Peter Gabriel is 100% mom rock.
+--- 115912305
+Bad Brains
+--- 115912376
+>>115905653
+>>115912261
+SRV and Steely Dan for sure
+Also Pink Floyd and Rush
+--- 115912627
+>>115905586 (OP)
+Billy Joel
+--- 115913505
+>>115906386
+Can is not dad rock, it was far too underground.
+Popular prog bands certainly are, even Frank Zappa, at least Bobby Brown.
+Dad rock is something that is played at BBQ party when uncle plays guitar with Grill spatula and everyone knows the words.
+--- 115913701
+>>115905586 (OP)
+Genuinely love this album bros
+--- 115913793
+>>115905586 (OP)
+Mountain- Mississippi Queen
+https://youtu.be/VbP4qf8PjfI [Embed]
+Tears for Fears- Everybody wants to Rule the World
+https://youtu.be/SFU1GeGFpzY [Embed]
+Living Colour- Cult of Personality
+https://youtu.be/7xxgRUyzgs0 [Embed]
+Idk what y’all water heads are goin off at the mouth about, Dad Rock is definitely real.
+--- 115913805
+>>115912270
+Lol that term predates twitter. Same with cockrock and buttrock, those were used as early as the 80s.
+--- 115913927
+>>115913701
+His best. Mogs B2R. Nebraska is a close second
+--- 115913936
+none bc i hate my dad
+im trans btw dunno if it matters
+--- 115913990
+>>115905586 (OP)
+>>115913793
+>Tears for Fears- Everybody wants to Rule the World
+you obviously have no clue what dad rock is.
+--- 115914006
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyLXgAJIFBE [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTKR0xcB-o4 [Embed]
+--- 115914017
+>>115913990
+I mean I get it, I wouldnt call Tears for Fears dadrock since they were more a new wave/synthpop group and aligned to the "alternative" sort of thing, but that song does get played a LOT on classic radio and was a huge mainstream hit in the 80s.
+But yeah when I think dadrock I think more like a stereotypical 70s-80s heavy macho rock sound, like AOR, blues rock, arena rock etc, ZZ Top and what not. New wave is separate from that, its more sensitive and artsy and introspective.
+--- 115914048
+My Dad only listens to classical, country from before 1980 or so, and mariachi. He particularly hated Adelle and Smells Like Teen Spirit.
+--- 115914091
+>>115914017
+my dad listens to new wave but also listens to classic rock
+but i agree i see them as kind of separate, even though itd fit if dadrock meant any old music or music your dad listens to.
+ "dadrock" is like zeppelin, queen, pink floyd, GNR, acdc, aerosmith, bob seger, kiss, eagles, steve miller band type stuff. not necessarily bad, but describes a different type of vibe.
+even though stuff like say depeche mode or tears for fears or new order are 40+ years old at this point and your parents probably listen to them, its hard to call that stuff dadrock, doesnt really fit with it and you never hear those on the dadrock station
+--- 115915215
+>>115905586 (OP)
+My dad listens to steely Dan and fountains of Wayne, he's pretty based
+--- 115917268
+>>115905586 (OP)
+pavement, nmh, swans anco
+--- 115917289
+>>115914091
+Kiss Aerosmith and Eagles fucking suck
+--- 115917305
+judas priest
+--- 115917494
+>>115914091
+i m18 my dad is 46, he listens to rhcp, 311 ,flaming lips, spin doctors
+--- 115917514
+>>115917494
+Does he ever give you weed?
+--- 115917604
+>>115917514
+no i dont smoke that shit. my point is that "dadrock" is changing. its not just 70s or even 80s music anymore, now dude's in their 30s and 40s grew up in 90s-00s so thats the new dadrock
+--- 115919216
+Ignoring the confines of "dad rock" here is some rock my dad listens to and I also like: Steely Dan, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, The Who, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Metallica.

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+--- 115905833
+>Mogs the fuck out of 72 Seasons
+--- 115905946
+>>115905833 (OP)
+megadeth is gay and so is thrash. why is this band even discussed? even as a metal fan you have to admit the last relevant thing from this group was over 3 decades ago. kinda lame
+--- 115907479
+It's better than 72 seasons, but thats not saying much....I've forgotten every song except for "Celebutante"....most of it is garbage, and I'm a big Megadeth fan. Dystopia was a fucking awesome album though
+--- 115907516
+>Farts the shit out of boogers and barf
+--- 115911094
+>>115905833 (OP)
+haven't heard either of them and i know you're wrong. megadeth blows.
+--- 115911102
+I love how conspiratorial megadeth songwriting is and how Mustaine appeared on Alex Jones. Megadeth is essential conspiracy chic.
+--- 115912793
+>>115905833 (OP)
+I don't think it was a brilliant album by any means, but at least Dave still knows how to put together a decent riff and isn't afraid to experiment slightly, even if it doesn't always work.
+72 Seasons is largely more of the same aimless chugging Metallica have done for well over a decade now. Once you've heard the first 1-2 minutes of a song, you pretty much know exactly where its going for the rest of the 7+ torturous minutes of its runtime. The lyrics may as well have been spat out by ChatGPT.
+--- 115912948
+>>115907479
+>I've forgotten every song except for "Celebutante"
+no you haven't
+you obviously remember the main riffs for night stalkers, we'll be back and life in hell
+you also obviously remember HELLO LADIES! HELLO MOONMAN!
+and you also probably remember dogs of chernobyl and soldier on (even though soldier on sucks)
+--- 115913393
+Does Mustaine still do that annoying spoken word shit?
+--- 115913500
+>>115905833 (OP)
+But is it more entertaining? Not really. No one gives a shit about Megacringe
+--- 115914365
+>>115905833 (OP)
+both metallica and megadeth dropped their worst albums with these
+--- 115914391
+>>115905833 (OP)
+>mogs
+you're not allowed to listen to metal anymore
+--- 115914428
+>>115914365
+based St. Anger appreciator
+--- 115914979
+>>115914365
+The World Needs a Hero is easily the worst megadeth album
+--- 115915040
+>>115905833 (OP)
+kirk probably couldn't even play the solos kek
+--- 115915088
+>>115915040
+Dave's solos on this album are really simple, he could play those. But forget about playing anything by Kiko lol
+the solo in Sacrifice would probably filter him for weeks
+--- 115915775
+>>115914979
+idk all of it but dread and the fugitive mind is on that album which is a good song and the new megadeth album has 0 good songs so no
+--- 115916075
+I like them both. Glad that both albums exist.
+--- 115916187
+>>115905833 (OP)
+72 Seasonings edges The Srick The Drying And The Dread purely on the basis that Het actually sings and doesn't narrate like Mustardstaine
+--- 115918117
+>>115915775
+>the new megadeth album has 0 good songs
+you haven't even heard it

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+--- 115906505
+discuss
+--- 115906537
+>>115906505 (OP)
+epic.
+--- 115906568
+too many white people.
+--- 115906601
+same thing at every rap show I've been too. Even 21 Savage was all white people
+--- 115906606
+The top one is probably the most funniest
+The longer you look at it, the more funnier it gets
+--- 115907474
+Chuck Berry of the 20s
+--- 115907508
+>>115907474
+chuck berry didn't make music about hating white people, dumbass
+--- 115907542
+why are chuds so obsessed with race?
+--- 115908199
+>>115906606
+he just looks like the subject of a minstrel show in the funniest possible way
+--- 115909196
+>>115906505 (OP)
+What is the inverse of this? A white artist surrounded by non whites?
+--- 115909391
+>>115907542
+blacks are chuds?
+--- 115909411
+>>115909196
+Porn
+--- 115909475
+>>115909411
+And unlike porn, JPEGMAFIA's fanbase is based in reality.
+--- 115909948
+>>115906505 (OP)
+Speaks volumes…
+--- 115909986
+>>115909196
+Goth/post punk
+--- 115910352
+>>115906505 (OP)
+you can tell he's seething.
+--- 115910807
+>>115909196
+closest thing I can think of is Eminem, who is loved by all races
+--- 115911052
+Why do white Americans look like that? I can tell they’re Americans and probably annoying just by looking their faces and facial expressions. They look distinctly different from Brit’s or Aussies for example.
+--- 115911065
+>>115911052
+That image is meant to be a caricature and intentionally exaggerate everyones expressions
+--- 115911255
+>>115909196
+Soccer
+--- 115911442
+>>115911052
+Lmao they really seem to be genetically engineered to be as annoying looking and sounding as humanly possible, its unreal. I swear, every time I hear someone talking with an american accent it sounds so fake, like they just jumped out of a reality show or a youtube video or something. I just want them to shut the fuck up, the way they speak is like nails on a chalkboard.
+--- 115912180
+>>115909196
+Metal band surrounded by blacks
+--- 115912194
+>>115906606
+>>115908199
+--- 115912206
+>>115911442
+>posts image of a canadian
+--- 115912209
+>>115906505 (OP)
+Ahhh I'm gonna coom
+--- 115912243
+>>115912194
+based
+--- 115912248
+>>115911442
+I know a solid dude from St. Louis. He's a lib, but he's not a faggot. Got the right amount of cowboy machismo, ignorance and intrepidness to be endearingly American. Coastie zoomers and vapid white liberal women really seem to be unbearable.
+--- 115912416
+>>115911052
+its fucking incredible how much non-american english speakers think about Americans.
+its the inverse of mutts law
+--- 115912655
+>>115906505 (OP)
+I wanna do sex with those girls
+--- 115912667
+>>115911065
+its literally an undoctored photo, anon.
+--- 115912677
+>>115912194
+Exact same energy
+--- 115913877
+>>115909196
+SCREAM FOR ME BRAZIL
+--- 115913893
+>>115909196
+Phil Collins
+--- 115913894
+>>115906505 (OP)
+Has the same energy as this
+--- 115914060
+Why do ameriturds expect crowds to be racially segregated
+The image in the OP more or less reflects American demographics.
+--- 115914119
+>>115914060
+its moreso because jpegmafia raps all the time about black power and tries to front as gangsta but all his fans are white backpackers and fantano fans
+--- 115914330
+>>115913877
+Kek
+--- 115914343
+>>115906568
+jews aren't white unless they're being criticized
+--- 115914354
+>>115906505 (OP)
+this dude so corny
+--- 115914361
+>>115911052
+jews aren't americans unless they're being criticized
+--- 115914372
+>WHITE BOY, ANTICHRIST
+>SEE MY SKIN WHILE I FUCK YOUR WIFE
+unironic lyric of his
+--- 115914387
+>>115906505 (OP)
+>GetsPEGGEDMAFIA
+I could punch this retard's lights out.
+--- 115914388
+>>115914372
+sounds like some shit the jefre cantu-ledesma spammer would write
+--- 115914414
+>>115906505 (OP)
+What's there to say.
+It's just that great thing called American Cvltvre that your mutts call the greatest thing around and say Europe is so shit because it has no such greatness as ghetto nigs rappin in da mic
+--- 115914439
+>>115909196
+--- 115914493
+the seasoning police can't afford tickets to concerts.
+--- 115914526
+>>115914439
+Those must be her groupies patiently waiting for an autograph. It's always incredible when an artist's work transcends racial boundaries.
+--- 115914568
+>>115906505 (OP)
+Niggers don’t go to concerts they go to clubs
+The weird exception is metal shows there’s a decent amount of them there
+--- 115915072
+>>115911052
+>>115911442
+HOLY FUCKING ODIN (who's not real anyway) PEOPLE HAVING FUN I'M GOING INSANE
+--- 115916278
+>>115909986
+this, post-punk in latin america is huge
+--- 115916299
+My black friend told me black people straight up don't go to shows, is that true
+--- 115916358
+/mu/ still triggered
+--- 115917308
+>>115907508
+>Roll over Beethoven
+>Everybody, repeat after me
+>Roll over Beethoven
+>Roll over Beethoven
+>Roll over Beethoven
+>Roll over Beethoven
+>Roll over Beethoven
+>Tell Tchaikovsky the news
+You think the news was “thank you, masta”?
+--- 115917380
+>>115908199
+>he just looks like the subject of a minstrel show
+do you guys even know what minstrel shows were? there were no black people in minstrel shows.
+--- 115917397
+>>115912677
+>energy
+noun; a word zoomers use when they have a feeling they can't actually articulate in words because they have a 20 word vocabulary and no critical thinking skills
+--- 115917405
+>>115917308
+nice false dichotomy
+--- 115917562
+>>115917405
+The news was “move bitch, get out the way. It’s nigga time”
+--- 115919149
+Black ppl don't give a shit about "Jpegmafia" and his "experimental production" they're listening to Lil Baby and Chris Brown

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+--- 115906541
+how the fuck do you go from watershed to this shit
+--- 115906619
+>>115906541 (OP)
+mikael had death metal songs written for this, but scrapped it and decided to go prog.
+--- 115907085
+Only good Opeth album
+--- 115907688
+i've dabbled in a few opeth albums here and there at random and sometimes it's good and sometimes it's the worst shit known to man
+which year would you guys say is the turning point of them starting to do this monotonous soft prog psych(?) shit and nothing else
+--- 115908388
+Not that hard to figure out, even on Ghost Reveries they were warming up to a proggier direction and Watershed straight up goes for it on Burden. The writing on the wall was there for a while. That said, Heritage is still their worst album.
+>>115907688
+Listen to everything before the one in OP's post. If you want to play it extra safe, stick with everything up to Deliverance and test the waters with Damnation. Genuinely a brilliant record, but not if you have a low tolerance for softer music.
+--- 115909095
+>>115906541 (OP)
+Mikael got tired of playing the same "metal bullshit" that he'd been playing the last twenty years. Also he couldn't perform the vocals as well anymore due to aging and probably smoking. So, now we have Nupeth which isn't all bad but most of it is not stuff I'm interested in.
+--- 115909603
+>>115906541 (OP)
+Heritage is a great album and I find it a lot more pleasant and fascinating than Watershed.
+--- 115909740
+>>115908388
+watershed is great too, id say better than still life which is the weakest of their good records
+--- 115909824
+Niggaz, pale communion is one of the best prog albums. Get out of your metal shell, blackwater park aint happening again, not from opeth or any other band for that matter
+--- 115909859
+is there an Opeth song with an actual crescendo and musical payoff or is it all blue-balling masochism?
+--- 115910540
+>>115909859
+demon of the fall, heir apparent, bleak, deliverance
+--- 115910834
+>>115909859
+Demon of the Fall is their best track on their best album. April Ethereal and When are also great.
+--- 115911380
+>>115906541 (OP)
+Pale Communion is their only good prog album
+--- 115912631
+It's not bad but if you only listen to metal it will filters you
+--- 115913184
+I prefer Heritage to Watershed. Watershed is probebly my least favorite Opeth album from the pre-Heritage period of the band.
+I think changing their sound was what they needed to do since they where fizzling out of prog death for a while at that point. Mikaels death growl vocals where getting worse and worse. I don't blame him for not wanting to do it as often now (except for live performances of old music).
+I hated Heritage at first but came to love it the more I listened. It has a vary Jethro Tull vibe with the flutes and the tight druming and warm texture of the guitars.
+--- 115913270
+>>115906541 (OP)
+>All these nupeth defenders.
+They released one great soft prog album, it was called Damnation.
+--- 115913567
+I loved Ghost Reveries. Damnation was alright. Haven't listened to anything else.
+--- 115914920
+>>115909859
+Yes, their best album, Morningrise.
+--- 115915076
+>>115909740
+Still Life's arguably my favorite one of theirs.
+>>115909824
+No one with sense is asking for that anymore. Mikael's tapped the well and knows it so he moved on.
+>>115913567
+Absolutely listen to Still Life and Blackwater Park. The albums before those are great too, but more formative in terms of creative direction. Might as well get on Deliverance and Watershed too, little reason not to listen to basically all of their pre-Heritage work.
+--- 115915263
+>>115915076
+>Still Life's arguably my favorite one of theirs.
+you argue with yourself?
+--- 115915352
+>>115915263
+You don't?
+--- 115915375
+>>115906541 (OP)
+haha wouldn't it be crazy if metal bands just stopped making cringe garbage album covers haha?
+--- 115915414
+>>115915375
+that's a pretty cool album cover.
+--- 115915454
+>>115915263
+It's a toss-up between it and Ghost Reveries. Depends on my mood, I guess.
+--- 115915603
+>>115915454
+ghost reveries is easily my favourite
+--- 115916211
+>>115915076
+still life is ok its just too fairy and gay compared to the rest of their albums. solos are generally weak on the album as well but there are some great riffs
+--- 115917259
+>>115909859
+When

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+--- 115906593
+Underappreciated masterpiece
+--- 115908499
+unironically is, arguably the birth of Outsider Music.
+--- 115912603
+I find it so bizzare that it's considered "outsider music though" merely based on superficial factors of "urr he looks weird and sings in falsetto but actually really pulls it off". Fact of the matter is that he was a good musician
+--- 115913971
+>>115912603
+This, and he was serious about his passion for the songs he sang despite doing it with a weird voice and character. He genuinely saw himself as a preservationist of tin pan alley's forgotten ditties.
+--- 115913988
+Small Timothy
+--- 115914315
+>>115913971
+Also updated those old standards and gave them a psychedelic baroque feel
+--- 115914588
+>>115912603
+He was definitely an eccentric, but he knew how he came across to people and did up the character a little bit. It was his brand, people who knew him said he was a quiet, soft spoken yet genuinely eccentric guy
+--- 115914638
+>>115912603
+I think it's because he was doing something completely different than the mainstream or even the underground at that time. He was doing his own thing, making him an outsider.
+--- 115916337
+>>115914315
+Mind you, it was mostly Richard Perry's production. If TT had his way, he'd have performed those songs straight.
+--- 115917009
+My best friend had a gay crush on me in high school. He liked Tiny Tim.
+--- 115917051
+Reminder that Tiny Tim was actually a tradcath who believed women were most beautiful from 14-18
+--- 115917206
+>>115917051
+Dude got married to a 17 year old when he was 37 lmao

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+--- 115907960
+Have skits EVER improved an album?
+--- 115911510
+>>115907960 (OP)
+Songs for the Deaf
+--- 115911962
+>>115907960 (OP)
+they did in the college dropout
+--- 115912322
+>>115911962
+The skits on College Dropout are too long and frequent and annoying, you must have meant to say Late Registration
+--- 115912373
+>>115907960 (OP)
+Marshall Mathers LP
+--- 115912385
+>>115907960 (OP)
+they're funny so yeah
+--- 115912405
+>>115912385
+they're never funny
+--- 115912565
+>>115912405
+i liked the kanye skit
+--- 115912716
+>>115907960 (OP)
+BITCH
+STAY OFF THAT BLOW!
+(BREAK!)
+--- 115912786
+>>115912373
+Doggystyle too
+--- 115912804
+>HOT 103WBUZI YOURE LISTENING TO QUEEN BITCH RADIO
+--- 115912836
+https://youtu.be/Dh5IgSrAUUo [Embed]
+I COULD KISS YOO
+BABY BAAABEEEH!
+--- 115912892
+>>115907960 (OP)
+no
+see >>115912405
+--- 115912950
+>>115911510
+FPBP
+--- 115913134
+>>115912322
+You know what
+Yous a nigga
+--- 115913864
+>>115907960 (OP)
+BROKE, BROKE BROKE PHI BROKE
+WE AIN'T GOT IT
+--- 115913925
+>>115913864
+GOT NO MONEY (got no money)
+WE GOT NO CLOTHES (got no clothes)
+AINT GOT NO CARS (aint got no cars)
+CAN'T GET NO HOES
+--- 115913937
+>>115913864
+THERE IS AN IMPOSTER AMONG US
+--- 115913949
+>>115913134
+HWATINDAFUKWASDAT... KANYE?!
+--- 115913977
+>>115907960 (OP)
+>suddely every white artist starts doing that
+T-thanks Kanye...
+--- 115915871
+>every other track is a skit
+--- 115915915
+>every track is a skit
+--- 115915944
+>Yo Meth, where my Killer tape at?
+The skits on Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) are audio kino.
+--- 115915963
+>>115907960 (OP)
+>Album has a track titled [Interlude] or [Intermission]
+--- 115916131
+definitely no
+but they serve a purpose of settling a context at least in rap music, they use a lot of references that got lost in time
+--- 115916986
+>>115907960 (OP)
+HO HO HOOOO
+KNEW I'D SEEYOU AGAIN
+--- 115917609
+>>115907960 (OP)
+yes
+Good Kid, M.A.A.D City
+and\
+The Wall
+--- 115917622
+i do like it when skits continue from the previous track or segue into the next one. both is ideal.
+if not it's instant delete
+--- 115917638
+>>115917609
+they only seem to work in "story" albums desu
+--- 115918604
+>>115907960 (OP)
+De la is dead
+--- 115918627
+>>115912716
+quite peculiar that one
+--- 115918794
+>>115913949
+Beat me to it
+--- 115918805
+>>115912716
+I always thought they were screaming RAPE. Also I could do without the moaning
+--- 115918829
+>>115915944
+Seconded
+--- 115918854
+>>115907960 (OP)
+Excuse me music /pol/ but why is Kanye West dressed as Chris Chan?
+--- 115918945
+>>115915944
+came here to say this
+--- 115918997
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS3S76V3tAc [Embed]
+--- 115919089
+>>115912804
+This was wholesome
+https://youtu.be/tPjBQfnUsNk [Embed]
+--- 115919140
+>>115907960 (OP)
+How fucking young are you?
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG_xQiLMl7U [Embed]
+--- 115919222
+>>115907960 (OP)
+> enters the chat

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+--- 115908237
+Last week I had a work meeting about implementing AI tools into our workflow, and I noticed there was one that could make AI generated stock music, and it made me feel physically sick. Albeit the music sounds like shit, it will most certainly rapidly develop and soon be implemented in actual music.
+It's made me really depressed. All that history of music being a cultural force. All those people who harnessed their skill. Spent thousands building a studio and learning music theory and production, just for all of it to be fed into a corporate machine to generate slop.
+I love making music more than anything else, it brings me unparalleled joy. But there's no escaping that what I can create is no longer impressive, when there will soon be no distinction between my utmost creative expression and a machine imitating it.
+Music for me has always been a hobby more than anything, but I just feel like what's the point now? All these synths that I've collected and learned to program, and anything I could possibly hope to create will just forever be fed to the black hole that is the internet.
+Will the next musical revolution be a revolt against algorithms and AI, and once again harness the passion of people coming together in one room to share the joy of making music? and keeping only physical copies to avoid being a mere dataset?
+--- 115908252
+i think it's kinda neat to be here to witness the end
+--- 115908276
+>>115908237 (OP)
+didnt read, post the full shot of this pic so her feet arent out of frame
+--- 115908291
+>>115908252
+this is the mentality that irritates me. So many edge lords waiting to see the bitter end for the meme value. Nobody seems to want to ask themselves if they really want to live in a dystopian hellscape future where everything they do or perceive is governed by algorithms.
+--- 115908293
+>>115908276
+came in here to post this exact same thing
+--- 115908315
+>>115908291
+>Nobody
+no, just you
+--- 115908351
+>>115908315
+>go on a date with 8/10 qt, smartphone assesses situation and reports you to authorities if written consent isn't QR coded and verified.
+>everyone you associate with or could hope to meet is governed by an algorithm
+>your kid's school curriculum is once again tied to an algorithm that will pour kiked nonsense into their heads
+you sure?
+--- 115908363
+the average person doesnt listen to music beyond what they hear at the supermarket or in a bar/club. they arent sitting down listening to albums and exploring some new style of music. this is who ai music is for. people who actually like listening to and making music aren't going anywhere.
+--- 115908399
+>>115908351
+yes, only you think
+--- 115908437
+>>115908351
+no one this schizo could possibly make good music
+--- 115908551
+>>115908237 (OP)
+Good post. I'm also depressed. I might just recede from society if it comes to that.
+--- 115908619
+>>115908551
+couldn't hurt
+--- 115908771
+>>115908437
+the best musicians are schizos retard
+--- 115908796
+>>115908551
+honestly I think there will be a mass dropout of society coming soon. The state of social media and general media degeneracy is becoming too much for even the normiest of normies.
+Imagine music communes, where people just come together to make shit for fun.
+--- 115908845
+>>115908771
+cope.
+--- 115908870
+>>115908237 (OP)
+AI music will seem like a golden age compared to another Jack Antonoff aural abortion.
+--- 115908878
+>>115908870
+AI will be trained to produce Jack Abortionoffs
+--- 115908901
+We humans are a weird bunch that don't understand how the brain works and will somehow be able to pick up the stuff with actual soul among the ocean of shit that will come, not just in music
+--- 115908964
+>>115908870
+He's the only good thing in pop rn though
+>Norman rockwell
+>taylor swift's good albums
+>arizona baby
+?
+--- 115909006
+>>115908845
+literally name one prominent musician that isn't a fucking schizo
+--- 115909015
+>>115908964
+--- 115909031
+sometimes I wonder if the whole purpose of the internet from the start was to monopolise all information and media and convert it into some fucked up cyber crystal palace. Not only that but to feed the entirety of human history into it to use to destroy ourselves.
+Freud was right. Human beings really do have an intrinsic need to apply their innate genius to self-destruction. It's cyclical.
+--- 115909055
+>>115909031
+Lets hope the crystal palace 2.0 is burned with fire as well.
+--- 115909240
+https://youtu.be/yZkaakZt7NQ [Embed]
+--- 115909380
+>>115908363
+this is exactly correct. the only people freaking out about AI art in general (not just music) are generally people who aim to make money off their art, rather than for personal satisfaction and to contribute to the progression of art's history. if you go on twitter (terrible idea) and go to any thread hating on AI art (again a terrible idea) over half of the replies have "COMMISSIONS OPEN" in their name lmfao.
+the point is art is there for you to make anything you want, regardless of what tools you use. you can either sit there and whine about a new tool that lets people express themselves in ways no one ever thought was possible, or you can utilize that tool to your own advantage and stop having such a negative mindset. or don't use the tool. the old ways are still around. look how big vinyl records still are. people have been creating art using literally century-old methods since the idea of a century was a thing.
+plus, the "commodification of music" has been a thing since we could start recording it. there's a whole genre in RYM's database dedicated to a workhouse of writers that would pump out songs like they were nothing, in order to make money (brill building). lots of modern pop is straight garbage but it makes a lot of money. the introduction of AI will change none of this. maybe there will be a higher volume of garbage music being put out but who will really be listening to these songs? there's still gonna be lots and lots of good music. plus, if you don't have a negative mindset about AI, you can consider that good music will just get even better since our greatest artistic minds will have access to ideas that they never thought were possible.
+my advice: just create your art from your fkin soul however you want, and not for the dollar signs EVER. this is the only reason that people are afraid of AI. it will render some jobs useless, but IMO those artists will create for themselves now rather than the consumer. sounds like paradise to me
+--- 115909470
+>>115909380
+>look how big vinyl records still are
+Oh yeah, let me create some art the old way... I'll try using a... vinyl record...
+This horrible example is a microcosm of the bad logic throughout your post.
+--- 115909597
+>>115909470
+are you dumb ? i'm talking about old technology in general still being utilized extensively today, just like how the old ways of creating art are still utilized and will continue to still be utilized after AI becomes more implemented in art. you know exactly what i'm talking about, unless you really genuinely can't grasp the concept then i can't help you bud. any other questions?
+--- 115909665
+>>115908237 (OP)
+Are there any AI tools that can do covers?
+For example I really want to feed the discogs of an artist like Fleetwood Mac, and then ask it to generate a cover of another song that maybe has potential but is played by a shit musician or an out of tune singer..
+--- 115909773
+>>115908237 (OP)
+AI is going to replace shit like corporate stock music. Calm the fuck down. You're acting like AI can just make shit in a vacuum, it can't. It's a great tool for creativity but you still need to press buttons to make it work. I can't stand AI autism. Silicon Valley cults are no doubt pushing this shit
+--- 115910133
+>>115909773
+Within a year there will be a hit song on the radio that was created by AI and merely touched up by humans and then sung to.
+Will you be happy with that?
+--- 115910158
+>>115910133
+>Within a year there will be a hit song on the radio that was created by AI and merely touched up by humans and then sung to.
+Thats fine, its just radio pop music. Most of it is written by algorithms anyways, and of course its still going to have real producers names attached to it because telling people a machine made everything simply isn't going to sell streaming hits
+>Will you be happy with that?
+I don't care. Neither should you. Touch grass
+--- 115910167
+>>115910133
+The goldstein producer drones that work for major labels are less of a lifeform than any AI.
+--- 115910172
+>>115910158
+And in 3 years, you'll have to search for "underground" music to find something that's actually written by a person. Great! Just another tool!
+--- 115910197
+>>115908237 (OP)
+Maybe it's a cope but it feels like AI can't replace music. You can't really replicate acoustic sounds. You can't really recreate the magic of a concert with AI. And plus music fans are such snobby hipsters ( myself included) that we'll naturally object to it
+--- 115910198
+>>115910172
+no, you wont, because human made music will always have a niche, thats just dumb alarmist rhetoric.
+--- 115910278
+>>115910198
+Fewer and fewer things will be conceived in the mind of a human. Music, movies, TV. More things will follow the so-called sandwich method:
+1) Human has some basic idea
+2) AI turns it into something
+3) Human picks what he likes, possibly modifies
+If Kevin Parker comes up with a riff, hands it off to another composer or two, and they come back with a full song, would they deserve credit? Yes, they provided significant creative input. With AI, there's no one to give credit to. Human creativity will be diminished, and we're all the worse for it.
+Yes, some people will not use this tool, but our world will become so flooded with AI vomit that it will be nearly impossible to avoid it, and genuine artists will inevitably be influenced by it. Oh well. Time to start hoarding pre-2021 art. Just another tool my ass. Fuck off
+--- 115910299
+>>115910197
+>You can't really replicate acoustic sounds
+AI actually can replicate acoustic sounds. The only reason we couldn't before was because it was so infeasibly difficult to specify all the intricacies of a real, recorded sound. AI can, in principle, just produce it automatically if it's given it as training data.
+--- 115910306
+>>115910278
+There's nothing wrong with that. Humans have been inventing new tools to aid in creative persuits for thousands of years. This is nothing new. There is nothing wrong with using AI to help you write something. What ultimately matters is how it'll be recieved by the general public and the intent of the author. Nothing else matters. What you're doing is just alarmist bullshit.
+--- 115910317
+>>115910278
+you're so cringe it hurts
+--- 115910344
+>>115910299
+Ah that sucks to hear. Still, I think the scene and fan base are strong enough to support certain projects. Pop music will definetly be generated though
+--- 115910347
+>>115910306
+>Humans have been inventing new tools to aid in creative persuits for thousands of years. This is nothing new.
+What tool replaces human creative input? Don't tell me something like a drum machine or a synth. The artist still had to specify precisely what it would do. What AI is now capable of is completely unprecedented in human history.
+--- 115910386
+>>115910347
+>The artist still had to specify precisely what it would do
+thats literally the case with AI you braindead moron. You're just a melodramatic retard. I suggest you kill yourself if the "AI apocolypse" is so scary to you.
+--- 115910389
+>>115910317
+I'm describing the world. It's so depressing it hurts. I don't want it to be this way. But steam now has thousands of AI games. On /g/ there are like 10 stable diffusion threads going at once. A certain type of person, which comprises the majority of people in the world apparently—depressingly, wants to see the world become this way.
+--- 115910441
+>>115910389
+You're a terminally online retard. People on /g/ are just taking the piss. Go outside and touch grass
+--- 115910442
+>>115910386
+It's not the same at all. You're now acting in bad faith or perhaps you've never tried stable diffusion or GPT. It's a paradigm shift. You can say "give me a cloud with shadows on the edge over a sun setting in the desert". This can be drawn a thousand different ways. The act of drawing one of those thousand involves itself a thousand artistic decision small and large. Now the AI does that for you. *Nothing* like this existed before. Sorry if this is upsetting to you. It's more upsetting to me I'm sure, if that's any solcae.
+--- 115910469
+>>115910442
+Its really not that different.
+--- 115910487
+>>115910441
+So what are you saying then? You don't think AI will significantly diminish the role of human creativity, or you think it will but that we shouldn't care about it?
+--- 115910527
+>>115910487
+>>115910442
+For stable diffusion or ChatGPT to work it required input from existing sources. In the United States, works generated entirely through AI cannot be copyrighted, because they use copyrighted material as inputs to train the algorithm. The core of machine learning models is a random number generator, because its necesarry to inject randomness into the output, otherwise the AI will just spit out inputs 1:1, a problem known as "Overtraining". You're greatly overstating the impact this will have in the grand scheme of things. It'll transform many industries, but not all of them, and especially not creative ones. Because at the end of the day they're just tools, and a tool is only as good as the person using them.
+I'm done listening to your dramatic bullshit. You're probably underage anyways.
+--- 115910552
+>>115910527
+>You're probably underage anyways.
+Jokes on you. What you've been speaking to this whole time is output from ChatGPT (GPT3.5). Completely unedited. Still think it's just dramatic bullshit? Goodnight
+--- 115910570
+>>115908237 (OP)
+>and I noticed there was one that could make AI generated stock music, and it made me feel physically sick.
+have you tried not being a total bitch ass
+--- 115910585
+>>115910552
+No its not, post screenshots to prove it retard.
+--- 115910606
+>>115910585
+It was a joke, but would you be all that surprised if it wasn't?
+--- 115910611
+>>115910606
+ChatGPTs outputs are pretty generic by design. The AI is probably capable of more colorful output, but its designed to produce a completely neutral tone, so I would actually have a pretty hard time believing that
+--- 115910613
+>>115910487
+he's calling you a total pussy who needs to go outside and experience life
+>But steam now has thousands of AI games. It's so depressing it hurts.
+You need to be airdropped into Africa
+--- 115910628
+There are already hundreds of pajeets and chinks pumping out shit tier music already (and some of it is actually competant) - literally nothing will change.
+Also there are legal issues currently around licensing rights behind who actually owns AI generated art which no serious company will be willing to touch.
+--- 115911138
+>>115909380
+>it will render some jobs useless
+honestly considering how fucked the economy is already, this is unacceptable. Life is just becoming one cataclysm after the other.
+--- 115911283
+>>115910628
+>>115910527
+>AI art cannot be copyrighted because its basically theft
+Based, make these AI hacks choke
+--- 115911291
+I work as a graphic designer and I just know AI is either gonna destroy my career or be a means for me to up my productivity and make serious cash. Not knowing which is killing me.
+--- 115911310
+>>115911283
+There'll also be the tech to decipher authentic art from AI right?
+--- 115911515
+My issue with the "AI as a tool" argument is that it's already possible to have a fully autonomous system. AI can generate text which can be used as input to generate images. There's no need for a human operator. The only human input comes in the form of likes and shares on social media, which provides feedback to fine-tune the algorithm. A mass of anonymized data rather than a single person's vision.
+I don't see a future where people make a living as "AI whisperers". It might be possible now but that bubble will burst.
+--- 115912170
+>>115911138
+get a better job
+--- 115912237
+>>115908351
+Why are /pol/tards always ACTUAL schizo retards
+--- 115912290
+>>115908276
+Sir this is a sfw board
+--- 115912681
+can you literally control your drive to make music. i make music cause I just have to. I tried to stop to make more time for school and I got depressed really really fast. its kind of a detriment, like being in love
+--- 115912689
+>>115912170
+>train as a designer
+>develop copywriting skills
+>develop web design skills
+>bahahaha get a better job
+at what point are people going to push back against AI rendering all jobs obsolete? Does nobody actually care?
+--- 115912701
+>>115912689
+go be a bricklayer faggot. oh dont want to get your hands dirty and want to get paid sitting on your ass on a computer all day? tough luck bitch
+--- 115912731
+>>115912701
+they have robots at the company I work for that build fully functional air conditioners and boilers. You think you're safe as a bricklayer? It's fucking over. Everything can and will be automated as soon as the technology becomes an affordable commodity. It's either fight for workers rights or die out at this point.
+--- 115913109
+>>115908237 (OP)
+2022 is the cut-off date for music. Anything release this year is dubious and there is no reason to even follow new music from then on.
+--- 115913197
+>>115908901
+there will be an influx of lazy retards who use AI for le inspiration and le artistry, same way there is an ocean of unlistenable experimental/noise/ambient music out there. Anyone saying this will only affect pop music is delusional, this will become an industry standard tool that will be utilized at all levels. Pop music will be literally run through a computer for maximum engagement, indie bands will use it to streamline their writing processes and increase their output and efficiency, and experimental acts will plug in random keywords until they get something that sounds weird and interesting to them. There will be no escaping the influence of this shit
+--- 115913248
+>>115910172
+by then all the underground music will be made using AI as well...
+--- 115913257
+>>115913197
+k. But your doom and gloom is autistic, annoying, and unhelpful.
+--- 115913320
+>>115910347
+the difference is that you still need to know how drums work to use a drum machine. With AI it will be "siri play me some drums" and thats the amount of "human creative input" that will go into the song for every aspect of it.
+--- 115913415
+>>115913257
+so you don't disagree you just don't care. God the fucking AI shill bots are already here and they're indistinguishable from genuine retards
+--- 115913440
+>>115913197
+Does the process particularly matter if the end result is something that sounds good? And if the AI output is based on the ideas of the user then it's still in a way a form of expressing themselves
+--- 115913462
+>>115908237 (OP)
+Slop. Never. Wins.
+--- 115913512
+>>115913415
+You’ve had enough screen time for today
+--- 115913555
+ehhhh, if this was like pre 2001 i would care but mainstream music has deevolved into mumbling negroids and whispering white girls, they dont really give you any other choices. And im glad if awful people like that are put out of a job by AI. I for one welcome our ai overlords
+--- 115913565
+I feel there'll still be a demand for live music and a market for "authenticity" even in a worst case scenario where AI generated music becomes the norm
+--- 115913619
+Ai will put creatives and white collar knowledge economy people out of jobs, lawyers, computer programmers, people like that. Blue collar people will still have jobs, working class people will still have jobs. We are far off from a robot that can cut your hair or fix your restrooms pipes.
+i love this idea, because its the smug PMC fuckers who are being put out of job, thought they were too good to work with their hands. Now you'll have to get a regular assholes job
+--- 115913666
+>>115913619
+The old money white folk who were gifted pencil pushing jobs by Daddy won't let that happen for too long. That's how we'll end up getting UBI, once it threatens the white middle class
+--- 115913685
+somewhat glad I kept my hobbies as hobbies and stayed in STEM instead of making it my trade so I don't have to panic over it
+--- 115913696
+>>115913685
+I thought about getting a degree in computer science but I sucked at math and went with business instead. Pretty stupid decision in hindsight, I would have been better off with a low STEM GPA than an honors degree in businses
+--- 115913719
+>>115913696
+>business degree
+Lol utterly worthless. Youre only supposed to get those if your white dad has connections and can get you a job when you graduate. It's just bullshit piece of paper meant for WASP failsons so HR can pretend theyre qualified. If you dont have that you just spent 4 years throwing $ down the drain. I recommend becoming a plumber.
+--- 115913761
+>>115912237
+being stupid and/or mentally ill is a prerequisite to falling down the /pol/ rabbit hole. their whole ideology falls apart if you apply some critical thinking
+--- 115913814
+>>115913440
+See my posts
+>>115913606 →
+and
+>>115913698 →
+I think you're missing the point of the artform if the end goal isn't for it to ultimately be shared in some way, as a way for an artist to showcase their musical talents and give the audience a window into their soul. I think the commodification of music has made that much harder to see but if you were to imagine the times before recorded music or some african tribe drum ritual, you'll understand that music is a powerful way for people to connect. My worry is that AI art will completely obscure that fact and put the goal of music solely on "sounding good" with no regards to human connection. If it will be easy enough to just type in some keywords and get a song then after a certain point there will be no artists, you just type what you want to play into the music box and you get it entirely from the machine.
+--- 115915193
+>>115912689
+now you're getting it ! not having to work and implementing UBI sounds awesome to me. more time to create music
+>>115913814
+and there's nothing wrong with that. you just see it as a negative because your brain wants you to. the "COMMISSIONS OPEN" mfs want you to think that so that they can keep making money off of you.
+the bottom line is i am for anything that puts more artists into the world. i am for anything that makes it easier to express yourself. i am for anything that makes it easier for people with disabilities (me) to become artists. what i am AGAINST is dumbasses telling me what i can and can't use to express myself. i'll do whatever i want, it's fun and hurts nothing except the capital. if you're scared of the future that's fine, but you shouldn't be. and if you're advocating for the limiting of self-expression then i am against you.
+--- 115916210
+I want to see a new movie made:
+Dr. Sneedcuck or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the AI Art
+--- 115916580
+>>115915193
+bro you’re literally disabled your opinion is inferior to mine as is your lame body
+--- 115916710
+>>115915193
+> i am for anything that puts more artists into the world
+Pros and amateurs alike will have their art drowned out by AI generated slop. What incentive do people have to become artists if their work will never be seen?
+--- 115916895
+>>115915193
+>i am for anything that makes it easier for people with disabilities (me) to become artists
+I'm all for making artistic expression more accessible to people with disabilities. This is not that. This is akin to providing a service to someone: Give me your prompt, I'll come back with some finished songs/paintings, and you can see what you like. The resulting work was not created by you. I'm not interested in it. I'm more interested in what *you* have to say.
+--- 115917526
+>>115916710
+personal gratification. with new possibilities comes new boundaries to smash. feeling like you’re contributing to the future of art and pushing those boundaries is more gratifying than anything in this world. and i know what you’re gonna say: “but AI bad so how contribute to future of art?” and to that i really have no idea what to say because you’re clearly way too stubborn to understand
+>>115916895
+right, *you’re* not interested. you just don’t believe that you can express yourself with the help of AI, and for that you will die with the past for not embracing the future, all the while i will be creating my best art with the help of AI like i’ve been doing. good luck pal !
+--- 115917576
+>>115915193
+>COMISSIONS OPEN
+I guess if you listen to more mainstream, or I guess performative(?as in like a performance or persona but not in a bad way, kayfabe if that makes sense) music then it may not bother you as much. I really value the sense of emotional authenticity and honesty that a song can bring, with artists like the microphones or elliot smith and recently emma ruth rundle or anna von hausswolff. I care about that emotional composition about as much if not more than the technical composition in a song, so it bothers me to try and pretend a machine is going to make any coherent or interesting music on an emotional, it'll be mindless technical proficiency like some shitty prog rock or tech metal band. It feels like the foundation of art is someone sharing a cool idea or observation or emotion or thought or visual or sound or whatever, something that is interesting and technically competent, with someone else; the act of someone saying something is art is what brings that creation its status as a piece of art; AI music will fundamentally always copy the aesthetics of art without that necessary human urge, observation, that is art the foundation of what art is; it will always be a hollow simulacra of art and I since I value specifically emotional honesty, I absolutely don't want an unmotivated clone of it in my music
+--- 115917988
+>>115917576
+it kinda just sounds like you think everyone will just be shitting out AI results without putting your own spin on it, which is pretty stupid. of course, you will still have people who don’t utilise it and of course, there will be people who will but no one will be listening to just AI music. we already have that, those like 24/7 djent generated streams. shit sucks. that’s why if we combine it with our own emotion it could enhance and uplift the emotional value by showing us possibilities we never thought were possible before.
+btw, generative music is and has been a thing for quite some time now
+--- 115918044
+Mainstream pop has undergone a process of commodification and standardization by teams of songwriters and producers since the emergence of Max Martin and his collaborators with acts like Britney Spears, NSYNC, and Ace of Base in the late 90s. Ever since then, every top 40 pop star has been a mere performer executing songs handed to them by teams of songwriters so AI isnt really changing much since we havent had singer/songwriters writing and playing everything without help from big hitmakers. Rock bands and singer songwriters still exist but they don't get promoted by the mainstream labels, who largely focus on hip hop and the aforementioned mass produced assembly line pop music that recycles chord progressions and melodies.
+--- 115918491
+>>115913719
+>white dad
+You mean Jewish.

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+--- 115908454
+I am sick of the renewed interest by zoomers in this shitty edgelord band. Listen, I was in high school when mcr was popular, and you got made fun of for liking them. It's not cool. Now all these zoomer goth girls are wearing their t-shirts and pretending, I presume, to like their songs, all while brushing off any actually good recommendations I give. Fuck off with this shit.
+--- 115908509
+mcr fans were bullied by NORPs in the 2000s, they'd be like 30 now at least. very different population from the new teenage fans
+--- 115908553
+>>115908454 (OP)
+>all while brushing off any actually good recommendations I give
+the kids are alright
+--- 115908661
+>>115908454 (OP)
+i too get upset over what teenage girls are listening to and not listening to
+--- 115908662
+>>115908454 (OP)
+Cry about it you geriatric fuck :) still not listening to metal btw
+--- 115908693
+>>115908454 (OP)
+All the cool kids I went to middle/high school were regular Warped Tour attenders year over year. The baseball team especially for some reason. I avoided this music and got more into 80s/90s music. I'm glad I have no nostalgic connection positive or negative with bands of this era. It was just radio music. I like it more now, I have no hang-ups (unlike OP).
+--- 115908755
+>>115908454 (OP)
+It's starting to happen with all those shitty bands. Bands like Slipknot, Korn and Trivium are going to be trendy as fuck in about a year mark my words.
+--- 115908756
+>>115908454 (OP)
+Yes,they should be listening to True Scandanavian Black Metal instead.
+--- 115908791
+>>115908755
+Slipknot has been trendy for the better part of 20 years. They should have fallen off at some point but they never did
+--- 115908810
+MCR sound like the Rolling Stones in contrast to today's crap
+Nobody in the current game is remotely close to conceiving something even half as good as that when I was a young boy song
+--- 115908827
+>>115908791
+where I'm from Slipknot go you bullied to fuck. It was the opposite of trendy, It was like wearing a maga hat in my hood.
+--- 115910951
+>>115908454 (OP)
+Are you okay, anon? You were starting to sound like a cock sucker just them.
+--- 115911521
+>>115908454 (OP)
+Normie core then and now. Gay Green Day for theatre kidz.
+--- 115914283
+>>115908454 (OP)
+>t. waah zoomer goth girls wearing mcr t-shirts won't fuck me
+--- 115916216
+>>115908454 (OP)
+they would get bullied more if they listened to whatever it is you would recommend
+--- 115918737
+>>115908454 (OP)
+what's this assumption people pretend to like bands? there are some people who wear nirvana or misfits shirts and don't really like the band but a lot of them don't even know it's a band. it's not exactly hard to listen to mcr or any other band and like the music most people wearing the shirts probably like them this obsession that anyone who takes the time to buy the shirt can't take the time to listen to the music is some insecure need to be special or a "true" fan of mainstream bands if someone's wearing an mcr shirt 99% they're a fan

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+--- 115908477
+>IT'S MY LIFE
+>DON'T YOU FORGET!!
+>cool synth lines start playing
+based
+--- 115908598
+>>115908477 (OP)
+Idgaf what the critics say, this will always be their best album in my opinion
+--- 115908624
+>SHE DON'T BELIEVE IN SHOOTIN STARS
+--- 115908735
+talk talk is so awful, southerners can't be trusted with music
+--- 115909033
+The No Doubt version was better.
+--- 115912053
+Probably the best rock band ever, all of their albums are great and different from each other
+--- 115912500
+>>115909033
+it was pretty good
+--- 115912520
+it is it me lyfe :-)
+--- 115914717
+Tomorrow Started, jesus fuck bros...
+--- 115914786
+>>115912520
+:D
+--- 115915320
+>A FEELING THAT WE SHARE
+>IT'S A SHAAAMMMEEEEE
+--- 115918065
+up

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+--- 115909259
+Does anyone here unironically think Grimes is a good electronic musician? I tried listening to some of her tunes, but I just cringed through all of them. The vocals are too high-pitched and the melodies are simplistic. It sounds more like shitty nupop than electronic music. Should I keep seeking for something better in her discography or is she just another meme whore? What did I not hear in her songs that makes people say she is the best female electronic artist?
+--- 115909343
+>>115909259 (OP)
+Nah shes alright, this is another basic 4channeler take on Le female artist
+--- 115909707
+>>115909259 (OP)
+>Elon fucked that
+--- 115909751
+Grimes's pasty white ass
+--- 115909791
+>>115909259 (OP)
+Used to think she was pretty great but her last couple releases have been mostly boring and surprisingly basic. Her image, persona, and celebrity have really elevated her far above where she should probably be at. It made sense for her to be an indie darling but if she was new and releasing the stuff she is now I am pretty sure she'd mostly be looked over
+--- 115909792
+she has some catchy song. Not great music by any means but fun to listen to occasionally
+--- 115910056
+the appeal is the passion in her songwriting and the dipping into mysticism
+she sold her soul to the devil tho so the mysticism is no longer appealing
+--- 115910100
+>>115909259 (OP)
+shes has some talent, but her music is total fucking trash
+the rest of what shes doing is also trash
+--- 115910279
+>>115909259 (OP)
+Of all the women he could have chosen, Elon picked THIS? No hips, no ass, no tits, ugly face? She looks like a fucking tranny. What motivated Elon to FILL HER TO THE BRIM?
+--- 115910526
+>>115910279
+Crazy = good sex
+--- 115910910
+>>115909259 (OP)
+no ass
+--- 115911511
+>>115910910
+This is a good ass, zoomers. Stop thinking diapers full of shit look good. Cellulite is still gross.
+--- 115911573
+>>115911511
+nah that ass would be mediocre even on a man. You are just gay
+--- 115911590
+>>115909259 (OP)
+i unironically think grimes is a good electronic musician
+--- 115912605
+i like grimes, though her latest, and really early stuff is poo
+Though her molodies are simple, especially in visons, her production is really cool, and her songs are thematic. Even if you dont like alot of her stuff, you can't deny it has soul
+--- 115912632
+>>115911511
+nah, that's a child/man's ass, you're a faggot/paedophile
+--- 115912666
+>>115909259 (OP)
+Visions is really good. Art angels is ok. New album is meh. Everything else is amusing. Dream fortress is 20/10
+--- 115914195
+No, I can't even listen to her music on drugs, I've tried to enjoy her music, thought it might be like bladee where I thought it was shit at first but then liked eventually when I was fucked up.
+But not even drugs can make her music sound good to me
+--- 115914405
+>>115909259 (OP)
+This is not attractive or erotic at all. If you are so retarded that you decided to post coombait on /mu/ of all boards, at least post something sexually appealing
+--- 115914444
+>>115909259 (OP)
+--- 115914453
+>>115909259 (OP)
+Yes, she is my favorite artist and VISIONS is the GOAT album. I don't know which songs you listened but you should definitely start with Visions.
+--- 115914469
+visions is pretty good dream pop synthpop stuff. it has a unique quality to it, she had an ethereal floaty voice and fun upbeat synths, it was like an english language version of jpop but mixed with witch house and synthpop. she was genuinely an exciting artist in the early-mid 2010s
+--- 115914483
+>>115909751
+When you say "pasty" what do you mean, exactly? Or are you just trying to be racist in general?
+--- 115914572
+>>115914483
+Bro she needs some sun it's not about race you lunatic
+--- 115914633
+>>115909707
+>>115910910
+>>115912632
+>>115914405
+gays
+--- 115914704
+Grimes is hot
+--- 115914721
+>>115914444
+Yeah
+--- 115914735
+>>115909259 (OP)
+She's a wannabe Bjork
+--- 115914960
+>>115909259 (OP)
+Everyone after Art Angels is trash. Everything up to and including Art Angels is good.
+--- 115914981
+>>115914735
+She sounds absolutely nothing like Bjork whatsoever, and has an entirely different aesthetic approach to fashion, art and music.
+--- 115915237
+>>115909259 (OP)
+it is pop tho... i dont think anyone is trying to convince you otherwise
+--- 115915247
+>>115909259 (OP)
+Flabby white ass is the best
+--- 115915537
+Everyone in this thread is talking shit about her body. And yeah, her ass is flat and she's a basic skinny white bitch. But you're lying or gay if you say you wouldn't fuck her if she was in front of you with her legs spread right now.
+--- 115915680
+>>115915537
+She is confirmed used goods, so no, I wouldn't.
+--- 115915713
+>>115915680
+who said used goods can't be used again tho
+--- 115915732
+>>115909259 (OP)
+I'm really glad I found this picture.
+--- 115915745
+>>115915680
+>"used goods" meme
+Nope. If a decent-looking girl spread her legs for you, you wouldn't be thinking about how many dudes she'd been with previously. You don't get nearly enough pussy to be that picky.
+--- 115915764
+>>115911573
+I like asses of all sizes, unless they're so huge that they look disgusting. It doesn't have to be fucking gigantic. I prefer a small, firm butt with a really nice shape. Her ass isn't ideal but it's still really nice to look at.
+--- 115915830
+>>115909259 (OP)
+I like her first three albums. In 2013 I thought she would actually be the artist of the decade but it turned out she had already peaked by then. As for her personality, I can't stand her.
+--- 115915853
+>>115915830
+>As for her personality, I can't stand her.
+What's her personality? I've only listened to her music.
+--- 115915859
+>>115915745
+I was a virgin when I turned down a slut, in retrospect it was a mistake, because 7 years later I'm still a virgin, but don't make those assumptions
+--- 115916118
+>>115909259 (OP)
+No.
+--- 115916136
+>>115909259 (OP)
+Visions and Geidi Prime were top tier when they dropped. Everything else has been pop garbage
+--- 115916174
+>>115916136
+Geidi Primes was pretty good, but Halfaxa and Visions is where she peaked. In the early 2010's I thought she would be the artist to fill the void that Animal Collective left.
+--- 115916242
+>>115915853
+You've never even watched one of her interviews? Basically she's stunted at the age of fifteen. I guess it was kind of cute when she was twenty two, but for a woman in her mid thirties, it's just bizarre. If her age weren't known, you would think her tweets were written by an actual child. There's also the stuff about her trying to turn herself into an alien and naming her kid after a wi-fi password.
+I find it hard to believe that you know nothing about her other than her music. She's a highly public figure.
+--- 115916481
+>>115916174
+it was an obnoxious void that didn't need filling tbdesu
+--- 115916592
+>>115909259 (OP)
+Cute butt
+--- 115916620
+>>115916242
+>I find it hard to believe that you know nothing about her other than her music. She's a highly public figure.
+I have literally no concept of modern musicians beyond their music. I can't tell you ANYTHING about Taylor Swift or Phoebe Bridgers. Literally nothing.
+--- 115916666
+>>115916620
+Grimes is more famous for her public persona than her music at this point. Assuming you're not lying to some sanctimonious end, you're in the minority when it comes to Grimes. Most people discover Grimes' music through their knowledge of her as a person. It wasn't that way ten years ago but it is now.
+--- 115916685
+>>115916481
+Animal Collective were the greatest band of the 2000's.
+--- 115917505
+>>115914572
+No, pale skin always looks better than tan skin. The only time a tan is good is when it contrasts with the skin that isn't tan, because that's hot, but even then, it's hot because it draws attention to the pale skin. Pale skin is better.
+--- 115917548
+>>115910279
+autism
+--- 115917559
+>>115917505
+Subjectively, you can prefer the aesthetic of pale skin. Subjectively, you can also prefer fat people, or really skinny people. But objectively speaking, it's unhealthy to be so pale. It means you likely live a lazy, sedentary lifestyle and don't get out much. Granted, women can get away with it more since less is expected of them, but still. I like my women tan and fit.
+--- 115917663
+would smash 100%
+--- 115917666
+>>115917559
+That's not true. Some people are naturally pale. The thing is, because pale skin is more beautiful, it angers people and they feel the need to put it down.
+--- 115917759
+>>115916136
+Wait she did a whole dune album? Never heard of it
+--- 115918102
+>>115915680
+>used goods
+this isn't anime
+--- 115919049
+>>115909259 (OP)
+Beautiful ass.

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+-----
+--- 115909482
+>album released less than a month ago
+>no threads at all
+terrible
+--- 115910101
+>>115909482 (OP)
+Too busy listening to it
+--- 115911127
+“Pussy tastes like Pepsi cola” Lana sucks.
+--- 115911280
+>>115909482 (OP)
+more piano ballads where this pseudo-poet sounds half-awake? how exciting!
+--- 115911654
+its the "church" album
+--- 115911855
+>>115911280
+for 70 fucking minutes!
+--- 115912685
+>>115909482 (OP)
+I sorta like it as concept but it has literally ZERO bangers, so very quick to forget.
+--- 115912920
+she got her tit out. i fapped. i do not lie
+--- 115912975
+>>115909482 (OP)
+She peaked with the PARADISE EP ...
+Who still cares about Lana Del Rey in 2023? You kidding me??
+--- 115913121
+>>115912685
+HANDS ON MY KNEES ANGELINA JOLIE
+--- 115913193
+>>115911127
+Sweet-tasting urine is an early warning sign of diabetes. We could have saved her.
+--- 115913332
+Imagine LDR makes an album and actually has something to say
+--- 115913654
+>>115909482 (OP)
+i've been listening to it on repeat actually
+--- 115914863
+i have to disagree with all of you here. this is a fantastic album , and may be considered an interlude album of her discography - perfectly placed. she must keep interest and try different things.
+of course there is a lot of "filler" but in a day and age where people are saying only singles matter; she creates an album with full feel from beginning to end. and where the album hits well, it hits deep, and memorable.
+to me i love A&amp;W, paris texas , and grandfather is prob my fav. there are are excelent tracks. i even started to understand her placement of the judah smith interlude despite my deep hatred of the jewish psyop known as christianity.
+of course i love lana back to her lizzy grant songs, so i am a special kind of fag and simp for her
+--- 115914901
+>>115909482 (OP)
+someone post the alternate cover with the lana del tit
+--- 115915097
+>>115909482 (OP)
+so tired of her sad and sexy schlock, and the hair bow really adds a new level of pathetic
+imagine just never leaving your pickme phase
+--- 115915123
+>>115915097
+almost like she's looking like a sidepiece at 33
+--- 115915145
+>>115909482 (OP)
+she puts out a new album like every year; who cares.
+--- 115915180
+>>115915145
+yes what great production she has
+--- 115915269
+>>115914901
+--- 115915475
+>>115912975
+>Who still cares about Lana Del Rey in 2023? You kidding me??
+Women.
+--- 115916950
+>>115911127
+this, there will never be kino born to die/ultraviolence era lana ever again. Rip. It was a good run. It is pathetic how she just gave up and is in denial about being a fat porker.
+--- 115918880
+>>115915269
+>censored
+--- 115919241
+>>115911654
+What does that mean?
+--- 115919250
+>>115918880
+post the uncensored then

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+-----
+--- 115909842
+Psyop
+--- 115909887
+music is a psyop
+--- 115910545
+>>115909842 (OP)
+What would be the musical polar opposite of picrel?
+--- 115910693
+>>115909842 (OP)
+What would this even be a Psyop for?
+--- 115910702
+i could've saved her
+--- 115910715
+>>115910545
+Norwegian black metal or Neutral Milk Hotel
+--- 115910778
+>>115910545
+Bach
+--- 115911017
+>>115909842 (OP)
+She know she a 10
+--- 115911090
+>>115910702
+>Isis
+--- 115911109
+>>115909842 (OP)
+I wanna fuck that psyop whoever she is
+--- 115911112
+>>115911017
+>>115911090
+She know she IS IS a 10
+--- 115911325
+>>115910715
+kek
+--- 115911354
+>>115910693
+black women
+--- 115911426
+>>115910693
+my dick to get hard
+--- 115911567
+>>115911354
+So what you actually mean then is that you hate Black Women?
+--- 115911684
+>>115910545
+crywank
+--- 115911687
+>>115910702
+damn
+--- 115911718
+>>115911567
+yes
+--- 115911972
+>>115909842 (OP)
+I'd probably fuck her but I know I would not be as thrilled about it as a lot of other people would
+--- 115912193
+>>115909842 (OP)
+>H-hi... I'm niggas
+>and....this is hard to admit but....I'm a munch
+--- 115912599
+>>115909842 (OP)
+i don’t fuck women who have genetic disorders such as down syndrome
+--- 115912608
+>>115911354
+Dark skin black women hate light skin black women, bro.
+--- 115912626
+>>115909842 (OP)
+I'd have expected someone who looks and behaves like her to sound like the hit or miss girl and not some generic whore rapper
+--- 115912651
+>>115910778
+i feel bach luxuriousness puts him dangerously close to the monke than far from her.
+--- 115912657
+>>115910545
+philip glass einstein on the beach
+--- 115913599
+>>115912651
+lol
+--- 115914260
+>>115909842 (OP)
+why and how r people obsessed with her. is she tiktok famous? never seen her outside of this board
+--- 115914290
+>>115914260
+shes got millions of views on youtube and tiktok bro keep up with the culture
+--- 115914292
+>>115914260
+people?
+--- 115914299
+>>115909842 (OP)
+An entire generation of guys have psyopped themselves thats she's good looking by making jokes that she is, I'll take a 4/10 Irish domestic abuse victim before I consider this ramen headed slop-skinned freak
+--- 115915531
+>>115909842 (OP)
+bruh her ass fat doe
+--- 115915585
+>>115909842 (OP)
+clown tranny
+--- 115915586
+>>115909842 (OP)
+who is this
+--- 115915687
+Baddie status?
+--- 115915768
+>>115915687
+baldie
+--- 115917391
+>>115911426
+Could literally have a girl jerk me off to this bitch and i wouldnt even think about cumming. Also I'm not gay, the state of white men these days is very sad.
+--- 115917399
+>>115909842 (OP)
+psyslop
+--- 115917900
+>>115910693
+at this point the older 1980s millennial apparatchiks assuming control over this shit are just trying to push the envelope as far as they can since they were given no boundaries to begin with. it's so funny how all these loser black guys are gaslighting eachother into acting like this bitch isn't heinously unattractive by every conceivable metric. just totally fucking pathetic. ugly ass chinky looking hexadecaroon with a lump of undissolved kraft macaroni and cheese powder for hair and the lamest excuse for a "thick ass" i've seen in a while. grotesque pear shape body type too i don't know why the ruling class has become so anti-breast in recent years. has absolutely nothing going on for her not even the music. fucking what's her face the pink panther couldn't even carry her on that one song. at some point you guys are gonna have to be brave and stand up to the tv or the fm radio at work or whatever and like rebel against this bullshit fake ass retard culture they try to force on you because this is getting sad to watch
+--- 115918259
+>>115909842 (OP)
+Who is she and why should I care?
+--- 115918285
+>>115918259
+>who
+i think you mean what anon
+--- 115918339
+This thread is very munchy…
+--- 115918647
+>>115918285
+Fair enough
+--- 115918669
+>>115910702
+went from an 8.5/10 out of a 5/10
+--- 115918677
+>>115917900
+>i don't know why the ruling class has become so anti-breast in recent years
+pedo agenda
+anti maternity agenda, anti family agenda
+pro transhuman agenda
+--- 115918750
+>>115910545
+Death Grips
+--- 115918769
+>tfw 30 and too old to give a shit
+--- 115918961
+>>115909842 (OP)
+she a baddie with her baddie friend

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+-----
+--- 115910173
+Why exactly are Gene and Paul so hated amongst music fans? It's not even really just in rock and metal circles, it's across the board.
+--- 115910263
+>>115910173 (OP)
+ROCK N ROLL
+--- 115910296
+>>115910173 (OP)
+>Why are Gene and Paul hated
+Antisemitism
+--- 115910445
+>>115910173 (OP)
+Gene is what he is. People don’t really hate Paul outside of Kiss fans who want the original line-up.
+--- 115910724
+>>115910173 (OP)
+They are disgusting trend chasers. Start with glam rock when Bowie, Slade and T. Rex was on top, then disco explode and they turned into disco-influenced pop rock. Then glam metal come and they get unmasked and start playing hair metal. Then grunge craze start and they turned into alt/hard rock with grunge sound and finally into bad grunge on Carnival of Souls. Also they are sell coffins and toilet seats merchandise, how can you expect to be taken seriously with this shit?
+--- 115910753
+>>115910296
+Why does everyone love Lou Reed then?
+--- 115910765
+>>115910724
+Yeah prettymuch,KISS is some of the most soulless trash imaginable.
+--- 115910781
+>>115910445
+here, listen to Paul seethe over Ace Frehley for 41 minutes
+>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VO61qN4tkk [Embed]
+--- 115910809
+>>115910781
+there's a bit in his autobiography where he talks about walking in on their manager Bill Acoin in bed with a kid and he just sort of goes "I couldn't believe it, I was really disappointed" and then they just carry on as if nothing happened.
+kinda gross desu, lost quite a bit of respect for him after that
+--- 115910901
+>>115910724
+You forgot to mention they also rented out their image for shows. So you could have "kiss" playing in two different states on the same night.
+--- 115911156
+>>115910724
+>Start with glam rock when Bowie, Slade and T. Rex was on top
+they were influenced by bands from the New York scene such as the New York Dolls and Alice Cooper, their early music isn't even all that glammy as it's mostly just catchy hard rock
+>then disco explode and they turned into disco-influenced pop rock
+they one wrote one disco song which all of them hate
+>Then glam metal come and they get unmasked and start playing hair metal.
+it was the natural progression of the music that they were playing, are Iommi and Dio also sell-outs for switching over to NWOBHM in the 80s with Heaven and Hell and Mob Rules?
+>Then grunge craze start and they turned into alt/hard rock with grunge sound and finally into bad grunge on Carnival of Souls
+i'll give you that one, although they're hardly the only ones guilty of doing so
+also fuck you Psycho Circus is a good album, and hardly grunge
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cvXddSaVG8&amp;ab_channel=KISS-Topic [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DlE3Aq6dLI&amp;ab_channel=KISS-Topic [Embed]
+you're a mad sperg and this is probably you samefagging as well >>115910765, wonder what happened to you that made you hate a band to this degree
+--- 115911238
+>>115911156
+>Psycho Circus
+Now that’s an album I haven’t heard of in a long time…long time. I used to listen to it while playing GTA1.
+--- 115911330
+>>115911156
+for some reason i mixed up Carnival of Souls with Psycho Circus
+truth is Gene and Paul were pretty aimless without someone like Ace or Vinnie to give them a sound to work with
+--- 115911485
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3Zuw1Y8QrU [Embed]
+They're the least rock n' roll out of all the big rock stars. Check out how awkward and uncomfortable they are in the above interview where Ace and Peter are just being themselves.
+--- 115912650
+one thing you notice about Jews is that they're good at the management or business side of music but they aren't very good at actually making music themselves outside of writing lyrics
+--- 115912761
+>>115911330
+>truth is Gene and Paul were pretty aimless without someone like Ace or Vinnie to give them a sound to work with
+and then they got mad that Ace and Vinnie were more talented than them
+--- 115912785
+>>115910753
+Lou Reed is a hack.
+--- 115912818
+>>115912650
+>>115911485
+I wouldn't say David Lee Roth didn't know how to do the rock star schtick though he's more likely than not mixed as he has blonde hair.
+--- 115913231
+>>115911330
+Have you listened to the first Frehley's Comet album? It's fucking great.
+--- 115913275
+>>115912650
+Chuck Schuldinger and Donnie Iris were pretty good. Marty Friedman too.
+--- 115913435
+>>115910781
+I think Ace took his German heritage LARPing a little too far. And you thought plastic paddies were bad.
+--- 115913608
+>>115910173 (OP)
+Well Gene has a reputation for being colossal douche. Axl Rose is hated for similar reasons.
+--- 115913830
+>>115910781
+This just sounded jaded. Who's solo album was the most famous? Oh that's right, Ace's. Not Gene or Paul's. Ace's.
+--- 115913935
+>>115910173 (OP)
+They actually wanted to make money.
+--- 115913997
+>>115910173 (OP)
+They're two dudes wearing corny costumes and making corny music for 15 year olds from like 40 years ago.
+--- 115914012
+Paul hates Frehley and Peter Criss because they're goyims. That's the only reason.
+--- 115914232
+>>115910173 (OP)
+I like Kiss but these two are absolute turds. Gotta separate the art from the artist, like Lostprophets
+--- 115914246
+>>115910296
+Ashkenazi Jews aren't Semites.
+--- 115914342
+>>115910781
+how are there people who see these videos and actually believe them
+--- 115914454
+Paul is a really autistic, driven guy and he thinks Ace, Peter, and post-70s Gene were slackers who didn't work hard enough or take themselves seriously.
+--- 115914470
+>>115914246
+>ashke
+>nazi
+>jews
+Such a funny joke God played on them.
+--- 115915843
+>>115911156
+>Psycho Circus
+Man the music video for that song is a masterpiece
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWIW6Ti0PbE [Embed]
+--- 115916403
+>>115913435
+>half Dutch, half Cherokee and looks Asian
+>heavy German heritage LARPing
+Ace truly is /pol/ incarnate
+--- 115917815
+>>115910724
+>they turned into disco-influenced pop rock.
+A lot of bands had a few disco songs as well like Queen and Rolling Stones. Are they trend chasers as well?
+--- 115917868
+>>115911485
+Ace and Peter were drunk and Gene/Paul were visibly upset at them being so, that's why they were acting uncomfortable.
+--- 115918855
+only posers hate Gene and Paul. people who understand music know they are the Lennon/McCartney of rock and roll music

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+-----
+--- 115910257
+My whole life is just so fucked up and music about killing is the only thing that helps calm me down.
+I want to find the most brutal, gory, violent song there is.
+This is the kind of shit I’m into right now https://youtu.be/A45BfJTcERA [Embed]
+--- 115910323
+>>115910257 (OP)
+https://vimeo.com/426061660
+--- 115910564
+https://youtu.be/YoqV-2MDmrY [Embed]
+This one has a nice little speech
+--- 115912007
+lmao
+--- 115914252
+If you don't care about a hip hop bend, Evil Pimps music is pretty much all about killing
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_8gYQRQPoM [Embed]
+--- 115914636
+>>115910257 (OP)
+Lighten up, dude.
+https://youtu.be/LB5YkmjalDg [Embed]
+--- 115914731
+>>115910257 (OP)
+look no further if you want the real shit >=-)
+--- 115914768
+>>115910257 (OP)
+>I want to find the most brutal, gory, violent song there is.
+Holy cringe you're a fucking loser, how about you do something to improve your situation faggot
+--- 115914838
+>>115914768
+>improve your situation
+hey little mam's boy bitch keep talking from your little bubble little boy maybe some day you'll get a taste of the real world and you won't survive a second without sucking on your mom's tit little boy maybe some people live in a world a lot harsher and more dangerous than your comfy little world little boy maybe you shouldn't speak about what you don't know because some men are actual men little boy and some are MONSTERS... :)
+--- 115914840
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkaxbaX1WAE [Embed]
+Unkle Adams - I Am Stronger (Official Anti-Bullying Music Video)
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xe6nLVXEC0 [Embed]
+Boyinaband - Dont Stay in School
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy9HOaDU318 [Embed]
+AJR - Turning Out
+--- 115914877
+>>115914731
+Slipknot is for trannies
+--- 115914882
+>>115914838
+right you got me nice bait sir carry on, nobody is this autistic irl
+--- 115914896
+>>115910257 (OP)
+listen to some phonk
+--- 115914908
+>>115914882
+The joker in the OP should've have instantly given it away
+--- 115914931
+>>115914731
+pic unrelated
+--- 115914972
+>>115910257 (OP)
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU [Embed]
+--- 115915560
+The problem is you're trying to listen to actual music. Go on a gore site, and listen to those videos in the background. Nothing like a good cartel beheading, eh?
+--- 115917889
+>>115910257 (OP)
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlu1ZfYr6vA [Embed]

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+--- 115910660
+Is it a must to appreciate, feel and enjoy music at the highest layers?
+--- 115910665
+>>115910660 (OP)
+Depends on who you are probably but it does help.
+--- 115910675
+>>115910660 (OP)
+Weed makes every song sound better and more interesting. I can't even explain why or how, it just does.
+--- 115910776
+>>115910675
+I fele like either people who grow weed or people who work at rehab clinics+psychologists all probably have at least some ideas about that,not to be facts and reddit about it.
+--- 115910786
+>>115910660 (OP)
+no, good music can/should be enjoyed sober.
+--- 115910803
+>>115910786
+Music can be enjoyed sober, but the same song can sound very different when you're stoned. I feel bad for people who can't experience it
+--- 115910822
+>>115910660 (OP)
+you're just more focused on it, ah yeah and retards get even more retarded with it.
+--- 115911007
+>>115910803
+i feel bad for people who need it to enjoy music
+--- 115911082
+Yes
+High on life that is, nothing else
+--- 115911524
+>>115910660 (OP)
+being stoned for me is the difference between enjoying a song and wanting to move my whole body to a song
+--- 115911673
+acid is even better. if you've never heard psychedelic rock or electronic music while tripping you might as well not have listened to it at all.
+--- 115911850
+>>115910660 (OP)
+Not really. For me personally, music sounds very good while high, but if I have been smoking for a while and then I suddenly stop, after a couple of days music starts to sound reaaaaally good, even better than when I was smoking. Anyone else experience this?
+>>115911673
+also yea, psychedelic music while tripping is some of the most amazing shit ever. Psychedelic cumbia is the absolute best imo. But its weird, not every kind of music gets enhanced on acid, some music may sound very pleasant sober but it will sound very weird and creepy while tripping
+--- 115911954
+>>115911850
+>But its weird, not every kind of music gets enhanced on acid
+this is basically my definition of psychedelic music. there's the stuff that transforms into something else (psychedelic) and the stuff that just sounds the same as it always does (not psychedelic).
+--- 115912076
+>>115911673
+if you have trouble gettingtinto classical music it's the food of the gods on psychedelics
+--- 115912103
+>>115911007
+they don't need it. They're just having a much better time than you. Stop coping anon it's unbecoming
+--- 115912120
+>>115911673
+2cb mogs acid at least when it comes to listening to music
+--- 115912129
+>>115910660 (OP)
+I don't know but check out this album if you're high
+--- 115912151
+If you aren't a complete junkie loser than you can try meditation or exercise to music, one where you can fully clear your mind to truly enjoy and appreciate the artistry, and other other where not only are you getting the happiness chemicals but there's an added sense of achievement and purpose that you are capable of doing all on your own. For example I feel like a nigga on the moon when I run to that album
+Weed is pretty fun though ngl
+--- 115912174
+>>115911082
+based
+--- 115912596
+>>115910803
+>Music can be enjoyed sober, but the same song can sound very different when you're stoned
+It is interesting, I was jamming with my brother, and we smoked some weed, when we came inside to play, we had our amps turned up. I was " like "wow do we really play that loud?! holy fuck that cannot be good for our ears, and I could feel the sonic vibrations more intensely, the downside was I became a lot more self conscious about what I was playing, I almost had to stop. I read a thing about Noel Gallagher saying he would test their music by getting high, if he still liked it when he was high it was a keeper.
+--- 115912609
+>>115910660 (OP)
+dealer hands typed this
+--- 115912613
+>>115912151
+>nigga on the moon
+my new album
+--- 115912640
+i used to get high, put narkopop and enjoy the most based edging/jerkoffs sessions. i did this for months, did it every time i was about to sleep, so at 1am, i strongly recommend trying this to an ambient record you like.
+--- 115913149
+Weed lowers your standards.
+When I quit weed I thought music just sounded less interesting. In reality I was just listening to a lot of terrible music and didn't realize it.
+If you need weed to enjoy the music you listen to, you listen to trash.
+--- 115913194
+>>115912151
+meditating to music is pretty based. of course you can also do that while high dont tell buddhists
+--- 115913209
+>>115910660 (OP)
+No. Every single time I smoked weed, I felt too tired and sleepy to truly enjoy anything, other than a good night of sleep.
+--- 115913267
+>>115913194
+meditator here.
+it's nearly impossible to meditate to most music outside of ambient/drone. Percussion and most vocals disrupt the meditative state.
+Also it's nearly impossible to meditate while being stoned, or even have spiritual development take place in your life if you use THC. Weed is spiritually stunting. If you use THC frequently, you'll stay in the same spiritual level and never advance.
+--- 115913295
+>>115911850
+>some music may sound very pleasant sober but it will sound very weird and creepy while tripping
+God ain't that the truth, every time I trip I try to listen to stuff I haven't listened to before while tripping and some stuff sounds crazy annoying
+--- 115913445
+>>115913267
+I'm talking about meditating for purposes of engrossing yourself in the music, not meditation for meditation's sake
+>Weed is spiritually stunting
+I dont mind, sometimes samsara is cozy
+--- 115913531
+>>115912120
+i find it pretty equal and i've took really high doses of both
+--- 115914005
+>>115910660 (OP)
+when i do drugs that alter my perception of reality i like to figure out what music feels and sounds like on that drug. i enjoy finding out all the different angles i could approach music from and all the experiences i can get with music.
+--- 115914061
+Sometimes when I get high it feels like an insturament is added to the music, usually its this ever looping synth guitar in the background of almost any song. Idk. I gotta start listening to more music high instead of just jerking off and eating a bunch of junk food.
+--- 115914140
+no, but it makes it more fun
+I would argue that you need to start learning music theory or some kind of instrument to appreciate on a higher level
+--- 115915769
+no, but this is
+--- 115915807
+>>115913445
+--- 115915844
+>>115910660 (OP)
+Yeah pretty much. Without weed I feel like I'm always missing something.
+--- 115915876
+Dudes I'm stoned rn lol recs pls
+--- 115915923
+>>115910675
+I've also written some really great hooks while stoned. I once wrote a very concise three and a half song that was so perfect I felt like there was no way I could have possibly written something like that while sober. A lot of the stuff I'd written while sober prior to that was long, meandering tone poems that sounded okay but were pretty unremarkable despite how many places they went, and in three minutes I wrote a song that sounded like something it would take five people to make. It totally changed my approach and made me start writing stuff that was more legitimate and meaningful, and not just a guy jerking off with a guitar for ten minutes.
+--- 115916101
+>>115915923
+I get this, you tap into a sort of simplistic child like way of processing senses and it can take you down a really nice path
+--- 115916491
+>>115915876
+https://youtu.be/Euc3zf61u_I [Embed]
+--- 115916560
+>>115910660 (OP)
+Based low IQ
+--- 115916862
+>>115916560
+You just used the word based. I think you're the one with a low IQ.
+--- 115918055
+>>115910660 (OP)
+if you are 15
+it makes music magical but eventually the magic goes away forever
+--- 115918079
+>>115915876
+this brings me back to my teenage years were id get high af and blast vaporwave while playing vidya
+Ive never been that happy since, I miss my young brain
+--- 115918124
+>>115910660 (OP)
+I don't know, to me it sounds pretty much the same as when I'm sober. I just notice more things, but other than that nothing. Alcohol at least makes music more fun.
+--- 115918142
+>>115910660 (OP)
+No. Making music will make you feel that way.
+--- 115918234
+>>115910660 (OP)
+>if i dampen my conciousness will i be more conscious
+yeah bro totally smoke up
+--- 115919037
+MDMA will make music downright magical, especially electronic stuff. Just make sure not to overdo it, twice a year tops.
+--- 115919094
+>>115910675
+You just become hyper aware is all
+It makes you notice and appreciate the little things in the music you otherwise dont notice.
+--- 115919123
+the only thing weed does is turn white people black
+--- 115919155
+>>115910660 (OP)
+it is right now that's for sure i was dry but JUST got stickiest of the ickycheeba and it makes all the difference in the world
+--- 115919225
+Just don't try anything harder than LSD like ether, There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge

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+--- 115910936
+>have a group of close friends
+>common interests, we like to wrench on cars and play games together and just hang out
+>be working on my car in the shed with the boys
+>The radio playing in the background breathes it's last breath
+>"Ayo radio died, someone put some music on"
+>Get in car, switch on auxiliary power and turn on the head unit
+>It's 2k18, A Laughing Death In Meatspace by Tropical Fuck Storm just came out
+>I love the album and it's basically on repeat on my phone
+>Phone automatically connects to head unit via Bluetooth and Soft Power starts playing
+>Eh, whatever it can stay on
+>Seconds later literally everyone but me is visibly disgruntled
+>"Man, wtf is this noise? Put something normal on"
+>I just disconnect Bluetooth in embarassment and let someone else play music
+Ever since that day I am overly conscious of my music taste and only ever share songs with extremely close friends or people who I know are a bit open minded in terms of music. That album isn't even that heavy man, why were they so angry?
+Did you ever get reminded you're *THAT* guy /mu/?
+--- 115910979
+>>115910936 (OP)
+I once suggested my bro play Farewell Transmission for everyone in the car because he had just recently played a more artsy-sounding song that I forgot what it was, but I forgot how long that song can drag on for if you're not prepared for it, and it was really awkward and that was the last time I ever suggested a song.
+--- 115910986
+>>115910936 (OP)
+Your friends sound lame, you'd enjoy life far more being on your own rather than with those faggots. I never feel embarassed about my music taste because I don't have to justify it to anyone, and if I had a true friend they wouldn't be such a cunt about something that doesn't impact their life.
+--- 115911001
+>>115910979
+Oh man, having to sit through the song you suggested when you know nobody is enjoying it is like 10x worse than getting called out on it. I'm so sorry for you
+--- 115911020
+My friends will listen to Steely Dan followed by Polkadot Stingray followed by Fela Kuti
+AND LIKE IT
+--- 115911023
+>>115911001
+Yeah for real, you just wish someone would go out and say "this shit sucks" and move on, then its less awkward and everyone can have a good laugh about it.
+--- 115911026
+>>115910979
+>listen
+long dark blues
+--- 115911040
+>>115910936 (OP)
+my friends are incredibly retarded haters.
+--- 115911086
+>>115911020
+>followed by Fela Kuti
+hit me up with your friends
+--- 115911133
+I once put on In Our Angelhood by Cocteau Twins and got flamed for it because someone thought it was music for homos
+--- 115911150
+>>115910936 (OP)
+I once put on a song from one of my favorite bands, VIZA, while sitting in the car with my mother.
+My mother listened to it for 20 seconds before calling it garbage.
+My mom only likes Pop music
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfJ6WclahnY&amp;list=RDMM&amp;index=7 [Embed] the song in question
+--- 115911199
+>>115911150
+I have never heard of this band, but after this song I need more. What do you recommend, friend?
+--- 115911236
+>>115911199
+Try their albums Made in chernobyl and Carnivalia, then go from there.
+https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLg6UCx9cu4pbHil1Kp09AWEfB81kgBcd4
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcYA1ETtqWg&amp;list=PL25aI5zJ-cEHlEXnEhA8YujYAw9Y2bXLJ [Embed]
+--- 115911246
+>>115911236
+https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL25aI5zJ-cEHlEXnEhA8YujYAw9Y2bXLJ
+Fucked up the copy paste for the carnivalia album.
+--- 115911247
+>>115911236
+I shall, thanks cobba
+--- 115911277
+>>115910936 (OP)
+Reminds me when I used to go round to my buddys to get drunk when I was younger, in the mornings we'd all put on different songs whilst recovering from the hangover it was great. It was mostly Joy Division, The Smiths and a fair bit of Britpop which was great and noone got pissed off. I miss those days
+--- 115911362
+>>115910936 (OP)
+I don't socialise with people in real life
+--- 115911493
+>>115911086
+Only if you're in KY
+--- 115912156
+Despite repeatedly pleading that I don't want to, my colleague in the work car insisted I put on the last thing I have been listening to.
+>it'll be a nice way of getting to know each other
+>I put on Mob Shity by Pig DNA
+>... I... I could imagine some headbangin g .... hehe
+--- 115912296
+>>115910936 (OP)
+I'm not a retard and my friends aren't boring so I just play music I like that fits the mood and everyone always approves. I'm pretty much the democratically-elected DJ for most social events I attend
+Sometimes I'll even play weird shit like The Residents or something and people will just laugh rather than getting hostile about it. Get better friends and/or be less autistic
+--- 115912338
+I just learned I was this kid in middle school and resolved to never bother trying to play shit for other people unless I knew they liked listening to music. And I have made an effort to only make friends with people that like music.
+>>115910979
+this is a nice song anon. I genuinely don't understand where people are coming from if they say a song goes on too long since I generally just vibe out to albums as if they were one big long song. I wonder though if your nervous reaction to seeing everyone not immediately get it would have been better if you had just openly enjoyed the song and been happy about it playing, maybe primed everyone in the wrong way if that makes sense
+>>115912156
+kek
+--- 115912660
+>>115910936 (OP)
+No. I'm not autistic, so I have a large category of normalfag-friendly music I enjoy plenty to put on with the friends.
+I'm also charismatic enough to play some weird shit, get called on it, and engage in peak bantz over it.
+--- 115912675
+>>115912660
+>large category
+*Catalog, my bad
+--- 115912850
+>>115910936 (OP)
+When I was 15 or 16 I played Painkiller by Judas Priest (which was my favourite song at the time) for a bunch of other girls in my year. They scoffed at it and the moment the song was done they put on Justin Bieber and started dancing while asking me if I thought he was hot. After that they put on Cupcakke and laughed about me being uncomfortable.
+--- 115912872
+>>115912850
+The amount of times I've had to sit through WAP would deliver any sane man into apoplexy
+--- 115912932
+>>115910936 (OP)
+first of all I just skipped through that album and it's normie af idunno what kinda people you hang out with but that's just alternative pop rock music, I was expecting power electronics or something.
+second of all, if people respect you then when you play the music that you like they'll either pretend to also like it or start liking it later on. everything is cool when a cool person does it.
+--- 115913029
+>>115912872
+I don't get the appeal of that song. The lyrics are some of the corniest, unsexiest shit I've ever heard.
+--- 115913150
+>>115913029
+I know dude. I know. I would have to say most women are corny and unsexy though
+--- 115913219
+>>115912932
+You underestimate how normie normies actually are. I've encountered people who only listen to the charts.
+--- 115913265
+for me it all started when I played a Stooges song. Just couldn't handle the fuckin' Stooges
+--- 115913268
+>>115910936 (OP)
+Played some Whitehouse during a cabin weekend and people were concerned
+--- 115913502
+Nobody seems to understand the principle of reciprocation, do they? The normalfag garbage is stuff that almost no one truly enjoys. The major difference between that and Merzbow Boredoms The Gerogerigegege is less the sound itself, more how much they'll tolerate it (i.e. how much attention does it draw to itself). When I play stuff it's either "alternative" yet friendly to the ears or a deeper cut from a well-known group as a compromise.
+On one hand, there are insanely hot people who love /mu/core type stuff, whether they know about this place or not. But then just yesterday everybody's freaking the fuck out over A Clockwork soundtrack, with an accompanying video, when it came on autoplay. Of course this was also karaoke night and Imagine Dragons made an appearance so i should have expected that. TLDR version: Mutual respect will get you everywhere, simple as.
+--- 115913519
+>>115910936 (OP)
+>>have a group of close friends
+normal moment
+--- 115913728
+I cant fucking find anybody irl or even online who likes trance music without going out of my way to find a dedicated community. Why is this? Is it because of how closely trance is associated with flow state and intuition and how antithetical western modern society is to those two things?
+--- 115913802
+>>115913029
+I don't get how ratchet culture ever caught on
+--- 115913886
+But I am
+>some friend's birthday party
+>decide to dj for a while
+>banger after banger
+>dancefloor is full for the first time in the whole night
+>some drunk fat fuck who's my friend's sister's bf starts asking for some tune, I can't even make out what he's saying
+>I fuck off and the party sort of dies again
+I did it again at another guy's party and it was even better. Those were the days
+--- 115914018
+>>115910936 (OP)
+>be in high school circa 2013
+>join the high school band
+>teacher has us do an exercise to introduce ourselves better
+>she'd open youtube and one-by-one everybody would play a song they like
+>people play either the most normalfag friendly dance pop/electronic music or rock music that's literally in Rock Band and Guitar Hero, this one charismatic guy plays internet meme music and gets a laugh, this one girl plays legitimately good classical music piece and gets praise
+>teacher's going by alphabetical order so I'm the last one since my name's towards the end of the alphabet
+>finally get to me
+>had all sorts of songs in my head I wanted to show-off
+>can read the room and knew I'd make a fool of myself to normalfags if I played anything I really liked
+>but don't want to cheapen out and pick something I don't like
+>mind is scrambling to pick something "cool-sounding" that I actually enjoy
+>sweating profusely, stumble up to the computer
+>teacher asks me to name the song I'd like to play and what I like about it
+>awkward pause
+>oh fuck i can't think of anything
+>blurt out the first fucking song that comes to mind
+>y-yeah today we'll be listening to "ne obliviscaris - forget not"... haha
+>already "oh shit nigger what are you doing" in my head
+>teacher pulls it up on youtube, before it can even play she looks at me confused and brings up how it's twelve minutes long
+>insist to her that we can skip to the good bits
+>awkwardly take the mouse from her and disjointedly skip ahead every 30 seconds until the song picks up 5 minutes in
+>class is either silent, giggling or completely disinterested
+>vocal interplay between growls and clean singing starts
+>actual look of disdain from the girls
+>even though nobody told me to stop I stop it anyway
+>teacher awkwardly says "Okay then..., thank you anon for sharing this with the class"
+>never show up to band class again
+--- 115914042
+>>115914018
+Oh god, I felt this.
+--- 115914075
+This has never happened to me because my taste is impeccable and my instincts are always on point
+--- 115914105
+>>115910979
+great song but not in the fucking car man
+--- 115914107
+Man. I once played “Sometimes” by My Bloody Valentine for my college groupmates. We were meeting for a project and I queued it. And they all couldn’t take the noise. They had to cover their ears. Come on it’s one of the more mellow shoegaze songs.
+But yeah normalfags ain’t for me.
+--- 115914146
+>>115911493
+he sounds like a negro soo
+--- 115914168
+Im only friends with like 2 guys at college. One of them is from highschool and I don't think he likes the same music I do. The other one is a massive stoner and an english major so our music tastes overlap quite a bit. I recommended him the blood brothers. And I listened to the moon and Antarctica because of him. He seems nice. I wish I had more friends, I bet its nice to have people with common interests that you can do shit together with.
+--- 115914171
+>>115912850
+>other girls
+you will never be a woman
+--- 115914185
+>>115910936 (OP)
+I'm never the pass the aux guy because I don't hang out with boomers who have never heard of bluetooth speakers.
+--- 115914205
+>This has never happened to me because my taste is impeccable and my instincts are always on point
+--- 115914209
+>>115913728
+>flow state
+you're a drug addict and you like music for drug addicts that they only listen to because they're drug addicts. your "culture" and "community" is just using drugs so if you're not bonding around that you're not going to. stop doing drugs and listen to some real music.
+--- 115914213
+>>115912850
+sounds like a youtube comment
+--- 115914222
+>>115911150
+Holy shit someone else on this board listens to this band? You're probably long gone but I'm glad you exist, anon.
+--- 115914233
+>>115914171
+It was an all girls school.
+--- 115914245
+>>115914213
+Yeah, coming to think of it it sounds too stereotypical to be true. Regrettably, it did happen.
+--- 115914353
+>>115914245
+I played When the Levee Breaks around normalfags before. Biiig mistake.
+--- 115914396
+>>115912932
+Yeah sure, it's not some underground shit but i think you're overestimating your average Spotify mega hit mix listening Joe's ability to handle anything that doesn't follow the mainstream pop formula.
+--- 115914485
+>>115914209
+Ive never done drugs in my life. Flow state is the same as when you "get in the zone", and endurance runners call it a "runners high". Basically whenever you are doing something that doesnt really involve learning but merely performing at a high level. The opppsite of being a coffee addict i guess. Why are western urbanites so hostile to it? Are they all fedora lords?
+--- 115914535
+>>115910936 (OP)
+Holy shit hahah, great story man
+--- 115914541
+>>115914496
+The "Now Playing - Lil Wayne" in the corner makes this even funnier
+--- 115915355
+pseuds getting humbled irl i see
+--- 115915556
+>>115914496
+I played Chelsea Wolfe, Zola Jesus and My Chemical Romance while at a restaurant that had one of these.
+--- 115917659
+>>115913728
+this but for dubstep and techno. trance always felt less interesting but im i sure wouldnt mind it
+--- 115917710
+>>115910936 (OP)
+--- 115917731
+>>115914168
+I love the blood brothers good shit
+--- 115917829
+>>115914146
+I need diversity in my friend group
+So far I got the white supremacist (white), the white supremacist (slavic), the international bigot (arab), and muscle dwarf
+--- 115917859
+>>115914018
+--- 115917895
+Yes, I was the guy who played Echoes at a party. Yes, I sheepishly skipped past the whale noises once the normies got spooked
+--- 115917943
+>>115914205
+>This has never happened to me because I have no friends
+--- 115917973
+>>115914168
+Dude I did the same thing with some guys at my old job. We had a speaker there and I used to play Cecilia and the Silhouette Saloon to see if they like it. Of course they didn't, but it was a good try nonetheless. It's alright dude, I wish I had more friends too. We're all here for each other spiritually.
+--- 115918058
+You have to learn to read the room and understand what the people around you most likely listen too. Most Zoomers are raised almost exclusively on pop music and RnB, so if you're a rock fan, the only thing they will likely know is top charting "pop rock" shit like Imagine Dragons or Beatles. Straight up, Late Millennials and Zoomers are incredibly musically ignorant compared to mid-early Millennials and Gen X due to how homogenized the popular music landscape has become.
+If you want to show them a cool band or producer, then you're going to have to play the most "pop friendly" catchy song of theirs, this means, a song with a good fun repeatable hook or melody, not harsh or complex.
+The issue dealing with most Normies is that most people genuinely, don't really listen to music in the same way us Music Fans do, they don't look for complexity in music, they don't really look at any meaning of the lyrics, they don't imagine scenes or images in their head listening to music, they don't understand soundscapes or anything like that. Music is something that is just catchy that is fun to sing and dance too.
+The only time you can really introduce complex music to Normies, is when they're baked/high as fuck, for whatever reason, weed and psychedelics makes Normies actually listen deeply to music. This is why say at a music festival, Normies will like better music, because they're fucking high as shit. In fact, when I used to be involved with music festival planning, we would literally program the night based entirely on what drugs people would be likely on in the moment.
+t. worked in the music industry, did local radio, worked on festivals.
+--- 115918128
+>>115914496
+>>115914541
+>"Don't be anti-social..."
+--- 115918208
+>>115917895
+I did the same lol
+I kinda cringe at myself now though
+But I also understand why I did it because I was getting into music recently and was very passionate about it
+--- 115918227
+>>115911362
+Based
+--- 115918252
+>>115913802
+It's low effort lowest common denominator and therefore appeals to the modern trash female "goblin mode" enjoyer.
+--- 115918271
+I played Pluto by Björk at a party at a friend's place from start to finish and danced my heart out to it
+--- 115918275
+I played a bit of Rings of Saturn and some faggot said this isn't party music hurrr.
+--- 115918302
+>>115918271
+I tried to get my singer's gf into Homogenic but she was too strung out to care. She died lmao.
+--- 115918585
+>>115918271
+>>115918302
+>Hottest girl I've ever met wanted to talk my ear off about Bjork
+>It didn't work
+>Owari da....
+Is Bjork normally ho-scaring music? How rare was this opportunity, really?
+--- 115918629
+>>115918585
+Unless ya bitches is fuckin weird, yes; Bjork frightens dem hoes.
+--- 115919029
+>>115918629
+>Lemme show you my Bjork tattoo!
+AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

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+--- 115911242
+why no neofolk fade?
+--- 115911734
+>>115911242 (OP)
+back to /lgbt/
+--- 115912280
+>>115911242 (OP)
+Terrible music mate. Death in June is probably the worst folk artist of all-time and not in a hipster cool way. He's legit terrible.
+--- 115913653
+>>115912280
+imagine typing this
+--- 115914341
+Traditional European folk music >>>> Neofolk, that said I like both, however Neofolk can sound a bit bland sometimes with monotone almost spoken word vocals.
+--- 115916276
+>>115912280
+I like his lyrics on some songs, but yeah, "neofolk" is a madeup genre for 4chan chuds who never listened to traditional folk before
+--- 115916499
+>>115914341
+>>115916276
+>Traditional folk
+Don't care
+--- 115916561
+>>115914341
+Me too,I think my band has neofolk as a label on band camp but any good Neofolk Band is going to be based in Traditional European Folk Music anyway.
+--- 115916930
+>>115916499
+Reddit Chungus Taste
+--- 115916940
+>>115916276
+>>115912280
+Bruh I’m a big John Fahey guy and DiJ is one of my favorite bands ever. I can appreciate both genres. It’s not one or the other. I love how peoples’ music taste is informed by fallacious reasoning.

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+--- 115911959
+Absolutely unbearable formulaic crap. It's offensive to the innovative spirit that manifested 90s rock music in the first place and to recreate it almost entirely, in the exact same way, is a repetition that is almost ungodly. It lacks any sort of real spirit.
+--- 115913646
+>>115911959 (OP)
+I just caught their set from yesterday's replay, thought it was an all-female REM cover band. Harmonics were interesting, but all I could hear was Micheal Stipe through a voice changer.
+--- 115913679
+>>115911959 (OP)
+This band is 100% being astroturfed/shilled. 0 hits but you see this stupid picture where they're mimicking Nirvana is everywhere.
+--- 115913727
+All three appear to be afflicted with fetal alcohol syndrome.
+--- 115913767
+If this is the new hype promoted by labels, you realise how desperate the situation is behind the scenes
+--- 115913873
+>>115913727
+the one in the middle enjoys unprotected anal sex with fans
+--- 115913878
+>>115913679
+absolutely, theyre not even trying to hide it
+--- 115913929
+>>115913873
+might be their only redeeming quality if true
+saw them last night and can only describe their music as milquetoast
+--- 115915692
+this feels like something aimed at women even though women hate this kind of music
+--- 115916715
+>>115911959 (OP)
+the fucked up part is, this is probably the best output I have heard from Phoebe and it's still mediocre and totally uninteresting.
+--- 115917229
+>>115913727
+Not really. Common features of people having FAS are a thin upper lip and a flat/smooth philtrum and neither of them have that. While those are only two features and there are many more, I'd say they look pretty normal and don't have FAS.

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+-----
+--- 115912004
+Thoughts?
+--- 115912042
+If you fuck woman with Sabrina's proportions without deep pussy creampie in the end you're a fucking faggot.
+--- 115912067
+>>115912042
+I don't want to breed mulatto babies.
+--- 115912086
+i used to wank over her in the late 1980s and early 90s.
+--- 115912161
+>>115912086
+I still do but I used to too
+--- 115912372
+>>115912004 (OP)
+This kind of "explosive" women have never been my type, I'm into cute and pretty women, not amazonians
+Still Sabrina's better looking when older, honestly WAY hotter than in the 80's
+Whatever the case, she's objectively an unique and beautiful woman, I can understand her sex symbol status, can't say the same about Samantha Fox, such a mediocre looking woman
+--- 115912617
+>>115912004 (OP)
+https://youtu.be/Xv9KP185Eq8?t=6 [Embed]
+--- 115912652
+>>115912004 (OP)
+I've always admired her voice
+--- 115912994
+>>115912652
+I admire her chest voice
+--- 115914422
+>>115912004 (OP)
+>sex
+--- 115917160
+>>115912372
+an amazon acting cute hits every bit as hard as whatever your definition of a cute pretty woman does, if not more
+--- 115917862
+>the music video at the pool
+--- 115917934
+>>115912004 (OP)
+>Thoughts?
+yeah, sexual ones
+--- 115918513
+>>115912507
+We can go bigger.
+--- 115918623
+>>115918513
+>arm hair
+--- 115918787
+>>115912004 (OP)
+Sexo
+--- 115918924
+>>115918623
+Fag.

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+-----
+--- 115912267
+Who the fuck is buying vinyl records?
+--- 115912274
+same kind of people who buy funko pops
+--- 115912277
+The vinyl release is usually the one with the best mastering.
+--- 115912291
+>>115912274
+--- 115912297
+>>115912277
+wouldn't FLAC be better than vinyl for quality
+--- 115912304
+people who want to enjoy a superior sound quality on a physical medium
+tim apple can't remove your ability to listen to your music
+--- 115912308
+>>115912274
+This. There is no point in buying books, music, videogames or movies in 2K23 if you know how tu use internet
+--- 115912309
+durrrrr muh audio quality
+--- 115912326
+>>115912297
+If the FLAC is sourced from a CD with bad mastering, then no.
+--- 115912352
+>>115912304
+>superior sound quality on a physical medium
+99% of vinyl users use shitty Corsley players and only buy vinyls bc they like having a physical copy of their music retard, they listen to it once a month and then use Spotify for the other 30 days of the month
+--- 115912410
+why the fuck did it drop so heavily in the 90s? the internet barely existed then. how were people listening to music?
+--- 115912421
+>>115912410
+cds you brainlet
+Took over starting in the mid 80s
+--- 115912422
+>>115912410
+zoomers never heard about CDs
+--- 115912427
+>>115912297
+Digital lossless release master is either the CD master or the streaming platform source master, which is generally just as bad as the CD master or even worse.
+--- 115912429
+>>115912421
+>>115912422
+you can only play cds in the car, though. so what about when you're at home and want to listen to something?
+--- 115912437
+>>115912277
+In the vast majority of cases, lord no
+--- 115912448
+>>115912429
+get a CD player? lul
+--- 115912456
+>>115912448
+What, just rip it out of a car? Isn't that illegal?
+--- 115912475
+>>115912429
+Dude
+--- 115912485
+>>115912475
+it's a troll ya dummy
+--- 115912502
+>>115912429
+nice troll
+--- 115912508
+>>115912429
+this site truly is dead, glad i stopped coming to this board
+--- 115912525
+>>115912437
+Maybe not recent releases from popular artists with vinyl copies sold at like Target or Urban Outfitters. But discounting that kind of shit, yes absolutely
+--- 115912542
+Advantages of vinyl is the giant album covers look awesome and the limited amount of space prevented artists from going overboard with useless tracks. CDs resulted in every album needing 20 tracks to use all the space at least 15 of which were useless.
+--- 115912560
+>>115912525
+Don't believe for a second that you're getting better quality out of your /mu/core from le totally independent record store and not just a storefront for some megalith distributor who doesn't care their product actively poisons you
+--- 115912567
+Posers mostly
+People who feel cultured for owning Dark Side of the Moon on vinyl, putting it on display and never listening to it.
+--- 115912574
+>>115912560
+What the fuck are you talking about schizo
+--- 115912575
+>>115912574
+Read books
+--- 115912623
+>>115912542
+learn to enjoy music imo
+>>115912560
+just download flacs and invest in good headphones, 10x easier then any vinyl setup
+--- 115912678
+>>115912297
+Yes, but don't tell vinyldupes that. They genuinely believe their clicky and poppy deteriorating wax (sourced from MP3s) sounds better than a perfectly preserved digital master.
+--- 115912952
+>>115912267 (OP)
+Well I'm in my mid 20s and do a fuckton of thrifting but with what I've heard from friends that work at record scores, a LOT of the buyers are teenage girls.
+Hence stuff like 5 different color presses for Taylor Swift.
+>>115912274
+Every single time.
+Like clockwork.
+--- 115913862
+>>115912267 (OP)
+>buy limited release for $25
+>immediately sell on discogs for $60
+Honestly if you don't do this, you're retarded. The bladee drop last week waa the most recent one I did. I don't even do work to find out about these releases, I'm on email lists from shit I ordered in 2018
+--- 115913959
+>>115913862
+scalping is cringe except when you do it with shit like bladee. then it's based.
+--- 115913980
+>>115912274
+> exactly like those cute silly lil bobbly boys
+unironically yes
+--- 115914826
+>>115913862
+Scalping is only possible in the presence of a market failure and those who partake in it are based capitalists
+--- 115914885
+>>115912267 (OP)
+meeeee
+--- 115914890
+picrel: ITT
+--- 115914902
+>>115912267 (OP)
+Me.
+--- 115914906
+>>115912267 (OP)
+I bought them because I liked the giant album art. It's been a while since I've bought one though and even longer since I've used my table. Having to turn records over or switch them on longer albums just got annoying.
+--- 115914912
+>>115912274
+kek
+--- 115914968
+>>115912429
+retard alert??
+--- 115914983
+>>115912274
+lole, lmao even
+>>115914906
+only valid reason
+--- 115915004
+>>115912429
+KEK based bait
+--- 115915016
+>Be me
+>30 years old
+>Live with parents, virgin
+>Own around 2000 CDs and 200 records, almost all music from the 50's/60's/70's
+>Takes up about a third of the wall space in my bedroom
+I enjoy the feeling of ownership, knowing my collection isn't tied to availability on any website. I like the album art on records and the well-researched essays and discographies in CDs. I like the thrill of hunting down hard-to-find albums and the anticipation of getting them sent to me.
+--- 115915060
+>>115912297
+If the music is so dependent on perfect reproduction of every little sound, then maybe it wasn't great music in the first place
+You don't need hi-fi conditions to write a great song and produce a decent rendition of it
+--- 115915066
+>>115912267 (OP)
+Aesthetes. Vinyls look cool. This is the /mu/ variant of
+>why buy a paper book when kindle exists
+Kindle looks like ass. End of.
+--- 115915068
+>>115915016
+To add, I DO NOT collect Funkos but I do have a small Amiibo collection
+--- 115915080
+>>115912308
+I hoard textbooks and omnibus/anthologies of my favorite authors to prepare for the geomagnetic apocalypse
+--- 115915109
+>>115915016
+>>115915068
+You sound like a spoiled faggot.
+--- 115915117
+>>115912267 (OP)
+my nephew is like 22, him and his friends and roommates are all really into vinyl for some reason and they put them all on the walls
+--- 115915128
+i just like having them on my shelf, they look cool
+i also listen to them though and have a dedicated setup for it
+--- 115915134
+>>115912429
+>so what about when you're at home and want to listen to something?
+I go to my car
+--- 115915150
+>>115915109
+To a degree
+--- 115915162
+>>115915150
+At least you admitted it
+--- 115915202
+>>115912308
+There's actually more of a reason to now than ever, because anything online can be changed or removed in any time. There are many albums that were remastered horribly in recent years that you can only listen to the horrible remasters.* I'm talking about things like muting and and erasing parts of songs, adding fadeouts where the song had a conclusive ending, and so on. I'm really glad I own a lot of those albums from before they were ruined.
+*Sorry, English is my first language, but you wouldn't know it from my inability to form a sentence. I think my brain is deteriorating because putting thoughts into words is becoming increasingly challenging for me. Although it's the only language I've ever spoken I feel like I should start researching how to speak English.
+--- 115915259
+>>115915117
+theyre popularity is similar to millenials collecting funko pops or boomers collecting sports cars. pure consoomerism as capitalism has stripped them of all identity beyonf consooming habits
+--- 115915285
+vinyl had a resurgence because of its aesthetic quality. the art and ritual gives it an appeal distinct from a more disposable cd packaging. vinyl is otherwise inconvenient, overpriced, and cumbersome as a format which is why it died the first time
+--- 115915425
+>>115912267 (OP)
+I do 2bh
+mostly because I'm a techno head and lots of releases aren't even available on the internet, just the 12" single
+--- 115915618
+"nigger"
+--- 115915890
+>>115912678
+if your vinyl is clicking and popping you need to either get a new record player or new vinyl
+--- 115915956
+>>115912267 (OP)
+Does this count second hand records? Because that's a huge part of collecting for the format
+--- 115916598
+>>115912456
+--- 115916659
+Me, just bought these
+--- 115916664
+>>115912308
+--- 115916916
+>>115915956
+i think probably not. especially as a large portion is from used record stores and online discogs sales and stuff which i doubt is tracked. id guess 90% of vinyl sales are reselling. i have 1000+ records and ive literally never bought a new record other than directly from an artist. and everyyone else i know with record collections is the same
+--- 115916956
+>>115912267 (OP)
+interesting... i thought it would have been higher in the late 00s... i remember a lot of people talking about how vinyl was making a comeback then... and the whole handlebar mustache, flannel, hipster stereotype and indie sleaze movement at the time held them in a more prominent pop cultural place than i see them as having today
+--- 115916991
+>>115916916
+My collection is at least half new, but that's largely because I live in the middle of nowhere and do all my collecting online.

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+-----
+--- 115912431
+>The Smiths - Barbarism Begins at Home (Instrumental Version)
+--- 115912711
+>Metalica - Orion (Acapella Version)
+--- 115913898
+>>115912431 (OP)
+>(Instrumental Version)
+wtf I love the smiths now
+--- 115916961
+>>115912431 (OP)
+you will never be chad, chud
+--- 115917140
+>>115916961
+>you will never be chad, chud

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+--- 115912586
+>In 2018 West, one of the most over-rated lyricists in the history of rap music, released Ye vs The People in support of the radical right-wing racist president Donald Trump. It was certainly a great way to attract publicity. If his artistic merits were dubious, his skills at generating media attention were undeniable. At the same time he released Lift Yourself that has perhaps his best lyrics ever: Poopy-di scoop / Scoop-diddy-whoop / Whoop-di-scoop-di-poop.
+--- 115912832
+what are his political beliefs? scruffy i mean
+--- 115912847
+>>115912586 (OP)
+Scaruffi has been irrelevant for nearly a decade now
+--- 115912977
+in terms of curatorial task: peel>scaruffi
+--- 115913016
+>>115912977
+It's funny you say that, from what I've seen of Scaruffi he just drones records that Peel was championing in the fucking 1970s and yet this board acts like the former is some sort of tastemaker uncovering rare gems. Fuck I hate /mu/.
+--- 115913094
+>>115912832
+typical california liberal, he has a bunch of ramblings about trump, putin etc on his website
+--- 115913138
+>>115912586 (OP)
+AHAHAHAA EPIC no kys nobody cares about this didnt even read
+--- 115913243
+>>115912832
+>The mural depicts the history of Latin America with all its cultures. The USA is simply a black region. She explained that it means that the USA has no culture, unlike the various regions of Latin America. Needless to say this is a bit puzzling, because the whole of Latin America exported only one thing to the USA: dancing (salsa, tango, etc). On the contrary the USA exported to Latin America just about everything else, from dress codes to technology, from economics to cinema. A lot more USA writers and scientists won Nobel Prizes than the whole of Latin America combined. Every country of Latin America except Cuba has adopted the USA economic model. And today it is the Mexican kids who play hiphop and heavymetal everywhere, not the kids of the USA who play Mexican music.
+--- 115913982
+>>115912832
+depends on who he's trolling that day
+--- 115915861
+>>115912977
+true
+--- 115915920
+>>115913243
+While the USA could claim hiphop as American culture, that wouldn't apply for heavy metal whose roots are more British than American
+--- 115916779
+>>115912832
+All extremely intelligent and extremely unintelligent people are left-of-liberal. Only midwits like Kanye are right wing or conservative
+--- 115916825
+>>115916779
+so scruffy is right wing?
+--- 115916840
+>>115912847
+He's actually been irrelevant for nearly two thousand and twenty four years now.
+--- 115917207
+Reminder that Scaruffi died in 2015, and everything on his site since then has been written by different people.
+--- 115918850
+>>115917207
+proof?

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+-----
+--- 115912753
+Kurt Cobain wasn't talented he was an attractive mentally ill man, and that intrigued people.
+No excuse for bringing the skill involved in popular music to new lows.
+--- 115912819
+its been 20 years and you chimps are still coping, get over it faggot
+--- 115912843
+>>115912753 (OP)
+from what ive read he probably just got loaded on heroin put the gun in his mouth then pulled the trigger when he was nodding off, the person who found him thought he was sleeping except for blood coming out of his ear so the bullet didn't even exit his head, more than likely he was a vegetable with terminal brain damage for a few minutes or hours before his body shut down
+--- 115912858
+>>115912819
+You could replace all the lyrics of his songs with "blah blah" and none of the impact would be lost.
+--- 115912882
+>>115912858
+he was on the right shit at the right time and got lucky, pulled off some catchy tunes then lost it to opiates. once the money started rolling in he forgot how to write "good meaningless" lyrics" probably wouldve trooned out if he lived anyway
+--- 115912893
+>>115912882
+He wrote meaningless lyrics because he was mentally ill, had friends who started a band with him because he was attractive.
+Simple as no talent keep coping Nirvananiggers.
+--- 115912904
+>>115912819
+fpbp
+--- 115912917
+>>115912904
+There's no cope to be had if the quality of popular music can still be recovered.
+Also he's dead, you can't fuck him anymore I don't know why you're mad.
+--- 115912926
+>>115912893
+probably true now that you say it like that lmao no sane person would btfo their vocal cords as much as he did and not end up killing themselves
+--- 115912940
+>>115912917
+go back to your bedroom and have another pepsi, basement dweller
+--- 115912955
+>>115912944
+And who cares? There was no talent involved.
+Kind of like David Bowie, another faggot who sank popular music by being a talentless pretty face.
+--- 115912963
+>>115912944
+in his demos he started with less meaningless lyrics then once he started rehearsing them with the band to play for an audience he rewrote them out of embarrassment
+--- 115912976
+>>115912893
+The lyrics are not meaningless, they're very cryptic.
+To the point that they only fully made sense to his brain, but now there's no brain in Kurt Cobain, so they sound "meaningless".
+If you want some meaning, ask me and I'll illuminate you
+--- 115912983
+lol gtfo queer
+--- 115912985
+>>115912955
+>David Bowie
+>sank popular music
+Nobody in the normiesphere ever heard of Bowie
+--- 115912987
+>>115912976
+>>115912955
+--- 115912991
+>>115912753 (OP)
+He was an annoying faggot but he had an incredible voice. If he was just some guy who pulled out an acoustic guitar at a campfire and starting singing the whole place would be blown away, so you can't say the guy is not talented.
+--- 115912996
+>>115912987
+>>115912985
+--- 115913003
+>>115912985
+It's about the faggotry he started enabling.
+Punk rock, synth and electronic, screamo, etc. It's thanks to numbnuts like him that music topping the charts today is truly devoid of heart or skill.
+--- 115913012
+>>115912991
+>His voice
+Garbage. Once again, people found skill that wasn't there because he was attractive.
+--- 115913066
+>>115912843
+My own personal fanfiction is that it was an assisted suicide. Killing yourself is pretty tricky when you're a high tolerance opiate user. He injected the shit, someone else (the nanny? some other unknown visitor or close friend?) pulled the trigger a few minutes later to make sure he was definitely gone.
+Reality is probably that David Geffen was tired of his shit, Courtney pointed out to him that rock stars are worth more dead than alive and Kurt was ripe for eulogising as the 'voice of a generation', Geffen gave the go ahead, a plan was orchestrated, the Cobain's nanny and Eric Erlanderson were paid to bump him off, and Geffen/Courtney/Grohl/everyone sat back and watched the royalties roll in.
+Erlanderson wrote a creepy poetry collection about Kurt a few years ago, as though the guy was his best mate... very odd. One of many hanger ons Kurt picked up via Courtney
+--- 115913159
+>>115913066
+im pissed off about how he didnt get on the plane to work with stipe cos after his death stipe stopped writing good music
+--- 115913208
+Kurt absolutely had a talent for songwriting. There are millions of pretty boys that try to make it in music, but only one Kurt.
+--- 115913222
+>>115913208
+OK, he also happened to help destroy popular music with his utter trash.
+--- 115913251
+>>115913222
+trips of truth
+I agree he made it look easy with what he did and everyone afterward misinterpreted it and thats why theres only one kurt and countless hacks that came after the fact
+--- 115913324
+>>115913251
+>only one kurt
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjXB8ivmWLs [Embed]
+--- 115913449
+>>115913222
+bro have you listened to that absolute garbage that came out pre 1991? Music was in a sad sad state until nirvana came along and made melody relevant again
+--- 115913470
+>>115912985
+> Nobody in the normiesphere ever heard of Bowie
+Lmao jesus christ. Bowie was a mega pop star in the 70s and 80s, had multiple #1 hits. His Berlin records weren't a massive commercial success but everyone knows Space Oddity, Changes, Ziggy Stardust, Let's Dance
+--- 115913485
+>>115913449
+Nirvana made it worse.
+--- 115913491
+>>115912985
+nah every normie was posting #RIPBOWIE on social media the day he died. they know who he is even if not super familiar with his work
+--- 115913511
+>>115913222
+It's not Nirvana's fault a bunch of buttrock bands tried to superficially emulate their sound without the punk/indie influences that made Nirvana stand out
+--- 115913526
+>>115913511
+It is, I don't think Nirvana was good either.
+--- 115913537
+>>115913526
+Personally I blame Pearl Jam more for the post grunge buttrock stuff, bands like Creed and Nickelback are more reminiscent of them
+--- 115913540
+>>115913485
+yr such a complete faggot.
+--- 115913546
+The entire problem here is "art is subjective".
+It's not. Skill is very much objective, but it hasn't been a concern for music producers since the 60s.
+--- 115913577
+>>115913546
+kurt was objectively a better songwriter than anyone else at the time
+--- 115913589
+>>115913577
+If you're into caveman music.
+--- 115913775
+j mascis is a better guitar player
+alice in chains were a better band
+--- 115913859
+>>115912753 (OP)
+Well OP, why don't you write some songs that can still be a great listen after 30 years.
+And that people can still remember and say: yeah that song really rocked.
+If you can't and won't sell tens of millions doing it, then maybe you're not qualified to pontificate like that.
+Do it first, then talk.
+--- 115914264
+>>115913066
+could have even been whacked by some dealer, i seem to remember reading he wasn't always prompt with payments etc
+regardless, a PI courtney hired to spy on kurt is the one who started the whole murder thing, supposedly because he was going to divorce her and planned to run off with hole's bassist who ended up dead in similar circumstances not long after
+--- 115914360
+>>115914264
+Courtney has been throwing a tantrum about him buying guns for years. She'd find them and throw them out, then they'd have a fight about it. She knew he was mentally unstable and he could crack any moment, go in the garage and spray himself.
+Sometimes things really are the way they seem. But if you're a schizo you can mold reality like plasticine to make it suit your darkest distorted fantasies.
+--- 115914468
+>>115913012
+>Muh looks
+You couldn't even fucking see his face properly on Smells Like video which blew them up
+--- 115914650
+Kurt’s lyrics are meant to intrigue with pained imageries and to have a jagged quality to them like the music
+--- 115914681
+>>115914650
+Yeah they're emotionally impressionistic, which is one reason why Nirvana fascinates zoomies a bit.
+It speaks to their quirky emotional impressionistic zeitgeist
+And that's after 30 years still
+--- 115915312
+>>115912843
+She was actually transgender and shot herself in front of a portrait of what she wanted to look like. Check the diary notes: "I am not a man, let me grow breasts."
+--- 115915345
+>>115912753 (OP)
+He was talented, attractive and mentally ill. He’s just like me.
+--- 115915387
+>>115912940
+He just put The 4-Skins,Boston,Killing Joke,Bad Brains,The Pixies,Celtic Frost,CCR,and maybe like Cheap Trick in a blender and ran with it for a while. Kurt didn't think Nirvana was special either so idk why people still hype it up so much. I guess the number of people who are fans of all of these bands is a pretty small overlap but if you've heard all the shit Kurt namedropped in order it looses the magic pretty quickly.
+--- 115915549
+>>115915345
+Then why are you still here on 4chan?
+--- 115915572
+>>115915312
+with all that money, why not troon out? worked for wendy carlos in the fucking 70s
+--- 115915581
+>>115915549
+That’s because of the mentally ill part. 4chan is used by more than just the dregs of society anyway, imo.
+--- 115915686
+There are many metrics one can use to measure the merits and quality of a band or artist. Skill or technicality is certainly one but it’s not end all, be all. You say new lows were made by nirvana all while talented musicians were starring in shitty hair metal bands like Poison and Motley Crue. Not that punk bands like Sex Pistols didn’t already exist which prioritized melody and spirit over execution. Get over it and realize you live in a world where Kurt Cobain captivated and continues to do so, a generation
+--- 115915748
+>>115915686
+They weren't great songwriters either.
+--- 115915795
+>>115915686
+AiC had a much bigger impact on contemporary bands when you look at ot through a objective lense. If Kurt hadn't died incredibly young he really would have just fallen into obscurity.
+--- 115915910
+>>115915748
+You’re in the minority
+>>115915795
+I have not noticed. I generally see annoying bands and rappers still mention Nirvana or Kurt Cobain as a source of inspiration. I only ever see Aic mentioned in loud-wire type channels, which is pretty sad
+--- 115916150
+>>115915312
+--- 115916153
+>>115914360
+Husbands and wives murder each other all the time, for insurance money, assets, all sorts of reasons.
+Hell, regular people kill friends, colleagues and even strangers for less, and the guy was a multimillionaire with a known suicide complex and drug issues. We don't even know that much about him really, who knows what other enemies he had
+Of course we'll never really know as there's no hardcore evidence/new leads and it was all so long ago... but it's not impossible.
+--- 115916159
+>>115913589
+grew up performing classical. glam rock and 80s pop was for degens with no class and no taste. Nirvana was a common persons reclamation of music of real quality as opposed to the wet dreams of working class slobs
+--- 115916184
+>>115915795
+they influenced those terrible buttrock and numetal bands
+aic is still god tier though
+--- 115916198
+>>115915910
+>I only ever see Aic mentioned in loud-wire type channels, which is pretty sad
+what's sad about it?
+--- 115916199
+>>115916184
+I enjoy some Nu Metal desu but you're not wrong,most bands who were directly inspired by Nirvana were fucking horrible.
+--- 115916238
+>>115915910
+They still get as much classic Rock radio airtime as Nirvana does as does Pearl Jam,although tbf this probably isn't exactly a real measure of relevance anymore,who the fuck actually wants to listen to KISS now?
+--- 115916289
+>>115915910
+A lot of Metal Bands especially Sludge Metal Bands were directly inspired by or started because of AiC. Most of said rappers aren't really that Nirvana inspired and what they present as "Grunfe" Vocals are really more a mix of Nu Metal,Pop-Punk,and Black Metal. He's more remembered for the band logo at this point which isn't uncommon. I imagine Slayer and Joy Divison would loose a lot of fans if people actually listened to their songs and heard what they were singing about lol. You're not wrong about Loud Wire but they just make clickbait videos about anything even veaugly popular so that more means someone will still click on it if anything.
+--- 115916327
+>>115916198
+Call this bias or personal but they remind me of the warped tour era but just with more djenting. It doesn’t strike me as like a legitimate place but on a side note, Code Orange covered down in a hole pretty well
+--- 115916343
+I don't think I'm alone on thinking that Kurt's songwriting style was boring or that he was a terrible vocalist either. Very well known that a lot of his best songs were stolen. Also don't exactly think Rolling Stone is a great measure of relevancy either although I do get what you're saying. Sitting on Nirvana seems to be a rare uniting factor amoung Punks and Classic Rock Fanboys although this is likely more territorial than anything to do with the actual music. I just don't like his voice or guitar work as much as Courtney's or the guy from Akin Yards or Le Ebpic Stone Temple Pogchamps as the kids call them etc etc. He doesn't stand out to me out of a ll those bands really. I'll admit that come as you are is ok but it's not something I would go out of my way to listen to.
+--- 115916400
+>>115915387
+Yeah but the way he did it catapulted his band into mainstream stardom, at least with a few hits.
+None of those bands ever made it higher than an indie chart. Ok maybe Boston breaks the pattern. But the point is most of his influences were from underground music and somehow he managed to polish the turds that came from that scene and turn them into melodies with a mainstream appeal, played with a simple rock instrumentation.
+The thing is that he could do that and still sound fascinating, like there was some secret ingredient that you couldn't put your finger on, which made the whole thing work. But those who copied his simplified poppy rock recipe only got some ridiculous buttrock turds. The secret ingredient was missing.
+--- 115916497
+>>115916400
+Sure but the influence already existed. Plenty of Nu Metla Bands just came directly out of Hardcore or started as PanterA Clones and it would seriously surprise me if Mudvayne hadn't heard any Black Metal at all ever.
+--- 115916520
+>>115916400
+Celtic Frost were super super popular in Europe,tbf though every other Grunge Band also took ques from Celtic Frost except AiC were Candlemass inspired and Starfish are probably inspired by MetallicA as much as I hate to admit it. Thrash Metal was huge in The 80s. I just find Nirvana boring compared to similar bands from the tike and it seems like music would have been a lot cooler had Nirvana NOT introduced some of this stuff to mainstream audiances.
+--- 115916541
+I would rather listen to Tany of the bands that inspired Nirvana (Boston and the other more mainstream ones included) than Nirvana themselves. Nirvana have a very strong best of compilation energy which the hoes might love but will always bore me senseless.
+--- 115916624
+>>115912753 (OP)
+i don't get what you mean
+--- 115916633
+>>115916624
+He's more famous for being mentally ill and shooting himself in the head than for his music,which tbf might be accurate.
+--- 115916963
+>>115912753 (OP)
+Write a song as good as Heart Shaped Box then you can talk shit mate
+--- 115916980
+>>115912858
+lyricsfag cope
+melody chads stay winning
+--- 115917039
+>>115916980
+>lyricsfag cope
+*dylanfags
+--- 115917352
+>>115915387
+oh thats like it and shit? jeez i didnt realize it was so fucking simple
+--- 115917424
+Nirvana were the grunge band with the most artistic credibility and not just a bunch of macho cockrockers and metalheads. They were real authentic punk rockers and involved with the underground. Pearl Jam were into hair metal stadium rock and had their origins in the borderline hair metal Mother Love Bone, AIC started as a hair metal band, Soundgarden had some cred and were local but they didnt have the same balance of pop sensibilities with off kilter influences, they were more jock, more metal less punk. kurt was listening to shit like swans, smithereens, scratch acid, butthole surfers, minutemen, daniel johnston, jesus lizard, dude knew what was up
+--- 115917527
+>>115917424
+soundgarden were pretty punk in the early days. chris listened to bands like the ramones, bauhaus, killing joke, and a lot of the postpunk music that was around in the early 80s.
+--- 115917544
+>>115914264
+uncle ted kozinsky was right
+--- 115917558
+>>115912753 (OP)
+just imagine how pro-vaccine kurt would have been. i bet he'd be like, unless you are quint-vaxed, love trannies and blm dont come to my shows. he'd probably tel people to punch nazis and hang out with anti-fa s oys
+--- 115917583
+>>115917558
+kurt on joe rogan talking about how spotify still sucks cos artists dont get paid much for streaming lol
+--- 115917803
+>>115912753 (OP)
+How many records have you sold?
+--- 115917832
+>>115912819
+>20 years
+--- 115917940
+>>115917424
+you obviously have not heard ultramega ok and screaming life
+--- 115917944
+>>115913003
+let me guess you listen to prog rock and think music should be all about theory, technique, and unusual time signatures. lmao at this absolute fag.
+--- 115917961
+>>115917424
+Generally agree but youre underselling Soundgarden a bit. They werent cockrockers
+--- 115918977
+>>115916150
+The absolute state of modern society
+--- 115919085
+>>115916150
+It’s ironic given how many trannies commit suicide but then, I would imagine they die as well to transphobia according to whatever the fuck that thing is
+--- 115919135
+>>115916150
+kek
+--- 115919145
+>>115916289
+>A lot of Metal Bands were directly inspired by or started because of AiC.
+--- 115919211
+It annoys me that it's so high. Even more than London Calling being up there somehow.
+--- 115919214
+>>115912753 (OP)
+a glam metal vocalist posted this
+--- 115919230
+>>115919211
+im bothered by how many catchy songs are loaded onto nevermind and in such polished production form too
+--- 115919238
+>>115915312
+>>115916150
+Lies upon lies. Why?
+Stop trying to make the dead part of your cult.

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+-----
+--- 115913009
+Claim your favorite Aurora song
+>Churchyard
+--- 115913064
+Exist for love. straight up masterpiece fr
+--- 115913931
+>>115913064
+that song makes me cry every time fr
+i have never known the touch of a woman
+--- 115914098
+>>115913009 (OP)
+It happened quiet is a 10/10 one of my favorite song of all time
+--- 115914134
+>>115913064
+>>115913931
+Was going to say this. Took me by surprise how great that song is. Timeless.
+--- 115914225
+A truly Honest and Wholesome thread.
+https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2MTWu0lNVF4&amp;pp=ygUQQXVyb3JhIG5vcndlZ2lhbg%3D%3D [Embed]
+>>115913064
+One of my all time favorites.
+--- 115916545
+>>115913009 (OP)
+Running With The Wolves
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkkkWcDlW2g [Embed]
+--- 115916576
+>>115913009 (OP)
+Temporary High
+--- 115918843
+>>115916576
+great song
+--- 115919063
+I hate this autistic, smug cunt so fucking much.
+--- 115919084
+>>115913009 (OP)
+Bottles

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+-----
+--- 115913096
+>be me, music theory brainlet
+>want to talk about music theory with people but don't have music autist friends
+>"I know, I'll go to /mu/"
+>its only regurgitated garbage opinion/troll threads, /pol/ retarded bullshit or otherwise inane shit (looking at you scaruffi thread)
+do you people actually even like music what the fuck. how can you live with yourselves being like this
+--- 115913167
+i guess i should've used more buzzwords in my OP to get you fucking mouthrbreathers to respond
+--- 115913355
+>>115913167
+you already said /mu/ is retarded and not the right place to talk about theory (it's true), why do you still want to talk about theory on /mu/?
+why did you go through all the steps of this reasoning and then decided to not act on it?
+--- 115913398
+>>115913355
+i'm not allowed to ventilate anger about the state of /mu/? this place used to be ok, granted a long long long time ago
+--- 115913410
+>>115913398
+>i'm not allowed to ventilate anger about the state of /mu/?
+i thought you wanted to talk about theory
+--- 115913482
+he pissed himself
+--- 115913607
+>>115913096 (OP)
+Have you considered making a thread like
+>does the enharmonic equivalence of the augmented 5th and the minor 6th have any bearing on the tonal use of altered dominant chords in minor keys?
+Instead of
+>why don’t you guys talk about music theory this sucks I hate it here fuck you all
+You haven’t said one single goddamn music theory related thing even as you sit here bitching about the lack of music theory conversation. Try being a part of the solution instead of the problem faggot
+--- 115913668
+>>115913410
+i did, until i witnessed this cesspit of humanity and got angry instead. what's hard to grasp about that?
+>>115913607
+>Try being a part of the solution instead of the problem faggot
+there's no solving the brain damage of the average poster of this board, i just wonder if they are aware and/or have any hopes of ever becoming an individual worthy of living
+--- 115913737
+>>115913096 (OP)
+>troll thread
+yes, this is
+--- 115913784
+>>115913607
+But also, DOES the enharmonic equivalence of the augmented 5th and the minor 6th have any bearing on the tonal use of altered dominant chords in minor keys?
+--- 115915517
+Hi team, i know practically everything about music theory having taken classes in western harmony from counterpoint to 12 tone serialism during my abandoned music degree, and also having taught myself jazz harmony studying all from duke ellington to robert glasper. I also have a very high spacial iq which contributes to my near perfect sense relative pitch. AMA
+--- 115915566
+if you cannot make music without learning music theory first, you'll never be a good musician
+--- 115915979
+Then why are you still here?
+--- 115916599
+>>115913398
+There is a thread like that almost everyday, you are not saying anything new or special
+You are allowed to say that for sure but that's just another kind of garbage content
+--- 115916653
+>>115915517
+Why the fuck would anyone study 12-tone serialism, it's patently obvious Schoenberg was just making up arbitrary rules with no basis in practical experience or observed musicality and nothing the "system" ever produced had any value whatsoever.
+There are lots of approaches to chromaticism and perhaps even atonality that have merit and are deserving of attention, but none of them was arrived at by going "ok guys I made up some fucking music notes sudoku rules for your composition". They were arrived at by doing things that sounded good and that could not be analyzed through a tonal lens and required an atonal lens to understand them, and surprise surprise, 12-tone serialism couldn't do shit to help make heads or tails of how they worked.
+Fuck Schoenberg.
+--- 115916856
+>>115913096 (OP)
+What do you mean? i dont get it
+--- 115916914
+>>115913096 (OP)
+Id like to talk about theory
+I hate it, id rather make something that sounds cool
+--- 115916939
+>>115916653
+>Why the fuck would anyone study 12-tone serialism
+to tell you
+like >>115915517
+my college is full of this kind of dweebs
+--- 115916959
+>>115913096 (OP)
+>"I know, I'll go to /mu/"
+You really are a brainlet
+--- 115916976
+i dont get it
+--- 115917016
+>>115916914
+If I ever teach a music theory class, the first day is just going to be nothing but compositional cliches and shortcuts, because something has to be done about a generation of musicians who learn 1% of existing music theory and go "well since XYZ doesn't fit in that explanation music theory must just be a bunch of bullshit rules that are holding back my art". I understand why a teacher would want to start with very simple shit like "this is how you build up the diatonic chords of a major key and a minor key" but way too many musicians never bother to learn any music theory past about the point of Bach chorales (or the circle of fifths) and think that their limited understanding is the totality of the field of study.
+No, that "thing that sounds cool" that you made is not some utter demolition of hundreds of years of musical scholarship. Yes, it can be explained and formalized. Yes, that formalization will help you understand how it works in context so that you can handle it more easily (e.g. figuring out what notes might go well over top of it, how best to arrange it, or how to utilize it in other contexts). Yes, you could have figured out that "thing that sounds cool" faster and more effectively if you had understood what you were doing from the start.
+--- 115917048
+>>115916653
+12 tone is purposely being agnostic to any tonal implications and treating all 12 western semitones equally. It is doing away with western notions of tonality and key centers, which is really akin to ethnocentrism, national conflicts, racism, etc. Serialism is the musical equivalent of diversity is our strength, and indeed it is, but you seem to think otherwise, chud.
+(Pic related is you, probably)
+--- 115917149
+>>115917016
+no
+cool and tonal are different things, learning by ear is more important than learning theory
+once you know what cool is you then analyze it, otherwise you end un modulating between 35 keys and using extended chords because you were taught that was cool
+I see it happen every single day
+you can explain it but it doesnt mean you get it
+--- 115917167
+>>115917048
+>It is doing away with western notions of tonality and key centers
+Doing away with western notions of tonality and key centers would be composing using Indian scales or something.
+Also I know this is a shitpost, but it's always exhausted me that there really ARE people out there making atonal music. Like, actual music without notes at all, that people ACTUALLY listen to and not just for the purposes of trying to look smarter than their friends. But nobody in music theory academia talks about it and the implications of it.
+As an example, try to transcribe this shit to staff paper:
+https://youtu.be/_kDL90ao-0I?t=61 [Embed]
+A generation of "atonalists" and "musique concrete" composers were desperately trying to force some sort of "revelation" in this direction and failed utterly because they weren't starting from the place all actual musicianship starts from: listening critically, and analyzing what works and what doesn't. Atonality is actually HERE, between EDM and rap there's a wealth of music that completely eschews any meaningful concepts of melody or harmonic relationship and defies being described meaningfully with sets of notes.
+But do "Composition 404: Atonality" courses explain concepts like risers and impacts, subbass impulse trains, using broad pitch bends for timbral effect, or building melodic contour from broadband spectral response?
+No, they teach "use all 12 chromatic notes and then flip them backwards and also flip them upside down and play them together. This is musical scholarship because a dude who wrote music for chamber orchestras made it"
+--- 115917186
+>>115917048
+>ethnocentrism
+why does music attract so many low IQ elitist
+12 tone is retarded, its an idea worth exploring like once in the history of music. anymore and you are being retaded and derivative
+--- 115917201
+>>115917167
+>https://youtu.be/_kDL90ao-0I?t=61 [Embed]
+based af
+--- 115917358
+>>115917167
+Academia in general is mostly grift, the issues you describe here likely have some analogy in other fields as well. Probably worse in music since there arent life or death consequences if you teach the students bullshit. But it depends and the college and the professor, im sure there are people who write about what youre talking about.
+On the other hand, music is so decentralized now and the lineage of western classical music has sort of disintegrated so it's not clear what should get the spotlight. Plus a lot of the music that people make is not thought through so much as it's the product of conumer technology, like what cool sounds can i make with this gadget made in china. Idk
+--- 115917398
+>>115917201
+>>115917167
+Music in the key of I dare you to try to tell me:
+https://youtu.be/RCqyIT8KXYM?t=84 [Embed]
+And if you were to go to a room full of "smart music people" and profess your love for this you'd probably get a smug comment about how modern dubstep butchers the work of pioneers like Burial.
+It's wild to me that in the year 2023, all the tasteless kids are rocking out to atonal rhythmic noise, and all the "musical intelligentsia" are listening to the simplest compositions imaginable, and somehow looking down their noses about it.
+Imagine you could tell THAT to Arnold Schoenberg
+>yeah in the future atonal music is actually a popular music trend but all the renowned composers of the day think it's for illiterate retards
+--- 115917523
+>>115917398
+>4/4 time signature
+>every musical motif repeats 4 or 8 times
+>thoughtless simplistic back beat pattern, bares little relation to the other musical elements, could be replaced by any similar beat and work just as well
+>similar sounding distorted textures throughought
+>relies entirely proprietary sofware, can not be practically conceptualized and replicated outside of that
+--- 115917540
+what?
+--- 115917611
+>>115917523
+Exactly so. And I don't dispute a word of it. The point is, no fucking notes.
+And it's worth noting it's not just one song that's like that, it's the entire genre. The entire genre is 4/4 at the same tempo with almost identical back beats throughout, the same call-response structure over 4 or 8 bars, the same atonal riser with accelerated percussion to build tension that "resolves", the same way a G7 resolves to a C, by reduction to a single evolving timbral idea.
+That's something interesting, academically. That's the creation of musical tension and release WITHOUT concepts like consonance and dissonance, and the creation of musical interest and memorability WITHOUT concepts like syncopation or melodic contour. It's literally just "build noise tension, release noise tension" and "this song is defined by this particular sound design".
+I could identify most of the songs played in
+https://youtu.be/Kf4vuurAZeI?t=162 [Embed]
+by the timbre of the lead bass part alone. Which is the only thing that changes (apart from the pre-drop samples)
+If you want to have a real conversation about atonality as it applies to composition and music theory, this is the music you need to be starting with.
+--- 115917645
+>>115913096 (OP)
+>/pol/ retarded bullshit
+just shot yourself in the foot troon. i went to school for music performance and composition and would have been happy to talk shop if you weren't a bleeding heart homosexual.
+--- 115917886
+>>115917523
+exquisite bait
+imagine having this opinion and then sharing it
+--- 115917970
+>>115917523
+>4/4 time signature and this is a BAD thing
+>every musical motif repeats 4 or 8 times which are even numbers, CRINGE
+>thoughtless simplistic back beat pattern?? bares little relation to the other musical elements???, could be replaced by any similar beat and work just as well??????? but it isnt so?
+>similar sounding distorted textures throughought and distorsion makes my ears hurt :(
+>relies entirely proprietary sofware, can not be practically conceptualized and replicated outside of that and this is a bad thing for several reasons like I am a boomer

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+-----
+--- 115913110
+>It Takes a Lot to Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry
+--- 115913117
+Changing of the Guards.
+--- 115913128
+>>115913110 (OP)
+Desolation Row
+--- 115913148
+>>115913110 (OP)
+Mama, You Been on My Mind
+--- 115913188
+>>115913110 (OP)
+Standing in the doorway.
+--- 115913203
+>>115913110 (OP)
+gimme Isis
+--- 115913244
+i love simple fun shit. I Want You
+--- 115913280
+>>115913110 (OP)
+quinn the eskimo
+https://youtu.be/-UwMvE-rdZw [Embed]
+--- 115913315
+>>115913110 (OP)
+Rock Me Mamma
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNTsYfjBcuQ [Embed]
+--- 115913443
+Why is Bob Dylan so special, bros? It seems like his music goes straight to your soul. You don’t feel the same with any other artist.
+--- 115913532
+She Belongs to Me
+--- 115913545
+>>115913110 (OP)
+Abandoned Love
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svXNd-q1Afc [Embed]
+shoulda left Joey off Desire and put this on instead
+--- 115913715
+One of us must know
+--- 115913766
+Simple Twist of Fate
+--- 115913951
+Sara
+--- 115913968
+>>115913117
+Ma nigga
+>>115913110 (OP)
+Kino title bros
+>>115913128
+Fun
+>>115913203
+Fuck you
+>>115913532
+Chad pick
+>>115913715
+>>115913766
+Love
+I will take Romance in Durango for 500, alex
+--- 115914289
+Visions of Johanna
+--- 115914473
+Where Are You Tonight? (Journey Through Dark Heat)
+--- 115914492
+It's alright ma I'm only bleeding
+--- 115914678
+60s: It's Alright Ma I'm Only Bleeding
+70s: If You See Her Say Hello
+80s: Don' Fall Apart on Me Tonight
+90s: Standing in the Doorway
+00s: Ain't Talkin'
+10s: Pay in Blood
+20s: I've Made Up My Mind to Give Myself to You
+--- 115914713
+>>115914678
+You greedy fucker. It says claim A Dylan song not 7
+--- 115914725
+>>115914713
+In all fairness who could pick just one
+--- 115914763
+>>115914725
+Valid
+--- 115915190
+>>115913110 (OP)
+Lay lady lay
+--- 115915205
+FOREVER YOUUUUUUUUUUUNG
+--- 115915315
+Buckets of Rain
+--- 115915348
+>>115913110 (OP)
+>claim a dylan song
+you mean take one back
+--- 115915380
+>>115915348
+you can take it but you have to bring it all back home
+--- 115915914
+>>115914289
+you fucker
+--- 115915966
+It’s All Over Now, Baby Blue
+--- 115916311
+>>115913110 (OP)
+Mr. Tambourine Man
+--- 115916350
+Summer of Love
+--- 115916354
+>>115913110 (OP)
+Lay lady lay
+>>115915190
+Nice
+--- 115916550
+>>115916354
+I'd put you on by big brass bed
+--- 115916568
+Ballad of a Thin Man
+--- 115917080
+Watchtower
+--- 115917120
+This Wheel's On Fire
+--- 115917122
+stuck inside of mobile
+--- 115917142
+>>115913110 (OP)
+115th dream
+--- 115917389
+>>115913244
+Fuck. Beat me to it.
+>>115915315
+Aww, I wanted that one too.
+Well, You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go it is then.
+--- 115917414
+>>115913110 (OP)
+>Claim a Dylan song

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+-----
+--- 115913185
+What's your favorite piece of his?
+--- 115913318
+>>115913185 (OP)
+Parsifal.
+/thread
+--- 115913357
+>>115913318
+what a shit opinion. obviously the ring cycle is the only correct answer
+--- 115913409
+i don't listen to ersatz nazi cringe
+--- 115913509
+>>115913318
+fippy bippy
+--- 115913514
+was it kino?
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVK-suz93cU [Embed]
+--- 115913552
+>>115913514
+yes. Wagner unironically invented the concept of kino
+--- 115913575
+>>115913409
+>muh fuckin nazis!!!
+Go back you massive faggot, Wagner was literally in an era before "nazi" was even a term.
+>>115913185 (OP)
+Lohengrin - Prelude
+--- 115913674
+>>115913318
+This.
+--- 115913732
+>>115913185 (OP)
+That last note here by Flagstad might be the absolute peak of western music
+https://youtu.be/SQO7QIgNvA0?t=1006 [Embed]
+--- 115914198
+>>115913514
+I hate how videos always cut off the opening portion of the verwandlungsmusik, it sounds so good, especially this little detail:
+https://youtu.be/upb3XVmsHDA?t=3832 [Embed]
+--- 115914298
+Gotterdammerung Siegfried Rhine Journey, Tanhauser Overture, Rienzi Overture, Lohengrin Bridal Chorus etc. Also The Flying Dutchman Sailers Chorus is great as well.
+--- 115914451
+>>115913185 (OP)
+Das Rheingold.
+--- 115914476
+Träume
+--- 115914587
+>>115914476
+For me it's Im Treibhaus and Schmerzen.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbPuEMqbIA8 [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Mfys4aMRQ [Embed]
+--- 115914601
+>i don't listen to ersatz nazi cringe
+--- 115914656
+>>115914587
+we need go thiccer
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXibwAMhlJs [Embed]
+--- 115914702
+>>115914656
+Nilsson must be the end of the line right?
+--- 115915731
+>>115914587
+>>115914656
+based Wesendonck enjoyers
+--- 115915811
+>>115913185 (OP)
+I'm not good at naming off pieces but I have enjoyed his music previously. Joseph Haydn,Fredrick Handel,and Pfitzner also.
+--- 115916032
+>>115913409
+>>115913575
+>>115914601
+He likely wasn't le literally a nazi but pretty obvious Wagner was at least slightly Antisemetic,great composer regardless but it is what it is.
+--- 115917630
+>>115916032
+Wagner never said a single antisemitic thing in his life.
+--- 115918042
+>>115916032
+Yes, and he was based.
+>>115917630
+Pic related
+--- 115918077
+>>115913185 (OP)
+For me, Siegfried's Funeral March and Idyll
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a53s4jyCqqU [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=891JUSQplzU&amp;t=9s [Embed]
+--- 115918438
+>>115918042
+Nothing antisemitic in it.

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+-----
+--- 115913195
+fresh cringe from Coachella
+>“I don’t know if you’ve been checking the news and seeing what’s been going on in Florida and Missouri and some of the other places, but trans lives matter, trans kids matter,” Dacus said. “We’re gonna fight it. We love you.” Bridgers added: “And abortion rocks. And fuck Ron DeSantis.”
+--- 115913285
+>>115913195 (OP)
+>“Abortion rocks”
+If this bitch loves pills so much why is she so fat still?
+--- 115913294
+>>115913195 (OP)
+>literal who troons say some dumb troon shit
+more news at 11
+--- 115913303
+>>115913195 (OP)
+>the smug, the dwarf, and the oaf
+--- 115913353
+>>115913195 (OP)
+>trans lives matter, trans kids matter,” Dacus said. “We’re gonna fight it. We love you.”
+That's fine. It's eloquent and tactful.
+>and abortion rocks
+God damn it
+--- 115913363
+You guys are such losers it's unreal
+--- 115913367
+>>115913195 (OP)
+Meme music
+--- 115913374
+>>115913363
+you have a penis and will always be a man
+--- 115913385
+>>115913195 (OP)
+>And abortion rocks
+Isn't Julie a christian?
+--- 115913430
+>>115913385
+probably one of those tiktok church Christians
+--- 115913465
+>>115913195 (OP)
+Why are there 3 guitars? Are you telling me this isn't actually a proper band? Tragically soulless
+--- 115913682
+>>115913430
+What an equally blasphemic depiction of Christ.
+--- 115913707
+>>115913682
+you are retarded if you think chuds are actually religious. at most they are intetested in the lore of a given religion
+--- 115913735
+>>115913707
+I'm super Christian, but I'm not sure if I'm a "chud." What makes someone a chud?
+--- 115913772
+>>115913374
+Yes that's true
+--- 115913773
+>>115913195 (OP)
+more mid white woman pseudo-folk minivan music shilled by corporations. this band is irrelevant to anyone who isnt a white woman in american college town that wears denim jackets, pretends to smoke cigarettes for "aesthetics" and identifies as pansexual.
+--- 115913803
+>>115913735
+Chuds are against socialism, don't believe in trans or queer rights, think women should stay at home and raise kids, support gun rights, etc. Basically they are pieces of shit.
+--- 115913836
+>>115913803
+Cool, guess I am one then, and I will make it my goal to make your existence and people like you's existence a living hell
+--- 115913850
+>>115913836
+How will you do that?
+--- 115913852
+>>115913195 (OP)
+i don't see what's cringe about this? i don't even like boygenius but they're right
+>>115913363
+100%
+--- 115913856
+>>115913195 (OP)
+>coachella
+Its 2023, grandpa.
+--- 115913857
+>>115913850
+saying nigger on the internet
+--- 115913867
+>>115913195 (OP)
+>And abortion rocks.
+I'm a big abortion enthusiast and I still cringed
+--- 115913890
+I want Phoebe to have my abortion
+--- 115913901
+I am an abortion and I still cringed
+--- 115913915
+I survived an abortion attempt on my life and I cringed so hard I died of an abortion
+--- 115913916
+I want to be phoebes abortion
+--- 115913920
+>>115913867
+isn't the pro-abortion side always saying
+>no one LIKES abortions! no one is happy about abortions! we just want them to be available for emergencies
+then they turn around and say
+>abortion rocks!!!
+--- 115913926
+the ogre on the right looks like she could abort an adult
+--- 115913942
+>>115913920
+Kind of a dumb thing to say but women don't have abortions for fun. I assumed she meant the idea of having that option available and safe is what rocks.
+--- 115913950
+Honestly I think it's a pretty complex issue. It's certainly easier to transition if you start at a young age, but it also makes irreversible changes to your body that you may regret. Is that a freedom we should give to young children with still developing brains? How can you be so sure of such a big decision when you're 12, or younger even? How much of it is projection onto kids by zealous parents, and perhaps not even what the kid would really decide for themselves. It is really tough because I do believe it would improve some people's lives to help them transition earlier and more effectively, it just gets really muddy when you bring kids AND elective surgery in the mix. Like, kids can't even get tattoos in the US and that's WAY less impactful than gender reassignment or even just hormone treatment. I really don't know what the best way to legislate this would be.
+--- 115913966
+>>115913950
+>Is that a freedom we should give to young children with still developing brains
+The answer is obviously no, otherwise you would need to start questioning other age restriction laws
+--- 115914080
+>>115913950
+>it's a pretty complex issue
+No, it's not. Sterilizing kids before they can develop the biological and psychological drives to reproduce under the false pretense of providing them woth freedom of choice is morally wrong.
+--- 115914128
+>>115913950
+nope. who is saying they are in a wrong body or sex or gender? the kids themselves? no, the activists. investigate the activists and theyre all pedo-phile, they seem very -morbidly- interested in child things, diapers, you name it. they wanna 'save' the kids (that arent even theirs) from a doomed future by applying irreversible chemical processes to them, because they know thats better for them, classic communist "savior" psyop: they know whats better for the dumb masses, and your kid too.
+--- 115914137
+>>115913735
+Chuds are the opposite of humans being bros.
+--- 115914143
+>>115913950
+Transitioning doesn't improve anyone's life. I'm sorry you've been lied to, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart, but what are you going to do once you hit your 30s, 40s, 50s? This madness has to stop now, and I hope you wake up before it's too late (for you, I don't really care too much in the end)
+--- 115914165
+>>115913850
+just voting conservative mexicans that will be X1000 harder on your degenerate ass than any recuckblican ever was, historically.
+--- 115914172
+>>115913950
+I'm not against transgenderism if the person is 18 or over and understands the consequences of the decision, but it definitely is not something an underdeveloped mind would have the capacity to understand or should have the authority to determine. They don't let teenage boys get prescribed steroids (which is really providing extra testosterone, so hormonal treatment), so why should they let them be prescribed female hormones? It's reckless and harmful
+--- 115914181
+>>115913920
+don't take it so literally, you don't actually think she's telling people to fuck DeSantis do you?
+--- 115914188
+if browsing the fag board has taught me anything is that trooning is 100% a form of schizophrenia, but since we have become very lax about mental illnesses lately, this isnt addressed or named or detected, but its all it is.
+--- 115914262
+>>115914128
+it's becoming super cultish.
+There's been a big problem lately with the trans community telling kids as young as 12 that their parents are abusive because they won't let them transition.
+It reminds me of the US cults that showed up around the hippie movement
+>your family is abusive. they don't understand. Come join us. We're your family now.
+--- 115914310
+>>115914143
+The whole reason this is a question to begin with is that if you start transitioning when you're like 6, you can basically become indistinguishable from your intended sex, and this is essentially the goal for anybody who is transitioning. So yeah, there is a reason to consider this given that it's a time sensitive thing and in theory a trans person who transitioned in childhood may live a much happier, more fulfilling life because of this, opposed to someone who transitions as an adult. This constitutes an argument in favor as an appeal to utilitarianism. There are of course problems as previously stated, but if you can't see both sides then you are lost in the clouds of your own dogma.
+--- 115914364
+>>115914310
+why should we allow 6 year old kids to make life changing decisions about their body and identity?
+--- 115914374
+>>115914310
+it's unreal that you have a morality derrived rom pornography
+--- 115914378
+the trannies are propped up because any group with a narrative and practices that erode the nuclear family will. its needed for the "great reset".
+--- 115914392
+>>115914310
+Do you think 6 year olds actually suffer from gender dysphoria
+--- 115914394
+>>115914262
+itll end violently, theres no other realistic outcome to it.
+--- 115914406
+>>115914364
+Exactly, that's why it's such a hard question imo. Because when that hypothetical kid turns 25, you have no clue whether they'd say 'I really wish I had been able to do that' or 'I really regret doing this'
+--- 115914409
+>>115914310
+So what age should a child have a decision on whether they'd like to be killed?
+--- 115914434
+>>115914409
+Mmmm I'm gonna say 10, nice round number
+--- 115914477
+>>115914406
+>hard question
+no such hard question here. its a pretty clear issue. children have no autonomy on their body, or sex, or making a bussiness, or signing a contract, or voting, because theyre still developing. you agree to one of that and need to make them full abled citizens at 5yo, with everything that entails.
+--- 115914506
+>>115914310
+>if you start transitioning when you're like 6, you can basically become indistinguishable from your intended sex
+No. No, you cannot. Maybe on pictures after careful appliance of makeup and choosing a good angle, but in real life, mostly anyone can tell. And even if they somehow couldn't, that's still only the case when you're young. Anyone's days of passing are over once they're in their late 30's.
+--- 115914522
+>>115913363
+Not really, I’m pretty successful and fulfilled m8
+--- 115914560
+>>115914394
+I'm looking forward to the detransition wave a decade or so from now when most troons in my generation realise that their ideology is a lie and they made an irremediable mistake.
+--- 115914576
+>>115913735
+'Chud' is the anti-chad. Take everything that makes someone a chad, like being attractive or more relatably human, and the opposite of all those things makes a chud.
+--- 115914590
+>>115914506
+Yeah but what other decision can you only make as a kid that literally the time limit will expire as soon as you go through puberty?
+--- 115914593
+>>115913363
+I've actually never lost before
+--- 115914611
+>>115914576
+but I've heard people call Henry Cavill a chud and he is clearly a Chad
+--- 115914614
+>>115914560
+the poor fuckers will realize they were just used by Obama/Soros as a weapon
+--- 115914629
+>>115913950
+The trans kids thing is a front for paedophilia, if kids can consent to being a tranny they can consent to "other" things. So the argument will go..
+--- 115914630
+>>115914394
+This. Keep in mind a majority of trannies are "incel"-adjacent. There'll be a ton of mass shootings and mass murders (think families, etc.)
+--- 115914660
+>>115914611
+Then they've used the term erroneously or are attempting to pervert the actual meaning.
+--- 115914730
+>>115914310
+>basically become indistinguishable from your intended sex
+So, a girl will being producing sperm now that's she's transitioned to boy? And the boy will have a functioning womb?
+Oh wait, they won't. Because they'll never go through puberty, leaving them with shriveled useless genitals and no sex drive.
+Oh, and to add a whole new layer of irony -- since the boy's penis won't grow he won't enough material to construct a neovagina. So he won't even get to have the open wound he needs to dilate with a dildo for two hours every day.
+Everything about transgenderism is monstrous. Pediatric transgenderism is fucking Satanic.
+I am telling you this as a gay male, we're not going to let you do this shit. We won't let you abuse children and drag LGB people down with you into your Hell.
+What troons need is 500mg of thorazine and an extended stay in a mental hospital.
+--- 115914821
+dont mind me, just posting transgender things
+--- 115914865
+>>115913195 (OP)
+Based mu. Never change mu, never change.
+--- 115914911
+>>115914821
+interesting, thanks for posting
+--- 115914925
+>>115914821
+God I hate this AGP weasel
+--- 115915028
+>>115914821
+Its Chud light guy!
+--- 115915411
+>>115914730
+simple as
+--- 115915505
+>>115914821
+God had the opportunity to put his body into shock and let him drown and He didn't. What the fuck man.
+--- 115916875
+>>115914172
+Yeah this. I’m very pro-trans, but I cannot take trans activists seriously when they say that adolescents should undergo hormone replacement therapy because “puberty sucks”. If you wanna transition, you gotta at least love it out first before messing with your hormones like that. In that sense, you’d know whether or not it is a phase. It really sucks that the pro-trans side is not acting rationally and not addressing severe moral repercussions seriously because all it’s doing is just enforcing others’ transphobia. If the trans activists are promoting dumb shit, then you’re going to think that trannies are mentally I’ll with an IQ 20 points substandard to a cisgendered person. It’s really sad, but that’s the problem of being on Tumblr echo chambers. Any actual wisdom from the academics who are supposedly indoctrinating our kids gets thrown out the fucking window (no one reads primary sources on this anymore. Judith Butler is actually pretty based in her takedown of idpol and political correctness), so people just argue from their convictions, which doesn’t do anyone good.
+--- 115916883
+>>115914821
+I hate this new Aphex Twin video
+--- 115916885
+I'm sure Ron is shaking in his boots and is rewriting all the laws right now.
+>ph*Ebe br*Dgers
+--- 115916934
+lol corny woke leftshits
+--- 115916954
+I think it's cringier to take away people's human rights
+--- 115916957
+Honestly, I kinda miss the days where music artists said the worst shit ever and no one bothered to hold them accountable because they know they were talking out of their asses. We need someone like Lou Reed back in the music scene, but someone like that would be cancelled today.
+--- 115916975
+>>115916954
+I agree, but Bridger’s political messaging is superficial. If anything I’d be more based if she said “I support aborting babies with firearms” or “down with the neoliberal petty bourgeoisie” (the latter wouldn’t happen because she is one of them).
+--- 115917006
+>>115913353
+>It's eloquent
+it's actually not eloquent at all
+>and tactful
+wrong again
+--- 115917028
+>>115913363
+who. the ones who are for or against child abuse?
+--- 115917050
+>>115914310
+You're a monster. Please kill yourself.
+--- 115917058
+>>115917028
+No one is for child abuse, you paleocon. You do realize the LGBT community out groomers, right? If you browse through gay Twitter, you’d know this! I guguest stop watching Fox News and meet new people.
+--- 115917089
+>>115913920
+>isn't the pro-abortion side always saying "no one LIKES abortions! no one is happy about abortions! we just want them to be available for emergencies"
+that hasn't been the pro-abortion stance for probably a decade
+--- 115917106
+>>115913836
+That’s not very Christlike of you. I suggest that you sell your possessions and squat on your neighbor’s house for a month. That’s what Christian’s immediately after Christ’s death did. Progressive Christians are closer to the actual spirit of Christ than fundamentalists are since despite not being completely in agreement with the teaching of the Bible, they attempt to replicate Christ’s actions and words. I’ve been raised by Evangelicals all my life, and I will say that from studying Gnosticism, Neoplatonism, and other esoteric occult ideologies that Christianity in it’s current form is paganized Judaism. If you wanna follow Christ, why not try feeding the homeless.
+--- 115917127
+>>115917089
+I’m pro-choice, and I even think this is ridiculous. I understand than in many circumstances (especially those where giving childbirth will actually kill the mother), and abortion may be a necessary procedure. But don’t treat it as it is some minuscule thing. You need to take it a little bit seriously
+--- 115917134
+>>115917058
+>No one is for child abuse
+people are for "trans kids" and "transing kids", so, yes they are for child abuse. it doesn't matter that they don't think it's child abuse.
+and I don't watch any corporate news.
+--- 115917141
+>>115915505
+How the fuck have the mods not deleted this thread yet? It's not even about music.
+--- 115917166
+>>115916975
+Bro if you were a popular musician and you said either of those things on stage I would shoot you myself
+--- 115917176
+>>115916975
+>neoliberal petty bourgeoisie
+the problem is that no one in her audience can spell, pronounce, or define any of those words.
+--- 115917190
+>>115917166
+Lol I wanna see you try.
+>>115917134
+Bait and switch. We’re talking about grooming and you’re switching the topic to kids transitioning. If you want my honest opinion about that, read >>115916875
+--- 115917203
+>>115917006
+Just because you disagree with the message doesn't mean it was presented in a poor manner.
+--- 115917238
+>>115917134
+> and I don't watch any corporate news
+Neither do I, but unlike you, I scout out reliable sources instead of making shit up. It seems more convenient to do the latter these days because it’s hard to trust anything in this post-truth society. It seems that everyone skews the facts to their point of view.
+--- 115917250
+>>115917190
+NTA, but you were the one to mention "grooming" first, you retard.
+--- 115917258
+>>115913950
+if 12 year olds can't consent to sex why are they able to consent to getting pumped with hormones and getting their genitals mutilated?
+--- 115917269
+>>115917238
+>I scout out reliable sources
+Such as?
+>instead of making shit up
+What did he make up?
+--- 115917317
+>>115917141
+kill yourself trannoid, you will never EVER become a woman and you will always be an ugly obese fat troll
+--- 115917331
+>>115917250
+Well, I apologize, because that’s what I thought you meant initially by “child abuse” because I already gave my opinion on children transitioning and I didn’t make any judgment of that being child abuse because I don’t know if it is or not. It depends on the child. If only you had any trans people as friends like I do. Sure, I think that their promotion of Marxist-Leninism is fucking retarded, but don’t you think gender dysphoria is a little more complicated than “children transitioning”
+Like I said, and if you read my original comment, I think people transiting under 18 is risky, but calling it “abusive” is a little absurd since the youngest adolescent on hormones is 15. It can be abusive if it’s forced by parents on little children, but there is no evidence of children under that age on hormones, so at least be intellectually honest before yelling “child abuse” like a fucking idiot.
+Unless if you have a credible source of this happening, then I’m happy to be proven wrong.
+--- 115917345
+cant spell phoebe without hoe
+hoe be
+she be a hoe
+--- 115917373
+>>115917269
+>such as
+Good point. In this post-truth age, one can argue that no sources are reliable anymore. If anything, to be honest here, I scout out the most centrist-leaning political sources like NPR (>inb4 government funded propaganda they don’t slant heavily either direction), and use my innert sense of skepticism to determine what is true or not, depending on my own experiences. All I can say is /pol/ is NOT a reliable source.
+Well, I mean many of the stories of young children transitioning are literal fabrications if you look into the history.
+--- 115917402
+The reason I side with trannies over those who hate them is because seeing people pretend like they care about children as a talking point against someone makes me sick. Nobody who's cherrypicking articles about drag storytime or kids being ""encouraged"" to transition really gives a fuck. There's no effort towards public education reform. Foster care reform. School lunch reform. Gun violence prevention. Standardized testing and the lack of teacher-to-student involvement.
+None of these clowns give a fuck about any of those other issues, so I discard their rambles about how trannies are "grooming" their kids despite national television programs presenting disgusting child pageants as wholesome entertainment for much longer.
+Trannies are mentally ill, but at the very least they're sincere. I'll always hear them out over the grifters ITT.
+--- 115917408
+>armchair radical delivers ice cold, pandering takes to crowd of thousands that paid to see them
+Courageous, heroic
+--- 115917411
+>protect trans kids
+more like VEGAN CATS amirite
+--- 115917423
+is it bridgers with a hard r?
+--- 115917442
+>>115913195 (OP)
+phoebe bridgers for senate 2024
+--- 115917460
+>>115917402
+Based take. I honestly cannot fucking stand the Republican Party at this point. Even as someone who grew up in a house of firearm owners and was taught trigger discipline at an early age, I’m disgusted by how the NRA doesn’t give a shit about gun safety or any means of responsible gun ownership and lobbies for the status who and by proxy supports the rights of school shooters. It’s really fucked. And thanks for pointing out that none of these people actually care about children, but are only using them for their own political ends. It would be amazing if conservatives cared about education reform that was actually about objectivity and not about being against teachers educating children on ideas only taught in university.
+--- 115917485
+>>115914522
+well you're posting on 4chan so something's gone horribly wrong
+--- 115917491
+>>115913285
+>>115913294
+>>115913303
+>>115913353
+>>115913374
+>>115917411
+>>115917423
+>>115917402
+ >>115913195 (OP)
+Trumpfags vote against their own economic interests
+--- 115917492
+>>115917331
+Again, I'm not that anon. But to answer your questions
+>but don’t you think gender dysphoria is a little more complicated than “children transitioning”
+This is just nonsense. Suffering from gender dysphoria doesn't inherently involve children, but if a child suffers from it, they're encouraged to transition, so I don't even understand the point of this post.
+>risky, but calling it “abusive” is a little absurd since the youngest adolescent on hormones is 15. It can be abusive if it’s forced by parents on little children, but there is no evidence of children under that age on hormones, so at least be intellectually honest before yelling “child abuse” like a fucking idiot.
+This is just false. Children are given puberty blockers as young as 8, and the guidelines encourage hormone use at age 14 (doctors can prescribe them earlier though, as seen here)
+https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30783983
+--- 115917536
+>>115917492
+I checked out your source and the youngest I could find is 13. I think that’s still a little too young imo, but it’s a far cry from 8. I guess my point about the gender dysphoria thing is that there seems to be this idea that people are forcing others to transition, and in some communities (especially on Tumblr) that is true, but again, it’s not true for everyone. I guess it only involves children because everyone else wants to make it involve children. Conservatives using children to bash trannies, etc.
+I appreciate your response than from the other anon chud. ;)
+--- 115917537
+>>115917317
+I fucking hate trannies but that doesn't mean I want to read you pol fuck faces shitting up this board when it's supposed to be about music
+--- 115917549
+>>115917537
+This. Trumpfags vote against their own economic interests
+--- 115917570
+>>115917549
+Isn’t is amazing how a center-left con man manipulated the lowest common denominator Americans into voting for him and forever radicalized a center-right political party into being paleocons?
+--- 115917578
+>>115917570
+you're not gonna like this, but he's winning again in 2024.
+--- 115917588
+>>115917536
+>I think that’s still a little too young imo
+Anything below 18 is a "ittle too young", freak
+>but it’s a far cry from 8.
+Learn to read, retard. The guidelines call for puberty blockers to begin at 8, which is incredibly damaging.
+https://apnews.com/article/gender-transition-treatment-guidelines-9dbe54f670a3a0f5f2831c2bf14f9bbb
+>that people are forcing others to transition
+Quite literally yes. A minor has no way of getting on puberty blockers or hormone replacement absent of coercion my parents and or medical officials.
+--- 115917589
+>>115917570
+> trump
+> center left
+Holy Copeamole. Dude gave billionaires biggest tax cuts in history
+--- 115917620
+>>115917578
+I'll be impressed. The first US president to lead the country from a prison cell.
+--- 115917626
+bitches think they are Kurt Cobain, also this is the most retarded political argument above, "YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF FUCKING SLAVES" - Jim Morrison, simple as.
+--- 115917629
+>>115917491
+>>115917549
+the majority of people say their economic situation under Biden is worse off than under Trump
+--- 115917637
+>>115917620
+he won't see the inside of a cell, and it's incredibly sad that the US has stooped to what is typically behavior exhibited by third-world shitholes, which is imprisoning political opponents
+--- 115917648
+>>115917629
+>Biden takes office in 2021
+>Smack dab in the middle of the pandemic
+Those are the same retards that blamed Obama for the 2008 recession. They don't consider the factors behind their situation. They only go "Durr, my money's bad and shit's hard. But he's prezidunt rite now! Is his fault!"
+--- 115917655
+>>115917629
+False. I got bigger raises under Biden
+--- 115917656
+>>115917460
+>I’m disgusted by how the NRA doesn’t give a shit about gun safety or any means of responsible gun ownership
+Please post examples of them opposing gun safety or responsible gun ownership.
+>supports the rights of school shooters
+How does the NRA support the rights of school shooters?
+>cared about education reform
+Reform in what way?
+--- 115917688
+>>115917648
+This. Trumpfags vote against their own economic interests. Inflation was caused by trumps administration
+--- 115917695
+>>115917589
+Trump was a registered Democrat for most of his entire life. I don’t think any of the Reagan-nite policies he did were from a place of honesty.
+>>115917588
+If you even bothered to read my original opinion of transition, you would know that I think 18 should be minimum age one can transition. Also, just because medical officials allow puberty blockers to children as young as 8, does that mean that there are recorded cases of such? No. The youngest case is still 13.
+I’m actually trying to be nice to you when discussing this, so the fact that you insult me makes me sad.
+--- 115917697
+>>115917655
+you realize thats unrelated to overall economic progress right? "Oh hey, thousands are starving, but I got a raise".
+--- 115917730
+>>115917656
+The NRA constantly lobbies for anti-gun control measures immediately after any mass shooting occurs in the United States. Every time there is a mass shooting, one of the first things you hear on the news is the NRA lobbying against national gun reform.
+As for education, it seems that conservatives are trying to remove any instance of mentioning anything LGBT in the classroom instead of trying to
+--- 115917737
+>>115917697
+Biden inherited a massive train-wreck of an economy left by Drumpf
+--- 115917740
+>>115917730
+…improve academic standards to be comparable to the rest of the industrialized world.
+--- 115917746
+>>115917695
+You don't understand the difference between puberty blockers and hormone therapy because you're a retard. Puberty blockers are given to people as young as 8 all of the time. The hormone therapy is what's used on teenagers after their puberty's been delayed, which is typically in the early teen age range.
+--- 115917756
+>>115913195 (OP)
+>simps of /mu/: phoebe bridgers is /ourgi-
+NOOOO!!!!! NOT MY HECKING PHOEBE!!!
+--- 115917775
+>>115917730
+>The NRA constantly lobbies for anti-gun control measures immediately after any mass shooting occurs in the United States. Every time there is a mass shooting, one of the first things you hear on the news is the NRA lobbying against national gun reform.
+Wanting to legally follow the Second Amendment isn't calling for people to not be responsible gun owners.
+>As for education, it seems that conservatives are trying to remove any instance of mentioning anything LGBT in the classroom instead of trying to
+So your idea of "education reform" is literally the promotion of LGBT ideology in the classroom? I figured as much.
+--- 115917786
+>>115917746
+>my fetish is okay and should be forced on children because it's medically necessary for a tiny minority with severe disorders
+no
+--- 115917807
+>this whole thread
+kek way to go op you fucking dropkicked the tranny hive
+--- 115917809
+>>115917746
+Puberty blockers and hormone therapy perform the same purpose, so even though they utilize completely different means, they’re identical in my mind.
+PLEASE STOP CALLING ME A RETARD, I’M PURSUING A M.S. IN PHYSICS. Just because I was ignorant at the type between the precise differences between puberty blockers and hormone therapy doesn’t mean that I’m stupid. Fuck you!
+--- 115917813
+Phoebe Bridgers is a prime example of what Mark Fisher called “capitalist realism” in music: a bland and conformist style that accepts the limits and logic of the neoliberal system and offers no alternative vision or challenge. Bridgers’ songs are full of clichés and platitudes that reflect the individualized and depoliticized worldview of the millennial generation, who have grown up in a world where there is no alternative to capitalism and where social movements and collective action are seen as futile or irrelevant. Bridgers’ music is also heavily sponsored and promoted by Apple, one of the most powerful and exploitative corporations in the world, which uses her as a tool to sell its products and to create a false image of diversity and creativity. Bridgers’ music is not indie rock, but corporate rock: a commodified and sanitized version of a genre that once had some subversive and rebellious potential. Bridgers’ music is not art, but propaganda: a way of reinforcing the status quo and pacifying the masses.
+--- 115917814
+>>115917807
+Why are chudfags so obsessed with kiddie genitals?!
+--- 115917833
+>>115917814
+>no u
+LMAO!
+--- 115917834
+>>115917648
+>>Smack dab in the middle of the pandemic
+Not really. The worst of the pandemic was over by then.
+>Those are the same retards that blamed Obama for the 2008 recession
+Nobody blamed Obama for the 2008 recession, it predated him. People just criticized his response.
+>>115917655
+Inflation has outpaced wage growth in most industries.
+>>115917688
+This is false. You can argue both are culpable for spending big, but Trump did so to save the economy, which was successful, whereas things like the American Rescue Plan were incredibly inflationary and pointless. Biden spent just as much in his first year as Trump did in 2020.
+>>115917737
+Not really. Trump ensured the recession lasted only 2 months, oversaw the quickest recovery ever and America under him declined the least GDP wise in 2020 than every major economy other than China.
+--- 115917842
+>>115917775
+I want the NRA to openly condemn mass shooters and still support 2nd Amendment rights. If you knew anything about me, I would want all resentment-based progressive ideologies out of the fucking classroom! What I mean by education reform is to improve math and science to be compare to that of India: a third-world country who has people more educated in physics than the average American. I like all the assumptions you make about me lmao.
+--- 115917851
+>>115917485
+Fucking lol I’ve been posting on 4chan for half of my life, if you think that precludes success you need to go outside. Most people don’t fit into nice, simple categories, though if you post on Twitter all day I’m sure you think that’s the case.
+--- 115917861
+>>115917834
+Here’s an idea: how about stop giving the president credit for how the economy goes. It is much more complicated than what executive control could govern (the government can’t control markets; only support it via fiscal and monetary policy).
+--- 115917875
+>>115917809
+>Puberty blockers and hormone therapy perform the same purpose, so even though they utilize completely different means, they’re identical in my mind.
+Then if you thought they were the same, you'd know (puberty blockers) "hormone replacement" is frequently used on children under 13/14, retard.
+--- 115917879
+>>115917851
+Everyone on this retarded thread needs to go outside. That dude is not the only one lmao.
+--- 115917908
+red states are leeches and a drain on the country
+--- 115917913
+>>115917875
+Yeah, I checked your claims even further about puberty blockers, just to see if there’s some truth. And apparently, people only prescribe puberty blockers to young children if they’re experiencing precocious puberty, which is what happens when children go through puberty early (which seems to be happening a lot in this society). So, you’re right about children having them at age 8, but are wrong that they’re being used for forcing children to transition.
+Who’s the retard now?
+--- 115917968
+>>115917842
+>I want the NRA to openly condemn mass shooters and still support 2nd Amendment rights
+They do this all of the time. It's you who is making the false equivocation between supporting gun rights and supporting mass shootings.
+>is to improve math and science to be compare to that of India: a third-world country who has people more educated in physics than the average American. I like all the assumptions you make about me lmao.
+And the GOP position is for schools to focus more on actual education, such as reading, math and science instead of gender ideology. DeSantis, who this thread's partially about, his increased funding for both schools and teachers in Florida.
+>>115917861
+No, just because people misrepresent the data sometimes doesn't mean presidents aren't responsible for the economy. Somebody like FDR or Trump, for instance, are presidents who inherited bad recessions and whose policies objectively ended them and allowed for growth. There was no justification for Biden's massive spending his first year in office, which he knew would be inflationary and for his administration to completely lie about it (it's only transitory, guys, I swear!)
+--- 115918021
+>>115917913
+>And apparently, people only prescribe puberty blockers to young children if they’re experiencing precocious puberty
+This isn't true. Just because puberty blockers still occasionally serve their originally intended purpose, doesn't mean transgender-related puberty blocking doesn't occur and is recommended by the medical community, as I showed you earlier. In the very same BBC article, it talks about how the doctor delayed the boy's puberty before putting him on hormone therapy
+>"When I was little I always said I'm a girl. I look like a girl. My heart is a girl heart," says 13-year-old Zoey, who was born a boy but who now identifies as a girl. Her doctor blocked her puberty and then prescribed cross-sex hormones to allow her to develop as a female.
+--- 115918022
+>>115917968
+Trump inherited a prosperous economy from Obama lmao
+--- 115918028
+>>115917968
+First of all, fuck Joe Biden! Second of all, who was responsible for the 2008 recession? Bush or Obama? People argue either or, but some argue that it was actually Bill Clinton because of his policies deregulating the housing market. The point is that while cases like Woodrow Wilson and FDR, the executive branch had a clear overreach over planning the market, in most cases it’s much more complicated than that. There are a lot of systematic factors from policies built up from previous presidents. For example, Trump’s travel plan was initially an Obama policy. It’s not an economic example, but it shows how nuanced the system really is.
+Also, give me one example of an NRA lobbyist condemning mass shootings in good faith. I’d love to see you try.
+--- 115918083
+>>115918022
+The Obama economy was middling, and I'm referring to the COVID recession.
+>>115918028
+>Second of all, who was responsible for the 2008 recession?
+It was mostly Clinton, but also partially Bush for continuing the loaning policies.
+>The point is that while cases like Woodrow Wilson and FDR, the executive branch had a clear overreach over planning the market
+This wasn't really true until the wartime economies. FDR ended the worst of the Great Depression before then.
+>Also, give me one example of an NRA lobbyist condemning mass shootings in good faith. I’d love to see you try.
+https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/05/republicans-guns-bump-stocks-las-vegas-shooting
+--- 115918090
+>>115918021
+Look, here’s the thing you fucking bigot. I don’t support using puberty blockers for nothing but their intended person and I don’t think that hormone replacement therapy shouldn’t be prescribed to people over the age of 18 and all of this is making trannies look stupid. But y’know what, I’m still gonna support their rights. You may have won the argument, but you haven’t changed my mind, so fuck you!
+--- 115918108
+repukelishits are so insufferable now how radically far right they keep going . 2024 won’t be kind to them thankfully
+--- 115918112
+Phoebe Bridgers is a typical product of the culture industry: a standardized and interchangeable commodity that serves the interests of the dominant ideology and the capitalist system.
+--- 115918137
+>>115914310
+>if you start transitioning when you're like 6, you can basically become indistinguishable from your intended sex
+you will pass much better but you will never have a properly functioning body or genitalia
+a boy that transitions to become a woman will never know what it feels like to be pregnant or give birth
+a girl that transitions to become a man will still be small short and weak compared to a biological man, and have a barely functioning pseudopenis
+and both will have more and more problems as they age and it gets more difficult to pass
+--- 115918145
+>>115918083
+>mostly Clinton
+…pretty based opinion ngl
+Also, Woodrow Wilson created the United States Railroad Association (USRA) to standardize the construction of steam locomotives in America, so if anything, he was a proto-FDR imo.
+>Las Vegas shooting
+Sorta weird the NRA advocates for bump stock regulations on what is arguable a psy-op from the government. I’d wish I’d see more of this in school shootings, but if it’s in a gun-loving state like Nevada, I guess I might as well just to tell the CIA to go fuck themselves.
+--- 115918166
+>>115918145
+>Also, Woodrow Wilson created the United States Railroad Association (USRA) to standardize the construction of steam locomotives in America, so if anything, he was a proto-FDR imo.
+Sure, but like i said, that was because of the war effort.
+--- 115918189
+>>115918166
+Same with FDR, but in his case, his policies pre-dated the war effort, so I guess he doubly-counts
+--- 115918191
+>>115918090
+>umm heck u
+this is the thing you see a lot. the reason this will solve only by extreme violence. both parts are adamant and wont cede a milimeter. one part wont because it has the reason and this gone out of control decades ago, the other because its their political ground and whole identity, and without that they have nothing, sadly they have been weaponized, their whole lives have been, but political forces that dont give a fuck about them, ultimately.
+>>115918137
+"youngshits" as they call early transitioners look strange, like overgrown kids. old trooners are hotter anyway.
+--- 115918260
+Do you think they get told to say shit like this just so people will talk about it Twitter and suddenly Boygenius starts trending? Look how many replies this thread got already. All they have to do is mention two divisive topics in the news and 150+ mad replies on a dead 4chan board.
+--- 115918286
+>>115918191
+Believe or not, I actually agree with this, but I’m under a lot of stress right now and I got accidentally drugged with meth 6 days ago (my research advisor is a meth addict who puts it in his coffee and I saw crystals drying in the fridge and that meth/solvent solution got on my hands and I washed it off like a dumbass), so I’m experiencing a lot of cognitive fatigue right now and I’m trying to learn to understand what I believe in since my parents think I’m a sociopath who doesn’t have an innate moral compass (I’m raised by Evangelicals btw). So, I completely apologize if I fell victim to the behavior you’re criticizing, because I’d make the exact same criticism. But it is 4chan after all, so it gives all of us more of an incentive to talk shit no matter what lmao.
+--- 115918390
+>>115913707
+>if you think chuds are actually religious
+Oh, like you? That’s fucking rich lol
+--- 115918437
+>>115913363
+based us
+--- 115918469
+did she actually say "abortion rocks?" the set is still available on the youtube stream if someone wants to confirm
+--- 115918471
+>>115918191
+Again, sorry about the last part. I just got too fed up to have this conversation. I have a very good friend who is transgender and I love her to death, even though I find the tranny ideology retarded as hell.
+--- 115918515
+>>115913195 (OP)
+Those are the worst fitting suits I've ever seen lmao
+--- 115918538
+>>115917834
+They won't listen to reason, don't waste your time dude.
+--- 115918543
+>>115917737
+jesus christ you call him drumpf, listen I dont like Trump either as an Anarchist, but you realize hes a symptom of the system itself and not a flash in the pan. The reason people support Trump is due to the fact the system is so blatantly corrupt and evil they turn to Hero worship, the establishment sends a fake to tame the masses and boom. Trump was never an outsider, even during 2012 with him basically fighting Ron Paul, someone who actually wanted to create systemic changes (even if I dont agree with it 100% as an Agorist/Market Anarchist). Trump literally was the same politically, no different than any other Neoliberal. Now Ron Paul is out, his son has no chance of winning due to the Culture War and how the Culture War is perceived to be more dominant than State Power, etc. Fuck his son was prolly the most Pro-BLM/Police Reform Senator and he still got shouted at with "Say Her Name" when it was in the bill. The State promotes Clown World bros, take the Agorist pill and Ride the States collapse all the while forming Anarchist Market Co-Operatives.
+--- 115918560
+Listen up yall if it werent for abortion ya girl wouldnt be up here on this stage
+--- 115918565
+>>115918543
+Based and libertarianpilled
+--- 115918573
+>>115913195 (OP)
+"Abortion Rocks"
+Is this a coded way to say Total Nigger Death?
+--- 115918583
+>>115917058
+>You do realize the LGBT community out groomers
+You are psychotic if you think they do anything other than gaslight anyone who notices it’s literally an integral part of the gay identity. Fags molest kids and those kids grow up to be fags and the cycle repeats.
+--- 115918610
+>>115918573
+No it’s a liner to make the Chuds seethe with rage. It’s funny to show how manufactured the far right culture is
+--- 115918617
+>>115918565
+actually an Agorist/Anarchist, but I like Libertarians. They just need to realize that in a truly Free Markets, Co-Operatives would be dominant and Capitalism would naturally collapse, once they get that idea in their heads, with them 100%. Still like em either ways, granted I also like Ancoms, Anti-Government people in general.
+--- 115918622
+>>115918583
+Well, it seems that you don’t frequently the LGBT side of the internet that much. Regarding transgenderism, sure, they’re fucking idiots and they have no idea how to actually address legitimate mora concerns because their hormones are making them too emotional. But I assure you, most gays, lesbians, and bisexuals are surprisingly sane people.
+--- 115918646
+>>115918617
+The hard part is telling them what “capitalism” is. To libertarians “capitalism” is defined by the market alone and is independent from the state, whereas socialists like Karl Marx include the state in their definition of socialism. Convincing ancaps of that is just talking right past them.
+--- 115918656
+>>115918610
+How do you reconcile this with the fact that the overwhelming majority of abortions are nigger babies? Supporting abortion is overtly racist.
+--- 115918666
+>>115918646
+What libertarians get massively wrong is there is always central planning going on in the markets . Free markets is a complete myth
+--- 115918668
+>>115918617
+Also, it’s great see some respect from the libertarian left to the libertarian right. I wish ancaps weren’t so concerned about hating commies all the time to actually listen to you guys and realize you both want similar things.
+--- 115918683
+>>115918610
+yuppers and it's definitely just them too and not you or this whole fucking thing haha wahoo eighth season of this btw
+--- 115918698
+>>115918666
+Agreed, but libertarians will say that “no market is ever free” because of that and still advocate for one anyone if the stage is eliminated. You can’t get past those kind of mental gymnastics.
+--- 115918701
+>>115918469
+watching now. 30 minutes to go, havent heard it yet
+--- 115918704
+>>115918646
+As a former Ancap, I suggest C4SS/Gary Chartier as a source. Markets, Not Capitalism is a wonderful read.
+--- 115918707
+>>115913195 (OP)
+racist cunt
+--- 115918725
+>>115918704
+I’ll definitely look into Chartier. I’ve been a fan of Proudhon for a while, but he seems like the next step.
+--- 115918732
+>>115918668
+tbf I am not an Ancom, I would say I am closest to a Mutualist. But still, we are all united against the same enemy, and all of our ideologies allow the ability for independent economic communities, so why are we so vehemently against each other. Purely stupid, I sorta blame the Marxists cause as much as I like Ancoms, they always stupidly simp for Marxism historically and still. Workingmans Association, Ukraine, CNT-FAI, etc. Marxism and Anarchism cant work together at all imo.
+--- 115918752
+>>115918666
+obviously, all business in themselves centrally plan, and for trade there has to be a level of central planning, think of Road Companies and where to build Roads, however we can democratize them through Co-Operatives so that the most amount of people can have a say in it over a few people.
+--- 115918768
+>>115918725
+if I had to rank my influences
+1. Konkin 2. Stirner 3. Proudhon 4. Chartier 5. Spooner. Chartier basically pushes Proudhon a bit right, with him believing in Private Property, however the function of the society is the same.
+--- 115918780
+>>115913195 (OP)
+>fresh cringe from Coachella
+--- 115918782
+>>115918732
+Yeah I like Kropotkin and Proudhon, but I always found Marx to be overrated. The Communist Manifesto, while an excellent breakdown of the bureaucratic superstructure of corporations and big business, feels morally immature and the concept of a Proxy state only creates authoritarian regimes in practice. Critique of the Gotha Program seems interesting, but I think Nietzsche sorta demolished that premise by saying that that sort of society is prone to mob rule. I think the left need to focus on thinkers like Proudhon and Kropotkin and less on people like Marx. I even like Sorel more than Marx because at least he recognizes how much Marx’s dialectic is such a distortion of Hegel’s, despite his support of fascism later in his life. Bakunin seems insane to me.
+--- 115918796
+>>115918768
+>Max Stirner
+based Stirner fan! He is the basis of my moral philosophy.
+--- 115918820
+>>115918701
+>>115918469
+oh god there it is. she actually said it. what a literal retard.
+--- 115918870
+>>115918782
+you wont find me disagreeing lol. Fascism vs Marxism is a Civil War on who will take Hegel's anti Liberal crown. Fuck, we even had Gramsci and Mussolini in the press arguing who was more subversive. Marxism and Fascism are mirrors of each other, and the only reason they are supposedly against each other is they disagree on what collective is more important, Nation or Class. I think Proudhon wont be accepted by the Left desu, he was way to opposed to Marx/Communism and can be slandered easily. While Marx was an open Antisemite with "The Jewish Question", Proudhon had passages in his diaries which were Antisemitic, however never released. Marxists love to talk about Proudhons antisemitism, but always ignore Marxs. Kropotkin is the best gateway imo, granted Breadtube mightve hijacked his image lol. I doubt any of them have read Kropotkin, its literally called Breadtube, but they only talk Marx.
+--- 115918879
+>>115918820
+she looks like that bitch in the ghostbusters remake or the one in marvel avengers i dont remember
+--- 115918904
+>>115918796
+Same here, Stirner is easily my favorite philosopher, basically becoming an Anti-Hegel all the while not bowing down to Liberalism. While Hegel was all about Collective Force and Historical Inevitability, Stirner's Egoism basically takes a shit on it. Even Marx tried to debunk him in "The German Philosopher" and failed. Thanks Saint Max, really cool.
+--- 115918938
+>>115918904
+Yeah, Stirner and Nietzsche are my go tos for moral philosophy. Even though Nietzsche gets a little too reactionary for my tastes at times, I cannot help but notice he makes some very valid points about society and philosophy even when defending his contrarian opinions.
+--- 115918957
+>>115918870
+I know Vaush is a self described “left libertarian” so I think he’s the closest in Breadtube we get to an actual mutualist.
+--- 115918989
+>>115913195 (OP)
+as a member of the lgbtq community i gotta be real i absolutely STAN phoebe bridgers she is my everything she fucking slays such a goddess in every way realest there is
+--- 115919023
+>>115914560
+>>115914630
+>inb4 neither of these things happen
+--- 115919047
+>>115918957
+Oh I disagree, he calls himself that, but his beliefs do not reflect that. When hes mask off, I would call him a Dengist, heres a clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncs6XjkvpFs [Embed] literally what China is doing.
+--- 115919052
+>>115919023
+We already have a small number of detransititoners out there. I don’t think there will be a big wave or anything, but they exist.
+--- 115919170
+>>115919047
+Yeah, that’s what a lot of people Vaush is secretly a tankie, so I’m surprised by that opinion. The only thing that he says is anything mutualist is his belief in worker’s co-ops, be he always seemed a little too aggressive in promoting his ideology to be anything libertarian.

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+-----
+--- 115913289
+thoughts on his first live performance ever? I thought he killed it.
+https://www.youtube.com/live/wbZ9rP74cRE
+you can find the performance -8hours after the labyrinth set. Or wait till the replay later.
+--- 115913400
+>>115913289 (OP)
+That was far from how I imagined his performance in my head as his music is full of youthful energy. Yet it was somehow intriguing, pure and a bit bizarre. Pretty good.
+--- 115913469
+>>115913289 (OP)
+Did he finally overcome his crippling social anxiety?
+--- 115913554
+>>115913469
+Just in time to perform as a fat, unkempt, tired-sounding musician.
+--- 115913572
+>>115913400
+one of the biggest what if's in music. his sound translated well onto the stage was something so nostalgic about his sound like synthpop of the 80's with heavy funk.
+>>115913469
+It almost didn't happen apparently he had an anxiety attack before his set and almost cancelled.
+--- 115913909
+>>115913554
+Just in time to be criticised by a fat, unkempt, tired-sounding /mu/ poster
+--- 115914003
+>>115913909
+We eat our own round these parts
+--- 115914090
+>>115913289 (OP)
+Listening to Jasmine now. This song is just a jewel, but it never got its deserved spotlight. His voice is not very strong and gets drown out in the instrumentation. You can tell he's a perfectionist and try-hards so much to hit the notes right but he doesn't have a strong vocal delivery. His songs are very difficult to sing though.
+Str8 Outta Mumbai is a bit better, fewer high notes. But still, yeah, he's not a great singer. He hits the notes right but his voice doesn't carry well.
+He should have duo'd with some great singer and he'd get a lot more audience for his stuff.
+He does a very sophisticated and lush kind of funk/r&amp;b/pop blend with a retro 80s/early 90s vibe.
+--- 115914287
+>>115913289 (OP)
+Is it genuinely his first stage performance ever or he did clubs before?
+--- 115914854
+>>115914287
+nope, first time ever. here’s to hoping we actually start hearing music from him again too. could be wishful thinking though. he released leak 04-13 on vinyl recently which was a shitshow but at least proves he’s making moves again
+--- 115914937
+It's crazy that any musician is able to become even slightly well-known just by releasing albums and not ever playing live. It kind of gives you hope, but I'm sure it's a one-in-a-million type situation.
+--- 115915364
+is he Indian, pakistani or what
+--- 115915406
+>>115914854
+Why was the reissue a shitshow? It sold out
+--- 115915455
+>>115913289 (OP)
+watching replay now I'm almost in tears, literally never believed this day would come. could not make it out because of work but if he does a show anywhere in a 500km radius of my city i will drag whoever I can to buy as many tickets as possible
+>>115914090
+he should have duo'd with his brother, would suck dick to see them perform on stage together
+--- 115915471
+>>115913289 (OP)
+fuck off shill
+--- 115915487
+>>115913289 (OP)
+One of the better performances... Actually really impressed
+--- 115915665
+>>115915455
+OH FUCK NEVERMIND HE'S RIGHT THERE LMFAO
+and they're singing some new shit??? its in fucking indian or something!?!??!
+--- 115916066
+>>115915665
+it's beautiful
+--- 115916436
+>>115916066
+cant wait for it to get put uploaded to streaming in 3 years time!
+--- 115916456
+>>115913289 (OP)
+jai and ak are so cute, based indian bros
+--- 115917553
+>>115913289 (OP)
+Killed it, one of the few this year. But boy did he hit the wall hard.
+--- 115918159
+>>115913289 (OP)
+its making me so happy
+its excelent
+--- 115919273
+>>115915406
+because the way they released it was on a buggy overdesigned website that couldn’t handle all the traffic and 502’d for most people trying to access.

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+--- 115913495
+Departing... from my Is Land edition
+prev: >>115881713 →
+>THE LATEST IN POP MUSIC
+Lana Del Rey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v97sQcKuH5o&amp;list=PLxA687tYuMWjEjznYhiZcc8WJKl5a1_Yx [Embed]
+Rosalia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXQQAsIhHMw [Embed]
+Babymetal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_MJW4T6VyU [Embed]
+Demi Lovato: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP0CB_2QjGo [Embed]
+Rina Sawayama: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbzlg80p5L8 [Embed]
+Melanie Martinez: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4P79X-urLM&amp;list=PLxA687tYuMWiqTPpxzKTY__YBRxtdMQzc [Embed]
+Phoebe Bridgers w/ boygenius: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfHpKnzGnnQ&amp;list=PLt-s_Y_vRuW2RwpW7mp9-CEflf4Q5o1p2 [Embed]
+Jessie Ware and Pabblo Vittar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOqU2Ngawz0 [Embed]
+Billie Eilish and Labrinth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuaF9u8SYAs [Embed]
+Poppy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvDd8XnECEg [Embed]
+Caroline Polachek: https://youtu.be/pmxqAjh3WIY [Embed]
+Nicki Minaj &amp; Ice Spice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMq-I0dejjE [Embed]
+Jesy Nelson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIldn2GuTqk [Embed]
+Announcements:
+1) Don't worry, it's just fiction.
+2) We just talk about pop music and flirt with each other.
+3) We don't hate pop stars. We just hate the posters.
+4) Tayzos just like fucking innocent cats
+5) I love her!
+6) We engage in a moderate amount of tomfoolery.
+7) Everyone is gay on /wpop/, even the straights.
+8)/wpop/ has found no link between itself and posts made of shit
+--- 115913503
+good 'chella outfit y/n?
+--- 115913510
+>>115913503
+boobs
+--- 115913536
+>>115913503
+she looks like she'd be a nice wife
+--- 115913578
+I had a dream about Aurora last night and she naked in my house
+--- 115913587
+>>115913578
+scariest nightmare i could ever imagine
+--- 115913601
+>>115913587
+It was. She peed on my couch and wouldn't stop farting.
+--- 115913610
+>>115913601
+disgusting
+--- 115913826
+>>115913503
+i should finish that madison beer pmv i was workign on
+--- 115913832
+milwaukee whiskey
+--- 115913917
+>>115913536
+This. I love trad women.
+--- 115913989
+I need to impregnate Hayley
+--- 115913993
+>>115913826
+provide an overall gestalt
+--- 115914032
+>>115914025
+I say this all the time when trying take a shit. Is that bad?
+--- 115914204
+>>115913993
+it's the baby mv
+--- 115914211
+*violin plays*
+mmm mmm mmm
+BABY
+--- 115914248
+GOOD MORNING WARRIORS!!!
+--- 115914274
+>>115914204
+what porn are you adding
+--- 115914275
+post choli butt
+--- 115914296
+>>115914274
+whatever clips i find the hottest
+--- 115914355
+>>115914248
+Aurora doesn't know it yet but she needs my cum inside of her
+--- 115914456
+>>115913578
+>she naked in my house
+do bonobos dream? i doubt it.
+--- 115914467
+>>115913503
+sex
+--- 115914482
+>>115914467
+she looks like if Victoria Justice was a gigastacy, I love it
+--- 115914499
+>>115914467
+with madison?
+--- 115914511
+>>115914482
+god i love gigastacys
+>>115914499
+yes
+--- 115914537
+>>115914511
+how can such things be accomplished?
+--- 115914550
+>>115914537
+just be yourself
+--- 115914577
+>>115914550
+been doing that for 29 years and the only place it has got me to is here
+--- 115914703
+>>115914577
+you just need to be goofy but you have to be careful because the line between cringe and goofy is very thin
+--- 115914718
+>>115914703
+hyuck
+--- 115914753
+>>115914703
+This. I’m just a fun and cleaver drunk and the ladies like that. I’m also white and not a fatso which is a plus.
+--- 115915175
+The wonderful TayTay has scoured deep within the monastery's catacombs, and through the power of her great intellect, has found the location of the highly kept secret (sparkling armor) needed to complete her quest, to finally end this nightmare, by vanquishing Baal from this peaceful realm: https://youtu.be/b7QlX3yR2xs [Embed]
+--- 115915184
+The wonderful TayTay
+--- 115915224
+>>115913503
+Mogged
+--- 115915262
+Stop advertising for multinational Zionist corporations, chud. No one here actually gives a flying heck about Tayler Swift or her handler Antonoff.
+--- 115915374
+>>115915184
+I Lover
+--- 115915657
+eh eh eks see eks
+CHARLI!
+--- 115915829
+cause baby now we got Bad Blood
+--- 115915833
+you know we used to be Mad Love
+--- 115915846
+So take a look what you've done
+--- 115915928
+>>115915374
+Who doesn't? Even the barbarians of the north praise this Amazonian princess for defeating Shenk the Overseer as he commanded the bombardment of Harragoth in the Bloody Foothills below Mount Arreat will Baal took safety from her, for she is: the Lightbringer: https://youtu.be/8KpKc3C9V3w [Embed]
+--- 115916250
+>>115916123
+>SNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIF
+--- 115916291
+Most streamed female albums on Spotify
+• Dua Lipa
+• Dua Lipa
+• Billie Eilish
+• Olivia Rodrigo
+• Billie Eilish
+• Ariana Grande
+--- 115916318
+>>115916291
+YUH YUH
+--- 115916392
+>>115916291
+i can't listen to ariana anymore because of how she looks now
+--- 115916399
+>>115916392
+If you don't like her you're an incel
+--- 115916422
+>>115916392
+>can't into ED kino
+--- 115916469
+Talic the Defender, Madawc the Guardian, and Korlic the Protector have been defeated, and practically nothing stands in TayTay's way, of bringing justice and order to the land, for surely, the labyrinth that is the Worldstone Keep, will be easily navigated to where Baal cowered away to once he caught wind of lavender in the air: https://youtu.be/xTXsKMXUi7w [Embed]
+--- 115916785
+i love her
+--- 115916891
+TayTay's belt is lined with lavender haze potions, and will make quick work of Baal's minions in the Throne of Destruction: https://youtu.be/h8DLofLM7No [Embed]
+--- 115916935
+>>115916469
+>>115916891
+What’s this? Off topic and unwholesome posts? I thought you’d have learned your lesson by now!
+--- 115917088
+>>115916972
+She did it! All hail: Queen TayTay the Lightbringer: https://youtu.be/kPIdRJlzERo [Embed]
+--- 115917095
+All hail Queen TayTay
+All hail Queen TayTay
+--- 115917105
+Glad you could make it, Taylor.
+--- 115917366
+no anon, I would most certainly not fuck a dog for KO.
+kek
+--- 115917376
+grandma's talking weird again
+--- 115917378
+let's eat grandma
+--- 115917465
+Love me harder do be kinda slappin tho
+--- 115917530
+I prefer Love Me desu
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2i9TCymUG4 [Embed]
+--- 115917716
+>>115917530
+pretty smooth. Lights looks great in that video.
+Cheers based lightsposter
+--- 115917952
+immanabreakayaface
+--- 115917958
+why did she break that face?
+--- 115918133
+now you geddit
+--- 115918310
+When did Marina's balls stop itching?
+--- 115918459
+>>115918310
+When she put em on MBs face
+--- 115918687
+The only balls AP is gonna get are Tyrones and LaQuarius' right before she sits on those ebony meatsnakes and gets her womb filled with that yoruba yogurt!
+--- 115918814
+Implying she doesn't make the wogs hang onto the wing like that in real life
+I mean
+it isn't like they're going to let go
+they have to serve drinks!
+think of the responsibility!

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+--- 115913576
+>What music do I listen to?
+>Heh, anything but country!
+--- 115915891
+>>115913576 (OP)
+And rap/hiphop
+--- 115915907
+>>115913576 (OP)
+Fuck you zoomer.
+Verification not required.
+--- 115915997
+>>115915891
+this. it's rap and country. Anything but rap and country, you big fart
+--- 115916040
+>What music do I listen to?
+>Heh, exclusively country!
+--- 115918299
+>>115916040
+Genres:Rap Rock,Country,Post-Dubstep,True Norwegian Black Metal,Trap,Metalcore,Emo,NYHC
+--- 115918309
+>>115915891
+that's not music though op was right
+--- 115918358
+>>115913576 (OP)
+i look like this and say this
+--- 115918410
+>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFedf-rVUwk [Embed]
+if someone can listen to this and still blankly hate country they should just become an hero ASAP
+--- 115918603
+>>115918410
+Same goes for
+>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4-3TPjRoSQ [Embed]
+--- 115919003
+>>115913576 (OP)
+Literally me. Except that I add certain local genre that sounds like shit

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+--- 115913626
+None of it holds up. Production is wack. Bars is wack. Cluttered. They had like 5 good songs in a discography full of trash. All they solo shit too.
+--- 115914604
+are zoomers really this retarded
+--- 115914654
+cuban linx &amp; supreme clientele hold up pretty well.
+--- 115915591
+I think it depends. Are you talking about just wu-tang albums, or solos by people a part of wu-tang?
+--- 115915632
+>>115914604
+Nah, not even zoomers are this stupid.
+Yall bought into some stale expired bait
+--- 115915670
+>>115914654
+Cuban linx 2 does
+Cuban linx 1 beats are dry as hell. Not even the best beats from 1995.
+--- 115915770
+>>115913626 (OP)
+The Wu and Eminem are the only rapers to get a pass from me. Nas at a push
+--- 115915882
+>>115914654
+No they don't. Fat people don't make listenable music.
+--- 115915976
+>>115913626 (OP)
+That’s what I honestly think too, just keeping it to myself, because I’m afraid of spergs (possibly violent). Production on 36 chambers is truly whack, beats are bland. The best think they produced was Protect ya neck (jump off), Gravel pit and ODB’s solo piece.
+--- 115916979
+I think it depends. For videogame soundtracks (EX:Saints Row), wrestling entrances, workout playlists, or hype events in general their bangers are pretty good. I think they would be better if they made more stuff like C.R.E.A.M, 1-800-Suicide, Fast and Furious, and Cherchez La Ghost. All these have great production and tight lyricism that still sounds good to this day. Their biggest problem was bloated albums, boring overly lyrical songs with bad/unfitting production (Triumph, radiant jewels, dangerous minds), and complacency with solo albums coming out with the Wu name attached. Their a decent group, I wouldn't say G.O.A.T (just my opinion) but without a doubt significant to the culture. Their best years were (1993-2000). Y2k was the big hit or miss year and then the quality drop was just huge. Best members are easily Ghostface, Method, and RZA cause they have and continue to make good music. Their 2017 album did have some bangers though but their never gonna change the formula because it works, so this just my opinion, but again this group fire I think they peaked though.
+--- 115918695
+>>115913626 (OP)
+Check the banging sounds that I invent fake niggas who tried to flex hard came and went
+--- 115918757
+>>115913626 (OP)
+The W is actually a super underrated album, you guys should stop sleeping on that if you haven't given it a fair go. But yeah iron flag was the end of their peak, anyone trying to say rza is anything except one of the most inventive motherfuckers to ever make beats is retarded as fuck

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+--- 115913720
+>this is a 10/10 in bongland
+--- 115913744
+mike joyce mogged him tbdesu
+--- 115913748
+>>115913720 (OP)
+If he's so good looking, then why does he sleep alone at night?
+--- 115913752
+>>115913720 (OP)
+Reminder that mozzy got his circ'ed cock sucked by a 16yo when he was 21. CANCELLED
+--- 115915069
+>>115913752
+Everyone knows about the 16 year old writer he 'mentored' in the late 1980s
+(video of them getting ready to suck each other off right here: https://youtu.be/DfS3a_b5Pv4) [Embed]
+but this is news to me.
+Spill the tea, my man.
+--- 115915090
+>>115913720 (OP)
+--- 115915143
+>>115913752
+>circ'ed cock
+Proofs?
+--- 115915214
+>>115913720 (OP)
+11/10 in Bongland, cos he's not a Bong.
+He's 110% genetically Celtic, not a drop of weak-chinned Englishman in him. Show me a bong with a shovel of a jaw like that.
+Also very striking in an intellectual way, add the social status of being a lead singer/artist, the charisma, outspoken personality and the bright blue eyes and he was cleaning up after every gig.
+Nobody was trying to fuck the jug eared caveman drummer, unless it was in the hopes of getting introduced to Morrissey
+(Interestingly all 4 members of the Smiths were born in England to Irish immigrant parents. A 100% ethnically Irish band)
+--- 115915265
+>>115915214
+Was he a virgin during his 20s though? Given his autistic disposition
+--- 115915276
+>>115913720 (OP)
+Nice jawline sir morrissey
+--- 115915297
+>>115915143
+Does he even have a cock
+--- 115915327
+>>115913752
+i thought he was asexual?
+--- 115915558
+>>115915265
+He spent the entire 90s and 2000s claiming he was single. Pic rel is an interview from 2006 where he denies being in a relationship.
+But then when he published his memoirs in the 2010s, he names all the people he'd dated in the 90s/2000s, incuding an Italian guy he was dating at the time of that interview.
+(And then published a press statement after the book release denying he was gay)
+He contradicts himself often in interviews. And deflection is his thing, it keeps people out of his private life and guessing/gossiping
+--- 115915587
+>>115915327
+See >>115915558
+Man was the opposite of asexual. Just likes being an 'enigma' and keeping people guessing
+--- 115915835
+>>115913720 (OP)
+He's cute though
+--- 115916020
+>>115915214
+>>115915276
+>>115915835
+>Anglo-Saxon beauty standards
+--- 115916396
+>>115916020
+He's 100% celtic
+No inbred soulless dysgenic beady eyed bong could ever compete
+--- 115916479
+>>115915214
+>Show me a bong with a shovel of a jaw like that
+with a hideous deformed underbite?
+>A 100% ethnically Irish band
+andy rourke is only half irish
+--- 115916670
+>>115915214
+>>115916479
+I'm not sure why you keep implying that Anglos aren't larping Celts in denial, which they are (most of the time). Irish? No. Extremely close. Yes.
+--- 115916684
+>>115916670
+i didn't say anything like that
+--- 115916751
+>>115916479
+> chavvy chinlet detected
+--- 115916772
+>>115916684
+>cos he's not a Bong.
+>He's 110% genetically Celtic
+>not a drop of weak-chinned Englishman in him
+>No inbred soulless dysgenic beady eyed bong
+--- 115916792
+>>115916772
+yeah i didn't say any of that you retarded cunt. you replied to two posts that were obviously from two different people.
+--- 115916821
+>>115916772
+That was me you're quoting there, not the Jeremy Kyle reject from a council estate in Grimsby who made the other posts

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+--- 115913956
+Holy shit
+--- 115916596
+yeah
+--- 115916619
+>All women can do is bitch about their exes.
+--- 115917974
+>>115913956 (OP)
+i love her bros
+--- 115918192
+>>115913956 (OP)
+12 years later I'm still in awe of it
+--- 115918207
+>>115918192
+for me it's 12 years later and still no gf
+--- 115918241
+>>115918207
+You don't need a gf